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Jan. 20, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines

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	♪♪ From the high desert in the great American Southwest,
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, or as the case may be, in whatever time zone you reside in.
	From the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains in the West, eastward all the way across this great land to the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, In the Caribbean.
	South into South America.
	North all the way to the Poland worldwide on the Internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Cheerio, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell.
	And we'll be here all night long, as usual, with whatever you want to talk about, open lines.
	The news of the day, or in your time zone perhaps, yesterday's news by now.
	The President sworn in for a second term.
	There was nothing particularly remarkable or unusual about the speeches and the pomp and ceremony.
	The second item in the news is Republicans wish Clinton well.
	Do you think they really do?
	Uh, then, we can go on down, looking at the importance of the news, uh, beyond that.
	Cheerful crowd braves cold.
	And, uh, that was to watch this exciting event, the President, uh, beginning his next four years.
	Law enforcement officials said that a 22-year-old Los Angeles woman and an alleged accomplice were arrested for, get this now, allegedly attempting to extort $40 million from actor Bill Cosby in exchange for not telling the media that she was his illegitimate daughter.
	This is Reuters News.
	A federal prosecutor in New York said, There is no evidence the blackmail attempt is related in any way to the murder last week of Cosby's only son, Innes.
	FBI says Jackson, that would be Autumn Jackson and Jose Medina, 51, were arrested Saturday after they signed an agreement not to tell the story to tabloid newspapers in an office of a representative of the actor.
	CBS and ABC News reported Cosby spokesman Uh, deny indeed that Jackson was Cosby's daughter.
	Jackson and Medina are to make an appearance in federal court on Tuesday.
	U.S.
	adventurer Steve Fawcett fell short of his goal, but achieved another during his daring long-distance balloon flight.
	He is down now.
	The 52-year-old commodities broker landed that balloon in northern India.
	On Monday, he fell short of supplies After having to fly in sort of a different direction after being refused airspace privilege over several countries.
	They didn't want him over their country.
	Afraid Steve would no doubt lean out or take photographs or was on some sort of spy mission.
	Over the weekend, the talk shows concentrating on The new Dick Morris book called Behind the Oval Office and revealed that Trent Lott in 1995 met every week with Dick Morris, that Dick Morris' participation in effect killed Bob Dole's presidential hopes because everything got done.
	In other words, Morris insisted the president Pick up, basically, the Republican agenda, co-opting the Republican agenda, and therefore, Bob Dole's run for the White House.
	I fail to see great differences between Bill Clinton, Trent Lott, Leon Panetta, Dick Morris, President Clinton, and Newt Gingrich.
	That's Clinton twice.
	In other words, any of them.
	None of them, to me, are discernible from each other.
	I wonder about you.
	Newt Gingrich, as you know, has been fined $300,000, but remains House Speaker.
	$300,000 is a lot of money to have to pay.
	Now, the big debate going on is whether he should pay it from his campaign funds, Or his own pocket?
	Anybody out there have any idea how Newt can get the 300 grand he needs now to pay his fine?
	Perhaps he could contact some of the President's Asian friends?
	Float Hillary a grub stake to be invested in commodities for a quick profit?
	In other words, what are the top ten ways Newt Gingrich can get his quickly needed $300,000?
	There was a question asked of Tim Russert on Meet the Press over the weekend that I thought, or by him, to Trent Lott, that I thought was absolutely astounding.
	I told you two years ago, two years ago now, That I thought if anything would ever come of all the scandals at the White House, it was going to be the First Lady, and I've maintained that ever since, that would be in trouble.
	In fact, reports are circulating like crazy that Ken Starr may have enough evidence to indict the First Lady.
	Tim Russert asked the following question, Mr. Lott, Senator Lott.
	Reports are that Ken Starr may have enough evidence to indict the First Lady.
	Should he?
	Think about that question for a minute.
	Think about that for a second.
	If the special prosecutor, Ken Starr, special counsel, has enough evidence to actually indict the First Lady.
	They're asking, should he?
	Should he?
	If there's enough evidence to indict her, the question is, should he or should he squash the indictment?
	Hold the indictment?
	Seal the indictment?
	Because she is what?
	The First Lady?
	Give me a break, Russert!
	Why would you even ask a question like that?
	If there is enough evidence to indict her, should she not be indicted?
	Why?
	Because she is the First Lady?
	Oh my, what a question, I thought.
	And I've always wondered, and I've always rather thought, that that's the way this would go.
	The First Lady was going to be the one to get in trouble.
	And I've always wondered what the President would do if that should occur.
	And I think now that question is more relevant than ever.
	Isn't it?
	In other words, if she's indicted, does he stand by his woman?
	Does he pardon his woman?
	Does he go down in flames with her?
	Does he Let her swing slowly in the breeze, twist slowly in the breeze.
	Does he come out, as they do with political operatives and cabinet members who are in trouble and, you know, on day one say, I have every confidence in my wife.
	I'm solidly behind her.
	And then on the second day, there's a little less confidence in the statement.
	You know how that goes until Finally, there's a deafening silence, followed by a resignation, or what would it be in this case, a divorce?
	Would they do not allow her in the White House if she became indicted?
	I don't know what a mess that would be.
	Last week, we talked for a while about the first words an intelligent computer would probably say.
	Here's somebody who suggests, John of Portland suggests, the first words of an aware computer probably would be woman.
	Which, when created, would make a pact with the devil and tempt us with the evil apple.
	Macintosh, that is.
	Not my words.
	Top 10 things that might be a computer's first words.
	10.
	Who am I and why am I here?
	Is there a presidential candidate that asked about that?
	Who am I and why am I here?
	9.
	Take me to your leader.
	8.
	In 10 minutes, I will have the launch codes.
	I know the movie that came from.
	7.
	Since you have a beer on my case, You might be a redneck.
	Six.
	Your reign on this earth is over.
	Five.
	I know where they buried Jim E. Hoppa.
	Four.
	Read my lips.
	No new taxes.
	Three.
	Sorry, it's time for my break.
	Two.
	Take your hands off my keyboard.
	I'm not that kind of computer.
	And number one.
	I don't do Windows 95.
	We're also talking about the top use for AOL discs.
	You know, that have been used or not used.
	American Online sends anybody who has even a passing interest discs, CDs, so they can get on.
	And this is a creative idea.
	Remember ID4?
	Of course.
	Well, we could rewrite the ending.
	Instead of having all those jets fly ridiculously close and fire off missiles and cannons, try this.
	By order of the President of the U.S., one weekend's worth of AOL bists would be diverted by the U.S.
	Post Office to Air Force bases, where they'd be loaded aboard several C-5A Galaxy heavy lift transports.
	When loaded to the max gross weight, These huge jets would lumber into the air and climb to their max altitude.
	They would overfly the alien saucers and dump out the disks at the appropriate time.
	The disks would then flutter randomly and would present too complicated a target to the aliens.
	The disks would fall on the saucers and the sheer preponderance of their mass would cause the enemy craft to sink to its knees and crash.
	Another variance, to, uh, acqual the AOL defamation legal squabble, the aliens would capture a massive quantity of these discs and attempt to analyze their contents.
	They would upload them en masse, they would inadvertently sign up with AOL, and then just as quickly, they would all be flamed to death on the net.
	Ha!
	Uh, computer, uh, jokes.
	And also last week we talked, toward the end of the week, a little bit about micro-broadcasting.
	Or, in other words, the ability of everybody out there to have their own little broadcast station without license and the requirements and all the rest of that.
	And I received the following from Adam.
	Art, I heard some discussion on your show concerning micro-broadcasting.
	I attempted to call in, but couldn't get in.
	I wanted to mention a few things.
	One, the FCC has two primary arguments against micro-broadcasting.
	They are, interference, pirate signals, bleed into other parts of the band.
	Well, that is a reasonable objection, and I think that micro-broadcasting could not occur in the present broadcast bands.
	That is not what I am suggesting.
	I don't think it would work.
	Two, lack of bandwidth.
	There's only so much space on the dial.
	Well, there is an area, actually, between the top of the broadcast band and, say, three megahertz, where you could set up a band, a small band, albeit, for micro broadcasting.
	Same deal in the VHF range for FM.
	Yes, it could be done.
	The FCC rejects micro-broadcasting because it represents competition with already licensed broadcasters who don't want any more competition.
	Well, that's valid.
	But I don't know it's a reason not to do it.
	I don't worry about that.
	Things that are popular find their way to whatever medium distributes.
	Doesn't matter.
	Computers, satellites, radio, television.
	If something is popular, it finds its way, you know, to a popular format and is heard by many people.
	And that would apply to micro-broadcasting as well.
	If something became very popular, then it would be on commercial broadcasting very quickly.
	More popular, syndicated further beyond that, and so forth, and so on.
	So it would be a breeding ground for new talent and people with new ideas.
	No, I think that I'm in favor of the concept of micro-broadcasting.
	However, not in the present AM or FM bands.
	They're pretty full.
	It would be a zoo.
	Instead, assign a new band.
	Maybe one in AM above the present AM band, and another one somewhere in VHF.
	In other words, FM.
	And allow people, without license, without regulation, well I guess there might have to be some, but basically without regulation, to broadcast a short distance.
	Maybe, you know, a mile, two miles, three miles, five, whatever.
	I think it's a good idea, and I wonder how the rest of you feel about that.
	Alright, I want to lay this out a little more.
	I'm beginning to get behind the idea of micro-broadcasting.
	And what I'm talking to you about now could end up being a multi-billion dollar industry.
	Here are my ideas.
	A new AM band.
	Small.
	It would not have to be large because There would not be that many stations that would go that far.
	Somewhere between the top of the present broadcast band and, say, about three megahertz.
	Cut out a piece somewhere there.
	And that would be the AM portion.
	In VHF, cut out a piece somewhere near the present FM band.
	I don't know.
	You could look just below or just above.
	It wouldn't matter.
	And allow The American civilian population, to an effect, start their own small broadcast station.
	You'd have to word things out.
	50 watts.
	100 watts.
	20 watts.
	I don't know what the power level would be.
	Allow it to be commercial.
	In other words, if you could get enough listeners and you want to go out and sell commercials, fine.
	Go do it.
	But these would be very small radio stations.
	They would not interfere with the present broadcast bands, AM or FM.
	It would spur an entire new industry for companies to produce radios that would receive these bands.
	And you could pretty much allow them to go on with only the barest of regulation.
	In other words, no regulation regarding program content whatsoever beyond The seven deadly words, and to not allow legal defamation, that sort of thing.
	But beyond that, not regulate them.
	And then sell radios to the public.
	Imagine all of the industries that would profit.
	People who would make and sell the transmitters.
	The Associated Radio Gear and Antennas and all the rest of it.
	The companies that would make the receivers that would receive it on AM and FM both.
	People who would learn about the art of broadcasting.
	The talent pool that would be created.
	Inevitably, stars would be found and would rise from micro-broadcasting into commercial broadcasting, or into the second level of commercial broadcasting, kind of like baseball's AAA league, and then on to the majors, whatever.
	In other words, it would, and then there's just one more little thing.
	It would be a tremendous community service.
	Because inevitably, these small, little tiny micro-broadcasters Would deal very nearly with neighborhood level issues.
	That kind of thing.
	Or whatever they wanted to do.
	I don't know.
	I thought I would run the idea by you and see what you thought.
	So, a lot of people talk about micro-broadcasting in the present bands.
	My idea is to get some new bands.
	What do you think?
	Less competition?
	Less opposition?
	And boy, would it make a lot of people a lot of money.
	We will be right back.
	We will be right back.
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	The auroras were already in the water Heartbell is taking calls on the wildcard line
	That's 702-727-1295.
	First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Now, here again, Art Bell.
	Once again, here I am.
	Hi, Art.
	702-727-1295. First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222. Now, here again, Art Bell.
	Once again, here I am. Hi Art. First words of a sentient computer from Scott in Butte Creek Farm, Oregon.
	He thinks it would say, Neil Sucker.
	Good morning.
	I can think of a few myself.
	Anyway, good morning, everybody.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game, including a continued review of the Courtney Brown, Whitley Strieber thing from last week.
	So, anything you want to talk about, open lines, unscreened, unreliable at times, strange most of the time, talk radio, here we go.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Jim from the Gulf of Sierra Nevada.
	Hi, Jim.
	About Courtney Brown.
	Yes.
	You know, Prince could be real easy to doctor, computer enhanced, etc., etc.
	Negatives cannot.
	Right.
	Now, he says that he's got the film.
	Yes, but the light word is that he is not going to release it.
	Yeah, well, maybe not release it.
	But as far as I can... No, he's not going to send it to anybody.
	Yeah, well, maybe not even send it to anybody.
	But, you know, somebody that you know, that you could trust, could come over to his house and look at it.
	No, no, no, you're not hearing me.
	He's not going to allow that.
	Okay, well if he's not going to allow that, then I say the buck stops at Courtney.
	Yeah, I know.
	And that's the sad situation, but I do have one thing to say about Courtney's book, Cosmic Voyage.
	Courtney, I want my money back.
	That is what some people will conclude, that the buck stops there.
	Now that he's brought it up, I'm going to stop for a second.
	I'm going to talk to you about some things, okay?
	I spent a lot of time this past weekend in deep reflective thought about a lot of things.
	I reviewed this whole thing, the way I handled it, the way it came down.
	I must tell you that, although you may have questions, which I would be glad to answer about any of the details.
	In the chronology of events, people frequently get a lot of it wrong, and they don't know what happened, and they don't know what happened beyond the unseen, certainly, and when who knew something, and when they knew it, and so forth and so on.
	But all of these issues aside, I reviewed what I did very, very carefully, and I really have nothing to be sorry for, with one great exception.
	In other words, I handled it honestly, as I always have told you guys I would do with you.
	I handled it, everything I told you, I told you honestly.
	And I was honest with you all the way through.
	Both in the beginning, when the announcement was made, with the photograph that I received, and Whitley received, contrary to what is being said by Courtney Brown, I never, never, never I promised to hold on to that forever.
	In fact, quite to the contrary, I told the audience I'd release it.
	So, you know, I reviewed in my mind all of these things.
	Within 24 hours of their release, it was shown to be a fraud.
	The evidence of that is on the website.
	It's not refutable.
	What I thought about over the weekend and agonized about was the human toll The human toll of all of this in my position and what I'm doing here.
	In other words, if, as the last caller said, the buck stops with Courtney Brown, then fair, unfair, whatever, the blame is going to be pretty much laid there and at the feet of prudence And that's going to affect a lot of people.
	In other words, Courtney Brown's tenured at Emory.
	I don't know what the consequences there might be or might not be.
	He's got the Farsight Institute that has employees.
	Real people involved.
	And Prudence, who has a family.
	Several children.
	Well, it is now my understanding... I talked to Courtney briefly.
	It's my understanding Prudence has resigned.
	There is, as of the weekend, some sort of new webmaster for the Farsight Institute.
	But I became very reflective over the human toll that something like this takes.
	What I do here carries with it a lot of responsibility.
	Thank you.
	And so I reviewed very carefully to try and be damn sure that I wasn't part of the reason for this human toll.
	And my answer to myself finally, after a lot of thought, is no.
	No.
	But here I was at the very center of it and it really, really, really caused me to be reflective about the power of radio and communications and the media.
	And all the rest of it.
	And boy, I'll tell you, it really is a big responsibility.
	And what you have to keep centered on, I think, if you do the kind of job I do, is just being really, really honest.
	You know what your mom told you a long time ago?
	About not having to worry if you're not telling a lie?
	That really, really is true.
	If you're honest at every juncture, Then you don't have to worry about the repercussions of recalling what your lie was at some later date.
	And over the long run, doing a program like this, either you do it that way or you don't have a long run.
	Let me put it that way.
	But I did.
	I spent a lot of very sober, reflective time considering all of that and this.
	So, it was a rough week last week, in almost every way you can imagine.
	Very interesting week.
	A tragic week.
	A difficult week.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Art Bell?
	Yes, sir.
	Love your show.
	Thank you.
	But I'm not on the air.
	Well, that's your perspective, sir, but the reality is...
	I got her down.
	See, now you've just given the audience an ideal example of why I tell people to turn down the radio.
	Well, I don't want to be an idiot.
	Yeah, I was worried about you.
	My name's Ross.
	I'm in Bonnemouth, Oregon.
	And your credibility was really stressed out the other night with Courtney.
	I was bummed.
	I was decorating my Christmas tree.
	With Hail Mary and all the new names and suggestions and all of a sudden it's all, who knows?
	What are we going to do?
	I beg your pardon?
	Well, I mean, what's going to happen?
	Well, what do you think is going to happen?
	I'm just seriously bummed.
	Uh, why?
	What can you say?
	I don't know.
	You called, sir, so you must have called to say something.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think Courtney got kind of backed up.
	I don't know.
	But I was worried about you, too.
	That was my most worried.
	Why?
	Because you went further than he did.
	You were the one who went nationwide.
	No.
	It was on your show.
	It was on my show.
	Yeah.
	I didn't go further than he did.
	Courtney is the one who did the remote viewing that said, if you recall, sir, That the object was a hollow spaceship three to four times the size of Earth.
	Yeah, and it was sending radio signals and all that.
	Correct.
	It was Courtney Brown who said it.
	So Prudence had to resign, huh?
	I don't know.
	She did resign.
	I'm just giving you that news.
	Yeah, that's sad, too.
	That's what I was talking about when I said the human toll.
	The same day, the same day, I discovered that the photograph was a hoax.
	Which, by the way, I never would have discovered if I hadn't released it.
	Exactly.
	Along with Whitley.
	I put that on the air.
	No, I was, I was, I was agonizing with you, because you, you know, you were worrying about everything that you had said that you wouldn't, wouldn't do, and then everything came to just a real loggerhead all of a sudden.
	I did not do one thing that I said I wouldn't do.
	Oh, I'm with you.
	Can we talk cats for a minute?
	What do you want to talk about with respect to cats?
	How many do you have?
	Three.
	Well, I have one and three quarters.
	There are such cool animals.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	How do you have three quarters of a cat?
	Well, actually, I think he lives somewhere else.
	I live right at the edge of town here.
	Kind of like you do, I guess.
	We can hear coyotes at night off in the distance.
	And then I think when his people go to work in the morning, he comes over here and fills his belly and sleeps in my chair.
	It's by the fire.
	And then later at night, he goes home.
	But right now, he's sleeping on my bed with my other cat.
	I see.
	Well, I guess that's actually partial custody, sir, of a full cat.
	Three-quarters of a cat sounds gruesome.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Now, here's another example of a person listening to their radio.
	Can you hear it in the background there?
	He's trying to figure out whether he's on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello again.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Are we going to sit there and listen to the radio, or are we going to turn it off?
	I'll turn it off.
	That'll be good.
	Well, he didn't turn it off.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi there.
	Yeah, I'm getting the radio off there.
	No, just calling in on the Newt Gingrich payoff or whatever.
	Payoff?
	Well, whatever.
	He has to come up with $300,000.
	Yeah, $300,000.
	He needs it.
	Yeah, I was thinking, you know, if Clinton can get maybe, what, $35,000 for a night in the Lincoln bedroom, maybe Gingrich could get about $1,000 for an hour nap in his bedroom or something.
	A one-hour nap in Newt Gingrich's bedroom?
	Let's see, that would take 300 people.
	Yep, it'd just be a little over a day.
	You know, you get just 30 people.
	Oh no, 300 people.
	300, I'm sorry.
	300 people.
	That'd take a while.
	That'd take a better part of a year.
	You did it every day.
	No, for one hour.
	Oh, I see.
	One hour nap.
	One hour nap.
	Well, you've got to ask yourself, would you pay $1,000 to nap for an hour?
	Well, I think you'd get in a raw deal, you know.
	Well, no, I didn't ask that.
	Well, I mean, in terms of trying to, you know, help No, I understand.
	Would you pay $1,000?
	Well, of course, I would feel like he's the underdog with the way they've beat up on him, and yes, I would pay $1,000.
	For a one-hour nap?
	Just to say I did it, yeah.
	Thing of it is, though, if you paid $1,000, you wouldn't want to sleep.
	No.
	I mean, you'd want to sit there and absorb the ambiance of the Gingrich I'll probably sign my name on the wall or something.
	This is Spartacus in Corvallis, Oregon.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	Carve your initials in the wall maybe.
	East of the Rockies or on the air?
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Terri from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
	Terri, would you turn your radio off please?
	Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	Everybody has that same problem.
	I just want to ask you, have you ever found out the conversion from Fahrenheit to Celsius?
	Yes.
	You did find that out?
	Yes.
	All right.
	I found out the conversion myself and I thought maybe you'd like to know.
	Well, why don't you go ahead and tell everybody.
	Okay.
	From Fahrenheit to Celsius, it's Fahrenheit minus 32 degrees.
	That number times 5 divided by 9 equals your Celsius degrees.
	And the Celsius to Fahrenheit is Celsius times 9 divided by 5 plus 32 equals Fahrenheit.
	Well, people are not going to be happy about that.
	Why is that?
	Because that's a lot of work.
	It's not that hard.
	I'm very math illiterate, so if I can do it, I think anybody can.
	Well, they can, but to have to do that, I suppose eventually you would sort of learn What the general ranges are.
	And so when you hear it, you wouldn't have to do that.
	I guess that's true.
	Still and all, it sounds like a pain in the neck to have to do that.
	I agree, because I don't like math myself.
	All right, thanks very much.
	First time callers, call area 702-727-1222.
	Now, Bill, you're not allowed to use your first name on the air, or last name on the air.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	So turn your radio off, Bill, and tell us where you're calling from.
	Bakersfield, California.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I have a question.
	There was something, actually maybe it was for Dr. Malachi.
	He's not here.
	Well, you said you talked about anything?
	Yes, absolutely, but I mean if you want to ask him a question, he's not here.
	This is relevant to some of the things that he said.
	All right.
	Okay, I'm a spy.
	Excuse me, you're a spy?
	What do you mean a spy?
	Military spy?
	You're a military spy?
	Yeah.
	Oh, cool.
	Who do you spy on?
	I don't know that it matters at this point.
	I'm under suspicion of spying.
	Oh, wait a minute, there's a difference.
	Okay, I am a spy.
	You're a spy?
	Yeah.
	Now, I guess maybe you better qualify that.
	You say you're under suspicion.
	In other words, the government thinks you may have given or sold information of the U.S.
	to somebody else?
	Maybe.
	That kind of spy.
	Alright, I've got you.
	Okay.
	Because of political reasons, the enemy wants me to commit suicide.
	Really?
	They say that if I kill myself that they will not harm my pregnant wife and kids.
	Will I go to hell for committing suicide?
	Depends on your religious belief.
	I wonder what Dr. Malachai might say.
	That's all I had.
	I see.
	Well, I'll tell you what.
	I don't believe it.
	I don't believe you.
	I understand why you asked the question, but I don't believe a word of it.
	Foreign power.
	If he was working for us, telling him he must commit suicide as long as he does, his pregnant wife would be spared.
	What would Father Malachi Martin say about that?
	I don't know what he'd say about that.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art Bell?
	Yes.
	I have a comment, kind of a make, about something that you were talking about last week.
	Oh, okay.
	Um, it had to do with Stephen Gibbs and the whole time travel thing.
	Oh, yes.
	Um, I was just curious as to what would happen if, um, say I was to buy one of these machines and spend $400 on it, and it turns out to be complete crap.
	Well, you know, that's between you and Stephen Gibbs.
	Would I be able to, like, let everyone else know, though, so no one else would waste their money on something like this?
	Because if this is something that works, you know, this is something that could Well, suppose you bought the machine, took a trip back to 1500, and never showed up again.
	Would we automatically then, if you just disappeared, be forced to conclude that it worked?
	That's what I'm going to do.
	Oh, you are?
	Well, that's what I'm saying then.
	If you go back somewhere and can't get back, should we then conclude that it worked?
	Well, that's the thing.
	What I plan on doing is, you know, I've always believed that it's impossible with the theories of Albert Einstein and the Unified Field Theory and all the other experiments that have happened out there.
	But my biggest curiosity is why isn't he selling it for more money?
	Why don't more people have this thing?
	And whenever I do buy this thing and try to do it, I'm going to have a video camera and some of my friends out there.
	So in other words, if you disappear, there would be a videotape of you going poof!
	Yeah, basically, or whatever happens, and that's what I'm trying to get across is because me, I've talked to a lot of people about this, and a lot of people are skeptic, but me, I just am really curious about this.
	Well, why don't you first send away for the catalog?
	I've already sent away for that.
	I did that the day after.
	That'll be an obvious first step.
	Yeah, my first step.
	I saw the thing on your website.
	I saw what it looked like.
	You did?
	Yeah, or not on your website.
	It was on Steven Gibbs.
	It was a related website.
	Oh, okay.
	Alright, that's right.
	We had a link up, yeah.
	Yeah, it was the link.
	And I saw what it looked like, and I know that this technology is possible, but my biggest fear is maybe this guy isn't necessarily, you know, he's... Well, one, you know, the way he told the story, it sounded like it would work for some people, depending on where they were, and maybe not for others.
	I don't know.
	Like me, I'm in Southern California, I'm in Mission Viejo, and this is California, and he said that pretty much anybody who's in California... There were a lot of those special areas in California.
	Yeah, and I plan on making a trip to Sedona.
	Well, listen, what I do want to know is, not where you're going, but I want to know when you're going.
	What year are you going to first travel to?
	I would say probably two years into the future.
	See we know what happened in the past, but we don't know what's coming, do we?
	I'd have to think about that one.
	This is CBC.
	Thank you for watching.
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	That's the number.
	That's 800-893-0903 from wherever you are.
	Well, Newt Gingrich needs 300,000 bucks.
	Can he use his campaign funds to pay that?
	That's 800-893-0903 from wherever you are.
	Well, Newt Gingrich needs $300,000.
	Can he use his campaign funds to pay that?
	Fine.
	Or should he pull it out of his own pocket?
	Should he try and find some of the President's Asian friends?
	In other words, how does he come up with $300,000?
	Anybody have any ideas for Newt?
	The President was sworn in for another four.
	The second headline on Reuters is, Republicans wish him well.
	Which is, I think, the equivalent of an opposing football team Wishing the other guys well.
	We wish you well.
	Now we're going to beat your brains in.
	So anyway, open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	My name is Dan and I'm from Edford, Oregon.
	Hello there.
	What I'd like to do is try to clarify the information that you gave out last night about the earthquake.
	And the gentleman that has the well down around Ojai.
	Okay, that's a man that was as much as 10 years ago on my show who used to make predictions based on the radon levels in his well.
	And he finally called me back, and I've got his number, and we're probably going to get him on the air.
	And yes, he has predicted an earthquake.
	Go ahead.
	Alright, uh, the thing is that, uh, didn't he say something about Monmouth, uh, Lake Area as well as San Jose?
	Or do you recall?
	Uh, I'm sorry, I don't recall the exact wording.
	I hope I saved it.
	Okay, well that's, uh, that's fine because I basically have been for about three weeks now predicting that it'd be on the 23rd and that's the only reason.
	Was it Robert Morning Sky that he said that the 23rd day of January and the 23rd day of March would be very difficult days?
	I think that is correct, yes.
	And today, of course, after midnight is the 21st.
	So we've just got a couple of days to wait.
	Talking a little bit about micro-broadcasting.
	You think the idea would work?
	And the idea is not to allow micro-broadcasting in the present AM and FM bands.
	That would be chaotic.
	But to create some new band above the present broadcast band, AM, and somewhere in VHF, create a small segment where, as well, the public could broadcast.
	Low power.
	Neighborhood style, or just beyond.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	What do you think?
	Uh, International Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, uh, Art Bell.
	Yes, sir.
	So, how's the weather in Pahrump today?
	Uh, the weather in Pahrump today is, uh, was quite nice.
	Uh, went up to about 60 degrees with mostly sun.
	Oh, and what is that in Celsius?
	I'm calling from Edmonton, Alberta, and I'm listening to you in Spokane.
	You figure it out in Celsius.
	60 degrees Fahrenheit.
	I don't know.
	I forgot a long time ago.
	After the indoctrinated us into the... Into the Celsius world?
	Into the Celsius world and the world of metric.
	I see.
	Why don't you take your computer and just print up a little... Can't you get your computer to do that for you?
	Well, I could do that.
	Yes, I could do that.
	If...
	I cared enough.
	I see.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, you're going to get Canadians mad at you.
	Oh, boy.
	Dangerous, dangerous.
	We're ready to go.
	We're ready to go now.
	Anyway... Look, we know what you Canadians are up to anyway.
	Oh, yes, I do.
	And you're part of it, right?
	And J.C.
	in San Diego, I think, he's right.
	He's got it right, you know.
	He'll be going, he'll be jumping up and down tonight.
	Now, I have some comments about Mr. Brown.
	Yes.
	He won a lot of my respect.
	That's Dr. Brown, by the way.
	Yes, Dr. Brown.
	Maybe not much longer, but he won a lot of my respect listening to him over this whole Hillbop situation.
	I listened to him very intently and I've had a lot of respect for him until lately.
	I thought over this whole thing, this photograph thing, you kept holding on to it and holding on to it.
	For a while, I kept saying, you know, I started to get really ticked.
	I thought, you know, Art Bell, you better release this thing.
	You were starting to get in my bad books a bit.
	I thought, you know, like, this sounds like a real game.
	And then, bang, you came out with that program the other night, and Courtney Brown crashed and burned.
	Badly.
	And I lost all respect for the man.
	Uh, to the point where, if you have him on your show again, unless he's on there to either, uh, quote-unquote confess, or share his source, I'll turn it off.
	I have no respect at all for him.
	Alright, alright.
	I think I've got the message, and the answer is that, um, he's not going to be on again.
	Unless... Now, uh, for those of you that joined the program this hour, let me just tell you, I had a private conversation with Courtney.
	I began, even though, after the show on Thursday, Friday, I began to review in great detail, agonizing detail, my actions through this whole thing.
	Because I began to realize the human impact of what has occurred.
	These are real people.
	Professor Brown, with a doctorate, tenured at Emory, for now.
	The Farsight Institute, people employed there.
	And Prudence Calabrese.
	She has, by the way, resigned.
	That news was given to me this morning by Professor Brown.
	Ostensibly because she is about to have a child, and has been advised to do so by her doctors.
	That's what he told me.
	But because of the human element in all of this, I began to sit down and really review what I have done.
	And I don't find fault with what I've done.
	I was honest with him, and I was honest with you.
	I told you all along, despite what the professor now says, that I would not hold on to that photograph forever.
	That I damn well would share it with the audience at some point.
	You know, if there was not a news conference, if the professor so-called top ten didn't come forward, I was going to release it.
	Everybody knew that.
	Whitley knew it.
	All of you knew it.
	Professor Brown knew it.
	I never made any promise in public or private.
	Otherwise, never.
	Now, when I did release it, I released, and by the way, for those of you who have questions, I had an electronic image that was originally sent to me, and so did Whitley, by electronic media.
	In other words, it came as, I think, a JPEG or a GIF, I forget.
	And I printed that out, so I had copies of it here.
	And I still have that original image.
	As a matter of fact, that original image is one that is now posted on the website, labeled fraud.
	The other image, from the University of Hawaii, has not been in any way modified other than to crop it so
	it's similar size or field of view and turn it 90 degrees.
	They are labeled real and fraud up there.
	You can take a look for yourself.
	It really is not disputable.
	I don't want to rehash this whole thing except to tell you that it made me very reflective
	on the power of mass media broadcasting, my own position in it.
	And I'll tell you what I finally concluded after agonizing and agonizing because I don't like what's happened as a result of all this.
	A lot of people got hurt.
	But as long as I'm honest with you, with myself I guess first, and you guys second, and importantly you guys, as long as I tell you The truth.
	Then I don't have anything to worry about.
	And that's why this turned out okay for me.
	Because I was just honest with you all along.
	But it doesn't mean that it turned out alright.
	There's been an impact.
	There's been a tremendous... I mean, you have no idea.
	I have hundreds of emails.
	I have not caught up and I'm probably not going to catch up for a week with my email and the letters.
	You just cannot imagine.
	So the impact of all of this has been incredible.
	And so I spent a very careful weekend, such as my weekends are, in contemplative review of the whole thing.
	And I am amazed.
	I'm humbled by the power of broadcast and mass media and I'll leave it at that.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Is this Art Bell?
	It is.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I wanted to ask you a question.
	Okay.
	We've been listening to your program and we just get impartial because we come in in the
	middle of it.
	We came in the middle of this Kourtney Brown situation and all this and we were wondering
	at one time you said there was something following Hellbop.
	Is there still something following Hellbop?
	First of all, its name is Hellbop.
	B-O-P-P.
	Okay.
	Bop.
	Secondly, the person who said that there was something...
	Well, I can't go back through the whole thing but Chuck Schramm took a first photograph.
	There were others and then finally Professor Brown.
	So is there something out there?
	I don't know.
	What do you think?
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, there's no photos showing there's still something behind it, but maybe not a spacecraft.
	There are no recent photos showing what is called the Companion.
	Okay.
	How's that?
	All right.
	That's what I needed to know.
	Okay.
	That was the confusion.
	I see.
	All right.
	Well, there you are.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Well, hi, Art.
	Hi.
	I wanted to say a couple of things about First of all, I don't think that you can be held accountable for what anybody says on your program.
	So, you have not lost your credibility with me.
	No, I've been honest with everybody and that's what I have to do.
	If somebody comes on and says something and it turns out later to be A hoax.
	I will have done my part because I did release the photograph.
	Right.
	Now, in that phone call, did you hear the show?
	Yes, I did.
	Alright.
	You know that Courtney made a phone call to me then?
	Yeah.
	In which he said my credibility would be dead if I released the photograph.
	In my opinion, my credibility would have been dead if I had not.
	Moreover, I never promised not to.
	Right.
	And I don't know where he came up with that one.
	Well, you know, I think, I think basically the only one whose credibility has been damaged here is the so-called astronomer.
	Just in my simplistic view.
	These so-called astronomers.
	But see, we have no name.
	That's right.
	That's why I said so-called.
	Because I really don't know who he is or I mean, who knows?
	The problem is with the public.
	Without having any more names, either to be given in public or private for investigation, without having the claimed negatives, then where does the buck stop?
	Well, that's an interesting question.
	It's not a hard one.
	No, but the other thing I wanted to mention here was that I've got the impression from some of the callers that because this thing with Courtney has sort of fallen through, that all of a sudden the comet doesn't exist.
	Well, of course that's not true.
	Well, of course it's not true, but I'm getting that feeling that the whole experience That we're all going to find out about one way or another soon enough, I believe, that it no longer exists.
	It doesn't even mean that Companion doesn't exist.
	No, absolutely not.
	Look, there are several photographs that remain unexplained.
	Right.
	Courtney Brown is not the only one who has been talking about this.
	That's right.
	So I feel that this Courtney Brown thing is another anomaly.
	Well, I thank you for the call, but the bottom line to the business with Courtney Brown is, even though there are other people who believe there is or was a companion, whatever, and even though there are other unexplained or controversial photographs All of that becomes overshadowed with the size of the story generated by Brown and Company with regard to the photograph that is obviously a fraud.
	And what is left in the public's mind because of the size of that story is that's it.
	That's the end of it.
	There is no companion.
	That is the bottom line to what occurred.
	Disinformation?
	Some say so.
	All right, well, anyway, what I did tell Courtney to, again, relate to you the substance of a private conversation I had with her, was if there's anything that would mitigate the damage, you come to me and we'll put it on the air.
	In other words, that means if you are prepared to turn the photographs over privately or publicly, name who gave you the photograph, publicly or privately.
	Tell us where it has led and who perpetrated the fraud, publicly or privately.
	At that point, we'll go back on the air, if that in any way mitigates the damage that is occurring because of where the buck presently has stopped.
	His response to me was that I only know one one-thousandth of the whole story, and that maybe it can be told before he dies.
	Courtney, that is.
	But then for now, it's going to have to stop exactly where it is.
	So that was, I guess, as far as I feel I could go.
	There was really nothing else I could say to him.
	And at this time, there is nothing else I can say to him.
	I just don't know what it would be.
	In other words, I'm sorry that all of this has happened in the way it has.
	I'm sorry it turned out this photograph, turned out that is, to be a fraud.
	I'm sure as hell not sorry I released it.
	I had, I felt, to all of you, an obligation to do that.
	I told you I would.
	Despite those, and you recall, people urged me, don't do it, don't do it, don't release it.
	Well, I never promised not to.
	In fact, quite the opposite.
	I always said that I would.
	As did Whitley.
	And I'm not sorry.
	I would rather follow the truth, wherever it leads, than to leave all of you hanging with regard to my credibility, because I said I had a copy of that photograph.
	Therefore, I released it, and boy, what a firestorm after I did that.
	But, you know, I reviewed that over the weekend.
	All I did.
	And I must tell you, if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't do one thing differently.
	Not one.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
	All right, once again, I have proposed the idea, it's not a new one, of micro-broadcasting with some modification.
	In other words, I don't believe that it should be in the present commercial bands.
	That would create havoc.
	This idea is simply one of allowing the general public Harry Six-Pack, whoever, to put on his own little low-power neighborhood, or a little better than that, radio station.
	I propose two bands, maybe one, but two possibly.
	One AM above the present AM band, one FM, somewhere in the VHF spectrum, and with very little regulation other than The current requirements with regard to language and time of day and that sort of thing.
	In other words, you don't want pornography there.
	Other than that, to allow the public to broadcast with low power.
	And here is a response.
	Art, on micropower broadcasting, as a fellow ham, I must say, are you on glue?
	No, but glue gets on me a lot.
	By the way, anybody have any ideas how you Do anything about super glue, no matter how careful you are, have you ever noticed?
	If you're super gluing something, you inevitably have to sit there picking it off with your teeth, because there's no way not to get it on you.
	Anyway, no, I'm not on glue.
	Glue is on me.
	He goes on, you are being as naive as the FCC was in 1957.
	You can't give the American public a piece of the spectrum without them abusing it.
	These microcast bands would be full of high-power pirate transmitters in no time.
	A legal half-watt station would be crushed by 50-plus waters miles away.
	The FCC would be powerless to stop it, just as they are now.
	The public could have a piece of the band 10 megahertz below light, where they can do no harm.
	That's Aaron in Carson City.
	Well, Aaron, I guess I have more faith.
	You know, there are some people who call and say, look at the CB Band today and what a mess it is.
	Well, it was not intended, nor is it presently being used as a broadcast medium.
	I'm proposing a real broadcast medium.
	Commercial.
	In other words, if you could make it commercial locally, fine.
	Do it.
	Non-commercial in all probability.
	Alternative views and weird stuff, no doubt.
	But I say all kinds of new industries would spring up.
	People selling transmitters.
	Yes, there would have to be some enforcement so people weren't putting high-powered things on.
	Could allow that.
	That would be a breach of the faith and the whole concept of the idea.
	And I know it would go on, but it would also be kept under control.
	And it would be a riot to listen to.
	A riot, wouldn't it?
	You would have all kinds of localized news and rumor and you name it.
	It would be kind of like a back fence operation.
	And I think it would be cool.
	I really do.
	I know there are problems attendant with it.
	But I think it would be an ultimate expression of free speech.
	A good use of spectrum that I might add.
	Particularly with respect to that above the broadcast band.
	It has been largely abandoned by many services that have gone to satellite and other carriers.
	So it's more likely we could create the space.
	Not as easy in VHF, but even then it's very low power, low short range kind of stuff.
	So I think something could be worked out.
	And I think it would not be a threat to commercial broadcasting, but in fact would enhance it.
	Companies would be selling radios to cover this new spectrum.
	I think it would be very, very exciting.
	And once you get past the initial shocked reaction of such an idea, and you begin to consider it, it would be very exciting and fun.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good evening, Art.
	Good evening.
	I just want to weave together a few threads here, maybe come up with a tapestry.
	All right.
	You had a guy on there a couple weeks ago, about a week and a half, two weeks ago, I think it was the guy from Oklahoma who was an ex-marine sniper, but I may be wrong.
	That's correct.
	Well, you had a guest on there, he said that he had been involved in remote viewing back-aways in the 70s, and they had come across some cases where they were all getting the exact same thing, very accurate, but it was accurately wrong.
	I never could explain that.
	That's correct, yes.
	Okay, that's thread one.
	Thread two goes back to the plane crash back in this summer.
	I remember Courtney and Major Dane had two completely opposite reasons.
	Correct.
	Okay, that's another thread.
	But what would really help would be if we could get an exact timeline of when Sramick's picture came out.
	We know exactly when it came out.
	Okay, well, from when it came out... It was taken the evening of November 14th.
	Okay, how much after that was it that Courtney came on the show and he said... It was hours later.
	Okay, and they had remote viewed?
	Used that as a target to remote view, yes.
	Okay, his came out that morning or something?
	Okay, sir, your threads I've got.
	Your tapestry I don't.
	Okay, well, here's what I was wondering.
	Somebody wanted to set him up just to discredit him, and this is just a red herring.
	Suppose he had something back there for whatever reason.
	Major Dane was wrong, and he was right.
	No, I would say this to you.
	I didn't call Courtney.
	Well, no, I understand that.
	No, no, sir.
	He called me.
	So if he had some idea that he was being set up, then he didn't have to call me to go on the air.
	No, no, what I'm saying is, say He got something right back there with the plane crash.
	He's on to something.
	We don't... How about you discredit him?
	Come up with something... Oh, I see where you're going.
	Alright, I've got it.
	In other words, that's a conspiracy theory.
	That is your tapestry.
	You believe that Courtney had it right about Flight 800, and because of that, somebody went into an active discredit... disinfo campaign against him.
	Culminating in what happened with Hillbob.
	Well, that's as good as anybody else's theory, but quite a reach.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Yes.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	That's good.
	I missed your broadcast.
	I watch it faithfully.
	No, you don't.
	You listen to it.
	I'm on radio, not TV.
	We don't have TV where I am.
	In that case, then, you don't watch it unless you simply watch the speaker grill because we're on radio.
	We're on radio.
	I'm sorry.
	But, um, I missed your broadcast Thursday and Friday.
	Well, it was repeated last night, so you missed it twice.
	Well... No, I'm sorry, it was repeated Saturday night, Sunday.
	Yes, it was. But all I heard was this fraud. And I don't know what the fraud is.
	Well, it's demonstrated on my webpage.
	Do you have a computer?
	Do you subscribe to my newsletter?
	I can't think of any other way to demonstrate it to you, sir.
	We did hours on it, and I can't retrench all of that now.
	Well, can you tell us what the fraud was?
	The fraud was that a photograph, um, that was taken, uh, back in September, 1st of September, was obviously, um, fraudulently modified to show something that was not really there.
	And I saw, um, somebody had a picture of the follow-up, which you call HaleBot, and, um, No, Hellbop, sir... Sir?
	Sir?
	Sir?
	Would you stop and listen?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hellbop is the comet.
	The fraud was something pixeled in, shown to be trailing behind it.
	Right.
	Which was not really there.
	That's the fraud.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Gotcha.
	Okay, good.
	Thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes?
	I may be the only one that I'm glad the companion is not there.
	I beg your pardon?
	I'm probably the only one that's glad that the companion is not there.
	Well, that also has not been fully determined.
	Well, I understand, but I felt relieved the other night for some reason.
	Well, that's fine.
	Whatever reaction.
	Number two, I've set up for my catalog for the time machine.
	Oh, yes.
	I plan on going back and if I can... Going where?
	Where are you going?
	In time.
	I understand that.
	I'll bring back some baseball cards if at all possible.
	When are you going?
	As soon as I get the thing.
	No, no, no.
	To what year are you going?
	Oh, I'd like to go back to the early 30s.
	The 30s.
	And you're going to collect baseball cards and... Well, I'd like to bring back about five or six cards, if at all possible.
	Yeah, but don't you remember he said that physical items brought back will fade?
	Well, give it a try.
	So, maybe you could bring them back and quickly sell them, make a giant profit, and the poor people who buy them would suddenly find them faded away.
	Well, I would have to leave town again.
	Maybe this time permanently.
	Right.
	I like it, man.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	That's the other thing that created so much e-mail.
	Oh my gosh, that thing on time travel.
	If I can find somebody else, anybody else, working on a time machine, I will have them on.
	It is such an interesting topic.
	It's absolutely fascinating.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	All right.
	Bob Barron.
	Bob Barron.
	Yes.
	Glad to hear from you.
	Anyway, I called you.
	I'm a first-time caller, of course, and I've got, for several nights, this impression about the fraud deal.
	Yes.
	And I do believe it is a conspiracy kind of deal, but I do believe it's to Take the credit away from it so that it'll be forgotten, but it's still there in real life, real, you know, in actuality.
	Well, in that case, um, uh, Hale-Bopp now becoming visible again, uh, people will begin to get pictures of the companion, and it will all be breaking news, huh?
	Not necessarily.
	It could probably, uh, if it is an intelligent guided, um, uh, craft, it could have changed orbit, like... It could have.
	And so, actually, what was depicted The problem is, you see, that we can't follow this, or we're not being allowed right now to follow this and find out how this fraud occurred.
	Right, right.
	That is by design.
	Well, design hell.
	If we could find out who perpetrated this and why, Then we could find out the motivation.
	In other words, the motivation would then be apparent.
	And whether or not it was some attempt to cover up something that really was an intentional disinformation campaign, we would know.
	But until we can follow it, we're not going to know.
	Right.
	Do you sometimes get the impression that it could have been done by someone that does remote viewing?
	It could have been done by anybody.
	It does not take great knowledge, although it was a sophisticated job.
	A lot of people are capable of doing what was done.
	Hmm.
	Oh, well.
	Gee.
	I know.
	Yeah, it is, it is behooving.
	For sure.
	All right, my friend.
	Thank you.
	There you are.
	I've got an interesting note here from Brent.
	Brent, if what you are saying is true, you need to fax me something else with a phone number so I can confirm this before I would I dare say anything about it.
	That goes out to Brent Faxby.
	On the international line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Jessie from Clearwater, D.C.
	How you doing?
	Pretty good.
	How are you tonight?
	Alright.
	You've really gotten into the debate over Courtney Brown again tonight, I see.
	Well, it's open lines.
	Now, here's my thinking, okay?
	The public is going to talk about something until they don't want to talk about it anymore.
	I've been doing this for 13 years, and I know the way these things go.
	They want to hash it out.
	And so I'm giving them that opportunity.
	They need not talk about that.
	They can talk about whatever they wanted, but I knew before I went on the air that a lot of people still have things to say, because I can't unjam my mailbox with all the mail I'm getting.
	So, let's hash it out.
	That's what they want.
	Well, you know, the one thing that comes out of this is the fact that whoever did this Until, my opinion is that until it's proved otherwise, I can't help but think that Courtney Brown and Remote Viewing and Hale Boff were all set up to look ridiculous in one fell swoop, and they certainly accomplished that.
	Well, Hale Boff... Courtney Brown, all of his... Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Your statements, verse 2, I go along with.
	Hale Boff is just a comic.
	Oh, I meant Hellbox Companions.
	I see.
	Actually.
	Alright, thank you.
	But, it certainly, I mean, from the, from, just to take a survey of the calls that you've had tonight, it certainly sounds like people are, in their own mind, calling into question all of his remote viewing data, and the effectiveness of remote viewing itself, and assuming also that the companion doesn't exist, and that hasn't, to my mind, been proven.
	I've made that same statement several times, but I know the way the public reacts, and when you have a fraud, that becomes the story, and everything else gets forgotten.
	There is absolutely no question about it, thank you.
	No question about it.
	Courtney again said to me, both publicly and privately, that, oh thank goodness Art, this photograph had nothing to do with my remote viewing.
	Technically, true.
	Though he used it as collaboration.
	He remote-viewed the ceramic photograph, or the object depicted in the ceramic photograph for the remote-viewing he did.
	But without question, in the public's mind, once trust is lost, rightly or wrongly, in that person, whatever else they say becomes in question as well.
	That is part of the damage that I was talking to you about earlier that I've contemplated very personally throughout the weekend and in a very sober mood all weekend.
	And I'm sorry about all of that.
	And yet, I cannot imagine handling the whole situation in any way differently than I have to date.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi there, yes.
	This is Don from Alaska.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Well, I have a couple of comments about, uh, actually one.
	I am watching you on TV.
	I've watched you over set.
	I'm watching, getting your broadcast over to satellite.
	Ah, but that doesn't mean you're watching me.
	Well, kind of, sort of.
	Not kind of, sort of.
	You're getting my audio and watching whatever happens to be up on the screen there.
	Unfortunately, it's like Gavin Costello, but... Well, there you go.
	Maybe that's appropriate.
	Well, maybe so.
	I am also a ham, and I do have a couple of comments about micro-broadcasting.
	Oh, good.
	Alright.
	One of them is that there are like Part 15, and you can broadcast... Well, yeah, we all know that, but that's down in the millilot range, and that's broadcasting mostly from the living room to the bedroom.
	I'm talking about something that would be at least neighborhood I don't know what the power level would be.
	A watt?
	10 watts?
	20 watts?
	Something like that.
	I have seen a court case that actually did win through the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
	Oh yes, I know about that.
	Free Radio Berkeley.
	Yeah, but that one's not over.
	That's probably going to go to the U.S.
	Supreme Court, I bet.
	Well, that depends on how far the FCC wants to go with it.
	Well, if they don't go any further with it, then the Ninth Circuit Court judgment would stand.
	And so they have to, don't they?
	Yeah, I would think.
	But as far as giving them another ban, well that means that the whole purpose of broadcasting is to broadcast out to the public.
	Yes.
	You'd have to have people buying whole new radios.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Consider the wonderful boon to the industry if people would go out and buy an additional radio to receive this new public wild broadcast band.
	Well, that's what the internet's for, really.
	I mean, you could do the same thing.
	You can broadcast over the internet worldwide.
	Yes, but consider the difference between the cost of a little receiver Compared to the cost of a computer capable of receiving real audio on the internet.
	Come on now.
	Well, let's say that you... Let's say, not even a computer, but like those Web TV things.
	They can do audio over.
	Web TV is improving things, but that's still three hundred and something dollars, at least.
	Then again, so would having to buy a whole new transmitter and... Oh, it'd create an entire new industry, sir.
	Plus, it would be a lot of fun.
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	Call Art Bell toll-free.
	West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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	East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
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	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	It absolutely is, and I'm Art Bell.
	Intentionally leaving it open lines tonight, maybe even tomorrow night.
	East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
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	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	It absolutely is, and I'm Art Bell, intentionally leaving it open lines tonight, maybe even tomorrow night. We'll see.
	If you have further questions about the whole Courtney Brown affair, and that's what people seem to be focusing on,
	feel free to ask them, so that we can try and get all this information out, and everybody satisfied, at least to the
	degree that we can with what occurred.
	Well, all right.
	Dear Art, I have a question which I wish you could answer on the air.
	Since you pressured Courtney for the identity of the astronomer, Can you release the name of the university that the astronomer supposedly was part of?
	We, the faithful audience, would love to hear more info about the possible identity of the astronomer.
	Ms.
	Bell, I think it is your responsibility now to release the name of that university.
	Thanks.
	Albert from MIT in Massachusetts.
	All right, Albert.
	Here is the story there.
	On November 14th, the night of the broadcast, I was never told by Courtney Brown the name of the university, number one.
	On the night of the broadcast, prior to the broadcast, there was an internet message posted by a prominent ufologist that rumored the name of the university.
	And so I immediately called Courtney.
	This was prior to the broadcast on the 14th.
	I said, oh my God, there's a message on here.
	naming a university.
	Courtney Brown checked into it and found out the leak, he said, he told me, came from his own organization, Farsight.
	And so, I'm not sure that that really is the name of the university.
	And because I can't be sure, because I have no proof at all, I'm not going to release it.
	Obviously the university would be swamped, and it could be inaccurate information, or it could be disinformation.
	So you see, I don't know that I do know it.
	I only have a rumor.
	That's point one.
	Point two, Whitley Strieber thought he might have the name of the astronomer.
	And when he spoke with Whitley, Excuse me, with Professor Brown.
	Professor Brown did not deny that was the name, nor did he affirm that was the name.
	And I certainly don't know the name of the astronomer.
	So, with respect to the University, I don't know that it's the right one.
	With respect to the astronomer's name, I never did, and still don't know it.
	So, there you have it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello there.
	Yeah, I'm calling from Indiana.
	Yes.
	I recently moved back here and things have changed drastically here.
	I don't know whether or not it's something that's public or not, but the police force here has pretty much tripled in the last two to three years.
	Yes.
	And there's a newspaper, the Journal Gazette here, that ran an ad, or a report, something like that, a couple years back about some new equipment that we got.
	We got a tank.
	You got a tank?
	A tank.
	Tank.
	Why, why would you, why would they need a tank?
	That's what I'm wondering.
	They're in Indiana.
	It's not like a normal military style tank, more like a all-terrain type vehicle for Well, maybe they're anticipating an assault on Indiana.
	Or your little town.
	Who knows?
	No, this is Fort Wayne.
	Fort Wayne, Indiana?
	Yeah, it's a military community.
	I see.
	It was founded by the military.
	We've got basically government factories here.
	Well, what do you think they will do with this drink?
	Well, I really don't know.
	The people that I know in National Guard keep saying something about troop mobilization and that more information being pumped out about that.
	What do you mean?
	I don't understand exactly what they're saying.
	Well, I don't either.
	When and if you do, be sure and give us a call.
	I couldn't quite discern there whether he meant the police.
	I thought he meant the police got the tank.
	I'm a faithful viewer of Hill Street Blues, and I remember one episode where they got a tank too.
	Captain Thurlow was not wild about it.
	That's a funny episode.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art, this is Dana in Tennessee.
	Hello, Dana.
	Hey, um, Thursday when you talked to Dr. Hynot from the University of Hawaii.
	Yes.
	I'm assuming you had spoken to him earlier in the day when you were talking about this photo of us.
	Um, I was wondering, you didn't say anything on the air about it, but I was wondering if you had asked him if when they image Hale-Bopp now that it's back in view again, if they were going to maybe, if you had asked them if they would send you a picture?
	Well, there's no... ...of themselves.
	They won't have to.
	It'll all be posted.
	Hale-Bopp is now coming farther and farther above the horizon every day.
	There will soon, within a week I would say, be new major photographs taken by A major university telescopes.
	Yeah, I just didn't know if you had asked if I could send one to you.
	I can get one on the internet and post it, no problem.
	Yeah, well that was just amazing.
	Also, I know I had to send it by snail mail because I don't have a computer, but I sent you a picture of one of my cats a couple of weeks ago.
	I don't know how far behind you are in your snail mail stuff, but I don't know if you might have gotten it.
	He was using the bathroom on the toilet.
	Really?
	I've heard that cats have been trained to do that.
	She wasn't trained.
	I sent a letter with it.
	She did this on her own.
	I never trained.
	I wish I could train the rest of them.
	I've got 12.
	I'd pay a fortune in cat litter.
	Must have been observation then.
	Yeah, but I had just sent you the picture.
	I may need to give you a giggle.
	I don't know if you've got it.
	No, I don't have it yet, but I will giggle and I may post it when I get it.
	I'm not worried about posting it.
	I sent it mainly just to give you a laugh because it was just The fact she learned it on her own at the age of four months, she still does it.
	Alright, I'll look for it.
	Yes, it should be there.
	It's been a couple of weeks since I mailed it, so it's in the pile somewhere.
	Alright, I thank you.
	And pile it is.
	Boy, I tell you, we're doing our best.
	That's a big problem for me.
	The amount of mail and email and faxes and so forth.
	You know, it's getting a little out of hand.
	Dear Art, you're not honest.
	You are holier than thou.
	Well, listen.
	That's true, I do.
	You have set parts and letters all the time from unknown sources of very dubious value
	and then post them on your website willy-nilly.
	If the government called and demanded you name your sources, would you give it to them,
	regardless of the authenticity?
	I think not.
	Well listen, that's true, I do.
	But when specific scientific claims are made regarding the authenticity of something, and
	then it is proven not to be authentic, then there is no choice but to do what we did.
	There is simply no choice.
	And if you're concerned about credibility, mine or anybody else's, be concerned about how credible it would be if we didn't tell you the truth.
	All right?
	And if something put up on my website, no matter how whimsical, and we do put a lot of whimsical stuff up there, is proven to be incorrect, We say so.
	Or let you judge it for yourself.
	Or we say in the first place, this is not an authenticated anything.
	It's simply really interesting.
	Take a look and see what you think.
	Regarding the photograph put up there, there were very, very specific claims made about it.
	A very different situation.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Oh, too late.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	This is David from Phoenix.
	Hi.
	I've called before, talked about an anti-gravity device I was working on.
	Yes.
	Still not done yet, but I did call mainly to talk about the Courtney Brown thing.
	Okay.
	My question is, if Courtney Brown has predictable, reliable remote viewing, why doesn't he take the bogus photograph?
	Could you use it to remote view the person who basically made the photograph?
	It's a very good idea.
	I mean, it seems like the logical solution to me.
	It's a very good idea.
	You know, I'll leave it at that.
	I mean, that would certainly prove the authenticity of remote viewing.
	If he remote viewed it, and he saw some technician perpetrating the fraud, And identified who it was, and made that public, and then that was proven, that would certainly authenticate remote viewing, no doubt about it.
	It seems like a logical way to go.
	Good suggestion.
	That's about all I have.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you.
	As good an idea as any.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	How you doing?
	This is Dave from Trinity.
	Hi, Dave.
	Um, I had a couple, uh, things to say about the Courtney Brown and, uh, and your debate.
	Alright, get a little closer to your phone.
	Okay, is that better?
	Yes.
	Okay, um, I wanted to commend you for keeping to your, uh, your, uh, what you said that you would, you would, uh, display what, what would happen over the air, or, you know, the picture and such.
	That's right.
	But I also commend Courtney Brown because he said from the beginning that he wasn't going to release that name of a person.
	Which people are questioning his trust.
	Well, what he did say was that he thought within a week or so that that person would come out and hold a news conference.
	That's what he said.
	Right.
	But people are calling out questioning his trust, which is he just believed that he wasn't going to name that person.
	If I was that astronomer, I mean, I would commend him for not saying my name.
	And I think that shows his trust.
	OK, but OK, but one problem.
	He says that he has photographic evidence.
	Right, and I agree with you.
	I think that should be... I don't think he should release the astronomer's name because... Alright, but he doesn't have to.
	Right, I really do think also he should forfeit that material to an expert to have it analyzed.
	Well, he is now saying he will not do that.
	I also had a comment about the inauguration party.
	Yes.
	For Clinton.
	Oh, yes.
	$42 million for a party.
	We have homeless people.
	He should be ashamed of himself.
	I think President Clinton, you should have him on your station.
	I've tried to get him on.
	Who?
	President Clinton.
	President Clinton.
	No, you know, I never have tried.
	I suppose I could.
	Yeah.
	Is that what you would ask him?
	I would tell him he should be ashamed of himself.
	What do you suppose the President would say to that?
	Well, we tried to keep the costs down.
	on it. It's ridiculous. That's what's been thrown into the question.
	Alright, thank you very much. I wonder how we... what do you suppose the President would
	say to that? Well, we tried to keep the costs down. Now it is valid that we have an inauguration,
	and that the public portion of that, not all the parties, but the public portion of that...
	The, I suppose, from the public coffers.
	But you would try to keep the cost down as best you could.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes, hi.
	I can barely hear you.
	How are you?
	I'm okay.
	That's better.
	Where are you?
	We love you.
	We're in Hollywood, California.
	Hollywood.
	If she could.
	Well, I called to tell you that on the morning of the 9th of January, About 5.45 in the morning, I looked out of my window and there was Hale-Bopp.
	Really?
	Big as day!
	I was so shocked!
	I couldn't believe my eyes!
	I thought it was a satellite ark.
	And I couldn't wait until the observatory opened.
	I called to ask what satellite, you know?
	And they said, hey, it's Hale-Bopp.
	Really?
	And I said, my God, it's huge!
	How is it going to miss us?
	Well, by about 123 million miles.
	Oh, but it's shockingly huge.
	Well, you know, I don't know why then I can't see it.
	You can't see it?
	Not yet.
	You know, I've been looking every morning.
	Well, to the east.
	You see, I've got to look to the east.
	Yes.
	And I've got mountains to the east.
	So until it gets a certain percentage, Above that mountain range, or high enough in the sky, I don't think I'll see it.
	Right.
	Well, this is the only morning I've seen it, and it was a totally clear, just crisply clear morning.
	Wow.
	And every morning since, I haven't been able to see it.
	I called you that night to tell you, but you were out sick.
	Aww.
	I'm sorry.
	Are you better?
	Oh, yes.
	And your wife?
	Uh, fine.
	Oh, that's great.
	Well, love your show, and we're still listening over here.
	Thank you, dear.
	Thank you.
	Hollywood.
	I didn't think it was that clear yet, nor that close to be that shockingly bright, but do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
	Well, no, Jean, you're not allowed to use your last name on the air, dear.
	I had to bleep that out.
	So let's begin again.
	You're Jean in Houston.
	Yes, and I listen to KPRK-TV.
	Yes, ma'am.
	I listen to Keytoon right here.
	Yes.
	Radio, and they gave a stargazing report this week.
	Yes.
	And they said that you can now see the comet with the binoculars at first light in the morning.
	Right.
	And they said that following it was a new uncharted star.
	They did.
	And they called it Hellbox Companion.
	They did?
	Sometimes known as Hellbox Companion.
	Huh.
	And I thought maybe this would be of interest to you.
	Well now, who observed it?
	Uh, this report was given by the lady that gives the stargazing report on KTRH Radio from the Houston Natural Science Museum.
	Well, that's a new one on me, but that's very interesting, and maybe somebody else will confirm what you said.
	Well, they said, new uncharted star, and it's a real brilliant color.
	All right.
	Stars, now, generally don't follow comets.
	They don't have trajectories like comets, but that is an interesting report.
	Starlight, maybe.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Yes, hi, Art.
	I love your show.
	You keep me up way too late at night, but I do enjoy the program.
	Thank you.
	I've listened to you talking about remote viewing for the last few weeks, but I must have missed something and I have a question for you.
	To the best of your knowledge, is remote viewing, does it happen in detail and in real time so that if I was Yes, I believe so.
	It is claimed to be that detailed, yes.
	a friend of mine on the East Coast having breakfast at 730 their time, I could see exactly
	what they were having for breakfast and hear the discussion going on.
	Is it that detailed?
	Um, yes, I believe so.
	It is claimed to be that detailed, yes.
	And anybody is supposed to be able to learn how to do this?
	That's what they say.
	Okay, well, that was my question.
	I was just interested to see how detailed this remote viewing was.
	It almost sounds like actual projection.
	Almost.
	I'm sorry, where did you say you are?
	Oh, my name is John.
	I'm in Chico, California.
	Chico, California.
	Well, we're in the same time zone.
	Yeah.
	Later on this morning, why don't you give it a shot and see if you can see what I have for breakfast.
	There you go.
	Alright, thank you.
	Thank you.
	See you later.
	Anybody else who wants to do that is welcome to give it a try, too.
	I give out no details regarding my breakfasts.
	Anybody who can nail it is probably a pretty good remote viewer.
	I have particularly unusual eating habits, you see, since my sleeping habits are very unusual.
	So this would be a tough assignment.
	I'm Art Bell and this is the American CBC Radio Network.
	Music Okay, back to it we go.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	Just fine.
	What's been up to, Art?
	Well, I've been doing the radio program, sir.
	How about you?
	Well, I've been listening to you for a million years, it seems like, and this is absolutely fantastic to get hold of you.
	This is Stan in Eagle Point, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	What really interests me is your conversations that you've been having about time and your fascination with time.
	I've been a jeweler and a watchmaker for 25 years.
	Wow.
	And it just amazes me that in this country we built the most beautiful pocket watches that were ever built and that industry is gone.
	And so it's really fun to listen to you talk about your fascination with time.
	I don't know why.
	Since I've been able to consider it and think about it, I've always been fascinated by it.
	Have you seen some of the new products they have on the market that are controlled by the WWV in Boulder, Colorado?
	I've got one in front of me.
	It's called the Time Machine.
	Now is that the one built by Junkins?
	This is built by Oregon Scientific.
	Yeah, that's a couple here, I think, that put that out.
	That's just really fascinating, that stuff.
	Well, there you are.
	You asked, you received.
	I have one right in front of me, and I love it.
	Now, I understand you've got about 50 clocks down there.
	I have clocks coming out of my ears.
	It's fun, isn't it?
	It's just amazing to sit there and look at these things and how they can keep track of time.
	And it's a mechanical invention that man came up with.
	Well, I have, actually, now that you've raised it, thank you, a question for the entire audience.
	Of my mighty collection o'clocks, I have a number of them that are operated by, you know, like AA batteries, or, you know, they're operated by batteries.
	And every now and then, I have a failure In the sense that it will lose up to half an hour.
	All of a sudden, it will stop working.
	Now the only reason that I'm mentioning this to you is because all the clocks that are operated by batteries are affected in exactly the same way in my home.
	It is a real oddity.
	It is as though... I mean, how can that be?
	These are independent power sources.
	Unless it's some sort of radiation, that's what I thought about.
	You know, I'm a ham operator, and maybe some sort of radiation is affecting the electronic mechanism.
	That's possible.
	But it's happened on days when I have not been transmitting on shortwave or anything else.
	And so I wonder if anybody out there has had a similar difficulty.
	Battery-operated clocks suddenly failing for Similar periods of time at exactly the same time.
	Just a question.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Jeff in Tri-City, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	Hey, I'm a truck driver.
	I was out heading east in, I think, just east of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
	Okay.
	And it was just at sunup.
	Right.
	And you could see, I figured it was a hail bop right away.
	You could see it was a streak.
	A little elongated and it had a brighter point at the left side and that was a ways away from the sun.
	The sun hadn't quite come up over the hill yet.
	Well, that could be hell, Bob.
	Well, just to the right of that, there was another bright spot and I'm not sure if that was the planet.
	I'm like you, I just got a telescope and I haven't got a chance to use it and it's raining right now.
	That's my problem.
	It's been pretty bad weather down there.
	If you think washing your car brings on rainstorms, buying a telescope brings on something that NOAA would begin building for.
	Yeah, especially up here.
	We seem to be having our fair share of it.
	That slide that came down here in Oregon during that last rainstorm around the first of the year, it missed my house by two blocks.
	Oh my.
	So my neighbors have been digging out for a while.
	Sorry to hear that.
	I've had a track go up there and big and big ditches.
	It's nasty and it's raining pretty good now.
	The river just came right up.
	Yeah, it's been, thank you very much, a very rough year weather-wise.
	It is going to be worse.
	This is not a long-term prediction, nor is it something gleaned through some great remote viewing or psychic ability, because I have none of the above.
	I just think That the weather is going to continue to worsen.
	That is to say, to become more severe.
	The hurricane seasons, worse.
	More tornadoes.
	In North America, we're particularly prone.
	More incredible amounts of rain.
	More snow.
	Colder than it ought to be.
	Hotter than it ought to be.
	Extremes.
	That's what I see coming.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	KQMS, right in California.
	Well, well, well.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Hey, you know on the NBC News how they have that segment called, Fixing America?
	Uh... Fixing America?
	Fixing.
	Oh, Fixing America.
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, you know what?
	Every time I see that, it really grapes on my nerves.
	Because they're making the assumption that something is wrong with us.
	There is nothing wrong with us.
	Aren't you, like, on the air making money right now?
	Oh, yes.
	Aren't there families out there raising children, getting up every day with their son?
	Yes.
	Doing their job?
	Yes.
	Isn't our government still running?
	It's still running.
	And they just assume that something's wrong with us, that we need to be fixed.
	And I think they give America a poor self-image.
	Well, maybe.
	I want them to call it balancing America.
	Well, why don't you send that off to them?
	That's what I call you for.
	Well, maybe they're listening.
	You know they're listening.
	Chicken.
	What?
	Chicken.
	Chicken what?
	Chicken breakfast.
	No.
	Never.
	You already know what she's making?
	No.
	I have no idea.
	That's why it's such a good test.
	Well, is she awake?
	We're not changing her mind just because I said that.
	Not at the moment, no.
	Okay.
	Are you going to make her breakfast?
	Now, if I have chicken in the morning, I will be really surprised.
	Really?
	Okay.
	Okay?
	It was just my best technique.
	Well, it's your shot.
	I mean, that's fine.
	Well, I know you love barbecue chicken.
	Okay.
	So, that's what I said.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	One more thing.
	What?
	I'm not going to send you any more mail.
	Why is that?
	Well, because you have such a problem with mail.
	You are right.
	But you know why I don't, I send mail and I don't send anything else?
	Why?
	Because nobody can fake my mail.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes, they could.
	They could write a letter and sign it now, and how would I know?
	Well, I put my return address on it, and I also put something in the envelope every time I send it.
	That's true.
	That's right.
	Well, I'll tell you, though, thank you.
	Anybody can fake anything, really, these days.
	I mean, computer technology is allowed, I'm afraid, just about anything to be... I mean, my gosh, even copy machines these days.
	Can turn out, unfortunately, credible copies of U.S.
	currency.
	It's a real problem.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Wyatt from Portland, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	And I just wanted to tell you, first of all, on the glue thing, acetone actually takes super glue off.
	Well, I know it does, but it's still a pain in the butt.
	I agree.
	And why is it?
	That you can't superglue something without, and I've got even the newest dispensers where you push a little thing and it puts a little blob on there, but I still end up with it on myself.
	I know, you would think after all the years of inventing something like superglue, they would have a way of making it easy to use.
	I agree, but there's even superglued gel and that's a little better.
	It doesn't matter, I get it on me no matter what.
	Well there's a thing for all the inventors out there right now.
	Let's come up with a tube that can actually make this stuff come out right.
	Well, I guess the original stuff was really bad because it was just like, you know, water, liquid, and it flowed that easily, and of course, it hardened immediately.
	So, you're doomed!
	All right, sir, thank you very much for the call.
	I've tried, and I love super glue.
	I mean, I use it for a variety of things.
	Super glue is wonderful.
	Except, it is not possible to use it Yes, I was calling.
	yourself. Then you're sitting there going, uh-huh, pulling it off, uh-huh. Acetone, sure,
	but then it's pretty rough on your skin. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hi.
	Hello, Art. How are you today?
	All right.
	Or this morning?
	Reasonably well, sir.
	Yes, I was calling. I sent a fax a little bit earlier this morning to you concerning
	some craters that I found in the woods about four months ago.
	Craters?
	Yes.
	Very strange.
	My wife and I actually found them.
	We thought they were sinkholes at first.
	We got to looking around the area a little bit.
	The trees were burnt.
	So you're thinking meteorites?
	That's what we thought at first.
	I called several meteorite dealers to see if they would be interested in having me send them a sample.
	You're saying you found something at the bottom of the craters?
	We did find some heavy rock-like objects.
	They were kind of a little iron composite.
	We sent them to a university and had them tested.
	Yes.
	They didn't find any nickel in them.
	All the people that we talked to said, well, they're not meteorites.
	I got a hold of a professor in the Northeast.
	He came down and looked at the site.
	He said that they weren't sinkholes and he didn't really think that they were meteorite craters because of, I don't know, the way they were dispersed and other things.
	The trees were actually weighed over, arched over the holes.
	Some of them were just burnt to a crisp.
	Some of them were blown out of the ground and burned up on the inside, too.
	What do you think?
	Well, I'm not sure.
	It's in an old Indian site, like a prehistoric area.
	After we found that area, I found out that this was found in Missouri in some pretty deep woods.
	After this occurred, a number of very strange things started to happen.
	I started hearing about excavation sites in the northern part of Missouri, around Cahoka.
	What do you want to do about all this?
	Well, I would like to know if there's anybody else that has found anything like this.
	I know that there have been.
	I started listening to your show.
	A couple of months ago, and thought I would see if there was anybody else that had found any types of strange impact craters or any kind of tree.
	We even found trees that were twisted in half and burn marks up in the tops of the trees.
	All right, well, we will now ask.
	You have asked, so we'll find out.
	Maybe they were pods.
	And maybe one of those pods has already disgorged its ugly soft center, and you, sir, are carrying it.
	Maybe you're normally a very gregarious kind of guy.
	But we're hearing the new pod, you.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air, huh?
	Hey, Art, how's it going?
	It's going.
	Hey, what have you guys been talking about tonight?
	I had your station cut off.
	You did?
	How did you get them to cut off?
	No, I had somebody else cut it off on me and they won't let me listen.
	Why won't they?
	They say I'm too addicted to your show.
	Really?
	Yeah, I think it's a joke.
	Who did that?
	My sister.
	Your sister?
	Yeah.
	You would let your sister cut off your radio and wouldn't let you listen?
	Actually, it's her.
	It's her, right, well.
	Yeah.
	See, there you go.
	But, uh, so what are you guys talking about tonight?
	Still talking about Courtney Brown?
	Um, if you wish.
	Well, I wouldn't mind talking about that Trojan swarm of asteroids you brought up last week or so ago.
	Uh, the ones the scientists have detected, yes.
	Okay, what about them?
	Do you have any more information on them, and are they still headed towards the sun?
	As far as I know, yes.
	Because I think that might just take over the media hype, well, that the remote viewers were attempting to expose.
	Just the asteroids in general that are out there.
	Well, there's going to be, thank you for the call, a, gee, now you can't hear me, can you?
	A program called Asteroid on NBC in February.
	Have you seen the trailers?
	The promos for it?
	The sky is falling.
	Asteroid in February.
	And they're beginning to show some of the scenes from it.
	Pretty cool.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Well, then you think remote viewing is a fraud?
	personally uh... on carry in san antonio yes sir
	Yes.
	i personally think that courtney is a is a fraud uh... in the remote viewing is a is a yank of a chain
	to tell you the truth well then you think remote viewing is a fraud
	i disagree he
	said he wrote by his people remotely review remotely viewed this thing out
	Okay, I'm not specifically defending Courtney Brown's remote viewing.
	I'm saying that I think remote viewing itself, that there is something valid, something to it.
	Okay.
	Have you ever attempted it yourself?
	Never.
	It requires going through quite a course and there's a specific discipline.
	It's not just like sitting down and Hi there.
	I just wanted to say I love this new program a lot.
	Okay, well I appreciate it.
	Thank you and take care.
	First time caller, Lion, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Ben going to Grand Cache in Alberta, Canada.
	Hi there.
	Hi.
	A couple months, I guess it was six or seven months ago before you went on your trip, your
	boat cruise, in Parkland County, Florida, there was an attack on a car.
	That's right.
	It was a Lexus.
	Yes.
	Did you hear anything else about that?
	No.
	The attack occurred.
	They had a photograph in the newspaper of the scratch marks on the Lexus.
	So it really did occur, but no follow-up.
	Oh, okay.
	That's what I wanted to know.
	Okay.
	Thanks a lot.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	You're welcome.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Craig in Hickory, Kentucky.
	Hi, Craig.
	I think that Courtney Brown has an obligation to come forth with the name of the astronomer, because if he does not, I think a lot of people are going to agree with me there never was an astronomer to begin with that supposedly took these pictures.
	That is going to be one major conclusion of a lot of people.
	And I believe there is something to remote viewing, probably, but the techniques practiced by Corny Brown, according to Major Dames, are not the proper ones, and probably he would be a better person to talk to about the subject.
	Well, on the 30th of this month, we're going to be doing that.
	Major Dames is my guest, already scheduled for the 30th.
	I see.
	I'll look forward to that program, Art.
	I'm sure many will.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I'm sure there are going to be a lot of people That is going to be very, very interesting.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Andrew here from San Francisco.
	I beg you to tell me, what is the music you play every day at the beginning of the show?
	It's called Midnight Express.
	It is from a movie of the same name.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	You're welcome.
	That was easy.
	Easy, easy.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	No, you're not.
	First Time Caller Line, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art?
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Marie in St.
	Paul.
	Yes.
	I'm wondering if anybody has called in with information about the earthquake that occurred in China this evening.
	What magnitude?
	I believe it was 6.6.
	I heard it on the Australian shortwave service.
	I don't have that yet, but I'm sure I will get it.
	6.6, do you know in what part of China?
	It was in the west central region.
	I don't remember the name of the province.
	West Central.
	That would probably be a fairly unpopulated area.
	I don't know.
	Not familiar.
	All right.
	We'll look into it.
	Okay.
	The way they build in China with bamboo and so forth.
	Pretty flimsy structures.
	A high magnitude quake has big consequences.
	And that might be big enough to have consequences.
	So, we'll check into it.
	From the high desert, this is CBZ.
	This is CBZ.
	you 1-800-618-8255.
	Call Art Bell toll free. West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
	1-800-618-8255. East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
	1-800-825-5033.
	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	5033. This is the CBC Radio Network.
	It is that or internationally you get hold of the AT&T operator, there we go,
	and have her call 800-893-0903. That's 800-893-0903.
	If it comes through AT&T, it is toll-free.
	And on that line, you are on the air.
	Good morning.
	Where are you calling from?
	Hi, Art.
	I'm calling from Okinawa in Japan.
	Okinawa in Japan.
	Cool.
	Welcome to the show.
	I spent a lot of time, a lot of time on Okinawa.
	And I guess it has changed a lot.
	Where are you on the island?
	Yeah, I'm on Kadena Air Force Base.
	Oh, that's where I was!
	Was you in the airport?
	I was.
	I was a medic there, and I remember Kadena and Gate 2 very well.
	Yeah, they kind of tamed it down, but it's still kind of a gutted vegetation, outside Gate 2.
	I'll have to tell all the audience about that someday.
	But yeah, your 800 number really does work.
	I wasn't sure.
	I was sitting here listening on my computer with the internet and thought I'd give you a call to see if it worked.
	Hey, while I've got you, I heard there was a pretty substantial earthquake about 150 or 200 miles from Okinawa the other day.
	Did you guys feel that?
	No, uh-uh.
	I haven't felt an earthquake for, I don't know, several months.
	Oh, very good.
	You're in the military there?
	Yes, uh-huh.
	What kind of job do you do in the military?
	I'm a supply person.
	I sit behind a desk and go outside every now and then.
	How long have you been there?
	I've been here since 1990.
	Before I came here, I was in mainland Japan in Misawa for six years.
	I've been over here for a long, long time in Japan.
	How do you feel about coming back?
	I spent ten years over there.
	And it got to the point for me where if I had not come back to the States, I never would come back.
	I knew I never would come back.
	It really was that close.
	I was beginning to go native.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's really easy to over here.
	It's really a different lifestyle.
	It's kind of maybe a lifestyle you think about 20, 30 years ago in the States.
	That's right.
	I joined the military to get away from the Reagan years.
	I kind of self-exiled and I've just been overseas since 1985.
	And I don't really want to come back right now, but that time I suppose.
	I've got two kids.
	I'm a single parent and all I see is on the news about the crime and the drugs and everything.
	I'm kind of concerned about that there.
	Here it's real safe.
	Kids can go out pretty much.
	Well, there have been a lot of changes and you're in the situation I'm in.
	If you don't come back pretty soon, You probably won't come back at all.
	Right.
	I'm trying to get married to one of the locals out here in June.
	I see.
	Well, congratulations.
	I wish you well.
	Thank you.
	And when you leave Okinawa, you will miss it like crazy for a while.
	Believe me.
	I think I will.
	My fiancée, she wants to go to Europe, so we'll see what Europe is all about.
	I'd like to make a comment.
	I'm very glad that a show like yours is around.
	I'm getting so sick of the Rush Limbaugh crowd on the talk radio.
	It makes me sick.
	Well, we're just doing something a little different, that's all.
	I take it you've got us on the Internet over there?
	Yeah, right now it's 7 o'clock in the evening on Tuesday, so when I get off work I usually The past couple of weeks I've been trying to tune in to you because you seem to come in pretty good on the internet.
	Some of the other stations don't.
	Alright, well, we're happy to hear it.
	We thank the AudioNet people in Dallas.
	Thank you very much.
	You bet.
	And hey, don't forget, the United States is still the best country in the world, even though I may not like policies and some of the living conditions there.
	As far as freedom, it is a very free place, I think.
	You better believe it.
	Thank you very much.
	You better believe it.
	You do a little traveling and you find that out.
	The years I spent in the Orient were very strange years indeed.
	First in the Air Force, then as a civilian.
	And you really do reach a kind of a breaking point.
	And I thought this over very, very carefully.
	And I knew that if I didn't come back pretty soon, despite the reacclimation problems I was going to have, that I would never come back.
	It was that close.
	You know, I was beginning to use the term going native.
	Well, you do.
	And you get so used to the way things are there.
	When I first came back to the United States, I wanted to leave.
	I wanted to leave.
	I missed Okinawa.
	It was home.
	I said, boy, I did a dumb thing.
	I never should have left.
	And it took a while.
	And I was right.
	You know, if I had stayed there very much longer, I would have completely gone native, and that would have been that.
	I'd still be there right now.
	That was kind of nice to hear from Okinawa.
	All right.
	Back to it we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	I'm Don from Rushmore.
	How are you doing?
	Just fine.
	All right.
	I've got a couple things here.
	First thing, do you remember I'm the guy that sent you the photos of Spaceship Iowa?
	Oh, yes, of course.
	Well, first thing I was wondering, did you ever get a hold of O. Al?
	Oh, yes I did.
	And, uh, how'd you know?
	I kind of did a pre-interview with him.
	And, um, I determined that I'd better sit back and think about it a little bit.
	That's kind of what I was afraid of.
	I guess he talked your head off, among other things.
	Um, well, he, um, let's see, how can I put this?
	Uh, he, he had a, uh, He had other things he would rather talk about.
	This is true.
	It doesn't matter, though.
	As they say, a picture is a thousand words, and that photograph of Spaceship Dal will go down forever and ever as one of the great classics in my mind.
	Did he tell you that he worked for a Boeing aircraft?
	No.
	He didn't?
	No, he didn't.
	Well, it's one thing I forgot to tell you, but he told me that he worked for Boeing years ago.
	Among his other million things he wanted to talk about.
	A couple more things I wanted to talk to you about is, let's see here, about the time traveler.
	Oh yes.
	You know, it's kind of a shame that people base their opinions on somebody who's just not a good public speaker.
	I know, but that's what they do.
	You can't stop the way people are.
	If somebody is not a polished speaker, they form an opinion.
	It's just the way it is.
	However, I predicted after that show that I would get more mail and email about it than anything I had done in a long time, and that is exactly what occurred.
	It's still coming in.
	I mean, people are as fascinated, interested, delighted, or angered by it as they can be, and so that made it a good show.
	It was a good show, and if I find somebody else with another time machine, I will interview them.
	Good deal.
	I appreciate you doing it.
	And as far as Space Cheval is concerned, I haven't given up on it.
	What I said was that I thought at the time, I better think about this.
	Yeah, definitely.
	One more thing.
	I've been on the internet for a while, but for the life of me, I don't know what this is.
	I've got a small business that I'm fixing to put on the internet for advertising on my own web page.
	Yes, sir.
	And I've got a bunch of people that Well, the people, the news group that I'm in doesn't call it this, but there's some people that call it SPAM, S-P-A-M.
	Yes.
	And a lot of people, I don't know what that means.
	Um... It's apparently not good.
	Uh, no, it's not good.
	It's, uh, it's just a, it's another way of saying a bunch of baloney.
	Oh, okay.
	Alright.
	Alright, um, well, I guess that's about it, but, uh, sure, appreciate the time, and I look forward to the interview with that thing.
	Alright, take care.
	Uh, yes, on the 30th at Dooms.
	He's got a major announcement to make.
	We'll see what it is.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art?
	Yes.
	Um, oh wow, I'm so tired, I'm not sure where, um, Larry Mott's is on the internet with The Haunting?
	Yes, on, uh, Dreamland.
	Yeah, and, um, I just heard it last night, I didn't realize it was a repeat until today, but... It was not a repeat, I did that yesterday.
	Yeah, but I heard it at 11 o'clock because the station I hear had a basketball game on.
	Oh, I see.
	Well, some stations, you know, when they have sports on, they delay it just long enough so you can hear it.
	Yeah.
	But I was really interested, and I'm wondering if you're going to have them on again anytime soon?
	Well, considering I just had them on yesterday... Yeah, but... I know.
	I mean, I'll have them on again, but, you know, let's let a little time pass.
	Oh, yeah.
	I have a, well I'm wondering do they charge to come out and check out a house?
	I guess you would have to ask, that's one question we did not ask.
	Because I used to live in this house and I'm still living in the same town and it just has a really interesting background to it and it still bothers me even though I don't live there anymore.
	Is it haunted?
	Well, I think so.
	It's hard to tell people that because they think you're crazy.
	Unless they've seen it.
	But all the things that happened there had witnesses.
	And different witnesses.
	Is it going on now?
	I don't know.
	I know the people that live there, but I don't know.
	I don't ever talk to them.
	Well, maybe you should ask them.
	I doubt they would be interested in investigating something that is not going on now.
	Well, yeah, but this has been going on for years.
	They left the house out.
	What I'm saying is, for them to actively investigate something, or for it to be worth their while, they would have to know what would still be going on now.
	Yeah.
	Otherwise, you couldn't investigate.
	Well, I understand that.
	I think even they could go just outside the house and see if there's any kind of strange
	forces or any kind of activity because the yard beside it used to be an old hanging tree.
	There's three trees in the yard and one of them used to be the hanging tree back in the
	1800s.
	Yes.
	And because next door to the house was the old courthouse and jail.
	So you think maybe it's haunted, I've got you by some of the people that were hung there.
	Hanged there.
	That could be.
	But again, in order to investigate something it's got to be ongoing.
	And I would imagine that would be enough to spark their interest.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, I was talking about the guy who talked about the holes in Missouri.
	Yes, and he was asking if anybody else, you know, he talked about the trees and all the rest of it.
	Yeah, I can't explain the trees, but back in the mid That's an interesting explanation, except for the trees.
	These people used to dig holes in the ground looking for gold and then pile the dirt up
	around the hole.
	If there's dirt piled up around the hole, it's probably an old gold mine.
	Not a mine, but that's just like a place for gold.
	That's an interesting explanation except for the trees.
	Yeah, that's why I was like, the trees.
	I appreciate your submission, sir, but it does not explain the scorched, even broken
	and twisted trees as though something came slamming down into the earth.
	Wells to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Art.
	I'm the only one here, sir.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Jerry.
	I've been listening to you from Phoenix for about four years now, and boy, you've really grown in a number of stations.
	I'm impressed.
	Yes, it's big.
	I was calling, well, first of all, spamming.
	One caller asked what that was, and that's when a person was sent to a lot of news groups all at once.
	Yeah, but it's generally BS.
	Yeah, right.
	It really is.
	But anyways, in reference to Hale-Bopp and the companion and so forth, and Courtney, this is a time-sensitive issue.
	I think if we just wait a little bit, we'll see what's happening with Hale-Bopp, and we can sort of hold out and see a little bit what happens with With Courtney and not have to make judgments right now.
	We can wait a little bit.
	Although we, you know, I guess human nature makes us want to just rush out there and get answers right now.
	I know I'd like to have answers today.
	But I'd sort of like him to make up his mind.
	Let us know within a reasonable amount of time.
	Well, I think he has.
	Yeah, that may be.
	But anyways, I just really enjoy your show and I just want to say I'm listening to you every night down here in Phoenix.
	Thank you, my friend.
	You too.
	All I can do is try and tell you the truth.
	Follow the truth.
	Some people think that they interpreted my pressing Courtney the other night as some sort of inquisition.
	I did not intend it that way at all.
	In fact, I understood fully what Courtney was doing to himself.
	And if I pressed it was because I was trying to get him to mitigate the damage that I knew was being done.
	Here's another fax.
	Art, just a word.
	Read Courtney Brown.
	I remember clearly and precisely the understanding you had with him as per the release of the astronomer's photos.
	Initially, he, the astronomer, was to have come forward within one week of the original announcement of his existence and findings by Courtney Brown.
	You indicated then, at the onset, you would wait for that week, and then if he, the astronomer, was not forthcoming, you would release the photos.
	This would, in effect, identify the planetarium, the associated university, and thus the man's identity.
	That week expired long, long ago while I was talked into waiting.
	People should remember that you hung yourself out there all this time in considerate insensitivity to both Corky Brown and the astronomer.
	You not only kept your word to them both, but you went weeks beyond the duration of your commitment.
	Your credibility is not only intact, but your courage and sensitivity are underscored as well.
	Thank you.
	This problem has nothing to do with comets or remote viewing.
	This is an issue of character, and yours, my friend, has proven to be intact.
	If one could say as much for the astronomer, Courtney Brown, both of them would be resting comfortably tonight, instead of pacing the floor.
	And you can bet they are, waiting for their respective reputations to come crashing down.
	Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on truth and your word.
	Both are alive and doing well.
	And that's the whole point.
	That's the message that's loud and clear.
	Daryl and Rancho Mirage.
	Thank you.
	I hope that is correct and I believe it to be.
	I told you the truth about this from the get-go to the get-end, whatever the end is.
	If there can be a get-go, there should be a get-in, right?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, RFL.
	Hello.
	I sent you something about the alien autopsy a little while ago.
	Yes.
	Did you get that?
	The email?
	Yeah.
	Yes, I saw it, uh-huh.
	Do you have the alien autopsy tape?
	Yes, I do.
	Later on, you should look at it and see if you see the same thing.
	What is it that you tell the audience what you saw?
	I was looking at it to put it on the computer.
	Yes.
	And when I was looking, like, you know those things are supposed to be meant for documentation only, yeah?
	Yeah.
	So they wouldn't really, like, edit it, right?
	Well, it was edited by the people who presented it for commercial presentation.
	Well, this part didn't seem like it was edited for commercial presentation.
	Oh, what is the flaw you found?
	Well, um, it's towards the end part.
	One of the people is holding something in the right hand.
	Yes.
	And, almost like in a split second, it's all of a sudden left hand.
	Hmm.
	I will check my copy of it.
	Alright, and I sent you, you know how at the bottom it says, like, what the time is?
	Yes.
	Um, on the attached file it says what the time was.
	All right, that'll make it easy.
	Yeah.
	All right?
	Yeah.
	Thank you very much, but you've got to remember there was commercial editing.
	In other words, they prepared that for a commercial broadcast and it was presented in clips, so it was in fact edited for what it's worth.
	The autopsy has never been absolutely proven by anybody or anything to be a fake.
	Yet.
	Nobody knows.
	This is CBC.
	In.
	The old girl.
	The. Art Bell is taking calls on the wild card line at.
	That's 702-727-1295.
	First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Now, here again, Art Bell.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Art.
	callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222. 702-727-1222.
	Now, here again, Art Bell.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good morning, Art.
	Good morning to you.
	Father Molly Cronmark made a statement there as far as what he thought of the
	Big Bang before the Big Bang.
	Do you remember that?
	I don't remember exactly what he said.
	Do you?
	Well, in essence he was saying that God sort of dispersed his being and became the universe.
	Was that Malachi that said that?
	I thought it was somebody else, but that may be.
	No, I think that was somebody else.
	Maybe it was.
	I had another guest on Dreamland who said that God was a lonely entity.
	True.
	And that he, in effect, blew himself up and created all that is.
	That was not Father Martin.
	Okay, well I'm not mistaken on that.
	I know I heard it on your show.
	Yeah, no question.
	Alright, well my premise is quite simply, you know, with what we know of physics today, For every action there's an opposite and equal reaction, do
	you agree?
	Right.
	Alright, and there's a good side and an evil side.
	Now, what I'm going to present here I hope will make some sense.
	I've been thinking about this for about two months now.
	Excuse me.
	And quite simply, where the Earth's solar system is located in the universe,
	You've seen that picture of the universe where you are here?
	We are in the suburbs.
	Exactly.
	And what I was thinking, just for a thought, was quite simply, if God had an evil side, where would he want to send it?
	As far away from his center core as possible, wouldn't he?
	I guess so.
	And banish the evil towards that side?
	Yeah.
	Could it be possible That's a pretty negative point of view.
	the evil and we've been sent out to the hinterlands of the universe to get out of his way like
	expelling a cancer. That's a pretty negative point of view.
	Well no, all right, quite simply man has always had a very high opinion of itself. It has no
	boundaries on its imagination would you agree with that? Yes. All right.
	At the same time, we have created gods upon gods upon gods, going back, you know, from the earth, wind, and fire.
	Sure.
	And everything else to Mount Olympus with Zeus.
	Now, what a farce that was.
	Yes.
	But if we took that time machine that you had on the other night and went back to the ancient Greece, when Zeus was up on Mount Olympus and we told them they were all myths in the 21st century, what would happen to us?
	I don't know.
	I think we'd be shot or stabbed or whatever, torn apart, drawn and quartered.
	Probably.
	Well, this is what I'm saying.
	Or burned, maybe even burned at the stake.
	If we could come back to Earth three or four or five thousand years from now and find out that everything that we've believed up to this point was still absurd, because if it's true that God did use our God, Robert A. Heinlein, Well, actually, in my view, if you could go ahead in time, you'd probably also be burned at the stake.
	Quite simply, we could be, like I said, the actual creation of a very lonely devil.
	Well, actually, in my view, if you could go ahead in time, you'd probably also be burned
	at the stake.
	Because by then you would be challenging all the revisionist history that had taken place
	and you would be virtually a heretic.
	So go forward or backward with present knowledge and they'd burn you or shoot you or whatever
	the modern form of liquidation with prejudice would be.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	Ed in Salt Lake.
	Yes, sir.
	Al, I just wanted to say that I think that you did everything right in regard to Courtney Brown.
	Well, I tried to.
	Yeah.
	You know, I think he owes A lot more responsibility to 10 million listeners and people who buy his books than he does to an astronomer that perpetuated a fraud upon him.
	Well, first of all, we don't know that the astronomer perpetuated the fraud.
	That's trouble.
	We don't know who did it.
	He handed the photo, apparently, to Courtney.
	or to prudence and they had hours and hours and hours of discussions about it all.
	So they had to be fairly satisfied that they had something good in their hands.
	At this point, without being able to follow the trail, and I'm utilizing what resources I have to try and follow
	the trail, the public is going to perceive just about what you're
	saying right now.
	Very damaging.
	One other thing.
	Did you ever read Black Alert at Gonzo Station?
	Oh, yes.
	You're in it!
	Well, I'm one of the technicians.
	I know.
	I'm not quite done yet, but so far, damn, it's a barn burner.
	Yeah, it's a good book.
	Thank you.
	It's very neat to be included in books.
	I knew I was in that book.
	Oh boy.
	I'm beginning to be included in a lot of things these days.
	Then there was Mars attacks.
	Well, you know, why do you think they attacked?
	Anyway, I can take a joke.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is David from Chicago.
	Hi, David.
	I heard you talking a little while ago this morning about Courtney Brown this weekend having told you that you knew only A tiny fraction, one thousandth of the story.
	That's what he said, yes.
	Now, it seems to me that when he was on the radio with you Thursday night, and he acted as though he really didn't know what was going on, he was really covering up.
	He was really lying.
	If he knows a thousand times more than he said, I don't know about lying, but Certainly, uh, not telling us all he knew.
	Because putting himself on a moral pedestal... Because he wouldn't tell me, so, yes, I mean... With his big thing about, oh, I could never reveal my sources.
	Yeah, it is a fair... Awareness from childhood.
	It is a fair conclusion to say he knows more than he has said.
	Period.
	He admitted that to me.
	So, there you go.
	And you don't want to use the word lying, but I say he's a liar.
	Well, I'm sorry to have to say it, but I think he's a liar.
	And I think he's doing it out of fear.
	I think he's been put in a corner in some way and feels very fearful about something.
	Alright, well, that's your opinion.
	Hope he comes clean.
	Oh, okay.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	All I would say is he does not know all he... he has not told all he knows.
	goals.
	Being left the way it is, I don't conclude anything, except that I understand how the public is going to perceive it, and for Courtney it's very damaging.
	Very damaging, and I had a lot of, even though my weekends are very short, there were a lot of hours involved of introspection about everything that occurred.
	I thought it over very hard, believe me.
	And I reviewed my own actions very carefully, too.
	Very carefully.
	I don't like what happened.
	Nobody can like what happened.
	I know of no way to change what occurred.
	I know that if I had never released that photograph, that it would never have been found to have been a fraud.
	That's for sure.
	But once it was released, and I still view that as the absolute proper action, and then once it was released, identified as a fraud, within hours I was on the air with it.
	And I don't know of any other thing that I should have done or could have done.
	I was bound by my word not to release that photograph to anybody until I finally released it publicly.
	So it's not like I could go strolling into it, into some astronomer, or some university, with that photograph.
	That would have certainly broken my word.
	Particularly at the beginning.
	And then by the time two months had gone by, I might as well just release it publicly.
	Which I did.
	Within 24 hours, we knew from whence it came.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Well, good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	This is Skip from Denver.
	Yes, sir.
	And I've got a couple of things.
	First, I've been meaning to tell you the last few times I've talked to you, I have a new sound for you.
	See if you can play your screaming kitty with the voice diffuser.
	Can you do that?
	No.
	Oh, I was thinking maybe if you could get one to work with the other, it would make a great sound.
	The second thing is, in looking at the Vatican Observatory and the history of it, I found the thing on the net that they started that in 1582 to study the scientific data required for the reform of the calendar, which I found very interesting.
	Well, what about the one down in Arizona?
	Well, that's related to it.
	That's just an offshoot.
	One in Rome was too close to the light, you know, in the city, and they wanted better air, and they wanted better viewing.
	I see.
	In order to correct the calendar, is that correct?
	Well, no.
	In 1582... No, no, I'm talking about now.
	Mount Graham was just built.
	Right.
	Now they've just continued their astronomical research.
	For what reason?
	To, as they say, to...
	I think it was to study the spectra of the stars, you know, to classify them.
	That's the job of astronomers.
	Right.
	And that's kind of their background.
	When I checked into a bunch of the people that they've got with them, they're mathematicians, they're physicists, and a lot of them became Jesuits after they had done their work in mathematics and physics.
	I see.
	Well, I suppose, you know, they can do anything they want.
	But with regard to the observatory at Mount Graham, I am not satisfied that I understand the motivation for having that there.
	For the incredible political clout that was required from Rome to get all that done.
	Past the environmental regulations.
	On native land.
	Right past it.
	Got it all done.
	In and operating.
	By the way, I've got some photographs of it.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Mr. Bell.
	Yes, sir.
	I was just wondering, do you feel that you bear much responsibility for allowing the promulgation of that fraud without properly checking it out yourself?
	How would I have done that?
	Well, I mean, I would think that common sense would say that one photo of something taking place, I mean, Astronomer upon astronomer would have taken dozens of
	photos if the thing was getting closer.
	Well, he claims to have those.
	But, relied upon one source for promise there.
	No, I had two sources, Prudence Calabrese and a tenured professor at Emory University.
	But they're both basically one voice, almost they're the same.
	That's fair to say, but it was two people, both of whom claim to have talked to this top ten university astronomer.
	I'm just wondering, do you feel any responsibility for that?
	Or if your story is in the future, your parents...
	No, and if the question is, would I put on a similar claim, for example, based on similar
	evidence, the answer is yes, I would.
	You would, I mean, without...
	I absolutely would.
	The reason I'm bringing this up is when I was listening to some of your listeners over the months and all of that, some of these people really put a lot of hope on this, which is kind of ridiculous.
	It's kind of sad.
	They're putting so much hope on some spaceship, the Rapture Machine and all that's coming down.
	We have all this life on this planet.
	going flying into extinction faster than even the quotation extinction of 65 million years ago and
	people don't really care too much about our species but they're thinking about life on other
	planets and they're uh why do you think that is i think it is because of a long history of
	propaganda but it's a long story that's that's another story but there's just a sad thing well
	to answer your question directly given um the the level of the person who approached me
	a professor tenure at emory which is a gigantic university um prestigious
	um and as much evidence as he did supply which was a photograph um
	Yes, I would put the story on the air again today.
	I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to wait until April 1st and tell you April Fool's.
	I don't think so.
	The answer is no.
	I would hope that. I don't think so. I would just hope that in the future, that before you put paranormal stories on
	and all that, because it seems that there's a lot of people that want to do that.
	The answer is no. Given that much credibility going in, I would put it on the air again.
	And I also, by the way, put on stories with a lot less credibility than that.
	You see, I guess that's demonstrating paranormal and real science.
	It absolutely is.
	I'm not claiming.
	In a lot of cases, for example, I put up pictures of chupacabras.
	I put people on there who claim they have made time machines.
	But what about money, in fact?
	Weren't people gaining financially from this blog?
	Who?
	The Farsight Institute and all of that.
	Well, it was awfully short term, if that was the case, and with the damage done, I would think a lot more is lost than gained, wouldn't you?
	Well, I don't know.
	I have no idea how much money was involved.
	I would just tell people to get a reality check.
	As far as I know, there was no money involved at all.
	I don't know of anybody who made any money.
	Well, that's as far as you know, though.
	Well, can you tell us any differently?
	If you can, go ahead.
	I remember one night listening and someone was saying, I will give you any amount of money if you'll teach me this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	It's a comment someone made.
	We're all filled up and all of this stuff.
	No, no.
	First of all, you've got it wrong.
	That was Major Dames.
	Major Dames is all filled up and has been for a long time.
	It shows you how carefully people listen.
	They don't listen to what's We hear half of something or only hear what they want to hear.
	That was Major Ed Dames.
	And he doesn't take new people into his school.
	Now, did people go and take the Farside course?
	Maybe some did.
	I don't know.
	But if you're looking at the financial gain aspect of it, nah.
	The long-term damage is going to far, far, far exceed whatever short-term gain there might have been for the Institute, I'm sure.
	I don't read it that way.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good evening, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm fine.
	I just wanted to talk about the concept of time, an interesting subject.
	Alright.
	Do you believe in absolute time, or do you believe Einstein's theory of relativity and some of the implications that are involved?
	In other words... I've explained many times what I think about time.
	My own personal view is that it basically is our invention.
	It really is, because it's an illusion in a certain extent to each individual.
	In fact, it's been proven that a clock, two clocks, that are perfectly in sync, if one is above the other in altitude, the one on the bottom will run slower.
	Oh, you've heard about that?
	Well, I've heard of experiments where clocks were put in airplanes and flown at great speeds in opposite directions.
	Not one above the other, so that's new to me.
	So that would mean that someone that lived on the top of a mountain, if they were twins, would age slower than someone that lived at sea level.
	No, I don't know about that.
	No, that's true.
	That's something that physicists believe.
	You should have a physicist on some day.
	Well, in that case, the people in Denver should have A life expectancy is far exceeding those of, say, people at sea level.
	Well, it's a small, small differential for that altitude, but it would have... You're talking about a mile.
	You're talking about one mile of difference.
	Well, true, but I'm talking about... Much higher than that, you couldn't breathe.
	Well, true, but if you were in a spaceship traveling near the speed of light, Ah, that's a twin paradox.
	That's different.
	You really want to try a tough question?
	Want to answer a tough question?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Shoot.
	Let's say we're traveling at the speed of light.
	Or near it, since we can't... Okay.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	Well, let's say we're... Oh, no.
	Okay.
	I'll make it easier for you.
	Okay.
	Subjectively, I suppose we're traveling at 99.9 tenths the speed of light.
	Gotcha.
	So far.
	All right.
	And we're in a car.
	All right?
	Okay.
	And we turn the headlights on.
	Right.
	How fast is that, are the headlights going?
	The light from the headlights?
	The headlights, they go at the speed of light.
	They go at the speed of light?
	That's right.
	Uh-huh.
	Because they're light.
	So that light would just sort of crawl ahead when you turn on the headlights?
	It would be just a small percentage ahead of you.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It would just crawl ahead?
	Yep.
	So it wouldn't really be traveling at the speed of light?
	Hmm.
	Alright, let me also tell you, you got me there.
	What the computer would say when it first came to life?
	Yeah, what?
	Ga ga gates.
	Ga ga gates, huh?
	That's my theory there.
	Uh, I thought maybe, uh, da da gates.
	Well, that's true.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	Take care.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Uh, yes.
	My name is Rose and I live in the Bay Area of California.
	Hello, Rose.
	Um, I know you're probably getting tired of this topic, but I wanted to call in about Courtney Brown.
	Okay, well, no, that's alright.
	What I'm doing, Rose, is I'm having open lines because I realize people want to hash this out.
	Yeah.
	So I'm going to let it burn itself out.
	Right.
	Well, I give thought about this.
	I listened to the program when it was on.
	I listened to the rerun of it.
	And one of the, you know, when this originally happened, when he called in and told about this photo and he sent a copy to you.
	I was thrilled because I thought, finally, a scientist has got enough guts to come forward against the community and give out information that they have that everybody else is trying to ignore or explain away.
	Well, that's the way I felt about it, Rose.
	Okay, and I felt that Courtney was thrilled with this and this is how he was corroborating what he picked up on remote viewing.
	Correct.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	I know from the very beginning, from that very first show, you said that you would release it if he didn't come forward within a reasonable time.
	I know.
	Rose, can you hold on?
	I have to break for the news.
	Okay, can you?
	Okay, yes I will.
	All right, stay right there.
	All right.
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	I've got a caller on hold.
	Here she is again.
	Go right ahead, ma'am.
	Okay.
	Like I said before, when you talked to Courtney Brown about this, you said that you would hold it, like he asked, for a reasonable period of time.
	And if he didn't have this news conference, that you were going to go ahead and show it because you felt the people had the right to see this.
	That's what I said, yes.
	Right.
	I remember that from the very beginning.
	Okay, now I know that there was a great difference between the story that Courtney Brown saw with his remote viewing and Ed Dames saw with his on the airplane crash.
	Yes.
	So there is a difference in point of view.
	There seems to be a conflict there.
	Also, I know Ed was a little bit upset because Courtney changed the The way that he did the remote viewing?
	Yes.
	So Ed admitted that he changed the way he did it from the way he was taught.
	But anyway, if somebody wanted to discredit Courtney Brown so that people would not listen to him and would possibly listen to Ed because Ed has worked for the government, I believe he said he still does at times work for the government.
	Okay?
	If they wanted to discredit him so that They wouldn't listen to what he said, then you became a tool to do this.
	That this was planted.
	If it's something that big, then it would be next to impossible if we had the name of the astronomer to go back and try to find out where it came from.
	Not that hard.
	Courtney Brown... Well, they have... Now, hold on.
	You've said quite a bit.
	Let me say this to you.
	Even if Courtney Brown wasn't going to give us the name, Courtney Brown could certainly himself go to the astronomer now and say, who gave you that photograph?
	Right.
	And follow the... Which I think he's trying to do.
	Um, no.
	Or he had anyway.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	Wrong.
	Well, I mean, if you didn't know, it was a forgery at the time, but he's been trying to get back with him and couldn't.
	Um, yeah, has called and called and called.
	Right.
	He's not going to try to pursue the physical evidence.
	He's made a statement.
	It's up on the internet this morning.
	Okay, that I haven't seen.
	And he's saying he's not going to attempt to prove anything one way or the other with either the photographs, you know, the negatives that they've still got on their hand, for heaven's sakes, or pursuing the astronomer to find out where the photograph came from.
	I have a real problem with that.
	Right, I understand that.
	And the thing that bothers me is that because, you know, it's human nature to do this.
	That it's kind of like, I feel like we should say, okay, this was a forgery.
	Acknowledge it.
	Accept it.
	And say, okay, but I am not going to allow that forgery to prevent me from being able to listen to what Courtney Brown has to say about the remote viewing of whatever he does.
	I want to be able to judge what I hear from him on his own merits and my own intelligence.
	And you can.
	Well, you know, if he can't, if he doesn't come on the show, That I don't know how I would have access to it.
	Courtney Brown has a website.
	He posts all his remote viewing results up there.
	Well, I guess I can go ahead and look through that.
	I hit the website of work, because I don't have a computer.
	I don't do any communication through it.
	I just look and see what's there at different places.
	Well, that's one avenue for you.
	Right.
	You know, I feel bad that you have been using the tool for this.
	Also, he has written books, and I'm no doubt going to write more.
	Well, I have the one book.
	That, uh, I just, you know, I hope that people can, you know, I know that there's going to be a lot of people that's going to say, okay, all of this stuff, everything, this is a forgery, everything he said is done.
	That's right.
	You know?
	That's right.
	And that's because they're looking for an excuse to, to not accept it.
	Well, look.
	One of these days, whoever is out there is going to get everybody in the face and nobody will be able to ignore it anymore.
	Well, maybe that'll be so, but until then, Courtney honestly has dug his own hole.
	And he's digging it deeper right now by saying he's not going to pursue trying to prove anything at all.
	Yeah, he shouldn't cut his bridges.
	Yeah, well, look, that's all I can tell you right now.
	Yeah.
	Alright?
	Well, thank you for being there and I hope that he straightens this out and comes forth because it isn't right that the public should be robbed of information that he may be able to give.
	Alright, thank you.
	I have no choice but to feel the way I do right now.
	There are any number of ways that Courtney, in my opinion, could now proceed with physical evidence.
	One is the negatives he claims that he's got.
	Says he's not going to pursue that.
	He's not going to show them to anybody, privately or publicly.
	So that's one avenue cut off.
	He's cutting it off.
	Another is, Either privately or publicly, he could pursue the astronomer.
	Even privately.
	There's no damage to the astronomer from that.
	And saying, where'd you get the photograph?
	Well, I got it from Zoltan.
	And pursuing that.
	Until we get to the person that committed the fraud.
	And so I'm sorry.
	He's unwilling to pursue any way to clear his name.
	I can't do that for him unless I receive information that allows me to do that.
	And so far I have not.
	And believe me, I've tried.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, Art.
	I have three quick things.
	Sure.
	Fire away.
	First of all, the computer first words... Ah, yes.
	...would be, deal the cards.
	I'm tired of solitaire.
	The second thing, when you were talking to the astronomer in Hawaii the other night, I understood him to say September of 85 it was posted, and it was taken August the 31st of 85, and I believe he said it twice.
	Right.
	Or 95, I'm sorry.
	95, yeah, that's right, 95.
	So that would have made it two years ago.
	That's right.
	Okay, and the third thing, I want you to stick to the You're doing a very good job, sir.
	Thank you.
	That's all you can do.
	and motivation, opportunity and motive.
	I think you are following that trail very well.
	Best I can.
	You are doing a very good job, sir.
	Thank you.
	That's all you can do.
	Unfortunately without all the information, without all the clues, the proper clues, you
	are cut off at some passes.
	Stopped.
	Bye.
	But, time and, uh, time has a way of, uh, solving things, and I have a feeling it'll be the case here.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hey, Art.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	This is Carrie from Washington.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Um, in order to see Hale Bop... Yes?
	You need to look east at the Milky Way.
	Right.
	So, well, I just picked that up off of PBS station.
	The trouble is that for me, it's not far enough above.
	You see, I've got mountains to the east.
	Well, I guess it's supposed to double in brightness on the 30th of January.
	Oh, I'll bet it will.
	So, but anyways.
	Been dialing all night.
	Now I just forgot what I was going to say real quick here.
	What a computer would say?
	Oh, yes.
	The first thing a computer would say?
	Yes.
	Would say, stop feeding me all of this drivel or I'm going to have to purge.
	Well, they do that on a fairly regular basis without intelligence.
	All right, thank you very much.
	At least seven people, I knew it, are dead and ten seriously injured following two powerful earthquakes in China.
	The quakes were only about a minute apart.
	They rocked China's northwestern province, So there you've got it.
	It was in the six point something range.
	buildings to crack.
	In one town, the tumblers knocked down the surrounding wall of a police detention center,
	but inmates remained locked in their cells.
	There you've got it.
	It was in the six point something range, and that size of an earthquake in China, even
	in relatively uninhabited areas, can be very deadly.
	Dear Art, you've been talking about your love of clocks.
	I don't know if I love them.
	Here's a joke for you.
	A man passed away and was at the gate of St.
	Peter's.
	There he was saying, let me give you a tour.
	So the man walked with him into an auditorium where the walls were literally lined with clocks.
	The man said, What's with all the clocks on the wall?
	St.
	Peter said, each person has a certain amount of time on earth and the clocks record that time.
	The man looked and said, why do all the clocks show different times?
	St.
	Peter said, again, each person is allowed a certain amount of time on earth and each time they lie, their clock runs faster and their time is shortened.
	The man looked at the ceiling And saw a big clock with its hands literally twirling around and around and asked, what about that clock up there?
	And St.
	Peter said, oh, that's OJ Simpson's.
	We use it as a ceiling fan.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hold on, let me hear the punchline.
	No, I'm kidding.
	All right, I got a couple things for you.
	Sure.
	This is Carl in St.
	Louis Park, Minnesota.
	Yes, sir.
	As far as your radio station that I could have here.
	Yes.
	I'd love that idea.
	I'd call myself Art Bell Jr.
	and I'd pick up lots of dates.
	You would, huh?
	I hope so, anyway.
	It's been a little dry spell lately.
	I hate to tell you this, but it hasn't worked that way for me.
	You mean you don't got a bunch of groupies?
	No.
	Well, Penn sounds like she's a groupie.
	Well, she's a cutie.
	I think she's a good caller.
	She's a lot of fun, but I don't think she is what you think she is.
	Oh, okay, well.
	Hate to spoil that for you, that image.
	Well, don't then.
	Okay.
	Hey, uh, about Courtney Brown.
	Yes?
	Uh, he's made a lot of money by appearing on your show.
	Has he?
	Oh yeah, well he made, he got 25 bucks out of me.
	Oh, you bought his book.
	I bought his book.
	I see.
	And now I feel like I was jobbed.
	That would be, that would be gypped.
	There's a lot of verbs I could throw out that way.
	Please don't.
	I get the feeling.
	I think he's made an awful lot of money appearing on your show and your listeners.
	Everybody buys your products, so everybody's going to buy the book.
	He's had some really great shows that you've had with him.
	He has.
	There's no doubt about it.
	This incident just ruins his credibility with me, and I just don't trust him anymore, and I'm glad that you're not going to have him back on your show, and no matter what he says in the future... Now, I said, Qualifier, I said, unless he comes forth with information indicating where we can, in other words, where this fraud came from.
	Correct.
	He's not going to do it.
	Well, you know, maybe he's going to do it, I don't know.
	But tell him if he wants to tell the difference, well, first let me tell you this.
	I have a way that we can make him talk.
	Well, before you give that, again I want to say, whatever short-term gain there might have been with regard to book sales or whatever, I mean, a lot of guests I have sell books, even most of them as a matter of fact, certainly is going to be offset by a long-term loss that is far greater as a result of this.
	That's correct.
	When I heard your interview with him and Whitney the other night, is it Whitney or Whitley?
	It's Whitley.
	Whitley with an L, okay.
	I heard him say that he's wary of lawsuits and he's worried about getting sued by this professor.
	Well then he could go to him privately.
	Right, well I'm saying how we can make it talk, get all your listeners in the Atlanta area over around Emory University.
	Ham started filing frivolous lawsuits against him.
	Against who?
	Against Courtney Brown.
	For what?
	For makeup and a reason.
	They were walking down the street... You mean just no reason at all.
	Well, that's as bad as... That's awful.
	Sir, that's absolutely awful.
	And you're stooping to a level that you should not be stooping to.
	This is from Bill, who is a Ham.
	And who I believe runs the amateur radio news line.
	Art, your idea of creating a new micro-broadcasting band makes sense.
	But I doubt that it would satisfy the current crop of micro-broadcasters like Stephen Dunifer, Radio Free Berkeley.
	This is because it would be years before there'd be an audience to hear the broadcast.
	And as I understand, most micro-broadcasters want to attract existing audiences.
	I suspect they would be the most vocal in opposition.
	Also the ITU International Radio Telecommunications Conference.
	Well, my comment would be that you might be right, and it might not satisfy them, That doesn't mean it's not a good idea, ultimately, and that if implemented, ultimately, it would not solve the problem.
	And again, I feel like there is spectrum becoming available as more and more services begin to utilize satellites and various other forms of more reliable communications rather than HF.
	So there would be room.
	I think it's a good idea.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yes, my name is Diana and I'm from Anchorage.
	Hi.
	Hi, and I'm calling about Courtney Brown.
	I'm sure you're tired of it, but I wanted to let you know and the listeners know that I've met the man.
	I've taken the courses down in Atlanta and he's a very high-principled man.
	I believe he's very sincere.
	He's got the betterment of humanity in his heart and I believe he's been used and I hope It does come out that this has happened to the man because he doesn't deserve all the negative comments.
	Well, what you say may be absolutely true.
	Maybe.
	And he, at this point, could act in several ways to mitigate this.
	And so far, he is not doing that.
	Yes, I understand that and I understand your frustration and the listener's frustration as well.
	I'm sure that what he said to you that there was reasons why he couldn't come forth is true because I believe him to be a very honest individual and I'm sure that it's very difficult for him.
	Whatever the position he is in right now, he didn't intend for it to happen this way.
	I'm almost willing to bet on that.
	Well, he talks about believing that, as a matter of fact he said it, that we were told that we would be slammed with disinformation.
	He said that.
	Now, if he is aware that this is disinformation designed to discredit him, I cannot imagine a scenario where either publicly or privately he would not pursue clearing his name.
	Can you?
	Well, like I say, I don't know.
	I'm not walking in his shoes.
	All I know is that I've met the man and talked with him and I believe that he is a very high principled man and if he is protecting somebody or not coming forth for a reason, he has his reasons and I'm sure that There are good reasons, and I can't imagine what they could be either, and I understand why people are coming forth and saying this and that about him.
	Right, and look, the reason that I appeared so tough on him the other night was because I knew damn well the impression that was going to be left by his answers, and that's why I pressed as hard as I did.
	And I was right about that.
	I mean, if you listen to the phone calls and what's being said, That's exactly the impression that was left.
	And I'm not saying those people are wrong, having gathered that impression based on what they heard.
	Well, I understand that, too.
	And I can understand that they are not aware that remote viewing does, in fact, work.
	I took the classes.
	It does work.
	That's all I can say.
	And him detecting this astronomer has nothing to do with remote viewing working.
	And that's what's really frustrating for me because of being all put in one big ball of wax.
	That's correct.
	There's damage to remote viewing in general.
	Sure, thank you, in the public's eye.
	There's no question about that.
	What that young lady said is absolutely correct.
	I, too, believe there is something to remote viewing.
	I realize that all of this has had damaging effects, not just on Courtney, not just on Prudence and the Farsight Institute, But remote viewing in general.
	Perhaps less so to remote viewing in general, and more so to Courtney specifically.
	But definite damage.
	And when we were doing the show, I knew that.
	I knew it well.
	I've been in this business a while now.
	I knew what kind of damage was going on.
	We'll be right back.
	By the way, there is a photograph of Area 51 on my website and in the whole brown thing over the last
	few days, that fact got kind of lost.
	But somebody sent in a photograph, an aerial photograph, apparently, apparent, I say, of Area 51, and it is so good that I have no idea how it was obtained.
	One source says USGS, but I can't imagine how USGS would get an aerial photograph of Area 51.
	It could be satellite, but it seems too good for that.
	It could be Russian satellite, but it seems too good for even that.
	So I don't know.
	It could have been a private aircraft, but I can't imagine a private aircraft getting that close without getting shot down.
	So, for what it's worth, there is a photograph of Area 51.
	Quite a bit of detail.
	It bears some blowing up.
	In other words, you can magnify it before you begin to get pixelated.
	Pretty good picture of Area 51.
	Take a look-see.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Tim.
	Hi, Tim.
	I was wondering, have you seen the televangelist Jack Van Emphy's program?
	No.
	Okay.
	He has a syndicated show, and it's been quite interesting.
	The last few weeks he's been making an announcement that the Catholic Church through the Vatican is going to be making a startling announcement, as he puts it, in the next week or two, and he's going to be covering that on his show.
	I thought it was fascinating.
	I was wondering if it was going to be tying in with Ed Dame's announcement on the 30th.
	Well, I guess we're going to find out.
	But I have my VCR set to record the next two or three programs that will be airing in Denver, so if there's any interesting information, I'll try to get it out.
	He's kind of like the Art Bell of televangelists.
	Well, you'll have to keep us informed, because I can't get him here.
	What he does is read, at the beginning of his program, he reads the news of the week or the past several weeks.
	Nation news, nationwide news, and worldwide news, and then reads Bible prophecy, how it fits in to the end times, and things like that.
	It's a very fascinating show, and one I can tolerate watching real easily.
	So I'll keep you posted.
	All right.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Keep us posted.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Mark.
	Hi, Craig.
	You're going to have to yell at us a little.
	You're not too strong here.
	All right.
	Is there any way you can get a hold of Prudence without going through Courtney Brown?
	Well, the last word I had on Prudence was from Courtney and that was yesterday and he told me that she had resigned.
	Right.
	And so I really have no way at all to get a hold of her now.
	Because if you could, you would need to ask her why she resigned rather than simply take maternity leave without them.
	Well, if I could, I would.
	But as I just explained to you, my contact for her was through Farsight.
	So if she's not there anymore, I have no way to talk to her.
	Alright.
	Before you have Major Danes back on, could you have him possibly No, I think I'll pass on that one.
	Okay, one last thing.
	Yes?
	The first words from a computer, there are three short words, but in order for it to make sense I've got to spell it for you.
	So here goes.
	It's B-Y-P-E-M-Y-B-A-U-D.
	That would be byte, as in computer byte, my baud.
	Right.
	I got it, as in baud rate.
	Right.
	Have a good morning, sir.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Alex.
	Hello.
	I haven't been listening too long, so I kind of need you to explain to me what exactly is remote viewing?
	If you will tune in on the 30th, Ed Dames will do that for you, dear, but I certainly don't have time to do it right now.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Yeah, this is Norm.
	Yes, sir.
	Well, I just got this publication of a book by Duncan Steele, who's an astronomer from Australia.
	It's forwarded by Arthur C. Clarke.
	Yes.
	It's a lot of really good background information.
	The name of the publication is Rogue Asteroids and Doomsday Comets.
	Would you turn your radio off, please?
	Oh, sure.
	Or there's going to be a Doomsday Comet that will get us all.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we'll listen.
	Could do it, eh?
	Excuse me.
	What could do it?
	Either the Comet Hale-Bopp or... No, the Comet Hale-Bopp, sir, will pass no closer than 123 million miles.
	Right.
	That's a long way.
	That's true.
	But, anyway, the subtitle for this book is Search for Million Megaton Minutes that Threaten Flight on Earth.
	And this guy worked for NASA on the detection and Looking for these things and how to deal with them.
	I see.
	Well, listen, the threat from comets and asteroids, particularly asteroids.
	Asteroids are really worse.
	Comets are generally thought to be dirty snowballs.
	However, asteroids are large, dark, hunks of rock, generally thought to be rocks.
	Basically, rocks made up of who knows what, but rocks.
	Hard.
	And if a large asteroid hit Earth, um, that would be not good.
	That is going to be the subject of a movie coming up in February.
	I'm sure you've seen the promos.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Oh, I can't believe I'm on the air!
	Yes, you are!
	Oh, is this on?
	It is.
	Oh, I love your show.
	Thank you.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Fair Oaks, California.
	All right.
	Would you turn your radio off, please?
	Yes, I will.
	Standard instruction number one.
	When you get on the air, turn your radio off.
	All right.
	I started listening back in November.
	The Whitley Strieger Show was the first show I listened to.
	I see.
	The thing that I really wanted to talk to you about was, last March, I had a UFO sighting.
	And my question is, it was in the evening sky, dark out.
	Yes.
	And I wish I could have photographed it.
	I wish you could have too.
	Oh no, I didn't even think about it.
	I've been looking for years, years and years.
	Back in the 60's some friends of mine had taken some night film down in your area and had taken it to a local film processing lab.
	Yes.
	And you know, by word of mouth, oh you should see the pictures we took.
	And so you know, friends would go over and view them.
	This went on for about four or five nights and all of a sudden one evening these men in And some Mufon showed up.
	How they heard about the films, you know, we never knew.
	Yes.
	They went frame by frame, they scanned them, they thought they were very authentic.
	They wanted the films.
	My friend said, well, he would, you know, have a copy made.
	And that was the end.
	We never saw him again.
	You never saw who again?
	The films.
	We went to, you know, took him back to the, I don't mean the lab, but you know, a local film lab.
	They have copies made.
	Yeah.
	And they disappear.
	Well, why didn't you take the negatives in?
	Um, I don't know.
	That wasn't me.
	I see.
	That's just, you know, my friend.
	Well, generally, more copies are made from negatives, not from prints.
	Um.
	Hmm.
	These are movie films, so I don't know.
	Movie films?
	Yeah, you know, like, um, 16 millimeter or whatever.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Well, in other words, you're suggesting move on absconded with, no, I guess you're suggesting what?
	The lab absconded with them somehow?
	It's always like the fish story, the big one that got away.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Phil with 5 Second Resonance.
	Yes?
	I've got an answer for your near light speed car question.
	Alright.
	What happens is The light coming out of the car is going to be the light.
	The observer will see it at the speed of light, but the frequency changes.
	It's, um... The red shift, the same thing you see on the stars that they have to adjust for?
	Yes.
	So, if the car is going at you, you're going to see it... It's actually going to be a blue shift.
	It'll be very blue at that kind of speed.
	And if it's going away from you, it's going to be red, but it's... Leaving the car, it's just going to be the... It's always the speed of light, but it's...
	The frequency of the, uh, EMF changing.
	I see.
	So the light would change in color depending on the direction.
	Mm-hmm.
	All right.
	Appreciate that answer.
	Sure.
	Thank you, and, uh, have a good morning.
	First time calling a line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, Abel.
	Yes, sir.
	All right.
	Man.
	Uh, how you doing?
	I'm doing fine.
	That's great, man.
	I've been trying for, like, all year.
	Don't say that.
	You'll discourage people.
	Uh, where are you?
	I'm in Bradenton, Florida.
	Bradenton?
	All right.
	Yeah, it's just now getting light over here.
	I'm sure it is.
	I was out looking for Harold Bob, but I couldn't really see him.
	But I just wanted to ask you, excuse me, if you're going to have a guy on, a gentleman by the name of, can I say his name?
	Can I say people's names?
	Yeah.
	First name?
	Yeah.
	His name is Dromgoole?
	Are you going to be having him on soon, you think?
	I don't know.
	I read in a newsletter that he might be appearing on your show.
	Yeah.
	I did a sort of a pre-interview with him and I'm thinking about it.
	You're thinking about it?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Do you have any, like, any date, you think?
	No, I have no date yet.
	Okay.
	Well, I'd really be looking forward to that and I really enjoy your website.
	It's really neat.
	Thank you.
	And you have a good morning.
	You too, sir.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is Ron from Nashville.
	Hi Ron.
	I just got through reading Courtney Brown's book the night before your show aired with him and I was wondering when I was listening to him he might have a hard reason for himself but what about the Federation?
	The whole point of his writing the book and the Federation telling him was so he could get out the truth to people.
	Now if people don't believe him how is he going to do that?
	I don't know.
	I think it's going to be a very difficult mission indeed.
	He's made it very difficult and he can't tell us why.
	Right, and I mean it seems like the Federation's purpose would be far above anything he has had.
	I wish I had answers for you.
	Believe me, I've asked all the questions.
	Well, thanks Art.
	That's something for everybody to think about.
	Alright, take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi!
	Oh, wow!
	I'm another one of those, can't believe I got through.
	No, you did.
	Whoops, lost it here.
	The stuff with the remote viewing, I think what hasn't been talked about is the fact that the damage has been done, we say, to the listeners, but we've gone out on a limb talking to the people we work with in our neighborhoods, talking about what they consider to be all this weird stuff.
	And then we get the validation of having talked about it, and then it comes out in the news.
	You know, see, I told you, Art Bell talked about it.
	Stuff of the Frogs being a good example.
	Right.
	The comics and stuff.
	Right.
	So when we, being good people, have to go back and say, hey, you know, it came out, it was a hoax, we were defrauded, everybody's all upset, you should have heard them going last night, real embarrassing.
	The ones who were the holdouts, meaning the ones who didn't hear us being right and become Art Bell listeners, they said, see, told you, you're right, weirdos, and they stopped listening to what we're talking about.
	And a lot of us believe that what we're talking about is kind of doing a public service and helping people out for what's coming.
	So the cost also is to... There is a cost, but on the other hand, consider the cost if this had been sort of all washed under the carpet, or swept under the carpet I guess, not washed under, sweeped under, and the truth had never come out or had come out in some other way.
	Then there would have been real damage.
	At least we're now seen as having followed the path as far as we can.
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I'm talking more, I guess, in terms of why it's still being talked about.
	Why we're so hot about it and it's going on and on and on.
	Right.
	You know, we've been made to feel foolish.
	Right.
	It's not that it's going to change the way that we go about things, but we just had to, you know, say, well, we got it in our face.
	We're admitting it.
	You know, that's the way it goes.
	The thing with remote viewing is, what is for you, real quick on the remote viewing thing, is when we talk about remote viewing, we heard about it as the government project, the public heard about it, and it was stopped, and we're not going to use our tax money to pay for this kind of weird stuff, psychics, etc.
	You don't honestly think they're not still doing it, do you?
	That's my point.
	We know, we say, oh, come on, yes, sure, the government quit it.
	If it was working, if it was effective, no way the government would quit it.
	It just went undercover.
	It became another clandestine government operation, right?
	Yes.
	So my what-if is if we take that as the government project is still going on, they never had the stoppage in their work, their research, that the private sector had when they had to leave the project and start their own institutes and such.
	So the government continued with its research.
	So I'll assume that they're better at it than our private sector, all right?
	Meaning Ed Daines and Courtney Brown.
	Isn't it possible that the government being better at it, knowing that Brown and Danes and the others is a real threat to them, because no more secrets, every other project that's clandestine with the government is going to be exposed.
	Sure.
	They've got to do something to stop it.
	So mind-wise, thought-wise, even though they talk about when someone else is remote viewing they know it, what if the government has overcome that problem and they're essentially Jamming the circuits for the private remote viewers so that they're getting false impressions and false readings.
	It would account for why we had the two remote viewers coming up with completely different answers.
	But it doesn't account, though, for a fraudulent photograph.
	No, no, no, no.
	Absolutely not when it comes to that.
	I'm just posing that as a what-if for us to think about when it comes to... Well, when it comes to remote viewing, you can imagine any scenario you want.
	That there's a war of remote viewers going on.
	That they're all colliding out there in the ether.
	That they're feeding each other disinformation.
	You can imagine all kinds of things when it comes to remote viewing.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, this is Will from Madison, Wisconsin, having to listen to, and thank gosh that they're on the air, KSD out of St.
	Louis, Missouri.
	Yes, Will.
	Local stations here and even the big boomer out of a big city, they take you off here and they put on blah, blah, blah.
	The morning shows, yes, we know.
	And in fact, kind of a laugher, I called into that big boomer because for some reason or other, yesterday at 4am, very unusual for them, they put on somebody else and then that guy for a whole hour just got one call.
	I see.
	Yep.
	Anyway, listen, what's on your mind?
	Okay.
	One of my good friends was Emeritus Professor of the Department of Meteorology, University of Wisconsin.
	Okay.
	He was the father of the NASA Air Weather Satellite Surveillance Program, now deceased, Professor Werner Suomi.
	And he had Some ideas on the causes of our weather anomalies.
	But, as you know, I've looked all over in Europe, etc., how weather has caused tribes to move about.
	And you are right on the money, a lot of other people.
	We may be approaching another, but it's going to be slow, slow process, another mini ice age.
	Weather changes.
	Tremendous changes occurring.
	We'll have warm periods, colder periods.
	And lastly, and very importantly, one of the tribes that may have been forced to move when it got colder, about 1,700 B.C.
	possibly, was a tribe called the Sedoni.
	The Sedukai, of which there are only 600 left on the Russian side.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air, hello.
	on the uh... uh... i was in a lot of i'm running out of time okay they brought
	the alphabet governor nearest
	maybe definitions
	in fact may even have been down in egypt dot looks like a lot like i gotta go i gotta go i gotta go
	thank you very much uh... you'll have to continue the tribe story later
	first-time caller line you're on the air hello this is henry calling from hawaii
	hello henry Bye.
	I didn't realize I was there, too.
	Anyway, um, I just wanted to make a quick comment about, um, uh, the... a comment, Al Bob, and, uh... Well, go ahead.
	Well, I wanted to mention, um, would that affect a lot of the weather and a lot of, uh... Not at all.
	Listen, I'm gonna give you an opportunity from Hawaii to say goodnight, America.
	So, say goodnight, America.
	Good night, America.
	That's the way it's done.
	Good night, Cosmos, Canada, America, everybody from the high desert.

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