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Jan. 7, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Barbie Taylor - Paranormal

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	From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across all these many, many time zones, all of them in the darkness right now, from the Tahitian Hawaiian island chain, all the way east to the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, soon Puerto Rico, soon, soon, soon, south into South America, north to the pole, and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And I'm Art Bell.
	And this evening, we're going to introduce you to somebody named Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Believe it or not, she's close by in Las Vegas.
	And she has investigated for a long time now the paranormal.
	Has rubbed shoulders with just about everybody who's anybody.
	Dr. Stephen Greer, who we interviewed here of C. Setti.
	Dr. Raymond Moody.
	...has worked with the Bigelow Foundation, as have we, did early work on human sexuality, and then somehow got interested in parapsychology.
	As a matter of fact, Brad Steiger, another good friend, wrote a foreword to her book.
	And so, we will talk the things of this sort shortly with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Anyway, we'll get underway in a moment.
	Well, all right.
	I want to advise everybody, just before we get started here with Dr. Barbie, that Dr. Cath, who was once on my Dreamland program, and was the principal investigator into the case that later became known as The Entity, the movie The Entity, with Barbara Hershey, I think.
	We did a great show on Dreamland.
	And he said, you know, I've got the original photographs from this case.
	And you've got to remember, this was well documented.
	A major university did the investigatory work and he headed that team.
	And wait till you see these photographs.
	As a matter of fact, they're up there to be seen Right now, and I really, heartily recommend you go to my website and take a look.
	You'll see it prominently displayed when you go in the Dr. Taff appearance.
	Just click on that and in you'll go and take a look.
	This plasma is above this woman, obviously dejected, sitting on the bed.
	And there have got to be at least five or more witnesses with cameras also captured.
	So you've got to see this.
	You have got to see it.
	I think there's five or six photographs total there at the moment, and they are amazing.
	So you take a look, because it is a subject we will also discuss this morning with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Doctor, welcome to the program.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	I'm glad to be here tonight.
	If you would, give us a little bit about your background.
	Your Ph.D.
	is in psychology?
	Yes, in clinical psychology.
	I got my Ph.D.
	from the University of Washington in Seattle in 1978.
	Originally, you were working with human sexuality, matters of sexuality, human Well, actually, it was a pretty interesting transition, and there was a period of time towards the end of graduate school where I wasn't quite certain whether I was going to be a clinical psychologist or a parapsychologist or a sexologist.
	What ultimately happened is I was all of those things, and it became incorporated in the work that I was doing.
	In the University of Washington, in the clinical psychology program, that my specialty area was human sexuality, and I was thinking at that time, when I entered the program, that I would stay within the university, that I would ultimately become the director of a sexology program in a major university, because that was at the time when they were just beginning to bring human sexuality into the medical school, and it was an area that was really on the cutting edge at the time.
	But what happened is once I was in the university long enough and I went straight through for ten years, I began to be aware of all of the politics in that structure and decided that I didn't want to go through another seven years of getting tenure and not being able to do really what I wanted to do because it was too controversial.
	So I decided that when I graduated that I would ultimately do research, I would write, I would teach.
	I would do therapy, and I set it up privately by beginning as the research director or the research coordinator at the Center for Marital and Sexual Studies in Long Beach, California.
	Essentially what I was doing was doing research.
	I was writing grant proposals.
	I was about to teach at California State University at Long Beach, and that's where I began my private practice.
	But then, after being there for a year, I began my T.R.E.X.
	And I was in Arizona for a year and then ultimately moved back to West Virginia and Pennsylvania where I spent all of the 80s.
	But while I was studying for my doctoral exam, I received a brochure from some kind of an organization in Portland and it was about a conference called The Mind Can Do Anything.
	And I had never at that time gone into any kind of consciousness seminars or anything like that.
	I was really quite surprised to receive something like that and wanted to go there because my daughter, who at that time was about 13, she was having psychic unusual experiences, especially in her sleep.
	She would see entities sometimes in her room.
	And I, there was going to be somebody speaking, a famous woman, I don't know if you've heard of her, her name was Olga Worrell, and she was a famous healer, I believe, from the Baltimore area, she seems to be.
	But she was going to be speaking about psychic children, so I specifically went there to learn about that.
	But one of the other speakers, in fact, is Delma Moss, and I believe that Dr. Taft might have worked with her, she was the famous parapsychologist at UCLA.
	I'm going to sort of ask an off-the-track question now, because you're qualified to answer it.
	I've frequently wondered, you know, you hear all the time people say, we don't know everything about the human mind.
	How much actually do we know about the human mind?
	What it's capable of?
	How many of its resources we really use?
	That sort of thing.
	You hear people say we only use a very small percentage of our brain.
	Is that true?
	Well that's certainly what we hear all the time, that from a physiological standpoint anyway, that we're using a very small percentage of the brain's ability.
	And there's certainly indications that when somebody has had a head injury, there are, there is a technique called, I believe it's called Feldenkrais?
	I believe that's the right term.
	People are actually taught how to develop new neural pathways when there has been some kind of damage, or just to expand their ability to have more neural pathways.
	And if that is possible, and they do this through different kinds of positions and breathing
	and a variety of different physical approaches that seems to do this, that certainly tells us.
	And also that the brain can compensate when there has been injury.
	So we certainly know that the brain has the ability to somehow, I don't know if this would be the right term,
	sort of to rewire itself in some way.
	And just from all that we're beginning to see in terms of psychic abilities,
	that we know that there is the potential for this.
	In other words, we have a big project now to map the human genome.
	And we're just really beginning.
	have been trained in such a way like the remote ruler, where they're using their mind in a
	different capacity than normal people.
	Well, this is exactly what I'm asking.
	In other words, we have a big project now to map the human genome.
	And we're just really beginning.
	There's a long, long way to go.
	There certainly is.
	And it's kind of like a whole frontier that we're exploring.
	I think it's the most exciting frontier.
	So how much of the brain have we actually mapped?
	Matt, do we know everything that goes on in there?
	A little bit of what goes on?
	How much do we know about the brain?
	I really wouldn't be able to answer that.
	When I was in graduate school, my minor was psychophysiology.
	I graduated in 1978.
	There's so much that has been done since then.
	and i think that you know that i think that you can get the all of the other
	great hard-working oriented in the back of the past exactly the greater one of
	the things that didn't happen for the graduate school that was very
	interesting and i think that about doing it but i was going back
	to the university of washington by the time i was doing my internship down at
	uh... them being a lot that the hospital in long beach and i was going back up
	to the university of washington because i needed to uh...
	medical care This is kind of the final procedure before you get your Ph.D.
	I stopped at Stanford Research Institute and met with Hal Puthoff and Russell Park.
	Their book, MindReach, had just come out where they had done their pioneering work in remote
	viewing and all of that work that they did with Ingo Swann.
	And I met with them for several hours.
	They took me to lunch and we talked and we went through the labs.
	And so right from the very beginning I was interested in remote viewing and that was,
	of course, at a time before it began to...
	Well, it probably was already moving in that direction, but at least in MindReach they
	weren't talking as much about the military applications.
	But that's certainly the direction that it went into after that.
	All right.
	I take it then you looked pretty carefully into remote viewing and I've had a number
	of them on the air, as I'm sure you're aware.
	My question is, do you consider remote viewing to be a valid discipline or science?
	I believe that it's a very valid discipline and that the protocols are set up in a very systematic way, but I also think that you have to take into consideration that there can be some I don't know if the right word would be bleed through or interaction with, say you have a monitor working with you, a person that is working with a remote viewer.
	Right.
	When I first read Courtney Brown's book back a year ago, The Cosmic Void, I happen to know, because of my connections with the Bigelow Foundation, that his monitor was Ed Baines, even though he had not said that in the book.
	Well, he all but says it, but doesn't say it on the air.
	Right, right.
	And, of course, that's all come out.
	His monitor definitely was Ed Baines.
	Right.
	Well, I happen to know that because of the things that I had known through the Bigelow Foundation.
	I also knew, and in fact I remember, back when you were doing your show, Area 2000, I remember you talking at the time, in fact it was George Knapp was on your show one time, and he was talking about, this was when Ed Baines was in the New Mexico area.
	Right.
	And do you remember when he was saying that there was going to be a very large ship, and it was going to be landing in New Mexico, and there would be these reptilian children?
	Yes.
	Okay, do you remember all of that?
	I don't ever know quite exactly what happened with that, but I do know that that was something that he felt very, very strongly about.
	But when I read Courtney Brown's book and saw that there was a lot coming through related to New Mexico, ETs, etc., I began to wonder, well, I wonder how much of this was bleeped through telepathically from Ed Daines, and that he was picking up on things related specifically to Ed Daines.
	Now, I don't know If that's true or not, but I think you do have to look at the fact that there's undoubtedly some kind of an interaction that goes on between the monitor and the person doing the remote viewing.
	Yet they have set it up in such a systematic way that I think it's a very valid kind of an approach and there's so much evidence now to show that they have come up with extraordinary things.
	And that many very average people Well, I've asked them whether they can detect the presence of another remote viewer.
	That's correct.
	And just about everybody has said yes.
	That it would be very, very apparent if there was somebody else tuned in, tapped in, whatever, or close by.
	Also, remote viewing, for example, the same target.
	Now, I remember that you were talking to Courtney one time about that.
	I think this was on the November 14th show when he was talking about the Hale Box Companion.
	Yes.
	And one of the things that he had said is that it would also depend upon what you were doing at the time.
	It would depend on what you were focusing on.
	If you were somewhat distracted or focused on something else, you might not Well, I guess they have proven scientifically what can be done, but I could imagine a lot of distracting or even disinformation.
	Well, I think it's certainly open to that, don't you?
	Yeah, I do.
	That's really interesting because I'm very curious about the discrepancy between Horton Grounds Group at the Farsight Institute and Ed Gaines Group in terms of the Flight 800.
	180 degrees apart.
	And what's so curious to me is that I happen to have an associate that I work with who is a retired FAA person who has the gift, although sometimes he has felt it's a curse, to Tune in to airplane crashes.
	And this has just been something that has gone on with him for many years.
	It's not something that he wants.
	It's something that has just happened to him.
	And we worked together very closely during the time right after that crash.
	We definitely came up with material, detailed material, that would be much more supportive of Courtney Brown's group.
	And in fact, we put all of the transcripts together with a cover letter from me and sent them to the FBI and received a thank you note and offered his services to help them and then nothing ever happened after that.
	You know I heard a report earlier today on CNN about Flight 800 and the FBI is now and I didn't hear the whole thing you know I heard part of it always happens that way but they're looking for a missile launcher and that would be supportive certainly of Courtney Brown's version Well, the way that my associate had seen this was as a missile launched from a boat.
	We did all of this through some pretty intensive hypnosis work.
	It was extraordinary what he was coming up with, and what he came up with in terms of the aftermath and the potential for a cover-up, and quite a variety of things that were in great, great detail, including names and locations.
	Fascinating.
	group with kept that up a lot of detailed information including even the
	name of the book that he was supposed to go to the library to get
	immediately after i worked together and he did and it turned out that the book
	with the whole book still up filled with photograph the people
	and he was able to pick out from that which was what the missile was that he had seen
	fascinating how did you get involved with the bigelow foundation
	What had happened is, do you remember the Roper study?
	Oh, yes.
	When they had done the Roper study, they had put together, which for your listeners, by the way, this is sort of like a Gallup poll, that they were interested in including a few questions that would indicate whether somebody might have had an abduction experience.
	These were questions that were embedded in other questions, but it wasn't like some People weren't asked directly, have you been affected by E.T.?
	They were not led into it.
	Right.
	It was a question that might be something like, have you ever felt there were entities in your room?
	Have you ever felt a sense of paralysis?
	There was a number of questions that would tie somebody in with some of what people report in an abduction.
	And once they got their response, they were really quite surprised to discover how many people had answered in the affirmative.
	It was rather significant, and ultimately they put together a booklet that was sent out to therapists all over the country.
	Well, I received information about this booklet, and then somebody sent me a copy of it.
	Actually, they told me about it on the telephone, and I said, well, who sent this booklet out?
	And they just read in the corner of the return address that the Bigelow Holding Company, Las Vegas, Nevada.
	So what I did is I sent a note.
	To the Bigelow Holding Company, just wanting to know about what kind of work they were doing and putting out this kind of booklet, because I felt it was very appropriate to educate therapists about this phenomenon.
	And I received a telephone call from Mr. Bigelow.
	And we ended up, I was in Orange County, Southern California at the time, working as a psychologist.
	Alright, Dr. Standby.
	We'll be back to you.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	Dr. Barbie Taylor is my guest, and she will be back in a moment from Las Vegas.
	We're going to cover a lot of very interesting territory tonight.
	Stay right where you are.
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	Alright, back to Roper for a moment.
	It made all the wire services.
	What were the essential results of the survey?
	Essentially, there was a significant number of people who checked some of the questions related to these rather paranormal or odd experiences that they had that could also be contributed to maybe being abducted at one time.
	And, in fact, they did it a number of times.
	They did this study, I believe, maybe even three times.
	Now this was all before I even worked at the Bigelow Foundation, but I believe they did it about three times
	because they were so surprised with the results that they were getting.
	And then once the results were analyzed and they put together the booklet, part of what they were saying to
	therapists is that you need to pay attention, that there is the
	potential that what might seem as though a client is having some kind of experience related to child abuse or sexual
	abuse may actually be related to an abduction situation.
	So they wanted to educate therapists.
	And after that, and this was during the time I was at the Bigelow Foundation,
	they had a team of experts who went around the country and once a month were offering free seminars for therapists
	to talk to them about what they found in the Roper study and to talk with them more about the potential
	that people could have had an abduction experience.
	So it was really quite an educational opportunity for therapists who maybe would not have been exposed to that
	material through any other way.
	Alright, what were the rough results?
	In other words, how many people could you conclude might have been abducted?
	I cannot remember the exact data because all of that was done before I was there.
	That had nothing to do with the project that I worked on.
	I see.
	What was interesting about the project I worked on is here I had this connection with Mr. Bigelow calling me and We engaged in a long conversation and then I came up to Las Vegas and met with him and then he came down to Los Angeles where I was doing some work there with Team Steady and with research having to do with UFOs and it was at that time we decided that I would become a consultant and the project that he gave me was to find the world's greatest medium.
	The world's greatest medium.
	Now I was blown away when I got that project because I thought that I would either be the research coordinator for the various projects going on through the foundation or that I would specifically be working in the field of UFOs because I had been interested my whole life in that field and I had been working professionally since 1980 in that field and all of a sudden I get this project to find the world's greatest medium.
	At first I laughed and I said to him, Well, what am I supposed to do?
	Look in the yellow pages?
	Because I really wasn't quite sure where I was supposed to begin with this.
	And then I just decided, well, I'm very good at doing research.
	After all, that's what my Ph.D.
	is about, is a research degree.
	And if somebody is going to pay me to do parapsychology, I will do it.
	Alright, so how do you do it?
	How do you begin going to find the world's best mediums?
	Well, it led me into a five-month project where ultimately I was networking all over the world And by the end of the project, I had lists of hundreds of mediums.
	One of the things that I found was that, not London particularly, but the United Kingdom, was the hotbed of medium activity.
	And when I'm talking about mediums here, I'm talking about the old-fashioned idea of a person who served as a go-between with someone who has lost a loved one.
	That's essentially what my project was about.
	And it was fascinating and it was through that work that ultimately I connected with
	Dr. Raymond Moody.
	And I just felt absolutely convinced by the end of my project.
	And part of what I did during this time, it wasn't just finding where they were located
	and getting lists and addresses and all that.
	Part of what my assignment was was to go and have appointments with some of these people and then make an evaluation as to their level of accuracy.
	So I had the experience of having private sessions with some pretty extraordinary people and I am absolutely convinced It's a very thin veil between here and the other side.
	Like I said, it ultimately led me to work with Dr. Raymond Moody.
	In fact, that came about from listening to your interview with Dr. Moody on the Aria 2000 show.
	I interviewed him right before his book reunions came out.
	I was driving to L.A.
	listening to your interview.
	I immediately got the book and connected with him because I wanted to find out.
	About whether they get any training with Delta.
	So, you're not ambiguous about it.
	There is another side.
	I have no doubt in my mind that we are eternal beings, that there is a very thin veil, there's indication scientifically that we seem to have more paranormal experiences than somebody who's in Delta, in that place.
	That's true whether it's cultivated activity or what many people will report when they're
	sleeping, is they have what they perceive as dreams of the part of love, loved ones.
	Well, maybe it's not dreams.
	Maybe we're just more accessible when they're in that state of consciousness because all
	of our normal defense mechanisms are down at that point.
	We don't have all of that chatter going through our minds.
	Well, that's why I was asking you early on about the nature of the brain.
	I really, really believe that we have abilities.
	I've had a couple of experiences, one very strong one, that simply could not be explained.
	Well, yes, it could.
	It was precognition.
	I had a case, a real case, of precognition.
	It's never happened since, nor before, but at the time, you know, it wasn't one of those things you wonder about.
	It was a hounding Tremendously strong reality.
	So much so, it put me on my knees.
	It scared me.
	But it was precognition.
	But I've never had it since.
	And I have no idea what triggered it, how I could bring it back.
	Nothing.
	It just happened.
	You know, there was a period of time where I was asking each of my clients whether they had ever had what they would consider a paranormal experience.
	One of the things that I discovered in asking that was that having some sort of a connection with a deceased loved one seemed to be the most common experience that people reported.
	And this might have been just a momentary seeing this person or hearing their voice, but I think that there's much more of that that goes on and people just don't talk about it.
	If I were to ask you about the nature of the other side.
	Through your research, what have you divined?
	In other words, I guess I'm asking, what's it like over there?
	Well in terms of what I have read, because during this time that I was doing this project,
	one of the things that Mr. Bigelow and I did is we collected all kinds of books from the
	turn of the century when there was so much interest in spiritualism.
	So I read.
	I do.
	He was actually the person that Mr. Bigelow was most interested in having me connect with.
	When that connection finally came it was at Dr. Raymond Moody's home in Alabama.
	He was actually the person that Mr. Bigelow was most interested in having me connect with.
	And when that connection finally came, it was at Dr.
	Raymond Moody's home in Alabama.
	But he did a reading for the small group that was there and picked up information about
	my father.
	He did not know me at all.
	He knew nothing about me.
	He picked up information about my father that was just so accurate in a communication and
	then even tied it in with my grandfather where he even came up with a name.
	And then fairly recently I had an interview with a medium here in Las Vegas.
	Her name is Margaret Dent.
	She is from Australia.
	And in the same way he was tuning into my father, picking up information.
	Again, I'd never met her.
	She knew nothing about me.
	And in the same way that it had happened with George Anderson, she says, Oh, by the way, George says hello.
	And that was my grandfather's name.
	And both she and George Anderson picked up that name.
	And it was very much the same kind of thing.
	Oh, by the way, George is here and he says hello.
	You know, that implies such a conscious remembrance of life, and that's very, very interesting to me.
	In other words, whatever is on the other side would seem to be a continuation of the present consciousness we have now, without a great deal of change.
	I mean, for somebody to be able to say, and oh, by the way, so-and-so, Says hello.
	It's kind of like there's a big neighborhood over there.
	Well, even more than that, she was... My father was a physician, and he was saying, and she did not know that, that she and George Anderson talked about him still being involved in healing and helping people, and then he kept seeing these books.
	She thought possibly he was A professor or something like that.
	It seems like it was philosophy or something to her.
	But then as she continued to talk, it was that he was very actively interested at that time in alternative medicine.
	And Edgar Cayce.
	And that was not something that my father talked about when he was living.
	But apparently in his role on the other side, he's very actively interested in this.
	And one of my fields of specialty is alternative medicine.
	So she said that you know he has a great deal of interest in this area and is working with you in this regard.
	And it made me feel as though my father and I are even more connected now because we share this area of interest and that in some way he is helping me and assisting me.
	Now I don't know exactly in what way that is.
	But it was just so interesting, both what she picked up on and what Margaret Gant and what George Anderson picked up on, not knowing me at all, nor knowing anything about my father.
	Well, I assume you were in effect commissioned by Mr. Bigelow to go and do this, right?
	Yes, I was.
	What kind of report did you write after all of this investigation?
	Well, what I did with him is I wrote a report at the end of each week.
	So I would let him know at the end of each week what I had explored during that period of time.
	Did you find fraud?
	No, I didn't in what I was doing.
	Now, I know from my reading that there were times that there were frauds, especially back in some of the camps that people went to at the turn of the century when spiritualism was so actively pursued by so many people, both in this country and in Europe.
	Sometimes there was fraud involved.
	But that does not mean that just because there was some fraud, that everything is fraudulent.
	Correct.
	Well, it was obviously your job to separate, as you could, and to verify.
	Did you conclude that the mediums were the real thing?
	Is that the essence of your report?
	The ones that I dealt with, I felt very positive about.
	Interesting.
	And again, what you said Seems to indicate that whatever's on the other side, do you think it is a dimensional, in other words, what are we dealing with over there?
	Is it a different dimension?
	Can we think of it like that?
	That's my sense of it.
	I really, in my book, I Break the Butterflies, which will be out in 1997 sometime this year, one of the things that I talk about is, when you talk about, you use the term Yes.
	And I believe that's a wonderful term.
	I talk sometimes about the changes, I talk sometimes about the cleansing, or the dimensional shift.
	I think that we're actually going through a period of time where the planet is going through a frequency shift, a dimensional shift.
	And I think that in terms of where we are and what we perceive as the other side, I think it is a dimensional situation.
	Which just has to do with frequency, has to do with How quickly somebody is vibrating.
	I think that there can be things going on right here in this room where I am right now that I may not be perceiving because it's at a different frequency than what I perceive.
	just as we see a certain frequency in terms of color, or we hear a certain frequency,
	yet we know that there's a much broader range beyond what we can see or beyond what we can hear.
	I believe that the sexual reality is like that, that we perceive something within a rather narrow range,
	that there's much more going on beyond what we can perceive.
	And some people who are particularly trained or particularly gifted can perceive more,
	whether they can see angels or entities or whether they can hear things that others might not hear.
	You know, people have different ways of picking up on that.
	Okay, you said frequencies.
	Since you're a psychologist, let me ask you this.
	Suppose hard science, hard science, was able to come up with some sort of contraption that would allow, in effect, a doorway, complete interaction With the other side.
	Well, I believe that that has been done and is being done.
	During the time that I was doing this work at the Bigelow Foundation, I know you know who Angela Thompson is.
	I know Angela well, yes.
	Angela was the research coordinator at the same time that I was the outside consultant.
	So she worked directly in the office and I was working on outside projects or one particular outside project that we would meet each week with Mr. Bigelow.
	Well, she was coordinating all of these projects, and this was a few years ago.
	I was working on this in 1992, and she was there through 1992 and 1993.
	But one of the projects that she was looking at was how people are using electronic devices to be able to communicate with the other side.
	And there was something that was going on at the time that was in Europe where people were using computer monitors and they were actually getting images on the computer monitor.
	I believe at the time it was Einstein, Nikola Tesla, I'm not sure who else, seemed to be coming through through this computer monitor where they could actually see an image and have some sort of a communication.
	Now again, since that wasn't my particular project, I didn't follow it all the way through, but I remember reading a newsletter about that particular work, and there was a whole field of parapsychology that was built around this work with electronic devices, whether you were using a tape recorder, or whether you were using a computer, or whatever it might be that you were using, in order to communicate with entities on the other side.
	Just like with, say, Dr. Kapp's photograph.
	They were using some kind of electronic equipment to pick up something that you could not see visibly, but they were getting things that obviously were there.
	Correct.
	But suppose we actually developed, I hesitate to use the word stargate.
	I'm just going to use the word gate.
	That literally allowed transition from this side to that side.
	Uh, it would change the world.
	Let me tell you one of the things that Dr. Moody was talking about when I was back there, and this must have been, let's see, I've got my computer of the mind certificate right here on the wall of my office, so this was in August of 1994.
	He was talking about some research, and I don't know how far he's gone with this now, but he was talking at the time about using some of the psychomantium research, which was using a mirror as a reflective device to have apparition appear of the departed loved ones.
	But going beyond that, having some kind of a place where they would have a person who had already had near-death experiences, so they weren't afraid of the death process, and had had some exposure to uh... the other side and then having this sort of a sort of
	like a dome type structure with the whole
	ceiling being mirrored and having the patient there as they're
	going through the death process and the facilitator working with them
	and somehow being able to go partway
	on the journey with the person i don't know how
	far they carried that research because i know that uh... dr moody had some health
	challenges and other things happen within his family after that.
	But they were talking about doing something like that, and I thought that was just fascinating.
	And it's sort of a technological way to do something that shamans do.
	You know, shamans for thousands of years have been able to train themselves Well, I know that he was doing some research that he was hesitant to talk about.
	He talked about a lot of it, but he said there's a lot of stuff going on right now that I can't talk about.
	part of the way of doing that. I don't know how far they got with it, but I thought it was a wonderfully fascinating
	idea.
	Well, I know that he was doing some research that he was hesitant to talk about. He talked about a lot of it, but he
	said, there's a lot of stuff going on right now that I can't talk
	about.
	He is such a brilliant scholar and such a lovely man. What he likes to do is he really likes doing the research.
	He likes getting into the historic material, traveling to Greece, learning about all of the ancient understandings of what went on with the, what was that called?
	Do you remember the movie Flatliners?
	I never saw the movie.
	I heard something about it.
	Well, I will tell you a little more about it after the break, and we'll discuss it.
	Stay right there.
	Dr. Barbie Taylor is my guest, and she is in Las Vegas.
	She'll be back right after the news as will I. This is CBC.
	Here again, Art Bell.
	Here again, Art Bell.
	Once again, here I am.
	My guest is Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	And somehow we had a kind of a lousy phone connection, as we sometimes get to.
	Maybe somebody can explain that to me.
	I live in Pahrump, Nevada, which is 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
	Now, one would think that a telephone connection to Las Vegas Would be a piece of cake.
	But I can get better connections to Cairo, Egypt, London, England, Tokyo, Japan, or Sydney, Australia, than I can get to Las Vegas.
	Don't ask me why.
	But we're going to pick up Dr. Taylor at the bottom of the hour, and she's going to switch locations, and we're going to see if we can get a little bit of a better connection.
	The topic is fascinating, and we'll get back to it in a moment.
	All right, a couple of items.
	A couple of items, and very interesting items at that.
	One is, I want you to be sure to get up to my website, and tonight would be a good night to try, when I said last night everything went into gridlock, as it so many times does.
	Dr. Barry Taft, who was on Dreamland, is going to be on this program Friday night, Saturday morning.
	He was the principal investigator into the case Uh, that later became known as The Entity, with Barbara Hershey, the movie.
	Only, he sent me the photographs from the real case.
	And they are on my website, and I want to be darn sure you get to see them before the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
	I mean... Witnesses, uh, sitting around... One photograph, you'll see several witnesses, themselves, with cameras, from a major university.
	Uh, and this young lady on the bed, and this... I wouldn't know what to call it.
	Energy?
	Not an aura, but energy completely surrounding her.
	And about four or five additional photographs, some of other cases that simply are way beyond any explanation.
	So you go up there and take a look.
	It's www.artbell.com.
	www.artbell.com.
	Another item would be, I don't know how many of you heard it in LA, no doubt you would have, my good friend Mr. K-A-B-C gave me a call and we chatted a little bit.
	He does a program very much like mine in the sense that we do not screen calls.
	there are very very few people in the industry do not screen
	to me it's more fun and he feels the same way and so
	that's how we met and he came up here and we had a great we've got told that story
	and now he uh... preceded me of course on uh... k a b c in los angeles
	and it's going to be quite a combination
	so i was born i received
	a fax on fortunately at the end of the show last night actually i'm
	sorry And the signal appears to be now gone.
	But Marty in Iowa, Iowa mind you, middle of the country, wrote me an email saying, for the past several evenings, I've been getting an extremely strong signal Centered on 5720 kilohertz lower sideband.
	And so, I was very curious and I tuned 5720 and by golly, there it was.
	And it was the strangest signal I've ever heard.
	Now I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it right now because as of tonight, it is not there.
	But last night, it was just slamming in.
	And I've heard a lot of radio in my years, because it's what I do.
	I've never heard a signal like that.
	And if some of you would be kind enough to check.
	5720 kilohertz.
	Lower sideband.
	I would appreciate it.
	From time to time.
	It's not there now.
	At least, I don't think it is.
	But if you begin to hear that signal, please fax me, email me, call me, whatever, because I want a lot of people to listen.
	I want to know where it's coming from and what it is.
	Enough said.
	Now, with Dr. Barbie Taylor, we were talking about the other side.
	She was commissioned by the Bigelow Foundation.
	To investigate the world's best mediums.
	You know, in an effort to try and find out if there is something on the other side.
	And in the first hour, we talk about the nature of the brain, how much we know about the brain.
	Whether or not, toward the end of the hour, it might be possible to in effect open... Let me back up.
	If the difference between this side and what is called the other side is frequency, then it might be possible in the hard sciences to create, in effect, a gate.
	You know, I don't want to use the well-worn Stargate scenario, but you get the idea.
	Some kind of gate that would allow transference from that side What would the implications be, can you imagine, of such a portal?
	Could it be done?
	Maybe.
	Does it involve the very nature of time?
	Or dimensionality?
	I don't know, but I have a feeling that if we move, and there are people doing work like Dr. Raymond Moody, and she mentioned Dr. Moody.
	If we do work in this area, it may become possible, and imagine the implications of that.
	Here's a fax I just got.
	Well put, Art.
	Your thoughts about death being more of a continuation.
	For NDEs, at least for this one, the dividing line between death and the afterlife is not the extreme delineation, the demarcation that it was prior to the experience.
	It is, in effect, a connecting flight.
	Just no luggage allowed.
	Someone once said, we are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
	We are spiritual beings on a human journey.
	That's Bob in Austin, Texas.
	And that is a very interesting way to think about it.
	We are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
	Even though we perceive ourselves that way.
	We're human, we're flesh and bone, with mortality in a limited time here.
	Instead, you might want to think of yourself as a spiritual being on a rather short human journey.
	At any rate, we'll take a few calls.
	We'll pick up Dr. Barbie Taylor again at the bottom of the hour and continue with this.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Howard.
	How are you?
	Okay, sir.
	Yeah, I've been trying all evening to get you.
	You're on the radio about after death and so forth?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I died 1991 on November 12th, and I know a lot about it and so forth.
	You're getting a call there, sir.
	Yeah?
	Hello?
	You want to take your call?
	What do you mean?
	Well, you've got a call waiting or something.
	It's going off.
	I've got a call waiting?
	I guess you do.
	I've got a bad cord here and it clicks everyone.
	Oh, I see.
	I see.
	The line ain't tapped or anything like that.
	Alright.
	What is it that killed you?
	A heart attack.
	A heart attack?
	Yeah.
	And for how long were you without, you know, pulse and respiration?
	Well, I don't know because when I was back in my body again, I was told I was on the operating table for ten hours or something like that.
	And my daughter said I was green.
	I turned green.
	The way it happened, I came out of a fast food restaurant and I was sitting at a stop light waiting for a left turn behind a car.
	And all of a sudden I heard a voice, I heard a voice in the car tell me, turn into the gas station, Walter.
	And it said it three times, turn into the gas station, Walter.
	So I listened to the voice because it got pretty rough at the third time they told me.
	It was my mother's voice.
	So I turned into the gas station and she said, turn your engine off on ACC and turn your blinkers on.
	And that was the last thing I remember there.
	Wow!
	Next I felt that I was, where my car was heading, I felt that I was laying on the back end of a truck, and the whole truck was glowing inside.
	It was cold, and I was laying on the back of that truck.
	I asked everybody around, and there was no truck there.
	I guess I was on the other side.
	The way to get out of your body and find out what the other side is, you have the instrument to do it, your brain and so forth.
	Well, what do you remember of the other side other than the truck?
	cycles per second, approximately hypnosis state, and you can walk out of your body.
	When you're out of your body you can walk through walls and everything else.
	And you can float through the air or you can go from one place to another automatically.
	You don't travel, you just appear from one place to another.
	Well what do you remember of the other side, other than the truck?
	You can be any age you want to be on the other side.
	i'm asking you sir what you remember Well, I remember I went through like a tunnel and there were all different colors all around me.
	All kinds of flashing type colored lights.
	And it was in like a whirling, whirling type thing.
	And then at the end of that there was a real bright light and so forth.
	And he got his light and he communicated to telepathy on it.
	I told the nurse in the hospital I wanted to tell her about it.
	They sent me up to the psychiatric ward and wanted to check me and she was crazy because I told her it was the God and so forth.
	But I could sit for hours and tell you different things.
	So did they send you?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And what did they discern?
	The door locked behind me as I went up there.
	What did they discern about you?
	I got a problem with them.
	I told them that they can't do that kind of stuff.
	I didn't tell them anymore after that.
	You know, thank you.
	I agree.
	If you had an experience like that, if you came close to death and thought you had seen God or our Maker or whatever force flies beyond, I believe there is something.
	They probably would send you to see a psychiatrist.
	Maybe a Dr. Taylor, who knows?
	And I suppose that if you began to sense that what you were saying to them was being regarded as psychiatric illness, that you might quickly back away and say, now I realize now, you know, it was a dream.
	And I'm fine.
	Let me get the hell out of here, thank you very much.
	I'm fine.
	Have a nice day.
	And leave.
	In other words, not press your case, lest you end up in a rubber room.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Guess what?
	Guess what?
	What?
	What?
	I'm not a first time caller.
	Well then, in that case, you're out of there.
	Guess what, sir?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Guess not.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Eric.
	Hello.
	Jake in Yakima.
	Hi, Jake.
	Hey, I got a friend in Cedar Rapids, and he says he can't get your show in Iowa.
	Really?
	What station would he find that?
	Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
	Well, of course, WLS, I'm sure, would come banging in.
	Yeah, I'm kind of surprised.
	I think when I've been there, I've been able to pick up pretty well.
	Oh, right.
	There would be a number of stations that he could get.
	So, uh... WLF's a good one, yeah.
	I'll tell him that.
	Well, of course it's a good one, sure.
	Hey, you had that guy on your show last night that wanted to take a hit off this bong in the air?
	Uh, he did do it.
	KXTK in Des Moines, Iowa would be another one.
	KXTK?
	940.
	940.
	Have him try that, alright?
	You think I could take a hit off my crack pipe on the air?
	No.
	That's a tad.
	I mean, you know, it was asinine enough last night.
	I mean, after the guy took his hit, I said, I want your social security number.
	And the idiot read it on the air.
	Did you write it down?
	No, of course not.
	You could do that for something.
	I could.
	Hey, do you remember the TV show Twin Peaks?
	Yes.
	Did you like that show?
	I had mixed feelings about it.
	It kind of went south after a while, didn't it?
	It was intriguing.
	I used to really like that show, and I kind of miss it.
	I used to sit up all night and weep until I found your show.
	Now I sit up all night and listen to your show.
	I really used to like that show.
	It's kind of too bad that they got rid of it.
	Well, it was a great departure from anything else that has ever been done.
	I was not a big Twin Peaks fan.
	I watched it once or twice, and I don't know.
	It was all right.
	It was certainly a departure, but it did not catch on with me.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Okay.
	Yes, sir.
	All right, let me turn off my radio.
	Yes, oh, by all means, do that right away.
	This is Floyd Owen from St.
	Louis.
	Yes.
	Okay, I was calling about the guy you were just talking about.
	He had a heart attack.
	Yes.
	In a gas station.
	About a year ago, I was shot.
	You were shot?
	Huh?
	You were shot?
	Yeah, I was shot.
	And, uh, I shot four times.
	You were shot four times?
	Shot four times.
	Uh, wait.
	I don't frequently talk to people who were shot.
	Even once, much less four times.
	How did that happen?
	Oh, I was waiting on the bus to go to work and a guy came around the corner with a rifle, .22 rifle and shot me.
	Somebody you knew?
	No.
	It was a robbery attempt.
	All right.
	You were shot four times.
	Uh, what happened?
	Uh, okay.
	Uh, what ensued after that was, you know, pretty much blew my mind.
	Uh, I remember giving the police report and all that, and then I went out.
	They took me to the hospital.
	Uh, look, from what I remember, okay, they filled me up and sent me back home.
	But then weird things started happening in going home.
	Home was all different.
	Well, first of all, you don't generally get shot four times and treated as an outpatient.
	Where were you shot?
	I was shot in the upper abdomen.
	One bullet hit right over the ribcage, over the heart, and went out my side.
	Went out your side.
	Yeah.
	And you were hit by three additional bullets.
	Three additional bullets.
	Well, one bullet, yeah.
	You're correct.
	How could you possibly be treated as an outpatient?
	I don't know.
	Let me go on and you'll figure it out.
	Anyway, a friend of mine from work, you know, a co-worker from work came to pick me up to take me back home.
	And, you know, things were just positions.
	They were not quite what they were supposed to be.
	I've got you.
	And then the real weird thing happened.
	The guy I just called talked about a truck.
	Yeah.
	Okay, the last thing I remember, I was on this island.
	It was a fountain island up in Canada.
	It was at the Great Castle they have on Monday Island.
	Listen, I've got a break.
	Okay.
	Would you be willing to hold on?
	Sure.
	Good.
	Uh, because I'm feeling this is going to be interesting.
	I wonder if he was, uh, in another dimension.
	We'll be right back.
	This is the CBC Radio Network.
	It absolutely is.
	Top of the morning, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell.
	And we're going to try to get back to Dr. Barbie Taylor here in a few moments.
	But I've got a caller on hold.
	The man was shot four times.
	He said they sewed him up and sent him home.
	And I thought for a moment, uh-uh, this one doesn't work.
	But now I think I know where he's going.
	He got home and nothing was right.
	Sir, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	When you say nothing was right, everything was out of place or different?
	Yes.
	When I got home, I lived in two places in St.
	Louis.
	One was on a place called Deggill Hill.
	The other place was down in the Cherokee area.
	The latter place was Cherokee.
	The Cherokee house was written up on.
	I'm sitting here scratching my head.
	What's going on?
	I couldn't figure it out.
	It wasn't quite clicking.
	A few people were doing things that were out of the ordinary stuff.
	I just couldn't figure it out.
	Anyway, as things went on, my boss He gave me a trip to Canada, okay, to the Thousand Islands.
	I thought this was getting weirder.
	Out of character for my boss.
	Yes.
	I understand.
	And so, me and my friend went to the Thousand Islands.
	And we arrived on the island that had this castle on it and took the tour.
	Somehow I got separated from my friend and I was down in a loading dock area.
	And from a distance I saw this vehicle.
	The other guy mentioned a truck.
	This was a truck and it was heading right for me.
	So I ran behind the wall.
	It ran to the brick wall and stopped sort of hitting me.
	And the driver of the vehicle, I mean even more freakier, he was surrounded by like a rainbow of lights.
	Alright.
	I couldn't quite make out his face a whole lot, but the lights were very prominent around him.
	Okay.
	They weighed me towards him.
	And of course I refused after about four or five times.
	He gave up.
	Yes.
	Okay, and soon after that is when I finally, I guess I pulled out of the coma.
	I was in a coma for three weeks.
	Wow!
	Wow, that is really incredible.
	So in other words, during that time, that coma, you were in an alternative and near reality, but not reality.
	Not this reality.
	Oh, that's an amazing story.
	I really thank you for it, sir, and I take it you pulled out and came back to this world.
	It took me about another six months out of the hospital before I mentally pulled out of it.
	Yeah, now you're making sense.
	I really appreciate the call.
	There you go.
	That's exactly what I was talking about.
	There's a man who went somewhere else.
	Just went somewhere else.
	And then when the time came, he was returned.
	But actually lived another reality.
	The people were different.
	The physical setup was different.
	His boss gave him a trip to Canada.
	Totally out of character.
	And then all of a sudden, they came, he, it, came for him, And he came back, and when he did, he came out of the coma.
	Fascinating.
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	Alright, still unable to reach Dr. Barbie Taylor at the new number.
	I hope she's okay.
	We will try that again here in a bit.
	In the meantime, we will stay with open lines.
	I found that last story absolutely riveting.
	Do you think there could be another side that is, in effect, simply an alternative reality?
	Or maybe there are many of them?
	I don't know.
	An interesting mystery, to be sure.
	Um, on my, uh, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	This is Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	I just heard you say you were having difficulty reaching me, so I thought I'd better call you back.
	Well, good.
	I'm glad you have.
	You made it, huh?
	I certainly did, and I heard the last part of what you were talking about with that gentleman in terms of the separate reality.
	Yes.
	And you know what it reminded me of is that portion of Whitney's previous book where, in breakthrough, where he was talking about Coming off a freeway, he was with a young man, a friend of his son, and they went off the freeway, and then just for a moment, they were in a totally separate reality.
	That's right.
	Do you remember that part?
	Yes.
	Oh, very well.
	I thought that was one of the most fascinating parts of his book.
	And they were confused for a period of time.
	He continued to drive.
	It was completely unfamiliar to him.
	The structures were unfamiliar.
	In a moment, he drove back another way, and he was back to our reality, but in a separate location.
	That's right.
	Now, also, many times, associated with these conscious things that occur, as we just discussed, there will be a green flash or a flash that will occur, and suddenly you're somewhere else.
	I had not heard of that particular flash of light, especially a color.
	I certainly heard of people going into light that I had, you know, especially with the near-death experiences.
	But that's interesting.
	Where did that come from, in terms of the green flash of light?
	Who experienced that?
	That was one of the, or several of the stories were told, in which people were suddenly in utterly and completely different places.
	Or, even more interestingly, In the same place, without the modern buildings there.
	In other words, as the same area would have been, minus the way things are in the world right now?
	Well, certainly that makes it sound as though, in some way, they would induce some kind of a time warp.
	You know, whether we think of it as a future, or a past, or a dimensional shift, or whatever it is.
	Exactly.
	Reality is just more than what we perceive through our five senses.
	All right.
	I know that you've also worked with Dr. Stephen Greer of CE SETI.
	Yes, I was actually working very closely with Dr. Greer at the time that I became involved with the Bigelow Foundation, but what I was doing with Dr. Greer is I was the working group coordinator for Las Vegas which meant that two Saturdays a month there was a team of people who were trained and we went out into the field, out into the desert to different sites where we did the key study research using certain consciousness protocols to hopefully create some kind of an interaction with extraterrestrials or with chips.
	And I did this for about a year and a half as the Working Group Coordinator.
	And then I also was on the Executive Council, so I worked very closely with the small group of people that were kind of the guiding thought behind what he said he was doing at the time.
	And we would frequently go back to Asheville, North Carolina to Dr. Greer's home.
	And we were gathering the most credible, the best available evidence at the time, so that there could be briefings with world leaders about the fact that extraterrestrials are here and have been visiting the planet for a long period of time.
	It was an organization totally based upon diplomacy and on consciousness, which is the reason I became involved with it, because it was very positive.
	What were the results?
	I left CSETI about a year and a half ago because I was very actively involved in working on my book at the time and I just couldn't continue to do both.
	But I understand they had continued this project in doing the debriefings.
	I know that Dr. Greer, who was just a magnificent, articulate leader, he had debriefed people at a very high level within the government.
	I know that that has continued even beyond Yes.
	And I know that they have continued in gathering evidence.
	I believe he was on your Dreamland Show not all that long ago where there was some talk about some tape that he had received, a video I believe from Scotland that is supposed to be one of the best videos.
	That's right.
	It was also reported on by Linda Moulton Howe this last Sunday.
	Now has that, has anyone been able to view that publicly yet?
	Well, I don't think we've seen it in this country, but the reports on the internet are many, many, many.
	So it's going to make it over here eventually, and of course, I'm dying to see it.
	I'm sure you're aware of the 6th Annual International UFO Congress that will be meeting in Laughlin, Nevada in two weeks, January 18th.
	I'm wondering, and since that is also a film festival, I'm wondering if possibly that will be shown there.
	I don't believe Dr. Greer is on the program at this point, but I'm hoping maybe they'll make a special contact with him.
	Maybe that will happen.
	I'm sure they're trying.
	All right.
	Well, I do hope that that happens.
	But one of the other things that I did was do studies, which was the most extraordinary experience that I had with UFOs.
	I shouldn't even call them a UFO.
	It wasn't an unidentified flying object.
	It was definitely a ship of some kind.
	But there were five of us who went down to Mexico to do research This was in the beginning of 1993, shortly after I had moved to Las Vegas.
	We were there for six days.
	We were working in a very remote area east of Mexico City, on the east side of the volcano there, and we had extraordinary interactions where, in the middle of the night, in fact, the most vivid encounter happened at 11.45 p.m.
	We were doing what they call coherent thought sequencing, which is a type of, it's sort of like remote viewing in a way.
	You're projecting your consciousness out into space and then creating a visual image for extraterrestrial consciousness and guiding them back to where you are located.
	We were in the process of doing a procedure like that and Dr. Greer, we had our eyes closed at the time, but he got the message, open your eyes, look to the north, which he did.
	And there was an amber light that was coming directly between the two volcanoes.
	We had a high beam light which he flashed at the object and he immediately yelled to it, this is it!
	This is the real thing!
	And as we opened our eyes and looked at this amber object, which was really quite low to the horizon, it immediately turned towards us, came Very close to us.
	In fact, we were able, through using topographical maps and going back there the next day, to determine that it came within a mile of where we were located.
	It was already at a low altitude.
	It came even lower, and as it approached us, Dr. Greer flashed it two times.
	It flashed back at us two times as it was coming towards us.
	Then it kind of dipped down.
	Potentially it was going to land, but then it kind of pulled up.
	We saw the underside of the ship, and it was the triangle-shaped ship with the three white lights and the red light in the center.
	And then it flattened out again, went away from us, flashed back at us from the rear as we flashed it again two times, and then flashed back two times.
	Then it went down over a ridge, a low, a very low ridge, And what was so fascinating about that period of time, when it was closest to it, is that all of our equipment shut off.
	It was the, apparently, the electromagnetic effect.
	Was there any sound?
	There was absolutely no sound.
	No sound.
	And this object, I would say, was, we all estimated that it was probably about the size of a 747.
	But we're not talking about a small object.
	You know, this is going to sound far out, but let us imagine for a moment that these are not ETs.
	Let us imagine that these are craft from right here on earth.
	Something we have developed generations ahead.
	Maybe from Area 51 or, you know, who knows?
	I've wondered about this for some time.
	I had a very, very, very close encounter with a triangular object.
	I remember hearing about it.
	Yes, I hear and abhor about it.
	And there was no question about it.
	It was close.
	It was silent.
	It was triangular.
	It had the lights, it didn't fly, it floated directly over both my wife and myself and out across the valley.
	Other people here in the valley also saw it, so they exist.
	Oh, there's no actor, there's no question about that.
	I wonder if people like Dr. Stephen Greer, people like yourself, people like myself, and at that time I was doing Area 2000, you'll recall, I wonder if we're not toyed with.
	I've wondered about this more than once.
	If the people who are running these programs and these crafts, they know roughly where I would be.
	They know where Dr. Greer would be.
	It's pretty well advertised where he goes.
	And I just wonder if we're not toyed with.
	For example, earlier today I had Three A-10 aircraft fly about 100 feet over my house.
	It was quite an experience.
	I stood out there and watched them.
	I mean, I could almost wave to the pilot.
	And I think they know that I'm located here, and I think they play with me.
	I think there's a number of different things going on.
	I think that one of the things we have to recognize is when we talk about extraterrestrials, we're not talking about just one group of beings.
	That there are extraterrestrials that come from a variety of different places and they have their own particular agenda for why they might be here.
	I personally believe with a lot of evidence to support this belief that there is a group of extraterrestrials that interact with our inner government or whatever you want to call that aspect of our government that they've been working on these black projects.
	And I think that especially where you are, out in Puebla, and here near Las Vegas, that there definitely are things going on that relate more to some of our technology.
	I don't believe that's what was going on down in Mexico when we were down there.
	The reason that we had gone down and had that particular research trip in the first place is because ever since, I believe it was July 11th of 1991, when they had the solar eclipse in Mexico City, they began having all of the multiple fighting they've had
	a local rather very
	involved lockdown in mexico city the largest city in the world so much so
	that i understand that the of people of mexico city are almost now regarding the
	sighting of these objects with uh...
	i want to write word uh...
	that become normal normal i a m won't become normal for them uh...
	They talk about it on national television.
	They don't have the same interaction about it with their government as we do here.
	As a matter of fact, there have been several near collisions of aircraft in the Mexico City area, and these objects, whatever in the heck they are, Well, we saw not only this triangle craft, which, by the way, the very same thing happened again the next night, exactly at 1145, but instead of coming from the direction of the north and then coming towards us,
	Um, it was coming from the east this time and came towards us and once again dipped in such a way that we could see the underside and see the light and see it was the triangle craft.
	But we also saw disc shaped craft and there were three of us, Dr. Joseph Burke and myself and the man who was doing our technical, handling our technical equipment.
	We saw a small disc shaped craft about two o'clock in the afternoon and it was, it was so close and so clear that it was absolutely the closest sighting that I have
	ever had and totally, fully conscious all three of us saw it at the same time and we were so
	close to the volcano at that point that if it's my immediate, you know your brain tries to
	make sense of what you're seeing and my first immediate response is, oh this is a small
	airplane taking off because it was kind of at an angle and I believe we were looking at
	the side of a disc.
	So it looked sort of tubular, but it was very reflective of sunlight.
	It looked like tinfoil in the sun.
	But then I immediately realized there was no insignia.
	There was no wings.
	There was not a tail.
	And if this was a conventional craft, it would have hit the volcano, which is an 18,000-foot volcano.
	And besides that, we have just hiked that whole area the day before.
	There is not even villages out there, much less an airport, and there was no sound.
	Alright, well I'm beginning to get confused with regard to these objects, and whether they are part of a mystical experience, or whether they are really solid craft from elsewhere.
	In other words, Whether these are popping in and out of some other dimension or time, or whether they're actually from another place far, far away.
	Well, see, I believe it can be all of the above.
	I don't think that those things are necessarily mutually exclusive.
	I believe that there are very real crafts, nuts and bolts kind of crafts, that they may have the technology of understanding the dimension of time and be able to go in and out dimension so that we would perceive them at one point and
	then maybe not perceive them at another point. So I think they can travel
	interdimensionally and also I believe that there are, that I'm just that certain,
	that there are bases here too where these crafts are located, whether it's underground or in remote areas or
	Well, I have a feeling you're right, and I don't know... Stand by, Doctor.
	We'll be back to you.
	Which of the above is true?
	But one of them is, because clearly, very clearly, something really is going on.
	We'll be right back.
	By the way, the big news of the day is Newt Gingrich was re-elected.
	I imagine that's what most of the other talk shows are talking about.
	What a surprise, huh?
	Listen, we'll get back to Dr. Barbie Taylor, who has worked with people like Dr. Stephen Greer, Dr. Raymond Moody, has worked in all kinds of areas of parapsychology.
	In a moment.
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	All right, back now to my guest, Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	We're talking about the nature of the other side and some of the things on this side, and I, you know, I wonder If there really is a difference, if we're dealing with different things, or perhaps if it isn't that other side sort of opening up, popping in to this side.
	Strange as that may sound.
	Well, you know, I think part of what the quickening is about is about a dimensional shift.
	I think that in some ways we're sort of between third and fourth dimension at this point in time.
	But I believe that there are certain people who experience it more so than other people, and that those people who are beginning to awaken, let's call it their wake-up call, those people who are beginning to awaken to this level of understanding, I believe, will actually perceive things and possibly experience things as they evolve in the world and during this time of great change.
	Well, try this theory.
	Instead of somebody coming here, or aliens coming here, what if at some point there simply is a more complete breakdown between the two sides?
	I don't believe that they're mutually exclusive.
	I believe that there are extraterrestrial beings who have been interacting with us forever.
	In fact, I believe that we're here as a result of extraterrestrial beings who have been known as the gods throughout history.
	And I'm not saying that I don't believe that there is a creative life force.
	I do believe that there is a creative life force.
	But I believe that there has been this interaction forever.
	And that yet at the same time there also is an interdimensional aspect to what we perceive of as time.
	That time doesn't really exist as a linear form in the way that we think of it.
	Only as we make it so.
	Time is our invention.
	And I think it's only relevant here in this third dimensional reality.
	That I tend to agree with.
	And I believe that's why when we get into those arguments and some scientists get into
	the arguments that, well, certainly there can't be visitation here from outer space
	because of the distance that would need to be traveled and because of the speed of light
	and so forth.
	I think that's a misunderstanding and that we see who are so much more evolved technologically
	than we are that they are able to travel through time in a different way than we are.
	That may be right.
	Although I really believe that there are...
	Bye.
	time experimentation that are going on.
	So do I. And that we know a great deal more than what is the new deal to most people.
	I agree again.
	Let us go to the phones.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Barbie Taylor.
	Hi.
	Good morning, good morning to you both, and Gilbert.
	Yes.
	And Doctor, excuse me.
	Art, you're absolutely right.
	Time is our creation.
	Just as my former better half was wont to quote someone who said that if God did not exist it would be necessary for
	man to invent it.
	And I think he was absolutely right because he fancied himself an agnostic and by the time we separated and
	ultimately divorced he fell in love with a woman who was an active Christian
	and he was reading a book on how to think about God.
	when he came to visit me one weekend.
	And he ultimately married the woman and embraced God.
	So he did find a need to invent God.
	And just as she said about time, it is a figment of our imagination
	allows us to have a time frame in which to organize our activities.
	Correct. Well, it also comes from the fact, thank you, that we are mortal beings.
	And so it is necessary that we measure time, if for no other reason than to know how much time we've got
	here, roughly, and to conduct our daily activities.
	Um...
	So that's right, and it may well be that what we call the other side, for lack of a better term, simply may not measure time the way we do.
	You agree with that, Doctor?
	I certainly think that that is Uh, is undoubtedly very true, and that's why we can't quite perceive how it must be on the other side.
	Uh, and when we think in terms of reincarnation, and we think about somebody coming back, we think, well, how long are they there before they would come back?
	You know, what period of time that they're in between?
	Because we're constantly perceiving things in terms of this linear model of time.
	And I don't believe that's what, and I believe that quantum physics is beginning to show that that's not the way it really is.
	It's just the way we conceptualize it.
	Dr. Barbee Taylor, hello.
	Thank you very much.
	How is that lovely wife Ramona doing?
	Fine, thank you.
	Good, that's great.
	Well, Doctor, I have a question for you.
	Oh, yes?
	I'd like to challenge you to something.
	The next time you get together with some of your colleagues and you're trying to draw
	something extraterrestrial into our atmosphere, why don't you just try this for the heck of
	it to see if you can draw some of those MIAs and POWs that are still living in Southeast
	Asia to see if they can come home?
	Do you think that's possible?
	Well, I don't think in this type of technique that we're doing that that's going to be accomplished,
	but I certainly think it's important that there are people who continue to hold that
	in consciousness and deal with it in a political kind of a way so that that reality can happen.
	Okay.
	Maybe he meant...
	You You went on a search.
	You had a job to go on a search for the world's best medians.
	Well, maybe some of these POWs and MIAs are not with us on this side any longer.
	Well, that's an interesting way to be thinking about it.
	I'm sure that that is true for some of them.
	Maybe some of Dr. Raymond Moody's techniques used in the reunion technology Could be put to good use in that way.
	Exactly.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Watch out.
	Yes?
	With your program, you don't need sleep.
	Just keep rolling and rolling.
	Good thing.
	My son was recently put into a psychiatric hospital, and they gave him a drug to make him relax and sleep a lot.
	And since he's been on his drug, he seems to be hearing voices such as aliens and from his grandfather and stuff.
	And Dr. Taylor had mentioned something earlier that when persons became more receptive in a certain frame of mind.
	And I was wondering if you maybe could go into it a little bit?
	Alright.
	He brings up a good point.
	The pharmacology aspect of things.
	People, Doctor, are very hesitant to talk about this aspect because of the government attitude with regard to drugs.
	But, whether it's a prescription mind-altering drug, or an illicit mind-altering drug, would it be your opinion that that would be a path to an altered consciousness that may cause the brain to open itself to other things?
	Well, I think certainly that some of that is going on, and when people are labeled as schizophrenic, and they are hearing voices, of course, what the psychiatrists are usually trying to do is to use some sort of a medication to eliminate that.
	But I sometimes wonder how much, especially because of my background and care of psychology, as well as in psychology, I wonder, well, how much is there some kind of a bleed-through It has to do with other realities, whereas we're looking at schizophrenia as more of just a brain chemistry type of thing.
	That's right.
	I am certain from some of the work that I have done that there is such a thing as being affected by empathy.
	In fact, I have even done some work with people, I don't know if you've ever talked to Dr.
	She is a psychologist who has done some work with entity detachment or repossession, whatever terminology you might want to use.
	I have done some of that work myself and it is amazing as you're working with somebody in hypnosis and you may be talking to this entity that is there and residing within this person's consciousness or within their space.
	And then you begin to talk with this entity in such a way where you get the entity to go into the light and help it understand that it needs to move on in its own growth.
	I've had this happen a number of times where the person goes through a very significant sense of this entity leaving.
	They feel it physically.
	They perceive it at a visual level sometimes.
	And it changes their lives.
	I mean, it's really quite amazing.
	Well, Doctor, how many people may be languishing in psychiatric facilities who shouldn't be there?
	Well, I have speculated on that myself.
	Now, as a psychologist in private practice rather than as a psychiatrist, I am much more likely to be working with relatively well-functioning individuals who are just having some stress in one aspect of their life.
	So I'm not working with the people very often who are medicated or who are hospitalized.
	But I really believe that there is going to be a need for more professionals to begin to understand that there's more going on than just the way we have been trained about psychiatric disease.
	And that we need to understand from the psychological aspect that maybe there's more to reality What about poltergeists?
	and that some of these people are being affected by antidepressants and that they need some help in detaching from them.
	Alright, well that's another thing that you investigated, I know.
	I have not only investigated, like I said, I have actually worked with people and helped them go through this process
	and it's been quite significant for them.
	What about poltergeists?
	Dr. Chapp, who will be here Friday, will talk a great deal about poltergeists and there seems to be an awful lot of
	evidence that poltergeist activity is absolutely real and it seems to center many times around young teenage
	girls.
	Right.
	It may be some type of a more psychokinetic type of a thing, where there's some kind of brain activity that's going on, a seizure or something that is happening within that person's ability to affect Have you ever seen anything move in the air?
	No, I have not been involved in a situation where we were investigating poltergeist activity.
	Now, I know the Bigelow Foundation has been doing some work in that area, but this has been more recent and that wasn't the project that I worked on, but I had directly worked with other individuals, with professionals, Well, Dr. Taft has evidence of it, and he has seen it many times, as has Brad Steiger, for instance.
	I've interviewed him and so many others, and they've all seen this personally.
	Now, again, going back to the ability of our brain, it's why I ask, if we can move things with our brain, If we can move into another reality with our brain, just imagine, imagine the untapped, unknown portions of our brain that unless we, for example, these poltergeist sessions or activities seem to occur, as you pointed out, and as Dr. Taft did, when there's something associated with a seizure.
	Well, clearly when you have a seizure, Something else is going on.
	what is going on in your brain well i think that the what they sometimes call it dealt
	with your caller without without uh... but i would
	talking about about delta when we talk about brain wave frequency
	the normal waking it would be what they call data
	and that leveled down if you're going to be working with all the people of the
	either hypnotically or possibly meditation, would be alpha.
	The next level down would be theta, at a deeper level, and then delta would be what we're in when we're in deep sleep.
	But there's apparently more things that can go on at that delta level than just deep sleep.
	Now, there are some people that believe that all of us in deep sleep actually travel out of body,
	and that we are involved in some sort of activity beyond this particular dimension.
	I have no conscious awareness of that, but I certainly have talked with many people who feel that
	they do have a conscious memory of that.
	Now, I did go through a really interesting experience once.
	When I was first getting involved in an understanding of Eastern meditation and spirituality,
	I had learned about a very famous holy man by the name of Sai Baba.
	I don't know if you know of him at all.
	No.
	He's a holy man in southern India.
	He's frequently called the man of miracles because he's been very much associated with manifestations, or what we might think of as psychokinetic types.
	Miraculous occurrences.
	When I first began to be aware of him and read some books and began to get very interested
	in the miracles that were happening right here, right now in third dimensional reality,
	I went through a period of time, I would guess it was maybe several months, where I remember
	that during the time that I was sleeping I could visualize myself sitting on the floor
	next to him.
	He was sitting in a chair and I was sitting on the floor and he was teaching me.
	I know that this went on every single night for a long period of time.
	I could not wake up in the morning and tell you exactly what he taught me, but I knew
	that there was a long period of time where I was being taught in my sleep.
	That was one of the times where I did have a very conscious awareness that something
	was going on while I was sleeping.
	I think there's probably a lot that goes on while we're sleeping and I know certainly
	the Monroe Foundation gets into a lot of that in some of the work that they're doing.
	That's correct.
	They do.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My question for the doctor is about remote viewing.
	Alright.
	First of all, I do agree with her also about these crafts that some of them are from our government technologies that we have, but I saw crafts in 1959 that I estimated going 360,000 miles an hour through our atmosphere with bright red tails, about 12 of them in a V formation.
	My question is this.
	I have a friend who asked me what I knew about remote viewing and all I could tell her was what I heard on your program, Art.
	She is going to order some tapes from one of these institutes.
	It wasn't the Farsight Institute.
	She asked me, can it help me?
	When I go to the racetrack, is it going to help me betting on the horses for the next day?
	I don't know.
	I'm going to ask Art Bell.
	Maybe he can answer.
	Maybe the doctor can.
	Doctor, can you give a relatively short, succinct explanation of what the remote viewing discipline is?
	Well, let me see if I can find that.
	It's a type of a discipline where you're using very specific protocols to tune into a location
	that I believe they frequently give now just as sort of a random number or a target.
	That would be a good way to put it.
	The person is taught in a very specific way how to tune into this and they frequently
	will use drawing as well because that gets you much more into your right brain process
	and more creative, intuitive aspect of your mind.
	People are coming up with remarkable insights.
	And when you have several different people doing the very same thing, who don't even connect with each other, they seem to be able to come up with very specific things that relate.
	The same result.
	Right.
	And, uh, that then can be scientifically verified as a real process.
	when we come back we'll find out whether it could be applied to say
	the stock market for the horses as that caller suggested right after this
	Well, alright.
	Back now to Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	And, Doctor, I know you've got a book coming out.
	It's not out yet, right?
	That's correct.
	When does it come out?
	It will be out sometime in 1997.
	I'm not sure exactly when.
	There's been some delays through the potential publisher.
	And, in fact, I would be interested in talking with anyone who maybe could help me get this out within the next few months.
	Because I believe it needs to come out immediately because it's about How to very personally deal with this time of equipping and the changes that are taking place.
	How it affects you at a very personal level within your life.
	Alright, well there certainly are a lot of people affected.
	Do you have materials people can get now?
	I do phone consultations with people as well as the private practice in my office in Las Vegas.
	And people can reach me through my telephone number and also through my P.O.
	Box.
	It's area code 702-365-9696.
	And the P.O.
	Box is 36358, Las Vegas, Nevada, 89133-6358.
	You better give that again.
	Let me give the phone number once again.
	is 36358 Las Vegas, Nevada, 89133-6358.
	You better give that again.
	Let me give the phone number once again.
	It's area code 702-365-9695.
	I do phone consultations as well as private consultation in my office.
	And it is P.O.
	Box 36358 Las Vegas, NV 89133-6358.
	3 6 3 5 8 Las Vegas Nevada 8 9 1 3 3 dash 6 3 5 8 and for those people in Las Vegas
	I'm on the west side at Desert Inn and Rainbow Bay.
	That's where my office is located.
	All right.
	Very good.
	Back to the lines.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	This is Robert.
	Hi.
	This is Art Bell?
	Yes.
	I had a question for the doctor.
	Go ahead.
	Regarding remote viewing, I read Courtney Brown's book, and it seems like I have a moral problem with some of his conclusions.
	He claims he can enter a person's mind, as I understand it.
	To me, entering a person's mind or his consciousness without his permission is just as wrong as entering his house without permission.
	Well, I'm afraid I would have to agree with you on that.
	So would I. We have to have some level of integrity when you're using a technique like that.
	But I must say that when I heard Art interviewing Courtney Brown, I felt like he was coming from a very high level of consciousness.
	I was very impressed with the interview in November, where he was talking about the companion to Hale Boppitt sounded to me like he was coming from a very spiritual place.
	All right, suppose though, Doctor, that I wanted to use, to address the caller's question at the bottom of the hour, I wanted to use remote viewing for a less than honorable thing.
	I think the military has done.
	All right, but that aside, let's say I wanted to use it for personal gain, and I wanted to know the winner of a horse race.
	Well, you know, it's interesting, and that's what the other caller had asked as well.
	There was a group of people here in Las Vegas who were getting together to learn remote viewing, and they were particularly using it for gambling and for all the horse races, etc.
	And they kept having difficulty because things just kept falling apart.
	I mean, it seems like they kept having to be a new person come in to teach it.
	They couldn't keep the person who was teaching it, and they were having problems within the group.
	One person was having terrible dreams and felt that there was some sort of a negative energy.
	And I think that sometimes when you misuse this, you open yourself to negativity.
	And that whenever you're using consciousness techniques, you need to come from the highest degree of spiritual
	integrity.
	Well, that's very much like what Ed Dane said.
	He talked about the military remote viewing program, and he said that they lost an awful lot of people who were simply unable to handle the experience, meeting up with entities and Things that were not necessarily part of the target they were supposed to be going after.
	Absolutely, because I think you get into some of that dimensionality stuff that we were talking about, just like a shaman.
	Right.
	Yet a shaman is being trained at a very spiritual level, and some of the remote viewers, their training was more scientific, and I'm sure it was quite confusing.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Savoy, Illinois.
	This is Matt.
	Hi, Matt.
	And I was calling to share with you my first OBE that I had this morning.
	It was very interesting.
	It started with me driving my car, and there was a police car in front of me.
	I don't think it had anything relevant.
	The brick street was shiny from the rain.
	How do you know, sir, this was, if I can ask, an OBE versus a dream?
	Well, I listened to a show from Al Taylor, and I compared some of my experiences with the phone callers.
	Well, it came to, well, I ended up looking at my body.
	And then all of a sudden I was elevated from my car or I don't know if I was in my car at this point.
	I elevated very fast above the trees, above houses and everything and then all of a sudden I'm floating above my bed.
	I see my wife and I slowly, it was kind of like being in a three dimensional game on a computer or swimming in a dark pond maybe late at night where you get disoriented where the water above is and I couldn't really control it.
	And I was kind of going sideways head first into the floor.
	I was very relaxed.
	I haven't got Al Taylor's book yet.
	I want it really bad.
	I can't get it.
	The bookstore keeps calling and saying they're trying to get it.
	So I haven't even done it.
	I think my subconscious was working for me that if I do ever get this opportunity I'm going to relax.
	I did.
	I was kind of going head first down here on the floor next to the bed.
	I wanted to see if I could see my body and I did.
	I've got to tell you, it's so great.
	I remember after waking up and then I wanted to wake up and I did.
	I started moving my fingers really slow and I woke up.
	It wasn't a very exciting OBE because it only lasted about 30 seconds as far as I know.
	Like Al Taylor was saying, you kind of float around your room a little bit.
	That's what I was doing and it was scary.
	I remember your response.
	It was scary.
	I was relaxed and I think I did okay for a first time.
	It's so great to share that with you because that was my first thought when I woke up and started moving around.
	Alright, well thank you for sharing that and let's ask Dr. Barbie about this.
	Dr. OBE's, how much looking into that have you done?
	Back in the late 70's when I was doing my internship at the VA hospital, I was reading Robert Monroe's book, Journeys Out of the Body, and I also had the opportunity to meet him at a conference in Kansas and talk with him about some of the things he didn't include in the book, because he kept talking about that he had a lot of sexual type experiences, but then he didn't go into detail about them.
	But I found that just in reading the book and then practicing some of what he described in the book, Journeys Out of the Body, I began to have some of those very strong vibratory experiences that you described, where I felt that it felt as though my whole body was just shaking almost violently, but when I looked at my body it was perfectly still, that I was feeling the vibration that strongly.
	But the one real vivid out-of-body experience that I had was actually in a dream where I Having an out-of-body experience, and then what became conscious of it, like a lucid dream, and said to myself, wow, this is an out-of-body experience!
	And as soon as I did that, I immediately awakened.
	It's a very real phenomenon.
	For several years here in Las Vegas, I was working in a rehab practice with a lot of people who had been injured in one way or another, or who had gone through surgery, and many of them talked to me about the experiences that they may have had, either in the All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie.
	Welcome.
	Hello.
	How you doing?
	Fine.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Sacramento, California.
	Okay.
	Alright, Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie, welcome.
	Hello?
	How you doing?
	Fine, where are you sir?
	I'm in Sacramento, California.
	Okay, go ahead.
	This is Ted.
	Okay, Ted, you kind of sound like you're at the bottom of a barrel somewhere.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I got one of those cheap phones, you know.
	Uh, you must have, uh, you must have, are you on a speakerphone?
	No, I'm not on a speakerphone.
	I'm on a Lennox.
	A Lennox 919.
	I bought it at McPhurgos for $12.
	Uh-huh, it sounds exactly like you did.
	Anyway, very briefly, what can we do for you?
	Well, you know, I just wanted to tell you, I just got up a second ago.
	I was just asleep a few minutes ago, and I had an OBE myself.
	And the OBE was that I went to a two-inch pipe, and all of a sudden this kind of... You're still in a two-inch pipe.
	I get it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air with Dr. Barbie.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	I've been a short-time listener, I guess, about a month.
	I'm in Gary, Indiana.
	I listen on WLS in Chicago.
	Right.
	And if there's one thing I've learned listening to your show, that we don't sleep that much, so I don't think out-of-body experiences are that common with our Bell listeners.
	That may be.
	My question is short, two-parter.
	I have heard a theory, and I don't know if there's anything to it, about the possibility of out-of-body exploration of space.
	Yes.
	And part two would be, if anybody's heard anything about that, and part two would be regarding remote viewing.
	Has anybody attempted or heard that anybody attempted, since this remote viewing seems to be, there seems to be a lot of relevance to it, remote viewing of Area 51 for civilian reconnaissance?
	All right.
	I prefer to deal with the first question, really.
	And in this way, Doctor, is it possible that what we call entities or spirits, in fact, may be people who are, in fact, having an out-of-body experience?
	Well, that's interesting.
	I think that when they're in that dimension, they certainly are like what we would think of as an entity.
	Exactly.
	So that is possible.
	But I think frequently when people are having some sort of a problem with entity detachment, it is more like what we would call a discarnate entity that is somehow still attached to the earth plane, that for some reason they haven't moved on in their own particular spiritual growth and they're still attached to the third dimensional reality.
	Uh, which sometimes are relatively benign, and other times are, um, uh, benevolent, and other times are malevolent.
	So, you know, I think that there can be a wide variety of experiences that people may have with these, uh, beings.
	All right, uh, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie.
	Hi.
	Hi, how you doing?
	All right, sir, where are you?
	I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.
	All right, fire away.
	I need to clear my voice a little bit.
	Uh, Doctor, I'd just like to ask you a question.
	Make it brief as possible.
	I just need to know if anybody else, possibly including yourself, has heard anything.
	About a month ago, I had this weird experience.
	It happened two days in a row, and I've never had anything quite like it before.
	It was at a certain time.
	I don't know if it was exactly the exact time, both days, but it was just a bright flash, basically.
	I took a picture of you or something and now my whole body started to buzz.
	I don't know how to explain it.
	Maybe I got hit by a sense of electricity or something of that sort.
	I was just wondering if you've heard of anybody else that has had an experience similar to
	that?
	Well, certainly when I was doing that work with the Journeys Out of the Body book and
	practicing some of those techniques, I was having very strong vibratory experiences.
	And in kundalini yoga, where we're talking about the kundalini energy that the Hindus would talk about being at the base of the spine, people have had experiences where suddenly that energy has suddenly broken through in such a way where they have quite strong physical experiences.
	So I certainly think that we're expected By many things that may be going on within the body and within the energy that the body is actually energy.
	Do you think it could possibly be from just my, well I've always had an interest in this aspect of spirituality and that way of living but I've just recently started listening to Art Bell only about a year ago and I myself have read that Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey and I was wondering if it might have been just Manifestation from reading that material.
	Well, it may be.
	I think that's certainly what happened with my own experience that I had back in the 70s.
	But I also think that we're all going through, and not maybe all of us, but many, many people on the planet are going through a spiritual awakening and that it is affecting us at a physical level as well.
	And that frequently when we're sleeping or at other times we may have experiences where we feel like somehow our body is making some sort of adjustment to this Well, I would observe that with what I have come to call the quickening, that there is a spiritual change underway in many.
	I totally agree with that.
	I believe that that is exactly what is taking place on this planet, that we are spiritual beings acting out a human lifetime and that we're in a time of great change.
	And that it's going to be affecting us on all levels, physically, spiritually, politically, educationally, our understanding of what the extraterrestrial visitation is, the dimensionality shifts.
	I believe in all of these things that we are having an awakening and will begin to understand these things and experience them differently.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie.
	Hi.
	How are you doing, Art?
	I've got two things for you here.
	Today I was listening to Michael Reagan and he gave you a compliment.
	He did?
	Yep.
	He said, well, there was a caller that was asking about the Heart Project.
	Yes.
	And he said that Art Bell was one of the premier people with knowledge on that in the country.
	Well, I don't know about that.
	I've certainly had the premier people with knowledge about that on my program.
	But you've exposed so many people to that Awareness, so that they can maybe start writing to their congressmen and their senators, and get some kind of an open forum going about that, because I think that may have a major influence on part of the reason we're having such changes in our weather patterns.
	Well, they are dealing with frequencies that, as I understand it, are basic to the brain.
	They certainly are.
	Yes, anything else, caller?
	Oh, also, have you heard about a thing called wave riders?
	Wave Rider.
	Right.
	No, Doctor?
	No, that's not something I'm familiar with.
	Well, anyway, last weekend I was traveling from, I live in Kansas City, and I was going to see my family in Missouri, and I was scanning the AEM dial when I was driving, and I came across a program, I don't really know who it was or really what station it was on, but I caught the tail end of it, and they were talking about a thing that the DOD came out and announced About some kind of a craft that they had that burnt exotic, some kind of exotic fuel, and it could reach speeds up to Mach 15.
	Right.
	And I just, that's really all I know about it.
	And they said it's been flying around for a while, and I just wondered... Oh, okay, okay, okay.
	Mark McCandlish, who was a guest we had on recently, talked about a craft exactly like that.
	I'm sorry I had that confused.
	I thought that term was...
	Uh, one you were applying to something we were talking about.
	Uh, he's talking about a newer, uh, or experimental aircraft.
	And I'm certainly, uh, familiar with that from Mark McCandlish.
	Um, well, Doctor, it has been a pleasure, definite pleasure, having you on the program.
	Well, this has been just a delightful experience for me as well.
	I can't believe how quickly the time goes.
	It just goes like that.
	And we will have you back again.
	I would love that, especially since I'm your neighbor, essentially.
	You certainly are.
	At any rate, thank you.
	It's been a great pleasure.
	Thank you so much, Alex.
	You take care.
	That's Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	So, am I right about that?
	It's her last name, Taylor.
	Am I right about that?
	Yes, Taylor.
	That is correct.
	I was afraid for a second I might have had her confused with Albert Taylor, but I don't.
	They share the same last name.
	Dr. Barbie Taylor.
	All right, we're going to go into open lines for the next couple of hours.
	Anything you would like to talk about is fair game.
	I have this funny feeling that a lot of you are very interested in this OBE business.
	We've been in and out of that on the show now for quite some time.
	It is absolutely fascinating.
	The ability to leave your body and to go where?
	Into what realm?
	For what reason?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not convinced.
	It is a good thing.
	And by the way, with regard to remote viewing, I'm not even convinced that's a good thing.
	Does that surprise you?
	This is CBC.
	All right, back to it we go.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	It's PJ from Candy Country.
	Yes, sir.
	This is an interesting story I'd like to tell you about.
	I got a jury summons last year.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I had done jury service before, but I didn't feel like doing it this time.
	So I threw it away.
	Oh no, that's a bad move.
	Bad move.
	You're supposed to call up and say, look, I have this critical thing that I'm doing.
	Uh, it's necessary to the national security of our entire country.
	I just can't make it, but instead you threw it away?
	I threw it away.
	Mmm.
	So I go to work out in my, uh, club, right?
	Yeah.
	I go to a workout club and, uh, I have a stationary bike.
	Yeah.
	And... Call the wildcard line.
	Area 702-727-1295.
	Area 702-727-1295.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Assistant Director Skinner on the X-file?
	Um, wait a minute.
	The assistant director for the X-Files came to sit next to you?
	He plays the assistant director of the FBI.
	Oh, the FBI, alright.
	Yes.
	And so he's working out on the stepladder climber next to me, and I'm on the bike.
	Yeah.
	And so, of course, I recognize him.
	And this is in the middle of the day, so there's not a lot of people around.
	Uh-huh.
	And so I say, hey, I love Q's show.
	I think your character is pretty interesting.
	We had a little conversation.
	When I had gone into the locker room before that, I had my combo lock.
	My combo lock is one that I programmed.
	I set the numbers for them.
	They had been set long ago, but no one was around me.
	I would punch them in.
	I punch them out and it opens and I put my stuff in and go work out.
	So anyway I'm working out and we're talking about things and I say that's a pretty interesting show and everything weird happens and he says yeah, you wouldn't believe how many aliens that FBI guy sees.
	So I finish working out and I put my stuff away and I go home.
	About three weeks later I get a final notice during some instances.
	You were going to jail if you don't report.
	Yeah.
	And it says, please call in your special number.
	Right.
	On the envelope, yeah.
	Whatever, yeah.
	The number was exactly the same as my combination.
	So did you call him?
	Yeah, I went.
	I went, but the fact of the matter was too weird.
	He's an X-File guy.
	Uh, they got exactly the number that I programmed into my lock.
	Karma, sir.
	Yeah, very karma.
	Alright, thank you.
	Uh, don't throw away a jury duty summons.
	Is the moral of that story.
	Don't do that.
	You call them.
	You say, okay, I'll be there.
	I'm looking forward to it.
	Or I can't do it.
	I'm working on the nation's latest aircraft and I'm needed.
	You know, whatever it is you're going to say.
	But don't throw it away.
	Bad form.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
	You've been calling up and following me?
	Yep, yep, yep, yep.
	Oh, he's been doing a good job.
	Don't, don't, don't encourage him.
	I don't want to encourage him.
	He's an idiot.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art.
	How you doing today?
	Fine.
	Where are you?
	Hi, I'm Robin calling from Santa Fe.
	Where?
	California.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to read a little bit of poetry.
	No, thank you.
	We don't read poetry on the air, sir.
	I appreciate the thought, but we don't do that.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Al.
	How are you?
	Fine.
	This is Stu in Fort Lauderdale.
	Yes, sir.
	I sent you a fax yesterday about an article about you in the paper.
	Did you happen to get that, by any chance?
	I think I did.
	About the comment on the front page?
	Yes.
	And talking about your radio program?
	Yes, I appreciate it.
	You talk about you've got a telescope.
	Have you had a chance to use it yet?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	As a matter of fact, when I get off the air this morning, I may have, I may have the first clear night to go take a look.
	We'll see.
	What's a good power?
	I'm looking to get a telescope.
	Well, I'm not the good guy to ask.
	I mean, I just got my first one, the one I haven't even used yet.
	I'll tell you what I did get for it.
	I got an adapter for my 35mm camera, so I can take photographs, get them developed, then I can put them up on the web myself.
	You and Chuck can swap pictures.
	There you go.
	Let me ask one other thing.
	The letter that you had on your website from Priest, and that picture of the Coral Castle, are they still up there?
	I believe so, yes.
	In what section?
	Do you have any idea?
	No, the website is like a gigantic Um, what would be the right word?
	Maze?
	Maze.
	Yeah, it's like a maze.
	Um, and after something has been permanently displayed, then it will go to a specific area.
	Maybe what we need up there is some kind of directory.
	That'd be great.
	Let me bring that up with Keith, thank you.
	It is a very good question, because even I have a very difficult time navigating back to a certain area.
	in the website or finding something once it has gone to a certain area.
	That's a good idea.
	We need a directory.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	My name is Art Murray.
	I'm calling from Monmouth, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	I'd like to share something with you that happened to me about 12 years ago.
	Right away.
	All right.
	Well, first off, I was in Salem and I was with a friend who had to leave to go to work.
	This is around 10 o'clock at night.
	We were at a local bar there.
	I was with a girl and I had never met her before.
	Anyway, she had a friend with her and my buddy actually took care of somebody at a house.
	I suggested to these girls that we go over to the house and we have some drinks.
	So they agreed and we got in the car with the two girls and we proceeded up this long steep hill.
	There was only one turn on it that led to the left.
	I told them, well I told the female that was driving, I said, don't turn left, just keep going straight.
	She said, no problem.
	Start going up the hill and she turns left.
	Takes me back down to the bottom of the hill and I thought, well anybody can make that mistake.
	So we go back up the hill, and I said, OK, remember, don't turn left, Eric.
	He said, no problem.
	He turned left.
	This was before the drinks?
	Actually, this was after the drinks.
	This was around 2 o'clock in the morning.
	Well, there you go.
	OK.
	So we went back up about three more times.
	He turned left every time.
	I was getting a little annoyed, to say the least.
	So I told her, I said, look, there's a parking lot right over here.
	Just let me out of the car.
	And she says to me, she says, no, you know, that's all right.
	I can go back up the hill.
	And I said, no, no, no, no.
	We've already tried this six or seven times.
	And I really don't want to do this.
	So I said, please let me out of the car here.
	And she kept arguing, telling me, oh, no, you can come and stay at my house and this and this.
	I said, no, no, no, no, no.
	Let me out of the car now.
	And so she stopped in the large parking lot that I asked her to.
	The moment that I opened the door, it started pouring rain.
	And I mean big, fat rain.
	And it drenched me immediately.
	Now I have somewhat of a 50's pompadour, you might say.
	And that was instantly just pushed down into my face.
	My sparkle was soaked completely through.
	I was just absolutely just drenched in rain.
	I looked over to the right and there's an older man standing underneath one of these overhangs like what might be in front of a store, like an awning.
	In fact, it was an awning.
	This guy is just standing there staring across the street.
	I look over.
	I don't see much.
	I just see a lot of puddles starting.
	I walked over to him and I said, so what's up here?
	I was in strength.
	He said, well, I'm watching my house float away.
	I said, you're watching your house float away?
	I looked across the street and there was a cardboard box floating across the street.
	I felt really bad for this guy.
	I said, look, you can have all the money that's in my pocket here.
	I just offered it to him.
	I think that I only had a few dollars on me at that point.
	I gave him all the money that I had and all the change.
	There's a cannery right down the street here on Patterson Street.
	Go upstairs.
	There are some lunches up there.
	I used to work there.
	Sit down and have yourself a nice little meal.
	Unfortunately, someone else will expense.
	Get yourself a nice hot cup of coffee and that should do you.
	He said, thank you very much.
	He said, I can't believe that you're being so nice to me.
	I said, there's no problem there.
	Everybody is down on their luck every once in a while.
	So, I decided I was going to walk across the street and up this muddy embankment to the highway.
	I had no way home.
	It's 2 o'clock in the morning, pouring down rain.
	I'm soaked.
	I just gave all my money to this guy.
	I walked about, I'm going to say, 20 yards.
	After 20 yards of walking, I stopped and I turned around and the guy was gone.
	Completely gone.
	Just, I mean, literally disappeared.
	And I looked all around, standing there in the rain.
	I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
	I was kind of, he just wasn't there.
	So I continued across the street.
	Went behind the bar.
	Went up the mud embankment.
	Still pouring.
	I'm slipping down it.
	I'm covered in mud now.
	I'm drenched in rain.
	I'm washing my hands in the rain.
	It's coming down so hard.
	There are no cars on the street.
	I'm about six foot two.
	Drenched.
	Muddy.
	Standing out in this, you know, highway.
	Yeah.
	By myself.
	And here comes one car.
	And I thought, well, here goes.
	So I stuck my thumb out.
	And the car pulled over, and it was a priest.
	And I turned and I looked, and there was that guy standing underneath the awning again, looking at me.
	And, I mean, one minute he's there, one minute he's not there, the next minute he is there.
	So, where are we going with this?
	Okay, okay.
	Now, this guy, okay, now I get in here with the priest.
	He asks me where I'm going.
	Tell him I was going to Monmouth.
	He says, Oh, so am I. I said, Oh, great.
	So I'm kind of silent.
	He just keeps looking over at me.
	He's not saying anything.
	He just keeps looking over at me, smiling, and just kind of keeps going.
	I tried to make some conversation.
	I don't recall what it was.
	I was a little freaked out about the whole situation, just everything that had happened to me in this short period of time.
	He says, So whereabouts in Monmouth?
	I told him.
	He says, Well, I'm going about.
	About a block away from there so I can drop you off right in front of your house.
	So I'm thinking this is really weird.
	He pulls over in front of my house and before I get out I was thinking this is really strange.
	He looks at me and he says, stranger things have happened.
	Then he drives off.
	That was it?
	That was it.
	But it was the strangest run of events.
	I understand.
	Just a whole sequence of really weird... One after the other after the other.
	I mean, within a matter of about 20 minutes.
	Alright, well, what may have happened to you, and may have happened to an earlier caller, is sort of a slip.
	I think every now and then, things slip.
	Haven't you all felt it?
	When things are not quite in sync?
	Things are not quite right?
	Remember the fellow who called earlier, who was shot several times and went home and things were all out of place?
	People were not quite right, things were not quite right.
	About, in real time, six weeks later, he came out of a coma.
	Have any of the rest of you ever felt that?
	That you've slipped into a sort of an alternative, not quite right reality?
	And then back in again.
	Have you ever felt that?
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Morning, Art.
	This is Richard from Phoenix.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi, how you doing?
	Alright.
	Alright.
	How many calls have I ever told you that you were included in their nightmare?
	Some?
	I've had people call and say that I've been included in their... and I think I know why.
	Why?
	Well, because people sleep, many of them, during these hours.
	And they leave the radio on.
	Yeah?
	I had one, but the radio wasn't on.
	And I was pretty... I usually don't remember my dream.
	Did you want to hear it?
	I was in your dream.
	Well, you were included in it.
	I didn't see you.
	But you were included in it.
	Well, I'm not a dream interpreter, but... If you don't want to hear it, I'll just hang up.
	Um, that's alright.
	I mean, if it's really interesting, go ahead.
	Well, basically, I was like a kid again.
	Yeah?
	Like, like maybe pre-teen or something.
	And, uh, I was in bed, and I woke up in my dream in bed.
	Okay?
	And then I looked out the window, and I saw all these lights, you know, like spotlights and vans and helicopters flying around?
	Sure.
	With their spotlights on.
	And I woke up, and I looked out the window, and I was like, what the heck's going on out there?
	So I got out of bed and my brother woke up and he followed me and there was this van with people on the ground with guys dressed in black with guns.
	They were just laying there but they weren't dead.
	They were on stretchers.
	They were like, what are you doing here?
	You shouldn't be seeing this.
	So we started to run away and they chased after us.
	They said, well, it's too bad you saw this now.
	I mean, you're going to have to go with them now.
	So I went in the house and I told my mother, I said, they're taking us away.
	But I was scared, but I was like, I had to go.
	But I wasn't like afraid to go.
	And I said, but make sure you tell Art Bell.
	He'll tell everybody about this.
	And that was the end of it.
	Interesting.
	Well, I was there.
	I remember that.
	Hey, did you see that show that Discovery Channel's now running on UFOs?
	Um, yes, I've heard about it.
	A lot of people have called me about it.
	Really?
	I suggest that you might want to watch it.
	It shows the planes that you had on your show.
	They were talking about at least a small trail with the donuts around it and all that.
	Oh, yeah.
	The one that Mark McCandless talked about.
	Yeah.
	Listen, one more thing, sir.
	Yeah.
	Though you have not been taken away yet, Now that you've said all this on the air?
	Yeah.
	We're going to have to have you taken away.
	Oh, really?
	Well, then that'll solve all my problems.
	Don't be so sure.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Yeah, Art?
	Hello.
	Hi.
	This is Lorraine calling from Kansas.
	Yes.
	I called you about three weeks ago in regards to Hale-Bopp being discovered two years prior to Yes, that's correct.
	I found his name.
	And his name is?
	Paul Cass.
	Yes.
	He discovered it April 27, 1993.
	And he unknowingly captured it on film.
	Yes.
	And I've got a picture of it right now.
	I want to send it to you.
	All right.
	Okay, and I don't have your address.
	All right.
	It is Art Bell.
	Uh-huh.
	4755 in Pahrump.
	That's P-A-H-R-U-M-P, Nevada.
	Or in the zip code 89041-4755.
	Okay, great!
	I'll get that in the mail tomorrow.
	Alright, I'll look forward to that.
	And she is right.
	I've heard the same thing.
	Now, discovery means, I think, recognizing what you're seeing.
	But she may be exactly right that two years ago they got an image of it and simply, at that time, did not identify it.
	I'll look forward to getting that photograph.
	Now maybe it's just me, but you know, we're talking tonight about a sort of an altered
	sense of reality.
	A time when you feel a little bit as though things are not quite in sync.
	I'm having one of those nights tonight.
	In fact, now.
	I just went outside and I looked at our desert sky.
	Lo and behold, it is as clear as it can be.
	The stars are shining and bright.
	But you know what?
	There is no moon.
	At least no moon I can find.
	Now, are we at a new moon?
	We probably are.
	Just my luck.
	It finally clears up and there's no moon.
	Now, as you know, I have a telescope.
	And I'm not adverse to trying some of the other stars or planets to look at.
	But I thought I would begin with something easy, like the moon.
	And finally we get a clear night, and I see no moon.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Art Bell?
	That's me.
	Yeah, I have some information for you about, you know, UFOs you said you've seen?
	Uh, yes.
	The triangle ones?
	Yes.
	And if they were, um, anyhow related to our government?
	Yeah.
	Oh, well there's, um, there's some Native American myths in Mexico that they've seen, um, UFOs way before And if we had any of the technology, and the Spanish even wrote about it in their history books.
	Oh, I know.
	Over in Mexico City, well, what's now known as Mexico City.
	No, I know, sir.
	Yes, the reports are legion out of Mexico City.
	No question about it.
	Legion.
	They're seeing so many of them down there, they're regarded as normal, everyday events.
	People go, oh yeah, there's another one.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Rick from Garland, Texas.
	Hello, Rick.
	I'm curious as to whether you've ever heard of a guy by the name of Dr. Albert Caniff?
	No.
	He was involved in some mind projection experiments at NYU around 1975.
	I ran into him in the Harrisburg airport through a long sequence of mistakes and spent about
	an hour talking to him about his experiments.
	I was just wondering if the guy is still alive or if you can get him on your show.
	I'd love to.
	You know me, I'll have anybody.
	So maybe somebody else will help us out.
	We will find out if he still is among the living, and if so, who knows?
	Maybe we'll get him on.
	Well, I'll stay tuned.
	All right, thank you.
	Sure.
	I wonder about the efficacy of remote viewing.
	If it really is possible to get into somebody else's mind, and in effect read their thoughts, or even more seriously affect their thoughts, and I'm told it is possible, then it's the end of privacy.
	It may be the end of individual thought, because how can you know Whether a thought you're having is your own, or something that has been projected to you.
	And if people actually are able to enter others' minds, and inculcate ideas or thoughts that they will regard as original, imagine the possibilities, or as the people with the credit cards say, master the possibilities.
	My goodness.
	Um, dictators, presidents, leaders, world leaders.
	What could be done?
	It's endless.
	East of the Rockies or on the air?
	Uh, Art, this is Dee from Germantown, Tennessee.
	Yes.
	Any subject, you say?
	Any subject.
	Um, you know, I'm one of the white women in the world who think that, uh, O.J.
	could not have done the murder and leave those bodies for his children to find.
	You mean would not have?
	Would not.
	And so now that they've got the 30 new pictures of Bruno Mars shoes, I think he should go on the stand and say, you know, I've been thinking about it, and I did have one pair of those shoes I wore to that Buffalo Bills game in 1993.
	But you know, he said, without equivocation, or maybe he was equivocating, that he never owned any such shoe.
	Well, I know, but he said, I just didn't realize what they were, but I gave those shoes to Ron Chip.
	Well, um... He double-crossed O.J.
	You think so?
	Yes, he talked about him having a dream about killing Nicole.
	I remember that, yes.
	He's a slippery guy and wouldn't call him a friend.
	Well, I think O.J.
	Simpson, I think, my opinion, Is that he did it?
	Well, I don't think he could unless he was out of his mind.
	And then how could he have been so efficient to clean up and get on the airplane and go?
	Well, uh, there's a lot there to be considered.
	Thank you.
	Um, the cleanup part is a tough question.
	But they did find blood in the Bronco.
	Remember?
	I've heard they found blood in the house.
	They never did test in his sink.
	In the drain, remember?
	I think that he's facing a very difficult time right now because the new photographs clearly show those shoes, that he had those shoes.
	Meanwhile, they've got an expert arguing the first photograph was touched up.
	Maybe so, but what about all the new ones?
	So he's got a problem.
	No question about it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Morning, Mark.
	Hello.
	Clyde from Missouri.
	Yes, sir.
	I wanted to know, did you ever find out a fact of why a man cannot have more than three wives?
	Or one wife?
	That's one wife, sir.
	Do you have three?
	No, no, no.
	Oh, okay.
	No, that was brought up a couple weeks ago.
	Well, no, a lot of people have sent me messages, but nobody has yet You told me constitutionally where it is prohibited.
	Uh, yes.
	So why, can you?
	The reason.
	If a man had three wives.
	Yes.
	His neighbor had three wives.
	Yeah.
	They could run off a lot of kids.
	One kid could possibly move away to another town.
	And one kid might end up marrying his sister in another town.
	Well, that's possible with only one wife, sir, and several children.
	Well, if you had a lot of people.
	But if you take three men, that could run off a lot of kids.
	And if they had a baby, it could be a turnip of a... you know?
	Well, alright, yes.
	That's... That's something I suppose you would think about.
	But nobody has satisfactorily explained where, constitutionally, A man or a woman is prohibited from having more than one legal partner.
	Anybody have any thoughts on that?
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hey Art.
	Hey.
	You were reading my mind, I swear.
	Just when you thought you heard it all, I just couldn't believe it.
	I was going to call and ask, is it my imagination or is tonight's show just getting weirder and weirder by the minute?
	Oh, it absolutely is.
	It's almost surreal.
	I don't even believe it's happening, like you were saying.
	When you get off the air, you go out with your new telescope and look almost straight above your head, just below Leo, there's planet Mars, the red planet waiting for you.
	Really?
	Just almost straight up, huh?
	Almost straight up, looking kind of towards the south.
	You'll see a bright red object up there.
	That's the red planet Mars.
	Well, I would like to have begun with the moon.
	Where the hell is the moon?
	Well, it's a new moon, so it's out of sight, but that's the ideal for the telescope, because when the moon's out, you really can't take advantage of everything else that's up there.
	Well, I'm told, and even with binoculars, I've noticed a sliver or a quarter moon is just about perfect.
	It's an exaggeration of features that way, so it looks a little bit nicer than trying to look at it head-on.
	Yeah.
	But you'll learn to like when the moon's not out, because then you can see everything else.
	I'm sure you're right.
	But Chuck, try to check out Mars.
	Give it a little practice.
	It's straight above your head on most looking stuff.
	I'll give it a shot.
	All right, Art.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Take care.
	Yeah, he's right.
	Some nights, it's just weird.
	I mean, you go to open lines, and the audience is in a very strange, bizarre, mass sort of mood.
	Any of the rest of you sense that?
	And it's all in one night.
	It's as though everybody is affected the same way.
	Which, by the way, brings me back to my discussion about the quickening.
	And I think it's affecting everybody in a very similar way.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	I apologize.
	My name is Robert.
	I just wanted to read poetry.
	No, no, no, no.
	One call per show, sir.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hi, Art.
	Steve from South Dakota.
	Hi, Steve.
	I heard you talking about the moon.
	Yes.
	We passed into the new moon phase on January 9th.
	The first quarter moon is on January 15th.
	The full moon is on January 23rd.
	And on January 31st, we'll have the last quarter moon.
	Well, when is the first day I can go out and get it?
	We used to sliver.
	Oh, probably around the...
	It's good and clear out there tonight.
	Boy, I'm just dying to get out there.
	enough time for another storm to come in and cloud up.
	It'll be sort of coming up then.
	And as the guy said, Mars is practically at Zenith right now, which is right overhead.
	I'll try.
	Okay, Art.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	I will try.
	It's good and clear out there tonight.
	Boy, I'm just dying to get out there.
	I mean, I've been taking it out during the day and looking at the mountain behind me
	and that sort of thing and different targets on the ground, but that's no fun.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Pete in Portland.
	Hello, Pete in Portland.
	Before I talk to you about what your guest said about an eclipse in Mexico.
	Yes.
	Did you hear about the livestock mutilation that happened?
	Where?
	This weekend, in Colorado, a whole herd of broncos were totally annihilated by, I guess it was jungle cats or British sports cars, I couldn't tell which.
	Then on the East Coast, a whole pack of cowboys were similarly annihilated by panthers or something.
	There may be a connection.
	I've not heard of either one.
	You haven't?
	No.
	I saw it on TV.
	They've got videotapes.
	Well, I didn't see it.
	I'm talking about the NFL.
	Oh.
	Pete, if I had you against a wall right now?
	I'd be full of holes, wouldn't I?
	Yes, sir.
	No, what your guest said about the Mexican eclipse.
	Right.
	Yes.
	You know, could it be that if there are time-traveling astronauts?
	Couldn't they use, instead of these prop circles, couldn't they use an astronomical event like an eclipse as a great place to mark a particular place in time where they should look?
	Well, they could.
	It would be like a marker in time, sure.
	Sure, that's possible.
	I am pursuing a group of people Who have been working on a time machine for some years.
	I said this on the program yesterday, and I'm saying it again now.
	And I am going to contact... I have contacted these people.
	I don't want to say a lot more right now, but if one day I'm just gone... First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Uh, is this right, Bill?
	Yes, it is.
	Hey, Art, uh... First time callers, call Area 702-727-1222.
	Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.
	Pardon?
	Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.
	You're not allowed to give your last name on the air.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	That's all right.
	I had to bleep it out, so we'll start again.
	It's Chuck.
	Okay.
	I'm here in, uh, Salem, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	And, uh, I once heard, uh, An old saying is said, if you listen carefully, you may hear the thoughts of another and think them your own.
	Yes.
	You ever heard that?
	No, but it makes sense.
	Well, the reason I was calling basically, I wanted to change the subject.
	Have you ever heard of the expanding earth?
	No.
	Well, there's a scientist by the name of S. Warren Carey, who's Really, actually, a well-known geologist, who's published several volumes on the Earth, and it's really actually growing.
	Physically growing.
	Seems to me you could prove that.
	You bet.
	I mean, we have satellites that circle the globe about every 90 minutes, and they measure things, so they would know, wouldn't they?
	Well, not necessarily, because the rate of growth, there's something to do with cycling.
	And it occurs as the Earth's magnetic field goes through a die-off, and then it comes back around, and it'll be oriented in the opposite direction.
	Now, this takes place, you know, according to geologists, over millions of years.
	but if you, if they've, for example, gone clear across the Atlantic Ocean and drug these
	magnetometers across the ocean.
	And they see these magnetic stripes indicating that the magnetic field with the earth was,
	you know, like it is now, then previously to that it was the opposite direction, and
	previous to that it was like it is now.
	Well, it is generally believed we do go through a pole shift, yes.
	Sure.
	And that's, but during that period of time, see, that's the whole record of the Atlantic
	Ocean opening up in the last, you know, geologically 200 million years.
	And so, you know, there's two schools of thought on this, and popular school of thought today
	has to do with subduction.
	If you've got a chance, take a look at Terry's book.
	He's a professor emeritus at the University of Tasmania in Hobart.
	Well, I will say this.
	little fellow right now he's uh... in his eighties mid-eighties uh... but he's sharp as a tack he's uh... he did his fieldwork
	down in uh...
	down in uh...
	uh...
	orneo and uh...
	well i will say this uh... that area known as the bermuda triangle
	uh... which has had many many many
	severe magnetic anomalies
	that have caused uh... aircraft and boats within it to lose navigational capability with
	spinning compasses and that sort of thing
	has been said to be no longer
	there part.
	That that area has moved.
	And there are some who speculate it may be now near Long Island, New York.
	I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
	First time caller online, you're on the air.
	Hi!
	Yes.
	Hi, this is Ron from Dixie, Idaho.
	Yes, Ron.
	Seven years ago, and it will be this February, seven years, I had three massive heart attacks.
	I went to the emergency hospital in Riverside, California.
	I remember walking into the emergency and telling them that I thought I was having a heart attack.
	They took me in and put me on the table.
	I don't remember much more after that until about a week later.
	The only thing I can remember in that period of time was when I finally came to my senses About a week later I woke up and I was profusely soaking, sweating, my bed was just drenched.
	The only recollection I have in that whole time was that, I don't know, I kind of thought maybe it was a dream, but I didn't know.
	It was like, I can remember, like an elevator shaft.
	And it was just, but there was no cables or anything.
	It was just kind of like a square concrete shaft.
	I would say it seemed like it was probably, oh, probably six foot by six foot square.
	And I was just floating down.
	That's a bad sign.
	I know.
	I was floating down.
	Bad sign.
	And down below me was a mist.
	Kind of like fog, you know?
	Yes.
	And I just, real slowly, I was floating down and floating down.
	But I never really got into the fog.
	I just was kind of just above it.
	Well, uh, you're lucky, sir.
	Had you continued down, it would have become warmer and warmer.
	Be a good person, sir.
	All that thought you've been giving me is, Can't you take it?
	If I were walking in your shoes, I wouldn't be worried now.
	My junior friends are worried about me.
	I'm having lots of fun.
	Counting flowers on the wall.
	That don't bother me at all.
	Playing political songs with the tech of 51.
	Smoking cigarettes and watching Catholic TV.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, sir.
	Hi.
	I'd like to talk to you about an idea I have for you.
	All right.
	Now, I know that you don't like to do television.
	Right.
	But I have a couple good reasons why you should simulcast your show at least one time.
	Why?
	For all the people out here in your listening audience who don't have a computer or don't have access to a computer, You could get on the air and show all these photographs that you haven't been able to see.
	Exactly.
	Now the only downside I have that you would have is the inconvenience of having a TV truck in front of your house would be that everybody could see that you have a face made only for radio.
	Um, well, I'm sure that I do, and I've always thought the same thing, sir, that I have a face made for radio.
	But it is actually, in a lot of ways, a good idea.
	And if you care about your listeners, you know, maybe you could do that for us.
	All right.
	I'll consider it, thank you.
	Actually, that is the reason that I would consider doing it.
	I really do like being able to share with the audience.
	Uh, more than just my description of something.
	I mean, we have very significant photographs.
	Now, so far, we've taken advantage of the web.
	They're up there.
	And we've put them in a newsletter.
	And believe me, if I could think of any other way to show you what we're talking about, I would probably go for it on that basis.
	I don't really like having a TV crew here when I'm on the air.
	It's very disruptive.
	Um, as a matter of fact, I don't like anything at all between myself and your call.
	Um, but that, of course, that would tempt me.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Good evening, Art.
	Hi.
	This is Dan from Iowa, North Dakota.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, you brought up a couple times the multiple spouse thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, actually, it's really not a constitutional issue.
	It has to do with, of course, really state law, if you think about it.
	Well, what do you think would happen if South Dakota said you could have all the wives you want?
	Don't you think the feds would step in?
	Well, they might, but think back to when Utah was a territory, they had that, and of course it's not part of our cultural tradition, so until they got rid of That tradition there, the Mormon tradition, they weren't admitted to the Union.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I have an amusing anecdote for you.
	But before we leave that, you know of no specific constitutional prohibition.
	No, no.
	In other words, if somebody went, let's say somebody who was a bigamist.
	Correct.
	Went to, took it on up to the Supreme Court and argued There is no constitutional basis for a law forbidding multiple spouses.
	I can't see why that person would not win.
	Well, they shouldn't win because it should be referred back to the state.
	In other words, if that state legalized it... Okay, well even that would be a victory.
	Yeah, well, after all, Utah, although it was a territory, was still government.
	What I'm saying is that would validate the 10th Amendment, and virtually the court would be saying the states do have the right to allow that if they want.
	Yeah, I would say I'm part of the strict constructionist view of the Constitution.
	I'd say, yes, the states does have a right to do that.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I just had an amusing anecdote.
	Switching through radio stations before you came on one night and one of your competitors, you know where you overlap?
	Yes.
	A lady was talking about Hale-Bopp.
	She happened to mention there's things going on in the heavens and the radio host mentioned what?
	She mentioned the comet and then she mentioned about the possible companion.
	Right.
	The host says, well, where have you heard about this?
	Well, a lot of people are talking about it.
	Well, what astronomical authority ever said anything about this?
	What's your reference?
	Well, on the Art Bell Show, and then BAM, he blipped her off to cyberspace.
	That was the end of her.
	He just sat with her real like that.
	I actually think a lot of the guys, like you said, they're really more upset you're cutting into their ratings.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	It was fun, though.
	I mean, it was so funny the way he just clipped her right off the air.
	I really enjoyed it.
	All right.
	Well, thank you very much.
	Thanks a lot.
	Yeah, not unusual.
	A lot of the other hosts, uh, don't understand what we're doing here, don't like it.
	Since they don't understand it, and since it seems to be very popular, uh, they don't like it, and they are, therefore, somewhat fearful of it.
	Uh-huh.
	Western Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, um, I have an answer to your polygamy question.
	Alright, good.
	Jason, from El Dorado Hills.
	Yes, sir.
	In a book I was recently reading dealing with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they do specifically mention that in 1887 the Edmund Hecker Act went through the courts and You could not have plural marriages.
	A test court did go through the Utah Supreme Court and they upheld that.
	The Edmund Tucker Act.
	Based on what constitutional principle?
	In other words, laws are tested against our Constitution, right?
	Correct.
	So, in fact... Explain to me what the constitutional principle is that holds these laws to be valid.
	Well, in fact, most of the Even persons who weren't members of the church at the time felt that that act was very unconstitutional.
	But that act has stayed.
	So in other words, you're saying there is no constitutional basis?
	No, there's not.
	I really believe that is the answer.
	Nobody has been able to come up with one.
	Now, I think a constitutional scholar might claim settled law.
	Which I'm not very pleased with.
	And that basically is the concept that if a law has been in place and accepted for a long enough period of time, whether or not there is a good constitutional basis for it, it is a valid law and may be upheld.
	It's called settled law.
	And it unsettles me greatly.
	The Constitution is either the Constitution or it is not.
	The hell settled law.
	Just because something has been wrong or unconstitutional for a protracted period of time does not, in my mind, validate its continuance.
	That's just me.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yes, hi Art.
	Hello.
	Hi, my name is Paul, I'm calling in from California.
	Yes sir.
	And this is a weird night, I can't believe I got through.
	Yeah.
	But I just wanted to say that really, my love and care and my feelings go out to you guys.
	You guys go too.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Thank you.
	And the other thing that I wanted to ask is, before you go off the air, could you play The Highway?
	The Highwayman?
	Yeah.
	Boy, a lot of people want that song.
	All right, I'll do it.
	All right, thanks.
	Right, you bet.
	Sure, why not?
	That really is a very special song to me.
	Very special song.
	It is a weird night tonight, isn't it?
	Don't you feel it?
	It's, um... It's like everything is... It's like somebody's singing a song that is just a beat or two off-tune.
	It's the only good analogy I can come up with.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, sir.
	Hi.
	My name is Gil.
	I'm calling from Kauai.
	Hi, Kauai!
	Yes sir!
	I've been listening to your show for a while now.
	I thoroughly enjoy it.
	Thank you.
	My whole family enjoys it.
	I'm calling to ask you if you have read by any chance the Celestine Prophecy?
	Not yet.
	I've got the book though.
	Great.
	I found it to be really great.
	I dealt with a lot of the quickening the way I thought it should be occurring.
	Also, I've read Cosmic Voyage, and I just received Tilsop McMoneagle's book, Mind Trap, and I just started reading that.
	That is a person I would like to interview.
	Yes, I'm sure he'd make an interesting guest.
	Very much so.
	I wasn't aware of it, but he documents in his book a near-death experience that he had also.
	Listen, are you familiar with the expression The Pineapple Express.
	Yes, I am.
	Isn't that the reason for your folks' bad weather up there now?
	Yes.
	And we all want an apology.
	I am very sorry.
	Our weather's been a little different here, too.
	Has it?
	Yes, it has.
	The winter pattern has changed a little bit.
	A lot of south winds come in, weather from the south, which is opposite the trade winds.
	Well, then maybe it's not your fault.
	Well, Jeff, it's so much better now.
	Let's blame it on Guam.
	That's fine.
	Or Canada.
	Thank you very much.
	Probably the Canadians, sure.
	They're at fault for everything else.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air alone.
	Hey, how's it going?
	This is Tony in Las Vegas.
	Hello, Tony.
	Hey, I've got a weird experience for you.
	One time, I just got upstairs in my room, took the light off, jumped in bed, and I was frozen.
	I couldn't move for about three minutes.
	There was a strobe light going off the whole time in my room.
	I couldn't see where it was coming from.
	I just assumed it was coming from somewhere, but I couldn't tell from where.
	It was not your strobe light?
	No.
	I didn't have one.
	And that was really peculiar.
	I didn't hear a helicopter outside either.
	Then, about 30 seconds into the strobe light and the paralysis, I felt like current going through my toes and fingers, moving Upward towards my middle torso, and it was heavy-duty stuff.
	It felt like electricity, but it didn't hurt.
	And, uh, once it got all the way up, of course I couldn't move that whole time, but once it made its way all the way up into my torso, I couldn't feel my heartbeat or my eyes move or anything.
	Wow.
	And that lasted three minutes.
	When I got up, it let me go just like that.
	I got up and ran over the window because I heard some noise out there before it got me in paralysis.
	And there were two raccoons coming out of some kind of paralysis, too.
	They were still numb, like me.
	Ooh, that's weird.
	Yeah, and they ran off the roof as soon as they realized and got their senses.
	They jumped right off the roof.
	Oh, that's really odd, Tony.
	All right, thank you.
	There you go.
	Now, that is the first time I've ever heard anybody talk about paralysis that affected other living beings in the same area.
	Very interesting.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, sir.
	I've been driving around listening to you.
	Let me get this straight now.
	Do you say that you are for men being married to more than one woman?
	No.
	No, I didn't say that at all.
	Okay.
	Somebody called the show the other night and asked what constitutional basis there is for prohibiting people from being married to more than one person.
	Does everything have to be governed by the Constitution?
	Well, when it relates to laws... I don't think so.
	There's nothing in the Constitution that says I have to drive 55 miles an hour on the highway.
	However, the law says a person has to drive 55 miles an hour on the highway.
	Well, the Constitution, though, allows that the government make laws For your, uh, welfare and safety.
	And, uh, well, and I also think that's why they have the laws.
	They say you can't be married to more than one woman.
	Well, I'm not sure that, well, that may relate to your welfare and safety.
	I don't know.
	Maybe loosely in that category.
	First, uh, first-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Yes, good morning, Art.
	This is Ken in Petaluma, California.
	Yes, I. All right, I enjoyed your, uh, first truth or trash version, uh, Recently was fantastic and it reminds me of this following
	incident now. This is not a submission. This actually happened about a
	year ago Congratulations on a new addition to your family, but by
	the way the telescope I recently treated myself to one for Christmas exactly
	similar to the one you have my need Yes, I had the electron also 60 millimeter refractor there
	you go And what happened was my brother's not that interested in
	astronomy I took him out on a clear evening about a year ago, and I was pointing out to him something near the brilliant, conspicuous constellation Orion.
	I was going to show him the Pleiades, that faint group of six or seven stars very close to it.
	Right.
	I said, here, you've got to take a look at this, Mike.
	I shot my arm out up into the sky, and unfortunately, it turns out that I was up about six or seven moon diameters, but I didn't know that.
	He and I simultaneously followed my arm's length up into the sky, and at the very point that my index finger was pointing at, a brilliant fireball came out of nowhere.
	It was bright green.
	It went for about three or four seconds, left a smoky trail.
	My brother was aghast.
	He wasn't happy.
	He was halfway paying attention without thinking.
	He said, What?
	Were you predicting something that's happening?
	I said, No.
	I explained to him what it was.
	I said, Mike, what do you think the odds of that happening again?
	A hundred to one?
	A million to one?
	He said, a million to one.
	I said, Mike, it'll never happen again.
	Well, that was uncool.
	What you should have done is the moment that fireball appeared that you were pointing at, you should have said, see, wasn't that cool?
	I can do that any time I want.
	I missed the opportunity.
	Great program, Art.
	Thank you for the call.
	That's what you do.
	Just a lucky point.
	And there it is, a green fireball.
	Something re-entering the atmosphere.
	And you just turn around and say, calmly, uh, yeah, see?
	See what I can do?
	I can do that any time I want.
	Of course, he'll immediately say, fine, then do it again.
	No.
	No, you know, I just, I do it on occasion when I feel like it.
	Leave him wondering.
	Are you used to the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hi, this is Jenny in Minneapolis.
	Hi there.
	Um, Art, I have a question.
	I have a nephew out in Ventura County in, um, your north of L.A.
	Yes.
	And he can't get good reception to you.
	Do you have an FM station around there?
	Ventura, Thousand Oaks, or maybe Santa Barbara?
	We have a station right in Ventura.
	K-V-E-N, I think.
	Is that A-M or F-M?
	That's A-M.
	K-V-E-W-E-S-T-E-R?
	V-E-N.
	As in Ventura.
	Okay.
	Thank you so much, because we talk quite often, and I'm always telling him about, you know, whom.
	And he says, well, I can't get an auntie Jenny on.
	You know, I think I know it all.
	I can try KADC.
	And he says, no, they're not in a good reception area.
	Yeah, that may be.
	That may be in Ventura.
	OK, thanks much.
	Right, you bet.
	Bye-bye.
	I hope I gave her the right information.
	There's so many stations in California now that I'm trying to figure that out, but I'm pretty sure that Bob KBEM in Ventura.
	Well, it'll take me a moment and I'll have to do some looking, but I'm pretty sure that is the case.
	I might have had the call letters incorrect.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey Art, Bob from San Diego.
	Yes sir.
	Long time listener, first time caller.
	Glad to have you.
	Hey Art, I was wondering if you've ever read the book Um, no, but I know about the third eye.
	Yeah, and he called, what you call out of body experience, he called astral travel.
	Right.
	And he said, well he explained it, when you leave your, when your astral body leaves your physical body, it's attached by like an invisible cord.
	Yes.
	And if that cord snaps, then you're dead, you're gone.
	Well, you know, I've always wondered about that.
	People talk about it, and they always say, uh, you're safe.
	Don't worry about it.
	That cord cannot snap.
	I had somebody on the, I think it was Albert Taylor, perhaps, who was talking about that, and I said, hey, how about all those people that die in their sleep?
	How do we know that their cord didn't snap?
	And he said, well, actually, we don't.
	Yeah.
	Another thing you mentioned, too.
	You've been laying in bed and just be dozing off, almost sleeping, all of a sudden your whole body just jumped, just jerked.
	Oh, yes.
	You experienced that?
	Oh, many times.
	That is your astral body starting to leave your body.
	And jump back.
	And jump back in.
	Jump back in.
	Oh, no, I think that may be right, sure.
	You're asleep, and you're just sort of drifting off, and all of a sudden you go, oh!
	You jump, you start.
	That is your astral body snapping back into your body.
	Maybe.
	We'll be right back.
	It is indeed.
	Top of the morning, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell from our affiliate in Salt Lake City, K-Talk, AM 63.
	And they ought to be the authorities on this.
	Indeed, the U.S.
	Constitution denied polygamy.
	In fact, the Edwards-Tucker Act, as was mentioned in 1893, was enforced to force Mormons out of the practice of polygamy.
	Utah, as a matter of fact, had to put polygamy legislation into the Utah Constitution in order to become a state Now, I'm not sure at all that it is in other state constitutions.
	And, again, I go back to what I said a little while ago.
	I'm not at all satisfied that there is any reason, any constitutional real prohibition against polygamy, except for the concept of settled law.
	Which, as far as I'm concerned, stinks, but I am not a constitutional attorney.
	And that basically says if a law has been a law long enough, constitutional or not, it can be held to be so without an apparent constitutional basis other than the fact that it has been there for, you know, forever.
	Something like that.
	All right, I promised.
	This is a very, very special song to me.
	Not a lot of people have heard it.
	Some have.
	Some haven't.
	I believe it clearly is about reincarnation.
	The caller asked for it, and so here it is.
	This is a group known as the Highwaymen.
	See if you can pick out the various voices.
	Check this out.
	I was a highwayman, along the coast roads I did ride.
	With sword and pistol by my side.
	Many a young maid lost her marbles to my blade.
	Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
	The master come me in the sprain of twenty-five.
	But I am still alive.
	I was a sailor.
	I was born upon the tide.
	With the sea I did abide.
	I sailed a schooner down before New Mexico.
	I went along with Pearl to make the winter glow.
	And when the yard broke off they said that I got killed.
	But I'm living still.
	I was a dam builder across the river deep and wide.
	Where steel and water didn't collide.
	was a dam building across the river deep and wide.
	We're stealing water in the line.
	A place called Boulder, Longville, Wild, Colorado.
	I slipped and fell into the wet, long creek below.
	They buried me in that great cell that no one knows how.
	But I am still alive.
	I'm still glad I'll always be glad, glad, glad, glad.
	I'll fly a Starship across the university line, and when I reach the other side, I'll find a place to rest
	my spirit if I can.
	Perhaps I may become a highwayman again, or I may simply be a single drop of rain, but I will remain.
	I'll be back again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
	Well, is that something or what?
	Somebody once said, we are not human beings on a spiritual journey, but spiritual beings on a human journey.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, man.
	The first was Willie Nelson.
	The second was Johnny Cash.
	Okay.
	That's not really what I was pulling.
	That's not really all there was, though.
	There was Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, and Chris Christopherson.
	Well, of course, I haven't heard the last six seconds of it.
	All right.
	Number one, I'd like to tell you that, as a web developer, I really appreciate, on your website, The work that, of course, Keith Rowland is doing.
	Oh, it's incredible.
	Well, but aside from that, the actual transfer rate that I get from VNet, who is your actual internet service provider.
	That's right.
	I mean, I'm getting 4.8k, 5k a second.
	It is so much that for my next client, I've already lined up the fact that they're going to be using VNet, because their primary concern was how fast stuff would download.
	A good choice.
	And their Znet is about to put us on an even bigger server.
	Well, I'll tell you, I've seen it grow.
	I mean, a long time ago, I was impressed, knowing the traffic that you got, how fast stuff still downloaded.
	But now, today I went on, I mean, I was shocked how fast it can.
	Well, they may have done it.
	They may have made the move.
	It was going to be made in the first couple days of the week, so We may have gone to the new server, I'm not sure.
	It may have, because it was incredible tonight.
	Good.
	How fast again.
	But the real reason I was calling, Art, is that I am a first-time caller in Oregon.
	My name's Chuck.
	Yes, sir.
	But it was about kind of a truth-or-trash type call, except it doesn't really belong there, because it's absolutely true.
	Okay.
	And it's about a trip I took to France.
	My junior year of high school, 1992, I went there.
	A friend of mine's parents own a ranch out there.
	And I stayed there for a month.
	The whole time I was there, my friend kept pointing up to a mountain, saying that once when I was young, my father took me up to this mountain.
	And it was the funnest place I've ever been.
	And I agreed with him that I would take this journey.
	As my time there ended, I decided to go up to this mountain with my friend.
	It was a heck of a time getting there at all, but by the time we arrived, we'd been hiking for hours.
	The whole reason he wanted to get there was to inscribe his name on a tree.
	A tree that you could see even from his house in the rolling valleys out there.
	And he did so.
	But afterwards, we decided that we didn't just come there for that.
	We were going to hike around in what is actually the Black Forest, much spoken of in literature.
	Right.
	We hiked for hours.
	We hiked all over the place.
	We had a picnic in the middle of the forest.
	And I mean, nobody had been there forever.
	After hiking for hours and hours, we decided to rest our bones.
	And I saw the perfect place to sit down.
	It was two trees whose roots had grown together.
	And we sat there lounging for another half hour.
	Right.
	Well, at that point we decided to leave.
	But before I left, I said, you've got to inscribe your name in the tree.
	I'm going to do the same.
	And so I got up, looked at these trees.
	They were ash trees, which have very smooth bark.
	Right.
	And they had been there forever.
	They were huge, at least six feet in diameter.
	And I got up looking for the perfect spot to inscribe my name, and I couldn't find it on the first tree in the hammock formation, so I started walking around the second tree.
	Yeah, we gotta hurry here.
	I'm there.
	Just as I found the perfect spot to inscribe my name, or my initials, I saw my initials already inscribed.
	And they had been inscribed years, years, at least decades, I would expect, earlier.
	But absolutely, clearly my initials in oak bark, which if you've ever seen, not oak, I mean ash bark, it's very smooth, but if you inscribe something in it, it stays there for a long time.
	The only reason I could tell it was very old was that, you know, lichens and other growth had come in and kind of expanded out a little bit.
	It looked like for decades my initials had been inscribed on that tree and I'm telling you, this place had the foot traffic of maybe ten people a year.
	I hear you.
	Well, that is very weird, sir, but it's still better than going to a graveyard and finding your own tombstone.
	Much better.
	I'm telling you, if I may tell you the one thing that crossed my mind the second I saw that, and I'm telling you, I was quite shocked because actually the first thing that struck my mind was that this is such a rare place that anyone would ever be to begin with, I was shocked that anyone decided to inscribe their initials there.
	It wasn't a very monumental place.
	Maybe you perhaps should have considered that you were once there before.
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	All right, here we go.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Am I on the air?
	Yes.
	Oh my God.
	Hey, um, I got, I gotta get on the level with you.
	Uh, I don't believe you're a gullible person, are you?
	Well, I don't know.
	Uh, I don't know what you mean by gullibility.
	Do I believe things that I sometimes cannot prove or touch?
	Is that what you're asking, or what do you, then what do you mean?
	Well, I listened to your tapes, uh, somebody handed me the tapes on Major Ed Baines.
	Yes.
	With the remote viewing?
	Yes.
	And that's something that I can believe.
	But a lot of the things that he was talking about were things that, uh, that can't really be proven.
	That are things that are believed on faith.
	And, uh, I just want, I was just wondering, next time you have him on, could you ask him to, to, you know, use his remote viewing with something that he can prove?
	Like, like could he find Jimmy Hoffa's body?
	Or something like that?
	Okay.
	You know, because a lot of the things he said, like about the PWA life and things like that, well, nobody knows.
	Nobody knows.
	Well, they very well may, though, before it's all over.
	Sure.
	So, no, I take your point.
	My name's Bob, and I'm from Spokane, and I've been listening for about a year, and I love you, and I look up to you, and it's just a great show.
	Keep it going.
	Happy to do it, Bob.
	I will ask for you, sure.
	That'll be a good one.
	But what if he came back and said, Jimmy Hoppa's body is under 25 feet of concrete in a football stadium in New Jersey.
	Now, who's going to go dig and try and find it?
	Who's going to prove it, one way or the other?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Good morning.
	I have the harp string clusters.
	What's that?
	Well, you take your antenna, you receive that 1 to 100 cycle they're going to transmit.
	Yes.
	And you invert that 180 degrees, send that back out over the air, back up to them.
	And when it's 180 degrees out of phase, it ought to cancel out the one coming down.
	Well, the problem with that, of course, is that You don't have the facilities to transmit it with the same intensity and beamwidth that they do.
	I'm not sure exactly what you mean by an 180 degree inversion.
	A frequency is a frequency.
	But even if you could achieve that, the retransmission of it at the levels they're achieving would not be possible without a similar antenna array.
	wildcard liner on the air and a lot of calling about her
	working i'd be a book
	it would require a proper that's from yesterday's program and the
	uh... the idea was that drugs are generally
	uh... not small part Marijuana, for example, is what we were talking about, because it produces an altered state of euphoria.
	That religions wish reserved for their own purview, correct?
	Yes.
	I tried to get through yesterday.
	But actually, religiously, people who gave potions to people who acted like they were devil possessed, which would qualify for somebody who's on drugs going through bad trips, basically would burn at the stake and the like.
	I suspect that's probably got a bit to do with it in life, but in more recent times, Scientifically, what the person's doing is they're mimicking the natural opiates the body produces.
	And they're basically, well, the immune system, as the cells are dying, as they attach to the receptor sites, the neurons, the brain cells, the T-cells send out the lymphocytes, the microphages to engulf the brain cells, because they're dead and dying, and you're digesting your brain out of your skull, basically.
	Or if there's a circulatory system, lymphatic system, and you're basically Your brain's on drugs.
	Alright, well, thank you very much.
	I would like to suggest the following to you.
	If the perfect drug was ever discovered, that is to say, a substance which gave you A great sense of euphoria of some sort.
	With absolutely no side effects, no after effects, no ill effects, but a simple, straightforward euphoric state that that drug would still be either outlawed or controlled by the government.
	I believe that to be true.
	And I think that may make the case.
	Under no circumstances would the government, or society in general, want you to have a drug without consequence that would produce euphoria.
	And that would be controlled or outlawed.
	I'll betcha.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	This is J.C.
	and I'm glad that I finally got through to you.
	That you're not able to keep me from getting through to spread the word because what you had the other night was unbearable.
	How dare you let someone smoke marijuana on the air?
	Don't you know what marijuana does to people?
	What does it do?
	What does it do?
	It can cause people to go crazy!
	They'll go into a pot rage, and murder, and rape, and kill!
	You know?
	How about the other 215 and 200?
	How about the parents of the teenager that smoked a joint for the first time and thinks he can fly and jumps off the Empire State Building or a bridge?
	How can you stand there and say that they should be legal?
	They get squished.
	That's what happens when you jump off a bridge and get squished.
	It's the devil's weed because it opens your mind to the devil and tucks you right in.
	The devil's weed.
	What are you talking about?
	Turn your radio... Now hold it.
	Turn your radio off.
	Alright, there's my radio.
	So did you know what happened with the Mansons?
	They were all smoking marijuana!
	And today's marijuana is worse!
	It's high potent!
	It's like crap!
	It's even worse!
	Because it introduces and sucks the teenagers and the people in!
	And you're sitting here promoting it!
	You're saying that people should go out and try it!
	How dare you!
	You did?
	No, I didn't.
	And the fact that you want people to have more than one wife.
	Oh, three wives and more education.
	And that's what this is all about.
	And the fact that you mock the new revelation.
	It's disgusting what you're doing with the airwaves.
	What new revelation?
	The one that I am receiving from the Lord and the new commandments.
	Your revelation?
	Oh, new commandments?
	Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	This is really cool.
	What are the new commandments?
	God and I are working on the New Commandments in chorus together.
	We've been working for some time because the people have ignored the Ten Commandments, so we are much closer to keeping the people in line by giving specifics, such as you doubt I'm not smoking.
	Really?
	Oh, rock and roll?
	cannot be drugged that doubt not work at the devil that i would not want to go
	over there that cannot be a part of the new age really that got denied
	the new world order and these are going to be laid out of the new
	revelation and and and now we're going to have a part of
	we're going to go rock and roll Did you say no rock and roll?
	The evil rock and roll music that you play, and the music that you play, it pounds the pounding rhythm, which pounds the will of the listener to submission every time you go to break.
	And it's hypnotic, and it's demonic, and it talks about getting too excited, and I won't know why I hide it.
	I'm not going to repeat it, but it's horrible because that's about fornication.
	There's actually going to be a commandment about rock and roll?
	There already is!
	I told you in the New Revelation that there shall not be rock'n'roll music.
	No more rock'n'roll.
	That's right, because it keeps up the devil.
	And the fact is, that man again on the other night who was saying this to deny government, that jackal that hovers over people as they die, that terrible, bitter man, that horrible new-ager that got struck by lightning.
	Well, he should die, because he waits on the light, Lucifer is in the light.
	You mean, you mean Damien Brinkley?
	He's an evil man, hovering above people's death beds, filling their ideas full of new age.
	Nonsense!
	You're tearing them away from God!
	Those will rise before they're gonna die!
	I know what your plan is, and that is you've made a vow with Satan that you could be on his right hand to tear away as many Christians as you can before the end of those ten times.
	And the fact that you're using talk radio, which is among the most people who listen, are conservative!
	And you're trying to tear us down!
	So you're a torn down conservative, talking to God, getting new commandments... I am not!
	I am here to keep you in check!
	Is that right?
	No!
	I am here to keep you in check!
	You're destroying the lives of conservative Christians, and destroying America, and the fact that you mocked the Canadian invasion.
	Don't you know that they'll be coming across in swarms any time now?
	They've already assimilated... You know what?
	You're exactly actually what I needed this morning.
	I feel so cleansed after your call.
	My program is over.
	Would you simply ask for new revelations?
	Wouldn't you like to say, good morning America?
	I do not!
	How about good night, good night America?
	What's that?
	I'll do it for you.

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