Inventor Steven Gibbs claims to have built functional time machines since 1986 using tachyon particles and 7.8Hz soul energy, activated by full-moon dowsing near UFO grids—36 to 50 users vanished permanently after testing his hyperdimensional resonator, while others report rejuvenation upon return. Gibbs insists morality governs time travel, citing a "God force" that prevents misuse, though callers debate paradoxes and alternate dimensions, linking his tech to Area 51 experiments, WWII signal anomalies, and suppressed electromagnetic knowledge. Skeptics demand proof, but Bell’s open-ended approach highlights how fringe theories—from ancient mummy drug traces to cosmic warnings—reshape perceptions of history, science, and even human destiny. [Automatically generated summary]
This letter was supposedly from me, from my other self, from the future.
Yeah, from the future.
And it was really strange because as soon as I started reading it, chills just started going up and down my spine.
But I later found out at a later date that the letter was not written by my other self.
That in fact it was my other self who contacted the person that was working there to write me this letter that would motivate me to start to do research on this time travel stuff.
Before you got the circuit that allowed you to build this machine, how did you begin to reach out to try to figure out how to build or how to get a time machine?
Well, it started with an article that got published in a journal up in Canada, and some people, and the article was basically on time travel, and some people over in Fittsburgh, Massachusetts saw it, or this one person saw the article and contacted me by telephone.
And he went by the name of Jim Girards.
And then that was basically the person that at a later date sent me the schematic for what the device was first called the sonic resonator.
All right, wait, I guess before we get to that, look, I'm a ham operator, so I'm somewhat, at least technically, competent.
I've been a microwave engineer, and I'm sort of curious what is this, as much, let's put it this way, as much as you're willing or can talk about, are there aspects of this that you don't let out proprietary, in other words, secret.
I'm a little bit leery about making public appearances or going up to see somebody in person because I have encountered a lot of negative feedback from that area, and I've run into a lot of, should I say, people that you would not wish to talk to in person.
I suppose one of the reasons why maybe perhaps that I'm getting some negative feedback there is because maybe the government doesn't want this information to be released to the public for the simple reason they're afraid that it might fall into the wrong hands.
But by the same token, I really don't have nothing to worry about there because, like I told lots of other people, that these generators that I build and sell generate infinite amounts of tachyon particles, which deals with basically with pure white light energy.
But you see, anybody who has any bad intentions aren't going to be able to use a device for evil purposes because it is a concrete white light generator.
And so only the people who have pure intentions are going to get results.
I would imagine it it deals pretty much with soft light particles or uh uh that that would be about the most I could uh explain on tachyons.
Well, there's basically well one other thing I could I could say would be that uh there are three different types of tachyons.
There's positive, negative, and zero tachyons.
And your positive ones go into the future, your negative ones go into the past, and the zero tachyons go into, I suppose, other dimensional realms or can lock on to other dimensions.
With your machine, if you want to go into the future, I mean I always, I remember the old H.G. Wells deal where you'd push a lever forward or reverse from a center point to go either ahead or behind in time.
And whenever you have two points of resonance, according to my time equation, you end up creating a time orb.
And after this frequency has gone through this circuit, it is then transmitted, well, basically it's stepped up to the zero vector after the frequency is divided.
See, the electromagnet acts to transmit the soul energies, which were stepped up through the circuit, and then it is then, in other words, it transmits the energy then into your stomach chakra, which is done when you place the electromagnet over the stomach region.
You place the open end of the electromagnet over the stomach region, and then that transmits the energies into the stomach chakra, which then conditions your soul and aura for time travel.
This basically programs your soul to initiate the commands.
But I was thinking, you know, when I got the schematic, wouldn't it be a nifty idea if instead of just using it for time travel, that it could also be converted into a radionics machine, which could be used not only for healing and for increasing a person's psychic abilities, but for tuning them into the crater as well.
Just as a matter of idle curiosity, of the people that you've talked to who want to do physical time travel, and you know, we'll get into the cases, but do most of them, I'm curious, want to go forward or reverse in time?
Well, what I was going to, I was beginning to ask, you know, when you talk to all of these people, however it is they've heard about you, does there seem to be a favorite time segment for people to go back to?
People, I've talked with people over in California who said that the people that go back to those periods don't ever want to come back because everybody's so kind and loving towards one another.
And he had bought a machine from me, and he had the most incredible doggaunt experiences I've ever heard of in connection with this machine other than this Michael Francis Mazurkowitz who, you know, used it also for physical time travel.
Okay, now here's one little problem that I see, just from a practical point of view.
Now, when you sell machines to people and they sort of more or less disappear, sometimes I would think the family and friends of the disappeared would be concerned and that the police would be concerned.
In other words, these people, they're gone, right?
And that amounts to at least, at the very least, a missing person report, I would think, and some sort of investigation on the part of the police that might even imagine foul play.
It's really, yeah, I can understand what you're getting at.
Generally, the people that buy these from me are either, well, I see that the person by the name of Kyle Luke who bought the machine from me, he was an orphan to begin with.
And he was staying with a he was staying at a halfway place that was run by a bunch of nuns over in Chicago.
And so when he disappeared, there was no family concern on his behalf.
Yeah, I've run into some people who have wanted to see what the 21st century would be like.
I think that's where one guy, a solar unit, went to in Australia.
Really?
Yeah, this guy had bought a unit from me back in, I think it was 92 or 93.
And he had bought a ton of crystals from me to use in connection with it.
I mean, he bought something like, oh, geez, must have been $50 or $60 worth of double-terminated quartz crystals to use in connection with it because he wanted to be guaranteed the assurance that he was going to go physically to be done.
I'm talking tonight with a man who has built a time machine.
You don't believe it, do you?
Steve Gibbs.
Stephen Gibbs is his name.
Strange Magazine did a very extensive article on him, and we have a link to it on our webpage.
So if you want to know more about his time machine, and we're going into great detail here, that's right, I said time machine.
Then go to my webpage and you'll see a jump link to the article all about Steve Gibbs right now.
It's hard to go into the last hour completely, but to recap, Steve Gibbs lives on a farm in the Midwest.
Steve has a workshop in the basement, a finishing area in the top of his house.
He makes time machines.
And I know this will sound like some gibberish, I guess.
Steve, you correct me if I'm wrong, but the mind or the soul operates at about 7.8 Hertz, which is logical to me because it's the heart frequency or very near it.
And just about everybody I've had on has agreed that our brain works at about that frequency.
Then your device then goes to diodes, which somehow, let's see if I can remember, divide this frequency into an AC, DC component, respectively.
This all began when Stephen received a letter that he thought was from himself, and in fact, really in a way was from himself, written by somebody else, delivered to a video store way back in 1981, in effect telling him to proceed with this.
Some just buy them for the simple reason of either increasing their psychic abilities or else in connection with just, you know, like help healing people.
So if you were trucking along with some dowsing rods and they came together, how do you know whether you found a grid point or water, or would they be the same?
I would say they could almost be the same, depending on the strength of the Vortex.
He would...
I don't know if there would be any ones that were created by water, I don't think, would be as strong as the grid sites that were created from quartz deposits.
I usually, well, the unit can do pretty much everything by itself, but once in a while, somebody might not, might need a little bit more energy in order to accomplish this.
And so what I do, I usually send a double-terminated quartz crystal with every unit that I send out.
Does that actually physically attach to the unit or simply need to be – It's inserted into the witness well and it's designed to step up the light energies a little bit more.
There's an interesting, see, the reason why I use double-terminated quartz crystals is because they have some interesting time harmonics built right into them.
Which actually, if you've got a large enough double-terminated quartz crystal, you could just simply locate your grid point and just take the crystal with you.
Well, there's time coils that hook up to the unit that fits around your head, plus there's an electromagnet that hooks up to it also.
But once you've got the headband placed or coils around your head, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates while you're stroking the rubbing plate?
The rubbing plate acts as a pendulum.
And while you're stroking the rubbing plate and turning one or the other dials on it, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates that will transport my physical body and all of its components to January 27, 1957?
And as soon as you get a stick on the rubbing plate.
Yeah, and then position the electromagnet, open end of the electromagnet over the stomach chalker, and it should transport you within less than three minutes.
Well, according to the experiences of one person who I bought a unit from the Great Falls, Montana, he said that you first initially feel an earthquake.
And then all of a sudden a huge white light will surround your physical body, but it's so fantastically bright that you cannot open your eyes.
And then things just fade out from under you and you start drifting through a void.
And then all of a sudden things afterwards, after you drift through this void for a certain period of time, then things just start forming around you again and you end up finding yourself at the time that you programmed into the unit.
But I think what would happen is the grid site would then move to a safer location is what would happen because they cannot, I don't think grid sites can occupy a solid object.
But I don't want to say that for certain.
So, you know, there is a certain element of danger involved in it.
I haven't ever heard of anybody with a hyper-resonator getting trapped in other dimensions yet, but I suspect there might have been a few who may have had bad intentions and they suffered the consequences because of it.
Now, let's say I had your machine and I wanted to go ahead to 1999 and take a look at the market and see what was up, what was down, what stocks would be good to buy, and then come back and thusly invest my money.
Would that be considered bad or even greedy intentions?
If I had your mom on the phone right now, and I said, hey, Steve's mom, tell me about your son and the time machines that he builds, what would she say?
Okay, there are some things that you cannot change in Earth's future.
There are things that are predestined to happen.
If you see some there's some things you can change, whereas there's some things you can't.
Now, when going into Earth's past, you can change the past, but you only change the past for the person that has traveled back there.
In other words, let's say, for example, somebody died in a car accident.
Okay, you wanted to go back and prevent that accident from happening.
So you move back with your time machine, and you intercept that event.
Well, just at the moment that you intercept that person from colliding with another vehicle, all of a sudden you hear a large boom, thudd, or popping noise.
And right then, you end up shifting over into another universe that is following a different course in time that matched with the event that you altered.
Well, it's basically a time limit when jumping through time.
Now, once in a while, you can get locked into another time period, which would probably be the danger there.
But normally, though, there is a time limit on how long you can stay in another time period, generally anywhere from six to nine hours.
And then you just simply move, you just automatically return.
Now, if you don't want to, now if you want to stay longer than six or nine hours, then you have to program the time, the amount of time that you want to stay in that period into the machine.
Now, an interesting feature about time travel is, and I'm certain people eventually realize this sooner or later, is that it has a unique advantage of rejuvenating the body after you return back to the present.
In other words, you can go back, let's say, with a broken ankle or a serious illness or sickness, and then return back a few seconds later, shoot, and you're completely cured.
Or, you know, even if they don't accomplish time travel, you know, they can still be able to use it either for help healing people or for increasing their psychic abilities or for increasing their intelligence.
They say a lot of people say that the Earth is going to transcend into another dimension, but if there ain't no life on this planet, then what's there to ascend to?
I mean, but by the, I personally don't think it's going to be a dimensional shift myself.
I think the reason why there's a barrier there is because time is solely connected with human consciousness.
And OL is somewhat connected with human consciousness.
And so if you eliminate the humans, shoot, you got your barrier.
Yeah, especially a man in New York City who had bought a machine from me.
And he's always, of course, he hasn't had the time to locate a grid point since he lives within city limits.
But he hopes to activate this hyper-resonator over a grid point probably like towards the end of 98 in order to travel back to the year 1956, which I believe he will succeed since he has already seen his other self in another time period.
It's just like putting two bare ends of an extension of a wire together.
What it does, it doesn't destroy your other self.
What happens is you either fuse into him if you get too close to him, or else you end up pushing him into another dimension.
And that's why a person should not seek themselves out.
Yeah, because, oh, yeah, oh man, it can be a mess because if you have to take the place of your other double after you end up pushing him into another dimension or fusing into him, it could really mess things up for you.
If I was going to move back to 1981, which I plan on doing someday, pilot possibly within the next year or two, how I'm going to get by with my credentials.
Exactly.
But I think what you can do is still use the same ID font, still get by.
And for like $1, people can get a catalog which has your time machines in it, and then they can decide if they want to go any farther or they just want to have a time machine catalog, not something you get every day.
So if you went back to 1500 and somebody ran you through with a sword, you'd be okay here, unless you were locked back there, and then you'd be in trouble.
Then he's got these rotating magnet, electromagnets, and he's got this giant thing built in a warehouse, and he's developing 3 million volts, and he's going to walk through this thing, and he's trying to achieve what you say you've already done, time travel.
And I'm worried that Mike is going to fry himself like an overdone French fry.
So if you're dealing with an object that is capable of understanding and manipulating the complexities of time travel, why would it be affected by something that is merely a contrived human moral?
Well, I would say, you know, if it goes so far as to harm other people, then, you know, why is the creator going to allow that person to make the jump?
The unit stayed behind, and he didn't want to try that again, so he, next time he, on the second jump he made to another year, I think, to 69 or something.
I can't remember for certain, but the second time he made the jump, he then programmed the information into it, and then both the machine and the electromagnet went with it.
I mean, that seems very important so that people don't do that kind of thing, because it would be really upsetting to go back to, say, 1500 and be there with just a piece of it and dangling wires.
One, a statement, which is that, you know, you should contact Mike Markham or somebody out there should call him just so they can correlate data, if nothing else.
Okay, well, maybe I'll still ask the second part anyway, even though that kind of covers it, which is that you said that one of the ways that you attune this device by you concentrate on the time that you want to go back to.
Yes.
Can you also attune this device in such a way like somehow say trade places with another self in another dimension that wants to be where you are and you want to be where they are?
Or as one rather rude factser says regarding Mr. Gibbs, medication time.
Medication time.
What about that, Stephen?
Just before we go back to this caller who's on hold, have people talked to you about, you know, wearing the white coat that you can't get out of and going into the padded room and all that sort of thing.
Okay, well, my question was, considering that you said that part of the operation of this device involved mentally concentrating on a specific time and then attuning the device and then going there, would it be possible to mentally concentrate on,
say, a time where there was another version of you that wanted to be where you are now and you wanted to be where they are, and essentially creating places so that nothing would get messed up or altered or anything like that at all?
Here's a practical question from, let's see, it's Michael in Indiana.
If you get backlogged, Stephen, in manufacturing time machine by the millions, would you be willing to sell schematics and or assembly instructions for me to make one sort of in kit assembly mode for myself to alleviate the pressure on you?
In other words, if you, in a way, I think you did answer that already, but if something is wrong with you health-wise today and you travel back in time, would you return with that health problem gone?
And one woman is telling me she did that whenever she'd get a few wrinkles on her face, she'd just pop back to the 1960s, and then a few seconds later, she'd be back, and her face would be back to normal again.
If you take a person back, there's a danger there in bringing human beings, especially from the past to the future.
The reason for that is they proven in the Montauk project that if you travel, like say, into the future and stay too long there, you'll begin to age rapidly.
And so the same rule would be applied if you were going to take somebody from the past to the present.
There would be a danger of that individual aging quite rapidly after the space of three to four days.
However, the problem could be remedied by having the individual set in a pyramid for something like two or three hours, and that might be able to stabilize its time frame.
Everything I've heard tonight, I work for a small science company here in Ohio.
And the gentleman I work for, his name is Charles Story.
He just wrote a book, the Grand Unified Theory Made Easy.
And as he's showed me this book over the last year and taught me What his theory is all about, it shows the science that would enable you to build these kind of devices and do these type of things.
I believe that everything, I've done some theological studies, and I do believe that the Earth is changing.
I believe that if you did go to the future where even the remote viewers haven't been able to see anything, I believe that there's still something going on there.
Maybe we don't have in our group consciousness the perception.
Well, if there was going to be a band playing dog whistles, we wouldn't be able to hear the music, but the music would be real.
That's right.
And there might be actual living going on there, but with our narrow perception, we wouldn't be able to perceive what's actually happening in that higher dimension.
I'm the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.
And I screwed up.
I reported something wrong some time ago, years ago, and they're all over my case about it.
Could I travel back in time and change my report, just change it so that everything looks right in kosher, and then come back to present time, and there'd be no big brouhaha going on.
Democrats wouldn't be clawing at me, trying to destroy me.
The unit, not the electromagnetic, the unit is roughly about, I would say, anywhere from five to six inches wide by seven or eight inches long and then something like about two and a half inches high.
Yeah, because one woman I sold the unit to living in New York City who overloaded her unit with too much energy, and she tried using a Ruby or something in it.
And what happened?
There was some indication that she bursted into flames.
If you go back to the past, and like if you're at your childhood home, can you interact with like your parents and your sisters and brothers and friends?
You contact me privately, and I will get you on the air, or I will talk to you about this, and we'll find out how much you can disclose.
Because when you make a claim, see, at least Stephen Gibbs came on here, and he told us exactly how he's doing what he's doing.
You're coming on here and saying, I can approximate the gravitational field of a neutron star, which is incredible, but I can't disclose how I do it.
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But if I were to disclose this, I would be, I don't know how to explain it to you, but it would change everything about my life, the fact that I'm calling you right now and giving you this information.
The reason that I have called is I think your callers are very naive to even think that this man can do anything that he says that he can do.
And I challenge him to show you that he can do this.
Right now, let him go and get one of his devices and let us see if he can do what he claims he can do.
An unnamed Democrat member of the House took a transcript of an Ely- And they recorded it.
Ooh, that's bad.
That's bad, bad, bad, and not legal.
Then they apparently turned it over to a Democrat member of the House who then turned it over to a couple of big newspapers.
The contents of this, allegedly, were Mr. Gingrich reneging the Democrats' claim on his promise to use, or actually not use his power, to strike back against the ethics subcommittee.
Now, let me tell you, number one, there have been two felonies here, serious ones.
Taping a cellular telephone conversation is a felony.
Distributing that tape is a felony.
I'm not sure about publicizing such a tape or actually a transcript of the tape.
It may be by then that it's not a felony.
I don't know.
But it's a pretty awful thing all the way around, and it is another example of why I'm so ticked off about politics these days.
It's partisanship over principle.
There is no principle anymore.
It's gone.
There is no principle anywhere out there anymore.
It's gone, folks.
That's one of the truth of the quickening of the 90s.
As far as I'm concerned, principle, morality, I don't say they don't exist, but when you look at something like this, Maloney, which is, I think, what all the other talk shows are talking about, what's the argument here?
It's just plain wrong.
It's just plain, it's a criminal act, period.
It's like it's cool.
If it's going to get us partisan gain, tape it, transcribe it, give it to major newspapers in New York and Washington, and just do it.
I mean, that's the way it is in the 90s.
There is no principle.
There's just partisanship.
The other big story, Paula Jones and the U.S. Supreme Court and the Prez.
Everybody, I think, knows about Paula Jones by now, don't you?
She was, she says, approached by the Prez in a hotel there in Little Rock and invited to perform, it is alleged, certain acts upon our president.
She wants an apology.
I noticed on the Sunday shows, which featured a lot about this because the Supreme Court's got it now, that a lot of the journalists who said Paula Jones was a floozy and more are now recanting, saying it was a cultural bias.
That's what I heard over the week.
That was a cultural bias.
You know, I looked at her with her, quote, big hair, and I thought she was a floozy, something like that.
It was a cultural bias, and it was my error because now it looks like there really is something to her story.
Anyway, whether there is or isn't, and I think there is, the big question is whether or not a president should be subject to being sued like Paula Jones is doing while he's in office now.
The justices seemed about split, but it does look to me as though they're going to suggest that maybe the president can be sued well as an office.
Or maybe there'll be a compromise and depositions will be taken.
It's not exactly known for sure, but, you know, my first take on this, I must tell you, is that it should not be allowed.
Even though I personally believe Paula Jones, while the president is in office, it probably shouldn't be allowed.
It's a very narrow call.
If the alleged events had occurred while the president was in office, there's no question it certainly should be allowed.
But this occurred prior to his taking...
You know, I say I don't think so, but I'll tell you, I have mixed feelings about it.
And he's not royalty.
He's the president of the United States.
And it may be that it should be allowed to go ahead.
I'm not.
I don't know.
Then they're talking about the agenda, you know, campaign finance reform, whether or not money ought to go to politicians.
Money has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court here in America to be free speech covered by the First Amendment.
In other words, if you want to give money to a politician, you're giving it for a cause, right?
Money for a cause equals free speech.
So to change that, you would have to change the Constitution.
It is, ladies and gentlemen, a horrible winter in the United States.
I have seen scenes, for example, here where I'm in the desert, the high desert, all right?
Southern Nevada.
I'm eight miles, eight miles from the California border.
Do you know what we had today?
We had wind followed by very cold rain, followed by a hailstorm, followed by a snowstorm, followed by, at the moment, about 28 degrees or 27 degrees Fahrenheit and falling fast.
So many people are getting lake effect snow in the north central part of the country that Fred in Buffalo, southeast of Buffalo, said, hey, Art, when do you think Lake Erie is going to run out of water?
With all this darn snow coming down, it ought to be dry by about this time next week.
Again, going back to the terrible winter we're having.
Listen, I have heard the following.
I cannot confirm it.
Maybe you can.
Telstar 401, AT ⁇ T's satellite, leased out to Fox, ABC, and PBS.
It seems, or it has been reported or alleged, that on the morning of Sunday, January 12th, 1997, transmission from Telstar 401 stopped.
Speculation was it was hit by a meteor or space debris.
But this is still unconfirmed.
NORAD was contacted and has confirmed that Telstar 401 is still in orbit, but can no longer receive nor transmit.
WHNZ, 570 on the dial, 10,000 watts in St. Petersburg.
Now we ought to be able to hear them in Cuba.
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Outstanding.
All right.
I'm trying to be, I guess, an amateur astronomer, and my friends have told me that the Saturn telescopes are supposed to be the quality, and I'm not real familiar with the different types there are.
I'm looking at one that has a 114 millimeter diameter mirror.
And when you get there, just click on the Grassy Knoll chat room, and we'll be in there.
You'll see us.
They're in there saying, let's see what kind of things, all kinds of things about Steve.
You know, he was a wacko.
No, I don't know that at all.
He's been doing this for years.
He's been a wacko for years, but I don't think so.
His manner of speaking was slow.
That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.
And I personally thought he was a fascinating, fascinating interview.
And it's the kind of thing that I love to do.
And it's the kind of thing a lot of people out there don't get.
But what the industry is beginning to get is that the ratings, Los Angeles, San Diego, Portland, Seattle, I could go on and on with the cities, number one, city after city after city.
So even though some of them out there don't get it, apparently enough people do.
Incidentally, what I told you about that satellite is right.
Here it is, AP from Robert at KQMS.
An important communications satellite is out of service.
Just as its transfer to another owner is about to occur.
Telstar 401 carries material for ABC, Fox, and PBS, among others.
It's been out of operation now for several days.
Operators are not sure if they can ever get it back.
Most signals have been rerouted, and none of the networks was forced off the air.
What I would say is, with regard to those various incidents, I can't attribute them to all one thing, or I can't say it's harbour, or I can't say it's any single thing.
But I can say that events are quickening and they're strange.
And if you think this year is normal, if you think this weather is normal, then I've got a bridge for you.
Big one, too cheap.
I'm telling you, I think there is a weather, a basic, profound weather change going on.
I should not be surprised at Telstar 401 going down.
I shouldn't be surprised.
It could have been a lot of things.
There is a lot of space debris up there, and frankly, it's surprising something hasn't been murdered before.
That'd be weird.
I'm on a KU-band satellite.
I think it's GE-1.
We're on GE-1 now.
And any second, something could come along and go slicing through GE-1 like a hot knife through butter, and I'd be gone.
That'd be it.
So I'm dependent on GE-1.
I'm dependent on C-5.
Two satellites.
And if either one of them encountered something in space at any moment that shouldn't be there, there's enough kinetic energy to turn either one of those into space dust.
Well, what I heard was that they believe the right engine became uncontrollable, and all of the controls in the aircraft were in the off position, trying to get that engine turned off.
That's all they know that I had heard.
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Yeah, I heard, you know, not that detailed, but they said when it leveled off to 4,000 feet on approach, an event took place.
I wanted to call and talk to you about a couple of things.
First, I wanted to talk to you about time travel.
Sure.
And the thing that I found unusual, and it's not that he wasn't well spoken or that he didn't seem sincere in his beliefs.
Maybe I'm going out on the limb in saying you find it a fascinating interview, but I think in your heart of heart, you probably would have to see a little bit more proof before you go along with the program.
Now, would I like to have one of those machines and give it a shot?
You betcha.
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Yeah, well, I mean, I thought just from the standpoint when he talked about the woman who burned up, it probably would have cost him a little bit of trouble, and I doubt that he had a big product liability policy, if you understand what I'm saying.
I think that because I do interviews in which I don't rip people apart, that's not my business.
You know, I let the audience decide about that.
And because I don't rip people apart, which, by the way, means that a lot of people won't come on, they interpret that as agreement with or belief in whatever topic I happen to be talking about.
And you know me, I'll talk about anything under the sun.
That's just not true.
I do an interview and try to help the person I'm interviewing do the best job they can do.
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Oh, yeah, and in fact, I think that a lot of your listeners can really pick up the atmosphere within which the interview is being held and can get a sense for how you feel about it.
And you don't have to go at the person and question them and belittle them.
And I'm not saying you do anything like that at all.
And the thing I was going to say is if you didn't have a subscription, I would like to give you one as a gift because as much as I enjoy your show, this is the pendulum swinging completely to the other side, and I think you get a real kick out of the magazine.
But look, look, there are different categories of guests, folks.
When you interview somebody like my guest tonight, who is not a pro, as I said, he's not on a lecture circuit.
He's not a professional speaker.
A lot of times, that's the only difference between the way a lot of people in the audience will regard somebody, since they're used to listening to the slick media, between the way they'll regard them as credible or a fruitcake nutcase type is the presentation, the articulation of the guest.
Well, you know what?
A lot of people who have invented things that have been as real as a heart attack and have changed the world have not been particularly articulate in the spoken language.
Do you understand that?
And just because somebody does not come across as a polished speaker doesn't mean that they might not be their own sort of a quiet brilliance, have their own sort of quiet brilliance, and you just can't necessarily figure that out based on whether or not somebody is a very polished speaker.
And if you want to know the truth, a lot of times I enjoy interviewing the very common type people, like this man, or like Mad Man, or like I could name many others that I've interviewed in that category.
And I will continue to do so.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello, Art.
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Mark in Nashville.
Hi.
Art, you've been following this on the cocaine tobacco mummies.
They had an interesting article on Discovery Channel last night about it.
This woman scientist, and I don't recall her name, and she's a forensic scientist, and she's also into archaeology, and she has discovered that some of the mummies that she's uncovered have got their bodies full of cocaine and tobacco.
And so she went and did one extra test on it where they take the hair, a hair, the hair follicle, and they do a certain test.
They wash it with alcohol and everything.
They analyze the alcohol solution.
And if there's no cocaine in that alcohol solution and they find it in the hair follicle itself, then the substance had to be there at the time of death, or before death.
And what this does to the Egyptian culture and everything is it proves that Egypt might not have been the center of civilization, as they all believe and everything founded on in that country.
And in further research with some other collaborators on this, they found pineapples on the carvings in China and certain places, which they came from the Americas and other things that came from the Western world.
And these things go back like 5,000 years.
Now, what I thought was interesting about this, there are a lot of things that are coming to the surface now, and it involves Hailbob, what's going on in Egypt over there, in Jerusalem and everything.
And this could only lead to one thing, that there were either trade routes established back way before Columbus's time between this part of the world and the old world.
And, you know, the steppe pyramids that are in South America and all, they might have been learned by the Egyptians from there or vice versa.
And there's some interconnectedness there.
And I just wondered if maybe this might not be some of the things that Ed Dames is going to disclose when he's down in the South Pacific.
I'll, hey, I'll interview anybody who's interested, one way or the other.
Anybody.
I mean, why limit our universe, huh?
It's strange out there, and strange as fun, and that's me.
I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CBC Network.
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When those diodes began to expand your soul and the zero vector kicked in, and the magnet was square over your belly and you began to vaporize into a different year, where would you go and what would you do?
That requires a little bit of thought.
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You're getting sick of the O.J. Simpson business, me too.
Boy, man, that's back In the news again, big time.
But some further facts on that are just to contemplate about, if you think about the description that Wormwood, they talk about Wormwood, and then you take that over, and did you know that the word Chernobyl translated as Wormwood?
One other thing, real quick, Pam and her reptilian lovers and stuff?
Yep.
Well, there's a couple of things that I find interesting.
And one of those is as I was listening to you, and I've been listening to some tapes from this guy called Tuck Nestor who goes into, he's a Bible scholar, but he goes along with a lot of the stuff like what Togner and others talk about and a lot of the old Hebrew text that's never been translated quite correctly in the English language.
But I was listening to that and there were some tapes that he had on Mars and the Nephilim.
And think about this and go back to the encounter that Pam had with the reptilian.
Hal's birthday was yesterday, and unfortunately, I was not on the air, so I very belated.
Happy birthday to Hal.
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Well, you know, they're just one step ahead of IBM anyway.
Kind of different note.
So I had heard of this, there's this veterinary doctor that he's been studying to be, he studied actually and became a human doctor, if you will.
And he's got some interesting things to say about how the medical profession tries to hold back the nutrition game instead of so that we can take expensive treatments instead of just having nutrition.
Heaven forbid, nutrition should keep people healthy in doctors' offices.
What would they do?
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Well, he said they should, you know, use the same kind of stuff we use on veterinary science to cure people because if they had to do the same thing for the animals, we'd never have any food.
I know, but it wouldn't work for time travel because everything would get gobbled up in the past, so you wouldn't be able to go back there, and there would be nothing in the future yet.
Well, I wasn't suggesting the same thing that Stephen was talking about.
I just thought the movie as a movie, particularly before the Langoliers showed up, you know, munching on things, it was so suspenseful, and I had no idea where it was going.
Oh, well, you've got to check that out because these guys have this handheld thing that they push a button and it slides them into a different dimension.
But I, you know, the things that you were talking about and going, God, I've seen all that stuff on TV.
But, and what I was going to say, you know, the thing that gets me about these, you know, if we ever talk one-on-one, I could probably share some things with you sometime.
Oh, I do, but once it's declassified, I mean, you know, there's, you know, so it's, you know, they'll never find me anyway, hopefully, unless somebody's tapping my line.
Now, supposing I could go back to time and perhaps could have somehow prevented the guy from turning in front of me, what would happen to the blind David now?
The other very, very interesting thing was that his device begins with the 7.8 hertz frequency, which is, as a matter of fact, a frequency that is thought to be the frequency in which the brain operates.
Substitute word soul, whatever you want.
The brain, the soul, the id, the whatever it is that we are, the energy we are, resonates at that frequency.
It's called The Day After Roswell, supposed to blow the lid off the whole thing.
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Well, if the government, the federal government, as much money as we put into it, has had it for 50 years, just that UFO, amongst others all over the world, they've got to have figured out how it flies, what it's made of.
And I think why they're keeping it from the public is because if we knew the simple formula of making a UFO, everybody would have one.
You know, you've seen Roadrunner cartoons where they're on an elastic band, they just go way out there, and then they sort of pause for a second, and they start coming back.
Maybe we're just slightly past the pause, we're on our way back, and everything is reversing.
It was his view that the gigantic electrical magnetic field that would be created, people said things like, get a long stick and put a video recorder and stick it through.
Now, the second thing, Whitley Strieber, when he was on Dreamland there a week or so ago, one of the things he said was one of the viewers said that Hail Mary broke away from Hailbob, and that's all he said.
Well, about three or four weeks ago, I had like a little premonition of this.
I think I sent you a fact that I thought this thing was going to break away and go in Earth orbit around the Sun in our orbit, only be 180 degrees from us, so we'd never see it on the other side of the Sun.
It may be possible that in another dimension right now, they're watching X-Files and all the rest of this sort of stuff being delivered by, guess what?
Why not make the same offer to Stephen Gibbons that you made to Mad Markham, but if he's willing to demonstrate his technology to see whether or not it works, that you'll film it?
Do you know what Steve Gibbs' interview does to somebody that has always listened to anything to do with time travel, watched any time travel movies, has always been fascinated with it?
And if they don't hear somebody who sounds polished like a real downtown speaker, you know, with a real spiel, then they don't believe a word they hear.
And that tells you how, I guess they've become just too media savvy.
If it doesn't sound like it would wash on Meet the Press on Sunday, why it's just not believable.
If it's a regular person, it can't be believable.
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Well, I've got a friend Kevin from Bailey, Colorado.
And as soon as he gets back to town, I know he's looking.
He needs to call me so we can get together and talk about this thing and possibly go get a machine.
We're not that far from where he lives here in Denver.
I really do enjoy the whole subject and always have of time travel.
And I do believe, whether it's Stephen Gibbs, Mad Man, or somebody like him, or somebody else out there that I've not yet spoken with nor interviewed, that one day it will be possible.
The aliens should have kicked our butts, and we should have lost.
Then it would have been, you know, the one cool thing about that movie, I know this doesn't, you may not hear this said elsewhere, but the aliens didn't want to make a deal.
And that they're back here to warn us that we're messing up, we're messing with the planet right now and all of this stuff.
It's kind of interesting as you take all the evidence for aliens now and says that it's really being misunderstood by people.
But that they're really time travels for moral future, all of this.
But for instance, the little guys with the real big heads, you know, human evolution, you know, people get smarter and smarter, so their heads get bigger and bigger, and yet people, as they are doing now, exercise less, they get weaker and weaker.
And so the body kind of shrivels, their heads get real big.
Anyway, just an interesting thought.
You might check out a book called Time Travel by her.
I'm not sure that any of us properly understand it.
I think that it is our invention.
And if you embrace that concept that time, you know, may be our invention, then you've got to allow that travel within this thing that we don't understand is entirely possible, perhaps in a way we don't understand.
I keep trying to tell people, just because a guest is a certain way, which makes them easy, you know, somebody talks on a topic like this, no matter how they present it, it's easy to take off at them.
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Yes, it is.
But you've got to be really careful.
It would seem that the devices would actually work And the guys that make them, these garage gadgeteers, as sometimes they're called, are the ones that are getting hit the most.
They sound so far off, but yet they're the ones that always come up with the inventions.