Wayne Green, a nuclear submarine pilot and ham radio pioneer, debunks colloidal silver’s flu-fighting claims while defending Bob Beck’s bioelectrifier—a device he says hospitals resist due to industry pressure. He dismisses cold fusion skepticism, citing Japan’s ongoing research, but clashes with callers over mercury fillings, admitting toxicity risks after studies by Drs. Meinig and Douglas linked them to MS. Green also challenges mainstream medicine’s suppression of alternative cures like diet-based AIDS treatments (Eat Right for Your Type) and warns about root canals’ hidden dangers, referencing revoked licenses for dentists like Dr. Huggins. Despite skepticism on moon landings and conspiracy theories, he insists self-education and avoiding toxins—including caffeine, tobacco, and vaccines—are key to health, urging listeners to question authority while embracing curiosity. [Automatically generated summary]
I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many prolific time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains, even Guam.
Here's that won.
All the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell, and tonight, boy, what a treat you're in for.
Wayne Green is here.
And I know some of you out there are going, huh?
Who's Wayne Green?
Well, it's easier to answer who isn't Wayne Green and what hasn't he done.
He sent me a list of things that Wayne Green has done.
As I said, it really might be easier to list what Wayne Green has not done.
Piloted a nuclear attack submarine 800 feet under the Pacific.
Now, that I would like to try.
Piloted an Air Force C-5B.
Oh, man, that's a big aircraft.
Climbed the Great Wall of China.
Has operated a ham station from the famed American Embassy in Tehran.
Operated from the Korean DMZ as a ham.
From King Hussein's palace in Amman, Jordan, that must have been fun.
Been to 132 countries.
Helped new technologies like cellular phones, personal computers, and Compactists to grow into major industries.
Represented the U.S. at an international communications conference.
Represented New Hampshire for Governor Sununu at a governor's conference in Halifax.
Served on the New Hampshire Economic Development Commission.
Has had 100 long editorials published thus far.
Began the first personal computer magazine bite.
Started the first computer magazine devoted to a single computer, 80 micro, started one of the first personal computer software companies, opened computer stores nationwide, eventually sold a chain of 58 stores.
And I'm about a third of the way through the list.
In other words, you transmit, well, people need the know-wing.
They don't know what it is.
You transmit a signal toward the moon with a lot of power and an array, and then you know you hit the moon because, what is it, two and a half seconds, something like that?
Well, I feel that the security of our bands, and amateurs are allocated billions and billions of dollars of frequencies.
And the security lies in our using them, not having a few fellows down there sending messages by Morse code at, you know, 10 or 15 words a minute, that we should be communicating at 5,000 words a minute with computers and modems that connect in by radio.
If you were to devote the 24 C-band transponder bandwidth to HAMS and park it in a geostationary position, we could literally just say goodbye short wave.
Who needs it?
There would be so much bandwidth available for personal and instant communication.
And HAMS, well, I guess the reason they won't do it is because the phone companies won't let them I don't know no it is not that I talked with the owners of these satellites the commercial satellites and I said look you've got a bunch of channels that are sitting there not doing anything that you're keeping for emergency exactly how about donating one exactly and they said sure we'd be glad to and I wrote an editorial on that a couple of them saying yes they said yes they'd love to I was on the the
the long-range planning commission of the f_c_c_ yes and i got to see you know and all of these people personally that represented the satellites and uh...
they say you know no problem and i tried to get the a_r_l_ to do something about it this is an anathema to them this is uh...
really against their religion because it means again uh...
it's going to hurt morse code eventually the old guys will die out and something will start to happen right i don't know uh...
my attitude about the double or al frankly is mimics yours uh...
that folks is the amateur radio relay league which represents ostensibly they claim all hands are hands the biggest organization they are really that they're the biggest you know i have twelve percent of the hamsters members you know but they've done that they've done uh...
a lot of things that have incurred my higher over the years and i can't figure out why but there's a big ham fest coming up and the a_r_r_l_ invited me to be a keynote speaker and i thought of them they must not have listened to my show and that that that that that that that's why you're going to have a like you getting an invitation to address the board up there uh...
in newyton anyway listen i've got a lot of questions i want to ask you about one involves time travel uh...
i had a really interesting guy on about a week ago named terence mckenna right and uh...
that eternally great question came up if time travel is possible where are all the time travelers right i think i have a reasonable answer to that well let me tell you what he said okay he said that they will be here and it will occur when time travel is invented from that moment on you will see many many time travelers but it will not be possible possible to travel back past the point where it was
i think if you take a look at the sweep of development of uh...
technology as you say it is going up uh...
asymptotically uh...
it's ever increasing in its uh...
rapid growth uh...
and we take a look at what we've developed in the last fifty hundred five hundred thousand years and you see how fast things are going that eventually we're going to figure out how to travel in time that it just has to happen and i don't believe uh...
that uh...
we're going to be limited and there's some pretty good indications that we're not going to be limited on where we can go in time okay then where are they okay now let me explain uh...
one of the paradoxes of time travel is killing your grandfather right correct yes well now if you expand that concept anything that the time travelers do that changes uh...
civilization enough so that they're not going to be there in the future they're not going to do that well therefore we have this we have an explanation for these quote men in black that come in and take uh...
artifacts take pictures and things like that away from people uh...
who have pictures and uh...
experiences with u_f_o_s really so you think time travelers might be the men in black i think they may be cleaning up after themselves in order to get back where they came from well of course uh...
i suppose even with time travel and time travelers mistakes could be made and then you would have to imagine that they could go back and correct those or clean up those mistakes and that explains that phenomenon
also explains why we're seeing or can see pictures of UFOs in the cave paintings of 1720,000 years ago over in France why Alexander the Great described them in pretty good detail in his diaries and why we have all of these times down through history when the saucers have appeared Wayne I saw another one right did
Well, I believe that we're not going to see any civilizations.
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He claims that anybody can learn to do this and you can just flip pages one after the other as fast as you can go and everything is in there and you get a very high degree of recollection of what you've had and so forth.
So we'll see how it works out.
There's enough people that are doing this so that, well, of course, I don't approach anything as a skeptic, nor as a believer.
You know, two, let's see, millions of words a minute, that means you could take a book the size of mine and you could go and be done.
Now, before I would be willing to be involved in that, I would go to the person making this claim, take a book I knew damn well they hadn't read, you've got a whole list of them, and I'd say, here, prove it.
And then I would test them.
And then if I got all the right answers, well, yeah, then I too might say, all right, let's get into this.
Well, I, again, I am always hoping these things will happen.
And look, microcomputers, or personal computers as we call them, took a few years longer than I expected.
And this is taking longer.
Patterson down there in Sarasota, Florida is generating over 4,000 times more heat out than in.
Oh, big news in the cold fusion field is that the NASA Research Laboratory in Cleveland, Ohio, has confirmed the cold fusion excess heat effect.
And they investigated very thoroughly and have a long paper out saying that, yes, this is true, it works, and that we are absolutely foolish if we don't investigate this further as a major source of energy for the world.
I know that, what was it, Pons and Flashman had to take off to England to do their research, where they I think still are, somewhere over there anyway.
With the medical industry, another wonderful book I just got recently called Innocent Casualties, the FBA's War Against Humanity.
And marvelous book.
I'm only about three-quarters done with that.
But at any rate, the FBA, supporting the AMA and the NIH and all of the other letters, make sure that any inexpensive cure for an expensive illness is buried.
And this is a group of people that came up with a nutritional product, not a drug, a nutritional product that was curing AIDS.
Well, first of all, they held a press conference to talk about the results, invited all of the media.
They got two articles in the newspapers out of it, one of which quoted FDA people saying that this is no good and so forth.
The media totally ignored it.
And the media, and these people had written letters and did everything they could with their senators, their representatives, material to the head of the FDA, to the head of the National Institute of Health, the president, and so forth.
And they have copies of all these letters in the book there that they just went through extraordinary needs to try to get the word out.
And then the FDA came in and said, well, there's One thing in your mix here that we're not sure about, and although it is permitted in every other country, we've decided that you can't use that.
And they then raided their plant and took all of that, all of their product.
A pragmatic person, at times at least, ought to have doubts about conspiracies of these sorts.
The carburetor that gets a million miles per gallon, the machine that cures AIDS, the nutritional supplement that cures AIDS, the free energy that we could have except the oil companies keep it down.
All of these things, a rational person, and I pragmatic, has got to doubt these constant sources of conspiracy theory.
Well, getting back to the secrecy and to the cover-ups, having been involved in one of those personally, I know that the government is good at keeping secrets.
The Amelia Earhart case, and they're still covering that up after 60 years.
The big, you know, that wasn't the reason for the trip.
The whole reason for the trip was to take pictures for FDR, for the Navy, of Truck Island, of the Japanese installations there, which they didn't know what was going on.
So I'm not sure if they're ever going to release that.
But, you know, just serendipitously, the mechanic who prepared her plane for that, installed the cameras and the higher power engines and the extra wing tanks, was a good friend of my father's.
And he came over to dinner before the flight and told us what was going on.
And the idea was to fly from Leigh, New Guinea, up to Howland Island and with the higher power engines and the extra wing tanks, be able to go to Truck, take the pictures, and get to Howland the same time as she normally would have with her regular engines.
Because when I was in Maduro Island in the Marshalls seven years later, we had a submarine rest camp there, and I was on a submarine during the war.
And we came in there after a patrol run, and our crew talked to some of the natives there, and they explained about a woman who had crashed in the Marshalls seven years earlier with a manned navigator, and that the Japanese had come and taken her and the navigator and the plane to Saipan.
Well, it's a little difficult because you need a calorimeter and you need a way to measure the temperature carefully inside your liquid and outside.
And if you can do that, and I think any kid should be able to do that, it isn't difficult to do if you get a hold of some nickel and preferably powdered nickel.
One thing I figured out is we're not going to go back where we came from.
And we're about to go on to whatever is next.
The subject of my book, and the only time you're going to hear about it tonight, I think, it's called The Quickening.
The first edition, the first printing, never get it right.
First printing of my book sold out in two weeks, and then I didn't have it for a month.
We finally got it again for immediate shipment.
You can get an autographed copy of The Quickening, and they tell me it's going very quickly now, hence not much advertising.
If you want a first edition, signed copy of The Quickening, pay close attention, because I may not mention it again tonight, and they're just, they're going fast again.
It's great in one way, and it's a drag in another.
So, and by the way, in the category, the continuing category of things quickening, the tornadoes just experienced near Austin are probably the worst I've ever seen.
I'm sure a lot of you have seen the photographs by now.
Many dead, many missing, most of the missing, unless there's a miracle, are presumed dead.
Our weather is worsening.
The National Weather Service now says to expect a horrendous hurricane season.
That's on the way.
The bad news, really, or the quickening news, if you will, just keeps coming.
There is a new staff infection that, and I'll read a little bit about this as we go on this morning with Wayne.
There is a new staph infection for which there is apparently no cure.
For the first time in all of history, they are now saying that they have one now that may be unstoppable.
It's a brand new strain that was discovered in a Japanese infant showing resistance for the first time against the very best antibiotic we've got, the one they use as an antibiotic of last resort.
This may be very bad news, folks, and it eats it alive.
So, there are samples on the way to the CDC in Atlanta right now, and they're going to take a look.
But it may be that in the race of antibiotics versus little things that will get us, the little things, which I try never to let bother me, may be winning at the moment or about to.
And that kind of winds into the other big story breaking this morning, and that is, scientists apparently have now discovered, a scientist, let's give him credit, that thousands of comet snowballs from outer space are pelting the Earth's atmosphere every single day, adding to the planet's water and delivering organic chemicals that may have been the original basis for life here.
The finding is a return from the scientific wilderness for Louis A. Frank.
Louis A. Frank, who was banished virtually.
A physicist at the University of Iowa who first proposed 11 years ago that space snowballs continuously strike the Earth.
His theory was denounced and dismissed at the time, but on Wednesday, his new studies muffled, good word, muffled criticism in a hall full of scientists at the American Geophysical Union Convention.
In other words, faced with apparently irrefutable evidence, there must have been a lot of going on out there.
Now, what you might bear in mind is that in addition to delivering water unto us, these constantly bombarding cosmic snowballs, some the size, they say, of houses, are also delivering new organic materials all the time.
So it might, if you believe this theory with regard to the beginning of life or the seeding of life on Earth, then you have to imagine what brought us here could take us away.
At any rate, these are subjects covered in my book, The Quickening.
And if you would like to peruse it, read it, have an autographed version, you should not wait.
should act now because I am afraid the second printing is not going to be around very much longer.
My guest is Wayne Green.
He is editor of 73 magazine.
He's been around for as long as dirt.
He's done everything in the world.
He is a fascinating guy.
And we're going to talk to him now about something that I want to warn you about.
We are going to tell you how to perform a cold fusion experiment at home.
But listen, there are dangers.
It should not be done without adult informed, what would be the right word, supervision, I suppose.
And you really should be part of it.
So having issued that warning, because there are dangers, which we will describe, Wayne says you can prove to yourself that cold fusion works, and he's about to describe a simple, relatively simple experiment to prove to yourself that it works.
Wayne, let's do it.
How do you prove, how do you at home, even though we're not supposed to tell people to try this kind of thing at home, how do you go about proving this?
Well, just taking the experiment that they did at the NASA Lewis Research Center group in Cleveland, they used nickel and they used potassium carbonate in light water.
Although, there have been people that have just hung two nickels into a glass of water with some potassium carbonate in it and been able to measure excess heat.
And you want to make sure not to have your copper wire that is connected to the nickels in the water because otherwise the copper starts coming out into the solution.
And I've got pictures here of people that have tried that and they get a nice blue solution.
And put the voltage on it and have some way of stirring the water to keep it in motion.
And you put a thermometer in there and then another thermometer outside and you'll find that the amount of heat generated is more than the amount of energy that you're putting into the system.
Well, we don't have any really efficient ways of turning heat into electricity yet other than driving a boiler and generating it the same way that they're doing with oil and coal.
But this is a more less costly way of doing it than with coal or oil and has no byproducts that are going to get into the atmosphere.
I was discussing my love-hate relationship with them, and part of my hate relationship is you buy a computer, I mean, 75 megahertz, 100 megahertz, boy, that was hot stuff for a while, right?
But then the next month's magazine, the first one's 1 megahertz, and that's right.
And you get another magazine, and now you can get 133 megahertz, and then the next magazine comes out, and oh my God, 200 megahertz, and now there's 233 megahertz.
All right, so does that imply that our consciousness or even our soul or achieve, who knows what word to use, is contained in our entirety, in every cellular bit of what we are?
What they discovered in the secrets of your cells is that if you take some of the cells, say, from the roof of your mouth, and put it in a gelatin solution and put a voltmeter on it, or a voltmeter on it, and then you put another voltmeter on the person, those meters will go in synchronous, you know, be synchronous wherever that person is.
And he said, yeah, let me send you a copy of this secret, you know, The Secret Life of Your Cells.
And this work that we've been doing is fabulous.
And as I say, they found that the cells somehow are in communication with each other.
And of course, I pointed out in my editorial in 73 magazine that this helps explain why twins have so much in common even though they've been raised separately and they'll have wives and children of the same name and so forth.
And because there is a communication there on a level of which they're not consciously aware.
Right.
And this explains why so many transplant people do have that experience and why even blood people, you know, people with blood transfusion run into the same phenomenon.
Let me ask you about the ethical moral side of it.
We were talking the other night, a really interesting discussion, about a horrible thing, the rendering of domestic pets for pet food.
And it's horribly true.
But somebody called up and said, you know, then, isn't transplantation of hearts, lungs, whatever, isn't that in almost the same way a form of cannibalism?
Once again, a scientist who had nearly had his career ruined because of what he said he thought was occurring is now being heralded as a scientific hero from obscurity to sudden fame because he now has been proven right.
The Earth is being hit by snowballs, some as big as houses, thousands of them every day, every day.
As a matter of fact, they say the objects deliver enough moisture to Earth to get this, to cover the entire planetary surface with one inch of water every 10,000 to 20,000 years.
Anybody out there see the movie Water World?
So not only are these big old snowballs delivering water, but they're delivering organic matter as well, aren't they, Wayne?
Two of the books that are in my guide to books that you're crazy if you don't read, number one, and a very brief resume here, Diseases from Space by Sir Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wick Ramasingh.
Now, Hoyle is one of the leading astronomers in the world.
And in 1979, he wrote this book.
And it says here, this book, by two of the world's leading astronomers, doesn't leave much wiggle room for skeptics of their proposition that many of our epidemics are arriving from space.
You'll learn a lot from this book, and it'll get you set up for the next one, which is even more challenging, and that's Evolution from Space, 1981.
Now, we're talking 1981, and that's what, 16 years ago.
Hoyle, like Lerner, makes an excellent case for the universe being much, much older than the Big Bang adherents, and for life to have originated who knows how long ago.
This book is marvelously detailed with facts which back up the concept of life arriving from space, and the cases made from a number of different approaches.
Pardon me, in my guide to books here, quite a number have to do with health, many have to do with education, and even some have to do with making money.
And that's one of the things that I think your listeners would be really interested in, is learning more about how to be healthy and wealthy and maybe even wise.
And that's how I've lost most of the money that I've lost.
But anytime I want to make it, it's just no problem to make it.
And indeed, I explain the secret of that in my little booklet on making money, A Beginner's Guide.
And one of the things, I'm working on a booklet now on how to get your dream job from 17 to 70, any age, no matter what's your background or education, and so forth.
And find an entrepreneur in that field with a small company and go in there and say, look, you have a bunch of things that need to be done that nobody's doing.
I will do them.
And if I don't know how to do them, I'll learn.
And you have a job right then and there.
I don't care whether you're 17 years old or 70.
You've got a job.
Because that fellow has a bunch of things that he needs done and he has nobody to do them.
And then what you do is learn the fundamentals of entrepreneurialism on his money.
OPM, it's called, other people's money.
And you learn about advertising, you learn about marketing, you learn about purchasing.
I don't think I've ever had an employee like that.
I have tried real hard, and I've had a couple thousand employees down through the years, and I have tried everything that I know to motivate them and say, look, collie, if you'll read some books on how to sell, just think how much better you'll be able to sell advertising or be able to sell this product.
And I can't get them to do it.
I go to conferences and make tape recordings of people that are telling how to do these various things, how to sell, how to get subscriptions and so forth.
One other thing I found out is that regarding motivation, money is not really an answer to that.
In other words, if you have an employee and you give them a substantial raise, there will be a short spike in their productivity, and it will fall right back down very shortly to the same level it was at before.
I have never, you know, I've read thousands of books, and I've never seen anybody give away the secret of how to make money before.
Never.
And you would be hard put to find any other book on the bioelectrifier other than reading the articles either in 73, and we had one in this May issue, by the way, and one last May, and the results coming in from that are stupendous.
It seems to be able to take care of any virus, any parasite, any microbe, yeast, or fungus.
It's in the blood.
And this was discovered by the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York.
And they patented it, and now they're keeping it a secret and not letting out the word on it.
In their patent, they show how they take the blood out of the body, pass a small electric current through it, very small, and then put it back in the body.
And Dr. Bob Beck, who is a pretty well-known physicist, said, well, you know, why take the blood out of the body when it's coursing through your arteries all the time?
Let's just put a couple of electrodes on each end of the arteries here and pass the current through the blood while it's in the body.
So he tried it, and the results were astounding.
And he's done a number of very thoroughly authenticated laboratory tests showing that this rebuilds the T cells and gets people out of AIDS and almost any other virus that's in the blood.
I don't know of any, you know, you've got this new virus that's coming along?
Now, at least, when was the first time you and I did a program?
It's got to have been a year and a half or so.
Oh, about that, yeah.
We talked then about the bioelectrifier, and I should imagine that because of this program, what you've done in 73 and so forth and so on, that an awful lot of people with AIDS and other maladies have tried the bioelectrifier.
A number of the books in my guide had to do with that, like the one on water, Your Body's Many Cries for Water, by Batman Geldi and so forth.
And I just got a recent book here on blood types, and it shows that for each different blood type, you should have a different type of food that you eat because you have come up over thousands of years from people that were eating that kind of food.
And they've been curing AIDS just by changing the diet.
Well, I have been trying to get hospitals to do some research on this.
As a matter of fact, there's a ham who is the head of research of a hospital up in Canada, one of the big hospitals.
You know, really, I'm talking gigantic.
And it's a research hospital.
And I can't get them to do it.
I've given him all of the information, and I just, you know, and he visited me here, and I talked it all over with him, and I can't get any action out of them.
And I think it has a lot to do with the pressure from the medical industry.
And as I often say, their worst nightmare is an inexpensive cure for illnesses.
While I was in Mexico, I continued, we took our supply of colloidal silver and we took it there and then continued to take it for two days after we got home until we both came down with one of the worst cases of the flu that we've ever had, which I'm sure I contracted on the airplane.
And I thought colloidal silver kills all viruses my butt.
It's in my guide, and it's called It's All in Your Head.
And it is very thoroughly documented.
But they have to say that, otherwise the dental industry would be sued incredibly.
Because we've got so many documented cases of people with multiple sclerosis that when you remove the amalgam fillings within a few weeks, they're up and running.
By the way, as we head into the, we're going to go to the phones here shortly, folks.
In fact, after the hour here.
W60BB, I feel that to keep AMRadio a viable resource that everyone can depend on in the event of emergencies and or other public service, we need to keep our standards high, and that's in bold print, which means to, and then he challenges me and spells out, keep the code spelled out in CW.
That's a friend of yours, huh?
Hold on, Wayne.
We'll be back.
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I have a feeling that you probably want to do the same thing I do, and that is keep a lot of good food coming into your body to rebuild anything that gets hurt in the process.
But I have not heard of any bad effects yet from this, from anybody.
And my gosh, after publishing two articles, and we have about 100,000 readers with 73.
Still, though, if anything bad was happening, I think I'd hear about it.
Now, react to this and tell me if it's true or not.
Art.
The sixth international cold fusion conference held in Japan, well supported by Japanese organizations, failed at three advanced experiments carried out.
All gave no indications of cold fusion.
Japanese government funding for cold fusion is now being wound down.
Despite this summary, speakers gave encouragement to cold fusion.
But the fact is, he says they're now winding the funding for this down in Japan.
I have heard, of course, pardon me, that Patterson was there with Dennis Cravens demonstrating their cell, as they have demonstrated at conferences here in the United States, showing that it is generating about 1,000 times more heat out than the energy going into it, and up to 4,000 times now.
And there are a lot of things that I'm concerned with regard to ham radio anyway.
I've got iPhone here.
We talked about it last time.
And Wayne, I'm afraid that for the coming generation, ham radio may be on the way out.
I don't like being a naysayer, but God, Wayne, I can sit here, in fact, in the seat I'm in right now, go up on one of the iPhone servers, and I can talk to somebody in any country you can name, and a lot that you can't contact on short wave, considering the state of the bands right now.
Not only can I talk to them, but I can see them in full living color while I talk to them.
Well, it certainly is going to provide an alternate for youngsters.
But again, there, the youngsters are not learning about technology.
They're just using it as a toy.
And with amateur radio, we have the ability to learn, use that as a means for learning about digital communications and the things that are important in the next century.
So that you can sit down in front of a ham rig and try to scratch out a barely sometimes discernible signal from the other side of the world, as opposed to going over to a computer where you don't have to learn anything and talking to somebody in fully quieted, seemingly fully quieted FM audio and beautiful color video in Sri Lanka.
I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it would probably incriminate me because I've gone up there in years past and tortured them a little.
And, you know, Wayne published the Build the Bioelectrifier article written by Thomas Miller in 73 back last May.
And so I called Tom Miller.
He was a very nice guy out there.
He was in Richmond, Indiana, I believe it is.
And probably in May or June.
And I built four of the bioelectrifiers.
And I had some people that knew people that had AIDS and gave them out and gave them a trial.
And didn't kill them, didn't do anything for them.
I've tried one myself for about six months.
And I've got the Bob Beck stuff, too, just like you have, Art, where you've got to quit smoking, you've got to get on this fantastic diet and all these things.
But one other thing, if you wouldn't mind, please.
Wayne, you may or may not remember me, but I wrote you some nice letters, and I picked up your making money and your Wayne's booklets and tapes magazine and books you're crazy if you don't read and all that.
And here's another little criticism.
I'm not trying to be mean to you or anything.
Starting with, you don't put staples in your booklets, and so they all fly apart here in the trade winds.
I may have mentioned that to you.
Yeah.
Secondly, is that making money, for example.
I mean, I've read the hundreds of making money books.
I mean, we all like to read those kinds of things.
But you just, it's more of an autobiography.
And, you know, you're telling someone finally to get a PowerBook of old Macintosh and to write newsletters, you know.
I guess I'll have to go through and emphasize that.
The point is that to be an entrepreneur and to have your own business and stop working for other people, stop having to commute to work, that's crazy if you do that for more than a couple of years while you're learning to run your own business.
And these people that are commuting to work, they aren't thinking.
I am convinced, Wayne, that if you pursue almost with obsession what you want, that you will succeed.
If you do not start out in the pursuit of money, but you simply pursue, and I mean this obsessively, I'm a very obsessive person, and I go after something like a laser beam, that you will succeed.
There's no magic there.
I mean, in whatever field of endeavor, if you become obsessive about it, you will succeed or die.
Well, as we mentioned a couple of hours ago, if you go to work for somebody and make it your business to learn everything you can on their money, you gear yourself up to run your own business.
And by then, you'll know what products or services are needed so that you can get started.
And this is the way to freedom.
This is the way to make lots of money and to have fun doing it.
And so I did something very unusual for me because I usually get a new piece of equipment, and only after hours of not being able to make it work right do I resort to reading the instructions.
And so I thought I'd read the instructions, and I did.
And it has this list of things, and I'll read it, that you've got to do before you begin using the bioelectrifier.
And it is my contention that if you do all those things, you likely are going to become very, very healthy.
if you drink eight glasses of distilled water a day that is going to help a lot if you stop smoking if you stop putting poisons into your system it's going to help and uh indeed in my guide to books i i cover most of the poisons that we put into our system uh And, you know, like fluorides in your water and chlorine in your water.
Forbes magazine published an article, a very well-researched article, showing that less than 2% of the artists on the major labels ever make a nickel of royalties.
Well, he might have to try and get after it in the beginning of the next hour if he thinks it's good enough.
It's about any research and information he may have about quantum physics and the way he briefly mentioned how consciousness interacts with reality because I believe we're making this.
We have a lot more control than we think we do.
And I just wanted to hear what he thought about that and research into quantum physics.
Even though I'm about to say something that may seem negative, I must admit, regarding this bioelectrifier, I've had nothing but faxes, an email like the one I'm going to read just came through.
Art, thanks for having Wayne Green on about two years ago.
At that time, I bought a bioelectrifier.
I used to get sick two or three times a year, was laid up in bed for a couple of weeks at a time.
Since I've begun using it, I've had only one very small cold that lasted for three days, and I did not need to be in bed resting.
I took the little black box over to a friend.
Her daughter has a disease called metrochromatic leucostrophy.
God, I have no idea what that is.
She's been in bed for 10 years, unable to move.
After using the bioelectrifier for one hour per day for 21 days, she began moving her right leg and arm.
We're going to use the electrifier again for two hours per day to see what occurs.
I've told other people about it, and they just don't pay attention and have no desire to even try it.
What the hell is wrong with them?
God bless Wayne Green and you for having him on your program, Larry in Portland.
But right on the, I went and got it during the break.
I've got the manual here that comes with it.
And in addition to ingesting about eight glasses of water, you must distilled water.
You must also, now listen here, stay off all forms of medication.
wait a minute, let me finish.
Medication, drugs, herbs, caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, garlic, painkillers, vitamins, etc.
While on this program, right?
Now, if you do all of that, and in addition to the other things you say you should be doing, you're going to be healthy or you're going to be in an insane asylum.
No, all right, but look, the bottom line of what I'm getting at here is Dr. Duisberg, you know Dr. Duisberg, I've read his book, really suggests a parallel to what this is suggesting.
And Dr. Duisberg is virtually suggesting that with regard to HIV, that illicit drugs and other poisons are causing this immune suppression, that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, that it can be.
And he claims that people have been reduced to undetectable levels and so forth and so on by virtually doing the things that you've talked about here or Mr. Beck has short of the electrifier itself.
Yes, one is a list of about 100 books that you're absolutely crazy if you don't read, and that has to do with education and with health and a lot of different subjects like that.
And another one is Making Money, a Beginner's Guide.
And if you pay attention to what I say there, you'll find that you're a sucker if you're working for somebody else for more than just a few years and commuting to work and all that kind of stuff.
And we all suck in on these things.
And I have a booklet on the bioelectrifier, which gives the circuits that appeared in 73 magazine and Bob Beck's original circuit and discusses the whole thing.
I've been absorbed and worked in electronics since a very early age.
Around four years old, I started repairing car radios, and I have found electronics and physics to be some of the most fascinating subjects around.
It's the key to life.
And I've discovered several technologies which I have patents on.
One is a patent, one is a patent pending, and one is yet to be patented, actually.
One technology uses neon gas in IC chips in computers to eliminate the possibility of a MOSFET, which is a metal oxide field effect transistor, which is in the chips, from blowing from a static charge.
It does not slow down the speed of the computer either.
I worked with something that I invented recently, which is called non-linear capacitance.
At least I call it that.
Basically what it is, it's a form of capacitance, charge, and discharge, and fluctuations of capacitance, charge, and discharge, and an alternating current, which is non-linear.
And what happens is I have found that a capacitor can actually, its plates, even though tightly wound and high capacitance at a low frequency induced to it with the special circuit added to the capacitor, can allow the plates to vibrate very violently and very strongly without tearing themselves apart and generate a field around them which can pull, literally practically tear the skin off the flesh if you have enough wattage running through.
And, of course, that gets back again for me to the concept of consciousness, which I have a feeling, I suspect, has a strong influence on evolution, not just natural selection, bless Darwin's heart, but I think that consciousness also is guiding evolution.
Innocent Casualties, The FDA's War Against Humanity by Elaine Foyer, F-E-U-E-R.
It's Innocent Casualties.
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Okay.
The second thing I want to discuss with you is I just faxed two reports on mercury, and one was on the front page of the Washington Post, and it states Senator's Press will report on mercury threat.
And then I also faxed a study by Dr. Cleenhart, who states that in the University of Calgary, Canada, they have absolute proof that dental amalgam fillings are hazardous and cause chronic fatigue and all these other immune problems.
Would everybody calling right now, please stop calling?
I want a dentist to call who thinks that amalgam fillings are just fine because my dentist and every other one I've ever been to says there's not a damn thing wrong with amalgam fillings.
Nothing.
They don't make you sick.
They don't poison you.
And I would like to hear an argument on this subject.
And therefore, I want a dentist to call me.
And maybe my own dentist, if she's out there.
Boy, what a beauty she is, too.
And I know the way dentists are.
I mean, root canals, for example.
You face a choice, Wayne, when your tooth is that far gone.
Douglas mentioned a research project that had 2,800 multiple sclerosis patients, and they found that 98% of them had mercury poisoning from their fillings.
And the holes in the tooth, where it goes on with the root canals, where they went down to the base of the tooth itself, are very, very small.
And when those are filled with normally mercury in the amalgam form, when they're filled and capped with the crown, the mercury inside the tooth is totally encased.
Except for the very small, let's call it a port at the bottom of the tooth.
So when you've got to like actual decay of the tooth and the breaking of the filling or the actual filling in the tooth over time, the release to the body is pretty slim.
That actually would take place because it's still in the case in the enamel of the tooth.
But an actual filling where it's open to eating and crunching and butting and a lot now where it breaks down, you know when you go to the dentist and everybody hates to go to the dentist.
Big piece of rubber damn around the tooth with the dental floss that holds it down and whatnot.
Well that is there for a couple of reasons.
And one of it is to stop the mercury from the filling going down your throat in case you swallow.
Because nine times out of ten, a lot of people complain they don't have the suction and you get a little saliva built up in the back of your throat so you don't swallow and there's a chunk of mercury it goes down.
So that's why they put the dam in there.
Now the danger of ingesting mercury probably is the greatest during extraction of the tooth when the tooth breaks or filling or removing a filling and putting a new one in.
I mean he didn't really say that but well let me read just one brief paragraph on that on this root canal cover-up by George Meinig.
It says can bacteria hide in the catacomb structure of your root canal dead teeth this book could explain why you have a number of chronic illnesses and show you how to get well.
Can one dead tooth cause heart problems, rheumatism, cataracts, kidney and gall problems?
You bet you're bippy.
Read about the work Dr. Price, which has been covered up by the dental mafia for 70 years.
What he pointed out is that when they take a tooth that has had a root canal, remove it, grind it up, and mix some distilled water with it, and then filter out the grindings and they put the distilled water then into a rabbit, it comes down to the same illnesses, chronic illnesses that the patient had.
If you take him through a laboratory, if he lived for 15 minutes after he was shot, you're going to have blood contamination also since he was shot by a mercury bullet.
But I'm not talking mercury, I'm talking the microbes that live in the cataclone structure of the root canal tooth, which is now dead and hot and wet and provides a wonderful climate for that.
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Well, absolutely.
A lot of the diseases like the tick dela roots and whatnot, where there's paralyzation of the face, the nervous system, is caused by the infection in the tooth.
Right.
And you see a lot of those.
More people are suffering, have suffering from their teeth, bad teeth.
Well, then, Mr. Dennis, then how do you defend doing root canals?
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Well, all the root canal does is takes out all the bad pulp, the infection, you take that all out because that is what's causing the problem in the first case.
And you fill it back with a filler, be it amalgam, mercury, or plastic, which is like an epoxy, two-part epoxy, and then putting a cap on the tooth so the tooth is totally sealed.
The only part of the tooth that is not sealed is at the very, very bottom of the long spikes, those tiny, tiny holes.
And I'm in Washington, D.C. and Maryland, state of Maryland.
All right.
It's an interesting to listen to your discussion.
Let me address two things as far as the root canal issue is concerned.
First of all, the fact that the major chamber of the canal be filled properly, I think that's something that every hendodontist or a person that does a root canal strives to do.
But that doesn't seem to be the issue that's involved with the fact that the dead tooth can harbor bacteria and viruses and other things that the immune system can't engage.
The physics or the physical properties of a tooth, as I think was pointed out, is that it's catacombs with multiple lateral canals and not major lateral canals, but each it looks as if it's,
if you look at it in cross-section, it looks like a piece of dead coral, where the canal where the odynoblast, which is where the live cell that was inside the root at one time and now is dead, occupies a certain diameter.
That diameter is around 10 to 12 microns, and it becomes a dead hole.
Or it becomes a space.
The bacteria and viruses, as we know, are much less than one to two to three microns in diameter.
I've taken awful lot of root canals out of people's mouths and seem to positively affect their health.
The problem that we see is that many people can tolerate root canals, or at least seem to be able to tolerate root canals, and that their immune system is strong enough to be able to handle a low-grade infection.
The information that I haven't been able to confirm by the Germans and some others is that every root canal that anyone has ever taken out of somebody's head has toxic problems and is not sterile, has indeed has a number of breeding bacteria or other microorganisms in it,
and therefore then is unable to become sterilized.
The amalgam issue is, again, is an issue that's gaining a tremendous amount of popularity, and really it doesn't belong in the dental information anymore.
It really belongs in the medical toxicology arena.
The dentists themselves, you know, we've been using mercury for a long time.
And in fact, the ADA was initially designed to support the people that used amalgams back in the 1800s.
And when I was in dental school in the 70s, we were told that there was no mercury that escapes from the fillings.
Well, you know, that's not correct.
So therefore, then you have, and we do know from World Health Organization information that mercury is a major contributor to the overall toxic burden in the system.
So those are facts that can't be denied.
Now the question that the ADA and others, the proponents of this, have to say is what is the acceptable body burden of mercury?
Going back to the pathophysiology of mercury, we know that it's a very deadly material.
It's neurotoxic as well as neurogenic and screws up an awful lot of the hormones.
All right, so it comes down to benefit versus risk.
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Yeah, and I think what we have here is the fact that there's such a wide variety of responses to people that due to their genetic makeup, their exposures, their accumulation of other toxins, and the fact that it more than likely, when it does damage, it damages the autonomic nervous system, which is a system that is a, it basically creates the function in our body.
It's the one that orchestrates how things, you know, when organs turn on and off and when blood flow comes and goes and other kind of things.
So and there's a reason, anatomical reason for that, but we won't get into that.
But the problem is that it gives, by doing that, it can give a wide range of symptoms of which MS has been one of the things that many of us have been removing the mercury fillings from MS patients.
But more than removing the mercury fillings, you've got to get the mercury out of the body through various elation processes, which is extremely difficult in order to see the results there.
West to the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
Hello.
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Yes, hello, Art.
There was an article in the paper here about how our weapons scientists have come up with a smaller and cheaper way of detonating a hydrogen bomb and have been petitioning the White House to test such devices.
And I was wondering what Mr. Green thought of that and if he thought if there isn't some technologies that we should not be exploring.
Not necessarily human species, but certainly of Americans, and that is by fixing our one of the worst in the world school systems and make it so that people are interested in learning and learn all their lives.
We have the example of the Sudbury Valley Schools down here in Framingham, Massachusetts, which are brilliant, shining examples of what can be done with schools.
My answer to that is the reason why we don't see any time travelers is the fact that we never make it to that point in time where we discover our ability to travel through time.
2012 scenario, if you ask me, that's what that sounds like.
When you break it down, hold on, Wayne, we'll be right back.
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You'll listen to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 28, 1997.
Fucking you.
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
I see skies of blue, the skies of white, the brightness of day, the dark lake at night.
And I think...
Midnight at the oasis Send your camel to bed Shadows painting our faces Traces The romance in our hair Heaven's holding a happy moon
Shining just for us Let's slip off to a sand Do it really soon Kick up the little dust Come
on, cactus is our friend He'll point out the way Come on,'til the evening end Till the evening You're listening to Art Bell More in Time on Premier Radio Networks Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May
28th, 1997 You should call it Amalgam Madness Oh, I'm so angry about this I really am I mean, for the first time I thought to stop and get some dentists and I got them and...
I confirmed what Wayne's saying It's sickening The truth truly is an elusive thing, isn't it, Wayne?
Well, we keep running into that all the time I was just thinking about the dissolution...
I should say the disillusion that I had when I read Renee's book about NASA, Moon, America You probably don't want to talk about that Well, you know, you can talk about it There's a lot of people waiting to talk to you This fellow sent the book in and, you know, it claimed that NASA faked the whole moon landing thing And I said, "Oh, come on, you know, Mike, golly, what kind of bunk is that?" Well, I think it's bunk But I thought Amalgam was okay, too, so...
That you haven't read Renee's book And I have not found one single person who has read his book And I've sold over 500 of those so far Yeah That is not convinced that NASA faked the whole thing Not one And I have since then heard from a number of people who were in good places to know that this thing was faked And they confirmed it Well, Richard Hoagland says NASA stands for never a straight answer Right I had a couple of NASA guys come
on, too And, by the way, I should tell my audience David Oates is doing reversals on the NASA guys right now And he called me yesterday And he said, "Oh, my God, you're not going to believe what I'm coming up with now I'm not going to have them on until next week because he's doing some other reversals Right But I understand that's going to be a real shocker So it'll be next
week, David Well, Renee makes such an ironclad case scientifically You know, for instance, that there is no way that human beings can live outside of the Van Allen Belt without about six feet of lead protection And they didn't have that And he's got the facts and figures All right, well I still
think it's wrong But, you know, I'll read the book Well, don't read the book No, I said I'll read the book I'll read the book I'm willing to read the book And then tell me Wayne's wrong You know, that'd be it for me That'd be the final straw If I found out they produced the whole moon thing in a studio That's the final straw, Wayne Right?
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So then what?
I don't know, Brazil Right Australia something East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green Hello Yeah, hi, Art Hi You made the comment a while ago We know where the truth is Yeah I believe it's a sad, sad fact But I believe the truth is in our doggone wallet It's called money Probably 85% of what you hear is dependent on whether there could be a buck made off the profit of it or not
Yeah It's really sad that it's that way There's hardly any truth anymore in the whole world And Wayne, I really appreciate your knowledge You just, you amazed me The things you come up with You're one of those people that would really be an honor and a pleasure to know personally And every time you come on Art's show I get really enthused I've been sick with a doggone cold when it came on the night and Art and House if you were going to be on I
thought, oh boy, this is going to be great Where are you located?
If I didn't fall asleep three times during this show Where are you, sir?
I'm in Illinois Okay If you ever get to New Hampshire, look me up for goodness sakes By golly, I ever get that way, I definitely will I'm always open for a free lunch I'd buy you a good supper It would be an honor and a pleasure to meet you and talk to
you, it really would We lose you here at 5:30, so the broadcast is over for us All right, well It's been a real pleasure to talk to you, Art I've been trying ever since Mel's Hole to get a hold of you That's a long time Ever since Mel's Hole, my It's been a, it's been
a, like Paul Hens'Teeth to get in, but your new phone system is really great No more tooth pulling, please Well, thank you very much, I appreciate it Yes Being appreciated Right, thank you for the call, I appreciate that Wild Card Line, you're on the air, where are you calling from, please?
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From Philadelphia From Philadelphia With Wayne Green Yeah, yeah, hi Wayne Hi I appreciate all your information I, I, I just, there are two things I want to say One is, that, you know, when I hear things, if they come from you or they come from anybody You know, I just look at them and I make up my own mind and, and, and, and, you know, I'm going to say
you know I just I just listen to all the sides I just know there's a lot of stuff that in my own experience I'm sure you know has some truth to it and and I wanted to ask you you know what's the best way in your opinion to to fight this this whole medical problem I don't even know anybody who's sick I just It just bothers me incredibly that when people come up with possible cures for things that they can't,
you know, that they get shut down or nobody can hear anything about it and everybody says, oh, no, that doesn't work.
You can't spread information with any first-hand experience or anything like that because somebody's going to going, you know, on a public scale because somebody's going to come down on you so hard and you won't even be able to get the information out to anybody that they're coming down on you because the media will ignore you and it's just the same story all over the place.
But I don't have any experience with this myself.
I could just, you know, I could tell it's happening and I know people who get newsletters or whatever.
If you'll enjoy my editorial in the August issue of 73 and I sent a copy to Art on what suckers we are in believing our medical institutions, believing our dentists, believing in our school system, and believing in college and so forth.
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Right.
I know somebody that got much better when the root canal was unroot canaled or whatever it was.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
Hello.
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Hello, Wayne.
I was great to hear you speak about George Meinick because I've had the experience, and I could tell you, after reading his book, As Bad As Amalgam Is, this problem with wisdom teeth, not wisdom teeth, the root canals, is a national outrage that is far worse than amalgam and far more dangerous, although amalgam is bad news.
Anybody who reads Meinek's book, as you'll surely agree, will certainly see, with all the proof he puts in there, this is very dangerous.
And these dentists who say that they can seal it, Meinek clearly points out that they cannot seal it, and these dentists don't even realize why.
People need to know that George Meinek, who wrote this book, is not some radical endodontist.
He was the president of the National Association of Endodontists.
He was the president of their national organization.
This guy knows the subject.
And one other person I think, Wayne, if you get a chance to contact, because another person doing incredible work in alternative healing that he's not getting much credit is a Dr. Dean Howell in Everett, Washington.
If you get a chance, make sure you give him a call.
Because what this guy is doing is just groundbreaking stuff.
He's helping a tremendous amount of people.
And because he is bucking the system and not using any drugs or surgery, he's not getting much recognition.
Well, the problem, as Meinek points out in the book, is, now, it's okay to get them pulled, but the problem is getting them pulled so that the infection at the bottom where they're being extracted, all the poison is removed.
And if they're not done the proper way, the way Meineck suggests in his book, and how only certain dentists in the country which Meinek has trained know how to do the procedure, then the poison is still in there.
And similar to the problem with wisdom teeth, I mean, with root canals, you will have with wisdom teeth.
And I know it's bad news because I've had wisdom teeth myself.
I mean, root canals, I keep mixing those up.
And it's pretty distressing when you've spent so much money to have it done in the first place.
And then you read Meinek's book, and you will be horrified.
Okay, I have kind of a complicated situation here.
I injured my knee at work in December, and I was supposed to have surgery May 1st.
After hurting my knee, I guess it hurt so much while I was sleeping, I started grinding my teeth real bad and broke off two of my back teeth.
I've only had three fillings in my life, and two of them were the ones that were filled.
They started to become abscessed, and I finally, it took a while to get a hold of my surgeon, but the day I was going into have my pre-op blood work, he told me that he could not do that.
He couldn't do the surgery.
He had to cancel it because if the abscess were to break, you know, after my surgery or whatever, that the infection would go directly to my knee, and I'd end up having my leg amputated.
It was my cable, my phone, and my gas bill left in my truck, and somebody stole them.
And so I pursued, like Art said, if I want to pursue something, I pursue it, and I will find out who did it.
We'll come to find out two months later after the American Express did all of the tracing and all that.
It was somebody that I knew.
So I made copies of the copy they sent me of his signature and I snuck over to his house and I taped them all over his door and he woke up with a surprise and I got refunded my $120 too by American Express and now he's got a court date.
One lady years ago, when she'd become a teenager at 14, had straight A's and her grades started failing, and one thing led to another.
She could hardly make it through college and come to find out it was a filling she received with about the age of 14.
But several people called in and told success stories about having fillings removed.
And other people called in and identified the fact that when they find the AMA, ADA, American Dental Association, finds out that fillings are being removed, they revoke their dental license.
As a young man and teaches dentistry and has a practice and also has some background in nutritional cures gum disease by nutrition rather than surgery and that sort of thing.
Well, if you improve the immune system, it'll take an awful beating from mercury and root canals and everything else.
But we're not doing that.
We're Poisoning ourselves with things like tobacco and caffeine and immunization shots and aspartame and fluorides and so forth, and continually beating the devil out of our immune system.