Art Bell hosts Linda Moulton Howe and Budd Hopkins as they dissect Roswell’s 1947 crash, with Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids set to reveal isotopic tests proving non-Earth origin of "BizMAG" debris—silver-black layered alloys baffling six institutions. Hopkins details a 1989 NYC abduction case involving three extraterrestrial entities (EBEs) witnessed by security agents escorting a high-profile figure, dismissing skepticism through cross-verified accounts and psychiatric expert testimonies. The episode ties alien tech to human evolution, critiques government cover-ups, and explores suppressed evidence like the Hall of Records’ alleged location beneath the Sphinx, where Cayce’s prophecies clash with Zahi Hawass’s controversial actions. Meanwhile, callers debate reverse speech, Mars Pathfinder’s July 4 landing, and unsettling phenomena, from blue Moroccan stones to animal mutilations linked to BioFarming experiments—suggesting a world where hidden forces shape science, history, and even daily life. [Automatically generated summary]
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As you know, the big confab is going on in Roswell.
I would guess, we'll get a report here in a minute, but I would guess tens of thousands of people are descending on Roswell, probably doubling, tripling, or quadrupling its normal population.
And there is a bit of intrigue underway.
I had a call of, well, actually, first I received a news release and had a call from Chris Wyatt, formerly of CBS, and now in apparent partnership with Paul Davids, the executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell.
And he said, well, I note you read our press release.
I said, yes.
He was wondering how much press coverage it was getting and concerned that it wasn't getting as much as he would like.
And I said, well, why don't you come on the program and without spilling all the beans, whatever your beans are, at least give it a tease and give us a little idea of what you're going to be announcing in the morning.
And he said, okay, fine.
And I want to put this all in perspective for you.
Let me now read you that announcement once again, because we are hours from the announcement.
It is entitled Scientific Proof to be Presented That an Extraterrestrial Craft Was Recovered Near Roswell, New Mexico.
CNI News received the following press release from Houston-based researcher Darrell Sims on June 30th.
CNI News will report further details of the story following the scheduled press conference July 4th.
Dateline Roswell, New Mexico, June 30th, 97.
A press conference scheduled for 9 a.m., July 4th, 1997 at the Pearson Auditorium.
It says here Rearson, but I believe it's Pearson Auditorium on the New Mexico Military Institute campus in Roswell, New Mexico is going to present the results of scientific tests performed on crashed debris found near Roswell, New Mexico 50 years ago that once and for all prove that the downed vehicle was not of Earth origin.
A research scientist from a major university involved in the testing will be on hand to discuss the methodology and results of the isotopic ratio tests.
And this is very important, folks.
Isotopic ratio tests, Linda will explain them shortly, will tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt, or for the most part beyond any shadow of a doubt, whether something is of Earth origin or not.
At any rate, of the isotopic ratio tests of the Roswell debris, supporting conclusions and a battery of tests conducted by universities and national laboratories will be provided that conclude the Roswell debris is manufactured material of extraterrestrial origin.
Paul Davids, executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell, is sponsoring the presentation of the evidence during his program at the 50th anniversary.
Along with images of the actual Roswell crash debris, the chain of evidence will also be presented validating the Roswell incident as the recovery of a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle.
So the day went by and I didn't hear from Chris Wyatt.
So I got hold of Paul Davids' office and put a call in, got his motel room in Roswell, and put in a call to Paul Davids.
I was asleep when he returned the call.
My wife answered.
He said, well, we're not going to say anything.
In other words, they're ducking out us.
And they've decided they're not going to say anything until tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock.
So we really have no way of knowing exactly what is going to be announced at 9 a.m.
Other than what I just read you.
Now what I have coming up in a moment, well let me tell you what's ahead in the evening, is first Linda Moulton Howe, who is presently at Roswell and has been talking with some of the individuals involved.
And then coming up, following Linda, we've got another famous person present now at Roswell, Bud Hopkins, author of Intruders, Missing Time, expert on abductions.
Latest book is Witness.
We'll talk a bit about the Betty and Barney Hill story and all the rest of that, and no doubt, the goings-on at Roswell.
So there you are.
That's the setup.
That's where we are.
We were to hear something about this press release, but for some reason, at the last minute, they chose not to come forward.
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Now we take you back to the night of July 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time All right, one more thing that I want the audience to know.
And that is, during, well, let's see, I received what we affectionately call arts parts, made up of bismuth and magnesium, about 15 months ago or more.
And during the course of that 15 months, when Chris Wyatt was with CBS, he contacted us, plural, as in myself, and Linda Moulton Howe, and was for a time working with us.
Since leaving CBS, he apparently has connected with Paul Davids in some regard.
And so we're not exactly sure what the nature of the announcement tomorrow is going to be, but Chris Wyatt was aware, quite aware, of the BizMAG investigation ongoing.
And by the way, it still is, and that's what you're about to get updated on.
So now to Roswell, New Mexico, and Linda Moulton Howe.
Yeah, the timing in all this is extraordinary and perhaps a little bit strange.
The last three hours, I have been at a cocktail party that was held by the mayor of Roswell.
And during that cocktail party, both Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids and I talked about what it is that they're planning to do tomorrow morning.
And I said, let's go on coast to coast tonight and let's talk about this because, and this may be part of the irony of the timing.
I have been trying to do the most solid research that I could on abysmus magnesium outside of any spotlight and not doing anything prematurely and making sure that we had all our ducks in a row and that we had hard, hard-edged information that I could report periodically.
Linda, before we launch into that, there's a large audience out there, frankly because I haven't been talking about it a lot, that doesn't even know what we're talking about.
You received the first letter, and then somewhere we had five letters, one to me and four to both of us, sort of, all having to do with radio reports that I was doing after we received two different shipments,
one that appeared to be all almost 100% aluminum pieces, and then a second shipment of a very strange series of a half a dozen or so of material that was about two inches long, an inch to an inch and a half wide, quarter of an inch deep, silver on one side, black on the other.
And when we did a series of tests, actually six institutions now have analyzed the same elemental composition.
We've done Carnegie Institute analysis of the isotope composition in Washington.
Everybody has found the same thing.
They were dealing with thin layers of bismuth and almost pure magnesium, a little zinc in that layer alternating, and that the bismuth and the magnesium do not have any other elemental composition in between them.
There's nothing that's bonding.
No oxygen has been discovered.
And that these alternating layers are so thin that the bismuth layer alone is about half the size of a human blood cell.
A human blood cell with seven microns, the bismuth layer is ranging from one to four microns.
And this is a very interesting point.
Right from the very beginning, the first professor that I sent this material to to do a scanning electron microscope photograph of and to do what's called electronic dispersive spectroscopy to look at elemental composition called me and said, there is a strange wavy pattern going through the bismuth and the magnesium zinc.
And he, in fact, at this university, he called in a geologist to look at this.
And they were always puzzled.
And right from the beginning, the question was, how was this material made?
And we had one man who tried to make it four different attempts with what was called vacuum vapor deposition and never was able to reproduce it.
Just in the last week, this is how thin the timing is on this.
And I'm assuming that this audience, but that's right, it was the Dreamland audience who heard the montages that I did at Sandia Labs in Los Alamos and the metals manufacturers and the universities and all the people that we've gone to in the last 15 months who unanimously, 100%, have said that they had no precedence For engineering anything with bismuth and magnesium in micron layers.
And it led up to, in the last two months, I did something quietly with the help of an attorney.
We filed Freedom of Information Act requests with 13 agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, all the Army, Air Force, Navy, Wright-Patterson, Phillips, a whole series of labs,
and the National Science Foundation and NASA and across the board to the specs of the 1 to 4 microns bismuth, 100 to 200 microns magnesium mostly and a little zinc, and giving the parameters, we have come to that no one anywhere has any reference to these elements being used together in thin layers.
And the last letter on that came from Wright-Patterson, which interestingly enough, 50 years ago probably was front and center receiver of strange technology that was retrieved from crashed objects here in New Mexico and other areas.
And today is the last letter in a series of 13 that we received on this strange material that we've got saying that they had no reference and that they were referring me back to agencies that we had already filed FOIA requests to who had no information.
So all of that was something that I was going to talk about with you tonight or tomorrow night independent of Paul David and Chris Wyatt.
And to let the audiences know in Coast to Coast, in Dreamland, that on Saturday here in Roswell at 2 o'clock in the Pearson Auditorium, my entire presentation is going to be the best slides, the best videotape, and the best spectra that we have on this mysterious bismuth magnesium layered material that after 15 months no one knows precisely how it was made or what its function could be, but there's been a lot of speculation.
So it was very surprising to me tonight to hear from two people, one of which is Chris Wyatt, who had been actively involved in the evolution of the research that we were doing on the business magnesium.
And that they would do a press conference tomorrow asserting that they had absolute proof that they had extraterrestrial material.
Now, I personally will be standing with my hands clapping if the evidence that they have are abnormal isotope ratios or anything that would stand up in front of the National Science Foundation and the National Academy of Sciences that this is truly not of this Earth.
One of the problems that we all have is coming up with the hardest data that can be presented to scientists worldwide that either the isotope ratios are completely anomalous or that there is something that is truly not terrestrial in terms of explanation.
Now would you explain to the audience how it is possible to do isotope testing that will conclusively tell a person that what they're holding or what they have is not from Earth?
I took this material down there first of all to look at the magnesium layer because in the 50s there was quite a large eyewitness sighting of something coming through the sky over what was called Uba Tuba outside of Sao Pao, Brazil, of something, some sort of an object that many, many witnesses claimed exploded and that pieces came down on the beach.
And there were a series of stories done through a newspaper contacting some scientists and a series of tests were done.
And the bottom line was that whatever this material was that was collected from a beach in Brazil appeared in approximately 1957 to be 100% magnesium-26.
And when I say that, I'm talking about an isotope that relates to the number of neutrons and protons at the center of the molecule of the magnesium with a certain number of electrons on the outside.
In Earth, terrestrial magnetism has approximately 80% of what's called magnesium isotope 24 and approximately 10% of magnesium-25 and about 10% of magnesium-26.
That's the normal so-called magnesium metal on the Earth.
And it can range in different percentages of that give or take.
Now when I went to Carnegie and we did the isotope study on our bismuth magnesium material, it turned out that in the magnesium that we were dealing with, in the material that we have, it's the actual physical material, there was about 11% more magnesium-26 than there would be in what we would call terrestrial magnesium ore, but not outside of terrestrial parameters.
What was interesting in our test was six times the Carnegie what's called ion microprobe expert and the one who was doing the test, he was puzzled by the fact that our magnesium bismuth sample emitted 66 zeros, 60 times more ions than his controlled magnesium metal.
It has never been totally explained why the material that we have, and you've got now too, is why does it emit 60 times the number of ions?
And I have talked with a whole series of scientists just in the last three or four months talking about this whole issue of certain crystal faces and the construction and crystal face construction and why this might occur.
And this gets into some of the newest work that I'm Trying to do quietly until we have hard, hard data.
But the suggestion is that the material we have may have been done with something that is called laser welding.
It is part of research that's being done in IBM and other areas, and laser welding has been one of these, we'll call it one of the more advanced areas in high technology on our planet.
And one of the interesting aspects of laser welding, which means putting metallic layers together with lasers, is that you will end up with that wavy, corrugated pattern that has always puzzled people about the material that we have.
Now, another aspect is the question that many people, scientists that I've sent this material to or we have shown the spectra to, they've all said there has to be a bonding agent.
And we've never found oxygen.
We've never found anything between these layers.
What is holding the bismuth and the magnesium zinc together?
Well, it turns out that in some of these areas now of nanotechnology and thin layers, if you get down to one to four microns of layering certain metals together, we will get into electron bonding between the atoms themselves.
Well, I tell you, as I landed at the airport this afternoon, the plane that we were in, a small commuter out of Albuquerque, hit a patch of cumulonimbus that sent that plane up so high and down so low about 12 times that I thought, oh my God, this is it.
I'm going to die in this place 50 years after.
Well, that same cumulonimbus apparently hit with strong winds this afternoon.
And one of the people here has lived here a long time said, you know, we haven't had any rain.
And then we hit this weekend, and now we're having a thunderstorm.
Well, when we went to the mayor's cocktail party, that huge cloud was filled with lightning going on and off.
And it's probably still out there, reminded me exactly of the scenes in Spielberg's encounter of the fourth kind that first premiered, I think, in 1978 or 79 and caused such a sensation on this earth.
And I thought, how appropriate that they haven't had rain here for weeks.
And here is the night that everybody is gathering, and we've got a cloud that will not quit with lightning inside hanging right over the city of Roswell.
And I'm not saying there's a craft in there.
I'm just saying that the lightning and the thunder tonight, even to the locals, was a dramatic opening to the next two or three days.
And I would not say that it looks like Woodstock.
You don't have people every square inch of every square mile.
But the town from one end, from the airport driving in to the other, is absolutely chock full of jokes and or visual displays or something having to do with the whole issue.
Did something of a non-human intelligence come down here in this area in 1947 or the 40s into the 50s and maybe multiple times in multiple places and the entire city, everywhere, everything is around that theme.
Where the military has to reach for those kinds of phrases to try to explain what is their third effort to explain something in which they are actually admitting there were bodies.
Well and coming back to this whole issue of proof, hard proof of unusual metallic material, one of the things that Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids told me tonight is that they do have one sample piece in which a Stanford University professor said that there were more than 20 elements and that there were some of those elements in which the isotope ratios were not terrestrial.
Now to me, the challenge is, is the Stanford professor willing to show scanning electron microscope pictures with what we call that EDS, that electronic dispersive spectroscopy or wave dispersive spectroscopy or liquid, anything that will show exactly in a scientific way what those elements are, what those isotopes are.
Were you surprised, Linda, were you surprised that when you approached them tonight and said, let's go on the air, they had suddenly decided not to do so?
What I was going to say is that if they have material that is solid science that can stand up anywhere on this planet at the press conference tomorrow, we all should be standing there cheering.
What I'm concerned about is that it's one thing to have enthusiasm.
It's another thing to have enough evidence that will prove to the mainstream media and to scientists that we have something without calling wolf too many times.
That's why I prefer to work as best I can more quietly until we have hard pieces and then report those hard pieces.
Now, if the Stanford scientist is here tomorrow and has all of the evidence and they've got a 26 element piece.
And tonight at the party, when I asked Chris, are you talking about exactly the parameters of what we've got?
One to four microns pure bismuth layered with 97.6% magnesium, 2.4% zinc, and going for at least 25 layers as we have already photographed and measured, he said, basically, I can't confirm that it is exactly that.
So I would say that whatever it is that they are analyzing, that all of the Dreamland and coast-to-coast audience listening should at least say that there may be something that will have some hard physical data.
It may or may not have anything to do with the bismuth magnesium layered material that we received with letters from a man who claimed that his grandfather left them in a box with a journal in 1974 and was part of a security team in 1947 at a wedge-shaped,
delta-shaped vehicle, not round, but triangular-shaped, between the northwest corner of White Sands and Socorro.
This has nothing to do with the Foster Ranch between Corona and Roswell.
What we're dealing with is between White Sands and Socorro.
Everything so far art up to this point and all of the, I don't think that the people that I'm working with now on this material would be doing and willing to do what they're willing to do if we didn't have layered material that falls into a category of being at the stretching edge of technology that may relate to electrogravitic material.
In a circumstance that may have to do with pulsed magnetic fields or pulsed magnetic and or electrostatic fields with certain RF signals, this is what we are now.
We're going beyond the research we've done.
We're moving into other areas and we're moving into those areas because other scientists have told us this is the work, the cutting edge of what they're interested in, and so they want to try it on this material.
And I would say that the possibility that in a pulse magnetic field that this material might turn into that lifting body that that one man hinted at could be a potential out there if the scientists could find the right pulse frequency.
And that appears to be a part of the key when you're dealing with layered materials and the kind of fields that you put them in.
And what we're saying here Art is this is all the cutting edge of technology, at least as far as the civilian world is concerned.
Yeah, day after tomorrow, Saturday at 2 o'clock in the Milton-Pearson Auditorium.
I'm going to do a complete two-hour presentation on all the work that we've been able to do, slides, videotape, spectra on this material.
And I'm hoping also that out of this audience, if there's anybody who will have any other information, every step of the way, it seems like I'm always gaining some insight from somebody when I make public presentations.
And this is one of the opportunities here in Roswell.
And anybody listening in our Dreamland and coast-to-coast audiences who may be here or who may be coming, I would really welcome seeing you there.
And I think that what I'm going to present, I already know, rests in hard physical data that we all have and is substantial.
What I am concerned about is if we have material tomorrow at the press conference that we don't have hard data about, then it may be that it is a problem if we are not all reporting hard science when it comes to hard physical material.
And if they've got it, hooray.
But in terms of the bismuth magnesium, based on the conversations tonight, it sounded as if they may have something that is different and that what they really feel that they've got the strong material for is 26 some elements with perhaps some isotopic anomalies and where that specific crash or retrieval is from.
They haven't announced that either.
So tomorrow we'll learn what it is that they announce.
But to you and to our audiences, I think that the bismuth magnesium material that we have affectionately come to know as Art's Parts remains a baffling mystery but is somehow connected into the world of electrogravitics.
Based on what Chris said tonight, I think that's the 26-some elemental composition, which is something completely different from our layered bismuth magnesium.
But you know, Art, what this comes down to, if they've got the hard data, and if it can go to the scientific community, and if it begins to make some sort of a headway for this area, which is that there appears to be hard physical material that they are so anomalous that they deserve the kind of research that we've been doing on the business magnesium,
and it's paying off with the kind of research and the interest in scientists, it may not prove to psycops, but we are, inch by inch, we are beginning to find ourselves being able to lay out to a public that there is material and there are scientists and there are edges of scientific research which seem to be merging with this whole issue of a non-human
intelligence being the, if you want to say, being the reason for why we have this material.
And this is exactly what Colonel Corso lays out in his book, The Day After Ross.
On Sunday on Dreamland, and hopefully all will go well and we can talk with him for two hours at least.
So there is a kind of convergence and a kind of merging here in this 50th anniversary and yet at a time when the Air Force still has been trying to explain it all away as balloons and dummies.
And the most refreshing thing is I flew in with a producer from NBC and we were talking about the whole 50 years and all of the explanations and he turned to me and he said, you know, that most recent Air Force report, none of us are buying it.
I did a show last night, Linda, with Jamie Chanderet and a very, very interesting individual named Bon Johnson, Dr. Bon Johnson, who worked for the Star Telegram down in Texas and actually went into General Ramey's office and took the photographs.
And really, oh yeah, we interviewed him last night.
Well, he said that what he photographed was not a balloon and that in his opinion, and I'm just about exactly quoting him here, if it had been a balloon, that the general would have probably resigned rather than had his photograph taken with balloon debris.
And Colonel Corso, in his book, The Day After Roswell, has made it very clear that our government felt that it was over a barrel in all directions coming out of World War II, faced with total unknowns,
both in bodies alive and dead, and craft that had no understandable technology, and that the only safe course that they could devise at the time in the 40s to keep any advanced technology out of the hands of perceived Cold War enemies or hot war enemies and to keep what they considered to be a status quo in the mass population to prevent any kind of mass panic was a policy of
silence which for right or wrong has been for 50 years in place and apparently still is.
But in this strange effort to trot out these 1950 dummies, they are in a strange way admitting that there were bodies.
And then B, tomorrow evening, if it seems appropriate, to bring you on for a short time to give me, to give everybody your assessment of the scientific validity of what is presented tomorrow.
Right, and it may be that they've got the real goods on that one multiple, multiple element one, and that our bismuth magnesium material may in itself be a separate part because even the letter writer himself said that the bismuth magnesium material his grandfather wrote in his diary came from only the underside of this wedge-shaped object.
And we received aluminum pieces, remember, in the first shipment.
And whatever that they're presenting tomorrow, if it's multiple elemental composition, may have come either from a different part, a different craft, anything.
Linda Moulton Howe, Emmy Award-winning documentary producer, investigator of crop circles and animal mutilations and strange metal parts and talk show hosts.
Coming up shortly, Bud Hopkins.
Great to have Bud here.
Intruders, Missing Time, and his latest, Witness.
So we've got a kind of a loaded evening, if you will.
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Why does it seem that evil spirits seem to come through Ouija boards?
Some people claim that they use the Ouija board and nothing adverse happens.
However, it's my opinion that somehow it opens a door and there seem to be evil spirits just waiting for that opportunity for somebody to be sensitive enough that they can take over some of their control.
They'll change and start showing their true colors.
Now we take you back to the night of July 3, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And where we left off is the irony that when the Air Force trotted out yet a third alleged closed case explanation for what might have happened in the corona crash at least, not even discussing any of the other sites, they would trot out these dummy bodies from the 50s to explain something in which there are dozens and dozens of eyewitnesses from 1947 at least.
And this, ironically, says that the government in a funny backhand sort of way is acknowledging bodies of some sort.
Well, that was the 40s into the 50s.
And at least in the modern age, this issue of first human descriptions of something falling into a non-human or extraterrestrial biological entity category, that is a government phrase that is used, the EBANs, was the Betty and Barney Hill case in 1961 in New Hampshire.
And with me is Bud Hopkins, a man who has been in the trenches on this difficult story of the human abduction syndrome now since at least the end of the 1970s, has done two of the most important books in the literature, The Groundbreaking, Missing Time, and Intruders, the newest book, Having to Do Witness with an Extraordinary Case in New York.
And here in Roswell, at the 50th anniversary of trying to remind us, really, that something extraordinary happened in these deserts around here, he is going to be discussing the whole issue of the evolution of non-human,
extraterrestrial biological entities as they have been described in the human abduction syndrome, not only in this century, but going back, or at least the last 50 years, but going back perhaps even earlier.
And I'm now going to introduce a man that I have known since I did a strange harvest in 1980 when his book, Missing Time, came out.
I have known and respected this man for a very long time.
And Bud Hopkins, the man who has made us pay attention to the fact that a non-human intelligence appears to have been interacting with humans for a very long time, and here he is.
Well, it's more the evolution of their interaction with us than their own personal evolution, which I don't think any of us really know very much about.
But the thing that's really fascinating is, of course, there were UFO sightings from eons ago, and some of which are quite interesting back in the Middle Ages and so forth.
But I think the real kind of modern whole series of UFO sightings that were really taken very seriously began in World War II when we thought they were some kind of Nazi secret weapon, the so-called Sou-Fighters.
And then, of course, when we started capturing German pilots who said, what are those things, those disks that you send up following our plane?
We realized they weren't German.
And of course, we go on into Roswell and the 1947 wave and the 52 wave and so forth and so on.
But I think that the one thing that wasn't really being looked at very seriously is exactly what they're doing if they're flying around.
And I think Roswell could be regarded as a crash of a getaway car at a time when nobody yet figured out what the crime was.
In a certain sense, human beings have always been the object of the UFO occupants' interest.
And I think that, of course, the abduction phenomenon, which the public tends to think of as somehow beginning with the Betty Barney Hill case, the 1961 case that came to light in 1966, but it was just, of course, the first one that's come to light.
And I've worked with two people who had abduction cases in the 1920s.
And they're totally classic cases with every kind of post-traumatic stress disorder symptom showing up.
This was in a little town near New York City, Rockland County.
She saw a kind of glint of light, even though it was somewhat overcast and looked up and there was this very large object that she said looked like a kind of balloon, a dirigible.
Except she said the thing was metal and it was just above the trees and it was quite huge.
And she watched in fascination and these small figures started floating down from this huge object and she got of course terrified at that point because they were staring at her, big eyes.
I mean all very classic things.
And this woman of course when I interviewed her in the 1970s was elderly and was not at all familiar with this material.
And at any rate she ran from the object, from these figures and the next thing she knew she was quaking in terror and her mother was calling and she had been something like two hours late for coming in for dinner.
And she had no account of where she'd been for those two hours.
Here's a missing time classic case.
And she found that she had a deep cut on her right leg that she didn't remember how it was formed and there was no blood.
The cut was holding together.
And from that point on, she began having all kinds of psychological problems, fears.
She used to go up in the attic.
She had a certain little place she would make her own little place to go and play.
She was terrified ever to go in the attic, never would do it again.
She would never stay at home by herself, even though at the age of seven she did frequently.
She insisted her parents be there with her.
There were all kinds of problems.
Anyway, on and on it went.
But it's just one more case that could have happened, of course, yesterday here in the United States rather than back in the 1920s.
And it's possible, of course, that motives have changed over the period of time, over the many centuries.
I feel in a very intense way that this whole thing is speeding up, that the interaction might have been very, very rare, very sparse in years before.
Alan Hayek made the suggestion that if we went on into the 25th century and NASA had developed all kinds of amazing craft, that we might have objects that are not manned objects, but that have traveled to other solar systems and are monitoring those various planets at various solar systems if these are the planets where the conditions for life really obtain.
And they would simply sort of notice how things are developing.
And he said, of course, if intelligent life begins to develop someplace, maybe our advanced NASA would send in a more intense series of surveillance craft and ultimately perhaps would land.
And ultimately, of course, he said, once that planet might be on the verge of space travel itself and having developed atomic energy is becoming possibly a threat, maybe at that point there is a very, very serious surveillance and study of that planet.
So in a certain sense, the involvement with the planet and with life forms there would be changing over the years.
But what seems to happen now to me is that the whole attempt, and I think this is central to the entire UFO phenomenon, the attempt of the UFO occupants to create some kind of a hybrid mix between humans and aliens, that that whole process is speeding up and in a way that's rather alarming.
It also of course suggests a reason why there would be alien interest in us that would be maintained in a covert way over quite a period of time.
Because since we're not fruit flies, if you were working generation after generation within the same family, within the same bloodline, you, I mean, this in a very simple-minded way, you mix half-alien,
half-human characteristics, and then that particular mix is, hybrid mix is reunited again with a fully human ovum or sperm, and you would get then something that's three-quarters human and only one-quarter alien.
It would take many generations to bring this particular hybrid mix closer and closer to resembling human beings.
And I think that the evidence would suggest that this is exactly what's going on, and for some reason the UFO occupants need to create this hybrid mix for whatever purposes we do not know.
Well, and there's certainly no reason to assume that there couldn't be we couldn't have been helped along on our development towards intelligent, upright life, and so forth by aliens from the outside.
There's been, of course, infinite amount of speculation about this over the years, but we don't really know for sure.
It's called The Quickening from a Layman's Point of View, which looks at nearly every aspect of human endeavor from politics to social behavior to the economy to the environment.
And I called it The Quickening because I observed, simply and documented, that in nearly every aspect of human behavior, we're experiencing a quickening.
Things are exponentially getting faster and faster and faster.
And well, I mean, technologically, I mean, it's an exponential jump.
I mean, when you think of where technology was in 1947, say, where it is now, it's just incredible.
And, of course, I think that a great deal of that is just intrinsic to the process of scientific development.
I don't know that you have to posit alien interference there, but certainly this intermix with human beings, which seems to me to be central and really quite an alarming aspect of all of it, gives a motivation for maintaining a whole covert attack, so to speak.
The thing incidentally that I wrote about in my book Witnessed, which is just now out as a paperback, has to do with a UFO abduction that was not only witnessed, but it was deliberately, it seemed to me, staged so that many important people and independent witnesses would see what they could do.
It's the first time we've had any report that I'm aware of that would seem to be like the mythical idea of the landing on the White House lawn.
And it seems to herald a new development in their attitude towards even earthly government.
Witnessed is about a case where a woman was seen floating out a 12-story window with three alien figures in a downtown New York apartment building at 3.15 in the morning.
Wow.
This was back in 1989.
And I have witnesses to all or part of this incident at five different locations.
Automobile engines stopped.
And of course, there isn't all that much traffic or all that many people up and about at 3.15 on a weeknight in New York, but there's still plenty of people.
But people who were driving across the Brooklyn Bridge, on the FDR Drive, South Street, some of the neighborhood streets, car engines stopped.
But the most important aspect of who stopped was that there was a particular small procession of cars which had just left a late-night meeting at the UN, and they were heading down towards Governor's Island to move on to another meeting elsewhere.
And these important political figures all had their automobile engines die and witnessed this.
Well, I have, as I said, I have witnesses at five different locations who saw all a part of this.
And in terms of the aftermath of this case, which is ongoing because of the involvement of all these people who were really principals in it, the book that I've written deals with about 20 different individuals who were enmeshed in this case, one level or another.
And of course, the wonderful thing from the point of view of presenting this as evidence is that this case wipes out any possible explanation that the skeptics have come up with, which are usually sleep paralysis and illusions and everything.
I guess that says something about the publicity department at Pocket Books, my publisher.
At any rate, this case occurred, the incident occurred, the central incident, on November 30, 1989, and that was a date in the real center of the breakup of the Soviet Union when all kinds of international events were boiling left and right.
It was the day that, for instance, that Gorbachev met with the Pope.
It was the day before Bush began his summit meeting with Gorbachev at Malta.
And there was a general strike across Czechoslovakia.
This was really a wild time internationally.
And at that moment, it seemed the UFO occupants decided to stop this procession, which contained some very, very important political figures, more or less to show what they could do.
You know, Art, and you know this as well as any of us, the major weapon that the skeptics have used over the years, I think, to try to attack all of the work that we do is essentially witness intimidation.
If they can make it seem so ludicrous and ridiculous, a subject, that anybody who says he's participated or she's seen this or witnessed that is automatically a figure of fun, then you can pretty much make sure that anybody is up for tenure at a university or trying to get a government contract or whatever it may be.
I mean, the story he's telling in that book, that'll take your breath away, all right.
Oh, gosh.
How that could have occurred and that information have been gathered and not have become public before now is incredible.
Anyway, very quickly, let me note for my audience that my book, The Quickening, the one I talked about a little while ago with Bud, is going to be generally available in stores in late August and early September nationwide.
And we are now at the final, and I mean the final opportunity for you to get a signed first edition copy of the book.
What's going to happen is now through Dreamland this coming Sunday with, by the way, Colonel Philip Corzo, you can get a signed first edition copy.
Back now to Roswell, where there is a gathering of the Eagles, and one of them is Bud Hopkins, whose name you should know very well indeed, wrote Intruders, Missing Time, and now this incredible new book called Witnessed.
Bud, from Salt Lake City, I've got a fax here, begging you, and I have to recall a lot of the audience is younger, asks, what is a Foo fighter?
Well, during World War II, both in the Pacific theater and the European theater, American pilots reported these objects coming up near their planes that ranged in size from being quite small, maybe a foot or two across, all the way up to very, very large disks.
Sometimes they seem to be light, sometimes they seem to be solid objects, especially in the daytime.
These things would almost attach themselves to the wing tips of the planes and fly along and then zoom away.
And there was a comic strip at the time called Smokey's Stover.
And one of the sayings in the comic strip was, where there's smoke, there's foo, which F-E-U, the French word for fire.
So these things were somehow called foo fighters.
And that was spelled F-O-O, usually, instead of the French spelling.
And incidentally, a couple of things popped into mind from things you mentioned, Art, about this case that I've written about and witnessed.
And one is a woman witness on the Brooklyn Bridge, when her car stopped, the engine died, the lights went out, as happened to several other cars.
And she said when this thing lit up and she saw these little figures, they looked like little balls from the distance, rolling out of a window, 12 stories up, and then being lifted up into the craft and these rotating lights around the craft.
She said, you know, but it was so real, it looked fake.
And I thought they're making a movie down there.
I'm watching a movie being made.
She thought this was Steven Spielberg or something.
Well, the woman herself, Linda Cortilla, who I had worked with, I had met her maybe eight months before.
She's an Italian-American woman born in this country.
Her husband has a blue collar job.
They have two sons.
And it's a very quiet little family.
And she had had abduction experiences, and that's why she contacted me.
It's a long story.
But she called me this particular morning and said, she called me like 9 or 10 in the morning and she said, but I think something happened to me last night.
Just as she was going to bed, she felt a presence in the room.
This is, you know, very, very typical.
She started to get very frightened and she felt this paralysis, which was beginning in her feet, creeping up her body, up her legs.
And she was afraid to open her eyes and finally got up the courage and, of course, saw this small figure with huge black eyes standing at the foot of the bed.
And she picked up a big pillow and threw at it, which I think was kind of funny.
And that knocked it back.
And then was terrified because she thought, uh-oh, it's going to retaliate.
You know, let me just quickly touch on this or ask you about this, Bud.
I have heard repeatedly, again and again and again, in these abduction stories where people have pushed or struck out or now thrown a pillow at them, they are physically affected very easily, as if to suggest they are not physically strong.
And I think that's the reason human beings are paralyzed, because I think they are quite physically fragile, the UFO occupants, and therefore they have to protect themselves.
You know, it's an interesting thing that back in the first case that we really heard about, as I mentioned, of course, the Betty Barney Hill case in 1966, is when we first read about it, that Betty Hill, who's a rather short lady and not particularly formidable, was more or less given free movement.
She was walked into the craft, and she was not through much of this paralyzed.
But her husband, who was a tall and powerfully built African-American man, was pretty much paralyzed through the whole thing and unable to move, as if they understood that he was the greater threat.
Well, what happened is when I worked with this woman, Linda Cortilla, and we explored her experience, everything she remembered under hypnosis, which was that she was floated out this window and lifted up into the craft, she didn't see anything out the window.
She was just except a blue beam of light around her.
In actual fact, as we discovered later from the witnesses, there was one alien above her and two below her.
And she was in a fixed position in between with her, in a paralyzed state, and her head couldn't move, so she's staring straight ahead and didn't see any other aliens.
So she was lifted up into the craft and a fairly, sounds a little wild to say this, routine, a series of medical, quasi-medical experiments or tests, procedures took place, and then she was returned.
So there was never any sense, A, that we had witnesses, or B, that there were aliens above and below her in midair.
It was just suddenly there and turned on its lights as if it was almost waiting until the audience was in their seats and then suddenly turned on all the lights and they looked up and they saw this unfold.
They saw these figures pop out the window.
This happened very quickly and unrolled and they were quite close to the building, which again would suggest the whole thing was choreographed.
No, it turns out they're government security agents.
In their first letter to me, they said law enforcement officers.
But they didn't take into their confidence at first.
And ultimately, they admitted that there was a third person in the car with them, and he was this important political figure, who, incidentally, I have had an interview with him in the presence of another person, a reporter.
And it had stirred up something she'd been trying to put out of her mind, what she had seen.
And again, she had sort of wanted to believe maybe this was a movie she was seeing being made.
And at any rate, she went into a bookstore, and since I've probably done more work in the field than anybody else, and my books are pretty available, she picked my name out of the bookstore and wrote me.
Some of the other people we have uncovered through various methods.
It's a complicated, long, long story.
It's the most complicated thing I've ever dealt with because it seems to have a cast of thousands.
But the interesting thing is with some of these people, as I interviewed them, they said the same thing to me.
I went home and I thought, was this real and what was I seeing?
And this is crazy.
And we turned on television and radio, listened to see if anybody had reported this, and we looked in the papers, and there was nothing.
So I said, well, did you think of reporting it to anybody?
Well, that's certainly an absolutely genuine concern.
And it's something that I do worry about.
And one of the things that I try to do, Art, when I'm working with people, is to test them every chance I get, especially under hypnosis, but just in regular conversations, to try to lead them away from what would be the patterns that I'm very aware of.
And I'll give you an example of this kind of leading.
If I'm working with a little child, and say, this is a four-year-old, and he's telling me, he told his parents who called me, that he's been, you know, he won't sleep in his room.
He's very frightened.
These little men have come in with big black eyes and they take him up through the window and into a room and put him on a table and so forth.
And the mother has discovered, you know, a puncture mark in the abdomen or whatever it is.
And the whole thing looks pretty ominous, suggesting it really happened.
But when I interview the child, I will do everything I can to lead him away from a UFO explanation by figuring if he's making it up or he's, I don't know, heard his parents talking, whatever it is.
But at any rate, the child will say, they took me in the room, and I'll say, well, when they took you in the room, then, what did they give you to eat?
But on an adult level, I mean, I can do this over and over again with adults who are unaware that I know the patterns and I can ask questions that would lead away from it.
But your concerns here are extremely valid.
I mean, that's one reason why we have to be very, very careful and do this work seriously.
And incidentally, I've had now eight different psychiatrists come to me because of their own abduction experiences.
And I've done more hypnosis with mental health professionals, as a matter of fact, as subjects than you could possibly imagine.
But Whitley is a good friend of mine, and something he said was going to cause me to ask you a question.
He said that in his encounters, there are certain things that even in the books he's written, he has held back certain key pieces of information about what he calls the visitors, so that when he hears accounts or sees photographs, he's able to look for these very special things that he has not related publicly on purpose.
Oh, yeah, well, that's been a, as a matter of fact, Whitley, of course, had read Missing Time, which is the reason that he came to me in the first place.
And in Missing Time, I had gone into that at length as a basic police technique that I've used and used in the first major case that I ever investigated back in 1975, which was the landing in North Hudson Park.
And in that case, this was a park directly across the Hudson River from about 86th Street in Manhattan.
I mean, here's a UFO landing, something like 10 small figures getting out and digging soil samples.
And I ended up with witnesses at two different locations who didn't know one another.
But each of them told me an interesting thing about the craft when I asked about it.
They said that, in answer to what color it was, each one said it was so dark it looked black.
Now, black is not a kind of color you associate with UFO cases.
So when I published that case in The Village Voice in New York City, I, of course, withheld that particular detail.
Oh, no, there's in virtually everything I've written, I do have, I keep material out that, you know, that has to be done.
I think that a lot of this work is, I mean, it's a strange mix of you're both a detective and I suppose a psychologist and a healer all rolled into one, whether you had the expertise in those fields or not, but that's what you end up being.
You're doing that kind of de facto work.
And this is of course a standard police technique.
Is there any single common thread or threads that you would name that weave their way through all the abduction cases or the ones that you consider valid?
Oh, I think there are many, many threads that weave their way through.
And I mean I could start going into that.
It would take a while.
But I think without any doubt, the whole reproductive aspect of this, the interest in this ongoing genetic experiment, it was something that was present in the Betting Barney Hill case, which nobody paid attention to.
And it was, in a strange way, one detail was held back in John Fuller's book.
He did not mention that Barney Hill had had a sperm sample taken from him.
And the reason that was not put in the book was because in 1966, I guess that was considered too gamey a detail to publish.
And of course they did talk about the OVA samples or pregnancy tests or whatever it was called being done to Betty.
But even back there, a major, of course, pair of physical procedures was not particularly noticed by anybody, including myself.
Top of the morning, everybody, and welcome to the program if you're just joining at this hour.
Our number one was Linda Malton Howe from Roswell, New Mexico.
She reported extensively the history of the bismuth magnesium material that she's going to be talking about tomorrow in Roswell.
Concurrent with that, of course, there is a scheduled news conference at 9 a.m. at the Rierson Auditorium, which should be very, very interesting, and we'll see what results from that with Chris Wyatt and Paul Davids and others, I guess some scientists.
And they're going to reveal that they have material, it is said, that will show isotope ratio tests that are not of Earth origin, manufactured material that they claim came from the Roswell crash.
That'll be a big bang, and we're all curious to see exactly what it is.
I'll begin getting reports on that, of course, as it is presented tomorrow, and we'll get them to you tomorrow night.
In addition to that, tomorrow night we've got Michael Hessman as a guest, and he wrote, his book is Beyond Roswell.
He's here from Germany.
So we're into, obviously, extensive coverage of Roswell and related stuff.
In our number two, we had Bud Hopkins, who has just authored a book called Witnessed, a most remarkable story with lots of good witnesses regarding an abduction.
Now we're going to go into open lines.
Linda's gone to bed.
She's got to be up for this news conference in the morning and the goings-on at Roswell.
What I do want to do is open one line for those of you in Roswell.
Either investigators, reporters, people who are in Roswell one way or the other.
But we're going to enter open lines now.
So if you are in Roswell, and if you are an investigator, if you want to report on what's going on in Roswell, then tonight I'm going to establish the Roswell line.
Now I'm asking that everybody else on that one line hold on.
Please, if you're calling on that line, hang up and call on any other line.
But what we usually call our first time caller line, we're going to reserve for the balance of the evening for anybody who is in Roswell, for that matter, any of the principals involved in the news conference, not that I expect to hear from them, but I would like to give them that opportunity, and I also like to know if they have my private number, just in case they do want to say something, they know how to get hold of me.
In the meantime, the Roswell line is hereby established.
Please, everybody respect that line, if you would, and do not call it Roswell only.
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Roswell only.
Now we take you back to the night of July 3, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Look, I'm like everybody else, I'm kind of skeptical of things, but in the months now that I've been interviewing David Oates and having him do reverse speech clips for us, they're consistently congruent to use his word with what's being said in Forward.
And that seems to prove the science.
I mean, it's repeatable again and again and again.
If it's people talking, if it's NASA employees, then the subject is space or spaceships.
If the subject is a murder trial, then the reversals appear to have to do with the murder, and so forth and so on.
And that seems to me to be repeatable and scientific.
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Well, okay, except, for example, I enjoy your show a lot.
And how would I know, or how would you know, that that is actually true if you were to put it in reverse speech?
In other words, you're questioning everyone's sincerity when they listen to the show, even though you don't know whether they're going to be a good one.
Of course I'm not questioning everybody's sincerity.
I'm simply, you asked a question, and I said, it may be that subconsciously you hate me or hate my show.
And you might find that out in examination of your reverse speech.
Or, on the other hand, you might find out that you are totally congruent, and the reversal might say something like, the show is great, or something like that, that would tend to be congruent with what you're saying forward and means you're telling the truth.
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So what is this science supposed to prove, in other words?
It proves, for example, if you say something forward and you're telling the truth, then the reversal will be congruent.
The reversal will be consistent with what you're saying forward.
However, if subconsciously you don't really mean what you're saying, or put it another way, you're lying, then the reversal will be congruent but will reveal you to be a liar.
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Could this, for example, be used in a court of law?
and that would require, I guess, that you would wake up from your dream and immediately dictate your dream into a recorder and then search out the reversals.
And, of course, not making this serious comment in a funny way, because it turned out to be funny between my friends and myself when we were watching the movie that I didn't laugh.
Because they're always teasing me about believing in UFOs, etc.
Pathfinder, it would appear now, is going to land on the 4th.
Although, until it lands, you can't make that absolute statement.
But Pathfinder, and I think I can recall what Richard said, is headed toward Mars like a bullet.
Like a bullet on a trajectory.
And unless they do something, and they do have fuel on board to do it, that would in some way change that trajectory, they have that power.
It is going to literally impact on Mars.
And I'm sure you've seen the illustrations and bounce and bounce and bounce.
And then deploy the rover, which will go crawling about with cameras.
And all of this, by the way, is going to occur, talk about synchronicity.
All of this is going to occur beginning West Coast time, probably somewhere between, I forget what Richard said, 10 to 1 somewhere in there, I think around 10 o'clock West Coast time.
And now, by about 1 o'clock West Coast time, we should begin to get the first return signals, if there are to be any, from Pathfinder.
So there's an awful lot going on on this 4th of July, this Independence Day.
Indeed, there's a lot.
Roswell is going on.
A big news conference is going on.
The Mars Pathfinder is going to impact on Mars.
And there are either...
There are certain things that we are investigating with respect to the ongoing situation in Phoenix that may manifest themselves as well.
Not necessarily tomorrow, but there's ongoing increasing information that it would be not wise to divulge at this moment.
Let me put it that way.
When the time is right, we will tell you what we think is going on.
But we're not sure right now, and so it would be, in my opinion, irresponsible at this point to discuss it.
But it does involve Phoenix, and when we know more, you'll know more.
And uh for a spacecraft to go from New York to Florida in one sweep of a radar uh would require that that craft exert so many g-forces in order to accelerate and decelerate.
We talked to Lynn a little while ago, and there was a tremendous thunderstorm building over Roswell.
A gigantic Q cloud, cumulus cloud, building over Roswell, and they had some pretty big winds earlier tonight.
And there is, in fact, a new moon.
It's pitch dark out there.
I'll tell you what.
Where I am, the Milky Way extends clearly from one horizon in roughly the south all the way across the top of the sky to the other horizon in the north.
It is absolutely incredible.
And this is occurring on a new moon night.
And so that gentleman is absolutely correct.
Not full moon, as he first suggested, but new moon.
There is a big new moon out there.
All right, we're going to break, but not with that.
Last night, Art, at the beginning of your program, you said there was developing news in Phoenix that you would not discuss that night, that you would address possibly tonight.
You also said it was something that you weren't sure you could deal with.
Now, if that wasn't a tease, then nothing is.
Yes, it was a tease, in the sense that I wanted to inform you that something we believe may be going on there.
But again, I'm going to say it again, as clearly as I can.
Until we know what's going on, and I'm in contact with people in Phoenix and elsewhere, it would be utterly irresponsible to air it.
I'm not going to.
So if you consider that a tease, then go ahead.
It's really not.
It's the honest state of affairs, and I simply can't go forward with it until we understand exactly what we're dealing with.
We've got a lot of material, but until it makes sense, until it comes together in a way that we can explain it to you, it would not be responsible to proceed.
So that has to be the answer to your question.
If you want to consider that a tease, go ahead.
I don't intend it that way.
I intend for you to think or to know that I am trying to develop something that I consider potentially important and that it's not yet at a stage that it can be presented or that it would be responsible to present it, and yet I want you to know it's an ongoing thing.
So for now, I'm afraid that will have to satisfy you.
Not at all intended to be a tease.
Just telling you what's going on.
On my Roswell line, you're on air.
Hello.
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Hello, Arc.
It's cool enough here in the desert in this area, too, tonight.
There's a lot of people down here, and it looks like that we're all getting excited.
And I hope that your correspondent, Linda Hell, will bring the entire broadcast of the 9 o'clock news conference to the airwaves tomorrow night, hopefully.
Well, I'm sure that we will get an encapsulated version of it tomorrow night, without question.
And by midday, I should know what's going on.
And, of course, you'll know right away because you are there.
What's it like?
What's Roswell like?
It's a small town, usually, a quiet town.
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Yes, everybody's very friendly, just like back in my hometown in Nebraska.
They greet people with a smile.
They treat people with respect, and everybody down here is conducting themselves in a very interesting fashion because they're just here for one reason, and that's to listen to this news conference and to enjoy the sights down here and to reminisce about 50 years ago.
And we just wish that you had a booth down here.
We think you could sell over 300,000 books here tomorrow morning.
And of course, I had endless invitations to go to Roswell.
But there are a number of aspects of this that I'll tell you about.
And one is that I really believe my best place is here.
And that I can coordinate things that are going on in Roswell and best report, most efficiently report to you what's going on by being here, not there.
And when you're there and you're trying to do a broadcast, it frequently turns into a situation that is not very coherent because you have people milling all about.
You're unable to do an effective remote broadcast.
I have never been a big fan of remote broadcasts of any sort.
And so I did what I always do and I remained here.
And we will get you the information very efficiently from here, I can assure you.
Modern communication certainly allows that.
But I've just never been a big fan and I really thought very hard about it.
That is going down because it is an attractive event, of course, for me, as you can well imagine.
But finally made the decision to remain here and try and coordinate events from here.
Yeah, they interviewed Colonel Corso yesterday on Talk Back Live, and my guess would be they took that clip and ran it on CNN, and Colonel Corso, of course, claims to have seen an alien at Ross.
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Right, right, because he said that they had ash-gray skin and eyes that were a little bit larger than ours.
I'm going to have Colonel Corso as a guest Sunday on Dreamland.
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I know, I know.
I'm going to be listening to that as well.
But I think it kind of correlates with what Bud was talking about where he was saying that they might be trying to hybridize humans and aliens together to where people may not understand why they want to do it.
But really, if you had a three-foot-tall per you know, we have no idea really what they look like other than different reports.
If you had a three-foot-tall alien being with huge eyes and not really a human body, most people would go into a state of panic.
So I think probably what they want to do is...
Yeah, so I think probably what they want to do is try to make everybody, you know, these hybridized beings as close as possible to us so that we're not as terrified.
And once we get used to them, then maybe they can show themselves as to what they really are and, you know, et cetera.
In other words, create a hybrid that will be not so shocking to us when we encounter them.
It is possible.
Anything is possible, isn't it?
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Now we take you back to the night of July 3, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, I want to remind the audience I am holding one line open exclusively for anybody in Roswell.
And I kind of want to get a feel.
I've already begun to do that a little bit with some of the callers, for how it's going in Roswell, how it feels, the anticipation, all the rest of it.
Any of the investigators down there, east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
But until Pathfinder gets on the ground, begins sending back signals, and lands where it was supposed to land, then we can say, well, Richard was wrong.
And then we can say that, and we can call Richard, and he will, look, Richard's a stand-up kind of guy.
Well, I don't want to believe he's wrong yet, because one of the things I came across, and I'll be darned if I can find it right now, is an article that used the word gremlins.
There have been apparently been gremlins on Mars that have interfered with so many missions.
And then I'm looking now at something by Jane Allen Associated Press that gremlins in the sense that much has gone wrong with everything, with much of what we have sent to Mars and the Russians have sent to Mars, including a gigantic object that was photographed just before one of the Mars probes the Russians sent suddenly disappeared.
And in a way, they are preparing us if indeed it doesn't make it.
They'll say, oh, gremlins, it missed its mark, but perhaps on the 20th it can hit again.
I'm still expecting that to happen because here's this Associated Press article by Jane E. Allen.
Mars isn't an easy destination.
And she starts the path that's fraught with peril, talks about all the missions that never made it, including one called Phobos, one that received an inadvertent suicide command from Earth, and one that disappeared August 21st, 1993.
So getting to Mars is hard.
Doing stuff at Mars is right on the edge of human technological capability.
And it's talking all about, but I'm just thinking, you know, in a way, this is a theme here in the press, and that if they don't make it, they can just say, well, there those gremlins again, and we expected this, and then maybe they can just pull it out at the last minute and come back down on the 20th or something.
About 12 hours from now, plus about 10 minutes, we should begin getting signals from Pathfinder if it lands as programmed.
So, obviously, we will indeed go back to Richard Hoagland, and he will have much to say about it.
You can depend on that.
And if it lands as programmed and does not in some way become diverted or encounter, to quote my last caller, gremlins, then we will have Richard back and ask him about that.
Michigan Governor John Engler has declared a state of emergency and asked for federal disaster assistance following very violent storms and tornadoes that killed at least seven people and injured dozens more as the violent weather continues.
I mean, they were clobbered, clobbered in the upper Midwest.
And now in the last several hours, tornadoes and violent thunderstorms are in the Massachusetts, New Hampshire area.
Yes, they are going to announce, It is said in the press release that they have, without question, unambiguous material manufactured that is not of earth that came from the crash.
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That was wondering.
I caught a brief glimpse of something about Roswell on the news today, and I just turned on the radio and heard you talking something about it, and I was real curious.
That's really interesting.
How far off do you think it is before everything comes out?
Let me again, one more time, I'll read this news release, such as it is.
A press conference scheduled for 9 a.m.
July 4, 1997 at the Pearson Auditorium on the New Mexico Military Institute campus in Roswell, New Mexico will present the results of scientific tests performed on crashed debris found near Roswell, New Mexico 50 years ago that once and for all will prove the downed vehicle was not of Earth origin.
A research scientist from a major university involved in the testing will be on hand to discuss the methodology and results of the isotope ratio testing of the Roswell debris.
Supporting conclusions and a battery of tests conducted by universities and national laboratories will be provided that conclude the Roswell debris is manufactured material of extraterrestrial origin.
Paul Davids, the executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell, is sponsoring the presentation of this evidence during his program at the 50th anniversary.
Along with images of the actual Roswell crash debris, the chain of evidence will also be presented validating the Roswell incident as the recovery of a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle.
Now, the chain of evidence is going to be particularly important.
In other words, if they have materials, manufactured materials, in other words, something that is manufactured, much like arts parts obviously have been, and the isotope tests prove beyond a doubt it is not from Earth, that's one thing.
And that's an important thing.
If they can prove with a chain of evidence that it came from Roswell, and that's what you're going to want to look for very carefully, whether they can actually trace and bring forward the people who will say, here, I got this piece of metal or this whatever it is they're going to present tomorrow,
and I picked it up, then you've got a chain of evidence, or better yet, photographs, or better yet, on the sea, whatever it is that they're going to trace back, chain of evidence to prove where this came from.
God, we're starting to get like Walmart or something.
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We're starting to get like Walmart.
Yeah, it's really taken off.
Soon we'll be opening our Northern Ohio Club, and we've got several more southern cities in Florida, New Orleans possibly, San Diego.
So things are really moving along.
And I also would like to mention coming up July 25th, which is Friday, at 6 p.m. at the Los Angeles chapter of the Art Bell Chat Club, our speaker is going to be David John Oates.
The Los Angeles chapter is area code 213-965-5537.
Okay.
And also the evening before, the 24th, the chat club in L.A. is going to sponsor a field trip to see a presentation by Joyce Riley.
She's going to be in Los Angeles.
And we like to support all of Art's guests, especially Joyce.
She's going to be speaking in our Southern Texas clubs very soon also.
Okay.
And if you would like to get information about a club in your own area, we have an 800 number you can call.
It does get busy, so bear with us.
It's a 24-hour number.
You can call anytime.
And also, we've had so many responses from listeners, Art.
I would like to thank them for their patience in getting the information packs out to them if they're interested in opening a chapter in their own area.
We are a small operation here in Denver, and we rely a lot on volunteer help.
So we're getting them out as quickly as possible.
But this is a new venture for all of us, and we're real excited.
And like I said, we're attracting some great speakers.
I also spoke with Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who Mr. Sleep Paralysis.
Oh, he is indeed.
And he's quite interested in speaking at our clubs in the West Coast areas.
So again, the 800 number for all the clubs, we have 10 of them total right now, is 1-800-881-4515.
West Coast time, now last night, Fox News reported that a 16-year-old boy, I'm not exactly sure where, I think it was in the Middle East somewhere, was complaining of stomach pains.
Doctors discovered that inside the boy's abdomen was an undeveloped fetus.
Well, I don't know if there's any relationship, but boy, what a story.
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Yeah, it sure is.
It was published here in this Albuquerque Tribune, and they have this little section of the paper that they publish every Saturday, and it's called Earth Week.
That, you know, this sounds to be kind of on the same avenue as In other words, I don't see the connection to bismuth-magnesium-layered materials in micron levels.
But layered micron levels, I might add.
But what you described is really interesting.
I wonder what that is.
It does not sound natural to Earth.
And I wonder if they've done any testing with regard to isotope ratios.
Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
Why does it seem that evil spirits seem to come through Ouija boards?
Some people claim that they use the Ouija board and nothing adverse happens.
However, it's my opinion that somehow it opens a door and there seem to be evil spirits just waiting for that opportunity for somebody to be sensitive enough that they can take over some of their control.
They'll change and start showing their true colors.
now we take you back to the night of july third nineteen ninety seven on art bell somewhere in time All right, this is from an Oregon paper.
Dying seabirds along the Oregon coast are considered a warning sign of ominous changes in the Pacific Ocean that may have potentially disastrous effects for the environment.
The common muir is starving and washing up on beaches at eight times the normal rate because the birds are not finding enough to eat during the nesting season, their most stressful time of year, if Oregon's most numerous seabird is in trouble.
We know things are bad out there, said Roy Lowe, a biologist with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
Food is scarce because spring did not bring the vital northerly winds that power ocean upwelling.
So in nearly every area that we look environmentally, we are undergoing very rapid change, or if you wish, a quickening.
Yeah, the Levatron not only is still sold, but now there is a super Levatron that flies twice as high, and there is now the Levatron Perpetuator, which is a pulsing device which keeps the Levatron going forever.
Whether I would get back on the ship or not is a question.
We're going to have to see, thank you, how Egypt resolves itself.
I would imagine the Antiquities Director at Giza is not altogether happy with me at the moment.
However, a lot of things can occur between now and then.
So to Egypt I shall go.
In all probability, I will go to Giza.
I may not be fully comfortable about it, but I will go.
By the way, if anybody out there wants to check on either one of our cruises, it's coming up quick now, Alaska, an incredible cruise coming up August 23rd, and then October 1st to Egypt and Rome and Greece and the Greek Isles and Pompeii and Oboy will be all over the place.
Both of these cruises are incredible.
And the way you can find out about them is to call 1, 800.
I don't know if this connects with the animal mutilations or not, but from the Associated Press back in the latter part of 95, and I kept this because I wanted to read it to you.
It's called BioFarming, spelled B-I-O-P-H-A-R-M-I-N-G.
It said here that if the FDA go-ahead, it says Washington, it sounds like science fiction milking enough medicine out of 10 genetically engineered goats to replace an entire pharmaceutical factory.
But some researchers consider milk medicines the future in affordable drugs.
And last week, the Food and Drug Administration quietly signaled it is ready to go into business with biofarmers.
The FDA issued the nation's first guidelines for medicines milked from animals whose genetic makeup has been altered by scientists.
Just let me run right out and get some goat's milk, yum, yum.
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I just wonder, with all of these animal mutilations, all this secrecy, is it possible that these companies are actually quietly, without the red tape, running checks through the blood of various animals in different parts of the world for reasons such as this?
Okay, there's one other thing that I Did want to mention to you when Richard Holdman mentioned about July the 20th, I heard a report that on July the 20th in Arizona, in a secret area that is completely being guarded, that some sort of a craft is to land and 12 individuals from different parts of the world bringing whatever is to meet with whomever is to emerge from the craft.
Have you heard anything about that?
No.
Well, I don't know what it's about, but I've heard it from...
Yeah, probably.
But I mainly just wanted to congratulate you on that award.
And in the Edgar Casey readings, it says that the person who built the Hall of Records and designed it and put the records in there is the same person who will remove the records from the hall when the time comes.
And that same person's face is the one on the Sphinx.
Now, that's what Casey had to say.
The ARE puts out a bi-monthly publication called Venture Inward, which has a lot of their research and what's going on with the ARE in it.
And last week I got the latest copy of it, and I was astounded to see on the front of it, there is a picture of the Sphinx, the face of the Sphinx, and right under it, a gentleman with his face angled exactly the same way.
Now, nothing was said in the article about it, but I can see what they're implying.
The gentleman standing beneath the Sphinx is none other than Zahi Hawass.
now to me this says that the a_r_e_ people might be suspecting or maybe they're convinced that hawaii is the man i think that uh...
Well, yeah.
I want you to feel at ease.
I don't know if the ARE people or if they've been back.
I absolutely cannot get over the fact that out of the blue, I got a framed photograph of Zahi Hawass, personally autographed to me.
Wow.
Which says, Art, thanks for all your help, Zahi Hawass.
I'm telling you, it's like finding a horsehead in your bed.
You know, I've heard some people that know him say he's not a bad guy.
I've heard that, but then I've heard other things too.
And I've, you know, there have been things said.
Let's face it.
We have an allegation that Zahi, and it would have to involve Zahi, is proceeding with a secret dig from the king's to the queen's chamber, which would be a very serious thing, if true.
Oh, yeah.
And we've had other occasions to comment on Zahi, and not once can I recall was it necessarily or particularly favorable.
You know, the Casey, I don't understand why, if we're looking exclusively for the Hall of Records here, if that's what the goal is, why they're digging in the pyramid.
Because the Casey readings, I mean, this is the shore expedition and all of that.
According to the Casey material, and I'm not saying he's right about everything, but the Hall of Records is between one of the Sphinx's paws and the so-called Cheops Pyramid.
It's not in either structure.
Right.
That may or may not turn out to be true, who knows?
What knowledge do you think we will recover should we get to the Hall of Records?
Well, according to the only information I have, a complete accurate history of the world, the way it really was, handed down from the Atlantean influence.
Do you think if we actually found that we could handle it or they would suppress it?
Okay, we're in the age of Aquarius now, and what that means is there's going to be no more BS to hide people.