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Jan. 21, 1997 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I would like to bid you good evening, good morning, as the case may be across this great land of ours, from the Asian and Hawaiian Island chains in the west, eastward across wine over country to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the pole and worldwide on the internet.
		This is coast and close a.m.
		Mark Bell.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
		It's going to be open wines again tonight.
		And tomorrow night.
		I know a lot of you have been waiting for this.
unidentified		Wayne Green.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		73 magazine, Wayne Green.
unidentified		He is an absolutely fascinating character.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you will enjoy him from ham radio to health to aliens to you name it.
		We'll talk about it tomorrow night with Wayne Green.
		He is full of all kinds of energy on all kinds of subjects, and he's a lot of fun.
		You're not going to want to miss that.
		Recalling for you that on the 30th, we're going to have Major Ed Danes, who is a remote viewer, has been in Hawaii, has a major announcement, he says, that he wants to break on this program.
		So that's coming up.
		And then on the 28th, I've got Scott, and I'm going to have a tough time with his last name, Quartz Lean, I believe it is, who has testified in front of the U.S. Senate and the NRC about nuclear safety,
		and actually not about nuclear safety, about the fact that he thought Three Mile Island was sabotage and about exactly how much bomb-grade material is actually out there, cobalt-60 barium.
		You know, he says that this last Thursday, they intercepted one ton, I said a ton of cobalt-60 barium going from the U.S. to Mexico, from the U.S. to Mexico.
		So we'll talk with him on the 28th.
		And I am also booking a, or at least I believe I'm going to, he's in the middle of talking to his parishioners about it, a priest who is convinced that UFOs, including, by the way, an experience that he had, of course, are demonic and are part of, and he agrees with, what I call the quickening.
		However, he believes that it's the end times.
		Same scenario, different name.
		I think you'll be amazed.
		Now, the U.S. House made history Tuesday quietly and in a restrained manner by voting to reprimand Speaker Newt Gingrich and fine him $300,000 for ethics violations.
		Question now is where he gets the money.
		Will he be able to dip into his campaign funds left over to pay the fine?
		Or should he pay it out of his own pocket?
		Now, if you donated or had donated to the Newt Gingrich re-election campaign and he used that money to pay his fine, would you be unhappy?
		Or would you think your money was going to good use?
		Not a lot of other news.
		The teen sweethearts accused of murder are out on $300,000 bail each.
		Amy Grossberg and Brian Peterson released Tuesday, but remain under house arrest.
		Yeltsin is in more trouble.
		He's fighting to regain his health, and he may soon find himself fighting to keep his job.
		Russia's lower house of parliament Wednesday will discuss whether Yeltsin can be forced to step down because he is ill.
		Interesting, I wonder who would take over and what they would be all about.
		The shuttle Atlantis is due to touchdown at about 7.47 a.m. Eastern Time.
		Now that could be interesting.
		And I would like to know if anybody out there knows what the path is going to be.
		That means 4.47 Pacific.
		And earlier than that, see it pass this Pacific area.
		So sometimes when the shuttle comes back, it puts on a whale of a show.
		Parents who think their kids are, or might be, using drugs now have a new way to test their suspicions.
		Now, is it moral?
		Is it ethical?
		In other words, you can hand your kid a little urine collection sample folder and say, here go fill this, and send it into a government-approved testing center.
		There they will pour over it to try to find marijuana, PCP, speed, cocaine, heroin, codeine, And morphine.
		And if they find it, presumably they report that back to you, and you get to deal with it the way you want.
		Is it ethical?
		Is it proper?
		Could you really ask your child with a straight face to do it?
		Would it be embarrassing for you, for them?
		Would it be an invasion of privacy?
		Well, no, because they're kids.
		So what do you think of the idea of home testing?
		I was shocked to learn that here in the Parump Valley, we had a 3.9 earthquake Friday morning.
		I never felt a thing, not one thing.
		But we did have one, so I guess we must have a fault here someplace.
		This is interesting.
		Initial results of a survey of 1,200 veterans conducted by Democratic Senator Donald Regal of Michigan indicate that Gulf War syndrome may be contagious.
		According to the senator's office, 78% of Gulf War veteran spouses, 25% of the children born before the Gulf War, and 65% born since, show symptoms of the mysterious disease.
		Wow.
		78% of the spouses?
		According to a spokesman for Senator Regal, the survey demonstrates that Gopor syndrome is transmissible and it rules out some of the possible causes.
		It is not post-traumatic stress.
		It's got to be some kind of viral or bacterial infection.
		Our focus is on chemical or biological agents.
		So again, more evidence that what Nurse Riley has been saying is exactly right.
		Now I'm not an expert on chemical warfare, but I believe that chemical exposure is not transmissible.
		Therefore, that would indicate, so would this survey, that we've got something on our hands here in the country now brought back that is not just the Gulf War vets, but potentially everybody.
		And as there are divorces and remarriages and various mixtures of all sorts that we all know go on, it may spread and spread and spread.
		And somebody out there who had not a thing to do with the Gulf War other than reading the headlines and watching it on CNN may find themselves down with something they have no idea how to cure.
		Nor any idea what it is.
	Anyway, open lines tonight, folks.
	Anything that is on your mind is fair game, and then as I said, tomorrow night, we will switch gears, and I think you will really, really enjoy Wayne Green, particularly if you've never heard him.
unidentified		Or if you have, you know what you're in for.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the bones, west of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, I was wondering, do you have any...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll wait while you turn that radio off.
unidentified		It's on my phone.
unidentified		Let me sit phones, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The radio is on her phone.
		Interesting.
		That's a radio, clearly.
		Well, we'll just hold on for a second here.
		Okay.
		Are you there?
		I guess she can't get it together.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Hi.
		This deal about Newton Gingrich?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		$300,000?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$300,000.
unidentified		They should make sure that it comes out of his own personal fund.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said he had to pay it himself.
unidentified		Yep.
		Because, you know, he's getting fine, not his campaign fund.
		So it should come out of his own personal fund.
		And somehow makes sure that his campaign fund doesn't get paid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well, here is somebody's top 10 list of places where you can get the money.
		Ken.
		Donate simply 10,000 pints of plasma at the D.C. Blood Bank.
		Masquerade as a cameraman photographing Dennis Rodman at the Chicago Bulls basketball games.
		Junk it to three generous Buddhist temples.
		Allah Al-Gore.
		Open after-hours lemonade stand in the seedier parts of D.C. Remote View Wednesday night's Powerball numbers.
		Now, that's good.
		Audition for Laprina spokesman.
		When the U.S. Speaker gets his hands caught in the cookie jar, he reaches for Laprina.
		Open up the Treasury printing presses.
		Set up three-card Monty Racket in the Capitol Building Rotunda.
		Or start one 900-number service, the naughty pages of Congress.
		And finally, take the Hillary Rodham trash course in Arkansas Realty Development and Kettle Futures.
		Thank you, Mark.
		$300,000 easily by any of those methods.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Dars.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Fritz.
unidentified		Well, I'm very proud of you that you straightened out this remote film disaster with Hellbob, and you did a pretty good job, I would say.
		You trashed Courtney Brown.
		He deserves it.
		And anybody who bought his book, Cosmic Watch, you just throw it in the trash can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fritz?
		Fritz?
		Yes.
		If any trashing was done, Courtney Brown trashed himself.
unidentified		Well, I would go along with this, yes.
unidentified		But like you said, the bug stops with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, he has put a statement up, which we have linked to on our webpage explaining everything.
unidentified		So if you want to read Courtney's latest statement, I'm afraid there's too much damage done on remote film and it will take years before it will ever come out again the way it was supposed to be presented.
		But he just wrapped himself with his own fantasy.
		And I would say also, 8th Thames, if you're listening, walk very carefully because he made a lot of mistakes to edge.
		Of course, the people out there really don't realize what is being said when we're talking ancient civilization down in New Mexico, what was supposed to be discovered in 93 by August.
		And 8th Tam said, quote, if we don't have them by the August, end of August, we're going to go out of the UFO game.
		Well, At Temps are listening.
		I hope you get out of the UFO game because too many mistakes were made.
		The arena is too full with charlatans and Suits here.
		We need somebody respectable in that field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's hard to even declare it.
		Thank you, Veritz, a respectable field.
		It doesn't mean for one second that I'm going to stop looking into it.
		I'm not.
		You see, once you've had an experience, as I have had, once you have really, really seen something close up, it will change you.
		Now, look, I didn't see something until I was almost 50, and I'm 51.
		But I saw it, folks, close up, real as a heart attack.
		And so I know there is something there.
		I don't know what it is, but I know there is something to all this.
		It's not all baloney.
		If some of it is, then that is to be expected because we're dealing with something you, well, as I say in Dreamland, that you can't quite fit into a neat little box.
		Not all the proof is there, and there's going to be a lot of sifting that you've got to do.
		But make no mistake about it.
		There is something out there.
		I saw it.
		You may.
		You may have seen one.
		You may not ever see one.
		I don't know.
		But there is something there.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Eric.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going.
unidentified		That's good.
		I have a couple of things for you.
		First of all, ways back, you know those little FM transmitters you were selling?
		Yes.
		I've got one of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty neat, huh?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, they are.
		Yeah, they are.
		But I was wondering if there's any way, since you know a lot about radios, to amplify the transmission of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if I were to give you that information, I would be in violation of the FCC's laws.
unidentified		Well, could you give me the name of a book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Regulations, actually.
		No, I mean, this, look, let me put it to you this way, all right?
		This is not a question you should be asking me on the air.
		Do you follow me?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me ask you one, since you've asked me one.
		Suppose you had more power.
		Suppose you could transmit a mile, two miles, five miles, ten miles.
		How far would you want to go?
unidentified		Actually, first I'd want to go about a quarter of a mile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quarter of a mile?
unidentified		Because what I'd do is I'd put it in my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, in your car?
unidentified		See, that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I get the picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can be a mobile pirate station, huh?
unidentified		No, what I do is I put it on the radio station I don't like.
		And then when these people come by blasting their music on the station I don't like, you know, it gets overridden by my music.
		Ah.
		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, when a ghetto blaster type vehicle pulls up next to you with some heart-pounding, throbbing, who knows what, you simply zoom in, blot out their music, and play your own.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're an original thinker, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you'll contact me privately, I might just have to help you out.
unidentified		All right.
		All right.
		Thank you much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for calling.
		There's an original idea.
		The old thumping rapping music pulls up next to you at about 100 decibels.
		And you simply reach over, click the on switch, tune it until you instead hear the opera music suddenly coming from their hundred decibel throbbing speakers.
		There is justice in the world, isn't there?
		Let's break here.
		You're listening to the American CBC Radio Network.
		Open lines.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, Steve.
		Yeah.
		Or this is Steve in Tempe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tempe, Arizona.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Steve.
unidentified		I think that you are the best, and this show is the finest show on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
unidentified		Of all time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and you have your radio on, don't you?
unidentified		Yes, but it is not on to the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're calling me up to tell me my show is best, but you're listening to somebody else.
unidentified		Well, that's only because I don't get this show until after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until after midnight, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		I appreciate the kind words.
		And I do understand.
		You begin at midnight.
		All right, East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, it's Gary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Gary.
unidentified		Twin City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Reason for the call.
unidentified		I'm not a long-time listener Of yours, but I recently found you because I watched a show called Strange Universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And just the other night I saw another episode of it, and they were talking about this place called the Mystery Spot, and it was in, I believe, someplace in California, Santa Cruz or another.
unidentified		It's like an anti-gravity area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there are anomalous areas on Earth.
		Magnetic anomaly areas.
		Some call them vortexes, whatever you want to call them.
		Areas of magnetic disruption.
unidentified		Right on.
		Well, they were talking about different types of a pyramid that was buried underneath it and this supercomputer that was, this guy was all whacked out.
		And I'd never heard of that guy before.
		And I was just curious if you happened to seen that episode or something of the listeners maybe have happened to caught it and knew who he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, I didn't see the episode, but he sounds like my kind of guy.
		Maybe I'll give, you know, I know the people over there, obviously.
		So I'll give him a call and see who it is.
unidentified		Hey, thanks a lot.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		Take care.
		That was kind of fun.
		what we did on the strange universe.
		They want me to do another Dark Skies.
		You know, I just grew my mustache back.
		It just now really got to the point where, you know, I got to trim it once, and I got it right back where it should be.
		And, of course, I would come back again as William Cayley in an episode coming up.
		This time, they say, two seams.
		I would be in two seams.
		But it, of course, would require shaving my mustache again.
		And I don't know about that.
		We'll see.
		I felt, you know, those guys know about this.
		I mean, if you have some kind of facial hair, mustache, or beard, I just have a mustache, but you feel so utterly naked without it.
		And I had not shaved it in all those years, and to face having to shave it again, I don't know.
		Wild Card Lahan, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I was kind of puzzled about something with this Courtney Brown situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I know when Oliver Hynot was on, he was saying that the film size of his pictures from the University of Hawaii were the same as Courtney Brown's pictures that you put up on the web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I realized yesterday what the situation probably was, because if you go through a photographic film, you know, he's going to put it on, somebody's going to put it on film and somebody else is going to take it off film and the probability of getting the same resolution back off is tremendously small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless that is, you happen to pull the photograph off the website.
		But that issue completely aside, that photograph had to be taken from Hawaii within minutes of when it was taken.
		That photograph, without any ability to argue, is the same photograph as the one that I received from Courtney Brown.
unidentified		I know, but here's the second point.
		Here's my big point.
		What I'm really going to get to is saying that this went through the intermediary of film.
		This was a direct digital transmission from the original digital signal from his CCD display through Courtney Brown to your website because the reason I'm saying that is the cell size is the same on the two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And the only way that's going to happen is if you don't go through an analog intermediate stage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, there's no question about it.
unidentified		So this business about going through film is the part that doesn't stand up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't stand up anyway because it was taken from Hawaii at that time.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I don't deny that it's a funny picture.
unidentified		All I'm saying is that it didn't even go through film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would recommend that you read Mr. Brown's statement.
		We have a link to it on our webpage now.
		And in it, you see, when we did the show with Whitley Streeber, Courtney Brown and myself, last week, Whitley reasonably suggested that there be a private examination of the film that Courtney Brown said he had.
		Courtney Brown, in his statement, is refusing, publicly or privately, to release any of that film.
		So such an examination is not going to be possible.
		He will not pursue the examination nor the trail of evidence with regard to any physical evidence.
		And that is in his statement.
		Now you can go read it for yourself.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once, going twice, gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good luck.
unidentified		Evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		Yeah, I hear you're going to have a minister on that's going to talk about how all the extraterrestrials are demons and stuff.
		Yep.
		Isn't that kind of counterproductive?
		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I will have anybody with any point of view on the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you've been listening for long enough now, you should know that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I've been doing a reverse school, reverse speech on the conversation with Courtney Brown and all that.
unidentified		I know that very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so there you are.
		No, it's not, no, it's not counterproductive.
		Counter views are never counterproductive.
unidentified		Oh, okay, because, you know, I thought, you know, we were making a lot of progress as far as bringing them out into the light so everybody could see they're not this big scary thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The light, sir, shines brightest when you get all sides of a question.
unidentified		True.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah.
		I just kind of wondered about that, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you know.
		That's the way I feel about it.
		I don't mind having anybody on on any subject, whether or not I agree with them.
		If you're afraid of that, then you're not shining light.
		You've just got a little laser and you're just concentrating on that which you believe and trying to back that up and not listening to anything else.
		Not good.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Okay, I just turned off my radio.
unidentified		This is Alan calling from Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm calling from my cell phone.
unidentified		This is great to talk to 8 million people for my little sailboat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a sailboat in Hawaii.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I've talked to you once before, but I was very nervous then.
		I'm a little less nervous now.
		Good.
		But I'm reading a book called Moonshot, and it's just a fascinating read.
		I'm 12 and 60, so a lot of this was when I was a kid, and I really didn't know about it.
		If you could get more astronauts, Edgar Mitchell was good.
		It would be really fascinating to hear any kind of further interviews.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Funny thing is, they don't talk a lot about it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we'll do what we can.
unidentified		Yeah, it's really, very fascinating.
unidentified		Thanks very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		It seems to me I'm due to interview the author of Moonshot.
		I've got so much stuff sitting here.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is Patrick in Mesa, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi.
		I wanted to ask you about something that I heard on your show a couple of months ago, I believe.
		You were talking about possibly setting up a dream database on the web or something like that.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not personally setting it up.
		We've got enough web work going on.
		But I thought it would be a really, really, really good idea if there was a central place where people could register their dreams.
		You know, some kind of short version.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we could get an idea if we were getting mass similar dreams.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Because, and I'm sure this is common in lots of people.
		I have one or two particular ones that recur not every night, but every couple of months or something.
		Same situation, same place.
		And it'd be interesting to see if others are having the same exact dream or something similar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And even keep, thank you.
		Statistics.
		Earth change type dreams, specifically what they are?
		Yes.
		Because really, when you think about it, do we talk to each other about our dreams?
unidentified		Barely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of us, as a matter of fact, if we dream, unless we make a conscious effort to either write it down or sit down after you wake up and recall intentionally the details, you forget it.
		It's gone.
		You know it is.
		Within about half an hour, an hour, well after your first cup of coffee, the dream begins to fade and by the time you pick up your first phone call or whatever you're going to do for the day, it's gone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Aloha, I'll turn it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hawaii once again.
unidentified		Aloha, yes, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Joe B from Kauai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Good.
		We didn't get to hear you last night because they turned the power off at 10 o'clock.
		Well, 11 o'clock.
		But now you're on at 9 o'clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good.
unidentified		Your first hour comes online because before they came on at 10 o'clock, and we had to wait till 9 p.m. in Hawaii, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm an evening show, cool.
unidentified		Evening show.
		Yep.
		So did you get the calendar I sent you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was on it?
unidentified		Why cats paint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely, yes.
unidentified		Oh, good.
unidentified		Isn't it a child?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your cat calendar is on our wall.
unidentified		Oh, tell people about why cats paint.
		That's a whole mystery right there, you know.
		The suppression of their instincts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I wish I knew half of why cats do what they do, and I watch them all the time.
		A lot of their behavior is completely indiscernible.
unidentified		Oh, they're watching those rods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be.
		Thank you.
		They certainly see invisible things.
		My new cat, Comet, is becoming more sociable by the day.
		And he will, for no reason, no reason, jump straight up into the air.
		He has a lot of leg power.
		And he'll make a sort of a gurgling internal noise and jump straight up in the air like a pogo stick.
		No real reason.
		There's a reason, I'm sure, inside his little cat head, but from a human point of view, can't discern what it might be.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
unidentified		Are you sure I turn my radio off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, am I sure you turned it off?
unidentified		No, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		Just a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You're just art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
unidentified		I can't believe I got through you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have, trust me.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn that radio off.
unidentified		I did.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Tacoma, Washington.
		Okay.
		I've been.
		I only got you about two weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got me, so what's on your mind?
unidentified		Oh, all kinds.
		I've been listening, changing my hours, and all this kind of stuff.
		I have so much feedback.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, start feeding.
unidentified		Start feeding.
		Yeah, go ahead.
		What do you need?
		What do you need?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You called me.
unidentified		I called you.
unidentified		I liked you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I like your ideas.
unidentified		You've been in my head for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your head?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have I spoken to you privately?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you just began listening, so if I've been in your head for you.
unidentified		No, no, no, but your thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Your thoughts, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be some sort of telepathy then.
unidentified		I think it is.
unidentified		And let's try it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's try it.
		I'm going to project a thought to you right now, all right?
		Okay.
		There it is.
unidentified		But I have no idea what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		I am just so relieved that I got through to you.
unidentified		I've been trying for weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are now through, so.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		I want to know what remote viewing is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen on the 30th.
unidentified		No, you tell me what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I am not a remote viewer.
unidentified		Well, what is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the ability to see things at a distance.
unidentified		Is that what Courtney Brown does?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't understand that.
unidentified		I really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're the one who said you've been hearing my thoughts in your life.
unidentified		Yes, I have.
unidentified		But I'm psychic, so whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's like being psychic, but not the same.
		You listen on the 30th and you'll find out what it is.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, I used to listen to you when you were on Brand X, which was K Don.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		I used to call him from Fortuna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fortuna, yes.
unidentified		Long time ago.
		I have a question.
		Whatever happened to Jonathan Lear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John's still flying, and I'm going to have him on the air again one of these days.
unidentified		The first time I ever listened to you, it was an interview with him, and it was the same night that Vandenberg had launched a test missile in the middle of the night.
		It's probably about five years ago.
		You remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do believe I do, yes.
unidentified		Yes, so I was kind of reminiscing, wondering whatever happened to him.
unidentified		He enlightened me that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, John, John is not investigating UFOs to the degree that he was.
		I think that John came to the conclusions he came to.
		That was for him closure.
		And if he were to come on today, which it would be fun to have him on, I don't think you would hear a very different view.
		His view is kind of dark.
		He doesn't think they're good people.
		And as you recall, it's his view that they want our souls and regard us as vessels.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what he still thinks.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait until the 30th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed Dames.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I too wonder what he's going to have to say.
		Thank you.
		What big announcement he might have.
unidentified		We'll see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		That's me, huh?
unidentified		That's you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I had two questions I wanted to ask you.
		One was about, I listened a while back and there was that guy who had some kind of a spirit trapped in his house and his name was Rodney.
		Yes, Rodney.
		I didn't hear what the follow-up was on that.
		What happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The spirit escaped and killed everybody in the house.
unidentified		Are you kidding?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		No, well, then what really happened?
unidentified		Well, it was something about some guys with dark glasses showing up at his house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark suits.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		What was that all about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we said they beat him up, and I've not been able to get hold of him since.
		He gave me a number to reach him, and I tried that for about a week running with no luck, so I can't get hold of him.
		So I don't know.
unidentified		They beat up the guy that you were talking to on the radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what he said.
unidentified		Huh.
		Were they government guys?
		I guess you don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		Okay, and then the other thing was about that Courtney Brown thing?
		Yes.
		I didn't hear the beginning of this.
		I didn't hear the beginning of the show last week.
		Does this mean that Hail Mary does not exist?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, it does not mean that.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor does it affirm that it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What it means is that that photograph, the one claimed to be from a top ten astronomer, was fraudulently obtained by some unknown person from the Hawaiian website.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I was just thinking that, you know, I don't know why everybody, well, you know, why you get so upset over it, though, because the kind of stuff you do kind of lends itself to that possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it always.
		Always, always, always possible.
		But you do the best you can.
		I mean, in this case, we had a tenured university professor, a graduate physics student saying this was from a top 10 university astronomer.
		And that's fairly heavy.
		And they said they had signals, and they said he was going to come forward and have a news conference.
unidentified		Well, you know, when you first started talking about that photo and there was this mysterious astronomer that you didn't know his name, when I first heard it, I had this feeling that it was all phony.
		It was just a kind of a intuition.
		Yeah, maybe I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, so that was pretty heady stuff, and it was claimed physical evidence, and the claimed physical evidence turned out to be absolutely fraudulent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what I would do, if I were you, is to go up, and if you didn't hear the show, read the statement on the website.
unidentified		Okay, I heard part of the show.
		I think I heard enough to draw my own conclusions.
		Oh, okay.
		Well, but what was something earlier in the show tonight you were saying that something you saw when you were almost 50?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw a UFO.
unidentified		I mean, close.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		150 feet above my head.
		Both my wife and I had the experience.
		And, you know, once you have seen it, then whatever, come what may, you know there is something to all this.
		That was the point of that.
		I don't want to have to go back and describe that whole thing again.
		This is CBC.
		Once again, earthquake in Northern California.
		Unknown magnitude, unknown location.
		If anybody out there can confirm it, come ahead.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Marcel.
		Open lines tonight, tomorrow night.
		73 magazines.
		Wayne Green will be here.
		He is something else.
		Where do you hear that man?
		And a number of other shows planned for the near future, but again tonight, open lines.
		Anything you want to talk about, fair game?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		First of all, I want to congratulate you on your ratings.
unidentified		You deserve it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'd like to touch three subjects real quick.
unidentified		First one is conversion from centigrade to Fahrenheit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Very simple.
		I'll head vap.
		Take your centigrade.
		Multiply times 2.
		Add 30.
		That'll give you an error factor between 0 and 100 degrees of Fahrenheit of no more than 5 degrees.
		Okay.
		And I can give you a head vap to even correct that, but no bother.
		And it's real close, and I've used it a lot.
		The second thing is, on your sentient computer, if you're fingering the keyboard, can it sue you for computer harassment?
		Never mind, don't answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		The third thing is on this fraudulent photo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My naivete at this point is in full swing.
unidentified		And to what end, to what purpose, would somebody make a fraudulent photograph when there are already three other photographs that are genuine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one could imagine all kinds of things.
		One could imagine a personal agenda on the part of somebody who wants to forward the concept, use it for their own reasons.
		One could imagine a disinformation campaign to, in effect, get the public to forget all about whatever other evidence might exist, and certainly it has done that.
		One could imagine all kinds of things without knowing.
		That's why I want to pursue the physical evidence.
		And once again, let me say, Courtney Brown's statement, the one in which he says there will be no examination of physical evidence, is on my website now.
		It's on his, and I think we've got a link over there, so if you want to read what he has to say, go ahead.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
		Yes.
		We bought the time machine next year.
		It works great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We bought the time machine next year.
unidentified		Yeah, the time machine we were discussing last night?
		Yep.
		We bought it next year, and it works great.
		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you go?
unidentified		We went back to here and called you to tell you about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And actually, you're caught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really then from 1998.
unidentified		Right, right.
		Cool.
		See, we waited because the price goes down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good.
unidentified		And your ratings go up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you can tell us otherwise what will occur between now and next year?
unidentified		Yeah, but we don't want to ruin anything for you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aww.
unidentified		But ratings go up, and you get a raise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Too bad.
		God, I am so fascinated with time travel.
		And I mean, seriously, so.
		So if you have or know anybody who has built or is building what would classically be called a time machine, email me or write to me or call me or get a hold of me somehow and I will pursue it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Grant Justin.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I haven't talked to you in about six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, hey.
unidentified		You know, I saw you on Dark Skies, what was that, about a month ago?
		Yes.
		That didn't look anything like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		What did they do to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
		Well, everything.
		I mean, I went through wardrobe, then I went through makeup, and they took my hair and slicked it all back and turned it gray, and my mustache was shaven, and they put makeup on and aged me because William Paley is a little older or looked a little older.
		And so they completely modified me, and now they're contemplating doing it again.
unidentified		Are you going to play the same part?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I do it, I would play the same part.
unidentified		Well, this could be, you know, your new future.
unidentified		Playing William Paley for the rest of your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A permanent member of MJ-12.
unidentified		I enjoyed this show, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just want everybody to remember I still have my badge, which I did post on the web bite.
unidentified		Your badge?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My MJ-12 badge?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when I left the set, they tried to take that from me, and I threw my hands over my chest.
		I said, oh, no, you don't.
		This is my souvenir.
unidentified		That's excellent.
unidentified		Hey, well, you have a good night, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
unidentified		I'll talk to you later.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Beth from here, Bark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Beth.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I love your show.
		Thank you.
		I listen to it as often as I can.
		You introduced me to Richard Hopeman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		And I went to one of his first lectures he gave in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And then I went to a second and a third, and he made us do the math, and I saw the pictures, and I definitely saw the things that he saw.
		And we, my husband and I, we go around and look at antique stores all the time in Seattle.
		We used to live there.
		And we found an Apollo 8 book, like the one that he talks about that you send away to Goddard Space Institute.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It has all the pictures in the back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It had a lot of anomalous pictures because they hadn't landed yet.
		So I don't think they were certain about some of the things that were in there.
		And we have some little tiny pictures that are just incredible.
		One of them is of Ukur.
		You know, the pyramid that led him to first start looking at the moon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		The crater that has the pyramid in it?
		Yes.
		That photo is in this Apollo 8 book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to look for that.
		I have a telescope.
		If it ever clears up here, it's due to rain again tomorrow.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I live in the desert.
unidentified		Yep, we have a telescope as well, and it's really a good thing to look up and down when the terminator is right at half point and it's a half moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		If you go up and down the terminator, that's when you can really see a lot of anomalies because the light Shines in the dark part where it's not supposed to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yes, it's incredible stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's good enough that with the thank you, the best lens, I can look down into craters.
unidentified		It is really cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is, if the sky will ever clear.
		Now, there was one clear day, and I'll tell you what, when it cleared, it was cold.
		Ooh, it was cold outside.
		Nevertheless, I trudged outside with my telescope, and it was amazing.
		But I mean, just to have normal, good, clear desert skies would be really a treat.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes, Sarton.
		Just one second.
		Let me give my radio.
		All right.
		Okay.
		I've been trying to call you, and it's hard to get through, and when the phone does ring, it's just the luck of the draw.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you're on the air.
unidentified		You were talking about spirits and stuff, and you asked, I believe you asked, if anybody had ever seen something levitate or raise.
		Right.
		I did.
		I was 13 years old at the time.
		Just almost 14.
		And we moved into an apartment.
		It's a house that was converted into an apartment, two different apartments.
		And one Saturday morning, coming out of the bathroom through the kitchen, and there's this big, ugly ashtray on the coffee table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big, ugly ashtray.
unidentified		One of these, you know, 1973.
		Yeah.
		And it kind of lifted up a little bit, slid over the edge, held there no more than a second, and hit the floor.
		Well, my sisters were sitting in front of the TV watching the cartoons.
		And mom gets up a little later and comes out and says, who broke the ashtray?
		Well, our response was, we didn't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't do that.
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, hey, I didn't do that.
		I remember that.
		There were three of us.
		I had two sisters.
		It was always...
unidentified		Well, I didn't do it.
unidentified		I didn't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll have to punish you all.
unidentified		We were talking about this just, I don't know, about a week ago.
		And she said that the thing that really got her attention was that we all said we didn't do it.
		There had been strange things going on in the house.
		Things disappearing, the coffee pot being plugged in in the middle of the night, and noises, doors opening and stuff.
		But we all figured, hey, it's an old house.
		And then one evening we're sitting there in the living room talking, and we see it.
		It came out from the front porch area.
		It was a white mist about four, four and a half feet tall, kind of chubby.
		It was the first time we'd seen the thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost of a fat person.
unidentified		Yeah, it was, yeah, chunky.
		It was like a steam or a mist.
		It was just mischievous.
		Heck, we all liked it.
		We nicknamed it Sam, for lack of a better name.
		And it did its practical jokes and stuff, and we kind of all accepted it and loved it.
		Then a few years later, we moved, and it moved with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I can say is that I hope that if I die and I remain here as a spirit or a poltergeist, that I am not reduced to an eternity of at best playing practical jokes on people.
		Much as I may enjoy them in this life, doing it for eternity, plugging in coffee pots in the middle of the night or something, for grins, for eternity, is not my idea of real fun.
		But, of course, maybe that's the ultimate punishment for a practical joker in this life.
		Cosmic justice.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		You said you like to get two sides of the story, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep, yep, yep.
unidentified		Now, this alien abduction, they say, like, thousands of people get abducted every year and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some say that, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I saw a program where researchers suggest that when the earthquakes happen, that it releases, like, some kind of energy, and that's what's doing all the abductions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think there's any question about energy being released in an earthquake.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, he says that the electromagnetic energy makes them hallucinate that.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		Now, when you get, like, Travis Walton, I would imagine that something like that happened.
		Will you see a ship come down and it snags somebody?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were how many, how many, let's say, I interviewed him and Mike.
unidentified		Something like that's probably, you know, but that's rare, you know.
unidentified		That doesn't happen every day, you know, people getting snatched out of their beds, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it only takes one, well, he was snatched out of the woods, sir, but it only takes, it only takes one real one to make it real.
unidentified		Not necessarily, because these other people, see, they put somebody in a room and they put this electromagnetic activity thing on their head, and they saw things, they felt things tugging at them when they knew that there was nobody in the room.
		You know?
		I mean, that sounds more scientifically explainable that way, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, if one is real, though, if Travis Walton was abducted, and there were many witnesses, two sets of lie detector tests, I mean, how much...
unidentified		I'm not debating that that wasn't real.
unidentified		I'm just saying that these other people...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand what you're saying.
		You're saying that a lot of them may be attributed to other things, and I think you're exactly right.
		But if one or five or ten or a hundred out of thousands are real, then there is something real going on, was, I guess, my point.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hello, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, yes.
unidentified		I don't believe it.
unidentified		This is amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The first thing is you should speak to Secretary Company about getting a product that has automatic dialing that you can purchase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have it.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		There's an item I can get that I can set with my phone to automatic dial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'd like to order one of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't take orders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll have to call 1-800-522-8863.
unidentified		Okay, that's not the reason why I was calling them.
		All right.
		Woo!
		Okay.
		I have one question about these two photographs: one from the Hawaiian guy and one from Courtney Brown.
		All right.
		What were the differences?
		None.
		So the one in Hawaii had...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, cut out the exact same size section and turn it right 90 degrees, and then you can lay them right over each other.
unidentified		They were taken...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		But I never saw the Courtney Brown one, or the one that you had.
unidentified		Did that have the anomaly on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's on my webpage.
unidentified		Go look.
unidentified		So that was added to the photograph?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So that's what you're calling fraudulence?
		Yes.
		It was added.
		Yes.
		Okay, okay.
		Okay.
		Then based upon that, I have only one observation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		That is, if you go back and listen to the interview that you aired, that Courtney Brown played, that left on your answering machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The word that came up the most in that conversation, in his mind, was the term ratings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And credibility.
unidentified		He was after ratings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was worried.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was worried about, he said, my ratings and my credibility.
		If you recall, he said, if you release this, you will not get the benefit you think you will, whatever that is.
		And your credibility will suffer.
		And you will get good ratings if you don't release it.
		That kind of thing.
unidentified		Yes, I understand.
unidentified		The way I interpreted what he was saying, he was a man, in my opinion, that was looking for ratings or had a concern about ratings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he doesn't get ratings.
unidentified		Well, okay, fine.
unidentified		But when you talk about your viewing audience has to go through a processing of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a listening audience.
unidentified		A listening audience.
		I believe I have, and I believe that Courtney Brown is disingenuous.
		That's all.
		And I think that when you get close to this kind of stuff that you're getting into, you're playing with a power that is beyond our belief system.
		And people get kind of funny when they get around this kind of information.
		And you have to be a certain type of person to be able to receive this kind of information and not allow it to change you or entice you into other things.
		And it's very, very difficult.
		You're dealing with highly spiritual matters.
		You're trying to...
		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In this case, we're dealing with highly physical matters.
unidentified		Yes, but when you play with science and religion and you put them together, when these books that I got tonight, Psychic Ware, you know, and they're all out on the shelves, everyone is trying to figure out what is this power and what is this thing.
		And these scientific evidences of it, like remote viewing, are things that are very verifiable.
		But they're still not the experience.
		So you follow what I'm saying?
		No.
		You're not following the idea that what you're all trying to understand is something that's completely out of the mind and completely out of the intellect.
		My question to you would be, do you believe in a God?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What God is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What God is that?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Creator.
unidentified		The Creator.
		And it's in a form of concepts and ideas.
		But the experience of the God is the power of what could be Jesus healing people or Buddha or Krishna or anyone.
		Or Moses.
		I mean, do you believe that Moses put his staff down and turned it into a snake?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, this is the kind of, you're not sure because it doesn't fit into your belief system.
		And bringing the conscious, like 40 years ago, if he asked somebody if they believed in a UFO, they'd probably say no.
		But today, 40 years later, if he asks someone if they believe in UFOs, they're crazy if they don't.
		The consciousness of our world is raising up to understand and comprehend the Creator.
		And we, along the way, are trying to figure out with our minds.
		But when we go a little too far, things like that happen with Courtney Brown, I don't know if somebody...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What occurred with Courtney Brown, the remote viewing aspect of it totally aside, there's a great deal of physical evidence.
		There's a fraudulent picture, and there's a refusal on his part to examine or to allow any physical evidence that he now still claims to have to be examined.
		Well, there's nothing hard to understand about that for me.
		Not any of it.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		CBC.
		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mrs. Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have absolutely no idea what my program is all about.
unidentified		I never do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Night to night, it's whatever's hot, that's what we do, whatever's going on during the day, or whatever we can cook up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's fun, though, and it's right here.
unidentified		CBC, Chancellor Broadcasting Company, for the strange and unusual, it's Greenland with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do we discuss on Greenland?
		Two fascinating areas.
		Is there life after death and are we alone in the universe?
		Two ultimate questions mankind's been trying to answer for thousands of years.
		We'll be talking about it this week right here on Dreamland.
unidentified		Dreamland.
		Call Art Bell, toll free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're having a little swarm of earthquakes.
		One earlier in my valley here in Perome, Nevada.
		Apparently, one centered between Denver and Colorado Springs at about 3.4.
		And sometime ago, 1120, 25, probably about a 4.0 somewhere near Eureka.
		So we continue to monitor.
		The 23rd should be an interesting day.
		In a moment, back to the line.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is from Pittsburgh in St. Louis again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I called you about a week or so ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		On the comment that one guy made about the alien abductions and the earthquakes, I heard a long time ago that UFOs come in under the guise of storms.
unidentified		So why couldn't it be with the abductions that they come in under the guise of earthquakes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand what you mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		UFOs coming in under the guise of rain?
unidentified		Yeah, under disguise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were having UFO sightings every time you had an earthquake, or nearly every time, or even most of the time, then you might make that leap.
unidentified		And I've got a comment and a question to ask.
		Another comment, I should say.
		Yes.
		Okay, on the guy from the far side instant, my mind just slipped.
		Okay, he's my opinion is that he's under duress at some time.
		That's my feeling towards him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're referring to Courtney Brown.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure he is under duress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would agree with that.
unidentified		I mean, maybe a little bit more duress than maybe you think.
		Maybe death threats by people in creepy suits and sunglasses type of you.
		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can imagine anything you like, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I just caught that.
unidentified		It's like, you know, the last couple days have been listed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Look, I've had death threats for well over a decade, and I'm used to it.
		Maybe he's not.
		Maybe he did get some.
		Who knows?
		But after a while, you just deal with it.
		You know, somebody's going to kill you, they're going to kill you.
		You can get to them first.
		You prepare yourself to do that and defend yourself the best you can.
		And life goes on.
		Either that or you make a decision to cower in a corner somewhere.
		That's all.
		And if somebody's going to come after you, they're going to come after you.
		Getting you, that's a different story if you're ready.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice, gone.
		Wildcard line, make that first time caller line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		That's great.
unidentified		This is Dave from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to say how to my brother Matt.
		You work the web link.
		I got basically three predictions for you.
		All right.
		One is basically that you'll be set up more or less to knock your credibility down.
		I'm sure you're kind of aware of that.
		No?
		Well, yeah, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How so?
unidentified		Well, I guess the people that you bring into your radio show more or less try to boost you up and then knock you down.
unidentified		Credibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's, hey, look, that's the way life goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're up and you're down.
unidentified		Yeah, well, see, you're more like a teacher.
unidentified		You're teaching people new things, and I hate to see you just, you know, booted out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to worry about it.
unidentified		I don't think it's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to worry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As long as I'm honest, I don't have a thing to worry about.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's true.
		You are.
		The other thing is that you get my email.
		It's a little bit more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg pardon?
unidentified		It was about a living dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A living dream.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that I recall.
unidentified		Well, this is a message for you and your listeners.
		It's basically, don't worry.
		Things are going to be fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't worry, be happy.
unidentified		Well, no, don't worry, be happy.
		Don't worry.
		Things are going to be fine.
		You know, some of the people you get is like gloom and doomers.
		And this is more or less to tell them, to tell you people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't worry, be happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
unidentified		Don't worry.
		Things are going to work out.
		And I asked this person again, and this person said, yes, things will work out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know they're right?
unidentified		Well, I don't know if you ever had a living dream.
		It's not a common dream.
		It's a dream that it's like talking to you right now.
		It's coherent, it's comprehensive, it's an intelligent dream.
		It's not your common dream that you have.
		This is where you basically talk to like you and I. Who do you think you talked to?
		A higher power.
		God, you can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know it wasn't a lower power fooling you?
unidentified		No, it wasn't.
		Because off in the background was the Golden City.
		And that was reassuring me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Golden City was in the background.
unidentified		Yeah, Golden City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
unidentified		That's, you know, I'm sure you know what that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heaven?
unidentified		Yeah, heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were talking to God with heaven as a background.
unidentified		Well, yeah, you can stay with God.
		He's just reassuring me, reassuring everybody else, that things will work out.
		You know, you don't have to, you know, panic.
		You know, people are panicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not panicked.
unidentified		No, other people are panicking.
unidentified		Listen to people I listen to, they're basically panicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		They're worried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what's going to happen is going to happen, right?
unidentified		No, it's not going to.
unidentified		You mean nothing's going to happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a very boring world if nothing happened.
unidentified		No, not that kind of nothing.
		It's going to be a better world.
		Just that we have to be patient.
		We're all worried about things getting bent out of shape, which it's going to get worse before it gets better, but eventually it will get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, I would agree with that.
		It's going to get worse before it's going to get better.
		By the way, the current landing ground track for NASA on orbit 159, oh, you lucky people, is going to be Vancouver, B.C. It's going to come, the shuttle, if it lands on schedule,
		is going to come right over Vancouver, B.C., cross over the Great Lakes, and then orbit 160 passes more or less directly over Vancouver, B.C. with a less shallow arc over the U.S. or central U.S. So, you guys up north may have quite a show.
		I wonder if you've got clear skies in Vancouver.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right, let me turn my radio down.
		All right.
		This is Curtis from San Diego.
		Yes, sir.
		Could it have been Dr. Brown himself that these pictures made him phony?
		I'm thinking that because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My feeling, if you're really asking me honestly, is no.
		Dr. Brown is not, he knows about computers, but not a lot.
		I don't think it would have been Dr. Brown, to answer you honestly.
unidentified		Or possibly him being involved, and then he saw that it wasn't going to go right, so he got out of it.
unidentified		Something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't have that answer.
		I mean, that's speculation.
		I don't know.
unidentified		All right, then.
unidentified		We'll see you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, see you later.
		Art, a meteor or something big glowing and low in the sky just shot by my window.
		It was 105 and the wind kicked up, and just as I glanced out my bedroom window, I saw this big, glowing something go shooting low through the sky.
		It was like seeing something the size of a baseball, but it was not round.
		I couldn't see any sharp edges or shape, but it was amazing.
		That's from Lafayette, Colorado.
		Anybody else see it?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Is this Arbell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, man.
		I've been calling forever.
		I've got a couple of questions.
		One was about, I think it was yesterday, about your super glue thing on your hand.
		Oh, yes.
		The thing I think it is, is the fumes, in my opinion.
		Because every time I try to mess with the super glue, it gets on my hands, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's impossible not to.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like it grows on you.
unidentified		Exactly.
		The thing was, I just moved here to Medford, Oregon.
		And a friend told me about the show, so I listened, and it was with the guy, I think it was Stephen Gibbs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		And one of the questions was for that, but one is I'm from Dallas and I'm going to move back to Dallas.
		And I was wondering what radio station would I get you in Dallas?
		Cliff.
		And what channel would that be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-L-I-F in Dallas.
		Take me a second here to look and find out.
		Let me see, Cliff in Dallas.
		Would be 570 on the AM dial.
unidentified		570.
		Okay.
		All right.
		The thing about the U.S. Stephen Gibbs, remember he was saying to get it, now, before I ask the question, now, it's not battery operated, the time machine, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		He said you plug it in the wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now he said to find a grid, you've got to find a grid point if you want to travel in time.
		That's right.
		Okay.
		Remember you recalled saying what if you want to travel back to, I think it was 1500 and there was a castle there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he said that the grid point would move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay, so, because he doesn't think the grid point could take up a solid mass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it can't take up a solid mass, where are you going to plug it into the wall when you're the answer was, and it was asked on the program, you're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eventually, if you have done it right, you are going to automatically come back.
unidentified		No, okay, what I was saying, when you start to go, you said you plug it into the wall and you program it.
		Yeah.
		But if you plug it on the wall, once you have to be like at your house or someplace that an object that a grid point couldn't be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you would not be immersed in some solid.
		And what I was concerned about when I asked the question was, when you came back in 1500 or whatever year, that you not come back in the middle of a wall or a floor or something like that.
		So I presume you could be inside, but it would avoid putting you in something solid.
unidentified		And another thing was on the UFOs, people spawning if UFOs.
		I've never seen one.
		I'm not saying that they're not out there.
		I believe that they are because you're saying like, it's just like saying everybody on Earth lives on North America.
		You know, none of the other continents can have life.
		You know, and it's just like happens to be Earth is the only planet in the whole solar system, in our solar system that is, that consists of life forms.
		So, I mean, I'm sure that there'll be UFOs out there, just I haven't seen one.
		And I would like to see one before, you know, I die.
		I think that'll be pretty wild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Yeah, because I heard on the radio, just Matthew Fongo, you were saying that you've seen one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one.
		Yes, one.
		But it was A real doozer.
		Real close up, very, very, I mean, reach out and touch it, kind of close, you know.
		Really kind of like close encounters of the third kind, you know, where the ship pulls over you and the moon and the stars disappear and they're blanked out.
		That close, that big.
		And that will modify your thinking on the subject, I guarantee you, forever.
		Now, considering that I went to be almost 50 years old before I ever saw anything, I can easily imagine that a lot of people will go there entire lives and never see a thing.
		Never.
		It's odds.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		I finally got through.
		Yes.
		I'm just calling for probably a completely different region that you've been talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just fine.
unidentified		Okay.
		I just told my husband about this tonight, and I thought it was, you know, maybe unusual, and he said, just did I call you?
		And do you remember the Sioux City flight that crashed?
		Yes.
		Back in, like, 90 or 91?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		I was telling him about it.
		I remember I was working at a nursing home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to speak up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there someone else on your line, dear?
unidentified		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you're going to have to get right into that phone and yell at us.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's much better.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Okay.
		Anyway, I was working at a nursing home at that time.
		And it was about a half hour before I was to go to work.
		And I just remembered the suppressing feeling that I had.
		And I had not known that the crash had, you know, or the flight had crashed at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But all of a sudden, I just started crying.
		And I could just hear these voices screaming in my head.
		And I went to my room and I just started bawling.
		I just, you know, started praying because I knew that some child or children were in trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And then when I got to work, I learned that this city flight had crashed.
		And that made perfect sense to me.
		And there have been other things that have happened since then, premonitions, these feelings.
		I was just wondering if you could tell me any way that I could maybe develop this talent further or find out what it's about or what's happening here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know of no way to do that.
		Thank you.
		I have had to, one episode in my life of absolute precognition.
		No question about it.
		But I haven't the slightest idea how you would encourage that talent, cause it to happen again.
		I've always wondered about that.
		I didn't want it to happen.
		I couldn't stop it when it did.
		And it's never happened since.
		And I've tried to bring it on with absolutely zero success.
		So you're barking up the wrong tree.
		I cannot answer that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Aaron.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I'm a caller from Honolulu, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		I was trying to get a hold of a while back.
		You had a book advertised tax and caller 800, number 1-800, 35, no tax.
		And then it was from Hawaii, and it never seemed to get through.
		I'm wondering if you know another way to get through to these people.
		No, I'm sorry, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that number does not work from Hawaii, I don't have another.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Perhaps maybe one of your callers aren't there and got in the book about how to get through to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be, yes, thank you.
		One thing you can always do, of course, is to pursue the publisher.
		That is a problem.
		A lot of people get 800 numbers don't include certain areas, and, you know, we cover such a big area.
		I understand.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi there, this is Tom in El Paso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Tom.
unidentified		Yes, you had a show a short while back where a man claimed to have a time machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Are you familiar with a prism?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And how it works?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, he was talking about all sorts of things which are, to my way of thinking, hogwash.
		Okay.
		He told you that he was generating tachyons, and you asked him what a tachyon was, and he said that it was a particle of pure light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a theoretical particle that might travel faster than light, they believe.
unidentified		Well, it's not a particle of pure white light.
		There is no such thing as a particle of pure white light.
		Okay.
		If you know what white light is, you run it through a prism and you'll see that it's the complete spectrum.
		Yes.
		So it can't be pure white.
		A tachyon particle is a particle which travels faster than the speed of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Theoretically.
unidentified		Well, there is such a thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know of no accelerator that is actually identified yet a tachyon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's theoretical, I believe.
unidentified		Well, there are things which do move faster than the speed of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are those?
unidentified		The universe is expanding.
		And the reason why the sky is dark at night is because the universe is expanding.
		And farther and farther away, things are going faster and faster away from us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here I thought it was because the sun was on the other side of the earth.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not the reason why.
unidentified		Well, if the universe were not expanding, the sky would never go dark because there's enough suns in the universe to where, you know, even though they're very far away, they would generate enough light to fill in the night sky.
unidentified		As the universe expands...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't buy that one.
unidentified		Well, it's a...
		What do you call it?
		It's part of physics that the universe being...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand the...
unidentified		The way it is, the way it's expanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand the expanding universe theory.
unidentified		All right?
		As you go farther out in space, the Bodies that are out there are accelerating away from you.
		Okay, as you get to a certain point, you know, so many billions of light years away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We count it in light years.
unidentified		Right.
		As you go so many billions of light years away, relative to you, those things are exceeding the speed of light.
		Relative to themselves, of course, they're not reaching anywhere near the speed of flight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's actually...
		What you just said, to me anyway, makes no sense.
		That doesn't mean it isn't right.
		I just absolutely, positively do not understand it.
		If they are moving away at the speed of light, or excuse me, sub-light, then they are moving at sub-light.
		Relative to me or to Earth, they are still moving away at sub-light.
		So somewhere, either you didn't explain it or I didn't get it.
		One of the two.
		All right, we're going to break here at the top of the hour.
		Open lines.
		Anything you guys want to talk about, fair game.
		Tomorrow night, Wayne Green is going to be here.
		And Wayne Green, believe me, something to behold.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		CBC.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
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		He looks into cold fusion.
		He looks into things that, as a matter of fact, even UFOs.
		Tomorrow night, Wayne Green.
		All right, back to it we go.
		Open lines, anything you guys want to talk about.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I had a question about the other photos of the Hailbop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Yes, I will.
		Thank you.
		Specifically the ones from Japan.
		Yes.
		And what the degree of authenticity of those photos were.
		And if they are authentic, I had an idea as to how it could be possibly validated.
		One of the explanations that had been postulated was that it was a blooming star in the background.
		And if the redshift of the anomalous object could be measured and then compared to the stars in the background, if it was a star, then that should be readily apparent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The reason being sir, originally the Japanese called that an anomalous object with a large funnel-like protrusion from the rear of it extending into space a considerable distance.
		That's what they said at first.
		Then they said, oh no, it's a star and a CCD artifact.
		So your guess is as good as mine.
unidentified		Very good.
		The other thought I had was that as evidence of faster than light travel, there is a classic experiment where two electrons are made to travel in opposite directions.
		And when you don't observe either one, you can't predict the polarity of either electron.
		However, when you observe one, you can precisely predict the polarity of the other.
		That implies that there's some interaction taking place between the two particles.
		And since they're both traveling at the speed of light in opposite directions, whatever that interaction would be would have to be occurring faster than light.
		For whatever that's worth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there may be tachyons, but I believe they're still theoretical.
unidentified		Yes, absolutely.
		All right.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hi, Eris.
		Yes, hi.
unidentified		I got a guest idea for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would that be?
unidentified		Have you ever heard of Glenn Danzig?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay, he's kind of a, well, he's a singer, but he's like a real religious fanatic, and he has some really twisted beliefs, and I think it'd stir up a lot of stuff on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A singer with really twisted religious beliefs.
unidentified		Yeah, and another thing, your favorite movie is what, Prophecy?
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's going a little far.
unidentified		Oh, one of your favorites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like, yeah.
unidentified		Okay, well, there's a part two coming out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is there, really?
unidentified		And Glenn Danzig's playing one of the evil angels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought Christopher Walken was the best evil angel I've ever seen.
unidentified		Yeah, I thought it was pretty good myself.
unidentified		But yeah, finally he's going to make his movie debut on Prophecy Part 2, and I thought if you could get him on there, I thought that'd be a pretty interesting show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		I've seen a few very good movies lately that I will tell you about.
		A couple that I want you to see.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing this morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I'm all right.
unidentified		This is Doug, the earthquake man in central Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You wanted to know about two quakes from California?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The first one occurred at 11.17 Pacific Standard Time.
		It measured at 4.8.
		It was one mile northwest of Punta Gorda.
		The depth was 14.3 miles.
		The second event occurred at 12 a.m. Pacific Standard Time.
		It was a magnitude 4.3 located 16 miles west-northwest of Punta Gorda with a depth of approximately 14.2 miles.
		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A warm-up for something bigger or just a little shaken?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		And last week's earthquake that I did on the radio, I thought that there might be some increased activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you predict more?
unidentified		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you predict more?
unidentified		Oh, I don't make any predictions.
unidentified		I just report on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate the report.
		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, all right.
		Hello.
		Hi, this is Don from Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Don.
unidentified		Hey, you've been talking on and off about the effects of marijuana and the decriminalization of it.
		Yes.
		I just wanted to put my two cents in.
		I used to smoke pot.
		I don't anymore.
		But I sort of got a list together of the side effects that I remember from those days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And would you like to hear them?
		Sure.
		Okay.
		First of all, there's paranoia.
		Now, I don't know if that's because of a, you know, because it's illegal or what, or if the paranoia would go away if it was legalized or decriminalized or not.
		Okay, that's one.
		Another one is making mountains out of molehills.
		Every little task, no matter how small, becomes a mountain.
		By that I mean it's a great difficulty to do the smallest of tasks.
		Do you understand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Another one is munchies.
		You know, you do get hungry.
		And I think maybe together with that is it would probably help the people who were cancer patients or AIDS patients.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's one of the arguments for decriminalizing it.
		Right.
		And so one thing I noticed was it makes you hungry.
		So that would help your AIDS patients.
		AIDS patients as well.
		Another thing is laziness.
		It makes you lazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lethargic.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lethargic.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, it does.
		Lethargic.
		And I think that might be a result of making mountains out of mohills.
		I'm not sure if those are, you know, that might be torn into the other one.
		But anyway, and lastly is, here's a good one for you.
		Impotence.
		And the reason why is because your mind isn't on what you're doing.
		It's up in the left field somewhere.
		Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's your list, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were to make a similar list with regard to alcohol, and you were to compare the two, what do you think you would conclude?
unidentified		That's a good question.
unidentified		I would say the alcohol would be much worse when you compare the two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I rest my case.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		It's not that marijuana is necessarily good.
		It's simply that I wish we would stop lying to people about it.
		And by the way, this on the heels of a big announcement today.
		There is now available on the market, you can go out and get it, a drug test kit for your children.
		Would you buy one?
		Would you hand them a little cup and then send it into a government-approved testing center?
		And await the results.
		How many of you are going to do that?
		East of the Rockies or on the air?
unidentified		Hello, this is Luke.
unidentified		Is this Carbell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, who is this?
unidentified		Luke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Luke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what's on your mind, Luke?
unidentified		Earlier in the show, he mentioned something about the quickening, and I wanted to know what exactly he thought that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, Luke, um, the quickening is, um, thanks for the call.
		The quickening to me, and I'm a layman, is everything you see compounding around you socially.
		The lack of civility, increasing lack of, the violent murder rate, the fact that people are killing people with no deference to any value of life at all.
		It is the economic disaster that we are facing and coming closer to by the minute.
		It is the political nonsense in Washington that has gone so far out of line that I've given up on it.
		I see so very little difference between the major candidates and even, for that matter, the parties right now.
		So little difference that it's almost not worth talking about, frankly.
		As you noticed and may have noticed, I don't talk a lot about politics anymore.
		And the reason is, there's not much to talk about.
		Because there is not much difference in what any of them would do.
		Including the difference between Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton.
		Or the present majority leader in the Senate.
unidentified		And a whole bunch of them up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just...
		I could really go on and on, and to give you a hint, I will.
		But it is an ever-increasing, changing pace of events that is headed toward something.
		As a layman, as a talk show host, I don't say what that something is.
		But I know a lot of you have your own thoughts.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah, this is Gorgon in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gorgon?
unidentified		Gorgon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How'd you get a name like Gorgon?
unidentified		Well, it's my pseudonym.
		Okay.
		All right.
		I've got four non-associated topics I want to pass by you.
		All right.
		You know, there was someone talking about the Earth rotation of slowing down, and it was a possibility because of damming up rivers and the tornadoes coming off the hurricanes.
		Yes.
		Cadet, you know, I was thinking because the sun has a lot of heating and cooling on the earth, just maybe that few degrees slower a spin would let the sun's rays either heat it up longer or cool it off more, and that's why our weather pattern's changing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As good a guess as anybody else's.
unidentified		Yeah, it could be.
unidentified		Another one I want to talk about, you know your video online?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You should do, this is just a suggestion, possibly hire somebody that does sign language for the deaf to do transcripts for, or you know, to hand out or sign language your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To sign my show.
unidentified		Yeah, for the deaf people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right, thank you.
		Well, that's one practical use for it, I suppose.
		We are contemplating all kinds of video things that I can't really tell you about right now that would relate to the web page.
		And we'll see what develops.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
unidentified		Is this Arbelle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
unidentified		Okay, this is Marlene from Illinois.
		Hi.
		And I just recently started listening to your program.
		And a girlfriend and I have been having a lot of dreams lately about earthquakes and earth changes.
		And this really has been going on with me for at least 10 years.
		But they've really been heating up lately.
		And we live real close to St. Louis.
		Well, we took a venture over Labor Day to go see the white buffalo in Janesville, Wisconsin, because we were thinking that we might get some answers up there.
		And there was a lot of power up there you could feel and stuff.
		But I felt like I was leaving without any answers until my girlfriend found a copy of Gordon Michaels Gillian's map in the gift shop.
		And we looked at it, and we both had the intense impression that his map was not entirely correct.
		And because it was missing Alton and St. Louis altogether, and the dreams that we had for this area were that Alton was not only going to get hit along with St. Louis, but that most of Alton was going down like two stories into the ground.
		And we were trying to figure out why that would be, why it wouldn't just be leveled until I found out that Mississippi Line and several other mining operations have been undermining the entire area so that it's totally honeycombed.
		And they're continuing to do that.
		Well then in part of her dream she had seen that we had like 24 hours to get people to safety before the waters hit.
		I said, well, you know, we have the Mississippi here and the Missouri River.
		What waters, you know, that would come immediately.
		What else is there?
		And then when we looked at Gordon's map, he was talking about Lake Michigan spilling into the Mississippi River.
		Well, we realized that after we saw that map.
		So now I just had to get this out because I want people to know if they're listening.
		These are the impressions we've gotten recently.
		I had a dream, and in the dream, I feel like I was told of the date of when this was going to occur.
		Now, I don't know about it globally.
		I don't know about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I actually don't think you're allowed to say I had a dream.
unidentified		Oh, you can't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a copyrighted phrase that belongs to the King family.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Well, then, okay, I understand that then.
		I had an impression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a vision.
unidentified		I had a vision.
		Well, it was a vision.
		It definitely was.
		And in my vision, the dates that I came up with are July 10th of 1997.
		I believe there's going to be a major tremor stemming from the Madrid fault line here in the Midwest.
		And then I believe that the very big earthquake that's going to do, you know, it's going to change our lives totally, is going to be October 7th of 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we appreciate those dates and keep us up to date with your dreams, if you would.
		On our international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		This is Jesse from Clearwater, British Columbia, calling.
		I was just wondering, in regard to the quickening, what your impression of it is.
		Is it going to be, do you think, a gradual change in the way our world and our political situation is, or is it going to be cataclysmic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cataclysmic.
		And I think in other words, it is something that is beginning to race toward a conclusion that will be an event, not necessarily the end of the world, mind you, but an event of some great magnitude.
		Not the end, and there'll be something on the other side, but it will be different.
unidentified		You know, that's interesting because I've been taking a bit of a poll of the people I know, including my family who are very conservative people.
		And pretty well everyone that I talk to knows that something is coming.
		And that's the phrase that they use.
		Something is coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something is coming.
unidentified		And these are from my long-haired Bilk Smoke and Hippie friends to my right-wing father, you know, and everyone in between.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have quite a range of friends there.
unidentified		Listen, how far are you from Vancouver?
		Good God.
		Several hours' drive.
		I'm just in the central interior, Celesta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		Okay.
		Do you have clear skies?
unidentified		We haven't had clear skies since December.
		And then it was 42 below.
		Oh, and about the Celsius thing, you were wondering about it the other day?
		Yes.
		I can give you a pretty good rule of thumb to go by, just in terms of comparing our temperatures to yours.
		Zero is freezing.
		20 degrees is room temperature.
		And 40 below is 40 below.
		And that's pretty well it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way I've always thought about it, it's warmer here, and it's real cold where you are.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's getting up to nearly 70 degrees very cold.
unidentified		Oh, go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the day.
		I mean, it's warm.
		You walk outside.
		The sun warms your bones.
		You go out in a t-shirt.
		You don't need to eat.
unidentified		Yeah, but you people are all going to fall into the ocean anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
unidentified		You too.
		Bye-bye.
		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the big retort.
		It's nice down here.
		Yeah, well, it may be nice down there, but you people are all going to fall into the ocean.
		And though we be cold up here, we'll laugh when it happens to you.
		That is when the sun is out.
		It's supposed to rain here in the desert tomorrow, so it's been pretty weird here, too.
		There's a definite change in the weather.
		No question about it.
		It is becoming more severe in every way.
unidentified		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CDC Radio Network.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		Yes.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Are you being blown away?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, by what?
unidentified		The wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there's a little bit of wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not too bad.
unidentified		Oh.
		Well, I was calling in regards to the guest that you had about a week and a half ago, the gentleman with the time traveling machine.
		Yes.
		And he said something during the course of the interview about there was a small pad that you rubbed back and forth, and you waited until it felt sticky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, it just struck a note in something that happened to me when I was younger.
		We had a lady come visit us, and she had some kind of a machine like that.
		It was not a time machine, but what she said she could do was she could like what she did for me was I had a ring with an opal in it, and she put the opal on this machine and did this, and she asked the actual stone in my ring questions.
		Like, where did you come from?
		And have you ever, it was just, it was very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did the stone say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like, well, you know, I was very comfortable underground in a cave and some fool dug me up and polished me up and here I am.
unidentified		No, but actually what it apparently what it told her was that it had come from a larger setting about 50 years ago and had been cut down.
		But it was very interesting, this tab that she had where it felt sticky like that.
		And I tried it and it was very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
unidentified		Yeah, and it was, I was, I'm not sure it has any kind of correlation.
		I don't remember her name.
		I don't remember why she came to visit our house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you could only talk to an opal or could you talk to an average rock?
unidentified		I'm not sure exactly.
		I'm trying to remember how much.
		I just happen to have this ring, and I think you could do it with just an old coin or a necklace or any kind of inanimate object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		All right, thank you.
		Talking to objects.
		Actually, it would be fun, wouldn't it?
		How about beds, huh?
unidentified		Those beds can talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just finished my vacation traveling through Nevada.
		The route from California took me to Beatty, Totopawa, Rachel, and finally, Las Vegas.
		Rachel, founded in 1978, may be the UFO center of the world.
		What is amazing about Rachel is how isolated it is, population about 100.
		But it's gained so much notoriety.
		I understand from the locals, Rachel just got power lines two or three years ago.
		One local author spent probably, Glenn Campbell, I'll bet, three hours with me talking about his book, showed me some very interesting videos of UFOs near Rachel.
		Also, while at the little Ailey Inn, several people called from Europe making travel plans to the area.
		My question is this.
		Have you or will you ever consider doing a live show from Rachel, Nevada?
		Bill and Fairfield near Travis Air Force Base?
		No, I don't think so.
		I watched Larry King do that, and I thought it looked kind of silly.
		He had a desk set up in the middle of the desert, right out there near Rachel, and cameras and lights.
		And, you know, the desert during the day gets nice and warm, as I told somebody a little while ago, maybe up to 70 during the day.
		But at night, it gets cold.
		And it was getting to be nighttime, dark.
		And Larry was doing a show on UFOs.
		And he just sat out there at this desk, and you could see that everybody was beginning to shiver.
		And they never did really see anything.
		They had a show.
		But I can't see any reason to go out there and shiver in the desert.
		No, I don't think so.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Bill from Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was wondering, what was a thing called Future Vision, something that they used?
unidentified		Is that what you're talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what you're talking about.
unidentified		It was something to do with the Halebog comment.
unidentified		They used it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean remote viewing?
unidentified		Yeah, remote viewing.
unidentified		Yeah, could you explain that to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you'll listen on the 30th, we're going to have Major Dames on, who was in the original military remote viewing project, and he will explain it.
unidentified		On the 30th?
		Yep.
		Okay, I was wanting to ask one more question.
		All right.
		The guy with the Tom Machine, is there any solid proof that that would work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		None that I know of.
		Would you try it yourself?
		I might.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might.
unidentified		Okay.
		I would appreciate it.
		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Would I try it?
		an interesting question.
		I'm pretty much pleased with when I am.
		In other words, I like the present.
		However, as a tourist, I sure wouldn't mind visiting.
		Well, I'd probably pick the mid-50s.
		There are some things growing up, and I was born in 1945, June the 17th, 1945.
		And there are some things that I know now that if I were in that year, I could apply then to great advantage.
		And I will not detail it beyond that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Arbell.
		Yes.
		Yeah, this is Dave calling from Danville, California.
		Hey, listen, I'm not going to mention a name, but I am tired of hearing about you-know-who.
		Well, that's it.
		I didn't mention his name.
		Okay.
		In any case, I'm very encouraged to see that the people that are calling in are going back pretty much to what we call normal on the Art Bell show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was inevitable, and I thought that what I needed to do, you know, I could have loaded up the beginning of the week with guests.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I knew full well that everybody wanted to get this off their chest talking about you-know-who.
unidentified		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I thought I'd let them get it out of their system, and then we would proceed.
unidentified		You bet.
		So any case, Art, I was calling to ask you some questions about your show.
		How do you select a special guest?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either because the audience is particularly interested in that subject at that time, or because I think it would be fun or cool.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an honest answer.
unidentified		Hey, I'll tell you, that does it.
		Any case, you were talking about cold in the desert.
		Oh, yes.
		I don't think anything was as cold as that Packer game.
		And I saw those commentators on TV at that table.
		Remember the one that took place in Green Bay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		But, I mean, what about you're right.
		I mean, it was cold.
		But they showed past Packer games that were even colder.
unidentified		Incredible.
		Go back in the 60s, some of those awesome games.
		Just unbelievable the conditions that those guys played in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any predictions for the Super Bowl?
unidentified		You betcha.
unidentified		I think it's Packers all the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, me too.
unidentified		Me too, me too.
		Yeah, I know.
		I kind of felt that you felt that way, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I predicted that at the beginning of the year.
unidentified		And you sit by your guns.
unidentified		And I think we're going to have an enjoyable weekend watching the Super Bowl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Okay, you take care of it.
		Right.
		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is, of course, enjoyable.
		Wouldn't miss it for anything.
		And I do have a feeling.
unidentified		I think it's the Packers time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can't you feel it?
		Of course, I could be wrong.
		But I really do think it was going to be the Packers.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		Is this Art Bell?
		Yes.
		I mean, as if I thought it was somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm the only one here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody does, yes.
unidentified		Art, I wanted to ask you a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a little bit offbeat.
unidentified		But how do you, And how did you break into radio?
		And somebody like myself, how would I break into radio and how could I be the next art bell and talk about things like tail flop?
		I mean, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had to kill a guy.
unidentified		You did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, that's not a problem.
unidentified		What else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I created the opening.
unidentified		Okay, and then how do you squeeze through the opening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're just there at the right time.
		I mean, obviously the guy is gone just before airtime, right?
		Mysteriously.
		And you quickly wipe off all the blood, be sure the drain is clean, and then make yourself available.
unidentified		But seriously, did you work small markets?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The smallest, yes.
unidentified		I mean, I talked to a guy who worked such a small market that after a shift was over, he had to feed the horse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did stuff like that.
		Yeah?
		The first radio station that I ever really worked at was a little FM station up on top of a mountain in New Jersey.
		And during the winter, the mountain was covered with snow and ice.
		So you could drive partway up and you had to walk the rest of the way up.
		And it was a religious FM station.
		So all I got to do was read the news every hour.
		And the man who ran it was fanatical.
		And he didn't like you getting too close to the microphone.
		And in order to teach you not to get too close, if he came into the studio and saw you close to the mic, he would sneak up behind you and yank the chair out for Monday while you were on the air reading the news.
		And so the audience would hear you.
		And that would be you going on your butt.
		And he did that to me one time too many, and I quit.
		And that was my first job.
unidentified		When did your career take the twist that it has now into the macabre or the fringes talking with the kind of guests that you talk with now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been doing this program for about 13 years, and I did quite a bit of that sporadically for many years, and then sort of migrated more toward it as I became more disgusted with politics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's been in about the last three or four years.
unidentified		Now, without being disrespectful to your guests, one of the questions that I have as I listen to your show is why don't you ask some of the harder questions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give me an example.
unidentified		Well, when you had this gentleman named Steve on who was talking about time travel, I think that, or I should say that my assumption is, and I think the assumption of most of the public and the physicists, is that this doesn't happen, it's not going to happen, and it would happen probably time travelers from the future that have come to the past, but certainly not somebody creating a device at this point that's taking them to the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What grilling, hotbed question would you have asked designed to draw the absolute truth from him?
unidentified		I would have said on a prearranged date, I would want myself, two other scientists, and maybe another impartial observer to come out and see you demonstrate your device.
unidentified		And then I would come back to the listening audience and say, this is what I saw, or this is what I didn't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Well, I'm not willing to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I wasn't willing to travel to where he was and go through all that.
		So instead, I let him tell your story and his story, and then you can make your own conclusions.
		But regarding the claims made by every guest I have on my show, I can't get personally involved and test each one of them.
		I just can't do it.
unidentified		But at the same time that you give him a forum to talk to, and you did listen to him, and you were very fair to him, some of the callers that call, such as the last couple of callers, you almost listen to them in a way that you've got a smile on your face, and you know that you in the audience are saying, this guy is way out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my friend, if you're sitting where I am and you weren't smiling so that it could be heard vocally on occasion, I would say you weren't sane.
unidentified		But were you feeling the same way when you talked with Stephen about time travel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
		I kind of looked past, thank you, his halting manner of speech and instead listened to the content, as obviously a lot of the audience did.
		And again, I say because somebody is not a polished speaker, doesn't mean the content of what they're saying may not have some serious amount of value.
		And if you listened carefully to the first hour of his technical explanation, it made sense.
		Now, I'm not saying that it works, and he has offered me no hard or concrete proof that it works.
		However, the technical explanation that he offered really was quite good with regard to current knowledge about our brains, for example.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm Steve from Ginger, Ohio in L.A. And I was wanting to talk about two things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right, sleep paralysis.
unidentified		I was in my rig about two months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a bad place for sleep paralysis.
unidentified		But I was in the rack.
		Oh, I was.
		I was asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was having this weird dream about planets or comets flying around my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cometh.
unidentified		I reached up to grab one.
		Really?
		Yeah, and then, like, about two minutes later, I woke up.
		Right?
		And you might have seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a comet when you woke up?
unidentified		Well, I tried to open my hand and could not open up my hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it would be really cool if you opened your hand and this really fiery thing flew out?
unidentified		You know what flew out?
unidentified		What fly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A fly.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, I guess I grabbed the fly in midair while I was asleep.
		It actually happened.
		That was with me when it happened.
		I like it.
		And the other thing, much sadder note, I lost a brother this early January.
		And I just want everybody to know that no matter how bad it is, you can always talk to somebody that you really love.
		No matter how bad it is, you can always talk to somebody Well, not just that.
		He's just the way he left wasn't really, you know, cool.
		You know, he left on his own, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure there's a lot of cool ways to go.
unidentified		And I'm looking forward to Wayne Green again tomorrow night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tomorrow night.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Those of you who have lost people know that you can still communicate with them.
		The rest of you are no doubt chuckling beneath your breath, and that's fine.
		But those of you who have lost somebody close to you, you know you can still speak to them.
		Not as you did in life, but mentally you can converse with them.
		And as I said, many others will be chuckling at that.
		That's all right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, this is T. How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, I'm still working on my Way Talking Gyro, or WTG.
		Yeah.
		And I think my specs are officially done and ready for construction, but I'm probably going to need a retired machinist or something that has a lot of junk to work with.
		And if your audience could somehow supply me with some old top-notch bowling balls of the same weight and some other things, including some compressed lightweight fiberglass epoxy rods and a couple of motorcycle engines, I could be on my way.
		I'm also working on an exploding tornado propulsion unit, or better known as ETPU.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something to explode tornadoes.
unidentified		Exploding tornado propulsion unit.
unidentified		And if anyone's interested, I hope they facts you, Art, because I am totally serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is, how do you get the explosive device directly in the path of the tornado?
unidentified		Well, it's not an explosive device, Art.
		It's the tornado itself is compressed into a supertight vacuum until the vacuum itself explodes.
		Kind of like when you throw a rock at a pitcher tube.
		It implodes, then it explodes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what is it that you throw at the tornado to cause that?
unidentified		Well, first you have to create a wind dynamic eddy than a vacuum inside a hollow containment field.
unidentified		From a jet engine or whatever propulsion unit you're using, you probably have to use a modified jet engine for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but still, it is a device that you have to then get in the path of a tornado, right?
unidentified		Well, no.
		The tornado is contained within a hollow structure.
		And then it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, heaven knows what you're going to need for that, so you better concentrate on the first item, I guess.
		Your weight-throwing gyros.
		And then you can move on to tornadoes.
		Tornadoes have always fascinated me.
		Wouldn't it be cool if there was actually a way to blow them up in effect?
		You'd have tornado hunters.
		Fire one.
		Yes, sir.
		We'll be right back.
		This is CBC.
		All right, I wonder if that young lady who called a while ago who asked about getting blown away was perhaps being prophetic.
		The wind is beginning to pick up here in my part of the desert.
		It's calling for rain tomorrow, and I suspect this is probably a front coming through ahead of that, but that's just my guess.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Got a what if for you?
		All right.
		Okay.
		What if the news media started reporting that a young woman in her mid-20s had been observed performing limited miracles or anomalies, such as self-levitation or causing a bright glow to appear about her body or make plants grow so quickly that you could see it with the naked eye?
		Or maybe she speaks in Latin, but anyone who listens to her will understand exactly what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I would want to interview her.
unidentified		Well, I'm wondering if the callers would believe the message that she would deliver because she could do these things or if they would ignore her, or would it matter where she came from?
		Like if she was from the Middle East, would they pay more attention?
		If she was from China?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I can give you a good answer to that question, and at the same time, a recommendation for a movie, all right?
		This movie will answer your question.
		I just saw it, and it deserves some kind of an award.
		It's called Phenomenon.
		I'm sure you've seen it advertised.
		It's been in the theaters.
		John Travolta is in it, and it is the best part Travolta has ever played.
		Totally out of character with regard to anything he's ever done before.
		Has anybody out there seen Phenomena?
		Did you react the way I did?
		I thought it was one of the better movies that I'd seen in a long time.
		I mean that.
		Even including ID4.
		Phenomenon.
		Phenomena, I guess.
		Travolta, has anybody else seen that?
		And if so, what was your reaction to it?
		I mentioned that I was going to mention a movie earlier, and that was the one in that call provoked that answer.
		and I would recommend to that caller that as soon as he's able, he sees that movie.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Lewis from Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lewis.
unidentified		I was checking to see if you got my Hailpop song thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have not yet.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I hope it didn't hear the flood that y'all had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not here yet.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
		And my second thing was, you were talking earlier about dreams earlier.
		Had one yesterday relating to the equipment.
		I had another earthquake dream again.
		And this one, this time, it was like I was staying with some people and they were talking about some hydrological maps.
		And this guy was arguing with them.
		And I take it it was like during a dry period.
		And the guy kept saying, he said, our maps are showing the water levels are changing along the Mississippi River.
		And we just now find a first-time unexplained fault that we can't account for.
		And the maps don't show it.
		And then in the second dream, after I woke up, I went back to sleep again 10 minutes later and picked up, I guess, where I'd left off and had fall several places where a 6.7 earthquake hit in the midwest of the south part of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are in good company, my friend.
		There are many people reporting dreams just like yours, and many of them already tonight, make of it what you will.
		There has been earthquake activity in the last several hours, in the west, in Colorado, some here in my little valley, and two fairly recent quakes in the last several hours in Northern California, so near Eureka.
		So activity is beginning to warm up, and I would suspect we'll see something of some significance in the next few days.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Bill from Salt Lake City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Regarding Hailbox and the fiasco that you went through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Do you like a good practical joke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		I think we have been a victim, all of us, of a big, gigantic, practical joke.
		And somebody is laughing their head off.
		Well, I think you're confusing joke with hoax.
		Well, they broke no law.
		It was a good practical joke, I think.
		Yeah, you should look at it that way, because I would have done the same thing if I had thought of it.
		I've pulled some good practical jokes, and I've had a lot of practical jokes played on me, but I don't get too upset about it.
		You don't agree?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're entitled to your opinion, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
		All right.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		There are practical jokes, and then there are frauds.
		I am able to carefully differentiate between the two.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Stu in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Stu?
unidentified		Yeah, you had a caller a little while ago who was talking about exploding tornadoes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yum.
		I want to tell you a story I heard when I was in the service.
		I don't know how much truth there is to it, but somebody out there may know more about it or be able to confirm it.
		But I once heard that in the late 50s or early 60s, the Air Force actually used a flight of Delta Wing fighters at supersonic speed to kill a tornado.
		Cool.
		And there was a monster that was bearing down either on a populated area or one of the Air Force bases.
		And they sent this flight right through the middle of the funnel, and the shockwave actually dissipated the funnel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How come that wasn't reported?
unidentified		I don't know.
		Like I said, it's a story I heard.
		I don't know if another listener can confirm it, or maybe somebody knows more about it who could give some more information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a suburban legend to me.
unidentified		Well, that's possible, but how many legends are based on facts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About half.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
		If there had been, in effect, a tornado blown up by jets, you would think we would know about it, wouldn't you?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, all right?
		Yes.
		I'd like to ask you something about your cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have three.
unidentified		Do they ever bite your hand as a show of affection?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Just gently?
unidentified		Well, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sometimes fight with my cats.
unidentified		Oh, well, I wouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then it's not so gentle.
		In other words, well, I don't want to go into detail, but I fight with them.
		I cover up their little heads, and they hate that.
unidentified		Oh, well, I throw a newspaper over mine occasionally, and she has a lot of fun with that.
		But occasionally, she will start out just a tender bite as a show of affection.
		Then it becomes more vigorous, and all four claws get involved, and the blood starts to flow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's how cats do their thing.
		It's not unusual, sir.
		Your cat does not hate you.
unidentified		Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that.
		I do enjoy your show, and I love it when you tell us about your cat.
		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I was, as some of you know, when I had my cat that I rescued from Under my house, I was severely bitten.
		And I mean severely, my hand was just like a basketball.
		It was horrible.
		I had to go to the hospital.
		So that was more than a little love bite.
		Since then, though, Comet, who is my wildcat, just gives me little nibbles, not angry bites.
		Little nibbles occasionally.
		It's been a long time, actually.
		Comet is very, very docile now in many ways and improving all the time.
		Boy, I could write a book about the taming of a wild animal.
		It really has been an experience.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Dana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dana.
unidentified		Hey, it's a comment and a question.
		The comment was, I'm real jealous that you've gotten to see a UFO up close.
		I've seen several things over the years, but they were way up high, and I've always wanted to see one up close, so I'm jealous.
		And the question is, do you plan on having David John Oates on anytime in the near future?
		I love it when you interview him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
unidentified		Fascinate.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reverse speech.
unidentified		Oh, man, I think it's great.
unidentified		I can't wait to get my money together to get one of his machines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I do is I give him enough time to get lots of new material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guess would be that he's doing reversals as we speak on Courtney.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sure he.
unidentified		I hate that whole scenario, but yeah, he probably is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And other critical things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The President's inaugural address would strike me as another that would be worth some investigation, I would think.
unidentified		That would be a good one.
unidentified		I was just hoping you might have, because he's gotten a lot of new affiliates since the last time he was on, so a lot of people haven't gotten to hear him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
		It is true.
		Yeah, we'll have him on again.
unidentified		Well, I'm looking forward to that.
		All your guests are interesting, but he's my favorite.
		All right.
		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Yeah, I'm sure he's doing more reversals.
		The ones that got me and never have let go were the ones of the children with that ethereal sound to them.
		God, that was weird.
		That just put shivers right down my spine.
		Wildguard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ron up in Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ron.
unidentified		And that fellow that was talking about the speed of light and stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, you know, Einstein's theory that energy is, find energy is, the equation is E equals Mc squared, which is 186,300 miles a second times 186,300 miles an hour.
		And any time mass is traveling at the speed of light, it becomes infinite.
		Right.
		And that way, that there's no way that they can measure it, so there's nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless.
		Unless you happen to be near the event horizon of a black hole.
		Now you might want to go look into that.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		I could be sure.
		There's one other thing I'd like to mention to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This fellow from Mr. Gibbs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I wrote a letter to him and get his catalog and stuff.
		I have a project that I have been working on sometime.
		It's still on paper.
		I have not even started to build a model.
		And I call it my dream recorder.
		And what I want to do is to pick up brain waves in the rapid eye movement period of sleep and process them into digital information and then turn around and process that into so I can put it on a computer screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be excellent.
		Considering the dreams some people have, that would be very entertaining indeed, wouldn't it?
		And we will be able to do that one day.
		And if you think that's interesting, imagine the reverse.
		After managing to store the digital data on a computer, you would then, in effect, be able to download a dream to somebody, to somebody else's brain.
		That's going to take a lot of the fun out of reality.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got a question for you.
		Oh, by the way, I did see Phenomenon.
		He did.
		And I thought that was John Travolta's one of his finest roles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did I. And well, the man was asking what would happen to somebody who could move things or levitate things.
		And I think Phenomena, the movie, answered that very precisely.
		Don't you?
unidentified		Well, and I thought the most surprising and the most encouraging thing about Phenomena is you had the impression at first that it was coming from the outside.
		And I think the fact that it came from within was the redemption of man and it was speaking to the truth of the human spirit.
		It was an important movie.
		I had one other comment that I wanted to make.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I'm not sure if you or your folks are aware of this, but I thought that it would be kind of a neat thing.
		As compared to the chat rooms on the internet, there is a place called The Palace.
		Are you familiar with that?
		No.
		The Palace actually has a graphical interface so that there are rooms and there's chess rooms and conference rooms.
		And what you do is you have an icon that represents everybody that's there.
		And so in real time, you can see these Icons move around, and people can create their own icons.
		And with the software that they provide, once you're registered, you can even create your own rooms in your own palace.
		And if there was an Art Bail palace, I think that for the exchange of information, I'll tell you what, it beats the heck out of just the line-by-line-by-line reading that you see in the general chat room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And I know a lot of people probably have ideas, and you say, oh, yeah, okay, and then just let it go.
		But if you'd have the people that know your webpage, the people that put it together for you, look at the palace, I think that you would truly be amazed.
		And I think that it would create a lot of things.
		Well, how do I do that?
		I said, well, if you go into your search engine and you put in the palace, you're going to get it to come up.
		It allows you to download the palace over the Internet, and then you can go in as a guest to try it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But assuming I register my software, then I could be a king in my palace.
unidentified		Well, what they do is they provide you with software to be either a client or a server.
		If you decide to be a server, they tell you what you need to do to set up your own palace, and then it's interlinked with the main palace, which is called the Palace, the Palace Com.
		But I think it's no different than a chat room, but the thing that's amazing about it is you have props, you have what they call an avatar, where you can either put your picture out there or you can create some kind of creature, and then you can be in a chess room, and you can play chess with somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I think I'm beginning to get the idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll try it from one of the search engines, Yahoo, or something, all right?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, please do.
unidentified		You'll enjoy it, and I think that your listeners would love it if you put something together like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this chess player has to move out of here right now.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Good enough.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		This is CBC.
		We are the ones.
		Good morning, everybody.
		If it's strange, weird, bizarre, unusual, you'll find it here.
unidentified		It's called Coast to Coast AM, Middle of the Night Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I appreciate you being out there for us to be able to talk to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to ask you a question about the Hailbop comment, and I wanted to ask a question about that supposedly fraudulent picture.
		Okay.
		Do you think it's possible that during the process of that original picture being taken, that there was a sequence of pictures being taken, and that there's also a possibility that in one of those sequences there would have been another bright light adjacent to anything is possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, that photograph was taken within 10 to 15 minutes by a telescope the size of the one in Hawaii from a location that had to be near Hawaii.
unidentified		Yeah, we assume from the information that's come out that it has to have been taken from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you're suggesting something zoomed in and zoomed out, I guess you could theorize anything you wanted, but that, you know.
unidentified		I've been sticking pretty close to everything that you've been talking about so far and how the things have expanded.
		It just so happens that I was listening the night of the 14th, and then I ordered the tapes from you and have the original set of tapes, and I've recorded a lot of the information about it.
		And I noticed that a lot of times during the process that there were people that would look for the companion, and sometimes it would be there, and sometimes it wouldn't be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		And so I was thinking that, do you think there's at all a possibility that the individuals connected with all this information are being genuine and it's not a fraud, and yet it appears to be presented that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, if you're asking my opinion, my opinion is there is a fraud.
unidentified		Most definitely in your mind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, you're a privilege to a lot more of the things.
		In other words, everything that you discuss with people doesn't come out over the air, and I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I know has come out over the air, sir.
unidentified		Well, I'm talking about, like, say for instance, Mr. Brown has two or three hours worth of conversation with whoever that individual was that was supposed to have given him the pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was not privy to that.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And so even when we listen to your programs, there can be hours and hours and hours of conversation that we would want to talk about, but you can only fit so much information in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true, sir.
unidentified		I choose to think that Courtney Brown was very forthcoming and very honest about his description on the 14th.
		And I also choose to think that perhaps sometime in his life he had an experience where he had a bad experience where he thought it was necessary from now on that if anything like this comes up, I'm going to take the responsibility.
		Perhaps he had a bad thing happen to him like you had happened to you in your youth when you had the chair pulled out from underneath of you.
		So you're not so inclined to believe in religious things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not fair.
		That's not even true.
		I'm less inclined to get close to the mic.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Oh, geez.
		Hey, listen, guess what, folks?
		They have opened a bulletin board on my webpage, a bulletin board service.
		Now, the mailing list is no more.
		We now have a bulletin board.
		It is now officially open.
		And let me read you some of the topics.
		Coast-to-coast AM topics.
		Dreamland guests.
		Linda Moulton Howe, Lisa's Odds and Ends, whoever Lisa is, oh my God, whatever that is, politics, the quickening, the registry of dreams, ooh, cool, truth or trash, wildcard line, first-time caller Line, message board news, and the funny bone.
		All of those have message threads in them, and you can go up there and read them.
		So we now have an official bulletin board online on the webpage, www.artbell.com.
		Cool.
		I just found it myself.
		I knew it was coming, but I didn't know when it would officially be there.
		It is now officially there.
		On my webpage, www.artbell.com.
		Now that's the way to do a message board.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, I'm delighted.
unidentified		My name is Kyle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kyle?
unidentified		Yes, and I'm close to where the Northbridge quake took place.
		And what I'm going to tell you and your listeners is absolute truth.
		I worked with the Department of Interior for many years.
		There is no remote viewing.
		By God, if we had had it, we certainly would have done better than just predicting the Whittier, the Nicaraguan, the Mexico City, and the Prisco quake.
		I don't believe a thing about this guy, Courtney, whoever he is, but we literally did the hard work.
		We did this with a computer, with astrology, we did it with dream sensory work that was not ever programmed.
		It was true.
		And I don't know who you're trying to bamboozle there, but this was hard work well done.
		It can be proven.
		And I will give you my number off the air to have you call me, and I will prove this to you.
		We worked with, and the only problem was the branch that we worked with was taken over by the Air Force when George Bush became the president.
		This is absolute truth, and I'm on the level.
		We did this work, and the Whittier quake was predicted exactly where and the magnitude.
		The San Francisco baseball quake, as we saw it, was predicted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how come you didn't tell anybody?
unidentified		Well, because they literally told me at the survey that if you tell people, we will say we don't know you.
		But this has gone too far.
		If remote viewing had been the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why don't you call this program before an earthquake and tell us so we can verify?
unidentified		Because what good would it do?
unidentified		The chain of command that goes on quake predictions would be not to alarm the public, but it goes from federal tools.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I alarm the public all the time.
		No sweat here.
		But if you want to make a quake prediction, you can do it.
unidentified		Here.
		I literally, no, but this has been done.
		The chain of command goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, sir, I'm giving you a way to absolutely.
unidentified		No, I will give you a way to contact me because, frankly, to alarm the public is not the way to go.
		So you're going to call me, give me the prediction, let me make it so I don't want to go with it.
		There's no prediction.
		I'm telling you that if there were remote viewing, we would have known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm saying forget the remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying you've got prediction of quakes.
unidentified		I'm saying we have done this.
		Well, then, prove it.
		Prove it in what way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you had for breakfast, a bagel and a frail's beer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next time they call you up saying this.
unidentified		No, no, I am completely out of touch with them now because the lead on has retired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, you don't get any more predictions.
unidentified		No, I am the one who predicts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you predict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're saying you're predicting yourself, but you won't.
unidentified		I have no desire to alarm the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then when you decide to let the public know, let me know, and we'll proceed.
		Until then, only you and I guess your hairdresser will know.
		Maybe not even your hairdresser.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, it's PJ from Panion Touch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		That's good.
unidentified		Well, first of all, I'd like to offer congratulations to the X-Files for sweeping the Golden Globe Awards for sci-fi for best drama, which is quite an accomplishment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
unidentified		And the other thing I wanted to ask you is when do you think you'll have Dr. Martin back on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malachi Martin?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say any time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a couple of complications to having him back on, though.
unidentified		Okay.
		Because he's very fascinating to listen to.
		Oh, yes.
		And the last thing is I wanted to ask you, see if you knew, or maybe you could ask Richard Oglin, was you know how planets rotate around from like east to west around a star or a sun?
		Is it possible for a planet to rotate from north to south?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that answer your question?
unidentified		Yes, I just never heard of one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would think a planet could be in rotation with respect in any direction.
		Could be in orbit, any sort of orbit.
		Wildcard line, if that's the question, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I have a question to ask.
		I tried to call you the other night when you had Dreamland on to see if I could get an answer, and perhaps maybe someone in the listening audience or yourself might have an answer to this.
		I used to live in a haunted house, and various things took place in the house, but the most startling thing was one night the entire house, except for the front poyer, the kitchen, and the bathroom, filled up with fog.
		The fog was about four feet from the floor, and that's as far up as it went.
		I live about a mile and a half from the ocean, so I opened up all the doors and windows.
		The house faced west, so I always have a breeze.
		The fog did not move.
		It sat there for four hours.
		I have yet to be able to find out what significance this had and how it was related.
		We even crawled under the house to verify that there was no fog under the house.
		The house was about three and a half feet off the ground with hardwood floors.
		And there was no fog under the house either.
		And I've been told that it is a described type of haunting scenario, but I haven't been able to find out what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, my guess would have been perfect for that, of course, so I don't have that answer, but that's very interesting.
unidentified		It was very weird and rather startly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think it was?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I know who was doing the haunting in the house.
		I lived there for 18 years and became very accustomed to it.
		There was an old man that I saw on several occasions walking around in the house, and what I would hear late at night, and everyone that stayed in the house visiting or living there heard it as well, was old radio stations.
		They were hearing fireside chats of FDRs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remarkable.
unidentified		And I think I had the impression that the old man was waiting for his son to return from the war, but he never came home.
unidentified		And only on two occasions did I see someone who was in Army uniform in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to tell you.
		That's one of those great stories that will just have to hang.
		And we have a lot of guests that respond to that sort of thing.
		So next time we have one, by all means, call.
		In the meantime, weird.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Will, Madison, Wisconsin, listening to WLS.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Walter, I'm just fine.
unidentified		You know, I'm a cynic, and you're a very courteous man.
		You allow people to call in and say, for example, that there's a golden city in the background.
		I believe somebody called in from Milwaukee, Wisconsin this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You're very courteous to those people.
unidentified		I am sometimes mystified by what happens, and I'm sure you are, by, for example, you alleging that you saw what you believe to be a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not alleging it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying it's a fact.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A personal eyewitness.
unidentified		Okay.
		If you'll be courteous enough to hear my mystifying true story.
		As you know, I travel searching old maps, for example.
		I came back from Europe a couple of years ago, and here at our University of Wisconsin, we have the world authority on old maps.
		He's the editor-in-chief of the History of Cartography.
		I'm not going to say his last name.
		Let's just use the first name, Dave.
		And I showed him an old map, and he said, Will, you have got to go down to the Time Museum.
		I said, Time Museum?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is this the wooden map you've told us about before?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		But I don't want to get off on a tangent.
		Be courteous to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Will, courteous also requires that I understand what you're talking about, though.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you've talked about the wood map before?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the same one.
unidentified		That's the wooden map.
unidentified		I had a photo of it where allegedly it was carved in 353 before Christ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's a carving of the Ankh, for example, on the upper reaches of the Nile, and the word carved in the wood, Ongola Norte.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, and I just wanted to be sure that's what we were talking about.
unidentified		Right.
		So now there's a time museum, and you'll be interested in this.
		Did you know that there was a man who had a patent on all these machines that take the dust off the carpets?
		What do you call them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vacuum clean.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
unidentified		I'm sorry, I'm too intelligent for those little things, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Just a little humor there.
		Anyway, in that museum is the world's first time clock.
		A big, huge thing.
		It's the size of a living room.
		This man was a multi-millionaire, and he bought it in England and brought it over to America.
		It's over in Rockford, Illinois.
		And those who are interested in time might be interested in that little interesting museum.
		So, he says, let's make an appointment for you tomorrow morning, 10 o'clock.
		Okay.
		So, I have an appointment the next morning, 10 o'clock.
		In that afternoon, I just came in from Europe.
		I'm tired.
		I'm driving down East Washington Avenue.
		I see an object on the road.
		I see people swerving.
		I pull over, pick it up.
		It's a coach.
		I go home.
		I open it up.
		There's a big, thick wallet in a coach.
		A lot of slips of paper, credit cards, et cetera.
		I find out the people are from Alaska.
		And I see that they've stayed overnight at the University of Wisconsin.
		They had a guest hotel or something like that.
		I called a man.
		It's about 5 p.m.
		He says, I'm too tired right now.
		I'm just knocking off.
		Bring the coat in, the wallet, and everything.
		I'll get in touch with them up in Alaska tomorrow.
		I said, okay, I go to sleep.
		I wake up the next morning.
		And there's a lot of papers, a lot of phone numbers.
		And I decide, I'll take a chance.
		I'll call one number.
		I don't know where it is.
		I call it, and the lady answered on the phone.
		She said, have you found a coat?
		I said, yes.
		A wallet?
		Yes.
		That's my parents.
		They're coming down from Alaska, and they're coming to visit me here in Chicago.
		I said, well, where are they?
		They're at the Time Museum Motel in Rockford, Illinois.
		They have lost a coat.
		They left it on the top of their car, and it blew off as they left Madison, Wisconsin.
		I said, they're at the Time Museum Motel.
		I'm scheduled to be there at 10 a.m.
		Will you call them and let them know to meet me at the entrance of the museum?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we've got to get to the conclusion of this story.
unidentified		The point is that how could that be possible?
		Nothing prearranged.
		I accidentally found their coat, their wallet.
		They're staying overnight.
		The next morning, I'm scheduled to be there.
		There they are.
		They get their wallet.
		Everybody's just amazed.
		I'm mystified.
		They're mystified.
		How can something like that happen?
		Is there more to life than death and strife?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course there is, Will.
		Thank you.
		Of course, there is.
		Is everything a coincidence?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
		There are more things than we understand.
		And anybody who would not allow for that is foolish, naive, or just simply doesn't want to know.
		And there are a lot of people comfortable in ignorance.
		There are many things we do not understand.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art Bell.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mark from Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I sent you a couple emails a little while back.
unidentified		One was on the plutonium on Gale Leo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Do you remember that?
		I do.
		What'd you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you explain to the audience, you're referring to what's going to go crashing in.
unidentified		Right, right.
		Well, I had watched a video on like the Panic Project, you know, being the alien invasion and so forth, kind of like a hoax and so forth.
		And that there was also a special payload on Galileo satellite.
		Yes.
		50 pounds of plutonium, 49, they said.
		Yes.
		And it aligns with the movie Space Odyssey 2010.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that it would be turned into a sun.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Ignited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Literally ignited.
unidentified		Right.
		And it would serve, I feel it would serve like two purposes.
		One, it would be like an experiment on Europa where it doesn't cover its life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're supposed to keep our hands off Europa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw that movie.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mess around with the rest, but hands off Europa.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And then also to serve as a second son to help some of the problems we have here on Earth, as explained, like in the book of 2010.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem with that is that it would be a great disturbance to a lot of people to have another sun out here.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, so that it wouldn't get dark.
unidentified		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My program, for example, wouldn't be the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would get dark.
unidentified		Exactly.
		The thing that's fascinating is they call it Lucifer in the book, which was pretty interesting.
		I also sent you another email on the Mount Graham, the telescope.
		Yes.
		And how I said that I feel that they are going to align themselves up with the scientists and say that, yes, it is evolution, and that we can see it also and try to deceive the church or the whole church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Pope, sir, thank you, has already made a statement saying that evolution is more than just a theory.
		Now, what does that imply to you?
		Evolution is more than a theory.
		It gives weight to the argument for evolution.
		A lot of Catholics went when he said that.
		How could the Pope possibly be saying that?
		Well, he's speaking for himself.
		But at other times, when you talk to Catholics about the Pope, every word he utters is the word, right?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Arabel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me, all right.
unidentified		I do, sir.
unidentified		Let me turn my radio off for a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		Because I can hear you on there.
unidentified		It sounds like you're talking to somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's because you have your radio on.
unidentified		Oh, really?
		Okay, is that delayed?
		Hey, I call you in on a subject I'll get to in a minute.
		But I had an interesting phone call.
		I got a digital one-digit wrong.
		And this lady comes on the phone as one of these exotic recordings and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of these sex lines, you mean?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of these sex lines?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did you talk to her?
unidentified		No.
		No, you know, it was a recording.
		They give a number.
		I thought, well, this is interesting.
		What the heck?
		Because I've been trying to get through to you for about, you know, an hour or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a diversion if you can't get through, I guess, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I guess so.
		Anyways, this is a long phone number.
		I thought, well, heck, I'll try this out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got about 30 seconds.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
		It's a long phone number and everything.
		And it ends up a number in Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Israel.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I call a phone company and everything, and I got out that and everything.
		And I went through all that with them and says, well, you're calling Israel.
		Well, okay, this is, you know, interesting.
		And I realized what was going on, and I got trying to get a hold of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now we're out of time at the top of the hour here, so give us another call, all right?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		All right.
		Okay, I'll keep trying for that.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pardon that.
		Once again, here I am, top of the morning, everybody.
		I'll tell you an interesting phenomenon about talk radio.
		If you get a caller who obviously is a little disconnected, you know, not quite a fullback and all that, and you cut them short, people will email you and fax you and say, how can you be so rude to that person?
		If, on the other hand, you let them just ramble on, just to see if it really is going to go anywhere, people will send you email and vaxes saying, how can you let that psychotic ramble on like that?
		It doesn't matter which way you go.
		All right, back to it.
		We go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm calling from Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		And I have one comment and three real quick questions.
		All right.
		I got John Hoag's book, The Millennium Book of Prophecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Excellent book.
		Highly recommend it.
		All right.
		And the first question is, didn't Robert Ghostwolf, I believe his name is, talk about January 23rd and March 23rd as two big days?
		Yes, he did.
		Okay.
		Second question, can reverse speech work in the third person, do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		No, I don't think so.
		It has to come from the person expressing the emotions and the feelings.
unidentified		Okay, I understand.
		And if you were having, last question, if you were having an out-of-body experience and for some reason your body got jarred or awakened, could you lose your soul or consciousness or whatever's out there?
		Could that be separated from you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are differing views on that.
		My own personal take on it is I would be afraid to try an out-of-body experience.
		I've been close.
unidentified		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		That's my take.
unidentified		So I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really admit I'm chicken.
		I've been close.
		I've felt the beginning of the paralyzing feeling that you get.
		And I have always withdrawn very quickly from it.
		So I really can't answer that question.
		I suppose the fear I have is partially connected to that possibility.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		All right.
		Good morning.
		I'm Colin from Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roswell, yes, sir.
unidentified		I was wondering if you heard the latest theory coming out of New Mexico about the downing of PWA Flat 800.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
unidentified		Well, a defense lab engineer at Sandua National Laboratory has proposed that it may have been a giant methane bubble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A methane bubble?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Vented from the ocean floor.
		He gave a sighting of a recent explosion in Australia.
		And I was wondering if maybe the picture that was taken with Jose Escane's rod mix may have been, in fact, a methane bubble.
		I was just wondering what you thought about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is an interesting theory.
		I will think about it, and I will talk to others about it.
		Basically, the ocean having gas.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		I would suppose scientifically something like that is possible.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have been doing a lot of thinking about that.
		What about that object that traversed the upper atmosphere at one 100th the speed of light?
		What if something like that were to connect with an airplane in flight?
		I don't know.
		I suppose the NTSB is beginning to embrace some pretty wild theories because they have no absolute evidence yet.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Uncle Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'll be darned.
		I'm grateful to get you.
		You've got a great show.
		Thank you.
		This is Leo from L.A. Yes, Leo.
		Yeah, I got a couple of them for you here.
		A couple quickies, real quick.
		Ed Dames is going to be on your show on the 30th, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct Amundu.
unidentified		Can you ask him this question?
		I've been keeping track of him on your show ever since I found you.
		You're just fabulous.
		He's going to be gone in 98.
		Like he said, he's leaving in two years.
		His classes are sold out until 98.
		Right.
		So he's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Can you ask him if he's going to do a book or a transcript or some kind of a technical thing so we can self-teach ourselves or learn more about remote viewing?
unidentified		Would that be possible for you to remember that or write that down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will ask.
unidentified		That's great.
		One other question, because I know you've got a lot of callers.
		I'm here at KABC Land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And you're number one.
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said it's true.
unidentified		Yeah, but why did they cut out the first hour?
unidentified		I'm really upset about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		I'm sure you've heard it.
unidentified		What can I do to try to, you know, fix that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nothing at present.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will be an announcement soon.
unidentified		I shouldn't call the station or try to put some heat on their feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		No, no, don't do that.
		Things have been worked out, but I just can't announce anything right now.
unidentified		Well, you make it sound like it's going to be good, though.
		I mean, I want to hear you from the beginning to the end.
		I'm addicted.
		I'm addicted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hang in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's news coming.
unidentified		Well, thank you, sir, and I hope you don't get too wet tomorrow.
		There's a big rain coming here.
		It's been raining on and off all day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		You have a great one, and I hope your wife feels great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		There was an adjustment made at KBC so that we could have a block of programming that runs from 9 o'clock at night through 4 o'clock in the morning.
		And I am bound to some silence at the moment about what will occur.
		So as soon as I am told that I can tell you, I will.
		How's that?
		First time caller line, you're on there.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Yes.
		My name's Thor.
		I bet you that I'm calling from a country to which you have pledged allegiance to, but you do not live there anymore.
		Okay.
		That country is the American Republic.
		Okay.
		Remember the Pledge of Allegiance?
		I pledge allegiance to the flag, the Republic for which it stands?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		What's happened is here's the answer.
		Remember a while back you had a question.
		Why can't we have more than one wife?
		And why is marijuana illegal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The answer to all those questions is in the Constitution.
		Okay?
		Now, they took the 14th Amendment, and really, now I understand why everybody seems so nervous when they get finally on the air.
		They took the Constitution, the 14th Amendment, took the federal government and gave them the power to create a corporation.
		Now, this corporation, they gave it the same name as the geographical area that we all live in.
		They called it the United States of America.
		And they spell United with a capital U. Now, United, as far as I know, is not a proper noun.
		Unless, of course, it's the name of a company or a person.
		And they have divided the United States up into ten regions, which are identified by our zip codes.
		Starting on the east coast with zero, ending on the west coast with nine.
		And all of these federal regions are full of subjects to the 14th Amendment.
		And anyone who is subject to the 14th Amendment of the United States, the first through the 10th Amendment does not apply to those people.
		You follow me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hear you.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, you see, the 14th Amendment, they pretended like they were free in the slave.
		But what they did was they created a company and gave everyone an equal opportunity to join the company and get an employee ID number, i.e.
		Social Security number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question for you.
unidentified		Alrighty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are presently speaking over several hundred radio stations that are federally licensed.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are exercising your First Amendment privilege.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so it would appear...
unidentified		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me finish.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would appear that your First Amendment privilege remains intact.
		It would appear so.
		So it has not been invalidated?
unidentified		It would appear so.
		It would appear so.
		And everything is actually a great hallucination that they have created.
		You see, they've given everyone who is subject to the 14th Amendment and the federal government of the United States, which is only supposed to have a 10-mile jurisdiction.
		Now, here's proof for you, Art.
		If you go into a courtroom for, say, a violation of not wearing a seatbelt, and you see the American flag up behind the judge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The fringe, right?
unidentified		The gold fringe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gold fringe.
unidentified		That gold fringe is illegal according to Title IV of the United States Code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call, and I'm very, very, very familiar with all of your arguments.
		But in reality, the rights that you suggest you are not able to be part of right now, you are part of.
		So it's like you answered yes to that.
		Well, it would appear so, and just sort of kept on going.
		Why didn't that stop your argument?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, I just discovered you not too long ago.
unidentified		Pretty entertaining radio program you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		A little quirky at times, but I imagine you feel the same way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Intentionally that way, actually.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
		I'm a big skeptic, really.
		I don't haven't been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you skeptical of?
unidentified		Oh, all of this fringe stuff, you know, from the UFOs to more specifically, I'm more interested in the political.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe in God?
unidentified		Yeah, possibly.
		I don't know.
		I really haven't put too much thought into it lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		But what I was wanting to talk about was there was a caller last hour, I believe, a woman, who was asking you about a guest that you had on before.
		And she seemed to be implying that this guest was one of those conspiracy theorists, I believe, and he does some sort of interpretation into political speeches.
		Am I correct in what I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly David Oates, who does reverse speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
unidentified		Oh, well, are you one of the types of people that think that there's this one-world conspiracy thing going on and it's threatening our Bill of Rights and stuff like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that eventually there will be a one-world government, yes.
unidentified		Well, what do you fear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be an officer in it.
unidentified		You are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be subjecting people like you to slavery, detention camps.
unidentified		No, I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you don't cooperate, then we are going to re-educate you, and if we can't re-educate you, then we're going to put you in chambers and liquidate you.
unidentified		You're re-empsy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		So you're not one of those that is a conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
unidentified		Okay.
		That's good.
		I'll listen to your show more knowing that.
		You know, those people really are just too bizarre for me to even lend an ear to.
		There's this other network that we have here in Kansas City, For the People, or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		And they're all full of that.
		There's some guy on late nights, I think.
		The station's no longer here.
		It was taken over, thank God.
		But just idiots.
		They'd have guests in, and I was the only one who called in that offered up any dissent.
		And they were just totally shocked, and every caller from that point on responded to me.
		I even listened to the station the next morning where they had a completely different host, and they were talking about me, like a group of just wackos that...
		I totally agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Economic change will precede political change, and eventually, eventually, there is going to be probably a one-world order of some sort or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whether it'll come in our lifetimes or not, I don't know.
unidentified		Sure.
		That may be the case.
		And there's nothing to fear there for Christ's sakes.
		Look at the history of the world.
		We've been at war with one another since day one.
		And now that there's this big alliance, you know, the United Nations and NATO and so on and so forth, these nuts try to find something threatening in that.
		And it's just ludicrous.
		Do you want us to be in a perpetual state of war?
		That's absurd.
		And now that the countries are coming together and forming alliances, people got to find something threatening in that.
		It's just bizarre.
		And beyond that, there's this sort of preoccupation and delight that they receive from suggesting that these things possibly exist as if they would ever be able to prove it and as if it's a threat to them and the freedoms that we enjoy here in the United States, which is totally absurd.
		And it's just an attempt to pass those on to other countries that that right now are, you know, all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Um it could be a threat, uh depending upon how it develops, or which is less frequently considered, uh, it could work out all right.
		Suppose there was a one world organization eventually in our distant future that modeled itself after the freedoms that have worked so well for us.
		Is that not more likely than the other way around?
		I've always thought that myself.
		I'm Art Bell, and we will be right back.
		A little bit of the real thing.
unidentified		Corner Sisters, this ought to get the blood going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3.35 in the morning on the West Coast.
		Listen to this piano.
		And I'll tell you, if I could play the piano like that, I wouldn't be a talk host.
		High art, great stuff.
		When methane comes up under a ship, it drops straight to the bottom, shatters into a zillion pieces, leaves no trace.
		Same for planes.
		Probably the answer to the Bermuda Triangle and Lake Michigan.
		As for TWA, it fits better than the other three theories.
		I like it.
		That's from Basement John, who declares, give him a little time, and later tonight he intends to remote view the whole thing and report to us.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get an opportunity, you go out and pick this up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's best to the point of systems.
unidentified		That'll get you going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to it.
		First time caller line.
		Call us toll-free at 1-800-618-8255.
unidentified		That's why I said it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, I had to cut that out.
unidentified		Again, I'm not allowed to give you last name, no last name.
unidentified		Yes, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give us your first name.
		Ryles, so you know.
		What is your first name?
		Rick.
		Okay.
unidentified		I'm from Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I want to report on an article in Tuesday, January 21st, New York Times Science Section.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And you would be very interested in it because it is a theory by some professors at the University of Washington in Seattle.
		And they're at Los Alamos right now.
		And it's about the, they're measuring the force in a vacuum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, otherwise, I believe, known as zero-point energy.
unidentified		Yes, but this is a little different, and they're extending it into many other fields.
unidentified		I could send this to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be happy if you would.
		I think, though, that that is what they're talking about, isn't it?
		Zero-point?
unidentified		No, no, they don't even mention that any place.
unidentified		They call it the measuring the force of universal flux.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's zero point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other people call it zero point.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, it might be the same thing.
		And they're measuring it in what they call a foam.
		A space foam.
		Yep.
		Okay, I need your box number.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		P.O. Box 4755.
unidentified		4755.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In PROP.
unidentified		I go to PROP all the time.
unidentified		I have a friend that lives there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you know how to spell it then?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prop, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zip code 89041-4755.
unidentified		Okay, what's that complete tip now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		89041-4755.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Another thing about remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I tried it a couple times, and I've almost had out-of-body experiences, too, like you did, but I always check it out.
		When I get that electrical feeling and paralysis, I don't want to leave until I come back.
		Anyway, I tried a couple experiments on the Flight 800, and I came up with an interior view of the plane.
		And it was a missile, according to what I imagined.
		It might just be fancy.
		But I saw it clearly, and it didn't go through the whole plane.
		It was stuck in the spars in the center tank.
		Just like one of the series.
		I saw the whole thing in color.
		I didn't see any passengers, though.
		Huh.
		Well, I'm a technical illustrator.
		I can illustrate the thing completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can actually imagine it.
		I can conjure up that view in my mind.
		The only problem is that there were no holes to indicate a missile penetrated the airplane.
		That's the problem.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And it was lodged in one of the spars of the plane, but that could easily be dislodged by the explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wouldn't you think they would have found parts of the missile?
unidentified		Not necessarily, because the missile was whole, and it was like a practice missile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		of practice, Mr. Wallet.
		Well, listen, thank you very much, but still, number one, they found no holes in the airplane to indicate penetration of that sort.
		And that's easily discernible by the way the metal would be bent inward because of the outside penetration.
		Number two, they found no Parts from a missile.
		Or, if you're of a mind to imagine a conspiracy, they're covering it up.
		Whatever.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, this is Kennon.
		All right.
		And I heard you say earlier that life was just without coincidence.
		I'm sorry.
		You said with coincidence.
		Can you restate that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall discussing coincidences, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, if you look up the definition of a conjunction, the second definition is coincidence.
		And the first would be astrological bodies within seven degrees of each other.
		So all that is coincidence, the sum is just ignorance of the astrological things.
		Okay.
		And it's just a comment.
		All right.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not exactly sure what we said there.
		Wildguard line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Eric and when Adjusting T U on KPQ.
		Yes, sir.
		For a real quick theme.
		Stephen Gibbs, maybe one of the reasons why no one is, a lot of people don't come back is maybe this is some type of like soul sucker machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they don't want to come back.
unidentified		Gibbs, second theme.
unidentified		Did you see X-Files last week?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About Chupacabra?
unidentified		No, this was about these two teenagers that got kidnapped, and it turned out the aliens that adducted them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
unidentified		Oh.
		Well, it turned out the abductors were actually Air Force guys dressed up as aliens, and then they were abducted by another being that no one could figure out what it was.
		Huh.
		Okay, the third thing, the Raiders coach, do you have any idea who it will be who you'd like to see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at this moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking about that, though.
unidentified		Okay, and my final theme is how do you get to the Grassy Knoll on AOL?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just go in and enter, you know, keyword, right?
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just enter keyword art belt.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		And you will go to the Periscope area and then Grassy Knoll is, you just click on that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, hi, my name is Todd from Seattle.
		Hey, Todd.
		Yeah, about the quickening and stuff.
		To me, it seems like the whole system we have now, the whole economic and financial system and governmental system we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Todd, what kind of phone are you on?
unidentified		A phone.
unidentified		I don't know, just a regular phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a light on above it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's full of hump.
unidentified		Oh, well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a portable phone?
unidentified		Nope, it's just a regular home phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's try and experiment.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn off that light.
unidentified		Okay, hold on.
		Just for grids.
		How's that?
		Is it still there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's still humming, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I can barely hear you, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, very odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, anyway.
unidentified		Alright, um, yeah, uh, but anyhow, like the whole system that we have now, I think the quickening is like a the earth way of getting rid of it.
unidentified		And like the end of the world won't be the end of the earth, but just the end of this system that we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, effectively, for us, it's the end, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if the world keeps going around and renews itself eventually, but we're not here to observe that, to us it has ended.
unidentified		Unless we've changed with the earth and it become more natural, like you want this to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that will be the survivors.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Are you a survivor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's a very, very good question, and I don't know the answer at the moment.
		I really don't.
		Maybe not.
		Maybe I'm not a survivor of what is coming.
		I don't know.
		I don't know that I would want to be.
		But I reserve some time to think about that.
		You are the first one to ask me that question, and I don't have a ready answer for you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing there, Arbel?
		All right.
		Kirk in Mucho Mucho, rainy Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear it's on the way.
unidentified		Oh, no, it's raining like a storm blaster here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		But Art, there was a story here in the Northern California paper, San Jose Mercury, that was similar to yours.
unidentified		They broadcast today on our local ABC affiliate yesterday on our news broadcast, a story based on the U.S. forestry that there was a mountain lion problem by Sunset Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And so, you know, the news broadcast, you know, they alerted, you know, everyone that there were sightings of cougars and mountain lions.
		And so tonight, day after the alert, they gave a retraction stating that it was fraudulent and that there were no mountain lions.
		That there was no mountain lion and that they were going after the perpetrators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the hoax.
unidentified		It was a hoax, yeah, just like kind of your deal.
unidentified		But, you know, my point is, is the news company and also with the U.S. Forestry, they were both combined, they were both going to go after them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
unidentified		Well, my point is, is why isn't your radio company going after really the truth on this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because we have somebody who will not give us access to either the name of, in other words, we are pursuing what leads we have, but we're kind of stopped.
		What I would suggest to you is to read the statement by Courtney Brown.
		It's on my webpage, and without being given access to the additional physical evidence, and he will not allow that, we can't follow.
unidentified		Yeah, I understand.
		But, you know, it just seems to me that it's a third cut.
		I mean, Courtney Brown came off as a professor at a college.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you're absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's why I bought it and put it on the air in the first place.
unidentified		Oh, exactly.
		And I would have put it on myself, too.
		I mean, the thing is, Courtney Brown came off as very credible and top 10 astronomer in the United States and collaborated.
		I would have put the same story on.
		And so, you know, I'm just using a story here locally that was shown to be a fraud with a mountain lion alert here in South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, we are a network, and we can investigate as a news organization would, but we cannot investigate officially as a government agency would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a difference.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		But they were going to, you know, their intention is to find who did this and to press charges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		But there is no law that's broken by perpetrating a fraudulent image on a picture.
		There are ethical and moral violations, clearly, very serious ones.
unidentified		Oh, I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not legal ones.
unidentified		So there is a difference.
		Okay.
		Okay, we'll get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		There are some very, very serious ethical and moral questions involved in this, but not legal ones.
		And that is an important distinction with reference to the context of the last conversation.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, this is Todd from Westport.
		Hi.
		I was calling about the aliens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What aliens?
unidentified		The aliens, we had a sighting here in Westport not too long ago.
		It was some friends of mine.
		We were at the beach, and we were having a bonfire in the silver circle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beach aliens?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Out here at the Cove of Westport.
		We're like the closest beach town to Seattle, so most of the people from Seattle come here to surf.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They weren't surfing, were they?
unidentified		No.
		No, no.
		No, surfing anyway.
		Anyway, we were having our drum circle and playing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Drum circle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you were dancing?
unidentified		No, no, no.
		Drum circle.
		We were all playing drum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see, all right.
unidentified		And having a choir.
		And it was unbelievable.
		Out along the horizon, at first it looked like a a ship with really bright halogen lights that you know.
		And it was just unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did they do?
unidentified		Well, they came and they kept on getting closer and closer.
unidentified		And they finally landed on the beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Near your drum beating.
unidentified		Well, approximately 200 feet away from it.
		I'm going to admit.
		I, uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like you're having a hard time there, right?
unidentified		Oh, I am.
unidentified		It just recently happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they landed, and the ramp of the ship came down?
unidentified		No, no ramp at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No ramp?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they jump down then?
unidentified		No, they were down, completely down, on the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how did they get out of the ship?
unidentified		They climbed out of the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then jumped?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		They climbed, and then they floated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They floated?
unidentified		Yeah, see, there was much need to climb and they can float.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they floated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then what?
unidentified		Well, they floated over to us and started talking about President Clinton.
		And they were really, really...
		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only the President.
unidentified		Only the President.
		Very concerned.
		I mean, I don't think they have news very often.
		Very concerned about the zero tolerance plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next four years?
unidentified		Yeah, the next four years and that darn zero tolerance plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zero tolerance.
unidentified		Zero tolerance.
unidentified		Very angry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I thought when you first told me all this?
		Well, yeah, hung up.
		I thought they were upset about your drums.
		You know, kind of like when somebody pulls up alongside your car with a loud beat, as another caller said earlier.
		I thought they were kind of upset with your drum beating.
		But they were obviously beating the drums for something else.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Tom calling from Tucson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I have a question.
unidentified		When you give up being king of the talk show, Circuit, and become involved in this New World Order, do you have an opening for a longtime listener as a member of your cabinet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be considering that, of course.
		You've got to be absolutely ruthless, ready to subject the average citizen to horrible injustices at a moment's notice, to remove their civil rights and laugh as you do it, to put them in camps and re-educate them when they will not bow to our orders.
		Are you that kind of guy?
unidentified		Well, that sounds pretty good to me.
		That sounds like a finance minister.
		I could handle that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're my kind of guy.
		I mean, make an application.
		Send me a resume.
unidentified		Okay, it sounds good.
unidentified		You know, I have an article here I got out of the Houston Chronicle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it states that NASA's Galileo spacecraft has the first evidence of ice flows on Europa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And I don't know, it just seems a little Strange that this is the first evidence mentioned when you know you have a guest that has mentioned this many, many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard Hoagland, actually, he mentioned that, and that was verified by Carl Sagan many years ago, sir.
		So that is a theory being confirmed and one great check mark for Richard Hoagland.
		There is no question about it.
		Listen, my program appears to be over.
		So from beach bongo aliens to a good theory confirmed by Richard Hoagland, you get the honor.
		Say goodnight, America.
unidentified		Thank you very much.

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