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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Disclosure Project - Mel's Hole - Dr. Steven Greer - Mel Waters

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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning as the case may be across all these many time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian island chains in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south well into South America, north to the pole, and worldwide, On the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning, everybody.
	No, I am not dead.
	Despite the rumors circulating on the Internet, I am not dead.
	Close!
	I've been pretty sick, as you know, and I'm going to be soliciting experts on airline travel.
	And I'm going to do a whole show on airline travel and disease.
	At any rate, I want to welcome WLTG AM in Panama City, Florida.
	Uh, 1430 on the AM dial in Panama City.
	Good morning down there.
	Good to have you with us.
	Uh, you'll find out what the program is about as we move along.
	I'd like to welcome W, uh, make that KBLU.
	KBLU in Yuma, Arizona.
	Yuma, Arizona.
	560 on the dial.
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	KSWD in Seward, Alaska.
	They would be 9.50 on the AM dial.
	Great to have you along.
	All right.
	Coming up tonight, and in a moment, Dr. Stephen M. Greer.
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	Now we take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Dr. Stephen M. Greer is widely regarded as the world's foremost authority on the subject of extraterrestrial
	intelligence, E.T.I., And is the founder and international director of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or CCETI.
	A lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society, Dr. Greer is an emergency physician and former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital in North Carolina.
	Dr. Greer, as director of CCETI, has led research teams throughout the world investigating the existence of EPI, Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
	On several occasions, has successfully established preliminary contact and communication with extraterrestrial spacecraft at close range.
	He has met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military, and intelligence operations in the U.S.
	and around the world.
	including senior CIA officials, Joint Chiefs of Staff, White House staff, senior members of Congress and Congressional committees, senior UN leadership and diplomats, senior military officials in the United Kingdom and Europe, and cabinet-level staff members of the Japanese government, among others.
	Here he is, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Doctor, welcome.
	Thank you.
	Glad to be here.
	Good to have you.
	Since you're an emergency room doctor, before we get on off into other subjects, have you any experience, doctor, with people who travel in airplanes and get sick?
	Well, sure.
	I travel about 100,000 miles a year, and so I know firsthand.
	I've actually had to take care of a couple of emergencies on transatlantic flights, including a woman who had a massive stroke.
	Certainly there's a high risk of spread of infectious disease on airplanes because of the close proximity and the recirculation of the air.
	But that's another subject.
	But right, I think that you should get a lot of rest, perhaps take some extra vitamin C to help fight off the viral illness.
	Be sure you get lots of rest when you're traveling.
	Sounds like standard advice.
	Alright, good.
	Anyway, the reason we have you here tonight, you're involved in a sort of a A motivational thing, trying to get people motivated, aren't you?
	Well, yes, that's part of it, and the reason I'd like to speak to your listeners tonight is, well, there are several things to achieve, but primarily, and the thing that I think most people would be interested in learning an update on, is the Sea City Project Starlight Initiative, which is the program designed to a global disclosure on the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence and the implications of that disclosure.
	And we are in the phase now where we are collecting first-hand US government and other world government military and intelligence workers and aerospace workers who have first-hand knowledge of extraterrestrial events or projects or programs Who would be willing to join in a coalition of folks to come forward and disclose what they know to the world at a high-level event.
	We have been briefing members of Congress on this.
	I have briefed a senior U.S.
	official and others around the world on this matter.
	And we have identified quite a large number of these types of witnesses, but we would like to identify more of them.
	For two reasons.
	One is that there is definitely safety in numbers.
	And number two, there's also increasing credibility when you have interlocking pieces of the puzzle that come forward where it becomes a collaborating effect.
	Well, how have you done so far?
	If you had to go today, Uh, what would you be going with?
	And I don't need names, I'm just curious.
	Numbers.
	Numbers, well if, uh, and this is, we're going to have a meeting in Washington soon to ask members of Congress to do exactly this, and that is to hold open hearings on the subject.
	We would be able to produce, um, around the 70 or 80 First-hand witnesses to these events, as well as people who have worked in military and intelligence and military-industrial complex settings, dealing directly with this subject.
	When I say directly, I mean not someone who said, you know, my grandpappy saw a dead ET on the desert floor in 1940-something.
	We're talking people who have directly been in the radar room or have been on retrieval operations.
	of pursuits and jet aircraft or who have the same things as an astronaut or cosmonaut or
	who have been at facilities where they were working on extraterrestrial technologies and
	things of this sort.
	Well, that's very serious.
	Very serious.
	Very serious.
	And then my problem is that, quite frankly, and one of the difficult things I've had to
	deal with is that having been the point of contact to several dozen of these types of
	people, I'm now the person who's sitting on an extraordinary amount of information, and
	I hate to say it, secrets, which I think should not be held secret.
	And so what we want to do is to move this forward at the highest possible level in a setting that has the gravitas and the credibility so that a definitive disclosure on this subject could be effected in the very near future.
	Now, we feel that for this to happen in the best way possible, It would occur through open hearings in the Congress and emphasize the word open.
	It's not going to do any good to have a covert hearing process or a secret hearing process so that this can just be vetted by members of Congress.
	It would be educational for them, but the rest of the world would remain uninformed.
	What we feel needs to happen is perhaps a period of behind-the-doors vetting of the subject followed by It's very difficult.
	closure process and hearing process either through the congress or through the united nations
	and we are currently working on both of these front both with
	u n officials and and the congress of the two which do you consider to be
	likely uh... the more receptive it's very difficult i believe that if it uh... were not for
	interference from uh... covert project that have a very long arm we
	would probably be able to do that most readily through the united nations
	but i do know personally and without question unambiguously that there have been attempt to uh... war
	squash and derail any such event through the united nations
	And quite frankly, the first time I've said this publicly, we're very concerned about that, and if not a little dismayed.
	Can you give us any details of that behind-the-scenes manipulation?
	Let's just put it this way, there have been discussions which have been promising in the direction of, at the very highest level in the United Nations community, to have a disclosure conference at the United Nations, but unfortunately there has been interference where some of these officials have been visited and shown materials where they are being instructed not to do anything on this subject.
	I find that deplorable but predictable.
	A couple of years ago, I don't think the UFO community knows this, and certainly the public doesn't, I was invited to give an address at the UN on this subject.
	The topic that I chose was the foundations of interplanetary peace and how you might create interplanetary relations.
	Some very high-level UN people were coming to this.
	It was interesting because a couple days before the event there were some notices put inside the offices at the U.N.
	and they were all torn down within hours and nobody knows what happened to them or who did this.
	But we know that that has happened and it's very disconcerting but it's also very predictable because anyone who has any insight into the subject realizes this is one of the great secrets of the century.
	It's not the millennium.
	Without naming these people, do you have any sense of the kind of material they're being shown that would convince them that any public exposure is a bad idea?
	I don't think they're being shown that it's a bad idea from the point of view of the ramifications of a disclosure.
	I believe that they're simply being told, don't do it.
	Or else.
	Well, with some implied Negative ramifications if they were to.
	And so there's some discouragement going on on that level.
	And this is very worrisome because we have been briefing senior Clinton administration and congressional people since December of 1993.
	And this may be a shock to some of your listeners, but this has been a very intense, long-term, behind-the-scenes project.
	What kind of reception, doctor, have you been getting from the Clinton administration?
	Well, the people that I have met with and the people on my team have met with have been open to hearing about the subject.
	And to be honest with you, there's not a question of whether or not the subject is true.
	And this may be a shock to some people, contrary to some public statements that have been made.
	There's no question that the matter is real.
	The question is, what do we do about it?
	And how do you get this thing resolved?
	And how do you resolve the complex issues surrounding covert management
	and extra, extra secret, super secret management of something which in the words of Barry
	Coldwater when I met with him said it should have never been handled this way.
	But now that it has been you have a conundrum insofar as you have a program and infrastructure
	which is in place which arguably is sitting on extraordinary technologies and also extraordinary
	power and how do you get that turned around and put back into a normal oversight process
	in our government with the proper checks and balances that you would expect in a republic
	and a democratic government?
	Well to a degree our government's power comes from the maintenance of secrets.
	you.
	Well, that may be true at this juncture, but I think that being the descendant of one of the founders of the United States, the people who fought in the American Revolution, and somewhat of a student of the Constitution, I differ with those who say that that is something which has evolved.
	And I think Eisenhower warned us of this when he gave his speech where he said, beware the military-industrial complex.
	But I think that in a certain degree of secrecy you would always expect in an advanced society and even in ancient societies.
	But when you have a subject like this, which is of immense importance to the world, and which is being seen by people all over the world, and yet which continues to be shrouded in the most extraordinary layers of secrecy, so much so that, if I can share this little anecdotal story, Imagine sitting across the conference table at a meeting which has been set up with a sitting and current member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and briefing this individual on the subject, and the person blinks and looks at you and says, Doctor, I have no doubt that what you're saying is true, but in my many years of being on the Senate Intelligence Committee, I have never heard of this matter, and I have never been briefed about this matter.
	Now, there's a problem here.
	And the man, I felt there was no prevarication, you know, in these statements.
	And I'll say something else which may be equally startling to people, is that, and I'll say this with some confidence, I'm quite sure that I'm the only UFO researcher in the world who has had a nearly three hour meeting with a sitting and empowered Director of Central Intelligence.
	And I have.
	On this subject?
	On this subject.
	Specifically for this subject.
	And I know that this is an extraordinary statement.
	I have the bona fides to back this up and someday it should all come out in a very interesting book and movie.
	But without going any further into who and which one and at what time, let me just say that the subject is taken very seriously.
	The problem is that how do you put people back in the loop on this?
	And how do you get a disclosure on this done so that it, on the one hand, is credible and scientific, on the other hand, does not cause a constitutional crisis and does not cause undue alarm in the populace?
	I think it can be done.
	That's what the strategy that we have put together is intended to do that.
	All right.
	Can we back up just a little bit?
	You said something that was quite extraordinary.
	You said that it is simply a given That they exist, that contact has been made, and you can prove that through a series of witnesses, fine.
	That's a given for you, but perhaps not the audience, and that bears at least a question or two.
	Sure, of course.
	How would you back up that statement?
	I mean, that it's a given that contact has been made.
	Well, you have to take the weight of the evidence, and this is something which I think is one of the great misfortunes in how this has been handled in the civilian sector.
	Is that you cannot take one witness, I don't care if it's an astronaut or anyone else, or one case, whether it's Roswell or the Belgian event.
	You've got to take, you must assemble, and this is what we're working to do, and I hope people in your listening audience can help us do this.
	You must assemble the best scientific evidence, metal samples of extraterrestrial origin, technological items of extraterrestrial origin.
	We do have access to some of these.
	You must put together the best photographic, videotape, government documents.
	You must put together the best cases that have ever occurred, radar cases, pilot cases.
	And then you must identify those, call them whistleblowers if you will, or witnesses who have been in military or private contractor situations.
	where they have had direct involvement with the subject and these are people
	who have uh... credible and who are willing to testify under oath to
	congress with penalty of perjury going to jail if they were to lie stand up and
	say i will testify about the subject for these people who are under penalty of
	going to jail if they told the truth as well In other words, a lot of them no doubt signed security statements.
	Well, yes, but as you know, you may know this, but in November we wrote a position paper stating that those security oaths were null and void.
	And we are taking the specific legal position that these people now should come forward and join together in a coalition to speak what they know about this subject in a public setting.
	Choosing it very carefully, of course, because The nature of these programs are such that they are outside of the legal bounds of the Constitution.
	They are extra-constitutional, because they do not have the proper checks, balances, and oversight required by the U.S.
	Constitution.
	Ergo, any security oaths which have been taken in support of such an illegal operation are themselves illegal.
	Per force, they are non-binding.
	And this is the position that we are making, is that essentially these security oaths are, at this juncture, null and void.
	And we have written this in a position paper, sent it to the White House and to the CIA Director, amongst others, and asked them to correct us if we were wrong in this assessment by the 1st of January of 1997, and that if they did not correct that position, that we would move forward with efforts to disclose The testimony of these witnesses, now January 1st, 1997, came and went.
	There was no corrective physician issued.
	We did hear through contacts and sources that there would be no response to that and that they would allow us to pretty much go forward and just observe what kind of progress we could make on our own.
	Um, and I think that this is rather encouraging, by the way, because this went not only through the back door and to the White House, but it also went through the front door, returned receipt requests, it went to the CIA Director, the Secretary of Defense, the head of the Intelligence Committee, and the Senate and the House.
	Do you generally take that to mean that they are prepared to proceed with disclosure and they're going to allow you to be the point man in that?
	Well, we take it to mean that they chose not to say that these people could not a step forward, and I think that's very significant.
	So do I. All right, Doctor, hold on.
	We'll be right back to you.
	Dr. Stephen Greer from Sea City is my guest.
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	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere In Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	My guest is Dr. Stephen Greer.
	He said he's Stephen Greer.
	And Dr. Greer is preparing to go in front of congressional representatives this spring with A literally an army of people who have been on the inside, who have worked on craft, who have evidence that they, whoever they are, are here.
	We'll talk a little bit about that in a moment.
	We take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	We'll talk a little bit about that in a moment.
	Back now to Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Doctor, here's a fact that just came in.
	I'm very encouraged to hear what your guest is describing, but I have two questions.
	One, our elected officials are idiots.
	They're politicians.
	All they care about is getting re-elected.
	Why does Dr. Greer believe that any of them would risk looking silly by talking about the UFO subject?
	I have a very hard time believing they would actually hold hearings.
	Well, of course, historically they have in the past, both in 1966 and 1968.
	Now, you know, your listener may be quite correct.
	There may be no one willing to do this.
	And let me say what we have in store in case that happens.
	If the Congress and the White House do not do something constructive on this subject, We will do everything we can to see that either through the U.N.
	or some other suitable international event, the same information, witnesses, and data are presented to the public and to the public media.
	Now, there are ramifications to that.
	Obviously, if it goes outside of the chain of command and outside of the channels of the U.S.
	government, there could be concerns about the effect it would have on our government.
	Uh, but I think, you know, you have to understand, we've been working on this for over three years, three and a half years, and we have concluded that if in 1997 there's not positive forward momentum in the Congress and in the administration to do something definitive on this subject, Then we will need to take it to the public through some other venue.
	But we feel that for the sake of doing this well and doing it in the safest and highest way possible, that we need to give our elected officials a chance to respond and a chance to regain control of the subject and to be involved in a disclosure of this magnitude.
	Now, if they choose not to, then that's their choice.
	We can't control that.
	And I think you have to be somewhat detached from that and say, well, It's up to them.
	We're going to do the best we can and make the most convincing case we can.
	Beyond that, there's really not much we can do.
	We can't force them to do this.
	but what we can do is resolve both as a group of witnesses who are government
	witnesses to know that you have a subject
	as well the group of researchers who have a great deal of evidence on the
	matter if the then take it either through the u n or through some
	other nation or through some other
	public disclosure event even if it has to be a privatized event in conjunction
	with other think tank for some other institute uh... of somewhere now
	so i mean there there are other ways that can be done in your your listener
	you it was very wise to make that point but what i would say is that
	we wanted at first given the chance to to they know And they can't say no until they at least have heard the truth and met these witnesses and seen the evidence.
	Then, if they turn their back on the subject, then we can say, look, I will be able, with a clear conscience, get on Larry King or Ted Koppel and say, look, we offered this to the White House and to the Congress.
	They met these people, they knew they were real, they saw the evidence, they saw the documents, they saw the photographs and videotapes and analysis of metal samples and everything else, and they still chose to do nothing.
	And now we're taking it to another venue.
	But see, what I don't want to be accused of is trying to grandstand the U.S.
	government.
	I would rather see this done through the appropriate channels in the highest and best and safest way possible.
	But, again, I think your listener is sort of prescient in the sense that one of the points I was going to make next is that we need to resolve to get this information out by whatever means we can, and that we need to triage this, like I do in the emergency department.
	Okay, here's the Congress and White House.
	If they won't act, the U.N.
	offer there.
	If they won't act, offer it through some other nation or some other prestigious institute or think tank.
	If that can't happen, privatize it totally.
	Now, you know, but it's something that you have to give people a chance to respond by educating them, and that's what we're trying to do this spring.
	We're trying to set up a situation where these members of Congress who have not been informed on this subject can be given extraordinary evidence, but also meet these extraordinary witnesses.
	And then if they choose to turn their back on the subject, That's their choice.
	But at least you've moved to the inside first.
	At least we've tried to do it the correct way.
	Bruce, I can barely hear you.
	You're going to have to yell into your phone.
	I'll get back into the phone.
	Is that a little better?
	Yes, it is.
	I'm calling from KPNW Country up in Oregon.
	Question for Dr. Greer.
	It would seem to me that it's unclear as to your purpose and objective of going forward with specifically the Congress.
	It would seem that if there indeed had been some covert plan of government to keep this contact with Esther Truxell's secret, that that could have occurred with other nations of the world.
	It appears to be rather a parochial view to think only the U.S.
	government has done that.
	You alluded briefly to the fact that you would be going to the U.N.
	if you were not able to get any productive results before Congress.
	Do you have any indication that other governments may indeed have had some contact with extraterrestrials?
	We know they have.
	Good point.
	It is not a U.S.
	phenomenon.
	It is a global phenomenon.
	However, the U.S., number one, is the last remaining superpower.
	Number two, has been in the catbird seat on this subject for a very long time.
	Number three, I need to clarify, I don't believe the U.S.
	or any other government, in the sense of the normal chain of command and elected officials, have been particularly involved in this.
	I mean, this is the point I make to UFO researchers, and they say, oh my God, the Air Force is hiding stuff for them.
	I got news for them.
	99% of the people associated with the Air Force don't know anything about this subject in terms of any of these projects, and will never know anything about them.
	You know, it's like a guy I talked to with a big electronics corporation that does a lot of top-secret work.
	He pointed out to me that the tank that one would go in to learn about this ain't on Capitol Hill, and it's not even in Washington.
	And so you have to be very careful about these sort of sweeping generalizations about the, quote, government.
	Now, I have met with officials in the United Kingdom and in other governments, and I know that, yes, there have been super-secret projects in other countries, but they've had the same kind of dysfunction in terms of lack of oversight and lack of knowledge.
	For example, I met personally with the former head of the Ministry of Defense in Great Britain, who was involved in that capacity for years.
	He was head of the military committee for NATO.
	And he told me very directly that he had never had this subject cross his radar screen, even though he was head of MI5 and MI6 and the MOD.
	And he only found out about it accidentally after he left that position and then started looking into it and found out that it was very real.
	So, I mean, people have to be a little more sophisticated in how they regard this, but I would say that the U.S.
	is the prime place to have this happen.
	It is the most media-rich country in the world in terms of the media covering an event like this.
	It certainly is the last remaining superpower, and many, many of the witnesses we have, not all of them, are from the United States, and it would be safest and best for them to be able to provide this testimony through Congress.
	So that's our rationale at going through Congress, but certainly as backup positions, as I said earlier, or as, I should say, not backup, but as the parallel tracks, We have been investigating the cooperation of other nations as well as the United Nations on this issue.
	Alright, if all else failed, Congress, the UN, I take it then the change of venue you would seek would be directly to the media?
	Yes, and one of the things I would love to see happen is somebody who could understand the implications of this Be willing to work with us in partnership in doing a world exposé and documentary on this subject which could be aired, number one.
	Putting out, similarly, a book of testimony and evidence on the subject, and that's number two.
	And then number three, having various people help us in networking with other think tanks and other institutes.
	Which could help make this thing come out in the event that the government's become irrelevant.
	And I hate to use that word that way, but you're a guy who said, you know, our elected officials are this and that.
	And I'm actually a cautious optimist about our elected officials.
	I think that, if given the chance, some of them will want to do the right thing, but maybe not enough to make a difference.
	In which case, if the government choose not to get involved with this because it's too hot a potato to handle, Then I think we need to start looking at networking with other institutions and entities, and we have been doing that for about three years.
	But we want to do more of that, and that's why I'm discussing this on your show publicly.
	Alright, good.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi, where are you?
	In Redding, California.
	Alright, go ahead.
	Well, I can give you the names of six people right now who know for a fact that we have interstellar capability.
	Two government officials, two civilians, and two military.
	Well, please give me a call and share those with me directly.
	Sure, I'll have your number.
	As far as the media coverage is concerned, if the American media won't even cover the almost daily UFO sightings that occur in Mexico City, how would you expect that they would be willing to cover this?
	Ah, good point.
	That is a very good point.
	And the media, as a member of our team who was once the Time Bureau Chief for Time Magazine has said, Has really fallen asleep at the wheel.
	The fourth estate is almost totally dysfunctional at this point.
	But what I would say to people, however, is that the media need to have something to focus on.
	And this is why either congressional hearings or a UN conference or something like that.
	You can't just have another UFO conference in the Holiday Inn in Poughkeepsie and expect the world media to take that seriously where you sell tickets for $10 a pop.
	It's got to be done in a way that is world-class That has extraordinary evidence and extraordinary whistleblowers and witnesses stepping forward.
	I think if you meet those criteria, and you have any media savvy at all, the media will cover it.
	But it's got to be something where... Carl Sagan said something which many people have gotten furious about, and I agree with him.
	Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
	Indeed.
	And so the onus is on us, in the civilian sector, to collect the extraordinary evidence, both in the way of witness testimony, And in the form of videotaped photographic evidence.
	And that's what I was going to say before the break.
	Anyone out there who has evidence, not just witnesses, but other types of evidence which they think would be helpful in convincing these members of Congress or the public that this subject is real, please contact us.
	Because what we want to do is put this in our briefing document and in our evidential pool.
	Doctor, how much physical evidence do you now have?
	The people I'm working with possess a substantial number of cases where there is physical evidence, and they are unambiguous.
	This is a hot potato.
	I can't go into a lot of detail, but let me just say, if there's a congressional hearing or a scientific inquiry at the National Academy of Sciences, we've got a freight train full of evidence, I think, that can be driven through any door that cracks open, and it will be definitive.
	But the problem is, is that, again, where do you present that?
	You present that at the next UFO conference?
	I don't think so.
	I don't either.
	First of all, and that's the other problem with this subject, you've got to think strategically.
	Where do you position something this big so it gets taken seriously?
	Alright, look, even with all deference, Doctor, given to Larry King, Larry King has done programs in which he sat out in the middle of the desert.
	I was on that program.
	Exactly.
	But the world did not suddenly sit up and take notice after that program, so I'm not sure Larry King is the right man.
	That program was not designed to gather together the definitive evidence and have it presented.
	Because at that time, we weren't ready to do that, and I don't think it would have been appropriate to do it.
	We were still exploring avenues, and are still exploring avenues with the government and elsewhere.
	But I think that the time for that is coming very quickly.
	I would like to see this completed during 1997 or 1998 at the latest, and I think it can be.
	Again, it's a matter of people pulling together and doing it.
	There's another way of approaching this, and this is another point I'd like to make quickly, is that you can also take this to the people.
	The other part of what SeaCity is doing is training people to go out to the desert or out to the volcanic zone in Mexico and use technology to attempt to interact with these spacecraft directly.
	And on a number of occasions we've had near-landing situations where these things have been ten feet above the ground or hovering three or four hundred feet above us.
	And I think that this is something people can begin to do because these objects are being seen all over the world all the time.
	And we're going to have a training for people interested in this in the high desert of Colorado in June.
	From June 12th until the 17th of this year where we're going to train people in these research protocols.
	So anyone who might be interested in that also should contact us or look at our website and they'll see there's a notice on there about this training.
	And I will be there personally there to train people in doing this.
	And we involve, we do this through a number of modalities that include the The use of high powered lights, electromagnetic signals, remote viewing and remote vectoring, and some other high strangeness techniques that are controversial, but which appear to be effective.
	What I'm saying to folks is that that's another grassroots.
	People listening to this show say, gee, what can I do?
	I don't know a witness.
	I tell them, look, if you live anywhere on this planet, you can learn to go out and do real time observation.
	And take it one step further.
	Try to establish some kind of contact or dialogue with these objects and see what happens.
	Now, you know, it's not for the faint of heart because you don't know what's going to happen.
	It might be something you're not quite ready for.
	But, I mean, if you're someone who is somewhat adventuresome and willing to go out and investigate this, we have developed a series of protocols which I think will facilitate people being able to do that effectively.
	Uh, out in the field and actually establish some type of preliminary contact with these objects.
	Uh, and if this is done by enough people all over the world, I think the day will come when a definitive and unambiguous event will take place that will be filmed and will be witnessed by a dozen or several dozen people, and it simply won't be able to keep the genie in the bottle any longer.
	All right.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Jack from Charleston, South Carolina.
	Hello, Jack.
	Hi.
	I have a comment and a couple quick questions.
	First, during the first hour, Dr. Greer's comments kind of seemed to me to have the intensity of John Lowengard when he was speaking about people's right to know on Dark Skies.
	Yes.
	And my question, have you had any contact with Representative Stephen Schiff from New Mexico?
	Good question.
	And is there any truth to the stories about Majestic 12?
	And also, are you going to involve Arts Parts?
	I should say that there are members of our team, close members of our team, who do know Representative Schiff.
	There are about 60 members of Congress who are personal friends of various people in the C-City network.
	We have an extensive network of people.
	We've been doing these backdoor briefings and meetings with quite a few of these.
	I have personally met with Senators and Congressmen from Democratic and Republican aisles.
	In the last year.
	And I do believe, of course, Representative Schiff is one of the people we'll be inviting to this briefing in Washington.
	As far as, you know, does Majestic 12 exist?
	Yes, it does.
	I don't know that it's called that right now.
	The last known acronym for this entity that I knew was PI-40.
	I don't know what it stands for, but the letters P and I and then the number 40.
	But it really doesn't matter what it's called.
	The fact of the matter, we know it exists.
	And we've developed some pretty good context into it.
	It's not what people think it is, though.
	I can tell you that most of it is in the private sector.
	If you really want to know where the balance of power is on this issue in terms of policymaking and what have you, it's not even in the government.
	It's in the private sector.
	Alright, I know that it's getting very late back east.
	Yes, and I'm getting tired.
	I'm going to have to sign off here for a few minutes.
	Exactly.
	And we're coming to the end of the hour, so give them your contact information one more time, Doctor.
	Please.
	Yes, our website is www.cseti.org.
	and our phone number is area code seven zero four two seven four
	five six seven one
	and if they want to write us a snail mail it's uh... p o p Box 15401 Asheville, A.S.H.E.
	V.I.L.L.E.
	North Carolina 28813.
	And again, people calling, please restrict your calls to those who have evidence or government witnesses that they would like to network into this project because we simply, you know, are trying to focus on that right now.
	If people are interested in attending the training in Colorado in June, Uh, information on that, uh, is available on the website or they can write us and we'll send them information about it.
	Okay.
	Um, Doctor, I would hope that somewhere down the line, uh, you would give me a call and let me know how you do, how the response goes.
	Would you do that?
	Well, maybe we can get back together after this meeting this spring and we'll talk about what, where we are then.
	Sounds good to me.
	All right.
	Dr. Greer, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Dr. Stephen Greer from Seasetting.
	And there you have it.
	A lot set up to occur this spring, isn't there?
	Alright everybody, when we come back, and we will, open lines.
	Anything can and will happen.
	Stay right where you are.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
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	I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
	I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
	Governments won't do that and the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
	They think that they'll lose control of us.
	Yes, if we know.
	If you actually truly believed that we were being visited by extraterrestrials, and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
	Absolutely not!
	You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
	And you would forget all about government control and everything else so the bottom line
	is government will never ever disclose the true facts
	of UFOs. Now we take you back to the night of February 21st 1997 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time
	All right, open lines coming up.
	I've got quite a bit of information that I'm going to sprinkle around.
	Here's one, for example.
	Comes from Gary in Las Vegas, listening to KXNT 840.
	Art, did you see the story on Channel 8?
	That's our CBS affiliate in Las Vegas at 6.
	George Knapp, Did a story about the strange humming noise in Pahrump.
	People in Pahrump can't find the source of the hum.
	Could it be from your radio station?
	No, it's not on the air yet.
	Or could it be something going on in Dreamland?
	Anyway, in case you haven't seen it, I thought you'd like to know.
	Well, no, I didn't see it.
	Yes, I certainly do know about the Pahrump hum.
	As I've said on this program before, I've got a very good friend who lives across town, works at the test site, and he lives over on the other side of town, I guess I'd better not say, but the other side of town, and he built a porch.
	And in doing so, he sunk some 2x4s, or bigger, into the ground, and when he did, he got so much hung, that he couldn't sleep at night.
	Now, this is no joke.
	He ended up removing that porch because he could not sleep at night.
	So, there you've got it.
	A little bit of an update on a sort of a weird thing going on out here where I am.
	Now, I got a fax tonight that you've got here.
	This is incredible.
	Maybe somebody out there can help out with this.
	Alright.
	I'm writing to you To see if I can get some help from you, or your vast listening audience.
	I live in rural eastern Washington, near the Manistash Ridge.
	That's M-A-N-A-S-T-A-S-H.
	Manistash Ridge.
	On our property, there is a hole.
	Like the previous owners, and the owners before them, we have been throwing our trash into the hole.
	Apparently, the hole has been there as long as anybody can remember.
	At first I thought it was an ancient well.
	Anyway, the hole is nine feet, nine inches in diameter.
	There is a stone retaining wall around it, and we've put a steel door on top to keep anybody from falling into it.
	As I said earlier, People have been throwing their trash into the well, that's in quotes, for decades.
	Furniture, household trash, dead cows, building debris, you name it.
	The thing is that I noticed that the hole never filled up.
	So I got curious, actually obsessed.
	I began trying to measure the depth of the hole.
	So I emptied three fishing reels of about 1,500 yards of monofilament Trying to determine the depth.
	Soon, I was buying fishing line in bulk.
	So far, I've sunk about 80,000 feet of line into the hole without reaching bottom.
	My wife wor- That's 80,000 feet, folks!
	My wife works at a local university with a geology department.
	We hope to get some professional scholarly help in determining the depth of the hole.
	As far as I can tell, There's nothing else particularly strange about the hole except for two other things.
	One, dogs refuse to get within about a hundred feet of it.
	Birds will not sit on the retaining wall or metal door.
	Another strange thing is there's no echo when you yell into it.
	None!
	Indeed, I've never heard anything hit bottom when tossed in.
	We once tossed in an old refrigerator and never heard it hit bottom!
	No crash, no splash, no crunch.
	I hope your listeners can help with possible explanations.
	I'm wondering if this, based on my measurements so far, is the deepest hole on Earth.
	Signed, Mel, and I've got his last, uh, name here.
	Thank you, Art Bell and listeners.
	And I thought you would enjoy hearing about that.
	I sure did.
	Perusing the mainstream news a little bit, Kenneth Starr now says he's going to stay and finish.
	There were a bunch of people out there saying that Kenneth Starr had conducted two mock trials of the Clintons.
	That's now said to have been a rubbish story.
	Prosecutors are vowing to seek the death penalty in the case of Lawrence Singleton, now accused of killing a prostitute.
	And I guess the best you can say there is better late than never.
	Should have done that first time around.
	There should have never been a case of a Lawrence Singleton involved in the justice system after the first time.
	He should have been gone forever and you and I both know it.
	Airline accidents rose last year.
	National Transportation Safety Board saying that passenger deaths and major accidents rose last year.
	380 people dead.
	But, you know, that's from crashes.
	And they didn't say how many died from just getting sick on airplanes.
	I'm telling you, I'm going to do it.
	I'm going to find the right person.
	I'm going to do a program on that.
	I'm so angry about that, I could scream.
	If I was any better, I would scream.
	Here's a fact.
	Lately, it seems I get sick a few days after beginning a trip.
	Or a few days after returning.
	Alright?
	If I get sick as a result of the outbound portion, the trip is seriously disrupted.
	In either case, I lose several days productivity.
	The prevalence of non-refundable tickets has undoubtedly increased the number of infectious people on airliners.
	Considering how many people get sick from diseases, they contract in poorly ventilated airliner cabins.
	I would suspect many more are killed by poor ventilation that are killed in airline crashes right on the money, my friend.
	Right on the money.
	You see, in the days when they used to allow smoking on aircraft, remember those days long ago?
	They had to bring in a lot of outside air in order to Take care of the smoke problem.
	Now, once they stopped the smoking, they began more recirculating, and the germs go round and round.
	That's how I got sick.
	Question about it.
	You could count back the day, the day I began to get sick from, uh, uh, it was just the right germination period from, uh, when I've been on the airliner, uh, going to, uh, coming back from, uh, Mexico.
	Our friends in Chicago are underwater nearly.
	The weather across the U.S.
	is utterly, absolutely bizarre.
	Buffalo, New York, yesterday 70 degrees.
	Chicago, with a couple of inches of rain, boom like that.
	The South, with ugly, violent weather.
	It's changing.
	Former heavyweight boxing champ, Riddick Bowe, in and out of the U.S.
	Marine Corps, ...in days, hours, really.
	And I think the Marine Corps is not necessarily for millionaires who are used to being pampered and having whatever they want.
	I'm sure he got down parasile and found out you don't get whatever you want when you're in basic training in the Marine Corps, and so he didn't last very long.
	That was generally predictable, wasn't it?
	Well, I've got a lot more because it has been adding up.
	There has been another response from the person who calls himself Priest.
	We're going to get that up on the webpage.
	Be informed as it comes along.
	So, open lines.
	Friday night, Saturday morning.
	Anything you cats want to talk about is fair game.
	I do... I'm trying to be fair now to Major Ed Dames.
	I have got a definitive result On the Philip Taylor Kramer case, and I'm really trying to get hold of Kathy Kramer, so Kathy, if you're out there, call me.
	Somehow I lost Kathy's number, and I've got to talk to Kathy before I make public what Ed Daines has reported.
	At any rate, he will be going on the air with us March 6th, and we'll get it resolved between now and then, hopefully.
	Uh, long before.
	All right, to the lines west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Uh, hi, Mr. Bell.
	How are you?
	Well, sick.
	Oh, this is not Mr. Bell.
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, okay.
	I want to ask you something.
	All right.
	As a previous guest, I'm a first-time caller.
	Yes, sure.
	I don't know if you've ever heard this story that's been on all the news last month, and they did an exciting show on it about these children.
	I think it was England that they had seen this UFO.
	There was over 28 little kids in elementary.
	They went out and interviewed them.
	I saw it.
	I've seen it twice on TV.
	Yeah, I heard something about that.
	And the thing I want to comment and ask you, Mr. Bell, is every one of these children was taken in separately and told.
	They told the same story that the alien beings, when they described them, they all saw them.
	The alien beings told every child.
	That unless we stopped what we were doing on this planet, we were going to destroy it, and they wanted the message to be given to the children.
	I don't know who the alien beings expected the children to do anything about it, but many, many researchers and scientists and government people went down and interviewed these kids, and then that's the last you've heard of it.
	Right.
	But it was on every show, and the other thing you said with your guest that came across, if people will just put their common thinking helmets on and wonder, It was over how many years ago when they landed on the moon, Mr. Bell, our astronaut?
	A long time ago.
	Oh, give me an approximate time.
	30 years.
	That's what I was going to guess.
	OK.
	And common sense just has made me wonder, like many people, it just totally stopped.
	They have regressed rather than progressed.
	Well, I've always wondered about that myself.
	Thank you.
	It just stopped.
	And that is something to wonder about.
	And there are a lot of arguments that can be made that suggest that, well, yes, we went, and we went several times, and we didn't find anything more than rocks.
	Now, that is certainly one scenario worthy of serious consideration.
	And, well, we, you know, we didn't find anything.
	So, naturally, we stopped.
	We could no longer justify the use of that kind of money without getting significant return of some sort for going to the moon or onto Mars or whatever.
	Or you can imagine, you can imagine there were other reasons that we stopped.
	I think you can give equal weight to both scenarios.
	Steven Greer, Dr. Greer, a very, very articulate guest on this subject, and I think there's going to be some, this is going to be a very interesting spring, this coming spring.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Martin in Oceanside, and I was wondering if you've ever talked with Dr. Jack Kasher, who reviewed the STS-48 footage?
	Well, I've talked to a lot of people about STS-48, but not that doctor.
	What does he say?
	They've had him on sightings in a couple other programs, and apparently, from what I can get from the report, it was NASA itself who got him.
	He was a physics professor at Nevada University, I believe, or University of Nevada.
	And he tried to prove it to be ice crystals, but there was no way he could do it.
	And some NASA officials at press conference even said that we are confident that he would prove it to be ice crystals.
	But he's talked quite a bit about it.
	I've got a report for you that you might find interesting.
	What is it?
	The following.
	I don't know if you've already heard it, but one of the shuttle astronauts said they got a great view of Hale Bopp this morning.
	This was prior to landing.
	And it looked like it had two tails.
	If you check out this page and then listen to the audio, you'll probably hear it for yourself.
	I caught a NASA news brief at 9.30 yesterday morning.
	Maybe they'll have it on every half hour.
	So apparently, without the atmosphere to look through, the astronauts got a good look at the comet And it looked like it had two tails, and that was apparently radio traffic that passed between the shuttle and ground.
	Interesting, eh?
	What time can we see it now on the west coast?
	So if I took binoculars out... About an hour prior to sunrise in the eastern sky.
	Okay, good.
	And I guess she's about 20 degrees above the horizon now, almost far enough for me to see.
	I've got a mountain range to the east.
	And I'm waiting, uh, waiting for it to either get high enough or shift, uh, to the western horizon.
	Uh, so, I've been desperately trying to see Hellbop without any luck yet.
	I know a lot of you have seen it, though.
	And I'm glad you're alive.
	Oh, me too.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, a lot of rumors going around that I'm, I'm dead.
	Still getting, uh, calls from affiliates saying, is Art alive?
	We've heard he's dead.
	You should see the messages going around on the internet.
	Sorry to disappoint those who would be preparing to have a party.
	No, I'm not dead.
	Ha, ha, ha.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	There's a call about that hole that you mentioned.
	Yeah, isn't that it?
	A big pardon?
	The hole you talked about?
	Yes.
	What city was that from?
	Well, let me see here.
	Um, I live, he says, in rural eastern Washington near the Manistosh Ridge.
	M-A-N-A-S-T-A-S-H.
	And how deep is it?
	Well, so far he's got 80,000 feet of monofilament hanging down without having hit bottom.
	Right.
	I don't know if you recall me during your predictions, but I did an off the cuff prediction.
	I said off the record, I mean, because I gave you one, and then I said there's going to be a hole discovered.
	You did?
	I did.
	I have it on tape.
	That's why I wanted you to repeat all this information.
	You have it on tape?
	I sure do.
	You have the tape there with you?
	Yes, I do.
	All right.
	I'll tell you what.
	I've got a break coming up.
	Okay.
	Cue up your tape.
	Okay.
	I'm putting you on hold.
	Thank you.
	All right?
	Sure.
	This I've got to hear.
	I don't offhand remember it, but there's nothing like Memoracts, huh?
	So we'll see if he really made that prediction coming up next.
	If so, right on target.
	We'll be right back.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from February 21st, 1997.
	twenty first nineteen ninety seven all right well
	i think i've ripped my lip apart uh...
	i've got a caller as an on hold what's up Caller, are you there?
	I sure am.
	Go ahead.
	Now, you've got a tape, right?
	Right.
	You predicted that a hole would be found in the earth.
	Yes.
	Uh, so what you're going to hear on tape is dovetailing from my first prediction from the year before.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Then I made another prediction, but that's not on here.
	Then I said, off the record, I wanted to give you that other one about the hole.
	All right, all right.
	Okay, here we go.
	Uh, from last year was a swarm of air trouble.
	Oh, ding, ding, ding, ding.
	Uh, you're absolutely right, sir.
	You certainly hit that one on the head.
	Oh, it was a toss-up, so that one I think you could record, but my other thing was I also see like a hole in the earth somewhere, like an undiscovered cave or something like that.
	Really?
	It's just off the record.
	A portal, possibly, to the world below.
	But hey, by the way, did you hear about the other thing?
	There you go.
	Wow!
	Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!
	Oh, very good, very good, sir!
	Thank you.
	Um, I really appreciate that.
	Well, alright, um, there it is.
	And if we don't record that officially, I want to... I have got to interview this guy.
	What do you think about this?
	I mean, this does sound pretty weird, huh?
	Well, sure.
	I think I ripped part of my lip off.
	Oh, man.
	Alright, sir, thank you very much.
	Keep talking to me.
	Right, take care.
	I did.
	In my panic, I ripped part of my lip off.
	That's really pathetic.
	Dear Art, concerning the facts you received regarding the bottomless hole, if this is a true story, then Mel is an idiot.
	That's not fair.
	I can't imagine thinking it was appropriate to throw things like a refrigerator down holes that they thought led to their groundwater supply.
	If the hole really is 80,000 feet deep, then I would imagine there is a university nearby that would love to study it.
	True?
	Troy in Sacramento.
	Jeez, my lip is gone.
	I've got this all over my hands now.
	This really, really sucks.
	This is the worst superglue incident that I've ever had, and I've had many in my lifetime.
	I was in a hurry because we're in the break.
	Unbelievable.
	Now, I'll get to sit here and pick this off for the rest of the program.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Let me kill the radio here real quick.
	Thank you.
	And, uh, I'm sorry about your lip impotence there.
	Well, you know what happened?
	It flowed all over my fingers, and I thought that, you know, it almost dries instantly, but it wasn't dry, and so I put it up to start to pick it off, you know, the way you do?
	Uh-huh.
	And instead, it flowed right over my lip.
	And then I close my lip and the rest you can imagine.
	Neat trick for a talk show host.
	Yeah, really.
	This is Smoker Dave in Mesa.
	Yeah.
	And hello to everybody at work.
	I'm kind of amazed that you can't see Hilltop above the mountain range yet.
	Yeah, but look, I've got a 5,500 foot mountain between Pahrump and Las Vegas directly east of me.
	Because I haven't even been able to point it out to my boss at work from where I work at like 4.30, 5 o'clock in the morning.
	We can see it even in the city lights here.
	Well, I envy you.
	And I'm going out in about a couple hours here with my four and a half inch Meade telescope.
	Have you been getting better with that?
	Well, not yet.
	Have you found Polaris with it yet?
	I found the moon.
	Give me a break.
	That's all I've found is the moon.
	The first time I took it out, I got Polaris, and then I got Mars, and tonight will be the second time I've taken it out.
	And I'm gonna go out and try to get Hale-Bopp on it here in a couple hours.
	Well, if I don't look, if it doesn't get high enough, as I said, I've got this big mountain range, and what do you estimate Hale-Bopp to be above the horizon now?
	About 20 degrees at best?
	Yeah, about 20 degrees.
	And actually, you can still see it.
	I mean, here with the city lights, we can only see the very brightest stars.
	And, uh, you just look for a bright star that looks fuzzy.
	All right.
	Yes, I've got you.
	Uh, thank you very much, and then I would assume once you get a telescope on it that you can see a very definitive tale.
	I'm jealous.
	As I say, I've got this large mountain range that rises, uh, directly to the east of me, and eventually, of course, it's going to move to the west, then I'll have it made.
	But I'm jealous.
	Jealous.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, this is Mike from The View.
	Hello, Mike.
	Last time I called you was a week ago today, when you were talking to JC.
	Mm-hmm.
	That was fun, wasn't it?
	Very different, yes.
	Typical of what we do on this show, different.
	I wanted to ask you if you could do me a favor.
	What do you have in mind?
	I caught part of a show quite a while ago that you did on Bigfoot, and you had a Bigfoot yell.
	Oh, yeah, I've got it.
	Can you play that for me?
	Well, it's pretty scary stuff.
	Um, why?
	Well, I have a friend that goes to school in the University of Wisconsin in Madison.
	Yeah.
	And he is, um, I'm not exactly sure what he does, but his specialty is doing his master's thesis in animal, I guess you'd call it languages.
	Yeah.
	Trying to figure out exactly how much Animals have the ability to communicate.
	All right.
	Here is the first one.
	This is only so-so.
	it's good but not great.
	You know that sounds to me more like the victim of a proctologist you know.
	Yeah, that wasn't the one that I heard.
	That's right.
	The other one that I have is a very, very serious yeti yell, and I have had experts on the air.
	Okay.
	Experts on the yeti who have heard this and say, yes, oh yes, that is genuine.
	Okay.
	You know, a number of people have studied it.
	So here comes the genuine yeti yell, and nobody would ever want to hear this in the dead, dark, Night in the middle of a forest.
	Here it is.
	Well, there it is.
	What does that say to you?
	Well, I was wondering.
	I'm recording this right now.
	Well, what does that say to you?
	When you hear that, what does that say to you?
	Don't come any closer.
	As far away as possible.
	At least that, huh?
	But, hopefully, when this tape comes out, it'll be good enough.
	But, you know, recording off the radio doesn't give you a very good copy.
	That's true.
	If you have a computer, I think they've got a sound clip of that up on the website.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	That would probably be all I need because he needed it to be digital so he can break it down.
	I see.
	So he can, you know, do all whatever they do to Animal Price.
	Alright, well I'll look forward to your report.
	Get back to us.
	I will.
	Alright, take care my friend.
	A piece of my lip in the ashtray here.
	It hurts.
	I've got this stuff all over me now.
	Stinking super glue.
	You know, it doesn't have to be like water.
	I've had this other super glue that's a little bit better.
	It's super glue gel or something.
	But it's still bad.
	And it still grows on you.
	But this stuff, this is like water.
	I mean, this just flowed over me like a string on a spigot.
	Now I've got to wait for my lip to heal.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	About two or four weeks ago, you had a fellow on from back east someplace that had a machine that prints the blood, and he was talking about curing cancer.
	Oh, that was Wayne Green.
	Wayne Green.
	Is there some way that I can get the... I didn't have a chance to write down his address or phone number.
	Well, I don't have it off hand, but what I would recommend is getting a copy of the program.
	Do I need to know what day he was on?
	No, just the last Wayne Green program we did.
	Yeah, I have a very dear friend that has lupus, and that was one of the things he said he'd had some success with.
	So, we're kind of interested in seeing what he has to offer there.
	I've been tempted to try it myself lately.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, I guess you got from the plane trip, huh?
	I'm so angry.
	I'm so angry about that.
	Yeah, well, the same thing happens to me every time I go on a trip.
	I get sick.
	What a price to pay for a vacation, you know?
	Really, really.
	A few days of vacation and an equal number of days flat on my back, sick as a dog.
	Yeah, there's a lot of tough bugs going around.
	And now, on top of everything else, I mean, when it rains, it pours, I've ripped my lip.
	Yeah, I heard you super-glued it.
	I did, yeah, during the break.
	Well, that stuff dries awful quick.
	I've tried to glue my fingers together before.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	It was a natural reaction.
	I just put my, you know, you want to get it when it's just dried, you know, before it really sinks in, right?
	And I had a couple of fingers here about glued together, so I put it up to my mouth to try and pull it off in moss.
	And that's when it flowed across my lip.
	Bad move, bad move for a talk show host.
	.
	I'm going to be interviewing somebody next week, I believe, named Emily Lau.
	Emily is an elected Hong Kong representative, and she's going to talk to us, I believe Monday, now it's a tentative, alright?
	Because we're talking about a connection to the other side of the world.
	Something we can do.
	And she's really sticking her neck out because I think Emily's liable to end up in jail and I've talked to my source about this very carefully.
	Thoroughly.
	He wants to go on the air, she wants to talk about this.
	She is an elected representative of what is left of the Hong Kong government now prior to the takeover in July.
	So we are going to talk to Emily.
	I think at great risk to her physical self.
	But it's your choice.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Eric.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	Where are you?
	I'm in St.
	Marie, Ontario, Canada.
	Yes, sir.
	It's been nearly two years now since you last had Gordon Michael Scallion on, and we're getting close to the time where these major earth changes are supposed to be taking place.
	Do you plan to have him on?
	I've got a message in to Gordon Michael Scallion.
	I've not heard back from him.
	I know that He has been flat out of touch with the media.
	so when i hear from him if i can get on the air you know i will
	okay one more question quick question sir uh...
	uh... i'm thinking of investing in the satellite dish dish network dot i heard
	you want to say that there's been maybe going on there were we cannot only may
	yes that your entire program without going to work still in the works yes
	uh...
	the dish that i love this by the way i i've got it here and uh... i'm in love with it
	And yes, the deal is still in the works.
	No, it is not yet complete.
	When it is again, I'll let you know immediately.
	But very much in the works.
	Okay, thanks a lot.
	Okay, sir.
	Take care.
	I guess they can buy it up there in Canada, huh?
	You should see how much of myself I have glued.
	That was really dumb.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I feel so bad about your poor lip.
	Oh, man.
	What a way to go, you know?
	I think I have a solution for you.
	Baby oil.
	Baby oil?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If you put it on the super glue that's dried, it should help to take it off.
	Well, it's a little late for my lip.
	I'm sorry about that.
	In other words, there's actually a portion of my lip.
	Actually, I can see it here in my ashtray.
	That's really gross.
	It is gross, isn't it?
	Anyway, sorry you had to yell.
	It was an emergency.
	I mean, you're on a break.
	You come back, and you're sitting here mumbling because part of your lip is glued together.
	I know.
	You've got a few choices.
	Mercury must be retrograde or something.
	Anyway, good luck to you.
	It's a full moon, too, isn't it?
	Glad you're feeling better.
	Well, that's, you know.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	See you later.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Cynthia from San Diego.
	Hello, Cynthia.
	I have been trying and trying and trying to get a hold of you for so long.
	Well, here you are.
	Yes, I am.
	I have a few things I've been wanting to tell you about.
	Okay.
	First thing is, I got to visit CBC a few weeks ago.
	You did?
	Yes.
	I was up in Medford, Oregon with my family on some family business.
	I've heard they've got a sign out there.
	Yep.
	I took a picture and everything.
	You did?
	Well, I've never been up there.
	Can you imagine that?
	I have relatives that live up there.
	It says something about Home of the Art Belt Program.
	Yes, it's a big, huge sign, and it's on the middle of the street, and it's not a very big place.
	Right.
	And there it is.
	They have the offices in three little homes, like Craftsman-style houses.
	Right.
	And they have five cats on the premises.
	Oh, yeah, that's right.
	There are cat people up there.
	Yes.
	And they've been slowly buying out the block, you know, as they expand.
	Yes.
	I think they'll own the whole block soon.
	Yes.
	Um, the other thing is, um, did you receive a package in the mail from, um, with a CD-Net, CD-Net today, maybe yesterday, from a band called Staging Machine?
	No, but we're gonna go back up to the post office in the morning, so I imagine it's waiting up there.
	Yes.
	Well, um, Ed and I, we sent it to you on behalf of a friend of ours.
	Oh, that's nice.
	And it's basically, we call it the soundtrack to the end of the world.
	Soundtrack to the end of the world?
	Yes.
	It's kind of like music for the quickening.
	Wow.
	Yes.
	And we hope you'll find it very interesting.
	All right.
	All right.
	Maybe I'll play some.
	You never know.
	Yes.
	I'll look for it tomorrow.
	It's very well done.
	Thank you, dear.
	Can I say one more thing?
	One more thing.
	OK.
	We saw Mars Attacks not too long ago.
	Oh.
	And did anybody ever tell you that you're parodied in it?
	No.
	You are?
	Where?
	I'm serious.
	Where, where, where?
	There's a character in there.
	He's kind of a wheel and deal and Vegas guy.
	He's played by Jack Nicholson, who also plays the President in the movie.
	And I was looking at him, and he has your mustache.
	And then I was paying attention to it a lot more as the movie went on, and later on they had him wearing this shirt that was pretty wild, and it had UFOs and planets and stuff all over it.
	And then at the very, very end, I was looking at the credits, and I noticed that they kept calling him Art throughout the entire movie.
	That he was, uh, until he, um... And then at the very end, um, the credits said his name was Art Land.
	Really?
	So Vegas is Art Land.
	Isn't that great?
	Humorous, yes.
	I've heard a very great deal about that movie.
	All right.
	You really have to see it.
	All right, thank you.
	Yes, you're right.
	I really have to see it.
	Look, we're going to Alaska.
	It's filling fast.
	If you want to come to Alaska with us, and we're going on the definitive real Alaskan cruise, really going into the interior of Alaska.
	You want to see the real Alaska, you come along on this one, folks.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	This is a video of the original Coast to Coast AM.
	This is a video of the original Coast to Coast AM.
	But if the guy has credentials and he did work for the Navy, and this and that, it warrants further study.
	Well, he did work for the government remote viewing program.
	He did.
	No, I understand, but I'm saying, I as a citizen, you know, I listen to you.
	I don't know if that's true or not, but I believe it to be true.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I don't doubt it.
	So obviously, I mean, they're not going to send any sort of enforcement folks over there based on what you said, right?
	Uh, no, but I was going to contact the people at Shea itself.
	Well, look, why not just do as I said and go to Curtis and he and his gang of green hats or whatever they are will go over there.
	Well, I think he would have a more hostile view than the detective that answers the phone.
	But anyhow, it's nice to speak with you.
	I work midnight and you really make my night go by.
	So I thank you much for Taking the call, and I'm shocked that I'm speaking to you, really.
	It's a pleasure.
	Well, I'm glad you called.
	Thank you.
	New York City, W.A.B.C.
	I've got those jingles, you know.
	That was sort of a lifelong dream of mine, to get W.A.B.C.' 's old jingle package.
	And I grew up with that.
	I grew up with that.
	Cousin Brucie, W.A.B.C., boy, I grew up with that.
	And no matter where I moved around the northeast part of the country, The WABC was always there, always there, because they've got a signal that's everywhere in the Northeast and beyond.
	Alright, this is Coast to Coast AM, doing not much of anything, and we'll be right back to do some more of it.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from January 7th, 1999.
	You must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
	Lorne have raises and Lorne engages home.
	Get you where you want to go.
	No!
	Words of love, soft and tender won't wither.
	You ought to know by now.
	You are nobody now.
	You are you.
	the the
	you're listening to our film somewhere in time Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	How long does it take for a piece of lip to grow back?
	People are writing me saying, put acetone on it, put acetone on it.
	It's an open wound.
	Putting acetone on it now?
	Besides, what was there is gone.
	Along with part of my lip, I told you, it's in the asterisk.
	Sitting right there looking, as that lady said, quite gross.
	But it rains at Porous.
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	You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
	I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by a mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
	Governments won't do that.
	And the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
	They think that they'll lose control of us.
	If you actually truly believe that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
	Absolutely not!
	You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
	And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
	So, the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
	Now we take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Well, I believe as a talk show host I now have probably had it all happen to me.
	This is the, perhaps one of the largest atrocities that I've ever committed upon myself yet.
	Hey Art, if, like the man in eastern Washington, I had a deep hole in my backyard, I'm afraid curiosity would get the better of me, and here's what I'd do.
	After building a platform to work from, I'd mount a good telescope, like the one you have.
	Thank you.
	Then with a good quality mirror, I would reflect sunlight down the hole to see exactly what was there using the telescope.
	Well, that's not a bad idea, but I mean, he's got 80,000 feet of monofilament down there so far, and I'm not sure reflected light would, um, would do the job.
	Maybe a, maybe a laser.
	I don't know.
	Hey Art, do you think J.C.
	was behind this lip job?
	No, it was me.
	It's my own stupidity.
	It wasn't J.C.
	That's Nathan in Bristol, Tennessee.
	I'm sure he might have wished it on me.
	Picking this off for the rest of the weekend.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, let me turn that off.
	Yep, turn that off.
	Art, four things first.
	When you played that Yeti out, my three cats just went nuts.
	Oh, I know.
	They don't like it.
	Number two, J.C., keep up the good work.
	These guys, I think they're so comical.
	I receive so much entertainment from them.
	I grew up with Jim and Tammy Baker.
	Oh, you did?
	Oh, yeah, just hilarious.
	I used to watch Jim and Tammy.
	Makes two of us.
	Really?
	Well, for that matter, my family, too.
	It was just comical.
	Yeah, it was.
	Jim and Tammy was a lot of fun, too.
	What's a Calvinist?
	John Calvin?
	Yeah.
	In the Great Reformation, back with Martin Luther?
	Oh, yes.
	I was reared in that type of church.
	Number three, with your guest, I too have seen things up in the sky that I have no knowledge of what they are, but yet somewhat mysterious.
	What bothers me is he would not name those people that are willing to go public.
	Well, he is willing to do that at the appropriate time.
	Yeah, but to do that ahead of time would put them in danger.
	Because he wants them all to come out at once.
	He was going to do that this spring.
	Weren't you listening?
	Yeah, I was listening.
	That's what bothers me.
	I mean, there's so many outlets.
	I guess it's the onslaught that I find troublesome.
	So many people at one time.
	Well, I think, though, he's right.
	Thank you for the call.
	Safety in numbers.
	I think Dr. Greer is exactly right.
	Safety in numbers.
	I would not expect him to name people willy-nilly tonight in the interview.
	I think that would be very irresponsible.
	If you listen carefully to what his objective was, it is to get a lot of people of great character, who are vetted, who can go before congressional sources under sworn conditions, and give testimony and break this whole thing open.
	No, I think he's on exactly the right track.
	Exactly the right track.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Uh, good morning, Mark.
	Good morning.
	Uh, wait, let me turn my radio off.
	Yeah, oh yeah, turn it off.
	And get good and close to the phone.
	Yell at us, because you're not too loud.
	Okay, sir.
	Uh, yeah, I'm, uh, sorry about your lip.
	Yeah.
	Were you, uh, thinking about that, uh, seal with a kiss, Parker?
	Seal with a kiss.
	Nobody would kiss me right now.
	Lips do grow back, right?
	Excuse me?
	I said lips grow back, right?
	Yes, hopefully.
	Yes, sir.
	I really enjoy your program.
	I just got the Beijing radio.
	Oh, you got the Beijing?
	Tell everybody, is it or is it not absolutely amazing?
	It is great.
	I'll tell you.
	I've got a couple of other shortwave radios in that price range, but they can't hold a candle to this art.
	I know.
	It is the most amazing radio.
	And I also have, well of course the crank, it takes about, I get about 30 minutes.
	And also I have the solar power pack.
	They do sell it, you don't need it, but it's kind of neat.
	I mean you can, you know, have you tried it yet?
	You can put that solar pack under a light bulb.
	Yeah, right now I'm charging it up.
	About an hour from now I'm still going to listen to your show.
	I'll email you as to how it is.
	You know what I was telling everybody is you can actually run that radio directly off no more light than comes from like a hundred watt bulb.
	It's amazing.
	Alright sir, I appreciate the call.
	Thank you.
	If you want to get one of the Beijing radios before they're gone.
	It's 1-800-522-8863.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, Art?
	8863.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.
	Oh, Art?
	Yes.
	Uh, when you had Whitney Schreber on, he said that the asteroids across the Earth's path, about 270,000 miles.
	That's right.
	Well, in Strange Universe, they showed a guy in California took a picture of an asteroid going through the atmosphere.
	And it was only about 80 miles high.
	That's right.
	It's also on dark skies.
	Yeah.
	So yes, we've had, that's called a bullet graze.
	Yeah, that just glanced off the atmosphere.
	That's right.
	Yeah, on Isaiah 2420 it talks about the earth wobbling when one of these things hit.
	That the earth will wobble like a drunkard.
	What would happen if the earth actually began to wobble?
	I don't know, but hey.
	Whatever, it wouldn't be good.
	That's right.
	I wonder if we'd all sort of start to jerk around.
	I don't know what's going to happen with that.
	Well, it wouldn't be good.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Latest on the website.
	A link to Dr. Greer's C-SETI project.
	Up there right now.
	The second anonymous priest letter on the Hillbop page.
	That's up on the front, too.
	I just received it.
	You read it.
	See what you think.
	Then I see Keith has put up there, rumors of Art's demise are greatly exaggerated.
	You know, I should read that to you.
	Some really mean-spirited person put up my death notice.
	I am.
	I'll get that and read it to you.
	I don't know who the hell did that, but do any of you out there happen to have it?
	I've got a copy in the other room somewhere and I'll find it and read it to you.
	But, you know, it was like a press release, and they put it up on the internet.
	How about one of you out there has it?
	If somebody has it, uh, call me.
	And I'll let you read it, uh, otherwise I'll try and find my copy.
	And so everybody's been calling me and saying, are you dead?
	And sending me email, that's another one.
	They've been sending me email, are you dead?
	You know how I've been responding?
	Yes.
	I died on the 20th.
	It was very sad.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Fine.
	Turn off thy radio.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Click.
	There you go.
	Where are you?
	Los Angeles.
	That's a good place to be.
	What's on your mind?
	Well, art.
	Yes.
	A couple of things.
	One, I wondered, with Stephen Greer, What makes him think that anybody will listen when they treated Richard Hoagland the way they did?
	When he had his press conference, the press wouldn't show up and stuff.
	You know, it's not a reason not to try, though, and he's going to gather together some very heavy-duty people, government and private sector, and they're going to tell what they know.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	I mean, it's worth a try.
	Yeah, it is.
	The other thing is, I faxed you about Ed Dames.
	Yes?
	Appearing the other day at MUFON.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I went to that, and he was very evasive in answering questions about ETs and stuff, which I thought was interesting.
	And he said there was no such branch as MJ-12.
	Well, Dr. Greer said, yes there is, but it's not called MJ-12.
	And as he points out, what's in a name?
	MJ-12, Magic, whatever it is, it is the idea of what it is, not what it's called.
	Who cares what it's called?
	If there is a group that possesses this information, in effect a government within a government, I'm not saying there is, this is what Dr. Greer said, then its name is not particularly important.
	Its existence certainly is.
	Speaking of Ed Dames, you should see what I've got here from the Electronic Telegraph.
	Headline, Japan Milk Fears As Australian Anthrax Spreads.
	Australia's worst anthrax outbreak for a century spread to sheep yesterday As authorities tried to reassure milk and beef customers in Asia that they were not in the middle of a, in quotes, mad cow type of crisis, the Deputy Prime Minister told Asian trading partners there was no threat to human health as a large vaccination program was stepped up to cover 32,000 cattle and sheep in Victoria.
	So far, more than 130 cattle And at least one sheep have died since the outbreak was reported January 26th.
	Wow.
	Milk.
	Remember what Ed Dames had to say?
	About milk?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Ed in San Diego.
	Hello, Ed.
	Your infamous board op at KFMB.
	Yes, sir.
	You know, they nickname me Bellboy now.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That's what my boss calls me.
	Calls you bellboy?
	Uh-huh.
	Because I'm like your biggest fan down here as far as like station personnel.
	Well, that's, that's, then that's an honor.
	Yeah, I thought so too.
	That's alright.
	Um, anything, I'm, I was just hoping that, I'm glad you're feeling better.
	Oh my god, I just, you know what I just noticed?
	What?
	I've got glue all over my nose too.
	Oh, Art, Art, quick, I was talking to you, you brought up the PVC, acetone, stuff like um, gel polish remover is really good for Debating that stuff.
	Oh man, it's all over my nose.
	I didn't even notice that before I was so worried about my lip.
	Oh, I really wiped myself out.
	I'm sorry.
	Anyway, go ahead.
	Well, I hope you can... That's what I was calling to let you know about some acetone-based stuff like nail polish remover.
	Yeah, right.
	That stuff is good for getting off that kind of glue base.
	Well, if there's any glue left on my lip, I'm sure as hell not going to splash acetone on it.
	I didn't know if it was still on your hand or not.
	It is.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's all over the place.
	What a mess.
	Well, I hope your cats were keeping you company when you were sick.
	I know they're good.
	You know what?
	They know when you're sick.
	They certainly do.
	And they come to you and they try and comfort you in their own little cat way.
	They certainly do.
	They can be wonderful, wonderful companions when you're ill.
	Cats are very sensitive that way.
	And I hope you'll get your cat page coming up soon on the web.
	Because I'd love to send you some of our family of our 14.
	We'll probably do that.
	We'll probably put up a cat page.
	I think we will.
	That's a great idea.
	Thanks for reminding me.
	Love to you, sir.
	Take care.
	Bellboy, huh?
	Man, I've got this all up and down one side of my nose.
	My nose is already sore, you know, because I've been blowing it so often.
	Ah, when you're down, whoever it is who gets you down loves to kick you, huh?
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	My name is Lou from Arkansas.
	Well, hi, Lou.
	I'd like to tell you about a little dream that I had a couple years ago.
	I believe it's a prophetic dream.
	It might happen later on down the road, but I was in this, like, a restaurant, and I thought I was having the meal of my life.
	It's just like everybody was waiting on me, handing what I could do.
	They'd do anything.
	It's like you were a king.
	Yeah, you just say whatever you want.
	Your wish was their greatest desire, right?
	I got you, yes.
	Towards the end of the night, I was in this line talking to all these people.
	Some of them were my old friends that I had in high school.
	I hadn't seen for years.
	I just kind of wondered what was going on.
	I was kind of just an observer and not really had much control of what was going on.
	And everybody was just having a good old time, you know?
	And we were taken to this room, and we were all these lazy boys with these headphones, you know?
	And we were just like listening to this music, kicking back.
	And I asked these people, what were we doing here for?
	And this one guy said, you don't know what you're doing here for?
	And he goes, this is the government-sponsored suicide Chamber.
	In other words, that was your last meal.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	You were encouraged.
	See, the world was so bleak because of everything that was going on.
	You know, all the famine and the plagues on the Earth.
	So in other words, they give you a great last meal.
	They put you on a lazy boy.
	They put some good stereo headphones on.
	And then you get gassed.
	And then you get gassed.
	And well, this gas started to come out, right?
	Yeah.
	And I said, wait a minute, I don't want to be here.
	Right?
	And I went and knocked on the door, you know, before the gas started to come out.
	Let me out!
	Let me out!
	And the person opened up the door, right?
	Oh, really?
	He let me out, and he goes, if you don't want to be here, you don't have to be here, right?
	And then he just let me out.
	I was like, he didn't make you stay there, right?
	Well, see, that's the way it would not be in real life.
	The way it would be in real life is, Let me out!
	Let me out!
	Gas is coming!
	Let me out!
	Let me out!
	And slow fade to black.
	Because nobody would be let out.
	You've had your dinner.
	You've had your time on the Lazy Boy and the music.
	And now, it's goodnight.
	That's the way it'd be in real life.
	In dreams you wake up.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey Art, how are you doing?
	If you've been listening, why do you even ask?
	I've got a cold.
	I'm all congested.
	I've glued my lip together.
	My nose is glued.
	I've got glue on my hands.
	Otherwise, it's a great day, sir.
	Well, I was just going to say, I've been sick the last couple of days.
	I've been working nights.
	Because I've been sick?
	Right.
	I knew that.
	As a matter of fact, on your chat line, they were saying they thought you were dead.
	I know.
	Oh, I gotta go try to find that press release.
	Somebody issued a press release saying I'm dead.
	Now, is that the PIDs or what?
	Oh, for real?
	The actual press release?
	Yeah.
	Holy cow.
	I know.
	Anyway, I was just gonna comment.
	I was listening to your, uh, speaker tonight.
	And, uh, or your speaker.
	Dr. Steven Greer.
	Right.
	And, uh, I really enjoyed that.
	And, uh, this goes along with a lot of the stuff you, you know, you get in the, uh, obscure press about, uh, I'll hear all sorts of facts regarding Project Blue Book and the cover-up of that.
	Listen, can you hold on through the break?
	Sure!
	Alright, good.
	Stand by.
	See if I can go find that press release.
	I'll read it to you.
	Not too many people ever get to do that, do they?
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AM concert series.
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired February 21st, 1997.
	Good morning, everybody.
	It is good to be with you.
	In more ways than one, I'm going to read you my death notice here in a moment.
	I went and found it.
	The entire side of my nose is glued.
	Fortunately not shut, but you know, it's just glued.
	We take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	This is the story of a man who was able to escape the prison of the night.
	You can watch the full episode of Art Bell on our YouTube channel.
	Here, let me read this to you, alright?
	Subject, Art Bell has passed away for immediate release.
	Pahrump, Nevada.
	Radio talk show host Arthur Bell, known to his fans as Art Bell, Was pronounced dead at 5.30 a.m.
	Pacific Time on Thursday, February 20th, 1997.
	He was 51 years of age.
	At approximately 4.24 a.m.
	Pacific Time, Thursday, February 20th, 1997, Art Bell suffered massive chest pain shortly after going off the air and was immediately taken to the Prompt Medical Center at 1330 Highway 160, only 10 minutes from his home.
	The cause of death has tentatively been determined to be cardiac arrest pending further investigation.
	Attending doctors worked on him for almost an hour before he was pronounced dead.
	He was survived by his widow, Ramona, and his teenage son, Arthur Bell Jr.
	Art Bell began his career in radio at age 11 using a ham radio setup and continued his interest in ham radio up until the end of his life.
	His interest in ham radio was spurred by his father, a World War II veteran.
	Art Bell's autobiography, The Art of Talk, gives a full detailing of his life in radio as well as his interest in the paranormal and the NASA space program.
	Art Bell hosted two shows, Coast to Coast broadcast live weeknights at 11 p.m.
	Pacific and 2 a.m.
	Eastern for five hours, and Dreamland broadcast live Sunday nights at 7 p.m.
	Pacific Hi there!
	were ten eastern for three hours coca-cola and remand programs were also available on c band
	satellite satcom one all that one transponder five five point eight
	wide-band audio both dreamland and coast to coast were carried by stations
	all over the world and that's it
	now is no wonder people thought i was dead uh... doesn't that sound realistic to you caller you're
	back on the air Hi there.
	Hi.
	Boy, I never thought that that guy before.
	Well, I'm a paramedic by trade.
	This is a big opportunity for you then.
	Do you have any questions?
	Well, I was talking before the break there.
	I've been interested in this stuff ever since I was a kid.
	I grew up in Southern Illinois and you probably remember the stories of the Missouri Monster.
	Oh, sure.
	And that tied in with UFOs and their sightings.
	I mean, every day, my mom and I would turn on the local radio station to hear what happened the night before.
	Dogs being carried off in the mouth of these monsters.
	Yep.
	But, uh, anyway, I don't know how I was going to tie that in, other than I would just like to see some sort of resolution to all this now, and it sounds like it's not too far in the coming.
	Well, I certainly agree with that.
	I certainly agree with that, and I appreciate your call, sir.
	Thank you.
	First time caller in line, you're on the air, hello.
	Hi Alex, this is Dave calling from the East Bay area of California.
	Hi Dave, you're going to have to speak up good and loud for us.
	Okay, I'll try to do that.
	Hey listen, I've got to tell you that your disclosure of gluing yourself over the radio has caused me some major grief here.
	Why?
	Well, I was in bed with the headsets on, listening to your program, and I started convulsing in laughter.
	Oh, you thought it was funny?
	Yeah.
	Well, wait a minute.
	So, you know, maybe it's... Well, maybe at a distance it's funny, but it wasn't so funny here.
	I understand.
	I understand.
	But it was quite humorous to me.
	Well... And here I was chuckling in bed, and my wife wakes up.
	She thinks I'm having a coronary.
	Huh.
	Now, when she finds out I'm listening to your radio program, she smacks me.
	Now, I'm injured.
	Oh.
	Well, I hope she... I hope she hit you hard.
	Where'd you get it?
	Huh?
	Where'd she smack you?
	She smacked me on the face!
	Good!
	Yeah, but I kinda feel like you now.
	Tell her thank you.
	Yeah, I will.
	Alright.
	In any case, a quick calculation.
	Hmm?
	A friend had called from Washington about the hole.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's over 15 miles deep.
	You got it.
	Can you believe that?
	Well, I don't know if I can believe it or not.
	It's a very intriguing letter.
	There's no question about it.
	It certainly is.
	I think it requires some further investigation.
	I absolutely agree with you.
	Look, I'll tell you something.
	I've got the guy's phone number here.
	No kidding.
	Yep.
	So... Yeah, well, that needs a call back for sure.
	I agree with you.
	Hey, listen, another thing here, too.
	You know, I never really stopped to think that all these meteorites and asteroids and space junk and satellites that re-enter the atmosphere that spark up our sky... Yeah?
	I never stopped to think That these are alien space vehicles that we're shooting out of the sky with our new high-tech weapons.
	It's entirely possible.
	As a matter of fact, that's what Dr. Greer said.
	Yeah, this is really an intriguing letter.
	I would like to talk to Mel.
	Mel, if you're out there... How about giving me a call, Mel?
	Huh?
	I don't think I want to call Mel at this time of morning.
	But I, you know, obviously I'll follow up on this.
	So Mel, if you're out there, would you call me?
	Let me see, what line would be good for Mel to call in on?
	How about... How about my first time caller line?
	Would everybody else be willing to hold up and see if Mel can get through?
	Mel is a guy with a hole in the ground.
	This is a remarkable, remarkable story.
	Sounds... possible.
	So Mel, if you're out there, call me at the following number now.
	Area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Everybody else, hold off.
	I want to talk to Mel, the guy with the hole.
	And I think I'm going to re-read that letter to you.
	one two two two everybody else
	hold off i want to talk about the guy with the whole and i i i think i'm going to reread that letter to you it
	is absolutely remarkable
	mel only at that number Thank you.
	Casey's awake.
	I bet he is.
	Dear Art, I'm writing to you to see if I can get some help from you or your vast listening audience.
	I live in rural eastern Washington near the Manistash Ridge, wherever that is.
	M-A-N-A-S-T-A-S-H.
	Manistash Ridge.
	On our property, there is a hole.
	Like the previous owners and the owners before them, we've been throwing our trash in the hole.
	Apparently the hole has been there as long as anybody can remember.
	At first I thought it was an ancient well.
	Anyway, the hole is nine feet, nine inches in diameter.
	That's a pretty good size hole.
	There is a stone retaining wall around it, and we put a steel door on top to keep anybody from falling into it.
	As I said earlier, People have been throwing their trash into the, in quotes, well for decades.
	Furniture, household trash, dead cows, building debris, you name it.
	The thing is that I noticed the hole never filled up.
	So I got curious, actually obsessed.
	I began trying to measure the depth of the hole.
	I emptied three fishing reels of about 1,500 yards of monofilament line trying to determine the depth.
	Soon, I was buying fishing line in bulk.
	So far, I have sunk about 80,000 feet of line into the hole without reaching bottom.
	My wife works at a local university with a geology department.
	We hope to get some professional scholarly help in determining the depth of the hole.
	As far as I can tell, there is nothing else particularly strange about the hole except for two other things.
	One, dogs refuse to get within a hundred feet of the hole.
	Birds will not sit on the retaining wall or metal door.
	Another very strange thing is there is no echo when you yell into the hole.
	Indeed, I've never heard anything hit bottom when tossed in.
	We once tossed an old refrigerator in and never heard it hit bottom.
	No crash, no splash, no crunch.
	I hope your listeners might be able to help with possible explanations.
	I'm wondering if this, based on my measurements so far, is the deepest hole on Earth.
	Thanks, Art Bell and listeners.
	Signed, Mel, and I won't give his last name.
	First time caller in line, you're on the air.
	Art, I have to apologize.
	Art, you're not Mel?
	I am Mel.
	You are Mel.
	I put that thing on the news group, Art and Art Bell.
	You did?
	Alright, if you're really Mel, there's a way you can prove it.
	How's that?
	What are the last two numbers of the number you sent me?
	I don't know.
	Then you're lying.
	I'm not Mel.
	You're lying.
	Your pants are on fire.
	I am.
	Goodbye.
	See?
	You're not Mel.
	Didn't think I had a way to test you, did I?
	Quit.
	You're probably the kind of guy who wrote my death notice.
	Idiot.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	I can't believe I'm the first caller to talk about Dr. Greer.
	You're not.
	Well, that's true.
	But the thing that I can't understand is, according to his protocol, if two ambulances pulled up at his emergency room bay at the same time, and one was Mother Teresa, and she was in the advanced stages of pneumonia, the other one was a child molester who had confessed his sins to a fellow inmate.
	And a crack addict.
	Right.
	Let's add that.
	And a crack addict.
	Make it as bad as you want, but he was stabbed.
	Yeah.
	They would treat him first.
	So, with all the stuff that he presented tonight, and he... He laid out some pretty heavy stuff.
	Well, yes he did.
	And he's going after the heart of the beast.
	Yep.
	Then, what is What is their protocol?
	Why are they interested in us?
	Is it about quickening?
	Is it about they want to save us?
	Is it about... My guess is, yes, that it is related to what we're headed for if nothing changes.
	That's just my guess.
	This, look, this quickening business is real.
	It is.
	And finally I have laid it down.
	Now I'm going to say this again.
	I've written a book called The Quickening.
	Please do not call my publisher.
	You can't get it yet.
	So please don't call my publisher.
	They're being besieged up there right now.
	Just wait.
	I'll let you know when it's out.
	But I feel so strongly about this.
	That this book just tore out of me.
	And it's going to be available soon.
	I will let you know.
	All right?
	I'll let you know.
	And it documents carefully what the quickening is.
	And so is it related to what's coming as a result of that?
	Yes, I believe probably so.
	I do believe that.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, you're obviously not Mel, are you?
	No, no, I am not.
	I am Marilyn, and good evening, Arthur.
	I am calling you to let you know about Egyptian magic with the... Well, listen, I appreciate the call, but you're going to have to call on another line.
	This is the Mel line.
	I want to talk to Mel, the guy with the hole in the ground.
	So call me on another line.
	This is the Mel Line.
	The Mel, only Mel, call Area Code 702-727-1222.
	Until I say otherwise, it's the Mel Line.
	It's the guy with the hole in the ground.
	That wasn't Mel either.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Uh, Art?
	Hello.
	Hey.
	Uh, sorry about your glue incident.
	Yeah, well.
	Hey, uh, this is, uh, Joe from Cle Elum.
	Where?
	Washington.
	Cleelam.
	Cleelam?
	Do you know where Manistash... Yeah, it's pronounced Manastash.
	Figures.
	Manastash, alright.
	It's about, oh, it's not too far, about five miles.
	About five miles?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're close to it, then.
	Yeah, well, I got a, I got a, uh, kind of a solution for this guy.
	Have you ever heard rumors about this?
	No, never.
	Alright.
	But I got a solution, maybe, uh, so we can get a better idea what's down there.
	What?
	Okay, you know, you can go to the hardware store and buy a hose reel.
	That you wind up your garden hose on?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	That thing could hold a substantial amount of fishing line.
	So you wouldn't be stuck with using fishing reels to try to reel this up.
	And I don't know how he's winding 80,000 feet of line in.
	But... Well, do you realize, look, at 5,280 feet per mile... Yeah, I was calculating that.
	I'm going, that's something like, what, 16 miles?
	That's a lot of...
	That's a whole lot of miles of, uh, yeah.
	40,000.
	That'd be about 8 miles.
	That'd be like 16.
	Anyway, I got an idea.
	This guy could put some stronger line on it.
	Using this big hose reel.
	Like a fishing reel.
	And rig like a downrigger.
	Like a pole and an eye, you know.
	So he could drop it over.
	Why don't you drop a video camera down there on the end of this line.
	With a light.
	That's a cool idea.
	Yeah.
	That's a good idea.
	80,000 feet.
	We're talking...
	We're talking journey to the center of the earth here, or if not to the center of the earth, then certainly pretty far down.
	We could get, you know, quite a bit of line on it.
	Now he says this hole is, what, nine?
	Nine foot, nine inches.
	That's big enough for a human being to be lowered.
	Yeah, I just wondered.
	There's a lot of mines around here.
	Oh, there are?
	Yeah, a lot of old abandoned coal mines.
	Yeah, but who, what miner would have No miner would go that deep.
	No, but it might have been connected to an air shaft.
	A ventilation shaft.
	Huh.
	There's some substantial stuff here.
	We've got some pretty substantial phenomena stuff here in the mountains.
	All right.
	Well, maybe we'll get here from Mel.
	Yeah, we'll see if he's listening.
	See if he calls in.
	All right.
	What he says about that whole Israel idea.
	Yeah.
	You know, holding it open for any single person is turning out to be Almost impossible.
	And I've got the number here so I can check it out.
	I mean, if you're a false Mel, don't call.
	Some people call just to say stupid things.
	During the news break here, I'll answer that Mel-only line.
	Alright, I'm not going to do it on the air because people are calling that number now just to get on the air and hear the sound of their own voice saying something dumb.
	So I'm not going to continue to answer.
	I'll answer it during the news break.
	Okay.
	That's going to be a Mel-only line during the news break.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	I guess you never do this, and you can't this morning give anybody any lip.
	This is Will, WTGY Madison, Wisconsin.
	I could mail you some lip.
	I have a question recommendation for Dr. Greer.
	What's that?
	But first, please have a show on dirty, filthy airline filters.
	I'm gonna do it.
	I've gotten sick a couple times.
	I don't know about that.
	It's not their filters, Will.
	It's their recirculating air.
	Now you're talking.
	Alright, anyway, what is the question?
	Yep.
	My question to the good doctor was, is, Should he not do what we in Save the Baltic and Minority Tribes Movement did?
	Namely, should his people one day show up at a UNESCO United Nations Education Science Committee meeting hearing in some country held on a related subject And all of them just began testifying, keeping statements short to the point... No, what happens to people who do that, Mel, is they get booted out of hearing rooms.
	No, no, no.
	That isn't the way to do it, Mel.
	The way to do it is to get the people lined up who are going to testify.
	Approach and get hearings on the subject.
	Not, in effect, crashing somebody else's hearing.
	That gets thrown out on your ear.
	And then you'll complain that you're being silenced, and you're not.
	You shouldn't have been crashing the other hearing in the first place.
	Lust of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, I know.
	Are you familiar with the overturning of Pyramid Lake?
	The annual turning of Pyramid Lake?
	No.
	Well, once a year, the lake turns over.
	The bottom comes to the top.
	How does that happen?
	I'm not sure.
	Well, the bottom comes to the top.
	You can see it, like, I'm from Reno myself.
	I heard a story that someone drowned in Pyramid Lake and they found their body in a sea in the far east.
	Well, you don't have to go that far away to get anomalies.
	There's a bunch of anomalies right there in Tahoe, you know.
	Yeah, and I was wondering, there's a real distinct fish in Pyramid called the Kiwi fish.
	Well, again, you don't have to go very far to talk about anomalies.
	one in the far east, I was wondering if it's related, they found a body that I guess, he
	drowned in pyramid lake and they found the subject in a lake on the other side of the
	world.
	Well again, you don't have to go very far to talk about anomalies.
	Do you know that there is a creature in Tahoe?
	Yes, my uncle...
	I mean, do you know about that?
	I've heard about that.
	My uncle, uh, has a little chestnut.
	He flew over, uh, Tahoe one night with him and my cousin.
	Yeah.
	And they saw something swimming in the water.
	Something big.
	Well, there have been a lot of disappearances up in the Reno area, and I'll tell you where those people are.
	They're at the bottom of Tahoe.
	In the muck.
	Where they're stored.
	Until it decides that it wants a snack.
	That's right!
	So, uh, next time you go wading out into Tahoe, you think about that a little bit.
	I've known about the, uh, Tahoe creature for a long time.
	Well, my nose is starting to hurt now.
	Maybe I can't leave this stuff on here.
	This is, by any measure, the worst, single worst, superglue incident to ever occur.
	To me, certainly.
	I've had minor brushes with it before, but this, this is the worst.
	Alright, we're gonna pause here, and I'm gonna go look for some acetone or something.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight, featuring a replay of Coaster Coast A.M.
	from February 21st, 1997.
	Thank you.
	And I'll see you next time.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	Well, alright.
	I have got Mel on the line.
	No thanks to all the Mel imitators on the special Mel line.
	I finally picked up the phone during the newscast and called Mel's number and he was just coming in, so... I've got Mel on the line.
	Mel's the guy with the never-ending hole.
	And, uh, we're gonna ask him about it here in a moment.
	Uh, I have read that fax now twice on the air, and I've got a lot of follow-up faxes.
	Here's one entitled, Yet Another Mystery Hole in Eastern Washington.
	Art, you'll love this.
	It was sent to me a couple days ago by email, and it's all about, uh, another one on the Indian Reservation in Colville, where there is another mystery hole.
	Anyway, we'll get to that.
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	Looking for the truth?
	You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	When you look at what's going on around this planet, it's almost as if someone has got a playbook to try to control all these countries all of a sudden.
	I've always said that not everything is a conspiracy, but a lot of it is.
	You know, when you start looking into things, there's only certain set of conclusions you can reach, and unfortunately, this is one of them.
	You know, it's very, very hard not to see things like that when you start looking at things in a larger picture.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	Music.
	Now to eastern Washington.
	I guess this is Eastern Washington.
	Mel, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	First of all, Mel, thank you for answering.
	What are you doing up at this time of the morning?
	Well, after I sent the fax, I'm living in town here now because we had a couple of our buildings out there cave in after the big snows that we had out here last month.
	Oh, yes.
	They're good.
	Thereby goes some of the construction debris into the hole.
	When did you discover this hole?
	The hole has always been there.
	We've been out there for a couple of years now.
	The hole has been there since we've been there.
	It's been there since the previous owner was there.
	The previous owner there was quite elderly.
	He was there for a good 30, 40 years before we moved in.
	Wow.
	And so there's been a thing of throwing stuff down this hole for a long, long time.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's been going on, you know, for as long as it's always been there, I assume.
	When nobody knows that, I guess.
	All right.
	How do you pronounce the name of your town?
	Manistash?
	Oh, Manistash.
	Manistash, that's right.
	Thank you.
	And actually, I'm in Right now I'm in a little town called Ellensburg.
	Oh, I know Ellensburg.
	You must know about our rodeo here, then.
	Oh, sure.
	Well, we've been there for several years.
	We take all of our trash, rubbish, anything we have that we have to get rid of.
	We take it and throw it in the hole.
	Everyone's throwing their stuff in the hole.
	The people from around there throw all the stuff in the hole.
	It's just been going on for a long time.
	You know, I got this thinking one day, how come this hole is not filling up?
	It must be an awfully deep hole.
	That's a good thing to consider, sure, as you throw stuff in it for decades, literally.
	And so, you know, I used to be a, well, I would say pretty close to a professional shark fisherman, so I had a couple of huge...
	Fishing reels went out there and started letting the line down.
	I figure after one... Did you weight the line?
	Oh yeah.
	In fact, the original line is still down there.
	I've just been adding to the line and keeping track of how much line I've used.
	So I've not reeled it in.
	How much weight is on it?
	There's a one pound weight at the bottom of it.
	One pound weight.
	It's a triangular one pound weight.
	Uh, and so that's at the bottom of it at first.
	So in other words, it would go down kind of like a plumbob.
	Exactly, exactly.
	In fact, I have a rig across the center of it there, and it goes, you know, goes straight down from the center there.
	And occasionally I try to move the line there, but when you're moving that much line, you really can't do a whole lot with it.
	But it seems to, you know, there seems to be, it's not resting again against anything at this point here, and it continues to go down freely.
	And so when I was out there earlier, I'd let out a little bit more line.
	So you actually went out there tonight after I read that?
	Exactly.
	Oh, man.
	Well, you know, it's not too bad out here right now.
	It's only about 25 degrees, so it's not too cold.
	Have you ever heard anything coming from any sounds or anything?
	Well, you know, I mean, the normal thing to do is kind of like yell into it there, you
	know, to see an echo, and I've never heard an echo come out of that thing at all.
	You know, that's one of the first things I noticed about it.
	As usual, I brought the dogs with me.
	They wouldn't go anywhere near the damn thing.
	I went back to the Suburban and hung out over there.
	If I try to bring them there on a leash, they'll just dig their feet in.
	They do not want to go anywhere near the hole.
	I don't know.
	You've got miles and miles.
	Well, I'm measuring it by feet.
	I convert feet to yards, so I don't know how many miles it is.
	I assume it's a fair number of miles, though.
	Well, 5,280 feet is a mile, so you really think you've got 80,000?
	Yeah, I get the line in 5,000 yard spools.
	And so, I haven't gone through that many.
	Well, you have got a hole, then, that goes Well, you know, you can't say to the center of the Earth, but you've got a hole that goes miles and miles and miles into the Earth.
	I would think a university would be out there, boom, just like that.
	Well, my wife does work for a local university here, and, you know, we've been talking to them about it, and one of the things is they find it quite incredible that I've let that much line into the ground, but that's what I've been doing.
	Have you ever thought of winding it all back up again?
	Well, when I let out the first 1,500 yards of line, I reeled all of that back in.
	I wanted to know if I hit water down there.
	That's a lot of feet.
	You bet.
	That's 4,500 feet of line.
	Did I hit water?
	of feet.
	You bet.
	You know, that's 4,500 feet of line that I hit water.
	So what I did is I sent down a roll of life savers.
	Yeah, so when it hits the water, the lifesavers will dissolve.
	Oh, I see.
	Very smart.
	There's an old shark fisherman's trick there.
	We used to send our bait out on a balloon attached to a roll of lifesavers and the bait would go out into the ocean on the tide and then eventually the lifesavers would melt and the bait would fall to the bottom.
	You couldn't cast a big old mackerel out there that far.
	That's amazing.
	You got any guesses?
	I don't.
	I have no idea.
	I thought it could have been a mine shaft, but the thing about it is the surface part of it has been very well cared for.
	They've built a very lovely wall around it.
	Tell me about the nature of the side of the walls.
	In other words, you must be able to look down far enough at least to examine The side of the walls?
	Sure.
	It's stone for about 15 feet down.
	And then after that, it's soil, dirt, and then further down, rock.
	I can only see to the extent of a really powerful flashlight.
	I brought halogen lights out there to try to get a better look down there, but the visibility really isn't there.
	You cannot see much after a while.
	You know, it's a retaining wall, let's say it's about a three, three and a half foot retaining wall, and it goes down about 15 feet, and then it's... Well, I'll tell you this much.
	No matter how powerful a light, and I was even thinking about a laser, when you're talking about 80,000 feet, forget it.
	No, they should have some technology that can give me an idea of how deep this thing is.
	I mean, obviously, The old fishing line method is only going to go so far.
	What we need here is a volunteer.
	Really, I'm serious.
	Somebody who would be willing to be lowered into this hole.
	Well, to be honest, I don't even know if there's any air down that far.
	Well, I wouldn't know about that either.
	What kind of pressures we're dealing with, these are things that are totally beyond my Mike Rasp in terms of knowledge about these things.
	Do you own this property?
	It's our property, yeah.
	How long have you been working on this?
	Well, we've been out there for a couple of years, about four years now, but this project here with Letting Down the Line has only been since last summer here.
	I said, well, how come this thing isn't filling up?
	Well, sure.
	You know, I talk to the neighbors around there, you know, which are, you know, when you're out there in the country, your neighbors are pretty far away, but they all know the hole out there.
	They all know about it.
	So the local legend of the hole.
	Yeah.
	This could be an apocryphal story, but one guy claims that he threw his departed canine down into the hole.
	Oh, really?
	Well, the story is the guy that did the swears, the dog actually came back to him.
	Really?
	The story is that he was a hunter, and he was out there hunting, and he saw the same dog, he had the same collar, he had the same little metal thing on his collar there, and he said it was the same dog.
	And he says he knew he threw the dog into the hole.
	That's not, you know, that's not my dog.
	That's not my dog.
	It's not your story, but it's a story of a resurrected dog.
	Yeah.
	This is, you know, as you can well imagine, this is all Native American land around here.
	And one of the lines of inquiries I'd like to make is, you know, is there anything about this hole in regards to the Native Americans?
	You know, that's something I haven't really pursued right now.
	If you had a fatal disease, Mel?
	Yeah.
	Would you jump in the hole?
	I would.
	You would?
	It's actually in my will.
	What?
	That I meet my demise.
	That you would be thrown in the hole?
	Disposed of into the well.
	I'm not sure the health department would allow that.
	Well, um, you know, one of the things that we, you know, I thought about later on is, what if this is like contaminating our water, you know?
	And, you know, we've had, you know, I'm sure you do this out there in Pahrump, too.
	You have your water checked all the time.
	Well, yeah, no personal offense to you, Mel, but if there was a possible contamination problem, I'm sure you're a clean guy.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, as you deteriorated, you would possibly produce E. coli or something horrible in the local water supply.
	Well, again, so far it hasn't.
	The water around that area is absolutely pure water.
	And so nothing's thrown down, all the old junk and trash?
	No.
	Nothing has polluted the water?
	No.
	I mean, I can't speak for everything that's been thrown down there, but none of that's been showing up in the water that people draw from their wells.
	I mean, the water's as clean as it's ever been out there.
	of water that comes off the cascades or something.
	It's really wonderful water.
	Mel, you wouldn't be pulling my leg.
	No, I'm not.
	One of the reasons that I went out to the property tonight, other than it's something
	that weighs heavily on my mind, I was afraid that after I sent the facts out that there
	would be people around there.
	Well, there may be, but we have not identified specifically where it is.
	Well, there aren't, as far as I could tell, too many big holes like that around, and so at least the people in my neck of the woods are familiar with it, and, you know, I kind of almost expect to see a small party of people.
	Well, there may be.
	Now, I mean, you know, come daylight There may be.
	But remember, folks, this is private property.
	This is Mel's home.
	It is posted, too.
	Oh, it is?
	All right.
	Well, there you are.
	So without knowing exactly where it is, I wouldn't look for that to occur, but there is going to be substantial curiosity about it now, Mel.
	Well, you know, I think I've, you know, let you know as much as I know about it.
	I certainly want to find out more.
	I'm mostly curious, I was mostly curious about the depth of it.
	I mean, how deep is the deepest hole anyone has ever found?
	Well, I've never heard of anything deeper than this.
	You know, I thought maybe this would be like Guinness World Book of Records type hole here.
	And as far as, you know, things I thought it would be like, it could have been like an old mine.
	Well now, here's a couple things to think about.
	I've heard as you go down into the earth, Mel, that it gets hotter.
	Right?
	So you would think that your fishing line, with the weight on it, at some point would melt or, you know, something.
	But there's still weight on it, huh?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The line is not moving freely.
	I mean, you know, it still falls under its own weight.
	Oh, that's amazing.
	Let's let some of the audience ask you questions.
	Okay, I think I can do that.
	All right, because I just might be missing something.
	Now, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel, who's got the hole in Washington.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Do you have any questions for Mel?
	Hello?
	Okay, well, I guess that guy gave up.
	By use of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Oh, you got a guest now?
	Well, I mean, sort of.
	Oh, well, I was calling about something else.
	Alright, well, thank you.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hello.
	Mel?
	Yes, Mel.
	Oh, oh.
	Mel, Mel, Mel.
	I wanted to talk to Art.
	I'm on the wrong line.
	Yeah, you are.
	I'm sorry, that's the 222 line?
	Um, 1-2-2-2 is first time caller line.
	That's what I thought I was calling.
	Well, that's what you got.
	But I mean, we're talking with Mel right now.
	I'm trying to... He's the guy with the hole in eastern Washington.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I just have something for Art.
	All right.
	Well, call me back when we're into open lines.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Dave in Milwaukee.
	Hi, Dave.
	Yeah, I was listening to this.
	Very interesting.
	Yeah, it is.
	Well, I just wanted to let you know, I looked up an encyclopedia, and the Marianas Trench, which is the deepest hole we know about... That's in the ocean, right?
	Right.
	It's 36,000 feet deep.
	So this is certainly over double that already.
	Right.
	And it also says under mining that with current technology we can only go down about 1,600 feet.
	Wow.
	That's great.
	That is great.
	So you've got something here that already qualifies for Guinness.
	That is wonderful.
	I like that.
	That's great.
	You said 1,600 feet?
	That's what they said, yeah.
	1,640 feet it says with current technology.
	Wow.
	Alright, alright.
	Thank you very much for that information.
	So already, we now learn that you may have a Guinness qualifying hole there, no question about it.
	But I want to know, inquiring minds want to know, I would think, even if we just had somebody lowered past the 1,600 foot mark, to see what's down there.
	That would be cool, but it wouldn't be me.
	You wouldn't do it?
	I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't go down and... Please, not while you're still alive.
	No, no, yeah, then I will, you know, but I can't, you know, for the time being, no.
	All right, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
	What if the road broke?
	Uh, yeah.
	Well, that's true.
	Mel?
	Yeah, Mike?
	Where are you calling from, sir?
	I'm in Austin, Texas.
	Austin, Texas, sorry.
	Yeah, you mentioned earlier, um, that, um, you, uh, Would like somebody to be lowered down into the hole.
	That's right.
	I would be willing to do that.
	See, there you go, sir.
	A volunteer.
	We've got a volunteer.
	I mean, obviously, under certain conditions.
	Like what?
	Just a cage, for one.
	A cage?
	Yeah, just in the event that there's some kind of weird subterranean thing eating all of this garbage down there.
	Obviously, I would want to be in some kind of a cage.
	Well, what makes you think, though, that anything that could gobble up, say, a refrigerator... Uh-huh.
	...wouldn't hit the cage?
	Well, I would have, obviously, a very powerful light, and I'd be able to see it at some point before it's too late.
	So, we'd have radio contact with you, and we could hear you scream, at least.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Or an instant up button.
	An up button?
	An instant up button.
	On backup.
	You know, at like a high speed.
	And you could take a camera with you?
	Yeah.
	With a light and show us everything as it is?
	Yeah.
	I've got a pretty adventurous nature to me anyway.
	Plus, I have a very appealing draw to the supernatural for some reason.
	Anyway, just naturally, in my personality.
	Well, nobody's saying there's anything supernatural about this, but... Well, the dog story would indicate something supernatural.
	Well, that's true.
	Well, everyone's dogs are scared of the hole.
	Not just my dogs.
	That's a very good point.
	In other words, other dogs won't go anywhere near the hole, huh?
	My dogs will follow me everywhere.
	No matter where I go, they're... Except?
	Except to the well.
	Is this possibly at a grid point on the planet?
	i wouldn't call about great point uh...
	of the night i don't know the only thing about the group i will i do it while i
	know i've got to get started sir from also i've heard about reports
	but i would have no way of knowing where they are and whether this is one of them
	I wouldn't know.
	Now this is just a hole.
	And he's right, there is something a little paranormal about it when you consider the dog story.
	I tell you, Um, now hold on, alright?
	Stand by, we'll be right back to you.
	You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from February 21st, 1997.
	But you and your friends don't worry about me, I'm having lots of fun.
	Counting flowers on the wall, that don't bother me at all.
	Playing solitaire too long with the Jack of 51.
	Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Jangaroo.
	Now don't tell me I've nothing to do.
	Last night I dressed in pale pretenses, I was on the couch.
	As long as I can dream apart, good luck to swing her down.
	I could love to swing her down Please don't give up on me
	I'm gonna head to a bar Her hair is hollow gold
	Her lips sweet and dry Her hands are never cold
	She's got better days to start She'll turn the music on
	You won't have to think twice you
	She's pure as New York snow.
	She's got better days in sight.
	What's to keep you?
	She'll unheat you.
	All the bad guys just to please you.
	She's so cautious.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 21st, 1997.
	And my guest is an impromptu fellow named Mel who sent me a fax about a hole in the ground that just keeps going.
	He needs Pat Boone.
	Where's platoons when you need them?
	Sound of explosion Sound of explosion
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	Now we take you back to the night of February 21st, 1997 On Art Bell, Somewhere in Time
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	Well, here's somebody from Las Vegas, Mike, listening to KXNT, who suggests that we throw a cat down the hole.
	Listen to the cat scream as it goes down.
	It's a horrible idea.
	I don't know about people who do that.
	Throw down a cat.
	Oh, man.
	And you hear the echoes sort of going down.
	I'm not for that at all.
	All right, Mel.
	Here comes some more people.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air with Mel, with the hole.
	Art, why don't you have somebody... I know you're connected with somebody that's got radar available.
	Radar would be the way to go to find out the depth.
	Well, would radar go down a hole without hitting the side?
	Absolutely.
	You don't need a fancy radar to do it.
	You mean like a... What about sonar?
	No, I guess... No, sonar you couldn't use because you don't have anything for the medium to go through, like underwater for sonar.
	Yeah.
	But radar would definitely work.
	In other words... I'm just curious if we'd call a government agency to come out.
	But wouldn't radar return a hit from the sides of the hole and bounce around down there?
	No, no, no.
	Early directional radar, what do you use when you're driving down the highway?
	Well...
	You use radar, but that's out in the open.
	I don't know enough about radar to know if that would work, but it's a good idea.
	I've used it for years, but it's a good way to try it.
	How about a cop's radar?
	I'm not sure if they'll return an echo off of that.
	It's possible.
	It would tell you how fast the hole was going, wouldn't it?
	I'm going to be in a lot of trouble.
	I'm just hop, skipping, and jumping away from you down here in Yakima.
	All right.
	And I'm awful surprised I haven't heard of this before now.
	Well, now, Mel hasn't made this public as far as I know.
	Have you, Mel?
	No, it's just on my land.
	I see.
	My neighbors know about it.
	Wait, wait.
	This is the first public announcement of the whole... As far as I know, there's no newspaper accounts of it, you know, not in the Well, as usual, you've heard your first folks on the bill.
	Before I get serious, I just wanted to kind of lighten things up here and ask if you'd consider making a contract with the Refuse Collection Department from Yakima County to try and make a ceiling on that.
	You know, I read an article in the paper how they wanted to close down our local dump out here.
	I almost seriously suggested it.
	Listen, here's another possibility for you.
	Do you know that I live near an area where there's supposed to be a high-level nuclear dump?
	Now, if this is really, in effect, a bottomless pit, you may have something that the U.S.
	government wants.
	So I could rent this thing out?
	You're damn right.
	And move away as quickly as possible.
	Anyways, I wanted to mention here, we've got many, many mediums of technology, and the gentleman who suggested radar I think was on to something.
	You know, say for instance that Guinness came out and was going to, you know, they're pretty uh... with their investigation before their they're gonna
	the pritchett yeah anyways
	uh... you know maybe the way to go with uh...
	uh... perhaps some of the war in a sensors package uh...
	you know which is the problem measures for uh... not just gases uh...
	temperature uh...
	and i'm sure they could uh... focus a radar
	you know probably pencil and you know
	almond and just hook it up to uh...
	and the supply of uh...
	cable and lower down That'd be awful interesting.
	Look, I'd be interested, even if we don't get a hold of the guy from Austin, to lower a camera and a light down.
	You know, when I was out there this evening, it's kind of a full moon out there.
	And one of the things that occurred to me is maybe this has some sort of Astronomical type, uh, type thing.
	What do you mean though?
	Well, you know, it's like, you know, how, uh, you know, the various pyramids and things in Egypt, you know, are supposed to be lined up on various star systems or whatever.
	Well, was it a thing like where the moonlight was shining into the hole?
	Well, no, but I, you know, I just, you know, happened to notice, you know, the full moon and all of a sudden it just sort of, uh, put two and two together there, you know.
	you've never felt drawn to the whole uh...
	personally have you i mean in terms of uh... you mean in terms of some sort of spiritual
	involvement or No, suicide.
	I keep the lid on it because it's an attractive nuisance.
	You don't want local kids climbing on the wall and falling.
	There's actually no way of knowing whether people have gone in.
	Because you'd be gone.
	Not in my... Down with the refrigerator.
	You know, again, if I can find out something from the local Native Americans on, you know, maybe with some sort of burial thing, or... You know, I mean... And you can drop a big rock, and you can hear it going down, probably bouncing off the walls or something, but you never hear a splash.
	You never hear a splash.
	I've even taken, like, old television tubes, you know, picture tubes, and...
	You've dropped picture tubes down there?
	I've dropped, I've dropped, I hate to say this here, but I've dropped more than one of them down there, and I've never heard it implode or anything.
	Nothing.
	EPA, you probably shouldn't say that on the air.
	Well, uh... They'll come and get you for that, I mean, TV tubes.
	Well, it is my... It's your own property, I know, but these days, Mel, Doesn't make any difference.
	I mean, tomorrow morning you're liable to wake up and there'll be tanks and butreous, butreous golly of you.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Alright, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hi, WKYT Sarasota.
	Sarasota Park, yes.
	Let me say, let's throw Mike from Las Vegas down the hole.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Okay, you know, he's the cat.
	Okay.
	I do have a question for Mel.
	You're a fisherman, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you ever felt a tug on the line?
	And if you did, what would you do?
	Uh, well, I don't have a hook on it.
	There's just a large, uh, there's a one pound weight.
	Yeah, but she's, she's saying if something obviously was pulling on that line.
	Um, what would I do?
	Yeah.
	I, I, I, I, I'd run.
	Yeah.
	I'd seal that damn thing up and I'd never get near it again.
	Yeah, I'd put the lid down on it at that point there and say, that's it, the dump is closed.
	At any point did you ever pull up the weight and look at it?
	Yeah, I asked that too.
	The first series of letting down line when I got about 4500 feet down there, I had a roll of life savers down on the bottom to determine if there was any water.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	course if those water life savers would melt uh... and uh... i did i didn't do that but since that time
	i've let the line continuously go down i've just spliced onto the end of the
	line and can you understand find out where the bottom is yeah that that
	might that was my main questions like how deep is this thing where did it go you
	know well it goes into the earth but you know how how far does it go before
	it'll stop you know uh...
	yeah i think you ma'am uh...
	i think all white
	and a video camera.
	I mean, Mel, you could have a special.
	As you got down past... What did they say?
	Was it the deepest hole?
	1,600 feet?
	1,300 feet.
	As you got down past 1,600 feet, you'd have a network special on your hands, Mel.
	That would be good.
	I'm thinking about putting up a webpage on it there, if I could get one of those.
	What's his name?
	Rivera would come.
	And they'd lure him into the hole.
	Only if we were all lucky.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hello.
	Yeah, this is Terry from Bremerton.
	Hello, Terry.
	Oh, you're up in Washington again, yeah.
	You're right.
	Well, I was wondering about how much does 15 miles of fishing line weigh?
	I have no idea.
	I'm just letting that sucker go down.
	I have not realized it.
	What if you've already hit the bottom and you've got a pound of fishing line on it?
	That's right.
	Yeah, I should weigh one of those spools because I'm getting them in 5,000 yard spools.
	And so I should weigh a spool and sort of deduct the cost of the spool itself and see what that would add up to in terms of how much that weighs.
	So in other words, it could have hit bottom some time ago and simply the pure weight of the line...
	It doesn't feel like it has reached bottom there.
	There's no slack in the line.
	Well, there might not be with that much weight, but even if that's true collar, think about it, he's still got the deepest hole ever heard of in the world.
	Yeah, he does.
	But the weight of the line would keep pulling the line down.
	Yeah, but there would be so much line down there by then.
	What pound test line is it?
	I'm using 20 pounds.
	20 pounds?
	Do you think you have 20 pounds of line on it already?
	Pardon me?
	Do you think you have 20 pounds of line in the hole already?
	I'm sure there's more line than that.
	It would break by then.
	There must be a lot of tension on that.
	20 spools of line on there.
	Wow.
	And it's still hanging on there.
	That weight continues to go down.
	I don't know if there's a way.
	Of weighing that thing, you know, as it is.
	Yeah, I was just interested in how much the line would weigh itself.
	I could probably do that, you know, get one of those hanging scales.
	Sure.
	And the spring operating stuff and just sort of knot it off up there.
	Yeah, why not?
	It's worth a try.
	And the other thing that's worth a try, I suppose, although you'd be cranking for a long time, would be to crank it back up again.
	Well, no, I could just weigh, like, one spool of line and multiply it.
	I think I'm up to about, like, 18 spools of line right now.
	So, you know, it wouldn't be too hard to get a weight on it.
	All right.
	You can report back to us on that?
	Yeah, sure.
	Definitely.
	All right.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Mel.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Washington.
	Yes.
	Oh, Washington again.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I was wondering, what was the Mal said that he had a triangular one pound weight on the end of the line.
	You're right.
	I was wondering what elements was that weight or is that weight composed of?
	It's a standard lead fishing weight.
	You know, you were talking earlier, Al was talking earlier about the heat Well, I was speculating.
	You know, I saw the movie with Papoon about the journey to the center of the Earth.
	It was supposed to get hot when you go down, right?
	Yeah, and also, what about the magnetism?
	You know, that's a factor to consider.
	The magnetism?
	Yes.
	You're off into a territory that I can't answer.
	Mel, are you going to contact... your wife works for...
	Yes, at a local university.
	Have they?
	I mean, did she tell them about this?
	And if so, what did they say?
	Well, the people she talked to, because I nag her about it occasionally, say, you know, they're telling her, you don't have a whole day, but that deep, you know.
	So, in other words, they don't believe her?
	No.
	No.
	What I'm trying to do is, you know, kind of entice them out there and just bring something out there to measure how deep it is.
	Well, now, would you be willing to talk to, like, newspaper people or uh... television people they're crazy they'd send someone
	down uh... i i i don't
	i i i don't talking to a lot of people on the on the phone right now on the
	radio but uh... i i i have not sure but i think i don't want to have a
	uh... tv crew and uh... you know so you're not sure you want that kind of
	No, you know, I mean, you know, I'd be happy to, you know, like I say, you know, I could put together a website on it and keep people, you know, informed about what's going on, because, you know, I'm sort of making this my... People would accuse you of going to the well one time too many.
	That's probably true.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	That is absolutely amazing.
	All right.
	This is Ken from Scottsdale.
	Yes, sir.
	And one thing I wanted to mention about that, you mentioned about a car that had fallen, apparently fallen from the sky.
	The Chevrolet, yeah.
	Right.
	I recall reading about many, many incidents in England and throughout Europe of nuts Raining nuts of different kinds, I mean, Brazil nuts and hazelnuts.
	Sometimes it rains nuts on my program.
	Listen, we're not talking about things falling from the sky right now, we're talking about a hole.
	Right, I know, well this was, it was open lines a minute ago, now you've switched it.
	I've switched it because I have melt.
	Oh, well anyway, as far as the hole goes, isn't it possible there could be like an aquifer or something when the Well, Mel has not found any water.
	Any water at all.
	He lowered Lifesavers in, and the Lifesavers came back, and that was how far, Mel?
	4,500 feet.
	4,500 feet, and the Lifesavers came back intact, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	They were absolutely dry.
	They weren't dissolved.
	They were just perfect.
	That's pretty definitive.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Mel.
	Hi.
	Mel?
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Conrad in Grass Valley and I've got some thoughts about this whole well problem.
	Sure.
	First of all, if he's putting a line down the well... Wait a minute, sir.
	We've got to stop this because people are going to call it a well.
	There has never been any water found in this hole.
	Okay, a hole.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Alright.
	If he started out with a one pound weight and he starts adding fish line to it... Right.
	Then the amount of weight down the hole increases.
	Alright, now, if he knows the weight of the line on a per foot basis, as he puts more weight down the hole, if he could measure the total strain on the top or load on the top of the line, he would know if any of that line was draped on anything.
	See the thing is, once he gets a fair amount of line down there... That's a good point.
	The one pound weight on the end is insignificant.
	And it could be hung up on something or laying on the bottom or something and he would never know it.
	Yeah, but he put lifesavers down 4,500 feet.
	So even if what you're saying is true, this is still by a long shot the deepest hole ever.
	Ever.
	Well, that assumes it's even that deep.
	The one thought that you had that I thought was very valid was the temperature as you go farther down into the ground.
	Oh, that's what they... I think that's right, isn't it?
	Oh, yes, of course.
	By the time it's down 4,000 feet in the ground, the temperature would probably be well over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
	If the 100... Well, the monofilament and the lead would certainly survive 100 degrees just fine.
	You're probably right.
	That is interesting.
	Mel, I say that we gotta put a person down there.
	A volunteer.
	Not a cat.
	No, not a cat.
	No cats.
	But a person, maybe like a media person.
	One of these anchors from maybe one of the Seattle Como stations or something.
	You know, lower them down.
	Oh boy.
	Again, I'm intrigued.
	I've been running line down there for quite a while and I don't think I've hit bottom.
	The weight seems to be hanging plumb over there.
	Like I said, we've been throwing things down there for a long, long, long, long time, and, you know, this hole has not filled up.
	I don't know, maybe it's getting incinerated down there, I don't know.
	Alright, and you would swear on all that is sacred to you that what you have told us is the absolute, unadulterated truth?
	That this is my hole, and this is the truth about it.
	God, that's an amazing story, Mel.
	Who else besides your wife, the people you've tried to talk to at the university and yourself, I guess your neighbors know about the hole?
	Oh, yeah.
	There's probably good... Oh, well, you know, in terms, you know, not families, but individuals, probably a good 20 people that use the hole regularly.
	To throw junk into?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's always been done.
	Well, I remember when I was a kid, I used to like to throw stuff Off bridges and stuff like that, and into holes, just injure it, hit bottom.
	Never hurt anything yet.
	I mean, if you hit the side, of course, but if you just drop it straight down.
	Straight down, yeah.
	Nine and a half feet to go straight.
	Nine and a half feet is certainly large enough so that if you got in the center and dropped it straight down, it would go straight down, right?
	Yeah, you can just, you know, lean right over there and get it going straight down.
	You know, and as far as anything I can see, you know, visually, you know, with, you know, halogens and flashlights, uh... The light just what?
	Fades away into blackness?
	You've got nothing after a while, you know.
	I mean, you can see as far as the beam will go and that's it.
	Does anybody have any theories about, you said a dog was thrown into the hole?
	Yeah.
	Dead.
	And then came back alive again, right?
	The story is the guy was out hunting and he saw his dog and he knew it was his dog because it was the same dog, it had the same collar, it had the same tag on it and the whole thing.
	Oh man, does anybody have any theories about what properties would be in the hole to Resurrect a canine?
	Gosh, I'd like to think that this is something really benign.
	I mean, cows have gone down there.
	I mean, I haven't heard any cows coming back, at least that you would know.
	But I don't... Well, it's not the creator.
	Well, look, we're out of time.
	Mel, you get the honors from near the hole in Washington State.
	From the whole, it is good night to everyone from coast to coast.
	And beyond.
	Thank you, Mel.
	Stay in touch.
	Stay in touch.
	From the high deserts to the cosmos out there.

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