Art Bell and Ramona recount their Memorial Day UFO sighting—a glowing, silent cylindrical object near a jet’s contrails in Prump Valley—while callers from New Mexico, Arizona, and Alaska describe similar high-altitude phenomena, often dismissed by military controllers. John McKinnon details his firing from Wisconsin’s Channel 13 after airing UFO/paranormal shows, with tapes confiscated and broadcasts halted amid censorship suspicions. Bell’s book The Quickening ties sightings to broader warnings: earth changes, hurricanes, and a "New World Order" he doubts will fully emerge despite globalist trends like NATO expansion. Callers debate extraterrestrial plausibility, government transparency, and eerie anomalies—from silent gray planes to a Virgin Mary apparition vandalized with acid—underscoring persistent gaps in official explanations. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, or whatever the case may be, wherever you are, across all these many prolific time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, south into South America, north to the bowl worldwide on the internet, and I guess all the ships at sea, because I get a lot of email from ships.
Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the largest live overnight talk show in America.
This is post-post a.m., and I'm Mark Bell.
And boy, is it going to be an interesting evening.
It is, in this time zone, still Memorial Day.
And before I cover what I first want to cover, which is very significant, I want to note that it is Memorial Day, remains so.
And 1,200,000 Americans have died in wars.
Our wars.
President Clinton is presently in Europe, lobbying to expand NATO to include even Russia in some manner.
And there are a lot of people asking questions about the apparent unlimited expansion of NATO.
When it finally expands to include virtually everybody, what do we then have?
An end of war?
An end of individual nations?
I'm not exactly sure.
But as NATO expands, eventually it includes everything.
What then does it become?
What is NATO protecting us against?
China for a while?
North Korea?
Cuba?
What?
So I'm not exactly sure what the nature of the organization is going to be as it expands.
My mom wrote me a letter.
She apparently was listening to another talk show, and they were talking about a nurse's memorial, and she almost picked up the phone and called that talk show.
Quoting from my mom's letter now, the National Women's Memorial being built at the gateway to Arlington National Cemetery.
I used to walk there every day when I was stationed at Marine Corps headquarters in Arlington.
The memorial will be dedicated on October 16th through the 19th.
And I have received a deluge of letters from World War II women veterans.
There's an example on page 2, and I've got that here.
These letters ask that I, 1, support the ceremonies, and 2, attend the dedication.
I suddenly realized that this was national news and therefore worthy of your attention.
This is from my mom now.
Since four members of our family were in the service, you in Vietnam, your dad and I in World War II, and your grandfather in World War I, you are in natural to support this affair.
If you are willing to give some airtime to this over the weekend, which of course I couldn't because I'm just now live, I'll put the information together and fax it to you.
If this weren't a national cause, I wouldn't even mention it.
But I think the people putting the affair together would be grateful for the support as well as veterans of World War I, their families and friends.
Now, here are some of the veteran and state groups planning reunions to coincide with the dedication activities.
Air Force Women Officers, United Daughters of the Confederacy, Women's Marine Association, Women's Military Aviators, and SPARS.
What do you think, loved Mona Mom?
And here is a letter my mom received.
Dear Mrs. Bell, what a delight to hear you again this week on Arts Radio program.
That was a year ago, almost.
I wanted to call, but the hour was short, and it passed quickly.
Since you served in the military, I am curious to know if you are a member of WIMSA.
If so, do you plan to attend the Women's Memorial Dedication events in Washington, D.C. next October 16th, 17th, and 18th?
I've enclosed a copy of the dedication survey that I filled out earlier this week.
Both my brothers served in the Navy.
I served in both the WAAC and WAC, first in Albany, New York, and finally in Stockton Army Air Force Field, California.
At the present time, I am a PhD candidate and looking into career options.
Would love to hear from you.
All my best art and Ramona.
Sincerely, Helen Lawless.
So, there you have it.
There is going to be, in fact, a very large women's military memorial dedicated in October.
Over this past weekend, there was one dedicated in West Palm Beach, Florida, a women's memorial, but this will be the big one in October.
So it sounds like my mom may be a part of that.
In a moment, I've got...
Today we had number two.
and i'm going to tell you about it in a moment and i'm going to bring my wife on the air because i'm just I don't like it.
I don't like having to do it, but what I saw today was very clear, Not ambiguous at all, and I will describe it in hopes of some of you having seen it.
Our feeling is on Memorial Day, a lot of people were out probably barbecuing and doing whatever they were doing in this part of the country, and surely we could not have been the only ones to have seen what we saw.
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We will describe it in a moment.
Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And we went down and closed the gate and started back up toward the house.
And it is not an infrequent sight out here.
I mean, we've got very wide horizons.
We're in the middle of the very serious desert out here.
And so you see a lot of sky.
And it is not unusual for us to see a lot of jet activity at high altitudes.
So I looked up, we both looked up, well actually first I think I did, at a contrail.
And it was something leaving a contrail going like a bat out of hell from the east, let me get this straight, east-southeast to the west-northwest, and just to a bit north of the Prump Valley.
Now, so far, not unusual, but I stood there looking at it about halfway up the driveway, saying, God, that thing is going high.
And I thought for a second, you know, it might be a launch.
It was gaining altitude so quickly and already at a high altitude that I thought I might be seeing a launch.
So I said to my wife, let's get the binoculars and go look at it.
And I ran inside and got the binoculars and came outside.
And I've got a very, very good set of binoculars.
And I was able to resolve the fact that it was a jet aircraft of some kind.
I could not resolve what kind.
It left a double contrail.
Maybe that will help some of you decide what kind it was.
I don't know.
But it left a big, double contrail.
Big white.
That's what made me notice it.
And as we were standing in the backyard and I was looking at this jet, what did you say?
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I was looking at the same contrail, but as I was watching the jet go up, making the contrail, I noticed just below it something shining.
I called Nellis, and they said, we have had nothing in the air for about an hour.
Now, what I Was going on here was the fact that this was obviously a military jet, and it seemed to me that somebody would be tracking a military jet, first choice, Nellis Air Force Base, and that since this object was so close to the contrail, not by the way in it, but near it, it should have been obvious to anybody on radar that there was something there.
So we called Nellis, and they said, no, they haven't had anything in the air for an hour.
And I also think that they would be aware of an aircraft, even if it didn't originate the flight at Nellis, which I doubt it did because of the altitude.
It certainly was in their airspace, so I can't imagine why they would not have tracked the military jet minus the object we're talking about here.
So then I called the local sheriff's office here to see if anybody else had seen it or reported it.
Zero.
Then you got me the number for McCarran.
McCarran.
And we had no luck there.
And then finally, we got the number for Edwards Air Force Base.
That was my next thought, that surely they would be tracking it at Edwards.
And I got to the control tower at Edwards and did not identify myself on purpose.
This is kind of a funny story.
And the fellow said, no, we're just in the tower.
We don't have radar here.
We optically observe from the tower, which I find also strange.
Mount Charleston, probably west into parts of California, maybe into the Yelk Valley.
You know, I really don't know.
But at that kind of altitude, all of this should have been obvious to more than just the two of us.
We were dumbfounded, I guess is the right word.
So, if I can, for just a little while here, folks, either allow you to ask questions of either one of us, but most of all, I want to restrict two lines, please.
The first time caller line, for anybody who also saw this same object.
If anybody out there saw this same object, we really want to know about it.
And the west of the Rockies line would be the next logical one to restrict.
So I'm also going to restrict that.
And we're only going to do this for about a half hour.
When I was listening to you a little earlier, it kind of struck a note with me, and I seen something very similar to what you said you saw yesterday.
You said you were trying to think just exactly what it was.
It was close to noon, I think.
But we live in some high-density air traffic, east-west lanes go out on the top of where we're at.
And we used to see an aircraft all the time in contrails, but this particular contrail was going from east to west.
And it happens quite often.
They launch missiles from White Sands over to California.
I'm not sure where they land, but somewhere up there.
But this was an unusual contrail in that it was double.
And I think that's what really caught my interest to begin with.
And as I watched it, it was a very fast aircraft.
That's what really struck me.
It was very high.
I don't know how to judge the altitude, but it was way up there, higher than the normal traffic would be.
And at a point which would be just almost at 12 o'clock right over the top of my head, I noticed another bright object, but this object was stationary, which really startled me.
During the day today when I was supposed to be paying attention to what I was supposed to be paying attention to working outside building a fence, started watching in broad daylight, a very bright glowing object at a very high altitude parked up there, stationary.
There were the two contrails running roughly east-west, maybe at a diagonal a little bit, and this thing started moving.
And the upshot of the thing was it was like a bunch of bird dogs tracking.
And they were in this swinging mode like they were suspended on a string and swinging back and forth.
And pretty soon they got into a tight cluster.
And you could see this whole bunch of glowing objects.
And they were backtracking along this contrail.
And then pretty soon it was as if somebody clapped their hands and startled them all.
And the whole mass of five took off more or less in a tight clutch toward, let's see, it'd be our southeast at a great rate of speed and very high altitude.
I was able to resolve it with the binoculars, and it was clearly military.
You know, I couldn't call the kind of jet, but it was a small military jet.
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Okay, so it was small.
You know, what I seen this morning was, you know, I was having trouble with the sun where I was catching, if you know where the second set of aerials is up on Black Mountain, it's the ones that would be west toward you, toward Podic.
Yeah, and to me, it didn't have round corners, but it was long and rectangular, cindicular, and it was really tailing pretty far behind whatever the jet was.
And as it went toward you, toward the northwest, over Pas Potic and over Mount Charleston, it seemed to speed up a little bit.
Yeah, and what trouble I had was as it moved toward the northwest, we had quite a bit of construction dust where I was up in the Sun Ridge and Green Valley Ranch, and I kind of lost sight of it.
We're trying to hold this line open, Clint, for people who saw what we saw.
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I understand, and I'll say right off the bat that I didn't, but I may be able to educate you a little bit about the apparent ignorance of the air traffic controllers as to what you saw or that they weren't controlling or were unaware of the traffic that you saw.
Okay.
If the high-speed jet traffic that you saw was at any altitude at all.
I went with four guys to go camping in two different vehicles.
We went up to Zion, and we were coming back tonight.
And just probably about 20 miles away from what is it, Glendale?
Yes.
We noticed a green flash, like what happened about three or four weeks ago.
And the car in front of me, which was my friends, I didn't know if they saw it or not.
And I thought, well, if I pull them over and tell them, they'll think I'm crazy.
But long story short, we pulled over to the side, and it has to have been like North Nell's Range or something, because we saw these objects that were like just floating, I don't know, maybe it looked like a couple hundred feet above the ground.
And there was two of them.
Well, actually, there was three at first, and then one of them kind of disappeared, and as it was leaving, it had a red flashing light.
And I looked at it and I said, that's not an airplane, that's not a helicopter, and there's no noise.
Yeah, it was going, but the cylinder, like the distance it was, we figured me and Laird decided it had to be the size of a football field, and it was kind of round in shape and silver.
And I think, you know, we've been able to take a few phone calls, obviously not many.
The best way to proceed, I think, with this, of course, I called Peter Davenport immediately at the Seattle UFO Reporting Center and gave my own report.
But the best way, I think, to proceed with this now is to invite any of you who actually saw this object, the same one we saw, to fax us or email us or send us a letter or whatever.
Again, the fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
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And do you have anything to add?
Yeah, well, you know, don't bring me back on here for another incident like this.
I mean, it's all right.
I like being on the air with you, babe, but not under these circumstances.
Good morning to those of you who are just joining us.
We spent the past hour with my wife describing a sighting that we had of a UFO, a very serious UFO, earlier today at about 11.40 in the morning.
Now, I just want to respond to several of the faxes that came in, which said, where the hell was your camera?
And actually, it's interesting because I just now began reflecting on that.
At the time, I thought there was no point because I've got a good 35 millimeter camera, but it does not have enough zoom to it to have been meaningful, to have captured anything except a light.
Now, through the binoculars, it was clearly saucer-shaped, cylindrical, and glowing and very bright.
And now that I reflect on it, if I'd thought about it at the time, I do have an 8mm video camera, which will zoom like 30 or 60 times.
And I should have thought of that.
I didn't at the time.
I mean, it was the whole event took about four minutes.
And so, what do I say?
I should have thought of the video camera.
I didn't.
I stood transfixed with my wife as we watched this.
In a moment, we're going to move on to other things.
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In a moment, we're going to move on to other things.
Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
As manager there, explain the story, if you would.
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Well, we had basically a pretty dry format and, you know, political shows dealing with the governor of Wisconsin, interviews with state representatives and so on and so forth.
And I wanted to inject a little bit more entertainment into this station.
And, well, I've been a longtime listener of your show, Art, and I thought, well, I'm going to try to do something like Art Bell.
And then the city and the government was given that money in turn, and then we were, they'd been working for some 15, 12, I guess maybe it was 12 years, around 12 years to get this station off the ground.
Nine months ago, they hired me to get it off the ground, and nobody thought it would work.
But we finally, we did get this thing off the ground, and it became quite popular.
In fact, it had, from all, you know, my estimations had at times actually outrated the local networks, even in prime time, because of the kind of programming we were putting on.
you said you were a bit of absurd to a t_v_ version of what i was doing here His name is Billy D. He's very well known in this area who has claimed to have been abducted by a UFO.
Now, let me preface this with, I'm very conservative.
I'm a lifelong Irish Catholic.
I have never seen a UFO.
And like your wife, I don't want to see a UFO either.
I'm not interested in it.
And I was very skeptical about Billy Dee, and the board of directors of this channel was very skeptical about having Billy Dee on this station.
They didn't much like your doing that sort of thing.
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They specifically said that it was not a good idea, but I went ahead and did it anyway, because I had an opportunity to talk to this gentleman.
And much to my surprise, the credibility of his story and the emotion that he told it with, and he was very articulate, just left me with little doubt that he believed every word he said.
whether or not i believed it with not anybody's you know uh...
is not really anything any of my business i don't A series of shows with this guy?
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Well, I started, I only did two shows with him.
I did only two shows with this guy, and the thing hit the front pages of newspapers in the Midwest, was put over the AP wire, and God only knows how far it went from there.
I know it went as far as Madison, Wisconsin, and parts of Iowa and things like that.
And I only did two shows with him, and then that resulted in Billy Dee doing shows in St. Louis, Missouri, Syracuse, New York, and even Tom Brokaw's NBC Nightly News people started to do a show on him, but was very, very oddly interrupted by some frequency problem that they were having at the time, and that's going to have to be rescheduled.
But I'd done two shows of that.
Now, I'm the general manager of a television station, and I only planned on interviewing Billy D once, but I figured I'd have him back again, and it just became too intrusive on my job.
I would go out of the door, and it wouldn't matter if I was at the bakery or the bank or getting a hamburger or something.
Everybody thought I was the interviewer of the Billy D, you know, above and beyond with Billy D, not the general manager of the station.
So I had to duck out of that position and replace him, replace myself with another interviewer.
So this other interviewer was getting the same kind of response.
I mean, it was almost phenomenal, the kind of response he got.
The local Fox affiliate was considering doing, putting him on the air to reach a market that would have been over a million people.
and uh...
it just got out of control and he deserved a larger market than ours which is considerably smaller than that uh...
It had no business being a big TV, but it turned into a big TV station because I thought, hey, you know, I'm going to follow Art Bell's format.
But I would warn any general manager and any station in this country to be very eerie of doing things like that because this resulted in actually one of my guests, not the UFO show that was on here,
but one of my guests that I was going to do about two days before I was fired, or terminated, as they so kindly called it, I was going to do a show with a gentleman right down the coast, I guess right down the lake from here.
And he received death threats.
So you've got to be really careful about dealing with this kind of material.
It was absolutely incredible the kind of response we were getting.
And not only that, I didn't want to be associated with UFOs.
I did a program, a several-hour interview with Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
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Right, and I heard that, and I had seen the following, either it was before or the following day, something on hard copy which had made Elizabeth Clare Prophet look like fanatic.
Now, this was the straw that broke the camel's back for my station and for this job that I was holding as general manager slash program coordinator.
Now, I had an interview with Elizabeth Clare Prophet, and I found her to be a lovely lady with sort of an intensified beauty and gift for life.
And I had that day said to one of my board of directors members, I said, I had this fantastic interview with Elizabeth Claire Prophet, and she was fantastic.
She was quite a lady, and her husband's from Wisconsin, and this is something else.
And she really came off great.
I'm telling you, that really, really did it, because this is my feeling.
And I have to say that this is my opinion, because if I don't, then I'm hurting myself in terms of libel or whatever.
But it's my opinion that that board of director turned around and said, this guy is out of control.
He's interviewing Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
He's got this Billy Dee thing going all over the Midwest, all the way to the East Coast.
I had worked in a, I was director of multimedia productions at a software company in Berkeley, California, and had the opportunity to meet Charles a number of times.
And I wanted to, of course, after I heard him on his show, I was like, oh, my God.
Well, yet Charles is very difficult to understand, and his conversation and discourse is very Right.
And he actually speaks a different language than just about as he does.
However, he's brilliant.
And I thought if I could distill this and put it in layman's terms within the framework of a documentary, that I would be doing a great thing.
So here you were, Charles Ossman, Billy Deeds, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, and your board of directors.
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They just couldn't.
well they couldn't take it away even though the ratings were soaring they were They were outrageous.
They were outdoing local networks in prime time, in my opinion, from what I could observe.
There was not a single person that had any kind of, if they had Channel 13, they watched Channel 13 the night that Billy D was on or the night that this sort of above and beyond investigative reports was on.
they would watch that that's all there it was not going like crazy but the board of directors going crazy and uh...
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they they can't you but they didn't just I had just got done doing a public service thing for the YMCA, and it's the middle of the day, and they had walked in and handed me a two-sentence note that said, as of May 7th, your contract is terminated.
They didn't give me any reasons.
Now, this raised quite a ruckus in the press.
It made the front page of the Green Bay Press Gazette.
It made the front page of the Doer County Advocate.
I just got to say that they're fair papers, and they were thinking, well, you know, this guy was getting some kind of press before this.
And I was, and we were.
This channel was doing very well in getting great press really all over the Midwest before this happened.
The police chief grabs the phone out of my hand, hangs up on my attorney, and then says, you either give me those keys to this studio or you're going to be arrested right now.
Well, I gave him the keys to this studio because I didn't want to be, of course, you know, I didn't want to spend any time.
Well, if I had to guess, I would guess, and I said this to you earlier today on the phone, that you ran into a board of directors full of fundamentalists.
And that's just a guess.
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Well, I just, you know, I just can't, you know, all I can say is I really enjoyed your show.
And the general population, the general community has been incredibly, incredibly supportive of me.
Is there any chance that you're going to be able to get your interview back?
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Yes, I have an attorney working on it.
Now, I'm not a litigious person.
I'd rather be sued than sue someone, frankly.
But in this case, I do want my tapes back.
And I think that Billy D deserves his tapes back.
And there are a couple tapes in there that I had produced when I was in California and in New York and even when I wasn't even in Wisconsin that I really do want back.
God, what, you know, I gave you my assessment or what I thought.
What do you think happened?
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Geez, Art, I don't know.
I've heard so many different things.
I've heard Billy D was suspected that they had been tipped by people that said, hey, you know, get this guy off the air before he does some damage in terms of covert operations, which I'm very suspect of because I'm not a conspiracy-oriented person.
But after all that this is all that's happening, I'm starting to be a little bit.
It was finally released at 4.30 on Friday afternoon before the paper could publish it.
And I was told by the reporter, Mike Shaw, from the Door County Advocate, that it appeared to be written out at the last moment.
Well, did he?
He handed them a handwritten notice that said something like, shows had been cut off a minute short or some technical problem or something like that that appeared to be completely, you know, as part of, you're in this business, you know that you have technical difficulties at times.
I have heard from very credible people, not just Billy Dee, who I think, but just regular old folk who have said they've seen a lot of activity here in northeastern Wisconsin.
Now, John, did Billy Dee show you or did you get footage of the medallion?
Yes, the medallion, are we talking about some sort of satellite thing that they brought in here to act as a diversion?
Well, no, it's more of the gift.
It was a little medallion that he was given.
No, he didn't show me that.
Okay.
I had personally never seen it, but the rumors of these stories go back way back.
Okay, but look, what I don't understand out of all of this is how do a few shows modeled after mine, shown on television there, result in somebody getting fired with the police coming in and shutting the whole station down?
Come on, folks.
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Well, it's drawing all this publicity to Door County, and it's directly tied to Doer County, the Door County Advocate, the Green Bay.
No, you also have to remember Peterson, I believe it's Peterson Builders.
It's been a while since it's been up there.
I mean, big naval contracts.
There's also rumored to have a lot of retired FBI and retired CIA agents that live up there, if not full-time, then during the summer or the winter months.
So, yeah, it's a very, it's a great place to retire.
A lot of federal agents up there that are retired.
Well, John's retired, just not the way he wanted to.
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No, but Art, I've come to know, I know, and I'm sure that you know, that this is a transient business.
And if I can take a station that started off with no station and make it into something, then I'm employable elsewhere.
And I'm not being litigious over trying to get my job back.
I just really like those tapes back.
And they have no reason to hold on to them, really.
They're not going to show them.
And this guy's right.
The population booms from a population of something like 15,000 people here in the winter to over, well over a quarter of a million to half a million people in the summer.
I wasn't there to judge her or her beliefs, but actually, in the long run, I found her philosophy and her personality to be very humanistic and quite beautiful.
Okay, see, my assumption is, number one, the reason that the police chief got involved could be due to the fact that possibly a show like you were having on the radio could cause some type of TV.
Also, if it goes against their religious, if it's a religious town, it may conflict with their beliefs and their social standards or their ways of living.
Yeah, but this, sir, he was, for example, doing a show with Billy Dee, and he was talking about a guy who claimed abduction.
That's not going to cause anybody to panic.
Or, for that matter, a fair interview with Elizabeth Clint Prophet is not going to cause people to go running into the street screaming.
These are not the things of which panic are made.
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Well, think about it, Art.
I mean, if somebody walks outside their house and someone was abducted, okay, and say, for instance, you have the six-year-old with this town that's mainly a bunch of retirees, that's enough to cause some kind of concern, you know.
Well, walking down the street with a walker, and all of a sudden a spaceship goes by, and all right.
John, is that the way you I think it is unreasonable, Arge?
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I think that it is a.
In my opinion, and I have to preface it with my opinion.
My opinion is that this was the most unadulterated case of censorship that I have ever seen in my life, and frankly, somewhat reminded me of Germany in some earlier days.
So is there a, John, do you think there's a different attitude about this sort of thing up there?
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Well, people don't, they don't want to, they don't want to talk about it.
And I was told specifically at our first board of directors meeting when I was first hired that Billy D was a joke and that nobody we should not allow Billy D to do any kind of television show on Channel 13.
And then I met Billy D, and he's not a joke.
The guy was very, very serious, and he had a very credible story, and he was very emotive, and I had a very difficult time disbelieving him.
Yes, and I'd like to continue this mode of investigative reporting, but I'm afraid I'm not sure that I would like to, but I'm not sure that it's prudent.
And I empathize with the kind of press that you've gotten.
I have people who support me at the network who don't buckle to the kind of pressures that apparently your board of directors felt to be under or was under or whatever.
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Right.
I'm hiding out in a cabin here in Wisconsin, and I'd like to get the hell out of here.
Well, we had quite a few people who did, not very many paid people, but a lot of people who did it for internships and volunteer work and that kind of thing.
Yeah, but like the gentleman from Chicago said, this area gets very active from people all over the world, and I find it a little ironic that they fired me just before, right, just before a summer, just before you get these hundreds of thousands of people converging on this.
It says, a quick primer on ATC or air traffic control art.
You were calling control towers to find out about your UFO and the high-altitude jet you saw.
It is not at all unusual for them to be unaware of the traffic you were asking about.
If it was at any altitude at all, and it was, it would have most likely been under control of an air route traffic control center, or ARTCC.
In the case of your traffic, it would have been under the control of Los Angeles Center in radio communications.
As it progressed to the northwest, it would have come under the control of Oakland Center, unless the traffic was going to land at one of the airports or Air Force bases.
You called the tower controllers who would have been unaware of that traffic.
In point of fact, if the traffic was above 30 or 3,000 feet AGL, it would not have been in the airspace controlled by Nellis or Edwards.
You called the wrong people, while that figures.
Also, 99% of the controlling that a tower controller does is done visually.
Not all towers have radar screens in them.
If they do, it is a repeater of the local approach control.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
Signed, Clint.
Thank you, Clint.
Yes, I'm sure you're exactly right.
I have absolutely no idea what normally would be done.
I just know what I saw.
All right.
We're going to go to open lines here shortly.
Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
unidentified
*Sounds of the game*
Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time All right, we're about to go to open lines.
Again, the president in Europe right now, and it is very interesting that our president appears prepared to, nearly in an unlimited fashion, expand NATO.
And I'm beginning to wonder what the nature of NATO is going to be.
It's even going to include, to some degree, Russia and all of the ex-Soviet satellite nations.
They'll be included.
And slowly, NATO is becoming a worldwide organization.
NATO, of course, originally formed to protect Europe, basically, against a Russian invasion that would come through the gap in Germany or something, or whatever else.
But now we are expanding NATO to be what?
Is my question.
One world government?
One world control of some kind?
I don't know.
The end of all wars?
Well, I guess if everybody joins NATO, there wouldn't be any wars.
I mean, that isn't the way the world really works, is it?
So, what happens when everybody finally joins NATO?
Then what is that organization exactly?
The Mazarant volcano in the Caribbean is getting ready to let go again, maybe.
It has been in constant ash eruption for the past 10 days, and it could either continue spewing ash or it could blow.
Nobody knows for sure, so they're keeping a very careful, watchful eye on Muslims.
So beyond that, I've got several other items, but I'm going to hold them, and I'm going to go to open lines here and let you say whatever you want to say, and I'll sort of drop the rest of this in as we go.
There is one other item.
This is a very interesting article indicating that in Japan, it's from a Japanese newspaper, a project reminiscent of Steven Spielberg's movie Jurassic Park is underway.
A team of scientists there are going to attempt to bring prehistoric mammoths back from 10,000 years of extinction.
This is no joke, folks.
The team, headed by a professor of animal husbandry at Kagoshima University, plans to extract sperm from the bodies of mammoths buried in the Russian region of Siberia.
Once the sperm has been extracted, they will use it to fertilize ova taken from living elephants.
And in this way, they expect to be able to bring back the woolly mammoth.
That's incredible!
According to Godot, the research project is the first of its kind in the world and will take advantage of Japan's advanced technology in genetics.
Researchers from the U.S. and Britain who have probes equipped with lasers are expected to join the search for the remains of mammoths, and Russian scientists are planning to take part in the effort as well.
So, yesterday's science fiction becomes today's science reality.
And we've done shows in the past that have speculated about doing this exact kind of thing.
And now they're going to do it.
So there you've got it.
Watch out coming soon to a zoo near you from 10,000 years ago.
A giant bully mammoth.
And who knows what all else.
Reminiscent of Jurassic Park?
Oh my.
And I sort of wonder if it's such a good idea.
What do you guys think?
In other words, if something has gone extinct, isn't there usually a good reason for it?
What about the old, it's not nice to tamper with mother nature?
In other words, to bring back an animal that today would have no natural predator and might be a predator itself, whether it be to vegetation that we currently have or other animals.
Somehow, I've got this feeling that we're rushing in where angels and even God will not tread because the woolly mammoth does not seem to have come back on its own.
And if we bring it back from 10,000 years ago, we're going to get ourselves into deep doo-doo.
And that's just me and a little worry.
And I don't know if it's a justified worry or not, but it's doing, in my opinion, God's work, except that we're not gods.
And something like this is going to bite us in the butt.
I just know it is.
I just know it is.
All right, there's one more item, and then I'm going to the phones.
As you know, my book, I am so proud of it.
It's called The Quickening.
And the first printing came out about, what, a month and a half ago?
And the first printing sold in two weeks.
Like that, it was gone.
And for a month, we had no books.
The second printing has now arrived and is available now, as of right now, for immediate shipment.
You can still get, even though it's the second printing, it is the first edition.
It is a first edition copy, and you can get an autographed copy.
What I'm going to do is, as I was doing when we had books before, and thank you all for buying them in such a tremendous frenzy, I was autographing books as fast as I could.
I am going to continue to do that until I get tired of it.
I've had a break, so it makes it a little easier.
But I will tell you on the radio when I am no longer autographing books.
It doesn't mean you can't get it.
It just means you will not get an autographed version.
So here they are, ready for immediate shipment.
So I would be very honored to have you read this.
It is a book that I had to write.
One of those things that was easy because it just sort of poured out.
And I would value your opinion and feedback on the book as well.
And I'm not going to go into at this moment what it's all about.
If you're a listener to this program, you know.
So there you go.
They're available until I say otherwise.
Judging from the way the last printing went, I wouldn't wait.
The reason I don't allow scripture read on the air, although I have allowed some guests to read scripture, I don't allow colors to read it, so that this doesn't turn into some sort of religious church service of the air, which I'm not going to allow to occur.
So when I have a guest like Elizabeth Clare Prophet, or, for that matter, Christian guests that I've had, I have allowed at that time scripture quoting.
In one instance, I even did it myself from Revelations.
unidentified
Do you think that Elizabeth Clare Prophet, her New Age philosophy is a religion?
My policy on scripture quoting is quite clear, I think, and it is that from the audience, I do not allow it.
Otherwise, we get into the battle of the scripture quoters.
Though from my guests, I have allowed it.
That may seem a policy that doesn't make sense to you, but to allow it is to begin to get into a battle of scripture quoting since everybody interprets the Bible and Scripture in so many different ways.
It is for Sunday at church, not on this radio program.
So there are rare exceptions to the rule.
I even broke it once myself.
But as a general rule, I do not allow callers to quote scripture.
when president clinton apologized to the black folks that have to go through those experiments Yeah, I never knew about that until that day, but I'm puzzled that anybody that was involved with that isn't going to be brought to justice if there's anybody alive.
i know they must be pretty old i don't care if they're on In other words, we did not infect them.
We simply did nothing to stop the infection.
And it's a very thin difference indeed, but it is a bit of a difference from what the Nazis did.
That does not in any way condone what was done.
It was horrible.
And somebody might even fairly suggest that it amounted to genocide.
It was horrible.
Horrible.
I mean, they knew damn well what these men had, and ostensibly the reason for allowing it to go on was to find out what would happen when it went to terminal stage.
I observed a phenomenon very similar to what you saw today.
I was passing some time in downtown Phoenix, and my attention was drawn to a high-altitude aircraft traveling east to west at about 2.30 p.m.
The timing's wrong here.
I was following along the contrail with my eye when I noticed a bright stationary spherical object near the contrail.
Fixed my gaze on the bright stationary object for five minutes or so when I noticed a similar object moving toward the stationary object.
As the second object neared the first, the second object became stationary and the first object began to move.
I was able to keep these two objects in view for about 20 minutes before they seemed to gain in altitude and fade from sight.
This is the second time I've seen this particular phenomenon.
It was approximately six to eight months ago that I saw a single spherical silverish appearing object at a very high altitude during the day while I was looking in the same direction.
That's east-southeast from downtown Phoenix.
Your sightings seem to be very much in line.
Well, yeah.
It's true.
I don't know what to make out of it.
It was the second unknown, but definitely weird object that I've seen in my life.
That makes two.
I never thought I'd see one.
Anyway, onward.
unidentified
Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I think that anybody in radio or one of Howard's fans would definitely enjoy the show.
I think that it was probably fairly faithful in terms of, I mean, obviously there was some embellishment, but otherwise, with regard to the way radio is, it was pretty faithful.
unidentified
Yeah, he seems like a nice, I don't know, he gets kind of, some of his stuff that he does is too wild for me, I think.
But anyway, I am so sure that Silver Charm will win the Belmont and win the Triple Crown that I am inviting all your listeners who place a bet, and if they lose, send it to me and I will reimburse them.
Well, it may have passed behind them and not through them.
Count yourself among the millions, just like me, just like my wife.
Millions of Americans that have seen things in the sky for which there is no rational nor a conventional explanation, period.
They are there.
That's not to say they're not ours.
I cannot come to that conclusion.
But I can tell you this.
Either way, it's a big, big story.
In other words, either we have things so far advanced that you would be shocked, surprised, and we all would, in our arsenal, or they are from somewhere else or some time else.
Or, you know, who knows?
Who knows?
All I know is that millions and millions of Americans, in fact, even a majority, have either seen or definitely believed these things exist.
Eternally, I suppose, we're going to have to wonder what they are.
And I appreciate your call and your review of the book.
I'm getting very good, very good reviews of the book.
But, you know, I know it sounds conceited.
I expected that.
This is a book that had to be written.
do you know what i mean when i say that this was not Autobiography and a lot of photographs in it and so forth and so on.
This is a complete departure.
A complete departure from the first book.
And this just absolutely had to be written.
It's one of those things that you didn't, in other words, I didn't set out, I thought I would never write another book because I'm not an author, or I guess I am now.
But I'm not an author, and I had no desire to write another book until this finally built to the point where I had to do it.
It was really one of those weird things where I had to prove what I was talking about.
And without being able to sit here and detail it point by point by point by point, and prove what I was saying on the air, I thought the best way to do it was to put it on paper.
Well, of course, the initial report was on Dreamland, and Peter Davenport came on and explained what he was getting.
I had a follow-up today that indicated the Palm Beach Sheriff's Department was evacuated due to a Hallion activation, completely evacuated within hours of all those sightings.
So I have no more for you right now.
When I do, it'll be on the air.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
That's very good.
Also, here in Tampa, you were talking about the weather?
And if you listen to my guest Sunday, if you looked at the Standeo data from Australia on the website, or even if you talk to the National Weather Service people.
As a matter of fact, I heard last hour, top of the hour news, they are now predicting, ha ha ha, surprise, this is going to be an unusually severe hurricane season, something you would be also concerned about in Tampa.
They are now predicting an unusual number of strong hurricanes.
Oh, what a surprise.
unidentified
Oh, well, I'll have to be watching that because I've actually been taking some of the advice I've been hearing on your program.
I've been trimming back some of the trees in my yard and trying to lock things down so I won't have anything come through the house or go into the neighbors' yards or anything like that.
Well, you can only do so much, but there are certain things, thank you, that you ought to do.
You ought to have food on hand.
Really?
I'm telling you guys, have some food on hand.
Have a radio that will play.
The Beijing is one good example.
So you can get information.
Have some auxiliary light batteries.
Solar energy is good.
I've got some solar panels on the roof that charge a bigger battery that I use when the power goes out.
I've got an auxiliary generator.
So if you can have that kind of thing, fine.
If you can't, do what you can.
Have candles, have some water stored, which you keep fresh.
I mean, there's a lot of things, just common sense things that you can and should do.
Because things are going to get rough weather-wise.
I believe that.
And I forgot to mention that report that I heard about an hour ago with regard to the National Weather Service pronouncement regarding hurricanes, but no surprise.
Things as unexplained in our skies occur as unexplained down here on Earth occur.
Spontaneous remissions, things that you can only call a miracle occur.
And they're coming more and more frequently.
And I think there's a good reason for that.
Just like there's a good reason for the complete idiots who would throw acid, they believe it was acid, on a building to ruin something that millions of people.
And by the way, the police are actively searching for whoever did this.
We've got a photograph of what appears to be the Virgin Mary, which covers the entire side of a building in Clearwater, Florida.
And we've got a photograph prior to the acid being thrown.
Very much quickening, folks, in every respect.
And this comes under the category of a social quickening, I suppose.
They're busily trying to bring back a woolly mammoth right now.
So I suppose somebody while they're still here ought to make an attempt at bringing back the honeybees.
But it is true what he just said.
About 95% of the domestic honeybee population is now gone.
And they sort of just dropped that on us the other day.
Quickening?
Yes.
Sure it is.
That's what this book is all about.
Just part of it.
So if you get a chance, while I'm still doing autographed copies and while we still have some to sell, give them a call and get one on the way.
unidentified
It's the quickness.
I see trees of green, green roses too.
I see them blue for me.
And I think to myself, what a wonderful blue skies of white days darks of the night I think to myself when
What a wonderful world.
The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky, are also on the faces of people going by.
I see friends shaking hands, saying, "How can you do?" They really say, "I love you." I hear you.
am Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time tonight's program originally aired May 26 1997 you know when I fell in love with this when I saw the 12th monkey what a movie that was anyway good morning everybody I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM The following is from Diane in Los Angeles.
Okay, let me walk you through contents of the quickening, all right?
I've never done that.
I suppose I ought to.
The introduction, the quickening defined, in other words, define the quickening in the beginning.
Chapter one deals with technology, America's technology, rushes, the internet, fiber optics, virtual reality.
We deal in chapter two with our economy, as I told you, America's heavy load.
I've talked about it many times, the European Union, the road to global economies.
Chapter three is government fragmenting governments, American sovereignty and decline, and global government on the rise.
Chapter four deals with societal matters.
The American social fabric weakening.
The militias, terrorism, illegal immigration.
Chapter 5 deals with religion and spirituality, the New Age movement, modern psychology, UFOs, extraterrestrials, the paranormal, one-world religion.
Chapter 6 deals with the environment, environmentalists, American consumerism, our natural resources, global warming, ozone, nuclear radiation.
Chapter 7 deals with disease and famine, emerging viruses, emerging bacteria and parasites, venereal disease, diseases actually, plural, biological warfare, and global solutions.
Chapter 8 deals with earth changes, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts, astronomical hazards, global preparedness.
In the beginning of the book, it serves up a warning, which simply says, the following material may not be suitable for those of you not prepared to face the realities of the future.
These may seem like isolated snapshots of some far-off world.
In truth, they are all symptoms of the same cause, The Quickening.
And again, this is not a book that I just set out to write so I could write a book.
It's a book that I had to write.
You understand the difference?
There really is a big difference.
Even when I did my first book, it was a book I set out to write.
This one came from me.
I don't even know how to explain the difference.
The first one was difficult.
It was autobiographical.
It was painful in some ways to dig through your life, try it sometime.
But the second one demanded to be written.
It came from inside.
Because I know what's going on.
I don't precisely know where it's leading, but I know that it's going to get there pretty soon.
So that's kind of a leap through a content of some of my book.
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So that's kind of a leap.
Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I've often wondered if there has ever been, of course, you know, being a military man, that there used to be ship recognition manuals of all types of vessels during wartime.
Has anyone ever compiled a nice coffee table book about a UFO recognition manual?
I mean, just nothing but pictures, a little bit of text at the bottom, nothing but photographs.
Coffee table book size, huge.
And it's having just hundreds of pages and just all kinds of listings in terms of shapes and where they've been seen and maybe a national map on the back.
Now, the UFO, the jet was coming from the east-southeast and headed to the west-northwest.
The UFO was near the, and followed for a period of time, the jet's contrail and way behind it.
And then it stopped dead for, oh, I don't know, two or three minutes at least, and then began to move south and gain altitude until we finally just lost it as a pinpoint, not because of the horizon, but because it had gained so much altitude, that baby was gone.
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According to Egon Bach's book, these things are often drawn to sunlight.
The sun was short of high in the sky, or 12 o'clock, short of that.
It was about 11.40 in the morning when we saw it.
And by the way, I'm very much looking forward to hearing from, as I have been already, getting email from or faxes from anybody in this area who saw the same object I did.
Or, better yet, somebody who had more presence of mind than I did and went and got a good camera.
I don't know why in the hell it happened.
I can't explain it.
But I've got a 35 millimeter camera, and it's got a very limited zoom to it.
It's good for pretty close work.
And I knew that if I went and got it, there was no point.
That actually went through my mind.
I thought about going to get the camera, but then I thought, no, it's just going to be a dot of light, meaningless.
And what I didn't think about was my 8mm video camera, which has like a 6D to 1 zoom.
And you know what?
I didn't even think of that until tonight.
That I could have dragged that out.
Stupid, huh?
Especially for somebody who's been dealing in these things for as long as I have.
But I'll tell you something.
It doesn't prepare you.
Honest to God, it doesn't prepare you.
The fact that I've talked about these things, you would think that I would have trained myself to do something like that.
But when you see it, you're frozen.
Frozen, afraid that it will blink out, that if you run in the house, it'll be gone when you get back.
All of those things.
And there is no good, rational explanation for why I didn't think about that 8mm camera and go and get it.
You know, it does no good to kick myself now.
I might have had a chance with that, actually.
The 35mm would have been useless.
That much ran through my little consumed brain, but the rest did not, so I have no excuse.
Except that we were transfixed.
And when you see something like this, believe me, trust me, you are transfixed.
It's not like it was affecting me in any way, I don't think.
It was just that I was transfixed.
I couldn't move.
We were in the business of trying to get it with the binoculars, trying to, it was visible with the naked eye.
But the binoculars brought it to a resolution that made it an obvious saucer, circle, and it was glowing, glowing like a light bulb turned on.
Now, the jet, on the other hand, which by this time was moving to the west-northwest, was not glowing at all, nor did the sun glint off it in any way.
So, besides, the sun was behind the object.
So the glow we saw was actually coming from the object.
I was thinking of another thing that comes under the heading of avarice and the broadcast establishment was I was listening to Gil Gross once, you know, and he was talking about, you know that girl in California that lost her arms in that crime?
And last year in 96, on Easter Sunday, my friend and I, we were getting ready to go back to my house, and we came to a stop sign, and she looked to the left, I looked to the right, and I seen a UFO, right?
So I told her, I go, let's follow it.
So we followed it, and it's like it knew what direction we were going to go before we went, right?
And we zigzagged through town, and ever since then, it's like sometimes lights follow me, okay?
I don't have a car anymore, so it hasn't happened.
But I always see, I like the sky, and I see a lot of things.
And I just seen something the other night, me and my neighbor.
And we watched it, but I've seen like orange football-shaped ones.
I've seen my son and I, we've seen like a triangle.
They were like in a triangle in the sky.
And these things were shooting out of the bottom.
It was like an upside-down triangle.
And so he ran upstairs and he got the neighbors so we have somebody else to see it.
And he watched these things just shooting out of like what we thought was a star.
But it was in the shape of a triangle and it was like toward the northeast.
From Reuters, Dateline, Miami, Memorial Day, the unofficial start of summer.
This year heralds for coastal residents a, quote, bleaker than normal Atlantic hurricane season, six months of torrential rains, deadly winds, and pounding waves.
Forecasters expect more tropical storms and hurricanes than average during the 97 season, prompting Colorado State University professor and weather forecaster Bill Gray to exclaim this does not bode very well for the U.S. Southeast and Caribbean should the storm forecast for 1997 prove accurate the three-year period would be the busiest ever ushering in what could be decades of increased
storm activity.
That is from UPI, and then there's several stats in the middle of the story.
Are you surprised?
Not me.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Yeah, hi, Art.
How are you doing?
Okay.
This is Dave here in Sandy Valley, your neighbor to the south.
Yeah, I was calling you to let you know about something I saw about a month ago here.
I might explain some of this UFO mystery stuff.
It was early in the morning, about 6:30, a little ways after sunrise, and I see these planes coming, hugging the valley below the horizon, traveling about 200 feet.
They came, I'd say, within about a half a mile.
They were about half the size of a commercial airliner.
So I was just thinking, about a couple years ago, I had read in Newsweek that they were developing this anti-sound with these microprocessors that made a...
Instead of having swoop back wings, they had more like straight out wings and real slow, lumbering craft.
But anyway, I'm thinking, because the way that I saw them flying, if a person was to see those at night, they may, you know, look kind of odd, especially since there was no sound from these things.
The Extremes Somewhere in the bed, not too far from here.
Deep beneath the bed with another atmosphere of everywhere.
For the best I had at Lake Grove Once a smile under Vegas Is where they landed on the moon I'm gonna follow the sun Out the area of 51 I'll watch the sunset at the mountain For when
the test is done I'm gonna follow the sun Out the area of 51 I gotta be there in the desert At area 51 Oh, oh, oh, oh
Duke Williams in the sky above Nevada in the extremes.
A young pilot tries to hide in a duly-stirited airspace where gravity warps the time.
The jet is intercepted by a giant silver disk.
His last words to the tower Oh my God, my insolence exists.
I'm gonna follow the sun at the area 51.
Behind the mountains of sunset that's where the test can come.
Yeah, well, I think Ralph was poorly advised to be shooting at that thing.
Please, folks, whatever it is you see in the skies, don't shoot at it.
Don't shoot at them.
Now, there are many ways of looking at this.
Now, if they shoot at you, that's self-defense.
But to begin shooting at objects that you don't know about in the sky strikes me as just plain damn foolish.
And on behalf of the rest of the human race, I beseech you, please do not shoot at these things.
See, there's another definite problem.
Whatever in the hell they are, and either way you look at it, whether they are advanced military aircraft, ours, or they're from somewhere else, they've got to be pretty advanced to get here and be doing what they're doing.
Hey, listen, I was wondering, if we are able to travel into space with the space shuttle, go to the moon and back and stuff like that, what makes anybody think that there are not people out there or beings out there that have been able to do the same thing a lot quicker than we have, or maybe they've been doing it longer than we have?
You notice I didn't say it's an absolute because I don't know what these things are, but yeah.
I mean, there are all those suns, more than you can count.
We're way out here in the suburbs if you look at where the Earth really is, where our system really is.
And of course it's likely that life has evolved and that some of it would have become very advanced technologically.
Look at the last decade or two decades of advancement made by mankind and then project that 100, 200 years, which is a cosmic blink.
And so it's almost guaranteed.
unidentified
Right.
I was just kind of curious, like, you know, the area of 51 and the government getting involved in that thing in Brazil, like you were talking about earlier with one of your other callers.
Yes.
And then all of a sudden it gets hushed up and we don't hear anything more about it.
Does the government actually feel that we're some kind of morons that we don't have any kind of vision as to what could actually be out there?
Well, we're treated like morons and sometimes we act that way.
When I had my first sighting, a very serious sighting about four years ago, I guess, a local newspaper came out two weeks later with this admission that Nellis Air Force Base had said, yes, there was a secret mission over the Prump Valley, which is a little valley I'm in, and it had been a C-130 aircraft, which was an utter, absolute insult to anybody's intelligence.
And yet, it was swallowed whole by everybody, except those that had seen it.
No, I understand what you're saying, but I've just got the standard lens on a 35 millimeter camera, and it's got an 8 to 1 zoom or something.
Totally useless for what I would have tried to have done yesterday.
But I really still think, and you're right about the resolution, but I sure could have come a lot closer with that 8 millimeter if I'd only thought of that.
I mean, anybody can jump to conclusions, but based on what I saw, no, I can't.
That'd be foolish.
unidentified
And I'm somebody who makes sure I say my prayers daily, and I call myself a Christian, but I still stick to the facts.
I read stuff like the Bible, and I think some of it is so true.
But on the other hand, I think some of it, you know, is nonsense, like, you know, penguins marching up into Noah's Ark.
A lot of it's inconclusive.
A lot of it's unclear.
And I really think that it's really being twisted.
I think it was Carl Sagan who once said that we should not be viewing evolution of the world based on an authoritative test, no matter how well-meaning we want to view the Bible.