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June 6, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - David Oates - Reverse Speech

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones stretching from the Hawaiian and Titian Island chains all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands and south into South America, north to the Pole worldwide on the internet.
		We ought to call it Worldwide AM or something.
		Good morning, everybody.
		This is actually Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Marcelle.
		And tonight we are going to take, we're going to delve into the world of reverse speech.
		And so prepare yourself.
		This should be more than just a little interesting, I would say.
		The man we're going to be interviewing is Ben John Oates.
		He is the originator of reverse speech.
		I know there are a lot of new people with us who have never heard of reverse speech.
		So we will endeavor in the first segment to tell you what it is, why it is, that sort of thing.
		And then in the next segment, we will do reversals on, well, I wonder how many of you remember when Ray Villard and Don Savage were my guests from NASA.
		They spent several hours with us.
		And there have been extensive reversals done on the guys from NASA.
		And then, of course, there was the mysterious Victor.
		Victor, who says that he smuggled an alien video, an interrogation video of an alien from Area 51.
		And he used a voice changer.
		Remember that?
		So the mysterious Victor will also be reversed.
		And now, what is reversed speech and why is it important?
		Well, if you've never heard David John Oates, you're about to find out.
		David has a speech impediment himself, has had all his life.
		That led him into the study of speech in general.
		And then he kind of stumbled into reverse speech, not what the Beatles did by putting reverse phrases intentionally into music, but rather utterances of human beings that when reversed tend to,
		and we'll talk about all this in a moment, tend to be like a great lie detector or a confirmation of that which you are saying forward.
		It is truly an interesting, interesting, if not fascinating, technology that has been now recognized by the U.S. government.
		We'll talk about that.
		And we'll find out about the recent fire.
		Now, I want to tell everybody right off the bat several things.
		Number one, we've got a studio cam.
		And you will tonight see a modification of the studio cam.
		Tonight, you'll be able to see a shot from the front and the rear.
		In some shots, you will see a front-on picture of me doing the radio program.
		In other shots, you will see a second camera, which is automatically sequencing and provides a shot of the studio console that I've got here and the operating position and all the rest of that.
		So we have made a very serious modification to the studio cam, and I think you'll enjoy it.
		Provides a little variety.
		It'll be interesting to see how much detail you're able to make out.
		So if you want to see me doing the program, not that I would necessarily go watch a radio guy, I'm not sure I would.
		They are nearly photographic quality images, and they change all the time.
		And every now and then you're going to catch me doing something probably I ought not be doing.
		And I'm sure everybody will squirrel and save those away to use for embarrassing me at a later moment.
		Like something said in reverse that you didn't want known.
		So, such is life.
		We're having a lot of fun with this.
		Anyway, we've got two shots now.
		And all you've got to do is go on up to the website and log in at www.artbell.com and look for where it says, it'll say, under the new items there, it'll say live studio cam.
		Maybe it ought to say cams, plural.
		Now, maybe it does, for all I know.
		All right, to David John Oates in a moment, the KRC.
		Okay, here is David John Oates.
		David is in Southern California, right, David?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Just north of San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And there is an example of speech impediment.
		And since you were a child, you had a stuttering problem.
		Is that correct?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's correct.
		When I was a teenager, it was extremely bad.
		And as a result, I actually dropped out of high school because I couldn't talk and no one would talk to me.
		I just left and went out on my own.
		It's gotten better as time goes on, and now it appears with nervousness.
		You can tell the amount of my nervousness by the extent of my stutter.
		So it's basically disappeared for the most part now.
unidentified		Except it's still there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		So it would make sense to me, it really would make sense to me, that you would investigate speech or try and figure out why it is you stuttered.
		By the way, what is the conventional explanation for why people stutter?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends.
		There's many different reasons.
		I'm actually not an expert on it.
		I really, you know, I've been concerned with my own unique stutter, which is a hereditary condition.
		My grandfather stuttered and my father stuttered and genetic.
		Right.
		In the case of my family, it was a malformed muscle on the base of the tongue.
		And my father had an operation in his early preaching years.
		Dad was a country minister, and after his first two years of giving sermons and stuttering quite severely, he finally went in and got the operation done, and it cured him immediately.
		I haven't gone that route.
		I've chosen to use my stutter as a gauge for my self-confidence and the way I'm communicating and my own congruity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you know when you're confident, you know when you feel good.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you're not stuttering.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But everybody should know.
		I mean, come on, folks, I get people who call this radio program, David, and, you know, they get on the air and they freeze instantly, whoosh.
		And so coming on the radio is not necessarily one of the less nervous situations in the world.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, especially when I first started my broadcast, you know, I was thinking about the millions of people out listening to me and they would immediately shut me down.
		But nowadays, I just try to think, well, I'm just talking, talking to you, and I forget the others out there.
		And, you know, and then it seems to be okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, in a nutshell, what is river speech?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		The theory I'm proposing is that language is twofold.
		That as the human brain is constructing the sounds of speech, it's putting those speech sounds together in such a manner that we are delivering two messages at once.
		The first one is consciously or forwards, which is how you're speaking to me now.
		And the second message, or reverse speech, is embedded automatically backwards into our normal speech.
		So that literally, if human speech is recorded and played backwards, once every five or ten seconds, depends on the emotional content of the conversation, you will hear very clear and grammatically correct sentences that in most cases have a direct relationship to what's being spoken forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, and again, the more emotional the person is.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct, and it's extremely predictable in point of fact.
		In a strong argument situation, you may get reversals once every two or three seconds.
		If you've got a public speech where someone's reading a script and they're extremely left brains, there's not much emotion, you will get the once every 30 seconds to a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, David.
		Hey, David.
		You know, when people fight, I mean, really fight, like husbands and wives or bosses and employees or whatever, and they really get into a heated argument.
		One thing people always say to each other is, well, we were in a fight, and you know, you always say things you don't mean when you get in a fight.
		What they really mean is, I think, you always say things you do mean when you get in a big fight.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I think that's exactly correct.
		We exercise a great deal of control over our conscious speech, and when those barriers come down, what we're really feeling comes out.
		Both forwards and backwards.
		We get far more truthful the more emotionally charged we become.
		So the nature of the human cannot be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, as you were talking about that, I just happen to think about that, that people will say, well, I always say things I don't mean when I really get angry.
		It's really not that way at all.
		Really, things start flying they do mean and they come out unintentionally.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly correct.
		You know, we've kind of grown up as a society to keep our true feelings down.
		We've been taught since birth that white lies and suppression of the truth is the acceptable manner in which we must communicate.
		And our whole society has evolved that way.
		Politicians, for example, I mean, the classic thing is, you know, they will tell what the public wants them to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An accomplished politician equals most cases, in my opinion, an accomplished liar.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I think you're exactly correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't pull any punches.
		So when they give speeches, and I don't refer just to our president or to any particular politician, although our president is particularly good at it, they are smoothly and slickly lying to us many times.
		And is that so easily discernible by the process of reverse speech?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's two answers to that question.
		Yes, it is.
		I've got some classics on politicians lying.
		However, you have the disadvantage of the fact that they are frequently reading from a script and are very left-brained in their approach, and so consequently, the reversals drop off.
		I would love to get some of these politicians off camera when the lights aren't on them, and then, man, you could have a field day, but what we hear on the media is a slick, a smooth presentation, which by its very nature reduces the number of reversals that you will find.
		And particularly recently, for some reason, Bill Clinton's been producing far fewer reversals than what he did in his early years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because I know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's because he's not facing re-election.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, he doesn't have to tell us things that we want to hear as frequently, which means that he doesn't have to lie as much.
unidentified		Okay.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure about that, but that's an interesting thought.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, all right.
		So reverse speech has been recognized by the government in a way.
		In what way is that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's been approved by the United States Department of Labor as a certified occupation.
		We have our own occupational code.
		I'm a certified instructor for speech pathology in the state of California.
		And so I conduct My own classes and training programs.
		I train psychologists and private investigators, and we have actually started our own field.
		In effect, I've created a whole new occupational category called Reverse Speech Analysts.
		And so people go through my training program and they get certified by me, and it's a recognized occupation.
		Now, that doesn't mean they recognize the validity of the science, but they recognize its occupational status.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, in a way, one would seem to suggest the other.
		I mean, why would they recognize as a valid occupation something that is not valid?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		A good question.
		I guess I'm just trying to reform the distinction between an occupation and a certified science.
		I don't want to come out and say the United States government recognizes this as a science because that is not what the Department of Labour Certification is.
		But yes, you're quite right.
		In our proposal, we put forward a mountain of facts and they went through and accepted it.
		I was actually quite stunned, quite frankly, when I got the acceptance.
		But yeah, it means that we do have some recognition, as does the state of California recognise me as an instructive language pathology.
		We have a university in Australia currently, the Monash University out of Melbourne, Australia, who have just in the last couple of months begun the first field studies or the first official studies where they are trying to replicate my very early experiments.
		So we are now, so I've actually finally started the long process for official academic acceptance of this as a brand new science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is also a very dangerous science for those who are being reversed and for those who do the reversing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by that I mean everybody knows there was a fire.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reverse speech headquarters was burned to the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Burned to the ground.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Under what you continue to feel are completely suspicious circumstances.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely suspicious circumstances.
		There is no doubt in any of our minds that this was arson.
		We've since had two independent arson investigators out at the scene who can pinpoint the source of the blaze, where it began, and are absolutely convinced it's arson.
		Now, in addition to that, I actually have the first 20 minutes of the house fire on audio tape.
		I was in session with a client at the time, and we had, wherever I'm doing my sessions, you know, obviously I'm recording them, and I'll play you a couple of sections on that tape.
		But the most amazing thing is I didn't find this tape for three weeks after the fire.
		We were just cleaning off some of the equipment that still survived, and there was my tape.
		And when you run the tapes, once everyone is out of the house and before the fire department comes, there is people.
		Well, at least one person in the house rummaging through drawers and filing cabinets.
		You can hear filing cabinets, drawers open, and papers being shuffled.
		And then at one stage, about 15 minutes into the blaze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
		Let me stop you.
		There should have been nobody in the house.
		Is that correct?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		There should have been nobody in the house at all.
		But there is definitely at least one person in the house.
		You can actually hear him talking.
		He shouts out at the height of the blaze to someone else.
		You better get out.
		And I'll play that on the air because I would like to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we certainly will.
		But I'm curious, now the official investigators of this fire.
		Yes.
		How can they ignore this further evidence that there were people in the house that should not be?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly my question, too.
		We have a team of private investigators working on this now.
		I've hired an attorney, and the two are working together to force an official investigation.
		Personally, the whole thing smells from top to bottom.
		We still do not have the 911 tapes, which now this is two months after the fire, despite our many requests.
		We've got the fire logs down.
		They claim they are on scene within 10 minutes, yet everyone who was there clocked them at being 45 minutes before they came on scene.
		So there's falsification of logs.
		They refused to take a chemical analysis test, which is a standard procedure where arsen is suspected.
		And they refuse to conduct an investment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well see all that implies, has to imply, conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you feel there is a conspiracy.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I had finally come to the conclusion about the last two weeks that that is indeed what has happened.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want to believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's...
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even down to the fact that...
		I don't know how to answer that question.
		They certainly wanted to stop reverse speech, and that was the intent of the fire.
		But if anyone knows me and knows Ozzies, you know, you punch me and I just come back fighting harder.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come back, you shall, in a moment.
		We'll take a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		You've always got to wonder about that.
		What were they trying to do?
		He was, after all, in the structure at the time.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is CBZ.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell, and this is CBZ.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
		My guest is David John Oates, and what you have ahead, oh, what a treat you have ahead.
		So stay right where you are.
		Reverse speech night, NASA, Victor, coming up.
		A couple of items that I would consider quickening items.
		Severe weather in Metro Denver.
		Denver?
		Two tornadoes touched down in Boulder, Colorado at about 2 p.m. Mountain Time, causing some damage to a couple of homes.
		Absolutely incredible where we're beginning to have some of this weather.
		Local forecasters are looking for a repeat over the weekend.
		CDC officials fear an outbreak of huntavirus in the Four Corners area again.
		According to CBS News, CDSC officials are expecting a possible huntavirus outbreak again this year because heavier than normal rain fell in the region.
		On a related note, according to KUSA Television, Denver, a Denver woman is now recovering after losing one arm and a leg to the flesh-eating virus, STREP A. It begins with flu-like symptoms.
		One last thing, a 12-year-old boy in the northeastern U.S. was taken into custody after he hacked his way into the NASA website on at least two occasions and rewrote the page to read something like, stop the cover-up.
		It's our money.
		Do what we tell you.
		Tell us the truth.
		FBI says charges are pending.
		So we'll find out about that.
		All of that relating, well, most of it anyway, to what I call the quickening.
		And that is a process of acceleration in the world that I have written about in my book called The Quickening.
		Now, we're coming down the home stretch on the second printing and on my signing books.
		So I'm telling you right now, if you want an autographed copy of The Quickening, you must not wait any longer.
		It's like the little rattlesnake warning.
		Don't wait.
		If you've been procrastinating, they will ship them immediately.
		They have them in stock, and I'll tell you when that is no longer the case.
		So you can get a first edition autographed copy if you call now 1-800-864-7991.
		That's 1-800-864-7991.
		Now, let's see.
		Here is David once again.
		David, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
		David, let's see.
		What would you think is proper to begin with in terms of trying to give people sort of a beginning idea, those who have not heard it, what reverse speech is?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you know, I did have the fire tape queued up, but let's go before that.
		This is a classic example of what reverse speech is.
		This is a segment taken 10 years ago when I first began my work.
		And I'm saying forwards, I've been suddenly thrust into this role where people come to me and say, David, I want to know what's going on inside my head.
unidentified		Here we go.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I've been suddenly thrust into this role where I have people coming to me and saying, David, I want to know what's going on inside my head.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I think, funny how you're asking me, all I could is play tapes backwards.
unidentified		And I'm done against the sorry.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And where I say forward, all I do is play tapes backwards.
		And you play that section backwards.
		And in reverse, I'm saying, look at that, all I am inside.
		And there's a little bit of difference between the look at that and the all I am inside.
unidentified		So here we go.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I think you can hear that fairly clearly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Point clear, yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		and I'll do that once more.
		And that's a classic example of reverse speech.
		What happens when we taste backwards?
		We see all that we are in sight, which is everything that reverse speech is.
		And it's what we are thinking and feeling at the time of speaking.
		Here's another example.
		This is me in a conversation with a man who later became a good friend of mine.
		And we're talking forwards.
		He's going to give me some photographs that he has taken.
		Okay, I was happy with that one, Act.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I mean, I have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There, I'll give it to you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards he says, pleased to be your friend.
unidentified		Please to be offering that.
unidentified		Please to be offering that.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I think that one's fairly clear, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
		Pleased to be your friend.
		Now, somebody writes, David, every man says, I do at his marriage.
		Have you ever tried reversing that?
unidentified		No, I have not.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		But what an interesting question.
		And that actually brings up a very funny story.
		And my marriage, which I'm now divorced from, that my father married us at, actually, I taped the wedding.
		And I don't have this example on tape.
		I would be a great one to play.
		I taped the wedding and had a very clear reversal on my dad that said this marriage won't work.
		And that was the attitude of my dad as he married us, and he was absolutely correct.
unidentified		So, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your dad married you?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your dad married you, and in reverse, he said, this marriage won't work?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		This marriage will not work, which brings up a whole bunch of questions about what effect does the minister or the pastor have on the wedding.
		So, yeah, and I wish I had that one to play, but I don't.
		Let me move on and just play another.
		I just want to play one controversial example, and then I'm going to move on to the fire tape.
		I actually got legal advice before I played this one.
		I'm just going to play it and present it.
		There's the well-known case from the Ramseys that's currently before the media now.
		And this is Patsy Ramsey on CNN.
		And I'm just going to run it forwards and backwards.
unidentified		All right.
		We feel like there are at least two people on the face of this earth that know who did this.
		And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided in.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		She says there's at least two people who know the killer and someone who that person may have confided in.
		And backwards, we hear her say, I am that person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And once more, and then there's one more reversal.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		She says, seen that rape.
unidentified		Seen that rape.
unidentified		Seen that rape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's clearly said, seen that rape.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		The implications of that one are fairly obvious.
		I don't need to elaborate on it.
		And actually, let me just do one more on Patsy Ramsey, and then we'll move off of this on to a different topic.
		And this is right at the very beginning of her press conference where she introduces herself.
		And see, this is the implications of reverse speech.
		Once every 10 or 15 seconds, as clear as these ones I'm playing you now, the unconscious mind is putting out very clear and precise phrases that are what we are thinking and feeling at the time of speaking.
unidentified		I have to randomly answer.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, she says, and I planned the note.
unidentified		A little bit faint, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's just because I guess I've heard so much of it, but I really more clearly hear the regular speed version.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, you're getting an ear for it, too.
		And yeah, we'll just keep it down to two speeds, I think.
		Crisis, when we get on to the NASA reversal, I've got so many to get through.
		And I just find it fascinating about what you said on the break about the hacker getting in and saying, NASA, reveal the truth, because that's what will happen in a very short time.
unidentified		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let us, for the sake of the new audience, give them a couple of classics.
		Neil Armstrong, for example.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Neil Armstrong's my favorite example.
		It was actually the very first reversal I ever found in human speech back in 1984, and this one actually got me started on my career.
		And here we go with the forward section right now.
unidentified		Whoops.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Sit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Okay.
		That's one small step per man.
		One five leap per man.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And we play that in reverse, and he is saying backwards, man will spacewalk.
unidentified		Man will space wall.
unidentified		Man will space wall.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I'll just run it forward and immediately reverse.
unidentified		That's one small step per man.
unidentified		Man will space wall.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And that's always been my favorite example because it was the very first example I found in speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you once told me that he did not say exactly what he had planned to say when he hit the moon.
unidentified		That is correct.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		He had prepared lines.
		He was supposed to say that's one small step for a man, but he left out the A and said that's one small step for man instead.
		And one of my theories surrounding reverse speech is that the reversals occur in the pauses and mispronunciations of speech.
		And if you ever listen to someone talk for any long period of time, you'll hear the speech is full of pauses and stutters and tonal shifts.
		And my entire theory states that it's these very inconsistencies of speech that allow speech reversals to occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, let's change our plans a little bit.
		I want to do the fire reversals or the fire tape, I guess it is, after midnight.
		Let's continue to give everybody an idea of what it's about.
		And so give me a couple of, first give me a couple of classic baby reverse speeches, and then give me some of the newer baby reverse speeches that you've got.
		Now, everybody should know that children, apparently, before they can talk at all in a forward direction, produce reverse speech that is coherent, that really says something.
		This will amaze you.
		Listen very, very carefully.
		Give me a few of the classics first.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is an example where I just moved my daughter from one room to another.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And that little sound, Mima Maida, reverses to, I now come here.
unidentified		Oh, God.
unidentified		I love that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to do that again from the beginning.
		This, folks, is baby gibberish, boo-goo-boo-boo type thing.
		And you wouldn't think it would mean anything.
		But what this suggests, I suppose, is that children are able to express thoughts in reverse, in intelligent speech, before they can speak coherently in the forward direction.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That is exactly what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that suggest, by the way, about the brain, to you?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I think the brain is operating, the brain is constructing speech backwards, obviously before it does forwards, but it shows that the human brain is far more complex than what we've ever dreamed of.
		I think intelligent functions are beginning from a very, very early age.
		And I mean, when you just consider the mental contortions necessary to form language, both forwards and backwards, it just gives you some idea of the power of the human mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do that one again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here it is, forwards.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, I now come here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is so clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, these things are just amazing.
		And it's interesting because children's reversals are actually the clearest ones of all.
		And as we get older, the clarity drops off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that is?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I really don't know why.
		I think, well, part of the...
		And when we're young and innocent, we have not yet been corrupted.
		And as we get older, we learn to adopt the ways of the world.
		And the forward speech begins, and the conscious mind begins to function, and that suppresses the unconscious mind, which is where reverse speech is coming from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody should know this is done with a regular old tape recorder, just running forward, recording something, and then at the same speed, reversing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question for you, David.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the years, have you become, has your ear become good enough that you can actually know when a reverse speech would be the right word, right there, when it has occurred?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as you listen to somebody forward.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've pretty much become accustomed to it.
		I can certainly recognize where they are occurring.
		I've learned to, I think my intuition has become far sharper over the years.
		And you can recognize the tonality, the different tonal shifts, and what one tone means as opposed to another.
		And I'm a certified hypnotherapist, and there are instances of people under deep hypnosis where you can actually program the mind for them to hear reversals on a conscious level and to actually hear them as they are occurring in speech.
		And then you're getting very close to real mind reading.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, kids say the darndest thing backwards.
		Darndest stuff.
		So you remember the one where you had the recorder in front of your child's face?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You want that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		Okay, we'll just get that up.
		And, yeah, the deal was I was chasing her around the room with a tape player, and she suddenly reached out for it, and she saw it and reached out to grab it.
		Classic baby sound, and backwards she says, what's that?
		Very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And let me run it forwards and backwards.
		And listen to the forward sound.
		She says, aga.
		But when you reverse it, where has the G gone?
		When you're running tapes in reverse, the whole phonetic structure changes all together.
		And you can't look at a written text and look at the letters and say, well, that's what it's going to say backwards, just by what the forwards is.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything you would put in front of a baby's face, that's exactly what they would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Baby wonder, you know, at the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there is another, which I can't recall, my favorite, one of my favorites.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Probably the one where she's in the bath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		She mentions my name.
		Okay, we'll pull that one up too.
		And she's in the bar trying to reach out and pick up the cup and she can't do it.
		So she reaches out to me for help.
unidentified		She's in the bar.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, she says, David, help me.
		And the interesting thing is she actually mentions my name, and that's one of the great things about reverse speech is you get names of people and places and towns in reverse, which is fantastic for finding out information.
		It just leaves the lie detector for dead.
		Here we go.
		David, help me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have always heard in that, David, help me something David.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I hear a second David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know what?
		I actually cast it off before I go that far.
		Let's have a listen to you.
unidentified		Where is it?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, where did you hear that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right at the end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right at the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't a full David, but it sounded like another David to me.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can hear what you're hearing, yeah.
		See, I wouldn't.
		Okay.
		See, I wouldn't document that.
		I have very strict pros to goals for what is a genuine reversal and what is not.
		In my classes, I tell all my students to make sure that every letter is there, every syllable is there, every vowel sound is there.
		One of the criticisms thrown at reverse speech is that, well, you're just imagining or projecting into the gibberish.
		And so I have such very strict requirements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when we get into adult reverse speech, though, that theory gets blown away because consistently, and everybody's got to think about this, the reversals are exactly trailing along with the content of what is being said forward.
		In other words, they are revealing either of the truth or a lie, but in some way it relates to what's being said forward.
		That cannot be an accident.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		There's just no way.
		You know, I'm communicating with a chat by email right now, and this man's been studying reverse phonology, would you believe, for quite some time.
		And one of the arguments he's thrown back at me is this is coincidence.
		Coincidence.
		And then I say to that, well, what are the odds on this?
		I mean, you look at this.
		You've got intelligent, grammatically correct sentences occurring every 10 seconds of speech that have direct relationship to the forward dialogue.
		I mean, you know, there's no way you can say that's a coincidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, David.
		Hang tough.
		We're going to come back to you after the top of the hour.
		You've got a good portion of time to relax.
		I've got a little bit of work to do here.
		And then when we come back, look out because there's some pretty heavy stuff coming.
		NASA, Victor, and more.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, everybody.
		It's great to be here.
		I'm R. Bell.
		David John Oates is my guest.
		He is the originator and the master of reverse speech, that said by the brain that is captured on tape in the forward direction, revealed in an eerie kind of way many times, in reverse, but quite legible.
		You be the judge.
		What you're about to hear as we proceed in this hour is I had guests, Ray Villard and Don Savage from NASA.
		Now, David has spent hours poring over those tapes and as well the tapes of Victor.
		Both of them he describes as extremely interesting and controversial.
		And so I have not heard them.
		I'll tell you right up front.
		I have not heard them.
		So I'll be hearing them with you in a moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Back now or back in a moment to David John O'S.
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		The number to call is 1-800-864-7991.
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		Now, we have described it to you before, but there was a fire at Reverse Speech, to be frank.
		The building was burned to the ground.
		And David later discovered, interestingly, a tape.
		A tape.
		A tape that was running while the fire was burning.
		And David, I'll let you tell them about it.
		Let's go to that and find out exactly what occurred.
		What was on that tape that surprised you?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, what surprised me primarily was the fact that after everyone was out of the house, there was at least one person, probably two people, still in the house, ruffling through filing cabinets, opening drawers.
		The amazing thing is, I don't know how they were in there unless they were wearing fire-breathing equipment, because within three minutes, anyone in there would have choked, but they were in there for 15 minutes.
		So I want to play just one section of that, but before I do that, I want to play probably what is one of the most stunning reversals I have found in my career, and that is right at the time the fire broke out.
		And I'm going to play this tape now.
		You'll hear me in session with a client.
		And then my secretary suddenly runs into the room and says, David, the house is on fire.
unidentified		The sense of the plant changes.
		The sense of what?
		Yes!
		What?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, when we run that in reverse, I mean, you can hear the emotion in her voice.
		It's extremely obvious.
		And when you run that backwards, she says, the house is on fire.
		Our house is on fire.
		Almost exactly the same thing, backwards and forwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god, that's perfectly clear, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Perfectly clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I'll play it again and you'll hear me say no, no.
unidentified		We're out of the way!
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Amazing reversal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll just run it forwards and backwards.
		Here it is, forwards.
		And backwards.
unidentified		No!
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Stunning reversal.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And obviously, she wasn't lying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, our house was on fire.
		She was trying to communicate that as best as she could.
		Now, I'm just going to play one other section.
		A lot of the filing cabinets being shuffled is very difficult to hear primarily because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before you...
		It says, Dear Art, get real.
		How can there really be words in reverse?
		Does this mean that everything that I was taught about music when I was little is true?
		I want to believe.
		I can hear it, but I can't believe it.
		Keep up the good work, Art.
		So how do you answer it here?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I answer that very simply.
		The fact that the brain is capable of reversing functions is well documented.
		Dyslexia, for example, is a condition where the brain reverses the sounds of words.
		Sight is reversed by the lenses of the eyes before it's processed by the human mind.
		What I'm saying is not out of keeping with many accepted theories of the way the human mind functions.
		And all one has to do is look, is just look at the evidence I have compiled.
		And it's like when any new discovery comes into our society, it takes us by surprise.
		Like the world is round or man can fly.
		We're just not conditioned to it.
		But I don't know how anyone, once they've heard the examples and looked at my 14 years of research, can even possibly deny this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm also getting a raft of requests for you to repeat the Ramsey reversals.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Ah, very controversial ones.
		I've got a whole bunch of them.
		Incidentally, anyone can go to my website at www.reverspeech.com.
		That's www.reversespeech.com.
		I have the entire Ramsey transcript there, plus the NASA reversal that I'll be playing very soon.
		Also, you can call my office at 1-800-669-5789 to get a copy of any of these tapes or my book that goes into all of these details.
		So, all right, let's put some of those Ramsey ones up again.
		This is the first one I played, and it's in her CENN interview, as she's saying, as she's looking for people who knew who did the crime.
unidentified		We feel like there are at least two people on the face of this earth that know who did this.
unidentified		And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided in.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, I am that person.
unidentified		Why did it notice it?
unidentified		Why did it notice it?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And again, she says, seen that rape.
unidentified		Seen that marriage.
unidentified		Seen that marriage.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Fairly clear and fairly obvious reversal.
		And here's the one where she, the other one I played, where she says in reverse, I plan the note.
		And I'm just probably excuse me, the slight delay just takes a little while in putting these files up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David's got a faster computer.
		In fact, you're ahead of me.
		You've got a 200 megahertz now, don't you?
unidentified		Right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, I was forced into that because two weeks after the fire, we had a hacker get into my system and got all my records and files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I just decided to go full bore, and I've got firewalls on there and all sorts of things, and now I can get into it now.
		And backwards, I planned the note.
		There you go.
		And that's that one.
		And there's a whole bunch of them.
		And you can go and listen to them all on my website.
		Actually, let me just play one more.
		This is on John Ramsey.
		This reversal actually sent chills down my spine.
		He just finished talking forwards about a little girl who he was corresponding with about the death of John Bonet.
		One of the things about reverse speech is that what we say in forward speech will frequently prompt reversals immediately after revealing unconscious patterns.
unidentified		Perhaps differently than you would expect in believing that there really is a lot of goodness in the world.
unidentified		And that's been an outcome that I think we certainly wouldn't have anticipated with this time.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, he says, nice, nice little girl, let me look, let me nurse you, you get down on my fire.
		And there's a little bit of difference before the nice little girl and let me look.
		Nice little girl, let me look, let me nurse you, you get down on my fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's hear it.
unidentified		Nice sickle says, hello, my fire.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Extremely clear reversal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, it is.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And as I say, once every 10 seconds of speech, I keep on saying that over and over again, but it's just the reality of the situation.
		And I personally believe that once this technology is accepted, it will cause monumental shockwaves throughout society because it means that the human mind is no longer private.
		And all the secrets that we have been trying to find for decades, certainly ever since the tape recorder has been invented, is now available for anyone to come and hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, David, are you surprised that they tried to burn you up?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm not anymore.
		No, I really wasn't.
		Well, I was surprised at the time.
		I mean, I came to America very naive, I must admit.
		I kind of figured everyone will be thrilled to bits about this.
		But I've begun to see that people have a strong invested interest on keeping their secrets hidden, and any technology that reveals that has got to be extremely threatening to the power structures.
		I can't see how our society can survive unless we come to a state of truth and honesty and congruity.
		But, you know, maybe that's just my naivety.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want you to be safe, and I'm not sure you're safe doing this.
		I'm really not sure you're safe doing this.
		And I mean, that's obvious as a result of the fire.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right, that is obvious.
		I'm aware of that.
		And quite frankly, I need help.
		I get a lot of people who support me and emails continuously wishing me luck and keeping me going, but I need more than that.
		If people want this technology to survive and to last, people have got to get trained.
		People have got to start using it and rally a round.
		This is just such an incredible technology.
		The implications of it are just world sharing.
		We have correspondence courses available if people want to get in to this and learn it for themselves.
		The more people who do this and the more public I become, the safer I think I become.
		And I think we've already reached that stage now where there's enough people who can use this technology.
		I'm known well enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but David, you had been on my program nationwide exposure, I don't know what, two or three times at least prior to the fire.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I had been several times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're aware you're doing...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Political reversals?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's just hard to tell.
		I think they're all dangerous, you know.
		I mean, certainly the ones I did on HA Simply got me some flack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know one I want you to play for me.
		Yeah.
		Clinton.
		Clinton and the Kiss.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Let me see if I can find that.
		And once we do that, I will start to play the reversals that will also get me into trouble, and that's the one on NASA.
unidentified		I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		These reversals are going to blow you out, quite frankly.
		I've just been so excited and hyped up waiting to play these ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, they're dying, too, so they're probably all sitting out there saying, come on, get to it, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll do the Clinton kiss.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		He's been asked a question by someone about how does he avoid being compromised in office?
unidentified		Give you money or give you services in your campaigns.
		Well, I try to articulate my positions as clearly as possible.
		Tell people what I stand for and let them decide whether they're going to support me or not.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Where he says, I like to articulate my position as clearly as possible.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'll just say that section.
unidentified		Well, I try to articulate my positions as clearly as possible.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, she's a nice girl.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, she's a fun girl to kiss.
unidentified		She's a fun delicious.
		This is the fun delete.
		It's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, that's one of my favorites.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You always ask me for the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm wondering what category would be the most dangerous?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In murder cases, obviously, you're running a risk.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's reversals that won't play on the air, quite frankly, because they're just too hot.
		But, like, you know, what's really going on in the Republican Party?
		What's their ulterior motives?
		We found some reversals in class last year on Newt Gingrich that turned all of us green and had a couple of students leave.
		They couldn't continue doing reverse speech anymore because it was just too strong.
		These people were very strong Republicans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too hard to handle.
		No, I understand.
		I understand.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I've been doing this for 14 years and some of the things that I find, I have difficulty believing myself because we've just been programmed to, we are presented with an image of how our society is, and we've been brought up with that from birth.
		But what we see on the surface is just an inkling of what's really going on underneath and the power players and political backdoor negotiations.
		And that's probably the most dangerous stuff.
		And that stuff I haven't played publicly at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm only a very casual listener to all of this, neophyte with all of this, but I'm getting a little better.
		And what I've started to learn is reverse speech seems to occur in pauses and in little sounds that almost don't make sense going forward, injected with what does make sense, of little glitchy areas of a conversation.
		All right.
		The reason I ask that question is because with your speech impediment, when you stutter, how does that come out in reverse?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, a very good question because my actual stutter itself does not contain reversals.
		My natural, you know, the normal stutters I have every day do, but when I actually get into my stutter that's caused by the physical problem on my tongue, there are no reversals on that.
		And I do not know why that is so.
		So there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had to ask.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
		Okay.
		Well, where should we go?
		Move on to NASA?
unidentified		Are we ready to do that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		No, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's in the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		All right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me do some new one on kids.
unidentified		Oh, good.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got some new ones people have never heard on children.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, these are some great ones.
		And the ones I'm playing to you were found by the students in my latest class.
		So these were found, I put out in homework for children, for people to find reversals on kids.
		So these were found by brand new Gradge, by brand new reverse speech students.
unidentified		You see now in my window, we are going to say.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, it says, our mummy's suite.
unidentified		And my sweet.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that cute?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's cute and very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very, very clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just a wonderful reversal.
		And here's another one coming up.
		This is on The same kid, and in this one, he's talking about his dad, but not what you would expect.
		and we're going to run that forward now.
unidentified		Say no, Sandy.
unidentified		No, Sandy.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, he says, we need that home.
unidentified		We need that home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, I've got to ask again, because here it is again.
		I just don't understand this.
		When you do babies, when you do children, we get this eerie, ethereal, weird sound that comes from it that just, you know, and people are going to suggest that the ethereal sound comes from the fact that you're in a bathroom, you're getting an echo.
		But it just ain't so.
		Because I've heard you do adults in echoey rooms, and you don't get that same sound.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's just something about the language construction of kids that I don't understand myself.
		And hopefully when the academic community finally begin to take my work seriously, they'll be able to come up with an answer for that very thing, you know.
		So here's one that someone emailed me, and I actually just got this one this week, and it's a kid who's getting his diaper changed.
unidentified		Kathy, I got a diaper for you.
		A diaper.
		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And where the baby says a diaper in this.
unidentified		A diaper.
unidentified		Oh, oh.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, that was the forwards diaper.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, it's help me out.
unidentified		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Jesus.
unidentified		Isn't that amazing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's so amazing.
		I want to hear it again.
		Do it again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here it is, forwards and backwards.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		A diaper, followed by help me out.
unidentified		Backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is so queer.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that amazing?
		A little kid wants his diaper change.
		Here it is.
unidentified		Amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Help me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that doesn't rock people back in their chair, then they're just not listening, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there more children to go through?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I've got a few more here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then we'll do those then.
		We'll do NASA.
		You know, it always pays to keep them hanging, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, as you can hear, I'm on the edge of my seats of playies once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you are.
		I know you are.
		Everybody, hold tight.
		This is CBC.
unidentified		When it's all right and it's coming up, we gotta get right back.
		We're with the song.
		Love is good.
		Love is good.
		We gotta get it right.
		We'll be right back.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody who sent me an email saying, if the end is coming, of what possible value or interest would an autographed copy of your book be?
		It is a point well taken, actually.
		Except that no man shall know the day, and that includes me.
		So you never know.
		You never know.
		You can get an autographed copy of the cricketing for however long that value lasts by calling - 800-864-7991.
		1-800-864-7991.
		Lots of people with a sense of humor out there, David?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it really is true when you think about it, except that.
		For whatever time's left, why, you never know.
		It may become valuable, or maybe it'll be worth nothing.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, just to hold it in your hand would be worth it, I would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, all right, we've got a couple of more kids, and then it's off to NASA.
unidentified		Okay.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Claire Rowling.
		And this one is actually at three months of age.
		And I used to say your children started at four months, but this sort of breaks that theory.
		And backwards, you'll hear a little bit of gibberish, and right at the end, the kid says, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Isn't that amazing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me just do that again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		The gibberish and then the hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Wow.
		Isn't that amazing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's amazing.
		That's absolutely amazing.
		And that's at three months.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's at three months of age.
		And previously, I hadn't found anything until four months of age.
		So that kind of throws my theory on the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to use my favorite expression, yikes.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and here's another one.
		This is the same kid who had the diaper problem.
		And I think I actually don't know the circumstance behind this, but I presume his pants weren't staying up because something broke or something.
unidentified		I'm not crying, baby.
		You are.
		That's crying, baby.
		Yeah, you're a very, you're a not crying baby.
		You're a happy baby.
		You're a baby whose pants are going to stay up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good forward.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		But backwards, he says, it broke, mom.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It broke, mommy.
unidentified		It broke, we're loose.
		It broke, we're loose.
		Hear that?
		It broke, mommy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes.
unidentified		So there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are wonderful.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I love kids, you know, and people are finding these just on the simple reversing machines that we have at our office.
		So, you know, if anyone wants to get into their kids, I can't think of a better way, quite frankly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To learn what your child is thinking even before it says so forward?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I wonder if in all cases that would be good.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, my whole approach is we must find and understand the truth and become congruent because we have been shutting ourselves off from what's going on both with our kids and our friends and our society for too long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We must change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We must change.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's my message.
		If I had a message, that's the message.
		At the time, the truth is here.
		We cannot grow and advance as a society.
		Our kids cannot grow to become healthy individual beings unless we can see what's happening as they begin to grow up.
		Certainly that's what I've done with my kids.
		I've been analysing them since they were born.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I am more than ready for this.
		I've got to tell you, these NASA tapes were some of the most amazing.
		I just had, it was the most incredible experience I had doing this.
		And I'd like to thank my current class of students because they were heavily involved in all of this.
		We actually had business as a group project this weekend.
		They were involved particularly in the section around the face of Mars, which I'll get on to as we move along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess as background, everybody should understand that for years now, I have been interviewing Richard Hoagland and others who have talked about the phase on Mars, the missions to Mars, NASA generally.
		And finally, NASA sent me a letter and requested to come on the program with two of their public relations people, one for the Hubble Telescope and one for NASA itself.
		The two gentlemen, Ray Villard and Don Savage, spent three hours on the air with me, and we asked them some very, I would say, fair but difficult questions based on these years that we've been doing shows that accused NASA of cover-up and all the rest of it.
		And so they were responding to all of that.
		And of course, we taped it.
		And of course, we sent David good quality tapes of that interview.
		And so what you're about to hear is the result of the backwards speech research on NASA.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now I've got a lot of reversals to get through, so we're going to move through these fairly fast.
		I presume that one of the chaps, Ray, was a little bit more than the public relations officer by his very first reversal.
		We're run by a consortium of universities, and we're based at the Johns Hopkins University.
		And the primary goal of my office is to put out the latest findings from Hubble.
		And backwards, he says, I am the Lord.
unidentified		I am the Lord.
		I am Lord.
		I am Lord.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I think that one's fairly clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am the Lord, yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I am the Lord, which tells us he's a little bit more than just a public relations officer.
		So they sent you some heavy guns.
		And then this next reversal really sets the theme for the entire NASA transcript.
		The selection on who gets to use Hubble is made by committees, peer-reviewed committees of other astronomers who come to Baltimore, meet at the Institute.
		They sort through the proposals, make their recommendations to our director.
		Now, I'd like to know what proposals they're really sorting through, because this reversal says what's locked up with their starship.
		This needs to be known.
unidentified		This needs to be known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, oh, my God.
		I'm sorry to keep interrupting.
		I can't help the reaction.
		That was so clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You wait till I get to the ones around the face on Mars.
		What's locked up with their starship?
		This needs to be known.
		No kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's clear, but just give it to me at regular reverse speed.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
unidentified		God, that's clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exceptionally clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness, that's clear.
		And again, again, ladies and gentlemen, this points out, if you are in doubt or sitting out there going, what a bunch of BS, you better keep listening to the congruence between forward and reverse speech.
		In other words, you would expect if it was a 100-monkey theory, that you might get legible things in reverse, but they would not relate to what's being said forward.
		And again, here we have a tremendous example of congruence in both directions, if not consistency.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And I want to point out there that the guy's asking a question.
		And a lot of these reversals in here are questions.
		They know a whole bunch of stuff, and they are wanting answers to these.
		So let's move right along.
		It's millions of miles away.
		If you do a little geometry, you figure out that that's way below even Hubble's resolution limits.
		And Hubble never truly resolves a nucleus.
		Okay, and this reversal says they've known the shield was up.
		I'm not too sure what that means, but they've known the shield was up.
unidentified		The minimum shield was up.
unidentified		The minimum shield was up.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And again.
		And you like it at normal speed.
		Just do it again at normal speed.
		There we go.
		And there's that one.
		Now this next one had all of the class of jaws dropping wide open.
		They're talking about Venus, okay?
		And I wasn't going to play this one until the end, but I'm in the flow, so we'll just play it.
unidentified		Oh, you do.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We did this only once before as an experiment.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We looked at Venus, which of course is very close to the sun.
unidentified		And it just wasn't deemed that important.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And also, as had been alluded to, This had my head spinning.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It says in a verse, there's ships in Eden, buildings and Americans there.
unidentified		There's the thing, there's the building in America, it's there.
unidentified		There's the thing, there's the building in America, it's there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course I heard it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Then there's another one that says, don't mess Eden.
unidentified		Don't mess Eden.
unidentified		Don't mess Eden.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
		And he's talking about Venus.
		Let me do that the first one once more time.
		There's ships in Eden, buildings and Americans there.
unidentified		This is the thing.
unidentified		It's building Americans there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, that's clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		I want to know what's going on on Venus, quite frankly.
		I didn't think we had anything going on there.
		I don't pretend to have the answers on some of these.
		And we'll talk more as time goes on.
		And here he is, they're talking about, you ask him, are Hubble's pictures deliberately degraded?
		I can't imagine any reason why one would want to go out of their way to do that.
		These pictures are worked on very hard by Dr. Weaver.
		This one just simply says they need to deal with it.
unidentified		They have to deal with it.
		They need to deal with it.
		They have to deal with it.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my gosh.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I told you, Art, these are some of the clearest reversals I have found.
		You wait till we get to Victor.
		He's amazing.
		You asked lots of questions about life.
		Is there life out there?
		And they were sort of edging around it a little bit.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, if you do the math, the probability is very high, almost 100%, that there is life out there and a very good chance that there's intelligent life somewhere else.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Backwards, it's very simply there is life.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Merriest life.
unidentified		Merriot.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And that's fairly clear, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please do it again at regular speed.
unidentified		Okay.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Merriest life.
unidentified		Okay.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		There is life.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's as simple as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is becoming undeniable.
		I mean, it's just flat undeniable.
		I want to ask you to be absolutely honest with me.
		If you don't mind, David, it's a hard question, but it goes to the heart of what we're talking about right now.
		As you do research, say, on a three-hour program like this, where you've got a lot of material, how many apparent reversals do you find that are not congruent either as a lie or confirming a truth?
		How many reversals of that kind do you find?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, to be honest, I really don't find any.
		I do find reversals that sometimes are not in contact with what they're saying at that particular time, but then they'll talk about that topic a half an hour later.
		So I just don't find them.
		Not on this one.
		Occasionally you find them.
		I didn't find them on this particular one, though.
		But I would say 90% of all the reversals, probably more than that, 95% have direct relationship, if not to what's been spoken at that particular time, to a topic that comes up 10 or 15, 20 minutes later.
		Now, there are some reversals that are metaphoric in their context.
		They will use bizarre words like the wolf is running in the Garden of Eden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are harder for the audience.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right, and I don't play those ones on the air usually.
		Victor's got a few of those that actually do make sense.
		I'm going to play a couple of those when I get to him.
		Those ones I tend not to play because they get a bit obscure.
		But see, it's really the convincer for me about this whole technology, quite frankly, is that the reversals relate directly to what's being spoken forward.
		And that is so in practically every case.
		There are the exceptions, as I said, but they are rare exceptions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, if you don't mind, key up the last one you did again.
		It's so significant, David.
		There is life.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it to me forward and reverse, please.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I just need to pull that up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm throwing you for a loop before.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's fine.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		No, that's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I realize how important that one is.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay, here's the reversal.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Marius fighting.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And again, there is, and do you actually hear the one R, the one I play after this one, Mario Fighting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one is so important, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Here's a bit slower to beat.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Marius Fife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and what was he saying?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was actually discussing life.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Edgie, would you help me run these forwards again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, please.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, if you do the math, the probability is very high, almost 100%, that there is life out there and a very good chance that there's intelligent life somewhere out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a statement to make.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you saying there's a probability?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In reverse, it's a certainty.
unidentified		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Exactly correct.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what else to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, please continue.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and okay, the next one, he expands the theme of life a little bit more.
		And I'm still warming up here.
		It gets better and better as the tape goes on.
		And you can imagine me doing the reversals.
		I was just shocked.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And anyway, they ran the gamut from, you know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this one, let me introduce this.
		They're talking about the Brookings report.
		And part of the recommendation of the Brookings report was that it wouldn't be good for the general population to know that there is life.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Ran the gamut from, you know, disruptions that certainly in some societies and cultures would react more strongly than others.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And then at the other end of the scale, it could possibly bring the world together in a new unity.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And this one is a little bit obscure.
		It says, lift the wax with the new life in it.
		I don't know what wax is, but I think this is probably a metaphor for, you know, we've got to see it.
		Take the veil off, but it could mean something else.
		But lift the wax with the new life in it.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Lift the way X with the Nervace in it.
unidentified		Lift the way X with the Nervace in it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And you can hear that one okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear it fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I know what it means.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a little bit obscure, but I thought I would play it anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're dealing here, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, with things in reverse that are discussing literally a technology and a knowledge that we are not familiar with, so I'm not surprised that they are Saying things that are clear, but that we don't fully understand.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And some of the reversals had me puzzled.
		There's some technical terms, and I'll play, you know, I will play those ones that I don't know what they mean, but I'm sure some of your listeners out there who have technical scientific background is going to know exactly what these mean.
		And here's one talking about the reception of intelligent radio signals.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		In the past, patterns have been found, and then they determined later on that these were actually from natural phenomenon leading to, in fact, some very interesting astronomical discoveries.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And Baptist he says they must admit.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Namurst admirit.
unidentified		Namurst admit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear that one, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, did I ever hear that one okay?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they must admit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They must admit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's obvious.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Namurst admit.
unidentified		Oh, my.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I'm hoping that this broadcast is going to get some people to admit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And here we have an interesting one that actually doesn't directly relate to what he's saying forwards at this particular time, but it leads up to the reversals on the face on Mars.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the reason that they would have that proprietary period of, in some cases, six months to a year.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		I think a year is the longest they've ever heard.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And it says, fly by the weapon.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hear that one okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fly by the weapon.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Fly by the weapon.
		And here's an interesting one that I really, and I don't pretend to have answers to all of these, but you asked him about anti-matter cloud.
		A rumor about an anti-matter cloud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you referring to what some are calling an anti-matter cloud?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a different thing.
		Now, this was a burst we think from very far away.
		And Bankruptcy says, I'm afraid of that.
		Afraid it's the one.
		A little bit unclear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, it's the one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry, David, David, David, I'm sorry, I messed up your...
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to learn to keep my mouth shut.
		I sit here mind-blown at what I'm hearing, and so I tend to obscure the second one you're on.
		Do it again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		All right, um, you're afraid to step on?
unidentified		You're afraid to step on?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, he's afraid.
		He's afraid that what's the one?
		Is this an anti-matter cloud or is this what?
		And so you've got to realize with reversals, you're actually getting footnotes from the unconscious is probably a far better term than the total truth.
		You just get little snippets of thoughts here and there, you know, and you've really got to put the whole picture together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, for example, he was commenting on this cloud or whatever it was, this burst of energy.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in reverse, he wasn't really necessarily certain what it was, but you could hear how concerned about it he was.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Exactly correct.
		Exactly correct.
		And this is interesting because there's a reversal right at the very end of the tape, a few reversals away, about he's talking about something he's not too sure what it is.
		So I'll just remind you of that one.
		And here he is talking about Europa and life on Europa and the missions being cancelled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two proposals to go to Europa did not make the cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me tell you what this was all about.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Sometime last year, in the middle of last year, there was a proposal or request for proposals that NASA sent out, which we do periodically for various spacecraft programs.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And, okay, now he's obviously upset Europa was canceled.
		And he says in reverse, why Mess the Scientist was awful.
		It shocked you all.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mr. Phantom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, David, I'll hold it right there, and that is a good place to hold it.
		And we will be right back.
		David John Oates is my guest.
		You're listening to Reverse Speech.
unidentified		Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is clearly some of the most dramatic reverse speech we've ever heard.
		Boy, is this something.
		We're doing reversals on the two gentlemen from NASA who were guests on my program, Ray Villard and Don Savage.
		Yet to come, more NASA, and then the mysterious Victor.
		You remember Victor with the voice changer?
		Well, we've got the reversals and their hair raising.
		All that coming up with David Jonos.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The 1050 call and get it on the way.
		We have a studio cam going.
		Better yet, tonight, we've got two studio cams going with a video sequencer.
		Thanks to Bob Crane.
		Thank you, Bob Crane.
		And you will see two views, one of me forward of my face, and then occasionally it will sequence to the back camera, which takes a shot of my console and the broadcast equipment, all the rest of that.
		Or perhaps off to the side.
		So there you have it.
		If you want to go to my website and take a look, It's www.artbell.com.
		And look in the new area.
		It will say Live Studio Cam.
		That should now be plural.
		And take a look, and you'll see me sitting here doing a radio program for whatever that is worth.
		All right.
		Now, if you don't have a computer and you don't want a computer, but you want to be able to get on the web to be able to do this sort of thing, then what you need and what you should want is web TV.
		Please listen closely.
unidentified		Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's 1-800-659-2669.
		Remember, everybody, you don't need a computer.
		It's just a little box that sits up on top of your television set.
		It's absolutely amazing.
		And you're on the web just like that.
		All right.
		David Oates, back on the air again.
		David?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are amazing reversals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can only imagine, as you were going through these, you must have had your mind blown.
unidentified		I certainly did.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It completely amazed me.
		And to be frank, I had to, at one stage, I was actually questioning myself about reverse speech even.
		You know, can this stuff be real?
		Especially when we get to the face on Mars.
		But, you know, after 14 years, I have grown to completely and utterly and totally trust the information I find in reverse speech.
		It just hasn't yet proven itself to be wrong.
		So my worldview has been changed dramatically for this tape, quite frankly.
		So let's continue.
		We'll just replay that one about the scientist, okay?
		About the Europe permission.
		Why mess with the scientist?
unidentified		Was awful.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It shocked you all.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		I've missed the scientist.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Why mess the scientists, I'm saying?
unidentified		I've missed the scientists.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And of course, you've got scientists backwards, and he's talking about scientists forwards, so you've got that direct complementarity again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		This guy obviously was upset about the Europa mission being cancelled, and here's another one talking about Europa outside of the Earth.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Of course, we look at Mars and we look at Europa.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And with this refund excitement about Europa, and then, of course, these two missions that were proposed that weren't selected, I think that there was some disappointment.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And disappointment is correct.
		And backwards, he says, a shame we see something in it.
		Yeah, I think that's fairly clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, painfully clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and once more.
		Yeah, it's a shame the mission was cancelled.
		Why?
		Because there's something there.
		I mean, it's as simple as that.
		I don't know how else to explain it.
		News reversals are exceptionally clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a fascinating one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can almost visually see, if I can look back in Manhattan in remote view, I think Richard Hoagland is doing handstands.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, handstands.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, this one, now Richard Hogan will probably like this one.
		This is about the, you asked him, you asked, why has man not stepped onto the moon again?
don savage ▲ ● ▼		We certainly are very enthusiastic about exploring space and want to get back out there and certainly look forward to getting the International Space Station up and running and hope that that could lead to exploration of the moon and Mars.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And he says in reverse, heard they had this warning.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		They've got this warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six after warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say that again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Heard they had this warning.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And actually, the heard is not as clear as I thought it was.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Six after warning.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And what warning?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heard they had this warning.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And okay.
		And here's an amusing one.
		This is, you asked him about the MIA space station, and I was in fits of laughter when I found this one.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		What I've heard was they did have a couple of situations of, I think, a leak in a coolant system.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And in reverse, he says, he talked forward about the leak in the coolant system and backwards.
		He says, shows this old bucket.
		Oshelle Wish to sell a fucking.
unidentified		Ocean wish to sell a fucking.
unidentified		I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that hilarious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Spirit is forwards and backwards.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Coolant system.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oshawis to sell a fucking.
unidentified		I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Reverse speech is amazing sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you guys listening down in Houston?
unidentified		I'm sure they are.
unidentified		I'm sure they are.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I would love to see the expression on their faces right now.
		Okay, let's move on to the face on Mars.
		And just before I do, I've just gotten three emails, people wanting my phone number again.
		So let me get that out.
		It's 1-800-669-5789.
		Sorry, yeah, 800-669-5789.
		So there we go.
		Okay, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't just give out a phone number without telling them what they get at that number.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, why should they have that number?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they want to get hold of the reversing machines, for example, so you can find these reversals yourself.
		As far as I'm aware, we're the only place in the world that sells equipment to locate reversals.
		Also, my book is fascinating reading.
		It goes right into the theories, the reverse speech, the technical tests I've done, reversals on politicians.
		And the latest thing is the correspondence course, which we only just released two months ago that is doing exceptionally well.
		It might sound easy on the air when I play these reversals.
		You know, you can think you can just run a tape back and find it, but there is a lot of training necessary to learn how to do this accurately.
		And we've just released a correspondence course that people can take and learn this technology themselves.
		You know, and for tape analysis work and tapes, I mean, there's tapes you can purchase.
		Well, you can purchase these tapes of the NASA reversals, I guess, and Ramseys and Rift machines and there we go, the whole lot, just to get in contact with us.
		And I would love if there's any academic institution out there who wants to conduct some independent tests of their own, I would love to hear from you.
		I'm looking for as much academic support and endorsement of this work as I possibly can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So let's move on to Mars.
		The face on Mars.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Well, the scientific position, I guess, is that we have a very limited data set.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		We've got, I think, about nine images from the Viking era, which was the Viking missions were orbiting and also two landers, but two orbiters of Mars from that.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you're talking about the Viking missions, right?
		This reversal had me off my seat.
		I heard it immediately first shot.
		Mars, set this ray gun.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Mars, that's this a gunnet.
unidentified		Mars, that's this a gunnet.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And you can hear that one okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite clearly.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Mars, that's this a gunnet.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Now what on earth does that mean?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I've got other reversals that say they were warned away from approaching the face on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh really?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And you know, there's rumors that the Viking probe was shot down.
		I don't know whether that's true or not, but we have some very pointed reversals and coming up as to what they're doing when they're going back there.
		And some of this, when I come onto with, has some independent confirmation for this week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excited, David, David.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you're doing these, I know it's a long, arduous process.
		Are you sure that you don't enter it and proceed in the project with a bias that you form?
		In other words, you hear a couple of reversals.
		They seem to be not congruent with, for example, the NASA diet.
		These are terrible.
		And so are you sure that you don't reject the ones that show congruence and begin to form your own bias and then pick the ones that show incongruence?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's obviously a very good question.
		And there is, you know, and obviously like all people, I do have some bias when I approach my work.
		I document everything that I find, whether it agrees with my position or not.
		There could be an argument said that if something doesn't personally agree with my belief system, I may not hear that.
		That's a valid argument that one could put forward.
		But the space on Mars reversals, in order to overcome my bias, I did this in front of the whole class.
		We did this on, we had about, I think, 15 students on the weekend analysing this tape.
		So we had many different point of views.
		And the bias I had approaching the Mars project, quite frankly, was, well, you know, this was that, well, when I first heard the Mars Set This Ray Gun, I, quite frankly, didn't believe it.
		I could not believe what I was hearing.
		And I questioned myself, this is crazy, what can this be?
		And I was shocked by it.
		So if I had a bias on the Mars one, it was, I don't believe this.
		I don't want to play this publicly because I just don't.
		It's not something that I've tried to present my technology in a neutral manner in my previous programs.
		You'll recall I played reversals at least controversially as possible because I don't want to get involved in UFO conspiracy theories, even though it's a field I'm interested in, or UFOs as such.
		But that's the best way I can answer the question.
		Obviously, there is a bias, and as much as that has stopped me from hearing reversals that contradict my belief system, I try to get my students to analyze this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one good test.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're doing this with students in the room, then do you find that they begin hearing things that you miss because of a bias?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is true.
		And in point of fact, the reason why I did the face on Mars in front of the class, this particular section, because I found three or four reversals when I did it myself that were shocking to me.
		And I did it in front of class to get another opinion to find more.
		And in point of fact, we found about 20, 20 more.
		And, you know, it's impossible for one person to hear them all, quite frankly.
		I've been doing it for 14 years, and I missed 70% of the most significant reversals on the mass date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, please continue.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so now we're moving right along.
unidentified		And they're talking about mapping.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Shortly after it got there, when the mapping began that year, Viking Orbiter 1 sent back a picture and somebody noticed it on there.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And it's kind of a neat thing.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Jew, he's trying to downplay the face on Mars is what he's doing.
		And backwards there's two reversals.
		First one says they scanned it.
unidentified		They scanned it.
unidentified		They scanned this.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Do you hear that one, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They scanned it, yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, very clear reversal, where involved is Was it scanned or scammed?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You know, someone brought that up in class, and that's a very good question.
		And I went over this one.
		We went over this one probably a dozen times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please let me hear the reversal a couple.
unidentified		Okay.
		This carpet.
		This carpet.
		This curface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's scammed.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And that reversal, we had an argument over.
		You're quite right.
		And point of fact, someone posted on my Bolton board last night and said this says scammed, not scammed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got to agree.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This curface.
unidentified		This curface.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And the next reversal says, we're involved with Sidonia.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We're involved with Sidonia.
unidentified		Sooner in the outer circle Sooner in the outer circle Sooner in the outer circle You're hearing that when I came in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hell yes.
		We're involved with Sidonia.
		My God, that's congruent.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		They're far more heavily involved than what they're even telling us.
		You know, I want to know what the Ray Gun reversal means, quite frankly.
		I want to know why they're involved with Sidonia.
		I want to know what this next reversal means, which I'm pulling up right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you listening, Richard?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
		Talking about the space on Mars.
		This feature that looks like a space, I believe, is about a mile across.
		Okay, and it's way below Hubble's resolution.
		The resolution we have is good for sort of global monitoring of Mars and sort of looking at Mars as the weather satellite would look at Earth.
		Okay, surface of Earth was fascinating.
		The next one's a significant one, but I'll play the first one first.
		It says, that's divine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thus, divine.
unidentified		Bus divine.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, speaks for itself.
		Now this one, I want to know what this means.
		We're riding a shielded vessel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're what and shieldable vessel.
unidentified		We're one shieldable vessel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're riding a shielded vessel.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
unidentified		We're white and shieldable.
		We're one shieldable thessable.
		Oh, my God.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Just stunning reversals.
		The sense that I'm getting is they're far more heavily involved with Sedonia than what they've ever led on.
		The writing is the present tense reversal.
		In other words, there's something that's happening right now.
		Why are they riding a shielded vessel?
		Now, listen to this next one coming up, which we've actually had some independent confirmation on, if I can find the facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, hold on, hold on, hold on.
		I don't want to do this till after the bottom of the hour.
		You're saying this is a pretty good one?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We're still getting to the good stuff.
unidentified		Oh, really?
unidentified		Okay, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on, David.
		David John Oates, the discoverer of reverse speech, the master of reverse speech, I would say, is my guest.
		And if you were doubting at the beginning, how can you be doubting now?
unidentified		How?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still, there will be those who will doubt.
		But I think this is stunning, is what it is.
		I'm Mart Bell, and we are the independent American CBC Radio Network.
		Yikes.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once again, here I am.
		Good morning.
		David John Oates is my guest.
		We are doing reversals now on the NASA guests we had, Ray Villard and Don Savage.
		And these are flat-out mind blowers.
		Oh, my.
		More to come in a moment.
		All right.
		Very quickly, I want to alert you to a fact, and it is.
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		The cruise itself is great, but look, I know Alaska.
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		Once again, the number is 1-800-848-7120.
		Call after 8 o'clock in the morning Pacific time.
		They are open on the weekends.
		All right, back to David Jonos.
		David?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We go.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm just going to replay the last one.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We're riding a shielded vessel.
unidentified		Okay?
unidentified		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Just replay that again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rimburton, Shield of Thessalon.
unidentified		Rimburton, Shield of Thessalon.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Very clear of Ursul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and let me just, you know, what we've got so far is Mars set this ray, Mars, set this ray gun.
		We're involved with Sidonia.
		We're riding a shielded vessel.
		And now to this one.
		And they're still talking about Mars, the face on Mars, of course.
		We've got a few more on face on Mars.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Well, what they hope they can get with possibly the medium resolution camera is a swath of territory that would include a pretty decent, probably much better resolution than we got with FIGE.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now this reversal, we went over it several times because there's a very significant word in here.
		The actual reversal says, making a shield with uranium, they build a soft spot.
		Now the uranium, I actually thought it was pronounced as iranium, not uranium.
		And we also went over it several times.
		It grew up to be radium.
		But let me play it and then I'll tell you the story behind it.
		Making a shield with uranium, they build a soft spot.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Making a shield with our medium bit and badium.
unidentified		Making a shield with our medium bit and badium.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hear that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not sure about that myself.
unidentified		I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I went over and over that.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'll just play it one more time.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Making a shield with our medium bit and badium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could have been medium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could have been radium.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		There's two possibilities.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It could be an ally that I don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So we just don't recognize it.
		But one of my students in class who wants to remain anonymous has a very good friend who's a scientist for NASA.
		And he rang this chap up who also wants to remain anonymous.
		So you've got to realize this is sort of second-hand information.
		And he asked him, what do they mean by uranium or iradium?
		And he said, and this is a quote, he said, when pressed, NASA admit that they are planning a mission to Mars where they're going to shoot depleted uranium projectiles to knock loose soil samples so the orbiter can scoop them up more easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that is correct.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And that's a direct quote.
		And he was amazed.
		He said, well, how did you find this out?
		And then he was informed about reverse speech and saying, well, what else have you found out?
		And that's all I'm at liberty to say.
		I was allowed to say that quote, but that's all.
		Okay, now this next one, I'm going to play it.
		The class decided that I shouldn't play it because I didn't think it was that clear.
		So they may turn out to be right.
		But anyway, I'm going to play it anyway.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was, I guess, one of the original, I guess, Seed of the Pans estimates on what possibly caused the formation to look the way it does.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And it did.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now this one, it has a completely different tone to how the reversals normally sound, which is why the class didn't want me to play it.
		It says, now found it safe.
		May the research save that gun.
unidentified		Now, Semberta, may believe, say, got guns.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I think you can hear that, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can hear it, yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, good.
		I'm glad I played it.
		So what does it mean?
		What research?
		What gun?
		What is safe?
		This whole thing has just raised so many questions in my mind.
		There's obviously something going on in Mars far more than we possibly know.
		And this next reversal is extremely significant.
		And here's the forwards on it.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And you don't have a whole lot of pixels covering it.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, these aren't the best pictures that you can make some kind of a determination.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now it says there's two reversals here.
		First one is, worst thing, are they hiding a fault?
		And it's a question.
unidentified		Worst thing hiding a fault.
unidentified		Worst thing overholding a fault.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's all I can do to keep my mouth shut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, that's clear.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		Worst thing overholding your fault.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and, you know, he's asking a question.
		They are very concerned about this face on Mars.
		The next one is, unfortunately, an example of reversal that's not quite grammatically correct, but it's so significant I want to play it anyway.
		Reversal says, does their ships hide with it?
		So not do, it's does.
		Does their ships hide with it?
		Which is a little bit grammatically incorrect, of course.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		There's schizophrenia.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does their ships hide with it?
unidentified		Clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So two questions.
		I'll play those two again.
		Worst thing, are they hiding a fort?
		You know, the worst thing is probably the worst possible scenario.
		And who is they and what is a fort?
unidentified		Worst thing is hiding a fort.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Colabi, does their ships hide with it?
unidentified		Does there script hopes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're clearly talking about the ability to quoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I hate to get Star Treking on you, but that's been a theme going all through this.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's the first thing that hit me, and that was a very Star Trek-y type reversal.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Shielded vessel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Mars setting a ray gun.
		The research saving a gun.
		And the one I played earlier, Fly By the Weapon, if you remembered that, I made a particular point of that and said, you know, this is a theme coming up.
		And the whole theme I'm getting in this Mars reversal is that they suspect there's something down in Mars.
		I think there was one reversal I can't play, it just wasn't clear enough.
		But the whole hint is that either they've been shot at or something's happened and they're going back, I think, armed and shielded to have a look and see what's there.
		And this next reversal is amusing.
		You'll hear him actually stuttering and stammering, trying to explain the place on Mars away.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And they have always included that on the list of images that they want to get to try to understand the terrain better and how the features may have been geologically formed in effect.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And where he stutters er, um, er, reversal says, my answer, not up to it.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		My answer, not after it.
unidentified		My answer, not afterwards.
unidentified		My answer is not up to it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		In other words, this is a washing, you know.
unidentified		My answer is not after it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My answer, not after it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's so clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's extremely clear.
		And all these reversals are clear, you know.
		I was just shocked at the clarity and the consistency of information throughout this whole trend.
		It's just sort of painting a picture.
		And this next one is just as scary.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		So those kinds of things have always been very interesting.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		The face itself, to the degree that people have enhanced the picture and says, forced to pierce it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The fear fear speaks for itself.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Forced to pierce it.
		Why are they going up there again?
		A shielded vessel?
		A gun?
		Are they hiding a fort?
		Forced to pierce it?
		You know, there's something going on.
		There's no doubt in my mind.
		And after 14 years of working with reverse speech, seeing it validated over and over and over again, I mean, I just have to believe what I'm doing.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the scientists and planetary geologists that I've talked to feel that there's just not enough there to convince them that this is anything but a natural formation.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Reversal says, say the lie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Says the lies.
unidentified		So the lies.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So then he says, this rave, fun, the rave, the con job.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You can hear that one okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Say the lies.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So the lies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say the lies.
		Oh, my God.
		Listen, we've already received a call.
		Richard Hoagland wants to talk to you.
unidentified		I'm not surprised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised either.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, Art, I've been sitting on these reversals for three or four days, and I've been hanging at the bit to play these on the air.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I've got to tell you, I had several phone calls and emails the last two or three days, people begging me not to play these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of people are you?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, from concerned friends, primarily.
		People still in shock about the fire.
		But I mean, this is what reverse speech is all about.
		It's time, you know, my first public appearances with reverse speech has been to present the theory in terms of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you've had these up on your website, so there have been people who have been hearing these prior to the program, and they were so shocked, they said, you better not play these on the air.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Exactly correct.
		But it's time to get the truth out.
		Reverse speech will help us to uncover all those secrets and all those mysteries that we know is being hidden by the government and by agencies.
		And I'm sorry, guys, that I'm here.
		I don't know what else to say on that one.
		Okay, do we still have time for you?
unidentified		Oh, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do, we do.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I still got a lot of get through.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I told you I had a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		They can think of any number of explanations.
		Until we get better pictures that maybe would say something else, you know, it's a wait-and-see attitude.
		They feel that, you know, it's certainly worth going back and taking pictures.
		We know that the public is interested in it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this one says, let me look.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		They don't want to share.
unidentified		He's even cut it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		He's even cut the card out on it.
		Now, this one is concerning.
		This one made me angry, the next two reversals.
		The first one says, "They warned you first that we get the gun now." What?
don savage ▲ ● ▼		"Buy-bye, Neil.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Officer's guest.
unidentified		Need to get in the car, now." "Buy-bye, Neil.
		Officer's guest.
		Need to get in the car, now." Hear that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		They warned you.
		Okay, that got me angry.
		And the next one's just as bad.
		It says, seal it, first the old way, hearse in it, eliminate it.
		And actually, it doesn't actually say eliminate it because the E is not there.
		It just says eliminate it.
		But the whole...
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Seal it, surfion away, hearth then, navonatus.
unidentified		Seal it, surfion way, hearth then, nervanatus.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Hearing that one, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear it, but not as clearly.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right, okay.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'll just do it one more time.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Seal it, surfion way, earthen egg, navonatus.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And the 30-odd way, that's the, it gets into metaphors, but it's the old attitude, the old approach.
		You know, they warned you first.
		I don't know who the they is, but we've got the gun now.
		You know, this is American machoism the way I see it.
		And let's do things the way that we've always done it before.
		And I think they are very afraid about what's on up in Mars as the next reversal.
		And you can see, and this whole thing, just painting a picture and a plot that gets thicker and thicker as the tape went on.
		It was like unraveling a mystery tale.
		And for the record, I think it's interesting that if you look at some Mars pictures, you find Kermit the Frog and a couple of smiley faces on Mars.
		I've never been convinced with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isaac.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, there's two reversals here.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		The first one says, these ships are on it, but nobody's getting answered.
unidentified		You skip to our Mr. McCoby spider and answer.
unidentified		You skip to our Mr. McCoby spider.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hearing that when AK?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, what ships?
		And who's not getting answered?
		And the next one says, orbiter on Mars.
		And this is a present tense reversal.
		I didn't think there was any spacecraft up there right now.
unidentified		All of us your arm knows it.
unidentified		All of us your arm knows it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hearing that when AK?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Orbiter on Mars.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Orbiter on Mars.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Are they already up there now?
		I don't know.
		It's the present tense.
unidentified		All the arm knows it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And again.
unidentified		All the serum knows it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of distortion on that one, too.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		All right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Where are we going to move on to now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close are we...
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We're almost done on NASA.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Let me just, do we have time for a couple more?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Here's a funny one.
		I'll just skip a couple.
		That's the main one on the face on Mars.
		You know, there's something there, they know there's something there, they're going back there, armed and shielded, the way I see it.
		And this one's amusing.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Is this a natural change, a climactic change, or is this something that we're doing to the planet?
		We just don't know.
		And it does help to understand how planets change.
		And our two nearest neighbors, Venus and Mars.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is funny.
		Two reversals.
		The first one says, announce that it's new in orbit.
unidentified		Announce that it's new in orbit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So the question is, what's new in all orbit?
		Well, this man doesn't know himself.
		Reversal says, announce what?
		My answer now, what was it?
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Announce what?
don savage ▲ ● ▼		No answer no.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		What that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
unidentified		Announce what?
		No answer no.
		What?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so obviously something's up there that they saw and they didn't know what it was.
		And let's just do one more on NASA.
		And I'm just skipping out some here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What freaks me out about all of this so far is that while a lot of them do relate to things we can understand and be suspicious about, a lot of it, although clear, is clearly of things that we don't understand, which is what you would expect, but it is still congruent with the material.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really freaky.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think they understand themselves.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And what you're getting is their own questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got time for one more, I think.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, they're talking about asteroids in orbit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You know, they're looking for asteroids.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		What we're doing now is starting on the right path, which is to catalog and identify all of the Earth-crossing asteroids that could potentially threaten the Earth.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		And we think there's probably about 2,000.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I believe we have, and backwards, it says, nuke it, they're all saying it's out there.
don savage ▲ ● ▼		Nuke, it's the old saying, it's all true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And we'll do it again.
		Nuke it, they're all saying it's out there.
		What's out there?
unidentified		Nuke is the old saying, it's all true.
unidentified		And there we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		That's NASA reversals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nuke it, they're all saying it's out there.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Are you still with us, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am barely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, coming up, we've got...
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And came on my program and talked about a tape that he allegedly smuggled out of Area 51.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How interesting are the reversals from Victor?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fascinating.
		They give extra information about the ET that he claimed.
		I have no doubt that he has had contact with ETs and knows a lot about them.
		I have a little bit of doubt about the validity of the video, at least where he got it from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the voice changer did not stop you?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Oh, no, not at all.
		It cut down the frequency of the reversals, and some reversals were only in half sentences.
		I had the first half, but lost the last.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold that.
		We'll be right back.
		Victor's Reversal's coming next.
unidentified		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's who we are.
		Good morning.
		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is David John Oates of Reverse Speech.
		And if you've been listening for the last hour and a half or so and you're not hitting the floor, then you're not listening.
		And I'll tell you, I'm just getting facts after facts after facts.
		Art, I'm floored.
		I don't know whether to laugh or cry all the years, all the money, all the lies.
		We need a top-to-bottom review of NASA open to the public, and we need it now.
		Absolutely, absolutely amazing.
		And it just goes on and on and on.
		I've got facts after facts after facts.
		I find David's reverse speech most fascinating.
		Everything he's given in review from the two NASA gentlemen has been discussed in detail over the past several years by, and I can't make out whose name that is, of Leading Edge magazine, and also Alex Collier, a contactee of the Andromedas.
		Please, please start putting all the pieces together for Beyond the Quickening.
		I don't know.
		You know, never say Never, but yeah, the quickening.
		If you would like to get a copy of The Quickening as an actual autographed edition, assuming that here's another one: dynamite stuff, it says simply.
		It is dynamite stuff.
		Gosh, and you're about to hear Victor to get a copy of The Quickening on the way to you while we still have copies to send of the second printing, first edition, autographed copy.
		You want to know where my weekends go?
unidentified		That's where they go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Signing, signing, signing.
		Anyway, they are still available for now.
		The number to call is 1-800-864-7991.
		You can call right now.
		1-800-864-7991.
		That is the picketing 0469.
		Telemark Bell told you to call.
		That's 1-800-406-0469.
		All right, this clearly is going to be a five-hour program.
		And clearly, there are going to be many, many, many people who are going to want a copy of this program.
		If you do, and you sure ought to want one, you can get one now by calling 1-800-917-4278.
		I clearly recognize when we are doing something historic, very historic, that moment is now.
		So if you want a copy, I mean, just the NASA materials alone over the last couple of hours are absolutely shattering.
		So if you want a copy of this tape, 1-800-917-4278.
		Somebody ought to buy it and send a copy to Richard Hoagland, so he's got a good, clear copy.
		Is all I can say.
		All right, here comes now.
		Victor again.
		Victor supplied a tape to a company called Rocket Video.
		That tape has yet to be released.
		It's about three minutes in length.
		We've had snapshots.
		As a matter of fact, you can see snapshots of the alien on my website right now that is in this video that Victor allegedly smuggled from Area 51.
		We had an extremely unusual opportunity to interview Victor here on the air.
		What did it go?
		A couple hours, didn't it?
		Good couple hours.
		And during that time, Victor used a voice masker.
		As a matter of fact, I've got one of them right here, he says as he tries to set it up.
		I've got a voice masker right here that I used to play around with on the air.
		You know, I have a lot of fun with it.
		And you're able to use various levels of masking.
		I'll show you.
unidentified		Hello, test 1, 2, 3, 4.
		This is my devil voice.
		But now watch this.
		I could even lower it further.
		I could make my voice deeper and deeper and deeper.
		Or I could begin raising my voice into...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now let me see if I can raise my voice.
		Let me see.
		Why am I not raising my voice?
unidentified		I should be raising my voice.
unidentified		Let me try it again here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that there's a way.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to begin to raise my voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Raise my voice.
unidentified		Why am I not doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's try it again.
		Oh, I see why.
		I'm pressing the wrong button.
unidentified		Okay, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Watch this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm going to raise the voice.
unidentified		Hello, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3.
		I will test 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4.
		And I can literally get it to the point where you can barely understand what I'm saying.
		Now I'm going to take it down in the other direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to slowly change my voice down into the lower scale.
unidentified		Here we go down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're beginning to get the idea.
unidentified		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That is a voice changer, and that is what Victor was using when we did the interview.
		Now, there was some initial thought that because of the voice changer, which does not change the speed, but rather the pitch of the voice, that David would not be able to do reversals.
unidentified		Wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in addition, I don't know whether it was really Victor or not, but somebody named Victor sent you some email, didn't he?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he did.
		He actually posted on my bulletin board and basically, well, anyone go to my site and see the post.
		I've left it up and basically challenged me.
		He said there is no way you can pierce my processing.
unidentified		Ha.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And then he said he will be listening.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no way that you can pierce my processing.
unidentified		Ha.
		Correct.
		And it got my backup, I must admit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure it did.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And it got me going on a bad light with this interview.
		So if you talk about bias, I had a very strong bias when I started this tape that Victor was a con.
		And so I had a very negative bias against Victor as I started this.
		And also, you may recall, too, when you first asked me to do the tape, I was doubtful whether I would find reversals too.
		That's right.
		I was definitely wrong.
		The reversals are certainly there.
		And as I did this tape, I changed my mind about Victor as time went on.
		He's a man who feels emotions very deeply, even though he claims he doesn't.
		And he is generally concerned about the subject that he's speaking about.
		So let's get started on Victor.
		And here we go.
unidentified		Here we go.
unidentified		45 minutes from now, I will have finished my last public pronouncement because this business with Jeff and the phone numbers is not part of the agreement.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and this one's first of us is slightly metaphoric, but it's significant.
		And this actually got my backup, too, when I found this one.
		And it says, this will serve my muscle sensational.
		And his muscle, his strength, he's looking for some backing and some, you know, some, and he admitted himself, he's looking for money to protect himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		will serve my muscles sensational.
unidentified		I'll serve my muscles and I'll serve my muscles and I'll serve my muscles Okay, I think it's a musical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This will serve my muscles sensational.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sensational indeed.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it was very sensational, and it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, that is rather congruent because I asked him later in the interview why he did this.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said for the money.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yeah, he was quite blunt about it, and there's his motive right from the very beginning.
		So, you know, I was strongly biased as I started this tape.
		Now, you asked him a question now about aliens on the base.
		Are the aliens still there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you know, been on the base before they filmed that segment of which you have a portion?
unidentified		Approximately 10, no, I'm sorry, 20 months.
unidentified		It was brought in in late 1989.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, he says, some we lost.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		There's no one left.
unidentified		Some we lost.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I think he's actually talking about the aliens themselves, because he actually says later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Play it again, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rigorous feedbackwards.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Oops.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I just go back to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some we lost, there's no one left.
unidentified		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I think he's referring to the aliens because he actually says later on in the interview that the aliens are all dead.
		Okay.
		So, you know, that's a fairly congruent statement from what I can see.
		Now when I found this reversal I started to change my mind about Victor and your forge The alien was the intention.
unidentified		The maltreatment of the aliens stems from our essential helplessness to either help or affect them.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And he says in a reverse, they laid with abuse.
unidentified		They laid with abuse.
unidentified		They laid a heap with abuse.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, a very strong statement from a man who obviously has feelings and emotions, and these reversals are congruent to his story, quite frankly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You know, okay.
		Now, in reverse, he calls them ETs.
		And here we have the first one of them.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		The dog and pony show of a medical team and the physical abilities of these beings is one of the constant sources of paranoia and chaos within the administration of these programs.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		He obviously doesn't like the way they're treated because backwards he says E.T. was here to live and walk.
		In other words, they're not being treated the way they're meant to be.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		E.T. was here to live and walk, yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And then he says, the source, it's not Earth.
unidentified		The source, it's not Earth.
		The source, it's not Earth.
		Sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Regular speed again, please, on that one.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The source, it's not Earth.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's not Earth.
		It speaks for itself.
		Then there's a really fascinating one.
		He's talking about when they're autopsied, they've got organs, but not the regular biological functions.
		I'm not too sure what he means by that.
unidentified		The issue here is that no one who has ever been in the presence of these beings has not felt as if thoughts, not his own, were entering his brain.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, that's not what he says in that statement, but he said that just earlier.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And in reverse, that's the great machine.
unidentified		That's the great machine.
unidentified		That's the great machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a great machine, very clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I'm not too sure what he means by that, unless there's mechanical as well as biological functions, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of this is so clear, it's going to have to be left to the audience to decide what it is that's meant by this.
		And I assure you, we're going to hear from the audience on what's meant.
		So, you know, people followed this very closely.
		Anyway, continue.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And you said you've got a lot of facts, because I've gotten, I've just downloaded 52 emails, so I'm getting them too.
		So, okay, here we go.
		You'll light this one up.
unidentified		And has a man has a constant and ever-growing stream of data supposedly emanating from them, and yet is incapable of consistently using this technology.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And then reverse, he says, art believes in you all.
unidentified		I believe in you.
unidentified		I believe in you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Referencing you by name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		I believe in your oath.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there we go.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know, I mean, the reversals that we're getting are extremely congruent here.
unidentified		They are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, for those who are just beginning to listen, this is what proves reverse speech.
		And that is that what is said in reverse is congruent with what's being said forward, whether it proves it to be true or a lie.
		The context is the same.
		And that's true in over 90% of all reversals that are found.
		Now, if you know a way around this proving reverse speech to be a real thing, I want to hear about it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'd like to hear about it too.
		You know, the odds are just astronomical.
		And If anything comes from this broadcast tonight, I'm hoping that people will see, yes, this really is real.
		And we can use this.
		We can actually use this to pierce the veil and find out what is really going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of what's going to come from the broadcast, I can already tell you, is going to be incredible anger.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I have anticipated that myself, frankly.
unidentified		Okay, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying we really have not effectively communicated with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There has been no vocal communication?
unidentified		The aliens do not speak.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen to this one.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's from the Pallades.
unidentified		You put on the familiar visit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		You put on the familiar visits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's have that again several times at regular speed.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I thought you'd want to hear that one again.
unidentified		Yes, you put on the familiar visit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And we'll do it again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		The UFO bus will love this one.
unidentified		You put on the familiar visits.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		What do you say?
		I mean, what do you say, you know?
		What do you say?
		Okay.
		Now, these next two reversals I'm going to play you now were the only two reversals that made me suspect there's something fishy about the video itself.
		While the information he's giving is obviously true, these two reversals have me wondering about the video.
unidentified		That was another statement that Mr. Schreiber, Sieber, he made on your program.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there it is.
		And he's just talking about the video.
		And in reverse, he says, produced close-up.
		The P on the close-up's not all that clear.
unidentified		Produced alt-produced ultra.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I hear is, I think, produced, I hear that clearly, but I'm not sure about close-up.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure of it either, you know, and I really wasn't going to play it, but I figured I should because it's, you know, it's certainly not enough to say the video is fake.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Produced, ultra.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so there we go, for what it's worth.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I certainly wouldn't use that reversal to say it was fake.
unidentified		And then the Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me the forward and reverse on the Pleiades again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very serious one.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		And let me just pull that file back up again.
		Victor 16.
		I'm just, I guess, I've got hundreds of files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, go ahead.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		All right, here it is.
		And forwards.
		Yeah, forwards.
unidentified		The alien.
unidentified		The aliens do not speak.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards?
unidentified		Forwards?
		The aliens do not speak.
		And backwards?
		You put on familiarity the is it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you tell me that's not there.
unidentified		I mean.
unidentified		No.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's there, David.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's there.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's as clear as day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's going to floor a lot of people out there.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, stand by.
		We'll be right back.
		Holy mackerel.
		Of all things to hear in reverse, Liades.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And this is CBC.
		This will be standard.
unidentified		AM 1500 KSTP.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is it I think NASA's come on my program for the last time?
		I suspect that in press conferences that NASA holds, you're not going to hear these kinds of reversals.
		But we had these men on the spot for three hours.
		And so I suspect they're not going to be willing to put themselves on this sort of spot again.
		So having said that publicly, maybe I'll be surprised, but I bet not.
		Oh, my, oh, my.
		To get a copy of this program, it will be a five-hour program.
		The number is 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		You can begin calling now.
		And as I said, you might as well get it because I don't think it's ever going to happen again.
unidentified		The fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back now to David Oates.
		David, are you there?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I certainly am.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we continue, I want to give you an opportunity to give out your number.
		You've done us such a service.
		Now, folks, David has a special reverse machine.
		Tell them about that and what it is and how they can get it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, I sell the recorders to locate these reversals.
		It's a modified Iowa Walkman.
		It's the top-of-the-line Walkman.
		It will last you for a long, long time.
		It comes with a stereo microphone.
		It's just a fantastic mic, a speed control.
		You can play it forwards and backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you had to modify them, right?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we buy them from an Iowa distributor and then we modify them ourselves.
		They are all individually hand-modified, which is not an easy job when you look at the tiny circuitry inside, you know.
		And yeah, so they come already modified, and we warranty them for 30 days.
		Yeah, they're just great machines.
		And the best service that you can do for me and for reverse speech is to get out there and start using this technology.
		The more people that are using this, the more information that gets out there, the safer I am, quite frankly, and the stronger reverse speech is.
		And you can get them by calling our office at 1-800-669-5789.
		That's 1-800-669-5789.
		The other thing that is just going great is I've just released my training course as a correspondence series.
		And we're videotaping all our classes and putting the videotapes out, and you do homework in between, and I mark the homework and get them sent back.
		And it's a 12-month course, and you'll be certified at the end of the course.
		So yeah, so to get involved in reverse speech, this is just an incredible technology that needs to be researched.
		It needs a lot of people using it.
		And you can do this by phoning us at 1-800-669-5789.
		My book is fantastic.
		I think it's the first book out.
		There's another one coming out in a couple of months' time.
		So there you go.
		I don't know what else to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I've got a question before you proceed.
		Yes.
		How does reverse speech react when used on someone who is a pathological liar and or truly believes what they are saying is true?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Extremely good question.
		I get asked that all the time.
		It gets tricky, quite frankly.
		If they're a complete pathological liar, the reversals on first glance will appear to conform their illusion of lies, but it will qualify that, too.
		It will say, I believe this to be true.
		But then you will always get other reversals that contradict it as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting, because when they use lie detectors, the one person that can seem to get past a lie detector is a pathological liar.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's tricky in reverse, I must admit that.
		But it will not confirm their lie.
		It will communicate the reverse in such a fashion that seems to confirm it, but there will be a word or two here and there that contradicts it.
		But what you really get is, and this is where skilled analysis comes in, when you get down to the metaphoric level of reverse speech, which I really haven't ever talked about on this program, but it's certainly the far greater portion of it.
		The deep reversals from the unconscious will clearly show that this man is lying.
		So you really got two levels of reversals.
		On the conscious mind, you will get a seeming confirmation, but there will be a subtle twist to show that it's not.
		But the real trick comes down in the metaphors, and the metaphors will definitely show that it is a lie, why he's lying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is for my technical audience, David.
		I don't understand it myself, but it's somebody who made something out of one of the reversals that the both of us did not understand.
		Dear Art, the use of uranium as a shield with possible combinations of solutions of urinal oxalate have been used not only as shielding from radioactivity, but also to measure the number of photons present in a beam of light.
		This would indeed include lasers and measurement of energy output and spectrum.
		Thought you might want to consult with Richard on this.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I kind of figured the word I was hearing was not uranium.
		I didn't think it was.
		I thought it was a combination of two or three different elements, a top-secret ally, I would imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another typical fact, and then back to Victor.
		Wow, the NASA guys' reversals are quite amazing.
		I have to believe that David is treading in pretty dangerous waters, though.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, the man's right.
		I need help.
		I need support, quite frankly.
		You know, I just can't do this by myself anymore.
		I've got a growing number of supporters, but we're not big enough yet.
		And I am openly putting out a call for help and support.
		This technology is just too powerful and too strong just to let it sit in my small little research desk in my burnt-out house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us proceed now with Victor.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okey-dokey.
		Let us continue.
		He's talking about the interview with Rocket.
unidentified		In September when Rocket interviewed me, I was not prepared to say that the alien was dead.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, he says, they'd soon believe.
unidentified		They'd soon believe us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd soon believe.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And they certainly are.
		You notice how clear these reversals are.
		I mean, far from the process of reducing the reversals, it almost seemed to clarify them.
unidentified		They'd soon believe us.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		The next one's an interesting one.
		And you've actually got a bit of process and noise in between.
		So the reversals, because his process has got that characteristic hiss sound to it.
		And it actually breaks this reversal up.
		I wasn't going to play it on air, but we're doing so well, I will.
unidentified		In an overarching sense, these beings have been here before, and the program that they are performing upon the human race is as old as the human race.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, he said, I actually think there's a very significant reversal for the program, whatever he's talking about.
		It says, awful gray needs that.
		Then you've got the long S, needs that E T. Awful Grey needs that ET.
		Hear that?
unidentified		Not for breaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not as clearly as I should.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right, because you've got the processor sound in it, which is why I wasn't.
		So I actually did it again with the processor taken out, that little S in the middle.
		So the next version I'm playing here has been changed by me.
		So I'm just making that caveat up front.
		Okay.
unidentified		Yep.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I took the processor sound out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can hear the difference.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		All right.
		You asked him a very pointer question about the emotions.
		What did he feel when he was with them?
		And this actually one reversal was, if I had any doubt, this one clenched it.
unidentified		Did you feel odd?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel sorrow?
unidentified		Did you feel elated?
unidentified		What did you feel?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		He pauses.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I should have cut.
unidentified		Hang on.
		I suppose I felt sorrow.
		I felt anger.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I felt sorrow.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hear that long pause there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, reversal says, I felt lost.
unidentified		What's that aware of?
unidentified		I've got a world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, that's clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And that's that long pause while he's trying to work out what to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, give us, please, the forward and reverse on that one again.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's the forwards.
unidentified		I suppose I felt sorrow, I felt...
		What's that aware of?
		What's got a world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the reverse was almost better than the forwards.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yeah, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, wow.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Really, really, really, really much so.
		Okay, what are we going to move on to next?
		I'm not playing all of these.
		You can go to my website at www.reverspeech.com to hear the entire transcript.
		Here's an interesting one.
		It's a little bit out of context, but you've just asked him about their moving from Area 51 to S5, and this is after he says that, or I think it's just before it isn't.
unidentified		On your own show, with Whitley's Street Bright, there was something he said that struck me so singularly that I wrote it down.
		And as a sound, I have it here on a scrap of paper.
		He said, this is the face that mankind is turning to this other world.
		And I suppose, to some extent, that was my motive for attempting to place this before the public.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Two reversals here, not in complete context what he's saying for.
		First one says, got a new building.
		It's a wolf.
unidentified		I...
		I didn't get far enough.
		cannot be harmed by our significant way.
		You ought to be living at a wood.
		Huh.
		You ought to be living at a wood.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I think you're talking about the new facility.
		He's not too impressed with it, actually.
		And then he says they defend this scene in it.
unidentified		Yep.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Now, we're getting to some very significant reversals.
		This one here I will have to explain.
		This also gets in the metaphoric statement, nature reverse speech, but it's such an important reversal.
		I definitely want to play this.
		Okay, he's talking about how people who've been taken by aliens are left wandering in the wilderness.
unidentified		They have appeared in an incomprehensible panoply of circumstances in front of private individuals who are then left, metaphorically speaking, wandering in the wilderness.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And he speaks metaphorically backwards.
		Versal says, send a whirlwind.
		You know ET's your friend.
unidentified		Send a whirlwind you're not when we hit your girlfriend.
unidentified		Send a whirlwind you're not when we hit your girlfriend.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hear that, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, clearly.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a little bit slower today.
unidentified		Send a whirlwind you're not when we hit your girlfriend.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me just, if I've got a little bit of, let me just quickly try and explain the significance of the whirlwind.
		It's an extremely important metaphor in reverse speech.
		Reverse speech goes into great depth about the human senses that we have and our functions and how that all interrelates.
		And the metaphor whirlwind refers to what reverse speech describes as a fifth energy force that surrounds the Earth.
		Reverse speech goes into great detail about it, about how all of us are connected spiritually or metaphorically to everyone else through an energy field that surrounds the planet.
		And some of my own private research I've done with UFOs talk about how the ETs or aliens use this whirlwind to fly their craft and to communicate telepathically.
		And it's a strong theme in reverse that I've done a lot of private work on and I've never released any of my findings on that.
		And so when he's saying send a whirlwind, you know ET is your friend, he's saying connect up telepathically, go back to source, so to speak, if that makes any sense.
unidentified		Okay, are you with me still?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm listening.
		When we get into these metaphoric things, I don't know that I understand them.
		But I'm with you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		In order to explain it, I've really got to start from scratch and get right into it.
		And I cover a lot of that in my training course.
		I spend several weekends on the whole metaphoric function of reverse speech.
		And it's just too involved for you for me to even get started on the air.
		But I wanted to play it.
		Anyway, so let's move on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the buildings are like, anything at all about the area.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Either one that you're able to describe, actually.
		Very significant because you actually said, tell us what the buildings are like, and he just said that in reverse earlier.
		You know, we've got a new building, and then you asked to tell us what the building's like.
		And then he says backwards, we all moved with it.
unidentified		I was moved with it.
unidentified		There we go.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, they just move with the building to the new facility.
		This next one's a little bit scary.
		I'm not too sure exactly what he means.
		But let's just play it and maybe someone can have a clue on this one.
unidentified		What I mean by that is that when they're autopsied, they have the organs of a biological antithet.
unidentified		But there is a lack of the chemical and physical functions one would expect in a biological antithete.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Backwards, he says, they grow in my head.
unidentified		I grow in my head.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And then he says, listen, they walk erect.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Let me play those again.
		And then, listen, they walk erect.
unidentified		Listen there, walk away.
unidentified		Listen, they'll walk over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just very clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, extremely.
		All right, moving right along.
		We're getting down to the last half a dozen now.
		Well, at least on the Victor tape.
		This was quite a marathon project for me.
		I must have spent over 100 hours doing this and double checking and triple checking my findings.
		And I have had little sleep over the last week and a half doing these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been quite a project for you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		But a very worthwhile project.
unidentified		Groom Lake, there are military personnel who sleep at the base, but at F4, the staff is bussed in and out on a daily basis.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And he said forward that he wouldn't tell whether he was moving to Groom Lake or not.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And in reverse, he says, so sad you leave them.
unidentified		So sad you leave them.
		So sad if you leave them.
		So sad if you leave them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's just flat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As clear as it is forward, maybe even better.
unidentified		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		I was just done with these reverses.
		I've been, you can see why I've been itching at the bit to get and play them, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's chomping it the bit.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sorry.
		Chomping it a bit.
		There's my Aussie.
unidentified		What can I say?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		How are we going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of mental changes did you go through as you did NASA and then Victor?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, with the NASA, I was angry.
		Well, first of all, I was disbelieving.
		I was really doubting what I was hearing for the first part.
		And I actually went through a struggle that I haven't gone through with reverse speech for several years now.
		Is this real?
		Am I imagining this?
		And I was shocked when I had those thoughts again because I hadn't had those for a long time with reverse speech.
		But then once I got grounded down into what I found, I was angry.
		I was furious.
		I was just livid.
		It's like, well, what on earth are they doing?
		I mean, if they were flying over the face of Mars, if they were really shot at, and now they're going back armed to the heels, I mean, what right do we have to do this?
		It's not even our planet.
		And so I was furious about it, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, David.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What we'll do when we come back is finish with Victor, if you've got one or two more.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one or two significant ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then we'll move on, and we'll do a few famous ones and take some calls in the final hour, okay?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd love to take some calls on this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll get some calls, all right.
unidentified		I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, David, hang tough, and we'll be back.
		And I mean, hang tough, because this has been some pretty rough stuff.
		If you want a copy of this program and you ought to want one, you can get it at 1-800-917-4278.
		It will be a total of a five-hour show.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		I'm Mart Bell, and this is CBC.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the CBC Radio Network.
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		1-800-557-4627.
		All right.
		Back to David Oates.
		This has been indeed quite a night.
		David, I think you may have one or two more on Victor.
		Is that correct?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just one or two more.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Before I do, I just want to say that someone by the name of Victor just posted on my website, and I want to read you the post.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did he say?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It says, just because your reverse speech can tell people what's in my head, you will never find out my identity.
		Take care.
		You are correct, Art.
		Most likely, you are making a lot of people angry.
		Take care, Victor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sounds like, I bet that is, Victor.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems genuine to me.
		So anyway, that post just is on my site, so you can go and listen to that if anyone wants to.
		Okay, we're just going to play a couple more, a couple of what I think are significant ones, and you can, all the rest on my site.
unidentified		That is what you're talking about.
unidentified		Oh, sorry.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Did I interrupt you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		That is what you're talking about.
		This was the piece that I could take.
		The Odyssey.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now that's a very significant reversal.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Gotta seek the soul's sin.
unidentified		The Odyssey, the Soulship.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it gets down to some of the deeper reasons why, according to my research, the aliens are here.
		Their mission is spiritual in nature.
		At least that's what I appear to be finding from my own private studies.
		And we'll do one other here.
		This one actually brought tears to a couple people's eyes who listened to this reversal.
unidentified		One of which resembles a thumb, but has a pivot point that a human thumb doesn't have.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about the alien's fingers.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards it says, and we hurt them.
unidentified		And we hurt them.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hear that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we hurt them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I heard it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And the other one he had was, they laid with a goose, you know, and it's the real indictment on our society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you know, on at least our, by the way, consistent with what Mr. Streeber's reaction was when he saw the video.
		Right.
		He was angry and sad, and I guess I can hear why.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, these beings have come from heaven knows where to deliver whatever message they have to deliver, and we're treating them like the Nazis treated the Jews during World War II, you know?
		It's disgusting.
		I mean, it's totally disgusting.
		And we'll just play one more reversal.
		This is metaphoric a little bit, but I think it sums up the message of the whole tape.
unidentified		I believe I mentioned earlier the constant contact the aliens make with private individuals.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's a metaphoric reversal, but it says earth feel, feel a dance the lady earth has not.
unidentified		Earth, this works, the empiring lady earth has not.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Do you hear that one okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And do it one more time.
		And the metaphoric significance of that is feel the dance of the ETs.
		You know, become happy, become alive, become connected.
		If you haven't done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a couple of calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I know that you've got one of, you've done a couple of John Wayne or something.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, it's one of my regular contributors to my website.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		They submitted these to me today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a couple of calls first, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, my name is Tammy, and I'm from Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tammy.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		And hi, David.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you?
unidentified		I'm wondering how this was kind of developed.
		I wonder, I have ADD, and I've noticed some really weird things with its natural, it's real natural for me to want to go backwards and to look at things in that kind of direction.
		I understand it better.
		Does this have anything to do with that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		See, I believe that reversing functions in the human mind are very natural.
		The brain operates forwards and backwards.
		The left and right brain hemispheres are mirror images of each other.
		And I think many people slip into that mode just automatically.
		It could be caused by a crosswiring of the mind.
		I don't totally understand what happens.
		And I think that as we begin to accept that this exists and it is real, we can understand the way the human mind functions a lot better than what we do now.
unidentified		Because I wonder if, it sounds to me like it's possible that what many call dyslexia is actual and normal function.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Very correct.
unidentified		And that maybe we are being retrained in possibly an irregular way.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I think that's absolutely so.
		I think that the existence of reverse speech is a major, major missing piece in our understanding of the way the mind and psychology works.
		And once we accept it and incorporate it into all our studies, we will make some tremendous breakthroughs in our understanding of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's keep moving.
		Wildcard line, you're on the ear with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		This is Robert in the San Joaquin Valley of California.
		Hi, Robert.
		Good morning, Mr. Oates.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Morning.
unidentified		It's a distinct pleasure to meet you, sir, and to hear what you have to say.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		I have one important question, but first I'd like to say, sir, that it's really good what you're doing because you're searching for the truth also.
unidentified		And many of us really, truly appreciate what you're doing.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How were you impacted, Robert, by the NASA reversals?
		They were...
		What did you think of those?
unidentified		I was involved, Mr. Bell, in NASA with companies that were subcontractors throughout Los Angeles.
		And I saw and heard many things through the years.
		It appalls me.
		I don't believe them.
		This facts that you received about taking care, Mr. Bell, and this victor, I just want to say whoever that victor is, we, the people of America, along with Mr. Bell, we made Adolf Hitler angry also.
		There's too many lies and there's too much cover-up.
		It keeps us in the dark.
		We never used to be this way.
		I think it's appalling.
		Seriously.
		And I think we need to somehow unite.
		We need answers.
		But my question, Mr. Oates, is about this production company that Victor went to.
		Yes.
		Have you had a chance to listen to his interviews with that production company?
		And if not, can you get a hold of them to reverse speech them as well?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I have not listened to them.
		The only material I have is the type of the interview with Art Bell.
		I would love to get a hold of them.
		I'll be very happy to do that.
unidentified		That could be important.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		David, I have a question for you.
unidentified		I did call you and got some information from you, and I did take your advice and got myself a yacht back.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah.
		And, well, strangely enough, I did a little experiment, and I want to know if this ever happened to any people that you interview.
		On the yacht back, just for the heck of it, I just put it forward, demons, they haunt me.
		And in reverse, he came back, the body's not yours.
		I want to know, because with a guest that a future guest that, or did have with Father Melcho Martin.
		Right.
		Yeah.
		If you had any experience with anything to that similar reversal.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, for a start, you can't base something on just one reversal.
		You need to see a lot more than that.
		I have deliberately steered away from the spiritual aspect of reverse speech, particularly the satanic, demonic side, because I wanted to divorce myself from the old religious fundamentals back masking thing.
		There is a strong spiritual element to reverse speech.
		If you choose to approbe that side of it, you will get some answers.
		But I would advise you not to get worried over just one reversal.
		It could mean anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you need to see a pattern.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To make a judgment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was what was so interesting about all those NASA reversals.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was such a pattern.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It just went on and on and on.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I was wondering, you call him Victor?
		Now, on one of the things that said he feels lost, was Victor maybe reprogrammed or different things done to him to make him different?
		Maybe he's lost because he developed something within himself.
		Maybe he's an entity within himself.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to give an answer to that question.
		I think that he was just overwhelmed by the emotional experience of connecting to the ETs, but they do have that reversal.
		They grow in my head, but what does that mean?
		It's just one isolated reversal.
		I think that I feel lost was actually referring to the overwhelming emotions he felt connecting to these beings.
unidentified		Well, the emotional feeling that he felt was that maybe did they try to maybe eliminate that from him and couldn't and took his intelligence away, so now he feels lost, not as a whole?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I really couldn't answer that question.
		I'd just be guessing.
		I can only go with what the reversals tell me, and he seems to be a very intelligent, articulate man by his forces, as I would speak.
unidentified		Yeah, I would say he is.
unidentified		When this happened to him, was it in the year of 1994 that he became lost by chance?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, these are questions that would more properly be asked of Victor should he be here, which he is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we missed him.
		Wildshard line, you're on the air with David Oates.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		Yes, my name's Dan in Virginia.
		Uh-huh.
		And two things.
		Did you have a chance to do the reversal on the questions to the NASA officials concerning Hale Bopp?
		Because that was a major part of the original program.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, they talked about the Hubble spacecraft viewing Hale Bopp.
unidentified		Exactly.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there wasn't a great deal of reversals on that section, quite frankly.
		And I really can't recall what I found.
		I remember there were some there, but they weren't clear enough for me to quote, and I really can't recall what they were.
		They did not contain much information.
		I do remember that there was nothing there that jumped out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can be pretty sure that through the process of going through the reversal, sir, you heard the ones that stood out and were significant.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		If I didn't play them, they weren't significant information.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		The second question was when he was talking about nuking, we were talking about the asteroid belt.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		About nuking one.
unidentified		And, you know, in the prophecies, it talks about, especially in the Bible, about an asteroid that's going to hit the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I'm just wondering if this thing's already on the way and they're watching it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they're definitely searching for it.
		The versal, they're all saying it's out there.
		You know, certainly speaks for that.
		And they're looking for some asteroid that could threaten the Earth.
		Sure.
		And I'm very familiar with biblical prophecy.
		So being raised as a preacher's kid.
		They know all about it.
		And actually, the one prophecy I like to quote is Jesus said in the last days, every secret hidden in the heart of man will be shouted from the highest mountaintops.
		And I think that's part of the mission of his speech.
		Just to get my little religious plug in there.
unidentified		Well, you're doing a great job, and I'm really, really fascinated with the program tonight.
		It's just mind-blowing.
		You know, it's doing a great job, too.
		You know, I just can't thank you enough for this is like what this program is like a key that's opened the door.
		And I can just see what's going to happen from this point on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and on that point, Art, I did figure this was going to be a very significant broadcast, and I think it's turning out to be such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly agree.
		Let's see.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we hear you fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from West Hartford, Connecticut.
		Okay.
		A very interesting question for you guys.
		Philip Taylor Kramer, you remember that scientist was missing on it.
		He made that famous 911 call.
		Could your guest reverse speech Philip Taylor Kramer's 911 call and find out where he might be?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't have access to the tape.
		If I can get it, if I've got time, I can do it.
		So you have to, I get so many requests to do tapes, and I'm just one man with just a certain amount of hours each week to do this.
unidentified		Art, could you get the taper for your guest, please?
unidentified		Could you get the tape for your guest, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can always do that, yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if I could get the tape, I would be happy to do it.
unidentified		Because we'd like to know what happened to Philip Taylor Kramer.
unidentified		Gray?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'd all like to know, sir.
unidentified		No, we don't like to know if he's still alive or what's going on with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the whole idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is he still alive?
unidentified		Maybe that's a clue what he said.
		Remember he said, I'm going to kill myself or something like that?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember.
		The problem was that it was very, very indistinct.
		Even forward, that particular line was very indistinct, but it's always worth a shot, I suppose.
		Okay, we're going to break here, and we'll be right back.
		David Oates is my guest.
		And again, if you want a copy of this very significant program, it's 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		If you have a question, lines are open now.
unidentified		The talk station, AM 1500 KSTP.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time with Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once again, here I am.
		My guest is David Oates.
		David John Oates.
		He is the master of, the originator of, the discoverer of reverse speech.
		It's always been around.
		He's just the guy who found it.
		We'll get back to him in a moment.
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		All right, back now to David Oates.
		David, are you there?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we go back to the lines, and they're all buzzing for you.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a couple of kind of interesting ones from John Wayne.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		This was emailed me today.
		I hope the audio quality is okay, but let's just play it and see if you can hear the forwards.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Friend, there's nobody up there shooting back at you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It's a line from one of his movies.
unidentified		It's not being fast or even accurate than counts.
		It's being willing.
		I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing.
		They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull a trigger.
		I won't.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Classic John Wayne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Two great reversals here.
		The first one says, the end result, you still argue and insult.
		And it rhymes like a movie line.
		You know, the end result, you still argue and insult.
unidentified		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		You hear that?
unidentified		Yes.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And then the other one, he says, what is that?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Carry on the guilt, kid.
unidentified		Carry on the guilt, kid.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Classic one.
unidentified		I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carry on the guilt, kid.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Typical Wayne, forwards and backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, his voice quality was the same in reverse, as a matter of fact, wasn't it?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Right, it was exactly the same.
unidentified		Yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And let me, seeing we're playing favorites, let me, well, let me just play you my favorite reversal on Clinton of all time.
		You have got your favorite.
		This is mine.
		All right.
		He's denying charges of moral dishonesty.
unidentified		There still has not been a single solitary shred of evidence of anything dishonest that I have done in my public life, not only as governor, or not only as governor and his president.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And backwards, he says, denied the habit, and I said, damn you.
unidentified		And then I'd be habits, and I said, damn you.
unidentified		And then I was behind it, and I'll say, damn you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that one's fairly clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just one of my favorites.
		And actually, let me put an amusing one in.
		This was emailed to me this week, and I played it, and I just burst out laughing.
		It's probably not one of the clearest reversals, but the message of it is hilarious.
		It's actually the Star Trek computer, which is appropriate for the program tonight.
unidentified		Transfer complete.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I forgot what the reversal says.
unidentified		Is McGruffner?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it's not all that clear.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It says, give him a good time.
unidentified		Is McGrathner?
		No, it's not.
		Is McGruffner?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's the first one I would say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's that one.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		You're quite right.
		As soon as I played it, I knew that wasn't there.
		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to the phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		And David, this is Rex from Green Bay.
		Hi, Rex.
		Hi, David.
		what do you recommend for a person to start getting involved with reverse speech?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well I'm glad you asked that question.
		Um I suggest that first of all you get a hold of a re a reversing machine which we sell at my office.
		You can call 1-800-669-5789.
		Get hold of my book which we also sell and if you're serious about it I've been doing I've been training people in reverse speech now for about 10 years.
		I have a year-long training program one weekend a month that I begin every year in San Diego but the training program is now available as a correspondence course so you can roll in and learn how to do it correctly and you will become certified at the end of a year.
		The first step obviously is to get a machine and you can get them through us.
unidentified		Okay, how much is a machine?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		We have three models available.
		One starts at $17.
		That's what's called a yak back.
		It's a little toy and it goes right up to the top of the line machine which is $225.
		And that's the top of the line IWA.
		It is their best model that records in perfect stereo.
		It has a speed control so you can slow it down and speed it up.
		My staff, my office will be manned as of 5 o'clock this morning.
		I was anticipating a fairly bit, that's 5 o'clock California time, so one hour from now, I was anticipating a fair rush after this broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, at 5 o'clock, in about an hour and 17 minutes, your office will be open?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I anticipated a rush of calls from this program, and my staff are anxious at the bid to take the calls as of an hour.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You mentioned on getting a copy of this broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay, how do you identify it when you call up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As the David Oates program that aired tonight.
unidentified		Okay, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		Is that the seventh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the sixth going into the seventh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both, yes.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, thanks a lot.
unidentified		It's been an honor talking to both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, take care, and thank you very much for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oakes.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I've got a question for David if he's ever done a reverse speech in another language.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Ah, good question.
		Yes, I have.
		I've still got to do more work on it to state with certainty.
		I've just finished training a student from Germany.
		She came out and trained under me for two years, and she's actually back in Germany lecturing now.
		And in point of fact, I just had my first article published in a major German May magazine.
		Mind you, I can't read it.
		It's in German.
		But essentially what we've found out is that the language that you are thinking in at the time of speaking is what the reversals will be in.
		Now, that's just a general rule of thumb.
		So if you are speaking in English but thinking in German and translating in your mind, the reversals will be in German.
		The language that you're thinking in.
		But we need to do a lot more work into that whole area.
		Obviously, I've just researched in English.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oakes.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		Hi, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm doing real good.
		First of all, I'd like to say hello to my brother, TV preacher Kenny, who's listening.
		And David, what a can of worms you have opened.
		Haven't I, indeed?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Just a simple Aussie born in the Outback, you know, and just amazing what trouble he can get into.
		It's a can of worms.
		Yes, it is.
		Some people call it a Pan Stora's box.
		And a lot of people are hoping like crazy it's not real.
		But I've got news for everyone.
		It certainly is.
		There is no doubt in my mind or my associate's mind that this is a very real technology.
		And I've got a growing number of professionals and academics who are starting to come behind me now.
		And hopefully this broadcast tonight will get even more people in.
		Yeah, we need this so bad.
		We're all looking for truth and this is a way that we can find it.
unidentified		Well, you definitely have me convinced.
		And what's it going to take to keep you quiet?
		I mean, they already tried burning down your house.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't want to get into that discussion.
		I'm a researcher.
		I've found a technology.
		I have a moral obligation to take this as far as it needs to go.
		Hopefully, if I can get some interest and some support, we can get ourselves into a little bit more secure position than what we're in now.
unidentified		You definitely have my interest up, and I wish you the best of luck.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you, Caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time, caller line, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Hey, I just wanted to say, I remember one time you said that you wouldn't believe in aliens unless one kicked you in the shin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Well, I don't know about you, but I just felt like one just kicked me in the shin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, you can't listen to all of this without feeling that way.
		There's no question about it.
		And this is not quite getting kicked in the shin physically, but it's as close as you're going to get, I think.
unidentified		And also, I've always been a little bit cynical about the government, but I'm a lot more cynical right now.
		And I think with programs like this, I think that this just takes a lot of the trust and the belief in the government and what's going on.
		And I just hope there's some way that all the Americans that are listening right now can affect NASA in some way from putting pressure on the legislators to really put some pressure on NASA.
		But right now, Ark, my mind is so blown.
		I swear that I don't know how many cigarettes I've smoked just trying to calm myself down, but I'm thoroughly amazed.
		And I just want to say, God bless you, and God bless David there.
		Oh, wow, you guys are just amazing.
		And I'm just so blown away that really all I can say and I've just got to get going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I understand how he feels.
		I tell you what, since my house burned down two months ago, my whole life has been turned upside down.
		I've seen things that I used to read about in conspiracy books, and here I am living it.
		It's just, I'm shocked.
		I really am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Used to the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah.
		I was wanting to know whether there's been any attempts at other species, that the sounds that the other species that make childlike sounds, if possibly any of those have shown to have any more human-type communication?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I guess you're referring about to animals, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I've done no work with animals.
		I'm just working with, I've got enough on my mind with humans right now.
		So I can't answer your question.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Okay, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And west of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ken from KSFO country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And actually, this is the first time I've called the program.
unidentified		But it's a pleasure to talk to you, Art, and also David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I've listened to David a couple of other times, and I wish to say that I'm very sorry that he had to suffer the loss of his home in defense of the truth.
		And I know how he must feel about that.
		I have one comment and a question.
		One comment about producing the word producing or production of the close-up or whatever that was that he said.
		Maybe we're reading too much into that.
		Maybe it just means that he was the vehicle through which this film was produced.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		And I think I said it's only one reversal.
		We don't really know what it means.
		It's the only reversal I could find that might even possibly cast doubt on the authenticity of the video.
		Clearly, his experiences are very, very real.
		And other than that, I found no reversal to him that the video was not realized.
unidentified		Well, I think that this experience with Victor has convinced me more than anything else about the cover-up of Area 51, S4, S5, room-like, whatever you want to call these places out there.
		Certainly we have seen that.
		Many books have been written about it.
		Of course, Willie Streeber has been quite a conversationalist when it comes to this.
		And so I have become more of a believer.
		And then to listen to your reports concerning the NASA people, I listened to that program.
		And I can only say that there is an incredible cover-up.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		There has to be.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		There has to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how anybody could come away from listening to those without being marked.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And I hope this tape of this program gets distributed as far and as wide as possible.
		It's time for truth.
		We just can't do this anymore.
		And they can't call themselves a public agency with the cover-up that's going on.
		It must change.
unidentified		Now, another aspect of this is very interesting.
		For those of us that are interested in political truth, weighing the statements of our leaders and ascertaining their honesty, I think that's an incredible area that we should look at.
		Right.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think there's any doubt that what we're hearing is not the truth.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		It says the question in my mind is how deep does the cover-up go?
unidentified		Sure.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And what is behind the lies?
		And that gets pretty shocking.
		And maybe at some time I may devote a program just applying some of those materials, but I'm not ready to do that yet.
unidentified		That would be an interesting area.
unidentified		And I think the reason why is because when we have statements like something coming off the surface of Mars and blowing away one of our satellites, we have to pay attention to that.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
unidentified		And of course, that fits in with some remote viewing.
		And I realize that you may not be real familiar with that, but that fits in with some remote viewing that has been done by several people.
		And it's just interesting that those two things coincide.
		And now, I guess the question in all this is where it leads.
		Are there other areas that this could be useful in?
		I mean, the price of truth in this case is $225 at the max.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, correct.
		Well, that's just to get the equipment.
		There's a lot of training involved, too.
		You know, the examples I play on the air have been prepared.
		You know, I mean, by prepared, I mean the gibberish has been taken out, eyes aside, and so they are easy to hear.
		But finding them is the tough part.
		And that takes training.
		It takes me probably, well, my course is 12 months long.
		It takes me 12 months to train someone to the point where I am happy with their proficiency.
		It's like learning another language.
		It's got its own unique accent and takes, as I'm sure you've heard with these reversals, they sound different.
		And it takes a while to get trained to that.
		But sure, you can get started on $225.
		I've gotten people who have emailed me some amazing reversals that they've found just by buying the machines.
		But to become very proficient to find the type of reversals I'm finding and playing on the air, it's not as easy as just running a tape backwards.
unidentified		Can you invent a computer processor to help you with this?
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would love to.
		I believe it's possible to develop computer programming that can automatically find the reversals.
		And, you know, we're still playing With sticks and clubs right now.
		And it's taken me 14 years to get to this level just with my years.
		I've had a bit of help in this.
		I'm a ham radio operator, so I'm fairly used to hearing, well, art would know what I mean when I say single sideband signals.
		They sound very similar to reversals, so I had a head start.
		But I think that we can get a computer program to find the reversals, and then we're really into some very serious business.
		And I would love, if someone's got any ideas or funds to fund such a project, I would love to speak to them.
		And you can call me on my 1-800 number.
		Let me get that out one more time.
unidentified		Yes, please do.
unidentified		I'm going to copy it down while you're saying it.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's 1-800-669-5789.
		And I'll say it again, 1-800-669-5789.
		And there'll be someone at the office in an hour from now.
		And we would love to speak with him.
unidentified		Well, I want to thank you, Art, for having this man on the program as many times as you have.
		Obviously, both of you are committed to discerning the truth in many aspects, some of them kind of weird, but this one isn't weird.
		This one works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it works for you, sir.
		I mean, to some people, it's going to be weird.
		To some people, almost everything I do is weird.
		That's fine.
		I think that if you listen to a whole thing objectively, you had to come away with the feeling that something about all of this is absolutely real.
		Or you can be in denial.
		I don't know which.
unidentified		Well, there's a lot of people in NASA that are apparently in denial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would agree with that.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I would totally agree.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, the end result of denial is intense anger when you get confronted with the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so my word to you, David, is get ready because there are going to be some angry people.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I know.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I've already taken precautions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
unidentified		Hello, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you, sir?
unidentified		Hi, this is Daniel, East of the Rockies.
		And I had a very interesting experience because I was actually the recipient of one of those little flung-out, boy, this is a curious ones.
		when you were doing a reverse speech analysis of the evening when Courtney Brown was being interviewed and mildly beaten up by Art Bell and Whitley Strieber around that time when...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're out of time here.
unidentified		He was withholding information regarding the astronomer who was hoaxing him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there was one that David came up with where he had Courtney Brown saying very clearly, I will call the mystic.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll remember that one.
unidentified		It was in reference to I am the attorney who faxed him the urgent demand that he call me immediately and not reveal the name.
unidentified		And I happen to know that I am not a mystic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On that note, we're going to have to end it.
		David, I want to thank you.
		We're out of time.
		We're governed by the clock.
		We have no choice.
		Thank you, my friend.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a very busy day, David.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		I suspect that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be safe.
david oates ▲ ● ▼		And you too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		All right.
		That's it, folks.
		We're out of time.
		From the high desert, I'm Mart Bell.
		Good night.
unidentified		The talk station, AM 1500 KSTP.

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