Teresa Martino shares her decades-long wolf reintegration work, including Mackenzie’s emotional return to the wild after hunting a deer, while debunking guard-dog myths. Meanwhile, Richard C. Hoagland and Larry Hunter reveal Zahi Hawass’s alleged 1996 unauthorized access to the Great Pyramid’s "Isis chamber," handling objects possibly linked to NASA’s JPL, and covering tracks with limestone rocks by June 1997—all tied to Orion/Sirius alignments and a suppressed ancient high-tech civilization. Their claims suggest a global conspiracy to hide Egypt’s secrets, with Hawass fleeing before evidence could be secured. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many prolific time zones.
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Good morning, I'm Martell.
We are going to do two things this night.
One is we are going to talk to a woman named Teresa Martino, or T. Martino.
She wrote a book called The Wolf, The Woman, the Wilderness.
A true story of returning home.
It's a born-free kind of thing.
I don't know if you've ever been around a wild animal or not.
I have.
As you know, I have my little wild animal, Comet, but absolutely wild he was, and now a year later, and it's been about a year.
He's about three quarters domesticated.
And I'm not sure that last quarter will ever change.
It may.
I don't know.
I watch him by the day, and I see little niches of change in my comet.
And he gets just a little closer to human beings, but we are still not his favorite things in all the world.
But he's getting better.
A wild animal is an incredible thing to behold.
Absolutely incredible.
In the case of Timartino, she lives, I believe, on an island off the state of Washington.
And I guess she decided to take one back into the wilderness and teach it how to be a wolf again.
At least I think that's what we're talking about here.
And it should be quite a story.
And that'll be coming up here in a moment.
And then later this morning, we are going to do what I have been fearing in a way.
We are going to have Richard C. Hoagland on with others who have just returned from Egypt.
And we are going to absolutely blow the lid off what's going on in Egypt.
Now, as you know, I'm going to Egypt in October, and there have been some people who have called up the travel service that they're booked with to come with us to Egypt, and they have said, does this mean we can't go into Egypt?
No, of course not.
Does it mean I may not be able to go into Egypt?
Yes, it may mean that.
I may have to stay on the ship after tonight's show.
I don't know.
There are things going on over there that I will not detail now.
I will let Richard and his agent, and I say agent, somebody who went to Egypt for him and just literally returned today with the goods, the evidence.
I flew up one time to my affiliate, KOMO, in Seattle, and from an airplane, when you look offshore Washington, the islands are just spectacular.
So there are many, many islands up there.
And I would imagine many of them not generally even inhabited.
How inhabited is your island?
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Oh, it's inhabited.
It's an inhabited island.
It's inhabited by a really great community of people.
And I have to really thank them for a lot of my success in being able to write my books and also being able to keep the wolves because I have, can you imagine trying to rent a place with wolves?
Teresa, what happens if you get a wolf from the moment it's born and treat it instead as a dog?
Can it then be domestic, or is a wild wolf a wild wolf from day one, no matter what you do?
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It'll still be wild, but it will really bond to you.
It'll bond to the people that it has known as a cub, really closely bond to them.
And they're so intelligent and loyal, that's the thing that attracts people to them.
And, you know, just that bonding is incredible.
But they won't, in fact, I have one purebred tundra here, but only the people that knew him when he was young, he was actually going to be in the movies as a movie animal.
And the woman who was the trainer for him got into a car accident.
And so he came from one place to my rescue place.
And he will only let the people see him who knew him as a young animal.
Found him under the house, trapped him with a have-a-hard trap, took him to the vet, had the vet do the whole ball of wax, you know, while this cat was knocked out.
And this poor little cat came home, you know, groggy, still under the influence.
And we put him in a little cat bed and we watched him.
We just sort of sat there on the rug and watched him.
And he woke up and he looked around.
He blinked three times and he jumped vertically five feet or five and a half feet straight up into the air.
Began running into walls until he bloodied himself.
Was as wild as any animal I have ever seen in my whole life.
Either had no contact with humans or bad contact.
But then, Teresa, he was so wild, I mean, so totally out of control, that we had to, he lived in our bathroom for about a half a year.
Couldn't come out of the bathroom.
Was capable of jumping about six feet in the air.
When he finally decided he was going to come out of the bathroom, he literally leaped six feet over some double doors and came out.
Then for the next three months, he found he could crawl up behind our dresser drawers and get into one of the drawers and make a little nest.
And so for about three months, he lived in the drawer.
And ended up standing on one of the poor wolves who ran out of there real fast.
But they have, it's interesting, you know, how they'll dig kind of down at an angle and then kind of angle it up and dig a chamber so the water doesn't go up into their, where they sleep.
What got you interested in wolves in the first place?
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Well, my mom, she says that I always loved wolves as a kid.
And I can remember my dad, we were up in, gosh, up north somewhere, and he, one time when I was a child, pointed out hearing wolves and saying that's a wolf.
And I can remember really being affected by that.
And I think it's also kind of an ancestral thing.
Sometimes I think that my doing the rescue work for the wolves is kind of payback because, you know, there's a lot of old legends about the wolves teaching humanity how to hunt by people, you know, people watching how the wolves hunt.
Sure.
And how to take care of their families because they live in such tight social groups.
Anyway, there is a very specific story about one wolf that apparently you decided to take back to the wilderness?
unidentified
Yeah, I did about six years ago.
This was an animal that came from a rescue center that was closing down way, way up north.
And there was something about her that was different from the other animals I have.
I have to say that most purebreds could not ever go back.
It was very difficult what she did.
And I would never suggest releasing a hybrid or someone just going out on their own and doing this.
This was, you know, I've worked with animals all my life.
Why not?
Well, because I think that unless you've been out in the wilderness a lot yourself, it would be very difficult for you to teach them.
It isn't that they can just go back and instinctively learn to hunt.
It's not like that.
The set of circumstances behind this particular wolf's release, her name was Mackenzie, or is McKenzie, was very difficult.
She was second generation removed from the wild.
And so her grandparents on both sides were wild.
And they were very, you know, she was very, very predatory and extremely shy.
And that made a big difference for her going back.
The thing that was interesting about her release, you know, we all know about synchronicity, but my books and living on the island and this wolf's release were very, there was a lot of things that happened that were synchronistic that made this come about.
One is I didn't have to work really during that time.
I didn't have to pay rent.
People on the island let me barter for my rent of the land that I live on with the wolves.
And so I was able to go up into the wilderness with her and hunt.
And the book that, the first book that I wrote, was written really inspired by some of the ideas about her and about humanity's loss of connection to the wilderness.
And it's common sense.
Because the wilderness, the land has a lot of common sense in it.
How in the world do you teach, now I saw Born Free, and that was, in its own way, similar to what you did?
unidentified
Yeah, very much so.
Mackenzie started hunting small rodents around my cabin very, very early.
And she actually followed my old dog, Beanie, around after small mice and stuff.
And I fed her roadkill because I didn't want her to get a taste of domestic food.
So she ate roadkill deer that we picked up on the island.
And then what I started doing was taking her up with me into the wilderness areas and taking her to places where she would encounter the various game that she would normally encounter in the wild.
I mean, you were actually just out without general cover, and you were trekking through the wilderness with this wolf?
And who led who?
unidentified
I, in the beginning, led her, and what I did is followed water.
You know, followed, because most game, that's what they do.
They follow water.
And then after a while, I would follow her because obviously her senses were such, you know, they were much more acute than mine were.
And one thing that was really interesting about hunting with her is how wild animals pass through the brush without fighting it.
They move very delicately, and they can move very slowly, and they don't, like, we have a tendency, if you go to a city, people march, you know, they march along, and they go very quickly.
Can you actually begin to discern what they are saying?
unidentified
Yeah, I was really able to do that with McKenzie.
And with the different tapes, I went down on a book tour down in California, and I didn't bring my normal wolf tape I use because I usually play a wolf tape before I speak.
And the tape that I found at a little music shop had some wolves on it that were really sad.
And the tape that I had had two wolves on it that were talking to each other across a valley.
And so that really changed it for me to do the reading because this one wolf that was howling on this tape that I got down in California was really very, very sad and lonely, wondering where his family was.
And these wolves that are on my tape were quite kind of conversational almost, talking to each other across a valley.
And so a wolf, would a wolf ever cross intentionally into another's territory?
unidentified
They really try not to do that.
And that was the thing that was very difficult about putting Mackenzie back is she had to be in an area where there were a few wolves so she would be able to finally find a path.
But she couldn't be in an area where there were a lot of wolves because they would think she was an interloper.
Well, what it is, I found a place, it took a lot of looking and a lot of thought and research on my part, that had, you know, three or four wolves that were pretty solitary and probably young animals that had left their own families, young animals that were kind of looking for a territory to establish.
And so what I did is put her on the outskirts of where I thought they were, and she ended up joining one of them.
And that really helped her go back because this animal knew a lot more about the wilderness than I could ever teach her.
Well, as we destroy the wilderness, which we're doing on a very regular basis, and a wolf cannot find sufficient territory, what happens?
unidentified
Well, lots of things can happen.
They'll migrate.
For one thing, they can get into trouble.
I mean, when the American West opened up and the game was depleted, you know, the frontier became a richland for cattle and sheep, and the game disappeared.
The wolf had nothing else to eat except the animals that were out here.
And wolves generally don't want to kill domestic animals.
I have, in my travels, have found that they much prefer game animals, but they're like you and I. If your family is starving, you're going to eat what you can.
And by the way, folks, we've got a bad phone connection.
You've got to understand, Teresa is out on an island where the phone connections are not that hot, so these pops and crackles are something we're just going to have to put up with.
unidentified
It's high tide.
The crabs are working on the line.
I see.
Doug told me to say that to you.
Okay.
Anyway, what she did is when we saw that buck, she turned and looked up at me, and I could just tell in her expression and what she was thinking was, that's what we've been eating, that big thing over there with horns?
In other words, up until this point, she had only had roadkill samples.
unidentified
Yeah, and I think she thought I must have been a really tremendous hunter because I would bring back these roadkills, and these deer would be pretty much, you know, flattened.
And if we continue to move away, it is my heartfelt belief that we're headed for a disaster.
unidentified
Well, and what we have to do is decide to grow up enough that we look at what's wrong and we decide to change it, to just fix it, to do the best we can to fix it.
If Mackenzie couldn't return to the wild, I think that somehow in my mind, I felt that we couldn't either, that we couldn't go back either, that we couldn't fix what was going on in the world on the world.
And it has been, I've actually thought of writing a book about it myself because it has been the biggest adventure of my life.
It's impossible to convey to the listeners, but I spend hours per day trying to bond with this cat.
And it works, but it works in very tiny little increments.
And had anybody else, anybody else, put their hands on this cat, I guarantee they would have put this cat down as something that could never be helped, never be tamed, never bond with any human being.
I have no idea how it could have become that wild, that feral, but it would not have lived.
Purity, it would not have lived.
They would have thought it perhaps even diseased.
You know, it was lashing out.
But the truth is, when I finally got down to the basic personality of this cat, it is the sweetest animal I've ever seen.
And all wildness, or what I saw as wildness or craziness, was fear.
It was only fear.
And when the fear fell away, then the personality emerged.
unidentified
Yep, and that your story with your cat is a little bit like the story of Aniskim, the horse.
I was gifted a horse from the Blackfeet Horse Coalition who are trying to get their horses back.
And this is a wild horse.
It's a buffalo horse, one of the old plains horses that people fought on.
And he has been like that, too.
Most of his, the problem was some people had come and roped him a couple of weeks before I came and had really scared him.
And then when I came, you know, I asked him if he wanted to go, if he wanted to come with me.
And we led him into the round pen with food and a tame gelding.
And I spent some time down there with him, petting him, trying to get him to smell me and realize I wasn't going to force him to come with me.
Sure.
If he wanted to come, he could come.
And spending time, that kind of patience, is a really good teacher for people.
It's really good for the children to witness that slowness, that much time, and how the animal begins to look at you then not with fear, but with wonder.
Yeah, they had a big chorus here just a minute ago, and then they stopped, and then they grabbed my, you know, they steal, and they grabbed my coffee cup, and there's coffee now all over the floor, and then they tried to grab my paper that I wrote all my stuff on.
What helped me with my feral cat was my other cats.
I've got two other cats, very, very domestic, sometimes too domestic, thank you.
And they helped immeasurably in sort of showing Comet, that's my cat, the wild one, occasionally the way and drawing Comet out when otherwise Comet would not have come near a human being.
unidentified
Yeah, and I have a Weimariner, an old Weimariner dog that has done that.
And she's been around quite a few of the wolves.
And I think every time I have had a wolf to do, you know, to rescue, she's always looked at me and said, oh, my God, not another wolf.
And when did the final moments with Mackenzie come?
In other words, that moment when McKenzie left you?
unidentified
Well, you have to read the book.
No.
Anyway, what happened is I never knew exactly when she would go back.
You know, I had to keep trying to take her out and take her out.
And the final release, I had kind of an idea when it would be, and I wanted it to be in the spring when the young animals are born because they're much easier to catch.
Well, as a matter of fact, it has sort of died away.
I haven't heard very much lately.
There was great fear that they would stray from Yellowstone and begin killing wild livestock, that kind of thing.
And it just didn't occur.
Have you ever been in trouble with the wolf?
In other words, as you develop a relationship with any wild animal, there are moments when you can certainly get in trouble.
You misjudge, or the animal misjudges.
You're both somewhat distrustful of each other.
As much as you mentally try to communicate, there are occasions where you can make mistakes.
And when I look at, for example, page 66 with a photograph of a wolf with its teeth showing, a mistake with a wolf could be potentially fatal.
unidentified
It could be tough.
They're actually, they're much more into gesture, and they'll growl than physical violence.
If they were as violent as people, there would be no packs.
I mean, they wouldn't be able to work socially together.
I mean, make no mistake, they're very, very powerful.
In fact, Shoka, that's the tundra wolf, got kind of angry at me the other day because he wanted to go outside and go on his run.
I run them on long lines.
And he didn't want to have the leash on, and so I said, okay, well, you'll have to wait until you decide you want it on.
And I took the other ones out, and while I was opening the gate, he came out and very carefully grabbed the back of my sweater and pulled me over and dragged me, you know, three or four feet.
And they're tremendously powerful.
But the thing that amazes me about them is they're very careful, too.
When Shoka first came, when he was very, very young, I put him in with the two big males, and, you know, they instantly adopted him and were very careful with him.
And he regards them as his parents.
The only time, I mean, when I get rescues that have been abused, because a lot of times what happens to animals that people fear is they beat them.
And with wolves, or with any animal, or with any person, that's just a criminal thing.
It's very bad.
When that happens to a wolf, they can get, you know, very fouled up.
And those animals can be tough to deal with.
They can be potentially dangerous to deal with.
Mackenzie got angry with me one time, and she was eating a rabbit, and I was standing, I guess, too close, and she was very young and ambitious at that period of time.
And she saw me staring at the rabbit, and she ran up to me and grabbed my hands in her mouth, and their back teeth, not their fangs, but their back teeth are like shears.
Now, this may seem pretty wild, but I'll try it out on you.
I am convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt, and I'll take a lot of heat for this and I don't care, but in my work with this wild cat of mine over the last year, I have decided, Teresa, that humans can telepathically communicate with animals telepathically.
I guess it's telepathic.
I don't know what else to call it or what other word that people would understand, but I can put my head down near this cat and doing nothing else, holding it, which I can now finally do, it hears me.
I don't say anything, but it hears me and it begins purring.
It knows that there's some sort of communication that's occurring between the two of us, and it knows.
Do you feel that that kind of communication is possible?
unidentified
Yeah, I do.
And I, again, am like you.
I'm not sure if it's actually telepathy.
In the work with horses that I've done, the old masters didn't talk about it as telepathy.
But to me, it is something that comes not necessarily body language, but it comes from your body.
Is there a chance that all of a sudden there are going to be covenants and restrictions and incorporations, and pretty soon you won't be able to have your wolves?
unidentified
That's possible.
I mean, you know, I don't know.
I just kind of have to kind of trust that it'll work out.
I wouldn't be on the island if the people here didn't want me here because I couldn't have stayed unless I could have borrowed for my rent for the land.
I've kind of chosen a very creative, artistic way to live, and there's not a lot of money in that.
In about 30 minutes, Richard Hoagland and company and the lid gets blown off what's been going on in Egypt.
It is the program you've been waiting for.
Tomorrow night, David Oates, reversals on Colonel Haynes, the Master of Ceremonies at the Roswell news conference the other day.
That's the other one you've been waiting for.
I just can't wait.
And if you want something that will take you back to the way things ought to be and sort of do a reset button for you, get Teresa's book, The Wolf, The Woman, The Wilderness.
You can get it by calling area code 503-695-2211.
503-695-2211.
Now back to Teresa.
Teresa, we've got a lot of people who would like to speak to you, so are you ready?
Wolves, though, have been a symbol of fear and even evil for some, haven't they?
unidentified
Yeah, they have.
I think once humanity decided to domesticate livestock, and once we were more agricultural-based, staying in one place rather than hunting, we tended to look upon the wolf differently.
But when we were hunting, when people hunted for a living, I think we tended to look at the wolf as our brother and sister and as our teacher.
I was about to actually make that comment to you, Teresa.
Unfortunately, in today's world, whether you like it or not, if you're on the mainland, you really have to be security conscious.
And I don't, it's a shame that it has to be that way, but I own guns and I wouldn't have it any other way.
I'm much more afraid of the two-legged variety than I am of anything that's out there roaming the desert with four legs.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Teresa Martino.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
I'm so glad to get a hold of you.
Thank you.
I have a few questions for Teresa.
Are wolves being reintroduced to the Midwest?
Yeah, they are.
The Red Wolf.
How far down?
I believe Texas, South Carolina.
Wow.
Oh, well.
I mean, are they around the St. Louis area?
That I'm not sure.
I'm not sure of that.
Also, I was wondering if you come across an animal while you're driving and it's a large type dog or a wolf, how can you tell by visually looking at a distance if it's a wolf or a dog?
Well, if you're way up north, they're very hard to spot in the wild, to be perfectly honest with you.
There's very few people that actually see them in the wild.
If you are driving and you see an animal that is a hybrid or part-bred animal, it's kind of difficult to tell the percentage unless they're a very high percentage.
Wolves generally have kind of a loose-legged trot.
They're generally very slender.
They have smaller ears and more closely set than sort of a husky or Malamute, smaller than German Shepherd.
Their tails do not curl at all.
They have dew claws only on their front paws.
Their toenails are always black.
They have very, very long fangs.
They generally have, even the white ones will have a few black hairs or darker hairs on their saddle area and the base of their tail and the tip of their tail.
How do you think That our instinctual wildness, and we were once certainly wild, manifests itself today.
It's pretty well suppressed.
We're civilized, supposedly.
But there are little feelings of wildness occasionally, and I can only imagine as you went back into the wilderness to spend a year, you really began to get in touch with it.
What did that feel like?
unidentified
For me, it felt very natural.
I think our definition of wilderness needs to be redefined.
Wilderness, a lot of times, equals dangerous and unpredictable.
And that's not it to me.
Our wilderness, you know, a wolf that's wild lives for the pack.
It lives for the good of the pack, for the social group.
And humanity could, you know, learn a great lesson from looking at the wolves, the way they live.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with T. Martino.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hi, Teresa.
Hi.
I live out in the country, and I'm a big dog lover.
No offense, Art.
I don't own a dog, and really, I guess, don't need one because I have daily visitation from all the neighbor dogs.
Oh.
Including a black lab, a shell, and one of our neighbors who has a husky.
And we have come to refer to this dog as the wolf dog, especially at night when we're out in the yard sitting many evenings.
This husky will just appear out of nowhere.
He'll honor us with his presence for a few minutes.
And then more often than not, as quickly as he appears, he's gone.
I have yet to ever hear this dog bark.
He yelps, and he's quite a howler, too.
And he will lie on his stomach with his front legs spread apart and leap into the air.
And what I wonder, Teresa, would it be reasonable to say that of all the dog breeds, maybe a husky would most closely resemble in mannerisms and physical appearance a wolf?
Resemble in a rough way.
The mannerisms, I don't think so, because the purebred wolves are extremely shy.
They really are shy.
And most northern dogs I've met have not been really that shy.
But you know, we never see this dog during the daylight.
It's only at night that he appears.
Yeah.
And he appears out of nowhere, and it's almost like he's a stealth dog.
The thing is, is that we had, this is back in 1968 to about 1975.
We had this one highway we called the Highway 6.
And when you were driving down there towards I-10 West, and you got off the freeway, and you went down this one road, it was like a dark, dark road back in 1968.
And we were driving, and we came across this one corner that my father was telling me was called the Wolf Corner.
Well, we stopped.
He parked his car, and he would show us exactly what was out there.
And there was everything from about 30 to 35 dead-shot wolves hanging upside down on the side of this one fence.
And it was dramatic.
I mean, I just about fainted.
I couldn't believe that there were so many wolves, and it was like out there in the wilderness, you know, on the side of the city of Houston.
Now, whether I'm going to be able to get off the ship at Alexandria after tonight's program is another question.
Hopefully, the answer is yes.
Possibly, the answer is no.
That gives you some idea of what you're about to hear or the gravity of it.
Richard C. Hoagland and his agent provocateur, that's the word I'll use, just back from Egypt literally hours ago with proof in hand, and we're going to tell you all about it coming up in a moment.
So buckle in, everybody.
Telemart Bell told you to call.
That's 1-800-406-0469.
Now, Angstrom Science Award winner, investigator, science advisor to Walter Cronkite, and one-time science advisor to NASA.
As a matter of fact, when you enter NASA grounds now in Houston, you will see a large statue erected to Richard C. Hoagland.
Hopefully we're going to pull some very major threads together and lay out this tapestry that we've been carefully weaving over, in fact, the last several years.
Well, given that we're opening a system that has been closed and kept secretive by a tiny handful of people, very similar to other institutions we've talked about, I don't think we're going to be in much trouble at all because before our representative left Cairo this morning,
he provided the evidence that we're going to provide to America tonight to key Egyptian officials, to the editor, the assistant managing editor of one of the major Cairo newspapers, and to a group of independent archaeologists who are not part of the in-crowd that has been controlling access and discussions on the plateau.
So what we're doing tonight is, in essence, simultaneously launching the American side of a major investigation to open up the secrets at Giza that have been held by a few for far too long.
All right, this is going to create a definite storm.
And what I'm hoping, as you know, I'm going in October, I'm hoping the storm plays itself out before October and that the skies clear over Giza for me.
There are a couple of announcements that I want to make before.
First of all, let me give an update for all those who are following the Pathfinder story.
Yes, only tonight, 36 hours after the mid-course correction, the last mid-course correction of this little spacecraft a few million miles away from Mars, many, many millions of miles from Earth, NASA finally, on its websites all over the world, got around to posting the results of this mid-course burn yesterday morning.
And the time lag is curious because all they've done on the website is to say, we've done it.
And they list the instantaneous, in essence, tracking data, Which indicates that their maneuver was within 4% in one direction and 1% in another.
And that data would have been achieved literally within an hour or so after the burn was made and the spacecraft turned around and recontacted the Earth.
So the gap of 36 hours in putting this on the website is very, very curious.
Now, in part, this could be explained by everyone being diverted by the mere accident and drama going on upstairs.
But even so, we're talking about a dedicated group of engineers who are working Pathfinder as their job.
And I am a little bit baffled as to the reason for the gap.
If things progress as advertised now, they are claiming, and they actually have the map up on the website showing the target coordinate at 19.5 degrees and the center of the new ellipse from the tracking data of their last mid-course at 19.45 degrees.
And they say they are on course to a morning landing at about 10 o'clock Pacific time on Mars on July 4th.
Now, as you know, last week I very strongly indicated that we don't think that's going to happen.
That they're going to somehow have an interesting set of events intervene, which will delay the landing to July 20th.
And it may or may not be at their advertised landing site.
In fact, it could well be at Sidonia.
There is a very important gap now between what NASA is stating and what we are predicting.
And I don't want to be shy about this.
There is a definite divergence here of two views of reality.
One curious footnote, NASA has posted on its website an advertisement for the little model that Mattel has made of the lander, the Pathfinder lander, the tetrahedral spacecraft, and the mini rover.
And if you go to your website or our website, you will see that Keith has linked to JPL, to Caltech, to the full-page press release that JPL wrote announcing the availability of this Mattel toy commemorating Sojourner and the Pathfinder lander.
So it's all kind of in limbo, and I don't know where we're going other than we have predictions firmly on the board, and we'll just have to see what happens as the clock runs out.
Well, the interesting thing about the Mir story is that it is now developing that they're going to launch a Progress rocket probably in the next week or so to bring up supplies.
And in essence, what they're discussing is because when the Progress supply rocket or capsule, whatever you want to term this, ran into them yesterday, when they lost control of it for reasons that are totally unclear at this point,
and it literally put a hole in the hull of the Spectre module, which was Mike Fole's module with all his bioengineering and medical experiments, where he actually lived, and he had his exercise gear, and his clothes, and his toothbrush, and his toothpaste.
It was so interesting to hear him asking for five tubes of toothpaste to be sent up on the resupply rocket this morning.
Their plan is now to basically send them a bunch of new equipment, including jumper cables.
And they're planning to string power cables, in essence, you know, super long jumper cables, from the solar panels that are still functioning on the outside of that module, either outside by doing an EVA, a spacewalk, along the hull to the batteries inside in the part of the station that's still functioning.
Doing a major presentation in downtown Phoenix in the heart of this interesting place that apparently has connections to the moon, to Mars, to Egypt, and to Pathfinder.
Well, we have now reached the point where I can announce that we are going to be doing this.
It's going to be called The Monuments of Mars, a Phoenix Connection, question mark.
And joining me as part of a rather interesting evening on the 14th of July, which is the anniversary of the first U.S. Mars flyby, Mariner 4, back in 1965.
In fact, it was my first project that I conducted at a private museum, the Museum of Science at Springfield, with NASA.
We had, you know, open radio lines.
We did lasers across the valley.
We had Alan Hynek on as one of our guests that night.
It was my first.
I was 19.
Shivering, you know, shaking in the knees.
We put all this thing together.
Well, on that anniversary, it turns out, coincidentally, and we really didn't plan this, we're going to, in Phoenix, in the, potentially, tentatively, the Phoenix Civic Center itself.
We're booking the major room, and we haven't quite finished the details, so I can't announce firmly that that is a done deal.
But we're going to be there all evening, and the last two hours of this presentation, which will connect the face on Mars and Sidonia, the pyramids of Egypt, the hyperdimensional physics, which of course is codified in sacred geometry,
the entire NASA and Russian space program, Masonic knowledge, the founding of Phoenix, which as you know we're now zeroing in on, including the role of Ulysses S. Grant and others, the lights over Phoenix seen on March 13th, and a lot more, including now a presentation by our guest of the evening here on the Arpell Show.
We're going to lay this all out for an audience live in Phoenix.
And for the last two hours of this evening and the first two hours of your show, you are going to join us, Art.
Well, what we're going to be able to do is an electronic Donahue kind of thing because through your good offices, we can have the country participate and ask questions of our panelists.
We can, in turn, have reaction from the floor of people who've seen the whole data presentation so that they can get, you know, your audience, your radio audience, get a feel for what people are thinking and feeling and reacting to what we're going to lay out for them.
And we're going to also have some other surprises.
For instance, I have figured out that because of the brilliance of Scotty Rowland, Keith Rowland, and this device called the webcam, we can have you in Phoenix as well.
We're going to electronically project up on two huge screens Art Bell Studio in color, live from Perump.
And side by side, as a split screen, we're going to be rotating our TV cameras because we're going to be filming and videoing the whole thing.
Because afterwards, we're going to make a video.
And for everyone who can't be in Phoenix, who would like to be in Phoenix, we'll make the video available through our show after the fact, probably a couple of weeks after the fact, if we do our homework correctly and do the editing.
So you can see the whole thing in sequence and see Art's participation and what we've laid out and the data and all the connections that we're in the process of now busily figuring out.
And we've got some really neat folks in Phoenix who are finding some extraordinary connections and linkages, including satellite photography now, strange things going on in the hinterlands around Phoenix.
May I add, Richard, I have a very reliable report that in Las Vegas, just this last Monday, they had a large boomerang-shaped thing that was in the sky for quite some time.
I've got reports from dispatchers here.
It's not quite a Phoenix, but it's pretty close, Richard, over Las Vegas.
I don't know who's doing it, but something is building, and it's building, I believe, toward a crescendo on July 20th.
Let me give people an information number to call.
We can't formally announce ticket sales tonight because, as I said, there's a couple of sales left to be done.
But if you want to get on a list to be called back, if you want to participate in this, if you want to drive over to Phoenix, I would recommend that you call these folks very early because the seats will go fast.
So the information line to call is area code 602-944-2434.
That's 602-944-2434.
And let me tell you who's going to be on the program.
Who is the computer expert who has done the 3D analysis of the Phoenix lights and who I've known for years and who is a consummate professional.
Frances Barwood, who is the Phoenix City Councilwoman who basically broke this and forced them politically to finally address the constituents' questions as to what happened in March over downtown Phoenix.
Apparently he sent a very strong letter to the Air Force saying you will over my dead bodies throw my second letter in the circular file.
Now I cannot promise that Senator McCain will join us, but I'm going to give it the old college try.
So I'm announcing that as a kind of a wildcard thing tonight.
I'd like to try to get him there.
Frances says that she will ask, and who knows, he might show up.
Ken Johnston, senior, will be with us.
Ken, of course, is a NASA veteran test astronaut with over 3,000 hours in the lunar module, taught Buzz and Neil everything they know, and has also the expertise of being a 32nd degree mason.
And we're finding such stunning Masonic correlations between Phoenix, the program, the NASA program we've been laying out, Egypt and the administration's of past years' efforts to incorporate Phoenix in a very special way that we felt He would be important to have on the program.
And finally, a former NSA data analysis, National Security Agency, has a lot of people who do nothing but data analysis.
We have the good services of one of those who is in Phoenix, lives in Phoenix, runs a company called Historical Data Retrieval, and who is avidly now involved in digging up all of the arcane history that we can find on this very interesting town.
My guest is Richard C. Hoagland and Company, Agent Provocateur, who just got back from Egypt.
And in a moment, that's what we're going to launch.
So get ready.
That's 888-G-O-L-B-K-R-C.
All right, from Carol in Mesa, Arizona, and I don't want to dwell on this because as Richard has told you, there's going to be a big confab in Phoenix.
But according to Carol in Phoenix, yes, Senator McCain is indeed calling for an investigation with regard to what occurred above the city of Phoenix on March 13th.
She continues that one of KFYI's daytime talk show hosts has been ridiculing people about all of this, including Jim Delatoso, and calling people nitwits and so forth, and calling for people in Phoenix to get their feet back on the ground.
Interesting, and I wonder how he imagines that this incident did not occur, and I wonder why whoever it is thinks that people who want to know what's going on are nitwits.
That's a word that I probably would not choose to use with regard to those who want investigation of what occurred over Phoenix, or for that matter, what occurred over the skies recently of an area right next to me, Las Vegas.
As a matter of fact, we had Mr. De La Toso who's been on CNN repeatedly on this program, along with an Arizona MUFON member, and I rather thought the Arizona MUFON member did not much have his act together in trying to challenge Mr. Deletoso, but that's another story.
Well, one of the things we're going to do this evening in Phoenix in July 14th is to have some surprises.
And one of the surprises is a gentleman I'm about to introduce, because this is a moving story.
It has many different venues going simultaneously, many different parts of the puzzle.
And they all apparently are now converging on this midsummer July 20th date.
So let me set the stage here, all right?
The gentleman I'm going to introduce is named Larry Hunter.
I met Larry through a very good friend of mine in Los Angeles a couple of years ago when I was in town speaking, and my friends had asked me if I would meet a rather interesting and unusual inventor who had predicated some of his inventions,
including a key solar collector concept, around the pyramid geometry and architecture of the plateau and the designs of Pisa.
And I said, okay, Randy, that's his name and my friend's name.
I said, bring him on.
Now, it was a very busy schedule, and we wound up meeting at a little coffee shop for lunch.
And what struck me was not only was Larry interesting as a person and obviously had some background and some depth and knew what he was talking about, at least in my perspective, but I also instantly realized that not one person in 100 would get what Larry was trying to do.
And that really made him a kindred soul.
So we hit it off right away.
And one of the things he did at lunch was to fill the table with rocks.
Because as part of his engineering and his due diligence on the solar power collector concept, he also had, it turned out, spent many, many, many years going to and from Egypt and doing site surveys for his other passion.
But simultaneously, he was looking into the archaeology and to get beneath the myths of current contemporaneous archaeology, which says that Egypt, you know, the pyramids were built in the last 5,000 years and etc., etc., etc., that they were basically huge monuments to ego-mad, you know, idiots called pharaohs.
And he filled this lunch table between the plates and the cups and the saucers and whatever with rocks from the desert, not only of the plateau, but around the plateau.
And as the wakress kept coming and the rest of our party kept looking, he and I carried on this interesting conversation, moving plates aside and moving rocks aside and, you know, putting rocks here and putting rocks there and doing basically stellar cartography on the ground, mirroring what is apparent in the sky over ancient Egypt, that he independently has been looking at quietly long before Baval got interested in the theme.
So that really got me intrigued with who this individual, Larry Hunter, was.
Besides, I also then found out that Larry Hunter loves cats.
The audience needs to understand that you and I have been sitting on information for a couple of months now that we could not quite confirm sufficiently to go public with it.
And what Larry has done is to give us, bring back, as a matter of fact, he's just back from Egypt today, actually yesterday now, with the evidence that is going to allow us to go public with what you're about to hear.
Well, what Larry has brought, and I don't want to leap to the end of the story, but I want him to tell you what he's got.
He has hard evidence in the form of actual samples from inside the Great Pyramid testifying to an unknown and probably, and I'm going to use this term, probably illegal excavation going on inside the Great Pyramid even now.
He has brought back video, a, what is it, about an hour, hour and 20-minute interview?
Yeah.
With a key person who has witnessed some of these remarkable events.
The interview is all in Arabic, and we're going to have to have it translated.
And we're not going to reveal the name of the interviewee for obvious reasons because he is still in Egypt, and we want to protect his safety.
And it was only with great skill that Larry, with the aid of a friend or two in Egypt, was able to convince him, over the protestations of his own family, to eventually describe what occurred and the threats that he is under and things like that.
Well, let us go back to what we thought we knew a couple of months ago, Richard, and let's tell people what it is, just flat out.
Why don't you tell them?
In other words, there have been parties.
There have been people that have gone to Egypt, organizations, have taken photographs, done x-ray work, have done a lot of groundwork, and inevitably, after they go over there and do the groundwork, they're kicked out.
Zahi, Hawass, and company kick them out, and then there has been a suspicion that Zahi proceeds to do his own excavation.
He lets them do the groundwork, spend the money, and then takes over and goes for the glory.
This is a pattern that I personally have observed with people that I know, like Lambert Dolphin and SRI, going back to the early 70s, to 1973, and in the later 70s, 78.
More recently in the early 80s, and Larry, interrupt me at any time when I make him a statement here.
There were French teams, there were Japanese teams brought in to use gravimeters, which are devices that are very sensitive to minute variations in gravity, to find secret chambers inside.
And as soon as they found something, they were given the heave-ho.
There were rumors of radioactive sand being found in one of those chambers of that equipment.
But never.
Say again, Larry?
The ones that were being bored on the west walls coming in the passages to the Queen Chamber.
And they were stopped at that moment, or supposedly stopped.
But there was a gentleman in Switzerland that sort of said that that was filmed, and there were a lot of celestial drawings on the walls, and that they did indeed see what was in those rooms.
Rudolf Gentenbrink, who was a German engineer operating under the German Archaeological Institute with licenses from Dr. Hawass and supposedly the Antiquities Council, came to Egypt to the pyramid ostensibly to use this robot to clean the shafts,
the air shafts, leading from the king's chamber at a 45-degree angle, north and south, out to the exterior of the pyramid.
In fact, it now turns out from extensive documentation that has been provided to me by, among other people, Robert Baval, that what Gandenbrink all along was wanting to do and apparently elicited the cooperation of Dr. Hawass in doing was to send his little robot up the slanted shaft below the king's chamber from the queen's chamber,
the shaft that I've called the ISIS shaft or the Sirius shaft and is mentioned prominently in Baval's book, The Orion Mystery.
At about, is it 180 feet, Larry, up that shaft?
A little further than that.
Maybe 188.
Genton Brink's little robot with a closed-circuit TV camera and a laser on it encountered an end of the passage.
And this four, I'm sorry, eight-inch square passage where obviously no human being could ever get.
And at the end of this passage, 188 feet up this slanted shaft, there was a door, or a portcullis, which is the technical term, on which there were apparently affixed two copper handles, which were intensely corroded in the light of the robot and the colored TV camera.
And this was all shown on national television, shown on the BBC, and it was shown on A ⁇ E here.
And, you know, we have the tapes.
No sooner had Jennin Brink found the door, but on the TV view, on the lower right-hand portion, you could see there was a little crack.
And the door was meant to be open.
In fact, the two little handles were a device designed to prevent the door from being raised fully back.
That's what I was trying to say, is it was a lock hinge.
That's right.
It looked like a lock hinge.
And when the door would come down, you could never raise it fully back up because those would keep it by hitting on the top of the shaft from being raised fully.
Now, the little crack at the bottom right-hand corner was big enough to show that the laser, when they focused the beam on the dark crack, disappeared.
There was no facing behind it, meaning it was going into empty space, an unknown room or chamber or crevice or declavity or something behind the little eight-inch square door.
Now, as soon as I heard this, and this was from, you know, back in 93, I said to myself, aha, because it confirmed in my mind my own model, which is that the Great Pyramid is not a tomb, it's a time capsule.
And how do you protect an extraordinarily important find in the middle of 6.5 million tons of limestone piled up in a cone shape, which has been ravaged by, you know, imams and Englishmen and Frenchmen and Japanese and American tourists and graffitiized and attacked by every possible culture to try to get at the treasure in the pyramid.
Answer, you put the real prize deep inside up a tiny narrow shaft that no human being could ever get into until the culture behind that human being develops science and technology and engineering and robots.
Well, the room leading off Gantebrain, through Robert Boval, at least in his work, demonstrated the math that collated this particular shaft off the Queen's Chamber to point directly to Cirrus as it would cross the noon meridian on the south side of the Great Pyramid or the gateway into the Orion constellation.
Let me stop you there, Larry.
In the Egyptian text, there is a profound connection over and over again between the pharaonic Egyptian model, the guy at the top of the pyramid, the Pharaoh, and the stars of the Orion complex.
And Sirius, as Isis, the chief consort of Osiris, Orion, the Pharaoh in the sky, was a key component of this mythology.
And so what Baval has been looking at for many years, and Bodaway and Virginia Trimble began looking at years before, back in 1965, was that the alignment of these shafts as they strike up toward the exterior of the pyramid from deep inside, in fact, was not at random.
That these shafts aimed at key stars in the belt of Orion, and the lower shaft, the one coming up from the Queen's Chamber, was suspected to be aimed towards Sirius.
As Sirius would rise and set, the pyramid would aim almost like a rifle sight.
Exactly.
And if the shaft were open, you could stand at the bottom and look up the shaft and see Sirius.
But of course, it's not open.
There's, what, maybe 100, 200 feet of solid limestone masonry between the end of that shaft, that little door, and the exterior of the pyramid.
It could be the rock device, too, for sending the soul at the speed of light, which matter can't travel at.
There's a lot to this that we really don't understand yet, but in the probabilities, I like to open up new probabilities in the understanding of things that we're just growing into.
The point is that the alignment appears to be aimed towards Sirius.
That's why I call it the ISIS shaft and the ISIS chamber.
What's behind the door?
You know, Monty Hall, where are you when you meet him?
Well, behind that little door, that little portcullis, I believe, and people as eminent as I.E.S. Edwards, who was the chief of the Egyptian, what would you call it, Larry?
Keeper of Antiquities of the Egyptian room of the British Museum.
When the Gantenbring video was shown to him and he was asked on Channel 4, which is one of the British TV channels, what do you think is behind the door, Dr. Edwards?
In a rare burst of speculation for someone as conservative as those guys, he said, well, maybe a pharaonic figure, a seated statue of the Pharaoh, gazing toward Orion or Sirius, holding an arm.
We will get back to that in a minute.
So in 1993, we have this brilliant German engineer builds a robot, gets into, with the permission of Hawass, that shaft, sends a robot up the shaft, finds a door, finds a crack under it, then asks Hawass, okay, let me put a fiber optics probe on my camera and look behind the door.
For not using the system of when they opened up the museums to go inside, they were supposed to have guards and police escorting them in, and the documentation and the paperwork that was associated with it was skim, if at all.
And he left the country for several months without a passport or a visa.
Well, in this case, the chairman of antiquities launched an investigation into his activity and his activities.
Yes, and it was during this time that Ganterbrink released this information to the world.
Through the law.
Right.
Well, it was sort of that and through Reuters, I think.
Okay?
But the Egyptians immediately silenced the story.
But if you'll go back and look, secret chamber in the bottom of the pyramid, and then this was something that was up in the queen's chamber, so it'll give you a feeling of what Vantabrink may know, but has been silenced about telling.
And then after those came down, then the Minister of Culture, Farouk Qazni, started to investigate the Chairman of Antiquities, Mohamed Bucker, for his activities investigating Hawash and was soon removed from office.
And then a new one came in, a Dr. Abdulhalim Nor al-Deen.
And then about the time of the August timeframe, he was brought back by the American embassy and put back in his job as the director of the Pyramid Plateau.
Hawass was put back in place, and the practice continued of allowing organizations and people to come in and do research, and then suddenly they were booted out, and Hawass would then proceed with the investigation on his own.
But what you're missing is that Hawass has known about these things for years before.
His attempts to get Gantabrink in there to put ventilation for the pyramid was, in my opinion, a front because he installed a very, looks like cheap fan and built a very multi-million dollar robot.
And what was the objective?
if it was to keep the pyramid cooler today when you go in there that fan seems to have blocked all airflow so hot that when you're in there it's almost like a sauna sweat profusely and it gets It gets all over the video cameras, and you have to take them away from your face because the video is sensitive to water.
And I personally have experienced the high, high increase in the temperatures in that pyramid so much so that when you come out, you're soaking wet.
When we were trying to think of someone who could Be a representative of Enterprise, this very broad investigation into connections between Egypt, Mars, NASA, and now ultimately Phoenix.
Larry came to mind because of his unique background.
So I think what we need to do is to have Larry tell you what he's been doing in general terms for about 18 years and what other information he has developed separately regarding what is in the pyramid that Hawas could have known about and had been trying to use other mechanisms to get to other than those that were known by other people in Egypt.
I originally went to Egypt in 1979 in the summer solstice.
And it was during that time that I was allowed to go down into the subterranean chambers of the Great Pyramid Area, which was closed to the public.
And I crawled out to the end of the dead end passage about 52 feet back in, of which there is no exit.
You just go out and come back.
But while I was out there, I was hearing a lot of voices and people and couldn't understand where they were coming from, at least down in the bottom at the very end of what was supposed to be solid rock by any books that I had ever read.
Well, I could hear, there was a pattern to the noise, that it would get louder and louder and louder, and then I would hear the coffer in the king's chamber with a guide.
You know, when you take these tours, he says, this is the coffer of the king, and then he hits it with his hand, and you can hear the bell tone sound of the coffer.
It's a unique signature of that object in the king's room, or, quote, king's room.
So I knew that this room was connected at least through the unknown parts of the pyramid because that sound was coming directly to me.
And this happened in 1979, and I was at a loss to explain any of this, but I know my experience.
And I was down there for several hours, and in the process of that, I had the watch with phosphorus on it.
And I was curious how long I had been down, and I didn't have a light with me.
I was actually in the dark the whole time.
This is that I looked at my watch, and I was totally surprised to find the phosphorus glowing brighter than if I had just put a very bright light on it and then taken it away.
It was that fresh.
In my experience with phosphorus, when you hit it in light and take it into a dark room, it diminishes.
There were several other things that occurred in there, but that was my first experience with what I had labeled a secret room.
And this room, we can only be described via the experiences of the modern village pyramid workers.
And I want to coin this term because it's the pseudonym that I would like to use to protect all of the people in Egypt that are these modern village pyramid workers from any backlash of them having revealed to me their secrets concerning the subjects that I was very interested in.
Because they're not allowed to talk through me.
And if I just use the term modern village pyramid worker, you can get the feel that even in the time of Pharaoh, he had his village workers that did the work.
They don't get much credit other than they always live there.
And no different today is that there is a village at the base of the pyramid called Naslud el-Saman, which has just such workers.
Any maintenance that goes on, they're brought in, ironwork, etc., all the way from the taxi drivers, the horses, the camels, and any others that may do the business of the pyramid for the modern tourists coming in and or doctors from around the world to do their research.
Well, I would use the term killed in this sense because Egypt is really, really a very safe country.
I've been going in and out of there for 18 years, and I feel that it really is the safest place on earth.
So I don't want to get any of your listeners, and even you at the outset, whenever you're, I don't know if I can go there, there's nothing that would keep you from going there and not to be afraid because Egypt does have a real nice system of police networks that the tourist is the most protected source for that country, if you know what I mean.
However, the gravity of what we're about to tell people of what's going on is going to brings the pressure on the village worker, of which Hawas and his efforts have tried to starve this village, keep these people from working.
And if you really got down in it and we had the time, I would give you a cute little story of the economics involved with the plateau and the amounts of money that tourists are charged and how the people are trying to survive.
And in all amongst this, where we hear the latest stories of the camel people costing so much to clean the plateau, about $35,000 a year for 50 people to clean up the stool of the horses and the camels.
No toilets, Richard, are available to you when you go there on the plateau.
And my objective is to put them all back to work running a program that I'm developing now, which is to give them the access to the outer desert regions, of which are very important to the whole way of this.
It's about an eight-mile by eight-mile by six and a half mile region, which will encompass the whole Orion constellation.
Well, in 1996, in the fall of 96, you and I and our listening audience became aware that there were potential links between the NASA inquiry I have been conducting relating to the moon and Mars and the fact that the emblem,
the central emblem of the Apollo program, is the central figure, the giant of the Egyptian cosmology, i.e.
Furthermore, a key Egyptian, A gentleman named Farouk El-Baz turned out to not only have played a key role in the NASA Apollo program, but then went back to Egypt and served as a science advisor to then President Anwar Sadat.
Anwar Sadat.
And his brother now is some high minister of the President of Egypt.
Hazi Mubarak.
So the Elbaz family is extremely well connected.
And as you know, we discovered that Elbaz himself, when he came to the United States from Egypt by way of Germany, was directed to be hired by none other than the brother of Richard Milhouse Nixon by NASA to pick out the Apollo landing sites.
So there's an extraordinary linkage currently mysterious between NASA, the moon, Mars, and ancient Egypt.
So we used our computer, we used this extraordinary program, Redshift, which you now have, Art.
And we laid out a projection of when maybe someone would go beyond Gentenbrink's door and attempt to enter that so-called secret chamber, the ISIS chamber that I am projecting is behind the door.
And that room is two meters by a meter and a half, Richard.
Well, that's according to information that you developed independently.
And we will get to that in a second, all right?
So in the fall of 96, I'm sitting literally in Ken Johnson's driveway at 3 o'clock in the morning in, I believe, September.
And I'm using this portable laptop, and I'm running the calculations for when they, whoever they are, Awas, El Baz, and company, would probably attempt to go through that door with an optical probe.
And I ran several dates, and the date that I picked, and I came on your design.
There were two other dates that I did not announce, where the stellar configuration matched exactly this cartography, which would also have been propitious in the mythology.
Those I did not reveal.
One was November 8th, and there was a third one, which I'm not going to talk about for a second here.
I found Larry a willing observer.
We put him on an airplane.
I sent him as part of the Enterprise mission to go and, as part of his own research, take some time out and hang out and talk with his colleagues and his sources and his contacts, take video, and just watch and see what happened on December 5th.
Well, I was talking to some of the security people, and this is around the 3rd of December leading up to the 5th activity that Richard just referred to.
And I found out that on October, about two months ago, as I was put by the security, that Farouk Elvaz and a couple of English-speaking people with a suitcase came into the pyramid early in the morning and closed the Queen Chamber for three and a half hours.
And then there were reports of a guard that's no longer there because Dr. Hawass had had him removed.
And in that process, he retired after, I guess, about 50 years of working with him.
And his retirement salary of 150 Egyptian pounds, which is about $150, was put to condition that if he ever talked, that he would lose this.
And even the revealing of this is a lot of information that they can track right back to him.
But I can tell you that if anything happens to that guard by what we're doing now, that if he loses a $50 a month pension, that we can well take care of him for what he's done as far as trusting us to take care of him.
All right, so that's something that if the listeners are listening, that we promise to take care of the people that are damaged through the process of this because I have had others that have helped me that have lost their jobs, and I have tried to financially give them support in the time that this is all affecting them directly in that village.
Well, his was that he actually saw the individuals in there on that day.
And then the things that he saw were that these people opened up a suitcase and took out two objects that were square, rectangular objects that looked like rocks, but could have been the computer for one side and the robot for the other, because we don't know other than he was escorted out at that moment.
So whatever they did inside, no one knows, or we can't find anyone there, but we can peg that they were there and the guard that was there watching them, because he's the one that opened the door to let them go in, was removed from the site of what they were doing, of which really violated the guard being present rules that's supposed to be there.
So Larry comes back and he says, sorry, Dick, no cigar.
Nothing unusual happened on December 5th.
It was not a Zed.
It was October 20th.
It was October 20th between 9.30 and noon.
All right?
So I didn't, I had never told Larry that I had two other dates.
The other date, and I again looked at the computer tonight just to refresh my memory, the dates and the times that this guard reported correspond exactly to the stellar cartography for the opening of that chamber or looking into it in October, October 20th, between 9.30 and noon Cairo time.
Richard, a piece that intrigues me is that they already know what's on the other side.
The activity to me of Mr. Elbaz seems that he was either activating tonal or doing something in the way that was just not to fulfill Ganterbreak.
Because to me, Hawaz already knew of the room down in the bottom and how it goes up over 250 feet.
They had already seen on the other side.
But this was the game that to me is being played by Hawaii to milk the public and all these little things to get the hype up, but let them only see a little bit and then keep going and going and going into it.
All right, let me have you pause there.
When Larry came back and reported this to me, my first question, as it would have been yours, Art, is, well, did you get the guard on tape?
And Larry said, no.
Or the policeman either.
Yes.
But I got their stories and I cross-referenced it with other people that are following this from the Egyptian side.
So I had what I felt was enough information to give to Richard because he couldn't get the video of the little room.
I used the modern village pyramid workers' eyes to tell me what was in there.
And I think Richard, on one of your broadcasts there on the Art Bell show, referred to the little black statue with the Ankh looking up through the hole out into the universe.
And then we both discovered about the same time that Edwards had described the same thing, unbeknownst to me.
And I found that ironic.
And since then, I have keyed backwards to the approximate time that even before when I discovered this room, that the Egyptian authorities were already aware of it.
When we come back, the big news, this has been leading up to what we're about to tell you is going on inside the pyramid with nobody's knowledge, has secretly been going on for some time.
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The Shore Expedition connected ARE, given permission by Hawass to do some things, not do other things.
And there have been several trips by Shore and company, geophysicists and filmmakers and a lot of other people who've gone over and who have done something.
And the rest of us have been sitting here kind of cooling our heels, wondering when we would ever see what they got to do.
I've had meetings with some of the key people in the Shore Expedition.
In fact, at one point, I was actually given an invitation to come, and we had a very interesting discussion with Graham Hancock and Robert Vaval that night on your show.
Well, nothing seems to be making progress, and this has gone on for month after month after month, and there's been stalls, and there's been factories.
Zor is fed up.
He canceled a five-year digging program in Egypt because of this situation.
Totally canceled it.
Walked out and said, I don't want anything else to do with Egypt.
What happened in the last couple of months, Sarah, as you well know, because I included you in on the conversation from the beginning, is that a member of the shore expedition came to me, called me up, and said, and I'm going to use paraphrasing now, I basically am willing to turn state's evidence.
I am so fed up with this insanity that Hawas is pulling, with the strangeness that's going on in Egypt, in the Antiquities Council, and at various other levels, and the stall tactic, that I am willing to provide,
under certain conditions, all the material and data and film and video from the Shore Expedition, provided you will arrange for a proper venue where all of the independent investigators get a chance to use this to advance the cause of openness and to break the wall of secrecy, which Hawass has been masterminding for a long time.
Well, we suspected that Hawass was part of this careful delay, delay, because something mysterious was going on that he was orchestrating, probably to culminate in the mid-summer of this year.
Well, one of the pieces of information was There was video.
And in tracking through with this source when the video was shot, what the video was shot of, it became apparent to me that the shore people themselves had filmed and not realized they had filmed the digging in the late, late fall of 1996 of a chap or a tunnel attempting to reach this so-called ISIS chamber from above.
Now, it's very important to get the time sequence.
These people, and again, I'm keeping these sources quiet tonight because I don't want to burn bridges.
Me too.
They were up there in April of 96 with film cameras as part of Shor's expedition and reported nothing unusual in the chamber just above the king's chamber.
In November of 96, when they were up there, they reported and they actually recorded certain tests, certain sound tests, that there was a long tunnel about 60 feet long that had been dug parallel to the south wall of the Davison chamber, which fronts on that secret room about 100 feet beyond, if our calculations are correct.
And it's what's below that passage that I have that when Richard's doing his, I have mine.
And when Richard's feeding me information, I'm seeing things that I haven't revealed by the modern workers as to what he's really up to.
Okay, so the sequence is important because remember, according to Larry's guard, his source, in December of 96, El Baz and company went in on October 20th.
And the shore people reported that the digging didn't start until November, a few days later.
So that's what got me very excited.
And I've been attempting to get more of this video to verify it.
I've now got some of it.
I've actually been provided some of the shore video.
And yes, there is something going on on this existing video.
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There were about the power cables running up and things.
In February, when the shore people were there again, my source reported that a new wrinkle had been added.
You can only get to this chamber above the king's chamber by a very rickety ladder, a very long ladder that had been built to climb up at the end of the Grand Gallery.
And there is a tunnel up there that was dug in, what, the 1600s, Larry, by Davidson himself.
That's why it's called the Davidson Chamber.
What our shore source reported was that there was a very thick power cable that had been added running from the Grand Gallery up into this tunnel and disappearing in the direction over the king's chamber, and it was hot to the touch.
Right now I've got a fact coming to you or an email with three or more pictures of what I'm talking about right now.
My person that was going to help me in this, because I'm so well known over there, we had to use a third person or a second person to go in and be my eyes, so to speak, but under my direction.
Well, when he first went in on the 17th, he saw two large bags sitting on the Grand Gallery step directly below the hole of the Davidson entrance above.
He saw the two ladders, of which one is relatively long and the other one extends it to make it enough distance to get to the hole.
And then he saw the power cords going up, and he also saw and noticed that the video camera, which is security for the pyramid, was facing the wall.
He took one piece of the rock out of the bag, of which the top one had also two plastic bottles for bottled water, which were empty.
The photograph that I'm sending you will show you those bags sitting there on the 17th of June, one day after we arrived, going up through just to get a case of the place.
And then on the next day, we went back and took more pictures and got more samples from the bags that were there.
These are pristine, looks to me to be Turin limestone rocks with no dirt around them or anything like that.
So then from that evidence, I called Richard immediately and informed him of the discoveries that we were encountering.
So, after I had got these photographs and then I got to Richard, part of the effort was to get me up there or my persons up there to video it so that we had a cooperating evidence to go along with what Richard already had.
But this proved to be more difficult than you could imagine.
Even with all my sources and the arrangements of things that I could have done, it seemed to just shut down all around us.
Well, the American Embassy had someone very close on the day that I was supposed to get the information that either I could get in or I could not to do this video.
And he is a fixture now in the village selling or buying horses from certain people.
And I'm not sure what his play in it is, but he's pretty knowledgeable to the activities of rooms because the person that he's living with or is associated with is getting suits for his children, supplying them with beer, and things like this.
Somebody from the American Embassy But he gets lost to beer and has no problem with that, so much so that it caused a big fight in the village between the two brothers.
And this fight was on the day that I was supposed to get my information that I would either go or not.
And in that process, I was told, no, you can't go.
It's just too hot.
The person that was going to allow all this activity of getting the ladder up for me was put down, and he couldn't do it.
And then the only way that ladder can get up is by the signature of Zahi Hawas.
Not Dr. Ali Hodson or anyone else.
Only Dr. Hawass.
So this is a Hawass secret project in the pyramid, digging a secret tunnel which is illegal to somewhere.
And while there are trying to get permission, he makes himself unavailable to me, Richard, so that we cannot get his signature.
He leaves and is in Germany until the day I leave.
This morning, before I left Egypt or the evening before, I had already been to the police and I had already informed them of this.
I had tried to get to Dr. Ali Hassan and have meetings with him, but he was not available, not available after repeated calls.
I informed his secretary that I would go to the newspapers in Egypt and give them the evidence, and I would let them go to him and ask the question.
So then I also, at that time, before I went to the newspapers, I informed the general that I was going to go to the newspapers.
He said, don't do that yet.
But when I couldn't get to Dr. Ali Hassan, who also left very shortly thereafter, Egypt, not available to be gotten so that I could get permission from him to be the meditation groups, which is sort of the business, at a tune of somewhere in 1,000 and above, for his signature to do that, that was my second option, to get the latter up.
He wasn't available.
So I turned all this evidence over to the police and to the newspapers.
And knowing that I was leaving, I went to the general as the last person and informed him that his investigation should go pretty quick because if he doesn't.
He told him that the American press and your show and the web was going to carry this evidence and make it public to ensure that an investigation into what is going on proceeds regardless now.
Because I told him, in his terms, I've lit a fire behind your rear end to keep you motivated.
And you go through and you do your job and you get to the bottom of this.
And if you don't, the press is going to want to know why.
And if you're going to silence the Egyptian press, then I'll fact you, Art Bell, three photographs at least of those rocks, that ladder, those power cords, that video pointing against the wall and all the activity.
There's another piece in this that we didn't get to, but one of the sources questioned the new upcoming director of the plateau, a guy named Fabri, about what was going on.
In case he didn't know of the illegal activities, we felt that it was imperative that he know.
So we informed him, and he came back with us because somebody tried to say they were doing restoration in there.
That wasn't true because I went down to the Sphinx and got the chips and compared them to the rocks, and they're totally different.
No, they're being emailed to, they're being hopefully emailed to Keith Rowland, who will get them up on the website.
So I want to tell everybody, before we lose some of the affiliates here at the top of the hour, to be checking my website because these photographs are going to be there, the ones you just heard described, showing evidence of illegal digging, serious illegal digging.
Before we lose the affiliates, there's a key thing here.
The assistant managing editor of El Was newspaper of El Wath newspaper, which is one of the key Cairo newspapers.
And the one to follow Hawas for a lot of years over the sabotage against the Sphinx that I reported years ago that was broken by the people of Hawash.
And because of the powerful foreplays of the Minister of Culture and several others, that that whole thing was suppressed.
And the truth ever be known will prove that the antiquities officials also broke the shoulder of the Sphinx to remove the only good man in antiquities, a Dr. Ahmed Qadri.
Anyway, here, this man, this assistant managing editor is a longtime friend of Larry Hunter.
Larry left a set of this evidence with Muhammad.
I placed a call to his home phone this morning, Art.
And what I'm going to attempt to do is to arrange an interview between you and this editor of this key Cairo newspaper who has now launched his own investigation into this secret tunneling.
Or have already occurred because when I left there, it was at about 10 o'clock that I talked to the general, went directly to the airport, and got on a plane for 10 hours to New York and then New York to L.A. And then in that timeframe, they would have woken up and gone and done their investigation into what we were reporting to them.
But on the afternoon of the 25th, we sent three people up there again, and the rocks had been removed.
But not before, like I say, we had evidences of those rocks out of those bags and in our hands, and we had them photographed, copies of to the police and to the press, and then discovering that they had indeed been removed on the 25th.
I want to inform the audience who's going to be up on the website looking like crazy for these photographs that it's going to be a couple hours at Minimum, and even then, we may not get them up there.
There's going to be a FedEx delivery to me, and I will personally scan the photographs, and we'll have that underway.
Look, anyway, you will send me, we've arranged, I gave you my personal address, and you're going to FedEx the pictures, in fact, even sending me a rock.
And I'm going to scan those photographs and get them up.
Richard will also receive them.
So if we don't have the photographs, the proof, up within hours, we'll have it up within a day.
Now, let's fill in some of the interstitial glue here.
This is a circumstantial case.
It is built on independent observers, both from the Shore Expedition and our own representative in Larry and his really magnificent efforts.
One of the things that Larry was able to do, in addition to the photographs of the rocks, of the power cable, of the ladder, of the signatures of the surveillance TV camera turned to the wall, which of course is a big no-no.
Well, the last time I really didn't think I needed it, but Richard seemed to think, see, I'm not a reporter in any sense, so I'm not trained in that level.
What Richard was seeing is something that I didn't.
That was two of the new items that he put on this agenda that I have my own research going on, and I'm doing other things that also at a later time, if we have the time, I'd like to share with you, Art, and your listeners the research that I've been doing over about an 18-year period.
The confrontation that will occur or is occurring this morning between the General of the Police and Zahi Awass, if it turns out that Zahi has been doing this without legitimate authority, What will happen?
Well, I don't think you want to go into that on this show because there are some highly confidential parts to this that should allow the Egyptians to get to the bottom of it before that's revealed to the world.
Well, but Art is doing a perfectly good job of asking.
Larry, let me see if I can bridge the gap here and not reveal sources.
From Larry's contacts, it is clear to me if those contacts are truthful and can be believed, and with 18 years of developing relationships, there's a certain modicum of trust that we have to understand that is going on here to protect this village at all costs because they are the eyes and ears that feed us any and everything of the illegal activities of those individuals who have private agenda.
Larry has been told that for a long time, Dr. Hawass and certain colleagues have had access through the lower part of the pyramid into this ultra-secret room or complex of rooms.
We're not quite sure.
I'm not quite sure how much volume there is in this room.
Let me shed some light.
There's a lot of things.
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Let me finish my limbing out and then you can fill in the details.
But you've got to remember, and if you'll just let me say it, they did try to do that in Frankfurt, Germany, but Egyptian special forces stopped them from doing it.
And I'm not worried because if God wants me dead, Art, I'd be dead.
I'm not afraid of any man in that regard.
When I'm in doing what I'm doing, I feel totally protected by a lot.
The important thing is, the important thing here is there appears to be a history, a long history, of duplicity regarding the nature of the pyramid and what it contains and its uses, and an intense interest on the part of NASA, U.S. Space Agency, in an ancient, dusty mausoleum for reasons that are not fathomable by current history.
And that everybody listening will be listening, and then these things will be discussed on a big-time level throughout the archaeological Orthodox or Egyptologists, if you will, in Egypt as we're speaking.
Because I know the children in Egypt have access to web, and I've watched them call up Richard's website, and I watched them call up Farouk El-Baz's resume out of the Boston University to see his activity and give me color laser prints.
So they have the technology over there, and what we're doing, even though it won't come out in the papers or in some other method, this is a source that will guarantee that people of Egypt under www.com can read it and see it for themselves.
And just in that information and effort alone, they will have a groundswell of what is going on.
Because these monuments not only belong to the people of Egypt, they belong to the world.
They're not the personal faults of any Egyptologist that they can do business with whoever for whatever reason.
These things need to be put in the light of day and under the scrutiny of humanity.
Enough that they got caught, and they were told by their Egyptian equivalent of our CIA to put them all back, and I'm not sure that all items have made it back.
Now, I've done the broadcast a couple of years, or last year or so, on public television, of which it went bicycling, and I have no idea who ever saw it.
But it was a program called Things You Should Know.
And I discussed a lot of this on that program, but I know that the majority of very, maybe few people have ever seen it.
But I have copies of both of those TV tapings.
It was two half-hour shows that I did to cover the secret room and concept and then the area of my research.
the key thing here is that up until this night on your program, Art, this was hearsay.
This is sources that cannot stand in front of a TV camera because pretty nasty things might happen.
And a reliable, you know, independent Indiana Jones type archaeologist who can only come on media and discuss what he's been told, but he can't reveal the sources.
So it basically is a stalemate.
But tonight, we have actual evidence of secret tunneling by a key director general of the Giza Plateau.
Well, at least his signature is the only one that can put the ladder up there.
We'll go, we'll take this policeman that was standing right beside me, and we will go and get an archaeologist that's not from the offices of Hawash, but one of his own men, and that they would go up there and investigate it.
And then they would confront Hawash with this.
And then when I went back the following day and in the evening as I was leaving, he demonstrated to me by just lifting one piece of paper that that photograph was on the top of his activity level.
My only thing was that I couldn't catch the flight on Saturday because it was overbooked already.
And I had some activity for the weekend that I had planned before I even went.
But I had told Richard that I would be willing to stay because this general, whenever I was talking with him, I told him that I had the high-8 system and that I would be happy to accompany him to go up there.
And I would video whatever evidence was there and then make a copy for him or give him the original and make a copy for me.
And he agreed that that was all acceptable to him.
Well, I think if it opens the system, if the honest part of the Egyptian government, which of course is overwhelmingly in the majority, finally understands why the stonewalling has been taking place, that Dr. Shor and his millions of dollars will ultimately have been put to good use.
Because if we hadn't had access to that independent evidence and would have given me the heads up to get Larry over there to get this kind of corroboration, none of this conversation would be occurring tonight.
It would still be in my notes because over the last, well, ever since I exposed the sabotage against the Sphinx and almost had Hawas put in jail for this, but through a long story art in the future for the listeners, that if you ever want to bring me back and go slow and just develop this meticulous 18-year effort, you'll find some amazing things.
And we'll kind of put it in perspective so you understand the significance of what you're hearing.
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Just a side note, this in from Reuters, and Richard will no doubt find this interesting.
An unmanned Progress cargo craft carrying vital repair supplies to the damaged Mir space station is going to be launched on July 4th, or at the latest, July 5th.
Anyway, I guess to put this all in perspective, we need to understand that the Egyptians are their own masters, or they're supposed to be.
They have the pyramids.
It is on their land, in their country.
They are a sovereign nation.
There are people who have the view that what's in the pyramids, or we think may be in them, belongs to the wider world.
But if there is a group with a secret deal digging secret tunnels and transferring things to NASA or to JPL or to anybody else, it needs to be exposed and it's not a trivial story.
And that's what we're working on here.
A lot of people will say, well, big deal, Egyptians digging in the pyramids.
Well, the so what here, of course, is it drives to the heart of what is the pyramid?
What is Giza?
What is the significance for the planet, for humankind, for a connection to an extraordinary high-tech program to explore space?
This is beginning to really round out the theory, the model, that the Giza Plateau is one set of artifacts that are in fact the relics of a former high-tech epoch of civilization, human civilization, perhaps 12,500, 13,000 years old.
If I could throw in, I would say several million.
Well, maybe in recurring cycles, and that's a long discussion, Larry, that we need to reserve for another program.
The point is that the model that we have been putting forward now, ever since we discovered this arcane and mysterious connection between NASA and this ancient Egyptian cosmology, and a key linchpin, a man, picked by President Nixon to literally design the landing sites, to pick the landing sites on the moon for the Apollo astronauts, who then went on to become a very high-ranking official in the Egyptian government under Sadat.
That connection has to be explored.
Let me give you a theory on that, Richard.
Maybe some of those items that you and your Clementine programs that you were going around the country is that you were theorizing that objects were brought back.
Is it possible that those objects are what Farouk took into the Queen's room?
I would more likely think that the guard is not familiar with modern telecommunications equipment.
And in fact, what was in that aluminum suitcase was, what you said, a computer and a video robot.
In the Egyptian texts, Art, there is a clear connection between the Giza Plateau and the moon.
Between the keeper of the pyramid, Thoth, who was a moon god, all right?
There are all kinds of texts relating that complex of pyramids to the moon itself.
We know now that there are artifacts on the moon, at least from our investigation we know.
We know that we went to the moon according to a certain ancient Egyptian plan.
It's conceivable that John Kennedy's vision, part of a Masonic tradition, impelled forward a space agency in secret designs to go and retrieve things that were specifically forecast would be found in certain places in archives that were buried thousands of years ago under the Giza Plateau or in the pyramid itself.
Well, I hear the argument, Richard, that what is at Giza belongs to the world.
I don't necessarily agree with that argument.
In the larger sense, maybe it is true, but in fact, Egypt is a sovereign nation.
Now, if Egypt, acting on its own, wanted to do archaeology, I guess they would have that right, and we might sit back and grumble and mumble and say, come on, folks, this is of concern to the entire world.
And we might have some reason to be doing that, but basically, they're a sovereign nation.
They can do what they want.
If, however, somebody is acting independently and our nation, America, is influencing our man, or the way you've described him, Zahi Awas, to do something secretly for us, then that needs to be exposed, and that's what I think this is all about.
One of the key things here is the relationship between Hawas and the ARE, the Casey Foundation, the Association for Research and Enlightenment.
This fall, in August, I was scheduled to speak at the ARE conference in Virginia Beach, as was Dr. Hawass, as was Robert Baval, and several other people.
When I talked with John Van Auchen a few weeks ago, and he informed me that he did not want me to bring a video crew and to video our presentation, I pulled out.
When he informed me that basically he only wanted 270-some people in a small room in Virginia Beach to see what we had figured out and not the rest of the world or the rest of the audience or the rest of people are interested, I said, John, thank you very kindly, but I'm not going to play.
There is some kind of interesting relationship documented between ARE and Dr. Hawass.
Dr. Lehner is a person who started out very much interested in the whole Casey thesis, which is that there was a previous epoch, roughly 10,500 years ago, the so-called Atlantean epoch, a prior civilization, and he, Lehner, with the aegis of ARE behind him, would get a PhD, get the proper credentials, go to Egypt, and verify it.
Prove it.
Hit an Egyptian wife.
Somewhere along the line, Dr. Lehner jumped the ARE ship and has now become one of the most vocal critics of the whole Atlantean ancient civilization scenario.
This whole dating, you know, where he dated the top of the pyramid as being older than the bottom and a whole bunch of incongruities, basically fits into the thesis that there's more to this pyramid than meets the eye or modern scientific analysis.
And what we seem to be seeing, particularly if we can Trust Larry's sources that material has been taken out of this secret chamber and funneled for a very high value to JPL of all places.
And it was done through the causeway off the east side down through into a little area across two canals called El Kum Laudi.
We seem to be seeing a model of a high-tech complex being looted by agents of a high-tech government for purposes somehow connected to the larger government space effort.
The thing that I'm concerned with is we're coming up on a key date.
Because of the computer, because of our ability to match the stars and to find these configurations and this thread through the moon landings, the Mars landings, the sighting over Phoenix, over the Giza Plateau, all coming to a climax on June 20th, 1997.
And Larry and his And Larry and his colleague, it's getting late over here, guys.
Larry and his colleague finding the bags of rocks, big rocks, which are the kind that you get when you break through a hole and go tumble into a larger chamber.
All right, that's when the stuff gives away and you get the big pieces.
So I think his inference that those are the last pieces when they got through in the new tunnel up above is very accurate.
That implies to me that we're on the verge of some kind of climax.
And I am very disturbed by what appeared on NASA's website tonight regarding Mars Pathfinder, because I'm beginning to believe that there will be two programs regarding Mars.
The one we get to see in the computer, very nicely made up in the virtual reality world of digital data bits, so that all the honest folks think they're seeing Mars when in fact they're seeing an incredibly sophisticated high-tech simulation.
And then the real program, which will culminate for some purpose unknown, on the 20th in synchronization with events to be held in the pyramid at Giza itself.
The 20th from Mars' aspect, because we're dealing with the helikiel rising of Sirus coming up on the 26th of July, which is where from the Egyptians' point of view on the Giza plateau and the horizon is that Sirus will come up just before the sun after having been behind it for 70 days.
And this activity of going on now is foreshadowing the event of some ceremony associated with that star rising.
And that ceremony involves reincarnation, rebirth, immortality, the arkur, the end of the beginning, the beginning of the end.
In other words, the phoenix, the new rising from the ashes of the old.
And Richard, if I can add a little for Arts here, because he did ask this, I would just suggest you read the Osirian funerary text, and maybe they have the opening mouth ceremony to occur with what's underneath that room.
And that's very dangerous because that, in a sense, all this belongs to God.
I mean, when you say it belongs to the Egyptians and it belongs to the world, I only see God as the architect in this, and I don't want to get religious off on a high level here, but these things are beyond anything that we in modern times can even fathom.
I think that the body is what they're after of Osiris.
And I'll go on record with that right now, if that's what you were trying to get out of me before I said I would like to lay a lot of groundwork first because I have literally hunted the deserts of Egypt, the hills, the farm for the layout of the Orion constellation, of which I finished this trip.
I've got the head of Messiah, the star of the Orion constellation.
I have the nebulas of Orion, M42 and 3.
I have GPS every one of these by right ascension and declination, correcting Robert Bovald's errors of naming Zaliat Bellatrix, of which should have been Betelgeuse, shifting everything back out to the correct axes of which he would find, with no problem, the things that he couldn't find in his book.
And he refuses to this day to get with me and let me show him what he misrepresented to the reader at large that purchased his book.
I've invited them to go with me, and they were going to go, and then they backed out several times back of, let's say, I took four trips last year, and in the February trip I invited them.
But then Robert Beauval didn't want to be a part of it.
and it's his theory, and his theory won't stand up to scientific right, ascension, declination, scrutiny of meridian passages, the sequence of Rigel and...
What Beauvol has laid out in his book is a very interesting idea, that the three main pyramids on the Giza Plateau correspond to the belt stars in the constellation of Orion, i.e.
Osiris.
What Larry has been doing quietly for about 18 years is trying to find independently, even earlier, all the other stars in the Osiris-Orion constellation as marked by aging, crumbling little bits of pyramidal architecture in the desert sands of the surface level.
And using this modern GPS technology, remember McDolan?
He is able to site himself in the desert on a mound and correlate that cartographic map position on the Earth on the Sahara plain with the celestial position Of the star corresponding to that spot in the sky over Egypt itself.
It's a literal equivalent of what we've been doing in the computer.
And what he has discovered, and what we're in the process of carefully corroborating, is that the Orion he has now found, corresponding to all the other stars above and beyond the three belt stars, is an Orion that is subtly different than the Orion we now see.
And when you look at the positions of that Orion constellation and you plug in the proper motions, the actual drift in space of the stars, you find that those stars correspond to the Orion as it would have appeared over Egypt several hundred thousand to perhaps a million years ago.
Make away with several, and I'll be.
That's why, there's a certain figure of uncertainty here, but that's why I think Larry is on the correct trail of the longevity and the ancient magnitude of this civilization and the various cycles and epics it's gone through and how all this information has become and has been handed down to us through some preservers, some core group.
And the fact that I can now find this same information showing up at the centerpiece of the American space program with key personnel connected between these two cultures should provoke everyone listening to us tonight to want to know what in the world is going on and what's going to come to a climax on July 20th, 1997.
Well, I'm going to give a presentation in Lothman, Nevada in around August.
There's a week presentation there put on by Bob Brown.
I don't know if it's all right to talk like this, but I have two hours that I'm going to give a presentation of walking an individual through the procession text of Buna's sixth dynasty to where he went from on Heliopolis to a point called Letopolis, making a turn and then going into the center of Duat to his fortress down through a gateway to become Orion.
I have literally documented this whole thing.
I have the film footage of my 1988 time where I went down in underneath the secret room and I had an antiquities official making noise that I picked up on my video.
So when I get ready for this presentation on August the 10th or that week of it, I need this month between where I've just finished my research to smooth it all out, get my videos together and make one heck of a good presentation to get the attention that this is all highly scientific and that it is verifiable by science,
of modern astronomy, and by techniques of GPS and going to the actual site and finding the evidence that supports the location of the mass of the star to the terrestrial picture on Egypt's plateau.
I've done it.
I finished.
I'm ready now.
As Richard said, I've been doing it for 18 years and I've been very quiet.
You have got the crack on that because that's really an exclusive on what I've been doing that I've been very quiet and going over meticulously and I have the trust of a lot of people.
But now it comes to the point where after the evidence that I just acquired for Richard to support what he already had, is that I'm thoroughly convinced that we've got to stop whatever they're doing right now.
Well, only, you know, I would hope not, but for the sake of the things that are there and its potential for whatever humanity will benefit from this, is that it wasn't ever meant for the grave robber.
In service to it not being too late, Larry is going to be joining us in Phoenix.
He doesn't know this, but he's going to be joining us in Phoenix, all right?
And he's going to be presenting this evidence, the video, the photographs, the complete story.
There's more of the evidence that we haven't had time to provide tonight.
For people who want to join us physically, call this information number, 602-944-2434.
602-944-2434.
And you'll see a lot more than we're going to get up on the website in the next few hours.
You'll see the complete story, and you can participate in exploring this link between what they're planning at Giza and what someone seems to be planning in Phoenix, Arizona.