Jim Marrs, author of Alien Agenda, argues UFOs are real but dismissed due to government threats—like a teenage Roswell witness told her bones would be found if she spoke—and military suppression of sightings over Phoenix and Dallas-Fort Worth. Remote viewing studies suggest interdimensional activity, while ancient artifacts (e.g., Piri Rees maps) and suppressed NASA footage (STS-48, 1991) hint at hidden extraterrestrial influence. Hostile entities may weaponize tech or manipulate crises like the Reichstag fire, but Marrs warns confirmation could trigger authoritarian control under "national security" pretexts, despite skepticism about staged events. Hypnotic regression and implants—like those documented by Dr. John Mack—support abduction claims, though organic evidence isn’t definitive. Hollywood’s "conditioning" and media blackouts obscure truths, while Mars probes (Phobos II, 1989) may face unseen electromagnetic interference, raising questions about humanity’s readiness for contact. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I give you good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones.
From the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains, all the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
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I'm Art Bell.
Somebody sent me a little email earlier and said, you know, I listened to you here in Hawaii, so I know how you get here.
But how do you get to Tahiti?
Well, the answer is simple.
From Hawaii.
There's something about saltwater that conducts very well, and I get a constant stream of letters and postcards and email from Tahiti.
So I include them in.
A lot of listeners in Tahiti.
You're in for a real treat this morning.
Jim Mars, author of a very, very, very popular new book called Alien Agenda, is my guest.
It's a Harper Collins book, so you will find it everywhere, I suppose.
I got a piece of email earlier that, actually a fax, that will perhaps explain it.
Art from ancient astronauts to NASANauts, from the hills to Hopkins, from our very creation to considerations of both religious and metaphysical issues.
Alien agenda.
Don't miss even the most minute aspect, does not miss even the most minute aspect of the UFO alien reality.
My word.
Interested in crop circles, cattle mutilations, men in black, remote viewing, ancient artifacts, underground bases, abductions, the government, etc., you name it?
Turn to the chapter.
It's all there.
In addition to his outstanding, extensive research effort that includes both acknowledgement and description of the hard work of other courageous explorers and writers in the field, Jim Mars is aware of something he refers to as mindset.
He never forgets that what makes an objective evaluation of the data from all these areas so difficult is that collection of nerve cells between our ears.
As an ordinary citizen who's looked into these enigmatic issues for the past two years, has read countless books, watched and listened to countless tapes, downloaded countless documents, and thought countless thoughts in the process, reading this book was a rewarding experience that would require countless words to describe.
This was the best thing since The Quickening, and in my opinion not only compliments, but is a real companion piece to your own extraordinary and enlightening work.
I say four cheers for Art and Jim.
P. Yes, between this book, The Quick and The Quickening, I have tagged so many pages that I expect to get a Christmas card from the Post-Its division of the 3M Company.
I do like the, quote, these babies are huge, sir, quote, on page 20.
The speculation about MJ-12 on page 168, very interesting, last sentences of appendices.
Page 394 relate to discussion of last night, as does other material in the book.
It's the only composite work of its kind that I've ever seen that mentions Robert Morning's guy.
So you know this guy has done his work.
So there you go, and I very much appreciate that.
And we're going to talk to Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda, and I suspect this is one night when we are going to get to most aspects of the entire alien question.
Here's another one coming in beforehand.
The Alien Agenda, the most fascinating, revealing book that I've ever read.
I've got it to you.
Matter of fact, I'll hold up this fact.
Yes, by the way, we have a webcam going, a webcam.
So if you get an opportunity to go up on the net, by all means, do so.
And when you do, just click on the first area that says arts webcams or studio cam or something like that.
And when you do, you will see a compelling photograph.
One of three, actually, I guess, of me sitting here doing my program.
We've got three cameras in sequence monitoring the program.
And so for as long as you can stand it, you can sit there.
And from time to time, I hold little things up that relate to the program.
As a matter of fact, I've got a good picture of Jim Mars right here in my hand.
I ought to hold that up so that you can see what he looks like.
We'll talk to Jim about that.
I'm trying to think of exactly who he looks like.
Jim Mars looks like somebody that I know from the movies or from someplace.
So in a moment, coming up, Jim Mars and his very substantial book, Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us Alien Agenda.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornutopia.
Just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio, and that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
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Well, actually, in fact, I wanted to correct something you said earlier, that, yeah, I've spent the past two years working on my new book, Alien Agenda, but I've been interested in keeping up with the UFO phenomenon since the 50s, since I was a kid.
The thing that actually prompted me to, well, two things prompted me to write this book.
One was with the success of my last book, Crossfire, which had to do with the Kennedy assassination and subsequent government cover-up.
I asked people all over the place, I said, well, what do you think is the next big deep, dark secret government cover-up?
So I said, well, you know, I've been dealing with that for years, but I didn't feel like I had any right to write about it because I was like everybody else.
I'd read all this material and there's something going on, but, you know, how do you get a handle on it?
And the thing that prompted me and that I felt like I was getting some valid insight in was the government studied and utilized remote viewing.
I interviewed about a dozen of the government-trained remote viewers and each and every single one of them had had direct contact, direct knowledge of the UFOs.
And so, as with anything else, you have to be careful with this.
You can't just leap out on a limb and say, oh, it's this and that.
But by synthesizing and coordinating some of the information that's coming in from the remote viewers, and now, by the way, there's plenty of civilian remote viewers out there.
In fact, for my book, Alien Agenda, as far as I know, I commissioned the very first formal remote viewing study of UFOs.
And it was very interesting because seven remote viewers who had had prior testing and had a known track record were employed in this study, and none of them knew what the subject was.
But you know, you know, doesn't that, Jim, then say something about the nature of the aliens?
That the remote viewers have encountered these beings again and again and again, even dating back to the military program, where the military didn't want them to encounter this kind of thing.
They were encountering it, according to Ed Dames and others.
They were encountering beings they just simply could not explain.
In fact, some of them got so disturbed they got blown out of the program.
And some of their superiors said, I don't want to hear about this.
It was very disturbing to them, too.
And again, now we're bumping up against the mindset situation.
And it's not in the book, Art, but I heard a great story just a week or two ago that, to me, defines mindset.
It seems that back in the 50s, a plane load of Army officers were flying along, and they encountered a huge glowing orange cylindrical UFO, which circled around their plane, flew alongside for a while, and finally shot straight up and went out of sight.
And after they landed, one of these Army officers, who happened to be a psychiatrist, was asked, did you see the UFO?
And his reply was, yes, but I turned my head because I don't believe in those things.
And I think this is one of the things that helps explain the maddening lack of physical evidence is that according to just about all accounts, not only the remote viewers, but the abductees and the contactees and all like that, they operate, we're on this one three-dimensional material plane.
They seem to operate on other planes and perhaps other times.
And that's what allows them to kind of slip in and out of our reality.
And it's something that I think science, particularly quantum physics, could probably come up with some sort of substantiation, some sort of theory as to how that all could happen.
We're beginning to get into that ourselves in science.
But right now, it's just a little bit ahead of us, a little bit futuristic for us, and that's what's causing a lot of the problem.
This was the official position of the United States government prior to 1947.
They said, yeah, there's something flying in the air.
They're real.
And the thing that proves this, because for a long time, I too paid very serious attention to the idea that perhaps sightings and even abductions were the result of some sort of a mass psychosis, some sort of a hallucination, you know, produced by who God knows what, you know.
But the thing that lays that to risk is the advent of the camcorder.
Today, everybody in the dog has a camcorder, and there's not a week goes by that somebody doesn't get some pretty decent tape of the UFO.
So you can't take pictures of a hallucination or a psychosis.
So, you know, forget that.
They're real.
Now we're to the question of, okay, who are they and what do they want?
And this, I will freely admit, gets into some pretty speculative areas.
But looking over the past history, looking over the information that is now available, looking into our past, and looking at the overwhelming evidence that points to advanced technology in man's prehistory and such things as that.
And then, of course, with the remote viewers, I think we can begin to get somewhat of a general picture of the alien agenda.
I think it's going to come from something pretty physical.
It may be already underway.
I do not think it's going to come from the government.
You're not going to have them voluntarily acknowledging what they know because that would be endangering their power and control.
But what you're going to have is going to be coming from the UFOs themselves.
And they are going to, at some point, have such an event seen by so many people, recorded by so many people, that it will be beyond discussion and beyond controversy.
In other words, whoever they are, what the hell do they want?
We'll get back to him in a moment.
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But then on the other hand, you say, this is just their way of saying we need to implement more of these controls.
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The problem is you have to look at everything as if it's a conspiracy because nowadays, you just don't know.
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Back in the 50s, polls showed that virtually nobody believed there was any life outside the Earth.
Then as we got into the 60s, more and more people began to think, well, you know, I think it may be there.
And then the question became, do they come from Mars or do they come from Venus?
Well, now we're a little more progressed now, a little more knowledgeable.
And now the question is, do they come from the Pleiades or Zeta Reticula V, you know?
And the thing is, I think we're slowly but surely coming to the truth of the matter, which is the answer is yes, all of the above.
I think there's an entire universe of life out there.
This is what the remote viewers indicate.
And I think that to try to ascribe one motive or one agenda to all of these various species and all of these different varieties of life would be the same as asking a primitive Fiji Islander, what is the agenda of those people passing over your head on those trans-Pacific 747s?
Now, one possible motivation that I've considered with regard to what they're doing, when you look at animal mutilations, that sort of thing, I think they're monitoring us ecologically, that that is a distinct possibility, that they see that we're headed downhill fast, and these reproductive organ removals and blah, blah, blah, these are things that would allow study of the ecological state of Earth.
In fact, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I point out in my book, Alien Agenda, that an animal geneticist at Texas A ⁇ M discovered that humans share many of their cows are almost a perfect match with chromosomes for the humans.
That's the closest in the animal kingdom.
I think it's 23 chromosomes or something like that.
And it's the closest to humans that you can get.
Plus, you know what they say, you are what you eat.
And so many of us are, you know, we're surviving on Big Macs and like that.
So obviously there'd be a hue and a cry if there were mutilated humans found all over the place.
But when it's mutilated cows, it's just kind of a sub-controversy.
Well, Linda Moulton Howe, who's on my Dreamland program every Sunday, has been a very, very serious investigator into this phenomenon, whatever it is.
And it is painfully real.
She's got a couple of books out with photographs that are undeniable.
People don't like to look at that kind of stuff.
But the fact is, it's occurring, and it was occurring with precision cutting years ago before we had the ability to precision cut in the way we do now, but not then.
In fact, that's one of the areas that I began really working hard as a newspaper reporter here in Texas was back in the 70s with the cattle mutilations.
And I chased that story ever which way.
In fact, it attended the first and only cattle mutilation conference out in New Mexico where the feds pretty much muzzled everybody and said, no, just sit down, be quiet.
And everybody kind of did.
But I talked to ranchers and law enforcement people and conservationists out in the hallways.
And they had some incredible stories, such as the 30-year veteran rancher who said, they're telling us these are just the work of predators.
He said, but how can a predator pull a cow's heart out through a half-inch hole in its neck?
So, yeah, and I might point out, as you well know, but I'm not sure your listeners realize, cattle mutilations and the crop circles and the abductions, these things are not just some wild story from the past.
These things are going on right now, today.
They are still going on.
And this is my big gripe, my big soapbox, is that where is the so-called news media?
Yes, they're messages, but the reason we can't read them is because they're not for us.
They are transitory messages left as guidepost for UFOs and people traveling through perhaps other dimensions, other times.
And when they pop into our particular plane of existence and they can see the guidepost that says turn left or keep going or you're okay or stop here, do not enter or whatever, then they know what to do and they move on.
And then within months, that particular sign is, you know, when the crop dies or is harvested, then it's gone away and there's no danger of a paradox being created.
I covered it pretty extensively in my book, Alien Agenda.
I covered the Bentwaters case over in England, which was pretty well documented.
I mean, here's official reports, tape recordings, et cetera, et cetera.
But I will say this about Roswell.
I think Roswell is the most popular focus right now for the whole thing, and I think with very good reason.
I was kind of amazed to, since Alien Agenda is kind of a broad overview of the whole thing and I was looking at it from that standpoint.
I'm not going to tell you anything you probably already are aware of, but have you considered placing Roswell in the context of the times?
In other words, prior to July 1947, the official U.S. government position towards UFOs was pretty open.
They said there's something up there.
It's real.
It's flying around.
We're not sure what it is.
We think it may be secret Soviet weapons, you know.
But if it's not, it's possible that it's a craft from another world.
And then in July 1947, all of a sudden we have the incident at Roswell, and within two months in September of 1947, President Truman creates our modern national security state.
They create the CIA, they create the National Security Council, and what this does is take anything that they consider national security, and obviously UFOs would be that, and it sweeps it around, puts it under the rug, puts it under a curtain of secrecy, and by doing this, they bypassed Congress, the public, the media, and the whole government position towards UFOs then changed to one of ridicule and dismissal.
And it had to be, listen, well, let me give you a quick little story that I discovered while researching for my book, Alien Agenda.
Back during World War II, the Japanese experimented with what they call Fuego balloons, which were balloon clusters carrying incendiary bombs.
And they sent them aloft and got them in the upper air currents over the Pacific, and they drifted over.
And their plan was to hopefully that these things would come down and maybe start big forest fires in the northwest or something.
One of them actually made it all the way into the Midwest.
I think it landed in Kansas or Missouri or somewhere.
But the point of the story is, is that a female reporter at that time found out about this story, thought, what a hell of a story.
And it was.
And was getting ready to publish something about it when the FBI went to her and asked her, said, look, this is wartime.
If you publish this story, the Japanese will know where these balloons are landing.
They'll have an idea of what's happening.
You'll be giving aid and comfort to our enemy.
You know, please don't write this story.
And of course, as any of us would have done, she didn't print the story.
She waited until after the war to run her story.
Now, that's the way that secrecy should be done in a free and open and democratic society.
But at Roswell, we have the specter of government agents, military people, threatening children and teenagers with their lives.
Told one woman who was a teenage girl at the time that if she ever talked about what she had heard and saw and knew about what happened at Roswell, that they would find her bones bleaching in the desert.
Now, what happened at Roswell that made our government people so fearful that they had to threaten children?
There were a lot of people killed over spying with regard to nuclear technology.
So if we received a big load of alien technology that we began to go to work on at Roswell, it would have been as big potentially as that because of course our military, particularly then, would have considered it as possible weapons development.
And you just hit on the key factor that I point out in my book, Alien Agenda.
The swiftest, most direct answer to people who say, why all the secrecy, is simply this.
All the documentation shows clearly that the one group most closely in authority over the UFO issue is the U.S. military.
And in the military mind, the UFOs represent advanced technology.
And in that same military mind, any advanced technology represents potential weaponry.
So it's got to be secret.
It's got to be kept close to the chest, and they've got to have total control over it.
But I think that's another factor, Art, is that I don't think they've ever had total control over this issue, and that's what makes them so fearful, and that's why they have had to have such dreadful secrecy over all this.
In fact, I think one of the best answers I heard that I quoted in the Alien Agenda is one of the abductees asked her captors, said, you know, why don't you just land and say, here we are, and let's be friends?
And she was told, you are not ready.
If we landed, half the people would bow down and worship us.
The other half would try to kill us.
And I think that's just about as dead-on statement as I can think of.
But I know there's a lot of people out there who kind of are secretly and sometimes not so secretly thinking that our space brothers are going to land and save our bacon here.
And I'm here to tell you, I don't think that's going to happen, okay?
And I'll tell you why, because these people are more advanced than us, not only technology-wise, but also sociologically or even perhaps spiritually.
And they understand that, you know, for a species to evolve correctly and take the normal path that God has provided for them, that you can't step in and interfere with them.
They have to make their own decisions.
It's just like children.
You don't do a child any favor by making all his decisions for him.
Well, what I'm suggesting here is in the desert, you know, there are a lot of ecologically protected areas.
Desert tortoises are particularly protected.
So if you want to develop on a piece of desert or land out here, and you have desert tortoises, you've got big trouble.
And I wonder if the aliens don't regard Earth as a fairly hospitable, nice planet, but with seemingly intelligent creatures on it, and until we leave, like the desert tortoises, they're not going to develop.
And I think that there are some of these species that are interacting with Earth that would kind of like to have a nice place like this.
But I think that they, mostly out of self-control and out of a sophisticated and mature theology, I think they know better than to try to just come take it from us.
And this may be a good point to point out here, which I'm sure you're aware of, and hopefully most of your audience, I can say with some assurity right now that I don't think their agenda involves anything that's overtly hostile, simply because if they wanted to come and invade the Earth a la Independence Day, they would have done that back about World War II when all they had to do was face propeller-driven airplanes.
They wouldn't have waited until now until we've got nuclear weapons and space platforms and laser technology.
Of course, that presumes that they're not so far ahead of us that they could not push a single button and simply eradicate all life and take the planet.
And I address this in Alien Agenda because, you know, the old stereotype was that the saucer lands and the little guy gets out.
And what does he say?
He says, take me to your leader.
Well, who's our leader?
Who speaks for Earth?
We don't really have anybody that speaks for Earth.
And that's another point, too.
I don't think anybody, I don't think any extraterrestrial species is going to sit down and try to deal face-to-face with the human race until we have a spokesman, until somebody speaks for us.
prevents them from dealing honestly with a massive amount of documentation and reports collected over the past five decades still cling to the idea that nothing soars in the skies of earth but man's imagination evidence accumulated over the past half century clearly indicates that ufos represent real intangible objects exhibiting traits unlike anything that man Can yet produce?
I have seen two of these objects clearly and close up.
So there is no question.
Ufos are real.
What they are and what they want from us, if anything, that's another question, one explored in Alien Agenda.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornucopia just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
But, you know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the airwaves and tell people this, I shall.
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What he means is that we tend to think that the moon's there.
Everybody sees it.
You know, it's just there and nobody pays any attention to it because it's just a dead rock.
But a contrary, that's not true.
There have been sightings of lights, clouds moving, things moving on the moon that go all the way back into the 15 and 1600s and come right on forward.
There are some aspects of our moon that are decidedly alien, not to mention the pyramids that appear to be on the moon that are in the same configuration as the pyramids on Earth and the ones in the Sidonia region of Mars.
I think that this was all part of some sort of a system, some sort of a culture, society that was going on long before our ancestors stood upright and started throwing bones in the air.
The second chapter of my book, Alien Agenda, deals with the ancient astronaut thing.
And Art, the evidence for a highly technological society predating man's history is overwhelming.
Now the question is, is the one that you just asked, could that have been a previous human civilization that somehow just disappeared and We can't seem to find much about it.
Or did it have something to do with extraterrestrials?
And my money is on the extraterrestrials.
And the reason for that is that in every human culture around the world, Asia, Europe, Africa, you name it, there are legends, stories, myths that have come down by word of mouth over the ages that talk about gods from the skies that fly in some sort of machines and fly around and land and then talk to the humans and have discourse with the humans, live with the humans.
And these, if you were just making up something and you wanted to make up a god, you'd have some great amorphous thing that was, you know, that was totally beyond human comprehension.
These gods from the skies, they ate, they drank, they changed clothes, they took baths, they slept with women.
Okay?
They obviously were not that far removed from ourselves.
I think that when that report was issued, which was back somewhere around 1952, I think there may be some validity to that.
I think people were not ready.
I think our sophistication wasn't there.
Our scientific knowledge wasn't there.
And like I said, polls showed that the vast majority of people at that time disbelieved that there was any life outside the Earth.
Today, the polls show the exact opposite.
Most everybody thinks that, yeah, it stands for reason, it makes sense, that there would be other life out in the universe.
And then, plus, with all of the conditioning that we've had, particularly, and I like your term the quickening, because I think it is a quickening.
I think that we have just snowballed along, and now with the X-Files and the dark skies and the men in black and all the things that are going on, you look around, you can't go anywhere without seeing an alien on a T-shirt or something.
On of all places that travel channel, there was a little factoid yesterday, and they said, did you know that from the moment the Wright brothers took their first flight until the Apollo astronauts first stepped on the moon, there was 66 years.
Now, that's really something to think about.
We went from barely getting off the ground to the moon in 66 years.
And if you would go back just to the beginning of that 66 years where they were just, the Wright brothers were just putting a machine up above the surface of the Earth just a little bit and showed them a television, a color television, they would have thought it was magic.
I remember radio, too, early days when radio told stories.
Actually, in a lot of ways, we've come full circle because here we are doing the kind of thing we're doing right now, which is not that far-flung from what was done then on radio.
And I think the key thing that I would say about the pyramids is that, of course, in popular and conventional thought, they were built by the Egyptians using their slaves.
And yet, the Egyptians only lived about 3,000 years ago.
There is water damage on the pyramid, water erosion.
And they know it's water because it's vertical instead of horizontal.
When the wind blows, it's horizontal erosion.
And so this means that this pyramid was subjected to heavy rains at one point, and there has not been any heavy rains on the Giza Plateau in about 10,000 years.
So the pyramid obviously predates the Egyptians by about 7,000 years.
Well, I don't really know, but it's certainly intriguing because the photographs that we do have of the Sidonia region on Mars indicates pyramids of similar size and configuration as those on the Giza Plateau.
And that comes back to the fact that that would indicate that there was somebody at some time who might could have traveled from Egypt to Mars.
And there's other evidence of that though.
For instance, in my book Alien Agenda, I talk about the Piri Rees maps, which were done in the 1500s based on maps that went all the way back to Alexander the Greek that were based on maps that even went further back than that.
And these maps that were done by Piri Rees in the 1500s clearly show an accurate outline of the coastline of Antarctica.
They could not, because it was only until we had satellites and infrared imaging that we were able to determine the true outline of the coastline of Antarctica because it's under an ice shelf.
One of them for the Hubble Space Telescope and the other for NASA space missions.
And they told some kind of interesting stories, Jim, and then somebody came along and did speech reversal on them and some pretty strange things came out.
Well, I've talked to too many people who've worked for NASA, and again, it's one of these things where what they say publicly is often not at all what is said privately.
I think that NASA, you have to understand, has been an integral, even though we like to think of it as our space program, it nevertheless has been an integral part of our defense program for years and has been under the very stringent control of the military.
I know people who have gone down there and tried to get some of these photographs.
They have millions of them.
And if you go down there and you just want a picture of the surface of the moon, they'll give you a real nice one all sprayed, you know.
But if you ask them for the ones that show very odd things, such as tracks moving in odd directions on the moon, suddenly they can't find those.
Or they give you some blurry shot, you know, that really doesn't show anything.
Yes, I think there is plenty of evidence to show that NASA has not been very forthcoming with the public.
In fact, one of the things in researching my book, Alien Agenda, that I found the most compelling as far as evidence of EFO activity around the Earth was the videotape from the Space Shuttle Discovery that was taken in September of 1991.
And this tape was obtained from NASA, and it clearly shows to just the untrained eye that there are bright objects a very great distance away from the space shuttle that are moving, accelerating, decelerating.
And of course, NASA comes back and says, oh, well, these are just ice crystals from a water dump, you know, and they're floating beside the shuttle.
But the problem is, if you watch the entire four-minute section of the tape, the camera pans downward to the shuttle, and then the camera comes into focus into the shuttle bay, which means it's focusing close up, which means when it was showing these objects, it was focused at infinity.
And you're not going to see ice crystals floating near the shuttle when our camera's focused at infinity.
So here, again, we have NASA officials that are dissembling right before our eyes.
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornucopia.
Just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the airwaves and tell people this, I shall.
Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Well, I think that right now we see the government, you know, in a deep state of denial, and they're saying nothing's going on.
I think what's going to happen pretty quickly, and from what I hear from you, I think you would agree with this, that there's going to be some sort of event that will be undeniable.
And too many people will see it, too much news coverage, something's going to happen that they can't deny.
And at that point, this is where my concern comes in.
I think that they have probably already set up the mechanism and have already had the contingency plans drawn up.
And at that point, it's going to be, well, yes, your government is looking into this situation.
And then during this crisis, you'll have to just give up all your civil liberties so we can protect you from these things.
Well, I wonder how people are going to react if there were an undeniable, unambiguous presence suddenly, and the government admitted to it.
If an event of that magnitude occurred, the churches, the people who go to work every day, the government itself, the scientists, every institution, what would begin to happen on Earth, do you think?
Well, that might be the goal of government anyway.
So there are a number of people who say, whether UFOs are real or not, there may come a time when the government would, if necessary, stage an event for the very purpose that you just named.
The Nazis themselves burned down the Reichstag, their Congress, and then blamed it on the Communists and then set off a whole nationwide palm gromm against all kinds of people, the Jews and the communists and everybody else.
I didn't go overseas, but I had hoped that we would have learned something from that.
Because going into Vietnam, we were pretty naive and we pretty well believed what we were told and we believed, you know.
But coming out of Vietnam, I thought we had wised up some.
But then you see the Gulf War, okay?
And here's a guy who had been a two-bit tinhorn dictator, but he was our two-bit tin horn dictator.
And then all of a sudden, he defaults on his international bank loans and becomes the new Hitler.
And people, you know, and to me, it was a very blatant, it was an economic situation.
Saddam Hussein goes to our ambassador, April Glasby, and says, what are you all going to do if I invade Kuwait?
And he was told, well, that's an Arab question.
We don't have any particular thought on that.
What does that sound like?
It sounds like, do what you want to do.
And yet when he does it, all of a sudden, President Bush is drawing a line in the sand.
And I was absolutely astounded.
I look around here and I see all the people I live around and my neighbors and friends and everybody.
And everybody's tying yellow ribbon, and they're just, they're falling for it.
And then, of course, we defeat the third largest military force in the world in a matter of, you know, weeks.
And then as we're about to close it all down and claim the final victory, I don't know, I guess he picked up the telephone, told those international bankers he'd start paying his interest.
And now, are we all just going to fall in line again and put up our yellow ribbons and say yay for our side and just follow along like the little sheep that I guess we are?
I don't know.
But it bothers me because if something of the magnitude of extraterrestrial visitation comes about, there is going to be a lot of fear going on and we will be ripe to be whipsawed around by anybody that wants to claim authority.
I think abductions are that you know they've only kind of cropped up in recent years.
I guess maybe Betty Barney Hill was the first big one that was publicized, and that occurred about 1965.
I think what's going on here is that these visitors are bypassing the official government representatives because I think they may have tried to deal with them and it was all swept under secrecy and plus maybe deals weren't honored, you know, as the Native American Indians.
They'll tell you about deals with the central government.
We're all aware of the abductions because the people who've had these have had basically apparently negative and traumatic experiences.
Therefore, they turn to professional help.
They go on the talk shows.
They go public.
They say, what has happened to me?
And that's what we know about abductions.
And that's the kind of people that Dr. Mack and Bud Hopkins and others are dealing with.
What I discovered in researching my book, Alien Agenda, is that there's a whole lot of folks out there who say, well, I've had an experience like that, but I thought it was kind of neat.
And I agreed to go along.
In fact, I've agreed to work with them.
And I wasn't traumatized.
And as a result, they don't seek professional help.
They don't seek the public ridicule by going public with their story.
And if my reading on all that's correct, then this abduction or contact type situation is much more widespread than even we believed, you know, at first.
Well, I'll be the first to tell you that this is not an Independence Day craft.
This, in all probability, is a temperature inversion.
But I published that because this Jim Cuffel brought that to me, showed me to me, and it was such an intriguing-looking photograph.
He took that in the skies near Antioch, Illinois on November the 10th, 1996.
And it was just an intriguing photograph, but I wanted to include that to show what kind of things are up there that we don't often see and could mistake for a UFO, because I'm sure you'll agree with me.
Undoubtedly, there are some hoaxes and there are some misinterpretations of natural phenomena.
That's why I like, for instance, I live out here about 80 miles northwest of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and I'm out inside of a semi-rural area, and I've got some incredible skies out here.
I also happen to be right near the northwest corner of what they call the box, which is where the airlines gather to be vectored into the DFW airport.
And so I'm used to seeing all these little lights and things twinkling and things moving in the night sky.
But I'm the last one that's going to point to one of those and say that must be a UFO, because lights moving in the sky has never impressed me that much.
No, I am thinking seriously about getting into all that, but my big problem is I live so far out from the city that up until recently I couldn't get to a service provider except long distance, and that would have run my phone bill up unacceptable height.
There is absolutely no question that beginning in the 50s and through the 60s and 70s that the government participated in an extraordinary amount of underground construction.
They have things that, you know, facilities that some people aren't even aware of.
Plus, there are large corporations that have built huge underground facilities.
And well, these folks decided that, you know, they really wanted to be safe, so they built these huge underground things.
But I think that it's evolved now, and I think that they're to the point now where they realize that being underground in a shelter might not necessarily save you from earth changes, from earthquakes, from volcanoes, from things that have been going on right here, you know, in our own country over the last couple of decades.
And so I think it's entirely possible that there are, again, a facet of this secrecy is to keep sophisticated and futuristic spaceflight a secret.
In other words, we get to watch the space shuttle and we get to watch the Soviet and the American astronauts up there cavorting around, but while that's holding our attention, they're using perhaps some very exotic technology to just lift off and fly on off to the moon or Mars or somewhere else.
Do you think that our present government, our current president, for example, Bill Clinton, knows of this duality, these parallel and very different space programs?
In fact, just the other day I was talking to a fellow who had spoken, as I have too, with former Senator Barry Goldwater.
And Goldwater, who was a ranking military officer as well as a powerful member of Congress, said that he couldn't get to any of this stuff, that it was classified much higher than he could get to, and basically kind of supported that idea.
Now, if a ranking member of Congress can't find out what's really going on, you know, why do people make fun of the average citizen when they complain that they can't find out what's going on?
One other president, Jimmy Carter, of course, promised when he was running that he would tell the American people whatever he would find out if he became president.
And, of course, Jimmy Carter has been one of our better ex-presidents.
And he was at a book signing recently, which one of my listeners went to.
And the listener really described it well.
So Jimmy Carter was sitting there.
You know how you do.
You've been to book signings, just quickly signing a book, hardly looking up at the person, handing them the book, going as fast as he could.
This fellow went out of his way to capture Carter's attention, you know, eye contact.
And he said, President Carter, you promised to tell all you knew about UFOs and then didn't do it.
Why?
And Carter just sat there and looked at this fellow, and tears formed in the corner of his eyes.
It's quite a story.
And so it may be that some presidents have known some things, but what can you imagine, Jim, that could be so dramatic that they could be told that would stop them from fulfilling a campaign promise or telling us what they wanted to tell us what could be so profound mindset and let me explain what I'm talking about pretty quickly here I you may or may not be aware of
There's a book coming out by a fellow named Philip Carso.
And Carso has impeccable military credentials, very high ranking.
In fact, was within intelligence connected to the Eisenhower White House.
And this book is going to really be a bombshell because he claims that he actually held the Roswell debris in his hand and actually saw the bodies and that it was a flying saucer and that it was bodies.
Okay?
And he's going to support the whole thing, the whole story that we've all already heard.
But, along with that, I have heard from a friend of mine that has spoken with him that he says that the secrecy surrounding all this was necessary because these folks are evil and hostile.
And I'm going, you know, how's that?
And I said, what?
What did he say that supports his idea that these people are evil and hostile?
And the fellow who had spoken with him said, well, he said that they came and hovered over our military installations and our nuclear installations.
And when we told them to halt, they wouldn't halt.
And, you know, we fired at them and they went away.
and then, but then they came back and they just, they just, we couldn't control them.
So if these things do not represent threats to national security, I want a good definition of national security.
Jim, hold on.
We'll get back to you.
And when we come back, we're going to go to the phones.
Jim Mars is my guest.
Alien Agenda is his book.
By the way, coming up in this break, if you're seeing the studio webcam, I'm going to entice my wife in so you'll see her for a moment.
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Jim, you mentioned the Corso book coming out, right?
There's a big controversy going on with that right now with Senator Thurman.
I'm sure you know about that.
He wrote the forward to the book, and in a statement, Thurman said that he agreed to provide the foreword on the understanding the book was autobiographical and that now he regrets that it appears to bolster claims of a government conspiracy and cover-up.
Quote, I know of no such cover-up, the senator said, and do not believe that one existed, end quote.
But there's been enough evidence that's popped up over the last 50 years that I think any reasonable person would have to say there's something going on.
In fact, this is why I think my book Aviating Agenda may be just the ticket for people who have seen UFOs or who know people who've had an experience and that really know and believe that there's something going on.
And the biggest problem they have is with their friends and relatives and neighbors who say, oh, you don't believe that old UFO stuff, do you?
Well, this is the book to give to those people and let them read it cover to cover and then have them look you in the eye and tell you there's nothing going on.
I just don't think that you could do that if you were any kind of reasonable person.
Yeah, there is a surprising amount of consistency in some of those stories and legends and prophecies.
And I think it's probably like any other endeavor of man.
I don't think you can grab one and say that this is the definitive answer.
But when you study all of them, there seems to be kind of a general outline of what goes on.
And it's pretty interesting.
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Oh, absolutely.
You know, this knowledge had to come from sometime in the past and some connection.
You know, the sciences they had.
You know, these are natives running around, supposedly, you know, with no mathematics and so forth, but yet they had the star systems mapped out even before we were able to find them.
And listen, I think that's one of the things that your show is really doing a bang up good public service on art is because here's what really bothers me, especially coming from the media as I do.
Just since the first of this year, 1997, we're not talking ancient history.
We're talking about right now.
There have been some major UFO sightings in the Boston area, in the Atlanta area, in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
And of course, now it is mentioned above Phoenix.
And yet, where's the national media?
See, it's almost as if there's a news blackout on all of this.
I had a Phoenix City Council member on the air, very brave lady, who dared go in front of the council and say, shouldn't we investigate this monstrous thing that appeared above our city, almost like ID4?
I watched carefully, I've been involved in a couple of large national stories lately, Jim, and it is my absolute observation that God helped the person who tries to get in the way of the way the American media has decided it wants to tell a story.
What occurred at Rancho Santa Fe was an exquisite example of that.
They determined in the beginning how they were going to tell it, and by God, don't let any facts get in the way of that.
I was astounded.
I mean, you know, I come, you and I are about the same age.
You might be a little older than I am.
But I come from an era when, you know, when the FBI would come up to the podium and they'd say something, it was like gold, you know, gospel.
That's right, it was gospel.
What the president said, what the various agencies said, even the alphabet agencies, it was like gospel.
Today, it's totally the other way around.
When they come and say something about an investigation they're doing, you should almost assume the exact opposite.
I think I mentioned in my book, Alien Agenda, if the federal government of the United States was an individual, none of us would have anything to do with him.
My reason for calling was, well, going to the Roswell incident and a sense of is it not possible, even probable, that our government had the encounter, they had the people, alien, had the information that we are not ready to know what they're doing.
And I hate to give our government any credit, but possible that they have kept a secret for that reason.
And I've had a lot of anger over them not publicizing, not telling us the truth, but yet they know they cannot tell.
And that's the secrecy and why it's gone to the extreme that it has.
Well, I think that's a good part of it, because in my years as a journalist and a newspaper reporter, the higher you get in government bureaucracy, the more you run into this attitude of, I know what's best for the poor old masses.
You know, they're just too dumb to figure out anything for themselves.
And that is a very prevalent attitude.
And as I say, the higher you go, the harder it gets.
You know, and so what's going to happen is I think eventually our life and our culture will kind of evolve and move on along and they're going to be back there screaming, hey, wait for us, we're your leaders.
They sort of, you know, it's like a lie once you begin telling it you've got to keep telling it or you've got to explain how come you told it in the first place that's right if they come out now and try to say yes something very unusual did fall near roswell then they got the next question is well why have you lied to us for 50 years but i again let me say the most straightforward answer to that question about secrecy is that there's no question because the documents clear clearly show that the group in charge of all this is the u.s military and the military would view ufos
and spacecraft and all like that as advanced technology.
And any advanced technology would therefore be considered potential weaponry.
And therefore, they've got to keep it secret because they've been doing that for the last 50 or 100 years.
At the height of the Cold War, the Soviet people, the people over in Russia, they only had to really worry about one intelligence outfit, and that was the KGB, okay?
Today, in the United States of America, it claims to be free and democratic.
With no war going on and not even a Cold War, there are more than 22 secret intelligence agencies.
In my book, Alien Agenda, I point out that just last year, the GAO reported that the NRO, which is the National Reconnaissance Office, one of these secret intelligence outfits, lost $12 billion.
They just lost it.
We don't know where it went.
And the New York Times, in reporting this, says that's due to the intense secrecy.
That it's like safe within safe.
And, you know, different offices use different accounting principles, and they just didn't know where the money went.
Boy, how would you like to be the poor slob who had to go before some sort of senatorial or congressional committee and say, explain how you lost, lost, keyword, $12 billion.
Number one, as we started off talking about, UFOs represent real, material, tangible objects.
And although there are probably some hoaxes, some misinterpretation, and there's probably some government secret technology testing that could approximate some of them, there is nevertheless an obvious technology involved here that is beyond what we humans have at this point.
So that indicates that they're from somewhere else.
Now when we get into where they come from somewhere else, you get into a whole little morass of theories and conjecture.
But again, going back to the government-trained and experienced remote viewers, they say, and this seems to be echoed by a lot of the New Age philosophy, a lot of the abductees, the contactees, they say there's a whole universe of life out there, okay, and that there are many different species, probably thousands of them, of intelligence.
In fact, so much intelligence that most of them don't even bother coming here.
But there does seem to be perhaps as many as two dozen, or maybe even more, of various ET species that are having some sort of interaction with Earth.
But again, you can't, they come from different places and they have different agendas.
And some of them are probably more benign than others.
Some of them may be here just on a scientific mission just to check it out.
Some may be wanting to just gather up a few specimens to go take back and put in a zoo or something.
Who knows?
But it should be obvious, though, to anybody that's thinking that none of this bunch seems to be overtly hostile because of the sheer fact that nobody's tried to attack the Earth so far.
And it also makes sense to understand that if they are as advanced technologically as they seem to be, then they would be probably more advanced than us sociologically.
And they understand that it's simply not right to interfere with the natural evolution of a species.
And that's why there probably is something in effect tantamount to what they call in Star Trek the prime directive.
It's just not right to interfere with the natural evolution of a species.
However, I think what's going on here, though, is that they're being pressed on this issue because it would be one thing to just sit back and observe us and watch us do our thing and watch until we get to a point to where we finally evolve to where we can meet with them on a technical level and on a social level.
But here's the clicker.
As you mentioned early in the program, we are in the process of basically destroying our world.
You know, the ozone, the pollution, the rainforest, you name it.
The worlds and the oceans are dying.
The Mediterranean's practically already dead.
we've got some real problems here.
And so I think they're being pressed to try to push us on up this evolutionary ladder a little bit quicker in an effort to try to...
But I think they're trying to, through various things by letting us by these sightings by these abductions by all these stories that are all flowing around the periphery of our day-to-day consciousness they are impinging themselves into our reality and trying to get us to come get up to speed on our on our evolutionary progress so that we will make the decisions necessary to save ourselves and save our planet.
And I'm sure, see, again, you have to understand we're talking about different species, and all of them have their own agendas, okay?
And some of them may not be as benevolent as others.
But there seems to be no signs and no clear evidence that any of them are overtly hostile.
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I can understand that theory, Mr. Mars, but you know, my point is what I want to get across, and I want to get your opinion on this, if I can express it properly, is that to get a species to, regardless of what type of species,
what type of galaxy or planetary system they come from, or whatever their elements may be chemically or biologically, whatever, it would seem to me that beyond any kind of monetary social evolution, they've been through the value system of inventing and creating and getting through the however many years it takes for them to evolve into space travel,
it would seem to me that it would be beyond the need for, say, plucking natural resources from a distant galaxy or destroying life of other forms just to see them squirm.
It would seem to me it would be even more than curiosity.
Just to even fathom what their agenda would be would almost be 101% pure speculation.
You make a good point, and I certainly acknowledge that, and I chose the title of my book, Alien Agenda, because it's just attention-getting.
It gives you attention, and that's what I'm attempting to deal with.
But I certainly make no claims that I'm laying down gospel here and that this is it.
In fact, what I'm hoping and what I'm thinking I'm doing here is just barely opening the door on a public dialogue as to what is the agenda of these things.
I think what I do by trailing all the way back to the ancient astronauts coming on forward through the government secrecy, through the Robertson panel, through the Condon report, detailing the whole history of this thing, I think I can prove to any reasonable-minded person that there is something valid going on.
There's a real tangible reality happening here.
And then I launch into some ideas and concepts about what this alien agenda may be.
But you're absolutely right.
It does get into the area of conjecture.
And what I'm hoping I'm doing here is simply opening up a public dialogue.
For instance, in the case of the Kennedy assassination, for so many years it was just socially unacceptable to even talk about it.
But by the late 80s, all of a sudden it was on the table.
And now it's socially acceptable to talk about the Kennedy assassination.
And I want to do the same thing with the UFO issue.
Now, Jim, what do you think of Ceceti and Dr. Greer's effort?
Now, he's trying to get together a lot of high-level military people who have signed oaths, has done that, and has gone back to Washington and has tried to present incontrovertible evidence collectively, I guess, or cumulatively, that cannot be ignored, demanding a congressional investigation of some kind.
Let me give you an example of how this works, and I'm not going to use this fellow's real name or the real network because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
But let's just call this fellow Peter.
Peter worked for one of the major TV networks.
His job was on the weekend to take the affiliate feeds and check it out and decide what's going to go on the national news wire, right?
Okay, he said that there was only two stories that required prior approval.
In other words, he had to take them upstairs to somebody, some brass to get the approval on it.
One of them was terrorism, and I think we can kind of understand why that's there.
But interestingly, he said most of the time, oh, occasionally they'd say, well, go easy on this or don't talk about this aspect, but most of the time those stories went ahead and moved on, you know.
He said the second topic was UFOs, and he said when it came to UFOs, the stories never came back.
In other words, they never got on the network news.
And this is what's contributing mightily to the confusion and the controversy that's going on over the UFO issue is because there is control, very tight control, over The distribution of the information.
Their mindset is, is that I live in reality and you don't.
And yet, I think if you go and take an honest poll of the vast majority of the people in this country, they're going to say, hey, I live the real life and the media lives in her ivory tower somewhere and has no concept of what's really going on.
Okay, his comment was that Dr. Greer, like Richard Hoagland, they're both doing good work, but they're not getting the proper coverage from the American media.
That's his comment.
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I wanted to ask you one thing, Ark.
You remember when he said that none of his friends had their house or apartments burned down?
Well, if they are indeed harming the ozone layer, I don't think they know for certain that just passing through the ozone layer causes that amount of problem.
It's our jets with their exhaust that sends hydrofluorocarbons up into the ozone that's causing the problem.
I'll tell you, it's, of course, off into the land of conjecture, but if there were others, and if they could travel, and if they are watching us, and if you conclude that much is possible, then at the moment we begin to invent atomic energy, at the moment we have the ability to launch vehicles off our own planet, it seems to me the level of interest would increase.
This is, and keep in mind, this is not an absolute certainty, but according to Major Kehoe, who as I studied and researched, came to have a kind of a grudging admiration for, he says that in 1946,
a Dr. Fritz Zwicky participated in a secret Army ordnance project to bombard the moon, Mars, and other planets with projectiles launched on V-2 rockets in 1946.
So the idea was they would place these things on top of V-2s, fire the V-2 up as far as it would go, and then basically like a second stage, zoom this thing on out into space with a warhead on it to create an explosion on the moon and on Mars and on maybe on Venus, other planets.
And then astronomers then would look at this and from the size, configuration, and density and everything of these explosions, they could hopefully learn more about the planets.
And we're going to get back to them in your calls, and we're going to lay heavily into the phones this hour.
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Well, I would like to share an experience that I had when I lived in California.
I'm in Amarillo, Texas here.
My name is Lynn.
And I had an experience with some creatures.
I was homeless at the time.
We were living outside of a town in the San Joaquin Valley.
And there were kids that were coming out and raiding our homeless camp.
And I happened to be there by myself one day, and I saw the grass moving, and I chased this thing down into the bushes.
And I caught up with it, and I opened the bushes, and it wasn't reptilian and it wasn't humanoid and it wasn't what people call what the grays look like with the big eyes and everything.
I've got a fascinating story that I recount in Alien Agenda about a man who was abducted, I guess, but kind of got into what was going on and asked to drive the craft and later was, they tried to recruit him to be a UFO pilot.
And he was going to go along with it until he found out he said, well, I have to go get my family.
And they said, oh, no, no families.
You know, you can't bring your family.
So he said, well, then I'll have to turn it down.
And this was not, this was a, this is a credible military intelligence officer.
It seems to be moving closer to us because it started, the chupacabridas started off in Puerto Rico and then were reported in Central America and then in Mexico.
And then just since the first of this year, I had some news clippings from the Dallas Morning News.
There was reports from South Texas of the Chupacabra.
Well, the Chupacabra would appear to be, based on the reports, a kind of a creature that is here sometimes and maybe somewhere else, maybe moving through some sort of portal or dimension or something to get here, something along those lines.
Well, you know, I guess what it comes down to is that I think there's a whole lot going on that we, meaning humans, meaning all of us, either are not aware of or just barely aware of or it has nothing to do with us, but it's going on in our space-time continuum.
You know, there's just a lot going on.
It's like Shakespeare said, a lot more things under heaven and sun than are dreamt of in our philosophy.
Here's something that puzzles me, because I had somebody, we were talking about the Phoenix thing just a few days ago, and somebody brought up the idea, well, again, maybe that's just secret government testing.
But my question to you is, why would they test something over a population center like that?
Wouldn't they go off somewhere out in the mountains or over some place where there's hardly anybody to do their secret testing?
Except, you know what I found what's so funny and ironic about that is that Ezekiel, number one, and this is all covered in alien agenda again, was a good reporter.
He didn't say, I was laying by the river one day and I had this vision, came, you know, and I just saw this stuff.
He's particular.
He said, I was by the river Shebar.
It was the year of such and such after King so-and-so did such and such.
I mean, he dates his thing.
He got it down, and he says, I looked up to the north and I saw a vision of God.
Okay?
Now, that's in the original King James.
Now, in the modern, in some of the more modern translations, and I think this is a good illustration of how just the slight change of a word or phrase can alter the meaning.
In some of the modern translations, it says, he was by the river, and he looked up, and God came to him in a vision.
Well, see, that's a semantical difference there, but you can see the difference.
Now, in the original King James, when he's talking about, I saw a vision of God, then he goes on to say, to describe it, he goes on to say that the vision of God landed, the vision of God took me up, the vision of God took me to a city, and while they were going to the city, and he was being given a tour and very carefully describing the city that was up in some mountains, I believe, they got to one point and he said, what's in that building?
And they said, oh, you can't go in there.
The vision of God's in there.
So to me, it's very obvious that Ezekiel is trying to, to the best of his ability, to describe something that he has no concept of and can only describe as a vision of God.
Now, what's ironic is that the people who would argue against a literal translation are the very fundamentalist types who argue about the inerrancy of the Bible.
But I've got one book where a very conservative fundamentalist claims, oh, well, Ezekiel was just talking in allegories.
I began noticing this in the late 70s, even before I left the newspaper that I worked for for a good number of years.
You would see the, we get the new, again, this has to do with control of the media.
You have the stories about, like at the first of this year, I think Prime Star put up four or five or maybe more communication satellites.
And, you know, they just fired them up there and they're in orbit.
And boy, now they've got 120 channels, you know, or 200 channels with nothing worth watching on, you know, but there they are.
And you hear about this, and there's no problem.
But for the longest time, you'd see these little bitty stories that would say there's going to be a launch, but it has to do with military, and there's a, you know, it's secret.
And then you'd see a two or three graph little story back at the back of the page says the Pentagon announced that they lost touch with their satellite, you know.
Well, it's interesting because I covered in some detail the loss of the two major Mars probes from Russia, the Phobos II, and IRS, the Mars observer.
And according to the remote viewers, the same thing happened to both of them, which was as they approached Mars and were about to go into orbit, something rose off the Martian surface and flew out to meet it, scanned it with an electromagnetic beam, which disrupted the onboard computers and then caused it basically to lose contact and crash into the atmosphere of Mars.
But now let me hasten to add that the viewers who took a look at this, none of them seemed to think that this was any particular type of hostile act.
It was more like the tugboats coming out to meet the Queen Mary, but then realizing that it wasn't the Queen Mary, it wasn't anything that they had anything to do with.
So after scanning it, they just turned around and went back, but it was enough to cripple this thing.
The second thing is, I wondered if you would ask your guest, Mr. Mars, if he has any insight about the major button thing about that military pilot who left his squad and then disappeared, and then all of a sudden they're picking off little bitty pieces.
As a matter of fact, in conjunction with that, the West Palm Beach Sheriff's Office, the whole thing shut down because within an hour or two of that, their Hallion system kicked on and they had to evacuate the whole place.
And yet, the mass media, as led by the networks and, I'll say it, the Associated Press.
Right.
When the Associated Press writes an article, whatever angle they take on it is the angle that, you know, I'm going to be honest, most newsrooms, except the bigger, more responsible ones, rip and read.
Actually, the first thing had to do with the government cover-up of information, which I know we all believe is going on.
I know I do.
I was just wondering if you thought there was anything that we could really do about it, the American public, as far as taking action against trying to find out this information.
I don't think that as an individual you're going to be able to push the federal government around very much, but I'll tell you where I think you could make a big difference because, and it fits in line with what Art and I were just talking about, about the media.
The media, for all its problems, still likes to at least think of itself as being very responsive to the public.
And if you would simply make a phone call, write a letter, send some email, send fax, whatever, get your friends to do likewise, and simply hold the media's feet to the fire and make them do what they say they do, which is go out and cover the news of what's going on.
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Yeah, exactly.
And I was thinking, I don't know, sounds crazy probably, but if you could somehow get some nationwide publicity of something and get like a million-man march thing from a couple years ago and have 100,000 people show up at Area 51 and walk across their restricted area line, march up to the gate, you know, what would they be able to do?
Wasn't there some kind of thing like that that they tried up in Washington about UFOs and about some kind of march, some kind of picket around the White House or something?
I'm vague on it because, again, there was a news blackout.
They didn't talk about it, but didn't they try that a few years back?
And that would be like sending, if we lived on Mars and we sent a probe to Earth and we landed one lander in the middle of Antarctica, is that going to give us an accurate picture of the Earth?
I asked the two fellows I had from NASA here, if we were to orbit a craft around Earth capable of resolving the same type of imagery that we resolved when we Took the picture of the face on Mars.
And we pointed the camera, luckily, at Giza.
And we saw the pyramids.
Would we understand what we were looking at?
And there was a long silence, and they said, absolutely not.
As I'm remembering correctly, I think the only thing that can be seen from space on the Earth that would give any indication of intelligent life is, believe it or not, the Great Wall of China.
Well, I'll tell you, Jim, I'll tell you what I did once, and it was about two weeks before Phoenix.
I said to my audience, a considerable number of people out there, millions, if, as everybody suggests, communication with these beings is telepathic, then I wonder what would happen if we gathered a bunch of us together and telepathically tried to call down Kraft.
I've often wondered, you know, what would I do if something really did come down there and land?
And, you know, I think it's kind of like combat.
I think it's one of those situations where you can think, whoa, I'd do this or I'd do that, you know, but I don't think anybody really knows what they do until they experience it.
I think that's part of the conditioning process, the quickening that Art has talked about.
I will say this, though.
Let me throw this in real quick.
I've just gotten back from a two-week whirlwind media tour, and I was hit several different cities and did some signings, did a lot of media.
Including while I was in New York, I was in the studios of CBS and CNN.
And let me tell you, it's kind of interesting.
There's kind of a different attitude taking place in the mass media.
Now, it's still not breaking that log jam of the nationwide mass media, but individually there are people within the media who are beginning to take this whole subject a whole lot more seriously.
Quick question, or actually a couple of them, but I want to make a quick statement.
I wanted to mention the NASA guest that you had on.
Didn't you notice or did you notice that when they spoke, that one person was in charge, and if one other person wants to speak, or did you notice that there were signals between the two?
And one question I wanted you to ask them, but you didn't, I don't think, that I heard, was how the space shuttles acquired the names that they did, such as Columbia, Discovery, and so on and so forth.
When you say hypnotic regression, are you talking about using hypnosis to bring back abduction experiences, or are you talking about regression where you're regressing back to another lifetime?
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Right, hypnosis to bring back abduction experiences.
Yeah, I cover that pretty extensively in my book Alien Agenda.
And I think there is an argument, and what seems to be the consensus of opinion of people on both pro and con, is that hypnosis can be a very good tool, okay?
But it is not foolproof, and it has to be used under very stringent conditions.
And I'm a big believer in that.
But let me quickly point out, though, that there are plenty of abductees who tell very consistent stories and that are consistent with the people who undergo the hypnosis, who tell the same stories without the aid of hypnosis.
So the people who are trying to say that all the abductions can be explained away as bad hypnosis sessions where the hypnotist is leading the witness, that's simply not true.
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Now, are you telling me this from your opinion or experience with people that you've interviewed?
No, I'm saying that in my study, and I did an extensive study of the literature, and there are those who allege that all the experiences can be explained away as just bad hypnosis, but I'm telling you, there's a lot of them that have had conscious recall without the hypnosis.
So obviously there's something going on other than just ill-used hypnosis.
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Which brings me to suspicion of why so many people can have the same experience worldwide.
And as far as I'm concerned, it's either one of two things.
Either this is a heretofore undiagnosis, undiagnosed mass psychosis, in which case that's a hell of a story, or they're all talking about some reality.
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One more question, if I may.
As far as implants goes, do you know or have you heard of anybody being able to view an implant?
Yeah, Carla, if you've got access to the web on my website, you will find electron microscope photographs of an implant removed at the behest of John Mack at Harvard.
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I did see that.
The question I had, I was curious about, was, do you think you can see them in your ear?
I would think it's pretty difficult because it's my understanding from my study that most of these, number one, they're little bitty tiny things to begin with.
And number two, most of them are embedded like just under the skin.