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Jan. 20, 1997 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, or as the case may be, in whatever time zone you reside in, from the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains in the west, eastward all the way across this great land to the U.S. Virgin Islands, to the Caribbean, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Cheerio, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		And we'll be here all night long, as usual, with whatever you want to talk about open minds.
		The news of the day, for your time zone, perhaps yesterday's news by now, the president's sworn in for a second term.
		There was nothing particularly remarkable or unusual about the speeches and the pump and ceremony.
		The second item in the news is Republicans wish Clinton well.
		Do you think they really do?
		Then we can go on down looking at the importance of the news beyond that.
		Cheerful crowd braves cold.
		And that was to watch this exciting event, the president beginning his next four years.
		Law enforcement officials said that a 22-year-old Los Angeles woman and an alleged accomplice were arrested for, get this now, allegedly attempting to extort $40 million from actor Bill Cosby in exchange for not telling the media that she was his illegitimate daughter.
		This is Reuters news.
		A federal prosecutor in New York said, there is no evidence the blackmail attempt is related in any way to the murder last week of Cosby's only son, Innes.
		FBI says Jackson, that'd be Autumn Jackson and Jose Medina, 51, were arrested Saturday after they signed an agreement not to tell the story to tabloid newspapers in an office of a representative of the actor.
		CBS and ABC News reported Cosby spokesman deny indeed that Jackson was Cosby's daughter.
		Jackson and Medina are to make an appearance in federal court on Tuesday.
		U.S. adventurer Steve Fawcett fell short of his goal, but achieved another during his daring long-distance balloon flight.
		He is down now.
		The 52-year-old commodities broker landed that balloon in northern India on Monday.
		He fell short of supplies after having to fly in sort of a different direction after being refused airspace privilege over several countries.
		They didn't want him over their country.
		Afraid Steve would, no doubt, lean out or take photographs or was on some sort of spy mission.
		Over the weekend, the talk shows concentrating on the new Dick Morris book called Behind the Oval Office and revealed that Trent Lott in 1995 met every week with Dick Morris.
		That Dick Morris's participation, in effect, killed Bob Dole's presidential hopes because everything got done.
		In other words, Morris insisted the president pick up basically the Republican agenda, co-opting the Republican agenda and therefore Bob Dole's run for the White House.
		I failed to see great differences between Bill Clinton, Trent Locke, Leon Panetta, Dick Morris, President Clinton, and Newt Gingrich.
		That's Clinton Weiss.
		In other words, any of them.
		None of them, to me, are discernible from each other.
		I wonder about you.
		Newt Gingrich, as you know, has been fined $300,000, but remains House Speaker.
		$300,000 is a lot of money to have to pay.
		Now, the big debate going on is whether he should pay it from his campaign funds or his own pocket.
		Anybody out there have any idea how Newt can get the $300,000 he needs now to pay his fine?
		Perhaps he could contact some of the president's Asian friends.
		Float Hillary a grub stake to be invested in commodities for a quick profit.
		In other words, what are the top 10 ways Newt Gingrich can get his quickly needed $300,000?
		There was a question asked of Tim Russard on Meet the Press over the weekend that I thought, or by him, to Trent Law, that I thought was absolutely astounding.
		I told you two years ago, two years ago now, that I thought if anything would ever come of all the scandals at the White House, it was going to be the first lady, and I've maintained that ever since, that would be in trouble.
		In fact, reports are circulating like crazy that Ken Starr may have, may have enough evidence to indict the first lady.
		And Tim Russert asked the following question, Mr. Lott, Senator Lott.
		Reports are that Ken Starr may have enough evidence to indict the first lady.
unidentified		Should he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think about that question for a minute.
		Think about that for a second.
		If the special prosecutor, Ken Starr, special counsel, has enough evidence to actually indict the first lady, they're asking, should he?
		Should he?
		If there's enough evidence to indict her, the question is, should he or should he squash the indictment, hold the indictment, seal the indictment?
		Because she is what?
		The first lady?
		Give me a break, Russert.
		Why would you even ask a question like that?
		If there is enough evidence to indict her, should she not be indicted?
		Why?
		Because she is the first lady?
		Oh, my.
		What a question, I thought.
		And I've always wondered, and I've always rather thought, that that's the way this would go.
		The first lady was going to be the one to get in trouble.
		And I've always wondered what the president would do if that should occur.
		And I think now that question is more relevant than ever.
unidentified		Isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if she's indicted, does he stand by his woman?
		Does he pardon his woman?
		Does he go down in flames with her?
		Does he let her swing slowly in the breeze twist slowly in the breeze?
		Does he come out, as they do with political operatives and cabinet members who are in trouble and, you know, on day one say, I have every confidence in my wife.
		I'm solidly behind her.
		And then on the second day, there's a little less confidence in the statement.
		You know how that goes, until finally there's a deafening silence followed by a resignation, or what would it be in this case, a divorce?
unidentified		Come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they do not allow her in the White House if she became indicted?
		I don't know what a mess that would be.
		Last week, we talked for a while about the first words an intelligent computer would probably say.
		Here's somebody who suggests, John and Portland suggest, the first words of an aware computer probably would be woman, which, when created, would make a pact with the devil and tempt us with the evil apple.
		Macintosh, that is.
		Not my words.
		High art, top 10 things that might be a computer's first words.
		10.
		Who am I and why am I here?
		Isn't there a presidential candidate that asked about that?
		Who am I and why am I here?
		9.
		Take me to your leader.
unidentified		8.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In 10 minutes, I will have the launch codes.
		I know the movie that came from.
		7.
		Since you have a beer on my case, you might be a redneck.
		6.
		Your reign on this earth is over.
unidentified		5.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know where they buried Jim Ehava.
unidentified		4.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Read my lips, no new taxes.
		3.
		Sorry, it's time for my break.
		2.
		Take your hands off my keyboard.
		I'm not that kind of computer.
		And number 1, I don't do Windows 95.
		We're also talking about the top use for AOL discs, you know, that have been used or not used.
		America Online sends anybody who has even a passing interest discs, C Vs, so they can get on.
		And this is a creative idea.
		Art, remember ID4?
		Of course.
		Well, we could rewrite the ending.
		Instead of having all those jets fly ridiculously close and fire off missiles and cannons, try this.
		By order of the President of the U.S., one weekend's worth of AOL discs would be diverted by the U.S. Post Office to Air Force bases, where they'd be loaded aboard several C-5A galaxy heavy lift transports.
		When loaded to the max gross weight, these huge jets would lumber into the air and climb to their max altitude.
		They would overfly the alien saucers and dump out the disks at the appropriate time.
		The disks would then flutter randomly and would present too complicated a target to the aliens.
		The disks would fall on the saucers and the sheer preponderance of their mass would cause the enemy craft to sink to its knees and crash.
		Another variance to quell the AOL Deformation Legal Squabble, the aliens would capture a massive quantity of these disks and attempt to analyze their contents.
		They would upload them en masse.
		They would inadvertently sign up with AOL and then just as quickly, they would all be flamed to death on the net.
		Computer jokes.
		And also last week we talked toward the end of the week a little bit about micro broadcasting, or in other words, the ability of everybody out there to have their own little broadcast station without license and the requirements and all the rest Of that.
		And I received the following from Adam.
		Art, I heard some discussion on your show concerning microbroadcasting.
		I attempted to call in but couldn't get in.
		Wanted to mention a few things.
		One, the FCC has two primary arguments against microbroadcasting.
		They are interference, pirate signals, bleed into other parts of the band.
		Well, that is a reasonable objection.
		And I think that microbroadcasting could not occur in the present broadcast bands.
		That is not what I am suggesting.
		I don't think it would work.
		Two, lack of bandwidth.
		There's only so much space on the dial.
		Well, there is an area, actually, between the top of the broadcast band and, say, 3 megahertz, where you could set up a band, a small band, albeit, for micro-broadcasting.
		Same deal in the VHF range for FM.
unidentified		Yes, it could be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The FCC rejects micro-broadcasting because it represents competition with already licensed broadcasters who don't want any more competition.
		Well, that's valid.
		But I don't know what's a reason not to do it.
		I don't worry about that.
		Things that are popular find their way to whatever medium distributes.
unidentified		Doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Computers, satellites, radio, television.
		If something is popular, it finds its way, you know, to a popular format and is heard by many people.
		And that would apply to microbroadcasting as well.
		If something became very popular, then it would be on commercial broadcasting very quickly, more popular, syndicated further beyond that, and so forth and so on.
		So it would be a breeding ground for new talent and people with new ideas.
		No, I think that I'm in favor of the concept of micro-broadcasting.
		However, not in the present AM or FM bands.
		They're pretty full.
		It would be a zoo.
		Instead, assign a new band, maybe one in AM above the present AM band, and another one somewhere in VHF.
		In other words, FM.
		And allow people without license, without regulation.
		Well, I guess there might have to be some, but basically without regulation, to broadcast a short distance, maybe, you know, a mile, two miles, three miles, five, whatever.
		I think it's a good idea, and I wonder how the rest of you feel about that.
		All right, I want to lay this out a little more.
		I'm beginning to get behind the idea of micro-broadcasting.
		And what I'm talking to you about now could end up being a multi-billion dollar industry.
		Here are my ideas.
		A new AM band.
		Small.
		It would not have to be large because there would not be that many stations that would go that far.
		Somewhere between the top of the present broadcast band and, say, about three megahertz.
		Cut out a piece somewhere there.
		And that would be the AM portion.
		In VHF, cut out a piece somewhere near the present FM band.
		I don't know, you could look just below or just above, it wouldn't matter.
		And allow the civilian population to, in effect, start their own small broadcast station.
		You'd have to work things out.
		50 watts, 100 watts, 20 watts.
		I don't know what the power level would be.
		Allow it to be commercial.
		In other words, if you could get enough listeners, you want to go out and sell commercials, fine.
unidentified		Go do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But these would be very small radio stations.
		They would not interfere with the present broadcast bans, AM or FM.
		It would spur an entire new industry for companies to produce radios that would receive these bans.
		And you could pretty much allow them to go on with only the barest of regulation.
		In other words, no regulation regarding program content whatsoever beyond the seven deadly words and to not allow legal defamation, that sort of thing.
		But beyond that, not regulate them.
		And then sell radios to the public.
		Imagine all of the industries that would profit.
		People who would make and sell the transmitters, the associated radio gear and antennas, and all the rest of it.
		The companies that would make the receivers that would receive it on AM and FM both.
		People who would learn about the art of broadcasting.
		The talent pool that would be created.
		Inevitably, stars would be found and would rise from micro-broadcasting into commercial broadcasting or into the second level of commercial broadcasting, kind of like baseball's AAA league and then on to the majors, whatever.
		In other words, it would, and then there's just one more little thing.
		It would be a tremendous community service.
		Because inevitably, these small, little tiny micro broadcasters would deal very nearly with neighborhood-level issues, that kind of thing.
		Or whatever they wanted to do.
		I don't know.
		I thought I would run the idea by you and see what you thought.
		So, a lot of people talk about micro-broadcasting in the present bands.
		My idea is to get some new bands.
		What do you think?
		Less competition?
		Less opposition?
		And boy, would it make a lot of people a lot of money.
		We will be right back.
unidentified		We will be right back.
		Thank you.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Hi, Art.
		First words of a sensitive computer from Scott in Butte Creek Farm, Oregon.
		He thinks it would say Neil Sucker.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can think of a few myself.
		Anyway, good morning, everybody.
		Anything you want to talk about is fair game, including a continued review of the Courtney Brown Whitman Striber thing from last week.
		So anything you want to talk about?
		Open lines, unscreened, unreliable at times, strange most of the time, talk radio.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Jim from the Gulf of Sierra, Nevada.
		Hi, Jim.
		About Courtney Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, prints could be real easy to doctor, computer enhanced, et cetera, et cetera.
unidentified		Negatives cannot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Now, he says that he's got the film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but the late word is that he is not going to release it.
unidentified		Yeah, well, maybe not release it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But as far as I can see...
unidentified		Yeah, well, maybe not even send it to anybody.
		But, you know, somebody that you know, that you could trust, could come over to his house and look at it.
		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you're not hearing me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not going to allow that.
unidentified		okay, well, if he's not going to allow that, then I say the buck stops at Courtney.
		You know, and the – And that's the sad situation.
		But, you know, I do have one thing to say about Courtney's book, Cosmic Voyage.
		Courtney, I want my money back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is what some people will conclude, that the buck stops there.
		And I want to...
		I'm going to talk to you about some things, okay?
		I spent...
		I spent a lot of time this past weekend in deep, reflective thought about a lot of things.
		And I reviewed this whole thing, the way I handled it, the way it came down.
		And I must tell you that though you may have questions, which I would be glad to answer about any of the details, in the chronology of events, people frequently get a lot of it wrong, and they don't know what happened, and they don't know what happened beyond scene, certainly.
		And when, who knew something, and when they knew it, and so forth and so on.
		But all of these issues aside, I reviewed what I did very, very carefully.
		And I really have nothing to be sorry for with one great exception.
		In other words, I handled it honestly.
		As I always have told you guys I would do with you.
		I handled it.
		Everything I told you, I told you honestly.
		And I was honest with you all the way through.
		Both in the beginning when the announcement was made with the photograph that I received and Whitley received.
		Contrary to what is being said by Clerk and Brown, I never, never, never promised to hold on to that forever.
		In fact, quite to the contrary, I told the audience I'd release it.
		So, you know, I reviewed in my mind all of these things.
		Within 24 hours of the release, it was shown to be a fraud.
		The evidence of that is on the website.
		It's not refutable.
		What I thought about over the weekend and agonized about was the human toll, the human toll of all of this in my position and what I'm doing here.
		In other words, if, as the last caller said, the buck stops with Courtney Brown, then fair, unfair, whatever, the blame is going to be pretty much laid there and at the feet of prudence.
		And that's going to affect a lot of people.
		In other words, Courtney Brown's tenured at Emory.
		I don't know what the consequences there might be or might not be.
		He's got the Farsight Institute that has employees, real people involved.
		And Prudence, who has a family, several children.
		Well, it is now my understanding.
unidentified		I talked to Courtney briefly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's my understanding Prudence has resigned.
		There is, as of the weekend, some sort of new webmaster for the Farsight Institute.
		And I became very reflective over the human toll that something like this takes.
		What I do here carries with it a lot of responsibility.
		And I so I reviewed very carefully to try and be damn sure that I wasn't part of the reason for this human toll.
		And my answer to myself finally, after a lot of thought, is no, no, but here I was at the very center of it, and it really, really, really caused me to be reflective about the power of radio and communications and the media and all the rest of it.
		And boy, I'll tell you, it really is a big responsibility.
		And what you have to keep centered on, I think, if you do the kind of job I do, is just being really, really honest.
		You know, what your mom told you a long time ago about not having to worry if you're not telling a lie, that really, really is true.
		If you're honest at every juncture, then you don't have to worry about the repercussions of recalling what your lie was at some later date.
		And over the long run, doing a program like this, either you do it that way or you don't have a long run.
		Let me put it that way.
		But I did.
		I spent a lot of very sober, reflective time considering all of that and this.
		So it was a rough week last week, in almost every way you can imagine.
		Very interesting week.
		A tragic week.
		A difficult week.
		Wild Cardline, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Cardbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		But I'm not on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's your perspective, sir, but the reality is...
unidentified		I turned her down.
		I turned her down.
		Ha, ha, ha.
		I don't want to be an idiot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I was worried about you, and my name's Ross.
unidentified		I'm in Bonmouth, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And your credibility was really stressed out the other night with Courtney.
		I was bummed.
		Because, you know, I was decorating my Christmas tree with Hail Mary and all the new names and suggestions.
		And all of a sudden, it's all, who knows?
		What are we going to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		Well, I mean, what's going to happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think's going to happen?
unidentified		I'm seriously bummed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, why?
unidentified		Well, what can you say?
		You know, we can't.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you called, sir, so you must have called to say something.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I think Courtney got kind of backed up, and I don't know.
		But I was worried about you, too.
		That was my most worried.
		Why?
		Because you went further than he did.
		You were the one who went nationwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		It was on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was on my show.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I didn't go further than he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Courtney is the one who did the remote viewing that said, if you recall, sir, that the object was a hollow spaceship three to four times the size of Earth.
unidentified		Yeah, that it was sending radio signals and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was Courtney Brown who said it.
unidentified		So Prudence had to resign, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		She did resign.
		I'm just giving you that news.
unidentified		Yeah, that's sad, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was talking about when I said the human toll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The same day I discovered that the photograph was a hoax, which, by the way, I never would have discovered if I hadn't released it along with Whitley, I put that on the air.
unidentified		Well, I was agonizing with you because you were worrying about everything that you had said that you would and wouldn't do, and then everything came to just a real loggerhead all of a sudden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did not do one thing that I said I wouldn't do.
unidentified		Oh, I'm with you.
unidentified		Can we talk cats for a minute?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you want to talk about with respect to cats?
unidentified		How many do you have?
		Three.
		Well, I have one and three quarters.
		They're such cool animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you have three quarters of a cat?
unidentified		Well, actually, I think he lives somewhere else.
		I live right at the edge of town here, kind of like you do, I guess.
		We can hear coyotes at night off in the distance.
		And then I think when his people go to work in the morning, he comes over here and builds his belly and sleeps in my chair and sits by the fire.
		And then later at night, he goes home.
		But right now, he's sleeping on my bed with my other cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, I guess that's actually partial custody, sir, of a full cat.
		Three-quarters of a cat sounds gruesome.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's another example of a person listening to their radio.
unidentified		Hear it in the background there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to figure out whether he's on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello again.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we going to sit there and listen to the radio or are we going to turn it off?
unidentified		I'll turn it off.
unidentified		That'll be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he didn't turn it off.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, there.
		Yeah, I've got the radio off there.
		Yeah, just calling in on the Newt Gingrich payoff or whatever.
		Payoff?
		Well, whatever.
		He has to come up with $300,000 on the $10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$300,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He needs it.
unidentified		Yeah, I was thinking, you know, if Clinton can get maybe, what, $35,000 for a night in Lincoln bedroom, maybe Gingrich could get about $1,000 for an hour nap in his bedroom or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A one-hour nap in Newt Gingrich's bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, that would take 300 people.
unidentified		Yep, that would just be a little over a day.
unidentified		You know, he could just 30 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, 300 people.
unidentified		300, I'm going to take a picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		300 people.
		That'd take a while.
		That'd take a better part of a year.
		He did it every day.
unidentified		For one hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		One hour nap.
unidentified		One hour nap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to ask yourself, would you pay $1,000 to know?
unidentified		I think you're getting a raw deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I didn't ask that.
unidentified		Well, I mean, in terms of trying to, you know, help him build a.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I understand.
		How would you pay $1,000?
		For a one-hour nap.
unidentified		Just to say I did it, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thing of it is, though, if you paid $1,000, you wouldn't want to sleep.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you'd want to sit there and absorb the ambiance of the Gingrich.
unidentified		I'll probably sign my name on the wall or something.
		This is Spartacus in Corvallis, Oregon.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Carve your initials into the phone.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Terry from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Terry, would you turn your radio on?
unidentified		Yes, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody has that same problem.
unidentified		I just want to ask you, have you ever found out the conversion from Fahrenheit to Celsius?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You did find that out, okay?
		All right.
		I found out the conversion myself, and I thought maybe you'd like to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you go ahead and tell everybody?
unidentified		Okay, from Fahrenheit to Celsius.
		Celsius is Fahrenheit minus 32 degrees.
		That number times 5 divided by 9 equals your Celsius degrees.
		And the Celsius to Fahrenheit is Celsius times 9 divided by 5 plus 32 equals Fahrenheit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, people are not going to be happy about that.
unidentified		Why is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because that's a lot of work.
unidentified		It's not that hard.
unidentified		I'm very math illiterate, so if I can do it, I think anybody can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can, but to have to do that, I suppose eventually you would sort of learn what the general ranges are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so when you hear it, you wouldn't have to do that.
unidentified		I guess that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still in all, it sounds like a pain in the neck to have to do that.
unidentified		I agree, because I don't like math myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks very much.
		First-time callers, call area 702-727-1222.
		Now, Bill, you're not allowed to use your first name on the air, or last name on the air.
unidentified		Okay, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So turn your radio off, Bill, and tell us where you're calling from.
unidentified		Bakersfield, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Welcome.
		Hi.
		I have a question.
		There was something, actually maybe it was for Dr. Malachi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not here.
unidentified		Well, you said you talked about anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, if you want to ask him a question, he's not here.
unidentified		This is relevant to some of the things that he said.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm a spy and What do you mean, a spy?
unidentified		Uh, military spy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a military spy?
		Yeah.
		Oh, cool.
unidentified		I don't know that it matters at this point.
unidentified		Or I'm under suspicion of spying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a difference.
unidentified		Okay, I am a spy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a spy.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, or I guess maybe you better qualify that.
		You say you're under suspicion.
		In other words, the government thinks you may have given or sold information of the U.S. to somebody else.
unidentified		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of spy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got you.
unidentified		Okay, because of political reasons, the enemy wants me to commit suicide.
		Really?
		They say that if I kill myself, that they will not harm my pregnant wife and kids.
		Will I go to hell for committing suicide?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on your religious belief.
unidentified		I wonder what Dr. Malachi might say.
unidentified		That's all I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, I'll tell you what.
		I don't believe it.
		I don't believe you.
		I understand why you asked the question, but I don't believe a word of it.
		Foreign power.
		If he was working for us, telling him he must commit suicide as long as he does.
unidentified		His pregnant wife will be spared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would Father Malachi Martin say about that?
		I don't know what he'd say about that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi, Bill.
		Yes.
		I have a comment kind of to make about something that you were talking about last week.
		Oh, okay.
		It had to do with Stephen Gibbs and the whole time travel thing.
		Oh, yes.
		I was just curious as to what would happen if, say, I was to buy one of these machines and spend the $400 on it, and it turns out to be complete crap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's between you and Stephen Gibbs.
unidentified		Would I be able to let everyone else know, though, so no one else wastes their money on something like this?
unidentified		Because if this is something that works, this is something that could dramatically affect a lot of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, suppose you bought the machine.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Took a trip back to 1500 and never showed up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would we automatically then, if you just disappeared, be forced to conclude that it worked?
unidentified		That's what I'm going to do.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I'm saying then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you go back somewhere and can't get back, should we then conclude that it worked?
unidentified		Well, that's the thing that what I plan on doing is, you know, I've always believed that it's impossible with the theories with Albert Einstein and the NFI field theory and all the other experiments that have happened out there.
		But my biggest curiosity is why isn't he selling it for more money?
		Why don't more people have this thing?
		And whenever I do buy this thing and try to do it, I'm going to have a video camera and some of my friends out there who come with me to see if anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if you disappear, there would be a videotape of you going poof.
unidentified		Yeah, basically, or whatever happened.
		And that's what I'm trying to get across is because me, I've talked to a lot of people about this, and a lot of people are skeptic.
		But me, I just, I'm really curious about to see if any of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you first send away for the catalog?
unidentified		I've already sent the catalog for that.
unidentified		I did that the day after this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be an obvious first step.
unidentified		My first step.
		So and I'm gonna I saw the thing on your website.
		I saw what it looked like.
		You did?
		Yeah.
		Or not on your website.
		It was on Stephen Gibbs.
		It was a related website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We had a link up, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, it was the link.
unidentified		And I saw what it looked like, and I know that this technology is possible, but my biggest fear is maybe this guy isn't necessarily, you know, he's, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the way he told the story, it sounded like it would work for some people, depending on where they were.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe not for others.
unidentified		So, I don't know.
		Like me, I'm in Southern California.
		I'm in Mission Viejo, and this is California, and he said that pretty much anybody who's in California will...
		Yeah, and I plan on making a trip to Sedona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, what I do want to know is, not where you're going, but I want to know when you're going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What year are you going to first travel to?
unidentified		First travel to?
unidentified		I would say probably two years into the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I don't know.
		See, we know what happened in the past, but we don't know what's coming, do we?
		I'd have to think about that one.
unidentified		This is CBC.
		CBC.
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		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radio in the night time.
		Anything you guys want to talk about is fair game.
		I want to remind you, internationally, you can reach us toll-free.
		We pay for the call from anywhere in the world.
unidentified		And it's simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get hold of the APMP operator out there in whatever country you're residing in and tell her you want to call the United States.
		You want to call 800-893-0903.
		That's the number.
		800-893-0903 from wherever you are.
		Well, Newt Gingrich needs $300,000.
		Can he use his campaign funds to pay that fine?
		Or should he pull it out of his own pocket?
		Should he try and find some of the president's Asian friends?
		In other words, how does he come up with $300,000?
		Anybody have any ideas for Newt?
		The president was sworn in for another four.
		The second headline on Reuters is, Republicans Wish Him Well.
		Which is, I think, the equivalent of an opposing football team wishing the other guys well.
		We wish you well.
		Now we're going to beat your brains in.
		So anyway, open lines.
		Anything you want to talk about?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		My name is Dan, and I'm from Edford, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		What I'd like to do is try to clarify the information that you gave out last night about the earthquake and the gentleman that has the well down around Ojai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's a man that was as much as 10 years ago on my show who used to make predictions based on the radon levels in his well.
		And he finally called me back, and I've got his number, and we're probably going to get him on the air.
		And yes, he has predicted an earthquake.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		All right.
		The thing that didn't he say something about Mammoth Lake area as well as San Jose?
		Do you recall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		I don't recall the exact wording.
		I hope I saved it.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, that's fine because I basically have been for about three weeks now predicting that it'd be on the 23rd, and that's the only reason.
		Was it Robert Morning Sky that he said that the 23rd day of January and the 23rd day of March would be very difficult days?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that is correct, yes.
		And today, of course, after midnight is the 21st.
		So we've just got a couple of days to wait.
		Talking a little bit about micro-broadcasting.
		Do you think the idea would work?
		And the idea is not to allow micro-broadcasting in the present AM and FM bands.
unidentified		That would be chaotic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But to create some new band above the present broadcast band, AM, and somewhere in VHF, create a small segment where as well the public could broadcast low power, neighborhood style, or just beyond.
		You know, that kind of thing.
		What do you think?
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art Bell.
unidentified		So how's the weather in Perrunk today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The weather in Perrump today was quite nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Went up to about 60 degrees with mostly sun.
unidentified		Oh, well, and what is that in Celsius?
unidentified		I'm calling from Edmonton, Alberta, and I'm listening to you on Spokane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You figure it out in Celsius.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		60 degrees Fahrenheit.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I forgot a long time ago.
		After the indoctrinated us into the Into the Celsius world and the world of metric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Well, America.
		Why don't you take your computer and just print up a little.
		Can't you get your computer to do that for you?
		Well, I don't have one, so I don't know if you can.
		I could do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I could do that.
		If.
		If I cared enough.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
unidentified		How are you going to get Canadians out at you?
		Oh, boy.
		Dangerous, dangerous.
		We're ready to go.
		We're ready to go now.
		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, we know what you Canadians are up to anyway.
unidentified		Oh, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're part of it, right?
unidentified		And JC in San Diego, I think.
		He's right.
		He's got it right, you know.
		He'll be going, you'll be jumping up and down tonight.
		Now, I have some comments about Mr. Brown.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He won a lot of money.
unidentified		Yes, Dr. Brown.
		Maybe not too much longer, but he won a lot of my respect listening to him over this whole hillbop situation.
		And I listened to him very intently, and I had a lot of respect for him until lately.
		I thought over this whole thing, this photograph thing, you kept holding on to it and holding on to it.
		And for a while, I kept saying, you know, I started to get really ticked.
		I thought, you know, Art Bell, you better release this thing.
		You were starting to get in my bad books a bit.
		I was like, you know, like, this sounded like a real game.
		And then, bang, you came out with that program the other night.
		And Courtney Brown crashed and burned badly.
		And I've lost all respect for the man to the point where if you have him on your show again, unless he's on there to either quote-unquote confess or share his source, I'll turn it off.
		I have no respect at all for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I think I've got the message.
		And the answer is that he's not going to be on again unless.
		Now, for those of you that joined the program this hour, let me just tell you, I had a private conversation with Courtney.
		I began, even though after the show on Thursday, Friday, I began to review with, in great detail, agonizing detail, my actions through this whole thing.
		Because I began to realize the human impact of what has occurred.
		These are real people.
		Professor Brown with a doctorate tenured at Emory for now.
		The Farsight Institute, people employed there.
		And Prudence Calabresi.
		She has, by the way, resigned.
		That news was given to me this morning by Professor Brown.
		Ostensibly because she is about to have a child and has been advised to do so by her doctors.
unidentified		That's what he told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But because of the human element in all of this, I began to sit down and really review what I have done.
		And I don't find fault with what I've done.
		I was honest with him, and I was honest with you.
		I told you all along, despite what the professor now says, that I would not hold on to that photograph forever.
		That I damn well would share it with the audience at some point.
		You know, if there was not a news conference, if the professor, so-called top 10 didn't come forward, I was going to release it.
		Everybody knew that.
		Whitley knew it.
		All of you knew it.
unidentified		Professor Brown knew it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never made any promise in public or private.
		Otherwise, never.
		Now, when I did release it, I released, and by the way, for those who have questions, I had an electronic image that was originally sent to me, and so did Whitley, by electronic media.
		In other words, came as, I think, a JPEG or a GIF, I forget.
		And I printed that out so I had copies of it here.
		And I still have that original image.
		As a matter of fact, that original image is the one that is now posted on the website, labeled fraud.
		The other image from the University of Hawaii has not been in any way modified other than to prop it so it's similar size or field of view and turn it 90 degrees.
		And they are labeled real and fraud up there.
		You take a look for yourself.
		It really is not disputable.
		And I really, I don't want to rehash this whole thing except to tell you that it made me very reflective on the power of mass media broadcasting, my own position in it.
		And I'll tell you what I finally concluded after agonizing and agonizing because I don't like what's happened as a result of all this.
		A lot of people got hurt.
		But as long as I'm honest with you, with myself, I guess first, and you guys second, and importantly, you guys, as long as I tell you the truth, then I don't have anything to worry about.
		And that's why this turned out okay for me.
		Because I was just honest with you all along.
		But it doesn't mean that it turned out all right.
		There's been an impact.
		There's been a tremendous, I mean, you have no idea.
		I have hundreds of email.
		Emails I have not caught up, and I'm probably not going to catch up for a week with my email.
		And the letters, you just cannot imagine.
		So the impact of all of this has been incredible.
		And so I spent a very careful weekend, such as my weekends are, in contemplative review of the whole thing.
		And I am amazed and humbled by power broadcast and mass media.
		And I'll leave it at that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Is this our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I wanted to ask you a question.
		Okay.
		We've been listening to your program, and we just get on partial because we come in in the middle of it.
		And we came in in the middle of this Courtney Brown situation and all this, and we were wondering, at one time you said there was something following Hellbot.
		Is there still something following Hellbot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, its name is Hellbot.
unidentified		B-O-P-T.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hell Bop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Secondly, the person who said that there was something followed, well, I can't go back through the whole thing, but Chuck Schrammett took a first photograph.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were others, and then finally, Professor Brown.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is there something out there?
		I don't know.
		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		I mean, there's no photos showing there's still something behind it, but maybe not a spacecraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are no recent photos showing what is called the companion.
unidentified		Okay.
		How's that?
		All right.
		That's what I needed to know.
		That was the confusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		Well, there you are.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Well, hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I wanted to say a couple of things about the Courtney-Brown deal.
		All right.
		First of all, I don't think that you can be held accountable for what anybody says on your program.
		So you have not lost your credibility with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, well, I've been honest with everybody.
		And that's what I have to do.
		And if somebody comes on and says something and it turns out later to be a hoax, I will have done my part because I did release the photograph.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in that phone call, did you hear the show?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You know that Courtney made a phone call to me then in which he said my credibility would be dead if I released the photograph.
		In my opinion, my credibility would have been dead if I had not.
		Moreover, I never promised not to.
unidentified		And I don't know where he came up with that one.
		Well, you know, I think basically the only one whose credibility has been damaged here is the so-called astronomers.
		Just in my simplistic view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These so-called astronomers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, we have no name.
unidentified		That's right.
		That's why I said so-called.
		Because I really don't know who he is or, I mean, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem is with the public, without having any more names, either to be given in public or private for investigation, without having the claimed negatives, then where does the buck stop?
unidentified		Well, that's an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not a hard one.
unidentified		No, but the other thing I wanted to mention here was that some callers have a certain guy I've got the impression, gotten the impression from some of the callers that because this thing with Courtney has sort of fallen through, that all of a sudden the comet doesn't exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not, of course that's not true.
unidentified		Well of course it's not true, but I'm getting that feeling that the whole experience that we're all going to find out about one way or another soon enough, I believe, that it no longer exists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't even mean that companion doesn't exist.
		Look, there aren't several photographs that remain unexplained.
		Right.
unidentified		However, Courtney Brown is not the only one who has been talking about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		So I feel that this Courtney Brown thing is another anomaly that is going along with this whole comic story.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thank you for the call.
		But the bottom line to the business with Courtney Brown is, even though there are other people who believe there is or was a companion, whatever, and even though there are other unexplained or controversial photographs, all of that becomes overshadowed with the size of the story generated by Brown and company.
		With regard to the photograph, it is obviously a fraud.
		And what is left in the public's mind because of the size of that story is that's it.
		That's the end of it.
		There is no companion.
		That is the bottom line to what occurred.
		Disinformation?
		Some say so.
		All right.
		Well, anyway, what I did tell Courtney to, again, relate to you the substance of a private conversation I had with him was if there's anything that would mitigate the damage, you come to me and we'll put it on the air.
		In other words, that means if you are prepared to turn the photographs over privately or publicly, name who gave you the photograph, publicly or privately.
		Tell us where it has led and who perpetrated the fraud, publicly or privately.
		At that point, we'll go back on the air.
		If that in any way mitigates the damage that is occurring because of where the buck presently has stopped.
		His response to me was that I only know one one thousandth of the whole story and that maybe it can be told before he dies.
		Courtney, that is.
		But that for now it's going to have to stop exactly where it is.
		So that was, I guess, as far as I feel I could go.
		There was really nothing else I could say to him.
		And at this time, there is nothing else I can say to him.
		I just don't know what it would be.
		In other words, I'm sorry that all of this has happened in the way it has.
		I'm sorry it turned out this photograph turned out that is to be a fraud.
		I'm sure as hell not sorry I released it.
		I had, I felt to all of you, an obligation to do that.
		I told you I would, despite those, and you recall, people urge me, don't do it, don't do it, don't release it.
		Well, I never promised not to.
		In fact, quite the opposite.
		I always said that I would, as did Whitley.
		And I'm not sorry.
		I would rather follow the truth wherever it leads than to leave all of you hanging with regard to my credibility because I said I had a copy of that photograph.
		Therefore, I released it.
		And boy, what a firestorm after I did that.
		But, you know, I reviewed that over the weekend.
		All I did.
		And I must tell you, if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't do one thing differently.
		Not one.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, once again, I have proposed the idea, it's not a new one, of micro-broadcasting with some modification.
		In other words, I don't believe that it should be in the present commercial bands.
		That would create havoc.
		This idea is simply one of allowing the general public, Harry Sixpack, whoever, to put on his own little low-power neighborhood or a little better than that, radio station.
		I propose two bands, maybe one, but two possibly.
		One AM above the present AM band, one FM somewhere in the VHF spectrum, and with very little regulation other than the current requirements with regard to language and time of day and that sort of thing.
		In other words, you don't want pornography there.
		Other than that, to allow the public to broadcast with low power.
		And here is a response.
		Art, on micropower broadcasting, as a fellow ham, I must say, are you on glue?
		No, but glue gets on me a lot.
		By the way, anybody have any ideas how you do anything about super glue?
		No matter how careful you are, have you ever noticed?
		If you're super gluing something, you inevitably have to sit there picking it off with your teeth because there's no way not to get it on you.
		Anyway, no, I'm not on glue.
		Glue is on me.
		He goes on, you are being as naive as the FCC was in 1957.
		You can't give the American public a piece of the spectrum without them abusing it.
		These microcast bands would be full of high-power pirate transmitters in no time.
		A legal half-watt station would be crushed by 50-plus waters miles away.
		The FCC would be powerless to stop it, just as they are now.
		The public could have a piece of the band 10 megahertz below light where they can do no harm.
unidentified		That's Aaron in Crescent City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Aaron, I guess I have more faith.
		You know, there are some people who would call and say, look at the CB band today and what a mess it is.
		Well, it was not intended, nor is it presently being used as a broadcast medium.
		I'm proposing a real broadcast medium.
		Commercial.
		In other words, if you could make it commercial locally, fine, do it.
		Non-commercial in all probability.
		Alternative views and weird stuff, no doubt.
		But I say all kinds of new industries would spring up.
		People selling transmitters.
		Yes, there would have to be some enforcement, so people weren't putting high-powered things on could allow that.
		That would be a breach of the faith and the whole concept of the idea.
		And I know it would go on, but it would also be kept under control.
		And it would be a riot to listen to.
		A riot, wouldn't it?
		You would have all kinds of localized news and rumor and you name it.
		It'd be kind of like a backfence operation.
		And I think it'd be cool.
		I really do.
		I know there are problems attendant with it, but I think it would be an ultimate expression of free speech, a good use of spectrum that I might add, particularly with respect to that above the broadcast band, have been largely abandoned by many services that have gone to satellite and other carriers.
		So it's more likely we could create the space.
		Not as easy in VHF, but even then it's very low power, low short-range kind of stuff.
		So I think something could be worked out.
		And I think it would not be a threat to commercial broadcasting, but in fact would enhance it.
		Companies would be selling radios to cover this new spectrum.
		I think it would be very, very exciting.
		And once you get past the initial shocked reaction of such an idea and you begin to consider it, it would be very exciting and fun.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		I just want to weave together a few threads here and maybe come up with a tapestry.
		All right.
		You had a guy on there a couple weeks ago, about a week and a half, two weeks ago.
		I think it was the guy from Oklahoma who was an ex-Marine sniper, but I may be wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Well, you had a guest on there.
		He said that he had been involved in remote viewing backaways in the 70s, and they'd come across some cases where they were all getting the exact same thing, very accurate, but it was accurately wrong.
		And he never could explain that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
unidentified		Okay, that's thread one.
		Thread two goes back to the plane crash back in this summer.
		I remember Courtney and Major Dane had two completely opposite reasons.
		Correct.
		Okay, that's another thread.
		But what would really help would be if we could get an exact timeline of when Stramik's picture came out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know exactly when it came out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, from when it came out, it was taken the evening of November 14th.
unidentified		Okay, how much after that was it that Courtney came on the show and he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was hours later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and then they had remote viewed use that as a target to remote view, yes.
unidentified		Okay, his came out that morning or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir, your threads I've got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your tapestry, I don't.
unidentified		Okay, well, okay, well, here's what I was wondering.
		Suppose somebody wanted to set him up just to discredit him, and this is just a red herring.
		Suppose he had something back there for whatever reason, Major Dane was wrong, and he was right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say this to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't call Courtney.
unidentified		Well, no, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, sir.
unidentified		He called me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if he had some idea that he was being set up, then he didn't have to call me to go on the air.
unidentified		No, no, what I'm saying is, say he got something right back there with the plane crash.
		He's on to something.
		Why don't you discredit him?
		Come up with something for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see where you're going to.
		All right, I've got it.
		In other words, that's a conspiracy theory.
		That is your tapestry.
		You believe that Courtney had it right about Flight 800, and because of that, somebody went into an active discrimination, a disinfo campaign against him, culminating in what happened with Hilba.
		Well, that's as good as anybody else's theory, but quite a reach.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art?
		Yes.
		Turn your radio off, please.
		That's good.
unidentified		I missed your broadcast.
unidentified		I watch it faithfully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
		You listen to it.
		I'm on radio, not TV.
unidentified		We don't have TV where I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that case, then you don't watch it unless you simply watch the speaker grill because we're on radio.
unidentified		We're on radio.
		I'm sorry.
		But I missed your broadcast Thursday and Friday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was repeated last night, so you missed it twice.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sorry, it was repeated Saturday night, Sunday.
unidentified		Yes, it was.
		But all I heard was this fraud.
		And I don't know what the fraud is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's demonstrated on my webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a computer?
unidentified		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you subscribe to my newsletter?
unidentified		Well, I don't have any newsletter.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I can't think of any other way to demonstrate it to you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did hours on it, and I can't retrench all of that now, so.
unidentified		Well, can you tell us what the fraud was?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The fraud was that a photograph that was taken back in September, 1st of September, was obviously fraudulently modified to show something that was not really there.
unidentified		And I saw somebody had a picture of the follow-up, which you call Hailbop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Hailbop, sir.
		Hailbop, sir, sir.
		Sir?
		Would you stop and listen?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hailbop is the comet.
		The fraud was something pixeled in, shown to be trailing behind it, which was not really there.
		That's the fraud.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay?
		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		I may be the only one that I'm glad the companion is not there.
		I beg your pardon?
		I'm probably the only one that's glad that the companion is not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that also has not been fully determined.
unidentified		Well, I understand, but I felt relieved the other night for some reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever reaction.
unidentified		Number two, I've sent off with my catalog for the time machine.
		Oh, yes.
		And I plan on going back, and if I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you going?
unidentified		In time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
unidentified		I want to bring back some baseball cards if all possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When are you going?
unidentified		As soon as I get the thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To what year?
unidentified		Are you going?
unidentified		Oh, I'd like to go back to the early 30s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to collect baseball cards and Yeah, but don't you remember he said that physical items brought back will fade?
unidentified		Well, give it a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe you could bring them back and quickly sell them, make a giant profit, and the poor people who buy them would suddenly find them faded away.
unidentified		Well, I would have to leave town again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, maybe this time permanently.
unidentified		I like it, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		That's the other thing that created so much email.
		Oh, my gosh.
		That thing on time travel.
		If I can find somebody else, anybody else, working on a time machine, I will have them on.
		It is such an interesting topic.
		It's absolutely fascinating.
		First time caller line, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		All right, Bob Bill.
unidentified		By Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Glad to hear from you.
		Anyway, I called you.
		I'm a first-time caller, of course.
		I've got for several nights this impression about the fraud deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I do believe it is a conspiracy kind of deal, but I do believe it's to take the credit away from it so that it'll be forgotten, but it's still there in real life, real actuality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, Hillbop now becoming visible again, people will begin to get pictures of the companion, and it will all be breaking news, huh?
unidentified		Not necessarily.
unidentified		It could probably, if it is some intelligent-guided craft, it could have changed orbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could have.
unidentified		And so actually what was predicted was what actually has been seen either through remote viewing or through Dark Wolf or the Japanese observatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem is, you see, that we can't follow this or we're not being allowed right now to follow this and find out how this fraud occurred.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		That is by design.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, well, design hell.
		If we could find out who perpetrated this and why, then we could find out the motivation.
		In other words, the motivation would then be apparent, and whether or not it was some attempt to cover up something that really was a disintentional disinformation campaign, we would know.
		But until we can follow it, we're not going to know.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Do you sometimes get the impression that it could have been done by someone that does remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could have been done by anybody.
		It does not take great knowledge, although it was a sophisticated job.
		A lot of people are capable of doing what was done.
unidentified		Oh, well.
unidentified		Gee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Yeah, it is predating, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		There you are.
		I've got an interesting note here from Brent.
		Brent, if what you are saying is true, you need to fax me something else with a phone number so I can confirm this before I would dare say anything about it.
unidentified		That goes out to Brent, who faxed me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the international line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jesse from Clearwater, D.C. How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You've really gotten into the debate over Courtney Brown again tonight, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's open lines.
		Now, here's my thinking, okay?
		The public is going to talk about something until they don't want to talk about it anymore.
		I've been doing this for 13 years, and I know the way these things go.
		They want to hash it out.
		And so I'm giving them that opportunity.
		They need not talk about that.
		They can talk about whatever they wanted.
		But I knew before I went on the air that a lot of people still had things to say because I can't unjam my mailbox with all the mail I'm getting.
		So let's hash it out.
		That's what they want.
unidentified		Well, you know, the one thing that comes out of this is the fact that whoever did this, my opinion is that until it's proved otherwise, I can't help but think that Courtney Brown and Remote Viewing and Hailbot were all set up to look ridiculous in one self-sloop, and they certainly accomplished that.
		Well, Hale-Bopp.
		Tony Brown, all of his...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your statements, first two, I go along with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hailbot is just a comet.
unidentified		It doesn't matter.
unidentified		Well, I named Hailbot's companions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		But it it certainly, I mean, from the from just to take a survey of the calls that you've had tonight, it certainly sounds like people are in their own mind calling into question all of his remote viewing data and the effectiveness of remote viewing itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And assuming also that the companion doesn't exist.
unidentified		That hasn't, to my mind, been proven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've made that same statement several times.
		But I know the way the public reacts.
		And when you have a fraud, that becomes the story, and everything else gets forgotten.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I think people's sense of trust in Courtney Brown and in some of the things that were said has really, they feel like their trust has been violated.
unidentified		Rightly or wrongly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is absolutely no question about it.
		Thank you.
		No question about it.
		Courtney again said to me, both publicly and privately, that, oh, thank goodness, Art, this photograph had nothing to do with my remote viewing.
		Technically true, though he used it as cooperation.
		He remote viewed the sheramic photograph or the object depicted in the shramak photograph for the remote viewing he did.
		But without question, in the public's mind, once trust is lost, rightly and wrongly, in that person, whatever else they say becomes in question as well.
		And that is part of the damage that I was talking to you about earlier, that I've contemplated very personally throughout the weekend, in a very sober mood all weekend.
		And I'm sorry about all of that.
		And yet, I cannot imagine handling the whole situation in any way differently than I have to date.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi there, yes.
unidentified		This is Don from Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Well, I have a couple of comments about, actually, one, I am watching you on TV.
		I've watched you over sat on watching getting your broadcast over to satellite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, but that doesn't mean you're watching me.
unidentified		Well, kind of sorta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not kind of sorta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're getting my audio and watching whatever it happens to be up on the screen there.
unidentified		Unfortunately, it's like Abbott and Costello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's appropriate.
unidentified		Maybe so.
		I do have a one.
		I am also a ham, and I do have a couple comments about microbroadcasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		One of them is that there are, like, part 15, and you can broadcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, we all know that, but that's down in the milliwatt range, and that's broadcasting mostly from the living room to the bedroom.
		I'm talking about something that would be neighborhood, at least neighborhood-sized, if not my corner of the city-sized, or something like that.
		You know, I don't know what the power level would be, a watt, 10 watts, 20 watts, something like that.
unidentified		But there is one, I have seen a court case that actually did win through the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I know about that.
unidentified		Yeah, Free Radio Berkeley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that one's not over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's probably going to go to the U.S. Supreme Court, I'd bet.
unidentified		Well, that depends how far the FCC wants to go with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they don't go any further with it, then the Ninth Circuit Court judgment would stand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they have to, don't they?
unidentified		Yeah, I would think.
unidentified		But as far as giving them another ban, well, that means that the whole purpose of broadcasting is to broadcast out to the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And you'd have to have people buy whole new radios.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Consider the wonderful boon to the industry of people who would go out and buy an additional radio to receive this new public wild broadcast band.
unidentified		Well, that's what the internet's for, really.
		I mean, you could do the same thing.
		You can broadcast over the internet worldwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but consider the difference between the cost of a little receiver compared to the cost of a computer capable of receiving real audio on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on now.
unidentified		Well, but let's say that you let's say not even a computer, but like those Web TV things, they can do audio over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Web TV is improving things, but that's still $300 and something dollars at least.
unidentified		But then again, so it having to buy a whole new transmitter and a research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it'd create entire new industries, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plus, it would be a lot of fun.
unidentified		Why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is CBC.
unidentified		This is CBC.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is, and I'm Mark Bell, intentionally leaving it open lines tonight, maybe even tomorrow night.
unidentified		We'll see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you have further questions about the whole Courtney Brown affair, and that's what people seem to be focusing on, feel free to ask them so that we can try and get all this information out, and everybody's satisfied, at least to the degree that we can, with what occurred.
unidentified		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear Art, I have a question which I wish you could answer on the air.
		Since you pressured Courtney for the identity of the astronomer, can you release the name of the university that the astronomer supposedly was part of?
		We, the faithful audience, would love to hear more info about the possible identity of the astronomer.
		Ms. Bell, I think it is your responsibility now to release the name of that university.
		Thanks.
		Albert from MIT in Massachusetts.
		All right, Albert, here's the story there.
		On November 14th, the night of the broadcast, I was never told by Courtney Brown the name of the university, number one.
		On the night of the broadcast, prior to the broadcast, there was an internet message posted by a prominent ufologist that rumored the name of the university.
		And so I immediately called Courtney.
		This was prior to the broadcast on the 14th.
		I said, oh my God, there's a message on here naming a university.
		Courtney Brown checked into it and found out the leak, he said, he told me, came from his own organization, Farsight.
		And so I'm not sure that that really is the name of the university.
		And because I can't be sure, because I have no proof at all, I'm not going to release it.
		Obviously, the university would be swamped, and it could be inaccurate information, or it could be disinformation.
		So, you see, I don't know that I do know it.
		I only have a rumor.
		That's point one.
		Point two, Whitley Strieber thought he might have the name of the astronomer.
		And when he spoke with Whitley, excuse me, with Professor Brown, Professor Brown did not deny that was the name, nor did he affirm that was the name.
		And I certainly don't know the name of the astronomer.
		So with respect to the university, I don't know that it's the right one.
		With respect to the astronomer's name, I never did and still don't know it.
		So there you have it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah.
		Hello there.
		Yeah, I'm calling from Indiana.
		Yes?
		I recently moved back here and kind of things have changed kind of drastically here.
		And I don't know whether or not it's something that's like public or not.
		But the police force here has like pretty much tripled in the last two to three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's a newspaper, the journal gazette here that ran an ad or a report, something like that, a couple years back about some new equipment that we got.
unidentified		I got a tank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got a tank?
unidentified		A tank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A tank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would they need a tank?
unidentified		That's what I'm wondering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're in Indiana.
unidentified		It's not like a normal military style tank.
		More like an all-terrain type vehicle to hold a lot of people.
		But it does have the very large gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they're anticipating an assault on Indiana.
		Well, or your little town.
		Who knows?
unidentified		No, this is Fort Wayne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fort Wayne, Indiana.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a military community.
		I see.
		It was founded by the military.
		They got basically government factories here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think they will do with this trend?
unidentified		Well, I really don't know.
		The people that I know in National Guard keep saying something about troop mobilization, and that more information is being pumped out about that.
		I don't understand exactly what they're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't either.
		When, and if you do, be sure and give us a call.
		I couldn't quite discern there whether he meant the police obtained.
		I thought he meant the police got the tank.
		I'm a faithful viewer of Hill Street Blues, and I remember one episode where they got a tank, too.
		Captain Frillo was not wild about it.
		That's a funny episode.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dana in Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dana.
unidentified		Hey, Thursday, when you talked to Dr. Hinot from the University of Hawaii, I'm assuming you had spoken to him earlier in the day when you were talking about this photo to us.
		You didn't say anything on the air about it.
		I was wondering if you had asked him if when they image Hailbop, now that it's back in view again, if they were going to maybe you had to ask him that they would send you a picture by themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, they won't have to.
		It'll all be posted.
		Hailbop is now coming farther and farther above the horizon every day.
		There will soon, within a week, I would say, be new major photographs taken by major university telescopes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I just didn't know if you had asked me to send one to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I can get one on the internet and post it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No problem.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that was just amazing.
		Also, I know I had to send it by snail mail since I don't have a computer, but I sent you a picture of one of my cats a couple of weeks ago.
		I don't know how far behind you are in your snail mail stuff, but I thought you might have gotten it.
		She was using the bathroom on the toilet.
		She'd gotten that cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that cats have been trained to do that.
unidentified		She wasn't trained.
		That was, and I had said, I sent a letter with it.
		She did this on her own.
		I never trained.
		I wish I could train the rest of them.
		I've got 12.
		I'd save a fortune in cat listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This must have been observation then.
unidentified		But yeah, but I had to send you the picture to say, you know, mainly to give you a giggle.
unidentified		I didn't know what she'd done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't have it yet, but I will giggle, and I may post it when I get it.
unidentified		I'm not worried about posting it.
		I sent it mainly just to give you a laugh because it was just the fact she learned it on her own at the age of four months.
		She still does it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look for it.
unidentified		Yes, it should be.
unidentified		It's been a couple of weeks since I mailed it, so it's in the pile somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And pile it is, boy, I tell you, we're doing our best.
		That's a big problem for me.
		The amount of mail and email and faxes and so forth, you know, it's getting a little out of hand.
		Dear Art, you're not honest, in quotes.
		You are holier than them, in quotes.
		You accept parts and letters all the time from unknown sources of very dubious value and then post them on your website willy-nilly.
		If the government called and demanded you name your sources, would you give it to them, regardless of the authenticity?
		I think not.
		Well, listen, that's true, I do.
		But when specific scientific claims are made regarding the authenticity of something, and then it is proven not to be authentic, then there is no choice to do but what we did.
		There is simply no choice.
		And if you're concerned about credibility, mine or anybody else's, be concerned about how credible it would be if we didn't tell you the truth.
		All right?
		And if something put up on my website, no matter how whimsical, and we do put a lot of whimsical stuff up there, is proven to be incorrect, we say so.
		Or let you judge it for yourself.
		Or we say in the first place, this is not an authenticated anything.
		It's simply really interesting.
		Take a look and see what you think.
		Regarding the photograph put up there, there were very, very specific claims made about it.
		A very different situation.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Going on.
		Oh, too late.
		Wild guard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
unidentified		This is David from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I've called before talking about an anti-gravity device I was working on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Still not done yet, but I did call up mainly to talk about the Courtney Brown thing.
		Okay.
		My question is, if Courtney Brown has predictable, reliable remote viewing, why doesn't he take the bogus photograph and use it to remote view the person who basically made the photograph?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good idea.
unidentified		I mean, it seems like the logical solution to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good idea.
		You know, I'll leave it at that.
		I mean, that would certainly prove the authenticity of remote viewing.
		If he remote viewed it and he saw some technician perpetrating the fraud and identified who it was and made that public and then that was proven, that would certainly authenticate remote viewing, no doubt about it.
unidentified		It seems like a logical way to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good suggestion.
unidentified		That's about all I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		As good an idea as any.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Eric.
		Hello.
		How you doing?
		This is Dave from Greene.
		Hi, Dave.
		I had a couple things to say about the Courtney Brown and your debate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, get a little closer to your phone.
unidentified		Okay, is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I wanted to commend you for keeping to your what you said that you would display what what would happen over the years or you know the picture and such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		But I also commend Courtney Brown because he said from the beginning that he wasn't going to release that name of the person, which people are questioning his trust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what he did say was that he thought within a week or so that that person would come out and hold a news conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said.
unidentified		Right.
		But people are calling him questioning his trust, which is he displayed that he wasn't going to name that person.
		If I was that astronomer, I would commend him for not saying my name.
		And I think that shows his trust is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but, okay, but one problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He says that he has photographic evidence.
unidentified		Right, and I agree with you.
		I think that should be.
		I don't think he should release astronomers' names because.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but he doesn't have to.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I really do think also he should forfeit that material to an expert to have it analyzed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is now saying he will not do that.
unidentified		I also had a comment about the inauguration party for Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		$42 million for a party.
		We have homeless people.
		He should be ashamed of himself.
		I think, President Clinton, you should have him on your station.
		I've tried to get him on.
		Who?
		President Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		President Clinton?
		No, you know, I never have tried.
		I suppose I could.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you would ask him?
unidentified		I would tell him he should be ashamed of himself.
		We have many problems in the inauguration party, $42 million, $12 million of taxpayers' money.
		It's ridiculous.
		Throw it into the quickness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		I wonder how we, what do you suppose the president would say to that?
		Well, we tried to keep the cost down.
		Now, it is valid that we have an inauguration and that the public portion of that, not all the parties, but the public portion of that, be, I suppose, from the public coffers.
		But you would try to keep the cost down as best you could.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, hi.
		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
		That's better.
		Where are you?
unidentified		We love you.
unidentified		We're in Hollywood, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hollywood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If she could.
unidentified		Well, I called to tell you that on the morning of the 9th of January, about 5.45 in the morning, I looked out of my window and there was Hailbob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Big as day.
		I was so shocked.
		I couldn't believe my eyes.
		I thought it was a satellite arc, and I couldn't wait until the observatory opened.
		I called to ask what satellite, you know?
		And they said, hey, it's Hailbob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And I said, my God, it's huge.
unidentified		How is it going to miss us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by about 123 million miles.
unidentified		Oh, but it's shockingly huge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know why then I can't see it.
unidentified		You can't see it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
unidentified		You know, I've been looking at the morning.
unidentified		Well, to the east.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I've got to look to the east.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've got mountains to the east.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So until it gets a certain percentage above that mountain range or high enough in the sky, I don't think I'll see it.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, this is the only morning I've seen it, and it was a totally clear, just crystally clear morning.
		And every morning since, I haven't been able to see it.
		I called you that night to tell you that you were out sick.
		Oh.
		I'm sorry.
		Are you better?
		Oh, yes.
		And your wife?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Oh, that's great.
unidentified		Well, love your show, and we're still listening over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, dear.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		Hollywood.
		I didn't think it was that clear yet, nor that close to be that shockingly abright, but do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
		Well, no, Gene, you're not allowed to use your last name on the air, dear.
		I had to bleep that out.
		So let's begin again.
		You're Gene in Houston.
unidentified		Yes, and I listened to KPRK-TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think, Ben.
unidentified		I listened to Keep Tune right here radio, and they gave a stargazing report this week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they said that you can now see the comet with the binoculars at first light in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And they said that following it was a new uncharted star.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did.
unidentified		And they called it Hellbox Companion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did.
unidentified		Sometimes known as Hellbox Companion.
unidentified		And I thought maybe this would be of interest to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, who observed it?
unidentified		This report was given by the lady that gives the stargazing report on KTRH radio from the Houston Natural Science Museum here in Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a new one on me, but that's very interesting, and maybe somebody else will confirm what you said.
unidentified		Well, they said new uncharted star, and it's a real brilliant color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Stars now generally don't follow comets.
		They don't have trajectories like comets.
		But that is an interesting report.
		Star-like, maybe.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Love your show.
		You could get me up way too much, too late at night.
		But I do enjoy the program.
		Thank you.
		I have listened to you talking about remote viewing for the last few weeks, but I must have missed something, and I have a question for you.
		To the best of your knowledge, is remote viewing, does it happen in detail and in real time so that if I was able to do this, say, at 4.30 on the West Coast to remote view a friend of mine on the East Coast, having breakfast at 7.30 their time, I could see exactly what they were having for breakfast and hear the discussions going on?
		Is it that detailed?
		Um yes, I believe so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is claimed to be that detailed, yes.
unidentified		And anybody's supposed to be able to learn how to do this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they say.
unidentified		Okay, well, that was my question.
		I was just interested to see how detailed this remote being was.
		It almost sounds like actual projection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, where did you say you are?
unidentified		Oh, my name is John.
unidentified		I'm in Chico, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chico, California.
		Well, we're in the same time zone.
		Nevertheless, later on this morning, why don't you give it a shot and see if you can see what I have for breakfast?
unidentified		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		Anybody else who wants to do that is welcome to give it a try, too.
		I give out no details regarding my breakfasts.
		Anybody who can nail it is probably a pretty good remote viewer.
		I have particularly unusual eating habits, you see, since my sleeping habits are very unusual.
		So this would be a tough assignment.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CBC Radio Network.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, back to it we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		What's been up to, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been doing the radio program, sir.
		How about you?
		Well, I've been listening To you for a million years, it seems like, and this is absolutely fantastic, fantastic to get hold of you.
		This is Stan in Eagle Point, Oregon.
		Yes, sir.
		What really interests me is your conversations that you've been having about time and your fascination with time.
		I've been a jeweler and a watchmaker for 25 years.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it just amazes me that in this country we built the most beautiful pocket watches that were ever built, and that industry is gone.
		And so it's really fun to listen to you talk about your fascination with time.
		I don't know why.
		Since I've been able to consider it and think about it, I've always been fascinated by it.
unidentified		Have you seen some of the new products they have on the market that are controlled by the WWV in Boulder, Colorado?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got one in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called the Time Machine.
unidentified		Now, is that the one built by Jungins?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is built by Oregon Scientific.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a couple here, I think, that put that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't have one of those yet, but that is just really fascinating, that stuff.
		Well, there you are.
		You asked.
		You received.
		I have one right in front of me, and I love it.
unidentified		Now, I understand you've got about 50 clocks down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have clocks coming out of my ears.
unidentified		It's fun, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just amazing to sit there and look at these things and how they can keep track of time.
		And it's a mechanical invention that man came up with.
		Well, I have actually, now that you've raised it, thank you, a question for the entire audience.
		Of my mighty collection old clocks, I have a number of them that are operated by, you know, like A batteries or, you know, they're operated by batteries.
		And every now and then I have a failure in the sense that it will lose up to half an hour.
		All of a sudden, it will stop working.
		Now, the only reason that I'm mentioning this to you is because all the clocks that are operated by batteries are affected in exactly the same way in my home.
		It is a real oddity.
		It is as though, I mean, how can that be?
		These are independent power sources.
		Unless it's some sort of radiation, that's what I thought about.
		You know, I'm a ham operator, and maybe some sort of radiation is affecting the electronic mechanism.
		That's possible.
		But it's happened on days when I have not been transmitting on shortwave or anything else.
		And so I wonder if anybody out there has had a similar difficulty.
		Battery-operated clocks suddenly failing for similar periods of time at exactly the same time.
		Just a question.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Jeff in Tri-City, Oregon.
		Yes, sir.
		Hey, I'm a truck driver.
		I was out heading east in, I think, just east of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
		And it was just at sun up.
		Right.
		And you could see, I figured it was Hailbop right away.
		You could see it was a streak.
		It was a little elongated and it had a brighter point at the left side.
		And that was a ways away from the sun.
		The sun hadn't quite come up over the hill yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that could be hellbop.
unidentified		Well, just to the right of that, there was another bright spot, and I'm not sure if that was a planet.
		I'm like you.
		I just got a telescope, and I haven't got a chance to use it yet, and it's raining right now.
		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my problem.
unidentified		It's been pretty bad weather down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you think washing your car brings on rainstorms, buying a telescope brings on something that NOAA would begin building for.
unidentified		Yeah, especially up here.
		We seem to be having our fair share of it.
		That slide that came down here in Oregon during that last rainstorm on the first of the year missed my house by two blocks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		So, that my neighbors have been digging out for a while.
		I've had a track hoe up here and digging big ditches.
		It's nasty, and it's raining pretty good now.
		The river just came right up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's been, thank you very much, a very rough year, weather-wise.
		It is going to be worse.
		This is not a long-term prediction, nor is it something gleaned through some great remote viewing or psychic ability, because I have none of the above.
		I just think that the weather is going to continue to worsen.
		That is to say, to become more severe.
		The hurricane seasons, worse.
		More tornadoes in North America were particularly prone.
		More incredible amounts of rain or snow.
		Colder than it ought to be, hotter than it ought to be.
		Extremes.
		That's what I see coming.
		Welcome online, you're on the air.
unidentified		KQMS, Reddy, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, well, hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, you know on the NBC News how they have that segment called Fixing America?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		16 America?
unidentified		Fixing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Fixing America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		Yeah, you know what?
		Every time I see that, it really gets on my nerves because they're making the assumption that something is wrong with us.
		There is nothing wrong with us.
		Aren't you like on the air making money right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Aren't there families out there raising children, getting up every day with the sun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Doing their job?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Isn't our government still running?
		It's still running.
		And they just assume that something's wrong with us, that we need to be fixed.
		And I think they give America a poor self-image.
		Well.
		I want them to call it balancing America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you send that off to them?
unidentified		That's what I call you for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they're listening.
unidentified		You know they're listening.
		Chicken.
		What?
		Chicken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chicken what?
unidentified		Chicken breakfast.
		No.
		No.
		You already know what she's making.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I have no idea.
		That's why it's such a good test.
unidentified		Well, is she awake?
		You're not changing her mind.
		Is it because I'm not making a chance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at the moment, no.
unidentified		Okay.
		No.
		Are you going to make chicken?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if I have chicken in the morning, I will be really surprised.
unidentified		Really?
		Okay.
		Okay.
		It was just like my best second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's your shot.
unidentified		Well, I know you love barbecue chicken.
		Okay.
		So, that's why I said it.
		Thanks for making.
		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
		One more thing.
		What?
		I'm not going to send you any more mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
unidentified		Well, because you have such a problem with mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are right.
unidentified		But you know why I don't send mail and I don't send anything else?
		Why?
		Because nobody can fake my mail.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, they could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They could write a letter and sign it to now, and how would I know?
unidentified		Well, I put my return address on it, and I also put something in the envelope every time I send it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, though, thank you.
		Anybody can fake anything, really, these days.
		I mean, computer technology has allowed, I'm afraid, just about anything to be minor.
		I mean, my gosh, even copy machines these days can turn out, unfortunately, credible copies of U.S. currency.
		It's a real problem.
		Wild guard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Wyatt from Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I just wanted to tell you, first of all, on the glue thing.
unidentified		Afetone actually takes super glue off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know it does, but it's still a pain in the butt.
unidentified		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And why is it that you can't superglue something without...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I still end up with it on myself.
unidentified		I know.
		You would think after all the years of inventing something like super glue, they would have a way of making it easy to use.
		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't matter.
unidentified		I get it on me no matter what.
		Well, there's a thing for all the inventors out there right now.
		I mean, let's come up with a tube that can actually make this stuff come out right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the original stuff was really bad because it was just like, you know, water, liquid, and it flowed that easily, and of course, it hardened immediately.
		So you're doomed.
		All right, sir, thank you very much for the call.
		I've tried, and I love super glue.
		I mean, I use it for a variety of things.
		Super glue is wonderful.
		Except it is not possible to use it without booing yourself.
		Then you're sitting there going, all right, pulling it off.
		Acetone, sure, but I mean, then, you know, it's pretty rough on your skin.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		How are you today?
		All right.
		Or this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reasonably well, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I was calling.
unidentified		I sent a fax a little bit earlier this morning to you concerning some craters that I found in the woods about four months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Craters?
unidentified		Yes.
		Very strange.
		My wife and I actually found it.
		We thought there were sinkholes at first.
		And we got to looking around the area a little bit.
		And the trees were burnt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're thinking meteorites?
unidentified		That's what we thought at first.
unidentified		We had a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying you found something at the bottom of the craters.
unidentified		We did find some heavy rock-like objects.
		They were kind of a iron composite.
		We sent them to a university and had them tested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they didn't find any nickel in them.
		So all the people that we talked to said, well, they're not meteorites.
		Well, I got a hold of a professor in the Northeast, and he came down and looked at the site.
		And he said that they weren't sinkholes.
		And he didn't really think that they were meteorite craters because of, I don't know, the way they were dispersed and other things.
		But the trees were actually laid over, arched over the holes, and just some of them were just burnt to a crisp.
		Some of them were blown out of the ground and burned up on the inside, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think?
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure.
		It's in an old Indian site, like a prehistoric area.
		And after we found that area, I found out that this was found in Missouri in some pretty deep woods.
		And after this occurred, a number of very strange things started to happen.
		I started hearing about excavation sites in the northern part of Missouri around Cahoka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you want to do about all this?
unidentified		Well, I would like to know, you know, if there's anybody else that has found anything like this.
		I know that there've been a I started listening to your show a couple of months ago and thought I would see if there was anybody else that had found any types of strange impact craters or any kind of tree.
		We even found trees that were twisted in half and burn marks up in the tops of the trees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well we will now ask.
unidentified		You have asked, so we'll find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they were pods.
		And maybe one of those pods has already disgorged its ugly soft center, and you, sir, are carrying it.
		Maybe you're normally a very gregarious kind of guy.
		But we're hearing the new pod, you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going.
unidentified		Hey, what have you guys been talking about tonight?
		I had your station cut off.
		You did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get them to cut off?
unidentified		No, I had somebody else cut it off on me, and they won't let me listen.
		Why won't they?
		They say I'm too addicted to your show.
		Really?
		Yeah, I think it's a joke.
		Who did that?
		Oh, my sister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your sister?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would let your sister cut off your radio and wouldn't let you listen?
unidentified		Actually, it's her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's her right well.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, there you go.
unidentified		But so what are you guys talking about tonight?
unidentified		Still talking about Courtney Brown?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you wish.
unidentified		Well, I wouldn't mind talking about that Trojan swarm of asteroids you brought up last week or so ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ones the scientists have detected, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what about them?
unidentified		Do you have any more information on them?
unidentified		And are they still headed towards the sun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As far as I know, yes.
unidentified		Because I think that might just take over the media hype, well, that the remote viewers were attempting to expose.
unidentified		Just the asteroids in general that are out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's going to be, thank you for the call, a Gee, now you can't hear me, can you?
		There's going to be a program called Asteroid on NBC in February.
		Have you seen the trailers, the promos for it?
		The sky is falling.
		Asteroid in February.
		And they're beginning to show some of the scenes from it.
unidentified		Pretty cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Going once.
		Going twice?
		Going east of the Rockies?
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I have a statement about Courtney Brown.
		Personally, I'm Terry in San Antonio, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I personally think that Courtney is a fraud and the remote viewing is a yink of a chain, to tell you the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you think remote viewing is a fraud.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
unidentified		Well, he said his people remotely viewed this thing out by the comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not specifically defending Courtney Brown's remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying that I think remote viewing itself, that there is something valid, something to it.
unidentified		Okay.
		Have you ever attempted it yourself?
		Never.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It requires going through quite a course, and there's a specific discipline.
		It's not just like sitting down and going through this little, whatever it is they do.
		You know, it's this discipline.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, you know, that's a personal thing, and that was my belief.
		I just wanted to say I listen to your program a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I appreciate it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Ken going to Grand Cash in Alberta, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
unidentified		Hi.
		A couple months, I guess it was six, seven months ago, just before you went on your trip, your boat cruise, in Parkland County, Florida, there was an attack on a car.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a Lexus.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Did you hear anything else about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the attack occurred.
		They had a photograph in the newspaper of the scratch marks on the Lexus.
		So it really did occur, but no follow-up.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		That's what I wanted to know.
		Okay, thanks a lot.
		Thank you.
		All right, you're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Craig in Hickory, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Craig.
unidentified		I think that Courtney Brown has an obligation to come forth with the name of the astronomer, because if he does not, I think a lot of people are going to agree with me there never was an astronomer to begin with that supposedly took these pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is going to be one major conclusion of a lot of people.
unidentified		And I believe there is something to remote viewing, probably, that the techniques practiced by Courtney Brown, according to Major Dames, are not the proper ones, and probably he would be a better person to talk to about the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the 30th of this month, we're going to be doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major Dames is my guest already scheduled for the 30th.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		I'll look forward to that program, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure many will.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		Oh, I'm sure there are going to be a lot of people.
		That is going to be very, very interesting.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Andrew here from San Francisco.
		I beg you to tell me, what is the music you play every day at the beginning of the show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called Midnight Express.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is from a movie of the same name.
unidentified		Okay, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		That was easy.
		Easy, easy.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		No, you're not.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		Hi, this is Marie in St. Paul.
		Yes.
		I'm wondering if anybody has called in with information about the earthquake that occurred in China this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What magnitude?
unidentified		I believe it was 6.6.
unidentified		I heard it on the Australian Shortwave Service.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have that yet, but I'm sure I will get it.
		6.6.
		Do you know in what part of China?
unidentified		It was in the West Central region.
unidentified		I don't remember the name of the province.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West Central.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would probably be a fairly unpopulated area?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		Not familiar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll look into it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The way they build in China, with bamboo and so forth, pretty flimsy structures, a high-magnitude quake has big consequences.
		and that might be big enough to have consequences.
		So, we'll check into it.
		From the high desert, this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		Call our bell, toll-free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that, or internationally, you get hold of the AT ⁇ T operator, there we go, and have her call 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903.
		If it comes through AT ⁇ T, it is toll free.
		And on that line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I'm calling from Okinawa in Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okinawa in Japan.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the show.
		I spent a lot of time, a lot of time on Okinawa, and I guess it has changed a lot.
		Where are you on the island?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm on Kadena Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's where I was.
unidentified		Were you in the airport?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was.
		I was.
		I was a medic there, and I remember Kadena and Gate 2 very well.
unidentified		Yeah, they kind of tamed it down, but it's still kind of a vegetation outside Gate 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll have to tell all the audience about that someday.
unidentified		But yeah, your 800 number really does work.
		I wasn't sure.
		I was sitting here listening on my computer through the internet and thought I'd give you a call, see if it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, while I've got you, I heard there was a pretty substantial earthquake about 150 or 200 miles from Okinawa the other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys feel that?
unidentified		No, uh-uh.
unidentified		I haven't felt an earthquake for, I don't know, several months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in the military there?
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of job do you do in the military?
unidentified		I'm a supply person.
unidentified		Sit behind a desk and go outside of it every now and then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been there?
unidentified		Yeah, I've been here since 1990.
		And before I came here, I was in mainland Japan, in Missalo for six years.
		I've been over here for a long, long time in Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about coming back?
		I spent ten years over there.
		And it got to the point for me where if I had not come back to the States, I never would come back.
		I knew I never would come back.
		It really was that close.
		I was beginning to go native.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, it's really easy to go over here.
		It's really a different lifestyle.
		It's kind of maybe a lifestyle you think about 20, 30 years ago in the States.
		That's right.
		I joined the military to get away from the Reagan years.
		I kind of self-exiled, and I've just been overseas since 1985.
		And I don't really want to come back right now, but it's about time, I suppose.
		I've got two kids.
		I'm a single parent, and all I see is on the news about the crime and the drugs and everything.
		Kind of concerned about that there.
		Here it's real safe.
		Kids can go out pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there have been a lot of changes, and you're in the situation I'm in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you don't come back pretty soon, you probably won't come back at all.
unidentified		Right, and looks like I'm trying to get married to one of the local girls here in June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, congratulations.
		I wish you well.
		And when you leave Okinawa, you will miss it like crazy for a while.
		Believe me.
unidentified		I think I will.
		My fiancé, she wants to go to Europe, so we'll see what Europe is all about.
		I'd like to make a comment.
		I'm very glad that a show like yours is around.
		I'm getting so picked up of Russian inbox crowds on the talk radio.
		It just makes me sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're just doing something a little different, that's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you've got us on the internet over there.
unidentified		Yeah, right now it's 7 o'clock in the evening on Tuesday.
		So when I come get off work, I usually, past couple weeks, I've been trying to tune in to you because you seem to come in pretty good on the internet.
		Some of the other stations don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we're happy to hear it, and we thank the AudioNet people in Dallas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		You bet.
		And hey, don't forget the United States is still the best country in the world, even though I may not like policies and some of the living conditions there.
		As far as freedom, it is a very free place, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You better believe it.
		Thank you very much.
		You better believe it.
		You do a little traveling and you find that out.
		The years I spent in the Orient were very strange years indeed, first in the Air Force, then as a civilian.
		And you really do reach a kind of a breaking point.
		And I thought this over very, very carefully.
		And I knew that if I didn't come back pretty soon, despite the re-acclimation problems I was going to have, that I would never come back.
		It was that close.
		You know, I was beginning.
		They use the term going native.
		Well, you do.
		And you get so used to the way things are there.
		When I first came back to the United States, I wanted to leave.
		I wanted to leave.
		I missed Okinoa.
		It was home.
		I said, boy, I did a dumb thing.
		I never should have left.
		And it took a while.
		And I was right.
		You know, if I had stayed there very much longer, I would have completely gone native, and that would have been that.
		I'd still be there right now.
		That was kind of nice to hear from Okinoa.
		All right, back to it.
		We go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is Donald from Russell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Well, I got a couple things here.
unidentified		First thing, do you remember I'm the guy who sent you the photo of the spaceship aisle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
unidentified		Well, first thing I was wondering, did you ever get a hold of OL?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I kind of did a pre-interview with him and I determined that I better sit back and think about it a little bit.
unidentified		That's kind of what I was afraid of.
unidentified		I guess he talked your head off, among other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he let's see, how can I put this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He had other things he would rather talk about.
unidentified		This is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As they say, a picture is a thousand words, and that photograph of Spaceship Dow will go down forever and ever as one of the great classics in my mind.
unidentified		Did he tell you that he worked for Boeing aircraft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		He didn't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he didn't.
unidentified		Well, he, it's one thing I forgot to tell you, but he told me that he worked for Boeing years ago among his other million things he wanted to talk about.
		But a couple more things I was wanting to talk to you about is, let's see here.
		About the time traveler.
		Oh, yes.
		You know, it's kind of a shame that people base their opinions on somebody who is just not a good public speaker.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's what they do.
		You can't stop the way people are.
		If somebody is not a polished speaker, they form an opinion.
		It's just the way it is.
		However, I predicted after that show that I would get more mail and email about it than anything I had done in a long time, and that is exactly what occurred.
		It's still coming in.
		I mean, people are as fascinated, interested, delighted, or angered by it as they can be.
		And so that made it a good show.
		It was a good show.
		And if I find somebody else with another time machine, I will interview them.
unidentified		Good deal.
unidentified		Appreciate you doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as far as Spatial Val is concerned, I haven't given up on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I said was that I thought at the time I better think about this.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
		One more thing.
		I've been on the internet for a while, but for the life of me, I don't know what this is.
		I've got a small business that I'm fixing to put on the internet for advertising on my own webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I've got a bunch of people that, well, the news group that I'm in doesn't call it this, but there's some people that call it spam.
		S-P-A-M.
		For the life of me, I don't know what that means.
		It's apparently not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just another way of saying a bunch of baloney.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		All right.
		Well, I guess that's about it.
		But sure appreciate the time, and I look forward to the interview with that thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Yes, on the 30th at Dunes.
		He's got a major announcement to make.
		We'll see what it is.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Yes.
		Oh, wow.
		It's going to have a tired note.
		Larry Motts was on the other night with The Haunting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, on Dreamland.
unidentified		Yeah, and I just heard it last night.
unidentified		I didn't realize it was a repeat until today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was not a repeat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did that yesterday.
unidentified		Yeah, but I heard it at 11 o'clock because the station I heard had a basketball game on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, some stations, you know, when they have sports on, they delay it just long enough so you can hear it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So, but I was really interested in, and I'm wondering if you're going to have them on again anytime soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, considering I just had them on yesterday.
unidentified		Yeah, but like, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'll have them on again, but, you know, let's let a little time pass.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I just, I have a, well, I'm wondering, do they charge to come out and check out a house?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you would have to ask that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one question we did not ask.
unidentified		Because I used to live in this house, and I'm still living in the same town.
		And it just has a really interesting background to it.
		And it still bothers me, even though I don't live there anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it haunted?
unidentified		Well, I think so.
		It's hard to tell people that because they think you're crazy unless they've seen it.
		But all the things that happened there had witnesses and different witnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it going on now?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I know the people that live there, but I don't know.
		I don't ever talk to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you should ask them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I doubt they would be interested in investigating something that is not going on now.
unidentified		Well, yeah, but this has been going on for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I'm saying is, for them to actively investigate something or for it to be worth their while, they would have to know what would still be going on now.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, you couldn't investigate.
unidentified		Well, I understand that.
		But I think even they could go just outside the house and see if there's any kind of strange forces or any kind of activity because the yard beside it used to be an old hanging tree.
		There's three trees in the yard, and one of them used to be the hanging tree back in the 1800s.
		Yes.
		And because next door to the house was the old courthouse in jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think maybe it's haunted?
		I've got you by some of the people that were hung there.
		Hang there.
		That could be.
		But again, in order to investigate something, it's got to be ongoing.
		And I would imagine that would be enough to spark their interest.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Y'all was talking about the guy who talked about the holes in Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he was asking if anybody else, you know, he talked about the trees and all the rest of it.
unidentified		Yeah, I can't explain the trees, but back in the mid 1800s, all the way up to the 1930s, people used to dig holes in the ground looking for gold and pile the dirt up around the hole.
unidentified		And if there's dirt piled up around the hole, it's probably an old gold mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's some not a mine, but there's just like Yeah, that's why I would say the trees.
		So I appreciate your submission, sir, but it does not explain the scorched, even broken and twisted trees, as though something came slamming down into the earth.
		West of the Rockies are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm the only one here, sir.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Jerry.
		I've been listening to you from Phoenix for about four years now.
		And boy, you've really grown in a number of stations, I'm impressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's big.
unidentified		I was calling, well, first of all, spamming.
		One caller asked what that was.
		And that's when Percival sent to a lot of news groups all at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's generally BS.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
		It really is.
		But anyways, with reference to Hellbop and the companion and so forth and Courtney, this is a time-sensitive issue.
		I think if we just wait a little bit, we'll see what's happening with Hailbop.
		And we can sort of hold out and see a little bit what happens with Courtney and not have to make judgments right now.
		We can wait a little bit.
		Although, I guess human nature makes us want to just rush out there and get answers right now.
		I know I'd like to have answers today, but I'd sort of like him to make up his mind, let us know within a reasonable amount of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he has.
unidentified		Yeah, that may be.
		But anyways, I just really enjoy your show, and I just want to say, I'm listening to you every night down here in Phoenix.
		Thank you, my friend.
		Right, Kevin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too.
		All I can do is try and tell you the truth.
		Follow the truth.
		You know, some people think that they interpreted my pressing Courtney the other night as some sort of inquisition.
		And I did not intend it that way at all.
		I intended, in fact, I understood fully what Courtney was doing to himself.
		And if I pressed, it was because I was trying to get him to mitigate the damage that I knew was being done.
		Here's another facts.
		Just a word, Reid, Courtney Brown.
		I remember clearly and precisely the understanding you had with him as per the release of the astronomer's photos.
		Initially, he, the astronomer, was to have come forward within one week of the original announcement of his existence and findings by Courtney Brown.
		You indicated then, at the onset, you would wait for that week, and then if he, the astronomer, was not forthcoming, you would release the photos.
		This would, in effect, identify the planetarium, the associated university, and thus the man's identity.
		That week expired long, long ago while I was talking into waiting.
		People should remember that you hung yourself out there all this time in considerate insensitivity to both Courtney Brown and the astronomer.
		You not only kept your word to them both, but you went weeks beyond the duration of your commitment.
		Your credibility is not only intact, but your courage and sensitivity are underscored as well.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This problem has nothing to do with comets or remote viewing.
		This is an issue of character, and yours, my friend, has proven to be intact.
		If one could say as much for the astronomer or Courtney Brown, both of them would be resting comfortably tonight instead of pacing the floor, and you can bet they are, waiting for their respective reputations to come crashing down.
		Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on truth and your word.
		Both are alive and doing well, and that's the whole point.
		That's the message that's loud and clear.
		Gerald and Rancho Mirage.
		Thank you.
		I hope that is correct, and I believe it to be.
		I told you the truth about this from the get-go to the get-in, whatever the end is.
		If there can be a get-go, there should be a get-end, right?
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello, Arcel.
		Hello.
		I sent you something about the alien autopsy a little while ago.
		Yes.
		Did you get that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The email?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I saw it.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Do you have an alien autopsy tape?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Later on, you should look at it and see if you see the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it that you tell the audience what you saw?
unidentified		Well, I was looking at it to put it on the computer.
		Yes.
		And while I was looking, like, you know, those things are supposed to be meant for documentation only, yeah?
		Yeah.
		So they wouldn't really, like, edit it, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was edited by the people who presented it for commercial presentation.
unidentified		Well, this part didn't seem like it was edited for commercial presentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what is the flaw you found?
unidentified		Well, towards the end part, one of the people is holding something in the right hand.
		Yes.
		And almost like in a split second, it's all of a sudden in the left hand.
		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will check my copy of it.
unidentified		Alright, and I sent you, you know how at the bottom it says what the time is?
		Yes.
		On the attached file, it says what the time was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that'll make it easy.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		But you've got to remember there was commercial editing.
		In other words, they prepared that for a commercial broadcast, and it was presented in clips, so it was, in fact, edited for what it's worth.
		The autopsy has never been absolutely proven by anybody or anything to be a fake.
		Yet, nobody knows.
unidentified		This is CBC.
		CBC.
		CBC.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		Father Molly Khan Martin made a statement there as far as what he thought of the Big Bang before the Big Bang.
unidentified		You remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember exactly what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
unidentified		Well, in essence, he was saying that, you know, God sort of dispersed his being and became the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that Malachi that said that?
		I thought it was somebody else.
		But that may be.
		No, I think that was somebody else.
unidentified		Maybe it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had another guest on Dreamland who said that God was a lonely entity.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that he, in effect, blew himself up and created all that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was not Father Martin.
unidentified		Okay, well, I'm not mistaken on that.
unidentified		I know I heard it on your show, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no question.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, my premise is, quite simply, you know, with what we know of physics today, where for every action there's an opposite and equal reaction, do you agree?
		Right.
		All right, and there's a good side and an evil side.
		Now, what I'm going to present here, I hope, will make some sense.
		I've been thinking about this for about two months now.
		Excuse me.
		And quite simply, where the Earth's solar system is located in the universe, you've seen that picture of the universe where you are here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are in the suburbs.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And what I was thinking, just for thought, was quite simply, if God had an evil side, where would he want to send it?
		As far away from his center core as possible, wouldn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess so.
		And banish the evil towards that side?
		could it be possible that we are actually...
unidentified		The evil.
unidentified		And we've been sent out to the hinterlands of the universe to get out of his way, like expelling a cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty negative point of view.
unidentified		Well, no.
		All right.
		Quite simply, man has always had a very high opinion of itself.
		It has no boundaries on its imagination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you agree with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right.
		At the same time, we have created gods upon gods upon gods, going back, you know, from the earth, wind, and fire, and everything else to Mount Olympus with Zeus.
		Now, what a farce that was.
		Yes.
		But if we took that time machine that you had on the other night and went back to the ancient Greece when Zeus was up on Mount Olympus and we told them they were all myths in the 21st century, what would happen to us?
		I don't know.
		I think we'd be shot or stabbed or whatever, torn apart, drawn and quartered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
unidentified		Well, this is what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe even burned at the stake.
unidentified		If we could come back to Earth 3,000 or 4, 5,000 years from now and find out that everything that we've believed up to this point was still absurd.
unidentified		Because if it's true that God did, to use our God Robert A. Heinleins, were discorporate himself and just spread himself all over the universe, quite simply, we could be, like I said, the actual creation of a very lonely devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, in my view, if you could go ahead in time, you'd probably also be burned at the stake.
		Because by then, you would be challenging all the revisionist history that had taken place.
		And you would be virtually a heretic.
		So go forward or backward with present knowledge, and they'd burn you or shoot you or whatever the modern form of liquidation with prejudice would be.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Morning, Art.
		Good morning.
		Ed in Salt Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Al, I just wanted to say that I think that you did everything right in regard to Courtney Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tried to.
unidentified		Yeah, um, you know, I think he owes a lot more responsibility to, you know, 10 million listeners and people who buy his books than he does to an astronomer that perpetuated a fraud upon him.
unidentified		You know, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, we don't know that the astronomer perpetuated the fraud.
		That's trouble.
		We don't know who did it.
		He handed the photo, apparently, according to Courtney or to Prudence.
		And they had hours and hours and hours of discussions about it all.
		So they had to be fairly satisfied that they had something good in their hands.
		At this point, without being able to follow the trail, and I'm utilizing what resources I have to try and follow the trail, the public is going to perceive just about what you're saying right now.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very damaging.
unidentified		One other thing.
		Did you ever read Black Alert at Gondo Station?
		Oh, yes.
		You're in it.
		Well, one of the technicians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I'm not quite done yet, but so far, damn, it's a barn burner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good book.
		Thank you.
		It's very neat to be included in books.
		Yeah, I knew I was in that book.
		Oh, boy.
		I'm beginning to be included in a lot of things these days.
		Then there was Mara's attacks.
		Well, you know, why do you think they attacked Parampo?
		Anyway, I can take a joke.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is David from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, David.
unidentified		I heard you talking a little while ago this morning about Courtney Brown this weekend having told you that you knew only a tiny fraction, one thousandth of the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now this seems to me that when he was on the radio with you Thursday night and he acted as though he really didn't know what was going on, he was really covering up.
		Well, if he knew he was really lying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he knows a thousand times more than he said, I don't know about lying, but certainly not telling us all he knew.
		Because he wouldn't tell me.
		So, yes, I mean, it is a...
		Yeah, it is a fair conclusion.
		It is a fair conclusion to say he knows more than he has said.
		Period.
		He admitted that to me.
		So there you go.
unidentified		And you don't want to use the word lying, but I say he's a liar.
		Well, I'm sorry to have to say it, but I think he's a liar.
		And I think he's doing it out of fear.
		I think he's been put in the corner in some way.
		He feels very fearful about something.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's your opinion.
unidentified		Hope he comes clean.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		All I would say is he does not know all he, he has not told all he knows.
		Being left the way it is, I don't conclude anything except that I understand how the public is going to perceive it.
		And for Courtney, it's very damaging.
		Very damaging.
		And I had a lot of, I had a, even though my weekends are very short, there were a lot of hours involved of introspection about everything that occurred.
		I thought it over very hard, believe me.
		And I reviewed my own actions very carefully, too.
		Very carefully.
		I don't like what happened.
		Nobody can like what happened.
		I know of no way to change what occurred.
		I know that if I had never released that photograph, that it would never have been found to have been a fraud.
		That's for sure.
		But once it was released, and I still view that as the absolute proper action, and then once it was released, identified as a fraud, within hours I was on the air with it.
		And I don't know of any other thing that I should have done or could have done.
		I was bound by my word not to release that photograph to anybody until I finally released it publicly.
		So it's not like I could go strolling into it, into some astronomer or some university with that photograph.
		That would have certainly broken my word.
		Particularly at the beginning.
		And then by the time two months had gone by, I might as well just release it publicly.
		Which I did.
		Within 24 hours, we knew from whence it came.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Kipton Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I've just got a couple of things.
		First, I've been meaning to tell you the last few times I talked to you, I have a new sound for you.
		See if you can play your screaming kitty with the voice diffuser.
		Can you do that?
		No.
		Oh, I was thinking maybe if you could get one to work with the other, it would make a great sound.
		The second thing is in looking at the Vatican Observatory and the history of it, I found the thing on the net that they started that in 1582 to study the scientific data required for the reform of the calendar, which I found very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about the one down in Arizona?
unidentified		Well, that's related to it.
unidentified		That's just an offshoot because the one in Rome was too close to the light, you know, from the city, and they wanted better air, and they wanted better viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		in order to correct the calendar, is that correct?
		Well, no, in 1582, Mount Graham was just built.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Now they've just continued their astronomical research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For what reason?
unidentified		To, as they say, to, well, I think it was to study the spectra of the stars, you know, to classify them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the job of astronomers.
unidentified		Right.
		And that's kind of their background.
		When I checked into a bunch of the people that they've got with this, they're mathematicians, they're physicists, and a lot of them became Jesuits after they had done their work in mathematics and physics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, I suppose, you know, they can do anything they want.
		But with regard to the observatory of Mount Graham, I am not satisfied that I understand the motivation for having that there.
		For the incredible political clout that was required from Rome to get all that done.
		Past the environmental regulations.
		On native land, right past it.
		Got it all done.
		In and operating.
		By the way, I've got some photographs of it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Ms. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was just wondering, do you feel that you bear much responsibility for allowing the propagation of that fraud without properly checking it out yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would I have done that?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I would think that common sense would say that one photo of something taking place.
unidentified		I mean, astronomer upon astronomer would have taken dozens of photos if the thing was getting closer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he claims to have those.
unidentified		But relying upon one source for promised information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I had two sources, Prudence Calabri and Professor tenured professor at Emory University.
unidentified		But they're both basically one voice, Donald, they're the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fair to say, but it was two people, both of whom claimed to have talked to this top ten university astronomer.
unidentified		I'm just wondering, do you feel any responsibility for that or your stories in the future, your parents?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and if the question is, would I put on a similar claim, for example, based on similar evidence?
		The answer is yes, I would.
		You would, I mean, without checking out your shows.
unidentified		And I mean, the reason I bring this up is when I was listening to some of your listeners over the months and all that, some of these people really put a lot of hope on this, which is kind of ridiculous.
		It's kind of sad.
		They're putting so much hope on, you know, some spaceship, the rapture machine, and all this coming down.
		We have all this life on this planet that's going flying into extinction faster than even the Cretaceous extinction 65 million years ago.
		And people don't really care too much about our species, but they're thinking about life on other planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that is?
unidentified		I think it is because of a long history of propaganda.
		But it's a long story.
		That's another story.
		But it's just a sad thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to answer your question directly, given the level of the person who approached me, a professor, tenure, at Emory, which is a gigantic university, prestigious, and as much evidence as he did supply, which was a photograph, yes, I would put the story on the air again today.
unidentified		I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to wait till April 1st and tell you April 4th and add egg on everybody's face.
unidentified		I would hope that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		I would just hope that in the future that before you put paranormal stories on and all that, because it seems like there's a lot of people that are going to be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is no.
		Given that much credibility going in, I would put it on the air again.
		And I also, by the way, put on stories with a lot less credibility than that.
unidentified		See, I guess that's the difference between paranormal and real science.
unidentified		Real science would keep it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		I'm not claiming, in a lot of cases, for example, I put up pictures of chupacabras.
		I put people on the air who claim they have made time machines.
unidentified		But what about money invested?
		Aren't people gaining financially from this far?
		Who?
		This forestite institute, all of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was awfully short term if that was the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And with the damage done, I would think a lot more is lost than gained, wouldn't you?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		I have no idea how much money was involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would just tell people to get it reality.
		As far as I know, there was no money involved at all.
		I don't know of anybody who made any money.
unidentified		Well, that's as far as you know, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, can you tell us any differently?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can, go ahead.
unidentified		I remember one night listening, and someone was saying, I will give you any amount of money if you'll teach me this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		The comment someone made.
		Well, I'm not sure.
		We're all filled up and all of this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		First of all, you've got it wrong.
		That was Major Dames.
		Major Dames is all filled up and has been for a long time.
		It shows you how carefully people listen.
		They don't listen to what's...
		That was Major Ed Dames.
		And he doesn't take new people into his school.
		Now, did people go and take the Farsight course?
		Maybe some did.
		I don't know.
		But if you're looking at the financial gain aspect of it, the long-term damage is going to far, far, far exceed the whatever short-term gain there might have been for the Institute, I'm sure.
		So I don't read it that way.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I just wanted to talk about the concept of time, an interesting subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Do you believe in absolute time or do you believe Einstein's theory of relativity and some of the implications that are involved?
unidentified		In other words...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My own personal view is that it basically is our invention.
unidentified		It really is because it's an illusion in a certain extent to each individual.
		In fact, it's been proven that a clock, two clocks that are perfectly in sync, if one is above the other in altitude, the one on the bottom will run slower.
		Yeah.
		Oh, you've heard about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard of experiments where clocks were put in airplanes and flown at great speeds in opposite directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not one above the other, so that's new to me.
unidentified		So that would mean that someone that lived on the top of a mountain, if they were twins, would age slower than someone that lived at sea level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know about that.
unidentified		No, that's true.
		That's something that physicists believe.
		You should have a physicist on someday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, the people in Denver should have life expectancies far exceeding those of, say, people at sea level.
unidentified		Well, it's a small differential for that altitude, but it would have an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		talking about one mile of difference.
unidentified		Well, true, but I'm talking about Well, true.
unidentified		But if you were in a spaceship traveling near the speed of light...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really want to try a tough question?
		Want to answer a tough question?
		Oh, shoot.
		Let's say we're traveling at the speed of light or near it since we can't.
		Well, let's say we're traveling.
		Oh, no.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll make it easier for you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Subjectively.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suppose we're traveling at 99.9 tenths the speed of light.
unidentified		Gotcha so far.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're in a car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we turn the headlights on.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How fast is that, are the headlights going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The light from the headlights?
unidentified		The headlights, they go the speed of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They go at the speed of light.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Because they're light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that light would just sort of crawl ahead when you turn on the headlights?
unidentified		It would be just a small percentage ahead of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would just crawl ahead.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it wouldn't really be traveling at the speed of light.
unidentified		Hmm.
		All right.
		Let me also tell you, you got me there.
		What the computer would say when it first came to life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
unidentified		Gaga Gates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gaga Gates, huh?
unidentified		That's my theory there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought maybe a dad gates.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Take care.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, my name is Rose, and I live in the Bay Area of California.
		Hello, Rose.
		I know you're probably getting tired of this topic, but I wanted to call in about Courtney Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, no, that's all right.
		What I'm doing, Rose, is I'm having open lines because I realize people want to hash this out.
		So I'm going to let it burn itself out.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, I give thought about this.
		I listened to the program when it was on.
		I listened to the rerun of it.
		And one of the, you know, when this originally happened, when he called in and told about this photo and he sent the copy to you, I was thrilled because I thought, finally, a scientist has got enough guts to come forward against the community and give out information that they have that everybody else is trying to ignore or explain away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the way I felt about it, Rose.
unidentified		Okay, and I felt that Courtney was thrilled with this, and this is how he was, you know, corroborating what he picked up on his remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Okay, and then I know from the very beginning, from that very first show, you said that you would release it if he didn't come forward within a reasonable time.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rose, can you hold on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have to break for the news.
unidentified		Okay, can you?
unidentified		Okay, yes, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, stay right there.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Call art bell, toll free.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are the ones.
unidentified		Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Martell.
unidentified		Anything you want to talk about, open lines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all fair again.
unidentified		I've got a caller on hold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here she is again.
unidentified		Go right ahead, babe.
		Okay.
		Like I said before, when you talked to Courtney Brown about this, you said that you would hold it, like he asked, for a reasonable period of time.
		And if he didn't have this news conference, that you were going to go ahead and show it because you felt that people had the right to see this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I said, yes.
unidentified		Right.
		I remember that from the very beginning.
		Okay, now I know that there was a great difference between the story that Courtney Brown saw with his remote queuing and Ed Dames saw with his on the airplane crash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So there is a difference in point of view.
		There seems to be a conflict there.
		Also, I know Ed was a little bit upset because Courtney changed the way that he did the remote queuing.
		So Ed admitted that he changed the way he did it from the way he was taught.
		But anyway, if somebody wanted to discredit Courtney Brown so that people would not listen to him and would possibly listen to Ed, because Ed has worked for the government.
		I believe he said he still does at times work for the government.
		Okay?
		If they wanted to discredit him so that they wouldn't listen to what he said, then you became a tool to do this.
		That this was planted.
		If it's something that big, then it would be next to impossible if we had the name of the astronomer to go back and try to find out where it came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that hard.
		Hold on.
		You've said quite a bit.
		Let me say this to you.
		Even if Courtney Brown wasn't going to give us the name, Courtney Brown could certainly himself go to the astronomer now and say, who gave you that photograph?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And follow.
unidentified		Which I think he's trying to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Or he had anyway.
		No.
		No.
		Wrong.
		Well, I mean, he didn't know forgery at the time, but he's been trying to get back with him and he couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, has called and called and called.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not going to try to pursue the physical evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's made a statement that's up on the internet this morning.
unidentified		Okay, that I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's saying he is not going to attempt to prove anything one way or the other with either the photographs, you know, the negatives that they've still got in their hand, for heaven's sakes, or pursuing the astronomer to find out where the photograph came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a real problem with that.
unidentified		Right, I understand that.
		And the thing that bothers me is that because that, you know, it's human nature to do this, that it's kind of like I feel like we should say, okay, this was a forgery.
		Acknowledge it, accept it, and say, okay, but I am not going to allow that forgery to prevent me from being able to listen to what Courtney Brown has to say about the remote viewing of whatever he does.
		I want to be able to judge what I hear from him on his own merits my own intelligence.
		And you can.
		Well, you know, if he doesn't come on the show, then I don't know how I would have access to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Courtney Brown has a website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He posts all his remote viewing results up there.
unidentified		Well, I guess I can go ahead and look through that.
		I hit the website of work because I don't have a computer.
		I don't do any communication through it.
		I just look and see what's there at different places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one avenue for you.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		You know, I feel bad that you have been the tool for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, he has written books, and I'm no longer.
unidentified		No, I have the one book.
		Right.
		But I just, you know, I hope that people can, you know, I know that there's going to be a lot of people that's going to say, okay, all of this stuff, everything, since this is a forgery, everything he said is done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You know, and that's because they're looking for an excuse to not accept it.
		Well, look.
		One of these days, whatever is out there is going to hit everybody in the face, and nobody will be able to ignore it anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that'll be so.
		But until then, Courtney honestly has dug his own hole.
		And he's digging it deeper right now by saying he's not going to pursue trying to prove anything else.
unidentified		He shouldn't cut his bridges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, look, that's all I can tell you right now.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, thank you for being there, and I hope that he straightens this out and comes forth because it isn't right that the public should be left robbed of information that he may be able to give.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		I have no choice but to feel the way I do right now.
		There are any number of ways that Courtney, in my opinion, could now proceed with physical evidence.
		One is the negatives he claims that he's got.
		Says he's not going to pursue that.
		He's not going to show them to anybody, privately or publicly.
		So that's one avenue cutoff.
		He's cutting it off.
		Another is, either privately or publicly, he could pursue the astronomer.
		Even privately.
		There's no damage to the astronomer from that.
		And saying, where'd you get the photograph?
		Well, I got it from cell phone.
		And pursuing that until we get to the person that committed the fraud.
		And so I'm sorry.
		He's unwilling to pursue any way to clear his name.
		I can't do that for him unless I receive information that allows me to do that.
		And so far I have not.
		And believe me, I've tried.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have three quick things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, far away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, the computer first word would be, deal the cards.
unidentified		I'm tired of solitaire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The second thing, when you were talking to the astronomer in Hawaii the other night.
		Dr. Hainaut, yes.
		I understood him to say September of 85, it was posted.
		Actually.
		And it was taken August the 31st of 85.
unidentified		And I believe he said it twice.
		Right.
		Or 95.
		I'm sorry.
		95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		95.
unidentified		So that would have made it two years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the third thing, I want you to stick to the COP philosophy of who, what, when, why, where, and how, and motivation, opportunity, and motive.
		And I think you're following that trail very well.
		Best I can.
unidentified		If I can do it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Very good job, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all you can do.
		Unfortunately, without all the information, without all the clues, the proper clues, you're cut off at some passes.
		You know, stopped.
		But time and time has a way of solving things, and I have a feeling it'll be the case here.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Carrie from Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		In order to see Hailbot, you need to look east at the Milky Way.
		Right.
		So, well, I just picked that up off of PBS station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trouble is that for me, it's not far enough above.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I've got mountains to the east.
unidentified		Well, I guess it's supposed to double in brightness on the 30th of January.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll bet it will.
unidentified		So, but anyways, been dialing all night.
		Now, I just forgot what I was going to say real quick here.
		What a computer would say?
		Oh, yes.
		The first thing a computer would say would say, stop feeding me all of this dribble or I'm going to have to purge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do that on a fairly regular basis without intelligence.
		All right, thank you very much.
		At least seven people, I knew it, are dead and ten seriously injured following two powerful earthquakes in China.
		The quakes were only about a minute apart.
		They rocked China's northwestern province, causing houses to collapse and apartment buildings to crack.
		In one town, the Tumblers knocked down the surrounding wall of a police detention center, but inmates remained locked in their cells.
		So there you've got it.
		It was in the six-point-something range, and that size of an earthquake in China, even in relatively uninhabited areas, can be very deadly.
		Dear Art, you've been talking about your love of clocks.
		I don't know if I love them.
		Here's a joke for you.
		A man passed away and was at the gate of St. Peter's, St. Peter, and there he was saying, let me give you a tour.
		So the man walked with him into an auditorium where the walls were literally lined with clocks.
		The man said, what's with all the clocks on the wall?
		St. Peter said, each person has a certain amount of time on earth, and the clocks record that time.
		The man looked and said, why do all the clocks show different times?
		St. Peter said, again, each person is allowed a certain amount of time on earth, and each time they lie, their clock runs faster, and their time is shortened.
		The man looked at the ceiling and saw a big clock with its hands literally twirling around and around and asked, What about that clock up there?
		And St. Peter said, Oh, that's O.J. Simpsons.
		We use it as a ceiling fan.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hold on, let me hear the punchline.
		No, okay.
		All right, I got a couple things for you.
		Sure.
		This is Carl in St. Louis Park, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		As far as your radio station that I could have here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'd love that idea.
unidentified		I'd call myself Art Bell Jr. and I'd pick up lots of babes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would, huh?
unidentified		I hope so, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it hasn't.
unidentified		It's been a little dry spell lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate to tell you this, but it hasn't worked that way for me, so.
unidentified		You mean you don't got a bunch of groupies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Well, Pen sounds like she's a groupie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's a cutie.
		I think she's a good caller.
		She's a lot of fun, but I don't think she is what you think she is.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hate to spoil that for you, that image.
unidentified		Well, don't, Ben.
		Okay.
		Hey, about Courtney Brown.
		Yes.
		He's made a lot of money by appearing on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has he?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Well, he got $25 out of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bought his book?
unidentified		I bought his book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And now I feel like I was jobbed.
unidentified		And I heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be gypped.
unidentified		Jobbed, gypped.
unidentified		There's a lot of verbs I could throw out that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get the feeling.
unidentified		But I think he's made an awful lot of money appearing on your show and your listeners.
		You know, everybody buys your products, you know, so everybody's going to buy the book.
		You know, he's had some really great shows that you had with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no doubt about it.
unidentified		And I just, this incident just ruins his credibility with me, and I just don't trust him anymore.
unidentified		and I'm glad that you're not gonna have him back on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And no matter what he says in the future, I said, unless he comes forth with information indicating where we can, in other words, where this fraud came from.
unidentified		Correct.
		He's not going to do it.
		Well, you know, maybe he's going to do it.
		I don't know.
		But tell him if he wants to tell the difference.
		Well, first, let me tell you this.
		I have a way that we can make him talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, before you give that, again, I want to say whatever short-term gain there might have been with regard to book sales or whatever, I mean, a lot of guests I have sold books, even most of them, as a matter of fact, certainly is going to be offset by a long-term loss that is far greater as a result of this.
unidentified		That's correct.
		Yeah.
		When I heard your interview with him and Whitney the other night, is it Whitney or Whitley?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Whitley.
unidentified		Whitley with an L. Okay.
		I heard him say that he's wary of lawsuits.
		And he's worried about getting sued by this professor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then he could go to him privately.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, well, I'm saying, how we can make him talk, get all your listeners in the Atlanta area over Brown Emory University, have them start filing frivolous lawsuits against them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Against who?
unidentified		Against Courtney Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For what?
unidentified		for makeup and a reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were walking down the street, Well, that's as bad as that's awful.
		Sir, that's absolutely awful.
		And you're stooping to a level that you should not be stooping to.
		This is from Bill, who is a ham, and who I believe runs the amateur radio newsline.
		Art, your idea of creating a new micro-broadcasting ban makes sense, but I doubt that it would satisfy the current crop of micro-broadcasters like Stephen Dunofer, Radio Free Berkeley.
		This is because it would be years before there'd be an audience to hear the broadcast.
		And as I understand, most micro-broadcasters want to attract existing audiences.
		I suspect they would be the most vocal in opposition.
		Also, the ITU International Radio Telecommunications Conference.
		Well, My comment would be that you might be right, and it might not satisfy them.
		That doesn't mean it's not a good idea ultimately, and that if implemented ultimately, it would not solve the problem.
		And again, I feel like there is spectrum becoming available as more and more services begin to utilize satellites and various other forms of more reliable communications rather than HF.
		So there would be room.
		I think it's a good idea.
		First time caller, Lynn, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, my name is Diana, and I'm from Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, and I'm calling about Courtney Brown.
		I'm sure you're tired of it, but I wanted to let you know, and your listeners know that I've met the man.
		I've taken the courses down in Atlanta.
		And he's a very high-principled man.
		I believe he's very sincere.
		He's got the betterment of humanity in his heart.
		And I believe he's been used.
		And I hope that it does come out that this has happened to the man because he doesn't deserve all the negative comments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you say may be absolutely true.
		Maybe, and he at this point could act in several ways to mitigate this.
		And so far, he is not doing that.
unidentified		Yes, I understand that.
		And I understand your frustration and the listener's frustration as well.
		I'm sure that what he said to you, that there was reasons why he couldn't come forth, is true, because I believe him to be a very honest individual.
		And I'm sure that it's very difficult for him, whatever the position he is in right now, he didn't intend for it to happen this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm almost willing to bet on that well he talks about believing that as a matter of fact, he said it that why we were told that we would be slammed with disinformation He said that now if he is aware that this is disinformation designed to discredit him I
		I cannot imagine a scenario where either publicly or privately he would not pursue clearing his name.
		Can you?
unidentified		Well, like I say, I don't know.
		I'm not walking in his shoes.
		All I know is that I've met the man and talked with him, and I believe that he is a very high-principled man.
		And if he is protecting somebody or not coming forth for a reason, he has those reasons, and I'm sure that they are good reasons.
		I can't imagine what they could be either and I understand why people are coming forth and saying this and that about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right and look the reason that I appeared so tough on him the other night was because I knew damn well the impression that was going to be left by his answers and that's why I pressed as hard as I did.
		And I was right about that.
		I mean if you listen to the phone calls and what's being said that's exactly the impression that was left and I'm not saying those people are wrong having gathered that impression based on what they heard.
unidentified		You're right.
		I understand that too and I can understand that they are not aware that remote viewing does in fact work.
		I took the classes.
		It does work.
		That's all I can say.
		And him protecting this astronomer has nothing to do with remote viewing working.
		And that's what's really frustrating for me because of being all put in one big ball of wax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		There's damage to remote viewing in general.
		Sure, thank you in the public's eye.
		There is no question about that.
		What that young lady said is absolutely correct.
		I too believe there is something to remote viewing.
		I realize that all of this has had damaging effects not just on Courtney, not just on Prudence and the Foresight Institute, but remote viewing in general.
		Perhaps less so to remote viewing in general, and more so to Courtney specifically.
		But definite damage.
		And when we were doing the show, I knew that.
		I knew it well.
		I've been in this business a while now.
		I knew what kind of damage was going on.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, there is a photograph of Area 51 on my web site, and in the whole Brown thing over the last few days, that fact got kind of lost.
		But somebody sent in a photograph, an aerial photograph, apparently, apparently, I say, of Area 51.
		And it is so good that I have no idea how it was obtained.
		One source says USGS, but I can't imagine how USGS would get an aerial photograph of Area 51.
		It could be satellite, but it seems too good for that.
		It could be Russian satellite, but it seems too good for even that.
		So I don't know.
		It could have been a private aircraft, but I can't imagine a private aircraft getting that close without getting shot down.
		So for what it's worth, there is a photograph of Area 51.
		Quite a bit of detail.
		It bears some blowing up.
		In other words, you can magnify it before you begin to get pixelated.
		Pretty good picture of Area 51.
		Take a look-see.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Tim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		I was wondering, have you seen the televangelist Jack Ban Empy's program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay.
		He has a syndicated show.
		And it's been quite interesting.
		The last few weeks he's been making an announcement that the Catholic Church through the Vatican is going to be making a startling announcement, as he puts it, in the next week or two.
		And he's going to be covering that on his show.
		And I thought it was fascinating, wondering if it was going to be tying in with Ed Dane's announcement on the 30th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess we're going to find out.
unidentified		But I have my VCR set to record the next two or three programs that we'll be airing in Denver.
		So if there's any interesting information, I'll try to get it out.
		He's kind of like the Art Bell of Televangelist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll have to keep us informed because I can't get him here.
unidentified		He has lots of, what he does is read, at the beginning of his program, he reads the news of the week or the past several weeks, nation news, nationwide news, and worldwide news, and then reads Bible prophecy, how it fits in to the end times and things like that.
unidentified		It's a very fascinating show, and one I can tolerate watching real easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'll keep it posted.
unidentified		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Keep us posted.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Mark.
unidentified		This is Craig Carl's back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Craig.
		You're going to have to yell at us a little.
		You're not too strong here.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Is there any way you can get a hold of Prudence without going to Courtney Brown?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the last word I had on Prudence was from Courtney, and that was yesterday, and he told me that she had resigned.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I really have no way at all to get a hold of her now.
unidentified		Because if you could, you would need to ask her why she resigned rather than simply take maternity leave of absence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I could, I would.
		But as I just explained to you, my contact for her was through Farsight.
		So if she's not there anymore, I have no way to talk to her.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Before you have Major Daines back on, could you have him possibly find out through a remote dealing if she is really pregnant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think I'll pass on that one.
unidentified		Okay, one last thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I've got The first words from a computer, there are three short words, but in order for it to make sense, I've got to spell it for you.
		So here goes.
		It's B-Y-T-E-M-Y-B-A-U-D.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be bite, as in computer bite, my baud.
		Right.
		I got it.
		As in baud rate.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good morning, sir.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		I haven't been listening too long, so I kind of need you to explain to me what exactly is remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you will tune in on the 30th, Ed Dames will do that for you, dear, but I certainly don't have time to do it right now.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I've just got this publication of a book by Duncan Steele, who's an astronomer from Australia.
unidentified		It's forwarded by Arthur P. Clark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's a lot of really good background information on the name of the publication is Rogue Asteroids and Doomsday Comet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or there's going to be a doomsday comet that will get us all.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay.
		Yeah, well, this one could do it, eh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The subtitle for this.
		Excuse me, what could do it?
		Well, either the comet tail bop or Right.
		That's a long way.
unidentified		That's true.
		But anyway, the subtitle for this book is Search for a Million Megaton Minutes That Threatens Life on Earth.
		And this guy worked for NASA on the detection and looking for these things and how to deal with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, listen, the threat from comets and asteroids, particularly asteroids, asteroids are really worse.
		Comets are generally thought to be dirty snowballs.
		However, asteroids are large, dark, hunks orock, generally thought to be rocks, basically.
		Rocks made up of who knows what, but rocks.
unidentified		Hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if a large asteroid hit Earth, that would be not good.
		That is going to be the subject of a movie coming up in February.
		I'm sure you've seen the promos.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, I can't believe I'm on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		Who are you?
		Oh, is this Art?
		It is.
		Oh, I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Fair Oaks, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Would you turn your radio off, please?
		Standard instruction number one, when you get on the air, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Hold on.
		Yeah, I started listening back in November, I think, the Whitley Straever show.
		It was the first show I listened to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And I've got so many things to say.
		The thing that I really wanted to talk to you about was last March, I had a, you're so sorry.
		And my question is, it was in the evening sky.
		It was dark out.
		Yes.
		And I wish I could have photographed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish you could have, too.
unidentified		I know.
		I didn't even think it out.
		I've been looking for years, years and years.
		Back in the 60s, some friends of mine had taken some night film down in your area and had taken it to a local film processing lab.
		Yes.
		And by word of mouth, oh, you should see the pictures we took.
		And so, you know, friends would go over and view them.
		And this went on for about four or five nights.
		And all of a sudden, one evening, these men in streets from MUFON showed up.
		How they heard about the films, we never knew.
		Yes.
		They went frame by frame.
		They examined them.
		They thought they were very authentic.
		They wanted the films.
		My friend said, well, he would, you know, have a copy made.
		And that was the end.
		We never saw him again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never saw who again?
unidentified		The films.
		We went to, you know, took them back to the, I don't mean the lab, but, you know, a local film lab.
		They had copies made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And they disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why didn't you take the negatives in?
unidentified		Um, I don't know.
		That wasn't me.
		That was just, you know, my friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, generally, more copies are made from negatives, not from prints.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		These are movie films, so I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Movie films.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, like 15 millimeter or.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in other words, you're suggesting MUFON absconded with NUSB.
		The lab absconded with them somehow?
		It's always like the fish story, the big one that got away.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Sorry, this is still in Five Seth, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I've got an answer for your near light speed car question.
		All right.
		What happens is the light coming out of the car is going to speed the light.
		The observer will see it at the speed of light, but the frequency changes.
		It's the red shift, the same thing you see on the stars, that they have to adjust for?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So if the car is going at you, you're going to see it.
		It's actually going to be a blue shift.
		It would be very blue at that kind of speed.
		And if it's going away from you, it's going to be red, but leaving the car, it's just going to be the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the light would change in color depending on the direction.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate that answer.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and have a good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Arbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		All right.
		Man.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		That's great, man.
unidentified		I've been trying for like all year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't say that.
		You'll discourage people.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Bradenton, Florida.
		Bradenton, all right.
		Yeah, it's just now I'm getting light over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it is.
unidentified		I was out looking for help off, but I couldn't really see it.
		But I just want to ask you, excuse me, if you're going to have a guy on, a gentleman by the name of, can I say his name?
		Can I say people's name?
		Yeah.
		First name?
		Yeah.
		His name's Grungelo?
		Are you going to be having him on soon, you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Because I read in a newsletter that he might be appearing on your show.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did a sort of a pre-interview with him, and I'm thinking about it.
unidentified		You're thinking about it?
		Mm-hmm.
		Okay.
		Do you have any, like, any date you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have no date yet.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, um, well, I've really been looking forward to that, and uh, I really enjoy your website.
		It's really neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And you have a good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too, sir.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Ron from Nashville.
		Hi, Ron.
		I just got through reading Courtney Brown's book the night before your show aired with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And I was wondering when I was listening to him, he might have a higher reason for himself, but what about the Federation?
		The whole point of his writing the book and the Federation telling him was so he could get out the truth to people.
		Now, if people don't believe him, how's he going to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I think it's going to be a very difficult mission indeed.
		He's made it very difficult, and he can't tell us why.
unidentified		Right, and I mean, it seems like the Federation's purpose would be far above any he ever had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish I had answers for you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, I've asked all the questions.
unidentified		Well, thanks, Art.
unidentified		It's something for everybody to think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
		I'm another one of those.
		Can't believe I got through.
		Oh, you did.
		Rups lost it here.
		The stuff with remote viewing, I think what hasn't been talked about is the fact that the damage has been done, we say, to the listeners, but we've gone out on a limb talking to the people we work with in our neighborhoods, talking about what they consider to be all this weird stuff.
		And then we get the validation of having talked about it, and then it comes out in the news.
		You know, see, I told you Art Dell talked about it.
		Stuff with the frogs being a good example.
		Right.
		The comments and stuff.
		So when we, being good people, have to go back and say, hey, you know, it came out.
		It was a hoax.
		We were defrauded.
		Everybody's all upset.
		You should have heard them going last night.
		Real embarrassing.
		The ones who were the holdouts, meaning the ones who didn't hear us being right and become Art Dell listeners, they said, see, told you, you're right, weirdos, and they stopped listening to what we're talking about.
		and a lot of us believe that what we're talking about is kind of doing a public service and helping people out for what's coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the cost also is to...
		But on the other hand, consider the cost if at some, if this had been sort of all washed under the carpet or swept under the carpet, I guess, not washed under, sweep it under.
		And the truth had never come out or had come out in some other way, then there would have been real damage.
		At least we are now seen as having followed the path as far as we can.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		I'm talking more, I guess, in terms of why it's still being talked about, why we're so hot about it and it's going on and on and on.
		You know, we've been made to feel foolish as well.
		It's not that it's going to change the way that we go about things, but we just had to say, well, we got it in our face.
		We're admitting it.
		That's the way it goes.
		The thing with remote viewing is a what if for you, real quick on the remote viewing thing, is when we talk about remote viewing, we heard about it as the government project.
		Public heard about it, and it was stopped, and not going to use our tax money to pay for this kind of weird stuff, sidekicks, et cetera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't honestly think they're not still doing it, do you?
unidentified		That's my point.
		We know, we say, oh, come on, yes, sure, the government quit it.
		If it was working, if it was effective, no way the government would quit it.
		It just went undercover.
		It became another clandestine government operation, right?
		So my what if is if we take that as the government project is still going on, they never had the stoppage in their work, their research, that the private sector had when they had to leave the project and start their own institutes and such.
		So the government continued with its research.
		So I'll assume that they're better at it than our private sector, all right?
		Meaning Ed Daines and Courtney Brown.
		Given that, isn't it possible that the government being better at it, knowing that Brown and Daines and the others is a real threat to them?
		Because No More Secrets, every other project that's clandestine with the government is going to be exposed.
		They've got to do something to stop it.
		So mind-wise, thought-wise, even though they talk about when someone else is remote viewing, they know it, what if the government has overcome that problem and they're essentially jamming the circuits for the private remote viewers so that they're getting false impressions and false readings?
		It would account for why we had the two remote viewers coming up with completely different answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't account, though, for a fraudulent photograph.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, absolutely not when it comes to that.
unidentified		I'm just posing that as a what-if for us to think about when it comes to remote remote views.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it comes to remote viewing, you can, thank you.
		You can imagine any scenario you want.
		That there's a war of remote viewers going on.
		That they're all colliding out there in the ether.
		That they're feeding each other disinformation.
		You can imagine all kinds of things when it comes to remote viewing.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Will from Madison, Wisconsin, having to listen to, and thank gosh, that they're on the air, KSD, out of St. Louis, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Will.
unidentified		Local stations here, and even the big boomer out of a big city, they take you off the air and they put on blah, blah, blah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The morning shows, yes, we know.
unidentified		And in fact, kind of a laugher, I called into that big boomer because for some reason or other yesterday at 4 a.m., very unusual for them, they put on somebody else, and then that guy for a whole hour just got one call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Yep.
		Anyway, listen, what's on your mind?
		Okay.
		One of my good friends was Emeritus Professor of the Department of Meteorology, University of Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		He was the father of the NASA Air Weather Satellite Surveillance Program, now deceased, Professor Werner Suomi.
		And he had some ideas on the causes of our weather anomalies.
		But as you know, I've looked all over in Europe, etc., how weather has caused tribes to move about.
		And you are right on the money, a lot of other people.
		We may be approaching another, but it's going to be slow, slow process, another mini ice age, weather changes, tremendous changes occurring.
		We'll have warm periods, colder periods.
		And lastly, and very importantly, one of the tribes that may have been forced to move when it got colder, about 1,700 before the time of Christ, possibly, was a tribe called the Sedoni, the Sedukaiset, of which there are only 600 left on the Russian side of Estonia, or 300 on that side, 300 on the Estonia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm running out of time here.
unidentified		Okay.
		They brought the alphabet, Dagarneris.
		They may be the Phoenicians.
		In fact, may even have been down in Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, I gotta go.
		I gotta go.
		I gotta go.
		Thank you very much.
		You'll have to continue the tribe story later.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		This is Henry calling from Hawaii.
		Hello, Henry.
		Hi.
		I didn't realize I was there too.
		Anyway, I just wanted to make a quick comment about the comment, Alba.
		Well, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wanted to mention, would that affect a lot of the weather and a lot of Listen, I'm going to give you an opportunity from Hawaii to say goodnight, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So say goodnight, America.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it's done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Cosmos, Canada, America, everybody from Mai Desert.

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