May 28, 1997 - Art Bell
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Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997, from the high desert and the great American Southwest. | |
| I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many prolific time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains, even Guam. | ||
| Here's that won. | ||
| All the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM. | ||
| I'm Art Bell, and tonight, boy, what a treat you're in for. | ||
| Wayne Green is here. | ||
| And I know some of you out there are going, huh? | ||
| Who's Wayne Green? | ||
| Well, it's easier to answer who isn't Wayne Green and what hasn't he done. | ||
| He sent me a list of things that Wayne Green has done. | ||
| I'll give you a few in a moment. | ||
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I'm not going to begin to read all of these. | |
| So that's what's coming up tonight, and you name it. | ||
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We'll talk about it. | |
| As I said, it really might be easier to list what Wayne Green has not done. | ||
| Piloted a nuclear attack submarine 800 feet under the Pacific. | ||
| Now, that I would like to try. | ||
| Piloted an Air Force C-5B. | ||
| Oh, man, that's a big aircraft. | ||
| Climbed the Great Wall of China. | ||
| Has operated a ham station from the famed American Embassy in Tehran. | ||
| Operated from the Korean DMZ as a ham. | ||
| From King Hussein's palace in Amman, Jordan, that must have been fun. | ||
| Been to 132 countries. | ||
| Helped new technologies like cellular phones, personal computers, and Compactists to grow into major industries. | ||
| Represented the U.S. at an international communications conference. | ||
| Represented New Hampshire for Governor Sununu at a governor's conference in Halifax. | ||
| Served on the New Hampshire Economic Development Commission. | ||
| Has had 100 long editorials published thus far. | ||
| Began the first personal computer magazine bite. | ||
| Started the first computer magazine devoted to a single computer, 80 micro, started one of the first personal computer software companies, opened computer stores nationwide, eventually sold a chain of 58 stores. | ||
| And I'm about a third of the way through the list. | ||
| He's that kind of guy. | ||
| He's done it all, or has he? | ||
| Wayne Green from New Hampshire. | ||
| Wayne. | ||
| Well, good morning, Art. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| That's a thousand editorials. | ||
| A thousand editorials. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A thousand editorials. | ||
| Having just done even the third of the things that I read on this list, you should be at least as rich as Bill Gates. | ||
| Well, I have never had any interest in money. | ||
| It's always kind of come by accident and surprised me. | ||
| And I've never done any of these things with the purpose of making money. | ||
| I've done things because I look around, somebody ought to do that. | ||
| And I give up and I say, okay, I'll do it. | ||
| You know what I think your problem is, Wayne? | ||
| You do it before anybody else does it. | ||
| You get done with it, go on to something else. | ||
| Then somebody else comes along and says, ooh, look at that. | ||
| And they get into the business. | ||
| They begin to market whatever it was, and they get rich. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I'm happy with that. | ||
| Have you looked at it that way? | ||
| Yeah, I've never wanted to be rich. | ||
| I've been rich several times, and it doesn't please me. | ||
| I'm never going to forget what Ted Turner said. | ||
| And he's got, of course, baseball teams and networks and all the money a body could ever use and Jane Fonda. | ||
| And he said, you know, being rich is kind of like an empty bag. | ||
| Well, it's kind of a responsibility, too, because then you're supposed to take care of it, and that's a full-time job. | ||
| And I've just never had any interest in that. | ||
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But Inc. | |
| Magazine did a survey of the most successful entrepreneurs, and they found that none of them did their things for the reason of making money. | ||
| They also found that virtually none of them ever completed college. | ||
| Is that so? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is that so? | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| I do have, I do what I do because I love it, and, you know, my attitude was the money is probably never going to come. | ||
| Broadcasting is not one of those industries, unless you get lucky and make it to the top or you make any money. | ||
| Generally, you starve to death. | ||
| And I did that for a lot of years, but I had fun. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I enjoyed that. | ||
| And I came close to getting into a thing similar to what you're doing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| But lordy, that was 50 years ago. | ||
| And I was an engineer announcer down at WSPD in Sarasota, Florida. | ||
| And I was doing such a nice job of ad-living and talking about things that they offered me a whole morning show. | ||
| That's how it begins. | ||
| But instead, I chose to go in a different direction. | ||
| I said, no, I don't want to get into that. | ||
| I think there's things that are going to be more fun for me. | ||
| And of course, I eventually ended up publishing a ham radio magazine. | ||
| Now, what can be more fun than that? | ||
| Good heavens. | ||
| I don't feel like I've worked for years. | ||
| The expeditions could be more fun. | ||
| I mean, packing up and going out into the middle of Christmas Island or someplace like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I've done that. | ||
| I started back in 1958 with my first trip to Navassa, which is a tiny American-owned island out in the Caribbean between Haiti and Jamaica. | ||
| And it's a fascinating island. | ||
| It's about one by three miles. | ||
| It has no beaches. | ||
| It has cliffs all the way around, 100-foot cliffs, and you have to climb up a steel rope ladder to get on the island. | ||
| And of course, six of us hands chartered a boat out of Nassau and sailed down there. | ||
| And along the way, we ran into a storm, a very heavy storm, and we almost got killed a couple of times, which talk about adventure. | ||
| But eventually we got to the island. | ||
| And we operated our ham rigs there. | ||
| And of course, we dropped some of the stuff into the water as we were loading it onto the island. | ||
| And I brought along my scuba gear, so I had to go down and salvage all of the parts from about 100 feet down. | ||
| And so anyway, that was adventure. | ||
| Adventure. | ||
| Wayne, on behalf of hams out there, I want to ask you a question. | ||
| I'm a ham operator, have been since I was real small. | ||
| And I'm quite devoted. | ||
| Actually, I've got a new rig, by the way. | ||
| Boy, do I love it, too. | ||
| It's Yesu 1000 MP. | ||
| Really like that rig. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I make nice stuff. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| The bands are dead, pretty much. | ||
| Well, of course, and they're going to be that way for a couple more years. | ||
| Although the sunspots, as you know, are starting on the new cycle, and the cycle comes up fast. | ||
| Well, that's what I was going to ask. | ||
| In behalf of HAMS, have we now detected, for sure, the change in polarization indicating that we're going to be on the upswing? | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely on the upswing. | ||
| And as I say, it comes up fast. | ||
| So I think we'll be seeing our major long-distance bands opening up in the evening again. | ||
| Gosh, when the sunspots are high, you can work 20 meters all night and talk anywhere in the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's so much fun. | ||
| I remember talking to a fellow in Perth, Australia, which is very close to the Antipodes from my location. | ||
| And we were turning our beams synchronously and talking to each other as we were turning our beams east, west, and so forth, north and south. | ||
| And no matter which way we turned, as long as we both turned them the same, we could hear each other. | ||
| In other words, any course plotted across the world or around the world, actually. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Was working. | ||
| It was that good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, one more thing. | ||
| When I was down in Australia, I was visiting a fellow that was doing moon bounce up in Bircham. | ||
| Yeah, moon bounce is really cool. | ||
| In other words, you transmit, well, people need the know-wing. | ||
| They don't know what it is. | ||
| You transmit a signal toward the moon with a lot of power and an array, and then you know you hit the moon because, what is it, two and a half seconds, something like that? | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Two and a half seconds later, your signal comes back. | ||
| Right, it bounces back. | ||
| And this fellow was doing it on two meters, which is quite a feat. | ||
| Most of them are doing it up on much higher frequencies. | ||
| And he had a great big antenna array there aimed at that. | ||
| At any rate, when I visited him, I got on the air on 20 meters, which is the major long-distance band in the world, and talked to my home station. | ||
| And that was fun. | ||
| And we said, well, let's try it on 75 meters. | ||
| Well, now, working Australia on 75 meters is not easy. | ||
| It's quite a feat, yeah. | ||
| And we went down there, and I was coming through S9 on 75. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm talking about it. | ||
| What about a thrill? | ||
| Well, I'm lucky out here where I'm in the desert. | ||
| I can put up a big antenna and lots and lots of wire, so I do a lot of work there on 75. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I want to be careful not to get over people's heads, but ham radio really is a lot of fun. | ||
| Well, they can get the idea of how excited we are about it. | ||
| What is the... | ||
| What's the best path in for a young person now? | ||
| Well, of course, the no-code tech path is a good start because it's so easy. | ||
| You memorize a few questions and answers, and you've got a license, and you can get started. | ||
| But from there on, it's a question of using the hobby as a way to learn all of the interesting things there are to learn. | ||
| Let me be a board director from the ARRL for a moment. | ||
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Well, that's heresy. | |
| CW is important, always has been important, and it will continue. | ||
| It's been important for 100 years. | ||
| It will continue to keep the riffraff out of ham radio. | ||
| We must have CW. | ||
| This no-code business must go. | ||
| Right, and I'm all for having the riffraff in there. | ||
| In other words, you want company. | ||
| Well, I feel that the security of our bands, and amateurs are allocated billions and billions of dollars of frequencies. | ||
| And the security lies in our using them, not having a few fellows down there sending messages by Morse code at, you know, 10 or 15 words a minute, that we should be communicating at 5,000 words a minute with computers and modems that connect in by radio. | ||
| Yeah, by the way, why don't we have a geostationary satellite for hams yet? | ||
| Well, golly, we've got two dozen satellites up there. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| I want a geostationary satellite. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| They've got them pretty close to that. | ||
| They've got them that are circling around in a fixed path. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But I want a real one. | ||
| I mean, you and I both know it. | ||
| Wayne, do you have any idea? | ||
| You take the average television satellite. | ||
| If you were to devote the 24 C-band transponder bandwidth to HAMS and park it in a geostationary position, we could literally just say goodbye short wave. | ||
| Who needs it? | ||
| There would be so much bandwidth available for personal and instant communication. | ||
| And HAMS, well, I guess the reason they won't do it is because the phone companies won't let them I don't know no it is not that I talked with the owners of these satellites the commercial satellites and I said look you've got a bunch of channels that are sitting there not doing anything that you're keeping for emergency exactly how about donating one exactly and they said sure we'd be glad to and I wrote an editorial on that a couple of them saying yes they said yes they'd love to I was on the the | ||
| the long-range planning commission of the f_c_c_ yes and i got to see you know and all of these people personally that represented the satellites and uh... | ||
| they say you know no problem and i tried to get the a_r_l_ to do something about it this is an anathema to them this is uh... | ||
| really against their religion because it means again uh... | ||
| it's going to hurt morse code eventually the old guys will die out and something will start to happen right i don't know uh... | ||
| my attitude about the double or al frankly is mimics yours uh... | ||
| that folks is the amateur radio relay league which represents ostensibly they claim all hands are hands the biggest organization they are really that they're the biggest you know i have twelve percent of the hamsters members you know but they've done that they've done uh... | ||
| a lot of things that have incurred my higher over the years and i can't figure out why but there's a big ham fest coming up and the a_r_r_l_ invited me to be a keynote speaker and i thought of them they must not have listened to my show and that that that that that that that's why you're going to have a like you getting an invitation to address the board up there uh... | ||
| in newyton anyway listen i've got a lot of questions i want to ask you about one involves time travel uh... | ||
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uh... | |
| uh... | ||
| i had a really interesting guy on about a week ago named terence mckenna right and uh... | ||
| that eternally great question came up if time travel is possible where are all the time travelers right i think i have a reasonable answer to that well let me tell you what he said okay he said that they will be here and it will occur when time travel is invented from that moment on you will see many many time travelers but it will not be possible possible to travel back past the point where it was | ||
| invented uh... | ||
| what a good answer what's yours uh... | ||
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my answer is that uh... | |
| i think if you take a look at the sweep of development of uh... | ||
| technology as you say it is going up uh... | ||
| asymptotically uh... | ||
| it's ever increasing in its uh... | ||
| rapid growth uh... | ||
| and we take a look at what we've developed in the last fifty hundred five hundred thousand years and you see how fast things are going that eventually we're going to figure out how to travel in time that it just has to happen and i don't believe uh... | ||
| that uh... | ||
| we're going to be limited and there's some pretty good indications that we're not going to be limited on where we can go in time okay then where are they okay now let me explain uh... | ||
| one of the paradoxes of time travel is killing your grandfather right correct yes well now if you expand that concept anything that the time travelers do that changes uh... | ||
| civilization enough so that they're not going to be there in the future they're not going to do that well therefore we have this we have an explanation for these quote men in black that come in and take uh... | ||
| artifacts take pictures and things like that away from people uh... | ||
| who have pictures and uh... | ||
| experiences with u_f_o_s really so you think time travelers might be the men in black i think they may be cleaning up after themselves in order to get back where they came from well of course uh... | ||
| i suppose even with time travel and time travelers mistakes could be made and then you would have to imagine that they could go back and correct those or clean up those mistakes and that explains that phenomenon | ||
| also explains why we're seeing or can see pictures of UFOs in the cave paintings of 1720,000 years ago over in France why Alexander the Great described them in pretty good detail in his diaries and why we have all of these times down through history when the saucers have appeared Wayne I saw another one right did | ||
| Did you hear my description the other night? | ||
| Well, I did hear about the one that you saw. | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, you saw one recently. | ||
| Yeah, about two days ago. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it was really weird. | ||
| A military jet was traveling from the east, southeast, toward the west-northwest. | ||
| And it was laying down a big twin contrail. | ||
| And I thought it was interesting because I thought it might be some kind of launch. | ||
| It was gaining altitude at such a clip. | ||
| And I couldn't make out what was, you know, at the end of the contrail. | ||
| So I went in and got my binoculars. | ||
| And I looked at this thing. | ||
| And I could make out the fact that it was a military jet. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| So my wife said, but wait a minute. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| And looking back down the contrail, here's this silvery glowing disc following not in but next to the contrail. | ||
| And it followed it for a while. | ||
| And we stood there dumbfounded. | ||
| Then it stopped dead where it remained for about two minutes just sitting there glowing. | ||
| And then it took off to the south, but mostly up in altitude until it became a dot and then finally disappeared from human vision. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| My wife saw it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| I mean, I'm still in shock about that. | ||
| So, Wayne, there's something out there. | ||
| Well, I believe that we're not going to see any civilizations. | ||
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that makes the same model of a time travel machine uh for thousands of years all right holdside a sec we'll be right back you're listening to art bells somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks. | |
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| Guess who's here? | ||
| Wayne Green. | ||
| You're in for a real treat. | ||
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Stay put. | |
| I'm telling you. | ||
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I'm telling you. | |
| Back now to Wayne Green. | ||
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Wayne? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There are days, and I just thought about this when I was talking about Web TV. | ||
| There are days when I love my computers. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| I mean, it's actually a relationship. | ||
| It's very addictive, aren't they? | ||
| Well, no, it's more. | ||
| It's like love. | ||
| It's a relationship between a machine and man, and I love it. | ||
| And then there are other days when things go wrong. | ||
| Well, they can be extremely, well, almost as frustrating as a wife. | ||
| When I hate my computer. | ||
| I mean, it really is exactly that kind of a relationship. | ||
| I couldn't do without it. | ||
| Sometimes, though, I wonder what I'm doing with it. | ||
| And that brings up even the whole subject of technology, the march of technology and so forth. | ||
| We're cloning. | ||
| Wayne, we're getting ready to clone. | ||
| We're doing a lot of things that seem beyond our ability to manage ethically. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Well, of course, technology is way ahead of ethics and our emotional development. | ||
| And one of the things that I am very interested in is what we call consciousness. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| And I think this ties in with that. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| What is consciousness? | ||
| Well, of course, it's awareness of awareness is one definition of it. | ||
| But it goes far beyond that because we have the subconscious. | ||
| And I was just talking with a chap today who's got a course in how to speed read. | ||
| And I guess that's not really the word because he's got people using his technique which are doing two million words a minute. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't know if I believe that. | ||
| Well, I'm going to try it myself and we'll see. | ||
| He claims that anybody can learn to do this and you can just flip pages one after the other as fast as you can go and everything is in there and you get a very high degree of recollection of what you've had and so forth. | ||
| So we'll see how it works out. | ||
| There's enough people that are doing this so that, well, of course, I don't approach anything as a skeptic, nor as a believer. | ||
| I'm a pragmatist. | ||
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Okay, show me. | |
| That's good. | ||
| Show me. | ||
| I'm not going to say no. | ||
| You know, two, let's see, millions of words a minute, that means you could take a book the size of mine and you could go and be done. | ||
| Now, before I would be willing to be involved in that, I would go to the person making this claim, take a book I knew damn well they hadn't read, you've got a whole list of them, and I'd say, here, prove it. | ||
| And then I would test them. | ||
| And then if I got all the right answers, well, yeah, then I too might say, all right, let's get into this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Let's try it. | ||
| Well, you know, that's one of the problems that psychics have had. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And, you know, some of them can do awfully well, but they spend their whole life proving to one person after another that they can do it. | ||
| And it gets rather frustrating after a while. | ||
| And, of course, again, we have the subconscious. | ||
| We have things like reincarnation, past lives, out-of-body, near-death experiences, psychics, auras, Ouija boards, and psi, and so forth. | ||
| All of these things tie into consciousness. | ||
| And these are fields that you're not supposed to investigate these days, and you're ridiculed if you do. | ||
| But they need to be investigated. | ||
| Well, don't worry about ridicule. | ||
| I don't worry about it. | ||
| Look, how close, you're very much in touch with the computer world. | ||
| I had a fellow on named Charles Osman who was talking about nanotechnology. | ||
| And we got into the subject of the web, and he contended that he believes in the next few years we will begin to see sentient entities on the web. | ||
| hmm um um My pragmatism is strained. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| However, because, you know, as I say, we don't understand consciousness, but it does seem to be something that exists with living things. | ||
| Well, you remember when Kasparov got whooped by Big Blue here recently? | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| His comment was that for the first time in playing any computer he has ever played, he began to detect signs of real intelligence. | ||
| That's quite a statement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I know how closely you monitor computer development. | ||
| Is it possible? | ||
| When might it be possible? | ||
| I think it's going to be more and more possible as we develop the circuits to simulate intelligence. | ||
| But I don't think HAL 2000 is on the horizon yet. | ||
| Oh, well, aren't they beginning to play with the integration of biological elements to hardware? | ||
| Yes, and if you recall, that was one of the things that Damien Brinkley warned. | ||
| I do, as a matter of fact, recall that. | ||
| All right, let me bring back something else from the closet here. | ||
| Art Wayne Green spoke about a cold fusion home heating unit about a year ago. | ||
| He said then this unit would be on the market around the summer of 97. | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| Well, I, again, I am always hoping these things will happen. | ||
| And look, microcomputers, or personal computers as we call them, took a few years longer than I expected. | ||
| And this is taking longer. | ||
| Patterson down there in Sarasota, Florida is generating over 4,000 times more heat out than in. | ||
| Oh, big news in the cold fusion field is that the NASA Research Laboratory in Cleveland, Ohio, has confirmed the cold fusion excess heat effect. | ||
| And they investigated very thoroughly and have a long paper out saying that, yes, this is true, it works, and that we are absolutely foolish if we don't investigate this further as a major source of energy for the world. | ||
| Well? | ||
| And that's NASA laboratory. | ||
| I know that, what was it, Pons and Flashman had to take off to England to do their research, where they I think still are, somewhere over there anyway. | ||
| They had to go down. | ||
| Well, actually, Toyota came to them and said, look, we'll build you the laboratory of your dreams anywhere you want, where you want it. | ||
| And it's down on the Riviera. | ||
| Well, good taste. | ||
| Anyway, I hope they're enjoying themselves. | ||
| We, however, for some reason, and I still haven't quite put all this together, Wayne, here was the discovery. | ||
| And then some other institutions tried with varied success to duplicate it and couldn't. | ||
| And the whole thing got put down and absolutely destroyed from a PR point of view in this country. | ||
| Well, some institutions did confirm it, and the media would not report on that. | ||
| Other institutions, many of which had good reasons for not discovering it, were unable to discover it. | ||
| And one major institution did confirm it and then changed the data to show that it didn't work. | ||
| Oh, that's a very serious allegation. | ||
| Because they were getting millions of dollars for hot fusion research. | ||
| And, you know, just like our medical industry. | ||
| God, everything's money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| With the medical industry, another wonderful book I just got recently called Innocent Casualties, the FBA's War Against Humanity. | ||
| And marvelous book. | ||
| I'm only about three-quarters done with that. | ||
| But at any rate, the FBA, supporting the AMA and the NIH and all of the other letters, make sure that any inexpensive cure for an expensive illness is buried. | ||
| And this is a group of people that came up with a nutritional product, not a drug, a nutritional product that was curing AIDS. | ||
| Curing AIDS. | ||
| And doing it very thoroughly, and they did a very exhaustive test of it to prove it. | ||
| They turned all of that data over to the FDA, and the FDA just ignored everything and went through extreme measures to close them down. | ||
| You know, I hear these stories. | ||
| Well, this is very thoroughly documented in this book. | ||
| How did they document the fact that it was curing AIDS? | ||
| Oh, they had a test of 100 people, which was done with a research laboratory. | ||
| How can the FDA bury something that well documented? | ||
| Well, first of all, they held a press conference to talk about the results, invited all of the media. | ||
| They got two articles in the newspapers out of it, one of which quoted FDA people saying that this is no good and so forth. | ||
| The media totally ignored it. | ||
| And the media, and these people had written letters and did everything they could with their senators, their representatives, material to the head of the FDA, to the head of the National Institute of Health, the president, and so forth. | ||
| And they have copies of all these letters in the book there that they just went through extraordinary needs to try to get the word out. | ||
| And then the FDA came in and said, well, there's One thing in your mix here that we're not sure about, and although it is permitted in every other country, we've decided that you can't use that. | ||
| And they then raided their plant and took all of that, all of their product. | ||
| It implies such a gigantic, dark conspiracy. | ||
| Don't use it. | ||
| You said you're pragmatic. | ||
| A pragmatic person, at times at least, ought to have doubts about conspiracies of these sorts. | ||
| The carburetor that gets a million miles per gallon, the machine that cures AIDS, the nutritional supplement that cures AIDS, the free energy that we could have except the oil companies keep it down. | ||
| All of these things, a rational person, and I pragmatic, has got to doubt these constant sources of conspiracy theory. | ||
| I do, frankly, Wayne, for example, free energy. | ||
| You talked about Patterson, right? | ||
| I would accept even a toy, Wayne. | ||
| A toy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like the energizer bunny or something or another that keeps going after he ought to keep going. | ||
| Something that simply demonstrates over unity gain, even at the toy level. | ||
| Now, it's like saying, if there is time travel, where the hell are the time travelers? | ||
| If there is free energy, where the hell are the machines? | ||
| Well, getting back to the secrecy and to the cover-ups, having been involved in one of those personally, I know that the government is good at keeping secrets. | ||
| The Amelia Earhart case, and they're still covering that up after 60 years. | ||
| Well, as you know, another young lady just completed what Amelia had attempted. | ||
| Well, she didn't, because she didn't go over a truck and take pictures. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| But, I mean, she did circumnavigate the globe. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Well, that never was a problem. | ||
| The big, you know, that wasn't the reason for the trip. | ||
| The whole reason for the trip was to take pictures for FDR, for the Navy, of Truck Island, of the Japanese installations there, which they didn't know what was going on. | ||
| You're saying, in other words, she was spying. | ||
| She was a spy. | ||
| Is this one of those things that will be locked in a vault like the Kennedy information only to be dispensed to us after 50 years have gone by? | ||
| Well, 60 have gone by, and they still haven't released it. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| So I'm not sure if they're ever going to release that. | ||
| But, you know, just serendipitously, the mechanic who prepared her plane for that, installed the cameras and the higher power engines and the extra wing tanks, was a good friend of my father's. | ||
| And he came over to dinner before the flight and told us what was going on. | ||
| And so I knew about it before she left. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And he said, what? | ||
| That they installed stealth cameras of some sort to take pictures of Truck Island. | ||
| Truck Island. | ||
| And the idea was to fly from Leigh, New Guinea, up to Howland Island and with the higher power engines and the extra wing tanks, be able to go to Truck, take the pictures, and get to Howland the same time as she normally would have with her regular engines. | ||
| And you contend what, that she was shot down? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Because when I was in Maduro Island in the Marshalls seven years later, we had a submarine rest camp there, and I was on a submarine during the war. | ||
| And we came in there after a patrol run, and our crew talked to some of the natives there, and they explained about a woman who had crashed in the Marshalls seven years earlier with a manned navigator, and that the Japanese had come and taken her and the navigator and the plane to Saipan. | ||
| Well, this was in 1944. | ||
| All right, let's say that we are keeping this secret. | ||
| The implication clearly has to be that the Japanese are also holding this secret. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, what an embarrassment to have killed the most famous woman in the world. | ||
| Well, that's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So she was, what, then, executed as a spy by the Japanese? | ||
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| On Saipan. | ||
| How much real good hard proof of that is there? | ||
| Well, pretty good. | ||
| They have interviewed, well, a fellow named Fred Gorner really spent years researching this, with the Navy fighting him every inch of the way. | ||
| And, you know, for instance, he called an admiral that was involved with this, and the admiral said, sure, I'll be glad to tell you the story. | ||
| It's late enough now, so it's not a problem. | ||
| And so he went up to visit the fellow in Seattle. | ||
| And when he got there, the admiral said, see, I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| I never said anything like that. | ||
| I don't know anything about what this is all about. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| And I vacillate back and forth. | ||
| I think a pragmatic person has to take all of this with a grain of salt unless you can prove it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so I ask again, Wayne, where the hell are the little over-unity toys? | ||
| Something that would tell the world, here it is, it really works. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Where are they? | ||
| Well, give us another year. | ||
| I've talked with them about putting out a, what do we call it, a kit for kids to get their own cold fusion. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And they say, well, we've talked about that, but the problems are that if you let this run dry, it can explode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And therefore, we can't get the insurance and so forth to protect us against stupidity. | ||
| And I think the only People that have insurance against stupidity is the cigarette makers. | ||
| After the break coming up, I would like you to describe, if you would, how you can do, can you do that without legal liability? | ||
| How an experiment with cold fusion to prove it to yourself can be done? | ||
| Well, it's a little difficult because you need a calorimeter and you need a way to measure the temperature carefully inside your liquid and outside. | ||
| And if you can do that, and I think any kid should be able to do that, it isn't difficult to do if you get a hold of some nickel and preferably powdered nickel. | ||
| All right, well, hold that description, and we'll get into it when we get back. | ||
| Wayne Green is my guest, publisher of 73 Magazine, and generally considered to be a boil on the butt of the ARRL. | ||
| Inside stuff, I'm Art Bell. | ||
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| Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| I don't hear asking you to feel alone. | ||
| I don't hear asking you to feel alone. | ||
| I don't hear asking you to feel alone. | ||
| I don't hear asking you to feel alone. | ||
| When you first came my way I didn't know Thank you. | ||
| Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time. | ||
| Tonight's program originally aired May 28, 1997. | ||
| One thing I figured out is we're not going to go back where we came from. | ||
| And we're about to go on to whatever is next. | ||
| The subject of my book, and the only time you're going to hear about it tonight, I think, it's called The Quickening. | ||
| The first edition, the first printing, never get it right. | ||
| First printing of my book sold out in two weeks, and then I didn't have it for a month. | ||
| We finally got it again for immediate shipment. | ||
| You can get an autographed copy of The Quickening, and they tell me it's going very quickly now, hence not much advertising. | ||
| If you want a first edition, signed copy of The Quickening, pay close attention, because I may not mention it again tonight, and they're just, they're going fast again. | ||
| It's great in one way, and it's a drag in another. | ||
| So, and by the way, in the category, the continuing category of things quickening, the tornadoes just experienced near Austin are probably the worst I've ever seen. | ||
| I'm sure a lot of you have seen the photographs by now. | ||
| Many dead, many missing, most of the missing, unless there's a miracle, are presumed dead. | ||
| Our weather is worsening. | ||
| The National Weather Service now says to expect a horrendous hurricane season. | ||
| That's on the way. | ||
| The bad news, really, or the quickening news, if you will, just keeps coming. | ||
| There is a new staff infection that, and I'll read a little bit about this as we go on this morning with Wayne. | ||
| There is a new staph infection for which there is apparently no cure. | ||
| For the first time in all of history, they are now saying that they have one now that may be unstoppable. | ||
| It's a brand new strain that was discovered in a Japanese infant showing resistance for the first time against the very best antibiotic we've got, the one they use as an antibiotic of last resort. | ||
| This may be very bad news, folks, and it eats it alive. | ||
| So, there are samples on the way to the CDC in Atlanta right now, and they're going to take a look. | ||
| But it may be that in the race of antibiotics versus little things that will get us, the little things, which I try never to let bother me, may be winning at the moment or about to. | ||
| And that kind of winds into the other big story breaking this morning, and that is, scientists apparently have now discovered, a scientist, let's give him credit, that thousands of comet snowballs from outer space are pelting the Earth's atmosphere every single day, adding to the planet's water and delivering organic chemicals that may have been the original basis for life here. | ||
| The finding is a return from the scientific wilderness for Louis A. Frank. | ||
| Louis A. Frank, who was banished virtually. | ||
| A physicist at the University of Iowa who first proposed 11 years ago that space snowballs continuously strike the Earth. | ||
| His theory was denounced and dismissed at the time, but on Wednesday, his new studies muffled, good word, muffled criticism in a hall full of scientists at the American Geophysical Union Convention. | ||
| In other words, faced with apparently irrefutable evidence, there must have been a lot of going on out there. | ||
| Now, what you might bear in mind is that in addition to delivering water unto us, these constantly bombarding cosmic snowballs, some the size, they say, of houses, are also delivering new organic materials all the time. | ||
| So it might, if you believe this theory with regard to the beginning of life or the seeding of life on Earth, then you have to imagine what brought us here could take us away. | ||
| At any rate, these are subjects covered in my book, The Quickening. | ||
| And if you would like to peruse it, read it, have an autographed version, you should not wait. | ||
| should act now because I am afraid the second printing is not going to be around very much longer. | ||
| My guest is Wayne Green. | ||
| He is editor of 73 magazine. | ||
| He's been around for as long as dirt. | ||
| He's done everything in the world. | ||
| He is a fascinating guy. | ||
| And we're going to talk to him now about something that I want to warn you about. | ||
| We are going to tell you how to perform a cold fusion experiment at home. | ||
| But listen, there are dangers. | ||
| It should not be done without adult informed, what would be the right word, supervision, I suppose. | ||
| And you really should be part of it. | ||
| So having issued that warning, because there are dangers, which we will describe, Wayne says you can prove to yourself that cold fusion works, and he's about to describe a simple, relatively simple experiment to prove to yourself that it works. | ||
| Wayne, let's do it. | ||
| How do you prove, how do you at home, even though we're not supposed to tell people to try this kind of thing at home, how do you go about proving this? | ||
| Well, just taking the experiment that they did at the NASA Lewis Research Center group in Cleveland, they used nickel and they used potassium carbonate in light water. | ||
| That's regular water. | ||
| Well, distilled water. | ||
| Well, what do you mean nickel? | ||
| Like a nickel? | ||
| Could you use how much nickel? | ||
| A nickel. | ||
| Well, so where do you get nickel? | ||
| Golly, I'm not sure, but what you want to do is get some nickel powder if you can. | ||
| Nickel powder. | ||
| Although, there have been people that have just hung two nickels into a glass of water with some potassium carbonate in it and been able to measure excess heat. | ||
| Now, wait a minute. | ||
| You have to pass an electric current through it. | ||
| How much of one? | ||
| Well, not much. | ||
| They're running around a tenth of a watt of power through there. | ||
| At what voltage? | ||
| Probably around 20 volts. | ||
| Around 20 volts. | ||
| And you're running it from one nickel to the other through in a glass with potassium carbonate inside, huh? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you want to make sure not to have your copper wire that is connected to the nickels in the water because otherwise the copper starts coming out into the solution. | ||
| And I've got pictures here of people that have tried that and they get a nice blue solution. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| How do you get the nickel into the water? | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Then you would have to attach the copper wire at the edge of the nickel. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Or a little alligator clip will do it. | ||
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| Oh, that'd be a good idea. | ||
| All right, so you alligator clip on and hang. | ||
| Two nickels, one at each side, right? | ||
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| And put the voltage on it and have some way of stirring the water to keep it in motion. | ||
| And you put a thermometer in there and then another thermometer outside and you'll find that the amount of heat generated is more than the amount of energy that you're putting into the system. | ||
| It is a slow building process, right? | ||
| It doesn't take that long. | ||
| If you use powdered nickel, if you use a solid piece, yes, it can take days because it's a question of the amount of surface area that's involved. | ||
| I see. | ||
| And the hydrogen, see, nickel is a very porous material. | ||
| It's like a sponge. | ||
| And hydrogen is able to get into the nickel and start the reaction that is necessary. | ||
| In Japan, they don't call this cold fusion. | ||
| They call it new hydrogen energy. | ||
| And indeed, they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in research on this and way ahead of us in many ways. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What can we do with this? | ||
| Let's say the process works and then people can try it at home, prove it themselves. | ||
| How do we turn this into, I don't know, a home energy machine, something that powers an automobile, something that powers a city with electricity? | ||
| How do we convert this to practicality? | ||
| Well, we don't have any really efficient ways of turning heat into electricity yet other than driving a boiler and generating it the same way that they're doing with oil and coal. | ||
| But this is a more less costly way of doing it than with coal or oil and has no byproducts that are going to get into the atmosphere. | ||
| So it has no pollution effect. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it costs about estimated to cost about a tenth the cost of coal or Oil. | ||
| About a tenth. | ||
| When will the first model be built? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guessed a year ago that we'd have it by now, and we certainly should. | ||
| So I don't know how long that's going to take. | ||
| You know, when the first microcomputer came out, they said, well, how long before we have some practical units? | ||
| I said, gee, we ought to have them in a year. | ||
| Well, it took two and a half years. | ||
| Yeah, let's go back to computers for a second. | ||
| I was discussing my love-hate relationship with them, and part of my hate relationship is you buy a computer, I mean, 75 megahertz, 100 megahertz, boy, that was hot stuff for a while, right? | ||
| But then the next month's magazine, the first one's 1 megahertz, and that's right. | ||
| And you get another magazine, and now you can get 133 megahertz, and then the next magazine comes out, and oh my God, 200 megahertz, and now there's 233 megahertz. | ||
| Well, that means you don't have to wait so long after you push the key. | ||
| Well, I know that, but what I'm saying is... | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| But in other words, buy today and be outdated tomorrow. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's been that way right since the beginning. | ||
| But it's annoying me, Wayne, because I'm trying to keep up. | ||
| You know, the board you buy today for graphics is a piece of junk tomorrow. | ||
| The modem you buy today is a piece of junk tomorrow. | ||
| I could go on and on. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I have a barn full of old computers. | ||
| And it's like once... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And what do you do with the old boards? | ||
| I've got a stack mounting up here of old boards. | ||
| Well, I do have a suggestion. | ||
| Why not, instead of stacking them there, give them to a local school so the kids will have something to play with. | ||
| I've actually done some of that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it is just a personal dilemma. | ||
| And frankly, I wonder where it's going. | ||
| I mean, I think the top might be about 266 megahertz now for something IBM variety. | ||
| And where is it going? | ||
| Well, of course, they're developing some chips that are a lot faster than that. | ||
| And again, as with your quickening, our computers are quickening. | ||
| And they're going to keep on doing it. | ||
| Until what? | ||
| Until one day one of these things becomes self-aware. | ||
| Now, enough storage? | ||
| Enough speed? | ||
| I mean, what is the human mind but storage and speed? | ||
| But we don't know what awareness is yet. | ||
| We know that individual cells have awareness, but we don't understand it. | ||
| Do you hear the story about the 57-year-old lady who got the heart and lungs of a teenage boy, woke up with the cravings of that teenage boy? | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Even more than that, they don't tell you the name of a donor. | ||
| The woman went to sleep and dreamed the name of her donor. | ||
| I don't doubt it. | ||
| I'm going to interview her. | ||
| I'm trying to interview her. | ||
| Explain that one. | ||
| One of the books in my guide to books that you're absolutely crazy if you haven't read has to do exactly with that. | ||
| And let's see, that was called Secrets of Your Cells. | ||
| Okay, page three. | ||
| All right, so does that imply that our consciousness or even our soul or achieve, who knows what word to use, is contained in our entirety, in every cellular bit of what we are? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What they discovered in the secrets of your cells is that if you take some of the cells, say, from the roof of your mouth, and put it in a gelatin solution and put a voltmeter on it, or a voltmeter on it, and then you put another voltmeter on the person, those meters will go in synchronous, you know, be synchronous wherever that person is. | ||
| You're kidding. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You remember the Secret Life of Plants 20 years ago? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| With the work of Cleve Baxter? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, I called Cleve and I said, you know, this book is 20 years old. | ||
| What in the heck have you been doing lately? | ||
| And he says, well, you won't believe it. | ||
| And I said, well, try me. | ||
| He said, well, you want to call O'Leary and talk with him. | ||
| And you've had him on. | ||
| Brian O'Leary? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yes, of course. | ||
| So I called Brian and talked with him. | ||
| And he said, yeah, let me send you a copy of this secret, you know, The Secret Life of Your Cells. | ||
| And this work that we've been doing is fabulous. | ||
| And as I say, they found that the cells somehow are in communication with each other. | ||
| And of course, I pointed out in my editorial in 73 magazine that this helps explain why twins have so much in common even though they've been raised separately and they'll have wives and children of the same name and so forth. | ||
| And because there is a communication there on a level of which they're not consciously aware. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this explains why so many transplant people do have that experience and why even blood people, you know, people with blood transfusion run into the same phenomenon. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So it's almost something to think about. | ||
| I've reviewed this on page three of my little guide. | ||
| Another thing... | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| Let me ask you about the ethical moral side of it. | ||
| We were talking the other night, a really interesting discussion, about a horrible thing, the rendering of domestic pets for pet food. | ||
| And it's horribly true. | ||
| But somebody called up and said, you know, then, isn't transplantation of hearts, lungs, whatever, isn't that in almost the same way a form of cannibalism? | ||
| Well, is it? | ||
| Is that a thinking moment? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| I mean, it's a very hard question, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, in a way, if cannibalism is wrong, and I clearly believe it is. | ||
| Why is it wrong? | ||
| Well, look at mad cow disease, Wayne. | ||
| That result of cannibalism, in other words, feeding cows to cows. | ||
| If that's wrong, and again, I say I believe it is based on that, that it's kind of like incest. | ||
| It's something we know is wrong. | ||
| It produces deformities and seems unnatural. | ||
| And I'm not up on my high horse here. | ||
| I'm just intellectually trying to consider this. | ||
| Then transplantation is actually or maybe in the same category. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm just saying I'm thinking it over. | ||
| Well, certainly cannibalism is a bad thing if the person you're eating has been sick. | ||
| Are you implying here that cannibalism is okay as long as it's been a mensa member or something? | ||
| Not a smoking mensa member. | ||
| I see. | ||
| In that case, I'm safe. | ||
| I'll keep my parts. | ||
| I'm still smoking. | ||
| One of the things that you mentioned earlier had to do with the diseases coming from space. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| As a matter of fact, let's get back on that, the snowball business. | ||
| I love it when scientists say, no, this is ridiculous and they ruin somebody's career. | ||
| And then they're forced later to come back and say, uh-oh, looks like we were wrong. | ||
| Stay right there. | ||
| Wayne Green is my guest. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
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| Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
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| 28, 1997. | ||
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| You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks. | ||
| Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| This may be breaking news. | ||
| I need confirmation of it. | ||
| But let me read you what I've got from James listening in Ridgecrest, California. | ||
| All right, I'm surprised that you did not mention the flash. | ||
| At the top of the hour news, they covered the flash occurred, some kind of flash, in a lab at Los Alamos. | ||
| Government says that radioactivity localized to a small spot on the floor of a lab there. | ||
| What do you make of that? | ||
| Well, I don't. | ||
| Number one, I don't know it is so. | ||
| I would appreciate anybody filling me in. | ||
| Fascinating stuff. | ||
| I wonder what has happened at Los Alamos. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Anyway, thank you very much, James. | ||
| And that is facts from a listener, not a news item, until I know otherwise. | ||
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| Once again, a scientist who had nearly had his career ruined because of what he said he thought was occurring is now being heralded as a scientific hero from obscurity to sudden fame because he now has been proven right. | ||
| The Earth is being hit by snowballs, some as big as houses, thousands of them every day, every day. | ||
| As a matter of fact, they say the objects deliver enough moisture to Earth to get this, to cover the entire planetary surface with one inch of water every 10,000 to 20,000 years. | ||
| Anybody out there see the movie Water World? | ||
| So not only are these big old snowballs delivering water, but they're delivering organic matter as well, aren't they, Wayne? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Two of the books that are in my guide to books that you're crazy if you don't read, number one, and a very brief resume here, Diseases from Space by Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wick Ramasingh. | ||
| Now, Hoyle is one of the leading astronomers in the world. | ||
| And in 1979, he wrote this book. | ||
| And it says here, this book, by two of the world's leading astronomers, doesn't leave much wiggle room for skeptics of their proposition that many of our epidemics are arriving from space. | ||
| You'll learn a lot from this book, and it'll get you set up for the next one, which is even more challenging, and that's Evolution from Space, 1981. | ||
| Now, we're talking 1981, and that's what, 16 years ago. | ||
| Hoyle, like Lerner, makes an excellent case for the universe being much, much older than the Big Bang adherents, and for life to have originated who knows how long ago. | ||
| This book is marvelously detailed with facts which back up the concept of life arriving from space, and the cases made from a number of different approaches. | ||
| A fabulous book. | ||
| What about Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it depends on which religion you, you know, which old book you prefer. | ||
| You've discussed your feelings on religion, and I concur with you. | ||
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| Yeah, my feelings about religion are very simple. | ||
| I really don't care to crush or try to crush anybody's faith, and I don't do that. | ||
| And I feel that evolution and the concept of a creator can well go hand in hand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, prayer works, and so that's a given. | ||
| We don't know why it works, but we know it works. | ||
| Pardon me, in my guide to books here, quite a number have to do with health, many have to do with education, and even some have to do with making money. | ||
| And that's one of the things that I think your listeners would be really interested in, is learning more about how to be healthy and wealthy and maybe even wise. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| All right. | ||
| You've been a millionaire, haven't you? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You're not a millionaire. | ||
| Been there, done that. | ||
| You're not a millionaire now. | ||
| No. | ||
| So you've written books on how to make money. | ||
| I guess you were a millionaire. | ||
| That qualifies you on how to make money. | ||
| How'd you lose it? | ||
| Oh, I lost it mostly by being careless with it and giving it to people to start businesses and not supervising them. | ||
| So you could write a book on how to lose money, too. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Trusting people is one good way to lose a lot of money. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| And that's how I've lost most of the money that I've lost. | ||
| But anytime I want to make it, it's just no problem to make it. | ||
| And indeed, I explain the secret of that in my little booklet on making money, A Beginner's Guide. | ||
| And one of the things, I'm working on a booklet now on how to get your dream job from 17 to 70, any age, no matter what's your background or education, and so forth. | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| Well, first of all, you have to define, now, what is a dream job? | ||
| The one you want is a dream job. | ||
| The one that is fun, that really doesn't seem like work. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's the one I've got. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And me too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So how do you say it can be done? | ||
| All right. | ||
| What I do is explain, look, find out some field that is so much fun to you that it doesn't seem like work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And find an entrepreneur in that field with a small company and go in there and say, look, you have a bunch of things that need to be done that nobody's doing. | ||
| I will do them. | ||
| And if I don't know how to do them, I'll learn. | ||
| And you have a job right then and there. | ||
| I don't care whether you're 17 years old or 70. | ||
| You've got a job. | ||
| Because that fellow has a bunch of things that he needs done and he has nobody to do them. | ||
| And then what you do is learn the fundamentals of entrepreneurialism on his money. | ||
| OPM, it's called, other people's money. | ||
| And you learn about advertising, you learn about marketing, you learn about purchasing. | ||
| So in other words, you try to meet somebody like Wayne Green and have him give you money. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And if anybody walked in here and said, look, I'll do anything you want, and if I don't know how to do it, I'll learn. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's got a job. | ||
| I don't think I've ever had an employee like that. | ||
| I have tried real hard, and I've had a couple thousand employees down through the years, and I have tried everything that I know to motivate them and say, look, collie, if you'll read some books on how to sell, just think how much better you'll be able to sell advertising or be able to sell this product. | ||
| And I can't get them to do it. | ||
| I go to conferences and make tape recordings of people that are telling how to do these various things, how to sell, how to get subscriptions and so forth. | ||
| And I say, I have all these tapes. | ||
| Here, listen to the tapes. | ||
| I can't get them to listen to the tapes. | ||
| One other thing I found out is that regarding motivation, money is not really an answer to that. | ||
| In other words, if you have an employee and you give them a substantial raise, there will be a short spike in their productivity, and it will fall right back down very shortly to the same level it was at before. | ||
| This applies to every person that's listening right now. | ||
| And the last time I was on, I got an awful lot of response. | ||
| You know, really amazing. | ||
| But I just did a survey to find out, and I found out that 88% of those people never went to step two. | ||
| In other words, I sent them a list of the booklets that I have. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I never heard from them again. | ||
| They don't have the motivation. | ||
| They don't take the initiative to do things to help themselves. | ||
| Well, now, your figures might be skewed because it may be they didn't feel a need to communicate with you. | ||
| In other words, maybe they obtained the books, read them, and got some good. | ||
| No, no, all I sent them was a list, or I should say, a list of the books that I have available, explaining about the one about making money. | ||
| Sure, but you might not be the only source of those books. | ||
| Oh, I am. | ||
| You are? | ||
| I have never, you know, I've read thousands of books, and I've never seen anybody give away the secret of how to make money before. | ||
| Never. | ||
| And you would be hard put to find any other book on the bioelectrifier other than reading the articles either in 73, and we had one in this May issue, by the way, and one last May, and the results coming in from that are stupendous. | ||
| Okay, let's talk about the bioelectrifier for a moment. | ||
| The bioelectrifier, among Other things, it is said, can eliminate detectable AIDS virus from the body. | ||
| Yes? | ||
| Right? | ||
| It seems to be able to take care of any virus, any parasite, any microbe, yeast, or fungus. | ||
| It's in the blood. | ||
| And this was discovered by the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. | ||
| And they patented it, and now they're keeping it a secret and not letting out the word on it. | ||
| In their patent, they show how they take the blood out of the body, pass a small electric current through it, very small, and then put it back in the body. | ||
| And Dr. Bob Beck, who is a pretty well-known physicist, said, well, you know, why take the blood out of the body when it's coursing through your arteries all the time? | ||
| Let's just put a couple of electrodes on each end of the arteries here and pass the current through the blood while it's in the body. | ||
| So he tried it, and the results were astounding. | ||
| And he's done a number of very thoroughly authenticated laboratory tests showing that this rebuilds the T cells and gets people out of AIDS and almost any other virus that's in the blood. | ||
| I don't know of any, you know, you've got this new virus that's coming along? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'd try the bioelectrifier immediately. | ||
| The Ebola, let's put the bioelectrifier on it. | ||
| Well, so I have a booklet that explains all its history and gives you a panel where we're building it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I want a little information. | ||
| Now, at least, when was the first time you and I did a program? | ||
| It's got to have been a year and a half or so. | ||
| Oh, about that, yeah. | ||
| We talked then about the bioelectrifier, and I should imagine that because of this program, what you've done in 73 and so forth and so on, that an awful lot of people with AIDS and other maladies have tried the bioelectrifier. | ||
| What are the results? | ||
| The results that I've heard and that I've seen have been absolutely, I have not heard of any failure yet. | ||
| Let's put it that way. | ||
| I've heard of a lot of successes and I've heard of no failures. | ||
| Successes meaning people. | ||
| Meaning they are back to full health again. | ||
| With T cells rebuilt. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Bob Beck sent me one. | ||
| I've got it here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I thought, you know, I'm going to give this a shot. | ||
| What the hell? | ||
| Who knows what's running? | ||
| None of us really know what's running around in our system. | ||
| Try, give it a shot. | ||
| And so I did something I normally don't do. | ||
| I actually read the instructions before I tried it. | ||
| And I noticed in the instructions that there was a whole list of things that you had to do. | ||
| You had to quit smoking. | ||
| You had to quit drinking. | ||
| You had to quit any drugs. | ||
| By golly, I was afraid to stop putting poison in your body. | ||
| You had to drink zillions of glasses of water every day. | ||
| You had to be on a certain diet and eliminate all kinds of things from your diet. | ||
| If you were to do all these things, you're going to be healthy as a horse. | ||
| Well, and there is a lot to that. | ||
| A number of the books in my guide had to do with that, like the one on water, Your Body's Many Cries for Water, by Batman Geldi and so forth. | ||
| And I just got a recent book here on blood types, and it shows that for each different blood type, you should have a different type of food that you eat because you have come up over thousands of years from people that were eating that kind of food. | ||
| And they've been curing AIDS just by changing the diet. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, I mean, it is fair to ask, Wayne, if a person were to do everything short of the bioelectrifier, if they might not come up with the same results. | ||
| Well, I have been trying to get hospitals to do some research on this. | ||
| As a matter of fact, there's a ham who is the head of research of a hospital up in Canada, one of the big hospitals. | ||
| You know, really, I'm talking gigantic. | ||
| And it's a research hospital. | ||
| And I can't get them to do it. | ||
| I've given him all of the information, and I just, you know, and he visited me here, and I talked it all over with him, and I can't get any action out of them. | ||
| And I think it has a lot to do with the pressure from the medical industry. | ||
| And as I often say, their worst nightmare is an inexpensive cure for illnesses. | ||
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| Now, that does make sense, but it becomes the answer for everything that ought to be here and isn't here. | ||
| That the oil industry or the medical industry or whoever are selling all this stuff. | ||
| You don't think all these people are crooked, do you? | ||
| You don't think that the tobacco industry is crooked? | ||
| Look, I've become properly cynical, but you know something? | ||
| There was a 120-year-old lady. | ||
| As a matter of fact, she's still around. | ||
| She's still alive. | ||
| 120? | ||
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| She quit smoking at 118, right? | ||
| 118. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying that cigarettes are good because we all know they're probably not. | ||
| But I think that there is no clean, easy answer, and there's lots of people who smoke all their lives and die of something totally unrelated. | ||
| And run over by a truck. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And I also suspect that a lot of, you know, what is it? | ||
| They say now almost 400,000 people die a year from smoking related illness. | ||
| Well, we have 800,000 people dying in hospitals of hospital contacted illnesses. | ||
| Yeah, so we're not saying anything about that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly right. | ||
| And that brings me to colloidal silver. | ||
| This must be my night to be skeptical of things, but you know, we talked briefly before the program. | ||
| I decided, man, I'm going to give this a try. | ||
| I'm a sucker for these things. | ||
| And so I took high quality, high quantities of colloidal silver for a month before I went on vacation to Mexico. | ||
| And by the way, I'm not blaming Mexico. | ||
| let's blame Mexico. | ||
| No, I'm blaming the airplane. | ||
| While I was in Mexico, I continued, we took our supply of colloidal silver and we took it there and then continued to take it for two days after we got home until we both came down with one of the worst cases of the flu that we've ever had, which I'm sure I contracted on the airplane. | ||
| And I thought colloidal silver kills all viruses my butt. | ||
| But you didn't use Bob Beck's bioelectrifier. | ||
| Oh, geez. | ||
| So in other words, I should have been taking the colloidal silver, had the electrifier on me, and... | ||
| Well, silver-smilver, you should certainly use the electrifier when you got something like that zipping through the blood. | ||
| Well. | ||
| Come on, you've got the unit there. | ||
| But I know. | ||
| And it is small enough to fit in a shirt pocket. | ||
| But you have a big pocket. | ||
| It discouraged me, though, because the claim that people, the colloidal silver people claim, they claim, Wayne, that it kills all viruses. | ||
| Well, I don't know what other damage you're doing to your body. | ||
| Oh, a fair amount. | ||
| Do you have mercury fillings? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I had a talk with my dentist about that. | ||
| She said the anti-mercury people are full of it. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And they have to say that. | ||
| Read the book. | ||
| My goodness gracious. | ||
| It's in my guide, and it's called It's All in Your Head. | ||
| And it is very thoroughly documented. | ||
| But they have to say that, otherwise the dental industry would be sued incredibly. | ||
| Because we've got so many documented cases of people with multiple sclerosis that when you remove the amalgam fillings within a few weeks, they're up and running. | ||
| By the way, as we head into the, we're going to go to the phones here shortly, folks. | ||
| In fact, after the hour here. | ||
| W60BB, I feel that to keep AMRadio a viable resource that everyone can depend on in the event of emergencies and or other public service, we need to keep our standards high, and that's in bold print, which means to, and then he challenges me and spells out, keep the code spelled out in CW. | ||
| That's a friend of yours, huh? | ||
| Hold on, Wayne. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
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You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time. | |
| Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Music by Ben Thede | ||
| You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| My guest is Wayne Green, who has seen and done just about everything. | ||
| And we're going to get the phone lines open shortly. | ||
| The End Wayne Green is my guest, and this just came in, Wayne, and I'll just read it. | ||
| It's from Alexander. | ||
| It says, dear art, Wayne is quite correct. | ||
| The bioelectrifier does work superbly. | ||
| I've been building them for the last three years. | ||
| You need one to survive, regards Alexander. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| But I must say, and I will say, that I have not received one negative comment yet from anybody about this bioelectrifier way. | ||
| And I really haven't. | ||
| Not one. | ||
| Nor have I. And they've all been positive. | ||
| And so that is, and I've been promoting this with articles in 73 magazine on how to build it, because it's very simple to build. | ||
| Well, what I want to understand is how and why can electric current, voltage and current, pass through the bloodstream at an artery? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, the current passes through not an artery. | ||
| The current. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
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How can it be done? | |
| No, let me finish. | ||
| How can it kill the bad guys, the viruses, without killing anything that is good? | ||
| I have a feeling that you probably want to do the same thing I do, and that is keep a lot of good food coming into your body to rebuild anything that gets hurt in the process. | ||
| But I have not heard of any bad effects yet from this, from anybody. | ||
| And my gosh, after publishing two articles, and we have about 100,000 readers with 73. | ||
| Still, though, if anything bad was happening, I think I'd hear about it. | ||
| i think you want to but it's it's still anecdotal uh... | ||
| and again But just as the laboratories have, you know, other than this NASA one that I just mentioned, have refused to test cold fusion. | ||
| Glad you mentioned that because listen to this. | ||
| Now, react to this and tell me if it's true or not. | ||
| Art. | ||
| The sixth international cold fusion conference held in Japan, well supported by Japanese organizations, failed at three advanced experiments carried out. | ||
| All gave no indications of cold fusion. | ||
| Japanese government funding for cold fusion is now being wound down. | ||
| Despite this summary, speakers gave encouragement to cold fusion. | ||
| But the fact is, he says they're now winding the funding for this down in Japan. | ||
| I have no reports of winding down. | ||
| Indeed, I'm getting more and more papers from Japan for my Cold Fusion journal. | ||
| And they are leading the world in their development of the theory of why this is happening. | ||
| So you have not heard about these. | ||
| I have not heard of any cutting back of funds in Japan, no. | ||
| What about the sixth international conference and the failures there? | ||
| Have you heard of that? | ||
| No, I have not heard of the failures. | ||
| They have not been reported. | ||
| I have heard, of course, pardon me, that Patterson was there with Dennis Cravens demonstrating their cell, as they have demonstrated at conferences here in the United States, showing that it is generating about 1,000 times more heat out than the energy going into it, and up to 4,000 times now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| First time caller line. | ||
| Wait a minute, one more thing. | ||
| You hit me right at the end with the most code thing. | ||
| And I just wanted to make an observation on it. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| This is the ham version of a religious fundamentalist. | ||
| You don't argue with them. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| And there are a lot of things that I'm concerned with regard to ham radio anyway. | ||
| I've got iPhone here. | ||
| We talked about it last time. | ||
| And Wayne, I'm afraid that for the coming generation, ham radio may be on the way out. | ||
| I don't like being a naysayer, but God, Wayne, I can sit here, in fact, in the seat I'm in right now, go up on one of the iPhone servers, and I can talk to somebody in any country you can name, and a lot that you can't contact on short wave, considering the state of the bands right now. | ||
| Not only can I talk to them, but I can see them in full living color while I talk to them. | ||
| Now, what's that going to do to ham radio? | ||
| Well, it certainly is going to provide an alternate for youngsters. | ||
| But again, there, the youngsters are not learning about technology. | ||
| They're just using it as a toy. | ||
| And with amateur radio, we have the ability to learn, use that as a means for learning about digital communications and the things that are important in the next century. | ||
| In other words, you're pitting something, a learning process, even a painful learning process, particularly when they include the code. | ||
| And technology is a lot of different things. | ||
| I've been trying to get rid of the code for a couple generations now. | ||
| So that you can sit down in front of a ham rig and try to scratch out a barely sometimes discernible signal from the other side of the world, as opposed to going over to a computer where you don't have to learn anything and talking to somebody in fully quieted, seemingly fully quieted FM audio and beautiful color video in Sri Lanka. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's a pretty rough contest. | ||
| Which way do you think it's going to go, Wayne? | ||
| Well, one of the things that you've made as a given is that we're not going to have any advance in technology in amateur radio. | ||
| And I don't accept that. | ||
| I believe that as we develop our satellites, that we will have the instant communication anywhere with any amateur that you want without interference. | ||
| Fine, I'm going to take the other side, and I'm going to say when people like me die, I'm going to be soon 52 years old. | ||
| I've been a ham all my life, and I love it with every part of my being, Wayne. | ||
| But I think when people about my age and a little younger die, that's about it for ham radio. | ||
| Well, I think you're right. | ||
| I have been pushing the ARRL for several, for quite a few years, to advertise and promote the hobby, and it is virtually unknown. | ||
| I give talks to college students all the time. | ||
| I've lectured at Yale and Boston University and Case Western and so forth. | ||
| And whenever I do that, I ask, how many of you people are familiar with amateur radio? | ||
| And two or three hands will go up. | ||
| And I'll say, well, it's something like CB, isn't it? | ||
| I've never heard of it. | ||
| Well, the detractors of the no code thing will say if Wayne gets his way, it will be like CB. | ||
| And frankly, Wayne, when you listen to the bands these days, there is a certain deterioration going on. | ||
| Well, now, Art, how much CB operation have you done? | ||
| I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it would probably incriminate me because I've gone up there in years past and tortured them a little. | ||
| I have been on CB in most of the large cities in the country. | ||
| I used to take a CB rig with me wherever I went. | ||
| And I have not run into the bad things that people tell about CB. | ||
| I've had a few tapes from people about it, but I found CB, I made some wonderful contacts with people. | ||
| I found the people more helpful often than hams. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And so I don't have a bad taste with CB, and I used it a lot. | ||
| I've got a CB rig. | ||
| Sitting right here, Cobra. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sitting right here. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| We need to have 5 or 8 million hams. | ||
| After all, there's like 3 million hams in Japan now. | ||
| But we have about 500 or 600,000. | ||
| Wayne, come out to Los Angeles, listen to what's going on on the two-meter ham repeaters. | ||
| Well, just a couple of them. | ||
| It's embarrassing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I've been out there. | ||
| I've heard it. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| In CB, in all of history, we've had two people that were arrested, tried, convicted, and put in prison for bad language. | ||
| Both of them were extra-class hands. | ||
| Well, figures. | ||
| All right, look, we're going to take a few calls here, and we'll do other things. | ||
| First time call our line, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, thank you for taking my call. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm Dave, and I'm here in Honolulu. | |
| I'm one of the foremost computer consultants here in the state. | ||
| All right. | ||
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And I commend you for a couple of reasons. | |
| Number one, collodial silver, I agree with your feelings on that. | ||
| And secondly, I certainly agree that the internet is taking over with iPhone, CUCME, and other products like that. | ||
| I got rid of my Yesu FT-101B, I guess it was called, and dipole antenna I had up on the cliff line at my house. | ||
| No, not me, man. | ||
| I'm going to die with it. | ||
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And, you know, Wayne published the Build the Bioelectrifier article written by Thomas Miller in 73 back last May. | |
| And so I called Tom Miller. | ||
| He was a very nice guy out there. | ||
| He was in Richmond, Indiana, I believe it is. | ||
| And probably in May or June. | ||
| And I built four of the bioelectrifiers. | ||
| And I had some people that knew people that had AIDS and gave them out and gave them a trial. | ||
| And didn't kill them, didn't do anything for them. | ||
| I've tried one myself for about six months. | ||
| And I've got the Bob Beck stuff, too, just like you have, Art, where you've got to quit smoking, you've got to get on this fantastic diet and all these things. | ||
| What? | ||
| Fantastic diet. | ||
| Come on. | ||
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It's not a fantastic diet. | |
| It's really watching the way you eat. | ||
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But I'm just saying, Wayne, and I'm not mad at you. | |
| I think you're a good, kind man and all that. | ||
| But I'm just saying, from my experience, and in my opinion, and I'm an electronics nerd, and I custom build computers here. | ||
| the bioelectrifier doesn't do anything. | ||
| And the other thing that I have to Yes, sir. | ||
| Over a year. | ||
| In fact, I've got one out right now tonight that someone's been using for several months. | ||
| And he's, you know, soaking it in salt water, and you've got them both on the ulnar veins, you know, going into your wrist. | ||
| And nothing's happening to us, in other words. | ||
| I tried it myself, and I'm 50 years old, you know. | ||
| Well, I tried it, but I didn't have anything wrong. | ||
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I didn't either. | |
| And I didn't change my diet. | ||
| I didn't happen to me either. | ||
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Well, I didn't either. | |
| But one other thing, if you wouldn't mind, please. | ||
| Wayne, you may or may not remember me, but I wrote you some nice letters, and I picked up your making money and your Wayne's booklets and tapes magazine and books you're crazy if you don't read and all that. | ||
| And here's another little criticism. | ||
| I'm not trying to be mean to you or anything. | ||
| Starting with, you don't put staples in your booklets, and so they all fly apart here in the trade winds. | ||
| I may have mentioned that to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Secondly, is that making money, for example. | ||
| I mean, I've read the hundreds of making money books. | ||
| I mean, we all like to read those kinds of things. | ||
| But you just, it's more of an autobiography. | ||
| And, you know, you're telling someone finally to get a PowerBook of old Macintosh and to write newsletters, you know. | ||
| And that's one approach, right? | ||
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Yeah, that's one approach. | |
| In other words, you're not really giving any meat. | ||
| It's more of an autobiography, and you wade through all this, and you don't get any points. | ||
| Well, apparently you missed the point. | ||
| I guess I'll have to go through and emphasize that. | ||
| The point is that to be an entrepreneur and to have your own business and stop working for other people, stop having to commute to work, that's crazy if you do that for more than a couple of years while you're learning to run your own business. | ||
| And these people that are commuting to work, they aren't thinking. | ||
| I am convinced, Wayne, that if you pursue almost with obsession what you want, that you will succeed. | ||
| If you do not start out in the pursuit of money, but you simply pursue, and I mean this obsessively, I'm a very obsessive person, and I go after something like a laser beam, that you will succeed. | ||
| There's no magic there. | ||
| I mean, in whatever field of endeavor, if you become obsessive about it, you will succeed or die. | ||
| Well, as we mentioned a couple of hours ago, if you go to work for somebody and make it your business to learn everything you can on their money, you gear yourself up to run your own business. | ||
| And by then, you'll know what products or services are needed so that you can get started. | ||
| And this is the way to freedom. | ||
| This is the way to make lots of money and to have fun doing it. | ||
| And that's what I explained in my booklet. | ||
| I'm going to, if I can find it, drag out the little book from the electrifier that comes with the electrifier. | ||
| And as I told you also before we went on the air, I thought I'd give it a try. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so I did something very unusual for me because I usually get a new piece of equipment, and only after hours of not being able to make it work right do I resort to reading the instructions. | ||
| And so I thought I'd read the instructions, and I did. | ||
| And it has this list of things, and I'll read it, that you've got to do before you begin using the bioelectrifier. | ||
| And it is my contention that if you do all those things, you likely are going to become very, very healthy. | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| if you drink eight glasses of distilled water a day that is going to help a lot if you stop smoking if you stop putting poisons into your system it's going to help and uh indeed in my guide to books i i cover most of the poisons that we put into our system uh And, you know, like fluorides in your water and chlorine in your water. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also, as we mentioned before, putting mercury into your system from amalgam in your teeth, putting poisons into your system from root canals. | ||
| And there's a wonderful book on that by Meinig. | ||
| And very, very well-researched and so forth. | ||
| And immunization shots are terrible poisons that we put into the system, and there is no conclusive evidence that they work. | ||
| And there's several good books on that. | ||
| Somebody said that to me not long ago, and I said, okay, what about polio? | ||
| And if you read the books in my guide here, you'll find that there are more cases of polio that have come from the shots than from anything else. | ||
| Well, does that jive with the number of polio cases we had before the vaccine versus today's count? | ||
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| It does? | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| I didn't think that was so. | ||
| Eastern Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
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| Hi, Art and Mr. Green. | ||
| This is Andy in Oklahoma City. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Well, one concrete, one esoteric thing I want to get your guest comments on real quick. | ||
| All right, go ahead. | ||
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One, I'm a musician. | |
| There's not a lot of musical entrepreneurs. | ||
| I wondered what Mr. Green might suggest for that, except for maybe writing obsessively until I die and then make a lot of other people rich. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Well, the music industry is extremely corrupt. | ||
| And having published a couple of the major magazines in the field, I'm very familiar with it. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| So then how in this corrupt industry does he succeed? | ||
| That's the concrete question. | ||
| I don't know any way for him to succeed. | ||
| That's your answer, Colin. | ||
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Well, I am pursuing it in college in that way, so there are certain opportunities. | |
| Forbes magazine published an article, a very well-researched article, showing that less than 2% of the artists on the major labels ever make a nickel of royalties. | ||
| All right, you better ask your esoteric question. | ||
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All right, all right. | |
| Well, he might have to try and get after it in the beginning of the next hour if he thinks it's good enough. | ||
| It's about any research and information he may have about quantum physics and the way he briefly mentioned how consciousness interacts with reality because I believe we're making this. | ||
| We have a lot more control than we think we do. | ||
| And I just wanted to hear what he thought about that and research into quantum physics. | ||
| All right, quantum physics. | ||
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We make it up as we go along. | |
| All right, quantum physics. | ||
| Make it up as we go along when we come back. | ||
| Bottom of the hour, I'm Art Bell, 73 Magazine. | ||
| Wayne Green is my guest. | ||
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We'll be right back. | |
| You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks. | ||
| Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Coast to Coast AM from May | ||
| 28, 1997. | ||
| Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight's program originally aired May 28, 1997. | ||
| My guest is Wayne Green. | ||
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He's really an interesting guy and we're going to get back to him in a moment. | |
| Even though I'm about to say something that may seem negative, I must admit, regarding this bioelectrifier, I've had nothing but faxes, an email like the one I'm going to read just came through. | ||
| Art, thanks for having Wayne Green on about two years ago. | ||
| At that time, I bought a bioelectrifier. | ||
| I used to get sick two or three times a year, was laid up in bed for a couple of weeks at a time. | ||
| Since I've begun using it, I've had only one very small cold that lasted for three days, and I did not need to be in bed resting. | ||
| I took the little black box over to a friend. | ||
| Her daughter has a disease called metrochromatic leucostrophy. | ||
| God, I have no idea what that is. | ||
| She's been in bed for 10 years, unable to move. | ||
| After using the bioelectrifier for one hour per day for 21 days, she began moving her right leg and arm. | ||
| We're going to use the electrifier again for two hours per day to see what occurs. | ||
| I've told other people about it, and they just don't pay attention and have no desire to even try it. | ||
| What the hell is wrong with them? | ||
| God bless Wayne Green and you for having him on your program, Larry in Portland. | ||
| And that really is typical of what I get, Wayne. | ||
| However. | ||
| And what I get. | ||
| And what you get. | ||
| So, you know, maybe there is something to it. | ||
| But right on the, I went and got it during the break. | ||
| I've got the manual here that comes with it. | ||
| And in addition to ingesting about eight glasses of water, you must distilled water. | ||
| You must also, now listen here, stay off all forms of medication. | ||
| wait a minute, let me finish. | ||
| Medication, drugs, herbs, caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, garlic, painkillers, vitamins, etc. | ||
| While on this program, right? | ||
| Now, if you do all of that, and in addition to the other things you say you should be doing, you're going to be healthy or you're going to be in an insane asylum. | ||
| He forgot to mention cutting out sugar and white flour. | ||
| Sugar and white flour. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| You've got to cut out sugar and white flour too. | ||
| And probably go down and have all your amalgam fillings pulled. | ||
| Well, absolutely. | ||
| Of course, if you want to poison your body and force the immune system to be weakened, okay. | ||
| No, all right, but look, the bottom line of what I'm getting at here is Dr. Duisberg, you know Dr. Duisberg, I've read his book, really suggests a parallel to what this is suggesting. | ||
| And Dr. Duisberg is virtually suggesting that with regard to HIV, that illicit drugs and other poisons are causing this immune suppression, that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, that it can be. | ||
| And he makes a good case for it. | ||
| He makes a good case. | ||
| And frankly, his advice is very much the same. | ||
| And he claims that people have been reduced to undetectable levels and so forth and so on by virtually doing the things that you've talked about here or Mr. Beck has short of the electrifier itself. | ||
| well it certainly isn't going to hurt to stop putting poisons in your body i agree up the stop beating the uh... | ||
| immune system to death but you know that I can't tell you. | ||
| How about having a glass of orange juice? | ||
| It's not the same, Wayne. | ||
| oh well of course if you do need a drug you know i i mean I do. | ||
| I haven't had a cup of coffee in years. | ||
| You know what I have here? | ||
| I have a cup of coffee with a straw in it because that's how I have to drink it on the air. | ||
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See? | |
| I'm drinking some coffee now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I like coffee. | ||
| And I tried smoking when I was young, and I said, I don't understand why anybody's doing this, and I didn't. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's a good, of course. | ||
| I criticized that, but I smoke cigarettes, too. | ||
| And you know the insane asylum part? | ||
| I've tried quitting more times than a person can imagine. | ||
| It's terribly addictive. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| It's terribly addictive. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And, of course, as it's been pointed out, the drug, pardon me, they're going to say the drug companies. | ||
| The tobacco companies know that. | ||
| Well, yeah, and they're beginning to admit it, and I didn't need to hear it from them. | ||
| I'm no dummy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Without it, I start going crazy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'm going to be It's terrible to withdraw from that. | ||
| Yeah, it's an easy one. | ||
| Oh, one of the things that I wanted to mention, in the past, we've given my address. | ||
| Yeah, and we'll do that now. | ||
| I've got a whole bunch of faxes. | ||
| Could Wayne give my address? | ||
| I've got some fascinating addresses people have sent mail to. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Wayne Green Scientist, New Hampshire. | ||
| And it makes it, huh? | ||
| And it made it. | ||
| All right, what is your offer? | ||
| In other words, you've got a list of books that you're crazy if you don't read, right? | ||
| I have several booklets. | ||
| Yes, one is a list of about 100 books that you're absolutely crazy if you don't read, and that has to do with education and with health and a lot of different subjects like that. | ||
| And another one is Making Money, a Beginner's Guide. | ||
| And if you pay attention to what I say there, you'll find that you're a sucker if you're working for somebody else for more than just a few years and commuting to work and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| And we all suck in on these things. | ||
| And I have a booklet on the bioelectrifier, which gives the circuits that appeared in 73 magazine and Bob Beck's original circuit and discusses the whole thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I've got a number of reprints of my editorials, which, as you know, go on at great length about all kinds of things and stuff like that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So they go. | ||
| I have a list of these stuff that I send out. | ||
| And I do wish that people wouldn't ask for the list unless they really want to do something to help themselves. | ||
| Because, you know, by golly, 88% of the people are not ever going to step two. | ||
| And I understand that this is, you know, the result of the education, pardon me, I used the wrong word, of what you learn in school. | ||
| And so forth and so on. | ||
| But the offer is, if they will send you a self-address, step two. | ||
| No, they don't even have to do that. | ||
| Just send me their name and address, and I'll send them a list. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So you're even popping for the postage change. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Here's one. | ||
| Where is it changed? | ||
| Here's one to Wayne Green, Peter Rabbit Road, Peter Rabbit, New Hampshire. | ||
| Because I mentioned on there, Peterborough, New Hampshire is in Peter Rabbit. | ||
| Well, okay, in that case, then, let us go to Great Pains. | ||
| Have you all got your pencils and pens ready? | ||
| You can get this list free. | ||
| But Wayne wants you to be serious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I want to help them to be healthy. | ||
| I want to help them to make money. | ||
| And I have the keys to it. | ||
| And I just, golly, it's hard to get people to do things. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And they will get a list back of at least 100 books. | ||
| No, they'll get a list of the booklets that I have. | ||
| 100 booklets you have, and then so they can peruse the list, decide what they want, and order. | ||
| My list, pardon me, my guide, it isn't just a list because I give a brief description of each book and what the benefits are reading it, is $5. | ||
| I haven't found any way to go out and buy all of the books that the readers are recommending without charging. | ||
| Right, of course not. | ||
| And one of the things that I ask in there, look, if you run into a book that I'm crazy if I haven't read, let me know. | ||
| And I'm about 100 books behind here on reading the ones that they recommended. | ||
| And as a matter of fact, Barnes & Noble called yesterday and said, we have 15 more books. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And you can bet I'm going to take this course on photographic reading, which guarantees that I'll be able to read at least 25,000 words a minute. | ||
| We shall see. | ||
| We shall see. | ||
| And the list is free. | ||
| Just send them your name and address and stuff. | ||
| That's a lot of work. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what I do these days mostly is open the mail, put it in the computer, send out the brochures, and get back wonderful letters. | ||
| Oh, golly, I should send you more of the letters that I get. | ||
| Well, you've been sending me summaries of what people think of your appearance on the show. | ||
| Well, I wanted to goad you into getting me back on again. | ||
| East of the Rockies. | ||
| I didn't send you a half of them. | ||
| I'm sure you didn't. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on there with Wayne Green. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yes, Mr. Green and Mr. RPL. | ||
| My name is George, and I'm calling from Mansfield, Ohio. | ||
| Hi, George. | ||
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I've been absorbed and worked in electronics since a very early age. | |
| Around four years old, I started repairing car radios, and I have found electronics and physics to be some of the most fascinating subjects around. | ||
| It's the key to life. | ||
| And I've discovered several technologies which I have patents on. | ||
| One is a patent, one is a patent pending, and one is yet to be patented, actually. | ||
| One technology uses neon gas in IC chips in computers to eliminate the possibility of a MOSFET, which is a metal oxide field effect transistor, which is in the chips, from blowing from a static charge. | ||
| It does not slow down the speed of the computer either. | ||
| I worked with something that I invented recently, which is called non-linear capacitance. | ||
| At least I call it that. | ||
| Basically what it is, it's a form of capacitance, charge, and discharge, and fluctuations of capacitance, charge, and discharge, and an alternating current, which is non-linear. | ||
| And what happens is I have found that a capacitor can actually, its plates, even though tightly wound and high capacitance at a low frequency induced to it with the special circuit added to the capacitor, can allow the plates to vibrate very violently and very strongly without tearing themselves apart and generate a field around them which can pull, literally practically tear the skin off the flesh if you have enough wattage running through. | ||
| Aren't you talking about a sort of a crystal? | ||
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Well, yeah, in a fashion. | |
| I'm speaking more or less of, I'll tell you, I'm speaking more or less of a certain type of dial configuration. | ||
| Well, look, you're getting far too deep for most of the listeners. | ||
| This is very interesting, and if you would send Wayne information on this and send me something. | ||
| I would love to know more about that. | ||
| One of the earlier callers asked about quantum physics. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, yeah, but to be fair, Wayne, and caller, please send that information to us. | ||
| Quantum physics. | ||
| He said, aren't we making it up as we go along? | ||
| Well, with quantum physics, what we do is we see some holes in our understanding of time and our understanding of matter. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| And, of course, that gets back again for me to the concept of consciousness, which I have a feeling, I suspect, has a strong influence on evolution, not just natural selection, bless Darwin's heart, but I think that consciousness also is guiding evolution. | ||
| Consciousness is guiding evolution. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because we already know. | ||
| I alternate between, there is insufficient evidence to indicate the continuing process of evolution. | ||
| We're not, haven't observed it long enough. | ||
| And I have not ruled out the possibility that we have gone as far as we're going and we are beginning to devolve. | ||
| You got an argument for that? | ||
| No, that's nothing that you can argue one way or the other, really. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I may have a lot of evidence on my side, too. | ||
| Right, because, well, we have too little data on that. | ||
| We only have a couple thousand years or so of recorded information, and things haven't changed much in that time. | ||
| No, they haven't. | ||
| Except technically. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Hi, Art. | ||
| Hi, where are you? | ||
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Enterprise Oregon. | |
| Okay. | ||
| My name is Joy. | ||
| It's a great show. | ||
| You guys, your laughter is just wonderful. | ||
| You two make a great team. | ||
| I've got a couple things for you, Art. | ||
| Congratulations on your book. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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I wish I could afford to buy it, but maybe someday you'll read my book and make money. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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I would like to read. | |
| I'm in a town of 2,000 people, and I do senior and disabled client care. | ||
| And that flux is really bad, so I got dropped down to $107 a month right now. | ||
| And I've also seen three UFO sightings. | ||
| That's for UART. | ||
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And Wayne, I am in the process. | |
| I'm going to have my teeth. | ||
| I'm going to get false teeth, and I do have a lot of lead, so I know that's going to improve my health. | ||
| But I've been diagnosed with chronic candida. | ||
| Are you familiar with candida? | ||
| Yep, you bet. | ||
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Okay. | |
| There's a couple of things that I am not a medical doctor. | ||
| But you certainly want to read the book by Bruno Comby, Dr. Bruno Comby. | ||
| Read that right away. | ||
| Read the one on water. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| Bruno Combe? | ||
| Well, it's in my guide to book. | ||
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Oh, okay, I'll send you that. | |
| And another one that I just got and is not got on my list yet, is Eat Right for Your Type. | ||
| And this fellow here has a diet solution for staying healthy, and he has been curing AIDS with this just a diet change. | ||
| Got case after case in there. | ||
| Prove my point. | ||
| And this is by Dr. Peter Didamo. | ||
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Okay, is that the same one that talks about your blood type? | |
| Yes. | ||
| This gives diet for type O, for type A, type B, and type AB. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| All right, well, send away for his free list. | ||
| I don't sell any of these books, by the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm just saying I've read these, and these are the ones that you're just absolutely crazy if you don't read. | ||
| Yeah, people really should understand that. | ||
| You're not selling these books. | ||
| It's just a list of books that you have compiled that will help people. | ||
| And the list is free, and you can get it by writing to Wayne and giving them your name and address. | ||
| You know, you really ought to send them a self-addressed stamped envelope. | ||
| It helps. | ||
| I mean, the nice people out there will do that. | ||
| I guess you'll do it either way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| About a third of them send a self-addressed stamped envelope. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yep. | ||
| I wonder what that says. | ||
| Well, it says that two-thirds are chintzy. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Excuse me. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| This is Dan in Virginia. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Early in the program, Wayne was talking about a cure for AIDS that some company had come up with. | ||
| It was a natural product. | ||
| Nutritional, I believe. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Nutritional. | ||
| What was the name of that book? | ||
| It's Innocent Casualties. | ||
| It's a 1996 book. | ||
| Innocent Casualties, The FDA's War Against Humanity by Elaine Foyer, F-E-U-E-R. | ||
| It's Innocent Casualties. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The second thing I want to discuss with you is I just faxed two reports on mercury, and one was on the front page of the Washington Post, and it states Senator's Press will report on mercury threat. | ||
| And then I also faxed a study by Dr. Cleenhart, who states that in the University of Calgary, Canada, they have absolute proof that dental amalgam fillings are hazardous and cause chronic fatigue and all these other immune problems. | ||
| So you might want to check that out. | ||
| I'll be glad to. | ||
| It's an 11-page report. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Caller, thank you. | ||
| I'm glad you brought that up. | ||
| I'd like to get a copy. | ||
| Let's have a dentist call in. | ||
| I want a dentist to call me. | ||
| Would everybody calling right now, please stop calling? | ||
| I want a dentist to call who thinks that amalgam fillings are just fine because my dentist and every other one I've ever been to says there's not a damn thing wrong with amalgam fillings. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| They don't make you sick. | ||
| They don't poison you. | ||
| And I would like to hear an argument on this subject. | ||
| And therefore, I want a dentist to call me. | ||
| And maybe my own dentist, if she's out there. | ||
| Boy, what a beauty she is, too. | ||
| And I know the way dentists are. | ||
| I mean, root canals, for example. | ||
| You face a choice, Wayne, when your tooth is that far gone. | ||
| Yep, been there, done that. | ||
| Me too, lots of times. | ||
| And it's either, and I've gone into the dentist. | ||
| I've said the hell, pull that tooth. | ||
| I don't want it anymore. | ||
| Get it out of there. | ||
| Inevitably, they say, oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no, we can save that tooth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Been there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But you will not let them talk you into that if you read the book on My Guide by Meinig. | ||
| You will not ever let a root canal stay in your mouth. | ||
| Okay, well, I'm not a dentist. | ||
| I would like to hear from a dentist. | ||
| So hold on, Wayne. | ||
| You can spend more time? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Stay right there. | ||
| Would everybody else please hang up for now? | ||
| Hang up. | ||
| Stop calling. | ||
| I want a dentist to call me. | ||
| A dentist like my dentist who says that tooth must be saved, who believes in amalgam fillings, and does not believe that the mercury is poisoning us. | ||
| I want to hear that argument presented. | ||
| And so if there's a dentist out there, call now. | ||
| I'll screen the calls during the news here. | ||
| And when we come back, hopefully, on the line will be a dentist. | ||
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You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time. | |
| Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Music by Ben Thede | ||
| Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time. | ||
| Tonight's program originally aired May 28, 1997. | ||
| And everybody out there should not be calling. | ||
| I want to talk to a dentist. | ||
| Do you hear me? | ||
| I want to talk to a dentist. | ||
| One who uses amalgam and can defend the practice. | ||
| My dentist uses amalgam. | ||
| I have it in my mouth, mercury. | ||
| And I want to talk to a dentist who can defend that practice. | ||
| Everybody else should now not call. | ||
| You will only waste your money. | ||
| I've been hearing this argument for years and years and years, and I want to hear it presented. | ||
| I want to hear It here on the air. | ||
| So you don't have to identify yourself by name. | ||
| If you're a dentist, I want to call from you on one of the various lines. | ||
| So there you are. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's see if we've got some dentists on the line. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Wayne Greene, are you there? | ||
| Pretty much, yes. | ||
| But fading, probably. | ||
| No, I'm doing fine. | ||
| One of the things, if you get a dentist, I'd like him to discuss Dr. William Douglas's recent second opinion newsletter. | ||
| Well, now, he might not have read it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, golly, he should. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Douglas mentioned a research project that had 2,800 multiple sclerosis patients, and they found that 98% of them had mercury poisoning from their fillings. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, look, let's see what we can find here. | ||
| On my first-time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
| Are you a dentist? | ||
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Hello, sir. | |
| Hello. | ||
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You are? | |
| Yes, I drill them and I fill them. | ||
| You drill them and fill them. | ||
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I heard a bit about what Wayne Green was just saying about a study done with mercury poisoning. | |
| You're not an American dentist, are you? | ||
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No, I'm a Canadian dentist. | |
| I get stuff in the world. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Look, we're talking amalgam and we're talking mercury, and the argument is about poisoning. | ||
| Wayne and others suggest that we are poisoning ourselves with mercury. | ||
| Is that your opinion? | ||
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That is a fact. | |
| Okay, it's not basically an opinion. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
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It's a fact if mercury is released from the filling into the body. | |
| Now, an amalgam is basically an alloy of mercury or another metal or something soft like plastic, plastic fillings and whatnot. | ||
| But you were talking about root canals earlier. | ||
| That got my attention. | ||
| And you've got to realize when a root canal is done, the nerve is taken out of the tooth, which is a molar, for example. | ||
| Correct. | ||
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It's taken out. | |
| And the holes in the tooth, where it goes on with the root canals, where they went down to the base of the tooth itself, are very, very small. | ||
| And when those are filled with normally mercury in the amalgam form, when they're filled and capped with the crown, the mercury inside the tooth is totally encased. | ||
| Except for the very small, let's call it a port at the bottom of the tooth. | ||
| So when you've got to like actual decay of the tooth and the breaking of the filling or the actual filling in the tooth over time, the release to the body is pretty slim. | ||
| That actually would take place because it's still in the case in the enamel of the tooth. | ||
| But an actual filling where it's open to eating and crunching and butting and a lot now where it breaks down, you know when you go to the dentist and everybody hates to go to the dentist. | ||
| I do. | ||
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Myself included. | |
| And I have mercury fillings myself. | ||
| The thing with that is, you know how they put the rubber dam in your mouth? | ||
| And you know what I mean by the rubber dam? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Big piece of rubber damn around the tooth with the dental floss that holds it down and whatnot. | |
| Well that is there for a couple of reasons. | ||
| And one of it is to stop the mercury from the filling going down your throat in case you swallow. | ||
| Because nine times out of ten, a lot of people complain they don't have the suction and you get a little saliva built up in the back of your throat so you don't swallow and there's a chunk of mercury it goes down. | ||
| So that's why they put the dam in there. | ||
| Now the danger of ingesting mercury probably is the greatest during extraction of the tooth when the tooth breaks or filling or removing a filling and putting a new one in. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well Wayne said that root canals are death on a stick. | ||
| I mean he didn't really say that but well let me read just one brief paragraph on that on this root canal cover-up by George Meinig. | ||
| It says can bacteria hide in the catacomb structure of your root canal dead teeth this book could explain why you have a number of chronic illnesses and show you how to get well. | ||
| Can one dead tooth cause heart problems, rheumatism, cataracts, kidney and gall problems? | ||
| You bet you're bippy. | ||
| Read about the work Dr. Price, which has been covered up by the dental mafia for 70 years. | ||
| Dental mafia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Read what the introduction of white flour and sugar has done to the health of every primitive tribe and us. | ||
| Okay, well now we're moving away from the middle of the middle root canals. | ||
| What he pointed out is that when they take a tooth that has had a root canal, remove it, grind it up, and mix some distilled water with it, and then filter out the grindings and they put the distilled water then into a rabbit, it comes down to the same illnesses, chronic illnesses that the patient had. | ||
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Okay, sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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It's like the same rabbit shot by a bullet. | |
| If you take him through a laboratory, if he lived for 15 minutes after he was shot, you're going to have blood contamination also since he was shot by a mercury bullet. | ||
| But I'm not talking mercury, I'm talking the microbes that live in the cataclone structure of the root canal tooth, which is now dead and hot and wet and provides a wonderful climate for that. | ||
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Well, absolutely. | |
| A lot of the diseases like the tick dela roots and whatnot, where there's paralyzation of the face, the nervous system, is caused by the infection in the tooth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you see a lot of those. | ||
| More people are suffering, have suffering from their teeth, bad teeth. | ||
| Well, then, Mr. Dennis, then how do you defend doing root canals? | ||
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Well, all the root canal does is takes out all the bad pulp, the infection, you take that all out because that is what's causing the problem in the first case. | |
| And you fill it back with a filler, be it amalgam, mercury, or plastic, which is like an epoxy, two-part epoxy, and then putting a cap on the tooth so the tooth is totally sealed. | ||
| The only part of the tooth that is not sealed is at the very, very bottom of the long spikes, those tiny, tiny holes. | ||
| Yeah, at the very bottom, sure. | ||
| And that's where all this leaks out. | ||
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Well, if the tooth is totally sealed properly, and properly, it shouldn't leak because there's nothing in the tooth left to decay. | |
| You're not sealing it from the bottom, you're only sealing it from the top. | ||
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That's true, but you know, files. | |
| Dr. Green, you've had a root came out. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| I've had a bunch of them. | ||
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I've had a bunch of them, and you know those damn little files that go so deep. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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And we've got that little probe now. | |
| You put that little sender at the bottom. | ||
| It's just a grounding agent when you hit the bottom. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to hear about it. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It's like where you turn it like it's auto-router. | ||
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Sometimes you have to drill because the canals aren't totally straight. | |
| They've got a little bit of curve to them, so the little file hooks up. | ||
| Naturally, yeah. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
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But if the teeth, if the tooth is totally sealed properly and capped, because a root canal always has a crown on it. | |
| Right. | ||
| All right, so basically then your argument is if it's done properly, it's safe. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And the reason, well, I can send a root art. | ||
| The reason why we use mercury as an amalgam, a metal mix, is that it is durable and it is strong. | ||
| And if you have ceramic plastic, epoxy plastic fillings, you're going to be coming back more and more. | ||
| And people don't want to go to the dentist more. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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You do something that will last. | |
| All right. | ||
| I appreciate the call, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Now, Wayne, maybe he's right about that. | ||
| I mean, if it's sealed, if it's done properly. | ||
| If he will read Meinig's book and then come on the phone and say that he disagrees with him, I'll be more convinced. | ||
| I think he hasn't done his homework. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Am I being heard right now? | ||
| Yes, you are. | ||
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Okay, I'm with Dennis. | |
| Oh, you are. | ||
| And what part of the country are you? | ||
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And I'm in Washington, D.C. and Maryland, state of Maryland. | |
| All right. | ||
| It's an interesting to listen to your discussion. | ||
| Let me address two things as far as the root canal issue is concerned. | ||
| First of all, the fact that the major chamber of the canal be filled properly, I think that's something that every hendodontist or a person that does a root canal strives to do. | ||
| But that doesn't seem to be the issue that's involved with the fact that the dead tooth can harbor bacteria and viruses and other things that the immune system can't engage. | ||
| The physics or the physical properties of a tooth, as I think was pointed out, is that it's catacombs with multiple lateral canals and not major lateral canals, but each it looks as if it's, | ||
| if you look at it in cross-section, it looks like a piece of dead coral, where the canal where the odynoblast, which is where the live cell that was inside the root at one time and now is dead, occupies a certain diameter. | ||
| That diameter is around 10 to 12 microns, and it becomes a dead hole. | ||
| Or it becomes a space. | ||
| The bacteria and viruses, as we know, are much less than one to two to three microns in diameter. | ||
| You're beginning to break up a little honest. | ||
| I take it you do root canals, don't you? | ||
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I do root canals now. | |
| The bottom line is that I have done a lot. | ||
| I've taken awful lot of root canals out of people's mouths and seem to positively affect their health. | ||
| The problem that we see is that many people can tolerate root canals, or at least seem to be able to tolerate root canals, and that their immune system is strong enough to be able to handle a low-grade infection. | ||
| The information that I haven't been able to confirm by the Germans and some others is that every root canal that anyone has ever taken out of somebody's head has toxic problems and is not sterile, has indeed has a number of breeding bacteria or other microorganisms in it, | ||
| and therefore then is unable to become sterilized. | ||
| All right, what about the amalgam issue? | ||
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Okay. | |
| The amalgam issue is, again, is an issue that's gaining a tremendous amount of popularity, and really it doesn't belong in the dental information anymore. | ||
| It really belongs in the medical toxicology arena. | ||
| The dentists themselves, you know, we've been using mercury for a long time. | ||
| And in fact, the ADA was initially designed to support the people that used amalgams back in the 1800s. | ||
| And when I was in dental school in the 70s, we were told that there was no mercury that escapes from the fillings. | ||
| Well, you know, that's not correct. | ||
| So therefore, then you have, and we do know from World Health Organization information that mercury is a major contributor to the overall toxic burden in the system. | ||
| So those are facts that can't be denied. | ||
| Now the question that the ADA and others, the proponents of this, have to say is what is the acceptable body burden of mercury? | ||
| Going back to the pathophysiology of mercury, we know that it's a very deadly material. | ||
| It's neurotoxic as well as neurogenic and screws up an awful lot of the hormones. | ||
| All right, so it comes down to benefit versus risk. | ||
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Yeah, and I think what we have here is the fact that there's such a wide variety of responses to people that due to their genetic makeup, their exposures, their accumulation of other toxins, and the fact that it more than likely, when it does damage, it damages the autonomic nervous system, which is a system that is a, it basically creates the function in our body. | |
| It's the one that orchestrates how things, you know, when organs turn on and off and when blood flow comes and goes and other kind of things. | ||
| So and there's a reason, anatomical reason for that, but we won't get into that. | ||
| But the problem is that it gives, by doing that, it can give a wide range of symptoms of which MS has been one of the things that many of us have been removing the mercury fillings from MS patients. | ||
| But more than removing the mercury fillings, you've got to get the mercury out of the body through various elation processes, which is extremely difficult in order to see the results there. | ||
| Right, I have two questions for you, and then we've got to go. | ||
| One, do you now perform root canals? | ||
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I perform root canals reluctantly with a certain technique, and I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing. | |
| And I inform the patient as I'm doing it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And do you use mercury? | ||
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| Haven't in about 15 years. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I very much appreciate the call. | ||
| And I now open the lines to everybody else. | ||
| I got what I wanted. | ||
| And you know what, Wayne? | ||
| It sounds like you're right. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Here are a few obvious real dentists who cop to it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Virtually cop to it. | ||
| Well, it has to be a first for everything. | ||
| That makes me sick. | ||
| Really makes me sick. | ||
| Where's my dentist? | ||
| Well, I did my homework. | ||
| And you haven't read the book. | ||
| No, I haven't read the book. | ||
| I mean, I think that was a fair thing to do to open the line for dentists. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| No, I was glad to hear that because that's not my opinion. | ||
| It's not just the opinion of Dr. Meinig and so forth. | ||
| But Dr. William Douglas has been saying this for quite some time and coming up with one proof after another. | ||
| I've got a lot of mercury in there, I know, and I've got a lot of root canals going on. | ||
| Maybe you ought to think of cleaning that up and doing some collation to get that out of the way. | ||
| It costs me a lot of damn money to get it in there. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| I've done that. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| You know, I'm so sick of people not telling the truth. | ||
| I mean, if what we just really heard from a couple of demons there is the truth. | ||
| Then we're getting that knife hitting us from every side. | ||
| The government is not telling us the truth about things. | ||
| The doctors are not telling us the truth. | ||
| Where is the truth? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Boy, is it hard to find. | ||
| That's why I'm reading so many books, is trying to find out what the truth is. | ||
| In the health field, you have an incredible number of claims of things being great and fabulous and wonderful, and most of them are bogus. | ||
| West to the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Yes, hello, Art. | |
| There was an article in the paper here about how our weapons scientists have come up with a smaller and cheaper way of detonating a hydrogen bomb and have been petitioning the White House to test such devices. | ||
| And I was wondering what Mr. Green thought of that and if he thought if there isn't some technologies that we should not be exploring. | ||
| And also, if he has any ideas on that. | ||
| Oh, wait a minute. | ||
| One comment, one thing at a time here. | ||
| We've got time. | ||
| Wayne, there you go. | ||
| The personal hydrogen bomb is on the way. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I have a thought on that. | ||
| During the time of war, where we were at war with major powers, there was a justification for developing ever larger weapons. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think that that rationalization no longer holds. | ||
| And we're talking about a weapon here. | ||
| It is a self-sustaining process, like the political one. | ||
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| So, no, I don't think that that is something that should be developed or tested. | ||
| And I don't think there's any practical application for it other than hoping that we have some world power come along and threaten us again. | ||
| All right, next question. | ||
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Okay, I wondered if you had any ideas on ways of increasing the wisdom of the human species. | |
| The wisdom of human wisdom. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| Not necessarily human species, but certainly of Americans, and that is by fixing our one of the worst in the world school systems and make it so that people are interested in learning and learn all their lives. | ||
| We have the example of the Sudbury Valley Schools down here in Framingham, Massachusetts, which are brilliant, shining examples of what can be done with schools. | ||
| In fact, that's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Boy, that could change everything. | ||
| It could make it so people have motivation, have enthusiasm, and are learning all of their lives. | ||
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Okay. | |
| My thought on time travel is that time is a fluid, and we alter time as we go along. | ||
| Nothing is written in stone. | ||
| So time travel is theoretically possible. | ||
| And if you go under the premise that we with our ability to manipulate our technology, we will come up with a way to travel through time. | ||
| Now, your question is, if time travel is possible, how come we don't see any time travelers? | ||
| That's it. | ||
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My answer to that is the reason why we don't see any time travelers is the fact that we never make it to that point in time where we discover our ability to travel through time. | |
| 2012 scenario, if you ask me, that's what that sounds like. | ||
| When you break it down, hold on, Wayne, we'll be right back. | ||
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You'll listen to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks. | |
| Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997. | ||
| Fucking you. | ||
| And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. | ||
| I see skies of blue, the skies of white, the brightness of day, the dark lake at night. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| Midnight at the oasis Send your camel to bed Shadows painting our faces Traces The romance in our hair Heaven's holding a happy moon | ||
| Shining just for us Let's slip off to a sand Do it really soon Kick up the little dust Come | ||
| on, cactus is our friend He'll point out the way Come on,'til the evening end Till the evening You're listening to Art Bell More in Time on Premier Radio Networks Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May | ||
| 28th, 1997 You should call it Amalgam Madness Oh, I'm so angry about this I really am I mean, for the first time I thought to stop and get some dentists and I got them and... | ||
| I confirmed what Wayne's saying It's sickening The truth truly is an elusive thing, isn't it, Wayne? | ||
| Well, we keep running into that all the time I was just thinking about the dissolution... | ||
| I should say the disillusion that I had when I read Renee's book about NASA, Moon, America You probably don't want to talk about that Well, you know, you can talk about it There's a lot of people waiting to talk to you This fellow sent the book in and, you know, it claimed that NASA faked the whole moon landing thing And I said, "Oh, come on, you know, Mike, golly, what kind of bunk is that?" Well, I think it's bunk But I thought Amalgam was okay, too, so... | ||
| That you haven't read Renee's book And I have not found one single person who has read his book And I've sold over 500 of those so far Yeah That is not convinced that NASA faked the whole thing Not one And I have since then heard from a number of people who were in good places to know that this thing was faked And they confirmed it Well, Richard Hoagland says NASA stands for never a straight answer Right I had a couple of NASA guys come | ||
| on, too And, by the way, I should tell my audience David Oates is doing reversals on the NASA guys right now And he called me yesterday And he said, "Oh, my God, you're not going to believe what I'm coming up with now I'm not going to have them on until next week because he's doing some other reversals Right But I understand that's going to be a real shocker So it'll be next | ||
| week, David Well, Renee makes such an ironclad case scientifically You know, for instance, that there is no way that human beings can live outside of the Van Allen Belt without about six feet of lead protection And they didn't have that And he's got the facts and figures All right, well I still | ||
| think it's wrong But, you know, I'll read the book Well, don't read the book No, I said I'll read the book I'll read the book I'm willing to read the book And then tell me Wayne's wrong You know, that'd be it for me That'd be the final straw If I found out they produced the whole moon thing in a studio That's the final straw, Wayne Right? | ||
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So then what? | |
| I don't know, Brazil Right Australia something East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green Hello Yeah, hi, Art Hi You made the comment a while ago We know where the truth is Yeah I believe it's a sad, sad fact But I believe the truth is in our doggone wallet It's called money Probably 85% of what you hear is dependent on whether there could be a buck made off the profit of it or not | ||
| Yeah It's really sad that it's that way There's hardly any truth anymore in the whole world And Wayne, I really appreciate your knowledge You just, you amazed me The things you come up with You're one of those people that would really be an honor and a pleasure to know personally And every time you come on Art's show I get really enthused I've been sick with a doggone cold when it came on the night and Art and House if you were going to be on I | ||
| thought, oh boy, this is going to be great Where are you located? | ||
| If I didn't fall asleep three times during this show Where are you, sir? | ||
| I'm in Illinois Okay If you ever get to New Hampshire, look me up for goodness sakes By golly, I ever get that way, I definitely will I'm always open for a free lunch I'd buy you a good supper It would be an honor and a pleasure to meet you and talk to | ||
| you, it really would We lose you here at 5:30, so the broadcast is over for us All right, well It's been a real pleasure to talk to you, Art I've been trying ever since Mel's Hole to get a hold of you That's a long time Ever since Mel's Hole, my It's been a, it's been | ||
| a, like Paul Hens'Teeth to get in, but your new phone system is really great No more tooth pulling, please Well, thank you very much, I appreciate it Yes Being appreciated Right, thank you for the call, I appreciate that Wild Card Line, you're on the air, where are you calling from, please? | ||
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From Philadelphia From Philadelphia With Wayne Green Yeah, yeah, hi Wayne Hi I appreciate all your information I, I, I just, there are two things I want to say One is, that, you know, when I hear things, if they come from you or they come from anybody You know, I just look at them and I make up my own mind and, and, and, and, you know, I'm going to say | |
| you know I just I just listen to all the sides I just know there's a lot of stuff that in my own experience I'm sure you know has some truth to it and and I wanted to ask you you know what's the best way in your opinion to to fight this this whole medical problem I don't even know anybody who's sick I just It just bothers me incredibly that when people come up with possible cures for things that they can't, | ||
| you know, that they get shut down or nobody can hear anything about it and everybody says, oh, no, that doesn't work. | ||
| I hear it all the time. | ||
| I've got an answer for you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Educate yourself. | ||
| Read some of the books in my guide that have to do with health and start telling everybody. | ||
| Pass the word. | ||
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| Educate yourself. | ||
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Yeah, the frustrating thing is, I mean, I went to school a number of years ago and we learned different things about health. | |
| Right. | ||
| And I thought, well, I'll tell people. | ||
| And when you go to tell people, they say, well, you know, it doesn't say that my doctor or this book or whatever it is says this over here. | ||
| And if you say, well, and then they taught us, you know, don't tell them what to do because you're not a doctor. | ||
| And it just amazes me that. | ||
| I know we're all suckers on that. | ||
| We've been brainwashed so thoroughly. | ||
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Right. | |
| You can't spread information with any first-hand experience or anything like that because somebody's going to going, you know, on a public scale because somebody's going to come down on you so hard and you won't even be able to get the information out to anybody that they're coming down on you because the media will ignore you and it's just the same story all over the place. | ||
| But I don't have any experience with this myself. | ||
| I could just, you know, I could tell it's happening and I know people who get newsletters or whatever. | ||
| If you'll enjoy my editorial in the August issue of 73 and I sent a copy to Art on what suckers we are in believing our medical institutions, believing our dentists, believing in our school system, and believing in college and so forth. | ||
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| I know somebody that got much better when the root canal was unroot canaled or whatever it was. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Thank you, Caller. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| We've done in America. | ||
| Political system is dead. | ||
| We've done in probably apple pie is lousy for you. | ||
| It's got sugar, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And white flour. | ||
| White flour. | ||
| And NASA. | ||
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The apples are good. | |
| Yeah, so in other words, everything that we hold dear may not be so. | ||
| And you know what really worries me, Wayne, is that in the traditional medical world, there's a lot of quackery and BS. | ||
| But in the alternative medical world, there may even be more. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so how the hell do you mention that earlier? | ||
| The wheat from the chaff. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm trying to do, and that's what my guide is, pointing out where the wheat is. | ||
| And I've spent a lot of time trying to de-chaff things. | ||
| Dechaff. | ||
| That may be a new word. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hello, Wayne. | |
| I was great to hear you speak about George Meinick because I've had the experience, and I could tell you, after reading his book, As Bad As Amalgam Is, this problem with wisdom teeth, not wisdom teeth, the root canals, is a national outrage that is far worse than amalgam and far more dangerous, although amalgam is bad news. | ||
| Anybody who reads Meinek's book, as you'll surely agree, will certainly see, with all the proof he puts in there, this is very dangerous. | ||
| And these dentists who say that they can seal it, Meinek clearly points out that they cannot seal it, and these dentists don't even realize why. | ||
| Well, we had a dentist on that confirmed that. | ||
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Yeah, I heard one. | |
| It also is pointed out that wisdom teeth being extracted are also a problem. | ||
| And it has to be extracted a certain way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I've had all that done. | ||
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This is really a critical problem. | |
| People need to know that George Meinek, who wrote this book, is not some radical endodontist. | ||
| He was the president of the National Association of Endodontists. | ||
| He was the president of their national organization. | ||
| This guy knows the subject. | ||
| And one other person I think, Wayne, if you get a chance to contact, because another person doing incredible work in alternative healing that he's not getting much credit is a Dr. Dean Howell in Everett, Washington. | ||
| If you get a chance, make sure you give him a call. | ||
| Because what this guy is doing is just groundbreaking stuff. | ||
| He's helping a tremendous amount of people. | ||
| And because he is bucking the system and not using any drugs or surgery, he's not getting much recognition. | ||
| May I ask a question, please? | ||
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Sure. | |
| What's wrong with getting your wisdom pulled? | ||
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Well, the problem, as Meinek points out in the book, is, now, it's okay to get them pulled, but the problem is getting them pulled so that the infection at the bottom where they're being extracted, all the poison is removed. | |
| And if they're not done the proper way, the way Meineck suggests in his book, and how only certain dentists in the country which Meinek has trained know how to do the procedure, then the poison is still in there. | ||
| And similar to the problem with wisdom teeth, I mean, with root canals, you will have with wisdom teeth. | ||
| And I know it's bad news because I've had wisdom teeth myself. | ||
| I mean, root canals, I keep mixing those up. | ||
| And it's pretty distressing when you've spent so much money to have it done in the first place. | ||
| And then you read Meinek's book, and you will be horrified. | ||
| Distressing does not do it service. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| I would appreciate it if he would send me more information about Dean Howell. | ||
| I'd like to know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Since it's toward the end of the program here, and I'm totally depressed now, I mean, I've had my wisdom teeth hold. | ||
| I've had root canals more than I can count, and I have mercury. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm a dead man. | ||
| Welcome to the Rockies. | ||
| You're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi. | ||
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How are you this morning? | |
| Well, I was all right. | ||
| He's depressed. | ||
| Yeah, I am now. | ||
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Okay, I have kind of a complicated situation here. | |
| I injured my knee at work in December, and I was supposed to have surgery May 1st. | ||
| After hurting my knee, I guess it hurt so much while I was sleeping, I started grinding my teeth real bad and broke off two of my back teeth. | ||
| I've only had three fillings in my life, and two of them were the ones that were filled. | ||
| They started to become abscessed, and I finally, it took a while to get a hold of my surgeon, but the day I was going into have my pre-op blood work, he told me that he could not do that. | ||
| He couldn't do the surgery. | ||
| He had to cancel it because if the abscess were to break, you know, after my surgery or whatever, that the infection would go directly to my knee, and I'd end up having my leg amputated. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Do you know anything about that? | |
| Could that happen? | ||
| I know abscesses, I'm not a doctor, but I know abscesses can be dangerous, even worse condition, lethal. | ||
| Yeah, if it lets go, I know that's true, but I can't know whether your doctor, what your doctor said is true or not, Wayne. | ||
| No, my expertise is in entrepreneurialism. | ||
| All right, then. | ||
| The easy advice is get a second opinion. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| And take a look in Dr. Huggins' book, It's All In Your Head, and find the list of the dentists that he recommends. | ||
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Okay? | |
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| Right, thank you. | ||
| It's like all of a sudden finding out there's no Santa Claus. | ||
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You know? | |
| Yep, yep, been there, done that. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Wayne Green. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hey, Mr. Green. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You said right at the beginning of the program that you said you lost the majority of your money by people you trusted. | |
| Have you ever tried to get any of it back? | ||
| No. | ||
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See, let me tell you a little story real quick. | |
| I know it's in the show, but... | ||
| No, I lost $100 million with one. | ||
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Well, that's a shame because... | |
| Well, I lost worth $120. | ||
| It was my cable, my phone, and my gas bill left in my truck, and somebody stole them. | ||
| And so I pursued, like Art said, if I want to pursue something, I pursue it, and I will find out who did it. | ||
| We'll come to find out two months later after the American Express did all of the tracing and all that. | ||
| It was somebody that I knew. | ||
| So I made copies of the copy they sent me of his signature and I snuck over to his house and I taped them all over his door and he woke up with a surprise and I got refunded my $120 too by American Express and now he's got a court date. | ||
| Cool. | ||
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And it cost me $24 to do the tracing. | |
| So I'm going to sue him for $24 times $100. | ||
| Listen, I'm a big believer in revenge. | ||
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Yes, sir, I could write a book how to get your money back and make their life miserable. | |
| There are books on revenge that you can get. | ||
| Yeah, I've got a few of them here. | ||
| Really? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you very much for the post. | ||
| Well, I don't think in those terms. | ||
| I just say, oh, the hell with it and go out and make more. | ||
| Oh, not me. | ||
| I will pursue someone to the ends of the earth. | ||
| Oh, the hell with them. | ||
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Well, yeah, I can't get it. | |
| Why work up the stew over things like that? | ||
| Oh, good sakes. | ||
| It's not creative. | ||
| Oh, yes, it is. | ||
| Oh, yes, it is. | ||
| Revenge is indeed creative and satisfying. | ||
| Believe me, East of the Rockies, you're on there with Wayne Green. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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Wayne Green, I got a couple suggestions for you. | |
| Get Kevin Trudeau's new speed reading course. | ||
| It's highly priced, and it increases your reading speed five times in about a three and a half hour video cassette workbook set up. | ||
| Well, Wayne says he can read, what is it, a million words a minute or so? | ||
| I've got a fellow that I talked to yesterday who's got a course that kind of guarantees 25,000 words a minute. | ||
| Oh, there you are. | ||
| And has people reading up to 2 million words a minute with his coin for A. Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's what I said too, George. | ||
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Yeah, this is Lawrence. | |
| And he's going to send me more information on that, and I'm going to try it, and I'll let you know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Where are you calling? | ||
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This is Lawrence from Alexandra, Virginia. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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And I listen to WZHF, Health and Fitness Radio out here in Arlington. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I listen in the daytime. | |
| I listen to that program, their daytime health information. | ||
| Do they say things like this about amalgam? | ||
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And they've had people call in. | |
| They've got to have the right test. | ||
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They had people call in with success stories. | |
| One lady years ago, when she'd become a teenager at 14, had straight A's and her grades started failing, and one thing led to another. | ||
| She could hardly make it through college and come to find out it was a filling she received with about the age of 14. | ||
| But several people called in and told success stories about having fillings removed. | ||
| And other people called in and identified the fact that when they find the AMA, ADA, American Dental Association, finds out that fillings are being removed, they revoke their dental license. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Well, they've revoked Dr. Huggins in Colorado Springs, who's one of the leaders in this. | ||
| But he's got a list of dentists that you can go to. | ||
| I know if he's backrocking. | ||
| He has the amalgam removed. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Those backroom removals? | ||
| Right. | ||
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As a young man and teaches dentistry and has a practice and also has some background in nutritional cures gum disease by nutrition rather than surgery and that sort of thing. | |
| Well, if you improve the immune system, it'll take an awful beating from mercury and root canals and everything else. | ||
| But we're not doing that. | ||
| We're Poisoning ourselves with things like tobacco and caffeine and immunization shots and aspartame and fluorides and so forth, and continually beating the devil out of our immune system. | ||
| And by the way, we didn't go to the moon. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, I guess I'm going to take my caffeine-soaked, nicotine-stained, mercury-filled self and go and just wallow somewhere else for a while. | ||
| Wayne, it has been a pleasure having you on. | ||
| Well, I'm sorry I depressed you there, Ari. | ||
| Well, a qualified pleasure. | ||
| No, it's been a pleasure. | ||
| I mean, you're always fun to have on, Wayne. | ||
| But it has depressed me a little bit. | ||
| We'll do it again, my friend. | ||
| I guess the sun ought to be up in New Hampshire by now. | ||
| Oh, yes, it's been up here for quite a while. | ||
| Well, it's still dark here, and it fits my mood. | ||
| Tell America and Canada and everywhere else good night. | ||
| Okay, thank you very much, Arn. | ||
| Tell them good night. | ||
| Oh, good, well, good morning, anyway. | ||
| Yeah, good morning. | ||
| All right. | ||
| See you later, Wayne. | ||
| Later. | ||
| That's it. |
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