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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Art's Parts - Linda Moulton Howe & Budd Hopkins
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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1997.
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Good morning.
As you know, the big confab is going on in Roswell.
I would guess, we'll get a report here in a minute, but I would guess tens of thousands of people are descending on Roswell, probably doubling, tripling, or quadrupling its normal population.
And there is a bit of intrigue underway.
I had a call.
Well, actually, first I received a news release.
And I had a call from Chris Wyatt, formerly of CBS, and now in an apparent partnership with Paul Davids, the executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell.
And he said, well, I note you read our press release.
I said yes.
He was wondering how much press coverage it was getting and concerned that it wasn't getting as much as he would like.
And I said, well, why don't you come on the program and without, you know, spilling all the beans, whatever your beans are, at least give it a tease and give us a little idea of what you're going to be announcing in the morning.
And he said, OK, fine.
And I want to put this all in perspective for you.
Let me now read you that announcement once again, because we are hours from the announcement.
It is entitled, Scientific Proof to be Presented, that an extraterrestrial craft was recovered near Roswell, New Mexico.
CNI News received the following press release from Houston-based researcher Daryl Sims On June 30th, CNI News will report further details of the story following the scheduled press conference July 4th.
Dateline Roswell, New Mexico, June 30th, 97.
A press conference scheduled for 9 a.m.
July 4th, 1997 at the Pearson Auditorium.
It says here, Rearson, but I believe it's Pearson Auditorium.
On the New Mexico Military Institute campus in Roswell, New Mexico is going to present the results of scientific tests performed on crash debris found near Roswell, New Mexico 50 years ago that once and for all prove that the downed vehicle was not of Earth origin.
A research scientist from a major university involved in the testing We'll be on hand to discuss the methodology and results of the isotopic ratio tests.
And this is very important, folks.
Isotopic ratio tests, Linda will explain them shortly, will tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt, or for the most part beyond any shadow of a doubt, whether something is of Earth origin or not.
At any rate, of the isotopic ratio tests of the Roswell debris, Supporting conclusions in a battery of tests conducted by universities and national laboratories will be provided that conclude the Roswell debris is manufactured material of extraterrestrial origin.
Paul Davids, executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell, is sponsoring the presentation of the evidence during his program at the 50th anniversary.
Along with images of the actual Roswell crash debris, the chain of evidence will also be presented validating the Roswell incident as the recovery of a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle.
So, the day went by and I didn't hear from Chris Wyatt.
So, I got hold of Paul David's office and put a call in Got his motel room in Roswell and put in a call to Paul Davids.
I was asleep when he returned the call.
My wife answered.
He said, well, we're not going to say anything.
In other words, they're ducking out on us.
And they've decided they're not going to say anything until tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock.
So we really have no way of knowing exactly what is going to be announced at 9 a.m.
other than what I just read you.
Now what I have coming up in a moment, well let me tell you what's ahead in the evening, is first Linda Moulton Howe who is presently at Roswell and has been talking with some of the individuals involved.
And then, coming up following Linda, we've got another famous person present now at Roswell, Bud Hopkins, author of Intruders, Missing Time, Expert on Abductions, latest book is Witness.
We'll talk a bit about the Betty and Barney Hill Story and all the rest of that and no doubt the goings-on at Roswell.
So there you are.
That's the setup.
That's where we are.
We were to hear something about this press release, but for some reason, at the last minute, they chose not to come forward.
And I'm just giving it to you straight out.
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Now we take you back to the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, one more thing that I want the audience to know.
And that is, during, well let's see, I received what we affectionately call Arts Parts.
Made up of bismuth and magnesium.
About 15 months ago or more.
And during the course of that 15 months when Chris Wyatt was with CBS, he contacted us, plural, as in myself and Linda Moulton Howe, and was for a time working with us.
Since leaving CBS, he apparently has connected with Paul Davids in some regard, and So we're not exactly sure what the nature of the announcement tomorrow is going to be, but Chris Wyatt was aware, quite aware, of the BizMag investigation ongoing.
And by the way, it still is, and that's what you're about to get updated on.
So, now, to Roswell, New Mexico, and Linda Moulton Howell.
Linda, hello.
Hi, Art.
Yeah, the timing in all this is extraordinary, and perhaps A little bit strange.
The last three hours I have been at a cocktail party that was held by the Mayor of Roswell and during that cocktail party both Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids and I talked about what it is that they're planning to do tomorrow morning.
Right.
And I said, let's go on coast to coast tonight and let's talk about this because, and this may be part of the irony of the timing, I have been trying to do the most solid research that I could on the business magnesium outside of any spotlight and not doing anything prematurely and making sure that we had all our ducks in a row and that we had hard, hard edged information that I could report periodically.
Linda, before we launch into that, there's a large audience out there, frankly because I haven't been talking about it a lot, that doesn't even know what we're talking about.
Fifteen months ago or so.
April 1996.
You received the first letter and then somewhere we had five letters.
One to me and four to both of us sort of.
All having to do with radio reports that I was doing after we received two different shipments.
One that appeared to be all almost 100% aluminum pieces and then a second shipment of a very strange series of a half a dozen or so, a material that was about two inches long, an inch to an inch and a half wide, quarter of an inch deep, silver on one side, black on the other.
And when we did a series of tests, actually six institutions now have analyzed the same elemental composition.
We've done a Carnegie Institute analysis of the isotope composition in Washington.
Everybody has found the same thing.
They were dealing with thin layers of bismuth and almost pure magnesium, a little zinc in that layer, alternating, and that the bismuth and the magnesium do not have any other elemental composition in between them.
There's nothing that's bonding.
No oxygen has been discovered.
And that these alternating layers are so thin that the bismuth layer alone is about half the size of a human blood cell.
A human blood cell is 7 microns.
The bismuth layer is ranging from 1 to 4 microns.
And this is a very interesting point.
Right from the very beginning, the first professor that I sent this material to, to do a scanning electron microscope photograph of, and to do what's called electronic dispersive spectroscopy, to look at elemental composition, called me and said, there's a strange wavy pattern.
Going through the business and the magnesium zinc.
In fact, at this university, he called in a geologist to look at this.
And they were always puzzled.
And right from the beginning, the question was, how was this material made?
And we had one man who tried to make it four different attempts with what was called vacuum vapor deposition and never was able to reproduce it.
Just in the last week.
This is how thin the timing is on this.
Well, you're still missing a little bit.
I mean, in that interim, my God, Linda, you went to every rare metals manufacturer we could lay our hands on.
You went to a lot of the national labs.
Yes.
I mean, we did exhaustive research.
Absolutely, and I'm assuming that this audience, but that's right, it was the Dreamland audience Who heard the montages that I did at Sandia Labs in Los Alamos and metals manufacturers and the universities and all the people that we've gone to in the last 15 months who unanimously 100% have said that they had no precedence for engineering anything with bismuth and magnesium in micron layers and it led up to in the last two months I did something quietly with the help of an attorney
We filed Freedom of Information Act requests with 13 agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, all the Army, Air Force, Navy, Wright-Patterson, Phillips, a whole series of labs, and the National Science Foundation, and NASA, and across the board, to the specs of the 1 to 4 microns bismuth, 100 to 200 microns magnesium, mostly, and a little zinc.
And giving the parameters we have come to that no one anywhere has any reference to these elements being used together in thin layers.
And the last letter on that came from Wright Patterson, which interestingly enough, 50 years ago, probably was front and center receiver of strange technology that was retrieved from crashed objects here in New Mexico and other areas.
And today is the last letter in a series of 13 that we received on this strange material that we've got saying that they had no reference and that they were referring me back to agencies that we had already filed FOIA requests to who had no information.
So all of that was something that I was going to talk about with you tonight or tomorrow night independent of Paul David and Chris Wyeth.
And to let the audiences know in Coast to Coast and Dreamland that on Saturday here in Roswell at 2 o'clock in the Pearson Auditorium, my entire presentation is going to be the best slides, the best videotape and the best spectra that we have on this mysterious bismuth magnesium layered material that after 15 months no one knows precisely how it was made or what its function could be, but there's been a lot of speculation.
So it was very surprising to me tonight to hear from two people, one of which is Chris Wyatt, who had been actively involved in the evolution of the research that we were doing on the business magnesium.
And it should be noted here that we have never, until this moment, publicly made reference to the fact that we were talking to Chris Wyatt.
That's right.
That's right.
And that they would do a press conference tomorrow Asserting that they had absolute proof that they had extraterrestrial material.
Now, I personally will be standing with my hands clapping if the evidence that they have are abnormal isotope ratios or anything that would stand up in front of the National Science Foundation and the National Academy of Sciences that this is truly not of this Earth.
Right.
One of the problems that we all have is coming up with the hardest data that can be presented to
scientists worldwide that either the isotope ratios are completely anomalous
or that there is something that is truly not terrestrial in terms of explanation.
Now would you explain to the audience how it is possible to do isotope testing
that will conclusively tell a person that what they're holding or what they have is not from Earth?
Now, let's go to what happened at Carnegie.
I took this material down there, first of all, to look at the magnesium layer, because in the 50s, there was quite a large eyewitness sighting of something coming through the sky over what was called Ubatuba, outside of Sao Paulo, Brazil, of something, some sort of an object, that many, many witnesses claimed exploded and that pieces came down on the beach.
And there were a series of stories done through a newspaper contacting some scientists, and a series of tests were done.
And the bottom line was that whatever this material was that was collected from a beach in Brazil, appeared in approximately 1957 to be 100% magnesium-26.
And when I say that, I'm talking about an isotope that relates to the number of neutrons and protons At the center of the molecule of the magnesium with a certain number of electrons on the outside.
Okay, this begins to get awfully complicated.
That's right, but that's what isotope ratios are about.
Okay, but Linda, let's take magnesium pure as an example.
What should the isotope ratio be?
In Earth, terrestrial magnetism has approximately 80% of what's called magnesium isotope 24 And approximately 10% of Magnesium-25 and about 10% of Magnesium-26.
That's the normal so-called Magnesium metal on the Earth.
And it can range in different percentages of that, give or take.
Now, when I went to Carnegie and we did the isotope study on our Bismuth Magnesium material, it turned out that in the Magnesium that we were dealing with, in the material that we have, it's actual physical material.
There was about 11% more magnesium-26 than there would be in what we would call terrestrial magnesium ore, but not outside of terrestrial parameters.
What was interesting in our test was six times the Carnegie, what's called ion microprobe expert, and the one who was doing the test, he was puzzled by the fact that our magnesium bismuth sample emitted 60 times more ions than his controlled magnesium metal.
It has never been totally explained why the material that we have, and that you've got now too, is why does it emit 60 times the number of ions.
And I have talked with a whole series of scientists just in the last three or four months, talking about this whole issue of certain crystal faces and the construction and crystal face construction
and why this might occur.
This gets into some of the newest work that I'm trying to do quietly until we have hard,
hard data, but the suggestion is that the material we have may have been done with something
that is called laser welding.
It is part of research that's being done in IBM and other areas and laser welding has
been one of these, we'll call it one of the more advanced areas in high technology on
our planet.
And one of the interesting aspects of laser welding, which means putting metallic layers together with lasers, is that you will end up with that wavy, corrugated pattern that has always puzzled people about the material that we have.
Now, another aspect is the question that many people, that scientists that I've sent this material to or we have shown the spectra to, they've all said there has to be a bonding agent.
And we've never found oxygen, we've never found anything between these layers.
What is holding the bismuth and the magnesium zinc together?
Well, it turns out that in some of these areas now of nanotechnology and thin layers, If you get down to one to four microns of layering certain metals together... All right, Linda... We'll get into electron bonding between the atoms themselves.
All right, hold that thought.
We'll come back and pick up on that point.
Linda Moulton Howe in Roswell, New Mexico is my guest.
I'm Art Bell.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3, 1997.
This is a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3, 1997.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM, from July 3rd, 1997.
Linda Moulton Howe is here, and this is going to be a very interesting evening, already is.
We'll get back to it in a moment.
Thank you.
Back now to Roswell, New Mexico, center of everything that's going on right now, and Linda Moulton Howe.
By the way, Linda, what's it like in Roswell?
Has Roswell been swelling as predicted?
Well, I tell you, as I landed at the airport this afternoon, the plane that we were in, a small commuter out of Albuquerque, hit.
A patch of cumulonimbus that sent that plane up so high and down so low about 12 times that I thought, oh my god, this is it.
I'm going to die in this place 50 years after.
Well, that same cumulonimbus apparently hit with strong winds this afternoon and one of the people here who has lived here a long time said, you know, we haven't had any rain and then we hit this weekend and now we're having A thunderstorm?
Well, when we went to the Mayor's Cocktail Party, that huge cloud was filled with lightning going on and off, and it's probably still out there, reminded me exactly of the scenes in Spielberg's Encounter of the Fourth Kind that first premiered, I think, in 1978 or 79, and caused such a sensation on this earth.
And I thought, how appropriate that they haven't had rain here for weeks.
And here is the night that everybody is gathering, and we've got a cloud that will not quit with lightning inside, hanging right over the city of Roswell.
And I'm not saying there's a craft in there.
I'm just saying that the lightning and the thunder tonight, even to the locals, was a dramatic opening to the next two or three days.
And I would not say that it looks like Woodstock.
You don't have people every square inch of every square mile.
But the town from one end from the airport driving into the other is absolutely chock full of jokes and or visual displays or something having to do with the whole issue that something of a non-human intelligence come down here in this area in 47 or the 40s into the 50s and maybe multiple times in multiple places and the entire city the everywhere Everything is around that theme.
Is there a lot of talk there about time compression, Linda?
Well, the issue of past, present, and future and time issue and machines is something that maybe we could take up on another program.
No, no, no.
This is perhaps you don't understand.
The Air Force held a news conference.
Oh, yeah.
And when they asked Colonel Haynes how he could account Uh, for the time between 1947, when so much occurred, and 1953.
And those silly dummies.
And those silly dummies, and all the rest of it.
His answer was, time compression.
It's a sorry state, isn't it?
The military has to reach for those kinds of phrases to try to explain what is their third effort to explain something in which they are actually admitting there were bodies.
That's another irony of all this.
Well, time compression probably came straight from military intelligence.
Well, and coming back to this whole issue of Hard proof of unusual metallic material.
One of the things that Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids told me tonight is that they do have one sample piece in which a Stanford University professor said that there were more than 20 elements and that there were some of those elements in which the isotope ratios were not terrestrial.
Now, I'm quoting what I was told tonight.
Did they say what kind of metal piece it was?
No.
No, not bismuth and not magnesium.
We're talking about 26 different elements.
Okay.
Now, to me, the challenge is, is the Stanford professor willing to show scanning electron microscope pictures with what we call that EDS, that electronic dispersive spectroscopy or wave dispersive spectroscopy or liquid Anything that will show exactly in a scientific way what those elements are, what those isotopes are.
Linda, were you surprised that when you approached them tonight and said, let's go on the air, they had suddenly decided not to do so?
Yeah, exactly.
What I was going to say is that if they have material that is solid science that can stand up anywhere on this planet, At the press conference tomorrow.
Then it's big news.
We all should be standing there cheering.
What I'm concerned about is that it's one thing to have enthusiasm.
It's another thing to have enough evidence that will prove to the mainstream media and to scientists that we have something without calling the wolf too many times.
That's why I prefer to work as best I can Uh, more quietly until we have hard pieces and then report those hard pieces.
Now, if the Stanford scientist is here tomorrow and has all of the evidence and they've got a 26 element piece... You think that is the major university they refer to here?
That's what he said, Stanford.
I see, Stanford.
So now, tomorrow, it's a question of how far will the documentation go?
Now, separate out all of that.
26 elemental pieces and possibly some anomalous isotope composition.
I know nothing about this piece.
But you come back to the bismuth magnesium and the layered material that I have been researching now for 15 months.
One solid piece of scientific research after another.
Well, I think we ought to tell the audience something else.
In our conversations months and months ago with Chris Wyatt, It was revealed to us that we were not the only ones with Bismuth Magnesium samples.
That's correct.
He said that he had one other source.
One other source at a separate crash site.
Remember?
That's right.
And that's when I came on the air and told the audience we had some very, very incredibly exciting news that we couldn't talk about yet.
And that's what it was.
That's right.
That there was a Bismag at a separate location and they were talking about isotope ratios that were not of earth at that time.
And tonight at the party when I asked Chris are you talking about exactly the parameters of what we've got one to four microns pure bismuth layered with 97.6 percent magnesium 2.4 percent zinc and going for at least 25 layers as we have already photographed and measured he said Basically, I can't confirm that it is exactly that.
So, I would say that whatever it is that they are analyzing, that all of the Dreamland and coast-to-coast audience listening should at least say that there may be something that will have some hard physical data.
It may or may not have anything to do with the business magnesium layered material that we received With letters from a man who claimed that his grandfather left them in a box with a journal in 1974 and was part of a security team in 1947 at a wedge-shaped, delta-shaped vehicle, not round, but triangular-shaped, between the northwest corner of White Sands and Socorro.
This has nothing to do with the Foster Ranch between Corona and Roswell.
What we're dealing with is between White Sands and Socorro.
Everything so far, art, up to this point, and all of the...
I don't think that the people that I'm working with now on this material
would be doing and willing to do what they're willing to do if we didn't have layered material
that falls into a category of being at the stretching edge of technology
that may relate to electro-gravitic material.
Or put another way, may have been part of, or could be part of, a listing body.
In a circumstance that may have to do with pulsed magnetic fields Or pulsed magnetic and or electrostatic fields with certain RF signals.
This is what we are now.
We're going beyond the research we've done.
We're moving into other areas.
And we're moving into those areas because other scientists have told us this is the work, the cutting edge of what they're interested in.
And so they want to try it on this material.
And I would say that the possibility that in a pulsed A magnetic field that this material might turn into that lifting body that that one man hinted at could be a potential out there if the scientists could find the right pulse frequency.
And that appears to be a part of the key when you're dealing with layered materials and the kind of fields that you put them in.
And what we're saying here, Art, is this is all the cutting edge of technology at least as far as the civilian world is concerned.
All right, so then, the answer is you've been approached by a very large corporation that we need not name.
Right, we can't.
That is going to do the testing you just described on the BizMag material that we have.
That's right.
All right, and then going back... Eventually, whatever we can learn that's solid, then I will keep reporting when we've got solid answers.
So, again, going back, it is curious that Chris Wyatt now hooked up with Paul Davids.
The both of them were unwilling to come on the air this evening and discuss anything at all, even in a tease.
And you are going to be then presenting tomorrow... On Saturday.
I'm sorry, on Saturday.
Yeah, day after tomorrow, Saturday at 2 o'clock in the Milton Pearson Auditorium, I'm going to Do a complete two-hour presentation on all the work that we've been able to do, slides, videotapes, spectra, on this material, and I'm hoping also that out of this audience, if there's anybody who will have any other information, every step of the way it seems like I'm always gaining some insight from somebody when I make public presentations, and this is one of the opportunities here in Roswell, and anybody listening
In our dreamland and coast-to-coast audiences who may be here or who may be coming, I would really welcome seeing you there.
And I think that what I'm going to present, I already know, rests in hard physical data that we all have and is substantial.
What I am concerned about is If we have material tomorrow at the press conference that we don't have hard data about, then it may be that it is a problem if we are not all reporting hard science when it comes to hard physical material.
And if they've got it, hooray!
But in terms of the Bismuth Magnesium, based on the conversations tonight, it sounded as They may have something that is different and what they really feel that they've got the strong material for is 26 some elements with perhaps some isotopic anomalies and where that specific crash or retrieval is from, they haven't announced that either.
Tomorrow we'll learn what it is that they announced, but to you and to our audiences, I think that the business magnesium material that we have affectionately come to know as Art's Remains a baffling mystery, but is somehow connected into the world of electrogravity.
Well, what they're claiming in this release is that the isotope ratio test proved it's not of Earth.
They're saying it is a manufactured material of extraterrestrial origin.
Keyword manufactured.
So it's not a hunk of rock or something.
It is something that is actually manufactured.
Based on what Chris said tonight, I think that's the 26-some elemental composition, which is something completely different from our layered business magnesium.
But you know Art, what this comes down to, if they've got the hard data, and if it can go to the scientific community, and if it begins to make some sort of a headway, for this area which is that there appears to be hard physical material that they are so anomalous that they deserve the kind of research that we've been doing on the business magnesium and it's paying off with the kind of research and the interest in scientists.
It may not prove to psychos but we are inch by inch We are beginning to find ourselves being able to lay out to a public that there is material and there are scientists and there are edges of scientific research which seem to be merging with this whole issue of a non-human intelligence being the, if you want to say, being the reason for why we have this material and this is exactly what Colonel Corso
And of course we're going to be interviewing Colonel Corso on Sunday.
On Sunday on Dreamland and hopefully all will go well and we can talk with him for two hours at least.
So there is a kind of convergence and a kind of merging here in this 50th anniversary and yet at a time when the Air Force still has been trying to explain it all away as balloons and dummies and the most refreshing thing is I flew in with a producer from NBC and we were talking about the whole 50 years and all of the explanations and he turned to me and he said you know that most recent Air Force report none of us are buying it
Dummies in the 50's trying to explain the 40's.
He says, what in the world?
He says, they finally got our attention.
Well, maybe that's the ultimate irony.
I did a show last night, Linda, with Jamie Chandure and a very, very interesting individual named Bon Johnson, Dr. Bon Johnson, who worked for the Star-Telegram down In Texas.
And actually went into General Ramey's office and took the photographs.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
We interviewed him last night.
And did he support the notion that there was something contrived about presenting the balloon pieces as Jesse Marcel, Sr.
had said before he died?
Well, he said that what he photographed was not a balloon.
And that in his opinion, and I'm just about exactly quoting him here, if it had been a balloon, that the General would have probably resigned rather than had his photograph taken with balloon debris.
That was what Bon Johnson said, Dr. Bon Johnson.
And Colonel Corso, in his book, The Day After Roswell, Has made it very clear that our government felt that it was over a barrel in all directions coming out of World War II faced with total unknowns both in bodies alive and dead and craft that had no understandable technology and that the only safe course that they could devise at the time in the 40s
To keep any advanced technology out of the hands of perceived Cold War enemies or hot war enemies and to keep what they considered to be a status quo in the mass population to prevent any kind of mass panic was a policy of silence which for right or wrong has been for 50 years in place and apparently still is.
But in this strange effort to trot out These 1950 dummies, they are in a strange way admitting that there were bodies.
Linda, I would like you to do... And this gets into, Art, the issue of extraterrestrial biological entities and who they are, what they are, and why.
All right.
Linda, we're about out of time, so what I would like to do is ask you, tomorrow after this news conference, I would like, A, a private call from you.
Right.
And then, B, tomorrow evening, if it seems appropriate, to bring you on for a short time to give me, to give everybody, your assessment of the scientific validity of what is presented tomorrow.
Right.
And I think we both agree, and we do.
You said it, and I'll say it now.
If they've got the goods, and this is the smoking gun, then we'll all stand up and clap.
Right.
And it may be that they've got the real goods on that one multiple, multiple element one, And that our bismuth magnesium material may in itself be a separate part, because even the letter writer himself said that the bismuth magnesium material his grandfather wrote in his diary came from only the underside of this wedge-shaped object.
And we received aluminum pieces, remember, in the first shipment.
And whatever that they're presenting tomorrow, if it's multiple elemental composition, May have come either from a different part, a different craft, anything, and the whole thing that I'm... We may have back-engineered stuff on our hands.
I mean, we have no way of knowing at this point.
See, and back-engineering means it has to have started with something in the first place that was unknown.
All right.
Linda, I think you've encapsulated everything that's going on very well indeed.
I thank you for being on the program.
Well, and Bud is here with me now.
Do you want to segue into him here, or what?
Well, let me talk to you during the break about that, which is now.
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My guests, and Linda actually is still here, Linda Moulton Howe, Emmy award-winning documentary producer, investigator of crop circles and animal mutilations and strange metal parts and talk show hosts.
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Intruders, missing time, and his latest witness.
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Why does it seem that evil spirits seem to come through Ouija boards?
Some people claim that they use the Ouija board and nothing adverse happens.
However, it's my opinion that somehow it opens a door and there seem to be evil spirits just waiting for that opportunity for somebody to be sensitive enough that they can take over some of their control.
They'll change and start showing their true colors.
Now we take you back to the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
♪♪ Back now to Roswell, New Mexico.
Center of all kinds of things that are happening and pending.
Here is Lynne Bolton Howe again.
Hi, Lynne.
Hi.
And where we left off is the irony that when the Air Force trotted out yet a third alleged closed case explanation for what might have happened in the Corona crash, at least, not even discussing any of the other sites, they would trot out these dummy bodies from the fifties to explain something in which there are dozens and dozens of eyewitnesses from 1947 at least.
And this ironically says that the government in a funny backhand sort of way is acknowledging bodies of some sort.
Well that was the 40s into the 50s and at least in the modern age this issue of first human descriptions of something falling into a non-human or extraterrestrial biological entity category, that is a government phrase that is used, the Ebens, was the Betty and Barney Hill case in 1961 in New Hampshire.
And with me is Bud Hopkins, a man who has been in the trenches on this difficult story
of the human abduction syndrome now since at least the end of the 1970s.
He has done two of the most important books in the literature, the groundbreaking Missing
Time and Intruders, the newest book having to do with an extraordinary case in New York.
And here in Roswell at the 50th anniversary of trying to remind us really that something
extraordinary happened in these deserts around here, he is going to be discussing the whole
issue of the evolution of non-human extraterrestrial biological entities as they have been described
in the human abduction syndrome.
Not only in this century but going back or at least the last 50 years but going back perhaps even earlier and I'm now going to introduce a man that I have known since I did a strange harvest in 1980 when his book Missing Time came out.
I have known and respected this man for a very long time.
And Bud Hopkins, the man who has made us pay attention to the fact that a non-human intelligence appears to have been interacting with humans for a very long time, and here he is.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Bud.
Great to speak with you again.
Great to speak with you.
Bud, Lynn, as she introduced you, she talked about the evolution of EBEs, and, you know, We never have heard very much about the evolution of EBEs prior to, oh, even the 50s, perhaps.
But you're saying there is a history?
Well, it's more the evolution of their interaction with us than their own personal evolution, which I don't think any of us really know very much about.
But the thing that's really fascinating is, of course, there were UFO sightings.
Eons ago and some of which are quite interesting back in the Middle Ages and so forth.
But I think the real kind of modern whole series of UFO sightings that were really taken very seriously began World War II when we thought they were some kind of Nazi secret weapon.
Uh, the so-called Foo Fighters, and of course, when we started capturing German pilots who said, what are those things, those disks that you send up following our plane?
We realized they weren't German.
But, um, and of course, we go on into Roswell and the 1947 wave and the 52 wave and so forth and so on.
Um, but I think that the one thing that wasn't really being looked at very seriously is exactly what they're doing if they're flying around.
Sure.
And I think Roswell could be regarded as, uh, A crash of a getaway car at a time when nobody had yet figured out what the crime was.
In a certain sense, human beings have always been the object of the UFO occupant's interest.
I think that, of course, the abduction phenomenon, which the public tends to think of as somehow beginning with the Betty Boyd Hill case, the 1961 case that came to light in 1966, But it was just, of course, the first one that's come to light.
I've worked with two people who had abduction cases in the 1920s.
They're totally classic cases with every kind of post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms showing up.
Can you tell us something about those?
I've never heard a word about anything from the 1920s.
Just one example.
The woman was at this time about seven years old.
She went outside and was playing.
This was in a little town near New York City, Rockland County.
She saw a kind of glint of light, even though it was somewhat overcast, and looked up and there was this very large object that she said looked like a kind of balloon, a dirigible, except she said the thing was metal and it was just above the trees and it was quite huge.
and she watched in fascination and these small figures started floating down from this huge
object and she got of course terrified at that point because they were staring at her big eyes
I mean all very classic things and this woman of course when I interviewed her in the 1970s was
elderly and was not at all familiar with this material.
What year had this occurred?
This occurred about 1928.
1928.
At any rate, she ran from these figures and the next thing she knew she was quaking in terror and her mother was calling and she had been something like two hours late for coming in for dinner.
She had no account of where she had been for those two hours.
Here's a missing time classic case.
She found that she had a deep cut on her right leg that she didn't remember how it was formed.
There was no blood.
The cut was holding together.
From that point on she began having all kinds of psychological problems, fears.
She used to go up in the attic.
She had a certain little place she would make her own little place to go and play.
She was terrified ever to go in the attic, never would do it again.
She would never stay at home by herself even though at the age of seven she did frequently.
She insisted her parents be there with her.
There were all kinds of problems.
At any rate, on and on it went.
It's just one more case that could have happened, of course, yesterday here.
the United States rather than back in the 1920s.
Alright, and then we can even go back to much earlier times.
We can look at glyphs that appear to show creatures or craft.
Right, I think you're right.
There's a tremendous amount of evidence suggesting that they have made visits before.
The abduction phenomenon is kind of hard to establish prior to the 20th century because
we really can't interview people.
It's very hard to know what to make of some of the written accounts.
What would a continuing interaction with human beings suggest to you?
Let's say that it's been going on for as long as we've been here.
If you look back at the glyphs and presume that it was some of the same stuff going on, what would that suggest to you with regard to motive?
Well, that's hard to say, and it's possible, of course, that motives have changed over the period of time, over the many centuries.
I feel, in a very intense way, that this whole thing is speeding up, that the interaction might have been very, very rare, very sparse in years before.
Alan Hynek made the suggestion that If we went on into the 25th century and NASA had developed all kinds of amazing craft, that we might have objects that are not manned objects, but that have traveled other solar systems and are monitoring those various planets at various solar systems, if these are the planets where the conditions for life really obtain.
And they would simply sort of notice how things are developing.
Of course, if intelligent light begins to develop someplace, maybe our advanced NASA would send in a more intense series of surveillance craft and ultimately, perhaps, would land.
Ultimately, of course, you said once that planet might be on the verge of space travel itself and having developed atomic energy is becoming possibly a threat, maybe at that point there is a very, very serious surveillance and study of that planet.
In a certain sense, the involvement of the planet and the life forms there would be changing over the years.
But what seems to happen now, to me, is that the whole attempt, and I think this is central to the entire UFO phenomenon, the attempt of the UFO occupants to create some kind of a hybrid mix between humans and aliens, that that whole process is speeding up, and in a way that's rather alarming.
It also, of course, suggests a reason why there would be alien interest in us that would be maintained in a covert way over quite a period of time.
Because since we are not fruit flies, if you are working generation after generation within
the same family, within the same bloodline, just in a very simple minded way, you mix
half alien and half human characteristics and that particular mix, hybrid mix, is reunited
again with a fully human ovum or sperm and you would get then something that is three
quarters human and only one quarter alien.
It would take many generations to bring this particular hybrid mix closer and closer to
resembling human beings.
I think that the evidence would suggest that this is exactly what is going on and for some
reason the UFO occupants need to create this hybrid mix for whatever purposes we do not
Well, Bud, we all know that in the course of human evolution there is, in fact, a missing link that cannot yet be accounted for.
Right.
Something happened.
Right.
Well, and there's certainly no reason to assume that there couldn't be... we couldn't have been helped along.
I wrote a book, Bud, myself.
development towards intelligent, upright life and so forth by aliens on the outside.
There has been of course an infinite amount of speculation about this over the years,
but we don't really know for sure.
Okay, I wrote a book myself.
It's called The Quickening from a layman's point of view, which looks at nearly every
aspect of human endeavor, from politics to social behavior to the economy to the environment.
I called it The Quickening because I observed simply and documented that in nearly every
aspect of human behavior, we're experiencing a quickening.
Things are exponentially getting faster and faster and faster.
Absolutely.
You agree with that?
It fits in.
Oh, absolutely.
Well, I mean technologically.
It's an exponential jump.
When you think of where technology was in 1947, say, where it is now, it's just incredible.
And of course, I think that a great deal of that is just intrinsic to the process of scientific development.
I don't know that you have to posit alien interference there,
but certainly this intermix with human beings, which seems to me to be central,
and really quite an alarming aspect of all of it.
It gives the motivation for maintaining a whole covert attack so to speak.
The thing incidentally that I wrote about in my book Witnessed which is just now out as a paperback has to do with a UFO abduction that was uh... not only witness but uh... it was deliberately it
seemed to me staged so that many important people
uh... and independent witnesses would see what they could do
the first time we've had any report that i'm aware of that would
uh... seem to be like the mythical idea of the landing on the white house lawn
and it seems to herald a new development in their attitude towards
even uh... earthly government Witness, can you give us a brief idea of what it is all about?
Witness is about a case where a woman was seen floating out a 12-story window with three alien figures in a downtown New York apartment building at 3.15 in the morning.
Wow.
This was back in 1989.
I have witnesses to all or part of this incident at five different locations.
Automobile engines stopped, and of course there isn't all that much traffic or all that many people up and about in 315 on a weeknight in New York, but there's still plenty of people.
But people who were driving across the Brooklyn Bridge on the FDR Drive, South Street, some of the neighborhood streets, car engines stopped.
But the most important aspect of who stopped Was that there was a particular small procession of cars which had just left a late night meeting at the UN and they were heading down towards Governor's Island to move on to another meeting elsewhere.
And these important political figures all had their automobile engines die and witnessed this.
As if the aliens wanted those people to see what they could do.
Bud, I have never heard a word about this.
Now let me get this straight.
You said, you said, a woman And this was witnessed by how many people?
Well, as I said, I have witnesses at five different locations who saw all or part of this.
and a minute and a half, something like that.
And this was witnessed by how many people?
Well, as I said, I have witnesses at five different locations who saw all or part of
this.
In terms of the aftermath of this case, which is ongoing because of the involvement of all
these people who were really principals in it, the book that I have written deals with
about 20 different individuals who were enmeshed in this case, one level or another.
The wonderful thing from the point of view of presenting this as evidence is that this case wipes out any possible explanation that the skeptics have come up with, which are usually How can you be writing this book now, and I have not heard of this case?
I don't know.
I guess that says something about the publicity department at Pocket Books, my publisher.
Wow.
At any rate, this case occurred, the incident occurred, the central incident.
On November 30, 1989, and that was a date in the real center of the breakup of the Soviet Union, when all kinds of international events were boiling left and right.
It was the day that, for instance, Gorbachev met with the Pope.
It was the day before Bush began his summit meeting with Gorbachev in Malta, and there was a general strike across Czechoslovakia.
This was really a wild time internationally, and at that moment, it seemed the UFO occupants decided to stop this procession, which contained some very, very important political figures, more or less to show what they could do.
And you then had to approach these people and try and get them to tell their story?
Well, most of them won't go public with it.
You know this as well as any of us.
The major weapon that the skeptics have used over the years, I think, to try to attack all of the work that we do is essentially witness intimidation.
Yes, oh yes.
This is the one basic weapon they have.
If they can make it seem so ludicrous and ridiculous a subject that anybody who says he's participated or she's seen this or witnessed that is automatically a figure of fun Then you can pretty much make sure that anybody is up for tenure at a university or trying to get a government contract or whatever it may be.
They're out of business, yeah.
They're out of business.
All right, bud, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll be right back to you.
My God, what a case witness!
A woman and aliens witnessed at how many different locations?
We'll get back to Bud in a moment.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3, 1997.
This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AM concert.
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Stick around.
I guarantee we will take your breath away.
There's no question about it.
Right now with me is Bud Hopkins.
He'll be back in a moment.
His latest book is Witnessed.
And we're going to roll over that one more time.
I mean, the story he's telling in that book That'll take your breath away, all right.
Oh, gosh!
How that could have occurred and that information have been gathered and not have become public before now is incredible.
Anyway, very quickly, let me note for my audience that my book, The Quickening, the one I talked about a little while ago with Bud, is going to be generally available in stores uh... in late august and early september nationwide and uh... we are now at the final and i mean the final opportunity for you to get a signed first edition copy of the book what's gonna happen is uh... now through uh... dreamland this coming uh... sunday with by the way uh... colonel philip corso uh... you can get a signed first edition copy after that forget it i'm done signing i'm done i'm done
So if you want one, you've got to order between now and Sunday.
That's the cut-off time.
Then there may be a period of time when the book will not be available at all, because it'll be basically sold out.
They'll go into another printing, and it will be available nationwide.
And so I just wanted to get all that out.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1997.
Back now to Roswell, where there is a gathering of the Eagles, and one of them is Bud Hopkins.
Who's name you should know very well indeed, wrote Intruders, Missing Time, and now this incredible new book called Witnessed.
Bud, from Salt Lake City, I've got a fax here begging you, and I have to recall a lot of the audience is younger, asks, what is a Foo Fighter?
What is a Foo Fighter?
Well, during World War II, both in the Pacific Theater and the European Theater, American pilots reported these objects coming up near their planes that ranged in size and being quite small, maybe a foot or two across all the way up to very, very large disks.
Sometimes they seemed to be light, sometimes they seemed to be solid objects, especially in the daytime.
These things would almost attach themselves to the wingtips of the planes and fly along and then zoom away.
There was a comic strip at the time called Smokey Stover, and one of the So that was the explanation for flying discs then?
Then, exactly.
Where there's smoke, there's foo, with F-E-U, the French word for fire.
So these things were somehow called foo fighters.
That was spelled F-O-O, usually, for the French spelling.
So that was the explanation for flying discs then?
Then, exactly.
We saw them in a military context.
Incidentally, a couple of things popped into mind from things you mentioned, Art, about
this case that I've written about and witnessed.
One is, a woman witnessed on the Brooklyn Bridge, when her car stopped, the engine died, the lights went out, as happened to several other cars, and she said when this thing lit up and she saw these little figures, they looked like little balls in the distance, rolling out of a window, What about the woman herself?
and then being lifted up into the craft and rotating lights around the craft she said
you know it was so real it looked fake and I thought they were making a movie down there.
I'm watching a movie being made.
She thought this was Steven Spielberg or something.
What about the woman herself?
Well the woman herself, Linda Cortila who I had worked with, I had met her maybe eight
months before, she's an Italian American woman born in this country.
Her husband has a blue collar job.
They have two sons.
It's a very quiet little family.
She had had abduction experiences and that's why she contacted me.
It's a long story.
She called me this particular morning.
She called me at 9 or 10 in the morning and said, I think something happened to me last night.
Just as she was going to bed, she felt a presence in the room.
This is very, very typical.
She started to get very frightened and she felt this paralysis, which was beginning in her feet, creeping up her body, up her legs.
She was afraid to open her eyes and finally got up the courage and saw this small figure with huge black eyes standing at the foot of the bed.
She picked up a big pillow and threw at it, which I think was kind of funny, and knocked And then was terrified because she thought, oh, it's going to retaliate, and her main fear was it would hurt her children.
The pillow knocked it back.
Yes.
You know, let me just quickly touch on this or ask you about this, Bud.
I have heard repeatedly, again and again and again, in these abduction stories, where people have pushed or struck out or now thrown a pillow at them, They are physically affected very easily, as if to suggest they are not physically strong.
Absolutely.
You're absolutely right.
That is the report.
And I think that's the reason human beings are paralyzed, because I think they are quite physically fragile, the UFO occupants, and therefore they have to protect themselves.
It's an interesting thing that back in the first case that we really heard about, as
I mentioned of course the Betty Barney Hill case in 1966 is when we first read about it,
that Betty Hill who is a rather short lady and not particularly formidable was more or
less given free movement.
She was walked into the craft and she was not through much of this paralyzed but her
husband who was a tall and powerfully built African American man was pretty much paralyzed
through the whole thing and unable to move as if they understood that he was the greater
threat.
I hope so.
How did you manage to put all this together so quietly?
Well, what happened is when I worked with this woman, Linda Kortila, and we explored her experience, everything she remembered under hypnosis, which was that she was floated out this window and lifted up into the She didn't see anything out the window.
She was just except a blue beam of light around her.
In actual fact, as we discovered later from the witnesses, there was one alien above her and two below her.
And she was in a fixed position in between with her in a paralyzed state and her head couldn't move.
So she's staring straight ahead and didn't see any other aliens.
So she was lifted up into the craft and a fairly, it sounds a little wild to say this,
routine series of medical, quasi-medical experiments or test procedures took place and then she
was returned.
So there was never any sense, A, that we had witnesses or B, that there were aliens above
and below her in midair.
How did the story develop?
In other words, did you hear first from her?
Well, I heard the story first from her about that incident because I had been working with her and other things.
Sure.
Then, this was just when we looked into it in the hypnotic regression session, we put the thing aside.
I hear of probably at least one abduction case a week from within the New York City area.
So these things are not a surprise.
But then how did you stumble on?
Well, the big thing was that I got a letter from, 15 or 16 months later, I got a letter from two men reporting themselves to be police officers, saying that they could no longer keep this incident to themselves.
And they started to report that they were on duty and they were in a car.
It turns out that they were in fact Security agents with this important political figure, with one of them.
And their car engines died, and they were sitting there, not knowing what was going on, and saw this thing unfold.
Wow.
All of a sudden, though... And this is interesting, too.
They didn't see the UFO.
No one saw the UFO arrive.
It was just suddenly there and turned on its lights, as if... It was almost waiting till the audience was in their seats.
And then suddenly turned on all the lights and they looked up and they saw this unfold
They saw these figures pop out the windows happened very quickly and unrolled and they were quite close to the
building which again would suggest the whole thing was choreographed
and the
They didn't know what to do one man said what we're gonna do get out of the car and shoot at it that you know
That had no idea They were just paralyzed with fear and confusion.
Were these New York City police officers?
No, it turns out they were government security agents.
In their first letter to me, they said law enforcement officers, but they didn't take into their confidence at first.
Ultimately, they admitted that there was a third person in the car with them, and he was this important political figure.
Who incidentally I have had an interview with him in the presence of another person, a reporter.
Is it a name we would know?
Well at the time it was a name you would know and his position is a name which would be extremely familiar to everybody.
Now the thing is he wrote me a letter saying he would deny it, an unsigned letter of course, He would deny it if I ever used his name, but he hoped that someday he would be able to come forward and that we could sit and talk.
The letter, incidentally, had many characteristics which I was able to check against legitimate letters from this same political figure.
So you know it was from this person?
Absolutely.
And then, meanwhile, I received a letter from, a while later yet, from the woman on Brooklyn Bridge whose car stopped, who I just quoted.
The reason that I ran into her is that she contacted me.
She had seen a CBS program about abductions and it had stirred up something she had been trying to put out of her mind, what she had seen.
Again, she had sort of wanted to believe maybe this was a movie she was seeing being made.
At any rate, she went into a bookstore and since we've done more work in the field than anybody else and my books are pretty available.
Yes.
She picked my name out of the bookstore and wrote me.
Some of the other people we have uncovered through various methods.
It's a complicated, long, long story.
It's the most complicated thing I've ever dealt with because it seems to have a cast of thousands.
The interesting thing is with some of these people, as I interviewed them, They said the same thing to me.
I went home and I thought this was real.
What was I seeing?
This is crazy.
We turned on television and radio to see if anybody had reported this.
We looked in the papers and there was nothing.
I said, well, did you think of reporting it to anybody?
Everyone said, of course not.
I don't want people to think I'm crazy.
Let me ask you a skeptic's question.
Okay.
You have written extensively on the subject of abduction, missing time, all the rest of it, and now this latest.
Do you ever worry personally, Bud, that your writings and your story tellings induce false memory syndrome?
Well, that's certainly an absolutely genuine concern.
It's something that I do worry about.
One of the things that I try to do when I'm working with people is to test them every chance I get, especially under hypnosis but just in regular conversations, to try to lead them away from what would be the patterns that I'm very aware of.
I'll give you an example of this kind of leading.
If I'm working with a little child and say this is a four year old and he's telling me, he told his parents who called me, That he won't sleep in his room.
He's very frightened.
These little men have come in with big black eyes and they take him up through the window into a room and put him on a table and so forth.
The mother has discovered a puncture mark in the abdomen or whatever it is.
The whole thing looks pretty ominous, suggesting it really happened.
When I interview the child I will do everything I can to lead him away from the UFO explanation
by figuring if he is making it up or his parents talking or whatever it is.
Or maybe even the subject of abuse and trying to attach mentally some other explanation.
Exactly, anything like that.
At any rate the child will say they took me in the room and I will say, well when they
took you in the room what did they give you to eat because they always give you something
to eat which of course they never do.
And of course if the child says, well we had Oreo cookies, but you don't get that.
What you get is they didn't give me anything to eat.
But on an adult level, I can do this over and over again with adults who are unaware that I know the patterns and I can ask questions that would lead away from it.
But your concerns here are extremely valid.
That's one reason why we have to be very, very careful and do this work as seriously.
Incidentally, I've had now eight different psychiatrists come to me because of their own abduction experiences, and I've done more hypnosis with mental health professionals, as a matter of fact, as subjects than you could possibly imagine.
But Whitley is a good friend of mine, and something he said was going to cause me to ask you a question.
He said that in his encounters, There are certain things that even in the books he's written, he has held back certain key pieces of information about what he calls the visitors, so that when he hears accounts or sees photographs, he's able to look for these very special things that he has not related publicly on purpose.
And so it makes me ask you the same question.
Oh yeah, well that's been a, as a matter of fact, Whitley, of course, had read Missing Time, which is the reason that he came to me in the first place.
In Missing Time, I had gone into that at length as a basic police technique that I've used, and used in the first major case that I ever investigated back in 1975, which was the landing in North Hudson Park.
And in that case, this was a park directly across the Hudson River from about 86th Street in Manhattan.
I mean, here's a UFO landing.
Something like ten small figures getting out and digging soil samples.
And I ended up with witnesses at two different locations who didn't know one another.
But each of them told me an interesting thing about the craft when I asked about it.
They said that in answer to what color it was, each one said it was so dark it looked
black.
Now black is not a kind of color you associate with UFO cases.
So when I published that case in the Village Voice in New York City, I of course withheld
that particular detail.
And so we rounded up something like five more witnesses who said accurately it was black.
So that's something I've been doing all along and I think that has to be done.
Do you include that kind of control evidence in the books you write?
Yes.
In virtually everything I've written, I keep material out.
That has to be done.
I think that a lot of this work is a strange mix.
You're both a detective.
I suppose the psychologists and healers all rolled into one, whether you had the expertise in those fields or not, but that's what you end up being.
You're doing that kind of de facto work.
And this is, of course, a standard police technique.
Is there any single common thread, or threads, that you would name that weave their way through all the abduction cases, or the ones that you consider valid?
Oh, I think there are many.
many threads that weave their way through.
And I mean I could go into that, it would take a while, but I think without any doubt the whole reproductive aspect
of this, the interest in this ongoing genetic experiment,
it was something that was present in the Bedding-Barney Hill case,
which nobody paid attention to.
And it was, in a strange way, one detail was held back In John Fuller's book, he did not mention that Barney Hill had had a sperm sample taken from him.
And the reason that was not put in the book was because in 1966, I guess that was considered too gamey a detail to publish.
And of course, they did talk about the ova samples or pregnancy tests or whatever it was called being done to Betty.
But even back there, We're at the top of the hour.
It's a good long break.
pair of physical procedures was not particularly noticed by anybody, including myself.
Alright, listen, we're at the top of the hour. It's a good long break. Can you stick around?
Well, actually, if I could give the phone back to Linda here, I'd tell you why. I'm really running out of steam
fast.
It's a very long day.
Let's take this up another time.
All right.
Let's indeed do that.
In fact, I think we've got you scheduled for Dreamland somewhere down there.
Bud, thank you.
And if you would hand the phone back to Linda, we'll check with her when we come back at the top of the hour.
Oh, I certainly shall, and I really appreciate that.
Thank you very much.
Bud Hopkins, thank you.
All right.
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Top of the morning everybody and welcome to the program if you're just joining at this hour.
Hour number one was Linda Moulton Howe from Roswell, New Mexico.
She reported extensively the history of the bismuth magnesium material that she's going to be talking about tomorrow in Roswell.
Concurrent with that, of course, there is a scheduled news conference at 9 a.m.
at the Rearson Auditorium, which should be very, very interesting, and we'll see what results from that with Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids and others, I guess some scientists.
And they're going to reveal that they have material, it is said, That will show isotope ratio tests that are not of Earth origin on manufactured material that they claim came from the Roswell crash.
That'll be a big bang, and we're all curious to see exactly what it is.
I'll begin getting reports on that, of course, as it is presented tomorrow, and we'll get them to you tomorrow night.
In addition to that, tomorrow night, we've got Michael Hesman as a guest, and he wrote His book is Beyond Roswell.
He's here from Germany.
So we're into, obviously, extensive coverage of Roswell and related stuff.
In our number two, we have Bud Hopkins, who has just authored a book called Witnessed, a most remarkable story with lots of good witnesses regarding an abduction.
Now we're going to go into open lines.
Linda's gone bad.
She's got to be up for this news conference in the morning and the goings-on at Roswell.
What I do want to do is open one line for those of you in Roswell.
Either investigators, reporters, people who are in Roswell one way or the other.
But we're going to enter open lines now.
So if you are in Roswell, and if you are an investigator, If you want to report on what's going on in Roswell, then tonight I'm going to establish the Roswell Line.
Now I'm asking that everybody else on that one line hold off.
Please, if you're calling on that line, hang up and call on any other line.
But what we usually call our first time caller line, we're going to reserve for the balance of the evening, for anybody who is in Roswell, Uh, for that matter, any of the principals involved in the news conference, not that I expect to hear from them, but I would like to give them that opportunity, and I'd also like to note they have my private number, uh, just in case they do want to say something.
Uh, they know how to get hold of me.
In the meantime, the Roswell line is hereby established.
Please, everybody respect that line if you would, and do not call it Roswell only.
Now we take you back to the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
On the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
On the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Oh Alright, we're going to go to open lines now, and anything you want to talk about is certainly fair game.
There's enough going on.
Heaven knows there is enough going on.
To the phones we go.
East of the Rockies.
You're on air.
Hi.
Good morning, Gart. Forget that collar.
Yes, sir.
Where are you?
This is Ed in Chicago.
All right, Ed.
I have a question about advanced speech.
How does one really know... Do you mean reverse speech?
I'm sorry.
Reverse speech.
Yes.
How does one really know what you're saying I'm not quite discerning your question properly.
in your subconscious mind.
How do you really know if you are sincere or not?
It sounds like the way you described it, you are taking a chance and you can say that you
could have positive or negative effects.
You just don't know.
You are just taking a chance.
I'm not quite discerning your question properly.
Reverse speech is an inadvertent subconscious thing.
In other words, you cannot control it unless for...
Suppose for example you are giving a speech, a rehearsed speech, but if you are in normal
emotional interactive conversation, reverse speech is a naturally occurring thing.
What I'm trying to discern is that this is actually a legitimate science because I have
a discussion with a friend of mine constantly and...
It would appear to be.
Look, I'm like everybody else.
I'm kind of skeptical of things, but in the months now that I've been interviewing David
Oates and having him do reverse speech clips for us, they're consistently congruent, to
use his word, with what's being said in Forward.
And that seems to prove the science.
I mean, it's repeatable again and again and again.
If it's people talking, if it's NASA employees, then the subject is space or spaceships.
If the subject is a murder trial, then the reversals appear to have to do with the murder, and so forth and so on.
And that seems to me to be repeatable and scientific.
Well, okay, except for example, I enjoy your show a lot, and how would I know or how would you know that that is actually true if you were to put it in reverse speech?
You mean when you say you enjoy the show?
Right.
Because I don't really quite understand how I subconsciously would know.
Well, subconsciously, maybe you hate my guts.
No.
Well, you don't know that.
I mean, maybe you do.
I wouldn't be listening to the show, number one.
Well, you might.
There are people who hate me who listen.
I mean, they love to hate me, and so they listen.
So that's the point.
That's a well-illustrated point.
In other words, you're questioning everyone's sincerity when they listen to the show, even though you don't know whether they... No, no, no, no.
We were talking only about you.
Okay.
All right.
I'm not questioning... Of course I'm not questioning everybody's sincerity.
I'm simply... You asked a question, and I said, Um, it may be that subconsciously you hate me or hate my show.
And you might find that out in examination of your reverse speech.
Or, on the other hand, you might find out that you are totally congruent and the reversal might say something like, the show is great.
Or something like that, that would tend to be congruent with what you're saying forward and means you're telling the truth.
So what is this science supposed to prove?
It proves, for example, if you say something forward, and you're telling the truth, then the reversal will be congruent.
The reversal will be consistent with what you're saying forward.
However, if subconsciously you don't really mean what you're saying, or put another way, you're lying, then the reversal will be congruent, but will reveal you to be a liar.
Could this, for example, be used in the court of law?
Well, not yet.
Maybe one day.
That's the best answer I can give you.
Maybe one day.
I mean, they still don't admit lie detectors, do they?
So, reverse speech is still young.
I'm sure there are many who would like to strangle this baby in its cradle.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Good morning, and happy Independence Day from Lance in Park Hills, Missouri.
Thank you, Lance.
Welcome.
I called Monday night, Tuesday morning, about using reverse speech as a means of dream interpretation.
Yes.
I was wondering, have you tried this yet, or mentioned it to David Oates?
No, but the next time we have him on, we will.
All right, then.
I'll let you go.
All right.
Thank you very much for the call.
Sure.
Why not?
I just had another movie comment.
It's kind of funny.
In fact, I was kind of embarrassed about it.
I went to see that Men in Black movie.
Really?
Directly dictate your dream into a recorder and then search out the reversals.
There are all kinds of possibilities.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, this is Andy at Gainesville.
Yes, sir.
I just had another movie comment.
It's kind of funny.
In fact, I was kind of embarrassed about it.
I went to see that Men in Black movie.
Really?
And I didn't laugh.
You are the first one.
It's a comedy, really, right?
Yeah.
And I didn't think it was funny.
No?
No.
I mean, maybe it's because I really buy into a lot of that.
I mean, I know they were making fun and poking fun.
And Will Smith, of course, is funny.
I mean, he makes a couple political jokes.
But most of the humor was political in nature.
Speculating that Bill Clinton might be an alien, etc, etc.
Well, I've always thought that possible myself.
But I thought it was, you know, I found it to be serious in some parts, you know.
Because it's stuff that people are looking into as a serious area.
I was almost embarrassed because my friends made fun of me.
It was a comedy, Andy.
I was like, well, I didn't think it was that funny.
I thought it was kind of dramatic in a way.
I'll tell you a little secret.
I'm working on an interview with a man who's written a book called Men in Black.
Not the movie, but the serious story of the Men in Black.
Oh, I see.
And I'm going to have him on the air.
Awesome.
So there's something that this movie was based on in a funny way?
I mean, I didn't know anything about... Well, I mean, it's like Mars Attacks.
Oh, okay.
In that same sense, Men in Black.
There's a serious genesis to it.
Absolutely.
And of course, I'm making this serious comment in a funny way, because it turned out to be funny between my friends and myself when we were watching the movie that I didn't laugh.
Because they're always teasing me about believing in UFOs, etc.
It's a good movie.
I will say that.
With regard to belief in UFOs, I believe in UFOs.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, there are unidentified flying objects without question all over our skies.
More Americans than not believe in UFOs.
Now, do they believe that they contain little green guys?
That's a separate question.
Well, they were cute, anyway.
I appreciate the call, sir.
Thank you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I'm from Phoenix.
My name's Linda.
I wondered, do you ever delete email without looking at it?
Occasionally.
I get probably, I'm going to guess now, about three or four hundred pieces of email a day.
Well, I thought that might be the case.
So, as I look through it, for example, people put me on these mailing lists.
Why in God's name they do it, I don't know.
Right now there's one that's really annoying called Dalnet.
And whenever I see a down that message, I delete it automatically.
If I see a message that I think is spam, I delete it.
If I see a message that relates to something that's already over with, I generally delete it.
In other words, you have to do a kind of a triage situation when you get that much email per day or you're in big trouble.
Right.
Okay.
Well, as I said, I'm from Phoenix and A week ago last Friday, two weeks ago tomorrow night, every time I tried to get on the web, I was told that my user ID was not recognized with AOL.
They know who I am.
And it just was very annoying, and I wondered if some of the things going on in Phoenix have to do with the internet at all.
Nah.
No?
No, I don't think so.
I would call AOL and straighten it out.
Yeah, I did.
They said it was a system problem.
There you are.
Okay, just wondering.
But, of course, you're in Phoenix, so one never knows.
Right.
Okay.
Thanks a lot.
Right.
Take care.
One never knows.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Tammy from Arizona, 90 miles from Ground Zero.
Oh, how are you doing?
I'm fine.
I have two questions for you.
Okay.
One could be my own misunderstanding of what Richard Hogan had mentioned.
Remember when he mentioned the trajectory of Pathfinder to Mars?
Yes.
Okay.
And how he said it was impossible, according to the data that he had, it couldn't reach there by the 4th.
No, he did not say that.
See, I got it wrong.
Can you explain that to me?
Well, I can try.
Listen on the air.
Pathfinder, it would appear now, is going to land on the 4th.
Although, until it lands, you can't make that absolute statement.
But Pathfinder And I think I can recall what Richard said, is headed toward Mars like a bullet.
Like a bullet on a trajectory.
And unless they do something, and they do have fuel on board to do it, that would in some way change that trajectory, they have that power.
It is going to literally impact on Mars, and I'm sure you've seen the illustrations and bounce and bounce and bounce, And then deploy the rover, which will go crawling about with cameras.
And all of this, by the way, is going to occur.
Talk about synchronicity.
All of this is going to occur beginning West Coast time, probably somewhere between, I forget what Richard said, 10 to 1, somewhere in there.
I think around 10 o'clock West Coast time.
Now, by about one o'clock West Coast time, we should begin to get the first return signals, if there are to be any, from Pathfinder.
So, there's an awful lot going on on this Fourth of July, this Independence Day.
Indeed, there's a lot.
Roswell is going on.
A big news conference is going on.
The Mars Pathfinder is going to impact on Mars.
And there are certain things that we are investigating with respect to the ongoing situation in Phoenix that may manifest themselves as well.
Not necessarily tomorrow, but there's ongoing increasing information that it would be not wise to divulge at this moment.
Let me put it that way.
When the time is right, we will tell you what we think is going on.
But we're not sure right now, and so it would be, in my opinion, irresponsible at this point to discuss it.
But it does involve Phoenix, and when we know more, you'll know more.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
This is Chuck from Jacksonville, Florida.
Hi, Chuck.
I wanted to ask a question that just occurred to me while you were talking earlier about inertia.
Inertia on a person's body in a spacecraft.
I don't recall talking about that.
Oh, no, you didn't talk about that, but I was just thinking about spacecraft.
Okay, what about it?
For a spacecraft, To go from New York to Florida in one sweep of a radar would require that that craft exert so many G-forces in order to accelerate and decelerate.
Well, all right, I see where you're going.
Yes, unless you imagine other technological capability.
Unless you imagine a mode of travel that does not fit the aerodynamic law that we believe we must live by when we fly in the atmosphere.
I'm trying to be very careful with my choice of words here.
On the Roswell line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes.
I would like to say one thing.
Are you in Roswell?
Yes.
Uh-huh.
You have your radio on, don't you?
Yes.
All right.
That's a no-no.
Turn that off first.
Okay?
Okay.
It's going off.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I would just like to say one thing.
Go ahead.
What about the full moon?
What about it?
It's not full.
As a matter of fact, the full moon... No, on the 4th of July.
Yes, you're right.
There's going to be a... Okay, listen.
No, there is not going to be a full moon on the 4th of July.
A new moon?
A new moon is what we're going to have, yes.
OK.
Something very significant is going to happen on Roswell on that day in the Mars Pathfinder mission.
I know... Well, there's... OK, all right, thank you.
There is a lot of synchronicity.
There's no question.
We talked a little while ago, and there was a tremendous thunderstorm building over Roswell.
A gigantic hue cloud, a cumulus cloud.
building over Roswell and they had some pretty big winds earlier tonight.
And there is in fact a new moon.
It's pitch dark out there.
I'll tell you what, where I am, the Milky Way extends clearly from one horizon in roughly the south all the way across the top of the sky to the other horizon in the north.
It is absolutely incredible, and this is occurring on a new moon night, and so that gentleman is absolutely correct.
Not full moon, as he first suggested, but new moon.
There is a big new moon out there.
All right, we're going to break, but not with that.
I want to break with this.
This is what I want to do.
All right, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
And again, we're holding the line open for Roswell.
Those of you down there involved in all that's going on.
Roswell only.
It's a new moon.
I wonder if it's going to be a new beginning.
And just about 12 hours from now, we'll be half an hour away from the first Pathfinder signals.
I'm Art Bell.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1997.
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Tonight's program originally aired July 3rd, 1997.
Good morning, everybody.
Great to be here.
Last night, Art, at the beginning of your program, you said there was developing news in Phoenix that you would not discuss that night, that you would address possibly tonight.
You also said it was something that you weren't sure you could deal with.
Now, if that wasn't a tease, Then nothing is.
Yes, it was a tease, in the sense that I wanted to inform you that something we believe may be going on there.
But, again, I'm going to say it again as clearly as I can.
Until we know what's going on, and I'm in contact with people in Phoenix and elsewhere, it would be utterly irresponsible to air it.
I'm not going to.
So, if you consider that a tease, then go ahead.
It's really not.
It's the honest state of affairs, and I just simply can't go forward with it until we understand exactly what we're dealing with.
We've got a lot of material, but until it makes sense, until it comes together in a way that we can explain it to you, it would not be responsible to proceed.
So that has to be the answer to your question.
If you want to consider that a tease, go ahead.
I don't intend it that way.
I intend for you to think or to know that I am trying to develop something that I consider potentially important and that it's not yet at a stage that it can be presented or that it would be responsible to present it and yet I want you to know it's an ongoing thing.
So for now I'm afraid that will have to satisfy you.
Not at all intended to be a tease.
Just telling you what's going on.
On my Roswell line, you're on the air.
Hello.
It's cool enough here in the desert in this area, too, tonight.
So you're in Roswell, huh?
There's a lot of people down here, and it looks like that we're all getting excited.
And I hope that your correspondent, Linda Hell, will bring the entire broadcast of the 9 o'clock news conference to the airwaves tomorrow night, hopefully.
Well, I'm sure that we will get an encapsulated version of it tomorrow night, without question, and by midday I should know what's going on, and of course you'll know right away because you are there.
What's it like?
What's Roswell like?
It's a small town, usually, a quiet town.
Yes, everybody's very friendly.
Just like back in my hometown in Nebraska, they greet people with a smile, they treat people with respect, and everybody down here is conducting themselves In a very interesting fashion because they're just here for one reason, and that's to listen to this news conference and to enjoy the sights down here and to reminisce about 50 years ago.
And we just wish that you had a booth down here.
We think you could sell over 300,000 books here tomorrow morning.
Well, I think my best My best place to be is here.
I thought very hard about it, sir.
I thank you for the call.
I thought very hard about it.
There's a man in Roswell.
And, of course, I had endless invitations to go to Roswell.
But there are a number of aspects of this that I'll tell you about.
And one is that I really believe my best place is here.
And that I can coordinate things that are going on in Roswell and best report Most efficiently report to you what's going on by being here, not there.
And when you're there and you're trying to do a broadcast, it frequently turns into a situation that is not very coherent because you have people milling all about.
You're unable to do an effective remote broadcast.
I have never been a big fan of remote broadcasts of any sort.
And so I did what I always do, and I remained here.
And we will get you the information very efficiently from here, I can assure you.
Modern communication certainly allows that.
But I've just never been a big fan, and I really thought very hard about it.
That is, going down, because it is an attractive event, of course, for me, as you can well imagine.
But finally made the decision to remain here and try and coordinate events from here.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hi, this is Diane in San Bernardino.
Hello, Diane.
Hello, how are you doing?
Fine.
That's good.
I have a couple of things for you.
I was listening to CNN News on the radio station on the 4 o'clock hour.
Yes.
And they had spoken to, I believe it was an Air Force Lieutenant.
Um, and he stated that he had seen aliens at the crash site.
Okay, I think you're referring to Colonel Corso, aren't you?
Uh, I could be.
I don't really recall the name.
Yeah, they interviewed Colonel Corso yesterday on Talkback Live, and my guess would be they took that clip and ran it on CNN, and Colonel Corso, of course, claims to have seen an alien at Russia.
Right, right.
Because he said that they had ash gray skin, Yep.
And eyes that were a little bit larger than ours.
Right.
And they were larger in size, like more like, I think he said five feet, five foot three, something like that.
Yes.
I'm going to have Colonel Corso as a guest Sunday on Dreamland.
I know, I know.
I'm going to be listening to that as well.
But I think it kind of correlates with what Bud was talking about, where he was saying that they might be trying to hybridize humans and aliens together.
To where people may not understand why they want to do it, but really if you had a 3 foot tall person, we have no idea really what they look like other than different reports, but if you had a 3 foot tall alien being with huge eyes and not really a human body, most people would go into a state of panic.
So I think probably what they want to do is try to make Everybody, you know, these hybridized beings, as close as possible to us so that we're not as terrified.
Once we get used to them, then maybe they can show themselves as to what they really are, etc.
Well, that may be it.
That's as good a thinking as anybody else's.
In other words, create a hybrid that will be not so shocking to us when we encounter them.
It is possible.
Anything is possible, isn't it?
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Now we take you back to the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, I want to remind the audience I am holding one line open exclusively for anybody in Roswell.
And I kind of want to get a feel, I've already begun to do that a little bit with some of the callers, for how it's going in Roswell, how it feels, the anticipation, all the rest of it.
Any of the investigators down there.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
How are you, sir?
Okay.
Let me just change the, not that you have a specific topic.
No, I don't.
Whatever you want to talk about.
Have you seen the movie appropriately titled Strange Days?
You know, it's funny that you should mention that.
I just saw it.
And what did you think?
I really enjoyed it.
It was really good, wasn't it?
Yes.
Of course, we can't go on about it for all the listeners who haven't seen it, but we obviously recommend it.
Right.
Yes, I do.
And we should not go on about it.
I hate people who ruin movies.
I'm not one of them.
I'm not one of them.
There are people who compulsively ruin movies.
I mean, they cannot resist ruining movies.
And I have thrown such people out of rooms.
In fact, out of my house.
I would put Strange Days and Seven in the same category.
I don't know how to describe it, but does that make sense?
Yes, it does.
It does.
Yep.
Have a happy Fourth of July.
All right.
Thank you.
Well, there's a good promo for Strange Days.
Strange movie indeed.
Oh, it really is.
And so is Seven.
Both movies, he's right about that, that sort of leave you stunned.
Thoughtful.
Stunned.
Affected.
All of that.
Indeed.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
First I have to tell you I'm here at Ground Zero in Phoenix.
Phoenix, huh?
And I haven't noticed anything going on.
Where should I be looking?
Nowhere special.
Oh, well, I guess I'm oblivious to it here.
The reason I'm calling is today I was looking through for Pathfinder because I'm interested that it appears it's going to land on time.
So it would seem.
Yeah, so I've been going through the internet, just looking at the JPL and whatever.
Until Pathfinder gets on the ground, begins sending back signals, and lands where it was supposed to land, then we can say, well, Richard was wrong.
And then we can say that, and we can call Richard, and he will, look, Richard's a stand-up kind of guy.
He'll come on the air and say, I was wrong.
Well, I don't want to believe he's wrong yet, because one of the things I came across, and I'll be darned if I can find it right now, is an article that used the word gremlins.
There have been, apparently, been gremlins on Mars that have interfered with so many And then I'm looking now at something by Jane Allen, Associated Press.
Well, gremlins in the sense that much has gone wrong with everything, with much of what we have sent to Mars and the Russians have sent to Mars.
Right.
Including a gigantic object that was photographed just before one of the Mars probes the Russians sent suddenly disappeared.
Right.
Well, let me just continue.
I think there's a theme here.
And in a way, they are preparing us.
If, indeed, it doesn't make it, they'll say, oh, gremlins, it missed its mark, but, you know, perhaps on the 20th it can hit again.
I'm still expecting that to happen, because here's this Associated Press article by Jane E. Allen, Mars isn't an easy destination, and it starts the path of fraught with peril, talks about all the missions that never made it, including one called Phobos 1 that received an inadvertent suicide command from Earth.
And one that disappeared August 21, 1993.
Oh, yes.
So getting to Mars is hard.
Doing stuff at Mars is right on the edge of human technological capability.
I think I've seen that quote before.
Yes.
And it's talking all about, but I'm just thinking, you know, in a way, this is a theme here in the press, and that if they don't make it, they can just say, well, they're those gremlins again.
And we expected this, and then maybe they can just Pull it out at the last minute and come back down on the 20th or something.
So I'm waiting for that to happen.
Anything can happen.
That's right.
That's right.
All right.
Thank you very much for the call.
Yeah.
I mean, look, we are hours away.
About 12 hours from now, plus about 10 minutes, we should begin getting signals from Pathfinder if it lands as programmed.
So obviously, we will indeed go back to Richard Hoagland And he will have much to say about it.
You can depend on that.
And if it lands as programmed and does not in some way become diverted or encounter, to quote my last caller, gremlins, then we will have Richard back and ask him about that.
Michigan Governor John Engler has declared a state of emergency and asked for federal disaster assistance following very violent storms and tornadoes that killed at least seven people and injured dozens more as the violent weather continues.
I mean, they were clobbered, clobbered in the upper Midwest.
And now, in the last several hours, Tornadoes and violent thunderstorms are in the Massachusetts, New Hampshire area.
Many tornadoes sighted.
It really has been quite a spring, hasn't it?
The weather.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
How you doing?
Did you catch the Roswell special on the Sci-Fi Channel?
No.
No, I heard about it, but I didn't get it.
That guy mentioned that what they got is 100% homogenous aluminum.
Not made on the Earth.
However, they said the only way that that could be made was in a vacuum of space.
What guy are you referring to?
The guy that says he's got that Roswell stuff.
Gear or something like that?
Who?
I'm not sure of the guy's name, but he was on... Okay, it sounds like you may be talking about somebody else entirely.
No, it was on a Roswell special.
They said he was going to come out with the thing on the 4th of July.
Well, we'll see.
Okay.
Alright, I understand there's 26 different isotopes.
Linda was talking about that earlier, and I don't want to confuse this.
We'll wait and see what the news conference brings.
On the wild card line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yeah, good morning, Art.
This is Dan in Virginia.
How are you doing?
Great.
I need to pass a message on to you from Dr. Jim Hartertock.
Yes.
I had a chance to see him at Dulles Airport, I guess about eight or nine days ago, before he's flying to Switzerland.
Yes.
And I was telling him about the program, what you and Richard were doing, and Stan D.O., and he wanted me to get him copies of the program.
And I told him I'd do so, but he wanted me to tell you that he'd be available in August, and he'd be glad to... Do an interview, huh?
Yeah, to tie all these things together that are happening.
Well, I'd be glad to have him on, so if you run into him again, tell him that.
Otherwise, I'm sure he will contact me when he's back here in the U.S.
Okay.
And we'll get it together.
I have interviewed him previously, and I would be glad to again.
Okay, wonderful.
Another thing I was thinking about, have you had any reports of meetings or hearsay about aliens meeting with our government?
With our government?
Yes.
No.
Not recent ones.
Well, I've been looking at some reports.
Uh, that I picked up off the website, uh, talking about different dates, uh, April 20th.
What, what website?
Uh, it's called WWPortal, uh, ground crew.
Yeah, that's Sheldon Neidl.
Yeah.
No, that, Sheldon Neidl, sir, is not the government.
Sheldon Neidl is receiving this information through some 70-year-old woman.
Right.
Well, she's not the government either.
Right.
So what are you talking about?
Well, I was just wondering.
I'm trying to look for confirmation.
Unlike you, I'll have to see if there's anything else out there.
By the way, I would like to now ask that everybody out there who keeps getting this Sheldon Neidl information, stop sending it to me.
I get too much of it.
I've had it.
Oh, you're getting a lot sent to you?
Yeah, people go to the website, download it, and then fax it to me.
I don't want any more Sheldon Neidl information.
So it has nothing to do with the government, sir.
It's being, in effect, given to, channeled through some 70-year-old woman.
And I don't know where... How do you figure the government fits into that?
Well, I don't.
I'm just saying that the reports indicate that there has been meetings between aliens and the U.S.
government.
I see.
That's all the reports are saying.
I see.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
I lay very little credibility and information that flows through a human being who, in effect, goes into some sort of trance.
And you might ask, why do I appear to be closed-minded about that?
And my answer to you is a straight one.
There's too much of an opportunity for fraud.
I, at one time, tried to interview Sheldon Neidl.
And found it was not, from my point of view, a worthwhile experience.
And since that time, I have begun to discount and, in fact, even begun to object to that material being sent to me.
So if you are one of the ones who keep sending me Sheldon Neidl ground crew material, please stop.
Uh, and that's all I can say about that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, this is John from Wyoming, New York.
Hello there.
Um, I'm known as Eagle One.
I suppose my friend Kenny had told you about me.
I seem to recall something.
Yeah?
Um, Art, on that Roswell thing.
Yes?
Um, is there a question of alien bodies being found?
Oh, well, there certainly are stories.
I don't think they're going to be trotting out an alien body in the news conference later today.
But yes, there are stories of alien bodies found.
Yes, of course.
One even that lived for a while, depending on what you believe.
Yeah, I've heard stories about that, too.
I don't know.
It's kind of hard to get a grasp on it.
If there was, it had to lift.
I agree with you.
I appreciate the call from Long Island, New York.
Out there where my mom is.
All right, we're going to break here at the top of the hour and I'll be right back with you.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1997.
This is a test.
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I won't I want you, I want you
Oh, I want to love you, feel you Wrap myself around you, I want to squeeze you
Please you know I just can't get enough And if you move, we'll be
We'll go, I'll let it go.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1997.
I've got a great cat story for you here.
You know how I feel about cats.
Here it comes.
One day, a cat dies of natural causes and goes to heaven.
There, he meets the Lord himself.
The Lord says to the cat, You've lived a good life, and if there's any way I can make your stay here in heaven more comfortable, please let me know.
The cat thinks for a moment, says Lord.
All my life, I've lived with a poor family.
Had to sleep on a hard wooden floor.
The Lord stops the cat mid-sentence and says, Say no more!
And a wonderfully fluffy pillow suddenly appears out of nowhere.
A few days later, six mice are killed in a tragic farming accident and they go to heaven too.
Again, there is a Lord to greet them with the same offer.
The mice all answer, Lord, all our lives we've been chased.
We've had to run from cats, dogs, and even women with brooms.
Lord, we're tired of running.
Do you think we could have roller skates so we don't have to run anymore?
The Lord says, say no more, and fits each mouse with a beautiful pair of roller skates.
Now about a week later, the Lord stops by to see the cat and finds him snoozing on his comfortable pillow.
The Lord gently wakes the cat and asks him, How are things going since you've been here?
The cat stretches in typical cat fashion and yawns and replies, It's wonderful here, Lord.
Better than I could ever have expected.
And by the way, Lord, those meals on wheels that you've been sending by are absolutely the best.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3, 1997.
From David, thank you David, NASA television programming can be accessed through GE2.
Transponder 9C.
The frequency is 3880.
Orbital position, 85 degrees west longitude.
Polarity, vertical.
Audio is at 6.8 MHz.
degrees west longitude.
Polarity, vertical. Audio is at 6.8 megahertz. There is a full transponder
service and will be operational 24 hours a day. Mars Pathfinder briefing from JPL
begins at 10 a.m.
Eastern Daylight Time.
At 3 a.m.
In other words, about 45 minutes from now.
Oh, I'm sorry, wrong.
At 3 a.m.
Eastern Daylight Time, Pathfinder is 121,000 miles from Mars.
and 21,000 miles from Mars.
So GE2, transponder 9C.
And I've got a good seaband dish here.
A big twelve and a half foot sucker.
But I'm afraid to put it that far east.
Frankly, it'd be about laying on the ground by the time it got that far east with the mount that I've got.
So I may not be able to go over there.
Or I may.
Maybe I will.
See if the arm really will make it over to 85 degrees.
Hmm.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Oh, yeah.
What is going on in Roswell tomorrow?
A big news conference.
Does anybody know what for?
Ah, yes.
They are going to announce, it is said in the press release, that they have, without question, unambiguous material manufactured that is not of Earth.
Aha.
That came from the crash.
I was wondering.
I caught a brief glimpse of something about Roswell on the news today, and I just turned on the radio and heard you talking about it.
I was real curious.
That's really interesting.
How far off do you think it is before everything comes out?
I wish I knew.
You know, in other words, maybe they've got the smoking gun or debris, as the case may be here, and maybe they don't.
We'll find out.
Well, and how does that relate to their little Well, I'll leave that one to you.
I mean, if they can prove that something crashed, that it was not from Earth, where does that leave Colonel Haynes and the Air Force?
Slowly twisting in the breeze.
Digging himself a big hole in the dirt, it sounds like.
Yeah.
Thanks, sir.
All right, sir.
Thank you very much for the call.
Let me again, one more time, I'll read this news release, such as it is.
A press conference scheduled for 9 a.m.
July 4, 1997 at the Pearson Auditorium on the New Mexico Military Institute campus in Roswell, New Mexico, will present the results of scientific tests performed on crashed brie found near Roswell, New Mexico, 50 years ago, that once and for all will prove the downed vehicle was not of Earth origin.
A research scientist from a major university involved in the testing will be on hand to discuss the methodology and results of the isotope ratio testing of the Roswell debris.
Supporting conclusions and a battery of tests conducted by universities and national laboratories will be provided that conclude the Roswell debris is manufactured material of extraterrestrial origin.
Paul Davids, the executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell, is sponsoring the presentation of this evidence during his program at the 50th anniversary.
Along with images of the actual Roswell crash debris, the chain of evidence will also be presented validating the Roswell incident as the recovery of a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle.
Now, the chain of evidence is going to be particularly important.
In other words, if they have materials, manufactured materials, in other words, something that is manufactured, much like arts parts obviously have been, and the isotope tests prove beyond a doubt it is not from Earth, that's one thing.
And that's an important thing.
If they can prove with a chain of evidence that it came from Roswell, and that's what you're going to want to look for very carefully, whether they can actually trace and bring forward the people who will say, here, I got this piece of metal, or this whatever it is they're going to present tomorrow, and I picked it up.
Then you've got a chain of evidence, or better yet, photographs, Or better yet, honestly, whatever it is that they're going to trace back, chain of evidence to prove where this came from.
That will be equally important.
And they claim here they've got that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning, Art.
Denver.
Hi, Jim.
Boy, there's so many things going on.
One needs an Art Bell calendar, you know it.
It is busy.
May I mention a few new clubs that we've got up and running?
Yes.
Okay.
This is the Art Bell Chat Clubs and if you're not familiar with us, we gather in certain cities across the country and a lot of times we'll have speakers come in.
Sometimes they're speakers from our show.
I spoke with Doug Ruby today and we're working on getting him into the Sarasota, Florida club.
He'd sure be a catch.
Oh boy, we're real excited about that.
Anyway, since the last time we spoke we've opened up the Santa Fe, New Mexico club, Houston and Portland.
And if folks are interested, they can obtain the numbers of their local chapters.
God, we're starting to get like Walmart or something.
We're starting to get like Walmart.
Yeah, it's really taken off.
Soon we'll be opening our Northern Ohio Club, and we've got several more southern cities in Florida, New Orleans possibly, San Diego, so things are really moving along.
And I also would like to mention, coming up to July 25th, which is Friday at 6 p.m.
at the Los Angeles chapter of the Art Bell Chat Club, our speaker is going to be David John Oates.
Really?
And they're going to have dinner before the speaker comes on stage, so it should be a really interesting evening.
A lot of people in L.A.
would like to see David John Oates.
Say again when that's going to be?
July 25th.
And where?
In Los Angeles, the actual location, they need to call the Los Angeles chapter and get that information.
I don't have all that.
Also, on the 24th... Wait, wait, wait.
Do they have the LA... Do you have the LA number?
Oh, sure.
The Los Angeles chapter is area code 213-965-5537.
Okay.
And also, the evening before, the 24th, the chat club in LA is going to sponsor a field trip to see presentation by Joyce Riley. She's going to be in Los
Angeles and we like to support all of Art's guests, especially Joyce. She's going
to be speaking in our Southern Texas clubs very soon also. Okay. And if you would
like to get information about a club in your own area we have an 800 number you can
call.
It does get busy, so bear with us.
It's a 24-hour number.
You can call anytime.
And also, we've had so many responses from listeners.
I would like to thank them for their patience in getting the information packed out to them if they're interested in opening a chapter in their own area.
We are a small operation here in Denver, and we rely a lot on volunteer help.
We're getting them out as quickly as possible, but this is a new venture for all of us, and we're real excited, and like I said, we're attracting some great speakers.
I also spoke with Dr. Bruce Goldberg, Mr. Sleep Paralysis, and he's quite interested in speaking at our clubs in the West Coast areas.
So again, the 800 number for all the clubs, we have 10 of them total right now, is 1-800 8-8-1-4-5-1-5.
That's super.
Okay, Art.
Tim, thank you.
Thank you.
Have a good evening.
Good luck with all the traffic.
Art, you're not going to believe this one.
Tonight at 8 p.m.
West Coast Time, now last night, Fox News reported that a 16-year-old boy, I'm not exactly sure where, I think it was in the Middle East somewhere, was complaining of stomach pains.
Doctors discovered that inside the boy's abdomen was an undeveloped fetus.
What?
An undeveloped fetus that had remained alive for 16 years by somehow feeding off the boy.
They said the fetus had a head and a tongue And other parts I can't recall.
I'm not exactly sure what else they said because I was so shocked at what I was hearing.
They also showed a diagram of where the fetus was located in the body.
It might have been an x-ray.
They did not say what became of the fetus, or more appropriately, the boy's twin.
But only that it had survived within the boy for 16 years.
I don't know about you, Art, but in my opinion, this is the most incredible story I've ever heard.
Steve.
Could it really be true?
Huh.
I suppose...
If he was a twin.
Is there anybody out there with the medical expertise to tell me if this would be possible?
Because I frankly don't know.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
Yeah, hello.
Here on the east coast, I must have been yesterday by now, we've had more tornadoes show up in
the Vermont, Massachusetts area.
I know it.
I know it, I know it, I know it.
I've been seeing the reports.
It was in the upper Midwest and now it's moved to the Northeast.
Unbelievable.
Here in Albany, we had overturned aircraft over at the airport.
Boy.
So it's pretty incredible.
I'm telling you, we're in the middle of a change.
Oh, it is.
It's here.
And it's fun times to be in, isn't it?
Sure is.
Well, I don't know if fun is the right Interesting times.
Interesting times, yeah.
I guess I'm trying to be, you know, look on the positive side by saying fun, because what else am I going to do?
Just sit here and enjoy it all.
That's right.
You know, it's interesting to sit and watch it play out.
I don't know that I would say fun, but interesting.
Okay, yeah.
I might not have had the exact right words there, but you are right.
Interesting is, that's why we're all here, listening to find out what's up next.
Today is going to be one of the most interesting days.
Yes, it is.
I agree.
I'll talk to you real soon.
He's right about that.
This is going to be a particularly interesting day.
The news conference at Roswell.
Pathfinder slamming into Mars.
And all of that story developing during the day.
And in the background, we're doing a lot of research on Phoenix.
So there's going to be a lot for you to hear.
And then tomorrow night, of course, my guest is going to be Michael Hessman.
And beyond Roswell, Then, Sunday on Dreamland, Philip Corso.
So, there are some interesting days ahead.
West of the Rockies, Chris to live in interesting times.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi Art, this is Nick in Albuquerque.
Hi Nick.
Say, I thought of this, or I recalled this article I had read a while back when you were talking to Linda earlier.
Yes.
It's really interesting.
It's kind of relevant to what you were discussing.
There's this stone that was found by a geologist.
Her name is Anne Grayson.
Apparently, she's in England.
She found this vivid blue chunk of rock in Morocco.
She took it to the London's Natural History Museum.
They found out it was made up of these millions of crystals and the stone contains silicon, aluminum, calcium, magnesium, iron, and oxygen.
And it says the unnamed mineral changes from purple to blue to cream when rotated.
So that may be something that's kind of relevant to these unusual materials, these metals that
you've come up with.
Well, I don't know if there's any relationship, but boy, what a story.
Yeah, it sure is.
It was published here in this Albuquerque Tribune, and they have this little section of the paper that they publish every Saturday, and it's called Earth Week.
Oh yes, I get that.
By electronic means.
Yeah, it's really interesting.
They have some really fantastic articles in here, but I just thought I'd relay this to you.
Oh, thank you.
You know, this sounds to be kind of on the same avenue as... Well, only if you classify the avenue as weird.
In other words, I don't see the connection to bismuth magnesium layered materials in micron levels, layered micron levels I might add, but what you described is really interesting.
I wonder what that is.
It does not sound natural to Earth, and I wonder if they've done any testing with regard to isotope ratios.
First time color line, you're on the air, hi!
Hello?
Going once, going twice, going wildcard line.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes, Art.
Yes, sir.
Good to hear you.
Your show is always interesting.
I need your fax number.
Area code.
702-727-8499.
702-727-8499. Whatever you do, do not send more than three pages for my fax machine will...
Oh yeah, I know better than that.
Well anyway, this is Mark in Phoenix and it's good to hear you.
Okay, I look forward to the facts.
Take care.
Art, a few nights ago you were talking about a time capsule and what we would put into it.
I know exactly what to put in a time capsule of the 1990s.
A cell phone embedded in a deployed airbag attached to the steering wheel of a BMW.
Let's get that straight.
A cell phone embedded in a deployed airbag attached to the steering wheel of a BMW.
Does that say 90s or what?
Weston and Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Please turn your radio off.
Yes, it's off.
Okay.
How are you?
Well, reasonably well.
I got a little pain in my right elbow, but otherwise I'm okay.
Okay.
Where are you?
Alberta.
You're in a very noisy place, aren't you?
Yeah, in a truck.
I see.
And how are we this evening?
I just wanted to phone you to tell you that I listen to your show a lot.
The entertainment value is great.
And I don't know if I have to take everything really seriously.
Me either.
That's right.
And that's something that some people have to learn and probably never will.
My good friend Jim Bohannon would be one of them.
He says, loosely, in other words, not everything in the world must be biopically in talk radio politics.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1997.
The first song is a tribute to the late John Lewis.
The song is a tribute to the late John Lewis.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM, from July 3rd, 1997.
I suspect it's the only thing that's gonna keep the bad guys away.
Love.
Good morning.
Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
Why does it seem that evil spirits seem to come through Ouija boards?
Some people claim that they use the Ouija board and nothing adverse happens.
However, it's my opinion that somehow it opens a door and there seem to be evil spirits just waiting for that opportunity for somebody to be sensitive enough that they can take over some of their control.
They'll change and start showing their true colors.
Now we take you back to the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Alright, this is from an Oregon paper, I'm not sure which one.
It is an Associated Press article.
Dateline Newport, Oregon, dying seabirds along the Oregon coast are considered a warning sign of ominous changes in the Pacific Ocean that may have potentially disastrous effects for the environment.
The common mure is starving and washing up on beaches at eight times the normal rate because the birds are not finding enough to eat during the nesting season.
Their most stressful time of year, if Oregon's most numerous seabird is in trouble.
We know things are bad out there, said Roy Lowe, a biologist with the US Fish and Wildlife Service.
Food is scarce because spring did not bring the vital northerly winds that power ocean upwelling.
So, in nearly every area that we look, Environmentally, we are undergoing very rapid change, or if you wish, a quickening.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yeah, how you doing, Art?
This is Phil from Chicago.
Hi, Phil.
I remember somebody called you earlier in the night about somebody who had another piece that was on a Sci-Fi Channel special.
Oh, yes.
His name was Lee Lee Chargall, I think it was.
Lee Chargall, yes, I've interviewed Lee Chargall.
Yeah, and the piece was like, it was square on the outside, but it had a round hole in it, and it beveled out.
And it was only, I'd say, maybe two by two.
And the hole was like about an inch and a half on the top, and about maybe an inch and a quarter on the bottom where it got smaller.
And he said that it was pure aluminum, but the inside of it had like a A small layer of glass around it.
Huh.
So when I heard that, I just wanted to clear that up.
And that special is going to be on again, I think, Saturday, sometime in the afternoon.
Well, then I'll be able to check it out.
There.
All right.
OK, you take it easy.
All right.
Thank you.
From the Windy City.
Gee, I wonder with all the changes if it's still windy there.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hold on there.
Hi, this is Tommy.
Yes, Charlie.
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that guy that captured the spirit with some contraption on the walls.
Yes.
Do you remember?
Oh, of course.
Did you hear anything better about that?
No follow-up.
I tried to get a hold of him.
He gave me a number and I called it numerous times and was unable to get any answer.
Yeah, we heard that he got beat up and all that, huh?
That's right.
By, what is it, MBI's or something?
Men in black?
Yes.
Oh, I was going to ask you something else.
You're due south of the center of the earth.
The official center of the earth.
Have you heard of the center of the earth?
Well, I can imagine the center of the earth.
What are you talking about?
It's an official pyramid, which you are due south, ten miles from the Mexican border.
Really?
Yeah, it is, and it's official towards the French government and the Chinese government on that.
Huh.
And they have certain people there, and they've built an altar with rocks and such, and if you take a rock, your car won't start.
And this person who has built this altar will come out, and he has placed it exactly where you picked it up.
And your car would automatically start up again.
Weird.
It is weird, yeah.
Very weird.
They don't put the rock in the exhaust pipe or anything?
No, no, no.
You can't take a rock from there or else your car won't start or anything like that.
I understand, alright.
Well, thank you.
That's weird.
But that's one I would have to see to believe.
Well, there's something about putting potatoes in exhaust pipes.
I think that has bad results.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, this is Greg in Seattle.
How you doing?
I'm just wondering if you still sell the Levitron?
Yes, we do.
It's advertised on Dreamland Sundays.
Because I'd just like to say that my dad bought me that, and it's a really neat toy.
It is.
You should turn your radio off.
Okay, how's that?
Better.
Okay, yeah.
The Levitron not only is still sold, but now there is a Super Levitron that flies twice as high, and there is now the Levitron Perpetuator, which is a pulsing device which keeps the Levitron going forever.
Okay, and also, what was that music?
It's called the Ballerina something you had playing?
Little Ballerina Blue.
Little Ballerina Blue.
That's right.
Because I like that.
So do I. Okay, thanks a lot.
Take care.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
There she is.
Hey.
Oh, thanks.
At 2.30, did you go out and talk to Mona?
Uh, no.
You know what?
I was at your house.
This is so weird.
And you know what?
you're going to be no thinking about that he didn't think you read
you can argue to and need you and mona and i think we're going
yeah do you think that could be true
i don't know and then all of a sudden this
weird uh...
found happened and that you're going to keep the common
i think it's i think it could happen i think uh... if one twenty-one st
no you want to be one twin developed inside another twin it
could occur in and somehow that second twin
could attach itself to the fact that i'm talking about after projection
Huh?
That's possible?
It's like I was right there.
Well, you weren't, though, because I didn't see her and I wasn't drinking orange juice.
So, wrong, wrong.
Okay, well, what if it happens later?
Well, then, uh, you're a time-traveling projectionist.
I don't know how I did that.
I don't know.
I don't know that you've done it.
Me neither.
That's really kind of hard to prove, huh?
Except for, though, I do know stuff that you eat.
And you know what else I really hate?
I quit smoking and you didn't.
Yeah, I hate it.
I'm like, ah, smoking.
So, you know, um, do you think I really could be the voice of a princess?
You know what?
I could own my own business and do that.
A goddess, I thought, not princess.
Well, whatever, that lady had a good idea.
Because I know how to do that.
Do you?
Well, you just talk.
You just talk?
Well, yeah, I imagine.
I'm a quick learner.
But I could own my own business.
What would it be called?
Voices in the Night.
You know, I could work at my house, just like you do.
Because you always keep saying, if you work for other people, you won't make money.
It's true.
Well, no, you'll make money.
Well, yeah, but... But you'll never really get ahead.
You know, like, I want to have a guy that comes to my house and tells me what to do with so much money that I have.
You know, sometimes I get the impression that he's stealing from you.
Who?
The guy that comes to your house to talk to you about your money.
I have no such guy.
Okay.
And I also... It's a she.
Oh, it's a girl?
Sorry.
This is not your night.
Sorry, it's somebody.
I mean, maybe if you get real lucky, I'll have a glass of orange juice when I get off.
If you do, you have to tell me.
You've mentally suggested it to me now.
I know, but listen.
Like, what if you see me?
Wave to me or something.
You mean like if I look down in the OJ and there you are swimming?
No, because I'm standing right next to Mona.
We're all going, yeah!
And I was like, oh.
And I kind of like woke up.
Isn't that strange?
Yes.
Have you ever done it?
No.
Why not?
I just answered your question.
I don't know.
I haven't done it.
You ask me, have I ever done it?
No.
Well, you ought to try it.
You know why?
Why?
Well, because it's, like, cheaper than regular travel.
It's good for the Earth.
I travel enough as it is.
I'm going to be going to Alaska and then Egypt and everything, so... I know.
You think it, um... Maybe, maybe when I stop doing these cruises, I'll give it a shot.
You're going to stop doing cruises?
I said, when I do.
Well, everything has a life, right?
Are they going to let you on shore in Egypt?
That's what I wanted to know.
Well, I imagine they would let me on shore.
The question is whether I would get back on the ship or not is the question.
We're going to have to see, thank you, how Egypt resolves itself.
I would imagine the Antiquities Director at Giza is not altogether happy with me at the moment.
However, a lot of things can occur between now and then.
To Egypt I shall go.
In all probability, I will go to Giza.
I may not be fully comfortable about it, but I will go.
By the way, if anybody out there wants to check on either one of our cruises, it's coming up quick now.
Alaska, an incredible cruise, coming up August 23rd.
And then, uh, October 1st to Egypt, and Rome, and Greece, and the Greek Isles, and Pompeii, and oh boy, we'll be all over the place.
Both of these cruises are incredible.
And the way you can find out about them is to call 1-800- Oh, no.
I've forgotten it again.
I know the last four are 71.
This is really the pits.
I used to be able to have this number memorized and now I've got a hundred of it.
I think I've found it here.
Here we go.
I live in fear of giving out a wrong number.
number 1-800-633-2732 or 1-800-633-2732.
1.
I guess that is the main number.
1-800-848-7120.
Now they are full, but what you might be able to do is, you know, if somebody drops out, they're filling in the blank spots.
So the cruises are all booked up, but if you get on a list, there's a high probability, you know, that something will happen.
I mean, you don't want to Benefit by somebody's misfortune, but things occur in life, and then all of a sudden you can't go.
So, there you are, 1-800-848-7120.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning, Mr. Bell.
Good morning.
This is Robert from San Joaquin Valley, California.
Yes, sir.
First of all, I want to congratulate you on the award, that number one award that you won.
Well, it was Best Male Talk Show Host of the Year Award.
I know, that's great.
Well, you deserve it.
You earned it.
Thank you.
I have something here, an article.
I've got a few things, if you don't mind.
I don't know if this connects with the animal mutilations or not, but from the Associated Press, back in the latter part of 1995, and I kept this because I wanted to read it to you.
It's called biofarming, spelled B-I-O-P-H-A-R-M-I-N-G.
It said here that it If the FDA go ahead, says Washington, it sounds like science fiction milking enough medicine out of 10 genetically engineered goats to replace an entire pharmaceutical factory.
But some researchers consider milk medicines the future in affordable drugs.
And last week the Food and Drug Administration quietly signaled it is ready to go into business with bio farmers.
The FDA issued the nation's first guidelines Great.
Just let me run right out and get some goat's milk.
make up has been altered by scientists.
Great.
And that was back in the latter part of 1995.
I've never heard another word about it.
Just let me run right out and get some goats milk.
Yum yum.
I just wonder if with all of these animal mutilations, all this secrecy, is it possible
that these companies are actually quietly, without the red tape, running checks through
the blood of various animals in different parts of the world for reasons such as this?
Anything is possible.
Okay, there's one other thing that I did want to mention to you.
When Richard Holman mentioned about July the 20th?
Yes.
I heard a report that on July the 20th, in Arizona, in a secret area that is completely being guarded, that some sort of a craft is to land and 12 individuals from different parts of the world brings Whatever is to meet with whomever is to emerge from the craft.
Have you heard anything about that?
No.
Well, I don't know what it's about, but I've heard it from you.
Sounds like a Sheldon Nidalism to me.
Yeah, probably.
But I mainly just wanted to congratulate you on that award.
That's great.
All right.
Thank you very much, and take care.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
How are you, Art?
I am fine.
Okay.
This is Brian from East Hampton, Connecticut.
Yes, sir.
I hope Richard Hoglunds and Robert Boval at all might be listening to this.
I'm a member of the ARE, have been for 20 years, and in the Edgar Cayce readings it says that the person who built the Hall of Records and designed it and put the records in there is the same person who will remove the records from the hall when the time comes, and that same person's face is the one on the sphinx.
That's what Casey had to say.
The ARE puts out a bi-monthly publication called Venture Inward which has a lot of their research and what's going on with the ARE in it.
Last week I got the latest copy of it and I was astounded to see on the front of it there is a picture of the face of the Sphinx and right under it A gentleman with his face angled exactly the same way.
Now, nothing was said in the article about it, but I can see what they're implying.
The gentleman standing beneath the Sphinx is none other than Zahi Hawass.
Now, to me, this says that the ARE people might be suspecting, or maybe they're convinced, that Hawass is the man.
I think that... Joe, what I needed to hear, you're trying to...
Help me to be more comfortable to go to Giza, aren't you?
Well, yeah.
I want you to feel at ease.
I don't know if the ARE people... I absolutely cannot get over the fact that, out of the blue, I got a framed photograph of Zahi Hawass, personally autographed to me, which says, Art, thanks for all your help.
Zahi Hawass.
I'm telling you, it's like finding a horse head in your bed.
Oh, no.
I'm serious.
It arrived in a frame from Egypt.
What does that mean?
How would you take it if you were me?
About like a horse head?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've heard some people that know him say he's not a bad guy.
I've heard that, but then I've heard other things, too.
There have been things said.
Let's face it.
We have an allegation that Zahi, and it would have to involve Zahi, is proceeding with a secret dig from the king's to the queen's chamber, which would be a very serious thing, if true.
We've had other occasions comment on Zahi and not once can I recall was it necessarily or particularly favorable.
So when I got that I kind of freaked out.
You know, Casey, I don't understand why, if we're looking exclusively for the Hall of Records here, if that's what the goal is, why they're digging in the pyramid Because the Casey readings, I mean, this is the shore expedition and all of that, that's involved with the ARE, is that correct?
Yes, I believe so.
All right, and these are probably the people... Well, the answer is, though, that there was a room which apparently they put, could have been accessed, but they put metal bars up, and there was no way that Zahi or anybody else could get to it.
And the only way to get to it was to come to it from above.
So, that's what I've heard.
I mean, that's what Richard Hoagland had on the air.
And we've got photographs indicating that's true.
Do you have access to the web?
Yeah, I'm on it now.
By the way, that's a very nice shirt you've got on.
Oh, thank you.
According to the Casey material, and I'm not saying he's right about everything, but the Hall of Records is between one of the Sphinx's paws and the so-called Cheops Pyramid.
Right.
Not in either structure.
Right.
That may or may not turn out to be true.
Who knows?
What knowledge do you think we will recover should we get to the Hall of Records?
Well, according to the only information I have, a complete accurate history of the world, the way it really was handed down from the Atlantean influence.
Do you think if we actually found that we could handle it or they would suppress it?
Well, I think that... Quick answer!
Okay, we're in the age of Aquarius now, and what that means is there's going to be no more BS to hide behind.
Alright, tell America goodnight.
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