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May 23, 1997 - Art Bell

03:19:20

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Area 51 - Sean David Morton & Victor

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	Good morning!
	It is going to be an interesting night.
	My guests are going to be Sean David Morton, who is, you know, I'll let him describe himself here in a moment, but he's an investigator.
	He is a prophet.
	He is a fascinating individual who knows a lot about Area 51.
	Now, that's going to lead directly into sort of a joint interview of Victor The mysterious Victor.
	Victor allegedly smuggled a video out of Area 51, no small feat, of an interrogation?
	I wonder if that's the right question.
	An interview?
	Either it was an interview or an interrogation.
	According to Whitley Streber, who saw the entire video, it was A not very gentle interrogation of this alien.
	Now, we put one photograph on our website, I don't know, a month or two ago, and they promised an interview with Victor, and that'll be at midnight.
	And then they sent a second photograph, which we have on my website right now.
	So if ever you, uh, if you've been procrastinating and have not yet seen this photograph, I suggest you take a look.
	We will describe both photographs for you as best we're able, uh, prior to the interview with Victor.
	Um, because I know that not all of you have, uh, computers and can get on the internet, but for those of you that are able to, you better get up there right now.
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	About the mysterious Area 51.
	About the alien.
	We will divine what we can from Sean Morton about the status of Area 51, because there is an article out now that would seem to suggest Area 51 has moved.
	I certainly don't see evidence of that.
	But there is an article.
	also will be underway in just a moment here all right now uh... i said he was an investigator
	and a profit Is that about right, Sean?
	Yes, that would be right, yes.
	That would be about right.
	And the reason I would use the term prophet specifically is because originally the Old Testament said it meant teacher of righteousness, so I didn't want people to think I have a big head about that.
	All right, is it reasonable to ask you how you divine the information Quite specifically, I had a natural talent and gift and ability from when I was very, very young.
	As a matter of fact, the first manifestation of it was when I started having these terrible dreams about a good friend of ours, Gus Grissom, who was one of the original Mercury astronauts.
	My parents were a little freaked out about the fact that I kept seeing Gus trapped and choking and kept seeing fire around his head.
	And then, of course, he was burned up in a ground test of one of the original Apollos.
	Yes.
	Later on, I spent a year in a Tibetan monastery in a place called Tengbeche, which is just down from Mount Everest, just across the Tibetan border in Nepal, and learned how to hone these talents and abilities.
	And then when I got back, I worked for quite a few years, actually, as a psychic counselor on a number of hotlines.
	I actually stopped doing private readings for people because All anybody ever wanted to know about was sex and money.
	It was all, where's my money and where's my honey?
	When do I get laid?
	When do I get paid?
	I thought that the planet was going through substantial changes and I saw major, major breakthroughs in consciousness and changes in the earth's climate and various other things around the world.
	Back in 1993, I started publishing my newsletter, the Delphi Associates Newsletter, and one of the main reasons I was publishing it was because so many other people were saying that California was going to fall in the ocean, and that there would be massive quakes, and that Colorado would be the new West Coast by 1998, and that wasn't what I was seeing at all.
	As a matter of fact, I live in California in Hermosa Beach, which is where I published the newsletter out of, and I was seeing, I predicted the Northridge quake many months in advance.
	I gave an exact location, I gave an exact I only missed the date by about 10 days or so.
	You're sure it's not wishful viewing?
	No.
	I mean, because you're there.
	Well, one, because I'm here and because I'm sensitive to the phenomenon that actually physically manifests in my body.
	I work with a number of maps.
	I actually do meditations in front of the maps and feel energy actually coming off of the maps.
	Then I can actually focus in and get a pretty good idea of a time frame and a window as to when major events are going to occur.
	And this is what allowed me to predict the San Francisco quake back in 1989 and the Northridge quake and give, actually I've been pretty right on it, exact dates on a large number of quakes and various political events and occurrences.
	Well, I know your hints are really good, and that's what I wonder about.
	How do you know?
	I mean, how, for example, do you call the Northridge quake?
	How do you know it's coming?
	What do you see?
	When I was working on the map, specifically, and the Northridge Quake was very unusual in the form of, when I work with the map and I project forward and I'll get the energy actually coming out of a location, I will then see the energy and then I'll take it forward, and very simply for anybody that wants to do this that's sensitive to the phenomenon, you take it from the date where you're at, let's say it's May, and then go June, July, August, September, and then you'll get a hit on the month, and then I'll try to Actually narrow it down by going through the dates and how Earth energy actually works or how I feel it is it builds up to a crescendo to a plateau of where the energy is coming out of a certain point and then it will peak down the other side.
	Now Northridge was very very unusual because what I got was like an upright spike.
	To me the Northridge quake looked like a bomb exploding.
	I mean it was like It didn't have a plateau like most of the other quakes do.
	Usually you can actually project it and it'll have a window, period of recurrence.
	And this one went straight up and down, almost as if the quake was somehow artificial.
	Almost like it was a bomb going off.
	And one of the ways that I pinpointed the quake was, well actually, I pinpointed the quake specifically because I tracked down where extra low frequency wave towers were, specifically in Beattie, Nevada, Moffett Field, and Edwards Air Force Base.
	And then I was just playing around with a map And I drew concentric circles out from that, thinking, well, if I was going to induce a quake to relieve pressure on the San Andreas Fault, how would I do it, where would I do it from, and where would it hit?
	And by drawing these circles out, I came up with three locations.
	You're telling me you think that quake was induced by man to relieve a pressure on the San Andreas?
	There is a body of evidence to support that opinion, yes.
	That, in fact, the Northridge quake jumped because most of the pressure was actually building on the San Andreas Fault in Palmdale.
	Alright, then the next obvious question is, if that would be true, and if they knew where the quake would be and the magnitude of the quake, why wouldn't they have at least gone out on a public limb and warned the people of Northridge?
	The only way I can view it is that I had several friends of mine who were paramedics who called me 10 to 8 days before the quake actually happened.
	Yes.
	They said, we don't know what's going on with the county, but they're spending $50,000 to $75,000 keeping the choppers up in the air.
	We're on what they call a 12-12 call, where they go up for 12.
	They're working for 12 hours and then they're off for 12 hours.
	And I got a whole number of people calling me saying, look, we don't know what's going on, but the county has actually declared an emergency many days before the quake actually happened.
	It was very interesting, the date of the quake when it occurred, because it was actually January 17th, which was Martin Luther King Day.
	Which actually then would subside the possibility of maybe rioting or looting in certain sections of Los Angeles.
	And the other aspect of this was that directly after the quake, you had about 100,000 people outside with no water and no power, and they began spraying them with malathion.
	I mean, literally, the morning after the quake, and it was raining.
	And if you actually spray a population with malathion, and you mix malathion with water, you get malathion, which is actually Agent Orange.
	It's actually a suppressant.
	All I can tell you is that what I saw originally was that the quake was somehow artificially induced.
	The Camarillo Fault, which ruptured... Wait a minute, I don't understand.
	Why spray them?
	To what end?
	And Agent Orange is, was, or is, a defoliant.
	It's a defoliant, but it can also be used as a depressant.
	And if you spray it on an entire population of people, specifically, it keeps them from acting up.
	So now you're suggesting that in order to quiet them, calm them, prevent a riot, they were sprayed.
	With the helicopters over the populations that were outdoors, yes.
	Wow.
	So, specifically what I saw was somehow a quake being artificially induced, and many months before that, that's how I figured out, I pinpointed where I thought it would be, because the Camarillo Fault, which was only discovered about eight months before the Northridge quake went off, tridents off the coast, and then the Navy began to set off a large number of explosive devices to test Their stealth submarine, which is called the Sea Shadow, and the Sea Shadow, they were putting actually 200,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate at the end of this fault line, and they were exploding it, with the Sea Shadow coming down into the crevices, claiming that it was a test to see how the Sea Shadow would actually function under, you know, atomic warfare conditions.
	So that was the end of the, that was the Camrillo fault line, which they were messing with, which the Navy was setting off these explosions on.
	The next thing they were doing, Was, if you remember, that the United States Geological Survey, about a year before that, began to work with the U.S.
	Navy.
	Now, I became sort of suspicious of this, because how could... If the United States Geological Survey is in bed with the military, the military doesn't do things altruistically.
	They're in for it for power, information, or control.
	And it's my opinion that I think what was happening was, is that the USGS and the Navy got together and said, look, there's the good possibility that we could have A fracturing 8.6 to up to a 9 quake.
	And California could indeed fall into the ocean, as many people were feeling.
	And we have to do something to relieve that pressure.
	And that maybe Northridge was actually triggered as some sort of controlled roll.
	And the evidence I have of this is the USGS and the Navy teaming up.
	I seem to remember some publicity about that, wasn't there?
	line at the very end of it i seem to remember some publicity about that was it
	there was an output from the paper that the u s g s in the navy were
	specifically bearing a series of charges from directly off the coast all the way up to china lake
	and then all the way back down to the landers fault right floating charges in
	two minute intervals
	specifically create a a shockwave this was and in my newsletter in august
	I kept saying, look, what I'm feeling is that this quake is somehow artificially induced.
	And Northridge is very strange, by the way, because the exact epicenter of Northridge was actually about a 9.2.
	But every quake that has an epicenter has an epicenter that then goes outwards, almost like you're dropping a bomb, and then the epicenter goes out.
	But that's not what happened with Northridge, because you had all these various landmasses fracturing.
	Because you had literally a chunk of the valley jump about six feet in the air, nullifying the force of gravity, and moving in the exact opposite direction of the fault line itself.
	What they did is that when the Federal Emergency Management Agency came in, they specifically had to judge the earthquake by zip codes, because even though you had a 9.2 at the epicenter, two miles away it was a six, and four miles away it was a five, and then underneath the Santa Monica Mountains you had fours right next to a six.
	So it was a very, very odd, very, very strange quake.
	Is there any evidence that it actually relieved tension on the San Andreas?
	According to Caltech, it did.
	That it actually jumped and relieved pressure specifically on Palmdale.
	And the other strange thing about it is that every other geological service in the world, the Japanese, the Germans, everybody, had the Northridge quake at at least a 7.2.
	I think the Japanese had it as high as almost a 7.5.
	And the USGS is the only major earthquake service That had that quake at below a 7.
	And the reason for that is that directly after the Loma Prieta quake in San Francisco in October of 1989, they passed what was called the California Earthquake Management Relief Act.
	And in this act it said that if you lived within a 30-mile radius of an earthquake that was 7.0 or better, that you did not have to pay state or federal property or income taxes for that year.
	That was part of the earthquake relief package.
	That you got a tax-free ride in order to rebuild your home.
	So, of course, they pulled the quake down to a 6.8, so that the insurance wouldn't kick in at a 7, and so that they could still collect the tax revenues in Los Angeles.
	That's incredible.
	That was one of the big hits.
	Well, what is not deniable is that you called it.
	Called it epicenter and called it magnitude.
	Now, whether or not my theory is correct as to how the quake was actually induced, I'm not sure.
	As I said, there's a body of evidence to support that it's conceivably artificial.
	But you would admit that that portion of it is opinion?
	Yes.
	As delineated from the way you divine the quake was going to occur and where and when and magnitude.
	Correct.
	Because it was directly in line with where the extra low frequency wave towers actually met up.
	The other location, well three locations, Vallejo in Northern California, there hasn't been a big quake there yet, Northridge, and the third one was Flagstaff, Arizona.
	And if you remember, before the Northridge quake, about six months before, there was about a 5.6 earthquake in Flagstaff.
	And I thought, well, this is interesting.
	It's interesting that all these quakes seem to be happening right at where these particular lines head up.
	All right.
	Look, I want to talk to you about Victor.
	I want to talk to you about these photographs ahead of Victor's appearance.
	And then when Victor is gone, I want to talk to you generally about earth changes.
	I don't suppose you happened to hear Stan Dale on the show the other night?
	No, but I've read Stan's material and I'm very familiar with it.
	Well, he is showing some remarkably scary blooming from these naval photographs, weather photographs.
	Pretty scary stuff and it looks like there's something pretty weird ahead.
	So we'll talk about that too.
	Stay right there.
	Sean David Morton is my guest.
	Victor coming up.
	I'm going to be a good boy.
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	Sean David Morton is here.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Coming up in about 25 minutes, the mysterious Victor.
	five zero three three one eight hundred eight two five five zero three three
	this is the CBC radio network that's who we are top of the morning everybody
	Sean David Morton is here I'm Art Bell coming up in about 25 minutes the
	mysterious Victor Victor will be using a voice changer and we're depending on him
	to call us so I'm not guaranteeing anything this is free-flowing
	a spontaneous talk radio and i don't know what's going to happen tonight
	all right sean uh... we will come back to earth changes and such bucket art
	Yes.
	We have a bit of a problem.
	I've got Victor and his crew on the other line, and apparently they got the wrong number from you to call in.
	So I don't know how we're going to work this, but he's on the other line right now.
	I wonder how they managed to do that, because I sent that number to them any number of times.
	I'll tell you what, I don't want to give it to you publicly on the air, or it would be a disaster.
	No, I understand.
	I don't know how we worked this week.
	I have Jeff Broadstreet on the other line, so we have to give him a number for him to get in touch with you at midnight.
	I can do that.
	Let me see here.
	Let me see how I'm going to do that.
	I see how I'm going to do that.
	All right.
	What I want you to do is stand by on the line for a moment, and I'll come to you privately.
	All right?
	All right.
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	All right.
	Back now, I think, to Sean David Morton.
	Sean?
	I'm here.
	We have transferred the proper number to them.
	They just got a digit transposed, is what happened.
	Oh, that's all it takes.
	A 1 apparently looked like a 7.
	I see.
	All right.
	He had to come back to the office to call me to get the right number, so now he's rushing back to another location.
	So they're going to try to call you at, you know, they might be a few minutes late, so we can actually talk about what's going on with this and I think the build up of what's going on with this video.
	Alright, look, first of all, you've got to remember, a lot of people in my audience do not have computers, have not seen The photographs.
	Okay.
	So as best you are able, please describe the two photographs that we now have and are on the website.
	All right.
	Very specifically, the photographs that were released exclusively at first to your website through Rocket Video are of two minutes and 55 seconds of a piece of video that appears to show two men, one in a military uniform and another one in civilian clothes, Sitting with her back to the camera, with the camera looking through a pane of glass, very much like you would have in any sort of interrogation room.
	And at the end of a relatively long table, you see a creature.
	This creature seems to... The table comes up to about the middle of its chest.
	The creature seems to be relatively small, probably about... I would say about three and a half feet tall.
	It has a very, very large, bulbous head.
	with sort of pinkish beige skin very very large almond shaped jet black eyes no nose with a very long extended chin with a mouth at the in the middle of this chin now it seems to be wearing a grayish tunic of some kind that comes up to the the top of the neck you don't actually see the creature's arms in the video the creature in the video is It's bobbling around.
	It almost looks as though it can't keep its head up, which would make sense because it apparently has a very, very small neck relative to a very, very large head.
	In the video, and this is the first photograph that was taken, in the video what you see in this photograph is you can actually see the creature sitting at the end of the table in a darkened room.
	Apparently the room is kept very dark because they have very, very large eyes and they're very sensitive to light.
	You see a monitor on the lower right-hand side that is flashing.
	It looks like a heart monitor of some kind.
	It has a very unusual motion to the monitor.
	It's actually not a... It's not actually like a lub-dub that you would have with a human heart.
	This seems to be actually bouncing straight up and down.
	So I'm assuming that it's some sort of heart monitor or some kind of medical device.
	Towards the end of the video, and remember there's only about 2 minutes and 55 seconds, you see at the bottom of the video letters that are burned on the lower left-hand side, what we call a video burn.
	In other words, they're permanent, which says DNI slash 27.
	And then the rest of the video seems to be a time code showing day, hour, minutes, tenths of seconds, etc.
	that run across the bottom of the video.
	Now what occurs is that you see the creature sort of bobbling in a very unstable manner at the end of the table.
	And the creature at the end of the video goes into a seizure.
	And its mouth begins to open and close as though it's gasping for air.
	Its arms do not come up.
	We don't know if the arms maybe are shackled somehow or maybe chained to the chair, but its arms don't come up.
	The creature's mouth begins to open and close.
	It begins to sort of tip forward.
	A reddish foam begins to come out of the lower left-hand side of the creature's mouth.
	The man in the military suit makes a gesture, and you see then two doctors who step into the frame.
	One pulls in what appears to be a crash card of some kind.
	They pull their masks up as they come into frame, and so the second photo That was released on your website actually shows these two doctors as the creature's mouth is open, as it's actually gasping for air, having a seizure.
	The doctor on the left takes what appears to be a piece of gauze and begins to wipe the creature's mouth, whereas the doctor on the right puts his finger into the creature's mouth and clears the air passage, then pulls out a What appears to be a penlight, and looks first in the creature's eye, and then away, and then in the creature's eye, and then away, and then looks in what appears to be the creature's nose and mouth, puts the penlight back in his pocket, and begins cradling the creature's head, examining the being, looking, what I thought, in a very helpful manner, as if they were very much concerned as to what was happening to it.
	And that's it.
	That's the end of the video.
	Now, many people have seen it.
	It causes a number of emotional reactions.
	Major Bob Dean, who was a former commander for S.H.A.P.E., saw the video and it made him cry.
	He thought that it was a horrible injustice, the conditions that this creature was in.
	Whitley Strieber had an odd reaction.
	We actually offered to show Whitley the video originally, so that he could be on the home videotape that they're releasing, and he refused.
	And then when Strange Universe was released, a small five-second clip of the video, Whitley then agreed, since he was going to be on television, I guess, to actually view the creature.
	And Whitley's reaction was kind of odd.
	A lot of people seem to think that the creature is being manhandled, that it's somehow being brutalized somehow, and from what I could see in the video, I think nothing could be further from the truth.
	It's sitting there, and it does have a seizure, and it seems as though they're trying to help it when it begins to gasp.
	But I mean, there's nobody blackjacking it or torturing it or anything.
	It's just... Well, you know, as you all know, I've interviewed Whitley.
	I've talked to Whitley.
	And as a matter of fact, I talked to Whitley prior to tonight.
	And he was so emotionally impacted by this video.
	If I had said, come on, Whitley, I've got to have you, he would have come on.
	But he really is emotionally Stretched out to the breaking point on this video, and so I decided not to really press him on it.
	He was very much affected by it, Sean, and he did feel that there was some brutalization going on.
	I guess Victor is really the only one who can tell us exactly what the attitude was, but there was some feeling that maybe this alien was not so friendly to us, so In our interrogation of it, we were not so friendly to it.
	You, on the other hand, feel that they were doing nothing but trying to help this creature.
	Yes.
	I mean, there was no rough treatment that we could see on the video.
	Victor hasn't intimated anything.
	He said that the creature was being harmed or it was being brutalized.
	It certainly looked sick.
	I mean, they were trying to communicate with it and trying to get as much information out of it as possible.
	This was probably, might have been the last interview The interview only lasted the three minutes, because when they brought the creature in, they were only clarifying some points from a previous interview, when they were previously talking to it.
	So they were clarifying something, and literally just in the preliminary stages of communicating with it, when it went into the seizure.
	Well, one would assume, since in the second photograph there is a doctor, this creature was breathing our air.
	Yes?
	With some difficulty, but yes, it was.
	And there are actually two doctors.
	It's kind of hard to see the second one, because he's sort of leaning out of the shot.
	Okay, so would you imagine that was the problem?
	Uh, problems breathing air?
	I don't know.
	I don't think it would be, because why would it begin to foam?
	I mean, there is sort of a liquid or a foam that starts to come out of its mouth.
	So it might have been some sort of internal problem.
	And the back part of the skull is very interesting as well, because the face of the creature It's sort of an interesting pinkish-beige color, but the back part of the head looks like sort of a mottled bluish color, almost as if it had contusions.
	I mean, it doesn't look well.
	Of course, I don't know what a well alien looks like, but this creature doesn't necessarily look well, but how can we tell what's well and what isn't for a creature like this?
	I think the most interesting thing is that many of the people I've interviewed and spoken to out of Area 51, have described these gourd-headed creatures, that they have very long chins, that the nickname, one of the nicknames for them out of Area 51 was supposed to be the gourd heads, or the gourd-o's, because they had these very, very long chins.
	That, um, that these beings weren't particularly malevolent.
	They were called the kids, supposedly, or the nickname, anyway.
	The joke was that they were called the kids at the base of the munchkins.
	And, um, that on a number of occasions, both a security guard, two other scientists that I've spoken to, Describe a being that looks very much like this.
	Um, actually described three beings that they saw.
	One, these very, very tall, blonde men who've been on the facility.
	Another race that they claimed was sort of had a flat head, um, very, very strong and muscular, like wrestlers, uh, about four and a half to five feet tall, looking very Chinese, actually.
	And, um, what appeared to have been, uh, something that was very, very humanoid, but also mildly reptilian.
	And, um, They seem to also say that the creature is one of the most interesting things, and one of the accounts was of a person who saw this, was that the creature moved like a puppet.
	That when they saw it, it looked as though it was underwater or having some difficulty with our gravity.
	Which of course would make sense, because here we have a creature with a head that is literally probably three times the size of its body mass.
	Remember, human beings A very, very thick neck and shoulder muscles at the back of the skull with about a four and a half to five pound brain.
	So that would indicate development under different gravity conditions.
	Exactly.
	Different gravity conditions and also under different light conditions as well.
	And possibly different atmospheric conditions.
	Now, maybe it breathes close to what we breathe, but not quite what we breathe.
	That would be very upsetting.
	Yes.
	I mean, if you induce a little bit of too much carbon monoxide, for example, in our air, look what happens to us.
	Indeed.
	Taking this all the way back, there have been obviously rumors for so long from so many people who have had eyewitness experiences with these creatures, specifically at Area 51, claiming that they were there and that they were under the care of the military or they were helping or assisting us, that if this man, Victor, and this video turns out to be genuine and turns out to be real, it's certainly a milestone of a lot of confirmation Of what's going on.
	I mean, going all the way back.
	I mean, obviously, we're coming up on the 50th anniversary of the Roswell crash now.
	The debate between many of the people who were involved in the recovery of the bodies at Roswell.
	Specifically, there was a big difference because the alien autopsy tape that was brought forward is a very, very different creature than the being that the people at Roswell described, which was very, very small, with three fingers and an opposable thumb.
	Looking very much more like the beings that we're going to see in this video, as opposed to the six-fingered, six-toed beings that are actually relatively large that are shown in the alien autopsy.
	And I think that the misnomer is that the alien autopsy footage was actually a crash that may have occurred either in Aztec or Corona, possibly even as close as Paradise Valley to the Phoenix area, and that it was a different creature.
	I mean, it's my theory That we were experimenting with microwave grids at the, uh, in Socorro, at the R-27 microwave towers.
	And that we were experimenting with very, very powerful radar and microwave grid fields for a 3-400 mile radius all across the northern part of New Mexico.
	And I think that that is when those powers went online in the early part of 1947, began to knock all these craft out of the sky.
	Now, there's one other theory to this that I find kind of interesting, is that at the same time, You had German technology that, of course, was captured during the war.
	Victor von Schauberger and the Horton Brothers were actually developing a boomerang-shaped, very fat boomerang-shaped disc.
	Well, sort of a half-disc, like a semi-circle with sort of a jag in the center, looking very much like the Batplane, except sort of rounded on the nose.
	Right.
	And that these craft were specifically taken to places like Area 51 and All right, all right.
	I want to ask a question.
	Would you cite the STS-48 video as proof of the kind of technology you're talking about right now?
	Because clearly there seems to be in the STS-48 video something that comes up from Earth, seems to intercept an object, and that object then immediately changes course and takes off like a bat out of hell away from Earth.
	Absolutely.
	And actually, in that same video, that's not even the most... I mean, you sort of miss it.
	Sort of like a magician, because you see the most spectacular thing coming up out of the atmosphere and then juking to the right.
	But there's another saucer in the lower left-hand corner.
	There's other video from STS-48 that also shows an entire... what appears to be a whole Star Wars operation, complete with buoys and saucers moving and docking maneuvers.
	I mean, it's...
	It's all over the place.
	Well, I've got one little jump on you.
	Earlier today, Richard Hoagland came to visit me, and with him, he brought the STS-80 video, and I've got that now.
	And it shows some things, and I'm not going to give it away because Richard has more research to do, but it makes the STS-48 video look like kid stuff.
	I can imagine.
	All right, look.
	Quickly.
	Area 51.
	I'm adjacent to it.
	There's a magazine article that says Area 51 has moved.
	Where do you think they got this?
	Could it be real?
	Well, originally when I was going out there, beginning in 1991, and when I was doing my research between 1991 and late 1993, and in May of 1991, I found the beginning of the end for Area 51, I found a hilltop that actually looked down on the facility Which then brought all the international world media out there to climb up the hill and look down the throat of the base.
	It was late 1993 that we'd been going out there, and it was December of 1993 when we finally gave up, because we'd been going out there for about four months on Wednesday nights, on alternate nights, literally camping out out there, and really hadn't seen anything.
	We're talking about the things we saw during the day, as we saw the stealth fighter, and we saw some unusual designs of planes, and things going very, very quickly.
	But in late 1993, ...was when they moved the flying saucer technology out.
	I mean, the Papus Lake hangars have been completely destroyed and dismantled.
	And the nine craft that Bob Lazar was working on were, I think, specifically moved to Tucson.
	And I think four of them were moved to Tucson, and three of them were actually moved to a place called the Tungsten River, Maryland, which is outside of Washington, D.C.
	So, they haven't had saucer testing going on at Area 51 since Late 1993, and then it seemed as though the minute the curtain went down and they moved all of the really secret stuff someplace else, the gate went up and the media jumped all over it.
	That's when you had Larry King and Montel Williams and everybody else jumped on it.
	So it was like Olly Olly Action Free.
	Come on down, and the minute there was nothing to see, and people were calling me saying, oh, take us out there.
	And I'm saying, no, because there's nothing to see.
	Now, where are the saucers at?
	Very interestingly.
	Is that in 1990, and remember they'd moved I think a lot of those saucers there into Area 51 in probably about 87, between 87 and 89.
	In 1990 there was a man named George Hanson who took a video on top of the Tropicana Hotel in downtown Las Vegas of a fleet of five to eight diamond-shaped craft that were maneuvering in an amazing way.
	Oh, I've seen it.
	Directly over McCarran Airport.
	Well, tell me, Art, if you don't think that those ships that George Hanson took, those triangular crap, don't look exactly like the ships that parked themselves over Phoenix and Prescott, Arizona, about a month ago.
	They do.
	There's no question about it.
	So, again, because we have almost no more time to the top of the hour, is Area 51 still there?
	Oh, of course.
	It's still there.
	It's got probably anywhere from 3,500 to almost 6,000 people.
	It's still got a six-mile runway.
	It's still a major research and development site.
	Is the article that appeared, what, in Popular Mechanics?
	Popular Mechanics, right.
	Is that disinformation?
	It is and it isn't, because they're talking about Area 6413, which is up in White Sands.
	White Sands has always been a missile testing range.
	What they've moved is they've moved the new space shuttle program up to 6413, which is specifically The X-33 and the very cheap, maneuverable, million-dollar rockets.
	We've got photographs of those on the website.
	Alright, Sean, hold on.
	We'll be right back.
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	It is going to be a very interesting morning.
	Coming up sometime this hour, not yet, maybe shortly, the mysterious Victor, the Area 51 employee, Victor,
	who claims he smuggled a video out of Area 51 of an interrogation of a questioning
	of an actual alien.
	And we back that up with photographs.
	I have a second photograph now on my website, and you are more than welcome to take a look They're up there for your perusal.
	We have otherwise described them as best we can.
	With me also is Sean David Morton.
	And I'm keeping my eye on a special line here, waiting for it to ring.
	Victor will be using a voice changer, as you can imagine.
	He is a current, or just a relatively current employee of Area 51.
	He does not want his voice recognized.
	We're going to get a chance to ask him some questions about this very mysterious space I live so close to.
	Coming up, I think, sometime this hour.
	All right, here we go, folks.
	We do have Victor, I believe, on the line.
	If you want to see the photographs from the alien interview interrogation, we'll find out what it is.
	They are at www.artbell.com.
	That's www.artbell.com.
	These photographs come to us courtesy of a video allegedly smuggled from Area 51 by the man I think you're about to hear from, Victor.
	Now, let us first discern whether we have Sean here.
	Sean?
	I'm here, boss.
	Okay.
	Here we go, I think.
	Let's see if we've got Victor on the line.
	Victor, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Welcome to the program, Victor.
	Yes, I think it's fair to say at this moment I'm incensed.
	This is Matthew with the telephone number.
	Can I ask you who is at your studio at this time?
	Well, I'm here.
	Are you yourself?
	No, my wife is here, of course.
	I do my broadcast from home, Victor, and other than myself and my wife, there's nobody.
	Well, at this moment, I believe that 45 minutes from now I will have finished my last public pronouncement because this business with Jeff and the phone numbers is not part of the agreement.
	Well, Victor, it was just a problem because somebody wrote a 7 instead of a 1.
	It was just a simple mistake.
	All right.
	We're sorry.
	Yeah, we are sorry.
	And it wasn't just a simple mistake is exactly correct.
	Victor, who was that second voice?
	I'm sorry, this is Sean Morton.
	How are you, sir?
	Hello, Mr. Morton.
	Nice to talk to you.
	If you can, Victor, we would like to both probably ask you some questions, if we can.
	Obviously, if you can't answer a question, you let us know, and we'll back away.
	By the way, Mr. Morton?
	Yes, sir.
	I have come into possession of your Delphi Associates newsletter dated April 11, 1997, and I have to say, this is how misinformation proliferates.
	I don't know where you got your information about what I have stated to the rocket people But there are a number of statements here that are incorrect.
	Okay, well maybe we should start there because I tried to check everything with Jeff.
	All I had was... Yes, Mr. Broadstreet, he has successfully prevented me from prescribing myself a double Bush Medal for nerves.
	Frankly, well, let's leave that for the moment.
	In your newsletter you state...
	Victor was assisting in the downloading of video analog footage to digital computer storage.
	I have never stated that I was assisting or participating in this downloading.
	I mentioned the downloading.
	I referred to the downloading in my cryptic attempt to suggest how the tape was smuggled out, as everyone seems to prefer to refer to it.
	Is that a reasonable reference to it?
	Smuggled?
	Well, not in the sense of... Well, later in the same newsletter, Mr. Morton says that I... Let me see if I can find it here.
	Where is it?
	And an opportunity came where he was left unwashed and unsupervised for a scant few moments, which allowed him to make a quick VHS copy of footage he was viewing, and somehow managed to smuggle it off the base in a bag with some other equipment.
	Now, I've never made a statement like this.
	It's a charming theme for a science fiction movie, but frankly, a VHS tape has never come onto or been taken off of the S-4.
	Alright, Victor, this is Art Bell.
	Listen, let's not concentrate on what he's got wrong.
	Let's concentrate on what really did happen.
	Alright.
	Okay?
	So, first of all, how did you get this tape?
	Can you say that?
	I cannot say specifically how I came into possession of this tape.
	I have stated, I've stated in the interview With the Rocket People, which by the way was in September of last year, I was under the impression that I would be through with my contractual obligations to them by Christmas.
	But that's neither here nor there.
	I came into possession of this tape thanks to a confluence of circumstances.
	Which I can relate now.
	I was not able to relate it in September, but circumstances have changed, which we may get to.
	The linchpin of the possibility that was afforded to me to bring out this particular piece of information is that Area 51 is now defunct as an operating location.
	All right.
	for the government's alien program.
	And this process has been ongoing since 1991.
	Alright, can we ask you straight out, did you bring that tape out of Area 51 personally,
	or did you acquire it after it had been removed by somebody else?
	I was the active agent in removing the data that appears on that tape from S4.
	The tape itself is a simple VHS copy which I provided to Rocket Pictures.
	The actual data was digital, a relatively small bundle of information.
	It did not require anything so conspicuous as a VHS tape to be brought out.
	And I will not say at this time whether it was brought out in a discrete unit or whether it was muddled out in some other... Alright, but in a digital form like an AVI file or something like that that you then converted to analog to VHS?
	Something like that.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	What does... Do you know what DNI stands for?
	Department of Naval Intelligence.
	Okay, that settles that one.
	Were you an employee or are you now an employee of Area 51?
	In September, they asked me the same question after we had a pre-interview in which I stated that I would not answer it.
	I suppose it's a question that has to be asked.
	I'm not going to answer whether I was an employee at F4, but I have been physically on the site.
	And you can look into the various options available to an individual to bring them to that secret location.
	All right, Victor.
	Well, not too many people get invited as just visiting to Area S4.
	I would say that's a fair discussion.
	Right.
	So, is it reasonable to ask you how you were transported to the base?
	I live in Pahrump, Nevada, where every morning there are buses, Victor, that take employees to Area 51.
	Hell, it says Area 51 right on the side.
	Other people are flown out to Area 51.
	Yes, well, again, I don't want to specify too specifically because it will tend to indicate when I'm there, but they do run the EG&G 737 out of McCarran, and more recently, CT-43 transports.
	And I suppose I can say I did not take the bus.
	Okay, good.
	Then you flew.
	Next question is, how long had that alien, do you know, been on the base before they filmed that segment of which you have a portion?
	Approximately ten, no I'm sorry, twenty months.
	It was brought in late 1989 and the tape was from January of 1991.
	Okay.
	Do you know how we got our hands on this alien?
	Was it as a result of a crash or a landing or do you have any history at all?
	Well, this brings up A question that's central to the whole issue of the government's retention of these beings.
	I believe the government's position is that they shot this alien down.
	I do not personally believe that the government could shoot this alien down if the alien did not choose to be shot down, but perhaps now is not right time to be getting into the larger issues of their
	presence.
	You are aware that we have then the technology to shoot down alien craft?
	I am aware that our technology has been used to down alien craft.
	Whether our technology is advanced enough to give us the power to choose to bring one
	of these craft down is another matter entirely.
	There are... well...
	Alright Victor, there were a lot of people who viewed the video.
	Some, you know, on Strange Universe, they saw just a very few seconds of it.
	Or no, the entire thing, I believe.
	And Whitley Streber was one of them, who reacted very emotionally, Victor, and thought that alien was being treated Badly.
	Can you characterize the treatment of the alien in the course of the whole thing?
	The alien was being treated badly, but that was not the intention.
	The maltreatment of the alien stems from our essential helplessness to either help or affect them.
	The dog and pony show of a medical team handling the physical debilities of these beings is one of the constant sources of paranoia and chaos within the administration of these programs.
	you find a uh... high degree of of
	uh... well-educated all of them uh... within the program simply because
	the government requires period
	discipline deal with the billion-dollar discipline do not have to hire
	uh... to to backup their uh... their effort on the spring of i've been given a people of uh...
	reaper's appearance on your program not well yes i'm not as well
	yes and uh... i'd reporter on to
	or possibly to statement over the course of of of this
	all but one in particular now He took me to task for a statement I made in the interview to Rocket Pictures, in which
	Well, again, this was second-hand information, but I said that the position of the scientists who had studied this was that the aliens had eliminated viral and microbial life from their own ecosystem.
	and Mr. Strieber made the sensible point from a terrestrial point of view that microbes
	play a beneficial as well as a harmful role in the health and correct functioning of human
	beings and that therefore it was scientifically foolish to make this comment.
	Well first of all I have not specified that I am a scientist so I am not going to jump
	up on my high horse and become offended at this but I would like to point out that the
	overriding quality of these beings is a level of advancement beyond our ability to understand
	what it is they are doing both as beings and as workers of technological apparent miracles.
	Were we able to communicate with it?
	This is another issue that is fraught with ambiguity but let me finish the comment about
	microbes.
	Thank you.
	All the evidence suggests that these beings are biologically inert in relation to our ecosystem.
	They might as well be a petri dish.
	The statement that I made, which again was second-hand background information, but the comment that Uh... seeking to explain the last partition between the interviewer and the being, and seeking to explain the sort of lackadaisical hygienic standards of the medical team, was that there is a half-hearted, by now, attempt to minimize
	microbial contamination of the beings because the microbes and various other biological entities can form colonies within these being systems.
	They operate, their physiology operates in a way that That is symbolically similar, let us say, to human physiology, but does not appear to include the normal biological function.
	Okay, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, can you hear me?
	Hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We've got a break here.
	We'll be right back.
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	My guests are the mysterious Victor, the man who has supplied rocket video with the alien interrogation video, if that's the right name for it.
	I'm not sure it is.
	And Sean David Morton.
	back to them in a moment.
	Now back to Victor who is using a voice changer to protect his identity and
	Sean David Morton.
	Victor.
	Yeah.
	Let me try asking again.
	You've kind of characterized this alien as kind of like a petri dish, or here, at any rate, in a petri dish.
	Might I ask, did we manage any form of communication with it?
	This is the great mystery involved in the government's The telepathic capabilities of these beings have been long established, at least as far as BNI is concerned.
	capabilities of these beings has been long established, at least so far as BNI is concerned.
	That was another statement that Mr. Schreiber struck.
	The statement that the man in the foreground in the video was a telepath seemed like science
	fiction.
	I actually agree with him more than perhaps he would expect.
	The issue here is that no one who has ever been in the presence of these beings has not
	felt as if thoughts, not his own, were entering his brain.
	This has been long established and various experiments have been done in which the government
	satisfied itself that these beings were giving off some form of telepathic or thought transference.
	The question mark is whether certain individuals truly are more capable of receiving and returning
	these messages than the average person.
	And this is one of the elements of the entire Black Program related to alien visitors that I find amusing.
	I believe that many, if not all, of the Telepaths who have been recruited or who have cleverly managed to get themselves recruited into this program are largely the same sort of charlatans you can call late at night, you know, at 99 cents a minute or whatever it is.
	So in other words, you're not trusting of whatever information they think they might have gleaned.
	I believe it is at best heavily influenced by the Assumptions and beliefs and hopes of these individuals, and at worst, is a deliberate attempt to tell the government what the government wants to know.
	and uh... this may account for part of the
	fact that d may account in part
	for the fact the government has had these beings
	for uh... for four fifty years now and and has uh... it's a map of a constant
	uh... and ever-growing stream of data supposedly
	coming from them and yet is incapable of consistently
	using this technology or entering into uh... effective
	relations with these beings Um...
	So you're saying we really have not effectively communicated with them.
	There has been no vocal communication?
	The aliens do not speak.
	What about hand signs or other methods of communication that would tell us these are sentient beings and not robotic in nature?
	That's a very astute question.
	The telepathy and the technology which they so clearly possess are the only signs of their sentience.
	As for their gestures, well yes, they have on occasion used gestures such as stop or
	come here that mimic signs that I suppose they have seen among the human personnel that
	they've encountered, and the civilians by the way.
	But this business of pictographs which Mr. Broadstreet gave quite a bit of emphasis to
	in this video, this never-ending video, which I thought I was through with seven months
	It is important, Victor, because the video, of course, is incredible, but your words about it go a long way toward backing it up or causing people to become very skeptical.
	May I ask you, Victor, why the room was kept so dark?
	Is it because of the large eyes and the sensitivity to light?
	This is the official explanation for the darkness in the room, but you'll note that the alien himself is bathed in light in the room that's dark.
	And I frankly don't have an adequate explanation for this.
	Alright, the alien in the second photograph with the doctor present, whose face I understand has been erased.
	I'm sorry?
	Who told you your face has been erased?
	in the world will do it for the record who uh... well it it looks as though it has been uh... uh...
	which would be good for you i'm referring to a parent physician
	who has his finger a gloved finger in the mouth yes well it's a good picture of the report
	uh... people that the uh... perfect for the better I did nothing, and I don't believe Rocket has done anything to distort the actual images.
	That's interesting.
	In fact, the images are a bit degraded from the VHS copies.
	I'm sure they are, sure.
	The telepath in the left foreground is so dark that a number of people have missed him.
	In fact, Rocket I just sent the video to be analyzed by some computer in Phoenix, Arizona.
	Phoenix, Arizona.
	We've got a picture of Dr. Jim Delitoso in Phoenix.
	Oh, yes. There he is.
	Phoenix, yes.
	He analyzed the footage, made a number of odd statements.
	One thing, he commented on the three human individuals in the video.
	There were four.
	Apparently, he didn't even see the person on the left, which is kind of bizarre.
	Okay, we'll take a look.
	Now, the doctor or the physician, whatever we've got here with his finger in the alien's mouth in the second photograph, the alien was apparently having some sort of seizure and was frothing.
	Was this A dying alien?
	Did this alien die?
	I think you will find that all of the reports of these beings inevitably end with them dying, and most of their appearances Are in a condition that seems to be debilitated.
	In September, when Rocket interviewed me, I was not prepared to say that the alien was dead.
	I only knew that he disappeared from F4, but that was also at the point when F4 was being stood down.
	Do you now know him to be dead?
	I now believe very strongly that the alien is dead.
	Go so far as to say that all of the beings in the government's possession are now dead.
	Are we mistreating them?
	Did the Romans mistreat Jesus?
	This is the central issue for me increasingly and even more so in the time since I brought
	out this tape.
	I believe that these beings are engineering their own treatment.
	They are presenting themselves as a test to us.
	I do not believe that if they were not willing to be treated in the way that we treat them, we would have the power to do so.
	In the sense that these beings are dying in our custody, and in the sense that our treatment of them seems to have no taint of commonality, no successful two-way communication that we can understand.
	I believe that the aliens That brings me to the next question.
	and we understand them and i believe that the
	statement that they make or appear to make
	uh... are calibrated to some purpose of their own which is not clearly
	understood by us that brings me to the next question that is uh... with uh...
	whatever has been divine
	is there anything you're fairly sure you can tell us about what they're all about
	where they're from and what their agenda is in other words what they want why they're here that that
	sort of thing Is there anything that seems clear in any one of those areas to you?
	Clear, no.
	But, I believe in an overarching sense, these beings have been here before, and the program that they are Well, okay, let me try this.
	What you're saying might lead some to believe that they are, in fact, the architect of the human race.
	consciousness and I believe Well, okay, let me try this
	You're what you're saying might lead some to believe that they are in fact the architect of the human race is that?
	without The architect
	Not a term I would use but but in the sense that you mean it I believe I
	I would agree, yes.
	All right.
	You have told us that the Department of Naval Intelligence is the DNI.
	Can you enlighten us at all as to the rest of the coding at the bottom?
	Yes.
	Let me see.
	Do I have the... I'd be glad to read you what we have on one.
	The latest photograph we have says, DNI slash 27 Yes, this is not really the issue.
	Can you hold on one second?
	Sure.
	I'm sorry.
	No problem.
	really uh...
	the issue can you hold on one second? Sure. I'm sorry.
	No problem.
	Yes, at any rate, DNI, Department of Naval Intelligence, 27
	is a uh... refers to a system of decision that DNI adopted uh... back when they first began using time code and it's a
	very re-adaptation of an earlier logging system
	for uh... visual of documentation.
	And then the final eight digits are self-explanatory.
	They're hours, minutes, seconds, and frames.
	Okay.
	27 has no meaning in and of itself.
	It's merely a logging system that can be accessed According to Codebook and what have you.
	All right.
	Some people have said, why is the video so foggy?
	Now, I view it as fairly clear, but one would imagine that with the high-tech video equipment we have, you would get very, very, very sharp images.
	Do you have any comment on that?
	Well, part of the fogginess is the VHS copy, and I'm debating the Possibly.
	When I delivered this tape originally, I was extremely paranoid and I have not become less paranoid.
	But I believe I understand where I stand a little bit better now.
	Are you in fear of your life?
	Well, the simple answer is yes.
	But I'm by nature an observer.
	I have not personally experienced...
	I think I've been relatively successful in maintaining my anonymity.
	the uh...
	so you are you able to speak but uh... you are convinced that they do not
	in the experience of others both individuals who
	who are known to the public because they they they made it into the media and uh... and uh... other
	individuals that uh...
	there are great dangers
	involved in in bringing this kind of information out not because the government is all powerful but because the
	government you know
	you know who told to be out of control or in relation to the phenomenal they they they they crave
	control of the capital control
	and uh...
	at least away from them can become personal
	uh... sean do you have any questions well specifically um...
	Um...
	There was no sound on the tape that we were given.
	Can you... Oh, can I break in here?
	Jeff has just supplied me with a note, which I suppose qualifies as a commercial.
	He says, the video in the rocket tape is fairly clear, not foggy.
	This is true.
	It does look better in the video.
	Okay.
	It is dark.
	Oh, we never did finish that point.
	It is dark, and I do not I do not have an answer that satisfies me for why this business of the aliens needing the environment to be dark does not wash with me, mainly because the being itself is bathed in light.
	On the other hand, well, if I go any further in this direction, I think I may be stepping into the areas that I am trying to avoid.
	You said in your interview that you had actually personally seen this creature on an occasion.
	Can you tell us anything about that?
	This is the case, but I made it abundantly clear that it was not necessarily the session that is represented in this video.
	Can you tell us about what happened when you actually saw the creature and what your opinion was and what your thoughts were?
	No, I can't.
	I can tell a second-hand anecdote.
	If I speak about the occasion when I personally encountered the being, I would be compromising myself.
	Alright, what about your emotions?
	In other words, what did you feel when you were in its presence?
	Can you describe that at all?
	Did you feel awed?
	Did you feel sorrow?
	Did you feel elated?
	What did you feel?
	I suppose I felt sorrow.
	I felt anger.
	I'm not by nature an emotional person.
	I am an emotional person.
	I am not by nature an interactive person, a person who makes a lot of noise.
	I think this would be even more difficult.
	However, like everyone, as I say, who has ever come into immediate contact with these
	beings, I felt an intense presence within me that was utterly foreign to my experience
	before that time.
	And I must say, this has changed me.
	It has had an effect that I did not choose and I still possibly willfully refuse to welcome.
	In the beginning when I brought this tape out, I suppose in a sense it was an emotional reaction to that meeting.
	It's gotten away from me, this effort on my part to do my bit, so to speak.
	That's a very important question, Victor.
	You got this out of Area 51 in the way described earlier.
	Well, not described earlier, as a matter of fact.
	By digital form, in other words.
	Well, it was made possible by the digitizing of these old analog I've got you.
	But my question is, what was your motivation in bringing it out?
	Did you just want the American people to know?
	Is that the idea?
	Well, as a matter of fact, on your own show, with Whitley Strieber, there was something he said that struck me so singularly that I wrote it down.
	As a matter of fact, I have it here on a on a scrap of paper, he said, this is the face that mankind
	is turning to this other world.
	I suppose to some extent that was my motive for attempting to place this before the public.
	I believe that these beings cannot be harmed by us in any significant way, in any way that
	is meaningful to them.
	But at the same time, I believe they are presenting us with a sort of test.
	They have appeared in an incomprehensible panoply of circumstances in front of private individuals who are then left, metaphorically speaking, wandering in the wilderness, unable to Victor, I've got to stop you.
	We're at the top of the hour and I'm asking you to stay over a little bit because we haven't had a full hour with you.
	No, it is one now.
	It already is.
	and this is incomprehensible...
	Victor, Victor, I've got to stop you. We're at the top of the hour and I'm asking you to stay over a little bit
	because we haven't had a full hour with you.
	No, it is 1 now.
	It already is. How time flies, huh?
	Well, you've caught me in the middle of my larger statement, I suppose.
	So I will hold on.
	Very good.
	Standby, Victor.
	Standby, Sean David Morton.
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	Good morning. My guests are Sean David Morton and the mysterious, and for a good reason, Victor,
	who brought out, got out, took out, managed to somehow get out a digital version of the alien interview
	that can be seen in single picture form, at least a couple of photographs, on my website now at www.artbell.com.
	We'll get back to Victor in a moment.
	Now, back to Sean David Morton and Victor.
	Gentlemen, welcome back.
	How far down did you look?
	Thank you.
	We are back on the air, and if everybody would turn off their radios, please.
	Okay.
	Victor and I were just talking about... He was asking me whether or not it was me that found the hill that looked down on the base, and I told him that it was.
	Yes, indeed.
	I don't know if he's there.
	Are you there, Victor?
	I'm here.
	Victor, might I ask, then, Can you give us any physical details of the base itself?
	In other words, what the hangars are like, what the buildings are like, anything at all about it?
	Are you referring to the Groom Dry Lake facility or to F4?
	Either one that you're able to describe, actually.
	Well, the Groom Dry Lake facility has been broadcast several times now on on various programs and it is a relatively open facility in comparison to S4 which as you may or I'm sure you do know is 10 miles to the south and abutting Papoose Lake.
	Well we have seen satellite photographs of Area 51.
	Yes, this is the demise of Area 51.
	You're seeing the The Open Skies Treaty, the UFO tourism, which Mr. Morton is a big contributor to, and also a certain psychological effect, at least that's how I see it, of the Gulf War.
	When the soldiers came back from the Gulf War complaining of Gulf War syndrome, and this saturated the media, I believe this was a direct cause of the lawsuit of the various Area 51 employees who claimed that they had been harmed by the years of fallout from the nuclear testing.
	At any rate, all of these causes contributed to what is now the case at Area 51, which is that the saucer program and the attempts at communication with the beings and the facilities for the beings are now abandoned.
	Alright, we've seen the photographs of what is above ground at Area 51.
	I would be interested in any description of S4, or to know how much of Area 51 and or S4 is underground.
	Yes.
	Nothing significant is underground at the Groom Dry Lake facility.
	However, S4 has four underground levels, or a total of five if you count the surface.
	And these are devoted to, are you able to describe what these levels are devoted to, to any degree?
	The first two levels at F4 are the domain of the back engineering program for the saucers,
	which I'm sure you've heard your fill of from Robert Lazar and others.
	Levels 3 and 4, below level 1 and 2, is the domain of the program dealing with the EBEs.
	It includes the living quarters for the EBEs, who by the way breathe oxygen.
	During the chaos at the phone number, I heard a bit of your earlier program.
	I'm not sure if I heard you correctly debating what the aliens breathe.
	They breathe oxygen.
	They can walk down any street in America.
	Well, if that is the case, can you describe, then, the reason for the apparent seizure that that alien was having, or the reason that they die?
	I'm sorry.
	You just handed me another note.
	Would you repeat the question?
	Would you repeat the question?
	Okay, yes, sure.
	The question is, if oxygen is common, if they breathe as we do, then can you tell us...
	Oh, that I didn't say.
	Again, this is one of the mysteries of the beings and their technology.
	Did I finish my comment earlier about Schreiber's comment about telepathy?
	strivers, uh, uh, strivers, uh, um, comment about, uh, about the telepathy.
	The, the, the, the, the issue, uh, I'm sorry, about the, uh, the, the microbes, they, to
	a certain extent, the beings appear to be only symbolically biological.
	Now, what I mean by that is they, when they're autopsied, they have the organs of a biological entity.
	They appear to function as a biological entity, but there is a lack of the chemical and physical functions one would expect in a biological entity.
	This has led many individuals to consider them to be somehow not quite physical, that they are somehow hallucinatory, no matter how physical they may appear to be.
	But another way of looking at it, and this relates to their technology as well, is to just simply say that we are not capable of
	understanding how they have evolved or how they have changed themselves in their own environment.
	Think about it.
	If you took a simple teenager's CD of today, some rock band, and you put it on a CD player,
	That's a good point.
	Now, Victor, this alien was in distress, obviously.
	and you took that cd and uh... somehow transferred it back one hundred years
	there would be no client
	uh... on the face of the earth that would uh... be able to
	uh... tell you what that cd was for how it operated yes it would be it would be
	as it would be as magic uh... that's a good point now victor uh... this alien was in distress obviously it was sick
	uh... is there something on earth that causes them
	to have a shortened lifespan uh... that you're aware of
	uh...
	This is the source of constant theories and no effective treatment.
	I do not believe that the aliens are dying because they cannot live in our environment.
	I don't want to make too many religious allusions, but to a certain extent, for some reason, my mind keeps coming back to the story of Jesus, which, before this occurred, I did not believe to be a historical fact.
	Certainly symbolically it's applicable that the Son of God would make himself vulnerable to human action when obviously the Son of God would not be in that position in a natural condition.
	Did you see any other creatures being interviewed other than this one?
	I did not personally see any other creatures and I did not see any videotape of other species.
	I saw a videotape of a being of the same species, another being.
	I don't want to get into things that will tend to narrow down my participation and make
	it more clear.
	I am not 100% a believer in the Pleiadian, the various other more humanoid species.
	Do we know where this particular alien is from?
	I believe they are from not here.
	I do not believe that they are necessarily from the far reaches of space, from Theta Reticuli, what have you.
	I, the various scientists and writers and scientists have oscillated different forms
	of alternate universes and I don't believe there's really any scientific understanding
	of this phenomenon, but if I were to choose an answer to that question, I would say they
	come from another dimension.
	They come from a contiguous place that is not available to us, whereas their place and
	ours are equally available to them.
	Alright, what is the tone at Area 51?
	In other words, are they planning at some point, do you believe, to go public, release anything soon?
	will there be a moment of revelation or are they going to continue to keep this
	uh...
	i believe that the uh... you know uh... very real uh...
	radioactive contamination from fallout developing into a cover story
	uh... which may or may not allow the the government to uh... began allowing outsiders into areas if you want to
	show everyone that it was simply a base uh... an artifact of
	cold war spy operations where uh...
	while all the functional operations are moved to
	Northeastern to Utah.
	Okay.
	This is my belief.
	In other words, there is a very good chance that Sean Morton will very soon be able to get off this hill, go down into areas that we want to be told nothing ever happened here.
	I'm sure he'll move over to that.
	You're already trying to say that, Victor.
	Can you confirm the Bob Lazar story as basically accurate?
	What is the Bob Lazar Report?
	I have heard a number of... Victor, I have interviewed Bob Lazar.
	He basically contends that over a period of time he worked on several craft at Area S-4.
	Yes.
	Would you confirm that much?
	I will not confirm that Robert Lazar worked on these craft, but I believe that his information is largely correct.
	Possibly scuttling back behind my anonymity.
	I don't want to specify too much of my own contact with the hardware.
	Can you confirm that those craft were at one time there?
	Yes, absolutely.
	There is no... Yes, I can confirm that.
	Could you tell us where they might have moved those craft?
	I mean, not the other stuff like the X-33 and all the stuff they're moving in Utah, but the actual flying saucers.
	I don't believe have been moved at this time.
	I believe they will be moved, and I cannot tell you how they will be moved.
	right by it i have not made a study of of
	of all of the ufo war but we've uh...
	i will have a cold but don't we're uh... made up for him but the uh...
	uh... that that period of government bases are connected by a bath
	uh... series of underground tunnels that's right with uh...
	which would allow for the people of the people who've got to go now i have no
	knowledge of that i have never
	evidence of people's i'd find it what not hard to believe because i've seen what the
	what the people have allowed humans to do with their technology and i suppose
	that if it were it part of their plan that might make this
	uh... possible but i i i believe it's beyond the scope of of uh... human engineering uh... to present connect edwards
	air force base to
	to Tonopah or Area 51.
	But I certainly believe, even if this is true and I'm not aware of it, that there are no tunnels between area fifty one people between four and uh... between you
	talk about which is where the
	cover the cover program is moving
	on the uh... michael airport station and uh... the uh...
	you know what happened so then the popular mechanics story is a uh...
	it isn't it disinformation popular character Popular Mechanics is running a story saying that Area 51 is moving, and what you just said seems to indicate that you believe that to simply be a cover.
	I'm sorry, a cover?
	Yes, the Groom Dry Lake operation is more or less what the government has Well, for a long time they did not say it was anything but what the government would like you to believe it is.
	It is a testing ground for super-secret aircraft.
	The F-4 site at Luce Lake is the site of the Truly Black Program.
	Now, the Groom Dry Lake activities are unquestionably moving.
	to Michael's Air Force Base and White Sands.
	Now, the saucers, as I say, I don't believe they have moved yet.
	If the situation at Area 51 is to be continued in its current form, then they will somehow
	be lifted or dug to these new locations.
	There are, Victor, a lot of people who have seen these craft flying in and around S4 and
	Groom Lake, and you think the craft are still below ground at S4.
	I believe they are, but I don't believe that anyone has actually seen one.
	The latest, early 1992, late 1991.
	You believe they have stopped flying?
	I believe so.
	I believe any sighting, because this is the thing about the aerial sightings, you know, half of them, more than half of them are wishful thinking.
	And I believe that the frenzy surrounding Area 51, you know, causes the This may seem a silly question for you, Victor, but I want to ask it.
	For however long you were in these areas, were you fed?
	Did they give you meals?
	Actually, I have an interesting story about meals.
	All right, this may seem a silly question for you, Victor, but I want to ask it.
	For however long you were in these areas, were you fed?
	Did they give you meals?
	Actually, I have an interesting story about the meals.
	But as a matter of fact, I can't tell you.
	That would be another case of me identifying myself.
	All I will say about meals is that at level 3 and 4 I have no cafeteria facilities and the personnel who work on those levels do not come up to feed.
	Sounds ridiculous, but there's a dumbwaiter system which has a somewhat amusing visual metaphor for the transportation of the saucers to the surface.
	The plates are coming down these dumbwaiters into the security office as the saucers are being elevated to the surface.
	I've often found this to be It's purely amusing.
	Would you describe this alien as a prisoner or a guest?
	Well, I think you can derive my feeling about it from my earlier statement, but I'll say it again.
	I believe that the government, by turn, like to provide a couple of these creatures being their
	prisoners or or congratulate themselves on being these creatures
	hold but in fact i believe that the
	uh... the creatures are uh...
	are are performing their own uh...
	uh...
	their own function function all right victor uh... we are at the bottom of the hour and
	if you wish to stay we'd love to have you
	all are we going to work for a couple minutes Several minutes, yes.
	Well, possibly I'll stay a little longer, but I must... Good, you're doing very well.
	I understand.
	My feeling is that this is perhaps my last public statement.
	I understand, so we should make it a good one.
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	My guests are Victor, who brought or caused to be brought a digital form of video,
	or video in a digital form out of Area 51, later translated to analog and on VHS.
	That interrogation or interview of an alien.
	Sean David Morton is also here.
	back to them both in a moment you're listening to victor make his last public statement
	And so, Victor, I would like to ask another question.
	Without telling me, because I realize it would compromise you, how you got, specifically how you got this information digitally out, can you describe, in a generic way, the security at Area 51 and S4?
	In a generic way?
	In a generic way.
	In other words, I don't want to know how you got this out, because I'm sure you won't tell me.
	But I would like to know what kind of security they have at these bases.
	You mean personnel security?
	Sure.
	Well, the Groom Dry Lake facility is actually relatively low tech.
	They have badges and they have They have fingerprint readers.
	S4 goes a step further with a retinal scan.
	But as far as the transfer of materials out of either facility, this is strictly controlled.
	In fact, it's an interesting example of how the government fails in its efforts, even on this level.
	uh... the the offices and uh... the facilities that uh...
	that uh... or have numerous personal mementos which were not uh...
	uh... were were not supposed to be brought in and somehow were
	uh... which is a never ending source of amazement to me well if somebody can get somebody in
	uh... something in the court here and i don't want to presume you could get them
	Is a body search a normal course of events?
	Yes, certainly at S4.
	I'm not going to make that statement, but certainly at S4, yes.
	Sean, anything you want to chime in on here?
	Yes, can you describe anything about the hangars at S4?
	Anything unusual about the offices and how the hangars were actually connected?
	In what sense?
	Were there offices at the far end of the actual hangars at S-4?
	By the far end you mean in relation to the personnel elevators?
	Did you actually stay at S-4?
	to the personnel elevators?
	No.
	Did you actually stay at S-4?
	No, no.
	At Groom Lake there are military personnel who sleep at the base, but at S-4 the staff
	is bused in and out on a daily basis.
	You were bused in and out and then flown in and out?
	Yes.
	Well, yes.
	Right, yes.
	In a sense, let us say, metaphorically speaking, that covers it.
	I didn't want to make comments about that.
	Bob Lazar was or claimed to be working in essence as a subcontractor, a civilian, employed to back-engineer these craft that you talked about in S4.
	Can you tell us if you were in that category?
	No, no.
	At this point I will understand that you ask these questions, but obviously that falls within the category of questions I won't answer.
	Can you tell us if your relationship with the people there is still in place?
	No, I will not specify, and I will not specify whether or not I intend to be going on to Utah.
	My profile at Area 51, I think I have succeeded in keeping rather vague my public profile I've reviewed the statements I've made so far.
	I've reviewed the tape I made for Rocket several times, trying to imagine how someone might infer from my statements things that I meant to keep secret.
	Frankly, in that case, I forced them to pre-interview me, and then I nixed a number of questions.
	I think we were just curious as to whether or not you might be able to get into the base again and maybe bring more video out or more information at any point in the future.
	The moment when video could be brought out I believe has passed.
	That's not to say that another similar moment of confusion Uh, and, uh, indecision on the part of the, uh, the, uh, the authorities, uh, won't, won't arise again.
	But, uh, this, this, uh, this particular, um, uh, two, two minute, 55 second clip, uh, was, uh, was, uh, was strictly, um, uh, a case of, uh, of an opportunity presenting itself at a particular moment when, When the facility was in turmoil, when a number of forces came together, number one, they've eliminated all of their video.
	but someone came up with the bright idea that all of this secret documentation would be
	more secret in a digital format. Of course, anybody involved in the Internet knows this
	is not the case. A good chunk of their budget that they didn't expect to be spending is
	now spent trying to second guess the ways in which this information can be spread. But
	at the moment that this clip presented itself to be smuggled out, as we are saying, the
	bureaucratic confusion and the actual physical confusion at S4 made it possible. And that's
	no longer the case.
	An opportunity, alright.
	Uh, Victor, is there any more video that you have other than that?
	No, there's not.
	That is a totality?
	I haven't seen any other video, but this was the piece that I could take in a metaphorical sense.
	I did see the opportunity and I did take it and this was the extent, this was the size
	of the bundle that I could metaphorically again smuggle out.
	The riches that are available are truly mind boggling.
	By the way I was speaking to Morton during the commercial for a moment and he brought
	up the alien autopsy which I believe, in fact I would say that I know has to be a hoax.
	Because if only because the beings in that video did not resemble aliens.
	Any of the beings in any of the other documentation, and I have not seen the actual autopsies from Roswell.
	So, in some sort of strange way, it could be true, but I do not believe it.
	Certainly the style does not resemble any of the material from the 40s.
	All right, Victor, then, what do you say to the people who say This is a hoax.
	I say that's your right to believe that, and I only hope that you study the video before you jump to that conclusion.
	Also, I hope that this is the beginning of a trend.
	i'd believe that uh... i don't believe that the government and and uh...
	uh... uh... can uh...
	stand down at area fifty one and not uh...
	have the kind of week that it cannot into a competitive
	uh... is in the way that so many of previous uh... previously could
	have been performed victory if they were to identify you now knowing that you
	have to go to compete you smuggled this video out your if they found you and
	identified you what do you believe
	would happen to you are you
	I am uncertain.
	Clearly, Robert Lazar is still alive, but I believe that he has suffered more than he really understands for what he did.
	for what he did and there have been others who still remain nameless.
	I suppose at best I would be another doubtful character with a face instead of an anonymous
	question mark.
	At worst, I would be dead.
	Will there be a day in your life, Victor, when you will say, all right, that's it, I will come forward, I want to tell this story, my real name is, and here's what really happened?
	I can't say whether that day will come.
	I've changed in ways I didn't expect since this entire process began.
	When I brought this tape to Rocket, I had an idea about myself and about what I was planning to do after revealing this tape that has not come to pass.
	I'm dealing with the endless confusion that seems to this Coleman character who runs Rocket Rocket pictures led me to believe this would be quick and
	clean and instead here we are almost a year later.
	But at the same time my desires for my own life have changed in ways I didn't expect.
	We spoke about the effects of these beings and my feeling is that I may simply fade out
	not only from this unwanted public persona but also from my life as I knew it.
	I believe to a certain extent these beings are asking us to step away from the life we know and for human civilization to step away from path and step out into unknown areas.
	They don't present us with maps.
	I just wanted to compliment Victor on just being very eloquent and doing this very, very
	well.
	I had some mundane questions like whether or not we didn't see the creature's hands
	in the video and whether or not it was tied down.
	No, it was not tied down.
	The being was weak.
	The being was weak, the being was beaded and was weak but it was not tied down.
	Does it have two fingers, three fingers?
	Can you describe the digits on the hand?
	It has four fingers, one of which resembles a thumb but has a pivot point that a human
	thumb doesn't have.
	It can function almost as a finger or as a thumb.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	I guess the ultimate question I have is...
	Gosh, Victor, where are we going with all this?
	The whole reason I got involved in Area 51 in the first place was not only because they were flying saucers up and down the valley that I was watching and bringing people out to see, but that this technology was so amazing that I thought... Have you seen any evidence of it in the culture at large?
	Of the technology?
	No, obviously not.
	I think you should ask yourself why the government, if it had mastered this alien technology, if it had traded for it or wrested it by violence from these beings, why this technology has not been presented before the world as an example of unimaginable force.
	Well, we were discussing that to some degree, and the STS-48 tape and now the STS-80 tape Show things that would indicate that we do indeed have this technology, and we are indeed using it.
	Not publicly, but we are using it.
	Victor, when you gave this tape... I believe that that's a false start.
	I don't believe it will be followed up.
	and we've got a little bit of a group of people that the uh...
	uh...
	i i believe it was uh... i i mentioned earlier at the the the constant uh...
	the public contact with the aliens make uh... with with uh...
	private individuals but uh...
	probably didn't get to work with the uh... this constant contact with the government uh...
	resembles uh... a test, it resembles a test that the government is failing, a test that the government is
	failing.
	a test that the government is failing, a test that the government is failing.
	Why did you take this tape to them?
	it's spiritual work, if you will.
	When you gave the tape, Victor, to Rocket Video, what was your motivation?
	Why did you take this tape to them?
	Did you want...
	I took it to Rocket Video because I had decided that I wanted money.
	And at the time, I had more rationalizations than I have today.
	But I felt that I was putting myself in danger, putting my career in danger,
	and that I needed to give myself as much latitude for essentially fleeing as I could,
	and that I needed money.
	When I went to Hollywood, hat in hand, rather foolishly, It quickly became apparent to me that almost no one could be trusted to maintain my privacy.
	Not because they particularly cared about upending my plans, but simply because they felt that that the publicity would be to their benefit or in some
	cases in some of the larger organizations I didn't get to the point of actually discussing this but I
	intuited that they were worried about their reputation.
	This business with the alien autopsy, I guess, I assume, from things that have been said
	to a certain extent Fox television has suffered some ridicule that they don't seem to be able
	to shake off.
	But at any rate, Rocket Pictures offered me a deal that I felt I could take that still has maintained my anonymity, although they do keep pushing me to make more and more of these statements.
	Is the end of the contractual arrangement, and it was supposed to have happened before the end of last year, not with you, but with whoever they chose as the outside interview.
	And here we are now, and now they have Germans, they have, I don't know who, the British, they have innumerable people that they want me to talk to.
	And even for money, at this point, I think it's more dangerous than it's worth.
	So you are going to take what money you have been given?
	Well, it's gone.
	I mean, it's not gone, but I have removed myself financially from I need them.
	What I need from Rocket now is simply that I fulfill my agreement with them so that they will fulfill their agreement with me.
	And you now wish to fade into obscurity?
	Absolutely.
	And we will never hear from you again?
	Well, I can't.
	As I say, this entire experience has been not what I expected.
	I initially had a certain kind of contempt for Robert Luthar.
	I thought he was a grandstander.
	I thought he enjoyed the spotlight.
	Perhaps, I can't really say now, I understand the forces that begin to work on you when you do something like this.
	No matter how much you try to keep yourself sealed off when you speak.
	The response that comes back to you has a pull that is terrible.
	Well, there is one big difference, Victor.
	They know where to find Bob.
	They don't know where to find you.
	Yes, well, I am hoping to keep it that way.
	All right, well, I want to thank you for joining us.
	Oh, I see that it's almost two.
	Yes, actually, we do need to wrap this up.
	I think the appropriate term is terminate the interview.
	Yes, well, I gather that was a joke.
	That was a joke.
	Victor, I wish you a safe, healthy life.
	You've answered everything to the best of your ability, and we've asked just about everything we can, so be safe, my friend.
	Be safe.
	When we come back, Sean David Morton, and we got, oh boy, did we get a lot more from that than I thought we were going to.
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	Wow.
	That's my first comment to the last two hours.
	Much more than I expected.
	Wow.
	And I think I want to give you my impressions.
	Then we'll get Sean's.
	Sean David Morton remains with us as a guest.
	In the beginning of the interview, in the first, I think, half hour, I sensed that I was getting a kind of a runaround, or that I was not satisfied with the quality of the answers that I was being given.
	But as the interview progressed, and Victor, to some degree, began to relax, I began to get a different sense, and that was that he was telling me the truth.
	I think Victor was scared.
	I think Victor really is scared.
	And so my judgment of the interview after about the first, oh, maybe 20 minutes, half hour, is that we began to get some real information.
	It was a significant milestone.
	There's no question about that in broadcasting.
	I don't know that this really has been done before.
	Those are my impressions, so I really think my sense was that we were getting the truth.
	And I'm going to say one other thing that will probably get me in trouble, and I hope not with my good friend Whitley Streber, but I held back during the course of the interview.
	I have received a whole bunch of faxes and email Suggesting that the voice pattern that we were listening to, and I was listening very closely, and I must say I'm in agreement, and I'm not saying it is so, not even beginning to suggest that.
	But the halting voice pattern, with an occasional slight stutter, is extremely similar to the real voice pattern of Whitley Strieber.
	Now I'm not saying it's Whitley Strieber, As a matter of fact, we can discuss with Sean reasons why it could not be.
	But it did, in fact, sound very much like Mr. Strieber's voice patterns.
	Whitley's voice patterns.
	And Whitley, if you're out there listening, I think you would probably agree with that.
	I don't know.
	We'll find out.
	We'll talk to Whitley and find out.
	So I'm not saying it was Whitley.
	I'm simply saying the voices or the voice Patterns were very similar.
	I should also let you know that out there taping this entire interview, and now analyzing it, is David John Oates, who does reverse speech.
	Next week, you will hear the results of that analysis, as well as the Jean Benet case.
	So I just thought you might want to know, I didn't want to mention that until now.
	We'll get back to Sean David Morton in a moment.
	Those are my initial impressions of the interview.
	I think we were hearing the real thing.
	I didn't think that at the beginning, but for the last 75% of the interview, I was quite impressed that we were hearing the real thing.
	I'm sure you have your own judgement.
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	Alright, um...
	Now you have my impressions.
	And again, very simply, I was skeptical in the first 20, 30 minutes of the interview, and then became, as time went on, less skeptical.
	I agree with those of you who suggest that Whitley Strieber and Victor have similar voice patterns.
	That doesn't mean it's Whitley Strieber.
	It does mean they sound alike.
	In a lot of ways.
	So, Sean David Morton, here you are once again, my friend.
	Oh, my.
	What a hell of an interview, huh?
	Boy, oh boy.
	Talk about making history on the radio.
	I was stunned.
	As far as I could tell, he answered every question properly, as far as exactly where the locations are, to the descriptions of the transports, the 737s, To the CTS-43s, the retinal scans, the five levels at S-4, I mean, you know, some of that I'd have been able to pick up from the UFO lore, maybe.
	It was, and you were right, the first 15 minutes he was difficult, he seemed obsessed with the minutia.
	I think that when you actually started getting into talking more about, I guess, the cosmic significance of all this, and how And maybe the reason he sounds a little bit like Whitley is because they've had maybe similar experiences as far as actually having a direct connection.
	Possible, sure.
	With these beings.
	Alright, now let's talk for a second.
	I mean, I got a lot of faxes and I held them all back because just in case it could have been true, I didn't want to have a, this interview is terminated kind of deal on it.
	Right.
	The biggest reason behind it not being Whitley is, number one, Jeff Broadstreet, who is actually the producer and the director on this thing I've known for five years.
	And I mean, I've known him since, oh gosh, six, seven years now, going on since 91.
	Okay.
	And Jeff just wouldn't do that.
	I mean, it's just, it's not the kind of integrity thing that Jeff would be involved in as far as it being Whitley.
	Because if it's Whitley, then it means this whole thing is a gigantic scam.
	Right.
	And I don't believe that for a second.
	I know Whitley Strieber personally.
	We're friends, and he is one of the most honorable, straightforward people I've ever known in my life.
	Whitley is a real person, and he would no more do that than the man in the moon.
	But I had to make reference to the fact that I did get all of these faxes, and that I also noticed the similarity.
	There were similarities in voice patterns.
	Yeah, in the words that they used.
	You're right.
	I don't think Whitley knows that much about Area 51, is the second thing.
	Right.
	My partner Larry Germain actually called Whitley on behalf of Jeff, and we asked Whitley if he wanted to see the Alien interview, and he said no.
	We tried to set it up so that he could actually be in the video.
	Well, there's more the audience ought to know, and that is that I considered having Whitley here tonight, and I called Whitley, and he returned my call a couple of days ago, and he didn't really want to.
	But he said, Art, if you want me to be there, I'll be there.
	So I think that also destroys the possibility, because he could not have been both.
	It's also the video that was actually done with Victor.
	The actual video, they're not the same body type.
	It's a different person.
	Yes, they speak the same, but then both men seem to be exceptionally well-educated.
	They both have had experiences with these creatures that, who knows, would obviously expand the mind somewhat and maybe make you talk in terms of this sort of awe.
	It's certainly not an experience I've had of actually seeing one of these beings up close, but it seems that it obviously has a very, very profound physical effect.
	The rest of what I thought was the most impressive was not only his intricate knowledge of specifically what was going on out there, but also I think that the sincerity that I heard when we were talking about the greater picture of this, his allusions to the fact that these beings were somehow giving themselves up or giving themselves over to be tested and sort of poked and probed, that there was really no way that we would actually be able to Capture or shoot down one of these beings unless they wished it, and it may be these two creatures that you saw out there are ambassadors of some kind, that maybe they've literally given up or given over their lives in some noble effort to increase the understanding of what's going on.
	I thought it was very interesting, too, that he didn't cop to the usual idea that beings are made of reticulums or they're from outer space, but instead he went for A much more interesting and more intricate complex, that if these beings were from someplace out there, then logically speaking that they would come from thousands of light years away, take some samples, pick up a few people to put in a zoo or whatever and go home, as opposed to these beings literally being indigenous to the history of this planet.
	They are in every culture, they are in every Myth or folklore going back literally to the beginning of time, which means that they are indigenous to here, which leads to an entirely other theory that they are not extraterrestrial, but in fact ultra-terrestrial.
	That they in fact come from this planet, but from possibly another... An alternate dimension, whatever.
	Or some people have actually theorized that these beings come from this planet, but in the future.
	And that they've actually come back now.
	With some sort of message, or some kind of warning, or to somehow maybe take resources, water, air, human beings, if you will, back to some future time, when maybe we've evolved into whatever they are.
	Well, I had last night Terence McKenna on the air, and we were talking a little bit about time travel, and he had one very fascinating answer to a very hard question.
	And the hard question is, if time travel is possible, where are the time travelers?
	And Terence said, thoughtfully, when time travel is invented, they will be here in mass all at once.
	In other words, you cannot travel in time, in the past, in effect, where there are no roads to travel, because there was not yet time travel invented.
	I thought that a rather interesting answer.
	At any rate, an alternate dimension, yes, possible.
	I thought a lot of his answers were really intriguing and well thought out.
	And it was after we began to back away from the hard evidence kind of questions and gave him a little opportunity to talk about the larger cosmic aspects of all this, When he began to relax, and then we began to get some hard details.
	Well, either that or Jeff must have gotten a couple of shots of that Bushmill in him, I guess.
	You know, he was complaining, hey, they won't let me have a drink, so maybe they gave him a couple of drinks and he loosened up a bit.
	Maybe that's right, yes.
	I mean, just a couple of the interesting things.
	I mean, for example, when he talked about, you know, he talked about the saucers, he talked about Uh, S4 having five levels.
	That, uh, it had four underground levels, um, three of which were apparently for the saucers and for the technology, and that the lower bottom two levels were, uh, for the extraterrestrials themselves.
	Uh, the reason I was asking the questions about the, um, about the offices is because there have been other people that I've spoken to who claim to have been there who say that the offices are actually sort of mounted in the walls, that the walls themselves are very, very thick, and that there are connecting, uh, uh, you know, connecting offices.
	And, um, that also directly relates to the... And it's sort of strange because you have to go back to the original Bob Lazar interviews.
	I mean, all the things he said between 89 and 90, which then changed only on one point.
	And the one point they changed on was his actual physically seeing, apparently on two occasions, at the S4 site, uh, these creatures, which he described specifically as moving like puppets or marionettes.
	Their heads bobbled.
	I mean, they had the exact same motion and movement as the creature that I saw in this video.
	And that, on this one occasion, how he originally told it to a Japanese film crew that I have the videotape of, was that he was standing at the far end of a hangar, and one of these creatures was actually being walked along the far end of the hangar by two security personnel, and their political officer, this Dennis Mariana guy, who was the fellow who was apparently that you know the fog that was
	keeping all the uh...
	all the various people in line to protect
	the one question i should ask uh...
	i should ask victor is that he if he knew this uh... you know the security
	person that was running things there but was art
	specifically described it as uh... it being a horrific experience that
	your brain just paper walks because you don't have a a frame of reference to put this thing in he seemed to be
	suggesting that these beings
	were in effect sacrificing themselves so that we might
	tried to understand or try to understand
	something about them In other words, they were literal sacrifices to us.
	Yes, and that they had apparently something to tell us, some kind of warning.
	Gosh, I mean, all these things I'm thinking of now, that he's off the phone, that we should have asked him.
	Some warning for mankind or for humanity?
	Well, you know, I didn't ask that because when I asked him about communication, he gave a very interesting answer.
	He said, look, they had people who claimed to be telepaths there, and the information that came from them, even Victor, considered to be suspect.
	And so, obviously then, anything that Victor knew with regard to what they might have said telepathically, Would have been literally almost conjecture.
	Right.
	So there was no point in proceeding with that.
	In other words, there was no vocal communication.
	The only communication that there was was apparently telepathically and apparently not very trustworthy.
	And the video that he released doesn't have any audio on it.
	He purposely erased the audio so that the two men in the Uh, the two men who were actually in the, uh, in the room.
	Wouldn't be identified.
	Right.
	Now look, uh, in the photograph that we've got on the website, uh, the photograph of the, of the doctor, Victor said that there was no intentional erasure of his face.
	No, there's, there's two doctors.
	They, what, the doctors, when the doctors step into the video, they pulled their surgical masks up.
	They're wearing surgical masks.
	Okay.
	The picture, the second picture that I've got, Sean, I'm sure you've seen it up there.
	It looks like an intentional Erasure by some sort of graphics program?
	No, he's just... One man is wiping the mouth of the creature and the other one is simply reaching across him.
	He's simply sort of leaning in.
	He's leaning into the picture.
	You're looking at his back as he's leaning into the picture.
	What he's doing is that he's looking into the creature's eyes so that you see only his back, which is apparently not illuminated, and he's reaching into his pocket to get a penlight.
	So that he can actually look into the creature's eyes, nose, and mouth.
	When is this video going to be available to the general public?
	Supposedly, within about... I would think about two to three weeks now.
	It was supposed to be released, I think, June 15th.
	And the rest of the video is being hosted by Stephen Williams, who played the black Mr. X on the X-Files.
	The one that was killed at the end of last season.
	He's hosting the video.
	The rest of the video is sort of, I guess you would call sort of a thumbnail folklore history of extraterrestrials.
	It theorizes about creatures that were shot down maybe at Roswell.
	It talks a little bit about the meeting, the supposed famous meeting of Dwight Eisenhower at Muroc, which is now Edwards Air Force Base, when he was supposedly playing golf and spirited away and then met with a number of these beings or creatures.
	That there was a treaty that was signed because we had apparently come up with the microwave technology to shoot their craft out of the air.
	This later became known as Project Sigma and that Project Sigma was supposed to be an exchange of knowledge and some sort of technology in exchange for allowing these beings to apparently come and go and or the theory is that they were supposed to have also been allowed to I've heard that, and then there are other motivations with regard to our environment, and I want to talk about that when we get back, and a lot more.
	this program supposedly got out of hand is a lot more people are being abducted
	and probed and implanted because these beings were at the end of some sort of
	genetic breeding curve and that they needed human dna to then cross breed with
	their dna somehow i've heard that and then uh... there are other motivations
	uh... with regard to our environment and i want to talk about that when we get
	back and a lot more so stay put shawn
	now you've heard shawn uh...
	david morton's reaction to the interview as well as mine and uh... i'm very interested in yours and
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	Sean, the interview we did with Victor is going to be argued about from now until Doomsday.
	If it is his last public appearance, as he suggested it is, people are going to be talking about this and arguing about it forever.
	More or less, I would like to leave the subject and move on to a couple of other really important ones.
	Sean, from every indication I have, every guest that I've had, from Native Americans to prophets like yourself, to religious leaders like Father Martin, to, and I could go on and on and on, I won't, to the book I have written, The Quickening, It is clear that we are headed toward an event.
	It is clear that in every area of human endeavor, economic, political, social, environmental, things are rapidly increasing at what I call an exponential rate.
	I believe that I've documented this in my book.
	I would like to turn around and ask you, from the interviews I've had this week, last night with Mr. McKenna, Earlier in the week with Stan Dale, everybody seems in agreement on the basics of this.
	Are you?
	What's coming, Sean?
	Initially when I started publishing the Delphine newsletter in 1993, as I said before, I was the only one that was saying that I didn't think it was going to be so bad.
	That, as they say, time often makes fools of prophets, and that for the people that believe that the extreme is going to occur and that nothing is going to occur, I think it's going to hit somewhere around in the middle.
	Many have said 2012 is a key year, and many of the remote viewers are unable to look past 2012.
	Well, there might be a reason for that, and the reason for 2012 being so unique, let me give you the scientific aspect of it.
	Around after 1945, when we started testing atomic weapons, one of the things that we noticed was that the electromagnetic field of the planet began to jump and juke rather wildly.
	So much so that in just the last few years, compasses and electronic equipment for commercial aircraft that used to have to be reset maybe even five, seven years, now have to be reset almost every 30 days because of the unstableness of the electromagnetic field.
	Now there's a very rare book that I got my hands on.
	It was actually a white paper by the military called The Flight of the Key Bird.
	And specifically what it said in this book was that they took the last of the B-29 bombers, actually the only one left was the Enola Gay, which was in the Smithsonian, and they outfitted this thing for an Arctic expedition.
	And they then began to track the magnetic fields of both the North and South Poles.
	One of the most interesting things that they found is that the atomic testing on the planet And actually, not only began to flux the electromagnetic field of the planet, but also knocked the planet slightly out of kilter.
	In other words, it's knocked the planet almost slightly off orbit, so that what's happening is that the huge tectonic stresses of the planet are such that the rotation of the planet is counterclockwise.
	But the precession of the equinoxes, in other words, the top of the planet actually moving Around in a circle is clockwise.
	And so because these two motions are actually moving in opposite directions, you have massive tectonic strain that's actually being put on the Earth.
	Add to this the fact that now we've sort of got a tennis shoe and a washing machine kind of effect, where the planet's been knocked slightly off kilter, and their greatest fear was that the electromagnetic north and true north would actually meet, and their projection of this, and this book was from, actually from the early, late 1960s, early 1970s, Was that this was going to occur around 2012 to 2013, and that an electromagnetic pole shift would begin to occur, and that the first things that we can expect as a precursor to this happening would be what they call the Schumann resonance of the planet actually jumping.
	Now, the Schumann resonance is the basic electromagnetic frequency of the Earth, which used to be about 7.83 Hertz.
	Which in just in the last few years has jumped.
	It is now almost 9.1.
	And as a matter of fact, last June 22nd was when it jumped to, well, it was about 8.7 or so.
	And then it jumped to 9.1 last June 22nd, which is one of the things that caused a great deal of the blackouts of electrical systems in the western part of the United States.
	They never really did account for why that occurred.
	Well, I believe it's because the dynamos and They have to be directly geared into the ground frequency of the planet, because we're running the entire planet on a very harmful artificial electrical system that's geared to 60 cycles.
	And the reason it's geared to 60 cycles was simply so J.P.
	Morgan and Thomas Edison could hang a meter on electricity and charge people by the minute for electricity, which is why it was set at 60 cycles, so they could charge people by the minute or per second.
	If we'd actually gone with Tesla's system, Which was actually bringing low frequency energy at the 7, actually back then it was like 6.5 to 7.83 Hertz, directly up out of the planet.
	We could have actually lit the entire world with the natural energy inherent in the Earth.
	And of course the famous conversation was, J.P.
	Morgan said, so, you're telling me any idiot can put an antenna up in his yard and have free power?
	And of course Tesla said, yes, won't that be wonderful?
	And J.P.
	Morgan said, well, we've got a nice padded room for you, Mr. Tesla.
	And then Mr. Edison, he'll have a way we can make money off this.
	The big thing in this report, and this was a military report, had nothing to do with the New Age or anything, it was sort of willy-billy, was that an electromagnetic pole shift was actually possible in 2012 to 2013.
	And if that were to happen, then that would mean that everything that is connected to a ground wire, which is of course every electrical device we have, would fry.
	And it had the potential of actually wiping the human mind clean.
	So talk about actually hitting the reset button.
	Wow.
	It could actually mess up the electromagnetic engrams in the brain so that you would have, like, a mass memory loss.
	Literally a complete reset of the human brain.
	Wow!
	Wow!
	I've never heard this before, but it certainly makes sense.
	Think about it.
	Think about what would happen if the North-South Pole suddenly shifted.
	We would be reborn as we speak.
	Stand here.
	And what do a lot of these psychics and what do a lot of these remote viewers see?
	They can't see past 2012.
	They see people sort of wandering around in sort of a half-in, a half-out kind of state.
	They don't understand why there's so many people sort of confused and blank.
	Well, that would be amazing.
	We would, in essence, in one instant, be as the total amnesia, and we would be wandering around looking at all of this dead stuff around us, and I refer to electronics.
	Not even beginning to understand what it is like children.
	And one of the biggest things that I've seen in my progressions ahead of approximately a hundred years from now, and what I do specifically, was there was a technique that I was taught by my teachers in Nepal that is very much like what we would call past-life regression, except for in this case it's a post-life progression.
	But it's even a step further than that.
	It's actually a soul transference where you can actually go forward to where your life
	is approximately 100 years from now and actually sort of change consciousnesses so that I've
	actually been to that space about 100 years from now and had a chance to look around and
	take a look at what the world is like and try to get an idea of what the history was
	like.
	A lot of what they have, the last part of the 20th century before 2012, to them is kind
	of a mystery because apparently we dump most of the world's libraries and we put everything
	on disk and because of this electromagnetic flux in the planet and there's actually a
	couple of bombs that go off near major cities up in the air, electromagnetic pulses, it
	virtually wipes out our culture.
	I mean... Well, we'd have books, but we wouldn't know how to read them.
	Well, indeed.
	And I'm not saying that that happens entirely.
	I mean, if the electromagnetic pulse shift were to happen, you would have... And, of course, it has happened.
	We know it's happened.
	150 times, I think, in the last few million years.
	Just by going down into core samples, we can actually get an exact, you know, an exact dating.
	That's right.
	Just by the filaments in the iron as to what goes on.
	My vision of this, from what I see, is that a lot of what's going to happen, I think, is going to begin to happen in September of this year.
	And the reason I think that, that 1998, late 1997-98, we're in sort of a two-year cycle now, it's kind of unusual because 1998 is a weird year for a number of reasons.
	Number one, If you actually study the time coding and prophecies, the sacred geometry inside the Great Pyramid at Giza, it states that the Christ figure, the last one, or who we know of as Jesus Christ, was actually born sometime in September of 2 B.C.
	Now, there's a lot of evidence, actually, that he was born closer to August of 7 B.C., but that the actual Messianic god force then infused him when he was in 2 B.C., which would then explain why Mary and Joseph and Jesus were in such a hurry to get out of Jerusalem and get to Egypt, quite possibly to have Jesus initiated in the Egyptian mysteries.
	So, literally, September of 1998 is the year 2000, is the beginning of the next age.
	And it's also weird, too.
	1998 is kind of unusual because we're at the end of what I call a seven-year tribulation cycle, that the United States did not really begin in 1776 as everybody believes but when
	the bill of rights was actually finally adopted and all the colonies
	agreed to it that's when the government was actually put in place and that was
	September 27th of 1791 so a 200 year cycle of a nation in other words you
	have four opportunities of 50 years to do certain things and the average lifespan
	of a nation is about 200 And if you don't obey certain laws and codes and do certain things as a society or civilization, there is a judgment that is then placed on that nation.
	And then it goes through a seven-year tribulation period beginning in the fall of, I believe, 1991.
	Moving through that through 1998, the fall of 1998, Well, I think that beginning at the end of this year, you're going to see the first major thing that I predicted was an entire series of hurricanes and tornadoes that would hit Florida.
	Now, you've just seen that big water spout that was just off Miami.
	Yes.
	And one of my major predictions was that you would have actually six very, very solid, very heavy hurricanes, all of which would be about 150 miles an hour or over.
	And that they would pound the coast over and over and over again, and that this hurricane season would actually occur almost two months earlier than it usually does.
	And that was the first indication, is that we've got, with the electromagnetic field of the planet actually shifting, there's also something else that's going on, because the hyperbaric pressure of the planet has also changed in a certain way.
	Some people theorize that this has something to do with the Jupiter effect.
	Now, I know it seems far away, but when Shoemaker-Levy actually struck Jupiter in 1994, It actually did flux the gravity in the solar system, and the shockwave from the Shoemaker-Levy blast has actually yet to hit the Earth.
	It's going to hit us somewhere around 2001 or so.
	It takes that long for the shockwave to get here, and the theory is that it will cause something called the Jupiter Effect, which will cause sulfurication of a lot of water supplies and contaminate a lot of the natural water that's above ground.
	So, another weird thing about 1998, too, is that for the first time in history, is that if you divide 1998 by 3, you come up with the number 666, which I think is unusual, and it being just two years before the millennium, I really do think that you're going to see a substantial increase in the collapse of the political and economic system.
	I think that Bill Clinton is probably going to try to save his political life from impeachment, By escalating the war in Bosnia-Serbia-Herzegovina.
	And I do think that you're going to have a substantial war between 1998 and about the year 2002 that will be based specifically over Bosnia-Serbia-Herzegovina that will then bring in what will come to be known as the Islamic Jihad, which is a group of northern African countries, the Islamic countries grouping together, And I also think that the very bad news is that you're going to see a revitalized and belligerent Russia with the death of Boris Yeltsin.
	And somehow, and I've been saying this for a couple of years, Zarifnovsky, Victor Zarifnovsky, somehow gets in through the back door.
	It's a trick of the Duma.
	He somehow takes control.
	Chermoydin doesn't want to stop, and Zarifnovsky comes in.
	And this has been leading to an entire series of very interesting dates.
	And these very interesting dates are correlated directly to not only astrology, but also some very interesting things that are going on biblically as well.
	And let me just give you the dates moving through here.
	The Great Pyramid says that this entire age begins November 30th of 1985.
	And the specific quote is that powerful spiritual influences will begin to irradiate the enlightened, bringing them closer to spiritual and material perfection.
	That this would literally be when the force of the creation, or the Christ force, would become physical.
	And that this physical force would begin to manifest in people becoming more open-minded, in choosing new paths and new directions for their life.
	And that culminates on February 21st of 1999.
	And it specifically says that that is when the Kingdom of Heaven comes to Earth.
	Now, what exactly that means, I'm not sure, but it's the beginning of people coming out of society We're forming an entirely new philosophy, if you will, of technology, of mind, of spirit, and that is truly the beginning of what they call the cleansing of the tabernacle.
	There has been a 40 year period from February 21st of 1999 that then leads to the coming of a second messianic figure.
	And that this second Messianic figure, which is symbolized in the Great Pyramid by what they call the Messianic Eve, which is a red granite stone block that sits right at the entrance to the antechamber of the King's Chamber, that this Messianic figure comes sometime in around the year 2034.
	Actually, it's between 2034 and 2039.
	two thousand thirty four so that uh... actually between two thousand three four two
	thousand thirty nine the figure is born or incarnate in two thousand thirty
	four and it's not the annex figures and eventually
	takes control apparently as a as a child in two thousand thirty nine
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	Here we go.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hi.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	Good morning.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Los Angeles.
	Okay.
	Basically, I'd like to ask Sean... Good morning, Sean.
	Hi.
	I'd like to ask you... This is kind of off the track a little bit, but what is your opinion about the origin of the Oklahoma City bombing?
	Well, I mean, it would just be my opinion, but...
	I was one of the first people to print in my newsletter that there were two blasts that came from the University of Oklahoma.
	There's a lot of material in it.
	Art has had numerous people talking about it.
	A newspaper called The Spotlight has been running a number of stories.
	My opinion of it was that it was somehow an inside job.
	I think that Timothy McVeigh is probably going to be found not guilty.
	Specifically because the government is blowing its case because I think that it was a government sting operation that was designed to infiltrate the militia that basically got out of hand.
	And they're willing to let McVeigh stand alone as sort of the lone nut in this case, just so they won't tip their hand as far as their involvement.
	And there's a body of evidence to support that the FBI knew that the oklahoma city bombing was happening and also
	knew that the world trade center bombing was happening well in advance and did
	nothing to stop it well we know about
	a number of cases in which the uh... the fbi was involved in a sting
	either got close to or was in fact executed not necessarily in oklahoma
	but elsewhere and so that is an imaginable scenario but you think
	they're going to be they have blown their case I believe so, and I think McVeigh's going to walk, and I think the reason he's going to walk is because they've basically decided to let him stand alone as the lone nut, rather than grouping him in with a large group of people, possibly foreign, possibly having to do, maybe, possibly with the Iraqis and the Iranians, and there's a lot of other evidence for this case that proves that McVeigh
	Okay, but let's delineate here.
	This is your opinion versus what you have divined.
	My opinion.
	Just a personal opinion.
	Okay.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hi.
	Hi, Sean.
	From what I've heard, you are obviously a false prophet and a liar.
	From what I've heard.
	Isn't that nice of you, sir?
	Jesus clearly stated that you can't set the time.
	Only the Father in Heaven knows the time of the rapture and the end of the world.
	Well, I don't believe in the rapture.
	I think it's a mythical thing that was perpetrated by the Schofield Bible in the 1800s.
	So, I mean, we have a difference of opinion right there.
	As far as specific times go, you're absolutely right.
	If there was a guy you knew and he actually came back from the dead, wouldn't you want to know what that guy said?
	I'm sorry?
	Jesus, he's saying if there was a guy who died and came back from the dead, wouldn't you want to know what he said?
	Yeah, wouldn't you want to know what he taught?
	If it actually happened.
	If a guy came back from the dead?
	Yeah.
	You mean today?
	Not particularly?
	Call her!
	You know, you can have a conversation without calling people morons and all the rest of it.
	We don't need you.
	I used to be a hater of God.
	I used to be a pagan like this guy.
	Guess what?
	Jesus Christ is the smartest person I've ever met in my entire life.
	All right, sir.
	I appreciate the testimony, but not the name-calling.
	Do you want to address this, Sean?
	He's off the line now.
	You know, he is representative of what a lot of people will say.
	They might not be as mean-spirited about it, and you've got to wonder about these so-called Christians who come hurling names and are so mean-spirited.
	It doesn't seem so Christian to me.
	But do you want to address the religious side of this?
	The religious people out there who are saying, Sean Morton, false prophet.
	Well, the only thing I can tell you is that the reason I print the newsletter in the first place is so that I can have a printed track record of the things that I talk about.
	The track record is pretty darn good as far as very specific predictions of time frames as to what's going on.
	It's not my job to convince anybody, Art.
	I'm not trying to convince anybody.
	I'm not trying to prophetize.
	I'm certainly not trying to start some kind of cult or religion.
	It's just my job to inform.
	I'm not trying to browbeat anybody or change anybody's mind.
	I'm just trying to tell them, inform them of the facts available, inform them of what it is I've seen, inform them of the fact that in the past, no matter what our fine, misguided young friend might think, I have a substantial record of being correct.
	and um... i studied how substantial
	uh...
	right now i mean the last newsletters from two months ago i mean we had
	nineteen hits in the same newsletter Everything from... Gosh, everything from... Okay, 19 out of... Well, out of... Let me see, the two I was wrong on was... I was wrong about Peru, specifically, because I saw the hostage situation taking a very bad turn in Peru.
	And I was wrong about, and I might not actually be wrong yet on this, but I actually thought it was Corey Panzer.
	Who was the one that was taken into custody by the Torrance Police that was responsible for the Ennis Cosby murder.
	And it turned out to be Michael, somebody else who was actually involved with Corey Panzer, but it turned out not to be Corey Panzer.
	So out of everything that I talked about, those are the only two things that were out of whack.
	The rest of it was the death of Deng Xiaoping, the cloning which would be happening in the United Kingdom first and would become a worldwide issue.
	Uh, the eruption of Mount Popataca Petal, that it would first erupt specifically within the next few months, which it did, and that the first eruption would be rather mild, causing some evacuation, and that there would be another eruption, uh, now and about the next four months or so, which would then lead to a very, very substantial earthquake in Mexico.
	Um, so as far as, you know, and unfortunately, uh, when you study specifically the Great Pyramids, and you study the timelines that are in the Great Pyramids themselves, they It does tend to contradict in some ways the fundamentalist, what appears to be the fundamentalist Christian line, and in some ways it confirms it.
	I think rather spectacularly, it does talk about a Christ figure born in Jerusalem, born in 2 B.C.
	that ushers in a brand new age.
	It talks about the return of this Christ figure, and it gives a specific date for his birth.
	It gives a specific date for the return between 2034 and 2039.
	I mean, the dates are just right there.
	You just have to understand it.
	And I went to theology school.
	I mean, this gentleman... Well, on behalf of most Christians, I apologize for his attitude.
	It doesn't matter.
	Once again, I'm not trying to convince anybody, and I'm not trying to... I understand.
	Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I have something to tell you, Eric, and I've been trying to tell it all night.
	We collected a group of teens over here and we're kind of computer enthusiasts, you could say.
	Doing what?
	Well, actually we're really interested in what the Department of the Interior is doing lately.
	You know, with the Montana people and taking away their lands and stuff.
	Well, that's what I've heard.
	Anyway, so we've been researching on it and I think you might be interested in this.
	We turned that into a Department of Interior server to get some dial-out numbers so we could access it more securely.
	You hacked in, in other words.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so?
	So we got a land allocation report in Montana from the BLM which listed a phone number in DC as a reference.
	Yes.
	So we war-dialed the DC number.
	Yes.
	You know what war-dialing is, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, and we connected into a system that asked for a pass, and we gave one of the BLM passwords.
	Yes.
	And it connected through that, and it asked for a document number, so we put in the BLM number, and it said, you know, printed out the land acquisition document again, and we said, next document, and it started talking about, it started talking about, like, the raid on Rancho Santa Fe that they were planning, and I'm not sure what that is.
	They didn't raid.
	I thought the people just, like, committed suicide.
	Excuse me, a raid on Rancho Santa Fe?
	Yeah, like a weapons charge for, like, weapons and illegal chemicals.
	You mean that was in the planning process?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I wasn't aware that... I thought they went through that.
	Have you got printouts of this?
	I can send them to you.
	That's what I'm suggesting.
	Okay.
	Well, hold on.
	There's some other stuff, too.
	Well, that'll do for now.
	Just send that off to me, sir, either by snail mail, fax it to me, whatever.
	If you've really got documents, send them to me.
	We will post them.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My name's Chris.
	Yes, Chris.
	And I'm from Victoria, British Columbia.
	Yes, sir.
	All right.
	Canadians.
	Not too bad, eh?
	We're not that bad with that.
	Okay, anyway.
	I was just wondering, considering the missionic figure that would be appearing possibly, do you believe that this so-called figure, which is to arrive, could be a spurious or false messiah, which would arrive before the true Christ?
	Because I just have a feeling that things are boiling down to some form of a deception and a And a crisis situation that might come in to usher him in, actually.
	Well, just about everybody feels something's coming.
	This is one more angle.
	Sean?
	Yeah, I mean, there's actually... It's very interesting, because in the history... How can I explain this?
	From what I've seen from 100 years from now, in my soul travels there, in my projections there, There's a figure that rises up out of Islam that becomes a very powerful figure who's very much worshipped as a messianic figure, uniting Islam together.
	He's called Jamal, the Beautiful One, at least that's how history records him.
	Comes out of Iran, specifically Persia, links a lot of the Islamic countries together.
	There is a conflict between the West and Islam There's also, in my opinion, a very false messianic figure, a guy running around calling himself Lord Maitreya.
	begins the end of next year and lasts for about four years or so up to about 2002-2003.
	There's also, in my opinion, a very false messianic figure, a guy running around calling
	himself Lord Maitreya.
	Very specifically, the Tibetan Buddhists talk about Lord Maitreya, but that Lord Maitreya
	does not come until the year 2489, so it's almost 500 years away.
	There's actually a series of, and this is one of the very interesting things about the
	very interesting things about the prophecies and predictions within the pyramid at Giza, that
	prophecies and predictions within the Pyramid of Giza, that it talks about a series of four
	it talks about a series of four more messianic figures that this next 500 year period that we're
	more messianic figures, that this next 500 year period that we're entering into, from
	entering into from February 21st of 1999 up to 2489 is actually a 500 year age which is known
	February 21st of 1999 up to 2489, is actually a 500 year age, which is known as the messianic
	as the messianic age in which there will be a messianic figure who comes in 2039, takes control in
	age, in which there will be a messianic figure who comes in that there's actually a series of, and this is one of the
	2039, lives approximately 120 years and then it's sort of a line of succession that's very much
	like how they pick the Dalai Lama, that actually the Christ essence will then infuse another
	candidate or another individual and that these individuals are then born at the planetary shocker
	point. So the next one, the last Christ was born within the shocker point of Giza, specifically
	near the great pyramid. There's six main shocker points on the planet, Lhasa, Tibet, Cairo,
	Egypt, specifically the great pyramid at Giza, Stonehenge, England, Machu Picchu,
	downtown Los Angeles, which is actually the fifth or throat shocker of the planet, and Osaka, Japan,
	actually right outside of Osaka in a place called Tenri City.
	So, the Tibetan teachings say that these messianic figures, the next one will be born somewhere near Stonehenge, which is one of the reasons why the crop circles are appearing now.
	They're sort of a way to prepare the way or show Symbolically, that this next messianic figure is going to incarnate sometime in between 2034 and 2039, somewhere in Stonehenge and or Ireland, and then we go into a 500 year age of these messiahs, and then another 500 years, and actually, if you even read the Book of Revelation, which a lot of people don't bother to do... I'm actually very familiar with it.
	Well, we've got a thousand years.
	We're actually only entering the pre-millennial period.
	I mean, the true millennium As you know, it doesn't even start until the year 3000.
	So we've got a long, long way to go.
	Just one more quick question, and that was about the... In order for so-called these prophecies to come to pass, and the so-called Antichrist, would there not have to be another temple erected in Jerusalem?
	Yes.
	That's actually the last of the major predictions.
	To happen is that the Dome of the Rock would somehow have to be destroyed.
	The Second Temple of Jerusalem would have to be built.
	The Antichrist would then probably have to find some way to actually use the Ark of the Covenant to power some sort of world computer system.
	Another interpretation of this, however, is leading us all the way back to Area 51.
	Area 51 is called Dreamland because it stands for Data Repository and Electronic Amassing Management Land.
	It's a spy base.
	Alright, hold it right there.
	The Beast.
	Good Lord.
	supercomputer in space which they call the beast system and it's called the
	beast system because beast stands for battle engagement area simulation and
	tracking. All right hold it right there the beast. Good Lord. All right again for
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	It is, and I'm going to give Sean a little preview of what I'm going to ask him here in a moment.
	This comes from Fred and Mike in Seattle.
	Please, PLEASE ask Sean to describe the new technology he sees coming in the near future.
	In a moment, we will do exactly that.
	Alright, let's do exactly what we said we would do.
	Sean, what do you see in The field of new technology, it's moving at an ever-accelerating rate.
	Where are we headed technologically?
	Well, it's kind of an odd question, Art, because I mean, I know what we're capable of, and because I've seen some of the technology myself and spoken to people who have worked on it, as have you, the question then becomes what's going to be politically feasible for them to release.
	For example, IBM has already Advertised in every major magazine in the world that they are already working on digital teleportation Literally they took out two-page ads in most major magazines that said that that teleport that that IBM engineers We're now working on a digital teleportation system, and it would change the way We think in the future and if you remember the ads that had a break that down to English digital teleportation do you mean breaking down or down into energy and
	Transmitting specifically inorganic matter from one place to another and then reconstructing it.
	Inorganic.
	It takes a huge amount of memory.
	It's immensely expensive.
	It's very difficult, but already the ads in the magazines, if people remember it, had an IBM ad of an older American woman and a Japanese man on either side of the page.
	It was a big foldout on the inside cover on the first page.
	And it said, Irene used to fax recipes for her goulash to her friend Hashimoto In Japan, until one day she said, why don't I just teleport you over a batch?
	Sound outrageous?
	IBM technicians have recently investigated digital teleportation that will change the way we think and live.
	IBM ideas from out of the blue.
	That's already being advertised by IBM.
	I was, it was in every major, I mean, you know, I don't know how many people were asleep during this, but it was in every major magazine.
	I was.
	I must have been asleep.
	I never saw it.
	That's incredible.
	I will send you a copy of it.
	I'll look forward to that.
	So we have digital teleportation.
	I interviewed a man in Canada who now has, his name escapes me off the top of my head, who now, he can take these sonic wands and actually point them at a cannonball or any object and actually use sound to levitate an object.
	No matter how heavy the object is, it takes a few minutes for it to build a mass.
	I saw a 16 pound cannonball float about a foot off the floor and begin to spin and then shoot up into
	the ceiling and put a hole in the ceiling as this man actually put these sonic wands to
	it.
	The actual increases in technology, we've got men like Victor who are actually coming
	out of places like Area 51 with alien footage.
	But what I'm telling you is that we've also got scientists who are breaking away from
	the establishment who realize that we're going through this quickening of mind and spirit
	who are taking designs and technology, very, very advanced super technology and are walking
	away with it to release it to the rest, to the world.
	Alright, that's a perfect opening for what I want to say to you now.
	I want to read this to you, see if you agree with it.
	Art, this comes from Daryl.
	I would be willing to bet that we were hearing the real thing.
	Referring now to Victor.
	There was some halting in his voice delivery, alas, Streber.
	But given the fact that he was selecting his words carefully and other speech characteristics that were not similar, nope, not Streber, that was one hell of an interview.
	Sean is right about the man's level of education also.
	Note that his anger, fear, and general emotional expression were appropriate and, I think, genuine.
	If this was legitimate, we know who runs the show, and it's not us.
	And, if they didn't want him to give this interview, He would not have been able to do so.
	Do you agree?
	No, I don't think they're that powerful.
	I'm not even sure they're that well organized.
	And remember, he's gone to great lengths to protect his identity.
	He's absolutely right, there was a period of chaos at Area 51, primarily because of the public attention that was going on there.
	They're having to actually move the saucers.
	Remember that Area 51 from about 1986 on was actually controlled by what appeared to be a private organization.
	I mean, there were Wackenhut, which were private controls.
	That's right.
	They were requesting that the AOE, I'm sorry, the DOE, the Department of Energy, and the Air Force turn their radar off on Wednesday night so they could test something without actually letting the Air Force or anybody else know about it.
	Everything is compartmentalized.
	It's not that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
	It's that the fingers on each hand don't even know what another finger is doing.
	So they compartmentalize the scientists.
	You have three guys who work in a team.
	They don't know what the people at the end of the hall are working on, or the people right next to them.
	They don't eat together.
	Everything is so insanely compartmentalized that only a very few people know what's going on.
	But these same men are walking out with technological advances and breakthroughs.
	I think the things that are going to be introduced to the public Obviously massively increased telecommunication systems.
	They've already, I'll tell you what they're working on now.
	Originally they were working on computers that ran on a type of blue gel.
	And I think that the space-based computers are actually what they call quantum computers.
	That they found a way to actually store data on an atomic level.
	And I wanted to get back, our other friend who had the other question, I just wanted to briefly explain, for those with apocalyptic visions, here's something that fits directly into it.
	Dreamland, standing for Data Repository, Electronic Amassing Management, or Establishment Management, specifically is a spy base.
	The SR programs, like the SR-71 Blackbird and the SR-75 Penetrator, Stanford Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and they have a space-based supercomputer that they call the BEAST, which stands for Battle Engagement Area Simulation and Tracking.
	their eventual goal is to put chips
	into either the back of the hand the forehead directly behind the ear or the buttock
	and track everything from humvees to tanks to people on the ground and i
	eventually believe that these chips will then be introduced as part of a global positioning system to the
	rest of the population will g that's exactly
	what the book of all of the revelation talks about as far as the mark of the
	beast and that the first of the great plagues that comes out
	happens directly after those people who take that mark
	eight months later they break out from sort of skin disease which looks like
	leprosy and i think it's because of the power supply actually leaking into the
	bloodstream of that anybody who takes this I mean, you know, if you want something really scary, that's exactly what it is they're doing out there.
	God.
	All right.
	A lot of phone calls.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi.
	First of all, where's Sean born?
	Santa Monica.
	Santa Monica.
	Close to Los Angeles.
	You can think of that as the Shocker region.
	Art has had numerous modern day prophets on there, from Courtney Brown to Ed Dames to Gordon Michael Scallion, and everybody has their own vision of what's to come.
	I'd like to really sort of put you to the test here, Sean.
	Can you give us something very, very specific within the next six months?
	I'll give you a bunch of specific stuff.
	Let's go.
	The next one is going to be, and I just predicted this in the newsletter two months ago, Another eruption of Mount Popatica Petal in Mexico.
	That's fairly generic.
	That's happening now.
	No, but it's specific.
	It's happening.
	Give us a date.
	Give us a date of something very specific.
	A date?
	Yeah, a date.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	August.
	Late, mid to late August.
	From the 15th to about the 1st of September.
	Okay, what's that?
	Mount Popatica Petal.
	I also think, let me see, hang on, okay.
	Mexico City.
	Hmm.
	All right, I'm looking at late September.
	Last two weeks of September, but first week of October.
	It's vague, but a very substantial earthquake above a 6-8 in Mexico City.
	And also, oh, I'm picking up Japan as well.
	The very northern island of Japan, there will actually be one of the islands north of Hokkaido will actually submerge.
	Due to a quake there, I believe, in the next six months.
	In the next six months.
	Let me give you, hang on, let me see what else we can get.
	This is good.
	I'm glad you're asking these questions because it helps me focus and get specific.
	You can actually look for some, ooh, this is interesting, earthquake activity in Pennsylvania.
	That's odd.
	That is odd.
	Northern, Western regions of Pennsylvania, there are some things that are going to begin to ignite.
	Not big at first, but towards the end of the year, like a 5-2 somewhere in Pennsylvania, and very substantial quakes.
	Holy smokes!
	There's something next year.
	I mean, like I said, I believe that the beginning of September of this year, through 1998, is going to be the beginning of the year of hell, and that the United States is going to go through more changes As far as its economic systems and structures, one of my big ones that I've been saying for the last two years is that the stock market was going to go to $8,000, and then readjust once it hits $8,000, and that was going to be used as part of a reversal in the money system.
	Because I definitely think that the Federal Reserve System and the Internal Revenue Service, within the next year or so, are going to begin to unravel.
	It's part of an 86-year cycle that we're going through, which is actually a cycle of Uranus, but that goes back to astrological cycles.
	Specifically, there will be two biggest events that I see happening.
	There will be an island in Japan submerging.
	The two biggest earth changes I see specifically are a very substantial earthquake in the northern part of Japan and Mexico City, and the biggest news this year is probably going to be this series of six hurricanes that I see uh... pounding florida one afternoon a lineup to just pound
	it one after another puerto rico the bahamas
	uh... and it's already started my prediction was that it would start
	uh... much earlier than the hurricane season usually was winds are going to be
	the biggest problem we've already had the flooding um... but the winds are going to be a very very substantial
	problem all throughout the south and uh... uh... typically florida and
	everything south Alright, is that specific enough for you, caller?
	Well, no, I want to know when the island in Japan will actually submerge.
	What's the date on that?
	An exact date?
	Well, I mean, he said basically late August, September.
	I'll tell you what I'll do.
	What I usually do is I put the dates in my newsletter, because the closer that we actually get to an event, the easier it is for me to see.
	And I know that you can see now a target date, like a week to two weeks.
	Culler, that's pinned down within... Well, he claims to be a prophet.
	That is pinned down to within a couple of weeks either way.
	So we're looking at late August, early September.
	That's what he said.
	Okay, good.
	So that's about a three-week area for you for the quake north of Hiketo, which is up above that.
	Great.
	Thanks, Sean.
	And actually, I'll publish it in the newsletter, and then you can, you know, if you subscribe to the newsletter or give a call at 310-217-7579.
	You know, the reason I publish it in the newsletter and the reason I write a newsletter is because it allows me to, like, for example, if I see a quake happening in 98, the closer we actually get to the event, the more specific I can become.
	All right.
	Wall Card Line, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	This is Robert in San Joaquin Valley.
	Hi.
	Sean, good morning, sir.
	Good morning, Robert.
	I've got a couple of questions, but before my questions, I'd like to quickly mention, because you were talking earlier about the Earth and slowing down.
	I heard that in June this year, they're adding another second to the atomic clock, which means it's 20 seconds in the last 24 years that they've added.
	And then prior to that, they estimate that the Earth didn't slow down one second per millennium.
	Did you hear about that?
	Yeah, that's amazing information, but it totally makes sense when you consider the increased wobble of the planet.
	Yep.
	That's incredible.
	Mr. Bell?
	Yes?
	I'm holding in my hand something here you've never seen the length of, sir.
	And that would be?
	It was sent through South America, quietly through Central America.
	I received it about two years ago, and it's supposed to be an authentic chupacabra blade slayer.
	Well, the way things are going, send it along.
	I'm going to need it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Hello.
	Could this be me?
	That be you.
	My goodness, I didn't know what I would say to you, Art Bell, when I finally ever got in touch with you.
	I'm so excited.
	Where are you?
	I am in Michigan, Lawrence, Michigan.
	My name is Patrick.
	I listen to you out of 890 out of L.A., 1100 out of Cleveland, 1140 out of Virginia, 1210 out of Philadelphia.
	I drive truck at night.
	In other words, do you hear us?
	Yes.
	Good.
	I'm so excited.
	Have you ever heard of Bob Frizzell?
	That's somehow a familiar name, yeah.
	He has a book that's come to me.
	now it's called nothing in this book is true but it's exactly how things are
	uh... flower of life yeah okay right and i have to talk about uh... sacred geometry mentions linda
	molten howell richard hoagland and everyone
	it's a little bit of everything you're putting together in other words it pulls it all together is what you're
	saying It does.
	I wonder if you could ever get him on as a guest.
	It's a good book.
	It's a lot of fun.
	He sounds like he'd be a good guest.
	You give me a way to get a hold of him, we'll proceed.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sean David Morton.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, this is Lakota Bear in Anchorage, Alaska.
	Yes, sir.
	uh... yeah i've been noticing um...
	that uh...
	sharm was saying that uh...
	nineteen thirty nine with the uh...
	when the uh... quite comes back i don't go to your to more
	more out of the truth uh... to do a bell two thousand thirty nine two thousand
	thirty nine ninety thirty nine two thousand thirty nine okay
	when that graph fourteen it talks about uh...
	like art and say about the uh...
	are quickening or tribulation if that does not be too many people left
	in all nations that graph
	uh... fourteen sixteen you put what you're up
	opinion on uh... the asteroid hit near In 2012, let me give you the scientific facts, I'll give you my opinion.
	In 2012, there's a meteor which is going to graze the outer edge of the atmosphere.
	You can call most astronomers and talk to them about it.
	They're afraid that this meteor is going to, when it grazes the outer atmosphere, actually explode.
	And if it does that, then you have a whole group of smaller chunks of meteorites that rain down upon the planet.
	In, specifically, The Prophecies Within the Pyramid, it does talk about a river of fire occurring in 2012, specifically, that everybody thinks that they've survived, holding on to their own ways and their own technology, get literally knocked into the pit or the abyss by this river of fire.
	The only two meteor strikes that I've seen, from a perspective of actually traveling to the future and trying to ask them about their history, is that there is a meteor strike sometime in the year It's 2027, and it's way up near Greenland somewhere.
	I mean, it's south of Greenland, and this meteor that actually explodes somewhere around late 2012, early 2013, it creates this shower of rocks all across a big chunk of the world.
	A hundred years from now, the population of the planet is approximately 1.8 billion.
	So that gives you an idea.
	But by 2050, the entire world is completely rebuilt And by 2075, it's a wonderful place to live.
	Alright, Sean, that's a good positive note on which to end things, because we're out of time.
	Give the number for your newsletter again.
	Okay, once again, for those of you who wish to subscribe and you want some information, the number is 310-217-7579.
	That's 310-217-7579.
	That's 310-310-217-7579.
	The Delphi Associates newsletter is $50 for a one year, 12 issue subscription.
	I just want to say, Art, what a pleasure it's been.
	I hope all of you out there, may the Lord God be your hope and your power and your shield.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Good night.
	Sean David Morton.
	This program, both the earlier portion with the interview, the two-hour interview with Victor, very much unexpected, but that is the nature of radio, and particularly this program.
	Uh, and of course now the segment we have done, uh, very provocative with Sean David Morton is available as a five hour tape.
	Now, uh, the lines are gridlocked.
	Uh, so I would suggest to you that, um, you try throughout the weekend or even into next week until you're able to get through.
	It is a 24 hour number.
	It is a five hour program and the number is one.
	800-917-4278.
	That's 1-800-917-4278 to get a copy of the program we have just done.
	Now, one other final plug because this, the day has finally arrived.
	nine one seven four two seven eight to get a copy of the program we have just
	done now one other final plug because this the day has finally arrived the
	broader outlook of everything that is going on is contained in a book that
	poured forth from me like water from a tap It came so easily.
	It is a documentation of what we are in the middle of right now.
	It is called The Quickening.
	And finally, FINALLY, the second printing of the first edition is available for immediate shipment.
	That means right now.
	And I am still autographing copies.
	Now, I cannot tell you how long that will go on.
	I can only promise you, if you order now or get it ordered soon, you will get an autographed copy.
	I will let you know when the old hand gives out on the second edition.
	So I wouldn't wait.
	If you want a copy of The Quickening, the 24-hour number is 1-800-864-7991.
	for watching.
	That number again for the quickening is 1-800-864-7991.
	Yes, I will be here Sunday with Dreamland.
	Wait till you hear that one.

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