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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines 'Witch Hunt'

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	Welcome to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from June 3rd, 1997.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the Cates may be, and welcome to yet another edition of Coast to Coast AM.
	From the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains in the west, all the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south into South America, North all the way to the pole and worldwide on ye old internet.
	Thanks to AudioNet in Dallas.
	Thank you, AudioNet in Dallas.
	I'm Art Bell and this is the weird radio program in the nighttime that you've heard about.
	And I'm sure that's what it'll be tonight.
	Let me tell you what's going on.
	Tonight is going to be open lines.
	Anything you guys want to talk about is fine with me.
	As a matter of fact, I'm just about ready to go on a witch hunt.
	I mean a real witch hunt.
	I do this every now and then.
	I've never... One time, I had luck.
	One time, I had luck.
	And I'll explain to you why I want to do that.
	As you... Let's see, tomorrow night, let me take care of that first.
	Tomorrow night is going to be a very serious night, so I intend to have fun tonight.
	Tomorrow night, we are going to have at 11 o'clock, beginning of the show here in the West, Marcia Kite, who is in Denver.
	Marcia Kite, I spoke with her earlier in the day, and she lost her 23-year-old daughter in the explosion at the Murfel Federal Building, and she has attended every day of the trial, save one, when they were doing phone records or something.
	And I thought it would be particularly useful to be able to talk to somebody who's been, who was able to do what we, of course, have not done, aside from her intense interest, obviously, in the trial.
	uh... she has been there and she got here all the evidence we did not get here that which twelve people convicted mister mcveigh heard and so she will be our guest in the first portion of the show and then she will be followed by joyce riley and joyce riley has some absolutely shocking uh... information for you so that's what's coming up tomorrow night you're not gonna want to miss that for sure Um, let me announce I have got, I don't know, probably hundreds of messages.
	And yes, I still have AOL.
	Um, we're in negotiation at the moment, but there are hundreds of messages in there from people who have seen and love our new live studio cam.
	And it's been a blast.
	Absolutely a blast now.
	I'm learning something, that's for sure.
	Have you ever taped, try this just for fun one night, NBC Evening News with Tom Brokaw?
	And as Brokaw does the news, take your remote control, if you've got a good forehead VCR, and freeze frame Brokaw at almost any moment, and he has the dumbest look on his face.
	Tom Brokaw looks like A complete idiot when you freeze frame him.
	And occasionally, and of course that's what this program is doing, about every 30 seconds, it's taking a freeze frame shot of me, processing it in my computer, through my local ISP, to a server in Arizona, where it is then processed and goes out over the net.
	So, you know, if you go up to my website, the first thing you see up there is In new items, live, a studio cam.
	And when you go to it, you get a very, very, very high quality, um, updated photograph every, I don't know, 40 seconds, whatever it is, you know, however often it, uh, it updates, you get it.
	And so it freeze frames me and I never really know how it's going to catch me.
	And so I guess I know how Tom Brokaw feels because there'll be an occasional very flattering photograph.
	And there will be an occasional photograph where your tongue is hanging out.
	It just depends on how the camera catches you at that moment.
	And even though I know when it's going to take the photograph, it counts down in seconds and tells me, all right, boom.
	And then it freezes for a second and starts counting down again.
	So I could look over there and pay attention, but I don't.
	I mean, I can't pay attention to that.
	I've got to pay attention to doing the programming.
	But it's a lot of fun.
	And we're getting rave reviews.
	And we're doing a little tweaking, and for those of you who have been watching the live studio cam, let me tell you what the plans are.
	I would expect in the next two days, we're going to get a video sequencer and another camera, which I am going to mount off to the side so that you can be able to see my studio console, and you'll see me from either the back or the side as well.
	And we will have it sequenced between those two camera shots.
	Keith, at the same time, is tweaking in Arizona and getting things working the way he wants them to work.
	I've actually had people putting together collages into a little moving motion picture of Art Bell in motion.
	You know, with shots this far apart, I'm not sure it's meaningful, but they're doing it out there.
	And I'm getting a lot of people who are sending me back renditions of what they have received on their end.
	The whole thing is a blast.
	And we're going to do one other thing tonight.
	This is radio with television.
	Pretty weird stuff, folks.
	The other thing that we are going to do tonight is my wife has agreed to come in.
	And so you're going to get to see my wife.
	I can't tell you when.
	But at some point tonight, Ramona will come in and you'll get to see her.
	And so all of you who are picture savers out there, that'll be your big moment.
	I don't know what it's going to be.
	I can't tell you, but she is definitely going to come in.
	She has promised.
	And I thought you would enjoy that.
	All right, look.
	New affiliates, new affiliates, new affiliates.
	Welcome K-G-A-L-A-M in Albany, Oregon.
	1580 on the dial in Albany.
	Glad to have you on board.
	Here's a big one, folks.
	W-W-N-Z in Orlando, Florida.
	50,000 watts on 740?
	Oh my.
	50,000 watts on 740.
	seven forty who
	if you don't want to have seven forty so rounding out to about
	uh... three hundred and sixty something affiliates for coast
	and about three seventy or three eighty uh... as an aggregate for the two programs are something
	like that and i a m instructed here that i should give a special
	thanks to russell smith who's the chief engineer
	of w and and z w w and z
	Get it straight, Art.
	W-W-N-Z, in Orlando, because I guess Russell jumped through a whole bunch of hoops to get the technical side of things going.
	And Russell, I surely know how that goes, my friend.
	So thank you very, very much.
	As a matter of fact, it says here, Russell has helped get Coast to Coast on at least three or four of your affiliates.
	Really?
	So he's a traveling guy.
	Anyway, thank you, Russell.
	And glad to be on.
	This will cover... I would imagine WW and Z will cover... Well, you know, we ought to find out.
	But at 50,000 watts, it ought to cover a whole bunch of Central Florida and more, obviously.
	So we're glad to have you on board.
	Now, it's going to be open lines.
	Let me first tell you about my little witch hunt, before we go any further.
	And I know I always catch hell for this, but it doesn't matter.
	I am looking for a real, broom-riding, spell-casting, magic-dispensing witch.
	You know, a witch.
	No, not a practitioner of Wicca, nor do I mean to in any way demean The Practitioners of Wicca.
	You guys know that is not what I mean.
	And Bernmarie, you're already typing, I know, out there in San Francisco.
	And everybody will tell me you will never find one, but I did find one once.
	And the reason I'm bringing this up tonight is because I had a very nice lady, and I won't even tell you who she is, call me and tell me, I'm your broom-riding witch.
	And she sent me photographs and everything.
	Man, she looked like a witch.
	And I called her up, and she was a very nice lady, but she was a practitioner of the white arts, and the white light, and the, you know.
	And that is not what I'm after.
	Again, so that I can specify here, I am after a broom ridin'.
	Metaphorical, okay?
	You don't really have to have a broom.
	Broom ridin', spell castin', magic dispensin', witch.
	That's what I want to find.
	So if there's any witches out there, uh, get hold of me by fax and I will call you.
	Now there's, there's surely a witch would have or could have access to a fax machine, right?
	And, uh, fax me at area code 702-727-8499.
	area code seven oh two two seven
	eight four nine nine now i want to remind everybody as i do every night i've got
	a three page
	fax max anybody who sends an excess of three pages
	Three page maximum, as I always announce.
	Um, so, uh, fax me.
	Area code 702-727-8499.
	I want to interview a real witch.
	I know you're out there.
	Alright, the serious stuff.
	Jurors Wednesday begin to consider whether Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh will be executed or spend his life in prison.
	It should be quite a process.
	The prosecution plans to call 45 witnesses over a period of three days.
	Most, including no doubt my guest tomorrow night, will talk about the loss of their loved ones.
	It's going to be very heart-wrenching.
	You are going to see testimony over the next three days that is going to be hard to watch.
	A legal analyst say Timothy McVeigh's best hope for avoiding the death penalty may be to beg for mercy from the jury.
	When the penalty phase of the trial begins Wednesday, the same jury of seven men and five women are going to be asked to decide whether McVeigh should be sentenced to life in prison or death by lethal injection.
	A law professor at the University of Colorado and a former federal prosecutor said, quote, my opinion is Timothy McVeigh's only real promising hope is to confess the crime and express extraordinary remorse.
	Well, let's see, what else have we here?
	More sex misconduct at Aberdeen.
	The Aberdeen Army Proving Ground in Maryland.
	We've got a commander there going into early retirement, admitting to adultery.
	It's for an affair he committed five years ago when he was in divorce proceedings.
	Wow.
	President Clinton's plane had to alter course.
	It had a close encounter of another airplane kind.
	There is a very strict rule that suggests that other airplanes must remain within a certain distance of Air Force One, and if not, Air Force One must change course, and they had to do that.
	Let's see, what else?
	More evacuees from Africa.
	And, um, this is interesting.
	Parents are being warned about the potential dangers of window cords, window blind cords.
	Apparently, toddlers are being choked to death.
	As a matter of fact, um, they say 183 of them were accidentally strangled to death between 1981 and 95.
	183 children choked to death by window cords.
	nineteen eighty one and ninety five a hundred and eighty three children
	choked to death by window cords holy moly uh... i'm i've got a new york times article here on the
	weather and...
	As you know, it is changing, and now the New York Times has caught on.
	There was also an extensive story on CNN showing a lot of the same interesting photographs that Spandau showed, and predicting the beginning of an El Nino, which will change weather patterns worldwide And that is beginning in earnest, apparently, in the Pacific Ocean, so there you have that.
	And I've just got a whole bunch of stuff here, but I think I'll hold on to a lot of it.
	Oh, confirming an earlier story, the Associated Press, from the... Well, let's see, what newspaper is this?
	I'm going to have to dig out which Newspaper it is, but it's an AP story.
	They're beginning a mass vaccination program in the Dominican Republic.
	Now, that is interesting because I ran, as you know, with Dr. Horowitz, a story indicating something very serious was going on there.
	And now we're going to find out that they're going to literally try and inoculate the entire The Dominican Republic.
	The Medical Association warns the actual number of cases of this strange disease could rise to 45.
	The disease is passed on by coughing, sneezing, or through saliva, and is characterized by high fever, chills, and vomiting.
	Doctors expect the death rate range from 30 To 90%?
	Wow!
	so for those of you that did not think that uh... what doctor harwood said was
	real it apparently is very real and is being no doubt kept very
	quiet the dominican republic
	being of course a hot tourist location
	and you can imagine they would want to uh...
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	You never know what you'll hear on Coast to Coast AM with George Norris.
	You know, there is terrorism out there.
	So, in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
	I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, That would create this terror to continue to control us.
	I think you're absolutely correct.
	But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
	And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
	Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
	Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
	Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
	It's just a matter of time.
	Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	OK, let me see now.
	If you've ever wondered the real reason women talk more than men is they've got the brains for it.
	I don't know about this article.
	It says, scientists have discovered that two language control areas in the female brain are significantly larger than those in the male brain.
	We measure the brains of ten men and eleven women after death.
	And found that the Wernicke Center, I guess it is, Wernick Center, which helps us interpret words and sounds, takes up to 30% more of women's brains.
	Ooh!
	And this area, according to the doctor, which helps us select words, sentences, and grammar, is 20% bigger in women than men.
	Huh!
	This is quite, they say, a dramatic finding, I should say.
	It's the first time we've seen such a biological difference in the human brain between men and women.
	You know, but I would have to comment here that not always does it result in higher quality speech.
	It seems to result many times in volume, in greater volumes of speech.
	Now this is my observation, but have you ever run into one of those chatty women They drive me absolutely crazy.
	And they say absolutely nothing.
	Bigger brains, huh?
	Harumph.
	From Harumph.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	tonight on the presentation of the people's program from june third nineteen
	ninety seven the
	the the
	you're listening to our film somewhere in time
	tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast a.m. from june third nineteen
	ninety seven good morning everybody I am Art Bell.
	And in a moment, I've got a fellow with a kind of a... Well, let me read you the facts he sent to me, alright?
	Art, I sent this to you on the night that you had the Air Force officer talking about the UFO over the missile silo.
	Oh, yes.
	We had an Air Force officer here who talked about a UFO over one of our silos.
	But he said you didn't get it because of the three-page limit that I just realized tonight.
	Also, I was afraid to talk to you then because I was working at NSA.
	That's no such agency or National Security Agency.
	But I was fired last week, so now I don't care.
	UFO stopping an aircraft carrier.
	Anyway, um, when I got this, uh, this fax, it indicates that he knows about an aircraft carrier that was stopped by a UFO, an unlikely event.
	I called Jim.
	We won't identify him.
	Uh, and I really have, let's see, where is he?
	Oh, he's in Maryland.
	Maryland.
	And I won't identify him any further than that.
	In a moment, I'll bring him on the air and we'll ask him about it.
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	Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
	Smart idea?
	I would love to see that happen.
	A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
	Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
	What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
	Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Now, um, a UFO stopping an aircraft carrier?
	Huh?
	Jim's on the line.
	Jim, hi.
	Good morning.
	I take it you're in Maryland somewhere, huh?
	Yes, in Maryland.
	Okay, you worked for the NSA?
	Yeah, for 21 years.
	21 years for the NSA?
	Before we get into details, what's it like working for no such agency?
	It's pretty stressful, actually.
	That's an answer I would expect.
	Stressful.
	Yes, very stressful.
	I'm a little relieved that I'm not there anymore, to be honest with you.
	You got canned?
	Yeah, it didn't have anything to do with the UFO though.
	You weren't spying or anything?
	No, no, no.
	Creating a disturbance in the workplace.
	Did you go postal at NSA, Jim?
	No, no, no.
	No?
	No, not that bad.
	Just satisfied with a lot of waste that goes on and coworkers not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
	You were a whistleblower.
	Well, sort of.
	I've got a little boisterous in my discontent.
	So you went vocally postal?
	Yes.
	Okay, I think I've got the picture.
	Well, that's a hell of a deal after 21 years.
	Do you get out of there with any retirement?
	Yeah, I have some money in the retirement system.
	I'll be able to draw one when I get a little older.
	I'm in the trades.
	I have a good skill.
	I can do work.
	I'll be working.
	I'm not worried about that.
	How does a skill that one uses in NSA translate to the civilian world?
	I'm involved in electrical distribution and electricity, so I'll be able to work.
	So you're willing to say something that you obviously could not say when you were working for the NSA?
	Well, it's one of those touchy subjects.
	No, I didn't have too much to do with there.
	I was in the military.
	I was in the Navy in communications in the 60s and 70s.
	I experienced a pretty terrifying experience on board the John F. Kennedy aircraft carrier one evening.
	The John F. Kennedy?
	Yes, sir.
	Can you tell us what you did on that aircraft carrier?
	I mean, what kind of job?
	I worked in the communications department.
	Communications.
	That figures.
	All right.
	And so what happened?
	Well, one evening all the communications went out.
	We heard on the intercom from the signal bridge that we heard a sailor yelling that God was here at the end of the world.
	Then another more rational sailor got on the intercom.
	That God was here and it was the end of the world?
	Yes, but he was yelling that God's here at the end of the world.
	It might be a rational conclusion.
	What was he seeing?
	Well, another sailor got on the intercom that was a little more rational and he said there's something, all he said was there's something hovering over the ship.
	There's something over the ship.
	And I had heard from the other part of communications that all communications were out, voice and teletype.
	So a couple of us ran out.
	We were right below the flight deck.
	We ran out to the edge of the flight deck, looked up and saw this big glowing sphere hovering over the island structure, the center of the aircraft carrier.
	A glowing sphere?
	Sphere, yeah.
	How high above?
	How big?
	It was really hard to say.
	It was in the evening.
	The sun had just gone below the horizon.
	It was still somewhat light, but you really couldn't see the horizon.
	There was no reference point.
	If it was low, it would have been a couple hundred feet in diameter.
	If it was a little bit higher, say six or seven thousand feet, it would have been even bigger.
	It was hard to judge.
	It looked to me a couple hundred feet in diameter.
	Oh my!
	The only thing that I know, and I'm just a civilian, I was in the Air Force, but I've been a civilian a long time now, that could knock out everything.
	It's funny, a friend of mine wrote a book about this.
	That could knock out all the communications on an aircraft carrier would be an EMP pulse.
	Yeah.
	And a hell of a big one at that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we have been briefed on that effect.
	Of course years ago that was classified, the EMP type of thing.
	Nobody knew, everybody knew about it so it was classified then.
	But it not only knocked out communications, it knocked out everything electronic.
	All the radar ceased to work, cops were going around and around and just about everything
	that was electronic wouldn't operate.
	They couldn't even launch any planes.
	The planes wouldn't start.
	We were actually helpless in the water.
	We were able to maneuver, we could move, but that was it.
	Nothing else worked.
	I only saw this object for a few seconds because battle stations were sounding, general quarters, and I had to go back to my station, which was in communications.
	But later that evening, we were up all night talking about it.
	Sure you were.
	Yeah, I had been on the ship and knew a lot of the people.
	I had been on there for a couple of years and had discussions with radar operators and people that were on the bridge.
	Jim, how many men would be on the John F. Kennedy?
	About 5,000 men.
	How many of those 5,000 do you think saw this, whatever it is?
	Probably about 20.
	20?
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	I can explain that.
	All right, so we can talk about that.
	About 5,000 men.
	About 5,000 men.
	How many of those 5,000 do you think saw this, whatever it is?
	Probably only about 20.
	20.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	And I can explain that.
	It's very easy to explain.
	We had just completed a very long flight operation, in excess of 20 hours.
	And the majority of the crew that normally worked on a flight deck were below, getting
	cleaned up, getting something to eat, trying to get some rest.
	By the time this event started, and General Quarters was sounded, and the crew started arriving back on the flight deck, the object had gone.
	Even on a carrier, you cannot really get out into the open.
	The flight deck is restricted because of the dangers and there's really very few places that you can go and observe the sky on a carrier when you're in full operation.
	So it seems incredible that out of 5,000 men there were only maybe 15 or 20 eyewitnesses.
	That would be the bridge crew and anybody that did get back out on the flight deck.
	And again, how long would you say the object hovered and how long did you lose communications?
	It was about 20 minutes.
	And so when you lost communications, the aircraft carrier came to a dead stop?
	No, we were able to move.
	We were able to move through the water and turn left and right.
	But that was about it.
	Well, here's the thing, Jim, that has always puzzled me.
	Project Blue Book, the great whatever you want to think it was, the government issued, the Air Force said, the final conclusion was, well, yes, some of these are unexplained.
	We don't know what they are.
	However, They are not a threat to national security.
	Right.
	When they can stop an aircraft carrier, that's a threat as far as I'm concerned.
	Well, I kind of thought the same thing about hovering over the missile silo.
	Right.
	Deactivating American ICBMs and then in another case hovering over a Russian missile silo and putting the damn thing into launch sequence.
	Right.
	Now, if these things are not threats to national security, what is?
	That's a good question.
	That's a $64,000 question.
	And of course, at the time of the event, and you were in the military, you know a little bit how the military thinks.
	Whenever they experience something they can't explain, they classify it.
	Yes.
	Because they don't know, they didn't know if this object was Russian, alien, Chinese.
	No, that makes sense, of course, yes.
	So, I never had to sign anything, but the commanding officer came on the closed circuit TV system to address the crew.
	A few days later, which was standard procedure, and I'll never forget this as long as I live.
	He talked about the operational readiness exercise we had just completed and how we were going back to Norfolk to stand down.
	We were going to deploy to the Med in a few months.
	And then at the very end of his speech, he said, I would like to remind the crew that certain events that take place aboard a major naval combatant vessel are considered classified.
	Not to be discussed with anyone without a need to know.
	That was all that was ever said officially of the whole event, as far as I heard.
	I've always been very patriotic.
	Having been patriotic, I didn't say a word about the event for years and years.
	Just recently, though, I've become very interested in the whole UFO phenomenon and been thinking a lot about it.
	I've started to tell people the story that happened.
	Like I said before, having worked where I was, I didn't want to bring any attention to myself at all because it's a way that you can lose your clearance and lose your job.
	Of course.
	Now that I'm doing it again, I still can't talk about some things, but I don't know that much anyway.
	I just took care of electricity.
	Now that I don't have that pressure on me, I figured I might as well go ahead and tell some people about this.
	Maybe I'll contact Dr. Greer.
	Well, maybe you ought to contact Dr. Greer and maybe there are others who among the 20 or 30 who no doubt are listening and who will now come forward, Jim.
	Yeah.
	That's an incredible story.
	Yeah, and you know the quickening I have felt.
	I'm about your age and I have felt in the past few years something.
	You know, you just sense it.
	Like you said, the pit of your stomach.
	Just feel something.
	There's not a question about it.
	Right.
	If something's coming to a culmination, we just don't know what it is.
	Jim, I appreciate your coming forward.
	It is really an incredible story.
	Now, I guess if you went vocally postal on them and you would like to do any of that here, you're welcome to do it.
	In other words, what was going on that frustrated you so badly?
	I mean, we all like to hear where our black budget tax dollars are being wasted.
	I've always been, you know, I'm a taxpayer, too, and I don't want to see any waste.
	I want money well spent.
	Like I said, I'm very patriotic.
	During the Vietnam era, I didn't run off to Canada.
	I joined the military and served my country.
	I didn't particularly like the situation that was going on, but I loved my country enough that I wasn't going to run off.
	And I would see certain things happening where money was being wasted and people getting promoted that were incompetent and this type of thing.
	It just gets on your nerves.
	I always said I was never really suited for federal employment because I'm too conscientious.
	I believe that's called the Peter Principle, that people are ultimately promoted to positions for which they are not qualified.
	Right.
	That is almost like a rule of nature.
	I think so, yeah.
	And if they just keep quiet and don't make waves, they progress in the chain of advancement until they finally reach a position for which they're utterly not qualified.
	Yeah.
	I had gone to schools.
	I had gone to schools sponsored by them.
	It didn't matter whether you... I would always put my best effort into it.
	And other people would just kind of sit back and coast through it.
	Well, we both got the same pay.
	We both got promoted.
	I didn't get any extra recognition.
	I'm just irritated.
	I always put forth a good effort.
	Other people would just sit there like a bump on a wall and they'd just move right along.
	It was irritating.
	It was very frustrating for a conscientious person.
	Well, I'm sure that it was.
	So you really let go?
	I mean, how seriously did you let go?
	It was a couple of events, actually.
	It wasn't just one.
	I always say, I kind of laugh now, I chewed out the boss one too many times.
	I would let it out no matter who was there or who it was.
	I didn't play the political game.
	I spoke my mind and that's just not accepted anymore.
	All right, Jim, my friend.
	Thank you very, very much for coming on the air and hopefully we will hear from others on this.
	I really liked seeing the pictures of you too in the studio.
	That's really great.
	Oh, you were able to see those?
	Yeah, I was sitting here watching you getting ready for the show actually.
	I was watching you getting ready.
	It's a big advance.
	Thank you very much, my friend.
	Take care.
	Yes, we're getting comments on the live studio cam.
	Hundreds and hundreds of comments.
	And some of them, because of the nature of the camera... Well, here's someone, for example.
	Tonight I have on a shirt that, by the way, I got from Helsinki, Finland.
	And while I was in Helsinki, Finland, I thought that would make a nice little prop t-shirt, you know.
	And so I've got a fan from Monterey, Roger, who says, hey Art, the live shots are pretty cool.
	Is the Helsinki t-shirt an advertisement for hair products?
	No, Roger, it is not.
	It is a souvenir of being in Finland.
	Do you ever open your eyes?
	Is that fluorescent lighting?
	You know how bad that is for you?
	No, Roger, it is not fluorescent.
	You have back problems.
	Sitting up straight and using a better chair may help.
	This is going to be interesting.
	No, I'm not giving you a hard time.
	I'm simply paying attention.
	I like my chair, Roger.
	Do you know, I picked out this chair when I knew I was going to come home and I was going to be doing the show from home instead of the studio where I used to work, which had a horrible chair, by the way, absolutely horrid.
	And I knew I was coming home.
	I went out and sat in chairs.
	I spent about an hour sitting in chairs.
	Because I knew I would be sitting in this chair for a long time, and I found out... I found one that supported my back just properly.
	And that is what I am now using.
	I'm very pleased with my chair.
	And as for the... Look, I wear glasses.
	That's why you can't see my eyes.
	And let me see, in five seconds it'll take it.
	So let me open my eyes wide and give you a shot that probably makes me look like that guy who ran the cult.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
	So I just took off my, uh, did you ever see the picture of the fellow, what's his name, who ran the Colt Rancho Santa Fe?
	His wide eyes, I just gave you a shot like that to take off my glasses.
	It is the glasses that make it look like my eyes are closed, I believe.
	So there, you got a great big shot of a wide-eyed Art Bell.
	We're going to have to learn how to deal with this.
	As I said, sometime, I think this next hour, I'm going to entice my wife to come in so you can get a look at her.
	Television.
	So cool.
	Television is so cool.
	Don't forget now, I am on a witch hunt.
	I am on a witch hunt.
	I'm looking for a real, my description, and I don't care how much trouble I get in for saying it, broom riding, spell casting, magic doing, witch.
	That kind of a witch.
	And maybe I will open a special line for a witch later.
	And you've got to sit through a lot of people who claim to be this or that until you get a real witch.
	But they are out there, despite what the Wiccans have to say.
	They are out there.
	Incidentally, from Bay Area headlines... You know what?
	I've got to hold this until the top of the hour, until the Bay Area.
	Uh, joins us, so I'm going to do that.
	We're going to take a break.
	Top of the hour is on the way.
	We'll be right back.
	It's an Anything Goes night.
	Whatever's on your mind is fair game.
	Uh, we'll just have a lot of fun tonight, because tomorrow night is going to be real serious.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	Oh, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
	Love is good, love is good.
	Oh, we gotta get right back to where we started from You remember that day, surely
	When you first came my way I said no one could take your place
	And if you get hurt, if you get hurt By the little things I say
	I can put that smile back on your face When it's all right and it's coming
	Oh, we gotta get right back to where we started from Oh, we gotta get right back to where we started from
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired June 3rd, 1997.
	Top of the morning, everybody.
	I have just ordered, actually, my beautiful wife, Ramona, who you got to see if you were watching the live cam.
	During this last break, she snuck in here and let her take a few photographs of her.
	And then she said, how about bringing me a cat?
	So I brought her Comet, who proceeded, and I'm sure it didn't snap that, although maybe it did.
	Comet got in the room and leapfrogged off her chest using all claws in full action.
	And so she's trying to get the blood all taken care of right now.
	And Comet went several feet into the air.
	I don't know.
	He's always gonna be wild.
	He's always gonna be a wild child, no doubt about it.
	Good morning, everybody!
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Now, uh, it's open lines tonight.
	It's anything you want to do, anything that, uh, you'd enjoy doing.
	I'm on a witch hunt, uh, this morning, and I knew well what to say and what not to say this time.
	I always make a disclaimer because I know that the minute I ask for a broom ridin', Which I'm going to get a fax from Bryn Mawry in San Francisco and everybody else who's into Wicca.
	And I got one, and I wish I could read it.
	When Comet jumped, all the faxes in here went flying.
	And I don't know where that one went, but she said, all right, all right, all right, disclaimer.
	Something like that.
	I'll find that and read it to you.
	It was a wild moment in here before I came back on the air.
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	now we take you back to the night of june third nineteen ninety seven on our
	bills somewhere in time the
	okay arm well comment really did mail my wife uh...
	pretty hard Maybe I'll bring her in and she can, uh, she can show you her scratches sometime.
	Oh, boy, he really got her.
	Really got her.
	Um, Art, the, uh, live cam is great when the asteroid zeroes in on Pahrump.
	Do you have enough cable to get it to a window for a live shot?
	Yes, I do.
	Yeah, we can have an outside cam, a UFO cam.
	I never thought of that.
	I thought of a microphone once, and I've always been meaning to put a microphone outside, but now there's an opportunity.
	You know, gosh boy, you know, I could put an outside camera.
	I could mount a camera outside, by golly.
	And we have some pretty beautiful scenery here.
	We've got an 11,900 foot mountain that stands over the little town that I'm in.
	I mean, you know, those rocky-sized mountains.
	That's a big mountain.
	There's still snow on it, a little bit, even now.
	I would say ten months or nine to ten months out of the year there's snow on that mountain.
	It's very pretty, so I could have an outside camp.
	I don't know.
	The world stands in front of us.
	So I'm getting all kinds of things like this.
	Love the Art Cam.
	When you're going to go to streaming video, face it, Art, it's inevitable.
	Yeah, but you won't get the kind of quality you're getting now.
	Art Studio Cam is great.
	I'm looking at Ramona waving.
	Will this be on during Dreamland?
	I would like to show my son.
	Yes, it will.
	Sure, we'll have it on during Dreamland.
	I see it probably during most live shows.
	Unless I want a night of privacy.
	Now, there may be some nights when I don't feel like doing this.
	And if I don't, then I'll turn it off.
	That's all.
	If you want to see our live studio cam, you can by going to www.artbell.com.
	www.artbell.com.
	Welcoming WWNZ.
	WNZ, 50,000 watts on 740 in Orlando, Florida.
	So you'd have to look at 50,000 watts on 740 must cover like a giant chunk of Florida, if not the majority of.
	I don't know.
	We'll find out.
	And KGAL in Albany, Oregon, 1580 on the dial.
	Welcome both of you to the network.
	Glad to have you.
	There is a very interesting story.
	It's open lines tonight, but here is one.
	We just had a man on the air, by the way, if you missed the first hour.
	There was a man who worked for the NSA, he says, and was fired for going vocally postal on them, and now tells the story of an aircraft carrier, the John F. Kennedy, that was stopped dead cold by a UFO hovering above it.
	Oof!
	What a story!
	And now, this, and I've been hearing about this, and hearing about it, and I suppose I should have this guest on.
	Does the Bible contain a secret code That foretells the future.
	This is a Reuters news story, folks.
	Not an Art Bell story.
	A Reuters news story from New York.
	With reviewers and experts denied an advanced look.
	Good.
	A book was published around the world this week claiming that the Old Testament contains a secret code that 3,000 years ago foretold the Holocaust and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.
	The book says the code, found in the Bible by an Israeli computer expert, figures, also foretold many other of history's major events and warns of an atomic war that could bring the end of the world in 2000 or 2006.
	Oh my!
	Trumpeted with full-page advertisements in publications like the New York Times, the Bible code has been snapped up in Hollywood by Warner Brothers Ooh, that sees it as a perfect vehicle for those who like their Raiders of the Ark flavored with large doses of Nostradamus-style predictions.
	Ooh, I've got to interview this guy.
	So, if anybody out there knows the fellow who has written this book, by all means, by all means, folks, Please, send him my way and I will interview him.
	Well, I'm not surprised.
	While we're on the subject of things that would seem to agree with my book, let me hit my book one time here because it's selling out.
	The second printing is selling out.
	It's going like crazy.
	And I just, I don't know, maybe they're going to be ordering the third printing shortly.
	So here's the deal.
	And this deal is not going to be going much longer, I can tell you right now.
	I have authored a book called The Quickening.
	It apparently has resonated with a lot of people because we have never seen such ordering in all our lives.
	The Quickening is, I think, 337 pages.
	three hundred and thirty seven pages we don't like to talk to you
	at any money if you're listening out there of bringing my book the quickening
	I just realized that I can hold that up and show people.
	Television.
	Can you believe it?
	Television.
	The Quickening is a well-documented, careful explanation of everything I have come to believe and now have proven.
	Regarding what we are going through.
	Here she comes.
	Here comes my book.
	Thank you.
	I'm going to hold it up so you can see it.
	Let's see.
	Anyway, it is a compilation of things that I have come to believe are absolutely true through the years that I have been doing this program.
	And I'll try and give you a shot from the front and otherwise as well.
	Well, I hope that comes out, and then I'll give you a side shot if I can.
	It really is a very, very fine book.
	It's a well-made book.
	They do nothing but the best quality work.
	So, that's The Quickening, and if you'd like an autographed first edition copy of The Quickening, you really need to act, because I'm not going to be doing that for too much longer.
	So, let me give you the phone number, and they are ready for immediate shipment.
	Now, what's going to happen is the same thing that occurred last time.
	In other words, when I run out of books, I will stop advertising because it is too frustrating to people, and so I will stop the advertising.
	And I know a lot of people will say, oh good, we don't want to hear it anyway.
	But I wouldn't wait, because I am told my publisher says the second printing is going about like the first.
	The number is 1-800-864-7991. You can call it right now.
	Or if you can't get through right now, because it's obviously going to get very busy very quickly, write the number down and call tomorrow or something.
	But in the meantime, pick up the phone right now and see if you can get through.
	I'm getting rave reviews on the book.
	As a matter of fact, one night, when we have time, hell, maybe even tonight, we'll open the line for people who have read the book and would like to give their own reviews.
	I'm not afraid to do that at all.
	Open line, straight ahead, east of the Rockies.
	You are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, Art, this is Vince calling from just outside Chicago.
	Hi, Vince.
	You know, you had a little teaser last night on the program.
	You said that you had spoken to Richard Hoagland.
	I talked to him again today.
	You know, I'd like to say that I think Richard is one of the most interesting and intelligent people in America today.
	And, uh, you know, sometimes when we talk from this, uh, program, it's just, uh, the drama is just so intense and intriguing.
	It's, uh, you can cut it with a knife.
	Um, I almost wish you wouldn't mention that because what he's got going on right now.
	Huh.
	Let's see.
	What could I tell you?
	I can't tell you much about it.
	I can tell you that we are, uh, talking, you know, I guess you've heard the news about this scientist who years ago said that, um, Cometary material is consistently piling into the earth, adding like an inch of water every so often.
	I mean, serious amounts of cometary material.
	That scientist, whose name I just can't recall this moment, may be coming on toward the end of the week.
	We don't know yet.
	Then there's a thing about Egypt, and you're right, it's a teaser, because this is so serious, what we've got going with Egypt.
	That if the information is correct and I have the person on that I think I'm going to have on and he's going to say what he's going to say, I may have to stay on the boat when I get to Egypt.
	You know, Art, I have a feeling inside me, some sort of vibration that Richard is really on to something.
	I know it.
	I just feel it in my soul that Richard is really, really on to something.
	I just always await what's coming out of his research and his scientific study.
	So do I. Thank you very much for the call from Chicago.
	Richard is an intriguing individual.
	Sometimes I know he frustrates the audience because of the way he tells stories.
	I sort of grab him vocally by the lapels and shake him and he spits it out.
	But he's a good friend.
	We talked earlier in the day and what he's working on right now, the implications of what he's working on right now.
	You guys know me.
	I'll do anything.
	But this one stretches even my, how can I put this, a willingness to stick my neck out.
	But I'm willing.
	I mean, what the hell?
	You only live once, right folks?
	You only live once, and either do it your way, or you probably ought not be doing it.
	So, if this goes ahead as it looks like it will, you're going to hear, it won't be for a couple of weeks, regarding Egypt.
	There are some legal matters to clear up.
	And if it's as serious as I think it is, I probably can't get off the boat in Egypt.
	This is from the Bay Area, and it says, Retaliation to McVeigh verdict?
	Officials say the attack on a utility transformer in Redwood City just might be a reaction to the Timothy McVeigh verdict.
	About 55 shots from a high-powered rifle riddled the PG&E substation today, cutting power to about 2,000 people.
	San Mateo County Sheriff's deputies found a Confederate flag and a newspaper article about the McVeigh verdict.
	Well, that's suggestive, huh?
	The flag was attached to a nearby fence, and the newspaper, bearing the headline, McVeigh Guilty, placed under a rock.
	McVeigh was convicted yesterday, when this was written, of murder and conspiracy in the 95 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.
	Killed 168.
	On our international line, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Is this art?
	Yes, it is.
	Where are you?
	You sound so different.
	Wait a minute.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to try and clear that line up a little bit.
	Okay, are you... I have two radios to turn off.
	It's a witch.
	Do you want to talk to me?
	You're a witch?
	Well, sort of.
	Well, what do you mean, sort of?
	Well, I'm a psychic energy worker, and I change realities for people often.
	A psychic energy worker who changes reality for people.
	That might be a loose definition of a witch.
	Yeah, it was pretty loose like that.
	Sounds like art needs help.
	Where pray tell are you?
	I'm in West Vancouver.
	West Vancouver.
	West Vancouver.
	I talked to you actually last week.
	You're not an American witch.
	You're a Canadian witch.
	I am.
	All right, let's explore this.
	How are you able to change reality for people?
	Well, I work with energy, and first I look at the energy, and then just help them shift it.
	I have lots of help.
	I bring in lots of kind of angelic types.
	Angelic types?
	Uh-huh.
	So, in other words, you are... Physical entities.
	Now, wait a minute now.
	Wait a minute.
	Angelic.
	Like you're talking about a white witch.
	And by that, I don't mean your skin color, I mean your practice of the art.
	In other words, you practice the good stuff.
	Well, I don't look at it that way.
	I think it's just all the reality.
	Yeah, I know, but there's like witches who say, I work with light and energy.
	Well, I won't do anything that's not in alignment with the plan, the divine plan.
	I kind of go by that.
	The Divine Plan.
	Yeah, that's what I think of it or how I see it.
	So in other words, let's just say, for the sake of argument, that you wanted a boyfriend.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay?
	Could you do something and get that boyfriend?
	I've never had that problem.
	Bear with me here, the spirit of the question.
	You could do it, but I don't know.
	You get a feel for when something is right to do and when it's not.
	I just do it when it feels right.
	Maybe I am a white witch in that way.
	It doesn't feel right in my soul.
	Let me try another question.
	Let's say you, even witches, have to go to the grocery store and shop, right?
	So you go to the grocery store, and the bag boy is helping you out with the bags.
	And he suddenly gets cops in attitude and takes your shopping bag and throws it on the ground and says something awful to you.
	Now, could you give him a corn on his foot if you wanted to?
	I'm sure I could, but I would never do that.
	Why not?
	I'm very compassionate.
	I would just kind of love him and make a joke or something and just change his mind.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, so it's more like that.
	It's like changing the atmosphere.
	If something's weird going on, you change the atmosphere, and then everything changes.
	Well... You know, look, then, you're not exactly what I'm looking for.
	No, I don't think I'm exactly what you want, but I have to just offer my service.
	Um, well, I appreciate the fact that you've called, and, um, and, um, I guess the bag boys are safe.
	Alright, my dear, thank you.
	Alright, thank you.
	I love you very much.
	Take care.
	A witch of sorts from Canada.
	Interesting.
	Look.
	Dammit.
	I want a broom-riding, spell-casting, magic-wielding, uh, cauldron-stirring witch.
	Am I clear about this?
	No white light.
	I'm looking for one of the ones that gets buried under a house.
	you know what i'm looking for the listing or bills somewhere in time on
	premier radio networks tonight on the presentation of coast to coast a m from june
	third nineteen ninety seven
	the the
	the To go, looking up for a place to go.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	I found the facts from Brynn Marie in San Francisco.
	Up all night with Art Bell, it says.
	Uh, alright, alright, she says.
	Your gracious disclaimer will protect you from the usual onslaught of paganism that follows such requests.
	But just barely, mutter, mutter, mutter.
	And in fact, here's some contact information for a genuine, she spells that G-E-N-Y-O-U, W-Y-N-E, which, genuine, which, uh, she names the lady, and I won't hear, who's been practicing witchcraft for 40 years, and is media friendly.
	Hmm.
	Alright, Bryn, I will save that, and I will see, we'll see.
	And then I've got this, um, art.
	Are you truly looking for a witch?
	I am at your service.
	Not interested in any form of notoriety or airtime.
	However, I can give you some background and maybe put to rest any form of questions you may have.
	He, and it is he, supplies a number.
	And I suspect he is the real thing.
	It's a witch.
	And then this from Alabama.
	Art, I can't believe my ears.
	Just before the end of the first hour, I thought I heard a voice say, television is so cool.
	Yes, it is.
	It couldn't have been the voice of Art Bell, who time and again has voiced his absolute detestment of television.
	You're absolutely correct, Ron, in Birmingham, Alabama.
	I did say that, but what I meant by that was what I'm doing right now.
	This little thing that snaps a photograph every 30 seconds while I'm doing my program, that's fine.
	But let me tell you what I'm doing.
	Okay?
	I'm not doing any more television, except for this kind.
	No more TV interviews, no more networks, no more serial shows, no more television of any kind, and no more newspaper interviews.
	You think I'm kidding?
	You just go, you watch No more newspaper interviews.
	No more television.
	That's it.
	I'm done.
	Except for, you know, this is something entirely different, Ron.
	This is what I was talking about.
	What we're doing here on the air right now.
	This is different.
	And by the way, I wonder how many of you, I wonder if everything was running all right.
	You might send me a fax and let me know if you were able to see Ramona during one of the breaks.
	We had her come in.
	Now this is cool.
	When I said Television is cool.
	I know it sounded weird.
	But I meant this.
	What we're doing here.
	Which is, to me, an interconnectivity with the radio program that we're doing.
	And an adjunct to the radio program.
	And probably a lot of people don't even know what the hell I'm talking about right now.
	On my website, if you go to my website, you can click on, you'll see in the newest items, Live Webcam.
	And when you click on that, you will get a high quality, or very high quality, the highest I've ever seen for this kind of a system, photograph of me doing whatever I'm doing, or whatever it is that's going on in the studio during the show.
	Now, when the hours are up that we're not doing the program, whatever was the last photograph taken of me is going to be what's running the rest of the day.
	But while we're on the program live, this new system, bless Keith's heart that he has found that we are using, We'll be up and running.
	And this kind of TV I love because it is a direct connection to you guys who are listening to me.
	But as far as letting these people come in with cameras anymore, I'm not doing it.
	I'm not doing it.
	I have now sworn it off.
	Never again.
	And I don't like television.
	You're exactly right.
	I don't like television.
	And when I say that, I mean produced television, where they come in and do two hours of video and end up with three minutes of video that they run wherever for whatever and all the rest of it.
	That's it.
	I'm done.
	I'm on the radio.
	That's my medium.
	Television, I watch it, but I'm not going to be on it anymore, except for this kind of thing.
	But this has to do with the program.
	It's entirely different.
	But television networks and shows, no more.
	No more.
	Newspaper interviews?
	There, I won't say forever, but for a long time, I'm not going to do them.
	I've stopped.
	There's too much going on in my life.
	If people want to know what I have to say, they can listen to my radio program.
	And if somebody wants to write a nasty newspaper article about me, which I'm used to, by the way, no problem.
	I'll respond on the air.
	But I'm not going to do any more.
	So there you have it.
	Finney.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Uh, yes, hello.
	Uh, yes, that would be me, and you need to turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	Uh, yeah, I just wondered, wanted to, uh, hypothesize, theorize, and proselytize a little bit here.
	About what?
	He's gone.
	I guess you didn't know what he wanted to talk about.
	Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Arlene in Lakewood.
	How are you doing?
	Well, I'm doing pretty good and I hope you will be too.
	And if you recall last winter you opened a package that had a curse on it or something
	and you had all kinds of trouble.
	It was a doll that had...
	That really is a very interesting story.
	It was a genuine article.
	A doll that had been in a fire and had a curse on it.
	And wasn't it nice of some listener to send me a doll with a curse on it?
	It really ticked me off.
	And this was an old doll, too.
	And I believe that it was real.
	And you could see the doll was singed.
	And why is it that the wife always has to come in here and talk about the things that are unpleasant or the things that are nasty?
	out there, this is the most I've had her in the studio I think since I've ever done the
	program, she will tell you what she did with the doll.
	And why is it that the wife always has to come in here and talk about the things that
	are unpleasant or the things that are nasty?
	Reminds me of the days when I used to be a talk show host.
	Well this is Ramona Bell and I'm here to tell you the story of the cursed doll.
	Interesting enough, we received this package about, oh, two or three months ago.
	And I open it up, and here comes the letter.
	And this very raggedy looking, but still intact doll.
	And the letter says, Dear Art, this doll I am sending to you because I don't know what to do with it.
	It was salvaged from an attic.
	This person wanted to sell old toys, so he found all these old dolls and things in his attic, in the attic of a house that he owned.
	Among these things, he found a little ditty about this doll.
	That said, that this doll was involved in a fire.
	Anyone who is in possession of this doll was involved in a fire.
	Its owners or previous owners have had problems and complications.
	He wanted nothing to do with this, so rather than dispose of it in a manner that would be appropriate for such an item, he sends it to us.
	The moment I started reading that this was a cursed doll, I do know And it may or may not have told you this, but I do know a little bit about magic.
	I'm a water witch, which means that I know how to douse.
	And I have been able to find water by dousing and proved it to Mr. Skeptical here.
	The same goes for cursed items.
	What I had done was, the doll was wrapped in plastic and it was in a box.
	So I took what amounted to I'd say 12 ounces of just plain old table salt and I put the doll in another bag and then I took the table salt and I sprinkled it all around all inside of the bag with the doll, sealed it back up and took it to its final resting area which is now probably the city dump here and that's basically how we got rid of it and I will tell you right now that for anyone who wants to send another cursed item
	Don't bother because we have enough problems as things go.
	And in a moment, my happy hubby will be back.
	So, until then, stay tuned.
	Okay, now you've got the story of the doll told by the person who handled it, not me.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	This is Steve in South Central Indiana.
	Hello, Steve.
	I just got Web TV, and it's quite an amazing device.
	I went to your website, and I must say that it's one of the best that I've seen.
	It's pretty cool, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I especially like the picture of you with the long hair.
	That was really cool.
	Hey, listen, I've been around for a while.
	I'm going to be 52 this month, on the 17th of this month.
	So yeah, there were days when I had long hair.
	And you saw me sitting there on a stack of hay or something?
	Right.
	That's when I had horses.
	What was the circle on that picture?
	That will provoke some serious thought.
	We're talking 22 or 23 years ago.
	Wow.
	I know.
	Now you're starting to depress me.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I don't want to do that.
	Hey, you've got web TV, right?
	Right.
	Are you able to see our live studio camp?
	Yes, I can, but unfortunately, Not home right now.
	I'm at work now.
	Also, I'm glad to hear that you don't have your cats to clob.
	Oh yes, I do.
	Just the front, not the back.
	Trust me, they can do enough damage with those back claws.
	Well, in fact, we could demonstrate the damage done moments ago.
	Well, see, I have a cat, and I don't have to claw it.
	I just really don't agree with it.
	I think it's kind of cruel, really.
	Oh, no, I say yank him.
	Yank him out, one at a time, without anesthetic.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, just one more thing.
	Yes?
	Are you still on AOL, or you're not having any fun?
	No, I am on AOL, and it looks as though we have reached some sort of Okay.
	I was wondering if you could give your email address?
	Well, sure.
	It's artbell at AOL.com.
	That's, you know, all lowercase, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at AOL.com.
	Dot A-L-L?
	No, not dot A-L-L.
	It's artbell at AOL.com.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Okay, thank you very much, Art.
	Thank you very much.
	This one says, Great to hear you so clearly.
	It's been a drag listening to your show on the skip from North Carolina and Chicago and San Antonio.
	Now you're locally on WWNZ.
	How about opening a line to your fans here in Orlando?
	You may even find out the coverage area for WWNZ.
	That's true.
	Uh, Tim in Orlando.
	Hmm.
	Well, you know, yeah, I could do that.
	As a matter of fact, I've got not just one new affiliate tonight, but two.
	So I could open my lines to my two new affiliates, if I could find them.
	When Comet launched off my wife's chest earlier, everything in here went flying.
	So I will see what I can do.
	All right, here we go.
	Sure, I can do that with the East of the Rockies line.
	So beginning after the news, I will restrict my East of the Rockies line to people Who are listening... Oh, no, this isn't going to work.
	Not Albany, New York.
	This is Albany, Oregon.
	All right, well, one at a time, then.
	I'll restrict first to Orlando.
	They're the biggie.
	50,000 watts in Orlando, Florida.
	So I will restrict the line in about 10 minutes, or after the news, that is, to people listening to WWNZ 740 in Orlando, Florida.
	How's that?
	Sure, I'll do that.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi.
	This is Mike calling from Maui, Hawaii.
	Oh, Maui.
	Yeah.
	Beautiful island.
	It's home.
	I want to tell you, I enjoyed the program you had, I guess a couple months ago, about the guy who wrote the Obaki files.
	Oh, yes.
	Excellent, excellent.
	And being a resident here for Coming up on 15 years, I can tell you a few things go on around here that does raise chicken skin, I'll tell you.
	There's no question.
	Hawaii is a very mystical place.
	My wife is from, was born actually, on Hawaii, at Ewa Beach in Hawaii, and she was just on the screen.
	If you've got a computer, you would have seen her.
	I've got a quick ghost story for you, if you'd like to hear it.
	Yeah, far away.
	Is it a Hawaiian?
	It's Hawaiian, oh yeah.
	Yeah, far away.
	A few years ago, my wife and I went to Kauai and we stayed at a hotel which did not survive Iniki.
	It was a hurricane.
	Right.
	And to make it short, we're in bed sometime after 11, finished watching the band downstairs, enjoyed that, ate, went up to bed, started to slumber away.
	And pretty soon I'm getting the chicken skin and I open my eyes and there's something probably six or seven feet.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	A lot of people don't know what chicken skin is.
	Oh, um, when you get that, uh, the goosebumps?
	That's the Hawaiian way of saying goosebumps, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so continue.
	Okay, so something's up and I can, so I open my eyes and I see something six or seven feet tall standing at the end of the bed.
	My impression is it was something human-shaped, kind of glowing.
	It scared me so bad I couldn't move, you know, get that totally petrified.
	You can't move.
	Closing your eyes is the only muscle that'll work.
	Yes.
	So I closed my eyes and... I understand that.
	And, uh... Excuse me?
	I closed my eyes and hopefully went to sleep not too long after that.
	Now see, I have a very hard time buying that part.
	Closing your eyes, sure, it's like pulling the covers over your head.
	I understand that.
	But how could you possibly, possibly go to sleep?
	Okay, I was so terrified that I closed my eyes and all I know is the next thing I woke up and it was about 3 or 4 in the morning and I had to go to the bathroom.
	I don't want to freak out and say too many weird things, but my impression was it looked like what I would think an alien would look like.
	Okay, we'll leave that at that.
	I didn't tell my wife or ask her about it until the next day when we were on Oahu.
	And I said to her, babe, you know, last night I think I saw something in our room.
	Oh, I'm getting chicken skin right now.
	I didn't want to tell you, but there was about a 7 foot tall Hawaiian pissed off that came in through our window and stood at the end of our bed.
	Oh man!
	And I'm like, uh oh.
	Are you serious?
	No kidding.
	No kidding.
	That morning when we went to check out.
	Is your wife there?
	My wife is in the other room and she's almost pure Hawaiian.
	Well, is she willing to come to the telephone and substantiate your story?
	Actually, she's a very devout Mormon and won't even listen to your radio show.
	Really?
	Really.
	There are people like that.
	There really are.
	They write to me.
	They must listen because they write to me to tell me they don't listen.
	Well, you know, she has her views.
	She thinks I'm wasting my time listening.
	Well, you might be.
	No, I'm not.
	Anyway, we go to the front desk and we said as we're checking out, you know... Now wait a minute.
	Why would a devout Mormon say pissed off Hawaiian?
	Why would a devout Mormon say pissed off Hawaiian?
	A devout Mormon would probably say very angry Hawaiian.
	Perhaps not that exact choice of words.
	I'm sorry, you may be substituting.
	She said that it was not happy and was right there.
	That I could understand.
	She could deal with it, I couldn't.
	I wouldn't either.
	When we were checking out the next morning, I walked over to the front desk at the other end and said, you know what, we had a ghost in our room last night and it kind of blew me away.
	And the person just looked at me and said, You mean like, what's the big deal?
	Yeah.
	I was like, alright, okay.
	They probably thought you were trying the old fly in the soup deal to get your money back.
	Well, the wife was paying right then, so that wasn't happening.
	So that's just kind of a little ghost story, because I really enjoyed when you heard it.
	I mean, pardon me, when you said the Obakufiles at one time, I tried to call in that night Why do you think that Hawaii is such a mystical place?
	I probably ought to have my wife in here answering that too, but I mean, it is a good question.
	Why do you think Hawaii, particularly, is such a place of mystical occurrences?
	Well, probably because, well, I don't know if the word ley lines or anything like that, energy lines or whatever, Well, a lot seems to go past here.
	Since we're in the middle of nowhere, where else is it gonna go?
	We're in the middle of the ocean, I guess.
	So in other words, if ghosts are generally distributed about the world and they favor land, uh, you're the only land we're a long way.
	Well, you know, I don't know how much fun a human being goes to have, you know, floating around out there in the water.
	No other human contact.
	I guess maybe cruise boats, they can go break out.
	The few dolphins to haunt, not much else.
	Dolphins probably just laugh and go, eh, we already knew.
	Yeah, they probably do.
	All right, well, hey, I really appreciate that.
	And how's Maui?
	It's your usual paradise self?
	Uh, well, you know the old bumper sticker about Maui.
	And, uh, little fact for all of those across America, this is the Birdman of Maui.
	All right.
	Thank you, and we will be back.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd 1997
	I'm in a hurry to realize just what I have found I have been only half of what I am
	Oh, I'm clear to reason My heart is on fire
	My soul's like a wheel that's turning My love is alive
	My love is alive Yeah, yeah, yeah
	Coast to Coast Coast to Coast
	Coast to Coast Hey ya hey yo
	Hey ya hey yo Hey ya hey ya
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coaster Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	Welcome to the program, those of you who join at this hour.
	Anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
	Who knows?
	but then again that's kind of the way i like it you're listening to art bells somewhere in time on premier
	radio networks Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	This may explain a lot.
	this may explain a lot w w nz 740 orlando is the sister station of w h nz
	am 570 in tampa aha 740 Aha!
	740, 570.
	Boy, they do sound similar.
	No wonder there's so much confusion.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much.
	That clears that up for me.
	They do have similar, very similar call signs.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Hi.
	Yeah, my name is Walter from Mount Rainier, Washington.
	Yes, Walter.
	Yeah, I was calling to say, this might sound, I don't know if you call it a witch or not, but I seriously believe I channel the Holy Spirit.
	Well, no, that's not witchcraft.
	Oh, okay.
	Channeling the Holy Spirit.
	First of all, the Holy Spirit I wouldn't think would be channeled.
	The Holy Spirit, if it wanted to be heard, wouldn't need to be channeled.
	Uh, yeah, but that's the thing.
	We can all do it.
	Secondly, I don't buy this channeling thing.
	Okay, well, you don't think that other people, like, is the Pope supposed to be able to do that?
	I don't think he calls it channeling.
	Well, it amounts to the same thing, though, right?
	What you hear me say is actually a product of the Holy Spirit, no matter what I say.
	Well, in the sense that we're all connected like that, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, one other thing I'd like to ask about.
	I've posed this question to the talk shows up here.
	Say the spaceships did land here and gave us real super conveniences, free energy and this and that.
	Well, we'd all be free.
	We'd all have free energy.
	We could grow our own food.
	But still, I've asked people, how would we divvy up the land on this planet?
	I mean, if they gave us all this and told us, you guys are foolish not to be self-sufficient.
	Each one of you now, everything's free.
	here you go with this one your crime in your family and all this i mean uh...
	if they what would be and we could do that right now with our government
	you know but uh... all over the world just uh...
	it's it's a terrible joke but i i wonder you know what would happen when they did
	land here and and gave us that we wouldn't divide the land up anyway would we
	it is indeed very good
	question and i don't have the answer but i sure would invite
	anybody in the audience to answer it, how about that?
	Okay, yeah, one other thing, Art.
	If you believe in this, about the Holy Spirit deal, if you want to hear some noise, or if your listeners hear any noises, or their animals start acting funny, this is for everybody.
	I believe that the Holy Spirit can do that, so see if anybody hears any noises, including you.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	Here's somebody, Art, I am both watching you and listening to you on my Macintosh.
	From the floor of my darkened kitchen.
	I recognize the significance of what you're doing tonight and have set up my sleeping bag to watch and listen for as long as I can stay awake here in Marin County.
	Really?
	Um... I have a full mailbox on AOL right now.
	Yeah, I bet I do.
	Sorry about that, folks.
	I'll try and get it cleared out.
	There are hundreds of messages in there.
	What I did was ask for a response to our cam, and it just went absolutely... The response was much larger than I thought it was going to be, and so I don't know how the hell I'm going to get through it.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, I've been trying... Every time I hold up a copy of my book... I'm doing it again here.
	Everybody rushes over to get a look at it, and it freezes.
	So I've been holding it up a couple of times.
	I've been getting a lot of messages saying, well, it's freezing.
	Every time you say that, everybody runs over there, and it freezes.
	You know, when so many people are jumping on the server at once.
	What you can do is go to www.artbell.com, which is my website.
	And you'll see the live studio cam thing there, and you Punch that up and you'll see a photograph of me probably doing something.
	Hopefully nothing terrible.
	If you would like to order an autographed copy of The Quickening, they're going fast.
	The second printing I'm advised by my publisher is going like crazy.
	And so if you want a copy, you should try and get through.
	The autographed copies are only going to be for a little while longer.
	It's kind of good in a way that I get a break between printings because that's a lot of signing.
	You know?
	That's a lot of signing.
	So if you want an autographed copy, I'm trying to provide them.
	But that day's going to end.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Mike in Leesburg, Florida.
	I'm just about 30 miles north, and I heard the new station.
	Oh, you did, huh?
	I got it on two stations now.
	You have it there in Leesburg?
	Yes, at WQBQ 1410.
	And?
	And the new one, which I believe is, what, 1050?
	WWNZ 740.
	740?
	Well, then I've got three.
	WNZ 740. 740? Well then I've got three. Well that's cool. I don't know if anybody called this in, but this is also,
	this is in just outside of Orlando, but in Orange County, which is the same county that Orlando is in.
	I think we have a goat sucker over here.
	The chupacabra?
	Yes.
	The chupacabra?
	It was in the paper two days ago.
	You're kidding!
	No, not at all.
	In Ocoy, Florida, there were three horses mauled, one killed.
	They're trying to say it was either a bear or a cougar, and they can't figure out what it was.
	Well, that's what they always say.
	Exactly, but they said that none of the things that had happened match up with either one.
	Well, look, were there any marks on the necks of the animals?
	Exactly, that's what I was about to say.
	Oh, that's bad.
	Very bad.
	About a four-inch deep wound on the neck of one from the front underneath, and then the other two are expected to survive were attacked from the neck to the belly.
	Wow.
	Wow, I say again.
	I'm very tempted to call a Game and Fish Commission and let them know about your show.
	There is one other very important question.
	Was there blood missing?
	Uh, they were pretty much drained.
	Drained of blood?
	We're talking Chupacabra here.
	The two that are going to live apparently didn't get, you know, got spooked first.
	That's disgusting, sir, but I really appreciate the report.
	for it. Thank you.
	Some people say they have seen the Supercobra After some tequila, he was dancing the lambada.
	We don't know where he has come from, making all the Mexicanos looking like a tom-tom.
	They say that he's a monkey.
	I think the whole story's just a little funky.
	To the lucky I'm Christian and we call the chupacabra.
	Born, meat, tall like a mutant we show off.
	In Mexico City, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua.
	Hey, chupacabra.
	I am creatura que te llama chupacabra.
	Es muy feo como ti mis papas mamas.
	De amor para el culo es paparapa.
	Oh, chupacabra.
	Oh, that's just funny.
	You guys keep dumping that, uh, that toxic waste.
	Just keep putting it in the rivers.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Not so funny if you meet up with one of these things in the middle of the night.
	Chupacabras in Florida.
	we think it's really funny.
	There's a monkey-eyed creature that we call the chupacabra.
	Four feet tall like a mutant weapon.
	Not so funny if you meet up with one of these things in the middle of the night.
	Chupacabras in Florida.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good morning.
	Hi, I'm Cain from Minneapolis.
	Yes, sir.
	You've been looking for a witch?
	Yes.
	I'm a witch.
	What kind of witch are you?
	Well, first of all, you're the kind of witch who's going to have to turn off his radio.
	So I'll await that.
	Okay.
	Got it off?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You should have been able to just will it off if you were a really good witch.
	That's what my student's for.
	I'm sorry?
	That's what my student's for.
	What kind of witch are you?
	Well, I am an Asian true witch.
	I practice both kinds of magic.
	You're an ACDC witch.
	Thank you.
	In other words, you practice white and black magic?
	Yep, I'm a grey.
	A grey?
	You're a grey?
	Yep.
	Well, I've never talked to anybody of your I don't want to put words in your mouth, so you tell me.
	I asked you about the dark side.
	I mean I hear all the time about the light side.
	How much on the dark side do you tread?
	Well I tread where, depends on what you mean by that, like how much you want to know about
	it or.
	Well let's hear, I don't want to put words in your mouth so you tell me.
	I asked you about the dark side, what have you got to say?
	Well there's many kinds of dark sides.
	There's chaos, there's general blackness, pure evil, working with the dark deities.
	Alright, let me try this question.
	What could you do to a person if you wanted to?
	Well, that can go from being sick to beyond that.
	You can give them bad luck.
	Make them do things that they will normally not do.
	It is said that if you do this to a person, this will come back at you at threefold or whatever?
	Sometimes.
	It depends upon the circumstances.
	So there are ways to do it without it coming back on you?
	Right.
	Now a lot of people would take issue with that.
	They would say no, it's a karmic law of nature.
	And if you dispense some sort of evil something upon somebody, as an absolute law of nature, it will come back to you.
	Yes, but that person does something to you first.
	Like, say, someone breaks into your home, kills a family member.
	Then you retaliate.
	The universe might just turn their back on them and say, it happened, yeah, but... In other words, the universe, or Comically, it would be regarded as justice.
	Yep.
	Eye for an eye.
	Eye for an eye.
	That's an interesting view.
	I never have heard it expressed that way with regard to witchcraft.
	Huh.
	How long have you been doing this?
	Oh, for about five years.
	Does it scare you?
	Not really.
	Not anymore.
	At first, it did.
	Do you control it, or has it ever controlled you?
	Actually, it never controls you.
	You never master it either.
	Well, doesn't that leave you in, excuse the pun, sort of a gray area?
	Yes.
	Oh boy.
	But we also work with like the land and ferries and elementals.
	Elementals?
	Yes.
	What is an elemental?
	Like the salamanders of the south are fire, wind of the east, water of the west.
	and mountains to the north. Of course down in Las Vegas, there's going to be mountains all around.
	Ah, there are mountains all about, yes.
	What would that mean?
	Nothing. You get, you know, like you got the mountains all around, you get more of a focal
	point. A few times I've been down there. So what does that mean? That Las Vegas would be an easier...
	I'm sorry?
	It's just kind of a timer.
	It gives you the shivers at times.
	Yes, it does that.
	All right, thank you very much for the call.
	A male witch, wow.
	The elementals, huh?
	And even a witch is given the shivers by Las Vegas, eh?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yes, this is Samantha, listening at KKLB from New Mexico, but I'm in in Arizona. And your name is Samantha? Are you a witch? No.
	With a name like that, you ought to be darned. I should be. I'm calling in because of
	that chupacabra mentioning over Yes, that sounded actually fairly serious, didn't it?
	Yeah.
	My husband, last, or May, the first of May, was accidentally just flipping the channel on our PineStar to the channel Univision.
	Yes.
	You know, the Mexican channel?
	Yeah, oh yes, uh-huh.
	And there was a little story about that the University of Mexico caught one.
	And they said they're studying, and they've had it for the last six months.
	Really?
	I don't know if anyone else has heard about this.
	The University of New Mexico?
	Mexico.
	Of Mexico?
	Not New Mexico, but Mexico?
	Yeah, Mexico.
	Oh.
	And he heard it and he called me and of course I don't understand Spanish.
	Wait a minute now.
	I hear a little bit of an accent there.
	A Spanish accent.
	Well, I've lived in this town forever.
	It's highly Mexican.
	So, in other words, you picked up an accent without picking up Spanish.
	Well, I know the bad word.
	You know the bad word?
	Oh, Samantha.
	Do you know any good words?
	No, don't say them because I don't know any words and I wouldn't know the difference and it could be that you would say a bad word.
	I wouldn't know it.
	Um, but actually you do have an accent.
	Oh.
	Um, that's very interesting.
	And it's just from being so close to so many, huh?
	Yeah, I grew up here.
	Uh, let me hear you say chupacabra.
	Chupacabra.
	Oh, you've got it down.
	Um, I'll tell you something.
	The people of Mexico, um, we can sit up here and chuckle about it, but they don't laugh down there.
	No, I know.
	This is a very, very serious topic.
	The American people have no idea how serious a topic this is in Mexico.
	And that's because there's been really a lot going on.
	We've only had a small taste of it here compared to what they've had.
	And so if the University of Mexico has one, how do I find out about it?
	I don't know.
	I mean, it's like, I'm sure I couldn't call them up and ask them, could I?
	It was a news item, and the point of the news item was painted in the fact of letting people calm down, and the fact that they did have some, they did have a specimen that supposedly came actually from the States, that it was an eagle that caught it, and they had it literally on the truck shipped back with them, and they took it over to the University of Mexico, and it was sort of like, calm down, we have one, we're studying it now, And that was it.
	Calm down?
	Yeah, that was the change of the arc of the story.
	That's not going to calm down people at all.
	I know, it made us upset.
	No, they haven't.
	They're not showing us the information.
	Well, that verifies its existence.
	Exactly.
	So how do you feel when you're walking down a dark street at night?
	Exactly.
	Not as good as you did before that story.
	Yeah, that's true.
	And we're like, we're like about 80, 90 miles from the border.
	And even over here, everybody talks, you know, about it.
	We've actually had a fight.
	Really?
	Yeah, my cousin actually.
	And he didn't know what it was.
	And he described it to me and I was like, you might have seen one.
	How did he describe it?
	First he goes, did you see that?
	And we were going by in the car, it was about 3am.
	And I said, what are you talking about?
	And he goes, it looked like a huge rabbit.
	And I go, like how huge?
	He goes, like 4 feet tall.
	That sounds like the one Jimmy Carter encountered.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	And I go, what else did it look like?
	He said it had like cat eyes.
	Oh.
	And that's what scared me.
	Were the eyes red?
	That's what they reflected.
	They were red?
	Yes.
	And that's what scared me.
	And I was like, oh my gosh.
	Red is bad.
	I know.
	That scared me.
	And then of course later, that was in April.
	And then my husband saw that article.
	I mean that show.
	It was a news clip.
	On Univision.
	Wow.
	That was scary.
	Well, look, I appreciate your call, and I will try what sources I have to see if we can determine if the University of Mexico really is holding a chupa.
	No, wouldn't that be great?
	I don't know if it would be or not.
	Well, listen, anyway, Samantha, I like your name.
	Oh, thanks.
	One last thing.
	Can you wiggle your nose?
	Yeah, I can.
	Can I ask you where I can pick you up easier?
	In Arizona?
	Um, well, you listen to what?
	K.O.B.
	and Albuquerque, right?
	Yeah, and it's not very good.
	Um, all you can do is like go up and down the dial.
	You'll find us in various locations and, you know, sort of mark those places and if you have a radio with push buttons on it or memories, you know, kind of skip back and forth.
	Okay.
	That's my best advice.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	Alright, thanks a lot.
	Thank you and take care.
	And as I said earlier, why, you know, call a local talk station that you have.
	And that's usually the intelligent way to proceed.
	If you want to get a show on in your area, don't call a country station.
	Don't call a MUSEC station.
	They're not going to do it.
	Call a talk station.
	And you can always call our network for some assistance in trying to get on in your area.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	She left a sweet surprise Her hands were never cold She got better day to start She'll turn the music on You won't have to think twice She's pure as New York snow.
	She's got many days aside.
	She'll tease you.
	She'll unease you.
	All the better just to please you.
	She's so kosher.
	And she knows just what it takes to make a program Music playing...
	Music playing...
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	Again, I guess I better say, because they're beginning to, uh... I guess we're coming toward the end of the second printing.
	We're roaring through it, so if you guys want an autographed copy of my book... Uh, you better get on it.
	It is the quickening.
	And by the way, it is...
	Absolutely real.
	There has never been a more relevant book, in my opinion, written about what's going on around us and to us, where it's going, than this.
	It's actually entitled, The Quickening, Today's Trends, Tomorrow's World.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Art Bell, this is John in Hawaii.
	Hi, John.
	I heard about HAARP a while back.
	Yes.
	Changing the weather?
	Yes.
	Are they still playing that thing?
	Making all this bad weather happen?
	Well, look, first of all, nobody knows for sure if it's causing the bad weather.
	There are people who believe that the HAARP project in Alaska, which is still going on, yes, is affecting the weather.
	I don't know if I believe that or not.
	I don't know if they've reached power levels that could begin affecting the weather.
	I just don't know, but in answer to your question, yes, the HAARP project is continuing.
	And if you put that together with some of the images shown by CNN yesterday with regard to the El Nino forming out in the Pacific, it's pretty freaky.
	Gee, I think if they don't know what they're doing quite right, are they targeting things on purpose to make more work for us, or what they're doing up there?
	I don't know.
	I'm going to be honest with you.
	I don't know that HAARP is having any effect on the weather at all.
	I can't say that I know that.
	What I can say that I think I know and I do is that our weather is in the process of a severe change that is part of the quickening.
	I don't really want to get in a terribly serious mood this morning and this will do it for me.
	But I've said this on numerous occasions lately.
	One does not need to be a candidate for employment at NASA to know that our weather is changing.
	And I've been saying that for some time, and now finally everybody seems to be saying it.
	Suddenly, NASA's remarking about it.
	The National Weather Service is remarking about it.
	Stan Dale in Australia, well, you know what he's had to say about it.
	And on and on and on, a lot of mainstream media sources are now talking about the new hurricane season coming.
	Going to be more vicious than ever.
	Vice President Gore began talking about more extreme weather.
	Be prepared for more extreme weather.
	You heard that, didn't you?
	From Vice President Gore?
	Well, Vice President Gore in some ways is not my favorite guy, but in other ways, he's kind of a techno-dweeb.
	And I have some level of appreciation for his technical expertise, and he does have quite a bit.
	You know, he really does.
	And he's right about that.
	I mean, so the weather is changing and quickening.
	Make no mistake, what I have written in this book is a process that is not predicted.
	It's not prophecy.
	It's something that I document.
	And it's going on right now.
	We're living in it right now.
	This is not something coming.
	Yes, it will continue to, at an exponential rate, I believe, increase.
	But make no mistake about it, the process has already begun.
	Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
	Smart idea?
	I would love to see that happen.
	A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
	Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
	What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
	Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Back to the lines, east of the Rockies, you are on the air, good morning.
	Art Bell, hello.
	Hello there, how are you?
	How are you?
	I'm doing fantastic now that I'm talking to you.
	Where are you?
	I am in Oklahoma City.
	Oklahoma City.
	Yes.
	My name is Jeanine, and you said you were looking for witches?
	Have I found a witch?
	Uh, yes.
	An Oklahoma witch?
	There are plenty of us.
	Oh, there are?
	Um, actually, that begins to be a good question all by itself.
	How many witches are there really?
	I mean, not just in Oklahoma, but across the whole country?
	There's really no way of knowing.
	There's so many different kinds of practices.
	It's kind of like asking a person if they're a Judeo-Christian.
	The guy that called earlier, I would say that there are hundreds of thousands, to be honest.
	Really?
	I really would.
	Alright, he talked about a gray area that he lives in, practicing some white and some black forms of witchcraft.
	Yeah, I'm what you would call a pick-dish, which means that... Boy, I wish we had a better phone connection.
	We've got a terrible phone connection.
	Let me turn something off.
	Alright.
	Is that better?
	A little bit.
	Okay.
	Anything to make it a little bit better for you, Art?
	I've been listening to you for three years and loved every minute of it.
	This is a great show.
	Thank you.
	It's a different show.
	So anyway, explain if you can.
	Are you on a portable phone?
	Yes.
	Oh, that explains it.
	Do you have a real phone?
	No, I don't.
	You don't have a real phone?
	No, I don't.
	How far away from the base are you?
	I'm right next to it now.
	Is that any better?
	You know, it's still... I mean, sure, we can hear you, but it's just that it sounds like you've got a lot of interesting stuff to say, and I would like it to be very clear.
	Anyway, let's get into it.
	What do you do?
	I practice some magic, but also there is a nature worship involved, which means I have observances of the moon, the four festivals, things like that, and also I'm a kitchen witch because I'm married and I have a child.
	Basically, I also practice solitary, which means that I don't belong to a cousin.
	A kitchen witch.
	That's just sort of an expression that means you're married and you have a child?
	No, it works well if you're married and have a child.
	Basically, I use herbs and things like that to keep my family healthy and I have my own herb garden and that really works out quite well because I'm able to use the rhythms of nature and things like that to my advantage.
	Well, my wife does a lot of that, herbs and so forth and so on, but I'm not sure that qualifies one as a witch.
	No, it doesn't, but you can use a lot of the knowledge that you find as a witch when you study and make your black book for your everyday life.
	It's like any other religion.
	You can incorporate it into your daily life.
	On the other hand, I'm not altogether sure I should qualify.
	I really mean this, too.
	I'm not altogether sure my wife is not a witch.
	I'm serious.
	It's very natural for women to lean to witchcraft, because you have to be attuned with your body.
	As well.
	I'm sure her mother's having kittens because, you know, really she's supposed to be a Catholic.
	Well, I was a Catholic, so... You were a Catholic, huh?
	It works really well, especially with the Virgin Mary.
	It's not that much of a leap.
	Oh, let's see what other kind of trouble we can get in this morning.
	Oh, man, it works well with the Virgin Mary.
	Witchcraft and the Virgin Mary.
	Well, you know, you've heard of Santeria.
	Oh, I certainly have.
	A form?
	Isn't Santeria almost a form?
	It's not quite voodoo, but it has some relationship, doesn't it?
	Santeria?
	I mean, there's sacrifice and that sort of thing?
	Voodoo calls the darker side in.
	Santeria focuses on the light.
	On the lighter side?
	Yes, it does.
	But there are sacrifices, aren't there?
	Yes, there are.
	There are sacrifices, but they never call the spirits to do harm.
	From what I've studied in Santeria, most witches that I know also, I don't know if there's anything as a white witch or a black witch, I've heard that a lot, but most witches that I've met do not practice anything dark.
	Well those, that's right, those who call themselves Wiccans, would you classify yourself as separate from a Wiccan?
	No, no.
	Wiccan, again, is kind of a generic term.
	You can call yourself Wiccan.
	There's a sect that is Wiccan, that's specialized, that I could call myself Wiccan.
	To call myself a Pictish is to say kind of like, well, I'm Presbyterian.
	There's so many different forms that you can practice in Wiccan.
	Are there LDS witches?
	Might as well cover the whole spectrum here.
	I was calling because what the man said really piqued my interest when he was talking about justice in that sense.
	When I first heard him say that he practiced light and dark, I was like, uh-oh.
	But it really piqued my interest.
	Mine, too, because I had always heard that anything evil or bad or dark done will come back to you by three or whatever in the world of witchcraft.
	However, if what you're doing is pursuing justice, That, karmically, that might not be true.
	Well, that's the thing.
	In my belief, people are not separated from nature.
	That we are a part of nature.
	I believe that.
	Right, so people can be instruments of justice.
	I was just, oh, I wish I could talk to him right now.
	I was trying to get through to see if I could talk to him.
	Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
	I'm going to, contact me.
	If you would, by fax, and put a phone number on there, or email and put a phone number on there, or something.
	And I will see what I can do.
	And in the meantime, do us all a favor and go out and buy a phone.
	Because I would like to interview you more extensively, but that phone you've got, it should be put in a trash compactor.
	When you have a small child you need to have a cordless just to run around and catch them.
	I understand.
	What you then need is you can go out to a swap meet and get just a good old fashioned regular old telephone.
	Remember one of the old ones with the push buttons?
	Yeah.
	That probably says property of the bell system underneath it or something?
	Right.
	And get one of those.
	You plug it in and use it for when you're calling a radio show.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	Okay.
	Thank you dear.
	I would like to I wish we had a better connection.
	Actually, I've got one of those here.
	And you know where I bought it?
	I bought it at a Zloty.
	You know what it says on the back of it?
	Let me see.
	Actually, yup, it says Bell System Property.
	Not for sale.
	And they are some of the best phones in the whole world.
	Just the old-fashioned, um, and I'm not talking about the dial phones now.
	It's a touch-tone phone.
	But, um, the good old heavy phones.
	You know, the kind of phone where Uh, if you're unhappy with somebody, you can crack them over the head and they're gone.
	When they're hit with a bell system phone, one of the old ones, they're gone.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	How you doing, Art?
	Okay.
	Hey, uh, geez, it's been three years since I talked to you last.
	Three years?
	Yeah, and you might remember it, we were talking about putting Newt Gingrich on Mount Rushmore.
	Do you remember that?
	Yes, I do.
	Oh, cool.
	Why did that get a lot of people angry?
	I said, yeah, let's put Newt on Mount Rushmore.
	Chisel his face right in there.
	Maybe even take one of the other ones off if there's not enough space.
	Maybe he did.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Cool.
	Well, I was in Reno then.
	I'm in Oroville now.
	Oroville?
	Oroville, by Chico.
	I know where that is.
	Hey, you used to have caller participation games, you know, like Truth or Trash and... Oh yeah, I'll do that again one day.
	What was that one?
	Didn't you have like... A lot of nights, though, you know, my show is like sort of an ongoing Truth or Trash.
	Now, now.
	But we will play the official game one of these nights.
	Didn't you used to have like a Fast Forward or like a... Fast Blast.
	Fast Blast.
	Yeah, you haven't had that in a long time.
	You want to do it?
	Yeah.
	Another thing, you know when you've got these lines open for the witches?
	Yes.
	Wouldn't it be cool if Stevie Nicks called you some night?
	Beyond cool.
	You did say Stevie Nicks, right?
	Uh-huh.
	She's one of my top ten.
	Is she?
	Maybe top five.
	I saw her in concert about four years ago, and she's changed.
	Really?
	Yeah, she's not quite what she used to be.
	Well, hey, are any of us?
	But I mean, she really changed.
	She's got a whole different aura about her and a whole different style.
	Really?
	Yeah, kind of a real rough... You know when I liked her best?
	Uh, let's see.
	Well, let's see.
	There was actually a video done, and the music, uh... Is it, uh, off the Tusk album?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Right.
	You remember Stevie doing this?
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, they were in the desert, weren't they?
	Oh, yeah, that was my Stevie Nicks.
	Oh.
	Hey, um, you used to play a lot of, uh, Toto Africa.
	Ah, that's right.
	On your bum.
	You're right.
	I haven't heard that in a long time.
	Do you still have it?
	You know, uh, well, yeah, sure, I have everything.
	Um...
	Let me see.
	Do I have that particular one?
	You used to play it once in a while, but I haven't heard it in a long time.
	That is my most favorite band.
	Is it?
	Yeah, they are... You know what I'm thinking of doing?
	I'm sure glad you reminded me, because you know what?
	I want not just the little piece of Toto that I have, but I want the whole thing.
	I'm going to start playing the whole thing.
	Oh yeah, that would be nice.
	Ask you that, too, if you could play a little bit longer of it.
	Um, I absolutely can.
	And I absolutely will.
	How's that?
	Yeah, great.
	Thanks, Art.
	All right, my friend.
	Thank you.
	And, hey, one more thing?
	Yeah.
	Three years?
	That's too long.
	Because I don't know that today I would have Newt chiseled in there.
	In fact, let's see.
	Who would we put on there?
	Who's worthy of being put on there today?
	Today?
	Today, yeah.
	Newt's stock is down, you know.
	Well, not with me.
	Well, yeah, nationally it is, though.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it ever was.
	So who would we put on Rushmore today if we had the opportunity?
	Mitch Richmond of Sacramento Kings.
	If I had my choice.
	Alright, thanks.
	See you later.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
	Hi, my name is Jaden and I am a student of Kane.
	A student of Kane?
	A guy who called earlier?
	A little witch?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I'm his student.
	And how much of a student are you?
	A full student.
	What exactly do you mean by how much of a student?
	Well, I mean, is that like... I mean, would you equate yourself to one of Howard Stern's interns?
	I do consider myself capable, but I've really just begun to learn the knowledge part of it.
	In other words, somebody who is just learning or somebody who is fully capable of exercising
	the powers?
	Well, I do consider myself capable, but I've really just begun to learn the knowledge part
	of it.
	Okay.
	Well, what can you do?
	Give me an example.
	Well, I'm learning the runes, Ancient Norse, but my primary religion is Greek.
	So, I, I'm starting to learn the runes.
	Um, I've done a little bit with weather magic.
	Oh, so it's you!
	Me.
	You're screwing with our weather, huh?
	Oh, no, no, that's not me.
	Well, what exactly do you mean by weather magic?
	Well, as far as my religion of ancient Greek, my patron is Zeus, and he's the storm god, or air god.
	There were some pretty nasty storms down in Texas here recently.
	Was that you?
	No, I can't claim credit for that.
	Good.
	That was pretty awful.
	Yeah.
	You know, I mean, if I concentrate properly, I can get the winds to blow.
	I'm not really very strong yet.
	Like I said, I'm just beginning.
	Is there any possibility that the weather deterioration that we're all experiencing right now is the product of some studied master witch?
	It's possible, but I'm really not sure.
	Where exactly are you located right now?
	Well, as Rush says, that makes no difference as long as I'm here, right?
	Now that I've heard what you have to say, I don't think I want to tell you because probably tomorrow there'd be a tornado or something.
	No, I don't think I'd do that.
	I'm not that bad.
	Or you'd make the weather hot.
	Actually, I try not to mess with the weather too much.
	I really haven't done that much weather magic lately.
	The National Weather Service will be glad to hear that.
	Yes, I'm sure they will.
	You know, the one thing I never thought about with regard to the weather was witches.
	I'll be a son of a gun.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, I appreciate your calling in and telling us this.
	Leave the weather alone.
	What part of the country are you in?
	I'm in the same as Kane, Minnesota.
	Minnesota?
	Yes.
	How's the weather been in Minnesota?
	Cold, wet.
	Well, leave those people alone, sir.
	Let's break it right here.
	That's Toto.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
	This is a record of the 1997 Coast to Coast AM.
	She's coming in twelve bloody flights.
	The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me toward salvation.
	I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words for ancient
	memories.
	He turned to me as if to say, you
	Hurry boy, it's waiting there for you.
	Gonna take the last to take me away from you.
	There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do.
	I guess the rain's down in Africa.
	We're gonna take some time to do the things we never had The wild dogs cry out in the night
	As they grow restless longing for some solitary company I know that I must do what's right
	Sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti I'm just a man.
	I'm just a man.
	I'm just a man.
	I seek to cure my sleeping signs Frightened of the thing that I've become
	Gonna take the light to take me away from you This doesn't matter for me
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time
	Tonight's program originally aired June 3rd, 1997 Now that's Toto
	Gonna take the time to do the things we never did And that's real music
	Good morning everybody, I'm Art Bell.
	Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	And we begin with a little bit of a story.
	It's a story about a man who was a soldier.
	Well, okay, um, this is kind of interesting.
	Art, uh, the TV image of you on my computer is fantastic.
	I see this as a great step in the future of your show.
	How about when the technology gets better, callers from their computers can be seen in a portion of the screen?
	Oh, God, you know, that could be done.
	It's the ultimate show for you.
	You can control everything.
	Then we set our VCRs to record the whole TV show like we do for radio.
	Can you move around more?
	Each image looks the same.
	My wife asks if you can take a little more clothes off with each picture.
	What?
	Says Jerry in Burbank.
	No, Jerry.
	No.
	P.S.
	Went to the L.A.
	screening of Paul David's Timothy Leary's Dead Tonight at Universal.
	It was great.
	It was packed and there was only one hippie in the crowd.
	That was sad.
	I believe after meeting Paul, uh, that the severed head was faked.
	I also think he is responsible for the Roswell autopsy video.
	Ooh!
	All I can say is my wife works with his wife, and I've heard things.
	Yeah?
	Well, um, after what your wife asked for, Jerry, I don't know.
	East of the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, good morning.
	I ordered that Web TV last Wednesday.
	Ah, yes.
	It seems to be a fantastic product I'm really excited about.
	Have you got it yet?
	I called them yesterday, and they promised me they'd ship it today.
	Oh, okay.
	Which is a week from last Wednesday, and they did the second day, so it's a little frustrating, but I'm really excited to get the product.
	Well, what I want you to do is call me when you get it.
	I've got the product, so I can tell you right now, you are going to fall in love.
	Oh, I know.
	I've been hearing you talk about it.
	I'm really excited to get it.
	Thanks for offering it to us out there.
	Sure.
	Thank you very much.
	Sure.
	Look, I'm telling you, not everybody in the world is a computer whiz.
	I mean, that's all there is to it.
	Not everybody is a computer whiz.
	And it's never going to be until computers Until the very nature of computers change.
	Now, I have worked hard, and I really mean I've worked hard, for a couple of years, learning the IBM system, first with Windows 3.1, and now with stinking Windows 95, and DOS, and learned what I can about programming, and, you know, I'm new, and I still struggle and have a love-hate relationship with my computers.
	So, I do understand that not everybody out there wants to venture into this.
	I mean, it's a fairly serious thing to begin to get into, and yet the World Wide Web is extremely enticing, and I can understand you would want to be on the World Wide Web.
	You should be.
	Web TV gives that opportunity.
	Boom!
	And you're on.
	That's it.
	You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get on.
	You press one button and away you go.
	So, I mean, there's a tiny learning curve.
	You have to learn to enter a website that you want to go to, and then you can put it in your favorites list, and then all you have to do is click on that, and boy, away you go.
	But WebTV has a definite big place in the marketplace of technology.
	I recognize that.
	Even though I like my computers, I firmly recognize that WebTV has a place.
	Because I don't blame you.
	A lot of people are intimidated by computers.
	And this will get you on the web.
	Just like that.
	East of the Rockies.
	In good style, too.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, good morning, Art.
	It's Paul in Philadelphia.
	Hi.
	I just wanted to say, great show.
	Thank you.
	I never got to compliment you on the Sarah McClendon interview.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, that was really good.
	I should have her back on.
	She is such a neat person.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I was just, you know, hoping to get through.
	I always miss you, miss the last hour here and everything, so just tried to get through and wanted to say hello and nothing like looking for a witch to divert the mind and have a pleasant evening and whatever.
	That's a fact.
	Everybody needs a little bit of that.
	I'm definitely one of those.
	Thank you.
	He's right.
	Every now and then, I just will take off and do something utterly different, as you can tell.
	I probably always will do that.
	Aloha Art, great clarity and really good refresh rates on your studio cam.
	Would you mind holding up color bars so I can adjust my monitor?
	I don't have any color bars handy.
	I used to have some color bars.
	I don't have them right now.
	Let's see, I don't have anything that would really serve as color bars.
	Uh, you can go by my t-shirt.
	You see that t-shirt there?
	You see where it says Helsinki, Finland, and see the red in the middle?
	That's, that color is red.
	If you're seeing red, uh, and then kind of orange, uh, on the very edge of it, then I would say you're okay.
	Those are not exactly color bars, but that's the best I can do.
	Houston to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	Yeah, I'm calling from Florida.
	Where in Florida are you?
	I am in Fort Myers.
	Fort Myers?
	Yes, I'm in my big truck.
	In your big truck in Fort Myers?
	Yeah, I'm an operator and I listen to your show all the time.
	Are you a... I pick you up on several stations down here.
	Are you able to hear us on WWNZ?
	It's not real good, but 570 out of Tampa and 1110 is coming in wall-to-wall.
	I guess it depends on where you are, huh?
	Exactly, Art.
	Art, one thing I want to bring up quick to you about the weather changes.
	Oh, yes.
	On these high-cube trailers we're pulling, When they're empty, boy, tell people not to get around us.
	These winds are kicking up, these thunderstorms.
	Yes, sir.
	And boy, it blows them things all over the road.
	It's very dangerous, I know.
	It's very dangerous.
	And it's a lot more dangerous when you're running empty?
	A lot more, and that's especially when you're empty.
	When you're full, it's not so bad, but when you're empty, them things are a handful in the wind, especially when you're close to the coast, you come to the bridges and the openings.
	I hear ya.
	Love the show.
	Thank you, my friend.
	I bet he's right.
	Did anybody happen to see the clip on CNN last night?
	of the police chase.
	My God, that speeds up to 150 miles an hour and this guy was in a black car of some kind and he passed one of the trucks like that guy you just heard was driving and then there was another one up ahead and something put this guy into a skid and he went sideways and plowed into the back of this other semi probably doing 100 miles an hour and the car was totally demolished But incredibly, incredibly, this guy was thrown out of the car and came away with a few scratches and bruises.
	You could actually see his body thrown from the car.
	It was the most amazing piece of video.
	I bet a lot of you got to see it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Mark.
	Hi, where are you?
	This is Tim in Orlando.
	Tim in Orlando.
	Yeah, sent you the facts.
	How do you feature that the people of Orlando will accept the weirdness that we do at night?
	Well, we accept Mickey Mouse pretty good.
	Sounds great.
	It's a lot better than listening to the skip like everybody's been saying.
	How do you feature that the people of Orlando will accept the weirdness that we do at night?
	Well we accept Mickey Mouse pretty good.
	I guess we could take you for sure.
	Actually it's strange that you should mention Mickey Mouse in this program in the same breath.
	Yeah, we're like the rodent down here pretty well.
	Well, we are actually on a lot of Mickey's stations now.
	As you must know, Disney has purchased a whole bunch of radio, and we're on a lot of them.
	That's right, ABC, isn't it?
	Yep.
	Hey, great.
	ABC, you've got it.
	Listen, I've got something to ask you about, and that is the guy mentioned about Okoye, Florida and the Chupacabra earlier.
	Oh, yes.
	Another odd thing about Okoye, Florida is that there's a guy over there that has a copy of a picture that's on your web page that's supposedly from Roswell of a UFO and a chopper chasing it.
	Oh, I've got that photograph up on the website now.
	It is an absolutely astounding photograph.
	Right.
	But this guy says, and I've seen the original picture, he's got it over in his shop, the original picture, and it's from Eglind.
	Well, if anybody can get me, if he can have a copy made and send it to me, I would love the scan and get it up on the web.
	Okay, well, it's exactly the same thing what you have on the web.
	I mean, it's exactly the same.
	Is it?
	Yes, but the implication was it was a... My shot is a very clear shot.
	Is it as clear, or is it even better?
	I mean, it looks exactly the same, except it is a photo.
	You know, a printed photo.
	Maybe it's a generation or so earlier.
	If so, I'd love to have a copy.
	Okay, well it looks exactly like the one on your website, except that the pine trees don't look like Roswell pine trees.
	They're from Eglin, Air Force Base up in the Panhandle.
	I would really like to see that.
	Okay, we'll see what I can do about it.
	All right, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Good talking to you.
	Take care.
	That sounds like a similar shot, but if the foliage is different, then obviously I'll take in at a different place.
	Wow.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yes, I just wanted to talk about anything, you know.
	Anything?
	Anything, yeah.
	No, actually, I wanted to talk to you about whether you received my song parody.
	I sent you around Christmas, walking in a paranormal land.
	I think that I do have it, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, you can have it.
	It's yours.
	Thank you.
	You know, I have a lot of them, because many people send me things.
	And so there's sort of a whole bunch of things for me to listen to.
	Right.
	But you know what?
	I sort of remember that.
	I'll have to dig it out and take a listen.
	Okay.
	Well, it's not a tape.
	It's actually just a paper that I gave you with the lyrics on it.
	Oh.
	And it's the Johnny Mathis version.
	Johnny Mathis?
	Yeah.
	Walking in Winter Wonderland.
	Oh!
	To the tune of... Right.
	I knew I remembered it from somewhere.
	Right, and that's www.com.
	WalkinginWinterland.com, actually.
	Okay.
	Anyways, yeah, so I'm glad you got it.
	And, you know, if you want such music, you know, it's yours.
	Just take it.
	You can have the copyright and everything to it.
	Well, I would have to come up with somebody worthy of singing it, because that wouldn't be me, I assure you.
	You don't want to hear me sing?
	Oh.
	I'm a pretty good singer myself, actually.
	I was thinking about sending you a tape.
	Oh, really?
	Well, then do a couple of verses for me.
	Let me hear it.
	Well, let me hear... Oh, God.
	I'm on my computer here.
	Let me shut down for a second.
	Well, why would your computer stop you?
	Well, I can't remember the exact lines here.
	You wrote it!
	I know, but I've written so many that it's kind of hard.
	Okay, let me see.
	How does it start?
	Cattle dead for no reason.
	Zombies' bed is a-freezin'.
	The curses ovay make our bells day.
	Walking in a paranormal land.
	It goes into a... In the meadow there's a chupacabra.
	Hanging from an elephant's neck.
	He came straight up from the depths of hell.
	With the potato in his hand.
	Well, you know what you need?
	Yeah.
	What you need is a karaoke machine.
	That's right, yeah.
	And then you need to whip together a version when you're at your best.
	Okay.
	And send it off to me, and maybe I'll play it on the radio.
	Okay, great.
	I'll send it off to you.
	Either that, or I'll burn it.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	Okay, thanks a lot.
	I'll see you later.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	I wanted to talk to you about witchcraft.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm an authority on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
	You are?
	Yes, I am.
	How does one get to be an authority in this area, by the way?
	Well, it's heritage.
	I have been trained since I was four years old.
	But the person that you had on, the gentleman that was talking about being in the gray area?
	Yes.
	I could tell that he was a novice, because in Wicca, There is no black or white magic.
	Magic is a double-edged sword, and it swings both ways.
	In other words, that person who is the wielder of power is the person who will decide whether it is black or white.
	When you have knowledge, you have the capability of doing either.
	You sound like the real thing.
	I am the real thing.
	How old are you?
	I'm in my forties.
	I have lectured all over the United States.
	I have founded the International Psychic Center in 1972.
	In fact, I'm a friend of Rene Barnett.
	I was on Strange Universe a week before you were, and it was about the Sheryl Crow story, the curse.
	You know what?
	I missed that one.
	Darn it.
	But you know Rene?
	Yes, I do very well.
	You know, I've been requesting this for a... I kid around about it a little bit.
	I say I want to find a broom riding magic dispensing potion.
	Using which?
	Well, I blend my own oils.
	You blend your own oils?
	That is correct.
	I'm into herbs.
	I do have an altar.
	An altar?
	I do do magic.
	Natural magic.
	This is a serious question.
	Again, referring to the young man who was talking about the gray area.
	There is no gray.
	Okay.
	There is, though, a black, isn't there?
	Yes, sir, there is.
	Have you ventured into those areas?
	Yes, I am a warrior for the occult.
	In other words, people who have had a curse placed upon them.
	Yes.
	And I don't care what the sect may be.
	Cacti, Dianic, Saxon, Gardnerian, Santa Terea, Haitian, South American, Jamaican voodoo.
	I do it.
	What is your name?
	Do you want to give it?
	I'd be more than happy to.
	Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	I have a Ph.D.
	in parapsychology.
	Alright, then I guess my next question to you, and I'm going to start to get pretty serious here, is Are you convinced?
	Are you sure that this is a real power?
	It most certainly is.
	What is the source of the power, do you think?
	The source of power is always God, sir.
	Even in the... Well, you can call up nature and the elements.
	You can call up an entity.
	You can deal with the hierarchy of evil.
	There is evocation and summation.
	There are those people who decide to weave that power in the dark side.
	They do gain power and they can be very treacherous.
	Is it true or not?
	It said that if you do an evil thing to somebody, that it will come back to you.
	Is that... Tenfold.
	Normally, yes.
	Normally, yes.
	Are there exceptions?
	Yes, there can be.
	Very few, but there can be.
	Is there a kind of a cosmic justice?
	In other words, if you are doing something in the dark side, which will harm somebody, and you are doing it to achieve justice, or some kind of balance, is that what you're referring to when you say there can be an exception?
	There can be an exception.
	It is rare.
	It is very rare.
	It's a case by case.
	And the ultimate decision would be God's, if you were justified or not.
	So if you did not pay it karmically in this time, you can bet you will in the next.
	Huh.
	Are there many people that have come to you that have had curses placed on them?
	Yes, sir.
	Now, I want to discuss the nature of a curse a little bit.
	There are those who say that you can only be cursed if you believe that a curse will work.
	In other words, if I say this is all balderdash and you're full of it, And there's no way anybody can put a curse on me and I firmly believe that, then I cannot be cursed.
	Is that true or is a curse a real thing that can occur to you whether or not you believe in it?
	If the practitioner is that good, you can be a thousand miles away or ten thousand miles away.
	You can believe it or not believe it and it will reach you.
	It depends on their power and how they can concentrate it as a laser beam and send it to you.
	A curse is usually acquired because somebody is either seeking revenge or is envious of you and wishes you ill will.
	I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
	I've got a break coming up here at the bottom of the hour.
	Yes sir.
	And I would like to hold you over and I would be willing to call you back on my nickel if you want to give me your number during the break.
	Certainly.
	Alright.
	Done deal.
	Stay right where you are.
	I'm Art Bell.
	And from the high desert, this is the magical CDC radio network.
	This should be very, very interesting.
	Are you listening?
	Can you tell?
	She's the real thing.
	So I have some questions.
	How about you?
	Stay right where you are.
	There is more.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3, 1997.
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	now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time
	Now, we go back to Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	I hope I did that right, Evelyn?
	Yes, you did.
	Good.
	You are a self-described, you don't really use the word witch.
	No, I am not.
	I'm an authority on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
	I'm a practicing metaphysician.
	Alright.
	I am going to broach kind of a sensitive area for me, and I may have to blank out your answer, I really don't know.
	But there is something that's been very seriously going on in my life.
	If you've been listening to the program for any period of time, you probably know I've made mention of it.
	Is there any way... Yes, I can help.
	I'll give you an explanation.
	The salt that was used by your wife on the doll, is what they call the first layer of defense.
	Second layer of defense would be sea salt.
	Third layer of defense would be sulfur.
	Third layer of defense would be black salt.
	In other words, when you want to put a shield of protection around you, depending on the individual who is sending you a negativity, you better make sure you pull out the big guns.
	You can also use herbs, and you can also use blended essential oils That are blended specifically for the purpose.
	All right.
	Suppose I wanted to... Put a shield of protection and set up a mirror and send it back to whoever sent it to you?
	Suppose I wanted to do something negative to somebody who has done something negative to me.
	And?
	And, in my own mind, achieve justice.
	And in fact achieve justice.
	It can be done.
	It can be done?
	Yeah.
	Very simply.
	Would you call yourself a seer?
	People have called me that.
	They've called me a magician, a seer, a sorceress.
	I call myself a warrior in the occult.
	I do not like an innocent person that is touched by a practitioner of the dark side.
	I have been raised in the occult in order to protect those Who are innocently touched.
	Okay, then let me try this.
	There are deeds that people do to each other, and I guess you could suggest any evil deed comes from the dark side, but there are in the real world, not the occult world, bad things that people do to each other.
	If somebody does something bad to you in the real world, without it necessarily being connected to the occult, maybe everything is, for all I know, what the hell do I know?
	But, in other words, if they do a bad thing to you, can you respond to them from the dark side to achieve what would be perceived as karmic justice?
	Yes, you can, by setting up a mirror.
	It's called a boomerang.
	In other words, the person has to be worried.
	That is, the sender has to be worried that you have not acquired an individual like myself, who will teach you, one, how to put up a shield of protection, And two, how to set up a mirror, meaning anything that has been sent will be delivered right back.
	There is never an innocent party that has ever touched that way.
	Um, the incident, the thing that I'm referring to, uh, is not specifically the case that you heard about this morning with the doll.
	However, since you brought that up, it's far, far, far more serious than that.
	But since you brought that up, Um, my wife did know then what she was doing when she did that.
	Absolutely.
	First layer of defense.
	Cause I, um, I looked at her and I went, huh?
	No, that is the first layer of defense.
	It's fortunately, if an individual that designed the doll was not a very heavily practitioner, then that would have taken care of it.
	If this person was of great power, then that first layer of defense would have been dissolved immediately, and the curse would not have been taken off of that doll.
	You need more.
	You know, it's a funny thing, but really, having said that it didn't connect to that doll, I honestly have no way of knowing what this thing that has occurred, what it relates to, I have no way of knowing.
	Fascinating.
	What I would like to do is take a few calls.
	I've asked you the serious questions that I want to ask.
	There's not a lot of program left, but I sure would like to see what the audience would have to say.
	Sure.
	Let's just try it and see what we get out there.
	Hello there.
	Are you used to the Rockies?
	You're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Yeah, I'm in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
	We got out of the air at the half an hour there.
	But from what I heard, Dr. Evelyn seems to be practicing the old Eon type of magic that is becoming outdated.
	Really?
	That's an interesting question, doctor.
	Is it outdated?
	Is that a fair comment?
	Well, for those individuals who are dealing with metaphysical practitioners, depending on the sect they belong to, it is my outdated training.
	That is able to perform what I am able to perform.
	And it is the innocent party who is the recipient who is usually looking for someone like me because I take on all comers.
	So in other words, sir, outdated, I'm not sure that's the right term.
	If something works, it might start to become a lost art.
	But if it works, it works, huh?
	But like everything else, magic evolves.
	Oh, that's another good question.
	Oh yeah, it absolutely does.
	It does evolve?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Like I said, knowledge is a double-edged sword, and it is the hand of the wielder of power, whether it becomes black or white.
	You make the decision.
	The power is neutral.
	It's like a gun in the hands of a person who is going to serve and protect you.
	It's going to be a positive.
	But if in the hands of a person who is going to come in and use that gun against you, it becomes a negative.
	The gun itself is neutral.
	It is only a power.
	Anyone who is a practicing metaphysician into magic understands that.
	That's why there is no white, there is no black, there is no gray.
	You either know it or you don't.
	And if you know it, you can handle both.
	God, that's a great analogy.
	The gun is a great analogy.
	Never, rarely, not that I've ever seen, jumps up and kills anybody.
	As you point out, it can be used in any way that the holder wants to use it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi.
	This is Jodea, and it's an honor to speak with you.
	You're going to have to yell at us almost.
	Where are you?
	I am in Seattle, and I consider myself sort of an Episcopalian.
	A Pisgah Pagan?
	Yeah.
	A lot of people laugh at that, but I honor the Goddess, Mother, Maiden, and Crone, and I also honor the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, because I know my history, and so to me, the two of them go very well together, because way back when, before the Catholics took a lot of the Wiccan practices and made them Catholic.
	There was a blending, which is why I think the doctor might refer to the ultimate being God versus Goddess.
	Many Wiccans like to only acknowledge Goddess.
	Oh yeah, and some like Wolden and Freya.
	Yeah.
	Okay, absolutely.
	It depends on what sect you belong to.
	Exactly.
	I'm an occultist and so therefore I have studied all of the sects.
	I'm a practitioner.
	Well, I'm on my way to studying as many as possible, though what works most for me is Yoruban and Wicca.
	I'm an African American woman and my question to you is this.
	What connection does metaphysics or magic have to do with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
	I'm working in the field of mental health and I've noticed that many schizophrenic people tend to hear seven voices, which coincides with a lot of my Yoruban knowledge of the seven African gods.
	Also, I've noticed with manic depression, a lot of it seems to be extremely spiritual for many of the people, and in fact, the psychiatrist or psychologist will refer to it as a God fixation.
	Alright.
	Is there a connection, ma'am?
	There is a connection, only because there have been many individuals who have been placed in institutions many years ago.
	Who indeed were having latent psychic abilities, visions, they were being contacted by spirits or entities, and they have been called schizophrenic, they have been called psychotic, and they have been unfortunately detained.
	And then I suppose years prior to that, many, they were burned.
	Absolutely, especially if they were good.
	Especially if they were good.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Does she have a website, and what is her view on the quickening?
	Are there changes undergoing, the weather changes, and so forth?
	Alright, well, everybody has a website.
	Mine is under construction.
	It is called Mystical Blend.
	I also have a live late-night talk show of the same name.
	And as far as the quickening is concerned, he's right on the money.
	And unfortunately, or fortunately, I have been putting out a newsletter called Insight, and I have been talking about this for the last 25 years.
	We are in the countdown stages.
	1997 to 2004 is one portion of the devastation of the population of Earth.
	It's already begun.
	Yes, it is.
	We're in the middle of it now.
	That's what I would say.
	And it's all around us.
	You have but to... Everybody should buy your book.
	And I'm not just using it as a plug.
	They need to know and I like the fact that you now have on the show where they can get survival equipment emergency.
	It's not there by accident.
	I know it isn't and you're doing a wonderful job.
	People need to have this in their home just like that Beijing radio.
	You must have access to news as well as survival because there are people who have been losing everything in an instant.
	Yes, I know.
	We see it daily on the television.
	There's no question about it.
	Alright.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Pegley.
	Whoops, nope.
	You're a dial tone.
	You can't go on the air.
	First Time Caller Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, hi.
	Alright.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Okay.
	It's off.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Van Nuys, California.
	Van Nuys.
	Yes.
	My son and I, quite a few years ago, separately, have had curses put on us.
	Me physically, and him, well, money-wise.
	Makes a lot, but loses a lot.
	And I wonder if there's any way that I could write this lady, because I have taken my son to many people to have this removed, and it hasn't come off.
	Myself, no one has said they could take it off.
	I've been crippled for quite a few years now, and so I would like to write this, Doctor, if possible.
	Alright, in other words, how to contact you, Doctor?
	well believe it or not i am in the chairman of the day and i area
	and they can't write to me at mystical blend or doctor evelyn peg lindy
	and that's a p o box seven
	nine three-two
	chairman oaks california
	nine one or one
	better do it again doctor evelyn peg lindy p h e
	how i can't find at people back
	five seven
	nine three-two
	chairman oaks california
	nine one or one
	Three.
	All right.
	If I can get it, they can get it.
	That's the way I figure.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	How are you doing?
	I'm all right, sir.
	I got a mouthful of pretzels.
	I'm sorry.
	Never call with a mouthful of pretzels.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Listen, I didn't get a chance to listen to your show tonight.
	Then why would you call?
	Because I have a very interesting piece of information for you.
	Well, I have a guest on the air.
	I'm sorry.
	See, that's what happens when you don't listen and you just call.
	You don't know, and then there's a guest and then... Well, one thing, I was out playing a music gig tonight.
	I'm a musician.
	And then, two, they drop you at five o'clock here in the Midwest.
	Oh, I understand.
	So call me tomorrow night.
	Okay.
	Alright, take care.
	See, you shouldn't do that.
	Don't call the blind like that.
	Well, this is the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	This is Aaron.
	Aaron, turn your radio off, please.
	No problem.
	It's off.
	Good.
	Go.
	Um, I just wanted to know if she's ever heard about the Golden Dawn?
	Absolutely.
	I haven't.
	I've been studying for a little while.
	So you like Trolley, Nathers, and Agrippa?
	You're both talking over my head.
	What are you talking about?
	They are very good practitioners of the occult.
	No longer, of course, among the living.
	But, uh, the Golden Dawn is exceptional.
	Yes, and I'm studying with some friends that are We're still into the books, and they're reading about it, and they're teaching me what they know.
	Yeah, pick up the Equinox, the entire set.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, it will, it's excellent.
	Crawley was a master.
	Yes, he's done a lot of good work.
	Yes, he has.
	Okay, thanks a lot.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Hi.
	Oh, wow.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Jason from Tacoma.
	Yes, Jason.
	Yes, I would like to know if the doctor has any information on clays being used for certain curses, I might say.
	My aunt, I guess, or someone that I was related to, I think, had a woman that lived next door to her who didn't like her very much for some reason.
	I did believe it was jealousy.
	I think the thing was, she took some clay, the woman did, the witch or whatever she was, and put them in the oven.
	And made an effigy.
	Yes.
	Yeah, made an effigy.
	Right now they're using it, talking about evolvement.
	Now they use image candles.
	They're wax figures done in male or female.
	Or you can take cloth and you can design it into a male or female.
	And if you can get something like an article of clothing and a picture, it is called imitative and sympathetic magic.
	Oh, geez.
	Well, she put these feet inside of a little wooden wood stove, and sure enough, blisters all over her feet.
	Oh, yeah.
	Very dangerous.
	Very dangerous people out there.
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	That's why I teach people how to protect themselves.
	Well, my mom and grandma told me about this, and it's just crazy.
	Well, anyway, I'll let you guys go on, and thanks a lot, Art.
	Alright, thank you.
	So, you teach people how to... Here's a good question for you, Doctor.
	How is one able to discern The difference between, you know, bad luck, in other words, a bad occurrence, and something that has been, a curse that has been put on you.
	How can you know that?
	Because normally it will run a cycle.
	If you are in a negative cycle, there is an end to it.
	It only lasts for a specific length of time.
	It only hits a particular area.
	But when someone's after you, They want to hit you in more than one area.
	And it just keeps coming.
	And it keeps coming and it keeps feeding upon itself.
	And that's why you have to learn how to put up a shield of protection.
	What I do is not only cleanse a person, but I give them the tools, because I want to wean them from me.
	I want them to know how to help themselves.
	So that this way, if somebody tries again, you see, if I want you bad enough, I'm going to keep coming after you.
	Especially if I'm a practitioner.
	So what you need to know is how to defend yourself.
	And that's what I teach.
	Well, that makes sense.
	I mean, even in the martial arts, it is primarily a defense system and only if necessary and rarely an offensive system.
	That is correct.
	So there is a similarity or a parallel there?
	Absolutely.
	This is really fascinating stuff.
	You know, we're coming to the end of this program is what's happening.
	We're running out of time, but what I would like to do is be able to call on you at a future date at an earlier time.
	Be more than happy to, sir.
	When we can do a program.
	Be more than happy to.
	All right.
	In that case, I think that I will give you the honors this night.
	You know what those are?
	Yes, they are.
	Well, find a unique way to do it and be my guest.
	Listen every single night that you can to Art Bell.
	Because he's a man that has a lot of knowledge, reaching a lot of people, doing a lot of good.
	Tune in tomorrow night.
	That was not a curse, ladies and gentlemen.
	That was an invitation.
	Evelyn, thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Take care.
	That's Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
	Well, you know, that's spontaneous radio, folks.
	That's what that is.
	And that's all there is for tonight.
	Now, tomorrow night is going to be a very interesting night.
	One of the Oklahoma bombing victims, Marsha Keitel, will be here.
	And then Joyce Riley.
	The next night, David Oates.
	It's going to be interesting.

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