David John Oates, reverse speech pioneer, reveals hidden backward messages in NASA tapes—Don Savage and Ray Villard’s statements uncover claims like "there is life" on Mars and "Mars set this ray gun," hinting at suppressed extraterrestrial knowledge. His analysis of Victor’s Area 51 leaks, despite voice changers, allegedly exposes alien deaths ("some we lost") and a fifth force for telepathic propulsion. Skeptics question legitimacy, but Oates insists congruence between forward and reversed speech validates his findings, suggesting governments and agencies harbor unconscious truths about cosmic threats and cover-ups. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones stretching from the Hawaiian and Titian Island chains all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands and south into South America, north to the Pole worldwide on the internet.
We ought to call it Worldwide AM or something.
Good morning, everybody.
This is actually Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Marcelle.
And tonight we are going to take, we're going to delve into the world of reverse speech.
And so prepare yourself.
This should be more than just a little interesting, I would say.
The man we're going to be interviewing is Ben John Oates.
He is the originator of reverse speech.
I know there are a lot of new people with us who have never heard of reverse speech.
So we will endeavor in the first segment to tell you what it is, why it is, that sort of thing.
And then in the next segment, we will do reversals on, well, I wonder how many of you remember when Ray Villard and Don Savage were my guests from NASA.
They spent several hours with us.
And there have been extensive reversals done on the guys from NASA.
And then, of course, there was the mysterious Victor.
Victor, who says that he smuggled an alien video, an interrogation video of an alien from Area 51.
And he used a voice changer.
Remember that?
So the mysterious Victor will also be reversed.
And now, what is reversed speech and why is it important?
Well, if you've never heard David John Oates, you're about to find out.
David has a speech impediment himself, has had all his life.
That led him into the study of speech in general.
And then he kind of stumbled into reverse speech, not what the Beatles did by putting reverse phrases intentionally into music, but rather utterances of human beings that when reversed tend to,
and we'll talk about all this in a moment, tend to be like a great lie detector or a confirmation of that which you are saying forward.
It is truly an interesting, interesting, if not fascinating, technology that has been now recognized by the U.S. government.
We'll talk about that.
And we'll find out about the recent fire.
Now, I want to tell everybody right off the bat several things.
Number one, we've got a studio cam.
And you will tonight see a modification of the studio cam.
Tonight, you'll be able to see a shot from the front and the rear.
In some shots, you will see a front-on picture of me doing the radio program.
In other shots, you will see a second camera, which is automatically sequencing and provides a shot of the studio console that I've got here and the operating position and all the rest of that.
So we have made a very serious modification to the studio cam, and I think you'll enjoy it.
Provides a little variety.
It'll be interesting to see how much detail you're able to make out.
So if you want to see me doing the program, not that I would necessarily go watch a radio guy, I'm not sure I would.
They are nearly photographic quality images, and they change all the time.
And every now and then you're going to catch me doing something probably I ought not be doing.
And I'm sure everybody will squirrel and save those away to use for embarrassing me at a later moment.
Like something said in reverse that you didn't want known.
So, such is life.
We're having a lot of fun with this.
Anyway, we've got two shots now.
And all you've got to do is go on up to the website and log in at www.artbell.com and look for where it says, it'll say, under the new items there, it'll say live studio cam.
In the case of my family, it was a malformed muscle on the base of the tongue.
And my father had an operation in his early preaching years.
Dad was a country minister, and after his first two years of giving sermons and stuttering quite severely, he finally went in and got the operation done, and it cured him immediately.
I haven't gone that route.
I've chosen to use my stutter as a gauge for my self-confidence and the way I'm communicating and my own congruity.
Well, especially when I first started my broadcast, you know, I was thinking about the millions of people out listening to me and they would immediately shut me down.
But nowadays, I just try to think, well, I'm just talking, talking to you, and I forget the others out there.
The theory I'm proposing is that language is twofold.
That as the human brain is constructing the sounds of speech, it's putting those speech sounds together in such a manner that we are delivering two messages at once.
The first one is consciously or forwards, which is how you're speaking to me now.
And the second message, or reverse speech, is embedded automatically backwards into our normal speech.
So that literally, if human speech is recorded and played backwards, once every five or ten seconds, depends on the emotional content of the conversation, you will hear very clear and grammatically correct sentences that in most cases have a direct relationship to what's being spoken forward.
Right, and again, the more emotional the person is.
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Correct, and it's extremely predictable in point of fact.
In a strong argument situation, you may get reversals once every two or three seconds.
If you've got a public speech where someone's reading a script and they're extremely left brains, there's not much emotion, you will get the once every 30 seconds to a minute.
You know, when people fight, I mean, really fight, like husbands and wives or bosses and employees or whatever, and they really get into a heated argument.
One thing people always say to each other is, well, we were in a fight, and you know, you always say things you don't mean when you get in a fight.
What they really mean is, I think, you always say things you do mean when you get in a big fight.
You know, as you were talking about that, I just happen to think about that, that people will say, well, I always say things I don't mean when I really get angry.
It's really not that way at all.
Really, things start flying they do mean and they come out unintentionally.
So when they give speeches, and I don't refer just to our president or to any particular politician, although our president is particularly good at it, they are smoothly and slickly lying to us many times.
And is that so easily discernible by the process of reverse speech?
However, you have the disadvantage of the fact that they are frequently reading from a script and are very left-brained in their approach, and so consequently, the reversals drop off.
I would love to get some of these politicians off camera when the lights aren't on them, and then, man, you could have a field day, but what we hear on the media is a slick, a smooth presentation, which by its very nature reduces the number of reversals that you will find.
And particularly recently, for some reason, Bill Clinton's been producing far fewer reversals than what he did in his early years.
Well, in a way, one would seem to suggest the other.
I mean, why would they recognize as a valid occupation something that is not valid?
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A good question.
I guess I'm just trying to reform the distinction between an occupation and a certified science.
I don't want to come out and say the United States government recognizes this as a science because that is not what the Department of Labour Certification is.
But yes, you're quite right.
In our proposal, we put forward a mountain of facts and they went through and accepted it.
I was actually quite stunned, quite frankly, when I got the acceptance.
But yeah, it means that we do have some recognition, as does the state of California recognise me as an instructive language pathology.
We have a university in Australia currently, the Monash University out of Melbourne, Australia, who have just in the last couple of months begun the first field studies or the first official studies where they are trying to replicate my very early experiments.
Arson Suspicions Revealed00:04:13
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So we are now, so I've actually finally started the long process for official academic acceptance of this as a brand new science.
Under what you continue to feel are completely suspicious circumstances.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely suspicious circumstances.
There is no doubt in any of our minds that this was arson.
We've since had two independent arson investigators out at the scene who can pinpoint the source of the blaze, where it began, and are absolutely convinced it's arson.
Now, in addition to that, I actually have the first 20 minutes of the house fire on audio tape.
I was in session with a client at the time, and we had, wherever I'm doing my sessions, you know, obviously I'm recording them, and I'll play you a couple of sections on that tape.
But the most amazing thing is I didn't find this tape for three weeks after the fire.
We were just cleaning off some of the equipment that still survived, and there was my tape.
And when you run the tapes, once everyone is out of the house and before the fire department comes, there is people.
Well, at least one person in the house rummaging through drawers and filing cabinets.
You can hear filing cabinets, drawers open, and papers being shuffled.
And then at one stage, about 15 minutes into the blaze.
My guest is David John Oates, and what you have ahead, oh, what a treat you have ahead.
So stay right where you are.
Reverse speech night, NASA, Victor, coming up.
A couple of items that I would consider quickening items.
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One last thing, a 12-year-old boy in the northeastern U.S. was taken into custody after he hacked his way into the NASA website on at least two occasions and rewrote the page to read something like, stop the cover-up.
It's our money.
Do what we tell you.
Tell us the truth.
FBI says charges are pending.
So we'll find out about that.
All of that relating, well, most of it anyway, to what I call the quickening.
And that is a process of acceleration in the world that I have written about in my book called The Quickening.
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What would you think is proper to begin with in terms of trying to give people sort of a beginning idea, those who have not heard it, what reverse speech is?
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Okay, well, you know, I did have the fire tape queued up, but let's go before that.
This is a classic example of what reverse speech is.
This is a segment taken 10 years ago when I first began my work.
And I'm saying forwards, I've been suddenly thrust into this role where people come to me and say, David, I want to know what's going on inside my head.
And actually, let me just do one more on Patsy Ramsey, and then we'll move off of this on to a different topic.
And this is right at the very beginning of her press conference where she introduces herself.
And see, this is the implications of reverse speech.
Once every 10 or 15 seconds, as clear as these ones I'm playing you now, the unconscious mind is putting out very clear and precise phrases that are what we are thinking and feeling at the time of speaking.
And yeah, we'll just keep it down to two speeds, I think.
Crisis, when we get on to the NASA reversal, I've got so many to get through.
And I just find it fascinating about what you said on the break about the hacker getting in and saying, NASA, reveal the truth, because that's what will happen in a very short time.
All right, look, let's change our plans a little bit.
I want to do the fire reversals or the fire tape, I guess it is, after midnight.
Let's continue to give everybody an idea of what it's about.
And so give me a couple of, first give me a couple of classic baby reverse speeches, and then give me some of the newer baby reverse speeches that you've got.
Now, everybody should know that children, apparently, before they can talk at all in a forward direction, produce reverse speech that is coherent, that really says something.
This will amaze you.
Listen very, very carefully.
Give me a few of the classics first.
unidentified
Okay, this is an example where I just moved my daughter from one room to another.
And that little sound, Mima Maida, reverses to, I now come here.
We're going to have to do that again from the beginning.
This, folks, is baby gibberish, boo-goo-boo-boo type thing.
And you wouldn't think it would mean anything.
But what this suggests, I suppose, is that children are able to express thoughts in reverse, in intelligent speech, before they can speak coherently in the forward direction.
What does that suggest, by the way, about the brain, to you?
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Oh, well, I think the brain is operating, the brain is constructing speech backwards, obviously before it does forwards, but it shows that the human brain is far more complex than what we've ever dreamed of.
I think intelligent functions are beginning from a very, very early age.
And I mean, when you just consider the mental contortions necessary to form language, both forwards and backwards, it just gives you some idea of the power of the human mind.
And when we're young and innocent, we have not yet been corrupted.
And as we get older, we learn to adopt the ways of the world.
And the forward speech begins, and the conscious mind begins to function, and that suppresses the unconscious mind, which is where reverse speech is coming from.
All right, everybody should know this is done with a regular old tape recorder, just running forward, recording something, and then at the same speed, reversing it.
Over the years, have you become, has your ear become good enough that you can actually know when a reverse speech would be the right word, right there, when it has occurred?
In other words, as you listen to somebody forward.
unidentified
Yes, I've pretty much become accustomed to it.
I can certainly recognize where they are occurring.
I've learned to, I think my intuition has become far sharper over the years.
And you can recognize the tonality, the different tonal shifts, and what one tone means as opposed to another.
And I'm a certified hypnotherapist, and there are instances of people under deep hypnosis where you can actually program the mind for them to hear reversals on a conscious level and to actually hear them as they are occurring in speech.
And then you're getting very close to real mind reading.
And, yeah, the deal was I was chasing her around the room with a tape player, and she suddenly reached out for it, and she saw it and reached out to grab it.
Classic baby sound, and backwards she says, what's that?
And the interesting thing is she actually mentions my name, and that's one of the great things about reverse speech is you get names of people and places and towns in reverse, which is fantastic for finding out information.
Well, when we get into adult reverse speech, though, that theory gets blown away because consistently, and everybody's got to think about this, the reversals are exactly trailing along with the content of what is being said forward.
In other words, they are revealing either of the truth or a lie, but in some way it relates to what's being said forward.
And then when we come back, look out because there's some pretty heavy stuff coming.
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He is the originator and the master of reverse speech, that said by the brain that is captured on tape in the forward direction, revealed in an eerie kind of way many times, in reverse, but quite legible.
You be the judge.
What you're about to hear as we proceed in this hour is I had guests, Ray Villard and Don Savage from NASA.
Now, David has spent hours poring over those tapes and as well the tapes of Victor.
Both of them he describes as extremely interesting and controversial.
And so I have not heard them.
I'll tell you right up front.
I have not heard them.
So I'll be hearing them with you in a moment.
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Now, we have described it to you before, but there was a fire at Reverse Speech, to be frank.
The building was burned to the ground.
And David later discovered, interestingly, a tape.
A tape.
A tape that was running while the fire was burning.
And David, I'll let you tell them about it.
Let's go to that and find out exactly what occurred.
What was on that tape that surprised you?
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Well, what surprised me primarily was the fact that after everyone was out of the house, there was at least one person, probably two people, still in the house, ruffling through filing cabinets, opening drawers.
The amazing thing is, I don't know how they were in there unless they were wearing fire-breathing equipment, because within three minutes, anyone in there would have choked, but they were in there for 15 minutes.
So I want to play just one section of that, but before I do that, I want to play probably what is one of the most stunning reversals I have found in my career, and that is right at the time the fire broke out.
And I'm going to play this tape now.
You'll hear me in session with a client.
And then my secretary suddenly runs into the room and says, David, the house is on fire.
The sense of the plant changes.
The sense of what?
Yes!
What?
Okay, now, when we run that in reverse, I mean, you can hear the emotion in her voice.
And you can go and listen to them all on my website.
Actually, let me just play one more.
This is on John Ramsey.
This reversal actually sent chills down my spine.
He just finished talking forwards about a little girl who he was corresponding with about the death of John Bonet.
One of the things about reverse speech is that what we say in forward speech will frequently prompt reversals immediately after revealing unconscious patterns.
Perhaps differently than you would expect in believing that there really is a lot of goodness in the world.
And that's been an outcome that I think we certainly wouldn't have anticipated with this time.
And backwards, he says, nice, nice little girl, let me look, let me nurse you, you get down on my fire.
And there's a little bit of difference before the nice little girl and let me look.
Nice little girl, let me look, let me nurse you, you get down on my fire.
And as I say, once every 10 seconds of speech, I keep on saying that over and over again, but it's just the reality of the situation.
And I personally believe that once this technology is accepted, it will cause monumental shockwaves throughout society because it means that the human mind is no longer private.
And all the secrets that we have been trying to find for decades, certainly ever since the tape recorder has been invented, is now available for anyone to come and hear.
I mean, I came to America very naive, I must admit.
I kind of figured everyone will be thrilled to bits about this.
But I've begun to see that people have a strong invested interest on keeping their secrets hidden, and any technology that reveals that has got to be extremely threatening to the power structures.
I can't see how our society can survive unless we come to a state of truth and honesty and congruity.
I've been doing this for 14 years and some of the things that I find, I have difficulty believing myself because we've just been programmed to, we are presented with an image of how our society is, and we've been brought up with that from birth.
Cute Reversals Found00:05:02
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But what we see on the surface is just an inkling of what's really going on underneath and the power players and political backdoor negotiations.
I'm only a very casual listener to all of this, neophyte with all of this, but I'm getting a little better.
And what I've started to learn is reverse speech seems to occur in pauses and in little sounds that almost don't make sense going forward, injected with what does make sense, of little glitchy areas of a conversation.
All right.
The reason I ask that question is because with your speech impediment, when you stutter, how does that come out in reverse?
unidentified
Well, a very good question because my actual stutter itself does not contain reversals.
My natural, you know, the normal stutters I have every day do, but when I actually get into my stutter that's caused by the physical problem on my tongue, there are no reversals on that.
David, I've got to ask again, because here it is again.
I just don't understand this.
When you do babies, when you do children, we get this eerie, ethereal, weird sound that comes from it that just, you know, and people are going to suggest that the ethereal sound comes from the fact that you're in a bathroom, you're getting an echo.
But it just ain't so.
Because I've heard you do adults in echoey rooms, and you don't get that same sound.
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It's just something about the language construction of kids that I don't understand myself.
And hopefully when the academic community finally begin to take my work seriously, they'll be able to come up with an answer for that very thing, you know.
So here's one that someone emailed me, and I actually just got this one this week, and it's a kid who's getting his diaper changed.
To learn what your child is thinking even before it says so forward?
And, you know, I wonder if in all cases that would be good.
unidentified
Well, obviously, my whole approach is we must find and understand the truth and become congruent because we have been shutting ourselves off from what's going on both with our kids and our friends and our society for too long.
I guess as background, everybody should understand that for years now, I have been interviewing Richard Hoagland and others who have talked about the phase on Mars, the missions to Mars, NASA generally.
And finally, NASA sent me a letter and requested to come on the program with two of their public relations people, one for the Hubble Telescope and one for NASA itself.
The two gentlemen, Ray Villard and Don Savage, spent three hours on the air with me, and we asked them some very, I would say, fair but difficult questions based on these years that we've been doing shows that accused NASA of cover-up and all the rest of it.
And so they were responding to all of that.
And of course, we taped it.
And of course, we sent David good quality tapes of that interview.
And so what you're about to hear is the result of the backwards speech research on NASA.
unidentified
Okay, now I've got a lot of reversals to get through, so we're going to move through these fairly fast.
I presume that one of the chaps, Ray, was a little bit more than the public relations officer by his very first reversal.
The selection on who gets to use Hubble is made by committees, peer-reviewed committees of other astronomers who come to Baltimore, meet at the Institute.
They sort through the proposals, make their recommendations to our director.
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Now, I'd like to know what proposals they're really sorting through, because this reversal says what's locked up with their starship.
And again, again, ladies and gentlemen, this points out, if you are in doubt or sitting out there going, what a bunch of BS, you better keep listening to the congruence between forward and reverse speech.
In other words, you would expect if it was a 100-monkey theory, that you might get legible things in reverse, but they would not relate to what's being said forward.
And again, here we have a tremendous example of congruence in both directions, if not consistency.
Certainly, if you do the math, the probability is very high, almost 100%, that there is life out there and a very good chance that there's intelligent life somewhere else.
I want to ask you to be absolutely honest with me.
If you don't mind, David, it's a hard question, but it goes to the heart of what we're talking about right now.
As you do research, say, on a three-hour program like this, where you've got a lot of material, how many apparent reversals do you find that are not congruent either as a lie or confirming a truth?
How many reversals of that kind do you find?
unidentified
Well, to be honest, I really don't find any.
I do find reversals that sometimes are not in contact with what they're saying at that particular time, but then they'll talk about that topic a half an hour later.
I didn't find them on this particular one, though.
unidentified
But I would say 90% of all the reversals, probably more than that, 95% have direct relationship, if not to what's been spoken at that particular time, to a topic that comes up 10 or 15, 20 minutes later.
Now, there are some reversals that are metaphoric in their context.
They will use bizarre words like the wolf is running in the Garden of Eden.
Right, and I don't play those ones on the air usually.
Victor's got a few of those that actually do make sense.
I'm going to play a couple of those when I get to him.
Those ones I tend not to play because they get a bit obscure.
But see, it's really the convincer for me about this whole technology, quite frankly, is that the reversals relate directly to what's being spoken forward.
And that is so in practically every case.
There are the exceptions, as I said, but they are rare exceptions.
Certainly, if you do the math, the probability is very high, almost 100%, that there is life out there and a very good chance that there's intelligent life somewhere out there.
Remember, with things in reverse that are discussing literally a technology and a knowledge that we are not familiar with, so I'm not surprised that they are Saying things that are clear, but that we don't fully understand.
There's some technical terms, and I'll play, you know, I will play those ones that I don't know what they mean, but I'm sure some of your listeners out there who have technical scientific background is going to know exactly what these mean.
And here's one talking about the reception of intelligent radio signals.
In the past, patterns have been found, and then they determined later on that these were actually from natural phenomenon leading to, in fact, some very interesting astronomical discoveries.
And I'm hoping that this broadcast is going to get some people to admit.
And here we have an interesting one that actually doesn't directly relate to what he's saying forwards at this particular time, but it leads up to the reversals on the face on Mars.
And so you've got to realize with reversals, you're actually getting footnotes from the unconscious is probably a far better term than the total truth.
You just get little snippets of thoughts here and there, you know, and you've really got to put the whole picture together.
And this is interesting because there's a reversal right at the very end of the tape, a few reversals away, about he's talking about something he's not too sure what it is.
Sometime last year, in the middle of last year, there was a proposal or request for proposals that NASA sent out, which we do periodically for various spacecraft programs.
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And, okay, now he's obviously upset Europa was canceled.
And he says in reverse, why Mess the Scientist was awful.
Better yet, tonight, we've got two studio cams going with a video sequencer.
Thanks to Bob Crane.
Thank you, Bob Crane.
And you will see two views, one of me forward of my face, and then occasionally it will sequence to the back camera, which takes a shot of my console and the broadcast equipment, all the rest of that.
Or perhaps off to the side.
So there you have it.
If you want to go to my website and take a look, It's www.artbell.com.
And look in the new area.
It will say Live Studio Cam.
That should now be plural.
And take a look, and you'll see me sitting here doing a radio program for whatever that is worth.
All right.
Now, if you don't have a computer and you don't want a computer, but you want to be able to get on the web to be able to do this sort of thing, then what you need and what you should want is web TV.
And with this refund excitement about Europa, and then, of course, these two missions that were proposed that weren't selected, I think that there was some disappointment.
unidentified
And disappointment is correct.
And backwards, he says, a shame we see something in it.
We certainly are very enthusiastic about exploring space and want to get back out there and certainly look forward to getting the International Space Station up and running and hope that that could lead to exploration of the moon and Mars.
unidentified
And he says in reverse, heard they had this warning.
Well, if they want to get hold of the reversing machines, for example, so you can find these reversals yourself.
As far as I'm aware, we're the only place in the world that sells equipment to locate reversals.
Also, my book is fascinating reading.
It goes right into the theories, the reverse speech, the technical tests I've done, reversals on politicians.
And the latest thing is the correspondence course, which we only just released two months ago that is doing exceptionally well.
It might sound easy on the air when I play these reversals.
You know, you can think you can just run a tape back and find it, but there is a lot of training necessary to learn how to do this accurately.
And we've just released a correspondence course that people can take and learn this technology themselves.
You know, and for tape analysis work and tapes, I mean, there's tapes you can purchase.
Well, you can purchase these tapes of the NASA reversals, I guess, and Ramseys and Rift machines and there we go, the whole lot, just to get in contact with us.
And I would love if there's any academic institution out there who wants to conduct some independent tests of their own, I would love to hear from you.
I'm looking for as much academic support and endorsement of this work as I possibly can.
Well, the scientific position, I guess, is that we have a very limited data set.
We've got, I think, about nine images from the Viking era, which was the Viking missions were orbiting and also two landers, but two orbiters of Mars from that.
unidentified
Okay, so you're talking about the Viking missions, right?
When you're doing these, I know it's a long, arduous process.
Are you sure that you don't enter it and proceed in the project with a bias that you form?
In other words, you hear a couple of reversals.
They seem to be not congruent with, for example, the NASA diet.
These are terrible.
And so are you sure that you don't reject the ones that show congruence and begin to form your own bias and then pick the ones that show incongruence?
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That's obviously a very good question.
And there is, you know, and obviously like all people, I do have some bias when I approach my work.
I document everything that I find, whether it agrees with my position or not.
There could be an argument said that if something doesn't personally agree with my belief system, I may not hear that.
That's a valid argument that one could put forward.
But the space on Mars reversals, in order to overcome my bias, I did this in front of the whole class.
We did this on, we had about, I think, 15 students on the weekend analysing this tape.
So we had many different point of views.
And the bias I had approaching the Mars project, quite frankly, was, well, you know, this was that, well, when I first heard the Mars Set This Ray Gun, I, quite frankly, didn't believe it.
I could not believe what I was hearing.
And I questioned myself, this is crazy, what can this be?
And I was shocked by it.
So if I had a bias on the Mars one, it was, I don't believe this.
I don't want to play this publicly because I just don't.
It's not something that I've tried to present my technology in a neutral manner in my previous programs.
You'll recall I played reversals at least controversially as possible because I don't want to get involved in UFO conspiracy theories, even though it's a field I'm interested in, or UFOs as such.
But that's the best way I can answer the question.
Obviously, there is a bias, and as much as that has stopped me from hearing reversals that contradict my belief system, I try to get my students to analyze this.
I mean, if you're doing this with students in the room, then do you find that they begin hearing things that you miss because of a bias?
unidentified
Yes, that is true.
And in point of fact, the reason why I did the face on Mars in front of the class, this particular section, because I found three or four reversals when I did it myself that were shocking to me.
And I did it in front of class to get another opinion to find more.
And in point of fact, we found about 20, 20 more.
And, you know, it's impossible for one person to hear them all, quite frankly.
I've been doing it for 14 years, and I missed 70% of the most significant reversals on the mass date.
We are doing reversals now on the NASA guests we had, Ray Villard and Don Savage.
And these are flat-out mind blowers.
Oh, my.
More to come in a moment.
All right.
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Well, what they hope they can get with possibly the medium resolution camera is a swath of territory that would include a pretty decent, probably much better resolution than we got with FIGE.
unidentified
Okay, now this reversal, we went over it several times because there's a very significant word in here.
The actual reversal says, making a shield with uranium, they build a soft spot.
Now the uranium, I actually thought it was pronounced as iranium, not uranium.
But one of my students in class who wants to remain anonymous has a very good friend who's a scientist for NASA.
And he rang this chap up who also wants to remain anonymous.
So you've got to realize this is sort of second-hand information.
And he asked him, what do they mean by uranium or iradium?
And he said, and this is a quote, he said, when pressed, NASA admit that they are planning a mission to Mars where they're going to shoot depleted uranium projectiles to knock loose soil samples so the orbiter can scoop them up more easily.
And the one I played earlier, Fly By the Weapon, if you remembered that, I made a particular point of that and said, you know, this is a theme coming up.
And the whole theme I'm getting in this Mars reversal is that they suspect there's something down in Mars.
I think there was one reversal I can't play, it just wasn't clear enough.
But the whole hint is that either they've been shot at or something's happened and they're going back, I think, armed and shielded to have a look and see what's there.
And this next reversal is amusing.
You'll hear him actually stuttering and stammering, trying to explain the place on Mars away.
And they have always included that on the list of images that they want to get to try to understand the terrain better and how the features may have been geologically formed in effect.
unidentified
And where he stutters er, um, er, reversal says, my answer, not up to it.
I don't think that the scientists and planetary geologists that I've talked to feel that there's just not enough there to convince them that this is anything but a natural formation.
In other words, you've had these up on your website, so there have been people who have been hearing these prior to the program, and they were so shocked, they said, you better not play these on the air.
What freaks me out about all of this so far is that while a lot of them do relate to things we can understand and be suspicious about, a lot of it, although clear, is clearly of things that we don't understand, which is what you would expect, but it is still congruent with the material.
What we're doing now is starting on the right path, which is to catalog and identify all of the Earth-crossing asteroids that could potentially threaten the Earth.
And we think there's probably about 2,000.
Nuke It, They're Saying00:00:59
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I believe we have, and backwards, it says, nuke it, they're all saying it's out there.
And if you've been listening for the last hour and a half or so and you're not hitting the floor, then you're not listening.
And I'll tell you, I'm just getting facts after facts after facts.
Art, I'm floored.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry all the years, all the money, all the lies.
We need a top-to-bottom review of NASA open to the public, and we need it now.
Absolutely, absolutely amazing.
And it just goes on and on and on.
I've got facts after facts after facts.
I find David's reverse speech most fascinating.
Everything he's given in review from the two NASA gentlemen has been discussed in detail over the past several years by, and I can't make out whose name that is, of Leading Edge magazine, and also Alex Collier, a contactee of the Andromedas.
Please, please start putting all the pieces together for Beyond the Quickening.
I don't know.
You know, never say Never, but yeah, the quickening.
If you would like to get a copy of The Quickening as an actual autographed edition, assuming that here's another one: dynamite stuff, it says simply.
It is dynamite stuff.
Gosh, and you're about to hear Victor to get a copy of The Quickening on the way to you while we still have copies to send of the second printing, first edition, autographed copy.
That is a voice changer, and that is what Victor was using when we did the interview.
Now, there was some initial thought that because of the voice changer, which does not change the speed, but rather the pitch of the voice, that David would not be able to do reversals.
45 minutes from now, I will have finished my last public pronouncement because this business with Jeff and the phone numbers is not part of the agreement.
Okay, and this one's first of us is slightly metaphoric, but it's significant.
And this actually got my backup, too, when I found this one.
And it says, this will serve my muscle sensational.
And his muscle, his strength, he's looking for some backing and some, you know, some, and he admitted himself, he's looking for money to protect himself.
The dog and pony show of a medical team and the physical abilities of these beings is one of the constant sources of paranoia and chaos within the administration of these programs.
He obviously doesn't like the way they're treated because backwards he says E.T. was here to live and walk.
In other words, they're not being treated the way they're meant to be.
Some of this is so clear, it's going to have to be left to the audience to decide what it is that's meant by this.
And I assure you, we're going to hear from the audience on what's meant.
So, you know, people followed this very closely.
Anyway, continue.
unidentified
And you said you've got a lot of facts, because I've gotten, I've just downloaded 52 emails, so I'm getting them too.
So, okay, here we go.
You'll light this one up.
And has a man has a constant and ever-growing stream of data supposedly emanating from them, and yet is incapable of consistently using this technology.
And then reverse, he says, art believes in you all.
Now, these next two reversals I'm going to play you now were the only two reversals that made me suspect there's something fishy about the video itself.
While the information he's giving is obviously true, these two reversals have me wondering about the video.
That was another statement that Mr. Schreiber, Sieber, he made on your program.
What I hear is, I think, produced, I hear that clearly, but I'm not sure about close-up.
unidentified
I'm not sure of it either, you know, and I really wasn't going to play it, but I figured I should because it's, you know, it's certainly not enough to say the video is fake.
Right.
Produced, ultra.
Anyway, so there we go, for what it's worth.
I certainly wouldn't use that reversal to say it was fake.
Interesting, because when they use lie detectors, the one person that can seem to get past a lie detector is a pathological liar.
unidentified
It's tricky in reverse, I must admit that.
But it will not confirm their lie.
It will communicate the reverse in such a fashion that seems to confirm it, but there will be a word or two here and there that contradicts it.
But what you really get is, and this is where skilled analysis comes in, when you get down to the metaphoric level of reverse speech, which I really haven't ever talked about on this program, but it's certainly the far greater portion of it.
The deep reversals from the unconscious will clearly show that this man is lying.
So you really got two levels of reversals.
On the conscious mind, you will get a seeming confirmation, but there will be a subtle twist to show that it's not.
But the real trick comes down in the metaphors, and the metaphors will definitely show that it is a lie, why he's lying.
All right, this is for my technical audience, David.
I don't understand it myself, but it's somebody who made something out of one of the reversals that the both of us did not understand.
Dear Art, the use of uranium as a shield with possible combinations of solutions of urinal oxalate have been used not only as shielding from radioactivity, but also to measure the number of photons present in a beam of light.
This would indeed include lasers and measurement of energy output and spectrum.
Thought you might want to consult with Richard on this.
It's a little bit out of context, but you've just asked him about their moving from Area 51 to S5, and this is after he says that, or I think it's just before it isn't.
On your own show, with Whitley's Street Bright, there was something he said that struck me so singularly that I wrote it down.
And as a sound, I have it here on a scrap of paper.
He said, this is the face that mankind is turning to this other world.
And I suppose, to some extent, that was my motive for attempting to place this before the public.
Two reversals here, not in complete context what he's saying for.
Now, we're getting to some very significant reversals.
This one here I will have to explain.
This also gets in the metaphoric statement, nature reverse speech, but it's such an important reversal.
I definitely want to play this.
Okay, he's talking about how people who've been taken by aliens are left wandering in the wilderness.
They have appeared in an incomprehensible panoply of circumstances in front of private individuals who are then left, metaphorically speaking, wandering in the wilderness.
And he speaks metaphorically backwards.
Versal says, send a whirlwind.
You know ET's your friend.
Send a whirlwind you're not when we hit your girlfriend.
Send a whirlwind you're not when we hit your girlfriend.
Send a whirlwind you're not when we hit your girlfriend.
Okay, let me just, if I've got a little bit of, let me just quickly try and explain the significance of the whirlwind.
It's an extremely important metaphor in reverse speech.
Reverse speech goes into great depth about the human senses that we have and our functions and how that all interrelates.
And the metaphor whirlwind refers to what reverse speech describes as a fifth energy force that surrounds the Earth.
Reverse speech goes into great detail about it, about how all of us are connected spiritually or metaphorically to everyone else through an energy field that surrounds the planet.
And some of my own private research I've done with UFOs talk about how the ETs or aliens use this whirlwind to fly their craft and to communicate telepathically.
And it's a strong theme in reverse that I've done a lot of private work on and I've never released any of my findings on that.
And so when he's saying send a whirlwind, you know ET is your friend, he's saying connect up telepathically, go back to source, so to speak, if that makes any sense.
I mean, if they were flying over the face of Mars, if they were really shot at, and now they're going back armed to the heels, I mean, what right do we have to do this?
Oh, well, you know, on at least our, by the way, consistent with what Mr. Streeber's reaction was when he saw the video.
Right.
He was angry and sad, and I guess I can hear why.
unidentified
Yeah, well, you know, these beings have come from heaven knows where to deliver whatever message they have to deliver, and we're treating them like the Nazis treated the Jews during World War II, you know?
I wonder, I have ADD, and I've noticed some really weird things with its natural, it's real natural for me to want to go backwards and to look at things in that kind of direction.
See, I believe that reversing functions in the human mind are very natural.
The brain operates forwards and backwards.
The left and right brain hemispheres are mirror images of each other.
And I think many people slip into that mode just automatically.
It could be caused by a crosswiring of the mind.
I don't totally understand what happens.
And I think that as we begin to accept that this exists and it is real, we can understand the way the human mind functions a lot better than what we do now.
Because I wonder if, it sounds to me like it's possible that what many call dyslexia is actual and normal function.
How were you impacted, Robert, by the NASA reversals?
They were...
What did you think of those?
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I was involved, Mr. Bell, in NASA with companies that were subcontractors throughout Los Angeles.
And I saw and heard many things through the years.
It appalls me.
I don't believe them.
This facts that you received about taking care, Mr. Bell, and this victor, I just want to say whoever that victor is, we, the people of America, along with Mr. Bell, we made Adolf Hitler angry also.
There's too many lies and there's too much cover-up.
It keeps us in the dark.
We never used to be this way.
I think it's appalling.
Seriously.
And I think we need to somehow unite.
We need answers.
But my question, Mr. Oates, is about this production company that Victor went to.
Yes.
Have you had a chance to listen to his interviews with that production company?
And if not, can you get a hold of them to reverse speech them as well?
Well, no, I have not listened to them.
The only material I have is the type of the interview with Art Bell.
And, well, strangely enough, I did a little experiment, and I want to know if this ever happened to any people that you interview.
On the yacht back, just for the heck of it, I just put it forward, demons, they haunt me.
And in reverse, he came back, the body's not yours.
I want to know, because with a guest that a future guest that, or did have with Father Melcho Martin.
Right.
Yeah.
If you had any experience with anything to that similar reversal.
Well, for a start, you can't base something on just one reversal.
You need to see a lot more than that.
I have deliberately steered away from the spiritual aspect of reverse speech, particularly the satanic, demonic side, because I wanted to divorce myself from the old religious fundamentals back masking thing.
There is a strong spiritual element to reverse speech.
If you choose to approbe that side of it, you will get some answers.
But I would advise you not to get worried over just one reversal.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi.
I was wondering, you call him Victor?
Now, on one of the things that said he feels lost, was Victor maybe reprogrammed or different things done to him to make him different?
Maybe he's lost because he developed something within himself.
Maybe he's an entity within himself.
It's hard to give an answer to that question.
I think that he was just overwhelmed by the emotional experience of connecting to the ETs, but they do have that reversal.
They grow in my head, but what does that mean?
It's just one isolated reversal.
I think that I feel lost was actually referring to the overwhelming emotions he felt connecting to these beings.
Well, the emotional feeling that he felt was that maybe did they try to maybe eliminate that from him and couldn't and took his intelligence away, so now he feels lost, not as a whole?
I really couldn't answer that question.
I'd just be guessing.
I can only go with what the reversals tell me, and he seems to be a very intelligent, articulate man by his forces, as I would speak.
Yeah, I would say he is.
When this happened to him, was it in the year of 1994 that he became lost by chance?
And actually, the one prophecy I like to quote is Jesus said in the last days, every secret hidden in the heart of man will be shouted from the highest mountaintops.
And I think that's part of the mission of his speech.
Just to get my little religious plug in there.
Well, you're doing a great job, and I'm really, really fascinated with the program tonight.
It's just mind-blowing.
You know, it's doing a great job, too.
You know, I just can't thank you enough for this is like what this program is like a key that's opened the door.
And I can just see what's going to happen from this point on.
There still has not been a single solitary shred of evidence of anything dishonest that I have done in my public life, not only as governor, or not only as governor and his president.
And backwards, he says, denied the habit, and I said, damn you.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Oates.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art.
And David, this is Rex from Green Bay.
Hi, Rex.
Hi, David.
what do you recommend for a person to start getting involved with reverse speech?
Well I'm glad you asked that question.
Um I suggest that first of all you get a hold of a re a reversing machine which we sell at my office.
You can call 1-800-669-5789.
Get hold of my book which we also sell and if you're serious about it I've been doing I've been training people in reverse speech now for about 10 years.
I have a year-long training program one weekend a month that I begin every year in San Diego but the training program is now available as a correspondence course so you can roll in and learn how to do it correctly and you will become certified at the end of a year.
The first step obviously is to get a machine and you can get them through us.
Well, yeah, you can't listen to all of this without feeling that way.
There's no question about it.
And this is not quite getting kicked in the shin physically, but it's as close as you're going to get, I think.
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And also, I've always been a little bit cynical about the government, but I'm a lot more cynical right now.
And I think with programs like this, I think that this just takes a lot of the trust and the belief in the government and what's going on.
And I just hope there's some way that all the Americans that are listening right now can affect NASA in some way from putting pressure on the legislators to really put some pressure on NASA.
But right now, Ark, my mind is so blown.
I swear that I don't know how many cigarettes I've smoked just trying to calm myself down, but I'm thoroughly amazed.
And I just want to say, God bless you, and God bless David there.
Oh, wow, you guys are just amazing.
And I'm just so blown away that really all I can say and I've just got to get going.
I was wanting to know whether there's been any attempts at other species, that the sounds that the other species that make childlike sounds, if possibly any of those have shown to have any more human-type communication?
I guess you're referring about to animals, I guess.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, I've done no work with animals.
I'm just working with, I've got enough on my mind with humans right now.
I've listened to David a couple of other times, and I wish to say that I'm very sorry that he had to suffer the loss of his home in defense of the truth.
And I know how he must feel about that.
I have one comment and a question.
One comment about producing the word producing or production of the close-up or whatever that was that he said.
Maybe we're reading too much into that.
Maybe it just means that he was the vehicle through which this film was produced.
It's the only reversal I could find that might even possibly cast doubt on the authenticity of the video.
Clearly, his experiences are very, very real.
And other than that, I found no reversal to him that the video was not realized.
Well, I think that this experience with Victor has convinced me more than anything else about the cover-up of Area 51, S4, S5, room-like, whatever you want to call these places out there.
Certainly we have seen that.
Many books have been written about it.
Of course, Willie Streeber has been quite a conversationalist when it comes to this.
And so I have become more of a believer.
And then to listen to your reports concerning the NASA people, I listened to that program.
And I can only say that there is an incredible cover-up.
For those of us that are interested in political truth, weighing the statements of our leaders and ascertaining their honesty, I think that's an incredible area that we should look at.
Right.
Well, I don't think there's any doubt that what we're hearing is not the truth.
It says the question in my mind is how deep does the cover-up go?
And maybe at some time I may devote a program just applying some of those materials, but I'm not ready to do that yet.
That would be an interesting area.
And I think the reason why is because when we have statements like something coming off the surface of Mars and blowing away one of our satellites, we have to pay attention to that.
And I had a very interesting experience because I was actually the recipient of one of those little flung-out, boy, this is a curious ones.
when you were doing a reverse speech analysis of the evening when Courtney Brown was being interviewed and mildly beaten up by Art Bell and Whitley Strieber around that time when...