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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines. Art and Ramona's UFO Sighting #2

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from May 26, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, or whatever the case may be, wherever you are, across all these many prolific time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, south into South America, north to the bowl worldwide on the internet, and I guess all the ships at sea, because I get a lot of email from ships.
		Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the largest live overnight talk show in America.
		This is post-post a.m., and I'm Mark Bell.
		And boy, is it going to be an interesting evening.
		It is, in this time zone, still Memorial Day.
		And before I cover what I first want to cover, which is very significant, I want to note that it is Memorial Day, remains so.
		And 1,200,000 Americans have died in wars.
		Our wars.
		President Clinton is presently in Europe, lobbying to expand NATO to include even Russia in some manner.
		And there are a lot of people asking questions about the apparent unlimited expansion of NATO.
		When it finally expands to include virtually everybody, what do we then have?
		An end of war?
		An end of individual nations?
		I'm not exactly sure.
		But as NATO expands, eventually it includes everything.
		What then does it become?
		What is NATO protecting us against?
		China for a while?
		North Korea?
		Cuba?
		What?
		So I'm not exactly sure what the nature of the organization is going to be as it expands.
		My mom wrote me a letter.
		She apparently was listening to another talk show, and they were talking about a nurse's memorial, and she almost picked up the phone and called that talk show.
		Quoting from my mom's letter now, the National Women's Memorial being built at the gateway to Arlington National Cemetery.
		I used to walk there every day when I was stationed at Marine Corps headquarters in Arlington.
		The memorial will be dedicated on October 16th through the 19th.
		And I have received a deluge of letters from World War II women veterans.
		There's an example on page 2, and I've got that here.
		These letters ask that I, 1, support the ceremonies, and 2, attend the dedication.
		I suddenly realized that this was national news and therefore worthy of your attention.
		This is from my mom now.
		Since four members of our family were in the service, you in Vietnam, your dad and I in World War II, and your grandfather in World War I, you are in natural to support this affair.
		If you are willing to give some airtime to this over the weekend, which of course I couldn't because I'm just now live, I'll put the information together and fax it to you.
		If this weren't a national cause, I wouldn't even mention it.
		But I think the people putting the affair together would be grateful for the support as well as veterans of World War I, their families and friends.
		Now, here are some of the veteran and state groups planning reunions to coincide with the dedication activities.
		Air Force Women Officers, United Daughters of the Confederacy, Women's Marine Association, Women's Military Aviators, and SPARS.
		What do you think, loved Mona Mom?
		And here is a letter my mom received.
		Dear Mrs. Bell, what a delight to hear you again this week on Arts Radio program.
		That was a year ago, almost.
		I wanted to call, but the hour was short, and it passed quickly.
		Since you served in the military, I am curious to know if you are a member of WIMSA.
		If so, do you plan to attend the Women's Memorial Dedication events in Washington, D.C. next October 16th, 17th, and 18th?
		I've enclosed a copy of the dedication survey that I filled out earlier this week.
		Both my brothers served in the Navy.
		I served in both the WAAC and WAC, first in Albany, New York, and finally in Stockton Army Air Force Field, California.
		At the present time, I am a PhD candidate and looking into career options.
		Would love to hear from you.
		All my best art and Ramona.
		Sincerely, Helen Lawless.
		So, there you have it.
		There is going to be, in fact, a very large women's military memorial dedicated in October.
		Over this past weekend, there was one dedicated in West Palm Beach, Florida, a women's memorial, but this will be the big one in October.
		So it sounds like my mom may be a part of that.
		In a moment, I've got...
		Today we had number two.
		and i'm going to tell you about it in a moment and i'm going to bring my wife on the air because i'm just I don't like it.
		I don't like having to do it, but what I saw today was very clear, Not ambiguous at all, and I will describe it in hopes of some of you having seen it.
		Our feeling is on Memorial Day, a lot of people were out probably barbecuing and doing whatever they were doing in this part of the country, and surely we could not have been the only ones to have seen what we saw.
unidentified		We will describe it in a moment.
		Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, folks, here it comes for whatever it's worth.
		We had a hell of an experience today.
		Let me bring my wife online if I can.
		My wife's name is Ramona.
		She's rarely on the air.
		Let's see if I can get your mic working.
		Say something.
unidentified		Very rarely on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there she is.
		Here's what happened today, folks.
		It was about, I think, about 11.40 in the morning, would you say?
unidentified		Yeah, about 11.40.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 11.40.
		And we were getting ready to go out and get some sun.
		And so I said, Han, why don't you go close the gate?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you said, why don't you come with me?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we walked down to close.
		We've got a gate that closes and slides closed.
		And we went down and closed the gate and started back up toward the house.
		And it is not an infrequent sight out here.
		I mean, we've got very wide horizons.
		We're in the middle of the very serious desert out here.
		And so you see a lot of sky.
		And it is not unusual for us to see a lot of jet activity at high altitudes.
		So I looked up, we both looked up, well actually first I think I did, at a contrail.
		And it was something leaving a contrail going like a bat out of hell from the east, let me get this straight, east-southeast to the west-northwest, and just to a bit north of the Prump Valley.
		Now, so far, not unusual, but I stood there looking at it about halfway up the driveway, saying, God, that thing is going high.
		And I thought for a second, you know, it might be a launch.
		It was gaining altitude so quickly and already at a high altitude that I thought I might be seeing a launch.
		So I said to my wife, let's get the binoculars and go look at it.
		And I ran inside and got the binoculars and came outside.
		And I've got a very, very good set of binoculars.
		And I was able to resolve the fact that it was a jet aircraft of some kind.
		I could not resolve what kind.
		It left a double contrail.
		Maybe that will help some of you decide what kind it was.
		I don't know.
		But it left a big, double contrail.
		Big white.
		That's what made me notice it.
		And as we were standing in the backyard and I was looking at this jet, what did you say?
unidentified		I was looking at the same contrail, but as I was watching the jet go up, making the contrail, I noticed just below it something shining.
		And I said, what is that?
		Just, you know, what is that?
		It was very curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what it was, I looked to, and you could see it with your naked eye at that point.
		It was a cylindrical round object.
		The sun at this point was high, but still behind it, not quite being up in the middle of the sky yet.
		So the sun could not have been reflecting on it.
		As a matter of fact, it didn't reflect on the jet.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this object was glowing like a 100-watt light bulb in front of you.
		literally i mean actually it was so Silverish.
		Yeah.
		And it was tracking with the jet for a while, behind it, tracking with the contrail.
		And then it stopped.
unidentified		Like it.
		I hate to say it.
		Like it noticed we were noticing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
unidentified		I don't know about that either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it stopped, anyway.
		It stopped dead cold.
		And at that point, I got the binoculars on it, and it resolved to be much larger, but still just a round, cylindrical, extremely bright.
		I would say glowing is more of the right term.
		Now, I have no way of judging how high that jet was, except to tell you we heard no noise.
		So I'm guessing at 40, 50,000 feet easily.
		Maybe more.
		And this object made no noise.
		None.
		And I think we, how long did we stand out there handing the binoculars back and forth and watching this damn thing?
unidentified		Well, total, about six minutes, total.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four to six minutes, somewhere in there, long time.
		And finally, it left its sitting position and, like a bat out of hell, started going south and gaining altitude.
		And at that point, I began to lose track of it.
		My wife, who has better eyes, no doubt, than I do, she was able to hold on to it as it went up in altitude.
		We did not lose it at the horizon.
		We lost it at altitude.
		It turned into what?
		Like just a pinpoint, and then finally, gone.
		And so there it is, folks.
		Our second sighting.
		Now, we both were, what's the right word?
unidentified		Awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Awake, yeah, we were awake, all right.
		And it occurred to us first to make some calls.
		Which we did.
		And what was the first number you got me?
unidentified		Nellis Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nellis, that's right.
		I called Nellis, and they said, we have had nothing in the air for about an hour.
		Now, what I Was going on here was the fact that this was obviously a military jet, and it seemed to me that somebody would be tracking a military jet, first choice, Nellis Air Force Base, and that since this object was so close to the contrail, not by the way in it, but near it, it should have been obvious to anybody on radar that there was something there.
		So we called Nellis, and they said, no, they haven't had anything in the air for an hour.
unidentified		So they're denying their own aircraft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or at least an aircraft in their airspace.
		Yeah.
		And I also think that they would be aware of an aircraft, even if it didn't originate the flight at Nellis, which I doubt it did because of the altitude.
		It certainly was in their airspace, so I can't imagine why they would not have tracked the military jet minus the object we're talking about here.
		So then I called the local sheriff's office here to see if anybody else had seen it or reported it.
		Zero.
		Then you got me the number for McCarran.
		McCarran.
		And we had no luck there.
		And then finally, we got the number for Edwards Air Force Base.
		That was my next thought, that surely they would be tracking it at Edwards.
		And I got to the control tower at Edwards and did not identify myself on purpose.
		This is kind of a funny story.
		And the fellow said, no, we're just in the tower.
		We don't have radar here.
		We optically observe from the tower, which I find also strange.
		Surely there must be radar at Edwards.
unidentified		Government cutbacks couldn't cut back that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		The fellow was very nice, and at the end he said, by the way, what's your name?
		And I said, my name's Art Bell.
		And he said, oh, I know you.
		Which is why I didn't give my name in the first place.
		So there you got it.
		It was cylindrical.
		I'd hesitate calling it a saucer, but it was certainly in that shape.
		It was glowing intensely and moved very, very fast.
		And then when it finally decided that it was going to gain altitude, it went up and became a dot and went poof and was gone, gone that fast.
		So, as well as tracking to the south.
		So those movements, you know, I thought, well, maybe this jet somehow let out a flare as they do, you know, for practice or whatever.
		But that was no flare.
		And here's what I would like to do, if I can.
		I would like to allow any of you to ask any questions you have.
		But most of all, you know, it was Memorial Day.
		So I figure a lot of people had to be out barbecuing, enjoying the day.
		And because of the altitude that all of this occurred, it seems to me that it would have been seen widely, maybe in Las Vegas.
unidentified		Mount Charleston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mount Charleston, probably west into parts of California, maybe into the Yelk Valley.
		You know, I really don't know.
		But at that kind of altitude, all of this should have been obvious to more than just the two of us.
		We were dumbfounded, I guess is the right word.
		So, if I can, for just a little while here, folks, either allow you to ask questions of either one of us, but most of all, I want to restrict two lines, please.
		The first time caller line, for anybody who also saw this same object.
		If anybody out there saw this same object, we really want to know about it.
		And the west of the Rockies line would be the next logical one to restrict.
		So I'm also going to restrict that.
		And we're only going to do this for about a half hour.
		But what we saw was really intense, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		To say the least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So west of the Rockies, it's 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		So there you've got it for whatever it's worth.
		We saw it.
		It was real.
unidentified		Rather bothersome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't like those things.
unidentified		No, you know I don't like that.
unidentified		But I guess what bothers me more than anything else is that you're usually prepared to see something like this at night, but never in broad daylight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, never in broad daylight.
		That's right.
		And it is the first object of its sort I have ever seen in broad daylight.
		At night, it would have been acceptable.
		It would have been dramatic, but acceptable.
		It would have just been a light.
		But gosh, this was very serious.
		And I have a hard time believing that the radar installations didn't see it.
		Or I have also a hard time believing that somehow maybe I didn't connect with the right person at Edwards.
		So I guess a second appeal might be to any air traffic controller in either Las Vegas or Adnellis.
unidentified		Hughes Tower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hughes Tower, maybe.
unidentified		Sky Tower Airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any of them.
unidentified		Yeah, it could have been seen in any of those airports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It was again at 11.40.
		I guess we probably watched through 11.50 in total, probably about 10 minutes.
		Those are Pacific times.
		So if anybody out there, air controller, or person knows anything about what occurred today, I would very, very much appreciate a telephone call.
		And once again, if the audience would please cooperate, I'm restricting two lines to anybody who actually either saw or knows about this object.
		West of the Rockies, 1-800-618-8255.
		And if everybody else would please just sort of lay back for a minute, we're going to try to find out if we can get some more witnesses.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
		That's where we started wrong.
		Love is good.
		Love can be strong.
		We got to get right back to where we started wrong.
		Do you remember that day?
		That's how you were there.
		When you could take my baby, no one could take your place.
		Get hurt, get hurt by the little things I say.
		I can put that smile back on your face.
		When it's all right and it's coming on, we gotta get right back to where we started.
		Oh, you can dance, you can die.
		We gotta get hurt, get hurt by the little things I say.
		See that girl, watch that sea, dig and dance and scream.
		I cannot go looking up for a place to go.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		I am Art Bell, and my wife, Ramona, is with me.
		Kind of an unusual circumstance, but the whole day has been really a strange day.
		And by the way, oh, I guess I better not say that.
		I was about to say I have some evidence of the phone calls I made, but I will leave it at that.
unidentified		I have some evidence of the phone calls I made, but I will leave it at that.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End All right, once again, my wife, Ramona, is present and accounted for.
unidentified		Here I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to take some calls and see if anybody else out there saw anything like what we just spent the last 20 minutes describing.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in southern New Mexico.
		My name's Tracy.
		Deputy Sheriff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Tracy.
unidentified		When I was listening to you a little earlier, it kind of struck a note with me, and I seen something very similar to what you said you saw yesterday.
		You said you were trying to think just exactly what it was.
		It was close to noon, I think.
		But we live in some high-density air traffic, east-west lanes go out on the top of where we're at.
		And we used to see an aircraft all the time in contrails, but this particular contrail was going from east to west.
		And it happens quite often.
		They launch missiles from White Sands over to California.
		I'm not sure where they land, but somewhere up there.
		But this was an unusual contrail in that it was double.
		And I think that's what really caught my interest to begin with.
		And as I watched it, it was a very fast aircraft.
		That's what really struck me.
		It was very high.
		I don't know how to judge the altitude, but it was way up there, higher than the normal traffic would be.
		And at a point which would be just almost at 12 o'clock right over the top of my head, I noticed another bright object, but this object was stationary, which really startled me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
unidentified		And what happened was, what really struck me as strange is this object began to backtrail the contrail.
		In other words, it began to travel from west to east.
		In other words, Contrail was going from east to west, but it was backtracking from west to east.
		It went that way for some distance.
		And then what appeared to me, it looked to me, and it was very difficult for me to tell just exactly what happened.
		It happened so fast, but it went, it acted like it veered towards the south, at an extremely high rate of speed.
		And it just wasn't a very unusual thing.
		I thought it was unusual to see aircraft contra.
		I don't know whether there's aircraft or whether there's a missile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a deputy sheriff?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, do we appreciate yourself?
unidentified		We sure do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very, very much.
		Thank you very much, sir.
		So there you are.
		There's one, folks.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Guy in Roseville, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Guy.
unidentified		Hi.
		I may have seen what you saw on a different day.
		I'm a musician.
		I was traveling down from Jackpot, Nevada, which is the upper right-hand corner of the state, down to Hawthorne.
		Unfortunately, we went down 306 and we're detoured and got stuck with a flat.
		It was around 10 or 11 p.m. on May 12th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At night?
unidentified		Yes.
		And where I live, sir?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate this report, but we're looking for something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're looking for confirmation of what we saw earlier today, actually, in our time zone.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your report, but thank you very much.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		I couldn't understand which line was on.
		I was listening to everyone else.
		Thank you for taking my call.
		My name is Fran.
		I'm in more or less the middle of Arizona in the Verde Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		During the day today when I was supposed to be paying attention to what I was supposed to be paying attention to working outside building a fence, started watching in broad daylight, a very bright glowing object at a very high altitude parked up there, stationary.
		There were the two contrails running roughly east-west, maybe at a diagonal a little bit, and this thing started moving.
		It was swinging just like it was on a pendulum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's exactly right.
		Now, see, we hadn't said that, but I saw that too.
		Did you, Han?
		Kind of moving as it was stationary, but it was sort of...
		And climbing like crazy.
unidentified		But the swinging, that I guess I wasn't paying that much attention to it, except to try to keep it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of hard to notice, as you look, for example, with binoculars, you're swinging a little bit.
		So it's hard to say whether it was precisely stationary or moving a little bit, man.
		But go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, and I didn't have any glasses or anything to be able to see any better, and the light down here is intense anyway.
		But it was very prominent.
		You could really see it in glow.
		My goodness, the thing stood out like a sore thumb.
		It was really up there, and it was backtracking, and pretty soon at a great rate of speed took off toward the northeast along these double contrails.
		And after just a little while, this started in, or I noticed it anyway, at about five minutes after 11.
		I stood there and watched and watched from about 5 after 11 until a quarter to 12.
		And after, oh, probably 10 minutes or so, this one object was joined by four others.
		And there were four more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did not see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, of course, you are west of us.
unidentified		Yeah, there were four more up there.
		And the upshot of the thing was it was like a bunch of bird dogs tracking.
		And they were in this swinging mode like they were suspended on a string and swinging back and forth.
		And pretty soon they got into a tight cluster.
		And you could see this whole bunch of glowing objects.
		And they were backtracking along this contrail.
		And then pretty soon it was as if somebody clapped their hands and startled them all.
		And the whole mass of five took off more or less in a tight clutch toward, let's see, it'd be our southeast at a great rate of speed and very high altitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, look, we very, very much appreciate your report.
		Thank you.
		We saw only one object.
		And as I say, this thing was glowing.
		I mean, not just a little bit, but a lot.
		Like there was a field about it or, you know, I couldn't tell you what would make that glow.
unidentified		It couldn't be a reflection, but it looked like someone shining a flashlight off a mirror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly right.
		That bright.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
unidentified		I live in Henderson, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, and I was at 1138 this morning, I was up on Black Mountain looking at my new house that's getting built.
		And it so happens to be just east of Sky Harbor Airport.
		And I've basically got a view of the whole Vegas Valley.
		Right.
		And you see jets all the time.
		And what you may have seen is like these commercial jets that come out of San Diego and L.A. I see them all the time up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it was not commercial.
		I was able to resolve it with the binoculars, and it was clearly military.
		You know, I couldn't call the kind of jet, but it was a small military jet.
unidentified		Okay, so it was small.
unidentified		You know, what I seen this morning was, you know, I was having trouble with the sun where I was catching, if you know where the second set of aerials is up on Black Mountain, it's the ones that would be west toward you, toward Podic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been there.
unidentified		Okay, you've been there, yeah.
		Probably so.
		So, but, yeah, I saw what you seen, but what I saw was really it was more a flat, gray, kind of silver look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it did look silver.
unidentified		It was kind of more of a flat look.
		I was having more trouble with the sun maybe than you were.
		But we moved to the shade when we first noticed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we moved into the shade of the house, right?
unidentified		Yeah, we moved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you saw the object, the cylindrical object?
unidentified		Yeah, and to me, it didn't have round corners, but it was long and rectangular, cindicular, and it was really tailing pretty far behind whatever the jet was.
unidentified		And as it went toward you, toward the northwest, over Pas Potic and over Mount Charleston, it seemed to speed up a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, you got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
unidentified		Yeah, and what trouble I had was as it moved toward the northwest, we had quite a bit of construction dust where I was up in the Sun Ridge and Green Valley Ranch, and I kind of lost sight of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		It is, without a doubt, the second great sighting of my life.
		Excuse me, of our lives, yeah.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Clint in Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Clint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're trying to hold this line open, Clint, for people who saw what we saw.
unidentified		I understand, and I'll say right off the bat that I didn't, but I may be able to educate you a little bit about the apparent ignorance of the air traffic controllers as to what you saw or that they weren't controlling or were unaware of the traffic that you saw.
		Okay.
		If the high-speed jet traffic that you saw was at any altitude at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big altitude, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		And if it was high enough to be Conan, it would not have been under the control of a tower controller.
		It would have been under the control of what they call an ARTCC, which when you hear it on the radio, they refer to it as center.
		You know, an airliner will call Los Angeles Center or Seattle Center or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's one of the appeals I'm making.
unidentified		i appreciate your input on it so somebody at one of those centers If it was over southern Nevada like that, it would have been Los Angeles Center.
unidentified		And if it was working towards the northwest, like you said, it would have eventually worked into Oakland Center's airspace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, maybe somebody at one of those centers saw something or knows something and can help out.
		Thank you very much.
		He's exactly right.
		And if anybody in one of those disciplines, you know, air traffic controllers or at one of the centers can help us out, I would appreciate it.
		Now, you can send me email at artbell at aol.com.
		You can fax this, particularly if you saw this, we would enjoy getting a fax.
		This was a non-trivial daytime, serious sighting, and I guess we sat and talked about it for about the rest of the day.
unidentified		Yeah, we did.
		And to be very honest with you, this is something that we don't go out.
		We don't solicit this.
		We don't go out seeking UFOs or anything else.
		We don't know if it was or not.
		But to be honest with you folks, it disturbs me greatly to have to say it.
		You know, because these are the things I accept this anyway as something that will occur in our lifetimes.
		You know, there will be some kind of encounters with things that you don't understand.
		And if I can be accepting of it, but yet be disturbed like this, I can imagine what it's going to do to people who see it and don't accept it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I experienced what I think a lot of other people experience who have seen these things.
		You know, you get on the phone and you start calling people and you get absolutely nowhere fast.
		And I didn't want to use my name.
		It was kind of humorous.
		I didn't want to use my name simply because of the kind of program that I do that deals with this kind of material.
		So I didn't use my name.
		And the guy at Edwards, at the end of the conversation, said, you mind if I ask your name?
		And I said, Art Bellin.
		He said, oh, I know you.
		I used to listen to you in Alaska.
		So that came out of the blue, as well as the object we saw.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art, my name is Ron, and I've got a little bit of a shocker for you.
unidentified		We saw about four or five of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When?
unidentified		Tonight.
		I went with four guys to go camping in two different vehicles.
		We went up to Zion, and we were coming back tonight.
		And just probably about 20 miles away from what is it, Glendale?
		Yes.
		We noticed a green flash, like what happened about three or four weeks ago.
		And the car in front of me, which was my friends, I didn't know if they saw it or not.
		And I thought, well, if I pull them over and tell them, they'll think I'm crazy.
		But long story short, we pulled over to the side, and it has to have been like North Nell's Range or something, because we saw these objects that were like just floating, I don't know, maybe it looked like a couple hundred feet above the ground.
		And there was two of them.
		Well, actually, there was three at first, and then one of them kind of disappeared, and as it was leaving, it had a red flashing light.
		And I looked at it and I said, that's not an airplane, that's not a helicopter, and there's no noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well, I appreciate the report.
		It's not the same object, but maybe there is now an indication of a wider sudden group of sightings that are going on.
		And, you know, so I don't discount what he said.
		You know, it's not the same object, obviously.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello there, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		I'm calling from Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Honolulu?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, did you...
unidentified		could you...
		It's R6413, and that is the new Area 51.
		And if you look at the very front cover of this month's popular material, We've dealt with it already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		By the way, as far as I'm concerned, they have not moved Area 51.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening.
unidentified		Calling from Vancouver C Fund?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I saw the craft that was leaving the two jet streams or whatever you want to call them.
		Did you get a good look at that?
		Or was that more of a missile from what that fellow was saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand what you mean.
unidentified		He's talking about the original craft that we were looking at leaving the side trails.
unidentified		Yeah, I saw it about 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way up there.
unidentified		Yeah, well, at first there was something, there was like lights.
unidentified		You know the sound on our stage when the lights go on, like a poof?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		Well, there was about four of those, and it was cloudy overhead, but there was a sunset in the west, and that's where the lights were.
		Then all of a sudden, over top, it was like I couldn't see the craft, but I mean, and it was very low, Art.
		It was about maybe 500 feet above.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is an entirely different sighting then, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yes.
unidentified		I was sitting on my deck this afternoon.
unidentified		I'm in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I was sitting on my deck, well, it was like early, maybe late morning, 11 or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I heard this really loud jet.
		Okay?
		And I've been here 11 years, and I've never gotten up to look for a jet.
		And I stood up and I'm looking around the sky.
		We had a lot of clouds today.
		And I couldn't see anything, but it was just vibrating through the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, jets do fly, ma'am.
unidentified		Not here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		Not here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do fly in Colorado.
		Witness the A-10 that went down.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		We were out in Toronto today over on our little street called Savoy Boulevard.
unidentified		You'll know where that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		Okay, anyway.
		It was about 11.30, and gals were in the house watching Jenny Jones.
		Me and Laird come out and started getting barbecue ready.
		And we happened to look up, and he has a cheap set of binoculars.
		I wish he had some better ones, but we've seen the same thing.
		We told the wife about it when they came out, and they thought we'd been reading too many bug riders, but we hadn't even started yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you see, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you here in Prompt now?
unidentified		I'm in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Las Vegas.
unidentified		We have friends in Prump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What exactly did you see?
unidentified		Well, I'm a person that likes to just look up all the time and watch aircraft.
unidentified		I seen what appeared to me to be a military aircraft, just like you described.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And then what appeared to me to be just a silver round thing, maybe, I don't know, from the distance, maybe the size of a football field.
		Take off or sit for a few moments.
		And then we looked back at the jet, and there was a second one there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we didn't see a second one.
unidentified		Yeah, it was like was hiding behind the jet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we didn't see that.
		Pardon?
		We did not see that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We stood and watched the jet for quite a while.
unidentified		Yeah, it was going, but the cylinder, like the distance it was, we figured me and Laird decided it had to be the size of a football field, and it was kind of round in shape and silver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was all that for us, too, and glowing, but I sure wouldn't say football field.
unidentified		You know, this is very unusual because he could have very easily seen a multiple because we were just concerned with one object after the aircraft.
unidentified		And when you're trying to track one small thing up in the sky and concentrate on that, you're not paying attention to everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		We were intently watching that particular area.
		So there you are.
		And I think, you know, we've been able to take a few phone calls, obviously not many.
		The best way to proceed, I think, with this, of course, I called Peter Davenport immediately at the Seattle UFO Reporting Center and gave my own report.
		But the best way, I think, to proceed with this now is to invite any of you who actually saw this object, the same one we saw, to fax us or email us or send us a letter or whatever.
		Again, the fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
unidentified		And do you have anything to add?
		Yeah, well, you know, don't bring me back on here for another incident like this.
		I mean, it's all right.
		I like being on the air with you, babe, but not under these circumstances.
		I mean, you know, it's a little pressing for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how long ago did we see that other thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So long ago?
unidentified		It would be almost four years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost four years.
		So there you go.
		I'm going to soon be 52 years old, and this is the second object I've seen in my whole life.
		And I won't make you say your age, but I think it's only the second one you've seen in.
unidentified		Yeah, same here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there you are, folks.
		No question about it.
		We really saw a beaut today, Memorial Day, so I suspect a lot of the rest of you saw it as well, and we would like confirmation.
		Thanks, hon. All right, that's it, folks.
		We're going to break, and then I've got something coming up for you after the top of the hour.
		Weird Times at the Old Homestead.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
		Coast AM from May
		27, 1997.
		Coast AM from May 27, 1997.
		Coast AM from May 27, 1997.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired May 26, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to those of you who are just joining us.
		We spent the past hour with my wife describing a sighting that we had of a UFO, a very serious UFO, earlier today at about 11.40 in the morning.
		Now, I just want to respond to several of the faxes that came in, which said, where the hell was your camera?
		And actually, it's interesting because I just now began reflecting on that.
		At the time, I thought there was no point because I've got a good 35 millimeter camera, but it does not have enough zoom to it to have been meaningful, to have captured anything except a light.
		Now, through the binoculars, it was clearly saucer-shaped, cylindrical, and glowing and very bright.
		And now that I reflect on it, if I'd thought about it at the time, I do have an 8mm video camera, which will zoom like 30 or 60 times.
		And I should have thought of that.
		I didn't at the time.
		I mean, it was the whole event took about four minutes.
		And so, what do I say?
		I should have thought of the video camera.
		I didn't.
		I stood transfixed with my wife as we watched this.
		In a moment, we're going to move on to other things.
unidentified		In a moment, we're going to move on to other things.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell We're going to go up into the upper Midwest, Wisconsin, and talk with a young fellow named John McKinnon.
		John was the manager of a television station in that area.
		John, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Good evening, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		It's morning, I guess it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to ask you to stay good and close to your phone, John.
unidentified		Okay, is that all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's much better, John.
		Keep it right up there.
		All right.
		All right, John.
		You were manager of Channel 13 in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin?
unidentified		That is correct.
unidentified		I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was.
		All right.
		What did you do?
		As manager there, explain the story, if you would.
unidentified		Well, we had basically a pretty dry format and, you know, political shows dealing with the governor of Wisconsin, interviews with state representatives and so on and so forth.
		And I wanted to inject a little bit more entertainment into this station.
		And, well, I've been a longtime listener of your show, Art, and I thought, well, I'm going to try to do something like Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, bear in mind, folks, this is a public station, PBS-like station.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a hybrid.
		Basically, a combination of PBS, and, of course, we do get some local production here.
		So we reach a variety of audience.
		We try to keep the station within the confines of attracting viewers in the immediate vicinity of our area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How was the station supported by donation, PBS?
unidentified		It was actually funded by a group, I'm not sure if I should mention the cable station, by a cable entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So it was funded by them, and I don't want to mention any names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, no, that's fine.
unidentified		No need to.
		And then the city and the government was given that money in turn, and then we were, they'd been working for some 15, 12, I guess maybe it was 12 years, around 12 years to get this station off the ground.
		Nine months ago, they hired me to get it off the ground, and nobody thought it would work.
		But we finally, we did get this thing off the ground, and it became quite popular.
		In fact, it had, from all, you know, my estimations had at times actually outrated the local networks, even in prime time, because of the kind of programming we were putting on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all right what exactly were you doing uh...
unidentified		you said you were a bit of absurd to a t_v_ version of what i was doing here His name is Billy D. He's very well known in this area who has claimed to have been abducted by a UFO.
		Now, let me preface this with, I'm very conservative.
		I'm a lifelong Irish Catholic.
		I have never seen a UFO.
		And like your wife, I don't want to see a UFO either.
		I'm not interested in it.
		And I was very skeptical about Billy Dee, and the board of directors of this channel was very skeptical about having Billy Dee on this station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They didn't much like your doing that sort of thing.
unidentified		They specifically said that it was not a good idea, but I went ahead and did it anyway, because I had an opportunity to talk to this gentleman.
		And much to my surprise, the credibility of his story and the emotion that he told it with, and he was very articulate, just left me with little doubt that he believed every word he said.
		whether or not i believed it with not anybody's you know uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		is not really anything any of my business i don't A series of shows with this guy?
unidentified		Well, I started, I only did two shows with him.
		I did only two shows with this guy, and the thing hit the front pages of newspapers in the Midwest, was put over the AP wire, and God only knows how far it went from there.
		I know it went as far as Madison, Wisconsin, and parts of Iowa and things like that.
		And I only did two shows with him, and then that resulted in Billy Dee doing shows in St. Louis, Missouri, Syracuse, New York, and even Tom Brokaw's NBC Nightly News people started to do a show on him, but was very, very oddly interrupted by some frequency problem that they were having at the time, and that's going to have to be rescheduled.
		But I'd done two shows of that.
		Now, I'm the general manager of a television station, and I only planned on interviewing Billy D once, but I figured I'd have him back again, and it just became too intrusive on my job.
		I would go out of the door, and it wouldn't matter if I was at the bakery or the bank or getting a hamburger or something.
		Everybody thought I was the interviewer of the Billy D, you know, above and beyond with Billy D, not the general manager of the station.
		So I had to duck out of that position and replace him, replace myself with another interviewer.
		So this other interviewer was getting the same kind of response.
		I mean, it was almost phenomenal, the kind of response he got.
		The local Fox affiliate was considering doing, putting him on the air to reach a market that would have been over a million people.
		and uh...
		it just got out of control and he deserved a larger market than ours which is considerably smaller than that uh...
		and uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i i didn't really want to be attached Right.
unidentified		Well, this is actually, it became a big TV station.
		It shouldn't have been.
		It had no business being a big TV station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was VHF, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was Channel 13.
unidentified		Right, right.
		It had no business being a big TV, but it turned into a big TV station because I thought, hey, you know, I'm going to follow Art Bell's format.
		But I would warn any general manager and any station in this country to be very eerie of doing things like that because this resulted in actually one of my guests, not the UFO show that was on here,
		but one of my guests that I was going to do about two days before I was fired, or terminated, as they so kindly called it, I was going to do a show with a gentleman right down the coast, I guess right down the lake from here.
		And he received death threats.
		So you've got to be really careful about dealing with this kind of material.
		It was absolutely incredible the kind of response we were getting.
		And not only that, I didn't want to be associated with UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		I haven't seen one.
		I didn't want to be associated with it.
		And I'm not sure that I'll believe in an alien until it comes up and kicks me in the shin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm with you, actually.
unidentified		Well, I'm telling you something.
unidentified		There is something very strange going on out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so let's move on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did a program, a several-hour interview with Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
unidentified		Right, and I heard that, and I had seen the following, either it was before or the following day, something on hard copy which had made Elizabeth Clare Prophet look like fanatic.
		Now, this was the straw that broke the camel's back for my station and for this job that I was holding as general manager slash program coordinator.
		Now, I had an interview with Elizabeth Clare Prophet, and I found her to be a lovely lady with sort of an intensified beauty and gift for life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly how I found her, too.
unidentified		And I couldn't make her look bad.
unidentified		I thought, you know, I'll try to get in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you couldn't fairly make her look bad now.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can come on, as some of the tabloid shows have, and you can do a story that is negative.
		It can be done.
		I mean, let's face it.
unidentified		Well, yeah, you certainly could have.
		But I wanted to follow the Art Bell format.
		I wanted to give these people a fair shake, a fair shot, without interjecting my preconceived notions that I've grown up with all my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You know, and I don't care if somebody believes in reincarnation, Zen Buddhism, if they're Muslims, if they're not.
		Yes.
		It doesn't matter to me.
		That was not my business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you go to Montana and interview her?
unidentified		No, I did a phone interview with her, and I was going to insert her face when she was talking in other B-rolls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got you.
unidentified		Okay.
		And I had that day said to one of my board of directors members, I said, I had this fantastic interview with Elizabeth Claire Prophet, and she was fantastic.
		She was quite a lady, and her husband's from Wisconsin, and this is something else.
		And she really came off great.
		I'm telling you, that really, really did it, because this is my feeling.
		And I have to say that this is my opinion, because if I don't, then I'm hurting myself in terms of libel or whatever.
		But it's my opinion that that board of director turned around and said, this guy is out of control.
		He's interviewing Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
		He's got this Billy Dee thing going all over the Midwest, all the way to the East Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in addition, I think you had followed up on another one of my guests, Charles Osman.
unidentified		Oh, well, Charles Osman is actually a friend of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		I had worked in a, I was director of multimedia productions at a software company in Berkeley, California, and had the opportunity to meet Charles a number of times.
		And I wanted to, of course, after I heard him on his show, I was like, oh, my God.
		Well, yet Charles is very difficult to understand, and his conversation and discourse is very Right.
		And he actually speaks a different language than just about as he does.
		However, he's brilliant.
		And I thought if I could distill this and put it in layman's terms within the framework of a documentary, that I would be doing a great thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So here you were, Charles Ossman, Billy Deeds, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, and your board of directors.
unidentified		They just couldn't.
		well they couldn't take it away even though the ratings were soaring they were They were outrageous.
		They were outdoing local networks in prime time, in my opinion, from what I could observe.
		There was not a single person that had any kind of, if they had Channel 13, they watched Channel 13 the night that Billy D was on or the night that this sort of above and beyond investigative reports was on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		they would watch that that's all there it was not going like crazy but the board of directors going crazy and uh...
unidentified		they they can't you but they didn't just I had just got done doing a public service thing for the YMCA, and it's the middle of the day, and they had walked in and handed me a two-sentence note that said, as of May 7th, your contract is terminated.
		They didn't give me any reasons.
		Now, this raised quite a ruckus in the press.
		It made the front page of the Green Bay Press Gazette.
		It made the front page of the Doer County Advocate.
		I just got to say that they're fair papers, and they were thinking, well, you know, this guy was getting some kind of press before this.
		And I was, and we were.
		This channel was doing very well in getting great press really all over the Midwest before this happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So somebody handed it to you, and I'm sure you must have said, why?
unidentified		Well, I said, why?
		Yes, I couldn't believe it.
		My jaw dropped down to the ground.
		I mean, given the success of a channel that had little or no chance of surviving without some sort of entertainment formula.
		And so, you know, it wasn't just some people, it was the city manager.
		And two of the members of board of directors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The city manager came to fire you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The city manager?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And two members of the board of directors.
unidentified		Right.
		And they came in and handed me this note, and I just couldn't believe it.
		So I had to call my attorney and say, well, what do I do now?
		And he said, well, don't give them the keys to the studio.
		And I said, well, I said to the city manager and the two board of directors, well, I can't give you the keys.
		My attorney's advised me against it.
		Well, they had the police of chief apparently was about two minutes away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The police chief.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		The police, in this guy, how he ended up being two minutes away is I'm speculating about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An amazing coincidence, huh?
unidentified		Well, I don't think so.
unidentified		That guy was in there like in about two seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now you've got the chief of police coming in.
unidentified		Right.
		The police chief grabs the phone out of my hand, hangs up on my attorney, and then says, you either give me those keys to this studio or you're going to be arrested right now.
		Well, I gave him the keys to this studio because I didn't want to be, of course, you know, I didn't want to spend any time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't want to go to jail.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got you.
unidentified		So I gave him the keys to the studio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And left.
unidentified		And left, and now, then they confiscated all my tapes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Including the Elizabeth Clare Prophet interview?
unidentified		The Elizabeth Clare Prophet tape, to the best of my knowledge, is at the police department right now as we talk.
		What?
		I am not kidding.
		It is absolutely remarkable.
		And what they had done is not only beyond all this, they had just yanked the plug to the station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean they turned it off the air?
unidentified		Off the air.
		It was black.
		There was nothing on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For how long?
unidentified		For at least four days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four days?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The station went dark for four days.
unidentified		Four days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, after you left the premises, they just went and turned the switch off.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
unidentified		That was it.
		That was it.
		You know, and it was really, you know, I love God country and in the case of Door County, Wisconsin, Cherry Pie, and my mom and dad.
		But something is peculiar going, something very peculiar about this kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and here may come the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The station then came back on the air after four days.
unidentified		And ran church services.
unidentified		And that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean that's all they run now?
unidentified		They do an occasional some sort of video thing about how to make your own video thing and church services, and that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I had to guess, I would guess, and I said this to you earlier today on the phone, that you ran into a board of directors full of fundamentalists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's just a guess.
unidentified		Well, I just, you know, I just can't, you know, all I can say is I really enjoyed your show.
unidentified		And the general population, the general community has been incredibly, incredibly supportive of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John, maybe there's some people that know about this.
		If there are, I sure would like to hear from them.
		Hold on, John.
		Our East of the Rockies line is 1-800-825-5033.
		Particularly if you're aware of this situation, John McKinnon is my guest.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from May 27.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
		My guest is John McKinnon.
		John is way up in, let's see, where?
		Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin.
		He tried to do a TV version of what I'm doing here on the radio, and the police arrived and took the keys, turned the station off the air.
		And it's actually quite an amazing story.
		John's now out of a job.
		It was Channel 13 up there.
		And if you know anything about this or have any comments on it, I have one line available only.
		We'll scratch that.
		That one's gone, too.
		We'll get back to John and your calls in a moment.
unidentified		John and your calls in a moment.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from May 27, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, summing up, here's John McKinnon, manager of Channel 13, up at a place called Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin.
		And he began to run some programs that were modeled after my program, except for TV.
		And they fired him.
		Not only did they fire him, but the police came in, took away the keys, hung up on his attorney, and turned the station off the air.
		And then when it came back, it was running religious services.
		John, is that about right?
unidentified		That's absolutely correct, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any chance that you're going to be able to get your interview back?
unidentified		Yes, I have an attorney working on it.
		Now, I'm not a litigious person.
		I'd rather be sued than sue someone, frankly.
		But in this case, I do want my tapes back.
		And I think that Billy D deserves his tapes back.
		And there are a couple tapes in there that I had produced when I was in California and in New York and even when I wasn't even in Wisconsin that I really do want back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they took it too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean they took all of them?
unidentified		All of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, what, you know, I gave you my assessment or what I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think happened?
unidentified		Geez, Art, I don't know.
		I've heard so many different things.
		I've heard Billy D was suspected that they had been tipped by people that said, hey, you know, get this guy off the air before he does some damage in terms of covert operations, which I'm very suspect of because I'm not a conspiracy-oriented person.
		But after all that this is all that's happening, I'm starting to be a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're getting to wonder, huh?
unidentified		Well, yeah, it's a little peculiar.
		One of my guests that I was going to have on the show declined to be on the show because of a death threat.
		I mean, not only was he threatened with a death threat, but his niece and nephew out on the West Coast were also, quote-unquote, targeted.
		The whole thing is so out of sync with the way things had been going with the station that...
		I've been in constant communication trying to get some of the tapes back with them, doing everything I could to stay out of litigation.
		But then the newspaper did my job for me.
		They got the Wisconsin State Attorney General to force them to hand over the reasons why I had been fired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you have that list?
unidentified		Well, I don't have the list with me.
		It was finally released at 4.30 on Friday afternoon before the paper could publish it.
		And I was told by the reporter, Mike Shaw, from the Door County Advocate, that it appeared to be written out at the last moment.
		Well, did he?
		He handed them a handwritten notice that said something like, shows had been cut off a minute short or some technical problem or something like that that appeared to be completely, you know, as part of, you're in this business, you know that you have technical difficulties at times.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they tried to say that you would cut shows off or have technical troubles.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's why you got fired.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		Well, not too many people are buying it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Good morning.
		All right.
		My name is Eric.
		I'm in Chicago right now.
		I'm from Dork County.
		John, I can explain to you exactly what went wrong, what happened.
		Okay.
		Doer County, as you know, relies heavily on tourism.
		And it's not just statewide tourism, it's nationwide.
		It's worldwide, actually.
		And they don't want anything tarnishing that.
		I have family up there that own businesses.
		It is a complete mom-and-pop, strawberry pie, all-American red, white, and blue tourism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but how does it happen?
unidentified		Well, there's more to it than that, right?
		There's more to it.
		You can spend an entire week on stories from Doer County alone.
		I mean, it's just phenomenal what happens up there.
		I've lived in Dork County, Texas, Colorado.
		I now reside outside of Chicago.
		Nowhere except Door County have all of my neighbors witnessed UFO activity.
		Now, you know, it could be the Air Force Base across the bay, only nights in the wintertime.
		It could be anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true, huh?
unidentified		It is actually true.
		I have heard from very credible people, not just Billy Dee, who I think, but just regular old folk who have said they've seen a lot of activity here in northeastern Wisconsin.
		Now, John, did Billy Dee show you or did you get footage of the medallion?
		Yes, the medallion, are we talking about some sort of satellite thing that they brought in here to act as a diversion?
		Well, no, it's more of the gift.
		It was a little medallion that he was given.
		No, he didn't show me that.
		Okay.
		I had personally never seen it, but the rumors of these stories go back way back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but look, what I don't understand out of all of this is how do a few shows modeled after mine, shown on television there, result in somebody getting fired with the police coming in and shutting the whole station down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on, folks.
unidentified		Well, it's drawing all this publicity to Door County, and it's directly tied to Doer County, the Door County Advocate, the Green Bay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but why would that stop tourism?
unidentified		It's not the images they want.
		No, you also have to remember Peterson, I believe it's Peterson Builders.
		It's been a while since it's been up there.
		I mean, big naval contracts.
		There's also rumored to have a lot of retired FBI and retired CIA agents that live up there, if not full-time, then during the summer or the winter months.
		So, yeah, it's a very, it's a great place to retire.
		A lot of federal agents up there that are retired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, John's retired, just not the way he wanted to.
unidentified		No, but Art, I've come to know, I know, and I'm sure that you know, that this is a transient business.
		And if I can take a station that started off with no station and make it into something, then I'm employable elsewhere.
		And I'm not being litigious over trying to get my job back.
		I just really like those tapes back.
		And they have no reason to hold on to them, really.
		They're not going to show them.
		And this guy's right.
		The population booms from a population of something like 15,000 people here in the winter to over, well over a quarter of a million to half a million people in the summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's a lot of people, all right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm just outside Chicago.
		You know, I got relatives up there in Wisconsin.
		Last time I was visiting, they had mentioned something really kind of strange about the G on the Green Bay Packers helmet.
		It was the same G on the Heavensgate webpage.
		Actually, ironically, that is true.
		won the Super Bowl, and there's something, some weird story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get the whole thing, but...
unidentified		It's very, very strange.
		I haven't talked to them about it, but there was something weird there to tell me about it.
		I can't remember the story.
		Do you know anything about that?
		I think it's totally unrelated, but I did actually notice it.
		I'm not sure that it has anything to do with what's going on here.
		But yes, the Green Baybackers, I think, are completely disassociated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if you had done a story on that, Joe.
unidentified		Oh, well, I would have been run out of town.
unidentified		You wouldn't be living here now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have not yet been run out of town, I take it.
unidentified		Well, I really don't go out anywhere anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welsh of the Rockies, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Are you talking to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you.
unidentified		Okay.
		I just called because I heard you say you wanted confirmation on this story.
		And I study with Elizabeth Claire Poffitt, and we get faxes regarding media coverage that she gets.
		Yes.
		And so we had heard about this.
		I felt really bad about this fellow, and I wasn't really sure about the whole story because I was kind of falling asleep listening to you.
		But when I heard her name mentioned, I woke up.
		And so was he the one that was going to air a program every week on her?
		Is this the same fellow?
		No, actually, I was going to air it every week for four weeks.
		Yes, okay, you are.
		I was going to.
		I'm not anymore.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, ma'am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		She's going to rerun it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was going to run for all of four weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, all you were doing is what I did, and that is not a hatchet job on Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
unidentified		Well, I was giving her a fair shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all, right?
unidentified		Yeah, just a fair shot.
unidentified		I wasn't there to judge her or her beliefs, but actually, in the long run, I found her philosophy and her personality to be very humanistic and quite beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Life-affirming, actually.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, all right.
unidentified		The party capital of the world.
		Yep.
		John, the town that you were hosting the show in, is it kind of like a religious type town?
		No, it wasn't a religious.
		We did run only on Sundays had we run any kind of religious church services.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until after the station went off the air and then back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now it's almost all religion.
unidentified		I would say at least 90%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's almost all.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, see, my assumption is, number one, the reason that the police chief got involved could be due to the fact that possibly a show like you were having on the radio could cause some type of TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		TV.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry, TV.
		Could cause some type of panic in the town.
		Also, if it goes against their religious, if it's a religious town, it may conflict with their beliefs and their social standards or their ways of living.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this, sir, he was, for example, doing a show with Billy Dee, and he was talking about a guy who claimed abduction.
		That's not going to cause anybody to panic.
		Or, for that matter, a fair interview with Elizabeth Clint Prophet is not going to cause people to go running into the street screaming.
		These are not the things of which panic are made.
unidentified		Well, think about it, Art.
		I mean, if somebody walks outside their house and someone was abducted, okay, and say, for instance, you have the six-year-old with this town that's mainly a bunch of retirees, that's enough to cause some kind of concern, you know.
		Well, walking down the street with a walker, and all of a sudden a spaceship goes by, and all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so do you think you were panicking the people up there?
unidentified		Geez, I don't know if it was panic.
		I think that it made them feel very uncomfortable.
		And that's not really an excuse to deny somebody the First Amendment right to a public station.
		This was really a real adulteration of any kind of First Amendment rights.
		I wasn't taking any stance at all on these shows.
		I wasn't saying to people, go out and believe it.
		Oddly enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even I believe or anything else.
		You were just doing interviews, just the way I do.
		Just doing interviews.
unidentified		Exactly what you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I had a long number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		West of the Rockies.
		Call the Wildcard Lines.
		Area 702-727-1295.
		I'm hoping you can't give us your last name, sir.
		You're David, and where are you calling from, David?
unidentified		From Nanamo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Oh, okay.
		Anyway, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		The whole thing with the TV station, it's just a case of censorship.
		It's totally unreasonable.
		Completely.
		You know, the police have absolutely no right to do anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, is that the way you I think it is unreasonable, Arge?
unidentified		I think that it is a.
		In my opinion, and I have to preface it with my opinion.
		My opinion is that this was the most unadulterated case of censorship that I have ever seen in my life, and frankly, somewhat reminded me of Germany in some earlier days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before that horrible moment of the police chief coming in and the two board of directors and who else?
unidentified		The city manager.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The city manager, that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before this critical moment, did they give you any warnings, counselings, you know, you better quit this kind of stuff?
unidentified		No, they never said you better quit this kind of stuff.
		I argued for it, and there were some heated discussions among myself and the board of directors, but there was never a direct order.
		Hey, stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stop it.
unidentified		If there was a direct order to do that, I would have stopped it.
		That's my job.
		My job was to listen to the board of directors and do exactly what they said.
		And I would have stopped it.
		I think that they were afraid to say, hey, stop it, because then they look bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that could be.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Dan from Arnold, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I must say, Zikr, this, in a way, sounds familiar.
unidentified		You remember when I gave my interview about somebody sticking a transmitter out in that field where our friend Ace and I had that encounter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't specifically remember that encounter.
unidentified		No, I know it's been a while ago.
unidentified		Well, it turns out that it was a religious station that had done this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That had done what?
unidentified		Where Ace and I had had our Bigfoot slash UFO encounter that the transmitter stuck out there.
unidentified		Ace had learned later that he said that he believed that a local station, which is a religious station, had put it out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean as a hoax?
unidentified		No doubt as a hoax.
unidentified		They had a transmitter put out there, which is weird because nobody remembers anybody ever coming out and actually constructing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I don't know what that has to do with the price of tea, but interesting.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hello there.
unidentified		I'm sorry to backtrack with you, but a few days ago you were talking about...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does this relate to my guest?
unidentified		No, it doesn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then call me when it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John McKinnon.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Rick Dan in Bootsy, Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, I've been listening to what you've been saying.
		I had a friend who was working for Martin Marietta up there at one time in Wisconsin.
		And she told me the same things about the area.
		She said it was basically very weird, very strange as far as people with UFOs.
		The only other UFO encounter she had ever had was in Pascagoula quite a few years ago about two men that were abducted earlier.
		And when she got up to Wisconsin, that was basically all they kept asking her about was this incident that happened in Pascagoula.
		And they all kept saying there was something similar up there, but then nobody would talk through any more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		So is there a, John, do you think there's a different attitude about this sort of thing up there?
unidentified		Well, people don't, they don't want to, they don't want to talk about it.
		And I was told specifically at our first board of directors meeting when I was first hired that Billy D was a joke and that nobody we should not allow Billy D to do any kind of television show on Channel 13.
		And then I met Billy D, and he's not a joke.
		The guy was very, very serious, and he had a very credible story, and he was very emotive, and I had a very difficult time disbelieving him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are you going to do now, John?
unidentified		Well, honestly, I don't know.
unidentified		If there's somebody out there looking for a good producer or program coordinator, they should get in touch with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they do that?
unidentified		Well, they can call me at 414.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you be careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		414 746-9725.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's area code 414-746-9725, right?
unidentified		Yes, and I'd like to continue this mode of investigative reporting, but I'm afraid I'm not sure that I would like to, but I'm not sure that it's prudent.
unidentified		And I empathize with the kind of press that you've gotten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you need a thick skin, John.
unidentified		I don't know if I have the kind of thick skin that you have.
		You've had to go through quite a bit in your pursuance of these kind of issues.
		And I can only congratulate you on your fortitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, John, I'm lucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have people who support me at the network who don't buckle to the kind of pressures that apparently your board of directors felt to be under or was under or whatever.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I'm hiding out in a cabin here in Wisconsin, and I'd like to get the hell out of here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hiding out in a cabin in Wisconsin?
unidentified		Pretty much.
unidentified		I'm not very happy about it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, how many people were under you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people worked for you at the TV station?
unidentified		Well, we had quite a few people who did, not very many paid people, but a lot of people who did it for internships and volunteer work and that kind of thing.
unidentified		Yeah, but like the gentleman from Chicago said, this area gets very active from people all over the world, and I find it a little ironic that they fired me just before, right, just before a summer, just before you get these hundreds of thousands of people converging on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds to me like there might have been a connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry it happened to you, John, and I hope you get some calls and get re-employed.
unidentified		Well, I hope so too, and say hi to Chris Kelly Formy and Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
unidentified		They're very good people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		There you have it, folks.
		That's John McKinnon, who tried to do a TV version of what I am now doing.
		Ended up with the police surrounding him.
		Turning the station off the air, Yikes.
unidentified		You're listening to our bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 26th, 1997.
		Coast AM from May
		Coast AM from May 27th, 1997.
		27th, 1997.
		Coast AM from May 27th, 1997.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring the replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		This probably is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says, a quick primer on ATC or air traffic control art.
		You were calling control towers to find out about your UFO and the high-altitude jet you saw.
		It is not at all unusual for them to be unaware of the traffic you were asking about.
		If it was at any altitude at all, and it was, it would have most likely been under control of an air route traffic control center, or ARTCC.
		In the case of your traffic, it would have been under the control of Los Angeles Center in radio communications.
		As it progressed to the northwest, it would have come under the control of Oakland Center, unless the traffic was going to land at one of the airports or Air Force bases.
		You called the tower controllers who would have been unaware of that traffic.
		In point of fact, if the traffic was above 30 or 3,000 feet AGL, it would not have been in the airspace controlled by Nellis or Edwards.
		You called the wrong people, while that figures.
		Also, 99% of the controlling that a tower controller does is done visually.
		Not all towers have radar screens in them.
		If they do, it is a repeater of the local approach control.
		I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
		Signed, Clint.
		Thank you, Clint.
		Yes, I'm sure you're exactly right.
		I have absolutely no idea what normally would be done.
		I just know what I saw.
		All right.
		We're going to go to open lines here shortly.
		Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
unidentified		Sounds of the game
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time All right, we're about to go to open lines.
		Again, the president in Europe right now, and it is very interesting that our president appears prepared to, nearly in an unlimited fashion, expand NATO.
		And I'm beginning to wonder what the nature of NATO is going to be.
		It's even going to include, to some degree, Russia and all of the ex-Soviet satellite nations.
		They'll be included.
		And slowly, NATO is becoming a worldwide organization.
		NATO, of course, originally formed to protect Europe, basically, against a Russian invasion that would come through the gap in Germany or something, or whatever else.
		But now we are expanding NATO to be what?
		Is my question.
		One world government?
		One world control of some kind?
		I don't know.
		The end of all wars?
		Well, I guess if everybody joins NATO, there wouldn't be any wars.
		I mean, that isn't the way the world really works, is it?
		So, what happens when everybody finally joins NATO?
		Then what is that organization exactly?
		The Mazarant volcano in the Caribbean is getting ready to let go again, maybe.
		It has been in constant ash eruption for the past 10 days, and it could either continue spewing ash or it could blow.
		Nobody knows for sure, so they're keeping a very careful, watchful eye on Muslims.
		So beyond that, I've got several other items, but I'm going to hold them, and I'm going to go to open lines here and let you say whatever you want to say, and I'll sort of drop the rest of this in as we go.
		There is one other item.
		This is a very interesting article indicating that in Japan, it's from a Japanese newspaper, a project reminiscent of Steven Spielberg's movie Jurassic Park is underway.
		A team of scientists there are going to attempt to bring prehistoric mammoths back from 10,000 years of extinction.
		This is no joke, folks.
		The team, headed by a professor of animal husbandry at Kagoshima University, plans to extract sperm from the bodies of mammoths buried in the Russian region of Siberia.
		Once the sperm has been extracted, they will use it to fertilize ova taken from living elephants.
		And in this way, they expect to be able to bring back the woolly mammoth.
		That's incredible!
		According to Godot, the research project is the first of its kind in the world and will take advantage of Japan's advanced technology in genetics.
		Researchers from the U.S. and Britain who have probes equipped with lasers are expected to join the search for the remains of mammoths, and Russian scientists are planning to take part in the effort as well.
		So, yesterday's science fiction becomes today's science reality.
		And we've done shows in the past that have speculated about doing this exact kind of thing.
		And now they're going to do it.
		So there you've got it.
		Watch out coming soon to a zoo near you from 10,000 years ago.
		A giant bully mammoth.
		And who knows what all else.
		Reminiscent of Jurassic Park?
		Oh my.
		And I sort of wonder if it's such a good idea.
		What do you guys think?
		In other words, if something has gone extinct, isn't there usually a good reason for it?
		What about the old, it's not nice to tamper with mother nature?
		In other words, to bring back an animal that today would have no natural predator and might be a predator itself, whether it be to vegetation that we currently have or other animals.
		Somehow, I've got this feeling that we're rushing in where angels and even God will not tread because the woolly mammoth does not seem to have come back on its own.
		And if we bring it back from 10,000 years ago, we're going to get ourselves into deep doo-doo.
		And that's just me and a little worry.
		And I don't know if it's a justified worry or not, but it's doing, in my opinion, God's work, except that we're not gods.
		And something like this is going to bite us in the butt.
		I just know it is.
		I just know it is.
		All right, there's one more item, and then I'm going to the phones.
		As you know, my book, I am so proud of it.
		It's called The Quickening.
		And the first printing came out about, what, a month and a half ago?
		And the first printing sold in two weeks.
		Like that, it was gone.
		And for a month, we had no books.
		The second printing has now arrived and is available now, as of right now, for immediate shipment.
		You can still get, even though it's the second printing, it is the first edition.
		It is a first edition copy, and you can get an autographed copy.
		What I'm going to do is, as I was doing when we had books before, and thank you all for buying them in such a tremendous frenzy, I was autographing books as fast as I could.
		I am going to continue to do that until I get tired of it.
	I've had a break, so it makes it a little easier.
	But I will tell you on the radio when I am no longer autographing books.
	It doesn't mean you can't get it.
	It just means you will not get an autographed version.
	So here they are, ready for immediate shipment.
	So I would be very honored to have you read this.
	It is a book that I had to write.
	One of those things that was easy because it just sort of poured out.
	And I would value your opinion and feedback on the book as well.
	And I'm not going to go into at this moment what it's all about.
	If you're a listener to this program, you know.
	So there you go.
	They're available until I say otherwise.
	Judging from the way the last printing went, I wouldn't wait.
	1-800-864-7991.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Vixie and Plato Berkeley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		As John is still listening, there's a committee called the Committee on Democratic Communications.
		It's the National Committee of the National Lawyers Guild.
		And he should get in touch with them at 558 Cap Street, CAPP, in San Francisco, 94110.
		Or he can call them at 555.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		Oh, Daniel at that phone number?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nope, not on the airship.
unidentified		Okay, but anyway, tell him to get in touch with them because they will give him good advice as to how to handle his case.
unidentified		His lawyer should get in touch with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
		Well, that sounds like a pretty fair idea to me, too.
		You know, I'm sorry to see it.
		I think that would not have occurred in the commercial marketplace.
		But I understand how it occurred with a board of directors and a publicly funded kind of deal.
		Still, it smacks terribly of censorship, and the manner in which it was done sounds rather unprofessional to me.
		In other words, you would expect a series of warnings of some sort prior to police chiefs coming in and all that sort of thing.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right.
		This is Bob.
		I'm listening to you on WTAM.
		Yes, sir.
		I don't know if anybody has brought this up to you, but before, you remember when that broadcast was with you and was on Strange Universe.
		It was dealing with Courtney Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Over here when they broadcasted over the TV.
unidentified		To me, it seemed like somebody was trying to jam the broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't know about that, and I don't even.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		It was strange.
unidentified		I mean, it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Akron, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Akron, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was your local Akron TV station or what?
unidentified		Yeah, it was one of the local stations.
unidentified		It was either a major mess up there at the, you know, a strange universe or somebody was trying to jam the audio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I saw the broadcast here and it came through clearly, so that would indicate that it was probably at your local station.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I was listening to it, and it was the audio part, and it was a radio station.
		I was unable to get the call letters or anything, but I did manage to figure out from the way they were talking.
		It was like a light rock FM station.
		It sounded like it was coming from Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty weird.
		I wouldn't know what to say about that.
		Here it was clear, so it was a local phenomenon, whatever it was.
		I watched the network feed.
		And as a matter of fact, I also saw the local feed on the UPN network from Las Vegas.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, sir.
		This is Bill from Cleveland Heights, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Bill.
unidentified		It was really nice hearing your wife tonight.
unidentified		She sounds obviously a very wonderful woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She is.
unidentified		My question is, is it true, I believe you said several nights ago, that you don't permit scripture to be read on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
unidentified		I see.
		You had Elizabeth Claire Prophet on several weeks ago.
		Yes.
		And she read two Hindu mantras on the air.
		That is correct.
		And you permitted that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
unidentified		Well, this sounds to me like a dichotomy here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a double standard?
		Yeah.
		It may well be.
		The reason I don't allow scripture read on the air, although I have allowed some guests to read scripture, I don't allow colors to read it, so that this doesn't turn into some sort of religious church service of the air, which I'm not going to allow to occur.
		So when I have a guest like Elizabeth Clare Prophet, or, for that matter, Christian guests that I've had, I have allowed at that time scripture quoting.
		In one instance, I even did it myself from Revelations.
unidentified		Do you think that Elizabeth Clare Prophet, her New Age philosophy is a religion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
unidentified		Well, Alice Bailey, you know, in the 1930s, oh, by the way, I meant to mention this to you.
unidentified		Your term, the quickening, that term was mentioned by a very famous Masonic philosopher, Manley P. Hall, back in the 1940s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Well, have you ever heard of Manley P. Hall, Arch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a 99th degree Mason, I'm unable to comment.
unidentified		You don't want to comment, do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, I didn't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've satisfied your suspicion, then.
		Oh, boy.
		My policy on scripture quoting is quite clear, I think, and it is that from the audience, I do not allow it.
		Otherwise, we get into the battle of the scripture quoters.
		Though from my guests, I have allowed it.
		That may seem a policy that doesn't make sense to you, but to allow it is to begin to get into a battle of scripture quoting since everybody interprets the Bible and Scripture in so many different ways.
		It is for Sunday at church, not on this radio program.
		So there are rare exceptions to the rule.
		I even broke it once myself.
		But as a general rule, I do not allow callers to quote scripture.
		That's name again.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, let me turn my radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
unidentified		Light my cigarette.
		artist person san diego uh...
		i wanted uh...
		mentioned that uh...
		when president clinton apologized to the black folks that have to go through those experiments Yeah, I never knew about that until that day, but I'm puzzled that anybody that was involved with that isn't going to be brought to justice if there's anybody alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are about eight survivors of it, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not heard of anybody being brought to justice.
unidentified		Well, they sure are trying to find those old Nazis that are hiding out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear you.
unidentified		And, you know, I don't care if they're on...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i know they must be pretty old i don't care if they're on In other words, we did not infect them.
		We simply did nothing to stop the infection.
		And it's a very thin difference indeed, but it is a bit of a difference from what the Nazis did.
		That does not in any way condone what was done.
		It was horrible.
		And somebody might even fairly suggest that it amounted to genocide.
		It was horrible.
		Horrible.
		I mean, they knew damn well what these men had, and ostensibly the reason for allowing it to go on was to find out what would happen when it went to terminal stage.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're excused.
unidentified		Who am I talking to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are you calling?
unidentified		Arbel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bingo.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't be sorry.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I've just been trying to get through to you for so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're through, so you better go ahead and say what you want to say.
unidentified		Well, I hate to go from such a serious subject she was talking about when he was talking about the dinosaurs.
unidentified		You've read 3001, haven't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No. 2001 and 2010.
unidentified		Well, there's in the second or third chapter, Arthur Secart writes about bringing back dinosaurs like they did in Jurassic Park.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that instead of having them as an amusement, he sort of forms, messes with their brains, tames them to be as servants of human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that I would want a tame or even try to tame a, say, a Tryonosaurus rex.
		Can you imagine that?
		I watch my cats and multiply that by about a million and imagine the scratch you'd get.
		I walk around wounded half the time anyway.
unidentified		You're listening to Heartbell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from May 27.
		Your Radio Network presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
		The night's program originally aired May 26, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Getting a lot of faxes from Alex in Phoenix.
unidentified		Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I observed a phenomenon very similar to what you saw today.
		I was passing some time in downtown Phoenix, and my attention was drawn to a high-altitude aircraft traveling east to west at about 2.30 p.m.
		The timing's wrong here.
		I was following along the contrail with my eye when I noticed a bright stationary spherical object near the contrail.
		Fixed my gaze on the bright stationary object for five minutes or so when I noticed a similar object moving toward the stationary object.
		As the second object neared the first, the second object became stationary and the first object began to move.
		I was able to keep these two objects in view for about 20 minutes before they seemed to gain in altitude and fade from sight.
		This is the second time I've seen this particular phenomenon.
		It was approximately six to eight months ago that I saw a single spherical silverish appearing object at a very high altitude during the day while I was looking in the same direction.
		That's east-southeast from downtown Phoenix.
		Your sightings seem to be very much in line.
		Well, yeah.
		It's true.
		I don't know what to make out of it.
		It was the second unknown, but definitely weird object that I've seen in my life.
		That makes two.
		I never thought I'd see one.
		Anyway, onward.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to the lines.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Nice to hear Ramona tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a reason.
unidentified		i understand that uh...
unidentified		you know she had a problem like no kid She kind of sounded a little bit like Robin Quivers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
		You know, it's funny.
		I just finished watching Howard's movie.
unidentified		Oh, did you like it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, I did.
unidentified		Well, you know, they got a big radio war going up here with Howard's third.
unidentified		He just came into town here last month or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'll create a war, all right.
unidentified		By the way, this is Carl in Minneapolis, and I'm the guy who gave you Silver Charm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that anybody, yes, sir.
		I think that anybody in radio or one of Howard's fans would definitely enjoy the show.
		I think that it was probably fairly faithful in terms of, I mean, obviously there was some embellishment, but otherwise, with regard to the way radio is, it was pretty faithful.
unidentified		Yeah, he seems like a nice, I don't know, he gets kind of, some of his stuff that he does is too wild for me, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right.
unidentified		Anyway, the reason I called, I was wrong about the date of the Belmont race, which is the third leg of the Triple Crown for the horse racing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, you were wrong about something?
unidentified		I was just wrong about the date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the first.
unidentified		No, actually, this is not the first.
unidentified		I also am the guy who told you that there'd be a comet one week after Hailbob went away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And I was wrong about that.
		So I'll take my lumps.
		But anyway, I am so sure that Silver Charm will win the Belmont and win the Triple Crown that I am inviting all your listeners who place a bet, and if they lose, send it to me and I will reimburse them.
		So my roommate's even laughing at you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure he is, and so am I. I'm serious, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're out of your mind.
unidentified		Well, that's how sure I am that they're going to win.
		Oh, my roommate said he's going to bet a million dollars.
		He don't have a million dollars.
		He's always borrowing money from me every week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't say things that, you know, be careful what you wish for.
		I mean, your roommate is absolutely right.
		Don't make such guarantees.
		You want to tell people who go out and bet on a silver charm, be my guest.
		But don't guarantee to refund their bets if you're wrong.
unidentified		Hold on, I'm on the radio.
		Hold on a second.
		Okay, I also would like to say to Danelle, I know she's listening, that Art Bell will never come to your house for dinner.
		Got over it, honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		You never know.
		You just never know.
		She said she'd let me smoke.
		That's a serious concession.
		He has been right about silver drum twice in a row now.
		And twice in a row, I have neglected to go and lay money down, which I can do legally here in Nevada.
		Even got a sports book right downtown from.
		You watch.
		I'll go down and make the bet, and it'd be the third time, and it won't be the charm.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is the D-Man from San Lucas County, KPRL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off, yeah.
unidentified		I had an experience happen about one year ago, sometime about this time of the year, in fact.
		And that's when I started listening to you, by the way, because it was strange and unusual.
		But I was outside about two in the morning, and I'm in the military.
		I've seen all kinds of things flash and flares and missiles and all kinds of stuff.
		You know, almost every type of plane, jet, helicopter there is.
		And I've never seen anything so fast.
		And it was pretty darn close, too.
		And it was green.
		It was the brightest green light I've ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Count yourself among the millions.
unidentified		I mean, does that sound out of the question from some of the reports you've heard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What question?
unidentified		Like, this green light, it's the strangest-looking green I've ever seen.
		They don't even use it.
		They ought to, because it's almost semi-stealth, you know.
		If you were at a far distance or flying low, that would be like the perfect color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you saw it at night, right?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that means it must have been lit up.
		That's not very stealthy.
		It's not very stealthy.
unidentified		Well, it was flying low, and there was a lot of mountains and stuff around.
unidentified		And it passed through them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Passed through them?
unidentified		Yes, and I thought it was like a meteor or something.
unidentified		I go, no, meteors are not that color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may have passed behind them and not through them.
		Count yourself among the millions, just like me, just like my wife.
		Millions of Americans that have seen things in the sky for which there is no rational nor a conventional explanation, period.
		They are there.
		That's not to say they're not ours.
		I cannot come to that conclusion.
		But I can tell you this.
		Either way, it's a big, big story.
		In other words, either we have things so far advanced that you would be shocked, surprised, and we all would, in our arsenal, or they are from somewhere else or some time else.
		Or, you know, who knows?
		Who knows?
		All I know is that millions and millions of Americans, in fact, even a majority, have either seen or definitely believed these things exist.
		Eternally, I suppose, we're going to have to wonder what they are.
		First time call our line, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, first of all, I want to say that I got your book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The quickening.
unidentified		The quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you made it all the way through?
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what, I picked it up the day I bought it.
		I brought it home.
		I started reading it at 6, and I finished at 10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four hours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four hours, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are a fast reader.
unidentified		Well, the book was fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was 330-some-odd pages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a fast reader.
unidentified		I think it was 375, something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's sitting in the other room.
		It's three.
		I think it's three.
		Well, I'll go look.
unidentified		But it was a great book.
		I enjoyed it tremendously.
		I have three friends at work that want to borrow it from me, and I told them, buy your own.
		I'm afraid I won't get it back.
		Number two, I told my father about you.
		By the way, my name is Mark, and I'm in West Hollywood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I told my father about you, and he lives in Michigan.
		He lives right outside of Detroit.
		You know what station he can pick you up at?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WCHR in Detroit, 1,200.
unidentified		1,200?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And they are due to increase power to 25,000 watts sometime in the next month or two, I believe.
		And so if he's not in the pattern right now, he will be shortly.
unidentified		Okay, what time would you be starting over there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a three-hour difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Detroit is East Coast, so it's 2 in the morning.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
unidentified		So, okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		One more thing.
unidentified		The guy you had on your show the other, just past weekend, Sean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Sean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sean David Morton.
unidentified		Did he say Hormosa Beats where his office is going to be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that's correct, yes.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		All right, well, I enjoy your show tremendously, and I really appreciate you being on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And I appreciate your call and your review of the book.
		I'm getting very good, very good reviews of the book.
		But, you know, I know it sounds conceited.
		I expected that.
		This is a book that had to be written.
		do you know what i mean when i say that this was not Autobiography and a lot of photographs in it and so forth and so on.
		This is a complete departure.
		A complete departure from the first book.
		And this just absolutely had to be written.
		It's one of those things that you didn't, in other words, I didn't set out, I thought I would never write another book because I'm not an author, or I guess I am now.
		But I'm not an author, and I had no desire to write another book until this finally built to the point where I had to do it.
		It was really one of those weird things where I had to prove what I was talking about.
		And without being able to sit here and detail it point by point by point by point, and prove what I was saying on the air, I thought the best way to do it was to put it on paper.
		And so I did.
		He read that book in four hours?
unidentified		Woo!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
		In fact, that's got to be some kind of speed reading.
		I'll go get a copy here in a minute, and we'll see how many pages there are, but it's like 300 and I thought it was 330 some odd pages.
		I could be wrong about that.
		I'm pretty sure I'm right.
		Any of the rest of you who have now read it and digested the material, I would very much welcome your comments.
		This book is going to cause a great deal of consternation and trouble when it sinks in.
		And, of course, the first printing just went absolutely gone, you know, in two weeks.
		I'm very thankful.
		The second printing is finally here.
		It's a first edition.
		It remains a first edition.
		And you can still get an autographed copy.
		But that's only until I get sick of signing books.
		So you should order now.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, actually.
unidentified		That's good.
unidentified		This is Ron from Tampa, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listen, I was listening to your Dreamland program Sunday night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I heard the call-in for the sightings over Palm Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		What was the outcome of that?
unidentified		I didn't get to listen to the rest of the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the initial report was on Dreamland, and Peter Davenport came on and explained what he was getting.
		I had a follow-up today that indicated the Palm Beach Sheriff's Department was evacuated due to a Hallion activation, completely evacuated within hours of all those sightings.
		So I have no more for you right now.
		When I do, it'll be on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		That's very good.
		Also, here in Tampa, you were talking about the weather?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we've been having some pretty freaky storms here the last couple of weeks.
		We had one that came through Tampa went through a car dealership.
		It was a tornado.
		And it snapped a flagpole, I believe, snapped a couple of telephone poles above the ground.
		Excuse me, I'm kind of nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		No, look, the weather is changing, sir.
		I didn't state that as a question.
		I'm convinced our weather is changing.
		And if you listen to my guest Sunday, if you looked at the Standeo data from Australia on the website, or even if you talk to the National Weather Service people.
		As a matter of fact, I heard last hour, top of the hour news, they are now predicting, ha ha ha, surprise, this is going to be an unusually severe hurricane season, something you would be also concerned about in Tampa.
		They are now predicting an unusual number of strong hurricanes.
		Oh, what a surprise.
unidentified		Oh, well, I'll have to be watching that because I've actually been taking some of the advice I've been hearing on your program.
unidentified		I've been trimming back some of the trees in my yard and trying to lock things down so I won't have anything come through the house or go into the neighbors' yards or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can only do so much, but there are certain things, thank you, that you ought to do.
		You ought to have food on hand.
		Really?
		I'm telling you guys, have some food on hand.
		Have a radio that will play.
		The Beijing is one good example.
		So you can get information.
		Have some auxiliary light batteries.
		Solar energy is good.
		I've got some solar panels on the roof that charge a bigger battery that I use when the power goes out.
		I've got an auxiliary generator.
		So if you can have that kind of thing, fine.
		If you can't, do what you can.
		Have candles, have some water stored, which you keep fresh.
		I mean, there's a lot of things, just common sense things that you can and should do.
		Because things are going to get rough weather-wise.
		I believe that.
		And I forgot to mention that report that I heard about an hour ago with regard to the National Weather Service pronouncement regarding hurricanes, but no surprise.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi there.
		I'm calling from Los Angeles, California.
		My name is Doug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KABC Land.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		I wanted to ask you something, Art.
		Sure.
		You were stationed in the Air Force, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
unidentified		Were you stationed at any time at Vandenberg?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was never at Vandenberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Closest I got was when I came back from Okinawa and I was discharged at March Air Force Base.
unidentified		Oh, at March?
		Yep.
		I was there for a little time myself.
		Now, I was rather curious about that.
		I was going to mention something else.
		Have you heard of the phenomena that has been occurring in California City on the Mojave Desert concerning the Holy Mother's appearance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have.
		And I've also, there is another story that I've been following regarding down in Florida.
		Are you familiar with the building in Florida?
		I think it's in Clearwater, Florida.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		And I'm also familiar with the place that's been occurring in Conyer, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait now.
		Let me give you some late news on Clearwater.
		All right.
		Somebody, apparently, over the last day or two went by that building and sprayed the image with acid.
unidentified		and what was results all it did it uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it ruined the image.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
unidentified		I'm sorry to hear that, because in this day and age, the way this world is going, everybody needs something to hold on to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and so some jerk has to go by and throw acid on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great, huh?
unidentified		Well, yeah, when you think about how they laughed at Christ when they nailed him to the cross.
		Much the same thing.
		Well.
		No, I was going to mention about what's out there in the desert.
		I was involved with it a couple of years back and was one of the individuals that ended up healed out there.
		And things of that nature do occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		They do.
		Thank you very much.
		They do.
		I believe in miracles.
		How about that?
		I do.
		I believe in miracles.
		Things as unexplained in our skies occur as unexplained down here on Earth occur.
		Spontaneous remissions, things that you can only call a miracle occur.
		And they're coming more and more frequently.
		And I think there's a good reason for that.
		Just like there's a good reason for the complete idiots who would throw acid, they believe it was acid, on a building to ruin something that millions of people.
		And by the way, the police are actively searching for whoever did this.
		We've got a photograph of what appears to be the Virgin Mary, which covers the entire side of a building in Clearwater, Florida.
		And we've got a photograph prior to the acid being thrown.
		Very much quickening, folks, in every respect.
		And this comes under the category of a social quickening, I suppose.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Arthur.
unidentified		Let me have the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, turn that radio off.
unidentified		That's awesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Dave in Milwaukee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just that's pretty sad about the Virgin Mary, first of all.
		Yep.
		Did you hear about the bees, the honey bees?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		95% gone, sir.
unidentified		That's because it's going to damage fruit.
unidentified		Make the crops bitter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you surprised?
unidentified		I don't know if I'm surprised.
unidentified		I don't know if it's just any way to get them back, hopefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
		I don't know if there is or not.
		They're busily trying to bring back a woolly mammoth right now.
		So I suppose somebody while they're still here ought to make an attempt at bringing back the honeybees.
		But it is true what he just said.
		About 95% of the domestic honeybee population is now gone.
		And they sort of just dropped that on us the other day.
		Quickening?
		Yes.
		Sure it is.
		That's what this book is all about.
		Just part of it.
		So if you get a chance, while I'm still doing autographed copies and while we still have some to sell, give them a call and get one on the way.
unidentified		It's the quickness.
		I see trees of green, green roses too.
		I see them blue for me.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful blue skies of white days darks of the night I think to myself when
		What a wonderful world.
		The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky, are also on the faces of people going by.
		I see friends shaking hands, saying, "How can you do?" They really say, "I love you." I hear you.
		am Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time tonight's program originally aired May 26 1997 you know when I fell in love with this when I saw the 12th monkey what a movie that was anyway good morning everybody I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM The following is from Diane in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, what can I say, except I'm sorry I read the LA Times yesterday.
		They had a two-page article on cannibalism in Russia.
		What seems to be occurring is street children are being taken and eaten.
		They are the victims, street children.
		Many of them, they think as many as 12 or 13 children now, have been actually taken by a serial cannibal and eaten.
		And they're finding pieces all over the place.
		I'm sorry, but this is true.
		Diane goes on to say, and now it's going on in Russia, Korea, and China.
		She's absolutely correct.
		I saw the report.
		In fact, it was on CNN.
		And I don't know how much sicker society can become before whoever is out there takes one big look at this and cleans out the Petri dish.
		I'm telling you, we're on our way to an event.
		Believe it.
		We're on our way to an event.
		And I'm not a prophet, so I'm not going to tell you what that is.
		I don't know.
		I wrote it in the book.
		When you read this book, you will be convinced, as I am, that we are on the way to an event.
		Or you might just, um, if you wish, read the daily newspaper, as Diane in LA did, or listen to the hourly newscasts, if you can handle it.
		But it's obvious that in every category of human endeavor, we are racing toward an event of some sort.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I'll just grab the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that.
unidentified		Doug from Vancouver?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Good.
		Art, I've been trying to get in for a while here.
		There's an incident that apparently happened in Brazil, and I've never heard you talk about it of all the times I've listened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in fact, I had Stanton Friedman on talking about that incident, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it's the same one.
unidentified		Yeah, apparently they've captured three aliens, and the fire department wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's what the claim is.
		Yes, I did a program on it.
unidentified		Well, you did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that kind of thing does get away from me.
unidentified		Okay, I'm just wondering, do you have any...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. military is also alleged to be involved.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once you get the military involved in these things, sir, they just disappear.
unidentified		Right.
		Now, what is your take on John Carpenter?
		Do you know him at all?
		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have interviewed John Carpenter.
		There's hardly anybody in this field, I think, that, well, that's not true.
		There's always somebody.
		But I've interviewed most of the people in the field.
unidentified		I'm just wondering, how do you rate him as high on the credibility scale?
unidentified		Are you familiar with any of these associates in Brazil that are the head of the MUFON in Brazil?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
		No, I only had to go thank you on what Stanton had to say.
		And he interviewed some of the eyewitnesses, and it seemed very clear and unambiguous.
		So that's all I can tell you right now.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ernest.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		This is Kevin from Lakewood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I just read a book, and I'm about halfway through reading it twice here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the quick inning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, there's 333 pages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, 333 mark, 337 total.
unidentified		Right, okay.
		To be exact.
		To be cynical, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought I was about right.
unidentified		Yeah, I called a while back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are your impressions?
unidentified		Of the book, oh, I liked it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the mark?
unidentified		I'd say so.
		Quite scary.
		Yep.
		A lot of things near my attention, I tell you.
		Mm-hmm.
		Very well written.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well what i tried to do was simply document facts now we put a little bit of fiction in front of each chapter to try to uh...
		But 90% of the book is simply documented fact.
		And that's what's so scary about it.
unidentified		Yeah, I like the way you put the little story in the front there.
unidentified		It kind of brings the situation more to life, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Makes it seem real, I guess is the word for it.
		More real than make you imagine it anyway.
		Yeah, a couple callers back was talking about the Virgin Mary appearances out here in California City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		A good friend of my mother's goes out there once a month.
		And she brought back some photos with her that she had taken out there on an instant camera.
		There was not a cloud in the sky.
		And she took about 25 photos.
		And every photo came back with something, an image, whether it was a picture of what looked to be Jesus.
		Others looked to be Mary.
		Some looked to be angels.
		You can see crosses in the formation of what looked to be like clouds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think there's going to be more and more of this.
unidentified		Very, very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree, but not unexpected.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Okay, let me walk you through contents of the quickening, all right?
		I've never done that.
		I suppose I ought to.
		The introduction, the quickening defined, in other words, define the quickening in the beginning.
		Chapter one deals with technology, America's technology, rushes, the internet, fiber optics, virtual reality.
		We deal in chapter two with our economy, as I told you, America's heavy load.
		I've talked about it many times, the European Union, the road to global economies.
		Chapter three is government fragmenting governments, American sovereignty and decline, and global government on the rise.
		Chapter four deals with societal matters.
		The American social fabric weakening.
		The militias, terrorism, illegal immigration.
		Chapter 5 deals with religion and spirituality, the New Age movement, modern psychology, UFOs, extraterrestrials, the paranormal, one-world religion.
		Chapter 6 deals with the environment, environmentalists, American consumerism, our natural resources, global warming, ozone, nuclear radiation.
		Chapter 7 deals with disease and famine, emerging viruses, emerging bacteria and parasites, venereal disease, diseases actually, plural, biological warfare, and global solutions.
		Chapter 8 deals with earth changes, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts, astronomical hazards, global preparedness.
		In the beginning of the book, it serves up a warning, which simply says, the following material may not be suitable for those of you not prepared to face the realities of the future.
		These may seem like isolated snapshots of some far-off world.
		In truth, they are all symptoms of the same cause, The Quickening.
		And again, this is not a book that I just set out to write so I could write a book.
		It's a book that I had to write.
		You understand the difference?
		There really is a big difference.
		Even when I did my first book, it was a book I set out to write.
		This one came from me.
		I don't even know how to explain the difference.
		The first one was difficult.
		It was autobiographical.
		It was painful in some ways to dig through your life, try it sometime.
		But the second one demanded to be written.
		It came from inside.
		Because I know what's going on.
		I don't precisely know where it's leading, but I know that it's going to get there pretty soon.
		So that's kind of a leap through a content of some of my book.
unidentified		So that's kind of a leap.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of May 26, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Jeff from Penson again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jeff.
unidentified		Got an idea for a new book in case you're thinking of what to be writing after the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am not thinking of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But go ahead.
unidentified		I've often wondered if there has ever been, of course, you know, being a military man, that there used to be ship recognition manuals of all types of vessels during wartime.
unidentified		Has anyone ever compiled a nice coffee table book about a UFO recognition manual?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean kind of like a jeans?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, just nothing but pictures, a little bit of text at the bottom, nothing but photographs.
		Coffee table book size, huge.
		And it's having just hundreds of pages and just all kinds of listings in terms of shapes and where they've been seen and maybe a national map on the back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really want to get people going and make them angry?
		I'll tell you what we call it.
		You ready?
		I got the title.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We call it the UFO Bible.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
		That makes it sound more scientific.
		UFO Facebook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine how angry that would make people?
unidentified		Not really.
unidentified		They've already got the gun Bible and everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do they?
unidentified		I don't think it's going to make people mad.
unidentified		Which direction was that UFO you recently saw heading when you saw it last?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was yesterday, sir.
		Now, the UFO, the jet was coming from the east-southeast and headed to the west-northwest.
		The UFO was near the, and followed for a period of time, the jet's contrail and way behind it.
		And then it stopped dead for, oh, I don't know, two or three minutes at least, and then began to move south and gain altitude until we finally just lost it as a pinpoint, not because of the horizon, but because it had gained so much altitude, that baby was gone.
unidentified		According to Egon Bach's book, these things are often drawn to sunlight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was not drawn to sunlight, sir.
		It was, thank you.
		The sun was short of high in the sky, or 12 o'clock, short of that.
		It was about 11.40 in the morning when we saw it.
		And by the way, I'm very much looking forward to hearing from, as I have been already, getting email from or faxes from anybody in this area who saw the same object I did.
		Or, better yet, somebody who had more presence of mind than I did and went and got a good camera.
		I don't know why in the hell it happened.
		I can't explain it.
		But I've got a 35 millimeter camera, and it's got a very limited zoom to it.
		It's good for pretty close work.
		And I knew that if I went and got it, there was no point.
		That actually went through my mind.
		I thought about going to get the camera, but then I thought, no, it's just going to be a dot of light, meaningless.
		And what I didn't think about was my 8mm video camera, which has like a 6D to 1 zoom.
		And you know what?
		I didn't even think of that until tonight.
		That I could have dragged that out.
		Stupid, huh?
		Especially for somebody who's been dealing in these things for as long as I have.
		But I'll tell you something.
		It doesn't prepare you.
		Honest to God, it doesn't prepare you.
		The fact that I've talked about these things, you would think that I would have trained myself to do something like that.
		But when you see it, you're frozen.
		Frozen, afraid that it will blink out, that if you run in the house, it'll be gone when you get back.
		All of those things.
		And there is no good, rational explanation for why I didn't think about that 8mm camera and go and get it.
		You know, it does no good to kick myself now.
		I might have had a chance with that, actually.
		The 35mm would have been useless.
		That much ran through my little consumed brain, but the rest did not, so I have no excuse.
		Except that we were transfixed.
		And when you see something like this, believe me, trust me, you are transfixed.
		It's not like it was affecting me in any way, I don't think.
		It was just that I was transfixed.
		I couldn't move.
		We were in the business of trying to get it with the binoculars, trying to, it was visible with the naked eye.
		But the binoculars brought it to a resolution that made it an obvious saucer, circle, and it was glowing, glowing like a light bulb turned on.
		Now, the jet, on the other hand, which by this time was moving to the west-northwest, was not glowing at all, nor did the sun glint off it in any way.
		So, besides, the sun was behind the object.
		So the glow we saw was actually coming from the object.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there, hi.
unidentified		I'll get the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get that radio.
unidentified		I was thinking of another thing that comes under the heading of avarice and the broadcast establishment was I was listening to Gil Gross once, you know, and he was talking about, you know that girl in California that lost her arms in that crime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, they were going to have on Channel 11 in Seattle, I'm calling it from Oklahoma, something like a trust fund for her to give her her arms.
unidentified		And she didn't want to do a broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't, she can't, there's no way for this girl to get her arms back, sir.
unidentified		Well, I meant, you know, like a prosthesis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see, yes.
unidentified		So anyway, the guy that takes care of her is real good to her.
		And then they were going to do a broadcast, but she didn't consent to do it, so they took the trust fund away.
		And I was thinking about like you were making a joke about that time.
		If you were going to die, somebody was going to benefit from it.
		And this was like an analogy to it, but it was really cruel, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe she just simply didn't want it.
		I think that poor, poor young woman probably wants to be out of the public spotlight.
		Maybe that's what it had to do with.
		And maybe that's why she didn't want to do it.
		And I don't blame her.
		I'll never forget that.
		You know the young lady we're talking about.
		The man who assaulted the young lady raped her, chopped her arms off, served time, and got out.
		He's out now.
		That's who he's talking about.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Arbel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Merced, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		KYOS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And last year in 96, on Easter Sunday, my friend and I, we were getting ready to go back to my house, and we came to a stop sign, and she looked to the left, I looked to the right, and I seen a UFO, right?
		So I told her, I go, let's follow it.
		So we followed it, and it's like it knew what direction we were going to go before we went, right?
		And we zigzagged through town, and ever since then, it's like sometimes lights follow me, okay?
		I don't have a car anymore, so it hasn't happened.
		But I always see, I like the sky, and I see a lot of things.
		And I just seen something the other night, me and my neighbor.
		And we watched it, but I've seen like orange football-shaped ones.
		I've seen my son and I, we've seen like a triangle.
		They were like in a triangle in the sky.
		And these things were shooting out of the bottom.
		It was like an upside-down triangle.
		And so he ran upstairs and he got the neighbors so we have somebody else to see it.
		And he watched these things just shooting out of like what we thought was a star.
		But it was in the shape of a triangle and it was like toward the northeast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
		I appreciate your report.
		That's what you want to do is try and get somebody else to verify it.
		I don't think I would have gone on the air tonight or the first time for that matter if my wife had not been there to back me up.
		I just wouldn't do it.
		And what I'm hoping now is that somebody got some video or a good photograph of what I saw yesterday.
		Believe me, I'll know it if I see it.
		And one last time, this is the big opportunity since our second printing is here.
		If you want a copy of my book, The Quickening, autograph copy, that is, you should order soon or as soon as you can get in.
		And if you cannot get in tonight, because we're just starting all this out again, continue to try during the day and you will eventually get through.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26, 1997.
		Music Every world's on fire, no one could say about you.
		Strange world design made foolish people.
		I never dreamed that I'd need somebody like you.
		I never dreamed that I'd lose somebody like you.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to a heartbell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an onboard presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 26th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Reuters, Dateline, Miami, Memorial Day, the unofficial start of summer.
		This year heralds for coastal residents a, quote, bleaker than normal Atlantic hurricane season, six months of torrential rains, deadly winds, and pounding waves.
		Forecasters expect more tropical storms and hurricanes than average during the 97 season, prompting Colorado State University professor and weather forecaster Bill Gray to exclaim this does not bode very well for the U.S. Southeast and Caribbean should the storm forecast for 1997 prove accurate the three-year period would be the busiest ever ushering in what could be decades of increased
		storm activity.
		That is from UPI, and then there's several stats in the middle of the story.
		Are you surprised?
		Not me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		This is Dave here in Sandy Valley, your neighbor to the south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I was calling you to let you know about something I saw about a month ago here.
		I might explain some of this UFO mystery stuff.
		It was early in the morning, about 6:30, a little ways after sunrise, and I see these planes coming, hugging the valley below the horizon, traveling about 200 feet.
		They came, I'd say, within about a half a mile.
		They were about half the size of a commercial airliner.
		They were gray, kind of a dust gray, and silent.
		Silent, no sound from these planes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So I was just thinking, about a couple years ago, I had read in Newsweek that they were developing this anti-sound with these microprocessors that made a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's sound cancellation, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very well aware.
unidentified		So they must have perfected that, because...
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then they introduced it to a round craft that emits light?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that explain what I saw?
unidentified		That sounds like what I saw.
		They were just...
		Instead of having swoop back wings, they had more like straight out wings and real slow, lumbering craft.
		But anyway, I'm thinking, because the way that I saw them flying, if a person was to see those at night, they may, you know, look kind of odd, especially since there was no sound from these things.
		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		There actually was sound.
		What you're talking about is sound cancellation.
		And that's a pretty well-known technology now.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		we take you back to the night of may 26 1997 on our bell somewhere in time what you're about to hear is called area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's by Dewey Williams and the Extremes.
unidentified		The Extremes Somewhere in the bed, not too far from here.
		Deep beneath the bed with another atmosphere of everywhere.
		For the best I had at Lake Grove Once a smile under Vegas Is where they landed on the moon I'm gonna follow the sun Out the area of 51 I'll watch the sunset at the mountain For when
		the test is done I'm gonna follow the sun Out the area of 51 I gotta be there in the desert At area 51 Oh, oh, oh, oh
		Duke Williams in the sky above Nevada in the extremes.
		A young pilot tries to hide in a duly-stirited airspace where gravity warps the time.
		The jet is intercepted by a giant silver disk.
		His last words to the tower Oh my God, my insolence exists.
		I'm gonna follow the sun at the area 51.
		Behind the mountains of sunset that's where the test can come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna follow the sun anyway thank you get the idea Well, all those you know what really got me?
		That business about the pilot intercepted, shot down.
		Anyway, good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC, West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		I was listening this evening to you talking about what you've seen last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it brought that...
unidentified		Oh, in the morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Ooh.
		Well, I had an experience 28 years ago when I first moved to the middle of the Nevada desert out halfway between Elko and Bowder Mountain.
		There's a place out there called Crescent Valley where they have Cortez gold mine.
		My second husband and I had just moved out there.
		It was in probably August.
		And I woke up in the middle of the night, and the bedroom was just really, really bright with light.
		And I thought, well, we couldn't figure out what was going on.
		So I kind of raised up and looked out the window to see what was going on.
		And there was a bright light that was just down below the trailer.
		So I got up and I went out the back door and stood at the back of the trailer.
		And I seen this great, big, huge orange kind of a pulsating ball.
		And it was not too apple-far above the ground.
		I mean, it was right about the level where the telephone poles were at.
		But down there, there was three camp trailers and two tents that had been pitched by some of the men that were working out at the gold mine.
		So I stood out there and I watched, and they were scrambling around there and running around just like they were chickens with their heads cut off.
		And one of them yelled, get your gun, Ralph.
		Get your gun.
		So Ralph ran into the trailer and he came out and I heard, bang, bang.
		Ralph, I think that you hit it.
		Hip, shoot it again.
		So there was another couple of bangs.
		I think you hit it again.
		Shoot some more, Ralph.
		So Ralph shot some more.
		And pretty soon this thing started taking off kind of at a slow race away from the trailers and the tents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it took off and they said, you could hear them all over the whole valley.
		But this thing had lit up the whole area out there and it wasn't very well populated at the time.
		Well, the next morning I went back in the bedroom and woke my husband up.
		And by the time I got him woke up to see what was going on, it was like a star out there, so he didn't see a thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think Ralph was poorly advised to be shooting at that thing.
		Please, folks, whatever it is you see in the skies, don't shoot at it.
		Don't shoot at them.
		Now, there are many ways of looking at this.
		Now, if they shoot at you, that's self-defense.
		But to begin shooting at objects that you don't know about in the sky strikes me as just plain damn foolish.
		And on behalf of the rest of the human race, I beseech you, please do not shoot at these things.
		See, there's another definite problem.
		Whatever in the hell they are, and either way you look at it, whether they are advanced military aircraft, ours, or they're from somewhere else, they've got to be pretty advanced to get here and be doing what they're doing.
		Shooting at them is ill-advised, indeed.
		West Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, the Italian style, how you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I've got something.
		I disagree with you on the New World Order.
		You believe that it's not going to take place, not in our lifetimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, not in our lifetimes.
unidentified		But believe it or not, it's unfolding right before us.
		you really can't tell what you know because it's unfolded in front of us and i believe that uh...
		Well, my evidence is if you take one country, and Richard Hoagland's touched on the secret governments and stuff like that, and that is happening.
		But you take one country, and if they go or get out of hand, you watch and see the whole world will be on top of them in a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's already occurring.
		That does not make a one-world government, nor does that make a one-world political system.
		Now, I acknowledge that we're on the way to it, en route to globalism.
		There's no question about it.
		But I do not believe that in our lifetime you will see the United States and or any other country cede its sovereignty to a world order of any sort.
		It is a creeping, crawling process that is underway and is going to take a very long time to develop.
		So I don't fear it in my lifetime, but on the other hand, I don't deny its eventuality.
		Does that make sense?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Mike from Oregon.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Hey, listen, I was wondering, if we are able to travel into space with the space shuttle, go to the moon and back and stuff like that, what makes anybody think that there are not people out there or beings out there that have been able to do the same thing a lot quicker than we have, or maybe they've been doing it longer than we have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, only a fool would dismiss the probability.
		You notice I didn't say it's an absolute because I don't know what these things are, but yeah.
		I mean, there are all those suns, more than you can count.
		We're way out here in the suburbs if you look at where the Earth really is, where our system really is.
		And of course it's likely that life has evolved and that some of it would have become very advanced technologically.
		Look at the last decade or two decades of advancement made by mankind and then project that 100, 200 years, which is a cosmic blink.
		And so it's almost guaranteed.
unidentified		Right.
		I was just kind of curious, like, you know, the area of 51 and the government getting involved in that thing in Brazil, like you were talking about earlier with one of your other callers.
		Yes.
		And then all of a sudden it gets hushed up and we don't hear anything more about it.
		Does the government actually feel that we're some kind of morons that we don't have any kind of vision as to what could actually be out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're treated like morons and sometimes we act that way.
		When I had my first sighting, a very serious sighting about four years ago, I guess, a local newspaper came out two weeks later with this admission that Nellis Air Force Base had said, yes, there was a secret mission over the Prump Valley, which is a little valley I'm in, and it had been a C-130 aircraft, which was an utter, absolute insult to anybody's intelligence.
		And yet, it was swallowed whole by everybody, except those that had seen it.
		Everybody else swallowed it, secret mission, yeah.
		C-130.
		Nothing special about that.
		So, in my estimation, that was a public relations tip of the hat to morons.
		Or that they were treating us like morons, and frankly, to absorb it without questioning anything probably does make us morons.
		I was so angry about that, I could have spit nails.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Yeah, I had to call and...
		It's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		At any rate, I had to call.
		There's a TV in the background.
		I listen to the radio and watch TV at the same time.
		You were commenting on how your 35mm camera wouldn't have been any good.
		And I just had to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, there are other things, though, especially if you underexpose it.
		Depends on what kind of film you have.
		If it catches a spot of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had it loaded with thousand-speed film.
unidentified		Oh, that's a drag.
		Yeah.
		Because that would have been, you know, I just didn't want people out there to think that a 35 won't do any good.
		The size of the image and the size of the detail, it doesn't matter what kind of camera you have.
		A 35mm camera will get a clearer image than any even high-band 8mm, the new digital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that wasn't a point.
		I had digital zoom on my 8mm camera.
		I could have gone to 60 times zoom.
unidentified		That's still, it's electronic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand the resolution would not have been...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I would have been onto something.
unidentified		Any lens over 80 millimeters would have done better than a video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		All right, thank you.
		No, I understand what you're saying, but I've just got the standard lens on a 35 millimeter camera, and it's got an 8 to 1 zoom or something.
		Totally useless for what I would have tried to have done yesterday.
		But I really still think, and you're right about the resolution, but I sure could have come a lot closer with that 8 millimeter if I'd only thought of that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Oh, well.
		Hi, how are you?
		Okay.
		This is Mike, Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Sorry, I got on so fast.
unidentified		It's shocking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's how it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't screen calls.
unidentified		A couple of comments on.
		You had some earlier callers talking about how you don't sermonize on the radio.
		No Bible quotes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And I was also impressed with your idea of sticking with the facts.
unidentified		You saw something, you're not sure what it is, and you're not jumping to conclusions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
		I mean, anybody can jump to conclusions, but based on what I saw, no, I can't.
		That'd be foolish.
unidentified		And I'm somebody who makes sure I say my prayers daily, and I call myself a Christian, but I still stick to the facts.
		I read stuff like the Bible, and I think some of it is so true.
		But on the other hand, I think some of it, you know, is nonsense, like, you know, penguins marching up into Noah's Ark.
		A lot of it's inconclusive.
		A lot of it's unclear.
		And I really think that it's really being twisted.
		I think it was Carl Sagan who once said that we should not be viewing evolution of the world based on an authoritative test, no matter how well-meaning we want to view the Bible.
		I don't think God wants us to treat it that way.
		I myself, you know, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish Carl could write one more book, and then we'd know.
unidentified		Anyhow, good show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Yeah, if Carl could write one more book, that would be the definitive work on.
		I mean, he's in the right place now, I presume, to know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Billy in Birmingham, WAPI 1070.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		All right, about the New World Order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What's going on in Paris today?
unidentified		Are you kind of saying you see the bubbles in the water, but you don't feel it getting warmer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do feel it getting warmer.
		I'm just saying it's not going to come to a full boil in our lifetimes.
		It's going to take longer than that.
		The guy was trying to call up and saying it's going to happen in our lifetimes.
		no it isn't the uh...
		the expansion of nato i do see as the beginning of i mean what I see it warming, and I don't see it bubbling yet.
		it's getting warm but if you think that the people of this country this generation are going to see sovereignty to some I don't either.
unidentified		Anyway, great show.
		Let somebody else get on.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Not in our generation, but it's coming.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Gina from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Gina.
unidentified		You know, I've heard you complain that if there is time travel, how come you've never heard from time travelers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there's time travel, then where are the time travelers?
unidentified		Well, you've never had an open line for them.
		How would you know if you haven't had them call you?
		You've got to have an open line some night for time travelers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it.
unidentified		You never know until you ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, how's that?
unidentified		That's waiting to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll do it.
		Thank you.
		That's a good Gina.
		Sure, Gina.
		Why not?
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, I have a clarification for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clarify.
unidentified		About the girl who had her arms cut off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the man went to prison they let him out?
		Yes.
		Well, that happened in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		The bad moved to Florida when he got out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's right, yes.
unidentified		And he was arrested again in Florida after he murdered somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		Yes, I'm aware of that.
		Oh, that's right.
		So he's back in jail now.
unidentified		He's in jail.
unidentified		They're going to give him the death penalty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was referring, of course, to the fact that he was released for what he had done to her after he had done that.
unidentified		Well, he didn't kill nobody, though.
unidentified		You understand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		What does it mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That means it's the end of the program.
unidentified		Tell all them Canadians.
unidentified		We're watching them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear that up there in Canada?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wherever you are, thank you all very much from the high deserts.

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