Art Bell and John Shepherd explore Mel’s Hole, a 100-year lease with strict confidentiality—5% of revenues go to the speaker, whose remains may return to the U.S. for disposal. Shepherd’s Project STRAT UFOs (1970s) used ultra-low-frequency transmitters (40Hz–12kHz), including a 150-kilovolt "giant tank circuit," to lure UFOs via whale songs and progressive rock like Soft Machine, despite no confirmed results. Callers link HAARP (Alaska) and military ELF experiments to unexplained low-frequency noises, while Bell dismisses skepticism about extraterrestrial life amid cloning debates—including a seven-month-old sheep clone—and conspiracy theories like Earth’s misaligned gravity. The episode blends fringe science, cryptic land deals, and speculative tech, leaving listeners questioning suppressed truths and humanity’s place in the cosmos. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and good morning as the case may be across whatever time zone you reside in.
From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chain in the west, chains, actually eastward all the way to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet, the ever-growing internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Mark Bell.
Welcome to the program.
Well, the first thing I have for you is a MELS whole update.
Minutes before broadcast, I received what is a pack which is dubbed subject final whole report.
Check this out, guys.
First of all, I want to thank you, your listeners, and your callers.
I particularly want to thank the skeptics because they are the ones that really helped me.
I have decided to take the money and run.
I have made a lease agreement with regard to my land.
The lease is to provide me with a sum of money to be deposited into an account in Australia.
The money in Australia would allow me to immigrate to Australia because I would normally be unable to immigrate there because of my age.
Australia, unlike the U.S., has very strict rules regarding immigration.
The balance of the mortgage on the land will be paid off by the leasing party.
I will be paid a sum of money each month for the next 100 years.
Should I predecess the term of the lease, the money is hard to read, is to go to my estate, oh, I see, if I die, in other words.
If it is feasible based on the leasing party's use of the land, I am to have my remains upon my demise return to the U.S. and be disposed of in the whole.
The last item is based on the future use of the whole.
If any commercial use of the land is made by the leasing party, their agents, or any other entity, I am to receive 5% of the gross revenues generated by the land.
This would be in addition to the monthly lease amount.
The lease can be renewed at the end of the term by request of the leasing party.
I will be indemnified against any damage to the land or the environment based on actions of the leasing party.
This is quite remarkable.
I'm reading this as you're hearing it as I'm reading it.
There will be no charges of drug manufacturing against me.
I will not be charged with the importation and propagation of non-native plants.
Any materials regarding my research will be returned to me.
Any personal items remaining on the property will be returned to me so long as they do not compromise the security of the property.
In return, I am not to release any photographs, written, or oral descriptions as to the location or any information that would compromise the security of the property.
I do, this is in caps, I do not wish to talk to the press.
In my opinion, there is no press other than Art Bell.
If you want to be able to cutting edge, Art Bell is the guy sharpening the knife off.
Though things were pretty scary at times, everything worked out well.
I'm certain that if I never contacted you to begin with, I would not have been as fortunate as I am today.
It is amazing what can happen over the span of just a few days, Friday.
I'm trying to make it to the end of the month now.
Now money will not be a problem, ever.
Thank you and all, and let Mel's Hole enter into that murky territory of urban mythology or conspiracy theory.
This is the end of the trail.
Mel.
P.S. Yes, they will tell me about the true nature of the hole.
No, you will not hear it from me.
Huh.
That just came in prior to airtime.
Now, I have had a gazillion requests from Old Strange Universe and a whole bunch of newspapers and people who wanted to contact Mel, and I, of course, did not pass along his number without permission and wouldn't do that.
And so there you have it, about two minutes prior to airtime.
That facts came in, and I'll read that one more time later in the morning so all of the audience is sure to get it.
Well, the final saga question mark in Mel's Hole.
I've got two other whole stories here that we'll get to later.
Remarkable whole stories.
Now, for tonight, first of all, for the past two weeks, this just in, Australia has been repeatedly visited by UFOs.
Over, get this, folks.
50 encounters have been reported since February 1, including two landings in the suburbs of Melbourne.
The flap began Saturday, February 1, with an incident in Tasmania, the island off Australia's southern coast.
A family there reporting finding traces of a weird bright yellow slime jelly in their yard.
Ooh, that sounds familiar.
At 9.45 p.m. in Broken Hill, New South Wales, a city 750 kilometers west of Sydney, people reported, quote, sighting two bright lights traveling northwest to southeast.
At 9.51 p.m.
Another man saw a glowing object fly from the southeast to the northwest and on and on and on the reports go and I've got a good dozen reports here from Australia.
So in the land down under, things are really hopping and popping UFO-wise.
On this side of the pond, there is a most remarkable thing for you to see.
Photographs of the house of the man that I'm about to interview.
John Shepard is his name.
And he runs something called Project STRAT, S-P-R-A-T acronym, for special telemetry research and tracking.
It began in the spring of 1972.
Through a dedicated effort, the project became fully operational by 1973.
Now, I'm not going to read this whole thing.
It's up on the website.
And what I recommend to you is that you get up there right away and take a look at the Project STRAT photographs and what John has done to his house.
There are a good half dozen photographs, I think, up there.
And the whole story.
Otherwise, we're going to unwind the story here on the air in a moment.
So coming up, a man who is trying to contact UFOs from Michigan and has been trying to for many years, John Shepard.
art thank you for having me on the air with you oh happy to have you where are you in Michigan John well I'm in the northern lower peninsula not far from Traverse City actually northeast of Traverse City by about 38 miles okay how old are you now right now I'm good that's a good question I think I'm 46.
Well, I'm even thinking back to the beginning of when I first was in kindergarten and got kicked out of kindergarten.
Why?
Well, because oftentimes I would leave the classroom.
I got bored in kindergarten and I would end up going down to the boiler room in the school building which was on the southeast side of Detroit where I lived.
I would go down there and talk with the guys that were on the boilers.
They would show me the sight glasses and let me peer inside of them and see them working.
I got real interested in that sort of thing, mechanical things, electrical things.
Well anyway, look, around skipping ahead from kindergarten, I mean this business of beginning to try to attract UFOs, and a lot of people out there would say you ought to be really careful what you wish for or try to achieve.
why did it begin how did it begin that's that's a good question I started out after all this past this kindergarten stage and on into the 60s we're talking early 60s mid 60s now I was fascinated by programs like The Outer Limits, Forbidden Planet, and The Day Beer Stood Still.
Yeah, he had his own radio set up at the transmitter where he could broadcast programs, not music per se, but he was broadcasting codes and information out into space trying to contact a distant star system.
And in this segment, he established contact and he had like a very neat special effect.
They had this glass box where it looked like they were superimposing and projecting a tsilloscope image at ellistogen figures, this kind of thing, on this glass.
And this being would kind of fade in and appear in here in this glass chamber.
And it was like, it almost reminds you of what would now be a hologram by today's standards, way back then.
How did I miss that?
How could I miss that?
Oh, it's a wonderful segment.
It is brilliant.
If you ever get a chance, you'll want to check it out.
Those were particularly interesting sightings, and I briefly looked before I went on the air because I have a tape of some air traffic people talking about them, all kinds of confirmation, the guy sitting in front of the radar screen talking about it.
Because I heard a lot of this through WJR radio when I was living in the southeast side there in Detroit during this time, and I was glued to that radio.
It was mysterious.
I was hearing these incredible stories about this object that sat down in a farmer's field that had a large oval shape and had a quilted surface to it.
And the farmer that owned the field and his son went out there to look at it.
Didn't get very close to where the point where the sun said something like, look at that awful thing.
And it started to glow and it lifted off the ground and took off.
And it really just had me tranced.
I have no other words for it.
And something unusual happened shortly thereafter.
Because I was so fascinated with these sightings.
I spent nights outside watching with a, I had a TASCO, 10-power, handheld spotting scope, nothing fancy.
I would sit out there evenings and watch the skies and watch the skies.
See lots of planes go over, you know, the regular kind of thing.
And one night I experienced something that to this day still remains pretty much unexplained in my mind.
And I even ended up with a witness to it, which is even stranger.
It was about 9 p.m.
I'm thinking it's approximately 4 to 10 days after these first batch of sightings.
And, you know, I was out there for night after night, nothing.
And then this one night, I watched what looked like a star moving across the sky relatively slowly.
It had no flashing lights on it or anything like that, but it was about the first magnitude in brightness.
It was quite bright.
It almost looked like Venus is, Venus, how bright Venus is, quite clearly visible and moving.
And it was moving from the west, basically, to the east, from where I remember living in the sunset and all that.
And I watched this thing.
I put my back up to the house and lined it up between power lines that were running overhead to make sure I wasn't moving and make sure it would stay here with us.
And I watched that thing, and sure enough, it was moving.
It reached, it moved to a point of about a 45-degree angle to my viewing point.
And at that point, I could just see what looked like a speck of light drop out of it.
There was no doors opened or anything like that, but I saw a speck of light, that's the best description I can give, just appear from it and just descend very slowly down towards the city skyline.
The object continued on overhead until I couldn't see it anymore.
The other object that descended got to the point where you couldn't see it because of the light from the city.
It got down into the lit area and you couldn't see it anymore.
Now that was kind of strange.
I thought, boy, that's weird.
Why would an airplane drop something out of it like that?
Well, here's what makes it even stranger for me, and again, I'll tell you some more, was I knew this lady who babysitted for a neighbor right next to me.
And I used to talk with her about just all kinds of stuff, just anything, you know, stuff that kids talk about, or younger people.
And she worked at a Hamburg sedan just about a block from the house.
And I went up there the next morning and I went in and I said, I saw the strangest thing last night.
And I started to describe it to her.
And she looked at me really just straight in the face and she said, she almost turned white.
And I look out the window and I see what looks like a baseball-sized ball of light, like a plasma or a ball of light descending very gradually, slowly down towards the ground.
I look out the window, it gets near the ground and fades away, just dissipates.
It got me started down this path of exploring and trying in my best, you know, in my own best efforts with what limited funds I had to go out and try to open some doors to these questions, to get some answers, to look in deeper.
Yes, on quite a few different programs over the years.
And interviewed by not only local TV, but national TV, PM Magazine, Look at Us with Richard Crennaug, which really originally was filmed for real people, but they moved it over to a new series that they started called Look at Us, George Flatter Productions.
And now there's many more things in the works.
Seems like most recently, Turner Broadcasting will be carrying a segment featuring a lot of my work called Searching for UFOs.
And they're talking a tentative date of June 29th.
I was trying to contact them and a UFO or object, intelligence, whatever you want to call it, and bring it in, hone it in, get it close enough to where instruments could pick up electromagnetic fields, radiation, and or be able to photograph it, visually observe it, and so forth.
I didn't go with the idea that I'd make contact in the sense of a communication.
I went with the idea of can I attract their attention?
Can I lure them in?
Can I get them close enough where they can be photographed, observed, or check them out more closely in a little better detail.
All right, aside from this incredible amount of equipment that you have amassed to do this job, I guess I'm kind of curious.
Well, you did attract them once, didn't you?
You actually had some come down close by while you were transmitting.
What I wanted to ask, though, John, is, my God, we've got, you know, I'm on 328 radio stations or something right now, and there's RF going out all over from the planet, FM, AM, television, CB Hams, you name it, the spectrum is just buzzing with RF.
Why do you think John Shepard's RF would particularly be heard or recognized by a UFO instead of all this other spurious stuff?
Well, that's a very good question, and even I've thought about that.
I myself have wondered that same thing.
Is it just sheer coincidence, or was there something maybe that's just a little different about it, like the frequency, which that was one of the reasons I chose the lower bands besides SCC regulations, et cetera, was the interesting and curious thing that had been reported for many years related to UFO sightings was that they were able to home in on the power lines day or night and locate the power lines and attach themselves to it or
Yeah, so that is a strong point in why I chose this general frequency range.
But I thought if I expanded on it a little bit and varied it enough, I started out by broadcasting tone burst pulses or tones, just a multitude of tones 24 hours a day, over and over again.
Then I got into broadcasting nature sounds like songs of the humpback whale, things like this.
And it wasn't more than a year after that that I decided to go with music.
Music was a powerful thing in my life.
So I thought, well, music, of course.
You know, it's pretty universal even here.
It crosses borders and people still can, you know, make head or tails of it.
They can make something from it or enjoy it or get something out of it.
From 40 hertz to 25 kilohertz is really very maximum top end I can squeeze out of this equipment.
And then the efficiency drops off so dramatically that might as well forget it.
So really it's very long wave.
It's very low in frequency and by most, by standard radio theory requires an antenna hundreds of miles long, you know, at those lower frequencies.
Exactly.
That is standard radio theory.
And I don't dismiss it in any way.
But what I did attempt to do here was try to make up or compensate somewhat for that fact by increasing the potential emitted electrical field by increasing the voltage very, very high and using what I had for space and antenna to try to send the signal out.
By increasing the potential of the dipole, the signal is fed to that to 60 or 100,000 volts, you get an impedance match, a better match, kind of like Nicholas Hespel was doing, where he increased the voltage so much that it coupled with the air.
That is the one that I broadcast the Cultural and Freedom Music program from.
That's the, it has two, it's been modified somewhat since then.
It has two large 10-foot long dipoles.
And there's a reflector that helps increase the bounce or the reflection of the signal back up into space.
I've noticed there's a tremendous ground wave reflection, like it bounces.
There's a point where you can detect it and it reverses its phase when you're measuring the signal's intensity.
So there's also a ground wave that sets up with the ground.
It's about 18 feet above the ground and the signal from that antenna element there is reflected like on the on the antenna itself, on the reflector and on the ground and it goes back up.
One time, I've never tried it in a plane.
That's the one thing I've thought about.
I wish I had the use of the space shuttle for this would be awesome.
But anyway, we tried, we did try a cherry picker bucket and went way up about 80 feet above this thing and the signal was just phenomenally loud, very intense, much more intense than even the side field of peripheral radiation given off by the antenna and ground level.
It was, and Lee, unless you were very, very close to it.
It was interesting.
there was a stronger irradiated signal in the vertical plane.
You know, that's a question I've had asked so many times.
That's an interesting question, and I'm fascinated by it.
Now, I've watched in the mirror, every morning I get up, I check to see if there's a third eye developing in the center of my head or any other strange mutation.
But actually, I haven't had, I don't feel any ill effects yet.
I haven't, I've been around this stuff for 20 years or better, you know, around these electromagnetic fields, and especially in the accelerator lab here, where we've got these two-story high machines that put out the same, nearly the same potential as antenna, and they're right inside of a room in the house.
My grandfather passed on in January of 1980, and my grandmother, about six to eight years later, if I recall correctly, she passed on.
So really what happened there was my grandmother and I, after my grandfather passed on, decided to put our savings, our life savings, hers and mine, into this addition to the house.
I mean, there must have been a moment when you had a conversation with the grandma and you sat down and you said, Grandma, I need to build an addition onto the house to build all this equipment so we can contact UFOs.
She had a very strong interest in these types of things.
And she had almost a natural psychic ability.
She surprised me a couple of times, really, really seriously surprised me.
And I didn't know she had this ability.
This wasn't something like she would talk about or anything very often.
But she saw one time, it's almost, almost like, or similar to remote viewing, she had an experience with a lady that, okay, this gal was the wife of the manager and owner of the Antrim County Airport at the time.
And she came over to the house and she was troubled by something.
She asked my grandma about it, and I can remember my grandma detailing an incredible detail about an aileron that wasn't, the cable or something controlling the aileron in this plane that was on the ground wasn't bright for some reason.
And she detailed this for her because she was worried about it, okay?
She went back to the airport, this lady, and she checked this plane, and sure enough, there was a problem with that aileron.
Well, with all the incredible land restrictions and things that are going on these days, it's a miracle that we've got some retired folks that are far enough away that either their hearing isn't real good or they don't really worry about it a whole lot.
And matter of fact, here's an interesting story related to that, a brief one, where when I first started doing this stuff, before the room was added on, and there was equipment creeping out into the dining room of the house, in the living room, one of the neighbors stopped over, and he was a farmer kind of guy, and he looks around, you know, and he looks at my grandma and grandpa and the equipment.
And is he into some kind of radio or something?
He looks at this, he can't quite figure it out.
There's racks, floor to ceiling, of course, full of instruments.
I mean, surely people would come over and ask your grandparents whether you had lost your mind or whether they had lost theirs or worried about an explosion or, I mean, when you look at all of this equipment, John, to be honest with you, because of, I understand, the frequencies you're working with, everything is so gigantic that, I mean, to the average person, John, it looks like a madman's laboratory.
John has built what it is very difficult to describe.
He has converted his house in Michigan into this gigantic transmitter, this ultra-low-frequency transmitter designed to attract UFOs.
It really is hard in words to describe what he has done.
The photographs are on my website.
What I would like to do when I begin to take calls here shortly is take calls from those of you who have seen the photographs.
So if everybody else would hold off a little bit, and if you have been fortunate enough to have been to my website and seen the photographs, you will understand the magnitude of what John has done.
Or maybe you've seen him on TV or have seen newspaper articles showing these photographs.
He convinced his grandmother to invest her entire life savings along with his entire life savings, and they converted their entire house into a transmitter.
And we're discussing various aspects of it right now, but I would like to restrict the lines to those who have seen the photographs for now.
So if you would be so kind, everybody just sort of hold off on the phones unless you have actually seen the photographs.
And we'll begin to get calls here shortly.
All right, John Shepard is in Michigan.
He's trying to attract UFOs.
He noticed that UFOs appear to be attracted to power lines, and that has long, of course, been the case.
And so he decided to transmit incredibly high-powered signals down in the Hertz range, around 40 Hertz, in that area.
And in doing so, he has converted his home there, which was, I guess, his grandparents' home, into one mugungus transmitter, the size of which you can only understand if you have seen the photographs on my website.
And I heartily recommend it.
And I am restricting calls in the beginning to those who have seen this, because you've got to see it to believe it.
Actually.
So if you want to call in, please try and view the photographs first.
If not, just sit back and listen.
And you'll get a sense by, I'm sure, what the audience says of the magnitude of what we're talking about.
You know, over all the years we've done this, it would be easy, pretty realistic, I think, to say between $30,000 and $60,000.
A lot of it was hand-made, hand-built, pieces made.
And my grandfather was a tool and eye maker, so he taught me machine shop.
So I was able to machine and make from raw material a lot of the components and parts, taking many years, of course, but saving many thousands of dollars in costs that would normally be prohibited.
All right, so here's this giant room with what is a final tank circuit, and that is the circuit just before you go to the antenna, folks, that literally takes not one floor, but it goes up.
I'm trying to think of what to compare it to visually.
Yes, matter of fact, if you look directly above my head in that photograph, you can see a black column going horizontally, diagonally, horizontally across to a spherical reflector sphere.
Okay, between the two potential sides of the circuit, since it's basically single-fave, but you've got 180 degrees difference between your signal, your output stages in the system.
So it's high as 150 kilovolts.
By that time, though, when you're running it to that high a voltage, you can hear and feel it in the air around you, and you can smell the ozone.
That room, we've got big ventilator fans that's had to add to the room to reduce the ozone concentration.
If I recall correctly from what I have read, and this is kind of what I based it on.
Now, maybe they changed the rules a bit.
They haven't notified me of the fact, but maybe they will, 50 tonight.
But at the time that I did this, I started this, there was like, I think it was up to 14.4 or 24.4 kilohertz that was pretty much unregulated, unlicensed, experimental frequencies.
They were pretty open down there because nobody used them for anything.
They weren't commercially viable, basically.
They weren't used for, except now that they've had Project ELF and some of these other projects for submarine communication.
There had been no real use for that frequency as far as I was aware.
And obviously there's no interference or by now they would have said something.
We haven't caused any problems with local reception or anything like that by being this low in frequency.
Well, I'd like to take that back a few years so I can kind of bring that into a better focus.
Okay.
In the early 60s, when I first got into all this, electrical stuff, in the early to mid-60s, my grandfather was interested in what I did.
And I say he was a two-owned die maker, but he had a fascination with automotive coils and relays and basic things like that.
He wasn't real electronically minded, but he had an extremely good Knowledge of mechanics.
So he was able to build things that I kind of asked him to build.
Like if I needed a rotating spark gap device, he could make it on the lathe machining.
And he taught me, of course, the same thing.
But I started off pretty much with building these things, experimenting with stuff I used to find in the alleys of Detroit.
I used to roam the alleys looking for old radios, old TVs, anything I could find, because I didn't have any real money.
An allowance was $2 a week back then.
So you didn't go out and buy much, and there wasn't even really a radio chef.
So anyway, I started out on that kind of a level with it, and it wasn't long before I was really able to put those components together.
I got, the best way to describe it is I got a feel for the electrical properties of things and how electricity behaved.
I didn't have it written down in formulas.
I didn't have the math to do that.
But I had a feel for it.
And I could put these things together and get certain results.
Sometimes there were some rather amusing moments where there would be an explosion and a pretty black hole in the carpet.
And my grandpa number of times gave me a reprieve from such efforts.
And then I would come back and try it again.
And usually either with the results of a much larger explosion and a bigger hole or a breakthrough.
And that's how it all kind of got going.
And then moving forward a little now into the mid-70s, I still do to this day, have a very good friend by the name of Mike Johnston, who you probably may have had to one time.
He is an artist, a creative person, very, very interesting person.
He and I grew up together, okay?
He and his dad has a cottage next door to this place where I live now with the lab.
And it started out back in about, I think, 72 or 73, just shortly after this station went on the air.
I used to go out with this spotting scope.
I had the same 10-power spotting scope that I saw the object with.
And I'd just go out and look at stuff and play around.
I was just having fun.
And one day they were over next door in the fall burning leaves.
And I just sat down behind a pile of leaves here that were in our yard and I'd watch through the spotting scope.
And I saw Mike.
He was young then too, about my age, actually a little younger.
And I would see him through the heat waves.
And I was kind of just watching him and checking out the neighbors, you know, didn't really know them.
And I got brave enough to the point where I actually walked over and said hello.
And I told him what I was doing.
And at that point, he just seemed to be fascinated.
And we sort of, we struck up a great friendship, just a fantastic friendship.
And ever since that time, we've shared a lot of inspiration, ideas, and things related to a lot of the same areas.
In the sense of a very powerful, kind of very, a very level-headed and down-to-earth kind of person.
He has his feet on the ground, maybe a little firmer than I do, because I tend to get more abstract and more out on concepts and ideas and maybe the art of it or whatever, the far-off concepts of it, where he has that too, but he has his feet maybe rooted a little firmer on terra firma.
But his influence got me into music, basically, got my interests in creative music.
I mean, things that are not so really commercial per se, but are truly artistic expressions that the individual artist expresses himself through, you know, in music.
And there is a mathematic precision, of course, to music.
So it does make sense, I suppose, particularly in view of the fact that yoffos appear to be attracted to these very low frequencies as evidenced by 60 hertz, which is the frequency of transmission lines, electricity in this country, AC.
So it makes sense, I guess, to me, that you're doing what you're doing.
Have you ever, in your opinion, actually brought a UFO down?
In my opinion, and I stress that it's circumstantial.
I make no claims that I've actually done it, but I would say that the circumstantial indications are that there have been a number of times when, in 73 and even in 1972, when these things were attracted to the signals we were sending out.
At that time, of course, the transmitter, the only transmitter on the air, was the 150-watt VMB, vertical marker beacon.
And that was just basically I had an amplifier wired up that would feed back on itself and would pulse and modulate and make all kinds of racket.
That was the best way to describe it.
And then after I got that refined to the point where I could control that racket and actually get exact tones or pulses and given time sequences, then I had a tone pulse transmitter.
And that signal was what I started with.
And then we added, about a year later, I added this song of the Humpback Whale and then music from the group Soft Machine, which was a rather interesting kind of almost fusion electronic jazz group.
And then things just kept going on from there, and I got more and more involved in creating even my own music and signals to send out.
And Mike, by nature, was artistically inclined.
He had a real strong interest in these areas, music and so forth.
And we often played together and created our own music and even in live settings, recorded it, then brought it back and aired it.
So it was kind of like a real grassroots create your own radio program radio station thing.
And you know, it's going to be dealing with some very low frequencies, in fact, even lower than the ones you're fooling with right now, that are thought to be very close to our brain's operating frequency.
And the story we're doing is that of a very, very, very interesting man named John Shepard.
And I'm not sure we should be doing it on radio.
This probably is a story for television because of the visual aspect of it.
I know that not all of you by a long shot have computers and can see the photographs that we've got up on the website.
I've intentionally had them there for several days so that you could see the magnitude of what it is we're talking about.
As a matter of fact, a factor here says it quite well.
Art, the photographs on your webpage are a must.
The visual provided brings his efforts alive.
This is more than obsession.
It's dedication, genius at work.
That's Daryl and Rancho Mirage.
And I absolutely agree with that.
John has converted his entire house to a ultra-low frequency transmitter in the 40 hertz range, running about 1,000 watts, which is a lot of power at that frequency.
Extremely high voltage.
And it looks like the wildest lab that you've ever seen in your whole life.
John looks a Little eccentric perhaps, but sounds and otherwise looks quite normal, and he's trying to attract UFOs with these ultra-low frequencies.
And again, I would ask that only those of you that have seen the photographs call so the audience can get a sense of what it is we're talking about.
Because without this visual, it's really, it's hard to imagine, frankly.
Incidentally, Christy Brinkley was just a guest, I guess, tonight on the Jay Leno show.
And it seems Christy Brinkley just had a UFO encounter of some sort with which the FBI became involved.
Yes, the FBI.
All right, back now to John Shepard.
John, yes, in Michigan.
Again, a lot of people who want to talk to you, John.
What would you say to the people of America about what you're doing?
Well, I think, first of all, I'd express that I'm just an individual who had a curiosity about things that maybe reached beyond the normal realms.
And I followed that curiosity up by actually dedicating and putting forth the effort, time, and money to try to better understand it, to get a better handle on it.
And a strong, what can I say, I had an experience when I was younger that influenced me for the rest of my life, that set me on a course creatively, inspirationally, and technically, to try to get a better look at this fascinating subject.
And ever since, I have not lost my enthusiasm for searching out that mystery.
Due to the economics of all this, just to put it in a quick nutshell, I've had to place the house and the project up for sale.
And it may be a situation where it may be sold to someone.
It's hard to say.
Nothing's happened yet.
It's just in the work.
And that was one of the interesting highlights of trying to do this kind of thing is, you know, you think you can pretty much do just about anything with what you have, but you realize real quick, you realize how expensive it really is.
I would imagine it would be a situation where either the person would have to have the kind of eccentric degree of interest in electronics or in the UFO phenomena, or it's say a movie company or somebody that would want this for some use like that for filming or for studio, for whatever.
Okay, what this Steletron thing is that he built is it picks up the bio senses off a plant, like when you play music on a flower, or is telling how the flower reacts to it and so forth.
This is what this steletron is.
And he took all kinds of different readings off a plant.
And in the article in the commentary that I've seen about this, he talked about being able to point this stellatron up into the sky and pick up all kinds of different types of signals.
And this is the only person I've ever heard of that's using any kind of instruments of this type to get any kind of readings off of any.
Well, he didn't say what did you think of the photographs of what John has done?
unidentified
Well, it was amazing some of the rays he built there, especially the one that was about 18 foot tall, that one addition, that additional room that he had.
I've heard this, and I've been reading this same research with close eyes.
I'm sure.
I think since it stays centered on that frequency, too, may be a cumulative effect, where this sleeps, the frequency keeps changing with the signal modulating it.
The first off, his life sort of reminds me a lot of my own, and I noticed he mentioned he was into what sounds like a prog rocket, progressive rocket, and alternative music.
unidentified
Can you tell me, elaborate on some of the stuff that influenced him in his music?
Starting out early, a lot of the music was things like Religion Soft Machine, Soft Machine, Steen Hammer, Tangerine Dream, the German Dreams Goal kind of groups, FOST.
Matter of fact, that's why we're working with a four to six hour, maybe eight hour maximum transmission period for the big transmitter, the one that sends out the cultural program.
All I've got over the years that I've done this is unusual electromagnetic interference or noise.
Now when I say noise, I'm talking about during the eclipse, one of the recent eclipses, I picked up some kind of electromagnetic interference, possibly related to solar activity or atmospheric disturbances caused by that.
All right, but I guess my question then would be, John, after spending all of these years and the better part of your adult life building and operating this incredible setup and not getting anything tangible back in terms of a signal or an absolute UFO visit other than perhaps the one you described, why do you continue?
There's that one in a million or one in a thousand or one in ten million chance that maybe someday within your lifetime you're going to find that big vein, that mother load.
Have you ever, John, and I don't know how you're set up there, but have you ever heard an echo of your own transmitter immediately after you shut it down?
Matter of fact, there was one case where it was more than immediate.
It was within microseconds.
It was so quick, you would almost say it was a reflection off the ionosphere or something.
It was so fast.
Yes.
Yeah, there's that sort of thing.
I have picked that up, but say an echo at a greater distance, I haven't.
I'm assuming in that, now this is only an assumption, this is proven, that either the atmosphere is absorbing it at that point or it's passing on out into space.
It's doing one or the other, and that would explain maybe why I wasn't picking up an echo.
Well, I would continue the work that I'm doing, but I'd also refine the equipment even more and experiment with some of what the man just mentioned a little earlier there about detecting gravity waves.
And because there's been so much talk lately about stars colliding, supernovas, and all this other kind of very interesting and very influential topic, should it occur, within our lifetimes, it would be nice to be able to maybe detect the gravity waves from in advance, something like this.
They travel hopefully quite a bit faster than the light or the other particles from that kind of explosion or energy relief.
And if I can be of any assistance to you in the future in any way, please let me know.
I'd be glad to help you out technically or here on the air or however, whatever kind of help you can use, because I think you're a very, very special person.
And I guess for now I would say feel free to pass on this information about me to Strange Universe, to Dark Skies, to these groups.
I wouldn't mind maybe getting a facts from you with the contact information for Strange Universe or Dark Skies, but feel free to contact them directly.
And I'd like to say, too, that for your listeners, they'll get a really good look at this, if not sooner, when that program on TBS comes up produced by Very Directions.
Rush, I talked with Rush today, and he said that they tentatively were scheduling it for a Sunday in June 29th on Sunday.
So I guess if you're older, you've got to have money.
Interesting.
Anyway, he goes on.
The balance of the mortgage on the land will be paid off by the leasing party.
I will be paid a sum of money each month for the next 100 years.
Should I pre-decease or die, the term of the lease, the money is then to go to my estate.
If it is feasible based on the leasing party's use of the land, I am to have my remains, upon my demise, return to the U.S. and be disposed of in the whole.
This last item is based on the future use of the whole.
This is incredible.
He goes on, if any commercial use of the land is made by the leasing party, their agents, or any other entity, I am to receive 5% of the gross revenues generated by the land.
This would be in addition to the monthly lease amount.
The lease can be renewed at the end of the term by a request of the leasing party.
I will be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment based on actions of the leasing party, etc.
I'll be indemnified against any damage to the land or environment.
He goes on to say, this is a little hard to read.
There will be no charges of drug manufacturing against me.
I will not be charged with the importation and propagation of non-native plants.
Any materials regarding my research will be returned to me.
Any personal items remaining on the property will be returned to me so long as they do not compromise the security of the property.
In return, I am not to release any photographs, written, or oral descriptions as to location or any information that would compromise the security of the property.
I do not wish to talk to the press.
In my opinion, there is no press other than Art Bell.
If you want to be on the cutting edge, he says Art Bell is a guy sharpening the knife.
Though things were pretty scary at times, everything worked out well.
I'm certain that if I never contacted you to begin with, I would not have been as fortunate as I am today.
It is amazing what can happen over the span of a few days since Friday.
I'm just trying to make it to the end of the month.
Now money will not be a problem for me ever.
Thank you all, and let Mel's Hole enter into that murky territory of urban mythology or conspiracy theory.
This is the end of the trail.
Mel.
P.S. Yes, they will tell me about the true nature of the hole.
No, you will not hear it from me.
So, this appears to be the swan song of Mel.
Maybe.
That came about two minutes prior to airtime.
I received a very cryptic, strange message from my affiliate, I think it's KXLE, up in Washington earlier today.
It's on my answering service.
I'm still not sure what that was all about, but it had to do with Mel's hole.
Then somebody sent me the following.
James Johnson told a very strange story to the Seattle Post Intelligencer back in June of 74.
The Johnson family had just purchased a new home in Tacoma when their St. Bernard began sniffing around what seemed to be a small hole in the backyard.
Thinking he had moles, Johnson ran a 50-foot-long sewer snake down the hole, but he never hit the bottom.
Perplexed, he called a city manager who pronounced the opening to be 31 feet deep.
By this time, the hole had widened and he could see the first few feet were lined with bricks.
The engineer suggested the family fill it with gravel.
To avoid the $500 cost of filling the hole with gravel, Johnson bought, get this, 164 tires from the local St. Vincent dePaul thrift store and tossed them into the hole.
He added an old rug, some boxes, several dog bones to the mix and covered it with a wooden plank given to him by the city.
A year passed without further incident.
But get this, folks, when Johnson decided to install a sundeck, which would have to be built over the hole, he lifted the plank, and much to his surprise, he found the hole had sucked up all the tires.
Johnson decided to research his house's history, and he learned that in the 1920s, the owners had also had a problem with the hole.
They had thrown a large quantity of marble and assorted junk down into it.
Apparently, this show of disrespect angered the hole, for an explosion literally blew everything out, marble and everything else.
The lady living in the house was too frightened to remain and soon moved out.
Another former resident stopped by the house and told Johnson his father had lowered him by rope down the hole in 1922.
While in the hole, something pulled a bucket out of his hands.
The tale of the Tacoma mystery hole quickly spread.
Johnson was inundated with offers from people to explore it.
Finally, he gave permission to one.
They found some strange egg-shaped objects.
On and on it goes with various theories then about the mystery hole in Tacoma.
So, Nell's Hole is not the first mystery hole of this sort, apparently.
Now another.
Art, this may or may not be related to the hole found in Washington, but I want to share nonetheless, back in the spring of 1986, I was stationed in Germany with the U.S. Army.
A fellow soldier who'd been to Germany before took me and one or two other friends castle hunting.
His teenage daughter had a German boyfriend who went with us a lot on these hunts, boyfriend about 15 at the time, told us as we were going to the castle, pronounced like cologne, that a weird well was nearby.
Explained that the man who owned the large land that the hole was in had lost some livestock mysteriously.
Not lost as in where did they go, but as in how did they die.
Apparently the man had owned the land for years never gave much thought to this, quote, well on his land.
He covered it with a wooden lid surrounded by a stone wall.
Sound familiar?
So his livestock wouldn't fall in.
However, livestock still were dying.
Though he explained it was sporadic, that it didn't kill every time they got near it.
Long and shorter is this.
I saw it.
It drained this hole, drained every single flashlight we ever pointed into it.
The dogs, check this, refused to get near it and somehow did something to his sheep or goats, I forget which, that killed them.
I don't know if the owner ever looked into animal autopsies or not find out what killed them, but there were no dead animals while I was there, so I can't comment on that.
Personally, I thought the man was drinking too much and had made most of it up.
I mean, the only thing that struck me out at the time was that our flashlights always drained quickly when we pointed them inside the well.
So there you go.
Another apparent bottomless pit, and I'm getting a lot of these kinds of stories now.
So there it is.
The story of Mel's hole.
Somebody has sent me, by the way, Daryl in Rancho Mirage says, good for Mel and Art Bell.
For Art, he had the courage to talk.
For Mel, he was smart enough to listen.
But wouldn't you love to hear the whole story?
Art, you didn't make his day, you made his life.
Therefore, you now don't have to feel guilty.
That's true.
I was feeling a little guilty because Mel was in so much apparent trouble.
But it does look as though it has worked out well for Mel.
Now, there are those who are saying he has sold out this taking the money and running business.
I don't know that I feel that way, and I know it's easy to sit there as an armchair general and say, what a sellout, to take the money and to run but the alternative might have been to lose his land end up in jail or worse and so I can't you know I'm not going to make the judgment that he has done the wrong thing because to be frank I can't tell you in that situation what I would have done I
I can't tell you.
But it has certainly been a fascinating episode.
Somebody has sent me a list now of 39 reasons why cats are better than men.
This list is in apparent retaliation for a list I read yesterday of actually 40 reasons.
39 were arable.
39 reasons why dogs are better than women, so this list obviously is in retaliation for that.
I will get to it.
Meantime, open lines.
I'll sort of drop a lot of items I've got here, Ian, as we go along.
I'll tell her, you know, hon, this is just the kind of night where we're liable to see something like we saw before.
before I understand they respond to signals I'll begin you know torching the light up there a little bit and she doesn't like it she makes me turn it off she had a very different reaction to seeing what we saw than I did first time call her a line you're on the air hello hello there going once going twice gone like the wind east of the Rockies you're on the air good morning good morning hi this is Lauren from St. Paul Minnesota hello Lauren I wanted to mention that
I've got news for you on cloning and a guest coming up Friday night, Saturday morning, coming up right after the break.
unidentified
I've got news for you on cloning and a guest coming up Friday night, This is TRN and CBC, talk radio network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
And I've been trying to figure out the truly appropriate way to approach it.
And it's not easy to find a guest qualified to speak on cloning.
But I found one.
He is a university professor at Loyola, Dr. Kevin Fitzgerald.
And his background includes the following.
He is a fully qualified geneticist.
He is, brace yourself down, also a Jesuit priest and a bioethicist.
And he will be here Friday night, Saturday morning, and he will talk about this new discovery with regard to the cloning of a lamb, which, of course, is the same technology that would allow the cloning of a human being.
And so here in one person, one university professor, we have all of the disciplines required to address the various aspects of this amazing story.
That'll be Friday night, Saturday morning.
It took me some time to find Professor Fitzgerald and to pursue him.
And I want to thank Michael Lindemann at the 2020 group.
And I called Michael and I said, Michael, this is a monster of a story.
But I want to find a good guest, somebody who would be really qualified.
And that's no easy job.
And Michael Lindemann led me toward Dr. Fitzgerald.
And then I pursued it from there.
So that's coming up Friday night, Saturday morning.
Another man that is extremely interesting and has gone through all sorts of things from remote viewing to much more fantastic things is Carlos Castaneda.
I'm still trying to evaluate what I think about the Philadelphia experiments.
And I think clearly something did occur way back when.
I don't know if it is exactly as Al Bielick described, but I think at least a good portion of it may have been.
Al Bielick was able to describe technically things that made an awful lot of sense and things that would have probably produced the kind of results that early on they claimed they had.
So something occurred, and I can well imagine the U.S. Navy's interest, in fact the Armed Services' interest, in invisibility.
And that's what they were trying to do is produce radar invisibility, in fact optical invisibility.
And to this very day, we continue to pursue the same thing with, of course, stealth technology.
And at a time that our ships were being sunk by German U-boats on a regular basis, you can well imagine they would pursue that with vigor.
So I do think something really did occur with regard to the Philadelphia experiment.
Whether it was in totality, as explained by Al Bielick or not, in detail by Al Bielick, I don't know.
One light that separated and then fell toward Earth, yes.
unidentified
Yes, actually, what we saw was three lights, but he described them as baseball size.
Ours were a little larger.
I describe them as softball side.
It was on a familiar road and my wife pointed them out to me and we went to them and made Well, we followed them, tried to get under them as we were driving.
So he was going to demonstrate his prowess by playing Russian roulette, but the idiot forgot to unload the rest of the bullets, so didn't give himself much of a chance.
I have an interesting theory about UFOs, about their origins that's different, much different than the classical idea that they supposedly came from another planet orbiting another star.
Going by what Carl Sagan, the late Carl Sagan and other well-known scientists would say regarding evolution, they're too much like us to have really originated origin from another planet many trillions of miles away.
So my thinking is it involves physics, different dimensional physics, and evolves our own planet, Earth.
A quick five-second version, and I'll expand on that.
A five-second version would be, could they be intelligent descendants from a dinosaur?
Could they be not so much spacecraft as space-timecraft?
Could they be vehicles from the Earth of a different timeline?
Let me explain.
In other words, what would happen if the dinosaurs, this is my thinking, if the dinosaurs had 65 million more years to evolve?
In other words, if they came from the Earth in which in their timeline, their timeline from their Earth, that asteroid that hit the Earth 65 million years ago, let's say missed the Earth entirely, okay, or hit in the sea and did not generate enough immense gust and debris to have destroyed the dinosaurs.
So to make it simple, let's say that asteroid was on a different trajectory, missed the Earth entirely.
So on their Earth, their Earth of their dimension or their timeline, as I call it, they lived another 65 million more years.
unidentified
Could they have evolved into these humanoid-type shapes, like dinosauroids or humanoids or whatever you want to call them, that we see these things now?
These beings seem to be, assuming they exist, the graves and so forth, they seem to not be able to hug the young of the hybrid that people claim to have seen hybrid between humans and these beings.
unidentified
Although they'll ask women who have been abducted, supposedly, you know, and had little beings, hybrid, being taken from the universe's uteruses and so forth.
Descendant from dinosaurs who were not really killed off in some alternative universe.
Why is that why is that a likely scenario compared to the straight science version of an extinction produced by an asteroid strike?
I mean, it's some pretty good hard science to say that did occur here.
Now, I understand that you're talking about an alternative sort of dimensional evolution.
I suppose so.
It's as good as anybody else's theory.
Hey, guess what?
Arthur C. Clarke, the author of 2001, has authored a new book.
It's called The Final Odyssey.
The Final Odyssey.
I can't wait.
3001.
3001, The Final Odyssey.
Just coming out.
Now I will read that right away, and I'll tell you a little bit about it.
Frank Poole could scarcely believe his eyes.
He had drifted, frozen in space, for nearly a thousand years since Hal, the spaceship discovery's errant computer, murdered him by thrusting him away from his ship.
Now, revived by doctors and regaining his strength, Poole peered down from a room 1,240 miles above the earth.
My God, he cried, looking out at a cylindrical elevator tower.
Now hear me, a cylindrical elevator tower that tapered far, far below all the way down to the African plain.
Then he turned his gaze upward, where the tower stretched to the geosynchronous orbit 22,000 miles high.
Well, there's a lot of research going on about that right now, yes.
unidentified
Well, I've been an electrician for 18 years, and in that time, I've had the opportunity to work in Hollywood, where they have for the movie studios big generating stations on the lot to feed the DC lights.
And in the years that I've worked there, I noticed that out of all the people that worked there, because the generator operators would just sit in that room for 14 hours at a time every day, that I'd say three out of the four had cancer and had to leave their job.
Well, I hate to say it, but there have been studies as well about ham radio operators having a higher incidence of cancer, being in close proximity to electromagnetic fields of large size.
And so there's a lot of ongoing research about all of this, and I can't tell you that I have the answers.
I just know that there are people who are suspicious.
I thought you might want to know that KENS-TV has obtained photographs of a chupacabra captured in a trap just south of San Antonio.
Big news, folks.
A rancher took photos of the beast and brought them to us.
He claims there were three.
One in the trap and two others get this jumping up and down and they ran when he approached.
I will try my best to describe the photos for you.
The creature is about as long as a human leg, pasty white, has ridges on its back like a dragon.
It has two front legs and two rear legs, and at the end of each, two tiny offshoots that I would not call fingers.
I wouldn't call them paws either.
Almost claw-looking.
You can see teeth on the thing, which is draped across the ground in an arc.
The farmer says some men saw him showing the creature and took the photo, took the creature saying they were going to have it stuffed.
He claims to know where the body is, and we are investigating it.
I'll be happy to send you a copy of our story, if you'd like, or send you a video of the Polaroid photos.
Contact me, and it gives me a phone number tomorrow.
I thought you'd want this, though, for your show this morning.
Yours in news, Derek, in San Antonio.
There you have it, folks.
It looks like they may have a chupacabra.
And they may have photographs of the chupacabra.
And they may have a chupacabra body.
Wouldn't this be incredible?
Again, this is a media person, Derek, down in San Antonio, and he's referring to what KENSTV apparently has discovered.
So I would like to know more about this.
As you can imagine, I am going to follow this one up later today.
What are these creatures?
Where are they from?
Why are they here?
Why now?
What's going on?
I'd sure like to know.
Listen to me.
We are going to Alaska.
This is not anybody's Alaskan cruise.
There's lots of typical Alaskan cruises out there, and we'll do all of that, but then we'll take you into the real Alaska.
It begins in British Columbia, Vancouver specifically, a beautiful city.
There we board a brand new princess ship, the Dawn.
The Dawn Princess.
Brand new.
And we're going to, I don't know if you've ever been on a brand new cruise ship, but it is cool.
We'll sail through the famed Inside Passage to Catch Can Juneau, historic Skagway, then up to the face of the towering ice fields in Glacier Bay National Park and majestic college fjord.
That is part of Most or many Alaskan cruises, but you see, here is where ours separates from all the rest.
Take it from me, I know Alaska.
You want to see Alaska, you need to see the interior of Alaska as well.
So, when we get to Seward, Alaska, we go into Anchorage.
There, we board the Princess Cruise Lines, luxurious ultra-dome rail cars, and we travel on the Alaska Railroad to the famed Denali National Park.
After that, we continue on by rail and visit Fairbanks, Alaska.
You have got to come along.
Ramona will be there.
I will be there.
Many others you know will be there.
You'll be allowed to take photographs.
I'll take pictures with you and all the rest of that sort of thing.
I just thought your show tonight was really interesting, and I saw something neat on Discovery this evening where a guy in northern Oregon is going about searching for Bigfoot, and he put, what, like surveillance cameras in the desperate areas where he thought he might find them.
Well, it's along the lines of, for a while we had a link up on my website.
It may still be there somewhere.
I don't know.
A lady who had a haunted house, and she put, I think, seven cameras around her house, including under her bed, and you could access them from the internet, and people could go in and look at this lady's house 24 hours a day and watch for ghosts.
I've got an article here entitled, Dark Dealings in the Vatican.
Although it passed completely without notice in the U.S. press, a bombshell was dropped in Rome last November and continues to send shockwaves that are being felt in political and religious circles worldwide.
Commenting on the growth of evil in the world and the need for the church to appoint more get this, more exorcists to aid the many people who are possessed, obsessed, or disturbed by demonic activity, the archbishop stated, Now the third dimension of evil is the most dangerous.
It is subtle and the most terrible.
I could not believe when I discovered this third dimension of evil.
The third dimension is people who follow instructions in satanic sex.
Now with this third dimension, I'm sorry to say our church belongs to it.
I'm very sorry I could not understand it myself.
And even now I don't understand.
But the only solution that I have is together with Jesus, three years he never changed.
Then I understand the third dimension of evil existed, not only now, but it existed even then because nothing could change the heart of Judas.
Here, a pair of Florida A ⁇ M University researchers have found now deformed Bugs in the North Florida stream, polluted for decades by the Buckeye Florida pulp mill.
The bugs, snow bugs, and mayflies have enlarged or extra structures on their gills.
Oh my deformed bugs.
I wonder how long it's going to take for this to move its way up the food chain.
I just moved from the Bay Area up here, and I heard you advertise that radio from the D-Plane company, and you say you can get the Bay Area, San Francisco on that radio?
I mean, you might catch them, and with enough antenna gain and directionality, you might be able to pick them up, but I think it's going to be a struggle for you.
First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Yeah, hi, Ert.
Tonight I was listening to that broadcast where the guy is talking about the elderly.
Anyway, as I was sitting there listening, some stuff kind of rang a bell for the first time.
I'd seen that movie about that event several times, but nothing ever soaked in.
Anyway, I remembered hearing where people talked about their encounters with UFOs, and the UFOs seemed to be surrounded by some sort of like, what they call a cloud of some sort?
Oh, I thought they meant like a cloud of some kind.
But I was just thinking, well, if it is something like that, could it be that somebody in a different dimension has phased themselves out of their dimension and they come into this one?
I don't know.
Kind of like, you know, the elders disappeared, and the guy said that the only thing he could really see was just like a cloud of smoke, you know, around the outline of the ship.
It could be that dimensional travel is or has associated with it this kind of corona.
And it could be that the key to this kind of travel is the high-intensity magnetic and rotating RF fields as described by Albilic in the Philadelphia experiment.
And you're going to have to speak up because I can barely hear you.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
I was wondering, I know Tuff said experiments with very low sound, like about from 5 to 10 hertz around about that ceiling.
And I was wondering if they've ever followed through with Tesla's experiments that very low frequencies such as that emanate a sine wave and with very strong powers that emanate the cosine wave and where the sine intersects the cosine with the potential.
And I was just wondering if anyone has ever experimented, to your knowledge, with Tesla's laws.
Nel, antennas generally are very efficient when they're operated above water, particularly for reception in lower frequencies like the AM band.
And the opposite is true as well, Nel.
And that means that if you want to transmit, you will notice that some of the most effective AM transmitters are located near large bodies of water, but they are generally above those large bodies of water or adjacent to them to use them as ground reflectors.
Putting an antenna underwater would not, it seems to me, be a very efficient way to operate, whether it's in Australia or here.
So you've got it close to right, Mel.
You want an antenna up above or adjacent to water, and it makes a wonderful reflector.
But putting it underwater, not to the best of my knowledge, Mel.
I mean, Will.
This is CBC, and we'll be right back.
unidentified
Well, I think it's time to generate To realize what I am now I have to be the only care of what I am Thank you.
This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
It'll stay open lines now through the end of the program.
And I'm very, very glad you're along for whatever this ride turns out to be, and I never know night to night.
All right, this is kind of an interesting letter that relates to a lot of what we're discussing this morning.
See what you think.
Dear Mr. Bell, I've been a listener to Dreamland for about three years.
I'm also a pilot and flight instructor and a veteran of U.S. Air Force Intel.
I was in the 4602nd AISS in the late 1950s, whatever that is.
I'm certain you've heard of this unit.
No, I haven't.
Like you, I've had one UFO sighting, been a member of MOVON since 1986, and continue to be interested in the subject.
However, I'm also somewhat skeptical of many so-called ufologists who have emerged in the last several years.
What prompts me to write to you is a rather unusual phenomenon, which I've been experiencing since early December of 96.
At first, I thought it was a low hearing problem or a hearing problem because I've been hearing low frequency noise coming from my apartment.
Not finding anything, I asked the neighbors, and finally the local electric company.
Within days, I noticed I was hearing the noise, a low pulsating hum, varying in intensity and pattern, but not frequency, while hiking west-north and northeast of Tucson at distances of up to 15 miles apart.
I thought something was amiss with my hearing, so I consulted an audiologist, a specialist here in town.
I received a comprehensive hearing test, an acoustic reflex test.
The doctor's equipment was able to test a person's hearing down to 125 Hertz.
What I was hearing, and I heard it during the tests as well, was below the capacity of his equipment, probably in the area of 20 to 80 hertz.
He concluded, and I concluded, the noise was not internal, but external.
The doctor mentioned to me that he had received telephone calls from three other people during the last month from divergent locations around Tucson, all reporting the same kind of sounds.
Also during a trip last week to Prescott, Arizona, 200 miles north of here, I heard the same sounds on two occasions when I was a mile or so outside of town.
Another local audioologist told me that similar hearings were reported last year from the Santa Fe, Taos, New Mexico area, and the source was perhaps the Hughes Missile Systems and or U.S. military.
Frankly, I suspect a similar source for what I've been hearing.
I understand the U.S. military was involved in the 1960s in ELF radio transmissions to submerged submarines around the world from a huge antenna array located in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
I lived in southern Michigan for many years and heard these accounts from time to time.
I'm told that normal human hearing is 20 to 20,000 hertz.
However, most people cannot hear what I hear.
I'd like to know whether you are aware of any military and or corporate low-frequency experiments going on during the last month or two.
Larry from Tucson, Arizona.
Larry, we've got a buzz going on here where I live right now.
There is some kind of low-frequency something that is being heard and felt by people in my valley, the Brump Valley.
Indeed, there was such an occurrence ongoing in New Mexico.
So I thought I would toss that out for anybody out there who has also heard what Larry has heard.
I mean, I know you guys have been talking about possible alien life and everything like that, but I feel, honestly, I feel that there's no life out there besides what we have here on planet Earth.
Because it just doesn't seem possible that there's anything else.
I mean, you look into the stars, you look out there, and I mean, there's a lot out there, but it's just so impossible to even, you know, fathom that there's life out there.
So, I mean, why is it hard for you to imagine that there would be life elsewhere?
unidentified
Well, the only reason why I imagine that I feel this way is because if you look at a human, like with computers and everything, it is so hard to even produce something that is even slightly intelligent.
It would take, oh my gosh, it would just be so hard to even...
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
We're a fluke of nature, is what I'm saying.
It would just be, it's so impossible for it to even happen anywhere else.
God doesn't even know what happened here, is my opinion.
I appreciate your opinion, and you could be correct.
But wouldn't it be sad and lonely to look at all those stars with all those planets and imagine the only place that life, intelligent life, has evolved, would be here?
Well, I do, somewhere, because I consider myself extremely open-minded in comparison to when I look around at other people's responses to certain things, especially when I have talks with people about things that I hear on your show.
I think it's more likely that there is life than not.
unidentified
Yes.
Basically, anybody that can think that it's just not possible that, you know, considering what all we must have gone through to evolve to the point that we're at, you know, I think if you really did look at the big picture of things, philosophically speaking, you would have to be an extremely egotistical person to think that.
Because in the big scheme of things, we really don't amount to a hill of beans, if even that.
And I don't know.
It's just the skeptics like that, I appreciate them, though, because it makes the grasp of the information have to be that much more solid.
Well, in that case, you might want to know that modeling myself after the president, I have adjacent to my studio a bedroom where my uplink transmitter is located.
We call it the uplink room.
And we're going to be auctioning off opportunities to sleep in the uplink room.
Yeah, you know, Carl Sagan, some years ago, I remember hearing him say something about, talk about all the millions and billions and billions of stars out there.
The only thing that I have wondered aloud about, and I will wonder aloud about it again right here, is that our planet absolutely is irradiating and has been for many years now, all kinds of RF energy that would easily escape the ionosphere.
FM, television, microwave, all kinds of things that would be by now light years and light years out.
And one would imagine that many evolved intelligent civilizations would at least go through a period where they would emit our energy.
Now, we should have, it seems to me, received some kind of signal by now.
And we have not.
Actually, that's not true.
SETI has received signals they cannot account for.
But nothing that you would expect to receive, for example, from Earth several light years out.
The Russian woodpecker was, we believe, an attempt at over-the-horizon radar.
The ability to look over the horizon and get a return as you would in radar normally.
And for years and years, the Russians polluted the shortwave frequencies with this thing called the woodpecker.
And it was really a pain in the neck for hams because the Russians, of course, did not respect amateur frequencies, and their stupid woodpecker was all over the place.
But in recent years, I have not heard it, so I presume, well, actually, without the money, they probably had to turn the damn thing off.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
You're listening to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Listeners west of the Rockies can call ART toll-free by dialing 1-800-618-8255.
If you're east of the Rockies, the toll-free number is 800-825-5033.
If you've never called ART before, you may use the first-time caller line at Area Code 702-727-1222.
And the wildcard line is Area Code 702-727-1295.
When you get through, let it ring, and ART will answer your call in order on the air.
This is the CBC Radio Network.
This is the CBC Radio Network.
I am.
Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
That's 702-727-1295.
First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
702-727-1222.
Now, here again, Art Bell.
Super Sabra, por fin, no, la canina y yo, en México, desde Puerto Rico, Nicaragua, eres Super Sabra.
Now, I'm going to ask you to do me a favor And not call the KENS Television newsroom.
But I just did on the advice of a listener because they confirmed it.
Here is the first report I got.
Hello, Art.
This is Derek in San Antonio.
And I thought you'd want to know that KENS Television has obtained photographs of a chupacabra captured in a trap just south of San Antonio.
A rancher took photos of the beast and brought them to us.
He claims there were three, one in the trap and two others jumping up and down as they ran when he approached.
I will try my best to describe the photos for you.
The creature is about as long as a human leg, pasty white, has ridges on its back like a dragon.
It has two front legs and two rear legs, and at the end of each, two tiny offshoots that I would not call fingers, but I wouldn't call them paws either.
Almost claw-looking.
You can see teeth on the thing, which is draped across the ground in an arc.
The farmer says some men saw him showing the creature and took it, saying they would have it stuffed.
He claims to know where the body is, and we are investigating.
I'll be happy to send you a copy of our story if you'd like it, or send you a video of the Polaroid pictures.
Contact me at.
He gives me a number.
I thought you'd like this information.
Well, I read that, as I do many things I get.
Then I got this.
Art, I just got off the phone with someone at the KENS television station, and she confirmed the story.
She said the creature has been taken to Austin, so they have it, for further analysis.
They have the video, but they cannot yet release it.
The phone number for the newsroom is blah, blah, blah, if you want to call them.
I know that meteors re-entering would produce all kinds of different colors, obviously, depending on, you know, as they burn in the atmosphere, depending on what they're made of.
By the way, we don't get your last hour in this area, so any responses I wouldn't be able to hear on the air.
But I'm calling for a couple of reasons.
First of all, regarding your caller, or your, I'm sorry, your guest earlier tonight, where he's trying to attract UFOs.
Strange Universe about a month or so ago had a segment where a man devised a technique for filming the sky where he would put his camera just underneath an overhang, for example, just to barely block the sun.
And both he and Strange Universe were able to disfoot.
And the second thing was a possible reason for the government wanting to suppress any possible discovery from Mel's now leased hole is an article from February 1965 Flying Sauces magazine entitled Earth's Center of Gravity Up or Down, where they dug a couple, or they had a couple mine shafts that were connected by a tunnel.
These mine shafts were over a mile long, and they hung a plumb bob, a weight, with both metallic and non-metallic weights and winds and cables, and because they thought it might be affecting the outcome, but it never did.
What they discovered was that at the bottom, these weights were actually further apart always in every experiment than they were at the top of the shaft.
So this led them to believe that Earth's center or decenter of gravity was 4,000 miles approximately from Earth's surface at any point because they found this no matter where they discovered it.
So maybe they're trying to suppress our understanding of the nature of gravity.
Mel is now set for life, he says, which is certainly a better situation than he had the other day when he was worried about getting arrested and losing his property, having it confiscated, and having somebody say that he had some sort of drug lab on the property.
The difference is with this, though, is that I found, because of the properties of what it does, I used to have trouble where the radio would bleed into the computers, and the computers would bleed into the radio.
I hooked this thing up, they don't touch each other.
I just got sick and tired of everybody complaining about, oh, there's too much static.
I can't hear anything.
And then they complain about every time I hear them transmit on sideband with audio, I can hear the static coming in with them.
So when I put this in line, it was like certain people, key individuals that I told to build one, they put it in line.
And actually, it seemed like it tripled their audio output.
And it also, their receive was more sensitive.
And I even got it.
I've got some friends that run Ham Radios.
They did the same thing.
And a guy said, God, I can't believe what, you know, I'm in these upper freaks and I have all these, I'm running these two meters or whatever, and I'm listening, and usually I get all this static, and I have to filter it out with my special filters.
We're dealing here with electromagnetic radiation.
Now, salt water in a container would to some degree serve certainly as an artificial ground.
That much is reasonable and true.
The addition of opposing magnetic fields within that, I can imagine, would have some sort of very, very interesting.
I'm still contemplating what that man had to say.
At first, it did not make sense, and then suddenly it began to sink in.
And I wonder if any of the rest of you with a technical background would care to comment by facts or email to me on what that man just said about an artificial ground of a sort I've never heard of before.
Definitely intriguing.
All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Good morning.
Good morning, Douglas, Sarasota.
Good job interviewing that man just now with the water and the magnet.
The first thing I noticed was that this lamb is now seven months old.
Okay?
So what you had said was you thought probably there were other experiments going on.
Yes.
And now they didn't tell you until the lamb's seven months old, and they have turned it out so it's, you know, got free range with other animals instead of just keeping it isolated, which makes me think also that there's more stuff going on out there.
There have been various predictions made, of course, about what is going to be found under the paw of the Sphinx.
There have been some archaeological and X-ray studies that have shown that there are areas to explore and things to see that we have not yet seen.
But the Egyptian authorities thus far, and probably until 1998, late 97 or 98, are not going to allow any further explanation or exploration, I mean to say.
I was telling the caller that there is an arrangement.
Just be patient.
It will be apparent.
unidentified
Good.
Okay, great.
I wanted to talk directly to that caller that said that we were the only creatures of our type in the universe.
Yes.
I was exasperated when I heard it.
If he ever took a look at the Hubble deep field that they took a picture of with billions of galaxies to behold, trillions of stars each.
I know.
And I think I know what the whole thing is, what the whole universe is made of, God and everything.
It seems like to me that it is as dense as it is.
It's made up of protons and neutrons and what have you, and all the laws that govern the molecular structure, the molecules and the atoms and the compounds, and everything that goes into that soup, the weak force, the strong force, the magnetic force, the gravity, all of that is what governs the building blocks that turn into proteins and the stuff that we're made out of.
And there is no actual God.
The actual physical force, physics of the universe, is actually where the God comes in.
Now, there seems to be such an elaborate amount of people, places, and things in the universe, in other words, aliens and different civilizations, that's what we see as our gods, because they probably come here,
they've planted life, they've nurtured us along, you know, there's like stories behind all these things, and we've turned it into some vast religious thing, and we need to have a higher consciousness about it.
It doesn't make sense that we stick to these religious views so strongly.
Couldn't it be a God from another part of the galaxy that plants us here?
We call it God, but it's not really a God of everything, like the God of our galaxy, let's say, or our part of the galaxy, or this part of the universe?