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Feb. 11, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Joyce Murphy - Mysterious Infections

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be, across all these many, many time zones from the Hawaiian and Haitian Island chains, all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south, well into South America, as I just verified, north all the way to the pole, worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast Coast AM.
		Good morning.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Great to be here.
unidentified		And this is the program that does what others don't do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's almost anything else but O.J. Simpson tonight.
		I don't want to talk about O.J. Simpson, and so I'll just sort of lay that out for you up front.
		$33.5 billion.
		He'll never end up paying it.
		Simpson has said this is far from over, and that sounds like a threat to the American public.
		It's over as far as I'm concerned.
		I've got something else that I'm interested in.
		As you know, I'm just now back from vacation.
		It was a good one.
		I was in Mazatlan in Mexico, and there was going on there, as there is in New Orleans, their version of Carnival.
		And boy, I'll tell you what, those people throw some kind of party during Carnival in Mexico and throughout South America, as New Orleans does with Mardi Gras, South America does with what they call Carnival, and we had a blast.
		A lot of fun.
		So it's good to be back.
		Here I am.
		My mom is on the way to the airport right now, flying back to Long Island.
		And that was a very enjoyable visit.
		And so here we are, back on the air again, back in the saddle again.
		All right.
		Here's what's coming up first.
		You know, we're going to have some open lines tonight.
		But there are a couple of things.
		I received the following facts.
		I'll read it to you, and that's how this began, because you can imagine why I would be curious about this.
		It comes from somebody who signs himself a fellow seeker of truth only.
		In other words, anonymous.
		Dear Art Bell, I just heard a story that you and we, your listeners, might possibly be interested in.
		Several days ago in Jasper, Arkansas, elementary school children began dropping like flies near their gym with symptoms like radiation poisoning.
		Coaches and paramedics were also affected and those who later tended to the children away from the gym were also affected immediately.
		In total, 46 people have been seriously affected.
		Some early news of this was reported in the Harrison, Arkansas paper.
		But now there's suppression of news getting out of the area.
		The area is sealed off, and the Atlanta CDC is there.
		This information came, ostensibly, from an MD in Jasper in a call to Joyce Murphy of Beyond Boundaries.
		The MD was fearful, said he thought his phone was bugged, says most there are fearful of repercussions if they try to get the word of any of this to the outside.
		Are to get as close to the source as possible, I suggest you call Joyce Murphy at Beyond Boundaries down in Texas.
		And so I did exactly that.
		She is 70 miles from Dallas, Texas.
		And so coming up in a moment, we will talk to Joyce.
		And by the way, Beyond Boundaries is a quarterly, I guess it's quarterly.
		Yeah, quarterly.
		Well, January, February, maybe more than that.
		Beyond Boundaries is a newsletter, a pretty big newsletter, as a matter of fact, and it covers a lot more than what we're going to talk about this evening.
		Maybe we will touch on some of what else they do.
		They're all involved in UFOs and all the rest of it.
		But I really, really want to find what in the world is going on in Arkansas.
		Now, bear in mind, the facts that I've got here is anonymous.
		This medical doctor claims to be fearful.
		I have no way of knowing about the validity of this.
		We will find out more in a moment.
		All right, now we're going to Texas, down not far from Dallas, Texas.
		And we're going to speak to Joyce Murphy, who is involved with the Beyond Boundaries newsletter.
		Joyce, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Art.
unidentified		I'm glad to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you do for Beyond Boundaries?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you own it?
unidentified		I'm president of Beyond Boundaries.
		That'll do.
		Yeah, I'm in George of Research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CEO, huh?
unidentified		I suppose so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is Beyond Boundaries as a matter of interest?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of stories do you cover?
unidentified		Okay, we actually just cover current UFO phenomena all over the world, and we don't do very much in the United States, but we travel to places that are having current UFO flats and phenomenon, and we go right directly to the grassroots level, the people who are actually experiencing this phenomenon, the contactees, the experiencers, and we take small groups of people with us who are interested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have safaris?
unidentified		Expeditions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Expeditions.
unidentified		Yeah, not quite safaris, I don't think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess, you know, you never end up bagging one, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		now they have safaris, you know, where all they do is photograph big game.
unidentified		Yeah, photo safaris.
		Well, that's what we do.
		We photograph UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you are.
		So, similar in that way.
		All right, you heard me read the facts.
		Now, what the hell is going on in Arkansas?
unidentified		Well, as of today, I don't think anybody still, you know, has the answer, but last week, probably about the end of the week, this guy called me, and I'm not sure that he was an MD in Jasper, but somewhere in that area, because I hope there's more than one MD since he wants to be anonymous in Jasper.
		But anyway, he called, and he said that, asked me if I knew what was happening in that area.
		He knew that we were involved in UFO research, and somehow he thought this might involve a UFO.
		And, of course, I didn't know anything, but he said that sometime about a week before he called, a number of elementary school children just collapsed on the gym floor, and he said it was inside the school.
		Later, I heard that it might have been outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Collapse, you mean passed out?
unidentified		Just, yes, or became out of control or they couldn't stand any longer.
		I'm not sure they lost consciousness, but I think the symptoms involved breathing difficulties, maybe.
		Breathing.
		Yeah, and maybe some other things later, like they broke out in a horrible red rash and they had dry, scaly skin and all kinds of little things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how many children do you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many were involved?
unidentified		I don't know at that time.
unidentified		I'm going to guess probably 30, maybe, because later the number, the highest number I've heard so far has been about 57 total people involved in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's going up?
unidentified		Yeah, it's going up.
		It seems to be something that might have been, you know, life in the air at the time and got them, but later people that treated the children came down with the symptoms immediately.
		The hospital laundry that went out to a contractor two days later, the people in the laundry became sick.
		So it had to be on their skin and on their clothes and also maybe in the air when it got them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah, this is pretty scary.
unidentified		And the people are just really perplexed about it because there are no answers yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, all right.
		Wait, let's backtrack a little bit.
		What reports have there been of this?
		There was some sort of newspaper report?
unidentified		Yeah, I think there was probably more than one newspaper.
		There were several, every day there's been an article in, I believe, the Harrison newspaper.
		And then I talked to a leading researcher, UFO researcher, in Springfield, which is about 70 miles away, Springfield, Missouri.
		And she said it had been in the Springfield paper.
		But as far as anybody knew, it has never made any national news.
		And the people just can't believe that, you know, it's a huge problem and a huge situation to them, a serious situation.
		They can't believe that they think they're being neglected by national news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is a huge situation.
		It says the area is sealed off and the Atlanta CDC is there.
		Is that so?
unidentified		That's what I was told.
		And also a lot of military personnel.
		There's a lot of military flights in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Military.
unidentified		Military.
		And this is like an echo strip.
		They have done these biospheres or they planned them.
		It's like back in the Ozarks, and there's a whole strip of ecologically dedicated land that's all around that you can, you know, all kinds of things could happen back in there and nobody would know anything about it.
		It's a lot of wilderness.
		And so I don't know what that has to do with it.
		There's a lot of military traffic in the air, especially over this land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any observed military on the ground?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		That was my understanding that I'm only getting this from one person in the area and then another one in Springfield who verifies most of these facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far did the newspaper reports go in reporting the details that we've got here?
unidentified		This was all in the paper that I have, and they said that the possible causes were anything from a UFO to some strange disease.
		They ranged from a UFO to a strange disease.
		So from that, I assume that someone must have seen a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we will get to that.
		Is there a follow-up?
		Are these children now better?
unidentified		They're not, no one has died from it, and I don't know whether anybody is still in the hospital.
unidentified		Some, I understand, were hospitalized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So whatever it was, it took them to the ground.
unidentified		Yeah, it took them to the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then the follow-up to it was, there were breathing difficulties, then red rashes.
unidentified		I think the rash actually, you know, came, you know, a few hours later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few hours later.
unidentified		Yeah, and then the scaly skin.
unidentified		And I asked, the first thing I thought about, well, radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Burn.
unidentified		Hair loss, you know, but I haven't heard of hair loss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either radiation or a burn.
unidentified		Yeah, and some people, you know, everybody mentions Agent Orange, but I don't know what that, I don't really know the symptoms of that.
unidentified		I'm not a medical person myself at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems beyond reason to me that all of this, with the exception, you know, of the local media there, could be kept quiet.
unidentified		Yeah, that's really amazing, but I don't know if I haven't seen anything in the news.
unidentified		Have you or heard anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nary a word.
unidentified		And not on the internet.
unidentified		That's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Except for this facts.
		Now, something big is going on here, and they've still got the whole area sealed off.
		What have they done?
		Have they sealed off the entire school?
unidentified		They closed the school, but it reopened.
		And most of the, a lot of the parents, I don't know what percentage, but they did not send their kids back to school because there were no answers.
		And some of them just took their kids out of school and said they would homeschool them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame them.
		I don't blame them.
		I would too.
		And so the paramedics got sick.
		The people who then even came in contact with their clothing got sick.
unidentified		Who came in contact with the children, who treated the children, they got sick.
		And they had so many they had to, you know, take them to different places.
		I don't know that area, but I imagine one hospital would be about right for the size town I think it is.
		And so when they got all of the emergency cases they could handle, well, then they started going to the emergency medical centers and places like that, you know, nearby ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this doesn't make sense in the sense that this should have been in the national media.
		Absolutely.
		Anytime school children en masse are affected like this, that's a big story.
		And I don't know how they could keep that quiet.
unidentified		Well, I don't either, because it would be at least a human interest story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, at the very least.
unidentified		Yeah, leave the UFO out of it.
unidentified		It would still be interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you know, what about the UFO?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, where and how does that enter the picture?
unidentified		Well, that's what I would like to know.
unidentified		And I've been very busy trying to get an expedition off, and I haven't had time to really check this out, but it was mentioned in the paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was mentioned.
unidentified		It was mentioned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		As a range, you know, like a.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that must mean there was a sighting.
unidentified		Yeah, so there must, it implied that someone had seen a UFO because it says that the causes, possible causes ranged from a UFO to a mysterious illness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, this is fascinating.
		I'm trying to figure out, well, I'll tell you one way we can follow up.
		Let me open a line east of the Rockies, I believe, for Arkansas, for anybody who knows anything about this right now, okay?
		That's 1-800-825-5033.
		If you're in Arkansas or you know about this story and can help us, this is just too bizarre.
		Something that would affect that many people.
		That would imply that it wasn't just in the air, but that it was latent on the clothing or that it was a virus.
		And I suppose we don't have the first idea whether it was bacteriological virus or something altogether, we just don't know.
		Is that right?
unidentified		Well, that's right.
unidentified		It would have to be a very strange, fast-acting one for everybody to collapse at the same moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much confidence do you have that this story is real?
unidentified		Well, I have met the person who actually called me one time, and, you know, he seemed very credible.
		And then I did back it up by calling, you know, a very trusted researcher, Susan Bedell.
		And she said, yes, it had been in all of the local papers.
		And that, and she told me the very same story that he had told me.
		So this has all been in the paper.
		So I would assume that, you know, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is the kind of thing the Associated Press or Reuters or one of them would absolutely jump on.
		And I maintain a close relationship with the news services, and I haven't seen one word, not one word.
		And that just seems totally beyond reason.
		Let's quickly see if we can find somebody in that area.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Joyce Murphy and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		I live in Little Rock, Missouri.
unidentified		And I heard on the ABC affiliate here in Little Rock about the sickness up there in Jasper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And it sounded like spring fever to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spring fever?
unidentified		One kid comes down with a headache.
		He goes home.
		Everybody else says, I have a headache too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know what you're talking about.
unidentified		It was a nice Friday afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but how, sir, would that affect the workers, the emergency people who come, and then the people who even come in contact with the clothing of the children?
unidentified		I never heard anything about that.
		All I heard was all these kids up there in the school coming down sick, and I got to go home.
		And I didn't hear anything else about emergency personnel coming down sick or anything else or anybody checking into the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Let's state health department went up there and they were doing some checking on the playground and the schools and all that stuff to see if they could come up with anything.
		And that's a pretty remote, desolate area from any military facilities.
		It's national park area, national river.
		There's canoeists and hikers and people up there all the time.
		And nobody else has ever complained of any sickness besides those school kids.
		I just think that one kid went home and everybody else wanted to also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, spring fever.
		Interesting idea.
		Joyce, how would you react to that?
		He says just spring fever.
unidentified		Well, that can happen.
		I've been a teacher.
		I know they can pull that trick.
		But if this has been in the paper about all these other people getting sick, well, then I would begin to think, well, maybe there's something to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's see what we can find out.
		Opening lines to that area.
		Joyce, stand by.
		We'll be right back to you.
		I'm Marth Bell.
		is CBC.
unidentified		Ooh, and it's all right, it's coming home.
		They gotta get right back to where we've started calling.
		Love is good, does when you come.
		They gotta get right back to where we've started calling.
		I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get it.
		When you first take my way, I don't want to take your place.
		Get her together.
		Why the little things I say Why the little things I say
		Call Art Bell, toll-free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something strange is going on in Jasper, Arkansas.
		Spring fever?
		Well, suggested by one caller, but I don't think so.
		Now, I've got an Associated Press story here, and I will give you the essence of it.
		And we've got a caller from Jasper, Arkansas on the line coming up.
		And by the way, folks, Joyce Murphy of Beyond Boundaries newsletter has a website up.
		And yes, of course, Quick Draw Keith has already got it up there.
		So if you want to go up to my website and go see what Beyond Boundaries is all about, and it's about UFOs, fascinating sites, it's there for the Lincoln right now.
		All you've got to do is go up there and you'll see it right at the top of my website.
		My website is www.artbell.com.
		That's www.artbell altogether, A-R-T-B-E-L-L dot com.
		All right.
		Now, back to Joyce Murphy of Beyond Boundaries.
		Joyce, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I think that I've got somebody from Jasper, Arkansas.
		That's the value of talk radio that is nationwide.
		Hi there.
		Are you in Jasper?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be doggone.
		I would have gone a long time before I figured we could get a call from Jasper, but there you are.
		What is your first name?
unidentified		Patty.
		Patty?
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's going on in Jasper, Patty?
unidentified		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it spring fever?
unidentified		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Kids are sick.
unidentified		My kid's still not in school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, of the original incident, Patty, did the description that Joyce gave and I gave sound about right?
unidentified		Close.
		What happened was it wasn't just a headache.
		Kids came running from the playground to the gym, which is open during recess time.
		And there was like five kids that were laying on the floor holding their heads, saying their heads hurt, and it felt like the brains were coming out.
		It was a very intense headache.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
unidentified		And then by the time the principal had called for medical assistance, by the time he came back, there was five or six more kids down.
unidentified		They started taking them from the school to the local clinic here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And the clinic got so full that they were putting them on buses and taking them over.
		And then they started transporting them to the emergency room in Harrison.
		There was 45 kids total.
		Started with the headache, then they broke out in a rash, and then breathing difficulties.
		Seven of them were hospitalized in ICU.
		Two paramedics went down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two paramedics went down.
unidentified		From dealing with the kids.
		An emergency room personnel got symptoms.
		One paramedic was in ICU, and one was released.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many children do you have?
unidentified		I just have one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was your child affected?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you made a decision then to keep your child out of school?
unidentified		Well, most the school had been closed down for four days when they were doing all the tests, and they called a meeting at the school.
		And of course we went, and they didn't have any answers for anyone.
		They didn't know what happened or what caused it.
		All they said was they assured us that it was gone, but they didn't know what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who assured you it was gone?
		Who was at the meeting?
		What official showed up to explain all that?
unidentified		Dr. Nichols from Little Rock.
		She's the head of the health department there.
		Yes.
		She pretty much ran the investigation and the superintendent of schools and several other people were there.
		And they said they'd went over the entire playground and the school and they couldn't find anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I guess the thinking is that this occurred, whatever it occurred, or whatever it was, occurred on the playground or near it?
unidentified		On the playground.
		They pretty much isolated the spot, I guess, where it happened, but they don't know what happened.
		There's an unknown compound found in urine and blood samples of the children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		But they don't know what to test for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An unknown compound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's mysterious.
unidentified		But they don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the presence of any military in the area?
unidentified		There were rumors that a low-flying plane had went over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		There were rumors that maybe some sort of truck drove by.
unidentified		There's been lots of speculation, but nobody knows for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there still any areas in Jasper sealed off?
unidentified		No, not at this time.
		There's still meetings happening.
		There was a meeting tonight, Tuesday night.
		There was a meeting in Harrison at the high school there.
		Some sort of parents' advocacy group, I guess, is getting together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Worried, concerned?
unidentified		Very, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were there any apparently there was some mention of in the range of possibilities a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has there been a UFO sighting in that area or anything of that sort other than light planes, that kind of thing?
unidentified		You know, I'm not real sure.
		It's real hard out here.
		You know, a lot of us aren't right in town.
		The town's really, really tiny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big is Jasper?
unidentified		Jasper itself, I think there's 300 people within the town of Jasper, and then there's lots of little surrounding areas.
unidentified		But you're out on dirt roads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you in the state of Arkansas roughly compared to a place we would know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Little Rock, for example.
unidentified		North of Little Rock.
unidentified		We're 30 miles from Harrison, which is right almost on the border of Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I really, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your calling.
		Is there anything else you want to add at all since you are there?
unidentified		Oh, we're 90 miles north of Little Rock.
		All right.
		Just that it's real strange.
		It came, and people are scared.
		They don't know if it's going to happen again.
		Nobody knows what's going on.
		Nobody has any answers for any of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once they found a, quote, unknown compound, you would think the CDC, have they been there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
unidentified		They haven't said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They haven't said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might not say.
unidentified		They're not really telling us a whole lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that, what's that creating in the area?
		I would be kind of angry.
		I would want to know.
unidentified		Most people, the general idea is that it was some sort of chemical agent and that a lot of people feel that they know what happened or that they have some real good idea and they're not telling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, people in the area think the officials know what it is and they're keeping their mouths shut.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		That's the general feeling here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on behalf of Joyce Murphy and myself, I really want to thank you for calling in.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Two times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		There you have it.
		Jasper, Arkansas, Joyce.
unidentified		That's really scary, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not spring fever.
unidentified		Ooh, I wonder why the guy 90 miles away in Little Rock would, you know, how would he know what it was other than just reading the paper?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, he didn't.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is the answer.
unidentified		Well, you know, they'll pull things like that.
		I've raised kids, and I've, you know, taught school, but I don't think so.
		That headache would have really scared me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there could be some sort of group psychological thing, but now that they have found an unknown compound in their blood and urine samples, obviously it was real.
		Something really occurred there.
		And I hate to even suggest this, Joyce.
		I don't know if you're familiar, whether you listen to the show or not, but there occasionally are.
unidentified		We don't get it very easily here.
unidentified		I have to go to real audio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		There's a U.S. Title Code 50 that allows the U.S. government something like 30 days notification to experiment chemically or biologically on American citizens.
		And I'm not saying that's what this was, because I have no way of knowing.
		It's just a wild guess.
		And then there's, of course, the question of the UFO as well.
unidentified		Yeah.
		There's one more suggestion, too, that I've had since I've sort of been discussing this.
		Back in the 50s or 40s or somewhere way back here, and this school I think was pretty old, maybe built in the 50s, according to my source.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They had some problems with landfill.
		They had some waste disposals that were not quite legal.
		And a lot of schools, I understand, ended up being built on these sites that were wasteless, buried illegally.
		But that day was totally dry.
		There was no rain, and I don't think there had been any for quite a while.
		So nothing was oozing up out of the ground or anything like that.
		But that was just another theory that someone had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, really bizarre stuff.
		All right.
		Here's an Associated Press report.
		Let me read you part of this.
		In elementary school in Jasper, it says, I'm not sure the date of this, will stay closed for at least one more day while officials scurry to try to find out what happened to 45 of its students who got sick.
		After spending a noon recess on the school's playground on Friday, the fifth and sixth graders developed fatigue, a rash, nausea, headaches, and had difficulty in breathing.
		That's quite a set of symptoms.
		Seven students were admitted to a Harrison hospital for observation.
		Three emergency workers who came in contact with the students were treated.
		One of them was hospitalized.
		The school closed that afternoon.
		And that is the Associated Press, Joyce.
		So obviously, not spring fever.
		Obviously, something really did occur there.
		Maybe it'll remain a mystery.
		I guess I would ask you, Joyce, you're dealing with UFOs and I'm sure delving into the government cover-up business and all the rest of it.
		If the authorities knew what this was, and frankly, I'm with the caller from Jasper.
		I think they know too.
		But if they knew, would they tell us?
unidentified		No, why should they?
unidentified		It's easier to cut, just not say anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's over.
		It's gone.
		Forget about it.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think our government is the best government in the world, and I love my passport, and I love my country.
unidentified		But no, they would keep it quiet for 40 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think you're probably right, at least 40 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then some future cabinet member of some future president's administration would come forward and admit it when it didn't matter anymore.
unidentified		Right, when these kids are grandparents, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some future Hazel O'Leary.
		Joyce, I was just in Mexico.
		I didn't see any UFOs.
		I know, I know.
		But there's a lot of activity in Mexico, tremendous amount.
		I'm getting all kinds of calls about crazy things going on in Mexico and Central and South America.
		And I know that you're going down there shortly.
		What is going on down there?
unidentified		Well, in Mexico, you know, it's really been pretty much ongoing ever since the solar eclipse in 1991.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's just a lot of activity.
		The plasma craft, for example, comes back to Tapos Line every time the Pleiades, you know, the star system of Pleiades lines up in a certain way with the Earth.
		And we were there in October with a group and also with a TV show.
		And we were fortunate enough to actually film, not the plasma craft, but we got a dog bone-shaped or a cylinder-shaped craft that we filmed actually by the volcano from a very far distance away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where exactly?
unidentified		At Medepec at Lusco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
unidentified		That is in the state of Puebla, and it's right next to the, we were standing right at the foot of the volcano, Mount Popo Catepeto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the volcano was burping and vusting and smoking, and it had a yellow alert, but we went, it was not, we were not in danger.
		But anyway, it may go off at any time.
		And some of the people down there believe that the UFOs are actually stopping that volcano from erupting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And there's so much activity, in fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not tossing virgins in.
unidentified		Well, I think they may still have a few down there, but I don't think they're tossing them in.
		But anyway, one of the abductees, in fact, I guess she's about 16 or 17 years old.
		She's a contactee.
		They're not abductees down there.
		They're very fortunate contactees because they consider these beings, you know, kind of angelic.
		They're not anything bad or to be dreaded.
		But she told us that her friends were going to come by and say hello at about 9.30 that evening.
		And now picture this.
		How could we be any more fortunate?
		I mean, here I am with a TV crew, cameras set up, the beta cameras rolling.
		I have an expedition group of probably about 10 or 12 people besides the TV producer.
		And at 9.30, here comes a big golden glow, a yellow light just right along the edge of the hill, very slowly.
		Just huge.
		And it comes across just very slowly, too slow to be an aircraft.
		It goes out over the valley.
		It stops.
		And then it turns and it comes right toward us.
		There it is, 9.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're getting all of this on film.
unidentified		We got it on film.
		We certainly did.
		And you can't imagine the excitement.
		After we sort of got over it, the cameraman had a cellular phone, so we just about killed him over his phone, and we called everybody we could think of in the United States.
		Well, you have since seen the video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How definitive is the video?
unidentified		Well, it shows the lights.
		Jim De La Cosa actually analyzed it and said that it was a very large something, barbell shape or dog bone shape, very far out in space.
		It was much further away than we thought.
		And it shows the lights splitting and separating and then coming back together.
		You can't really see the definitive shape.
		We had some very good night vision equipment, but even the person who ran off with the night vision equipment at the time had her own private sighting so that she really couldn't see the definitive shape, you know, seeing a barbell.
		So that was sort of a surprise.
		But it was dark, and, you know, at night, when you see lights, you really can't tell a lot of times, you know, what shape you have.
		But we knew it was definitely not an aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think the relationship to the UFO sightings on such an almost scheduled basis in the volcano is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, there are people down there who have actual photos and videos of these saucers going down into the volcano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into the volcano.
unidentified		Into the volcano.
		And now they may be full of virgins, I don't know, but they're going into the volcano, and people actually feel that they're there to help them.
		So possibly they are.
		The thing has almost erupted many times, and it hasn't quite done it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I get the warnings, you know, and it comes right up to the edge where they're ready to say it's going to blow.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And then it doesn't.
		Yeah, December the 29th, I think it threw out some giant red-hot folders, you know, bright red, and they really thought it was going that time, but didn't quite make it.
		But we're going to be there next week.
		We're going down actually Saturday, and we have a group of Australians coming in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To Costa Rica?
unidentified		We're going down to Mexico first.
		Mexico?
		Yeah, and we're going to go down to Pepos Lawn and check on the plasma craft and then back around to the state of Puebla near the volcano and we'll check on the activity there and we'll do some investigating a couple days in Mexico City and meet with people who are having current experiences, very current like last week, yesterday, and tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what I hear.
		I hear that UFO sightings in Mexico City and around it are so frequent that the people are blasé about it.
		They just, it's like an everyday occurrence at this point.
		There's so much of it going on.
		Is that true?
unidentified		That's true.
		Everybody, everywhere, has seen something at some time.
		And they have, as you've probably heard, the group of vigilantes, this group of young people.
		And they usually meet with us.
		And they always have new videos and they keep a camera with them all the time because they have so many sightings.
		And it's their hobby, their job to film, to record everything they see.
		And there's one man down there that we're going to see this time that actually has 1,500 captures of something either on videotape or just a still camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen quite a bit of video of the Things flying about near Mexico City, and it is fairly definitive.
		You know, it's very clear.
		As a matter of fact, I've heard that aircraft going in and out of the International Airport there have had near collisions with these objects.
unidentified		Almost daily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost daily?
unidentified		Yeah, we're going to talk with some air traffic controllers also who it's not anything that's a shame or anything to report this.
		I mean, they report it freely, so it's not anything that they're doing against their job or anything.
		But they see them almost daily over the airport, and that's a very busy airport.
		So I'm sure there are a lot of near collisions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why isn't there more news about all of that?
		I mean, we're having near collisions with F-16s off the East Coast and elsewhere, and that's all over the news.
		But you have near collisions with UFOs in Mexico, and in America, you don't even hear a word about it unless you listen to this program.
		Listen, hang on, Joyce.
		We'll do some more.
		It's top of the hour, and my guest is Joyce Murphy from Beyond Boundaries.
		We've got a link to her website at www.artbell.com.
		Take a look.
unidentified		Take a look.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning, everybody.
		We are tracking a very strange story, naturally.
		I'm just back from vacation.
		I've got Joyce Murphy from Beyond Boundaries newsletter online with me, and I'll tell you why in a moment.
		There's something very, very strange going on in Arkansas, and we'll talk a bit more about that.
		I have a Title 50, War and National Defense, Chapter 32, Chemical and Biological Warfare Program, with me at 1520.
		I'll read part of that in a moment.
		I wonder if that's what might have occurred in Jasper, Arkansas.
		Anyway, it certainly was not just spring fever.
		So we'll get back to Joyce Murphy, and we're talking about that much more, but I want to update those who join at this hour on this story.
		It's really, really bizarre.
		Well, all right.
		For those of you who just joined us, something very strange is going on in Arkansas, a place called Jasper, Arkansas, and I received the following.
		Art, several days ago in Jasper, elementary school children began dropping like flies near their gym with symptoms like radiation poisoning.
		Coaches and paramedics were also affected.
		Those who later tended to the children away from the gym were also affected immediately.
		All told now, over 50 have been seriously affected.
		Some early news of this reported in the Harrison, Arkansas paper, but now there is a suppression of news getting out of the area.
		The area is sealed off.
		The Atlanta CDC is there.
		Well, we cannot confirm the CDC.
		This information came from an MD in or near Jasper in a call to Joyce Murphy of Beyond Boundaries.
		The MD was fearful, said his phone was bugged, said that there are fearful of some sort of repercussion if they try to get word of this to the outside.
		Now, I contacted Joyce Murphy right away.
		She confirmed as best she could the details you just heard.
		We just talked to somebody in Jasper who also confirmed the essential details of this story.
		Have you heard about it before?
		Yes, there was one Associated Press story.
		I've got it here.
		But no follow-up.
		The other interesting aspect, this apparently affected the children while they were on the playground.
		And the effects of it were then felt, some very serious effects, as a matter of fact, when they got back inside the school and they began dropping.
		Now, something very serious occurred in Jasper.
		They don't know what.
		According to the caller from Jasper, there has been some sort of compound, was the word she used, detected in their urine and blood.
		That's all we know.
		Let me read you U.S. Code 50, A portion of it, 1520.
		Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by the Department of Defense, accounting to congressional committees with respect to experiments and studies, notification of local civilian officials.
		Here we go.
		Listen to this: A. Not later than 30 days after final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense, whether directly or under contract involving the use of human subjects for the testing of chemical or biological agents.
		The Secretary of Defense shall supply the Committees on the Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives with a full accounting of such plans for such experiment or study, and such experiment or study may then be conducted only after the expiration of the 30-day period beginning on the date such accounting is received by such committees.
		Well, your eyes could glaze over listening to that, I'm sure.
		But what it boils down to is they can experiment on American civilians with chemical or biological stuff as long as they notify some unspecified local civilian officials and give them 30 days notice.
		Now, I'm not saying that's what occurred in Jasper.
		I'm just reminding you that this U.S. code is real.
		Copies in my hand.
		We had a link so that you could see it to one of the major university law libraries.
		I think it was Cornell.
		And that was up on the website as well.
		So there you've got it.
		That catches you up, I believe.
		Here once again is Joyce Murphy.
		Joyce?
		Yes.
		We've got some people here who would like to comment again on this Jasper story.
		Do you believe that U.S. Title 50 business, isn't that amazing?
unidentified		Well, that's just terrible.
		I don't want to hear that.
		I'm going to take my grandchildren and go somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		In a hole, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a hole.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Joyce Murphy.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Bob from Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		I wish to interject something in the conversation here.
		Firewood.
		I recall in my past readings that the town of Pine Bluff, Arkansas, I believe there is an Army base there.
		I know this town has a history of military history of storage and or manufacture, possible manufacture of biological and or chemical weapons.
		Maybe you should get a caller from Pine Bluff to confirm if this military base is still in operation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's my suggestion.
		We can certainly try and do that, and it's as good a bit of speculation as anybody else's, so I thank you.
unidentified		You are welcome, sir, and welcome back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		It's good to be back.
		So there you have it.
		Jasper, Arkansas, something very strange going on.
		And if you would, Joyce, for the people who just joined us, again, beginning some days ago, the children came in from playground, collapsed, literally, on the gym floor, complaining of symptoms of what?
unidentified		A really bad headache that led to a rash.
		I'm not sure what order, but I think the headache was first.
		And they were feeling very tired, I believe, was one of the symptoms, and lethargic, I think, and then had breathing difficulties later and broke out in a rash, a really bad rash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A really bad rash.
		And some were taken to the hospital.
		The emergency workers who came in contact with them also got sick.
		And then those who came in contact with only their clothing got sick.
unidentified		Two days later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, two days later.
unidentified		Two days later, the laundry contractor for, I don't know whether it was the Harrison, the hospital's obviously in Harrison, I believe, and they're only medical clinics in Jasper because it's a really small town.
unidentified		But it was two days later, and the laundry was done, and they became sick, or at least, you know, somebody did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something is definitely rotten in Arkansas.
		And the lady who called from Jasper said they've been having concerned adults meeting about this, and they've been not getting what they considered to be any sort of sufficient explanation of what this could have been at all.
		It is interesting to hear about the compound, the mysterious compound, whatever in the heck that was.
		I can tell you this, if I lived in Jasper, I don't think my son would be going to that school until I knew what the hell was going on.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Joyce Murphy.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Joyce.
		Hi.
		Ken from Scottsdale, Arizona.
		Yes, sir.
		There's a few things that jump into my mind right away.
		First thing I wanted to know was what day of the week was it, a Monday, a Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know, Joyce?
unidentified		No, I don't know the day.
		I got the call at the end of last week, and then he said it was possibly the week before.
		It had been, you know, four or five days, I think, before that.
		So definitely a Monday through a Friday, but I don't know which one.
		Okay, well, the reason I was asking was, you know, was this the first time the playground facility had been used that day?
		Do you see where I'm going with this?
		Yeah.
		Could they have, you know, the first, they'd come in on a Monday, and the first time they go out there on a Monday, they get sick.
		Or else they're already in school, it's the middle of the week, and they go out, they have their lunch break, having already been out there two or three times for PE, you know, and there would have been other indications of illnesses.
		Like, you know, out there during their PE exercises, there would be certain breaking out of illnesses, that type of thing.
		There would be indications in that direction.
		So it's kind of, I'm kind of curious as to what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all are, sir.
		I thank you for the call.
		One thing I think we could follow up on, I'm not sure they would tell us, but if there was an actual mysterious compound found in their urine and blood, then obviously at some point, I would think the CDC would absolutely be involved.
		And if not, until they identified what this was, I would be very shocked.
		And if they're not involved, I guess I would want to ask, why not?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy and Art Bell.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm calling from Jasper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jasper, another call from Jasper?
unidentified		Yep, I'm the second person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, would you be the only one?
		Sir, sir.
		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, sir.
		Wait, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then we can have a good conversation here.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess he's going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Alan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alan.
		All right, Alan.
		What can you tell us?
unidentified		Well, I think the other caller pretty much covered everything with regards to what the local officials are telling people.
		But I wanted to refute some of the things that were being said with regards to a military presence here.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, she said that there had been, all she said was there had been rumors of military aircraft.
unidentified		Well, the students reported seeing a jet fly over the school.
unidentified		That was said by several students.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A jet.
unidentified		Right, but there have not been any military air, you know, there haven't been any ground troops or anything like that in the area.
unidentified		There hasn't been any military activity other than a jet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, when did they see that jet with respect to when they began to get sick?
unidentified		Prior to going back into the school, into the gym.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when they were out on the playground, which is when we believe whatever it was occurred occurred.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's when they saw the jet.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and it flew right overhead?
unidentified		Um...
		I would...
		You know, I mean, you don't have a broad range of view of the sky.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		But there weren't any troops here.
unidentified		The other thing I want to talk about or mention is that this is a center of anti-government activity that stems from the takeover of property some 20, 30 years back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But those anti-government people generally don't fly jets.
unidentified		No, but it can result in many rumors being spread.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, with regard to the military that kind of thing.
unidentified		Right.
		People saying, well, it was the government that did this.
		And there definitely have not been any reports of any UFOs.
		All right, I was told that there were helicopters that had come in.
		There, no, no helicopters were reported.
		At least I haven't heard of any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, had you heard the report of the jet?
unidentified		No, I had not heard the jet, but I had heard that helicopters had come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alan, do you have children in that school?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you did, what would be your inclination now?
unidentified		I'd send them back to school.
unidentified		I wouldn't have a problem sending them back to school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're pretty sure that whatever it was, it is no more?
unidentified		Yes, I feel safe with that opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, the lady who called, I'm sure you heard it, said that she was not satisfied with regard to what she was being told about what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel the same way?
unidentified		Well, something happened, and it could have been something that the school did.
		It could have been insecticide spraying, or it could have been something in the area locally that the local officials were responsible for.
		I'm like a lot of people, I don't trust the government.
		They like to cover themselves, and it could very well have been something of that nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, the lady said that they had identified some unknown compound, I think was the word she used, in their blood and urine.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		So I'm being told on their clothing also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On their clothing as well.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And later on the linens in the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if there was some sort of insecticide fairly common in agricultural use, you would think they would have easily identified that.
unidentified		Well, I would think almost any compound could be easily identified, which is why I'm skeptical that they don't know what it was.
unidentified		I mean, you know, we're pretty sophisticated these days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So something very strange occurred there, whatever it was.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		When you have 35, 40 kids fall out, and then the medical people come in and they fall out, something is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alan, we really appreciate your call.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		So there you are, Joyce.
		You know, the more I hear about this, the more it's tending to confirm that something really, really weird occurred there in Jasper.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, this is the kind of story that you hear about almost as an urban legend, unless you have the resources that I've got to pick off people in this little bitty town in Arkansas and get the truth, as we apparently now are getting, you're going to have other people who are going to call up, like the guy from Little Rock, and they're going to say, ah, it was just a bunch of kids screwing off.
unidentified		Yeah, spring fever, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spring fever, that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously something very, very serious occurred there.
unidentified		It's not a spring yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we follow up on this, do you think, Joyce?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody somewhere has got to be looking into what this so-called compound is in their blood.
unidentified		Right.
		Somebody knows, too, what it is.
		So that's the, you know, I don't know whether knowing would help us any now, but I think the people involved certainly have, you know, their children.
		I mean, anything that involves their children, they have the right to know what it is, if anybody knows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard, Joyce, of anything else like this?
		There was, of course, that lady in Southern California who died, whose body gave off very deadly fumes, put people in the hospital, emergency workers, doctors, that kind of thing.
		Have you heard of anything else like this incident in Arkansas?
unidentified		Not really.
		I just heard, you know, like the Azotame scare where everybody turns into formaldehyde and stuff like that.
		But I've never heard of, you know, kids dropping like this unless it's something right there in the air that's gassed them or it's, you know, and then being on their clothing too.
		That's really strange.
		It's usually one or the other, I would think.
		And no virus or bacteria.
		I'm not a medical person, but I think I have enough sense to know that it doesn't make everybody sick at the same time because people's bodies react differently, you know, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Billy from Lowry, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know what date it was that we first started hearing the reports out at Springfield about the kids, but on the morning of the 23rd of January, my brother and I were outside seeing if we could spot the space shuttle before it landed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we saw what we thought was a meteor heading north to south, and it seemed to be heading in the direction of Arkansas.
		And this was like two days before the report on the ball that fell in Texas.
		And that same night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's kind of a long shot, but look, I appreciate the report, sir.
		And Joyce, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		We're going to discuss a little more about some of the UFO work that Joyce does in conjunction with Beyond Boundaries.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		Well, stranger and stranger, whatever happened in Jasper, Arkansas definitely occurred.
		A lot of people got sick for an unknown reason.
		You're not hearing about it anywhere else, so I thought we'd air it here and see what we could dig up.
		My guest is Joyce Murphy, and as long as I've got her on the line, we're going to ask her some other questions as we began to last hour.
unidentified		But this is a puzzle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Joyce Murphy of Beyond Boundaries newsletter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Joyce, how frequently does this come out?
unidentified		It comes out every other month, so it's actually six times a year.
		And the information is very fresh.
		We go out and cover these stories ourselves, and so we bring the news back and share it immediately as fast as we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And most of it relates to UFOs?
unidentified		Yes, it's all UFO-related phenomenon.
unidentified		We don't research anything else, just UFO-related phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you actually take field trips.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you go to Mexico?
unidentified		Oh, yes, we go really all over the world.
		We're going out Saturday to Mexico with a group of people who are coming from Australia, all the way from Australia.
		And then we have some more people who are joining them.
		We usually take about 12 people, which is a nice Size group, and then the group actually goes around and investigates and works with the people who are having contact and experiences with UFO, with crafts, with beings.
		We hear of a story.
		We work with researchers in each country that we go into, and they give us leads on stories and usually actually even go out with us.
		And these are incidences that have happened like in the past six months or less.
		Some of them like yesterday or last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you've got some remarkable video of a UFO sighted near a volcano in Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long ago was that?
unidentified		This was in October of 96.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have you done with that video?
unidentified		What have we done with it?
		We're probably going to package it and sell it.
		Strange Universe actually had it on their TV show.
		They went with us, and they had the Mex Files.
		That was our expedition that was found, the Mex Files.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea, this is what I meant to ask, why Mexico?
unidentified		Why Mexico?
unidentified		Because, well, it's not quite as expensive to go to Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, I don't mean from an expedition point of view.
		I mean, why so many...
		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, there is a theory, and this is kind of interesting, and we have one person who actually tells us about this when we go down there with an interpreter.
		But the ancient pyramids that are in Mexico, you know, they're all over the place.
		I don't know really any here in the United States.
		So Mexico may be kind of unique, you know, in this respect.
		But they're actually joined, or they're setting at intersections of ley lines.
		You know, the Earth energy grid?
		Yes.
		You know what ley lines are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know about the energy grids or vortexes, whatever they're called.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		And where these ley lines cross, some of the ancient peoples of Mexico, you know, recognized this earth energy that we've kind of lost our ability to feel unless we learned to douse or do something like that.
		But they were more sensitive, and they felt this energy actually from the earth.
		And the pyramids were built on the intersections of these ley lines.
		And then later, the churches came in, and I guess they liked the way it felt or something, but they built the churches on top of the pyramids.
		And then the UFOs seemed to draw maybe some of their propulsion energy or whatever from these ley lines.
		They follow these lines, actually.
		And the ancient sites have a lot to do with actually drawing UFO activity.
		And there are, I don't know how many quartz crystal areas there are in Mexico, but a lot of people believe that UFOs are coming in search of quartz crystal.
		Actually, Arkansas area is very rich in quartz, and there are a lot of UFO sightings we were talking about earlier.
		A lot of the people don't like to talk about it, I don't think.
		In Arkansas, and they're actually coming after the quartz crystal.
		So Mexico, maybe the ley lines and the ancient vortexes and the energy spots, you know, it could be something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Joyce, you know, in that area and throughout similar parts of the U.S., you're in the middle of the Bible Belt.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of Bible Belt people don't want to talk about those things.
		As far as they're concerned, UFOs equal the devil or something satanic.
		And they just don't want to talk about those kinds of things.
		So they don't.
		Even if they see them, they don't talk about them.
unidentified		Well, of course, the Bible mentions a lot of phenomenon that's really, I think, UFO-related.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wheels within wheels, that kind of thing.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, but I don't think it says, you know, Ezekiel traveled in a UFO or something like that.
unidentified		I don't think it comes out and says that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and if it did, then there wouldn't be the problem in talking about it.
		I guarantee UFO equals demonic something or another to a lot of people in this country, Joyce.
		And so if there is a lot of activity there, that's why you might not hear a lot about it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm Mark from Wichita, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mark.
unidentified		Just wanted to make a comment.
		I hope them kids aren't being affected by HAARP, for one.
		You know, I doubt it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I doubt it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I doubt that HAARP could be that specific geographically.
unidentified		Yeah, no.
unidentified		But I just hope that they get well, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do, too.
		And as far as I understand, or I guess, I guess they are getting well.
		Now, we're having a hard time getting follow-up information so far.
		I don't know how we would do it.
		Somebody mentioned the CDC.
		Nobody has confirmed the CDC is there.
		But, you know, it occurred to me that if they're not, they should be.
		Seems to me they should be.
		At any rate, onward, west of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, my name is Jose, and I was born in Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jose.
unidentified		So I know a little about these things.
		UFO.
		And since 1968, they are familiar to the Mexican population that it's so easy to, somebody says, oh, I saw a new one.
		Oh, okay, good.
		We saw it two days ago, another one.
		And north of Mexico, there is a place called Teretaro.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		North of Mexico City?
unidentified		Yes, north of Mexico City.
		This is a rock, much like the one on the movie Glove Encounters.
		Yes.
		Do you remember that rock?
		The tall rock that...
		And for many years, the locals, they say they have seen lights coming out at night and taking off and landing and everything else.
		I'm talking 20 years ago.
		So there is much activity in Mexico.
		And about religion, well, Mexico is a very religious place, you know, Catholics, 90% of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Catholic, yes.
unidentified		But there is, you don't hear that satanic thing about Ufus because nobody knows what it's all about.
		So some new religions are saying that in the Bible that God created men to his likeness or something like that.
		And they are not like us, so they are not good.
		That's what they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand what they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that typical, that man, of the people that you talk to in Mexico?
unidentified		Yes, and I love the Mexican people.
		They're so real.
		Why couldn't these be angels instead of demons?
		Well, they could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess they could.
unidentified		Why do we have to think bad that they're demons?
		Couldn't they just as easily be angels?
		They've been, in many cases, they've come to heal people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could be.
		And I've got to be honest with you, Joyce.
		We talked many times with many people.
		As a matter of fact, Whitley Striber, who's going to be here tomorrow night, about whether these are good guys or bad guys.
		And most people hope that they're good guys.
		But I think it's about 50-50, Joyce.
unidentified		Yeah, there's bad ones out there, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just, I'm unconvinced one way or the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy and Arpell.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		My name is Blair.
		I live in Little Rock, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Have lived here all or most of my life.
		Was born and raised here.
		And I got a list in both artillery ranging from Pine Bluff Arsenal that was brought up earlier to not the exact site, but numeral sites,
		rocket silos, and a short story of an army friend of mine that used to go vigilant ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
unidentified		Yeah, just a little tip that it's added to this arsenal of information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, had you heard about this business in Jasper?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I have.
unidentified		I've seen three newscasts about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three newscasts about it, huh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Two on Channel 7, which is ABC, and one on Channel 11, which is CBS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would assume those are the local network affiliates there in Little Rock.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call and the information.
		I'm going to try and figure out how to follow up on this.
		And anybody out there with information on this, please contact me by email, Joyce by...
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		My address is JMurphy, M-U-R-P-H-Y at on-RAMP, O-N-R-A-M-T dot net, N-E-T.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I presume also that they can send email at your website.
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've got a link up there right now to your website.
unidentified		Okay, well, I have three websites.
unidentified		I hope we have the right one here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have three websites?
unidentified		Yes, two of them I would like to dump, but I don't know how to do it.
unidentified		So one I keep up, and I think that's probably the one you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, once you have created a website, it lives whether you like it or not.
unidentified		Forever, and I wish I knew how to tell it.
unidentified		There's two of them I'd like to run off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And good morning, Joyce.
		I'm sorry I didn't get your last name.
		Murphy Murphy.
		Murphy.
		Murphy.
		I wanted to mention a couple of things that have been going on in Southern California, and I'm not sure if Joyce is familiar with them or not.
		One is the bacteria that's affecting the children, has affected several children down here, too, who have died.
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What bacteria is there?
unidentified		They call I'm not good with long scientific names like that.
unidentified		But it's like one little boy right now has it in San Diego, and he has to amputate his foot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this what's known as the flesh-eating bacteria?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, this is different.
		All he said is that it starts out like a cold, and then the kids come up with a rash, and two of the children, two kids died, teenagers.
		And it was down in Orange County, and then some children in the San Fernando Valley have come down with it.
		They're okay, and they can go home.
		But it's just all of a sudden it's just popped up.
		And then also the case of the men who were working in an abandoned sewer store in Covina.
		They had been digging down in the basement, you know, getting ready to demolish it.
		And one man went down and was overcome by something, some kind of gas.
		His friends tried to go down and get him, and they were overcome by it.
		When they brought him up to the surface, some of the rescue workers were overcome by it.
		And when they took them to the hospital, they said even some of the, they had them outside, they had to leave their clothes outside.
		Now then later, the report I heard was that it was carbon monoxide.
		Now as far as I know, carbon monoxide doesn't stay on clothes.
		It also dissipates in open air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely correct.
unidentified		So if they were, if all of the rescue workers that were around this pit were out in open air, how are they affected by that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really bizarre.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As bizarre as Jasper.
unidentified		Yep.
		Those are the two.
		I wanted to see if she was familiar with.
		This bacteria, they gave the name of it, but like I said, I'm not good with these names.
		But they said it starts out like a cold, the kids will develop a rash, and they said if they get it right away, they can combat it with antibiotics.
		But one of the teenagers, I don't think she had it that long before she died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		All of this is new to me.
		Joyce, had you heard about any of this?
unidentified		No, I don't believe I have.
		I guess I'm not usually in on health problems unless they affect around here.
		I'm always chasing UFOs.
		And I guess the only reason I got in on this Arkansas thing was because there was possibly a UFO involved.
		But I don't, that's terrible.
		I mean, that's, it feels like I heard somewhere That right before the earth changes or something, that there are going to be a lot of new viruses and bacteria that affect us.
		Does somebody predict that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, many people have, Joyce, yes.
		There's something going on that I call the quickening that is sort of a summation of everything that seems to be going on, all these new diseases, mysteries, economic problems accelerating, political problems accelerating.
		In every aspect of life, a quickening.
		I've been talking about that now for years.
		Clearly, there are changes underway, and we are headed toward a large change of some kind, Joyce.
		Do you get that sense?
unidentified		Yeah, I believe that.
		I totally believe that.
		I think we're the human resonance, are you familiar with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
unidentified		It's the actually the heartbeat of the earth is increasing in frequency or beating faster.
		And that's something to do with our vibrational frequency that we're trying to accelerate and vibrate at a higher level.
		So I really believe all that stuff is true.
		I do.
		I'm not into all of the New Age things because I haven't had time to really educate myself on them because I, you know, talk stick to UFO phenomena.
		But I believe that there's a lot of truth in all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard about the heartbeat of the earth.
		I know there is a resonance frequency, and so I, too, am not into all of this New Age stuff, but I have been a talk host for well over a decade now, and I observed this change that we're going through.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Murphy and Art Bell.
unidentified		High.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in St. Louis.
unidentified		My name is Charlie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Charlie.
unidentified		Yes, I had a comment for Art.
		Go ahead.
		Oh, okay.
		I'm looking at a map right now, Jasper, and I see Fort Smith not too far away from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I have a couple ideals.
unidentified		When you mentioned that the kids had to be taken to Harrison to the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, if this is an experiment, you know, I'm just saying it might be, the people that are experimenting with this are going to be wanting to look at the results.
		Correct.
		So maybe the doctors or professionals that are around there, look around and check them out because they're going to be looking at these kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're off into utter speculation here, and we should.
unidentified		Well, I know it's speculation, but if that is going on, maybe you will be wanting to look at where the guinea pigs are going to be, and then that's where the experimenters are going to be, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure would like to talk to a doctor in Jasper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequently do you conduct these UFO expeditions?
unidentified		We usually have one a month going to somewhere in the world.
		Some of them we just take primary teams for the primary investigation, maybe four or five people.
		And a lot of times we'll take a VHD psychologist with us.
		And we go out and actually do the logistics for taking a group back later and line up all of the investigation that we want to do so we can be more efficient with our time when we go back.
		But we're out at least once a month.
		And then the rest of the year, we're traveling to different parts of the United States with our slideshow presentation, our road show that we do free of charge just to share our information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you've been so good coming on in an area that really is not generally your area.
		I very much appreciate it.
		Is there a phone number people can call if they are interested?
unidentified		Yes, there sure is.
unidentified		It's an 800 number, and when I'm out of the country, it usually has a machine on it, but it's 800-259-8747.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		8747.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's 800-259-8747, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, one quick final question, because we're about out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have there been sightings of the chupacabra in California?
unidentified		Yes.
		Where?
		The high desert, the Baldi Mesa area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		I have a very good source there who also wants to remain anonymous, but yes, definitely.
unidentified		The chupacabra is definitely in the high desert area of California near Victorville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, just what I wanted to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not far from me.
unidentified		Well, usually it's kind of out of its territory.
		It usually sticks to a more jungle-like condition.
		So now it's gone to the high desert.
		So I don't know what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, just what I wanted to hear, Joyce.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, we will have you back on again.
		Thank you for coming on to discuss this strangeness in Arkansas.
		Thank you, Joyce.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
		We just finished doing two hours with Joyce Murphy on a very, very strange subject.
		Students suddenly collapsing after being on playground in a little town called Jasper, Arkansas.
		Confirmation from people in Jasper.
		Confirmation apparently of some kind of substance detected in their bloodstream and their urine.
		Very strange story.
		Not possible to repeat it all now.
		A follow-up, somebody called about children in Southern California succumbing to bacterial infection, and sure enough, here's a newspaper story sent by Melissa at KXNT in Las Vegas.
		Dear Art, here's a story about the bacteria in California.
		Bacterial infection leaves two children gravely ill, it says, and they have no idea what it is.
		They're trying to figure out what it is.
		Officials at the San Diego County Health Department said experts do not know why some people develop infections and some don't.
		Strange occurrences around our nation, folks.
		We will go to open lines here shortly.
		Tomorrow night, Whitley Striber on two very, very important topics.
		One, asteroids.
		There's a lot going on with asteroids, and I mean not just the movie coming up, but real close encounters, maybe too close for comfort.
		We'll talk about that tomorrow night.
		In addition, the Larson ice shelf in the Antarctic is thought to be breaking up.
		I know, you think I'm crazy.
		I've got the AP story on it here, and Whitley will fill you in tomorrow night.
		That's right, the Larson ice shelf in the Antarctic is breaking up.
		So anyway, open lines coming up shortly.
		No, I don't care to talk about O.J. Simpson.
		If you want to, you can.
		O.J. Simpson's comment yesterday, this is far from over, referring, of course, to the 33.5 million he owes now, I guess.
		To me, it sounded like a threat that he's going to keep this subject alive in front of the American people no matter what.
		Well, all right, we're going to go to open lines now.
		I was on vacation, as you know, and I'm back now.
		I was in Mazatlan down in Mecole, and had a blast.
		Here's a fax from Bob in El Paso, Texas.
		Dear Art, I'm Bob from El Paso.
		I, too, just returned from Mazatlan.
		I was there February 2nd through the 9th.
		I had to leave on the 9th because all the rooms everywhere were booked up.
		But I still caught the first edge of Mardi Gras, or Carnival, as it's known down there.
		And yes, indeed, I was there for Carnival, and he wanted to look me up.
		You know, it blew my mind, but there I was in Mazadlan, and I was getting recognized.
		I'm a radio guy, and I was getting, I had people, I mean, it's 2,000 miles south, or 1,500, 2,000, whatever it is, away down there, and below the tip of Baja.
		And people were recognizing me, taking photographs.
		Unbelievable.
		But it was a blast.
		A carnival was going on and everybody was in a very festive mood.
		And they get wild.
		I will never, ever understand the theory behind a carnival or a Mardi Gras, if you will, which basically is that you go out and party really hard.
		And you party and you party and you party and you party.
		And it gets wilder and wilder and wilder and more sinful until you get to Ash Wednesday.
		And then on Ash Wednesday, I guess you stop all of that and you repent and think about that which you have just done.
		But this occurs on a yearly basis.
		In other words, you do evil, you do sin, and then you get clean beginning on Ash Wednesday.
		And I've never quite fully understood the psychology of that.
		Or maybe I do.
		Strange, anyway.
		And of course, Mardi Gras in full swing right now.
		I would imagine, well, or just ended.
		Somebody might call from New Orleans, let me know what the deal is.
		I guess it really just at midnight it would have ended.
		It's Wednesday, yeah.
		Strange.
		Anyway, it was going on in Mazatlan, and then to make matters even stranger, a Mexican MTV was there set up, and every teenager from a gazillion miles away somehow knew they were there, and so there were Mexican teenagers all over the place.
		All over the place.
		Matter of fact, I took a lot of photographs.
		We'll probably publish some of those for you, but it was a good trip.
		So back in the saddle again.
	Open lines, anything you want to talk about is fine with me.
	Except O.J. Simpson.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, sir.
		Mr. Belsor?
		Yes.
		Yes, I've been listening with interest.
		I think you have a very interesting show and share a lot of good information with American people.
		And I'm wondering if you said if a person has information on what's happening in Jasper to call in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, absolutely, yes.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know?
unidentified		Okay.
		I am associated.
		I'd like to give a little bit of the other side of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the other side?
unidentified		Well, I'm associated with the government, with the military and the civilian side.
unidentified		And I'm willing to give some information if we have certain ground rules.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Well, you understand, I can't...
unidentified		There are many things that are secure that I cannot put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're not going to give us your military ID or your social security number or your home phone.
unidentified		Well, no.
unidentified		The main thing is that I think there's a basic misunderstanding here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are we misunderstanding?
unidentified		Well, first of all, let me ask you, sir.
		You are a patriotic man.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean, that I love my country?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Yes, well, of course you do.
unidentified		We know that you are a patriotic man, and we feel that you would understand certain necessities, certain things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, whether I am or not is not material to what you have to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You called here to talk on the air in front of millions of people about something, so go ahead and spit it out.
unidentified		Okay, well, what's happening in Jasper is the American people need to expect more of this.
		This is something that is quite necessary.
		It is necessary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Necessary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Necessary to make our school kids sick.
unidentified		Well, we have a certain experimentation.
unidentified		With the title, the title 50, we have to understand, is what the government has put forth is, I'm sure you would agree, is good for the American people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't agree with that at all, no.
		Well, why would it be good for the American people for them to be experimented on with chemical or biological agents?
		Why would that be good?
unidentified		Well, the bottom card here is...
		National security.
		Well, it's a double thing here, sir.
		It's civilian control, and we need to know how these agents will react, but it's also for civilian control.
		Now, can you imagine what would happen if we had a rebellion against the executive branch of the government, for instance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		So, in other words, oh, I think I've got you now.
		Here is a way to disable civilians.
		If they get a little rebellious, why, we just give them all headaches and have them fall down on the floor, and they get rashes and sick, and who's going to rebel under those circumstances?
		Do I have that about right?
unidentified		Well...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
unidentified		It's true that I'm not fully comfortable with all the aspects of this.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I appreciate your call.
		You damn well ought not be comfortable.
		If what you're telling me is true, and I have some doubts, then it's sickening.
		And if you're even the least bit comfortable with it, then I wonder, sir, about your patriotism, since you brought up the word.
		I don't like to overuse that word.
		But if this is, as you are alluding to, some sort of government experimentation so we can decide whether we can control civilians under anarchistic conditions, and we're testing it on little school kids, then I've got a real serious problem with that.
		I'm not just a little uncomfortable with some aspects.
		I've got a real problem with that.
		Now, I'm not saying that's what it is.
		You're the one who seemed to be saying that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, reasonably well.
unidentified		Boy, if that guy had any patriotism in a party, he'd tell us what was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		The whole thing I found a little suspicious.
		Anyway.
unidentified		Anyway, listen, I want to clear up a couple of things for you down here in Orange County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The bacteria that's going around is something that comes around once a year.
		The doctors have come on the television and they have explained it.
		The name of the bacteria, I'll spell it for you.
		It's M-E-N-I-N-G-O-C-O-C-C-E-M-I-A.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for God's sakes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, why do they have to name it something like this?
unidentified		Right.
		Right.
		But, you know, there's been about 40 cases a year that, for the past several years, here in Orange County, L.A., throughout the South, and also back East.
		I don't think that's anything to get alarmed of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless you get it, I guess, huh?
unidentified		Well, yeah, it does give you a fever, a rash, but the rash is not a red rash.
unidentified		It's a black rash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A black rash.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, when you had Joyce on the air, you should have asked her if she had any information about that UFO sighting in Wilmington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Well, UFO sighting in Wilmington and then the falling from the sky of a 1950s automobile.
		I've yet to follow up on that one.
		That occurred just before I went on vacation.
		I'll see if I can make some calls tomorrow on that.
unidentified		Boy, that would have been something to see.
unidentified		I'm here in Orange County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, don't get M-E-N-I-N-G-O-C-O-C-E-M-I-A if you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you could avoid it.
unidentified		Believe me, I haven't been sick in 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we just call it something simple?
		Well, because then people would talk about it.
		But now, with a word like this, you can't even talk about it.
unidentified		Men, truck, me, me, me, a little something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't even know.
unidentified		Menukamia?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		Somebody with some medical training out there, help.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Little Rock, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Little Rock, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I said, how are you?
unidentified		I was talking to you a minute ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you're only allowed to call one time.
		I appreciate the call, sir, but it is one call per customer per night.
		That is the rule of the show.
		The only one of our few hard rules, and that is that you can only call once.
		Call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255.
		You cannot, number one, you can't use your last name.
		Number two, you're going to have to get into that phone and just about yell at us.
		So give us your first name only.
unidentified		Mary Gill from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what's going on, Mary?
unidentified		Well, I was just listening to what's been going on tonight.
		Right.
		And I'm almost afraid to even talk about it because it's got to do with the virus and all the kids and the government, what that guy was talking about, whatever it is.
		Whoever it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you believe him?
unidentified		Um, in a weird kind of fact, in some kind of way, because I'm dealing with a bunch of stuff that involves children and viruses?
		Yeah, and the government, and you are.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get involved in this, Mary?
unidentified		Well, anonymously, since I've been seven years old, I've been watching, you know, the, you know, reading the Bible.
unidentified		That Bible's got a lot to do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no, wait a minute.
		I don't mind a discussion of the Bible, but what does that have to do with children and viruses?
		And your involvement.
		You're going to have to.
unidentified		I'm not involved in it.
		It kind of like goes through prayer and meditation and do your dream episodes that you have.
		Occasionally I'll catch them.
		Usually it's going once while it's gone or your answer machine blowing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call, but I have no idea what you're talking about.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		This is Jim Collins from Tennessee.
		Hi, Jim.
		I was wondering if maybe you all have heard anything about a train incident in Arizona a few weeks ago.
		I heard a story on CNN one time, and they actually showed footage of a train that had been blown up, and they said that the crew members had disappeared.
		They couldn't find them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I hadn't heard about this.
unidentified		Well, it was on CNN about two and a half weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A train in Arizona was blown up.
unidentified		Derailed.
		And they had...
		They didn't say.
		They said they, well, yeah, I guess they did.
		They said they thought that a bomb had possibly exploded and caused it to derail.
		And there was aerial footage of the incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there were crew members missing?
unidentified		The entire crew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The entire crew.
unidentified		Yeah, and after this time, I watched the news the following day.
unidentified		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly the story disappeared, right?
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly the story disappeared.
unidentified		Right, and I called the local news here in Tennessee, the newspapers, to see if the research department had any information, but no one knew anything.
		They called me back, and she said, well, that sounds like a mystery.
		It could be something interesting.
		And she said that she would personally look into it and call me back if she had any information.
		But to me, it's just a big story, and no one has covered it at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		It is if it's true.
		And now, what I can do, we're heard all over Arizona, and I can ask the people in Arizona for some help and see if it is a true story.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		So stay tuned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay tuned.
		All right.
		Well, I've learned not to scoff at that which I hear of this sort.
		People in Arizona, what do you know about this?
		Is there any truth to it?
		Should we expect to see these people, this crew, this disappeared crew, drop from the skies like a mid-50s automobile, maybe a decade from now?
		What the hell's going on out there anyway?
		Anybody in Arizona know what this man was talking about?
		I've certainly heard of some sabotage being committed against rail lines and trains, but nothing about entire crews disappearing.
		What is going on out there?
		From the high desert, right in the middle of high weirdness, this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		CBC.
		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Call our bell, toll free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Top of the morning, everybody.
		Great to be here.
		I'm Art Bell, and we are talking about anything you want to talk about.
		All right, back now to the phones.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Frank from Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Frank.
unidentified		And I'm telling about all these news reports that you've been getting, and they suddenly disappear.
		Yes.
		It's just really bizarre to me that I recall back in 1987.
		I'm watching the news one day, and the Japanese airline, JAL, they all, over Alaska, all the passengers see a UFO.
		They're all talking about it, the pilot's talking about it.
		It's on the news.
		It's the second story on ABC.
		The next day you don't hear a thing about it.
		But it seems like in the last six months, that is increasing.
		There's a lot more stories that you hear about one day.
		Some of them like TWA that keep going on and you hear a lot more about it.
		But other things like this train derailment, this situation that took place here in Jasper, suddenly they just disappear into thin air.
		And it makes you wonder, the government at times seems at odds with the news media, but yet at other times they seem to have a lot of control over what stories have a continuing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you would normally expect if 50 people got sick over something that they could not explain, that is a large national story.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until we get to the bottom of it, it's a big story.
		Now, maybe it'll turn out to be nothing, but it is insufficient to get an explanation that they found some foreign compound or substance in their blood and urine.
		And I'm unwilling to let it drop there.
		And I'm going to know before this is over what this is.
unidentified		Without a doubt.
		And then, just like you think, say, you think that with 50 people getting sick, there's several other stories in the last 15 years where something's occurred, and you continue to hear about it.
		And you get to the bottom of what actually happened.
		That's what makes you think that the government has something to do with it, even though it may sound way out there, but it makes you think the government must have something to do with it because we're not hearing about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you, my friend.
unidentified		It's amazing.
unidentified		Great show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
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		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello?
		Yes, sir.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Sam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sam, turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's number one.
unidentified		All right, got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		In St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Sam.
unidentified		I just had a simple couple of statements.
		A lot of them got lost waiting.
		Let's see.
		I'll just stick to the simplest one that I remember.
		All right.
		Let's see.
		You were talking often about the quickening.
		I've heard you talk about that more than once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For years, say.
unidentified		Well, I've only been listening to you for about four or five months.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, go ahead.
unidentified		It occurred to me, and I know this might sound silly to some of your other listeners, but it occurred to me maybe you ought to check out the Revelation of John.
unidentified		The Revelation of the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've read the Bible, Sam.
		My observation is not based on anything that I've read in the Bible.
		It's based on simple observation of current events, Sam?
unidentified		Well, that comes right back to what I was saying at the time that I noticed the same thing that you've been noticing.
		I had never read the Bible myself.
		And someone suggested it that I go and look at that.
		And at the time, I did, and I didn't really think much of it, but that's because I couldn't understand half the words in it.
		The King James Version is not really written for anyone other than someone who was alive at the time King James was to read it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't mean a lot to somebody squarely into Ebonics, huh?
unidentified		No, not really.
unidentified		But I did pick up something that I could read, and I read through it, and there's still a lot in it I don't understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Sam, the Bible, be there to read.
		Thanks for the call.
		First time, call our line.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Angela from Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Angela.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Alaska are you, pray tell?
unidentified		Juneau.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Juneau?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Juneau, the rainy capital.
unidentified		Yes, it is, and it's raining right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Accessible only by sea or air.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, not a lot of people know that.
unidentified		No, they don't, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's going on up there besides rain?
unidentified		Um, Not much.
		It's snowing a little bit.
		It snowed about three inches last night.
		Really?
		Yep.
		My question to you tonight was about, I was wondering if anyone in the sleep paralysis has been weighed to see if they have lost a three-quarter ounce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer to that is no, but I thought of that myself, and I think that would make a wonderful, wonderful experiment.
unidentified		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we don't have to have somebody die to give it a shot.
		So I'm all for it.
		I thought of it myself.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I was listening to one of your reruns, and I was wondering, you know, that would be great if someone who can control it would weigh themselves and see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And imagine this, if you knew by watching the encephalograph, when they were out of body, and you could just go in, you could see the weight loss, you go in and go, wake up, and then all of a sudden, boom, three quarters of an ounce pops back, you've really got something.
unidentified		Yep, and there you go.
		It'd be the soul.
		There's your answer.
		I think that would be great if someone would do that.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is hereby suggested.
unidentified		Okay, well, thanks, Artin.
unidentified		I'm glad to have you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
		Good to be back.
		From Juneau, Alaska, capital of Alaska.
		I am going to Alaska soon.
		Now, I'm not going to say any more about it right now than just that teaser.
		But I'm going to Alaska soon.
		East of the Rockies.
		You've been hearing about it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		This is the Blue Bark biker from Branson area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Blue Biker?
unidentified		Yeah, I sent you a letter written backwards a few months ago, but I know that you got so much mail you probably never got around to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've barely gotten around to most of that, which is written forwards.
unidentified		Yeah.
		All right.
		I've got some notes here.
		We live not too far from the area that you were talking about, Jasper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Just north of the border.
		And it was on the Springfield channel on television.
		And they didn't take it very lightly.
		They thought it was pretty serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I should say so.
unidentified		Some of the other things I thought I'd pass along to you, I have a friend that was a 22-year veteran of the Air Force.
		He was a senior master sergeant.
		And he said that back before they started dropping Agent Orange in Vietnam, that they experimented on it around the Eureka Springs area.
		So just to let you know that there's a possibility that the government can do things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's no question about it.
		Sure they can.
		But can you imagine, how could anybody, even, I mean, you know, you say the government, but the government is people.
		And when it gets right down to it, there's got to be a person who says, okay, you know, we're going to fly a jet over this little town in Arkansas, or we're going to drive a truck by, and we're going to spray these kids in a schoolyard.
		I mean, come on now.
		Think about that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		But I think we've historically found out that the government does things that we're not too happy about later when we find out about them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unbelievable.
unidentified		And you were talking about why the other networks and things don't pick this up and talk about these things.
		Well, I think most of us listen, think that your programs with Major Ed Dames are some of the most dynamite things we could ever listen to.
		And they're pretty damn scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of what we do here is scary.
		And it varies from the surreal to the real to science fiction.
		You know, I'll let the audience pick apart.
unidentified		Well, sure.
		But when you think about that, if that has any grounds to it whatsoever, how come we haven't heard that from anywhere else?
		You know, we only depend on you for that.
		But if there is any real meat to that, what Major Ed Dames comes up with, you would think that there would be someone else that would be latching onto it and going, hey, guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem is, like most, thank you, like most seers, predictors, remote viewers, whatever, the media is going to treat that kind of like a prediction.
		You know, even Gene Dixon made predictions, and one day she would make some pretty strange predictions.
		You remember she predicted Kennedy was going to be shot many other things, late Gene Dixon.
		But even her dire predictions would not be publicized necessarily nationally.
		It just is not something the American mainstream press does.
		That's all.
		But, you know, this thing in Arkansas, it's a whole different story.
		That's a big story.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art, this is John from K May, New Jersey.
		There must be something wrong with your wildcard line.
		It's been busy all night long and you haven't picked it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, it's just that there are a lot of people calling.
		There are 325 radio stations out there now, and so it's busy.
		That's naming the tune.
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to mention that we better be careful about our UFO sightings in these areas where things happen, like around this school.
unidentified		It might be the government trying to get us against aliens or UFOs or whatnot, you know, to part of this New World Order thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		I would think their interest would be exactly the opposite.
		If there really is something to this New World Order, they would be trying to promote it, not be against it.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		It's great to have you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I was wondering, curious, if there was any word on Taylor Kramer for Man Davis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		None yet.
		Not yet, huh?
		People need not ask about this stuff, my friend.
		When I know, you'll know.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		That's great.
		How about, are you going to be cutting your mustache soon?
		No.
		No.
		Okay.
		Well, I was just curious if you're going to be going to California and doing another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I was going to go.
		They had invited me to go Tuesday and Thursday.
		In other words, it would have been, let's see, today and tomorrow.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yesterday now and tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's just too much on top of my vacation, so I had to turn it down.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		But nothing coming up in the future, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, no doubt.
unidentified		No doubt.
		Okay, Art.
		Again, it's great to have you back live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		Thank you.
		I was going to do a pretty big part in Dark Skies, but I just didn't want to be gone for that period of time and fly to L.A. twice.
		Yikes.
		Too much.
		So I declined, and they're going to recast that part.
		And at some date in the future, I will do it again.
		Now, tomorrow night, hard copy is going to be here at the house.
		And I'll tell you more about that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Craig in Hickory, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Craig.
unidentified		I hope you enjoyed your Mexican vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly did.
unidentified		Did you take your telescope with you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly did not.
unidentified		You didn't?
		No.
		You had a chance to use it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have any idea what it would be like taking a large tripod mead telescope to Mexico on a short trip?
unidentified		Yeah, I understand.
		Have you had a chance to use it yet, though?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Are you satisfied with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exceptionally satisfied.
unidentified		I'm glad.
unidentified		I was wondering, when you were in Mexico, folks here in the United States are always hearing about the political problems in Mexico and the potential for revolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for asking.
		Yes, I have some news about that, and I'll get it on here.
		I, of course, was in Sinaloa in Mexico.
		And I asked a number of people about the political situation in Mexico.
		And all of them gave me a thumbs down, indicating the situation is deteriorating rapidly.
		Now, this has come from every single person that I've talked to.
		So I'm warning you, I'm telling you that you're not hearing about the political dissatisfaction in Mexico.
		But if you think people are dissatisfied here, you should see the way they are in Mexico.
		Expect trouble.
		That's what I would tell you.
		Expect trouble in Mexico.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, hello, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Hey, listen, in reference to the train in Phoenix, this is Jury in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, can you tell me about that?
unidentified		Well, there was a derailment about two and a half weeks ago.
		And it's true that the people that were running the train weren't there.
		They were about 10 miles further east.
		What happened is they switched tracks to get another load of cars, and they're at the top of a hill.
		And evidently, this is the first time it happened, but the rest of the train started rolling backwards, and they had to go catch up with it.
		And by the time they got 10 miles down the road, there was a crash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take this a little slower.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A train is up on top of a hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, they've got cars on the train, is that correct?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're at the top of a sort of a slow hill, but so somehow a portion or half the train becomes disconnected from the other half?
unidentified		Right, because they were switching tracks and they had to go pick up some more cars, and this is normally an area where they do that.
unidentified		They switch cars there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the train began going downhill.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It never happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Without an engine.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And what about 10 miles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's 10 miles.
unidentified		A straight run, and then there's a little town at the bottom.
unidentified		And it didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet they were thrilled.
		I bet they were thrilled.
		Here comes a runaway train.
unidentified		Yeah, it wasn't too far from a little school there, too, and they evacuated everyone.
		But, you know, there was no government involvement there.
		It was just no explosion.
		I think there was a fear of a fire and so forth, but there was a little bit of a problem there, but nothing major.
		It could have been major.
		I understand there was some chemicals in one of the cars, but it was contained, and they got it out of there real quick.
		But no problems there.
		About your one caller there, I guess he implied that he was a government agent or a government representative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what did you think of that?
unidentified		I thought it was a hoax.
		You know, my feeling is if the government ever sprays chemicals and involves kids, boy, I'll tell you what, there will be some heads rolling from the top.
		I mean, I would be outraged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, just a moment.
		I would like to agree with you, and years ago I certainly would have.
		But our own Hazel O'Leary admitted that they fed pregnant women plutonium and children plutonium and on and on and on.
		So it's not like they haven't done it, sir.
unidentified		No, I agree, but I think the attitude today is a whole lot different than it was, say, 20, 30, 40 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you hear about something they did 40 years ago, you go, so in another 40 years, maybe we'll hear about what occurred in Arkansas.
unidentified		It's probably pretty true.
		Yeah, unfortunately, you might be right.
		Hey, I really enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		It deals with different topics.
		Tomorrow night, for example, Whitley Streeber is going to be here, and we're going to talk about the possibility of something hitting Earth, specifically an asteroid, near-Earth asteroids.
		And we're going to talk about something very worrisome, and that is the breakup of the Larson ice shelf in the Antarctic.
		It's the damnedest thing you've ever heard.
		I've got from Sydney, Australia, I've got a story.
		Deep holes, cracks several miles long, are spreading through an Antarctic ice shelf, and scientists who examine them predict the shelf will soon collapse.
		Two years ago, the northern section of the 620-mile-long Larson ice shelf collapsed after a period of warmer than usual temperatures they are now suggesting that one scientist said quote it will be destroyed without any doubt this is a scientist who has spent the past seven years observing that area and he now believes the entire ice shelf is going to so
		we're going to be talking about that tomorrow.
		And I don't mean to unnecessarily worry you, but this is a real story.
		Strange, but true.
		So, Whitley Streber, here tomorrow night, talking about near-Earth asteroids, as well as this problem, apparent problem, with the Larson ice shelf.
		I know, folks, if it isn't the quickening, then what in the world
		world is it we're gonna break here at the top of the hour I'm Art Bell from the high desert the parent new home of the troop of opera this is CBC you're listening to Coast to Coast a.m. with
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Am I on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
unidentified		Oh, well, did you want to know something about the medical word that was mentioned earlier?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Like, I think it was meningeococcemia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
unidentified		Is that it?
unidentified		Well, meningeo refers to the three layers of membrane that surrounds the brain and the spinal cord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Coco refers to a round-shaped bacteria.
unidentified		And emia refers to the blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still think it's an unfair word, but okay.
unidentified		And I'd also like to mention the fellow who called in from the government, supposedly.
		Yes.
		My understanding is that anybody who is connected to the government would never call in on a radio talk show and identify themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might say, I work for the government, but I have high suspicions that that caller was full of it.
unidentified		Yeah, I agree.
unidentified		Thank you for your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for your call, and thank you for the explanation of that otherwise unpronounceable word.
		It is an inflammation that has something to do with the brain, so I'm sure she is exactly correct.
		A lot of strange things occurring out there right now.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, Art.
		Hi.
		Oh, I thought I'd get another screener first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a screener, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't screen calls.
unidentified		Okay.
		I've got reason to believe that the Mayans knew about DNA in their early hieroglyphics.
		I heard some lady talking about it on one of your competitors' networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I threw more or less out-of-body the sleep thing.
		Right.
		But if you don't go out of the body and you go through the demons.
		What demons?
		Well, a lot of people will see things that will scare them away from going into certain areas.
		Like demons.
		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would do it.
unidentified		Well, they're not really demons.
		It's just a scare tactic.
		So you don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was your word, not mine.
unidentified		All right, yeah.
		Well, a lot of people, I heard some people talk on your show that way.
		But actually, they're not really.
		It's just a segment of your imagination.
		But you can actually go through them if you don't have any fear.
		You can go through them and answer almost any question that you have by doing it.
		It takes a lot of courage.
		Well, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I presume you've done it, right?
unidentified		Yes, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what answers do you have that you can enlighten us all with?
unidentified		Well, the DNA, there's some hieroglyphics that can't be read.
		And they find out that in DNA, the messages or ideas are put in between the genes, and they're attached by enzymes.
		But The Mayans knew how to start these enzymes.
		Somebody will catch on.
		I know it's pretty simple.
		If you go to the hieroglyphics and you find out how the mind works, it takes the scientists, because I've been going through a lot of DNA stuff because my son had a brain tumor.
		And that's what gave me the courage to go through these fears in order to find the answer.
		But it's actually have to change your belief systems.
		And you have to have the truth.
		And once you find that, you will find the answers.
		It'll take me about an hour to explain it all.
		But I don't want to do that on the air because people will get the wrong idea.
		And that's about all I can say, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate your call, sir.
		Wish we understood what you meant.
		What I got out of that was that other Mayans had decoded DNA, and that information is contained in hieroglyphics that have not been decoded.
		But that you know that.
		So maybe tomorrow night, Whitley is going to talk a little bit about the Mayans and their calendar, as a matter of fact, as we talk about this incredible Larson ice shelf business.
		It's getting ready to collapse, the entire ice shelf.
		And, you know, I'm curious, if that occurs, and I was talking with Whitley about this earlier, what are the implications?
		In other words, let's assume whether it's global warming or for whatever other reason, this ice shelf is going to let go.
unidentified		What will happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What effect will that have?
		Everybody is agreeing.
		Larson Ice Shelf is going to let go, but they have...
		What does it mean for us?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I got some requests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What about the Troop of Trash?
		Play that Steve Collins game.
		Let's see here.
		I want to hear the book from the Bigfoot Yell.
		And I want to hear that song with Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash.
		Reincarnation one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't want much, huh?
unidentified		No, no, I'm an easygoing guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take it under advisement.
unidentified		All right, also to that G-Man guy.
		Yeah, you're full of it.
		Big guy from the government?
		Yeah.
		Clown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't think that was very funny.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Art.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		See you later.
		We'll get to all of that in due time.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
unidentified		Little Rock College, KRN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You can call Chair and Lee at 9.20 tomorrow between 2 and 3 Central Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And that's your news person at KRN, your affiliate.
unidentified		And keep in mind, Senator Nicholas is a woman, the head of the health department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And she was a replacement for Jocelyn Elders, the former Surgeon General.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, well, I called the First District Congressman, Atha Hutchinson, and asked him to get some real doctors on that story.
		And so hopefully there's going to be something coming out about that.
		But the man was correct about the anti-government feeling in the Cardinal administration.
		They took the bus away from the National River, which is up through there, Boone County, Yale County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the implication of what he said is that because somebody doesn't like the government, they're going to do something to a bunch of school children on playgrounds?
unidentified		No, you just don't like your children passing out for no known reason, especially with rasters and bruises, and no answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nobody would like that.
		I appreciate the call, sir, but see, there's two ways that people tend to look at this.
		One is the government did it, the other is somebody out of their minds did it as some sort of protest.
		Either way, both of them would be out of their minds as far as I'm concerned.
		Absolutely out of their minds.
		How do our children get into the middle of this?
		Is that what it was in Oklahoma City when they bombed the Murray building?
		How do you redress government wrongs by killing children?
		Twisted minds out there.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Good morning.
		Is this live?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Memorex.
unidentified		Okay, well, this is Fred in Idaho Falls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Art in Perump, Nevada.
unidentified		How are you, Art?
		Okay.
		I thought the reason why I asked if it was live, because I think one of your hours is put on replay.
		But evidently, I've got you live, and I'm at the 319.
		Well, I'm glad to speak to you.
		And I wanted to ask if you've heard anything, if anybody has said anything about this huge ice field that they suspect is breaking away and has already split.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been talking about it all morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Larson ice shelf.
unidentified		Larson Ice Shelf, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, a comment was made, or I believe probably asked what's going to happen.
		I heard, I didn't substantiate it, and I don't know what source it came from, but it was in regard to the news of this ice breaking away.
		The comment was made that It would, of course, begin melting as it reached the warmer climate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		And that it would raise the water, the ocean level, by a certain amount of footage.
unidentified		I didn't recall, or perhaps I didn't hear the exact footage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a rather critical bit of information.
unidentified		Well, I'm since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's another thing, sir, that it would do, and I also would like to know the impact of this.
		In other words, that ice is primarily fresh water, not salt.
		All right?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When that mixes with salt water, there is going to be an effect.
		I don't know what that effect is.
		I'm not a scientist, but obviously the Larson ice shelf breaking off is a very serious event, and we've got to figure out who to talk to to find out.
unidentified		Well, what we need to do, Art, is we need to go up there before it breaks, it gets into one of the current streams and anchor it up there and then take off the fresh water and market it.
		I hear the Japanese have taken ice cubes off of some of those icebergs because the purity and clarity of the water makes excellent ice cubes.
		I don't know why we don't just anchor that thing up there and put a claim on it.
		But I'm going to find out a little more about it, and I'll facture some info if you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll look forward to it.
		I think the problem may run a little deeper.
		In other words, whether it's global warming or it's something else that's causing this, they're saying here that the average temperature has risen 4.5 degrees over the last 50 years.
		And it does not take very much of a change in temperature to cause something like an ice shelf, which is actually ecologically very delicate, to completely change.
		Now, we have gone through ice ages before, and then I suppose periods when it warms.
		But remember that our presence here is a rather delicate balance.
		And I want to understand, and I'm sure you do too, exactly what the implications are.
		This is not a maybe.
		This is occurring, folks.
		Worrisome as it may be, it is occurring.
		It's a 4,600 square mile ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula.
		And it is predicted to collapse completely within the next two years.
		I want to know what it's going to do.
		How about you?
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		There we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Springfield, Oregon.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yes, sir.
		I was just calling to ask about, well, you know about major Islam, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only one here, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I was listening to you on the radio right now, and it didn't coincide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a delay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why we had people like you turn the radio down.
unidentified		Oh, okay, that's fine.
		Well, I'm glad for that.
		Anyway, if I was curious on the mutated frogs and everything that people have been finding, and now with this ice thing and the bacteria found and everything, the quickening, you know, it seems to me that you guys do have a definite point on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a point, yes.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah, and it's unfortunate, you know, with all the stuff going on.
unidentified		And as far as that one guy goes, I myself am in a part of the government myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		Yes, I am, sir.
		And internal security.
		And it it sounded to me, I'm at work right now.
		It sounded to me like that, you know, one way or another that his story didn't, I don't know, it didn't really, you know, that it didn't match for some reason, you know, as far as that goes.
		But, you know, who's to say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're actually a government employee on duty in internal security, you said, right now.
unidentified		Right now I am, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoning our talk show.
unidentified		Phoning your talk show, that's correct.
unidentified		Incriminating, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On our dollars.
unidentified		Not on your dollars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm owned.
unidentified		Well, who do you think pays your salary?
		Well, I do.
		I'm my own contractor.
		Oh.
		But I work for a government firm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but when you do contract work for the government, the government pays you, right?
unidentified		Oh, that's true, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then whose money do you think that is?
unidentified		Oh, that's ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The American people's.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So ultimately, you see, if contractor or direct employee, your money is coming from the American taxpayer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just so I'd point that out.
unidentified		Okay, well, yeah, but anyway, getting back to what I was saying, yeah, I don't know about all this crap that's going on, but I was going to ask you as far as when were you going to have either Ed Dames back or Joyce Riley back on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just had Ed Dames.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Joyce Riley will be coming up shortly.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'll be listening.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It never ceases to amaze me how people rationalize their own activities and how they...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Jim from the UP of Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Jim.
unidentified		I was just wondering, while you were on vacation, they replayed earlier broadcast of the photos you received.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Of the UFOs.
unidentified		And I was just wondering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no, of what UFOs?
unidentified		Of object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean the SLO, Saturn-like object?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The photograph from Professor Brown and Prudence Calabresi.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Okay.
unidentified		And I was wondering, since it was a replay and I just heard it the other day, if you ever had gotten a name from where they had, where they got the photos, or what was the outcome of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were listening the other day, that's what the whole program was about.
unidentified		But you tried to get them to name names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they wouldn't, and they still haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing has happened.
unidentified		Nothing.
unidentified		It's just dead-ended.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's dead-ended, yes, yes, dead-ended.
		That's right.
		Dead-ended.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		This deal down in Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's kind of unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry, it may be, but it is true.
unidentified		From a humane standpoint, a caller had mentioned that, or you had mentioned earlier, that the government is people.
unidentified		And to be so inhumane...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I don't...
		I don't know for sure that the government did anything.
		I have no proof of that.
		But with respect to past actions by the government, yeah, the government is people.
		I mean, ultimately, somebody's got to push a button, pull a switch, yank a lever, do something that is going to spray something or another onto the civilian population.
		Could you do that?
		Are you surprised that there aren't people out there who can do that?
		I am.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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		Her hands are hollow cold.
		Her lips we die.
		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got bad days inside.
		She's kind of music fun.
		You won't have to thank her twice.
		She's your New York snow.
		She's got bad days inside.
		Call Art Bell, toll-free.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And listen, if anybody out there has any information on what this ice shelf is going to do when it breaks up, what changes it will bring on, and what it means, I would appreciate the input by email at artvell at aol.com or fax me at area code 702-727-8499.
		Don't send any more than three pages or I'll never see it.
		But that's 702-727-8499.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Michael.
unidentified		I'm calling from Marysvale, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Michael.
unidentified		I have something that might be of interest to you.
		Okay.
		Regarding Father Malachi Martin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You remember you always are mentioning the quickening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, I know for a fact sometime this year, and I can't say when, but there will be a horrendous explosion in the heavens.
		And when this occurs, there will be a total white out.
		In other words, everything on earth will be totally white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know this?
unidentified		This is one of the prophecies.
unidentified		One of it has to do with Our Lady of Fatima.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Which our Father Malachi Martin lightly covered.
unidentified		He was also mentioning about keeping your eyes up in the heavens toward the month of April.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Well, this is approximately, and I'm not saying this is an exact fact, because I don't really know for sure.
unidentified		But there's a very good possibility that it could happen then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand, my friend, and I appreciate it.
		There are people saying all kinds of things.
		And it is true that Father Martin said, keep your eye on the sky this spring.
		So sure, something could happen.
		I don't know.
		I'm not a prophet.
		I'm not a religious leader.
unidentified		I'm just a talk show host.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I do have my ear to the ground in more ways than one.
		And what I call the quickening is as real as can be to me.
		I've given this very, very deep thought, believe me.
		I better not see any more right now.
		I'm going to have some news for you soon.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am fine.
unidentified		This is Cindy from Perump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey there.
unidentified		Perump.
		All right, right here in Perump.
		That's right.
		It's cold out here this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're in the desert, Cindy.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		I just got done watching a terrific meteor shower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been hearing from a number of people that they're falling like rain out there.
unidentified		They are.
unidentified		They're coming like from the southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Southwest.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll go out in the next break and take a look.
unidentified		Yeah, there was quite a few of them about a half hour ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People don't understand how clear our skies are out here.
unidentified		Well, they're gorgeous, and the critters, they're all anxious and nervous tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're probably pods, Cindy.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		I don't know, but we're so glad to have you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's good to be here.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mexico was great, but, you know, Perrump is home.
unidentified		That's right.
		No place like home.
		Yep.
		Well, that's all I had to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Cindy.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
unidentified		Cindy, right here in Perrump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Figure the odds of that.
		One night, I've got to do it again.
		Open a Prump line.
		There are strange people here.
		I say that affectionately.
		The people who live in Prump Nevada are independent, a little different.
		I mean, you've got to be.
		This is like the last frontier.
		I have heard there is a meteor shower going on.
		As a matter of fact, my wife said something about it on the way back.
		She took my mom to the airport.
		She's safely on her way, I trust, now.
		And said there was a meteor shower going on.
		So I guess I'm going to have to go out and take a look.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Austin, all right.
unidentified		I have, first of all, a question.
unidentified		Stephen Gibbs, a guest that you had last month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time Machine Gibbs, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		I just recently got on the internet and pulled up some information.
		I didn't find any information on how to reach Mr. Gibbs, how to obtain his catalog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we gave out that address on the air.
unidentified		I know, I know, and I had to miss it for that period of time.
unidentified		I came back and somebody said that they gave the address out and nobody wrote it down for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry I don't have it with me.
		About all I can suggest to you.
		Maybe.
unidentified		Okay, I'll go ahead and try that.
		I'll give that a shot.
		Next thing I would like to throw up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not here on the air.
unidentified		I mean, do it anyway.
		Thanks for the wit.
		I could use the late night music.
		Actually, I believe it's okay to go ahead and say this on the air.
		What I believe to be the truth is the whole OJ situation currently is a diversion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		from I know, I know, I realize this.
unidentified		but I'm talking about to the general public and the mainstream media.
		Everybody's being diverted, obviously, by...
		That's so sad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not going to pay the money.
		They're not going to get the money.
		Exactly.
		There are lives lost, and the money is not going to mitigate anything.
unidentified		When things happen like Jasper, for instance, it's easy to use something like O.J. and Menendez boys and stuff like that to divert everybody's attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not exactly...
		There are some talk shows that are stuck on OJ like a bad dream.
		I'm not one of them.
unidentified		I know.
		I didn't really want to infect your show with it.
		I just wanted to make it clear that that's all that's about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you did.
		Thank you.
		I don't want to talk about it.
		I don't care.
		All right.
		I will read you one thing that I think is relevant, if I can find it about O.J. here.
		One thing that I think is relevant.
		Yeah, here it is.
		See if you agree with this, because I do.
		Mark.
		Concerning the recent civil lawsuits against O.J. Simpson, which the jury awarded a total of $33.5 million for the plaintiffs, over the last several nights I recalled a statement that you once made.
		Quote, there are many different prisons in one's life, end quote.
		Yes, I said that.
		It may be true, in Mr. Simpson's situation, that civil prison consisting of losing all of his assets, endorsement income, and future appearances in naked gun sequels will prove worse than spending time in the pokey.
		Furthermore, even though he'll be free to walk the streets, he'll probably be shunted like a leper.
		I feel that two wrongs have been mitigated, but I believe also that the juice has placed himself in the worst prison of all.
		Mark.
		And you know what?
		I agree with that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi there.
unidentified		I got a couple questions for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		First of all, did you ever find out, is the Telstar 401 actually gone from its orbit, or did it just black out?
unidentified		Did it just fail?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard both.
		Stanton Friedman, who I respect, is suggesting it is gone from its orbit.
		I know of nobody who has confirmed it is still there.
		It certainly is not functioning in any way at all.
		None of the telemetry is being heard.
		It's not doing its job as a TV repeater.
		So it's gone.
unidentified		Well, alrighty.
		I guess probably the only people that can tell wouldn't tell us if they didn't want to.
		And I pulled up a priest letter on your webpage.
		I think it was on your webpage.
		Ever hear back from that fella?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I do, you'll know.
unidentified		Alrighty, and one last thing I was just speculating, they sent up the space shuttle to do an upgrade, I guess, on the Hubble.
		On the Hubble.
		Yep.
		Just thought that might be interesting timing.
		Pure speculation, but I don't know exactly what they were upgrading it to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, probably to see comets better.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
		All right.
		Well, have a good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Yeah, they're doing an upgrade.
		Wonder what they're doing.
		They did not specifically say.
		I didn't hear what the upgrade was supposed to be.
		Maybe a new lens.
unidentified		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, is this Arbell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Well, how nice to talk to you on the phone, listening to you out here in Hawaii.
unidentified		My name is Bob, and I'm calling from the island of Kauai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		How are you doing?
unidentified		You sound different on the telephone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody tells me that, Bob.
unidentified		I suppose so.
		All right, I want to talk about that.
		Is it Antarctic or Arctic ice shelf?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Antarctic.
unidentified		Antarctic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, first thing I wanted to say was that 4,400 square miles is really, not really very big.
		The big island out here is 4,000 square miles.
		So in terms of a nice...
		Well, in terms of the whole Pacific Ocean, the amount of ice and fresh water, I don't think it's really that big.
		But what I wanted to mention was that a year ago at least, I read in Discover magazine about evidence that had been collected down there by scientists that the entire ice shelf, not the shelf, but the entire cap, the western and eastern caps, had shown evidence of having slid into the ocean on two or three occasions in the past.
		And we're talking now like the, I believe the western ice shelf is bigger than the United States, the whole continent of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, the Larson shelf, should it break up completely, which is what they're saying is going to occur, would be a precursor possibly to the rest of it.
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is quite serious, and nobody's talking about what it is going to mean.
unidentified		Well, from what I read in this article, if the eastern ice shelf, if I have it right, the smaller one was to slide into the ocean, and that was the one that the article was mainly about.
		At the end of the article, there was kind of an epilogue that said that they had recently discovered the same evidence of the western, the bigger Antarctic layer, the ice layer had a lot of significantly.
		But it said if the smaller one had slid in, besides the waves that it would produce, probably would be 1,000 feet high, but it would raise the sea level by, I think the figure was 60 feet, which would give me oceanfront property here in Kauai.
		But if the bigger ice shelf was to go, which computer models that they ran, some scientists ran and it was noted in this article, if it actually went in, that it would raise worldwide sea level by 200 feet.
		And I just this last month was reading in one of the magazines that I read, and I can't remember which one, but there is a whole article about this same thing, not so much the ice shelf, but the entire continental cap.
		And it has to do with the glacial streams that occur underneath these ice layers.
		Apparently, when melting occurs, or at least by their computer models, when melting occurs, this water accumulates underneath this ice and becomes a frictionless type of coating, a super cold, frictionless coating, which is what allows this whole cap to, in one motion, just sort of boom into the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this has surely been a cheery little call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At any rate, we'll have more information for you tomorrow night, and I very much appreciate what you've said.
unidentified		Well, I really enjoy listening to your show.
		I do think that the clicking, my own personal beliefs, is that we're not going to see anything in a major, major catastrophe.
		I mean, there have been these sorts of things that have, but as far as taking out the whole of the human population at one time, I really think that God has different plans for us.
		We're intended to become an example for a whole universe of people that have grown into spiritual truth.
		Great, that's what I don't want to cut us off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, well, I hope not, and I don't want to serve as an example.
		Remember when you were younger?
		Parents, remember getting punished?
		You wouldn't want to serve as an example.
		So God could turn to the rest of the cosmos and see.
		See?
		These things we call human beings, these two-legged things, they misbehaved.
		See what happened to them?
		You all watch the step now.
		Used to the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to talk to you off the air about staying in Wilmington sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't talk to you off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, why don't you just tell everybody?
unidentified		Well, it's going to take about 15, 20 minutes about the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you now in Wilmington?
unidentified		No, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I used to live there.
unidentified		And I have a lot of friends and family in the military that know some things that have told me, hinted a few things, enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all we know is there was a UFO sighting, or several, near Wilmington that I've got reports that a mid-50s car fell out of the sky in Wilmington.
		Literally fell out of the sky.
		Is that what you know to be true?
unidentified		I don't know so much that it's true or not.
		I do know that there are cranes down on the docks where the car is supposed to fell out.
		Also, I think I may have actually been on one of them ships.
		You know, the ships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you might have been?
unidentified		Well, it's like vague memory type thing.
unidentified		Like there might be some kind of memory erasure or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember seeing a mid-50s car on one of the ships?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you said you have friends who have been hitting or telling you things.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would rather concentrate on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have they told you?
unidentified		Well, like I say, it's too much to go into detail right now in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try me, sir.
unidentified		Well, how much longer are you going to be on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, quit asking me how much longer we're going to be on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just start talking.
unidentified		Okay, well, um, for one, if you Notice a lot of the sightings are in places where there's likely to be some kind of underground subterranean type of military installation.
unidentified		And I think personally that the UFOs might actually be our own government precaution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might be.
unidentified		And as far as the grays that you see on Dark Skies, the show, I really think that's just entertainment.
		I know that there are military installations underground.
		I've been in one that's now defunct.
		There in San Pedro.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're sure about that, or you think you might have been?
unidentified		I'm sure on being in there, it's a museum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a museum?
unidentified		Yeah, it's an old World War II.
		It's defunct.
		They've opened it up.
		I think some to do with MacArthur is in the name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Help me out here.
		What does all this have to do with a mid-50s car falling out of the sky?
unidentified		Well, it kind of relates to it.
		It could be that somebody picked up a car in a crane and flung it around.
		Or it could be that a car dropped out of the sky.
		I think all of this might just be publicity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For what?
unidentified		Well, to make us think that there's aliens and not kind of a diversion thing, you know?
unidentified		Make us think that there's aliens instead of actual Earth-originated spaceships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe then the government loaded a mid-50s car on a high-altitude transport, dumped that sucker out, comes crashing down to make us think there are aliens, to divert our attention from something else, right?
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I think I've got it.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, doesn't it?
		All right, well, it's the hour.
		We'll take a break here, and we will be back, I think.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
		Me too.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
unidentified		I'm Art Bump, back after a short...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you guys right now, you watch.
		News from Mexico is going to be coming soon.
		There's troubles down there, and we're going to be feeling it.
		Trust me when I tell you that.
		Dear Art, I believe I can estimate roughly the effect on sea level of the melting of the ice shelf.
		I heard once that if all of the ice on Earth melted, sea level would be raised about 600 feet.
		If we estimate the amount of water trapped in this ice above the surface of sea due to the accumulation of precipitation on the shelf, this might be 1 1000th to 1 5,000th of the total volume.
		In other words, the melting of this ice would raise sea level somewhere between 2 and 8 inches.
		In some coastal areas and on islands, this could have a significant effect.
		In other areas, the effect would be virtually unnoticeable.
		The addition of this volume of freshwater to the oceans probably would have very little effect overall.
		Remember, when it rains, large amounts of fresh water are deposited on the surface of the ocean.
		That certainly is true, but not in this kind of amount all at once.
		I'm not sure how the assimilation of that would be.
		Mike in San Jose.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is West of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Robert from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're definitely West of the Rockies, Robert.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		I'm calling from North Island Navy Station in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, last time I was on your show was about three years ago when I won a debate that Fred was our great president.
		It's been a while.
		I have an interesting theory for you about UFOs and aliens.
		You know, Carl Sagan didn't really believe in a popular belief of aliens.
		You know, he moved in life in Outer Space, but believes that the odds of life in Outer Space evolving to look like they do in popular fiction is probably a million to one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, only if we could if we could only ask Carl Sagan now, he would have those answers.
unidentified		Well, I think I have an answer for him.
		I've been thinking if when you look at the drawings of aliens and what people think they look like, they pretty much look like us.
		And it's not heads and teeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the eyes are a little different.
unidentified		But they're bipach, you know, bipodal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		So I'm thinking maybe that the aliens are not coming from outer space, that they're actually from Earth.
		They're somewhere on Earth, we can't find them, or they came from Earth and left Earth a long time ago.
		But in any event, they are from the product of the same evolution that we are from, and that's why they look as they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's as good a theory as anybody's.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That they have a loose relationship to us.
		Or it may be that on planets with a reasonable gravity, that which wouldn't crush you and make you into a pancake, or that where you'd be so light you'd be taken 25 feet, 25 foot jumps into the air, but planets with similar amounts of gravity would tend to evolve creatures that would be, at least in some respects, similar to humans.
		I mean, that makes sense, I think.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, it's Greg from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Greg.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Got a theory about the ice bank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Melting.
		Kind of ties in with what Major Dan was saying about the plant pathogen.
		Yes.
		And how we'll end up resorting to fish in the oceans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In the ice bank, I suppose there's some ancient, possibly, virus or something in the ice that, as it melts, will be released into the ocean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		You know, just an idea, but that might be a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A long, frozen virus that will suddenly be released into the ocean.
unidentified		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably killing all the plankton.
unidentified		Possibly creating disaster down the food chain and so forth.
		So if that ties in with our lack of food outside of the ocean, you know, that would.
		Anyway.
		And also about the, just wanted to mention the movie Asteroid coming out.
		Yes.
		On TV?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This coming Sunday and Monday.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And just wanted to mention that part of it was filmed here in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So they had torn down a mall and actually they scattered out that site to use it as part of the shots for after the impact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking forward to the movie.
		I just wonder, thank you for the call.
		With all of the news about asteroids, and I've got a lot of news sitting right here and I've been kind of holding it because it is something we are going to discuss tomorrow night.
		I'm a little s is it wrong to be suspicious?
		I mean all of a sudden we're told that they have found a near-Earth asteroid that has the possibility, a very short return time of hitting Earth.
		Now, we've got a movie, or we've had many movies, actually, about this kind of thing.
		And I am frankly and honestly a little suspicious.
		Should I be?
		Do I have a reason to be?
unidentified		Are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like fiction preceding reality or a known reality being presented as fiction to accustom us to the idea.
		So when the sucker hits, we'll say, oh yeah, an asteroid.
		Now, I know that sounds a little paranoid, and maybe it is, but I find it a little more than just simply coincidental.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		Art, I want to talk about a subject that was probably four months old.
		All right.
		What it was, was, I think a guy with a camper that was doing water injection and said he got, excuse me, walk, like 45 miles to the gallon out of the thing or something.
		I know that's a long ways back.
		You were fascinated by the fact that he was burning about, I think, eight gallons of water for one gallon of gas or something like that.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, I was going to mention that I think, you know, I'm not a physics expert, but a vehicle can actually generate as much as 15 gallons of water for every gallon of gas it burns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that might be right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can look at a tailpipe and you'll see water dripping out of it.
unidentified		Yeah, runs out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, you know, the point I wanted to make on that was that, you know, it's not an exceptional thing.
unidentified		I, you know, didn't want to say that, or I wanted to say that, you know, no big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you even a bigger no big deal.
		I've got a geometro out here.
		I get almost 60 miles to the gallon, and I don't even put water in it.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, and you don't need to.
		How about that?
		I think the reason for water injection, and it's a good one, if you look into the aircraft industry in the past anyway, and probably even currently, is that water injection, what it tends to do is knock out the carbon in a motor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And so if you've got highly leaded gases, which are typically aircraft, you know, and if you look at aircraft, it's not untypical to see water injection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the use of kerosene and jet aircraft, you mean?
unidentified		No, no, no, I'm talking about your.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Piston engine conventional aircraft.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		Is that I think typically what happens is that when you get the highly leaded gases, if you throw a little water in there, it helps to keep the carbon free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard that.
		And more completely burns the fuel and a lot of other things.
		I'm familiar with that.
		I've got a question I want to ask some of you who know about aircraft.
		The use of kerosene, of course, in jet aircraft.
		And the reason I mention that is sitting in a 737 the other day, I was nearly overwhelmed with the smell of kerosene, which, of course, is what the jet was using.
		But it was very, very strong.
		And a great deal of kerosene is burned.
		And I'm not sure how completely the kerosene is burned.
		An awful lot of it must be residual in the atmosphere as a jet makes passage.
		And I would like to ask if, A, that really is true.
		And B, what effects ecologically that would have?
		Is that a hard question?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		There's a movie that I would suggest you watch.
		I recorded it last night.
		I don't know if it's in the store or anything, but it's called Woop's Apocalypse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And it's a comedy.
		And I'm sort of screening it now again for the fourth time in two nights, but it is so funny.
		It is so funny.
		It's sort of a spoof on the Falklands War in the 80s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I reckon.
unidentified		And it's just total comedy, and it has some good stars in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who's running it?
unidentified		Who's running it?
		Yeah.
		Who's in the show, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you taped it.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sort of watching it now, and I just turned it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You taped it off of what?
unidentified		Oh, off of television.
unidentified		It was off the comedy channel last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I wanted to know.
unidentified		But don't let anyone tell you the end because it's very surprising, and it stars Loretta Swid as president.
		But every inch of it is totally funny, I tell you.
		And just get a check of it.
		And then something else, let's see, I talked with someone who was over from China recently, last night, and I asked him about the pyramids that are supposed to be over there.
		And he did not know anything about it, but surprisingly, without him even knowing of my interest in your show or UFOs, he said, but there are UFOs.
		And so I'm going to talk to him again maybe later on and try to ask more questions very carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I would appreciate that.
		There's also a lot of news coming from China.
		And it's not good.
		The Communist Chinese have already squarely indicated that the people in Hong Kong can kiss off their civil rights.
		And there's going to be a big crackdown.
		Hong Kong is going to be taken over in July.
		And I'm going to have a guest on, as a matter of fact, I'm looking for a good guest on the takeover of Hong Kong.
		What a sad, sad thing this is going to be.
		Yes, the communists will maintain some sort of economic open door to the West through Hong Kong, I'm sure.
		But for the many residents of Hong Kong, life is about to change drastically and sadly.
		And I think that I would not go back to Hong Kong.
		It was a very, very happy place when I was there a couple of years ago.
		And Communist China was a very, very unhappy place.
		And the only real difference, other than a substantial economic difference, would be the government that was running these places.
		And when the government in Hong Kong is the same as that in Communist China, there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people.
		It's just not going to be the same place.
		So I'm going to have a guest about that.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Missed you.
		West of the Rockies.
		On the air, good morning.
unidentified		Hey, this is the Italian Stadium.
		Yes.
		Quadrification, good?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		Hey, I have two things I'm really concerned with.
		First of all, all the military craft that have been brushing against our passenger airliners, and I feel that's real strange, and I think it's been going on for a lot of years.
		And not only that, I think our passenger airlines having the radar detection on them, I don't think the military aircraft would, you know, that the military would ever admit it, you know, unless we had those kind of instruments on the plane.
		And I just kind of wondering why is that happening all the time?
		And the 800 flight, I think really, I really believe that it was shot down and our government is denying the whole thing.
		I really, in my heart, believe that it was shot down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where do you think the proof of that is?
unidentified		There's proof of it, but they're not going to let it out.
		If they ever let something like that out, you could see what would happen to...
		Just because of the news lately about how these fighter aircraft are coming out of nowhere and brushing against, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what does that have to do with the shootdown of a civilian plane?
unidentified		Well, I believe there's a lot of gung-ho fighter pilots out there that are just coming, you know, against some of these passenger airlines.
unidentified		I really think that, you know, that shouldn't happen at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think some gung-ho fighter pilot shot it down, shot it down?
unidentified		I really believe that, and our government would never admit it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For the fun of it?
unidentified		Not For the fun of it, but I don't know.
		You know, I'm not sure what's going on, but why is this happening now?
		And why is it they're looking into like Texas and what New York it was, somewhere off the Florida or somewhere it was the I know, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, the last I heard with regard to Flight 800 is once again, they're holding all three options open.
		Mechanical problems, a missile, blah, blah, blah.
		All options are being held open, according to the FBI.
		The story keeps changing.
		Well, we're going to break here.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
		All right.
		Good morning, everybody.
		It's great to be here.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Now, listen, I'm just going to read this to you because this is the home of the strange, and I would like to run it by you.
		It comes from Mark, who faxes from La Salva Beach, La Salva Beach, California.
		My dear art, recently I went to the doctor complaining of muscle twitching in my eyelids.
		I experienced this briefly a few months ago, and again over the last two weeks.
		I thought it was just stress the first time, but this time there wasn't anything causing stress in my life.
		So I thought I'd have a doctor check it out.
		The nurse took me into one of the examination rooms and asked what brought me in that morning.
		So I told her about the twitching.
		She just smiled and said, we've been getting a lot of that lately.
		She assured me it was probably nothing.
		A good friend of hers, in fact, had been experiencing the same thing.
		What gives art?
		Could you please ask some of your listeners if any of them are experiencing similar symptoms?
		Thanks, Mark from Lusalva Beach, California.
		What about it, folks?
		Anybody else out there have an unaccounted for Twitch?
		All right, back to the lines and east of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Dora from Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Okay.
		You're not very strong, so you're going to have to get into that phone.
unidentified		I'm going to speak to the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
unidentified		Okay.
		I heard your phrase, the OBE experience.
		Mm-hmm.
		So one thing, after listening to your show, I was greatly relieved because every once in a while a voice would say, you know, Dora.
		And clear as the bell, first thing in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call your name?
unidentified		Call my name.
		It is startling, extremely startling.
		But what's even more strange is any morning, I will look at the clock before I wake up.
		And this actually happened at the map of the night.
		And looked at the clock.
		It was 9 p.m.
		And then my sister called me, I woke up, and looked at the clock.
		It was 9 p.m.
		So very it happens very frequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know how that exactly relates to OBEs, thank you.
		I do know this.
		I have the ability to wake up, and I think a lot of people can do this.
		I can program myself to wake up exactly when I want to.
unidentified		To the minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I decide before I go to sleep, I want to be up at a certain time, I wake up.
		I look at the clock, and it's like an internal alarm clock went off.
		Now, I've only been able to do that as an adult.
		When I was a child, you couldn't get me out of bed with a stick of dynamite.
		I mean, I could sleep through people pounding on me.
		And I was always late to this or that because I would oversleep, and for the life of me, alarm clocks, they meant nothing.
		I would either turn them off and not remember that I did it.
		But now as an adult, the exact opposite.
unidentified		I can wake up like that on a dime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Rfel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, was it true?
unidentified		Someone told me you had a show about someone, about reptilian aliens, women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, this is really strange because I was telling a friend of mine about my girlfriend who recently left me.
		And she gave me this story that this was the reason why she left me.
		That she had a reptilian-something boyfriend.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		And I was telling you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When she said that to you, how did you take it?
unidentified		I was clever guessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Being left for a lizard is a real bummer.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Essentially a lizard.
unidentified		I mean, if this is happening Quite a bit.
unidentified		We're all in danger, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I know it's an old twist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But frankly, any woman who would leave you for a lizard, you don't want her anyway.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
unidentified		But it was a strange story, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She actually came to you.
unidentified		Very detailed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She actually came to you.
unidentified		Well, she gave this as the reason why she left me.
		Yeah.
		I don't know.
		I guess I couldn't compare her to a lizard, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I realize it would be hard to take.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to tell you.
		We had a girl named Pam on, Pam, and she claimed to have a lizard lover.
		Really?
		Yes, which she claimed was superior to any human lover she had ever had.
unidentified		That's similar to what I was told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Now, do you think all this stuff is true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, but it seems exceptionally cruel, whether it's true or not, for your girlfriend, X now, to have told you this.
		I mean, she could have made up something better, like a human guy.
		I mean, then gone off to her lizard, and you wouldn't have been shocked.
unidentified		Well, she says they're better than humans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I keep hearing it, too.
		It says, whale of a tail.
unidentified		Willow tail.
		Maybe you should ask other people if this is how it works.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do that, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And as I said, the only comfort that I can possibly give you is that any woman who would leave somebody like yourself for a lizard, well, you're better off without her.
		That's just sort of a new twist on an old tale.
		No pun intended.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you.
unidentified		I wanted to make a comment about the caller who just mentioned hearing his name in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I've read that in the book, that that is a common symptom of people having, it's a precursor to an OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes, in addition to, like, hearing chimes or wind or roar, hearing, like, an eerie calling of your name.
		And also on that subject, I just thought you'd be interested.
		I never had any OBEs until listening to your show.
		Yes.
		Within two days of starting to listen to your show, you had on Al Taylor.
		Correct.
		And I started having OBEs.
		I had about three of them in one week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that being conscious of the fact that it can occur subconsciously has probably allowed you to begin to have them.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And let me make one more comment because I've been trying to have them for months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then do you thank us or curse us?
unidentified		Oh, I thank you.
		It's a real exciting experience.
		I've been trying to have them more frequently.
		But the funny thing is, I went for months without having any of them.
		And then just last week, you had a replay of Al Taylor on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here we went again, huh?
unidentified		Listen to this.
		I was just about to have one.
		Your show was still on.
		I fell asleep.
		No insult there.
		And I was conscious.
		And listening to your show, as I was in the pre-stage, where you get into the vibratory stage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that I know about.
unidentified		And you just happened to be on the subject of the entity.
unidentified		And the fear scared me away from floating out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess since you like them, that's bad.
unidentified		That's true.
		You have to really get past the fear, though.
		That's really the obstacle, like people were saying, once you're there, it's all your imagination and the power of your mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very true.
		All right, my friend.
		Thank you, and good travels to you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		Let's see.
		I live here in Peru.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		I live here in Peru.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live in Peru?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I have a friend that saw the same craft you saw about the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And also my wife and I, we were driving across this valley and we saw, I've been out here for several years.
		And we saw two lights that were green.
		And they traveled across the valley real fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, believe me, sir, you're not alone.
		We have, as you all know, this is an area where all kinds of things are going on.
		From there or here, I don't know.
		But in the Paramp Valley, many, many things are seen.
		And everybody in the valley who's been here for any period of time has seen them.
		A lot of people don't talk about them at all.
		I don't blame them.
		But this is an area of, let's see, how west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Lord.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		My name is Kirid from L.A. Yes, sir.
		Do you have a pen in front of you?
		I want to write down a number so you can see it in front of you.
		All right.
		Okay.
		It's 6, 0, 0, 2, 0, 2, 0, 2, 0, 6.
		That's the approximate population of the world in April.
		You know, when we started the year, when we started last year, we were at 5.5 billion.
		Yes.
		You're familiar with the Bible, the mark of the beast, I'm sure you've heard about that a bunch of times.
		It says, for he who has knowledge, let him know that the number is 666.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we have 6 and then 6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then 3 2s, which is a 6, and then another 6 at the end.
unidentified		It says 6, 3, score, and 6.
		Yes.
		For he who has knowledge, which means it's not exactly the way it's written.
		There's something that you have to figure out this.
		If you write out that number as, I'm sorry, it's 600, 3 score, and 6.
		If you write out that number, 600, 3 score, which is 320s, and then 6, you have the population in April.
		Cool.
		Just thought it might be a little interesting for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometime in April.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't know, of course, exactly when.
unidentified		April, May, or June, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		April, May, or June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the spring, sometime.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that probably is when the guff is going to run out of new souls.
		And then, of course, all the tribulation will begin.
		Frogs will rain from the sky, many-legged frogs, followed by the end of everything.
unidentified		Well, maybe, maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		End of time.
unidentified		It's just a fun idea to play with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or it's just a number.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		I love my numerologists out there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Rose.
		Art says Rose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I beg your pardon?
unidentified		My name is Rose.
unidentified		I'm at El Paso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rose in El Paso.
unidentified		Rye, I sent you a postcard about my cat, Bartie, who saved me for a burglar.
unidentified		Anyhow, I was wondering what the station is insidewise where we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the station is not yet.
		Not yet.
		It's going to be at 10,000 water in San Juan.
unidentified		Okay, well, I see I have friends there.
unidentified		And I want to let them know because.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tell them we're coming.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Soon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soon.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
unidentified		Yep, bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, yes.
		This is Horace.
		I'm glad to have you back from vacation, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you, Horace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to be back.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Horace?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Yes, are you in the mood for a, how do you say, when someone tells something that's happened in their company, a whistleblower?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you're a whistleblower?
unidentified		Well, I decided to be tonight, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Horace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blow your whistle.
unidentified		Well, first of all, you know, my sister worked for William Paley back in the mid-60s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		She did.
		Cool.
		For CBS for quite a few years there.
		Right.
		And I now work, believe it or not, for ABC back east.
		I'm in Seattle right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a traitor horse.
unidentified		And some of the shop talk around there is quite interesting.
unidentified		You know, I heard on your program not too long ago where you're saying that the national news has not really reported the, what is the title 50?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, guess what, Art?
unidentified		They know about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do.
unidentified		They do.
		And what the deal is here, Art, is that you know that all three of the network anchors know about this.
		But they are not allowed to broadcast it because the chairpersons of the corporation that owns the broadcast company will not let them.
		Keep it on a pretty short leash there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about Fox?
unidentified		Fox.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fox will do anything.
unidentified		I don't know about Fox.
unidentified		I do know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about CNN?
unidentified		Will Blitzer, in the mail here, is Wilf Blitzer knows about it, and he's trying to find out some way to let it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They won't they keep I have no problem talking about it.
		I talk about it all the time.
		Of course they might kill me, but they haven't yet.
unidentified		Well, you know, the thing is that they've got, there's three, what they call the three runaway cannons in this whole area here.
		Is Ted Coppel and you know, let's see, I'm a little nervous here.
		I never called him before.
		You know, the, what's the gentleman that has the David Brinkley program now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nobody really has it now.
		I mean, it's Cokie Roberts and a company.
		As a matter of fact, they're talking about having somebody take over Brinkley.
		I'm trying to recall who it was.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Well, for some reason, I might just say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about Sam Donaldson?
unidentified		Sam Donaldson, yes.
		Okay.
		And Sam Donaldson and Walter Cronkite have got wind of this, but they don't know exactly what it is.
		Now, I called Cornell University, and they told me the name of the person that sponsored this bill, and you'll never guess, our friend Bill.
		Bill Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know how he could have done that, because it was originally instituted, this U.S. Code, back in the 50s, and Bill Clinton was just a political gleam in somebody's eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how could he have done that?
unidentified		No, according to what they've been talking about, it was passed two years ago.
		No.
		Two years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's wrong.
unidentified		Well, then we've been getting some bad information in here from Cornell because that's what they apprised us of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it was either in the 50s or the 60s.
		Somebody will tell us, but I assure you it was not a Bill Clinton baby.
		So you can blame that one on somebody, but I don't think Bill Clinton.
		Anyway, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Christian.
unidentified		I'm calling from Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I had a couple questions for you.
		I work at night, so I listen to your show.
		I'm just a recent listener, so my questions are from tonight.
		One of them was you were talking about the Lysen Ice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's going to be a subject of more depth tomorrow night.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		One of your colleagues said that if they were to melt, it could raise the ocean level 200 feet, what would that do to the structure of the United States?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt that it would bother the people in El Paso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, if you're in Manhattan or LA or San Diego or Seattle, you probably have a pretty big problem.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		The other question I have was, you were talking about some creature or something inside with a C?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chupa cobra.
unidentified		That's it.
unidentified		What is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's something you never want to meet on a dark night.
		It is a creature with large red eyes, the ability to move at about 60 miles an hour, three large claws in front, and it drains animals of all their blood.
		How's that, sir?
unidentified		Great.
		Great.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever pleases you, sir.
unidentified		He likes that, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glowing red eyes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Okay, let me get on radio.
		Okay.
		I have a comment about the ice shelf melting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I would be more concerned with the waste dispersion.
		4,400 square miles of ice has got to weigh something.
		And if that much weight is taken off of one particular point on the globe, Well, yeah, that would be my fear.
		I mean, I'm not exactly a physicist or anything, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a rocket scientist?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I split a few particles on the subatomic level, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, heaven knows it would be horrible if we began to wobble.
unidentified		Yeah, the white factors would concern me a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems to me, yes, we'll talk more about it tomorrow night.
		I honestly don't know what the implications are.
		And it's the one thing they're not talking about.
		Isn't that interesting?
		I've got a number of stories here on this ice shelf cracking and melting.
		But I have no stories.
		I mean, I've got stories absolutely definitively saying it is occurring.
		But no stories telling us what it will do.
		Maybe they don't know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
		This is Paul from Green Bay.
		Hi, Paul.
		Hey, how are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		I just wanted to ask you a question about the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's not an easy one.
		I just want to know what would you do if you had the power to either stop it or keep it from happening, even if you knew that it was something that was meant to be?
		Would you do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I don't think so.
		To directly answer your question, I don't think so.
		I think that whatever is occurring is supposed to occur.
		That doesn't mean that it's going to be a positive outcome for everybody concerned, but I think we're headed toward a change that must occur.
		And, you know, it's the old line about not messing around with Mother Nature.
unidentified		Yes, yes, I understand.
		That's a hard thing that someone would have to deal with, right?
		You have a good day, and God bless you in your house, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
		Take care.
		That's as direct an answer as I can give.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with almost no time.
		Where are you?
unidentified		In San Diego, Norman, San Diego.
unidentified		I think the melting of the ice will cause a polar shift because of the weight between the land and the water so carefully balanced right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be looking into this more and more.
unidentified		Listen, say what must be said.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, Ersoline knows how to do it from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert, new home of the Chupacabra.

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