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Jan. 13, 1997 - Art Bell

03:06:51

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Steven Gibbs - Time Machine Inventor

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	Welcome to WEMJ in Guilford, New Hampshire.
	Now, they also, I believe, cover Laconia, New Hampshire, if that's pronounced correctly.
	And we're glad to have you on board.
	You have no idea what a weird experience you are in for.
	We do strange things on this radio program, and tonight is going to be no exception.
	As you know, I have an abiding interest in time travel, and I have had all my life.
	I have connected with a man that you are about to hear, who has a time machine.
	As a matter of fact, he has sold a time machine.
	It's an interesting story.
	It was covered by Strange Magazine, issue number 14.
	His name is Stephen Gibbs.
	And if you will go to my website, there will be a link there which will take you to the Strange Magazine story on Stephen Gibbs.
	And that link is up there right now.
	So, If you want to do a little research on what you're about to hear, there it is in written form.
	You can get there by going to my webpage at www.artbell.com.
	Alright, here we go.
	We're all going to learn about this together.
	Because I only spoke with Steve Gibbs.
	Well, we'd better find out here.
	Stephen, should I call you Stephen or Steve?
	Oh, it doesn't matter.
	Steve's all right.
	Steve's all right.
	All right, good.
	Steve it shall be, then.
	Steve, when did you... Let's find out about you.
	You are not a scientist, are you?
	Well, I'm an inventor.
	Oh, okay.
	An inventor.
	Let me ask you, you're not on a portable phone, are you, Steve?
	No, I'm not.
	You're not, okay.
	We've got a little hum online for some reason.
	But we'll live with it.
	Alright, anyway.
	So you're an inventor?
	Yeah.
	All your life?
	No, not all my life.
	I just got started into electronics back in 1981.
	back in 1981 and uh...
	that's a while ago and from that point on I just kind of
	added stuff to it So you're an inventor, entrepreneur.
	That'd be fair.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	How did you get interested in time travel?
	Now that's a good question.
	It was back in the year 1981 when I thought I was contacted by one of my other doubles
	or counterparts.
	Wait a minute, you mean yourself?
	Yeah, for myself.
	From some alternate future universe.
	But I then later found out, well, it started out with a letter that was dropped off at at a video department store that how can I put it that was delivered to me by a man who worked at this video arcade store and he claimed that somebody dropped it off on this
	On his counter there while I was gone, and I later stopped back and... No, no, wait.
	Who was the letter?
	Was this letter to you?
	Yeah, yeah.
	This letter was supposedly from me, from my other self.
	From the future?
	Yeah, from the future.
	And it was really strange because as soon as I started reading it, chills just started going up and down my spine, but I later found out at a later date That the letter was not written by my other self.
	In fact, it was my other self who contacted the person that was working there to write me this letter that would motivate me to start work and to start to do research on this time travel stuff.
	Oh man, how totally weird!
	When you read this letter, did it reference enough things about you so that you knew whoever it was had to know you?
	Yes, it did.
	Well, it said stuff about pyramids and stuff like that, but it was enough to let me know that it was my other self.
	Yeah, it was.
	No question about it.
	From how far in the future?
	Uh, I would say it was from, uh, oh, I would imagine any time, uh, from 1992 on up to, uh, 1998 or 1999.
	So, and that was received in 1981?
	Yeah.
	1998 or 1999.
	So that was received in 1981?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well that would sure get your attention.
	Yeah, it made my skin crawl.
	So, that, yeah, I can see how that would get you interested in time travel.
	Um...
	Let's be clear here to the folks.
	A lot of people talk about time travel, and they talk about time travel in the mind.
	And I'm not saying that's not possible, but that's not exactly what we're talking about here, is it?
	Well, there's different types of time travel.
	There is physical time travel, where you can move physically back and forward through time.
	Both directions?
	Yeah.
	And then there is quantum time travel, and that's where your soul can move into another one of your counterparts in a parallel universe.
	Astral projection?
	And then astral projection comes after that, and then mental time travel, which I suppose could be somewhat connected with astral projection.
	Well, what you're talking about here, or what I'm primarily interested in, is you're telling me actual physical time travel is possible.
	Yes, that's correct.
	And you have a machine that can do that?
	Yes, that's correct.
	Before you got the circuit that allowed you to build this machine, how did you begin to reach out to try to figure out Well, it started with an article that got published in a journal up in Canada, and the article was basically on time travel.
	And some people over in Fitchburg, Massachusetts saw it, or at least one person saw the article, And contacted me by telephone, and he went by the name of Jim Gerard.
	And then that was basically the person that, at a later date, sent me the schematic for what the device was first called the Sonic Resonator.
	Sonic Resonator.
	Yeah, and then it later evolved into the Hyperdimensional Resonator, which I now sell through You sell time machines?
	Yes.
	This is very cool.
	Do they work?
	Yes, they do.
	I guess before we get to that, look, I'm a ham operator, so I'm somewhat at least technically competent.
	I've been a microwave engineer and I'm sort of curious what What is this, or as much, let's put it this way, as much as you're willing or can talk about, are there aspects of this that you don't let out?
	Proprietary, in other words.
	Secret.
	No, I don't keep any secrets from anybody.
	I just tell them flat out what it can do and what it can't do.
	Alright, when I talked to you earlier today, it was very brief, but one of the things you did express was concern for your own safety.
	Yeah, that too, a little bit.
	I'm a little bit leery about making public appearances or going up to see somebody in person because I have encountered a lot of negative feedback I'm from that area and I've run into a lot of, should I say, people that you would not wish to talk to in person.
	Why would they be unhappy with you?
	I mean, what do they accuse you of?
	What would make them feel antagonistic toward you?
	Um...
	It could be any number of things. I suppose...
	Oh.
	One of the reasons why maybe perhaps that I'm getting some negative feedback there is because maybe the government doesn't want this information to be released to the public for the simple reason they're afraid that it might fall into the wrong hands.
	Oh, I should say.
	But by the same token, I really don't have nothing to worry about there, because, like I told lots of other people, that these generators that I build and sell, generate infinite amounts of tachyon particles, which deals basically with pure white light energy.
	Right.
	And if a person, so basically, since the device is, the way I believe, Yeah.
	is tuned into the Creator, anybody who has bad intentions is not going to be able to
	use the device for evil purposes because it is a concrete white light generator.
	And so only the people who have pure intentions are going to get results.
	All right, well, Strange Magazine did an article on you.
	Issue number 14.
	We've got a link on the web page.
	So they apparently felt there was enough validity to what you're doing to send out a reporter and write a big story about you.
	Was it a good story?
	Oh yes, it was several pages long.
	I would say something like three or four pages.
	The interview was all done on telephone though.
	Right.
	Right, I understand.
	Now the device itself, you say it generates white light?
	Yeah, pure white light energy.
	White light energy.
	Or tachyons.
	Tachyons.
	Pardon my ignorance, what's attacking you?
	Let's see, it's a time particle is what it is.
	It's a particle that basically has multi-dimensional properties which allows it to move through time.
	Alright.
	I would imagine it deals pretty much with soft light particles or that that would be about the most I could I could say would be that there are three different types
	of tachyons.
	There are positive, negative and zero tachyons.
	Your positive ones go into the future, your negative ones go into the past.
	The zero tachyons go into, I suppose, other dimensional realms, or can lock onto other dimensions.
	With your machine, if you want to go into the future, I mean, I always remember the old HG way.
	Wells deal where you'd push a lever forward or reverse from a center point to go either ahead or behind in time.
	Yeah.
	Is that the way it works, or is yours a different setup?
	Yeah, mine's a slightly different setup.
	It's based on radionics.
	What it does, it takes your soul energies Uh, steps it up through the zero vector, and then, uh, converts it into two points of resonance.
	Yikes.
	And when it creates two points, and whenever you have two points of resonance, you always get a time warp.
	Always.
	Uh, at least this is what my equation has stated.
	Alright, wait, wait, wait.
	Uh, you lost me.
	So if you lost me, you lost some others.
	Let's start at the beginning.
	You said our soul.
	Yeah.
	It steps up the soul energy that you transmit into it.
	Well, once you get the stick on the rubbing plate, it has a... Wait, wait, wait.
	Stick on the rubbing plate.
	Hold on.
	Let's go through the first thing you said.
	You said our soul, which I believe is an electrical The thing of energy, there is energy in our soul, I believe that.
	So does this receive that energy?
	Yes.
	It receives the energy, alright, and then does what with it?
	It steps it up through the diode circuit, which is built inside of the circuit, or building side of the box.
	Then after it steps it up, it divides it.
	Alright, again, I'm going to stop you.
	I'm going to stop you because I really, really, really want to understand this.
	We're at the half hour break.
	Just relax.
	When I come back, I'm going to ask you what frequency our souls operate at, you know, Kenneth, what is the frequency?
	I think that's the first thing we've got to know.
	Stephen Gibbs is my guest.
	We're going to talk tonight about a time machine.
	We'll be right back.
	This is TRN and CBC, talk radio network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Now, here again, Art Bell.
	Tonight's topic is cool.
	We're talking with Steven Gibbs, Steve Gibbs.
	And Steve Gibbs has a time machine, a real time machine.
	And we're going to slow him down, we're going to find out if he can, exactly how this thing works.
	And by the way, I can see a picture of Steve Gibbs here, because if you'll go to my website, www.artbell.com you will see a jump point and you can go over and take a good look at not only Steve, but or is that the author?
	I'm not sure.
	We'll find out.
	And there's an article here about Stephen Gibbs, a man who built a time machine and it will give you details.
	I'm getting a lot of faxes already.
	How do we find out more about this?
	How do we get one?
	We'll get to that, I suppose.
	But they want to know more.
	So, obviously, go to my website, jump over, and read the article written, uh, about Steve Gibbs in Strange Magazine.
	It's up there.
	Alright, uh, let me, uh, uh, let's, let's find out here, uh, right now.
	Uh, Steve?
	Yeah?
	Uh, is that photograph, uh, of you?
	Uh, yeah, that's just the picture of my face.
	Uh, yeah, that's right.
	Uh-huh, they, uh, sort of put a blue circle around your face.
	Kind of interesting.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well there you are.
	I'll be doggone.
	Anyway, getting back to where we were, our soul, our being, our energy, what frequency do you know that to be?
	Well, I think our souls oscillate at around 7.8 hertz cycles per second.
	Sounds about right.
	7.8 hertz.
	I believe You know, I've done interviews.
	Have you ever heard of HAARP?
	Uh, yes, I have.
	On a HAARP project in Alaska, I've interviewed Dr. Nick Begich and others, and they too talk about frequencies in this range.
	7.8 Hz.
	Way, way down there.
	Alright, so your device picks up this frequency, the 7.8 Hz.
	Yeah.
	And then does what with it?
	Well, it takes your solar energy or the frequency and steps it up through the diode circuit.
	Right.
	Like a doubler?
	In other words, you can use diodes as a double voltage, for example.
	Yeah, no, no, there's no doubler in it.
	What it does, it takes these energies and it divides it.
	Into an AC-DC field.
	Okay.
	And this sets up two points of resonance.
	And whenever you have two points of resonance, according to my time equation, you end up creating a time warp.
	And after this frequency has gone through this circuit, it is then transmitted Well, basically it stepped up to the Zero Vector after the frequency is divided.
	Okay, there's where you lost me.
	Zero Vector.
	What is a Zero Vector?
	A Zero Vector is referred to some scientists as the Spear, or what I refer to as the Creator.
	Is that anything like zero point energy?
	Yeah, that would be on the same basis, yeah.
	Oh, that's fascinating.
	And that makes sense.
	Alright, so 7.8 Hertz to diodes to zero point, I'm sorry, zero vector?
	Yeah, it transfers it through the zero vector out of the diode circuit And on into an electromagnet, which hooks up to the machine.
	An electromagnet?
	Yeah.
	What kind?
	Just a electromagnet with 21 gauge magnet wire wrapped around a steel core.
	Okay.
	And how much voltage or current apply to it?
	It's 110 volts.
	110 volts.
	AC.
	AC then.
	Yeah.
	This device just hooks right up to an ordinary outlet.
	Wow!
	You know, this so far, this makes sense to me.
	As long as I'm able to stop you and find out what it means, so far it actually does make sense to me.
	Alright, so you've got an electromagnet Acting in what way?
	In other words, influencing, putting a field around all of this, or what is the electromagnet acting on?
	Uh, see, the electromagnet acts to transmit the soul energies, which are stepped up through the circuit, and then it is then, in other words, it transmits the energy then into your stomach chakra.
	Which is done when you place the electromagnet over the stomach region.
	Oh, so you actually, you take this machine, and you place it near your stomach?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You place the open end of the electromagnet over the stomach region, and then that transmits the energy into the stomach chakra, which then conditions your soul and aura Well, let's go back to the first time you finally got this machine together.
	programmed your soul to initiate the command.
	Wow.
	You have...
	Well, let's go back to the first time you finally got this machine together.
	How many failures did you have before you succeeded, before you got it right?
	None, actually.
	I got it right the first time.
	And that was because you got the schematic from somebody else?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I was thinking, you know, when I got the schematic, wouldn't it be a nifty idea if
	instead of just using it for time travel, that it could also be converted into a radionics
	machine, which could be used not only for healing and for increasing a person's psychic
	abilities, but for tuning them into the crater as well.
	I now begin to see why you're in trouble with a lot of people.
	In other words, you're in touch with the god force and there are a lot of people out there who are going to go, well, I can't repeat what they would say.
	Well, I hope so.
	But yeah, I know, now I understand perfectly.
	Alright, when then was the first success of actual physical time travel?
	The first actual jump physically through time... I would say was in...
	The month of October in 1986.
	October of 86.
	And I was working with a hyper-dimensional resonator at that time, a sonic resonator.
	By the way, did you have any help or were you doing this all by yourself?
	I was doing this all by myself.
	And your family and your friends, did you tell them what you were working on?
	Yeah, but my mother thought I was full of beans.
	She did, huh?
	Yeah.
	Your own mother?
	You mean your own mother?
	Yeah.
	How disappointing.
	Well, she has an open mind.
	Otherwise, she probably wouldn't allow me to do research on her stuff.
	She doesn't like to let people know.
	In other words, she doesn't tell the neighbors over coffee, my son, the time machine maker and traveler.
	No, no.
	All right.
	Do you still live with your family?
	Yes, I do.
	OK.
	And we're not going to give your exact location or maybe you are.
	I don't know.
	Well, if people wish to, you know.
	But you're out of the catalog or something, you know.
	You have to give my address.
	Oh, you have a catalog.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No kidding.
	You're out on a farm, right?
	Yep.
	Uh, and is that where you've done the work, on the farm?
	Uh, yeah, basically, yeah.
	Right.
	Do you have, like, a workshop, or, I don't know, a time travel room, or?
	Well, yeah, it's a workshop.
	It's, uh, it's down in the basement, that I, uh, where I build the machines and add them in.
	I do the finishing touches in my office room upstairs here.
	I see.
	Getting ready to ship off.
	How many time machines have you manufactured?
	I would imagine well over a hundred.
	Wow!
	Since 1986.
	So there could be a hundred time travelers out there?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	Oh my!
	The problem with it is, the reason why I don't have more feedback on it, because the ones that usually end up using them don't stay around very long.
	They end up disappearing to some other time zone.
	Of course they do.
	Just as a matter of idle curiosity, of the people that you've talked to, who want to do physical time travel, and you know, we'll get into the cases, but do most of them, I'm curious, want to go forward or reverse in time?
	Most of the time they want to go back into Earth's past to get away from it all.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	They realize that there's some upcoming Earth changes that they just would rather not go through.
	Oh boy, does that ever make sense.
	Is there any favorite period of time, would you say, talking to a bunch of people?
	I mean, when somebody calls you up, I don't know how they hear about you.
	Maybe the article in Strange Magazine.
	Is that mostly how people have heard about your machine?
	Well, I also advertise, yeah, that's part of it, but then I also advertise through Fate Magazine, Nexus.
	Oh, you do?
	And then through, oh, there was another one, Alternate Perceptions.
	Those plus my advertisement up on the website with my interviews, basically.
	I was beginning to ask, when you talk to all of these people, however it is they've heard about you, does there seem to be a favorite time segment for people to go back to?
	It seems like a lot of people like the 1500s.
	The 1500s.
	For the simple reason the ecology back in those days was extremely well.
	Everything was virgin.
	I mean the air was clean.
	I've talked with people over in California who said that the people that go back to those periods don't ever want to come back because everybody is so kind and loving towards one another.
	Well, that's pretty much true, but I mean, people even back then were getting run through with swords.
	Something like that.
	But I suppose it depends on, you know, that's probably a lot of pop culture.
	I mean, even then it wasn't all sword fighting.
	It was, I'm sure, there were a lot of really wonderful places to live.
	The entire structure of family and society was utterly different.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there was one person who I sold the unit to who went by the name of Kalil Lutfi.
	He lived in Chicago, Illinois.
	You're being heard in Chicago right now.
	What was his name?
	Kalil Lutfi.
	It's spelled K-A-L-I-L-U-T-F-I.
	Okay.
	And he had bought a machine from me and He had the most incredible experience I've ever heard of in connection with this machine other than this Michael Francis Mazurka, who used it also for physical time travel.
	We'll get to him.
	What about the fellow from Chicago?
	Last I heard from him, he was thinking about activating it over a grid point with the help from his sister, and they were planning on, I guess, going back to the time period of the Greeks.
	Really?
	To live there, because he had journeyed back there astrally, and really liked it there.
	He stayed there for something like a week before he returned back to his own physical body.
	So in other words, a lot of people will use astral travel to sort of scout out a time period.
	Yes, you could do it like that, yes.
	But anyhow, the last I heard from him, he was going down to Idaho and after that he disappeared in the thin air and nobody knew where he went or... Okay, now here's one little Problem that I see just from a practical point of view.
	Yeah now when you sell machines to people and they Sort of more or less disappear.
	Yeah Sometimes I would think the family and friends of the disappeared Would be concerned And that the police would be concerned in other words these people They're gone, right?
	Yeah.
	And that amounts to at least, at the very least, a missing person report, I would think, and some sort of investigation on the part of the police that might even, you know, imagine foul play.
	Yeah.
	Has that ever been an issue?
	No, not with the... No, it was just... Or, I mean, do even family members call you up Something like, Hi Stephen on so and so, my son bought a time machine from you and he seems to be gone!
	It's a way, yeah I can understand what you're getting at.
	Generally the people that buy these from me are either, well I see that the person by the name of Kyle Lutz who bought the machine from me, he was an orphan to begin with and he was staying with He was staying at a halfway place that was run by a bunch of nuns over in Chicago, and so when he disappeared, there was no family concern on his behalf.
	Well, now that makes sense.
	It also makes sense that people who would want to time travel are probably dissatisfied or not very well connected in this time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that would make sense.
	It seems like a lot of the people that I run up against are people that are separated from their family, you know, bad disagreements.
	Yep.
	No, that's totally logical.
	Totally logical.
	Otherwise, with connections, a family, a wife, friends, community involvement, why would you want to leave?
	Yeah, that's true.
	So these are people who just basically want out.
	Have you ever run into To anybody who wants to go forward.
	Oh yeah.
	I've run into some people who have wanted to see what the 21st century would be like.
	I think that's where one guy is totally into in Australia.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	This guy had bought the unit from me back in...
	I think it was 92 or 93, and he had bought a ton of crystals from me to use in connection with it.
	I mean, he bought something like, oh geez, must have been $50 or $60 worth of double terminated quartz crystals to use in connection with it because he wanted to be guaranteed the assurance that he was going to go physically to the Garden.
	Alright, look, we will get to that.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	Relax, you've got several minutes.
	Grab a cup of coffee.
	We'll come back and continue with this.
	Time travel.
	This is a man who manufactures, has built, and now manufactures time machines.
	Real, physical, time machines.
	His name is Stephen Gibbs.
	I'm Art Bell.
	And this is CBC.
	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	I'm talking tonight with a man who has built a time machine.
	You don't believe it, do you?
	Steve Gibbs.
	Steven Gibbs is his name.
	Strange Magazine did a very extensive article on him, and we have a link to it on our webpage.
	So, if you want to know more about his time machine, And we're going into great detail here.
	That's right.
	I said time machine.
	Then go to my webpage and you'll see a jump link to the article all about Steve Gibbs right now.
	It's hard to go into the last hour completely, but to recap, Steve Gibbs lives on a farm in the Midwest.
	Steve has a workshop in the basement.
	A finishing area in the top of his house.
	He makes time machines.
	And I know this will sound like some gibberish, I guess.
	Steve, you correct me if I'm wrong, but the mind, or the soul, operates at about 7.8 Hertz.
	Yeah.
	Which is logical to me because it's the heart frequency, or very near it.
	And just about everybody I've had on has agreed that our brain works at about that frequency.
	Your device then goes to diodes, which somehow, let's see if I can remember, divide this frequency into an AC-DC component, respectively.
	It then goes to what's called the zero vector.
	Stepped up through the zero vector.
	Stepped up through the zero vector, or otherwise known as zero point energy.
	This audience will know about that.
	And then the whole thing is affected by an electromagnet, uh, which is how many turns of wire?
	Uh, well, I, I don't know how many turns is on it.
	It has, it has 21 gauge magnet wire on it.
	Okay.
	And you're, you're activating that with a hundred, 110, uh, AC.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And that, uh, electromagnet sits over the, uh, stomach region.
	Yeah, or should I say the open end of the electromagnet.
	It's over the stomach region.
	Do you hold it there or do you strap it there?
	I just hold it.
	It has some handles on the electromagnet that you just simply hold it in place.
	Like you were degaussing your belly or something.
	Yeah.
	Alright, and then the soul and the aura are thereby affected and time travel Now, one important point is, you've got to be near a grid point on the Earth.
	That is, an area of magnetic anomaly, or what?
	Yeah, well, that's basically an area where the gravitational ley lines intersect one another.
	Okay.
	Are there many of these?
	Yeah, they're all around.
	The only problem is, only certain types can transport you physically through time.
	Generally, the ones that are capable of doing this are the ones where UFOs are sighted over.
	Somehow that figures.
	This all began when Stephen received a letter that he thought was from himself, and in fact, really in a way was from himself, written by somebody else, and delivered to a video store way back in 1981, in effect telling him to proceed with this.
	So he got a schematic.
	From a guy where?
	Uh, from Pittsburgh, Massachusetts.
	And that was a schematic of this machine?
	Yes.
	Now, there is a man in Chicago who bought one of these machines and he's gone.
	He's gone.
	You've sold a hundred machines.
	Over a hundred.
	Over a hundred.
	How many of those people do you think are just gone?
	Oh boy.
	Just a guess.
	Just a guess.
	I would imagine over... I would imagine over 36.
	Over 36?
	36. I would say anywhere from 36 to 50 people.
	Alright, now these are people that are long gone and they're not coming back.
	Yeah.
	See, not everybody's interested in time travel.
	They buy these machines from you.
	Some just buy them for the simple reason of either increasing their psychic abilities or else in connection with this, you know, like help healing people.
	Right.
	But I am particularly interested in the time travel aspect of it.
	Yeah.
	Now, if I wanted to time travel with this, could I do it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes.
	All you have to do is locate your grid point using a pair of dowsing rods.
	Dowsing rods are used, you know, like... Oh, I know what they are.
	My wife can dowse.
	So, you locate a grid point, which is where the dowsing rods come together?
	Yeah.
	Okay, then there's a lot of them.
	Now, dowsing rods are used generally to find water.
	Yeah.
	So, if you were trucking along with some dowsing rods, and they came together, how do you know whether you found a grid point or water, or would they be the same?
	I would say they could almost be the same, depending on the strength.
	Of the Vortec.
	I don't know if there would be any, the ones that were created by water I don't think would be as strong as the grid sites that were created from quartz deposits.
	Quartz, yes.
	You mentioned crystals earlier.
	Are crystals used to enhance the effect of all this somehow?
	Well, yeah.
	The unit can do pretty much everything by itself, but once in a while somebody might need a little bit more energy in order to accomplish this, and so what I do, I usually send a Double terminated quartz crystal with, uh, every unit that I, uh, send out.
	A double terminated quartz crystal?
	Yeah.
	What would that be?
	Uh, that's a crystal with, uh, that's a quartz crystal with two points on it.
	Oh.
	One on each end.
	Alright.
	Alright.
	Does that actually physically attach to the unit, or simply need to be, in other words, what do you do with it?
	Uh, it's inserted into the witness well, and it's designed to step, uh, to step up the, uh, light energies a little bit more.
	Huh.
	Um... Well, that would make sense, too.
	Yeah.
	Crystals are used, I believe, to amplify lasers, aren't they?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they are.
	Um... Uh, there's an interesting... See, the reason why, uh... you use double-terminated quartz crystals is because they have some, uh, interesting time harmonics built right into them.
	Hmm.
	Which, uh, actually, uh, if you've got a large enough double-terminated quartz crystal, you could just simply...
	Uh, locate your grid point, just take the crystal with you.
	And use that?
	And use that to travel physically through time.
	Just simply by programming the crystal to transport you to whatever date you wanted to go to.
	Now there's another question.
	With your machine, how do you determine, you talk about tachyons, that's one point that I left out, tachyons.
	How do you determine Which direction you're going to go, and how far?
	Oh, that's determined radionically.
	In other words, let's say, for example, you want to travel to, like, January 27, 1957.
	Right.
	So after you place the time coils around your head, which hooks up to the hyper resonator, Or you've got to put these around your head?
	Well, there's time coils that hook up to the unit that fits around your head, plus there's an electromagnet that hooks up to it also.
	But once you've got the headband placed or coils around your head, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates While you're stroking the rubbing plate, the rubbing plate acts as a pendulum, and while you're stroking the rubbing plate and turning one of the other dials on it, you then concentrate on the question, what are the rates that will transport my physical body and all of its components to January 27, 1957?
	And as soon as you get a stick on the Uh, rubbing plate.
	Uh, stick.
	No, what do you mean a stick?
	It's when your fingers stick.
	Uh, while you're stroking.
	Oh, oh, I see, I see.
	Yeah.
	As soon as you get a stick, uh, then that means that, uh, the rate has been found.
	You stop turning the, uh, top dial.
	Then you go to the second dial and do the same as before.
	There's two dials on, uh, on the machine.
	Wow.
	And once you get a stick for both dials and the coordinates are already set, into the machine and then all you have to do now is to activate it over a grid point on the day of the full moon.
	On the day of the full moon?
	Yeah, and then position the electromagnet, open end of the electromagnet over the stomach chocker and it should transport you within less than 3 minutes.
	In other words, goodbye.
	Yeah.
	2 minutes and 45 seconds to be exact.
	2 minutes and 45 seconds?
	And you're on your way?
	Yep.
	What is it like, I've got a million questions, beginning with, what is it like to travel in time?
	In other words, when that 2 minutes and 45 seconds elapses and you're someplace else, do you feel the transition?
	Is it Like an NDE, where you go down some long, wide tunnel, or do you go through something, or are you just suddenly, poof, on the other end?
	Well, according to the experiences of one person who was brought in from Great Falls, Montana, he said that he first initially feel an earthquake.
	An earthquake?
	Yes, and then all of a sudden, a huge white light What about places?
	your physical body and but it's so fantastically bright that you cannot
	open your eyes and then things just fade out from under you and you start
	drifting through a void and then all of a sudden things that afterwards after
	you drift through this void for a certain period of time then things just start
	forming around you again and you end up finding yourself at the time that you
	programmed into the unit. What about places in other words for example if
	you're going to do this at a certain location yeah how do you know where
	you're going to pop out Is it at all worrisome where you're going to pop out on the other end?
	You don't want to end up in the middle of a rock or a building or something like that.
	Well, see, you'll pop out at the same location that you left.
	I got you there.
	But what if the location was not like it was?
	I mean, if you go back to, say, Fifteen hundred, you talked about some people that went back that far.
	There could have been a castle there or something.
	Yeah, that's part of the danger, but I think what would happen is the grid site would then move to a safer location, is what would happen, because I don't think grid sites can occupy a solid object But I don't want to say that for certain, but there is a certain element of danger involved in it, yes.
	Now, of those that have gone on to whatever, how sure are you that these 35 people or more are not dead as doornails?
	Now, I don't mean dead here, because we would have their charred little bodies.
	I mean, Jed, somewhere else?
	Well, my, uh, Michael Franzen-Berkowitz over in Great Falls is able to jump back and then return safely, and so I'm pretty certain that from that report, and from what, and from what, uh, from what a few others have told me, that they reached their destination point safely.
	But I can't be certain about all of them.
	Some might have even gotten trapped in other dimensions for all I know.
	Ah, a definite possible hitch.
	There is a little bit of a danger there.
	I haven't ever heard of anybody with a hyper resonator getting trapped in other dimensions yet.
	I suspect there might have been a few who may have had bad intentions and they suffered the consequences because of it.
	In other words, you've got to go into this with good intentions.
	Well, yes.
	Now, let's say I had your machine and I wanted to go ahead to 1999 and take a look at the market and see what was up, what was down, what stocks would be good to buy, And then come back and thusly invest my money.
	Would that be considered bad or even greedy intentions?
	Gosh, it could be.
	I don't know if... Let's see if there was any amount of evil connected with it.
	Evil.
	Or should I say...
	Tremendous amount of greed connected with it.
	Greed.
	All right, suppose that you knew that was my motivation.
	I want to do that.
	I want to go get stock price to make a million dollars.
	And I came to you and I said, that's what I want.
	I want, I want, I want, and I want to buy one of your machines, and that's what I'm going to do with it.
	Would you sell it to me under those conditions?
	Probably not, because I know right there that there's a guy who probably wouldn't get results.
	All right, hold it right there.
	We'll be right back to you.
	Steve Gibbs is my guest.
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	Now, here again, Art Best.
	Once again, here I am.
	Stephen Gibbs is my guest.
	If you want to know about his time machine, there's an article in strange, uh, Strange Magazine.
	I think that's what it's called, Strange Magazine.
	And you can get to it by going to my webpage right now.
	And you can read all about it.
	And read all about Stephen Gibbs.
	www.artbell.com is my website.
	You'll see the link to the Gibbs article right at the top of the page.
	And we'll get back to Stephen Gibbs.
	And I have so many questions about time travel.
	Kind of like an earthquake, he said, when you go.
	All right, Stephen Gibbs is my guest, and he is at a farm, at a remote location.
	We may tell you more here shortly.
	Stephen, if I had your mom on the phone right now... Can I ask you, Stephen, how old are you?
	I'm 39.
	39, all right.
	If I had your mom on the phone right now, and I said, hey, Steve's mom, tell me about your son and the time machines that he builds, what would she say?
	That's hard to say.
	I don't get into that crazy stuff.
	I see.
	Alright, look, we will eventually get some calls here.
	Every line is locked up and has been for a long time, but I've got some faxes here and these make sense.
	Hi Art, this is a question for Steve.
	Forgive me for asking this, but if time travel is possible, Why is Steven Gibbs still here?
	That's for me?
	That's for you.
	I couldn't answer it, Steve.
	Why are you still here?
	Well, that's because I'm not in any position to travel to any faraway period as yet.
	And not only that, it's not as simple As one might think in locating the right type of grid point to go physically.
	Mike Mazurkiewicz had good luck because he lived close to a place where there was UFO sightings.
	But since I'm really not in a position to go anyplace, since I would have to probably start all over again.
	I just kind of like it here for now.
	Well, that was going to be my question, and I think that's really the answer.
	In other words, the people that have gone, 35 or so at least, they wanted to go.
	They wanted out of here.
	They wanted to go somewhere else.
	They didn't have a lot of family attachments, that kind of thing.
	Even if you could go, the answer then really is, you don't want to.
	Well, not really.
	I do make jumps, though, from time to time, but they're only short jumps, like maybe a year into her future.
	All right.
	That brings me then to the next facts.
	It says, this is Mitch in Seattle, Art.
	Steve says he's traveled to the future.
	He also mentioned that he liked to travel to the past to stay away from the earth changes.
	So the obvious question, Steve, is from the people that you've talked to, that you've sold machines to, or your own knowledge, what's coming?
	From what I saw and from what other people have seen, that by the year 2000, the Earth will have already shifted its axis.
	Its axis.
	I don't know, I think it'll just be a minor shift, but nonetheless it'll be enough of a shift that it'll create a pretty doggone major earthquake.
	Globalize.
	And, uh, I, uh, when I, uh, when I used the Hyper Resonator a few years back, I went to the year 1997, around the month of, uh, September.
	Later this year?
	Yes.
	And?
	And I saw World War III in progress.
	Oh, Steve.
	Now I hope that This will be postponed.
	Not necessarily everything you see in the future will come to pass.
	You're talking about nuclear war?
	Somewhat similar, yes.
	It was a huge aerial battle that I saw when I landed there and then I saw a huge intercontinental ballistic missile being launched.
	That's bad.
	And I don't know whether, well it looked like it was going out, but I would imagine there was a few missiles coming in, too.
	But what I'm hoping is that this will be delayed for, I hope, for another ten years.
	Now, see, I was going to begin to ask you about the nature of time.
	The past is fixed.
	In other words, it's already occurred in our timeline, anyway, or our dimension.
	Yeah.
	But the future...
	It is your view that the future is malleable?
	It could be changed?
	There are some things that you cannot change in our future.
	There are things that are predestined to happen.
	If you see something, there are some things you can change, whereas there are some things you can't.
	Now, when going into Earth's past, You can change the past, but you only change the past for the person that has traveled back there.
	In other words, let's say for example, somebody died in a car accident.
	You want to go back and prevent that accident from happening.
	So you move back with your time machine.
	And you intercept that event.
	Well, just at the moment that you intercept that person from colliding with another vehicle, you hear a, all of a sudden you hear a large boom, thud, or popping noise, and right then you end up shifting over into another universe that is following a different course in time that matched with the event that you altered.
	In other words, it's going to happen come hell or high water.
	Uh, you might be able to alter it in one timeline, but not another, is that what you're saying?
	No, no, when you go back, you can change it, but when you do, you shift yourself over to another universe that corresponded with the event that you altered.
	Uh, in other words, the person would still be dead in this universe.
	Oh, oh, but in another one, he might still be alive.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	I've got it.
	That way it doesn't disrupt the, uh, space-time continuum, because if that were to happen, God only knows what would happen.
	The whole universe would break down.
	So you're saying then there is a natural... It's a law.
	It's a time law that can't be broken.
	Because if it were possible to change our own direct past timeline, God, this would be a disaster.
	Yeah, it would be just an utter disaster.
	Alright, here's another one.
	Very interesting guest, Art.
	It makes some sense to me.
	The machine makes sense.
	But, if you go back to an era before electricity, and you don't like it there, how the hell do you get back?
	It's a really big practical question, since according to him, you have to plug the thing in for it to work.
	Thanks, Mike in Portland.
	Well, there's basically a time limit on jumping through time.
	Now, once in a while you can get locked into another time period, which would probably be the danger there.
	But normally, though, there's a time limit on how long you can stay in another time period, generally anywhere from six to nine hours.
	And then you just simply move, you just automatically return.
	Now, if you don't want to, now, if you want to stay longer than six or nine hours, then you have to program or program the time, the amount of time that you want to stay in that period into the machine.
	I've got you.
	And your machine allows that to be done.
	Yeah.
	Now an interesting feature about time travel is, and certain people will eventually realize this sooner or later, is that it has a unique advantage of rejuvenating the body after you return back to the present.
	In other words, you can go back, let's say with a broken ankle, or a serious illness or sickness.
	And then we turn back a few seconds later, shoot, you're completely cured.
	Now that certainly has good practical application.
	Yeah, it turns the aging cycle back to the time when you just stopped growing.
	Wow.
	And this has already been proven by other time trials.
	It's been proven by Mike Mazurkiewicz over in Great Falls.
	Boy, would I love to talk with Mike Mazurkiewicz.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, or some of the others that you have sold these machines to do you generally have now when you sell a
	machine Do you find there's a lot of customer satisfaction or is it
	kind of like the doctors who?
	Well, you know when the patient dies they can't they can't bitch about the service I
	I'm out.
	I generally don't get that many complaints.
	But why would that be?
	Because the machine works as advertised or because the people, as I said, really can't complain when they're... Well, the interesting thing about it, the reason why I don't get too many complaints is, well, maybe the reason too is because they've disappeared and Well, there you are.
	Or, you know, even if they don't accomplish time travel, you know, they can still be able to use it either for help healing people, or for increasing their psychic abilities, or for increasing their intelligence.
	Some lesser thing.
	All right.
	All right, here's another one.
	All right, please ask Steve about this statement from Strange Magazine in the interview.
	Steven Gibbs, when they sent some scientists from the Montauk Project into Earth's future, They hit a barrier in the year 2012.
	When they tried to go past the barrier from 2012 to 2013, they couldn't go through.
	They could only go around it.
	But after they went around it, they found that all life on this planet had been wiped out.
	Everything gone.
	Cities in ruins.
	No life found anywhere.
	At least they couldn't find any.
	They concluded that everything had been wiped out.
	Sounds an awful lot like the event Major Ed Dames has talked about.
	That's another story, by the way.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, that's correct.
	I feel that, however, that is the future that is going to happen if the Lord doesn't come back and shorten those years.
	So there's some kind of barrier at 2012?
	Yeah, there's a barrier there.
	Right at the end of the seven-year tribulation period, Boy, I'll tell you, I've talked to a lot of people who have said that.
	You're not the only one.
	But the way I kind of figure, though, if the Lord doesn't shorten those years, that's basically what's going to happen to this earth.
	Stephen, I've talked to remote viewers who have tried to look out past that point, and they, too, say it's like a block, and they can't get past it, and they can't figure out why.
	And Ed Dames has said that some gigantic, his word, spiritual event is going to occur. Do you consider that possible?
	They say, a lot of people say that the earth is going to transcend into another dimension,
	but if there ain't no life on this planet, then what's there to ascend to? I mean, but
	by the... I personally don't think it's going to be a dimensional shift myself. I think
	the reason why there's a barrier there is because time is solely connected with human
	consciousness.
	And...
	And, well, it's somewhat connected with human consciousness.
	And so if you eliminate the humans, shoot, you've got your barrier.
	Yeah, I'll say.
	That'd make a barrier.
	Alright.
	Now, there could be a dimensional shift, but I think that more or less is connected with the rapture occurring.
	That may be.
	That would certainly be a spiritual event, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, it would.
	Alright, so a lot of people then, and I understand this, and they go into the past.
	For me, I really dug the fifties.
	I mean, I was young in the fifties and it seemed like a carefree time.
	I really enjoyed the mid-fifties.
	Do you find a lot of people want to go back there?
	Yeah, especially a man in New York City who had bought a machine from me.
	He's always, of course, he hasn't had the time to locate a grid point since he lives within city limits, but he hopes to activate Let's say I went back to 1955, alright?
	resonator over a grid point probably like towards the end of 98 in order to travel back
	to the year 1956 which I believe he will succeed since he has already seen his other self in
	another time period.
	Ah, now there's my next question.
	Let's say I went back to 1955, alright?
	I was 10 then.
	When I arrive in the past, am I able to operate as I can here?
	Can I touch things?
	Oh yeah, certainly.
	Will I be seen by people?
	Yeah, certainly.
	I can talk to people?
	Yep.
	But if I try to alter anything... It shifts you over into another timeline.
	So in other words, I can't screw with time.
	If I go back, I've got to keep it to myself and play act as though that's where I'm from.
	Yeah.
	Now, the obvious question is, if I go back to 55, what if I go and try to find myself?
	Well, wait a minute, then I guess I'm screwing with time.
	I'm altering time, and it's going to shift me, isn't it?
	Well, yeah, as soon as you... See, there's a rule of thumb you never want to do when you're time-traveling, is to run into your other self.
	It's just like putting two bare ends of an extension of a wire together, and what it does...
	It doesn't destroy your other self.
	What happens is, you either fuse into him, if you get too close to him, or else you end up pushing him into another dimension.
	And that's why a person should not seek themselves out.
	It can be a mess, because if you have to take the place of your other double, Uh, after you end up, uh, pushing him into another dimension or fusing into him, he could really mess things up for you.
	alright well then if you were to go into the past you know you you would arrive
	without a social security card i mean assuming you're gonna ride one so
	security existed and our drivers license any kind of idea or anything you would
	be on as a person
	but you would have no ID.
	So do you ever tell anybody anything about that?
	I mean, suppose I went back to 1500, for example.
	Yeah, I know.
	I've often wondered how I was going to make it, if I was going to move back to 1981, which
	I plan on doing someday, possibly within the next year or two, how I'm going to get by
	with my credentials.
	Exactly.
	But I think what you can do is still use the same ID form, still get by.
	They're not going to like the date.
	I mean, if you show them a license, a driver's license from 1996 or 7, they're just not going
	Yeah, now you could still use your social security number, but you couldn't use your driver's license or anything else.
	Now depending, if you go way back, say to the year 1500, the language problems, the customs, that would be a hard way to go.
	Yeah, it would.
	Yeah, you'd have to be pretty well renowned on foreign languages.
	Listen, I want To give you a chance to give your address.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	You do want to give it, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I sell a catalog for a dollar is what I basically... Oh, they can get a catalog for a dollar!
	And the catalog has your time machine in it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it shows my reports along with two different types of time travel devices.
	Oh, two of them!
	Another experimental one that I've been working with and I'm selling through my catalog is the STM spacetime modulator.
	STM spacetime modulator?
	And this is a handheld pocket unit, but it hasn't been tested out yet for physical.
	Now the hyper resonator has been, but the STM is just designed more for those who just want to have an out-of-the-body experience.
	I'm not a big experimenter with things that haven't been tested yet.
	I like your model that, well, you know, that appears to work.
	Yeah.
	Well, now we're so close to the top of the hour, we'll give out the address after the top of the hour, I guess.
	May I ask one more question?
	How long does it take you from the minute you begin building one of these machines until you've got the finished model ready to ship off to somebody?
	some perspective on that. Usually on the average of 3 to 4 days to build one of these.
	Usually on the average of 3 to 4 days to build one of these.
	Oh, that's quite a project.
	Yeah, it is.
	It takes me roughly around anywhere from 9 to 12 hours to build one.
	Are there any exotic parts that are hard to get hold of, or is it just a lot of manually intensive labor?
	There's a lot of manually intensive labor.
	I have three already built that are in stock now and I usually keep three or more units
	in stock just in case I get a lot of orders.
	Oh I understand.
	You know if you've only got three in stock now.
	Alright hold on Steven.
	Hold on and just get your address in mind.
	We'll do that when we come back and take phone calls.
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	It certainly is.
	Good morning, everybody.
	My guest is Stephen Gibbs.
	He has a workshop and a finishing shop on a farm in a location you're about to hear about.
	And he builds Time machines.
	Real, physical time machines.
	If you want to talk to them, your opportunity is about to manifest itself.
	In this timeline, anyhow.
	Uh, so we'll get back to them in a moment.
	And, uh, if you've missed the first hour, we devoted to a technical explanation of how his machine works, and he told us.
	The second hour, we talked about the nature of time travel.
	This hour, it's your turn.
	You want to ask questions?
	Great.
	And I know you do, because the phones are going nuts.
	Well, alright.
	Back to my guest, Stephen Gibbs.
	You want to know more about him, go to my website now.
	There is a link to Strange Magazine that did an extensive article on Stephen Gibbs and his time machine.
	It's on my website.
	Go up there.
	www.artbell.com You'll see a link to Mr. Gibbs' article directly.
	Take it straight over and you can read the article and ask questions from that or from what you've heard here.
	If you've missed a lot of it, that'll fill you in to some degree.
	All right, we're about to go to the lines, but I have promised, and so I am going to allow Steve to give his address out.
	That's all you're going to give out is an address, right?
	Yeah.
	And for like $1, people can get a catalog Which has your time machines in it, and then they can decide if they want to go any farther, or they just want to have a time machine catalog, not something you get every day.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What is, uh, it's, uh, Stephen Gibbs, G-I-B-B-S, right?
	Yep.
	And what is your address?
	Uh, my address is R-R-1.
	R-R-1.
	Box 7-9.
	RR1.
	Fox79.
	Seven nine.
	Clearwater.
	Clearwater.
	Nebraska.
	And the zip is 68726.
	68726.
	Alright.
	Steven Gibbs.
	RR1.
	Box 79.
	Clearwater, Nebraska.
	Zip code 68726.
	Right?
	Yep.
	And you've got a little catalog.
	Alright, Stephen Gibbs, RR1, Box 79, Clearwater, Nebraska, zip code 68726, right?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	And you've got a little catalog.
	Yeah.
	A time machine catalog.
	Yep.
	And then if they want to order one of the time machines, if you get a bunch of orders, I've got it.
	I mean, you said you've got three sitting on the shelf.
	Yeah.
	Yes, I do.
	Well, see, Steven, I've got a lot of listeners.
	Millions, even.
	And so, you could get sort of back-locked.
	yeah a little bit uh...
	so uh... you should uh... then inform people i guess on how long the wait
	somehow it's going to be if you get real backlog
	Yeah, that's what I plan on doing.
	Alright.
	Um, alright.
	Please, Art, ask your guest if it is possible to bring something back from the past.
	Say I wanted something small, like a pack of pre-war Green Label Lucky Strike cigarettes.
	Very politically incorrect.
	Could I bring them back, say, from 1935?
	That would be cool.
	Thanks, Dan and Eugene.
	Could you do that?
	Yes, you can.
	Mike Mazurkiewicz over in Great Falls was able to retrieve a newspaper back from the year 1945.
	Really?
	Now, some objects can stay in the present time frame, Without running the risk of anything happening to it.
	But then other objects, after the space of something like three to four days, will begin to fade out on you.
	Fade out?
	Yeah.
	Fade out.
	Fade out, cool.
	That's kind of like, oh, what was that movie?
	Oh, what was that movie on TV?
	about the people in an aircraft airliner who went back in time, the...
	Alright, anyway, those things too began to fade out.
	So a physical object cannot necessarily stay in the wrong timeline very long.
	No, unless, of course, it was somewhat predestined to stay there.
	I don't know.
	I think certain laws apply to retaining an object from another time period, depending on whether or not it was stolen or obtained by natural means.
	Could you ask Steve, what would happen if you went back in time and something happened and you got killed back there somehow?
	Would you be dead back there only, or would you be dead in both times, past and present?
	You'd be dead back there only.
	Oh, no kidding.
	So if you went back to 1500 and somebody ran you through with a sword, you'd be okay here.
	Unless you were locked back there, and then you'd be in trouble.
	Oh, you're not sure about that?
	Well, if you died in another time period, let's see, if somebody ran a sword through you in another time period, for example, you'd die in the other time period.
	Yep.
	No question about it.
	But would you come back here and be alive?
	Not if you're dead, I mean.
	Okay, so in other words, dead is dead.
	Alright, um, Art, how does Miss Gibbs know that an ICBM, the one you talk about, wasn't being launched to break up, say, a meteor?
	In other words, how do you know that it was a war that was underway that you saw?
	Uh, the reason why I knew that was because I saw bodies falling from the sky.
	Oh, God.
	From, uh, from the, uh, Uh, how can I put it?
	Uh, the air battle that was going on.
	I see.
	There was just so many people being killed in the air that, uh, at first, you know, I thought it was rain.
	Then I started looking closely at what was falling from the sky, and it was body parts.
	Oh, that's horrible.
	That's horrible.
	That is horrible.
	All right.
	Here we go to the telephones.
	This should be an interesting experience.
	There will be some people, Stephen, I can tell you right now, who are going to say things like, you're making this up as you're going along.
	And that can't be, because they did this article in Strange Magazine on you when?
	Oh, jeez, I think it was back in 94.
	94.
	So they did that three years ago.
	94. 94. So they did that three years ago. Yeah. So you can't be making it up as you're
	going along because... Yeah, it's either 94 or 95 I think.
	I can't be certain, because there was an area there where it overlapped between two years.
	Alright, if somebody comes on and says to you, Gibbs, you're as crazy and loony as anybody I've ever heard time travel, it absolutely can't be true, what do you say to someone like that?
	You either have the faith or you don't.
	Alright, one last question, then we go to the phones.
	I've interviewed a guy named Mike Markham, who I nicknamed Madman Markham.
	He is back near Kansas City, Missouri, and he has built this incredible contraption, which began as a Jacob's Ladder.
	I don't know if you know what that is.
	Yeah.
	Okay, then he's got these rotating electromagnets And he's got this giant thing built in a warehouse, and he's developing three million volts, and he's gonna walk through this thing, and he's trying to achieve what you say you've already done, time travel.
	Yeah.
	And I'm worried that Mike is going to fry himself, uh, like an overdone french fry.
	Uh, that sounds like it.
	Um, so, I'm wondering if Mike ought not consult with you.
	Now, your device does utilize an electromagnet using 110 AC volts.
	Yeah.
	Is it UL approved?
	Uh, what do you mean UL approved?
	You know that little sticker they got on things that says UL approved?
	Never mind, I didn't mean to ask you that.
	Alright, here comes some phone calls.
	Let's see what happens.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Steve Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Los Angeles, California.
	Los Angeles, alright.
	I just wanted, first of all, to let Steve know that I'm just asking questions so I can, you know, try to help better understand this.
	That's fair, go ahead.
	I'm not trying to dispel what he's created.
	Go ahead.
	Earlier he talked about how you couldn't maybe travel if it was under false pretenses or greed, as he said.
	Right, I tried the greed question.
	Right, exactly.
	So, if you're dealing with an object that is capable of understanding and manipulating the complexities of time travel, why would it be affected by something that is merely a contrived human moral?
	Alright, in other words, why does morality... Now, I asked you, Stephen, whether you would sell me a machine if I stated my motive was greed, and you said no.
	But his question goes to the The Zero Point Energy or the God Force, in other words, so how do you answer that?
	That's a good one.
	Why does that force care what your mottos are?
	And look, there are questions that I understand that you could not answer.
	I don't think I could either.
	We're getting into questions like, where does the sky end or something about God.
	Well, I would say, you know, if it goes so far as to harm other people, then, you know, why is the Creator going to allow that person to make the jump?
	Alright, I think that's fair to leave there.
	I mean, I don't expect you to have the answer to that one.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Steve Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art and Steve.
	This is John in Dublin.
	Dublin, where?
	California.
	All right.
	Knowing your timeline, Art, if you've got the old Kingston Trio thing, you should put it on for the next round.
	Do you ever return?
	And the guy stuck on the train, right?
	Roger.
	And my question is for Steve.
	The grid parts, are there grid parts in water, do you know, Steve?
	Uh, is that over in California, you mean?
	Well, anywhere.
	I know it seems like that'd be a safe place to pick.
	Oh, he's saying, can you find grids on water?
	Oh, I see.
	Oh, I misunderstood that.
	Yes, I would imagine so.
	Uh... Uh... Yeah, you might be able to even obtain a little bit better results if you could activate it over a body of water.
	Okay, now, how do you come back?
	Uh, does the machine go with you?
	Uh, only if you, uh, program it to go with you.
	If you don't program it to go with you, uh, only the electromagnet will move.
	Oh, no kidding.
	Uh... Oh, as a matter of fact, uh, uh, thank you very much, Carl.
	There was... Tell us a story.
	There was a guy who made a jump, and something broke.
	Didn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It, uh, sliced his unit into two parts because he didn't program it to go with him.
	So it cut it in half?
	Well, yeah, well, yeah, it sliced the connections between the electromagnet and the unit, is what it did.
	So he ended up on the other end, wherever he went, with one piece and some dangling wires?
	Yeah, yeah, basically, with the electromagnet, the unit stayed behind, and he didn't want to try that again, so next time, on the second jump, he made to Now, this is really important, Stephen.
	When you sell a time machine to somebody, does it come with a good instruction manual?
	Yes, it does.
	time he made the jump, he then programmed the information into it and then both the
	machine and the electromagnet went with him.
	Now, this is really important, Stephen.
	When you sell a time machine to somebody, does it come with a good instruction manual?
	Yes, it does.
	I mean, that seems very important so that people don't do that kind of thing because
	it would be really upsetting to go back to, say, 1500 and be there with just a piece of
	it and dangling wires.
	You'd go, oh, man!
	Or even something else.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's if they would happen to accidentally get locked into that time period.
	Now, if they didn't get locked, they would automatically return after 69 hours.
	Yeah, see, that goes to the question that a lot of people have faxed.
	And they say, this is crazy, because there wouldn't be any 115-volt outlet In 1500, so you're up the proverbial creek.
	Yeah.
	And again, your answer is, well, you can program it two ways.
	One, to go back and stay there, in which case, tough beans, you're at your new home, or you will automatically return, you said, in six to nine hours.
	Yeah, correct.
	All right, thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Good evening, Art Bell.
	Good evening, Stephen Gibbs.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm Tim in St.
	Louis.
	All right, Tim.
	Um, I have two things.
	One, a statement, which is that, uh, you know, you should contact Mike Markham, or somebody out there should call him, just so he can correlate data, if nothing else.
	I know.
	Oh, I know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he ended up getting abducted, though.
	Oh, did he?
	Yes, uh, some, uh, time trackers, or some MIB agents.
	Uh, hunting down back in 69.
	Are you talking about Markham?
	Uh, well, Mike, Mike Mazurkiewicz.
	Oh, Mazurkiewicz.
	No, no, no, I'm talking about Markham.
	Oh, right, Madman Markham.
	He's talking about Madman Markham.
	You don't really know Madman, you ought to.
	No, that's a whole other story.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Okay, and my, uh, the other thing is a two-part question.
	If you go back in time, and you do alter an event, and it sunts you over into another dimension, What happens to your double in that dimension?
	Are you just sitting there next to the other double just like you would be if you went back in time to say when you were a little kid or something?
	Let him answer the first part, alright?
	No, you wouldn't.
	You'd be shifted over to a universe where your other self wasn't there.
	Oh, wow.
	So like you'd change the event and there wouldn't even be another person to confuse things.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, right.
	Okay, well, maybe I'll still ask the second part anyway, even though that kind of covers it, which is that, um, you said that, like, one of the ways that you attune this device by, like, uh, you, like, concentrate on the time that you want to go back to?
	Yeah.
	Can you also attune this device in such a way, like, like, somehow, say, trade places with another self in another dimension that wants to be where you are and you want to be where they are?
	Yeah, I think so.
	There was a friend of mine in New York City who went by the name of... Hold it, hold it.
	Both of you, hold on.
	We'll be back to both of you and pick that up.
	Caller, can you hold on through the break?
	Sure.
	Alright, stay right there then and we'll be back to both of you.
	This is the American CBC Radio Network.
	time travel?
	Now, here again, Art Bell.
	I mean, this has got to be the one.
	Time travel.
	Is it possible?
	Or, as one rather rude faxer says regarding Mr. Gibbs, Medication time.
	Medication time.
	What about that, Steven?
	Just before we go back to this caller who's on hold, have people talked to you about, you know, wearing the white coat that you can't get out of and going into the padded room and all that sort of thing?
	No, not really.
	Generally the ones who think I'm crazy or a fruitcake.
	They just generally never contact me to begin with.
	I understand that.
	I understand that.
	And by the way, remember the movie we were trying to think of?
	Stephen King's The Langoliers.
	That was it.
	That was a good movie.
	Alright, caller, you're back on the line again.
	Okay.
	So, go ahead.
	Okay, well my question was, considering that you said that part of the operation of this device involved Mentally concentrating on a specific time and then like attuning the device and then going there.
	Would it be possible to like mentally concentrate on say a time where there was another version of you that wanted to be where you are now and you wanted to be where they are and essentially creating places so that nothing would get messed up or altered or anything like that at all?
	Yes, you can do that.
	Yeah, see there's different types of time travel.
	There's types where you can move back or forward through the arrows of time, or if you want to move, or when you move quantumly, that's when you trade places with another one of your bodies over in another universe.
	And yes, that can be done.
	Not only have I done it, but Uh, a friend over in New York City has also done it as well.
	All right.
	Uh, here's a practical question, uh, from, uh, let's see, it's Michael in Indiana.
	Um, if you get backlogged, um, uh, Steven, in manufacturing time machines by the millions, would you be willing to sell schematics and or assembly instructions for me to make one sort of in kit assembly mode for myself to alleviate the pressure on you?
	Uh, yeah.
	Yeah, I'd do that.
	Oh, no kidding.
	All right.
	Here's another one.
	How far back in time can you go?
	What are the limits?
	Could you go back and watch the pyramids be built?
	Yeah, there's practically no limit, depending on the grid point.
	I mean, yeah, you can go even back to the time of Atlantis if you wanted to, provided you didn't hit no barrier.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Steve.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm calling from the Monterey Peninsula.
	This is Michael.
	All right, Michael.
	Yes, Steve, if you would, touch into the health aspect.
	Say you went into this with a common cold, possibly where you broke your leg, maybe a birth defect.
	Not going in or coming back out, would you not have a cold or a birth defect, broken leg?
	All right, good question.
	In other words, if you... In a way, I think you did answer that already, but if something is wrong with you health-wise today, And you travel back in time, would you return with that health problem gone?
	Yes, pretty much so, yes.
	It rejuvenates your entire system.
	As a matter of fact, the more times you jump, the more it changes your physical appearance.
	Oh, really?
	How so?
	In other words, you're younger?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Younger, but eventually, if you make enough jumps, eventually you become physically perfect.
	Or at least I guess.
	Really?
	One woman was telling me she did that whenever she'd get a few wrinkles on her face, she'd just pop back to the 1960s and in a few seconds later she'd be back and her face would be back to normal again.
	You know, there's a few Hollywood...
	Let's go to the phones.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Sam from San Diego.
	San Diego, yes sir.
	Yes, I have three questions.
	One is for Steve, and that would be, can you bring objects back from the future, or let's say, people?
	Okay, we already covered that.
	We didn't cover people.
	How can you bring people back?
	If you take a person back, There's a danger there in bringing human beings, especially from the past to the future.
	The reason for that is a proven in the Montauk Project that if you travel, like say, into the future and stay too long there, you'll begin to age rapidly.
	Oh.
	And so the same rule would be applied if you were going to take somebody from the past To the present, there would be a danger of that individual aging quite rapidly after the space of three to four days.
	However, the problem could be remedied by having the individual set in a pyramid for something like two or three hours, and that might be able to stabilize his time frame.
	Okay.
	Other than that, it would be quite dangerous.
	All right, one more question, Caller.
	Yes, and I was wondering if you could run into yourself in the future.
	In the future?
	Yes.
	I would... Well, I don't know.
	The same rules apply as in past time, Caller.
	You'd end up pushing your other self over into another dimension.
	That's what you do.
	All right, Larry in Bristol, Virginia, wants to know how much one of your time devices costs to buy, purchase.
	Uh, they usually run for right around, uh, $360.
	Around $300.
	Boy, that's cheap to travel in time.
	Chief, um, East of the Rockies, you're on the air, uh, with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hello.
	Hello, my name's Dave from Ohio.
	Hello, Dave.
	Uh, you know, this is just really amazing, everything I've heard tonight.
	Uh, I'm, I work for a small science company here in Ohio, and, uh, The gentleman I work for is named Charles Story.
	He just wrote a book, The Grand Unified Theory Made Easy.
	And as he showed me this book over the last year and taught me what his theory is all about, it shows a science that would enable you to build these kinds of devices and do these types of things.
	Well, does the device described sound like you heard Steve describe his?
	Yes, I've seen some of Charlie's experiments.
	And from what I've seen, we take a transformer, just a regular transformer, and then run the electricity through coils.
	And these coils have reversing fields.
	And these reversing fields have caused some really strange phenomena that we've documented and have been working with.
	And all along we've believed that We could build something like this and that this is the technology of the future.
	There's the new geometry.
	There's a new geometry they have based on hyperspace that I've seen that's been worked on.
	And everything here fits together.
	I just wanted to call in and let you and Steve know that, jeez, I just think this is really it.
	Given an opportunity, caller, would you travel, and if so, where?
	You know, I would like to travel.
	I believe that everything... I've done some theological studies, and I do believe that the earth is changing.
	I believe that if you did go to the future, where even the remote viewers haven't been able to see anything, I believe that there's still something going on there.
	Uh, maybe we don't have conscious perception.
	Yeah, it just might be real lonely, that's all.
	Well, if there was going to be a band playing dog whistles, we wouldn't be able to hear the music, but the music would be real.
	That's right.
	And there might be actual living going on there, but with our narrow perception, we wouldn't be able to perceive what's actually happening in that higher dimension.
	I've got you.
	Alright, well listen, um, Stephen, let me ask you this.
	Just speculatively, alright?
	Let's say I'm Newt Gingrich, alright?
	I'm the Speaker of the U.S.
	House of Representatives, and I screwed up.
	I reported something wrong, you know, some time ago, years ago, and they're all over my case about it.
	Could I travel back in time and change my report?
	Just change it so that everything looks right and kosher, and then come back to present time and there'd be no big brouhaha going on Democrats wouldn't be clawing at me, trying to destroy me.
	Everything would be hunky-dory.
	Could I do that, or would that not work?
	You could do that quantumly.
	You couldn't do that physically, but quantumly you probably could switch places with your other double and then change it.
	So it could be done?
	Yeah, because I have been able to move back quantumly three or four days into her past, no problem.
	No problem, huh?
	Alright.
	I made an attempt once to change the president.
	When I got back, I found out everything around me was changed.
	Hey Steve, I was just curious.
	Do you think because of all this, you could basically be uneducated and come up with ideas that are beyond your norm or principle?
	Well, I feel I get a lot of this information from the divine.
	In other words, you think a lot of the entrepreneurship, the idea for this, the inspiration for it, is from God?
	Yes, correct.
	How big is this machine?
	Oh, um...
	Well, the box, the, the, uh...
	I'd have to get out the...
	I mean, just give me a rough guess.
	Oh, roughly it would be about 6 inches, the unit, not the electromagnetic, the unit is roughly about, I would say anywhere from 5 to 6 inches wide by 7 or 8 inches long and then something like about 2 and a half inches high.
	No problem, it ships UPS.
	Of course, then, there's the electromagnet part that comes with it, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Alright, now, how much danger is there that when somebody does this, they would fry themselves?
	Oh, there's not any danger.
	Not that much.
	Basically, there isn't any danger of getting fried unless you start working with items that I don't suggest in my instruction manual.
	Okay, well I'm glad there's an instruction manual.
	Yeah, because one woman I sold the unit to, living in New York City, who overloaded her unit with too much energy, and she tried using a ruby or something in it, and... What happened?
	There was some indication that she bursted into flames.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, from doing that.
	And if you step up the energies too damn much, for some people, you know, that can be pretty doggone dangerous.
	And so, you know, I keep it at a level that's safe for human use.
	I see.
	All right.
	Well, that makes sense.
	All right.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	East Virginia.
	All right.
	Yeah, I have two questions.
	If you go back to the past, and like, if you're at your childhood home, Can you interact with your parents and your sisters and brothers and your friends?
	Oh, that's a really good question.
	By the way, you mean eastern state of Virginia, right?
	Yeah.
	Could you do that?
	Even though you're not supposed to meet yourself, what about going back and seeing mom and dad and sisters and brothers when they were younger?
	Boy, I suppose it could be done.
	But since you were linked up with them somehow, it might end up shifting you.
	I seriously don't think you'd run into any problems there.
	I think you could go back and visit them.
	Alright.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Yes, uh, yes, Art Bell?
	Yes, uh, where are you, please?
	Yes, I am in Northern California.
	Yes, what is your question?
	I, I want to say that I, I do not agree with any of the things that, uh, that your guest is saying.
	Well, that's okay.
	I, I am doing, have been doing experimentation for some time in the area that you are talking about.
	Yes?
	The thing that he is talking about is using his mind No, that's alright.
	electromagnetic. It makes no sense. I am doing experimentation with massive gravitational
	fields where we can emulate or approximate the density which is found in a neutron star.
	Excuse me for being somewhat nervous.
	No, that's all right. You approximate the gravity of a neutron star. Now, excuse me
	for questioning you, but that would require more energy than I know of that we have on
	Earth.
	Well, this is becoming thought, but, and I am not at liberty to disclose this.
	Well, see, there's... Sir, sir, sir, sir, sir.
	You contact me privately, and I will get you on the air, Or, I will talk to you about this, and we'll find out how much you can disclose, because when you make a claim... See, at least Steven Gibbs came on here, and he told us exactly how he's doing what he's doing.
	You're coming on here and saying, I can approximate the gravitational field of a neutron star, which is incredible, but I can't disclose how I do it.
	If I were to disclose this, I would be I don't know how to explain it to you, but it would change everything about my life, the fact that I'm calling you right now and giving you this information.
	The reason that I have called is I think your callers are very naive to even think that this man can do anything that he says that he can do, and I challenge him Well, you know what, though?
	Having said that, I think you're in a wrong position to be saying that, Stephen.
	and let that let that be a ticket to what he
	great he can't do and i will tell you he is a product
	well you know what though uh... having said that
	uh... i think you're in a wrong position to be saying that uh... steven
	i knew you were going to take some criticism and that's fair enough
	But here comes a guy with criticism, making outrageous claims himself, and then saying, oh, but I can't disclose to you how I do it.
	So I think that we should, you know, perhaps consider the source.
	And I do in this particular case.
	That was very unfair.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Fred up in Tacoma.
	Yes, Fred.
	Hey, I just have a question about this health thing going back in time.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	I had a liver transplant.
	What would happen to me?
	Good question.
	Oh, boy.
	I would imagine it would just restructure around your liver transplant then.
	Would it make sense?
	Or should I say...
	Would it regrow the liver?
	I would imagine so.
	Yeah, I would say it would rejuvenate everything.
	It would replace the liver transplant that you had with another one.
	Well, that's interesting.
	All right.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	Listen, Stephen, we're coming to the top of the hour here.
	Are you real tired or can you do one more hour?
	Alright, I'm going to have to let you go pretty soon because it's 4 o'clock here and I've got to get to sleep.
	Sleep.
	Well, listen my friend, thank you.
	Thank you, I appreciate your being here and we'll do it again sometime, okay?
	Sure, sounds great.
	Alright, Stephen Gibbs, thank you and good night.
	This is CBZ.
	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	What is?
	Good morning, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Great to be here.
	Stephen Gibbs was my guest.
	Now, look, up on the website, you can still go up and read about Stephen Gibbs if you want to.
	Strange Magazine did a story about him, and it's still there to be read.
	We put a link in, so go to my webpage at www.artbell.com.
	And by the way, the entity photographs are still there as well.
	That's www.artbell.com and you can read all about it.
	Somebody from Pacific Palisades listening to K-A-B-C said, Hi Art.
	Asks Steve, if I buy one of his Infernal Machines, can I make time payments?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	Or this.
	How come no one's gone back to, say, 1962 and met the Beatles?
	Then work a deal as a secret partner and supply them with all their songs as required for the particular year as needed.
	Or did someone do it?
	Yeah, that's right.
	In other words, how do you know they didn't?
	Alright, we're gonna open lines in a moment.
	The news, such as it is, interesting cellular.
	An unnamed Democrat member of the House took a transcript of an eerie... Well, what happened is somebody intercepted a cellular telephone conversation between Newt Gingrich and the Republican leadership.
	And they recorded it.
	Oooh, that's bad.
	That's bad, bad, bad, and not legal.
	Then, they apparently turned it over to a Democrat member of the House, Who then turned it over to a couple of big newspapers.
	The contents of this, allegedly, were Mr. Gingrich reneging the Democrats' claim on his promise to use, or to actually not use, his power to strike back against the Ethics Subcommittee.
	Now, let me tell you, number one, there have been two felonies here, serious ones, taping a cellular telephone conversation.
	is a felony.
	Distributing that tape is a felony.
	I'm not sure about publicizing such a tape or actually a transcript of the tape.
	It may be by then that it's not a felony.
	I don't know.
	But it's a pretty awful thing all the way around, and it is another example of why I'm so ticked off about politics these days.
	It's partisanship over principle.
	There is no principle anymore.
	It's gone.
	There is no principle anywhere out there anymore.
	It's gone, folks.
	That's one of the truths of the quickening of the 90s.
	The late 90s, I might add.
	It's over.
	As far as I'm concerned, principle Morality?
	I don't say they don't exist, but, you know, when you look at something like this, Baloney, which is, I think, what all the other talk shows are talking about, what's the argument here?
	It's just plain wrong.
	It's just plain, it's a criminal act, period.
	It's like, it's cool, you know, if it's going to get us partisan gain, tape it, transcribe it, give it to major newspapers in New York and Washington, and just do it.
	I mean, that's the way it is in the 90s.
	There is no principle.
	There's just partisanship.
	The other big story, Paula Jones and the U.S.
	Supreme Court and the Prez.
	Everybody, I think, knows about Paula Jones by now, don't you?
	You know about Paula Jones.
	She was, she says, approached by the Prez in a hotel there in Little Rock.
	And invited to perform, it is alleged, certain acts upon our president.
	She wants an apology.
	I noticed on the Sunday shows, which featured a lot about this because Supreme Court's got it now, that a lot of the journalists who said Paula Jones was a floozy and more, are now recanting, saying, It was a cultural bias.
	That's what I heard of it.
	It was a cultural bias.
	You know, I looked at her with her, quote, big hair and I thought she was a floozy, something like that.
	It was a cultural bias and it was my error because now it looks like there really is something to her story.
	Anyway, whether there is or isn't, and I think there is, the big question is whether or not a president should be subject to being sued like Paula Jones is doing while he's in office now.
	The justices seemed about split.
	But it does look to me as though they're going to suggest that maybe the President can be sued.
	Or maybe there will be a compromise and depositions will be taken.
	It's not exactly known for sure.
	But, you know, my first take on this, I must tell you, is that it should not be allowed.
	Even though I personally believe Paula Jones.
	While the President is in office, it probably shouldn't be allowed.
	It's a very narrow call.
	If the alleged events that occurred while the President was in office, there's no question it certainly should be allowed.
	But this occurred prior to his taking... I'm really not sure.
	You know, I say I don't think so, but I have... I'll tell you, I have mixed feelings about it.
	And he's not royal to use the President of the United States, and, uh...
	It may be that it should be allowed to go ahead.
	I'm not... I don't know.
	Then they're talking about the agenda, you know, campaign finance reform, whether or not money ought to go to politicians.
	Money has been determined by the U.S.
	Supreme Court here in America to be a free speech covered by the First Amendment.
	In other words, if you want to give money to a politician, you're giving it for a cause, right?
	Money.
	For a cause equals free speech.
	So to change that, you would have to change the Constitution.
	It is, ladies and gentlemen, a horrible winter in the United States.
	Horrible!
	I have seen scenes, for example, here where I'm in the desert, the high desert, alright?
	Southern Nevada.
	I'm eight miles, eight miles from the California border.
	Do you know what we had today?
	We had Wind, followed by very cold rain, followed by a hailstorm, followed by a snowstorm, followed by, at the moment, about 28 degrees or 27 degrees Fahrenheit and falling fast.
	It may be down to around 23, not off.
	Well, there it looks.
	It's colder than hell.
	I mean, for here, believe me, it's cold.
	This is nothing.
	In the rest of the country we're getting flooding, mudslides, snow, ice, blizzards.
	Europe is gripped in a terrible winter.
	Greece, I saw, there were thunderstorms in Greece and flooding.
	I saw scenes of cars floating down the street like so many boats in a row.
	It was incredible.
	I think our weather is changing.
	Now, you're welcome to comment on that if you would like, but I believe That our weather is changing.
	Call it whatever you want to call it.
	I think it's changing.
	All right.
	We're going to open lines.
	Listen, one more thing.
	Ed Dames is in Hawaii.
	Ed Dames.
	Scitex.
	Ed Dames.
	And I got the following facts today.
	Art, okay, it's done.
	A definite date, Thursday, January 30th at 11 o'clock.
	Um, so there you are.
	Yeah.
	Ed is going to break a major story on this program.
	Thursday, January 30th at 11 o'clock.
	Major Ed Daines.
	Now how about those football games this weekend?
	The Packers!
	Oh man, what a game!
	What a team!
	What a game!
	I told you at the beginning of the year I thought the Packers would be in the Super Bowl and they're going to be in the Super Bowl.
	Along with New England.
	I won two bets.
	It's legal to bet here in Nevada.
	I won both of them.
	6.8 earthquake down in Mexico.
	That's a big one.
	6.8.
	If you follow a lot of things, you'll know that typically they move north from there.
	I would expect an earthquake shortly on the west coast someplace.
	I got the following and I don't know what to make of it.
	and I'll see you next time.
	Hellbop.
	It is now becoming visible once again.
	This is from a private citizen.
	Fremont Peak in Central California.
	I know where Fremont Peak is.
	It was easy art.
	An easy naked eye object.
	Quite nice.
	Ten times binoculars.
	Very nice through 77s.
	It was just a spot, not a pinpoint to the naked eye, a little smaller than the moon.
	It's pretty big.
	There was a noticeable tail when looking through the binoculars.
	I could see multiple streams in the tail through the telescope.
	The tail extended beyond one field of view on my 8-inch F10 W26 millimeter... something or another.
	Note that all this is pre-dawn.
	Through a pre-dawn glow, I'm sure there's more that could be detected.
	One interesting thing I noticed was the nucleus.
	It was not a uniform round spot in the coma.
	It appeared to be elongated in the same direction as the tail.
	Under higher power, 200 times, this shape was even more certain to me.
	Has anybody else seen this?
	My first thought was, I wonder if it's split in two.
	Wouldn't that be a nice sight?
	Twin Comets?
	Blazing along together in our March-April skies.
	Absolutely fascinating.
	Fascinating.
	Deadly.
	So, I'm going to go ahead and close this out.
	Thank you for watching.
	So many people are getting lake effect snow in the north-central part of the country that Fred in Buffalo, southeast of Buffalo, said, hey Art, when do you think Lake Erie is going to run out of water?
	With all this darn snow coming down, it ought to be dry by about this time next week, again going back to the terrible winter we're having.
	Listen, I have heard the following.
	I cannot confirm it, maybe you can.
	Telstar 401, AT&T's satellite, leased out to Fox, ABC, and PBS.
	It seems, or it has been reported, or alleged, that on the morning of Sunday, January 12, 1997, transmission from Telstar 401 stopped.
	Speculation was it was hit by a meteor or space debris.
	This is still unconfirmed.
	NORAD was contacted and has confirmed The Telstar 401 is still in orbit, but can no longer receive nor transmit.
	It is dead.
	Any speculation or comments?
	No.
	No, sir.
	I had three separate messages on Telstar 401.
	You guys tell me.
	Can anybody out there confirm that?
	That would be the first time something of this sort has I mean, satellites have a certain life, then they die.
	But if this one was either killed, uh, whether by natural causes, or murdered, that would be the first time that something like this has occurred.
	Very, very, very, very interesting.
	A wildcard line?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art Barrow.
	First time caller, long time listener.
	Yes, sir.
	I'd like to give credit to a man named Tom Pearson in San Antonio, Texas.
	He turned me on to you a little over a year and a half ago.
	Thank you, Tom.
	I've heard a lot of stuff on your show that I've never seen on television.
	I've never heard until later dates.
	Well, that's what I do here.
	Look, I could be like everybody else, but...
	What fun would that be?
	I mean, the airwaves are full.
	People complain.
	They say, why do you do this stuff?
	I do it because I want to do it, because it's fun, and because I think the audience will enjoy it.
	And if they don't, then anywhere else up and down the dial, they can go find whatever you usually find.
	You know, the president's a good guy, president's a bad guy, Newt Gingrich is a saint, he's the devil, or whatever.
	That's everywhere else.
	Exactly.
	And I guess that's why we're here, because we're tired of the same old, same old.
	Yeah.
	Eventually, the world of radio is going to wake up to that.
	But if they don't, then tell them.
	Oh, this is Mr. Wee in Seattle.
	Yes, sir.
	A couple of quick things.
	I've been curious on the telescope, and I need to get the call letters for Sacramento and Florida, St.
	Petersburg, Florida.
	People are always asking me for this.
	Um, in Sacramento, it's K-S-T-E.
	Okay?
	Alright, A-M, what?
	Um, six... I'm gonna say 650.
	Uh, I think it's 650.
	Hold on.
	See, I've got so many stations now, it's hard to remember all this stuff.
	Sacramento, yep, 650.
	And where else?
	Uh, St.
	Petersburg, Florida.
	St.
	Pe- Oh, that's a big one.
	Uh, W-H-N-Z, 570 on the dial.
	10,000 watts in St.
	Petersburg.
	How are you able to hear them in Cuba?
	Outstanding.
	Alright?
	I'm trying to be, I guess, an amateur astronomer, and my friends told me that the Saturn telescopes are supposed to be of good quality, and I'm not real familiar with the different types there are.
	I'm looking at one that has a 114mm diameter mirror, Yeah.
	You got a 5 by 24 viewfinder?
	Man, I'm not the right guy to... Look, I got a telescope for Christmas, and, uh, I'm all the wrong guy to ask because, number one, my wife had to put it together for me.
	Number two, uh, since I got it, there hasn't been one clear day, uh, except clear enough to go out and look at the mountain that's behind me here.
	Other than that, I haven't even been able to look at anything.
	It's really discouraging.
	Okay, well, I'll, uh, Continue to listen, and I'm looking for help.
	The quickening is upon us.
	I can't even believe you were listening to that guy named Steve earlier.
	He doesn't know what UL rating is, but he's making a time leap.
	No, he knew what it was.
	It took a little too long to come up with the answers.
	See, you're a little wrong.
	Steven's personality, it's his persona, it's the way he speaks.
	Not everybody is a professional speaker.
	You're talking about an amateur here.
	I mean, you know, a guy who's just a guy.
	And that's what a lot of people have to understand.
	I appreciate the call.
	Same deal with Madman Markham and a lot of other people I've interviewed.
	These are not professional speakers.
	These guys aren't going on the lecture circuit.
	They don't, you know, they're just guys.
	Why, it's so interesting because they're just guys!
	I'm Art Bell.
	Now, here again, Art Bell.
	Man, I just can't believe it.
	So many people don't get it.
	They just don't get it.
	A lot of things I do, I do because they're fun.
	A lot of guests I have on here, I have on because they're fun.
	And then again, you never know.
	And a lot of people just don't get it.
	Maybe I ought to be grateful for that.
	I guess I'll just let everybody else continue to do what they're doing.
	Right now, I'm in a chat room.
	Alright?
	On America Online.
	Yes, I'm up in the grassy knoll again.
	If you want to join us, come on in.
	We're on America Online.
	Go to Keyword, enter Art Bell, and when you get there, just click on the grassy knoll chat room, and we'll be in there.
	You'll see us.
	They're in there saying, let's see, what kind of things, all kinds of things.
	about steve are you know it was a wacko no i don't know that at all
	uh... it you've been doing this for years that he's been a wacko for years but i don't think so
	his manner of speaking was slow that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's
	talking about and i personally thought he was a fascinating
	fascinating interview and it's the kind of thing that i love to do
	and it's a kind of thing a lot of people out there don't get
	what the industry is beginning to get is that the ratings
	los angeles san diego
	of portland uh... seattle of market going on with the city's number one city
	at the city after city
	So, even though some of them out there don't get it, apparently enough people do.
	Uh, incidentally, what I told you about that satellite is right.
	Here it is, AP, from Robert at KQMS.
	An important communications satellite is out of service.
	Just as it's transferred to another owner is about to occur.
	Ooh!
	Telstar 401 carries material for ABC, Fox, and PBS.
	Among others, it's been out of operation now for several days.
	Operators are not sure if they can ever get it back.
	Most signals have been rerouted, and none of the networks was forced off the air.
	Wow!
	Dead!
	Dead in space!
	Lost in space, folks!
	Telstar 401, not lost, really.
	Dead.
	Very serious.
	Very, very serious.
	My, oh my.
	I'm sure glad it wasn't the satellite I'm on.
	See, there's Providence for you.
	Or maybe it was and Steven went back and fixed it for me.
	Used to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Um, I listened to you and I fell asleep.
	Very good program.
	But tonight I woke up and I hear you talking about electromagnetic force.
	Yes, uh-huh.
	Where are you, by the way?
	I'm in Duluth, Minnesota.
	Duluth.
	Oh, it's cold up there, huh?
	Oh, it is.
	But there's some strange things have happened, and I just kind of wondered if... I heard about this HAARP project that the government has, and some years ago there were two Tug boats here in Duluth that went down in the water, and nobody knew how that happened.
	And I started to think about electromagnetic force.
	I was wondering if our government has some kind of electromagnetic force where they can tip things over.
	And then there was a rash of accidents, like ferry boats tipping over, trains running into each other.
	And now, here in Two Harbors... Let us not forget a lot of airplanes going down, huh?
	There's a pilot that went down.
	They don't know why.
	A train just derailed.
	In the same area, a train just derailed.
	Like 90 cars went over.
	And someone was watching.
	It said that they saw this train coming.
	And it was going about 40 miles an hour.
	And it came along this curve.
	It was loaded with ore.
	The last boat that was coming to, with our pallets, was coming to Duluth to fill up the last boat that goes out.
	And every car just went right off the track.
	They toppled right over.
	Well, alright, thank you very much for the call.
	What I would say is, with regard to those various incidents, I can't attribute them all to one thing, or I can't say it's HAARP, or I can't say it's any single thing, but I can say That events are quickening.
	And they're strange.
	And if you think this year is normal, if you think this weather is normal, then I've got a bridge for you.
	Big one, too cheap.
	I'm telling you, I think there is a weather, a basic, profound weather change going on.
	Just my own personal opinion.
	Okay?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art.
	Hello.
	This is Martin from Oceanside.
	How you doing?
	And yeah, I saw my first ever, what would be called, meteorite last Thursday.
	I was on a Greyhound bus coming from San Diego to Oceanside, and I was astounded.
	I saw it over around La Jolla, that area, and it was, I'd seen a lot of shooting stars, that was a meteorite, and it was burning up, breaking up, and I just jumped in the seat right there.
	Okay, when was this?
	This is last Thursday, I believe it was, around 10.10, I looked in my watch, and it was pretty incredible.
	And another thing, you were talking about the time and space warp and stuff?
	Yes.
	And they had something about UFOs and Discovery Channel, and they had... They've been doing a whole series.
	Yeah, and they had an example of a signal that was sent in World War II to the Queen Mary ship.
	Right.
	And its signal is the same as the present Queen Elizabeth II ship.
	And 50 years, what is it, 50 years after World War II, the Queen Elizabeth II picked up that signal and they realized it was sent in World War II.
	Figure that out.
	It's been bouncing around in space.
	Uh, yeah, this is a, you know what?
	I should not be surprised at Telstar 401, uh, going down.
	I shouldn't be surprised.
	Uh, it could have been a lot of things.
	There is a lot of space debris up there, and frankly, it's surprising something hasn't been murdered before.
	That'd be weird.
	I'm on a KU band, uh, satellite.
	I think it's GE-1.
	We're on GE-1 now.
	And, any second, something could come along and go slicing through GE-1 like a hot, hot knife through butter.
	And, psst, I'd be gone.
	That'd be it.
	So I'm dependent on GE-1.
	I'm dependent on C-5.
	Two satellites, and if either one of them encounters something in space at any moment that shouldn't be there, there's enough kinetic energy to turn either one of those into space dust.
	You follow me?
	East of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hi.
	Burlington, Vermont, calling Art.
	Hi!
	I don't know if you've discussed this or not, I haven't been listening all that much, but the Comair flight into Detroit, did you hear one of the explanations?
	Well, what I heard was that they believed the right engine became uncontrollable, and all of the controls in the aircraft were in the off position, trying to get that engine turned off.
	That's all they know that I had heard.
	Yeah, I heard, you know, not that detailed, but they said when it leveled off to 4,000 feet on approach, an event took place.
	Yeah.
	With no further explanation.
	That's right.
	And all they found was every control that would have turned that right engine off to be in the off position, in other words, the pilot, in, I think he had 38 seconds, tried desperately to get that engine turned off.
	Couldn't do it.
	So, an event?
	We'll find out.
	Or not.
	Thanks, Art.
	You're welcome, sir.
	Take care.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi, Art.
	Hi.
	Yeah, hi.
	This is Sid from Santa Rosa.
	Hello, Sid.
	And I just managed to turn my radio off.
	I wanted to call and talk to you about a couple things.
	First, I wanted to talk to you about time travel.
	Sure.
	And the thing that I found unusual, and it's not that he wasn't well spoken or that he didn't seem sincere in his beliefs, Maybe I'm going out on a limb in saying you find it a fascinating interview, but I think in your heart of hearts, you probably would have to see a little bit more proof before you go along with the program.
	Oh, look, wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	I didn't say that I embraced it, believed it.
	Uh-huh.
	I never said that.
	Well, yeah, no, I understand that.
	I said it was a fun, fascinating interview.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I thought so, too.
	You see, there's a big difference.
	Now, would I like to have one of those machines and give it a shot?
	You betcha!
	Yeah, well, just from a standpoint, when he talked about the woman who burned up, that probably would have caused him a little bit of trouble, and I doubt that he had a good product liability policy, if you understand what I'm saying.
	I do!
	I mean, I brought up the well-approval thing myself.
	Look, what I try to do is, I try to interview people on subjects that other people won't touch.
	And I'm going to keep doing it.
	Oh no, and I agree.
	And I enjoy it as much as anybody.
	Wait a minute.
	People should be very, very careful.
	I think that because I do interviews in which I don't rip people apart, that's not my business.
	You know, I let the audience decide about that.
	And because I don't rip people apart, which, by the way, means that a lot of people won't come on, they interpret that as agreement with uh... or belief in whatever topic i happen to be talking
	about not you know me i'll talk about anything out of the sun
	that's just not true i do an interview and try to help the person on
	interviewing do the best job they can do
	well yeah i i i i i think that that a lot of your listeners can't get really
	can really pick up the atmosphere within the uh... which interview is being
	held and and can get a sense for how you feel about it
	And you don't have to go at the person and question them and belittle them.
	And I'm not saying you do anything like that at all.
	No, the audience can make their own judgment.
	Sure.
	I wanted to ask you one other thing.
	And that is, do you have a subscription to Skeptical Inquirer?
	You know, I think I might.
	You know why?
	Because Skeptical Inquirer called me and interviewed me And I'm going to be in that magazine.
	Well, that's neat, because what I was going to say was that you didn't.
	And let me tell you, since you brought it up, that's the exact topic that we talked about.
	The Skeptical Enquirer came to me and basically said, why don't you go after these people?
	Why don't you rip them up?
	Why don't you make them demand proof?
	Do this, do that.
	You know what I would really enjoy is to see you get somebody from Skeptical Inquirer on your show.
	know what to say. I said, look, I let these people tell their story. And so I don't know
	how the article will come out. They'll probably come after me. I don't care.
	You know what I would really enjoy is to see you get somebody from Skeptical Inquirer on
	your show.
	Would love to.
	And the thing I was going to say is if you didn't have a subscription, I would like to
	give you one as a gift because as much as I enjoy your show, this is the pendulum swinging
	completely to the other side, and I think you'd get a real kick out of the magazine.
	Oh, look, I'd love to do it.
	I'd love to have somebody like that on.
	No question about it.
	Okay, thank you much, Art.
	All right, take care.
	But look, there are different categories of guests, folks.
	When you interview somebody like my guest tonight, who is not a pro, As I said, he's not on a lecture circuit.
	He's not a professional speaker.
	A lot of times, that's the only difference between the way a lot of people in the audience will regard somebody, since they're used to listening to the slick media, between the way they'll regard them as credible or a fruitcake nutcase type, is the presentation, the articulation of the guest.
	Well, you know what?
	A lot of people who have invented things that have been as real as a heart attack and have changed the world have not been particularly articulate in the spoken language.
	Do you understand that?
	And just because somebody does not come across as a polished speaker doesn't mean that they might not be their own sort of a quiet, a brilliance Have their own sort of quiet brilliance, and you just can't necessarily figure that out based on whether or not somebody is a very polished speaker.
	And if you want to know the truth, a lot of times I enjoy interviewing the very common type people, like this man, or like that man, or like I could name many others that I've interviewed in that category, and I will continue to do so.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	Mike from Nashville.
	Hi.
	Art, you been following this on the cocaine tobacco mummies?
	Cocaine tobacco mummies?
	Yes, sir.
	They had an interesting article on Discovery Channel last night about it.
	This woman scientist, and I don't recall her name, and she's a forensic scientist, and she's also into archaeology, and she had discovered that some of the mummies that she's uncovered have got their bodies full of cocaine
	and tobacco.
	Really?
	These products were not known in the whole world.
	They come from the Americas.
	How in the world did that...
	Of course the scientific community and the archeological field and all that did not accept
	She did more extensive tests.
	She used one forensic test.
	Look, usually when a scientist comes out with a finding like that, that disputes what, you know, a lot of regular science says, they get their careers ruined.
	Well, she published a paper on it and then that's when everybody come in on her.
	Jumped on her, yeah.
	And so she went and did one extra test on it where they take the hair, a hair, the hair follicle.
	And they do a certain test.
	They wash it with alcohol and everything.
	They analyze the alcohol solution.
	And if there's no cocaine in that alcohol solution and they find it in the hair follicle itself, then the substance had to be there at the time of death or before death.
	And what this does to the Egyptian culture and everything is it proves that Egypt might not have been the center of civilization as they all believe and everything founded on in that country.
	And in further research with some other collaborators on this, they found pineapples on the carvings in China and certain places, which they came from the Americas, and other things that came from the Western world.
	And these things go back like 5,000 years.
	Now, what I thought was interesting about this, there are a lot of things that are coming to the surface now, and it involves Hale-Bopp, what's going on in Egypt over there, and in Jerusalem and everything.
	And this could only lead to one thing, that they were either trade routes established back way before Columbus' time, between this part of the world and the old world.
	And, you know, the step pyramids that are in South America now, they might have been learned by the Egyptians from there, or vice versa.
	And there's some interconnectedness there, and I just wondered if maybe this might not be some of the things that Ed Daines is going to disclose when he's down in the South Pacific.
	Well, now that is speculation, sir.
	That's speculation, but it would sure be a good thing to focus on.
	We're going to find out on the 30th.
	I've got to be honest with you.
	I'm dying to know what he's going to say, too.
	Thank you very much.
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	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, um, do you have the zip code on that Nebraska, uh, Clearwater, Nebraska?
	Oh, you would ask me for that right now when I got paper all over my room?
	Yeah, well, you could take your time.
	I could?
	Yeah, I'll just hang up the phone if you find it.
	Was there a price on that catalog?
	Uh, I think he said a buck or something.
	Yeah, okay, well, uh, I'll just hang up my phone, listen to the radio, and when you get the number... Where are you?
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	Alright, well, I'll see what I can do.
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	Alright, thank you.
	I had it, uh, but, you know, I got about a million faxes.
	That's another thing.
	You should see the faxes.
	And I have faxes all over my room.
	Oh well, I'll see what I can do.
	Uh, wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, hi.
	I'm Derek in New Mexico.
	Okay, extinguish thy radio, please.
	That's good.
	A couple of months before the show, we talked about me sending you some audio tapes featuring Michael Wolfe and Chuck Harbaugh.
	Did you get these sent and registered and certified?
	Uh, yeah, I think so.
	Michael Wolff.
	Yeah, he's a fascinating guy.
	He's a hard sexual guy, like Bob Lazar.
	He's not a charming kind of person.
	Yeah.
	And he worked for the government.
	He was in Area 51, Area S4.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Did you listen to the tape?
	Yes, I did.
	Okay, well, he was so popular that Chuck Harbaugh showed it.
	Well, if you have a contact number for this fellow, that would be of more use to me.
	Well, yeah, I don't, but don't you have access to Chuck Harder?
	also uh... i can't tell you what the record show well are if you have a contact with the number for this
	hello that that would be more used to quote
	yeah i don't but uh... thank you uh... uh... extra truck carter now the words
	uh...
	well you're sure i have a little bit of a truck carter truck carter beautiful
	well i suppose i could call the chucks are up and ask for the number
	yeah but i think you've got to go to work or to degree All right, well, you know me.
	I'll, uh... Hey, I'll interview anybody who's interesting, one way or the other.
	Anybody.
	I mean, why limit our universe, huh?
	It's strange out there, and strange is fun, and that's me.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CBC Network.
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	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	We are the ones.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Great to be here.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Anybody else out there want to talk about time travel?
	Where would you go?
	What would you do?
	When those diodes began to expand your soul and the zero vector kicked in, When the magnet was square over your belly and you began to vaporize into a different year, where would you go and what would you do?
	You know?
	That requires a little bit of thought.
	You getting sick of the O.J.
	Simpson business?
	Me too.
	Boy, man, that's back in the news again, big time.
	Third story.
	Every day, O.J.
	Simpson.
	I'm sick of looking at his shoes.
	I don't even know anymore if I care whether they were his shoes or not.
	Fake photograph, real photograph.
	The whole thing.
	And I was one of those riveted to the O.J.
	Simpson truck.
	But I'm really sick of it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, let me kill my radio on.
	Kill your radio.
	Yeah, I'm out driving on a cell phone so I hope I can hang on.
	Um, I've been trying to get a hold of you, and you and Ramona got into the Longwoods That's a long time ago now.
	long time ago now. Yeah I know, often on it and I try when I drive but some food for
	facts on that or just to contemplate about if you think about the description
	that Wormwood, they talk about Wormwood and then you take that over and did you
	know that the word Paradis Noble translated as Wormwood?
	Yes I did. I think that is fascinating.
	Another thing that I wanted to comment on... Did you know that the sarcophagus surrounding Chernobyl is cracking and breaking and crumbling?
	And did you know that there are some who think there could be an explosion?
	I think there's a lot of things we don't know that is going to be taking place in this next coming year.
	You got it, this is going to be a happening year.
	One other thing, real quick.
	And her reptilian lovers and stuff?
	Yep.
	Well, there's a couple of things that I find interesting, and one of those is, as I was listening to you, and I've been listening to some tapes from this guy called Chuck Nisler, who goes into, he's a Bible scholar, but he goes along with a lot of the stuff like which Hoagland and others talk about, and a lot of the old Hebrew text that's never been translated quite correctly in English language, but Um, I would listen to that and some tapes that he had on Mars and the Nephilim and think about this and go back to the encounter that Pam had with the reptilian, but remember the movie Rosemary's Baby?
	Oh, yeah.
	I believe that was a prophetic movie about the birth of the Antichrist.
	Didn't you take the timetable when that was in?
	Well, I mean, they didn't call Rosemary's Lizard.
	I don't know.
	But think about it.
	Well, listen, I gotta go.
	Thank you.
	Pamela called me about a week ago, and she's had another encounter, which she described as satisfying, but non-sexual.
	I didn't press for details, but that's what she said.
	West of the Rockies.
	Make that the wildcard line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Well, pretty good.
	I'm in Portland, Oregon.
	All right.
	And one thing I just thought about the other day when I thought about you is that we had Hal's birthday yesterday.
	Hal 2000.
	Yes, that's right.
	And that was kind of interesting.
	I knew that.
	That's right.
	Hal's birthday.
	Was yesterday, and unfortunately I was not on the air, so I very belated happy birthday to Hal.
	Well, you know, they're just one step ahead of IBM anyway.
	On a different note, so I had heard of this veterinary doctor.
	Yes.
	That he's been studying to be, he studied actually and became a human doctor, if you will.
	Yeah.
	And he's got some interesting things to say about how the medical profession tries to hold back the nutrition game so that we can take expensive treatments instead of just having nutrition.
	Yes.
	Heaven forbid.
	Nutrition should keep people healthy and doctors' offices.
	What would they do?
	Well, he said they should, you know, Use the same kind of stuff we use on veterinary science to cure people, because if they had to do the same thing for the animals, we'd never have any food.
	I see.
	All right, well, thank you.
	I've been told there are a lot of people who use veterinary medicine for human condition.
	I'm not sure it's a really good idea.
	I mean, the dosage, for example, for an elephant would have to be carefully computed for a human.
	And if you didn't do that, why?
	No.
	Use your own imagination on that one.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, I think we just missed him.
	So sorry.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Terri from Washington.
	How you doing?
	Oh, okay.
	Along the lines of the movie The Langoliers... Yes.
	Um, if you applied that to what Steve was talking about... That was such a great movie.
	I loved The Langoliers.
	I watched it twice.
	I know, but it wouldn't work for time travel.
	Because everything would get gobbled up in the past, so you wouldn't be able to go back there, and there would be nothing in the future yet.
	Well, I wasn't suggesting the same thing that Steven was talking about.
	I just thought the movie as a movie, particularly before The Langoliers showed up, you know, the munching on things, It was so suspenseful, and I had no idea where it was going.
	It was really good.
	Oh, I know.
	I recorded the movie.
	Oh, so did I. It was great.
	But the other thing, though, too, is that when, um, who was the guy who was talking about the rods?
	I'm sorry.
	His name won't come to me.
	Um, uh, Jose Escamilla.
	Anyways, when that show was on, you know, when you interviewed him, the first thing that I thought of was the movie The Langoliers.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Because the way you described the ride, that was the first thing that popped into my mind.
	See, that too, I thought was a cool show.
	I mean, everybody, you know, what I do, I bring things that are so different here that when people hear them, they say, you're crazy.
	But then later, these turn out to be classic shows, the most requested.
	Oh, I know.
	It's the damnedest thing, the audience reaction sometimes.
	But then he was also talking about his little handheld model that he was going to make.
	I thought that was pretty cool.
	Yeah, but that was untested.
	What brings to mind on that is, have you seen the show Sliders?
	Uh, no.
	Oh, well, you got to check that out because these guys have this like handheld thing that they push a button and it slides them into a different dimension.
	But I, you know, Things that you were talking about.
	I'm going, God, I've seen all that stuff on TV.
	There you are.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Dan Dale would be neat.
	Being able to go... You know, I did ask him the question.
	I mean, why not?
	You know, if you're in trouble in time, then why not just, you know, a few months into the future, a look at a few stocks, a couple of quick trades.
	Boom.
	Good times.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Hi, Art.
	Yes, that's me.
	All right.
	Boy, I got you so quick.
	I just turned my radio down.
	Well, if you're disappointed, sir, I'd be glad to put you on hold and take a couple other calls.
	I'm ready.
	I'm in Southern California.
	Go ahead.
	First of all, I'd like to talk a little bit about, you know, area.
	Have you read the book that was put out by Ben Rich called Skunk Works?
	Yes, I have.
	I worked in the Skunk Works for a while.
	I was supposed to go out to Area 51, but I didn't go.
	They sent somebody else.
	Tell us all your secrets.
	What did you do at the Skunk Works?
	Airplanes, they built them.
	What kind of airplanes?
	The stealth fighters.
	Stealth fighters?
	And what exactly did you do for the stealth?
	Well, I can't tell you that.
	Come on, sir, violate something for us here on the air.
	No, I... Just to say I was part of the assembly team.
	The assembly team, all right.
	And that's about 5,000 people, so... And what I was going to say, you know, the thing that gets me about these You could violate?
	They don't?
	on one week I could probably share some things with you sometime.
	You could violate?
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, since Ben wrote that book, you know, there's a lot of stuff in there.
	So, they never tell you how much you can talk about.
	They don't?
	You mean you don't have to sign an agreement?
	Oh, I do, but once it's declassified, I mean, you know, there's...
	You know, so, it's, uh, you know, they'll never find me anyway, hopefully, unless somebody's
	tapping my line.
	So, uh, you put part S-47 into which assembly?
	Yeah, something like that.
	Sure, thank you.
	Ah, Area 51.
	It's real, you know.
	Very, very real.
	Area 51 is, uh, just down over the hill here.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	I have a question for you with respect to time travel.
	All right.
	I called you last week.
	You called me about the blind guy from Portland.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Crushed my face in a motorcycle wreck.
	Yes, sir, I recall.
	Now, supposing I could go back in time and perhaps could have somehow prevented the guy from turning in front of me.
	What would happen to the blind David now?
	Well, according to Stephen Gibbs, the blind David would not be blind.
	He would not be blind?
	Not according to Stephen.
	Wow.
	Now, would I come back?
	I mean, also, when I went back in time, would I be blind?
	Well, that's... I mean, you go as you are.
	You know, that's one I can't answer.
	I'm sorry I don't have Steven here to answer that.
	Josh, is there a way that maybe I could give you my number off there?
	And I didn't get... I'm the only one here.
	There's no way I can, you know, unless you catch me before or after the program.
	Okay.
	So I can't answer that.
	Because I'd like to get a catalog.
	I understand.
	Okay.
	Worth a shot.
	Well, I guess that's the way to go is to get us catalogued.
	I've been rummaging here looking for the papers.
	I've got about a million papers all over the place.
	I can't find them.
	I didn't hear him say anything on your talk show tonight.
	Alright, well I'll see what I can do.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I did.
	I looked through so much stuff here and I know it's here.
	I'm just not sure where.
	The other very, very interesting thing was that his device begins with the 7.8 Hertz frequency, which is, as a matter of fact, a frequency that is thought to be the frequency in which the brain operates.
	Substitute word soul, whatever you want, the brain, the soul, the id, the whatever it is that we are, the energy we are, resonates at that frequency.
	That's where he begins.
	He was very interesting.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, I had a great interview tonight.
	This is Dan from your district.
	Hi, Dan.
	I thought it was fun.
	Oh, golly.
	You know, I'm going to get that catalog.
	I mean, even if it doesn't work, he was still a great guy to listen to.
	I know.
	How often do you get a time machine catalog?
	Whether or not you get the machine, how many time machine catalogs?
	I mean, I get a lot of catalogs at my house, right?
	Computer companies.
	Yeah.
	My wife gets Victoria's Secret.
	And we've got a bunch of other catalogs come to the house.
	But, I've never had a Time Machine catalog come to the house.
	Never.
	Well, maybe Sea Crane can start carrying it if it's a good number.
	Now tell me, would that be something to have on your coffee table or what?
	Hey man, I'm telling ya.
	You know?
	The Gibbs Time Machine catalog.
	See, I've got something to share with you.
	Go.
	Besides hoping that you get this guy back on again, which I'm sure you will, so we can keep up with him.
	And also, Stan Day, I'd love to hear him again.
	Stan's coming to Nevada.
	Oh, good.
	And also, I got that information packet from Mark McCandlish, and it's super.
	Oh, I know.
	And, boy, if you could get him on again, that'd be great, because he's got a lot of stuff left to tell you that he didn't have time for.
	I'll get Mark back on.
	Yeah.
	All right, my friend.
	Yeah, I'll get Mark McCandlish back on, sure.
	You betcha.
	He is a riveting guest as well.
	7.8 Hertz.
	By the way, I want to thank all the hands out there.
	There are a number of shortwave frequencies right now that have signals on them that are completely wrong.
	And when I say wrong, I mean they're signals at strengths with types of modulation that I've never heard.
	And that includes a lot of other hands.
	And I'm going to try to get those frequencies for you.
	There's some odd things going on out there right now, and I'm not necessarily saying... I want to be very careful what I'm saying here.
	I'm not saying that these are ET signals or anything.
	I'm just saying there are a lot of medium-wave 5 to 9 MHz signals that are not easily explained, okay?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Michael from Kansas City.
	Yes.
	I was calling in regard to the gentleman from, what was it, Portland?
	The one who wanted to go back and get his eyesight back?
	Yes.
	The answer would be, if he was to go back, he would do whatever it was he would do that was necessary to prevent the accident from happening.
	Yeah, but how would he do it?
	His question was, when he was there, would he have sight?
	When he was there, no.
	Well, then how would he be able to negotiate his way around to prevent the accident?
	Well, then he would need help.
	But once he did prevent it, then it would be regained.
	Okay, well his real question was whether he would have sight immediately upon arriving.
	No, it has to be... And I couldn't answer that.
	It has to be fixed first.
	Then he'd get it.
	How can you know that?
	Oh, just... Oh, mathematical probabilities, theories, reading books for a lifetime.
	I got a degree in physics, and simple dynamics has always been a hobby of mine.
	Really?
	Well, my personal theory, anyway.
	What did you think of Stephen Gibbs?
	God, I'd want one of those!
	I really would.
	I appreciate the call, thank you.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hey Art, this is Curtis from San Diego.
	Hello, Curtis.
	How are you doing?
	Very well.
	Well, I faxed you about that man you had on, and I've heard you.
	It's not that I don't think I got what he was saying or that I've heard a lot of your guests before and some know how to speak well and some don't.
	I just didn't agree with him at all.
	I just had a hunch about him that he's just not telling the truth.
	I think he's making it up.
	Maybe he was.
	Right.
	So we all have that.
	We could all do that if we want.
	I had a...
	Let me hear you do it.
	Well, I, uh...
	I'm a time traveler, Art.
	art.
	Where are you from?
	I can't do it.
	I can't lie very good.
	See?
	You can't do it.
	You can't do it, so... Alright.
	Fine, sir.
	I rest my case.
	I was going to ask you about... I have a hunch about something about the Roswell.
	I mean, you said I could do that, so I said go ahead.
	Anyway, what do you want to ask about Roswell?
	Okay, Roswell.
	The UFO was crashed, and the government took it.
	And that's been like 40, 50 years ago now, and what I believe... There's a new book coming out.
	Yeah, I heard about that.
	It's called The Day After Roswell.
	It's supposed to blow the lid off the whole thing.
	Well, if the government, the federal government, as much money as we put into it, has had it for 50 years, just that UFO amongst others all over the world, they've got to have figured out how it flies, what it's made of.
	And I think why they're keeping it from the public is because if we knew the simple formula of making a UFO, I know that.
	Everybody would have one.
	I know that formula, sir.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We would all have one, but that would be too much power for us to have.
	I know that formula.
	I could tell you that formula.
	Could you?
	Yep.
	What's in it?
	I'd have to kill you.
	Do you understand what I'm saying, though?
	I do, sir, but I think I've proved my point.
	Well, I'll be right back.
	This is the American CBC Radio Network.
	Stay buttoned.
	I'd like to meet the idiot who invented child-proof lighters.
	You know him?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	How are you doing, Art?
	I'm doing very well, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Fresno.
	All right.
	Been listening to you for three days now.
	I have one more intrigue.
	I like what you do.
	You've been listening for three days?
	Three or four days now, yeah.
	Wow, that's not long.
	No, not at all.
	I like what you do.
	I just want to talk about, like, the weather changes.
	Alright.
	I feel it's more than just weather.
	It's so much polar.
	It's what?
	It's just the whole polar system.
	Everything is changing.
	Changing?
	Yes.
	Uh, it may be that, um, you know the expanding universe theory, right?
	Yes, I've heard of that a little bit.
	Well, it may be like the Roadrunner.
	You know, you've seen Roadrunner cartoons where they're on an elastic band, they just go way out there, and then they sort of pause for a second, and they start coming back.
	Maybe we're just slightly past the pause.
	We're on our way back and everything is reversing.
	And everything's going backwards?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I don't understand that.
	I think that it's more like things get closer and closer to the sun and we just move to another planet.
	What are we doing?
	We're trying to go to Mars.
	Yep.
	Well, if we keep up the way we're going, Mars' atmosphere is going to look hospitable.
	Well, I appreciate your thoughts, or it could well be, or my contracting universe theory could be correct as well.
	Or none of it could be true, and it could be all millennium madness.
	But I rather doubt that now than I rather embrace the fact that something real is going on.
	But that's just me.
	East of the Rock, and a lot of other people.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Morning.
	I've been staving up two subjects for a while.
	First, uh, Mr. Marpin and his machine.
	Uh, remember when he was talking about the part where he had one little machine where he threw the screw through it and it disappeared?
	I do, yeah.
	And it reappeared?
	Well, for me, that meant that the screw went into time, and then when it reappeared was when our time caught up to where it was in time.
	That could have been.
	Uh, he's afraid to go through this thing.
	Well, we were messing with some, uh, fiber-optic bundles that were, gee, a good half-inch square, and, uh, three or four foot long we had picked up at a show, but we could actually get optical pictures through this thing.
	Why don't you think about some kind of a fiber-optic bundle to poke through there with video equipment on this end to see where it went?
	Well, uh, it's an idea, but... This was David's idea.
	Now, hold tight for a minute.
	It was his view that the gigantic electrical magnetic field that would be created, people said things like, get a long stick and put a video recorder and stick it through.
	Well, that would be metal.
	Well, a fiber optic line, though, would be disrupted by the same field.
	You figure?
	Yeah.
	But, I mean, it's as good a suggestion as any.
	Now, the second thing there, Whitley Strieber, when he was on the Greenlander a week or so ago...
	One of the things he said was one of the viewers said that Hail Mary broke away from Hail Bop and that's all he said.
	Well about three or four weeks ago I had like a little premonition of this.
	I think I sent you a fax.
	I thought this thing was going to break away and go in Earth orbit around the Sun in our orbit only be 180 degrees from us so we'd never see it on the other side of the Sun.
	Anything is possible.
	It may be possible that in another dimension right now they're watching X-Files and all the rest of this sort of stuff being delivered by, guess what?
	Telstar 401.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Art.
	I'm calling from Joshua Tree, California.
	Yes, sir.
	And I have a suggestion.
	Why not make the same offer to Steven Gibbons that you made to Mad Markham, that if he's willing to demonstrate his technology to see whether or not it works, that you'll film it?
	I don't need to.
	All I'd need to do if I really wanted to do it would be to send away a catalog or get one of the machines and give it a shot.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Right?
	Right.
	It's a little different with Madman because he's got a gigantic machine in a warehouse.
	There'd be no other way other than to, you know, fly out there and film the thing.
	But I just thought maybe before buying it that you'd want to see whether it works or not.
	Well, if I was just suddenly Gone one day?
	I mean, gone?
	Mm-hmm.
	Disappeared?
	Poof!
	What would you guys think?
	Well, that it works.
	So, either way, you can either buy the machine and try it yourself or have them demonstrate it and then... Frankly, I don't think anybody's really gonna much get by one anyway.
	He said he had three in stock.
	I asked him how long it took.
	It took quite a while to make one.
	So, based on the number of listeners, He can make one a day if he works real hard at it, because it takes him 9 to 12 hours to make one.
	That's what he said.
	He'll make one every day.
	Yeah, but he's got three in stock, sir.
	Yeah, so he'll probably get 5,000 orders.
	Like a book!
	Anyway, I thought he was quite an interesting guest.
	Yeah, so did I. Thank you very much for the call.
	You bet.
	Take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	Do you know what Steve Gibbs' interview does to somebody that has always listened to anything to do with time travel, watched any time travel movies, has always been fascinated with it?
	What does it do?
	It makes me want to go get $360 and jump in the car and drive to Nebraska tomorrow!
	Fascinating, absolutely fascinating, riveting, and I thought the man sounded so genuine.
	He was not I know, that's what I tell everybody.
	And there are so many people out there, I think they're, you know what they are?
	They're little media dupes.
	And if they don't hear somebody who sounds polished, like a real downtown speaker, you know, with a real spiel, then they don't believe a word they hear.
	And that tells you how, I guess they've become just too media savvy.
	If it doesn't sound like it would wash on Meat Press on Sunday, why it's just not believable.
	If it's a regular person, it can't be believable.
	I've got a friend, Kevin, from Bailey, Colorado, and as soon as he gets back to town, I know he's listening, he needs to call me so we can get together and talk about this thing and possibly go get a machine.
	We're not that far from where he lives here in Denver, so.
	I'm just fascinated.
	I don't want my audience to begin disappearing in droves.
	And by the way, if you are going to travel, folks, at least make it in the last 13 years.
	You know, you can join the show a few years ago.
	It was an excellent show.
	Thank you very much.
	I really do enjoy the whole subject, and always have, of time travel.
	And I do believe, whether it's Stephen Gibbs, Mad Men, or somebody like him, or somebody else out there that I've not yet spoken with nor interviewed, That one day it will be possible.
	If it's not this day, then one day.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	Hey, sir.
	This is Fred in Northern Idaho up in the Panhandle.
	Yes, sir.
	How are you tonight?
	I am fine.
	Man, are you hard to get a hold of.
	I've heard that so many times from so many people.
	I've been keeping a list.
	I've been listening to you for about a month.
	A good friend of mine told me about you and I've got four things if I might.
	Number one is the movie Independence Day.
	Have you ever looked at the publicity that was put out on that?
	Sure.
	When it started back last year about this time?
	Sure.
	Have you ever looked at the theme of the movie?
	What it's all about?
	Uh, yes, I've got a copy of the script.
	Yeah.
	I've got the movie, I've got a copy of the script, sure.
	Yeah.
	Why do you ask?
	Well, um, the theme is the one world government, is it not?
	In the end.
	Well... That's just a thought.
	Yeah, it is.
	Well, no, it really isn't.
	It's a one world cause, but if you watch and listen very carefully, Um, Washington instructed the other nations on how to destroy the craft.
	Right.
	Uh, there was no one world, uh, formation of, uh, there was a one world effort, not a one world government.
	Right.
	That's the way I remember it, anyway.
	Yeah, but at the end, what happened?
	Uh, at the end, uh... Oh, well, I just, it just freaked me out.
	I scratched my head.
	I thought about that, and I watched it again, and I watched it again.
	Of course, I had to buy a copy of it, right?
	I thought the end was dumb.
	I didn't like the end.
	I didn't like the end either.
	I thought that the aliens... I liked the look on the alien's face when that rocket was flying.
	I thought the aliens... I thought the aliens should have won.
	You think so?
	Yeah.
	I mean, like Green Day.
	Yeah, they were pretty advanced, huh?
	The aliens should have kicked our butts, and we should have lost.
	Then it would have been...
	The one cool thing about that movie... I know this doesn't... You may not hear this said elsewhere, but the aliens didn't want to make a deal.
	They didn't want any of our stuff.
	They didn't want to use us or eat us.
	They just wanted us to die.
	That's right.
	That part of it was great.
	It was after that when things started falling apart.
	You know, when the President went to Area 51 and all the rest of that baloney.
	I could have done without that.
	I think the human race could have put up a valiant fight, done the best we could, but we got obliterated.
	Maybe a few of us might have made it to Mars or something.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, so that there could have been a thread of the beginning of the human race again or something.
	But, you know, it would have been a more realistic movie.
	Excuse me.
	That's right.
	I've got the creeping crud.
	I've been fighting it for... I'm fighting it too.
	Yeah.
	That's my other topic.
	How in the heck do the places that make the vaccines No.
	What's coming and when?
	Very, very... Where do they get the stuff from?
	It's a very dark thought.
	Yeah.
	Very dark thought.
	I've been thinking that for about five years.
	Where do they get it?
	How do they know when it's coming?
	And when?
	I don't want to answer that.
	And I get my thoughts right here and I always get that.
	I have my own suspicions.
	Yeah.
	Nice for the call.
	Yeah.
	Some guy in a dark overcoat.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Have you ever heard of Jenny Randles?
	to turn your radio... oh boy I have to fight to get through you know.
	West of the Rockies you're on the air. First time caller on line you're on the air.
	Hi I'm one of... have you ever heard of uh Jenny Randles?
	Jenny Randles? Yeah.
	She's an English paranormal studier.
	She's written a book called Time Travel.
	Really?
	She's pretty well known in England.
	She states that all of the alien encounters that we have, supposedly have, are really travelers from our own future.
	Well, that's certainly possible, isn't it?
	They're back here to warn us that we're messing up.
	We're messing with the planet right now and all of this stuff.
	It's kind of interesting that she takes all the supposed evidence for aliens now and says that it's really being misunderstood by people.
	But that really kind of troubles from our own future and all of this.
	For instance, the little guys I will look for it, my friend.
	Thank you.
	You know, human evolution, people get smarter and smarter so their heads get bigger and
	bigger.
	Yet people, as they are doing now, exercise less.
	They get weaker and weaker.
	Their body kind of shrivels.
	Their heads get real big.
	Anyway, just an interesting thought.
	You might check out a book called Time Travel by her.
	I will look for it, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	I have always been fascinated with the concept of time travel.
	In fact, fascinated with the concept of time, period.
	Absolutely fascinated with the concept of time.
	I'm not sure that any of us properly understand it.
	I think that it is our invention.
	And if you embrace that concept, that time, you know, may be our invention, then you've got to allow that travel Within this thing that we don't understand is entirely possible, perhaps in a way we don't understand.
	Think about that.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is BJ out in West Covina.
	Good evening.
	Hi.
	I was listening to Stephen Gibbs earlier.
	Yes, sir.
	And I wanted to mention that his radio-like device sounds very much like an evolution of the Dealer War camera, which was invented back in the 50s.
	And they used it in England to make time photographs.
	This is a documented fact.
	It was written in a book called The Black Box by Stephen Turner.
	And as far as the frequency goes, 7.8 cycles per second.
	That's just right in the mid-range of the alpha area.
	And a lot of the yogis, I understand, go beyond that into theta to force cycles, and that's how they get some of their effects.
	I just wanted to know that from what I heard him say, it sounds very much like he might have a device that actually works.
	He might!
	Because I have seen models of the Hieronymus machine, the original, and models of the Delaware camera, and I've seen the Delaware camera in action.
	It's a fascinating machine.
	I keep trying to tell people, just because a guest is a certain way, which makes it easy, you know, somebody talks on a topic like this, no matter how they present it, It's easy to take off, Adam.
	Yes, it is.
	But you've got to be really careful.
	It would seem that the devices would actually work, and the guys that make them, these garage gadgeteers, as sometimes they're called, are the ones that are getting hit the most because they sound so far off, but yet they're the ones that always come up with the inventions.
	I know.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	That's, of course, exactly right.
	Sony, you know, began in a garage.
	Did you know that?
	The Sony Corporation began in a garage.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, this is Steve at Gambling City, right over the hill.
	How you doing?
	All right.
	KXNT.
	That's right.
	It is new call letters and a new radio station with, I might add now, Rush Limbaugh.
	Yep.
	He finally got on.
	That's right.
	Hey, I got some information for you.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Those weight-tossing gyros.
	Yes, oh yes!
	Yeah, these things, all they do is they shoot weight up about 40 cycles per second.
	40, huh?
	40 cycles upwards at an angle.
	And what it does is the weights hit the top and then they cancel out all their G after that.
	But they cancel it out at the top of the oval rotation on the track.
	Interesting.
	So it kind of shoots it up like CO2 and like a motorcycle engine.
	Huh.
	That's really interesting.
	I'm gonna think about that one.
	Yeah, and, uh, you know, if you ever want any information, just say it over the radio and I'll give you a buzz.
	Alright, my friend.
	Take care.
	Thank you.
	Uh, thank you very much.
	KXNT.
	Las Vegas.
	Used to be KVG.
	New radio station.
	New call letters.
	New owners.
	Uh, they acquired Rush Limbaugh.
	That tells you where they're going.
	Um... A lot of changes going on.
	KXNT.
	Well, I guess I don't need to tell you, in this time slot, of course, we're number one in Las Vegas.
	Way out number one.
	But in the rest of the time slots, they're beginning to make changes now, KXNT, and they are going to eat Las Vegas alive.
	Absolutely going to eat Las Vegas alive.
	There are people there who understand talk radio at KXNT.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air high.
	All right, Mark and Metairie, how are you doing?
	Metairie, Louisiana.
	Yes, sir.
	I have something to post to the listeners out there concerning time travel, the possibility of going back in the past, and creating a paradox by changing something like, let's say, taking a life.
	Well, you did hear what my guest had to say about that, right?
	Oh, yes, sir, I did.
	That actually answered the paradox, and I've always been unable to get past that.
	Okay, let me pose this.
	In our everyday, present life, there are events that take place all the time, particularly the taking of life prematurely.
	Every day you hear of a person 18 years old, 6 years old, 12 years old, 40 years old, whatever that was murdered.
	Sure, some Russian diplomat.
	Well, murdered by a gun or by anything, you know.
	Their life was shortened.
	When that happens, in a sense, you change their future.
	Because if they would have been murdered, no telling what that future would have been.
	So why are paradoxes created when that happens?
	Well, maybe because, sir, there are only paradoxes if the change was orchestrated from the future.
	Do you follow me?
	Because that... There is no paradox.
	It's just pure chance in the current timeline.
	Because if that was so, then the present would... I mean, the future would have to be etched in stone.
	That's true.
	And since it's not, Then what will be the difference if a life is shortened by somebody in the timeline that they're in, or any other timeline?
	Alright, I think it's because it's just random chance.
	If it's in the current timeline.
	The only paradox problem occurs when you... would be when you change something from the future.
	And I've never had a good answer to that until Mr. Gibbs came along.
	Accepted or not, it was an answer to the paradox.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good evening Art, this is Ellen in St.
	Louis.
	In response to the man from Oregon, the blind man, I went to a lecture of Kenneth Ring, who was the near-death experience researcher, and he said a most intriguing thing.
	Very quickly, the show is ending.
	People who have MDEs, when they leave their body, they see.
	Even blind people.
	But when they come back, they're blind again.
	Alright, having said that, there's only now time for you to say... Good night, America.
	That's how it's done, alright?
	Canada and the world.
	Good night, all.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is the American CBC Radio Network.

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