Dr. Steven Greer pushes for U.S. and U.N. extraterrestrial disclosure, citing 70+ witnesses—including pilots, astronauts, and CIA personnel—and a November 1996 White House/CIA position paper ignored by January 1997, while Mel’s 80,000-foot-deep "hole" near Manastash Ridge defies physics with no echo, animals avoiding it, and trash mysteriously vanishing. Greer’s Starlight Initiative aims for congressional hearings or global forums, but sabotage at U.N. events suggests deep-seated resistance. Meanwhile, Mel’s uncharted pit—maintained by a local named Stone—raises questions about hidden portals, Native American lore, or even advanced energy processes, with callers proposing radical investigations like cages and strain gauges. The episode blurs science, conspiracy, and folklore, exposing gaps in official transparency and the enduring allure of unexplained anomalies. [Automatically generated summary]
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Now we take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Dr. Stephen M. Greer is widely regarded as the world's foremost authority on the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence, ETI, and is the founder and international director of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or CSETI.
A lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society, Dr. Greer is an emergency physician and former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital in North Carolina.
Dr. Greer, as director of CSETI, has led research teams throughout the world investigating the existence of EPI extraterrestrial intelligence.
On several occasions, has successfully established preliminary contact and communication with extraterrestrial spacecraft at close range.
He has met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military, and intelligence operations in the U.S. and around the world, including senior CIA officials, joint chiefs of staff, White House staff,
senior members of Congress and congressional committees, senior U.N. leadership and diplomats, senior military officials in the United Kingdom and Europe, and cabinet-level staff members of the Japanese government, among others.
Since you're an emergency room doctor, before we get on off into other subjects, have you any experience, doctor, with people who travel in airplanes and get sick?
I travel about 100,000 miles a year, and so I know firsthand.
And I've actually had to take care of a couple of emergencies on transatlantic flights, including a woman who had a massive stroke.
But certainly there's a high risk of spread of infectious diseases on airplanes because of the close proximity and the recirculation of the air.
But that's another subject.
But Rice, I think that you should get a lot of rest, perhaps, and take some extra vitamin C to help fight off the viral illnesses and be sure you get lots of rest when you're traveling.
And the reason I'd like to speak to your listeners tonight is, well, there are several things to achieve, but primarily, and the thing that I think most people there would be interested in learning an update on, is the CCETI Project Starlight Initiative, which is the program designed to effect a global disclosure on the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence and the implications of that disclosure.
And we are in the phase now where we are collecting first-hand U.S. government and other world government military and intelligence workers and aerospace workers who have first-hand knowledge of extraterrestrial events or projects or programs who would be willing to join in a coalition of folks to come forward and disclose what they know to the world at a high-level event.
We have been briefing members of Congress on this.
I have briefed a senior U.S. officials and others around the world on this matter.
And we have identified quite a large number of these types of witnesses, but we would like to identify more of them for two reasons.
One is that there is definitely safety in numbers.
And number two, there is also increasing credibility when you have interlocking pieces of the puzzle that come forward where it becomes a corroborating effect.
Well, if and this is we're going to have a meeting in Washington soon to ask members of Congress to do exactly this, and that is to hold open hearings on the subject.
We would be able to produce around 70 or 80 first-hand witnesses to these events as well as people who have worked in military and intelligence and military-industrial complex settings dealing directly with this subject.
And here when I say directly, I mean not someone who said, you know, my grandpappy saw a dead ET on the desert floor in 1940-something.
We're talking people who have directly been in the radar room or been on retrieval operations or who have done pursuits in jet aircraft or who have seen things as an astronaut or a cosmonaut or who have been at facilities where they were working on extraterrestrial technologies and things of this sort.
And my problem is that, quite frankly, and one of the difficult things I've had to deal with, is that having been the point of contact to several dozen of these type of people, I'm now the person who's sitting on an extraordinary amount of information, and I hate to say it, secrets, which I think should not be held secret.
And so what we want to do is to move this forward at the highest possible level in a setting that has the gravitas and the credibility so that a definitive disclosure on this subject could be effected in the very near future.
Now, we feel that for this to happen in the best way possible, it would occur through open hearings in the Congress and emphasize the word open.
It's not going to do any good to have a covert hearing process or a secret hearing process so that this can just be vetted by members of Congress.
It would be educational for them, but the rest of the world would remain uninformed.
What we feel needs to happen is perhaps a period of behind the doors vetting of the subject, followed by an open disclosure process and hearing process, either through the Congress or through the United Nations.
And we are currently working on both of these fronts, both with UN officials and the Congress.
I believe that if it were not for interference from covert projects that have a very long arm, we would probably be able to do this most readily through the United Nations.
But I do know personally and without question, unambiguously, that there has been attempts to thwart, squash, and derail any such event through the United Nations.
And quite frankly, this is the first time I've said this publicly.
We are very concerned about that and if not a little dismayed.
There have been discussions which have been promising in the direction of at the very highest levels in the United Nations community to have a disclosure conference at the United Nations.
But unfortunately, there has been interference where some of these officials have been visited and shown materials where they are being instructed not to do anything on this subject.
And I find that deplorable but predictable.
You know, a couple of years ago, I don't think the UFO community knows this, and certainly the public doesn't, I was invited to give an address at the UN on this subject.
And the topic that I chose was the foundations of interplanetary peace and how you might create interplanetary relations.
And some very high-level UN people were coming to this.
And it was interesting because a couple days before the event, there were some notices put inside the offices at the UN, and they were all torn down within hours.
And nobody knows what happened to them or who did this.
But we know that that has happened, and it's very disconcerting.
But it's also very predictable because anyone who has any insight into the subject realizes this is one of the great secrets of the century, if not the millennium.
Without naming these people, do you have any sense of the kind of material they are being shown that would convince them that any public exposure is a bad idea?
Well, the people that I have met with and that people on my team have met with have been open to hearing about the subject.
And to be honest with you, there's not a question of whether or not the subject is true.
And this may be a shock to some people, contrary to some public statements that have been made, there's no question that the matter is real.
The question is, what do we do about it?
And how do you get this thing resolved?
And how do you resolve the complex issues surrounding covert management and extra, extra secret, super secret management of something which, in the words of Barry Coldwater, when I met with him, said it should have never been handled this way.
But now that it has been, you have a conundrum insofar as you have programs and infrastructure which is in place which arguably is sitting on extraordinary technologies and also extraordinary power.
And how do you get that turned around and put back into a normal oversight process in our government with the proper checks and balances that you would expect in a republic and a democratic government?
Well, that may be true at this juncture, but I think that being the descendant of one of the founders of the United States, people who fought in the American Revolution, and somewhat of a student of the Constitution, I differ with those who say that that is something which has evolved.
And I think Eisenhower warned us of this when he gave his speech where he said, beware the military-industrial complex.
But I think that in a certain degree of secrecy, you would always expect in an advanced society and even in ancient societies.
But when you have a subject like this, which is of immense importance to the world, and which is being seen by people all over the world, and yet which continues to be shrouded in the most extraordinary layers of secrecy, so much so that if I can share this little anecdotal story,
imagine sitting across the conference table at a meeting which has been set up with a sitting and current member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and briefing this individual on the subject.
And the person blinks and looks at you and says, Doctor, I have no doubt that what you are saying is true, but in my many years of being on the Senate Intelligence Committee, I have never heard of this matter, and I have never been briefed about this matter.
Now, there's a problem here.
And the man, I felt there was no prevarication in these statements.
And I'll say something else which may be equally startling to people, is that, and I'll say this with some confidence, I'm quite sure that I'm the only UFO researcher in the world who has had a nearly three-hour meeting with a sitting and empowered director of central intelligence.
Well, you have to take the weight of the evidence, and this is something which I think one of the great misfortunes in how this has been handled in the civilian sector, is that you cannot take one witness.
I don't care if it's an astronaut or anyone else, or one case, whether it's Roswell or the Belgian event.
You've got to take, you must assemble, and this is what we're working to do, and I hope people in your listening audience can help us do this.
You must assemble the best scientific evidence, metal samples of extraterrestrial origin, technological items of extraterrestrial origin.
We do have access to some of these.
You must put together the best photographic, videotape, government documents.
You must put together the best cases that have ever occurred, radar cases, pilot cases.
And then you must identify those, call them whistleblowers, if you will, or witnesses who have been in military or private contractor situations where they have had direct involvement with this subject.
And these are people who are credible and who are willing to testify under oath to Congress with penalty of perjury and going to jail if they were to lie.
Stand up and say, I will testify about this subject.
Well, yes, but as you know, or you may know this, that in November we wrote a position paper stating that those security oaths were null and void.
And we are taking the specific legal position that these people now should come forward and join together in a coalition to speak what they know about this subject in a public setting, choosing it very carefully, of course, because the nature of these programs are such that they are outside of the legal bounds of the Constitution.
They are extra-constitutional because they do not have the proper checks, balances, and oversight required by the U.S. Constitution.
Ergo, any security oaths which have been taken in support of such an illegal operation are themselves illegal.
Perforce, they are non-binding.
And this is the position that we are making, is that essentially these security oaths are at this juncture are null and void.
And we have written this in a position paper, sent it to the White House and to the CIA director, amongst others, and asked them to correct us if we were wrong in this assessment by the 1st of January of 97.
And that if they did not correct that position, that we would move forward with efforts to disclose the testimony of these witnesses.
Now, January 1st, 1997 came and went.
There was no corrective position issued.
We did hear through contacts and sources that there would be no response to that and that they would allow us to pretty much go forward and just observe what kind of progress we could make on our own.
And I think that this is rather encouraging, by the way, because this went not only through the back door into the White House, but it also went through the front door return receipt request that it went to the CIA director, the Secretary of Defense, the head of the Intelligence Committee, and the Senate.
My guest is Dr. Stephen Greer, CSETI's Stephen Greer.
And Dr. Greer is preparing to go in front of congressional representatives this spring with literally an army of people who have been on the inside, who have worked on craft, who have evidence that they, whoever they are, are here.
We'll talk a little bit about that in a moment.
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We'll talk a little bit about that in a moment.
We take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Well, of course, historically they have in the past, both in 1966 and 1968.
Now, you know, your listener may be quite correct.
There may be no one willing to do this.
And let me say what we have in store in case that happens.
If the Congress and the White House do not do something constructive on this subject, we will do everything we can to see that either through the U.N. or some other suitable international event, the same information, witnesses, and data are presented to the public and to the public media.
Now, there are ramifications to that.
Obviously, if it goes outside of the chain of command and outside of the channels of the U.S. government, there could be concerns about the effect it would have on our government.
But I think, you know, you have to understand we have been working on this for over three years, three and a half years.
And we have concluded that if in 1997 there's not positive forward momentum in the Congress and in the administration to do something definitive on this subject, then we will need to take it to the public through some other venue.
But we feel that for the sake of doing this well and doing it in the safest and highest way possible, that we need to give our elected officials a chance to respond and a chance to regain control of the subject and to be involved in a disclosure of this magnitude.
Now, if they choose not to, then that's their choice.
We can't control that.
And I think you have to be somewhat detached from that and say, well, it's up to them.
We're going to do the best we can and make the most convincing case we can.
And beyond that, there's really not much we can do.
We can't force them to do this.
And what we can do is resolve, Both as a group of witnesses who are government witnesses who know about the UFO subject, as well as a group of researchers who have a great deal of evidence on the matter, is to then take it either through the UN or through some other nation or through some other public disclosure event, even if it has to be a privatized event in conjunction with other think tanks or some other institute of some renown.
So, I mean, there are other ways this can be done, and your listener actually was very wise to make that point.
But what I would say is that we want to at first give them the chance to say no.
And they can't say no until they at least have heard the truth and met these witnesses and seen the evidence.
Then, if they turn their back on the subject, then we can say, look, I will be able with a clear conscience get on Larry King or Ted Koppel and say, look, we offered this to the White House and to the Congress.
They met these people.
They knew they were real.
They saw the evidence.
They saw the documents.
They saw the photographs and videotapes and analysis of metal samples and everything else.
And they still chose to do nothing.
And now we're taking it to another venue.
But see, what I don't want to be accused of is trying to grandstand the U.S. government.
I would rather see this done through the appropriate channels in the highest and best and safest way possible.
But again, I think your listener is very sort of prescient in the sense that one of the points I was going to make next is that we need to resolve to get this information out by whatever means we can and that we need to triage this like I do in the emergency department.
Okay, here's the Congress and White House.
If they won't act, the U.N. offer there.
If they won't act, offer it through some other nation or some other prestigious institute or think tank.
If that can't happen, privatize it totally.
Now, you know, but it's something that you have to give people a chance to respond by educating them.
And that's what we're trying to do this spring.
We're trying to set up a situation where these members of Congress who have not been informed on this subject can be given extraordinary evidence, but also meet these extraordinary witnesses.
And then if they choose to turn their back on the subject, that's their choice.
It would seem to me that it's unclear as to your purpose and objective of going forward with specifically the Congress.
It would seem that if there indeed had been some covert plan of government to keep this contact with Esker Truxiel secret, that that could have occurred with other nations of the world.
It appears to be rather appropriate view to think only the U.S. government has done that.
Now, you alluded briefly to the fact that you would be going to the U.N. if you were not able to get any productive results before Congress.
Do you have any indication that other governments may indeed have had some contact with extraterrestrials?
However, the U.S., number one, is the last remaining superpower.
Number two, has been in the catbird seat on this subject for a very long time.
Number three, I need to clarify, I don't believe the U.S. or any other government in the sense of the normal chain of command and elected officials have been particularly involved in this.
I mean, this is the point I make to UFO researchers, and they say, oh, my God, the Air Force is hiding stuff from them.
I got news for them.
99% of the people associated with the Air Force don't know anything about this subject in terms of any of these projects and will never know anything about them.
You know, it's like a guy I talked to with a big electronics corporation that does a lot of top secret work.
He pointed out to me that the tank that one would go in to learn about this ain't on Capitol Hill, and it's not even in Washington.
And so you have to be very careful about these sort of sweeping generalizations about the, quote, government.
Now, I have met with officials in the United Kingdom and in other governments, and I know that, yes, there have been super secret projects in other countries, but they have not had, they've had the same kind of dysfunction in terms of lack of oversight and lack of knowledge.
For example, I met personally with a former head of the Ministry of Defense in Great Britain, who was involved in that capacity for years.
He was head of the NATO committee, the military committee for NATO, I'm sorry.
And he told me very directly that he had never had this subject cross his radar screen, even though he was head of MI5 and MI6 and the MOD.
And he only found out about it accidentally after he left that position and then started looking into it and found out that it was very real.
So, I mean, people have to be a little more sophisticated in how they regard this.
But I would say that the U.S. is a prime place to have this happen.
It is the most media-rich country in the world in terms of the media covering an event like this.
It certainly is the last remaining superpower.
And many, many of the witnesses we have, not all of them, are from the United States.
And it would be safest and best for them to be able to provide this testimony through Congress.
So that's our rationale at going through Congress.
But certainly as backup positions, as I said earlier, or as I should say not backup, but as the parallel tracks, we have been investigating the cooperation of other nations as well as the United Nations on this issue.
Yes, and one of the things I would love to see happen is somebody who could understand the implications of this be willing to work with us in partnership in doing a world expose and documentary on this subject which could be aired, number one.
Putting out similarly a book of testimony and evidence on the subject, and that's number two.
And then number three, having various people help us in networking with other think tanks and other institutes which could help make this thing come out in the event that the governments become irrelevant.
And I hate to use that word that way, but your guy who said, you know, our elected officials are this and that.
And I'm actually a cautious optimist about our elected officials.
I think that if given the chance, some of them will want to do the right thing, but maybe not enough to make a difference.
In which case, if the government choose not to get involved with this because it's too hot a potato to handle, then I think we need to start looking at networking with other institutions and entities.
And we have been doing that for about three years, but we want to do more of that.
And that's why I'm discussing this on your show publicly.
Well, please give me a call and share those with me directly.
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As far as the media coverage is concerned, if the American media won't even cover the almost daily UFO sightings that occur in Mexico City, how would you expect that they would be willing to cover this?
And the media, as a member of our team who was once the Time Bureau Chief for Time magazine has said, has really fallen asleep at the wheel.
The Force of State is almost totally dysfunctional at this point.
But what I would say to people, however, is that the media need to have something to focus on.
And this is why either congressional hearings or a UN conference or something like that, you can't just have another UFO conference in the Holiday Inn and Poughkeepsie and expect the world media to take that seriously where you sell tickets for $10 a pop.
It's got to be done in a way that is world-class, that has extraordinary evidence and extraordinary whistleblowers and witnesses stepping forward.
I think if you meet those criteria and you have any media savvy at all, the media will cover it.
But it's got to be something where, you know, Carl Sagan says this is something which many people have gotten furious about, and I agree with him, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
And so the onus is on us in the civilian sector to collect the extraordinary evidence, both in the way of witness testimony and in the form of videotaped photographic evidence.
And that's what I was going to say before the break.
Anyone out there who has evidence, not just witnesses, but other types of evidence which they think would be helpful in convincing these members of Congress or the public that this subject is real, please contact us because what we want to do is put this in our briefing document and in our evidential pool.
The people I'm working with possess a substantial number of cases where there is physical evidence, and they are unambiguous.
This is a hot potato.
I can't go into a lot of detail, but let me just say if there's a congressional hearing or a scientific inquiry at the National Academy of Sciences, we've got a freight train full of evidence, I think, that can be driven through any door that cracks open.
And it will be definitive.
But the problem is, is that, again, where do you present that?
You present that at the next UFO conference?
I don't think so.
So you cover it.
First of all, and that's the other problem with this subject.
You've got to think strategically.
Where do you position something this big so it gets taken seriously?
All right, but look, even with all deference, Doctor, given to Larry King, Larry King has done programs in which he sat out in the middle of the desert near that program.
Exactly.
But the world did not suddenly sit up and take notice after that program.
No, because that program was not designed to gather together the definitive evidence and have it presented.
Because at that time, we weren't ready to do that, and I don't think it would have been appropriate to do it.
We were still exploring avenues and are still exploring avenues with the government and elsewhere.
But I think that the time for that is coming very quickly.
I would like to see this completed during 1997 or 98 at the latest.
And I think it can be.
Again, it's a matter of people pulling together and doing this.
There's another way of approaching this, and this is another point I'd like to make quickly, is that you can also take this to the people by saying, and the other part of what CCEDI is doing is training people to go out to the desert or out to the volcanic zone in Mexico and use technologies to attempt to interact with these spacecraft directly.
And on a number of occasions, we've had near-landing situations where these things have been 10 feet above the ground or hovering 300 or 400 feet above us.
And I think that this is something people can begin to do because these objects are being seen all over the world all the time.
And we're going to have a training for people interested in this in the high desert of Colorado in June, from June 12th until the 17th of this year, where we're going to train people in these research protocols.
So anyone who might be interested in that also should contact us or look at our website and they'll see if there's a notice on there about this training.
And I will be there personally there to train people in doing this.
And we involve, we do this through a number of modalities that include the uses of high-powered lights, electromagnetic signals, remote viewing and remote vectoring and some other high-strangeness techniques that are controversial but which appear to be effective.
And what I'm saying to folks is that that's another grassroots.
People listening to this show say, gee, you know, what can I do?
I don't know a witness.
I tell them, look, if you live anywhere on this planet, you can learn to go out and do real-time observation and take it one step further.
Try to establish some kind of contact or dialogue with these objects and see what happens.
Now, you know, it's not for the faint of heart because you don't know what's going to happen.
It might be something you're not quite ready for.
But, I mean, if you're someone who is somewhat adventuresome and willing to go out and investigate this, we have developed a series of protocols which I think will facilitate people being able to do that effectively out in the field and actually establish some type of preliminary contact with these objects.
And if this is done by enough people all over the world, I think the day will come when a definitive and unambiguous event will take place that will be filmed and will be witnessed by a dozen or several dozen people, and it simply won't be able to keep the genie in the bottle any longer.
Hi, I have a comment and a couple quick questions.
First, during the first hour, Dr. Greer's comments kind of seemed to me to have the intensity of John Lowengard when he was speaking about people's right to know on Dark Skies.
Yes.
And my question, have you had any contact with Representative Stephen Schiff from New Mexico?
Good question.
And is there any truth to the stories about Majestic 12?
And if they want to write us a snail mail, it's P.O. Box 15401, Asheville, A-S-H-E-V-I-L-L-E, North Carolina, 28813.
And again, people calling, please restrict your calls to those who have evidence or government witnesses that they would like to network into this project because we simply are trying to focus on that right now.
If people are interested in attending the training in Colorado in June, information on that is available on the website or they can write us and we'll send them information about it.
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I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
Governments won't do that.
And the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
If you actually truly believe that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
Absolutely not.
You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
So the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
Now we take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell Somewhere in Time All right, open lines coming up.
I've got quite a bit of information that I'm going to sprinkle around.
Here's one, for example.
Comes from Gary in Las Vegas, listening to KXNT 840.
Art, did you see the story on Channel 8?
That's our CBS affiliate in Las Vegas at 6.
George Knapp did a story about the strange humming noise in Perump.
People in Perump can't find the source of the hum.
Could it be from your radio station?
No, it's not on the air yet.
Or could it be something going on in Dreamland?
Anyway, in case you haven't seen it, I thought you'd like to know.
Well, no, I didn't see it.
Yes, I certainly do know about the Perump hum.
As I've said on this program before, I've got a very good friend who lives across town, works at the test site, and he lives over on the other side of town, I guess I'd better not say, but the other side of town, and he built a porch, and in doing so, he sunk some 2x4s or bigger into the ground.
And when he did, he got so much hung that he couldn't sleep at night.
This is no joke.
He ended up removing that porch because he could not sleep at night.
So there you've got it.
A little bit of an update on a sort of a weird thing going on out here where I am.
Now, I got a fact tonight that you've got to hear.
This is incredible.
Maybe somebody out there can help out with this.
All right.
I'm writing to you to see if I can get some help from you or your vast listening audience.
I live in rural eastern Washington near the Manastash Ridge.
That's M-A-N-A-S-T-A-S-H, Manastash Ridge.
On our property, there is a hole.
Like the previous owners and the owners before them, we have been throwing our trash into the hole.
Apparently, the hole has been there as long as anybody can remember.
At first, I thought it was an ancient well.
Anyway, the hole is nine feet, nine inches in diameter.
There is a stone retaining wall around it, and we've put a steel door on top to keep anybody from falling into it.
As I said earlier, people have been throwing their trash into the well, that's in quotes, for decades.
Furniture, household trash, dead cows, building debris, you name it.
The thing is that I noticed that the hole never filled up.
I hope your listeners can help with possible explanations.
I'm wondering if this, based on my measurements so far, is the deepest hole on earth.
Signed, Mel, and I've got his last name here.
Thank you, Art Bell, and listeners.
And I thought you would enjoy hearing about that.
I sure did.
Perusing the mainstream news a little bit, Kenneth Starr now says he's going to stay and finish.
There were a bunch of people out there saying that Kenneth Starr had conducted two mock trials of the Clintons.
That's now said to have been a rubbish story.
Prosecutors are vowing to seek the death penalty in the case of Lawrence Singleton now accused of killing a prostitute.
And I guess the best you can say there is better late than never.
Should have done that first time around.
There should have never been a case of Lawrence Singleton involved in the justice system after the first time.
He should have been gone forever, and you and I both know it.
Airline accidents rose last year.
National Transportation Safety Board saying that passenger deaths and major accidents rose last year.
380 people dead.
But you know, that's from crashes, and they didn't say how many died from just getting sick on airplanes.
I'm telling you, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to find the right person.
I'm going to do a program on that.
I'm so angry about that, I could scream.
If I was any better, I would scream.
Here's the facts.
Lately, it seems, I get sick a few days after beginning a trip, or a few days after returning.
If I get sick as a result of the outbound portion, the trip is seriously disrupted.
In either case, I lose several days' productivity.
The prevalence of non-refundable tickets has undoubtedly increased the number of infectious people on airliners.
Considering how many people get sick from diseases they contract in poorly ventilated airliner cabins, I would suspect many more are killed by poor ventilation that are killed in airline crashes right on the money, my friend.
Right on the money.
You see, in the days when they used to allow smoking on aircraft, remember those days long ago?
They had to bring in a lot of outside air in order to take care of the smoke problem.
Now, once they stopped the smoking, they began more recirculating, and the germs go round and round.
And that's how I got sick.
Question about it.
You could count back the day I began to get sick from, was just the right germination period from when I'd been on the airliner coming back from Mexico.
Our friends in Chicago are underwater nearly.
The weather across the U.S. is utterly, absolutely bizarre.
Buffalo, New York, yesterday, 70 degrees.
Chicago with a couple of inches of rain, boom like that.
The South with ugly, violent weather.
It's changing.
Former heavyweight boxing champ Riddick Bow in and out of the U.S. Marine Corps.
Injured in days, hours, really.
And I think the Marine Corps is not necessarily for millionaires who are used to being pampered and having whatever they want.
I'm sure he got down to Paris Isle and found out you don't get whatever you want when you're in basic training in the Marine Corps, and so he didn't last very long.
That was generally predictable, wasn't it?
Well, I've got a lot more because it has been adding up.
There has been another response from the person who calls himself priest.
We're going to get that up on the webpage.
You informed as it comes along.
So, open lines.
Friday night, Saturday morning.
Anything you chats want to talk about is fair game.
I do, I'm trying to be fair now to Major Ed Dames.
I have got a definitive result on the Philip Taylor Kramer case.
And I'm really trying to get hold of Kathy Kramer.
So Kathy, if you're out there, call me.
Somehow I lost Kathy's number.
And I've got to talk to Kathy before I make public what Ed Dames has reported.
At any rate, he will be going on the air with us March 6th, and we'll get it resolved between now and then, hopefully, long before.
All right, to the lines, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
I don't know if you've ever heard this story that has been on all the news last month, and they did a fighting show on it about these children that had, I think it was England, that they had seen this UFO.
And the thing I want to comment and ask you, Mr. Bell, is every one of these children was taken in separately and told.
They told the same story, but the alien beings, and they described them, they all saw them.
The alien beings told every child that unless we stopped what we were doing on this planet, we were going to destroy it.
And they wanted the message to be given to the children.
I don't know who the alien beings expected the children to do anything about it, but many, many researchers and scientists and government people went down and interviewed these kids, and then that's the last you heard of it.
But it was on every show.
And the other thing you said with your guest that came across, if people will just put their common thinking helmets on and wonder, it was over how many years ago when they landed on the moon, Mr. Bell, our astronauts?
And there are a lot of arguments that can be made that suggest that, well, yes, we went and we went several times.
We didn't find anything more than rocks.
Now, that is certainly one scenario worthy of serious consideration.
Well, we didn't find anything.
So naturally we stopped.
We could no longer justify the use of that kind of money without getting significant return of some sort for going to the moon or onto Mars or whatever.
Or you can imagine there were other reasons that we stopped.
I think you can give equal weight to both scenarios.
Stephen Greer, Dr. Greer, a very, very articulate guest on this subject, and I think there's going to be some...
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
Art, this is Martin and Oceanside.
And I was wondering if you've ever talked with Dr. Jack Casher, who reviewed the STS-48 footage.
I don't know if you've already heard it, but one of the shuttle astronauts said they got a great view of Hailbop this morning.
This was prior to landing.
And it looked like it had two tails.
If you check out this page and then listen to the audio, you'll probably hear it for yourself.
I caught a NASA news brief at 9.30 yesterday morning.
Maybe they'll have it on every half hour.
So apparently, without the atmosphere to look through, the astronauts got a good look at the comet, and it looked like it had two tails, and that was apparently radio traffic that passed between the shuttle and ground.
Interesting, eh?
unidentified
What time can we see it now on the west coast so if I took binoculars out?
I don't offhand remember it, but there's nothing like Memorax, huh?
So we'll see if he really made that prediction coming up next.
If so, right on Target.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
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Well, as a concept goes, so that one I think you could record, but my other thing was I also see like a hole in the earth somewhere, like an undiscovered cave or something like that.
Really?
Just off the record.
A portal, possibly, to the world below.
But hey, by the way, did you hear about the information?
It flowed all over my fingers, and I thought that it almost dries instantly, but it wasn't dry, and so I put it up to start to pick it off, you know, the way you do?
It's been nearly two years now since you last had Gordon Michael Scallion on, and we're getting close to the time where these major earth changes are supposed to be taking place.
And no matter where I moved around the northeast part of the country, WABC was always there, always there, because they've got a signal that's everywhere in the Northeast and beyond.
All right, this is Coast to Coast AM doing not much of anything, and we'll be right back to do some more of it.
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You love her, then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
Lord praises and morning gazes gets you where you want to go.
Something can go with her.
You are the number.
You are the number.
You are young, you are old and old and old.
You are old and old and old.
You are old and old.
You're listening to Artfell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
How long does it take for a piece of lip to grow back?
People are writing me saying, put acetone on it, put acetone on it.
It's an open wound.
Putting acetone on it now, besides, what was there is gone.
Long as part of my lip, I told you it's in the asterisk.
Sitting right there looking, as that lady said, quite gross.
But it rains, of course.
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I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by a mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
Governments won't do that.
The reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
If you actually truly believe that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
Absolutely not.
You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
So the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
Now we take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell's Somewhere in Time Well, I believe as a talk show host, I now have probably had it all happen to me.
This is perhaps one of the largest atrocities that I've ever committed upon myself yet.
Hey, Art, if, like the man in eastern Washington, I had a deep hole in my backyard, I'm afraid curiosity would get the better of me, and here's what I'd do.
After building a platform to work from, I'd mount a good telescope, like the one you have.
Thank you.
Then with a good quality mirror, I would reflect sunlight down the hole to see exactly what was there using the telescope.
Well, that's not a bad idea, but I mean, he's got 80,000 feet of monofilament down there so far.
And I'm not sure reflected light would do the job.
Maybe a laser.
I don't know.
Hey, Art, do you think J-C was behind this lip job?
I would not expect him to name people willy-nilly tonight in the interview.
I think that would be very irresponsible.
If you listen carefully to what his objective was, it is to get a lot of people of great character who are vetted, who can go before congressional sources under sworn conditions and give testimony and break this whole thing open.
Yeah, but what I was telling everybody is you can actually run that radio directly off no more light than comes from like a 100 watt bulb.
It's amazing.
All right, sir, I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
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West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Oh, Art?
Yes.
When you had Whitney Scriber on, he said that the asteroid crossed the Earth's path about 270,000 miles.
That's right.
Well, in Strange Universe, they had a showed a guy in California took a picture of an asteroid going through the atmosphere, and it was only about 80 miles high.
One, I wondered with Stephen Greer, what makes him think that anybody will listen when they treated Richard Hoagland the way they did when he had his press conference.
Well, Dr. Greer said, yes, there is, but it's not called MJ-12.
And as he points out, what's in a name, MJ-12, magic, whatever it is, it is the idea of what it is, not what it's called.
Who cares what it's called?
If there is a group that possesses this information, in effect, government within a government, I'm not saying there is, as is what Dr. Creer said, then its name is not particularly important.
Its existence certainly is.
Speaking of Ed Dames, you should see what I've got here from the Electronic Telegraph.
Headline, Japan Milk Fears as Australian Anthrax Spreads.
Australia's worst anthrax outbreak for a century spread to sheep yesterday as authorities tried to reassure milk and beef customers in Asia that they were not in the middle of a, in quotes, mad cow type of crisis.
The Deputy Prime Minister told Asian trading partners there was no threat to human health as a large vaccination program was stepped up to cover 32,000 cattle and sheep in Victoria.
So far, more than 130 cattle and at least one sheep have died since the outbreak was reported January 26th.
And then towards the end of the night, you know, I was in this line talking to all these people.
Some of them were my old friends that I had in high school, you know, I hadn't seen for years.
And I was just kind of wondering what was going on, you know, and I was kind of like just in the preserver, you know, and not really had much control of what was going on.
And everybody was just having this good old time, you know.
And we were taken into this room, and we were, all these lazy boys with these headphones, you know, and we were just like listening to this music kicking back.
And I asked these people, what were we doing here for?
And they say, this one guy says, you don't know why you're doing here for?
And he goes, this is the government-sponsored suicide chamber.
And I really enjoyed that, and this goes along with a lot of the stuff you get in the obscure press about hearing all sorts of facts regarding Project Blue Book and the cover-up of that.
Radio talk show host Arthur Bell, known to his fans as Art Bell, was pronounced dead at 5.30 a.m. Pacific Time on Thursday, February 20th, 1997.
He was 51 years of age.
At approximately 4.24 a.m. Pacific Time Thursday, February 20th, 1997, Art Bell suffered massive chest pain shortly after going off the air and was immediately taken to the Prump Medical Center at 1330 Highway 160, only 10 minutes from his home.
The cause of death has tentatively been determined to be cardiac arrest pending further investigation.
Attending doctors worked on him for almost an hour before he was pronounced dead.
He is survived by his widow Ramona and his teenage son, Arthur Bell Jr.
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I remember, I mean, every day my mom and I would turn on the local radio station to hear what happened the night before, dogs being carried off in the mouths of these monsters.
Yep.
But anyway, I don't know how I was going to tie that in other than I would just like to see some sort of resolution to all this now, and it sounds like it's not too far in the coming.
You know, I've never really stopped to think that all these meteorites and asteroids and space junk and satellites that re-enter the atmosphere that spark up our sky.
But the thing that I can't understand is, according to his protocol, if two ambulances pulled up at his emergency room bay at the same time, and one was Mother Teresa, and she was in the advanced stages of pneumonia, and the other one was a child molester who had confessed his sins to a fellow inmate.
This guy could put some stronger line on it using this big hose reel, like a fishing reel, and rig like a downrigger, like a pole and an eye, you know, so he could drop it over.
Why didn't he drop a video camera down there on the end of this line?
Yeah, you know, holding it open for any single person is turning out to be almost impossible.
And I've got the number here so I can check it out.
I mean, if you're a false Mel, don't call.
Some people call just to say stupid things.
During the news break here, I'll answer that Mel-only line.
All right, I'm not going to do it on the air because people are calling that number now just to get on the air and hear the sound of their own voice saying something dumb.
So I'm not going to continue to answer.
I'll answer it during the news break.
Okay?
That's going to be a Mel-only line during the news break.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
I guess you never do this, and you can't this morning give anybody any lip.
My question to the good doctor was, is, should he not do what we in Save the Baltic and Minority Tribes movement did, namely, should his people one day show up at a UNESCO United Nations Education Science Committee meeting hearing in some country held on a related subject and all of them just begin testifying, keeping statements short to the point.
No thanks to all the Mel imitators on the special Mel line.
I finally picked up the phone during the newscast and called Mel's number, and he was just coming in.
So I've got Mel on the line.
Mel is the guy with the never-ending hole, and we're going to ask him about it here in a moment.
I have read that facts now twice on the air.
And I've got a lot of follow-up facts.
Here's one entitled Yet Another Mystery Hole in Eastern Washington.
Art, you'll love this.
It was sent to me a couple days ago by email.
And it's all about another one on the Indian Reservation in Colville, where there is another mystery hole.
Anyway, we'll get to that.
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When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
You know, when you start looking into things, there's only a certain set of conclusions you can reach.
And unfortunately, this is one of them.
You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
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What are you doing up at this time of the morning?
unidentified
Well, after I sent the facts, I'm living in town here now because we had a couple of our buildings out there cave in after the big snows that we had out here last month.
Oh, yes.
And so thereby goes some of the construction debris into the hole.
Have you ever heard anything coming from any sounds or anything?
unidentified
Well, you know, I mean, the normal thing to do is kind of, like, yell into it there, you know, to see an echo.
And I've never heard an echo come out of that thing at all.
You know, that's one of the first things I noticed about it.
As usual, I brought the dogs with me.
They wouldn't go anywhere near the damn thing, and I went back to the suburban and hung out over there.
So it was kind of I can't, you know, if I try to bring them there on a leash, they'll just dig their feet, and they do not want to go anywhere near the hole.
And so that's, I don't know.
Well, you've got miles and miles of Yeah, I think well I I'm going I'm I'm measuring it by feet.
You know I convert feet to yards so I don't know how many miles that is.
I assume that's it's a fair number of miles though.
Well, you have got a hole then that goes well you know you can't say to the center of the earth, but you've got a hole that goes miles and miles and miles into the earth.
I would think a university would be out there boom just like that.
unidentified
Well my wife does work for a local university here and we've been talking to them about it and one of the things is they find it quite incredible that I've let that much line into the ground but that's what I've been doing.
Have you ever thought of winding it all back up again?
unidentified
Well when I let out the first 1,500 yards of line I reeled all of that back in and I wanted to know if I had hit water down there because I thought that's a lot of feet.
And, you know, I made, you know, I talked to the neighbors around there, you know, which are, you know, on l you know, when you're out there in the country, your neighbors are pretty far away, but they all know the hole out there.
And so nothing thrown down, all the old junk and trash, and nothing has polluted the water.
unidentified
No, I mean, you know, I can't speak for everything that's been thrown down there, but none of that has been showing up in the water that people draw from their wells.
I mean, you know, the water is as clean as it's ever been out there.
I think we get water that comes off the cascades or something.
And I'm one of the reasons that I went out to the property tonight, other than it's just, you know, it's something that weighs heavily on my mind.
I was afraid that after I sent the facts out that there would be people around there because it's Well, there may be, but we have not identified specifically where it is.
Well, there aren't, as far as I could tell, too many big holes like that around.
And so at least the people in my neck of the woods are familiar with it.
And I kind of almost expected to see a small party of people looking at it.
So already, we now learn that you may have a Guinness qualifying hole there, no question about it.
But I want to know, I, inquiring minds, want to know, I would think even if we just had somebody lowered past the 1600 foot mark to see what's down there.
Yeah, I've got a pretty adventurous nature to me anyway.
so this um...
but i have a very appealing draw to the supernatural for some reason anyway just naturally in my personality well nobody's saying there's anything supernatural about this but Well, that's true.
Well, as usual, you've heard your first folks on our bill.
Before I get serious, I just wanted to kind of lighten things up here and ask if you'd considered making a contract with the refuse collection department from Yakima County.
You'd probably make a ceiling on that.
You know, I read an article in the paper how they wanted to close down our local dump out here, and I almost seriously suggested.
Anyways, I wanted to mention here, we've got many, many mediums of technology, and the gentleman who suggested radar, I think, was onto something.
You know, say for instance that Guinness came out and was going to, you know, they're pretty thorough with their investigation before they're going to print you.
But anyways, you know, maybe the way to go is to have someone lower in a sensor's package, you know, which is something that measures for noxious gases, temperature, and I'm sure they could focus a radar, you know, probably pencil thin, you know, and just hook it up to an endless supply of cable and lower it down.
Well, you know, it's like, you know, how the various pyramids and things in Egypt, you know, are supposed to be lined up on various star systems or whatever.
Well, was it a thing like where the moonlight was shining into the hole?
unidentified
Well, no, but I, you know, I just, you know, happened to notice, you know, the full moon and all of a sudden to sort of put two and two together there.
Yeah, the first series of letting down line, when I got about 4,500 feet down there, I had a roll of lifesavers down on the bottom to determine if there was any water down there.
And of course, if there was water, the lifesavers would melt.
And I didn't do that.
But since that time, I've let the line continuously go down.
I've just spliced on to the end of the line and continued.
Yeah, that was my main question.
It's like, how deep is this thing?
Where does it go?
Well, it goes into the earth, but how far does it go before it'll stop?
I think that a light and a video camera, I mean, Mel, you could have a special as you got down past, what did they say was the deepest hole, 1,600 feet?
Mel, are you going to contact your wife works for a university, a local university?
Have they, I mean, did she tell them about this?
And if so, what did they say?
unidentified
Well, the people she talked to, because I nag her about it occasionally, say, you know, they're telling her, you don't have a whole day that deep, you know.
So you're not sure you want that kind of publicity?
unidentified
No.
I mean, you know, I'd be happy to, you know, like I say, you know, I could put together a website on it and keep people, you know, informed about what's going on because, you know, I'm sort of making this my.
If he started out with a one-pound weight and he starts adding fish line to it, then the amount of weight down the hole increases.
Alright, now, if he knows the weight of the line on a per foot basis, as he puts more weight down the hole, if he could measure the total strain on the top or load on the top of the line, he would know if any of that line was draped on anything.
See, the thing is, once he gets a fair amount of line down, the one pound weight on the end is insignificant.
And he wouldn't even, it could be hung up on something or laying on the bottom or something and he would never know it.
I mean, if you hit the side, of course, but if you just drop it straight down, nine and a half feet is certainly large enough so that if you got in the center and dropped it straight down, it would go straight down, right?
unidentified
Yeah, you can just, you know, lean right over there and get it going straight down.
You know, and as far as anything I can see, you know, visually, you know, with the, you know, halogens and flashlights.