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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Asteroids and Global Warming - Whitley Strieber

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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 12th, 1997.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many time zones.
	From the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains, eastward to the Caribbean, and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south into South America, and north to the pole.
	Worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Top of the morning everybody, I'm Art Bell, and we are going to be speaking shortly with Whitley Strieber.
	Really, there should be no introduction necessary for Whitley.
	You know him by Communion, you know him by The Secret School, or will shortly, his brand new book, Millions of millions and millions of books worldwide sold.
	And he's going to be here this morning talking about two things of great concern to many people.
	One of them, the possibility of an asteroid strike on Earth punctuated by an NBC movie coming out, I believe this coming Sunday and Monday in tandem.
	And so much concern, so much sudden concern about the possibility of an asteroid striking Earth.
	As we find more and more of them that are crossing our orbit.
	We're also going to talk about the breakup of the Larsen Ice Shelf in the Antarctic.
	That's right, it's breaking up.
	What does it mean?
	Well, we'll try and find that out.
	So all of that coming up in a moment.
	By the way, I'd like to welcome WOMPAM in Bel Air, Ohio.
	Welcome, covering the Wheeling, West Virginia market, $12.90 on the dial, and about affiliate number 327, I would think, as we continue to grow like a wild weed.
	Now, down to Texas, San Antonio way, and the famous Whitley Streber.
	Whitley, welcome back.
	Glad to be back, Art.
	Good to have you.
	All right, Whitley, we are going to cover I think two main topics this morning.
	Right.
	One is the seemingly, I'll use that word cautiously, increasing probability that an asteroid may strike Earth.
	Now, I guess the first question I would have for you, Whitley, is why do you think that there is a sudden concern, I'm 51 years old, you're near my age, we haven't had an asteroid strike yet, and yet suddenly Here's an NBC movie about an asteroid.
	Everybody's talking about it.
	The EBS system is concerned about it.
	Everybody's worried about an asteroid striking Earth.
	Why the sudden concern?
	Well, I've been doing a little bit of detective work, because the question is this.
	Has somebody discovered that there are... Are we coming into an area where there's more space debris than before?
	Or is it simply that new technologies are enabling us to look more closely at the sky?
	Or could it be both?
	Well, it could be both, but the actual truth is that the technologies that we're using now have been in place for quite a while.
	They're not all that new.
	The particular Air Force telescope that's being used by JPL now It's been being used by JPL to track near-Earth asteroids for the past year is a technology that's been in use since I think the late 80s.
	So it's definitely not new.
	It's not new?
	No.
	So then what is new?
	Our concern, or are we actually, as you pointed out, moving into an area, and we do move, everything is moving, where there's simply Thousands of years ago, there were many strikes on the Earth, the Moon.
	I mean, look at the Moon, it's a mess.
	Are we moving back into this?
	And if we are, could it be that suddenly there will be many Earth-crossing asteroids that we ought to worry about?
	Well, in 1992, Newsweek did a big story on comets.
	and asteroids and things striking the earth, an issue called doomsday science.
	Exactly.
	And they said at that time that there is no threat from any known comet or asteroid in the next 200 years.
	That's what they said in 1992.
	Are they saying that now?
	No.
	Precisely the opposite.
	We have had Just in the past three or four years, and bear in mind that this started sometime before we began to gear up to watch for these things.
	First of all, quite a number of new comets began to appear, among them Hayakataki and the infamous Hale-Bopp.
	And in addition to that, we had objects like Chiron pass quite close to the Earth, Then in 1995, we had a small object pass within 60,000 miles of the Earth.
	In 1996, there were two, the most notable of which was 1996 JA1, which was large enough to have ended civilization.
	It wouldn't have extincted life on Earth, but human civilization would not have survived this impact.
	It would have been too large.
	It was discovered four days before it passed so close to the Earth, 270,000 miles away, that its orbit was actually perturbed a little bit by Earth's gravity.
	So in other words, the next time around, it's going to be in a slightly different place with respect to where it crosses Earth's orbit, correct?
	Well, yeah, but it won't be back for a long time, and it's not... Good.
	The ones that we've already seen aren't the problem.
	It's the ones we haven't seen.
	The ones we haven't seen.
	Absolutely.
	The other thing that has worried me, Whitley, and maybe you can comment on this, I recall the Associated Press reporting, typically a couple of years ago, well, Earth had a close encounter Well, something larger than a few hundred feet across passes the Earth almost once a week at this point.
	one well there you are so they discover that after it had passed out
	how did it uh... we never would have no effect
	baros bozard effect except maybe a crack of thunder and that would have been the
	end of it what well something something larger than a few hundred
	feet across passes the earth
	almost once a week at this point once a week yes about forty or fifty objects a year that significant size
	Most of these objects, if they hit the atmosphere, would blow up in the upper atmosphere and not harm us.
	If it's a nickel-iron meteor, it could be dangerous.
	It could come all the way down to the surface.
	Well, comets are easy to track because they're big, dirty snowballs.
	Yeah, right.
	They're real visible.
	They have long tails, the sun is causing them to be active, and they're very bright, and we see them way ahead of time.
	Right.
	These dark rocks that are out there, which may have... What is the history of an asteroid?
	Was it once a comet that had all the outside material burned off?
	Well, the solar system is a real complicated place.
	It has got a cloud of comets very far in the outer solar system, some of which occasionally will come into an orbit that traverses the near solar system, such as these ones we see.
	Closer in, between Mars and Jupiter, there is a group of asteroids, a large area of asteroids, Some have theorized of the remains of a planet that broke up in prehistoric times for whatever reason.
	Others have other ideas about what may have caused this asteroid belt, but it's there.
	And again, sometimes objects come into this belt, into an orbit close to the inner planet, such as Earth.
	However, there's also The possibility that there are larger clouds of debris that are orbiting in such big orbits that we're unaware of them, and this is what concerns me, that we may be moving into an area that is dirtier than areas that we've experienced in the recent past.
	So in other words, it is actually possible that one day an asteroid would hit And that would be but only the beginning.
	In other words, there could be several successive hits.
	Well, let's run down, first of all, a few things about how this takes place.
	There are two ways that something would impact the Earth.
	Well, there are really three.
	The first one is a direct head-on impact where the object is perpendicular to the surface and comes directly down An object like that, there would be absolutely no warning.
	It could be traveling at 50,000 miles an hour and it would just be like a gigantic atomic
	bomb.
	We wouldn't even see it?
	Oh, we'd see it, but not very...
	Not before it detonated.
	Oh.
	Well, that's what happened.
	We'd see the outcome of the strike.
	Alright, so we wouldn't actually see it headed towards the outcome of the strike if they were far enough away.
	So it is true then the one that might get you is the one that you might not see?
	Oh, absolutely.
	There are two other possibilities.
	The more usual case is an object that will come in at an angle and plane across the planet's atmosphere.
	There was one in I believe August of 1972 which was photographed and filmed all across the Northwestern United States.
	Quite a large object that plane through the atmosphere in broad daylight creating a very bright display.
	It would have been a Very dangerous, if it had been a perpendicular strike, but since it moved through the atmosphere the way it did, it simply burned itself up.
	What would happen, Whitley, if something, one of these planet-sized killers, say a mile in size, were to plane through the atmosphere?
	Is there not some thinking that there was once an atmosphere on Mars, and that what may have killed the atmosphere on Mars might have been something exactly like that?
	It might not have hit Mars, or it may have, But it could have planed through the atmosphere, literally destroying the atmosphere as it went.
	Well, it could have.
	That would have had to have been something along the lines of a gigantic meteor swarm.
	We've never been hit.
	We've been hit by some very dramatic meteor showers, but nothing like that.
	You know, it's interesting just how much debris actually is absorbed by the planet a couple of tons a day.
	of material from outer space actually comes into the atmosphere in one way or another.
	Whether it's in the form of meteor strikes, which are just virtually constant.
	Sure.
	They're going on all the time.
	As a matter of fact, last night we had quite a meteor shower and we had quite a show out here in the desert.
	Well, you know, the National UFO Reporting Center, Peter Townsend's organization, Peter called me the other day and said that there was just an exceptional A number of meteors being reported worldwide, and that they were orange fireballs with green tails, which is one type of meteoric pattern.
	But the interesting thing about these is that they're incoming from all different directions of the compass, meaning it's not an organized shower.
	So we're in a period of high activity.
	We are apparently, yes.
	Let's run down the third.
	We didn't talk about the third type of strike, which is this is similar to the object that
	hit Jupiter a few years ago.
	Oh, yes.
	Which, as it came into the proximity of Jupiter, it went into a degrading orbit around the
	planet and then disintegrated into a string of objects and then impacted the planet in
	series.
	Shoemaker-Levy 9, I believe.
	Yes, exactly.
	That is the kind of thing that's more likely to happen.
	An object called an Arjuna which will follow the planet's orbit and be captured by the gravity and go into a degrading orbit and you would have plenty of warning of that in the sense that the object would be very visible for a period of Weeks or days, as it came slowly closer and closer and closer and we... Imagine the social implications of that.
	It would be hard.
	That would be a very, very difficult time for mankind, especially if we had no way of deflecting it.
	The danger being that if you hit it with missiles, you may break it up and make the situation worse, not better.
	Then I imagine the range would be from party to prey.
	Yes.
	That's right.
	I wonder how the human animal would react under such circumstances.
	That would certainly be the range.
	I wonder if you'd have more partiers or people out there praying.
	I think it would depend on how close it got.
	The closer it got, the more prayers there would be.
	No doubt.
	Kind of like an Ash Wednesday conversion.
	Yes.
	Well, today is Ash Wednesday.
	Yes.
	There are...
	The types of collisions that are the most common are objects that are about 30 feet
	or so across.
	This is an object that's the equivalent of about 50,000 tons of TNT, and most of them do not reach the surface.
	This is the kind of thing you see on an ordinary basis.
	You might have seen a few of those in your life.
	The one you saw the other night could have been something along these lines.
	Well, you remember the one about a month ago, Whitley.
	It was a giant green fireball widely reported along the West Coast.
	Yes, and across the Southwest as well.
	And it is believed that it did, in fact, impact on the Earth.
	And I believe that NASA is offering a $5,000 reward for anybody who manages to get a hunk of this.
	Actually, it's a low price.
	If you do find it, you should definitely put it up for the highest bidder.
	You'll get more than $5,000.
	I'm sure you would.
	So it's out there somewhere.
	There will be other institutions willing to pay more.
	Believe me.
	Including the Strieber Foundation, no doubt.
	No, no, I wouldn't be interested, but I think there are a lot of universities that would be eager to get their hands on it.
	And they would have a bigger budget than NASA does.
	That's just a guess.
	It is also thought that comets and or asteroids might be the cedars of life.
	That they may in fact carry the basic Building blocks of life from one part of the cosmos to another.
	Do you think that might be so?
	Well, I think it's a distinct possibility.
	I think we're learning that the universe is interlinked in all kinds of extraordinary ways.
	And if the Mars rock that we have does indeed have tiny particles of life on it, It could be, for example, that we're going to go to Mars and find life forms that are familiar to us here, because of the fact that the two planets have been trading bits of debris so often in the distant past that they, in effect, seeded each other.
	It's a very interesting story about the Venus flytrap, I believe.
	It's an unusual plant that lives in a small valley, I think only in one place in the world, in Rhode Island or somewhere, some unlikely spot like that, that is so genetically different from everything else on the planet that it's been theorized, it may have been, I mean just sort of jokingly theorized, that it may have been something that dropped in a It came via Meteor.
	I think that the movie that was made about the man-eating plant that was made eventually into a musical was based on that idea where that story was currently in the newspapers.
	Woodley, if we had something, a planet killer, a killer asteroid, something a mile in size or bigger that would literally wipe out mankind.
	Yeah, I'm saying if we had noticed that such an asteroid was headed to Earth, probably as they're going to depict in this NBC movie coming up, would you think that we would be better off knowing that it was coming, having some warning, or would mankind subjectively be better off not knowing, just having it happen?
	You mean if it literally was the end of the world?
	That's right.
	From a personal basis, I would want to know.
	You would want to know?
	Although I think that it's impossible to predict what the average individual would do.
	I do know this, that when there is a great catastrophe, people tend to band together.
	The kind of wild mayhem that is sort of predicted conventionally in the movies and so forth doesn't happen, but the problem is It also crossed... I thought about this a lot.
	I worked at one point on a novel about this very subject and I thought to myself, what would I really do?
	Are there things that I might want to just do?
	In other words, could I go wild under those circumstances?
	And the answer is frankly, yes.
	I still want the warning, but I think that it would cross every mind on the planet that, hey, I've got Ten days or a month or three months, and after that, it's over.
	I'll tell you a very, very interesting story that one of my listeners told me about how the credit card companies would handle it if one of those killer asteroids were headed for the Earth, because she actually picked up the phone and called the credit card company, And they gave her an answer, and it was kind of intriguing.
	I'll tell you about it when we come back from the break.
	with least rebirth my guess you're listening to our bills somewhere in time
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	twelfth nineteen ninety seven
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	Maybe you're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM, from February 12th, 1997.
	From the high desert!
	Good morning everybody, my guest is Whitley Strieber.
	We're discussing the possibility, or perhaps the probability, or the inevitability, that eventually something, a big hard rock, generally called an asteroid, is going to strike Earth.
	Are we moving into an area where there are more of them, when it becomes more likely?
	Whitley says, perhaps so.
	And Whitley, I want to tell you a story, if I might.
	One time we did a sort of a speculative show about asteroids, this was some number of years ago, and a lady on our behalf the next day called one of the major credit card companies, I won't name it, She wanted to know what their attitude would be if we had several days or even weeks of warning of a major asteroid, a life-ending asteroid, hitting the Earth.
	And the credit card company, to their benefit, took it seriously.
	And they went to the management.
	And the management called the lady back and said, well, I guess our attitude would be we'd let everybody run their cards up as much as they wanted, based on the following.
	If the asteroid hit, It would end all life, so everything would be academic.
	Who cares?
	But on the at least outside probability, the asteroid would not hit.
	They would then have a great deal of money coming.
	From the American public, who had been on a giant binge.
	In many ways, the asteroid missing under those circumstances would be the second greatest catastrophe in human history.
	It certainly would.
	There would be a hangover, I think, to end all hangovers at that point.
	Lots of regrets, lots of broken marriages.
	I can consider all kinds of possibilities, and I'm sure that would all occur.
	Very interested in what human behavior would be like given a week or two or even a month of warning.
	Of course, our military would be out there doing the best they could.
	Yes.
	Well, maybe they wouldn't.
	Maybe they wouldn't.
	I think the longer the warning, the more probably bizarre behavior and less panic there would be because I think people would try to be very hard to accommodate one another's last wishes.
	Last wishes.
	But a lot of last wishes would accommodate things generally not socially acceptable when we've got a lot more time?
	I think a lot of us would be doing things that weren't socially acceptable.
	I think that society would change very profoundly under those circumstances and that we would probably find out whole new things about each other and about mankind that we had not known before and would take that to Now, crossing into your field for a moment, you have had encounters with people from elsewhere.
	What do you call them, Whitley?
	I just call them visitors.
	I've never been able to prove what they were.
	I'm quite certain at this point that they aren't human beings in any conventional framework that we understand that word.
	I just don't know what they are.
	I've never been where they came from, so I can't tell you.
	Is it possible, Whitley, at least 50% possible, I've always considered, that they would be benign, friendly, and that if something of that catastrophic sort were about to occur, that these beings would step in, and that would be a great time for them to help us, wouldn't it?
	Well, there's one way of looking at history that suggests that from time to time they have stepped in to human life.
	It might be that that would happen.
	It might be that, well for example, there are plenty of asteroids out there large enough to eliminate all life on earth completely.
	Totally eliminate it.
	In all Of the billions of years that there has been life on Earth, that has never happened.
	The opposite is also true, Whitley, if they're not so friendly.
	It certainly would be easy for them to direct one of these great dark rocks coursing through space in our direction and end life.
	Just a little orbit change, that's all it would take.
	But then, again, you know, you think that throughout the history of the planet, there's every evidence that this, when it's happened, it's happened kind of at random.
	When I was working on The Secret School, one of the most interesting things that happened was memories of a series of visions that suggested that impacts were central to the whole process of evolution on Earth.
	Because what in the past has happened, when they've occurred, is that afterwards, instead of, you'd think that after one of these tremendous disasters, when life was just almost totally wiped out, that what would come next would be things building up from a failure level, and simple creatures starting all over again from scratch.
	That's not how it works.
	Crawling out of the ocean again.
	You know, the prophets, when you look at the prophets, like Laurie Toy and others, It is their view that when this asteroid hits, sadly, I'm sitting here, I think, in southern Nevada at, according to the prophets, ground zero.
	Really?
	Yes, yes.
	Southern Nevada is supposed to be the place, and generally if you look at the theme of a lot of motion pictures, Las Vegas generally gets wiped out by whatever it is.
	That's right, it does indeed.
	There's something about Las Vegas that It seems to invite that.
	Well, that's the religious angle.
	Because I think a lot of people feel that if any place deserves to get wiped out, Whitley, it's sinful Las Vegas and Southern Nevada.
	I don't know how we ended up getting fun and sin mixed up together.
	I thought that sin was supposed to be something evil.
	I mean, if you killed somebody, that was sin.
	But it's kind of bled over, and if you have fun, it's also a sin.
	Why is that?
	Well, I don't know.
	Most things that are fun are sinful.
	That's what they say.
	According to the religious.
	There's absolutely no question about it.
	And if the asteroid were coming, there'd be a lot of fun and a lot of sin going on.
	I might try to do some things in Las Vegas that I would never otherwise attempt if I knew there was an asteroid coming.
	It's true.
	I mean, I might take some pretty heavy odds.
	Why not?
	Now, there's another interesting question, and that is how the Las Vegas oddsmakers would approach this entire thing.
	I'm sure they'd take bets on it, Whitley.
	I'm sure they would.
	And with regard to large bets made on sporting events, I suppose their attitude would be much like their credit companies.
	What the hell?
	But you know, I think that most people would become very concerned about themselves and their immediate surroundings, the people around them.
	They would want to enact what was left of their lives in whatever particular way but
	i don't think for example
	you'd find policemen staying on the job or the military uh...
	remaining organized or anything like that i don't think companies
	would remain organized i think there would be uh...
	uh... hold different people would perspective would shift
	very rapidly it's a good point
	yeah absolutely i don't think you'd see that i don't i don't think those
	institutions like i don't think it was a good for continue because there'd be no
	there'd be no dealers around I mean, who would be working under those circumstances?
	It's funny you say that, Whitley, but as a matter of fact, Las Vegas casinos with floods and earthquakes and even civil disruption when there was a giant crowd after the big riots in LA.
	There were riots going on as well in Las Vegas.
	And as the crowds approached downtown Las Vegas, the rioting crowds, Trust me, Whitley, people were in there pulling the handles on the machines and everything went on roughly as normal.
	It's the one thing that seems to not be disturbed at all.
	It's strange.
	It's a strange psychology.
	At any rate, Whitley, I think it is important to understand.
	Have you personally come to the conclusion that we are coming into an area of space that is littered, if that's
	the right word, with more of these giant objects?
	Well, there's a possibility that that's the case, and I come at this from a totally different perspective in the
	sense that one of the things that I look at is the following.
	Bye.
	Approximately 12,000 years ago, about exactly halfway around the Zodiac from now, Something happened to this planet.
	I don't say that there was an impact, because I can't say that for certain, but something happened to this planet.
	Something that changed things fundamentally, and they've stayed changed.
	I'll tell you what I mean.
	The northern Arctic, from Siberia through Alaska, for example, is full of the frozen remains of Mammoths and all other large animals, not particularly fast-moving animals, that got caught in some kind of very, very sudden change.
	These animals are found routinely with food still in their mouths, with grasses and things in their stomachs that have not grown in that area since the day they died.
	They find frozen trees, like they found once in Alaska, in the North Slope of Alaska, an apple tree frozen in bloom.
	Frozen in bloom, so something occurred... On a fine June day, 12,000 years ago, something incredible happened to this earth.
	We don't know yet what it was.
	There's all kinds of theories about it, ranging from theory that was held by Einstein and believed in it was
	Charles Hapgood's theory that the crust of the earth sometimes can be made to
	shift very suddenly. This was the theory that he promulgated in
	1958 and that Einstein agreed with but subsequently scientists have felt that
	the equatorial bulge makes the crust much tighter than that so it couldn't
	They're not sure.
	But the fact remains that we have, from that era also, dating all of these flood myths.
	There is an ancient South American text called the Popol Vuh that describes a day in which the sun shot like a comet down into the southern sky.
	So it may be that one fine June day, with everything blooming and life seeming to have no end and being beautiful, that it would suddenly, without warning, simply end.
	Yes.
	Now, exactly.
	Well, what happened then was it didn't end, but it certainly changed.
	It was a major catastrophe.
	and uh... the the the the xd incidentally that since then the planet has been in
	decline in terms of the number of different species on it ever since
	the the extensions have never stopped well i think that uh... it is my contention as you know
	and you may want to address this uh... that we are in decline
	socially economically politically in every single area of human endeavor uh... would leave we
	are in decline things are rapidly heating up they're changing their moving
	toward so i don't know
	Well, look at the situation we're in right now.
	The planet is filling up with human beings, and at the same time, the economies of many parts of the world are getting Much more complex.
	People are getting richer in South America, in Asia, all over the world.
	Inside of 10 years, if only the prosperous, the middle class, the upper class in China get automobiles, that will mean that there will be 100 million new cars in China that aren't being used in China, that are not being used in China right now.
	And at some point, something basic in the system is going to stop working.
	It's going to give.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's going to give.
	I don't know what it'll be.
	It will give.
	These third world nations, what we talk about as the third world now, want what we have.
	And long before they're going to be able to get it, the earth is not going to be able to sustain the change.
	As a matter of fact, what we have right now industrially is straining it, if the entire world We're operating at the pace we are right now.
	Well, it won't happen.
	Getting back to this other thing, the fact is that we don't really know what the Zodiac is.
	We do know this.
	It's a calendar which measures a 26,000 year cycle, divided up into 12 2,140 year segments, which are the various houses of the Zodiac.
	We know also That the event that I was just describing happened approximately halfway down the Zodiac from now.
	Is the Zodiac a calendar made by somebody who was so utterly destroyed by whatever happened back then that we have only the most shadowy memory of their existence in the legends of things like Atlantis, that was intended as a warning about some kind of a cycle?
	Is that why the transition from Pisces to Aquarius is one of the most dramatic ones in the Zodiac and predicts more change?
	In other words, you go from a water sign to an air sign at this point.
	There's only one other place in the Zodiac where there is so dramatic a change, and that's 12,000 years ago.
	The other end of it.
	Was it intended to warn us?
	That the same dramatic change could happen now because there's some kind of a 12,000 year cycle involving a very dirty area of space.
	In other words, we're right back at that point now.
	So if that is true, here we are.
	Exactly.
	And unfortunately, is it because we're better able to detect these objects that we're seeing more of them, or are there more out there?
	We just don't know the answer to that question.
	We know that in 1992, science obviously thought that we would not have a chance of being impacted by any objects in 200 years.
	Now they seem to be flying past every few days.
	That's an exaggeration.
	There are significant objects appearing every few months, really.
	I guess that would be accurate to say.
	We are observing All right.
	Hang tight for a second, Whitley.
	We'll be right back to you.
	Back now to Texas and Whitley Strieber.
	Whitley, we've only got a couple of minutes before the top of the hour, but another topic we wanted to cover this morning is absolutely what's going on In the Antarctic, I've got story after story after story.
	Something's going on down there.
	We do need to talk about that.
	And apparently the Larson Ice Shelf... Yes.
	Which is big, what?
	Greater than 4,000 square miles?
	4,600 square miles.
	That's big.
	Or it was.
	It's probably smaller now.
	Is what?
	What is it doing, Whitley?
	Breaking up?
	Well, the prediction is it is going to disintegrate.
	Quite soon.
	It shows every evidence of being in an advanced state of decline.
	Now, the one thing that you and I both have been struggling with is what this is going to mean.
	Yes, I think I've got some information about that.
	All right, so we will talk about that.
	Now, a lot of people have talked about rising ocean levels and that kind of thing, and I think just from the Larsen Ice Shelf, there is not going to be a big problem in that area.
	No, because this ice is already floating.
	But that isn't... The problem is not the... In terms of rising sea levels, the problem is the ice sheets behind these ice shelves are held in place, to an extent, by the ice shelves.
	And when the ice shelf breaks up, then the sheet behind it that's over the continental landmass is going to start calving directly into the sea.
	And that is going to cause a rise in sea levels.
	It also is an indicator that something very basic on earth is changing.
	Oh yes.
	Now it may well be that we've gone through ice ages where there's a big buildup and where then it warms up again.
	I don't know.
	It may have come and gone in the past but at the moment it appears to be going and that's kind of like the frogs with the many legs.
	It's an indication that there is a big Change of some kind on the way.
	Well, there are very, very significant.
	The breakup of this ice shelf is contrary to what seems to be out on the Internet.
	it's a significant environmental event and it has all kinds of implications
	with regard to the weather and uh...
	uh... uh...
	uh... and other things as well but but primarily i mean there were the related implications
	here and uh...
	right i want to give everybody a chance as we go to the news and before we come
	back and really talk about this i found a website
	that has photographs of the larson ice shelf and the changes that occurred and
	This is a couple of years old now, but if you want to go up there and take a look, my website Which also is access to Whitley's website.
	We'll get you, as you'll see there, two photographs of what we're about to talk about.
	The Larson Ice Shelf.
	And so I would recommend you go on up there and take a look.
	It's one of the lead items.
	And it's what we're going to be talking about when we come back.
	So if you have a computer, Point it toward my website, www.artbell.com.
	And as usual, we've got the goods for you up there.
	And if you want to see what it looks like, I believe it's a United Kingdom website you're going to be linking to.
	You just click on that, and you'll go zooming across the ocean.
	And there, my friend, will be the Larsen Ice Shelf.
	And you will see changes that occurred up until a couple of years ago.
	Just wait until you hear what's going on now.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
	My guest is Whitley Strieber.
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	We're talking about asteroids, and we're talking about the Larsen Ice Shelf, and we're going to touch on asteroids once again, then proceed into what's going on, and it's very serious in the Antarctic.
	And if you want to see what's going on, we've got a link on the webpage to a location in England, Great Britain, which has photographs of the Larsen Ice Flow there, and it's quite amazing.
	You've got to go take a look.
	book on my website www dot art bell dot com and you can also link to with leaves
	from their with leaves website well alright
	We're about, in fact, we'll go back to Whitley right now.
	Whitley Strieber near San Antonio, Texas.
	Whitley, before we completely leave the subject of asteroids, I've got several faxes.
	And maybe it'll clear things up for some of the general public that doesn't follow this.
	For example, Brian in Salt Lake City says, please ask Whitley why an asteroid hitting the Earth Would create the same destructive power as 50,000 tons of TNT?
	I thought these things were just big, dumb rocks.
	Well, that's actually a very small one.
	That's only 30 feet across.
	well what you're looking at is uh...
	is something that uh...
	that is uh...
	uh... moving at upwards often a fifty thousand miles an hour
	and is solid
	uh...
	rock or solid nickel or nickel iron and uh... at some of mark but uh...
	uh... many of them are and that for example of
	uh... three hundred feet across is uh... that would have the equivalent force of two of a
	twelve megaton explosion megaton
	megaton and would uh...
	devastated an area of about sixty uh... over a
	uh...
	sixty miles away seventy miles away there would be there would be
	significant devastation Keeping the scales in mind, kilo is thousand, mega is million.
	Yeah, it would be really extraordinary.
	It would be enough to completely destroy a city, or if it would be likely it would hit in the ocean, it would create significant tidal waves in a near Here's another one.
	towards any islands or coastlines nearby, and if it hit in a shallow area, then the
	waves would be significant.
	Alright, here's another one. It is my understanding, Whitley, that there are not any more Earth-orbiting
	asteroids now than there ever were. We are simply spending more time looking for them
	now, therefore, we're hearing more about them.
	Well, that could be true.
	There's no way to know whether or not that's true at the present time.
	We do seem to be seeing more objects than we've seen in the past, though, especially with regard to comets.
	And comets being very visible, we're certainly recording the appearance of any number of new comets.
	Presently.
	I don't think it's fair to conclude that there are more objects like asteroids and meteors out there now than there have been previously, but it's also true that there's no way to know for certain.
	All right.
	Here's another good one, Art.
	I think Whitley will agree that there may be a, quote, conditioning, end quote, effort underway with regard to UFOs.
	Could this also be occurring with regard to a possible asteroid hit?
	NBC's A two-part asteroid movie was preceded last week by three minutes to impact on the Discovery Channel.
	There is an upcoming NBC special titled Asteroids' Deadly Impact at the End of February.
	TBS will be hitting us with fire from the sky in March.
	And earlier tonight, CNN reported that scientists think that the meteor that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago might have actually hit off the coast of Florida.
	Is somebody trying to condition us For the possibility of a disaster that most of us can't even imagine.
	In addition to that, last month in the Popular Science cover story, it was about the ice.
	The New Yorker had a cover story about the possibility of an impact as well.
	It's really on people's minds right now, to an extraordinary degree.
	It's quite true.
	It's funny the way it's happened like that.
	There's a lot about it in my book, too.
	I don't know why that would be.
	I'm certainly not consciously part of any conditioning effort, and yet a good third of my book is about this subject.
	I was even writing a novel, as I said earlier, about an impact.
	Because there seemed to be so much about it already that my novel would be all old hat.
	You tell us.
	You wrote about it.
	You wrote the book.
	Why did you write so much about it?
	I don't honestly know.
	I mean, it's a very strange thing, and I would be very interested to get a group of the people who have been... I mean, after all, some writers, all of these different things must have started with writers and directors.
	That's where they always start.
	people decided to write about this or to make films about it and so on, so everyone seems
	Yes.
	to have decided to do it at the same time.
	I don't feel like I was part of any conditioning process.
	My guess is that none of the writers do, but somehow or another we've all ended up doing
	this at the same time.
	Yes.
	Well, it's not known until now, Whitley, but this has been nagging at me for a number of
	years.
	And for about the last eight months, I have been working nearly on a daily basis on a
	book that is going to be coming out in a couple of months called The Quickening.
	I finally decided to write the book, Whitley, and it's the first time... Oh, I'm glad you did, Art.
	I would encourage you to before, you know, and I'm glad.
	Well, I did.
	It's been a very, very, very great deal of work, but it nagged at me.
	It's something I had to do.
	I said I wasn't going to write another book, but this nagged at me so hard.
	It was in there and it had to get out, and so I started work on it, and it's a significant book.
	A 330 or 40 pages, it's going to be a big book.
	And it documents what I think is going on.
	I still don't know where it's leading.
	Maybe it's leading to an asteroid hit.
	Maybe it's leading to a giant social disruption.
	Maybe it's leading to a virus that'll get let loose.
	But I just, I know in my gut, my heart, my head, that something's coming, Whitley.
	It can't go on this way.
	We are in a society that can't prosper.
	Without expanding at a time when expansion is beginning to become impossible, and therefore things have got to change.
	Sure.
	It is absolutely not going to be like this in 50 years, no matter what the agency of change is.
	I hope it will be peaceful change, but there are so many things out there, and as the human population gets larger and It makes more and more demands on the planet.
	In a sense, the whole planet becomes more fragile because we could have absorbed a pretty significant impact on an isolated part of the world 50 years ago or 100 years ago, but there aren't any isolated parts of the world left anymore.
	Nothing is isolated.
	Everything is interconnected.
	Everything is important.
	Everything is needed.
	And in that sense, it's much more fragile, because like the type of object I was just describing a few minutes ago, the 12 megaton, something like that hits the planet about every 50 or 100 years.
	It's the Tunguska explosion, if you accept that it was an incoming object, was a comet or asteroid of some kind, was that type of object, about that size.
	And they're rather common.
	They're not uncommon at all.
	Objects 300 feet across hit the planet every 5,000 years or so.
	If an object like that, a 300 foot across object, hit the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, there would be tidal waves all around the rim of the Atlantic, ranging upwards of 250 to 300 feet.
	Well, look, it's not just the media.
	I think you and I talked about this, or I may have mentioned it, but I got the following facts.
	Hi, Art.
	I was wondering if you've read the instructions that come with the new emergency broadcast system, or whatever they call it now.
	According to Carl Wigglesworth of WOAI in San Antonio, Texas, they give the reasons for having the emergency broadcast system as, one, nuclear war, and two, impending asteroid collision with Earth.
	Does somebody know something we should all know?
	Well, that's very interesting.
	I got that fax, too, and tried to call Carl today and find out more about this.
	I missed it, unfortunately, on the phone.
	Previous, that would be a change, a major change in the emergency broadcast protocols, if that's the case.
	Because that would be something new on the one hand.
	On the other hand, you could always say that Edward Teller has been beating the drums since the early 90s for developing some kind of screen to protect us from asteroids, and he suggests that we develop an atomic bomb, or a hydrogen bomb, ten times more powerful than anything we have now.
	In other words, we keep him and all of his people in the nuclear community at work doing this.
	So it could be that the drum is sort of being beaten by people who see their employment running out because the Cold War is ending and want to shift into another area, and they see very truthfully that this is a useful area that they could shift their talents to.
	Gee, in other words, a good reason to make bigger bombs.
	Well, at the same time, it wouldn't cost very much to...
	To build a space guard system, and it's something that in all probability would never be used, but if it did become necessary, we'd wish we had done it if we didn't have it.
	That's for sure.
	That's for sure.
	Well, it may not take an asteroid strike, and that brings us to the second topic, and again, go check my web page, folks.
	You want to see what the Larson ice shelf looks like, looked like, and now looks like, or looked like a couple of years ago.
	Photographs are up there.
	What in the world is going on?
	I've got an Associated Press article here that began the whole thing on the Larson Ice shelf, and it is not ambiguous, Whitley.
	They're saying it is Breaking up, it is going to completely collapse.
	Completely collapse.
	Well, one of the world's leading glaciologists is Rudy Del Valle, the Director of Geology for the Argentinian Antarctic Institute.
	And he is very familiar with the Antarctic ice.
	All this man does is study this ice.
	And he has made, over the past couple of years, a series of increasingly dire predictions about the ice, and has never been wrong.
	He is now predicting that the Larsen Ice Shelf is going to collapse within the next few years.
	Within two years, he says.
	Two years?
	Absolutely.
	And we will see this happen.
	What will its significance be?
	That's the question, and it was very interesting as I searched over the internet, as I'm sure you did, trying to get some answers to that question.
	It was not easy to do, because nobody knows.
	Nobody knows what will happen.
	Nobody knows what will happen.
	What it will do is this.
	It will send millions of tons of fresh water Into the Antarctic Sea.
	It is not, by the way, the largest ice shelf in the Antarctic.
	The largest ice shelf is the Ross Ice Shelf, which is also not, incidentally, in very good condition.
	As ice shelves go, this is a smaller one.
	Yeah, people are going to say, and inevitably I'm going to get faxed, so I'll stop it before it begins.
	Look, this ice is primarily already Underwater, in effect, or the main body of the ice is floating on water.
	So there will be some additional water as that which is above water now becomes part of the water.
	That will add to it, but it's not going to be a great change.
	No, it isn't going to cause the sea levels to rise much, if at all.
	But it is going to mean the following.
	First of all, it is going to change the Water temperature and the salinity of the Antarctic Ocean significantly.
	Whether or not it will communicate into the Northern Hemisphere remains to be seen.
	However, I did discover the following.
	The dilution of the oceans is a very significant Potential problem from this.
	When you say dilution, you mean fresh water added to salt?
	Adding of fresh water to the oceans.
	Because there is a mechanism that has been identified, a probable mechanism, by which the oceans are periodically, dramatically changed in their salinity.
	Apparently because of melting ice.
	And it has been thought in the past that these changes were slow, the process was slow, but it has been discovered that changes in the temperature of the planet of up to 7 degrees Celsius occur routinely over a 3 to 4 decade period, a 30 to 40 year period.
	For example, if If this diluted water is moved up by ocean currents into the North Atlantic, it could change the direction that the Gulf Stream flows in.
	And if that happened, it could really just very quickly transform Norway and England into climates that are similar to the climate of Greenland.
	That is the worst case scenario.
	Nobody thinks that would happen.
	But nobody knows.
	The point is, we're, I think, playing with fire when we allow situations like this to occur because of emissions, carbon dioxide emissions being made by man.
	Well, I was about to say, how do we stop them?
	Well, we have been, there have been any number of attempts to stop the 130 nations got together In Berlin, in April of 1995, to discuss limiting carbon dioxide emissions to prevent catastrophes like this.
	They did nothing.
	The Maldives Islands and some of the other, the Comoros Islands, I believe it was, begged The other nations to do something about this because these countries are in danger of disappearing.
	They're in danger of being completely inundated in this.
	The president of the Maldives went and I mean his country's highest point is 10 feet above sea level so you can see why he's concerned.
	Of course.
	And there has been very little There was an Earth Summit conference in Rio in 1992.
	It's just not going to happen.
	Interestingly, Whitley, there is presently a new regulation being contemplated by the EPA that would shut down lawnmowers and people out doing barbecues and all that sort of thing.
	In other words, really getting strict.
	But what they're saying is, look, we're not living up to the present regulations we have.
	There's absolutely no point in piling on new regulations that nobody's going to abide by anyway.
	It's ridiculous lawmaking, feel-good lawmaking, because we're not going to change.
	And if we're not going to change, then what's coming is inevitable.
	Isn't it?
	If snow melts and Things like the collapse of this ice shelf cause a decline in the salinity of the ocean.
	It is going to change ocean currents dramatically.
	And we're going to lose a lot of crop growing areas, as well as possibly have situations occur, as has happened many times in the past in Earth's history.
	Where there are sudden changes in the climate, especially in the northern latitudes that render areas that are now uninhabitable.
	Well, heaven knows we're not seeing any climate change, are we?
	No.
	I'm sitting down here in San Antonio on a cold, rainy day.
	I think that we had one of the coldest days in history today in San Antonio.
	And incidentally, the reason, probably, that these extremes are taking place we're having 1996 was the hottest year on record.
	Now we're having one of the coldest winters on record.
	Extremes, Whitley.
	Lots of extremes.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Hold tight right there.
	We're at the bottom of the hour shortly.
	We will get to the phone.
	Stay right where you are.
	Whitley Streber is my guest.
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	What the hell is going on?
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 12th, 1997.
	Good morning.
	My guest is Whitley Strieber.
	And he'll be back in a moment.
	We are discussing all sorts of things, from asteroids to an ice shelf that is about to be destroyed.
	Something we should worry about?
	Part of the natural course of things?
	Or something we're causing?
	I don't know.
	All right, back now to Whitley Strieber.
	We will shortly begin to take phone calls.
	Whitley, on top of the ice shelf, about to crack up, break off, and what then, I suppose, melt.
	We've got additional ecological changes, like the frogs with many legs and eyes, where there ought not to be all kinds of awful things going on.
	I'm not a tree-hugger, Whitley.
	I've always been pretty much a political conservative, economically and socially, to some degree.
	However, a number of years ago, I began to realize that a lot of the political rhetoric that was AIMED AT ENVIRONMENTALISTS WAS NOT SCIENTIFICALLY MOTIVATED AT ALL, BUT RATHER POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY MOTIVATED.
	AND I BEGAN TO REGARD IT AS A BUNCH OF BUNK, AND I DO TODAY.
	AND I TEND TOWARD BELIEVING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OZONE DEPLETION.
	There's no question about it, Woodley.
	We have had spacecraft up, measuring the depletion.
	Yeah, it's definitely there.
	So, of the Russians, it's not a political thing.
	It's a real thing.
	How we handle it may be political, but it's really occurring.
	Well, we're going to have to face the consequences of a lot of things.
	The real question with regard to all of these things is how do we ensure that there's a
	world worth living in for our kids?
	Given the fact that there are so many of us on the planet, that even if every person on
	this planet was an absolutely fanatical tree hugger, we would still, just because there
	are so many of us, be causing dramatic changes in the way nature functions.
	And some of those changes are not good for us.
	In this particular case, we're going to see what it means for this ice shelf to collapse.
	It's not going to be the end of the world.
	It is going to do things that are not going to help us, and we're going to live with this.
	Hopefully, the other shelves, the bigger ones, like the Ross Ice Shelf, will not follow suit, although I must add That they show every evidence of being under tremendous stress as well.
	What if it does?
	What if literally all of the ice in the Antarctic over a number of years breaks off and melts?
	Then what?
	Well, then you have, if the Antarctic became de-iced, you would have a 200 foot increase in sea level worldwide.
	200 feet?
	Yeah, it would be disastrous in the extreme.
	So in other words, the majority of our coastal areas, east and west, in this country... The majority of them is not the word.
	All of them.
	Everything would be underwater.
	Yeah, you'd have a massive disaster.
	However, bear in mind that some of that ice is 25 million years old and maybe even older.
	It's not likely to happen that way.
	However, we do know From the geologic and historical record, that there are periods of time when there are sudden, dramatic changes on the planet, which we were talking about 12,000 years ago, which we do not really understand at all.
	We don't understand the mechanism of these changes.
	We know that in the past, areas like England and Norway have turned into climates like Greenland in a matter of 20
	or 30 years.
	And it's happened.
	I want to ask you a really hard question.
	Almost all of this that is going on, that is man-made, if it is man-caused, is because there are so many of us trying to lead such an industrial, modern life.
	The answer, if there is one, to reversing that, is to have far fewer people.
	Far fewer children, yeah.
	There are various ways to reduce the population, birth control being, I suppose, first, but opposed by the church, opposed for many other reasons worldwide.
	Now, either, it's my feeling, either we can reduce the population, a very unlikely scenario, China can do it because, you know, they're a dictatorship and they say you will do the following, but they're actually, even though there are so many of them, they are still a minority.
	Uh, considering the rest of the world's population.
	Um, or something will do it for us.
	It will.
	Absolutely.
	Nature's going to do it if we don't do it.
	There's no question about that, I don't think, at this point.
	So then, if Whitley Strieber were the population control czar, and you could literally order anything to happen you wanted to order, what would you do?
	I'd have to say one-child families.
	Worldwide?
	Worldwide.
	Yeah.
	In two generations, we'd be out of the woods.
	You know, it's little realized, but the human species has done a tremendous job of environmental conservation since the 70s.
	That's why we don't have an oil crisis anymore, for example, because we are becoming much, much more efficient.
	I wouldn't say that our record is all that bad.
	No, actually, we've done pretty well, Whitley, but take a trip to Bangkok, for example.
	but would not well enough to have a listen to many of take a trip to bangkok
	for example uh... i think it's a bit even closer there's another one of
	the same thing uh... in bangkok i i can tell you because i was there
	about forty or fifty percent of the traffic police in bangkok
	have uh... terminal lung disease because
	you can almost cut the air i mean you can cut the air
	And in most third-world countries now, the traffic is unimaginable.
	You think LA's bad?
	Yes.
	And the controls on emissions are zero.
	Zero.
	Right.
	And they are putting unbelievable things into the air.
	Yes.
	And so if it is true, then, that we are changing our climate from what we're putting in the air, as the third world tries to come to where we are, It's going to stop, Whitley.
	That's correct.
	It will stop.
	We will not make it the way it's going right now.
	It has to change.
	And the probability is that we're going to see that nature will make those changes for us to some extent.
	I don't know how great that will be.
	Hopefully, we won't get into one of these situations where the whole system just snaps on us, but that there will be a series of Let's put it this way, things like the Larson Life Shelf, which if there was ever an early warning when this thing goes, that will be a very significant early warning, I think, I hope.
	Unfortunately, if it doesn't have any immediate effect on people's lives, I'm afraid that they'll simply decide, well, then I guess we don't need the Antarctic, it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, it's like people will say, well, so what?
	Now, there was a scientist, I think it was about a year ago, Who went to the Antarctic.
	I think you may have even mentioned his name.
	And he was saying all kinds of things.
	He was saying, oh my God, this is a tragedy.
	You should see what's occurring.
	The deep fissures.
	It's getting ready to go.
	The entire ice shelf is going to go.
	And people heard it and they went, wow.
	And then sort of forgot it.
	I was down in Auckland, New Zealand in 1989.
	And everyone in Auckland, the city was complaining that the US Air Force was Using the local airport so extensively day and night that it was causing disruptions and a lot of noise, and they were protesting to the government about it.
	I have had members of my family in the Air Force, and I had very little trouble finding out what was going on.
	And it turned out that they were doing supply missions to bases in the Antarctic that were observing the ice.
	And the situation with the Larson Ice Shelf is only just the tip of the iceberg.
	There's a lot more wrong down there.
	For example, we have to differentiate between ice shelves and ice sheets.
	The sheets are not now Floating, they are on land.
	And one of the things that apparently happens to glaciers is that they get a material under them between the glacier and the surface it's on that's a kind of almost like the consistency of a snow cone would be.
	In other words, it's not completely melted and then the whole thing suddenly slides into the sea.
	And this can be a sudden process.
	And there's a substantial amount of evidence that that type of material is appearing under certain glaciers and parts of the ice sheet in Antarctica.
	If that happens, we're going to feel it.
	I mean, that will be an environmental catastrophe that people will be able to feel because it will cause a change in sea levels.
	and you can have a situation very easily where something like that causes a change in sea
	levels of five or six inches average worldwide, but then when you have a storm surge, you'll
	find out that areas of the planet that have not flooded in living memory will be substantially
	flooded because of that rise in sea level.
	Is it possible that something can occur fairly rapidly?
	Because, you know, we're mortal beings, and unless we see rapid change in our lifetimes, something fairly dramatic... Hopefully it will be something dramatic, fairly dramatic, but not so dramatic that it kills a lot of people.
	That's what I'm hoping we will see.
	Enough to sober us up and make us realize that we have to start, instead of just looking To the next year, or two years, or five years, we have to start planning for the next generation, or the next few generations, because mankind is... I mean, we're worth keeping, I think.
	I hope so.
	Look at the animal mutilations, and that may seem like quite a jump, but let me give you what I think is the best theory regarding them.
	Lynn Moldenhauer reports on them all the time.
	Surgical cuts, reproductive organs taken out with surgical precision in other parts of animals, Speculation.
	Our military is doing it.
	I think that's baloney.
	They can get all the cows they need.
	They don't need to sneak into some farmer's field in the middle of the night.
	Best speculation about why it might be going on is that if there are others, they are doing this to environmentally monitor us.
	Well, I think that the key here is the fact that the parts of the animals that are taken are the areas where Tissue change, cellular turnover is most rapid, mucous membranes and things as Linda has pointed out, and obviously somebody is looking for something, and obviously, I agree with you completely, what a ridiculous thing for the military to go sneaking out in the middle of the night to do this, when they could just buy the cattle.
	Now there have been reports, Whitley, of helicopters in these areas either responding to what's happening because there is something in the air, some object in the air, or we know about it and it's being done with our cooperation.
	Well, I've had the impression for some time that there's a level of cooperation between the government and something else out there.
	But whatever that something else is, it's so secretive and so unwilling to interrupt the flow of human life or human culture that it may be monitoring us, but it's not helping us because it doesn't give us enough information about why it's monitoring us.
	If there's some kind of a problem, why don't they tell us what it is so we can try to correct it instead of sitting back and monitoring affairs and leaving us in the dark about what the cattle mutilations are?
	Boy, I wish I had those answers.
	The greatest frustration of my life is having lived as I have for ten years with the certain knowledge that something is happening that is extremely unusual in this area and shows every evidence of pointing towards some kind of critical environmental problem or problem with the human species or something that we don't understand and that it won't tell us.
	Well, then you can imagine two scenarios.
	One, that they are friends, and they will step in at the appropriate moment, when an asteroid threatens to end all life, or when we threaten to end it by our own actions, and they will step in and somehow assist us.
	Or, that they are simply waiting, using the old Star Trek non-intervention policy, knowing that we are about to destroy ourselves, monitoring I think if they were going to step in to help us with regard to the population crisis, it would have happened 100 years ago.
	And it didn't.
	Because we're past the point of no return on a population crisis.
	I think if they were going to step in to help us with regard to the population crisis, it
	would have happened a hundred years ago.
	And it didn't.
	And therefore, because we're past the point of no return on a population crisis.
	I don't think any stepping in right now would help.
	So if anybody did essentially come forward and say, Hi, I'm from Alpha Centauri and I'm here to help you, we should regard it as the government makes that statement.
	I wonder if it's, I wonder if how people would really respond to that.
	I was on a, when I was on my author tour for the Secret School last month, which incidentally, to those who watch my website, it's the explanation as to why nothing has changed in a month.
	I have been very busy.
	I was put on a Christian broadcasting station.
	Oh, yes.
	And I was on a Christian network of some kind.
	I don't know which one.
	And the amount of screaming, the phone lines opened up like blasts from a shotgun.
	All at you, I'm sure.
	Oh, there were people screaming that the broadcaster Should be taken off the air for even having me on the station.
	Is that so?
	I mean, the fear and the hate, the fear that I was somehow or another in league with demons, it was just primitive.
	It was like going back to the Middle Ages.
	And I'm telling you, if someone from Alpha Centauri showed up, there'd be a lot of people who would react to anything they said.
	As being the word of the devil, and to be ignored and opposed at all costs.
	Well, I've always been certain, you know, like in the old Earth, the day the Earth stood still, when the saucer came down, and the door opened, and a little whatever it is comes out.
	Oh, they'd fill them full of so much lead, Whitley, you couldn't put enough military there to protect it, that people would regard it as the devil, as devils, as evil.
	incarnate coming to earth and they would kill it on the other hand
	everywhere i went on my offer to there was one thing that was consistent
	in crowd after crowd as i gave lectures they were all full of our welfare
	uh... we there's another side of the court i mean and those people
	would listen they would always
	they would Yeah.
	But we are a minority, I'm sorry to say.
	We really are a large minority.
	And look, when I open my phone lines, even though we're obviously not Christian-oriented, you'll get some of the same thing.
	That what you're dealing with is the devil, and the doors you're opening are going to lead to our doom.
	And so you're sort of the leader of the pack, Whitley.
	That's the way some of the religious right definitely regards you.
	What do you say to them?
	Well, that the biblical paradigm came from a time when mankind knew very little about the real size of the universe.
	Now we know more, and if God created only men, demons, and angels, then what is the explanation for all the extra stuff that he created?
	Ditto that there are, in the known universe, there are in excess of 10 billion stars for every human creature on this planet.
	And now, why would all of that be necessary, just to create this small little species on one planet?
	Well, it's not.
	But we're very egocentric, and we want to consider ourselves the center of the universe.
	And yet, if you look at the Earth, for example, with regard to its placement We're in the suburbs out here.
	I mean, you've got to look real hard to see where the Earth is compared to where most of the planetary action is.
	We're in the serious suburbs, Whitley.
	We're rare.
	That is quite clear from the fact that, for example, we think of, well, there must be billions and billions of Earth-like planets out there.
	And there probably are.
	But, at the same time, in order for a planet like ours to bear life, it has to have a moon in counter-rotation around it.
	All right, Whitley, hold it there.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	When we come back, we will open the phone lines.
	My guest is Whitley Streber.
	Stay right where you are.
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	i see them blue for me and you and i think to myself
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 12, 1997.
	Asteroids and ice shake and bake.
	We're talking with Whitley Streber.
	And it's no joke.
	The asteroids are real, more and more crossing Earth's orbit.
	We may be moving into an area where we're going to see a lot more of them than we would want to see.
	With regard to the Larson ice shelf, there is no question about it.
	It is about to disintegrate.
	Disintegrate.
	We've got several very, very reliable scientific reports, all of which agree this ice shelf is about to be history.
	What will it mean for us?
	Well, that's what we've been talking about, and we're about to turn to the phones, all of which are going like crazy.
	So, coming up in a moment, you and your chance with Whitley Strieber.
	Well, here's a kind of a neat one, Whitley, and then we'll go to the phones.
	Arden Whitley, have you considered that locked in that ice, which is thousands and millions of years old, is also bacteria?
	Bacteria and viruses that have not been exposed to mankind in as much time.
	Could these long dormant bacteria not also cause a great effect in washington
	when we have done course of people in uh... greenland we haven't found
	that to be the case uh... so
	i don't i don't say that it's impossible but uh... at the moment uh...
	we have never on the unleashed any unknown bacteria when we've taken those
	course out of from from very deep ice so hopefully that won't happen
	But they have found, have they not, Woodley, animals with, as you put it earlier, greenery still in their digestive systems?
	Oh yes, now that's a different story.
	It's very clear that around 10,500 BC there was a An unusual event on this planet that caused the sudden freezing of areas in what is now the tundra in Siberia and Alaska.
	Areas that have never subsequently been unfrozen and that were temperate when the freeze took place.
	Graham Hancock's book Fingerprints of the Gods goes into this in great detail in a book by Rand and Rose Flemeth.
	I forget the title of the book.
	It also discusses this whole subject of what happened back then.
	Their theory is that something changed, whether it was an impact or what it was that caused it.
	That caused the planet to actually shift the crust of the Earth to change position, to move south about 2,000 miles, bringing all of the ice that had been under the North Pole to the south, and taking a big portion of the Antarctic continent under the South Pole, causing it to become covered with ice.
	And at that point, The ice that had been under the North Pole was now at about the latitude of Wisconsin, and Central Canada had all melted.
	Temperate?
	Yeah.
	And then remelted on the North Pole.
	The trouble is, with this theory, is that there doesn't seem to have been enough time.
	I mean, it seems like the remelting of the polar ice would have been much slower than that, and the process would still be going on.
	But something happened back then that did kill a great number of animals in that area, absolutely, and left it permanently cold.
	So it can happen very quickly.
	All right, to the phones we go.
	Let's see what we get.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	I just wanted to say from everybody in Middle Tennessee, we regard you as the president of talk radio.
	I thank you.
	The thing is, a while back I took an in vitro chemistry course and in there the professor talked about that there's a basic formula in nature itself.
	That nature, whether it's radioactivity or bacteria in a petri dish, there's a basic curve.
	I think he called it the bell curve.
	Where things grow geometrically to a point and then they stop, or they severely diminish and taper off.
	And this is true throughout the course of any kind of scientific study.
	I'm sure Whitley... That's right, it is true.
	And it tells us that there is going to be a mechanism that reduces the human population at some point when we trip that wire, wherever it is.
	Yes, and one thing this professor said was that we are right there Well, I happen to agree with your professor, and I bet Whitley does, too.
	I'll tell you something.
	diminishing return point where all of a sudden major changes
	come about i mean i'm talking like fifteen to twenty five years and and
	that's what the professor said well i happen to agree with your professor and
	uh... i bet whitley does to uh... i'll tell you something uh...
	i think that it is our job to be spiritually enough
	aware enough to understand this and we are the only intelligent truly
	intelligent creatures on the
	face of the globe and if we cannot correct it
	then nature is going to take its course Eh, Whitley?
	That's correct.
	I'm sure that's true.
	I feel that with what's happening to the Larsen Ice Shelf, we're having an early warning of the way nature will take its course.
	You know, there's an interesting thing that I'd forgotten to mention earlier in the show that I wrote about in The book I published in 1988 called Transformation, the second of my books about Close Encounter.
	You sent me a copy of it.
	Yeah, about the Fatima letter.
	The letter that was allegedly left by a letter of predictions that was opened by Pope John XXIII in 1960.
	Right.
	It was supposed to have been made public at the time.
	It was never made public.
	In fact, in 1987, the church denied that the letter had ever even existed.
	and yet uh... back in nineteen fifty nine in nineteen sixty there was great
	interest in the in in in its opening in plenty of news stories to the effect of it had been opened
	and that decision was made not to release the content
	i heard in nineteen eighty seven from a uh...
	uh... uh... actually it was uh... i thought it was a uh... a man but i thought that's what we remembered that
	looked in my old records more clearly
	It was a woman who was connected with the church hierarchy, who was in a position to know what the contents of the letter were, and told me that the letter had predicted that there would be Inundations and floods throughout the earth starting in 1994, and that the peak would begin to be reached in 1997.
	in nineteen ninety seven interestingly enough
	the uh...
	it in the past couple of years in nineteen ninety five for example
	forty-six million people worldwide experienced for
	there were so many floods on this planet and and and if you look just in the past few months in the nineteen ninety six
	in the pacific northwest
	there have been tremendous flood again in and uh... now we have this
	suggestion that uh... that the antarctic could be becoming profoundly unstable
	It might be that there's something in that prophecy.
	Well, I'm not a weatherman.
	I haven't studied it, but I know we're going to have a terrible hurricane season coming up.
	And I just know that.
	As I know it's going to be a very, and has been so far, a very difficult winter.
	As you pointed out, horrendous flooding in the Northwest.
	And in fact, worldwide, some of the pictures from Europe were amazing photographs.
	Absolutely terrible weather.
	I agree.
	Alright, back to the phones.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Belheim.
	This is Rick in Cleveland.
	How are you doing?
	Pretty good.
	I wanted to say hi to you both, you and Whitley, from the Graffy Knoll here on AOL.
	Where are you calling from?
	I'm wondering, what do you think it would take to actually mount a real effort to stop one of these killer aspirins?
	I mean, how many weeks notice do we need?
	Good question.
	Well, the closer it is, the harder it is to do anything about it, because we have less time, and we need to apply
	more energy to the object, because we have to obviously move it farther to ensure that it misses us.
	We're better off doing this millions of miles out in space.
	We're not equipped to do that now.
	Right now, we probably would not be able to successfully effect that, because we have missiles that could be conceivably retargeted to an object like that, but they would Strike it with relatively small nuclear warheads at a quite a short distance, less than 10,000 miles out.
	And if you consider that some of these things will be going up to 50,000 miles an hour, you can see how that would be a very near thing.
	We need to develop a rocket that can deliver, or a delivery system that can deliver A medium-sized nuclear weapon, millions of miles out in space in order to deflect these objects.
	I would have a lot of questions also.
	Thank you, caller.
	For example, Whitley, let's say that we hit something that was a week or two out with many megatons, that it was a mile in size, would have destroyed the planet.
	Well, we would then break it up into, I presume, We'd be in trouble.
	We'd be in big trouble if it was that close.
	Wouldn't we irradiate all of that material, some of which would still be pretty good size, and would come down radioactive?
	We could easily create a much worse situation doing that.
	That's quite correct.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	I'm going to be a Christian.
	Okay.
	The broadcaster didn't say that, but some of his listeners certainly did.
	Okay.
	Well, see, I was formally in the occult very seriously, and some of the things that I had involved with, I can say this, that with certain things that you're involved with, a lot of people look at it like sacrifice and all that.
	That's part of Satanism.
	Oh, Whitley, you haven't been sacrificing people, have you?
	I haven't.
	I have no interest in that at all.
	I've never been involved in that.
	All right.
	Hey, caller, judging from your accent, you're somewhere in the Bible Belt.
	Where are you?
	Ohio.
	Ohio.
	Well, I don't know if Ohio's in the Bible Belt or not.
	You tell me.
	It's right in the southern tip of the forest between Kentucky and West Virginia.
	Well, what's your point about you were in the occult?
	Yeah.
	What has that got to do with... Okay.
	I didn't get to hear the program so I'm not trying to say what they said about you because I don't see that you're a Satanist or anything.
	Once you've been in it you pretty much know what's going on with it.
	On the other hand, the word occult simply means mysterious or hidden.
	The hidden part of it.
	Satan doesn't want people to know exactly what he's doing.
	Now, how this gets into alien entities, I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr. Carl Ball.
	No, I haven't.
	He's an archaeologist.
	What he does is he's got a lot of tapes and videos and stuff where he's actually come across some Very interesting facts about which, going to the Bible, talks about the firmament around the heaven.
	And it was a two-inch form of water.
	That was what the firmament was.
	And the occult side of it is, from the point that when a person Well, I'm not sure what you said in the first part, so don't jump to anything else until you explain to us what you're saying here.
	Here's what comes down to it.
	According to the Bible, which a lot of people in and out of, the point that I have in Eve's sin, a lot of people look at that story as a symbolic story, but having been a former occultist I know for a fact that Satan really hates the Bible message.
	Alright, now there's a reason why.
	Are you a born-again Christian, sir?
	I am now.
	I sense that.
	Okay, very strongly.
	And the reason why is because... Well, this is going to take me a long time.
	I don't want to take up much of your time.
	Well, you're not going to be able to because we're out of it.
	But, Whitley, the thrust of that and the reason he was having a hard time saying what he was trying to say Well, I don't know.
	I hope I'm not.
	I know you've given thought to it, haven't you?
	Of course.
	wrote a book called the secret school here and uh... he was really trying to say and be used to
	be polite about it people are about a girl that you are dabbling uh... in
	these areas well i don't know
	uh... hard i hope i'm not i i i know you can't find it you've given thought to it
	haven't of course i've given a great deal of thought to it i mean some of the
	some of the things that i think i've said on the show before that i have
	confronted in my
	in my close encounter experiences have seemed incredibly evil.
	I mean, I'll be just as plain as I can about that.
	On the other hand, there have been many aspects of it that have not seemed that way at all, and the net result of it is that it all seems really different, but profoundly human in the sense that If you look at mankind, you can't pick out people who are evil and people who are good.
	It's a mix.
	we're all in the gray area we're good sometimes sometimes we do wrong
	We just can't help it.
	The Close Encounter Experience reflects that.
	It's not a black or white deal at all.
	It's also in the gray area.
	Like most of life.
	Like most of life, exactly.
	I wouldn't say that the biblical paradigm is impossible.
	I wouldn't discount it.
	I wouldn't discount anything.
	Not before I really know what this close encounter experience is all about.
	I also don't discount it, Woodley, but I'm loathe to jump, as so many fundamentalists seem to do, to explaining anything that I cannot understand Well, exactly.
	That was the other thing.
	I always ask people about that.
	You know, why wouldn't it be angelic?
	There's a reason that in the Bible, when angels are depicted, they're fearsome and terrible, because they know the truth.
	And mankind, you know, Satan says, It's secretive, and we conceal our sins from ourselves.
	It could be that something that looks terrifying to a sinner looks that way because it's good.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Seattle.
	Seattle, alright.
	And my question is that if a comet were to pass through the asteroid belt, whether it's within the planetary plane or not, Yes, and orbits are constantly getting perturbed a little bit.
	asteroids and you know create a lot of our Apollo asteroids.
	Comets do pass through the asteroid belt routinely.
	I think they all do.
	Yes, and orbits are constantly getting perturbed a little bit.
	It only takes one to get perturbed a little bit the wrong way and cross us.
	A bad day at Black Rock.
	Listen, Whitley, hold on.
	We'll be right back.
	Bottom of the hour already from the high desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 12, 1997.
	The Coast to Coast AM concert was held on February 12, 1997 at the San Francisco International Airport.
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	Tonight's program originally aired February 12th, 1997.
	My guest is Whitley Strieber.
	The guy from the secret school.
	That's actually the title of his latest book.
	We'll get back to him in a moment.
	Well alright, as the space shuttle Uh, grapples with Hubble to try and put in an upgrade, a very interesting occurrence, by the way.
	We're discussing all manner of things, like asteroids, uh, ones that might strike Earth, as will be depicted in the NBC movie coming up this Sunday and Monday, and the Larsen Ice Shelf in the Antarctic, which is about to crack and disintegrate and be no more.
	And the Ross Eye Shelf, the big one, is not in that great shape either.
	So, we're talking with Whitley Strieber.
	Back to the telephones, and we've got plenty of those.
	First-time caller on the line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Yeah.
	First of all, I have a question for you, Art.
	All right.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Austin.
	Austin, Texas.
	Okay.
	Yes, sir.
	Has this been possibly a topic for Major Ed Bain so far?
	Oh, well, in a sense, yes.
	I mean, like this specific thing?
	Not specifically, no.
	Okay, he hasn't really investigated... He's got a very great deal to say about the environment, and if you listen closely, not much of it is very different, really.
	Okay.
	And now, for Whitley, is it possible that... I know you already mentioned, kind of, a little bit about this earlier.
	Is it possible that this is going to start and it's going to be like a chain reaction type thing where more ice will break off?
	Oh yes, I think that's not possible, but it's probable.
	It's very likely.
	What's happening is that the average temperature on the surface of the ice is rising.
	It's not just rising on the Larson Ice Shelf, it's rising on the whole Antarctic continent.
	The problem is that we can sustain the loss of this relatively small 4,600 square mile ice shelf with unknown but probably not disastrous environmental consequences.
	Small, but bearing in mind it's quite a bit bigger than, say, Rhode Island.
	Well, it's bigger.
	It's as big as New England.
	I mean, it's big in that sense, but compared to some of the others, it's small.
	Right.
	I mean, it's true that there could be, it could turn out to be an environmental tripwire and cause much more trouble than anyone expects, but the problem is that it is a symptom of a much bigger issue, and that is that these ice sheets that are attached to the continent itself are in danger of sliding into the sea.
	I think I misspoke myself earlier in the evening when I said that the melting of Antarctica would increase sea levels by 200 feet.
	It's actually much larger than that.
	The melting of a third of the East Antarctic ice sheet would increase sea levels by 150 feet.
	That's the correct statistic.
	Holy smokes!
	The Larson Ice Shelf is actually part of that area, and if that does begin to cave out into the sea, I mean, the sheet begins to move into the sea, it's definitely going to be a big problem.
	I think it's really quite serious, and this is just a symptom.
	The loss of the Larsen Ice Shelf means the Antarctic continent is in trouble, basically.
	Well, there's not a lot we can do, is there?
	I mean, you can say, write your congressman, but it's going to happen, Whitley.
	It's not just the U.S., it's the world.
	And if we're having an effect, we're going to continue to have it.
	I'm not that naive.
	We're headed toward whatever is going to occur.
	I think there's going to be a change in human consciousness.
	I wouldn't discount the mind of man yet.
	It's very optimistic of you.
	I am fairly optimistic.
	I think that we're going to experience more pressure in the next 50 years than we ever have in our history because of the effect that we are having on our environment and because of all kinds of other factors.
	We are going to respond to that with an outburst of incredible creativity.
	Because as a species, I think on balance, we want to live.
	Right now, the death wish of mankind is centered in the need to have an economy that is in continuous expansion.
	We're changing that.
	We will not be in this kind of economy in 50 years.
	It will be different.
	There's no question in my mind about it.
	I heard an optimistic Whitley.
	It's a pleasure to talk to you.
	I have a two-part question.
	Number one, Whitley, could you further elucidate on what you said earlier regarding your encounters as far as you didn't know whether they were good or evil, or they were sometimes both?
	If, I am by no means a fundamentalist, but if you take the postulate of the Bible, which is this war going on between these groups, these sets of beings out there, would this have anything to do perhaps with, might they have an interest in trying to change our consciousness or to stop that from happening?
	And does this make any sense with what you have observed from your own encounters?
	Okay, the short answer is this.
	It does make a certain amount of sense, truly.
	It does.
	There is an implication of some kind of a conflict, almost, about what to do about us.
	Well, to give you one simple example, there are UFO sightings and video made of UFOs every day all over the world.
	It's become a commonplace of life.
	Very little of it ends up on television.
	It's quite amazing what I get, though.
	I wonder why, Whitley.
	You're in a culture of denial.
	It started back in the 40s when the government elected to keep the whole business secret, and then the media and latched onto that and the intellectual community and
	the educated people along with it.
	And there's now a commitment to that, it's an emotional commitment, it hasn't got anything
	to do with reality.
	I could prove, give me an hour on television, which I cannot incidentally get, and I could
	prove without question that UFOs are real.
	Absolutely prove it.
	The point I'm trying to make here is this.
	On the one hand you have some part of this thing that is trying like hell to go public.
	On the other hand, you have the incredibly secretive side of it, which is the abductions and all of that.
	Are you looking at two different sets of aliens who are in conflict over what should be done here or what are you looking at there?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	With respect to the word denial, here's the facts.
	The majority of the human race will react to a known impending megacatastrophe of any kind as follows.
	First, there will be massive denial.
	Then, as the reality builds to irrefutable proportions, overwhelming mass terror and panic.
	Unfortunately, most of us cannot even handle moderate change in existing paradigms, much less an event of this degree of magnitude.
	Daryl and Rancho Mirage, agree?
	I think he's right on the money.
	I think that the species would go through the same process that an individual goes through when they face their impending death, when they realize they're going to die, when they get some terminal disease.
	The first thing is denial, and that would absolutely be how it started off.
	The second thing is a frantic effort to avoid it.
	And then there comes a surrender, a time of peace.
	I just went through this recently with a friend, the whole process.
	That time of peace is a time of absolute miracles in a person's life as it comes to its conclusion.
	Like the dying process?
	Yes, and I think that what would happen to us at that time probably would be that the mysteries that surround us of What we really are, where we came from, what the soul is or isn't, whether or not the dead exist, the meaning of our existence and the way we live in a kind of enforced ignorance about our real nature, all of that would be revealed at that point.
	What the death of the species would turn out, the physical death of the species, Would turn out to mean would probably be something very, very different from what we now think.
	Interesting.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm Peter on the North Shore of Chicago.
	Yes, sir.
	I would like, please, to offer a few comments and or possibly facts concerning FATMA.
	I happened to be living in New Mexico in the fall of 1986 when a film was released starring Martin Sheen.
	Interestingly, that is the only state in which the film was shown.
	It was previewed there with the hope of making it nationally available.
	For whatever reason or reasons that did not happen, we were privileged to see this and virtually nobody else did.
	What was it?
	I believe the title is A State of Emergency.
	Briefly, Sheen learns of the message of Fatima.
	He's a highly skilled and placed engineer and or astronaut type person.
	His whole life becomes rerouted.
	He goes to Fatima.
	He learns some incredibly Arresting things about the whole series of revelations, which we won't take time to get into, but what I'd like to please offer is Pope John Paul II, as you know, was shot in the 1980s.
	You may not know that he took the bullet that was taken from his body to Fatima.
	Yes, I did know that.
	Okay.
	And he has said that the messages of Fatima are more relevant now I've read those stories.
	when given what is now 70 plus years ago.
	You are able to see if you go to the archives of the New York Times how they carried the
	story of the over 75,000 persons that witnessed the great miracle of the sun in October of
	1916.
	Oh yes, I've read those stories.
	I even made it my business to do research into it at one point, thinking about writing
	a novel about it.
	I met some people who were there who actually saw the incident.
	Not the lady, but who were in the crowd of 75,000.
	And in one case I met a man who was 30 miles away and had seen quite incredible things happening.
	So it was a remarkable, it was a truly amazing incident.
	I'll tell you another thing that's fascinating about it.
	An additional prediction Was made in, was revealed in 1923 to the effect that if the mankind saw an extraordinary light in the sky... That's part of the film!
	Well, that that would mean that the, uh, that the, uh, that the punishment that would be, that there had been insufficient prayer and mankind had remained turned away from From the good, that is to say, in a state of denial, and that there would be a war.
	Now, interestingly enough, in 1938, over Europe, there was such an unusual and extraordinary auroral display that was reported in newspapers worldwide.
	Subsequent to that, the series of events that led to World War II What I thought would be of interest in light of the great discussion I've been listening to is the following.
	We have, through no one less than the mother of Jesus Christ, in those messages to children who were, I believe, illiterate at the time, speaking to adults Courageously, if you know the story, Mr. Streeper, you know, and I certainly do, they were threatened with death, oiled in oil by the authorities in order to extract the messages.
	They withstood all of these threats and harassments and being disowned by their own loved ones in at least one or two instances.
	There was heroic fortitude given from heaven, obviously, working in those children.
	And I believe it only makes sense to take what they Share it with us.
	It is our roadmap, as it were.
	And what is that?
	It is prayer, consecrating of oneself to the Virgin Mary's Immaculate Heart in order to be disposed to fulfill in each person's life that which God wants of them.
	And that will build the peace that she, and this is very important, definitively stated will come.
	As you know, it was not a conditional promise it was in the end
	my immaculate heart will triumph and there will be a
	alright caller thank you look whitley here's what i want to say
	before you respond to that wife out of my
	wine messages that are held uh... in secret and read by popes and the
	word has to leak out If God wants us to know something really serious is going on, why not make us all aware of it in a way that only God could?
	I agree completely, but if mankind is here to make a choice, a free choice, then The question has to remain open.
	Otherwise, we can't make a free choice.
	Fine, then why Fatima?
	On the other side of the coin, why Fatima?
	In other words, why influence us at all if we are to be allowed to be the guides of our own destiny?
	Then why try and influence us with little hints, either in yawn, either... You know, I'm giving you questions that I know you can't answer.
	No, I agree with you completely.
	I think that it's the same thing that happens when you have a life in the close encounter experience.
	You find yourself in a situation where you always seem to learn the absolute minimum amount necessary to make you realize that there is a way to do it that works.
	I think that the warnings that have That have been consistent, by the way, from the Virgin, not only from Fatima, but from dozens of other apparitions, some of them equally well documented, have always been the same, that there must be a turning toward something.
	In other words, there must be prayer, and as he says, the dedication to the Blessed Virgin is a part of that process, certainly for some people.
	My response, by the way, to the issue of prayer is this.
	I was not interested in prayer before I started having close encounters, and I was driven to it by the fact that they were so Overwhelming, and so inexplicable that I was left with nothing else to do.
	I won't pretend to be a person who has led a life of prayer, but I discovered something interesting about prayer.
	If you let yourself, prayer becomes a remarkable pleasure.
	It is not a chore at all if you open yourself to it.
	Become a form of companionship.
	It's an amazing experience.
	absolutely amazing alright uh... whitley hold tight uh... the time just flies
	by and uh... whitley's books communion and so many others the
	latest the secret school
	available in bookstores nationwide We will continue with Whitley in a moment.
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	NBC will be showing you Sunday and Monday.
	There's a plug for them.
	There is a big discussion ongoing right now on the subject of asteroids, the Larson Ice Shelf, and much more.
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	guest is with me street burt
	Uh, it's an honor to have him here.
	He is back home between engagements.
	He's been on the road for I don't know how long.
	You probably feel like part of the pavement by now, Whitley.
	I did 24 lectures in 27 days, I think it was.
	It was interesting.
	Actually, how do you do that?
	I don't know.
	I just did it, but I couldn't tell you how you do it.
	There were so many people out there.
	It was wonderful.
	Sometimes I would be traveling overnight, and it would mean that I slept very little in like a 48-hour period.
	But when I would get to the bookstore and see it filled with hundreds of people, I had enough energy to go on easily.
	It was really wonderful.
	That's an interesting point.
	A transference of energy.
	Oh, yes.
	Definitely.
	And it applies to more than just book signings.
	I mean, there's a sort of a thing that goes on that may be the one thing that will save us.
	I don't know.
	But there's a sort of a transference and mass understanding.
	Right now, we have a mass understanding that something is coming.
	We don't know what it is.
	When it gets here, maybe there will be some sort of mass coming together.
	I hope that's true.
	Well, I hope so, too.
	If it's not true, then you have to perhaps conclude that mankind is a sort of mistake, and I find that very hard to believe.
	So do I. I don't want to believe I'm a mistake.
	No.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell, top of the morning.
	This is Hobner from Kuviak, Alaska.
	Wasn't Elijah abducted by a fiery chariot with 50 prophets watching him in 2 Kings 2.11?
	Yes, I think something like that did happen.
	What did Christians say about that?
	Well, what do you say about it?
	I believe he was.
	Well, yes, there are any number of instances in the Bible that suggest, well, Ezekiel is another Perfect instance of something that happened that seemed to be a kind of a close encounter of some sort.
	So if they're saying it's Satanism, how come a God's prophet was abducted by a Satanist?
	I think that the assumption is that if it happens to the other guy, it must be Satan, but if it happens to you, it has to be an angel.
	Yeah, okay.
	In Revelation 8, it talks about a fiery mountain coming out of the sky and hitting the earth.
	Now, it was the waters and the ocean.
	Isn't that going to cause a big tidal wave?
	Isn't that going to lift the caps off both poles?
	Well, it would have to be pretty big.
	Let me put it this way.
	If an asteroid a couple of miles across hit in the middle of, say, the Atlantic, it would create tidal waves that would inundate Kansas City.
	Did you say Kansas City?
	I said Kansas City.
	Well, we have had on this planet situations where there were tidal waves 10,000 and 15,000 feet high.
	Not recently, but it has happened.
	The amazing thing about the Earth is the Earth is really old, and practically everything that can happen to it has happened.
	There has been only one thing that has been consistent about this planet since life began, and that is that life has continued despite everything.
	Just maybe not as we know it.
	Well, no.
	I firmly think life is going to continue.
	Whatever's coming, it'll crawl back or somehow continue.
	But remember, Art, here's the way it actually happens.
	It doesn't crawl back.
	Every time a disaster occurs, the next phase of life is richer, more alive, more conscious, better than what came before.
	It's the opposite of what you would think.
	Right, but there are a lot of people not around to observe that difference.
	The, yes, evolution.
	To the guys it happens to is always a big disappointment.
	I mean, I'm sure that the dinosaurs still don't think very highly of it.
	I'm sure they don't.
	East to the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Whitley Streber.
	Good morning.
	Hi, this is Bud from Owensboro, Kentucky.
	Hi, Bud.
	I just have one quick question and then I'll get off here and listen.
	Do you think the, you guys think the repairing of the Hubble right now in any way coincides with the They're coming to the comet.
	That's all I want to know.
	All right.
	A lot of people have had that on their mind.
	They are doing some upgrades or repair to the Hubble, and the timing is rather interesting, Whitley.
	There haven't been a lot of pictures, recent ones, from Hubble of the comet.
	And why the heck not?
	Well, there's one.
	There's one recent picture of the comet.
	The reason that there were no pictures in January is that If the Hubble mirrors were to touch the rim of the sun, it would vaporize the telescope.
	And there's a lot of nervousness about aiming the Hubble too close to the disc of the sun, for good reasons.
	I think the astronomical community would be very disappointed if it went up in a puff of smoke.
	Which it would do if it took in the sunlight.
	The sunlight would just burn it to a crisp immediately.
	So, I think there was a picture taken last week of the comet, a very good one, which interestingly enough has a star beside it.
	I suppose it is the stars indeed they said on the NASA website.
	See, it'll be interesting to see how they improve Hubble's vision or what they're doing.
	That really has not been explained.
	Do you have any idea what they're doing?
	No, it's not clear.
	It's not explained.
	Not to my knowledge.
	It may be explained in the Astronomy magazine and places like that.
	I have not seen a recent issue.
	But it hasn't been explained in the general press very clearly at all.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	This is Zeb of Minnesota.
	Zeb, you're going to have to speak right into your phone, good and loud.
	You're a little hard to hear, but go ahead.
	All right.
	This is Zeb of Minnesota.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello, Whitley.
	Hi.
	I've got a couple of points to make about a caller earlier, the guy who had dealings with the occult.
	Oh, yes.
	I just wanted to say, He mentioned that the devil doesn't want to know what he's doing.
	And I wanted to bring up the fact that also a lot of humankind will not be getting the messages that God will be sending.
	No matter how you view God, humanity on a whole will not be getting the message.
	And also that I had Before I went to my philosophy class today in college, I had this thought about the cycles of the past on the earth and how I view them more as cataclysmic births instead of the eras ending in death.
	The end, not as an end, but as a beginning, and I think that's fair.
	There probably have been, in my estimation, many ends and many beginnings.
	Not of everything, but many cycles, so I'm sure that caller is exactly right.
	A wildcard line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	It's Paul in Philadelphia.
	Yes, sir.
	Good morning, Whitley.
	Good morning.
	Yes, I just thought it was such an honor to speak with you.
	I just wanted to commend you.
	You seem to pursue the truth about what you think, and you seem to be very honest and supportive.
	I just appreciate it because I know that you must live your life under some pressure because of what you've experienced.
	I haven't read your books, but I respect you very greatly.
	You don't know if you're going to get through and I'm just glad that you're there and I appreciate your work.
	Thanks very much.
	I appreciate your getting through.
	It's true, there's a lot of pressure.
	I am a person who is identified with what the sociologists call rejected knowledge.
	You get kicked around.
	That happens to me a lot, and it's not pleasant.
	For example, my new book, The Secret School, was underpublished by the publisher, HarperCollins.
	They published so few copies that it sold out in the first week, week and a half, and Practically unobtainable.
	It's now in a little bit better shape around the country, but most bookstores don't have it.
	They don't reorder it because they don't like my books.
	They'd rather these books weren't there.
	Once the two or three copies they got were sold, they just didn't bother to reorder it.
	That's something that really bothers me.
	I'm glad that people have enjoyed your books.
	They want the truth presented in a way that they can make up their own minds about whatever
	they may hear.
	I know it's the way it is that certain things people aren't supposed to know or aren't supposed
	to think about certain ways.
	I'm glad that people have enjoyed your books.
	As I say, I haven't read them, but I may soon if I can find them.
	All right.
	Again, thank you.
	All right.
	Communion still generally available?
	The books, it's quite variable.
	Communion is still in print.
	So is Transformation.
	I think that the paperbacks, Communion, Transformation, and Breakthrough are much easier to find than The Secret School.
	There's something about The Secret School, it's weird because it's There are a lot of things in it.
	Like in it, I speculated that the Earth's core may be crystal.
	A crystal.
	I mean, that was one of the things that came up in The Secret School.
	Now there's stuff floating around in the news to the effect that there's a number of scientists who feel the core of the planet is crystal.
	I speculated in the book, one of the prophecies is that the mountain in Mexico, Popocatépetl, is in danger of exploding.
	Very close, man.
	And now it turns out, a year or a year and a half after that was written, it seems on the point of happening.
	And now the book is, it's not exactly being suppressed, but it's the next thing to it.
	It's really hard to find, and it should not be hard to find.
	Not when it sells out wherever it goes.
	Yeah, and why don't bookstores reorder it?
	I mean, I've even asked in one case, I asked them why they didn't reorder it, and the lady said, well, I just don't know.
	It's not that there's a conspiracy there, but there's a kind of level of denial.
	People don't want to grapple with these things.
	I understand.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi, Whitley.
	This is Frank from Reno.
	Yes, Frank.
	And I wanted to comment.
	You're going to Egypt and you're going to see the pyramid of Cheops here sometime in
	the fall.
	October 1st.
	Yes, around October.
	One of the things you may want to check out, there's a timeline, a prophetic timeline,
	as it is in that pyramid.
	And it starts, I believe, about 1600 years before the birth of Christ, and each inch
	equals one year.
	It goes up to the birth of Christ, 1600, some odd inches after that, and then 33 inches
	after that, the death of Christ.
	So what's interesting is 2000, exactly 2000, or just a little past 2000 inches, you have
	this whole prophetic timeline leading to an abyss, and there's no more prophecies.
	Now, among other things, I guess it predicted the explosion of the Space Shuttle, which is 1,986 inches past the birth of Christ.
	there's a book out as well that's written it's called two thousand
	uh... five five two thousand the impending i think
	and apparently uh...
	that one of the projections that uses the the pyramid of tia but one of the things that it says is that there's a
	planetary alignment taking place on may fifth that's correct
	the year two thousand and uh... the suggestion of the book is that
	will be facing an immediate i think it's much like what you were talking about what
	they've they found the animals there in siberia that work
	immediately frozen and i just wondered what you thought of all that
	All right, well, I'll turn it into another question.
	Whitley, what do you feel about prophecy generally?
	Well, I feel very strange about prophecy generally.
	Most prophecy is wrong.
	However, if you look at Prophecies that are correct, they can get very eerie.
	Well, like, for example, I was not aware of the timeline that he described, but most of the great long-count calendars end between the year 2005 and 2012.
	That's correct.
	The zodiac is making this radical transformation from Pisces to Aquarius.
	The human species is reaching some kind of Population Climax.
	The planet's environment is stressed.
	There seem to be all kinds of objects floating around in space, which may or may not always have been there.
	We're not sure.
	There is a feeling of there are aliens kind of ghosting around in our lives.
	Implants are being pulled out of people.
	UFOs flying around to the point where so many camcorder images are taken of them.
	Oh, yes, you have an implant, don't you?
	Well, I think I have one in my left ear.
	All right, hold that thought, Whitley.
	We're at the bottom of the hour, and since you mentioned the age of Aquarius, I'll let that take us through the bottom of the hour, then we'll talk about that implant.
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	Once again, here I am.
	Good morning, everybody.
	It's great to be here.
	My guest is Whitley Streber.
	And I'm going to have a couple of really interesting questions for him in a moment.
	I think we need to reflect on a couple of past shows, or at least get comment on them.
	So we will be doing that.
	Stand by for that.
	And I think you know the show that I am referring to.
	So, that coming up in a moment.
	More as we continue with discussion of all sorts of interesting things of a... of global interest.
	How about that?
	Now again reminding you we're in a chat room.
	If you would like to join us, it's America Online.
	All you do is go on AOL, reach up there, click on Keyword, enter Keyword Art Bell.
	A-R-T-B-E-L-L, that's my name.
	It will take you to the appropriate area.
	Then click on the grassy knoll chat room.
	And in you will come and you will find all kinds of people in there saying all kinds of things about what we're talking about and more.
	And I'm in there watching the comments roll by.
	All right, now, Whitley can't let this night go without asking you about that incredible program you did with me shortly.
	You recall, during that program, you suggested, as a possible compromise, that he take the photographs that he claims to have on film and submit them, not to the general public, but to perhaps a group of astronomers in Hawaii or elsewhere, privately to verify uh... what he has
	a shortly after that show uh... professor brown
	posted a statement saying he would not allow examination of any
	of the physical evidence and you recall during the show he said he would consider it
	so i wanted to get your thoughts on that whole thing now that we're down line
	from it a bit well i'm
	still very threatened by the whole experience and uh... i don't really
	understand what went on uh...
	i can't see any reason why he wouldn't have
	have uh... given the why not simply give it to an astronomer of his his own
	choice uh...
	The other thing about it that's always kind of bothered me ever since this whole business began was the fact that Pictures were alleged to be on rolls of film, and I can't seem to understand where there would be a professional telescope that makes its film on rolls, as opposed to CCD images or plates.
	I have asked around.
	I can't seem to find anyone who thinks that such material would have been transmitted in any form except as prints or digitally.
	I just don't understand what the full story is there.
	After the hand of God smashed this one large rock and made it into millions of little pieces
	of rock and it created the stars and the heavens.
	Question.
	Thank you.
	How many stars in our galaxy are possible or could be planets that may harbor
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	know the answer to that question anymore.
	It's constantly changing.
	It's a moving target.
	So as the more science seems to find out, and astronomers find out, and as Hubble gets
	better photographs, the more convinced scientists seem to become that life is common, not uncommon.
	Yes.
	That, I think, is the answer.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Where are you?
	I'm in San Antonio, Texas.
	Uh-huh.
	Mr.
	I just want to preface this by saying that I'm a big fan of yours.
	I've read Communion and a couple of your other books and I saw the movie, but I don't think
	you're going to like what I have to tell you.
	About five years ago, I read a book.
	I thought it was a very interesting book.
	I wrote to the publisher and got in touch with the author of this book.
	About five years ago I read a book and I thought it was a very interesting book.
	I wrote to the publisher and got in touch with the author of this book.
	I wanted to correspond with him.
	He called me and he told me some things about you.
	What book?
	It's a book called Abductions a Dangerous Game.
	No, Philip Klass.
	Yes.
	Phil Klass may or may not have told you about me.
	Probably very far from true.
	But what did he say?
	What did he say?
	I'm curious.
	Well, like I said, I'm a fan of Whitley's.
	I mean, I... Yeah, what did he say?
	I'm curious.
	Well, he said that he talked to your doctor.
	i mean i are all don't repeat that just couldn't say what i would be fair to
	clarify well he said that uh...
	that you uh...
	that he talked to your doctor
	it's a lot uh... he did not put
	My doctor never told him that I had temporal lobe epilepsy.
	I have been tested for that three times, very aggressively.
	I don't have the disease.
	The details of this and the tests and the dates, etc., and so forth, are in an appendix to a book I wrote in 1988 called Transformation, which Mr. Klass knows very well.
	And if he's still saying that, it's as nonsensical as it was the first time he said it.
	Well, story.
	Let's go on to the next caller.
	All right.
	Onward we go.
	Phil Klass.
	I've had him on the air a couple of times in debates, Whitley, with people, and I was kind of disappointed in the way that he debates.
	Well, he's a very inadequate advocate for his position, which happens to be a very valid position, because we do not understand Well, let me tell you the truth about this.
	There is, however, a difference between emotional denial and rational skepticism.
	And he is in emotional denial, not rational skepticism.
	I quite agree with you.
	By the way, Woodley, with regard, I said I was going to mention your implant.
	And since we're on the physical end of things right now, the medical side, what are you
	going to have done with that?
	Well, let me tell you the truth about this.
	I have had this examined by a couple of doctors and x-rayed.
	It doesn't show anything.
	There's no smoking gun.
	In other words, there's nothing showing a piece of technology in the x-ray.
	And I vacillate.
	I have said on a number of occasions, I'm going to get it taken out.
	But what stops me is that Betty Ruth Dagenais, who died in 1989, had one very similar one in her ear.
	It seemed to function quite similarly to the one I have.
	With the difference that she had some reason to believe that it would be very dangerous for her to take it out during her lifetime and wait until after her death.
	And every time I decide to get it taken out, I get cold feet.
	Because it's just so little known about the darn things.
	But I think this spring I am going to get it taken out.
	So that's where it stands right now.
	Report the results as to whether it was an implant or not, which is not known.
	I mean, it seems to me that it is, but... Well, on dark skies, they call it an art when they remove it, and I hope it goes easier for you than that.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Yes, Mr. Strieber.
	Curious to ask you if... Are you familiar with the Book of Enoch?
	The Keys of Enoch?
	It's the Book of Enoch.
	It is not officially recognized by the church.
	Oh yes, it's in the Apocrypha.
	Interesting enough that you mentioned crystals in the middle of the earth.
	It states in Enoch that that is indeed the case in the description of hell.
	Interesting also is that it correlates almost all the angels.
	I don't remember.
	I'm not familiar with it.
	Dead Sea Scrolls that have recently been put into print by Michael Wise, Martin Ebbeg,
	Edward Cook, confirm what is being said throughout the book of Enoch.
	I was just perhaps interested if you were familiar with the book and had read it.
	I don't remember.
	I'm not familiar with it.
	I am familiar, however, with the idea that the core of the earth may be an iron crystal.
	the idea that the that the core of the earth maybe maybe a iron crystal
	uh... that was reported on april the fourth nineteen ninety five in the new
	That was reported on April 4, 1995 in the New York Times, and it's a fascinating hypothesis,
	york times uh... that in it for
	fascinating hypothesis especially because of of uh...
	especially because of its implications in terms of the way the earth may...
	it implications in terms of of the uh...
	uh... the way the earth may for example if the earth is shocked by a
	sufficient impact uh... how will
	it actually react to that uh... in other words is this crystal going to resonate uh...
	in shannon some areas all kinds of things
	is it not interesting what lee when you consider how little we know about our
	own earth and our own earth you know we don't know what kind of core we have or
	anything else we don't know east of the rockies you're on the air with whitley streber
	and art bell Hi.
	Yes, hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm in the Northwest Territory of Chicago.
	All right.
	And I wanted to just say, Art, I've enjoyed your show and your webpage there, too.
	And Whitley, even as I've been listening to you, I'm also one of the fundamental Christians, and I'm not here to make just negative comments or anything, but what I want to say is I'm also part of a group of, a network of prophets all over the world, and we're seeing things that are going to be taking place.
	We're followers of Jesus Christ, and we are seeing things that are taking place right now that very soon there could be very cataclysmic events that are going to be taking place, and we're perceiving now that it looks like things are going to start happening, and I'm one of those people That believe that, you know, hey, if aliens are here and it's, you know, I can see how God can allow that to happen.
	I'm one of those people that when I look out and I look in the Word of God and the Bible, I see that there is definitely a war with Lucifer and a war with the powers of darkness.
	Caller, do you regard these as the end times?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Whitley, it seems like the religious would regard them as the end times.
	Or biblical cataclysmic events.
	The scientists are talking about their own sort of end times with the environment and all the rest of it.
	And the rest of us who are not scientists simply feel that something is coming.
	But no matter who you talk to, the story, while a little different, is really the same, isn't it?
	I think that it's going to be, though, not a single huge event.
	It could be.
	But I suspect it's more likely that it's going to build over a period of years, and there are going to be large numbers of events, each individual, which are individually quite big, like the collapse of the Larsen Ice Shelf, or perhaps an impact somewhere on the planet sufficiently large to cause significant damage, and building changes in the environment, dramatic shifts in the weather.
	And so on and so forth, that when we look back after another 50 years, we will realize that the world has changed more in another 20 years even.
	That the world has changed more in that time than it has changed in our entire history.
	You're exactly right.
	That's why this latest book came springing out of me so easily.
	I felt that it was something It's a funny thing.
	Now, I know you've read a lot more books than I have, but this one was boiling inside of me, Whitley.
	Just boiling.
	I know the feeling.
	It's an amazing feeling when that happens.
	It just, it poured out.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Soraya.
	I'm in San Antonio.
	Hi, Whitley.
	Hi.
	How you doing?
	Fine, thanks.
	Listen, I only get you till 4 o'clock here on WAI, as you well know, so I'm getting you in and out on KLIF.
	Alright.
	I didn't hear too much.
	A little while ago.
	But listen, I was wondering, what you said about the bookstores not carrying the Secret School, that's true, because I've been on a waiting list for what seems like forever, and I haven't gotten a call back that it's in or anything.
	Where have you been on the waiting list?
	Bookstop.
	Bookstop is just not reordering it.
	They're not?
	No.
	That's crazy.
	Well, I asked them about that.
	You know, it's like that all over the country.
	I know.
	I bet it is, and it's just crazy.
	There's a certain mindset that doesn't want to smoke.
	Hey, listen, about you not removing your implant, that sounds like that X-Files episode that was on last Friday about Dana Scully wanting to get her implant removed.
	You know, we have an implant.
	I don't say much about the implant study I'm working on because we're right in the middle of it.
	But we've got one, for example, we've already got probably the smoking gun, actually, that the skeptics have always said you would never get.
	Which is, this one is an implant that is made out of glass, essentially.
	It's a form of glass.
	It's a ceramic, they're calling it, because of various reasons, but it's essentially silica.
	And, incredibly, despite its formula, it conducts electricity.
	And we have no idea why.
	Really?
	None.
	Where were these tests done, Whitley?
	Here in Texas, at a lab, at a very sophisticated lab, in fact.
	Oh, that's incredible.
	Yeah.
	Glass is an insulator, not a conductor.
	I know.
	And this glass is a conductor, not an insulator.
	And the thing that's so bizarre about it is it doesn't appear to be anything in the formula that would explain that.
	It's just absolutely remarkable.
	All right, Whitley, we are out of time.
	It just flies by.
	It does fly by.
	We'll have to do it again soon.
	You're going to be going where?
	Hawaii?
	I'm going to Hawaii at the end of the month to speak for a group called Axiom.
	I'm going to be on Maui and Honolulu, and if you live in Hawaii, it will not be hard for you to find the details.
	I don't know them myself.
	I wish I did.
	I wish I had them at hand, but I don't.
	Well, I'll tell you what.
	When you get them, get them to me, and I'll get them on the air.
	Okay, great.
	I'll do that.
	I'll get them to you tomorrow.
	As usual, Whitley, it's not goodbye, but just until the next time.
	Until the next time, Art.
	Take care, my friend.

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