Colonel Philip Corso and William J. Burns reveal The Day After Roswell, detailing 1947–1949 U.S. retrievals of alien craft and beings—suppressed to prevent panic while military branches clashed over control. Corso, tied to Operation Paperclip, distributed advanced tech (lasers, fiber optics, atomically aligned metals) to IBM, Bell Labs, and others under Pentagon Chief Arthur Trudeau’s 1959 R&D program, later canceled in favor of NASA’s civilian space efforts. Less than 5% of recovered tech was ever used, with Corso’s 1962 Senate testimony blocked by the CIA. Their claims suggest Cold War secrecy hid extraterrestrial breakthroughs, reshaping modern military and scientific advancements while keeping the public in the dark. [Automatically generated summary]
And William J. Burns, who co-authored The Day After Roswell with Colonel Corso, as promised, coming up shortly.
In all the years of published books about Roswell and about extraterrestrials, I would venture a guess that none has stirred the pot more heavily than the book we're going to talk about tonight and the man who wrote it, actually men who wrote it.
Colonel Philip J. Carso, retired, along with William J. Burns, has authored The Day After Roswell.
And in fact, it is the day after Roswell when things really began to happen.
Here in Roswell, to begin it all, is Linda Malton Howe.
You know, it was April 9th, 1983 that I was sitting in that office at Kirtland Air Force Base with Air Force Office of Special Investigations Agent Richard C. Doty, who was handing me a paper that he said that I could read and I could not take notes, and he made me sit in a chair in the middle of the room that I later learned was because they videotaped and audiotaped my reactions to what I was reading.
And the top of that briefing paper said, in all caps, centered, briefing paper for the President of the United States of America on the subject of identified aerial vehicles in a Peron, IACS.
And when I turned to the next page in the first paragraph of about eight or nine sentences, it listed retrievals of extraterrestrial, and that was the word that was used in that paper that I saw April 9, 1983, of extraterrestrial craft and bodies, both dead and alive, from a series of locations in the southwestern United States and the northern nation of Mexico.
And it listed a series of cities and areas, including at least two in the Roswell area in 47 and 49.
One as early as 1946, predating all of the historic discussion about 1947.
Talked about the retrieval of a craft from northern Mexico south of Laredo, Texas, over the border.
Talked about the retrieval of a crash in Kingman, Arizona, and Magdalena, which is out near the plains of St. Augustine, and all that was listed.
And the paper went into a historic insight and evolution of how that our government, in terms of confronting having these craft and these beings that they didn't understand what they were or where they came from,
had set in motion a series of insider military, medical, and scientific people to study to keep all of this information from the public and the media while they ascertained whether there was a national security threat.
One of the conversations with Richard Doty that day, April 9, 1983, he mentioned that inside of our United States government, that one of the things that had also helped keep this whole story covered up for nearly half a century was internal conflict between the intelligence agencies in the United States and military branches,
that inside of the structures of our government, we had a kind of internecine war going on between various bureaus.
And in 1947, for the very first time, the United States separated Army, Air Force into two separate branches, which added to the confusion in 1947.
Well, tonight, I am sitting with a book on my lap.
The top says, The truth exposed after 50 years.
A former Pentagon official reveals the United States government's shocking UFO cover-up the day after Roswell by Colonel Philip J. Corso retired with William J. Burns, forward by Senator Strom Carmen.
I have read this book from cover to cover, and I have found material that absolutely addresses some of the questions that I've had ever since this description of internal battles within our own intelligence forces and military, and also another area which tonight I hope that we will be able to talk about at least three areas.
One is what Philip Corso knew about our government's knowledge of a non-human intelligence and technology and what his assignment was concerning that alien technology.
His own extraordinary experiences of this internecine warfare that was going on in which he knew and took the position that the Army had to keep at all costs any of this alien technology and any related sensitive areas away from the Central Intelligence Agency because at that point coming out of World War II,
the Army, the then new Air Force, and the Navy were more concerned about possible KGB spies inside of the Central Intelligence Agency than anything else and they were afraid that if the material that they collected went into that agency that was controlling intelligence, that they would lose it forever from the American industrial military complex, having any hands-on.
It would be like going into a black hole.
And then there is a third area that has been brought up to me over the last 15 years periodically that I have not myself understood.
And it has been men who have asked me in my investigations of things like the animal mutilation mystery and others, did I have knowledge about Earth's secret war in relationship to the non-human intelligence and the position that our government had taken in relationship to it?
Until the last two or three days, and a real privilege to sit down and talk in some detail with Colonel Corso and with William Burns, I have had a lot of confusion that I think everyone else does about exactly what has been happening over the last 50 years that has kept this policy of silence and the suggestions that inside our own government there has been tremendous conflict and what is this Earth secret war about?
Tonight, I think if we start and move through these three large areas, that the Dreamland listening audience is going to find that the whole non-human intelligence area may be part of the heart of an internecine warfare,
but that this story is so big and so huge, and I'm sitting with two men that have facets about this that have answered some questions for me, and I hope by the end of these three hours, Art, that you and the audience will also realize that this book is one of the most important voices that has emerged in the last 50 years from a man who was there in 1960 to 63 in the Pentagon,
working with Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau on one of the most provocative challenges that I have ever read anywhere in my life, and that was how to get not understood artifacts retrieved from these disks into the industrial complex of the United States so that it could be hopefully used by military and industry without being swallowed up into the black hole of intelligence that would never let it out.
And now I'm going to introduce Colonel Philip J. Corso, retired, the man with a remarkable first-hand experience with this information.
And we are working in a Roswell inn where we have been, where we have one phone.
We have a sort of difficult phone system here.
And what I'm going to do is pose a question to Colonel Corso.
And then I'm going to try to help moderate around with this phone so that William Burns will be able to make his comment when he wants and questions and art.
And so you'll understand we have a phone that the three of us are going to share over some of the most important information that I've ever encountered.
And I'm going to start with an area that I think that probably Dreamland listeners would like to know something about first and then evolve into these much larger, amazing issues.
And that is to have Colonel Corso talk to us about his canned experience at Fort Riley, Kansas back in 1947 when he himself saw what is called an extraterrestrial biological entity.
And one of my primary duties was to inspect the guard to make sure they were all on duty in the right places and doing their job, not sleeping at 3 o'clock in the morning.
In fact, one of my duties on the lighter note, I had an instruction book where I made the notes and my report that I gave to the general next morning.
And one of the lighter notes was, somebody had written in there, and make sure at 1 o'clock in the morning you close the officer club up and throw all the drunks out.
That was written in by hand by somebody.
So as post-duty officer, I knew, I was told, there was sent to their area in one of the veterinarian areas.
Now, we had horses in to them.
And so about three in the morning, two or three in the morning it was, I went down, I was doing my rounds of the guards, and I stopped in this particular guard, and the master sergeant that I knew very well, I used to bowl with him at the field house, was the sergeant of the guard.
And I told him, Sergeant, how are you doing here?
Is everything quiet?
And he said, yes, sir.
He said, I told him it was pretty sensitive area tonight, so I want you to stay alert and your boy's alert.
He said, you want to see something, Colonel?
Yes, so I walked in the back room with him, and I lifted the end of the tarp up.
And here was this body floating in some sort of liquid.
And it was a good thing.
It was a small body.
I thought it was a child first, but then I looked at the head and so forth and the arms and I saw it wasn't a child.
In fact, I thought it was a small child when I first saw it.
And it sort of turned my stomach a little bit, but this was a normal reaction even in combat areas when I saw people mowed down by artillery fire.
I get the same feeling.
And usually you recover fast because you almost have to when you're in command of troops.
Sure.
And I recovered fast.
And I figured, well, I don't know what it is.
I can't evaluate it.
So like a good intelligence officer, and I was trained by the British, by the way, I put it in the back of my head, and I figured someday, someplace, maybe I'll get cooperation and be able to evaluate this for what it is.
And from then on, I forgot about it until something came out to bring it back.
And I'm just going to, for just a moment, give some background that Colonel Philip Corso was a key Army intelligence officer who served on General MacArthur's staff in Korea and later on President Dwight D. Eisenhower's National Security Council as a lieutenant colonel.
During his 21-year military career, he was honored with 19 medals, decorations, and ribbons for meritorious service.
He retired from the Army in 1963 after three extraordinary years from 1960 to 1963, working directly with Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau in the Pentagon concerning this whole issue.
Now, from 1947 to 1960, Colonel Corso had had that one experience of seeing this extraterrestrial biological entity at Fort Riley on its way to Wright-Patterson.
Now, let's jump to 1960.
And for a moment, what I'd like to do is turn the phone.
In the mid-80s, when I first heard that phrase, Earth's secret war, and what in the world was it about, I always thought that it was simply something of an inside unit in our government versus whatever the non-human intelligence was.
What I'm beginning to understand in my conversations with Colonel Corso and William Burns is that it was a very, much more complex and dicey situation in which the military was perceiving that they were having to operate as if not only did they not understand a non-human intelligence that Colonel Corso describes in his own book,
they knew that there were animal mutilations and human abductions in the late 1950s, early 1950s, late 1940s, somewhere in that period, that they felt that they had to be concerned about, but they were also concerned about their Cold War enemies and this intense suspicion of spies in the Central Intelligence Agency and other agencies.
And this sets the stage for the period of 1960 to 63.
And I'm going to read briefly from the book.
In 1961, Colonel Corso, then a lieutenant colonel, was given command of one of the Pentagon's highly classified weapons development budgets and was made privy to the United States government's greatest secret, colon, the dismantling and appropriation of the Roswell extraterrestrial spacecraft By the United States Army.
Identifying all those involved, Colonel Corso reveals how a deep cover council officially discounted all UFO reports to the American public and cleared the path for his research and development team at the Pentagon to analyze and integrate the Roswell artifacts into the military arsenal and the private business sector.
The extent of the operation is startling.
With unprecedented detail, Colonel Corsell divulges how he spearheaded the Army's reverse engineering project that seeded, and that's F-E-E-D-E-D like you would plant seed, seeded alien technology at American companies such as IBM, Hughes, Aircraft, Bell Labs, and Dow Corning without their knowledge.
He describes the devices found aboard the Roswell craft and how they were the precursors for today's integrated circuit chips, fiber optics, lasers, and super-tenacity fibers.
He also discusses the role alien technology played in shaping geopolitical policy and events, how it helped the United States surpass the Russians in space, spurred elaborate Army initiatives such as SDI, which is the Star Wars program,
Project Horizon, which we will talk about later in the program, but had to do with putting a base on the moon, Project HARP, that we have done shows on in the past, and ultimately brought about the end of the Cold War, unquote.
I'm quoting from the day after Roswell.
And now I am going to go to William J. Burns, the writer with Colonel Corso, to explain what was happening at the time that John F. Kennedy was President of the United States for a period of time before he was assassinated.
And during those three crucial years, this is William Burns' analysis of this internecine warfare and the world picture.
May I go back a little bit before we get going here and ask you how in the world Colonel Corso can now come forward or at any time can come forward and be safe?
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First of all, Colonel Corso's relationships with the United States government intelligence community within the military are rock solid.
He was an advisor to members of the Senate, an advisor to presidents, and an advisor to generals at the highest level of the military, and not just the Army, but obviously generals from other services as well, shared in the intelligence that Colonel Corso helped develop during the course of his career.
So the very people that would be the ones who would look with great disfavor upon what Colonel Corso was doing were the ones who during his tenure in office, and not just at the Pentagon, but at the Eisenhower White House,
when he was a military commander in the most sensitive area of Europe, the Southern German Command, where he had authority to use field nuclear weapons, those very officers, those very intelligence officers, were the ones that he'd been putting in their places for 20 years.
So no, they're not going to come forward now.
This is a war that he's already showed who owns the battlefield on that one.
He must have struggled greatly with this before going public.
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Yes and no.
And when the time comes, I think the Colonel himself is probably a more appropriate person to describe this, but I will tell you what he told me, and then a little later on we can hear it from the Colonel in his own words.
Basically, the Colonel belonged to a handful of officers read by from the memoirs that I read of the man himself, written by the man himself, and the Colonel's own memoirs, Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau, who was probably one of the last of the great combat officers who had a grounding in military technology.
I think it's a breed we don't have anymore.
I don't want to speak for the present leadership, but I'm just saying that when you look at things like the War of the Generals and all the generals bumping heads in the Persian Gulf, and then you see a man like Arthur Trudeau who during the Korean War, his men were trapped on Pork Chop Hill and the orders came to abandon the men.
Arthur Trudeau said, hell no, took off his general's helmet, put on a sergeant's helmet and said, who's coming up with me?
Ran up the hill, took the man, brought him back down, put on his general's helmet, and that was it.
This is a man who fought the CIA, who was blasted by people like Dulles, and who came out on top every single time and who read Army intelligence and who completely reorganized the Army R ⁇ D inside the Pentagon, completely reorganized it to make what this book is about possible.
So this man and the colonel were friends well after both men retired.
General Trudeau went on to be a consultant to industry, had his own industrial consulting firm, worked, I think, for Gulf Oil in Pennsylvania.
He was a good friend of the Colonel's for many, many years afterwards.
The two men had an oath.
The oath was very simple.
We would maintain our silence while we're both alive.
When the general was sick, called the Colonel aside, the two men, two old soldiers, you have to imagine this scene, and said, I'm going to release you from your oath of silence.
You can tell this story.
And that was what it is.
There was no national security oath, no great overriding concern of national security.
This is what two men did inside the Army.
So this wasn't as though this was a great military strategy or a great defense strategy.
This operated within the Army with a handful of officers.
Now, to get to Linda's point of this war, I can fully understand that the military would not necessarily want the CIA or other intelligence agencies getting hold of this information because over the years, we've seen, I don't know how many spies caught moles that have been passing information, were passing information, went to jail for it, to the then Soviet Union.
So there's no question about that.
I can understand why they would want to keep it out of the hands of the military.
Is that accurate?
Or of the intelligence community?
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That's accurate, Art.
It is the very, very tip of the iceberg.
It is only a micro sliver, a membrane sliver of what the real story is, which is much more frightening, much more horrifying.
And when you realize how close this country came to nuclear war on a number of occasions because of bad intelligence, mistakes, and false assumptions, you realize how close to the edge we came.
The real story starts even before the end of World War II with the OSS running around Europe and with the penetration of the OSS even at that time.
And this is not from Colonel Corsau's own words.
These are from words of CIA people themselves by NKVD units and Russian playbacks into our own intelligence services.
This was not the military intelligence.
This was the civilian intelligence services.
And I want to draw that distinction very early in.
Military intelligence, Army G2, was separate and distinct from the civilian intelligence services, such as the OSS.
Okay, now, so we knew, the Army knew, that even at the end of World War II, that the Germans had fallen into possession of some kind of extraterrestrial technology.
The burst of strange German technology toward the end of the war was frightening.
We knew that.
We knew that from the scientists that we had retrieved from Germany.
Colonel Korzel happened to be one of the military officers who helped run Operation Paperclip when he was the area commander of Rome from 1944 to 1947, fighting off the rear guard Nazi Gestapo SS units and the Russian NKVD units posing as communist partisans.
What were they after?
It certainly wasn't Rome, though it was Mussolini's gold.
What it was were whatever German secrets were available in Italy and Switzerland and the whole area at that time.
And remember, there was another person coming into the scene working for the LSF at that time, Mohl Berg, who also went through looking for whatever atomic secrets he could.
Again, all documented, no big military secrets here.
The secret is that Phil Corso was one of the people involved in the military end of paperclip.
The German scientists told the Army, told Corso, told Trudeau, told other people in the military, that the Germans had been in possession of extraterrestrial secrets.
So the military intelligence end, as well as the OSS, as well as the Russians, as well as the British, knew that the Germans had stumbled upon a stockpile of some phenomenal technology.
This is setting the stage for what happened in before 19 Roswell crash in 1947 with the split between the military and the civilian intelligence services when the National Security Act was passed under Tumen,
creating, in effect, the first fully functional full-time civilian intelligence service which operated under a black budget under the National Security Act, separate and distinct from direct and explicit congressional oversight.
The Army, the Navy, eventually the Air Force had intelligence services that were operated under congressional oversight and military oversight.
They operated in plain view, but this new service was totally secret.
It was a secret government.
What the Frew administration did not know was that prior to this creation of the superintelligence agency, its own command structure had been infiltrated by communist sympathizers.
And I'm not saying this like some right-wing fanatic from the 1950s.
I'm saying this as a matter of history because the CIA officers themselves said this, had been infiltrated by communist sympathizers and in many instances, NKVD Moz himself.
We created an intelligence service separate from congressional oversight, almost immune, operating with impunity that had already been compromised and nobody knew it except the military.
Ms. Burns, was there an operational name for this organization?
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Well, originally, the organization was the Central Intelligence Group, the CIG, run by Admiral Roscoe Herrincutter.
Remember his name, because where does Herrin Cutter turn up after the Roswell crash?
It was the Central Intelligence Group, which eventually became, eventually, the CIA.
Which people now has Colonel Corso was serving his time as a range officer, commanding a missile battalion in White Sands, then going to the most sensitive area of Germany, then serving as Inspector General.
Till the end of the Eisenhower administration, there was a restructuring going on.
General Trudeau had reorganized the entire Army R ⁇ D after he left G2, and this began in 1959.
Yes, I'm sorry, Olinda correctly suggests that G2 is Army intelligence.
And Lieutenant General Trudeau was the commander of intelligence.
He reorganized R ⁇ D. Remember, he was an engineer.
And so he reorganized Army R ⁇ D when he took over in 1959.
The colonel who's a scholar on Army R ⁇ D, on the history of this, will tell you that originally Army R ⁇ D had a minor function under logistics.
Even General Twining himself, again a name we remember from the Roswell crash, had suggested that the study of UFOs, and this is his words, not mine, the study of flying saucers, the analysis of what it is, be given to foreign technology under R ⁇ D.
This is what Twining himself said all the way back in the late, after 1947 and in the early 50s.
But on the R ⁇ D, military R ⁇ D wasn't up to snuff.
Not until General Trudeau reorganized it in 69.
He had requested when 59, Colonel Corset, correct me, when the Colonel came back to the United States after his tool of duty in Germany, General Trudeau requested that in 1961 he report to the Pentagon.
This is shortly after the inauguration of John F. Kennedy.
He report to the Pentagon to take over.
The situation was, however, that by the time the Colonel arrived at the Pentagon, it had become even more urgent.
The army was sitting on material that had been basically housed in the Pentagon in some way, shape, or form for 14 years.
That would have been prior to our acquisition of any of that.
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Correct.
Herman Oberth, who was on Colonel Corsau's, this was his ad hoc brain trust inside R ⁇ D, told the Colonel directly that the Germans had that technology.
It was Herman Oberth who was referenced in the very important Kehoe books as having knowledge of researching where the source of this non-human intelligence might be.
It was Herman Oberth who was talking to Kehoe right from that whole period of time that Kehoe wrote about.
And if everybody would go back and read Kehoe books, they would begin to see that the pattern of what Colonel Corso and William Burns are describing right now is laid out in another direction.
I'll tell you just one brief thing and then I'll turn it over to Burns again that I was told by people during that 83-84 time period when I was working on that HBO project and after that meeting with Dodie at Kirtland that the story went back to 1937 that the Germans had retrieved either a craft or portions of a craft with technology that our government was extremely concerned about.
But proving exactly what was retrieved by the Germans and under what conditions, I do not know the details.
And I'm going to turn it back to Mr. Burns to make a comment, and then we'll go to the Colonel.
The Army knows the Germans have utilized alien technology.
The Army retrieved alien technology from the crash with Roswell in 1947.
Nothing at all was done with it.
Maybe there was some furtive attempts from the original storehouse at Wright Field to try to farm it into industry to analyze this, but nothing formal, no plan, no strategy.
Something else was happening in the late 1950s as well and the early 1960s during this period.
It was that the FBI had been receiving strange reports of abductions.
Now, when you look at this logically from a law enforcement perspective, where would reports of abductions normally go?
I mean, you certainly wouldn't go running around to too many psychiatrists.
People would think you're crazy.
But people who reported being taken from their homes called the police.
Well, that's a federal crime.
So the police would turn it over to the FBI.
So the FBI, and this spooked the hell out of Jared Behoover, the FBI begins compiling reports in an organized way on abductions.
All right, before we go to Colonel Corso to describe exactly what these physical artifacts were in these file cabinets in General Trudeau's offices that Colonel Corso was then given the assignment by the general to try to get into the military-industrial complex research and development projects,
I would like William Burns to just go into the details of the relationship a little bit more between the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and the Central Intelligence Agency when John F. Kennedy became president in 1960.
And a few months later is when Philip Forso was in the Pentagon talking with General Trudeau about what they had to do in one of the most incredible situations of this internecine warfare within our own government.
And here is William Burns to help explain this.
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So the stage is set now that it's 1960, and you've got this split between the civilian intelligence services, basically the CIA, which had been penetrated by the KGB and was Really pumping out through false estimates of intelligence a Communist Party line, a Soviet line.
You have the military which knows about this, and you have some senators and government people in the know, and some not in the know.
At this point, you've got reports of these strange abductions reaching the FBI.
Hoover absolutely does not trust the CIA, and in fact, you may know, many of the listeners may know that as early as the late 1940s, there was a shooting war going on between the CIA and the FBI over spying and over the running of drugs right after the end of the war.
So there was no lead loss between these agencies.
At the same time, at the very same time, these strange reports of cattle and animal mutilations began reaching the local sheriff's departments because they're not doing these things in the middle of New York City.
Where are they?
They're out in the west.
They're on farmland.
They're on cattle ranches.
Sheriffs get these reports.
What do they do?
They begin compiling them, turning them over to the state departments of public safety in places like Texas, Colorado, Wyoming.
Eventually, they reach the FBI.
What is the FBI supposed to do?
Well, when they go to the CIA for help, it's like throwing something into a bottomless pit.
Nothing comes out, and the agencies aren't talking to each other anyway.
But the Army begins compiling these reports because where else can the FBI go?
It is now the spring of 19, it is now just after January of 1961.
There was a full-scale war going on inside the Biltway between the civilian intelligence, i.e.
the CIA, and the military intelligence.
The three military services, Army, Navy, Air Force, all have their own separate R ⁇ D divisions.
Trudeau effectively organizes the Army into the most powerful R ⁇ D division that exists.
And this, in the midst of this warfare, is where Colonel Corso comes to begin his stint as the Director of Foreign Technology, the very same division named by Nathan Twining a decade earlier to be the repository of the alien artifacts.
Phew.
JFK and RFK have just taken office.
A completely new administration.
They are not well liked by the intelligence community.
They are not well liked because they are obviously very fraternal.
And remember, they come to power.
This administration comes to power under a cloud of suspicion to begin with because of the whole Cook County vote and what happened in the final hours of the electoral count to get them into office in the first place.
Lyndon Johnson, as you know, also made many, many political deals to gain favor in the Senate and to reach power.
And the Johnson family became very, very powerful in Texas, strong ties to the FBI.
So this is an administration which comes in under a real cloud of suspicion.
And now from Colonel Corso, I presume, we should ask what he found in these General Trudeau's cabinets.
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Okay, well, before we even get to that, remember the first thing that RFK and that JFK and RFK are faced with when they reach office is they are dealing with the information coming to support the Bay of Pigs.
So they immediately run afoul of the CIA in the very early days of the administration because they pull back from the Bay of Pigs, infuriate the emigrate Cuban community in the United States, but also infuriate the whole civilian intelligence apparatus.
And when he removes Alan Bellis from the CIA, a long time political hand, in government, he also further angers the CIA, and the war is now exacerbated, and that's what happens, Colonel Corporal.
And later on, he used to joke a lot, and he'd come into my office, and he'd say, where's Corzo's junk file or his nut file?
Because the items actually were on my desk, and they looked like I picked them out of a wastebasket or something.
And he used to kid about that, but then he'd also get serious and say, Bill, they could change our lives, change the world.
In one particular case, I didn't talk to the general.
I had the integrated circuit chips by like a quarter.
And I mentioned to him, I told him, general, what happens, what's going to happen in the future if this chip, which was one of our most important thing we had, I'd say number one just about, ever integrates with the human brain.
And he looked, he said, yes, Phil, that's a great danger.
But let's hope that people come after us will understand.
He said, but I doubt if that happened in our lifetime.
Well, he died, and I'm still here, and it did.
and they're working on that now.
Now, in addition to that, when I started to go through the file, I found the first thing I had was a piece of metal about the size of a postcard and paper thin.
But the atoms were aligned in it.
And this came from Livermore Lab, which is one of the laboratories we financed up into my team.
And he called me in, and he said, I'm making you head of a team.
You will get in Army engineers and even the German scientists.
And I did assign two to my team.
And they worked with me.
So the job was to go around industry, the first of them, and see who was working on such items.
This particular one I'm talking about is alignment with atoms.
So one day when we went to one of these industries, they had a long thing, tunnel-like thing.
And at the end of the day, right after supper, I motioned one of the German engineers, German scientists.
I told him, Hans, take a walk with me.
So I went to walk and I told him, what do you think?
He said, Colonel, if I believe everything I've heard today, I have to unlearn everything I've ever learned.
So I told him, Hans, you might have to.
He just stopped.
He said, I'll remember what you said.
So from then on, and General Trudeau, when he assigned me as head of that team, made the statement, this could be bigger than Los Alamos, because it could make spaceships light as a feather, can be penetrated by radiation, cosmic action.
He said, any scientists are working on it, write me a plan of action on how we're going to do all this.
So I finally come up with my plan and gave it to him.
He located that we would find scientists and people who are working in that area, a particular area, and we would infuse in there normal research and development proposals.
Not the item itself, but proposals describing it.
These are supposed to be normal R ⁇ D think tank type operations.
In other words, you would come up with a proposal that would suggest, for example, what about the concept of developing an integrated circuit, an IC circuit.
For example, General Trudeau told me one day, getting back to the integrated circuit, he said, Phil, the transistor the way it is today and the integrated circuit took us five years to develop.
It should have taken 250 years.
Now, those were the exact words to me.
Now, Von Newman's project, maybe one of the reasons I did look confused and we couldn't do it, was really the supercomputer had not come in existence then.
It did come in existence to late years.
So we weren't even, and maybe I had some intuition not to fund this and started because we really were not in permission to exploit this and develop it.
Supercomputers had not been developed at that stage.
But they were working on it.
Then I'll tell you another interesting little story.
I had what we called a super tenasty fiber.
It looked like string.
But you couldn't burn it, you couldn't cut it with a razor blade.
And we found out that the atom structure was aligned in them.
It's me, Art, and I couldn't agree with your words more.
He is truly an American hero, along with General Trudeau and many others at that period of time when it was so difficult to know exactly what to do with all the complexities we're talking about tonight.
And before the Colonel continues with his fascinating story about the government's, his R ⁇ D interest in the spider web, I wanted to quote from his book.
And this had to do with the autopsies on the creatures that were retrieved from some crash somewhere in New Mexico.
The medical report revealed that the creatures were enclosed within a one-piece protective covering like a jumpsuit or outer skin in which the atoms were aligned so as to provide a great tensile strength and flexibility.
One examiner wrote that it reminded him of a spider's web, which appears very fragile but is in fact very strong.
And how much of fiction is actually copying nonfiction because of leaks, we'll probably never know, but you're right.
You're making a very good point.
Well, the unique qualities of a spider web result from the alignment of fibers that provide great tenacity because they're able to stretch under great pressure, yet display a resiliency that allows them to snap back into shape even after the shock of an impact.
Similarly, the creature's spacesuit or outer skin appeared to be stretched around it as if it were literally spun over the creature and seized up around it, providing a perfect skin-tight protective fit.
The doctors had never seen anything like it before.
Unquote.
And now here is Colonel Corso to continue this exploration of spider web tenest.
Just one of the other units or pieces in this amazing file cabinet that Colonel Corsell had, in the book, he raises this.
He said, why did the inhabitants of the craft have a cutting device that when they had it, they could see that there was some kind of a red dot coming out of a black piece that they had, one of these file cabinet technologies they did not understand.
And they didn't know what it was.
And finally, one time that they saw some smoke in the room and suddenly they could see this red beam of light.
And of course, what I'm describing is what we now know as a laser.
They didn't know.
And he said, why did the inhabitants of this craft have a cutting device like this aboard their ship?
It wasn't until later, when I read military reports of cattle mutilations in which entire organs were removed without any visible trauma to the surrounding cell tissue that I realized that the light beam cutting torch I thought was in the Roswell file was actually a surgical implement, just like a scalpel that was being used by the aliens in medical experiments on our livestock.
⁇ I would like now to turn the phone back to Colonel Corso to describe his first handling of this device.
And later on, well, it was mine, too, and I was in charge.
But later on, like the other little instrument I had, which I think measured the intensity of brain waves on different organs of the body, that particular thing, I thought the battery was dead in that also.
And I took it to a lab down at Belvar.
And lo and behold, when it, some radiation area, I went in, the thing came on.
Well, my primary job was Special Assistant Chief R ⁇ D, for example, budgets.
And I was the first officer, the first project officer on the anti-missile missile.
Trudeau assigned that to me, the importance of it, because the brain from the extraterrestrial could be, it had four lobes that could integrate back and forth electromagnetically.
And we did similar work at our ICBMs, our International Common Manalistos.
So we did that, and we used these items on that.
We went along that line.
And then, I'll jump ahead a little bit.
We had what we call, well, a laser developed, and we had to be very careful with that weapon we developed, which earlier got into Star Wars.
Actually, the weapon, DU Weapon, could go 300,000 kilometers a second, and the airplane traveled in the speed of sound.
There was no lead time.
I think they calculated they would travel one millimeter before the ray hit it.
It was a similar to, it was, it came from the laser family.
Let's put it this way.
I have the pamphlets.
The pamphlets I have at the Army send me, non-classified, I have them with me.
They're all dated 1961, 62, and 63.
And then also there was another thing, which I tell you happened.
This is an interesting little story.
I have a pamphlet written by General Britton, head of Army Material Command, in 1963.
On the front page, there's a photograph of a cart we built, three-wheeled cart.
This three-wheeled cart, we took the integrated circuit in it, and instead of putting electricity in it, we put water in them.
The cart ran on water.
And when I told Senator Glenn this, he got so interested I had to give him the photograph and told him, Senator, it was right up here at Harry Diamond Lab in north part of Washington, Adelphia.
Maybe you can call him and go up and see if it was still there.
In fact, that particular meeting I had to senator Glenn, there was an interesting comment that comes out of that.
I asked the senator, and I think he'll verify because I had the appointment for half an hour, and he'd spend an hour and a half with me, and he had people waiting.
I mentioned flying saucers to him, and he slows my, he said, you know, Colonel, I'm an agnostic.
I told him, the senator, you didn't say you don't believe, and he laughed.
And then for the first time, I sent to the Army, Army Historical Branch Engineers, and I told them where it was and what it was.
And if they'd look it up, they'd send me a copy.
This was Project Horizon, the military colony on the moon, which we did in 1959.
But what you're suggesting, Colonel, is that we had spacecraft and the ability to colonize the moon, which you're saying we did, and at the same time we were developing a space program that, as compared to it, was like a monetary to a modern.
And lately, a friend of mine, a scientist, met with Atlanta, with NASA's top people, and he threw Project Horizon the 310 pages on the table, and they were flabbergasted after all these years.
It was dead in the files until I pulled.
In fact, if you look in the appendix of the book, in the front page of Horizon, you'll see right on top where it's secret and it's crossed off.
The secret is crossed off because I declassify that for the general.
And this is the first appearance it makes in public.
The electromagnetic, the direct energy weapon he mentioned, in my mind, might translate to an electromagnetic pulsing weapon.
And as you know, in STS-48 and 80, we see things occurring that look very much like an electromagnetic pulsing weapon.
Point one.
Point two, I'm finding it very hard to understand how a project that colonized the moon prior to our, or as our space program was just getting off the ground, could have possibly been dropped even with budget wars going on or using that technology to have done all that and then just dropped the project.
Yes, and I'm going to, in just a few minutes, I'm going to transfer this back to Mr. Burns to explain that art, but I want you to hear excerpts from the actual, now unclassified, by Colonel Corso.
Chief of Research and Development in the Pentagon.
I envision expedition development of the proposal to establish a lunar outpost to be of critical importance to the United States Army of the future.
This evaluation is apparently shared by the Chief of Staff in view of his expeditious approval and enthusiastic endorsement of initiation of the study, which said there is a requirement for a manned military outpost on the moon.
The lunar outpost is required to develop and protect potential United States interests on the moon, to develop techniques in moon-based surveillance of the Earth and space in communications, relay, and in operations on the surface of the moon, to serve as a base for exploration of the moon, for further exploration into space, and for military operations on the moon if required, and to support scientific investigations on the moon.
Yeah, General Trudeau wanted this done, and this was all drawn up as a plan, and it was going forward like an extension of General Trudeau's getting these artifacts.
Yes, and during this break art, I learned from the Colonel that tomorrow he will be at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque signing his books on that military base.
Linda, I want to read this to you and just see if it resonates.
From Sean in Yucca Valley, I've heard from several people who work in high technology that the carrying capacity of fiber optics is so great that get this, no future replacement for it is even being considered.
Do you know if it's true?
If it's the case, have you ever heard of another terrestrial derived technology so robust that further development is deemed unnecessary?
Well, I'm going to have the colonel try to address that after we had decided that what we would do next because this is so important and so many people want to know about the big black eyes and everybody has probably listening to this radio program has seen the controversial Centilli film in which these beings, a surgeon, lifts off a thin black lens off of both eyes and they go somewhere.
I'm going to read to you briefly from Colonel Corso's own words.
I was most interested in the file descriptions accompanying a two-piece set of dark elliptical eyepieces as thin as skin, and these are part of this file drawer kind of stuff.
The Walter Reed pathologist said they adhered to the lenses of the extraterrestrial creatures' eyes and seemed to reflect existing light.
And the Walter Reed pathologists are the ones who did some of the initial autopsies on beings retrieved from New Mexico, even in what looked like complete darkness, so as to illuminate and intensify images in the darkness to allow their wearer to pick out shapes.
The reports had said that the pathologist at Walter Reed Hospital, who autopsied one of the teachers, tried himself to peer through them in the darkness to watch the one or two Army sentries and medical orderlies walking down a corridor adjacent to the pathology lab.
These figures were illuminated in a greenish-orange, depending upon how they moved, but the pathologist could see only their outer shape.
And when they got close to each other, their shapes blended into a single form.
But they could also see the outlines of furniture and the wall and objects on desktops.
Colonel Corso now speaking, maybe, I thought, read this report, soldiers could wear a visor that intensified images through the reflection and amplification of available light and navigate in the darkness of a battlefield with as much confidence as if they were walking their sentry posts in broad daylight.
But these eyepieces didn't turn night into day.
They only highlighted the exterior shapes of things.
I'm now going to ask the Colonel if he has any further explanation about just the outlining and then to go on further with this whole issue: is fiber optics so advanced that there's nothing else that we know beyond?
Now, to tell you a little story right at the end of what she just read you, General Trudeau called me one day and said, Phil, here's an envelope.
It's a budget of the Night Jewing Laboratory.
Now, you go down with your inspection team.
And I took German scientists and engineers and see how they're doing, how they're progressing.
If you're happy, give them the budget.
So I went to Fort Belvar, and the colonel received this, told me at the exit interview, he said, we were a little eerie when we heard you were coming down.
I told him, is my reputation that bad or am I a hatchet man?
And I told him, well, in this case, it might be a little different.
I told him, you're doing a good job.
And you notice my German friend over there, he never smiles, but he smiled, so he liked what he saw.
So for a change, I think I'll play Santa Claus.
I told him, here's your, take this envelope.
It's yours.
The decision is left to me to give it to you or not.
You're doing a good job.
He opened it up.
There's a $60 million budget.
And I told him this.
I said, now, there's a little hitch to that.
You don't get that free.
The war is heating up in Vietnam.
Give us a night viewing device in three to six months.
They did.
So that's the little story about the night viewing device.
And Linda read you.
And now also, to go back beyond this, the Germans had an infrared, which was very good.
And we took that.
We also did infuse that.
And I had a great advantage.
Not only did I have the German documents, but I had German scientists who could read it and explain it to me.
After the war, sir, it is my understanding that there was a general division of German scientists between the United States and Russia.
Is it, do you have knowledge that the Russians got any German scientists who were privy to the same technology that the Germans had even prior to the war?
And we had the other Germans, including the two I had on my team, Rehamant.
Now, they claimed that they knew about a lot of these things, but didn't know enough to put them in production.
In fact, later in the war, they were working on things.
They were forced to work on things like this.
But I began to believe, and from what they said in my interrogation and the year I spent with them, that the same thing happened over there that happened here.
There were groups of combat officers, like we had an affinity between us.
There was no paper trail.
We trust each other just from head to head.
And nothing ever got out because these men were not, you couldn't get these men to talk or say anything.
And we didn't like the elite in our government because we didn't trust them.
And I understand in Germany, there was a similar thing.
The scientists did not like the Nazis.
And I understand that possibly there was the same thing in Russia.
If you read the middle photograph in my book, it shows a picture of General Trudeau and myself standing by the flag.
On my right, I think, is Edward O'Connor.
He was one of Truman's poker plane buddies and the expert at the White House on Soviet, at Donetsk, with the same division I was in.
On the other hand is Victor Fidai, Library of Congress.
Librarian, he's one of the top men.
And then he went to Foreign Relations Committee.
He's a great friend of mine, fluent in Russian.
So Victor was going to Russia.
And I told him, Victor, I'm going to give you some quint to ask.
Would you ask your KGB general him these questions?
Well, that would indicate then they had a similar thing.
You betcha.
All right.
Colonel, I can't let this interview end without asking you, at the end of your first interview, the exclusive interview you did with Dateline, you made a comment about a time machine.
And they seemed to use that comment of yours as a way to almost try and discredit, you know, the commentators who rolled his eyes, to sort of discredit everything else you had said.
In the book, there's a part in there where I discussed this with Professor Obert.
We discussed time travel.
But it was a discussion in those days about the possibility of time travel.
And even the British were working on this.
I had some documents and things I looked at, but they weren't.
And then if you go back to the Philadelphia experiment, there were some ramifications in there which something disappeared and moved in space.
And even Einstein's theories talk about zero travel time and his theories.
And that was very unfortunate.
When I at the White House, I didn't go up and see Einstein.
I should have.
I missed out on talking to the greatest mind that Ever lived.
And then I also discussed this with Wilbert Smith, the Canadian genius, who was treated very badly by his government.
And he brought us also a piece of metal.
So as far as that, these factors that I just said enter into this.
But the main item was that I did discuss this with Herman Obert, and Obert thought himself, now not me, because I didn't know that much about it, his opinion was that it is possible.
So then the reference to time travel was, it's something I'll tell you about, and you would have said what you just now said, not that you saw or traveled in time or saw time machine or anything like it.
Because I testified before the MIA committees, and I stood in front of Senator Curry and Senator McMaine and others, and I told them, now the interview that I did, when I talked to President Eisenhower on the prisoner issue, we agreed to cover the intelligence aspect on the spies that they were feeding back, taking our boy's identity, and then getting the Russian to adopt that identity and send him back here to the States as a spy.
We agreed that, but President Eisenhower never told me to cover the prisoners going to Russia.
In fact, he gave me permission to put out the numbers, which I did in Associated Press and speeches I wrote for Lodge at the United Nations.
Yet the newspapers took the sensational thing that Eisenhower hid the prisoner going to Russia from the families.
Colonel, earlier, I asked your co-author, Ms. Burns, Bill Burns, what kind of agony and thought process you went through before you came forward with all of this incredible information.
General Trudeau told me one day, Phil, you and I go from one development to the other, and we take it as a matter of course in our daily work, and we think nothing of it.
Yes, some of these things are earth-shaking.
These were General Trudeau's words.
We had to learn to live with that type of thinking.
And it was the same as almost like thinking in combat.
You have to live with it.
I tell people, I can tell you what it was like, but I can't tell you how it felt.
How much of the material, kernel, that was in those file cabinets was developed into products we use today percentage-wise versus how much we couldn't, was in there that we simply couldn't do anything with?
A retired colonel, Philip J. Corso, who was in the right place, definitely the right place at the right time, is telling us that the majority of the advanced technology that we have today didn't come from us.
And art, I am looking at page 115 in the book, The Day After Roswell, and it says, among the Roswell artifacts and the questions and issues that arose from the Roswell crash on my preliminary, and I'm quoting Colonel Corso, list, that needed resolution for development, scheduling, or simple inquiries to our military scientific community were image intensifiers, which ultimately became night vision, fiber optics, which were fed into the phone system, and a whole lot of other things.
Super tenacity fibers that we have just discussed that were related somewhat to the way spider webs are so strong.
Lasers, molecular alignment metallic alloys, integrated circuits and micro-miniaturization of logic boards, Project Horizon, which we're going to talk a little bit more about here in a minute, portable atomic generators,
which ion propulsion drive, irradiated food, particle beams, and he puts in here parenthesis, Star Wars, anti-missile energy weapons, electromagnetic propulsion systems, and depleted uranium projectiles.
This is in a section of the book about some of the R ⁇ D development projects that he and General Trudeau were initiating and that have evolved to today.
And there's one more thing before we go forward in time.
We've been trying to understand the bismuth magnesium layered material that may have come from the bottom of a delta-shaped craft.
Other people are trying to understand what other kind of pieces and particles they may have.
I thought one of the most extraordinary paragraphs in this book reads, the initial revelations into the nature of the spacecraft and its pilot interface, and he specifies there were hand-imprinted panels exactly as we have seen in the debris footage in the controversial Sintilli videotape.
It came very quickly during the first few years of testing at Norton Air Force Base in California.
The Air Force discovered that the entire vehicle functioned just like a giant capacitor.
In other words, the craft itself stored the energy necessary to propagate the magnetic wave that elevated it, allowed it to achieve escape velocity from the Earth's gravity, and enabled it to achieve speeds of over 7,000 miles an hour.
The pilots weren't affected by the tremendous g-forces that build up in the acceleration of conventional aircraft because to aliens inside, it was as if gravity was being folded around the outside of the wave that enveloped the craft.
And Colonel Corsa says, somehow the pilots became part of the electrical storage and generation of the craft itself.
They didn't just pilot or navigate the vehicle.
They became part of the electrical circuitry of the vehicle, vectoring it in a way similar to the way you order a voluntary muscle to move.
The vehicle was simply an extension of their own bodies because it was tied into their neurological systems in ways that even today we are just beginning to utilize.
And the thing that they discovered in those tight-fitting suits is that the molecules of the fibers themselves were all oriented in the same way.
And he speculated that when this whole craft system, the hands are in the panels, the craft is moving, it is lifted in a magnetic wave, and that those fibers all oriented helped make the entire system generate as a whole system without affecting these pilots.
Well, Linda, we are working on exactly that technology.
Rudimentary stages, albeit, but I've seen a number of specials on television about pilots literally thinking, not having to push buttons and pull levers and sticks and so forth and so on, but literally thinking commands.
And from Colonel Corso tonight, I hope everybody listening realizes that over the last 50 years, some of our major technological breakthroughs started in file cabinets in the Pentagon after they had been transferred from crash sites in the southwest of the United States through Wright-Patterson into areas of the Pentagon and other parts, probably Dreamland, Area 51 in Nevada and other places.
And that today we are listening to a voice of a man who was there, who knows that this is the real thing.
And what I'm intrigued also by is that General Trudeau, who, when you begin to read some of the history about his life and his intellect, was an extraordinary man, a man who had an electrical engineering degree, who was perfect for understanding and relating to Colonel Corso.
But they knew the implications and how important it was to get it out into our country and not in the hands of enemies.
And further, because there were animal mutilations, because there were human abductions, and they had been monitoring since the end of the 50s, they felt it was so important to get a base on our own moon to monitor what we'll call extraterrestrial biological entity traffic coming in and out of our Earth and what might be on the moon, and that General Trudeau's Project Horizon was his answer to getting this done.
And suddenly from left field comes a closed down.
And I'd like to go to William Burns now to try to help us understand what happened to close down this brilliant general and this brave colonel trying to get all of this going forward so that the earth would not be so vulnerable.
And obviously, nobody is going to say to General Trudeau, to the Army R ⁇ D, well, look, fellas, I think you're too close to getting a beat on these ETs, so we've got to shut you down because we're making a deal with them for the planet Earth.
That's not what happened on the surface.
I have my doubts about what's happening underneath.
In reality, what was being said, the pretext, everything happens with a pretext.
The pretext was very clear.
You've got three military services fighting for one military budget.
How do you carve up the military pie?
You've heard this a million times.
Other defense secretaries.
How do you carve the pie up?
Well, if the Army is building rockets, if the Navy is building rockets, if the Air Force is building rockets, you have three rockets, three development streams, three R ⁇ Ds, three of this, three of this.
No.
Combine it into one.
You boys in the military can't stop fighting with each other.
So I'll tell you what we're going to do.
We're going to make a civilian agency that will be responsible to the Defense Department for funneling military missions into a civilian-organized program.
And on the surface, that's good, old-fashioned Americana.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
However, there was a much deeper and more sinister aspect to this.
One, it wasn't all that clean to begin with.
Because who was part and parcel of the management of this?
It was the civilian intelligence government.
It was the civilian intelligence agencies.
This was being run in part out of the CIA.
Well, how do we know this?
Bill, do you have any tangible proof?
Tell me one thing that you can show that the CIA was somehow involved in NASA to the point where it was utilizing NASA for its own purposes.
Well, I'll give you one tangible thing.
Please.
Project Corona.
Remember, as the Colonel himself said on primetime, you had American surveillance overflights of the Soviet Union.
You had them to the point while we were developing a redundant system, which was satellite surveillance.
But we had no military satellites at that point.
We're talking the late 50s.
Where did we have?
NASA sending monkeys into space, and it looked really cute on the Movie Tone News.
What the Movie Tone News didn't show you was that the CIA went to Lockheed Skunk Works and said to Skunk Works, they're starting to get a bead on our surveillance overflights.
The Colonel himself said that one of the main reasons for U-2 flights was to draw the Soviet surface-to-air missile fire to see when the missiles went hot, when the radar went hot, and could they shoot down our planes?
We sacrificed a lot of pilots, those are his words, on primetime just a couple years ago.
And this was documented.
Again, people said, oh, who is this guy saying this?
Who is this guy, Corso?
They found in the National Archives that everything that Corso was saying was documented in black and white.
And it's at the Eisenhower Library even today.
So there you are.
You've got a civilian space agency which has superseded the military space missions.
But who's running it?
The CIA is putting camera satellites in a civilian mission, taking photos of the Soviet Union and showing they could do it.
So we know the CIA was involved in NASA even from the very beginnings.
NASA was a way for the CIA to get control of the space program.
So the pretext was budget, the pretext was competition.
But what happened when we had a NASA?
Through a budget that had no congressional oversight, you had Project Corona taking pictures of the Soviet Union.
It was very laudable, but of course who was analyzing those photos?
It wasn't the Army, wasn't the Navy, wasn't the Air Force.
It was the CIA which then gave back false estimates.
But the point is that it was a pretext.
The civilian space agency was a pretext for the real advances that the military had already made in space missions.
By the time we were monkeying, no pun intended, with Project Corona in 1959 on the drawing boards was a full-blown, capable of being funded with its own separate command structure, a military outpost on the moon.
But it was a military outpost on the moon that wasn't just looking down on planet Earth, but out into orbital space because we were not just monitoring Soviets, we were monitoring extraterrestrial traffic.
And that's what the CIA was trying to keep from the American people.
And you know, Art, at this point, one of the most germane questions is did President Kennedy realize these facts that he just outlined, and could that have been part of the reason for that extremely famous quote about, I want to take the CIA and tear it into a thousand pieces and cast it to the wind?
I went up there and he said, I want you to testify.
I told him, no, I'm not going to testify.
And you put it in the archives and the guy that's dusted for what reason should I?
And he leaned over.
He's a big, gruff man, a sowine.
And he said, Colonel, I'll subpoena you.
And I looked back.
I said, go ahead, subpoena me.
I get 100 subpoenas.
You can't make me talk if I don't want to.
So he started to laugh.
Laugh?
And I thought, what's going on?
And from then on, till the gentleman died, we were great friends.
So he looked at me and he said, some men like you always want something.
What do you want?
I thought, well, that's simple what I want.
I'll testify if you can promise me that you'll put it in the hands of the Kennedy brothers, president and attorney general.
Come up tomorrow.
I came up the next day.
I went to meet Senator Eastland, chairman of the judiciary.
Senator Eastland told me, he said, Colonel, I promise you I'll put it in their hands myself, utterly.
Don't senator, call your committee.
I'm ready to testify.
And Dirksen presided.
Keating was there.
McClellan, all these powerful senators were there to hear this.
I testified for two days.
Even in front of the House committee lately, I testified on the missing prisoners a word came up.
They won't release it.
It's still top secret because it names the names in CIA.
And I told them I went to get the client, I wanted my testimony, and they told me they couldn't give it to me because they had to protect the source.
And then the audience, I said, wait a minute, I'm the source.
I don't want to be protected.
And the audience said, I had to clap and the newspaper men even.
But this is what was going on.
So to get back to the real story, though, then, about two weeks later, I get a call to the Pentagon and say, the Attorney General wants to see you.
So I go, I crossed the bridge, went over, and I went in Attorney General Robert Kennedy's office.
And he had my testimony, two volumes, right on his desk in front of him.
So the first thing I said when I sat down, I told him, I said, Attorney General, if you and your brother think you make policy, you're sadly mistaken.
His answer was, I know that, Colonel.
I've read your book, your testimony partially, but you and I have to discuss this more thoroughly.
Colonel, well, let me finish.
Just share this.
So during the course of discussions I had with him, because I went up more than once, UFOs came up, and I told some of the story to Attorney General Robert Kennedy.
Now, I don't know this.
I can't verify it.
It was his affair, not mine.
I think he discussed this with his brother, the president.
So that's the story that I have to say of my relationship with the two Kennedys and especially Attorney General Robert Kennedy.
And all I have to say, I wish he'd become president.
Well, I can't tell you the number because I lost track a lot because we had, there is an agreement, even it's a code in motion pictures in the media, I think you know this.
We never reveal the source or reveal someone name or something unless we get their permission.
Arts, don't you feel that for the first time that we are hearing honest voices from inside a portion of this government that is beginning to explain all the questions we've been asking for the last five years?
You know one thing I just put in here, I know, and a footnote, when I met the Colonel two nights ago, the first thing he said to me, he said, Linda, how?
How did you get all of that classified material in your books?
And he said, and how did you do it alone?
He said, at least I had a gun.
And I think part of this big story is that we've had this huge civilian curiosity with so many people like the ones in Roswell, this 50th anniversary.
They knew.
They have known.
They had their hands on.
And we have pushed.
And then there has been people like Colonel Corso, who had a gentleman's agreement with an extraordinary general who did finally pass.
But his order, his order was for Colonel Corso to then tell the story.
And now we may begin to see that the civilian effort that's been pushing forward.