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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines 'Witch Hunt'

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be, and welcome to yet another edition of Coast to Coast AM.
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		I'm Mark Bell, and this is the weird radio program in the nighttime that you've heard about.
		And I'm sure that's what it'll be tonight.
		Let me tell you what's going on.
		Tonight is going to be open lines.
		Anything you guys want to talk about is fine with me.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, I'm just about ready to go on a witch hunt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean a real witch hunt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do this every now and then.
unidentified		One time I had luck.
unidentified		I've never...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll explain to you why I'm going to do that.
		As you, let's see, tomorrow night, let me take care of that first.
		Tomorrow night is going to be a very serious night, so I intend to have fun tonight.
		Tomorrow night, we are going to have at 11 o'clock, beginning of the show here in the West, Marcia Kite, who is in Denver.
		Marcia Kite, I spoke with earlier in the day, and she lost her 23-year-old daughter in the explosion at the Murrifell Federal Building, and she has attended every day of the trial, save one, when they were doing phone records or something.
		And I thought it would be particularly useful to be able to talk to somebody who's been, who was able to do what we, of course, have not done, aside from her intense interest, obviously, in the trial.
		She has been there, and she got to hear all the evidence we did not get to hear, that which 12 people who convicted Mr. McVeigh heard.
		And so she will be our guest in the first portion of the show.
		And then she will be followed by Joyce Riley.
		And Joyce Riley has some absolutely shocking information for you.
		So that's what's coming up tomorrow night.
		You're not going to want to miss that for sure.
		Let me announce, I have got, I don't know, probably hundreds of messages.
		And yes, I still have AOL.
		We're in negotiation at the moment.
		But there are hundreds of messages in there from people who have seen and love our new live studio cam.
		And it's been a blast, absolutely a blast.
		Now, I'm learning something, that's for sure.
		Have you ever taped, try this just for fun one night, the NBC Evening News with Tom Brokaw?
		And as Brokaw does the news, take your remote control, if you've got a good forehead VCR, and freeze frame Brokaw at almost any moment, and he has the dumbest look on his face.
		Tom Brokaw looks like a complete idiot when you freeze frame him.
		And occasionally, and of course that's what this program is doing, about every 30 seconds it's taking a freeze frame shot of me, processing it in my computer through my local ISP to a server in Arizona where it is then processed and goes out over the net.
		So if you go up to my website, the first thing you see up there is in New Items Live, a studio cam.
		And when you go to it, you get a very, very, very high quality updated photograph every, I don't know, 40 seconds, whatever it is, you know, however often it updates, you get it.
		And so it freeze frames me, and I never really know how it's going to catch me.
		And so I guess I know how Tom Brokoff feels.
		Because there will be an occasional, very flattering photograph, and there will be an occasional photograph where your tongue is hanging out.
		It just depends on how the camera catches you at that moment.
		And even though I know when it's going to take the photograph, it counts down in seconds and tells me, all right, boom, and then it freezes for a second and starts counting down again.
		So I could look over there and pay attention, but I don't.
		I mean, I can't pay attention to that.
		I've got to pay attention to doing the programming.
		But it's a lot of fun.
		And we're getting rave reviews.
		And we're doing a little tweaking.
		And for those of you who have been watching the live studio cam, let me tell you what the plans are.
		I would expect in the next two days, we're going to get a video sequencer and another camera, which I am going to mount off to the side so that you can be able to see my studio console, and you'll see me from either the back or the side as well.
		And we will have it sequenced between those two camera shots.
		Keith, at the same time, is tweaking in Arizona and getting things working the way he wants them to work.
		I've actually had people putting together collages into a little moving motion picture of Art Bell in motion.
		You know, with the shots this far apart, I'm not sure it's meaningful, but they're doing it out there.
		And I'm getting a lot of people who are sending me back renditions of what they have received on their end.
		The whole thing is a blast.
		And we're going to do one other thing tonight.
		This is radio with television.
		Pretty weird stuff, folks.
		The other thing that we are going to do tonight is my wife has agreed to come in.
		And So you're going to get to see my, I can't tell you when, but at some point tonight, Ramona will come in, and you'll get to see her.
		And so all of you who are picture savers out there, that'll be your big moment.
		I don't know what it's going to be.
		I can't tell you, but she is definitely going to come in.
		She has promised.
		And I thought you would enjoy that.
		All right, look, new affiliates, new affiliates, new affiliates.
		Welcome, KGAL AM in Albany, Oregon.
		1580 on the dial in Albany.
		Glad to have you on board.
		Here's a big one, folks.
		WWNZ in Orlando, Florida.
		50,000 watts on 740.
		Ooh my.
		50,000 watts on 740.
		So rounding out to about 360-something affiliates for Coast and about 370 or 380 as an aggregate for the two programs, something like that.
		And I am instructed here that I should give a special thanks to Russell Smith, who's the chief engineer of WNNZ, WWNZ, get it straight art, WWNZ, in Orlando, because I guess Russell jumped through a whole bunch of hoops to get the technical side of things going.
	And Russell, I surely know how that goes, my friend.
	So thank you very, very much.
	As a matter of fact, it says here, Russell has helped get Coast Coast on at least three or four of your affiliates.
	Really?
	So he's a traveling guy.
	Anyway, thank you, Russell, and glad to be on.
	This will cover, I would imagine WWNZ will cover, well, you know, we ought to find out.
	But at 50,000 watts, it ought to cover a whole bunch of central Florida and more, obviously.
	So we're glad to have you on board.
	Now, it's going to be open lines.
	Let me first tell you about my little witch hunt before we go any further.
	And I know I always catch hell for this, but it doesn't matter.
	I am looking for a real broom-riding, spell-casting, magic-dispensing witch.
	You know, a witch.
	No, not a practitioner of Wicca, nor do I mean to in any way demean the practitioners of Wicca.
	You guys know that is not what I mean.
	And Bern-Marie, you're already typing, I know, out there in San Francisco.
	And everybody will tell me you will never find one, but I did find one once.
	And the reason I'm bringing this up tonight is because I had a very nice lady, and I won't even tell you who she is, call me and tell me, I'm your broom riding witch.
	And she sent me photographs and everything.
	Man, she looked like a witch.
	I went, oh, wow, this is it.
	And I called her up, and she was a very nice lady, but she was a practitioner of the white arts and the white light.
	And that is not what I'm after.
	Again, so that I can specify here, I am after a broomriden.
	Metaphorical, okay?
	You don't really have to have a broom.
	Broomriden, spellcastin', magic dispensing, witch.
	That's what I want to find.
	So if there's any witches out there, get hold of me by fax and I will call you.
	Now surely a witch would have or could have access to a fax machine, right?
	And fax me at area code 702-727-8499.
	Now I want to remind everybody, as I do every night, I've got a three-page fax max.
	Anybody who sends in excess of three pages, well, I'll leave it at that.
	Three-page maximum, as I always announce.
	So tax me, area code 702-727-8499.
	I want to interview a real witch.
	I know you're out there.
	All right, the serious stuff.
	Jurors Wednesday begin to consider whether Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh will be executed or spend his life in prison.
	It should be quite a process.
	The prosecution plans to call 45 witnesses over a period of three days.
	Most, including no doubt my guest tomorrow night, will talk about the loss of their loved ones.
	It's going to be very heart-wrenching.
	You are going to see testimony over the next three days that is going to be hard to watch.
	A legal analyst say Timothy McVeigh's best hope for avoiding the death penalty may be to beg for mercy from the jury.
	When the penalty phase of the trial begins Wednesday, the same jury of seven men and five women are going to be asked to decide whether McVeigh should be sentenced to life in prison or death by lethal injection.
	A law professor at the University of Colorado and a former federal prosecutor said, quote, my opinion is Timothy McVeigh's only real promising hope is to confess the crime and express extraordinary remorse.
	Well, let's see, what else have we here?
	More sex misconduct at Aberdeen, the Aberdeen Army proving ground in Maryland.
	We've got a commander there going into early retirement admitting to adultery.
	Lieutenant Fernaferi committed five years ago when he was in divorce proceedings.
	Wow.
	President Clinton's plane had to alter Course.
	It had a close encounter of another airplane kind.
	There is a very strict rule that suggests that other airplanes must remain within a certain distance of Air Force One, and if not, Air Force One must change course, and they had to do that.
	Let's see, what else?
	More evacuees from Africa.
	And this is interesting.
	Parents are being warned about the potential dangers of window cords, windowblind cords.
	Apparently, toddlers are being choked to death.
	As a matter of fact, they say 183 of them were accidentally strangled to death between 1981 and 95.
	183 children choked to death by window cords.
	Holy moly.
	I've got a New York Times article here on the weather.
	As you know, it is changing, and now the New York Times has caught on.
	There was also an extensive story on CNN showing a lot of the same interesting photographs that Stan Deo showed and predicting the beginning of an El Niño, which will change weather patterns worldwide.
	And that is beginning in earnest, apparently, in the Pacific Ocean.
	So there you have that.
	And I've just got a whole bunch of stuff here, but I think I'll hold on to a lot of it.
	Oh, confirming an earlier story, the Associated Press from the Let's see, what newspaper is this?
	I'm going to have to dig out which newspaper it is, but it's an AP story.
	They are beginning a mass vaccination program in the Dominican Republic.
	Now, that is interesting because I ran, as you know, with Dr. Horowitz, a story indicating something very serious was going on there.
	And now we're going to find out that they're going to literally try and inoculate the entire Dominican Republic.
	The Medical Association warns the actual number of cases of this strange disease could rise to 45.
	The disease is passed on by coughing, sneezing, or through saliva, and is characterized by high fever, chills, and vomiting.
	Doctors expect the death rate range from 30 to 90%.
	Wow.
	So for those of you that did not think that what Dr. Harwood said was real, it apparently is very real and is being no doubt kept very quiet, the Dominican Republic being, of course, a hot tourist location.
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		You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
		I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
		I think you're absolutely correct.
		But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always speaks more.
		And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
		Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
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		Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
		It's just a matter of time.
		Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time Okay, let me see now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you've ever wondered, the real reason women talk more than men is they've got the brains for it.
		I don't know about this article.
		It says scientists have discovered that two language control areas in the female brain are significantly larger than those in the male brain.
		We measured the brains of 10 men and 11 women after death and found that the Wernicke's Center, I guess it is, Wernicke Center, which helps us interpret words and sounds, takes up to 30% more of women's brains.
unidentified		Ooh!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this area, according to the doctor, which helps us select words, sentences, and grammar, is 20% bigger in women than men.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is quite, they say, a dramatic finding, I should say.
		It's the first time we've seen such a biological difference in the human brain between men and women.
		You know, but I would have to comment here that not always does it result in higher quality speech.
		Now, it seems to result many times in volume and greater volumes of speech.
		Now, this is my observation.
		But have you ever run into one of those chatty women?
		They drive me absolutely crazy.
		And they say absolutely nothing.
		Bigger brains, huh?
		Herat from Peruff.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3, 1997.
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		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I am Art Bell, and in a moment, I've got a fellow with a kind of a...
		Art, I sent this to you on the night that you had the Air Force officer talking about the UFO over the missile silo.
		Oh, yes, we had an Air Force officer here who talked about a UFO over one of our silos.
		But he said you didn't get it because of the three-page limit that I just realized tonight.
		Also, I was afraid to talk to you then because I was working at NSA.
		That's no such agency or national security agency.
		But I was fired last week, so now I don't care.
		UFO stopping an aircraft carrier.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, when I got this, this fact, it indicates that he knows about an aircraft carrier that was stopped by a UFO, an unlikely event.
		I called Jim.
		We won't identify him.
		And I really have, let's see, where is he?
		Oh, he's in Maryland.
		Maryland.
		And I won't identify him any further than that.
		In a moment, I'll bring him on the air and we'll ask him about it.
		This is another one of those spurs.
		A lot of things that we do on this program are done on the spur of the moment.
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		Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
		Smart idea?
		I would love to see that happen.
		A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
		Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
		What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
		Now we take you back to the night of June 3, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		The End Now, um, a UFO stopping an aircraft carrier?
		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim's on the line.
		Jim, hi.
		Good morning.
		I take it you're in Maryland somewhere, huh?
unidentified		Yes, in Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you worked for the NSA?
unidentified		Yeah, for 21 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		21 years?
		Yes, for the NSA.
		Before we get into details, what's, I mean, you know, what's it like working for no such agency?
unidentified		It's pretty stressful, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an answer I would expect.
		Stressful.
		Yes, very stressful.
unidentified		I'm a little kind of relieved that I'm not there anymore, to be honest with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got canned?
unidentified		Yeah, it didn't have anything to do with UFO, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You weren't spying or anything?
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		creating a disturbance in the workplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was kind of...
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, not that bad.
unidentified		Just dissatisfied with a lot of waste that goes on and co-workers not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were a whistleblower.
unidentified		Well, sort of.
unidentified		Got a little voicerous in my discontent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you went vocally postal?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I think I've got the picture.
		Well, that's a hell of a deal after 21 years.
		Do you get out of there with any retirement?
unidentified		I have some, yeah, I have some money in a retirement system that I'll be able to draw on when I get a little older.
		So I'm in the trades.
		I have a good skill.
		I can do work.
		I'll be working.
		I'm not worried about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does a skill that one uses in NSA translate to the civilian world?
unidentified		Oh, I involved in electrical distribution and electricity, so I'll be able to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, so you're willing to say something that you obviously could not say when you were working for the NSA?
unidentified		Well, I was, you know, it's one of those touchy subjects.
		Really didn't have too much to do with there.
		I was in the military.
		I was in the Navy and communications in the 60s and 70s.
		And I experienced a pretty terrifying experience on board the John F. Kennedy aircraft carrier one evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The John F. Kennedy?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell us what you did on that aircraft carrier?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what kind of job?
unidentified		I worked in the communications department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Communications, that figures, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what happened?
unidentified		Well, one evening, all the communications went out.
		We heard on the intercom from a signal bridge that we heard a sailor yelling that God was here at the end of the world.
		And then another more rational sailor got on the intercom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That God was here and it was the end of the world?
unidentified		Yeah, that's what he was yelling.
unidentified		God's here at the end of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might be a rational conclusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was he seeing?
unidentified		Well, another sailor got on the intercom that was a little more rational, and he said there's something.
		All he said was there's something hovering over the ship.
		There's something over the ship.
		And I had heard from the other part of communications that all communications were out, voice and teletype.
		So a couple of us ran out.
		We were right below the flight deck.
		We ran out to the edge of the flight deck, looked up, and we saw this big glowing sphere hovering over the island structure, the center of the aircraft carrier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A glowing sphere.
unidentified		Sphere, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How high above, how big?
unidentified		It was really hard to say.
		It was in the evening.
		The sun had just gone below the horizon.
		It was still somewhat light, but you really couldn't see the horizon.
		There was no reference point.
		If it was low, it would have been a couple hundred feet in diameter.
		If it was a little bit higher, you know, say 6,000 or 7,000 feet, it would have been even bigger.
		But it was hard to judge.
		It looked to me a couple hundred feet in diameter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		The only thing that I know, and I'm just a civilian, I was in the Air Force, but I've been a civilian a long time now, that could knock out everything.
		It's funny, a friend of mine wrote a book about this that could knock out all the communications on an aircraft carrier would be an EMP pulse.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a hell of a big one at that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, we have been briefed on that effect.
		Of course, years ago that was classified, EMP type of thing.
		Nobody knew, if everybody knew about it, so it was classified then.
		But it not only knocked out communications, it knocked out everything electronic.
		All the radar ceased to work.
		Compses were going around and around, and just about everything that was electronic wouldn't operate.
		They couldn't even launch any planes.
		The planes wouldn't start.
		So we were actually helpless in the water.
		We were able to maneuver, we can move, but that was it.
		Nothing else worked.
		I only saw this object for a few seconds because battle stations were sounding, general quarters, and I had to go back to my station, which was in communications.
		But later that evening, we were up all night talking about it.
		Sure you were?
		Yeah, I had been on the ship.
		I knew a lot of the people, and I had been on there for a couple years, and having had discussions with radar operators and people that were on the bridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, how many men would be on the John F. Kennedy, or probably in these days, in those days, was it just men or were there?
unidentified		Just men.
unidentified		Just men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we got.
unidentified		About 5,000.
unidentified		About 5,000 men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 5,000 men.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of those 5,000 do you think saw this, whatever it is?
unidentified		Probably only about 20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes sense.
unidentified		And I can explain that.
		It's very easy to explain.
		We had just completed a very long flight operations in excess of 20 hours.
		And the majority of the crew that normally worked on a flight deck were below getting cleaned up, getting something to eat, trying to get some rest.
		So by the time this event started, and General Quarters was sounded, and the crew started arriving back on the flight deck, the object Had gone.
		And even on a carrier, you cannot really get out into the open.
		The flight deck is restricted because of the dangers.
		And there's really very few places that you can go and observe the sky on a carrier when they're in full operations.
		So it seems incredible out of 5,000 men, there were only maybe 15 or 20 eyewitnesses.
		That would be the bridge crew and anybody that did get back out on the flight deck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, how long would you say the object hovered and how long did you lose communications?
unidentified		It was about 20 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so when you lost communications, the aircraft carrier came to a dead stop?
unidentified		No, we were able to move.
unidentified		We were able to move through the water and turn left and right, but that was about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing, Jim, that has always puzzled me.
		Project Blue Book, the great whatever you want to think it was, the government issued, the Air Force said the final conclusion was, well, yes, some of these are unexplained.
		We don't know what they are.
		However, they are not a threat to national security.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But when they can stop an aircraft carrier, that's a threat as far as I'm concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of thought the same thing about hovering over the missile silo.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's deactivating American ICBMs, and then in another case, hovering over a Russian missile silo and putting the damn thing into launch sequence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if these things are not threats to national security, what is?
unidentified		That's a good question.
		That's a $64,000 question.
		And, of course, at the time of the event, and you were in the military.
		You know a little bit how the military thinks.
		Whenever they experience something they can't explain, they classify it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Because they didn't know if this object was Russian, alien, Chinese.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that makes sense, of course.
unidentified		So I never had to sign anything, but the commanding officer came on the closed-circuit TV system to address the crew a few days later, which was standard procedure.
		And I'll never forget this as long as I live.
		He talks about the operational readiness exercise we had just completed and how we were going back to Norfolk to stand down.
		We were going to deploy to the Med in a few months.
		And then at the very end of his speech, he said, I would like to remind the crew that certain events that take place aboard a major naval combatant vessel are considered classified and not to be discussed with anyone without a need to know.
		And that was all that was ever said officially of the whole event, as far as I heard.
		And I've always been very patriotic.
		And having been patriotic, I didn't say a word about the event for years and years.
		And just recently, though, I've become very interested in the whole UFO phenomenon and been thinking a lot about it.
		And I've started to tell people the stories that happened.
		And like I said before, working where I was, I didn't want to bring any attention to myself at all because, you know, it's a way that you can lose your clearance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Everybody say anything, but now that I'm civilian again, I still can't talk about some things, but I don't know that much anyway.
		I just took care of electricity.
		But anyway, now that I don't have that pressure on me, I figured, well, I'm going to go ahead and tell some people about this.
		Maybe I'll contact Dr. Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you ought to contact Dr. Greer, and maybe there are others among the 20 or 30 who no doubt are listening and who will now come forward, Jim.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an incredible story.
unidentified		Yeah, and the quickening I have felt, I'm about your age, and I have felt in the past few years that something, you know, you could just sense it.
unidentified		Like you said, the pit of your stomach, sometimes you just feel something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's not a question about it.
unidentified		Right.
		Something's coming to a culmination.
		We just don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, I appreciate your coming forward.
		It is really an incredible story.
		Now, if you, I guess, you know, if you went vocally postal on them and you would like to do any of that here, you're welcome to do it.
		In other words, what was going on that frustrated you so badly?
		Waste, I mean, we all like to hear where our black budget tax dollars are being wasted.
unidentified		I've always been, you know, I'm a taxpayer too, and I don't want to see any waste.
		I want money well spent.
		Like I said, I'm very patriotic.
		During the Vietnam era, I didn't run off to Canada.
		I joined the military and served my country.
		I didn't particularly like the situation that was going on, but I loved my country enough that I wasn't going to run off.
		But anyway, and I would see certain things happening where money was being wasted and people getting promoted that were incompetent and this type of thing.
		And it just gets on your nerves.
		I always said I wasn't ever really suited for federal employment because I'm too conscientious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that's called the Peter principle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That people are ultimately promoted to positions for which they are not qualified.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is almost like a rule of nature.
unidentified		I think so, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if they just keep quiet and don't make waves, they progress in the chain of advancement until they finally reach a position for which they're utterly not qualified.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I had gone to schools.
		I had gone to schools sponsored by them.
		And it didn't matter whether you, I would always put my best effort into it.
		And other people would just kind of sit back and coast through it.
		Well, we both got the same pay.
		We both got promoted.
		I didn't get any extra recognition.
		And it just irritated me.
		I always put forth a good effort.
		Other people would just sit there like a bump on a log and they'd just move right along.
		And it was irritating.
		It was very frustrating for a conscientious person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that it was.
		So you really let go?
		I mean, how seriously did you let go?
unidentified		It was a couple events, actually.
		It wasn't just one.
		I always say, I kind of laugh in the eye.
		I say I chewed out the boss one too many times.
		I would let it out no matter who was there, who it was.
		I didn't play the political game.
		I spoke my mind, and that's just not accepted anymore.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Jim, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very, very much for coming on the air, and hopefully, we will hear from others on this.
unidentified		I really like seeing the pictures of you, too, in the studio.
unidentified		It's really great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you were able to see those.
unidentified		Yeah, I was sitting here watching you, getting ready for the show, actually.
unidentified		I was watching and getting ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a big advance.
		Thank you very much, my friend.
		Take care.
		Yes, we're getting comments on the live studio cam.
		Hundreds and hundreds of comments.
		And some of them, because of the nature of the camera, well, here's someone, for example.
		Tonight I have on a shirt that, by the way, I got from Helsinki, Finland.
		And while I was in Helsinki, Finland, I thought that'd make a nice little prop t-shirt, you know.
		And so I've got a fan from Monterey, Roger, who says, hey, Art, the live shots are pretty cool.
		Is the Helsinki t-shirt an advertisement for hair products?
		No, Roger, it is not.
		It is a souvenir being in Finland.
		Do you ever open your eyes?
		Is that fluorescent lighting?
		You know how bad that is for you?
		No, Roger, it is not fluorescent.
		You have back problems.
		Sitting up straight and using a better chair may help.
		This is going to be interesting.
		No, I'm not giving you a hard time.
		I am simply paying attention.
		I like my chair, Roger.
		Do you know, I picked out this chair when I knew I was going to come home and I was going to be doing the show from home instead of the studio where I used to work, which had a horrible chair, by the way, absolutely horrid.
		And I knew I was coming home, I went out and sat in chairs.
		I spent about an hour sitting in chairs because I knew I would be sitting in this chair for a long time.
		And I found out, I found one that supported my back just properly.
		And that is what I am now using.
		I'm very pleased with my chair.
		And as for the, look, I wear glasses.
		That's why you can't see my eyes.
		And let me see, in five seconds, it'll take it.
		So let me open my eyes wide and give you a shot that probably makes me look like that guy who ran the cult.
		So I just took off my, did you ever see the picture of the fellow, what's his name, who ran the cult from Rancho, Santa Fe?
		His wide eyes.
		I just gave you a shot like that, took off my glasses.
		It is the glasses that make it look like my eyes are closed, I believe.
		So there, you've got a great big shot of a wide-eyed Art Bell.
		We're going to have to learn how to deal with this.
		As I said, sometime I think this next hour, I'm going to entice my wife to come in and take a look at her.
		Television.
		So cool.
		Television is so cool.
		Don't forget now, I am on a witch hunt.
		I am on a witch hunt.
		I'm looking for a real my description, and I don't care how much trouble I get in for saying it, broom riding, spellcastin', magic doing, witch, that kind of a witch.
		And maybe I will open a special line for a witch later.
		And you've got to sift through a lot of people who claim to be this or that until you get a real witch.
		But they are out there, despite what the Wiccans have to say.
		They are out there.
		Incidentally, from Bay Area headlines, you know what?
		I ought to hold this till the top of the hour until the Bay Area joins us.
		So I'm going to do that.
		We're going to take a break.
		Top of the hour is on the way.
		We'll be right back.
		It's in Anything Goes Night.
		Whatever's on your mind is fair game.
		We'll just have a lot of fun tonight because tomorrow night is going to be real serious.
unidentified		You're listening to Arch Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
		Oh, we gotta get right back to where we've got it wrong.
		We gotta get right back to where we started wrong Do you remember that day?
		Do you remember that day?
		When you will take my way, I don't wanna want to take your place.
		You get hurt by the little things I see.
		I can put that smile back on your face when it's all right and it's coming.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning, everybody.
		I have just ordered, actually, my beautiful wife, Ramona, who you've got to see, if you are watching live cam.
		During this last break, she snuck in here and let it take a few photographs of her.
		And then she said, how about bringing me a cat?
		So I brought her Comet, who proceeded, and I'm sure it didn't snap that, although maybe it did.
		Comet got in the room and leapfrogged off her chest using all claws in full action.
		And so she's trying to get the blood all taken care of right now.
		And Comet went several feet into the air.
		I don't know.
		He's always going to be wild.
		He's always going to be a wild child.
		No doubt about it.
		Good morning, everybody.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Now, it's open lines tonight.
		It's anything you want to do, anything that you'd enjoy doing.
		I'm on a witch hunt this morning, and I knew well what to say and what not to say this time.
		I always make a disclaimer because I know that the minute I ask for a broomriden witch, I'm going to get a fax from Bryn Marie in San Francisco and everybody else who's into Wicca.
		And I got one, and I wish I could read it.
		When Comet jumped, all the faxes in here went flying.
		And I don't know where that one went, but she said, all right, all right, all right, disclaimer.
		Something like that.
		I'll find that and read it to you.
		It was a wild moment in here before I came back on the air.
		animal.
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		Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, Comet really did nail my wife pretty hard.
		Maybe I'll bring her in and she can show you her scratches sometime.
		Boy, he really got her.
		Really got her.
		Art, the live cam is great.
		When the asteroid zeros in on for rump, do you have enough cable to get it to a window for a live shot?
		Yes, I do.
		Yeah, we can have an outside cam, a UFO cam.
		I never thought of that.
		I thought of a microphone once, and I've always been meaning to put a microphone outside, but now that there's an opportunity to put it, you know, gosh boy, you know, I could put an outside camera.
		I could mount a camera outside, by golly.
		And we have some pretty beautiful scenery here.
		We've got an 11,900-foot mountain that stands over the little town that I'm in.
		I mean, you know, a rocky-sized mountain, that's a big mountain.
		There's still snow on it, a little bit, even now.
		I would say 10 months or 9 to 10 months out of the year, there's snow on that mountain.
		It's very pretty, so I could have an outside cam.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world stands in front of us.
		So I'm getting all kinds of things like this.
		Love the art cam.
		When you're going to go to streaming video, face-it-art, it's inevitable.
		Yeah, but you won't get the kind of quality you're getting now.
		Art studio cam is great.
		I'm looking at Ramona waving.
		Will this be on during Dreamland?
		I would like to show my son.
		Yes, it will.
		Sure, we'll have it on during Dreamland.
		I see it probably during most live shows, unless I want a night of privacy.
		Now, there may be some nights when I don't feel like doing this.
		And if I don't, then I'll turn it off.
		That's all.
		If you want to see our live studio Cam, you can by going to www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell.com.
		Welcoming WWNZ.
		50,000 watts on 740 in Orlando, Florida.
		So you'd have to look at 50,000 watts on 740.
		Must cover like a giant chunk of Florida, if not the majority of.
		I don't know.
		We'll find out.
		And KGAL in Albany, Oregon, 1580 on the dial.
		Welcome both of you to the network.
		Glad to have you.
		There is a very interesting story.
		It's open lines tonight, but here is one.
		We just had a man on the air, by the way, if you missed the first hour.
		There was a man who worked for the NSA, he says, and was fired for going vocally postal on them and now tells the story of an aircraft carrier, the John F. Kennedy, that was stopped dead cold by a UFO hovering above it.
		Oof, what a story.
		And now this, and I've been hearing about this and hearing about it, and I suppose I should have this guest on.
		Does the Bible contain a secret code that foretells the future?
		This is a Reuters news story, folks, not an Art Bell story, a Reuters news story from New York.
		With reviewers and experts denied an advanced look.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A book was published around the world this week claiming that the Old Testament contains a secret code that 3,000 years ago foretold the Holocaust and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.
		The book says the code, found in the Bible by an Israeli computer expert, figures, also foretold many other of history's major events and warns of an atomic war that could bring the end of the world in 2000 or 2006.
		Oh my!
		Trumpeted with full-page advertisements in publications like the New York Times, the Bible Code has been snapped up in Hollywood by Warner Brothers, that sees it as a perfect vehicle for those who like their Raiders of the Ark flavored with large doses of Nostradamus-style predictions.
		Ooh, I've got to interview this guy.
		So if anybody out there knows the fellow who has written this book, by all means, by all means, folks, please send him my way and I will interview him.
		Well, I'm not surprised.
		While we're on the subject of things that would seem to agree with my book, let me hit my book one time here because it's selling out.
		The second printing is selling out.
		It's going like crazy.
		And I just, I don't know, maybe they're going to be ordering the third printing shortly.
		So here's a deal.
		And this deal is not going to be going much longer, I can tell you right now.
		I have authored a book called The Quickening.
		It apparently has resonated with a lot of people because we have never seen such ordering in all our lives.
		The Quickening is, I think, 337 pages.
unidentified		Oh, you know, I could get...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just realized that I can hold that up and show people.
		Television.
		Can you believe it?
		Television.
		The quickening is a well-documented, careful explanation of everything I have come to believe and now have proven regarding what we are going through.
		Here she comes.
unidentified		Here comes my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I'm going to hold it up so you can see it.
		Let's see.
		Anyway, it is a compilation of things that I have come to believe are absolutely true through the years that I have been doing this program.
		And I'll try and give you a shot from the front and otherwise as well.
		I hope that comes out.
		And now I'll give you a side shot if I can.
		It really is a very, very fine book.
		It's a well-made book.
		They do nothing but the best quality work.
		So that's The Quickening.
		And if you'd like an autographed first edition copy of The Quickening, you really need to act because I'm not going to be doing that for too much longer.
		So let me give you the phone number, and they are ready for immediate shipment.
		Now, what's going to happen is the same thing that occurred last time.
		In other words, when I run out of books, I will stop advertising because it is too frustrating to people.
		And so I will stop the advertising.
		And I know a lot of people say, oh, good, we don't want to hear it anyway.
		But I wouldn't wait because I am told my publisher says the second printing is going about like the first.
		The number is 1-800-864-7991.
		You can call it right now.
		Or if you can't get through right now, because it's obviously going to get very busy very quickly, write the number down and call tomorrow or something.
		But in the meantime, pick up the phone right now and see if you can get through.
		I'm getting rave reviews on the book.
		As a matter of fact, one night when we have time, well, maybe even tonight, we'll open the line for people who have read the book and would like to give their own reviews.
		I'm not afraid to do that at all.
		Open line straight ahead, east of the Rockies.
		You are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Vince Coin from just outside of Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Vince.
unidentified		You know, you had a little teaser last night on the program.
unidentified		You said that you had spoken to Richard Hoagland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to him again today.
unidentified		You know, I'd like to say that I think Richard is one of the most interesting and intelligent people in America today.
unidentified		And, you know, sometimes when he talks in this program, it's just the drama is just so intense and intriguing, you can cut it with a knife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I almost wish you wouldn't mention that, because what he's got going on right now, let's see, what could I tell you?
		I can't tell you much about it.
		I can tell you that we are talking, you know, I guess you've heard the news about this scientist who years ago said that cometary material is consistently piling into the earth, adding like an inch of water every so often.
		I mean, serious amounts of cometary material.
		That scientist, whose name I just can't recall this moment, may be coming on toward the end of the week.
		We don't know yet.
		Then there's a thing about Egypt, and you're right, it's a teaser because this is so serious, what we've got going with Egypt, that if the information is correct and I have the person on that I think I'm going to have on, and he's going to say what he's going to say, I may have to stay on the boat when I get to Egypt.
unidentified		You know, Art, I have a feeling inside me, you know, some sort of vibration that Richard is really on to something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it.
unidentified		I just feel it in my soul that Richard is really, really onto something, and I just always await, you know, what's coming out of, you know, his research and his scientific study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do I. And thank you very much for the call from Chicago.
		Yeah, Richard is an intriguing individual.
		Sometimes I know he frustrates the audience because of the way he tells stories.
		And so I sort of grab him vocally by the lapels and shake him, and he spits it out.
		But he's a good friend.
		We talked earlier in the day, and what he's working on right, the implications of what he's working on right now, you guys know me.
		I'll do anything.
		But this one stretches even my, how can I put this?
		A willingness to stick my neck out.
		But I'm willing.
		I mean, what the hell?
		You only live once, right, folks?
		You only live once, and either do it your way or you probably ought not be doing it.
		So if this goes ahead as it looks like it will, you're going to hear it won't be for a couple of weeks regarding Egypt.
		There are some legal matters to clear up.
		And if it's as serious as I think it is, I probably can't get off the boat in Egypt.
		You know?
		This is from the Bay Area, and it says, retaliation to McVeigh verdict.
		Question mark.
		Officials say the attack on a utility transformer in Redwood City just might be a reaction to the Timothy McVeigh verdict.
		About 55 shots from a high-powered rifle riddled the PG ⁇ E substation today, cutting power to about 2,000 people.
		San Mateo County Sheriff's deputies found a Confederate flag and a newspaper article about the McVeigh verdict.
		Well, that's suggestive, huh?
		The flag was attached to a nearby fence and the newspaper bearing the headline, McVeigh Guilty, placed under a rock.
		McVeigh was convicted yesterday when this was written of murder and conspiracy in the 95 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.
		Killed 168.
		On our international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Is this Ark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Where are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Hold on.
		I'm going to try and clear that line up a little bit.
unidentified		It's a witch.
unidentified		Do you want to talk to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a witch?
unidentified		Well, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean, sort of, now?
unidentified		Well, I'm a psychic energy worker, and I change realities for people often.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A psychic energy worker who changes reality for people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be a loose definition of a witch.
unidentified		Yeah, it was pretty loose, but I thought, hmm, sounds like art needs help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where, pray tell, are you?
unidentified		I'm in West Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West Vancouver.
		West Vancouver.
		You're a Canadian witch.
unidentified		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		I was, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How, all right, let's explore this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you able to change reality for people?
unidentified		Well, I work with energy.
		And first I look at the energy and then just help them shift it.
		I have lots of help.
		I bring in lots of kind of angelic types.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Angelic types?
unidentified		So in other words, you are...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute now.
		Wait a minute.
		Angelic.
		That sounds like you're talking about a white witch.
		And by that, I don't mean your skin color.
		I mean your practice of the art.
unidentified		In other words, you practice the good stuff.
		Well, I don't look at it that way.
		I think it's just all the reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I know, but there's like witches who say, I work with light and energy.
unidentified		Well, I won't do anything that's not in alignment with the plan, the divine plan.
unidentified		I kind of go by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The divine plan.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I think of it or how I see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, let's say, let's just say, for the sake of argument, that you wanted a boyfriend.
		Okay?
		Could you do something and get that boyfriend?
unidentified		I've never had that problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, bear with me here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The spirit of the question, in other words.
unidentified		You could do it, but I don't know.
unidentified		You get a feel for when something is right to do and when it's not, and you just, I just do it when it feels right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
unidentified		So maybe I am a white witch in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then let me try.
unidentified		It does feel right in my full.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right, well then let me try another question.
		Let's say you, even witches, have to go to the grocery store and shop, right?
		Okay, so you go to the grocery store, and the bag boy is helping you out with the bags, and he suddenly gets caught in attitude and takes your shopping bag and throws it on the ground and says something awful to you.
		Now, could you give him a corn on his foot if you wanted to?
unidentified		I'm sure I could, but I would never do that.
		I wouldn't be very compassionate.
		I would just kind of love him and make a joke or something and just change his mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah, so it's more like that.
		It's like changing the atmosphere.
		If something's weird going on, you change the atmosphere and then everything changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, look, then, you're not exactly what I'm wanting.
unidentified		No, I don't think I'm exactly what you want, but I have to just offer my service.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate the fact that you've called, and I guess the bad boys are safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my dear, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I love you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		A witch of sorts from Canada.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Damn it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want a broom ridin', spell castin', magic wielding, uh...
unidentified		Witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I clear about this?
		No white light.
		I'm looking for one of the ones that gets buried under a house.
		You know what I'm looking for.
unidentified		You're listening to Archfell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
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		3rd, 1997.
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		Looking up for a place to go.
		Thanks for listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an ongoing presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I found the facts from Bryn Marie in San Francisco.
		Up all night with Art Bell says.
		All right, all right, she says.
		Your gracious disclaimer will protect you from the usual onslaught of paganism that follows such requests.
unidentified		But just barely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mutter, mutter, mutter.
		And in fact, here's some contact information for a genuine, she spells that G-E-N-Y-O-U, W-Y-N-E, witch, genuine, witch.
		She names the lady, and I won't hear, who's been practicing witchcraft for 40 years and is media friendly.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Brynn, I will save that, and I will see, we'll see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then I've got this.
unidentified		Art, are you truly looking for a witch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am at your service.
		Not interested in any form of notoriety or airtime.
		However, I can give you some background and maybe put to rest any form of questions you may have.
		And it is he, supplies a number.
		And I suspect he is the real thing.
unidentified		Witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then this from Alabama.
		Art, I can't believe my ears.
		Just before the end of the first hour, I thought I heard a voice say, television is so cool.
		Yes, it is.
		It couldn't have been the voice of Art Bell, who time and again has voiced his absolute detestment of television.
		You're absolutely correct, Ron, in Birmingham, Alabama.
		I did say that.
		But what I meant by that was what I'm doing right now.
		This little thing that snaps a photograph every 30 seconds while I'm doing my program, that's fine.
		But let me tell you what I'm doing.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not doing any more television, except for this kind.
		No more TV interviews, no more networks, no more serial shows, no more television of any kind, and no more newspaper interviews.
		You think I'm kidding?
		You just go, you watch.
		No more newspaper interviews, no more television.
		That's it.
		I'm done.
		Except for, you know, this is something entirely different, Ron.
		This is what I was talking about, what we're doing here on the air right now.
		This is different.
		And by the way, I wonder how many of you, I wonder if everything was running all right.
		You might send me a facts and let me know if you were able to see Ramona during one of the breaks.
		We had her come in.
		Now, this is cool.
		When I said television is cool, I know it sounded weird, but I meant this, what we're doing here, which is to me an interconnectivity with the radio program that we're doing and an adjunct to the radio program.
		And probably a lot of people don't even know what the hell I'm talking about right now.
		On my website, if you go to my website, you can click on, you'll see in the newest items, a live webcam.
		And when you click on that, you will get a high quality, or very high quality, the highest I've ever seen for this kind of a system, photograph of me doing whatever I'm doing or whatever it is that's going on in the studio during the show.
		Now, when the hours are up that we're not doing the program, whatever was the last photograph taken of me is going to be what's running the rest of the day.
		But while we're on the program live, this new system, Bless Peace Heart, that he has found that we are using, will be up and running.
		And this kind of TV I love because it is a direct connection to you guys who are listening to me.
		But as far as letting these people come in with cameras anymore, I'm not doing it.
		I'm not doing it.
		I have now sworn it off.
		Never again.
		And I don't like television.
		You're exactly right.
		I don't like television.
		And when I say that, I mean produced television, where they come in and do two hours of video and end up with three minutes of video that they run wherever for whatever and all the rest of it.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm done.
		I'm on the radio.
		That's my medium.
		Television, I watch it, but I'm not going to be on it anymore.
		Except for this kind of thing.
		But this has to do with the program.
		It's entirely different.
		But television networks and shows, no more.
		No more.
		Newspaper interviews, there I won't say forever, but for a long time, I'm not going to do them.
		I've stopped.
		There's too much going on in my life.
		If people want to know what I have to say, they can listen to my radio Program, and if somebody wants to write a nasty newspaper article about me, which I'm used to, by the way, no problem.
		I'll respond on the air.
		But I'm not going to do any more.
		So there you have it.
		Finney, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that would be me, and you need to turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wondered, why don't you hypothesize, theorize, and proselytize a little bit here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About what?
		Well, he's gone.
		I guess he didn't know what he wanted to talk about.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Arlene in Lakewood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Well, I'm doing pretty good, and I hope you will be, too.
unidentified		And if you recall, last winter you opened a package that had a curse on it or something, and you had all kinds of trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a, I'll tell you what it was.
		It was a doll that had a doll that had, yeah, that really is a very interesting story.
		It was a genuine article, a doll that had been in a fire and had a curse on it.
		And wasn't it nice of some listener to send me a doll with a curse on it?
		It really ticked me off.
		And this was an old doll, too.
		And I believed that it was real.
		And you could see the doll was singed.
		And, well, yeah, again, all right, now you've caused another reason for me to call my wife in.
		So, Hannah, if you're out there, this is the most I've had her in the studio, I think, since I've ever done the program.
		She will tell you what she did with the doll.
unidentified		And why is it that the wife always has to come in here and say, you know, talk about the things that are unpleasant or the things that are nasty?
		Reminds me of the days when I used to be a talk show host.
		Well, this is Ramona Bell, and I'm here to tell you the story of the cursed doll.
		Interesting enough, we received this package about, oh, two or three months ago, and I open it up, and here comes the letter, and this very raggedy-looking but still intact doll.
		And the letter says, Dear Art, this doll I am sending to you because I don't know what to do with it.
		It was salvaged from an attic.
		This person wanted to sell old toys, so he found all these old dolls and things in his attic, in the attic of a house that he owned.
		And among these things, he found a little ditty about this doll that said that this doll was involved in a fire.
		Anyone who was in possession of this doll was involved in a fire.
		Its owners or previous owners have had problems and complications.
		He wanted nothing to do with this, so rather than dispose of it in a manner that would be appropriate for such an item, he sends it to us.
		And the moment I started reading that this was a cursed doll, I do know, and may or may not have told you this, but I do know a little bit about magic.
		I'm a water witch, which means that I know how to dowse.
		And I have been able to find water by dowsing and proved it to Mr. Skeptical here.
		The same goes for cursed items.
		What I had done was the doll was wrapped in plastic and it was in a box.
		So I took what amounted to, I'd say 12 ounces of just plain old table salt, and I put the doll in another bag, and then I took the table salt and I sprinkled it all around, all inside of the bag with the doll, sealed it back up, and took it to its final resting area, which is now probably the city dump here.
		And that's basically how we got rid of it.
		And I will tell you right now that for anyone who wants to send another cursed item, don't bother because we have enough problems as things go.
		And in a moment, my happy hubby will be back.
		So until then, stay tuned.
		Gunshot
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now you've got the story of the doll told by the person who handled it, not me.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Steve in South Central Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Steve.
unidentified		I just got Web TV, and it's quite an amazing device.
unidentified		I went to your website, and I must say that it's one of the best I've seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty cool, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, and I especially like the picture of you with the long hair.
unidentified		I thought that was really cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen, I've been around for a while.
		I'm going to be 52 next month.
		No, this month, on the 17th of this month.
		And so, yeah, there were days when I had long hair.
		And you saw me sitting there on a stack of hay or something?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's when I had horses.
unidentified		What was the circa on that picture?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That will provoke some serious thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking 22 or three years ago.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're starting to depress me.
unidentified		Oh, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, are you able, you've got Web TV, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you able to see our live studio cam?
unidentified		Yes, I can, but unfortunately, I'm not home right now.
		I don't kides.
		I'm at work now, so.
		But also, I'm glad to hear that you don't have your cats to claw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do.
unidentified		Oh, you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just the front, not the Back.
		Trust me, they can do enough damage with those back claws.
		Well, in fact, we could demonstrate the damage done moments ago.
unidentified		Well, see, I don't, you know, I have a cat and I don't have the claw.
		I just really don't agree with it.
		I think that, you know, I think it's kind of cruel, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I say yank them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yank them out, one at a time, without anesthetic.
unidentified		Well, okay, just one more thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Are you still on AOL or you not have anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know I am on AOL, and it looks as though we have reached some sort of agreement.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I was wondering if you could give your email address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		It's artbell at AOL.com.
		That's lowercase, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at AOL.com.
unidentified		Dot A-O-L?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not .A-O-L.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's ArtBell at AOL.com.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay.
		Okay, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		This one says, hey, Art, great to hear you so clearly.
		It's been a drag listening to your show on the skip from North Carolina and Chicago and San Antonio.
		Now you're locally on WWNZ.
		How about opening a line to your fans here in Orlando?
		You may even find out the coverage area for WWNZ.
		That's true.
		Tim in Orlando.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, yeah, I could do that.
		As a matter of fact, I've got not just one new affiliate tonight, but two.
		So I could open my lines to my two new affiliates if I could find them.
		When Comet launched off my wife's chest earlier, everything in here went flying, so I will see what I can do.
		All right, here we go.
		Sure, I can do that with the, let's see, the East of the Rockies line.
		So beginning after the news, I will restrict my East of the Rockies line to people who are listening.
		Oh, no, this isn't going to work.
		Not Albany, New York.
		This is Albany, Oregon.
		All right, well, one at a time then.
		I'll restrict first to Orlando.
		They're the biggie.
		50,000 watts in Orlando, Florida.
		So I will restrict the line in about 10 minutes, or after the news, that is, to people listening to WWNZ 740 in Orlando, Florida.
		How's that?
		Sure, I'll do that.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
unidentified		This is Mike calling from Maui, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Maui.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beautiful island.
unidentified		It's home.
unidentified		I want to tell you, I enjoyed the program you had, I guess, a couple months ago about the guy who wrote the Obaki files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Excellent, excellent.
unidentified		And being a resident here for coming up on 15 years, I can tell you the few things go on around here that does raise chicken skin, I'll tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question.
		Hawaii is a very mystical place.
		My wife was born actually on Hawaii at Eva Beach in Hawaii.
		And she was just on the screen.
		If you've got a computer, you would have seen her.
unidentified		I've got a quick ghost story for you, if you'd like to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fire away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a Hawaiian ghost story?
unidentified		Hawaiian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fire away.
unidentified		A few years ago, my wife and I went to Kauai, and we stayed at a hotel which did not survive Iniki.
unidentified		There was the hurricane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And just to make it short, we're in bed sometime after 11, finished watching the band downstairs, enjoyed that, ate, went off to bed, started to slumber away.
unidentified		And pretty soon I'm getting the chicken skin and I open my eyes and there's something probably six or seven feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people don't know what chicken skin is.
unidentified		Oh, when you get that goosebumps?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the Hawaiian way of saying goosebumps, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so continue.
unidentified		Okay, so something's up, and I can, so I open my eyes and I see something six or seven feet tall standing at the end of the bed, my impression is it was something human-shaped, kind of glowing.
		Scared me so bad I couldn't move, you know, get that totally petrified, you can't move.
		Closing your eyes is the only muscle that'll work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So I closed my eyes and I closed my eyes and went to, hopefully went to sleep not too long after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, I have a very hard time buying that part.
		Closing your eyes, sure.
		It's like pulling the covers over your head.
		I understand that.
unidentified		But how could you possibly, possibly go to sleep?
		Okay, I was so terrified that I closed my eyes, and all I know is the next thing I woke up, and it was about 3 or 4 in the morning, and I had to go to the bathroom.
		Now, I don't want to freak out and say too many weird things, but my impression was it looked like what I would think an alien would look like.
		Okay, we'll leave that at that.
		I didn't tell my wife or ask her about it until the next day when we were on Oahu.
		And I said to her, Dave, you know, last night I think I saw something in our room.
		Oh, I'm getting chicken skin right now.
		And she said, I didn't want to tell you, but there was about a seven-foot-tall Hawaiian pissed off that came in through our window and stood at the end of our bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, oh, man.
unidentified		And I'm like, oh, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
unidentified		Hey, no kidding.
		Oh, no kidding.
		That morning when we went to check out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is your wife there?
unidentified		My wife is in the other room, and she's almost pure Hawaiian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is she willing to come to the telephone and substantiate your story?
unidentified		Actually, she's a very devout Mormon and won't even listen to your racial show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Really?
		There are people like that.
		I mean, there really are.
		They write to me.
		They must listen because they write to me to tell me they don't listen.
unidentified		Well, you know, she has her views.
unidentified		She thinks I'm wasting my time listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you might be.
unidentified		And no, I'm not.
unidentified		But anyway, we go to the front desk and we said, as we're checking out, you know, now wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		why would a devout Mormon say pissed off Hawaiian?
		Why would a devout Mormon say say pissed off Hawaiian?
		A devout Mormon would probably say very angry Hawaiian well perhaps that exact choice of words needless to say she said that it was not happy and was right there and he could deal with it.
unidentified		I couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't either.
unidentified		When we were checking out the next morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I walked over to the front desk at the other end and I said, you know what?
		We had a ghost in our room last night.
		And it kind of blew me away.
		And the person just looked at me and said, so, we get those all the time.
		And I'm like, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like what's the big deal?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I was like, all right, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They probably thought you were trying the old fly in the soup deal to get your money back.
unidentified		Well, the wife was paying right then, so that wasn't happening.
		So that's just kind of a little ghost story because I really enjoyed when you heard it.
		I mean, pardon me, when you said the Obaki files that one time.
		I tried to call in that night to the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that Hawaii is such a mystical place?
		I probably ought to have my wife in here answering that, too.
		But, I mean, it is a good question.
		Why do you think Hawaii particularly is such a place of mystical occurrences?
unidentified		Well, probably because it's, well, I don't know if the word ley lines, you know, or anything like that, energy lines or whatever.
		Well, a lot seems to go past here.
		Since we're in the middle of nowhere, where else is it going to go?
		We're in the middle of the ocean, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, if ghosts are generally distributed about the world and they favor land, you're the only land for a long way.
unidentified		Well, you know, I don't know how much fun a human being, ghosts, would have, you know, floating around out there in the water.
unidentified		other human contact I gave and guess maybe cruise boats they can freak out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a few dolphins to haunt, not much else.
unidentified		Oh, dolphins probably just laugh and go, heh, we already knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they probably do.
		All right.
		Well, hey, I really appreciate that.
		And how's Maui?
		It's your usual paradise self?
unidentified		Well, you know the old bumper sticker about Maui.
unidentified		And real fast, for all of those across America, this is the Birdman of Maui.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and we will be back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
		To relax just what I have planned.
		I have not been on the path of burnout.
		It's all free to be there.
		My heart is on fire.
		My soul's like a wheel that's turning.
		My love is in life.
		My love is in life.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		You're the quark bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an ongoing presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those of you who join at this hour, anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
unidentified		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
unidentified		The End You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		tonight on board presentation of coastal coast a.m.
		from june third nineteen ninety seven This may explain a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WWNZ740 Orlando is the sister station of WHNZAM 570 in Tampa.
unidentified		Aha!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		740, 570.
		Boy, they do sound similar.
		No wonder there's so much confusion.
		Okay.
		Thank you very much.
		That clears that up for me.
		They do have similar, very similar call signs.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Hi.
		Yeah, my name is Walter from Mount Rainier, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Walter.
unidentified		Yeah, I was calling to say this might sound, I don't know if you call it a witch or not, but I seriously believe I channel the Holy Spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, that's not witchcraft.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Channeling the Holy Spirit.
		First of all, the Holy Spirit, I wouldn't think, would be channeled.
		The Holy Spirit, if it wanted to be heard, wouldn't need to be channeled.
unidentified		Yeah, but that's the thing we can all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Secondly, I don't buy this channeling thing.
unidentified		Okay, well, you don't think that other people, like, is the Pope supposed to be able to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he calls it channeling.
unidentified		Well, it amounts to the same thing, though, right?
unidentified		What you hear me say is actually a product of the Holy Spirit, no matter what I say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the sense that we're all connected like that, yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, one other thing I'd like to ask about.
		If I've posed this question to the talk shows up here, if we were, say the spaceships did land here and gave us real super conveniences, free energy and this and that, well, we'd all be free.
		We'd all have free energy.
		We could grow our own food.
		But still, I've asked people, how would we divvy up the land on this planet?
		I mean, if they gave us all this and told us, you guys are foolish not to be self-sufficient, each one of you now.
		Everything's free.
		Here you go.
		This will end your crime and your famine and all this.
		I mean, we could do that right now with our government, you know, but all over the world, just it's a terrible joke.
		But I wonder, you know, what would happen when they did land here and gave us that?
		We wouldn't divide the land up anyway, would we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed a very good, good question, and I don't have the answer, but I sure would invite anybody in the audience to answer it.
unidentified		How about that?
		Okay, yeah, one other thing, Art.
		If you believe in this about the Holy Spirit deal, if you want to hear some noise or if your listeners hear any noises or their animals start acting funny, this is for everybody.
		I believe the Holy Spirit can do that.
		So see if anybody hears any noises, including you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Here's somebody.
		Art, I am both watching you and listening to you on my Macintosh from the floor of my darkened kitchen.
		I recognize the significance of what you're doing tonight and have set up my sleeping bag to watch and listen for as long as I can stay awake here in Marin County.
		really um I I have a full mailbox on AOL right now.
		Yeah, I bet I do.
		Sorry about that, folks.
		I'll try and get it cleared out.
		There are hundreds of messages in there.
		What I did was ask for a response to our CAM, and it just went absolutely, the response was much larger than I thought it was going to be.
		And so I don't know how the hell I'm going to get through it.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, I've been trying, every time I hold up a copy of my book, I'm doing it again here, everybody rushes over to get a look at it and it freezes.
		So I've been holding it up a couple of times.
		I've been getting a lot of messages saying, well, it's freezing.
		Every time you say that, everybody runs over there and it freezes.
		You know, when so many people are jumping on the server at once.
		What you can do is go to www.artbell.com, which is my website, and you'll see the live studio cam thing there, and you punch that up and you'll see a photograph of me probably doing something.
unidentified		Hopefully, nothing terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you would like to order an autographed copy of The Quickening, they're going fast.
		The second printing, I'm advised by my publisher, is going like crazy.
		And so if you want a copy, you should try and get through.
		The autographed copies are only going to be for a little while longer.
		It's kind of good in a way that I get a break between printings because that's a lot of signing.
		You know?
		That's a lot of signing.
		So if you want an autographed copy, I'm trying to provide them.
		But that day is going to end.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mike in Leesburg, Florida.
unidentified		I'm just about 30 miles north, and I heard the new station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did, huh?
unidentified		I got it on two stations now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have it there in Leesburg.
unidentified		Yes, at WQBQ 1410.
unidentified		And the new one, which I believe is, what, 1050?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WWNZ 740.
unidentified		740?
		Well, then I've got three.
		Ha ha ha ha.
		Well, that's cool.
		I don't know if anybody called this in, but this is also, this is in just outside of Orlando, but in Orange County, which is the same county that Orlando's in.
		I think we have a goat sucker over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Chupacabra.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Chupacabra.
unidentified		It was in the paper two days ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		No, not at all.
		In O'Coy, Florida, there were three horses mauled, one killed.
		Uh-huh.
		They're trying to say it was either a bear or a cougar, and they can't figure out what it was.
		Well, that's what they said that exactly, but they said that none of the things that had happened match up with either one.
		Well, it came up, one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, were there any marks on the necks of the animals?
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		That's what I was about to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's bad.
		Very bad.
		Very bad.
unidentified		About a four-inch deep wound on the neck of one from the front underneath.
unidentified		And then the other two who are expected to survive were attacked from the neck to the belly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, I say again.
unidentified		I've been very tempted to call the Game and Fish Commission and let them know about your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is one other very important question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there blood missing?
unidentified		They were pretty much drained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Drained of blood?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking Chupaca.
unidentified		Well, the two that are going to live, they apparently didn't get spooked first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's disgusting, sir, but I really appreciate the report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Be a pobo-bacawawa.
		You know how to do that?
		Some people say they have seen the Chupacabra.
		After some tequila he was dancing the Lampada.
		He doesn't know where he has to come.
		Making all the Mexicans looking like a tum tum They say that he's a monkey I think the whole story's just a little monkey You're the monkey eyes, which is every color chupacabra Pork meat, salt, like a meat and a chihuahua In Mexico City, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua Hey, chupacabra I'm a creature, which is a java chupacabra It's very pale, like a chupacabra I'm a little bit more, but I'm a little bit more Oh, chupacabra Oh, that's just fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You guys keep dumping that toxic waste, just putting it in the rivers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Or the money.
		But we do feel everything that's really funny.
		There's a buggy eye, teach you that we call the jupacara.
		Four feet tall, like a new munchahua.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not so funny if you meet up on one of these things in the middle of the night.
		Chupacabras in Florida.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Kane from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You've been looking for a witch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I am a witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of witch are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, you're the kind of witch who's going to have to turn off his radio.
unidentified		So I'll await that.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it off?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should have been able to just will it off if you were a really good witch.
unidentified		That's what my student's for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
unidentified		That's what my student's for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of witch are you?
unidentified		Well, I am an Asia True Witch.
unidentified		I practice both kinds of magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're an ACDC witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you practice white and black magic?
unidentified		Yep, I'm a gray.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A gray?
		A gray?
		You're a gray?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never talked to anybody of your particular persuasion before.
		How much onto the darks...
		How much on the dark side do you tread?
unidentified		Well, I tread where...
unidentified		Depends on what you mean by that, like how much you want to know about it or...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear...
		I asked you about the dark side.
		What have you got to say?
unidentified		Well, there's many kinds of dark side.
unidentified		There's chaos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chaos.
unidentified		There's this general blackness.
unidentified		Pure evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pure evil.
unidentified		Working with the darker deities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try this question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What could you do to a person if you wanted to?
unidentified		Well, that can go from being sick to beyond that.
		You can give them bad luck.
		You can make them do things that they don't that they will normally not do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is said that if you do this to a person, this will come back at you at, you know, threefold or whatever.
unidentified		Sometimes, depends upon the circumstances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are ways to do it without it coming back on you?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a lot of people would take issue with that, and they would say, no, it's a karmic law of nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you dispense some sort of evil something upon somebody, as an absolute law of nature, it will come back to you.
unidentified		Yes, but what happens if that person does something to you first?
		Like say someone breaks into your home, kills a family member.
		then you retaliate.
		The universe might just turn the back on it and say, it happened, yeah, but...
		Yep.
		Eye for an eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eye for an eye.
		That's an interesting view.
		I never have heard it expressed that way with regard to witchcraft.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been doing this?
unidentified		Oh, for about five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it scare you?
unidentified		Not really, not anymore.
unidentified		At first it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you control it, or has it ever controlled you?
unidentified		Actually, it never controls you.
unidentified		You never master it either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, doesn't that leave you in, excuse, the pond, sort of a gray area?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		But we also work with the land and fairies and the elementals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elementals?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is an elemental?
unidentified		Like the salamanders of the south are fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Wind to the east, water to the west, and mountains of the north.
unidentified		Of course, down in Las Vegas, wouldn't it be mountains all around?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are mountains all about, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would that mean?
unidentified		Nothing.
		It's just...
		You get...
		It's just...
		That's a few times I've been down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what does that mean, that Las Vegas would be an easier...
unidentified		It's just kind of a town where it just gives you the shivers at times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does that.
		All right, thank you very much for the call.
		A male witch.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The elementals, huh?
		And even a witch is given the shivers by Las Vegas, eh?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, this is Samantha, Lucina, KKOB from New Mexico, but I'm in Hayden, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your name is Samantha?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a witch?
unidentified		No.
		With a name like that, you ought to be darned.
		No, I'm calling in because of Chupacagra mentioning over there in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that sounded actually fairly serious, didn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		My husband, last, or in May, the 1st of May, was accidentally just flipping the channels on our Prime Star to the channel Evicion, you know, the Mexican channel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		And there was a little story about that the University of Mexico caught one and that they're studying it and they've had it for the last six months.
unidentified		And I was wondering if anyone else has heard about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The University of New Mexico.
unidentified		Of New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not New Mexico, but Mexico.
unidentified		Yeah, Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And he heard it, and he called me, and of course I don't understand Spanish.
unidentified		You know, and he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now wait a minute now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear a little bit of an accent there, a Spanish accent.
unidentified		Well, I've lived in this town forever.
unidentified		It's highly Mexican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you picked up an accent without picking up Spanish.
unidentified		Well, I know the bad words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know the bad words?
		Oh, Samantha.
		Do you know any good words?
		No, don't say them because I don't know any words, and I wouldn't know the difference, and it could be that you would say a bad word, and I wouldn't know it.
		But actually, you do have an accent.
		That's very interesting, and it's just from being so close to so many, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I grew up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me hear you say Chibacabra.
unidentified		Chupacabra.
unidentified		Oh, you've got it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The people of Mexico, we can sit up here and chuckle about it, but they don't laugh down there.
unidentified		No, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a very, very serious.
		The American people have no idea how serious a topic this is in Mexico.
		And that's because there's been really a lot going on.
		We've only had a small taste of it here compared to what they've had.
		And so if the University of Mexico has one, how do I find out about it?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's like, I'm sure I couldn't call them up and ask them, could I?
unidentified		It was a news item, and the point of the news item was tainted in the fact of letting people calm down and the fact that they did have some, they did have a specimen that supposedly came actually from the States, that it was an illegal that caught it.
		And they had it literally on the truck shipped back with them.
		And they took it over to the University of Mexico.
		And it's sort of like, calm down.
		We have one.
		We're studying it now.
		And that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Calm down?
unidentified		Yeah, that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's not going to calm down people at all.
unidentified		I know.
		It made us upset.
		Now they have it, and they're not showing us the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that verifies its existence.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how do you feel when you're walking down a dark street at night?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not as good as you did before that story.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
		And we're like about 80, 90 miles from the border.
		And even over here, everybody talks, you know, about it.
		We've actually had a sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, my cousin, actually.
		And he didn't know what it was.
		And he described it to me.
		And I was like, you might have seen one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did he describe it?
unidentified		Well, at first he goes, did you see that?
		And we were going by in the car, and it was about 3 a.m.
		And I said, what are you talking about?
		He goes, it looked like a huge rabbit.
		And I go, like, how huge?
		He goes, like, four feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like the one Jimmy Carter encountered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
unidentified		And I go, what else did it look like?
		He said, it had like cat eyes.
		And that's what scared me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were the eyes, were the eyes red?
unidentified		That's what they reflected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were red?
unidentified		Yes.
		And that's what scared me.
		And I was like, oh, my gosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Red is bad.
unidentified		I know.
		That scared me.
		And then, of course, later, that was in April.
		And then my husband saw that article.
		I mean, that show.
		It was a news clip on Univision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		That was scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I appreciate your call, and I will try what sources I have to see if we can determine if the University of Mexico really is holding a chupa.
unidentified		Yeah, wouldn't that be great?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it would be or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, anyway, Samantha, I like your name.
unidentified		Oh, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One last thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you wiggle your nose?
unidentified		Yeah, I can.
		Can I ask you where I could pick you up easier?
		In Arizona?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you listen to, what, KOB and Albuquerque, right?
unidentified		Yeah, and it's not very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All you can do is, like, go up and down the dial.
		You'll find us in various locations and, you know, sort of mark those places.
		And if you have a radio with push buttons on it or memories, you know, kind of skip back and forth.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my best advice.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		All right, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you and take care.
		And as I said earlier, why, you know, call a local talk station that you have.
		And that's usually, it's the intelligent way to proceed.
		If you want to get the show on in your area, don't call a country station.
		Don't call a Muzak station.
		They're not going to do it.
		Call a talk station.
		And you can always call our network for some assistance in trying to get on in your area.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
		Let's sweet try.
		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got better days inside.
		She's turned them music on.
		You won't have to think twice.
		She's pure as New York snow.
		She's got better days inside.
		It's easy to unheed you.
		How the best has just to leave you.
		Oh, yeah.
		And she knows that what it takes to make a program.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I guess I better say because they're beginning to, uh, a coming, uh, We're roaring through it, so if you guys want an autographed copy of my book, you better get on it.
		It is The Quickening.
		And by the way, it is absolutely real.
		There has never been a more relevant book, in my opinion, written about what's going on around us and to us, where it's going, than this.
		It's actually entitled The Quickening, Today's Trends, Tomorrow's World.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art Bell, this is John in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		I heard about HAARP a few while back changing the weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Are they still playing that thing, making all this bad weather happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, first of all, nobody knows for sure if it's causing the bad weather.
		There are people who believe that the HAARP project in Alaska, which is still going on, yes, is affecting the weather.
		I don't know if I believe that or not.
		I don't know if they've reached power levels that could begin affecting the weather.
		I just don't know.
		But in answer to your question, yes, the HAARP project is continuing.
		And if you put that together with some of the images shown by CNN yesterday with regard to the El Niño forming out in the Pacific, it's pretty freaky.
unidentified		Geez, I think if they don't know what they're doing quite right, or they're targeting things on purpose to make more work for us, or what they're doing up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I'm going to be honest with you.
		I don't know that HAARP is having any effect on the weather at all.
		I can't say that I know that.
		What I can say that I think I know, and I do, is that our weather is in the process of a severe change that is part of the quickening.
		I don't really want to get in a terribly serious mood this morning, and this will do it for me.
		But I've said this on numerous occasions lately.
		One does not need to be a candidate for employment at NASA to know that our weather is changing.
		And I've been saying that for some time, and now finally everybody seems to be saying it.
		Suddenly, NASA's remarking about it.
		The National Weather Service is remarking about it.
		Standalo in Australia, well, you know what he's had to say about it.
		And on and on and on, a lot of mainstream media sources are now talking about the new hurricane season coming, going to be more vicious than ever.
		Vice President Gore began talking about more extreme weather.
		Be prepared for more extreme weather.
		You heard that, didn't you, from Vice President Gore?
		Well, Vice President Gore in some ways is not my favorite guy, but in other ways, he's kind of a techno-dweeb, and I have some level of appreciation for his technical expertise, and he does have quite a bit.
		You know, he really does.
		And he's right about that.
		I mean, so the weather is changing and quickening.
		Make no mistake, what I have written in this book is a process that is not predicted.
		It's not prophecy.
		It's something that I document, and it's going on right now.
		We're living in it right now.
		This is not something coming.
		Yes, it will continue to, at an exponential rate, I believe, increase.
		but make no mistake about it the process has already begun well Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
unidentified		Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smart idea?
unidentified		I would love to see that happen.
		A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
		Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
		What better targets than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
		Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to the lines, east of the Rockies.
		You are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art Bell, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		How are you?
unidentified		I'm doing fantastic now that I'm talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma City.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My name is Janine, and you said you were looking for witches?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have I found a witch?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An Oklahoma witch?
unidentified		There are plenty of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there are.
		Actually, that begins to be a good question all by itself.
		How many witches are there really?
		I mean, not just in Oklahoma, but across the whole country.
unidentified		There's really no way of knowing.
		There's so many different kinds of practices.
		It's kind of like asking a person if they're a Judeo-Christian.
		Like the guy that called earlier, I would say that there are hundreds of thousands, to be honest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I really would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		he talked about a gray area that he lives in practicing some white and some black forms of witchcraft uh...
unidentified		yeah i'm i'm what you would call a pittish which uh...
unidentified		which means that um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got a terrible phone connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not.
unidentified		Come on, let me turn something off.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
unidentified		Okay.
		Anything to make it a little bit better for you, Art?
		I've been listening to you for three years and loved every minute of it.
		This is a great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		It's a different show.
		So anyway, explain if you can.
		Are you on a portable phone?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that explains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a real phone?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have a real phone?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far away from the base are you?
unidentified		I'm right next to it now.
unidentified		Is that any better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's still, I mean, it's sure.
		We can hear you, but it's just that it sounds like you've got a lot of interesting stuff to say, and I would like it to be very clear.
		Anyway, let's get into it.
		What do you do?
unidentified		Okay, Pictish, which means I practice some magic, but also there's a nature worship involved, which means I have observances of the moon, the four festivals, things like that.
		And also I'm a kitchen witch because I'm married and I have a child.
		And basically I also practice solitary, which means that I don't belong to a cousin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kitchen witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's just sort of an expression that means you're married and you have a child?
unidentified		Oh, no.
		It works well if you're married and have a child.
		Basically, I use herbs and things like that to keep my family healthy.
		And I have my own herb garden.
		And that really works out quite well because I'm able to use the rhythms of nature, things like that to my advantage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my wife does a lot of that, herbs and so forth and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm not sure that qualifies one as a witch.
unidentified		No, it doesn't, but you can use a lot of the knowledge that you find as a witch when you study and make your black book for your everyday life.
		I mean, it's like any other religion.
		You can incorporate it into your daily life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, I'm not altogether sure I should qualify.
		I really mean this, too.
		I'm not altogether sure my wife is not a witch.
		I'm serious.
unidentified		It's very natural for women to lean to witchcraft because you have to be attuned with your body as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure her mother's having kittens because, you know, really she's supposed to be a Catholic.
unidentified		Well, I was a Catholic, so.
		You were a Catholic, huh?
		It works really well, especially with the Virgin Mary.
		It's not that much of a leap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, let's see what other kind of trouble we can get in this morning.
		Oh, man.
		It works well with the Virgin Mary witchcraft and the Virgin Mary.
unidentified		Well, you know, you've heard of Santeria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I certainly have.
		That's a form.
		Isn't Santeria almost a form?
		It's not quite voodoo, but it has some relationship, doesn't it?
		Santeria?
		I mean, there's sacrifice and that sort of thing.
unidentified		Voodoo calls the darker side in.
unidentified		Santeria focuses on the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the lighter side?
unidentified		Yes, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there are sacrifices.
unidentified		Aren't there?
		Yes, there are.
		There are sacrifices, but they never call the spirits to do harm, from what I've studied in Santeria.
		Most witches that I know also, I don't know if there's anything as a white witch or a black witch.
		I've heard that a lot, but most witches that I've met do not practice anything dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, those who call themselves Wiccans, would you classify yourself as separate from a Wiccan?
unidentified		No, no.
		Wiccan, again, is kind of a generic term.
		You can call yourself Wiccan.
		There's a sect that is Wiccan that's specialized.
		But I could call myself Wiccan.
		To call myself a Pictish is to say kind of like, well, I'm Presbyterian.
		There's so many different forms that you can practice in Wiccan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there LDS witches?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might as well cover the whole spectrum here.
unidentified		Oh, I was calling because what the man said really piqued my interest when he was talking about justice in that sense.
unidentified		When I first heard him say that he practiced light and dark, I was like, uh-oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But it really piqued my interest because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, if what you're doing is pursuing justice, that karmically that might not be true.
unidentified		Well, that's the thing.
unidentified		In my belief, people are not separated from nature, that we are part of nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
unidentified		Right, so people can be instruments of justice.
		I was just, oh, I wish I could talk to him right now.
		I was trying to get through to see if I could talk to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to contact me if you would buy fax and put a phone number on there or email and put a phone number on there or something.
		And I will see what I can do.
		And in the meantime, do us all a favor and go out and buy a phone.
		Well, because I would like to interview you more extensively, but that phone you've got, it should be put in a trash compactor.
unidentified		When you have a small child, you need to have a cordless just to run around and catch them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		What you then need is you can go out to a swap meet and get just a good old-fashioned regular old telephone.
		Remember one of the old ones with the push buttons?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That probably says property of the bell system underneath or something?
		And get one of those.
		You can plug it in and use it for when you're calling a radio show.
unidentified		All right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, dear.
		I would like to...
		Actually, I've got one of those here.
		And you know where I bought it?
		I bought it at a Slot Meet.
		You know what it says on the back of it?
unidentified		Let me see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, yep, it says Bell System Property, not for sale.
		And they are some of the best phones in the whole world.
		Just the old-fashioned...
unidentified		Um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a touch tone phone.
		But the good old heavy phones.
		You know, the kind of phone where if you're unhappy with somebody, you can crack them over the head and they're gone.
		When they're hit with a bell system phone, one of the old ones, they're gone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, geez, it's been three years since I talked to you last.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three years?
unidentified		Yeah, and you might remember we were talking about putting Newt Gingrich on Mount Rushmore.
unidentified		You remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did that get a lot of people angry?
		I said, yeah, let's put Newt on Mount Rushmore.
		Chisel his face right in there.
		Maybe even take one of the other ones off if there's not enough space.
unidentified		Maybe you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember that.
unidentified		Cool.
		Well, I was in Reno then.
		I'm in Oroville now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oroville?
unidentified		Oroville.
unidentified		By Kiko.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know where that is.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Hey, you used to have color participation games, you know, like Truth or Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I'll do that again one day.
unidentified		What was that one?
unidentified		Now, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we will play the official game one of these nights.
unidentified		Didn't you used to have like a fast forward or like a Fast Blast.
		Fast Blast.
		Yeah, you haven't had that in a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to do it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And another thing.
		You know when you got these line open for the witches?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wouldn't it be cool if Stevie Nicks called you some night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beyond cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did say Stevie Nix, right?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's one of my top ten.
unidentified		Isn't she?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe top five, actually.
unidentified		I saw her in concert about, oh, let's see.
unidentified		Four years ago, and she's changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, she's not quite what she used to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey, are any of us?
unidentified		But I mean, she really changed.
		She's took on a whole different aura better and a whole different style.
		Really?
		Yeah, kind of a real rough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know when I liked her best?
unidentified		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		let's see there was actually a video done and the music uh...
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember Stevie doing this?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		That was.
		They were in the desert, weren't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was my Stevie Nicks.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Hey, you used to play a lot of Toto Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, that's right.
unidentified		On your bum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right?
unidentified		I haven't heard that in a long time.
unidentified		Do you still have it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, well, yeah, sure, I have everything.
		Let me see.
		Do I have that particular one?
unidentified		I used to play it all this once in a while, but I haven't heard it in a long time.
unidentified		That is my most favorite band.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
unidentified		Yeah, they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm thinking of doing?
		I'm sure glad you reminded me, because you know what?
		I want not just the little piece of Toto that I have, but I want the whole thing.
		I'm going to start playing the whole thing.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that would be nice.
unidentified		I was going to ask you that, too, if you could play a little bit longer of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely can, and I absolutely will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		Yeah, great.
unidentified		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one more thing?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three years, that's too long.
		Because I don't know that today I would have Newt chiseled in there.
		In fact, let's see.
		Who would we put on there?
		Who's worthy of being put on there today?
unidentified		Today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Today, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Newt stock is down, you know.
unidentified		Well, not with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nationally it is, though.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's down in the 20s.
unidentified		I think it was.
unidentified		Think about that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So who would we put on Rushmore today if we had the opportunity?
unidentified		Mitch Richmond of Sacramento Kings.
unidentified		If I had my choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
unidentified		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		My name is Jaden, and I am a student of Kane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A student of Kane?
unidentified		A guy who called earlier?
unidentified		Of which?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm his student.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how much of a student are you?
unidentified		A full student.
unidentified		what exactly do you mean by how much of a student?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, is that like, you know, Howard Stern's interns?
		No, don't forget that.
		I'm sorry.
		In other words, somebody who is just learning or somebody who is fully capable of exercising the powers?
unidentified		Well, I do consider myself capable, but I've really just begun to learn the knowledge part of it, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, what can you do?
		Give me an example.
unidentified		Well, I'm learning the runes, ancient Norse, but my primary religion is Greek.
		So I'm starting to learn the runes.
		I've done a little bit with weather magic.
		Oh, so it's you?
		Me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're screwing with our weather, huh?
unidentified		Oh, no, no, that's not me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what exactly do you mean by weather magic?
unidentified		Well, as far as my religious, my religion of ancient Greek, my patron is Zeus.
		And he's the storm god or air god.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were some pretty nasty storms down in Texas here recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that you?
unidentified		No, I can't claim credit for that.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was pretty awful.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know, I mean, if I concentrate properly, I can get the winds to blow.
		I'm not really very strong yet.
		Like I said, I'm just beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any possibility that the weather deterioration that we're all experiencing right now is the product of some studied master witch?
unidentified		It's possible, but I'm really not sure.
unidentified		I mean, where exactly are you located right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as Rush says, that makes no difference as long as I'm here, right?
		Ah, yeah.
		Now that I've heard what you have to say, I don't think I want to tell you because probably tomorrow there'd be a tornado or something.
unidentified		Oh, no, I don't think I'd do that.
unidentified		I'm not that bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you'd make the weather hot.
unidentified		Actually, I try not to mess with the weather too much.
unidentified		I really haven't done that much weather magic lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The National Weather Service will be glad to hear that.
unidentified		Yes, I'm sure they will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never, you know, it's the one thing I never thought about with regard to the weather was witches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be a son of a gun.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I appreciate your calling in and telling us this.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leave the weather alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of the country are you in?
unidentified		I'm in the same as Cain, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Minnesota?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's the weather been in Minnesota?
unidentified		Either cold, wet, high, humid.
unidentified		Well, leave those people alone, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's break it right here.
		That's Toto.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
		Quiet Conversation She's coming in 1235.
		The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me towards salvation.
		I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient bells.
		He turned to me as if to say, Hurry boy, it's waiting there for you.
		Gonna take the last to take me away from you.
		This doesn't let us wonder when or more can ever do.
		I just rain down in Lexico.
		Cause it takes time to do those things you never say fascination.
		Or Again.
		The wild dogs cry out in the night as they grow restless, longing for some solitary company.
		I know that I must do what's right, Asher as Killim and Jarrow rises like a vessel above the seventy eight.
		I seek to cure my sleeping signs, frightened of this thing that I've become.
		Gonna take the lights and take me away from you.
		This doesn't matter how many of you.
		Here, Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired June 3rd, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that's Toto.
unidentified		We're going to take the time to do the thing we ever did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's Real Music.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
		Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell Well, okay, this is kind of interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, the TV image of you on my computer is fantastic.
		I see this as a great step in the future of your show.
		How about when the technology gets better, callers from their computers can be seen in a portion of the screen?
		Oh, God, you know, that could be done.
		It's the ultimate show for you.
		You can control everything.
		Then we set our VCRs to record the whole TV show like we do for radio.
		Can you move around more?
		Each image looks the same.
		My wife asks if you can take a little more clothes off with each picture.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Jerry and Burbank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Jerry.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		P.S. went to the LA screening of Paul Davids, Timothy Leary's Dead Tonight at Universal.
		It was great.
		It was packed, and there was only one hippie in the crowd.
		That was sad.
		I believe after meeting Paul that the severed head was faked.
		I also think he is responsible for the Roswell Autopsy video.
		Ooh.
		All I can say is my wife works with his wife, and I've heard things.
		Yeah?
		Well, after what your wife asked for, Jerry, I don't know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hi, come on.
		Yes, good morning.
unidentified		I ordered that web TV last Wednesday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It seems to me fantastic.
unidentified		It's exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Product I'm really excited about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you got it yet?
unidentified		I called them yesterday, and they promised me they'd ship it today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Which is a week from last Wednesday.
unidentified		And, you know, they did the second, they offered that second day, so it's a little, you know, a little frustrating, but I'm really excited to get the product.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I want you to do is call me when you get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got the product, so I can tell you right now, you are going to fall in love.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been hearing you talk about it.
unidentified		So I'm really excited to get it.
unidentified		So thanks for offering it to us out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, thank you very much.
		Sure.
		Look, I'm telling you, not everybody in the world is a computer whiz.
		I mean, that's all there is to it.
		Not everybody is a computer whiz.
		And is ever going to be until computers, until the very nature of computers change.
		Now, I have worked hard, and I really mean I've worked hard for a couple of years learning the IBM system, first with Windows 3.1 and now with stinking Windows 95 and DOS and learned what I can about programming and you know I'm new and I still struggle and have a love-hate relationship with my computers.
		So I do understand that not everybody out there wants to venture into this.
		I mean it's a fairly serious thing to begin to get into and yet the World Wide Web is extremely enticing and I can understand you would want to be on the World Wide Web.
		You should be.
		Web TV gives that opportunity.
		Boom, and you're on.
		That's it.
		You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get on.
		You press one button and away you go.
		So I mean there's a tiny learning curve.
		You have to learn to enter a website that you want to go to, and then you can put it in your favorites list, and then all you have to do is click on that and boy, away you go.
		But Web TV has a definite big place in the marketplace of technology.
		I recognize that.
		Even though I like my computers, I firmly recognize that WebTV has a place.
		Because I don't blame you.
		A lot of people are intimidated by computers, and this will get you on the web, just like that.
		East of the Rockies, in good style, too.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
unidentified		It's Fallen Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I just wanted to say great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I never got to compliment you on the Sarah McClendon interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, that was really good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should have her back on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She is such a neat person.
unidentified		Yeah, and see, I was just hoping to get through.
		I always missed the last hour here and everything.
		So just tried to get through and wanted to say hello.
		And nothing like looking for a witch to divert the mind and have a pleasant evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fact.
		Everybody needs a little bit of that.
		I'm definitely one of those.
		Thank you.
		He's right.
		Every now and then, I just will take off and do something utterly different, as you can tell.
		I probably always will do that.
		Aloha art.
		Great clarity and really good refresh rates on your studio cam.
		Would you mind holding up color bars so I can adjust my monitor?
		I don't have any color bars handy.
		I used to have some color bars.
		I don't have them right now.
		Let's see.
		I don't have anything that would really serve as color bars.
		You can go by my t-shirt.
		You see that t-shirt there?
		You see where it says Helsinki, Finland, and see the red in the middle?
		That color is red.
		If you're seeing red and then kind of orange on the very edge of it, then I would say you're okay.
		Those are not exactly color bars, but that's the best I can do.
		Used to the Rockies?
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Florida are you?
unidentified		I am in Fort Myers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fort Myers?
unidentified		Yes, I'm in my big truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your big truck in Fort Myers?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm an owner operator, and I listen to your show all the time.
unidentified		I pick you up on several stages down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you able to hear us on WWNZ?
unidentified		It's not real good, but 570 out of Tampa and 1110 is coming in wall to wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it depends on where you are, huh?
unidentified		Exactly, Art.
unidentified		Art, one thing I want to bring up quick to you about the weather changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		On these high-cube trailers, we pull them when they're empty.
		Boy, tell people not to get around this.
		These winds are kicking up these thunderstorms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And boy, it blows them things all over the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very dangerous, I know.
unidentified		It's very dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's a lot more dangerous when you're running empty.
unidentified		A lot more.
		And that's especially when you're empty.
		When you're full, it's not so bad.
		But when they're empty, them things are a handful when the wind, especially when you're close to the coast, you come to their bridges and the openings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Love the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
		I bet he's right.
		Did anybody happen to see the clip on CNN last night of the police chase?
		My God, that speeds of up to 150 miles an hour.
		And this guy was in a black car of some kind, and he passed one of the trucks like that guy you just heard was driving.
		And then there was another one up ahead, and something put this guy into a skid, and he went sideways and plowed into the back of this other semi, probably doing 100 miles an hour.
		And the car was totally demolished.
		But incredibly, incredibly, this guy was thrown out of the car and came away with a few scratches and bruises.
		You could actually see his body thrown from the car.
		It was the most amazing piece of video.
		I bet a lot of you got to see it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		This is Tim in Orlando.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tim in Orlando.
unidentified		Yeah, since you're the facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Thank you very much.
		I appreciate that.
		So you're hearing us loud and clear, I take it.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		It sounds great.
		It's a lot better than listening to the skip like everybody's been saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feature that the people of Orlando will accept the weirdness that we do at night?
unidentified		Well, we accept Mickey Mouse pretty good.
unidentified		I guess we could take you for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's strange that you should mention Mickey Mouse in this program in the same breath.
unidentified		Yeah, we like the rodent down here pretty well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are actually on a lot of Mickey's stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, as you must know, Disney has purchased a whole bunch of radio, and we're on a lot of them.
unidentified		That's right.
		ABC, isn't it?
		Yep.
		Hey, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ABC, you've got it.
unidentified		Listen, I've got something to ask you about, and that is that the guy mentioned about O'Coy, Florida, and the Chupacab earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Another odd thing about O'Coy, Florida, is that there's a guy over there that has a copy of a picture that's on your webpage that's supposedly from Roswell of a UFO and a chopper chasing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got that photograph up on the website now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is an absolutely astounding photograph.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But this guy says, and I've seen the original picture, he's got it over at his shop, the original picture, and it's from Egland, Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If anybody can get me, if he can have a copy made and send it to me, I would love the scan and get it up on the web.
unidentified		Okay, well, it's exactly the same thing as what you have on the web.
unidentified		I mean, it's exactly the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it as it is?
		Yes, but the implication was it was a...
		Is it as clear or is it even better?
unidentified		I mean, it looks exactly the same, except that his is a photo.
unidentified		You know, a printed photo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's a generation or so earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If so, I'd love to have a copy.
unidentified		Okay, well, it looks exactly like the one on your website, except that the pine trees don't look like Roswell pine trees.
unidentified		They're from Eglund, Air Force Base, up in the panhandle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would really like to see that.
unidentified		Okay, we'll see what I can do about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, thanks.
unidentified		Good talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Ooh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like a similar shot, but if the foliage is different, then obviously taken at a different place.
		Wow.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, I art.
unidentified		I just wanted to talk about anything, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything?
unidentified		Anything, yeah.
		No, actually, I wanted to talk to you about whether you received my song parody.
		Since you're on Christmas, walking in a paranormal land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that I do have it, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right, well, you can have it.
		It's yours.
		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't...
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there's sort of a whole bunch of things for me to listen to.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
		I sort of remember that.
		I'll have to dig it out and take a listen.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, it's not a tape.
		It's actually just a paper that I gave you with the lyrics on it.
		Oh.
		And it's the Johnny Mathis version.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Johnny Mathis?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Walking in Winter Winterland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, to the tune of.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew I remembered it from somewhere.
unidentified		Right, and that's www.com, walkinginerwinterland.com, actually.
		Okay.
		Anyways, yeah, so I'm glad you got it.
		And, you know, if you want to set it to music, you know, it's yours.
		You know, just take it.
		You can have the copyright and everything to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would have to come up with somebody worthy of singing it because that wouldn't be me, I assure you.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to hear me sing.
unidentified		Oh.
		I'm a pretty good singer myself, actually.
		I was talking about sending you a table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Well, then do a couple verses for me.
		Let me hear it.
unidentified		Well, let me hear.
		Oh, God.
		I'm on my computer here.
		Let me shut down for a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why would your computer stop you?
unidentified		Well, I can't remember the exact lines here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wrote it!
unidentified		I know, but I've written so many that it's kind of hard.
		Okay, let me see how does it start.
		Cattle dead for no reason.
		Zombies bed is a freezing.
		The curses obey, make art bells day.
		Walking in a paranormal land.
		And it goes into In the meadow, there's a chipacabra hanging from an elephant's neck.
		He came straight up from the depths of hell with the potato in his hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what you need?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you need is a karaoke machine.
		That's right, yeah.
		And then you need to whip together a version when you're at your best and send it off to me, and maybe I'll play it on the radio.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		I'll send it off to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or I'll burn it.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		Okay, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll see you later.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		I wanted to talk to you about witchcraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I'm an authority on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does one get to be an authority in this area, by the way?
unidentified		Well, it's heritage.
		I have been trained since I was four years old.
		But the person that you had on, the gentleman that was talking about being in the gray area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I could tell that he was a novice because in Wicca, there is no black or white magic.
		Magic is a double-edged sword.
		And it swings both ways.
		In other words, that person who is the wielder of power is the person who will decide whether it is black or white.
		When you have knowledge, you have the capability of doing either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like the real thing.
unidentified		I am the real thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
unidentified		I'm in my 40s.
unidentified		I have lectured all over the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
unidentified		I have founded the International Psychic Center in 1972.
		In fact, I'm a friend of Renee Barnett.
		I was on Strange Universe a week before you were, and it was about the Sheryl Crowe story, The Curse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I missed that one.
		Darn it.
		But you know Rene?
unidentified		Yes, I do very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there, you know, I've been requesting this for a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I say I want to find a broom riding, magic dispensing, potion using which.
unidentified		Well, I blend my own oils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You blend your own oils.
unidentified		That is correct.
		I'm into herbs.
		I do have an altar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An altar.
unidentified		I do do magic, natural magic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, this is a serious question, again referring to the young man who was talking about the gray area.
unidentified		There is no gray.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is, though, a black, isn't there?
unidentified		Yes, sir, there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ventured into those areas?
unidentified		Yes, I am a warrior for the occult.
unidentified		In other words, people who have had a curse placed upon them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I don't care what the sect may be, Kate, Dianic, Saxon, Gardnerian, Santeria, Haitian, South American, Jamaican voodoo.
unidentified		I do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to give it?
unidentified		I'd be more than happy to.
		Dr. Evelyn Paguini.
		I have a Ph.D. in parapsychology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Then I guess my next question to you, and I'm going to start to get pretty serious here, is are you convinced?
		Are you sure that this is a real power?
unidentified		It most certainly is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the source of the power?
		Do you think?
		Do you think?
unidentified		The source of power is always God, sir.
		Even in the well, you can call up nature and the elements.
		You can call up an entity.
		You can deal with a hierarchy of evil.
		There is evocation and summation.
		There are those people who decide to weave the power in the dark side.
		They do gain power, and they can be very treacherous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it true or not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's said that if you do an evil thing to somebody, that it will come back to you.
unidentified		Tenfold, normally, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Normally, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there exceptions?
unidentified		There can be.
unidentified		Very few, but there can be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a kind of a cosmic justice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you are doing something in the dark side, which will harm somebody, and you are doing it to achieve justice or some kind of balance, is that what you're referring to when you say there can be an exception?
unidentified		There can be an exception.
		It is rare.
		It is very rare.
		It's a case-by-case.
		And the ultimate decision would be God's if you were justified or not.
		So if you did not pay it karmically in this time, you can bet you will in the next.
		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there many people that have come to you that have had curses placed on them?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I want to discuss the nature of a curse a little bit.
		There are those who say that you can only be cursed if you believe that a curse will work.
		In other words, if I say this is all balderdash and you're full of it, and there's no way anybody can put a curse on me, and I firmly believe that, then I cannot be cursed.
		Is that true, or is a curse a real thing that can occur to you whether or not you believe in it?
unidentified		If the practitioner is that good, you can be a thousand miles away or 10,000 miles away.
		You can believe it or not believe it, and it will reach you.
		It depends on their power and how they can concentrate it as a laser beam and send it to you.
		A curse is usually acquired because somebody is either seeking revenge or is envious of you and wishes you ill will.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a break coming up here at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would like to hold you over, and I would be willing to call you back on my nickel if you want to give me your number during the break.
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Done deal.
		Stay right where you are.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And from the high desert, this is the magical CBC Radio Network.
unidentified		This should be very, very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you listening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell?
unidentified		She's the real thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I have some questions.
unidentified		How about you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is more.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 3, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June
		3, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June 3, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June 3, 1997.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Post to Post AM from June 3rd, 1997.
		Oh, I tell you, I like the Pointer Sisters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I probably don't have to tell you that, huh?
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		Now we take you back to the night of June 3, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now we go back to Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope I did that right, Evelyn.
unidentified		Yes, you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are a self-described...
unidentified		No, I am not.
		I'm an authority on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
		I'm a practicing metaphysician.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I am going to broach a kind of a sensitive area for me, and I may have to blank out your answer.
		I really don't know.
		But there is something that's been very seriously going on in my life.
		If you've been listening to the program for any period of time, you probably know I've made mention of it.
		Is there any way yes, I can help.
unidentified		I'll give you an explanation.
		The salt that was used by your wife on the doll is what they call the first layer of defense.
		Second layer of defense would be sea salt.
		Third layer of defense would be sulfur.
		Third layer of defense would be black salt.
		In other words, when you want to put a shield of protection around you, depending on the individual who is sending you a negativity, you better make sure you pull out the big guns.
		You can also use herbs, and you can also use blended essential oils that are blended specifically for the purpose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Suppose I wanted to shield the protection and set up a mirror and send it back to whoever sent it to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose I wanted to do something negative to somebody who has done something negative to me.
		And in my own mind, achieve justice.
		And in fact, achieve justice.
unidentified		It can be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can be done?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Very simply.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you...
unidentified		People have called me that.
		They've called me a magician, a seer, a sorceress.
		I call myself a warrior in the occult.
		I do not like an innocent person that is touched by a practitioner of the dark side.
		I have been raised in the occult in order to protect those who are innocently touched.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then let me try this.
		There are deeds that people do to each other, and I guess you could suggest any evil deed comes from the dark side.
		But there are in the real world, not the occult world, bad things that people do to each other.
		If somebody does something bad to you in the real world, without it necessarily being connected to the occult, maybe everything is, for all I know, what the hell do I know?
		But in other words, if they do a bad thing to you, can you respond to them from the dark side to achieve what would be perceived as karmic justice?
unidentified		Yes, you can by setting up a mirror.
		It's called a boomerang.
		In other words, the person has to be worried, that is the sender, has to be worried that you have not acquired an individual like myself who will teach you, one, how to put up a shield of protection, and two, how to set up a mirror, meaning anything that has been sent will be delivered right back.
		There is never an innocent party that has ever touched that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The incident, the thing that I'm referring to is not specifically the case that you heard about this morning with the doll.
		However, since you brought that up, it's far, far, far more serious than that.
		But since you brought that up, my wife did know then what she was doing when she did that.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		First layer of defense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I looked at her and I went, huh?
unidentified		No, that is the first layer of defense.
		Fortunately, if an individual that designed the DAO was not a very heavily practitioner, then that would have taken care of it.
		If this person was of great power, then that first layer of defense would have been dissolved immediately, and the curse would not have been taken off of that DAO.
		You need more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's a funny thing, but really, having said that it didn't connect to that doll, I honestly have no way of knowing what this thing that has occurred, what it relates to, I have no way of knowing.
		Fascinating.
		What I would like to do is take a few calls.
		I have asked you the serious questions that I want to ask, and there's not a lot of program left, but I sure would like to see what the audience would have to say.
		Sure.
		Let's just try it and see what we get out there.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and we got off the air at the half an hour there.
		Oh.
		But from what I heard, Dr. Evelyn seems to be practicing the old eon type of magic that is becoming outdated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		That's an interesting question, Doctor.
		Is it outdated?
		Is that a fair comment?
unidentified		Well, for those individuals who are dealing with metaphysical practitioners, depending on the sect they belong to, it is my outdated training that is able to perform what I am able to perform.
unidentified		And it is the innocent party who is the recipient who is usually looking for someone like me because I take on all comers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, sir, outdated, I'm not sure that's the right term.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If something works, it might start to become a lost art, but if it works, it works, huh?
unidentified		But like everything else, magic evolves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's another good question.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Doctor does it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does evolve.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		One thing I said, knowledge is a double-edged sword, and it is the hand of the wielder of power, whether it becomes black or white.
		You make the decision.
		The power is neutral.
		It's like a gun.
		In the hands of a person who is going to serve and protect you, it's going to be a positive.
		But if in the hands of a person who is going to come in and use that gun against you, it becomes a negative.
		The gun itself is neutral.
		It is only a power.
		Anyone who is a practicing metaphysician into magic understands that.
		That's why there is no white, there is no black, there is no gray.
		You either know it or you don't.
		And if you know it, you can handle both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, that's a great analogy.
		The gun is a great analogy.
		A gun never, rarely, not that I've ever seen, jumps up and kills anybody.
		As you point out, it can be used in any way that the holder wants to use it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paguini.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, this is Jodea, and it's an honor to speak with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to yell at us almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Seattle, and I consider myself sort of Episcopagan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Episcopagan?
unidentified		Yeah.
		A lot of people laugh at that, but I honor the goddess, Mother, Maiden, and Crone.
		And I also honor the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost because I know my history.
		And so to me, the two of them go very well together because way back when, before the Catholics took a lot of the Wiccan practices and made them Catholic, there was a blending, which is why I think the doctor might refer to the ultimate being God versus Goddess.
		Many Wiccans like to only acknowledge Goddess.
		Oh, yeah.
		And some like Wolden and Freya.
		Yeah.
		Okay, absolutely.
		Depends on what sect you belong to.
		Exactly.
		I'm an occultist, and so therefore I have studied all of the sects.
		I'm a practitioner.
		Well, I'm on my way to studying as many as possible, though what works most for me is Yorubin and Wicca.
		I'm an African-American woman, and my question to you is this.
		What connection does metaphysics or magic have to do with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder?
		I'm working in the field of mental health, and I've noticed that many schizophrenic people tend to hear seven voices, which coincides with a lot of my Yoruban knowledge of the seven African gods.
		Also, I've noticed with man of depression, a lot of it seems to be extremely spiritual for many of the people.
		And in fact, the psychiatrist or psychologist will refer to it as a god fixation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a connection, Ma'am?
unidentified		There is a connection only because there have been many individuals who have been placed in institutions many years ago who indeed were having latent psychic abilities, visions.
unidentified		They were being contacted by spirits or entities, and they have been called schizophrenic, they have been called psychotic, and they have been unfortunately detained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then I suppose years prior to that, many, they were burned.
unidentified		Absolutely, especially if they were good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Especially if they were good.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Does she have a website?
		And what is her view on the quickening?
		Is the earth changes for undergoing the weather changes, so forth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody has a website.
unidentified		It is.
		It is called Mystical Blend.
		I also have a live late-night talk show of the same name.
		And as far as the quickening is concerned, he's right on the money.
		And unfortunately or fortunately, I have been putting out a newsletter called Insight, and I have been talking about this for the last 25 years.
		We are in the countdown stages.
		1997 to 2004 is one portion of a devastation of the population of Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's already begun.
		Yes, it has.
		We're in the middle of it now.
		That's what I would say.
		And it's all around us.
		You have but to.
unidentified		Everybody should buy your book.
		And I'm not just using it as a plug.
		They need to know, and I like the fact that you now have on the show where they can get survival equipment, emergency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not there by accident.
unidentified		I know it isn't.
		And you're doing a wonderful job.
		People need to have this in their home.
		Just like at Beijing radio.
		You must have access to news as well as survival because there are people who have been losing everything in an instant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		We see it daily on the television.
		There's no question about it.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Peglini.
		Whoops, nope.
		You're a dial tone.
		You can't go on the air.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay, it's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Van Ice, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Van Ice.
unidentified		Yes.
		My son and I, quite a few years ago, separately, have had curses put on us, me physically and him, well, money-wise.
		Makes a lot, but loses a lot.
		And I wonder if there's any way that I could write this lady.
		Because I have taken my son to many people to have this removed, and it hasn't come off.
		Myself, no one has said they could take it off.
		I've been crippled for quite a few years now.
		And so I would like to write this, doctor, if possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how to contact you, doctor?
unidentified		Well, believe it or not, I am in the Sherman Oaks Van Euys area, and they can write to me at Mystical Blend or Dr. Evelyn Paglini, And that's at P.O. Box 57932, Sherman Oaks, California, 91413.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better do it again.
unidentified		That's Dr. Evelyn Peg Linney, P-A-G-L-I-N-I, at P-O Box 57932, Sherman Oaks, California, 91413.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		All right, if I can get it, they can get it.
		That's the way I figure.
		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right, sir.
unidentified		I got a mouth full of pretzels.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never call with a mouth full of petals.
unidentified		I'm sorry about that.
unidentified		Listen, I didn't get a chance to listen to your show tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why would you call?
unidentified		Because I have a very interesting piece of information for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have a guest on the air.
		I'm sorry.
		See, that's what happens when you don't listen and you just call.
		You don't know and then there's a guest and then...
unidentified		I'm a musician.
unidentified		And then, two, they dropped you at 5 o'clock here in the Midwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So call me tomorrow night.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		See, you shouldn't do that.
		Don't call the blind like that.
		Well, this is the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini and Arthell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		This is Aaron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Erin, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		No problem.
unidentified		It's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go.
unidentified		I just wanted to know if she's ever heard about the Golden Dawn.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't.
unidentified		I've been studying for a little while.
unidentified		So you like Raleigh, Mathers, and Agrippa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're both talking over my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
unidentified		We are very good practitioners of the occult, no longer, of course, among the living.
		but the Golden Dawn is exceptional.
		Yes, and I'm studying with some friends that are...
		Yeah, pick up the Equinox, the entire set.
		Uh-huh.
		Okay, it will.
		It's excellent.
		Crowley was a master.
		Yes, he's done a lot of good work.
		Yes, he has.
		Okay, thanks a lot.
		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Art Bell and Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, wow.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Jason from Tacoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jason.
unidentified		Yes, I would like to know if the doctor has any information on clays being used for certain curses.
		I might say my aunt, I guess, or someone that I was related to, I think, had a woman that lived next door to her who didn't like her very much for some reason.
		I did believe it was jealousy.
		And I think the thing was, she took some clay, the woman did, the witch or whatever she was, and put them in an oven.
		Yes, put it.
		Yeah, made an effigy.
		Right now they're using it, talking about evolvement.
		Now they use image candles.
		They're wax figures done in male or female.
		Or you can take cloth and you can design it into a male or female.
		And if you can get something like an article of clothing and a picture, it is called imitative and sympathetic magic.
		Oh, geez.
		Well, she put these feet inside of a little wooden swood stove.
		And sure enough, blisters all over her feet.
		Oh, yeah, very dangerous.
		Blisters all over her.
		Very dangerous people out there.
		Unbelievable.
		Unbelievable.
		That's why I teach people how to protect themselves.
		Well, my mom and grandma told me about this, and this is crazy.
		Well, anyway, I'll let you guys go on and fix water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		So you teach people how to protect.
		Here's a good question for you, Doctor.
		How is one able to discern the difference between, you know, bad luck, in other words, a bad occurrence, and something that has been a curse that has been put on you?
		How can you know that?
unidentified		Because normally it will run a cycle.
		If you are in a negative cycle, there is an end to it.
		It only lasts for a specific length of time.
		It only hits a particular area.
		But when someone's after you, they want to hit you in more than one area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it just keeps coming.
unidentified		And it keeps coming, and it keeps feeding upon itself.
		And that's why you have to learn how to put up a shield of protection.
		What I do is not only cleanse a person, but I give them the tools so that because I want to wean them from me, I want them to know how to help themselves.
		So that this way, if somebody tries again, you see, if I want you bad enough, I'm going to keep coming after you.
		Especially if I'm a practitioner.
		So what you need to know is how to defend yourself.
		And that's what I teach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even in the martial arts, it is primarily a defense system and only if necessary and rarely an offensive system.
unidentified		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there is a similarity or a parallel there?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is really fascinating stuff.
		You know, we're coming to the end of this program is what's happening.
		We're running out of time.
		But what I would like to do is be able to call on you at a future date at an earlier time when we could do a program.
unidentified		Be more than happy to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In that case, I think that I will give you the honors this night.
		You know what those are?
unidentified		Yes, they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, find a unique way to do it and be my guest.
unidentified		Listen every single night that you can to Art Bell because he's a man that has a lot of knowledge, reaching a lot of people, doing a lot of good.
unidentified		Tune in tomorrow night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was not a curse, ladies and gentlemen.
		That was an invitation.
		Evelyn, thank you.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Well, you know, that's spontaneous radio, folks.
		That's what that is.
		And that's all there is for tonight.
		Now, tomorrow night is going to be a very interesting night.
		One of the Oklahoma bombing victims, Marsha Kite, will be here.
		And then Joyce Riley.
		The next night, David Oates.
		It's going to be interesting from the high desert.

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