Wayne Green, ham radio pioneer and author of Making Money, A Beginner’s Guide, recounts his WWII submarine service—freeing jammed bowplanes at 400 feet and evading "death charges"—while critiquing FCC licensing changes and Morse code debates. He champions fringe health theories like shark cartilage (20–30g daily) and the Bioelectrifier (patent 5,518,738), dismissing mainstream medicine’s reliance on patentable drugs. Green also speculates on Amelia Earhart’s 1937 crash near Maduro Atoll, suppressed by U.S.-Japan secrecy, and links soil demineralization to health crises via Dead Doctors Don’t Lie. Skeptical of aliens’ overt presence but citing Humanity’s Extraterrestrial Origins, he warns ham bands may be auctioned off. His $5 booklets and DIY devices offer radical alternatives to conventional systems, urging listeners to question authority and embrace self-reliance. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
And welcome to yet another edition of Coast to Coast AM.
From the Hawaiian and Taitian Island chains, all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
Because of my interest in amateur radio, I joined the Navy for World War II.
You've read about that in the history books.
Sure.
And that got me into electronic school, which is one of the best things that has happened to me in my lifetime.
I don't know, I think this is probably the only time in history that the government has ever done anything right.
But the electronic school that the Navy had was superb.
And from there, we had a lecture one day about how much fun it was in a submarine when I was in that electronic school, so I volunteered for submarines and spent the rest of the war on a submarine and had a lot of exciting adventures.
And I always wanted to ask about that, if I can stop you for a second.
What is it like in a submarine?
It seems hostophobic.
It seems dangerous.
When I watch movies that have to do with subs, it always shows them going down here, crushed it, and you know the sounds coming from the sides of the hull and so forth.
And we went just as fast as we could on the surface, but they were catching up with us, so we dove.
And since we'd been going all ahead flank, the bowplane stuck.
And I found out about it because my job was to run through the control room into the forward torpedo room up in the forward end of the submarine and lower the sound heads and then go back up into the conning tower and operate the sound equipment.
So as I was running through the control room, I heard the man on the bow plane say, the bow planes are stuck.
I can't get them off full dive.
And I knew that wasn't a good situation.
And so as I kept on running, I got up to the Ford torpedo room and I yelled at them up there to get off the torpedoes for a minute and get a pry bar and pry the bow planes loose.
So they quick ran over there and pried them loose.
We were in what was called a 300-foot submarine.
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That was, it was designed to be safe to 300-foot depth.
Listen, while we're on the subject of ham radio, I've got a ARRL bulletin here in my hands, and it says, and you can tell me what this means because I'm not sure, a committee proposal for modifications to the FCC amateur licensing structure is to be published shortly in QST.
Members will be invited to comment to their directors before May 31st of 97.
The board will not take action on the committee recommendations earlier than the July meeting of the boards to afford members an opportunity for discussion and comment.
And to be honest, technology has moved so far that it is way beyond the ability of the average amateur to tackle a problem in a very, very sophisticated computer-like transceiver.
Yes, but it is not beyond the amateur to get onto packet radio, to get on to slow scan, to get onto RTTY, and all of the different facets that we have.
We have about 73 different hobbies.
And of course, the building hobby is one that is fading away.
I still publish articles on simple construction projects in 73 magazine, and the readers love them.
But, gee, there's just not that many people building anymore, and it's hard to get parts.
Because it's run by a bunch of old men, that's why.
I believe that amateur radio still has a very valid use and need in the world as a way to interest youngsters in communication and interest them in learning about electronics and communications because it's fun to do.
And it is fun to take a balloon out there and hang a television camera on it and send it up.
It's fun to do all of these different things.
And yes, of course, we don't have to work as we call it, what we call DX the hard way anymore.
We can work it on the Internet.
But it's still fun to get on the air and talk to somebody over in Australia or somebody in China on 20 meters.
I see a bleak future right now because the ARRL, our only national organization, and really it's kind of international because they run the international aspect of it too, because they have not figured out any good, valid reason for amateur radio to exist today.
As I say, the only major benefit that I see that we could provide quid pro quo for the frequencies we're using is a way of interesting youngsters in high-tech careers.
Now, back before the ARRL proposed what was called, what they called incentive licensing, and that was 30 years ago, back before they did that, amateur radio was growing at 11% per year, and 80% of all newcomers were teenagers.
And we had a network of thousands of radio clubs and schools that were attracting youngsters and getting them into the hobby.
And 80% of those youngsters went on to high-tech careers.
So amateur radio was the major source for engineers, scientists, and technicians in this country.
But we stopped all that in 1965, 1964, when with one stroke, the ARL stopped the growth of Amber Radio, went into a negative growth for several years, wiped out roughly 90% of the school radio clubs,
wiped out 85% of all of the ham radio stores in the country, wiped out 95% of the manufacturers all in two years.
I've been on Okinawa, it's KR-6DK, and I had all these privileges, and I came home, found out about incentive licensing, and almost went out of my mind.
Wayne, tang Tight, we're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll be right back.
Many, many things to talk about with Wayne Green.
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I give lectures at colleges quite a lot on entrepreneuring.
And every time I ask, and I'm usually talking to the seniors, and I ask, I said, well, now, how many of you are familiar with amateur radio?
And maybe two or three hands will go up out of a couple hundred people.
And well, isn't it something like C D?
They've never heard of it.
And, you know, the idea of being able to sit down and just sit and talk with somebody, as we now can on the Internet, but been able to do this all my life, talk with people anywhere in the world.
And, of course, it's led, as I said, to adventures.
You know, I've operated from the King's Palace sitting there with the king.
I've operated from the embassy, American Embassy in Tehran, the famous one.
There's a big brouhaha going on now in the courts and in the country about something called micro-broadcasting.
Stephen Dunover, Radio 3 Berkeley, and that crowd, they're throwing transmitters on the air, on the AM and FM band, on license, and they're broadcasting to people.
I'm afraid that I agree with you, but here's what I thought, Wayne.
Instead of letting everything go willy-nilly into the present broadcast bands, AM and FM, since so much of shortwave and even to some degree VHF, is going satellite and it's freeing up some of these frequencies, why not allocate a new,
this is my idea, a new AM band somewhere between the top of the present AM band and 3 megahertz, say, and a new FM band somewhere, I don't know, up above 6 meters, below the present FM band, someplace, and allow people to put on 10 or 20 watt
commercial stations if they can manage to get somebody to sponsor them, and then we'll fire up a whole new industry selling new radios that could pick it up, and you'd have all these little individual neighborhood community broadcast stations, unlicensed, perhaps regulated only to the seven deadly words or whatever.
Well, at least in the beginning, but everything has to have a beginning somewhere, and if we allow them to go in the present commercial bands, there is going to be some havoc.
Because I pointed out, I said, you know, golly, you know, we were talking about me living on a 200-acre farm up here in the mountains of New Hampshire.
And I don't care whether it's a big corporation or a small company or anything else, you're not going to make much money or have much freedom if you're working for someone else.
So what you want to do is have your own company.
Now, that takes a lot of experience and training.
There's a lot of things you want to know before you have your own company, and it's very expensive to learn on your own.
And ridiculous to do that because you've got endless number of people who will pay you to learn and love to have it.
And I'm going to write another booklet which essentially says, look, anybody who wants to get a job out there can get a job without a resume, without going to the newspapers and looking for help wanted, without going to an employment agency.
So go to a company, a small company, maybe 5, 10, 15 people, and talk to the owner and say, look, you've got a lot of things you need to have fun around here and you've got nobody to do them.
And if I don't know how to do something, I will learn.
And I'll do anything you want.
I'll work half-time so you don't have to pay unemployment and all of those extra taxes and so forth.
There, they can't just drop everything and go to work.
For the older people, what I recommend is you have learned some skills, hopefully, in working for other people.
And you can certainly see where there is a need for some kind of a product, perhaps an information product, that you could start with in your spare time.
And it's a better way to use your time than sitting there watching ball games.
I highly recommend, if you're an expert in something, to start with a newsletter.
a call Yesterday, actually I've been in touch with this young man for some time who listened to your program on my show some time ago and gave up what he was doing and began a newsletter called Prophecy Today.
I'm going to give him an interview.
And he said, when Wayne gets on tonight, be sure and thank him because I'm on my own.
It takes kids from four years old on through 20, and they have no classrooms, they have no classes, they have no curriculum.
The kids come in when they want, go when they want, and it is their responsibility for their education.
The school makes anything available that they need, and if the group get together and say, we want to learn mathematics, they set it up and have a class in mathematics every day for them.
And they found that they could teach eight years of mathematics in 20 hours because the kids are so anxious to learn.
I have studied, well, of course, on my list of books that you're crazy if you don't read, I have a number of them which describe how terrible our school system is and why.
One of the things, when children come along at two, three, four, five years old, they have certain periods where they're supposed to learn certain things according to their normal development.
Of course, everybody's a little bit different.
And our school system puts everybody in lockstep.
If you're five years old, you learn this.
If you're six years old, you learn that.
Or else.
And of course, people don't work that way.
And it makes it so that we end up with a population that is not motivated, is not creative.
Then how do you explain the Japanese that, if anything, are more structured than we are by a long shot, and yet they're turning out technically competent youth?
And you're trying to tell people, regardless of their educational level, how they can become independent and how they can become wealthy, and you can do that.
And the educational level really has very little to do with it.
Unless, of course, you have learned not to learn.
I read constantly, and I think any successful person, well, if you take a look at the people in Who's Who, they did a survey, and they found they read an average of 20 books a year.
They did a survey of teachers, and they found that they read an average of one book a year.
And from what I can see from the book, if anybody has cancer or knows anybody with cancer, they have to be absolutely totally crazy not to read this book.
I said, Lane makes a very convincing case for shark cartilage being able to cure just about any cancer, as well as arthritis, psoriasis, and macular degeneration.
As with any other non-pharmaceutical remedies, the medical industry has been fighting this as quackery.
Lane points out how reactionary the industry is.
Despite endless claims for the Heimlich maneuver for choking victims, the American Red Cross refused to accept it for 10 years, continuing to endorse backslapping which causes the stuck object to be even tighter stuck in the throat.
The money in the trillion-dollar medical industry, the most profitable industry in the U.S., is in drugs, which can be patented.
So if an illness isn't to be cured with a drug, there is no organization to research the proposed cure.
Well, you ask, how about the National Cancer Institute?
Surely they'll check out any proposed cancer cure, right?
Wrongo.
It turns out that the NCI, quote, does not deal in cures for cancer, but only in the mechanisms of cancer, unquote, and that's from NCI.
Maybe that helps to Explain why so many reported cancer cures have been completely ignored by the NCI.
And since about 50% of us are going to have a personal brush with cancer at some time in our lives, maybe we need to better educate ourselves and depend less religiously on our doctors.
I don't sell any of these books except two that are not available anywhere else.
And that's the one about NASA Mooned America, which makes a very good case for NASA having taked the whole landing series.
And since then, I've gotten a lot more response from readers who were involved with NASA and with other companies like that saying, yes, we thought so at the time, and we didn't dare say so.
Well, one of the books on my list has to do with that by Dr. Faber, and it really is very enthusiastically supporting silver.
The only negative that I've seen so far, and unfortunately this is from a very good source, this is Dr. William Douglas of Second Opinion, and I really have not found him off base yet.
Worse, we're using tons of antibiotics to stimulate growth and the animals we eat.
Your supermarket doesn't tell you what you're getting along with your chicken and beef packages.
And your doctor isn't going to tell you what great stuff, like monkey virus, SB40, you'll be getting along with those vaccines he's shooting into your arm or rump, even if he knew he wouldn't tell you.
Well, because of Dr. William Douglas, and as I say, here is a chap who puts out a newsletter called The Second Opinion, and I have not found him wrong on other things.
He is on board with dental amalgam being a deadly poison, with root canals being poison, and aspartame being a poison, a neutral sweep, etc.
And I agree with him on all of these things, even though he's way out in left field as far as much of the medical community is concerned.
All right, one of the things we've discussed on past shows, and we've got to discuss here, is this electric device that you have that you have claimed purifies the blood and can even take out the AIDS virus.
Well, this is based on the research done at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York.
And Dr. Cowie and Wyman discovered this, apparently serendipitously, and they went out and got a patent on it.
And I have the patent number around here somewhere.
Anyway, I can give you the patent number on that.
But what they do is take the blood out of the body, pass a little electric current, a very microcurrent through it, and put it back in the body again.
And a friend of mine, Dr. Bob Beck, said to a physicist, said, well, you know, why take it out to do that when you can put a couple electrodes over your arteries, pass the current through the electrodes, and do it in vivo, do it in the body.
Since then, one of my readers of 73 magazine developed a simpler device and less expensive.
And I published an article on that last May called The Bioelectrifier.
And the result of that is that I've been getting an increasing number of letters from people saying, thank you, thank you, thank you.
So-and-so was cured of cancer, lupus, Lyme disease, herpes, etc.
So I'm getting an awful lot of positive response on that.
I've talked to Bob Beck and he said that he has, and I have seen a sheet of medical reports from laboratories of people who were just about totally out of T cells and recovered completely.
And in my booklet, I have a booklet on this available, which gives both EPEC's original circuit and the Miller circuit that I published in 1973.
And they're very simple.
They're available in kit form.
They're even available from several sources in manufactured form, if you don't mind paying ten times as much as the parts.
And what you do is you have a very small electrode made with, say, a piece of number 10 wire with a little flannel wrapped around it and tied with a thread.
And it's maybe an eighth of an inch in diameter and an inch long.
And you strap this to your wrist, soak it in salt water first, and use an elastic wristband and stick it under there.
Turn up the voltage until you feel it throbbing.
And the two arteries are about three-quarters of an inch apart on your wrist as you look at the palm of your hand.
And you can feel them there.
And when you get the electrode just right, you feel it going thump, thump, thump, thump as the voltage is reversed.
And it reverses the voltage about four times a second.
There's also a pair of body evidence right now, Wayne, that suggests that there is a sort of a genetic trigger that when you get to a certain age, some little genetic switch gets thrown, and come what may, you are going to contract some form of cancer.
And, well, the other alternative is to leave it in there, and if you read the book by, was it Yamionis on root canals, you're going to have those teeth pulled out.
Meinig, Dr. George Meinig, is the book on the root canal cover-up that it's called.
And what he shows is that when they take a root canal tooth out later, they grind it up and rinse that with a little distilled water and then filter out the grindings.
And if they inject that into a rabbit, that rabbit will come down with the same illnesses that the person has.
bioelectric well i don't know what the describes all about a bioelectric Every time we do a show like this, people say, oh, geez, I tried to get the address or the number for Wayne Green, and I missed it, and I really desperately need to know about the bioelectrifier.
And I will tell you, Wayne, I've had a lot of good feedback on shows we've done with regard to results on this.
So how do they get that?
Or how do they get the list that you've got of the now 90-plus books that you're crazy if you don't read?
Our radio club went out and bought two complete sets of ARRL study books with the intention of donating a set to each of the two high schools in town.
To our shock, the librarians at one of the schools boxed up the books and sent them back with a letter, an official school letterhead, thanking us for our generosity and our good intention, but said the material was, quote, above the reading comprehension level of most of the students, and further, quote, had no discernible use in the educational future of the students.
He signs that you've got to be kidding, a ham in California.
Last week I was out skiing in Aspen and a ham friend from Glenwood Springs came down to ski with me, or two of them did actually.
And this one fellow, you were advertising commodity purchasing, and what he does is provide commodity information by computer to the people that want to have the latest commodity information.
He's made a wonderful business of it, starting out in the old TRF-80 days.
When you get interested in amateur radio, generally, well, of course, in order to give a license, you have to learn about the fundamentals of electricity.
And all of a sudden you find that, hey, this is a lot of fun.
So, at any rate, the next thing that you do is to hook your computer onto your ham rig and work and pack it.
And you don't do this without knowing what's going on technically.
One of the things that I pointed out in my editorial was a comment by a good friend of mine, Fred Uniman, who has a book out called Raptures of the Deep, which I highly recommend.
At any rate, he pointed out that this has the potential when they're blasting billions of watts of energy into the ionosphere, they don't know what's going to happen.
And it has the potential for collapsing the ionosphere, which could collapse the atmosphere and create tidal waves and so forth worldwide.
I view that as another one of these scientist welfare programs, such as the space Station and the Super Collider and so forth and the hot fusion Takamak, etc.
These are scientist welfare programs and have no real value for us foreseeably.
All right, let's not talk about hot fusion but cold fusion for a second.
I've got an article here.
It says, well, when Peter Kaglestein offered a theoretical explanation of cold fusion at this week's annual meeting of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers in San Francisco, he was apparently putting more on the line than his reputation.
According to a recent article in the Boston Globe, he now faces a tenure fight at MIT where his willingness to theorize about the controversial cold fusion phenomenon has raised apparently quite a few eyebrows, so he's going to go through what John Mack did because of cold fusion.
Okay, where we stand, and I was just checking with some of the people in the field, we have the, I would say the leading developer in this country of cold fusion is Jim Patterson down in Sarasota, Florida.
And he already has four patents, pardon me, six patents issued and has eight more that have been accepted and are expected to be issued shortly.
What he has developed is a very simple approach, and he is selling research cells to companies like Vectel, etc., that want to do research on this for a fairly reasonable price, just a few thousand dollars per research cell.
Well, his cell that he's selling, which has microspheres of plastic coated with palladium and coated with nickel, and then he uses plain water, he has demonstrated that with one watt of power input, he's able to get 1,000 watts of heat out of that on a sustained basis and be able to start and stop it at will.
In fact, the latest issue of Cold Fusion Journal, which I publish, is 92 pages, and it is packed solid with information both on the research development and on the theory behind it.
And the leading theorist in the world is Hideo Kozima in Japan, who has the TNCF theory.
And that is a neutron-catalyzed fusion.
And he goes through all of the equations, showing that all of these researchers are coming up with the information that fits into what's happening.
And basically, it's a fairly simple process.
Of course, it's what we know as alchemy, or transmutation of elements.
And if you take, for instance, lithium and add hydrogen to it, you get beryllium.
And then if you add hydrogen to that, you get boron.
But you also have a very slight loss of mass in the process.
Now, as soon as you lose mass, you multiply that according to Einstein's equation times C squared.
And C is one humongous big number.
And so that a little tiny bit of mass gives you an awful lot of energy or heat.
He explains why innovative ideas can no longer be researched, why research results can't be checked for fraud or accuracy, how fraud is vigorously covered up, etc., etc.
You see, the journals in each of these scientific fields are peer-reviewed.
He designed and built the airport for Philadelphia back in 1927, 28.
And Amelia Earhart kept her plane at my father's field and occasionally came over to our house.
And most of the, well I met an awful lot of the legends of the aviation field there.
And from there he went on to become passenger and cargo manager for Ludington Airlines.
Well now the mechanic for Amelia's plane came by to visit us in 1937 and said that he was preparing her plane.
And this is a fellow named Bob Wemple.
And I've noticed he's been mentioned in a couple of the books about Amelia Earhart.
And he was a good friend and had been over to dinner many times, so we knew him.
And he was a small chap with his sandy hair and a wax mustache, pointed mustache, and a cane and a limp and so forth.
And he'd married Miss Philadelphia in a plane over Philadelphia.
So at any rate, he was the mechanic on this, and he was telling us that what he was doing was replacing the regular engines on the Electro with more powerful engines and extra wing tanks.
And the whole purpose of the around-the-world trip was to take pictures of the Japanese Navy installations at Truck Island.
And to have a cover story, the regular plane engines and tanks would take them from Blay, New Guinea, over to Howland Island.
But with the added power and the added gas, they were able to fly from New Guinea up over Truck and then back over to Howland Island in the same time so that they would have a cover story on that.
Well, remember that she was a good friend of Franklin Roosevelt, and he had been the Secretary of the Navy, so he was well aware that the Navy was in desperate need of information on what the heck the Japanese were doing at Truck, at their major Navy installation there.
Wayne Green had a submarine rest camp on Maduro Atoll in 1944 where several of my submarine buddies that were there at the rest camp talked with the natives and they were telling about a plane that had crashed in the Marshall Islands seven years previously with a woman pilot and a man navigator.
The man got hurt in the crash when they tried to land on the beach.
And the Japanese came along a few days later, picked up the plane and the two people and took them to Saipan.
Now, I just happened to be there at that place.
If you look at the map, you'll see that the logical thing to do if you miss Howland Island is to go northwest toward the Marshall Islands because there's a lot of them and they're close together and it's the only place where you're going to definitely positively find an island.
A fellow named Fred Gorner spent several years researching this and found out the same thing with the Navy fighting him every inch of the way and reported it in his book about Emil Gerhardt.
So that's my input.
This fellow, I had no reason to disbelieve him.
Like I say, we've known him for years, the mechanic.
I think it's more bureaucracy than anything else because these countries know that we are overflying with our satellites every day and able to get very clear pictures.
The balloon would not add anything to our intelligence.
In other words, why would they refuse overflight on a mission of that sort unless they were worried about, I don't know, national secrets or something.
If you get an opportunity, I've got a fax here asking from Eugene, Oregon, to please get the patent number for the blood purifier, if you can rummage in a break or something and find it.
And then this, dear art, please ask Wayne if the bioelectrifier has been used and, in fact, did help any of the Gulf War veterans.
I would be surprised if it wouldn't help, because from what I understand, particularly from reading a book by Dr. William Douglas of Second Opinion, most of the problems that the Gulf War veterans have had stemmed from their inoculations that they got, particularly of unproven material.
One other item that I want to cover before we go back to the phones is the number one item you had on things that my listeners might be interested in would be your take on aliens, on IPs, UFOs, the whole business.
So, therefore, the likelihood is that civilizations are going to grow to the point where they can travel through space.
And just looking at what we've done in the last hundred years, it is not beyond the stretch of the imagination to figure that we're going to somehow work a way of traveling not just to other planets, but to other solar systems in our galaxy, and possibly to other galaxies.
Well, now, if such a thing is ever going to be possible to us, then it is not likely, it is inevitable, that other civilizations have done that probably a million years ago, a hundred million years ago, but certainly not right at our particular time.
That's unlikely.
And therefore, one of the first things we're going to do, when we learn how to travel like that, is to explore.
And therefore, it is not just likely, but almost inevitable, that Earth has been visited by these other civilizations in the past.
And there's a book that made my list recently by Horn, H-O-R-N.
Let's see, I have it right here.
Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins.
And this, Dr. Arthur Horn, has done a marvelous amount of research into ancient documents.
And he makes an awfully good case for aliens having been here and having, first of all, bioengineered people.
And this would explain why we do not find that missing link.
We had another quantum leap when suddenly we started having cities and towns.
And that called for another whole paradigm shift.
That's right.
So he points out that the ancient documents support that beings from space were gods and that we worship them and so forth, and that they came and went.
And I think if we look at our present day prayers, our Father who art in heaven, well, why is heaven up there in space?
Well, it's a town right across from the capital, Khartoum.
And they had a museum there having to do with the Battle of Omderman in 1898, where Sir Kitchener, Lord Kitchner, had a small group of British soldiers and they had a fight with the Mahdi, the Dervishes.
In other words, if they had, in effect, seated life here, do you think they would be observing the Star Trek prime directive of not interfering or that their interference would be invisible if it was there?
I think that the prudent thing would be to keep it invisible.
Although we see, you know, when we see UFOs, it's not by accident.
When we have contactees, such as reported by Mac, Striber, and so forth, these are not by accident.
One of the things we know pretty sure is that they must have some way of traveling through time.
And the big indication of that is that when we see the flying saucer type of craft, we also see that inscribed on the walls over in France of the caves 17,000 years ago.
Well, now, no civilization is going to make the same model of anything for 17,000 years.
All right, Wildcardline, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
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Hi, this is Will, WTDY, Madison, Wisconsin.
I'm not watching on ham radio, but Art and the gentleman might be, please will be aware that NPR, 4.20 p.m. today, had a nice news release on the big sunspot storm that happened January 6th and which caused the collapse of our atmosphere on the North Pole for a reasonable period of time.
I would like to ask a question of this nice man.
If for some reason, say, created or real emergency by internet and other means of electronic old, a non-old radio tube type communication gets shut down due to sunstorm or for some reason,
or becomes too expensive or too overloaded is end to prepare for such, then what is the reasonable lowest cost today in America to get amateur radio equipment for we the people to be able to speak to someone in Australia or Sweden on 20 meters?
And what meter is best for long or short distance radio?
When I was appointed by the governor to the Economic Development Commission of New Hampshire to see what we could do about getting New Hampshire out of the 1990, 1991 recession, I did a lot of research and I found that almost all of our serious problems that we have in this country, the deficit, welfare, drugs, and so forth, all stem from things that Congress has done.
And so I have a proposed solution to that, a simple solution.
Well, that is one of the reasons that we need to flush that toilet, because money is buying Congress, and therefore we have large corporations and large interests that are pretty much calling the tune of what's going on in this country.
If we can get the people to never re-elect anyone, no matter what the premises are, we will flush that toilet, both in the state and in the federal government.
But how do you convince somebody in West Virginia, for example, not to re-elect Senator Byrd, who consistently gets new roads and new projects and jobs and lots of goodies?
And if we complain about it, they will just shut us down.
They haven't got the money to horse around with us.
Remember, none of the reasons that amateur radio was given for its existence are valid anymore.
And we have no valid reason for having billions and billions of dollars worth of frequencies unless we come up with a new one, which is what I've been proposing.
And had a profound effect upon the war, because we won that war through technology.
When I was on a submarine, we had radar, and we were able to go on the surface right through a Japanese convoy from beginning to end, and I knew where every ship in that convoy was and what they were doing, and they didn't even know we were there.
They have, well, they precipitated the worst disaster of the history of the hobby, which was fair incentive licensing, where they came along and proposed a rule change which devastated the hobby and scared the heck out of everybody and put all of the virtually all of the manufacturers out of business and almost all of the retailers around the country.
Well, if Wayne Green, and you'd make a good czar, Wayne, if you were the ham radio czar and you could simply declare changes today, tomorrow, in ham radio, what would you declare?
Okay, what I would declare, I would have every ham club in the country make it their business to get into the schools and talk about amateur radio to the fifth and sixth graders and explain what fun they can have and how inexpensive it is to get started and what the benefits are.
You know, why should they do that?
And get them start, poison their dirty little minds with amateur radio.
And there's a lot of mystery there, and not very many facts.
So it would be just speculative.
I've read an awful lot about it, and I'm not sure what I can believe and what I can't believe.
So let's, you know, I don't think either Art or I can actually add anything really positive about that.
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Okay, and then my next question was, I'm going to have a radio operator also, and I have an HF station, and have you heard any of these strange signals that Art's been talking about?
But the thing I wanted to talk to you, Ken, about specifically, if I do remember correctly, last time you were on the show, you were talking about some device that would cure people of AIDS.
You do that through not having proper nutrients and by poisoning yourself.
And I mentioned aspartame, I mentioned root canals, I mentioned denylamalgum as poisons.
There are a number of others that we do.
The body was designed over hundreds of thousands of years, maybe millions, to work on certain fuels.
And we have changed those.
And the body is not equipped to deal with that.
One of the books on my list is by Dr. Bruno Comby called Maximize Immunity.
And this doctor found that Animals got sick when they ate cooked food.
And he said, gee, I wonder if my patients will get better if they eat raw food.
So he started feeding his patients raw food and was having cures of cancer, cures of AIDS, cures of almost every illness by switching people to totally raw food.
And so do I. A wonderful combination is to take cauliflower, broccoli, and carrots and put them in a cuisine art and chop them up into about pieces about half the size of a pea and then put on some sauce.
And I eat several bowls of that a day.
The sauce I make is one I got from my grandmother.
And it has yogurt and honey and apple cider vinegar as the primary ingredients and some celery seed in there for flavor.
And wow, is that good.
And so I eat mostly raw food, vegetables and fruits and so forth.
But of course we have one more problem.
And I think many of your listeners have probably heard the tape by Dr. Joel Wallach called Dead Doctors Don't Lie.
And a wonderful tape.
And he points out that the crops in our country are almost totally devoid of the minerals.
They played out years ago.
And you have to add roughly 90 minerals and nutrients to your diet if your body is going to get what it needs.
And we need things like vanadium in small amounts and so forth, and selenium, etc.
chromium.
And he's had a book out called Rare Earths that is well worth reading.
And he says that this is exactly what's going to happen, and he explains why.
And a lot of this, or I should say virtually all of this, comes back to the demineralization of our soil, which has harmed the growth of trees, and this is worldwide, has harmed the growth of trees and crops and made it so that the CO2 is increasing in our atmosphere.
So what he proposes is that you grind up rocks and spread it out and remineralize the soil.
And in tests, when they do that, it is just amazing what happens.
Just in, you know, adding a little bit of rock mineral to feed for spears increases their weight by 38% in an actual test and cut the amount of food they ate by 31% and so forth.
So he makes an awfully good case for it.
And that's the book is called The Survival of Civilization.
And he has three problems threatening our existence.
how do you answer that way to go as you're trying to get a newsletter together To start a magazine, it takes about a half a million dollars up front to get it started and up to enough readers so that it will support the advertising that you need.
For a newsletter, yes, you can sell ads, but again, as Art points out, you have to have the readers to attract the advertisers.
Also, you want to be in a fairly narrow niche and provide a way to reach the readers that those advertisers cannot reach in any other way.
If you're just going to put out a health newsletter, you're in there with 8,000 others.
And, you know, what are you offering that's different?
Well, you have to have some specific thing that you're an expert on and that you're enthusiastic and is fun for you And that isn't covered by somebody else.
And I just wanted to, well, for one thing, Wayne must be right off track because I've disagreed with him about half the time and agreed with him about half the time, so he must be right in the middle.
And you're just a little bit younger than I, and I've been at ham for 36 years.
One of the things I thought might be of interest is the amount of geographical knowledge and news knowledge you can get off of ham radio.
For instance, at 3.40 yesterday morning in the Kansas City area, there was two pieces of space to breathe that landed and were still on fire on the ground, and the local news media said, really, really?
So, you know, through the years you find out all kinds of things like that.
I'm listening to you guys on KCMO 810 here in Kansas City and listening to the Heard Island De-Expedition the other year.
And that can be kind of interesting and teach you some geography.
I've learned a lot of geography in the last 36 years.
Back all the way to New Hampshire, where morning is closing in quickly, and Wayne Green, Wayne Effax here.
This is Ron from Nashville, Tennessee.
Tonight on the local news, they reported that we had 50 to 100 mile per hour winds during thunderstorms earlier this morning.
They reported these winds were caused by two factors.
One, the thunderstorm clouds collapsing on themselves downward, and two, the jet stream very near the ground.
And I've had some people in the past predicting the jet stream literally coming down on deck, and there have been quite a number of reports, not just this one, but on the west coast as well, getting extraordinary winds.
And you hear the weather guy say, the jet stream literally just about came down to the ground.
Now, the jet stream is, I don't know a whole lot about a wind, but I know it's supposed to be up there, not on the ground.
Well, anyway, it is spinning around in this kind of a ball like a ball of yarn.
It goes about seven times around, then down through the center, and of course that speeds it up in a vortex, just like we have with a tornado.
And so it gives you a wide band of frequencies in this that is difficult to measure.
But that apparently is what the very fundamental particles that matter is made of.
And I've written about this in the publication, and I kind of felt that I was, oh, getting way out on a limb because this publication is read by many of the top physicists in the world.
And here I am, an editor up in New Hampshire, trying to tell them what matter is made of.
But of course, I got the idea from one of the books on my list by Phillips, having to do with occult chemistry and work that was done 100 years ago and published on how matter is made up.
Yes, it does take a very I noticed that the cartilage capsules that I have have approximately three-quarters of a gram, and the book recommends 20, 30 grams a day.
It says, number one, there has been no proof that shark cartilage does anything for cancer.
Number two, it is beginning to result in a terrible shortage of sharks.
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No, neither one of those are true.
The studies Dr. Lane originally had done in Puerto Rico because it was the only place he could find where the doctors were willing to actually do the studies.
In fact, I have the studies.
And what he did was he took the sickest people that were the closest to death.
Those were the only people that the Cuban government would allow them to work with.
They gave them 30 to 60 grams a day of shark cartilage.
And several recovered completely.
A couple did die, but the majority of them did recover and show no signs of...
Well, you'd certainly read the book, and you'd read the Dr. Comby book, too.
Otherwise, my gosh.
I wanted to cover one other thing.
You mentioned longevity.
I mentioned a few of the poisons.
I didn't mention chlorine in the water.
I didn't mention fluoride in the water.
I didn't mention the poisons that we put in through immunization shots, air pollution, and sugar and white flour.
Now, the things that I add to my diet are flaxseed oil, garlic, and I take about a tablespoon of garlic a day, chopped garlic a day, a teaspoon of cayenne every day, extra minerals, vitamins A, C, and E, and I make sure to get ultraviolet light into my eyes when I go out for my daily walk, without glasses, and so forth.
And there's a wonderful book on that by, again, Dr. William Douglas on the need for getting ultraviolet into your eyes, which we don't, in the car and with dark glasses, and through the glass in our houses and so forth.
Yeah, a C D. And when the father says that you talk to the father about the kids getting interested in it at 12, 13, he says, I don't want my sons associating with that kind of people and hangs up.
And other people say that since you got the people from 19 in there, I don't want any part of it.
We had a group of about 40 club members.
And now we've got about 10 or 15 ex-TB who's got it.
However, if I were just getting interested in communication, the first place I'd go would be C D, and then I would find that limiting and want to look for further fields, and that's when I would get into amateur radio if I was hearing about it.
Oh, just send me a call in on the 800 number or drop me a line and I'll send you the booklet.
A 12-page booklet listing all of the different things that I have.
Because I've got reprints of my editorials, and I have a book of my World War II submarine adventures, a 96-page book, and I have a couple of books of my travels on the expeditions and so forth, and things like that.
And 0-1 of a hunting safari is in the works, and I'll have that out shortly, where three of us went over to Africa and shot everything that moved and had a wonderful trip over there.
I got into that because of a ham and team that talked me into it.
Well, that's a lot of, and I appreciate it, particularly people who take some time to write and don't just say, send me a list, but say, you know, tell me a little bit about themselves.
And he explained why this is working and gave all of the equations, which are in my issue 20 of Cold Fusion Journal.
Another fellow in Japan, Yaba Uchi, has done remarkable work in photo micrographs of the cells after they've been used showing the miniature explosions that are taking place, or micro-explosions.
Because what they're doing is generating heat into the millions of degrees and causing transmutation of elements through like kind of a miniature takamak.
Boyne, how many significant inventions for mankind, and when I say significant, I mean, you know, the kind of machines you're talking about that generate more than you put in, that sort of thing, how many of those sorts of inventions have been developed and then utterly, totally suppressed?
Well, it's a motor made with very powerful magnets.
Takahashi has a patent on the magnets, and I have some of them here, and they are remarkably powerful.
And Takahashi has a very legitimate background.
He's the fellow who worked for Sony and developed the Trinitron and did much of the development work on the Sony Rockman and so forth and has made some major inventions.
He's got patents on a capacitor that about one inch square will have one farad of capacity.
All right, back now to Wayne Green, 73 Magazine, Wayne Green.
Oh yeah, and Wayne, here we go again.
There's a lot of people who want to talk to you.
So let us begin.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Wayne Green.
Hi there.
Where are you, please?
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I'm in Dana Point, California.
Okay.
Wayne, my name is Brett, and I've been fascinated by the subject of the blood purifier this evening, and I'm interested that this is applicable to pets.
Number one, about three years ago, I took an interest in NZAM radio.
And so I took my first test, the technician class test, and I tasked that.
The next week, I decided to go on, and I took the general, tasked, and the next week I took the advanced, and the next week I took the extra, and I tasked them all the flying colors.
Then I came to the Morse code.
That's why I ran into power lots.
I found that I was a little dyslexic, so I went to a doctor who...
And then you listen to it, and you hear da, did, did, did it, and you say, hmm, oh, yes, B. You look it up in your mind, just as the computer would looking up a table, right?
Well, unfortunately, you get up to the operating speed of the brain, which is about 10 words a minute, and it won't go any further.
Well, so what you do is start out at the speed you want to learn.
Let's say it's 13 words a minute.
And you listen to the code at 13 words a minute, and when you hear a dip go by, you write down an E. And you keep doing that until it becomes automatic.
And every time there's a dip, you write down an E. Then you listen, and when a dip goes by, you write down an I. And you train yourself, just as you would in playing the piano or a guitar or any other instrument, you train it so that your fingers do what you hear without thinking.
And when you learn the code this way, and you just expand it to one character after another, when you learn the code this way, you can sit there and copy the code while somebody is talking to you and you're talking to somebody else and not even listening to the code.
The ARRL, you were talking about the fact that it was composed of a lot of old-timers that just don't want to get rid of that code because of the fact that they've had to learn it.
That means what anyone that doesn't know the code is.
The first heat kit that I ever built, Wayne, was the AR3 receiver.
And at that time, I had very little electronic instruction, and nobody told me that you were supposed to cut leads.
And so I put in all the resistors and the capacitors with a whole lead length, right?
And it was horrible.
I mean, hey, when I got done with this thing, I turned it over and I put it down on the table, and it smushed everything inside, and the whole thing went up in smoke.
One of the things that I wish someone would do, and I wish I had time to do it, is find out what dosage we need of all of these nighty minerals and start making them colloquially and make a little cocktail that will give you the things that are missing from our soil.
In the meantime, I did mention the book, The Survival of Civilization, and in there they point out that you can grind up the stone and just eat a teaspoon of stone every day, and that will give you most of the minerals you need.
Before I get to my question, I'd like to mention Stanford Ovshinsky, the inventor of those pinkish-purplish little solar cells and every cheap little calculator in the world.
And he invented that when physicists told him he couldn't.
And I contacted, I wrote to him and said, look, if you want to make ovonics popular, you need a publication.
And he never answered me.
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It's too bad.
But he's got a going concern.
First of all, two questions.
The cap that you were going to design for us would shield us from the evil influences of heart.
Some kind of a cap that would sit over our brains to keep them from being addled at.
Have you come up with that?
Are you in need, Pete?
There's one more thing.
About four years ago, there was supposedly a mathematical paper submitted for peer review that proved, supposedly, that there is no such thing and cannot be any such thing as a set of random numbers.
You can't count things in nature like radioactive decay of atoms and get a random sequence.
It's impossible.
And I don't remember the man's name, the mathematician that proposed it, and it just kind of disappeared after that.
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Actually, you can call it right now.
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We're jumping around now because we're trying to cover so many things we have covered.
With regard to your electronic device and blood purifying, ask Wayne, does the yeast or the fungi in general waste, where does it go after the electrons kill it off?
But every time there's an anomaly, we say, how in the heck did that happen?
How can we replicate it?
Yeah, by the way, any number of cases, well, down in the Amazon, the natives, whenever they get hit by a snake, take a wire from their spark plug on their boat and zap themselves with it, and it counteracts the poison.
And the pilots that fly down there have a little generator that generates a high voltage in case of snake bite.
And again, that goes really back to your device in a way.
Right.
All right.
Art and Wayne.
You may know this person, Wayne.
With respect to the demise of ham radio, that old geezer that called in complaining about CBers got to me.
I'm a former 73 writer for 23 years and a longtime friend of Wayne.
In my Looking West column, I often wrote that if CBers really had any interest in ham radio, they wouldn't bother to get licenses.
They'd simply buy radios, put up antennas, take over the ham bands by sheer numbers.
CB has been around for a long time, and it's rare to find CBers invading our bands.
It does happen once in a while, but not often.
With this in mind, I kind of doubt if there are very many Channel 19 types on our VHF bands.
Why should they get a ham license to talk across town when they can talk around the world on 11 meters?
The problem I see is the superiority complexes of hams over the rest of society and the combined with our kids running off to the World Wide Web instead of 2 meters or 40 meters.
This is what the real problem is.
The World Wide Web portion of this sad situation will be covered in the newsline report I am editing as I listen to this program.
Well, I'm actually, this is the first time I've ever listened to your program, and I don't even know who you guys are, so I'm still very ignorant at this point.
And he had nail pattern baldness, and he's grown a whole new head of hair.
I asked him how he did it, and he said, well, he takes the silver colloid and sprays it on his head, and then he takes his limp blaster, which is a coil of wire in series with a photo flash unit.
That's also described in my booklet, and he blatches himself about ten times with that, a couple times a day, on the head.
I just had a question about the electric blood purifier.
Sure.
I understand you're not doctoring on making the claims, but is there a problem with the, isn't there a blood-brain barrier that might pose a problem with that as far as AIDS viruses and others?
What Beck recommends is first that you purify the blood as much as you can.
And by the way, I've had a letter from one chap that says, well, I didn't bother with all that.
I just put the three 9-volt batteries in series and used a couple of electrodes and just periodically touched my arteries with them and didn't have to build any apparatus.
Then the problem is that the HIV virus, in particular and others, harbor in the lymph glands and gradually come out over a period of years.
So what Beck proposed on that was to make a coil of wire, about 150 turns of number 14 wire, on about a 2 inch coil and just kind of jumble wound and put that in series with a photo flash gun.
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And by the way, Beck is the fellow that has the original patents on photo flash guns.
I listen to your program, and I enjoy it very much every night.
Thank you.
And I was wondering if Mr. Green could tell me if he knows anything about or where I could get information about the Downwinders and was wondering if things like allergies and asthmas is a result of that.
I'm not sure about Downwinders, but on my list of books that you're absolutely totally crazy if you don't read is one by Dr. Albert Koka called The Pulse Test.
And this is a very simple test that will tell you what you're allergic to.
It's far more sensitive than the scratch test.
And it's very simple.
All you do is measure your pulse and find out what your resting pulse is, and then either sniff or taste some food that you might be allergic to and see what happens to your pulse.
And 15 minutes and 30 minutes later, if it's up, then you're allergic to it.
One thing I'm rather surprised about, in most of the larger metropolitan areas, or many of them, cellular has for some time now been digitized, is not analog, which means people cannot easily pick it up.
You would think back in the Beltway area in Washington, which is where I think this occurred, wouldn't it be digital by now, Wayne?
And as a matter of fact, I got a letter the other day from one of the top people in security in the country thanking me for pushing him into going into his own business.
I had a question for Mr. Green about putting out a newsletter.
And speaking of dollars, I'm an expert in the field of electrical sign repair, and I was thinking about putting something out to that effect and generating some revenue.
Is it reasonable to ask for a moderate price on these newsletters, or do you have to get advertisers first?
When we see signs that time is not immutable, we reject them.
But then remember that all of the fuss that there was when somebody came along and tried to tell us that the Earth was spinning instead of the sun going around us.
Also being fascinated by time, I'm a self-taught watchmaker.
And in listening to the program tonight, I've managed to rebuild a beautiful Hamilton pocket watch.
Now, the thing that I was going to ask Art earlier is how can we influence our children to bring back the old world craftsmanship that we used to have in this country?
The tools that I have to use in my trade were all built in the 20s, the 30s, and the 40s.
And it's impossible to buy new watch-making tools.
And this is a function of our not interesting youngsters in new things like, and things like this.
In my discussions with the Sudbury Valley School, I made up a list of skills that I thought that they should encourage, not force, but say, hey kids, here are the benefits of learning these skills.
And certainly watchmaking is one.
I've had a lot of fun with that.
I used to import, well, I had a watch company, Henhart, over in Germany make watches specially for me for automobile rally use.
And I had to learn to fix those and to time them and so forth.
So I had a lot of fun with that.
And I know what you're talking about as far as the tools are concerned.
If we can get kids interested in these, we will have suppliers.
We will have new tools.
We will have new instruments.
But we have to get the kids interested.
And, you know, I just went down and made a quick list of the things that I think kids should at least have the ability to learn while they're in school.
And just in the A's, starting with archery, art, composition, Art, drawing, art, famous paintings, backjamming, baseball, bicycling, bird watching, bookkeeping, bowling, boxing, car repair, and so forth.
And I'll eventually have this list in one of my booklets.
You know, returning just for a second to the subject of aging and time, we are so constantly aware of the passage of time.
We chronicle it so carefully, literally, by the hour, by the day, by the week, month, and year, that I wonder if we were not chronicling time, whether our lifespans would be as they are now.
It may seem a silly question, but are we not kicking off our own remaining hours and minutes and in that way making them real?
So I'll be interested in finding out more real data on it.
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Okay, and one other point I want to...
I want to point you at the grade-hundred number, but one of the other things that occurred to me was rejection of organs when they do the heart or kidney transplant.
You need to read the book on my list called The Secret Life of Yourselves.
And in there they'll point out...
Well, what they point out there is they take some scrapings from the person, put it in a teapri dish, and put a meter on it, and then put a meter on the person.
And even though that person is 1,000 miles away, those two meters work in tandem.
I had a book out called We the People Hereby Declare War on Our Loudie Government, and I ran out of that, so I'm kind of redoing, updating it a little bit.
But in there, I come up with, for instance, a reason why we should increase our foreign aid substantially, maybe five or ten times what we are now, and make an enormous profit on it.
And I point out a very simple way that any government bureaucracy, any government bureau, can be cut in half in three years and have it done with complete 100% cooperation of all the people involved and happily done.