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Jan. 3, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Near Death Experiences - Dannion Brinkley

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
		Good morning, as the case may be.
		From the besieged west, where the rains just keep on coming.
		Actually, they've let up a little bit, but as you know, there is disaster from northern Nevada through California, parts of Idaho, Washington, the West.
		As a matter of fact, in general, is at least many parts of it are underwater.
		Parts of Reno.
		Tasinos closed down.
		Now, that's how you know when it's really serious.
		Tasinos begin to close.
		The flooding has been horrendous.
		Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the program.
		I've got a surprise guest for you.
unidentified		Back from Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The author of probably about ten books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly the most recent taking off like a rocket ship at Peace in the Light.
unidentified		It's called by Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, back from Egypt, will have quite a bit to tell us about what's going on in Egypt with all of the players.
unidentified		For there are a lot of players.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, he's a good friend.
		He'll be with us shortly.
		He's probably pretty pooped.
		He's in Atlanta and has a grueling schedule.
		We'll find out about his schedule here in a bit.
		Daniel Brinkley coming up shortly.
		Coming up a man who has had two near-death experiences.
		Actually, I would call them death experiences, at least certainly in one case.
		Danion Brinkley.
unidentified		The End.
		The End.
		you Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Daniel Brinkley lives in South Carolina sometimes where he does hospice work.
		He does that because he's been there, he's done that.
		And so he tells people what it's like to die.
		He gives more, though, than a hundred talks a year all over the world and is working to establish the centers that are described in his new book, At Peace in the Light.
		Daniel Brinkley is one of the world's unusual people.
		He really is something else.
		And I think he is with us this morning, tired, but with us in Georgia or South Carolina or someplace or another.
		Danien, welcome.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where actually are you?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I am in Conyers, Georgia, which is where everyone is seeing the Mother Mary appear in the skies.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I thought that would be a befitting place for us to cross paths once again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		Well, since you are there, what are you hearing about that?
		I mean, what's going on down there?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, literally tens of thousands of people show up here.
		I mean, tens of thousands.
		From people who are having visions, from a lady who is said to see the Mother Mary in the sky, who communicates a couple of times a month with this lady.
		And I'm not really sure about that art, but I know that thousands of people come from all over the world to fill up parking lots to see that.
		It's pretty amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, I know that you just got back from Egypt.
		You were in Egypt at a very critical time.
		Everybody thought something amazing was going to be opened around December 5th at Giza.
		And you were there then, weren't you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely nothing.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		You know, here's what's so really wonderful and marvelous about all this.
		Here I'm a guy.
		I deal with death and dying.
		But I had one small problem in the course of death and dying.
		I had that vision.
		You know, I'm a guy.
		I was struck by lightning.
		I never believed any of this stuff.
		Never thought about any of this stuff.
		I come from the deep south.
		You know, everyone religiously down here is going to hell because of the nature of fundamentalism.
		And then all of a sudden I find myself in this whole new world of spirituality.
		One day I never believed a single word.
		The next day I was dead.
		The day after that, I became everything I never believed in.
		So where I find myself on this lovely early days of the new year is watching a lot of the vision come true.
		Then finding myself quietly in the middle of it because I always ask people, how many times would they have to be killed before they started really paying attention to what was going on around them?
		Me, it takes a couple of times.
		So I guess I'm a pretty hard-headed guy.
		But nonetheless, my attention has been gotten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the first time you were actually where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were in Georgia, you were hit by lightning.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		South South Carolina.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I was hit in the neck by a bolt of lightning.
		It went down my spine, well through the nails of the heels of my shoes to the nails in the floor, knocked me in the air, suspended me in the air, and threw me back down.
		I was dead for 28 minutes, completely paralyzed for six days, partially paralyzed for about eight months.
		It took me two years to learn to walk and feed myself.
		And I probably lost close to 60 or about 63 pounds.
		So it wasn't just like a walk in the park.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Then I was struck by lightning again in 1978 while talking on the phone, which wasn't really very interesting.
		It only knocked me unconscious for 45 minutes, and it took me about five months to get over it.
		Then in 1989, 14 years later, I collapsed from heart failure, had to have emergency open heart surgery.
		They cut my heart out of my chest.
		They had to replace an aortic valve.
		I had my second near-death experience.
		And I came back again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, Daniel, I feel like I should send you a portable phone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, I think that everyone who talks on the phone during the thunder, a storm, they need more than a portable phone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They need to understand that that is stupid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I could understand once, but twice, Daniel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twice?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Some of us are probably far more hard-headed than others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And apparently with good stiff spines as well.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it happens to us all.
		But the whole key to it, Art, is what happens in the course of this.
		When you take a guy who doesn't believe any of it, nothing.
		You know, he was born and grew up in the rural South, fundamentalism rules.
		He grows up in the 60s.
		He finds himself in the Vietnam era.
		And then he finds himself in a place where his religion is really who lived and who died.
		And then one day he finds himself and faces himself.
		And in the course of going through a near-death experience, I mean floating out of my body, going through a tunnel, coming to a place of life, having what is really the most important part of the whole experience, the panoramic life review, where he faces himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, 18 minutes the first time you were gone.
		28.
		28 minutes?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No pulse, no respiration, no EKG.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For 28 minutes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really dead.
		I mean, that's not near death.
		That's dead, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The admission slip into the emergency room.
		Patient unconscious.
		Patient not breathing.
		Patient no EKG, 17 to 56 minutes.
		Now, I don't know what you call that art, but that sounds pretty dead to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they revive you, by the way?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't really know.
		I mean, you go through the standard thing where they put the pedals to your chest.
		You go through injections into your heart.
		But I wasn't really around for all of that.
		From the moment that the lightning struck me, as I watched them load me in the ambulance, as I watched them work on me, try to resuscitate me, all of a sudden, when they said he's gone, a tunnel formed.
		I moved down that tunnel.
		I came into a place of bright light.
		I began to feel all the childlike emotions that you feel when you're a kid.
		I was surrounded by light, but it was as though I was going home.
		It was as though I had just found a place that I was returning to for the first time.
		But I knew this was home.
		This was a place as though I am back here, but I had come from this place.
		I think what's really important for everyone to understand is that we don't die.
		And once we put that into a perspective in our lives, because, you know, I write all my books are to baby boomers.
		To those of us as we face our own mortality, we must help those who we love and who have loved us face theirs.
		And what I've done is learning that and knowing that you don't die, is try to help other people in my age group, baby boomers, deal with that issue.
		And in the course of that, from lecturing all over the world and from spending every day, I'm in my 18th year as a hospice volunteer.
		I'm in my 13th year as a nursing home volunteer and dealing with abused shelters and those kinds of issues.
		And I have my 153rd hospice patient or friend.
		So I've been with 152 people living this world, but I've also been with 152 families dealing with the inner dynamics of what they go through and the issues that they go through as they lose a loved one.
		Now that's been like my calling.
		I mean, all of a sudden I found a world that terrified everyone else, but since I'd already been through it, it never terrified me.
		So I began to focus everything I do on helping people in my age bracket, born between 1940 and 1964, deal with those issues.
unidentified		Daniel, do you think there's a hell?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a place that you choose to go to, you know, either heaven or you go to hell based on some religious context, I can't really say that there is art because if anybody was going to hell, it would have been me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was going to be my point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your background was not exactly saintly.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, born a jerk.
		I mean, and by the time I was 25 years old, I had being a jerk down to an art form.
		And I figured if anyone would go to hell, it would be me based on the nature of growing up in the deep south.
		I think there is a hell, but it's designed and created by each individual.
		But do I think there's a world after death?
		Absolutely.
		Do I think that we are spiritual beings that choose to come to this world and that are chosen to come to this world?
		Absolutely.
		And as each person comes to this world at this particular time in history and the nature of history as it unfolds, I believe absolutely that we are spiritual beings.
		We choose to come here.
		We're chosen to come here.
		We come at certain times and at certain points, and that we are doing our job to help the unfoldment of spirituality.
unidentified		Are we supposed to live spirituality?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, are we supposed to live our lives as it is given to us?
		In other words, a lot of people have an awful lot of trouble in their life, Daniel.
		Many of them to the point where they're ready to end their lives.
		I had a call from a guy about three or four weeks ago, ready to commit suicide.
		And you know what I told him?
		I told him what my wife told me.
		That you're not supposed to do that.
		That you have a certain thing you're supposed to live through on this earth while you're here, and it's not up to you to end it prematurely.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		When a person comes to that point, you remember the next time they call and say that art to tell them that Daniel Brinkley loves them very much.
		So it means they're loved.
		Number two, they chose to come here and were chosen to come here.
		And they have a right to leave.
		I mean, it's their right.
		When people say, you think people should commit suicide, absolutely not.
		Because you break your deal.
		I mean, you make your commitment with yourself and spirituality.
		But do you have a right to make that choice?
		Sure, you have that right.
		By the time you come to this earth, you are a powerful and mighty spiritual being.
		And you come because destiny chooses you and you choose to make a point in destiny.
		And yes, it's a hard road a hoe.
		But, you know, what else is there to do in the universe if you have a chance to grow spiritually and to put into perspective this life?
		We live at a certain period of time where the world is unfolding and changing very rapidly.
		All the so-called institutions, religions, and governments that we've put so much trust and so much faith in are crumbling around us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sure are.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And then where do we find our strength?
		We find our strength in our own selves, for we have nowhere else to turn.
		We find our strength in looking at things like the near-death experience, which gives us a system by which you leave this world.
		I think it's really important for people born between 1940 and 1964, the baby boomers.
		For we are the ones responsible as we face our own mortality to help those who we love and who have loved us face theirs.
		How each of us learned to do that and the way that we learn to do that is uniquely our own, but yet it is required that we do that.
		Think of this.
		10,300 people turn 50 years old a day.
		That means that we as the baby boomer era, which are 81 million Americans, are in a place in our lives where we lose, where we're facing the loss of our loved ones, our moms, our dads, our brothers, our sisters, our friends.
		We have to make the kind of decisions that are very, very important to them as well as ourselves.
		I look at religious institutions and governments.
		I watch how they deal with those issues.
		I see that we're poorly prepared.
		What people don't really realize is in this new year, Medicaid and Medicare won't exist as we know it.
		There is no Social Security.
		There is no retirement fund.
		The government is teetering on, no matter what they say in the stock market, the government is teetering on a very precarious situation.
		So what we have to do is know that mom and dad will be home with us.
		And we have to make those kind of decisions.
		For me personally, I'm rather happy about all that.
		Because then the circle of life is recompleted.
		When Aunt Jane was leaving this world, and our daughters and our nieces and nephews, when they came to spend time with Aunt Jane or Uncle John, and they brought them soup and they knew that there was a beginning to life, a life, and an end to life, then the circle of life was complete.
		What we've lost is that identity.
		And it puts us in a place where we always feel inadequate.
		We never quite have closure within a family structure.
		And we find ourselves relegating the responsibility of our loved one to someone we call doctor, Medicaid, Medicare, or HMO, or managed care systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what's happened to me, Daniel.
		There was a time in my life when I was almost a total political animal.
		And I have watched politics and talked about it over the years.
		And in recent years, the last couple of years, Daniel, I have come to realize how really unimportant this consistent fight between the liberals and the Democrats, the conservatives, Republicans, how meaningless it really is.
		Talk radio consumed in the last couple of weeks with the fate of Newt Gingrich one way or the other.
		And in the end, Daniel, spending a lot of time with that is utterly, totally without redeeming meaning.
		In other words, it's going to turn out however it turns out, but it's not going to change one damn thing about my life and my future.
		That's up to me.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with you in two perspectives.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The first is what the liberals of the Republicans of the Democrats do has really no effect on what's really going on because they are the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're the same, yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They cover each other.
		They look after each other.
		We move into a global psychological nature.
		We listen to both parties, and just in an election year that just passed, we listen to both parties, never deal with the issues of balance in the budget.
		Exactly.
		I mean, the whole issues of what makes this a better country or what our greatest service is and who stays where and who does what.
		We look at the World Trade Organization, we look at NAFTA, we look at all the issues that are going on all over the world.
		We look at Bill, who is, you know, we Southerners always stick together, and Bill is truly the epitome of Southern politics.
		But when you put it on a global perspective, you find yourself in deep trouble.
		I think that what we all have to realize is that so-called Quote-unquote one-world position, and that there is no differentiation between Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, because it's all moving toward that either coalitions or one-world position.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
		Daniel, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		My guest is Daniel Brinkley.
		And this should be an interesting evening.
		As I mentioned, Daniel just got back from Egypt.
		We'll find out what he was doing there and what he saw and what he thinks is coming.
		You're listening to CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-12995.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		It's good to be here, too.
		My guest is Danion Brinkley.
unidentified		The End.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		First art, I think that flowers are the greatest idea that anyone can buy.
		I mean, I have to kind of reiterate that because I take them to my hospice friends all the time.
		And I watch what flowers do for a person lying in a bed, facing the new world.
		Not maybe understanding this world, but yet having to be in a position to face the next world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ready to go to the real new world order.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, the real true spiritual world.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But flowers do make a great difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sure do.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to highly recommend flowers.
		I will order this other product and see how it works since at 46 years old.
		I'm developing one of those hope I can lose, not change my habit positions like at all.
		So I will give you a full report.
		I can give you a report on flowers.
		I will give you a report on this other product as soon as I order it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
		All right.
		Somebody sent me a fax, and it says, Art, please ask Daniel how closely the movie of Saved by the Light really followed his life.
		How factual was it, really?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a television movie.
		So the factual part about whether I was a bastard growing up, I mean a really bad guy growing up, is true.
		Whether that I changed from one person to another person based on what happened is very, very true.
		And the rest of it is like television movies.
		I mean, a person's interpretation of someone's life or the events in someone's life are always different depending on how each person sees them.
		But what I was really proud of is it kept the issues before the public.
		First, you don't die.
		Second, we are spiritual beings.
		We're not poor, pitiful, stupid humans trying to have mystical lives.
		We're great, powerful, and mighty spiritual beings trying to have human lives.
		And mostly it was the fact that someone believed enough in the book to invest the almost $2.5 million it took to bring it to television.
		And last year it was the highest rated television show in Fox's history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it really?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was like third-rated in the history of movies of the week.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And then this year they re-ran the movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and it held its own in the same time slot against Roseanne and Frazier, and it never dropped one percentage point.
		So I think that as close as you can possibly make in a television movie broken into seven parts, dealing with commercials, and as much as that, I am that person.
		So it's pretty accurate.
		I'm a little smarter than that.
		I was meaner than that.
		And I can't say that I'm prettier than Eric Roberts, but, you know, I'm a little bigger than Eric Roberts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the reasons I guess I asked you about hell was you were pretty bad early in life, and you took others' lives, did you not?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Those were minor parts of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but still, it's a deadly sin, they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if anybody's going to go to hell and not go down the old tunnel O light, it would have been you then.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Particularly with a strike of lightning, which would seem to be an act of God.
unidentified		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, some people are enlightened.
		I was enlightening.
		So I understand that part of it.
		The whole key of it, like a lot of times, people always are looking at me as someone separate from them.
		If they stop and they think, how many of them have ever talked on the telephone when it was thunder and lightning?
		Okay, almost everybody in this listening audience will put their hand up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		All right, how many of them have ever done something their mother told them not to do, which is talk on the phone when it's thunder and lightning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your mom always tells you, don't do that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so they're talking and listening to someone who's just like them.
		This is what I went through.
		This is very stupid to talk on the phone doing this thunder and enlightening.
		And maybe I'm a little more, I was probably a little worse than most people because this is the way I grew up.
		I grew up fighting in the South.
		I grew up with machaism and who you could torture and how much you could torture them was a semblance of power or being a man.
		And then I entered the Vietnam era.
		I went off to war.
		And it appeared as the more damage I did, the more patting on the back I got, the more the behavior pattern was reinforced.
		And so that my whole life was centered around how much damage I could do and what I could destroy.
		And in the course of that, I began to realize that that was the way the world really works.
		As you talk about politics and those kinds of issues, the way the world truly works is we're spiritual beings.
		We have a destiny set for us in a spiritual manner and in a spiritual way.
		And that that is the key and the center and focus of what we're doing.
		And as to heaven and hell, it's not that cut and dry.
		The most important issue that I can tell anyone listening to this part of our program is that number one, you don't die.
		Number two, you will lift out of your body, you will move down a tunnel, you will come into a place of light.
		You will be surrounded by light, you will be met by a relative or friends.
		And more importantly than anything, Art, you'll have what's called the panoramic life review.
		That means that you will not only have a 360 degree panoramic life review, you will see and feel everything that you've ever done, you will witness it from a second person perspective as though you were an empathetic friend watching yourself go through whatever you're going through, and then you will literally become every person that you've ever encountered, and you will feel the direct results of your interaction between you and that person.
		A lot of times that can be hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I was going to say, I might rather go to the dentist.
		You know, Daniel, I wrote a book about my life, and I had a whole chapter that I wrote on my regrets.
		And I'm telling you, partner, I probably don't have to tell you, because you've done it.
		But when you sit down to write about the bad things that you've done in your life and the people you've hurt, it's undescribably difficult.
		Indescribably difficult.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But also, too, this art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And painful.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Everybody out there, even you, looks at themselves when they talk about the bad things they've done.
		They don't look at themselves as a powerful and mighty spiritual being who chose to come to this world and who was chosen to come.
		And that you are the literal best there is.
		There is no one in the order, rank, or file by which it is who could come here to do a better job than you.
		When you put that into perspective, good and bad, evil, those kinds of conceptual psychological natures that we use in religious context don't apply.
		You look at yourself as a powerful and mighty spiritual being who set one goal or one purpose that spirit grows as well as you grow.
		And you come and do that job.
		I didn't have a chance to write down the good or the bad.
		I became every person that I ever encountered.
		And I felt the direct results of my interaction between me and that person.
		That's hell.
		Because a lot of times you might be making fun, you might be laughing, you might be thinking you're doing a certain way.
		But how it affects that person, love thy neighbor as thyself, and do unto others as you would have others do unto you, is not some religious jargon.
		It's reality.
		I specialize in the near-death experience.
		I specialize in palliative care.
		My lectures are about bereavement, trauma recovery, and grief recovery.
		My books are about how to deal with those issues.
		But in the course of that, and that I'm in my 21st year, my seven years after my near-death experience, life takes me down many roads like it does us all.
		But once we look at this fact, you will not die.
		It will not happen.
		Number two, there is the methodological system by which you enter this world and by which you leave it.
		There is a measure of yourself and your greatness in service to the spiritual realm that most of us never get a chance to put into a context because we deal with religions, institutions, and governments.
		And all those things teach us to be afraid.
		What my whole goal is, is I cannot stand for someone to die alone in this country because we are taught to be afraid of death.
		We are serving that issue.
		And we're taught that the world that we live in and the world that we come from is a finite place that science, archaeology, mythology has brought to a definition that is really not true.
		One of the toughest things I've had to deal with since going through two near-death experiences is about 75% of everything you hear is a lie.
		We're all taught that we are going to go to hell or purgatory or we're going to go through some kind of issue concepts that are cut and dry issues.
		That's not going to happen.
		It will not happen.
		While I write my books, what I try to bring across to people my age, born between 1940 and 1964, hey guys, look, this is what happened to Daniel Brinkley.
		This is what he went through.
		He's as big a jerk as you'll ever meet, and yet you can change your life for the good.
		You can change your life from a different perspective, and you don't have to die to do that.
		Now, in the course of 21 years of all of that, and if those people who have read Save by the Light or Peace in the Light, they realize that I not only had a near-death experience, I went through a panoramic life review, I traveled through cities of light, I had a vision of what we now know to be the future.
		I have watched now of 117 things, I've watched 95 of them come true.
		And as they've come true, I've begun to really identify with the fact of the time period that I, as well as they, have chose to live in.
		And I think that what you do, Art, for all of us who stay up at night, who are pondering what to do with our children, our moms, our dads, our brothers, our sisters, our jobs, our futures, you bring a light of Hope there.
		You bring a light of perspective because you are much like us.
		A person listening to Art Bell realizes that they're really a lot of times talking to themselves.
		So I'd like to say, hey, Art Bell, thanks for being out there.
		Thanks for being brave enough to talk about all the issues that all of us think about.
		And think about giving us alternate perspectives to who we are.
		Because you would like a near-death experience a lot of times to people at 11 o'clock at night or 12 o'clock at night all over this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, then there is not judgment as we classically have understood it biblically.
		In other words, fire and brimstone or the reward.
		Absolutely not.
		There is, however, a judgment.
		It's one you make of yourself.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Watch this, Art.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Think of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is how it works.
		What was so amazing to me is that, you know, I expected to go to hell.
		I mean, it was like the first place, you know, that's what I was looking for as I went through this program.
		Although that I was surrounded by love, I was protected.
		I knew I was safe.
		From the moment you lift up out of your body, and this is not just Daniel and Brinkley, this is everybody.
		From the moment you lift from your body, you're safe and protected.
		You realize that you're about to go home.
		You know the place that you're there, that you are, is more real and more closer to being safe and at home than anything you've ever experienced in your life.
		The greatest judgment of yourself is when I was describing the panoramic life of you.
		This is judgment.
		When you see your life pass before you, the judgment is this.
		When you look at yourself, and I'll put it in a religious terms, because, you know, it's the best that I can do.
		If God couldn't come today and God sent you, what difference has God made?
		Not a damn thing to do with you.
		This is a job.
		We come here and we choose to come here.
		We choose a certain way to serve a certain purpose and then we go home.
		We were great and powerful spiritual beings before we came here.
		We will be great and powerful spiritual beings when we leave here.
		It's the quality of the job that we do every day here that makes the difference in spiritual growth for the world.
		And when I learned that kind of impact, and when I had to really face it, not just hear it, I had to go through it, I realized how important we are.
		And we're not poor, pitiful, little stupid humans trying to have a mystical experience, but great and powerful and mighty spiritual beings trying to have a human experience, which really changes the whole way we see ourselves.
		And once we start that path, we begin to open our eyes, our hearts, our minds, and our souls to change in the world.
		The world is at a place, Art, where if everyone who's read those books, I know I reiterate that, but the people who've read my books know that we are in a place of a fast-changing world.
		Between 1997 and the year 2004, the world as we know it will evolve dramatically and in some cases horrendously, but in other cases miraculously and marvelously.
		But we chose to be here at this time.
		What I try to do is say, hey guys, take a look at my life, what the books are about, what I write about, and look at the techniques I put in those books and apply them to your life and see if it's true or not.
		There are a thousand million people out there telling a story.
		Like, remember when we were kids, there are 8 million stories in The Naked City, and Damian Brinkley's is just one.
		But what I try to do is instead of just have a near-death experience, I am in my 18th year as a hospice volunteer.
		I'm in my 13th year in my nursing home business.
		I've been with 153 people.
		I know every major researcher in the world who deals with death and dying.
		I've known most of them for at least 10 or 15 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of those, Daniel, who do you think is really on the right track?
		You.
		Well, thanks.
		But there are others.
		There certainly are others, many who are into this research.
		Is there anybody that you would particularly cite other than me?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dr. Raymond Moody, Melvin Morris, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, Bruce Grayson, Michael Stabaum, Ken Ring, I mean, Paul Perry.
		These are people who have gone out to look at the issue.
		See, our issue, as we prepare for the end of Medicaid, the end of Medicare, the government not being able to support all the social programs that we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's coming.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's here.
		They're about to vote on it.
		You know, we're good friends, so you know all the issues that Daniel Brinkley deals with.
		He cannot stand that people die alone.
		He cannot stand illusions.
		He doesn't like people being deceived into thinking that HMOs and managed care and those kinds of issues are something really important because they're not.
		They have passed away.
		Mom and dad will be home.
		Your aunts and your uncles will be in your house.
		Your brothers and sisters will be home.
		We have to look at those issues and prepare for it.
		And if we do that in an open, conscious way, dealing with spirituality from what the near-death experience teaches us, we'll handle it quite well.
		If we don't, we will find ourselves in some of the most horrendous actions, and we will let governments, institutions, and religions dictate the control of the quality of life of our moms and dads.
		If I can alert my reading public or people born between 1940 and 1964 to that, I feel like I've succeeded.
		And I mean, if you were born between 1940 and 1964, you're losing a loved one.
		That's what you're doing because I am living in this every day.
		And if you're fully prepared for it in a spiritual sense, not in a religious sense, a medical Sense or an emotional sense, but in a spiritual sense, then you are capable of dealing with it.
		And if you're not, you're doing an injustice to yourself and to the people you love and to the people who have loved you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Daniel, it's very difficult for a lot of people to believe there's anything at all beyond the physical.
		It's just very difficult.
		They wish, they hope, they have this inner hope, but they just don't know.
		And many of them just frankly doubt.
		And to them, it's material.
		And you're here and you live and you grab what you can while you can, because when you're gone, you're gone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are dummies.
		Okay, not only, I used to think so adamant are, these are fools.
		But then I have to stop and think.
		They haven't been through what I've been through because I would have thought the same thing.
		Number two, they deal with religious conceptual natures of themselves.
		Number three, it is reinforced by government and then institutions.
		And if they begin to have to face their own lives, they have to hope there is either there is nothing after this or that if you listen to science like what Carl Sagan or what a lot of scientific perspectives, a lot of people who say the near-death experience is a brain damage or some type of shock or a neuroendorphing release or a peptide bond release or, you know, let's see, what's the other one?
		Temporal lobe seizures or frontal lobe seizures.
		If you believe all of that, which I myself don't discount it, I believe that there's biological and neurological shutdown.
		I don't have any problems about it.
		But most of the people who say that that's all that there is are people who, if you ask them if they believe in God or if they believe in the spiritual nature of life, they'll tell you no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or they'll say I'm an agnostic or something.
		Daniel, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Relax.
		You've got several minutes.
		Grab some coffee.
		We'll be back to you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		My guest has sold millions of books.
		Millions.
		Daniel Brinkley.
		Saved by the Light and at Peace in the Light.
		Two of his biggies at Peace in the Light doing very, very well now.
		He'll be back in a moment.
		Back now to Daniel Brinkley.
		And I've got a facts here.
		It says, Art, if you recall, Gordon Michaels scallion, predicted severe weather and torrential rains in the west just prior to the first major earth changes on the west coast.
		And I know that you too had visions.
		It seems like people who have NDEs are then suddenly privileged to information about what's going to happen.
		And a lot of what you have said will happen has already happened.
		What do you see coming?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, two things I see coming.
		A lot of things that Gordon Michael says are really true.
		I mean, this is that era, the age of cataclysm.
		I would have to say that much of like what the fact says, we enter a place where the world makes a change.
		The universe makes a change.
		And we in our emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual selves must make a change.
		All right?
		And with that in place, that if the universe is changing and shifting because of the time, that period that we live in, then so must we.
		So I would have to say that much of the earth changes, but not quite as severe as I hear everyone say.
		But it's still going to happen.
		What we have to worry about, Art, is that you will be in the right place at the right time because you designed much of the life that you have before you came here.
		And I promise this.
		The key is the quality of the life, not the external forces that will affect each of us in the next 10 years, but our internal forces dealing with the external events.
		What I'd like to tell my brothers and my sisters out there, I mean the people who read my books and deal with my issues and listen to your show, I hope that we have that place, is, hey, guys, look, pay attention to the inner quality of yourself, how much you love yourself and the reasons why.
		Not how much you dislike yourself based on what some religion says or what your neighbors say or just your whole concept of yourself because you know yourself better than anyone.
		And when you have a panoramic life review, you'll be an expert on that.
		But count your blessings.
		You count your blessings, what you have, and how those blessings can go outward into the world and help make it a better moment and then becomes a better hour, then a better day, and then a better week, another month, another year.
		So the whole events that are going on around us, we have a lot to do with that.
		We as a people and a nation.
		And the fact that when everyone tries to say, hey guys, the earth is changing and it's going to tilt on its axis and what's going underwater, what's underwater will come above and storms and hurricanes and tornadoes and all that.
		Well, that means it's growing too.
		That means it's going through a cycle.
		And the earth has a right to go through a cycle of change and cataclysm as we see it, but maybe it's just the natural nature of the world as spirit sees it or as the earthly factors see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Growing pains.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we're there.
		The most issue, the most important issue, and I am not like a cosmic guy.
		I'm a guy that just deals with people losing their moms and dads.
		And how I, in my everyday life, as just one person from South Carolina who's been dead a couple of times, big deal.
		It's how I take what I've learned and help people in my age group who I know the issues that they're dealing with and apply it to that every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, let me jump to a subject here.
		You went to Egypt.
		Why?
		Why did you go to Egypt?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Because in the course of In Saved by the Light, I defined all the issues that I deal with.
		I put down the 12 doctors that I went through, I mean the 12 spiritual levels or the 12 future systems of future events that went 28 years into the future for people who haven't read Saved.
		And where I see the things that are really bad, then I try to change them.
		I do my radio shows, I talk, I mean, I'm everywhere doing my lectures to try to change them.
		The things that I see are really good, I try to enhance them.
		In the course of a conversation that I'm on a lecture tour because I'm out training people how to deal with losing their moms and dads and how to really return to the true spiritual value of themselves just based on my life and looking at my life and testing the theories and the things I write about in the book, in my books, and see how to deal with those.
		Okay, I meet a lot of people.
		I get to talk to them in green rooms before television shows.
		I get to talk to them on a lecture tour.
		Now, some of the people that on those lecture tours are completely insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Insane?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're insane.
		What they're talking about is utter nonsense.
		I mean, which to me, like 95% of everything I've ever heard in my life, I think is nonsense.
		Okay.
		And then all of a sudden, I find this 5 or 6% within the course of it, because I had a vision about the history of the next 28 years.
		Egypt is a part of it.
		Egypt is a center.
		Egypt is that place.
		Peru, the Yucatan, China.
		There are certain structures and certain things in certain places that they really are those places.
		You know, that's the best I know how to say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I felt that too about Egypt.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that shows you have as much sense as the entire rest of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you decide to go to Egypt?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was in the 73 war in the Sinai.
		So that was the first time I ever went to Egypt.
		And I went there because America needed a political settlement in dealing with that.
		And my particular part in life at that time was to ensure the fact that that political settlement came into being in such a way that no one knew we were the initiators of it.
		See how much better I've gotten at describing my job description in those days than that I wouldn't kill those suckers if I came on home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But your most recent trip, why?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Because we move into an era where everything that is our institutions, our religions, and our governments, and because so much of it's based on a lie, will crumble.
		And in the course of that crumbling, because I only prepare people to deal with losing their moms and their dads, but I listen to conversations between people that go back and forth that makes me be aware that there's a bigger, greater, and even more wondrous world than being dead has in it.
		So I went to Egypt because I believe that in the next couple of years, there will be a realization and a discovery that will be one of the keys into us changing our whole perspective of ourselves.
		Our identity as a mental being, a spiritual being, physical being, and a human being.
		Our history will be affected by that, like Egypt has been doing now for 4,500 years.
		So I go there, and I'll take a group of people with me, and then it's like a light group.
		I try to surround it with light and put into practice all the things that I really see are the issues of spiritual growth.
		I work with kids.
		I take a group and we'll work with kids.
		We'll do a tour of Egypt, but we'll work with kids and we'll deal with hospice issues and those issues and try to make a difference and try to put a support of spiritual love and hope in a place that is the center of one of the greatest transitions in our whole existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While you were there, you met with Zahi Hawass.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a bunch of other players.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know the big battles, political battles that are going on between Hawass and so many people.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And Cog and Robert Burrall.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Exactly.
		And you sort of, in a way, got into the middle of that?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I didn't sort of, in a way, aren't you know me better than that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		When I listened to all the conversations that went on, and in just one brief moment, I listened to a conversation, and someone started talking about the Egger KC predictions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I have a future scenarios that I myself saw when I went through my first near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you see?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I saw that the world would begin to change very rapidly in the Middle East, and that Egypt played a key part.
		And if Egypt was lost to the fundamentalistic Islamic position, then that would create a point that our whole history and culture would change at that Moment, and this was in a vision.
		I write about it in the books, 21 years old, and it would be a certain place.
		I need for that not to happen.
		I need to protect Egypt from the fact that the fundamentalist issues, by based on what's going on with issues with Graham Hancock and Robert Burong, and John Anthony West and the Egyptian antiquities, and Dr. Hawass,
		and just all the people in that, that that is the single event that could polarize Islamic cultures from Iranian, Iraqis to Afghanistan, East, to whatever it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not going so well right now.
		A lot of letter bombs have been showing up in the last few days.
		Generally postmarked Alexandria in Egypt arriving in this country.
		So I'm not sure that we could suggest that terrorism and that troubles from the Middle East and that an eventual clash with that culture is not going to occur.
		What do you think?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you it's going to occur.
		I mean, that's the whole nature of the existence of where we are.
		I mean, the fundamental natures of religions are now there.
		I mean, that's what we'll deal with.
		Bosnia.
		Bosnia was the Islamic culture against the Bosnian Muslims against the Serbians, which are Orthodox Christian.
		It was a religious war.
		All that's going to come about.
		I wrote about all that in the book.
		But in where we are in dealing with Egypt, Egypt, and Dr. Hawass and all the wars and mail from Alexandria, all that stuff tells us that what I just said is really true, Art.
		These men each having a valid position because I've listened and I talked to them because I deal with death and dying.
		What is so symbolic to me is that Egypt is where death is a part of life.
		And they say they built the pyramids and the Sphinx were all built as tombs.
		Well, that's really not true.
		I mean, that's really not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the purpose of the pyramids and the Sphinx are?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the purpose was to let us know that there was someone here before we grew into the civilized culture that we are.
		That there was a culture that existed, that was as advanced, and that it came into existence, and these are symbols left for us to identify.
		Because Egypt, China, the Yucatan, South America all have these places, these pyramids, this type of construction, and its observatories in its place.
		What I'm trying to do is, as I went to Egypt, because the story was that I go on Thanksgiving, and the story was that a great event was supposed to transpire.
		And the opening of the Halls of Records and the great Casey predictions, and some guy was going to home, and the great secret passage would open.
		Well, I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't happen.
		It didn't happen.
		Now, we had Richard Hoagland on the program, and he maintains that his sources say somebody found some kind of statue of a black man holding an onk, it was said, toward Orion.
		You're saying, uh-uh, you were there, didn't happen.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying, uh-uh, didn't happen.
		And I know Richard Hoagland.
		I mean, he's a great guy, good people.
		He's out there just like everyone else is, trying to really find the truth.
		And he deals with Mars and the whole Orion, the six Jews and all of that.
		But I was there.
		If that didn't happen, I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What did Zahir Was say about the opening of anything, anytime?
		What is coming?
		Does he have any plans for 97?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you this.
		He's in a place where after all the mudslinging and everybody having a certain type of cynical perspective toward each other, I see the internet art.
		I see that that's going on.
		As I met with him and talked with him, I realized that here is a pretty nice guy.
		He's under a lot of pressure because he is the head of the plateau, the Giza Plateau, where every day there's a new discovery.
		Every single day there's a new discovery.
		Restoring the Sphinx is the issues.
		All of the issues.
		And just like John Anthony West, a valid position.
		Well, I believe that what they're trying to do in the world of where the pyramids are is to restore them and to uncover what they can in a certain way.
		I mean, uncover it with the amount of funds that are available and dealing with all the issues and everything that they have to deal with in that part of the world as Egyptians.
		And not any great endeavor, you know, not to open something at a certain period of time.
		It be a movie made of it.
		All the things that we keep hearing, but trudging along every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we heard there was a Fox TV crew or a crew sponsored by Mr. Shore and company that was supposed to be filming some sort of opening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were they over there?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, listen, Hart.
		This is fun for me.
		Watch.
		One day, because I had my vision and what I went through coincides with what I'm seeing happening 21 years later.
		Somehow, I find myself in the middle of all of this.
		I talked to John Anthony West and Graham Hancock.
		I've talked to Dr. Hoas.
		I've talked to everybody there.
		And that didn't happen.
		It didn't happen because I was there.
		And I got a chance to look at each thing and look at each issue.
		Now, I'm not disputing what Richard is saying.
		I'm disputing what his sources are saying.
		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		He didn't see it.
		He got this.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I dispute Richard's sources because I was there.
		I find that every one of these people have a bona fide contention.
		Everyone has a very valid praise art that they, as I talk to them, and I don't know and really understand how I can call every one of them on the phone and ask them the questions and say, hey, look, the spiritual world must take the high ground.
		If these sacred chambers and sacred places are there, which Casey says, Nostradamus says, I mean, everybody on any street corner with some hippie beads on says, you know, everyone is saying, then I think that we must take the high ground.
		Because if your job is to unfold it and your position is whether it's Egyptology, whether it's astronomy or astrology or whether it's UFOs or whether it's extraterrestrial or whatever it is, there must be a conscious level of this perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're at the bottom of the arrow, so we've got a break here.
		I know you got to actually walk into some of the chambers.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Everyone of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I came home from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really, really want to ask you about that.
		So stay right there.
		As you know, I'm going to Egypt with many of you next October 1st.
		and so in a moment will get daniel uh...
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		My guest is Daniel Brinkley.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, somehow you got along where others have not with Zahi Hawass.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least after a little bit of chatting with him, I guess.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he then allowed you to go where you wanted to go.
		Yes.
		So in a second, I want to get that impression.
		First, though, I want to clarify something.
		Richard Hoagland originally expected an opening on December 5th.
		He said, in fact, there was a secret opening October 20th.
		That's the one he talked about.
		But you were there also then, weren't you?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, no, I wasn't in October.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not in October?
unidentified		No.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I was there through this last experience when everyone says there was going to be a great opening of a chamber and all of that business.
		But, you know, here's where we are in this art.
		I think the Egyptian issue is so very important that I decided to take a look at it.
		I met Dr. Hawash and I talked to him and I looked at the issues and I said, look, what's going on is a lot of guys who have bona fide contention and positions in this.
		Everybody, I mean, looking at Richard, looking at everyone's point, knowing that there are a lot of issues at hand that I wanted to be able to see and know for myself.
		I didn't have any problems going to look at anything I wanted to look at.
		I've only been looking at this issue for the last couple of years.
		But I got to look at tunnels and every place and every insight.
		I got to look in the sinks.
		I look at the chambers anywhere I wanted to go.
		I got to look at records.
		I got to look at anything that I needed to look at and ask questions.
		Then I found him to be not the Antichrist, but a person that's responsible for the Egyptian, for the plateau of Giza.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And working this stuff, I mean, day and night with new discoveries, every kind of way.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, you know, everybody has their own personalities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When you were in there, what can you, if you can describe to us, what were your senses feeling?
		What did you feel?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, anyone who does not go with Art Bell to Egypt is insane.
		I'll let you tell you that.
		We are living in a time that the whole world as we know it will all of a sudden change overnight.
		It's not earth changes as much as our spiritual inner selves.
		By the discoveries that will be in the Yucatan, in Peru, in Egypt, and in China.
unidentified		The Chinese issues are blocked from us.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They're blocked from us.
		Just like dealing with all those issues in China, it's blocked from us.
		Egypt is there where these records and these halls of records and this great story that we've been hearing for years, they are truly there.
		There is no question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is going to be found?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I know that we will find a system.
		I know at least one chamber, but I believe more than that.
		That are the records of our civilization, who we are, where we came from, how we came into existence.
		I believe that it will prove that so much of what religions and institutions and governments have always taught us, and they knowing this, knowing that what they're saying is not true, that's the hardest part, that all of a sudden, in one discovery, that will pass away.
		We will know who we are, where we came from, what we're about, and a cultural history of 5 million years as opposed to 5,000 years.
		I think that will rattle the Egyptian world, the Egyptian government.
		That'll rattle the whole universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll rattle the whole Christian world.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it will take it to thunder.
		I mean, it will, you know, they kept the Dead Sea Scrolls hidden.
		Okay, so now they're going to have to deal with the fact that people dig stuff up every day.
		I mean, I spent two, I go to Egypt on Thanksgiving because it's a holiday in America where you give thanks.
		And that psychology gives me a certain perspective of giving thanks and protecting those places and events that I know need protecting because of the wave of Islam.
		Now, Dr. Harwas, who I only met, who everything everyone told me about him, I didn't find any of it true.
		I found someone under a lot of stress and pressure because he's responsible for a budget, like any person in a bureaucracy responsible for a budget has to focus on certain issues.
		I haven't found any of these great conspiratorial things that I hear.
		But that doesn't mean it's not there.
		What's important is what is there, is that in the next couple of years, we will come to a spiritual place.
		And the people that we're dealing with are, these are men, just like you and I. They're just men.
		They're spiritual beings living out this scenario, trying to protect in their own way what the real truth is.
		And as that comes about, what I did with my bigoty self, I walked right into the middle of it because I feel I have a responsibility as just one man who knows there's a life after death, who knows that there are great spiritual secrets and physical secrets and mental secrets about we and who we are, our destiny and where we came from, that everything we've heard before now is a lie.
		It's protecting and bringing about, in a way, of the high road with spiritual people and their endeavors to make it a better world, if that's what they're trying to do, then a lot of the issues that are going on are unnecessary.
		So I've been talking to everybody.
		I was there.
		There are things being discovered every day.
		Every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you think, though, there lies ahead at some point in the next several years a discovery virtually of what is known as the Hall of Records?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, unequivocally, without any question, no doubt about it.
		Is the Hall of Records there?
		Absolutely, unequivocally, no doubt about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does Zahi Hawass believe that as well?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't believe it at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't believe it at all?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No.
		But is he open to exploring it?
		Absolutely.
		Is he open to the point of where, as an Egyptologist trained, archaeologist, all the things that you inherently have put in you growing up and being educated, but is he still open?
		Yes.
		And will he still look at any issue?
		Yes.
		Because he let me?
		Well, that's up to all of them.
		But I'll tell you this.
		I will be in the middle of it, Arbell.
		I will sit in the middle of it, and I will take just who Daniel Brinkley is and negotiate for all parties in an honest, open way.
		I've been talking to each of these people, and I can call them on the phone, and they all know me, you know, because we've met, crossed paths, and they understand my issues.
		Mine is palliative care.
		Mine is looking after your mom and dad every day and how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, listen, while we're on that subject, I've got an email here.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Maybe somebody else wants to talk to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, Art.
		I've been trying to reach Mr. Brinkley for a very long time with regard to his centers.
		I very much need to contact him.
		Can you give people a way to contact you?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Write me at Post Office Box 1919, Aiken, A-I-K-E-N, South Carolina, 29802.
		The centers, this was a vision.
		It was a vision that I had when I wrote about it and saved by the light.
		I would have completed the first center by now, and I would be using it, and does it work?
		Yes.
		And does it have a system within it that helps people touch that spiritual self within them, just like the vision promised to me?
		Yes.
		And will I go forth in the next couple of years and try to create a place so that each of these centers can be put wherever spirit chooses to be put?
		Yes.
		So if people write me, then I put them on a mailing list as best I can.
		You know, I went through the last time I told people to write me on the Art Bill show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And so to everybody out there who did write me, your books are there.
		They got their books.
		And thanks, Art.
		But if people write me, I will send them the information.
		It's the same as, you know, I still have a few books left.
unidentified		But write me, you know, and give the address again.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Daniel Brinkley, Post Office Box 1919, Aiken, A-I-K-E-N, South Carolina, 29802.
		Okay.
		And just write me and anything that I can do and where the centers are, I'll make sure that the information gets back to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are those who are listening tonight, I'm sure, who will interpret some of what you've said to be an attack on religion.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that strictly what it is, or are you just, you are really accusing those teachers of lying?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, because they're not telling the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's called a lie.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Because watch, Art.
		I've only been dead a couple of times?
		I'm a guy from South Carolina.
		I look at stuff pretty down to earth, and I have a way about looking at it that you can't, you know, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.
		And here I find myself at 46 years old in the midst of a series of events that determines the destiny of literally, if you believe the Casey readings, the coming of God.
		A lot of the issues that we're discussing is how old the Sphinx is, whether it's 4,500 years old as Egypt and history created by whoever created the Egyptian history, which is a combination of everyone's opinion,
		or whether it is 12,000 or 14,000 years old, like Edgar Casey said it was, in 1932 and 1933, and that people like John Anthony West has done their studies, and a lot of people and a lot of hard work come to conclude that it is what Edgar Casey says, but that it is older than Egyptology says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Daniel, no matter which it is, from being there, your sense is that whatever's there is very important for humanity.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But if knowing the truth is important to humanity, unequivocally art.
		And the truth is there.
		There's no question.
		It's also somewhere in the Yucatan and in China.
		So we have two places that we can, in the coming of the next series of years, which I write about in my books, I talk about every day, that we have a chance to protect, preserve, and to bring to a forum where the world looks at it,
		to set compromises and negotiations between all these parties, to come to some forum and to sit and discuss it and debate it in the issues without all this petty crap in it and let the world decide.
		That's what I'd like.
		That's what I'm trying to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Is it attack against religion?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm not attacking religion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not strictly so.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm dealing with reality as I know it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this, Daniel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have had your experience twice, actually.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 14 years apart.
unidentified		Once at 25 and once at 40.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only question I guess I would have is, how could you be sure, Daniel, that it would be the same for everybody?
unidentified		Well, let's see.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It is the same for everybody, and I'm sure.
		I'm sure of that because I look at it.
		I've been dealing with this issue for 21 years, 46 years old.
		I know every major researcher in the world personally.
		I listen and have conversations with them, Raymond Moody, Ken Ring, Melvin Morris, Bruce Grayson.
		I mean, I talk to everybody.
		I've been in over 10 countries and talked to more than 600 people who's had near-death experiences, looking at it from every cultural situation.
		And I've been with 152 people leaving this world.
		40 died in my own arms.
		One of them was my own mother.
		And three other family members.
		So when I sit quietly and talk about the issue of death, I know this is how you leave this world.
		This is how you do it.
		And it doesn't really matter what anybody else says or what they think or what they believe.
		They will leave this world the same way.
		They will have the near-death experience.
		And they shall travel home safe and protected in a way that is only the honor of great champions returning home.
unidentified		Do you believe in reincarnation?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I don't really know if I do or not.
		Because in my two near-death experiences, I had absolutely nothing that would give me any support to the fact of reincarnation.
		But once again, Art, on the tour, being the inquisitive old dumb country boy that I am, I have listened to Brian Weiss, Winifred Lucas, the pioneers of regression therapy, and I've listened to them.
		And I've talked to people that were people who, through regression therapy, found out that they had had a past life, and by realizing what happened in that past life, have been able to get rid of emotional problems, psychological problems, deal with issues, and face life better.
		So when you look at regression therapy as a theoretic modality for helping a person deal with emotional issues, and then you realize that it's based on that they had a life before this one or one before that, and by helping seeing that significance in it, that that person's life changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I can't help wondering, Danion, people are regressed in what appear to be other lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes I wonder, though, if they are not simply regressing into the inner sanctum of their own mind and attributing those things that need to be treated and brought out to another life, and they are indeed helped as a psychiatrist would help anybody.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I would agree that a lot of times that's the exact answer.
		I mean, I would agree with you, Hart, that's the answer a lot of times.
		But when you can listen to a lady, like a lady I met, and I check stories out, you know, I listen to what people say.
		I pay attention to it.
		When it's documented that from a child you kept going through a problem because you lost your children, and what happened when you lost your children, and this is someone who starts like six or eight years old and goes through it until they're 32 or three years old, married with children, and still having this same recurring problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, listen, I hear you, and there's another body of evidence.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I, for example, interviewed Dr. Bruce Goldberg, he can document things that people have related about past lives that have been independently checked and verified like this lady she could name all the names of her children where she lived the house she lived in there you go when she lived in it 110 years ago you go and you go to the a cemetery in this small town in ireland everybody there is buried there she's never been there you know you and she's an everyday housewife and this kind of stuff.
		So what I look at is I say a lot of times the things that you're describing are really what happens.
		But then there are these specific cases that, you know, how much evidence do you have to have to form a conclusion about it?
		And so when we talk about reincarnation, I have to begin to look and explore that as Daniel Brinkley.
		I know about death and I know about dying.
		And I know how you deal with issues facing those, and I write books about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as the late, great Dr. Sagan said, though, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But he had him a near-death experience just recently, though, Hart.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wonder what he would say now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what he would say now.
		It is true.
		I, too, wish we could get a one-hour, a sort of afterlife speech from Dr. Sagan.
		Wouldn't that be something?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		God, I would love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he said while he was here that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there is extraordinary evidence that Dr. Sagan lives on now?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And do I think there's extraordinary evidence that we will live on?
		Yes, absolutely.
		But do I think there's extraordinary evidence that about 90% of what he said, how he described how the world works and how old we are as a civilization is true?
		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the fun part is we live in the most golden time with the greatest opportunity that anyone could ever, ever deal with.
		Or we live in a time where because that our fears of death and our fears of change and understanding our own spirituality, our spirituality, not our religious factor, we could put ourselves in such a control place to give up our freedoms and our rights that if we don't educate ourselves, we're making a really terrible mistake.
		That's why I think people should listen to Art Bell buy from his sponsors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
		Listen, a lot of people will say, though, Daniel Brinkley, hmm, all you've got to do is read the Bible and you'll know what the real truth is.
		And Daniel Brinkley is just spouting a whole bunch of new age gibberish.
		There will be those who say that, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I support their right to do that, though, Art.
		They have that right.
		I mean, a lot of people are trying to hold on to the old.
		And there's nothing wrong with that because there's safety and comfort.
		But there's so many things that we're holding on to that has passed away already.
		It's passed away.
		And I support anyone's way at which they find God within themselves.
		I mean, I'm not against any religion.
		I'm against fanaticism.
		I'm against those kinds of issues.
		And what a person thinks about what I say and dealing with what I talk about, that's their right.
		But if they let those rights that they have flow over into the quality of the lives of their moms and dads and brothers and sisters in their final days, they'll deal with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a lot of people who are getting ready to deal with that exact problem, Daniel.
		And hold on.
		We'll be back to you after the break here at the top of the hour.
		So, if you would, everybody, stay exactly where you are while we resurrect a little bit of different bumper music.
		Here it comes.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is, my guests is Daniel Brinkley, and he'll be right back.
		And we're going to go to the phones here in a moment.
		So if you have questions for Danion, dial now.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean that no one wanted to talk to us tonight so far?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The line's been full since we went on the air, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, just checking.
		I wanted to make sure that people still loved me and knew that I love them.
		Just checking.
		Now, let me ask you one more question, Art.
		Sure.
		A Fox film crew on site on the Giza Plateau.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		When was that supposed to have happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we heard December 5th.
		Once again, originally Richard Hoagland thought December 5th would be the opening.
		But he came on later and said, no, there was a secret opening on October 20th.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going to ask Dr. Hawass that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think I know what he'll say.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I'll also ask, you know, I can ask a lot of other people that question that work around him.
		It doesn't matter.
		I'm going to ask that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now let me ask you something, Arthur.
unidentified		Sure.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Let's say that I can negotiate a position between all of these people to sit down in a forum and to let everyone, you know, just like you have to negotiate between all issues.
		Then I can create a place that all these people can come together and really bring those issues out and really hash them out in an open forum that the world gets to see and decide instead of like all of us trying to figure it out.
		Would you be a part of being an MC or helping put that together?
unidentified		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would be happy to be.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then you just got recruited.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And so everybody, you heard him say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you heard him say it.
		I absolutely am willing to do that.
		All right, Daniel, here come some phone calls.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Good morning.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I am in Columbia, South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Columbia, South Carolina?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're close to Daniel.
unidentified		Oh.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very close.
unidentified		I'd like to ask him a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You said that there would be great changes in the next few years.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And do you foresee first contact, anything like that?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, by 204, all of that will have become a natural part of our existence.
		So I would have to say that without any question, it would have to occur in the next couple of years that by the year 204 that we are not alone would become a very common day, a very common issue.
		And let me give a piece of background on that.
		I don't know about UFOs.
		I mean, I deal with death and dying.
		But from listening to a lot of people talk who I sit in green rooms and shows, and I listen to them.
		And what you hear backstage before you go on the air is a whole lot of different conversation than most of the time you hear when you're on the air.
		I've heard astronauts talk about pictures that they've taken.
		I mean, very famous people who were in Apollo's mission describe seeing extraterrestrial life or evidence of it or pictures of these craft.
unidentified		You've heard astronauts without any question.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And when you look at the Hubble telescopes in recent pictures and you realize that they just took a picture of a universe right next to ours that has 4.3 billion planets and 300 million suns larger than ours.
		And if you tried to travel across that, it would take moving at the speed of light, which is 182,000 miles per second.
		It would take 10,700 years.
		If you calculate 182,000 miles per second and you look at it over a year, that's like 6 trillion miles.
		And it would take 10,700 years.
		So for me, as I listen to these astronauts, I listen to what the Hubble Telescope brings about, and I listen to what people are talking about in those issues.
		I would have to say without any question that this will be possible and will be in the next couple of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something else.
		On the Fox television, they had what was called the Alien Autopsies, which you would think was a tabloid event.
		I sat and watched this, and I watched it, and then I went and bought a copy of it, and I probably watched it 20 times.
		I think it's the single most incredible piece of new 22 minutes of film in the history of mankind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's been a lot of complaints about it, Daniel, but I'll tell you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody has yet disproven it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		See, I don't even care about that art.
		I watched it myself, and I looked at it, and I took it to a dermatologist, and I said, look at this.
		Tell me, because I, just as Daniel Brinkley, like I said, only been dead a couple of times, that was the most amazing single piece of footage that in my whole lifetime, who I've watched it now like 50 times, that was the most amazing single piece of information that I gathered alive, that I learned about alive, and I don't care what people say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Connor, anything else?
unidentified		Do you suppose this Hellbob would become a big event?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Hailbob comet he refers to, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you look at the Hopi Indians, you look at what the Hopi Indian tradition and prophecy, when you die a couple of times, you really start looking at those issues.
		You look at the Hopi Indian and the Native American culture, then this comet signifies a very important event in the transition of spirituality or the second coming or the end of the world as we know it.
		And so if in the Hopi and the Native American tradition, yes, I think it's significant within the context of the fact that we all are growing.
		This is that time.
		This is that chosen time for growth, expansion, condemnation, control, or subservience.
		So sure, it is just one more of the keys and factors that each person identifies spiritually, that this is that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Talking to someone from the homeland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		This is Bill in Auburn, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Bill.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		Great show.
unidentified		I've enjoyed it, and I blame you for my baggy eyes and bloodshot eyes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But it's worth it.
unidentified		I just wanted to make one comment.
		You were talking about Richard Hoagland and the opening that was supposed to be done on October the 20th.
		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		October the 5th.
unidentified		9.30 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that was December 5th or October 20th, depending on which one.
unidentified		October the 20th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But that was at the Great Pyramid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And it was the little air shaft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So they sent the little caterpillar up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, the robot, the one that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So there was nothing going on at the Sphinx.
unidentified		Period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		And that was all I had to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I. I appreciate it, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Sean from New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sean.
unidentified		That's the first time I ever got through, so I'm kind of surprised.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sean.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad that you got through when it was me.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I'd like to ask you a question.
		How long were your total the total time you were dead?
		How long did that last?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		28 minutes the first time.
unidentified		How about all together?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well 28 minutes the first time.
unidentified		Okay just the first time.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now the second time, which was open heart surgery, I really don't know how you constitute dead, but I was on the machine for 68 minutes.
unidentified		What I mean is how long were you in that other existence, sir?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look at it in this time frame, Sean, all right, it was 28 minutes.
		No pulse, no respiration, no EKG for 28 minutes.
		How long I was on that other side was 28 years.
unidentified		28 years, huh?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Because what I went through in the course of passing through the Panoramic Life Review, lifting out of my body, and going to what's the Crystal Cities, I write about it, saved by the light and at peace in the light.
		Right.
		And I went 28 years into the future.
		At that time, Sean, I didn't know it was the future.
		I never believed any of the things that Art Bell talks about on his shows before then.
		I would have thought this was just the biggest bunch of crap I had ever heard.
unidentified		Did you ever see, did you see God?
unidentified		God's or Jesus Christ?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		But I saw great and powerful spiritual beings.
		That a person, when you had to look at a religious perspective, I could see how, as I've looked through the years, Muhammad, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Allah.
unidentified		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I've heard every different religious or cultural persuasion have a different name.
unidentified		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But what I saw was a being of light, beautiful, powerful, spiritual beings of light.
		Now, did I see God?
		No.
		But did I see where God lives?
		Yes.
		And am I excited about when I will get to return there?
		Yes.
unidentified		Well, you know, I'm a born-again Christian.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank God.
unidentified		I'm a firm believer in the Bible.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank God.
unidentified		And I am a man full of the Holy Ghost.
		Thank God.
		The Spirit of the living God.
		And that totally changed my life around.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, then thank God.
unidentified		And the Bible says no man can go to heaven without being washed in the blood of Jesus, without repenting of their sins and confessing of their sins.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Now, I know that to be true.
unidentified		I don't, you know, I'm not saying that I don't understand your vision or anything, but I would just like to tell you that's what the Bible says.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I'm a firm believer in the Bible.
unidentified		It was only for the salvation of Jesus Christ that my life was turned around.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But that's shown for you.
unidentified		Well, see, that's the thing.
unidentified		But the Bible, see, is the Word of God.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, but listen, folks, but what's this?
unidentified		We can't go around making up our own things, you know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But wait, wait, wait, wait, John.
unidentified		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The Bible is constructed of 66 books in one place, which is the Protestant position, and 72 books in the Catholic position.
unidentified		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It came about in the Edict of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in Constantinople.
		Right.
		There were 1,000 manuscripts, and there were about 800 theologians who came together and who voted on what books went into the Bible and what of the other, the 72, 66.
		There were another 1,000 manuscripts or books that could have been put into the Bible, and they were voted on.
		Right.
		Now, this is documented.
unidentified		I agree that a lot of things were changed by man.
unidentified		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, no, not saying that they were changed by man.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm not taken away by man.
unidentified		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Because what I'm trying to say is that the blood of Jesus Christ and the symbolic nature of that spirit through the Christ consciousness, through the consciousness that is the Christ that changed your life.
unidentified		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I support that with all my heart and my soul.
unidentified		No, it was Jesus Christ himself.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, it was a bolt of lightning.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, that's what killed you, I guess, right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		See, for me, it was a bolt of lightning.
		Right.
		And what that bolt of lightning did...
unidentified		I tell you, sir, there is a hell.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		...it brought me to do hospice work.
unidentified		There really is a hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There you go.
		There really is a hell, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, let me tell you from a personal side.
		If I had a God that had saved my soul, and there was an enemy of that God, and they call that enemy Satan, and that enemy is in hell, then I would look forward to going to hell.
		Because if my God, who had saved my soul, had an enemy, and wherever that enemy was, I, in my tradition, my tradition, would engage the enemy of that God.
		So if there is a hell, I will look forward to that day, because then I get to engage the enemy of my God.
		But I believe, just a little different from that, but nonetheless, we all have our rights to believe in our own way.
		And I am glad that God, in whatever method that God chose, or Spirit chose to enter your life, Sean, I am glad for the change.
		For me, it was a bolt of lightning that killed me.
		So, born again in the symbolic nature of where you are, I'm born again.
		For me, born again.
		My religion is hospice work.
		I sit and be with people as they prepare to make their transition from this world to the next one.
		And wherever two or more gathered in thy name, so shall thou be among us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that must be a hard work.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is the most rewarding work that I can find to do, because if I have been through this, I've been through this.
		gone through it I'm not afraid of death I know the wonders and the glories of it and if I have been through this and I wasn't out here every day writing books about it and talking about it and then lecturing about it trying to help those of us born between 1940 and 1964 deal with that loss then who am I so for Sean the Bible is a great book but the spiritual advancement and The growth,
		each of us determine our own way.
		And yeah, there's a hell.
		It's a hell when you have to face yourself knowing what you are capable of doing and then not doing it, which is something we all change and face each day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		All right.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, and thank you so much for the work you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I appreciate your ventilating some of these issues with some sunlight.
unidentified		There is, I'm Adam, I'm from LA, KABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Adam.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Very briefly, if you'll permit me, there's kind of a basic issue confronting the KABC listeners where we're missing your first hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And today I talked to some people at KABC, and if you'll permit me, I have the name and the business address of the program director.
		They say they respond to input.
		What they're talking about doing right now is time shifting your program.
		So we'll hear it from the beginning, but we won't be able to call in.
		Can I give the name and address?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll call them right now.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Is that okay if you are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
		It's either at KABC.
		Program director is either Dave Cook or Andrew Ludlam.
		The business number is 310-840-4900.
		And the P.O. box is 790 Los Angeles 90016.
		And on your last call, I don't want to get into quoting scripture, but I found Isaiah 45-7 real interesting, where he basically says, I am the Lord of the light and of the darkness.
		I create the whole show.
		And I found the gospel according to Thomas in the Coptic work very, very illuminating.
		Yeah, and the worker George Lawson.
		But I want to thank you again so much for what you're doing.
		God bless you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, Eli.
		Thank you very much.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You have such wonderful people who listen to your show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do.
		There's absolutely no question about it.
		They are a very special group.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks for letting me be a part of our Art Bell family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nighttime people, for some reason, Danion, are different.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They're wondrous.
		I mean, they're wondrous.
		They're hopeful.
		They are spiritually inclined, and they're not afraid to deal with the issues, and they're not afraid to look at it and try to understand it.
		And they do it in a very gracious way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything you're afraid of anymore?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid of failing myself.
		There's nothing else that you would fear.
		And why?
		Remember, when you come to face your life and your panoramic life review, the system of judgment is this.
		If God couldn't come today and God sent you, what difference has God made?
		If Spirit couldn't be here today and Spirit sent you, what difference has Spirit made?
		Not what you did.
		Not you personally.
		You don't really come up as an issue until the second or third time that you look at your life past before you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		All right, Daniel, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour, and we will be right back.
		I'm Art Bell, and you're listening to the American CBC Radio Network.
unidentified		Well, I think it's time to get ready.
		To realize just what I have found I have no less care of what I am I have no
		less care of what I am Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		My guest is Danion Brinkley, and he'll be back in a flash.
		you Back now to Danion Brinkley.
		Danion, I'm not going to...
		I'm not going to give you the easy faxes.
		There are many, many friendly faxes coming in.
		I'm going to give you the tough ones.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Get me with the best shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
		Here comes one.
		Dear Art, I'm afraid I must take intellectual exception to your guest.
		He can drop a lot of names.
		He can unequivocally state that he does not agree with established traditional knowledge.
		He can knock and mock established religion while espousing the cult of Casey and others, but the truth of his words is he hasn't really said a thing.
		No proofs, no facts, no evidence, no major new revelation that does not require a gigantic leap from established knowledge.
		Nothing.
		That's Bill in Abert.
unidentified		It's Abbotsford, B.C. Hi, Bill.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That's true, except that I said in the next couple of years, this will all come to pass.
		I wrote Saved by the Light and At Peace in the Light, and I laid down very specifically every issue that I dealt with for 21 years.
		And what this discussion is about is opening up a forum for people to look at these issues, to search them out, to ask specific questions.
		So the leap of faith that it takes is to just read the books, look at the issues, and stay current.
		And I'm not an avid believer in Casey or any of the other people who make these kinds of predictions or who say this kind of stuff.
		But what happens when someone who would lay down and go to sleep, who was a fundamentalist Christian, when he woke up, everybody's eyes were big as salsas, and he died 50 years ago, but what he said in the 30s happens to be proven to be true.
		That is a leap of faith.
		John Anthony West, doing geology research, has discovered that by the way the structures of the sinks are, that it was water damage, not wind damage, and that it had to be 12,000 years old instead of 4,500 years old if that theory is followed.
		And a guy named Edgar Casey said it 50 years ago.
		But he also said it in a trance that he doesn't remember a single word, that it would be also the point of where the recognization and the return of the Christ consciousness would be in place.
		Well, 50 years later, that research is documented by geologists.
		And no matter where it came from, if that Sphinx is that age, then also within the context of that is a spiritual place about the coming of Christ.
		I am talking about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But our earthly disagreements are so severe that people like Hawass have said things about their enemies, John, Anthony, others, that he would like to see them, I believe, beheaded, thrown into a pit, and defecated upon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're not much in agreement here on earth about all of this, are we?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, but one thing is for sure.
		The time is where we will have to deal with it.
		And remember this, too, Art.
		I'm listening to all sides.
		Okay, I didn't come to bring about revelations of the world.
		I came to tell what happened to Daniel Brinkley.
		And if you're losing your mom and your dad, I write books about how to deal with that.
		But I can't help the fact that I had this vision, and I lay it out in detail, and it's a 21-year-old story, and it's documented so thoroughly over the last 21 years by people who have come to disprove it, do whatever it is they want to do, but you can't argue with that fact.
		The fact is that we're all in a place to feel where our listener is.
		We're all there.
		So I think the next great revelation is the fact that we're all looking at this, dealing with this, and trying to find the real answers so we can make the best decisions that we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, why do you think so many people who have near-death experiences, go right to the edge or even beyond, are given an opportunity to see things that will happen?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's this, Art.
		We are spiritual beings in a physical life.
		I think that what happens to me, and a lot of people like me, because I've met a lot of Daniel Brinkleys who have glimpsed some era or some point of the future, because it happens in a different concept.
		We are such linear thinking beings when it's not that way.
		We are the future.
		We decide.
		Our past is already in place.
		Our present is right now, but it will determine our future and how we understand the issues that affect us in our lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, it is so threatening for people to think that all they believe or have faith in might be wrong.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, they ought to try 180,000 votes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They ought to talk on the telephone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have the Daniel long course and I have the Daniel short course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The Daniel long course is listen, read the books, and then when I'm on our show, call me up, fax me, threaten me, do whatever you want to do, because that's what I'm here for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's do more of it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing.
		It's 702-727-1295.
		Okay, Jim.
		Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
		The only thing we don't do here is allow you to give your last name on.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		Let us begin anew here.
		Your name is Jim?
unidentified		Jim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are you, Jim?
unidentified		San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fire off.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is the first time caller, but I'm trying to order a radio, and that 800 number isn't working.
		Do you have a number of people?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, no, they're doing it two days in a row, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, the number will not be active until 7.30 in the morning.
unidentified		I called at 7.30 the last two mornings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because of the flood.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the West, it's been out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But as of this morning at 7.30, it'll be all restored, so call them.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, it's a good time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's a good thing you waited because you get $5 off today.
unidentified		Oh, it's 1.04?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Oh, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, well, you have a good evening.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad I could bring you the good evening.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Great art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, they had a whole room full of people, you know, who answer phones there, and they were dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just dead all day long.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But I'm going to order the radio myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the best one I've ever seen.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm ordering it.
		I mean, I don't have any problems about it.
		I've been through an Art Bell situation.
		All those people, when I told everybody that if they want, remember when I told everybody if they wanted to buy my book and I just happened to say it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, thousands and thousands and thousands of people wrote me and sent me checks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you got buried.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, think of this, Art.
		And I'll do it again.
		You know, I'm better organized now.
		If they want to buy my book, they can write me and send me whatever it was, the $15.
		But, Art, today, I got a letter.
		I don't know when that show was.
		I got a letter from a person who had received a tape of that show in England, who had sent it to a friend in Scotland, who had sent it to a friend in South Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I got a letter.
		Now, this is like a year ago, right?
		Eight months ago or something.
		I got a letter that said, Art Bell is wonderful from South Africa that had gone through four people listening to your tapes and your shows.
		You are impacting, and you are making a tremendous difference in this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are heard pretty much worldwide now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not pretty much.
		From Indiana to England, England to Scotland, Scotland to South Africa.
		And along the way, I get letters that says Art Bell is wonderful from tapes that people record of your shows and send to their friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Danion.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Danian Brinkley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, Danion.
		I had called Art before and I told him I had an out-of-body experience where a priest from ancient Egypt told me I was Khufu's daughter.
		And I went to Egypt, and it seemed like everyone from Cairo to Oswan knew who I was.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be a point where reincarnation really comes to be a factor where we're studying.
unidentified		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So I would make sure that if I was going to Egypt, I would go with Art Bell on October the 1st.
unidentified		Well, I've been over there.
unidentified		I was initiated in the pyramid.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Which when?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		What period of time?
unidentified		I was there just prior to 1980.
		Okay.
		But the pyramid was designed by the cousin of Kufu.
		And Khufu actually means the Christ Spirit.
		The name Kaku is like shining on a ball of light that's in your body.
		How can I explain this?
		His cousin, Hemayuni, designed the pyramid.
		But something happened to him in the course of the building of it, and it was redesigned by Jedif Rey, the pharaoh that reigned after Kuku.
		I was at that time, Marisa Enk was betrothed to Jedif Rey, who ruled Upper Egypt.
		That is the ruler.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Which is ruling Lower Egypt, which is Southern Egypt.
unidentified		Yeah, Lower Egypt, which is Upper.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Upper Egypt, which is Southern Egypt.
unidentified		I mean, which is Southern Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do you have a question, sir?
unidentified		I wanted to say I remember some things about underneath the Sphinx.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I was just underneath the Sphinx.
unidentified		What did you see there?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I saw a series of chambers that I know that begin to open up into other chambers.
		I mean, they're beginning the excavation, but there are other chambers.
		It is as though as that they decided to stop exploring that part in order to...
		Why?
		Because the Sphinx is crumbling.
		And they had to either take the money for the repair of the Sphinx or take the money to go under and excavate it.
		And there are so many...
		And when you get to look at the financial situation and you listen to the conversation and you stand there watching them try to keep the thing from crumbling apart, and you look at what the opportunities are underneath it, then you come to find a middle ground.
		So there are the chambers under this things.
		Then the ones that I saw are just small rooms, but it's there, and I know it will open up to other rooms because of some of the geological and seismographic research that I've just seen that people have been sending me.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But when they finally are opened, Danion, I question whether the information they find, if that's what they find, will be shared with the world.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll ensure the fact that Art Bell will be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that'll help.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Wait a second.
		I'm working on that.
		I just got, you know, I will call and put that in a position.
		Because look, Art, I have those same kinds of thoughts.
		But mine are not against Zahi Hawaf and the Egyptian government and the plateau.
		Mine are against the fundamentalist or the radicals or the terrorists or whatever in any religion.
		This happens to be Islamic.
		We have fundamentalist radical Christians.
		I think that that is the greatest threat to the issue more than any of these other people or these other events because I just came from there.
		I look at the intelligence.
		I read the opposition newspapers and I see what they say about John and what they say about Graham and what they say and what they say about Dr. Hawaii.
		I mean, I have just only begun to meet and know these people.
		We, as a conscious, everyday group of people, better worry more about that because if we create situations with the interaction between all parties that seeds this fundamentalist desire, then whatever happens if they seize the government or they overthrow the government like it's happening all over the Middle East, none of us will ever get a right to know.
		It'll be stopped.
		So what we have to do, we have to start thinking and focusing in a way that we as spiritually minded people, in an everyday life, figure out how we can negotiate a place where all those decisions are left open and everyone can decide who's right and who's wrong or how best to handle it.
		Because if we don't, that part of the world will be closed off from us.
		And we will never get to see it, just like China and Tibet.
		We'll never get to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say to Mr. Hawass that what he lords over at the moment, in terms of the power he has about what goes on at Giza, does not belong to him, nor even Egypt, but to the world, dare you say something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you did, how did he respond?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		He said that he believed that.
		That the antiquities of the past belong to the world.
		It's not just Egypt.
		I mean, he said that.
		I asked him, you know, because I ask him a lot of the questions and I hear everybody.
		I didn't get a vicious response.
		I got a response that he believed that.
		That Egypt is the protector of it.
		They protect it as well as they try to protect their cultural history.
		But yet they discover new things every day.
		And the way he came across to me was he believes that whatever's there, he just hasn't, he doesn't believe this stuff because he's a trained archaeologist and trained Egyptologist.
		He doesn't believe this.
		But he is not closed off to it.
		That if it's there, then it's a treasure that's The world.
		What he has to deal with is all the issues and all the things that go on with all the other discoveries and digs and things that go on like that.
		But I have never heard him in my talk conversations with him and my interviews with him or with John Anthony West and with Graham Hancock or any of the other participants.
		Everyone has a valid position.
		There is no question.
		I don't see, I see each say some of the same things about each other, and yet I don't find any of these people bad.
		I find them in a place where each have valid issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to the phones.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Daniel.
		Hey.
		I wanted to ask, who are you about his hospice work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm on I-30 between almost Texarkana right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Texarkana.
		All right.
		What is your first name?
unidentified		My name is Mitch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Mitch.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mitch.
unidentified		I wanted to ask him during his hospice work if he had ever had any of his friends have any near-death experiences, and if he did, if he could share that with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is a good question.
		Danion, what about that?
		You've worked with so many dying people.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Probably 40 people have had near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		40?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, I've been with people who've been resuscitated five times.
		I've heard stories.
		You know, Say By the Light and that Peace in the Light so millions of copies, and there are pretty, like Raymond said, it's one of the most detailed near-death experiences and that and there and there.
		I've talked to people who have been resuscitated four and five times who have stories that make mine sound like child's play.
		If a person wants to really understand that they don't die so they can really begin to live and explore, then become a hospice volunteer.
		Because you will sit with someone in their final days, facing their own spiritual self, their own mental self, and they will have conversations with you that you will know will be the truth.
		What gives me such confidence that I can say boldly, and I'll say it again, the near-death experience affords the greatest opportunity to understand how you as a spiritual being leaves this world.
		I hope that the books that I write help reinforce that and give people insights into techniques to deal with the loss of their moms and dads, brothers and sisters, and to understand it from a very calm and wondrous place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, remind me of the deal that you offered that book deal the last time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, if someone wrote me a letter to the address and they wanted to buy hard copies of my book, say by the Lightning at Peace and Light, because I have all the hard copies and I don't have, you know, I have only X amount left, that if they sent me, I think it was $15, but I've learned a hard lesson.
		If they send me $16.24 per book, I will get that book to them as rapidly as possible and a lot more efficient than I did the last time.
		But I never realized that so many people loved you, Art and listened to you and sought to understand stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Daniel, you sold millions of books.
		It's not just me, it's your books.
		This is a subject of very, very intense interest to everybody.
		It is the ultimate question for all of us.
		And you've been there.
		That's why.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twice.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So I come back and I try to help us deal with it.
		But you know what?
		If anybody sends me that money and I will send, and they write their name, I will sign it in my own handwriting.
		I will autograph that book to them and I'll send it back.
		And I would beg them to read it and then to take what they learned from that book and apply it to their everyday life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this applies to Saved by the Light and at Peace and at Peace and the Light?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Autograph.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		In audio or in book form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Autograph copies, huh?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, wait a minute.
		We're short on time.
		$16.24, and what is the address?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Post Office Box 1919.
		Aiken, A-I-K-E-N, South Carolina, 29802.
		And please write on the envelope.
		Art Bell is wonderful.
		Come on.
		Because that's how I can, I get, I get, you know, Art, I've received over 58,000 letters, and people write and say what the books have done to help them deal with the loss of their moms and dads.
		And I just heard the other day that the television movie was being used in halfway houses for teenage kids and that it's been one of the most significantly changing the attitudes of those kids of any other social system that they've tried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Daniel, we've got a million people calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you afford to stay around another hour and answer questions?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Daniel Brinkley is my guest, and he will be back in a moment, or a few moments, actually, as we endeavor to find out what's going on in this world of ours.
		Ever-changing, ever-surprising.
		I'm Art Bell, and from the high deserts, still dry at this moment in the South, this is the American CBC Radio Network.
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		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255 1-800-618-8255.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I suspect we're all headed back to where we started from.
		And it probably has something to do with love.
		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		All right, and it's coming up.
unidentified		We've got to get right back to where we started.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and my guest is Daniel Brinkley, and he'll be right back.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Daniel Brinkley, who somehow is holding up back there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm having a great time, Art.
		You know, it's always nice to visit with you and your people.
		Could I make a statement about your first commercial you were talking about, about the change in the currency?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you may.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That is absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It will happen in the next six months from now.
		We will move into an economic situation.
		This is in Saved by the Light, reinforced in at Peace and the Light.
		And this is the kind of stuff that I'm not always off into because I deal with death and dying.
		But if anyone can die $1-800 and order that copy of that bill and they don't do it, they're dumb.
		This will all start happening now.
		In a couple of weeks from now, the DAO will drop.
		What's going to happen is we lose our Treasury bond position because of the upswing or the downswing in the economy.
		The stock market will begin to change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And they have to issue these currencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it has to be in place and go I watched really carefully this last campaign.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't there a joke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A joke is the right word.
		They argued about absolutely when there are momentous things that are ahead they could have discussed, debated, or at least made the American people aware of.
		They argued minutiae, baloney.
		On both sides, though, are on both sides, Daniel.
		I agree with you.
		I absolutely agree with you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They'll never balance the budget.
		We're going to move into an economic situation, and categorically, it's what they'll write about.
		I mean, I can't stand the fact that it is, and yet that I do love it.
		Because everyone, the stock market will begin to collapse.
		When Bill Clinton goes on television, this is the first time he will go on television and say the market's unstable, and they're making every effort with Treasury Secretary Rubin.
		They're making every effort to stabilize it.
		Don't worry about it.
		And then there'll be a boomward upward again, another bull market.
		And then it'll probably collapse.
		It'll probably drop 2,000 or 3,000 points and get back to where it's supposed to be.
		What that would do is wipe out the position of the middle class, just like the SNL did.
		And what's so funny is that this time around, Art, I have no doubt that we, the people who listen to your show and the people who are talking and who are not afraid of looking at these issues, we won't stand for it.
		The same as Medicaid and Medicare.
		There is no Social Security money.
		There is no Medicaid in Medicare.
		Do you realize that a bill went into law today, I mean yesterday, New Year's Day, that they cut millions of people off from getting a check, which is a socialist deal, FSI, Social Security dependence or something, because of alcoholism or drug-related disabilities.
		So that means within five months from now, the murder rate, the drug problems, the robbery problems, the burglary problems are all going to increase 100 fold and literally destabilize our economy.
		And it's going to happen, okay, because we just cut the money off without looking at the issues in the programs.
		Well, that's a part of us and religions, institutions, and governments really changing.
		And what I think that is really important about the people who advertise on your show, and I'm going to say it again, is they're smart and they realize that us all matters, we realize it too.
		I don't think that they'll win.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's an emotional reaction, Danion.
		You know, when people talk to me about people on SSI who are drug addicts or alcoholics, I too, the hard-nosed part of me says, why the hell should my tax dollars go to support them?
		That doesn't mean that I don't believe what you're saying.
		You cut them off cold turkey, and they're not going to go start flipping burgers.
		They're going to go start hitting heads.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And the bill was passed.
		It's now law.
		That means next month they don't get a check.
		So three months from now or four months from now, we will see such a movement in the cultural structure of this country.
		Just think about that.
		I don't disagree with this country that something's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Danielle, there's a quickening going on.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, and that's the most wondrous part about it.
		While we were discussing the things that are stealing in Egypt and what we're looking at in Bosnia and now that the church has sided, the Christian church has sided with Serbia.
		I mean, now it's a church issue where the Bosnian Muslim and the Bosnian Serb issue now is being polarized by the issues of the church.
		The church has now entered into it, which, you know, I write about that stuff and we talk about it all the time.
		But we are in the quickening.
		We are in the change.
		Thanks to Art Bell and the people who sponsor him, it allows all of us to listen and to be able to take it in, form our own opinions about it, but at least to be aware.
		Because what happens on top of that, we find out that our whole cultural and religious history is different.
		We look at Israel where the Hebron issue, all these issues that are coming about, these are the issues that in the 3,000th year celebration of Jerusalem, in the third millennium of Christianity, in the coming of a new millennium, in events and eras that are coming about, we must be informed.
		My specialty is death and dying.
		I find myself in dealing with issues like Egypt and Dr. Hawas and with John and with Gordon and with Graham and with all these things that come about.
		But what's so wonderful about it is that We can talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can, indeed, and we better, because there's people waiting.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dick in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dick.
unidentified		Daniel?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dick.
unidentified		How you doing?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good, guy.
unidentified		You had mentioned something about reincarnation that you weren't sure whether you believed in it or not.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Is that correct?
		Yeah.
		A lot of what you say reinforces reincarnation.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
unidentified		Yeah, and you talk a lot about actually cause and effect and a person's karma and setting up their next lifetimes.
		Because when you're looking at that movie you're talking about of your life, it's kind of setting up how you're going to be reborn back into the next lifetime.
		This is what I believe.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, I believe a lot of because I listen to people, Brian, and just the people who talk about it.
		And I listen to them and what they say.
		And all of a sudden I realize that there's a lot more to this world and who we are as spiritual beings, our options that come to this world.
		Now, I myself don't believe a lot of the karmic relationship of the Eastern philosophy of reincarnation.
		But I believe as a personal place, just as Damian Brinkley, that it makes more sense than any other theory I've heard before now that we choose to come here and are chosen to come here, that I know.
		We come per breath.
		We breathe in for ourselves and out for spirituality.
unidentified		Well, if we've chosen to come here, then why don't you think that we've already been here before?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to agree with Daniel and challenge you a little bit, Color.
		I too think that reincarnation seems to make sense, sort of.
		But when you get to the karmic side of it, Yeah, why in the world, for example, should an intelligent, good human being, or innocent, even a child, pay karmically for something that has been done in a previous life of which this person has no conscious recollection?
		That doesn't seem cosmically fair.
unidentified		It's very difficult to understand, but if a person has done wrong things, in other words, have done, I believe that if you've done good causes in your lifetime, you're going to get good effects.
unidentified		However, if you've done bad causes in your lifetime, then you're going to get the opposite effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the good effects might not come until the next life, and you will have no conscious recollection of why good stuff is happening to you.
unidentified		This is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it just, you know, I'm sorry, it just sort of never clicked for me.
		I appreciate your call.
		So in a way, I guess I agree with you, Daniel.
		It never quite made sense.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just don't understand it, but the possibilities of its existence is what is so wondrous about being able to talk about it.
		We are grown men.
		We live in everyday life.
		Most people are working hard tonight, or they're up paying attention or worrying about something.
		But we are not afraid to talk about it.
		We're not afraid to face it, not afraid to look at it, and to try to put it in our lives as a concept.
		Here's a person who believes in this issue, and yet he can listen to me talk, who doesn't believe so much because I don't know.
		But yet, the things that I talk about and the synchronicity or the commonality of it reinforces a belief system for him.
		I think that that's what it does for all of us, like all of us listening tonight and me getting to listen and grow too.
		I get to hear more and more and more.
		And as we do that, we begin to change and alter our own perspectives of reality.
		And I think that's the great part about Art Bell.
		I mean, I think that's the great part about that this show exists, that this is a forum where you can speak openly, you can search an issue out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is that, yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And you can make a decision about it on your own based on information and conversation, not agitation, aggravation, or confrontation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Although I personally like those last three.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They're like my favorite paragraph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I don't do is seek them out just for the sake of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they occur naturally, fine.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I periodically seek them out just for the sake of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hey, who's this?
unidentified		This is Bill from Dallas, Texas.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		Listen, I loved your books.
		Your TV movie was great.
		I've seen it like three times, showed it to all my friends.
		Wow.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks a lot.
unidentified		Of the prophecies you were shown by the light beams, yeah, what is the last one to have been fulfilled and what is the next one you see happening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the very last one was the Israeli-Palestinian Accord situation and how dealing with what happens in Israel and Israel becoming the center focus of the world again, at that point we would begin to watch what happens in Jerusalem and that Jerusalem would become the key issue of the settlement or the war in the Middle East.
		That's what's happening now.
		Okay, I said that Jordan would disappear and that there would be a new state created, that Jordan would disappear, and the West Bank happens to be a part of Jordan for the last 4,000 years, and that 66% of the population of Jordan is Palestinian, and they're creating a state.
		I also described that there would be a uniformed military army or police that would come about, and even to the uniforms they wear of the Palestinian Guard, that's come about.
		That the issues of dealing with how Hebron and how the city of Jerusalem is decided, the next thing that should happen.
		So that if that is true, then the next thing that should happen is that we'll enter a place in Jerusalem where it's almost a war, where the Israeli government is seizing East Jerusalem and Arab territory as fast as they can, extending the settlements.
		What will happen is that it will go to the point of war and that one of the churches, either the Holy Roman Catholic Church or the Pope or the Eastern Orthodox Church would come in and help negotiate a settlement on the Jerusalem issue.
		The fact that Arafat is now in discussion with the Pope, and the fact that there are now Orthodox religious groups which are now beginning to negotiate to help create this settlement, that the next thing would be to watch for a papacy.
		That literally Jerusalem would become a place that would be governed by a body.
		For Israel to give up that right, it would have to be probably the most horrendous thing to occur.
		And most people say, Daniel, that's the dumbest thing you've ever said.
		But the fact that I watched it for 21 years, and this was something I saw when I was dead, I'm not Nostradamus, that would be the next point.
		The next other point we must watch for, that we must watch what happens in Bosnia.
		For now we have a religious where the church is now uniting.
		And I've been saying this for years, but I've been saying it over and over for the last two years, that this is where World War I started in Sarajevo, the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
		This is where World War II started when the Croats helped the Germans occupy Austria.
		Well, guess what?
		This is a religious war.
		What's going to happen in the Anthony Lake hearings as the head and next director of the CIA, how they set up to funnel arms into the Bosnian position, that the Secretary of Defense for the Bosnian Muslim side is an Iranian.
		That's how it was Iranian weapons that came in.
		We'll start hearing the fact that World War III will begin almost in three places at the same time.
		And the issue is as we watch Israel, they will come about.
		What we have to do is be conscious enough to realize that this is what will occur if we don't actively participate in the world as we know it.
		We don't stand up and stand up for our issues and our rights.
		But that's the recent one, and that's the next one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go, Colin.
unidentified		Thank you.
		One heavy question.
		Well, not heavy one.
		One big question.
		How long, this is a big one.
		How long before you see a possible one-world government?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I would see it forming now.
		I would say that by the time the Clinton administration ends, which was probably two years more than four years, and the initiation of whoever, after whatever happens to Bill, comes about, it will be in place.
		So I would say that it is 75% in place now.
		When you look at the World Trade Organization, think of this.
		The World Trade Organization, which we are a member of, has just issued a ruling that rescinds our EPA, our environmental protection laws.
		The World Trade Organization just ruled against the United States and said that the United States had to import, I think it's Venezuelan oil and another country's oil, refined gasoline, which has a higher sulfur content than gasoline that we normally run under the EPA rules.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That the United States government right now and the Congress of the EPA, the Congress that passed the laws of the Clean Air Act now have to be rewritten and rescinded because the World Trade Organization says that we must buy this gas because that's what they decided as they hold this power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So already political subservience.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're fast closing to that.
		Now, should that be a frightening issue?
		Somewhat.
		But what also must it should it be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's two-edged.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It should be a spiritual place to understand that we chose to come here.
		We are here at this time so that we can make the right decision.
		Both spirit and ourselves, we choose to come here and we're chosen to come here.
		Both the spiritual world and ourselves believe that we're capable of maintaining, resisting, evolving, and changing what has been set in course long before we got here.
		I mean, that's like revelations and all of that business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art Bell.
		Best of love to you and your entire family and all your listening audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are you and where are you?
unidentified		This is Liza again from Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Liza.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		I was listening to and taking some notes into the actual when you were speaking in terms of Egypt, China, Utanta, Peru.
		And also you mentioned on the other side, you saw the different religions.
		You mentioned Buddhism, Judaism, and Christianity, but you didn't mention Hinduism.
		Was there a specific reason for that?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		I mean, Hinduism, what I was describing was that as each person deals with the beings of light, or that first encounter that they have in the near-death experience, it's what they name it.
		Okay, there could be Krishna.
		I have no problem about everyone in each different cultural, sociological order or religious perspective gives that name to the being of light.
		I didn't have a name.
		My Christian, my growing up and education didn't give me a way to name it, so I call it beings of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure it needs a name, Daniel.
		Hold on just a moment.
		There's a spirit up there.
		I think we all know that.
		Something up there.
		I'm not sure a name is required.
		Now that'll get me in trouble.
		I'm Mark Mellon.
unidentified		This is CBC.
		Art bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702, 727, 1295, at 702, 727, 1295.
		First time callers can reach our bell at 702, 727, 1222.
		702, 727, 1222.
		Now, here again, our bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		All right.
		Danion, before we go back to the lines, I've got a personal question for you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This comes from Mark, and he says, one quick question.
		As I began listening this evening in the third hour, I'm not certain if this question has been asked, but how is Danion's health?
		I've received several negative reports of his condition, and I'm concerned the man is a true icon, and they're worried.
		Sign, Mark.
		Are you okay?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm doing fair.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you go through all that I've been through in my life, you have ups and downs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I have ups and downs.
		And yes, I'm going through one of those ups.
		I mean, one of those downs.
		But I will survive as long as necessary to get the issues that I deal with done.
		And to all those people who really do care, I mean, the things, the people who write me and help me out, that when you said it has to do with love, it's that love that sustains me.
		And I'm having a little down period, so I would appreciate those people who think about me.
		But I'm strong in my spirit, dedicated in what I'm doing.
		I try to stay as honest and as open as I can with as many people as I can in the lecture tours and the stuff that I do.
		And as long as I keep that in focus, the aches and pains that come with maybe leaving this world a little more rapidly than most of us, I can deal with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So just thanks, Mark.
unidentified		First.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks to everybody else that thinks about me, that worries about me, that sends me their prayers, and surrounds me with light.
unidentified		I appreciate it because that's how I keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Daniel.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Sun Spirit calling from Boulder, Colorado.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sun Spirit.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I have a question that I think you may have skirted the answer a little bit before you went to commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, pin him down.
unidentified		It has to do with those of us that know we're consciously here in terms of shining the light.
		And I think we're all here doing that in a variety of ways.
		How much attention do we need to pay to the physical changes and the things that we've talked about tonight that will be unfolding and that are unfolding?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it is a fair question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are going to be large physical changes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Mental and spiritual changes also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		We should keep it all in perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but for the sake of this question, let's concentrate on the physical changes that are coming.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is the value that you give to the place that you are as those changes come about.
		Because each of us are where we are supposed to be, or we will find that place.
		I give it very little value.
		I mean, I pay attention to my inner spiritual growth and the dynamic of understanding that.
		So in physical life, I don't pay as much attention to it as a lot of people who are worried about whether they should live in California or whether the earth is going to split or whether it'll be sink or that the polar shift will come.
		Each of us individually knows how much we should focus on that because of being where we should be at that right time.
		I personally, if I had a choice, I would like to be at ground zero when whatever happens, happens.
		I mean, whatever goes on.
		What will probably happen is by some dumb luck or by the fact that they keep sending me back, I'll probably be at the safest place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll probably have another NDE.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, and then if they have books, then I'll write one, and then I'll have to worry about that part.
		But the key is this.
		There are a lot of tremendous changes going to happen physiologically which will affect us in our mental-physical attitude.
		It isn't really physically the issues we deal with.
		It's our mental physical attitude which creates our emotional perspective to what we deal with.
		That will be changed, shook, rattled, and transformed over the next five or six years in ways no one can comprehend.
		But knowing to find that center place, that quiet spiritual place inside of you, and to let it guide you to where you're supposed to be regardless of what the issue is, and then I think that that's the most that I think that we should focus on the physical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, Daniel.
		That's fine.
		We'll leave it there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Vicki.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Vicki.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Vicki.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm calling from Ground Zero.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		All right, my good.
unidentified		We're all from Ground Zero.
		And I just want to say it's a real pleasure to hear your voice.
		I think it's really calming and soothing my rattled nerves.
		I just want to tell you that I love you a whole lot.
		Well, thanks very much, Vicki.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, thanks, because I'm trying to be that.
		I'm trying to be that person that's gone through a lot of things, that as even as we skip around and bounce around on subjects and topics, because Art lets me be on his show pretty often so it can go that way.
		And I'm glad that in this southern old country boy, you find a place that's communist and soothing.
		And that's who I'm trying to be.
unidentified		Yeah, I really do.
		I think you're just a real wonderful person.
		I have a question.
		You were talking about Israel.
		There's a man named Gershon Solomon.
		He's a descendant of King Solomon in Israel.
		He's been trying to build this third Jewish temple for years now.
		He got a special vision from angels, he says.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		To rebuild the Temple of Solomon?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Uh-huh.
		And he's head of a committee over there.
		He's a well-known man in Israel.
		Do you know anything about a third Jewish temple?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know this, that one of the most frightening parts that will come about in that was a vision of two tunnels.
		When I write in my books, I don't put everything in it, but because I don't want to add to it.
		I believe that if you add to a mindset, then it becomes a physical reality and then it exists.
		I'd rather kind of outline those things and hope I can change them.
		But there was a series of tunnels.
		But when we recently heard that the Israelis opened up a tunnel that was an archaeological site very near the sacred dome of the Islamic faith, that means there's also a tunnel that would be very near the old site of King Solomon of Solomon's temple,
		which in the heritage of Judaic Christian heritage, it means that that would be the period of the next coming or the true coming of Christ.
		Well, I would have to say that I would bet that the Palestinians are creating a mosque in a tunnel somewhere near that very site.
		So that will be an issue that will come about.
		I don't know this to be true, but I know it from the vision that I had that it's true.
		And that will be one of the most significant issues over the next three or four months in the history of our world, because it means that if it has a sacred site that's an Islamic temple, an Islamic mosque, that's on the same site of where Solomon's temple has to be rebuilt, then that will be the decisive factor for us to watch for.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that all eyes have to look towards Jerusalem now because it will probably be like the capital of the whole world.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the center of the perspective of the world.
		The capital of the world is in each of us's hearts.
		There's a lot of things in the books of Revelations and the teachers of Nostradamus and Malachi and Malarkey and a lot of the great prophets that say that.
		But the capital of the world is the heart and mind of each of us individually as spiritual beings and our attitude toward these things.
		And the more we know about them, the more we can express our support, love, and prayers to protect or stop these events.
		But yes, you're right.
		I mean, most of the philosophy of my life is based around that when Jerusalem becomes the center of attention of the world, we have come to the place in this period of evolution of our spiritual, mental, and physical selves that we must take stock,
		we must count our blessings, we must become hopeful, we must become faithful, and we must become loving toward each other so that we make it through this period of transition over the next six or seven years as the champions that we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Vicki.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, I'm convinced that in the next, this is going to be a very, 1997 is going to be a very, very interesting year.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
		1997 and 1998 are so pivotal.
		I wrote in my books that 1994 to 96 would be the years that the stage would be set.
		And I said this since 1975, Art.
		So I came out on the public theme.
		I've been around, you know, 46 years.
		But I came out on the public theme with as hard as I could go in early 93, and I will stay till 97, because I know that these are the times that we form our opinions, we look at our mental, physical, and spiritual selves in a world that will go physically, mentally, emotionally, in every kind of change, because it is a quickening.
		That my voice, and thanks, I'm really glad that Vicki said, that it's a calming voice, that just like dealing with the Egyptian issues, that it's a calming place, that I've lost fear of death, there's not enough, I've been through enough emotional pain and enough physical pain in my life in going through two near-death experiences.
		There's not a lot that frightens me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can tell that.
		I can feel that.
		I can hear that.
		I can sense that.
		It's obvious when one listens to you that you are at peace with what is to come.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I can deal with it in such a way that I hope I can bring a sensibility and a calmness to it, and that I can help negotiate issues in places among people who have emotional attachments to a lot of stuff.
		I mean, I die with families all the time, Art.
		153 people later, I'm around this all the time.
		It's my whole life.
		I know what it's like to be afraid.
		I know what it's like to face death.
		I know what it's like to die, to see the other side, and to come back.
		My life is dealing in hospice programs and helping my brothers and sisters and baby boomers deal with these issues.
		In the same course of that, I was born at night, but not last night.
		I'm not just some dummy.
		And I will deal with the things that I can help negotiate, which now I have your help in negotiating what I believe to be one of the most remarkable events that will come in the next two or three years, and this is in Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, it's coming, all right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, gentlemen.
unidentified		This is Will, listening to WDDY, Madison, Wisconsin.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		All right, Will.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have a question of Daniel, and if you both will kindly allow it, the question may need to be prefaced.
		Now, you must understand that I'm just an average fellow.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the club.
unidentified		Yeah, but I'm just like everybody else.
		I don't hear any pictures.
		I don't see any voices.
		You know, I don't have the experiences you've had.
		But I was lucky in one thing, or maybe two things.
		One, I was born deep in the wilderness near the Canadian border in the Superior National Forest of northeastern Minnesota.
		And within the continental United States, I think I can proudly say that I'm the only living American that can say he was born in a one-room log cabin.
		I was born in Depression 30s.
		And if you'll allow me to say it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I think Abraham Lincoln could say that also.
unidentified		My mother, when she was nine years old, she fell down on some ice and gangrene set in and ate away her nose.
		But I don't want anybody to feel sorry for her.
		She's dead now.
		But I kind of wondered.
		I went through a Lutheran Christian.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Heaven gained her.
unidentified		Hello?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Heaven gained her.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		She didn't die.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I went to a Lutheran Christian college and I used to be confronted with the question of why should a young lady, young girl, suffer?
		She had committed no sin.
		And I had some great Christian teachers, and I had Howard Hong, who's deceased now, who is the authority on Soren Kierkegaard.
		And he and others used to say, to believe is a matter of leap of faith.
		You can never prove if there's a life hereafter.
		And anyway, I finally came to the conclusion that there's millions, billions of us souls, and some child, you may wonder why they suffer, but they probably might be born again.
		Who knows?
		We really don't know the great answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arthur, do you have a question?
unidentified		Yeah, now my question, my preface is this.
		Arthur C. Clarke, I'm a world traveler, and I was watching television one time, and he mentioned that the channels, these openings in these pyramids, etc., the word for them is aoki.
		Now, I'm going to get to my question.
		And the lady, that aoki is a pheno-uralic word, means channel, opening.
		And the lady called in mentioned ku, bill of light, ball of light.
		That's the word for moon in fennourolic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to leave the line if you don't go ahead and answer your question.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My question is, have you met other spirits?
unidentified		Did they converse, and did you understand their conversation, their language, or at least some of their word sound?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		In other words, either in this lifetime or when I was on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The other side.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		When I was on the other side, I met a lot of spiritual beings, about 14 of them that I got to spend a little time around, and I understood every single concept and precept that they were trying to convey to me, as well as they, mine.
		It is not a conversational word or language.
		It is the spiritual communication between two entities, which is in concepts and precepts as opposed to deductive or inductive reasoning based on a logical nature, using words to symbolically represent what you emotionally feel or think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what manner did they appear to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the physical beings of light.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As beings of light.
unidentified		Continuously emanating fields of energy.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Every single one of us who are listening and who are not listening.
		We are in a physical body, but we are light beings.
		We exist in multi-dimensional colors that are so beautiful and so wondrous that when I saw him the first time, I was so amazed at the wonderment and the beauty of who we are as opposed to how we deal with ourselves in a physical form.
		Over there, we continuously emanate.
		We're radiant.
		We're wondrous in colors and pastels and hues and patterns.
		And it's our natural selves.
		Whereas here, we deal with a physical, simple body.
		I think that the nature of energy medicines like Qigong and the things that are happening in interactive auric field studies and that stuff really gives us a better perspective on who we are really as opposed to physically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there was no sense of the physical?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there was a sense of a physical, but it's a minute.
		Think of this as physical art.
		The basic physical component of the universe is an atom.
		An atom is basically hollow.
		If you look at an atom under a microscope, it's hollow.
		It's empty.
		But yet there is something that occupies that space, some very even more minute particles.
		So when you deal with looking at this side as opposed to the other side and looking at physical concepts, the basic physical component of this universe is an empty space called an atom.
		So when you say, yes, was it physical?
		I mean, was it physical, Daniel?
		Yes.
		Is an atom physical?
		Yes.
		Does it make up everything that creates molecules, that combine in molecules, that creates the densest concrete or steel in the universe?
		Yes.
		But what is its base component?
		Basically hollow with eight little shells around it.
		All right, pretty funny way to look at it, but still that's the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we can do it quickly before the top of the hour, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Beth from Washington.
		I want to agree.
		Hi, Daniel.
		I want to agree with Daniel and what you're doing, and thank you, too.
		Thank you.
		Like Daniel says, it is all about love.
		And Daniel, listening to you is wonderful.
		I had my NDE 14 years ago.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, sister.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		And like you, one of the most wonderful things about being able to come back is helping to take away the fear of the unknown of helping people to prepare and look forward to going back home.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And have as much fun here as you can possibly have.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know a lot of that at the Art Bell show, but the part I enjoy the most is that we are living in the most wondrous times.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The most wondrous, most interesting times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And we have a chance to interplay, interreact within the formation of a whole new era and understanding.
		Just like when we were talking earlier in Art and I with what's dealing with Egypt and all the people and what's going on.
		Now Art Bell is in the center of it.
		And here we have a chance and all his listeners have a chance to have an input if these halls of records are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, hold that thought.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Back now to Daniel Brinkley, who somehow is still with us.
		Your energy level must be higher than I thought.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It's just being around and talking to you, Art.
		And how much fun it is.
		And I know I'm probably one of your most boring interviews, but I appreciate everyone bearing with you on this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not boring at all.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How you doing there, Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		I just wanted to tell Daniel that I saw his movie here.
unidentified		This is Sean from Portland.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sean.
unidentified		And I just thought it was one of the most amazing things I've ever saw.
unidentified		And every time I hear that you're going to be on Art Bell, I turn it on and I stay up all night just to listen to you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Sean, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And could I ask you why you do that?
unidentified		I just, I don't know.
unidentified		I just got this weird feeling that it's just of enlightenment almost, you know?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That I'm going to try to tell the truth the best way that I know how to tell it and as honest as I know how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Does that help describe it in any way?
unidentified		Yeah.
		It's just weird.
		Hey, I got a question for you and Art Bell both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I was wondering, is there any time you guys are going to come to Portland where I can see a seminar or anything like that?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to make Art Bell start traveling with me on my tour so that we do shows together.
		But I have a schedule that I'm going to send to Art so that he can put it on his network about where I'll be and when I'll be.
		But I'm sure I'm in Portland this year.
		I know I'm in Seattle next month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're in Seattle.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		22nd I'm in Seattle and then Vancouver.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I know that's near Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So we'll, I've, of course, been to Portland once.
		I did book signing up there for my book.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		How come I never got a copy of your book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have a copy of my book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll cure that for you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Art, what a terrible person you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even know you didn't have a copy.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Ah, you think so little of me.
		Sean, I will be in Seattle, Portland, and I will make sure that I, at some point, bring Art Bell with me.
		This will be such fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be fun.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Daniel.
		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		Hi.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is?
unidentified		This is Sue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, huh?
unidentified		I'm in St. Charles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		St. Charles, okay.
unidentified		The thing that's getting me about this whole thing and has been as long as I've been listening to you, Art, with the quickening and Daniel, it's like you're creating more sheep just to accept whatever comes down on them.
		It seems like it's kind of a government thing to pacify people so they won't stand up and fight.
		I'm sure the powers that be don't give a darn about the quickening.
		As a matter of fact, they're creating it.
		They just created it for a bunch of people that have addictions and they're supposed to now snap their fingers and get over it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		I'm not trying to create sheep.
		I'm trying to put the information out there and try to put it in a context that we deal with our spiritual matters.
unidentified		Beings of light.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's the death part.
		I see that part, the phenotype.
		I'm talking about the life part.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, the life part?
unidentified		Yes, I'm looking at a United States Code Title 50 War and National Defense Chemical and Biological Warfare Program, use of human subjects for testing chemical and biological agents by the Department of Defense.
unidentified		You used to work for the government, right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I still, yes, I'm still a contractor.
unidentified		So I think you're just, you know, you're the pacification part of that program.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, think of it like this.
		A lot of times people say that how can you do both?
		Well, I look at it like this.
		If I came out on the outside, I would just be a person yelling and screaming and looking at all the horrors.
		On the inside, I get a chance to talk to the people who affect and make policy.
		It's not a government, so to speak, of just a lump category.
		It's individuals.
		It's people who got a job believing in services and trying to make a better America, who raise children, who are in college, who are now trying to deal with retirement.
		But they're the decision-making process.
		I'm not trying to pacify issues.
		I mean, I jump the government as readily and as quickly as anybody does, and I know a lot about it.
		And not only that, I will admit that I was once a part of that issue, the whole disclaimer, the whole pacifist position, and I don't deny that.
		But I am not that now.
		I'm in a place where by the grace of God and by stupidity and by a little luck that I am knowledgeable of the issues that go on both from a spiritual point from being stupid enough to talk on the phone during a lightning storm but spending 21 years in the intelligence apparatus of this country in various capacities.
		I am standing for the spiritual nature of ourselves.
		I am more interested in the quality of the issues of dealing with the loss of our moms and our dads, brothers and sisters, than I am in one-world governments and the conspiriologies and the natures of that.
		I will fight any place, anytime, health care, managed care, HMOs.
		I look at the new health care, Medicaid.
		I work with the National Institute for Health and I attack them.
		And so I don't think I'm a passive position in it.
		And if I appear to sound that way, then I'm sorry.
		But I mean, I'm not that.
		I'm just a guy who's from South Carolina, who grew up in America, born in 1950, who by a lot of accidents, not accidents, by a lot of things I had no control over, but by a lot of things I had control over, that I see and am capable of speaking out about them.
		And maybe I'm not quite as radical as I should be, but I do enough damage as I go along that, you know.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate whatever you do that way.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I get them good, but I am a part.
		I believe in working within a system to improve it.
		And as it passes away, I don't want to be one of those screaming voices in condemnation.
		I want to be a person that we can look at it, we can deal with it as grown, mature spiritual beings preparing for a coming of events that will move so fast and so quick that I'm thankful that I have a voice that I can stay very calm during it because I'm not afraid of dying.
		But I don't let the government off a minute.
		And I deal with them and I deal with issues and I will confront it.
		What I try to do is organize people like I'm an avid supporter of the Office of Alternative Medicine.
		And if anyone that really believes in trying to take issue with something, not what the government and the one world system is doing, healthcare is the place where the one world system, healthcare is the place where we will be put into the positions that we will make the choices and give away our freedoms because we want to take care of our mom and dad as Medicaid and Medicare passes away.
		I stand and fight there and have been doing that for 21 years.
		And I believe that the battle for the souls of men is in health care, not in some far distant land.
		And it's upon each of us because it's a personal place.
		So, I mean, I've loosened my grip on war and destruction and damage and began to focus on people in my generation, baby boomers.
		I write my books about just that.
		I got into this other stuff because I had a vision and the damn stuff keeps coming true and I keep finding myself in the middle of it all the time.
		But my part is that I want the quality of health care to be of a spiritual physical value.
		And I believe that alternative and compatible medicines are the key.
		And I believe that the National Institute for Health and the Office of Alternative Medicine is probably the most critical needed support system within the government or they will control it, take it away, disperse it, and destroy it.
		And I think that is the most evil thing because it doesn't care about our moms and our dads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, ma'am?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I just think that Danion's concerned with the middle class in America, the most affluent group probably in the whole world.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Baby builders, not the middle class.
unidentified		What about everybody else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is most of the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of the people.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		81 million Americans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is the majority.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not the majority art, but I believe that these are the people that I understand because I am one of them.
		The generation that's a little older than I am, I believe that we're in it too.
		I mean, I believe they're in it also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, when I said the majority, I meant the middle class is the majority.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, baby boomers is the majority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a lot of baby boomers.
		Yeah, but Daniel, they're part of the middle class.
		When I say middle class, I mean economic middle class.
		There are many more in this nation that are in the middle economically and socially than are on the fringes, that is to say, steeped in poverty or on the other end, stinking rich.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's only 1% the stinking rich, but I would go along with that.
		Well, I say this because this is the group of people I remember, I know who Clarabelle the Clown is.
		I saw Elvis on Ed Sova and the Beatles.
		And I know what we think about because I'm one of us.
		And I deal with the same things that we deal with, each of us, and yet through life experience, I have, you know, some experiences that gives me sometimes an advantage, sometimes a disadvantage.
		And my publishers always tell me, Daniel, stop saying that.
		Don't put you and categorize your books and what you talk about.
		But I don't listen to them either.
		I can talk to us, and that's who I'm interested in, because we are 81 million strong.
		We are able to vote.
		We're able to make qualified decisions.
		And we're in a place that the quality of health care of the people that we most love, like all our books are dedicated to baby boomers, to those of us as we face our own mortality, we must help those who we love and who have loved us face theirs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a question for you.
		Your books are a million sellers.
		So when you come on a program like mine and you offer, you know, to send people autographed books.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I only ever done that because it's Art Bell Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you really, really, really stick your neck out because I know I autographed, oh, I don't know, several thousand books, and it killed me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you got over 5,000 requests last time, you must have been signing books for a long, long time, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But you know what, Art?
		This is my pleasure because the people who listen to your show, I've only ever done this on your show, and I wouldn't do it on another show, but listen to the conversations.
		These are us.
		We're up at night.
		We're thinking.
		We're wondering.
		We're searching our souls and looking for answers.
		And it's my way of saying, hey, guys, this is what I can do, and I will put my personal.
		This is Daniel Blinkley speaking and trying to give of himself.
		I had to have all my neighbors, my friends, my parents, my brothers, my sisters, everybody in my house, and I signed every single one of those books, and I put my love around it, and I put my love around it.
		I held each one of them and I stamped them and stuck them together and I send them out but I do it because the people who listen to your show are me and that's serious work because I know your books are in all the bookstores distributed in the normal way so it's a very unusual offer it's what 16 bucks and something well 16.24 cost me a dollar 24 to send it to you and this is the hardback this is not paperback this is the hardback these are the hardback or
		say by the lighting at peace and the like all right and uh the address is the address is 16.24 in a check made out to danion brinkley right yes okay sent post office box 1919 aiken a-i-k-e-n 29 aiken south carolina 29802 and who to send it to but i want those the people who i never realized aren't so many people and the letters that i've gotten since people read them i mean the things that they've come back and
		I said how it helped them deal with the issues and that stuff.
		But I'm trying to touch us.
		I'm not so much trying to sell books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to touch us in a way that people can personally relate to Art Bell and Damian Brinkley when we're together and we're talking and to have something that I can give of myself that I sit and sign those books.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I was on the road 300 days last year, so I was a little late with some of them.
unidentified		300 days.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is my way of saying, hey, everybody, thanks for listening to the show.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		for letting me be a part and like the ladies he says hey look i've been here for three or four hours with you guys and it inspires them well that inspires me and it's just my way of saying hey everybody all right slow up you you talk very quickly danion give me the address slowly p.O.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Box 1919-1919.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Aiken.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		A-I-K-E-N.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		South Carolina.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		29802-802.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Please write on the envelope, Art Bell is wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They have to because I get 300 to 600 pieces of mail a week.
		I read every letter sent to me.
		I mean, I read it.
		I'm not an empire.
		I'm one guy.
		Somebody reads my books and writes me.
		I read them.
		And, you know, I'm probably 2,000 behind, but there's people who write and they want their books, and it's a way that I can pull those out.
		I can read them.
		I can autograph it.
		I can get it out to them.
		Because I'm like, out of the last 55 or 6,000 letters, I have 16,000 more to read.
		But anybody who doesn't buy a book, who writes me a letter, please don't write me an encyclopedia.
		Write me and talk to me and ask me questions, and I'll put you on my mailing list.
		And when something really important happens or moves, I'll send it out to you.
		But write to me.
		I mean, reach out to me as I'm trying to reach out to you.
		That way we can stay informing each other.
		And those people who read the books knows what I'm doing and my issues and who I am and what I try to stand for and how I try to represent us.
		And that's as honest and as straightforward as I can be.
		And I only do this on Art Bell Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
unidentified		Well, because after that, they can get it in the bookstore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		All right, you know, but my way of saying, hey, everybody, this is me.
		We're up together.
		We're looking and facing because we're listening to Art.
		We know what his issues are and they're the issues we're trying to deal with.
		And this is my way of saying, hey, as you reached out and touched me, I'm trying to reach out and touch you because we can collectively, as spiritual beings, in hours in the middle of the night, make decisions, form our thoughts, and move forward in changing the issues that are wrong in our eyes and supporting the things that we think are right in our eyes.
		We have accomplished this tonight.
		We've opened up a whole new way to look at what's going on with the Egyptian problem and the issues that are a lot of times on your show.
		We've incorporated your show and you into this to help try to create a forum that would present these issues so the world can decide.
		If this chamber is there, then the history of us, who we really are, and the ancients, whether it's extraterrestrials or Atlanteans, we're going to know that.
		And we're going to protect that.
		I think that's a monumental movement, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
		When we come back, I'm going to ask you exactly what you think it is.
		I understand you don't know for sure ancients.
		Is it us?
		Aliens?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who was here before we were here?
		Or was it us?
		We'll ask when we come back.
unidentified		We'll ask when we come back.
		Send your camera to bed.
		Shadows painting our faces.
		Traces.
		There's a romance in our hair.
		Heaven's holding our hair.
		Blue.
		Shining just for us.
		Let's slip off to a sand blue.
		Real soon.
		Kick up the little dots.
		Come on.
		Cactus is our friend.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Daniel Brinkley.
		You should know Daniel by his work.
		saved by the light at peace in the light than I believe him to be.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next week, I'm going to interview the only politician I can stand to talk to anymore, Harry Brown, who is a libertarian.
		Now, I don't utterly agree with Harry Brown, as many of you know, but he's got a lot to say about the recent marijuana issue.
		As a matter of fact, I think I want to talk to Daniel about that too.
		Danien?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, there's a strange thing that's gone on in California and Arizona.
		They voted, the voters of those states voted an initiative to allow the medicinal use of marijuana for people who are terminal.
		Now, there's controversy about it going beyond that, but people who are terminal with AIDS or cancer to be able to use marijuana if it helps them.
		The federal government just came down like a ton of bricks on these states and said, uh-uh, we will come in and enforce the laws.
		What do you think about that?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's the stupidest thing the federal government can do.
		Because once again, the government has decided because it passed some laws in 1937 that says a natural weed that grows everywhere in the world that has no medicinal value up until 1937 from the beginning of time to 1937, this product of this natural weed or plant, like every other plant or herb where most medicines come from, was used for certain things like glaucoma or blood pressure or nausea.
		And then all of a sudden in 1930s, after whenever they repealed prohibition, they outlawed it and made it a controlled substance.
		And I believe that if the government, because it's trying to keep in place whatever it thinks, I'm not a drug supporter or a, you know, I'm not, you know, into that, that's people's business.
		But when you, as a general in the Army, because you have a job and you're trying to perpetuate your little fiefdom called the DEA or the drug enforcement agencies, and you tell a doctor who has a patient who's puking and throwing up and chemotherapy and hair is falling out,
		then this doctor, I mean this general, ought to go through exactly what a patient is going through.
		When that doctor prescribes that, the doctor, a patient physician, and the physician who is trained knows more about what will help his patient find comfort and quiet health.
		And I deal with these issues in my palliative care all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you do.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Chemo.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So the day that a general who fights wars tells a doctor he'll put him in jail or take away his rights to prescribe something that that doctor feels is beneficial to his patient who is suffering, that will backfire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't do that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to create...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they had the pomposity to say the other day that from Washington, the voters of California and Arizona had to have been, quote, asleep at the switch, end quote, when they voted for such a thing.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm like you about politicians, and I'm glad.
		But you see, anything that's natural that grows, we have pharmaceutical companies that take drugs and they take a plant and they synthesize the active ingredient in that plant and then they sell it as a pill.
		Okay?
		Whereas that you can take a natural substance as a pill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which, by the way, is what they're defending.
		They're saying, look, we can synthesize these and indeed sell them to you.
		The people who are sick are saying, uh-uh, it doesn't have the same effect.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Of the natural substance that they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly correct.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I believe, this is what I believe.
		Because I'm a believer in compatible and alternative therapies because it's what helped me stay alive.
		And the day that the government, the FDA and the NIH and all the Codex system of the World Trade Organization, which is outlawing all that, they have forgotten.
		We are not stupid.
		I grew up in the 60s.
		A lot of my friends smoked pot and did that stuff.
		They're not crazy.
		They're not outraping.
		They got them jobs at banks.
		I see people in my AIDS patients that are smoking pot and they're not puking all over themselves.
		And they're able to converse with their families.
		And they're able to sit up in a chair.
		And if some general who just got him a job in Washington, D.C. can tell him he's going to come take a doctor's rights away, I'll bet you this, Art.
		Doctors will prescribe it because they have a right as physicians in the Hippocratic Oath, as much as I dislike so many of them, they have the obligation to their patient to suffer whatever consequences.
		And I believe that we have begun a place that will people will react.
		Another point, too, that so many people who grew up in the 50s and 60s and 70s who were business people, they know what marijuana is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And it's not some horrendous drug that causes you to go blind and make you rape and rob.
		It's not heroin or stuff like that.
		They know how big an illusion it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm an advocate of is the truth.
		And they're not telling the truth about marijuana.
		And they're not, in fact, generally telling the truth about anything.
		I know.
		Well, first time call online, you're on the air with Danian Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Deanne from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Deanne.
unidentified		And I agree with what you were just discussing about marijuana.
unidentified		That's been a big issue here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you vote, Deanna?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you asleep at the switch?
unidentified		Right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, when you voted?
unidentified		No.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, you were informed, you were educated, and you were compassionate.
unidentified		And I also have seen first-hand experience with friends who have AIDS, and they were given the tetracycline in a capsule, and it didn't help the nausea from the other medications, and the only thing that did help them was to actually smoke the marijuana.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard of Nightlights, the program that deals with hospice work in California?
unidentified		No, but that's one reason I'm calling is I'm actually calling from the platform of ignorance.
		I'm not familiar with you.
		This is the first time I've heard of you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm nobody, but I'm a pretty fun guy.
unidentified		Yeah, you sound like it, and that's why I thought I'd maybe get you into a little debate here and kind of cheer you up.
		But the hospice is something I've always wanted to get involved in because I did years ago.
		I worked for a respiratory care practitioner, and I had a lot of patients that were dying.
		I set them up on oxygen and everything.
		And you're right, it really is very moving.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You come back home.
		Come back home because I support a group called Nightlights, which is people being around people and helping people with AIDS who have nothing.
		I also support hospice.
		So in San Diego, I've helped set up a Nightlights group, which is probably in the, you can call for information at Nightlights and bring that practical experience back to someone, not what some general in Washington is deciding, but bring it back to loving our neighbors.
		Because just like you, I'm not advocate of drugs.
		I'm not an advocate of any of that.
		I believe in alternative and compatible therapeutic modalities.
		But I believe in compassion.
		And I believe in when I've seen people throw up for three or four days on chemo, who are down to 60 pounds, who are taking 15 pills anyway, and then sit and smoke a joint and quit puking and be able to eat a meal and be able to talk to their moms and dads.
		And I'm listening to some guy say that they're evil and that they were asleep at the switch.
		I commend California.
		I commend Arizona.
		I commend Washington state initiating actions and dealing with HMOs and that compatible medicines have to be paid for.
unidentified		I thought it was a very progressive move on the part of the state, but now it seems as though the government is going to try to intimidate, excuse me, the physicians who actually do get involved with it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It will backfire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so, too.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		When a doctor comes to the place that he has to choose between some general and some bureaucracy in Washington and the quality of health care of his patient who's paying him, when he comes to there, if he sells out, we'll get rid of all of them.
		If he stands his ground, then we, the people who are the recipients of these alternatives and compatible therapies, will stand behind them and we will vote whoever it is out of office who supports that.
		And we'll get people in there who understand this.
		This is where we are.
		This is what Art Show does.
		And this gives us a chance to speak in a forum.
		We may be, like Spiro Agnew said, the silent majority, but we're not silent anymore because these are our friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe, Danion, they will find the next time they ask for our vote, we'll be asleep at their switch.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And maybe we ought to go and give them two or three chemo treatments just for the hell of it.
		Let them come home, the hair foul out and puke and see if they want to join.
		Not sit up and be intellectual and be a general fighting some kind of war.
		It's all right to fight drugs and cocaine smugglers and heroins and all that kind of crap.
		But wait a minute.
		This is something that grows naturally.
		I heard a guy say that they were going to break marijuana at its source.
		That means they got to arrest God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it'll be scorching Mother Earth, I guess.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, what they got to do is arrest God.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you're going to cut it off at its source, then who's the source of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		My question is, who am I speaking with?
		This is Dean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dean, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Ridgecrest, County.
unidentified		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dean.
unidentified		Hi.
		My question is regarding the hospice also.
		I have an ill grandmother.
		She's just not doing well.
		And I'm a single father of three kids.
		And I wondered if you had a book or if you could refer me to somewhere that I could get help kind of like counseling for the kids to help them through it.
		Because we're all not doing real good with it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have two really great books.
		One's called Saved by the Light, one's called It Peace in the Light.
		And I mean, they're available.
		We've been talking about it.
		There's other books that deal with it.
		There is On Death and Dying by Elizabeth Kubler-Woss.
		There is Life After Life by Raymond Moody.
		There's Parting Visions by Melvin Morris.
		And all of these books help people deal with it.
		This is all that I write about.
		So, I mean, you know, go to the bookstore.
unidentified		I'll get your address.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, send me the money and I'll send you the book.
unidentified		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Remember this.
		When a person is in transition, they need love.
		I promise you this.
		When they leave this world, they go through what's called a near-death experience.
		The more you know about that, the more calm that the family can make the decisions and be close to her.
		Remember, you will see her again.
		And it's only a very short trip that each of us take.
		There's a life after death.
		It's a wondrous and glorious life.
		And it's filled with intrigue and growth there.
		But I tell you, from one friend to another friend, when we get a chance to go home, the other day in an interview, a lady asked me, she said, my mother's dying and I can't deal with it.
		And I said, listen, think of it like this.
		What you are losing, heaven is gaining.
		Heaven is gaining.
		Where is the better place?
		And then the lady said, you know, I don't get any consolement in that.
		She says, how do you find consolement in that you don't have your mother?
		I said, well, this is how I find consolement.
		I know, without any question, there is not one angel in heaven that has on dirty underwear.
		And heaven is the cleanest place in the entire world, and my room is messy.
		So there are some consolations.
		And I try to say that in a humorous way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do read his books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They really are good and on target for you, Cohner.
unidentified		All right, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for listening to Art, and thanks for calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
unidentified		Please don't cut me off.
		Why not Life After Life, Dr. Brinkley, instead of Damian Brinkley?
		Yeah, Damien Brinkley.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Life After Life is Brinkley.
unidentified		Versus Life After Life, because you said it's another life experience, and it's like a contradiction is my first question.
		Another one is about Hillary Clinton in China.
		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, first, Life After Life is Raymond's book, and a near-death experience, because if I was dead, I would not have come back.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Most of the time in my lectures, I call it a near-life experience, because I was as close to being alive on that side, more alive than I ever was on this side.
unidentified		Okay, now your predictions within the next two to three years expansion, does that have anything to do with your health?
unidentified		And do you practice healing of the body?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		I deal with alternativing compatible.
		I deal with energy medicines.
		It's how I've lived for now 21 years.
unidentified		Okay.
		Hillary Clinton, a gentleman called Art Bell and said that he saw her with a white dress on in China.
		Do you think she has access to the chambers in the pyramid in China?
		No.
		What about Dr. Elbach?
		Do you think by chance he has the actual Hall of Records from back in 1967?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe that because I can't find anything that documents it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But I believe that people on many dimensions, not necessarily the physical dimension, are already accessing those records.
unidentified		My prediction is cyberspace is the light of the truth.
		And we are looking for the truth.
		And the politicians and the government is going to be totally upset, especially when the stock market crashes.
		Cyberspace are going to try and do something to that, but it's not going to work.
		And when they change the justice system, the nonviolent drug offenders, they will be released.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we'll hold it there.
		Interesting comments you made about cyberspace.
		Do you have any thoughts on that, Danion?
		It is a strange...
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Time magazine just did an article on how cyberspace is, the Internet is changing the way we see ourselves spiritually.
		Sure is.
		I believe that it is the medium of the future.
		I just saw a report on technology where because of computers, and if you read in my books, I write about computer chips and biogenetic technologies.
		I just read an article on a program where when a person touches each other because of the auric field that the computer will be able to transmit information from one person to another person by the use of those subtle energy fields.
		I believe that the great frontier will be cyberspace.
		I believe that the government will have to do everything in its power to try to control it and regulate it.
		I believe that those who V-CHIPs, and you will watch, one of the next big issues with this new FCC person that's coming in with the Federal Communications Commission, this person will push V-CHIP technology, which is to be able to control, or the FBI be able to tap anything to take control or to be able to control people's access to the information.
		But it won't work.
		The only thing you can do is turn off the electricity.
		And if you get one of those radios that Art's been talking about that you can crank up and lying, they can't even turn the electricity off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I too believe the government will make an attempt, and I even think I know how, to control, regulate the Internet, shut it down if necessary.
		A quick release of something that seemed to be threatening to national security on the Internet would bring screams for regulation that would make your hair curl.
		But in the end, I think it is quickly becoming too big for them to ever control.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Or anyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or anyone to ever control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
unidentified		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And remember, first they try pornography.
		Then they try to control freedom of speech.
		The next becomes national security.
		Remember, the internet was created as an interactive communication system between intelligence agencies in the late 60s and early 70s.
		This is where the internet came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It was a colleges, anyone who was doing defense research or technology funded by one of the black programs.
		They had an interconnecting system that they called, I forgot the name of it, but it is where the internet came from.
		So it began as an intelligence organization, which I think is really wondrous.
unidentified		It is.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The government actually of free speech and open conversation and communication, which now has Brought information out of the Balkan regions, and when they shut down all forms of communication, they forgot that faxes and the internet existed, and we knew what was going on, and then the mainstream media had to bring it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, Daniel, that's it.
		We've done the whole show.
		We're out of time.
		Program's ending.
		My friend, I can't thank you enough for being here this morning.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I can't thank you enough for allowing me to be on this show for as long without throwing me off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our paths, as you know, will cross again soon, Daniel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not goodbye, but I'll see you soon.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to tell everybody that I love them very much, and please tell everybody about the Art Bell Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
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