Elizabeth Clare Prophet, a mystic and spiritual teacher, shares childhood memories of past-life experiences in Egypt (325 A.D.) and ties reincarnation to Jesus’ teachings suppressed at the Council of Nicaea by Constantine. She argues karma isn’t endless but resolved through love and divine energy like the violet flame, dismissing cults while advocating free will. Reincarnation, she claims, replaces capital punishment—offenders return as babies to face consequences—contrasting with fundamentalist views on absolution. Prophet defends Montana’s bison culling for disease control and nuclear preparedness via personal Second Amendment rights. Callers debate her blend of mysticism and Christianity, citing texts like the Dead Sea Scrolls, while Art Bell underscores her optimism over prophecy, warning media sensationalism distorts reality. The episode ties spiritual awakening to global chaos, urging listeners to reject fatalism and embrace divine alignment amid accelerating crises. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
I bid you all good evening.
Good morning, as the case may be, across whatever time zone you reside in.
From the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Good morning out there.
South into South America.
North all the way to the Pole.
And of course, worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast.
And good morning, I'm Mark Bell.
Coming up in a moment, Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
An interview I've been waiting a long time for.
It is a rare opportunity for you to hear Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
She doesn't do a lot of interviews.
And we'll talk about that.
So we'll get to Elizabeth Clare Proffitt in a moment.
Elizabeth Clare Proffitt Now, Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
She is a mystic, writer, lecturer, and spiritual teacher.
But first and foremost, she is a messenger for enlightened spiritual beings called Ascended Masters.
As a messenger, she is both spokesman and scribe, speaks and writes down the words of the masters.
In this role, she has recorded some of the world's most beautiful and profound spiritual teachings.
The vast body of work she has produced includes more than 1,800 messages, or if you wish, dictations, that come through the agency of the Holy Spirit from various ascended masters, archangels, and other advanced spiritual beings.
She and her late husband, Mark L. Prophet, have published more than 75 books, wow, on the teachings of the ascended masters.
These include the bestsellers, St. Germain on Alchemy, The Human Aura, The Lost Years of Jesus, and The Lost Teachings of Jesus.
And I have much more I could read about Elizabeth, but instead I will simply go to her.
Elizabeth, Claire Prophet, welcome to the program.
And there I was, four years old, still, but I was in a different life.
And I knew I was in a different life.
And there were people around me.
There was a governess or an attendant.
And I was slipping the sand through my fingers.
And after I was there for a while and got a hold of where I was and what I was doing, I came back, almost on those clouds, back to my play yard, back to my sandbox.
And when I collected myself, I ran up to the back door and I called my mother and I said, this is what has happened to me.
Please explain it to me.
What did happen to me?
And because I had a wise mother, she did not deny me.
She told me, in very simple terms, that I had remembered a past life.
So that was the beginning of my understanding that I had a mission.
3,300 years before, I had lived in Egypt in that life at the time of Ikhenaten.
And I recalled it, and I also saw very clearly in Mark Prophet, my late husband, the very same profile of Ikhenaten.
Well, I then decided, well, I have to find a church.
I have to find out about God.
I have to find out what Jesus wants me to do because I know I have a mission in this life.
And so I went to every church in town and I found that much of what was being said was like a milk soft.
It really wasn't getting to the core of inner communion with God as a mystical path, as something we live every day of our lives.
And I was finding a Christianity that I knew was not right.
I knew in my own heart that Jesus taught the mysteries and that he gave them to the inner circle and then to the wider circle of the other 70.
And that somehow world religion today or Protestantism and Christianity itself, Catholicism, were simply not willing to tell the truth about the message of Jesus Christ.
And it became a fire that would burn in me that I could not put out.
I had to follow that fire until I would have all the answers.
As they recrafted Christianity and stripped out everything that was wonderful about Jesus Christ and the saints, they wound up with the theory of reincarnation that was kind of a leftover.
And what happened was they realized that they would never be able to control their followers if they retained reincarnation.
So they threw it out.
They absolutely threw it out because they wanted people to know that they only had one life, one chance to make it.
They'd either go to heaven or hell.
And if they had left the people to reincarnation, they can say, well, we won't go to church in this life.
Constantine thought it would be a good idea to consolidate Christianity, and he was convinced by everyone else that reincarnation could not be left in because then you could not control the people.
So their theory was the way you get to heaven is through the church, when in reality, what Jesus taught us, we get to heaven through the flame, the eternal flame of God that burns on the altar of our individual heart.
And Origen of Alexandria and many very sharp people were not able to undo this.
So Nicaea led inevitably to the rejection of reincarnation, since reincarnation goes along with the idea that salvation is a matter of individual effort rather than status in the church.
I think the best evidence comes to us when God sends an angel to us because we are ready to receive an understanding that we've had a recent past life.
And that angel opens that past life to us and says, oh, okay, these are the good things you did in that life and you've made a lot of progress in your field, etc., etc.
But these are the other things, the negatives, that are not so good.
So the angel comes to warn you, get on the track of love because love is the fulfilling of the whole law and move on with your life.
There has been, though, impressive evidence rendered by a lot of studies, you know, done by clinicians with regressive therapy and taking people back into prior lives.
There are a lot of obvious questions about reincarnation, and I guess they're answered by karma, but I've never fully understood them.
For example, it seems as though people in this life, a lot of them, the bad guys, get to live long, luxurious, wealthy lives, and a lot of poor people who are do-gooders seem to suffer, and they are the poor and the starving all over the world.
And what we are doing and what we are seeing is we are reaping the good and the bad of our past lives.
And we are sowing again, hopefully, for a better harvest.
And because we do not see that these power people themselves have a tremendously heavy karma and that God is dealing with them, then we begin to feel, well, God is unjust.
Whereas if you take the poor people in the world who have nothing, they have a certain karma that they are working through also.
And We can help them by our love by sending them food, clothing, and so forth.
I mean, we are here to help the poor.
And we have to realize that this power elite, a certain part of it, is not even the type of people that most people are on earth.
These are powerful beings that are fallen angels that move on the left side, the left side of the coin, if you will have it.
And they come to an end.
And that's why John the Baptist went out into the wilderness and called them a generation of vipers who hath warned you to come out here when you have done all these evil wrongs.
So John the Baptist was challenging them all the way.
But what the children of God have to become is sons of God and to look for the empowerment of God to ultimately challenge these fallen ones who move in our midst to control the monies of our institutions, of our countries, and do manipulate society.
no i meant on a spiritual plane in other words you you mentioned i No, just a very strong present conflict between whatever it is that creates evil now on Earth and our Creator.
It seems like there's a war going on, and I sometimes think the dark forces are winning.
I wrote a book, and I'll just briefly tell you about it and see if I can get a comment from you.
It's called The Quickening, Elizabeth, and I've spent about 13 years in this incarnation of this radio show.
And during that time, every day, religiously, I study the news.
And I have noticed over the last decade or so that events in every single area of human endeavor, social, political, geophysical, economic, in every endeavor of human activity, events appear to be accelerating at an exponential rate.
And I just called it the quickening.
It's just a name I gave to it.
But it seems to me that we are headed for an event.
I am not a prophet, and I don't know what that event would be, but I see us racing toward something at an ever-increasing speed.
We move in cycles, so we are at the conclusion of the Piscean Age.
The cycles are approximately 2,150 years.
And, for instance, during the age of Pisces, we have reincarnated again and again.
And some of us have sown well and reaped well, and others of us have gotten into all kinds of different practices in the Middle Ages of witchcraft, black magic, and so forth.
What's happening is when you come to the end of an age, there is a recompense.
And all of us who have been in the age of Pisces need to balance the karma we made in that age, the good karma and the bad karma.
And if we come out on top with more good karma than bad karma, that's good.
But many times, because people do not have real spiritual teachers, they don't have guides, they don't have prophets, and the dark ages descend, the people do not know the way to go.
And so we find ourselves making karma when we should be balancing karma.
So the karma of the Piscean Age has fallen due, and it is accelerated, and it is coiling down into the physical plane.
It started out in the etheric level, then it goes to the mental belt, then it goes to the desire body of the earth, and then it finally hits the earth body itself.
And that's when diseases come about, all kinds of wars, all kinds of tornadoes, hurricanes, upheavals, deaths, all kinds of strange things start happening because individual karma is being visited upon each one of us.
I've got a kind of a favorite analogy, maybe not a very good one, but I think an accurate one.
There was a time in this country when if somebody wanted to rob a little 7-Eleven or a convenience store, you know, they'd go in with a gun and say, give me your money.
And they'd put it in the bag and back out the door, get in the car and speed away.
Today's robbery seems to include going in with a gun, saying, give me your money, and then as an afterthought on the way out, with no regard for life whatsoever, killing the guy behind the counter, then speeding off.
In other words, there has been a cheapening of life.
They have a soul, but they no longer have a functioning body.
They have a mind, but they cannot use the physical body any longer.
So the first thing they find out when they commit suicide is that they can't get anywhere.
They're stuck.
So whereas this group of individuals thought that they were going somewhere or other to a better place, they did not really know the rule or the law of suicide where I've seen it over and over and over again.
The person who commits suicide, his astral body, the part of him that is not physical, simply gets stuck there.
So what I see happening in this house as this event unfolds and takes place is that these individuals woke up to the fact after they committed suicide that they have gotten nowhere, guilt.
They're not going anywhere.
So now, as they have discovered that suicide is not the answer, they're engaged in arguing, fighting with each other.
They're not touching each other, but they are reaching a level of being absolutely furious because they've been duped and now they can't get back into their bodies.
I don't believe in Kvorkian or anybody else's reasons for suicide.
I think it's really playing with life and death.
So what we have here is a group of souls who are stuck.
If you take soul with a lowercase S, you find out that the soul that is within us and it is attached to the solar plexus chakra, actually it's attached to the seat of the soul chakra just below the solar plexus.
That is the place where the soul Resides in our bodies.
And that soul does not have immortality until that soul becomes the bride of her Holy Christ self, who is at a much higher plane.
So, as long as the soul does not have immortality because she has not balanced her karma, she is vulnerable to going through death.
So, what we want to do, what is our responsibility as people, is to protect our soul and to elevate that soul until that soul becomes the bride of Christ within us.
Then we make the step from our mortality to our immortality.
I don't know if you've heard the Blessed Mother of our Lord, but she has counseled us to pray unceasingly for souls who will die unless they come into union with God before the end of this life.
And that's part of being at the end of the age of Pisces.
Anyone can nurture the soul so that the soul then becomes a part of the reality of ourselves.
Our highest reality is the I am that I am, the manifestation of God as Moses taught us.
And then comes the mediator between that God and our lower self.
And that mediator is the Holy Christ self.
And each one of us has the Holy Christ self.
And sometimes we call that person our guardian angel.
The Holy Christ self is our mentor and teacher.
And he stays with us lifetime after lifetime after lifetime.
And when we walk and talk with him and commune with him, he teaches us profound truths.
But if we're not listening, because we have too much noise all around ourselves, then we don't hear what the angels are saying to us from inner planes and from the heaven world.
Getting back to these individuals in this mansion, loved ones should pray for them that their souls be taken out of that mansion and to a plane of existence where they can understand where they went wrong and why suicide is never acceptable in the sight of God.
They need a lot of prayers, otherwise they're going to be stuck right where they are.
The soul of the deceased is stuck wherever we are, that's where we lie, you know, in a conclusion after a fashion.
So what we're saying here is the soul is sealed in the seat of the soul chakra, and that soul must move to gain her immortality.
These individuals need to have their loved ones, and all of us pray for them to get out of this level where they are stuck and into a realm of the heaven world where they can learn what went wrong, why it went wrong, and how not to do it again the next time you have an opportunity to once again be born through a mother and have life again.
We have a community, which is a community of the Holy Spirit.
And we produce our publications and our teachings.
We have a center where we nourish our churches throughout the world.
We're located all over the world.
And we publish our books.
We nurture those who are in our centers around the world.
And it's an ongoing mission to bring the lost teachings of Jesus Christ into the Aquarian Age and to learn from St. Germain, the hierarch of the Aquarian Age, how to use the violet flame to transmute our karma.
It seems like the Piscean Age has been coming for the last 400 years.
It gets stronger and stronger and stronger.
And overlapping it is the Aquarian Age that is also coming in but has had its beginnings earlier.
So there is that overlapping when Pisces and Aquarius move together and then finally Pisces is concluded and we really feel the winds of Aquarius for what they are.
Well, the age of Aquarius will be that 2,150-year period, just as Pisces had that same figure.
And so we are entering Aquarius.
Much of what is happening right now is Aquarian in nature, such as technology, such as computers, such as all kinds of advancements in medicine.
Everywhere you look, fantastic leaps are taking place, and people are moving on to a tremendous ability in technology which goes along with the age of Aquarius.
I'm not sure that we're prepared for the moral and ethical and spiritual questions that we're going to have to struggle with to be able to do this right now, are we?
Well, my take on this is you can create a body as a clone, but you cannot create a soul.
Only God can create a soul.
Only God can endow you with the spark of eternal life.
So then, if you clone someone and there's no conscience, there's no inner threefold flame, there's no inner Holy Spirit, then who, pray tell, is this clone?
Can a clone replicate everything we've done in this life, a past life, all preceding lifetimes?
The answer is that over many thousands of years, even ten thousands of years, people have continued to reincarnate on earth.
They haven't had the world teachers, the great mentors, so they don't know how to get out of this human existence.
So they make karma.
We all make karma unless we're very fastidious about it.
We have to keep our harmony.
We have to love God, love one another.
I mean, attaining union with God is a challenge.
And so here we are with many, many people being born and then many, many people who don't attain union with God.
So now there's this weight on planet Earth of people who should have gone on in their evolutionary chain who have not gone on because they have not passed the certain test they should have passed in entering into or merging their soul with their Holy Christ self and ultimately becoming one with God and never returning again in this physical octave.
Well, it's kind of like a Fat Tuesday, I guess, where you can go out and sin to your heart's delight, and then you've got to get real religious for a while, and it's apparently forgiven.
Or sin on Saturday and confess on Sunday.
I have always had a hard time buying that concept.
Once you've committed something wrong, it seems to me expressing sorrow over that doesn't change it in the end, does it?
No, but we have a record of what happened, and St. Germain has come to our rescue with his gift of the violet flame.
And the violet flame of the Holy Spirit is actually an energy that transmutes our wrongs so that we don't have to keep carrying them.
So what I'm going to be teaching this coming weekend is how to use mantras, how to use dynamic decrees to call forth a violet flame to transmute errors that you have made.
I think all of us have known a moment in our lives when we were very unkind to someone.
We got angry, we got upset, we look back on ourselves and we say to ourselves, how could I have done this to this person?
Many of your listeners tonight may actually have someone there in their home, and they can see the aura around the person, the violet light around that person.
You've probably heard of her, but in all likelihood, you've not heard her.
This is your chance to do so.
She is Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
Coming up again in a moment.
you All right.
Back now to Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
Welcome back.
Hi there, Elizabeth.
May I ask you a little bit about the press?
Now, for a long time, you did not do interviews.
Now you're going to go back on the circuit again.
And I'm wondering how you feel in your life you have been treated by the press, local, in Montana, national, when you have said things, when you have been in the news, how would you rate your treatment by the press?
After the suicides at Rancho Santa Fe, did you review any of the material from the Heavensgate website or any of the material about what these people believed?
I peripherally looked at it, turned it over to my staff who deals with these kinds of matters that have to do with touchy subjects that would reflect on us and so forth.
And they do a really excellent job.
I have a department, a PR department, devoted to it.
Otherwise, you know, I could be called away every single day because of something somebody said in the newspaper.
I came to the conclusion as I was pondering this subject this week that these people do not have enough of the God stuff in them to be centered in that flame in the heart to remain as individuals.
It seems that at some point they gave up their independent identity and became one group who are all going to do the same thing and they're all going to go somewhere together.
It's very odd to me that highly intelligent people cannot see the folly of their doings.
And I had to conclude that they must not have spent much time meditating on the tremendous power that God has placed in the heart flame, the heart flame that beats on the altar of our heart from the time we're born to the time we leave.
That is the heart flame of God.
And when you have that, live that, walk and talk with God, you become very individualistic.
You know, you go back to the prophets and to Moses and the great lights that have come down to us.
These individuals are not going to be moved because there's 38 of them or there's 37 of them.
These people are not moved because they have a separate identity.
And these people seem to not have had a separate identity.
They saw themselves as almost like a flank of birds, you know, one whole.
Well, the lack of a separate identity is typical of the way people will describe the effect of somebody in a cult.
And of course, people have said that what you do amounts to a cult.
I'm sure you argue with that.
To me, it seems a cult, as opposed to a mainstream religion, only seems to be a difference in size.
I can't quite figure it out.
A cult is very difficult to define.
But apparently, in the classic sense, you have just suggested that these people were in a cult, that they had no separate identity, and that was stripped from them.
On the contrary, if you just look at the chart of the I Am Presence that is at our high altar, you see that each individual person who is a son or a daughter of God is centered in the Holy Spirit, centered in the mentor, the Holy Christ self, centered in the threefold flame.
it comes from the deep knowing that we have a part to play in god can people And so it is reasonable then to ask whether it's possible for people to get back to God without returning to organized religion.
Well, you know, organized religion kind of takes in the whole waterfront.
Sure.
Depending on who is the pastor, who is the teacher, who is the leader, whether that leader is up there carrying on histrionics and, you know, leading people astray, or whether you really have profound leaders who walk and talk with God daily, who listen to the inner voice, who obey that inner voice.
And these souls who took their lives also had that option of free will.
Now, if they saw their free will as identical with the free will of their leader and there was no clearly defined border of who I am and who the next guy is, that to me is what leads to like a colony of mushrooms that are all in one piece instead of having a separate identity and saying,
I want to live, you know, even saying it at the last minute, no, I'm not going to take this drug or whatever it is because I want life, not death.
I think that the future can be bright if we walk in the footsteps of the great religious reformers of all time.
And I think that if we decide to go into drugs and allow our children to do so, we allow our civilization to go down, and we don't fight for the rights of our children to be true and what they are, we don't fight to get heroin and drugs out of the schools, if we aren't really fighting, we will see the consequences of our actions.
I believe God has given us free will.
We have to take that free will and use it wisely, see what's happening, band together with our neighbors, and work for the betterment of our youth.
It happens in many places where there is a wholeness, where there is the green chute, where there is life.
There are many communities around our nation and around the world where people really do have a solid family core and where they are not losing and going down the mudslide of civilization.
I think that this came about when my husband, the night before he passed on, Mark Roffitt, who founded this organization, told me that I should move my headquarters to Montana.
He felt that we would be facing many challenges, especially in the 1990s, crossing over into the year 2000, that we could be seeing war again, perhaps a third world war.
We could see nuclear weapons.
We could see a breakdown in society.
We could see the problems of our military, that they do not realize that we must have defense, even though we may never use that defense.
We need to have that defense in place.
We know that Russia is still building armaments and weapons.
As a matter of fact, there's a story that ran yesterday in a lot of papers that the Russians, for whatever indiscernible reason, are building very deep bomb shelters.
Now, that doesn't sound to me like a nation that's thinking war is all gone and over and nothing to worry about.
Well, they have been building them for many, many years.
I would say at least since the end of World War II.
So the Russians mean business, and they are building those shelters because they are determined that they are not going to be the ones that are going to lose this fight.
And the Russians believe that he who hits first is the victor.
And so we then decided to say, okay, we're going to choose life, not death.
And life may entail that we be underground for a number of weeks if there are nuclear weapons that come across the United States.
And after that, and after the fallout settles and we come out, we have prepared our seed.
We've prepared those things that we can grow.
We're prepared to till the earth.
We're prepared to survive because we believe it's our responsibility to live and to send forth our posterity to once again recreate this world the way God intended it to be.
And the United States government is not providing what the Russian government is providing for its people.
I think the time is drawing near, and I think while this time is drawing near, the most important means we have of change is transmutation by the violet flame of the Holy Spirit.
And if you'd like, I'll be happy to give you an example of what a violet flame decree is about.
So, you are not what happened in Rancho, Santa Fe.
You are not a group of people prepared to bring upon their own apocalypse, which is what I think eventually occurs to most cults who feel it's on the way.
When it doesn't arrive, they then create their own, bring upon their own.
You are simply saying that you are preparing for what you believe is coming, and if it does not come in your lifetimes, that's just fine, but you vote for life, not death.
Well, our seminar is April 12th, Saturday, and April 13th, Sunday, from 1 to 6 p.m. on both days at the Wyndham Emerald Plaza Hotel in the Crystal Ballrooms 1 and 2.
That address is 400 West Broadway downtown on West Broadway and Columbia Street in San Diego.
Because I feel that we have a window of opportunity of three years or less to give people a real spiritual dimension and a Holy Spirit-centered life where no matter what happens to them,
whether we go into a golden age or whether we see a period of great darkness, that the people I talk to, that I give that empowerment to, of the science of the spoken word, that they will have something to hang on to no matter what happens in this world, in the United States, and the whole planet.
I think if you clear your aura and the aura of the etheric mental, physical, and desire body, if you make yourself a clear transparency, it's almost like you're a lighthouse.
You have the light going out from you, and your soulmate may recognize it from the other side of the world.
It's almost like when looking for one's soulmate, you almost have to be a sleuth because there's so many millions of people in the world.
But truly what God does is he brings together those whom he desires to bring together, and many, many people have married a soulmate.
I think that if we all recognize that we are facing major challenges in our homes, in industry, all over the world, in our government, and we can meet those challenges by praying daily, we can set aside 15 minutes or 30 minutes, give a few mantras to the violet flame to bring that into our households, that can make the difference.
We need to realize that we need St. Germain.
He's here for us, and we have to call to him, and we have to say, beloved St. Germain, help us to right this planet.
Help our families, help our children, help the world.
And we have to implore on our knees before God that God might give us intercession through St. Germain, through other saints in heaven.
We have to be a part of the process, and we can't give up.
We have to work as hard as we can to make this happen, to turn around the darkness of the world.
And if it comes upon us, then we can say to our posterity, we tried, we gave it our best.
Well, we've had the Royal Teton Lanch since 1981 when we purchased it, and it's now 1997.
So our neighbors, the people in Montana, the people in the capital and so forth, they've gotten to know us, and we get along very well with the people of Montana for the most part.
You've obviously admitted that you didn't get to where you wanted to go and everybody wants to go the first route.
Maybe before that you had other experiences in reincarnation.
I believe that, and that's true.
Now, for your people that are people, everyone that's listening, tell them how they would know if they're new or if they've been struggling for thousands of years.
First of all, the first fruit races, as they are called, never did sin.
So they were on the planet 14,000 years each, each S series of 14,000 years.
And they fulfilled their reason for being on planet Earth, and they moved on.
Then came the fourth and fifth and sixth fruit races.
And they got enmired with the fallen angels and the war that happened between Mars and Maldek and the planet Earth.
And these individuals have occupied the Earth since that time.
And this is why we have good and evil, because the bad intentions of many visitors who have come to planet have played themselves out over many centuries.
And therefore, we are in the grips of fallen angels and aliens who move against our children, who are tools for drugs, for tearing civilization down, for causing the burdens in people's bodies that have to do with why they're mentally ill, why they are physically ill.
But again, an individual, is there a way that a listener, for example, can discern whether they're a newbie or whether they've been around for a long time?
Well, if you want to have children, and you can have children, it's important to pray to God and ask God and His angels to intercede in your behalf and to give you a soul who is compatible with your family and whom God wishes to place there.
I would put it in the hands of God rather than to volunteer for such and such a soul that you really do not even know.
God assigns the souls that He sends to us, and He does a very good job of it.
So we should take what He sends us in terms of our bearing our children.
And the products of these clones could have gone off of Atlantis to other areas such as Greece and the Mediterranean areas.
And for all we know, we may be walking around and rubbing elbows with people who were created by Atlantean scientists and have come down the chain of evolution and are here on Earth.
I don't distinguish quantities of karma between those who have been on the earth longer as opposed to those who have been on the earth at lesser lengths of time.
What I'm saying here is that if you come in as a younger soul because you have reincarnated for the first time in the Piscean Age, that gives you 2,000 years period of having been on earth if you began to be born during this Piscean age.
So what we're saying here is souls are younger.
They may have less experience.
They may have less development in certain areas.
It's not a question of good and bad so much as it is what is their momentum of service to God and what is their momentum to service to life.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
Hi, where are you, please?
unidentified
I'm in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Yes, sir.
I became familiar with Miss Prophet's teachings many years ago, and I still, every day I decree, and I've been able to overcome tobacco and alcohol, and I've got a little bit of cold right now, but I'm a very joyful person.
I want to honor Miss Prophet's courage to come back out at this time with her teachings of the masters, because it is so difficult right now with all this cult stuff and everything.
It's so difficult for authentic teachings to get through to the people.
And I know she has taken more flack, which speaks to me that she must have something going for herself to take this much flack.
Well, sir, as you well know, I've been in that bucket here recently, too, and there's something I've noticed, and that is, and I wonder if you have, Elizabeth, that the media, for the most part, decides what the story is going to be, and then most times they don't let the facts get in their way of telling that story the way they want it to be.
If they have decided that Elizabeth Claire Prophet or anybody else is a cult leader, by gosh, they're going to tell that story no matter what.
You don't, your group does not kidnap people, does Not brainwash people, does not lead them down the path as we hear of cults like this one with Heaven's Gate and so forth.
You're free to come here, enjoy our teachings, read our books, decide you don't want to stay, be on your way with our blessing and love, come see us again.
You know, we just want to help people who want to be helped.
And I've been a seeker of truth all my life and study religions, and I studied first Episcopalian, then Christian Science, and then I found these books by Elizabeth Cornelius.
Claire Prophet at Barnes & Noble.
Yes.
And I started studying them, and I found them to be very full of very loving energy, and I think very spiritual.
And I found there were ways in which there was much to learn about what the purpose of life is.
And, you know, it's too bad that we have to try to put Mrs. Prophet through some kind of sieve and litmus test about, you know, are you crazy and do you have a cult and do they do suicides and drugs and this and that?
Because I think the media has specialized in perversity.
And the story about Mary Bakertti is similar because when she discovered, you know, Christian science, which said, you know, people can heal themselves, Jesus healed himself, and therefore you can too.
And she taught that, she was attacked from every single quarter on earth.
It seems like we're in a spiritual warfare where people are attacked if they have a message of love and healing and they just want to help others because it seems like this seems to be the dawn of the real hardening of heart.
It's worn in the Bible that, you know, the worst thing is a hardening of heart.
And we all seem to be getting that way toward one another because of media sensationalism.
So I would like to ask Mrs. Prophet, you know, what she would recommend is a book which someone might go to the bookstore and pick up just to investigate what your teachings are.
I would recommend the book that I have just recently finished, Reincarnation, the Missing Link in Christianity, because Christians are truly missing the link that they could have with God if they really understood what Christ's message was and is.
Well, as we were saying earlier, the Council of Nicaea, the situation of removing reincarnation because it was a threat to the church hierarchy, because the people would not have to toe the line if they knew that they were going to re-embody.
So reincarnation is pivotal, and if we don't understand it, we don't know it, what we do is we sin, and we think that somebody else is going to take care of it.
And I've always felt it myself that, gosh, you can't just simply be absolved of wrongdoing, that whatever good or bad you do in life hangs with you throughout your life.
And if one believes in reincarnation in future lives.
Exactly.
So I think I definitely believe that.
It makes more sense than somebody being absolved just like that.
And I know that flies in the face of a lot of contemporary Christian teaching.
And it makes a lot of fundamentalists very angry to hear the kind of thing you're saying because they believe, well, anything I can do can be forgiven.
So how do you deal with that anger when you meet it?
I pray for them that through the Holy Spirit, maybe they may become liberated and truly not have this burden where they feel they have to argue religion.
I think it's a sin against Jesus Christ to argue religion.
Because I believe in reincarnation, I see that if that person has received this judgment, that person could be in embodiment within a year or two years or three years as a baby in someone's womb who will come forth, grow to maturity, and will have to deal with that karma.
Now, if you let him rot in jail between his 20s and now he's 80 years old, it's a total waste.
With reincarnation, he gets to come back again, re-embody again, meet the person that he murdered, have a resolution between the two, if indeed they can reach that plane of brotherly love, and the one who was the victim and the one who was the murderer can move on now.
To me, you see, to let people rot away in jail, to finally, finally pass on in their late years, then finally get to be born again, you're talking about maybe 50 years of a person's life and of institutions having to support people.
Whereas these people are going nowhere, and they get into a lot of trouble in jail, in any case.
Let me read you a facts I got, and I'm not familiar with this, so I'll just read it, and you can respond if you will.
Good evening, Art.
Elizabeth Claire Prophet and her church is responsible for the slaughter of nearly two-thirds of the Yellowstone National Park bison herd, which were following their normal migration patterns in search of food this winter.
There is no, quote-inquotes, love in her heart for God's creatures.
She is not being honest when she tells you of her love.
Please ask her why she is calling for the slaughter of the Yellowstone bison herd.
Well, in past years, what has happened is, through perhaps not necessarily handling the situation the best, the Yellowstone Park has allowed multitudes of bison to come through onto our properties.
Then they have to be killed on our properties, and it becomes a tremendous mess.
And so what has happened is the Yellowstone Park has become more accountable to the situation of the bison.
And many bison were outside the park, not necessarily on our property this winter.
They've been all over Gardner, all over the roads, all over the highways.
Yeah, well it's brucellosis, and that affects our cattle.
And our cattle is on our ranch, and that cattle produces their young.
And if the bison get near them, our cattle can be compromised by the brucellosis of the bison.
I think that the herd in Yellowstone Park should be reduced to accommodate all the bison that should be in that park so they don't need to exit the park and come on private property and then put that in the hands of the ranchers that then have to deal with a question when it's not even our problem.
Hard question number two, and I don't really think this one's so hard.
On your ranch, it is said you have quite a stock of weapons.
Now, I have no problem with that, Elizabeth.
I have a fair stock of weapons myself.
I live in a very isolated area, and frankly, the authorities who might help me if I got in trouble would arrive probably in time to draw a chalk line around my body on the floor.
Not to help me get out of the trouble.
I'm going to have to depend on myself to do that, and so I do.
But people will, of course, look at your accumulation of weapons and attach really dire meaning.
The people who live in our community and are a part of our ranch are free to own guns as they see fit as right as citizens of the United States.
The church itself does not stock weapons.
Individuals may do so if they are concerned that we may have a nuclear war, not the scenario we've been discussing this evening, they want to be able to protect their families and their homes.
And they live all up and down the Paradise Valley in a long stretch of mileage.
And most people in Montana, you will find, hunt.
And they have their private weapons, which I don't think is any of my business or anybody else's business.
And so the guns that are possessed, not by your church, but by the individuals who are part of it, might conceivably be used if the worst occurred, if this change.
And by the way, you may have heard at the beginning of the hour, and I want to ask you, have you noted that whether it's a Native American or a Catholic priest or a prophet or Elizabeth Clare prophet or so many, many others, through different venues and visions and avenues, they all, you all seem to be saying about the same thing, and that is that we are rushing toward a change.
So are there other paths, Elizabeth, that are valid and are able to see the same things that you have been shown?
I think that the mystics of the world and every one of the major world religions have a deep contact with God.
And I think that people in the outer circles of religion also have a contact with God.
And each of us needs to position ourselves in that place where we feel we can do the best by communing with God and then going out and helping people who really need us.
They need us physically.
They need us to help us with their children, to help us with drugs, to face this and that challenge.
There's a, well, for a lot of years, I guess you can call them witch cults or whatever, but there's a universal understanding of life.
And it's called spiritualism.
And it deals with everything that lives and grows lives off the same energy.
And it's the same energy that the grass grows from, that puppies are born from, that everything that lives and moves, it comes from some energy, and it exists throughout the universe.
It's called nature.
And a lot of people misinterpret it for God.
And I'm not saying that there's not somebody there that guides us.
And I think it's almost synchronistic that you were just talking about how if you have to go to the bathroom a lot at night, if it's your prostate and large stuff, and one of your ads.
Okay, this one is called The Living Flame of Cosmic Freedom.
It says, I am the immortal flame of cosmic freedom.
I demand that all of my energies in outer concentration submit to the great God flame within my heart.
I demand that all outer conditions come within effective God control.
I demand that all that is not of the light be transmuted and changed, and that I be the fullness of all that which I already am.
For I am the full perfection of God.
I am the living flame of cosmic freedom.
I am the buoyant, dancing joy of God that passes through my entire four lower bodies and descends from the heart of my presence to give me my freedom now.
I am the raising power of the Spirit of light and fire, which lifts me to the victory of my ascension and is the full gathered momentum of victory of the saints and ascended beings of all ages to ascend back to the very heart of God and the immortal consciousness thereof.
I always go back to the power of the spoken word so that I have set in the ethers around me exactly what I want to have happen and come into physical manifestation.
So if I'm going to deal with nuclear war, I would take another mantra from St. Germain and see if you can visualize how this looks around you.
I am the light of the heart, shining in the darkness of being, and changing all into the golden treasury of the mind of Christ.
I am projecting my love out into the world, to erase all errors, and to break down all barriers.
I am the power of infinite love, amplifying itself, until it is victorious, world without end.
Because when we put a shield of light around us, the light of our hearts, the manifestation of the mind of Christ, and we call for the breaking down of all barriers, we call for the power of infinite love, that is energy.
We qualify that energy with a very specific code, and the code are the sequences of the words of the mantra itself.
So every syllable of a mantra carries energy.
So when you want to accomplish turning back nuclear war, you start with this nucleus of the light of the heart that comes from the I am that I am that God revealed to Moses.
So we go back to our source, we call God to send down shafts of white light, then we give a mantra that anchors it into the physical octave, in our bodies, and in the situation of your father's prostate.
One thing that is clear to me, Elizabeth, after listening to you this morning, is that what the popular press has made you out to be is definitely not what you are at all.
Whatever you are, you certainly are not what they say you are.
And I hope that that's come clear to my listeners this morning.
I suspect it has, those who have really listened.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
I've just recently been exposed to your teaching, so it's really a joy to talk to you.
My question is that it makes sense to me that we're all energy, and so by invoking a vibration or a color to create change within ourselves or outside of ourselves with these kind of affirmations, that makes sense.
When I'm looking at these decrees, I'm a little overwhelmed with the number of them, and some of the words are unfamiliar, and I think it's important to come from the heart.
How do you know when you're really there?
How long does it take?
Or what do you have to do to make sure that you're really coming from the place that's going to create that transformation in your life or in the lives of things that are important outside of ourselves?
Well, you can go to the Minneapolis Teaching Center and get some booklets just on decrees, like angel booklets on how to decree for certain things.
How do you know when you've accomplished it?
Because you feel the Holy Spirit upon you, because you feel that through your prayers and your communion with God, you've come to a new plane of oneness with that Spirit.
And I think you come to recognize it after you've decreed and given the type of signs of the spoken word that we do.
You get to recognize and you know when you have accomplished that goal.
And my question has to do with one of, I come from a Catholic background, pretty much sad to say but true, I pretty much turn my back on that.
And to say something to me in the lines of, what would you recommend for somebody to get back into a spiritual belief, not so much the Catholic belief, but...
Well, I just felt that the Catholic Church, so to speak, as an organization, was something hollow was there.
Something wasn't true.
Something was unfulfilling.
It wasn't enough.
There was more to it than what they had to offer.
That just was my feelings.
And, you know, I just pretty much trotted along, you know, and up until the last little while, I figured there must be more, you know, how do you get to a more spiritual feeling?
Well, I would suggest that you take up the teachings of the Ascended Masters so that you can come to the realization that so much has been taken out of Christianity that we have a watered-down religion that is not going to be able to serve us when we have to fight a battle of Armageddon, whether within ourselves or on a planetary scale.
And I think that that's what happened at the Council of Nicaea, that we lost reincarnation, so we lost our reason for being.
Well, you know, the main one that we look to is the Elijah Come Again story.
That's what we look to because that's what Jesus told his disciples.
A lot has been cut out of the Bible.
Scholars themselves are not certain.
So I think that when you get to the Nag Hammadi texts and other documents that have been found, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, you begin to get an entirely different take on Christianity, one that is strong, one that is hopeful, one that is full of love, compassion, and peace toward others.
All right, and if it will help, caller, if you're used to going to my website, we have a link up there right now to Elizabeth Claire Prophet's website.
And I also took the trouble to scan a very, very nice, flattering, I thought, black and white photograph of you, Elizabeth, and put that on the website as well.
And it seems like I've known Art all this time only because I listened to his tapes.
My husband works day and night, and he records them.
Anyway, I just wanted to tell Elizabeth Claire Profit that I am grateful that she was interviewed and also that Art's wishes came true.
I'm originally from South America, but I'm living here in Boise, and I just like to testify the Violet Flame.
I founded teachings in 1977, and this is 97, so I think it's been 20 years.
My children grew up over there, and I served on staff for almost 12 years, and I could really testify with the violet flames in St. Germain.
And I just wanted to share this with all the audience, which I consider my brothers and sisters out there listening, that they should try to give it a try.
I take that scripture to mean that we are given once to live, and we are given many times to live, and when we are called home, we go through the resurrection.
You see, this goes along with canceling out the Council of Nicaea.
We come to the place here it is given man once to die.
Well, we know that it is not given to man once to die because we know the law of reincarnation.
That's Elizabeth Claire Prophet and an interview I've wanted to do for a long time.
And, you know, I'm curious now, from those of you out there, was she what you thought she was going to be?
Was her persona what you thought it was going to be?
Are your illusions that were no doubt manufactured by the Soundbite Mass Media, are they now shattered or are they intact?
you you We're going into open lines now, and I did what I did tonight with Elizabeth Clare Prophet very, very intentionally.
I wanted you to hear her, what she really believes, and while you may not agree with Elizabeth Clare Prophet regarding her spiritual path, I think it important that you got a chance to hear her.
Aside from the media assassinations that have been done, you know, all the cult business.
And so I think it was obvious to anybody who really bothered to listen that she follows a spiritual path that has no relationship whatsoever to what occurred in Rancho Santa Fe.
And I wonder if you would agree with that assessment, having listened to her.
I wondered if the next time you have her on, if you could ask her what her connections are to the original St. Germain Foundation in Mount Shasta, California.
She is hopeful that such a thing can be prevented, but her late husband told her to do what she has done in Montana, and he obviously believed that there would be such a war.
Anyway, it seems that you were kind of affected by her, and I was kind of interested in reversing your question and what we thought to what you thought.
I've never heard you say that you, you know, reincarnation seemed to be making sense to you there.
This is from Steve in Portland, who always writes, till the comet do us part.
Does Hillary Clinton listen to Coast to Coast?
This is an Associated Press article.
Hillary Rodham Clinton today denied administration officials tried to hush up a key figure in the Whitewater investigation by finding him work, calling that suggestion part of a never-ending fictional conspiracy.
She said, get this folks, the fuss over the Whitewater probe reminded her of, quote, some people's obsession with UFOs and Hailbop Comet some days.
End quote, hours later, President Clinton threw back his head and laughed when he heard about his wife's remark and said, did she say that?
That's pretty good, he told reporters.
Asked if he agreed with Mrs. Clinton's assessment, the president added, if I didn't, I wouldn't disagree with her in public.
And that reminds me of an earlier news story about, it was entitled, it was the Associate Press.
It's buried under here.
Yeah, here it is.
Mrs. Clinton denies hush money.
Actually, it does cover the UFO thing in here.
Let me read it to you as it came across Reuters.
Hillary Rodham Clinton says the Whitewater affair is a never-ending fictional conspiracy pursued by zealous critics who remind her of the UFO cult followers who committed mass suicide.
The First Lady's colorful remarks were part of a denial of any White House attempt to get hush money to former Associate General Webster Hubble to keep him from telling all he knows.
Now, I liked the headline.
Mrs. Clinton denies hush money.
What else would you expect?
I mean, how else would you read that headline?
Mrs. Clinton admits hush money?
Or, yes, we paid him big bucks?
Or, you know, I just, of course she denies hush money.
And I'm not saying that any hush money was paid.
I'm just laughing at the headline.
And by the way, I've got some pretty good quotes for you as the show goes on.
But ma'am, I have had countless, you know, her visit to come on the show to be a guest was advertised, I don't know, two or three weeks ahead of time.
And I've had countless faxes and emails from people who were, you know, inside with varying opinions, but none of them said that there was any problem when they wanted to leave.
So it's not that, but what I'm trying to say is, when you're saying it's a cult, my traditional understanding of a cult is that it doesn't quite work that way.
People just don't walk out when they want to.
unidentified
Well, I don't know how many have walked out because we could have stayed for dinner, but these people donate all their services and it's some very intelligent people.
The reason I had her on was so that you could actually hear what the woman believes.
Whether or not you agree with what she said, I wanted to do what most of the American media does not do, and that's actually allow you to hear what she believes.
Not to clip up sound bites and serve them up in an effort to shape a story the way you want it to be.
Cult, guns, bunkers, that sort of thing.
Did you really sense that that's what she was all about as you listened?
Did you sense that here was a woman who was going to bring about as David Koresh did, either by antagonizing the authorities or himself firing the first shot, depending on what you believe about that.
He brought on his own apocalypse.
Did you sense that from her?
No, I don't think so.
That's why I had her on.
I've had a pretty good taste myself lately of what the American media serves up when it decides it wants a story portrayed in a certain way.
Yeah, I know there's a big fight going on about that.
They just sort of wanted to lump her in with that.
unidentified
Well, I just wanted to set that straight.
But in any case, you know, their freedom to worship the way they want to worship is assuring that is assuring my freedom to worship the way I want to worship.
And I think what happened at Waco, I mean, people are free to believe what they want to believe.
And I was very concerned for the church universal triumph when the thing happened down at Waco because I think they have a parallel thing.
Probably you have and I have, that is, that I have collected firearms since I was a teenager and I believe that the Second Amendment means what it says.
Matter of fact, I had two delicious hamburgers tonight before I got on the air.
Absolutely delicious.
But that's a small matter, and the point that man was trying to make is well taken.
One, that it's more than time that we stopped looking at people because they possess firearms to protect themselves with so what?
Now, I know that doesn't go down so easily on the East Coast, but I live out here in the West.
I live, and I mentioned it during the interview, in an area where if somebody came after me, I am my own first line of protection.
I have no illusions about that.
And those who live out here and think that they will be protected if somebody comes after them are, in my opinion, delusional.
Yes, the police, the sheriff, they'll do whatever they can.
But when there is a large space between you and those who would endeavor and certainly try to protect you, then, well then, in my opinion, you better be able to protect yourself.
There's no guarantees in life, but you do what you can.
And the Second Amendment says you have that right.
And I believe it is not only a Second amendment right, but it's a God-given or creator-given right for you to protect your own life.
That, folks, is choosing life.
And if there was a thread throughout the interview with Mrs. Prophet, it was the choice of life.
Did you not get that?
Did that not come through?
Whether you agree or disagree with what she believes from a spiritual point of view, it was obvious that she believes in life.
I see it as, I grew up Southern Baptist from South Carolina.
And I see it as I have questioned it, and I went through a struggle because being Baptist alone is enough to make you question.
And so, as I went through about six years of heavy debating, even thinking that maybe I was agnostic at some point, I finally have come to the conclusion, I see it as a pie.
As we have Christianity, we have Buddhism, we have a number of religions, and you add all of them into this piece of the pie.
And we've kind of broken our own pieces of the pie into Christianity, and this is what I believe.
Well, I think if we're willing to see, just like Miss Prophet has done, she has her piece of the pie, and who knows if we'll ever see that whole picture or eat the whole pie, if you will.
But if we'll just look beyond those walls, we'll see the connectedness in that it's one big pie.
It's not separate from one another.
All these pieces come together, and if we look outside of it, we'll see the connectedness of it.
But I think it's the things that we're taught keeps us limited into that little piece.
Well, I thought a key thing that she said, and you may have heard me ask her, a key thing she said was that there are many possible paths to the same answers, and not just hers.
She does not hold hers out as the only true path, the only true answer.
unidentified
And what a stress reliever that is.
I find the openness to people when you can see that connectedness and they say, okay, let's say they're Buddhist.
The connectedness, I mean, there's not a stress that you don't feel withdrawn from them because you know that you're a part of them.
And that she's not somebody who's going to lead a bunch of people into drinking Kool-Aid or slopping down some pudding and going off into the next level.
unidentified
You know, she gives a good explanation of why people don't always remember past lives.
And I'd like to tell your listeners about this.
There's something that she calls it God's grace.
It's the veil of forgetfulness.
Yes.
Now, how many of us have done bad things, terrible things, or whatever kind of things, that we feel guilty, right?
Now, imagine having a thousand lifetimes and being able to remember all the wrong things you've done.
Yeah, so you figure if karma is the return of actions, actions and reactions, basically what's going to happen is you're going to go through life, like you said your wife was telling you, you're going to go through things and you're going to get return things, good or bad, and you're going to have to deal with them.
So let God deal with that.
You know, giving it back to you.
One other thing I wanted to mention is last week, my brother Chris and I faxed you some lyrics to a song that we wrote called The Quickening.
And we're coming out with a C D and I want to get it to you.
And I don't know.
I know that there were some other people who called up saying about music they had written some.
You actually wrote something called The Quickening.
unidentified
Yeah, and I think that You'll really like it.
And I'm sure.
Oh, this is another thing I wanted to mention.
This is why I've been trying to call all night.
I haven't gotten your book yet.
But do you talk anything about the quickening with the entertainment industry?
Because one thing I've noticed is, yes, it's happening with our government, it's happening in religious situations, but as a musician, and I've been given a blessing by my teacher, who is Elizabeth Claire Prophet, to write music to actually teach people.
Because what do we see nowadays?
We see bands out there, and I'm not necessarily trying to judge their music, but look at the subtlety of their message.
The heart of the rock and roll and the lyrics to these things.
I think they're promoting the quickening in a very subtle way.
We have volunteered to go on to the TV interviews or anything whenever they were trying to put down Elizabeth Clare Prophet as people who did not belong to her organization, but people who know them.
Well there's a lot of people that moved from California out to my state and Montana and Idaho and all kinds of spacier places.
unidentified
This is what occurred and we saw the locals bankrupt at least a dozen businesses of people that came and moved from California and set up businesses there who were not associated with her.
But the locals became so paranoid that they felt that anybody from California.
Yeah, but you know what the fault of the you know why?
It's because of the media.
I'll tell you something.
I've learned a big lesson in the last few weeks about our media.
I sincerely mean this, and a lot of you who are regular listeners to my program, I suspect, have learned this lesson along with me.
And I mean this from the bottom of my, and it's one of the reasons I had Elizabeth Claire Prophet on, because I wanted you to really hear her, what she believed.
And I found that generally when the media, whether it's print media and they're a little better, television is the worst offender of all, when they come to visit you, ostensibly to get the truth or a story, very, very, very few of them in 1997 really care at all about getting the story.
There are some exceptions, and I could name them, but I won't.
I just simply learned over this last several weeks that the media makes up their mind about who you are and what you are, or a story.
And, you know, I don't want to go back into the whole hail-bop thing, but that's the origins of it, and then the suicides and all the rest of it.
And once the media has decided they're going to tell a story a certain way, by God, they're going to tell it that way, and don't let the facts get in the way.
They don't want to hear about the facts, particularly if it's going to ruin the angle of their story.
And so, sometime ago, the media decided that Elizabeth Claire Prophet was leading a cult.
And they talk about the weapons, and they talk about the bunkers, and they talk about bunker mentality, and all the rest of that.
And nobody ever really sits down and listens to what her belief system is.
Now, did she sound to you like David Koresh?
Did she sound to you like somebody who was or is trying to instigate her own Armageddon?
Not even close.
Not if you listened.
Now, you may certainly disagree with her spiritual philosophy, and that's fine.
But the point of the interview, the real point of the interview was that you understand what her philosophy is.
You may disagree with it, but that you understand it so that you understand it is not what ABC's 2020 portrayed it to be or what so many other news organizations who are bent on telling the story the way they want the angle to be.
Instead, we had three hours and we laid it out.
So I know a lot of you disagree with her view of spirituality.
All right?
Biblically, religiously, you disagree.
But one thing I think you should have gathered from that interview is that this is a woman who believes in life, not death, who believes that if there is prophecy, there is hope to try and change it, not to make it self-fulfilling.
That should have come through crystal clear.
If it did, then we did a service, I hope.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Good morning, Art.
I very much enjoy your show, and I'm so glad I got through.
My name's Rick.
I'm calling from the south side of Chicago in Flosspoor.
I would say that about 90% of the people who responded, who had looked into this, verified that what he said is exactly true.
unidentified
Well, I have to say that myself.
I lived in North Carolina for a couple of years in Wilmington, the Cape Fear River, and I have friends there who I called that day.
And I actually went and got one of his books, but I called and talked to them, and they verified pretty much right down the lines of everything he said.
I mean, they didn't know, of course, the specifics, but I mean, my friends live near the ocean, or one of them lives right on the ocean, and I was just so appalled because I love seafood, and, you know, I've lived near the ocean most of my life.
So, I mean, I, wow.
I mean, what can we do?
I mean, is probably be my next question, if anything.
I didn't write this book to make a bunch of money.
If it makes money, fine.
You know, authors don't make a lot of money in books.
I wrote this book because I wanted you to know.
I wanted to document for you carefully exactly what I've been telling you.
And I'm not a Native American, but I do believe that we are pushing Mother Earth.
And she's getting ready to push back.
As a matter of fact, the first pressure can be felt all around us in every area of human endeavor.
Socially, we talked about the blank-eyed little kids that are killing each other at an ever-increasing rate.
Violence among our young is just absolutely going through the roof.
Down a little bit, did you know, for adults?
But going way up among the young.
Why do you suppose that might be?
Way up.
That's where we've got our problem.
Drug use among the young, way up.
Economically, look down a few years and you'll see what's going to happen.
I describe it in the book.
Politically, my God, what a mess.
I view both present political parties as hopeless disasters, crippled by scandal and by meaningless debate.
And I could go on and on and on, and I do in this book.
That was the whole point of the book, and it's all quite well documented.
Is it simply a product of modern media?
In other words, we're hearing more about it?
That's the argument detractors would make of what I believe.
Well, my book will prove to you that indeed it is not simply more mass communication, that this trending, this quickening, is very real, absolutely real, and occurring now.
We're in the middle of it now.
And that's why I wrote this book.
It's important to me.
It's really important to me, and I think it's important to everybody.
And I'm not a prophet, so I sure can't tell you what's coming.
I can only tell you something is.
A change is on the way.
And when you have read this, you will be convinced.
Again, my book is called The Quickening.
The Quickening West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
And I just want to make a little comment here real quick about if you've been watching any of your local network news on TV lately in the past two or three days about that missing bomber.
Have you noticed how even our local channels here in the Medford area are dropping little insidious little hints that this guy has just up and flown the coop with the plane?
They're just dropping these insidious little hints, and they're slowly brainwashing the general public.
Now, when they find the plane, if it winds up being a crashed or downed airplane for whatever reason, they're going to still be saying he was trying to fly it to outer Mongolia somewhere and trying to make him out to be some sort of a crook.
It is not the most likely a probability, in my opinion.
By far not the most likely.
It is the least likely.
But it is the sexiest to jump to.
To speculate about, oh my God, I mean, look at this.
What is today's date?
The 11th of April, right?
Now, what is the media really trying to tell us?
Let's cut through with a bull.
They're trying to say that the 19th is coming, the anniversary of Waco, and that we have some wild officer of the U.S. Air Force that has taken an airplane armed with 2,000 pounds worth of bombs, and some sort of terrible, terroristic vengeance is going to be visited on the American people in retribution, the government for Waco, once again.
That's coming through the ball and saying it like it is, right?
Well, the most likely possibility is this plane crashed in the mountains.
If what people are insisting upon speculating about should come true, then God help us.
But I certainly would not jump to that as the most likely scenario.
And I think that there's spiritual inspiration, there's spiritualism, there's spiritual conditions, and they're all separate items.
And anybody on individual spiritual paths are just as dysfunctional as any organized religion, so no one has a monopoly on, quotes, righteousness, if you will.
And the President's response, I thought, was very interesting.
And he said, in essence, if I disagreed with her, I sure as hell wouldn't say so in public.
Now, I didn't hear the president say that.
Maybe some of you did.
So I would ask you, was there a big broad smile on his face when he said that, and a laugh?
Or did you detect an underlying fear as though were he to publicly disagree with her, there would be real hell to pay in the private part of the White House that night?