Art Bell’s Coast to Coast AM open lines dissect Courtney Brown’s debunked Hale-Bopp "spaceship" claims, where a disputed photo—later proven fraudulent—sparked skepticism despite Brown’s refusal to share negatives or confront the astronomer. Callers debate remote viewing’s credibility, government suppression theories, and micro-broadcasting reforms to expand free speech, while Bell defends his transparency amid criticism. A Fair Oaks caller recounts 1960s UFO photos authenticated by MUFON but mysteriously lost, and Will from Madison links weather anomalies to NASA’s past research, hinting at climate shifts. The episode blends conspiracy skepticism, technological speculation, and global listener engagement, leaving Bell open to future revelations if credible evidence emerges. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is Coast to Coast AM.
Cheerio, everybody.
I'm Mark Bell.
And we'll be here all night long, as usual, with whatever you want to talk about open minds.
The news of the day, for your time zone, perhaps yesterday's news by now, the president's sworn in for a second term.
There was nothing particularly remarkable or unusual about the speeches and the pump and ceremony.
The second item in the news is Republicans wish Clinton well.
Do you think they really do?
Then we can go on down looking at the importance of the news beyond that.
Cheerful crowd braves cold.
And that was to watch this exciting event, the president beginning his next four years.
Law enforcement officials said that a 22-year-old Los Angeles woman and an alleged accomplice were arrested for, get this now, allegedly attempting to extort $40 million from actor Bill Cosby in exchange for not telling the media that she was his illegitimate daughter.
This is Reuters news.
A federal prosecutor in New York said, there is no evidence the blackmail attempt is related in any way to the murder last week of Cosby's only son, Innes.
FBI says Jackson, that'd be Autumn Jackson and Jose Medina, 51, were arrested Saturday after they signed an agreement not to tell the story to tabloid newspapers in an office of a representative of the actor.
CBS and ABC News reported Cosby spokesman deny indeed that Jackson was Cosby's daughter.
Jackson and Medina are to make an appearance in federal court on Tuesday.
U.S. adventurer Steve Fawcett fell short of his goal, but achieved another during his daring long-distance balloon flight.
He is down now.
The 52-year-old commodities broker landed that balloon in northern India on Monday.
He fell short of supplies after having to fly in sort of a different direction after being refused airspace privilege over several countries.
They didn't want him over their country.
Afraid Steve would, no doubt, lean out or take photographs or was on some sort of spy mission.
Over the weekend, the talk shows concentrating on the new Dick Morris book called Behind the Oval Office and revealed that Trent Lott in 1995 met every week with Dick Morris.
That Dick Morris's participation, in effect, killed Bob Dole's presidential hopes because everything got done.
In other words, Morris insisted the president pick up basically the Republican agenda, co-opting the Republican agenda and therefore Bob Dole's run for the White House.
I failed to see great differences between Bill Clinton, Trent Locke, Leon Panetta, Dick Morris, President Clinton, and Newt Gingrich.
That's Clinton Weiss.
In other words, any of them.
None of them, to me, are discernible from each other.
I wonder about you.
Newt Gingrich, as you know, has been fined $300,000, but remains House Speaker.
$300,000 is a lot of money to have to pay.
Now, the big debate going on is whether he should pay it from his campaign funds or his own pocket.
Anybody out there have any idea how Newt can get the $300,000 he needs now to pay his fine?
Perhaps he could contact some of the president's Asian friends.
Float Hillary a grub stake to be invested in commodities for a quick profit.
In other words, what are the top 10 ways Newt Gingrich can get his quickly needed $300,000?
There was a question asked of Tim Russard on Meet the Press over the weekend that I thought, or by him, to Trent Law, that I thought was absolutely astounding.
I told you two years ago, two years ago now, that I thought if anything would ever come of all the scandals at the White House, it was going to be the first lady, and I've maintained that ever since, that would be in trouble.
In fact, reports are circulating like crazy that Ken Starr may have, may have enough evidence to indict the first lady.
And Tim Russert asked the following question, Mr. Lott, Senator Lott.
Reports are that Ken Starr may have enough evidence to indict the first lady.
In other words, if she's indicted, does he stand by his woman?
Does he pardon his woman?
Does he go down in flames with her?
Does he let her swing slowly in the breeze twist slowly in the breeze?
Does he come out, as they do with political operatives and cabinet members who are in trouble and, you know, on day one say, I have every confidence in my wife.
I'm solidly behind her.
And then on the second day, there's a little less confidence in the statement.
You know how that goes, until finally there's a deafening silence followed by a resignation, or what would it be in this case, a divorce?
Would they do not allow her in the White House if she became indicted?
I don't know what a mess that would be.
Last week, we talked for a while about the first words an intelligent computer would probably say.
Here's somebody who suggests, John and Portland suggest, the first words of an aware computer probably would be woman, which, when created, would make a pact with the devil and tempt us with the evil apple.
Macintosh, that is.
Not my words.
High art, top 10 things that might be a computer's first words.
10.
Who am I and why am I here?
Isn't there a presidential candidate that asked about that?
We're also talking about the top use for AOL discs, you know, that have been used or not used.
America Online sends anybody who has even a passing interest discs, C Vs, so they can get on.
And this is a creative idea.
Art, remember ID4?
Of course.
Well, we could rewrite the ending.
Instead of having all those jets fly ridiculously close and fire off missiles and cannons, try this.
By order of the President of the U.S., one weekend's worth of AOL discs would be diverted by the U.S. Post Office to Air Force bases, where they'd be loaded aboard several C-5A galaxy heavy lift transports.
When loaded to the max gross weight, these huge jets would lumber into the air and climb to their max altitude.
They would overfly the alien saucers and dump out the disks at the appropriate time.
The disks would then flutter randomly and would present too complicated a target to the aliens.
The disks would fall on the saucers and the sheer preponderance of their mass would cause the enemy craft to sink to its knees and crash.
Another variance to quell the AOL Deformation Legal Squabble, the aliens would capture a massive quantity of these disks and attempt to analyze their contents.
They would upload them en masse.
They would inadvertently sign up with AOL and then just as quickly, they would all be flamed to death on the net.
Computer jokes.
And also last week we talked toward the end of the week a little bit about micro broadcasting, or in other words, the ability of everybody out there to have their own little broadcast station without license and the requirements and all the rest Of that.
And I received the following from Adam.
Art, I heard some discussion on your show concerning microbroadcasting.
I attempted to call in but couldn't get in.
Wanted to mention a few things.
One, the FCC has two primary arguments against microbroadcasting.
They are interference, pirate signals, bleed into other parts of the band.
Well, that is a reasonable objection.
And I think that microbroadcasting could not occur in the present broadcast bands.
That is not what I am suggesting.
I don't think it would work.
Two, lack of bandwidth.
There's only so much space on the dial.
Well, there is an area, actually, between the top of the broadcast band and, say, 3 megahertz, where you could set up a band, a small band, albeit, for micro-broadcasting.
If something is popular, it finds its way, you know, to a popular format and is heard by many people.
And that would apply to microbroadcasting as well.
If something became very popular, then it would be on commercial broadcasting very quickly, more popular, syndicated further beyond that, and so forth and so on.
So it would be a breeding ground for new talent and people with new ideas.
No, I think that I'm in favor of the concept of micro-broadcasting.
However, not in the present AM or FM bands.
They're pretty full.
It would be a zoo.
Instead, assign a new band, maybe one in AM above the present AM band, and another one somewhere in VHF.
In other words, FM.
And allow people without license, without regulation.
Well, I guess there might have to be some, but basically without regulation, to broadcast a short distance, maybe, you know, a mile, two miles, three miles, five, whatever.
I think it's a good idea, and I wonder how the rest of you feel about that.
All right, I want to lay this out a little more.
I'm beginning to get behind the idea of micro-broadcasting.
And what I'm talking to you about now could end up being a multi-billion dollar industry.
Here are my ideas.
A new AM band.
Small.
It would not have to be large because there would not be that many stations that would go that far.
Somewhere between the top of the present broadcast band and, say, about three megahertz.
Cut out a piece somewhere there.
And that would be the AM portion.
In VHF, cut out a piece somewhere near the present FM band.
I don't know, you could look just below or just above, it wouldn't matter.
And allow the civilian population to, in effect, start their own small broadcast station.
You'd have to work things out.
50 watts, 100 watts, 20 watts.
I don't know what the power level would be.
Allow it to be commercial.
In other words, if you could get enough listeners, you want to go out and sell commercials, fine.
They would not interfere with the present broadcast bans, AM or FM.
It would spur an entire new industry for companies to produce radios that would receive these bans.
And you could pretty much allow them to go on with only the barest of regulation.
In other words, no regulation regarding program content whatsoever beyond the seven deadly words and to not allow legal defamation, that sort of thing.
But beyond that, not regulate them.
And then sell radios to the public.
Imagine all of the industries that would profit.
People who would make and sell the transmitters, the associated radio gear and antennas, and all the rest of it.
The companies that would make the receivers that would receive it on AM and FM both.
People who would learn about the art of broadcasting.
The talent pool that would be created.
Inevitably, stars would be found and would rise from micro-broadcasting into commercial broadcasting or into the second level of commercial broadcasting, kind of like baseball's AAA league and then on to the majors, whatever.
In other words, it would, and then there's just one more little thing.
It would be a tremendous community service.
Because inevitably, these small, little tiny micro broadcasters would deal very nearly with neighborhood-level issues, that kind of thing.
Or whatever they wanted to do.
I don't know.
I thought I would run the idea by you and see what you thought.
So, a lot of people talk about micro-broadcasting in the present bands.
My idea is to get some new bands.
What do you think?
Less competition?
Less opposition?
And boy, would it make a lot of people a lot of money.
We will be right back.
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We will be right back.
Thank you.
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That is what some people will conclude, that the buck stops there.
And I want to...
I'm going to talk to you about some things, okay?
I spent...
I spent a lot of time this past weekend in deep, reflective thought about a lot of things.
And I reviewed this whole thing, the way I handled it, the way it came down.
And I must tell you that though you may have questions, which I would be glad to answer about any of the details, in the chronology of events, people frequently get a lot of it wrong, and they don't know what happened, and they don't know what happened beyond scene, certainly.
And when, who knew something, and when they knew it, and so forth and so on.
But all of these issues aside, I reviewed what I did very, very carefully.
And I really have nothing to be sorry for with one great exception.
In other words, I handled it honestly.
As I always have told you guys I would do with you.
I handled it.
Everything I told you, I told you honestly.
And I was honest with you all the way through.
Both in the beginning when the announcement was made with the photograph that I received and Whitley received.
Contrary to what is being said by Clerk and Brown, I never, never, never promised to hold on to that forever.
In fact, quite to the contrary, I told the audience I'd release it.
So, you know, I reviewed in my mind all of these things.
Within 24 hours of the release, it was shown to be a fraud.
The evidence of that is on the website.
It's not refutable.
What I thought about over the weekend and agonized about was the human toll, the human toll of all of this in my position and what I'm doing here.
In other words, if, as the last caller said, the buck stops with Courtney Brown, then fair, unfair, whatever, the blame is going to be pretty much laid there and at the feet of prudence.
And that's going to affect a lot of people.
In other words, Courtney Brown's tenured at Emory.
I don't know what the consequences there might be or might not be.
He's got the Farsight Institute that has employees, real people involved.
There is, as of the weekend, some sort of new webmaster for the Farsight Institute.
And I became very reflective over the human toll that something like this takes.
What I do here carries with it a lot of responsibility.
And I so I reviewed very carefully to try and be damn sure that I wasn't part of the reason for this human toll.
And my answer to myself finally, after a lot of thought, is no, no, but here I was at the very center of it, and it really, really, really caused me to be reflective about the power of radio and communications and the media and all the rest of it.
And boy, I'll tell you, it really is a big responsibility.
And what you have to keep centered on, I think, if you do the kind of job I do, is just being really, really honest.
You know, what your mom told you a long time ago about not having to worry if you're not telling a lie, that really, really is true.
If you're honest at every juncture, then you don't have to worry about the repercussions of recalling what your lie was at some later date.
And over the long run, doing a program like this, either you do it that way or you don't have a long run.
Let me put it that way.
But I did.
I spent a lot of very sober, reflective time considering all of that and this.
So it was a rough week last week, in almost every way you can imagine.
Courtney is the one who did the remote viewing that said, if you recall, sir, that the object was a hollow spaceship three to four times the size of Earth.
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Yeah, that it was sending radio signals and all that.
That's what I was talking about when I said the human toll.
The same day I discovered that the photograph was a hoax, which, by the way, I never would have discovered if I hadn't released it along with Whitley, I put that on the air.
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Well, I was agonizing with you because you were worrying about everything that you had said that you would and wouldn't do, and then everything came to just a real loggerhead all of a sudden.
Yeah, I was thinking, you know, if Clinton can get maybe, what, $35,000 for a night in Lincoln bedroom, maybe Gingrich could get about $1,000 for an hour nap in his bedroom or something.
If you go back somewhere and can't get back, should we then conclude that it worked?
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Well, that's the thing that what I plan on doing is, you know, I've always believed that it's impossible with the theories with Albert Einstein and the NFI field theory and all the other experiments that have happened out there.
But my biggest curiosity is why isn't he selling it for more money?
Why don't more people have this thing?
And whenever I do buy this thing and try to do it, I'm going to have a video camera and some of my friends out there who come with me to see if anything.
And I saw what it looked like, and I know that this technology is possible, but my biggest fear is maybe this guy isn't necessarily, you know, he's, you know.
What I'd like to do is try to clarify the information that you gave out last night about the earthquake and the gentleman that has the well down around Ojai.
But to create some new band above the present broadcast band, AM, and somewhere in VHF, create a small segment where as well the public could broadcast low power, neighborhood style, or just beyond.
Maybe not too much longer, but he won a lot of my respect listening to him over this whole hillbop situation.
And I listened to him very intently, and I had a lot of respect for him until lately.
I thought over this whole thing, this photograph thing, you kept holding on to it and holding on to it.
And for a while, I kept saying, you know, I started to get really ticked.
I thought, you know, Art Bell, you better release this thing.
You were starting to get in my bad books a bit.
I was like, you know, like, this sounded like a real game.
And then, bang, you came out with that program the other night.
And Courtney Brown crashed and burned badly.
And I've lost all respect for the man to the point where if you have him on your show again, unless he's on there to either quote-unquote confess or share his source, I'll turn it off.
And the answer is that he's not going to be on again unless.
Now, for those of you that joined the program this hour, let me just tell you, I had a private conversation with Courtney.
I began, even though after the show on Thursday, Friday, I began to review with, in great detail, agonizing detail, my actions through this whole thing.
Because I began to realize the human impact of what has occurred.
These are real people.
Professor Brown with a doctorate tenured at Emory for now.
The Farsight Institute, people employed there.
And Prudence Calabresi.
She has, by the way, resigned.
That news was given to me this morning by Professor Brown.
Ostensibly because she is about to have a child and has been advised to do so by her doctors.
Now, when I did release it, I released, and by the way, for those who have questions, I had an electronic image that was originally sent to me, and so did Whitley, by electronic media.
In other words, came as, I think, a JPEG or a GIF, I forget.
And I printed that out so I had copies of it here.
And I still have that original image.
As a matter of fact, that original image is the one that is now posted on the website, labeled fraud.
The other image from the University of Hawaii has not been in any way modified other than to prop it so it's similar size or field of view and turn it 90 degrees.
And they are labeled real and fraud up there.
You take a look for yourself.
It really is not disputable.
And I really, I don't want to rehash this whole thing except to tell you that it made me very reflective on the power of mass media broadcasting, my own position in it.
And I'll tell you what I finally concluded after agonizing and agonizing because I don't like what's happened as a result of all this.
A lot of people got hurt.
But as long as I'm honest with you, with myself, I guess first, and you guys second, and importantly, you guys, as long as I tell you the truth, then I don't have anything to worry about.
And that's why this turned out okay for me.
Because I was just honest with you all along.
But it doesn't mean that it turned out all right.
There's been an impact.
There's been a tremendous, I mean, you have no idea.
I have hundreds of email.
Emails I have not caught up, and I'm probably not going to catch up for a week with my email.
And the letters, you just cannot imagine.
So the impact of all of this has been incredible.
And so I spent a very careful weekend, such as my weekends are, in contemplative review of the whole thing.
And I am amazed and humbled by power broadcast and mass media.
We've been listening to your program, and we just get on partial because we come in in the middle of it.
And we came in in the middle of this Courtney Brown situation and all this, and we were wondering, at one time you said there was something following Hellbot.
Secondly, the person who said that there was something followed, well, I can't go back through the whole thing, but Chuck Schrammett took a first photograph.
The problem is with the public, without having any more names, either to be given in public or private for investigation, without having the claimed negatives, then where does the buck stop?
No, but the other thing I wanted to mention here was that some callers have a certain guy I've got the impression, gotten the impression from some of the callers that because this thing with Courtney has sort of fallen through, that all of a sudden the comet doesn't exist.
Well of course it's not true, but I'm getting that feeling that the whole experience that we're all going to find out about one way or another soon enough, I believe, that it no longer exists.
But the bottom line to the business with Courtney Brown is, even though there are other people who believe there is or was a companion, whatever, and even though there are other unexplained or controversial photographs, all of that becomes overshadowed with the size of the story generated by Brown and company.
With regard to the photograph, it is obviously a fraud.
And what is left in the public's mind because of the size of that story is that's it.
That's the end of it.
There is no companion.
That is the bottom line to what occurred.
Disinformation?
Some say so.
All right.
Well, anyway, what I did tell Courtney to, again, relate to you the substance of a private conversation I had with him was if there's anything that would mitigate the damage, you come to me and we'll put it on the air.
In other words, that means if you are prepared to turn the photographs over privately or publicly, name who gave you the photograph, publicly or privately.
Tell us where it has led and who perpetrated the fraud, publicly or privately.
At that point, we'll go back on the air.
If that in any way mitigates the damage that is occurring because of where the buck presently has stopped.
His response to me was that I only know one one thousandth of the whole story and that maybe it can be told before he dies.
Courtney, that is.
But that for now it's going to have to stop exactly where it is.
So that was, I guess, as far as I feel I could go.
There was really nothing else I could say to him.
And at this time, there is nothing else I can say to him.
I just don't know what it would be.
In other words, I'm sorry that all of this has happened in the way it has.
I'm sorry it turned out this photograph turned out that is to be a fraud.
I'm sure as hell not sorry I released it.
I had, I felt to all of you, an obligation to do that.
I told you I would, despite those, and you recall, people urge me, don't do it, don't do it, don't release it.
Well, I never promised not to.
In fact, quite the opposite.
I always said that I would, as did Whitley.
And I'm not sorry.
I would rather follow the truth wherever it leads than to leave all of you hanging with regard to my credibility because I said I had a copy of that photograph.
Therefore, I released it.
And boy, what a firestorm after I did that.
But, you know, I reviewed that over the weekend.
All I did.
And I must tell you, if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't do one thing differently.
All right, once again, I have proposed the idea, it's not a new one, of micro-broadcasting with some modification.
In other words, I don't believe that it should be in the present commercial bands.
That would create havoc.
This idea is simply one of allowing the general public, Harry Sixpack, whoever, to put on his own little low-power neighborhood or a little better than that, radio station.
I propose two bands, maybe one, but two possibly.
One AM above the present AM band, one FM somewhere in the VHF spectrum, and with very little regulation other than the current requirements with regard to language and time of day and that sort of thing.
In other words, you don't want pornography there.
Other than that, to allow the public to broadcast with low power.
And here is a response.
Art, on micropower broadcasting, as a fellow ham, I must say, are you on glue?
No, but glue gets on me a lot.
By the way, anybody have any ideas how you do anything about super glue?
No matter how careful you are, have you ever noticed?
If you're super gluing something, you inevitably have to sit there picking it off with your teeth because there's no way not to get it on you.
Anyway, no, I'm not on glue.
Glue is on me.
He goes on, you are being as naive as the FCC was in 1957.
You can't give the American public a piece of the spectrum without them abusing it.
These microcast bands would be full of high-power pirate transmitters in no time.
A legal half-watt station would be crushed by 50-plus waters miles away.
The FCC would be powerless to stop it, just as they are now.
The public could have a piece of the band 10 megahertz below light where they can do no harm.
You know, there are some people who would call and say, look at the CB band today and what a mess it is.
Well, it was not intended, nor is it presently being used as a broadcast medium.
I'm proposing a real broadcast medium.
Commercial.
In other words, if you could make it commercial locally, fine, do it.
Non-commercial in all probability.
Alternative views and weird stuff, no doubt.
But I say all kinds of new industries would spring up.
People selling transmitters.
Yes, there would have to be some enforcement, so people weren't putting high-powered things on could allow that.
That would be a breach of the faith and the whole concept of the idea.
And I know it would go on, but it would also be kept under control.
And it would be a riot to listen to.
A riot, wouldn't it?
You would have all kinds of localized news and rumor and you name it.
It'd be kind of like a backfence operation.
And I think it'd be cool.
I really do.
I know there are problems attendant with it, but I think it would be an ultimate expression of free speech, a good use of spectrum that I might add, particularly with respect to that above the broadcast band, have been largely abandoned by many services that have gone to satellite and other carriers.
So it's more likely we could create the space.
Not as easy in VHF, but even then it's very low power, low short-range kind of stuff.
So I think something could be worked out.
And I think it would not be a threat to commercial broadcasting, but in fact would enhance it.
Companies would be selling radios to cover this new spectrum.
I think it would be very, very exciting.
And once you get past the initial shocked reaction of such an idea and you begin to consider it, it would be very exciting and fun.
He said that he had been involved in remote viewing backaways in the 70s, and they'd come across some cases where they were all getting the exact same thing, very accurate, but it was accurately wrong.
You believe that Courtney had it right about Flight 800, and because of that, somebody went into an active discrimination, a disinfo campaign against him, culminating in what happened with Hilba.
Well, that's as good as anybody else's theory, but quite a reach.
The fraud was that a photograph that was taken back in September, 1st of September, was obviously fraudulently modified to show something that was not really there.
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And I saw somebody had a picture of the follow-up, which you call Hailbop.
And I do believe it is a conspiracy kind of deal, but I do believe it's to take the credit away from it so that it'll be forgotten, but it's still there in real life, real actuality.
If we could find out who perpetrated this and why, then we could find out the motivation.
In other words, the motivation would then be apparent, and whether or not it was some attempt to cover up something that really was a disintentional disinformation campaign, we would know.
But until we can follow it, we're not going to know.
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Right.
Do you sometimes get the impression that it could have been done by someone that does remote viewing?
Brent, if what you are saying is true, you need to fax me something else with a phone number so I can confirm this before I would dare say anything about it.
The public is going to talk about something until they don't want to talk about it anymore.
I've been doing this for 13 years, and I know the way these things go.
They want to hash it out.
And so I'm giving them that opportunity.
They need not talk about that.
They can talk about whatever they wanted.
But I knew before I went on the air that a lot of people still had things to say because I can't unjam my mailbox with all the mail I'm getting.
So let's hash it out.
That's what they want.
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Well, you know, the one thing that comes out of this is the fact that whoever did this, my opinion is that until it's proved otherwise, I can't help but think that Courtney Brown and Remote Viewing and Hailbot were all set up to look ridiculous in one self-sloop, and they certainly accomplished that.
But it it certainly, I mean, from the from just to take a survey of the calls that you've had tonight, it certainly sounds like people are in their own mind calling into question all of his remote viewing data and the effectiveness of remote viewing itself.
And when you have a fraud, that becomes the story, and everything else gets forgotten.
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Yeah, well, I think people's sense of trust in Courtney Brown and in some of the things that were said has really, they feel like their trust has been violated.
Courtney again said to me, both publicly and privately, that, oh, thank goodness, Art, this photograph had nothing to do with my remote viewing.
Technically true, though he used it as cooperation.
He remote viewed the sheramic photograph or the object depicted in the shramak photograph for the remote viewing he did.
But without question, in the public's mind, once trust is lost, rightly and wrongly, in that person, whatever else they say becomes in question as well.
And that is part of the damage that I was talking to you about earlier, that I've contemplated very personally throughout the weekend, in a very sober mood all weekend.
And I'm sorry about all of that.
And yet, I cannot imagine handling the whole situation in any way differently than I have to date.
Yes, but consider the difference between the cost of a little receiver compared to the cost of a computer capable of receiving real audio on the internet.
Come on now.
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Well, but let's say that you let's say not even a computer, but like those Web TV things, they can do audio over.
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If you have further questions about the whole Courtney Brown affair, and that's what people seem to be focusing on, feel free to ask them so that we can try and get all this information out, and everybody's satisfied, at least to the degree that we can, with what occurred.
Dear Art, I have a question which I wish you could answer on the air.
Since you pressured Courtney for the identity of the astronomer, can you release the name of the university that the astronomer supposedly was part of?
We, the faithful audience, would love to hear more info about the possible identity of the astronomer.
Ms. Bell, I think it is your responsibility now to release the name of that university.
Thanks.
Albert from MIT in Massachusetts.
All right, Albert, here's the story there.
On November 14th, the night of the broadcast, I was never told by Courtney Brown the name of the university, number one.
On the night of the broadcast, prior to the broadcast, there was an internet message posted by a prominent ufologist that rumored the name of the university.
And so I immediately called Courtney.
This was prior to the broadcast on the 14th.
I said, oh my God, there's a message on here naming a university.
Courtney Brown checked into it and found out the leak, he said, he told me, came from his own organization, Farsight.
And so I'm not sure that that really is the name of the university.
And because I can't be sure, because I have no proof at all, I'm not going to release it.
Obviously, the university would be swamped, and it could be inaccurate information, or it could be disinformation.
So, you see, I don't know that I do know it.
I only have a rumor.
That's point one.
Point two, Whitley Strieber thought he might have the name of the astronomer.
And when he spoke with Whitley, excuse me, with Professor Brown, Professor Brown did not deny that was the name, nor did he affirm that was the name.
And I certainly don't know the name of the astronomer.
So with respect to the university, I don't know that it's the right one.
With respect to the astronomer's name, I never did and still don't know it.
So there you have it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Hello.
Yeah.
Hello there.
Yeah, I'm calling from Indiana.
Yes?
I recently moved back here and kind of things have changed kind of drastically here.
And I don't know whether or not it's something that's like public or not.
But the police force here has like pretty much tripled in the last two to three years.
And there's a newspaper, the journal gazette here that ran an ad or a report, something like that, a couple years back about some new equipment that we got.
Hey, Thursday, when you talked to Dr. Hinot from the University of Hawaii, I'm assuming you had spoken to him earlier in the day when you were talking about this photo to us.
You didn't say anything on the air about it.
I was wondering if you had asked him if when they image Hailbop, now that it's back in view again, if they were going to maybe you had to ask him that they would send you a picture by themselves.
And pile it is, boy, I tell you, we're doing our best.
That's a big problem for me.
The amount of mail and email and faxes and so forth, you know, it's getting a little out of hand.
Dear Art, you're not honest, in quotes.
You are holier than them, in quotes.
You accept parts and letters all the time from unknown sources of very dubious value and then post them on your website willy-nilly.
If the government called and demanded you name your sources, would you give it to them, regardless of the authenticity?
I think not.
Well, listen, that's true, I do.
But when specific scientific claims are made regarding the authenticity of something, and then it is proven not to be authentic, then there is no choice to do but what we did.
There is simply no choice.
And if you're concerned about credibility, mine or anybody else's, be concerned about how credible it would be if we didn't tell you the truth.
All right?
And if something put up on my website, no matter how whimsical, and we do put a lot of whimsical stuff up there, is proven to be incorrect, we say so.
Or let you judge it for yourself.
Or we say in the first place, this is not an authenticated anything.
It's simply really interesting.
Take a look and see what you think.
Regarding the photograph put up there, there were very, very specific claims made about it.
Still not done yet, but I did call up mainly to talk about the Courtney Brown thing.
Okay.
My question is, if Courtney Brown has predictable, reliable remote viewing, why doesn't he take the bogus photograph and use it to remote view the person who basically made the photograph?
I mean, that would certainly prove the authenticity of remote viewing.
If he remote viewed it and he saw some technician perpetrating the fraud and identified who it was and made that public and then that was proven, that would certainly authenticate remote viewing, no doubt about it.
Okay, I wanted to commend you for keeping to your what you said that you would display what what would happen over the years or you know the picture and such.
But I also commend Courtney Brown because he said from the beginning that he wasn't going to release that name of the person, which people are questioning his trust.
I wonder how we, what do you suppose the president would say to that?
Well, we tried to keep the cost down.
Now, it is valid that we have an inauguration and that the public portion of that, not all the parties, but the public portion of that, be, I suppose, from the public coffers.
But you would try to keep the cost down as best you could.
You could get me up way too much, too late at night.
But I do enjoy the program.
Thank you.
I have listened to you talking about remote viewing for the last few weeks, but I must have missed something, and I have a question for you.
To the best of your knowledge, is remote viewing, does it happen in detail and in real time so that if I was able to do this, say, at 4.30 on the West Coast to remote view a friend of mine on the East Coast, having breakfast at 7.30 their time, I could see exactly what they were having for breakfast and hear the discussions going on?
It's just amazing to sit there and look at these things and how they can keep track of time.
And it's a mechanical invention that man came up with.
Well, I have actually, now that you've raised it, thank you, a question for the entire audience.
Of my mighty collection old clocks, I have a number of them that are operated by, you know, like A batteries or, you know, they're operated by batteries.
And every now and then I have a failure in the sense that it will lose up to half an hour.
All of a sudden, it will stop working.
Now, the only reason that I'm mentioning this to you is because all the clocks that are operated by batteries are affected in exactly the same way in my home.
It is a real oddity.
It is as though, I mean, how can that be?
These are independent power sources.
Unless it's some sort of radiation, that's what I thought about.
You know, I'm a ham operator, and maybe some sort of radiation is affecting the electronic mechanism.
That's possible.
But it's happened on days when I have not been transmitting on shortwave or anything else.
And so I wonder if anybody out there has had a similar difficulty.
Battery-operated clocks suddenly failing for similar periods of time at exactly the same time.
Just a question.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Jeff in Tri-City, Oregon.
Yes, sir.
Hey, I'm a truck driver.
I was out heading east in, I think, just east of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
And it was just at sun up.
Right.
And you could see, I figured it was Hailbop right away.
You could see it was a streak.
It was a little elongated and it had a brighter point at the left side.
Yeah, it's been, thank you very much, a very rough year, weather-wise.
It is going to be worse.
This is not a long-term prediction, nor is it something gleaned through some great remote viewing or psychic ability, because I have none of the above.
I just think that the weather is going to continue to worsen.
That is to say, to become more severe.
The hurricane seasons, worse.
More tornadoes in North America were particularly prone.
More incredible amounts of rain or snow.
Colder than it ought to be, hotter than it ought to be.
Well, I guess the original stuff was really bad because it was just like, you know, water, liquid, and it flowed that easily, and of course, it hardened immediately.
So you're doomed.
All right, sir, thank you very much for the call.
I've tried, and I love super glue.
I mean, I use it for a variety of things.
Super glue is wonderful.
Except it is not possible to use it without booing yourself.
Then you're sitting there going, all right, pulling it off.
Acetone, sure, but I mean, then, you know, it's pretty rough on your skin.
Well, I would like to know, you know, if there's anybody else that has found anything like this.
I know that there've been a I started listening to your show a couple of months ago and thought I would see if there was anybody else that had found any types of strange impact craters or any kind of tree.
We even found trees that were twisted in half and burn marks up in the tops of the trees.
A couple months, I guess it was six, seven months ago, just before you went on your trip, your boat cruise, in Parkland County, Florida, there was an attack on a car.
I think that Courtney Brown has an obligation to come forth with the name of the astronomer, because if he does not, I think a lot of people are going to agree with me there never was an astronomer to begin with that supposedly took these pictures.
That is going to be one major conclusion of a lot of people.
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And I believe there is something to remote viewing, probably, that the techniques practiced by Courtney Brown, according to Major Dames, are not the proper ones, and probably he would be a better person to talk to about the subject.
All right, well, we're happy to hear it, and we thank the AudioNet people in Dallas.
Thank you very much.
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You bet.
And hey, don't forget the United States is still the best country in the world, even though I may not like policies and some of the living conditions there.
As far as freedom, it is a very free place, I think.
As they say, a picture is a thousand words, and that photograph of Spaceship Dow will go down forever and ever as one of the great classics in my mind.
unidentified
Did he tell you that he worked for Boeing aircraft?
Well, he, it's one thing I forgot to tell you, but he told me that he worked for Boeing years ago among his other million things he wanted to talk about.
But a couple more things I was wanting to talk to you about is, let's see here.
About the time traveler.
Oh, yes.
You know, it's kind of a shame that people base their opinions on somebody who is just not a good public speaker.
If somebody is not a polished speaker, they form an opinion.
It's just the way it is.
However, I predicted after that show that I would get more mail and email about it than anything I had done in a long time, and that is exactly what occurred.
It's still coming in.
I mean, people are as fascinated, interested, delighted, or angered by it as they can be.
And so that made it a good show.
It was a good show.
And if I find somebody else with another time machine, I will interview them.
But what I'm saying is, for them to actively investigate something or for it to be worth their while, they would have to know what would still be going on now.
But I think even they could go just outside the house and see if there's any kind of strange forces or any kind of activity because the yard beside it used to be an old hanging tree.
There's three trees in the yard, and one of them used to be the hanging tree back in the 1800s.
Yes.
And because next door to the house was the old courthouse in jail.
And he was asking if anybody else, you know, he talked about the trees and all the rest of it.
unidentified
Yeah, I can't explain the trees, but back in the mid 1800s, all the way up to the 1930s, people used to dig holes in the ground looking for gold and pile the dirt up around the hole.
And if there's dirt piled up around the hole, it's probably an old gold mine.
So there's some not a mine, but there's just like Yeah, that's why I would say the trees.
So I appreciate your submission, sir, but it does not explain the scorched, even broken and twisted trees, as though something came slamming down into the earth.
This problem has nothing to do with comets or remote viewing.
This is an issue of character, and yours, my friend, has proven to be intact.
If one could say as much for the astronomer or Courtney Brown, both of them would be resting comfortably tonight instead of pacing the floor, and you can bet they are, waiting for their respective reputations to come crashing down.
Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on truth and your word.
Both are alive and doing well, and that's the whole point.
That's the message that's loud and clear.
Gerald and Rancho Mirage.
Thank you.
I hope that is correct, and I believe it to be.
I told you the truth about this from the get-go to the get-in, whatever the end is.
If there can be a get-go, there should be a get-end, right?
West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified
Hello, Arcel.
Hello.
I sent you something about the alien autopsy a little while ago.
Well, my premise is, quite simply, you know, with what we know of physics today, where for every action there's an opposite and equal reaction, do you agree?
Right.
All right, and there's a good side and an evil side.
Now, what I'm going to present here, I hope, will make some sense.
I've been thinking about this for about two months now.
Excuse me.
And quite simply, where the Earth's solar system is located in the universe, you've seen that picture of the universe where you are here.
At the same time, we have created gods upon gods upon gods, going back, you know, from the earth, wind, and fire, and everything else to Mount Olympus with Zeus.
Now, what a farce that was.
Yes.
But if we took that time machine that you had on the other night and went back to the ancient Greece when Zeus was up on Mount Olympus and we told them they were all myths in the 21st century, what would happen to us?
I don't know.
I think we'd be shot or stabbed or whatever, torn apart, drawn and quartered.
If we could come back to Earth 3,000 or 4, 5,000 years from now and find out that everything that we've believed up to this point was still absurd.
Because if it's true that God did, to use our God Robert A. Heinleins, were discorporate himself and just spread himself all over the universe, quite simply, we could be, like I said, the actual creation of a very lonely devil.
Yeah, um, you know, I think he owes a lot more responsibility to, you know, 10 million listeners and people who buy his books than he does to an astronomer that perpetuated a fraud upon him.
Well, first of all, we don't know that the astronomer perpetuated the fraud.
That's trouble.
We don't know who did it.
He handed the photo, apparently, according to Courtney or to Prudence.
And they had hours and hours and hours of discussions about it all.
So they had to be fairly satisfied that they had something good in their hands.
At this point, without being able to follow the trail, and I'm utilizing what resources I have to try and follow the trail, the public is going to perceive just about what you're saying right now.
I heard you talking a little while ago this morning about Courtney Brown this weekend having told you that you knew only a tiny fraction, one thousandth of the story.
Now this seems to me that when he was on the radio with you Thursday night and he acted as though he really didn't know what was going on, he was really covering up.
All I would say is he does not know all he, he has not told all he knows.
Being left the way it is, I don't conclude anything except that I understand how the public is going to perceive it.
And for Courtney, it's very damaging.
Very damaging.
And I had a lot of, I had a, even though my weekends are very short, there were a lot of hours involved of introspection about everything that occurred.
I thought it over very hard, believe me.
And I reviewed my own actions very carefully, too.
Very carefully.
I don't like what happened.
Nobody can like what happened.
I know of no way to change what occurred.
I know that if I had never released that photograph, that it would never have been found to have been a fraud.
That's for sure.
But once it was released, and I still view that as the absolute proper action, and then once it was released, identified as a fraud, within hours I was on the air with it.
And I don't know of any other thing that I should have done or could have done.
I was bound by my word not to release that photograph to anybody until I finally released it publicly.
So it's not like I could go strolling into it, into some astronomer or some university with that photograph.
That would have certainly broken my word.
Particularly at the beginning.
And then by the time two months had gone by, I might as well just release it publicly.
First, I've been meaning to tell you the last few times I talked to you, I have a new sound for you.
See if you can play your screaming kitty with the voice diffuser.
Can you do that?
No.
Oh, I was thinking maybe if you could get one to work with the other, it would make a great sound.
The second thing is in looking at the Vatican Observatory and the history of it, I found the thing on the net that they started that in 1582 to study the scientific data required for the reform of the calendar, which I found very interesting.
That's just an offshoot because the one in Rome was too close to the light, you know, from the city, and they wanted better air, and they wanted better viewing.
When I checked into a bunch of the people that they've got with this, they're mathematicians, they're physicists, and a lot of them became Jesuits after they had done their work in mathematics and physics.
I was just wondering, do you feel that you bear much responsibility for allowing the propagation of that fraud without properly checking it out yourself?
No, and if the question is, would I put on a similar claim, for example, based on similar evidence?
The answer is yes, I would.
You would, I mean, without checking out your shows.
unidentified
And I mean, the reason I bring this up is when I was listening to some of your listeners over the months and all that, some of these people really put a lot of hope on this, which is kind of ridiculous.
It's kind of sad.
They're putting so much hope on, you know, some spaceship, the rapture machine, and all this coming down.
We have all this life on this planet that's going flying into extinction faster than even the Cretaceous extinction 65 million years ago.
And people don't really care too much about our species, but they're thinking about life on other planets.
Well, to answer your question directly, given the level of the person who approached me, a professor, tenure, at Emory, which is a gigantic university, prestigious, and as much evidence as he did supply, which was a photograph, yes, I would put the story on the air again today.
unidentified
I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to wait till April 1st and tell you April 4th and add egg on everybody's face.
I would just hope that in the future that before you put paranormal stories on and all that, because it seems like there's a lot of people that are going to be able to do that.
Major Dames is all filled up and has been for a long time.
It shows you how carefully people listen.
They don't listen to what's...
That was Major Ed Dames.
And he doesn't take new people into his school.
Now, did people go and take the Farsight course?
Maybe some did.
I don't know.
But if you're looking at the financial gain aspect of it, the long-term damage is going to far, far, far exceed the whatever short-term gain there might have been for the Institute, I'm sure.
My own personal view is that it basically is our invention.
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It really is because it's an illusion in a certain extent to each individual.
In fact, it's been proven that a clock, two clocks that are perfectly in sync, if one is above the other in altitude, the one on the bottom will run slower.
What I'm doing, Rose, is I'm having open lines because I realize people want to hash this out.
So I'm going to let it burn itself out.
unidentified
Right.
Well, I give thought about this.
I listened to the program when it was on.
I listened to the rerun of it.
And one of the, you know, when this originally happened, when he called in and told about this photo and he sent the copy to you, I was thrilled because I thought, finally, a scientist has got enough guts to come forward against the community and give out information that they have that everybody else is trying to ignore or explain away.
Okay, and then I know from the very beginning, from that very first show, you said that you would release it if he didn't come forward within a reasonable time.
Okay, now I know that there was a great difference between the story that Courtney Brown saw with his remote queuing and Ed Dames saw with his on the airplane crash.
Also, I know Ed was a little bit upset because Courtney changed the way that he did the remote queuing.
So Ed admitted that he changed the way he did it from the way he was taught.
But anyway, if somebody wanted to discredit Courtney Brown so that people would not listen to him and would possibly listen to Ed, because Ed has worked for the government.
I believe he said he still does at times work for the government.
Okay?
If they wanted to discredit him so that they wouldn't listen to what he said, then you became a tool to do this.
That this was planted.
If it's something that big, then it would be next to impossible if we had the name of the astronomer to go back and try to find out where it came from.
Even if Courtney Brown wasn't going to give us the name, Courtney Brown could certainly himself go to the astronomer now and say, who gave you that photograph?
And he's saying he is not going to attempt to prove anything one way or the other with either the photographs, you know, the negatives that they've still got in their hand, for heaven's sakes, or pursuing the astronomer to find out where the photograph came from.
I have a real problem with that.
unidentified
Right, I understand that.
And the thing that bothers me is that because that, you know, it's human nature to do this, that it's kind of like I feel like we should say, okay, this was a forgery.
Acknowledge it, accept it, and say, okay, but I am not going to allow that forgery to prevent me from being able to listen to what Courtney Brown has to say about the remote viewing of whatever he does.
I want to be able to judge what I hear from him on his own merits my own intelligence.
And you can.
Well, you know, if he doesn't come on the show, then I don't know how I would have access to it.
But I just, you know, I hope that people can, you know, I know that there's going to be a lot of people that's going to say, okay, all of this stuff, everything, since this is a forgery, everything he said is done.
Well, thank you for being there, and I hope that he straightens this out and comes forth because it isn't right that the public should be left robbed of information that he may be able to give.
Well, they do that on a fairly regular basis without intelligence.
All right, thank you very much.
At least seven people, I knew it, are dead and ten seriously injured following two powerful earthquakes in China.
The quakes were only about a minute apart.
They rocked China's northwestern province, causing houses to collapse and apartment buildings to crack.
In one town, the Tumblers knocked down the surrounding wall of a police detention center, but inmates remained locked in their cells.
So there you've got it.
It was in the six-point-something range, and that size of an earthquake in China, even in relatively uninhabited areas, can be very deadly.
Dear Art, you've been talking about your love of clocks.
I don't know if I love them.
Here's a joke for you.
A man passed away and was at the gate of St. Peter's, St. Peter, and there he was saying, let me give you a tour.
So the man walked with him into an auditorium where the walls were literally lined with clocks.
The man said, what's with all the clocks on the wall?
St. Peter said, each person has a certain amount of time on earth, and the clocks record that time.
The man looked and said, why do all the clocks show different times?
St. Peter said, again, each person is allowed a certain amount of time on earth, and each time they lie, their clock runs faster, and their time is shortened.
The man looked at the ceiling and saw a big clock with its hands literally twirling around and around and asked, What about that clock up there?
And no matter what he says in the future, I said, unless he comes forth with information indicating where we can, in other words, where this fraud came from.
Well, before you give that, again, I want to say whatever short-term gain there might have been with regard to book sales or whatever, I mean, a lot of guests I have sold books, even most of them, as a matter of fact, certainly is going to be offset by a long-term loss that is far greater as a result of this.
unidentified
That's correct.
Yeah.
When I heard your interview with him and Whitney the other night, is it Whitney or Whitley?
Well, well, I'm saying, how we can make him talk, get all your listeners in the Atlanta area over Brown Emory University, have them start filing frivolous lawsuits against them.
They were walking down the street, Well, that's as bad as that's awful.
Sir, that's absolutely awful.
And you're stooping to a level that you should not be stooping to.
This is from Bill, who is a ham, and who I believe runs the amateur radio newsline.
Art, your idea of creating a new micro-broadcasting ban makes sense, but I doubt that it would satisfy the current crop of micro-broadcasters like Stephen Dunofer, Radio Free Berkeley.
This is because it would be years before there'd be an audience to hear the broadcast.
And as I understand, most micro-broadcasters want to attract existing audiences.
I suspect they would be the most vocal in opposition.
Also, the ITU International Radio Telecommunications Conference.
Well, My comment would be that you might be right, and it might not satisfy them.
That doesn't mean it's not a good idea ultimately, and that if implemented ultimately, it would not solve the problem.
And again, I feel like there is spectrum becoming available as more and more services begin to utilize satellites and various other forms of more reliable communications rather than HF.
I'm almost willing to bet on that well he talks about believing that as a matter of fact, he said it that why we were told that we would be slammed with disinformation He said that now if he is aware that this is disinformation designed to discredit him I
I cannot imagine a scenario where either publicly or privately he would not pursue clearing his name.
Can you?
unidentified
Well, like I say, I don't know.
I'm not walking in his shoes.
All I know is that I've met the man and talked with him, and I believe that he is a very high-principled man.
And if he is protecting somebody or not coming forth for a reason, he has those reasons, and I'm sure that they are good reasons.
I can't imagine what they could be either and I understand why people are coming forth and saying this and that about it.
Right and look the reason that I appeared so tough on him the other night was because I knew damn well the impression that was going to be left by his answers and that's why I pressed as hard as I did.
And I was right about that.
I mean if you listen to the phone calls and what's being said that's exactly the impression that was left and I'm not saying those people are wrong having gathered that impression based on what they heard.
unidentified
You're right.
I understand that too and I can understand that they are not aware that remote viewing does in fact work.
I took the classes.
It does work.
That's all I can say.
And him protecting this astronomer has nothing to do with remote viewing working.
And that's what's really frustrating for me because of being all put in one big ball of wax.
I too believe there is something to remote viewing.
I realize that all of this has had damaging effects not just on Courtney, not just on Prudence and the Foresight Institute, but remote viewing in general.
Perhaps less so to remote viewing in general, and more so to Courtney specifically.
The last few weeks he's been making an announcement that the Catholic Church through the Vatican is going to be making a startling announcement, as he puts it, in the next week or two.
And he's going to be covering that on his show.
And I thought it was fascinating, wondering if it was going to be tying in with Ed Dane's announcement on the 30th.
Well, you'll have to keep us informed because I can't get him here.
unidentified
He has lots of, what he does is read, at the beginning of his program, he reads the news of the week or the past several weeks, nation news, nationwide news, and worldwide news, and then reads Bible prophecy, how it fits in to the end times and things like that.
It's a very fascinating show, and one I can tolerate watching real easily.
The stuff with remote viewing, I think what hasn't been talked about is the fact that the damage has been done, we say, to the listeners, but we've gone out on a limb talking to the people we work with in our neighborhoods, talking about what they consider to be all this weird stuff.
And then we get the validation of having talked about it, and then it comes out in the news.
You know, see, I told you Art Dell talked about it.
Stuff with the frogs being a good example.
Right.
The comments and stuff.
So when we, being good people, have to go back and say, hey, you know, it came out.
It was a hoax.
We were defrauded.
Everybody's all upset.
You should have heard them going last night.
Real embarrassing.
The ones who were the holdouts, meaning the ones who didn't hear us being right and become Art Dell listeners, they said, see, told you, you're right, weirdos, and they stopped listening to what we're talking about.
and a lot of us believe that what we're talking about is kind of doing a public service and helping people out for what's coming.
But on the other hand, consider the cost if at some, if this had been sort of all washed under the carpet or swept under the carpet, I guess, not washed under, sweep it under.
And the truth had never come out or had come out in some other way, then there would have been real damage.
At least we are now seen as having followed the path as far as we can.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'm talking more, I guess, in terms of why it's still being talked about, why we're so hot about it and it's going on and on and on.
You know, we've been made to feel foolish as well.
It's not that it's going to change the way that we go about things, but we just had to say, well, we got it in our face.
We're admitting it.
That's the way it goes.
The thing with remote viewing is a what if for you, real quick on the remote viewing thing, is when we talk about remote viewing, we heard about it as the government project.
Public heard about it, and it was stopped, and not going to use our tax money to pay for this kind of weird stuff, sidekicks, et cetera.
You don't honestly think they're not still doing it, do you?
unidentified
That's my point.
We know, we say, oh, come on, yes, sure, the government quit it.
If it was working, if it was effective, no way the government would quit it.
It just went undercover.
It became another clandestine government operation, right?
So my what if is if we take that as the government project is still going on, they never had the stoppage in their work, their research, that the private sector had when they had to leave the project and start their own institutes and such.
So the government continued with its research.
So I'll assume that they're better at it than our private sector, all right?
Meaning Ed Daines and Courtney Brown.
Given that, isn't it possible that the government being better at it, knowing that Brown and Daines and the others is a real threat to them?
Because No More Secrets, every other project that's clandestine with the government is going to be exposed.
They've got to do something to stop it.
So mind-wise, thought-wise, even though they talk about when someone else is remote viewing, they know it, what if the government has overcome that problem and they're essentially jamming the circuits for the private remote viewers so that they're getting false impressions and false readings?
It would account for why we had the two remote viewers coming up with completely different answers.
And in fact, kind of a laugher, I called into that big boomer because for some reason or other yesterday at 4 a.m., very unusual for them, they put on somebody else, and then that guy for a whole hour just got one call.
He was the father of the NASA Air Weather Satellite Surveillance Program, now deceased, Professor Werner Suomi.
And he had some ideas on the causes of our weather anomalies.
But as you know, I've looked all over in Europe, etc., how weather has caused tribes to move about.
And you are right on the money, a lot of other people.
We may be approaching another, but it's going to be slow, slow process, another mini ice age, weather changes, tremendous changes occurring.
We'll have warm periods, colder periods.
And lastly, and very importantly, one of the tribes that may have been forced to move when it got colder, about 1,700 before the time of Christ, possibly, was a tribe called the Sedoni, the Sedukaiset, of which there are only 600 left on the Russian side of Estonia, or 300 on that side, 300 on the Estonia.
Well, I wanted to mention, would that affect a lot of the weather and a lot of Listen, I'm going to give you an opportunity from Hawaii to say goodnight, America.