Dr. Barbie Taylor, a parapsychologist linked to the Bigelow Foundation and CSETI, explores psychic abilities like remote viewing (e.g., Flight 800 discrepancies) and mediumship, citing cases such as George Anderson’s precise readings of her deceased relatives. She discusses potential interdimensional craft—silent, massive triangles in Mexico (1993) and Nevada—while dismissing remote viewing for MIAs or gambling due to spiritual integrity concerns. Callers share OBEs, reality disruptions, and debates on polygamy, marijuana, and "settled law," with Bell questioning privacy risks in psychic tech. The episode ends with heated accusations from callers claiming Bell promotes conspiracy theories, including a "coal-free nation" and demonic influences via rock music, before Bell shuts down the segment. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones, all of them in the darkness right now, from the Tahitian Hawaiian Island chain all the way east to the U.S. Virgin Islands, soon to Puerto Rico, soon, soon, soon, south into South America, north to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
And this evening, we're going to introduce you to somebody named Dr. Barbie Taylor, living on 205 in Las Vegas.
And she has investigated for a long time now that her normal has rubbed shoulders with just about everybody who's anybody, Dr. Stephen Grigger, who we interviewed here at C70.
Dr. Raymond Moody has worked with the Biccolo Foundation, as have we, did early work on human sexuality, and then somehow got interested in parapsychology.
As a matter of fact, Brad Steiger, another good friend, wrote a foreword to her book.
And so we will talk of things of this sort shortly with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
Anyway, we'll get underway in a moment.
Well, all right.
I want to advise everybody just before we get started here with Dr. Barbie that Dr. Calf, who was once on my Dreamland program and was the principal investigator into the case that later became known as the Entity, the movie, The Entity with Barbara Hershey, I think.
We did a great show on Dreamland.
And he said, you know, I've got the original photographs from this case.
And you've got to remember, this was well documented.
A major university did the investigatory work, and he headed that team.
And wait till you see these photographs.
As a matter of fact, they're up there to be seen right now.
And I really, heartily recommend you go to my website and take a look.
You'll see it prominently displayed when you go in, the Dr. Tap appearance.
Just click on that.
And in you'll go and take a look.
This plasma is above this woman, obviously dejected, sitting on the bed.
And there have got to be at least five or more witnesses with cameras also capturing.
So you've got to see this.
You have got to see it.
I think there's five or six photographs total there at the moment.
And they are amazing.
So you take a look because it is a subject we will also discuss this morning with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
Well, actually, it was a pretty interesting transition.
And there was a period of time towards the end of graduate school where I wasn't quite certain whether I was going to be a clinical psychologist or a parapsychologist or a sexologist.
And what ultimately happened is I was all of those things, and it became incorporated in the work that I was doing.
I was in the University of Washington in the clinical psychology program, but my specialty area was human sexuality.
And I was thinking at that time when I entered the program that I would stay within the university, that I would ultimately become the director of a sexology program in a major university, because that was at the time when they were just beginning to bring human sexuality into the medical school, and it was an area that was really on the cutting edge at the time.
But what happened is once I was in the university long enough, and I went straight through for 10 years, I began to be aware of all of the politics in that structure and decided that I didn't want to go through another seven years of getting tenure and not being able to do really what I wanted to do because it was too controversial.
So I decided that when I graduated that I would ultimately do research, I would write, I would teach, I would do therapy.
And I set it up privately by beginning as the research director or the research coordinator at the Center for Marital and Sexual Studies in Long Beach, California.
And essentially what I was doing is doing research.
I was writing grant proposals.
I was about to teach at California State University at Long Beach.
And that's where I began my private practice.
But then after being there for a year, I began my trek east.
And I was in Arizona for a year and then ultimately moved back to West Virginia and Pennsylvania where I spent all of the 80s.
But while I was studying for my doctoral exam, I received a brochure from some kind of an organization in Portland.
And it was about a conference called The Mind Can Do Anything.
And I had never at that time gone into any kind of consciousness seminars or anything like that and was really quite surprised to receive something like that and wanted to go there because my daughter was, who at that time was about 13, she was having psychic unusual experiences, especially in her sleep.
She would see entities sometimes in her room.
And there was going to be somebody speaking a famous woman I don't know if you've heard of her her name was Olga Warrall and she was a famous healer I believe from the Baltimore area she sinks the seed and she was going to be speaking about psychic children so I specifically went there to learn about that but one of the other speakers was Dr. Selma Moss and I believe that Dr. Taft might have worked with her she was the famous parapsychologist at UCLA how much I'm going to sort of ask an off-the-track
Well, that's certainly what we hear all the time, that from a physiological standpoint anyway, that we're using a very small percentage of the brain's ability.
And there's certainly indications that when somebody has had a head injury, there is a technique called, I believe it's called Feldenkrais.
I believe that's the right term.
And people are actually taught how to develop new neural pathways when there has been some kind of damage.
or just to expand their ability to have more neural pathways.
And if that is possible, and they do this through different kinds of positions and breathing and a variety of different physical approaches that seems to do this, that certainly tells us.
And also that the brain can compensate when there has been injury.
So we certainly know that the brain has the ability to somehow, I don't know if you would, I don't know if you would, I don't know if it should be the right term, sort of to rewire itself in some way.
So, and just from all that we're beginning to see in terms of psychic abilities, that we know that we know that there is the potential for so much more.
And some people just seem to be more capable, or have been trained in such a way like the remote rulers, where they're using their mind in a different capacity than...
there's so much that has been done since then and I just don't feel that my expertise is in the physiology of the brain I'm more interested in the psychic aspect of the brain and one of the things that did happen towards the end of graduate school that was very interesting and ties into the remote viewing is when I was going back to the University of Washington, by this time I was doing my internship down at the VA Hospital in Long Beach, and I was going back up to the University of Washington because I needed to do my doctoral defense.
This is the kind of a final procedure before you get your PhD.
I stopped at Stanford Research Institute and met with Hal Putoff and Russell Park.
Their book, Mindreach, had just come out where they had done their pioneering work in remote viewing and all of that work that they did with Ingo Swan.
And I met with them for several hours.
They took me to lunch and we talked and we went through the labs.
And so right from the very beginning, I was interested in remote viewing.
And that was, of course, at a time before it began to, well, it probably was already moving in that direction, but at least in mind reach, they weren't talking as much about the military applications.
But that's certainly the direction that it went into after that.
I believe that it's a very valid discipline and that the protocols are set up in a very systematic way, but I also think that you have to take into consideration that there can be some, I don't know if this is the right word, would be bleed-through or interaction with, say, you have a monitor working with you, a person that is working with a remote viewer.
When I first read Courtney Brown's book back a year ago, The Cosmic Voyage, I happened to know because of my connections with the Bigelow Foundation that his monitor was Ed Danes, even though he had not said that in the book.
Well, I happened to know that because of the things that I had known through the Bigelow Foundation.
I also knew, and in fact I remember back when you were doing your show, Area 2000, I remember you talking at the time.
In fact, it was George Knapp was on your show one time, and he was talking about, this is when Ed Danes was in the New Mexico area.
And do you remember when he was saying that there was going to be a very large ship and it was going to be landing in New Mexico and there would be these reptilian children?
I don't ever know quite exactly what happened with that, but I do know that that was something that he felt very, very strongly about.
But when I read Courtney Brown's book and saw that there was a lot coming through related to New Mexico, ETs, et cetera, I began to wonder, well, I wonder how much of this was bleed through telepathically from Ed Dames and that he was picking up on things related specifically to Ed Dames.
Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but I think you do have to look at the fact that there's undoubtedly some kind of an interaction that goes on between the monitor and the person doing the remote viewing.
Yet they have set it up in such a systematic way that I think it's a very valid kind of an approach.
And there's so much evidence now to show that they have come up with extraordinary things and that many very average people can do this or can certainly be taught how to do this.
That it would be very, very apparent if there was somebody else tuned in, tapped in, whatever, or close by, also remote viewing, for example, the same target.
In fact, that's really interesting because I'm very curious about the discrepancy between Courtney Brown's group at the Farsight Institute and Ed Gaines' group in terms of the Flight 800.
And what's so curious to me is that I happen to have an associate that I work with who is a retired FAA person who has the gift, although sometimes he has felt it the curse, to tune in to airplane crashes.
And this has just been something that has gone on with him for many years.
It's not something that he wants.
It's something that has just happened to him.
And we worked together very closely during the time right after that crash.
We definitely came up with material, detailed material, that would be much more supportive of Courtney Brown's group.
And in fact, we put all of the transcripts together with a cover letter from me and sent them to the FBI and received a thank-you note and offered his services to help them.
Well, the way that my associate had seen this was as a missile launched from a boat.
And we did all of this through some pretty intensive hypnosis work.
And it was extraordinary what he was coming up with and what he came up with in terms of the aftermath and the potential for a cover-up and quite a variety of things that were in great, great detail, including names and locations and where the goat was kept.
Just a lot of detailed information, including even the name of a book that he was supposed to go to the library to get immediately after our work together, and he did, and it turned out that the book was a whole book filled with photographs of missiles.
And he was able to pick out from that what the missile was that he had seen.
Well, when they had done the Roper study, they had put together, which for your listeners, by the way, this is sort of like a Gallup poll, but they were interested in including a few questions that would indicate whether somebody might have had an abduction experience.
And these were questions that were embedded in other questions.
So it wasn't like people weren't asked directly, have you been abducted by ETs?
It was a question that might be something like, have you ever felt there were entities in your room?
Have you ever felt a sense of paralysis?
There was a number of questions that would tie somebody in with some of what people report in an abduction.
And once they got their response, they were really quite surprised to discover how many people had answered in the affirmative.
It was rather significant.
And ultimately, they put together a booklet that was sent out to therapists all over the country.
Well, I received information about this booklet, and then somebody sent me a copy of it.
Well, actually, they told me about it on the telephone, and I said, well, who sent this booklet out?
And they just read in the corner of, you know, the return address that the Bigelow Holding Company, Las Vegas, Nevada.
So what I did is I sent a note to the Bigelow Holding Company just wanting to know about what kind of work they were doing and putting out this kind of booklet because I felt it was very appropriate to educate therapists about this phenomenon.
And I received a telephone call from Mr. Bigelow.
And we ended up, I was in Orange County, Southern California at the time, working at the skeleton.
Essentially, there was a significant number of people who checked some of these questions related to these rather paranormal or odd experiences that they had that could also be contributed to maybe being abducted at one time.
And in fact, they did it a number of times.
They did this study, I believe, maybe even three times.
Now, this was all before I even worked at the Bigelow Foundation, but I believe they did it about three times because they were so surprised with the results that they were getting.
And then once the results were analyzed and they put together the booklet, part of what they were saying to therapists is that you need to pay attention that there is the potential that what might seem as though a client is having some kind of experience related to child abuse or sexual abuse may actually be related to an abduction situation.
So they wanted to educate therapists.
And after that, and this was during the time I was at the Bigelow Foundation, they had a team of experts who went around the country and once a month were offering free seminars for therapists to talk to them about what they found in the ROPR study and to talk with them more about the potential that people could have had an abduction experience.
So it was really quite an educational opportunity for therapists who maybe would not have been exposed to that material through any other way.
What was interesting about the project I worked on is here I had this connection with Mr. Bigelow calling me and we engaged in a long conversation and then I came up to Las Vegas and met with him and then he came down to Los Angeles where I was doing some work there with P. Setty and with research having to do with UFOs and it was at that time we decided that I would become a consultant and the project that he gave me was to find the world's greatest medium.
Now I was blown away when I got that project because I thought that I would either be the research coordinator for the various projects going on through the foundation or that I would specifically be working in the field of UFOs because I had been interested my whole life in that field and I had been working professionally since 1980 in that field and all of a sudden I get this project to find the world's greatest medium.
At first I laughed and I said to him, well what am I supposed to do?
Look in the yellow pages?
Because I really wasn't quite sure where I was supposed to begin with it.
And then I just decided, well, I'm very good at doing research.
After all, that's what my PhD is about as a research degree.
And if somebody's going to pay me to do parent psychology, I will do it.
Well, it led me into a five-month project where ultimately I was networking all over the world.
And by the end of the project, I had lists of hundreds of mediums.
One of the things that I found was that not London particularly, but the United Kingdom was the hotbed of medium activity.
And when I'm talking about mediums here, I'm talking about the old-fashioned idea of a person who serves as a go-between with someone who has lost a loved one.
That's essentially what my project was about.
And it was fascinating.
And it was through that work that ultimately I connected with Dr. Raymond Moody.
And I just felt absolutely convinced by the end of my project.
And part of what I did during this time, it wasn't just finding where they were located and getting lists and addresses and all that.
Part of what my assignment was, was to go and have appointments with some of these people and then make an evaluation as to their level of accuracy.
So I had the experience of having private sessions with some pretty extraordinary people, and I am absolutely convinced from my work that it's a very thin veil between here and the other side.
And then, like I said, it ultimately led me to work with Dr. Raymond Moody, and in fact, that came about from listening to your interview with Dr. Moody on the Area 2000 show.
I interviewed him right before his book reunions came out.
I was driving to L.A. listening to your interview, and I immediately got the book and connected with them because I wanted to find out about whether they did any training with therapists.
I have no doubt in my mind that we are eternal beings, that there is a very thin veil.
There's indication scientifically that we seem to have more paranormal experiences when somebody is in delta, in that place of deep sleep.
That's true, whether it's pulsarized activity or what many people will report when they're sleeping is they have what they perceive as dreams of departed loved ones.
Well, maybe it's not dreams.
Maybe we're just more accessible when they're in that state of consciousness because all of our normal defense mechanisms are down at that point.
We don't have all of that chatter going through our minds.
You know, there was a period of time where I was asking each of my clients whether they had ever had what they would consider a paranormal experience.
And one of the things that I discovered in asking that was that having some sort of a connection with a deceased loved one seemed to be the most common experience that people reported.
And this might have been just a momentary seeing this person or hearing their voice, but I think that there's much more of that that goes on and people just don't talk about it.
Well, in terms of what I have read, because during this time that I was doing this project, one of the things that Mr. Bigelow and I did is we collected all kinds of books from the turn of the century when there was so much interest in spiritualism.
And so I read so much material and then also, like I said, met with some extraordinary mediums, including I had the opportunity to meet with George Anderson.
And he is, he was actually the person that Mr. Bigelow was most interested in having me connect with.
And when that connection finally came, it was at Dr. Raymond Moody's home in Alabama.
But he did a reading for the small group that was there and picked up information about my father.
He did not know me at all.
He knew nothing about me.
He picked up information about my father that was just so accurate in a communication and then even tied it in with my grandfather where he even came up with a name.
And then fairly recently I had an interview with a medium here in Las Vegas.
Her name is Margaret Gentz.
She's from Australia.
And in the same way, he was tuning into my father, picking up information.
Again, I'd never met her.
She knew nothing about me.
And in the same way that it happened with George Anderson, she says, oh, by the way, George says hello.
And that was my grandfather's name.
And both she and George Anderson picked up that name.
Well, even more than that, he was, my father was a physician, and he was saying, and she did not know that, but both she and George Anderson talked about him still being involved in healing and helping people.
And then she kept seeing these books.
She thought possibly he was a professor or something like that.
It seems like it was philosophy or something to her.
But then as she continued to talk, it was that he was very actively interested at that time in alternative medicine and Edgar Casey.
And that was not something that my dad, that my father talked about when he was living.
But apparently in his role on the other side, he's very actively interested in this.
And one of my fields of specialty is alternative medicine.
So she said that, you know, he has a great deal of interest in this area and is working with you in this regard.
And it made me feel as though my father and I are even more connected now because we share this area of interest and that in some way he is helping me and assisting me.
Now, I don't know exactly in what way that is, but it was just so interesting, both what he picked up on and what Margaret Dant and what George Anderson picked up on, not knowing me at all, nor knowing anything about my father.
Now, I know from my reading that there were times that there were fraud, especially back in some of the camps that people went through at the turn of the century when spiritualism was so actively pursued by so many people, both in this country and in Europe.
Sometimes there was fraud involved.
But that does not mean that just because there was some fraud, that everything is fraudulent.
And again, what you said seems to indicate that whatever's on the other side, do you think it is a dimensional understanding Is it a different dimension?
I talk sometimes about the cleansing or the dimensional shift.
I think that we're actually going through a period of time where the planet is going through a frequency shift or a dimensional shift.
And I think that in terms of where we are and what we perceive as the other side, I think it is a dimensional situation, which just has to do with frequency.
It has to do with how quickly somebody is vibrating.
I think that there can be things going on right here in this room where I am right now that I may not be perceiving because it's at a different frequency than what I perceive.
Just as we see a certain frequency in terms of color or we hear a certain frequency, yet we know that there's a much broader range beyond what we can see or beyond what we can hear, I believe that perceptual reality is like that, that we perceive something within a rather narrow range, that there's much more going on beyond what we can perceive.
And some people who are particularly trained or particularly gifted can perceive more, whether they can see angels or entities or whether they can hear things that others might not hear.
You know, people have different ways of picking up on that.
Suppose hard science, hard science, was able to come up with some sort of contraption that would allow, in effect, a doorway, complete interaction, with the other side.
Angela was the research coordinator at the same time that I was the outside consultant.
So she worked directly in the office, and I was working on outside projects, or one particular outside project.
But we would meet each week with Mr. Bigelow.
While she was coordinating all of these projects, and this was a few years ago, this was actually, I was working on this in 1992, and she was there through 92 and 93.
But one of the projects that she was looking at was how people are using electronic devices to be able to communicate with the other side.
And there was something that was going on at the time that was in Europe where people were using computer monitors, and they were actually getting images on the computer monitor.
I believe at the time it was Einstein, Nicholas Tesla, I'm not sure who else, seemed to be coming through through this computer monitor where they could actually see an image and have some sort of a communication.
Now, again, since that wasn't my particular project, I didn't follow it all the way through, but I remember reading a newsletter about that particular work.
And there was a whole field of parapsychology that was built around this work with electronic devices, whether you were using a tape recorder or whether you were using a computer or whatever it might be that you were using in order to communicate with entities on the other side.
Just like with Dr. Taft's photograph, they were using some kind of electronic equipment to pick up something that you could not see visibly, but they were getting things that obviously were there.
Let me tell you one of the things that Dr. Ludy was talking about when I was back there, and this must have been, let's see, I've got my Theater of the Mind certificate right here on the wall of my office.
So this was in August of 1994.
He was talking about some research, and I don't know how far he's gone with this now, but he was talking at the time about using some of the psychomantium research, which was using a mirror as a reflective device to have apparition appear of your departed loved ones.
But going beyond that, having some kind of a place where they would have a person who had already had near-death experiences, so they weren't afraid of the death process and had had some exposure to the other side.
And then having this sort of like a dome-type structure with the whole ceiling being nears and having the patient there as they're going through the death process and the facilitator working with them and somehow being able to go part weight on the journey with the person.
And I don't know how far they carried that research because I know that Dr. Moody had some health challenges and other things happen within his family after that.
But they were talking about doing something like that, and I thought that was just fascinating.
And it's sort of a technological way to do something that shamans do.
You know, shamans for thousands of years have been able to train themselves to travel interdimensionally to work with those individuals that they work with, whether it's through healing or the death process or whatever.
So it's sort of a way of doing that.
And I don't know how far they got with it, but I thought it was a wonderfully fascinating idea.
He likes getting into the historic material, traveling to Greece, learning about the, you know, learning about all of the ancient understandings of what went on with the, what was that called?
And somehow we had a kind of a lousy phone connection as we sometimes get to.
I live in Perump, Nevada, which is 65 miles west of Las Vegas.
Now, one would think that a telephone connection to Las Vegas would be a piece of cake.
But I can get better connections to Cairo, Egypt, London, England, Tokyo, Japan, or Sydney, Australia than I can get to Las Vegas.
Don't ask me why.
But we're going to pick up Dr. Taylor at the bottom of the hour, and she's going to switch locations, and we're going to see if we can get a little bit of a better connection.
The topic is fascinating, and we'll get back to it in a moment.
All right, a couple of items.
A couple of items, and very interesting items at that.
One is, I want you to be sure to get up to my website, and tonight would be a good night to try when I said last night everything went into gridlock, as it so many times does.
Dr. Barry Taff, who was on Dreamland, is going to be on this program Friday night, Saturday morning.
He was the principal investigator into the case that later became known as the Entity with Barbara Hershey, the movie.
Only he sent me the photographs from the real case.
And they are on my website, and I want to be darn sure you get to see them before the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
I mean, witnesses sitting around, one photograph you'll see, several witnesses themselves with cameras from a major university in this young lady on the bed and this,
I wouldn't know what to call it, energy, not an aura, but energy completely surrounding her, and about four or five additional photographs, some of other cases that simply are way beyond any explanation.
So you go up there and take a look.
It's www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com.
Another item would be, I don't know how many of you heard it in LA, no doubt you would have.
My good friend, Mr. KABC, gave me a call and we chatted a little bit.
He does a program very much like mine in the sense that we do not screen calls.
There are very, very few people in the industry who do not screen calls.
And now he precedes me, of course, on KABC in Los Angeles.
And it's going to be quite a combination.
So that was fun.
Now, I received a fax, unfortunately, at the end of the show last night.
Actually, I'm sorry, email.
And the signal appears to be now gone.
But Marty in Iowa, Iowa, mind you, middle of the country, wrote me an email saying for the past several evenings, I've been getting an extremely strong signal centered on 5720 kilohertz lower sideband.
And so I was very curious, and I tuned 5720, and by golly, there it was.
And it was the strangest signal I've ever heard.
Now, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it right now because as of tonight, it is not there.
But last night, it was just slamming in.
And I've heard a lot of radio in my years because it's what I do.
I've never heard a signal like that.
And if some of you would be kind enough to check 5720 kilohertz lower sideband, I would appreciate it from time to time.
It's not there now, at least I don't think it is.
But if you begin to hear that signal, please tax me, email me, call me, whatever, because I want a lot of people to listen.
I want to know where it's coming from and what it is.
Enough said.
Now, with Dr. Barbie Taylor, we were talking about the other side.
She was commissioned by the Bigelow Foundation to investigate the world's best mediums, you know, in an effort to try and find out if there is something on the other side.
And in the first hour, we talk about the nature of the brain, how much we know about the brain, whether or not, toward the end of the hour, it might be possible to, in effect, open, let me back up.
If the difference between this side and what is called the other side is frequency, then it might be possible in the hard sciences to create, in effect, a gate.
You know, I don't want to use the well-worn stargate scenario, but you get the idea.
Some kind of gate that would allow transference from that side to this and this side to that.
What would the implications be, can you imagine, of such a portal?
Could it be done?
Maybe.
Does it involve the very nature of time or dimensionality?
I don't know, but I have a feeling that if we move and there are people doing work like Dr. Raymond Moody, and she mentioned Dr. Moody, if we do work in this area, it may become possible.
And imagine the implications of that.
Here's a fact I just got.
Well, well put, Art, your thoughts about death being more of a continuation.
For NBEs, at least for this one, the dividing line between death and the afterlife is not the extreme delineation, the demarcation that it was prior to the experience.
It is, in effect, a connecting flight.
Just no luggage allowed.
Someone once said, we are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
We are spiritual beings on a human journey.
That's Bob in Austin, Texas.
And that is a very interesting way to think about it.
We are not human beings on a spiritual journey.
Even though we perceive ourselves that way.
We're human, we're flesh and bone, with mortality and a limited time here.
Instead, you might want to think of yourself as a spiritual being on a rather short human journey.
At any rate, we'll take a few calls.
We'll pick up Dr. Barbie Taylor again at the bottom of the hour and continue with this.
And next I was out, I felt that I was, where my car was setting, I felt that I was laying on the back end of a truck and that the whole truck was glowing inside.
It was cold and I was laying on the bed of that truck.
And I asked everybody around her.
There was no truck there.
I guess I was on the other side.
But you can, the way to get out of your body is to find out what the other side is.
You have the instrument to do it, your brain and so forth.
You tune in on approximately seven or eight cycles per second, approximately hypnosis state, and you can walk out of your body.
When you're out of your body, you can walk through walls and everything else.
And you can float through the air or you can go from one place to another automatically.
If you had an experience like that, if you came close to death and thought you had seen God or our Maker or whatever force lies beyond, I believe there is something, they probably would send you to see a psychiatrist, maybe a Dr. Taylor, who knows.
And I suppose that if you began to sense that what you were saying to them was being regarded as psychiatric illness, that you might quickly back away and say, oh no, now I realize now, you know, it was a dream, and I'm fine.
Let me get the hell out of here.
Thank you very much.
I'm fine.
Have a nice day and leave.
In other words, not press your case, lest you end up in a rubber room.
And then when the time came, he was returned, but actually lived another reality.
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And when he did, he came out of the coma.
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I found that last story absolutely riveting.
Do you think there could be another side that is, in effect, simply an alternative reality?
And you know what it reminded me of is that portion of Whitley Siever's book where in Breakthrough, where he was talking about coming off a freeway, he was with a young man, a friend of his son, and they went off the freeway, and then just for a moment, they were in a totally separate reality.
Now, also, many times associated with these conscious things that occur, as we just discussed, there will be a green flash or a flash that will occur, and suddenly you're somewhere else.
That was one of the, or several of the stories were told in which people were suddenly in utterly and completely different places, or even more interestingly, in the same place without the modern buildings there.
In other words, as the same area would have been minus the way things are in the world right now.
Yes, I was actually working very closely with Dr. Greer at the time that I became involved with the Bigelow Foundation.
But what I was doing with Dr. Greer is I was the working group coordinator for Las Vegas, which meant that two Saturdays a month there was a team of people who were trained, and we went out into the field, out into the desert to different sites where we did the key study research using certain consciousness protocols to hopefully create some kind of an interaction with extraterrestrials or with chips.
And I did this for about a year and a half as the working group coordinator.
And then I also was on the executive council.
So I worked very closely with the small group of people that were the kind of guiding thoughts behind what he said he was doing at the time.
And we would frequently go back to Asheville, North Carolina to Dr. Greer's home.
And we were gathering the most credible, the best available evidence at the time so that there could be briefing with world leaders about the fact that extrascills are here and have they visited the planet for a long period of time.
It was an organization totally based upon diplomacy and on consciousness, which is the reason I became involved with it, because it was very positive.
I left CSETI about a year and a half ago because I was very actively involved in working on my book at the time, and I just couldn't continue to do both.
But I understand they had continued this project in doing the debriefing.
I know that Dr. Greer, who is just a magnificent articulate leader, he had debriefed people at a very high level within the government.
I know that that has continued even beyond what he had done to them.
And I know that they have continued in gathering evidence.
I believe he was on your Dreamland show not all that long ago where there's some talk about some case that he has received, a video that I believe from Scotland that is supposed to be one of the best videos.
But one of the other things that I did with these studies, which was the most extraordinary experience that I had with UFOs, with, I shouldn't even call them a UFO.
It wasn't an unidentified flying object.
It was definitely a ship of some kind.
But there were five of us who went down to Mexico to do research.
This was in the beginning of 1993, shortly after I had moved to Las Vegas.
We were there for six days.
We were working in a very remote area east of Mexico City on the east side of the volcano there.
And we had extraordinary interactions where in the middle of the night, in fact, the remote vivid encounter happened at 11.45 p.m.
We were doing what they call coherent thought sequencing, which is a type of, it's sort of like remote viewing in a way.
You're projecting your consciousness out into space and then creating a visual image for extraterrestrial consciousness and guiding them back to where you are located.
We were in the process of doing a procedure like that, and Dr. Greer got, we had our eyes closed at the time, but he got the message, open your eyes, look to the north, which he did, and there was an amber light that was coming directly between the two volcanoes.
We had a high beam light, which he flashed at the object, and he immediately yelled to us, this is it, this is the real thing.
And as we opened our eyes and looked at this amber object, which was really quite low to the horizon, it immediately turned towards us, came very close to us.
In fact, we were able to, using topographical maps and going back there to the St. Clark the next day to determine that it came within a mile of where we were located.
It was already at a low altitude.
It came even lower, and as it approached us, Dr. Greer flashed it two times.
It flashed back at us two times as it was coming towards us.
Then it kind of dipped down.
We thought potentially it was going to land, but then it kind of pulled up.
We saw the underside of the ship, and it was the triangle-shaped ship with these three white lights and the red light in the center.
And then it flattened out again, went away from us, flashed back at us from the rear as we flashed it, again two times, and then flashed back two times.
Then it went down over a ridge, a very low ridge.
And what was so fascinating about that period of time when it was closest to us is that all of our equipment shut off.
You know, this is going to sound far out, but let us imagine for a moment that these are not ETs.
Let us imagine that these are craft from right here on Earth, something we have developed generations ahead, maybe from Area 51 or, you know, who knows.
I've wondered about this for some time.
I had a very, very, very close encounter with a triangular object.
I think there's a number of different things going on.
I think that one of the things we have to recognize is when we talk about extras responsible, we're not talking about just one group of beings.
That there are extras rescues that come from a variety of different places, and they have their own particular agendas for why they might be here.
I personally believe, with a lot of evidence to support this belief, that there is a group of existressals that interact with our inner government, or whatever you want to call that aspect of our government that has been working on these black projects.
And I think that, especially where you are, out in Philadelphia and here near Las Vegas that there definitely are things going on that relate more to some of our technology.
I don't believe that's what was going on down in Mexico when we were down there.
The reason that we had gone down and had that particular usage trip in the first place is because ever since, I believe it was July 11th of 1991 when they had the solar eclipse in Mexico City, they began having all of these multiple sightings.
They've had a UFO flap, a very involved flap down in Mexico City, the largest city in the world.
Well, we saw not only this triangle craft, which, by the way, the very same thing happened again the next night, exactly at 1145, but instead of coming from the direction of the north and then coming towards us, it was coming from the east this time and came towards us and once again dipped in such a way that we could see the underside and see the lights and see it was the triangle craft.
But we also saw a disk-shaped craft and there were three of us, Dr. Joseph Spurke and myself and the man who was doing our technical, handling our technical equipment.
We saw a small disk-shaped craft about 2 o'clock in the afternoon and it was so close and so clear that it was absolutely the closest sighting that I have ever had.
And totally, fully conscious, all three of us saw it at the same time.
And we were so close to the volcano at that point that if it, my immediate, you know, your brain tries to make sense of what you're seeing.
And my first immediate response is, oh, this is a small airplane taking off because it was kind of at an angle.
And I believe we were looking at the side of a disk.
So it looked sort of tubular, but it was very reflective of sunlight.
It looked like a pinfoil in the sun.
But then I immediately realized there was no insignia.
There was no wings.
There was not a tail.
And if it was a conventional craft, it would have hit the volcano, which is an 18,000-foot volcano.
And besides that, we had just hiked that whole area the day before.
There was not even villages out there, much less an airport, and there was no sound.
All right, well, I'm beginning to get confused with regard to these objects and whether they are part of a mystical experience or whether they are really solid craft from elsewhere.
In other words, whether these are popping in and out of some other dimension or time or whether they're actually from another place far, far away.
I don't think that those things are necessarily mutually exclusive.
I believe that there are very real craft, nothing both kind of craft, but that they may have a technology of understanding the dimension of time and be able to go in and out of dimensions so that we would perceive them at one point and then maybe not perceive them at another point.
So I think they can travel interdimensionally.
And also, I believe that there are, that's about certain, that there are bases here, too, where these crafts are located, whether it's underground or in remote areas.
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All right, back now to my guest, Dr. Barbie Taylor.
We're talking about the nature of the other side and some of the things on this side.
And I, you know, I wonder if there really is a difference, if we're dealing with different things, or perhaps if it isn't that other side sort of opening up, popping in to this side, strange as that may sound.
Well, you know, I think part of what the clipping is about is about a dimensional shift.
I think that in some ways we're sort of between third and fourth dimension at this point in time.
But I believe that there's certain people who experience it more so than other people.
And that those people who are beginning to awaken, let's call it their wake-up call, those people who are beginning to awaken to this level of understanding, I believe, will actually perceive things and possibly experience things as they evolve in the world and during this time of great change differently than those people who just are not soon bidden at this point.
And I believe that's why when we get into those arguments and some scientists get into the arguments that, well, certainly there can't be visitations here from outer space because of the distance that would need to be traveled and because of the speed of light and so forth.
I think that's a misunderstanding and that these beings who are so much more evolved technologically than we are that they are able to travel through time in a different way than we are.
So I really believe that there are time experimentations that are going on and that we know a great deal more than what has been revealed to most people.
Well, it also comes from the fact, thank you, that we are mortal beings.
And so it is necessary that we measure time, if for no other reason than to know how much time we've got here, roughly, and to conduct our daily activities.
So that's right.
And it may well be that what we call the other side, for lack of a better term, simply may not measure time the way we do.
I certainly think that that is undoubtedly very true, and that's why we can't quite perceive how it must be on the other side when we think in terms of reincarnation and we think about somebody coming back, we think, well, how long are they there before they would come back?
You know, what period of time is there in between?
Because we're constantly perceiving things in terms of this linear model of time.
And I don't believe that's what, and I believe that quantum physics is beginning to show that that's not the way it really is.
The next time you get together with some of your colleagues and you're trying to draw something extraterrestrial into our atmosphere, why don't you just try just for the heck of it to see if you can draw some of those MIAs and POWs that are still working in Southeast Asia to see if they could come home?
Well, I don't think in the type of technique that we're doing that that's going to be accomplished, but I certainly think it's important that there are people who continue to hold that in consciousness and deal with it in a political kind of a way so that that reality can happen.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
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My son was recently put into a psychiatric hospital, and they gave him a drug to make him relax and sleep a lot.
And since he's been on his drug, he seems to be hearing voices such as aliens from his grandfather and stuff.
And Dr. Taylor had mentioned something earlier that when persons became more receptive in a certain claim of mine, and I was wondering if she maybe could go into it a little bit.
The pharmacology aspect of things, people, doctor, are very hesitant to talk about this aspect because of the government attitude with regard to drugs.
But whether it's a prescription mind-altering drug or an illicit mind-altering drug, would it be your opinion that that would be a chaff to an altered consciousness that may cause the brain to open itself to other things?
Well, I think certainly that some of that is going on, and when people are labeled as schizophrenic and they are hearing voices, of course, what the psychiatrists are usually trying to do is to use some sort of a medication to eliminate that.
But I sometimes wonder how much, especially because of my background in parapsychology as well as in psychology, I wonder, well, how much is there some kind of a bleed-through that has to do with other realities, whereas we're looking at schizophrenia as more of just the brain chemistry?
And I am certain from some of the work that I have done that there is such a thing as being affected by empathy.
And in fact, I have even done some work with people.
I don't know if you've ever talked to Dr. Edith Fiore, who she is a psychologist who has done some work with entity detachment or depossession, whatever terminology you might want to use.
And I have done some of that work myself.
And it is amazing as you're working with somebody in hypnosis and you may be talking to this entity that is there and residing within this person's consciousness or within their space.
And then you begin to talk with this entity in such a way where you get the entity to go into the mic and help it understand that it needs to move on in its own growth.
And then the person goes through a very significant, I've had this happen a number of times, where the person goes through a very significant sense of this entity leaving.
They feel it physically, they perceive it at a visual level sometimes, and it changes their lives.
Now, as a psychologist in private practice rather than as a psychiatrist, I am much more likely to be working with relatively well-functioning individuals who are just having some stress in one aspect of their life.
So I'm not working with the people very often who are medicated, who are hospitalized.
But I really believe that there is going to be a need for more professionals to begin to understand that there's more going on than just the way we have been trained about psychiatric disease, and that we need to understand from the psychological aspect that maybe there's more to reality than what we have thought, and that some of these people are being affected by LC, and that they need some help in detaching from them.
Not only investigated, like I said, I have actually worked with people And helped them go through this process, and it's been quite significant for them.
Dr. Chapp, who will be here Friday, will talk a great deal about poltergeists.
And there seems to be an awful lot of evidence that poltergeist activity is absolutely real, and it seems to center many times around young teenage girls.
It may be some type of a more cytokinetic type of a thing where there's some kind of brain activity that's going on, feeder or something that is happening within that person's ability to affect matter or to affect material things.
No, I have not been involved in a situation where we were investigating pulsarized activity.
Now, I know the Bigelow Foundation has been doing some work in that area, but this has been more recent, and that wasn't the project that I worked on.
But I have directly worked with other individuals, with professionals, who have worked in those kinds of environments and who have told me about what they have experienced, and I felt that they were very credible, and I believed them.
Well, Dr. Tapp has evidence of it, and he has seen it many times, as has Brad Seiger, for instance.
I've interviewed him and so many others, and they've all seen this personally.
Now, again, going back to the ability of our brain, it's why I asked, if we can move things with our brain, if we can move into another reality with our brain, just imagine, imagine the untapped,
unknown portions of our brain that unless we, for example, these sessions or activities seem to occur, as you pointed out, and as Dr. Taft did, when there's something associated with a seizure.
Well, clearly, when you have a seizure, something else is going on.
Well, and there may be what they sometimes call a delta spike.
Your caller was asking about what I was talking about, about delta.
When we talk about brain wave frequency, the normal waking state would be what they call theta.
The next level down, if you're going to be working with altered states of torque, either hypnotically or possibly meditation, would be alpha.
The next level down would be theta at a deeper level.
And then delta would be what we're in when we're in deep sleep.
But there's apparently more things that can go on at that delta level than just deep sleep.
Now, there are some people that believe that all of us in deep sleep actually travel out of body and that we are involved in some sort of activity beyond this particular dimension.
I have no conscious awareness of that, but I certainly have talked with many people who feel that they do have a conscious memory of that.
Now, I did go through a really interesting experience once when I was first getting involved in an understanding of Eastern meditation and spirituality.
I had learned about a very famous holy man by the name of Saibaba.
I don't know if you know of him at all.
He is a holy man in southern India.
He's frequently called the man of miracles because he's been very much associated with manifestations or what we might think of as psychokinetic type miraculous occurrences.
And when I first began to be aware of him and read some books and began to get very interested in the miracles that were happening right here, right now in third-dimensional reality, I went through a period of time, I would guess it was maybe several months, where I remember that during the time that I was sleeping, I could visualize myself sitting on the floor next to him.
He was sitting in a chair, and I was sitting on the floor, and he was teaching me.
And I know that this went on every single night for a long period of time.
Now, I could not wake up in the morning and tell you exactly what he taught me, but I knew that there was a long period of time where I was being taught in my sleep.
Now, that was one of the times where I did have a very conscious awareness that something was going on while I was sleeping.
But I think there's probably a lot that goes on while we're sleeping, and I know certainly the Monroe Foundation gets into a lot of that and some of the work that they're doing.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Barbie Taylor.
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Hi.
Hi.
My question for the doctor is about remote viewing.
All right.
First of all, I do agree with her also about these craft that some of them are from our government technologies that we have, but I saw craft in 1969 that I estimated going 360,000 miles an hour through our atmosphere with bright red tails, about 12 of them in a fee formation.
But anyway, my question is this.
I have a friend who asked me what I knew about remote viewing, and all I could tell her was what I heard on your program, Art.
She is going to order some tapes from one of these institutes.
It wasn't the Farside Institute.
And she asked me, can it help me when I go to the racetrack?
Tommy, is it going to help me betting on the horses for the next day?
It's a type of a discipline where you're using very specific protocols to tune into a location that I believe they frequently give now just as sort of a random number or a target.
That would be a good way to put it.
And the person is taught in a very specific way how to tune into this, and they frequently will use drawing as well, because that gets you much more into your right brain process, the more creative, intuitive aspect of your mind.
And people are coming up with remarkable information.
And when you have several different people doing the very same thing who don't even connect with each other, they seem to be able to come up with very similar delays.
There's been some delays through the potential publisher.
And in fact, I would be interested in talking with anyone who maybe could help me get this out within the next few months because I believe it needs to come out immediately because it's about how to very personally deal with this time of the quickening and the changes that are taking place, how it affects you at a very personal level within your lives.
All right, suppose, though, Doctor, that I wanted to use, to address the caller's question before the bottom of the hour, I wanted to use remote viewing for a less than honorable thing.
Well, you know, it's interesting, and that's what the other caller had asked as well.
There was a group of people here in Las Vegas who were getting together to learn remote viewing, and they were particularly using it for gambling and for all the horse races, etc.
And they kept having difficulty because things just kept falling apart.
I mean, it seems like there kept having to be a new person come in to teach it.
They couldn't keep the person who was teaching it, and they were having problems within the group.
One person was having terrible dreams and felt that there was some sort of a negative energy.
And I think that sometimes when you misuse this, if you open yourself to negativity, and that whenever you're using consciousness techniques, you need to come from the highest degree of spiritual integrity.
He talked about the military remote viewing program, and he said that they lost an awful lot of people who were simply unable to handle the experience, meeting up with entities and things that were not necessarily part of the target they were supposed to be going after.
Yet a shaman is being trained at a very spiritual level, and some of the remote viewers, their training was more scientific, and I'm sure it was quite confusing.
How do you know, sir, this was, if I can ask, an OBE versus a dream?
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Well, I listened to a show from Al Taylor, and I compared some of my experiences with the phone callers.
Well, it came to, well, I ended up looking at my body.
And then all of a sudden I was elevated from my car, or I don't know if I was in my car at this point, I elevated very fast above the trees, above houses and everything.
And then all of a sudden, I'm floating above my bed.
I see my wife, and I slowly, it was kind of like being in a three-dimensional game on a computer, or swimming in a dark pond, maybe late at night where you get disoriented where the water above is.
Back in the late 70s, when I was doing my internship at the VA Hospital, I was reading Robert Monroe's book, Journeys Out of the Body, and I also had the opportunity to meet him at a conference in Kansas and talk with him about some of the things he didn't include in the book because he kept talking about that he had a lot of sexual type experiences but then he didn't go into detail about them.
But I found that just in reading the book and then practicing some of what he described in the book Journeys Out of the Body, I began to have some of those very strong vibratory experiences that he described where I felt that it felt as though my whole body was just shaking almost violently, that when I looked at my body, it was perfectly still, that I was feeling the vibration that strongly.
But the one real vivid out-of-body experience that I had was actually in a dream where I dreamed about having an out-of-body experience and then became conscious of it, like a lucid dream, and said to myself, wow, this is an out-of-body experience.
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And as soon as I did that, I immediately awakened.
For several years here in Las Vegas, I was working in a rehab practice with a lot of people who had been injured in one way or another or who had gone through surgery.
And many of them talked to me about the experiences that they may have had, either in the accident itself or on the operating table.
I've just had many, many people talk to me about these kinds of experiences, and they're just very, very real.
East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Barbie.
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Hello.
Hello there.
I've been a short-time listener, I guess, about a month.
I'm in Gary, Indiana, my state.
I listen on WLS in Chicago.
Right.
And if there's one thing I've learned listening to your show, that we don't sleep that much, so I don't think out-of-body experiences are that common with our bell listeners.
That may be.
My question is a short two-parter.
I have heard a theory, and I don't know if there's anything to it, about the possibility of out-of-body exploration of space.
And part two would be, you know, if anybody's heard anything about that.
And part two would be regarding remote viewing.
Has anybody attempted or heard that anybody attempted, since this remote viewing seems to be, there seems to be a lot of relevance to it, remote viewing of Area 51 for civilian reconnaissance?
And in this way, Doctor, is it possible that what we call entities or spirits, in fact, may be people who are, in fact, having an out-of-body experience?
But I think frequently when people are having some sort of a problem with entities attachment, it is more like what we would call a discarnate entity that is somehow still attached to the Earth's plane, that for some reason they haven't moved on in their own particular spiritual growth and they're still attached to the third-dimensional reality, which sometimes are relatively benign, And other times are benevolent, and other times are malevolent.
So that, you know, I think that there can be a wide variety of experiences that people may have with these beings.
Well, certainly when I was doing that work with the Journeys Out of the Body book and practicing some of those techniques, I was having very strong vibratory experiences.
And in Kundalini Yoga, where we're talking about the Kundalini energy that the Hindus would talk about it being at the base of the spine, people have had experiences where suddenly that energy has suddenly broken through in such a way where they have quite strong physical experiences.
So I certainly think that we're affected by many things that may be going on within the body and within the energy that the body is actually energy.
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Do you think it could possibly be from just my mic?
Well, I've always had an interest in this aspect of spirituality and then, you know, in that way of living.
But I've just recently hear this listening to our bell only about a year ago.
And I myself had read that, Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey.
Yes.
And I was wondering if it might have been just a manifestation from reading that material.
I think that's certainly what happened with my own experience that I had back in the 70s.
But I also think that we're all going through, not maybe all of us, but many, many people on the planet are going through a spiritual awakening and that it is affecting us at a physical level as well.
And that frequently when we're sleeping or at other times, we may have experiences where we feel like somehow our body is making some sort of adjustments to this higher frequency.
I believe that that is exactly what is taking place on this planet, that we are spiritual beings acting out a human lifetime and that we're in a time of great change and that it is going to be affecting us on all levels, physically, spiritually, politically, educationally.
Our understanding of what this extraterrestrial visitation is, the dimensionality shift, I believe in all of these things that we are having an awakening and we'll begin to understand these things and experience them differently.
But you've exposed so many people to that awareness so that they can maybe start writing to their congressmen and their senators and get some kind of an open forum going about that because I think that may have a major influence on part of the reason we're having such changes in our data.
Well, anyway, last weekend, I was traveling from, I live in Kansas City, and I was going to see my family in Missouri, and I was speeding the ADM dial, and I was driving.
And I came across a program.
I don't really know who it was or really what station it was on, but I caught the tail end of it.
And they were talking about a thing that the DOD came out and announced about some kind of a product that they had that burnt exotic, some kind of exotic fuel, and it could reach speeds up to Mach 15.
It is a very good question because even I have a very difficult time navigating back to a certain area in the website or finding something once it has gone to a certain area.
And I was getting a little annoyed, to say the least.
So I told her, I said, look, there's a parking lot right over here.
Just let me out of the car.
And she says to me, she says, no, you know, that's all right.
I can go back up the hill.
And I said, no, no, no, no.
We've already tracked this six or seven times.
And I really don't want to do this.
So I said, please let me out of the car here.
And she kept arguing, telling me, oh, no, you can come and stay at my house and this and this.
I said, no, no, no, no, no.
Let me out of the car now.
And so she stopped in the large parking lot that I asked her to.
The moment that I opened the door, it started pouring rain.
And I mean big, fat rain.
And it drenched me immediately.
Now, I have some of a 50s pompadour, you might say.
And that was instantly just pushed down into my face.
My Sparco was soaked completely through, I was just absolutely just drenched in rain.
I looked over to the right, and there's an older man standing underneath one of these overhangs, like what might be in front of a store, like an awning.
In fact, it was an awning.
And so this guy is just standing there staring across the street.
I look over.
I don't see much.
I just see a lot of puddles starting.
I walk over to him and I said, so what's up here?
I was just drenched.
And he says, well, he says, I'm watching my house float away.
And I said, you're watching your house float away?
And I looked across the street, and there was a cardboard box floating across the street.
I felt really bad for this guy.
And I said, look, I said here, you can have all the money that's in my pockets here.
And I just offered it to him.
And I think that I only had a few dollars on me at that point.
Gave him all the money that I had and all the change.
And I said, look, I said, there's a cannery right down the street here on Patterson Street.
Go upstairs.
There are some lunches up there.
I used to work there.
And sit down and have yourself a nice little meal.
Unfortunately, someone else's expense.
And get yourself a nice hot cup of coffee.
And that should do you.
And he said, thank you very much.
He said, I can't believe that you're being so nice to me.
And I said, there's no problem there.
Everybody's down in their lights every once in a while.
So I decided I was going to walk across the street and up this muddy embankment to the highway.
I had no way home.
It's 2 o'clock in the morning, pouring down rain.
I'm soaked.
I just gave all my money to this guy.
I walked about, I'm going to say, 20 yards.
After 20 yards of walking, I stopped and I turned around and the guy was gone.
Completely gone.
Just, I mean, literally disappeared.
And I looked all around, standing there in the rain.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
I was kind of, he just wasn't there.
So I continued across the street, went behind the bar, went up the mud embankment.
Still pouring.
I'm slipping down it.
I'm covered in mud now.
I'm drenched in rain.
I'm washing my hands in the rain.
It's coming down so hard.
There are no cars on the street.
I'm about six foot two, drenched, muddy, standing out in this, you know, highway by myself, and here comes one car.
And I thought, well, here goes.
So I stuck my thumb out, and the car pulled over.
And it was a priest.
And I turned and I looked, and there was that guy standing underneath the awning again, looking at me.
And I mean, one minute he's there, one minute he's not there, the next minute he is there.
Oh, well, there's some Native American myths in Mexico that said they've seen UFOs way before, and if we had any of this technology, and the Spanish even wrote about it in their history books.
If it really is possible to get into somebody else's mind and, in effect, read their thoughts or even more seriously affect their thoughts, and I'm told it is possible, then it's the end of privacy.
It may be the end of individual thought because how can you know whether a thought you're having is your own or something that has been projected to you?
And if people actually are able to enter others' minds and inculcate ideas or thoughts that they will regard as original, imagine the possibilities, or as people with a credit card say, master the possibilities.
My goodness.
Dictators, presidents, leaders, world leaders, what could be done?
Do you know I'm one of the white women in the world who thinks that O.J. could not have done the murder and leave those bodies for his children to find?
And so now that they've got the 30 new pictures of Bruno Maui's shoes, I think he should go on the stand and say, you know, I've been thinking about it, and I did have one pair of those shoes I wore to that Buffalo Bills game in 1993.
I don't even believe it's happening, but like you were saying.
When you get off the air, you go out with your new telescope and look almost straight above your head, just below Leo, there's planet Mars, the red planet waiting for you.
Well, it's the new moon, so it's out of sight, but you can see it's a telescope, because when the moon's out, you really can't take advantage of everything else that's up there.
I mean, I've been taking it out during the day and looking at the mountain behind me and that sort of thing and different targets on the ground, but that's no fun.
Before I talk to you about what your guest said about an eclipse in Mexico and in New York, did you hear about some livestock mutilation that happened?
Where?
Well, this weekend in Colorado, a whole herd of Broncos were totally annihilated by, I guess it was a jungle cats or British sports cars, I couldn't tell which.
And then on the East Coast, a whole posse of cowboys were similarly annihilated by Panthers or something.
You know, could it be that if there are time-traveling astronauts, couldn't they use, instead of these prop circles, couldn't they use an astronomical event like an eclipse as a great place to mark a particular place in time where they should look?
Well, there's a scientist by the name of S. Warren Carey, who's really actually a well-known geologist, who's published several volumes on the Earth, and it's really actually growing, physically growing.
That area known as the Bermuda Triangle, which has had many, many, many severe magnetic anomalies that have caused aircraft and boats within it to lose navigational capability with spinning compasses and that sort of thing, has been said to be no longer there.
That that area has moved.
And there are some who speculate it may be now near Long Island, New York.
And seven years ago, and it'll be this February, seven years, I had three massive heart attacks.
And I went to the emergency hospital in Riverside, California.
And I remember going, walking into the emergency and telling them that I thought I was having a heart attack.
And they took me in and put me on the table.
And I don't remember much more after that until about a week later.
And the only thing I can remember in that period of time was, well, when I finally come to my senses, about a week later, I woke up and I was profusely soaking, sweating, my bed was just drenched.
And the only recollection I have in that whole time was that I don't know, I kind of thought maybe it was a dream, but I didn't know.
It was like, I can remember, like an elevator shaft.
And it was just, but there was no cables or anything.
It was just kind of like a square concrete shaft.
I would say it seemed like it was probably, oh, probably six foot by six foot square.
For all the people out here in your listening audience who don't have a computer or don't have access to a computer, you could get on the air and show all these photographs that you haven't been able to see.
unidentified
Exactly.
Now, the only downside I have that you would have is the inconvenience of having a CV truck out in front of your house would be that everybody could see that you have a face made only for radio.
In other words, if somebody went, let's say somebody who was a bigamist, correct, went to, took it on up to the Supreme Court and argued there is no constitutional basis for a law forbidding multiple spouses, I can't see why that person would not win.
unidentified
Well, they shouldn't win because it should be referred back to the states.
But what I'm saying is that would validate the Tenth Amendment, and virtually the court would be saying the states do have the right to allow that if they want.
unidentified
Yeah, I would say I'm part of the strict constructionist view of the Constitution.
I'd say United States does have a right to do that.
Jason from El Dorado Hills, actually a first-time caller.
Yes, sir.
In a book I was recently reading dealing with the Church of Jesus Christ, Father-Day Saints, they do specifically mention that in 1887, the Edmunds-Tucker Act went through the courts and they say you could not have plural marriages.
A test court did go through the Utah Supreme Court and they upheld that, the Edmunds-Tucker Act.
Based on what constitutional principle, in other words, laws are tested against our Constitution, right?
Correct.
So, Act, explain to me what the constitutional principle is that holds these laws to be valid.
unidentified
Well, in fact, most of the even persons who weren't members of the church at the time felt that that act was very unconstitutional, and that the act has stayed.
Now, I think a constitutional scholar might claim settled law, which I'm not very pleased with.
And that basically is the concept that if a law has been in place and accepted for a long enough period of time, whether or not there is a good constitutional basis for it, it is a valid law and may be upheld.
It's called settled law, and it unsettles me greatly.
The Constitution is either the Constitution or it is not.
The health settled law.
Just because something has been wrong or unconstitutional for a protracted period of time does not, in my mind, validate its continuance.
Then, about 30 seconds into the strobe light and the paralysis, I felt like what felt like currents going through my toes and fingers moving upward towards my middle torso.
And it was heavy-duty stuff.
It felt like electricity, but it didn't hurt.
And once it got all the way up, of course I couldn't move that whole time, but once it made its way all the way up into my torso, I couldn't feel my heartbeat or my eyes move or anything.
And that lasted three minutes.
When I got up, it let me go just like that.
And I got up and ran over the window because I heard some noise out there before it got me and paralysis.
And there was two raccoons coming out of some kind of paralysis, too.
Now, somebody called the show the other night and asked why, what constitutional basis there is for prohibiting people from being married to more than one person.
unidentified
Does everything have to be governed by the Constitution?
And what happened was, my brother's not that interested in astronomy.
I took him out on a clear evening about a year ago, and I was pointing out to him something near the brilliant, conspicuous constellation Orion.
I was going to show him the Pleiades, that faint group of six or seven stars very close to it.
I said, here, you've got to take a look at this, Mike.
I shot my arm out up into the sky, and unfortunately, it turns out that I was up about six or seven moon diameters, but I didn't know that.
He and I simultaneously followed my arm's length up into the sky, and at the very point that my index finger was pointing at, a brilliant fireball came out of nowhere.
It was bright green.
It went for about three or four seconds, left the smoky trail.
My brother was aghast.
He was halfway paying attention without saying, he said, what, were you predicting something that's happening?
And I said, no.
I explained to him what it was.
I said, Mike, what do you think the odds of that happening again?
People talk about it, and they always say, you're safe.
Don't worry about it.
That cord cannot snap.
But I had somebody on the air, I think it was Albert Taylor, perhaps, who was talking about that.
And I said, hey, how about all those people that die in their sleep?
How do we know that their cord didn't snap?
And he said, well, naturally, we don't.
Yeah.
unidentified
Another thing he mentioned, too, you've been laying in bed and just be dozing off for almost asleep, and all of a sudden your whole body just jumped, just jerked.
I'm Art Bell from our affiliate in Salt Lake City, K-Talk, AM63, and they ought to be the authorities on this.
Indeed, the U.S. Constitution denied polygamy.
And in fact, the Edwards-Tucker Act, as was mentioned in 1893, was enforced to force Mormons out of the practice of polygamy.
Utah, as a matter of fact, had to put polygamy legislation into the Utah Constitution in order to become a state.
Now, I'm not sure at all that it is in other state constitutions.
And again, I go back to what I said a little while ago.
I'm not at all satisfied that there is any reason, any constitutional real prohibition against polygamy except for the concept of settled law, which as far as I'm concerned stinks, but I am not a constitutional attorney.
And that basically says if a law has been a law long enough, constitutional or not, it can be held to be so without an apparent constitutional basis other than the fact that it has been there for, you know, forever.
Something like that.
All right, I promise this is a very, very special song to me.
Not a lot of people have heard it.
Some have.
Some haven't.
I believe it clearly is about reincarnation.
The caller asked for it, and so here it is.
This is a group known as the Highwaymen.
See if you can pick out the various voices.
Check this out.
unidentified
Music by Ben Thede.
I was a highwayman.
Along the coast roads I did ride.
Sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young maid lost her bottles in my strait.
Many a soldier shipped his life blood on my blade.
Master Hummy in the brain upon his mind.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the sky.
With the sea I did buy.
I filled the score now aboard the Mexico.
I went along the world to make the living group.
With the yard broke off in that I got here.
But I'm living here.
I was a damn building across the river deep and wide We're stealing water till the line A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado I slipped and fell into the wet palm deep the north They buried me in that great tent of no-no sign But I'm still
glad I'll always be glad Glad to run, glad to run, glad to run I'll blast starship across the university by And when I reach the other side I'll find a place to
rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highway man of care Or I may simply be a single rock of rain But I'll be there
I will remain I'll be back again Well, is that something or what?
Well, but aside from that, the actual transfer rate that I get from ZNET, who is your actual Internet Service Provider, I mean, I'm getting 4.8K, 5K a second.
It is so much that for my next client, I've already lined up the fact that they're going to be using ZNET because their primary concern was how fast stuff would download.
But it was kind of a truth or trash type call, except it doesn't really belong there, but it's absolutely true.
And it's about a trip.
I took a friend.
My junior year of high school in 1992, I went there, a friend of mine had owned a ranch out there.
And I did it for a month.
The whole time I was there, my friend kept pointing up to a mountain, saying that once when I was young, my father took me up to this mountain.
And it was the funnest place I've ever been.
And I agreed with him that I would take this journey.
As my time there ended, I decided to go up to this mountain with my friend.
And it was a heck of a time getting there at all.
But by the time we arrived, we'd been hiking for hours.
And the whole reason he wanted to get there was to inscribe his name on a tree, a tree that you could see even from his house in the rolling valleys out there.
Just as I saw the perfect spot to inscribe my name, or my initials, I saw my initials already inscribed.
And they had been inscribed years, years, at least decades, I would expect, earlier.
But absolutely, clearly my initials in oak bark, which if you've ever seen, not oak, I mean ash bark, it is very smooth, but if you inscribe something in it, it stays there for a long time.
The only reason I could tell it was very old was that, you know, lichens and other growth had come in and kind of expanded out a little.
But it looked like for decades, my initials had been inscribed on that tree, and I'm telling you, this place had the foot traffic of maybe 10 people a year.
Well, that is very weird, sir, but it's still better than going to a graveyard and finding your own tombstone.
unidentified
Much better.
I'm telling you, but if I may tell you the one thing that crossed my mind the second I saw that, and I'm telling you, I was quite shocked because actually the first thing that struck my mind was that this is such a rare place that anyone would ever be to begin with.
I was shocked that anyone decided to inscribe their initials there.
But a lot of the things that he was talking about w were things that uh that can't really be proven, that are things that are believed on tape.
And uh I just want I was just wondering, next time you have him on, could you ask him to to you know use his remote viewing with something that he can prove, like could he find Jimmy Hoffman's body or something like that?
Well, that's from yesterday's program, and the idea was that drugs are generally not smiled upon.
Marijuana, for example, is what we were talking about, because it produces an altered state of euphoria that religions wish reserved for their own purview.
Correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
I'll try to get through yesterday, please get through.
But actually, religiously, people who gave potions to people who acted like they were devil possessed, which would qualify for somebody who's on drugs and won't do a bad treat, basically was burned at the stake and the like.
I suspect that's probably had a bit to do with it in the life.
But more recent times, of course, scientifically, what the person's doing is they're mimicking the natural openings the body produces.
And they're basically, well, the immune system, as the cells are dying, are being attached to the receptor sites, the neurons, the brain cells.
T cells send out the lymphocytes, miracle phases and golf brain cells because they're dead and dying, and you're digesting your brain out of your skull, basically.
Or through the circulatory system, one static system, and you're basically flushing your brain down the sewer.
If the perfect drug was ever discovered, that is to say, a substance which gave you a great sense of euphoria of some sort, with absolutely no side effects,
no after effects, no ill effects, but a simple, straightforward, euphoric state that that drug would still be either outlawed or controlled by the government.
I believe that to be true, and I think that may make the case.
Under no circumstances would the government or society in general want you to have a drug without consequence that would produce euphoria.
And that would be controlled or outlawed.
I'll bet you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified
Well, this is JC, and I'm glad that I finally got through to you, that you're not able to keep me from getting through to spread the word, because what you had the other night was unbearable.
How dare you let someone smoke marijuana on the air?
Don't you know what marijuana does to people?
What does it do?
It can cause people to go crazy.
They go into a pot rage and murder and rape and kill.
You know, how about this 215 and 200?
How about the parents of the teenager that smokes the joint for the first time and thinks he can fly and jump off the Empire State Building or a bridge?
How can you stand there and say that they should be legal?
The evil rock and roll music that you play, and the music that you play, this pounds, the pounding rhythm, which pounds the wheel of the lither and the submission every time you go to break.
It's hypnotic and it's demonic.
And it talks about getting too excited.
And I won't know why I hide it.
I want not to repeat it, but it's horrible because that's about fornication.
There's actually going to be a commandment about rock and roll?
unidentified
Yes, Harry.
There already is.
I told you in the new revelation that there shall not be rock and roll music.
No more rock and roll.
That's right, because it's of the devil.
And the fact that that man again on the other night who was saying this to deny government, that deckle that hovers over people as they die, that terrible sinner man, that horrible, this new aiser that got struck by lightning, will need to die because he waits on the bike.
He's an evil man hovering above people's deathbeds, stealing their ideas for a new age, nonsense, and tearing them away.
God, those who rise before they're going to die.
I know what your plan is, and that is, you've made a vow with Satan, that you can be on his right hand and tear away as many Christians as you can before the end of those end times.
And the fact that you're using talk radio, which is among the most people who listen, are conservative.