Jan. 13, 1997 - Art Bell
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| Welcome to WEMJ in Guilford, New Hampshire. | ||
| Now they also, I believe, cover Laconia, New Hampshire, if that's pronounced correctly. | ||
| And we're glad to have you on board. | ||
| You have no idea what a weird experience you are in for. | ||
| We do strange things on this radio program, and tonight is going to be no exception. | ||
| As you know, I have an abiding interest in time travel, and I have had all my life. | ||
| I have connected with a man that you are about to hear who has a time machine. | ||
| As a matter of fact, he has sold time machines. | ||
| It's an interesting story. | ||
| It was covered by Strange Magazine, issue number 14. | ||
| His name is Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| And if you will go to my website, there will be a link there which will take you to the Strange Magazine story on Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| And that link is up there right now. | ||
| So that, if you want to do a little research on what you're about to hear, there it is in written form. | ||
| You can get there by going to my webpage at www.artbell.com. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| And we're all going to learn about this together because I only spoke with Steve Gibbs. | ||
| Well, better find out here. | ||
| Stephen, should I call you Stephen or Steve? | ||
| Oh, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Steve's all right. | ||
| Steve's all right. | ||
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unidentified
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All right, good. | |
| Steve, it shall be then. | ||
| Steve, when did you – You are not a scientist, are you? | ||
| Well, I'm an inventor. | ||
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unidentified
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Oh, okay. | |
| An inventor. | ||
| Let me ask you, you're not on a portable phone, are you, Steve? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| You're not, okay. | ||
| We've got a little hum online for some reason. | ||
| But we'll live with it. | ||
| All right, anyway. | ||
| So you're an inventor? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All your life? | ||
| No, not all my life. | ||
| I just got started into electronics back in 1981. | ||
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unidentified
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And that's a while ago. | |
| And from that point on, I just kind of added stuff to it. | ||
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unidentified
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So you're an inventor entrepreneur. | |
| That'd be fair. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| How did you get interested in time travel? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| It was back in the year 1981 when I thought I was contacted by one of my other doubles or counterparts. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| You mean yourself? | ||
| Yeah, from myself from some alternate future universe. | ||
| But I then later found out, well, it started out that with a letter that was dropped off at a video department store that how can I put it? | ||
| That was delivered to me by a man who worked at this video arcade store. | ||
| And he claimed that somebody dropped it off on his counter there while I was gone. | ||
| And I later stopped back. | ||
| Was this letter to you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This letter was supposedly from me, from my other self, from the future. | ||
| Yeah, from the future. | ||
| And it was really strange because as soon as I started reading it, chills just started going up and down my spine. | ||
| But I later found out at a later date that the letter was not written by my other self. | ||
| That in fact it was my other self who contacted the person that was working there to write me this letter that would motivate me to start to do research on this time travel stuff. | ||
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And from that, I'm going to go to the next one. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| How totally weird. | ||
| I mean, when you read this letter, did it reference enough things about you so that you knew whoever it was had to know you? | ||
| Yes, it did. | ||
| Well, it said stuff about pyramids and stuff like that, but it was enough to let me know that it was my other self. | ||
| Yeah, it was no question about it. | ||
| From how far in the future? | ||
| I would say it was from any time from 1992 on up to 1998 or 1999. | ||
| And that was received in 1981. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, that would sure get your attention. | ||
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That would sure get your attention. | |
| Hey, my skin, Carl. | ||
| So that, yeah, I can see how that would get you interested in time travel. | ||
| Let's be clear here to the folks. | ||
| There are a lot of people who talk about time travel, and they talk about time travel in the mind. | ||
| And I'm not saying that's not possible, but that's not exactly what we're talking about here, is it? | ||
| Well, there's different types of time travel. | ||
| There is physical time travel where you can move physically back and forwards through time. | ||
| Both directions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then there is quantum time travel, and that's where your soul can move into another one of your counterparts in a parallel universe. | ||
| Astral projection. | ||
| And then astral projection comes after that, and then mental time travel, which I suppose could be somewhat connected with astral projection. | ||
| But what you're talking about here, or what I'm primarily interested in, is you're telling me actual physical time travel is possible. | ||
| Yes, that's correct. | ||
| And you have a machine that can do that. | ||
| Yes, that's correct. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Before you got the circuit that allowed you to build this machine, how did you begin to reach out to try to figure out how to build or how to get a time machine? | ||
| Well, it started with an article that got published in a journal up in Canada, and some people, and the article was basically on time travel, and some people over in Fittsburgh, Massachusetts saw it, or this one person saw the article and contacted me by telephone. | ||
| And he went by the name of Jim Girards. | ||
| And then that was basically the person that at a later date sent me the schematic for what the device was first called the sonic resonator. | ||
| Sonic Resonator. | ||
| Yeah, and then it later evolved into the hyperdimensional resonator, which I now sell through this business that I have. | ||
| You sell time machines. | ||
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Yes. | |
| This is very cool. | ||
| Do they work? | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| All right, wait, I guess before we get to that, look, I'm a ham operator, so I'm somewhat, at least technically, competent. | ||
| I've been a microwave engineer, and I'm sort of curious what is this, as much, let's put it this way, as much as you're willing or can talk about, are there aspects of this that you don't let out proprietary, in other words, secret. | ||
| No, I don't keep any secrets from anybody. | ||
| I just tell them flat out what it can do and what it can't do. | ||
| All right, when I talked to you earlier today, it was very brief, but one of the things you did express was concern for your own safety. | ||
| Yeah, that too, a little bit. | ||
| I'm a little bit leery about making public appearances or going up to see somebody in person because I have encountered a lot of negative feedback from that area, and I've run into a lot of, should I say, people that you would not wish to talk to in person. | ||
| Why would they be unhappy with you? | ||
| Do they, I mean, what do they accuse you of? | ||
| Or what would make them feel antagonistic toward you? | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's it. | ||
| It could be any number of things. | ||
| I suppose one of the reasons why maybe perhaps that I'm getting some negative feedback there is because maybe the government doesn't want this information to be released to the public for the simple reason they're afraid that it might fall into the wrong hands. | ||
| Oh, I should say. | ||
| But by the same token, I really don't have nothing to worry about there because, like I told lots of other people, that these generators that I build and sell generate infinite amounts of tachyon particles, which deals with basically with pure white light energy. | ||
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Right? | |
| And if a person, so basically since the device is, the way I believe, is tuned into the creator, anybody who has bad intentions... | ||
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Tuned into the creator. | |
| Right there you've made a lot of antagonists. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I see. | ||
| But you see, anybody who has any bad intentions aren't going to be able to use a device for evil purposes because it is a concrete white light generator. | ||
| And so only the people who have pure intentions are going to get results. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, Strange Magazine did an article on you, issue number 14. | ||
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We've got a link on the webpage. | |
| So they apparently felt there was enough validity to what you're doing to send out a reporter and write a big story about you. | ||
| Was it a good story? | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| It was several pages long. | ||
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I would say something like three or four pages. | |
| The interview was all done on telephone, huh? | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Now the device itself. | ||
| You say it generates white light? | ||
| Yeah, pure white light energy. | ||
| White light energy. | ||
| Or tachyons. | ||
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Tachyons. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Pardon my ignorance. | ||
| What's a tachyon? | ||
| It's a time particle is what it is. | ||
| It's a little particle that basically has multi-dimensional properties which allows it to move through time. | ||
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All right. | |
| I would imagine it it deals pretty much with soft light particles or uh uh that that would be about the most I could uh explain on tachyons. | ||
| Well, there's basically well one other thing I could I could say would be that uh there are three different types of tachyons. | ||
| There's positive, negative, and zero tachyons. | ||
| And your positive ones go into the future, your negative ones go into the past, and the zero tachyons go into, I suppose, other dimensional realms or can lock on to other dimensions. | ||
| With your machine, if you want to go into the future, I mean I always, I remember the old H.G. Wells deal where you'd push a lever forward or reverse from a center point to go either ahead or behind in time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that the way it works or is yours a different setup? | ||
| Yeah, mine's a slightly bit different setup. | ||
| It's based on radionics. | ||
| What it does, it takes your soul energies, steps it up through the zero vector, and then converts it into two points of resonance. | ||
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unidentified
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Yikes. | |
| And when it creates two point, and whenever you have two points of resonance, you always get a time warm. | ||
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Always. | |
| At least this is what my equation has stated. | ||
| All right, sorry. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| You lost me. | ||
| So if you lost me, you lost some others. | ||
| Let's start at the beginning. | ||
| You said our soul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it steps up the soul energies that you transmit into it. | ||
| Well, once you get the stick on the rubbing plate, it has a stick on the rubber. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, see, stick on the rubbing plate. | |
| Hold on. | ||
| Let's go through the first thing you said. | ||
| You said our soul, which I believe is an electrical thing of energy. | ||
| There's energy in our soul. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| So does this receive that energy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It receives the energy. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And then does what with it? | ||
| It steps it up through the diode circuit, which is built inside of the circuit, or built inside of the box. | ||
| And then after it steps it up, it divides it. | ||
| All right, again, I'm going to stop you. | ||
| I'm going to stop you because I really, really, really want to understand this. | ||
| We're at the half-hour break. | ||
| Just relax. | ||
| When I come back, I'm going to ask you what frequency our souls operate at. | ||
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You know, Kenneth, hey, Kenneth, what is the frequency? | |
| I think that's the first thing we've got to know. | ||
| Stephen Gibbs is my guest. | ||
| We're going to talk tonight about a time machine. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
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We'll be right back. | |
| This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| Tonight's topic is cool. | ||
| We're talking with Stephen Gibbs, Steve Gibbs. | ||
| And Steve Gibbs has a time machine, a real time machine. | ||
| And we're going to slow him down. | ||
| We're going to find out, if we can, exactly how this thing works. | ||
| And by the way, I can see a picture of Steve Gibbs here because if you'll go to my website, www.artbell.com, you will see a jump point. | ||
| And you can go over and take a good look at not only Steve, but or is that the author? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| And there's an article here about Stephen Gibbs, a man who built a time machine. | ||
| And it will give you details. | ||
| I'm getting a lot of faxes already. | ||
| How do we find out more about this? | ||
| How do we get one? | ||
| We'll get to that, I suppose. | ||
| But they want to know more. | ||
| So obviously, go to my website, jump over, and read the article written about Steve Gibbs in Strange Magazine. | ||
| It's up there. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let me find out here right now. | ||
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Steve? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that photograph of you? | ||
| Yeah, if that's just the picture of my face. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| They sort of put a blue circle around face. | ||
| Kind of interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, well, there you are. | ||
| I'll be doggone. | ||
| Anyway, getting back to where we were, our soul, our being, our energy, what frequency do you know that to be? | ||
| Well, I think our souls oscillate at around 7.8 hertz cycles per second. | ||
| Sounds about right. | ||
| 7.8 hertz. | ||
| I believe, you know, I've done interviews. | ||
| Have you ever heard of HAARP? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| The HAARP Project in Alaska, I've interviewed Dr. Nick Begich and others, and they too talk about frequencies in this range. | ||
| 7.8 Hertz, way, way down there. | ||
| All right, so your device picks up this frequency, the 7.8 Hz, and then does what with it? | ||
| Well, it takes your solar energy or the frequency and steps it up through the diode circuit. | ||
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Right. | |
| As you would like a doubler? | ||
| In other words, you can use diodes. | ||
| That's a double voltage, for example. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, there's no doubler in it. | ||
| What it does, It takes these energies and it divides it into an ACBC field. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And this sets up two points of resonance. | ||
| And whenever you have two points of resonance, according to my time equation, you end up creating a time orb. | ||
| And after this frequency has gone through this circuit, it is then transmitted, well, basically it's stepped up to the zero vector after the frequency is divided. | ||
| Okay, there's where he lost me. | ||
| Zero vector. | ||
| What is a zero vector? | ||
| Zero vector is referred to some scientists as the sphere or what I refer to as the creator. | ||
| Is that anything like zero point energy? | ||
| Yeah, that would be on the same basis, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's fascinating. | ||
| And that makes sense. | ||
| All right, so 7.8 Hertz to diodes to zero point, I'm sorry, zero vector? | ||
| Yeah, it transfers it through the zero vector out of the diode circuit and on into an electromagnet which hooks up to the machine. | ||
| An electromagnet? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What kind? | ||
| Just a electromagnet with 21 gauge magnet wire wrapped around a steel core. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And how much voltage or current applied to it? | ||
| It's 110 volts. | ||
| 110 volts? | ||
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AC. | |
| AC then. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This device just hooks right up to an ordinary outlet. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You know, this, so far, this makes sense to me. | ||
| As long as I'm able to stop you and find out what it means, so far it actually does make sense to me. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So you've got an electromagnet acting in what way? | ||
| In other words, influencing, putting a field around all of this, or what is the electromagnet acting on? | ||
| See, the electromagnet acts to transmit the soul energies, which were stepped up through the circuit, and then it is then, in other words, it transmits the energy then into your stomach chakra, which is done when you place the electromagnet over the stomach region. | ||
| Oh, so you actually, you take this machine and you place it near your stomach? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You place the open end of the electromagnet over the stomach region, and then that transmits the energies into the stomach chakra, which then conditions your soul and aura for time travel. | ||
| This basically programs your soul to initiate the commands. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You have, well, let's go back to the first time you finally got this machine together. | ||
| How many failures did you have before you succeeded, before you got it right? | ||
| None, actually. | ||
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Got it right the first time. | |
| And that was because you got the schematic from somebody else. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I was thinking, you know, when I got the schematic, wouldn't it be a nifty idea if instead of just using it for time travel, that it could also be converted into a radionics machine, which could be used not only for healing and for increasing a person's psychic abilities, but for tuning them into the crater as well. | ||
| I now begin to see why you're in trouble with a lot of people. | ||
| In other words, you're in touch with the God force. | ||
| And there are a lot of people out there who are going to go, well, I can't repeat what they would say. | ||
| Well, I hope so. | ||
| But yeah, I know, I now understand perfectly. | ||
| All right. | ||
| When then was the first success of actual physical time travel? | ||
| The first actual belt physically through time I would say was in the month of October in 1986. | ||
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October of 86. | |
| And I was working with a hyperdimensional resonator at that time, sonic resonator. | ||
| By the way, did you have any help or were you doing this all by yourself? | ||
| I was doing this all by myself. | ||
| And your family and your friends, did you tell them what you were working on? | ||
| Yeah, but my mother thought I was full gain. | ||
| She did, huh? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Your own mother? | ||
| You mean your own mother? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How disappointing. | ||
| Yeah, well, she has an open mind. | ||
| Otherwise, she probably wouldn't allow me to do research on this stuff. | ||
| But she doesn't like to let people know. | ||
| In other words, she doesn't tell the neighbors over coffee. | ||
| My son, the time machine maker and traveler. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| All right. | ||
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unidentified
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Do you still live with your family? | |
| Yes, I do. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| And we're not going to give your exact location, or maybe you are. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, if people wish to, you know. | ||
| But you're out on a catalog or something, you know. | ||
| Oh, you have a catalog. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| You're out on a farm, right? | ||
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unidentified
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Yep. | |
| And is that where you've done the work on the farm? | ||
| Yeah, basically, yeah. | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Do you have, like, a workshop or, I don't know, a time travel room or... | ||
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It's down in the basement where I built the machines at. | |
| And then I do the finishing touches in my office room upstairs here. | ||
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unidentified
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I see. | |
| Getting ready to ship off. | ||
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How many time machines have you manufactured? | |
| I would imagine well over 100 since 1986. | ||
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So there could be 100 time travelers out there. | |
| Oh, yeah, definitely. | ||
| Oh, my. | ||
| Problem of it is the reason why I don't have more feedback on them is because the ones that usually end up using them don't stay around very long. | ||
| They end up disappearing to some other time. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| Just as a matter of idle curiosity, of the people that you've talked to who want to do physical time travel, and you know, we'll get into the cases, but do most of them, I'm curious, want to go forward or reverse in time? | ||
| Most of the time they want to go back into Earth's past to get away from it all. | ||
| Yeah, I understand that. | ||
| They realize that there are some upcoming Earth changes that they just would rather not go through. | ||
| Oh, boy, does that ever make sense? | ||
| Is there any favorite period of time, would you say, that, you know, talking to a bunch of people? | ||
| I mean, when somebody calls you up, I don't know how they hear about you. | ||
| Maybe the article in Estrange Magazine. | ||
| Is that mostly how people have heard about your machine? | ||
| Well, I also advertise, yeah, that's part of it, but then I also advertise through Fate magazine, Nexus. | ||
| Oh, you do? | ||
| And then through, oh, there was another one, Alternate Perceptions. | ||
| And those plus my advertisement up on the website with my interviews, basically. | ||
| Well, what I was going to, I was beginning to ask, you know, when you talk to all of these people, however it is they've heard about you, does there seem to be a favorite time segment for people to go back to? | ||
| It seems like a lot of people like the 1500s the best. | ||
| 1500s? | ||
| For the simple reason the ecology back in those days was extremely well. | ||
| Everything was virgin. | ||
| And I mean the air was clean. | ||
| People, I've talked with people over in California who said that the people that go back to those periods don't ever want to come back because everybody's so kind and loving towards one another. | ||
| Well, that's pretty much true. | ||
| But I mean, people even back then were getting run through with swords like that. | ||
| But I suppose it depends on, you know, that's probably a lot of pop culture. | ||
| I mean, even then, it wasn't all sword fighting. | ||
| It was, I'm sure, there were a lot of really wonderful places to live. | ||
| The entire structure of family and society was utterly different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there was one person who I sold a unit to, went by the name of Khalil Lutfi, lived in Chicago, Illinois. | ||
| You're being heard in Chicago right now. | ||
| What was his name? | ||
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Khalil Lutfi. | |
| It's spelt K-A-L-I-L-U-T-F-I. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And he had bought a machine from me, and he had the most incredible doggaunt experiences I've ever heard of in connection with this machine other than this Michael Francis Mazurkowitz who, you know, used it also for physical time travel. | ||
| All right, well, we'll get to him. | ||
| What about the fellow from Chicago? | ||
| Yeah, well, anyhow, he last I heard from him, he was thinking about activating it over a grid point with the help from his sister. | ||
| And they were planning on, I guess, going back to the time period of the Greeks to live there. | ||
| Because he had journeyed back there astrally and really liked it there. | ||
| He claimed he stayed there for something like a week before he returned back to his own physical body. | ||
| So in other words, a lot of people will use astral travel to sort of scout out a time period. | ||
| Yes, you could do it like that, yes. | ||
| But anyhow, the last I heard from him, he was going down to Idaho, and after that, he disappeared into thin air, and nobody knew where he went. | ||
| Okay, now here's one little problem that I see, just from a practical point of view. | ||
| Now, when you sell machines to people and they sort of more or less disappear, sometimes I would think the family and friends of the disappeared would be concerned and that the police would be concerned. | ||
| In other words, these people, they're gone, right? | ||
| And that amounts to at least, at the very least, a missing person report, I would think, and some sort of investigation on the part of the police that might even imagine foul play. | ||
| Has that ever been an issue? | ||
| No, not without anything. | ||
| Or, I mean, do even family members call you up? | ||
| Something like, hi, Stephen, I'm so-and-so. | ||
| My son bought a time machine from you, and he seems to be gone. | ||
| It's really, yeah, I can understand what you're getting at. | ||
| Generally, the people that buy these from me are either, well, I see that the person by the name of Kyle Luke who bought the machine from me, he was an orphan to begin with. | ||
| And he was staying with a he was staying at a halfway place that was run by a bunch of nuns over in Chicago. | ||
| And so when he disappeared, there was no family concern on his behalf. | ||
| Well, now that makes sense. | ||
| It also makes sense that people who would want to time travel are probably dissatisfied or not very well connected in this time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that would make sense. | ||
| It seems like a lot of the people that I run up against are people that are separated from their family, bad disagreements. | ||
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Yep. | |
| No, that's totally logical. | ||
| Totally logical. | ||
| Otherwise, with connections, a family, a wife, friends, community involvement, why would you want to leave? | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So these are people who just basically want out. | ||
| Have you ever run into anybody who wants to go forward? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, I've run into some people who have wanted to see what the 21st century would be like. | ||
| I think that's where one guy, a solar unit, went to in Australia. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, this guy had bought a unit from me back in, I think it was 92 or 93. | ||
| And he had bought a ton of crystals from me to use in connection with it. | ||
| I mean, he bought something like, oh, geez, must have been $50 or $60 worth of double-terminated quartz crystals to use in connection with it because he wanted to be guaranteed the assurance that he was going to go physically to be done. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| Look, we will get to that. | ||
| We're at the top of the hour. | ||
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unidentified
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Relax. | |
| You've got several minutes. | ||
| Grab a cup of coffee. | ||
| We'll come back and continue with this. | ||
| Time travel. | ||
| This is a man who manufactures, has built, and now manufactures time machines. | ||
| Real physical time machines. | ||
| His name is Stephen Gibbs. | ||
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I'm Mark Bell, and this is CBC. | |
| This is the CBC Radio Network. | ||
| I'm talking tonight with a man who has built a time machine. | ||
| You don't believe it, do you? | ||
| Steve Gibbs. | ||
| Stephen Gibbs is his name. | ||
| Strange Magazine did a very extensive article on him, and we have a link to it on our webpage. | ||
| So if you want to know more about his time machine, and we're going into great detail here, that's right, I said time machine. | ||
| Then go to my webpage and you'll see a jump link to the article all about Steve Gibbs right now. | ||
| It's hard to go into the last hour completely, but to recap, Steve Gibbs lives on a farm in the Midwest. | ||
| Steve has a workshop in the basement, a finishing area in the top of his house. | ||
| He makes time machines. | ||
| And I know this will sound like some gibberish, I guess. | ||
| Steve, you correct me if I'm wrong, but the mind or the soul operates at about 7.8 Hertz, which is logical to me because it's the heart frequency or very near it. | ||
| And just about everybody I've had on has agreed that our brain works at about that frequency. | ||
| Then your device then goes to diodes, which somehow, let's see if I can remember, divide this frequency into an AC, DC component, respectively. | ||
| It then goes to what's called the zero vector. | ||
| Or stepped up through the zero vector. | ||
| Stepped up through the zero vector or otherwise known as zero point energy. | ||
| This audience will know about that. | ||
| And then the whole thing is affected by an electromagnet, which is how many turns of wire? | ||
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Well, I don't know how many turns is on it. | |
| It has 21 gauge magnet wire on it. | ||
| Okay, and you're activating that with 110 AC? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And then that electromagnet fits over the stomach region, or should I say the open-ended electromagnets fits over the stomach region. | ||
| Do you hold it there or do you strap it there? | ||
| You just hold it. | ||
| It has some handles on the electromagnet that you just simply hold it in place. | ||
| Like you were degausing your belly or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| When the soul and the aura are thereby affected and time travel, if you're... | ||
| That is an area of magnetic anomaly or what? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's basically an area where the gravitational ley lines intersect one another. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| are there many of these? | ||
| Yeah, they're all around. | ||
| The only problem of it is only certain types can transport you physically through time. | ||
| Generally, the ones that are capable of doing this are the ones where UFOs are sighted over. | ||
| Somehow that figures. | ||
| This all began when Stephen received a letter that he thought was from himself, and in fact, really in a way was from himself, written by somebody else, delivered to a video store way back in 1981, in effect telling him to proceed with this. | ||
| So he got a schematic from a guy, where? | ||
| From Pittsburgh, Massachusetts. | ||
| And that was a schematic of this machine. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Now, there is a man in Chicago who bought one of these machines, and he's gone. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| You've sold 100 machines. | ||
| Over 100. | ||
| Over 100. | ||
| How many of those people do you think are just gone? | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Just a guess. | ||
| Just a guess. | ||
| I would imagine over 36. | ||
| I would say anywhere from 36 to 50 people. | ||
| Now, these are people that are gone, gone, and they're not coming back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, not everybody's interested in time travel. | ||
| They buy these machines from. | ||
| Some just buy them for the simple reason of either increasing their psychic abilities or else in connection with just, you know, like help healing people. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I am particularly interested in the time travel aspect of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, if I wanted to time travel with this, could I do it? | ||
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Oh, yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| All you have to do is locate your grid point using a pair of dowsing rods. | ||
| Dowsing rods are used, you know, like to locate. | ||
| Oh, I know what they are. | ||
| My wife can dowse. | ||
| So you locate a grid point, which is where the dowsing rods come together. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, then there's a lot of them. | ||
| Now, dowsing rods are used generally to find water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you were trucking along with some dowsing rods and they came together, how do you know whether you found a grid point or water, or would they be the same? | ||
| I would say they could almost be the same, depending on the strength of the Vortex. | ||
| He would... | ||
| I don't know if there would be any ones that were created by water, I don't think, would be as strong as the grid sites that were created from quartz deposits. | ||
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Quartz, yes. | |
| You mentioned crystals earlier. | ||
| Are crystals used to enhance the effect of all this somehow? | ||
| Well, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I usually, well, the unit can do pretty much everything by itself, but once in a while, somebody might not, might need a little bit more energy in order to accomplish this. | ||
| And so what I do, I usually send a double-terminated quartz crystal with every unit that I send out. | ||
| A double-terminated quartz crystal? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What would that be? | ||
| That's a crystal with two points on it. | ||
| Oh, one on each end. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right. | ||
| Does that actually physically attach to the unit or simply need to be – It's inserted into the witness well and it's designed to step up the light energies a little bit more. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Well, that would make sense, too. | ||
| Crystals are used, I believe, to amplify lasers, aren't they? | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| There's an interesting, see, the reason why I use double-terminated quartz crystals is because they have some interesting time harmonics built right into them. | ||
| Which actually, if you've got a large enough double-terminated quartz crystal, you could just simply locate your grid point and just take the crystal with you. | ||
| And use that. | ||
| And use that to travel physically through time. | ||
| Just simply by programming the crystal to transport you to whatever date you wanted to go to. | ||
| Now there's another question. | ||
| With your machine, how do you determine, you talked about tachyons. | ||
| That's one point that I left out, tachyons. | ||
| How do you determine which direction you're going to go and how far? | ||
| That's determined radionically. | ||
| In other words, let's say, for example, you want to travel to like January 27, 1957. | ||
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Right. | |
| So after you place the time coils around your head, which hooks up to the hyper-resonator. | ||
| Or you've got to put these around your head. | ||
| Well, there's time coils that hook up to the unit that fits around your head, plus there's an electromagnet that hooks up to it also. | ||
| But once you've got the headband placed or coils around your head, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates while you're stroking the rubbing plate? | ||
| The rubbing plate acts as a pendulum. | ||
| And while you're stroking the rubbing plate and turning one or the other dials on it, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates that will transport my physical body and all of its components to January 27, 1957? | ||
| And as soon as you get a stick on the rubbing plate. | ||
| A stick? | ||
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No. | |
| What do you mean a stick? | ||
| It's when your fingers stick while you're stroking it. | ||
| Oh, I see, I see. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| As soon as you get a stick, then that means that the rate has been found. | ||
| You stop turning the top dial. | ||
| Then you go to the second dial and do the same as before. | ||
| There's two dials on the machine. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And once you get a stick for both dials, then the coordinates are already set into the machine. | ||
| And then all you have to do now is to activate it over a grid point on the day of the full moon. | ||
| On the day of the full moon. | ||
| Yeah, and then position the electromagnet, open end of the electromagnet over the stomach chalker, and it should transport you within less than three minutes. | ||
| In other words, goodbye. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Two minutes and 45 seconds to do it. | ||
| Two minutes and 45 seconds, and you're on your way. | ||
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Yep. | |
| What is it like, I've got a million questions, beginning with, what is it like to travel in time? | ||
| In other words, when that two minutes and 45 seconds elapses and you're someplace else, do you feel the transition? | ||
| Is it like an NDE where you go down some long white tunnel or do you go through something? | ||
| Or are you just suddenly poof on the other end? | ||
| Well, according to the experiences of one person who I bought a unit from the Great Falls, Montana, he said that you first initially feel an earthquake. | ||
| An earthquake? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And then all of a sudden a huge white light will surround your physical body, but it's so fantastically bright that you cannot open your eyes. | ||
| And then things just fade out from under you and you start drifting through a void. | ||
| And then all of a sudden things afterwards, after you drift through this void for a certain period of time, then things just start forming around you again and you end up finding yourself at the time that you programmed into the unit. | ||
| What about places? | ||
| In other words, for example, if you're going to do this at a certain location, how do you know where you're going to pop out? | ||
| Is it at all worrisome where you're going to pop out on the other end? | ||
| You don't want to end up in the middle of a rock or a building or something like that. | ||
| Well, see, you'll pop out at the same location that you left. | ||
| I got you there. | ||
| But what if the location was not like it was? | ||
| I mean, if you go back to, say, 1500, you talked about some people that went back that far. | ||
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There could have been a castle there or something. | |
| Yeah, that's part of the danger. | ||
| But I think what would happen is the grid site would then move to a safer location is what would happen because they cannot, I don't think grid sites can occupy a solid object. | ||
| But I don't want to say that for certain. | ||
| So, you know, there is a certain element of danger involved in it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Now, of those that have gone on to whatever, how sure are you that these 35 people or more are not dead as doornails? | ||
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Well. | |
| Now, I don't mean dead here because we would have their charred little bodies. | ||
| I mean dead somewhere else. | ||
| Well, Michael Francis and Thurkowitz over in Grave Falls is able to jump back and then return safely. | ||
| And so I'm pretty certain that from that report and from what a few others have told me that they reached their destination point safely. | ||
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But I can't be certain about all of them. | |
| Some might have even gotten trapped in other dimensions for all I know. | ||
| A definite possible hitch. | ||
| There is a little bit of a danger there. | ||
| I haven't ever heard of anybody with a hyper-resonator getting trapped in other dimensions yet, but I suspect there might have been a few who may have had bad intentions and they suffered the consequences because of it. | ||
| In other words, you've got to go into this with good intentions. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| Now, let's say I had your machine and I wanted to go ahead to 1999 and take a look at the market and see what was up, what was down, what stocks would be good to buy, and then come back and thusly invest my money. | ||
| Would that be considered bad or even greedy intentions? | ||
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Gosh, it could be. | |
| I don't know if there was any amount of evil connected with it. | ||
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Evil. | |
| Or should I say a tremendous amount of greed connected with it? | ||
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Greed. | |
| All right. | ||
| Suppose that you knew that was my motivation. | ||
| I want to do that. | ||
| I want to go get stock price to make a million dollars. | ||
| And I came to you and I said, that's what I want. | ||
| I want, I want, I want, and I want to buy one of your machines, and that's what I'm going to do with it. | ||
| Would you sell it to me under those conditions? | ||
| Probably not, because I know right there that the guy probably wouldn't get results. | ||
| All right, hold it right there. | ||
| We'll be right back to you. | ||
| Steve Gibbs is my guest. | ||
| Stay right there. | ||
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This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | |
| Hi, this is Art Bell. | ||
| I've got a program called Coast to Coast AM. | ||
| It's all-night talk radio. | ||
| It's spontaneous. | ||
| It's things strange. | ||
| It's got some rough edges to it. | ||
| But it's what I think real talk radio is all about. | ||
| It's right here. | ||
| It's called Coast to Coast AM. | ||
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Join me here in the middle of the night. | |
| CBC Chancellor Broadcasting Company. | ||
| Toast to Toast AM with Art Bell. | ||
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Art Bell. | |
| CBC Chancellor Broadcasting Company for the strange and unusual. | ||
| It's Greenland with Art Bell. | ||
| What do we discuss on Greenland? | ||
| Two fascinating areas. | ||
| Is there life after death and are we alone in the universe? | ||
| Two ultimate questions mankind's been trying to answer for thousands of years. | ||
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We'll be talking about it this week right here on Greenland. | |
| Now, here again, Art Black. | ||
| Once again, here I am. | ||
| Stephen Gibbs is my guest. | ||
| If you want to know about his time machine, there's an article in Strange Magazine. | ||
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I think that's what it's called, Strange Magazine. | |
| And you can get to it by going to my webpage right now, and you can read all about it. | ||
| And read all about Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| www.artbell.com is my website. | ||
| You'll see the link to the Gibbs article right at the top of the page. | ||
| And we'll get back to Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| And I have so many questions about time travel. | ||
| Kind of like an earthquake, he said, when you go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Stephen Gibbs is my guest, and he is at a farm at a remote location. | ||
| We may tell you more here shortly. | ||
| Stephen, if I had your mom on the phone right now, can I ask you, Stephen, how old are you? | ||
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I'm 39. | |
| 39. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If I had your mom on the phone right now, and I said, hey, Steve's mom, tell me about your son and the time machines that he builds, what would she say? | ||
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That's hard to say. | |
| That's hard to say. | ||
| I don't get into that crazy stuff. | ||
| I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Look, we will eventually get some calls here. | ||
| Everyone on the line is locked up and has been for a long time. | ||
| But I've got some faxes here, and these make sense. | ||
| Hi, Art. | ||
| This is a question for Steve. | ||
| Forgive me for asking this, but if time travel is possible, why is Stephen Gibbs still here? | ||
| That's for me. | ||
| That's for you. | ||
| I couldn't answer it, Steve. | ||
| Why are you still here? | ||
| No, Rand, because I'm not in any position to travel to any faraway period as yet. | ||
| And not only that, it's not as simple as one might think in locating the right type of grid point to go physically. | ||
| Oh, all right then. | ||
| Mike Mazurkiewicz had good luck because he lived close to a place where there was UFO sighting. | ||
| But since I'm really not in a position to go any place, since I would have to probably start all over again, I guess kind of like it here for now. | ||
| Well, that was going to be my question, and I think that's really the answer. | ||
| In other words, the people that have gone, 35 or so at least, they wanted to go. | ||
| They wanted out of here. | ||
| They wanted to go somewhere else. | ||
| They didn't have a lot of family attachments, that kind of thing. | ||
| Even if you could go, the answer then really is you don't want to. | ||
| Well, not really. | ||
| I do make jumps, though, from time to time, but they're only short jumps, like maybe a year into the future. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That brings me then to the next facts. | ||
| It says, this is Mitch in Seattle. | ||
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Art. | |
| Steve says he's traveled to the future. | ||
| He also mentioned that he likes to travel to the past to stay away from the earth changes. | ||
| So the obvious question, Steve, is from the people that you've talked to that you've sold the machines to, or your own knowledge, what's coming? | ||
| From what I saw and from what other people have seen, that by the year 2000, the Earth will have already have shifted its axis. | ||
| Its axis. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it'll just be a minor shift, but nonetheless, it'll be enough of a shift that it'll create a pretty doggone major earthquake global-wise. | ||
| And when I used the hyper-resonator a few years back, I went to the year 1997 around the month of September. | ||
| Later this year. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And? | ||
| And I saw World War III in progress. | ||
| Oh, Steve. | ||
| Now, I hope that this will be postponed. | ||
| See, not necessarily everything you see in the future will come to pass. | ||
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You're talking about nuclear war. | |
| Somewhat similar, yes. | ||
| It was a huge aerial battle that I saw when I landed there, and then I saw a huge intercontinental ballistic missile being launched. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| And I don't know whether, well, it looked like it was going out, but I would imagine there was a few missiles coming in, too. | ||
| But what I'm hoping is that this will be delayed for, I hope, for another 10 years. | ||
| Well, see, I was going to begin to ask you about the nature of time. | ||
| The past is fixed. | ||
| In other words, it's already occurred in our timeline, anyway, or our dimension. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the future, it is your view the future is malleable. | ||
| It could be changed? | ||
| Okay, there are some things that you cannot change in Earth's future. | ||
| There are things that are predestined to happen. | ||
| If you see some there's some things you can change, whereas there's some things you can't. | ||
| Now, when going into Earth's past, you can change the past, but you only change the past for the person that has traveled back there. | ||
| In other words, let's say, for example, somebody died in a car accident. | ||
| Okay, you wanted to go back and prevent that accident from happening. | ||
| So you move back with your time machine, and you intercept that event. | ||
| Well, just at the moment that you intercept that person from colliding with another vehicle, all of a sudden you hear a large boom, thudd, or popping noise. | ||
| And right then, you end up shifting over into another universe that is following a different course in time that matched with the event that you altered. | ||
| In other words, it's going to happen come hell or high water. | ||
| You might be able to alter it in one timeline, but not another. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| When you go back, you can change it, but when you do, you shift yourself over to another universe that corresponded with the event that you altered. | ||
| In other words, the person would still be dead in this universe. | ||
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Oh, oh, but in another one, he might still be alive. | |
| Yeah, that's correct. | ||
| I've got it. | ||
| That way, it doesn't disrupt the space-time continuum, because if that were to happen, God only knows what would the whole universe would break down. | ||
| So you're saying then there is a natural law. | ||
| it's a time law that can't be broken. | ||
| It, um, because if, uh, if the, uh, if it were possible to change our own direct past timeline, Yeah, it'd be just utter disaster. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's another one. | ||
| Very interesting guest art. | ||
| It makes some sense to me. | ||
| The machine makes sense. | ||
| But if you go back to an era before electricity and you don't like it there, how the hell do you get back? | ||
| It's a really big practical question since, according to him, you have to plug the thing in for it to work. | ||
| Thanks, Mike, in Portland. | ||
| Well, it's basically a time limit when jumping through time. | ||
| Now, once in a while, you can get locked into another time period, which would probably be the danger there. | ||
| But normally, though, there is a time limit on how long you can stay in another time period, generally anywhere from six to nine hours. | ||
| And then you just simply move, you just automatically return. | ||
| Now, if you don't want to, now if you want to stay longer than six or nine hours, then you have to program the time, the amount of time that you want to stay in that period into the machine. | ||
| I've got you. | ||
| And your machine allows that to be done. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, an interesting feature about time travel is, and I'm certain people eventually realize this sooner or later, is that it has a unique advantage of rejuvenating the body after you return back to the present. | ||
| In other words, you can go back, let's say, with a broken ankle or a serious illness or sickness, and then return back a few seconds later, shoot, and you're completely cured. | ||
| Now, that certainly has good practical applications. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It turns the aging cycle back to the time when you just stopped growing. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And this has already been proven by other time travels, been proven by Mike Mazurkowicz over in Great Falls. | ||
| Boy, would I love to talk with Mike Mazurkowicz? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| or some of the others that you have sold these machines to, do you generally have... | ||
| Or is it kind of like the doctors who, well, you know, when the patient dies, they can't bitch about the service. | ||
| I generally don't get that many complaints. | ||
| But why would that be? | ||
| because the machine works as advertised or because the people, as I said, really can't complain when they're... | ||
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Well, there you are. | |
| Or, you know, even if they don't accomplish time travel, you know, they can still be able to use it either for help healing people or for increasing their psychic abilities or for increasing their intelligence. | ||
| Some lesser things. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's another one. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Please ask Steve about this statement from Strange Magazine in the interview. | ||
| Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| When they sent some scientists from the Montauk project into Earth's future, they hit a barrier in the year 2012. | ||
| When they tried to go past the barrier from 2012 to 2013, they couldn't go through. | ||
| They could only go around it. | ||
| But after they went around it, they found that all life on this planet had been wiped out. | ||
| Everything gone. | ||
| Cities in ruins. | ||
| No life found anywhere. | ||
| At least they couldn't find any. | ||
| They concluded that everything had been wiped out. | ||
| Sounds an awful lot like the event Major Ed Dames has talked about. | ||
| That's another story, by the way. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Yeah, that's correct. | ||
| I feel that, however, that is the future that is going to happen if the Lord doesn't come back and shorten those years. | ||
| So there's some kind of barrier at the 22 barrier there. | ||
| Right at the end of the seven-year tribulation period. | ||
| Boy, I'll tell you, I've talked to a lot of people who have said that. | ||
| You're not the only one. | ||
| But the way I kind of figure, though, if the Lord doesn't shorten those years, that's basically what's going to happen to this earth. | ||
| Stephen, I'm talking to remote viewers who have tried to look out past That point. | ||
| And they too say it's like a block, and they can't get past it, and they can't figure out why. | ||
| And Ed Dames has said that some gigantic, his word, spiritual event is going to occur. | ||
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You consider that possible? | |
| They say a lot of people say that the Earth is going to transcend into another dimension, but if there ain't no life on this planet, then what's there to ascend to? | ||
| I mean, but by the, I personally don't think it's going to be a dimensional shift myself. | ||
| I think the reason why there's a barrier there is because time is solely connected with human consciousness. | ||
| And OL is somewhat connected with human consciousness. | ||
| And so if you eliminate the humans, shoot, you got your barrier. | ||
| Yeah, I'll say that'd make a barrier. | ||
| Now, there could be a dimensional shift, but I think that more or less is connected with the rapture occurrent. | ||
| That may be. | ||
| That would certainly be a spiritual event, wouldn't it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it would. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So a lot of people then, and I understand this, and they go into the past. | ||
| For me, I really dug the 50s. | ||
| You know, I mean, I was young in the 50s, and it seemed like a carefree time. | ||
| And I really enjoyed mid-50s. | ||
| Do you find a lot of people want to go back there? | ||
| Yeah, especially a man in New York City who had bought a machine from me. | ||
| And he's always, of course, he hasn't had the time to locate a grid point since he lives within city limits. | ||
| But he hopes to activate this hyper-resonator over a grid point probably like towards the end of 98 in order to travel back to the year 1956, which I believe he will succeed since he has already seen his other self in another time period. | ||
| Ah, now, there's my next question. | ||
| Let's say I went back to 1955, all right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was 10 then. | ||
| 10. | ||
| When I arrive in the past, am I able to operate as I can here? | ||
| Can I touch things? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Will I be seen by people? | ||
| Yes, certainly. | ||
| I can talk to people. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But if I try to alter anything. | ||
| It shifts you over and gets time. | ||
| So in other words, I can't screw with time. | ||
| If I go back, I've got to keep it to myself and play act as though that's where I'm from. | ||
| Now, the obvious question is, if I go back to 55, what if I go and try to find myself? | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| Then I guess I'm screwing with time. | ||
| I'm altering time, and it's going to shift me, isn't it? | ||
| Well, yeah, as soon as you... | ||
| It's just like putting two bare ends of an extension of a wire together. | ||
| What it does, it doesn't destroy your other self. | ||
| What happens is you either fuse into him if you get too close to him, or else you end up pushing him into another dimension. | ||
| And that's why a person should not seek themselves out. | ||
| Yeah, because, oh, yeah, oh man, it can be a mess because if you have to take the place of your other double after you end up pushing him into another dimension or fusing into him, it could really mess things up for you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, then, if you were to go into the past, you know, you would arrive without a Social Security card. | ||
| I mean, assuming you even arrived when Social Security existed. | ||
| A driver's license, any kind of ID or anything. | ||
| You would be a person, surely, but you would have no ID. | ||
| So do you ever tell anybody anything about that? | ||
| I mean, suppose I went back to 1500, for example. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I've often wondered how I was going to make it. | ||
| If I was going to move back to 1981, which I plan on doing someday, pilot possibly within the next year or two, how I'm going to get by with my credentials. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I think what you can do is still use the same ID font, still get by. | ||
| They're not too far back. | ||
| Yeah, but they're not going to like the date. | ||
| I mean, if you show them a license, a driver's license from 1996 or 7, they're just not going to like that at all. | ||
| Yeah, now you could still use your Social Security number, but you couldn't use a driver's license or anything. | ||
| Now, depending, if you go way back, say to the year 1500, the language problems, the customs, that would be a hard way to go. | ||
| Yeah, it would. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to be pretty well renowned on foreign languages. | ||
| Listen, I want to give you a chance to give your address. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, you do want to give it, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I sell a catalog for a dollar is what I basically... | ||
| And the catalog has your time machine in it. | ||
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| Yeah, it sells my reports along with two different types of time travel devices. | ||
| Oh, two of them. | ||
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All right. | |
| Another experimental one that I've been working with and I'm selling through my catalog is the STM Space-Time Modulator. | ||
| STM Space-Time Modulator. | ||
| And this is a handheld pocket unit, which is, but it hasn't been tested out yet for physical. | ||
| Now, the Hyper-Resonator has been, but the STM is just designed more for those who just want to have an out-of-the-body experience. | ||
| I'm not a big experimenter with things that haven't been tested yet. | ||
| I like your model that appears to work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, now we're so close to the top of the hour. | ||
| We'll give out the address after the top of the hour, I guess. | ||
| May I ask one more question? | ||
| How long does it take you from the minute you begin building one of these machines until you've got the finished model ready to ship off to somebody? | ||
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Some perspective. | |
| It's usually... | ||
| Um... | ||
| Usually on the average of three to four days to build one of these. | ||
| Oh, that's quite a project. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It takes me roughly around anywhere from 9 to 12 hours to build one. | ||
| Are there any exotic parts that are hard to get hold of, or is it just a lot of manually intensive labor? | ||
| It is a lot of manually intensive labor. | ||
| I have three already built that are in stock now, and I usually keep three or more units in stock in case I get a lot of orders. | ||
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| Oh, I understand. | ||
| you know if you've only got three in stock now all right All right. | ||
| Hold on, Stephen. | ||
| Hold on, and just get your address in mind. | ||
| We'll do that when we come back and take phone calls. | ||
| This is the American CBC Network. | ||
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The senior Democrat on the House Ethics Committee has turned over a tape of a controversial phone call made by House Speaker Newt Gingrich. | |
| Florida Couple says they made the tape and passed it on to Representative Jim McDermott. | ||
| He's declined to comment on the matter, but Republicans aren't being so bashful. | ||
| This is a crime. | ||
| 40 million Americans rely on the cellular phone every day for business or personal affairs. | ||
| We just can't have citizens or members of our government abusing that process. | ||
| That's New York Republican Bill Patson. | ||
| Others are calling for McDermott's resignation. | ||
| This is the CBC Radio Network. | ||
| It certainly is. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| My guest is Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| He has a workshop and a finishing shop on a farm in a location you're about to hear about. | ||
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And he builds time machines. | |
| Real, physical time machines. | ||
| If you want to talk to him, your opportunity is about to manifest itself in this timeline anyhow. | ||
| So we'll get back to him in a moment. | ||
| And if you've missed the first hour, we devoted to a technical explanation of how his machine works, and he told us. | ||
| The second hour, we talked about the nature of time travel. | ||
| This hour, it's your turn. | ||
| You want to ask questions? | ||
| Great. | ||
| And I know you do because the phones are going nuts. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| Back to my guest, Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| You want to know more about him? | ||
| Go to my website now. | ||
| There is a link to Strange magazine that did an extensive article on Stephen Gibbs and his time machine. | ||
| It's on my website. | ||
| Go up there, www.artbell.com. | ||
| You'll see a link to Mr. Gibbs' article directly. | ||
| It'll take you straight over, and you can read the article and ask questions from that or from what you've heard here. | ||
| If you've missed a lot of it, that'll fill you in to some degree. | ||
| All right, we're about to go to the lines, but I have promised, and so I am going to allow Steve to give his address out. | ||
| That's all you're going to give out is an address, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And for like $1, people can get a catalog which has your time machines in it, and then they can decide if they want to go any farther or they just want to have a time machine catalog, not something you get every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What is, it's Stephen Gibbs, G-I-B-B-S, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And what is your address? | ||
| My address is RR1. | ||
| RR1. | ||
| Box 79. | ||
| Clearwater. | ||
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Clearwater. | |
| Nebraska. | ||
| And the zip is 68726. | ||
| 68726. | ||
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All right. | |
| Stephen Gibbs, RR1, box 79, Clearwater, Nebraska. | ||
| Zip code 68726, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you've got a little catalog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A time machine catalog. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then if they want to order one of the time machines, if you get a bunch of orders, I've got it. | ||
| I mean, you said you've got three sitting on the shelf. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yes, I do. | |
| Well, see, Stephen, I've got a lot of listeners. | ||
| Millions, even. | ||
| And so you could get sort of backlogged. | ||
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Yeah, a little bit. | |
| So you should then inform people, I guess, of how long a wait somehow it's going to be if you get real backlogged. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I plan on doing. | ||
| Yeah, all right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Please, Art, ask your guest if it is possible to bring something back from the past. | ||
| Say I wanted something small, like a pack of pre-war green-labeled Lucky Strike cigarettes, very politically incorrect. | ||
| Could I bring them back, say, from 1935? | ||
| That would be cool. | ||
| Thanks, Dan, in Eugene. | ||
| Could you do that? | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| Mike Mazurkowitz over in Great Falls was able to retrieve a newspaper back from the year 1945. | ||
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Really? | |
| Now, some objects can stay in the present time frame without running the risk of anything happening to it. | ||
| But then other objects, after the space of something like three to four days, will begin to fade out on you. | ||
| Fade out. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Fade out. | ||
| Fade out. | ||
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Cool. | |
| That's kind of like, oh, what was that movie? | ||
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Oh, what was that movie on TV? | |
| About the people in an aircraft airliner who went back in time. | ||
| The name of that. | ||
| All right, anyway, those things too began to fade out. | ||
| So a physical object cannot necessarily stay in the wrong timeline very long. | ||
| No, unless, of course, it was somewhat predestined to stay there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think certain laws apply to retaining an object from another time period, depending on whether or not it was stolen or obtained by natural means. | ||
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Ah. | |
| Could you ask, Steve, what would happen if you went back in time and something happened and you got killed back there somehow? | ||
| Would you be dead back there only, or would you be dead in both times, past and present? | ||
| You'd be dead back there only. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| So if you went back to 1500 and somebody ran you through with a sword, you'd be okay here, unless you were locked back there, and then you'd be in trouble. | ||
| Or you're not sure about that? | ||
| Well, if you died in another time period, let me see. | ||
| If somebody ran a sword through you in another time period, for example, you'd die in the other time period. | ||
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Yep. | |
| No question about it. | ||
| But would you come back here and be alive? | ||
| Maybe with a sword. | ||
| Not if you're dead. | ||
| Okay, so in other words, dead is dead. | ||
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All right, Art. | |
| How does Ms. Gibbs know that an ICBM, the one you talk about, wasn't being launched to break up, say, a meteor? | ||
| In other words, how do you know that it was a war that was underway that you saw? | ||
| The reason why I knew that was because I saw bodies falling from the sky. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| From the, how can I put it? | ||
| The air battle that was going on. | ||
| I see. | ||
| There was just so many people being killed in the air that at first, you know, I thought it was rain. | ||
| Then I started looking closely at what was falling from the sky, and it was body plants. | ||
| Oh, that's horrible. | ||
| That is horrible. | ||
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All right. | |
| Here we go to the telephones. | ||
| This should be an interesting experience. | ||
| There will be some people, Stephen, I can tell you right now, who are going to say things like, you're making this up as you're going along. | ||
| And that can't be because they did this article in Strange Magazine on you when. | ||
| Oh, geez. | ||
| I think it was back in 94. | ||
| 94. | ||
| So they did that three years ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So you can't be making it up as you're going along because... | ||
| I can't be certain because there was an area there where it overlapped between two years. | ||
| All right, if somebody comes on and says to you, Gibbs, you're as crazy and loony as anybody I've ever heard. | ||
| Time travel, it absolutely can't be true. | ||
| What do you say to someone like that? | ||
| You either have the faith or you don't. | ||
| All right, one last question, then we go to the phones. | ||
| I've interviewed a guy named Mike Markham, who I nicknamed Madman Markham. | ||
| He is back near Kansas City, Missouri, and he has built this incredible contraption, which began as a Jacobs ladder. | ||
| I don't know if you know what that is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Then he's got these rotating magnet, electromagnets, and he's got this giant thing built in a warehouse, and he's developing 3 million volts, and he's going to walk through this thing, and he's trying to achieve what you say you've already done, time travel. | ||
| And I'm worried that Mike is going to fry himself like an overdone French fry. | ||
| And what it sounds like is... | ||
| Now, your device does utilize an electromagnet using 110 AC volts. | ||
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Is it UL approved? | |
| What do you mean, UL approved? | ||
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You know that little sticker they got on things that says UL approved? | |
| Never mind. | ||
| I didn't mean to ask you. | ||
| All right, here comes some phone calls. | ||
| Let's see what happens. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Steve Gibbs. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm in Los Angeles, California. | |
| Los Angeles. | ||
| All right. | ||
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I just want to, first of all, let Steve know that I'm just asking questions so I can try to help better understand this. | |
| That's fair. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| I promise you, I'm not trying to dispel what he's created. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Earlier he talked about how you couldn't maybe travel if it was under false pretenses or greed, as he said. | |
| Right, I tried the greed question. | ||
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Right, exactly. | |
| So if you're dealing with an object that is capable of understanding and manipulating the complexities of time travel, why would it be affected by something that is merely a contrived human moral? | ||
| All right. | ||
| In other words, why does morality... | ||
| But his question goes to the zero-point energy or the God force. | ||
| In other words, so how do you answer that? | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| Why does that force care what your motives are? | ||
| Well, and look, there are questions that I understand that you could not answer. | ||
| I don't think I could either. | ||
| We're getting into questions like where does the sky end or something about God. | ||
| Well, I would say, you know, if it goes so far as to harm other people, then, you know, why is the creator going to allow that person to make the jump? | ||
| All right. | ||
| I think that's fair to leave there. | ||
| I mean, I don't expect you to have the answer to that one. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Steve Gibbs. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Good morning, Art and Steve. | ||
| It's John in Dublin. | ||
| Dublin, where? | ||
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California. | |
| All right. | ||
| Knowing your timeline, Art, that if you've got the old Kingston Trio thing, you should put it on for the next round. | ||
| Did he ever return? | ||
| And the guy stuck on the train, right? | ||
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Roger. | |
| And my questions for Steve are the grid parts. | ||
| Are there grid parts in water, do you know, Steve? | ||
| Is that over in California, you mean? | ||
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Well, anywhere. | |
| It seems like that would be a safe place to pick. | ||
| Oh, he's saying can you find grids on water? | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Oh, I misinterpreted that. | ||
| Yes, I would imagine so. | ||
| Yeah, you might be able to even obtain a little bit better results if you could activate it over a body of water. | ||
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Okay, how do you come back? | |
| Does the machine go with you? | ||
| Only if you program it to go with you. | ||
| If you don't program it to go with you, only the electromagnet will move. | ||
| Oh, no, no kidding. | ||
| In fact, thank you very much, Carla. | ||
| Tell us a story. | ||
| There was a guy who made a jump and something broke, didn't it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It sliced his unit into two parts because he didn't program it to go with him. | ||
| So it cut it in half? | ||
| Well, yeah, well, yeah, it sliced the connections between the electromagnet and the unit, is what it did. | ||
| So he ended up on the other end, wherever he went, with one piece and some dangling wires. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, basically with the electromagnet. | ||
| The unit stayed behind, and he didn't want to try that again, so he, next time he, on the second jump he made to another year, I think, to 69 or something. | ||
| I can't remember for certain, but the second time he made the jump, he then programmed the information into it, and then both the machine and the electromagnet went with it. | ||
| Now, this is really important, Stephen. | ||
| When you sell a time machine to somebody, does it come with a good instruction manual? | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
| I mean, that seems very important so that people don't do that kind of thing, because it would be really upsetting to go back to, say, 1500 and be there with just a piece of it and dangling wires. | ||
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You'd go, oh, man, or even something else. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's if they would happen to accidentally get locked into that time period. | ||
| Now, if they didn't get locked, they would automatically return after 69 hours. | ||
| Yeah, see, that goes to the question that a lot of people have faxed. | ||
| And they say, this is crazy because there wouldn't be any 115-volt outlet in 1500, so you're up the proverbial creek. | ||
| And again, your answer is, well, you can program it two ways. | ||
| One, to go back and stay there, in which case tough beans, you're at your new home, or you will automatically return, you said, in six to nine hours. | ||
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| Correct. | ||
| All right, thank you. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Good evening, Art Bell. | ||
| Good evening, Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm Tim in St. Louis. | |
| All right, Tim. | ||
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I have two things. | |
| One, a statement, which is that, you know, you should contact Mike Markham or somebody out there should call him just so they can correlate data, if nothing else. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, he ended up getting abducted, though. | ||
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Oh, did he? | |
| Yes, some time trackers or some MIB agents hunted him down back in 69. | ||
| Are you talking about Markham? | ||
| Well, Mike Mazurgilrich. | ||
| Oh, Mazurkilitz. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I'm talking about Markham. | ||
| Oh, Madman Markham. | ||
| He's talking about Madman Markham. | ||
| You don't really know Madman. | ||
| You ought to. | ||
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No, it's a whole nother story. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Okay, and the other thing is a two-part question. | ||
| If you go back in time and you do alter an event and it sunts you over into another dimension, what happens to your double in that dimension? | ||
| Are you just sitting there next to the other double just like you would be if you went back in time to say when you were a little kid or something? | ||
| And that's part of that question. | ||
| Well, let him answer the first part, all right? | ||
| No, you wouldn't. | ||
| You'd be shifted over to a universe where your other self wasn't there. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| So you change the event and there wouldn't even be another person to confuse things. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
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Okay, well, maybe I'll still ask the second part anyway, even though that kind of covers it, which is that you said that one of the ways that you attune this device by you concentrate on the time that you want to go back to. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Can you also attune this device in such a way like somehow say trade places with another self in another dimension that wants to be where you are and you want to be where they are? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| There was a friend of mine in New York City who went by the name of both of you, hold on. | ||
| We'll be back to both of you and pick that up. | ||
| Caller, can you hold on through the break? | ||
| All right, stay right there then, and we'll be back to both of you. | ||
| This is the American CBC Radio Network Time Travel. | ||
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This is the American CBC Radio Network Time Travel. | |
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| I mean, this has got to be V1. | ||
| Time Travel. | ||
| Is it possible? | ||
| Or as one rather rude factser says regarding Mr. Gibbs, medication time. | ||
| Medication time. | ||
| What about that, Stephen? | ||
| Just before we go back to this caller who's on hold, have people talked to you about, you know, wearing the white coat that you can't get out of and going into the padded room and all that sort of thing. | ||
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No, not really. | |
| Generally, the ones who think I'm crazy or a fruitcake. | ||
| They just generally never contact me to begin with. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| And by the way, remember the movie we were trying to think of? | ||
| Stephen King's The Langoliers. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That was a good movie. | ||
| All right, Coller, you're back on the line again. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So go ahead. | ||
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Okay, well, my question was, considering that you said that part of the operation of this device involved mentally concentrating on a specific time and then attuning the device and then going there, would it be possible to mentally concentrate on, | |
| say, a time where there was another version of you that wanted to be where you are now and you wanted to be where they are, and essentially creating places so that nothing would get messed up or altered or anything like that at all? | ||
| Yes, you can do that quantumly. | ||
| Quantumly. | ||
| Yeah, see, there's different types of time travel. | ||
| There is types where you can move back or forwards through the arrows of time. | ||
| Or if you want to move, or when you move quantumly, that's when you trade places with another one of your bodies over in another universe. | ||
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And yes, that can be done. | |
| Not only have I done it, but a friend over in New York City has also done it as well. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's a practical question from, let's see, it's Michael in Indiana. | ||
| If you get backlogged, Stephen, in manufacturing time machine by the millions, would you be willing to sell schematics and or assembly instructions for me to make one sort of in kit assembly mode for myself to alleviate the pressure on you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I do that. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
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All right. | |
| Here's another one. | ||
| How far back in time can you go? | ||
| What are the limits? | ||
| Could you go back and watch the pyramids be built? | ||
| Yeah, there's practically no limit, depending on the grid point. | ||
| I mean, yeah, you can go even back to the time of Atlantis if you wanted to. | ||
| Provided you didn't hit no barrier. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time caller align. | ||
| You're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Good morning, Ark. | |
| Good morning, Steve. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm calling from the Montreal Committee. | |
| How is Michael? | ||
| All right, Michael. | ||
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Yes, Steve, if you would touch into the health aspect. | |
| Say you went into this with the common cold, possibly where if you broke your leg, maybe a birth defect. | ||
| Now, going in or coming back out, would you not have a cold or a birth defect, broken leg? | ||
| All right, good question. | ||
| In other words, if you, in a way, I think you did answer that already, but if something is wrong with you health-wise today and you travel back in time, would you return with that health problem gone? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much so, yes. | ||
| Yeah, it rejuvenates your entire system. | ||
| As a matter of fact, the more times you jump, the more it changes your physical appearance. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| How so? | ||
| In other words, you're younger? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, younger, but eventually, if you make enough jumps, eventually you become physically perfect. | ||
| Or at least, I guess. | ||
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Really? | |
| And one woman is telling me she did that whenever she'd get a few wrinkles on her face, she'd just pop back to the 1960s, and then a few seconds later, she'd be back, and her face would be back to normal again. | ||
| You know, there's a few Hollywood, well, anyway. | ||
| Let's go to the phones. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, this is Dan from San Diego. | ||
| San Diego, yes. | ||
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Yes, I have three questions. | |
| One is for Steve, and that would be, can you bring objects back from the future or, let's say, people? | ||
| Okay, we already covered that. | ||
| We didn't cover people. | ||
| How can you bring people back? | ||
| If you take a person back, there's a danger there in bringing human beings, especially from the past to the future. | ||
| The reason for that is they proven in the Montauk project that if you travel, like say, into the future and stay too long there, you'll begin to age rapidly. | ||
| And so the same rule would be applied if you were going to take somebody from the past to the present. | ||
| There would be a danger of that individual aging quite rapidly after the space of three to four days. | ||
| However, the problem could be remedied by having the individual set in a pyramid for something like two or three hours, and that might be able to stabilize its time frame. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Other than that, it would be quite dangerous. | ||
| All right, one more question, Color. | ||
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Yes, and I was wondering if you could money to yourself in the future. | |
| In the future? | ||
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| I would, well, I don't know. | ||
| The same rules apply as in past time, Traveler. | ||
| You'd end up pushing your other self over into another dimension, is what you do. | ||
| All right, Larry in Bristol, Virginia, wants to know how much one of your time devices costs to buy. | ||
| Purchase. | ||
| They usually run for right around $360. | ||
| Around $360, well, that's cheap to travel on time. | ||
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Chief. | |
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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My name's Dave from Ohio. | |
| Hello, Dave. | ||
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You know, this is just really amazing. | |
| Everything I've heard tonight, I work for a small science company here in Ohio. | ||
| And the gentleman I work for, his name is Charles Story. | ||
| He just wrote a book, the Grand Unified Theory Made Easy. | ||
| And as he's showed me this book over the last year and taught me What his theory is all about, it shows the science that would enable you to build these kind of devices and do these type of things. | ||
| Well, does the device described sound like you heard Steve describe his? | ||
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Yes, I've seen some of Charlie's experiments. | |
| And from what I've seen, we take a transformer and just a regular transformer and then run the electricity to coils. | ||
| And these coils have reversing fields. | ||
| And these reversing fields have caused some really strange phenomena that we've documented and have been working with. | ||
| And all along we believed that we could build something like this and that this is the technology of the future. | ||
| There's the new geometry. | ||
| There's a new geometry they have based on hyperspace that I've seen that has been worked on. | ||
| And everything here fits together. | ||
| I just wanted to call in and let you and Steve know that, geez, I just think this is really it. | ||
| Given an opportunity, Caller, would you travel? | ||
| And if so, where? | ||
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You know, I would like to travel. | |
| I believe that everything, I've done some theological studies, and I do believe that the Earth is changing. | ||
| I believe that if you did go to the future where even the remote viewers haven't been able to see anything, I believe that there's still something going on there. | ||
| Maybe we don't have in our group consciousness the perception. | ||
| Yeah, it just might be real lonely, that's all. | ||
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Well, if there was going to be a band playing dog whistles, we wouldn't be able to hear the music, but the music would be real. | |
| That's right. | ||
| And there might be actual living going on there, but with our narrow perception, we wouldn't be able to perceive what's actually happening in that higher dimension. | ||
| I've got you. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, listen, Stephen, let me ask you this. | ||
| Just speculatively, all right? | ||
| Let's say I'm Newt Gingrich, all right? | ||
| I'm the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. | ||
| And I screwed up. | ||
| I reported something wrong some time ago, years ago, and they're all over my case about it. | ||
| Could I travel back in time and change my report, just change it so that everything looks right in kosher, and then come back to present time, and there'd be no big brouhaha going on. | ||
| Democrats wouldn't be clawing at me, trying to destroy me. | ||
| Everything would be hunky-dory. | ||
| Could I do that, or would that not work? | ||
| You could do that quantumly. | ||
| You couldn't do that physically, but quantumly you probably could switch places with your other double and then change it. | ||
| So it could be done. | ||
| Yeah, because I have been able to move back quantumly three or four days into Earth's past. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I made an attempt once to change the present. | ||
| When I got back, I found out everything around me was changed. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
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Hi, Steven. | |
| Hey, Lord, how's it going? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Hey, Steve, I was just curious. | ||
| You know, do you think because of this, all this, that you could basically be uneducated and come up with ideas that are beyond your normal principle? | ||
| Well, I feel I get a lot of this information from the divine. | ||
| And in other words, you think a lot of the entrepreneurship, the idea for this, the inspiration for it is from God. | ||
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Yes, yeah, correct. | |
| How big is this machine? | ||
| Oh, well, the box, I'd have to get out the microphone. | ||
| Just give me a rough guess. | ||
| Oh, roughly it would be about six inches. | ||
| The unit, not the electromagnetic, the unit is roughly about, I would say, anywhere from five to six inches wide by seven or eight inches long and then something like about two and a half inches high. | ||
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No problem. | |
| It chips UPS. | ||
| Of course, then there's the electromagnet part that comes with it, right? | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| All right, now, how much danger is there that when somebody does this, they would fry themselves? | ||
| Well, there's not any danger, not that much. | ||
| Basically, there isn't any danger of getting fried unless you start working with items that I don't suggest in my instruction manual. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I'm glad there's an instruction manual. | ||
| Yeah, because one woman I sold the unit to living in New York City who overloaded her unit with too much energy, and she tried using a Ruby or something in it. | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| There was some indication that she bursted into flames. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, from doing that. | ||
| And if you step up the energies too damn much for some people, you know, that can be pretty doggone dangerous. | ||
| And so, you know, I keep it at a level that's safe for a human here. | ||
|
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I see. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, that makes sense. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| East of the Rockies. | ||
| You're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Hi, where are you? | ||
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East Virginia. | |
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, I have two questions. | ||
| If you go back to the past, and like if you're at your childhood home, can you interact with like your parents and your sisters and brothers and friends? | ||
| Oh, that's a really good question. | ||
| By the way, where is Eastern, you mean Eastern State of Virginia, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Could you do that? | ||
| Even though you're not supposed to meet yourself, what about going back and seeing mom and dad and sisters and brothers when they were younger? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I suppose it could be done. | ||
| But since you were linked up with them somehow, it might end up shifting you. | ||
| I seriously don't think you'd run into any Problems there. | ||
| I think you could go back and visit them. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| All right. | ||
| First time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Yes, Arspell. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Where are you, please? | ||
|
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Yes, I am in Northern California. | |
| Yes, what is your question? | ||
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I want to say that I do not agree with any of the things that you are just saying. | |
| Well, that's okay. | ||
| I have been doing experimentation for some time in the area that you are talking about. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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These things that he is talking about, with using his mind, with using electromagnetic, it makes no sense. | |
| I am doing experimentation with massive gravitational fields where we can emulate or approximate the density which is found in a neutron star. | ||
| Excuse me for being somewhat nervous. | ||
| No, that's all right. | ||
| You approximate the gravity of a neutron star. | ||
| Now, excuse me for questioning you, but that would require more energy than I know of that we have on Earth. | ||
|
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Well, this is the common thought, but and I'm not at liberty to disclose this. | |
| Well, see, there's a lot of questions. | ||
| Sir, sir, sir, sir. | ||
| You contact me privately, and I will get you on the air, or I will talk to you about this, and we'll find out how much you can disclose. | ||
| Because when you make a claim, see, at least Stephen Gibbs came on here, and he told us exactly how he's doing what he's doing. | ||
| You're coming on here and saying, I can approximate the gravitational field of a neutron star, which is incredible, but I can't disclose how I do it. | ||
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But if I were to disclose this, I would be, I don't know how to explain it to you, but it would change everything about my life, the fact that I'm calling you right now and giving you this information. | |
| The reason that I have called is I think your callers are very naive to even think that this man can do anything that he says that he can do. | ||
| And I challenge him to show you that he can do this. | ||
| Right now, let him go and get one of his devices and let us see if he can do what he claims he can do. | ||
| And I will tell you, he is a fraud. | ||
| Well, you know what, though? | ||
| Having said that, I think you're in a wrong position to be saying that, Stephen. | ||
| I knew you were going to take some criticism, and that's fair enough. | ||
| But here comes a guy with criticism, making outrageous claims himself, and then saying, oh, but I can't disclose to you how I do it. | ||
| So I think that we should, you know, perhaps consider the source. | ||
| And I do in this particular case. | ||
| That was very unfair. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs. | ||
|
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Hello. | |
| Hi, Art. | ||
| This is Fred up in Tacoma. | ||
| Yes, Fred. | ||
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Hey, I always have a question about this health thing going back in time. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And coming back. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I had a liver transplant. | ||
| What would happen to me? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I would imagine it would just restructure around your liver transplant then. | ||
| Would it make you better? | ||
| Should I say... | ||
| What? | ||
| Would it regrow the liver? | ||
| I would imagine so. | ||
| Yeah, I would say it would rejuvenate everything. | ||
| It would replace the liver transplant that you had with another one. | ||
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Oh, that's interesting. | |
| All right. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Listen, Stephen, we're coming to the top of the hour here. | ||
| Are you real tired, or can you do one more hour? | ||
| I'm going to have to let you go pretty soon, because it's 4 o'clock here, and I've got to get to... | ||
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Sleep, sleep. | |
| Well, listen, my friend, thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate your being here. | ||
| And we'll do it again sometime, okay? | ||
| Sure, sounds great. | ||
| All right, Stephen Gibbs, thank you, and good night. | ||
| This is CBZ. | ||
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This is the CBC Radio Network. | |
| What is? | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| Great to be here. | ||
| Stephen Gibbs was my guest. | ||
| Now, look, up on the website, you can still go up and read about Stephen Gibbs if you want to. | ||
| Strange Magazine did a story about him, and it's still there to be read. | ||
| We put a link in, so go to my webpage at www.artbell.com. | ||
| And by the way, the entity photographs are still there as well. | ||
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That's www.artbell.com. | |
| You can read all about it. | ||
| Somebody from Pacific Palisades listening to KABC said, hi, Art. | ||
| Ask the Esteed, if I buy one of his infernal machines, can I make time payments? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Or this, how come no one's gone back to, say, 1962 and met the Beatles? | ||
| Then work a deal as a secret partner, supply them with all their songs as required for the particular year as needed. | ||
| Or did someone do it? | ||
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Yeah, that's right. | |
| In other words, how do you know they didn't? | ||
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All right, we'll go to open lines in a moment. | |
| The news, such as it is, interesting cellular. | ||
| An unnamed Democrat member of the House took a transcript of an Ely- And they recorded it. | ||
| Ooh, that's bad. | ||
| That's bad, bad, bad, and not legal. | ||
| Then they apparently turned it over to a Democrat member of the House who then turned it over to a couple of big newspapers. | ||
| The contents of this, allegedly, were Mr. Gingrich reneging the Democrats' claim on his promise to use, or actually not use his power, to strike back against the ethics subcommittee. | ||
| Now, let me tell you, number one, there have been two felonies here, serious ones. | ||
| Taping a cellular telephone conversation is a felony. | ||
| Distributing that tape is a felony. | ||
| I'm not sure about publicizing such a tape or actually a transcript of the tape. | ||
| It may be by then that it's not a felony. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it's a pretty awful thing all the way around, and it is another example of why I'm so ticked off about politics these days. | ||
| It's partisanship over principle. | ||
| There is no principle anymore. | ||
| It's gone. | ||
| There is no principle anywhere out there anymore. | ||
| It's gone, folks. | ||
| That's one of the truth of the quickening of the 90s. | ||
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The late 90s, I might add. | |
| It's over. | ||
| As far as I'm concerned, principle, morality, I don't say they don't exist, but when you look at something like this, Maloney, which is, I think, what all the other talk shows are talking about, what's the argument here? | ||
| It's just plain wrong. | ||
| It's just plain, it's a criminal act, period. | ||
| It's like it's cool. | ||
| If it's going to get us partisan gain, tape it, transcribe it, give it to major newspapers in New York and Washington, and just do it. | ||
| I mean, that's the way it is in the 90s. | ||
| There is no principle. | ||
| There's just partisanship. | ||
| The other big story, Paula Jones and the U.S. Supreme Court and the Prez. | ||
| Everybody, I think, knows about Paula Jones by now, don't you? | ||
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You know about Paula Jones. | |
| She was, she says, approached by the Prez in a hotel there in Little Rock and invited to perform, it is alleged, certain acts upon our president. | ||
| She wants an apology. | ||
| I noticed on the Sunday shows, which featured a lot about this because the Supreme Court's got it now, that a lot of the journalists who said Paula Jones was a floozy and more are now recanting, saying it was a cultural bias. | ||
| That's what I heard over the week. | ||
| That was a cultural bias. | ||
| You know, I looked at her with her, quote, big hair, and I thought she was a floozy, something like that. | ||
| It was a cultural bias, and it was my error because now it looks like there really is something to her story. | ||
| Anyway, whether there is or isn't, and I think there is, the big question is whether or not a president should be subject to being sued like Paula Jones is doing while he's in office now. | ||
| The justices seemed about split, but it does look to me as though they're going to suggest that maybe the president can be sued well as an office. | ||
| Or maybe there'll be a compromise and depositions will be taken. | ||
| It's not exactly known for sure, but, you know, my first take on this, I must tell you, is that it should not be allowed. | ||
| Even though I personally believe Paula Jones, while the president is in office, it probably shouldn't be allowed. | ||
| It's a very narrow call. | ||
| If the alleged events had occurred while the president was in office, there's no question it certainly should be allowed. | ||
| But this occurred prior to his taking... | ||
| You know, I say I don't think so, but I'll tell you, I have mixed feelings about it. | ||
| And he's not royalty. | ||
| He's the president of the United States. | ||
| And it may be that it should be allowed to go ahead. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Then they're talking about the agenda, you know, campaign finance reform, whether or not money ought to go to politicians. | ||
| Money has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court here in America to be free speech covered by the First Amendment. | ||
| In other words, if you want to give money to a politician, you're giving it for a cause, right? | ||
| Money for a cause equals free speech. | ||
| So to change that, you would have to change the Constitution. | ||
| It is, ladies and gentlemen, a horrible winter in the United States. | ||
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Horrible. | |
| I have seen scenes, for example, here where I'm in the desert, the high desert, all right? | ||
| Southern Nevada. | ||
| I'm eight miles, eight miles from the California border. | ||
| Do you know what we had today? | ||
| We had wind followed by very cold rain, followed by a hailstorm, followed by a snowstorm, followed by, at the moment, about 28 degrees or 27 degrees Fahrenheit and falling fast. | ||
| It may be down to around 23. | ||
| Not optical there. | ||
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Look, it's colder than hell. | |
| I mean, for here, believe me, it's cold. | ||
| And this is nothing. | ||
| In the rest of the country, we're getting flooding, mudslides, snow, ice, blizzards. | ||
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Europe is gripped in a terrible winter. | |
| Greece, I saw there were thunderstorms in Greece and flooding. | ||
| I saw scenes of cars floating down the street like so many boats in a row. | ||
|
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It was incredible. | |
| I think our weather is changing. | ||
| Now, you're welcome to comment on that if you would like. | ||
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But I believe that our weather is changing. | |
| Call it whatever you want to call it. | ||
| I think it's changing. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| We're going to open lines. | ||
| Listen, one more thing. | ||
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Ed Dames is in Hawaii. | |
| Ed Dames, Sitex, Ed Dames. | ||
| And I got the following facts today. | ||
| Art, okay, it's done. | ||
| A definite date, Thursday, January 30th at 11 o'clock. | ||
| So there you are. | ||
| Ed is going to break a major story on this program Thursday, January 30th at 11 o'clock. | ||
| Major Ed Dames. | ||
| Now, how about those football games this weekend? | ||
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The Packers. | |
| Oh, man, what a game. | ||
| What a game. | ||
| What a game. | ||
| I told you at the beginning of the year I thought the Packers would be in the Super Bowl, and they would be in the Super Bowl. | ||
| Along with New England, I won two bets. | ||
| It's legal to bet here in Nevada. | ||
| I won both of them. | ||
| 6.8 earthquake down in Mexico. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| 6.8. | ||
| If you follow a lot of things, why you'll know that typically they move north from there. | ||
| I would expect an earthquake shortly on the west coast someplace. | ||
| I got the following, and I don't know what to make of it. | ||
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Hailbop. | |
| It is now becoming visible once again. | ||
| This is from a private citizen, Fremont Peak in Central California. | ||
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I know where Fremont Peak is. | |
| It was easy art, an easy naked eye object, quite nice. | ||
| Ten times binoculars, very nice through 77s. | ||
| It was just a spot, not a pinpoint to the naked eye, a little smaller than the moon. | ||
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It's pretty big. | |
| There was a noticeable tail when looking through the binoculars. | ||
| I could see multiple streams in the tail through the telescope. | ||
| The tail extended beyond one field of view on my 8-inch F10W26 millimeter something or another. | ||
| Note that all this is pre-dawned, through a pre-dawn glow. | ||
| I'm sure there's more that could be detected. | ||
| One interesting thing I noticed was the nucleus, it was not a uniform round spot in the coma. | ||
| It appeared to be elongated in the same direction as the tail. | ||
| Under higher power, 200 times, this shape was even more certain to me. | ||
| Has anybody else seen this? | ||
| My first thought was, I wonder if it's split in two. | ||
| Wouldn't that be a nice sight? | ||
| Twin comets blazing along together in our March-April skies. | ||
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Absolutely fascinating. | |
| So many people are getting lake effect snow in the north central part of the country that Fred in Buffalo, southeast of Buffalo, said, hey, Art, when do you think Lake Erie is going to run out of water? | ||
| With all this darn snow coming down, it ought to be dry by about this time next week. | ||
| Again, going back to the terrible winter we're having. | ||
| Listen, I have heard the following. | ||
| I cannot confirm it. | ||
| Maybe you can. | ||
| Telstar 401, AT ⁇ T's satellite, leased out to Fox, ABC, and PBS. | ||
| It seems, or it has been reported or alleged, that on the morning of Sunday, January 12th, 1997, transmission from Telstar 401 stopped. | ||
| Speculation was it was hit by a meteor or space debris. | ||
| But this is still unconfirmed. | ||
| NORAD was contacted and has confirmed that Telstar 401 is still in orbit, but can no longer receive nor transmit. | ||
| It is dead. | ||
| Any speculation or comments? | ||
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No. | |
| No, sir. | ||
| I had three separate messages on Telstar 401. | ||
| You guys tell me, can anybody out there confirm that? | ||
| That would be the first time something of this sort has... | ||
| But if this one was either killed, whether by natural causes or murdered, that would be the first time that something like this has occurred. | ||
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Very, very, very, very interesting. | |
| A wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
|
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Hello. | |
| Hi, Arbel. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Long time listener. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I'd like to give credit to a man named Tom Pearson in San Azone, Texas. | |
| He turned me on to you a little over a year and a half ago. | ||
| Thank you, Tom. | ||
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I've heard a lot of stuff on your show that I've never seen on television. | |
| Never heard until later dates. | ||
| Well, that's what I do here. | ||
| I do, look, I could be like everybody else, but what fun would that be? | ||
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Yeah, why? | |
| Why do you do that? | ||
| I mean, the airwaves are full. | ||
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You know, people complain. | |
| They say, why do you do this stuff? | ||
| I do it because I want to do it, because it's fun, and because I think the audience will enjoy it. | ||
| And if they don't, then anywhere else up and down the dial, they can go find whatever you usually find. | ||
| You know, the president's a good guy, president's a bad guy, Newt Gingrich is a saint, he's the devil, or whatever. | ||
| That's everywhere else. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And I guess that's why we're here, because we're tired of the same old, same-of-the-art. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eventually, the world of radio is going to wake up to that. | ||
| But if they don't, then sell with them. | ||
|
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Oh, this is Mr. We in Seattle. | |
| Yes. | ||
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And a couple of quick things. | |
| I've been curious on telescopes. | ||
| And I need to get the call letters for Sacramento and Florida. | ||
| St. Petersburg, Florida. | ||
| People are always asking me for this. | ||
| In Sacramento, it's KSTE. | ||
| Okay? | ||
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All right, AM what? | |
| 6, I'm going to say 650. | ||
| I think it's 650. | ||
|
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Hold on. | |
| See, I've got so many stations now, it's hard to remember all this stuff. | ||
| Sacramento, yep, six fifty. | ||
| And where else? | ||
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Uh, St. Petersburg, Florida. | |
| St. Peter. | ||
| Oh, that's a big one. | ||
| WHNZ, 570 on the dial, 10,000 watts in St. Petersburg. | ||
| Now we ought to be able to hear them in Cuba. | ||
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Outstanding. | |
| All right. | ||
| I'm trying to be, I guess, an amateur astronomer, and my friends have told me that the Saturn telescopes are supposed to be the quality, and I'm not real familiar with the different types there are. | ||
| I'm looking at one that has a 114 millimeter diameter mirror. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a 5 by 24 viewfinder. | ||
| Man, I'm not the right guy to... | ||
| Number two, since I got it, there hasn't been one clear day, except clear enough to go out and look at the mountain that's behind me here. | ||
| Other than that, I haven't even been able to look at anything. | ||
| It's really discouraging. | ||
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Okay, well, I'll continue to listen, and I'm looking for help, off, and the quickening is upon us. | |
| And I can't even believe you were listening to that guy named Steve earlier. | ||
| He doesn't know what a UL rating is, but he's making a timely. | ||
| No, he knew what it was. | ||
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And there were too many of these. | |
| It took a little too long to come up with the answers. | ||
| Well, no, no, no. | ||
| See, you're a little wrong. | ||
| It's just Steven's personality. | ||
| It's his persona. | ||
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It's the way he speaks. | |
| Not everybody is a professional speaker. | ||
| You're talking about an amateur here. | ||
| I mean, you know, a guy who's just a guy. | ||
| And that's what a lot of people have to understand. | ||
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I appreciate the call. | |
| Same deal with Madman Mark. | ||
| I mean, a lot of other people I've interviewed. | ||
| These are not professional speakers. | ||
| These guys aren't going on the lecture circuit. | ||
| They don't, you know, they're just guys. | ||
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But that's why it's so interesting, because they're just guys. | |
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
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Now, here again, Art Bell. | |
| Man, I just can't believe it. | ||
| So many people don't get it. | ||
| They just don't get it. | ||
| A lot of things I do, I do because they're fun. | ||
| A lot of guests I have on here, I have on because they're fun. | ||
| And then again, you never know. | ||
| And a lot of people just don't get it. | ||
| Maybe I ought to be grateful for that fact. | ||
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I guess I'll just let everybody else continue to do what they're doing. | |
| You know, I'm reading. | ||
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Right now, I'm in a chat room. | |
| All right? | ||
| On America Online. | ||
| Yes, I'm up in the Grassy Knoll again. | ||
| If you want to join us, come on in. | ||
| Go on America Online. | ||
| Go to keyword, enter Art Bell. | ||
| And when you get there, just click on the Grassy Knoll chat room, and we'll be in there. | ||
| You'll see us. | ||
| They're in there saying, let's see what kind of things, all kinds of things about Steve. | ||
| You know, he was a wacko. | ||
| No, I don't know that at all. | ||
| He's been doing this for years. | ||
| He's been a wacko for years, but I don't think so. | ||
| His manner of speaking was slow. | ||
| That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| And I personally thought he was a fascinating, fascinating interview. | ||
| And it's the kind of thing that I love to do. | ||
| And it's the kind of thing a lot of people out there don't get. | ||
| But what the industry is beginning to get is that the ratings, Los Angeles, San Diego, Portland, Seattle, I could go on and on with the cities, number one, city after city after city. | ||
| So even though some of them out there don't get it, apparently enough people do. | ||
| Incidentally, what I told you about that satellite is right. | ||
| Here it is, AP from Robert at KQMS. | ||
| An important communications satellite is out of service. | ||
| Just as its transfer to another owner is about to occur. | ||
| Telstar 401 carries material for ABC, Fox, and PBS, among others. | ||
| It's been out of operation now for several days. | ||
| Operators are not sure if they can ever get it back. | ||
| Most signals have been rerouted, and none of the networks was forced off the air. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Dead. | ||
| Dead in space. | ||
| Lost in space, folks. | ||
| Telstar 401, not lost, really. | ||
| Dead. | ||
| Very serious. | ||
| Very, very serious. | ||
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My, oh, my. | |
| Sure glad it wasn't the satellite I'm on. | ||
| See, there is Providence for you. | ||
| Or maybe it was, and Steve went back and fixed it for me. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| I listened to you in a fall sleep. | ||
| Very good program. | ||
| But tonight I woke up and I hear you talking about electromagnetic force. | ||
| Yes, uh-huh. | ||
| Where are you, by the way? | ||
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I'm in Duluth, Minnesota. | |
| Duluth. | ||
| Oh, it's cold up there, huh? | ||
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Oh, it is. | |
| But there's some strange things that happen, and I just kind of wondered if, and I heard about this HARP project that our government has. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And some years ago, there were two tugboats here in Duluth that went down in the water, and nobody knew how that happened. | ||
| And I started to think about electromagnetic force. | ||
| I was wondering if our government has some kind of electromagnetic force where they can tip things over. | ||
| And then there was a rush of accidents. | ||
| There was like ferry boats tipping over. | ||
| Trains running into each other. | ||
| And now, here in two harbors, there's a pilot that went down. | ||
| They don't know why, a train just derailed in the same area, a train just derailed, like 90 cars went over. | ||
| And someone was watching. | ||
| It said that they saw this train coming, and it was going about 40 miles an hour, and came around this curve and was lit with ore. | ||
| It was the last boat that was coming to with ore pellets, was coming to Duluth to fill up the last boat that goes out. | ||
| And every car just went right off the track, topped right over. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| What I would say is, with regard to those various incidents, I can't attribute them to all one thing, or I can't say it's harbour, or I can't say it's any single thing. | ||
| But I can say that events are quickening and they're strange. | ||
| And if you think this year is normal, if you think this weather is normal, then I've got a bridge for you. | ||
| Big one, too cheap. | ||
| I'm telling you, I think there is a weather, a basic, profound weather change going on. | ||
| Just my own personal opinion. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hi, Art. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| This is Markin from Oceanside. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
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And yeah, I saw my first ever what would be called meteorite last Thursday. | |
| I was on a Greyhound bus coming from San Diego to Oceanside, and I was astounded. | ||
| I saw it over around La Jolla, that area, and it was, I've seen a lot of shooting stars. | ||
| That was a meteorite and was burning up, breaking up, and I just jumped in the seat right there. | ||
| Okay, when was this? | ||
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This was last Thursday, I believe it was, around 10.10. | |
| I looked at my watch, and it was pretty incredible. | ||
| And another thing, you were talking about the time and space warps and stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And they had something about UFOs and Discovery Channel, and they had. | |
| They've been doing a whole series. | ||
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Yeah, and they had an example of a signal that was sent in World War II to the Queen Mary ship. | |
| Right. | ||
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And its signal was the same as the present Queen Elizabeth II ship. | |
| And 50 years, what is it, 50 years after World War II, the Queen Elizabeth II picked up that signal and they realized it was sent in World War II. | ||
| Figure that out. | ||
| It's been bouncing around in space. | ||
| Yeah, this is a, you know what? | ||
| I should not be surprised at Telstar 401 going down. | ||
| I shouldn't be surprised. | ||
| It could have been a lot of things. | ||
| There is a lot of space debris up there, and frankly, it's surprising something hasn't been murdered before. | ||
| That'd be weird. | ||
| I'm on a KU-band satellite. | ||
| I think it's GE-1. | ||
| We're on GE-1 now. | ||
| And any second, something could come along and go slicing through GE-1 like a hot knife through butter, and I'd be gone. | ||
| That'd be it. | ||
| So I'm dependent on GE-1. | ||
| I'm dependent on C-5. | ||
| Two satellites. | ||
| And if either one of them encountered something in space at any moment that shouldn't be there, there's enough kinetic energy to turn either one of those into space dust. | ||
|
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You follow me. | |
| East of the Rockies, you're on air. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Burlington, Vermont, calling Art. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| I don't know if you've discussed this or not. | ||
| I haven't been listening all that much, but the calm air flight into Detroit, did you hear one of the explanations? | ||
| Well, what I heard was that they believe the right engine became uncontrollable, and all of the controls in the aircraft were in the off position, trying to get that engine turned off. | ||
| That's all they know that I had heard. | ||
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Yeah, I heard, you know, not that detailed, but they said when it leveled off to 4,000 feet on approach, an event took place. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| With no further explanation. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And all they found was every control that would have turned that right engine off to be in the off position. | ||
| In other words, the pilot, I think he had 38 seconds, tried desperately to get that engine turned off. | ||
| Couldn't do it. | ||
| So an event, we'll find out or not. | ||
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Thanks for it. | |
| You're welcome, sir. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| First time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yeah, hi, Art. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Yeah, hi. | ||
| This is Sid from Santa Rosa. | ||
| Hello, Sid. | ||
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And I just managed to turn my radio off. | |
| I wanted to call and talk to you about a couple of things. | ||
| First, I wanted to talk to you about time travel. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the thing that I found unusual, and it's not that he wasn't well spoken or that he didn't seem sincere in his beliefs. | ||
| Maybe I'm going out on the limb in saying you find it a fascinating interview, but I think in your heart of heart, you probably would have to see a little bit more proof before you go along with the program. | ||
| Oh, look, wait a minute. | ||
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Wait a minute. | |
| I didn't say that I embraced it, believed it. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| I never said that. | ||
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Well, yeah, no, I understand that. | |
| I said it was a fun, fascinating interview. | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| I thought so, too. | ||
| You see, there is a big difference. | ||
| Now, would I like to have one of those machines and give it a shot? | ||
| You betcha. | ||
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Yeah, well, I mean, I thought just from the standpoint when he talked about the woman who burned up, it probably would have cost him a little bit of trouble, and I doubt that he had a big product liability policy, if you understand what I'm saying. | |
| I do. | ||
| I mean, I brought up the UL approval thing myself. | ||
| Look, what I try to do is I try to interview people on subjects that other people won't touch. | ||
| And I want to keep doing that. | ||
| Oh, no, and I agree. | ||
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And I enjoy it as much as anybody. | |
| One of the other things. | ||
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Wait a minute. | |
| People should be very, very careful. | ||
| I think that because I do interviews in which I don't rip people apart, that's not my business. | ||
| You know, I let the audience decide about that. | ||
| And because I don't rip people apart, which, by the way, means that a lot of people won't come on, they interpret that as agreement with or belief in whatever topic I happen to be talking about. | ||
| And you know me, I'll talk about anything under the sun. | ||
| That's just not true. | ||
| I do an interview and try to help the person I'm interviewing do the best job they can do. | ||
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Oh, yeah, and in fact, I think that a lot of your listeners can really pick up the atmosphere within which the interview is being held and can get a sense for how you feel about it. | |
| And you don't have to go at the person and question them and belittle them. | ||
| And I'm not saying you do anything like that at all. | ||
| No, the audience can make their own judgment. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I wanted to ask you one other thing. | ||
| And that is, do you have a subscription to Skeptical Inquirer? | ||
| You know, I think I might. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| because Skeptical Enquirer called me and interviewed me, and I'm going to be in that magazine. | ||
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Well, that's neat, because what I was going to say was if you didn't... | |
| Skeptical Inquirer came to me and basically said, why don't you go after these people? | ||
| Why don't you rip them up? | ||
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Why don't you make them demand proof? | |
| Do this, do that. | ||
| I said, no, that isn't what I do. | ||
| And they were flabbergasted. | ||
| It was like, they didn't know what to say. | ||
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I said, look, I let these people tell their story. | |
| And so I don't know how the article will come out. | ||
| They'll probably come after me. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
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You know what I would really enjoy is to see you get somebody from Skeptical Inquirer on your show. | |
| Would love to. | ||
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And the thing I was going to say is if you didn't have a subscription, I would like to give you one as a gift because as much as I enjoy your show, this is the pendulum swinging completely to the other side, and I think you get a real kick out of the magazine. | |
| Oh, look, I'd love to do it. | ||
| I'd love to have somebody like that on. | ||
| No question about it. | ||
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Okay, thank you much, Art. | |
| All right, take care. | ||
| But look, look, there are different categories of guests, folks. | ||
| When you interview somebody like my guest tonight, who is not a pro, as I said, he's not on a lecture circuit. | ||
| He's not a professional speaker. | ||
| A lot of times, that's the only difference between the way a lot of people in the audience will regard somebody, since they're used to listening to the slick media, between the way they'll regard them as credible or a fruitcake nutcase type is the presentation, the articulation of the guest. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| A lot of people who have invented things that have been as real as a heart attack and have changed the world have not been particularly articulate in the spoken language. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| And just because somebody does not come across as a polished speaker doesn't mean that they might not be their own sort of a quiet brilliance, have their own sort of quiet brilliance, and you just can't necessarily figure that out based on whether or not somebody is a very polished speaker. | ||
| And if you want to know the truth, a lot of times I enjoy interviewing the very common type people, like this man, or like Mad Man, or like I could name many others that I've interviewed in that category. | ||
| And I will continue to do so. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello, Art. | ||
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Mark in Nashville. | |
| Hi. | ||
| Art, you've been following this on the cocaine tobacco mummies. | ||
| Cocaine tobacco mummies? | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| They had an interesting article on Discovery Channel last night about it. | ||
| This woman scientist, and I don't recall her name, and she's a forensic scientist, and she's also into archaeology, and she has discovered that some of the mummies that she's uncovered have got their bodies full of cocaine and tobacco. | ||
| Really? | ||
| These products were not known in the old world. | ||
| They come from the Americas. | ||
| How in the world did that? | ||
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Of course, the scientific community and the archaeological field and all that did not accept her findings. | |
| She did more extensive tests. | ||
| She used one forensic test. | ||
| Look, usually when a scientist comes out with a finding like that that disputes what a lot of regular science says, they get their careers ruined. | ||
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Well, she published a paper on it, and then that's when everybody come in on her. | |
| Jumped on her, yeah. | ||
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And so she went and did one extra test on it where they take the hair, a hair, the hair follicle, and they do a certain test. | |
| They wash it with alcohol and everything. | ||
| They analyze the alcohol solution. | ||
| And if there's no cocaine in that alcohol solution and they find it in the hair follicle itself, then the substance had to be there at the time of death, or before death. | ||
| And what this does to the Egyptian culture and everything is it proves that Egypt might not have been the center of civilization, as they all believe and everything founded on in that country. | ||
| And in further research with some other collaborators on this, they found pineapples on the carvings in China and certain places, which they came from the Americas and other things that came from the Western world. | ||
| And these things go back like 5,000 years. | ||
| Now, what I thought was interesting about this, there are a lot of things that are coming to the surface now, and it involves Hailbob, what's going on in Egypt over there, in Jerusalem and everything. | ||
| And this could only lead to one thing, that there were either trade routes established back way before Columbus's time between this part of the world and the old world. | ||
| And, you know, the steppe pyramids that are in South America and all, they might have been learned by the Egyptians from there or vice versa. | ||
| And there's some interconnectedness there. | ||
| And I just wondered if maybe this might not be some of the things that Ed Dames is going to disclose when he's down in the South Pacific. | ||
| Well, now that is speculation, sir. | ||
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That is speculation, but it would sure be a good thing to focus on. | |
| We're going to find out on the 30th. | ||
| I've got to be honest with you, I'm dying to know what he's going to say, too. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Tired of missing talk shows? | ||
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Hmm? | |
| Well, you don't have to miss them anymore if you have real talk. | ||
| A lot of people sell real talk, think Rush was selling it. | ||
| I don't know if he still does or not. | ||
| When he did, or if he does, it's $144.95. | ||
| And real talk is an AM-FM radio with a quarter-speed tape deck built in. | ||
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It operates on batteries, or you can plug it into the wall. | |
| That means you can record something at home, then take it in your car, your truck, or whatever. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| It's a great deal. | ||
| It's got timed recording, which means you can set it to come on at a certain time, go off. | ||
| 10-memory presets, built-in microphone, built-in headphone jack. | ||
| It's quite a piece of gear for $144.95, but don't buy it from anybody else because we've got a better deal. | ||
| We'll include shipping and handling. | ||
| Plus, we'll include one free 90-minute tape. | ||
| That is a good deal. | ||
| That's better than anybody else's deal. | ||
| Real talk. | ||
| The talk radio person's necessity. | ||
| Call Bob Crane to get one in the morning, and the number is 1-800-522-8863. | ||
| That's 1-800-522-8863. | ||
| The C. Crane Company. | ||
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| Okie dokie, back we go east of the Rockies. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi. | ||
| Do you have the zip code on that Nebraska, Clearwater, Nebraska? | ||
| Oh, you would ask me for that right now, and I got paper all over my room. | ||
| Yeah, well, you could take your time. | ||
| I could? | ||
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Yeah, I'll just hang up the phone, and if you find it, was there a price on that catalog? | |
| I think you said a buck or something. | ||
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Yeah, okay. | |
| Well, I'll just hang up my phone, listen to the radio, and when you get the number. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| I'm in Oklahoma. | ||
| Oklahoma. | ||
| All right, well, I'll see what I can do. | ||
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All right, thank you. | |
| All right, thank you. | ||
| I had it, but, you know, I got about a million faxes. | ||
| That's another thing. | ||
| You should have seen the fax machine yourself. | ||
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Absolutely nice. | |
| And I have faxes all over my room. | ||
| Oh, well, I'll see what I can do. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Oh, hi, Arcal. | |
| This is Derek in New Mexico. | ||
| Okay, extinguish thy radio, please. | ||
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It is, yep. | |
| That's good. | ||
| A couple of months ago before the show, Edna, we talked about me sending you some audio tapes featuring Michael Wolfe, being reviewed by Chuck Harbor. | ||
| Did you get these? | ||
| I sent them registered and certified. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Michael Wolfe. | ||
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Yeah, he's a fascinating guy. | |
| He's a hard factual guy, like Bob Lazar. | ||
| He's not a German kind of person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he worked for the government. | ||
| He worked in Area 51, Area S4. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Did you listen to the tapes? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
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Okay, well, he was so popular at Chuck Harder's show that they asked him to come back, and he did like a week later. | |
| Now, I have tapes of that interview by Chuck Harder, also. | ||
| I can send it to you in a week or so. | ||
| Well, if you have a contact number for this fellow, that would be of more use to me. | ||
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Well, yeah, I don't, but don't you have access to Chuck Harder? | |
| In other words, well, y'all, sure, I have access to this. | ||
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He's a good friend of Chuck Harder, and Chuck Harder will view the motorcycle. | |
| Well, I suppose I could call the Chuckster up and ask for the number. | ||
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Yeah, but I think he's a tested guy, and I hope you'd agree. | |
| All right, well, you know me. | ||
| I'll, hey, I'll interview anybody who's interested, one way or the other. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| I mean, why limit our universe, huh? | ||
| It's strange out there, and strange as fun, and that's me. | ||
| I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CBC Network. | ||
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The Food and Drug Administration wants to take the popular allergy medicine, Celdane, off the market because of its potentially deadly side effects. | |
| Celdane can cause problems with liver disease or cause problems with patients taking certain antifungal agents or antibiotics. | ||
| FDA spokesman Dr. Robert Temple says a new drug called Allegra provides all of the benefits of Celdane, but without any of the risk when mixed with other medications. | ||
| The question no longer became, should Celdane be available along with Claritin and along with the others. | ||
| It's should you continue to market Celdane when you can get 100% of the benefit from taking its active metabolite and reduce the risk to zero. | ||
| This is the CBC Radio Network. | ||
| We are the ones. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| Great to be here. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| Anybody else out there want to talk about time travel? | ||
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Where would you go? | |
| What would you do? | ||
| When those diodes began to expand your soul and the zero vector kicked in, and the magnet was square over your belly and you began to vaporize into a different year, where would you go and what would you do? | ||
| That requires a little bit of thought. | ||
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You're getting sick of the O.J. Simpson business, me too. | |
| Boy, man, that's back In the news again, big time. | ||
| Third story every day, O.J. Simpson. | ||
| I'm sick of looking at his shoes. | ||
| I don't even know anymore if I care whether they were his shoes or not. | ||
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Fake photograph, real photograph. | |
| The whole thing. | ||
| And I was one of those riveted to the O.J. Simpson trial, but I'm really sick of it. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello? | ||
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Oh, let me kill my radio on. | |
| Kill your radio. | ||
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Yeah, I'm out driving on a cell phone, so I hope I can hang on. | |
| I've been trying to get a hold of you, since you and Ramona got into the Wormwood discussion with the Bible. | ||
| That's a long time ago, Dan. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| Often on it, and I try when I drive. | ||
| But some further facts on that are just to contemplate about, if you think about the description that Wormwood, they talk about Wormwood, and then you take that over, and did you know that the word Chernobyl translated as Wormwood? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
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think that is fascinating. | |
| Another thing that I wanted to And did you know that there are some who think there could be an explosion? | ||
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I think there's a lot of things you don't know that is going to be taking place in this next coming year. | |
| You got it. | ||
| This is going to be a happening year. | ||
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One other thing, real quick, Pam and her reptilian lovers and stuff? | |
| Yep. | ||
| Well, there's a couple of things that I find interesting. | ||
| And one of those is as I was listening to you, and I've been listening to some tapes from this guy called Tuck Nestor who goes into, he's a Bible scholar, but he goes along with a lot of the stuff like what Togner and others talk about and a lot of the old Hebrew text that's never been translated quite correctly in the English language. | ||
| But I was listening to that and there were some tapes that he had on Mars and the Nephilim. | ||
| And think about this and go back to the encounter that Pam had with the reptilian. | ||
| But remember the movie Rosemary's Baby? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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I believe that was a prophetic movie about the birth of the Antichrist. | |
| And did you take the timetable when that was? | ||
| Well, I mean, they didn't call Rosemary's lizard. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| But think about it. | ||
| Well, listen, I got to go. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, Pamela called me about a week ago, and she's had another encounter, which she described as satisfying, but non-sexual. | ||
| I didn't press for details, but that's what she said. | ||
| West of the Rockies, make that the wildcard line. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi. | |
| How are you? | ||
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Well, pretty good. | |
| I'm in Portland, Oregon. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And one thing I just thought about the other day, I thought about you, is that we had Hal's birthday yesterday. | ||
| Hal 2000. | ||
| Yes, that's right. | ||
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And that was kind of interesting. | |
| I knew that. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Hal's birthday was yesterday, and unfortunately, I was not on the air, so I very belated. | ||
| Happy birthday to Hal. | ||
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Well, you know, they're just one step ahead of IBM anyway. | |
| Kind of different note. | ||
| So I had heard of this, there's this veterinary doctor that he's been studying to be, he studied actually and became a human doctor, if you will. | ||
| And he's got some interesting things to say about how the medical profession tries to hold back the nutrition game instead of so that we can take expensive treatments instead of just having nutrition. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Heaven forbid, nutrition should keep people healthy in doctors' offices. | ||
| What would they do? | ||
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Well, he said they should, you know, use the same kind of stuff we use on veterinary science to cure people because if they had to do the same thing for the animals, we'd never have any food. | |
| I see. | ||
| All right, well, thank you. | ||
| I've been told there are a lot of people who use veterinary medicine for human condition. | ||
| I'm not sure it's a really good idea. | ||
| I mean, the dosage, for example, for an elephant would have to be carefully computed for a human. | ||
| And if you didn't do that, why? | ||
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Well, you can use your own imagination on that one. | |
| First time caller line, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hi. | |
| Well, I think we just missed them, so sorry. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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unidentified
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Hi, Art. | |
| This is Terry from Washington. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Along the lines of the movie The Langoliers. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you applied that to what Steve was talking about tonight. | ||
| That was such a great movie. | ||
| I love The Langoliers. | ||
| I watched it twice. | ||
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I know, but it wouldn't work for time travel because everything would get gobbled up in the past, so you wouldn't be able to go back there, and there would be nothing in the future yet. | |
| Well, I wasn't suggesting the same thing that Stephen was talking about. | ||
| I just thought the movie as a movie, particularly before the Langoliers showed up, you know, munching on things, it was so suspenseful, and I had no idea where it was going. | ||
| It was really. | ||
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Oh, I know I recorded the movie. | |
| Oh, so did I. It was great. | ||
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But the other thing, though, too, is that when, who was the guy who was talking about the rods? | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| His name won't come to me. | ||
| Jose Escamilia. | ||
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Anyways, when that show was on, you know, when you interviewed him, the first thing that I thought of was the movie The Langoliers. | |
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because of the way he described the rods, that was the first thing that popped into my mind. | ||
| See, that, too, I thought, was a cool show. | ||
| I mean, everybody, you know, what I do, I bring things that are so different here that when people hear them, they say, you're crazy. | ||
| But then later, these turn out to be classic shows, the most requested. | ||
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Oh, I know. | |
| The most, it's the damnedest thing, the audience reaction sometimes. | ||
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But then Steve was also talking about his little handheld model that he was going to make. | |
| I thought that was pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, but that was untested. | ||
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What brings to mind on that is, have you seen the show Sliders? | |
| No. | ||
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Oh, well, you've got to check that out because these guys have this handheld thing that they push a button and it slides them into a different dimension. | |
| But I, you know, the things that you were talking about and going, God, I've seen all that stuff on TV. | ||
| There you are. | ||
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All right. | |
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
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Handheld would be me. | |
| Being able to go, you know, I did ask him the question. | ||
| I mean, why not? | ||
| You know, if you're in trouble in time, and why not just, you know, a few months into the future, a look at a few stocks, a couple of quick trades. | ||
|
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Boom. | |
| The turn. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hi. | |
| Hello there. | ||
| Hi, Art. | ||
| Yes, that's me. | ||
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All right. | |
| Boy, I got you so quick. | ||
| I just turned my radio down. | ||
| Well, if you're a disappointed, sir, I'd be glad to put you on hold and take a couple other calls. | ||
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I'm ready. | |
| I'm in Southern California. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
|
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First of all, I'd like to talk a little bit about, you know, Area 51. | |
| And have you read the book by, it was put out by Ben Rich, and it's called Skunk Works. | ||
| You know, it's Lockheed Programs. | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
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Yeah, well, I worked in the Skunk Works for a while. | |
| And, you know, I was supposed to go out to Area 51, but I did a go. | ||
| They sent somebody else. | ||
| Tell us what you know, all your secrets. | ||
| What did you do at the Skunk Works? | ||
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unidentified
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Well, I worked on some of the airplanes they built. | |
| What kind of airplanes? | ||
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unidentified
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The Stealth Fighter. | |
| Stealth Fighter? | ||
| And what exactly did you do for the Stealth? | ||
|
unidentified
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Well, I can't tell you that. | |
| Come on, sir. | ||
| Violate something for us here on the air. | ||
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No, I. Just say I was part of the assembly team. | |
| Vicente Assembly team, all right. | ||
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And that's about 5,000 people, so. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But, and what I was going to say, you know, the thing that gets me about these, you know, if we ever talk one-on-one, I could probably share some things with you sometime. | ||
| You could violate? | ||
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Well, I don't know. | |
| I mean, since Ben wrote that book, you know, there's a lot of stuff in there. | ||
| So they never tell you how much you can talk about. | ||
| You know, so. | ||
| They don't? | ||
| You mean you don't have to sign an agreement? | ||
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Oh, I do, but once it's declassified, I mean, you know, there's, you know, so it's, you know, they'll never find me anyway, hopefully, unless somebody's tapping my line. | |
| So you put part S-47 into which assembly? | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, something like that. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
|
unidentified
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Area 51. | |
| It's real, you know. | ||
|
unidentified
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Very, very real. | |
| Area 51 is just gone over the hill here. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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unidentified
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Good morning, Art. | |
| I have a question for you with respect to time travel. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
unidentified
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I called you last late. | |
| You probably remember I was the blind guy from Portland. | ||
| Oh, yes, yes, yes. | ||
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Crushed my face a motorcycle right now. | |
| Yes, sir, I recall. | ||
|
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Now, supposing I could go back to time and perhaps could have somehow prevented the guy from turning in front of me, what would happen to the blind David now? | |
| Well, according to Stephen Gibbs, the blind David would not be blind. | ||
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He would not be blind. | |
| Not according to Stephen. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Now, would I come back? | ||
| I mean, also, when I went back into time, would I be blind? | ||
| Well, that's... | ||
| You know, that's one I can't answer. | ||
| I'm sorry, I don't have Stephen here to answer that. | ||
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Gosh, is there a way that maybe I could give you my number off there? | |
| And I didn't get. | ||
| I'm the only one here. | ||
| There's no way I can, you know, unless you catch me before or after the program. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| So I can't answer. | ||
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Because I'd like to get us cataloged. | |
| I understand. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Worth a shot. | ||
| Well, I guess that's the way to go, is to get us cataloged. | ||
| And I've been rummaging here looking for the paper. | ||
| I've got about a million papers all over the place. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Can't find anything. | ||
|
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I didn't hear him say anything on your talk show tonight. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, I'll see what I can do. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I looked through so much stuff here, and I know it's here. | ||
|
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I'm just not sure where. | |
| The other very, very interesting thing was that his device begins with the 7.8 hertz frequency, which is, as a matter of fact, a frequency that is thought to be the frequency in which the brain operates. | ||
| Substitute word soul, whatever you want. | ||
| The brain, the soul, the id, the whatever it is that we are, the energy we are, resonates at that frequency. | ||
| And that's where he begins. | ||
| It was very interesting. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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unidentified
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Hello. | |
| Hi, I had a great interview tonight. | ||
| This is Dan from your district. | ||
| Hi, Dan. | ||
| I thought it was fun. | ||
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Oh, golly. | |
| You know, I'm going to get that catalog. | ||
| I mean, even if it doesn't work, he was still a great guy to listen to. | ||
| I know. | ||
| How often do you get a time machine catalog? | ||
| Whether or not you get the machine. | ||
| How many time machine catalogs? | ||
| I mean, I get a lot of catalogs at my house, right? | ||
| Computer companies? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My wife gets Victoria's Secret. | ||
| And we got a bunch of other catalogs come to the house. | ||
| But I've never had a time machine catalog come to the house. | ||
|
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Never. | |
| Well, maybe Sea Cream can start carrying it if it's a good thing. | ||
| Now tell me, would that be something to have on your coffee table or what? | ||
|
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Hey, man. | |
| You know? | ||
| The Gibbs time machine catalog. | ||
|
unidentified
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See, I've got something to share with you. | |
| Go. | ||
| Besides hoping that you get this guy back on again, which I'm sure you will, so we can keep up with him. | ||
| And also, Stan Day, I would love to hear him again. | ||
| Stan's coming to Nevada. | ||
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Oh, good. | |
| And also, I got that information packet from Mark McCandlish, and it's super. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
|
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And boy, if you could get him on again, that'd be great because he's got a lot of stuff left to tell you that he didn't have time for. | |
| I'll get Mark back on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right, my friend. | ||
| Yeah, I'll get Mark McCandlish back on. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| You betcha. | ||
| He is a riveting guest as well. | ||
| 7.8 hertz. | ||
| By the way, I want to thank all the hands out there. | ||
| There are a number of short wave frequencies right now that have signals on them that are completely wrong. | ||
| And when I say wrong, I mean there are signals at strengths with types of modulation that I've never heard. | ||
| And that includes a lot of other hands. | ||
| And I'm going to try to get those frequencies for you. | ||
| There's some odd things going on out there right now. | ||
| And I'm not necessarily saying, I want to be very careful what I'm saying here. | ||
| I'm not saying that these are ET signals or anything. | ||
| I'm just saying there are a lot of medium wave 5 to 9 megahertz signals that are not easily explained. | ||
|
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Okay? | |
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Morning, Ark. | ||
| This is Michael from Kansas City. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I was calling in regard to the gentleman from, what was it, Portland? | ||
| The one who wanted to go back and get his eyesight back? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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The answer would be if he was to go back, he would do whatever it was he would do that was necessary to prevent the accident from happening. | |
| Yeah, but how would he do his question was when he was there, would he have sight? | ||
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When he was there, no. | |
| Well, then how would he be able to negotiate his way around to prevent the accident? | ||
|
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Well, he would need help. | |
| But once he did prevent it, then it would be regained. | ||
| Okay, well, his real question was whether he would have sight immediately upon arriving. | ||
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No, it had to be. | |
| I couldn't answer that. | ||
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It has to be fixed first. | |
| Then he'd get it. | ||
| How can you know that? | ||
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Oh, just mathematical probabilities, theories, reading books for a lifetime. | |
| I got a degree in physics, and it's always simple dynamics has always been a hobby of mine. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What's my personal theory, anyway? | ||
| What did you think of Stephen Gibbs? | ||
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I'd want one of those. | |
| All right, I really would. | ||
| I appreciate the call. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
|
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Hey, Arthur, this is Curtis from San Diego. | |
| Hello, Curtis. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| Very well. | ||
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Well, I talked to you about that man you had on, and I've heard you. | |
| It's not that I don't think I got what he was saying, or that I've heard a lot of your guests before, and some know how to speak well, and some don't. | ||
| And I just didn't agree with him at all. | ||
| I just had a hunch about him that he's just not telling the truth. | ||
| I think he's making it up. | ||
| Maybe he was. | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| So we all have that. | ||
| We could all do that if we want. | ||
| I had a. | ||
| Let me hear you do it. | ||
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Well, I'm a time traveler, Art. | |
| Where are you from? | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I can't lie very good. | ||
| See, you can't do it. | ||
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I was going to ask you. | |
| You can't do it, so. | ||
| Well, I'm all right. | ||
| Fine, sir. | ||
| I rest my case. | ||
|
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I was going to ask you about... | |
| I mean, you said I could do that, so I said go ahead. | ||
| Anyway, what do you want to ask about Roswell? | ||
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unidentified
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Okay, Roswell. | |
| The UFO was crashed, and the government took it. | ||
| And that's been like 40, 50 years ago now. | ||
| And what I believe is a new book coming out. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, I heard about that. | |
| It's called The Day After Roswell, supposed to blow the lid off the whole thing. | ||
|
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Well, if the government, the federal government, as much money as we put into it, has had it for 50 years, just that UFO, amongst others all over the world, they've got to have figured out how it flies, what it's made of. | |
| And I think why they're keeping it from the public is because if we knew the simple formula of making a UFO, everybody would have one. | ||
| I know that formula, sir. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| We would all have one, and that would be too much power for us to have. | ||
| I know that formula. | ||
| I could tell you that formula. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| What's it made of? | ||
| I'd have to kill you. | ||
| Do you want to understand what I'm saying, though? | ||
| I do, sir, but I think I proved my point. | ||
| Well, I'll be right back. | ||
| This is the American CBC Radio Network. | ||
|
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Stay booked. | |
| Stay booked. | ||
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| I'd like to meet the idiot who invented child-proof lighters. | ||
| You know it? | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hi. | |
| Good morning. | ||
| How are you doing, Art? | ||
| I'm doing very well, sir. | ||
|
unidentified
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Where are you? | |
| I'm present. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Been listening to you about three days now. | ||
| I have one word. | ||
| Intrigued. | ||
| I like what you do. | ||
| You've been listening for three days? | ||
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Three or four days now, yeah. | |
| Wow, that's not long. | ||
|
unidentified
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No, not at all. | |
| I like what you do, though. | ||
| I just want to talk about the weather changes that you're talking about. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I feel it's more than just weather. | ||
| It's somewhat solar. | ||
| It's what? | ||
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It's just the whole polar system. | |
| Everything is changing. | ||
| Changing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It may be that you know the expanding universe theory, right? | ||
|
unidentified
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Yes, I've heard of that a little bit. | |
| Well, it may be like the Roadrunner. | ||
| You know, you've seen Roadrunner cartoons where they're on an elastic band, they just go way out there, and then they sort of pause for a second, and they start coming back. | ||
| Maybe we're just slightly past the pause, we're on our way back, and everything is reversing. | ||
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And everything's going backwards. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't understand that. | |
| I think that it's more like things get closer and closer to the sun and we just move to another planet. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| We're trying to go to Mars. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, and think about the Atlanteans and stuff like that. | ||
| Well, if we keep up the way we're going, Mars' atmosphere is going to look hospitable. | ||
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Yeah, totally. | |
| Without a doubt, we won't be able to live there for much longer. | ||
| It'll be too hot. | ||
| Well, I appreciate your thoughts, sir. | ||
| It could well be, or my contracting universe theory could be correct as well. | ||
| Or none of it could be true, and it could be all millennium madness. | ||
| But I rather doubt that now than I rather embrace the fact that something real is going on. | ||
| But that's just me. | ||
| East of the Rockies, and a lot of other people. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on there. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Good morning, Art. | ||
| Morning. | ||
| I've been saving up two subjects for a while. | ||
| First, Mr. Markham and his machine. | ||
| Remember when he was talking about the part where he had one little machine where he threw the screw through it and it disappeared? | ||
| I do. | ||
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And it reappeared. | |
| Well, for me, that meant that the screw went into time, and then when it reappeared, was when our time caught up to where it was in time. | ||
| That could have been. | ||
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All right, now he's afraid to go through this thing. | |
| Well, we were messing with some fiber optic bundles that were, gee, a good half-inch square and three or four foot long. | ||
| We had picked up at a show, but we could actually get optical pictures through this thing. | ||
| Why don't he think about some kind of a fiber optic bundle to poke through there with video equipment on this end to see where it went? | ||
| Well, it's an idea, but this was. | ||
| Now, hold tight for a minute. | ||
| It was his view that the gigantic electrical magnetic field that would be created, people said things like, get a long stick and put a video recorder and stick it through. | ||
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unidentified
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Well, that would be metal. | |
| Well, a fiber optic line, though, would be disrupted by the same field. | ||
|
unidentified
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You figure? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, it's as good a suggestion as any. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Now, the second thing, Whitley Strieber, when he was on Dreamland there a week or so ago, one of the things he said was one of the viewers said that Hail Mary broke away from Hailbob, and that's all he said. | ||
| Well, about three or four weeks ago, I had like a little premonition of this. | ||
| I think I sent you a fact that I thought this thing was going to break away and go in Earth orbit around the Sun in our orbit, only be 180 degrees from us, so we'd never see it on the other side of the Sun. | ||
| Anything is possible. | ||
| It may be possible that in another dimension right now, they're watching X-Files and all the rest of this sort of stuff being delivered by, guess what? | ||
| Telstar 401. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Good morning, Art. | |
| I'm calling from Joshua Tree, California. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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unidentified
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And I have a suggestion. | |
| Why not make the same offer to Stephen Gibbons that you made to Mad Markham, but if he's willing to demonstrate his technology to see whether or not it works, that you'll film it? | ||
| I don't need to. | ||
| All I'd need to do, if I really wanted to do it, would be to send away to get a catalog or get one of the machines and give it a shot. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| Right? | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| It's a little different with Mad Man because he's got a gigantic machine in a warehouse. | ||
| There'd be no other way other than to fly out there and film the thing. | ||
|
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But I just thought maybe before buying it that you'd want to see whether it works or not. | |
| Well, if I was just suddenly gone one day, I mean, gone, disappeared, poof, what would you guys think? | ||
|
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Well, that it works. | |
| So either way, you can either buy the machine and try it yourself or have them demonstrate it. | ||
| Frankly, I don't think anybody's really going to much get by one anyway. | ||
| He said he had three in stock. | ||
| I asked him how long it took. | ||
| It took quite a while to make one. | ||
|
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So based on the number of listeners, he can make one a day if he works real hard at it because it takes him 9 to 12 hours to make one. | |
| That's what he said. | ||
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unidentified
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So he'll make one every day. | |
| Yeah, but he's got three in stock, sir. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, so he'll probably get 5,000 orders for sure. | |
| Like a book. | ||
| Anyway, I thought he was quite an interesting guest. | ||
| Yeah, so did I. Thank you very much for the call. | ||
|
unidentified
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You bet. | |
| Take care. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
|
unidentified
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Good morning, Art. | |
| Good morning. | ||
|
unidentified
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Do you know what Steve Gibbs' interview does to somebody that has always listened to anything to do with time travel, watched any time travel movies, has always been fascinated with it? | |
| What does it do? | ||
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unidentified
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It makes me want to go get $360 and jump in the car and drive to Nebraska tomorrow. | |
| Fascinating. | ||
| Absolutely fascinating. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
|
unidentified
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Riveting. | |
| And I thought the man sounded so genuine. | ||
| He was not a readied speaker. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what I tell everybody. | ||
| And there are so many people out there. | ||
| I think they're, you know what they are? | ||
| They're little media dupes. | ||
| And if they don't hear somebody who sounds polished like a real downtown speaker, you know, with a real spiel, then they don't believe a word they hear. | ||
| And that tells you how, I guess they've become just too media savvy. | ||
| If it doesn't sound like it would wash on Meet the Press on Sunday, why it's just not believable. | ||
| If it's a regular person, it can't be believable. | ||
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Well, I've got a friend Kevin from Bailey, Colorado. | |
| And as soon as he gets back to town, I know he's looking. | ||
| He needs to call me so we can get together and talk about this thing and possibly go get a machine. | ||
| We're not that far from where he lives here in Denver. | ||
| It's just fascinating. | ||
| I don't want my audience to begin disappearing in droves. | ||
| And by the way, if you are going to travel, folks, at least make it in the last 13 years. | ||
| You know, you can join the show a few years ago. | ||
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It was an excellent show audience. | |
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| I really do enjoy the whole subject and always have of time travel. | ||
| And I do believe, whether it's Stephen Gibbs, Mad Man, or somebody like him, or somebody else out there that I've not yet spoken with nor interviewed, that one day it will be possible. | ||
| If it's not this day, then one day. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello. | |
| Hey, Hart. | ||
| Hey, sir. | ||
| This is Fred in Rotor and Idaho up at the Panhandle. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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unidentified
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How are you tonight? | |
| I am fine. | ||
|
unidentified
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Man, are you hard to get a hold of? | |
| Well, I've heard that so many times with so many people. | ||
| I've been keeping a list. | ||
| I've been listening to you for about a month. | ||
| A good friend of mine told me about you, and I've got four things, if I might. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Number one is the movie Independence Day. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Have you ever looked at the publicity that was put out on that? | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| When it started back last year about this time? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever looked at the theme of the movie? | ||
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What it's all about? | |
| Yes, I've got a copy of the script. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I've got the movie. | ||
| I've got a Copy of the script? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Why do you ask? | ||
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Well, the theme is a one-world government, is it not? | |
| And the end. | ||
| Well, that's just a thought. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Well, no, it really isn't. | ||
| It's a one-world cause, but if you watched and listened very carefully, Washington instructed the other nations on how to destroy the craft. | ||
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Right. | |
| There was no one-world formation. | ||
| There was a one-world effort, not a one-world government. | ||
| That's the way I remember it anyway. | ||
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But at the end, what happened? | |
| At the end? | ||
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Oh, well, it's just food for thought. | |
| I scratched my head. | ||
| I thought about that, and I watched it again, and I watched it again. | ||
| Of course, I had to buy a copy of it, right? | ||
| I thought the end was dumb. | ||
| I didn't like the end. | ||
| I didn't like the end. | ||
| I thought that the aliens. | ||
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I liked the look on the aliens' face when that rocket was flying off. | |
| I thought the aliens should have won. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like Green Bay. | ||
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Yeah, they were pretty advanced. | |
| The aliens should have kicked our butts, and we should have lost. | ||
| Then it would have been, you know, the one cool thing about that movie, I know this doesn't, you may not hear this said elsewhere, but the aliens didn't want to make a deal. | ||
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No, not at all. | |
| They didn't want any of our stuff. | ||
| They didn't want to use us or eat us. | ||
| They just wanted us to die. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That part of it was great. | ||
| It was after that when things started falling apart, when the president went to Area 51 and all the rest of that, baloney. | ||
| I could have done without that. | ||
| I think the human race could have put up a valiant fight, done the best we could, but we got obliterated. | ||
| Maybe a few of us might have made it to Mars or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But so that there could have been a threat of the beginning of the human race again or something. | ||
| But, you know, it would have been a more realistic movie. | ||
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Excuse me. | |
| That's right. | ||
| I've got the creeping crud. | ||
| I've been fighting it for. | ||
| That's my other topic. | ||
| How in the heck do the places that make the vaccines know what's coming and when? | ||
| Very, very dark. | ||
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Where do they get the stuff? | |
| It's a very dark thought. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Very dark thought. | ||
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I've been thinking that for about five years. | |
| Where do they get it? | ||
| How do they know when it's coming and when? | ||
| I don't want to answer that. | ||
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And I get my suspicions. | |
| Because I thought I'm here and I always get that. | ||
| I have my own suspicions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Thanks for the call. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Some guy in a dark overcoat dumping little vinyls into a reservoir somewhere. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello? | ||
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Hello? | |
| Hello. | ||
| Now, see, you've got to turn your radio. | ||
| Boy, I have to fight to get through, you hung up. | ||
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West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | |
| First time caller line, you're on the air. | ||
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Have you ever heard of Jenny Randalls? | |
| Jenny Randalls? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She's an English paranormal studier. | ||
| She's written a book called Time Travel. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And she's pretty well known in England. | ||
| She states that all of the alien encounters that we have, the codes that we have, are really travelers from our own future. | ||
| Well, that's certainly possible, isn't it? | ||
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And that they're back here to warn us that we're messing up, we're messing with the planet right now and all of this stuff. | |
| It's kind of interesting as you take all the evidence for aliens now and says that it's really being misunderstood by people. | ||
| But that they're really time travels for moral future, all of this. | ||
| But for instance, the little guys with the real big heads, you know, human evolution, you know, people get smarter and smarter, so their heads get bigger and bigger, and yet people, as they are doing now, exercise less, they get weaker and weaker. | ||
| And so the body kind of shrivels, their heads get real big. | ||
| Anyway, just an interesting thought. | ||
| You might check out a book called Time Travel by her. | ||
| I will look for it, my friend. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I have always been fascinated with the concept of time travel. | ||
| In fact, fascinated with the concept of time, period. | ||
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Absolutely fascinated with the concept of time. | |
| I'm not sure that any of us properly understand it. | ||
| I think that it is our invention. | ||
| And if you embrace that concept that time, you know, may be our invention, then you've got to allow that travel within this thing that we don't understand is entirely possible, perhaps in a way we don't understand. | ||
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Think about that. | |
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, Art. | ||
| This is BJ out in West Covina. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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I was listening to Stephen Gibbs earlier. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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And I wanted to mention that his radio like device sounds very much like an evolution of the Dealer Wart camera, which was invented back in the 50s. | |
| And they used it in England to make time photographs. | ||
| This is a documented fact. | ||
| It was written in a book called The Black Box by Stephen Turner. | ||
| And as far as the frequency goes, 7.8 cycles per second, that's just right in the mid-range of the alpha area. | ||
| And a lot of the yogis, I understand, go beyond that into theta to 4 cycles, and that's how they get some of their effects. | ||
| I just wanted to know that from what I heard him say, it sounds very much like he might have a device that actually works. | ||
| He might. | ||
| Because I have seen models of the Hieronymous machine, the original, and models of the DeLaWar camera, and I've seen the D-low-war camera in action. | ||
| And it's a fascinating machine. | ||
| I keep trying to tell people, just because a guest is a certain way, which makes them easy, you know, somebody talks on a topic like this, no matter how they present it, it's easy to take off at them. | ||
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Yes, it is. | |
| But you've got to be really careful. | ||
| It would seem that the devices would actually work And the guys that make them, these garage gadgeteers, as sometimes they're called, are the ones that are getting hit the most. | ||
| They sound so far off, but yet they're the ones that always come up with the inventions. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| That's, of course, exactly right. | ||
| Sony, you know, began in a garage. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| The Sony Corporation began in a garage. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hey, this is T in Gambling City, right over the hill. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
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All right. | |
| KXNT. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It is new call letters and a new radio station with, I might add now, Rush Limbaugh. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He finally got on. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Hey, I got some information for you. | |
| All right. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Those weight-tossing gyros. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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Yeah, these things, all they do is they shoot weight up about 40 cycles per second. | |
| 40, huh? | ||
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40 cycles upwards at an angle. | |
| And what it does is the weights hit the top and then they cancel out all their G after that. | ||
| But they cancel it out at the top of the oval rotation on the track. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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So it kind of shoots it up like CO2 and like a motorcycle engine. | |
| Huh. | ||
| That's really interesting. | ||
| I'm going to think about that one. | ||
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Yeah, and, you know, if you ever want any information, just say it over the radio and I'll give you a buzz. | |
| All right, my friend. | ||
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Take care. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| KXNT, Las Vegas. | ||
| Used to be KVEG. | ||
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New radio station, new call letters, new owners. | |
| They acquired Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| That tells you where they're going. | ||
| A lot of changes going on. | ||
| KXNT, well, I guess I don't need to tell you in this time slot, of course, we're number one in Las Vegas. | ||
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Way out number one. | |
| But in the rest of the time slots, they're beginning to make changes now. | ||
| KXNT and they are going to eat Las Vegas live. | ||
| Absolutely going to eat Las Vegas live. | ||
| There are people there who understand talk radio at KXNT. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
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Hi. | |
| All right, Mark and Mettery, how you doing? | ||
| Metairie, Louisiana. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| I have something to post to listeners out there concerning time travel, the event of the possibility of going back in the past. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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And creating a paradox by changing something like, let's say, taking a life. | |
| Well, you did hear what my guest had to say about that. | ||
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Oh, yes, sir, I did. | |
| That actually answered the paradox. | ||
| And I've always been unable to get past that. | ||
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Okay, well, let me pose this. | |
| In our everyday present life, there are events that take place all the time, particularly the taking of life prematurely. | ||
| Every day you hear of a person 18 years old, 6 years old, 12 years old, 40 years old, whatever, that was murdered. | ||
| Some Russian people. | ||
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Well, no, it was murdered by a gun or by anything, you know. | |
| They were just, their life was shortened. | ||
| When that happens, in a sense, you change their future. | ||
| Because if they would have been murdered, no telling what that future would have been. | ||
| So why are paradoxes created when that happens? | ||
| Well, maybe because, sir, there are only paradoxes if the change was orchestrated from the future. | ||
| Do you follow me? | ||
| There is no paradox if it's just pure chance in the current timeline. | ||
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Because if that was so, then the present would, I mean, the future would have to be edged in stone. | |
| That's true. | ||
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And since it's not, then what would be the difference if a life is shortened by somebody in the timeline that they're in any other timeline? | |
| All right. | ||
| I think it's because it's just random chance. | ||
| If it's in the current timeline. | ||
| The only paradox problem occurs would be when you change something from the future. | ||
| And I've never had a good answer to that until Mr. Gibbs came along. | ||
| Accept it or not, it was an answer to the paradox. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air. | ||
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Good evening, Art. | |
| This is Ellen in St. Louis. | ||
| Hello, Ellen. | ||
| In response to the man from Oregon, the blind man? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I went to a lecture of Kenneth Ring, who was the near-death experience researcher, and he said a most intriguing thing. | ||
| Very quickly, the show is ending. | ||
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Okay. | |
| People who have MDEs, when they leave their body, they see even blind people, but when they come back, they're blind again. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Having said that, there's only now time for you to say you're going to. | ||
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Good night, America. | |
| That's how it's done, all right? | ||
| Canada. | ||
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Canada and the world. | |
| Cosmos. | ||
| Good night, all. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| This is the American CBC Radio Network. |
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