Joyce Riley, a Gulf War veteran nurse, exposes the VA’s suppression of Gulf War Syndrome, citing Senator Regal’s 1994 hearing where 1,000+ troops reported identical physical symptoms—rashes, fatigue, tumors—linked to mycoplasma incognito, allegedly weaponized by inserting 40% of HIV into its DNA. Callers confirm chemical exposure (e.g., pink-turning suits) and backfiring Iraqi munitions, while others accuse the U.S. of using troops as guinea pigs in biological warfare tests, like Fort Detrick’s hybrid germs or U.S. Code Chapter 50 experiments. A UN complaint by Dick Sylvester’s group accuses DoD, VA, and CIA of war crimes for denying treatment, destroying records, and isolating veterans. Despite doxycycline’s 60% success rate, the VA refuses testing, leaving families—including children with birth defects—untreated, while callers report suppressed evidence and systemic cover-ups spanning decades. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning as the case may be across this great land and beyond, really.
From the Hawaiian and Tehechian Island chains, eastward to the U.S., Virgin Islands, and the Caribbean, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole.
This is Coast to Coast, A.M. I'm R. Bell.
Great to be here.
And again, this morning, we're going to take a look, along with a couple of other things, at what's going on with adult war syndrome.
One day, there's justification for all the complaints.
The next day, the government says it's all in their head.
She disagrees mightily with the federal government, which just Tuesday said there is no such specific cause of whatever it is that is being called the Gulf War illness, but stress was a major factor, they think.
Stress.
Stress that then came home and infected family members.
At any rate, from Houston, here is Joyce Riley, a nurse, a captain, and now in civilian life and probably in a lot of trouble.
That it is wrong to end your life and that you are meant to live out whatever you're going to live out, including the end.
But that's my personal view.
Now, I also have the view that my life is not the business of the state of Nevada, where I live, nor sure as hell, isn't the business of Washington, D.C. And so I have mixed feelings,
too, and I'm not sure that what you contemplated was Smith and Wesson-assisted suicide, not doctor-assisted, you know, where you could take a pill or whatever it is.
So it seems to me that the government has no business telling us what to do.
And there's a lot of messy ways to do it, you named one of them.
And then there are easier ways.
Doctors know easier ways.
Nurses know easier Ways.
There are things you can take, I guess, and just go to sleep, basically?
And I agree with you that it is not the state's responsibility to decide that.
I believe very strongly in that.
I do think, though, that having been so close to the edge and realized at one point what real pain is like, and I have even known of people that are in so much pain that have made an agreement with someone else that if I tell you I'm at that point, please come and eliminate me from my pain.
And, you know, we have to recognize that there is pain that's severe.
Now, I have to say that personally, when I got to that point, you know, my prayer was, dear God, don't let this happen.
I don't want to do it.
I don't believe in it.
And for whatever reason, that was answered.
So I believe that was my answer.
And I can't say I can ever participate in that or promote it.
I say that it is time that we recognize the fact that this is a facade that we're involved in right now, that we recognize that this is an intentional denial of treatment for our military.
That at this point, I believe only the most significant reconstruction of what is in Washington right now should take place.
And I mean that very seriously, because we have people's lives that are in the balance.
They said they're going to continue this for another nine months.
We've got men and women that can't wait nine months.
Thank you very much, has been recognized and, in fact, is going to be treated.
Another official pronouncement.
So, damn it all, which is it?
Is there something real or is it stress in their mind?
And why are we hearing one thing one day and something else the next?
And as a matter of fact, you'll like this, Joyce, or maybe you won't.
Not only Tuesday did they say that, but there is a counter study saying the mysterious Gulf War Syndrome may have been caused by exposure to low-level chemical war gas pesticides and other agents.
The study of the Navy CB combat construction units apparently shows they came home and they were sicker than others.
So within one paragraph, I've got two different views.
Well, that is what is called disinformation by the government.
That is the way in military operations that one discredits information, is that you come out with a story and then you purposely deny that story.
And I think what we are seeing is incredible evidence of military and government propaganda.
What we are seeing here is an intentional denial of the fact that these individuals are sick.
I want to read just one statement here from Senator Regal's hearing in 1993, because this is so incredible.
The hearing was held May of 1994, I'm sorry, and I cannot tell you how surprised I was this evening when I went over this.
Over the last eight months, our office has been contacted by over 1,000 Gulf War veterans directly.
In addition to veterans from the United States, we've also been contacted by sick veterans of Canada, British, and Australian Armed Forces who served in the Persian Gulf.
They suffer the same disabling syndrome.
Now, this is Senator Regal speaking to the committee hearing.
This is not a mental problem with the veterans.
It may be a mental problem over at the Defense Department, but it's not a mental problem with the veterans.
He also went on to say, the spouses and the children are sick.
We believe that there needs to be an epidemiological study done because this disease is being transferred to their families.
This is May 25th of 1994.
He goes on to say, I do not want any half-truths in this conference.
I do not want anyone lying.
He said, we will hold you to the highest standard.
At that time, the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Mr. Dorn, continues to get up or begins testifying and lies, literally lies, about all the information that has come out now and stating that it wasn't true then.
And this was 1994.
This has been going on so long.
In fact, let me tell you a little bit about what all these so-called studies mean, I think.
First of all, you had the Presidential Advisory Commission meeting saying, we can't really arrive at any conclusion, so we need some more time, more money.
Well, nobody was really shocked by this.
And the issue of stress.
That is hogwash, absolute hogwash.
I talked to a Green Beret today, a colonel or a major in the Green Beret.
This man is incredibly competent.
He called me and he said, I've done two tours in Vietnam, served in the Gulf War, and he said, if they think I have a mental problem, the fact that I've got a rash and swollen lymph gland, then they've got another thing to think about.
You know, we are putting our military on the edge.
This is the problem right now, is if these men and women are physically sick, their spouses are sick.
You didn't hear one mention about a communicable disease in anything that you heard today.
Not one.
They don't want you to hear that because that's the most serious problem that we face right now.
Then the Southwestern Medical School comes out with their so-called chicken study that Perot financed with the perethrin DEET and the pridostigmine bromide.
And they're all excited about their effects of their study showing that there were low-level doses of organophosphates.
Now, think about this.
You never hear about high-level doses of organophosphates.
When they set off 7,500 tons of ferrigas at Camasia, there had to have at least been one incident of high-level ferrin gas.
But you never hear about that.
It's always low-levels.
Now, they're excited about their study, and I'm pleased.
They said, yes, there are some effects.
Yes, we are seeing some problems.
Yes, there are neurological problems.
That's good.
But that still doesn't explain how somebody's son is getting the disease back in the United States.
There have been some incredible studies, Joyce, and I bet you know about them, in which people with various problems, medical problems, symptoms, are given placebos.
And a remarkable percentage of them either claim to feel better or claim to be cured.
They take a pill, a placebo, nothing.
It does absolutely nothing medically, and yet they are cured, which has to suggest some of it is psychological.
And with all the publicity about the Gulf War disease, some of it would be psychological.
I've not talked to those individuals because the people I am talking to don't want to be sick.
They have gone from $40,000 a year jobs down to where if they are sick and if they are able to get compensation, they may qualify for $200 a week.
Now, you and I both know that's not smart to think that somebody is going to sacrifice everything they've got just to get $800 a month when they could be working and getting $40,000.
I'm simply wondering, and I'm sure that you've wondered too, and as you talk to various vets, they will come up with symptoms, you know, chronic fatigue, that sort of thing.
It's not always got a solid medical basis, does it?
You know, we're talking about, and let's be honest, I'm talking about a confidential not-for-release study from the Veterans Administration that shows there's been a 600% increase in the tumor rates in the active duty military from 91 to 94.
Now, those people didn't think up those brain tumors.
We're talking about brain cancer now that is found at such a high percentage in the military population.
In fact, the figures show that about 4 to 6 per 100,000 would be the norm.
4 to 6 cases per 100,000 of brain cancer.
In the active duty military, men from ages 24 to 30, we are finding 30 to 40 cases of brain cancer.
Now, we're talking about real problems, but you see, this information, which was presented to the Congress, you didn't hear about in that survey.
All right, what about here's another area that you can document, birth defects of Gulf vets and their families having children versus the regular population?
Well, Nation Magazine printed a statistic stating that 67% of the affected Gulf War veterans, being the sick Gulf War veterans, are now reporting a birth defect or deformity in their children.
Now, 67% is way off the scale.
That's not even debatable as to whether that would be a possibility or plausible.
Oh, I couldn't answer, but it would certainly be under 10%.
So we're talking about something that is horrendously high.
Now, this didn't make it into the survey either.
You didn't hear anybody talking about birth defects.
Now, the pyrethrin and the DEET and the protostigmine bromide, that may be a problem, and I don't doubt it.
But you see, what we have now are conflicting studies, which is exactly what the Pentagon wants.
This is part of their whole entire plan in the presentation of this, because you have Southwestern Medical Schools saying, yes, we've got this problem.
We found out low-level organophosphate poisoning.
Then you have the University of Iowa coming forth with their study, which was in conjunction with the CDC, which I knew about at the time because the Gulf War veterans brought me their questionnaires, and I could see immediately what was going on there, and they find no problem.
So now we have all these conflicting studies, and meanwhile, who's suffering, the veterans?
I must tell you that my phone rang off the hook last night from disgusted, disgruntled, absolutely disillusioned veterans who said, I was willing to die for this country.
And they wanted me to make life and death decisions over there.
And when I come back here and tell them my lymph nodes are swollen and I have this horrible pain in my back or my whatever, they don't believe me on that.
Why would they ask me to do things that require levels of national security?
But they won't even believe me when I tell them I can't walk.
And they give them some weak excuse.
This is what I've actually heard, is that this one young man was told, we did a psychoval on you and we found out you're really a latent homosexual.
And if you would just admit it, you could walk.
Well, the wife of that man went for the doctor's jugular.
She was so mad and she said, how dare do you say that to my husband who was willing to die for this country?
Now this is where we get into the kind of most demoralizing treatment that we could ever give our military.
I've heard from SEAL teams, Navy SEAL teams, and we're talking about some guys that are upset.
First of all, they weren't told the risks and where they were going.
Secondly, they weren't told afterwards what they've been exposed to.
Thirdly, they bring Them back here, tell them their problem is really they need Prozac.
And you've got some of the finest of the finest here who are being labeled mental cases.
How we can do this in this country and how they can get away with it is the real problem.
I worked in hospitals, and I worked with Air Force doctors.
And I can imagine the hierarchy of the military, which is kind of political, and the political hierarchy denying any kind of real problem.
But for those who are active duty and going to military doctors, captains, majors, or even colonels, I don't buy that they would not recognize and treat, for example, swollen glands, those kind of obvious symptoms.
Well, I at one time thought that the military in general was covering up from the physician's standpoint, the nurse's standpoint, until I talked to a lot of them.
When they called me, they told me they had no information.
They had literally been told there was no Gulf Or illness, and there was essentially a gag order.
And I've had too many people tell me there is a gag order, essentially not an official one, obviously, but an unofficial military gag order on what can be said regarding the communicableness of this disease.
I have had this phone call from too many military physicians.
Even their spouses have called me because their physicians were afraid to call.
Many nurses have called me and told me the same thing, is that they believed so strongly for the first three or four years that there was no Gulf War illness, that they were all malingerers, and that, yeah, they've got some swollen glands, but gee, it's no big deal.
Well, it is a big deal when it's considered with regard to all the other symptoms.
But now I do believe that at this point in time, from what I'm hearing, is the physicians do know.
They know there's something wrong.
They will, under the table, tell the Gulf War veterans where to go to get doxycycline, that they're unfortunately not able to give it to them or not able to talk about it.
In fact, I think it's up around 600,000 out of the 700,000 are out now.
So what we need to look at are the VA doctors.
Now, I got a phone call from one of those today, and Dr. Leisier said that I could use her name.
And she said that she cannot believe the incorrect information that came out in the studies today.
She is appalled by that.
She has gone on record to say that this is a communicable illness.
I've received several letters from her on VA Letterhead.
And in fact, I just received one from her, and she said that you may tell people that there is one doctor in Hershey, Pennsylvania who is attempting to get the word out, but she has been threatened with firing, just as Dr. Baumschwager was fired or told he can no longer treat Gulf War veterans at the Los Angeles VA.
So any physician so far that has talked about this within the military, within the VA system, has been reprimanded.
We don't have any system of redress right now where They can be heard, and that's the sad part.
So, what you're hearing is really government study information, government information, and those people that are coming out are being chastised.
I don't think that obviously I'm going to be allowed to continue to do this unscathed because what I am saying is probably the most significant information in America today.
That the Pentagon has lied, the CIA has lied, and I feel very bound to doing what is right by my patients or right by the people that I see that are ill, and that's telling the truth.
I don't spend a lot of time on it because a lot of rumors fly and a lot of things are said.
But I do think that I have been one voice in the wilderness, and a lot of people don't even want to attack City Hall, and this is one person attacking the Pentagon.
But I cannot be quiet.
My patients, my people mean so much to me.
When I see them and I see their illnesses and I spend time with them, my heart goes out to them.
And there's no way, Art, that I could ever turn aside from this and ever step back and withdraw.
I can't.
Their children are sick.
They are sick.
I see it all the time.
It's not a question of whether or not they're sick.
It's a question of whether they're going to live or not.
We can't get good information from the Veterans Administration or from the SGLI, the life insurance for the government.
We can't get good figures, but Dr. Nicholson and some of the VA doctors have told me that they still believe that at least 15,000 of our military have died.
I'm hearing stories all the time of 25, 26, 27-year-old men that are dying.
A lot of them are dropping dead at age 22, 23, or were with heart attacks, which is very, very, very rare unless one has used cocaine.
And in these cases, they aren't using cocaine.
Because we're talking about the fittest of the fit.
They're dying of what's called the exploding heart syndrome.
Their hearts literally explode.
I got a call from Fort Sam telling me about one over there.
I mean, these are not normal kinds of deaths, especially in this kind of young men.
Well, as we have understood it, if the mycoplasma incognitus infects the heart, the heart muscle, it causes a type of cardiomyopathy or an enlarged heart.
They call it idiopathic cardiomyopathy, meaning we don't know what made it like that, but it's enlarged, and it destroys the heart muscle.
The way it's been explained to me by some autopsy reports is that literally the heart got so large it was the size of the chest cavity, and it was just too large.
And that is the lay term exploding heart syndrome, and that's the way some of the nurses have even told me about it.
So, you know, these things that I'm telling you, I've got a list of 400 deaths from the VA that are suspicious deaths.
And this list obviously was not supposed to circulate.
I mean, it's not a question of whether or not this is true.
I wish it wasn't.
I wish that I could get up tomorrow morning and all of this would be gone.
I could go back to my regular life, be a heart transplant nurse again, or a nurse consultant that I'm doing for medical legal cases now.
I wish I could go back to that.
But as long as these people are suffering and there are idiots on TV that get up and talk about the stress level, you know, like I just got a letter from a lady and she said, you know, I just want to read this to you.
These letters really tear me up.
She said, please understand I love my country.
I encouraged my husband to go to the Persian Gulf, but a different man came home to me.
His temper was volatile.
He was in pain all the time.
He was such a proud man who had served in the top 1% of his physical training group.
He was career material.
Since the war, I've had not one, but we have had two deformed children born with no history in our family.
I'm so sick myself, I can hardly go on.
My husband can no longer work.
He had a medical discharge because he had headaches and nausea all the time.
We've sold everything and now we're in bankruptcy.
Please don't think I'm asking for anything.
Please just give me the truth.
We are also sick.
Please help us.
You know, this is the kind of letter art and the kind of people that I deal with.
Not one of them asks for compensation.
That's not the issue.
They want their health back.
They want their lives back.
One of their little letters said, I returned from Desert Storm May 1st, 1991.
This letter was written.
I did not know that the war would start again three years later.
This time, it is not with a foreign nation, but with my own government.
According to Dr. Nicholson, mycoplasma incognitus was identified by the Department of Defense.
Now, was it made there?
Was it developed there?
Was it found there?
Was it, I don't know.
I don't know how it came about.
I can't speak to that issue.
But that's where they first heard about mycoplasma incognitus.
Mycoplasma is a microorganism that goes freely throughout the population and will give you maybe a pneumonia or a urinary tract infection, but it can be treated.
But according to Dr. Nicholson, they have added 40% of the HIV envelope gene deep into the nucleus of the mycoplasma.
Now, the reason that he identified this mycoplasma at MD Anderson Cancer Center was because his daughter had served doing deep insertions into a rack in the 101st airborne.
She came home, gave the disease to the family, and everyone got ill.
Because they were cell biology researchers, because that was their job, both Dr. Nicholson and his wife, who was at Dr. Nicholson, they went to the lab to find out what was causing it.
And they have told me, and we have discussed this many times, that there was such an alteration in the DNA sequences when they did the polymerase chain reaction and the gene tracking that they found a very bizarre finding.
Well, what you do is you combine it with mycoplasma.
And when you combine it with mycoplasma, then that's my understanding, you get mycoplasma incognitis.
And what you get then is a disease that mimics the AIDS virus.
It mimics it in many, many different ways.
For instance, you first get the night sweats, the lymph node swelling, the rash, headache, inability to eat, nausea, and then it goes on to different other problems.
But you see, this is where the person usually goes to the doctor and says, I've got this horrible chronic fatigue, this horrible rash, I can't function, I don't feel well.
And the doctor says, wow, I need to test you for AIDS.
It happens universally when I'm hearing from the troops.
So they're tested for Western blot or DLISA tests.
They're tested for AIDS.
And sure enough, it comes back negative.
So the doctor says, well, I've tried everything.
I can't find anything wrong.
Well, the majority of the lab findings are going to be normal at this point.
So they can't find anything.
Now, if they were to do a test for the mycoplasma incognitus, there's only a couple of places.
There's only a couple of places that that can be done.
One of them is at a lab called the Immunosciences Lab in Los Angeles.
The other place is by Dr. Garth Nicholson.
It's a very specific test, and it is not done, obviously, because mycoplasma is essentially an agent that is not used in this country or is not seen in this country.
At least it was until the Gulf War, pretty much.
So now Dr. Vajani at the Immunosciences Lab has agreed to do this test and is doing it for Gulf War veterans.
So this, by the way, though, is what the Associated Press recently came out with the announcement via Dr. Nicholson and via Representative Norm Dix of Washington State in which Representative Dix wanted to know why haven't I heard about this information on the mycoplasma?
Why are we this far after the war and we don't know about this?
And Representative Dix did call me personally and ask me why he hadn't heard about what we were talking about.
I told him the information's been out there.
We have been trying to get it out.
It's been provided to Congress.
Dr. Nicholson has provided it to the Pentagon, but it was going nowhere.
So he called a news conference on the 23rd of December, and it hit the newspapers.
The reason I think that it did was because Norm Dix called in the Pentagon and said, let's look at this thing.
Now, Norm Dix sits on the Appropriations Committee over the Pentagon, and I think that is probably why the Pentagon listened to him.
Be that as it may, we want it looked at.
Now, right now, we're doing independent testing on Gulf War veterans.
Dr. Nicholson has been doing it for three years on his own dime.
And he was recently told by the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, stop doing research on Gulf War veterans.
He refused to do it.
They terminated him, and he went to California.
I shouldn't say terminated for whatever reason.
He left at that point.
He was a tenured professor.
He went to California where he is now setting up his own laboratory there to do the test and the research on Gulf War veterans.
AIDS patients have been known to generate for the rest of the population all kinds of bronchial conditions and so forth that cannot be treated with traditional antibiotics.
Is it possible that because of the AIDS connection, to the AIDS envelope gene, that what we have here is something from the Gulf War that some AIDS patients caught and then began infecting other people with I don't think that's plausible I don't think it's probable I mean anything is possible but I think that there were too many people that got mycoplasma pneumonia very shortly during the war or
For instance, I myself was sick within six months after the war.
So we're talking about a pretty fast evolution of the disease.
I can't answer that question.
I don't know about all the possibilities that could exist, but we're seeing about 50% of the Gulf War veterans now positive for Michael Plasley incognitus.
Doctors willing to treat Gulf War veterans, and apparently a lot of them are not or will not with the appropriate antibiotics.
All right, we're going to break here, and when we come back, there is new information about the direction some Gulf War vets are going to take since the direction of the Pentagon has not been working so well for them.
That, when we come back.
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We're going to get to that in a moment.
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So they have made the decision to go to this level of activity.
And the individuals that I'm talking about, or the group that I'm talking about, is a group called the Operation Desert Shield Desert Storm Association with Dick Sylvester in Odessa, Texas, who has been a leader in this area for a long time.
And what they did was file a complaint with the United Nations on December 3rd or 4th of 1996.
I'm just going to read you.
They've made some incredible allegations here.
Sir, it is with great distress that I have to inform you that in our concerted opinion, the United States Department of Defense and its personnel, the Department of Veterans Affairs and its personnel now stand in violation of that charter, in violation of the Nuremberg Code, the Declaration of Helsinki, and in the detriment and in detriment to the common interest and concerns of the United Nations veterans community.
Now, pursuant to this United States own staff report dated December 8, 1994, prepared for the Committee of Veterans Affairs, the United States Department of Defense was found to have done the following.
Now, this is in a government report.
A, they have intentionally exposed military personnel to potentially dangerous substances, often in secret.
B, repeatedly failed to comply with required ethical standards when using human subjects in military research during war or threat of war.
C, the United States Department of Defense, the DOD Department of Affairs, have repeatedly failed to provide information and medical follow-up of those who participated in military research or who were ordered to take investigational drugs.
D, the United States Department of Defense has demonstrated a pattern of misrepresenting the danger of various military exposures that continue today.
Now with that, they have stated that the United States Veterans Community believes, or the United Nations Veterans Community believes that this evidence indicates a pattern of crimes against humanity and potential war crime activity by members of the administration of the DOD and the Veterans Affairs and the CIA.
So what they are essentially saying is that they want, and they filed this with the UN, to ask for an investigation into all personnel within the CIA, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
And literally they want every person looked at.
In fact, those Gulf War veterans who had physicians that would not treat, who continued to make them believe they were a psychiatric patient, etc., they want every person evaluated.
One, my first one, I guess, is how sick is it when our own citizens have to go to the U.N., which the U.S. doesn't much like anyway, officially, and won't pay its dues to, and in effect act as witness against their own government.
Item two is, for the U.N. to achieve this for them means they need virtual police powers within this country.
But those that were in this position felt that was the only avenue they had.
Now, you said something very, very true in how sick this is, that our military must go to a foreign power to get help.
Now, in talking with Daniel New the other night, we were discussing this as to what a tragedy it is because it almost establishes the UN as a foreign power as an entity.
And I think that it is beyond reproach that the United States government has not taken care of its own military and they have forced them into this kind of action.
You know, for me to come on your show, for me to talk on the airwaves and say there is an illness, there is an illness, for the Pentagon to get up there and say there isn't one, there isn't one, meanwhile, men and women are dying.
The issue is not is there an illness or not.
The issue is can it be treated and how?
But to admit that, they have to admit certain unethical, illegal activities that occurred.
If it is treatable, and most of it is, then to get rid of all this, why not blame it on the Iraqis?
I mean, even if they developed this at Fort Meade or someplace like that and it got out of hand or it got sold to them or whatever, blame it politically on the Iraqis and treat it.
And this is the part I don't like to talk about, but we know individuals that cannot be treated now.
Where are we going to go now with the military that has been devastated?
They got about 600,000 of the individuals out of the military as fast as they could so that the military would not be faced with this problem, so that we would not have a sick military.
But now we've got a sick military on the outside.
Yes, the antibiotic is effective in many of the cases, in about 60% of the cases.
But that's all.
The organophosphate poisoning from the chemical weapon, can it be treated?
They couldn't answer that question today in the news conference because organophosphate poisoning is very serious.
Where are we going to go?
America, now I hope you realize the severity of this.
Well, we're talking now in the realm of war crimes.
We are talking about intentional neglect and criminal intent here.
And one of the things that we are interested in pursuing right now is getting evidence and information regarding those that were ordered to destruct the medical records, to destroy the medical records.
Those that were ordered to do so or that participated in it, we need that information.
We know it's gone on.
We know attorneys were arrested for it.
But this is forage of records gets into a whole criminal violation in and of itself.
Whether you consider failure to treat or not, that's one issue.
But destroying medical records, and we know that about 60% of the medical records are either missing or they have been sanitized.
Well, it's questionable as to whether it can be transferred in Scud missile.
There are some conditional problems that would have to be met with that, and I'm not an expert on that to speak on that.
It can be a contaminant of the drugs that were given.
And other than that, I really cannot speak to the issue of mycoplasma transfer.
We know that the other biological agents could be transferred in the Scud missiles.
In fact, I received some documents that were messages from the Joint Chiefs of Staff discussing the chemical warheads that were found and discussing whether or not there were actually biologicals in those chemical warheads.
Now, here's something that I think needs to be mentioned is that what we are hearing is literally their side of the story, which does not have anything to do with what the first-hand accounts of those that are on the battlefield.
I have been told by very reputable individuals who have no reason to lie, they're sick, they need help, but I've been told that we use chemical weapons.
I've had first-hand accounts that they saw chemical weapons used on us.
Now, we are not the good guys in this, unfortunately.
This was just a mess.
But denying treatment to our troops is only making it worse.
We know that those Scud missiles from most of the films that have been evaluated only had a one-stage explosion on them.
This is important.
If you don't have a two-stage, you don't have the subsequent booster hitting the explosive.
What is it?
It's obviously a chemical or a biological warhead.
So if you have a Patriot hitting a scud and there's only one explosion, there's only one explanation for what that was.
Now, there were too many areas that had too many dead animals that had dead flies on them.
Now, those animals, many of them, were tested, and we know that they know what that was all about.
Chemical weapons, 14,000 alarms went off.
We know what that was all about.
The alarms that went off, the troops were told, retest until you get a negative.
I did notice, Joyce, the other day, CNN ran a story about a new mobile biological field testing unit that within a minute or two can determine if biologicals have been used.
You know, it's this vehicle.
And I'm wondering, why would they be designing this so quickly if they did not suspect that was the case in the Gulf?
We know it happens, and we know what happened during the Gulf War.
You cannot have a disease passing through so many people without a contagious disease.
You're not going to have a contagious disease without a biological weapon.
So wherever it came from, I don't care if it was in the food or it was in the immunizations or in the scuds, we have it.
So they obviously know.
Now, here's the problem is that we provided all of this to Saddam Hussein.
You haven't heard this discussed in any of the reports either.
Senator Regal said that he thought it was absolutely astonishing to find out that we had provided Saddam Hussein with all of these agents to provide for nuclear, biological, and chemical capability.
Now, explain to me why we would provide all of these agents up through 1990 to Saddam Hussein.
Then we go over there and George Bush decides we need to bomb them all now.
Think about this.
Through all this time we're providing it to them and now we decide this could be a threat.
We need to destroy it.
Well we were providing to Iraq and Iran at the same time.
It had to be a financial issue.
Tremendous amount of money was spent on these agents and on these weapon systems.
Well that could be a good reason and there again we have the mental illness in the Defense Department.
But you know let me just tell you also here is what was found after the war.
Now this is another interesting comparison as to how the Department of Defense, well how they think that we are so stupid we're going to accept everything they say.
Here are some of the agents that were found after the war.
They found scuds loaded 13,155 millimeter shells loaded with mustard gas.
Actually, there was a story about some UN guys who drilled a hole, I think we talked about this last time, into the warhead of a Scud, and Sarin came pouring out.
though by god we went over to the cornell university library website and their it was thirty days notification to local authorities and people can get It's true.
And I have been told about some experiments that are going on in some other parts of the country.
I don't want to talk about it, but that are actually going on now where the animals are all dead in those particular areas, and they know that there is some type of experiment.
You see, but Art, you know, after you aired that on your show, it was the talk of talk shows all over the country.
Now, why is it that some nurse from Missouri City, Texas has to spend her life savings trying to tell the world what is going on?
Now, I don't mind doing it, but surely there are people a lot smarter than I am out there that should have discovered this, should have voted against it, and should have told USA Today or CNN what was going on.
There is an agenda out there to keep information from us.
Now, one of the things that I hope that you understand that I have been doing is I'm providing you documentation.
And I think it is critical to understand that there are those people out there that do this kind of work, that study this, and they need to be listened to.
But when I first realized that our military was dying, not being treated, and I went forward to find one other person that would believe me, it was real hard.
And especially the media.
Now they're calling.
AP called and wanted to do a big interview the other day, but I went to them three years ago.
I have gone to the local TV station here in Houston.
I have gone to all the radio stations here in Houston, and no one would listen to me.
They labeled me a wacko.
You know, now people that are doing this kind of thing are labeled right-wing wackos, patriots, whatever you want to call them.
Well, I think we need to take a new look at what this kind of person is that's trying to save this country.
But one gets labeled that you are too eccentric because you're trying to save this country.
And I do want to say one thing in defense of myself right now is that I love this country.
And I was raised by a father that was in the Air Force.
My mom was in the Navy.
And every night, my father, before he went to bed, he would play Off We Go into the Wild Blue Yonder.
I was raised with that.
I mean, I am the type of person that if I'm home alone, I'll salute the flag as it goes by.
I mean, I believe in this country.
I believe so much I'm willing to put my life on the line, everything I own on the line, because I want America to be safe.
I don't want there to be tyranny here.
I don't want there to be those that can conspire to create a disease or maintain a disease in our population, and we don't even know about it.
I mean, this is all coupled with the chronic fatigue, the fibromyalgia we've been seeing since 1991.
And now, the Vietnam veterans are getting together, the chronic fatigue sufferers, the Gulf War veterans, and we're saying, not no, but hell no, it's over.
You've crossed the line in the sand.
And I want to make one other statement, and that is, there is more military, or there are more military, than the Pentagon could ever, ever hope that there wasn't.
In other words, more military now have found out about what is going on, and they're not happy.
And these are people that are individuals that are out of the service, in the service, and they understand what is transpiring.
And what's going to happen, I don't know, but this is what really concerns me, is what is the Pentagon going to do now?
I've got an example here of the CIA experiments that have gone on in this country, and it would just depress you totally.
It lists, of course, we know about MK-Ultra and MK-NAOMI, the biological warfare testing, Operation Whitecoat, which was the Seventh-day Adventist testing.
And all of these things have been done without our knowledge.
In fact, I've even got some information on MK-Ultra that said that they protected the researchers because they didn't want to divulge their confidentiality or release their, you know, it was against their rights to divulge their confidentiality.
Nothing was mentioned about, of course, the 55 schools and the, you know, on and on that were experimented upon.
There are some testing areas where they're saying they're testing biological type agents for forests, for deforestation, for water.
And really, we don't know.
We don't know.
But there's large epidemics of things like Incline Village, Nevada, where they had huge outbreaks of chronic fatigue.
Why?
And is that mycoplasma-based?
We're going to find out.
So those are the ones that I can think of offhand.
The open-air bombing of Iraq of chemical and biological munitions while still sealed in their storage containers or artillery shells is in stark contrast to the way the U.S. chemical and biological weapons disposal program operates,
in which the active agents are carefully removed from their containers or delivery systems, then burned in high-tech incinerators under tightly controlled and monitored conditions inside sealed facilities.
Given the safety concerns and controversy that are still voiced over the operation of this specifically designed facility, it is unbelievable that the government could claim that open-air bombing of sealed munitions could possibly be safe.
There is no way to guarantee complete and effective incineration by this crude open-air method.
The government's handling of the matter represents the height of hypocrisy.
It's an interesting point, a condescending insult to the intelligence of Americans, a pathetic attempt to cover up a massive failure in the military's handling of proper disposal of these Iraqi weapons.
May the truth become widely known so we can take care of those who need treatment and learn not to make this kind of terrible mistake in the future.
I think we need to look at the fact that, first of all, we sold them the stuff, then we went over and decided to bomb it out of there.
And yes, it absolutely is dangerous.
Salmon Pack was one of the areas, biological areas that were bombed.
You haven't heard about Solmon Pack yet.
You know, they're going to sneak out Camcea, sneak out all of these biological and chemical dumps that were bombed.
You know, even, let me tell you, another insult to our intelligence is that they keep telling us nobody got sick over there, so therefore we didn't think there was a problem.
Well, I just got a message from the Joint Chiefs of Staff that said during the war, 40% of all our U.S. troops were sick.
They had some type of problem, chest pain, a problem probably related to a chemical or biological agent.
So, you know, it's just one lie after the other.
You could tell a million lies.
There's only one truth.
And we're seeing the numbers of lies that have been told.
One of the lies is that we had adequate chemical detection systems.
They misfired a lot, but, you know, they were okay.
Well, what we find out now is that it took 1,000 times too much sarin gas to detonate our alarms or to make our alarms sound.
In other words, the threshold was 1,000 less than that.
But we didn't, you know, we're just now learning all these things, and yet they're still saying, gee, I don't know if they're sick or not.
Organophosphate poisoning is deadly, and exposure to that kind of sarin gas is deadly.
And so when Assistant Secretary of Defense Dorn went before the committee hearing and said, oh, there was no evidence, classified or unclassified, of biological or chemical agents, well, then they said to him, by the way, were there any biological monitoring systems?
Well, no.
So how do you know there weren't any biological?
Well, nobody died.
Well, there were a lot of people sick, and maybe it was a disease that was just to incapacitate, not to kill them on the field.
Treat these Gulf War veterans for both biological and chemical agent poisoning.
Or look at it for that.
Suspect that.
But no, what happened after the war?
Within two years after the war, you were seeing these big headlines, there is no Gulf War illness.
Don't ask again.
That's incredible.
No thought of, gee, we knew he had it.
Well, because we knew Camacea blew up, even though they want you to believe that the paper was found in the back of the Pentagon somewhere, misfiled, behind a box.
I mean, Dr. Leisure, Dr. Murray Leisure said, I knew about Camasa in 1991.
The troops told me they were exposed to chemicals.
But you know what?
They've got Dr. Schwartz and they've got all these doctors up there doing all these studies, but are they asking Gulf War veterans if they actually saw chemical agents with yellow bands around it or biological agents with green bands around it?
Well, the way things are going right now, maybe with this Chapter 50 thing, to find out whether it's really true, they will blow up some U.S. munitions depot somewhere near some city.
I'm not an expert on Flight 800, but the French were the ones that reported the so-called flare.
Interesting during the Gulf War that the French were the ones that would not take those vaccines and that also made their troops take doxycycline on a daily basis.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
Hi.
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Hi, Art.
Yes, sir.
Hi.
Yeah, I was just wanting to bring up there, I was in the Marine Corps back in the Gulf War there.
And when we deployed the Saudi, then when we went up into the ground offensive into Kuwait there, we would wear our chemical suits, whatever you want to call them, mop suits.
And we would wrap tape, like a strip of tape, on your arm and your leg.
And when we were going into Kuwait there, we got the signal for gas attacks.
So we were suiting up there.
And I happened to glance down at my chem tape, and it was turning pink.
And I looked over at my buddies there, and I was like, hey, look at this, you know, and everybody's like, oh, man, you know, I guess they're doing it.
And then we kept going on in farther, and we stopped on the outskirts of Kuwait City there.
And when we were stopped there after about a couple weeks or so, that's when, you know, we set up in a big perimeter there.
And all down the line, you know, guys would start getting sick real bad and all.
And at the time, I didn't pay much attention to it.
I thought it was just because the conditions we were living in, I guess.
But then when we got back to the United States, I started talking with guys from an infantry unit farther down from us, and they were talking about some of their experiences.
And they were talking about coming up on Iraqi bunkers, and out of the artillery shells, they were leaking out like pink gel or whatever it was.
And they were telling me about an Iraqi captain that came up to him with his hands up in the air, and he was screaming.
And they asked the guy, what's wrong with you?
And he said that they had tried to fire off some of their chemical rounds, and I guess they misjudged the wind, or the wind changed on them, and it blew it right back into them.
And then, by coincidence, I read in an article a few months back here that in the combat operations log for 2nd Marine Division that they had actually had it logged in where they had taken casualties from chemical weapons, I believe, though.
But it just amazes me, you know, all that evidence right there, all they'd have to do is interview some of those people, and they're going to try to deny it still, you know.
What we're finding is the ones that are most affected by MCS or multiple chemical sensitivity are the Gulf War veterans that were really deep in the area of the chemical explosions.
Those that were affected by the organophosphates tend to be most severely affected.
There is one I know, one guy that I know that is, I believe he's 30 years old now, and he has to live in a room that the room is tapered with aluminum foil.
He is too sensitive to everything.
And we're not talking about an imaginary type thing.
We're talking about an anaphylaxis or going into respiratory rest when they're affected with these chemicals.
It's destroyed their immune systems.
So yes, we're seeing it.
We're not seeing it among the spouses.
We're seeing it or the people that maybe have been affected by the mycoplasma until the latter stages.
But it's primarily those that were involved in the chemical arena.
I think that's why they're decreasing the amount of ammunition that they're using in the military and artillery and armaments, because it is going to be a war of viruses and bacteria from now on.
But it strikes me that these people have virtually nowhere to turn.
I have a couple thoughts.
I'm not a cellular biologist either, but maybe Joyce can answer this.
I heard somewhere where Saddam Hussein had hired a scientist from a Western country to help develop some biological warfare that would come in a way that had long-term and large population effects later on.
And perhaps mycoplasma is really a fairly common and easily transmissible bacteria.
And to have mixed it with this sort of had this mutant hybrid germ now with this AIDS envelope in it, perhaps that was his way of sending this back to us.
And maybe that's why the government is so hesitant to admit what's going on, because they're afraid of the widespread panic and quite frankly don't know how to handle it.
What we need to do is we're having people that are taking out ads in the newspapers.
There's a gentleman in Minnesota, Don Kashati, who's organized a group up there.
Some World War II vets have gotten behind this, showing the video, talking to people about it, coming to the aid of the Gulf War veterans, doing some fundraising for them.
What happened yesterday with all of this information coming out was I had two instances in which a wife and a father in different situations said, look, there is no Gulf War illness.
I don't care if you think you're sick.
Either get out there and make a living or go to a shelter.
I'm finished with you.
Now, this is what has happened.
They're on the street now and they need help.
We have got to rally around them.
Certainly we need funding to help take care of them.
But the bottom line is we've got to tell the rest of America what's really going on.
I tried to shoot a few holes in the whole thing this time and act a little bit as devil's advocate so we could better understand what this disease is and what it is not, why it is spreading, whether it is real, how it could be covered up.
And now our own troops, our own U.S. citizen troops, are having to go to the United Nations to get some action.
In effect, testifying against their own government.
A sad day, indeed.
We'll be right back.
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An encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from January 8th, 1997.
I see them blue, farming here.
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world I see skies so blue and clouds of white.
The bright blessed day.
The dogs say goodnight.
And I think to myself.
Now we take you back to the night of January 8th, 1997 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Music Now, the big talk of the day has been the Supreme Court's consideration of and apparent preparation to reject the right to have a physician assist you to commit suicide if you want to.
Most of the justices made comments indicating they don't think it's such a good idea.
Here is a facts.
Dear Art, the Supreme Court started hearing Arguments today about physician-assisted suicide.
Having watched my mom die recently, I can have some sympathy for assisted suicide, but not for physician-assisted suicide.
I would not want my doctor to be concerned in any form or fashion with intentionally causing death.
Instead, if the powers that be insist, I would rather there be a death corps formed from specially trained and licensed hospice workers and or from MDs unlicensed for any other kind of medical practice who have first publicly rejected their Hippocratic oath.
A death squad.
Of course, we all know this is opening the door to eventual dictated euthanasia.
Well, I have many times, actually, and I think most people, adults, have.
And for a long time, I thought, well, if I really got sick and it really got bad, I might pull the plug myself.
I have changed my view of that, and I would not do that.
However, I have not changed my view that your life and what you decide to do spiritually yourself is your own damn business and none of the governments.
It's not the state's business.
It's not the police's business.
It's not the business of the federal government in any way.
And I'm not going to be talked out of that.
I am absolutely that much of a libertarian.
It's your life.
And if you decide to end it, it's your business.
And it's certainly none of their damn business.
That really, really, really makes me angry.
But looks like they're not going to go for it.
Boris Yeltsin looks as though he's back in the hospital, has pneumonia.
And we'll have to wait and see how that works out.
There have been, around the world, suddenly, I'm becoming aware because of all of the messages that I'm getting.
There's been an explosion, not just of UFO sightings, but of apparitions, locations, heavenly signs, weeping statues.
They're all over the place suddenly.
Why?
Why are we suddenly being flooded with these extraordinary signs and graces?
Why is Mary appearing all over the world?
What's going on?
Do you see any connection between the rash of supposed UFO sightings, abductions, and all the rest of it, and the religious sightings?
Is it millennium madness, as some would say, or is something real going on?
Well, instead of blowing those things up and, you know, spreading that stuff out like the biggest biological weapon in history, shouldn't they have just disassembled the buildings and without question?
And I was listening to you talk about the Gulf War and everything.
And my impression is, I've always said my impression that Clinton is a Nazi fascist.
And this thing really got me.
If you want to destroy your country or whatever, or somebody's country, what better way than to get rid of the patriotic people and the families that support them?
That, too, has been going on through many administrations.
I do not think Bill Clinton is a Nazi fascist.
Nor do I think was George Bush.
However, we well know that our government does all kinds of things and has done all kinds of things that most Americans would have thought to be totally, completely, utterly unthinkable.
My God, to experiment on.
Children, pregnant women, that sort of thing.
People don't talk about it a lot because it's almost beyond the pale.
Not almost is beyond the pale.
And they don't want to believe that of their own government.
I have come to see very little difference between administrations at the top.
How much real difference is there between George Bush and Bill Clinton?
Barely any that I can delineate, and I mean barely any.
And I quote, they were exposed to a variety of potentially toxic chemicals, such as fumes and smoke from oil well fires, diesel fumes, toxic paints, pesticides, and depleted uranium used in munitions and armor.
What I'd like to talk about right now is I was watching the show on CNN and Janet Reno and all her lackeys was there, and they were talking real bad about the government breakdown on California and Arizona.
What they said was, sir, that the people in California and Arizona, when they voted for this medicinal marijuana use, were asleep at the switch.
It is arrogant.
It's hypocritical.
And it is a shame that the government did not sit back for a little while, think about this, and perhaps use that as a way to begin to consider a change nationally in the way we treat marijuana with respect to other illicit drugs.
No, no, they're not going to do that.
They're going to take the McCaffrey hardline military position that we've got to get them.
Not only do they have to say no, but if they don't, they're going to jail.
And first of all, there is a very big difference between Bush and Clinton.
First of all, I want to take everybody back to about 1989, 1990.
First of all, we realized metaphysically and spiritually, now I need everyone to get up on a little bit higher level, that there was this unequilibrium balance in the life universe.
We realized the line no longer ran through the earth, through the 12th and the 6th.
It has backslid.
Then because of man's pollution, and I just felt like, personally, my self-defense mechanisms went off as an international spiritual visionary.
We can talk about whether there is a difference between George Bush and Bill Clinton, but cracks in the earth, numbers, equilibrium balance, and all the rest of it.
Give me a break.
At the top, with regard to policy, the differences between George Bush and Bill Clinton could barely be seen as you would look through the eye of a needle.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight's program originally aired January 8th, 1997.
And I reviewed that with Joyce earlier in the day.
This is information being developed by an attorney, not by Joyce.
And I am in the process of, as I made some calls today, instead of having Joyce present the material, I think the attorney filing the case would be the appropriate presentation.
One thing I like to bring up, I've been noticing about the quickening, it seems like every generation, let's say 10 years or so, every generation of youth or people tend to be soft.
I mean, they can't take things as much.
Even in aspects of the NFL or any aspect of life, you can't tackle the quarterback as hard.
You can't, you know, different rules for different people.
It's just not the same.
I wonder if every generation going back until biblical times has gotten softer from the previous generation.
We have become progressively softer, sir, since World War II.
We are now to the point where if we had a full national need to defend our country, more people than not would turn away.
We're at the point where if there was a depression at the level of the Great Depression, the suicides now would make the suicides then look like nothing.
We are soft.
There's no question.
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What do you think we are getting softer?
And what do you think generations are getting softer?
Do you honestly think that the gimme generation today, and I include not just Generation X, but to a large degree my own generation, if it really, really came down to sacrifice, do you think they would sacrifice well?
And I have a hunch that just maybe that fossil was so well preserved that it contained information which would blow great big holes in all the theories we have about dinosaurs.
Yeah, but of course the scientific community would fight tooth and nail against any such facts being presented because I've maintained for years that science is a religion and the high priests of that religion frankly don't want to have egg on their face.
And he is building something that Wayne Green has talked about.
An electrical device that passes a small current, I think they do it down near the ankles, through the bloodstream, and they claim that it will purify the blood, even from the AIDS virus.
A definitive testing has not been done, and I keep asking people, like that man, what kind of results they've had.
When you were talking to Joyce Riley earlier, I desperately tried to get through to tell her that I've been on the doc recycling for two weeks and there's a huge difference.
Yeah, I've been following quite closely on the news in Puerto Rico to some contacts there.
And the last attack that they have had was, let's see, it would have been Sunday night on three camels that were brought in from the United States for their Three Kings Festival in San Juan.
You're kidding.
And I don't know what happened to the policeman that was supposed to be watching those camels, but apparently he turned his back or whatever, but it drained all three camels.
Hey, you know, you guys were talking earlier about the fascist government.
All you have to do is look at the big curtains in the wall behind the speaker's podium on Congress, and you'll see the two big thatched-together bundles of sticks with the axe handle on it.
Now, that's called a fascia, and that's a symbol for world fascism.
They're about 12 feet tall.
There's one on each side of the Congress platform.
You guys were talking the other night, too, about the idea that it may be the experience, the enlightened experience of marijuana that actually government is trying to make illegal.
And I was just simply asking, and I will again write now, if somebody came up with some substance that produced absolute euphoria in human beings with no after effects, no brain damage, no side effects that could be documented in any way, all it did was produce euphoria, you can bet your bottom dollar it would be illegal.
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Yeah, well, that's for sure.
You know, and what they want to make legal, they want to make legal alcohol, which deadens the mind, reduces inhibitions.
Marijuana alters your puts you in an altered state.
There is no question about that.
But whether or not you are thinking creatively is another question.
It may make you dumb in another way.
That is not the argument.
The argument is its relative danger compared to alcohol.
The argument is the government including it with the really hard and dangerous drugs, which then turns the whole thing into a lie, causing our children to say, hey, they lied their butts off about this, and so it makes it easier to go to the white powder.
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And that's a very good point.
And that's a point that really deserves a lot of attention, because they should never lump together all of the drugs that they have lumped together.
They lump crack cocaine together with marijuana.
Now, it's real.
You've got a guy out there that's smoking a joint, that's sitting back going, wow, this TV program is really interesting, or wow, this music sounds really good, or wow, look at the pretty flowers or the pretty trees.
Then you have a guy out there that he's sitting in the back alley shoving a needle in his arm full of heroin, and those guys could both go to jail for the same amount of time.
It's absolutely ludicrous.
And the fact that they're trying to say that California and Arizona cannot pass laws just shows that they are a fascist government, and they're blatant about it by the fascia that are on the sides of the back of Congress.
That is, what's occurred in Arizona and California.
What do you think is going to happen?
Do you think that California and Arizona, in fear of losing every federal government return of taxpayer money, will shy away or somehow pass laws in opposition to what the people have voted for by initiative?
Do you think the feds are going to move in, do their own enforcement?
What do you think is going to happen?
It's a very interesting question.
The one thing that sticks in my craw is that the feds are saying the voters, You folks were asleep at the Switch when you voted for this.
Now, that's really, really arrogant because, as I keep saying, they should bear in mind: the very same voters may feel asleep at the Switch the next time they're asked to vote for the people who make this accusation.
So, it's going to be interesting.
Very interesting battle indeed.
All right, we are near the top of the hour.
In some markets, we have a couple of hours yet to go, and we will continue to do nothing but open lines, straight on through.
In other words, anything you want to talk about, no matter how strange, no matter how weird, no matter how bizarre, is fair game.
Somebody out there might tell me if pouring salt, all this salt, on this cursed doll, will really make a difference.
We have this big trash container out there, and any moment I expect to hear it banging up and down with this cursed doll trying to get out.
The stuff that people send to you.
And you wonder why I'm hesitant to give out my address.
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Thank you.
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She's got better days by She's kind of using gone.
You won't have to think twice.
She's pure as New York snow.
She's got better days by you.
I'll bet her job with you.
She's colorful and she knows just what it is.
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To think that the United States government would turn their back on a GI, on a squid, you know, it's just earth-shaking to me.
I mean, there's a lot going on around us, but I'll tell you what, I mean, it just, it's beyond me that Colin Powell would get on national, the national media and say, well, the Pentagon wouldn't lie to the American people.
There was a day, sir, when I thought, too, it could not be true that the people that worked in our military, particularly with regard to those who were in the military service, they would be, if anything, extremely protective of them.
By the way, this just in from Steve Art, guess what?
There is a new Hailbop photo now on the Vatican Observatory's image server.
And he gives the address here.
He says it does not show Hail Mary, but it is a nice picture of Hailbob.
Of course, the Vatican has absolutely no interest in this comet, do they?
They always like they sweep her right under the carpet so the public forgets about it and then they put something else in front of them to keep them entertained.
Well, I feel that if there was more love in this world, actually you can tell how much love is in any society, any government, even the home place, the workplace, because if there's love there, there's a respecter of persons, then you don't need so many laws and rules.
And when love is absent, then the rules have to take over.
And when you look at the workplace and the government, they just pass laws Every day, just hundreds of them.
But sometimes love has got to be tempered with inculcating responsibility and those kinds of ideas as well.
And that's part of love.
Isn't it?
unidentified
Well, I think if you parents are models for their children.
And if they really have unconditional love and they have trust and they have respect, this will be models for the children.
And they will learn this growing up.
But now if they're false, like for instance, somebody calls up and the child says, hey, mom, so-and-so is on the phone, and she says, tell them I'm not here.
Well, right now, they're doing experiments to try and determine if there is a weight or mass reduction with regard to the parts when subjected to high voltage, and they believe they have measured a weight reduction or a mass reduction.
Right.
And so we are awaiting those results.
It's a very difficult test.
unidentified
That is so amazing.
You know, I've believed in pretty much UFOs most of my life.
There was a flap back in 68 when I was a kid.
And I remember me and my brothers, my sisters, my mom was in the dent, and I heard something about it on the news.
And there was activity in the sky, but I was too young to understand.
But I just barely remember that.
And I wonder, there was a big study in that area at that time.
So it's pretty interesting.
Keep up the good work.
And I hope you get some results and all that stuff on the part.
Couldn't help but remember something I've been told by a very wise person a few years ago with regard to Bush, and that is that Bush would be found in the near future to be the most evil person who ever ran the country.
And I have to believe, after having heard all this material about the Gulf War illness, that his head of the CIA, and I believe he was still acting head of it, even as president, that he knew damn well that we were giving the troops a pill approved wrongly by the FDA.
most of known instead of the c_i_a_ about it secret testing of a public that's been going on since the end of world war two this really all started with Again, not in the same way, and I don't think he had anywhere near the same influence as to stop it.
And I have a, I'm as fond of the mystical explanation of changes in society as anyone, but I noticed that people seem to be missing a very tangible, obvious cause for the changes in our society.
Yes.
Which is that for the 10,000 years preceding the 1900s, we were an agricultural-based society.
I think that what we need to do is consciously derive our social forms.
Our social forms prior to this have been sort of accrued through traditional practices.
And it may be that we've reached a point where we can actually consciously decide what our forms are going to be.
I think the 60s were an example with the communes and some of the alternative lifestyles of a tentative experiment and thrust in that direction, which didn't really work very well.
And I believe it is because it is an unnatural unit.
And that when you get many people together, as in a commune, eventually cliques form, little political groups within form, differences manifest, and as we can have differences between a man and a wife, multiply that by many times.
Just as if, and this goes back to what I was talking about with regard to the internet, I'm still thinking about that.
If you have a committee of three people who are set on a task to accomplish something, they're likely going to get it done.
If you have a committee of 30, you're not going to get very much done.
If you have a committee of 3,000, forget it.
They're going to be utterly paralyzed.
And I think that's why the idea of communes never worked.
And I think at times even the future may leak through to the present.
That time is, you know, as I've said it a million times, I think it's our invention, and that time is something we don't really quite understand, and that there could be feed-through and effect from both directions.
Yes, I believe that could be true.
unidentified
And I'd also like to address your theory on the quickening.
I believe what that is, is a form of a media-induced perception.
For example, if you walked out of your house and had never read a newspaper, watched a TV show, heard a radio show, seen a movie, would you think the world was going to hell in a handbasket?
But as you approach your fellow loving, caring citizens for help, say, let's say you were helpless, and you would be, because you wouldn't know anything about the city.
And you would approach people and try to get them to help you, right?
How much help do you think you'd get?
unidentified
That's due to a lack of spirituality, and I'm not talking religion.
I'm talking the oneness that we've lost in seeing ourselves in our fellow man.
The social deterioration, the economic deterioration.
Do you know how many people today have no regard for money whatsoever, and they go out and get every credit card they can lay their hands on, run them all up to the limit, and then declare bankruptcy?
Do you know how many people are doing that today?
Where do you think they learned that kind of behavior?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Let me turn the radio down.
Hello, Art.
Hi.
I got a couple things.
You know how you talk about to legalize marijuana?
First of all, on the communes, I think that a big part of it, why things didn't work out too well, is that there's too many takers and not enough givers.
Now, a commune, you suspect you're going to have a lot more givers than takers because they're self-selected that way.
But over the long run, it just seems like there's too many takers and not enough givers, and the level of commitment is too low so that you don't have the stick-to-ativeness and the continuity that you need.
But you find a lot of communes that just kind of disintegrate after a while.
But any group you get together for a cause, the very best of causes, I mean, even church groups, they begin to form little cliques and political advocacy groups, and then there begins to be a war within.
It's natural.
unidentified
Well, I've seen that happen to some extent.
My own experience is that the two things I mentioned are the bigger cause, but you might mean it's not necessarily that way universally.
The other thing I wanted to bring up is when we're talking about whether or not we should have the right to commit suicide and that sort of thing, the one thing I don't hear anybody bring up is that when a person gets sufficiently disabled that they're causing a great load on society.
And with our technology, we can make that an enormous load very, very quickly trying to just to maintain a person.
That if I was in that situation, I would feel like if I'm not doing anybody any good, and people are just committing resources to me, what good is that?
Yes, but perhaps not at all, but that ought to be your judgment.
And look, I am enough of a libertarian that no matter how I personally feel about the issue of suicide, doctor-assisted or otherwise, I know one thing for absolute sure, and that is it is not the government's business.
It's not their business.
It's yours.
And if you want to go to a physician or several and have them assist you in some way to avoid the final, painful, agonized days of a fatal illness, then damn it, it's your choice.
And that of the doctor.
Not all doctors should do it, nor would they.
But it sure isn't the government's business.
You know, I listen to a lot of so-called Republicans with libertarian tendencies.
And they're all the time for smaller government and less regulation.
See, I'm going to start sounding just like Harry Brown.
But when it really comes down to the moral issues that they cherish or claim to, then they're all set to make all the laws in the world to get in your face.
And this is one area where it's a very good example.
Any spraying they would do, any sort of test on the civilian population, you would think they would track all the local medical records very carefully, trying to determine what the long-term effects of whatever it is they're testing on us would be.
I can almost see them now.
Well, Harry, what do you want to do today?
Well, how about New Orleans?
We'll try some of this purple stuff.
You know, we haven't tried the purple stuff yet.
We'll spray a little bit of that and track it for a while, huh?
There's some good federal dollars going to work.
First time call our line.
You're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Eric.
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Gee, I've listened to you since probably the mid-80s.
And again, you know, nothing bothers me less than all these shots that are being taken at me.
As a matter of fact, I kind of consider it a badge of honor.
I love open line talk radio.
Sure, it's strange.
Sure, you hear from the fringe element, the strange folks out there.
Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
But it's live, it's unscreened, and it's as real as it gets.
And when some of the other talk show hosts out there figure out that they don't have to have a little TV screen in front of them with a bunch of little soldiers lined up who are either going to agree with them or disagree with them, but have been carefully screened to be talking about what they want to talk about and generally to agree with them.
When they figure out they can do a talk show without having all of that, they'll do a better talk show.
Until then, they're going to feel threatened.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello.
There's a magazine that's the latest issue of Extra and the latest issue of Covert Action Quarterly.
I guess the only place you can get them is like strolling on borders.
And this Extra is a media watchdog group that really documents how the corporate establishment media has been really suppressing any kind of evidence that would embarrass the CIA, the military-industrial complex.
It really interlocks and runs that very same media.
Some of the stuff you've been talking about over the years, the chemical and biological experiments by the CI and the Pentagon on people.
And the latest here is this CIA crack cocaine contra link where the San Jose Mercury News brought.
What has happened to it is, and they document it in this extra magazine, is the leading media, many of them with connections to the CIA themselves, and this is documented by people like Carl Bernstein and others who wrote back in Rolling Stone in the 70s that the New York Times, for instance, the Washington Post, had very close ties over the last 50 years with the CIA.
They have provided cover to the CIA.
They've spiked stories for the CIA, covered up other stories, tried to discredit other stories.
And it points out that in this latest case, they really made a fierce counterattack to try to discredit this story of the CI-Contra-Cocaine connection, which is very well documented, going all the way back to the Kerry Commission, which documented this.
Even the investigation by the Costa Rican government and their commission, in which they found that Oliver North, the U.S. Ambassador, Poindexter, C. Cord, and the CI station chief were all implicated in this drug-running ring to finance the Contra attack against Nicaragua.