Art Bell’s 1997 replay teases a "witch hunt" excluding Wicca, targeting traditional practitioners—callers fax claims to 702-727-8499. He ties the Oklahoma City bombing trial penalty phase (life vs. lethal injection) to McVeigh’s need for remorse while dismissing psychic energy workers and channelers like Walter from Mount Rainier. Callers report cursed dolls, Chupacabras (blood-drained livestock near Mexico’s border), and Pictish witches blending moon rituals with Catholic Virgin Mary invocations. Dr. Evelyn Paglini joins, warning of 1997–2004 population collapse via curses tied to cosmic justice, offering salt/herb protection and "boomerang" karma techniques. Bell’s skepticism clashes with callers’ paranormal claims, hinting at deeper conspiracies—from UFOs (Roswell photos) to survivalist preparations—while promoting his WebTV setup and upcoming guests like Marsha Kite and Joyce Riley. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be, and welcome to yet another edition of Coast to Coast AM.
From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains in the west, all the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the Old Internet.
Thanks to AudioNet in Dallas.
Thank you, AudioNet in Dallas.
I'm Mark Bell, and this is the weird radio program in the nighttime that you've heard about.
And I'm sure that's what it'll be tonight.
Let me tell you what's going on.
Tonight is going to be open lines.
Anything you guys want to talk about is fine with me.
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As a matter of fact, I'm just about ready to go on a witch hunt.
As you, let's see, tomorrow night, let me take care of that first.
Tomorrow night is going to be a very serious night, so I intend to have fun tonight.
Tomorrow night, we are going to have at 11 o'clock, beginning of the show here in the West, Marcia Kite, who is in Denver.
Marcia Kite, I spoke with earlier in the day, and she lost her 23-year-old daughter in the explosion at the Murrifell Federal Building, and she has attended every day of the trial, save one, when they were doing phone records or something.
And I thought it would be particularly useful to be able to talk to somebody who's been, who was able to do what we, of course, have not done, aside from her intense interest, obviously, in the trial.
She has been there, and she got to hear all the evidence we did not get to hear, that which 12 people who convicted Mr. McVeigh heard.
And so she will be our guest in the first portion of the show.
And then she will be followed by Joyce Riley.
And Joyce Riley has some absolutely shocking information for you.
So that's what's coming up tomorrow night.
You're not going to want to miss that for sure.
Let me announce, I have got, I don't know, probably hundreds of messages.
And yes, I still have AOL.
We're in negotiation at the moment.
But there are hundreds of messages in there from people who have seen and love our new live studio cam.
And it's been a blast, absolutely a blast.
Now, I'm learning something, that's for sure.
Have you ever taped, try this just for fun one night, the NBC Evening News with Tom Brokaw?
And as Brokaw does the news, take your remote control, if you've got a good forehead VCR, and freeze frame Brokaw at almost any moment, and he has the dumbest look on his face.
Tom Brokaw looks like a complete idiot when you freeze frame him.
And occasionally, and of course that's what this program is doing, about every 30 seconds it's taking a freeze frame shot of me, processing it in my computer through my local ISP to a server in Arizona where it is then processed and goes out over the net.
So if you go up to my website, the first thing you see up there is in New Items Live, a studio cam.
And when you go to it, you get a very, very, very high quality updated photograph every, I don't know, 40 seconds, whatever it is, you know, however often it updates, you get it.
And so it freeze frames me, and I never really know how it's going to catch me.
And so I guess I know how Tom Brokoff feels.
Because there will be an occasional, very flattering photograph, and there will be an occasional photograph where your tongue is hanging out.
It just depends on how the camera catches you at that moment.
And even though I know when it's going to take the photograph, it counts down in seconds and tells me, all right, boom, and then it freezes for a second and starts counting down again.
So I could look over there and pay attention, but I don't.
I mean, I can't pay attention to that.
I've got to pay attention to doing the programming.
But it's a lot of fun.
And we're getting rave reviews.
And we're doing a little tweaking.
And for those of you who have been watching the live studio cam, let me tell you what the plans are.
I would expect in the next two days, we're going to get a video sequencer and another camera, which I am going to mount off to the side so that you can be able to see my studio console, and you'll see me from either the back or the side as well.
And we will have it sequenced between those two camera shots.
Keith, at the same time, is tweaking in Arizona and getting things working the way he wants them to work.
I've actually had people putting together collages into a little moving motion picture of Art Bell in motion.
You know, with the shots this far apart, I'm not sure it's meaningful, but they're doing it out there.
And I'm getting a lot of people who are sending me back renditions of what they have received on their end.
The whole thing is a blast.
And we're going to do one other thing tonight.
This is radio with television.
Pretty weird stuff, folks.
The other thing that we are going to do tonight is my wife has agreed to come in.
And So you're going to get to see my, I can't tell you when, but at some point tonight, Ramona will come in, and you'll get to see her.
And so all of you who are picture savers out there, that'll be your big moment.
I don't know what it's going to be.
I can't tell you, but she is definitely going to come in.
She has promised.
And I thought you would enjoy that.
All right, look, new affiliates, new affiliates, new affiliates.
Welcome, KGAL AM in Albany, Oregon.
1580 on the dial in Albany.
Glad to have you on board.
Here's a big one, folks.
WWNZ in Orlando, Florida.
50,000 watts on 740.
Ooh my.
50,000 watts on 740.
So rounding out to about 360-something affiliates for Coast and about 370 or 380 as an aggregate for the two programs, something like that.
And I am instructed here that I should give a special thanks to Russell Smith, who's the chief engineer of WNNZ, WWNZ, get it straight art, WWNZ, in Orlando, because I guess Russell jumped through a whole bunch of hoops to get the technical side of things going.
And Russell, I surely know how that goes, my friend.
So thank you very, very much.
As a matter of fact, it says here, Russell has helped get Coast Coast on at least three or four of your affiliates.
Really?
So he's a traveling guy.
Anyway, thank you, Russell, and glad to be on.
This will cover, I would imagine WWNZ will cover, well, you know, we ought to find out.
But at 50,000 watts, it ought to cover a whole bunch of central Florida and more, obviously.
So we're glad to have you on board.
Now, it's going to be open lines.
Let me first tell you about my little witch hunt before we go any further.
And I know I always catch hell for this, but it doesn't matter.
I am looking for a real broom-riding, spell-casting, magic-dispensing witch.
You know, a witch.
No, not a practitioner of Wicca, nor do I mean to in any way demean the practitioners of Wicca.
You guys know that is not what I mean.
And Bern-Marie, you're already typing, I know, out there in San Francisco.
And everybody will tell me you will never find one, but I did find one once.
And the reason I'm bringing this up tonight is because I had a very nice lady, and I won't even tell you who she is, call me and tell me, I'm your broom riding witch.
And she sent me photographs and everything.
Man, she looked like a witch.
I went, oh, wow, this is it.
And I called her up, and she was a very nice lady, but she was a practitioner of the white arts and the white light.
And that is not what I'm after.
Again, so that I can specify here, I am after a broomriden.
So if there's any witches out there, get hold of me by fax and I will call you.
Now surely a witch would have or could have access to a fax machine, right?
And fax me at area code 702-727-8499.
Now I want to remind everybody, as I do every night, I've got a three-page fax max.
Anybody who sends in excess of three pages, well, I'll leave it at that.
Three-page maximum, as I always announce.
So tax me, area code 702-727-8499.
I want to interview a real witch.
I know you're out there.
All right, the serious stuff.
Jurors Wednesday begin to consider whether Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh will be executed or spend his life in prison.
It should be quite a process.
The prosecution plans to call 45 witnesses over a period of three days.
Most, including no doubt my guest tomorrow night, will talk about the loss of their loved ones.
It's going to be very heart-wrenching.
You are going to see testimony over the next three days that is going to be hard to watch.
A legal analyst say Timothy McVeigh's best hope for avoiding the death penalty may be to beg for mercy from the jury.
When the penalty phase of the trial begins Wednesday, the same jury of seven men and five women are going to be asked to decide whether McVeigh should be sentenced to life in prison or death by lethal injection.
A law professor at the University of Colorado and a former federal prosecutor said, quote, my opinion is Timothy McVeigh's only real promising hope is to confess the crime and express extraordinary remorse.
Well, let's see, what else have we here?
More sex misconduct at Aberdeen, the Aberdeen Army proving ground in Maryland.
We've got a commander there going into early retirement admitting to adultery.
Lieutenant Fernaferi committed five years ago when he was in divorce proceedings.
Wow.
President Clinton's plane had to alter Course.
It had a close encounter of another airplane kind.
There is a very strict rule that suggests that other airplanes must remain within a certain distance of Air Force One, and if not, Air Force One must change course, and they had to do that.
Let's see, what else?
More evacuees from Africa.
And this is interesting.
Parents are being warned about the potential dangers of window cords, windowblind cords.
Apparently, toddlers are being choked to death.
As a matter of fact, they say 183 of them were accidentally strangled to death between 1981 and 95.
183 children choked to death by window cords.
Holy moly.
I've got a New York Times article here on the weather.
As you know, it is changing, and now the New York Times has caught on.
There was also an extensive story on CNN showing a lot of the same interesting photographs that Stan Deo showed and predicting the beginning of an El Niño, which will change weather patterns worldwide.
And that is beginning in earnest, apparently, in the Pacific Ocean.
So there you have that.
And I've just got a whole bunch of stuff here, but I think I'll hold on to a lot of it.
Oh, confirming an earlier story, the Associated Press from the Let's see, what newspaper is this?
I'm going to have to dig out which newspaper it is, but it's an AP story.
They are beginning a mass vaccination program in the Dominican Republic.
Now, that is interesting because I ran, as you know, with Dr. Horowitz, a story indicating something very serious was going on there.
And now we're going to find out that they're going to literally try and inoculate the entire Dominican Republic.
The Medical Association warns the actual number of cases of this strange disease could rise to 45.
The disease is passed on by coughing, sneezing, or through saliva, and is characterized by high fever, chills, and vomiting.
Doctors expect the death rate range from 30 to 90%.
Wow.
So for those of you that did not think that what Dr. Harwood said was real, it apparently is very real and is being no doubt kept very quiet, the Dominican Republic being, of course, a hot tourist location.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
I think you're absolutely correct.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always speaks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
If you've ever wondered, the real reason women talk more than men is they've got the brains for it.
I don't know about this article.
It says scientists have discovered that two language control areas in the female brain are significantly larger than those in the male brain.
We measured the brains of 10 men and 11 women after death and found that the Wernicke's Center, I guess it is, Wernicke Center, which helps us interpret words and sounds, takes up to 30% more of women's brains.
Anyway, when I got this, this fact, it indicates that he knows about an aircraft carrier that was stopped by a UFO, an unlikely event.
I called Jim.
We won't identify him.
And I really have, let's see, where is he?
Oh, he's in Maryland.
Maryland.
And I won't identify him any further than that.
In a moment, I'll bring him on the air and we'll ask him about it.
This is another one of those spurs.
A lot of things that we do on this program are done on the spur of the moment.
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Now we look at sending humans to an asteroid.
Smart idea?
I would love to see that happen.
A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
What better target than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
Now we take you back to the night of June 3, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
The End Now, um, a UFO stopping an aircraft carrier?
Well, another sailor got on the intercom that was a little more rational, and he said there's something.
All he said was there's something hovering over the ship.
There's something over the ship.
And I had heard from the other part of communications that all communications were out, voice and teletype.
So a couple of us ran out.
We were right below the flight deck.
We ran out to the edge of the flight deck, looked up, and we saw this big glowing sphere hovering over the island structure, the center of the aircraft carrier.
The only thing that I know, and I'm just a civilian, I was in the Air Force, but I've been a civilian a long time now, that could knock out everything.
It's funny, a friend of mine wrote a book about this that could knock out all the communications on an aircraft carrier would be an EMP pulse.
Of course, years ago that was classified, EMP type of thing.
Nobody knew, if everybody knew about it, so it was classified then.
But it not only knocked out communications, it knocked out everything electronic.
All the radar ceased to work.
Compses were going around and around, and just about everything that was electronic wouldn't operate.
They couldn't even launch any planes.
The planes wouldn't start.
So we were actually helpless in the water.
We were able to maneuver, we can move, but that was it.
Nothing else worked.
I only saw this object for a few seconds because battle stations were sounding, general quarters, and I had to go back to my station, which was in communications.
But later that evening, we were up all night talking about it.
Sure you were?
Yeah, I had been on the ship.
I knew a lot of the people, and I had been on there for a couple years, and having had discussions with radar operators and people that were on the bridge.
Well, here's the thing, Jim, that has always puzzled me.
Project Blue Book, the great whatever you want to think it was, the government issued, the Air Force said the final conclusion was, well, yes, some of these are unexplained.
We don't know what they are.
However, they are not a threat to national security.
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Right.
But when they can stop an aircraft carrier, that's a threat as far as I'm concerned.
So I never had to sign anything, but the commanding officer came on the closed-circuit TV system to address the crew a few days later, which was standard procedure.
And I'll never forget this as long as I live.
He talks about the operational readiness exercise we had just completed and how we were going back to Norfolk to stand down.
We were going to deploy to the Med in a few months.
And then at the very end of his speech, he said, I would like to remind the crew that certain events that take place aboard a major naval combatant vessel are considered classified and not to be discussed with anyone without a need to know.
And that was all that was ever said officially of the whole event, as far as I heard.
And I've always been very patriotic.
And having been patriotic, I didn't say a word about the event for years and years.
And just recently, though, I've become very interested in the whole UFO phenomenon and been thinking a lot about it.
And I've started to tell people the stories that happened.
And like I said before, working where I was, I didn't want to bring any attention to myself at all because, you know, it's a way that you can lose your clearance.
Well, maybe you ought to contact Dr. Greer, and maybe there are others among the 20 or 30 who no doubt are listening and who will now come forward, Jim.
Now, if you, I guess, you know, if you went vocally postal on them and you would like to do any of that here, you're welcome to do it.
In other words, what was going on that frustrated you so badly?
Waste, I mean, we all like to hear where our black budget tax dollars are being wasted.
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I've always been, you know, I'm a taxpayer too, and I don't want to see any waste.
I want money well spent.
Like I said, I'm very patriotic.
During the Vietnam era, I didn't run off to Canada.
I joined the military and served my country.
I didn't particularly like the situation that was going on, but I loved my country enough that I wasn't going to run off.
But anyway, and I would see certain things happening where money was being wasted and people getting promoted that were incompetent and this type of thing.
And it just gets on your nerves.
I always said I wasn't ever really suited for federal employment because I'm too conscientious.
And if they just keep quiet and don't make waves, they progress in the chain of advancement until they finally reach a position for which they're utterly not qualified.
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Yeah.
I had gone to schools.
I had gone to schools sponsored by them.
And it didn't matter whether you, I would always put my best effort into it.
And other people would just kind of sit back and coast through it.
Well, we both got the same pay.
We both got promoted.
I didn't get any extra recognition.
And it just irritated me.
I always put forth a good effort.
Other people would just sit there like a bump on a log and they'd just move right along.
And it was irritating.
It was very frustrating for a conscientious person.
Yes, we're getting comments on the live studio cam.
Hundreds and hundreds of comments.
And some of them, because of the nature of the camera, well, here's someone, for example.
Tonight I have on a shirt that, by the way, I got from Helsinki, Finland.
And while I was in Helsinki, Finland, I thought that'd make a nice little prop t-shirt, you know.
And so I've got a fan from Monterey, Roger, who says, hey, Art, the live shots are pretty cool.
Is the Helsinki t-shirt an advertisement for hair products?
No, Roger, it is not.
It is a souvenir being in Finland.
Do you ever open your eyes?
Is that fluorescent lighting?
You know how bad that is for you?
No, Roger, it is not fluorescent.
You have back problems.
Sitting up straight and using a better chair may help.
This is going to be interesting.
No, I'm not giving you a hard time.
I am simply paying attention.
I like my chair, Roger.
Do you know, I picked out this chair when I knew I was going to come home and I was going to be doing the show from home instead of the studio where I used to work, which had a horrible chair, by the way, absolutely horrid.
And I knew I was coming home, I went out and sat in chairs.
I spent about an hour sitting in chairs because I knew I would be sitting in this chair for a long time.
And I found out, I found one that supported my back just properly.
And that is what I am now using.
I'm very pleased with my chair.
And as for the, look, I wear glasses.
That's why you can't see my eyes.
And let me see, in five seconds, it'll take it.
So let me open my eyes wide and give you a shot that probably makes me look like that guy who ran the cult.
So I just took off my, did you ever see the picture of the fellow, what's his name, who ran the cult from Rancho, Santa Fe?
His wide eyes.
I just gave you a shot like that, took off my glasses.
It is the glasses that make it look like my eyes are closed, I believe.
So there, you've got a great big shot of a wide-eyed Art Bell.
We're going to have to learn how to deal with this.
As I said, sometime I think this next hour, I'm going to entice my wife to come in and take a look at her.
Television.
So cool.
Television is so cool.
Don't forget now, I am on a witch hunt.
I am on a witch hunt.
I'm looking for a real my description, and I don't care how much trouble I get in for saying it, broom riding, spellcastin', magic doing, witch, that kind of a witch.
And maybe I will open a special line for a witch later.
And you've got to sift through a lot of people who claim to be this or that until you get a real witch.
But they are out there, despite what the Wiccans have to say.
They are out there.
Incidentally, from Bay Area headlines, you know what?
I ought to hold this till the top of the hour until the Bay Area joins us.
So I'm going to do that.
We're going to take a break.
Top of the hour is on the way.
We'll be right back.
It's in Anything Goes Night.
Whatever's on your mind is fair game.
We'll just have a lot of fun tonight because tomorrow night is going to be real serious.
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You're listening to Arch Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 3rd, 1997.
Oh, we gotta get right back to where we've got it wrong.
We gotta get right back to where we started wrong Do you remember that day?
Do you remember that day?
When you will take my way, I don't wanna want to take your place.
You get hurt by the little things I see.
I can put that smile back on your face when it's all right and it's coming.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired June 3rd, 1997.
I have just ordered, actually, my beautiful wife, Ramona, who you've got to see, if you are watching live cam.
During this last break, she snuck in here and let it take a few photographs of her.
And then she said, how about bringing me a cat?
So I brought her Comet, who proceeded, and I'm sure it didn't snap that, although maybe it did.
Comet got in the room and leapfrogged off her chest using all claws in full action.
And so she's trying to get the blood all taken care of right now.
And Comet went several feet into the air.
I don't know.
He's always going to be wild.
He's always going to be a wild child.
No doubt about it.
Good morning, everybody.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Now, it's open lines tonight.
It's anything you want to do, anything that you'd enjoy doing.
I'm on a witch hunt this morning, and I knew well what to say and what not to say this time.
I always make a disclaimer because I know that the minute I ask for a broomriden witch, I'm going to get a fax from Bryn Marie in San Francisco and everybody else who's into Wicca.
And I got one, and I wish I could read it.
When Comet jumped, all the faxes in here went flying.
And I don't know where that one went, but she said, all right, all right, all right, disclaimer.
Something like that.
I'll find that and read it to you.
It was a wild moment in here before I came back on the air.
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Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Okay, well, Comet really did nail my wife pretty hard.
Maybe I'll bring her in and she can show you her scratches sometime.
Boy, he really got her.
Really got her.
Art, the live cam is great.
When the asteroid zeros in on for rump, do you have enough cable to get it to a window for a live shot?
Yes, I do.
Yeah, we can have an outside cam, a UFO cam.
I never thought of that.
I thought of a microphone once, and I've always been meaning to put a microphone outside, but now that there's an opportunity to put it, you know, gosh boy, you know, I could put an outside camera.
I could mount a camera outside, by golly.
And we have some pretty beautiful scenery here.
We've got an 11,900-foot mountain that stands over the little town that I'm in.
I mean, you know, a rocky-sized mountain, that's a big mountain.
There's still snow on it, a little bit, even now.
I would say 10 months or 9 to 10 months out of the year, there's snow on that mountain.
When you're going to go to streaming video, face-it-art, it's inevitable.
Yeah, but you won't get the kind of quality you're getting now.
Art studio cam is great.
I'm looking at Ramona waving.
Will this be on during Dreamland?
I would like to show my son.
Yes, it will.
Sure, we'll have it on during Dreamland.
I see it probably during most live shows, unless I want a night of privacy.
Now, there may be some nights when I don't feel like doing this.
And if I don't, then I'll turn it off.
That's all.
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Welcoming WWNZ.
50,000 watts on 740 in Orlando, Florida.
So you'd have to look at 50,000 watts on 740.
Must cover like a giant chunk of Florida, if not the majority of.
I don't know.
We'll find out.
And KGAL in Albany, Oregon, 1580 on the dial.
Welcome both of you to the network.
Glad to have you.
There is a very interesting story.
It's open lines tonight, but here is one.
We just had a man on the air, by the way, if you missed the first hour.
There was a man who worked for the NSA, he says, and was fired for going vocally postal on them and now tells the story of an aircraft carrier, the John F. Kennedy, that was stopped dead cold by a UFO hovering above it.
Oof, what a story.
And now this, and I've been hearing about this and hearing about it, and I suppose I should have this guest on.
Does the Bible contain a secret code that foretells the future?
This is a Reuters news story, folks, not an Art Bell story, a Reuters news story from New York.
With reviewers and experts denied an advanced look.
A book was published around the world this week claiming that the Old Testament contains a secret code that 3,000 years ago foretold the Holocaust and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.
The book says the code, found in the Bible by an Israeli computer expert, figures, also foretold many other of history's major events and warns of an atomic war that could bring the end of the world in 2000 or 2006.
Oh my!
Trumpeted with full-page advertisements in publications like the New York Times, the Bible Code has been snapped up in Hollywood by Warner Brothers, that sees it as a perfect vehicle for those who like their Raiders of the Ark flavored with large doses of Nostradamus-style predictions.
Ooh, I've got to interview this guy.
So if anybody out there knows the fellow who has written this book, by all means, by all means, folks, please send him my way and I will interview him.
Well, I'm not surprised.
While we're on the subject of things that would seem to agree with my book, let me hit my book one time here because it's selling out.
The second printing is selling out.
It's going like crazy.
And I just, I don't know, maybe they're going to be ordering the third printing shortly.
So here's a deal.
And this deal is not going to be going much longer, I can tell you right now.
I have authored a book called The Quickening.
It apparently has resonated with a lot of people because we have never seen such ordering in all our lives.
Anyway, it is a compilation of things that I have come to believe are absolutely true through the years that I have been doing this program.
And I'll try and give you a shot from the front and otherwise as well.
I hope that comes out.
And now I'll give you a side shot if I can.
It really is a very, very fine book.
It's a well-made book.
They do nothing but the best quality work.
So that's The Quickening.
And if you'd like an autographed first edition copy of The Quickening, you really need to act because I'm not going to be doing that for too much longer.
So let me give you the phone number, and they are ready for immediate shipment.
Now, what's going to happen is the same thing that occurred last time.
In other words, when I run out of books, I will stop advertising because it is too frustrating to people.
And so I will stop the advertising.
And I know a lot of people say, oh, good, we don't want to hear it anyway.
But I wouldn't wait because I am told my publisher says the second printing is going about like the first.
The number is 1-800-864-7991.
You can call it right now.
Or if you can't get through right now, because it's obviously going to get very busy very quickly, write the number down and call tomorrow or something.
But in the meantime, pick up the phone right now and see if you can get through.
I'm getting rave reviews on the book.
As a matter of fact, one night when we have time, well, maybe even tonight, we'll open the line for people who have read the book and would like to give their own reviews.
I'm not afraid to do that at all.
Open line straight ahead, east of the Rockies.
You are on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Yeah, this is Vince Coin from just outside of Chicago.
I almost wish you wouldn't mention that, because what he's got going on right now, let's see, what could I tell you?
I can't tell you much about it.
I can tell you that we are talking, you know, I guess you've heard the news about this scientist who years ago said that cometary material is consistently piling into the earth, adding like an inch of water every so often.
I mean, serious amounts of cometary material.
That scientist, whose name I just can't recall this moment, may be coming on toward the end of the week.
We don't know yet.
Then there's a thing about Egypt, and you're right, it's a teaser because this is so serious, what we've got going with Egypt, that if the information is correct and I have the person on that I think I'm going to have on, and he's going to say what he's going to say, I may have to stay on the boat when I get to Egypt.
unidentified
You know, Art, I have a feeling inside me, you know, some sort of vibration that Richard is really on to something.
I just feel it in my soul that Richard is really, really onto something, and I just always await, you know, what's coming out of, you know, his research and his scientific study.
Let's say you, even witches, have to go to the grocery store and shop, right?
Okay, so you go to the grocery store, and the bag boy is helping you out with the bags, and he suddenly gets caught in attitude and takes your shopping bag and throws it on the ground and says something awful to you.
Now, could you give him a corn on his foot if you wanted to?
unidentified
I'm sure I could, but I would never do that.
I wouldn't be very compassionate.
I would just kind of love him and make a joke or something and just change his mind.
I'm not doing any more television, except for this kind.
No more TV interviews, no more networks, no more serial shows, no more television of any kind, and no more newspaper interviews.
You think I'm kidding?
You just go, you watch.
No more newspaper interviews, no more television.
That's it.
I'm done.
Except for, you know, this is something entirely different, Ron.
This is what I was talking about, what we're doing here on the air right now.
This is different.
And by the way, I wonder how many of you, I wonder if everything was running all right.
You might send me a facts and let me know if you were able to see Ramona during one of the breaks.
We had her come in.
Now, this is cool.
When I said television is cool, I know it sounded weird, but I meant this, what we're doing here, which is to me an interconnectivity with the radio program that we're doing and an adjunct to the radio program.
And probably a lot of people don't even know what the hell I'm talking about right now.
On my website, if you go to my website, you can click on, you'll see in the newest items, a live webcam.
And when you click on that, you will get a high quality, or very high quality, the highest I've ever seen for this kind of a system, photograph of me doing whatever I'm doing or whatever it is that's going on in the studio during the show.
Now, when the hours are up that we're not doing the program, whatever was the last photograph taken of me is going to be what's running the rest of the day.
But while we're on the program live, this new system, Bless Peace Heart, that he has found that we are using, will be up and running.
And this kind of TV I love because it is a direct connection to you guys who are listening to me.
But as far as letting these people come in with cameras anymore, I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing it.
I have now sworn it off.
Never again.
And I don't like television.
You're exactly right.
I don't like television.
And when I say that, I mean produced television, where they come in and do two hours of video and end up with three minutes of video that they run wherever for whatever and all the rest of it.
Television, I watch it, but I'm not going to be on it anymore.
Except for this kind of thing.
But this has to do with the program.
It's entirely different.
But television networks and shows, no more.
No more.
Newspaper interviews, there I won't say forever, but for a long time, I'm not going to do them.
I've stopped.
There's too much going on in my life.
If people want to know what I have to say, they can listen to my radio Program, and if somebody wants to write a nasty newspaper article about me, which I'm used to, by the way, no problem.
It was a doll that had a doll that had, yeah, that really is a very interesting story.
It was a genuine article, a doll that had been in a fire and had a curse on it.
And wasn't it nice of some listener to send me a doll with a curse on it?
It really ticked me off.
And this was an old doll, too.
And I believed that it was real.
And you could see the doll was singed.
And, well, yeah, again, all right, now you've caused another reason for me to call my wife in.
So, Hannah, if you're out there, this is the most I've had her in the studio, I think, since I've ever done the program.
She will tell you what she did with the doll.
unidentified
And why is it that the wife always has to come in here and say, you know, talk about the things that are unpleasant or the things that are nasty?
Reminds me of the days when I used to be a talk show host.
Well, this is Ramona Bell, and I'm here to tell you the story of the cursed doll.
Interesting enough, we received this package about, oh, two or three months ago, and I open it up, and here comes the letter, and this very raggedy-looking but still intact doll.
And the letter says, Dear Art, this doll I am sending to you because I don't know what to do with it.
It was salvaged from an attic.
This person wanted to sell old toys, so he found all these old dolls and things in his attic, in the attic of a house that he owned.
And among these things, he found a little ditty about this doll that said that this doll was involved in a fire.
Anyone who was in possession of this doll was involved in a fire.
Its owners or previous owners have had problems and complications.
He wanted nothing to do with this, so rather than dispose of it in a manner that would be appropriate for such an item, he sends it to us.
And the moment I started reading that this was a cursed doll, I do know, and may or may not have told you this, but I do know a little bit about magic.
I'm a water witch, which means that I know how to dowse.
And I have been able to find water by dowsing and proved it to Mr. Skeptical here.
The same goes for cursed items.
What I had done was the doll was wrapped in plastic and it was in a box.
So I took what amounted to, I'd say 12 ounces of just plain old table salt, and I put the doll in another bag, and then I took the table salt and I sprinkled it all around, all inside of the bag with the doll, sealed it back up, and took it to its final resting area, which is now probably the city dump here.
And that's basically how we got rid of it.
And I will tell you right now that for anyone who wants to send another cursed item, don't bother because we have enough problems as things go.
And just to make it short, we're in bed sometime after 11, finished watching the band downstairs, enjoyed that, ate, went off to bed, started to slumber away.
And pretty soon I'm getting the chicken skin and I open my eyes and there's something probably six or seven feet.
Okay, so something's up, and I can, so I open my eyes and I see something six or seven feet tall standing at the end of the bed, my impression is it was something human-shaped, kind of glowing.
Scared me so bad I couldn't move, you know, get that totally petrified, you can't move.
Closing your eyes is the only muscle that'll work.
Now, see, I have a very hard time buying that part.
Closing your eyes, sure.
It's like pulling the covers over your head.
I understand that.
unidentified
But how could you possibly, possibly go to sleep?
Okay, I was so terrified that I closed my eyes, and all I know is the next thing I woke up, and it was about 3 or 4 in the morning, and I had to go to the bathroom.
Now, I don't want to freak out and say too many weird things, but my impression was it looked like what I would think an alien would look like.
Okay, we'll leave that at that.
I didn't tell my wife or ask her about it until the next day when we were on Oahu.
And I said to her, Dave, you know, last night I think I saw something in our room.
Oh, I'm getting chicken skin right now.
And she said, I didn't want to tell you, but there was about a seven-foot-tall Hawaiian pissed off that came in through our window and stood at the end of our bed.
why would a devout Mormon say pissed off Hawaiian?
Why would a devout Mormon say say pissed off Hawaiian?
A devout Mormon would probably say very angry Hawaiian well perhaps that exact choice of words needless to say she said that it was not happy and was right there and he could deal with it.
Well, in the sense that we're all connected like that, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
Well, one other thing I'd like to ask about.
If I've posed this question to the talk shows up here, if we were, say the spaceships did land here and gave us real super conveniences, free energy and this and that, well, we'd all be free.
We'd all have free energy.
We could grow our own food.
But still, I've asked people, how would we divvy up the land on this planet?
I mean, if they gave us all this and told us, you guys are foolish not to be self-sufficient, each one of you now.
Everything's free.
Here you go.
This will end your crime and your famine and all this.
I mean, we could do that right now with our government, you know, but all over the world, just it's a terrible joke.
But I wonder, you know, what would happen when they did land here and gave us that?
It is indeed a very good, good question, and I don't have the answer, but I sure would invite anybody in the audience to answer it.
unidentified
How about that?
Okay, yeah, one other thing, Art.
If you believe in this about the Holy Spirit deal, if you want to hear some noise or if your listeners hear any noises or their animals start acting funny, this is for everybody.
I believe the Holy Spirit can do that.
So see if anybody hears any noises, including you.
Art, I am both watching you and listening to you on my Macintosh from the floor of my darkened kitchen.
I recognize the significance of what you're doing tonight and have set up my sleeping bag to watch and listen for as long as I can stay awake here in Marin County.
really um I I have a full mailbox on AOL right now.
Yeah, I bet I do.
Sorry about that, folks.
I'll try and get it cleared out.
There are hundreds of messages in there.
What I did was ask for a response to our CAM, and it just went absolutely, the response was much larger than I thought it was going to be.
And so I don't know how the hell I'm going to get through it.
I don't know.
Anyway, I've been trying, every time I hold up a copy of my book, I'm doing it again here, everybody rushes over to get a look at it and it freezes.
So I've been holding it up a couple of times.
I've been getting a lot of messages saying, well, it's freezing.
Every time you say that, everybody runs over there and it freezes.
You know, when so many people are jumping on the server at once.
What you can do is go to www.artbell.com, which is my website, and you'll see the live studio cam thing there, and you punch that up and you'll see a photograph of me probably doing something.
I don't know if anybody called this in, but this is also, this is in just outside of Orlando, but in Orange County, which is the same county that Orlando's in.
That's disgusting, sir, but I really appreciate the report.
Thank you.
unidentified
Be a pobo-bacawawa.
You know how to do that?
Some people say they have seen the Chupacabra.
After some tequila he was dancing the Lampada.
He doesn't know where he has to come.
Making all the Mexicans looking like a tum tum They say that he's a monkey I think the whole story's just a little monkey You're the monkey eyes, which is every color chupacabra Pork meat, salt, like a meat and a chihuahua In Mexico City, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua Hey, chupacabra I'm a creature, which is a java chupacabra It's very pale, like a chupacabra I'm a little bit more, but I'm a little bit more Oh, chupacabra Oh, that's just fun.
Yes, that sounded actually fairly serious, didn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
My husband, last, or in May, the 1st of May, was accidentally just flipping the channels on our Prime Star to the channel Evicion, you know, the Mexican channel.
No, don't say them because I don't know any words, and I wouldn't know the difference, and it could be that you would say a bad word, and I wouldn't know it.
But actually, you do have an accent.
That's very interesting, and it's just from being so close to so many, huh?
I mean, it's like, I'm sure I couldn't call them up and ask them, could I?
unidentified
It was a news item, and the point of the news item was tainted in the fact of letting people calm down and the fact that they did have some, they did have a specimen that supposedly came actually from the States, that it was an illegal that caught it.
And they had it literally on the truck shipped back with them.
And they took it over to the University of Mexico.
Well, look, I appreciate your call, and I will try what sources I have to see if we can determine if the University of Mexico really is holding a chupa.
Again, I guess I better say because they're beginning to, uh, a coming, uh, We're roaring through it, so if you guys want an autographed copy of my book, you better get on it.
It is The Quickening.
And by the way, it is absolutely real.
There has never been a more relevant book, in my opinion, written about what's going on around us and to us, where it's going, than this.
It's actually entitled The Quickening, Today's Trends, Tomorrow's World.
Well, look, first of all, nobody knows for sure if it's causing the bad weather.
There are people who believe that the HAARP project in Alaska, which is still going on, yes, is affecting the weather.
I don't know if I believe that or not.
I don't know if they've reached power levels that could begin affecting the weather.
I just don't know.
But in answer to your question, yes, the HAARP project is continuing.
And if you put that together with some of the images shown by CNN yesterday with regard to the El Niño forming out in the Pacific, it's pretty freaky.
unidentified
Geez, I think if they don't know what they're doing quite right, or they're targeting things on purpose to make more work for us, or what they're doing up there.
I don't know that HAARP is having any effect on the weather at all.
I can't say that I know that.
What I can say that I think I know, and I do, is that our weather is in the process of a severe change that is part of the quickening.
I don't really want to get in a terribly serious mood this morning, and this will do it for me.
But I've said this on numerous occasions lately.
One does not need to be a candidate for employment at NASA to know that our weather is changing.
And I've been saying that for some time, and now finally everybody seems to be saying it.
Suddenly, NASA's remarking about it.
The National Weather Service is remarking about it.
Standalo in Australia, well, you know what he's had to say about it.
And on and on and on, a lot of mainstream media sources are now talking about the new hurricane season coming, going to be more vicious than ever.
Vice President Gore began talking about more extreme weather.
Be prepared for more extreme weather.
You heard that, didn't you, from Vice President Gore?
Well, Vice President Gore in some ways is not my favorite guy, but in other ways, he's kind of a techno-dweeb, and I have some level of appreciation for his technical expertise, and he does have quite a bit.
You know, he really does.
And he's right about that.
I mean, so the weather is changing and quickening.
Make no mistake, what I have written in this book is a process that is not predicted.
It's not prophecy.
It's something that I document, and it's going on right now.
We're living in it right now.
This is not something coming.
Yes, it will continue to, at an exponential rate, I believe, increase.
but make no mistake about it the process has already begun well Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
A mission to an asteroid is exactly the kind of thing that our nation's space program ought to be focused on.
Really pushing the envelope and really showing us what's feasible and possible to do.
What better targets than leaving the Earth-Moon system behind completely and venturing off to a new little world that we've never been to before and getting ready for that long mission to Mars.
Now we take you back to the night of June 3rd, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
We can hear you, but it's just that it sounds like you've got a lot of interesting stuff to say, and I would like it to be very clear.
Anyway, let's get into it.
What do you do?
unidentified
Okay, Pictish, which means I practice some magic, but also there's a nature worship involved, which means I have observances of the moon, the four festivals, things like that.
And also I'm a kitchen witch because I'm married and I have a child.
And basically I also practice solitary, which means that I don't belong to a cousin.
And, you know, they did the second, they offered that second day, so it's a little, you know, a little frustrating, but I'm really excited to get the product.
Look, I'm telling you, not everybody in the world is a computer whiz.
I mean, that's all there is to it.
Not everybody is a computer whiz.
And is ever going to be until computers, until the very nature of computers change.
Now, I have worked hard, and I really mean I've worked hard for a couple of years learning the IBM system, first with Windows 3.1 and now with stinking Windows 95 and DOS and learned what I can about programming and you know I'm new and I still struggle and have a love-hate relationship with my computers.
So I do understand that not everybody out there wants to venture into this.
I mean it's a fairly serious thing to begin to get into and yet the World Wide Web is extremely enticing and I can understand you would want to be on the World Wide Web.
You should be.
Web TV gives that opportunity.
Boom, and you're on.
That's it.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get on.
You press one button and away you go.
So I mean there's a tiny learning curve.
You have to learn to enter a website that you want to go to, and then you can put it in your favorites list, and then all you have to do is click on that and boy, away you go.
But Web TV has a definite big place in the marketplace of technology.
I recognize that.
Even though I like my computers, I firmly recognize that WebTV has a place.
Because I don't blame you.
A lot of people are intimidated by computers, and this will get you on the web, just like that.
And it's a lot more dangerous when you're running empty.
unidentified
A lot more.
And that's especially when you're empty.
When you're full, it's not so bad.
But when they're empty, them things are a handful when the wind, especially when you're close to the coast, you come to their bridges and the openings.
Did anybody happen to see the clip on CNN last night of the police chase?
My God, that speeds of up to 150 miles an hour.
And this guy was in a black car of some kind, and he passed one of the trucks like that guy you just heard was driving.
And then there was another one up ahead, and something put this guy into a skid, and he went sideways and plowed into the back of this other semi, probably doing 100 miles an hour.
And the car was totally demolished.
But incredibly, incredibly, this guy was thrown out of the car and came away with a few scratches and bruises.
You could actually see his body thrown from the car.
Another odd thing about O'Coy, Florida, is that there's a guy over there that has a copy of a picture that's on your webpage that's supposedly from Roswell of a UFO and a chopper chasing it.
In other words, if you are doing something in the dark side, which will harm somebody, and you are doing it to achieve justice or some kind of balance, is that what you're referring to when you say there can be an exception?
unidentified
There can be an exception.
It is rare.
It is very rare.
It's a case-by-case.
And the ultimate decision would be God's if you were justified or not.
So if you did not pay it karmically in this time, you can bet you will in the next.
Now, I want to discuss the nature of a curse a little bit.
There are those who say that you can only be cursed if you believe that a curse will work.
In other words, if I say this is all balderdash and you're full of it, and there's no way anybody can put a curse on me, and I firmly believe that, then I cannot be cursed.
Is that true, or is a curse a real thing that can occur to you whether or not you believe in it?
unidentified
If the practitioner is that good, you can be a thousand miles away or 10,000 miles away.
You can believe it or not believe it, and it will reach you.
It depends on their power and how they can concentrate it as a laser beam and send it to you.
A curse is usually acquired because somebody is either seeking revenge or is envious of you and wishes you ill will.
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Now we take you back to the night of June 3, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I am going to broach a kind of a sensitive area for me, and I may have to blank out your answer.
I really don't know.
But there is something that's been very seriously going on in my life.
If you've been listening to the program for any period of time, you probably know I've made mention of it.
Is there any way yes, I can help.
unidentified
I'll give you an explanation.
The salt that was used by your wife on the doll is what they call the first layer of defense.
Second layer of defense would be sea salt.
Third layer of defense would be sulfur.
Third layer of defense would be black salt.
In other words, when you want to put a shield of protection around you, depending on the individual who is sending you a negativity, you better make sure you pull out the big guns.
You can also use herbs, and you can also use blended essential oils that are blended specifically for the purpose.
There are deeds that people do to each other, and I guess you could suggest any evil deed comes from the dark side.
But there are in the real world, not the occult world, bad things that people do to each other.
If somebody does something bad to you in the real world, without it necessarily being connected to the occult, maybe everything is, for all I know, what the hell do I know?
But in other words, if they do a bad thing to you, can you respond to them from the dark side to achieve what would be perceived as karmic justice?
unidentified
Yes, you can by setting up a mirror.
It's called a boomerang.
In other words, the person has to be worried, that is the sender, has to be worried that you have not acquired an individual like myself who will teach you, one, how to put up a shield of protection, and two, how to set up a mirror, meaning anything that has been sent will be delivered right back.
There is never an innocent party that has ever touched that way.
Fortunately, if an individual that designed the DAO was not a very heavily practitioner, then that would have taken care of it.
If this person was of great power, then that first layer of defense would have been dissolved immediately, and the curse would not have been taken off of that DAO.
You know, it's a funny thing, but really, having said that it didn't connect to that doll, I honestly have no way of knowing what this thing that has occurred, what it relates to, I have no way of knowing.
Fascinating.
What I would like to do is take a few calls.
I have asked you the serious questions that I want to ask, and there's not a lot of program left, but I sure would like to see what the audience would have to say.
Well, for those individuals who are dealing with metaphysical practitioners, depending on the sect they belong to, it is my outdated training that is able to perform what I am able to perform.
And it is the innocent party who is the recipient who is usually looking for someone like me because I take on all comers.
A lot of people laugh at that, but I honor the goddess, Mother, Maiden, and Crone.
And I also honor the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost because I know my history.
And so to me, the two of them go very well together because way back when, before the Catholics took a lot of the Wiccan practices and made them Catholic, there was a blending, which is why I think the doctor might refer to the ultimate being God versus Goddess.
Many Wiccans like to only acknowledge Goddess.
Oh, yeah.
And some like Wolden and Freya.
Yeah.
Okay, absolutely.
Depends on what sect you belong to.
Exactly.
I'm an occultist, and so therefore I have studied all of the sects.
I'm a practitioner.
Well, I'm on my way to studying as many as possible, though what works most for me is Yorubin and Wicca.
I'm an African-American woman, and my question to you is this.
What connection does metaphysics or magic have to do with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder?
I'm working in the field of mental health, and I've noticed that many schizophrenic people tend to hear seven voices, which coincides with a lot of my Yoruban knowledge of the seven African gods.
Also, I've noticed with man of depression, a lot of it seems to be extremely spiritual for many of the people.
And in fact, the psychiatrist or psychologist will refer to it as a god fixation.
There is a connection only because there have been many individuals who have been placed in institutions many years ago who indeed were having latent psychic abilities, visions.
They were being contacted by spirits or entities, and they have been called schizophrenic, they have been called psychotic, and they have been unfortunately detained.
Well, believe it or not, I am in the Sherman Oaks Van Euys area, and they can write to me at Mystical Blend or Dr. Evelyn Paglini, And that's at P.O. Box 57932, Sherman Oaks, California, 91413.
Yes, I would like to know if the doctor has any information on clays being used for certain curses.
I might say my aunt, I guess, or someone that I was related to, I think, had a woman that lived next door to her who didn't like her very much for some reason.
I did believe it was jealousy.
And I think the thing was, she took some clay, the woman did, the witch or whatever she was, and put them in an oven.
Yes, put it.
Yeah, made an effigy.
Right now they're using it, talking about evolvement.
Now they use image candles.
They're wax figures done in male or female.
Or you can take cloth and you can design it into a male or female.
And if you can get something like an article of clothing and a picture, it is called imitative and sympathetic magic.
Oh, geez.
Well, she put these feet inside of a little wooden swood stove.
And sure enough, blisters all over her feet.
Oh, yeah, very dangerous.
Blisters all over her.
Very dangerous people out there.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
That's why I teach people how to protect themselves.
Well, my mom and grandma told me about this, and this is crazy.
Well, anyway, I'll let you guys go on and fix water.
How is one able to discern the difference between, you know, bad luck, in other words, a bad occurrence, and something that has been a curse that has been put on you?
How can you know that?
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Because normally it will run a cycle.
If you are in a negative cycle, there is an end to it.
It only lasts for a specific length of time.
It only hits a particular area.
But when someone's after you, they want to hit you in more than one area.
And it keeps coming, and it keeps feeding upon itself.
And that's why you have to learn how to put up a shield of protection.
What I do is not only cleanse a person, but I give them the tools so that because I want to wean them from me, I want them to know how to help themselves.
So that this way, if somebody tries again, you see, if I want you bad enough, I'm going to keep coming after you.
Especially if I'm a practitioner.
So what you need to know is how to defend yourself.