On April 16, 1997, Art Bell and Peter Davenport discuss NORAD’s DEFCON 4 alert amid canceled tours and hardened defenses, while GOES-9 satellite images reveal a 20–25-mile object near Point Reyes—confirmed by five sensors and dismissed as flares despite witness reports. Remote viewer Ed Dames suggests an A-10 pilot’s death in Arizona, not Colorado, and Bill Hamilton details Phoenix’s March 13th UFO flap, including silent lights and F-16 chases. Callers cite seismic activity, military drills, and classified threats, with Bell warning of accelerating unknown events, hinting at government secrecy and escalating anomalies. [Automatically generated summary]
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It's great to be there.
I've got a lot of information for you this morning.
There's a lot going on, and a lot of it is certainly highly strange.
And so we'll get to all of that.
Peter Davenport from the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle is with us because we've got some very, very strange photographs.
Anyway, I'll begin to unwind this story in a moment, and you can put the pieces together as you will.
NORAD is on alert.
Let me tell you that much.
NORAD is on alert, and the reasons why are not particularly clear.
Officially from CNN, the U.S. Air Force Space Command headquarters in Colorado has tightened security.
They're on alert as a result of a reported threat against that facility.
Concrete barriers have been placed in the road leading to the installation.
An identification is being checked by all people approaching the base or for all people.
The public tours have all been canceled.
The blockade has been set up about a quarter of a mile from the facility at the main entrance.
The Cheyenne Mountain facility is home, of course, to the U.S. Space Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, assigned to protect the U.S. and Canada against missile and air attack.
Now, that news began breaking on CNN in the early afternoon, and I began to try to reach out to figure out what was going on at NORAD.
I can't tell you that I now know, but I may have some pretty good guesses.
Now, check me if I'm wrong here.
CNN reported, reported in the early afternoon, and as the afternoon wore on that this alert was in fact ongoing, but said that, categorically said, it was not related to the coming anniversary of Waco on the 19th, nor the missing A-10 aircraft.
I've never been to NORAD, Cheyenne Mountain, but my sense is they would not be concerned by the possibility of an A-10 hitting it with 500-pound bombs, or for that matter, even plowing into it.
Cheyenne Mountain is hardened against a nuclear attack.
Or at least that was always my take on what they were.
Moreover, NORAD does not concern itself with things other than space things or strategic matters, ICBMs, that sort of thing.
That is my understanding, and indeed this explanation of the reason for their existence.
Correct?
So I would not imagine they'd have a lot to fear from any sort of domestic terror that anybody could concoct, short of a nuclear device.
So their alert, to some degree, does not make sense.
Now, here is more information, which, of course, I cannot confirm, but I'm going to give it to you anyway.
Then I'll let my guest tell you about what time it was.
Here's where the story really begins to get interesting.
I called Peter Davenport, and Peter said, well, that's really strange because you should see what I've got, and you will indeed see what he has got.
Peter Davenport runs the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
And there are a number of subjects we would like to cover with you, Peter.
But the big one up front is you had a conversation earlier today with a federal employee who you will not name because it would not be fair to that employee to name him.
We haven't told him we're going to do so.
And so just tell me, what exactly did you two guys talk about?
Yeah, it's been a rather exciting day, Art, and so exciting that to give our listeners some idea, I was planning to be on an airplane headed for the East Coast tonight, but all of that has been bashed.
I've decided to stay here and handle this incident to try to find out if we can get more information.
In fact, some of our listeners may be able to help us.
But about 12.30 this afternoon, we took a call from a federal employee who called principally to apprise us of two things.
First of all, he had been called by a pilot who had seen something last night off the coast of California, I believe is the case.
And he had called this individual to ask him, the federal employee, whether he could provide the pilot with the telephone number, the hotline number for UFO reports here in Seattle at the center.
No, but except for the fact that apparently the pilot saw something that was very large.
I'm not sure of that.
We're awaiting a call or we hope to hear from this pilot or any other pilot for that matter who may have seen something off the coast of California or near California last night.
The second reason this federal employee called us was to ask us if we had seen or heard about the peculiar photograph that had been taken this morning at 1530 Zulu, I think that's 8.30 Pacific time this morning, 16th of April, of the object that had been photographed by U.S. Navy or National Weather Service satellites,
the object sitting outside San Francisco Bay or technically off Point Reyes.
I told him I had not.
He gave me a website address for getting access to that photograph.
I went there and I was flabbergasted by what I saw, frankly.
I think I will leave it just as he is a federal employee.
I have satisfied myself that this individual is real.
I had an opportunity to call his place of employment back, and I did locate him there, so I'm quite satisfied that he is a federal employee.
I'm quite satisfied that he would be in a position to know these facts.
Also, that he would have the technical expertise and acumen to know some of the fine details about this particular incident or this photograph.
But in short, what he reported to me was that a U.S. Navy reconnaissance or weather satellite, essentially a GOES-9, I don't know who owns them, but a GOES-9 satellite, I think they're in geosynchronous orbit, according to what you've reported to me, Art.
You know, took a photograph at about 1530 Zulu this morning, and it showed what must be a monstrous object, if it is not an artifact, if it's not an error of the system or something like that.
And I think, rightfully, we still have to establish that beyond reasonable doubt.
But this individual reported to me that they have analyzed the photograph in their facility, and they found many things about it that are very intriguing.
One, it appeared to be above the troposphere of the Earth's atmosphere.
And the individual with whom I talked at length this afternoon reported to me that their analysis suggests that the top surface, that is the surface that the satellite was looking down on, appears to have visible detail on it.
Another interesting fact about this object is that this was a morning shot, apparently.
And the illuminated side, if we can call it that, of the object that was photographed, is on the western edge.
Now, if it were merely a reflection, the illuminated side would be, of course, on the eastern edge, facing the rising sun.
And we have got both of those pictures up on my website right now.
And what the optical shows, everybody should understand, is pixelated.
And of course it's pixelated.
It's taken from geostationary orbit.
So what you see is pretty big, but it's pixelated.
So don't be surprised when you see pixels, artifacts.
That's the way it shows up.
The photograph on the right seems to show the same object off the coast of California.
And it is depicted in infrared as white.
And if you enlarge it, if you download the photograph and enlarge it, you will see it almost looks like an inverted L, but appears to be certainly in the same position as the optic photograph.
This is really weird, folks.
I mean, we're talking about something you just heard Peter say, 25 miles on a side.
Now, this federal employee suggested that this was not an artifact somehow of the photograph, but was something real.
And I do know from my NOAA series of photographs, and I can get those here, that you can take the temperature, you can find the temperature of any object that you can see, the water, the clouds, whatever.
I'm able to do that here, so I'm certainly aware they would be able to do it.
And this is some kind of weird object.
Now, let's go back for a second to the NORAD report.
I refuse to believe that NORAD would be worried about some fellow who might have an A-10 with 500-pound bombs or a terrorist who might drive something up to Cheyenne Mountain because they are, Peter, are they not, hardened against nuclear attack?
I think right now I feel as though I don't have enough fact to start reaching any kind of conclusion.
I think we're at the stage of principally wanting to alert the American people, wanting to alert the listenership to the fact that something appears to be going on.
And in this case, I would focus on the fact, no pun intended, I would focus on the fact that we have this photograph that appears to be anomalous.
The one thing this gentleman who called me this afternoon pointed out is that the object that was photographed from the satellite is visible by all, I believe he said, five cameras that are aboard the GOES-9 satellite.
But he said that they photograph in the visible spectrum.
They photograph in the infrared.
They photograph with radar.
And there are a couple others as well.
And all of these five media, if you will, showed exactly the same thing.
He said that is very interesting.
One other thing I would add to that, they have analyzed the image, and they know that the object that is visible was blocking light from the surface of the Earth.
He said that is very unusual.
He seemed to imply that sometimes there are artifacts that are visible in their images, but they nevertheless can see light being reflected from the ground level.
In this case, he said it's a solid object.
And in addition, he said there was visible detail on the surface.
The other thing that he apprised me of, he gave me some technical information about satellite.
I really know very little about satellites, but he said that the typical scan time, that is the exposure time of a photograph like this, is about a thousandth of a second.
I can't confirm that personally, but if that's the case, the object was there and gone in very short order, we can presume.
I have gone to the photograph that was posted by the government just prior to the 1530 photograph and the one just after.
All we know that it was that or is that it was not there during the prior photograph or prior scan, and it was not there later.
And combine that with the fact that apparently the pilot who called this federal employee this morning looking for our number to report a UFO was not aware of the photograph at that time.
All right, and everybody should know these photographs.
We have pulled off, in one case, a Navy military satellite that has GOES 9 images, and in the other case, a Washington educational website, apparently.
Both of these taken, that was the infrared, and the first one is the optical.
So I'm beginning to be reminded of the Chuck Shramik program a little bit in that all we're saying is, and I want to make this very clear: here are some photographs that we have that we don't understand, that don't make sense.
And it's worth discussing in view of the alert at NORAD, A, and B, the fact that five cameras all sensed the same object.
And we had a pilot reporting.
I wish we had the opportunity to interview that pilot and ask him exactly what it was he saw, but I guess all you know is whatever in the hell it was, it was big.
About 15 minutes, I would say, ahead of airtime tonight, I got a call from a man in Yuma, Arizona, who, once again tonight, as he did last night, is seeing lights, stationary lights of some sort.
So we'll talk a little bit about what happened, the whole big flap in Arizona, and whatever might be going on tonight and last night with Peter in a moment.
Stay right where you are, Peter.
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To recap, we have photographs of an anomalous object taken earlier this morning, about 8:30 this morning, or 15:30 Zulu, we believe, by a GOES-9 satellite.
We've got both the infrared and the visual image.
It's on my website right now.
It was thought to be at tropospheric levels, whatever that is, in miles up.
Very high, at any rate, and very, very large.
Does that relate to the alert at Cheyenne Mountain?
Why is Cheyenne Mountain on alert?
All of these are just open questions right now.
My guest is Peter Davenport, and in a moment, we are going to cover, we're going to continue to cover this, but we're also going to talk a little bit about what happened in Arizona.
Were they flares or were they something else?
Back now to Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Washington.
That's Washington State.
Peter, what can you tell us about this whole Arizona business?
I had a guy who called me before the program and said they were flares.
Well, I'd like to talk to that individual because I think I have the information, the data, the proof that would cause him to be disabused of that notion.
Pure and simply the 13th of March 1997 was the busiest night and the most dramatic night I've spent on the hotline in two and a half years.
In short, people can go to our website, www.ufocenter.com, and see a brief summary, about a four-page summary of what happened.
We hope to be able to update that in the near future.
But in brief, what happened is this, an object which was described by all viewers who got a good look at it as being not smaller than four 747s directly above their heads, wingtip to wingtip, nose to tail, covered at least two dozen cities in Arizona in very rapid sequence.
We think it was in the airspace above Arizona for not more than an hour or at most an hour and a half.
We know or strongly suspect that it was able to travel at supersonic velocities without generating a sonic boom or shockwave.
It hovered in at least three areas for somewhere between two and five minutes.
In one case, on the northeastern quadrant of Phoenix, just a mile south of Camelback Mountain.
It hovered above a mother and five children for an estimated five minutes.
They were flabbergasted by it.
We also know that it traveled through or just over the airspace of at least three international, major international airports in Arizona, maybe as many as six.
Yes, a number of pilots called us and they reported that altitude is always difficult to estimate unless you can triangulate.
Right.
But they estimated that from the quality of the appearance of the object, they were looking at something that was maybe 1,000 or 2,000 feet in the air directly above their head.
There was a group of five adults in Dewey, Arizona, that saw this thing directly above them.
They saw it coming at them from the north-northwest.
They pulled off the road.
They were on their way into Prescott Valley to go bowling.
Pulled off the road, and they stopped in a shopping center parking lot and watched this thing for two, three, maybe even four minutes directly above them.
Nobody heard any sound whatsoever.
The object at one point was seen to shoot a bolt of red light down at the ground.
Some people said that you could see stars between the individual lights.
Other people said that you could not.
You could make out the outline of the object and that it was solid.
We got many very, very good drawings.
We invariably asked for three things, a written, brief written account of what people experienced, a drawing, and a map that will allow them to show where they were at the time of their sighting.
The interesting thing is that almost everybody describes it as being the same shape until it gets down to Tucson.
We have a few reports from Tucson from people who claim that the lights broke up and they arranged themselves in a nose-to-tail fashion, somewhere between seven and nine lights, and then they went streaking off nose-to-tail, I believe they said to the south, probably towards Mexico.
So it is one of the most mysterious objects that we have ever had to handle on the hotline.
To this day, I don't know what it was.
One report, interestingly, came from five people who were driving on the interstate from Tucson northwest up to Phoenix.
They believe they were driving directly under it at 80 miles an hour for approximately five minutes before they got out from under it.
In fact, about a dozen people, we think, got video of it.
Bill Hamilton, Tom Taylor, Jim De La Toso, and probably others out there have assembled many of the witnesses to this, and they've assembled many of the videotapes.
There were many people who videotaped it.
And it was a dramatic object, and it was very, very large.
And in point of fact, the reports are still flooding in.
I talked to Tom Taylor this evening.
He reported to me that I believe he said they got two dozen reports just last night.
And there were reports, I believe, from the night before because we got a call from a newsman down there apprising us of the fact that there had been reports Monday night.
He wanted to know if we'd heard anything about them.
So these reports, in point of fact, are coming in from all over the country.
Back in January and February, there was a flap over New England, specifically New Hampshire.
Then there was a flap last month over Ohio, together with the flap over Arizona.
And just recently, we've been taking a spate of calls.
Last Friday, as I mentioned, there was a major sighting over Lake Tahoe in the vicinity of Reno, of course.
There was also, just prior to that, a reported landing about 50 miles north of Spokane.
Now, whether all of this translates to enhanced activity or whether people are just reporting more frequently, we never know.
But I have to say, from a qualitative standpoint, these reports are, even for a seasoned veteran ufologist, are, I think, the most reserved thing I can say is intriguing.
But it is interesting that it would be flying around.
Again, I place no particular significance on it, but I do share it with our viewers.
Again, on the issues of satellite affairs and images and so on and so forth, and particularly pilots, if people can add anything to what you and I've been talking about tonight, they should call either you or email you or give us a call on the hotline here in Seattle.
So let me ask my audience, folks, please, if you would, if you're calling for any other reason other than information on what we're talking about, the Cheyenne Mountain business, those photographs, or the Seattle sightings, or whatever might be going on tonight now, because I've got some indication there are, again, things being seen in the Tucson area.
Well, I was just looking here in my encyclopedia, and just for information, it does say that the troposphere extends from the surface of the earth to approximately five miles over the poles and ten miles over the equator.
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And this is basically where all our weather takes place.
So that kind of gives you an idea of the altitude.
I agree with this gentleman, and thank you very much for correcting us.
The troposphere is the lowest stratum in the atmosphere, and it, again, goes up to about 10 or 11 miles only.
So this object that we're talking about, Art, must have been pretty high, but relatively close to the surface, within, let's say, five to ten miles of the surface.
And again, the fact that it actually, whatever it was, cast a shadow on the Earth kind of casts doubt in my mind on the possibility that it could have been some sort of strange artifact captured by several cameras, which seems unlikely at best anyway.
You know, as you were talking, I would agree with that.
One of the things that somebody might do is capture that photograph and do a little enhancement analysis with a computer to see if the object, in fact, casts a shadow which can be detected.
Because the sun is coming up at that hour.
The object is fairly high.
It should cast a fairly long shadow on the clouds below it, which might be detectable with computer enhancement.
Peter and I both noticed it, but we have not referenced it because do you agree, caller, that the optical photograph, though in a slightly different scale, shows the same object that is pictured in the infrared photograph?
Again, he was I won't I won't emphasize this, but this gentleman sounded flummoxed by this object.
He said that the people in their facility had no explanation for it that he was aware of.
And they apparently, when he and I talked, had devoted some time and perhaps some hardware to trying to figure out what this thing could be, what kind of anomaly it might be, and they could come up with nothing.
I believe he said it was the most unusual thing he's ever seen in his career.
Now, this is something that I would think NORAD would be concerned with, rather than somebody with a truck bomb or even an A-10 or something like that.
But something of this magnitude occupying that kind of airspace, now that would get NORAD's, or should get NORAD's attention, shouldn't it?
If we have an object that is roughly 20 miles each side, 50 or so miles off the coast of San Francisco, I would hope that our military would get excited and agitated over that.
Last night, about 8.25, I was out looking at Hillbob when I noticed a star coming from the direction of it, heading southeast, and it was moving at a tremendous amount of speed.
At first, I thought it was a satellite, but I got my wife, and we both started looking at it, and it was moving so fast by the time it got to us, it was straight above us, and then it started pulsating.
It was putting out a very, very bright light, and we watched it until it went over the horizon.
It moved so fast that I've never seen nothing as fast as that.
I would say the level of activity is significantly higher, but again, the amount of activity may not be significant because, for example, we have more people outside now looking at Hailbop.
That could translate to the fact that more people are seeing more things simply because they're out of doors, of course.
One thing I am very comfortable in saying, however, Art, is the quality of the reports is it causes me to sit up and sit on the edge of my seat because we are taking reports of discrete, palpable, visible objects that are doing things that no terrestrial aircraft that I am aware of should be able to do.
For example, just about a week and a half or two weeks ago, we took a call from Orangeburg, South Carolina.
That's east and a little bit north of Charleston, South Carolina.
A pilot, his wife, his mother-in-law were returning to Charleston from dinner.
They were on Route 17, the coastal route, and he said they saw two objects coming directly at them.
They passed directly over their car.
He said he got an excellent view of them through the sunroof, I think he said.
And he said they were the most bizarre objects he's ever even imagined in his life.
I think that I'm going to ask you to stay on for a little bit because we bring Los Angeles and San Francisco online at the top of the hour.
And I would like to briefly roll over this material one more time and use the period during the break here to screen a few calls and see if we can find people who have good solid information on any of this for us.
Please, unless you have information on what's going on at Cheyenne Mountain NORAD or the photographs we've got posted on our website right now, anomalous photographs that appear to be quite inexplicable, please do not call.
If you do have good, hard information on that or the Arizona sightings, then pick up a telephone by all means and give us a call.
We'll be right back with Peter Davenport from Seattle.
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Now, my understanding of NORAD, and I may be corrected shortly, is that it concerns itself with things in space and strategic matters.
In other words, incoming ICBMs, that kind of awful scenario.
They've gone to a higher stage of alert.
CNN reported that they say it is not connected to the stolen or crashed A-10, that it is not connected to the coming anniversary of Waco on the 19th.
I'm going to ask Peter one more time to explain a conversation, Peter Davenport, that he had with a government employee.
We're not going to identify this person so as not to get them in trouble about two photographs now posted on my website, very anomalous photographs that would appear to show a very large object, so large that it makes it hard to talk about, frankly.
But let us, once again, if you wouldn't mind, Peter, sorry to retrench, but tell everybody about your conversation with this man.
And even for those people who may have heard the recounting of it the first time, they can test me and see whether I do an accurate job of it the second time.
About 12.30 this yesterday morning or yesterday afternoon, that makes it the 16th of April, I took a call from a gentleman who is a federal employee in a technical position.
He called to report essentially two things.
One, he had taken a report from a pilot who I believe had been flying in the vicinity of California last night, who had seen something that he wanted to report to the UFO Center.
No, if he did, I did not pick up on it or I don't remember it.
Number two, this individual called to inquire whether we had been apprised yet of the very peculiar object which apparently had been captured in an image taken by a U.S. Navy or National Weather Service weather satellite in geosynchronous orbit, I presume.
An object which I immediately went to the internet and pulled down the image, and I was flabbergasted by what I was looking at.
I cannot guarantee that this is not some kind of unusual error in the system or something like that.
But what people will see on your website, it's also on our website, Art, is an essentially a square object with a white fringe on the western edge of it.
That makes it very interesting since the sun is rising in the east, of course.
I have not seen the shadow, but again, I think somebody might be able to analyze that image with computer enhancement and answer whether there is a shadow or not.
The shadow issue is something that I have proposed.
It would be interesting to analyze the photo or the image and find out whether it is casting a shadow.
Since the sun is coming up in the east at the time of the photograph, it seems to me that a shadow should be evident if it's as high as this individual proposed appears to be.
And the individual said that they had done an analysis of the temperature of the object.
Apparently, from satellites, you can distinguish between one and two degrees of centigrade, temperature degrees centigrade with a satellite.
And they have done this with this object.
They've done apparently all sorts of analysis to it that I couldn't begin to recount.
I'm just not familiar with that field.
And they had been working on it all morning to try to establish whether it was some kind of error in the system or hoax or what have you.
And as you point out, this individual did report to us that all five cameras aboard the satellite had photographed essentially the same thing in different frequencies.
Radar, infrared, visible, and two other spectrums.
I have a friend who is affiliated with NORAD through the military, an ex-Air Force buddy of mine.
I'm no longer in.
He still is.
And we regularly talk about different things that are going on in the world and the U.S.
And we just had a conversation this evening.
I asked him what his speculation was on the A-10 situation, and he said he doesn't know either way, and he hasn't been briefed either way intelligence-wise.
But what did come up is, and this is what prompted my call.
He says that he had heard that Cheyenne was on a heightened state of alert because of a bomb threat.
And I said, well, that's what they're telling you, that it's the same hype we're hearing in the media.
And even their inside people that are located in remote locations, not at Cheyenne Mountain, but their outside locations are being told that that's why the heightened state of alert.
I don't know if I believe it personally, but that's what even their controllers are being told.
During the tours, though, they do state that when they built the facility, they put it on the equivalent of gigantic shock absorbers that are supposed to withstand up to a five-megaton nuclear blast.
Substantially less than, say, even an A-10 crashing into it or dropping 500-pound bombs, or the best terrorist bomb, short of nuclear, that a terrorist could possibly even cook up.
Peterson Air Force Base itself is the actual headquarters of the U.S. Space Command, and they work hand in hand with NORAD as far as air defense, that type of thing.
And I find it interesting that nothing's being said whatsoever about Peterson.
And if there's the big scare at the federal facilities about a two-year anniversary bombing, why isn't Peterson also being put on alert?
I am not a specialist in these matters, so all I can do is conjecture.
But as this gentleman was just speaking, he stimulated a thought in my mind, and that is it makes me wonder whether something might be going on inside the mountain already, something that would cause them to lock it down until they get that situation resolved inside the mountain in view of this unfortunate situation with the A-10.
I don't think we know enough about what may be going on to really pass judgment, but we've been addressing the possibility of an external threat.
As good as a speculation as any, and I should remind the audience at this point, we are speculating with very little information.
We do have some photographs that perhaps nobody else has right now.
And the photographs, respectively, by the way, one came from a Navy military site, and the other came from the Washington Educational Site, the infrared photograph.
So they're up on the website now.
You take a look and let us know what you think.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport and Art Bell.
Well, it was kind of like, you know, like when we're getting ready to go to war and they upgrade around here ahead of time and there's a lot of activity.
Well, I would say that it's about the same as those types of movements.
One thing I would like to know from that gentleman or anybody else who might be in a position to tell us either about the Whidby base or any other base around the country is whether aircraft are coming in or whether aircraft which are stationed at these military facilities might be departing.
That is, leaving their bases and perhaps going out to peripheral bases for deployment or something along those lines.
I have a general question I would like to ask you, Peter.
And we'll see if you can answer this or are willing to even try.
And I don't blame you if you don't.
It goes to what we would be told.
Peter, if there was an anomalous object out there, as this GOES-9 satellite seems to have shown, of that size, that giant size, or if there was an external threat,
either one of which I would assume would get NORAD's attention, in your opinion, would we be told what was going on, or would we get some sort of story about some kind of terrorist threat?
I am pleased to be able to respond to that question because I have to say, over the last six months, I've been roundly disappointed by the feedback we've gotten from the military.
Now, I do recognize that members of the military take orders from civilians.
That is a relationship that I frankly support to the hilt.
And we've tried to get information out of Peterson Air Force Base, both the Space Command and NORAD.
And I have to say, I was roundly disappointed by not only what we didn't get, but how we were treated.
It could have been done vastly differently, and we were being handled by the public relations office there.
And I don't want to criticize these people too badly, but they really couldn't help us with three.
All we wanted to know is what the three satellites were that were flying in formation over the United States.
The Canadians discovered it.
There was a very skilled astronomer up in Canada who answered this question for the Canadians, but the U.S. military would not answer our question on that point.
And yet, I guess I understand that if something big was going on, they wouldn't want to panic anybody, whether it was strategic or something apparently from space.
They wouldn't want to panic anybody.
So they would tell us some sort of little cover story, much like the one we're hearing right now about domestic terrorism.
It's just very hard to buy wherein Cheyenne Mountain and NORAD are concerned.
All right, Peter, hold on, and we'll be right back to you.
So a lot of high strangeness tonight that may turn out to be explained very easily.
But at this moment, the answer is not.
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I have never actually been inside Cheyenne Mountain.
However, I served in an installation similar to it.
And it is hardened completely against any nuclear attack.
The buildings are actually shock-mounted.
Once you're inside it, and it has the ability to seal itself off completely from the outside, including electrical, water, food, communications, anything like that.
It would be virtually impossible to cut it off from the outside.
An A-10 attack or even a terrorist attack, it would be impervious to that once the blast doors are closed and they're completely sealed off.
The pictures that we're showing tonight, nonwithstanding, the alert status of NORAD could be an attempt to draw attention away from the Air Force's failure to locate the A-10.
He says, I mean, after all, would they so publicly announce, and this is interesting, would they so publicly announce a heightened alert status at Cheyenne and NORAD?
I rather believe that if they were really worried, the tighter security precautions would be implemented without telling anybody about it.
And Bill and I have been on the internet tonight, and he just sent me an email concerning the Cheyenne Mountain and Peterson Air Force Base, which is a space command.
The theory out there is, and I'll forward the email to you.
But for brevity here, the theory is right now that the security increase, which now prohibits all civilian and military tours and visits to Cheyenne Mountain and Peterson Air Force Base, Space Command, requires 100% photo ID, personal verification to staff identity before entry.
Maybe due to recognition that Button, referring to the pilot of the A-10, might have dropped his bombs to lighten the A-10 and extend its range into southern Wyoming or eastern Utah, where he had some, quote, prearranged, and quote, landing spot set up.
This from today's Denver Post, and that's from Bill Septeme over in Vale.
He drives a milk tank truck between Riverside here and Arizona, and he leaves in the afternoon, so he's out there during the night, and he gets home about three or four in the morning.
He said then two of them disappeared, and then the other three disappeared, and then they all came back on.
And when they came back on, they shot, he couldn't see the beam, but he said he looked to the right up on the mountain range, and there was a huge circle, like a great big red spotlight of infrared light.
They came back on again, the white lights in the sky, and then the two that were furthest from him shot off to the left, and then the other three just went out.
But what blew me away was when Peter was talking about the red spotlights that had been sighted, and I just thought, oh, and there was also a lot of bombers coming into the Marine Base down there tonight that was not there last night.
In fact, I'd like to put out an appeal to anybody who may live in the vicinity of a military base to keep their eyes open.
If they see what they think is unusual activity, make a record of it, the time, the type of aircraft, what condition the aircraft are in, whether they're carrying weapons or have pylons on their wings and so on.
We need hard information more than just rumors and surmise.
They normally don't attract my attention, but I noticed them on three different stations.
And there was a crawl on one that said that this was required by the FCC, and it was a coordinated test by all the local stations, and it was conducted monthly.
Well, I keep a pretty good close eye on the television, and it's been ages since I saw one of those tests.
I don't think they're conducted on a monthly basis.
Simply more likely to be seen in rural areas because there is less light and there's more reason to look up than there is when you're in the city where you're concerned with what's right in front of you.
Peter, your source told you there was how much temperature difference could they measure between this object and the water or the surrounding air or however they do it.
My impression was, I don't remember the exact figures.
He gave me a lot of information, and I didn't tape record his description, but my impression was it was a significant difference between the skin temperature of the object and what they knew to be the temperature of the surrounding area at that altitude in the troposphere.
So there was no question in his mind but what this was a warm object.
And that gentleman who just called, if he would like to share his work, I would invite him to send copies of that to you, Art, so you can put it on your website.
We would certainly welcome anything he might be able to send to us as well to be able to take a look at it.
If he can do enhancement work, also, one thing I'd invite him to do, sounds like he has some technical expertise, is look for a shadow around either one of the objects.
Just in closing, I would point out that, you know, if it were not for programs like yours, Dreamland and Coast to Coast, I don't know how this word would get out that way at these events.
I've been to the press and tried to give them these facts.
There are military photographs of objects impossibly large off the coast of California.
Reports of military activity.
NORAD is on alert, ostensibly because of a terrorist threat, it is most widely thought, which seems not a satisfactory explanation for why NORAD and Cheyenne Mountain, hardened to be able to take a direct nuclear hit, would be concerned about, let us say, a stray A-10 or even a person with a bomb in a truck.
If you want to see the photographs in question that we've been discussing with Peter Davenport, they're on my website at www.artbell.com.
These photographs were not taken by an amateur, but rather by the GOES-9 satellite.
Very briefly, just before I bring Ed Dames, Major Ed Dames on from SciTech.
You weren't expecting that, were you?
Hi, Art.
As you know, they have sealed the mountain here in Colorado, and the military is on full alert here.
I live just a few blocks from Buckley Air Base here in the Denver suburb of Aurora.
Buckley is the home of the 2nd Division Space Warning Center, the receiving and tracking station for NORAD.
I am an avid military air monitor and have been monitoring Buckley most of the day.
While Buckley is normally an active base, the military air traffic in and out of here today has been nearly non-stop.
A friend advised me that he heard on G. Gordon Liddy's show that they were flying a special radar system into Buckley today.
While you can't get real close to Buckley, you don't really need to be, as you can see it from about 30 miles away.
The mountain, as we call it here in Colorado, is normally open, and once you pass the guard station, you could drive right into the mountain to the blast door.
Once it is sealed, nobody gets in or out.
So that's from Michael Curta, who is the Colorado MUFON State Director.
Now, a bit of a surprise for you.
Here from California is Major Ed Dames, SciTech's Ed Dames, a remote viewer, and I think most of you should be familiar with him and his work.
We broke away from a couple of our operations that we're running, in-house operations, to take a look at this A-10.
We thought it would be a good break in the action.
So we ran four professional remote viewing sessions against it.
And our initial take is that the pilot is dead.
The airplane, he crashed his aircraft.
It is not in Colorado.
It looks like it's in the our best cut right now in terms of an interim report is that the pilot's body and the aircraft with the aircraft wreckage are in a snowy high mountain area in northeastern Arizona, not Colorado.
it looks like he may have rejected but if he did it was very low we can't It's difficult for us to separate the idea of a parachute or an ejection seat from this.
Well, this is one time, as you know, as a former scientific and technical intelligence officer at the Office of Secretary of Defense levels, very high levels.
My job during wartime was to leave the continental United States and be by the theater commanders at FORSAR Commander during combat operations in case there was something surprising on either the tactical or the strategic battlefield.
And in that case, it would be my responsibility to discern, to use operations research and systems analysis techniques combined with prior intelligence to identify what was killing our systems or our soldiers and airmen on the battlefield.
So I've seen many things that are very, very classified.
And I actually, this is the one time, I think, on your show where I cannot discuss what that may be, if it is what it may be.
If it is generating all of this activity at NORAD, then we have a very, very serious situation.
Now, I will at least append that statement with the following.
What might you guess would be the biggest threat to this country militarily?
The Russians were no slups when it came to military technology, as you know.
Yes, they lost the economic war, but they did not by any means lose the strategic war.
In fact, some of their military capabilities were extremely brilliant.
The SS-18 is a good case in point, one of the best ICBMs ever made, was one of the most formidable threats to this country until the end of the Cold War.
But the Soviets had their own SDI program, or really, a response to our SDI program.
And those kinds of things, if they were implemented, would be very secret and might look very, very different than anything one might think an SDI system would look like.
It might not be an anti-ballistic missile system that used anti-ballistic missiles.
It's more dangerous than it was during the mutually assured destruction period in many ways.
And for continuity of government purposes, you'd still, in order to have a country left after a possible war, you'd have to have a command structure, command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence.
All of those things are in very deep bunkers, similar to Cheyenne Mountain.
I'm going to ask you the same question that I asked Peter Davenport, and that is if something really was going on, whatever in the hell it would be, that would cause this alert, would the American public be told the truth?
It's now been many hours that this alert has been in progress.
I began hearing about it early afternoon.
I don't know when it actually began, but I have received no information that it has been canceled.
So this has been going on for conservatively for twelve hours now.
Isn't that quite a while?
In other words, if they had evaluated something as a hoax or a misstep that caused an alert, shouldn't they have evaluated that by now and be out of alert status?
We haven't shifted our fire, so to speak, onto this aspect right now.
But I will say that the only thing that my guess would be, the only thing that would be serious enough to for the kind of reaction that you're describing, if it's correct, would be in response to a possible boomer or boomers out in the deep seas somewhere.
You have to be ready, because if something pops out of the water, you've got to be able to nail that.
You must be able to nail it before it actually goes ballistic.
Once it goes ballistic and it's coming down into the atmosphere over the USA, it may not be too late, but the odds of nailing that bugger are pretty slim.
Those are all strategic operations data, and I just can't go into those details.
But it's you have to be able to know where a launch is projected first.
And as long as you have as long as you can see through the water or you can predict where a boomer will be, you're in much better shape.
But if you don't know where that boomer is, or if it's parked somewhere very quietly, the way that submarines are so wanted to do these ways at the bottom of some sea trench somewhere, then you may be in trouble.
Why would we have been on, are we under an alert status for, well, now in excess, I know, personally, of 12 hours when they began announcing it about this time, actually, on CNN.
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from April 16, 1997.
Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 16th of April, 1997.
In a moment, the assistant state director for Move On in Arizona, Bill Hamilton, he's the guy who got the good footage of the stuff going on over Arizona.
You know, all those flares.
Bill Hamilton, coming up in a moment, who just sent me a fax which says, we have had sightings south of here near Chandler and College, I think it's C-O-L-L-I-D-G-E College on the night of April 14th.
There was a sighting in Tucson, April 12th.
A UFO chased by jets going west.
Last night at about 9.30, there was a sighting over South Mountain in Phoenix.
We've had reports in Arizona of stepped-up military activity and military alerts.
Don't know why.
The sighting reports have been coming in nearly every night since last weekend.
bill hamilton he'll be here in a moment here from phoenix arizona is bill hamilton
And Bill, I had a caller a little while ago who said, you know, this whole UFO thing.
Oh, it's yeah, it's pretty high over the entire Valley of the Sun.
There must be a couple of million.
And let me clarify something going back to March 13th.
Okay, on that particular night, I received a telephone call to come check out a report of sightings over the Gila River Indian Reservation by a man named Steve.
And he was seeing these intensely bright yellow-orange globes or orbs, as I like to call them, just in front of the Estrella Mountain.
Now, when I went down there, I went down there with Tom King, and Tom King has taken quite a bit of video footage of UFOs in this area.
And it just so happens that on that particular night, my video cam battery failed.
So it was a good thing that Tom King was ready with his video cam, and he got a little over four minutes of footage of these orbs as we watched them go on from left to right and extinguish in the reverse sequence.
Now, this is what I have put together on all of these events that night.
At least four different events.
And that's the event I call event three.
It happened around 10 o'clock that night.
The first event, which occurred sometime between 8:15 and 8.30, were these lights that Peter Davenport was talking about.
And various people, I think one of my witnesses, which is living in the Glendale area, which is in the northwest end of the valley, saw this formation of seven lights, and it was huge.
And he saw it coming in from the northwest, and it was traveling toward the southeast, and it was at low level.
And as he said, it was traveling at blimp speed, and it wasn't making any sound.
In fact, we had experts in demolitions and flares who had seen this object.
And they said, no way were these flares.
This was an extremely large.
Well, some people were confused as to whether it was one object or a formation of objects because one of the lights seemed to move back and forth.
But here's the interesting thing.
By the time this formation got down to a location in Chandler and it was moving at very low altitude there, one of the interesting descriptions was it passed between the observer and the moon, and he could see the moon turning yellow as if there was something kind of translucent there.
Now there was a second event that happened maybe 15 minutes later, which is your big dark triangle that came down.
And one woman was so amazed and so excited by this.
She lives in Mesa that she just couldn't stop talking to me over the phone about it, about how huge it was, how fast it was, and how silent it was.
But it wasn't she saw it traveling dark without lights.
But a little bit later on, a witness in Chandler saw a number of lights on this triangle, and one of the lights detached and deployed into the environment and came back and redocked with this object.
And these objects were described to me as much, much larger than jumbo jets if they were seen on an approach, let's say into our Sky Harbor airport.
Now, event number three were these what we took to be these globes or orbs of light over the Estrella Mountains.
And event number four didn't come out till later.
And we have this truck driver who said he followed these lights for two hours coming down Interstate 17, and he saw them on the west side of the valley, and he was delivering a load to one of his plants, which was near Luke Air Force Base.
And he arrived there around 10 o'clock, and he saw these objects, which he described to look like these huge hot air balloons without the gondolas below them.
And they were illuminated, and they had these pulsing red rings of light on them.
And at that moment, he said he heard the roar of jet aircraft, and he turned to look, and he watched two F-16s with afterburners on taking off to the north, followed by a third one, and they banked and turned, and they vectored in on the closest object.
And as they did so, that object shot straight up and out of sight.
We started putting this out over the net, and we started putting our email contact over the net, and we started getting a flood of email from all over the world.
I got email from people living in Australia who said the orbs you described are exactly what we're seeing.
We got e-mail from people in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and even Canada, who said our description matched their description.
South of us, there is military activity, some very strange things that are going on.
Tom King is spaking out a military operations area that's way south of here, and I've also been in touch with people in Tucson who tell me there's a high state of military activity going on down there as well as some kind of an alert stack.
Now, I don't know if that's true, but I need to check on that.
I assume you've been listening to the program tonight.
Yeah.
And we've got these photographs, one optical and one infrared, of an object off the coast of California that, according to a military fellow who was responsible for receiving these photographs, was real and very extremely large.
I don't know if you've had an opportunity to see the photographs yet.
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Yes, I've been out to the website and looked at them.
Now, I'm just a talk show host, and I don't even know a lot about NORAD and what provokes it, but I understand they are concerned with matters of space and strategic matters, whether they be submarines or strategic launches from somewhere in the world that would get to us.
Now, I can imagine they would be much more concerned with an object like we apparently have photographs of here than they would be about some guy with a truck bomb, for example.
Would it be your feeling, Bill, that if something serious was going on, which it must be for this alert to be going on, that we would be told the truth about the reason for the alert?
Well, this is very interesting because one of the producers from Strange Universe contacted a colonel out at Luke Air Force Base, and he was trying to give the story that some crazy pilot was up there with a light rig, and he was maneuvering his plane between radar coverages.
So the very next day, Tom King called Luke out there, and the story he got, eventually he talked to a colonel as well, was as far as they were concerned, these lights that were being reported above Phoenix remain unidentified and that MUFON was investigating it and they had nothing to do with it.
That's Bill Hamilton, folks, and Bill is the assistant MUFON Director for the state of Arizona.
So I guess the next feat is going to be asking you, and we're going to go to open lines here shortly, what the hell you think.
I mean, with all that's going on, speculation is going to be rampant, and that's really all we can do.
That's all I can do.
I have no idea how to correlate all of this information.
It's kind of like my book.
The Quickening, this book I've written, pulls together all kinds of information and condenses it into proof positive that what I say is in fact going on and what you're hearing tonight is sure as hell part of it.
Events are accelerating toward something.
And this is part of it.
It's a very important book.
It's going to cause a lot of trouble when it gets out there.
It is.
I was informed earlier today by my publisher.
We're now three-quarters of the way.
I may have said half earlier, if I did, I'm sorry.
Three-quarters of the way through our first print run.
And who is it who said news doesn't break in the middle of the night, and so it's cool if we want to run repeats of daytime shows?
Who said that?
Man, oh man, sometimes I can't even keep up with it all.
Welcome to Live Overnight Talk Radio.
And I guess I would join with Tim and Denver yesterday, who suggested that you take a moment out of your day, perhaps later today, to call whatever affiliate you're listening to, whatever station, and thank them for carrying the show.
It really does wonders, as a matter of fact, when you do that.
And you should be polite and just say thank you very much.
It's one we enjoy, or we hate his guts.
You know, whatever you want to say, call your local affiliate and make a comment.
Whoever your local affiliate is.
This will appear in today's New York Times in hours, or probably is on the street already.
Cheyenne Mountaineer Station, Colorado.
Commanders at the North American Aerospace Defense Command maintained tighter security today, but said they may have, now listen, overestimated a threat of attack against the missile tracking center.
Public tours of the man-made cavern deep inside Cheyenne Mountain, nerve center of the U.S. and Canadian air defense and space surveillance, were suspended Wednesday.
Additional security barriers installed outside.
The Cheyenne Mountain commander, U.S. Air Force Major General Jeff Grime, said in an interview inside the complex that an intelligence warning had prompted him to tighten security even though the threat was not immediate nor clear-cut.
He said, quote, you've got to take prudent actions, end quote, even if you err on the side of caution.
Said this after ordering the heightened security, which included starting a 24-hour security watch at a secondary entrance to the mountain complex that normally is monitored only by video cameras and other electronic sensors.
Quote, we had specific information that we are still watching, Grime said.
He would not describe the information any more precisely than that, but said it did not indicate that any of the several other major military sites in the area were threatened.
I'm trying to digest what it could possibly have been that would cause this domestic terrorist threat.
Boy, what are we doing?
Just warming up for the 19th or what?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hello.
This is Mary calling you from Seattle.
Something Seismic Occurred00:15:44
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I just had a couple of things.
First, you remember about a half an hour ago, a gentleman called from the same area, and his newscast about the Como story was correct, the one he said up.
Look, we don't know that this is not some strange atmospheric artifact or something.
I don't know what those photographs show.
They show something.
That's all I know.
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And as I recall, it's been a long time since we heard that November program, but as I recall, he and Whitley and Pudence had said something about that in April there were going to be some spaceships coming by, and it would waken the world up to the fact that they exist.
And one would be quite large.
Whitley probably would remember it better than I do.
Should this come under the category of be careful what you wish for?
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Well, I guess you're right there.
Now, this could be, or it could not be, or it might have been something coming anyway, but it seems to me that, and I'm a fond believer in a joined power together will bring results.
I hope it's good, but I rather think that it is not.
The sightings, so far, no big deal.
Of course, we're just people who see things in the sky.
We are not NORAD.
Now, NORAD may be reacting in a very different way with very much different information than we are privy to, but the caller is right, and I want to caution you all.
What you're going to hear, other than what I've had in terms of hard information this morning, and I've reached out to get as much as I could, the rest of it is going to be speculation, and there's really nothing else one can do.
And about four years ago, he took a position where he told the family, all he told us was he would contact us once or twice a year just to let us know that he was okay.
My wife got a very strange phone call from him this afternoon, early this afternoon, probably about 1.30.
Also, this year, we're having the biggest air show in history on Saturday the 19th.
Now, what is very odd is with this ATN been missing, and we're having an air show, you know, which to say this thing can't just come by, and people think we're going to draw well over a million people within a three-mile radius.
And, you know, that'd be a hell of a statement for somebody to make, you know, just for the ATN just to come in and blend in with the air show.
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And, you know, I hate to say it, but I mean, if they found this ATN, that would be fine.
I mean, everything would, you know, that wouldn't be a threat.
And I just wanted to say that I heard on our local news, they said that NORAD, since it was built in like the 1960s, had never gone to DEF CON 4 before.
Things beginning to move faster and faster at an exponential rate.
Yes, I know you can.
Hello, Art.
I thought you might find this interesting.
Bruce listening in Denver says, I've been attempting to get a radar picture from stations along the West Coast over the Internet.
Every radar site that I tried said radar data temporarily unavailable.
Site I was trying were on the Weather Channel website.
Usually I have no problem getting an up-to-date radar image, but tonight, nothing is working.
I've not tried other sites in the U.S. yet.
I'm going to do that now, but I thought that you might want to know about this.
So I dropped you, I dropped offline to let you know.
Thank you, Bruce.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
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Hi, Art.
This is Pat from Fort Worth.
Hi, Pat.
I don't want to say that I know for sure, but I perceive, as Paul said in the book of Acts, that something is going to happen very bad to this country.
And I think it is this weekend.
Why do you think it is this weekend?
Because on the 23rd of March, I heard these words when I was waking up.
I heard myself telling this woman in 27 days she was going to die.
And I didn't think a whole lot about it.
And my husband was sick, and he didn't think about it either.
But I just found this note, and I didn't even realize this because we had been sick.
But on the 26th, I heard, and we let this thing fall on us.
And so then we figured out what 27 days was.
And it is this weekend.
You know, I don't know if you should count that day or the next day or how you should do it.
I'd like to also corroborate the woman's call from the Seattle area that I heard on the news, too, that the military was fairly certain that they've located the wreckage.
Then the last break, the ABC news said that the Air Force was virtually certain that the A-10 crashed into the Colorado Mountains.
And they also detected seismic activity in that region that would help pinpoint the exact time of the wreck.
It's like they're just going to let us, you know, I would really like to be with my children.
And another thing, I had a theory that one of the reasons why I don't think that the government would warn us is because maybe they feel that it would be a merciful act not to.
It's just that I have concluded over the years that if something like that did come along, for whatever reasons they would have, they would not warn us.
I don't see how anybody could listen to this program, or for that matter, any other that gets into this kind of material without realizing, or even the mainstream news, without realizing that things are, as you put it, askew.
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And you know, the most interesting thing is it's not one guest.
Well, there are a lot of agencies flying those kind of helicopters about, sir.
I have yet to hear of anybody getting mowed down by one, collected and taken away by one, harmed by one, or in any way hurt.
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I agree.
The only weirdest thing that happened was I saw one land last summer in a middle of a downtown type residential area, which was just the weirdest thing.
Well, I'm not sure how much difference there is between automatic writing and channeling.
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I don't know either.
But that was how they put it.
And she wrote a book called Dialogue with the Devil.
And she referred to the book of Joel in the coming Holocaust.
And he specifically asked her to identify the soup of people who are to be instrumental in bringing about this disaster.
And she answered, quote, they will clearly have come from another planet as the time appointed when the long-suffering Lord finally says, I have allowed you silly people to go so far and no more, end quote.
Well, I suppose, in a sense, even an attack, futile though it might be in terms of actually causing damage, would be symbolically important.
Very true.
I appreciate your call.
Now, there is that to consider.
In other words, even though real damage, I think all of us agree, really couldn't be done by anybody with terror on their mind, it is reasonable to conclude that somebody might think about the symbology of such an attack.
Just as on the Murrow Federal building, the bomb symbolically went off in the middle of America's heartland, an area where you would least expect it.
And she used to, I don't know, she told me that she used to decipher codes and stuff like that.
I don't know, military stuff.
And ever since I was talking to you, or not talking to you, but listening to you, about UFOs and stuff, I asked her about that.
And she never really came out and told me one way or the other because she was like, well, you know, I took an oath, you know, not to disclose any of the stuff that we learned.