Whitley Strieber joins Art Bell to warn about the Larsen Ice Shelf’s collapse—accelerating Antarctic freshwater flow and risking Gulf Stream disruption, turning Europe into a Greenland-like climate within decades—while linking it to 1995 Berlin summit inaction on CO₂ despite Maldives’ 10-foot-elevation crisis. He highlights undetected asteroids, like the 1996 JA1 civilization-ending object found just four days before a near-miss, contradicting a 1992 Newsweek claim of no threats for 200 years, and speculates on extraterrestrial observation or non-intervention amid human-induced fragility. Strieber’s denied epilepsy claims clash with Philip Klass’s theories, while callers tie events to biblical prophecies and core anomalies like Earth’s crystalline structure. The urgency suggests gradual but irreversible planetary shifts, not a single apocalypse. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm Mark Bell, and we are going to be speaking shortly with Whitley Streeber.
Really, there should be no introduction necessary for Whitley.
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And he's going to be here this morning talking about two things of great concern to many people.
One of them, the possibility of an asteroid strike on Earth punctuated by an NBC movie coming out, I believe this coming Sunday and Monday in tandem.
And so much concern, so much sudden concern about the possibility of an asteroid striking Earth as we find more and more of them that are crossing our orbit.
We're also going to talk about the breakup of the Larson Ice Shelf in the Antarctic.
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But the actual truth is that the technologies that we're using now have been in place for quite a while.
They're not all that new.
The particular Air Force telescope that's being used by JPL now has been being used by JPL to track near-Earth asteroids for the past year is a technology that's been in use since I think the late 80s.
Or are we actually, as you pointed out, moving into an area, and we do move, everything is moving, where there's simply thousands of years ago, there was many strikes, there were many strikes on the Earth.
The Moon, I mean, look at the Moon, it's a mess.
Are we moving back into this?
And if we are, could it be that suddenly there will be many Earth-crossing asteroids that we ought to worry about?
We have had, just in the past three or four years, and bear in mind that this started sometime before we began to gear up to watch for these things.
First of all, quite a number of new comets began to appear, among them Hayakatake and the infamous Hail Bob.
And in addition to that, we had objects like Chiron pass quite close to the Earth.
Then in 1995, we had a small object pass within 60,000 miles of the Earth.
In 1996, there were two, the most notable of which was 1996 JA1, which was large enough to have ended civilization.
It wouldn't have extincted life on Earth, but human civilization would not have survived this impact.
It would have been too large.
It was discovered four days before it passed so close to the Earth, 270,000 miles away, that its orbit was actually perturbed a little bit by Earth's gravity.
The other thing that has worried me, Whitley, and maybe you can comment on this, I recall the Associated Press reporting typically a couple of years ago, well, Earth had a close encounter with an asteroid day before yesterday.
Well, the solar system is a real complicated place, and it has got a cloud of comets very far in the outer solar system, some of which occasionally will come into an orbit that traverses the near solar system.
These are the ones we see.
Closer in, between Mars and Jupiter, there is a group of asteroids, a large area of asteroids, which some have theorized are the remains of a planet that broke up in prehistoric times because of for whatever reason.
Others have other ideas about what may have caused this asteroid belt, but it's there.
And again, sometimes objects come into this belt into an orbit close to the inner planet, such as Earth.
However, there's also the possibility that there are larger clouds of debris that are orbiting in such big orbits that we're unaware of them.
And this is what concerns me, that we may be moving into an area that is dirtier than areas that we've experienced in the recent past.
The more usual case is an object that will come in at an angle and plane across the planet's atmosphere.
There was one in, I believe, August of 1972, which was photographed and filmed all across the northwestern United States, quite a large object that planed through the atmosphere in broad daylight, creating a very bright display.
It would have been very dangerous if it had been a perpendicular strike, but since it moved through the atmosphere the way it did, it simply burned itself up.
What would happen, Whitley, if something, one of these planet-sized killers, say a mile in size, were to plane through the atmosphere?
Is there not some thinking that there was once an atmosphere on Mars and that what may have killed the atmosphere on Mars might have been something exactly like that?
It might not have hit Mars, or it may have, but it could have planed through the atmosphere, literally destroying the atmosphere as it went?
Well, it could have, that would have had to have been something along the lines of a gigantic meteor swarm.
And we've never been hit.
We've been hit by some very dramatic meteor showers, but nothing like that.
You know, it's interesting that just how much debris actually is absorbed by the planet is a couple of tons a day of material from outer space actually comes into the atmosphere in one way or another, whether it's in the form of meteor strikes, which are just virtually constant.
Well, you know, the National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Townsend's organization, Peter called me the other day and said that there was just an exceptional number of meteors being reported worldwide and that they were orange fireballs with green tails, which is one type of meteoric pattern.
But the interesting thing about these is that they're incoming from all different directions of the compass, meaning it's not an organized shower.
We are apparently, yes, in a period of high activity.
Let's run down the third.
We didn't talk about the third type of strike, which is this is similar to the object that hit Jupiter a few years ago, which as it came into the proximity of Jupiter, it went into a degrading orbit around the planet and then disintegrated into a string of objects and then impacted the planet in series.
Yeah, exactly.
And that is the kind of thing that's more likely to happen.
An object called an Arjuna, which will follow the planet's orbit and be captured by the gravity and go into a degrading orbit.
And you would have plenty of warning of that in the sense that the object would be very visible for a period of weeks or days as it came slowly closer and closer and closer.
It is also thought that comets and or asteroids might be the seeders of life, that they may in fact carry the basic building blocks of life from one part of the cosmos to another.
I think we're learning that the universe is interlinked in all kinds of extraordinary ways.
And if the Mars rock that we have does indeed have tiny particles of life on it, it could be, for example, that there has been, we're going to go to Mars and find life forms that are familiar to us here because of the fact that the two planets have been trading bits of debris so often in the distant past that they in effect seeded
each other.
It's a very interesting story about the Venus flytrap, I believe, that is an unusual plant that lives in a small valley, I think only in one place in the world, in Rhode Island or somewhere, some unlikely spot like that,
that is so genetically different from everything else on the planet that it's been theorized it may be, have been, I mean just sort of jokingly theorized, that it may have been something that dropped via a meteor.
I think that that movie that was made about the man-eating plant that was made eventually into a musical was based on that idea where that story was current in the newspapers.
Yeah, I'm saying if, if we had noticed that such an asteroid was headed to Earth, probably as they're going to depict in this NBC movie coming up, would you think that we would be better off knowing that it was coming, having some warning, or would mankind subjectively be better off not knowing, just having it happen?
I do know this, that when there is a great catastrophe, people tend to band together.
The kind of wild mayhem that is sort of predicted conventionally in the movies and so forth doesn't happen.
But the problem is it also crossed, I thought about this a lot.
I worked at one point on A novel about this very subject.
And I thought to myself, what would I really do?
Are there things that I might want to just do?
In other words, could I go wild under those circumstances?
And the answer is, frankly, yes.
I'd still want the warning, but I think that it would cross every mind on the planet that, hey, I've got 10 days or a month or three months, and after that, it's over.
I'll tell you a very, very interesting story that one of my listeners told me about how the credit card companies would handle it if one of those killer asteroids were headed for the Earth, because she actually picked up the phone and called the credit card company, and they gave her an answer, and it was kind of intriguing.
I'll tell you about it when we come back from the break.
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We're discussing the possibility, or perhaps the probability, or the inevitability, that eventually something, a big hard rock, generally called an asteroid, is going to strike Earth.
Are we moving into an area where there are more of them, when it becomes more likely?
Whitley says, perhaps so.
And Whitley, I want to tell you a story, if I might.
One time we did a sort of a speculative show about asteroids, this was some number of years ago.
And a lady on our behalf the next day called one of the major credit card companies.
I won't name it.
She wanted to know what their attitude would be if we had several days or even weeks of warning of a major asteroid, a life-ending asteroid, hitting the Earth.
And the credit card company, to their benefit, took it seriously.
And they went to the management.
And the management called the lady back and said, well, I guess our attitude would be we'd let everybody run their cards up as much as they wanted based on the following.
If the asteroid hit, it would end all life, so everything would be academic.
Who cares?
But on the at least outside probability, the asteroid would not hit, they would then have a great deal of money coming from the American public who had been on a giant binge.
I think the longer the warning, the more probably bizarre behavior and less panic there would be because I think people would try to be very hard to accommodate one another's last wishes.
I think a lot of us would be doing things that weren't socially acceptable.
I think that society would change very profoundly under those circumstances, and that we would probably find out whole new things about each other and about mankind that we had not known before and would take that to our graves as well.
Is it possible, Whitley, at least 50% possible, I've always considered, that they would be benign, friendly, and that if something of that catastrophic sort were about to occur, that these beings would step in, and that would be a great time for them to help us, wouldn't it?
Well, there's one way of looking at histories that suggests that from time to time they have stepped in to human life.
It might be that that would happen.
It might be that, well, for example, there are plenty Of asteroids out there large enough to eliminate all life on Earth completely, totally eliminate it.
In all of the billions of years that there has been life on Earth, that has never happened.
But then, again, you know, you think that throughout the history of the planet, there's every evidence that this, when it's happened, it's happened kind of at random.
When I was working on the secret school, one of the most interesting things that happened was memories of a series of visions that suggested that impacts were central to the whole process of evolution on Earth.
Because what in the past has happened when they've occurred is that afterwards, instead of you'd think that after one of these tremendous disasters, when life was just almost totally wiped out, that what would come next would be things building up from the satier level and simple creatures starting all over again from scratch.
You know, the prophets, when you look at the prophets, like Laurie Toy and others, it is their view that when this asteroid hits, sadly, I'm sitting here, I think, in Prump, in southern Nevada, according to the Prophets, ground zero.
Southern Nevada is supposed to be the place, and generally, if you look at the theme of a lot of motion pictures, Las Vegas generally gets wiped out by whatever it is.
Well, there's where that's the religious angle, because I think a lot of people feel that if any place deserves to get wiped out, Whitley, it's sinful Las Vegas and southern Nevada.
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, Whitley, but as a matter of fact, Las Vegas casinos with floods and earthquakes and even civil disruption when there was a giant crowd after the big riots in L.A., there were riots going on as well in Las Vegas.
And as the crowds approached downtown Las Vegas, the rioting crowds, trust me, Whitley, people were in there pulling the handles on the machines, and everything went on roughly as normal.
It's the one thing that seems to not be disturbed at all.
It's strange.
It's a strange psychology.
At any rate, Whitley, I think it is important to understand, have you personally come to the conclusion that we are coming into an area of space that is littered, if that's the right word, with more of these giant objects?
Well, there's a possibility that that's the case, and I come at this from a totally different perspective in the sense that one of the things that I look at is the following.
Approximately 12,000 years ago, about halfway, exactly halfway around the zodiac from now, something happened to this planet.
I don't say that there was an impact, because I can't say that for certain, but something happened to this planet, something that changed things fundamentally, and they've stayed changed.
I'll tell you what I mean.
The northern Arctic, from Siberia through Alaska, for example, is full of the frozen remains of mammoths and other large animals, not particularly fast-moving animals, that got caught in some kind of very, very sudden change.
These animals are found routinely with food still in their mouths, with grasses and things in their stomachs that have not grown in that area since the day they died.
They find frozen trees like they found once in Alaska, in the north slope of Alaska, an apple tree frozen in bloom.
So it may be that one fine June day, with everything blooming and life seeming to have no end and being beautiful, that it would suddenly, without warning, simply end.
Well, I think that it is my contention, as you know, and you may want to address this, that we are in decline, period, socially, economically, politically, in every single area of human endeavor, Whitley, we are in decline.
And at the same time, the economies of many parts of the world are getting much more complex.
People are getting richer.
It's in South America, in Asia, all over the world.
Inside of 10 years, if only the prosperous, the middle class, the upper class in China get automobiles, that will mean that there will be 100 million new cars in China that aren't being used in China, that are not being used in China right now.
And at some point, something basic in the system is going to stop working.
Getting back to this other thing, the fact is that we don't really know what the zodiac is.
We do know this.
It's a calendar which measures a 26,000-year cycle divided up into 12 2,140-year segments, which are the various houses of the zodiac.
We know also that the event that I was just describing happened approximately halfway down the zodiac from now.
Is the zodiac a calendar made by somebody who was so utterly destroyed by whatever happened back then that we have only the most shadowy memory of their existence in the legends of things like Atlantis that was intended as a warning about some kind of a cycle?
Is that why the transition from Pisces to Aquarius is one of the most dramatic ones in the zodiac and predicts more change?
In other words, you go from a water sign to an air sign at this point.
There's only one other place in the zodiac where there is so dramatic a change, and that's 12,000 years ago, the other end of it.
Was it intended to warn us that the same dramatic change could happen now because there's some kind of a 12,000-year cycle involving a very dirty area of space?
Whitley, we've only got a couple of minutes before the top of the hour, but another topic we wanted to cover this morning is absolutely what's going on in the Antarctic.
Now, a lot of people have talked about rising ocean levels and that kind of thing, and I think just from the Larson ice shelf, there is not going to be a big problem in that area.
All right, I want to give everybody a chance as we go into the news and before we come back and really talk about this.
I found a website that has photographs of the Larson ice shelf and the changes that occurred.
And this is, gee, a couple of years old now.
But if you want to go up there and take a look, my website, which also has access to Whitley's website, will get you, as you'll see there, to photographs of what we're about to talk about, the Larson ice shelf.
And so I would recommend you go on up there and take a look.
It's one of the lead items, and it's what we're going to be talking about when we come back.
So if you have a computer, point it toward my website, www.artbell.com.
And as usual, we've got the goods for you up there.
And if you want to see what it looks like, I believe it's a United Kingdom website you're going to be linking to.
You just click on that and you'll go zooming across the ocean.
And there, my friend, will be the Larsen Ice Shelf.
And you will see changes that occurred up until a couple of years ago.
Just wait until you hear what's going on now.
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My guest is Whitley Streeber.
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We're talking about asteroids, and we're talking about the Larson Ice Shelf, and we're going to touch on asteroids once again, then proceed into what's going on, and it's very serious, in the Antarctic.
And if you want to see what's going on, we've got a link on the webpage to a location in England, Great Britain, which has photographs of the Larson ice flow there.
And it's quite amazing.
You've got to take a look.
It's on my website, www.artbell.com, and you can also link to Whitley's from there, Whitley's website.
Well, all right.
We're about, in fact, we'll go back to Whitley right now.
Whitley Streeber near San Antonio, Texas.
Whitley, before we completely leave the subject of asteroids, I've got several facts, and maybe it'll clear things up for some of the general public that doesn't follow this.
For example, Brian in Salt Lake City says, please ask Whitley why an asteroid hitting the Earth would create the same destructive power as 50,000 tons of TNT.
There's no way to know whether or not that's true at the present time.
We do seem to be seeing more objects than we've seen in the past, though, especially with regard to comets.
And comets being very visible, we are certainly recording the appearance of any number of new comets just presently.
I don't think it's fair to conclude that there are more objects like asteroids and meteors out there now than there have been previously, but it's also true that there's no way to know for certain.
I think Whitley will agree that there may be a, quote, conditioning, end quote, effort underway with regard to UFOs.
Could this also be occurring with regard to a possible asteroid hit?
NBC's two-part asteroid movie was preceded last week by three minutes to impact on the Discovery Channel.
There is an upcoming NBC special titled Asteroids Deadly Impact at the end of February.
TBS will be hitting us with fire from the sky in March.
And earlier tonight, CNN reported that scientists think that the meteor that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago might have actually hit off the coast of Florida.
Is somebody trying to condition us for the possibility of a disaster that most of us can't even imagine?
Well, in addition to that, last month in the popular science cover story was about, oh no, I'm sorry, it was about the ice.
The New Yorker had a cover story about the possibility of an impact as well.
It's really on people's minds right now to an extraordinary degree.
It's quite true.
And it's funny the way it's happened like that.
I know that there's a lot about it in my book, too.
I mean, I don't know why that would be.
I'm certainly not part of any, consciously part of any conditioning effort, and yet a good third of my book is about this subject.
Why that would be?
I was even writing a novel, as I said earlier, about an impact, and I stopped because there seemed to be so much about it already that my novel would be all old hats.
i don't honestly know i mean it's a very strange thing and i would be very interested to get a group of the people who have been That's why they always start.
People decided to write about this or to make films about it and so on.
Everyone seems to have decided to do it at the same time.
I don't feel like I was part of any conditioning process.
My guess is that none of the writers do, but somehow or another we've all ended up doing this at the same time.
Well, it's not known until now, Whitley, but this has been nagging at me for a number of years.
And for about the last eight months, I've been working nearly on a daily basis on a book that is going to be coming out in a couple of months called The Quickening.
We are in a society that can't prosper without expanding at a time when expansion is beginning to become impossible.
And therefore, things have got to change.
Sure.
And it is absolutely not going to be like this in 50 years, no matter what the agency of change is.
I hope it will be peaceful change, but there are so many things out there.
And as the human population gets larger and makes more and more demands on the planet, in a sense, the whole planet becomes more fragile because any we could have absorbed a pretty significant impact in an isolated part of the world 50 years ago or 100 years ago, but there aren't any isolated parts of the world left anymore.
Nothing is isolated.
Everything is interconnected.
Everything is important.
Everything is needed.
And in that sense, it's much more fragile because like the type of object I was just describing a few minutes ago, the 12 megaton, something like that hits the planet about every 50 or 100 years.
It's the Tunguska explosion, if you accept that it was an incoming object, was a comet or asteroid of some kind, was that type of object, about that size.
And they're rather common.
I mean, they're not uncommon at all.
Objects the size, 300 feet across, hit the planet every 5,000 years or so.
If an object like that, a 300 foot across object, hit the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, there would be tidal waves all around the rim of the Atlantic, ranging upwards of 250 to 300 feet.
I think you and I talked about this, or I may have mentioned it, but I got the following facts.
Hi, Art.
I was wondering if you've read the instructions that come with the new emergency broadcast system, or whatever they call it now.
According to Carl Wigglesworth of WOAI in San Antonio, Texas, they give the reasons for having the emergency broadcast system as, one, nuclear war, and two, impending asteroid collision with Earth.
I got that facts, too, and tried to call Carl today and find out more about this.
I missed him, unfortunately, on the phone.
That would be a change, a major change in the emergency broadcast protocols, if that's the case, because that would be something new on the one hand.
On the other hand, you can always say that Edward Teller has been beating the drum since the early 90s for developing some kind of screen to protect us from asteroids, and he suggests that we develop an atomic bomb or a hydrogen bomb ten times more powerful than anything we have now.
In other words, we keep him and all of his people in the nuclear community at work doing this.
So it could be that the drum is sort of being beaten by people who see their employment running out because the Cold War is ending and want to shift into another area.
And they see very truthfully that this is a useful area that they could shift their talents to.
Well, at the same time, I mean, it wouldn't cost very much to build a space guard system, and it's something that, in all probability, would never be used.
But if it did become necessary, we'd wish we had done it if we didn't have it.
Because there is a mechanism that has been identified, a probable mechanism, by which the oceans are periodically, dramatically changed in their salinity, apparently because of melting ice.
And it has been thought in the past that these changes were slow.
The process was slow.
But it has been discovered that changes in the temperature of the planet of up to 7 degrees Celsius occur routinely over a 3 to 4 decade period, a 30 to 40 year period.
For example, if this diluted water is moved up by ocean currents into the North Atlantic, it could change the direction that the Gulf Stream flows in.
And if that happened, it could really just very quickly transform Norway and England into climates that are similar to the climate of Greenland.
That is the worst case scenario.
Nobody thinks that would happen.
But nobody knows.
The point is, we are, I think, playing with fire when we allow situations like this to occur because of apparently because of emissions, carbon dioxide emissions being made by man.
Well, there have been any number of attempts to stop.
130 nations got together in Berlin in April of 1995 to discuss limiting carbon dioxide emissions to prevent catastrophes like this.
They did nothing.
The Maldive Islands and some of the other, the Comoro Islands, I believe it was, begged the other nations to do something about this because these countries are in danger of disappearing.
They're in danger of being completely inundated in this.
The president of the Maldives went and his country's highest point is 10 feet above sea level, so you can see why he's concerned.
Of course.
And there has been very little response.
There was an Earth Summit conference in Rio in 1992.
Interestingly, Whitley, there is presently a new regulation being contemplated by the EPA that would shut down lawnmowers and people out doing barbecues and all that sort of thing.
In other words, really getting strict.
But what they're saying is, look, we're not living up to the present regulations we have.
There's absolutely no point in piling on new regulations that nobody's going to abide by anyway.
It's ridiculous lawmaking, feel-good lawmaking, because we're not going to change.
And if we're not going to change, then what's coming is inevitable, isn't it?
If snow melts and things like the collapse of this ice shelf cause a decline in the salinity of the ocean, it is going to change ocean currents dramatically.
And we're going to lose a lot of crop-growing areas as well as possibly have situations occur, as has happened many times in the past in Earth's history, where there are sudden changes in the climate, especially in the northern latitudes, that render areas that are now inhabited uninhabitable.
Whitley, on top of the ice shelf about to crack up, break off, and what then, I suppose, melt, we've got additional ecological changes like the frogs with many legs and eyes where there ought not to be and all kinds of awful things going on.
And I'm not a tree hugger, Whitley.
You know, I've always been pretty much a political conservative economically and socially to some degree.
However, a number of years ago, I began to realize that a lot of the political rhetoric that was aimed at environmentalists was not scientifically motivated at all, but rather politically and economically motivated.
And I began to regard it as a bunch of bunk, and I do today.
And I tend toward believing, for example, the ozone depletion.
There's no question about it, Whitley.
We have had spacecraft up measuring the depletion.
Well, we're going to have to face the consequences of a lot of things.
And the real question is with regard to all of these things is how do we ensure that there's a world worth living in for our kids?
And given the fact that there are so many of us on the planet that even if every person on this planet was an absolutely fanatical tree hugger, we would still, just because there are so many of us, be causing dramatic changes in the way nature functions, and some of those changes are not good for us.
In this particular case, we're going to see what it means for this ice shelf to collapse.
It's not going to be the end of the world.
It is going to do things that are not going to help us, and we're going to live with this.
Hopefully, the other shelves, the bigger ones, like the Ross ice shelf, will not follow suit, although I must add that they show every evidence of being under tremendous stress as well.
However, bear in mind that some of that ice is 25 million years old and maybe even older.
It's not likely to happen that way.
However, we do know from the geologic and historical record that there are periods of time when there are sudden dramatic changes on the planet, which we were talking about 12,000 years ago, which we do not really understand at all.
We don't understand the mechanism of these changes.
We know that in the past, areas like England and Greenland have turned, England and Norway have turned into climates like Greenland in a matter of 20 or 30 years.
Almost all of this that is going on, that is man-made, if it is man-caused, is because there are so many of us trying to lead such an industrial modern life.
The answer, if there is one, to reversing that, is to have far fewer people.
Now, there are various ways to reduce the population, birth control being, I suppose, first, but opposed by the church, opposed for many other reasons worldwide.
Now, either it's my feeling, either we can reduce the population, a very unlikely scenario, China can do it because they're dictatorship and they say you will do the following, but they're actually, even though there are so many of them, they are still a minority, considering the rest of the world's population, or something will do it for us.
In Bangkok, I can tell you, because I was there, about 40 or 50% Of the traffic police in Bangkok have terminal lung disease because you can almost cut the air.
I mean, you can cut the air.
And in most third world countries now, the traffic is unimaginable.
And so if it is true, then, that we are changing our climate from what we're putting in the air, as the third world tries to come to where we are, it's going to stop, Whitley.
And the probability is that we're going to see that nature will make those changes for us to some extent.
I don't know how great that will be.
Hopefully, we won't get into one of these situations where the whole system just snaps on us.
But that there will be a series of, let's put it this way, things like the Larsen Ice Shelf, which if there was ever an early warning when this thing goes, that will be a very significant early warning, I think, I hope.
Unfortunately, if it doesn't have any immediate effect on people's lives, I'm afraid that they'll simply decide, well, then I guess we don't need the Antarctic.
I was down in Auckland, New Zealand in 1989, and everyone in Auckland, the city was complaining that the U.S. Air Force was using the local airport so extensively day and night that it was causing disruptions and a lot of noise, and they were protesting to the government about it.
And I have had members of my family in the Air Force, and I had very little trouble finding out what was going on.
And it turned out that they were doing supply missions to bases in the Antarctic that were observing the ice.
And the situation with the Larson ice shelf is only just, excuse me, but it's the tip of the iceberg.
There's a lot more wrong down there.
For example, we have to differentiate between ice shelves and ice sheets.
The sheets are not now floating.
They are on land.
And one of the things that apparently happens to glaciers is that they get a material under them, between the glacier and the surface it's on, that's a kind of almost like the consistency of a snow cone would be.
In other words, it's not completely melted, and then the whole thing suddenly slides into the sea.
And this can be a sudden process.
And there's a substantial amount of evidence that that type of material is appearing under certain glaciers and parts of the ice sheet in Antarctica.
If that happens, we're going to feel it.
I mean, that will be an environmental catastrophe that people will be able to feel because it will cause a change in sea levels.
And you can have a situation very easily where something like that causes a change in sea levels of five or six inches average worldwide.
But then when you have a storm surge, you'll find out that areas of the planet that have not flooded in living memory will be substantially flooded because of that rise in sea level.
Hopefully, it will be something dramatic, fairly dramatic, but not so dramatic that it kills a lot of people.
That's what I'm hoping we will see, enough to sober us up and make us realize that we have to start, instead of just looking to the next year or two years or five years, we have to start planning for the next generation or the next few generations because mankind is, I mean, we're worth keeping, I think.
Well, I think that the key here is the fact that the parts of the animals that are taken are the areas where tissue change, cellular turnover is most rapid.
Mucous membranes and things, as Linda has pointed out.
And obviously, somebody is looking for something.
And it obviously, I agree with you completely, what a ridiculous thing for the military to go sneaking out in the middle of the night to do this when they could just buy the cattle.
Now there have been reports, Whitley, of helicopters in these areas either responding to what's happening because there is something in the air, some object in the air, or we know about it and it's being done with our cooperation.
Well, I've had the Impression for some time that there's a level of cooperation between the government and something else out there.
But whatever that something else is, it's so secretive and so unwilling to interrupt the flow of human life or human culture that it may be monitoring us, but it's not helping us because it doesn't give us enough information about why it's monitoring us.
If there's some kind of a problem, why don't they tell us what it is so we can try to correct it instead of sitting back and monitoring affairs and leaving us in the dark about what the capital mutilations are.
Yeah, the greatest frustration of my life is having lived, as I have, for 10 years with the certain knowledge that something is happening that is extremely unusual in this area and shows every evidence of pointing towards some kind of critical environmental problem or problem with the human species or something that we don't understand and that it won't tell us.
One, that they are our friends and they will step in at the appropriate moment when an asteroid threatens to end all life or when we threaten to end it by our own actions and they will step in and somehow assist us.
Or that they are simply waiting using the old Star Trek non-intervention policy, knowing that we are about to destroy ourselves, monitoring cattle and so forth so they might know when that will occur.
And then once we're all gone, well, here lies this sterile planet ready for occupation.
I wonder if how people would really respond to that.
When I was on my author tour for the secret school last month, which incidentally, to those who watch my website, it's the explanation as to why nothing has changed in a month.
I mean the fear and the hate, the fear that I was somehow or another in league with demons.
It was just primitive.
It was like going back to the Middle Ages.
And I'm telling you, if someone from Alpha Centauri showed up, there'd be a lot of people who would react to anything they said as being the word of the devil and to be ignored and opposed at all costs.
Well, I've always been certain, you know, like in the old earth, the day the earth stood still when the saucer came down and the door opened and the little whatever it is comes out.
Oh, they'd fill them full of so much lead, Whitley.
You couldn't put enough military there to protect it.
People would regard it as the devil, as devils, as evil, incarnate coming to earth, and they would kill it.
The asteroids are real, more and more crossing Earth's orbit.
We may be moving into an area where we're going to see a lot more of them than we would want to see.
With regard to the Larson ice shelf, there is no question about it.
It is about to disintegrate.
Disintegrate.
We've got several very, very reliable scientific reports, all of which agree this ice shelf is about to be history.
What will it mean for us?
Well, that's what we've been talking about, and we're about to turn to the phones, all of which are going like crazy.
So coming up in a moment, you and your chance with Whitley Strieber.
Well, here's a kind of a neat one, Whitley, and then we'll go to the phones.
Arden Whitley, have you considered that locked in that ice, which is thousands and millions of years old, is also bacteria, bacteria and viruses that have not been exposed to mankind in as much time?
Could these long-dormant bacteria not also cause a great effect that we're not at the moment imagining?
Well, when we have done cores of deep ice in Greenland, we haven't found that to be the case.
Good.
So I don't say that it's impossible, but at the moment we have never unleashed any unknown bacteria when we've taken those cores out from very deep ice.
It's very clear that around 10,500 BC there was an unusual event on this planet that caused the sudden freezing of areas in what is now the tundra in Siberia and Alaska,
areas that have never subsequently been unfrozen and that were temperate when the freeze took place.
Graham Hancock's book, Fingerprints of the Gods, goes into this in great detail.
And a book by Brandon Rose Flemath, I forget the title of the book, also discusses this whole subject of what happened back then.
And their theory is that something changed, whether it was an impact or what it was that caused it, that caused the planet to actually shift,
the crust of the Earth to change position, to move about, basically to move south about 2,000 miles, bringing all of the ice that had been under the North Pole to the south and taking a big portion of the Antarctic continent under the South Pole and causing it to become covered with ice.
And at that point, the ice that had been under the North Pole was now at about the latitude of Wisconsin and Central Canada all melted.
A while back, I took an in vitro chemistry course, and in there, the professor talked about that there's a basic formula in nature itself, that nature, whether it's radioactivity or bacteria in a petri dish, there's a basic curve.
And I think he called it the bell curve, where things grow geometrically to a point, and then they stop, or they severely diminish and taper off.
And this is true throughout the course of any kind of scientific study.
And it tells us that there is going to be a mechanism that reduces the human population at some point when we trip that wire, wherever it is.
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Yes, and one thing this professor said was that we are right there at that kind of point of no return, kind of diminishing return point where all of a sudden major changes come about.
I mean, I'm talking like 15 to 25 years, and that's what the professor said.
Well, I happen to agree with your professor, and I bet Whitley does too.
I'll tell you something.
I think that it is our job to be spiritually enough, aware enough, to understand this, and we are the only intelligent, truly intelligent creatures on the face of the globe.
And if we cannot correct it, then nature is going to take its course, eh, Whitley?
I feel that with what's happening to the little arsenic shelf, we're having an early warning of the way nature will take its course.
You know, it's an interesting thing that I forgot to mention earlier in the show that I wrote about in a book I published in 1988 called Transformation, the second of my books about Close Encounter.
Yeah, about the Fatima letter, the letter that was allegedly left by a letter of predictions that was opened by Pope John XXIII in 1960.
It was supposed to have been made public at the time, was never made public.
In fact, in 1987, the church denied that the letter had ever even existed.
And yet, back in 1959 and 1960, there was great interest in its opening and plenty of news stories to the effect that it had been opened and that the decision was made not to release the contents.
I heard in 1987 from a actually it was a man, but I subsequently remembered and looked in my old records more clearly.
It was a woman who was connected with the church hierarchy who was in a position to know what the contents of the letter were and told me that they had predicted, the letter had predicted that there would be inundations and floods throughout the earth starting in 1994 and that the peak would begin to be reached in 1997.
Interestingly enough, in the past couple of years, in 1995, for example, 46 million people worldwide experienced floods.
There were so many floods on this planet.
And if you look just in the past few months in 1996 in the Pacific Northwest, there have been tremendous floods again.
And now we have this suggestion that the Antarctic could be becoming profoundly unstable.
It might be that there's something in that prophecy.
Well, the closer it is, the harder it is to do anything about it because we have less time and we need to apply more energy to the object because we have to obviously move it farther to ensure that it misses us.
We're better off doing this millions of miles out in space.
We are not equipped to do that now.
Right now, we probably would not be able to successfully affect that because we have missiles that could be conceivably retargeted to an object like that, but they would strike it with relatively small nuclear warheads at quite a short distance, less than 10,000 miles out.
And if you consider that some of these things will be going up to 50,000 miles an hour, you can see how that would be a very near thing.
We need to develop a rocket that can deliver that delivery system that can deliver a medium-sized nuclear weapon millions of miles out in space in order to deflect these objects.
For example, Whitley, let's say that we hit something that was a week or two out with many megatons, that it was a mile in size, would have destroyed the planet.
Whitley, you were talking a while ago about the Christian program that said you were a Satanist because you were involved with...
Okay.
The broadcaster didn't say that, but some of his listeners certainly did.
Okay.
Well, see, I was formerly in the occult very seriously, and some of the things that I had involved with, I can say this, that with certain things that you're involved with, that a lot of people look at it like sacrifice and all that.
It's right in the southern tip on the borders between Kentucky and West Virginia.
Well, what's your point about it?
You were in the occult.
What has that got to do with?
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Okay, based on what they were saying, which I didn't get into the program, so I'm not trying to say what they said about you because I don't see that you're a Satanist or anything because, well, you know, you just, well, once you've been in it, you pretty much know what's going on with it.
But on the other hand, the occult, the word occult simply means mysterious or hidden.
Okay, the hidden part of it, see, Satan doesn't want people to know exactly what he's doing.
Okay, now, how this gets into alien entities, I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr. Carl Ball.
I don't know how to heck this.
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Okay, he's an archaeologist.
And what he does is he's got a lot of tapes and videos and stuff where he's actually come across some very interesting facts about which going to the Bible talks about the firmament around the heavens.
And the occult side of it is from the point that when a person commits sin, Art, I'll tell you something else, too, because I don't want to jump the subject here.
Well, I'm not sure what you said in the first part, so don't jump to anything else until you explain to us what you're saying here.
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Okay, here's what it comes down to.
According to the Bible, which a lot of people in and out of, okay, the point that Adam and Eve sinned, a lot of people look at that story as a symbolic story.
I mean, some of the things, as I think I've said on this show before, that I have confronted in my close encounter experiences have seemed incredibly evil.
I mean, I'll be just as plain as I can about that.
On the other hand, there have been many aspects of it that have not seemed that way at all, and the net result of it is it all seems really different, but profoundly human in the sense that if you look at mankind, you can't pick out people who are evil and people who are good.
I also don't discount it, Whitley, but I'm loath to jump, as so many fundamentalists seem to do, to explaining anything that I cannot understand as of the devil.
And my question is, is that if a comet were to pass through the asteroid belt, whether it's within the planetary plane or not, perturbing orbits, that kind of thing.
It would certainly disturb a lot of asteroids and create a lot of Apollo asteroids.
As the space shuttle grapples with Hubble to try and put in an upgrade, a very interesting occurrence, by the way, we're discussing all manner of things like asteroids, ones that might strike Earth, as will be depicted in the NBC movie coming up this Sunday and Monday.
And the Larson ice shelf in the Antarctic, which is about to crack and disintegrate and be no more.
And the Ross ice shelf, the big one, is not in that great shape either.
So we're talking with Whitley Streeber back to the telephones, and we've got plenty of those.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
He's had a very great deal to say about the environment, and if you listen closely, not much of it is very different, really.
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Okay.
And now for Whitley.
Is it possible that I know you already mentioned Kind of a little bit about this earlier, but is it possible that this is just the start and it's going to be like a chain reaction type thing where more ice will break off?
Oh, yes, I think that's not possible, but it's probable.
It's very likely.
Because you're talking, what's happening is that the average temperature on the surface of the ice is rising.
And it's not just rising on the Larson ice shelf, it's rising on the whole Antarctic continent.
And the problem is that we can sustain the loss of this relatively small 4,600 square mile ice shelf with unknown but probably not disastrous environmental consequences.
I mean, it's true that it could turn out to be an environmental tripwire and cause much more trouble than anyone expects.
But the problem is that it is A symptom of a much bigger issue, and that is that these ice sheets that are attached to the continent itself are in danger of sliding into the sea.
And if I think I misspoke myself earlier in the evening when I said that the melting of Antarctica would inundate the increase sea levels by 200 feet, it's actually much larger than that.
The melting of a third of the East Antarctic ice sheet would increase sea levels by 150 feet.
I think that we're going to experience more pressure in the next 50 years than we ever have in our history because of the effect that we are having on our environment and because of all kinds of other, other factors.
And we are going to respond to that with an outburst of incredible creativity because as a species, I think on balance we want to live.
And I mean, right now, the death wish of mankind is centered in the need to have an economy that is in continuous expansion.
And we're changing that.
We will not be in this kind of economy in 50 years.
Number one, Whitley, could you further elucidate on what you said earlier regarding your encounters as far as you didn't know whether they were good or evil or they were sometimes both.
And would this, if I am by no means a fundamentalist, but if you take the postulate of the Bible which is this war going on between these groups, these sets of beings out there, would this have anything to do perhaps with might they have an interest in trying to change our consciousness or to stop that from happening?
And does this make any sense with what you have observed from your own encounters?
And I think it starts with the, or it started back in the 40s when the government elected to keep the whole business secret, and then the media latched onto that,
and the intellectual community and the educated people along with it and there's now a commitment to that that's an emotional commitment it hasn't got anything to do with reality i could prove it give me an hour uh...
uh...
on television which i cannot incidentally get and i could prove without question question that UFOs are real.
Absolutely prove it.
But the point I'm trying to make here is this.
On the one hand, you have some part of this thing that is trying like heck, like hell to go public.
On the other hand, you have the incredibly secretive side of it, which is the abductions and all of that.
Are you looking at two different sets of aliens who are in conflict over what should be done here?
Although I think that the species would go through the same process that an individual goes through when they face their impending death, when they realize they're going to die, when they get some terminal disease.
The first thing is denial, and that would absolutely be how it started off.
The second thing is a frantic effort to avoid it.
And then there comes a surrender, a time of peace.
I just went through this recently with a friend, the whole process.
And that time of peace is a time of absolute miracles in a person's life as it comes to its conclusion.
And I think that what would happen to us at that time probably would be that the mysteries that surround us of what we really are, where we came from, what the soul is or isn't, whether or not the dead exist, the meaning of our existence and the way we live in sort of in a kind of enforced ignorance about our real nature.
All of that would be revealed at that point.
And what the death of the species would turn out, the physical death of the species would turn out to mean would probably be something very, very different from what we now think.
I would like, please, to offer a few comments and or possibly facts concerning Fatima.
I happened to be living in New Mexico in the fall of 1986 when a film was released starring Martin Sheen.
And interestingly, that is the only state in which the film was shown.
It was previewed there with the hope of making it nationally available.
For whatever reason or reasons, that did not happen.
And so we were privileged to see this, and virtually nobody else did.
What was it?
I believe the title is A State of Emergency.
And briefly, Sheen learns of the message of Fatima.
He's a highly skilled and placed engineer and or astronaut type person.
And his whole life becomes rerouted.
He goes to Fatima.
He learns some incredibly arresting things about the whole series of revelations, which we won't take time to get into.
But what I'd like to please offer is Pope John Paul II, as you know, was shot in the 1980s.
You may not know that he took the bullet that was taken from his body to Fatima.
Yes, I did know that.
Okay.
And he has said that the messages of Fatima are more relevant now than they were when given what is now, what, 70 plus years ago?
Yes.
And you're able to see, if you go into the archives of the New York Times, how they carried the story of the over 75,000 persons that witnessed the great miracle of the sun in October.
Oh yes, I've read those stories.
I even made it my business to do research into it at one point, thinking about writing a novel about it.
And I met some people who were there, who actually saw the crowd.
Not the lady, but who were in the crowd of 75,000.
And in one case, I met a man who was 30 miles away and had seen quite incredible things happening.
So it was a remarkable, it was a truly amazing incident.
I'll tell you another thing that's fascinating about it.
An additional prediction was made, was revealed in 1923 to the effect that if mankind saw an extraordinary light in the sky, that's part of the film.
Well, that that would mean that the punishment that there had been insufficient prayer and mankind had remained turned away from the good, that is to say, in a state of denial, and that there would be a war.
Now, interestingly enough, in 1938 over Europe, there was such an unusual and extraordinary auroral display that was reported in newspapers worldwide.
Subsequent to that, the series of events that led to World War II started just a few months later.
He actually said right afterwards.
Right afterwards.
That's correct.
What I thought would be of interest in light of the great discussion I've been listening to is the following.
We have through no one less than the mother of Jesus Christ in those messages to children who were, I believe, illiterate at the time, speaking to adults courageously.
You know those story, Mr. Streeper, you don't, and I certainly do.
They were threatened with death, boiled in oil by the authorities in order to extract the messages.
They withstood all these threats and harassments and being disarmed by their own loved ones in at least one or two instances.
There was heroic fortitude given from heaven, obviously, working in those children.
And I believe it only makes sense to take what they shared with us.
It is our roadmap, as it were.
And what is that?
It is prayer, consecrating of oneself to the Virgin Mary's immaculate heart in order to be disposed to fulfill in each person's life that which God wants of them.
And that will build the peace that she, and this is very important, definitively stated will come.
As you know, it was not a conditional promise.
It was, in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph and there will be peace.
In other words, why influence us at all if we are to be allowed to be the guides of our own destiny, then why try and influence us with little hints hither and yon?
Either, you know, I'm giving you questions that I know you're going to do.
I think that it's the same thing that happens when you have a life in a close encounter experience.
You find yourself in a situation where you always seem to learn the absolute minimum amount necessary to make you realize that there is a way to do it that works.
And I think that the warnings that have been consistent, by the way, from the Virgin, not only from Fatima, but from dozens of other apparitions, some of them equally well documented, have always been the same.
That there must be a turning toward something.
In other words, there must be prayer.
And as he says, the dedication to the Blessed Virgin is a part of that process, certainly for some people.
My response, by the way, to the issue of prayer is this, that there's a very...
And I won't pretend to be a person who has led a life of prayer, but I discovered something interesting about prayer, that if you let yourself, prayer becomes a remarkable pleasure.
It is not a chore at all if you open yourself to it, if you let it become a form of companionship.
Curious what it would be like if an asteroid hit the Earth?
NBC will be showing you Sunday and Monday.
There's a plug for them.
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Once there, you click on the chat room option, which is, I think, on the upper right-hand side.
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Wasn't Elijah abducted by a fiery chariot with 50 prophets watching him in 2 Kings 2.11?
What do you say?
Yes, I think something like that did happen.
What did Christians say about that?
Well, what do you say about it?
I believe he was.
Well, yes, we have, there are any number of instances in the Bible that suggest, like, well, Ezekiel is another perfect instance of something that happened that seemed to be a kind of a close encounter of some sort.
And in Revelation 8, it talks about a fiery mountain coming out of the sky and hitting the earth.
Now, well, it says the waters and the ocean.
And isn't that going to cause a big tidal wave?
And isn't that going to lift the caps off both poles?
Well, it would have to be pretty big.
Let me put it this way.
If an asteroid a couple of miles across hit in the middle of, say, the Atlantic, it would create tidal waves that would inundate Kansas City and would certainly...
I said Kansas City.
Well, we have had on this planet situations where there were tidal waves 10,000 and 15,000 feet high.
Not recently, but it has happened.
The amazing thing about the Earth is the Earth is really old, and practically everything that can happen to it has happened.
There has been only one thing that has been consistent about this planet since life began, and that is that life has continued despite everything.
I just wanted to say he mentioned that the devil doesn't want to know what he's doing.
And I wanted to bring up the fact that also a lot of humankind will not be getting the messages that God will be sending.
No matter how you view God, humanity on a whole will not be getting the message.
And also that I had, before I went to my philosophy class today in college, I had this thought about the cycles of the past on the earth and how I view them more as cataclysmic birth instead of the
Yes, I just thought it was such an honor to speak with you.
I just wanted to commend you.
You seem to pursue the truth about what you think, and you seem to be very honest and supportive, and I just appreciate it because I know that you must live your life under some pressure because of what you've experienced.
And I haven't read your books, but I respect you very greatly, and I just thought it would be very, you know, you don't know if you're going to get through, and I'm just glad that you're there, and I appreciate your work.
One of the things you may want to check out, there's a timeline, a prophetic timeline, as it is in that pyramid.
And it starts, I believe, about 1,600 years before the birth of Christ.
And each inch equals one year.
It goes up to the birth of Christ 1,600, some odd inches after that, and then 33 inches after that, the death of Christ.
But what's interesting is 2,000, exactly 2,000, or just a little past 2,000 inches, you have this whole prophetic timeline leading to an abyss, and there's no more prophecies.
Now, among other things, I guess it predicted the explosion of the space shuttle, which is 1,986 inches past the birth of Christ.
There's a book out as well that's written.
It's called 2000, or 55-2000, the Impending Ice Age.
And apparently, one of the projections, it uses the pyramid of Keop, but one of the things that it says is that there's a planetary alignment taking place on May 5th.
And the suggestion of the book is that we'll be facing an immediate ice age, much like what you were talking about when they found the animals there in Siberia that were immediately frozen.
Well, I feel very strange about prophecy generally.
Most prophecies wrong.
However, if you look at prophecies that are correct, they can get very eerie.
Well, like, for example, I was not aware of the timeline that he describes, but most of the great long-count calendars end between the year 2005 and 2012.
That's correct.
The zodiac is making this radical transformation from Pisces to Aquarius.
The human species is reaching some kind of population climax.
The planet's environment is stressed.
There seem to be all kinds of objects floating around in space, which may or may not always have been there.
We're not sure.
There is a feeling of there are aliens kind of ghosting around in our lives.
Implants are being pulled out of people.
There's UFOs flying around to the point where so many camcorder images are taken of them.
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All right, now, Whitley, can't let this night go without asking you about that incredible program you did with me shortly.
You'll recall during that program, you suggested, as a possible compromise, that he take the photographs that he claims to have on film and submit them not to the general public, but to perhaps a group of astronomers in Hawaii or elsewhere privately to verify what he has.
Shortly after that show, Professor Brown posted a statement saying he would not allow examination of any of the physical evidence.
And you recall during the show he said he would consider it.
So I wanted to get your thoughts on that whole thing now that we're downline from it a bit.
Well, I'm still very saddened by the whole event, and I don't really understand what went on, except I can't see any reason why he wouldn't have given the why not simply give it to an astronomer of his own choice.
The other thing about it that's always kind of bothered me ever since this whole business began was the fact that the pictures were alleged to be on rolls of film.
And I can't seem to understand where there would be a professional telescope that makes its film on rolls as opposed to CCD images or plates.
And I have asked around and I can't seem to find anyone who thinks that such material would have been transmitted in any form except as prints or digitally.
This is the D-Man from KPRL, San Luis, OpenStape, California.
Yes, sir.
I have a question for Whitley.
After the hand of God smashed this one large rock and made it into a million of little pieces of rock, and it created the stars and the heavens, question.
How many stars in the galaxy?
Yes, thank you.
Are possible or could be have planets that may harbor life, all right?
The more science seems to find out, and astronomers find out, and as Hubble gets better photographs, the more convinced scientists seem to become that life is common, not uncommon.
My doctor never told him that I had temporal lobe epilepsy.
I have been tested for that three times, very aggressively.
I don't have the disease.
The details of this and the Tests and the dates, et cetera, and so forth, are in an appendix to a book I wrote in 1988 called Transformation, which Mr. Klass knows very well.
And if he's still saying that, it's as nonsensical as it was the first time he said it.
I have had this examined by a couple of doctors and x-rayed.
It doesn't show anything.
There's no smoking gun.
In other words, there's nothing showing a piece of technology in the x-ray.
And I vacillate.
I have said on a number of occasions I'm going to get it taken out.
But what stops me is that Betty Ruth Dagones, who died in 1989, had one very similar one in her ear.
It seemed to function quite similarly to the one I have, with the difference that she had some reason to believe that it would be very dangerous for her to take it out during her lifetime and waited until after her death.
And every time I decide to get it taken out, I get cold feet because it's just so little known about the darn things.
But I think this spring I am going to get it taken out.
And so that's where it stands right now.
and I will report the results as to whether it was an implant or not, which is not known.
Interesting enough that you mentioned crystals in the middle of the earth.
It states in Enoch that that is indeed the case in the description of hell.
Interesting also is it correlates almost all the angels.
And the new Dead Sea Scrolls that have recently been put into print by Michael Wise, Martin Ebeg, Edward Cook confirm what is being said throughout the book of Enoch.
And I was just perhaps interested if you were familiar with the book and had read it.
And I wanted to just say, Art, I've enjoyed your show and your webpage there, too.
And Whitley, even as I've been listening to you, I'm also one of the fundamental Christians.
And I'm not here to make just negative comments or anything.
But what I want to say is I'm also part of a group of network of prophets all over the world.
And we're seeing things that are going to be taking place.
We're followers of Jesus Christ.
And we are seeing things that are taking place right now that very soon there could be very cataclysmic events that are going to be taking place.
And we're perceiving now that it looks like things are going to start happening.
And I'm one of those people that believe that, you know, hey, if aliens are here and it's, you know, I can see how God can allow that to happen.
I'm one of those people that when I look out and I look in the Word of God and the Bible, I see that there is definitely a war with Lucifer and a war with the powers of darkness.
I think that it's going to be, though, not a single huge event.
It could be.
But I suspect it's more likely that it's going to build over a period of years, and there are going to be large numbers of events, each individual, which are individually quite big, like the collapse of the Larson Ice Shelf, or perhaps an impact somewhere on the planet sufficiently large to cause significant damage,
and building changes in the environment, dramatic shifts in the weather, and so on and so forth, that when we look back after another 50 years, we will realize that the world has changed more in another 20 years even, that the world has changed more in that time than it changed in our entire history.
Listen, I only get you until 4 o'clock here on WAI, as you well know, so I'm getting you in and out on KLIF.
Didn't hear too much a little while ago.
But listen, I was wondering, what you said about the bookstores not carrying the secret school, that's true, because I've been on a waiting list for what seems like forever.
And I haven't gotten a call back that it's sin or anything.
I don't say much about the implant study I'm working on because we're right in the middle of it.
But we've got one, for example, we've already got probably the smoking gun, actually, that the skeptics have always said you would never get, which is this one is an implant that is made out of glass.
Essentially, it's a form of glass.
It's a ceramic, they're calling it, because of various reasons.
But it's essentially silica.
And incredibly, despite its formula, it conducts electricity.