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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these expansive time zones.
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unidentified		I'm Marcell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to welcome a station that's not on the air.
		It's KAOK AM in Lake Charles, Louisiana, normally occupying 1,400 on the dial with a kilowatt, covering Lake Charles in a grand fashion.
		This is the home of my good old friend Lynn Woodlake, the weather guy.
		Remember Lynn and I?
		Lynn and I used to chase tornadoes together, and I called Lynn earlier, and he was on sharp alert, and they were getting, well, they had tornado warnings and violent thunderstorms and 65 mile an hour winds, another case, violent downdrafts, and it looks like my affiliate, K-A-L-K, on this Friday night, Saturday morning is off air.
		Now, it may well be that when I repeat this program on Monday night, Tuesday morning, they'll be on air by then or even later this morning.
		So whenever you guys make it back on after the big wind, welcome to the network as well, WGBF AM in Henderson, Kentucky, covering Evansville, Indiana, for example.
		Great to have you along.
		1280 on the dial in those cities.
		Good to have you on board.
		What are we going to do?
		What is this program all about?
		Hard to explain.
		We're going to do two things tonight.
		Robert Ghostwolf will join us in about an hour.
		In about an hour.
		We have moved our schedule a little bit because of what has occurred.
		You're not going to believe what has happened.
		NASA, for whatever insane reason, has ruled out sending a probe to Jupiter's icy moon, Europa.
		It's unbelievable.
		A Europa where just recently on Nightline there was a big show and everybody was excited and NASA was having press conferences and they were saying, my God, there's water, there's an ocean, there's more water than there is on Earth.
		What a fascinating place.
		And they just canceled the idea of sending a probe to Europa.
		It is absolutely unbelievable.
		Arthur C. Clarke is haunting us.
		Remember that?
		Go anywhere you want, but leave Europa alone.
		I mean, this is just beyond belief.
		So Richard C. Hoagland, Instrument Science Award winner, advisor to NASA and Walter Cronkite at one time, is going to be here in a moment to try and tell us why.
		I mean, this blew my mind.
		I've got the article here, and I'll read a little bit about it in a moment, to try and explain why this is occurring and whether we can do anything about it.
		It's unbelievable.
		And then in about an hour, we will have Native American Robert Ghost Wolf, who will talk to us about Native American prophecy.
		So it is going to, all the way around, be a very, very interesting evening.
		I suggest you stay put.
		All of that begins in a moment.
		All right.
		The article is entitled, NASA Rules Out Probe to Jupiter's Icy Moon, Europa.
		Dateline, Cape Canaveral.
		Two weeks after crowing about mind-blowing photographs of a possible life-sustaining ocean on Europa, NASA officials decided that Jupiter's icy moon wasn't worth the trip.
		In what space experts called a strange decision, NASA on Wednesday passed over two proposals to send probes to Europa.
		And the article goes on.
		Quoting Richard Berenston, it's kind of a strange decision, he said.
		He appeared two weeks prior on Nightline and was one of those whooping it up over what they had found.
		And it's just absolutely beyond reason to me that now they have decided we shall not go to Europa.
		And one of the principal people, I'm sure, disturbed about this is Richard C. Hoagland, whose birthday happens to be today, and he's 52 years old, and that makes him my elder.
unidentified		You had to get that in there, didn't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so tell me, Father Richard, what the hell is going on?
		I mean, of all the things, we're not going to Europa.
		It is the most interesting recent discovery that has been made, and it was on a list.
		It should have been at the top of the list, and they're now ruling it out.
		What the hell?
unidentified		Well, you know, there are several things I could say.
		So let me say the most awful thing that comes to mind.
		I told you so.
		At some point, you and the American people are going to get it, that the space program is rigged.
		It isn't real.
		It's fake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, a lot of times when you say this stuff, I shake my head.
		But tonight, I'm really shaking my head in agreement.
		I can't believe this.
		I mean, the face on Mars.
		The most interesting feature on Mars by a long shot.
		They don't want to look.
		Europa, an ocean, life.
unidentified		The holy grail.
		The 30 years of the space program that we have put billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars.
		And in the next break, I'll figure out how many billions to tell everybody how much they pay to do this.
		And we finally find the Holy Grail of the last 30 plus years of the space program, which is a whole planet with an ocean, which has existed since the beginning of the system.
		The only other place within reach of our technology in your or my lifetime, if everything else remained equal, where we have an even chance of finding something extraordinary, something alive.
		And as you said, two weeks ago they had an incredible party at NASA.
		Candles and rockets and horns and sirens and people jumping up and down and my car saying we found the smoking gun pointing directly at the subsurface ocean and Richard Terrell saying there's more water there than in all the oceans of the Earth.
		And Berenson talking about the photos meant that Europa had the three ingredients, water, hydrocarbons, and energy.
		And now we find that it's boring and there's no reason to go with missions that are under $100 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is impossible.
unidentified		Impossible.
		Unless there's a hidden agenda.
		Now, what I have been puzzling for, I mean, this is one heck of a birthday present, because as opposed to being down, I'm almost elated tonight because it's very hard to spend 15 years working on what we've been working on and finding out the books are cooked, the deck is stacked, the game is rigged, any cliche you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard, you can't be happy about that.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
		The reason I'm happy is because since it's fake to begin with, the sooner the American people get to figure out that it's fake, the quicker we can all change it.
		The only reason that these turkeys are allowed to do this and do this and do this and have been doing it ever since we went to the moon, and they only claim there were rocks there, and the astronauts come home with a marvelous piece of amnesia because they miss seeing all that neat stuff that we know is on the photographs, is because the American people let them get away with it over and over and over again.
		Now, why do they do that?
		Because at some deep level, they don't care, Art.
		They don't give a damn.
		And history has proven when people in some kind of Republican or Democratic government don't give a damn, the people inside play fast and loose with the truth, their money, and everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bottom of the article says, NASA spokesman Doug Isbell said the Europa proposals, quote, just didn't make the cut, end quote.
		Now, what the hell does that mean?
		Didn't make the cut.
		It's more interesting than any other thing that I can think of to go to out there, and it didn't make the cut.
		How did it miss the cut?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Obviously, what we need to find out is how this decision was arrived at.
		Whether somebody didn't have their wheaties this morning, you know, they got up on the wrong side of the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they throw darts, you know, with planets and water.
unidentified		One of the things you ought to do is next week you should pick up a phone and call John Delaney, who is the oceanographer at the University of Washington who invited me to go down in the bathysphere of the Alban to look at some of these underwater smokers that we believe are the analogs of some of the volcanoes on the seabeds of Europa.
		And one thing I didn't tell you is that Ted Coppel contacted me and he wants to go.
		I had invited him behind the scenes last week and he contacted me through my friend there and he said he wanted to be part of the mission to go about a mile down under the Pacific and to examine firsthand these things.
		And my idea was that Ted and I would have a conversation with John about what was being seen out the window a mile under the Pacific as an analog to what we could expect when John's machines made it to Europa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I ought to have Professor Berenzon on too.
unidentified		That would be an excellent idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean maybe he'll have a few days to think about why this could possibly be because he appears to be astounded.
unidentified		Well he's obviously not in the loop.
		They obviously didn't give him a good reason.
		And he's saying in a very controlled way, it's a kind of strange decision.
		It is compounding because...
		I doubt it.
		What I think this is indicative of is a much more interesting and serious revelation about this hidden agenda.
		Because you know that at the major press conference, the one that was held on April 9th, the one thing that was glaringly missing from all the excitement and celebration and all that was our work 17 years ago, which laid out the scenario, which predicted the ocean, predicted the biology, predicted the conditions, et cetera, et cetera.
		That's not our, you know, and I'm going to try to do this in a way that doesn't appear self-serving, but that's not the way you play the game.
		History is replete with people who have, in some quiet garret, penned a theory, and then science caught up with a technology to measure or find out or whatever 20, 30, 40, 50 years later and they're remembered.
		In this case, NASA politically could not remember me because I come, as Jay Ng said, the guy who wrote for the Toronto Star a few weeks ago, I come with baggage.
		I come with Sidonia.
		I come with the moon.
		I come claiming that a tiny part of NASA has been manipulating the rest of the agency and the rest of all of us and has hidden most of the neat stuff that the space program has now found over the last 30 years.
		And up until the evening of April 9th, the official efforts to keep me out of the dialogue and the work that I did 20 years ago was succeeding and brilliantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until night one.
unidentified		And then Ted Koppel basically blew the game totally out of the water by being a man of integrity and truth.
		And you could see it on the face of Wes Hunters, who is the Deputy Administrator for Space Science.
		And all the while that Wes sat there, regaling Ted with missions to Europa and digging under the ice and putting down antennas and little Alvin-type submersibles and sniffing for biology, an incredible scenario, you could see in the back of his mind he was thinking, how in the world can we get out of this box?
		Because you understand that once Koppel opened the door, two days later NBC called.
		And then this week, PBS has called, and there's a series of people who want to talk to me, as is kind of appropriate, to find out what I was thinking about details to paper almost 20 years ago predicting that Galileo would in fact find exactly what NASA claimed it had found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we go with this scenario, then what do you think NASA thinks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That if they simply cancel the mission to Europa now, that all will fade away and interest will go and people will forget and what?
unidentified		Well, it's, you know, we have Washington crises where the admonition is to bite the bullet.
		You know, if you're going to have bad stuff happen, have it happen quickly.
		The public has a very brief evanescent memory.
		You know, you come up with a 90-day wonder on the 91st day and nobody remembers, nobody cares.
		So this may be a flat for 24 hours and then because it isn't bread and butter, it isn't taxes, it doesn't hit people where they really live, where they really care, it will go away and the whole thing will fade and Sidonia is safe.
		The agenda for hiding what's out there will be safe.
		But let's paint the other scenario.
		Suppose they had gone ahead with the missions.
		Then in their projection now, since they've seen what we're doing on the web and they see what you and I do and they see what Coppel has done, and they cannot predict who might get intrigued, every time there's another story about going to Europa, in the back of their minds they've got to be thinking, oh my God, there's going to be Hoagland and Sidonia coming along free for the ride.
		And at some point, because this is an entirely a battle about credibility, this is all about do I know what I'm talking about or I'm some kook or flaker idiot.
		The fact that the mainstream is now recognizing that I'm not those other things, that in fact I do know what I'm talking about, and we are doing careful science and we have found some amazing things, that must be terrifying some of those in NASA who would seek to prevent us from knowing what's really out there on the Earth's moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If what you say about what they're hiding is true, then it would make sense that it would terrify them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
unidentified		And the way you cut it off is you simply cancel missions to the most extraordinary, exciting place, bar none.
		Even Mars, even the moon.
		If I had my bet, if they said, Hovely, you can go to one of three places, there's no doubt in my mind I want to go to Europa because you see, Art, the biology there should still be there.
		And given the hyperdimensional model of the physics we figured out, you and I haven't had time to discuss the implications of what's really waiting in those oceans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll talk about that.
		But Richard, let me ask you this.
		Your irritation to NASA aside for a moment.
unidentified		Please, let's get this straight.
		There are 28,000 people, and they're going down rapidly because they're laying them off, who are straight and true blue and believe in what I believe in.
		There's a tiny handful of manipulators who are hiding what we need to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it be as straightforward as this, that yes, you know, they think there is life?
unidentified		No, they know there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even know there is.
unidentified		Let me tell you why I think they know.
		Galileo has been in orbit now, what, a year and a half?
		How many pictures have you seen from the Galileo mission?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen one.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Well, if you go to the web and you look on the Galileo page, you can count them on two hands.
		And they've taken thousands of pictures, Art.
		And when they flew within 363 miles of Europa, which by the way is tetrahedral, that's a whole other discussion, you have seen none of the really, really super, super close-ups.
		The photographs that were shown on April 9th at the press conference were from 7,000 miles away.
		What do you think the real close pictures show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
unidentified		We don't know.
		And unless we make one heck of a big fuss, we're never going to know.
		And that's what it comes back to the American people.
		If you guys out there really give a damn, other than me and Art and a few wackos who think this is important to the future destiny of the human race, it's only if you make your voices known, if you contact Koppel at ABC and John Holloman at CNN, don't bother telegraphing or faxing or calling NASA.
		They don't care.
		You don't count on their radar screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've given up on NASA?
unidentified		Well, I've given up on going directly because they obviously don't care.
unidentified		The fact that they haven't taken any close-up pictures of Hale Bopp since October of 1996, and they're lying when Van Flandern starts poking around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give us an update on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has there been any movement?
unidentified		There has been no movement in the last two or three days.
		However, the scientist who put in his proposal is pissed that the electronic email basically ignored his request and referred back to a much earlier scientist two years ago whose proposal in fact was turned down.
		In other words, none of these people seem to be able to be straight anymore because there's too much writing on the data and the real information and it's all become a matter of spin control and spin doctoring and manipulation and this is called science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And you know as well as I do there are reports suggesting if we discover life, it would upset every paradigm from here to Christmas.
		Well it will.
unidentified		So?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I know who cares?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not Richard Hovind.
unidentified		Look, this is a country designed to be at the experimental edge of the future and the unknown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying could that be why they won't go to Europa?
unidentified		Then why did we spend billions of dollars getting to the point of taking these pictures and having that press conference?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well maybe they had to find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they had to find out how interesting it really was before they made the decision that they can't go there because it's too interesting.
unidentified		And maybe it should be our decision and not theirs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe you're right.
		All right.
		It is our tax dollars after all.
		Are you surprised?
		A decision, a firm one apparently, not to go to the most interesting place we've found called Europa.
		Unbelievable.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I'm Art Bell.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We'll get back to subject material in a moment.
		That's Europa.
		We're not going there.
		NASA has decided we will not go to Europa.
unidentified		Incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here with a comment on this whole Europa cancellation is the Strange Universe producer that you know as Jim Forbes.
unidentified		Jim?
unidentified		Good morning, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in Montana, I guess.
unidentified		Bozeman.
unidentified		And I just got out of a bunker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A bunker in Bozeman.
unidentified		No, actually, I was at Corwin Springs with Elizabeth Claire Profit, and I was down in one of the bunkers all day, and I have just come up and heard this news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm stunned.
		What do you have to say about it?
		I mean, you know a little bit about this.
unidentified		You know, I know the big announcement in April, earlier this month, concerning the Europa.
		We did a major piece on it back in January with the earlier findings that were coming about.
		And the most straight, credible scientists in NASA, at Jet Propulsion Laboratory, at NASA Ames, Eugene Shoemaker, they're all convinced that the best chance of life in the universe is Europa.
		They were all confident we're going there.
		I'm stunned to hear this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so based on what you just said, hopefully you will go back and do some investigation and talk to some people and run a piece on this.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very glad to hear it.
		Listen, while I've got you on the line, Jim, coming up, do a little promo, coming up Monday.
		What's coming up Monday?
unidentified		Well, Monday we're looking at the whole Heaven's Gate situation in Hailbox Campaign.
		And obviously it's something you're intimately aware of.
		When we first came up to do the profile you in November, that's when it was first breaking with the ashramic image and then of course with Courtney Brown's.
		Right.
		So since Heaven's Gate, and we spent the evening of Heaven's Gate with you in Nevada, as you were going through this great introspection, what we've done since then is go through the chronology of it, look at Courtney Brown and the revelations of Hale Bott's companion back in November, and you're releasing the image on the website in January and the fraud essentially that's taken place.
		And what we've done, we're dedicating our lead story on Monday to looking at this and how this all came about and in fact that the image was a fraud and looking as to how it really came about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so the whole story laid out on Monday on Strange Universe.
unidentified		Lead story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, in the meantime, I'm glad you're on this Europa business, and we've got to find out why this really smells.
unidentified		I'm stunned.
		As I mentioned, you know, when I was with Eugene Shoemaker at Meteor Crater earlier this year, we sat on the rock overlooking the crater, and he was very matter of fact that he was so excited that he had put in a proposal, as a matter of fact, with NASA for one of the projects to go up there.
		I know Chris McKay at NASA Ames has done the same.
		I know the scientists at JPL are absolutely convinced that this is the best chance of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So can you fathom any reason for an absolute cancellation of the trip there?
unidentified		I answer this in a vacuum because I haven't heard the reasoning, but no, I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll look forward to your report.
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim Forbes, Strange Universe.
		Thank you very much.
		And back now to Richard C. Hoagland in Manhattan.
		There you go, Richard.
unidentified		Well, I'm glad to see that Jim is on the case because shows like Strange Universe are part of the way the American people get information, given that the mainstream media seems to not even notice.
unidentified		There is no mention on any major news program of any of the networks or the cable shows or whatever that I could see today or this evening that even had this as a blip on their radar screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is just beyond all reason, Timmy.
unidentified		Well, I mean, in terms of what they're concerned with, which is things like Oklahoma City and, you know, the China syndrome vis-a-vis Clinton and the President's summit coming up in Philadelphia this weekend, in other words, NASA is betting that the American people are so concerned with the immediate,
unidentified		with gratification, with luxury, with television, with TV shows, with movies, with fads, with O.J. Simpson, with anything, that they really don't give a darn, and what they will do is simply forget this, and they'll say, oh, well, it probably was a waste of money anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the bet.
		You know what?
		It's probably a pretty good bet.
unidentified		No, I think it's a very bad bet, and I will tell you why, because the physics is changing.
		Remember, I keep saying the good are getting better?
		I have seen a series of faxes and communications coming in that are very affirming to my point of view, which is that people do care.
		They have a longer vision.
		Remember, this is a society that was built on the idea of a frontier.
		The only frontier left is space, the final frontier.
		And people in their gut, even if it isn't spelled out, they know that our destiny is somehow inextricably connected to figuring out what's really out there and making it work for us here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the fact that we've had our space program stolen by a handful of people over the last 30 years, and they've been making decisions without any buyer leave, and now, of course, we've come to the most extraordinary, most amazing possibility, and suddenly they slam the doors as if nothing, you know, for those people out there who have been shaking their heads and saying, oh, come on, a face on Mars, oh, come on, or whatever.
		This, as affirmed by mainstream science, as projected by you 17 years ago, now we know what's probable on Europa.
		Jim Forbes said it as well.
		Mainstream science says, oh yes, this is probably where life is going to be found, and they're absolutely ruling out going there.
		The head shakers have got to slow down and go, huh?
unidentified		We're talking a mission.
		See, these two discovery missions that they canceled, and they didn't technically cancel them.
		They just didn't accept them.
		NASA Discovery Program, so-called, is an effort at golden faster, better, cheaper, quicker, that kind of thing.
		And what they are asking for around the country is the best and the brightest to propose to NASA under a cap of $100 million, which, between you and me and a few million of our closest friends, is nothing in terms of the federal budget.
		I mean, you can basically buy 10 coffee pots for $100 million in Washington these days, okay?
		So $100 million cap for a mission is nothing.
		A B-2 bomber costs five times as much.
		So for one-fifth the price of a B-2, we could in two years send a small, highly sophisticated, loaded-for-bear, unmanned probe to go into orbit around Europa.
		Now this is why that's important.
		Because in order to really find out where the ice cracks and what's underneath and where to land the next phase mission, you've got to do an orbital survey.
		Galileo is orbiting Jupiter, and as you know, every couple of months it has been swung within a few thousand or a few hundred miles to take a few pictures as it zips by at several tens of miles per second.
		You don't get a lot of pictures taking time when you're dashing by a place at that speed.
		So to do the next part, these scientists, I don't even know who would put these two proposals in, that's how recent this is, were proposing the next stage which was to send a $100 million orbiter mission to basically orbit Europa, go into polar orbit, and spend months and months and months literally going around and around and around and photographing every square mile.
		There are 15 million square miles of ice on Europa.
		And it's not all the same.
		Even from the Galileo imagery, we now know that there are radically different regions where the ice and whatever else is going on appears geometrically very different.
		So to characterize what's really down there, where the water is, where the energy sources are, what's going on at 19.5, et cetera, et cetera, you need an orbital mission.
		That's what these two missions, different teams, different proposals, different instruments, was designed to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got a facts here.
		I've got a facts here from Paul.
		He says, simply are not going to Europa.
		Who gives a damn?
		Save the money.
		How do you answer that?
unidentified		Oh, man, he's dead from the neck up.
unidentified		End of discussion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Move on.
		The other ones are just astounded as I am this morning, and I won't bother to read those because they agree.
		It's astounding.
		I mean, it's to anybody out there who's been a doubter.
unidentified		Well, it's a slap in the face of the entire Resin Deathra for the entire space program.
		Nothing more, nothing less.
		I mean, for how many years have we heard, how many missions have we had the tagline, and they're searching for life.
		Mars Observer, Viking, missions to the moon, missions back to Mars, Global Surveyor, the same prattling people come out and say the same thing, oh, we're looking for conditions for life.
		Now you've got a live one.
		You've got a place where it isn't dead, Jim.
		It could be very much alive.
		And suddenly, it didn't make the cut.
		Yeah, it didn't make the cut.
		Give me a break, boys and girls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The two most interesting places I could think of that I know of to go would be to Mars to look at Sidonia and to go to Europa, obviously, because of all the recent news.
		And they're now not going to Europa, and they may not, they say, be able to image Sidonia.
unidentified		Yes, you want to bet, as my grandmother used to say, when I see that fin pig stand on end, then I'll get excited.
		I've been saying for a long time, Art, that the six is in.
		I really, when I saw this news this afternoon, it first came in in an email from one of our vast family out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you didn't believe it.
unidentified		Well, of course I didn't.
		I mean, I couldn't believe that they would be so stupid.
		Because you see, if they'd played this a little smart, if they'd taken the American people for a few hundred million dollars more, built the spacecraft, given fat contracts to their friends, sent the thing out there, and then lost it, the reaction would have been the same as it was with Mars Observer.
		Oh, well, they tried.
		But by doing it this way, somebody is actually doing us all a favor tonight because it's now crystal clear that there is a vast gap between what they say they want to find and what they've really found and how they're treating us as children as opposed to adults vis-a-vis the entire situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you said going to NASA is of no use.
		So if we want to enlist the help of the American people to raise holy hell about this robot.
		Yeah, how do we do it?
		How do we do it?
		Where is the right pressure point?
unidentified		It's very simple.
		If we can get our friends in the major mainstream media who are beginning to look at me as something less than a pariah, as someone who actually knows a thing or two and didn't lose it all when I stopped working for Walter Cronkite, if we can appeal to Ted Koppel, who has demonstrated he's a man of integrity and curiosity, and John Holloman over at CNN, who is also the same, I think we can get some real interesting answers on what's going on.
		Ted is in Hong Kong tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hong Kong.
unidentified		He is doing a story on the transition, on the handover of Hong Kong back to the Chinese, which occurs, as you know, in July of this year.
		He will be back on Monday.
		I talked to my friend who provided him the materials and who actually was key in getting him to acknowledge our role in all of this 17 years ago.
		And what he said was that if Ted gets a significant response, it will aid enormously in the politics at ABC for him to fulfill his promise to me and put some people on this full time and find out what the hell NASA's really hiding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would think after his last show, the one in which you were given credit, Richard, that his interest over this decision would be naturally peaked.
unidentified		But it will not hurt to have conscientious Americans voicing their interests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Popular opinion counts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they do it?
unidentified		They simply fax ABC News Nightline in Washington, D.C. And I don't have that number handy, but it's easy to get.
		It's 202 area code.
		555-1212.
		That gets you information.
		Ask for ABC News, and when you get a voice there, say you want a fax line for Nightline.
		You want to express an opinion on a major story they just did.
		And those nice folks will give you a fax number, and then you send those cards and letters in, and when Ted gets back, you won't be able to get into his office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that he's going to naturally, he better be naturally interested as a journalist anyway after doing the show he did.
unidentified		The first thing he's going to hit him with when he walks in the door is this, and he felt that, in fact, he would be naturally interested.
		Now, let me tell you what I did in the last week.
		I actually did one of those rare things.
		I autographed a copy of my original paper to Ted Koppel.
		And in doing so, I wrote on it, Ted, thanks for the memories.
		So he knows that this is an important piece of inquiry.
		He had Wes Hunters on, claiming they were all excited and going there, loaded for bear.
		When he comes back, because I'm sure he hasn't even heard about it in Hong Kong, since we can't find any stories anywhere in this country, my folks at ABC did a search tonight on the wires.
		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the story that we've got from the Orlando Sentinel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Orlando Sentinel.
unidentified		The Orlando Sentinel is a paper which is about 40 miles, in Orlando, Florida, 40 miles west of Cape Canaveral.
		They have a small syndicate circuit of science stories written by this one science journalist whose name escapes me.
		It begins with S, I think.
		And this story appeared in the Orlando Sentinel itself.
		It appeared in a paper in New Orleans.
		It appeared in a paper in Tacoma, Washington.
		In other words, a few papers around the country, probably a few hundred, carry this column.
		It's like the syndicated Reuters service or the AP.
		Gotcha.
		But it has not made Reuters.
		It has not made AP or UPI.
		It hasn't made any of the networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it will now.
unidentified		It will now.
		And if enough people care.
		The other person you should contact by fax is John Holloman, who at the moment is in a pair of hip waiters in Grand Forks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and he can probably hear us.
unidentified		But if you probably, if you fax him at CNN headquarters in Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plus, you're on the air right now in Atlanta.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		In Atlanta or anywhere in the country, call the Georgia telephone area code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CNN is listening, Richard.
		So I'm sure they are.
		They always listen.
unidentified		Just send faxes to John Holloman, care of CNN.
		And when he gets back, which will be when the water gets down another few feet, probably Monday or Tuesday, I will have a talk with him.
		I will have a talk with Mr. Koppel.
		If they have gotten an appropriate response from enough Americans, they will know because of their nose for news.
		See, a hard part of this is when you have NASA people sitting on your show and they sit there with absolute sincere voices and faces and claim they really want to know, you tend to believe them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		We tend to believe government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've been so deeply involved in this that it seems to me CNN or any number of other networks might want to come and interview you to get your reaction.
unidentified		Well, we will see.
		I mean, obviously I will let you know.
		Are you available for that?
		I'm, of course, available for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is the best way to contact you?
unidentified		You can tax us at 201-271-1703.
		We now have an enterprise email up on the web, which is enterprise at Carol.com, C-A-R-R-O-L-L.
		Obviously, through the web discussions, you know, the conference area in Enterprise, we can be reached.
		And if all else fails, they can call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my website will take them to many places, including your website as well, at www.artbell.com.
		So you don't think, you really don't think that the reason they don't want to go is because they think or they know that life is there?
		In other words, you really think that this has more to do with an embarrassment quotient?
unidentified		No, I think it has more to do with other things falling out of the closet.
		I think it has to do with Sidonia, with what the moon is.
		In other words, once you give credence that there's life in the solar system, once you have moved from science fiction to science, once you have made it a science, once exobiology is really another discipline, then people will view people like us, this investigation, in a radically different perspective than they have up till now.
		And because of the politics of this, and we're not dealing with science, are we dealing with politics driving the system.
		Only politics, which makes some pretty stupid decisions, you know, just turn on CNN, can be driving a decision to say that Europa is boring.
		It's boring.
		Only a politician could be thinking that way and thinking he can get away with it.
		Not a true scientist.
		This was not a decision by any rational scientist.
		This is a political decision.
		And it may, in fact, even be coming from beyond NASA.
		In fact, it is most likely coming from beyond NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way that we can, for example, get the minutes of the committee meeting that looked at these proposals?
unidentified		As Ted, Coppel, Ted can get them.
		You and I can't.
		Really?
		Okay.
		If he asks, if he calls up Golden and says, damn it, Dan, what the hell is going on?
		You know he's got to get some kind of an answer, and he's not going to be satisfied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I were Coppel, I would want to get somebody from NASA on the hot seat to explain exactly why they're not going to the most interesting place where there is most likely to be life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's got to be a hard question to answer.
unidentified		I can't wait.
		Can you?
		And the facts that the American people listening to you tonight deliver to Ted Koppel for Monday morning will determine in major part how aggressive and how fast he wants to get those answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So facts don't email because they can ignore email too easily.
		Facts CNN, you can get CNN's fax number by calling area code 202-555-1212-12.
unidentified		Oh, that's ABC News in Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's ABC News.
unidentified		And 202 is the Washington area code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		555-1212, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's the information operator there.
unidentified		Yes.
		And you just ask for ABC News Nightline.
		Right.
		And then you talk to a nice person there and you say, what's your fax number?
		We have an opinion to express on a show you recently did concerning NASA.
		And they will give you a direct fax number.
		Now what I will do, because this all came up so recently I was not totally prepared, I will find a fax number myself and put it on the web for people who don't have access to computers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that'll help.
		In addition, Richard, as I said, you should now open yourself to interviews from CNN and from elsewhere about this.
		That will lay on additional pressure and legitimize a competition.
unidentified		Have you ever known me to be silent, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
unidentified		Reticent?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So give out your fact number once more if any media would like to talk to you.
unidentified		201-271-1703.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the chances are, Richard, very quickly, because we're about out of time, that we are going to be able, through media pressure, that we're going to be able to convince NASA to change their minds?
unidentified		I think we're going to be able to convince the political structure to change NASA's mind, because this is a political problem and is amenable to a political solution, and that's what democracy is all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We hope it's still all about that.
		Richard, thank you as always.
		Until next time, and I hope the news will be good.
unidentified		Stay tuned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Richard C. Hoagland, live from Manhattan, New York.
unidentified		Can you believe it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The place where life most likely will be is the one place we have just decided we are not going to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up in a moment, Native American Robert Ghostwolf.
		He will talk to us of hoping prophecy and much, much more.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Good morning, everybody.
		It's great to be with you.
		It's going to be an interesting evening.
		The first hour consumed by Richard Hoagland announcing the sad fact that NASA has incredibly, incredibly decided not to go to Europa.
		They have made a conscious decision not to go to Europa, the place most likely to contain life.
		So if you've been one of those on the fence, and frankly, I've been one of those on the fence regarding the whole NASA cover-up thing, you've got to be shaking your head a little bit this morning.
		All right, I'd like to welcome Native American Robert Ghostwolf to the program.
		And Robert was recently on KTNN, which is one of my newer affiliates, in the capital of the Navajo Nation down in, I believe, East Central Arizona.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Is that right, Robert?
		I believe it's east-central Arizona.
		And also, it's New Mexico.
		It comes window rockets like Arizona.
		The studio was Arizona.
		The other side of the studio was New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's on the line, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you now?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Right now, I'm up in Spokane, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spokane, Washington.
		All right.
		AGA country.
		All right.
		If you would fill the audience in on your background, who is Robert Ghostwolf?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Robert Ghostwolf is a curious individual who has got mixed blood.
		I am not representing any nation or any particular people with what I speak with.
		My background comes from working with many tribes and many elders, including Sioux, Lakota, Apache, Hopi, Ojibwa, and Osage.
		And I've spent 25 years now working with the Native American ways and doing ceremonies from Alaska down to South America.
		And now I'm here on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were with the Navajo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why were you with the Navajo?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I was asked, you mean the most recent?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I was asked to go down there because of many sightings that were seen in the Arizona and New Mexico area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		UFOs and basically strange occurrences that were happening around Gallup, the Four Corners area.
		And the fact that we were asked to go down there to do a ceremony with Ancient Labyrinth to call in the Star Brothers.
		And it was about that time that everyone started to see a lot of the triangular ships, I believe, from Colorado all the way down to San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it that the Navajo generally conclude about the sightings and everything going on in Arizona?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That the people in this area of New Mexico and Arizona, which is known as the Navajo Nation, actually it's the Denae people now, Dinae people, have seen a lot of curious things going on, especially in the past few months, that would draw more attention to what they're looking at than normally.
		I'm sure that a lot of people have heard of the Four Corners area, and there's a lot of myths and stories about strange things that go on in that area.
		But what we've had going on now is there's so many ship sightings going on that basically people are becoming very casual about it.
		They tend to pay no more attention to it than you would a passing truck on a freeway.
		There are rumblings going on in the ground that cause shakings that could be interpreted as earthquakes, but they're not.
		There's been strange glowing lights happening in the mountains around an area called Mexican Hat, where there have been numerous sightings.
		Derek Stone, who was with me on the radio station last week, down there from Window Rock, has seen them himself, where the whole mountain seems to glow and these lights, triangular shaped lights, configurations of lights that pulsate red, white, and blue.
		I don't know if that's patriot, or I don't know if they're patriots, but they seem to go into the mountain and they seem to disappear.
		And now this has been happening on a regular basis.
		No one can really get near the area.
		It's swarming with military vehicles.
		And this is basically why I went down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You have a couple of images up on my website.
		I'll tell everybody right now, and I suppose here will come the rush.
		These are of stones.
		And they're very interesting.
		Can you explain what they are?
		And anybody wants to take a look at what we're about to talk about?
		It's on my website.
		You'll see it's stone A and stone B. And I'm looking at stone A right now.
		Where did these stones come from?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		These stones come from one of the pyramids in Illinois.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And they were found in a burial chamber right alongside the pyramid.
unidentified		Really?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And inside the burial chamber you had a body of a male and a body of a female that were lying next to each other.
		Their hands were crossed, that are touching each other.
		And they were both wearing these amulets.
		They were given to me because the people didn't know what to do with them.
		The story behind it is that the farmer who discovered them and was with his backhoe on his big farm wanted to, he dug down into the pyramid and found these chambers alongside where the burial chambers were in a mound.
		And when he went down into the chambers, he not only found the amulets, but there were several statues, I don't know how many, some four to five feet tall, that basically reflected the images that we see on the amulets.
		The interesting thing about the amulets is that they're over 10,000 years old and they represent what could be called the winged beings or what looks like Horus, the Egyptian god.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, this first stone shows an image of what looks to me like, you know, it's really hard to say, but some kind of bird, I would say, some sort of winged creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that Jacob?
unidentified		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And they're the winged beings.
		Ken Carey wrote about them in a book called The Return of the Bird Tribes.
		And what will, if they go into those pictures, I also have petroglyphs that tell of ancient sightings where these figures are again duplicated.
		They're all over the place.
		I mean, I can take you to central Idaho, I can take you to Illinois, I can take you up to Minnesota, I can take you to parts of New Mexico and down to South America where these winged beings appear.
		There are many carvings and petroglyphs in the stones of these winged beings all throughout the St. Louis area where the mounds are.
		And they're just very interesting.
		The reason why I have them up on the web is because someone like me, who could be considered a nutter a coop, and I talk about a lot of things, but a lot of people don't see where these stories are coming from.
		A lot of people don't see where the Native American stories are coming from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your doing this.
		It really does help.
		And you're right.
		Adding some visual aspect to what you're talking about helps a lot.
		That's why we have the website there.
		It's invaluable.
		And of course then if it's okay with you we will publish those in the newsletter as well.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		The whole I would like the word to get out and there's more behind that.
		I go into it quite in depth in my book on prophecy, Last Cry, which I believe I sent you a copy of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did and it is absolutely beautiful.
		It's an original manuscript of Last Cry and I really thank you for it.
		It's beautiful.
		What is Last Cry?
		Why did you come up?
		What does that title mean?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Last Cry was a word that was given out to me as I was assembling all the information for the book, which basically is over four years by the Hopi, by the Hopi Sinem, which is the high Hopi elders, the spiritual elders.
		And basically in the book I have some prophecies that are given by them in which Grandfather refers to releasing the prophecies and the knowledge to the people of the world now.
		They've tried several times to bring it to the United Nations because, and not just in the last few years, this has been going on for 60 years, where they have tried to go to the UN to present their prophecies about what would happen.
		We tend to look at them as myth.
		We tend to look at them as legend.
		They look at them as a calendar of events to come.
		And they felt that in the presenting of their prophecies, which are very numerous, there's hundreds of them that need to be understood by us because we now live here.
		We're now the new Native Americans.
		And we're talking about landings and interactions with galactic beings that have happened before.
		We're talking about...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, landings, prior landings, that sort of thing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You can take the prophecies of the Inca, the Mayan, the Iroquois, the Hopi, and they all seem to start to weave a tapestry.
		And as you weave the tapestry, it's almost like each one has a certain part of the story.
		And then as you start to weave the tapestry of all these different prophecies together, you come out to see this magnificent picture which not only reflects the prophecies of Edgar Cayce, but they also reflect the prophecies of Nostradamus and many of the present Christian philosophies that talk about these times being the end times.
		And what seems to be emerging now is an incredible homogenizing of these stories are all coming from the same place.
		And one of the things that is interesting about the amulets and the petroglyph stories that go with them, people can view for themselves.
		I want them to draw their own conclusions.
		But we're seeing triangular ships that flew over this earth thousands and thousands of years ago.
		We're seeing the beings coming from those ships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That gives me the heebie-jeebies.
		My one big sighting, as you well know, was of a large, very large, silent, triangular craft.
		That's all I've ever seen, and what I saw stood my hair on end.
		And to hear you talk about that so long ago does that again.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, that's why the pictures are there, because the stories can be refuted, and there are many of us who have different stories.
		I mean, you can hear the same story told by 12 different elders, and you'll get 12 different versions.
		But when people start to actually look at, well, where are these stories coming from?
		And where are they talking about the end times?
		Where are they talking about the quickening?
		Where are they talking about the merging of dimensions, the emergence of the fifth world?
		Where is this all coming from?
		When they start to look at the actual facts and stories in front of them, what happens is I believe that memory itself will start to trigger within them.
		So it's no longer just conjecture by a personality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean some sort of genetic past memory, is that what you're talking about?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it will trigger genetic memory.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It will trigger genetic memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So these sightings, these things that we see now, they're not new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're very old.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We've been through this before.
		We've not only been through this once before, we've been through this several times before.
		And the evidence, just like what Richard Hoban brought up about Mars, you know, the connection between Mars, between Sidonia and Giza, between Giza and Stonehenge, between Stonehenge and Manchu Picchu, between Manchu Picchu and Chichamitsa, the sacred geometry involved shows that we have been much more connected than we have given credibility for for a long time.
		And perhaps if we also took into account that we worship all of these pyramids in Egypt, and there are just really a handful.
		But when we come to North America alone, not including South America, we're talking about literally hundreds of these pyramids that exist up through the Mississippi Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it worth asking?
		I mean, we have the classic story of why we think the pyramids were built in Egypt as burial tombs for pharaohs, etc., etc., etc., King.
		But one might reasonably ask, why were they built here?
		Why were they built in South America?
		Why the similarity from so many ancient cultures of one simple design?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		These pyramids, I think that people should investigate.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's sort of, again, like we spoke about in the beginning of the show, why we don't know about what's really happening in Europa, is because people don't really care enough to ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, I care, and let me tell you something, Robert.
		I've been kind of a skeptic, even with Richard.
		You know, I have Richard on, and I listen to him, and he talks about NASA at the very top, having an absolute agenda, knowing really what's going on, and not letting us know.
		Now, I began to get a little nervous tick over this whole thing about the Mars face.
		But this business of not going to Europa is beyond the pale.
		It's absolutely beyond.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's ludicrous.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely doesn't make any conscious sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it lends credibility to the idea that, in fact, they know damn well what's there and has been there for a long time and been here for a long time and they don't want the information out yet.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's sort of the same thing that's going on with the moon, isn't it?
		They know what's going on in the moon.
		They've got the undeniable photographs of it.
		And some of those photographs were even published in early issues of Life magazine, which you now cannot get any longer.
		And the photographs are now unattainable and unavailable.
		And if you write to them for copies of the negatives or the photographs, they're just simply not there.
		Sort of like when you pull up on your net site, 404 not found.
		But what we have here, what we have going on here in the Western Hemisphere, which for numerous conditions and world circumstances can't be executed on the other hemisphere,
		is that many of these ancient writings, this knowledge, it's literally a library, and why we don't treat our sacred sites here with the validity that they do there is a crime, because much of that knowledge is still intact.
		We actually have the capability of putting some of the missing pieces together to the puzzle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the second stone, there's stone A and stone B on the website.
		The second stone, I'm sitting here looking at it, trying to figure out what I'm seeing.
		And again, it sure looks like, it looks like some kind of, you know, I'm just going to give you my off-the-cuff impression, sure, but it looks like a being, a flying being of some sort, clearly a flying being, those must be wings.
		Or perhaps a crude rendition of what somebody else might call an angel.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It could be an angel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like a Rorschach test.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		If I say what they are, then people will say, well, this is what they are.
		I think it's like what you're saying is obviously what they could look like.
		It also could appear that this figure is wearing a helmet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if I were to ask you, what is it you see, what is it you see?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		What I see is one of the winged beings wearing a helmet.
		And again, this correlates if they go into the pictures of those amulets.
		I believe they can go over to the other 12 pictures I have of the petroglyphs that clearly show beings wearing helmets and beings flying with wings.
		And these are at least 10,000 years old.
		We don't know how old beyond that they are.
		The petroglyphs, which reflect that stone, because it's okay to see something once.
		But when you start to see something 50 times in 50 different areas, you start to go, no, wait a minute.
		This culture is showing this, this culture is showing this, and this culture is showing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way they can actually scientifically date these?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and they can...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold that thought.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		My guest is Robert Ghostwolf.
		There are two of the strangest stones slash amulets, whatever they are.
		And we've got photographs on our website of them, courtesy of Robert Ghostwolf.
		You've got to see these, and I'd be very interested in your interpretation.
		They're 10,000 years old, and we're going to relate again where they came from, a minimum of 10,000 years old.
		What do you suppose these are depicting?
		It's a fairly important question, particularly in view of the first hour we did.
		And we're going to try to garner the ABC News Nightline number for you, the fax number, as well as that of CNN in Atlanta.
		Somebody really, really has to follow up on why NASA has decided not to go to Europa.
		Of all things in the world, they might do not to go to Europa is pretty strange.
		To perhaps not re-photograph Sidonia is very strange.
		Could it actually tie in to what we're seeing when we look at these 10,000-year-old stones?
		Maybe so.
		We'll get back to Robert Ghostwolf in a moment.
		All right, these are amazing photographs.
		You can see them at www.artbell.com.
		My guest again, Robert Ghostwolf.
		Robert, one more time, just because this is so amazing to me, these stones, please tell us again where they came from.
		They didn't come from Egypt.
		They came from a pyramid located where?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		In Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stand in Illinois.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Heartland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Heartland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where exactly is this pyramid?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I am not allowed by request of the person whose property it's on to tell an exact location simply because the man would be swarmed with curiosity people.
		I'm sure.
		And the other thing is that a lot of the sites that I've seen, I'm running wilderness gatherings this year, which if people hit my website, they can find out about them, where I'm going to take people to see some of these petroglyphs and sites so that they can see them while they're still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but again with the stones, there's a pyramid, undisclosed location, I don't blame you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And inside this pyramid was what?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There were many statues that basically duplicated the figure that you're looking at on the stone that has the eagle head or the falcon head.
		Definitely a bird head.
		Sort of looks like what we saw on Stargate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Or again, like I said, it could be Horace, could be Rigel, it depends on the interpretation.
		Over here, they're known as the Agua Hanui, the winged beings.
		You asked me about the dating of stones, and could they be dated?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of stone is it?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I honestly don't know what kind of stone is it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's a hole in the top, as though this is meant to be worn about one's neck.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm calling it an amulet.
		It was a necklace of some sort.
		I am not going to say that this was a high priest, although I would assume it.
		And the energy that comes off them is quite incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was going to be my next question.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The energy that comes off them is quite incredible.
		They seem to have very strong healing powers, and when you're working with them, you get a very clear state of mind, and you also get a lot of pictures in your mind.
		I could call that remote vision and be safe.
		I will call it spiritual awakening.
		What many of the people believe when we work with these stones is that they were put there because they hold memory.
		There are phenomena that I experienced while looking at some Hopi petroglyphs up in the San Francisco Peaks by Flagstaff where to look at them is one form of incredible realization and information.
		The other thing is to, the grandfather said, well, we used to sing these into the stones.
		These are the living words.
		Here, I'll show you.
		Give me your compass.
		And so as we went through the story of the merging from the third world into the fourth world and into the fifth world, and he went through the prophecies, you could move the compass up along the drawing and literally it would spin counterclockwise.
		And then in another location, it would spin clockwise.
		In another location, it would point in the opposite direction, showing that there's definitely an energy coming off these petroglyphs, and there is a similar energy that comes off these stones.
		But we're getting a little bit esoteric there for some people.
		If they think Richard's far out, we can really get strange with this.
		The situation is that when they asked the Hopi once about their tablets, the Hopi tablets, they said, well, how old are these?
		And the Hopi said, well, they're over 10,000 years old.
		They said, well, we want to take a little piece so we can test it.
		And they said, well, why?
		They said, because we want to find out how old it is.
		So they took a little piece, and I believe that they brought it down to Washington University.
		For some reason, a lot of things go to Washington State University.
		And when they tested it, they came back and they said, well, they're at least 10,000 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They could be older.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And the Hopi basically looked at them and said, we know that.
		I think people are welcome to do that kind of research with this.
		But what they have to be prepared for is what if they find out that it is?
		It's sort of like if they find out that in Sidonia this is really an ancient city that absolutely reflects the pyramids of Giza.
		What, I mean, if they're not letting us know the truth about that, maybe that's why a lot of this has been covered up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm beginning to get convinced.
		And, you know, I'm really a skeptic.
		Even though I err all kinds of things, Robert, I'm a skeptic.
		Until I can prove something to myself or lay my hands on it, I present the information, but I remain internally skeptical.
		This latest business on Europa is really getting under my skin.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		These days, Art, I believe it's healthy to be a skeptic.
		I believe that we should ask for the proof of everything.
		And like with Europa, we should turn around and ask the whys.
		And when we're not told about information, these stones that you're looking at are like such a small minuscule fragment of things that I have access to and have seen.
		I have seen stones that come from Peru.
		There's a man down there named Dr. Crebera who's got over 15,000 stones in a library that depict levels of medicine that we haven't even yet achieved knowledge of how to work with.
		We're talking about brain transplants.
		We're talking about microsurgery that are depicted on the stones, which they come from Inca sites.
		Now, if we go back through our understanding of the Inca society, we know that the Inca basically were technology poor.
		They didn't have sophisticated technology.
		However, what we're looking at on these stones shows that there is something beyond the Inca civilization, which is the whole part of the puzzle it starts to unravel, that there is something beyond and before the Inca civilization that shows all this incredible technology.
		So this lends credence to the fact that we are not alone and we're not the first ones here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In addition to the lights recently, the UFOs are well documented, as a matter of fact, very well documented in Arizona with video footage.
		Yeah, the flares, right.
		On a recent program, Richard Hoagland talked about a recent strange space mission, STS-80.
		And I just got a fact.
		It says on a local news this evening, they showed the video shot from the space shuttle that Richard Hoagland referred to.
		There were two very strange clips shown.
		One was of several small lights, three, coming together from different directions, to form a perfect triangle above the Earth.
		The other clip showed a huge round thing moving in the clouds in a straight line.
		The skeptic they interviewed said it's nothing.
		Space junk.
		The strange thing is that you don't see space junk change course to meet up with other space junk.
		I also think it's strange for a piece of space junk bigger than a city to be floating in the clouds.
		Now, we have tracked, scientifically, objects moving through our atmosphere at a good fraction of the speed of light recently.
		A lot of things are going on indicating that something clearly is out there, that we are being observed.
		One can only imagine we're being observed.
		I have no idea.
		I'm beginning to lose track of this and lose a little bit of perspective because it's getting quickening too fast.
		Whatever's going on, we're coming toward something, aren't we?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We're definitely here towards something very big.
		But we're also being treated.
		I'm not coming from being the skeptic as to whether or not there is extraterrestrial life.
		I'm also not coming from still wondering as to whether these beings exist.
		I've had too many personal experiences that have dissolved any doubts in my mind.
		But where I'm coming from is, okay, why are you behaving in the manner that you're behaving?
		There's, again, I get a lot of people that will call me and say, come down and look at this, and I'll look at things and nothing will happen.
		At the same time, I'll go and I'll see certain sightings, quote, where I don't believe that there's sightings.
		I think there's some sort of strange weather anomalies, but I'm not necessarily sure they're a ship.
		But I've seen too many ships.
		I've seen too many of these lights flying over Tucson and Dila Bend and Phoenix and up in Payson, where they can be nothing else but some sort of a vehicle making maneuvers.
		Either that or they're a very, very clever holographic projection, which is another possibility.
		I mean, this could be something, some of these could be something that's being projected from satellites in the form of a holographic projection.
		I mean, I saw something a couple of weeks ago, I think it was on a Discover channel where they had worked with a crystal.
		And I always get interested in that kind of a thing because it sort of validates what I do.
		And they were working with the crystal, which they programmed with images.
		And when they hit it with two laser beams crossing, what happened was that the crystal actually projected the visual picture of what they had programmed into the crystal.
		So holographic projection is something that we're working with.
		It's not a new technology.
		And it's something that the government, I believe, uses a lot.
		I'm going to say I believe, so that my doors remain safe tonight.
		But what we're dealing with from the Native American aspect and the Native American prophecies when we look at so many hundreds of them, we are being told in this time that we are, in fact, being observed.
		We can go back to the Hopi prophecy about when the twins come, which is hellbug.
		Whether or not it's what it is, That's for each person to interpret.
		But the prophecies, they're right on schedule.
		And we're told that we would be observed.
		We're told that they would send their people down to observe us to see what we had learned, how far we had advanced, how far we had evolved.
		We're told that we would get many, many warnings.
		We would have many, many messages written in the earth, in the living earth.
		And definitely what we can see correlated over the last 18 months going on with the crop circles, where they have come from very primitive and simple geometric forms to extremely intricate designs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the Barbary Castle crop circle?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's quite incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's also on my website, folks.
		It's the first one of the year, and it's in a very green crop, and it's quite incredible.
		When you look at these, and when other, when Native American elders of various tribes look at these, what do they see?
		What are their comments?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Some of the comments that I have shared are that they can actually interpret the message.
		Some of the comments are languages that they don't understand.
		What we're seeing in my belief is a cross-level of communication.
		There are many ancient languages.
		When it is said that we must remember our original teachings, we must remember the old teachings.
		We're not necessarily talking about what we perceive through a myoptic, narrow tunnel vision of what the Native American is to our, you know, it's a lot more than dances with wolves.
		Again, the pyramids were built here.
		The mathematics that the Mayans worked with, we still haven't figured out.
		The physics that they understood, we still can't calculate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the physics would appear to be similar.
		In other words, what was built in Egypt, what is on this continent, what we know to be in South America, I cannot fathom how the pyramid shape would be common to all these places with no interconnection whatsoever all those thousands of years ago.
		That doesn't make sense.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a little more than a coincidence.
		A lot more than a coincidence.
		And not only are they there, but we can find them in Tibet.
		I mean, so this is a global situation.
		And many of the Mayan calendar calculations reflect on the unity of all of this as well as our interrelationship between the galactic people.
		What's happening now is that we are being primed for a major leap in growth.
		We are being primed to expand our consciousness beyond fear and barbarism.
		I mean, we're basically a pretty rude people.
		I'm sure that if a ship landed in the middle of Texas, we'd probably have about 14 rednecks with shotguns go out and try to greet the poor guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and what a greeting that would be.
		I know.
		I'm certain of it myself.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And look at what happens when we try to send people to the U.N. to wake them up.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		or like last week when we went to Washington, D.C. to try to get some recognition for what was going on, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And everybody...
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, it's referring to Dr. Stephen Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've been complaining about that all week.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		This is an intelligent attempt by people to say, let's look at what's going on, you know.
		And I'm going to quote my friend Whidley Streeber here, where he said, you know, folks, eventually they're going to recognize the truth because we're just not going to go away.
		We're going to keep coming out with the truth.
		We're going to keep coming out with what we know.
		And that's part of the reasons why I decided to disclose the stones.
		And there's other things behind that.
		It's time now for us to look at the facts.
		And the facts are indisputable.
		They're all here.
		They're still here.
		We still have them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one thing that has always puzzled me, and I'm sitting here looking at the Barbary crop circle right now.
		It's absolutely incredible.
		And, you know, you have the feeling when you look at it, there is a message here, but I don't know what it is when I look at that.
		I don't know what the message is.
		And the question is, if somebody wants us to know something, why are they making it so damn difficult to decipher?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's not as difficult as it looks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, help me out.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		If you understand certain ancient symbols, if we can look at some of the petroglyphs or we can look at some of these carvings or these crop circles, I'm going to bring out a few points that people could start to look at and play with.
		Because the way we learn now is we play with toys.
		We've been given certain machines to work with technology that eventually we'll be working with with our minds, which was a real interesting thing on your show the other night with the new technology, which could be considered very shamanistic.
		But what we're dealing with is some of the ancient writings refer to druid symbols.
		Some of them refer to the ancient astrological symbols, which is an ancient language.
		We're dealing with certain symbols which if we look at our architectural drawings, symbols for electronics, which for positive and negative poles describing energy and frequencies, we will see all of this in the crop circles.
		And sometimes we see combinations of them.
		What the crop circles seem to be talking to us about is the DNA structure.
		There's a lot, a lot of information about the DNA structure, possibly because we're going through a lot of changes in our DNA structure.
		We're going through a lot of emotional changes.
		We're seeing the birth of a lot of new diseases in the planet.
		I know.
		I mean, it's just, it's overwhelming the epidemic proportions that it's really actually occurring on.
		And we're also dealing with a situation where allopathic medicine is becoming more or less neutralized and trying to figure out how to deal with these situations that are coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When we come back, we've got a break coming soon.
		I would really like a carefully explained view of how the Native American views Mother Earth.
		Okay.
		And I have my own feelings about that that have been kind of forming of recent years, and so I would like to ask you.
		My guest is Robert Ghost Wolf, and I think you're going to find this very compelling indeed, particularly in view of the earlier news.
		We're here now, and we're doing something now as an industrialized civilization.
		And I wonder if we're only at some sort of mid-level compared to what's been here before.
		You see, that's what's being suggested, that people know about that.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		My guest is Robert Ghost Wolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll get back to him in a moment.
		Fascinating discussion.
		You've got to get up to my website and take a look.
		There are a couple of stones up there that Robert was so kind as to post on our site.
		10,000 years old.
		You tell me what you're seeing.
		They came from a pyramid in the state of Illinois.
		And I've got a corroborating facts here from a pilot who actually gives the location of the pyramid, which I will not pass out.
		But in fact, it is true.
		Pyramids here, South America, Giza, in many parts of the world.
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Where was the connection all those thousands of years ago?
		The answer is there was none.
		At least we had none.
		So then where the connection?
		Add that with the earlier announcement, the amazing, astounding announcement that NASA will not go to Europa.
		The one place most likely to harbor life, and they have made an absolute decision not to go to Europa.
		They don't very much want to look at the face on Mars and or any other artifacts.
unidentified		Does this begin to suggest a pattern to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That perhaps somebody was here before, long ago?
		That they know it and they don't want us to know it?
		Well, I know.
		It sounds paranoid.
		But I must say, I'm beginning to believe.
		I'm beginning to believe.
		Well, all right.
		I've begun to form a theory, which is one little cornerstone of The Cricketing, my book that has sold out.
		So sad it's sold out.
		I'll let you know when it's available again.
		You can't get it right now.
		But it's a cornerstone of that book, one little cornerstone.
		It has to do with this earth of ours.
		And all my life I have been an economic conservative, and kind of a mixture politically when I do talk about politics, a mixture of a social liberal and a conservative, and I'm just kind of all mixed up, a lot of libertarian.
		But one thing that I've come to realize clearly is that we are pushing this planet we live on to the limit.
		Whether you want to talk about ozone, you believe or don't believe in global warming, you want to talk about the pall of air hanging above our cities, the condition of our water, the increased amount of disease, I could tick off a gigantic long list, but what it comes down to is I think we are pushing the Earth to its limits, pushing, pushing, pushing.
		And what we are beginning to see with regard to the weather, and there have been micro-bursts of wind lately, very lately, that we have never, ever seen before, I think Mother Earth is just beginning to push back.
		Robert, you're back on the air again.
		And that's my layman's conclusion of what's going on here.
		The number of earthquakes, verifiably, has gone up.
		The weather has gone berserk and is getting worse quickly.
		I even heard Vice President Gore the other day suggesting that he has concluded that we are going to see many, many more extremes in the weather.
		In other words, I kind of feel like Mother Earth is pushing back.
		That's just a talk show host observing.
		What does the Native American believe?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We're involved in a war of valued life right now.
		That would be a good term for it.
		Essentially, we have lost the perception of the living being that she is.
		And in losing that perception, we have also lost the perception of her own relationship with other living-like beings like her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me stop you right there.
		That's what I want to know.
		You keep saying her, she, Mother Earth.
		I said it too.
		Why do we refer to her this way as a she?
		I mean, it's a rock.
		It's a planet.
		Why is it a she?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There are Here's where it's at.
		We can go back to our origins and trace our original teachings, where we are told that we were literally brought here from another place.
		And that before there was Earth, she was another being.
		That being is a being who I refer to in my understandings as a planet named Melina.
		And Melina basically came from the Pleiopes.
		And that planet was destroyed.
		A small portion of that planet was brought, which is another story, to this quadrant of the universe where life began and she began to refurbish herself and rejuvenate herself.
		At which point the beings that were on Melina no longer had a place to be.
		And they were basically adopted by Mother Earth, where she said that, I will take them, I will take them, and take them as my own.
		Now, in the Indian legends, this goes back to the place that we were taken from after the destruction of Melina, and the place where we basically were not welcomed because the planet there was a male planet, and the place that we came from was the planet Mars.
		So here again we have a correlation to Richard Hogan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cydonia.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And so what we're looking at now, we do have the head of a Sphinx on Cydonian.
		We have a Sphinx in Egypt.
		We also have three Sphinx, which I believe I talked about on one of the earlier appearances on your show.
		We have three of them that I know of that are quite large.
		There's one in Florida called Panther Mound, which you can find on the USGS maps, even called Panther Mound, which is so large that you could take the Sphinx in Egypt and sit it on its paw.
		There is another Sphinx along the Missouri River in a place called Poverty Point.
		It's hard to see unless you're flying because it's the side profile of the head of the Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		I'm getting these taxes from pilots who are referring to the exact area you're talking about right now.
		And I have seen these things from the air, but they say the same thing.
		You don't see them until you're in the air.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Right, because you get a different perspective.
		It's like flying over the giant mounds.
		If you're walking over it, it looks like a hill.
		But when you're up in a plane, suddenly you look down and you go, well, how come I've got this serpent that's a mile and a half long?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then, you see, these then are things intended to be seen not by those who walk around on the ground, but who are above the ground, one way or the other.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They're signals to people above the ground.
		It's no different than the ancient maps that basically were found by some scientists that came from Persia that showed a clear description of the landmasses in North and South America that they found out were over 700 years old.
		I'm going to be safe there in an estimate.
		Where why would they be done that way and how could they be done with such accuracy unless they were designed from the air?
		What we are dealing with is, again, indisputable evidence that is becoming more and more numerous as the globe becomes smaller that we're not alone and we haven't been alone.
		And I would venture to say that in the next few years that's going to be common knowledge.
		It's not going to be strange woo-woo knowledge any longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lay out, if you will, how much agreement is there between, for example, Hopi prophecy, what the Navajo believe, what the Apache believe, what the various nations believe with regard to ancient prophecy.
		How much similarity is there?
		How much difference is there?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		From my observation and from my explanation, I have to give my viewpoint.
		I don't speak for any nation or any people.
		It would be impossible to do that.
		It's not anywhere near the Native American way.
		From my observation, what I have seen is that as we go and we hear about the Hopi talking about the time when we would walk in two worlds, when we talk about the changes in frequencies which are shown on the Petroglyph that they have around their area of Hopi land,
		when we come down and we hear what the Navajo have to say about their kachinas, which is the same term that the Hopi use, when we hear the prophecies of the Iroquois talk about the stars that would come from the heavens and the beings that would come from those stars, when we correlate that to the great bow in the sky, we can correlate that to the twelve rays, we can correlate that to the knowledge that comes from the Mayan and the Inca.
		It's right now in the last five years so much information and so much artifacts, so many artifacts, have come in that there's no longer a discrepancy as to the commonality.
		The differences are in the terms perhaps that they use.
		They might have one being that has maybe 25 different names that we can find if we can find the people who can remember their own language.
		There's many instances where the people have even forgotten their own language.
		And so they have trouble interpreting their own language.
		And this is something that's a dire necessity now is to support native culture bringing back the understanding of their own ways and their own language so that they themselves can correlate between them the commonalities.
		There's more commonality than there are differences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would that commonality suggest in terms of prophecy that lies ahead?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We have reached a point where, to use a Hopi term, we have reached the point of Kayanosquati.
		We have reached the point of the world that is out of balance.
		We are out of balance with it.
		We no longer understand the ways of the earth.
		In our reference to her as Iraq, as a thing, as an object, we've forgotten her language.
		We've forgotten how to speak with her.
		When a shaman does something, They don't necessarily command the elements.
		It's more or less an agreement.
		It's an agreement between the elements and the elements and the energy of the shaman.
		It's a state of consciousness.
		We have reached a point with the earth where we have now so put her out of balance, where we have urbanized everything without any regard for the importance of the sound of the songs of birds in coordination with the sound of the wind going through the trees.
		There's a lot to be said about sound.
		A lot that happens with energy.
		A lot that happens with thought moving from one place to another, from one level of consciousness to another, has to do with sound.
		Science is now telling us that, okay, everything has a frequency.
		We can go into your body and tell what parasite is there or what organ it is based on the frequency.
		The frequency then through computers can be translated into sound.
		So now that we're translating these concepts of mind into technology, we are understanding now wait a minute, what they were talking about was, okay, that's how they called the rain in because they became the same frequency as the cloud.
		They sang the same tones.
		And in the singing of the same tones, they literally called in the rain.
		And we are taking this out of the harmony of the earth.
		And it's not like, you know, we're these terrible beings.
		I think a lot of it has to do with their just simple unknowing.
		But it's come to the point that we now have to pay attention to it.
		She is so out of balance that the whales are turning against each other.
		What have you heard about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean the whales are turning against?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was just the last night I heard that it was on the news.
		I don't watch television, so I have to listen to my friends.
		But it was on the news that they had actual footage of a whale being attacked by...
		Now this is unheard of behavior, but it's correlated directly to the Hopi prophecy, where they say that it will reach the time where the animals, because we have lost 50% of the animal species in the last 40 years, 30 years that we had 30, 40 years ago.
		They're not here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few other little worrisome things going on like fish dying by the millions.
		There have been these weird, weird fish kills.
		In some areas, crabs just crawling out and dying by the thousands.
		I mean, people are picking them up off the beaches.
		Clearly, something is going wrong in the ocean, clearly.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were warned about that by Jacques Rousteau back in 1989 when he told us about the conditions of the oceans.
		And again, they took his show off the air, I believe, after he came out with that statement, where we're told that the Atlantic Ocean is basically 80 to 85 percent dead.
		The Mediterranean Sea is 90 percent dead.
		And now we're told that the same condition is happening in the Pacific Ocean.
		We've got so much pollution going on around the Arctic ice caps up at the North Pole, which is where all the water seems to flow, that now that cancer, that red tide, which is the preliminary sign that the ocean is now has cancer, is moving down along the coastlines.
		And the degree of destruction is, again, it's just unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have an ice shelf about to dislodge, break off, and float away to Antarctica.
		In Antarctica?
		Yeah.
		We have children in Australia mandated to wear hats because of the amount of UV radiation because of the ozone depletion.
		There's a lot of things going on here, and you'd have to be a complete idiot not to see them.
		And I'm at least that, not a complete idiot.
		I see them.
		And the question is, where is it leading?
		How quickly?
		And is it correctable?
		And I'm not sure that I have any of those answers.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure that this can be understood, not from a negative point of view.
		Basically what you've happened is the Earth is chemically and biologically out of balance.
		She's also out of balance energy-wise because of many things.
		Again, the songs of birds, all of these things that we've taken for granted hold a certain harmony and frequency.
		If we take people who live in the mountains or the country and we suddenly move them to the city, the sound pollution can drive them mad.
		At the same time, if you take someone who lives in the city and you move them to the country, it's like they suddenly go, I didn't know the country could be so loud because they're not used to all the noises.
		They hold everything.
		When we listen to Native American music, when we listen to the sound of rattles, when we listen to the sound of drums, when we listen to the sound of the chants, everything flows together in a symphony and nature is the same way.
		When you start to take pieces out, what happens is you now have something that's functioning in a mutated state.
		And basically that's what's happening in the earth.
		Now the earth being biological is taking care of herself.
		The prophecies speak a lot about new forms of life appearing, old forms of life appearing, and forms of life that are very strange that have never been here before appearing.
		And I think everyone's looking for woolly mammoths to come walking down into Chicago.
		What they're not looking at is that there's a whole new form of plankton forming in the ocean.
		We have many new forms of insects.
		We have many, many new forms of vegetation, fungus that are growing that cannot be identified.
		And we're talking about on a microscopic level, we have new forms of bacteria and viruses that have never ever been here before in our understanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And they seem to be taking on their own intelligence, which is another thing that's really curious, is most viruses are, in fact, mechanical in nature.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They're not organic in nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably like most things, Robert, they have a purpose.
		And increasingly that purpose seems to be less friendly to us, harder to get hold of.
		We're beginning to get more disease which we cannot control with traditional methods, simply can't control.
		And Penicillins don't work anymore, that sort of thing.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert Ghostwolf is my guest.
		He'll be back in a moment.
		And I have, I think, a very good question.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, back to Robert Ghostwolf.
		And Robert, I want to tell you a little story and see if I'm making the right connection or not.
		With regard to our Earth and harmony, the Chinese, and I'm going to stumble here, I'm not sure that I'm going to remember this properly.
		The Chinese have a very unusual custom.
		I think it's called qi, in which a Chinese person, the equivalent, I suppose, of our medicine man, will go to a new building.
		It occurs in Hong Kong.
		It occurs in communist China.
		Throughout the Chinese culture it occurs.
		And when they build a building, they will usually bring this person to find out if it is a proper place to build the building.
		Or in some cases, believe it or not, buildings that have already been built are examined and either changed or in worse cases, torn down on the advice of these people who examine the building.
		They say, look, it's not in harmony.
		Something's terribly wrong here.
		It will not go well.
		This building should not be here.
		And they've actually torn them down.
		Now, that's story part A. Story Part B is my affiliate, KTNN, in Window Rock.
		We were due, it's very unusual that they would be running a show like mine.
		It's a big step for them.
		And when we were in negotiation to begin running the show there, they said we are building a brand new building from which we're going to broadcast.
		However, we've got to delay putting your program on and making, for that matter, any other changes until our medicine man comes and I guess blesses or examines, in some way examines the building, I think much in the same way the Chinese examine theirs.
		Is there a similarity, a kind of examination of harmony with Earth?
		Is that what it is?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's the same.
		We're becoming more attuned to our feelings.
		We're becoming more attuned to our emotional understanding.
		This is all part of, again, due to life transmuting itself.
		All of these new forms of life and new situations happening within our bodies that reflect what's happening in the oceans and the air.
		We're experiencing new strands of DNA that are being activated.
		We're experiencing within our bodies amino acids that are being activated that weren't even in existence before.
		This has to do with the frequencies.
		And the reason why I'm getting into the frequencies is because everything, everything, everything is vibration.
		When you just build something out of blind desire without seeing the way the energy moves, you can create a lot of disharmony just within that building.
		When we built churches, when we built monasteries, they were usually built on ancient sites.
		And it was based on an ancient understanding of lane lines and energy grids that were in the earth.
		And what's become very aware to the spiritual people of the earth at this time is that those energy grids are actually changing.
		And in many instances, they have actually completely changed, altered, and what was once a vortex spot may now have moved 20 miles east.
		And when you just build things in blind ignorance, you can upset energy flows that can basically affect an entire area around you.
		And it can also affect us as human beings moving in and out of that space because we're interspatial with our energy and that energy.
		And to turn around and work with like putting your show on that air, you have a show that brings the whole world together on any topic where basically anybody can get up and speak about their body of knowledge and what they have.
		It's such a vast spectrum of information and knowledge that this is a tremendous step to have happen at KTNN.
		It is.
		And so what you're saying is, okay, what will the impact be upon the people?
		Native people in North America are very concerned about what happens seven generations from now.
		We know that we're not disconnected from our past.
		And we know that when we go through the wheel of life, we come back.
		And in seven generations, you harvest what you created seven generations ago.
		You're going to experience what you dreamed.
		And meaning that you're going to experience the result of your actions.
		So they're being very careful about this.
		They're seeing the, again, Mayan prophecies, the collapse of religious structures, social structures, science structures, financial structures, and this quickening that we're going through.
		And how do we correct it?
		Well, one of the ways that we correct it is by trying to put the energy back in balance.
		And this is what I believe that you're talking about, that they're seeing.
		What is the effect on my great-great-great-grandchild?
		What will this bring?
		How can we correct something that's really been wrong now for 200 years or 100 years or 50 years and bring back a natural energy so that we as human beings can calm down, come to a space of centering, and walk in balance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It doesn't mean, as a lot of the detractors would say, that the world has to stop and that all forward progress has to stop.
		It just means, doesn't it, that we have to stop long enough to feel what's going on and discern the right direction to begin going in.
		Now, if you were to ask me whether I think we're going to do that or not, my answer would be no, I don't.
		As a matter of fact, I think we're past the point of no return.
		So call me Mr. Negative.
		As I look at social behavior and every area of human behavior, it seems too far gone to me.
		Could that be the case?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Again, I refer to it as the war with valued life a few moments ago when we spoke about the Earth and what's happening.
		In a lot of instances, we are on a runaway train, and we now have to figure out a way to stop that train to reverse the energy and momentum in which it's moving.
		If it keeps moving the way it has been moving, we're in for a lot of trouble.
		If we take the conscious choice to change it, and the only way this is going to come up is if the people themselves, if it we can no longer rely on the government to take care of us.
		We can no longer rely on somebody else taking care of us.
		We have to take life back into our own hands.
		And I think that's very American, I believe.
		Sure it is.
		And it's like we have to take the responsibility for our walk into our own hands.
		We don't have to see the oceans die.
		It doesn't have to end this way.
		We don't have to see the waters become so polluted that everyone comes up with all these incurable diseases because they're drinking sick water.
		It doesn't have to be that way.
		We can change it.
		We don't have to keep using fossil fuels to the extent that we're using them.
		We can make a transition.
		And basically, I think a lot of the things that are happening now is Earth, Mother Earth, is showing us, listen, you can't go this way anymore because if you go this way, it's not going to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Part of the problem, here's part of the problem.
		For modern man, we have cities.
		We have people who work and live in the cities.
		They work on the 45th floor of an air-conditioned, environmentally controlled office building.
		They get in their air-conditioned car, environmentally controlled, and go to their cute little environmental home with a white picket fence.
		In other words, they rarely expose themselves to anything but dirty city air.
		How are these people ever going to change their mindset in the way we're talking about to move us in the right direction?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that they have to take a walk in the woods, to be quite simple.
		And it's when you're living inside a synthetic bubble, you tend to think that that's the only perception of everything.
		What's going to happen very soon is that that's going to be disrupted.
		It's like this.
		We have a choice right now to change it.
		We have a choice to make a conscious decision to change it.
		If we don't, then we can expect intervention.
		We can expect a higher intelligence, if you want to use that term, or a wiser intelligence, to turn around and say, if you don't do it, then we're going to come in and take control.
		And we're going to change it.
		They're already doing that.
		I mean, these green flares and blue flares that we see exploding in the atmosphere, I don't want to use the word flares, lights that are very big that happen all over the southwest.
		For some reason, a lot more seems to happen in the southwest than over other areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea why?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		What you've got is that you've got a place down in the southwest where one, the crust of the earth between the inner earth and the outer earth is a lot thinner than in other places.
		And the interaction between inner earth beings coming up, and a lot of the ships that people see don't necessarily come from the stars.
		They come from the inner earth.
		And the relationships have been going on for centuries there.
		If we look at the archaeological background of North America, we'll notice that that's where all the ancient cities were.
		They were all along that Mississippi Valley and they were all throughout the southwest.
		And so there's a relationship if we can take the step beyond time and realize that once we leave this atmosphere, there is no time.
		So these people, these beings who the natives call, who I call our ancestors, our relatives, are coming back home.
		And wouldn't it be a surprise if some of them looked a lot like us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it really wouldn't.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And we're dealing with an area in the southwest also where for the longest time it was unpopulated.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I mean it's really only been since the turn of the century the population has moved out there and it's really only happened after the 30s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So a lot could go on that wasn't seen.
		They weren't interfered with.
		And the interrelationship between the beings here and the beings that were visiting were not disclosed to tabloid intelligence.
		And I think that that's a lot to do with the reason.
		A lot to do with the reason.
		Plus, there's a lot of underground bases here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm meant to ask you about that.
		In the Four Corners area, I've been getting reports now for the last two years of hum, of noise, people clearly saying, and we've even got it here where I am, Robert.
		I have told this story a million times.
		I've got a friend who built a porch, sunk a bunch of 2x4s or bigger or 2x6s, whatever, into the ground.
		And the hum, the noise, was so bad that he had to tear the whole thing down.
		And this is going on in a large portion of the Southwest.
		Something is translating a hum that is moving through the Earth over a wide expanse of the Southwest.
		What's going on?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like you're talking about frequencies, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm indeed talking about frequencies and very low ones.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of low ones.
		Some of them are harp, which we can get into when we talk about weather.
		That's a conversation in itself.
		It is.
		But the other thing is that some of these vibrations are actually vibrations emanating from the Earth.
		Some of these vibrations are frequencies that are hitting the Earth from outside the Earth and reflecting back.
		And we're picking up the echo as they reflect back.
		Some of these vibrations are literally the sound of the Earth transmuting into another reality, another level of dimensional consciousness, just as we're changing into another dimensional consciousness.
		We basically, like the Earth, are transmuting into another species.
		We're becoming a more aware species and we are fracturing the limitation that we have been bound with for a couple of thousand years now.
		And these emanations that are coming up, there is not only the frequencies and tones or the hums which can be heard from space, which have to do partially with the fact that we have created another dimensional reality.
		We have in our consciousness literally created another reality.
		And this is a galactic event.
		It's not just Earth.
		It's a galactic event.
		So you've got the whole universe pulling and spreading.
		And these frequencies, everything is sound.
		Everything moves through sound.
		The Earth has picked up in metabolic rate.
		I remember 25 years ago, simple example, when I would go to ceremony or powwow and I would hear the heartbeat on the drum.
		The heartbeat was a lot slower than what I hear them doing the heartbeat to now.
		And the prophecies have it that the earth has actually picked up its frequency rate, so it's moving faster.
		We're literally moving faster.
		And this is causing the earth to groan, moan, and change.
		And we're picking up these frequencies both in our bodies and in our ears.
		So we're hearing them.
		We're literally hearing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's well understood and known that these frequencies affect human behavior.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Witness the heart business, which as you said is a whole nother show.
		But they're fooling with frequencies and they have proven that frequencies, particularly low ones, cause humans to become irritated or even irrational or confused.
		They affect us in many ways, these low frequencies, and they affect us as they affect the Earth.
		Or I don't know what I'm talking about.
		The Earth is affecting us or we're affecting the Earth.
		I don't know.
		But you're right about the frequencies.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can relate back to the crop circles and where I spoke about their relating to frequencies.
		They're relating to DNA.
		They're relating to the structure of the Earth.
		Now, why would they be relating to DNA?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, may I say one thing?
		Yes.
		There was a story the day before yesterday that scared the heck out of me, again from the Antarctic, indicating that scientists have just discovered that simple-celled animals have had their DNA structure modified by the increased UV radiation.
		It is the first time, you know, you've heard of soars on the fish and all the rest of it.
		We've heard of all of that.
		But this is the first time that we have chronicled a modification of DNA from changing environmental conditions.
		Scary, scary stuff.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, we're mutating.
		And again, we are responsible for a lot of those frequencies.
		There's a lot more connection between the way we think and the way we feel and the way the earth reacts to us.
		We feel earthquakes.
		And we're dealing with a population now where the youth of the world, for the most part, at least from what I've seen from America, is Malays is one word, but what I see is a feeling of hopelessness.
		It's like many of them sort of feel like, well, we're already dead, so what matters?
		It's like, you know, the world's going to end.
		We can't possibly afford to live in your society.
		There's no room in your society for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think the world is going to end, but I think that our place here on it is far more tenuous.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The world is definitely not going to end.
		Yes, we're in jeopardy.
		And we're in jeopardy because of our own lack of wanting to understand.
		Let's go back to what Richard said in the beginning of your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have to start caring.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We have to start taking an active role.
		We have to start saying why.
		It's a very simple but powerful word.
		And when everybody starts saying why, someone's going to have to come up with an answer.
		But if you leave everyone else to tell you, well, we asked why and this is the answer.
		I mean, you know, if they wanted to send a ship up to Europa, we wouldn't know about it.
		We wouldn't know about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm beginning to come to believe that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And if it was a success, they might tell us about it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Unless they found something that would, you know, upset their structure of what they want us to believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, we are once again at the top of the hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when we come back, if you're willing, I would like to open some phone lines and let people ask you.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to do that.
		And I'd like to mention, though, one thing.
		Somehow we didn't link up to your site from the amulets.
		And there is a full explanation of those amulets on our site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold that, and we'll give it when we come back from the break.
		All right?
		Oh, okay.
		All right.
		My guest is Robert Ghostwolf.
		He'll be back shortly.
		We are going to open the lines.
		I'm Art Bell and this is CBC.
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		I wonder, in my audience, how this is resonating.
		Do you regard this in the big cities as some sort of touchy-feely new age baloney?
		Or do you feel in your heart that what you're hearing is right on the money?
		Or are there little bits and pieces that are beginning to take?
		In other words, how's all this resonating with you?
		My guest is Robert Ghostwolf.
		And I have authored a book called The Quickening.
		You can't get it right now.
		There's no way.
		It's sold out.
		And I think that all of this is resonating with a hell of a lot of people out there.
		And I think that's the reason an entire print run went away in two weeks.
		Because a lot of people know it's true.
		In their hearts, they know it.
		Anyway, back to Robert Ghostwolf, and we are opening the line.
		So if you have questions for him, come now.
		Back to Robert Ghostwolf, and we're about to take calls, but you wanted to get in, I think, some information, Robert.
		And I want to give you a chance to plug your book anyway.
		Is this book yet available to the general public?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's available now in a manuscript form, and it will be available in a few weeks.
		I don't know exactly when, because that part of it's out of my hands in a paperback.
		But right now, we are moving out and shipping a lot of the manuscripts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're beautiful.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And thank you.
		And they can reach us through your site, or they can reach us at my website, which is www.wolflodge.org, O-R-G, www.wolflodge.org.
		And there's two phone numbers they can call in on.
		509-623-2496.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		509.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		509-623-2496.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Or 509-465-1606.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		509-465-1606.
		They can order the manuscript through there.
		They can find out some detailed information on the amulets and the petroglyphs that go with the amulets.
		And they can also find out about some of the wilderness excursions that I'm going to be taking people to these ancient sites so they can experience it themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go to the phones.
		On the first time, call our line.
		You're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		I was going to read you something really quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please, please don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell us about it.
unidentified		Okay, Okay, well basically in 1933 there was a man who was teaching that the UFOs were, and he said he was taught by God, were to be used in the destruction of the end of the world.
		And he taught that in it was represented the four colors of the four original nations.
		One of them, you know, the Indians, you know, all the black people.
		But nevertheless, he gets in and he says that this wheel, this is back, remember 1933, remind you, was built by men on the island of Nippon.
		And he says that this was built to and for the destruction of this world, the present day, meaning the wicked and so forth.
		He gets in and says that this plane is, there is one major plane, which is one half mile by one half mile.
		And within it fits 1,500 smaller bomber planes, which will be used to drop bombs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is it who said it?
unidentified		This was written by Elijah Muhammad in 1933, one of the first people.
		He said, you will say I'm crazy at first, but you will see these things toward the end times in the destruction of the present world.
		So that's something to consider.
		And I wondered how that tied in with Popi prophecies.
		He says that it is a wheel.
		In it is a wheel within a wheel, which is the same as described in Ezekiel's wheel, except in it is the likeness of the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you see a parallel, Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with that particular writing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, it sounds an awful lot like some of the prophecy you've been discussing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Again, we're seeing a lot of correlation between different prophecies.
		I think the difference in perspective from what I'm seeing is that it's not about the end of the world.
		It's about the change of the world, which is a big, there's a big difference.
		There is no end.
		The Earth is never going to end.
		It's a matter of do we want to continue with it?
		We're the ones in jeopardy because we're simply not making the right choices.
		And now we're waking up to the fact that we have the ability to make those choices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I think that's well said.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think that necessarily everything that flies in the sky is out to hurt us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's also well said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Dan from Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dan.
unidentified		And I got three quick questions.
		The first one is the landings, have there been landings?
		There's been reported landings in Arizona on the Indian River reservations with these triangular craft.
		I just wonder if you could offer any confirmation with the people that you've talked to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know of any landings, Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There have been landings in the White Mountains in Arizona.
		What transpired at those landings, I do not have personal knowledge of.
		I only have second-hand knowledge of, so I would be reserved in making my comments because they would only be opinions.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		The second question is, I had a great opportunity to go to the Philippines about two years ago and visit some sacred caves.
		And my spiritual teacher gave me an amulet that looks very similar to what you have on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And where did they come from?
unidentified		They came from the Philippines.
		And what I would like to be able to do, I mean one of them looks almost identical that I've seen, there were three, there was a set of three that go together.
		One of them is about the same size.
		We chose the wings.
		It looks like an angel.
		In the center forehead, it had a skull.
		And then around it, it had like hieroglyphic signs that possibly could have been ancient symbols, you know, for the different planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you take a photograph of that and forward it to me?
unidentified		Okay.
		I would forward a picture of the one that I have.
		It does not look similar.
		Mine's a little different, but it's got the, like I said, there was a set of three.
		Mine has a stone in the center that to me represents the Earth.
		But around it, it's got these different ancient symbols.
		Then on the back of it, it's got things that, to me, indicate the different elements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, forward that to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad to put it on the website, and we'll all take a look.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I appreciate your call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything else?
unidentified		Yeah, just one quick question.
unidentified		We were asked to send a fax to NASA to request viewing of Hailball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Have you got any feedback from that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was in the first hour with Richard Hoagland, and so far the answer is absolutely no.
		No feedback whatsoever.
		In fact, Richard, when he spoke earlier, sounded like he was giving up on trying to directly affect NASA, and now is turning to the politicians for whatever good that might do.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Mark from Collinsville, Illinois on SETCOM, the home of the Kokia Mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		First, and quickly, did you receive my letter concerning the Carolina Bay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
		Thank you.
		What do you think?
		Well, that's a whole different subject.
		Well, maybe it isn't really.
		I guess it really is.
unidentified		No, not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did a whole show on it, sir, and I think clearly that it is going on, that the red tide is being seen in many, many places, and this is just a new form of it, this, and I can't remember what you call it.
unidentified		Okay, Mr. Ghostwood, this is a great show.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Without divulging names and locations, I grew up a few miles from the in the heartland, a few miles from the artifact site you are researching.
		And I believe it's highly credible.
		I believe the cave or the mound was discovered in 1982.
		And the finder has written a book.
		And I know the gentleman, and I don't think there's any way he could possibly reproduce these artifacts or traveled overseas to get them.
		And that's the Bible Belt region in that area.
		And it was pretty much shot down.
		It's sort of a laughable thing out that way.
		But a few people that can think think there's something to it.
		And there was over like 2,000 artifacts taken from this case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it is interesting, Robert, that we're hearing about these artifacts that are coming from all different parts of the world that seem to show about the same thing.
		Now, that begins to say something to those who can think a notch or two ahead.
		I mean, it really does begin to say that at one time there was a global connection.
		Even the pyramids say that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		A global society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A global society that for some reason went away.
		And we now find only the artifacts of it.
		Those are the connections I'm beginning to make.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
		Hello, Art and Robert.
		This is Gordon from Boise, Idaho.
		Yes, sir.
		And you know, just a quick interesting fact that the city in Cahokia, from what I understand, at the time that it was at its peak, it was larger than any city that was in Europe at the same time.
		It was really quite massive, from what I understand.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, maybe Mr. Ghostwolf knows something about that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It was larger than anything that we had even 100 years ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so anyway, well, first of all, if I could get a little latitude, one time, there was one night I think I figured out, Robert, that then I have a question, it's a very serious question after this.
		I think I figured out that everything that we do physically, as far as making a sound, painting a picture, any kind of, well really anything we do is really just an attempt for our soul to replicate itself in the physical world.
		I mean it's all about replication from what I can gather about life in general.
		And so whenever you make a sound it's really a piece of your soul trying to just replicate itself.
		Well it's interesting.
		Anyway what you're saying makes a lot of sense to me.
		Here's my question.
		I don't know you haven't talked about spirit guides a whole lot.
		We can do that.
		Yeah that'd be in fact I'd really like to.
		And my spirit guide is a porcupine and I've had a hard time kind of dealing with that because as you can imagine a porcupine he's always got his quills.
		You know I mean even with his buddies and stuff you know they're hanging out and stuff.
		Well sir in your case you just have to follow your spirit guide at a slightly greater distance than the average.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That's a very wise statement all right.
unidentified		I like that.
unidentified		What is a spirit guide Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well that's really a vast subject.
		But in connection to your animal spirit guides there are beings, little beings that we have relationships with or that are trying to bring their wisdom and their understanding to us.
		And the way that we can understand them is by their behavior.
		You know the porcupine is a very docile animal actually and it lives on basically fruits and berries and grubs and little things.
		It's very passive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can afford to be.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And yes, and yet it's got its own defense mechanism that says keep a safe distance.
		And maybe with some of us what we need to do to not feel so paranoid is to learn to define our borders.
		It's like this is my reality and I'm not attacking your reality, but like let me have my space.
		I think that's what the porcupine does.
		So I wouldn't put the porcupine down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was good advice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor would I pick it up.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Don't put it in the back seat of your car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, where are you?
unidentified		This is Mickey from Costa Mesa, Costa Mesa, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mickey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I have a question about some Egyptian art pieces I have that I live with.
		I had a lady who came in and saw some of my art pieces and got real paranoid.
		And I started thinking about this.
		Is there a problem living with some of these art pieces that may possibly bring some kind of energy or something that could possibly be negative?
		I'm looking at something that looks at me straight in the eyes and I don't even know what it's called because I'm ignorant when it comes to the art history or even the names of some of the things that I have.
		Some of it was given to me.
		This is a head that was a copy of something that was in New York, someplace in the museum in New York.
		It's an exact copy, not worth a lot of money or anything.
		But just having the features of it, the face and all, I was told that it could probably bring some bad luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It's a pretty interesting question actually.
		What about it?
		Can artifacts or even replicas of artifacts carry some sort of power with them?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You know, ultimately you're the master of your own destiny.
		And to put an empowerment into an object, there's no real empowerment that's put into an object.
		It more or less is the use of the object.
		It's how it was used.
		It reflects the entity in the living soul that conducted whatever action they took with that.
		To turn around and say that we're looking at a picture and it's doing things, well, maybe the concern or the focus should be on what memories it's waking up in you.
		And a lot of times we tend to think that when we're getting these emotional understandings coming up within us, we're dealing with unknown factors about ourselves.
		And I think that we can let our fantasy run away a little bit.
		Not that we have to learn to look at these things with a little clarity.
		The spiritual world is really very cognizant.
		It's very understandable.
		It's not vague.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello.
unidentified		Let me kill the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kill that radio and tell us where you're calling from.
unidentified		This is Mike from Portage, Indiana.
		All right.
		First off, I'd like to say that I did some personal experimentation with lucid dreaming and astro projection and found that both of them shared the same major technique which is basically it all comes down to vibrations, which I thought was interesting considering what you guys were talking about.
		You bet.
		And second, I missed the beginning of your guys, of this show tonight, so I didn't know if you mentioned the pyramids that were recently talked about in China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pyramids, sir, are all over the world.
		Robert, hold on and caller, hold on.
		Pyramids we're finding now are all over our world.
		Now you tell me, you explain to me how it is that in such ancient times, different continents and areas could communicate to the degree that they would build identical structures.
		When you can explain that, then maybe you can explain a lot.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Call Art Bell, toll free.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to my guest, Robert Ghostwolf.
		Robert, welcome back.
		Hi.
		Here is the caller who is on the line.
		Sir, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go right ahead.
unidentified		I wanted to find out if you guys were aware of the pyramids that were in China.
		There's an internet site that I don't have the address handy.
		I can email it to you when I pick it up.
		But these pyramids apparently they dwarf Giza and I know that that's not a major feat.
		But is it possible that there could be similar things in there that would collaborate with these stones that were found?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Entirely possible.
		And I think that basically what we've been talking about through the whole show is the correlation between different cultures and different locations in the earth and the similarities to each other.
		The petroglyphs that I have and the amulets, these symbols can be seen everywhere.
		I mean, I've had people send me pictures of the same kind of petroglyphs that exist in India.
		I've seen the same petroglyphs in South America.
		So why wouldn't they exist in China?
		We're talking about a previous global society.
unidentified		Right.
		There's the chamber underneath the paws of the Sphinx that I believe the Egyptian government is going to be opening up soon.
		Unfortunately, it looks like they're putting a closed door policy on it as far as foreigners being involved with it.
		But it's sort of a shame because there could be similar things there, too.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe we have to rely on what we find here.
unidentified		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Or should I say what we're finding here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Okay.
		On our wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Robert?
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Not bad.
		Just want to ask you a question about a park out in Arizona.
		I don't know if you know about this one or not.
		It's been hid as far back as Lewis and Clark.
unidentified		It's called Bouncing Rock Park.
unidentified		Have you ever been there?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Or have you heard about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard about it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Walt Disney, he was shown this park years ago.
		And in this park, we'll answer all Art Bell's questions.
		Okay, Art, there's all these writings in there that resemble Roswell.
		As in the piece of angle iron that was seen there, with all the writings onto it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And also the same writings that you were describing that were seen on the same vehicle, like this year military vehicle over in England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay, these writings are all over these rocks.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I've seen this when I was eight years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on the, it's true.
		Robert, on the iron bars that were discovered along with the hand control panels, there are symbols that I don't understand.
		They almost look to me to be Egyptian, hieroglyphic.
		I don't know what they are.
		If you've seen them, what do they remind you of?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They remind me of symbols I've seen on architectural drawings.
		Very much so, is what I get out of them.
		Again, like you, I don't understand the language of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're just somehow vaguely from my past or some great past, familiar in some way.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that happens with most people who have viewed them, that they have a familiarity about them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Robert Ghostwolf, where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm in Monterey, California.
unidentified		My name is Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mark.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Nice to be able to get through, and I really enjoyed the program.
		I'm a pretty new listener only about two months, and I find your show very interesting.
		Anyway, I do a lot of reading and stuff.
		I think I read somewhere that theoretically the pyramid in Egypt is built by, I'm pretty sure it was Shem, but it might have been Enoch, and that originally it was covered with something like 144 huge limestones, and it was so white that it could be seen from, I don't know, hundreds of miles away.
		I don't know if that's true or not, but be something to consider.
		And I guess the only other thing that I think is all this quickening, and everything that's happening in the universe or on the planet as far as animals dying and the weather changes and all of that, I think it ties in really well with the book of Revelation because everything's pretty clearly spelled out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty good question.
		Let's move to that realm for a second.
		Robert, the book of Revelations in the Bible does seem to parallel a lot of what you're talking about.
		It's just one more discipline, one more belief system, and a very strong one with a very rich, pretty well-documented history.
		How do you look at that when you're asked about the book of Revelations and commonalities?
		How do you react?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of parallels.
		I look at them as affirmations from what I'm understanding from here.
		And again, it's when we look at any of these, when we look at any prophecy, prophecy is basically a precise psychic reading of a potentiality of a future event.
		And we have to watch our interpretation of what they might have been seeing, we're saying, and the results that we are now realizing.
		What do I mean by that?
		What I mean is that how would a being 5,000 years ago who wrote about a ten-headed beast with tentacles and arms, was he actually seeing a computer?
		And so this was his interpretation of it.
		I mean, the Hopi call their flying, what we call flying saucers, they called flying shields.
		What we're calling holographic lights in the sky, they called in Rome, wheels of fire.
		So we have to understand the evolution of language when we're interpreting what we're reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Gustwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, and good morning, Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Rapid City, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Listening to WTCM 580 out of Travis City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's on your mind?
unidentified		Listening this morning and for a long time to this wonderful program, I've picked up again on the vibration and the frequency art, kind of in relation to your book, The Quickening.
		Yes.
		We've talked about Tesla and the harmony of the spheres.
		We talk about the frequency of the Earth and everything on it.
		And we somehow don't understand why people are drowning their babies and numerous things today as we've discussed a lot of times.
		But with the ability of the harp and the vibration of the earth and everything else, couldn't this be affecting our minds as we already know that it can?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the answer, I think, clearly, sir, is yes.
		These vibrations, whether they're induced artificially by man or come from the earth, do affect us.
		We fully understand that.
		That's exactly what we've been talking about all morning.
		And if the earth is beginning to react to what we're doing or our environment, then those frequencies may be getting stronger or shifting.
		Sure.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Bill from Youngstown, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		Hi.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Robert, in your reference to the gigantic Sphinx, I believe it's in Missouri, upon which the other Sphinx could set in the past.
		Yeah, that was in Panther Mound in Florida.
		Could there be any mileage and perhaps interesting private industry to keep politicians out of it in checking under the pause to see if there are any chambers?
		Is that anything that's been talked about?
		I don't know of anything that has happened to that extent.
		Do you think that might be a good idea?
		I think if it was done in a right manner, it would be the right idea.
		You know, it's like talking about depression in people.
		Frequencies are one thing.
		That's a left-brain perception.
		The right-brain perception is as we lose our ability to dream and have hope, we then develop a frequency of self-defeatism.
		We start losing our belief systems.
		And when we talked earlier also about the energies and frequencies about medicine people here as well as medicine people in China going and looking at buildings, to go into an ancient site like that, you would have to find out if it was for the best interest and the highest interest, not to just decide, I'm going to take my backhoe and dig into this and find out what's going to happen.
		From the Native American aspect, I'd like to give a warning that you have to be careful when you open up old things, because there are things there that were put to sleep for a reason.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, thank you, Carla.
		Things that were put to sleep for a reason.
		Yeah, I like that answer.
		We now have a full link to Robert Ghostwolf's sacred amulet site.
		So you will see there the sacred amulets and much more, correct?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, much more.
		there's a whole group of pictures there.
		You know, that scares the hell out of me, a previous quickening.
		But one of a cycle, I suppose.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		When I grew up, they told me that history repeats itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they told me that, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think it is.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		All right, did you have a show back then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe of a different sort, who knows?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is Tuti in Northern California.
		This is the best show yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
unidentified		I'm loving it.
		I have two questions.
		One is, I have such a fascination with the crystal skulls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And if there's anything that you can talk about them.
		And also with the huge caves in Peru in the mountains.
		And the ones that are so huge, why are they so huge?
		And that all the walls are like glass, melted like ceramic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There is a lady, Robert, in Texas, and there are other skulls located throughout the world.
		I believe about a total of 13 of them.
		Crystal skulls.
		Do you know any of that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Quite a few of this.
		I don't know enough about that to be an expert, but I've seen some of them, and I know that there are several of them that were found in the Mayan pyramids in South America.
		Some of them seem to be very old, some of them seem to be a few thousand years old.
		What I mean by very old is there are a lot of artifacts that have been found, which now, this is an interesting point, they can't be carbon dated.
		And what that would indicate is that they came from a time previous to when our atmosphere is as it is now, which would support many of the theories about the Atlantean civilization and how the laser beams ripped through the stratosphere.
		And it was at that point from there that things could be carbon dated.
		But prior to that, things cannot be carbon dated.
		There's certain geological formations that cannot be carbon dated because there is no carbon radiation in them.
		And going to these they could have come from someplace else.
		They could have been imported from another dimension.
		That's not hocus-pocus.
		I've seen that happen.
		Relating to your caves, what would cause that kind of patina is that there is that kind of patina on the petroglyphs which also reflect to the amulets.
		It's almost a half inch thick and it radiates out from a central point and it is like glass.
		It is literally like the patina on fine pottery.
		And what would cause something like that in a cave, there's only literally one thing that could cause that.
		That would be tremendous heat in excess of 2,000 degrees.
unidentified		So what you're talking about is possibly not.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we just lost the connection, obviously.
		Actually, that time you heard it happen.
		There you go.
		Hear that?
		That's what it turned out to.
		So we lost the connection to Robert Ghostwolf.
		And you heard it deteriorate before your very ears.
		These things occur sometimes more frequently than not.
		You could actually hear that connection literally rip open.
		So we will reestablish communication.
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		Now that was one weird disconnection.
		Let me tell you.
		Robert, I don't know if you could hear it on that end.
		Tell me what it sounded like on your end.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It just sounded like the lines melted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounded like they melted just a little bit.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Are we getting close to home?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		But that's the weirdest one to date.
		It did.
		It sort of melted.
		Your voice went into total distortion.
		And then a fast, busy signal came on.
		It was really weird.
		Really, really weird.
		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Robert.
		This is Tom in Flutter, Minnesota.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tom.
unidentified		Brief comment, a couple quick questions.
		If you're in northern Minnesota, we're sitting today in mid-60 weather.
		Beautiful, some of the nicest weather we had.
		And I watched on television MRIL Tech skating four inches of snow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fourth week in April.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		I'd like to ask Robert, if he's thought, or opinion on pets, animals, the ESP we've seen demonstrated lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a very good question.
		That really is a good question.
		Let's ask about that.
		There have been, Robert, a lot of demonstrations, good hard science, indicating that animals seem to have ESP.
		There was a recent example in Portland when an elephant died.
		The elephants would have had no way to know this one elephant died.
		It was a few days ago.
		And at the exact moment of death, all of the elephants reacted dramatically.
		I mean, a great mourning went up.
		There could have been no way they would have known.
		What do you think, what do you know about animals?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Animals come from a group soul situation.
		When you're talking about the buffalo spirit, you're not talking in the same way that you would be speaking about the two-legged, the human situation.
		We tend to be very separated and don't even know what's going on within ourselves, never mind the person next to us.
		That's why we have so many relationship problems.
		But animals basically are connected.
		They're connected to a mutual consciousness and they are open to that frequency, which is how they communicate.
		We could go back to the hundredth monkey theory.
		How, you know, one group of monkeys started washing their food in a certain manner, and then all of a sudden all the monkeys within the island started washing their food in that manner, and it had never been done before.
		Animals communicate telepathically, and they basically exist on a constant alpha wave frequency, which is why they can tell through feelings, not necessarily words or language, what you are.
		When a person walks in the room and they have some malintent, that dog will pick up on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's true.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so telepathy is a very common thing, and it's not just in animals, it's in plants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that everybody will laugh at me when I say this, and I don't care.
		But I have cats.
		I happen to enjoy cats.
		I have three of them.
		I have one that is a wild cat.
		This cat and I have become very close now, and I can literally communicate, I can project thoughts to this little guy whose name is Comet.
		And when I do, when I do, he calms, he begins to purr.
		He knows.
		So he's receiving that.
		I know people are going to think I'm totally whacked out, but I know better than that because I've done it again and again and again and again.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they won't think you're whacked out.
		That's how animals communicate.
		They're open to that line.
		Your language doesn't mean anything.
		If you were to take your cat and you were to put it into a house of someone that only spoke Pakistani, the cat would understand everything that was going on.
		So it's not a language thing.
		They relate to frequency and feeling.
		They pick up thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they may relate to tone.
		In other words, if you raise your voice in an angry tone, they seem to react to that.
		Or if you talk in a calm tone, they can react to that.
		But they also react to simple thought.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Simple thought and emotion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And you can actually direct it, and I can feel that cat relax suddenly.
		You can feel it relax.
		Then it will start to purr, and it's receiving whatever it is you're sending, a very basic, primal something.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But isn't that what we do when we go into space of meditation?
		Isn't that what we feel when we walk into a room and we can feel the presence for someone?
		Or we can feel the intent of someone and we sort of say we've got a gut feeling?
		Yeah.
		So maybe the thing is, where do we receive it?
		The animal still feels from the heart.
		We tend to think from the head and shut the heart off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
		All right, hold on.
		It's headed toward the top of the hour again.
		My guest is Robert Guls-Wolf.
		He'll be here another hour.
		It's going to be a five-hour program.
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		Please make note of it.
		Again, 1-800-917-4278.
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		And the wildcard line is Area Code 702-727-1295.
		When you get through, let it ring, and ART will answer your call in order on the air.
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		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suspect love is one of the most powerful, powerful emotions in the universe.
		We'll ask about that in a moment.
		In fact, I'm convinced of it.
		Back to Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Robert.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we have a full bank of lines.
		I would like to give you an opportunity, though, to once again give out the numbers so people can get this incredible manuscript called Last Cry.
		It's going to be out eventually in paperback, but trust me, folks, the quality of Last Cry is what you really want.
		How do they get that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's Last Cry, Native American Prophecies, Tales of the End Time.
		And they can get it through my website, which is www.wolflodge.org, O-R-G, www.wolflodge.org.
		Or they can call 509-623-2496.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do it again.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		509-623-2496.
		Or 509-465-1606.
		509-465-1606.
		And they'll hear on the phone magical intricacies, which is who handles those calls for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Magical intricacies?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Magical intricacies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a person's name?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, it should be, but the wonderful goddess who works magical industries helps me keep my world together while I'm on the radio with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do understand.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Daniel calling from Sacramento, California.
unidentified		Looks like Talk 650KSP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it, Promo.
unidentified		All right, first of all, I just wanted to say thank you to you.
unidentified		You're an inspiration to everyone out here who is listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		All right, Mr. Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Do you have an email address?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		A PO box or some way to get you touched.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The email is ghostwolf at wolflodge.org.
		That's ghostwolf at wolflodge.org.
		And the post office address would be PO Box10961096 Spokane, Washington, 99208.
		Spokane, Washington, 99208.
unidentified		For about the last few years I've been working with Intertechnology.
		So over about the last eight months I've been receiving really clear visions about what I perceive going on underneath this quickening.
		I've seen ultimately the creation of a sort of neo-civilization.
		So basically I've been seeing the formation of some kind of nonprofit organization whose goal would ultimately be the creation of a sort of global education research and design center for planetary management development.
		So I was wondering if in the prophecy there was anything about a new governing infrastructure using like the fiber opt the internet and the fiber optic satellite communications network and like just like a coalescing of just like the people,
		you know, the most highly advanced people coming together to sort of educate and research and design like new models for civilization like made enough until the year 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is there anything in prophecy that you could interpret as seeing this age that we're entering of this mass communication and so forth and so on?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well what we can interpret out of prophecy, or what I interpret out of prophecy, and others who I work with, a lot of the technology that we're playing with now basically has been given to us or allowed for us to use because they're toys to help us learn how to work our own inner technology.
		You said a little earlier, Art, love is probably the strongest thing going.
		It absolutely can neutralize any force and move through it.
		And it's like what we're doing is we're rebirthing as a civilization and we're rebirthing from within.
		So whatever a mother is carrying a child, she's nurturing that child with love and then that child grows up and becomes a creative individual.
		If the child is denied love or the mother is in a state of non-love, what happens is that child goes up with a lot of psychological imbalances.
		What we're dealing with here as far as the Internet and situations like that, I see us basically incorporating and becoming part of what the Internet is.
		The Internet will eventually become our mass global communication with each other.
		What the Internet is doing is it's ending that consciousness of separation.
		We are finding out within minutes what's happening in the Philippines and what's happening in South Africa, what's happening in China or Siberia, Alaska, or Dallas, Texas.
		So what's happening is that we are now becoming global in the use of our consciousness.
		As we learn how to speed this up and to internalize it, and we understand what's happening with frequency and we internalize it, what happens is we then can manifest that from within, which is where we are going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On our first time caller line, you are on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Val.
unidentified		This is Victor calling from Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Victor.
unidentified		The mighty blowtorch, KEX.
		You are ringing loud and clear, Art.
		You are resonating in my brain and feeding my soul.
		Robert, you are one of my favorite guests.
		I listen to guests a lot on your program.
		I already have a doom and gloom report.
		I'd like to see if there's any solutions or bring some solutions.
		Would hemp, for example, be a solution to switch over to a commodity-based economy because I think it's going to collapse?
		Or would your program say it's going to collapse as far as our monetary system?
		And if this time around it's start a civilization included with hemp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your question would seem to be, can hemp save civilization?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Robert, you want to tackle that?
		I don't think hemp is going to save our civilization.
		I think that what's going to happen is eventually we're going to move into a form of a solid republic in which we're going to take a little step to the edge here and say that from my understanding of other galactic societies, whether we're talking about Syrians, Andromedans, I can go on and on with that.
		But they do not have a monetary system.
		The monetary system is basically an archaic system.
		It's based on, well, how do we learn how to trade?
		We're going to go into a form of exchange that's going to have to do on energy to energy and service to service.
		It's not going to be based upon economy.
		What's happened with economy is it's become the invisible leash of the new tyranny.
		We no longer have bars and whips.
		We now have credit cards and credit reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you about something fairly recent.
		There was a recent court decision that said that members of the U.S. Military Service may use peyote as part of a religious ceremony if it is if that's in fact what it is and they declared it to be so.
		And I just thought I'd get your reaction to that.
		Surprise?
		Were you surprised when you heard that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't really surprised.
		I feel it had to go that way because they had to support their own laws about the Native American Religious Freedom Act, which is kind of funny because number one, if I'm a Native American, why do I have to have religious freedom?
		And what is a Native American, I mean, am I a Lakota or am I a Ojibwa or am I a Cobenassone or am I a Shoshone?
		I think that the paradox in that is what does that have to do with the armed forces?
		And I think that we should look at the fact that in my experience, from my experience, peyote is only one form of expression within many, many hundreds of expressions.
		Most of the Native American ways that I know don't have anything to do with the taking of the substance.
		So I would just like to say that we should use a lot of clarity with that.
		If peyote is part of their religious right, then they have a right to do that.
		I would just hope that the gunner wasn't using it when he was on duty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Lion, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Spokane, Washington, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then it's a grand loop to Spokane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead, sir.
unidentified		First of all, I'd like to say I agree with you what you said about love being the most powerful emotion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's clear.
unidentified		And to Robert, you know the two stones?
		Mm-hmm.
		I'd like to know, of all the symbols that could be on them, why were those two chosen?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Why were those two chosen?
unidentified		Not really chosen, but why were those two picked?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They weren't picked.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They were given to me to hold.
unidentified		No, I mean when the stones were created.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why were those two things?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that they would have to do with the particular energy or the particular statement.
		When someone comes from a certain mystery school, for instance, and they achieve a completion of their initiation, what happens is that they then have the right or the authority to wear the symbol of that school.
		So I would assume that these amulets were pretty similar and that the people who wore them had to write to execute that knowledge from that particular wisdom school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghost Wolf.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just wondering, how do you identify your animus spirits?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Look for the ones that are most frequently around your life.
		They're always telling you.
		It's really very simple stuff.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then it's clearly cats for me.
unidentified		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And you must have a Pleiadian background.
unidentified		Yeah, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once, going twice, going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Mark from San Jose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to speak up good and loud.
unidentified		Okay.
		I have a question.
		Well, I'm going to be up in Spokane this summer, but I have a question for Robert.
		You mentioned something about seven generations back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I have American Indian blood in me seven generations back.
unidentified		Could you elaborate on that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We go through cycles.
		We go through cycles of four.
		We go through cycles of seven.
		We go through cycles of eleven.
		When we come back on the loop of seven, we basically come back to the beginning of what we had created seven generations ago.
		So, for instance, what we feel that we have gone through since the Indian wars of the 19th century is that now we have come back seven generations.
		And it is now time to change the direction of the wheel.
		It's time to now open up and expand and to step forth with what we are.
		And life itself is showing us that that is happening.
		It's not an easy road, but that is happening.
		I mean, now you can travel through America, and you can go into a Lakota Inippi Lodge, and you can see Tibetan monks sitting there and sharing ceremony.
		You'll see natives from North America, from the Iroquois to the Ojibwa to Apache to Lakota, going down to South America and sharing and exchanging information and knowledge.
		And we're seeing that happening throughout the world.
		So this is, again, where the sacred hoop, the circle of life, now becomes a spiral and we get a chance to grow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Where are you?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Robert.
unidentified		In Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Mississippi River Valley.
unidentified		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Just wanted to say a great show.
unidentified		I believe everything he's saying.
		I have a grandfather that's 86, and he talks basically in the same way.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any questions or just that statement?
unidentified		Did he have a book?
unidentified		Does Robert have a book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a manuscript called Last Cry.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And it's about Native American prophecy and prophecies for the end time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did we go about getting that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, one more time.
unidentified		Here we go.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They can contact us at the website, which is www.wolflodge1word.org, O-R-G, www.wolflodge.org.
		They can call 509-623-2496.
		That's 509-623-2496.
		Or 509-465-1606.
		509-465-1606.
		And when you pick up the phone, you'll hear magical intricacies.
		They handle all the ordering for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostboard.
unidentified		Fine.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hold on a second.
unidentified		Got that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I got that.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Okay, what a surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you out there on the highway?
unidentified		I'm at Monomarker 260 on I-5, listening on 1120 KPNW out of Eugene, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Aren't you whacked out?
		Leave them cat blown.
		Got that?
		Yeah.
		Okay, great.
		Robert.
		Hello, Robert.
		This is Tom.
		Hi, Tom.
		Have you had any dealings with the Rainbow family at all?
		Are you familiar with them or of the gatherings that they have every year?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm familiar with them, yes.
unidentified		Do you go to the gatherings?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I go when I'm invited.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I've been to a couple.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		I just wondered, a lot of what you've been saying falls in line with a lot of what a lot of people, and art included, say.
		But what can we do right now to, like, stop it, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I know exactly.
		We all know exactly what you mean, and it's a reasonable question.
		What can we do to stop it, reverse it, change it?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We have to start internalizing what we're realizing on the outside.
		We have to stop running away from what we're realizing on the outside and realize that what we're realizing from the external world is telling us what we have to do to change the internal world.
		You can't expect an effect to happen to the outside world until you change what's going on inside of you.
		The minute that you do that, we can rectify things in a rapid hurry.
		I'm working right now with a group of people who are working with frequencies, with understanding what we've been talking about, and are working together with people who are working with technology, where we're taking certain frequencies and blending them together and learning how to internalize them and how to sing, chants, and ohms and work with the technology where basically we can reverse the entire situation environmentally on the planet within a matter of weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, it really does make sense that what is moving very quickly and chronicled in the book I wrote, The Quickening, could, if things were right, move as quickly in the other direction.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a lot of time here.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, good morning, yes, gentlemen.
		Yes, I've seen a V-shaped object like you two, and also it wavered.
		Did it wave from side to side when you guys saw it?
		And also, I've had a remote viewing of a town in the San Joaquin Valley being covered in white sand.
		Is this a premonition on my part?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will discuss when we come back.
		Premonitions.
		That's a good question.
		Visions, premonitions, that sort of thing.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to Robert Ghostwolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you holding up out there, Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We're still holding up.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then we'll make it easily.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Middle Tennessee area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Okay, how's everybody doing this morning?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Doing okay here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Okay, I had a couple of questions.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Rob must be coming up there.
unidentified		Pardon?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Ron must be coming up there, almost.
unidentified		Won't be very long.
unidentified		Robert, I was going to ask you, what tribe are you?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm a mixed blood, like I said earlier.
unidentified		Okay, well, I missed quite a bit of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, what is your mixed blood?
unidentified		I have Iroquois and Lakota blood in me.
unidentified		Iroquois and Lakota.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It goes back to my great-grandmother.
unidentified		I caught just a little bit of a caller's response to a location somewhere in the southeast here, some burial sites, where quite a bit of artifacts have been removed.
		And I've been asked to be as one of the representatives for the Native American community in this area to go visit the site before the remains are removed.
		And I was wondering if the amulets that you were talking about, if they may have come from this area?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They didn't come from Tennessee.
unidentified		Not in this area.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, but I do know of there are pyramids in Tennessee.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And there are great mounds there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And my question is, why do they want to disturb the people who are sleeping?
unidentified		I could never understand that.
unidentified		I've worked with quite a few people, several tribes that have come here to our area with this issue of drug desecration.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's a major problem.
unidentified		Well, what tribe are you with there?
		Muskogee Creek Nation of Oklahoma.
		Oh.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, you better trust your heart, brother, and find out if it's really necessary.
unidentified		I don't think the destruction of all these of the mounds and the burial sites is necessary, because I do agree with you that some things are better left alone, that they are meant to be put before you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me see if I can, that's an interesting way to put it again.
		Let me see if I can understand, Robert, about Native American belief with regard to the body after our life has left it, after our soul has left it.
		Why are I mean to everybody, I guess to some degree, burial grounds for everybody in some way or another sacred.
		But others believe that when our soul is gone from our body, it is as nothing.
		So what is sacred about a burial ground?
		Straight out question.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		What is sacred about a burial ground is that we are literally walking on the dust of our ancestors.
		We're breathing that in, and when we put people in the ground, when we bury them in that fashion, we're literally putting the consciousness of those people into the earth.
		It's the same reason why the pharaohs were buried in the manner that they were buried in Egypt, and why the high Mayan people, priests, were buried in the fashion that they were.
		They become batteries of the consciousness so that that consciousness can continue on the earth plane.
		When we go to places like Manchu Picchu or some of the mounds, Haokia down up by St. Louis, those people are not here on this plane anymore.
		And when you walk there, you very often get a very strange feeling.
		It's like you don't feel anything.
		If anything, you feel a vacuum.
		And so what we do by not desecrating these places is we keep that consciousness here on the plane with us so we have something to attach to.
		But my question would be, how come they don't like want to go to New York City and build hotels over the cemeteries there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll let that one hang in the air as an obvious good question.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Melino, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay, can you hear me better now?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		I asked a question about the connection between prophets and prophecy and whether you felt like remote viewers and remote viewing was similar to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well that goes to the visions and premonitions question which I meant to tackle after the break anyway.
		Visions, premonitions, remote viewing, seers, all of that sort of thing.
		Robert, what do you believe about all of that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		What I believe about that is if we go back to the ancient teachings, regardless of which avenue we travel along, whether we study the teachings of the Ascended Masters or we go back to Alice Bally or Blavatsky or whether we go through India or whether we go to the Native American or the Tibetan avenue, prophets were not just, there's a difference between a prophet and a psychic.
		And the prophet basically is someone who basically has to go through a lot of question, a lot of trial to see how the visions come.
		The prophet doesn't necessarily do psychic readings.
		So it's a different kind of an energy.
		Remote vision, that's remote vision is a deliberate projection to a specific destination where you're trying to extract information through a visual perception.
		Where again a psychic premonition would be something that you're getting mentally, not necessarily in pictures, or it can be both.
		What this has to do with what we are in this time, because a lot of people are getting it, and it has to do again with the prophecies, in that in this time we will all become psychics.
		We will all become visionaries.
		And we have been put on this plane to master our emotional reaction to all of life because it's through emotion, and there are those who believe that we could be the last race in the universe that still has emotion and passion.
		But it is through emotion that we manifest reality.
		It is not through intellect.
		So we're put here and put through different experiences to master our emotion.
		And what I've been hearing from a lot of people tonight has been a lot of reliance and emphasis put on what's going on externally, which is telling me that perhaps people should go internally a little more, which is what maybe the Native American wisdom is really about.
		You understand what's going on outside once you get clear inside.
		Once you no longer have questions inside, the outside is no longer a mystery.
		Did I go back at that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sort of got it, all right.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Robert, Natakia-san.
		And I want to tell you that this program is just phenomenal.
		I saw you last year here in Mesa and Arizona at the Prophecy Conference.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've got the same goosebumps and my hair standing on the end just like it was then.
		It was a great show.
		Yeah, it was phenomenal.
		Here in Arizona in the Valley of the Sun, there was an ancient people known as the Holocom.
		Are you familiar with them?
		A little.
		An old myth that I have heard for years, and I don't know how true it is or anything about it because very little is known about the people because they just disappeared, you know.
		And One of the things that the old myths are is that they went to the top of the superstitions, superstition mountains which are just east of the valley, and that they returned home to the stars.
		But they are also supposed to return again someday.
		And I don't know, you know, all these things that are going on.
		Did I hear earlier in the program, I was busy, that like a UFO or something had been seen around Window Rock?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They've seen a lot of UFOs around Window Rock, and they've seen a lot in the White Mountains.
unidentified		In the White Mountains, too.
		Oh, fascinating.
		Art, I must be a Pleiadian along with you because of all my cats, I have seven of them.
		And I don't find them.
		They come and find me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They find me, too.
unidentified		And I communicate with them the same way you do.
		I mean, it's like, you know, my bed's full of cats at night.
		You know, my husband almost gets shoved out.
		But anyway.
		This is Carol from Mesa, by the way.
		I'm the Mad Saxer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carol, wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you for the show, you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		You're gone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too bad.
		They waited and then at the last minute ducked.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is Marcus.
		You're at Disco Technipel in Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I wanted to extend my congratulations on an excellent show and thanks to Robert Ghostwolf for being there.
		I have a question concerning Native American spirituality.
		In my perambulations through the AOL chat rooms, I was rather saddened to find that it's more than one Native American spiritual student and practitioner evidently harbors some mistrust and occasionally even resentment to non-Native Americans who have engaged in what I can only describe,
		I guess, as cultural theft or plagiarism in that there has been a lot of wholesale borrowings of Native American traditions with little or no real understanding and very little attempt to really step into those particular shoes for a while and walk the walk and really understand from the heart what the Native American traditions are all about.
		I'd like to ask Robert, from his viewpoint, what is the best way for a non-Native American student of spiritual traditions to tender the respect that those traditions are due and worthy of?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that we have to realize that we're going through a society and America is very unique in this manner in that we have an extremely vibrant cross-cultural society here.
		And there is a lot of pain in the memory of people who have basically been forced to be silent and forced not to speak out.
		I mean forced not to be able to speak out their spirituality beliefs with credibility for a long time.
		And there's a lot of social resentment that goes on because there is an extreme amount of poverty and neglect that goes on on reservations.
		They're really extremely depressing.
		And there has been a lot of abuse of Native American spirituality, but the best way to find out that the truth about what's going on with the Native Americans is to simply be open-hearted and open-minded and to speak with a straight tongue.
		You may get tested in the beginning.
		It's a warrior's nature to test, but eventually the true heart holds through.
		And once you befriend each other, then there's no difference in color.
		When you go inside the Iniipi Lodge, there's no color.
unidentified		I'm very glad and heartened to hear that.
		Also, that the Native American practitioners and teachers are getting together to pool resources.
		I think you're right.
		It's time this was happening.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's time to join the hoop.
unidentified		And thank you very much for your help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for your call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Robert, I wanted to ask you a little bit about the Anipi Lodge.
		I have been exposed to the Inipi Lodge through Lakota Sioux, people that I have met, and I'm not sure if what's going on and the teaching that I'm being taught are true Native American, and I'm a little concerned about it.
		I'm wondering about the ceremonies, when they perform the ceremonies, the bringing of spirits in, and the man that pours the water, the pipe carrier, was saying that the spirits were speaking through him.
		And I'm wondering if this is how these ceremonies are done.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember something I said a little earlier, we have to internalize.
		We have to come through the heart rather than through the head.
		And when you come through the heart, when you walk into a situation, if it doesn't feel good, you shouldn't be there.
		And if you're going to any ceremony by anybody, I don't care whether they're a Native American or a Tibetan or they're a Hindu, if you're in a ceremony and there's a feeling of manipulation, well then there's something that's not in balance there.
unidentified		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And that's something that you become very aware of intuitively.
unidentified		Okay, see, right.
unidentified		And see, my intuition is telling me that this is a person that is trying to take Native American heritage and mix it in with some of his own manipulations.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And he may have a personal agenda he's trying to fulfill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is follow your inner feelings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll know.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
unidentified		Follow my heart instead of my head.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yep, you got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
unidentified		This is Paul from Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Roswell, all right.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to relay a place that my grandfather used to tell us when we were a kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, you're very hard to understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your phone is kind of distorted or something.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can hear you, but it's a lot of fuzz.
		Yeah, a lot of fuzz.
		Do you have a question?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Actually, I just want to relay the story and see if he had an explanation for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're very short on time, so if it's real quick.
unidentified		Okay.
		He told me that when he was a child, he used to have to go out and get firewood, and he used to have to bring a whip with him to fight off coyotes if they came around.
		He said one time he had gone out and a coyote had come and he had whipped it three times across the back.
		And when he got home with the firewood, his aunt was laying across the the porch and she had three whiplashes across the back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And they had said that she was a witch.
unidentified		What kind of, you know, what's the explanation for that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got a lot of coyotes out here and they stay as far away from people as they can, where I am anyway.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Coyotes are basically very shy and they're very, they use cleverness.
		They're not aggressive whatsoever.
		There was a report about a coyote biting a child about a week ago in the Phoenix area.
		And it was a situation where most likely the animal was cornered and provoked.
		But for the most part, they want to stay 100 miles away from you.
		Coyotes don't, they're not aggressive at all.
		But I think that what you're talking about here is you're talking about a shapeshifter.
		You're talking about an entirely, that's a whole nother world.
		So you're talking about someone who actually shapeshifted into that spirit.
		And it sounds like there was something going on between those two people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe shapeshifters do exist?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I don't just believe it.
		I've had personal experience with it.
		Remember, my name's Ghostwolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
		I guess you got that name somehow or another.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with a man named Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hello.
		Art Bell.
		This is LaBelle from Whitney, California, right outside of San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is an old KSFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number one, KSFO.
unidentified		Tell me about it, buddy.
		Hey, this one, I'm a first-time caller.
		I'm so glad to get through it.
		Glad you made it.
		Yeah, Art Bell, I really appreciate your show.
		Thank you.
		And I believe his name is Wolf.
		Ghost Wolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost Wolf.
unidentified		Yes.
		My question is, oh man.
		Okay.
		The quickening, the part I want to speak about, the quickening.
		A lot of people have spoken about this when I was a child about the San Francisco Bay Area, that falling into the ocean.
		Is there anything as far as a premonition that you have upon that right there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's ask.
		Yeah, a lot of people talk about California cracking off, falling off, all the rest of it.
		Is there any prophecy you know of that supports that, Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have quite a few in my book, but let's try.
		But basically, you know, just on a geophysical fact, the shoreline of California is moving northward.
		Everything from L.A. is moving up to Point Reyes.
		And that fault line, that San Francisco, that San Andreas fault line, goes right up to the San Juan Islands off Washington State.
		As a matter of fact, it ends right off Orcas Island up there.
		And the premonitions about it falling into the ocean, there's a strong possibility that could happen.
		I don't see catastrophic earth changes happening until after the year 2003.
		And I see a lot of warnings coming up.
		You're going to start to see volcanoes not acting singularly, but in groups, especially around the Pacific Rim.
		But I think the main thing to be concerned about in San Francisco along the California coastline is the tsunamis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the tidal waves.
		All right.
		We are coming to the end of the program.
		So Robert, one more time.
		Give us clearly the numbers, the two numbers where people can get Last Cry.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		If they're interested in getting the Native American prophecies, they can get us at www.wolflodge.org.
		That's www.wolflodge.org.
		Or they can call us at 509-623-2496.
		That's 509-623-2496.
		Or 509-465-1606.
		509-465-1606.
		And they'll answer the phone magical intricacies because they handle all of the orders for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been a great pleasure once again, and it is not goodbye, but until we do it next.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Maybe next time we'll talk about the chupacabra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, thank you.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Robert Ghostwolf.
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