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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 11, 1997.
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones.
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I'm Art Bell.
Somebody sent me a little email earlier and said, you know, I listen to you here in Hawaii, so I know how you get here.
But how do you get to Tahiti?
Well, the answer is simple.
From Hawaii.
There's something about salt water that conducts very well.
And I get a constant stream of letters and postcards and email from Tehiti.
So I include them in.
A lot of listeners in Tehiti.
You're in for a real treat this morning.
Jim Morris, author of a very, very, very popular new book called Alien Agenda, is my guest.
It's a Harper Collins book, so you will find it everywhere, I suppose.
I got a piece of email earlier that, uh, actually a fax, that will, um, Perhaps explain it.
Art from ancient astronauts to NASA knots, from the hills to Hopkins, from our very creation to considerations of both religious and metaphysical issues.
Alien agenda.
Don't miss even the most minute aspect.
Does not miss even the most minute aspect of the UFO alien reality.
My word.
Interested in crop circles, cattle mutilations, men in black, remote viewing, ancient artifacts, underground bases, abductions, the government, etc., you name it, turn to the chapter, it's all there.
In addition to his outstanding extensive research effort that includes both acknowledgement and description of the hard work of other courageous explorers and writers in the field, Jim Mars is aware of something he refers to as mindset.
He never forgets that what makes an objective evaluation of the data from all these areas so difficult is that collection of nerve cells between our ears.
As an ordinary citizen who's looked into these enigmatic issues for the past two years, has read countless books, watched and listened to countless tapes, Downloaded countless documents and thought countless thoughts in the process.
Reading this book was a rewarding experience that would require countless words to describe.
This was the best thing since The Quickening.
And in my opinion, not only compliments, but is a real companion piece to your own extraordinary and enlightening work.
I say four cheers for Art and Jim.
P.S.
Between this book and The Quickening, I've tagged so many pages that I expect to get a Christmas card from the post-its division of the 3M company.
I do like the quote, these babies are huge, sir, quote on page 20.
The speculation about MJ-12 on page 168, very interesting, last sentences of appendices of page 394 relate To discussion of last night, as does other material in the book.
It's the only composite work of its kind that I've ever seen that mentions Robert Morning Sky.
So you know this guy has done his work.
So there you go, and I very much appreciate that.
And we're going to talk to Jim Marr, author of Alien Agenda, And I suspect this is one night when we are going to get to most aspects of the entire alien question.
Here's another one coming in beforehand.
The Alien Agenda.
The most fascinating, revealing book that I've ever read.
I've got it.
Do you?
Matter of fact, I'll hold up this fax.
Yes, by the way, we have a webcam going.
A webcam, so...
If you get an opportunity to go up on the net, by all means, do so.
And when you do, just click on the first area that says Arts Webcams or Studio Cam or something like that.
And when you do, you will see a compelling photograph.
One of three, actually, I guess, of me sitting here doing my program.
We've got three cameras in sequence monitoring the program.
And so for as long as you can stand it, you can sit there and from time to time I hold little things up that relate to the program.
As a matter of fact, I've got a good picture of Jim Mars right here in my hand.
I had to hold that up so that you can see what he looks like.
We'll talk to Jim about that.
I'm trying to think of exactly who he looks like.
Jim Mars looks like somebody that I know from the movies or from someplace.
Sure, I'm going to ask him about that in a moment.
So, in a moment, coming up, Jim Mars and his very substantial book,
Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us Alien Agenda.
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Nobody wants that.
Obviously.
But, I don't know who to believe anymore.
Because, you know, if something happens, you would think, oh my gosh, this is real terrorism.
But then on the other hand, you say, this is just their way of saying we need to implement more of these controls.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
The problem is, you have to look at everything as if it's a conspiracy.
Because nowadays, you just don't know.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Pornucopia.
Just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to on radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, Do you think George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the airwaves and tell people this, I shall.
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You are listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 11th, 1997.
All right, now we are going to Texas, all the way down to Texas.
And here is Jim Mars.
Jim, welcome to the program.
Well, good evening.
It's certainly nice to be with you.
Oh, I can hear a Texas accent in there.
Are you an original Texan, Jim?
Yeah, born and raised in Fort Worth.
All right.
How in the world did you get started in The whole UFO field, it's like you came out of nowhere.
It's not that I don't know you, Jim, but I had never heard of you before, and all of a sudden you've got this gigantic hit book.
Well, actually, in fact, I wanted to correct something you said earlier that, yeah, I've spent the past two years working on my new book, Alien Agenda, but I've been interested in keeping up with the UFO phenomenon since the 50s, since I was a kid.
The thing that actually prompted me to, well, two things prompted me to write this book.
With the success of my last book, Crossfire, which had to do with the Kennedy assassination and subsequent government cover-up, I asked people all over the place, I said, well, what do you think is the next big, deep, dark, secret government cover-up?
And you know, it was almost unanimous, Art.
They said UFOs.
So I said, well, you know, I've been dealing with that for years, but I didn't feel like I had any right to write about it.
Because I was like everybody else.
I'd read all his material and there's something going on, but how do you get a handle on it?
How do you figure out what is the alien agenda?
Okay, they're here.
What do they want?
Exactly.
The thing that prompted me and that I felt like I was getting some valid insight in was the government studied and utilized remote viewing.
I interviewed about a dozen of the government-trained remote viewers, and each and every single one of them had had direct contact, direct knowledge of the UFOs.
That's correct.
And I said, wow.
And so, as with anything else, you have to be careful with this.
You can't just leap out on a limb and say, oh, it's this and that.
But by synthesizing and coordinating some of the information that's coming in from the remote viewers, and now, by the way, there's plenty of civilian remote viewers out there.
In fact, from my book, Alien Agenda, as far as I know, I commissioned the very first formal remote viewing study of UFOs.
And it was very interesting because seven remote viewers who had prior testing and had a known track record were employed in this study, and none of them knew what the subject was.
They simply got a coordinate number.
I think you're familiar with that.
I certainly am.
So that you might know, Jim, I've interviewed Probably the top remote viewers in the field right now.
Oh yeah, I know you have.
I know that you've spoken to Dave Morehouse and many others.
But here's what's interesting.
Out of the seven remote viewers, five immediately knew that they were looking at UFOs.
But you know, doesn't that Jim, then say something about the nature of the aliens?
that the remote viewers have encountered these beings again and again and again
or even dating back to the military program right where the military didn't
want them to encounter this kind of thing. They were encountering it
according to Ed Dames and others. They were encountering beings
they just simply could not explain it.
In fact, some of them got so disturbed they got blown out of the program.
That's right.
And some of their superiors said, I don't want to hear about this.
It was very disturbing to them, too.
And again, now we're bumping up against the mindset situation.
It's not in the book, Art, but I heard a great story just a week or two ago that to me defines mindset.
It seems that back in the fifties a plane load of army officers were flying along and they encountered a huge glowing orange cylindrical UFO which circled around their plane, flew alongside for a while, and finally shot straight up and went out of sight.
After they landed, one of these army officers, who happened to be a psychiatrist, Actually, it's kind of like my wife.
I'm curious.
And his reply was, yes, but I turned my head because I don't believe in those things.
Now that's mindset.
Um, actually, it's kind of like my wife.
I'm curious.
We have seen two, Jim, and she does not want to see those things.
She doesn't like to talk about them, and because of the nature of the material that I deal with, in the last three years, we have four years, we've seen two, and I made her come on the air both times, reluctantly, to back me up.
Well, let me ask you, is it because she fears public ridicule, or is it because she just fears the implications of the whole thing?
The latter.
She's a Catholic.
She is probably unsure of their origin and agenda.
And by the way, so am I. So am I. I don't claim to have the hard and fast 100% sure answers.
Let's go back to the remote viewers for a second.
They deal in a kind of a strange realm, remote viewers.
So does that say That the aliens are in that same realm, or what does it say about the aliens, that they're not only sometimes in the same physical realm that we're in?
I think you're touching on it there, and I think this is one of the things that helps explain the maddening lack of physical evidence, is that according to just about all accounts, not only the remote viewers, but the abductees and the contactees and all like that, They operate, we're on this one three-dimensional material plane.
They seem to operate on other planes and perhaps other times.
And that's what allows them to kind of slip in and out of our reality.
And it's something that I think science, particularly quantum physics, could probably come up with some sort of substantiation, some sort of theory as to how that all could happen.
We're beginning to get into that ourselves in science.
But right now, it's just a little bit ahead of us, a little bit futuristic for us, and that's what's causing a lot of the problems.
Uh, you came into all this as a journalist, skeptical, hopefully impartial, and people will ask me this question all the time, so I'll ask you.
It's on your little sheet here.
Do you now believe aliens and UFOs.
Okay, I started off skeptical skeptical and now I would have to classify myself as a skeptical
believer because here I will say this, UFOs, the controversy over the reality of UFOs is
overdone with, okay?
Just forget that, they are real.
They are here, they represent materials, objects, and this is nothing new.
This was the official position of the United States government prior to 1947.
They said, yeah, there is something flying in the air that is real.
And the thing that proves this, because for a long time I too paid very serious attention
to the idea that perhaps sightings and even abductions were the result of some sort of
a mass psychosis, some sort of a hallucination, you know, produced by God knows what, you
know.
The thing that lays that to risk is the advent of the camcorder.
Today everybody and their dog has a camcorder and there is not a week goes by that somebody
doesn't get some pretty decent tape of a UFO.
So you can't take pictures of a hallucination or a psychosis, so forget that.
They're real.
Now we're to the question of, okay, who are they and what do they want?
And this, I will freely admit, gets into some pretty speculative areas.
But looking over the past history, looking over the information that is now available, looking into our past, And looking at the overwhelming evidence that points to advanced technology in man's prehistory and such things as that.
And then of course with the remote viewers I think we can begin to get somewhat of a general picture of the alien agenda.
Alright.
Do you think that ultimate proof of the existence of aliens will come From some sort of physical evidence or some sort of metaphysical evidence?
I think it's going to come from something pretty physical.
It may be already underway.
I do not think it's going to come from the government.
You're not going to have them voluntarily acknowledging what they know because that would be endangering their power and control.
But what you're going to have is going to be coming from the UFOs themselves.
And they are going to, at some point, have such an event You've seen by so many people, recorded by so many people, that it will be beyond discussion and beyond controversy.
Undeniable, huh?
Right.
And, you know, we may already see the beginnings of this in the skies over Phoenix.
Uh, we may.
Thousands of people have seen that.
Alright, Jim, hang tight.
We'll be right back to you.
My guest is Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda, one of the most comprehensive books ever written.
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He wrote Alien Agenda.
In other words, whoever they are, what the hell do they want?
We'll get back to them in a moment.
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Nobody wants terrorism, obviously, but I don't know who to believe anymore.
Because, you know, if something happens, you would think, oh my gosh, this is real terrorism.
But then on the other hand, you say, this is just their way of saying we need to implement more of these controls.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
The problem is, you have to look at everything as if it's a conspiracy.
Because nowadays, you just don't know.
You are listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 11th, 1997.
Back now to Jim Mars and Alien Agenda.
Jim, I agree with you.
I've seen two of these damn things.
There is no question about it.
They're here.
They are something.
But people will ask me, do you believe in UFOs?
Do I believe we are being visited?
And I say, no.
You know, I'm not... I wouldn't say I believe, because that implies a leap of faith.
Yeah, right.
And I'm not ready to leap yet, but I'm very interested, and I do believe there is something here.
So my question is, Well, here's the problem.
We're going through a process.
think you know how they want
we were going through a process back in the fifties poll showed that
virtually nobody believe there was any life outside the earth
Right.
Then as we got into the 60s, it was more and more people began to think, well, you know, I think it may be there.
And then the question became, do they come from Mars or do they come from Venus?
Well, now we're a little more progressed now, a little more knowledgeable, and now the question is, do they come from the Pleiades or Zeta Reticula V, you know?
And the thing is, I think we're slowly but surely coming to the truth of the matter, which is the answer is yes, all of the above.
I think there's an entire universe of life out there.
This is what the remote viewers indicate.
And I think that to try to ascribe one motive or one agenda to all of these various species and all of these different varieties of life would be the same as asking a primitive Fiji Islander What is the agenda of those people passing over your head on those Trans-Pacific 747s?
You know, you can't answer it.
You can't answer it.
Okay, I wrote a book, you probably know, it's called The Quickening, and I am fairly convinced, Jim, that we are really screwing up our planet.
No question about it.
Now, one possible motivation that I've considered With regard to what they're doing, when you look at animal mutilations, that sort of thing, I think they're monitoring us ecologically.
That that is a distinct possibility, that they see that we're headed downhill fast, and these reproductive organ removals and blah blah blah, these are things that would allow study of the ecological state of Earth.
I think you're absolutely right.
In fact, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I point out in my book, Alien Agenda, that an animal geneticist at Texas A&M discovered that humans share many of their cows are almost a perfect match with chromosomes for the humans.
That's the closest in animal kingdom.
I think it's 23 chromosomes or something like that.
And it's the closest to humans that you can get.
Plus, you know what they say, you are what you eat.
And so many of us are, you know, we're surviving on Big Macs and like that.
So obviously there'd be a hue and a cry.
If there were mutilated humans found all over the place, but when it's mutilated cows, it's just kind of a sub-controversy.
Well, Linda Moulton Howe, who's on my Dreamland program every Sunday, has been a very, very serious investigator into this phenomenon, whatever it is, and it is painfully real.
She's got a couple of books out with photographs that are undeniable.
People don't like to look at that kind of stuff.
But the fact is, it's occurring, and it was occurring with precision cutting years ago, before we had the ability to precision cut in the ways that we do now, but not then.
That's true, that's true.
In fact, that's one of the areas that I began really working hard as a newspaper reporter
here in Texas was back in the 70s with the cattle mutilations.
And I chased that story ever which way.
In fact, I attended the first and only cattle mutilation conference out in New Mexico where
the feds pretty much muzzled everybody and said, �No, just sit down and be quiet.�
And everybody kind of did.
I talked to ranchers and law enforcement people and conservationists out in the hallways and
they had some incredible stories such as the 30-year veteran rancher who said, �They're
telling us these are just the work of predators.� He said, �But how can a predator pull a
cow's heart out through a half-inch hole in its neck?� And things like that.
And I might point out, as you well know, but I'm not sure your listeners realize, cattle mutilations and the crop circles and the abductions, these things are not just some wild story from the past.
These things are going on right now, today.
They are still going on.
And this is my big gripe, my big soapbox, is that where is the so-called news media?
They are not publicizing what's going on.
There are so many crop circles.
Last year I tried to document each crop circle on my website as it came along.
This year there are so many that I'm leaving it to the websites that specialize in crop circles.
There are so many.
So you can't handle it?
I can't handle it.
That's right.
Now, what do you make of crop circles?
Fractal?
Messages?
What?
Well, in my book, I cite a remote-viewing study of crop circles, and it's pretty interesting.
Here's some food for thought.
Yes, they're messages, but the reason we can't read them is because they're not for us.
They are transitory messages left as guideposts for for UFOs and people traveling through perhaps other
dimensions other times.
When they pop into our particular plane of existence and they can see the guidepost that
says turn left or keep going or you're okay or stop here or do not enter or whatever,
then they know what to do and they move on.
Then within months that particular sign, when the crop dies or is harvested, then it's gone
away and there is no danger of a paradox being created.
Wow!
Isn't that an interesting thought?
Yes it is.
There's one other possibility, and that is that whoever this is, is not coming from another place, but another time.
Exactly.
Do you believe that to be possible?
At this point, knowing what I know and having lived my life, I'm willing to think most anything is possible.
Alright, let us go back to the beginning.
We're coming up in July on the 50th anniversary of Roswell.
Do you think Roswell is the best documented incident we've got?
Well, it may not be the best documented.
I covered the, pretty extensively in my book, Alien Agenda, I covered the Bentwaters case over in England, which was pretty well documented.
I mean, here's official reports, tape recordings, etc., etc.
But, I will say this about Roswell.
I think Roswell is the most popular focus right now for the whole thing, and I think with very good reason.
I was kind of amazed, since Alien Agenda is kind of a broad overview of the whole thing, and I was looking at it from that standpoint.
i'm not going to anything probably already are aware of that if you
considered uh... placing was will in the context of the times in other
words prior to july nineteen forty seven
the official u.s. government position towards ufo's was pretty open they
said there's something up there it's real it's flying around
uh... we're not sure what it is we think it may be secret soviet weapons you know
uh... but it's not it is possible that it's a craft from another world
and then in july nineteen forty seven of the sudden we have the incident at
roswell and within two months in september of nineteen forty seven
president truman creation
our modern national security state yes sir they create the cia they create the
national security council and what this does is take uh... or anything that they consider national security and
obviously you have those would be there
and it's sweeps it around puts it under the rug puts it under a curtain of secrecy
and and by doing this they bypassed congress the public the media and the whole
position towards ufo's then changed to one of uh... ridicule and dismissal
Alright, well then that would imply that something real did occur.
Something happened at Roswell, you bet.
At that moment, the government decided, aha, we've got something, we're going to have to examine it, the lid of secrecy comes down, the cloak of secrecy, and it's really been there ever since.
You've got it, that's it.
And it had to be, listen, well let me give you a quick little story that I discovered while researching for my book, Alien Agenda.
Back during World War II, the Japanese experimented with what they call fuego balloons, which were balloon clusters carrying incendiary bombs.
They sent them aloft and got them in the upper air currents over the Pacific, and they drifted over.
Their plan was to hopefully that these things would come down and maybe start big forest fires in the Northwest or something.
One of them actually made it all the way into the Midwest.
I think it landed in Kansas or Missouri or somewhere.
But the point of the story is that a female reporter at that time found out about this story and thought, what a hell of a story.
And it was.
And was getting ready to publish something about it when the FBI went to her and asked her, said, look, this is wartime.
If you publish this story, the Japanese will know where these balloons are landing.
They'll have an idea of what's happening.
You'll be giving aid and comfort to our enemy.
You know, please don't write this story.
and of course as any of us would have done she didn't print the story. She waited until
after the war to run her story. Now that's the way that secrecy should be done in a free
and open and democratic society. But at Roswell we have this specter of government agents,
military people threatening children and teenagers with their lives. I told one woman, a woman
uh... who was a teenage girl at the time did if she ever talked about what she had heard and saw and
knew about what happened at roswell that they would find her bones bleaching
in the desert now what happened at roswell
that made our government people so fearful that they had to threaten children
let's think about that there were a lot of people killed over spying with regard to nuclear technology
true so if
we received a big load of alien technology that we began to go to work
on at roswell
it would have been as big potentially is that because of course our military
particularly then would have considered it uh...
Absolutely, and you just hit on the key factor that I point out in my book, Alien Agenda.
the swiftest, most direct answer to people who say, why all the secrecy?
It's simply this.
All the documentation shows clearly that the one group most closely in authority over the
UFO issue is the U.S. military.
And in the military mind, the UFOs represent advanced technology.
And in that same military mind, any advanced technology represents potential weaponry.
So it's got to be secret.
It's got to be kept close to the chest.
And they've got to have total control over it.
But I think that's another factor, Art, is that I don't think they've ever had total
control over this issue.
And that's what makes them so fearful.
And that's why they've had to have such dreadful secrecy over all this.
Well, one thing you said earlier that intrigued me is you think that they are going to suddenly make themselves known.
In their own time and when it pleases them.
And frankly, I'm not sure we're ready for it yet.
In fact, I think one of the best answers I heard that I quoted in Alien Agenda is one of the abductees asked her captor, said, you know, why don't you just land and say here we are and let's be friends.
And she was told, You are not ready.
If we landed, half the people would bow down and worship us.
The other half would try to kill us.
And I think that's just about as dead on statement as I can think of.
If we face a crisis, Jim, environmental or otherwise, do you think they would step in?
No, I really don't, but I know there are a lot of people out there who are secretly, and sometimes not so secretly, thinking that our space brothers are going to land and save our bacon here.
I'm here to tell you, I don't think that's going to happen.
I don't either.
I'll tell you why, because these people are more advanced than us, not only technology wise, but also sociologically, or even perhaps spiritually.
And they understand that, you know, for a species to evolve correctly and take the normal path that God has provided for them, that you can't step in and interfere with them.
They have to make their own decisions.
It's just like children.
You don't do a child any favor by making all his decisions for him.
I'll tell you, I'm out here in the middle of the desert.
As a matter of fact, Jim, I'm right next to Area 51.
Are they packing up?
Well, what I'm suggesting here is, in the desert, you know, there are a lot of ecologically protected areas, and desert tortoises are particularly protected.
So, if you want to develop on a piece of desert or land out here, and you have desert tortoises, you've got big trouble.
And I wonder if the aliens don't regard Earth as a fairly hospitable, nice planet, But with seemingly intelligent creatures on it.
And until we leave, like the desert tortoises, they're not going to develop.
No, I think that's a fair analogy.
I think that may be true.
And I think that there are some of these species that are interacting with Earth that would kind of like to have a nice place like this.
But I think that they mostly, out of self-control and out of a sophisticated and mature I think they know better than to try to just come take it from us.
This may be a good point to point out here, which I'm sure you're aware of and hopefully most of your audience.
i can say with some assurity right now that i don't think their agenda involves
anything that's overtly hostile because simply because if they wanted to come and invade
the earth a la independence day they would have done that back about world
war two and all they had to do was face propeller driven airplanes and they wouldn't have
waited till now until we've got nuclear weapons and space platforms and laser technology
of course that presumes that they're not so far ahead of us that they could not
single button and simply eradicate all life and take the planet.
Right!
But the point is, Art, is that, yeah, they may be to that point, but if they are, they haven't done it, so, you know, we're okay so far.
So far, so good.
You mentioned Phoenix.
Now, in Mexico, the UFO sightings are so common that the Mexican people kind of go, Another UFO.
I know it sounds crazy, but lean Brit elders who I've interviewed have gone down to Mexico again and again and again.
Right.
Say it again and again and again, and they've got video coming out their ears of these things.
That's right.
And the big difference is, is down in Mexico, the TV networks actually put the video on the air, and they tell everybody this is what's going on.
That's right.
They take it seriously.
Now, what's going on here?
And I address this in Alien Agenda, because, you know, the old, uh, the old, uh, The stereotype was that the saucer lands and the little guy gets out, and what does he say?
He says, take me to your leader.
Well, who's our leader?
Who speaks for Earth?
We don't really have anybody that speaks for Earth, and that's another point, too.
I don't think any extraterrestrial species is going to sit down and try to deal face-to-face with the human race until we have a spokesman, until somebody speaks for us.
You know, you've got a very good point there.
I'm sitting here trying to think about that now.
Who does speak for Earth?
Nobody.
But there are people who control the global economy.
Now these are the people who have more than just a little bit of pull within national governments, including our own.
Now these could be the people, I call them the New World Order boys.
So maybe they'd land and go into a CFR meeting?
Yeah!
Yeah, something like that.
But, do these people want to deal with that?
No, because they owe their power and their wealth to their monopolies on energy, transportation, medicine.
Absolutely.
And they don't want anybody, and now you're to the real hub of the secrecy.
Alright, hold the real hub.
We're going to take a quick break here at the top of the hour.
You can relax.
And we'll be right back.
All right?
All right.
All right.
Take care, Jim.
We'll be right back to you.
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That's right, Alien Agenda.
As a matter of fact, in the introduction to his book, he simply says at the beginning, the controversy over the existence of UFOs is over.
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I have seen two of these objects clearly and close up.
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You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light.
See what you see.
See what I see.
That eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future.
And we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
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But I don't know who to believe anymore.
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Alright, back now to Jim Marsden.
Jim, your book is available in bookstores generally, is it not?
That's true.
It's a big book.
Bigger than mine.
I think mine's around 339.
Yours is over 400 pages.
Yeah, and there's still left out some things.
Listen, somebody just sent me a fax that said, after reading the greatest UFO chapter, You will never look at the moon in the same way.
That's true.
That's from Dave.
What does he mean?
What he means is that we tend to think that the moon's there, everybody sees it, you know, it's just there and nobody pays any attention to it because it's just a dead rock.
But, au contraire, that's not true.
There have been sightings of lights, clouds moving, things moving on the moon that go all the way back into the 1500s and 1600s and come right on forward.
There are some aspects of our moon that are decidedly alien, not to mention the pyramids that appear to be on the moon.
What do you make of that, Jim?
I think that this was all part of some sort of a system, some sort of a culture, society that was going on long before our ancestors stood upright and started throwing bones in the air.
Do you think that it was a previous civilization from Earth?
Do you lean in that direction?
Or do you think it was others?
The second chapter of my book, Alien Agenda, deals with the ancient astronaut thing.
And Art, the evidence for a highly technological society predating man's history is overwhelming.
Now the question is, is the one that you just asked.
Could that have been a previous human civilization that somehow just disappeared and we can't seem to find much about it?
Or did it have something to do with extraterrestrials?
And my money is on the extraterrestrials, and the reason for that is that in every human culture around the world, Asia, Europe, Africa, you name it, there are legends, stories, myths, that have come down by word of mouth over the ages that
talk about gods from the skies, that fly in some sort of machines and fly around and land
and then talk to the humans and have discourse with the humans, live with the humans. And these,
if you were just making up something and you wanted to make up a god, you'd have some great amorphous
thing that was, you know, that was uh... totally beyond human comprehension
These gods from the skies, they ate, they drank, they changed clothes, they took baths, they slept with women, okay?
They obviously were not that far removed from ourselves.
Now wait a minute, they were messing with our women?
That's what the Bible says.
The Bible talks about the Helium.
The Helium, according to the Bible scholars, were the produce of women and gods from the sky.
If we had a landing in Washington or Moscow or The CFR meeting or wherever it would be, if we had a landing, what do you think would happen?
The Brookings Report, I know you know about that.
Oh yeah, I cover that.
It suggests that there would be great disruption, that one of the most disrupted groups would be the scientists.
Very much so.
You believe that still to be accurate today?
No, I really don't.
I think that when that report was issued, which was back somewhere around 1952, I think there may be some validity to that.
I think people were not ready.
I think our sophistication wasn't there.
Our scientific knowledge wasn't there.
Like I said, polls showed that the vast majority of people at that time disbelieved that there
was any life outside the earth.
Today, the polls show the exact opposite.
Most everybody thinks that, yeah, it stands to reason, it makes sense that there would
be other life out in the universe.
And then plus with all of the conditioning that we've had, particularly, and I like your
term, the quickening, because I think it is a quickening.
I think that we have just snowballed along, and now with the X-Files and the Dark Skies and the Men in Black and all the things that are going on, you look around and you can't go anywhere without seeing an alien on a t-shirt or something.
I think we would be more open to this.
Well, think about this, Jim.
On, of all places, the Travel Channel, there was a little factoid yesterday, and they said, did you know that from the moment the Wright Brothers took their first flight, until the Apollo astronauts first stepped on the moon, there was 66 years?
Now, that's really something to think about.
We went from Barely getting off the ground to the moon in 66 years.
That's right.
And if you would go back just to the beginning of that 66 years where the Wright Brothers were just putting a machine up above the surface of the Earth just a little bit and showed them a television, a color television, they would have thought it was magic.
Oh, absolutely.
Because there wasn't any thought of that.
In fact, I hate to date myself, but let me tell you this.
I can remember as a young kid, there was no television.
Now, see, I don't quite remember that.
What I remember is... I can remember when there was no television.
I remember the first round little TV that came in a giant box.
My dad put an antenna out on the fence, and lo and behold, images appeared.
So that dates me.
Right.
But I'm saying, you know, I still think of myself as a young guy.
I'm just a little over 50.
And yet, when I was like, you know, 8, 9, 10 years old, there was no television.
We listened to radio.
That was it.
Sure.
I remember radio too.
Early days, when radio told stories.
Actually, in a lot of ways, we've come full circle.
Here we are doing the kind of thing we're doing right now, which is not that far flung from what was done then on radio.
Interesting, huh?
It is.
What goes around comes around.
I guess so.
But yes, and I think that has a lot to do with the perception of aliens, is that, and that's all changed.
You know, in the 50s they were bug-eyed monsters, and in the 70s they were E.T., you know, in close encounters, and now we're kind of back to, let's attack the world again.
What do you think we really know about the pyramids?
If you had to guess, I'm going in October to Egypt and to Giza, And I hope to get out of there alive for a number of reasons.
But I want to visit the pyramids.
There's something very special about the pyramids.
Absolutely.
And I think the key thing that I would say about the pyramids is that, of course, in popular and conventional thought, they were built by the Egyptians using their slaves.
And yet, the Egyptians only lived about 3,000 years ago.
That's right.
damage on the pyramid, water erosion.
And they know it's water because it's vertical instead of horizontal.
When the wind blows, it's horizontal erosion.
And so this means that the pyramid was subjected to heavy rains at one point, and there has
not been any heavy rains on the Giza Plateau in about 10,000 years.
So the pyramid obviously predates the Egyptians by about 7,000 years.
There's a relationship you firmly believe between what's at Giza and what's at Cydonia?
Well, I don't really know, but it's certainly intriguing because the photographs that we do have of the Sidonia region on Mars indicates pyramids of similar size and configuration as those on the Giza Plateau.
Certainly something to think about.
It certainly is.
And that comes back to the fact that, you know, that would indicate that there was somebody at some time who might could have traveled from Egypt to Mars.
And there's other evidence of that, though.
For instance, in my book, Alien Agenda, I talk about the Piri Reis maps.
which were done in the fifteen hundreds on maps that went all the way back to alexander the greek
that were based on uh... maps
that even went further back than that and these maps that were done by perry reese in the fifteen
hundreds clearly show the an accurate outline of the coastline
of antarctica how could they have
possibly known they could not because it was only until we had satellites
and uh...
infrared imaging that we were able to determine the true outline of the
coastline of antarctica because it's under a nice shelf Bye.
What do we know about the ancient astronauts?
How much good documentation is there that others were here?
Aside from mapping, there are a lot of glyphs, there's other proof, isn't there, that They were here, or we were here.
You've got ancient batteries, you've got ancient computers that have been found.
You've got the undisputed astronomical knowledge of people back in the dim recesses of our
early history.
How could they have known these things?
How does the tribe in Africa that talks about the two sons of the Sirius system, how could
they have known that?
It took modern telescopes to find out that Sirius was a binary star.
I had two NASA spokespeople on recently.
One of them for the Hubble Space Telescope, and the other for NASA Space Missions.
And they told some kind of interesting stories, Jim.
And then somebody came along and did a speech reversal on them, and some pretty strange things came out.
You've got your own take on NASA.
What do you think?
Well, I've talked to too many people who work for NASA, and again, it's one of these things where what they say publicly is often not at all what is said privately.
I think that NASA, you have to understand, has been an integral, even though we like to think of it as our space program, it nevertheless has been an integral part of our defense program for years and has been under the very stringent control of the military.
Well, if what you say about the moon is so, NASA's been to the moon.
So, what is it you suspect?
I mean, I'll just ask you straight out, do you believe that NASA has lied to us about the moon?
I think NASA has, yes.
I think they have sequestered photographs.
I know people who have gone down there and tried to get some of these photographs.
They have millions of them.
And if you go down there and you just want a picture of the surface of the moon, they'll give you a real nice one.
Almost framed, you know.
But if you ask them for the ones that show very odd things, such as tracks moving in odd directions on the moon, suddenly they can't find those.
Or they give you some blurry shot, you know, that really doesn't show anything.
Yes, I think there is plenty of evidence to show that NASA has not been very forthcoming with the public.
In fact, one of the things in researching my book, Alien Agenda, That I found the most compelling as far as evidence of UFO activity around the Earth was the videotape from the Space Shuttle Discovery that was taken in September of 1991.
And this tape was obtained from NASA and it clearly shows to just the untrained eye that there are bright objects a very great distance away from the Space Shuttle that are moving, accelerating, decelerating, changing course.
Yeah, you're referring, I believe, to STS-48?
STS-48, absolutely.
And, of course, NASA comes back and says, oh, well, these are just ice crystals from a water dump, you know, and they're floating beside the shuttle.
But the problem is, if you watch the entire four-minute section of the tape, The camera pans downward to the shuttle and then the camera comes into focus into the shuttle bay, which means it's focusing close up, which means when it was showing these objects, it was focused at infinity.
And you're not going to see ice crystals floating near the shuttle when a camera's focused at infinity.
So here again, we have NASA officials that are dissembling right before our eyes.
Let me tell you something, Jim.
Um, I'm good friends with, I'm sure you know, Richard Hoagland.
Oh yeah!
Um, Richard came to see me a couple of weeks ago.
When he came, he brought with him the STS-80 video.
Nobody's really seen it yet, and I can only talk about it in a very limited way, but I can tell you this.
The STS-80 video makes the STS-48 video look like A child's sandbox.
I'm serious.
What's depicted in 48 is very interesting, very controversial.
What is depicted in STS-80 is not only controversial, it's incontrovertible.
So they're doing work on that right now, and Richard's going to be on the air with it, but if you're writing another book, which I suppose you're going to have to It'll be a full chapter, believe me.
This is the kind of thing, but let me express, this may be a good point to express my concern.
Here's my concern.
Right now the government is just acting like it's not happening.
Hold on a moment, Jim.
It's a good hook point.
Your concern is where we will come to when we come back.
It's the bottom of the hour.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornucopia.
Just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, Do you think George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take, and you know what?
As long as I can continue on the airwaves and tell people this, I shall.
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Back now to Jim Mars.
And Jim, you were talking about your concerns.
Concerns.
Well, I think that right now we see the government in a deep state of denial, and they're saying nothing's going on.
I think what's going to happen pretty quickly, and from what I hear from you, I think you would agree with this, that there's going to be some sort of event that will be undeniable.
Too many people will see it, too much news coverage, something's going to happen that they can't deny.
And at that point, this is where my concern comes in, I think that they have probably already set up the mechanism and have already had the contingency plans drawn up and at that point it's going to be, well yes, your government is looking into this situation and during this crisis you'll have to just give up all your civil liberties so we can protect you from these things.
I wonder how people are going to react if there were an undeniable, unambiguous presence suddenly, and the government admitted to it.
If an event of that magnitude occurred, the churches, the people who go to work every day, the government itself, the scientists, every institution What would begin to happen on Earth, do you think?
There would be a lot of fear, and when people get fearful, they do crazy things.
They will give up their thinking, they will give up their rights, they'll just, you know, say, please, protect me, somebody.
Yeah, okay, well that might be the goal of government anyway, so there are a number of people who say, whether UFOs are real or not, there may come a time when the government would, if necessary, Stage and event.
For the very purpose that you just named.
Well, we've certainly seen it in foreign affairs.
Vietnam is another good example.
The Gulf of Tonkin.
We wanted something to happen.
off all nationwide uh...
uh... uh... palm drama against uh... all kinds of people to choose the
communist nobody else well we certainly see it in foreign affairs vietnam is
another good example that other because of the target uh... we want to have to
happen we made it happen
Well, here's the thing.
I'm a Vietnam era guy.
In fact, I was in the Army during Vietnam.
I didn't go overseas, but I had hoped that we would have learned something from that because going into Vietnam we were pretty naive and we pretty well believed what we were told.
But coming out of Vietnam, I thought we had wised up some.
But then you see the Gulf War.
And here's a guy who had been a two-bit tin horn dictator, but he was our two-bit tin horn dictator.
And then all of a sudden, he defaults on his international bank loans and becomes the new Hitler.
And people, you know, and to me, it was a very blatant, it was an economic situation.
Saddam Hussein goes to our ambassador, April Glaspie, and says, what are you all going to do if I invade Kuwait?
And he was told, well, that's an Arab question.
We don't have any particular thought on that.
What does that sound like?
It sounds like do what you want to do.
And yet when he does it, all of a sudden President Bush is drawing a line in the sand.
I was absolutely astounded.
I look around here and I see all the people I live around and my neighbors and friends and everybody is tying yellow ribbons and they're falling for it.
Then of course we defeat the third largest military force in the world in a matter of weeks.
Then as we're about to close it all down and claim the final victory, I don't know.
I guess he picked up the telephone and told those international bankers he'd start paying his interest.
And it all stopped, right?
He's still there.
So, you know, what's that all about?
And we're probably going to have to go back and do it all over again.
Probably so.
And now are we all just going to fall in line again and put up our yellow ribbons and say yay for our side and just follow along like the little sheep that I guess we are?
I don't know, but it bothers me because if something of the magnitude of extraterrestrial visitation comes about, there is going to be a lot of fear going on and we would be ripe to be whipsawed around by anybody that wants to claim authority.
What is your take on abductions?
A lot of people like John Mack and others have felt that abductions are the proper course to follow I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
I might concur with that.
I think abductions have only kind of cropped up in recent years.
I guess maybe Betty Barney Hill was the first big one that was publicized and that occurred about 1965.
I think what's going on here is that these visitors Hey, look, if they treated the aliens, our government that is, the way they've treated us, then I think you're exactly right.
with them and it was all swept under secrecy and plus maybe deals weren't honored, you
know, ask the Native American Indians, they'll tell you about deals with the central government.
Hey look, if they treated the aliens, our government that is, the way they've treated
us, then I think you're exactly right.
They would have dealt with them for a while and then much like I have, thrown up their
hands and said these people are irrelevant.
That's right.
Forget them.
And so I think they're coming straight to the people now.
You mentioned the abduction.
Let me blow you away a little bit here.
We're all aware of the abductions because the people who have had these have had apparently negative and traumatic experiences.
Therefore, they turn to professional help.
They go on the talk shows.
They go public.
They say, ìWhat has happened to me?î That's what we know about abductions.
That's the kind of people that Dr. Mack and Bud Hopkins and others are dealing with.
What I discovered in researching my book Alien Agenda is that there's a whole lot of folks out there who say, well I've had an experience like that but I thought it was kind of neat and I agreed to go along.
In fact, I've agreed to work with them.
And I wasn't traumatized.
And as a result, they don't seek professional help.
They don't seek the public ridicule by going public with their story.
And if my reading on all that is correct, then this abduction or contact type situation is much more widespread than even we believed.
Well, you've got to figure it this way.
A lot of people fearing ridicule would not come forward.
Probably the majority of them would not come forward.
Now, with abductions, there has been a certain amount of physical evidence.
Scoop marks on the skin, and implants.
And I think I noticed about the only photographs you had in your book appeared to be of an implant?
I don't believe I have a picture of an implant.
I don't know.
But there are people who say that these things exist.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's a puzzling fragment, not an implant.
Yeah, that's not an implant.
No, that was a fragment from the 1897 Aurora spaceship crash.
Which, again, predates all our modern stuff.
All right.
Dr. Mack removed, or had removed, an implant.
Which I've had on my website for probably a better part of a year now, and we've got electron microscope photographs of this implant, and it looks very much like something biological itself.
Well, that seems to be one of the arguments.
The debunkers come up and say, well, you haven't shown me anything that's demonstrably from another galaxy.
Some of this stuff is kind of organic.
But then think about it.
The more advanced we get, the more organic we're trying to make things.
They're making hearts and kidney transplants, things like this.
They're trying to get as organic as they can to overcome the rejection problem.
So, just because you find something that's organic doesn't necessarily mean that it's homegrown.
Alright, you've got a picture here of what appears to be a mothership.
Jim Covell, is it?
Right.
Tell me about this photograph.
It's a pretty intriguing photograph, I must say.
And I'll hold it up for those who are watching on the web.
Well, I'll be the first to tell you that this is not An Independence Day craft.
This, in all probability, is a temperature inversion.
But I published that because this Jim Cuffell brought that to me, showed me to me, and it was such an intriguing looking photograph.
He took that in the skies near Antioch, Illinois, on November the 10th, 1996.
And it was just an intriguing photograph, but I wanted to include that to show what What kind of things are up there that we don't often see and could mistake for a UFO?
Because I'm sure you'll agree with me that undoubtedly there are some hoaxes and there are some misinterpretations of natural phenomena.
About 80 miles northwest of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and I'm out inside of a semi-rural area, and I've got some incredible skies out here.
I also happen to be right near the northwest corner of what they call the box, which is where the airlines gather to be vectored into the DFW Airport.
And so I'm used to seeing all these little lights and things twinkling and things moving in the night sky, but I'm the last one.
I'm just going to point to one of those and say that must be a UFO because lights moving
in the sky has never impressed me that much.
Same here.
Same here.
And you remember some of the early photographs where you got like a little fuzzy blur and
a blob.
I always took that with an open mind, but that could be anything.
You don't have a website up, do you?
No, I am thinking seriously about getting into all that, but my big problem is I live so far out from the city that up until recently I couldn't get to a service provider except long distance, and that would have run my phone bill up unacceptable highs.
Well, you can get somebody who's good and they can put together a good website for you.
Believe me, it can be done.
Underground.
Now, I've interviewed a number of people about underground bases and tunnels and all sorts of things.
What do you believe exists underground?
What investigation have you done in that area?
I don't know.
That's intriguing.
There's absolutely no question that just beginning in the 50s into the 60s and 70s that the government participated in an extraordinary amount of underground construction.
They have things that, you know, You're about my age.
You remember in school when you'd go out and put the newspaper over your head, right?
have built huge underground facilities.
Really?
Yeah, and it's really interesting.
I really think that what happened here was back in the 50s, their big fear was a nuclear
war and nuclear fallout.
You're about my age, you remember in school you'd go out and put the newspaper over your
head, right?
Duck and cover, 100%.
Yeah, duck and cover.
Well, these folks decided that they really wanted to be safe so they built these huge
underground things.
But I think that it's evolved now, and I think that they're to the point now where they realize that being underground in a shelter might not necessarily save you from earth changes, from earthquakes, from volcanoes, from things that have been going on right here in our own country.
Over the last couple of decades and so I think it's entirely possible that there are again a facet of this secrecy is to keep sophisticated and futuristic spaceflight.
A secret.
In other words, we get to watch the space shuttle, and we get to watch the Soviet and the American astronauts up there cavorting around, but while that's holding our attention, they're using perhaps some very exotic technology to just lift off and fly on off to the moon or Mars or somewhere else.
That's a very real possibility.
Do you think that our present government, our current president, for example, Bill Clinton, I doubt it.
of this duality, these parallel and very different space programs?
I doubt it. I don't think he has a need to know.
This secrecy was instituted years ago.
In fact, just the other day I was talking to a fellow who had spoken, as I have too, with former Senator Barry Goldwater.
and got go order who was a ranking military officer as well as a powerful
member of congress he could get any of the stuff that it was classified much
higher than and he could get to and uh... basically kind of supported
that idea no i've got goldwater on tape thanks to uh... a friend of mine a kcm
all in uh...
I've got Barry Goldwater on tape talking about a time that he addressed General Curtis LeMay and asked him about this specifically and Curtis LeMay Um, literally cussed him out and told him, don't you ever, ever ask about that again.
That was Barry Goldwater.
And there's a ranking member of Congress.
Now, if a ranking member of Congress can't find out what's really going on, you know, why do people make fun of the average citizen when they complain that they can't find out what's going on?
Another interesting story.
One other president, Jimmy Carter, of course, promised when he was running, That he would tell the American people, you know, whatever he would find out, if he became president.
Right.
Well, he did.
And he didn't.
Right.
And, of course, Jimmy Carter has been one of our better ex-presidents, and he was at a book signing recently, which one of my listeners went to, and the listener really described it well.
So Jimmy Carter was sitting there, you know how you do, you've been to book signings, just quickly signing a book, hardly looking up at the person, Uh, handing them the book, going as fast as he could.
Right.
This fellow went out of his way to capture Carter's attention.
You know, eye contact.
Uh-huh.
And he said, President Carter, you promised to tell all you knew about UFOs and then didn't do it.
Why?
And Carter just sat there and looked at this fellow and tears formed in the side of his, uh, in the corner of his eyes.
It's quite a story.
And... Uh-huh.
It may be that some presidents have known some things.
Right.
But what can you imagine, Jim, that could be so dramatic that they could be told that would stop them from fulfilling a campaign promise or telling us what they wanted to tell us?
What could be so profound?
Mindset.
And let me explain what I'm talking about.
Pretty quickly here, you may or may not be aware of this.
I'm sure you will pretty quickly.
There's a book coming out about Philip named Philip Carso.
And Carso has impeccable military credentials, very high ranking.
In fact, was with an intelligence and connected to the Eisenhower White House.
And this book is going to really be a bombshell because he claims that he actually held the Roswell debris in his hand and actually saw the bodies and that it was a flint saucer and that it was bodies.
OK, and he's going to support the whole thing, the whole story that we've all already heard.
But along with that, He, I have heard from a friend of mine that has spoken with him, that he says that the secrecy surrounding all this was necessary because these folks are evil and hostile.
And I'm going, you know, how's that?
And I said, what?
What did he say that supports his idea that these people are evil and hostile?
And the fellow who had spoken with him said, well, he said that they came and hovered over our military installations and our nuclear installations, and when we told them to halt, they wouldn't halt.
And, you know, we fired at them and they went away, but then they came back and we couldn't control them.
I'm fond of saying the conclusion of Blue Book was, whatever these are, they are not a threat to national security.
Well, when they hover over ICBM sites, shut down ICBMs, hover over russian uh... i c b m sites right and start
launch sequences these things are going to change the watch code that's
right so if if these things do not represent threats to national security i want
a good definition of national security jim hold on we'll get back
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Nobody wants terrorism, obviously.
But, I don't know who to believe anymore.
Because, you know, if something happens, you would think, oh my gosh, this is real terrorism.
But then on the other hand, you say, this is just their way of saying we need to implement more of these controls.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
The problem is, you have to look at everything as if it's a conspiracy.
Because nowadays, you just don't know.
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eleven nineteen ninety seven alright uh... jim uh... you mentioned uh...
you mentioned uh... the course of a book coming out right now
there's a big controversy going on without right now uh...
was senator I'm sure you know about that.
Oh yeah.
He wrote the foreword to the book and in a statement Thurmond said that he agreed to provide the foreword on the understanding the book was autobiographical and that now he regrets that it appears to bolster claims of government conspiracy and cover up, quote, I know of no such cover-up, the Senator said, and do not believe that one existed.
End quote.
He may very well not.
We were talking previously about Senator Barry Goldwater.
Yes.
Now Goldwater knows that something's being covered up, because when he tried to ask about it, he was cussed out.
But if he had not asked about it, he wouldn't have known, and he could have probably said legitimately that he knew of no cover-up.
You know, everybody up in Washington is not in on this.
Everybody in the military is not in on this.
I'm not in on it.
I'm not either.
I'm on the outside looking in, but there's been enough evidence that's popped up over the last 50 years that I think any reasonable person would have to say there's something going on.
In fact, this is why I think my book Alien Agenda may be just the ticket for people who have seen UFOs, or who know people who have had an experience and that
really know and believe that there is something going on.
The biggest problem they have is with their friends and relatives and neighbors who say,
�Oh, you don�t believe that old UFO stuff, do you?� Well, this is the book to give
to those people.
Let them read it cover to cover and then have them look you in the eye and tell you there
is nothing going on.
I just don�t think you could do that if you were any kind of reasonable person.
We're going to go to the phones.
I don't screen calls, Jim.
I have no idea what's coming up.
So you're facing the general raw public.
Bring them on?
Yeah, bring them on.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Hi, this is Dan in Virginia.
How are you doing?
Great.
It's nice to hear a fellow Texan on the line, even though I'm living in Virginia.
You can take the Texan out of Texas, but not the other way around.
Absolutely.
I have a couple of questions.
One, have you had any personal experiences yourself?
Not as far as I know.
I give one brief little mention in the introduction of my book.
When I was a young kid, I had an experience seeing a real bright light that I thought was the landing light of an aircraft, but there was no sound.
I thought at the time it was a little odd, and I still think it's a little odd, but I'm not going to try to say what that was.
As far as I know, no, I have not really had any personal experiences.
Have you tried to find a correlation between some of the prophecies, you know, the Hopi Indians, the Bible, the Mayans and so forth?
Yeah, there is a surprising amount of consistency.
in some of those stories and legends and prophecies. I think it is probably like any other endeavor
of man. I don't think you can grab one and say that this is the definitive answer, but
when you study all of them there seems to be kind of a general outline of what goes
on and it is pretty interesting. Oh, absolutely. This knowledge had to come
from sometime in the past and so I have some connection to the sciences they had.
These are natives running around supposedly with no mathematics and so forth, but yet they had the star systems mapped out even before we were able to find them.
That's right.
And in all these ancient coasters, you know, when you ask the question, well, where did they learn all this?
Almost without exception, they say, well, the gods from the sky came down and gave us this information.
What about the one down around Austin?
And then I think they saw it in Dallas, oh, probably about three or four weeks ago.
Have you talked to anybody?
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Thank you, caller.
Yeah, something that apparently went from Austin Toward Dallas.
I had a lot of reports about that.
Alright!
And listen, I think that's one of the things that your show is really doing a bang-up good public service on, Art, is because here's what really bothers me, especially coming from the media as I do, just since the first of this year, 1997.
We're not talking ancient history.
We're talking about right now.
There have been some major UFO sightings in the Boston area, in the Atlanta area, in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and of course now, as mentioned, above Phoenix.
And yet, where's the national media?
See, it's almost as if there's a news blackout on all of this.
Now, the local media will talk about it.
Let me tell you something, Jim.
I had a Phoenix City Council member on the air, very brave lady, who dared go in front of the council and say, Shouldn't we investigate this monstrous thing that appeared above our city, almost like ID4?
I mean, it was just monstrous.
And they came down on her like a ton of bricks.
That's the mindset at work, reinforced by the government's secrecy.
And I think it's just horrendous.
Now, the government is going to do what it does, you know?
And if people, other politicians, local officials choose to follow them, that's alright too.
But again, my thing is, where's the news media?
The news media wraps itself in the First Amendment, tells us it's the watchdog for the public.
So where are they?
And I'll tell you what the problem is.
It's not in censorship or suppression of the individual editors and reporters out here across the country.
Obviously that doesn't happen.
But here is the key to the control of the media, Art, is in the control of the distribution of the information.
I watch carefully, I've been involved in a couple of large national stories lately, Jim, and it is my absolute observation that God help the person who tries to get in the way of the way the American media has decided it wants to tell a story.
What occurred at Rancho Santa Fe was an exquisite example of that.
They determined in the beginning how they were going to tell it, and by God, don't let any facts get in the way of that.
I was astounded.
I mean, you know, I come, you and I are about the same age, you might be a little older than I am, but I come from an era when You know, when the FBI would come up to the podium and they'd say something, it was like gold, you know?
It was gospel.
That's right, it was gospel.
What the President said, what the various agencies said, even the alphabet agencies, it was like gospel.
Today, it's totally the other way around.
When they come and say something about an investigation they're doing, you should almost assume the exact opposite.
That's right, that's right.
Very sad, very dangerous.
Exactly, and I think it's very reprehensible, and yet that's what goes on, and whose fault is it?
Is it the public that has suddenly just overnight become jaded and cynical or is it the officials
uh... within government who have been caught lying to us year after year after
year too many times i i i i think i mentioned in in uh...
my book alien agenda if the federal government of the united states was
an individual none of this would have anything to do with it
because he's a proven liar well
i'll tell you i used to be very very involved in politics That's how I began in talk radio.
And that was, in my opinion, in a day when politics was relevant.
But I look now at what they're doing and arguing about back and forth in Washington, and frankly, I don't see the relevance for the American people any longer.
The arguments seem...
orchestrated and I agree irrelevant and so I've kind of given up on it until something comes along that is relevant.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hello.
Hello.
Where are you?
This is Pat in Phoenix.
Good.
Welcome.
Thank you.
First time caller.
I'm real excited.
Have you seen the fangs in the sky above your city?
A wonderful source of frustration.
I believe them wholeheartedly.
I'm looking up all the time, and I have not seen one yet.
I haven't seen it either.
Did you see coverage on local Phoenix television of the objects?
No, I didn't.
There was very little.
And even the talk among people and friends are, well, it was the Air Force, it was all kinds of excuses.
There was nothing ever validating.
I believe flares was the first explanation.
Right.
Military flares.
Right.
My reason for calling was, well, Going to the Roswell incident, and a sense of, is it not possible, even probable, that our government had the encounter, they had the people, alien, had the information that we are not ready to know what they're doing, and I hate to give our government any credit, but possible that they have kept it secret for that reason, and I've had a lot of anger over them not publicizing, not telling us the truth, but yet
They know.
They cannot tell.
And that's the secrecy and why it's gone to the extreme that it has.
Well, I think that's a good part of it.
Because in my years as a journalist and a newspaper reporter, the higher you get in government bureaucracy, the more you run into this attitude of, I know what's best for the poor old masses.
You know, they're just too dumb to figure out anything for themselves.
and that is a very prevalent attitude.
And as I say, the higher you go, the harder it gets.
And I think there's a lot of that to it.
I think you're absolutely correct.
And a lot of people say the only way to do anything about that is to throw them all out
all the time.
But that isn't going to happen.
Incumbents are returned 90 plus percent of the time, every single time, so I'm sort of at a point where i don't know what to do about it uh... what
to do about the government how to make them come clean
i think i think that there is that what they're going to do is just eventually
uh... evolve themselves out of the job because you can look at the last election what twenty five
percent of the uh... russia
voters even bothered to vote that's right you know and so what's going to
happen is i think uh... eventually our life and our culture will kind of
evolve and move on along and and they're going to be back there screaming hey
wait for us we're your leaders uh... jim do you think time travel is possible
Bye for now.
Yes I do, but at this point I don't much think that it's possible in a physical sense.
I don't think we're going to be able to take human beings and hardware and guns and food and all this stuff and transport it back in time.
Where I can see, in fact from personal experience, I know because I've done some remote viewing on my own and I think that through the Well, the classic question was always, if time travel is possible, where are all the time travelers?
And I had an interesting character on the show, a show I'll never forget, Terence McKenna, and I asked him that.
And he said, well, they'll be here as soon as time travel is invented.
It's an interesting concept.
That's right.
Conundrum, isn't it?
Yes.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Hi.
Hello.
Where are you?
I'm in Salem, Oregon.
Salem, Oregon.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I had a question for Jim, two actually related questions.
All right.
You're going to have to speak up good and loud.
Okay.
Kick this up.
I can barely hear him.
I can barely hear him, too.
Okay.
How's this?
Better.
Okay.
I'm actually up late here studying for an astronomy final that I have tomorrow morning.
My questions are, if the government is keeping this such a secret, why are they doing it?
and the second question is i'm finding in my textbook
projects that are funded by nasa and by universities
which are funded by the government and their projects
to search for extraterrestrial life
all right well the first question uh... why keep it a secret
uh...
I think that there's plenty of good reason for Roswell, for example, to have been kept secret, and then secrets have a way of maintaining themselves.
And I think that might account for why it is still a secret today.
That's just my guess.
It's like a lie.
Once you begin telling it, you've got to keep telling it.
Or you've got to explain how come you told it in the first place.
That's right.
If I come out now and try to say, yes, something very unusual did fall near Roswell, then the next question is, well, why have you lied to us for 50 years?
But again, let me say the most straightforward answer to that question about secrecy is that there's no question, because the documents clearly show that the group in charge of all this is the U.S.
military.
And the military would view UFOs and spacecraft and all like that as advanced technology.
And any advanced technology would therefore be considered potential weaponry.
And therefore they've got to keep it secret because they've been doing that for the last 50 or 100 years.
They say the Cold War is over.
you know and and and that you know they say the cold war is over
i have great reservations about that uh... spying is still going on submarines are still uh...
capable of launching a uh...
capable of launching a probe against us
against us well are also consider this at the height of the cold war
are also consider this at the height of the cold war the soviet people are the people of russia
the soviet people are the people of russia they only had to really worry about one
they only had to really worry about one intelligence
intelligence uh... spying is still going on submarines are still uh...
outfit and that was the k g d today
in the united states of america that claims to be free and democratic
uh... with no war going on and not even a cold war there are more than twenty two
secret intelligence agency twenty two
twenty two twenty two and some of them so deep and dark that you know in the guy
in the desk next to him doesn't know what's going on
It's not even possible to follow the money.
You know, they say follow the money, but the money is so black, so dark.
You can't follow it.
In my book, Alien Agenda, I point out that just last year, the GAO reported that the NRO, which is the National Reconnaissance Office, one of these secret intelligence outfits, lost 12 billion dollars they just lost it we don't know where it
went and they in the New York Times in reporting this said that's due to the
intense secrecy that it's like SACE within SACE and they you know different
offices use different accounting principles and they just didn't know
where the money went well how'd you like to be the poor slob who had to go
before some sort of senatorial or congressional committee and say explain how
you lost lost keyword twelve billion dollars
Gee, well I had it when I came in.
It was there one morning and then it was gone the next.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi Art, this is Vince from Chicago.
Hello Vince.
Mr. Morris, I was wondering if you are related at all to another I'm very familiar with Tex Mars, but as far as I know, there's no relationship there.
Although every other Mars I've ever ran into, if I talk with them long enough, we generally start coming back to common ground.
He's written some books about the National Security Agency and Project Lucid and some He has this theory about... Oh, I know who Tex Morris is, and I'm sure Jim does too.
The New World Order, and he talks about an alien plot as far as the New World Order.
It kind of works in with an alien plot.
I really think you should talk to the guy.
Get him on your program, Tex Morris, sometime.
For a different perspective on the alien thing.
I know pretty much the text Mars agenda.
Let me put it that way.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with not text, but Jim Mars.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you doing?
Fine.
Where are you?
I'm calling from Canada.
Canada?
Okay.
Jim, that's a hell of a good name for a book.
Alien Agenda.
Yeah.
That is a good name.
If this big gray area turns out to be true, if all this is going to be some type of reality, I'm sure that they do have an agenda of some sort.
Absolutely.
That's interesting.
You titled the book, Jim, Alien Agenda, but do you really form conclusions in the book Uh, in fact, that's a question for after the break, about what their agenda is.
Very important question, and it's one we'll pick up on right after the break.
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Nobody wants trouble, it's obvious.
But, I don't know who to believe anymore.
Because, you know, if something happens, you would think, oh my gosh, this is real terrorism.
But then on the other hand, you say, this is just their way of saying we need to implement more of these controls.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
The problem is, you have to look at everything as if it's a conspiracy.
Because nowadays, you just don't know.
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tonight featuring coast-to-coast AM from June 11th 1997 alright back now to Jim Morris and we are going to
increasingly concentrate on the phones here
So don't despair.
A lot of you are trying to get through.
Hang in there.
Jim, your book is called Alien Agenda.
Do you reach a conclusion in the book about what the agenda is?
Well, I reach several conclusions.
Number one is that we started off talking about UFOs represent real, material, tangible objects.
and uh... although there are probably some folks is a misinterpretation and
there's probably some government secret uh...
technology testing that uh... could approximate some of them there is
nevertheless uh...
on the obvious technology involved here that is beyond uh... what we
humans have at this point so that indicates that they're from somewhere else
now when we get into where they come from somewhere else you get into a whole
little morass of theories and conjecture
But again, going back to the government-trained and experienced remote viewers, they say, and this seems to be echoed by a lot of the New Age philosophy, a lot of the abductees, the contactees, they say there's a whole universe of life out there, okay?
And that there are many different species, probably thousands of them, of intelligence.
In fact, so much intelligence that most of them don't even bother coming here.
But there does seem to be perhaps as many as two dozen, or maybe even more, of various ET species that are having some sort of interaction with Earth.
But again, they come from different places and they have different agendas.
And some of them are probably more benign than others.
Some of them may be here just on a scientific mission just to check it out.
Some may be wanting to just gather up a few specimens to go take back and put in a zoo or something.
Who knows?
But it should be obvious, though, to anybody that's thinking that none of this bunch seems to be overtly hostile because of the sheer fact that nobody's tried to attack their so far.
And it also makes sense to understand that if they are as advanced technologically Uh, as they seem to be, then they would be probably more advanced than us, sociologically, and they understand that it's simply not right to interfere with the natural evolution of a species, and that's why there probably is something in effect tantamount to what they call in Star Trek the Prime Directive.
Not to interfere?
Not to interfere.
It's just not right to interfere with the natural evolution of a species.
I think what's going on here though is that they're being pressed on this issue because it would be one thing to just sit back and observe us and watch us do our thing and watch until we get to a point to where we finally evolve to where we can meet with them on a technical level and on a social level.
Here's the clicker.
As you mentioned early in the program, we are in the process of basically destroying our world.
You know, the ozone, the pollution, the rainforest, you name it.
The oceans are dying.
The Mediterranean is practically already dead.
We've got some real problems here.
And so I think they're being pressed to try to push us on up this evolutionary ladder a little bit quicker
in an effort to try to, now they are not going to step in and they are not going to thwart
our free will and they are not going to stop what we are doing, but I think they are
trying to through various things by letting us, by these sightings, by these abductions, by
all these stories that are all flowing around the periphery of our day to day
consciousness.
They are impinging themselves into our reality and trying to get us to come get up to speed
on our evolutionary progress so that we will make the decisions necessary to get us to
Okay, if that's what they're doing, then one would conclude, as conditions worsen, they will make their presence more and more known.
In other words, there will be more sightings, more abductions.
I would think so, and doesn't that seem to be exactly what's going on?
Yes, sir.
It sure does.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Hi, Art Bell.
Yes, sir.
Turn your radio off, please.
Thank you, sir.
My name's Mike, and I'm calling from Maui.
Uh, Maui, Hawaii.
Okay.
Yeah.
Where you used to work, I think.
I did, yes.
Yeah.
I'd like to ask Mr. Mars a question.
Mr. Mars, it's a pleasure to hear you this evening.
I would like to know exactly, uh, the title of your book being Alien Agenda.
It sounds to me like you're giving, uh, without much knowledge, a lot of credit to the fact that an advanced species that can travel this far Well, I didn't say they were harmless.
What he said was that they have not yet harmed us in an overt way.
Yeah, okay.
See, again, you have to understand, we're talking about different species, and all of them have their own agendas, okay?
Some of them may not be as benevolent as others, but there seems to be no signs and no clear evidence that any of them are overtly hostile.
I can understand that theory, Mr. Mars, but my point is what I want to get across, and
I want to get your opinion on this, if I can express it properly, is that to get a species
to, regardless of what type of species, what type of galaxy or planetary system they come
from or whatever their elements may be, chemically or biologically, whatever, it would seem to
me that beyond any kind of monetary social evolution, they've been through the value
system of inventing and creating and getting through the however many years it takes for
them to evolve into space travel.
It would seem to me that it would be beyond the need for, say, plucking natural resources from a distant galaxy or destroying life of other forms just to see them squirm.
It would seem to me it would be more than curiosity.
Just to even fathom what their agenda would be would almost be 101% pure speculation.
You make a good point, and I certainly acknowledge that, and I chose the title of my book, Alien Agenda, because it's attention-getting.
It gets your attention, and that's what I'm attempting to deal with, but I certainly make no claims that I'm laying down gospel here and that this is it.
In fact, what I'm hoping and what I'm thinking I'm doing here is just barely opening the door On a public dialogue as to what is the agenda of these things.
I think what I do by trailing all the way back to the ancient astronauts coming on forward through the government secrecy, through the Robertson Panel, through the Condon Report, I'm detailing the whole history of this thing.
I think I can prove to any reasonable minded person that there's something valid going on.
There's a real tangible reality happening here.
And then I'll launch into some ideas and concepts about what this alien agenda may be, but you're absolutely right.
It does get into the area of conjecture, and what I'm hoping I'm doing here is simply opening up a public dialogue.
For instance, in the case of the Kennedy assassination, for so many years it was just socially unacceptable to even talk about it.
But by the late 80s, all of a sudden, it was on the table.
And now it's socially acceptable to talk about the Kennedy assassination.
And I want to do the same thing with the UFO issue.
Now, Jim, what do you think of Cicetti and Dr. Greer's effort now?
He's trying to get together a lot of high-level military people who have signed oaths.
Has done that, and has gone back to Washington, and has tried to present incontrovertible evidence, collectively I guess, or cumulatively, that cannot be ignored, demanding a congressional investigation of some kind.
But you know, his problem is the same with Hoagland.
They're doing some really good work, but they're not getting the widespread media coverage that they deserve.
There is definitely a blackout.
Let me give you an example of how this works, and I'm not going to use this fellow's real name or the real network because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
But let's just call this fellow Peter.
Peter worked for one of the major TV networks.
His job was on the weekend to take the affiliate feeds and check it out and decide what's going to go on the national news wire, right?
Right.
Okay.
He said that there was only two stories that required prior approval.
In other words, he had to take them upstairs to some brass to get the approval on it.
One of them was terrorism.
And I think we can kind of understand why that's there.
But interestingly, he said most of the time, oh, occasionally they'd say, well, go easy on this or don't talk about this aspect, but most of the time those stories went ahead and moved on, you know?
He said the second topic was UFOs, and he said when it came to UFOs, the stories never came back.
In other words, they never got on the network news, and this is what's contributing mightily to the confusion and the controversy that's going on over the UFO issue is because there is control, very tight control, over the distribution of the information.
Oh, that's a hot piece of information, Jim.
That's really hot.
Yeah.
You're pretty sure of that.
Yeah.
And yet, look at the way they covered Rancho Santa Fe.
Oh, I know it.
Well, look at the Build-A-Burger meeting, okay?
So, it seemed, in a way, when you look at Rancho Santa Fe, the coverage seemed derisive, trying to point out the nutcase, crackpot aspect of it all, and boy, they sure went with that.
They didn't have any trouble making a decision in the newsroom, the boardrooms, to go with that.
That's right.
Time Magazine wrote a piece after Rancho Santa Fe referring to my program and uh... the first line was uh... talking about reality challenged listeners
So, they cover it, but when they do, that's the way they cover it.
That's their mindset.
Their mindset is that I live in reality and you don't.
And yet, I think if you go and take an honest poll of the vast majority of the people in
this country, they're going to say, hey, I live the real life and the media lives in
their ivory tower somewhere and has no concept of what's really going on.
Boy, is that true.
It's absolutely true.
I come from the media.
I worked in it for 30 years and I can tell you that's exactly the way it is.
Yeah, hello, I'm Robert calling from, uh, Tennessee.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I was wanting to know what your, uh, guest thought about Dr. Greer's, uh, last, uh... Well, you just missed that one.
I just... Well, I've been on the phone calling for an hour and a half.
Okay, his comment was that Dr. Greer, like Richard Hoagland, um, they're both doing good work, but they're not getting the proper coverage from the American media.
That's his comment.
I wanted to ask you one thing, Art.
You remember when he said that none of his friends had their house or apartments burned down and a lot of that was overstated?
Dr. Greer, yes.
You interviewed somebody that was some kind of a jet pilot?
I did.
Oh, I can't think of a name.
He flew a saber jet.
Yes.
And he said he was threatened.
Yes, he did.
Did you ever ask Dr. Greer about that?
Well, no, not other than The fact that Dr. Greer said that as far as he knew, nobody had been threatened.
So that stopped that question cold.
So I didn't proceed with that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Good morning.
Hi there.
I can barely hear you there, sir.
Hi Art.
Hello.
Hey, calling from Big Island.
Oh, the Big Island of Hawaii.
Right.
Alright.
So talking about benevolent or non-benevolent aliens, you know every time we shoot up a rocket we're hurting the ozone layer.
So those puppies are coming down here and destroying the heck out of our ozone layer and that's not too benevolent is it?
Well, that's if they are indeed harming the ozone layer.
I don't think they know for certain that just passing through the ozone layer causes that amount of problem.
It's our jets with their exhaust that sends hydrofluorocarbons up into the ozone that's causing the problem.
I'll buy that.
Sounds good.
Keep going.
All right.
Thank you very much.
I'll tell you, it's, of course, often in the land of conjecture.
But if there were others, and if they could travel, and if they are watching us, and if you conclude that much is possible, then at the moment we begin to invent atomic energy, at the moment we have the ability to launch vehicles off our own planet, it seems to me the level of interest would increase.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
In fact, let me find this real quick.
This is going to blow you away.
It certainly blew me away.
And keep in mind, this is not an absolute certainty, but according to Major Kehoe, who, as I studied and researched, came to have a kind of a grudging admiration for, he says that in 1946, a Dr. Fritz Zwicky participated in a secret army ordnance project to bombard the Moon, Mars, and other planets with projectiles launched on V2 rockets.
in 1946. So the idea was they would place these things on top of V2s, fire the V2 up as far
as it would go, and then basically like a second stage, zoom this thing on out into
space with a warhead on it to create an explosion on the moon and on Mars and maybe on Venus,
other planets. And then astronomers then would look at this and from the size, configuration
and density and everything of these explosions, they could hopefully learn more about the
Oh, that's great.
Isn't that great?
So we're firing missiles off at other planets and then a year later all the UFOs show up.
All right, Jim.
Can you spend one more hour?
I'll try to hang on.
All right.
Hang on, Jim.
One more... Yeah, I know.
The short little guys with the big black eyes from a galaxy far away.
I've heard the horror stories being taken in the dead of night.
Laid out on the table like a Christmas turkey, afraid I'd die from fright.
They can paralyze you with their eyes and levitate you out of bed.
Pull you right up through the ceiling and start messing with your head.
Now if they would just stop at that I wouldn't mind too much But I've heard they'll probe you up and down And you won't like where they touch A little country for you The witnesses say they're a humorless bunch Like that I'm quite surprised If they watch all the reruns of I Love Lucy And the Best Saturday Night Live I don't want to be a lab experiment for the children in a place unknown.
The girls splice your jeans and they protest in vain to leave my tadpole guys alone.
Please Lord, if I'm abducted, don't let it be the grace.
Sure little guys with the big black eyes from a galaxy far away.
I've heard the horror stories, me digging in the dead of night.
Laid out on the table like a Christmas tree, I'm afraid I'd die from fright.
When Eisenhower signed the treaty, he never thought they'd stay.
Maybe hang around long enough to mutilate some cattle if they'd be on their way.
We've built them underground bases, and they're feelin' right at home.
Like that dream land in Nevada, where the antelope and aliens roam.
And Art Bell knows what's goin' on.
They'd probably give him rights for free.
For all we know, he's one of That's why he's on radio and not TV.
Think about it.
Please Lord, if I'm abducted, don't let it be the grays.
The short little guys with the big black eyes from a galaxy far away.
I've heard the horror story, being diggin' in the dead of night.
This is CBC.
Sitting down on a table like a Christmas turkey, afraid I died.
The End.
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My guest is Jim Mars and his book is Alien Agenda.
What a title, huh?
And here he is once again.
Jim, are you there?
I'm here.
All right, good.
I want to lay heavily into the phone lines this hour, and so let's do it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
Yes, sir.
How are you this evening?
I'm fine.
Or this morning?
This morning.
Good morning.
Mr. Mars, I was wondering, are you the Tex Mars that I've heard about?
No, he is not Tex Mars.
No relation as far as I know.
Well, I would like to share an experience that I had when I lived in California.
I'm in Amarillo, Texas here.
My name is Lynn.
I had an experience with some creatures.
I was homeless at the time.
We were living outside of a town in the San Joaquin Valley.
There were kids that were coming out and raiding our homeless camp and I happened to be there by myself one day and I saw the grass moving and I chased this thing down into the bushes.
I caught up with it and I opened the bushes and it wasn't reptilian and it wasn't humanoid and it wasn't what people call what the greys look like with the big eyes and everything.
I haven't shared this with too many people.
So what did it look like?
Well, like I said, it wasn't humanoid and it wasn't reptilian.
It was kind of, I don't know, a mauve color, mushroom-shaped head.
When I went to reach for it to grab it, it had disappeared.
You reached for it to grab it?
Yeah, it was in the bushes.
It had ducked into the bushes and I spread the bushes apart to grab it.
You know, now you've said something that makes me disbelieve you or doubt you a little bit.
I'm sorry.
Why would you do that?
I mean, it's like the last thing in the world I would do with a creature is to try to grab it.
Well, it scared me and I scared it.
It screamed at the same time I screamed and I reached out to touch it or grab it or whatever.
I don't know.
It was a reaction.
And it disappeared.
They disappeared?
You mean like just winked out of existence or disappeared off into the grass?
No, it winked out of existence.
And then a little time after that there were several other creatures that were bigger than this one, more adult sized.
And I was wondering, you know, you said that they are observing us, perhaps.
Maybe that they are looking for, not a spokesperson for Earth, but for them.
That they are observing somebody.
Earlier in the evening of this morning, someone mentioned that maybe they were looking for people to go along with them.
That's entirely possible.
I've got a fascinating story.
Did I recount an alien agenda about a man who was abducted, I guess, and kind of got into what was going on and asked to drive the craft, and later they tried to recruit him to be a UFO pilot.
And he was going to go along with it until he found out.
He said, well, I have to go get my family.
And they said, oh, no.
No families.
You can't bring your family.
So he said, well, then I'll have to turn it down.
And this is a credible military intelligence officer.
Wow.
Let me ask you about something that we have not yet touched on.
This call, though, makes me want to ask you about it.
There is, maybe, this creature called the Chupacabra.
That's what I was thinking when this fellow started recounting his story.
Well, there you go.
Have you looked into that at all?
Have you looked into the Chupacabra?
Yes, that's covered mainly in the agenda also.
Oh, I'll be darned.
Boy, you didn't miss much.
And here's the thing.
It seems to be moving closer to us because it started off in Puerto Rico.
and then were reported in Central America and then in Mexico and then just since first this year
I've got, I had some news clippings from the Dallas Morning News that was reports from South Texas of the chupacabra.
Really?
Yes, so that's still ongoing and we're not sure what all that involves.
Well, the chupacabra would appear to be, based on the reports, a kind of a creature that is
here sometimes and maybe somewhere else, maybe moving through some sort of a portal or dimension
or something to get here, something along those lines.
Right, well, you know, I guess what it comes down to is that I think there's a whole lot going on
that we, many, you know, being humans. I mean, never all of us either are not aware
of or just barely aware of or it has nothing to do with us, but it's going on in our space-time
continuum. You know, there's just a lot going on. It's like Shakespeare said, a lot more things
under heaven's sun than are dreamt of in our philosophies. That's for sure. First time caller
on line, you're on the air with Jim Mars. Good morning. I can't believe I made it. You made it.
Where are you?
I'm in Mesa, Arizona.
Okay.
My name is Phil.
Phil, all right.
You're somebody who might have seen that stuff above Phoenix?
As a matter of fact, I did.
There you go.
But I would like to actually talk about an incident I saw about three years ago in Las Vegas.
I sent you some email.
You might have received it.
It was about 10 o'clock in the morning.
I was traveling, if anyone is familiar with Las Vegas, I was traveling down Decatur Boulevard towards Spring Mountain and my friend has an RX-7 and I was looking through his sunroof and I glanced out of his sunroof and I just stared at this object.
I didn't really think too much of it and after about, I'd say about five seconds of staring at it, I freaked out and I said, Dave, pull over the car, there's a UFO.
And so he didn't believe me and I kept stressing to pull over the car.
I kept stressing.
Anyway, we ended up pulling over the car and this object was just phenomenal.
If I had to estimate the size of it, it was... God, it was...
Boy, I would say it's the size of about two football fields.
Wow.
Um, the...
The design of it was...
was like an airplane, but it wasn't an airplane.
It looked like some type of new Air Force plane, but it just hovered.
It sat in one place and hovered over the city.
It was just phenomenal.
I know.
I know of that sighting caller.
Thank you.
And he is correct.
I've heard many reports of that sighting.
Of course, you've got to bear in mind that in Las Vegas, or here where I am, in Pahrump, we're in areas where secret technology is being tested.
And so it's a lot fuzzier.
The distinction between what might be alien and what might be... Right.
Our stuff, or alien-reconstructed, back-engineered craft.
Right.
Let me ask you something along those lines.
Here's something that puzzles me, because I had somebody, we were talking about the Phoenix thing just a few days ago, and somebody brought up the idea, well, again, maybe that's just secret government testing.
But my question to you is, why would they test something over a population center like that?
Why, wouldn't they go off somewhere out in the mountains or over some place where there's hardly anybody to do their secret testing?
I know.
I've been asking that exact question.
Doesn't make any sense, does it?
No.
If you're trying to keep something secret, you don't put it over an area of about 2 million plus people.
Right.
And then try to tell them it's flares.
Yeah, that story kind of came and went quickly.
They gave up on that one quickly.
It's right up there with Weather Balloon.
I'm told to ask you about Ezekiel.
who not only saw the wheel but was taken up for a ride right that is for those who take every word of the bible
literally right except you know what i found what so funny and ironic
about that is that Ezekiel number one and this is all covered in alien
agenda again He was a good reporter.
He didn't say, I was laying by the river one day and I had this vision and I just saw this stuff.
He's particular.
He said, I was by the river Shebar.
It was the year of such and such after King So-and-so did such and such.
He dates his thing.
He's got it down.
And he says, I looked up to the north and I saw a vision of God.
Now, that's in the original King James.
Now, in some of the more modern translations, and I think this is a good illustration of how just the slight change of a word or phrase can alter the meaning.
In some of the modern translations, it says he was by the river and God came to him in a vision.
Well, see, that's a semantical difference there, but you can see the difference.
Now, in the original King James, when he's talking about, I saw a vision of God, then he goes on to describe it.
He goes on to say that the vision of God landed, the vision of God took me up, the vision of God took me to a city, and while they're going to the city and he was being given a tour and very carefully describing the city that was up in some mountains, I believe.
They got to one point and he said, what's in that building?
And they said, oh you can't go in there, the vision of God is in there.
So to me it's very obvious that Ezekiel is trying to do the best of his ability to describe something that he has no concept of and can only describe as a vision of God.
Now what's ironic is that the people who would argue against a literal translation are the very fundamentalist I find that interesting, allegories, when otherwise they will defend every other word as literal.
Exactly!
Isn't that ironic?
Yeah, I'll settle for that word.
well as a killer just talking about what you're going to know that we're going to
just like that uh... so here's a plan i find that interesting allegories when
uh... otherwise they will defend every other word as literal exactly in that
ironic uh...
y'all settle for that word uh... one other question uh...
could you expand on a remark made on page three hundred twenty one of your
book That's in the remote viewing area.
Some viewers said it certainly appears as if this planet, remote viewers, as if this planet is being kept under quarantine.
Interesting word.
Right.
For some reason.
Right.
Well, there's plenty to suggest that.
I began noticing this in the late 70s, even before I left the newspaper that I worked for for a good number of years.
You would see, we get the news, again, this has to do with control of the media.
You have the stories about, like at the first this year, I think PrimeStar put up four or five, or maybe more, communications satellites, and you know, they just fired them up there and there in orbit, and boy, now they got 120 channels, you know, or 200 channels.
You bet.
With nothing worth watching on, you know, but there they are.
And you hear about this, and there's no problem.
But for the longest time you'd see these little bitty stories that would say there's going to be a launch but it has to do with military and there's a, you know, it's secret.
And then you'd see a two or three graph little story back in the back of the page that says the Pentagon announced that they lost touch with their satellite, you know.
Yes.
And they would put up these satellites and then they would just be gone.
They'd lose them.
Speaking of losing, we've got a couple on the way to Mars right now, Jim.
That's right.
Do you expect that they'll get there and do their job, or do you think they'll be lost in space?
Well, it's interesting because I covered in some detail the loss of the two major Mars
probes from Russia, the Phobos II and ours, the Mars Observer.
And according to the remote viewers, the same thing happened to both of them, which was
as they approached Mars and were about to go into orbit, something rose off the Martian
surface and flew out to meet it, scanned it with an electromagnetic beam, which disrupted
the onboard computers and then caused it to basically lose contact and crash into the
atmosphere of Mars.
But now, let me hasten to add that the viewers who took a look at this, none of them seemed to think that this was any particular type of hostile act.
It was more like the tugboats coming out to meet the Queen Mary, but then realizing that it wasn't the Queen Mary, it wasn't anything that they had anything to do with.
After scanning it, they just turned around and went back, but it was enough to cripple this thing.
Well, it's going to be interesting to see if the ones we've done on the way down make it.
That's right.
And I would advise everybody to keep an eye on that very closely.
And if they make it and start sending back images, then that's one form of input.
And if they suddenly lose contact with these, then we've got another form of input.
Well, you know, there was a Russian probe similar to the ones that we sent.
And in the case of the Russians, though, They got this really interesting image just before they lost contact with their craft.
That was the Phobos 2, I believe.
And there is a photograph.
I don't happen to have it, by the way.
If anybody else out there has it, please send it to me by email or whatever.
What's that?
That photograph.
I want to see that object.
Look in Alien Agenda in the photograph section.
Oh, you've got a photograph?
Yep.
Here's a picture of Marina Popovich holding up the last known photograph or one of the last photographs.
Give me a page number.
Well, it's in the photo section.
It's the next to the last page in the photo section.
Okay.
Well, I found the photograph of that object that the fellow was holding up.
Is that what you're referring to?
Yeah.
That's a Russian woman, Colonel Marina Popovich.
Okay, let's see, where is she?
Oh, you've got some really good crop circle photos in here too, don't you?
I'll be darned.
I'm still looking.
Oh, here it is.
Here it is.
I'm going to see if I can get that.
Let me try and get that up there for the internet viewers to see.
It may be kind of hard to see, but this is a photograph of the object that was there apparently just before they lost touch with the spacecraft.
God, that's interesting.
I wonder what that was.
Something obviously is coming up to meet spacecraft that are trying to probe Mars.
All right.
Okay, there we got it.
Just absolutely incredible.
How did you happen to get that?
That photograph?
Yes, sir.
It was part of a news article that appeared in the, I think the credit's right here, San Francisco Chronicle back in 91, I think it was.
Okay, I'm going to have to see what I can do about getting a hold of that myself.
So many calls, so little time.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, whoops, would have been West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars, hi.
Good morning, Art Bell.
Hi, where are you?
I'm here in Yakima.
Yakima, Washington, all right.
Yes, sir.
Listen, I'd like to first mention one thing.
I ordered the Kydo Slim.
I've been on it five days, and I've lost three pounds.
Wonderful product.
Oh, Kydo Slim, yes.
Yes.
The second thing is, I wondered if you would ask your guest, Mr. Mars, if he has any insight about the major button thing, about that military pilot who left his squad and then disappeared.
Then all of a sudden, they're picking up little bitty pieces.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you think it has anything to do with time travel or the interdimensional thing?
Jim, hold your answer.
Ma'am, thank you.
We will come back to that answer right after the break.
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Top of the morning, everybody.
Jim Mars is my guest.
His book is Alien Agenda.
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Nobody wants terrorism, obviously.
But I don't know who to believe anymore.
Because, you know, if something happens, you would think, oh my gosh, this is real terrorism.
But then on the other hand, you say, this is just their way of saying we need to implement more of these controls.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
The problem is, you have to look at everything as if it's a conspiracy.
Because nowadays, you just don't know.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
tonight featuring coast-to-coast AM from June 11th 1997 alright back now to Jim Mars and I just did an unforgivable
unforgivable thing I think I forgot what the last question was.
Do you remember what you were just asked?
Oh boy.
I should have written it down.
I usually am pretty good about that, but sometimes when I go into a break, a person asks you a very good question, and it totally went out of my mind.
Short term memory loss, Jim.
That's right.
It happens to all of us.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hello.
Hello, Art and Jim.
Hi.
Howdy.
First time caller.
Where are you?
Lanter Lakes, Florida.
All right.
My name is Doug.
Yes, Doug.
I have experienced encounter.
I have also experienced recently, May 26, 1997, at West Palm.
I have seen the lights in the sky.
West Palm had a big light show going on.
As a matter of fact, in conjunction with that, the West Palm Beach Sheriff's Office, the whole thing shut down within an hour or two of that.
Their Halyon system kicked on, and they had to evacuate the whole place.
And Halyon systems don't kick on that easily.
So, yeah, that's from West Palm.
Can your guests justify that?
Explain that?
Probably not, but we can ask.
Had you heard about the West Palm stuff, Jim?
No.
There again.
See, that sounds like one heck of a story, and yet it didn't make it to Texas.
The same thing I saw earlier this year, there was some good videotape made here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and it was actually aired on one of the news broadcasts.
And then at the same time, while that was happening, I flew to Atlanta and found out
that they were having the same type thing happening in Atlanta.
And the local news coverage was talking about it.
But see, that information never made it from Atlanta to Texas, or Texas to Atlanta, or none of those made them anywhere else.
That's the problem.
Now, you know, we've got this wonderful free press in America, supposedly.
Yeah, it belongs to the guy that owns the press.
Yeah, but still and all, I'm set loose.
I mean, nobody's come after me yet.
That's true.
And I wrote this book, and it got published.
So far.
And yet, the mass media, as led by the networks and, I'll say it, the Associated Press, when the Associated Press writes an article, whatever angle they take on it is the angle that You know, I'm going to be honest.
Most newsrooms, except the bigger, more responsible ones, rip and read.
Absolutely.
And they take what the Associated Press or UPI prints And they read it and that becomes the story.
That's right.
It used to be bells.
Back in the old days we had bells and if they rang four bells, ding, ding, ding, ding, that's
telling them this is a real story.
Run this on the front page.
If it came through in the middle of the night with no bells then it can't be much of a story.
That's it.
And that's how you can control the play and the distribution of the information.
I remember even five bells and I remember once ten.
Yeah. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Hi.
Hello.
Where are you?
I'm in Kansas City.
Okay.
I had a couple things.
Actually, the first thing had to do with the government cover-up of information, which I know we all believe is going on.
I know I do.
I was just wondering if you thought there was anything that we could really do about it, the American public, as far as taking action against trying to find out this information.
I don't think that as an individual you're going to be able to push the federal government around very much, but I'll tell you where I think you could make a big difference, and it fits in line with what Art and I were just talking about, about the media.
The media, for all its problems, still likes to at least think of itself as being very responsive to the public.
And if you would simply make a phone call, write a letter, send some e-mail, send fax, whatever, get your friends to do likewise, and simply hold the media's feet to the fire and make them do what they say they do, which is go out and cover the news of what's going on.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know, it sounds crazy probably, but if you could somehow get some nationwide publicity of something and get like a million man march thing from a couple years ago and have 100,000 people show up at Area 51 and walk across their restricted area line and march up to the gate, what would they be able to do?
They would have to do something.
They would arrest us.
They couldn't arrest half the country.
uh... yes i wasn't there some kind of thing like that uh...
that that they tried up washington about uh... about your frozen about uh...
come are some kind of picture around the white house or something that
i'm going on it because again there was a news blackout they didn't talk about
it but then they try to have a few years back you know and every year actually there are people who march outside
the white house on this very issue
and they get little or no coverage That's right.
And as a result, you know, see, that's the key to it.
The local coverage, there's something happens in Nevada, something happens in Texas, and it's covered there.
They're not worried about that.
The thing they're concerned about and where the control gets very tight is the mass media, where you reach the entire country.
Yeah, we hear about it.
Yeah.
And the other thing, real quickly, I was listening to you say how The probes going to Mars, we seem to lose contact with them.
I was just wondering, how could you explain that Viking was able to land on Mars?
Well, it landed in a very out-of-the-way place, and as you well know, the information that came back seemed to indicate that there wasn't much there.
So, why disable that?
You know, that's pretty much what they want everybody to know.
That's true.
And that would be like sending... If we lived on Mars, and we sent a probe to Earth, and we landed one lander in the middle of Antarctica, is that going to give us an accurate picture of the Earth?
I don't think so.
That's true.
I asked the two fellows I had from NASA here, if we were to orbit a craft around Earth Capable of resolving the same type of imagery that we resolved when we took the picture of the face on Mars.
And we pointed the camera, luckily, at Giza, and we saw the pyramids.
Would we understand what we were looking at?
And there was a long silence, and they said, absolutely not.
And I think that may be true.
If I'm remembering correctly, I think the only thing that can be seen from space on the Earth that would give any indication of intelligent life is, believe it or not, the Great Wall of China.
Correct, but what would stop us from interpreting that as we did the canals on Mars?
Yeah, exactly.
And then there would be the debunkers who said it's just a natural rock formation that just happened to get in that situation.
That's right, rock formations like the 100 monkeys.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Hi, this is Garth from Kirkland.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I had an idea for luring down a UFO.
I wanted to ask Mr. Mars if that's really such a good idea.
Well, I'll tell you, Jim.
I'll tell you what I did once, and it was about two weeks before Phoenix.
I said to my audience, a considerable number of people out there, millions, if, as everybody suggests, communication with these beings is telepathic, then I wonder what would happen if we gathered a bunch of us together, And telepathically tried to call down Kraft.
Just tried to call them down.
Said make yourselves visible.
So we did that.
Two weeks later, we had Phoenix.
I don't know.
See, that comes back to the old line that says, be careful what you wish for because
you might just get it.
I know.
That's kind of my thought.
I've had some thoughts about that too.
Like I said, I'm out here in the country and there's a big valley uninhabited right behind
my place.
It would be a beautiful, with a big grass field.
Here I talk about this kind of stuff.
Oh yeah, it would be a perfect landing spot.
I've often wondered, you know, what would I do if something really did come down there
and land?
And you know, I think it's kind of like combat.
I think it's one of those situations where you can think, well, I'd do this or I'd do
that, you know, but I don't think anybody really knows what they do until they experience
it.
You're exactly right.
And I mean, here I talk about this kind of stuff.
I went through the first, oh, actually 40 some odd years of my life and never saw a
thing on Tord.
Now I've seen two things, and in both cases, after the first one, I said, by God, next time I'm going to be ready.
Next time I'm going to wave and say hi.
Well, next time I'm going to have a camera, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.
I was all cocky.
And it's like, when it happens, you freeze, you go into a different kind of state, you Belief and reality are sort of suspended.
It lasts two or three minutes.
It's over.
You chew it over mentally then for months afterwards or years, but you're in a weird kind of condition when it's occurring, Jim.
That's exactly correct.
I'm sure that's true.
I can run through all kinds of scenarios in my mind.
Oh, I'll do this and I'll do that.
I think that would be neat and I'd like to go with it, but I don't know.
When it really starts happening, I think that may be something else.
Used to the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Hi.
You're going to have to speak up for us, sir.
OK.
Can you hear me better?
I can.
Where are you?
OK.
This is Don in Tennessee.
Yes, sir.
I'd like to ask Jim, we're all in agreement that there is next to no media coverage on a nationwide basis of this subject.
what is your take on what appears to be in the last couple of years uh... an
increasing output of product
from hollywood the subject very good good question
not by i think that uh... i think that's part of the conditioning process the
quickening that uh...
artist talked about I will say this though, let me throw this in real quick.
I've just gotten back from a two week whirlwind media tour and I was hit several different cities and did some signings, did a lot of media.
Well, including while I was in New York, I was in the studios of CBS and CNN, and let me tell you, it's kind of interesting.
There's kind of a different attitude taking place in the mass media.
Now, it's still not breaking that logjam of the nationwide mass media, but individually, there are people within the media who are beginning to take this whole subject a whole lot more seriously.
Yeah, I won't name names, but there are people at CNN right now Yes, and I think this will continue to increase and that's going to be kind of interesting when more and more of those guys start getting on board and then what's going to happen?
I don't really know, but there is a difference that's taking place.
We've been treated to a sort of a recent Rash of news.
I mean a rock from Mars.
Microbial life.
Right.
How interesting.
Right.
Did you see the thing about the guy who I had it right here.
Water on the moon.
The guy who, back in the late 80s, theorized that comets coming in from space disintegrated in the atmosphere.
And of course, comets are mostly made up of ice.
I hope to be interviewing him, yes.
Great, okay.
And now it's been proven that that's true.
So see, all the life on Earth may have had an extraterrestrial origin to begin with.
So we may be ET.
Yeah, that's another thing.
That's kind of how I end up Alien Agenda.
I paraphrase the great possum philosopher, Pogo, who said, you know, we have found the alien agenda and it's all about us.
Yep, there you are.
Alright, wild card line, you are on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi, this is Jeff from Phoenix.
Oh, Phoenix, yes, good.
Hi Jim, hi Art.
Quick question, or actually a couple of them, but I want to make a quick statement.
I wanted to mention the Nassigas that you had on.
Didn't you notice or did you notice that when they spoke that one person was in charge and if one other person wanted to speak or did you notice that there were signals between the two?
Oh yes.
Like a cough or what have you?
But anyway I just wanted to mention that.
One question I wanted you to ask them but you didn't and I don't think that I heard Was how the space shuttles acquired the names that they did, such as Columbia, Discovery, and so on and so forth.
Some of it came from Star Trek.
And that's how they acquired the names.
Enterprise?
Enterprise, right.
But Jim, I had a question for you, if I may.
What's your take on hypnotic regression?
Do you think it works?
and uh... also i ask you about uh... implant no women and i'm i'm fighting fairfield one of the one of
the one question here when you think it not a progression are you talking about
uh...
using hypnosis to bring back uh... abduction experiences are you talking
about regression we're going to come back to another lifetime
Right, hypnosis to bring back abduction experiences.
I cover that pretty extensively in my book, Alien Agenda, and I think there is an argument.
What seems to be the consensus of opinion of people on both pro and con?
Hypnosis can be a very good tool, but it is not foolproof and it has to be used under very stringent conditions.
I'm a big believer in that.
Let me quickly point out, though, that there are plenty of abductees who tell very consistent stories and that are consistent with the people who undergo the hypnosis, who tell the same stories without the aid of hypnosis.
So the people who are trying to say that all the abductions can be explained away as bad
hypnosis sessions where the hypnotist is leading the witness, that's simply not true.
No, I'm saying that in my study, and I did an extensive study of the literature, and there are those who allege that all the experiences can be explained away as just bad hypnosis, but I'm telling you, there's a lot of them that have had conscious recall without the hypnosis. So obviously there's
something going on other than just ill-used hypnosis. Which brings me to
suspicion on how many are why so many people can have the same experience worldwide.
I just don't Well that is, and as far as I'm concerned, it's either one of two things.
Either this is a heretofore undiagnosed mass psychosis, in which case that's a hell of a story, or they're all talking about some reality.
One more question if I may.
As far as implants go, do you know or have you heard of anybody being able to view an implant?
Yes, I document some medical procedures that have actually extricated implants from people.
We discussed that a little bit earlier.
Yeah, caller, if you've got access to the web on my website, you will find Electron microscope photographs of an implant removed at the behest of John Mack at Harvard.
I did see that.
The question I have, I was curious about, was do you think you can see them in your ear?
I don't know.
I would think it's pretty difficult because it's my understanding from my study that most of these, number one, they're little bitty tiny things to begin with and number two, most of them are embedded like just under the skin.
So I don't think that just with the naked eye and a cursory look, I don't think you would see him.
All right, Jim, you've been a real trooper.
So give out the 800 number again to get a hold of your book, Alien Agenda.
Right.
Everybody rush out.
Because like I said, this is the book you want to give.
If you're a believer, this is the book you want to give to your non-believing friends.
The thing where you cover to cover and look in the eye and say, oh, there's nothing happening when they're a better man than me.
It has been a pleasure.
This has really been a good time.
I know that I've enjoyed it.
I think you've enjoyed it, and I hope your audience has enjoyed it.
Well, that's what it's all about.
Jim, thank you.
Thank you.
Take care, my friend.
See you later.
That's Jim Mars in Texas, where it's probably time to go to bed, and I suspect that's what he's going to be doing.
Well, it has been yet another good night.
I want to thank everybody out there, and we will be back again tomorrow night, I think, With open lines.
We may do an open line session tomorrow night and who knows what may happen.
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