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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Barbie Taylor - Paranormal

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones, all of them in the darkness right now, from the Tahitian Hawaiian Island chain all the way east to the U.S. Virgin Islands, soon to Puerto Rico, soon, soon, soon, south into South America, north to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell.
		And this evening, we're going to introduce you to somebody named Dr. Barbie Taylor, living on 205 in Las Vegas.
		And she has investigated for a long time now that her normal has rubbed shoulders with just about everybody who's anybody, Dr. Stephen Grigger, who we interviewed here at C70.
		Dr. Raymond Moody has worked with the Biccolo Foundation, as have we, did early work on human sexuality, and then somehow got interested in parapsychology.
		As a matter of fact, Brad Steiger, another good friend, wrote a foreword to her book.
		And so we will talk of things of this sort shortly with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		Anyway, we'll get underway in a moment.
		Well, all right.
		I want to advise everybody just before we get started here with Dr. Barbie that Dr. Calf, who was once on my Dreamland program and was the principal investigator into the case that later became known as the Entity, the movie, The Entity with Barbara Hershey, I think.
		We did a great show on Dreamland.
		And he said, you know, I've got the original photographs from this case.
		And you've got to remember, this was well documented.
		A major university did the investigatory work, and he headed that team.
		And wait till you see these photographs.
		As a matter of fact, they're up there to be seen right now.
		And I really, heartily recommend you go to my website and take a look.
		You'll see it prominently displayed when you go in, the Dr. Tap appearance.
		Just click on that.
		And in you'll go and take a look.
		This plasma is above this woman, obviously dejected, sitting on the bed.
		And there have got to be at least five or more witnesses with cameras also capturing.
		So you've got to see this.
		You have got to see it.
		I think there's five or six photographs total there at the moment.
		And they are amazing.
		So you take a look because it is a subject we will also discuss this morning with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		Doctor, welcome to the program.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad to be here tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you would, give us a little bit about your background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your Ph.D. is in psychology?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in clinical psychology.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I got my Ph.D. from the University of Washington in Seattle in 1978.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Originally, you were working with human sexuality, matters of sexuality, human type things.
		And I'm wondering how you get from that to a study or even an interest in parapsychology.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it was a pretty interesting transition.
		And there was a period of time towards the end of graduate school where I wasn't quite certain whether I was going to be a clinical psychologist or a parapsychologist or a sexologist.
		And what ultimately happened is I was all of those things, and it became incorporated in the work that I was doing.
		I was in the University of Washington in the clinical psychology program, but my specialty area was human sexuality.
		And I was thinking at that time when I entered the program that I would stay within the university, that I would ultimately become the director of a sexology program in a major university, because that was at the time when they were just beginning to bring human sexuality into the medical school, and it was an area that was really on the cutting edge at the time.
		But what happened is once I was in the university long enough, and I went straight through for 10 years, I began to be aware of all of the politics in that structure and decided that I didn't want to go through another seven years of getting tenure and not being able to do really what I wanted to do because it was too controversial.
		So I decided that when I graduated that I would ultimately do research, I would write, I would teach, I would do therapy.
		And I set it up privately by beginning as the research director or the research coordinator at the Center for Marital and Sexual Studies in Long Beach, California.
		And essentially what I was doing is doing research.
		I was writing grant proposals.
		I was about to teach at California State University at Long Beach.
		And that's where I began my private practice.
		But then after being there for a year, I began my trek east.
		And I was in Arizona for a year and then ultimately moved back to West Virginia and Pennsylvania where I spent all of the 80s.
		But while I was studying for my doctoral exam, I received a brochure from some kind of an organization in Portland.
		And it was about a conference called The Mind Can Do Anything.
		And I had never at that time gone into any kind of consciousness seminars or anything like that and was really quite surprised to receive something like that and wanted to go there because my daughter was, who at that time was about 13, she was having psychic unusual experiences, especially in her sleep.
		She would see entities sometimes in her room.
		And there was going to be somebody speaking a famous woman I don't know if you've heard of her her name was Olga Warrall and she was a famous healer I believe from the Baltimore area she sinks the seed and she was going to be speaking about psychic children so I specifically went there to learn about that but one of the other speakers was Dr. Selma Moss and I believe that Dr. Taft might have worked with her she was the famous parapsychologist at UCLA how much I'm going to sort of ask an off-the-track
art bell ▲ ● ▼		now because you're qualified to answer it.
		I frequently wondered, you know, you hear all the time people say, we don't know everything about the human mind.
		How much actually do we know about the human mind?
		What it's capable of?
		How many of its resources we really use?
		That sort of thing?
		You hear people say we only use a very small percentage of our brain.
		Is that true?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly what we hear all the time, that from a physiological standpoint anyway, that we're using a very small percentage of the brain's ability.
		And there's certainly indications that when somebody has had a head injury, there is a technique called, I believe it's called Feldenkrais.
		I believe that's the right term.
		And people are actually taught how to develop new neural pathways when there has been some kind of damage.
		or just to expand their ability to have more neural pathways.
		And if that is possible, and they do this through different kinds of positions and breathing and a variety of different physical approaches that seems to do this, that certainly tells us.
		And also that the brain can compensate when there has been injury.
		So we certainly know that the brain has the ability to somehow, I don't know if you would, I don't know if you would, I don't know if it should be the right term, sort of to rewire itself in some way.
		So, and just from all that we're beginning to see in terms of psychic abilities, that we know that we know that there is the potential for so much more.
		And some people just seem to be more capable, or have been trained in such a way like the remote rulers, where they're using their mind in a different capacity than...
		Well, this is exactly...
unidentified		Well, this is exactly...
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is exactly what I'm asking.
		In other words, we have a big project now to map the human genome.
		And we're just really beginning.
		There's a long, long way to go.
		There certainly is.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And it's kind of like a whole frontier that we're exploring.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the most exciting frontier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how much of the...
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		We're going internally now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		How much of the brain have we actually mapped?
		Do we know everything that goes on in there, a little bit of what goes on, or how much do we know about the brain?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I really wouldn't be able to answer that.
		When I was in graduate school, my minor was psychophysiology.
		But that was...
unidentified		I graduated in 1978.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		there's so much that has been done since then and I just don't feel that my expertise is in the physiology of the brain I'm more interested in the psychic aspect of the brain and one of the things that did happen towards the end of graduate school that was very interesting and ties into the remote viewing is when I was going back to the University of Washington, by this time I was doing my internship down at the VA Hospital in Long Beach, and I was going back up to the University of Washington because I needed to do my doctoral defense.
		This is the kind of a final procedure before you get your PhD.
		I stopped at Stanford Research Institute and met with Hal Putoff and Russell Park.
		Their book, Mindreach, had just come out where they had done their pioneering work in remote viewing and all of that work that they did with Ingo Swan.
		And I met with them for several hours.
		They took me to lunch and we talked and we went through the labs.
		And so right from the very beginning, I was interested in remote viewing.
		And that was, of course, at a time before it began to, well, it probably was already moving in that direction, but at least in mind reach, they weren't talking as much about the military applications.
		But that's certainly the direction that it went into after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I take it then you looked pretty carefully into remote viewing and I've had a number of them on the air as I'm sure you're aware.
		My question is, do you consider remote viewing to be a valid discipline or science?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I believe that it's a very valid discipline and that the protocols are set up in a very systematic way, but I also think that you have to take into consideration that there can be some, I don't know if this is the right word, would be bleed-through or interaction with, say, you have a monitor working with you, a person that is working with a remote viewer.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		When I first read Courtney Brown's book back a year ago, The Cosmic Voyage, I happened to know because of my connections with the Bigelow Foundation that his monitor was Ed Danes, even though he had not said that in the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he all but says it but doesn't say it on the show.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And of course, that's all come out since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His monitor definitely was Ed Daines.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, I happened to know that because of the things that I had known through the Bigelow Foundation.
		I also knew, and in fact I remember back when you were doing your show, Area 2000, I remember you talking at the time.
		In fact, it was George Knapp was on your show one time, and he was talking about, this is when Ed Danes was in the New Mexico area.
		And do you remember when he was saying that there was going to be a very large ship and it was going to be landing in New Mexico and there would be these reptilian children?
unidentified		Yes.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, do you remember all of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't ever know quite exactly what happened with that, but I do know that that was something that he felt very, very strongly about.
		But when I read Courtney Brown's book and saw that there was a lot coming through related to New Mexico, ETs, et cetera, I began to wonder, well, I wonder how much of this was bleed through telepathically from Ed Dames and that he was picking up on things related specifically to Ed Dames.
		Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but I think you do have to look at the fact that there's undoubtedly some kind of an interaction that goes on between the monitor and the person doing the remote viewing.
		Yet they have set it up in such a systematic way that I think it's a very valid kind of an approach.
		And there's so much evidence now to show that they have come up with extraordinary things and that many very average people can do this or can certainly be taught how to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've asked them whether they can detect the presence of another remote viewer.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		You mean when somebody is tuning in to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And just about everybody has said yes.
		That it would be very, very apparent if there was somebody else tuned in, tapped in, whatever, or close by, also remote viewing, for example, the same target.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, I remember that me talking to Courtney one time about that.
		I think this was on the November 14th show when he was talking about the Hailbox companion.
		Yes.
		And one of the things that he had said is it would also depend upon what you were doing at the time.
		It would depend on what you were focusing on.
		If you were somewhat distracted or focused on something else, you might not detect the presence at that moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess they have proven scientifically what can be done, but I could imagine a lot of distracting or even disinformation.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's certainly open to that, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Disinformation can definitely.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		In fact, that's really interesting because I'm very curious about the discrepancy between Courtney Brown's group at the Farsight Institute and Ed Gaines' group in terms of the Flight 800.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		180 degrees apart.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And what's so curious to me is that I happen to have an associate that I work with who is a retired FAA person who has the gift, although sometimes he has felt it the curse, to tune in to airplane crashes.
		And this has just been something that has gone on with him for many years.
		It's not something that he wants.
		It's something that has just happened to him.
		And we worked together very closely during the time right after that crash.
		We definitely came up with material, detailed material, that would be much more supportive of Courtney Brown's group.
		And in fact, we put all of the transcripts together with a cover letter from me and sent them to the FBI and received a thank-you note and offered his services to help them.
		And then nothing ever happened after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I heard a report earlier today on CNN about Flight 800.
		And the FBI is now, and I didn't hear the whole thing.
		You know, I heard part of it.
		It always happens that way.
		But they're looking for a missile launcher.
		And that would be supportive, certainly, of Courtney Brown's version.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way that my associate had seen this was as a missile launched from a boat.
		And we did all of this through some pretty intensive hypnosis work.
		And it was extraordinary what he was coming up with and what he came up with in terms of the aftermath and the potential for a cover-up and quite a variety of things that were in great, great detail, including names and locations and where the goat was kept.
		Just a lot of detailed information, including even the name of a book that he was supposed to go to the library to get immediately after our work together, and he did, and it turned out that the book was a whole book filled with photographs of missiles.
		And he was able to pick out from that what the missile was that he had seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get involved with the Bigelow Foundation?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		What had happened is, do you remember the Roper study?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, when they had done the Roper study, they had put together, which for your listeners, by the way, this is sort of like a Gallup poll, but they were interested in including a few questions that would indicate whether somebody might have had an abduction experience.
		And these were questions that were embedded in other questions.
		So it wasn't like people weren't asked directly, have you been abducted by ETs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were not led into it.
unidentified		Right.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		It was a question that might be something like, have you ever felt there were entities in your room?
		Have you ever felt a sense of paralysis?
		There was a number of questions that would tie somebody in with some of what people report in an abduction.
		And once they got their response, they were really quite surprised to discover how many people had answered in the affirmative.
		It was rather significant.
		And ultimately, they put together a booklet that was sent out to therapists all over the country.
		Well, I received information about this booklet, and then somebody sent me a copy of it.
		Well, actually, they told me about it on the telephone, and I said, well, who sent this booklet out?
		And they just read in the corner of, you know, the return address that the Bigelow Holding Company, Las Vegas, Nevada.
		So what I did is I sent a note to the Bigelow Holding Company just wanting to know about what kind of work they were doing and putting out this kind of booklet because I felt it was very appropriate to educate therapists about this phenomenon.
		And I received a telephone call from Mr. Bigelow.
		And we ended up, I was in Orange County, Southern California at the time, working at the skeleton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, stand by.
unidentified		We'll be back to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Dr. Barbie Taylor is my guest, and she will be back in a moment from Las Vegas.
		We're going to cover a lot of very interesting territory tonight.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is real levitation possible?
		Oh, yes, absolutely.
		I have done it.
		I have seen it.
		And I'm telling you, it is true.
		That is an object hovering in midair with no apparent support.
		In fact, no support other than magnetic.
		No strings, no tricks, no baloney.
		The Levitron anti-gravity top has been called by the American Association of Physics teachers the best new science toy in a generation.
		No batteries, no electricity, just permanent magnetism, and it works.
		And it's amazing.
		People inevitably gather around and go, what?
		What?
unidentified		What is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of reaction.
		Elsewhere, you can find it maybe for about 50 bucks here.
		$35 plus $5 shipping and handling.
		And they give you a 24-minute instructional video.
		Watch it.
		The number to call is 1-800-275-2877.
		That's 1-800-275-2877.
		Now, back to Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		Doctor, are you there?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I certainly am, and I must agree, I think the flowers are very romantic.
		I used to be known as the Romance Doctor at one time.
		I think that would be a fabulous romantic gift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it does work, doesn't it?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it does.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		It would impress me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to Roper for a moment.
		It made all the wire services.
		What were the essential results of the survey?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Essentially, there was a significant number of people who checked some of these questions related to these rather paranormal or odd experiences that they had that could also be contributed to maybe being abducted at one time.
		And in fact, they did it a number of times.
		They did this study, I believe, maybe even three times.
		Now, this was all before I even worked at the Bigelow Foundation, but I believe they did it about three times because they were so surprised with the results that they were getting.
		And then once the results were analyzed and they put together the booklet, part of what they were saying to therapists is that you need to pay attention that there is the potential that what might seem as though a client is having some kind of experience related to child abuse or sexual abuse may actually be related to an abduction situation.
		So they wanted to educate therapists.
		And after that, and this was during the time I was at the Bigelow Foundation, they had a team of experts who went around the country and once a month were offering free seminars for therapists to talk to them about what they found in the ROPR study and to talk with them more about the potential that people could have had an abduction experience.
		So it was really quite an educational opportunity for therapists who maybe would not have been exposed to that material through any other way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what were the rough results?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how many people could you conclude might have been abducted percentage?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		All right, now I cannot remember the exact data because all of that was done before I was there.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		That had nothing to do with the project that I worked on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		What was interesting about the project I worked on is here I had this connection with Mr. Bigelow calling me and we engaged in a long conversation and then I came up to Las Vegas and met with him and then he came down to Los Angeles where I was doing some work there with P. Setty and with research having to do with UFOs and it was at that time we decided that I would become a consultant and the project that he gave me was to find the world's greatest medium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world's greatest medium.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now I was blown away when I got that project because I thought that I would either be the research coordinator for the various projects going on through the foundation or that I would specifically be working in the field of UFOs because I had been interested my whole life in that field and I had been working professionally since 1980 in that field and all of a sudden I get this project to find the world's greatest medium.
		At first I laughed and I said to him, well what am I supposed to do?
		Look in the yellow pages?
		Because I really wasn't quite sure where I was supposed to begin with it.
		And then I just decided, well, I'm very good at doing research.
		After all, that's what my PhD is about as a research degree.
		And if somebody's going to pay me to do parent psychology, I will do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so how do you do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you begin going to find the world's best medium?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, it led me into a five-month project where ultimately I was networking all over the world.
		And by the end of the project, I had lists of hundreds of mediums.
		One of the things that I found was that not London particularly, but the United Kingdom was the hotbed of medium activity.
		And when I'm talking about mediums here, I'm talking about the old-fashioned idea of a person who serves as a go-between with someone who has lost a loved one.
		That's essentially what my project was about.
		And it was fascinating.
		And it was through that work that ultimately I connected with Dr. Raymond Moody.
		And I just felt absolutely convinced by the end of my project.
		And part of what I did during this time, it wasn't just finding where they were located and getting lists and addresses and all that.
		Part of what my assignment was, was to go and have appointments with some of these people and then make an evaluation as to their level of accuracy.
		So I had the experience of having private sessions with some pretty extraordinary people, and I am absolutely convinced from my work that it's a very thin veil between here and the other side.
		And then, like I said, it ultimately led me to work with Dr. Raymond Moody, and in fact, that came about from listening to your interview with Dr. Moody on the Area 2000 show.
		I interviewed him right before his book reunions came out.
		I was driving to L.A. listening to your interview, and I immediately got the book and connected with them because I wanted to find out about whether they did any training with therapists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you're not ambiguous about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is another side.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have no doubt in my mind that we are eternal beings, that there is a very thin veil.
		There's indication scientifically that we seem to have more paranormal experiences when somebody is in delta, in that place of deep sleep.
		That's true, whether it's pulsarized activity or what many people will report when they're sleeping is they have what they perceive as dreams of departed loved ones.
		Well, maybe it's not dreams.
		Maybe we're just more accessible when they're in that state of consciousness because all of our normal defense mechanisms are down at that point.
		We don't have all of that chatter going through our minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I was asking you early on about the nature of the brain.
		I really, really believe that we have abilities.
		I've had a couple of experiences, one very strong one, that simply could not be explained.
		Well, yes, it could.
		It was precognition.
		I had a case, a real case of precognition.
		It's never happened since, nor before, but at the time, you know, it wasn't one of those things you wonder about.
		It was a pounding, tremendously strong reality.
		So much so it put me on my knees.
		It scared me.
		But it was precognition, but I've never had it since, and I have no idea what triggered it, how I could bring it back.
unidentified		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just happened.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, there was a period of time where I was asking each of my clients whether they had ever had what they would consider a paranormal experience.
		And one of the things that I discovered in asking that was that having some sort of a connection with a deceased loved one seemed to be the most common experience that people reported.
		And this might have been just a momentary seeing this person or hearing their voice, but I think that there's much more of that that goes on and people just don't talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I were to ask you about the nature of the other side, through your research, what have you divined?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I guess I'm asking, what's it like over there?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, in terms of what I have read, because during this time that I was doing this project, one of the things that Mr. Bigelow and I did is we collected all kinds of books from the turn of the century when there was so much interest in spiritualism.
		And so I read so much material and then also, like I said, met with some extraordinary mediums, including I had the opportunity to meet with George Anderson.
		Do you know who he is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And he is, he was actually the person that Mr. Bigelow was most interested in having me connect with.
		And when that connection finally came, it was at Dr. Raymond Moody's home in Alabama.
		But he did a reading for the small group that was there and picked up information about my father.
		He did not know me at all.
		He knew nothing about me.
		He picked up information about my father that was just so accurate in a communication and then even tied it in with my grandfather where he even came up with a name.
		And then fairly recently I had an interview with a medium here in Las Vegas.
		Her name is Margaret Gentz.
		She's from Australia.
		And in the same way, he was tuning into my father, picking up information.
		Again, I'd never met her.
		She knew nothing about me.
		And in the same way that it happened with George Anderson, she says, oh, by the way, George says hello.
		And that was my grandfather's name.
		And both she and George Anderson picked up that name.
		And it was very much the same kind of thing.
		Oh, by the way, George is here and he says hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that implies such a conscious remembrance of life.
		And that's very, very interesting to me.
		In other words, whatever is on the other side would seem to be a continuation of the present consciousness we have now without a great deal of change.
		I mean, for somebody to be able to say, and oh, by the way, so-and-so says hello, it's kind of like there's a big neighborhood over there.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, even more than that, he was, my father was a physician, and he was saying, and she did not know that, but both she and George Anderson talked about him still being involved in healing and helping people.
		And then she kept seeing these books.
		She thought possibly he was a professor or something like that.
		It seems like it was philosophy or something to her.
		But then as she continued to talk, it was that he was very actively interested at that time in alternative medicine and Edgar Casey.
		And that was not something that my dad, that my father talked about when he was living.
		But apparently in his role on the other side, he's very actively interested in this.
		And one of my fields of specialty is alternative medicine.
		So she said that, you know, he has a great deal of interest in this area and is working with you in this regard.
		And it made me feel as though my father and I are even more connected now because we share this area of interest and that in some way he is helping me and assisting me.
		Now, I don't know exactly in what way that is, but it was just so interesting, both what he picked up on and what Margaret Dant and what George Anderson picked up on, not knowing me at all, nor knowing anything about my father.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I assume you were, in effect, commissioned by Mr. Digelow to go and do this, find the way to the best mediums.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of report did you write after all of this investigation?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I did with him is I wrote a report at the end of each week.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		So I would let him know at the end of each week what I had explored during that period of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you find fraud?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't in what I was doing.
		Now, I know from my reading that there were times that there were fraud, especially back in some of the camps that people went through at the turn of the century when spiritualism was so actively pursued by so many people, both in this country and in Europe.
		Sometimes there was fraud involved.
		But that does not mean that just because there was some fraud, that everything is fraudulent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Well, it was obviously your job to separate as you could and to verify, did you conclude that the mediums were the real thing?
		Is that what that was?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I felt very positive about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		And again, what you said seems to indicate that whatever's on the other side, do you think it is a dimensional understanding Is it a different dimension?
		Can we think of it like that?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		What is my sense of it?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I really, in my book, I Break the Butterflies, which will be out in 1997, sometime this year.
unidentified		One of the things that I quote about is when you talk about the current, you use the term the quickening.
unidentified		Yes.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I believe that's a wonderful term.
		I talk sometimes about the changes.
		I talk sometimes about the cleansing or the dimensional shift.
		I think that we're actually going through a period of time where the planet is going through a frequency shift or a dimensional shift.
		And I think that in terms of where we are and what we perceive as the other side, I think it is a dimensional situation, which just has to do with frequency.
		It has to do with how quickly somebody is vibrating.
		I think that there can be things going on right here in this room where I am right now that I may not be perceiving because it's at a different frequency than what I perceive.
		Just as we see a certain frequency in terms of color or we hear a certain frequency, yet we know that there's a much broader range beyond what we can see or beyond what we can hear, I believe that perceptual reality is like that, that we perceive something within a rather narrow range, that there's much more going on beyond what we can perceive.
		And some people who are particularly trained or particularly gifted can perceive more, whether they can see angels or entities or whether they can hear things that others might not hear.
		You know, people have different ways of picking up on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you said frequency.
		Since you're a psychologist, let me ask you this.
		Suppose hard science, hard science, was able to come up with some sort of contraption that would allow, in effect, a doorway, complete interaction, with the other side.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that that has been done and is being done.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		During the time that I was doing this work at the Digimo Foundation, I know you know who Angela Thompson is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know Angela well.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Angela was the research coordinator at the same time that I was the outside consultant.
		So she worked directly in the office, and I was working on outside projects, or one particular outside project.
		But we would meet each week with Mr. Bigelow.
		While she was coordinating all of these projects, and this was a few years ago, this was actually, I was working on this in 1992, and she was there through 92 and 93.
		But one of the projects that she was looking at was how people are using electronic devices to be able to communicate with the other side.
		And there was something that was going on at the time that was in Europe where people were using computer monitors, and they were actually getting images on the computer monitor.
		I believe at the time it was Einstein, Nicholas Tesla, I'm not sure who else, seemed to be coming through through this computer monitor where they could actually see an image and have some sort of a communication.
		Now, again, since that wasn't my particular project, I didn't follow it all the way through, but I remember reading a newsletter about that particular work.
		And there was a whole field of parapsychology that was built around this work with electronic devices, whether you were using a tape recorder or whether you were using a computer or whatever it might be that you were using in order to communicate with entities on the other side.
		Just like with Dr. Taft's photograph, they were using some kind of electronic equipment to pick up something that you could not see visibly, but they were getting things that obviously were there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		But suppose we actually developed, I hesitate to use the word stargate.
		I'm just going to use the word gate, that literally allowed transition from this side to that side.
		It would change the world.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you one of the things that Dr. Ludy was talking about when I was back there, and this must have been, let's see, I've got my Theater of the Mind certificate right here on the wall of my office.
		So this was in August of 1994.
		He was talking about some research, and I don't know how far he's gone with this now, but he was talking at the time about using some of the psychomantium research, which was using a mirror as a reflective device to have apparition appear of your departed loved ones.
		But going beyond that, having some kind of a place where they would have a person who had already had near-death experiences, so they weren't afraid of the death process and had had some exposure to the other side.
		And then having this sort of like a dome-type structure with the whole ceiling being nears and having the patient there as they're going through the death process and the facilitator working with them and somehow being able to go part weight on the journey with the person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know how far they carried that research because I know that Dr. Moody had some health challenges and other things happen within his family after that.
		But they were talking about doing something like that, and I thought that was just fascinating.
		And it's sort of a technological way to do something that shamans do.
		You know, shamans for thousands of years have been able to train themselves to travel interdimensionally to work with those individuals that they work with, whether it's through healing or the death process or whatever.
		So it's sort of a way of doing that.
		And I don't know how far they got with it, but I thought it was a wonderfully fascinating idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that he was doing some research that he was hesitant to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He talked about a lot of it, but he said there's a lot of stuff going on right now that I can't talk about.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		He is such a brilliant scholar and such a lovely man.
unidentified		What he likes to do is he really likes doing the research.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		He likes getting into the historic material, traveling to Greece, learning about the, you know, learning about all of the ancient understandings of what went on with the, what was that called?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the movie Flatliners?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I never saw the movie.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you never saw it.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I will tell you a little more about it after the break and we'll discuss it.
		Stay right there.
		Dr. Barbie Taylor is my guest, and she is in Las Vegas.
		She'll be back right after the news, as will I. This is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
unidentified		you Thank you.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		My guest is Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		And somehow we had a kind of a lousy phone connection as we sometimes get to.
		I live in Perump, Nevada, which is 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
		Now, one would think that a telephone connection to Las Vegas would be a piece of cake.
		But I can get better connections to Cairo, Egypt, London, England, Tokyo, Japan, or Sydney, Australia than I can get to Las Vegas.
		Don't ask me why.
		But we're going to pick up Dr. Taylor at the bottom of the hour, and she's going to switch locations, and we're going to see if we can get a little bit of a better connection.
		The topic is fascinating, and we'll get back to it in a moment.
		All right, a couple of items.
		A couple of items, and very interesting items at that.
		One is, I want you to be sure to get up to my website, and tonight would be a good night to try when I said last night everything went into gridlock, as it so many times does.
		Dr. Barry Taff, who was on Dreamland, is going to be on this program Friday night, Saturday morning.
		He was the principal investigator into the case that later became known as the Entity with Barbara Hershey, the movie.
		Only he sent me the photographs from the real case.
		And they are on my website, and I want to be darn sure you get to see them before the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		I mean, witnesses sitting around, one photograph you'll see, several witnesses themselves with cameras from a major university in this young lady on the bed and this,
		I wouldn't know what to call it, energy, not an aura, but energy completely surrounding her, and about four or five additional photographs, some of other cases that simply are way beyond any explanation.
		So you go up there and take a look.
		It's www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell.com.
		Another item would be, I don't know how many of you heard it in LA, no doubt you would have.
		My good friend, Mr. KABC, gave me a call and we chatted a little bit.
		He does a program very much like mine in the sense that we do not screen calls.
		There are very, very few people in the industry who do not screen calls.
unidentified		And to me, it's more fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he feels the same way.
		And so that's how we met.
		And he came up here and we had a great visit.
		We kind of told that story.
		And now he precedes me, of course, on KABC in Los Angeles.
		And it's going to be quite a combination.
		So that was fun.
		Now, I received a fax, unfortunately, at the end of the show last night.
		Actually, I'm sorry, email.
		And the signal appears to be now gone.
		But Marty in Iowa, Iowa, mind you, middle of the country, wrote me an email saying for the past several evenings, I've been getting an extremely strong signal centered on 5720 kilohertz lower sideband.
		And so I was very curious, and I tuned 5720, and by golly, there it was.
		And it was the strangest signal I've ever heard.
		Now, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it right now because as of tonight, it is not there.
		But last night, it was just slamming in.
		And I've heard a lot of radio in my years because it's what I do.
		I've never heard a signal like that.
		And if some of you would be kind enough to check 5720 kilohertz lower sideband, I would appreciate it from time to time.
		It's not there now, at least I don't think it is.
		But if you begin to hear that signal, please tax me, email me, call me, whatever, because I want a lot of people to listen.
		I want to know where it's coming from and what it is.
		Enough said.
		Now, with Dr. Barbie Taylor, we were talking about the other side.
		She was commissioned by the Bigelow Foundation to investigate the world's best mediums, you know, in an effort to try and find out if there is something on the other side.
		And in the first hour, we talk about the nature of the brain, how much we know about the brain, whether or not, toward the end of the hour, it might be possible to, in effect, open, let me back up.
		If the difference between this side and what is called the other side is frequency, then it might be possible in the hard sciences to create, in effect, a gate.
		You know, I don't want to use the well-worn stargate scenario, but you get the idea.
		Some kind of gate that would allow transference from that side to this and this side to that.
		What would the implications be, can you imagine, of such a portal?
		Could it be done?
		Maybe.
		Does it involve the very nature of time or dimensionality?
		I don't know, but I have a feeling that if we move and there are people doing work like Dr. Raymond Moody, and she mentioned Dr. Moody, if we do work in this area, it may become possible.
		And imagine the implications of that.
		Here's a fact I just got.
		Well, well put, Art, your thoughts about death being more of a continuation.
		For NBEs, at least for this one, the dividing line between death and the afterlife is not the extreme delineation, the demarcation that it was prior to the experience.
		It is, in effect, a connecting flight.
		Just no luggage allowed.
		Someone once said, we are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
		We are spiritual beings on a human journey.
		That's Bob in Austin, Texas.
		And that is a very interesting way to think about it.
		We are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
		Even though we perceive ourselves that way.
		We're human, we're flesh and bone, with mortality and a limited time here.
		Instead, you might want to think of yourself as a spiritual being on a rather short human journey.
		At any rate, we'll take a few calls.
		We'll pick up Dr. Barbie Taylor again at the bottom of the hour and continue with this.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I've been trying all evening to get you.
unidentified		You're on the radio about after death and so forth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I died in 1991 on November 12th.
		And I know a lot about it and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're getting a call there, sir?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to take your call or?
unidentified		What do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got call waiting or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going off.
unidentified		I got call waiting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you do.
unidentified		Oh, I got, you know what I got?
unidentified		I got a bad cord here and it clicks everyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see, I see.
unidentified		The line ain't tapped or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What is it that killed you?
		Huh?
unidentified		A heart attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A heart attack, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for how long were you without, you know, pulse and respiration?
unidentified		Well, I don't know because when I was back in my body again, I was told I was on the operating table for 10 hours or something like that.
		And my daughter said I was green.
		I turned green.
		The way it happened, I came out of a fast food restaurant, and I was sitting at a stoplight waiting for a left turn behind a car.
		And all of a sudden, I heard a voice in the car tell me, turn into the gas station, Walter.
		And it said it three times, turn into the gas station, Walter.
		So I listened to the voice because it got pretty rough at the third time they told me.
		It was my mother's voice.
		So I turned into the gas station and she said, turn your engine off on ACC and turn your blinkers on.
		And then that was the last thing I remember there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And next I was out, I felt that I was, where my car was setting, I felt that I was laying on the back end of a truck and that the whole truck was glowing inside.
		It was cold and I was laying on the bed of that truck.
		And I asked everybody around her.
		There was no truck there.
		I guess I was on the other side.
		But you can, the way to get out of your body is to find out what the other side is.
		You have the instrument to do it, your brain and so forth.
		You tune in on approximately seven or eight cycles per second, approximately hypnosis state, and you can walk out of your body.
		When you're out of your body, you can walk through walls and everything else.
		And you can float through the air or you can go from one place to another automatically.
		You don't travel.
		You just appear from one place to another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you remember of the other side other than the truck?
unidentified		Well, you can be any age you want to be on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking you, sir, what you remember.
unidentified		Well, I remember I went through like a tunnel and there were all different colors all around me, all kinds of flashing type color lights lighting.
		And it was in like a whirling, whirling type thing.
		And then at the end of that, there was a real bright light and so forth.
		And he got his light.
		And he communicated through telepathy on it.
		And I told the nurse in the hospital I wanted to tell her about it.
		They sent me up to psychiatric ward.
		They wanted to check me and see if I was crazy.
		Because I told her there was a God and so forth.
		But I could sit for hours and tell you different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did they send you?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did the door lock behind me if I went up there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they discern about you?
unidentified		I got a problem with them.
		I told them that they can't do that kind of stuff and everything else.
		I didn't tell them anymore after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, thank you.
		I agree.
		If you had an experience like that, if you came close to death and thought you had seen God or our Maker or whatever force lies beyond, I believe there is something, they probably would send you to see a psychiatrist, maybe a Dr. Taylor, who knows.
		And I suppose that if you began to sense that what you were saying to them was being regarded as psychiatric illness, that you might quickly back away and say, oh no, now I realize now, you know, it was a dream, and I'm fine.
		Let me get the hell out of here.
		Thank you very much.
		I'm fine.
		Have a nice day and leave.
		In other words, not press your case, lest you end up in a rubber room.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guess what?
		What?
		What?
unidentified		I'm not a first-time caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, in that case, you're out of there.
		Guess what, sir?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guess not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
		Hello.
		This is Jake in Yakima.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jake.
unidentified		Hey, I got a friend in Cedar Rapids, and he says he can't get your show in Iowa?
unidentified		What station would he find at?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, WLS, I'm sure, would come banging in.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm kind of surprised because I think when I've done that, I've been able to pick that pretty well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be a number of stations that he could get.
unidentified		WLS is a good one.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I'll tell him that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course it's a good one, sure.
unidentified		Hey, you had that guy on your show last night that wanted to take a hit off his bong on the air?
unidentified		He did do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KXTK in Des Moines, Iowa would be another one.
unidentified		KXTK?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		940.
unidentified		940, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have them try that, all right?
unidentified		You think I could take a hit off my crackpipe on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		That's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, it was asinine enough last night.
		I mean, after the guy took his hit, I said, I want your social security number.
		Idiot read it on the air.
unidentified		Did you write it down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course.
unidentified		Could you have it something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could.
unidentified		Hey, do you remember the TV show Twin Peaks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Did you like that show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had mixed feelings about it.
unidentified		It kind of went south after a while, didn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was intriguing.
unidentified		Because I used to really like that show, and I kind of missed it.
		I used to sit up all night and weep until I found your show.
		Now I sit up all night and listen to your show.
		I really used to like that show.
		It's kind of too bad that they got rid of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a great departure from anything else that has ever been done.
		I was not a big Twin Peaks fan.
		I watched it once or twice, and I don't know.
		It was all right.
		It was certainly a departure, but it did not catch on with me.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Yes, sir.
		Let me turn off my radio.
		Yes.
		Oh, by all means, do that right away.
unidentified		This is Boyd Holmes from St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I was calling about the guy he just was talking about.
unidentified		He had a heart attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In a gas station.
unidentified		Well, about a year ago, I was shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were shot?
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were shot?
unidentified		Yeah, I was shot.
unidentified		And I was shot four times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were shot four times?
unidentified		I was shot four times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, I don't frequently talk to people who were shot, even once, much less four times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did that happen?
unidentified		Oh, I was waiting on the bus to go to work, and the guy came around the corner with a rifle, 22 rifle, and shot me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody you knew?
unidentified		No.
		There was a robbery attempt.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You were shot four times.
		What happened?
unidentified		Okay.
		What ensued after that was, you know, pretty much blew my mind.
		I remember giving the police report and all that, and then I went out.
		They took me to the hospital.
		From what I remember, okay, they sewed me up and sent me back home.
		But then weird things started happening in going home.
		Home was all different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, you don't generally get shot four times and treated as an outpatient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where were you shot?
unidentified		I was shot in the upper abdomen.
unidentified		One bullet, howled right over the rib cane, howled off the ribcane, right with the heart, and went out one side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Went out your side.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were hit by three additional bullets.
unidentified		Three additional bullets.
		Well, one bullet.
		Yeah, you're correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could you possibly be treated as an outpatient?
unidentified		I don't know.
		Let me go on and you'll figure it out.
		Anyway, a friend of mine from work, a co-worker from work team picked me up, took me back home.
		And things were juxtaposition.
		They were not quite what they were supposed to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
unidentified		And then the real weird thing happened.
unidentified		The guy just called talked about a truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay, the last thing I remember, I was on this island.
		It was a thousand islands up in Canada.
		And it was at the great castle they have on one of the islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I've got a break.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you be willing to hold on?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Because I'm a feeling this is going to be interesting.
		I wonder if he was in another dimension.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		Top of the morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		And we're going to try to get back to Dr. Barbie Taylor here in a few moments.
		But I've got a caller on hold.
		The man was shot four times.
		He said they sewed him up and sent him home.
		And I thought for a moment, uh-uh, this one doesn't work.
		But now I think I know where he's going.
		He got home and nothing was right.
		Sir, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So when you say nothing was right, everything was out of place or different or yes.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
unidentified		When I got home, I lived in two places in St. Louis.
		Okay.
		One was down a place called Dago Hill.
		The other place was down in Cherokee area.
		Okay, the latter place, which was Cherokee, the Cherokee house was sitting up on Dago Hill.
		And it was like, I'm sitting there scratching my head, you know, what's going on?
		I couldn't figure it out.
		It wasn't quite clicking.
		A few people were doing things that were real out of the ordinary stuff and just couldn't figure out.
		Anyway, as things went on, my boss gave me a trip to Canada, okay, to the Thousand Islands.
		I thought this was even weird, even getting weirder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of character from my boss.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		And so me and my friend went to the Thousand Islands.
		And we arrived on the island that had this castle on it and took the tour.
		Somehow I got separated from my friend and I was down in like a loading dock area.
		And from around, from a distance, I saw this vehicle.
		The other guy mentioned a truck.
		And this was a truck, and it was headed right for me.
		So I ran behind the wall.
		It ran to the brick wall and stopped sort of hitting me.
		And the driver of the vehicle, that was, I mean, even got three, this even more creatures.
		He was surrounded by like a rainbow of lights.
		I couldn't quite make out his face a whole lot, but the lights were very prominent around him.
		And he waved me towards him.
		And, of course, I refused after about four or five times.
		He gave up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		And soon after that, when I finally, I guess I pulled out of the coma.
		Here I was in a coma for three weeks.
		Wow.
		And then he.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that is really incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, during that time, that coma, you were in an alternative and near reality, but not reality.
unidentified		Not reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not this reality.
		Oh, that's an amazing story.
		I really thank you for it, sir.
		And I take it you pulled out and came back to this world.
unidentified		It took me about another six months out of the hospital before I mentally pulled out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now you're making sense.
		I really appreciate the call.
		There you go.
		That's exactly what I was talking about.
		There's a man who went somewhere else.
		Just went somewhere else.
		And then when the time came, he was returned, but actually lived another reality.
		The people were different.
		The physical setup was different.
		His boss gave him a trip to Canada, totally out of character.
		And then all of a sudden, they came.
		He, it came for him, and he came back.
		And when he did, he came out of the coma.
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		Hope she's okay.
		We will try that again here in a bit.
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		I found that last story absolutely riveting.
		Do you think there could be another side that is, in effect, simply an alternative reality?
		Or maybe there are many of them?
		I don't know.
		An interesting mystery, to be sure.
		You're on air.
		Hello.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		This is Dr. Barbie Taylor.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I just heard you say you were having difficulty reaching me, so I thought I better call you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
		I'm glad you have.
		You made it, huh?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I certainly did.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I heard the last part of what you were talking about with that gentleman in terms of a separate reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And you know what it reminded me of is that portion of Whitley Siever's book where in Breakthrough, where he was talking about coming off a freeway, he was with a young man, a friend of his son, and they went off the freeway, and then just for a moment, they were in a totally separate reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember that portion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very well.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I thought that was one of the most fascinating parts of his book.
		And they were confused for a period of time.
		He continued to drive.
		It was completely unfamiliar to him.
		The structures were unfamiliar.
		And then in a moment, he drove back another way, and he was back to our reality, but in a separate location.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, also, many times associated with these conscious things that occur, as we just discussed, there will be a green flash or a flash that will occur, and suddenly you're somewhere else.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I had not heard of that particular flash of light, especially at color.
		I certainly heard of people going into light, especially with the near-death experiences.
		But that's interesting.
		Where did that come from in terms of the green, flash, and black near experience of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was one of the, or several of the stories were told in which people were suddenly in utterly and completely different places, or even more interestingly, in the same place without the modern buildings there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as the same area would have been minus the way things are in the world right now.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly that makes it sound as though in some way they went into some kind of a time orb.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, whether we think of it as a future or a past or a dimensional shift or whatever it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Reality is just more than what we perceive through our five senses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that you've also worked with Dr. Stephen Greer of CSETI.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I was actually working very closely with Dr. Greer at the time that I became involved with the Bigelow Foundation.
		But what I was doing with Dr. Greer is I was the working group coordinator for Las Vegas, which meant that two Saturdays a month there was a team of people who were trained, and we went out into the field, out into the desert to different sites where we did the key study research using certain consciousness protocols to hopefully create some kind of an interaction with extraterrestrials or with chips.
		And I did this for about a year and a half as the working group coordinator.
		And then I also was on the executive council.
		So I worked very closely with the small group of people that were the kind of guiding thoughts behind what he said he was doing at the time.
		And we would frequently go back to Asheville, North Carolina to Dr. Greer's home.
		And we were gathering the most credible, the best available evidence at the time so that there could be briefing with world leaders about the fact that extrascills are here and have they visited the planet for a long period of time.
		It was an organization totally based upon diplomacy and on consciousness, which is the reason I became involved with it, because it was very positive.
unidentified		What were the results?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I left CSETI about a year and a half ago because I was very actively involved in working on my book at the time, and I just couldn't continue to do both.
		But I understand they had continued this project in doing the debriefing.
		I know that Dr. Greer, who is just a magnificent articulate leader, he had debriefed people at a very high level within the government.
		I know that that has continued even beyond what he had done to them.
		And I know that they have continued in gathering evidence.
		I believe he was on your Dreamland show not all that long ago where there's some talk about some case that he has received, a video that I believe from Scotland that is supposed to be one of the best videos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was also reported on by Lyndon Moulton Howe this last Sunday.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now has that, has anyone been able to view that publicly yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well I don't think we've seen it in this country, but the reports on the Internet are many, many, many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's going to make it over here eventually, and of course, I'm dying to see it.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're aware of the 6th Annual International UFO Congress that will be meeting in Loughland, Nevada in two weeks, January 18th.
		I'm wondering, and since that is also a film festival, I'm wondering if possibly that will be shown there.
		I don't believe Dr. Greer is on the program at this point, but I'm hoping maybe they'll make a special contact with him.
		Maybe that will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they're trying.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do hope that that happens.
		But one of the other things that I did with these studies, which was the most extraordinary experience that I had with UFOs, with, I shouldn't even call them a UFO.
		It wasn't an unidentified flying object.
		It was definitely a ship of some kind.
		But there were five of us who went down to Mexico to do research.
		This was in the beginning of 1993, shortly after I had moved to Las Vegas.
		We were there for six days.
		We were working in a very remote area east of Mexico City on the east side of the volcano there.
		And we had extraordinary interactions where in the middle of the night, in fact, the remote vivid encounter happened at 11.45 p.m.
		We were doing what they call coherent thought sequencing, which is a type of, it's sort of like remote viewing in a way.
		You're projecting your consciousness out into space and then creating a visual image for extraterrestrial consciousness and guiding them back to where you are located.
		We were in the process of doing a procedure like that, and Dr. Greer got, we had our eyes closed at the time, but he got the message, open your eyes, look to the north, which he did, and there was an amber light that was coming directly between the two volcanoes.
		We had a high beam light, which he flashed at the object, and he immediately yelled to us, this is it, this is the real thing.
		And as we opened our eyes and looked at this amber object, which was really quite low to the horizon, it immediately turned towards us, came very close to us.
		In fact, we were able to, using topographical maps and going back there to the St. Clark the next day to determine that it came within a mile of where we were located.
		It was already at a low altitude.
		It came even lower, and as it approached us, Dr. Greer flashed it two times.
		It flashed back at us two times as it was coming towards us.
		Then it kind of dipped down.
		We thought potentially it was going to land, but then it kind of pulled up.
		We saw the underside of the ship, and it was the triangle-shaped ship with these three white lights and the red light in the center.
		And then it flattened out again, went away from us, flashed back at us from the rear as we flashed it, again two times, and then flashed back two times.
		Then it went down over a ridge, a very low ridge.
		And what was so fascinating about that period of time when it was closest to us is that all of our equipment shut off.
		It was apparently the electromagnetic effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any sound?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		There was absolutely no sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No sound.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And this object, I would say, was we all estimated that it was probably about the size of a 747.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		So we're not talking about a small object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is going to sound far out, but let us imagine for a moment that these are not ETs.
		Let us imagine that these are craft from right here on Earth, something we have developed generations ahead, maybe from Area 51 or, you know, who knows.
		I've wondered about this for some time.
		I had a very, very, very close encounter with a triangular object.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I remember hearing about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, here in Broadway, Nevada.
		And there was no question about it.
		It was close.
		It was silent.
		It was triangular.
		It had the lights.
		It didn't fly.
		It floated directly over both my wife and myself and out across the valley.
		Other people here in the valley also saw it.
		So they exist.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there is no question about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if people like Dr. Steven Greer, people like yourself, people like myself, and at that time I was doing Area 2000, you'll recall.
		I wonder if we're not toyed with...
		If the people who are running these programs and these craft, they know roughly where I would be.
		They know where Dr. Greer would be.
		It's pretty well advertised where he goes.
		And I just wonder if we're not toyed with.
		For example, earlier today, I had three A-10 aircraft fly about 100 feet over my house.
		It was quite inexperienced.
		I stood out there and watched them.
		I mean, I could almost wave to the pilot.
		And I think they know that I'm located here, and I think they play with me.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a number of different things going on.
		I think that one of the things we have to recognize is when we talk about extras responsible, we're not talking about just one group of beings.
		That there are extras rescues that come from a variety of different places, and they have their own particular agendas for why they might be here.
		I personally believe, with a lot of evidence to support this belief, that there is a group of existressals that interact with our inner government, or whatever you want to call that aspect of our government that has been working on these black projects.
		And I think that, especially where you are, out in Philadelphia and here near Las Vegas that there definitely are things going on that relate more to some of our technology.
		I don't believe that's what was going on down in Mexico when we were down there.
		The reason that we had gone down and had that particular usage trip in the first place is because ever since, I believe it was July 11th of 1991 when they had the solar eclipse in Mexico City, they began having all of these multiple sightings.
		They've had a UFO flap, a very involved flap down in Mexico City, the largest city in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So much so that I understand that the people of Mexico City are almost now regarding the sighting of these objects with, what's the right word?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		That it's become normal.
unidentified		Normal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, it's become normal for them.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		They talk about it on national television.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		They don't have the same interaction about it with their government as we do here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, there have been several near-collisions of aircraft in the Mexico City area.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these objects, whatever in the heck they are.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, we saw not only this triangle craft, which, by the way, the very same thing happened again the next night, exactly at 1145, but instead of coming from the direction of the north and then coming towards us, it was coming from the east this time and came towards us and once again dipped in such a way that we could see the underside and see the lights and see it was the triangle craft.
		But we also saw a disk-shaped craft and there were three of us, Dr. Joseph Spurke and myself and the man who was doing our technical, handling our technical equipment.
		We saw a small disk-shaped craft about 2 o'clock in the afternoon and it was so close and so clear that it was absolutely the closest sighting that I have ever had.
		And totally, fully conscious, all three of us saw it at the same time.
		And we were so close to the volcano at that point that if it, my immediate, you know, your brain tries to make sense of what you're seeing.
		And my first immediate response is, oh, this is a small airplane taking off because it was kind of at an angle.
		And I believe we were looking at the side of a disk.
		So it looked sort of tubular, but it was very reflective of sunlight.
		It looked like a pinfoil in the sun.
		But then I immediately realized there was no insignia.
		There was no wings.
		There was not a tail.
		And if it was a conventional craft, it would have hit the volcano, which is an 18,000-foot volcano.
		And besides that, we had just hiked that whole area the day before.
		There was not even villages out there, much less an airport, and there was no sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'm beginning to get confused with regard to these objects and whether they are part of a mystical experience or whether they are really solid craft from elsewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, whether these are popping in and out of some other dimension or time or whether they're actually from another place far, far away.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I believe it can be all of the above.
		I don't think that those things are necessarily mutually exclusive.
		I believe that there are very real craft, nothing both kind of craft, but that they may have a technology of understanding the dimension of time and be able to go in and out of dimensions so that we would perceive them at one point and then maybe not perceive them at another point.
		So I think they can travel interdimensionally.
		And also, I believe that there are, that's about certain, that there are bases here, too, where these crafts are located, whether it's underground or in remote areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have a feeling you're right.
		And I don't know.
		Stand by, Doctor.
		We'll be back to you.
		Which of the above is true?
		But one of them is, because clearly, very clearly, something really is going on.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am, by the way, the big news of the day is Newt Gingrich was re-elected.
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		All right, back now to my guest, Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		We're talking about the nature of the other side and some of the things on this side.
		And I, you know, I wonder if there really is a difference, if we're dealing with different things, or perhaps if it isn't that other side sort of opening up, popping in to this side, strange as that may sound.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think part of what the clipping is about is about a dimensional shift.
		I think that in some ways we're sort of between third and fourth dimension at this point in time.
		But I believe that there's certain people who experience it more so than other people.
		And that those people who are beginning to awaken, let's call it their wake-up call, those people who are beginning to awaken to this level of understanding, I believe, will actually perceive things and possibly experience things as they evolve in the world and during this time of great change differently than those people who just are not soon bidden at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, try this theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead of somebody coming here or aliens coming here, what if at some point there simply is a more complete breakdown between the two sides?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I, again, don't find those things.
		I don't believe that they're mutually exclusive.
		I believe that there are extraterrestrial beings who have been interacting with us forever.
		In fact, I believe that we're here as a result of extraterrestrial beings who have been known as the gods throughout history.
		And I'm not saying that I don't believe that there is a creative life force.
		I do believe that there is a creative life force.
		But I believe that there has been this interaction forever.
		But yet at the same time, there also is an interdimensional aspect to what we perceive of as time.
		that time doesn't really exist as a linear form in the way that we think of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only as we make it so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have...
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's only relevant here in this third-dimensional reality, I think.
unidentified		That's other places.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I believe that's why when we get into those arguments and some scientists get into the arguments that, well, certainly there can't be visitations here from outer space because of the distance that would need to be traveled and because of the speed of light and so forth.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a misunderstanding and that these beings who are so much more evolved technologically than we are that they are able to travel through time in a different way than we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be true.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		So I really believe that there are time experimentations that are going on and that we know a great deal more than what has been revealed to most people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree again.
		Let us go to the phones.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Barbie Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning.
		Good morning to you both.
		Kim Dilbridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And to the doctor, excuse me, Art, you're absolutely right.
		Time is our creation.
		Just as my former better half was wont to quote someone who said that if God did not exist, it would be necessary for man to invent him.
		And I think he was absolutely right because he fancied himself an agnostic.
		And by the time we separated and ultimately divorced, he'd fallen in love with a woman who was an active Christian.
		And he was reading a book on how to think about God when he came to visit me one weekend.
		And he ultimately married the woman and embraced God.
		So he did find a need to invent God.
		And just as you said about time, it is a figment of our imagination, allows us to have a timeframe in which to organize our activities.
		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it also comes from the fact, thank you, that we are mortal beings.
		And so it is necessary that we measure time, if for no other reason than to know how much time we've got here, roughly, and to conduct our daily activities.
		So that's right.
		And it may well be that what we call the other side, for lack of a better term, simply may not measure time the way we do.
		You agree with that, Doctor?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I certainly think that that is undoubtedly very true, and that's why we can't quite perceive how it must be on the other side when we think in terms of reincarnation and we think about somebody coming back, we think, well, how long are they there before they would come back?
		You know, what period of time is there in between?
		Because we're constantly perceiving things in terms of this linear model of time.
		And I don't believe that's what, and I believe that quantum physics is beginning to show that that's not the way it really is.
unidentified		It's just the way we conceptualize it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, thank you very much.
unidentified		How's that lovely wife, Ramona, doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine, thank you.
unidentified		Good, that's great.
unidentified		Well, Doctor, I have a question for you.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that?
unidentified		I'd like to challenge you to something.
		The next time you get together with some of your colleagues and you're trying to draw something extraterrestrial into our atmosphere, why don't you just try just for the heck of it to see if you can draw some of those MIAs and POWs that are still working in Southeast Asia to see if they could come home?
		Do you think that's possible?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think in the type of technique that we're doing that that's going to be accomplished, but I certainly think it's important that there are people who continue to hold that in consciousness and deal with it in a political kind of a way so that that reality can happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Maybe he meant you went on a search, you had a job to go on a search for the world's best mediums.
		Well, maybe some of these POWs and MIAs are not with us on this side any longer.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting way to be thinking about it.
		I'm sure that that is true for some of them.
		Maybe some of Dr. Raymond Moody's techniques using the reunion technology could be put to good use in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
unidentified		Long.
		Yes.
		Watch out.
		Yes, with your program, you don't need sleep.
		You just keep rolling and rolling.
		Good thing.
		My son was recently put into a psychiatric hospital, and they gave him a drug to make him relax and sleep a lot.
		And since he's been on his drug, he seems to be hearing voices such as aliens from his grandfather and stuff.
		And Dr. Taylor had mentioned something earlier that when persons became more receptive in a certain claim of mine, and I was wondering if she maybe could go into it a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		He brings up a good point.
		The pharmacology aspect of things, people, doctor, are very hesitant to talk about this aspect because of the government attitude with regard to drugs.
		But whether it's a prescription mind-altering drug or an illicit mind-altering drug, would it be your opinion that that would be a chaff to an altered consciousness that may cause the brain to open itself to other things?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think certainly that some of that is going on, and when people are labeled as schizophrenic and they are hearing voices, of course, what the psychiatrists are usually trying to do is to use some sort of a medication to eliminate that.
		But I sometimes wonder how much, especially because of my background in parapsychology as well as in psychology, I wonder, well, how much is there some kind of a bleed-through that has to do with other realities, whereas we're looking at schizophrenia as more of just the brain chemistry?
		And I am certain from some of the work that I have done that there is such a thing as being affected by empathy.
		And in fact, I have even done some work with people.
		I don't know if you've ever talked to Dr. Edith Fiore, who she is a psychologist who has done some work with entity detachment or depossession, whatever terminology you might want to use.
		And I have done some of that work myself.
		And it is amazing as you're working with somebody in hypnosis and you may be talking to this entity that is there and residing within this person's consciousness or within their space.
		And then you begin to talk with this entity in such a way where you get the entity to go into the mic and help it understand that it needs to move on in its own growth.
		And then the person goes through a very significant, I've had this happen a number of times, where the person goes through a very significant sense of this entity leaving.
		They feel it physically, they perceive it at a visual level sometimes, and it changes their lives.
		I mean, it's really quite amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, how many people may be languishing in psychiatric facilities who shouldn't be there?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have speculated on that myself.
		Now, as a psychologist in private practice rather than as a psychiatrist, I am much more likely to be working with relatively well-functioning individuals who are just having some stress in one aspect of their life.
		So I'm not working with the people very often who are medicated, who are hospitalized.
		But I really believe that there is going to be a need for more professionals to begin to understand that there's more going on than just the way we have been trained about psychiatric disease, and that we need to understand from the psychological aspect that maybe there's more to reality than what we have thought, and that some of these people are being affected by LC, and that they need some help in detaching from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's another thing that you investigated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not only investigated, like I said, I have actually worked with people And helped them go through this process, and it's been quite significant for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about poltergeists?
		Dr. Chapp, who will be here Friday, will talk a great deal about poltergeists.
		And there seems to be an awful lot of evidence that poltergeist activity is absolutely real, and it seems to center many times around young teenage girls.
unidentified		Right.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		It may be some type of a more cytokinetic type of a thing where there's some kind of brain activity that's going on, feeder or something that is happening within that person's ability to affect matter or to affect material things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen anything move in the air?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not been involved in a situation where we were investigating pulsarized activity.
		Now, I know the Bigelow Foundation has been doing some work in that area, but this has been more recent, and that wasn't the project that I worked on.
		But I have directly worked with other individuals, with professionals, who have worked in those kinds of environments and who have told me about what they have experienced, and I felt that they were very credible, and I believed them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dr. Tapp has evidence of it, and he has seen it many times, as has Brad Seiger, for instance.
		I've interviewed him and so many others, and they've all seen this personally.
		Now, again, going back to the ability of our brain, it's why I asked, if we can move things with our brain, if we can move into another reality with our brain, just imagine, imagine the untapped,
		unknown portions of our brain that unless we, for example, these sessions or activities seem to occur, as you pointed out, and as Dr. Taft did, when there's something associated with a seizure.
		Well, clearly, when you have a seizure, something else is going on.
		What is going on in your brain?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, and there may be what they sometimes call a delta spike.
		Your caller was asking about what I was talking about, about delta.
		When we talk about brain wave frequency, the normal waking state would be what they call theta.
		The next level down, if you're going to be working with altered states of torque, either hypnotically or possibly meditation, would be alpha.
		The next level down would be theta at a deeper level.
		And then delta would be what we're in when we're in deep sleep.
		But there's apparently more things that can go on at that delta level than just deep sleep.
		Now, there are some people that believe that all of us in deep sleep actually travel out of body and that we are involved in some sort of activity beyond this particular dimension.
		I have no conscious awareness of that, but I certainly have talked with many people who feel that they do have a conscious memory of that.
		Now, I did go through a really interesting experience once when I was first getting involved in an understanding of Eastern meditation and spirituality.
		I had learned about a very famous holy man by the name of Saibaba.
		I don't know if you know of him at all.
		He is a holy man in southern India.
		He's frequently called the man of miracles because he's been very much associated with manifestations or what we might think of as psychokinetic type miraculous occurrences.
		And when I first began to be aware of him and read some books and began to get very interested in the miracles that were happening right here, right now in third-dimensional reality, I went through a period of time, I would guess it was maybe several months, where I remember that during the time that I was sleeping, I could visualize myself sitting on the floor next to him.
		He was sitting in a chair, and I was sitting on the floor, and he was teaching me.
		And I know that this went on every single night for a long period of time.
		Now, I could not wake up in the morning and tell you exactly what he taught me, but I knew that there was a long period of time where I was being taught in my sleep.
		Now, that was one of the times where I did have a very conscious awareness that something was going on while I was sleeping.
		But I think there's probably a lot that goes on while we're sleeping, and I know certainly the Monroe Foundation gets into a lot of that and some of the work that they're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		They do.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My question for the doctor is about remote viewing.
		All right.
		First of all, I do agree with her also about these craft that some of them are from our government technologies that we have, but I saw craft in 1969 that I estimated going 360,000 miles an hour through our atmosphere with bright red tails, about 12 of them in a fee formation.
		But anyway, my question is this.
		I have a friend who asked me what I knew about remote viewing, and all I could tell her was what I heard on your program, Art.
		She is going to order some tapes from one of these institutes.
		It wasn't the Farside Institute.
		And she asked me, can it help me when I go to the racetrack?
		Tommy, is it going to help me betting on the horses for the next day?
		I said, I don't know.
		I'm going to ask Arthell.
		Maybe he can answer.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the doctor can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, can you give a relatively short, succinct explanation of what the remote viewing discipline is?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me see if I can marry that.
		It's a type of a discipline where you're using very specific protocols to tune into a location that I believe they frequently give now just as sort of a random number or a target.
		That would be a good way to put it.
		And the person is taught in a very specific way how to tune into this, and they frequently will use drawing as well, because that gets you much more into your right brain process, the more creative, intuitive aspect of your mind.
		And people are coming up with remarkable information.
		And when you have several different people doing the very same thing who don't even connect with each other, they seem to be able to come up with very similar delays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And that then can be scientifically verified as a real process.
		When we come back, we'll find out whether it could be applied to, say, the stock market for the horses, as that caller suggested, right after this.
unidentified		The End Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Back now to Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		And Doctor, I know you've got a book coming out.
		It's not out yet, right?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When does it come out?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		It will be out sometime in 1997.
		I'm not sure exactly when.
		There's been some delays through the potential publisher.
		And in fact, I would be interested in talking with anyone who maybe could help me get this out within the next few months because I believe it needs to come out immediately because it's about how to very personally deal with this time of the quickening and the changes that are taking place, how it affects you at a very personal level within your lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there certainly are a lot of people affected.
		Do you have materials people can get now?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I do phone consultations with people as well as a private practice in my office in Las Vegas.
		And people can reach me through my telephone number and also through my PO box.
		It's area code 7023659696.
		And the PO box is 36358, Las Vegas, Nevada, 89133-6358.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you better give that again.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Let me give the phone number once again.
		It's area code 702-36596-96.
		I do phone consultations as well as private consultation in my office, and it is P.O. Box 36358, Las Vegas, Nevada, 89133-6358.
		And for those people in Las Vegas, I'm on the west side at Desert Inn and Rainbow.
		That's where my office is located.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
		Back to the lines.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		This is Robert.
		Hi.
		This Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a question for you, Doctor.
		Go ahead.
		Regarding remote healing.
		Yes, I read Courtney Brown's book, and it seems like there's a...
		He claims he can enter a person's mind, as I understand it.
		To me, entering a person's mind or his consciousness without his permission is just as wrong as entering his house without permission.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm afraid I would have to agree with you on that.
		I think that you have to have some level of integrity when you're using a technique like that.
		But I must say that when I heard Art interviewing Courtney Brown, I felt like he was coming from a very high level of consciousness.
		I was very impressed with the interview in November where he was talking about the canyon to Hailbop.
		It sounded to me like he was coming from a very spiritual place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, suppose, though, Doctor, that I wanted to use, to address the caller's question before the bottom of the hour, I wanted to use remote viewing for a less than honorable thing.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Which I think the military has done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right, but that aside, let's say I wanted to use it for personal gain, and I wanted to know the winner of a horse race.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's interesting, and that's what the other caller had asked as well.
		There was a group of people here in Las Vegas who were getting together to learn remote viewing, and they were particularly using it for gambling and for all the horse races, etc.
		And they kept having difficulty because things just kept falling apart.
		I mean, it seems like there kept having to be a new person come in to teach it.
		They couldn't keep the person who was teaching it, and they were having problems within the group.
		One person was having terrible dreams and felt that there was some sort of a negative energy.
		And I think that sometimes when you misuse this, if you open yourself to negativity, and that whenever you're using consciousness techniques, you need to come from the highest degree of spiritual integrity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very much like what Ed Dain said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He talked about the military remote viewing program, and he said that they lost an awful lot of people who were simply unable to handle the experience, meeting up with entities and things that were not necessarily part of the target they were supposed to be going after.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, because I think you get into some of that dimensionality stuff that we were talking about, just like a shaman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yet a shaman is being trained at a very spiritual level, and some of the remote viewers, their training was more scientific, and I'm sure it was quite confusing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Where are you?
		I'm in Savoy, Illinois.
		This is Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Matt.
unidentified		And I was calling to share with you my first OBE that I had this morning.
		It was very interesting.
		It started with me driving my car, and there was a police car in front of me.
		I don't know if I had any relevance.
		The brick street was shiny from rain, something, there was some moonlight.
		It was very quiet.
		Very, I mean, quiet, more quiet than I ever imagined or experienced.
		And I can start elevating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know, sir, this was, if I can ask, an OBE versus a dream?
unidentified		Well, I listened to a show from Al Taylor, and I compared some of my experiences with the phone callers.
		Well, it came to, well, I ended up looking at my body.
		And then all of a sudden I was elevated from my car, or I don't know if I was in my car at this point, I elevated very fast above the trees, above houses and everything.
		And then all of a sudden, I'm floating above my bed.
		I see my wife, and I slowly, it was kind of like being in a three-dimensional game on a computer, or swimming in a dark pond, maybe late at night where you get disoriented where the water above is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I couldn't really control it.
		And I was kind of going sideways headfirst into the floor, and I remember trying, I was very relaxed.
		I remembered, I haven't got Al Taylor's book yet.
		I want it really bad.
		I can't get it.
		The bookstore keeps calling and saying they're trying to get it.
		So I haven't even done this.
		I think my subconscious was working for me that if I do ever get this opportunity, I'm going to relax.
		I did.
		And I was kind of going headfirst down here on the floor next to the bed.
		And then I wanted to see if I could see my body.
		And I did.
		And I've got to tell you, it's so great.
		I remember after waking up, I did not want to wake up, and I did.
		I started moving my fingers really slow, and I woke up.
		And it wasn't a very exciting OBE because it only lasted about 30 seconds as far as I know.
		And like Al Taylor was saying, you kind of float around your room for a bit.
		And that's what I was doing.
		And it was scary.
		I remember your response.
		And it was scary.
		I was relaxed.
		And I think I did okay for a first time.
		But it's so great to share that with you because that was my first thought when I woke up and started moving around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you for sharing that.
		And let's ask Dr. Barbie about this.
		Dr. OBEs, how much looking into that have you done?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Back in the late 70s, when I was doing my internship at the VA Hospital, I was reading Robert Monroe's book, Journeys Out of the Body, and I also had the opportunity to meet him at a conference in Kansas and talk with him about some of the things he didn't include in the book because he kept talking about that he had a lot of sexual type experiences but then he didn't go into detail about them.
		But I found that just in reading the book and then practicing some of what he described in the book Journeys Out of the Body, I began to have some of those very strong vibratory experiences that he described where I felt that it felt as though my whole body was just shaking almost violently, that when I looked at my body, it was perfectly still, that I was feeling the vibration that strongly.
		But the one real vivid out-of-body experience that I had was actually in a dream where I dreamed about having an out-of-body experience and then became conscious of it, like a lucid dream, and said to myself, wow, this is an out-of-body experience.
unidentified		And as soon as I did that, I immediately awakened.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		But it's a very real phenomenon.
		For several years here in Las Vegas, I was working in a rehab practice with a lot of people who had been injured in one way or another or who had gone through surgery.
		And many of them talked to me about the experiences that they may have had, either in the accident itself or on the operating table.
		I've just had many, many people talk to me about these kinds of experiences, and they're just very, very real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie.
unidentified		Welcome.
		Hello.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go ahead.
		This is Ted.
		Okay, Deb, you kind of sound like you're at the bottom of a barrel somewhere.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I got one of those cheap phones, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must have, you must have, are you on a speakerphone?
unidentified		No, I'm not on a speaker phone.
		I'm on a Lennox, a Lennox 919.
		I bought it at McBurgo for $12.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds exactly like you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, very briefly, what can we do for you?
unidentified		Well, you know, I just wanted to tell you, I just got up a second ago.
		I was just asleep a few minutes ago, and I had an OBE myself.
		And the OBE was that I went to a two-inch pipe, and all of a sudden it's kind of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Barbie.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello there.
		I've been a short-time listener, I guess, about a month.
		I'm in Gary, Indiana, my state.
		I listen on WLS in Chicago.
		Right.
		And if there's one thing I've learned listening to your show, that we don't sleep that much, so I don't think out-of-body experiences are that common with our bell listeners.
		That may be.
		My question is a short two-parter.
		I have heard a theory, and I don't know if there's anything to it, about the possibility of out-of-body exploration of space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And part two would be, you know, if anybody's heard anything about that.
		And part two would be regarding remote viewing.
		Has anybody attempted or heard that anybody attempted, since this remote viewing seems to be, there seems to be a lot of relevance to it, remote viewing of Area 51 for civilian reconnaissance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I prefer to deal with the first question, really.
		And in this way, Doctor, is it possible that what we call entities or spirits, in fact, may be people who are, in fact, having an out-of-body experience?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, that's interesting.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think that when they're in that dimension, they certainly are like what we would think of as an entity when you're shifting into that astral level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that is possible.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		But I think frequently when people are having some sort of a problem with entities attachment, it is more like what we would call a discarnate entity that is somehow still attached to the Earth's plane, that for some reason they haven't moved on in their own particular spiritual growth and they're still attached to the third-dimensional reality, which sometimes are relatively benign, And other times are benevolent, and other times are malevolent.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		So that, you know, I think that there can be a wide variety of experiences that people may have with these beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Barbie.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Doug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fire away.
unidentified		I clear my voice a little bit.
		Doctor, I would just like to ask you a question.
		Let's make it brief as possible.
		I just need to know if anybody else, possibly, including yourself, have heard anything.
		About a month ago, I had this weird experience, or it happened two days in a row, and I've never had anything quite like it before.
		It was at a certain time.
		I don't know if it was exactly the exact time, both days, but it was like a bright, just a bright flash, basically.
		Kind of like a, oh, somebody took a picture of you or something.
		And now my whole body started to buzz.
		Like, how am I to...
		Maybe like I got hit by a sense of electricity or something of that, some sort.
		I was just wondering if there's, you know, you've heard of anybody else that's had an experience so much of that?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly when I was doing that work with the Journeys Out of the Body book and practicing some of those techniques, I was having very strong vibratory experiences.
		And in Kundalini Yoga, where we're talking about the Kundalini energy that the Hindus would talk about it being at the base of the spine, people have had experiences where suddenly that energy has suddenly broken through in such a way where they have quite strong physical experiences.
		So I certainly think that we're affected by many things that may be going on within the body and within the energy that the body is actually energy.
unidentified		Do you think it could possibly be from just my mic?
		Well, I've always had an interest in this aspect of spirituality and then, you know, in that way of living.
		But I've just recently hear this listening to our bell only about a year ago.
		And I myself had read that, Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey.
		Yes.
		And I was wondering if it might have been just a manifestation from reading that material.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be.
		I think that's certainly what happened with my own experience that I had back in the 70s.
		But I also think that we're all going through, not maybe all of us, but many, many people on the planet are going through a spiritual awakening and that it is affecting us at a physical level as well.
		And that frequently when we're sleeping or at other times, we may have experiences where we feel like somehow our body is making some sort of adjustments to this higher frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would observe that with what I have come to call the quickening, wonderful term, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That there is a spiritual change underway in many.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree with that.
		I believe that that is exactly what is taking place on this planet, that we are spiritual beings acting out a human lifetime and that we're in a time of great change and that it is going to be affecting us on all levels, physically, spiritually, politically, educationally.
		Our understanding of what this extraterrestrial visitation is, the dimensionality shift, I believe in all of these things that we are having an awakening and we'll begin to understand these things and experience them differently.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		I've got two things for you here.
unidentified		Today I was looking to Michael Reagan, and he gave me a compliment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did?
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		He said, well, there was a caller that was asking about the HARP project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said that Art Bell was one of the premier people with knowledge on that in the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've certainly had the premier people with knowledge about that on my program.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		But you've exposed so many people to that awareness so that they can maybe start writing to their congressmen and their senators and get some kind of an open forum going about that because I think that may have a major influence on part of the reason we're having such changes in our data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are dealing with frequencies that, as I understand, are basic to the brain.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		They certainly are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, anything else, Color?
unidentified		Oh, also, have you heard about a thing called Wave Rider?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WaveRider.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Doctor?
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not something uncommon.
unidentified		Well, anyway, last weekend, I was traveling from, I live in Kansas City, and I was going to see my family in Missouri, and I was speeding the ADM dial, and I was driving.
		And I came across a program.
		I don't really know who it was or really what station it was on, but I caught the tail end of it.
		And they were talking about a thing that the DOD came out and announced about some kind of a product that they had that burnt exotic, some kind of exotic fuel, and it could reach speeds up to Mach 15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		and that's really all I know about it.
unidentified		And they said it's been flying around for a while, and I just wondered if it's going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark McCandlish, who's a guest we had on recently, talked about a craft exactly like that.
		I'm sorry I had that confused.
		I thought that term was one you were applying to something we were talking about.
		He's talking about a newer or experimental aircraft.
		And I'm certainly familiar with that from Mark McCandlish.
		Well, Doctor, it has been a pleasure, definite pleasure, having you on the program.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, this has been just a delightful experience for me as well.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe how quickly the time goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just goes like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we will have you back again.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would love that, especially since I'm your neighbor, essentially.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly are.
		At any rate, thank you.
		It's been a great pleasure.
dr barbie taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		That's Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		So, am I right about that?
		It's your last name, Taylor.
		Am I right about that?
		Yes, Taylor.
		That is correct.
		I was afraid for a second I might have had her confused with Albert Taylor, but I don't.
		They share the same last name.
		Dr. Barbie Taylor.
		All right, we're going to go into open lines for the next couple of hours.
		Anything you would like to talk about is fair game.
		I have this funny feeling that a lot of you are very interested in this OBE business.
		We've been in and out of that on the show now for quite some time.
		It is absolutely fascinating.
		The ability to leave your body and to go where?
		Into what realm?
		For what reason?
		I'm not sure.
		I'm not convinced it is a good thing.
		And by the way, with regard to remote viewing, I'm not even convinced that's a good thing.
		Does that surprise you?
		This is CDC.
unidentified		CDC.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to it we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Pete here from Canyon Country.
		Yes, sir.
		This is an interesting story I'd like to tell you about.
		I got a jury summons last year.
		Really?
		Yeah, and I had done jury service before, but I didn't feel like doing it this time.
		Yeah.
		So I threw it away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's a bad move.
		Bad move.
		You're supposed to call up and say, look, I have this critical thing that I'm doing.
		It's necessary to the national security of our entire country.
		I just can't make it, but instead you threw it away?
unidentified		I threw it away.
unidentified		So I go to workout in my club, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Go to the workout club and have a stationary bike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call the wildcard line, area 702-727-1295.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Assistant Director Skinner on the X-File?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Assistant Director for the X-Files came to sit next to me.
unidentified		He played the Assistant Director of the FBI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the FBI, right?
unidentified		Yes, and so he's working out on the step climber next to me, and I'm on the fight.
		And so, of course, I recognize him.
		And this is in the middle of the day, so there's not a lot of people around.
		And I say, hey, I liked your show.
		And I introduced myself, and he said, oh, you know, that's good.
		And I say, I think your character is pretty interesting.
		And so we had a little conversation.
		Well, when I gone into the locker room before that, I had my combo lock.
		And my combo lock is one that I programmed.
		Okay, so I set the numbers for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay, so it had been set long ago, but no one was around me.
		That's the numbers.
		I punch them in.
		I punch them out, and it opens, and I put my stuff in and go work out.
		So anyway, I'm working out, and we're talking about things.
		I say, that's a pretty interesting show.
		Everything weird happens.
		And he says, yeah.
		He says, you wouldn't believe how many English FBI guys he.
		And so I finish working out and I put my stuff away and go and go home.
		So about three weeks later, I get a final notice jury summons.
		You are going to jail if you don't report.
		And it says, please call in your special number.
		Right.
		That's on the envelope, yeah.
		The number was exactly the same as my combination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did you call it?
unidentified		Yeah, I went.
		I went, but the fact that Meta was playing was too weird.
		I think the X-File guy, they got exactly the numbers that I programmed into my lock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Karma, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, it was very crucial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Don't throw away a jury-duty summons is the moral of that story.
		Don't do that.
		You call them.
		You say, okay, I'll be there.
		I'm looking forward to it.
		Or I can't do it.
		I'm working on the nation's latest aircraft and I'm needed, you know, whatever it is you're going to say.
		But don't throw it away.
		Bad form.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call toll free, 1-800-618-8255.
unidentified		Been calling up and bonging?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
unidentified		Oh, he's been doing a good job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't encourage him.
		I don't want to encourage him.
		He's an idiot.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm Robin calling from Santa Fe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where?
unidentified		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I declined to read a little bit of poetry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, thank you.
		We don't read poetry on the air, sir.
		I appreciate the thought, but we don't do that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning, Al.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		This is doing Fort Lauderdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It said you have fact kissed.
		They've had an article about you in the paper.
		Did you happen to get that, Nam Cham?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I did.
unidentified		About the comment that was the front page?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And talk about your radio program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I appreciate it.
unidentified		Sorry, Sam, you talk about you got a telescope.
		I do have a chance to use it yet.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, when I get off the air this morning, I may have, I may have, the first clear night to go take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
unidentified		One other thing, what's a good power, you know, because I'm looking to get a telescope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not the good guy to ask.
		I mean, I just got my first one, the one I haven't even used yet.
		I'll tell you what I did get for it.
		I got an adapter for my 35-millimeter camera so I can take photogranists, get them developed.
		Then I can put them up on the web myself.
unidentified		You and Chuck can swap pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Let me ask one other thing.
unidentified		The letter that you had on your website from Priest and that picture of the coral castle, are they still up there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe so, yes.
unidentified		In what direction?
unidentified		Do you have any idea?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the website is like a gigantic, what would be the right word?
unidentified		Maze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maze.
		Yeah, it's like a maze.
		And after something has been prominently displayed, then it will go to a specific area.
		Maybe what we need up there is some kind of directory.
unidentified		That'd be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me bring that up with Keith.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a very good question because even I have a very difficult time navigating back to a certain area in the website or finding something once it has gone to a certain area.
unidentified		That's a good idea.
unidentified		We need a directory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockery Rockies, you're on the air.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lord.
unidentified		My name is La Marie.
unidentified		I'm calling from Monmouth, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, say, I'd like to share something with you that happened to me about 12 years ago, far away.
		All right.
		Well, first off, I was in Salem, and I was with a friend who had to leave to go to work.
		This is around 10 o'clock at night.
		We were at a local bar there, and I was with a girl, and I'd never met her before.
		Anyway, she had a friend with her, and my buddy actually took care of somebody at a house, and he had to run to the house.
		And so I suggested to these girls that we go over to the house, and we have some drinks.
		So they agreed, and I went and got in the car with the two girls, and we proceeded up this long, steep hill.
		There was only one turn on it that led to the left.
		I told them, well, I told the female that was driving, I said, don't turn left, just keep going straight.
		And she said, no problem.
		Start going up the hill, and she turns left.
		It takes me back down to the bottom of the hill.
		And I said, oh, well, you know, anybody can make that mistake.
		So we go back up the hill, and I said, okay, remember, don't turn left here.
		She said, no problem.
		She turned left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was before the drinks?
unidentified		Actually, this is after the drinks.
		This is around 2 o'clock in the morning.
		Well, there you go.
		Okay.
		And so we went back up about three more times.
		She turned left every time.
		And I was getting a little annoyed, to say the least.
		So I told her, I said, look, there's a parking lot right over here.
		Just let me out of the car.
		And she says to me, she says, no, you know, that's all right.
		I can go back up the hill.
		And I said, no, no, no, no.
		We've already tracked this six or seven times.
		And I really don't want to do this.
		So I said, please let me out of the car here.
		And she kept arguing, telling me, oh, no, you can come and stay at my house and this and this.
		I said, no, no, no, no, no.
		Let me out of the car now.
		And so she stopped in the large parking lot that I asked her to.
		The moment that I opened the door, it started pouring rain.
		And I mean big, fat rain.
		And it drenched me immediately.
		Now, I have some of a 50s pompadour, you might say.
		And that was instantly just pushed down into my face.
		My Sparco was soaked completely through, I was just absolutely just drenched in rain.
		I looked over to the right, and there's an older man standing underneath one of these overhangs, like what might be in front of a store, like an awning.
		In fact, it was an awning.
		And so this guy is just standing there staring across the street.
		I look over.
		I don't see much.
		I just see a lot of puddles starting.
		I walk over to him and I said, so what's up here?
		I was just drenched.
		And he says, well, he says, I'm watching my house float away.
		And I said, you're watching your house float away?
		And I looked across the street, and there was a cardboard box floating across the street.
		I felt really bad for this guy.
		And I said, look, I said here, you can have all the money that's in my pockets here.
		And I just offered it to him.
		And I think that I only had a few dollars on me at that point.
		Gave him all the money that I had and all the change.
		And I said, look, I said, there's a cannery right down the street here on Patterson Street.
		Go upstairs.
		There are some lunches up there.
		I used to work there.
		And sit down and have yourself a nice little meal.
		Unfortunately, someone else's expense.
		And get yourself a nice hot cup of coffee.
		And that should do you.
		And he said, thank you very much.
		He said, I can't believe that you're being so nice to me.
		And I said, there's no problem there.
		Everybody's down in their lights every once in a while.
		So I decided I was going to walk across the street and up this muddy embankment to the highway.
		I had no way home.
		It's 2 o'clock in the morning, pouring down rain.
		I'm soaked.
		I just gave all my money to this guy.
		I walked about, I'm going to say, 20 yards.
		After 20 yards of walking, I stopped and I turned around and the guy was gone.
		Completely gone.
		Just, I mean, literally disappeared.
		And I looked all around, standing there in the rain.
		I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
	I was kind of, he just wasn't there.
	So I continued across the street, went behind the bar, went up the mud embankment.
	Still pouring.
	I'm slipping down it.
	I'm covered in mud now.
	I'm drenched in rain.
	I'm washing my hands in the rain.
	It's coming down so hard.
	There are no cars on the street.
	I'm about six foot two, drenched, muddy, standing out in this, you know, highway by myself, and here comes one car.
	And I thought, well, here goes.
	So I stuck my thumb out, and the car pulled over.
	And it was a priest.
	And I turned and I looked, and there was that guy standing underneath the awning again, looking at me.
	And I mean, one minute he's there, one minute he's not there, the next minute he is there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are we going with this?
unidentified		Okay, okay.
		Now, this guy, okay, now I get in here with the priest.
		He asked me where I'm going.
		I told him I was going to Monmouth.
		He says, oh, so am I. And I said, oh, great.
		And so I'm kind of silent.
		He just keeps looking over at me.
		He keeps not saying anything.
		He just keeps looking over at me, smiles, and just kind of keeps going.
		And tried to make some conversation.
		I don't recall what it was.
		I was a little freaked out about the whole situation, just everything that had happened to me In this short period of time.
		And he said, so whereabouts in Monmouth?
		And I told him, and he said, Oh, he says, Well, I'm going about a block away from there, so I can drop you off right in front of your house.
		You know, so I'm thinking, boy, this is really weird.
		And he pulls over in front of my house.
		And before I get out, I mean, I was thinking, this is really strange.
		And he looks at me and he says, stranger things have happened.
		And then he drives off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was it?
unidentified		That was it.
unidentified		But it was the strangest run of events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a whole sequence of really weird things.
unidentified		One after the other after the other.
unidentified		I mean, within a matter of about 20 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, what may have happened to you, and may have happened to an earlier caller, is sort of a slip.
		I think every now and then things slip.
		Haven't you all felt it?
		When things are not quite in sync?
		Things are not quite right.
		Remember the fellow who called earlier who was shot several times and went home and things were all out of place.
		People were not quite right.
		Things were not quite right.
		About in real time, six weeks later, he came out of a coma.
unidentified		Have you, any of the rest of you ever felt that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you've slipped into a sort of an alternative, not quite right reality and then back in again?
unidentified		Have you ever felt that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Lauren Art, this is Richard from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		How many calls have ever told you that you were included in their nightmare?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had people call and say that I've been included in their, and I think I know why.
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because people sleep, many of them, during these hours, and they leave the radio on.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I had one, but the radio wasn't on.
		And I was pretty...
		Did you want to hear it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was in your dream.
unidentified		Well, you were included, and I didn't see you.
unidentified		but you were included in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not a dream interpreter, but...
		That's all right.
		I mean, if it's really interesting, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, basically, I was like a kid again.
		Like, like maybe 13 or something.
		And I was in bed, and I woke up in my dream in bed, okay?
		And then I looked out the window, and I saw all these lights, you know, like spotlights and vans and helicopters flying around with the spotlights on.
		And I woke up.
		When I looked out the window, I was like, what the heck's going on out there?
		So I got out of bed.
		Everyone was sleeping.
		I got out of bed.
		And then my brother woke up and he followed me.
		And there was this van with people on the ground with like guys dressed in black with guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And they were just laying there, but they weren't dead.
unidentified		They were like on stretchers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And they're like, what are you doing here?
		You shouldn't be seeing this.
		So we started running away and they chased after us.
		And they said, well, it's too bad you saw this now.
		I mean, no, you're going to have to go with them now.
		So I went in the house and I told my mother.
		I said, they're taking us away, but I was scared.
		But I was like, I had to go.
		But I wasn't afraid to go.
		And I said, but make sure you tell Hart Bell.
		He'll tell everybody about this.
		And that was the end of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Well, that was weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
unidentified		Hey, did you see that show that the Discovery Channel is now running on UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people have told me about it.
unidentified		I suggest that you may want to watch it.
		It shows the planes that you had on your show.
		They were talking about the Lisbon Smoke Trail with the donuts around it and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		The one that Mark McCandlish talked about.
		Listen, one more thing, sir.
		Though you have not been taken away yet, now that you've said all this on the air, we're going to have to have you taken away.
unidentified		Oh, really?
unidentified		Well, that'll solve all my problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't be so sure.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		This is Larry calling from Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I called you about three weeks ago in regards to Hale Bob being discovered two years prior to Hale and Bob finding it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		I found his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And his name is?
unidentified		Paul Cass.
		Cass.
		He discovered it April 27, 1993, and he unknowingly captured it on film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've got a picture of it right now.
unidentified		I want to send it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, and I don't have your address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It is Art Bell.
		P.O. Box 4755.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Perum.
		That's P-A-H-R-U-M-P, Nevada.
		Or in the.
		Zip code 89041-4755.
unidentified		Yeah, and I'll get that in the mail tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll look forward to that.
		And she is right.
		I've heard the same thing.
		Now, discovery means, I think, recognizing what you're seeing.
		But she may be exactly right that two years ago, they got an image of it and simply, at that time, did not identify it.
		I'll look forward to getting that photograph.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, maybe it's just me, but, you know, we're talking tonight about a sort of an altered sense of reality.
		A time when you feel a little bit as though things are not quite in sync.
		I'm having one of those nights tonight.
unidentified		In fact, now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just went outside and I looked at our desert sky.
		Lo and behold, It is as clear as it can be.
		The stars are shining and bright.
		But you know what?
		There is no moon.
		At least no moon I can find.
		Now, are we at a new moon?
		We probably are.
		Just my luck.
		It finally clears up and there's no moon.
		Now, as you know, I have a telescope, and I'm not adverse to trying some of the other stars or planets to look at.
		But I thought I would begin with something easy, like the moon.
		And finally, we get a clear night, and I see no moon.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
		Art Bell?
		That's me.
unidentified		Yeah, I had some information for you about any of those UFOs you said you've seen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The triangle one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And if they were anyhow related to our government?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, well, there's some Native American myths in Mexico that said they've seen UFOs way before, and if we had any of this technology, and the Spanish even wrote about it in their history books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
unidentified		Over in Mexico, what's now known as Mexico City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know, sir.
		Yes, the reports are Legion out of Mexico City.
		No question about it.
		Legion.
		They're seeing so many of them down there, they're regarded as normal.
		Everyday events.
		People go, oh, yeah.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Rick from Garland, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Rick.
unidentified		I'm curious as to whether you've ever heard of a guy by the name of Dr. Albert Cannon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		He was involved in some mind projection experiments at NYU around 1975.
		Ran into him at the Harrisburg airport through a long sequence of mistakes and spent about an hour talking to him about his experiments.
		And I was just wondering if the guy's still alive or I'd love to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know me, I'll have anybody.
		So maybe somebody else will help us out.
		We will find out if he still is among the living, and if so, who knows?
		Maybe we'll get him on.
unidentified		Well, stay tuned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder about the efficacy of remote viewing.
		If it really is possible to get into somebody else's mind and, in effect, read their thoughts or even more seriously affect their thoughts, and I'm told it is possible, then it's the end of privacy.
		It may be the end of individual thought because how can you know whether a thought you're having is your own or something that has been projected to you?
		And if people actually are able to enter others' minds and inculcate ideas or thoughts that they will regard as original, imagine the possibilities, or as people with a credit card say, master the possibilities.
		My goodness.
		Dictators, presidents, leaders, world leaders, what could be done?
		It's endless.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is E. from Germantown, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Any subject, you say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any subject.
unidentified		Do you know I'm one of the white women in the world who thinks that O.J. could not have done the murder and leave those bodies for his children to find?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean would not have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would not.
unidentified		And so now that they've got the 30 new pictures of Bruno Maui's shoes, I think he should go on the stand and say, you know, I've been thinking about it, and I did have one pair of those shoes I wore to that Buffalo Bills game in 1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, he said without equivocation, or maybe he was equivocation, that he never owned any such shoe.
unidentified		Oh, I know, but he said, I just didn't realize what they were, but I gave those shoes to Ron Chip.
		Well, he double-crossed, O.J. You think so?
		Yes, he talked about him having a dream about killing Ncorn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that, yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		He's a slippery guy and wouldn't call him a friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think O.J. Simpson, I think my opinion is that he did it.
unidentified		Well, I don't think he could unless he was out of his mind.
unidentified		And then how could he have been so efficient to clean up and get on the airplane and goal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot there to be considered.
		Thank you.
		The cleanup part is a tough question, but they did find blood in the Bronco, remember?
		I've heard they found blood in the house.
		They never did test in his sink, in the drain, remember?
		I think that he's facing a very difficult time right now because the new photographs clearly show those shoes, that he had those shoes.
		Meanwhile, they've got an expert arguing the first photograph was touched up.
		Maybe so, but what about all the new ones?
		So he's got a problem.
		No question about it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Hello.
		Clyde from Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to know, did you ever find out a fact of why a man cannot have more than three or one wife?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one wife, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have three?
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		No, that was brought up a couple weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, a lot of people have sent me messages, but nobody has yet told me constitutionally where it is prohibited.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So can you?
unidentified		The reason.
		If a man had three wives, his neighbor had three wives, they could run off a lot of kids.
		One kid could possibly move away to another town and one kid might end up marrying his sister in another town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's possible with only one wife, sir, and several people.
unidentified		Well, if you had a lot of people, but if she took three men, they could run off a lot of kids.
unidentified		And if they had a baby, it could be a turnip or the, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, yes.
		That's something I suppose you would think about.
		But nobody has satisfactorily explained where, constitutionally, a man or a woman is prohibited from having more than one legal partner.
		Anybody have any thoughts on that?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Hey.
		You were reading my mind, I swear.
		Just when you thought you heard it all, I just couldn't believe it.
		I was going to call and ask, is it my imagination or is tonight's show just getting weirder and weirder by the minute?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it absolutely is.
unidentified		It's like...
		I don't even believe it's happening, but like you were saying.
		When you get off the air, you go out with your new telescope and look almost straight above your head, just below Leo, there's planet Mars, the red planet waiting for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just almost straight up, huh?
unidentified		Almost straight up, looking kind of towards the south.
		You'll see a bright red object up there.
		That's the red planet Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would like to have begun with the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where the hell is the moon?
unidentified		Well, it's the new moon, so it's out of sight, but you can see it's a telescope, because when the moon's out, you really can't take advantage of everything else that's up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm told, and even with binoculars, I've noticed a sliver or a quarter moon is just about perfect.
unidentified		It's an exaggeration of features that way, so it looks a little bit nicer than trying to look at it head-on.
		Yeah.
		But you'll learn to like when the moon's not out, because then you can see everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're right.
unidentified		But Chuck, come check out Mars.
		Give you a little practice.
		It's straight above your head, almost looking stop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give it a shot.
unidentified		All right, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's right.
		Some nights, it's just weird.
		I mean, you go to open lines, and the audience is in a very strange, bizarre, massed sort of mood.
		Any of the rest of you sense that?
		And it's all in one night.
		It's as though everybody is affected the same way.
		Which, by the way, brings me back to my discussion about the quickening.
		And I think it's affecting everybody in a very similar way.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art, I apologize.
		My name's Robin Duo.
		I just wanted to report it, but I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		One call per show, sir.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Steve from South Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Steve.
unidentified		I heard you're talking about the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We passed into the new moon phase on January 9th.
		The first quarter moon is on January 15th.
		The full moon is on January 23rd.
		And on January 31st, we'll have a last quarter moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when is the first day I can go out and get it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We used to sliver.
unidentified		Oh, probably around the 12th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Around the 12th.
unidentified		Between the 10th and 11th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Enough time for another storm to come in and cloud up.
unidentified		It'll be sort of coming up then.
unidentified		And as the guy said, yeah, Mars is practically at zenith right now, which is right overhead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll try.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		I will try.
		It's good and clear out there tonight.
		Boy, I'm just dying to get out there.
		I mean, I've been taking it out during the day and looking at the mountain behind me and that sort of thing and different targets on the ground, but that's no fun.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Aris.
		This is Pete in Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Pete in Portland.
unidentified		Before I talk to you about what your guest said about an eclipse in Mexico and in New York, did you hear about some livestock mutilation that happened?
		Where?
		Well, this weekend in Colorado, a whole herd of Broncos were totally annihilated by, I guess it was a jungle cats or British sports cars, I couldn't tell which.
		And then on the East Coast, a whole posse of cowboys were similarly annihilated by Panthers or something.
		There may be a connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've not heard of either one.
unidentified		You haven't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I saw it on TV.
unidentified		They've got videotape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't see it.
unidentified		I saw a sorry NFL.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pete, if I had you against the wall right now, I'd be full of holes, wouldn't I?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		No.
		What your guest said about the Mexican eclipse, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
unidentified		You know, could it be that if there are time-traveling astronauts, couldn't they use, instead of these prop circles, couldn't they use an astronomical event like an eclipse as a great place to mark a particular place in time where they should look?
unidentified		Well, they could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to be like a marker in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Sure, that's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am pursuing a group of people who have been working on a time machine for some years.
		I said this on the program yesterday, and I'm saying it again now.
		And I am going to contact.
		I have contacted these people.
		I don't want to say a lot more right now, but if one day I'm just gone.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Is this our bell?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time callers call area 702-727-1222.
unidentified		Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not allowed to give your last name on the air.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had to bleep it out, so we'll start again.
unidentified		Chuck.
unidentified		Okay.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		I'm here in Salem, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		And I once heard an old saying that said, if you listen carefully, you may hear the thoughts of another and think in your own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		You ever heard that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but it makes sense.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's...
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Has you ever heard of the expanding Earth?
unidentified		No.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a scientist by the name of S. Warren Carey, who's really actually a well-known geologist, who's published several volumes on the Earth, and it's really actually growing, physically growing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seems to me you could prove that.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have satellites that circle the globe about every 90 minutes, and they measure things so they would know, wouldn't they?
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, not necessarily, because the rate of growth, there's something to do with cyclic.
		And it occurs as the Earth's magnetic field goes through a die-off, and then it comes back around.
		And it'll be oriented in the opposite direction.
		Now, this takes place, according to geologists, over millions of years.
		But they've, for example, gone clear across the Atlantic Ocean and drug these magnetometers across the ocean.
unidentified		Right.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		And they see these magnetic stripes indicating that the magnetic field with the Earth was like it is now.
		Then previously to that it was the opposite direction.
		And previous to that, it was like it is now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is generally believed we do go through a bull shift, yes.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		No, yeah.
		But during that period of time, see, that's the whole record of the Atlantic Ocean opening up in the last geologically 200 million years.
		And so there's two schools of thought on this.
		And the popular school of thought today has to do with subduction.
		And if you got a chance to take a look at Kerry's book, I mean, he's a well-known, he's a professor of emeritus at University of Tasmania in Hobart.
		He's a fairly old fellow right now.
		He's in his 80s, mid-80s.
		But he's sharp as attack.
		He did his field work down in Borneo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I will say this.
		That area known as the Bermuda Triangle, which has had many, many, many severe magnetic anomalies that have caused aircraft and boats within it to lose navigational capability with spinning compasses and that sort of thing, has been said to be no longer there.
		That that area has moved.
		And there are some who speculate it may be now near Long Island, New York.
		I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Art?
		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
charles cagle ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Ron from Dixie, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ron.
unidentified		And seven years ago, and it'll be this February, seven years, I had three massive heart attacks.
		And I went to the emergency hospital in Riverside, California.
		And I remember going, walking into the emergency and telling them that I thought I was having a heart attack.
		And they took me in and put me on the table.
		And I don't remember much more after that until about a week later.
		And the only thing I can remember in that period of time was, well, when I finally come to my senses, about a week later, I woke up and I was profusely soaking, sweating, my bed was just drenched.
		And the only recollection I have in that whole time was that I don't know, I kind of thought maybe it was a dream, but I didn't know.
		It was like, I can remember, like an elevator shaft.
		And it was just, but there was no cables or anything.
		It was just kind of like a square concrete shaft.
		I would say it seemed like it was probably, oh, probably six foot by six foot square.
		And I was just floating down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a bad sign.
unidentified		I know.
		I was floating down.
		Bad sign.
		And down below me was a mist, kind of like fog, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I just, real slowly, I was floating down and floating down.
		But I never really got into the fog.
		I just was kind of just above it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're lucky, sir.
		Had you continued down, it would have become warmer and warmer.
		Be a good person, sir.
unidentified		I keep hearing your concerns about what's in there.
		All that thought you were giving me is conscious, I guess.
		If I were walking in your shoes, I wouldn't be worried now.
		You know, friends, the world about me, I'm having fun.
		Chalping flowers on the wall, that don't bother me at all.
		Playing political songs with the deck of 51.
		Chalping flowers on the wall, smoking cigarettes and watching cats in the rain.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Easter of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
		Hi.
		I'd like to talk to you about an idea I have for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Now, I know that you don't like to do television.
		Right.
		But I have a couple good reasons why you should simulcast your show at least one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For all the people out here in your listening audience who don't have a computer or don't have access to a computer, you could get on the air and show all these photographs that you haven't been able to see.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Now, the only downside I have that you would have is the inconvenience of having a CV truck out in front of your house would be that everybody could see that you have a face made only for radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that I do, and I've always thought the same thing, sir, that I late.
		Face made for radio.
		But it is actually, in a lot of ways, a good idea.
unidentified		And if you care about your listeners, you know, maybe you could do that for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll consider it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that is the reason that I would consider doing it.
		I really do like being able to share with the audience more than just my description of something.
		I mean, we have very significant photographs.
		Now, so far, we've taken advantage of the web.
unidentified		They're up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've put them in a newsletter.
		And believe me, if I could think of any other way to show you what we're talking about, I would probably go for it on that basis.
		I don't really like having a TV crew here when I'm on the air.
		It's very disruptive.
		As a matter of fact, I don't like anything at all between myself and your call.
		But, of course, that would tempt me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is down in Iowa, North Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, you brought up a couple times the multiple spousal thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, well, actually, it's really not a constitutional issue.
		It has to do with, of course, really state law, if you think about it, and, you know, general cultural norms.
		Well.
		So, after all, if you remember the state of Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think would happen if South Dakota said you could have all the wines you want?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think the feds would step in?
unidentified		Well, they might, but just think back to when Utah was a territory.
		They had that, and it was, of course, not part of our cultural tradition.
		So until they got rid of that tradition there, the Mormon tradition, they weren't admitted to the Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, I have an amusing anecdote for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But before we leave that, you know of no specific constitutional prohibition.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if somebody went, let's say somebody who was a bigamist, correct, went to, took it on up to the Supreme Court and argued there is no constitutional basis for a law forbidding multiple spouses, I can't see why that person would not win.
unidentified		Well, they shouldn't win because it should be referred back to the states.
unidentified		In other words, if that state legalized it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, even that would be a victory.
unidentified		Yeah, well, after all, Utah, although it was a territory, was still governed by Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I'm saying is that would validate the Tenth Amendment, and virtually the court would be saying the states do have the right to allow that if they want.
unidentified		Yeah, I would say I'm part of the strict constructionist view of the Constitution.
unidentified		I'd say United States does have a right to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Oh, just to have an amusing anecdote.
		I was switching through radio stations before you came on one night, and one of your competitors, you know, were you overlapped?
		Yes.
		A lady was talking about Hailbot.
		She happened to mention there's things going on in the heavens, and a radio host mentions what?
		She mentions a comet, and then she mentions about the possible companion.
		The host says, well, where have you heard about this?
		Well, a lot of people are talking about it.
		He proceeds to ask her, well, what astronomical authority has ever said anything about this.
		What's your reference?
		And she goes, well, on the Art Bell show, and then, bam, he blipped her off the cyber face.
		That was the end of her.
		He just got rid of her like that.
		I actually think a lot of the guys, like you said, they're really more upset you're cutting into their reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Yeah, it was fun, though.
		I mean, it was so funny, though.
		He just clipped her right off the air.
		I really enjoyed it.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much.
unidentified		Thanks much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah, not unusual.
		A lot of the other hosts don't understand what we are doing here, don't like it.
		Since they don't understand it, and since it seems to be very popular, they don't like it, and they are, therefore, somewhat fearful of it.
		Oh-hum.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I have an answer to your polygamy question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		Jason from El Dorado Hills, actually a first-time caller.
		Yes, sir.
		In a book I was recently reading dealing with the Church of Jesus Christ, Father-Day Saints, they do specifically mention that in 1887, the Edmunds-Tucker Act went through the courts and they say you could not have plural marriages.
		A test court did go through the Utah Supreme Court and they upheld that, the Edmunds-Tucker Act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Based on what constitutional principle, in other words, laws are tested against our Constitution, right?
		Correct.
		So, Act, explain to me what the constitutional principle is that holds these laws to be valid.
unidentified		Well, in fact, most of the even persons who weren't members of the church at the time felt that that act was very unconstitutional, and that the act has stayed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're saying there is no constitutional basis.
unidentified		No, there's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I really believe that is the answer.
		Nobody has been able to come up with one.
		Now, I think a constitutional scholar might claim settled law, which I'm not very pleased with.
		And that basically is the concept that if a law has been in place and accepted for a long enough period of time, whether or not there is a good constitutional basis for it, it is a valid law and may be upheld.
		It's called settled law, and it unsettles me greatly.
		The Constitution is either the Constitution or it is not.
		The health settled law.
		Just because something has been wrong or unconstitutional for a protracted period of time does not, in my mind, validate its continuance.
		That's just me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		My name is Paul.
		I'm calling in from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And this is a weird night.
		I can't believe I got through.
		Yeah.
		But I just wanted to say that really, my love and care and my feelings go out to you guys when you guys go through the asthma problems.
		Thank you.
		And the other thing that I wanted to ask is if you take a request before you go off the air, could you play The Highway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Highwayman.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, a lot of people want that song.
		All right, I'll do it.
		All right, right, you bet.
		Sure, why not?
		You can do that.
		That really is a very special song to me.
		Very special song.
		It is a weird night tonight, isn't it?
		Don't you feel it?
		It's like everything is...
		It's the only good analogy I can come up with.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the Arab.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
		Hi.
		My name is Deal.
		I'm coming from Kauai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kawaii?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I've been listening to your show for a while now.
		I thoroughly enjoy it.
		Thank you.
		My whole family has enjoyed it.
		I'm going to ask you if you have read by any chance the Celestine prophecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got the book, though.
unidentified		Great.
		I found it to be really great.
		I've dealt with a lot of the quickening the way I felt it to be occurring.
		Also, I've read Cosmic Voyage, and I just received Phil Sus McMonago's book, Mind Trip.
		And I just started reading that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a person I would like to interview.
unidentified		Yes, I'm sure he'd make an interesting guess.
		Very much so.
		I wasn't aware of it, but he had documents in his book on a New Death Experience that he had also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, are you familiar with the expression, the Pineapple Express?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Isn't that the reason for your folks' bad weather up there now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we all want an apology.
unidentified		I am very sorry.
		But our weather's been a little different here, too.
		Has it?
		Yes, it has.
		The winter pattern has changed a little bit.
		A lot of south winds would come in, weather from the south, which is the opposite of trade winds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe it's not your fault.
unidentified		Well, Jeffrey's so much better now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's blame it on Guam.
unidentified		That's fine.
unidentified		Or Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably the Canadians, sure.
		They're at fault for everything else.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air low.
unidentified		Hey, all right.
		How's it going?
		This is Tony in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Tony.
unidentified		Hey, I got a weird experience for you.
		One time I was, I just got upstairs in my room, kicked the light off, jumped in bed, and I was frozen.
		I couldn't move for about three minutes.
		There was a strobe light going off the whole time in my room.
		I couldn't see where it was coming from.
		I just assumed it was coming from somewhere, but I couldn't tell from where.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was not your strobe light.
unidentified		No, I didn't have one.
		And that was really peculiar.
		I didn't hear a helicopter outside either.
		Then, about 30 seconds into the strobe light and the paralysis, I felt like what felt like currents going through my toes and fingers moving upward towards my middle torso.
		And it was heavy-duty stuff.
		It felt like electricity, but it didn't hurt.
		And once it got all the way up, of course I couldn't move that whole time, but once it made its way all the way up into my torso, I couldn't feel my heartbeat or my eyes move or anything.
		And that lasted three minutes.
		When I got up, it let me go just like that.
		And I got up and ran over the window because I heard some noise out there before it got me and paralysis.
		And there was two raccoons coming out of some kind of paralysis, too.
		They were still numb like me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
unidentified		Yeah, and they ran off the roof as soon as they realized and got their senses and jumped right off the roof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really odd, Tony.
		All right, thank you.
		There you go.
		Now, that is the first time I've ever heard anybody talk about paralysis that affected other living beings in the same area.
		Very interesting.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		Driving around listening to you.
		Let me get this straight now.
		Do you say that you are for men being married to more than one woman?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't say that at all.
		Okay, wow.
		Now, somebody called the show the other night and asked why, what constitutional basis there is for prohibiting people from being married to more than one person.
unidentified		Does everything have to be governed by the Constitution?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when it relates to laws, I don't think so.
unidentified		There's nothing in the Constitution that says I have to drive 55 miles an hour on the highway.
unidentified		However, the law says a person has to drive 55 miles an hour on the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Constitution, though, allows that the government make laws for your welfare and safety.
unidentified		well, and I also have the laws that say you can't be married to more than one woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure that, well, that may relate to your welfare and safety.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe loosely in that category.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Ken in Petaluma, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I enjoyed your first truth or trash version recently.
		It was fantastic.
		And it reminds me of the following incident.
		Now, this is not a submission.
		This actually happened about a year ago.
		Congratulations on a new addition to your family, by the way, the telescope.
		I recently treated myself to one for Christmas exactly similar to the one you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		Yes, I had the Selectron, also 60 millimeter refractor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		And what happened was, my brother's not that interested in astronomy.
		I took him out on a clear evening about a year ago, and I was pointing out to him something near the brilliant, conspicuous constellation Orion.
		I was going to show him the Pleiades, that faint group of six or seven stars very close to it.
		I said, here, you've got to take a look at this, Mike.
		I shot my arm out up into the sky, and unfortunately, it turns out that I was up about six or seven moon diameters, but I didn't know that.
		He and I simultaneously followed my arm's length up into the sky, and at the very point that my index finger was pointing at, a brilliant fireball came out of nowhere.
		It was bright green.
		It went for about three or four seconds, left the smoky trail.
		My brother was aghast.
		He was halfway paying attention without saying, he said, what, were you predicting something that's happening?
		And I said, no.
		I explained to him what it was.
		I said, Mike, what do you think the odds of that happening again?
		100 to 1, 10 to 1.
		He said, a million to one.
		I said, Mike, it'll never happen again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was uncool.
		What you should have done is the moment that fireball appeared that you were pointing at, you should have said, see, wasn't that cool?
		I can do that anytime I want.
unidentified		I missed the opportunity.
unidentified		Great programmer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
		That's what you do.
		Just a lucky point.
		And there it is, a green fireball, something re-entering the atmosphere.
		And you just turn around and say calmly, yeah, see?
		See what I can do?
		I can do that anytime I want, of course.
		He'll immediately say, fine, then do it again.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, I just do it on occasion when I feel like it.
		Leave him wondering.
		Used to the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Denny in Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Art, I have a question.
		I have a nephew out in Ventura County, in, you know, north of L.A. Yes.
		And he can't get good reception to you.
		Do you have an FM station around there, Ventura or Thousand Oaks or maybe Santa Barbara?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a station right in Ventura, K-V-E-N, I think.
unidentified		Is that AM or F-M?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's AM.
unidentified		K-V-E-Wester?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		V-E-N, as in Ventura.
unidentified		Okay.
		Thank you so much, because we talk quite often, and I'm always telling him about, you know, whom.
		And he said, well, I can't get an anti-Jenny, and I'm, you know, I think I know it all.
		I try K-A-D-C.
		And he says, no, that they're not in a good reception area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may be in Ventura.
unidentified		Okay, thanks much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, you bet.
		I hope I gave her the right information.
		We have so many stations in California now that I'm trying to figure that out, but I'm pretty sure that we're on KBEM and Ventura.
		Well, it'll take me a moment, and I'll have to do some looking, but I'm pretty sure that is the case.
		I might have had the call letters incorrect.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art, Bob from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Long time listener, first-time caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
unidentified		Hey, Art, I was wondering if you've ever read the book, Third Eye by Tuscan Bob Saint Robo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I know about the Third Eye.
unidentified		And he called, what you call out-of-body experience, he called astral travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he says, well, he explained it, when your actual body leaves your physical body, it means attached by like invisible ambivalent cord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And if that cord snaps, then you're dead.
unidentified		You're gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I've always wondered about that.
		People talk about it, and they always say, you're safe.
		Don't worry about it.
		That cord cannot snap.
		But I had somebody on the air, I think it was Albert Taylor, perhaps, who was talking about that.
		And I said, hey, how about all those people that die in their sleep?
		How do we know that their cord didn't snap?
		And he said, well, naturally, we don't.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Another thing he mentioned, too, you've been laying in bed and just be dozing off for almost asleep, and all of a sudden your whole body just jumped, just jerked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You experienced that.
		He said that your astral body started to leave your body and jump back in.
		Jump back, back in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I think that may be right.
		Sure.
		You're asleep, and you're just sort of drifting off, and all of a sudden you go, oh, you jump, you start.
		That is your astral body snapping back into your body.
unidentified		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
		It is indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell from our affiliate in Salt Lake City, K-Talk, AM63, and they ought to be the authorities on this.
		Indeed, the U.S. Constitution denied polygamy.
		And in fact, the Edwards-Tucker Act, as was mentioned in 1893, was enforced to force Mormons out of the practice of polygamy.
		Utah, as a matter of fact, had to put polygamy legislation into the Utah Constitution in order to become a state.
		Now, I'm not sure at all that it is in other state constitutions.
		And again, I go back to what I said a little while ago.
		I'm not at all satisfied that there is any reason, any constitutional real prohibition against polygamy except for the concept of settled law, which as far as I'm concerned stinks, but I am not a constitutional attorney.
		And that basically says if a law has been a law long enough, constitutional or not, it can be held to be so without an apparent constitutional basis other than the fact that it has been there for, you know, forever.
		Something like that.
		All right, I promise this is a very, very special song to me.
		Not a lot of people have heard it.
		Some have.
		Some haven't.
		I believe it clearly is about reincarnation.
		The caller asked for it, and so here it is.
		This is a group known as the Highwaymen.
		See if you can pick out the various voices.
		Check this out.
unidentified		Music by Ben Thede.
		I was a highwayman.
		Along the coast roads I did ride.
		Sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her bottles in my strait.
		Many a soldier shipped his life blood on my blade.
		Master Hummy in the brain upon his mind.
		But I am still alive.
		I was a sailor.
		I was born upon the sky.
		With the sea I did buy.
		I filled the score now aboard the Mexico.
		I went along the world to make the living group.
		With the yard broke off in that I got here.
		But I'm living here.
		I was a damn building across the river deep and wide We're stealing water till the line A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado I slipped and fell into the wet palm deep the north They buried me in that great tent of no-no sign But I'm still
		glad I'll always be glad Glad to run, glad to run, glad to run I'll blast starship across the university by And when I reach the other side I'll find a place to
		rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highway man of care Or I may simply be a single rock of rain But I'll be there
		I will remain I'll be back again Well, is that something or what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody once said we are not human beings on a spiritual journey but spiritual beings on a human journey First time caller line, you're on air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey man, the first was Willie Nelson.
		The second was Johnny Cash.
		Okay.
		That's not really what I was calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not really all there was, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was Wayland Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, and Chris Christophenson.
unidentified		Well, of course, I haven't heard the last big seconds of it.
		All right.
		Number one, I'd like to tell you that as a web developer, I really appreciate on your website the work that, of course, Each Roland is doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's incredible.
unidentified		Well, but aside from that, the actual transfer rate that I get from ZNET, who is your actual Internet Service Provider, I mean, I'm getting 4.8K, 5K a second.
unidentified		It is so much that for my next client, I've already lined up the fact that they're going to be using ZNET because their primary concern was how fast stuff would download.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And ZNAT is about to put us on an even bigger server.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you, I've seen it grow.
		I mean, a long time ago, I was impressed knowing the traffic that you got, how fast stuff still downloaded.
		But now, today I went on and I was shocked how fast it came.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they may have done it.
		They may have made the move.
		It was going to be made in the first couple days of the week.
		So we may have gone to the new server.
		I'm not sure.
unidentified		It may have because it was incredible tonight.
		Good.
		How fast it came.
		But the real reason I was calling Art is that, and I am a first-time caller in Oregon.
		My name is Joshua.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		But it was kind of a truth or trash type call, except it doesn't really belong there, but it's absolutely true.
		And it's about a trip.
		I took a friend.
		My junior year of high school in 1992, I went there, a friend of mine had owned a ranch out there.
		And I did it for a month.
		The whole time I was there, my friend kept pointing up to a mountain, saying that once when I was young, my father took me up to this mountain.
		And it was the funnest place I've ever been.
		And I agreed with him that I would take this journey.
		As my time there ended, I decided to go up to this mountain with my friend.
		And it was a heck of a time getting there at all.
		But by the time we arrived, we'd been hiking for hours.
		And the whole reason he wanted to get there was to inscribe his name on a tree, a tree that you could see even from his house in the rolling valleys out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he did so.
		But afterwards, we decided that we didn't just come there for that.
		We were going to hike around in what is actually the Black Forest, much spoken of in literature.
		We hiked for hours.
		We hiked all over the place.
		We had a picnic in the middle of this forest.
		And I mean, nobody had been there forever.
		After hiking for hours and hours, we decided to rest our bumps.
		And I saw the perfect place to sit down.
		It was two trees whose roots had grown together and formed almost a hammock in the ground.
		And we sat there lounging for another half hour.
		Well, at that point we decided to leave.
		But before I left, I said, you got to inscribe your name in the tree.
		I'm going to do the same.
		And so I got up, looked at these trees.
		They were ash trees, which had very smooth barks.
		And they had been there for forever.
		They were huge, at least six feet trunks in diameter.
		And I got up looking for the perfect spot to inscribe my name.
		And I couldn't find it on the first tree in the hammock formation, so I started walking around the second tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've got to hurry here.
unidentified		I'm there.
		Just as I saw the perfect spot to inscribe my name, or my initials, I saw my initials already inscribed.
		And they had been inscribed years, years, at least decades, I would expect, earlier.
		But absolutely, clearly my initials in oak bark, which if you've ever seen, not oak, I mean ash bark, it is very smooth, but if you inscribe something in it, it stays there for a long time.
		The only reason I could tell it was very old was that, you know, lichens and other growth had come in and kind of expanded out a little.
		But it looked like for decades, my initials had been inscribed on that tree, and I'm telling you, this place had the foot traffic of maybe 10 people a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is very weird, sir, but it's still better than going to a graveyard and finding your own tombstone.
unidentified		Much better.
		I'm telling you, but if I may tell you the one thing that crossed my mind the second I saw that, and I'm telling you, I was quite shocked because actually the first thing that struck my mind was that this is such a rare place that anyone would ever be to begin with.
		I was shocked that anyone decided to inscribe their initials there.
		It wasn't a very monumental place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you perhaps should have considered that you were once there before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it about food?
unidentified		We eat food, we eat, meat, eat, meat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the holidays, many of us ate far too much.
		At any rate, most of us have no idea what happens with our food after we eat it.
		But the fact is that when we absorb food properly, we are full of energy.
		And when we don't, that's when we get health problems.
		Most degenerative disease begins in the lower digestive tract as bad intestinal bacteria getting out of control.
		When that happens, you're literally poisoning yourself.
		That's where nature's healthy trinity comes into play.
		We've got it.
		Three healthy bacteria offered together.
		Negatophilus, Bifidofactor, and Digestilac.
		They get rid of bad bacteria, adding the good bacteria that'll keep your engine running full force.
		Call 1-800-992-3323.
		I take it every day wouldn't be without it.
		This is really something that you've got to try.
		Natron's Healthy Trinity.
		The number again, 1-800-992-3323.
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		So call 1-800-557-4627.
		That's 1-800-557-4627.
		You've got nothing to lose but the fact.
		All right, here we go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		I'm on the air.
		Yes.
		Oh, my God.
		Hey, I've got to get on the level with you.
		I don't believe you're a gullible person, are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I don't know what you mean by gullibility.
		Do I believe things that I sometimes cannot prove or touch?
		Is that what you're asking?
		Then what do you mean?
unidentified		Well, I listened to your tapes.
unidentified		Somebody handed me the tapes on Major Ed names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		with the remote viewing.
		Yes.
		And that's something that I can believe.
		But a lot of the things that he was talking about w were things that uh that can't really be proven, that are things that are believed on tape.
		And uh I just want I was just wondering, next time you have him on, could you ask him to to you know use his remote viewing with something that he can prove, like could he find Jimmy Hoffman's body or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You know, because a lot of the things he says, like about the TWA life and things like that, well, nobody knows.
unidentified		Nobody knows, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they very well may, though, before it's all over.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I take your point.
unidentified		My name's Bob, and I'm from Spokane, and I've been listening for about a year, and I love you, and I look up to you, and it's just a great show.
unidentified		Keep it going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Happy to do it, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will ask for you.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll be a good one.
		But what if he came back and said, Jimmy Hoppe's body is under 25 feet of concrete in a football stadium in New Jersey?
		Now, who's going to go dig and try and find it?
		Who's going to prove it one way or the other?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		Good morning.
		I have the harp string buster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		Oh, well, you take your antenna, you receive that one to 100 cycle digging of transmit.
		Yes.
		And you invert that 180 degrees, send that back out over the air, back up to them.
		And when it's 180 degrees out of phase, it ought to cancel out the one coming down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem with that, of course, is that you don't have the facilities to transmit it with the same intensity and beam width that they do.
		I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a 180-degree inversion.
		A frequency is a frequency.
		But even if you could achieve that, the retransmission of it at the levels they're achieving would not be possible without a similar antenna array.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		I was calling about your religion idea about the drug.
unidentified		Religion trying to stop drugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's from yesterday's program, and the idea was that drugs are generally not smiled upon.
		Marijuana, for example, is what we were talking about, because it produces an altered state of euphoria that religions wish reserved for their own purview.
		Correct?
unidentified		Yeah.
		All right.
		I'll try to get through yesterday, please get through.
		But actually, religiously, people who gave potions to people who acted like they were devil possessed, which would qualify for somebody who's on drugs and won't do a bad treat, basically was burned at the stake and the like.
		I suspect that's probably had a bit to do with it in the life.
		But more recent times, of course, scientifically, what the person's doing is they're mimicking the natural openings the body produces.
		And they're basically, well, the immune system, as the cells are dying, are being attached to the receptor sites, the neurons, the brain cells.
		T cells send out the lymphocytes, miracle phases and golf brain cells because they're dead and dying, and you're digesting your brain out of your skull, basically.
		Or through the circulatory system, one static system, and you're basically flushing your brain down the sewer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your brain's on drugs.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		I would like to suggest the following to you.
		If the perfect drug was ever discovered, that is to say, a substance which gave you a great sense of euphoria of some sort, with absolutely no side effects,
		no after effects, no ill effects, but a simple, straightforward, euphoric state that that drug would still be either outlawed or controlled by the government.
		I believe that to be true, and I think that may make the case.
		Under no circumstances would the government or society in general want you to have a drug without consequence that would produce euphoria.
		And that would be controlled or outlawed.
		I'll bet you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Well, this is JC, and I'm glad that I finally got through to you, that you're not able to keep me from getting through to spread the word, because what you had the other night was unbearable.
		How dare you let someone smoke marijuana on the air?
		Don't you know what marijuana does to people?
		What does it do?
		It can cause people to go crazy.
		They go into a pot rage and murder and rape and kill.
		You know, how about this 215 and 200?
		How about the parents of the teenager that smokes the joint for the first time and thinks he can fly and jump off the Empire State Building or a bridge?
		How can you stand there and say that they should be legal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They get squished.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying.
		You touch them.
		What's horrible of drugs?
		It's just the devil's weed because it opens your mind to the devil and sucks you right in.
		Devil's weed.
		What are you talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio.
unidentified		Now, hold it.
unidentified		What's the next thing called?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		All right, there's my radio.
		So did you know what happened with the Manson?
		They were all smoked in marijuana.
		Today's marijuana is worse.
		It's high-potent.
		It's like crap.
		It's even worse because it introduces and sucks the teenagers and the people in.
		And you're sitting here potentially that people should go out and buy it.
		How dare you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't.
unidentified		Yes, you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
unidentified		You said that they.
		And the fact that you want people to have more than one wife, coal-free, nation.
		That's what it's all about.
		And the fact that you mock the new revelation.
		It's disgusting what you're doing with the airways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What new revelation?
unidentified		The one that I am receiving from the Lord and the new commandments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your revelation.
unidentified		Oh, new commandments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute.
		This is really cool.
		What are the new commandments?
unidentified		Well, God and I are working on the new commandments in chorus together.
		We've worked for some time because the people have ignored the Ten Commandments.
		So we are much closer to keeping the people in mind by giving specifics such as thou shalt not smoke.
		Thou shalt not fornicate.
		Thou shalt not do drugs.
		Thou shalt not worship the devil.
		Thou shalt not listen to rock and roll music.
		Thou shalt not be a part of the new age.
		Thou shalt deny the new world order.
		These are going to be laid down in the new revelation.
		And I am a part of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No rock and roll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say no rock and roll?
unidentified		The evil rock and roll music that you play, and the music that you play, this pounds, the pounding rhythm, which pounds the wheel of the lither and the submission every time you go to break.
		It's hypnotic and it's demonic.
		And it talks about getting too excited.
		And I won't know why I hide it.
		I want not to repeat it, but it's horrible because that's about fornication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's actually going to be a commandment about rock and roll?
unidentified		Yes, Harry.
		There already is.
		I told you in the new revelation that there shall not be rock and roll music.
		No more rock and roll.
		That's right, because it's of the devil.
		And the fact that that man again on the other night who was saying this to deny government, that deckle that hovers over people as they die, that terrible sinner man, that horrible, this new aiser that got struck by lightning, will need to die because he waits on the bike.
		Lucifer is in the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Damien Brinkley?
unidentified		He's an evil man hovering above people's deathbeds, stealing their ideas for a new age, nonsense, and tearing them away.
		God, those who rise before they're going to die.
		I know what your plan is, and that is, you've made a vow with Satan, that you can be on his right hand and tear away as many Christians as you can before the end of those end times.
		And the fact that you're using talk radio, which is among the most people who listen, are conservative.
		And you're trying to tear it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're a torn-down conservative, hobbling to God, getting new commandments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
unidentified		No, I am here to keep you in check.
		We're destroying the lives of conservative Christians and destroying America.
		And the fact that you mocked the Canadian invasion, don't you know that they'll be coming across and swarms any time now?
		They've already assimilated...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're exactly actually what I needed this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel so cleansed after your call.
unidentified		My program is over.
unidentified		Yes, the new revelation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't you like to say good morning, America?
unidentified		I do not.
unidentified		It's an American.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come out goodnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, America.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it for you.

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