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Dec. 6, 1996 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Hale-Bopp - Whitley Strieber - Chuck Shramek
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Well, all right.
Now, once again, here is Whitley Strieber.
Whitley?
Hi, how are you?
Fine.
What a surprise.
I would like to introduce to you the man who, I guess, began all of this in Houston, Texas.
He is Chuck Schrammach.
Chuck, are you there?
I'm here, all right.
Hi, Whitley.
Hi, how are you, Chuck?
I'm very pleased to meet you.
Oh, I'm very pleased to talk to you, sir.
A couple of Texans, actually.
Actually, yeah.
I guess it's been a long, tough odyssey for you.
Well, it has.
It was at first.
I went through a week there of nobody believing me, and I was kind of dangling out there alone.
But I know the feeling, Chuck.
I was in that position about ten years ago, very unexpectedly, and I did not know it took courage.
I didn't know that would be needed.
It was very surprising to me at the time.
And like you, Whitley, I have a son, 18 years old now.
And I realized, well, geez, if the whole truth comes out, it's going to be strange.
Because I knew at first that I was looking at something very, very odd here.
And if the whole truth did come out, I'd have to say, well, it's really, really odd.
It's something I've never seen before.
Chuck, how many photographs did you take?
161.
Have you heard the early part of the show, Chuck?
No, I'm sorry.
I fell asleep.
I'll hear it later.
Well, let me, just for you and for the listeners who have not heard, let me reiterate a proposal.
We were talking to a Another amateur astronomer, Ivan Dyer, in LA, who's been doing this for 45 years, and is very much of an expert in terms of the equipment he possesses.
Invented the lasarium.
Yeah, he's a good one.
Okay.
A real open-minded type of person is not going to be blinded by paradigms that he doesn't
want to see broken.
And what we're interested in is the possibility of assembling a committee of, say, about five
people like that.
I know another one in New York who is more of an amateur astrophysicist than an astronomer,
Dr. John Gleidman, who has the same kind of open mindset.
He's going to tell it like he sees it, pretty much.
To look at your photographs and come to independent opinions about what they show.
And then to come together, maybe, on the program and submit reports about what they feel these photographs represent.
And then we would have, along with you, a substantial group of amateur experts who would not be threatened by the danger of losing their livelihood if they made statements about this and would not be blinded by a paradigm that they're afraid to break.
What do you say to doing something like that?
I'd be open to doing something like that.
Well great, because I can certainly arrange to have the... I know with that many pictures there'd be some costs involved in reproducing pictures and so on and so forth and getting them moved around and All right, Chuck.
Let's clear something up for the audience, too, because all of the publicity surrounding Hale-Bopp, since your images, every story that has come out, literally, in newspapers from Albuquerque to Phoenix to San Jose to you name it, an Associated Press story, MSNBC did a front-page story on it, so forth and so on, they all try to take it on By referring only to your photograph.
The release.
One picture.
That's the key.
The one picture.
Right.
And they try to debunk it with that, and you know, the obvious quick answer, it was a star.
Chuck was mistaken.
It was, and there was indeed, a software error.
Yeah, there is a star there.
But a couple of things.
I went back and re-imaged the area, and I saw the star, and it's very dim there.
Another thing is the pictures I took, the 161 pictures, they vary in exposure anywhere from one to five seconds.
I was snapping all sorts of different times on there.
In every case, that thing, the companion, is the same size.
And a star would have grown inside.
Why would the star have grown in size?
The exposure would have made the image grow larger and larger as the pixels sort of spread
out there with the length of exposure.
And another thing I noticed, it's really something to see NASA and JPL actually go out of their
way to debunk an amateur astronomer in Houston, Texas.
To me that was incidentally, when NASA and JPL got in on it, that was the tip off that
I saw the old cover up, we must not let the public know there's anything unusual in the
universe coming into play.
I thought to myself, my Lord, how must he feel?
Here's an amateur astronomer with a very legitimate and straightforward discovery who finds instead that they're all throwing dynamite at him for no apparent reason.
It must be a very weird experience.
It is.
I'm to the point now where I'm just kind of sitting back and enjoying it.
At first I was trying to answer every email and I was answering Maybe up to 20 or 30 an hour.
I know from experience that no matter how good your answer, it will never be accepted.
Well, that's why I finally came to that conclusion.
It doesn't really matter.
You don't need to answer it.
And one thing, JPL says that CCDs are more sensitive to orange and the lower light waves, which is very true, because this supposedly was an orange or red star there.
But what they never asked me, and what has never come out, is I shot that through two filters, a CCD filter and a green filter.
So that star should have been very, very thin.
And indeed on re-imaging it was, right?
I could hardly find it.
Chuck, let me ask you this.
Is there enough commentary motion in these pictures for the perspective against the starfield to have changed at all?
I've thought of that and just done some rough figures in my head.
It probably only moved a couple of pixels, and I don't think it would be anything definitive, but it might show up.
Have you tried to image it again?
The comic?
Yeah.
That's another odd aspect of my story, Whitley.
I was so driven to get out there night after night after night.
I mean, for months I was out there.
And it's almost as if my job's over.
And I haven't... I have not gone back out and imaged a comet.
Another factor is that where I live here, the comet window of opportunity was getting shorter and shorter and shorter.
That's right, I know that.
And we had to do about 20 minutes or so and that picture was taken.
Yeah.
Just because of my trees and the position of my house and what have you.
Uh-huh.
In other words, it's getting pretty low on the horizon.
Yeah, well, I can't even see it from where I live now.
I'd have to go outside of town and get a good clear western horizon view.
I see.
Well, I think even your photograph is not that easily debunked, but when you're talking to a newspaper, it is easily debunked.
They just say, oh, it was a star.
They're not there to...
to deliver the facts, they're there to debunk.
So if you come up with a good explanation for whatever debunking method they've chosen,
then they're simply going to choose another.
And then one other thing, Chuck, there is new information that you didn't hear because
you didn't hear the first part of the program, but Whitley earlier in the week contacted
the British...
What is it, Whitley?
The Royal Astronomical Observatory in Greenwich.
And early in the week, you'll be interested to know, Chuck, they admitted to Whitley on the phone, yes, there is an object there.
Quite cheerfully, oh yes, we're aware of that and we're looking into it, was the phrase.
I guess you could say, at a pinch, that the man was simply saying they were aware of the story, but I don't think so.
The way the conversation ran, it was clear that they were aware of the object, no matter what they may say in retrospect.
At the time I first talked to them, they were aware of the object, in my opinion.
That's what I was being told.
It's interesting to see the backtracking done.
And, of course, I read your comments, Whitley, on the Japanese observatory.
Yes.
And that odd shuffle.
So, there's something going on.
And, you know, I followed the web, I sense, back in May, That there's something going on here, because the good pictures started disappearing.
Yeah.
The observatories were posting pictures from smaller and smaller telescopes.
In fact, the night that a lot of this broke, the night of your famous Thanksgiving broadcast, I noticed that the JPL Webber comments homepage They threw up a picture, a new picture, and they hadn't had one on there since August.
They threw up a new picture, but it was from the observatory in Slovenia.
Using a telescope incomparable to mine, I thought, I ought to donate my telescope to Slovenia.
Well, that's incredible.
That I did not know, Chuck.
I mean, in other words, what you're saying is the community has been trying to blind us to the actual appearance of this comet.
Oh, absolutely.
Now, I have to tell you that for any astronomer who's participating in this and who's listening to this program, and I know from my email that a lot of you are listening to it, you need really to look at the morality of that.
That is not a moral act at all.
Not in any way.
It is, in fact, Well, and then there's even more evidence.
Again, the so-called Hale-Bopp eyes that are on the Hale-Bopp site itself, to the best of my knowledge, have not been explained.
Chuck, what about you?
No, I've not heard it, and that was one of the first thoughts that went through my mind when I saw that thing there.
Because I was aware of that Hale-Bopp Eyes picture for several months.
In fact, I had a link from my page to the site page.
And it shows an object every bit as bright.
Maybe you're a better judge of this than I am.
I'm just a layman, but I look at it, and to me it looks like two objects of equal size and brightness.
It's pretty unmistakable, and I have enough experience.
And of course, if you even see the star, you can see the star background there.
And it's literally within 10 minutes.
The thing was there, and ten minutes later it wasn't there.
And the separation on the nucleus to that eye, you're talking about a distance there that is probably comparable to the... from the Earth to the Moon, or maybe at least half that distance.
So that's a... It's a great thing, and it's quite far away from the comet.
On distance scales like that, over a period of ten minutes?
Yeah, it's amazing.
Word.
It's amazing.
And the scale on my picture is similar, about the same type of distance there.
It's hard for the casual observer or the layman to know because some of them are closer, zoomed in, some are farther away.
Now, we can talk about, though we can't yet post the photograph from the top ten university astronomer, but it shows The anomalous object almost, damn near, meshed with Hale-Bopp.
It actually overlaps a little bit.
It's quite remarkable.
And Whitley, you've got that.
Yeah, right.
It's right behind Hale-Bopp, inside the corona of the comet.
It couldn't be very far away at all.
Even probably within 100,000 miles of the coma.
So it's getting to the point where we've got photographs from at least half a dozen sources.
All showing this anomalous object, to me that adds up to evidence that demands some kind of verdict.
Some kind of sane response from the astronomical community, rather than what we've gotten so far, which has not been adequate.
And I think combined, you know, in my mind, the other major factor, I smelled a cover-up before any of this started, and was wondering and wondering aloud, where are the good pictures?
Well, for example, the Hubble has imaged this a number of times.
They're supposed to have imaged it in 1996, but practically nothing has been released.
Actually, I think nothing since, what, October, Chuck?
Well, they have put up some new ones.
But they've obviously jacked down the resolution, zoomed out on them.
They hurriedly put up some later ones.
And it's interesting, you know... Because September the 6th one was put up.
And I was sent a very condescending piece of email that I should take a look at it immediately, which I did.
And I was struck by the fact that it was so poor compared to the usual Hubble imagery.
Right.
They must have blown it down considerably.
Or that was my initial impression when I saw it.
I hate to make assumptions about their work like they have about mine.
From a layman's point of view, it doesn't look like a Hubble image at all.
It looks like something taken from a terrestrial telescope.
How are you holding up, Chuck?
A lot of people don't know it, but even your career was in some jeopardy.
Well, that was the rumors, but the truth when I got back and talked to all the parties involved face-to-face is not fine.
It's okay.
I'll be back on the air Tuesday morning.
All right.
Well, we are glad to hear it.
We will be in contact with you regarding those photographs.
Keep them safe.
They're safe in many spots.
That's good.
Very smart guy.
Thank you very much, Chuck.
Thank you, Art and Whitley.
Pleasure to talk to both of you.
Pleasure to meet you.
All right, there's the man who started it all, Chuck Ceramic.
And it sounds as though he's doing okay and back to work and so forth and so on.
But I thought a lot of what he just said was rather quite revealing.
And I think the people who say it was just a star, Really have got to examine his photographs of the same area, taken under the same conditions, re-imaged, where there is just a star and nothing even remotely like what he originally imaged.
And then they've got, if they can answer that, then they've got to answer at least five more photographs from various locations that seem to show the same thing.
At any rate, at any rate, there we are.
Well, he has a very ample supply of photographic evidence, and I'm quite sure that a lot can be derived from the photographs that he can offer.
All right.
We'll proceed with this committee.
You bet.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello, Art Bell.
Hi.
Thanks.
I appreciate you waiting for me.
Sure.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in St.
Louis, Missouri.
My name's Justin.
Okay.
Well, first of all, I want to apologize for the oh-wows I've had the opportunity to talk to you on the phone.
Oh, that's all right.
Actually, this is the second time I've called you.
Unfortunately, Chuck's not here.
I can't talk to him now, but I have a question.
Sure.
Now, there are a lot of people out there who say, who knows what the hell this thing is, but do you have Anything.
What do you think this thing is?
Alright, that's a straight out question.
Whitley, what do you think it is?
Hunches.
That's what I can give you at this point.
I cannot tell you what it is.
I cannot make any definitive statements.
What do you think?
I have a hunch that this does have something to do with the whole gamut of strange things that we have been observing over the past 50 years.
From UFOs to close encounters to crop circles and any number of other different anomalous things that appear to be an attempt on the part of an intelligence that is very, very different from ours in many respects to communicate with us and to make us aware of its presence.
All right, Whitley, hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
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In Phoenix, the stonewalling and obfuscation by astronomers and scientists about Hale-Bopp is to be expected.
The anomalies that they find challenge their beliefs.
The problem arises from their belief that they know how the universe works, and that it is impossible for other beings to traverse the vast distances of space.
I submit for your consideration, remember basic algebra.
Remember how many exceptions, special cases, fudge factors there were.
Well, if you extrapolate those fudge factors, by the time you get to quantum mechanics and astrophysics, I think the scientific explanations may be just a bit off.
And, when you begin to challenge a set of beliefs that people have built their identity on, you are basically challenging their religious dogma.
Ask Galileo.
What do you think about that, Whitley?
Well, they nearly lit Galileo up, and I think you and I and people like us are very fortunate that burning at the stake is going out of fashion.
Yeah, we'd already be charcoaled.
Absolutely, we'd be toast.
I'd like to get back to this question.
Is this the familiar visitors or not?
Yes.
This is a real interesting one, and here's why I think it may be.
Back in the, arguably, they showed up, at least they emerged into our more ordinary world back in the 40s and late 40s and early 50s.
There's a certain amount of evidence at that time, judging from what happened in July of 1952 over Washington, that there was some kind of an attempt going on to communicate with the government.
Maybe succeeded, maybe failed.
In either case, after that, They went underground, and they made a direct appeal to individuals.
They began to approach the individual in his most secret, most intimate places.
In his home, in his bed, in the middle of the night.
Penetrating the sexual body of mankind, and appealing to the psyche of mankind, as we discussed earlier, in two totally different ways.
Now, here this object come, And it's a totally different kind of communication, but one that fits that whole pattern, because here it is suddenly appealing for the first time to another kind of social institution, the scientific community, and doing it publicly.
And if they are trying to develop some means of communicating with us, and of not simply Simply staring across space at each other like we do with
the dolphins and not really know what's going on in the other's mind
But really participating in our lives and us in theirs. It's a logical next step to attempt
Can they break through the the paradigm that locks this community into its belief system?
Well, I think clearly Whitley we are more approachable than our government is well sure that that
The ordinary individual actually, as I've said it many times from reading all the letters I've gotten, the ordinary person who has this experience, whether they have a good experience or a bad experience, they're much more capable of dealing with it than the authorities.
The authorities are the ones who are scared.
We're not, actually.
We're much less scared than the... I think that That the average man is far less frightened than the average gentleman.
Well, I think that's right.
And you can fold into that the astronomical community based on what we told the audience tonight, what we know to be true.
They're just frightened out of their wits.
All right.
Everybody wants to talk to you.
First time caller on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello.
My name is Meadow Sweet.
Thank you for taking my call.
Meadow Sweet, huh?
What a name.
Thank you.
I wanted to ask you, Whitley, and also Art, First of all, I wanted to tell you briefly, um, I, this is the first time I've ever been public about this, but I've been contacting and have been visited on a regular basis before, um, consciously for a little over a year now, October 9th and 10th of 1995, um, while I was camping on Mount Shasta with a friend.
You're not alone in that, in two ways.
A lot of people on Mount Shasta and In the past year, many more people have unconscious encounters than before.
It's amazing how difficult it has been for me to find people to speak with about it that have had personal experiences themselves.
So it's been a real personal growth and I'm writing a book because I channel with them currently also and I've seen them physically and felt them physically I will be explaining everything in my book.
Alright, well we'll look forward to that.
I guess a lot of people who have these kinds of experiences, as you did, Whitley,
feel compelled to relate them. I mean, you did it. You wrote a book.
Absolutely. I did it because I just thought it was, you know, it was really a scary experience.
But goodness, it was such a fun adventure too.
I mean, I thought the book would be popular.
That's why I wrote it.
I mean, I didn't know how popular, certainly, but I had no idea that there would be all this condemnation and sort of posturing that went on, actually.
It was amazing.
And so I'm not surprised to see what's happening with the astronomical community.
And it's interesting that there's never, in that community, there's been very little suggestion that this is connected
with aliens in any way, at least not overtly.
The response is the same because the object is unexpected.
And that is the real problem.
It's not that they're afraid of aliens, it's that they can't handle what they don't expect.
Well, you know, we're being very hard on them, but with what goes on in the astronomical community, I do understand.
In other words, Whitley Strieber, Well, it is now, but I lost the career I had and all the friends and all the social contacts.
built on this sort of thing. Well it is now, but I lost the career I had and all
the friends and all the social contacts. Well there you are.
Everything I lost I ended up, I mean even economically we suffered terribly
from it. Sure, sure.
But now you're in a position where you can speak out without great fear.
Now, Professor Brown, same deal.
He's tenured.
They might try to get him, but he's tenured.
You know, he's fairly safe.
And then there's Art Bell.
I'm too crazy to care.
Getting to the point where I just don't care, so I can do this kind of thing.
And maybe to a lesser degree, prudence because of her situation.
But she's more fragile, and I think that that's a whole different thing.
Yeah, I do too.
But the three of us, we can speak out without great fear.
Now, if you're inside, if you're an astronomer, and you speak out, you're risking everything.
You're risking your career.
A man who has been trained in astronomy, what is he going to do with his life if he can't do astronomy?
The answer is, he's going to flip hamburgers.
I mean, it's really, it's a tough call because those guys have a long way to fall if they're pushed out of the net.
Really do, they really do.
So they're careful.
They have to be.
And I don't blame them.
No, I don't either.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Yes, Art and Whitley.
It's been an absolutely incredible program.
I'm calling from just outside of Boston in Massachusetts.
My name is Ben, and I've got a few quick things I want to say.
I'll make them really fast.
You were talking about Galileo a little while back and how he was castigated and all.
I think we're forgetting, we lose sight often of what we're dealing with in big-time religion, big-time astronomy, you might say.
A form of religion in itself, and in a sense we're taking on something somewhat similar to let's say the Catholic Church or something.
There are a lot of really deep-set Orthodox precepts that are going to have to be just very gently and gradually dislodged, and it's not going to be something that happens precipitously.
Another thing I wanted to say was just that I think we're all tending to focus too much on trying to get approval from these very same sources with this belief that somehow this will give us, the people that perceive this thing in a different sort of way, more credence.
We don't need their approval.
We need to go ahead and And they're the caboose in this whole thing.
We can march ahead and it really doesn't matter whether they approve or agree or not.
You know, I'm tired of holding back to wait for these cabooses to catch up to us.
Let them go their own way.
If they get left behind in the dust, so be it.
So what?
Third thing I just want to mention really quickly is Back maybe half an hour ago as I was listening to you folks, my mind all of a sudden flashed on something that I've heard in the past.
An author, Zachariah Sitchin, has written a number of books.
I've never read any of them, much to my regret, but I've heard of him interviewed a number of times and he seems to talk about some kind of a Planet-like object that returns to this region of space, you know, this region around Earth about once every 3,000 years.
Alright, sir, we'll hold it there.
Go ahead, Whitley.
Everybody who has not read Zechariah Sitchin's book, The Twelfth Planet, ought to go out and pick up a copy.
Go to the library and get a copy and read it.
I've been reading it all week, and I have to tell you, if he's Right about this.
He is absolutely one of the geniuses of the age.
But in any case, it's an absolutely fascinating read that enables you to open your mind to the possibility that this object may be something returning, rather than something coming for the first time.
A fascinating possibility.
All right.
Ease to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hello, Whitney.
Hi.
This is Mark from Illinois on CETCOM.
Yes, sir.
I have two quick things.
With the fear of stirring the story up, I'll bet the, uh, the Atcomico debunkers won't, uh, Doug and Dave this in the, uh, media.
Uh, you want to... There's a lot of, uh, hungry telescopes and binoculars out there.
Well, exactly.
They've got an interesting problem this time.
The scientific community... This is, again, why I think it's our old, familiar visitors, because they, they are very good at creating situations like this.
The scientific community Has really got to address this, my guess is, next spring.
Maybe the object will be gone when the comet comes around the sun.
I hope not.
Because then, there'll be a situation where the average individual can get a telescope or a pair of binoculars and look at it.
So they have to address it.
What is it?
They can't ignore it.
It's a tangible thing.
Exactly.
You can't hide it.
Anybody can see.
It can't be hidden.
And if they end up hiding their head in the sand, then that's what they do.
But they're going to be on the line and they're not going to be able to get off the line.
The interesting thing about this whole contact experience is it revolves around questions.
It creates these impossible questions that you can't get away from.
And it's interesting because questions are a form of stress.
Evolution is a stress response.
And even if we don't answer a lot of these incredible questions that the experience brings up, we do grow because we have to live with it.
And the scientific community is about to have that experience, I think.
Okay, well, you were discussing biblical references to comets, that service section thing.
Yes.
It's been claimed that Hillboth is on a 3,000 to 4,000 year elliptical, retrograde orbit.
Right, the same orbit that, the same timeline that Zechariah 6 and the 12 Planets is on.
It's at Nibiru.
okay now that's not let's ever get to down to uh... thirty five thousand
years for the public
that would put it left appearance in the uh... time frame of uh... fifty-nine
pb i think you know thirty five hundred years
well i have a commitment or that's about the time of the expected time frame of the
accident and there's an author of their colleague manuel bellicose
key that you have a good one
I'm an older author.
Lou wrote some extraordinary books.
Well, the last best one was 1950, Worlds in Collision.
Yes.
And he discusses, he researched this time frame of 1500 B.C.
where there was worldwide catastrophes.
That's when Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt.
And an unknown story, I mean a thing that's really been kept quiet is like 8 out of 10 Hebrews died.
And the rabbi sort of kept that quiet, you know.
The sword of God destroyed 8 out of 10 Jews.
It's also the time when the Minoan civilization was destroyed by a catastrophe.
But anyway, and Mr. Sexton discusses the book of Job, which states the arrival of Good morning, Art Whitley.
Hi, how are you?
Bob Campion, Secretary.
All right, well, we'll leave it there, but the caller is right.
If you average it out, look at about 3,500 years, the timeline is just right.
It is just right, yes, that's correct.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Good morning, Art and Whitley.
Hi, how are you?
I'd like to...
The question I have is there's been a lot of talk of the frequencies that the signals
have been received on, and I would like to know, I would really like to know what those
Oh, that makes three of us.
Now, let me give you what I've got.
Um, and I, I'm... Whitley, I've got something I haven't told you about.
I've got... I've got an audio signal.
Uh, submitted, uh, by a ham.
And I'm... I'm, I'm not sure what to do with it.
I'm not sure what it is.
And it was received in the K-band area.
So, I'll just let that sit, and I don't know what you may have, but what I've heard is K-band.
Well, if it's in the K-band area, and other hams begin to pick up the same signal, then we've got something.
Well, I would like to make an appeal to my fellow hams.
If you guys run into a signal you don't understand, whether it's in the microwave region, Or lower.
I would like to speak with you.
I would like to get email from you.
And we can only appeal to those out there who have ears to begin to listen.
Ham's are very, very, very good at that.
And I'm going to be doing what I can, but I am but one ear.
We need many to cooperate out there.
There's pretty good evidence there is a signal.
And Whitley, you back me up here.
This astronomer, Has said there is an unambiguous signal.
That is correct.
Two frequencies.
He has been... He was very clear to Prue about that.
And I questioned her carefully.
And I specifically asked her to ask him for the frequency.
And it was interesting.
She said he was very tight-lipped when he talked about the signal.
Almost as if he was concerned that he shouldn't speak about it at all.
Which was an interesting response.
Fascinating.
Yeah.
Whitley, can you do one more hour?
Or are you tired?
I'm not in the best shape, but I can keep going.
You can keep going?
All right, good.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
It's great to talk to you and Whitley.
My question is, this is Craig from Hickory, Kentucky, by the way.
Yes, sir.
My question is, do either of you know whether Dr. Courtney Brown has used his scientific remote viewing technique Well, first of all, they don't need to use scientific remote viewing.
suggested to him and if he's not going to perhaps you should release the
information anyway without giving his name. All right, all right. Go ahead.
Well first of all they don't need to use scientific remote viewing they're in
telephone contact with the astronomer. Secondly the astronomer continues to say
he is coming forward.
He just needs time to correlate the latest data and get his act and his ducks in a row before he releases the information.
Yeah.
Uh, Whitley and I are both in possession of a photograph and knowledge about the university.
Are we going to release this now?
No.
The answer is we've decided Not to, on the pleadings of an awful lot of people.
But eventually, we definitely will.
And at least I definitely will, and I assume you too, Whitley.
Oh, sure.
If it appears that the system has failed the public completely, and that the man has been compelled or has decided that he must remain forever silent, then of course we will.
And I'm not sure when that is.
I mean, the tendency is to want to pin a date on it and say, all right, if it isn't done by, you know, next Friday, we're going to release this data.
I think that if we present the amateur data in a credible manner to the professional community, and it still remains silent, and the debunking becomes obviously irrational, then that's when it's time.
I would have to agree.
All right, Whitley, stand by and we'll get back to you.
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This is the CBC Radio Network. Are we really so sure of what's out there? I don't think
so. Are we so sure that the paradigms are as we imagine them to be?
As we demand they must be?
I don't think so.
You don't have to put up with it.
I know many of you do, but you don't have to.
What am I talking about?
You know Americans have no guarantee.
It's getting pretty late in San Antonio, probably a little after four o'clock.
It's not late, it's early.
It's early.
All right, somebody just sent me a fax, Whitley.
Kind of intriguing.
Uh, Whitley, what would Hale-Bopp's companion have looked like in the night sky about 2,000 years ago?
It's not a question I can answer, but it's very intriguing.
I mean, you mean if Hale-Bopp passed 3,500 years ago?
Yeah.
Well, uh, you know, the interesting thing about that is that there are two things that are probably true.
Probably Hale-Bopp did pass at that time, and There was an upheaval on this planet at that time that was profound, that changed civilization very, very deeply, that brought an end to the Archaic Age.
The Minoan Empire collapsed.
The pre-classical, I've forgotten the name of it, the Empire in Greece collapsed.
There were upheavals all over the Middle East.
There were upheavals in Egypt.
All over the world there were weather anomalies and dramatic changes.
There was a volcano at Santorini in the central, eastern Mediterranean, blew off at that time.
It was, in other words, an interesting period, like ours.
With the difference that it was characterized by a great deal of natural upheaval, which has not been true of our period so far, although there's been a fair amount of it, it hasn't been as dramatically aggressive affecting civilization as it was then.
We don't really know what the significance of this is now.
There's no evidence.
That the presence of the comet will have any effect on Earth at all.
It's going to be as Ivan spoke about earlier tonight, quite far away, 122 million miles, even farther away than the sun at its closest approach.
So what could it possibly do?
Maybe we'll escape this time.
Woodley, somebody just sent me another photograph.
Uh, this is a very, very good apparent Hubble photograph, Whitley.
It shows, uh, it shows the comet very clearly, and it shows something very, very much like Chuck Schrammich's picture.
Now, I have no reference on when this was taken, but it's awfully good.
I'll get it up on the web.
Oh my.
Yeah.
Um, Whitley, um, do you have, uh, do you have the ability to receive a photograph by computer?
Oh, sure.
You do?
Absolutely.
It can be sent to my AOL address, which is, all of my addresses are publicly known, so it's simply WStreamer at AOL.com.
I might add to listeners that I get about two or three hundred pieces of email a day, and I respond to as much as I can.
I do the same thing.
It's getting a little difficult.
It is hard, but I also respond to questions based on the I'm going to forward this to you as we speak.
which is www.strever.com.
Don't get upset if you don't get a response.
Just bear in mind that I'm there and I'm trying.
All right.
I'm going to forward this to you as we speak.
I don't know if you're capable of getting on a computer while you're on the air.
No, no.
Uh, no, no.
I can't do both at the same time from this telephone.
All right.
Uh, let's see.
Um, let's go here.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
Hi.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, uh, Doug.
I'm calling from, uh, Coquitlam, uh, British Columbia.
Yes, sir.
Uh, hello, uh, Mr. Strieber.
Hi, how are you?
Truly an honor to speak with you, sir.
Well, thank you.
Okay, uh, Mr. Strieber, with your experiences of a, of a abduction and knowledge of If this comes to first contact, in your opinion, how do you think that we will be approached?
It's going to be a very stressful experience, and it will be devised that way, because as I've said earlier, this experience is in its overall structure, it's evolutionary.
I think we should be very cautious about the experience, just in general.
I always advise that.
This is how it appears to me.
But evolution, remember, to the creatures that are experiencing it, is difficult.
It's only afterwards, when you look at the results, that you think, oh, what a wonderful thing has happened.
But while it's happening, it isn't easy.
When I saw Independence Day come out, I thought to myself, it's quite possible that the visitors are getting closer and that this has something to do with it.
The reason being that when they come into the individual's life, they come on a tide of fear.
The first thing that happens to you, usually they're in your life when you're a child and it's wonderful.
Then they go away and they come back again when you're an adult and it's terrible.
And you are then in a position of you have to overcome your fear, and you do that not by convincing yourself that they're not dangerous, because they won't let you do that.
The more you try to convince yourself of that, as it happened to me and many other people, the more dangerous they seem.
You have to just surrender to the situation completely.
Okay?
I think it's going to be tough, but I can guarantee you one thing.
We'll get through it.
The individual Always get through this thing.
You just don't find people who are destroyed by the contact experience.
A few, probably.
But the great majority of people who have it, get through it.
It seems impossible, but they do.
And they grow from it.
Most of them.
I think as a species and as a society, we certainly will.
Do you feel positive about this situation?
Overall, yeah, a tough, difficult situation to handle, but one that in the end is going to have positive benefits for mankind.
That's my feeling.
I don't, there's certain things I don't buy into anymore.
I used to, I used to really fear the idea that they were going to sort of take us over in some way, but there's no, it would have already happened.
The problem is, if this is an invasion, They're not using the most valuable tool that they could possess, which would be surprise, certainly.
If it was an invasion, it would already be over.
If it is an invasion, we have nothing to worry about, because they're no good at it at all.
I think it's an invasion of consciousness.
There, I couldn't agree with you more, and that is why I always say, caution, caution, caution, but keep taking positive steps forward, because an invasion of consciousness Can be turned to our benefit if we're strong.
Exactly.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hi, Michael from Columbia, South Carolina.
Hi, Michael.
Hi, Michael.
What a pleasure to be talking to both of you gentlemen.
Thanks.
I'd like to make a comment and ask Whitley a question, kind of a little bit off the subject, but first of all, I really, I think that we as a culture suffer from a little bit of instant gratification and, you know, we want instant food, we want instant Uh, in entertainment, and I think we want instant answers and solutions to incredibly complex problems.
Yes.
And I really think that, I think instead of talking about a time frame of a week or so, if this astrophysicist does come forth, frankly we could think in terms of maybe a month or two, even more, whatever it takes.
And I also agree with an earlier caller who said that we really don't need the verification of any of these astrophysicists to know what we, Well, we'll begin to be able to see the comet with the naked eye rather easily in February.
I think that, I think I've been interested in this as Hoagland says, the anomalous anomalology
now since junior high school.
I'm 40 years old and I think a few more weeks or even months won't hurt.
Comet's got what, five months before we'll see it.
I think we have a little while to wait.
Well we'll begin to be able to see the comet with the naked eye rather easily in February.
It'll be visible in the morning twilight in January on the low on the eastern horizon.
But sadly, we've got this period of blackout when it's going to be very frustrating.
Yeah, right.
It's until about January the 5th from Winnard.
Do you know when it goes in?
No, I don't know the precise dates.
I know it's about to go away now.
And it's going to be very frustrating.
So, here we are, stuck with all this.
Collar, I appreciate that.
I do agree with the premise that we don't necessarily need these people that don't want to have anything to do with speaking out publicly.
It can be done elsewise, and I think you've commented on that as well, Woodley.
But what we mustn't let the scientific community do is hide its head in the sand and abandon it.
They would like to just pretend it isn't there, and that's what they do a lot.
That's exactly what they're doing right now.
They're trying to, but the public's got to keep the pressure up.
I mean, that's why I went on in the first place.
I thought to myself, I'm going to be accused by my friends in the scientific community of taking this out in the wrong way and causing it being counterproductive, and those accusations have come.
But I keep saying back to these people, There's data in the public record now.
It's there.
It's there.
Art has brought it out, and it's there.
You can't get away from it now.
It's there.
And that is what we're doing here, and we have to keep that pressure up.
When the committee's finished, we come back on, we talk about the results, we make sure that the astronomical community, the scientific community, knows that the public is out there, that we are aware of this, and that we have substantial, effective reason to believe that there is
something going on.
In other words, we're looking at sensible data.
We're not just dreaming.
All right. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
Hello, Art.
Hello.
Yes, I've got a question for Whitley.
All right.
Whitley, first of all, my first question is, are you familiar with Arthur C. Clarke's novel,
like the series about Rama?
Yeah, I think I may have read one of the books.
Okay.
First of all, I read Arthur.
Arthur's first book was I think in the late 60s, and then he collaborated with Gentry Lee, and I think they're on their fourth book right now.
And the whole significance of it was like a visitor, kind of like an emissary, like a huge cylindrical object that came through in a cometary path that came around the Earth.
It was set in the future, and it kept repeating over and over again, like a comet.
Maybe this is the future it was set in.
Okay, I was just wondering if you have any contact.
Are you able, like in the same kind of realm of being a writer and science fiction writer in certain different aspects, do you have contact with Arthur C. Clarke?
It's a very good question.
Arthur C. Clarke is in Sri Lanka, of course.
Yes.
Not very accessible, but not beyond accessible either.
It's a good question, Whitley.
Is there a chance you could contact him?
I don't think so.
I've never been in contact with Arthur C. Clarke.
In my life.
I sat beside Rupert C. Clarke during the opening of one of his movies back in the 60s and that's about as close as I've ever been to him.
I see, alright.
Um, what I've sent you, uh, on the net, uh, and let me know if it doesn't come through right, but I think it will, Whitley, is something entitled, Leaked Photo, HBST19.jpg.
Okay.
Uh, that's sitting in your mailbox, uh, for later.
I think it's an astonishing program.
Astonishing.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Let me apologize, I'm on a cell phone and there's a slight chance I'm in a mountainous area.
If I disappear, you'll know what happened.
Alright.
Okay.
Um, I have a quotation I'd like to open with first, and then I have a question for Whitley.
The quotation, it's actually more of a paraphrase, I can't remember the exact words, but it goes like this.
All that we have of knowledge, compared to what we don't know about the universe, is like a candle in the dark.
Yet it is infinitely precious, for it is all that we know, and all that we have.
That was a direct quotation, paraphrased slightly, from Albert Einstein.
And Whitley Strieber said a little over an hour ago that scientists don't get recognition for things they discover that are unexpected, but rather they get recognition for things that are expected.
He also said that when they discover things that are unexpected, instead of getting recognition, they are in danger.
They lose jobs and such to that.
That's right.
That's exactly the opposite of the way science does work.
I can give you three examples.
No one expected Albert Einstein to discover things such as special and general relativity.
Yet when he did, scientists all over the world rushed to verify it.
Within 11 years of the publication of his theory of special relativity, it was verified in 1917.
And two years later, in 1919, he received the Physics Nobel Prize.
And yet, Albert Einstein was completely unknown at the time he published his theory.
In fact, he was working for the Swiss Patent Examiner's Office.
He did not have a tenured position.
If you'd like a more recent example, I can't remember the man's name, but he is at the University of California, Irvine, and he was doing research on halogen chemistry, and as a byproduct of that, he just accidentally discovered that certain chemicals, and I'm sure you know about this, can affect the ozone layer.
And four years ago, or perhaps it was five years ago, 1991, he received the Nobel Prize for something that was, again, completely unexpected.
And he is still being ridiculed.
Yes, but he received a Nobel Prize, he is still a tenured professor at the University of California, Irvine, and he is also receiving support from very, very many scientists, for example, Carl Sagan.
Now, I would also like to give you a couple of names.
I would like you to try to get as guests on your show to discuss this, and you seem to be so intent upon attacking the scientific community.
I guess I'm challenging you to get some representatives on there, and I actually have three names for you.
All right.
All right.
The one is obvious, and he can be reached in Ithaca, New York at Cornell University, where he is a tenured professor of astronomy, Dr. Carl Sagan.
He's in the phone book.
The second name is less well-known, but he's a world-famous science fiction writer and also a Ph.D.
in physics and astronomy.
His name is Dr. Robert L. Forward.
He can be reached At the Hughes Research Laboratories in Malibu, California.
He's also in the Los Angeles phone directory.
And the third name would be another world-famous science fiction writer and professor of physics at the University of California at Irvine, Dr. Gregory Benford.
He lives in Laguna Beach and is in the phone book.
And actually, I can also obtain the numbers of all of these people if you would like me to get them for you.
I have a phone book at home with their numbers.
All right.
I can also put you in contact with Excuse me, with Arthur C. Clarke, uh, through Telex.
I have his Telex address, and, uh, probably could find his phone number.
Uh, without going into too much detail, I have a lot of contacts in both the scientific world and the science fiction world.
Believe me, we're happy to pursue, uh, any or all of those contacts.
Yeah.
Now, I am as open-minded as anyone.
However, there's a famous saying, and I don't mean this pejoratively to anyone in particular, but it is possible to have a mind that is so open that the brains fall out.
I try to maintain a certain amount of skepticism, and I keep coming back to the fact that there may well be something there, but we seem to be jumping to tremendous conclusions on very little evidence.
There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you keep firmly in mind that we have very little evidence.
All we have is evidence that there is something that is reflecting or emitting light, possibly, apparently, in the same region of the sky as this comet.
Yes.
To, I mean, actually postulate that it's Coexistent in the same region of space as a comet, and not just apparently.
Much less that it's anything other than a natural object.
You know, you have to go for the simple explanation before you go for the more complex.
All right, what is the simple explanation?
The simple explanation is that it is something natural.
We don't know what it is.
Science can't explain things overnight.
As a caller a moment ago said, we do have a culture and a society that is Always eager for instant gratification and easy answers.
And science, unfortunately, is a system that relies on checks and balances, replication of data, and things like that.
All right, listen.
All right.
I think you've got most of it out.
We're going to have to go.
We're at a dead point here.
Sure.
I'd like to hear some responses.
All right.
You certainly will.
Thank you very much.
Whitley, sit tight.
We'll be back for a final half hour.
Okay.
All right.
Stay right there, everybody.
you're listening to the american cbc radio network it's taking calls on the wild card line
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Now, here again, Art Bell.
Once again, here I am.
First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
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Now, here again, Art Bell.
Once again, here I am. I think the last caller was entirely reasonable with his suggestions regarding Dr. Sagan, Dr.
Forward, and Dr. Benford.
And we'll pursue those.
Uh, I think that I do want to say, though, that, uh, so far, from people of that caliber, we have been unable to get a responsive, uh, reply.
And in, in the cases that we have had a responsive reply, uh, it has quickly been taken back.
So, we are a little suspicious of what information we're able to get from the traditional scientific community, and I think reasonably so.
I'm unable to say, as a talk show host, that this object is some great ship coming to take us all home.
I have no idea.
I simply have said, and maintain now, there is enough evidence that, I would say, an examination by the mainstream community is demanded.
Absolutely demanded.
Not enough evidence to say that here we have some great alien ship headed our way, but certainly enough evidence to suggest there is something utterly anomalous up there that certain people are very much afraid to talk about.
The VTEC 900 NDL special white set.
Zero.
And in conclusion, in response to the last call, I would say if we don't come forward and we don't ask these questions, Well, I think you made a couple of quite good points.
The first and most important one is not to forget that we don't know what this is.
It's like all of the stories that go around where everybody's got all the visitors all figured out and where they're from, planet they're from, etc.
We don't even know what they are yet.
We mustn't forget that.
Nature has proved to be full of quite a number of strange things, and it might be that this object is an actual object of some very strange kind.
That remains to be seen.
The second point that he made in making reference to some of the more notable successes in the history of science with regard to opening itself to new discoveries were important too, and I think that it should be remembered That the jury is still out.
Initially, the administrations that run these telescopes have backed off of this, probably because they have no support internally and don't know the faintest idea of what to say about it.
Most likely, it's because some of the astronomers involved have not been studying the matter.
On the other hand, Charles Schrammach suggests that There has been an effort to conceal the actual condition of the area around the Corona of the Hale-Bopp comet.
And you can see that in the September 6, 1996 Hubble picture that has just been posted of the comet.
It does not look like a normal Hubble photograph.
It is much less clear.
He's right about that.
So I feel that Well, it's true that science has at times successfully integrated new material.
In this particular case, it's important that the pressure be kept up, because this is the kind of datum that is easy to just let slide by if you can, because it's too hard to deal with otherwise.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Yes, hi.
This is Marilyn calling from North Dakota.
Hello, Marilyn.
Hi.
This is a little bit off the track for Whitley, but What if we turned our world off for a week, occasionally, to get rid of this greenhouse effect that we're having?
The ozone problem's so bad.
Is that in your line at all, Whitley?
Just think about it.
We are going to, and just to reply very briefly, oddly enough, this relates to the book I have coming out, which I really ought to mention when I'm on the air.
Yeah, please do, go ahead.
I have a book coming out on Uh, January the 7th called The Secret School, uh, which is about, uh, uh, recapturing the innocence of childhood and returning to it, uh, armed with the wisdom that we've gained as adults and as a, it's called preparation for contact.
It's a whole, a whole new way of looking at this experience and all of those of us who have had childhood experiences, it's a chance to integrate those experiences in, into our whole The whole structure of our lives, I mean childhood encounter experience.
With regard to what's going to happen, actually happen in nature, I think that the important thing is that we're going to have to face that the human population has already grown so substantially that we are going to have an incredibly profound effect on nature over the next few years.
Nature is going to either have to become a managed system, or it's going to go out of control.
That is flat.
Period.
There are many things that are threatened by such a statement, as you well know.
As I will, absolutely.
But I do think that the human species, over the past 25 years, as much as we run ourselves down, In terms of the environmental response that we've made so far, we've done quite a bit.
And the institutions are evolving.
We'll do more.
I think we'll win this, but I think it's going to be a near thing.
We will learn how many people this planet can hold.
We're going to find that out, because I think we're going to get to the limit of human population within the next 50 years.
We'll find what that limit is.
I absolutely agree with you.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Good morning.
Hi, Art and Whitley.
Hi.
Pleasure to speak to you both.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in L.A.
ABC.
All right.
And, well, I'd like to, first before I continue, I'd like to say, Art, thanks for introducing me to shortwave radio.
You bet.
That was great.
I think the caller before the break had a lot of very good points.
Yeah, I do too.
But, you know, we're living at very different times right now, so I don't think a lot of scientists would get the same respect as back in In those days, what he was talking about.
Well, history is replete with scientific jumps, with discoveries, that have been made indeed, but it's also replete with crucifixions.
Yes, you're right, that's correct.
It's a very mixed bag.
And it appears that the communities, right now, a lot of different areas of the scientific community are up against data that fundamentally challenge
their paradigms.
As Einstein's data, to a degree, did challenge some very fundamental paradigms at that time,
but not as completely as some of the natural observations that appear to be being made now.
So it's a slightly different picture right now than it was then.
All right, Caller?
I also think this information is very important for just the regular people out there
to at least be exposed to.
Um, uh.
Uh...
Alright.
Pretty much, I mean, we should know what's going on.
I really hate to hear all these things about Zionists, like, kind of keeping it down low and, you know, you're not, well, it's not ready to be released to the public.
All right, well, I don't think that they're doing this Uh, in some great conspiratorial way.
No, I don't, I would agree with you there.
I think it's, it's all very explainable.
You don't have to get into any conspiracy theories to explain it.
It's more sociological than it is conspiratorial.
Precisely.
Precisely.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Yes, sir.
Uh, Frank from St.
Louis.
Hi, Frank.
Yes, sir.
I'm going to play a six-year-old African American, so I wanted to let you know that you have everybody out here listening.
Great.
Uh, I've been, uh, taping and listening to people from Richard Oakland on down.
And Mr. Strever made a comment that kind of went by earlier, saying that this may be a collective of individuals
with one mind and one moral ethic, different from our own.
Well, it sounds to me like you've just described the morgue.
Well, that's interesting.
I was actually talking about that with somebody today and so the result was that for the first time in my life,
the concept of the morgue came into my mind.
And for the listeners who don't know what that is, it's something in Star Trek.
The morgue is essentially a creature with many different bodies.
And it seeks to assimilate other species into its system and to make them all part of it
so that everybody loses their individuality and it all becomes part of the work.
Yeah.
However in this particular case what I think we're dealing with is something that is not aggressive in that particular way.
Again, if it was aggressive in that way, we would be part of the board now.
The way in which it's been aggressive has been in apparently going after the
physical and genetic material that we possess.
That's where it's been much more aggressive than going after a... A lot of our mainstream media is rather borg-like now.
Yeah, maybe they've been bored, but they're getting a little boring.
I'm going to get shot for that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
My name's Jessica and I'm from Pierce, California.
Hi, Jessica.
Hi.
I was wondering, for Whitley, more about visitation.
So we're actually off the comments.
I've had them ever since I was a little kid, ever since I can remember.
Fortunately, I don't remember anything bad about them.
But I was wondering more with you, do these things, do these visitations come more on your doing or their doing?
Because I don't seem to have any control over it.
It has always been absolutely out of my control until the past about two years, three years, and it's become much more in my control now.
Now they show up in the context of responding to specific needs and questions that are articulated in one way or another by me, and they don't show up at other times in my life, at least very rarely.
Like, for example, in 1994, I probably had 50 or 60 encounters.
In 1996, so far, I've had four.
And each one of them has been extremely conscious and has started when I was awake.
It's been very, very different from the way it was in the past.
It's much less automatic and arbitrary.
It's gradually focusing into a relationship.
Slowly but surely, and it's beginning to be functional as a relationship.
The last one that I had, it seemed to come, it was strange, there were these beings, like the leader or something, I was kind of confused at the time, but seemed to be the leader, and they Had me sort of levitated and they took this metal like pyramid type shape thing and they took it from like the third eye and went down my body and then I don't really remember anything after that but I know that like a week and a half after that I was like totally high.
Yeah.
I mean and it's I had so much energy I couldn't believe it.
You know there's a very specific practice involving opening the third eye that is a matter of connecting that particular part of your body to the solar plexus down in the center of your body and it sounds to me like something happened to you along the lines of they did that but really really well and you got into touch with some I've got some powerful energy from that.
I've been thinking about it and I'm getting ready to actually, finally, after three or four years of struggling with it, to create a videotape about this whole meditation process that I've learned from him.
What you described is very familiar to me.
It's important because the opening of the third eye, which is I feel like I know you.
very much of an organic part of the body is an incredibly valuable tool.
When you open your third eye you also open your mind and you begin to become a completely
new kind of person.
All right, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hi.
Whitley, I feel like I know you.
I've read all your books.
Oh, thanks.
And there's two things I want to say.
both sides. And there's two things I want to say. Um...
First of all, I read a couple of Taylor Caldwell books where she read 1,500 books to write them.
And it was about St.
Luke and St.
Paul.
And after the crucifixion, the sun disappeared from the sky.
And this was recorded also in Mayan history.
And the other night, I don't know who it was, but they said this thing will block out the sun.
And I thought, wow, maybe that's what it was.
You know?
Well, we're jumping to conclusions here, but... Yeah, we're going pretty far here.
Since it's 122 million miles away at its closest approach, based on the trajectory it's on now, It's not likely that anything like that will happen.
However, if this object leaves the immediate... We've already certainly seen it move around in many photographs.
If it leaves the orbit of Hale-Bopp, then we'll have a whole new ballgame.
That's going to create a stir, if it comes out from behind the...
Yeah, I'm calling from Canada.
I'd just like to touch on a point.
The astronomer you guys are talking about is releasing this information.
That'll get attention. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and
Art Bell. Hello.
Hi, Art. Hi, Whitley. How's it going?
Yeah, I'm calling from Canada.
Yes, sir.
I'd just like to touch on a point. The astronomer you guys are talking about that is releasing
this information.
Hopefully.
If something were to happen, that his career be discredited or, you know, you understand
Yeah, sure.
Um, don't you think, come April, when this thing is passing, then it's gonna be so huge, everyone's just gonna look up the night sky, and there it is?
I'm sure you'd be able to see it with the naked eye.
It's not clear that the Hale-Bopp comet is gonna be that big.
Remember, it's gonna be very far away.
We'll know by, uh, about January the 15th.
If you can see the comet with the tail, with the naked eye, On the eastern horizon, about 12 degrees above the eastern horizon, about an hour before dawn, by January the 15th, then you will be able to see it with the naked eye through April.
Yeah, because we're not sure how far behind or away this... Well, we know how far away it is, we just don't know how much, how reflective the gases are going to be that are coming off of it.
Okay, I have another point, a little funny note for you.
In case of an alien attack, the ban on prayer in the classroom will temporarily be lifted.
That's an interesting concept.
Let's hope so.
Well, all right.
So that's where we are, and I'm glad you came on the air tonight, Willie, because I wanted to update everybody on where we are, where the astronomer is, why there was no news conference, the fact that it's probably coming up very shortly, and that we are going to, I guess, be patient.
Yes, and the next step, as far as I'm concerned, is to get some other competent amateurs looking at Chuck's data.
All right.
Where would be a good collection point for these amateurs who would like to volunteer to be on this committee?
Because I agree with you, it's the only way we can get any action here.
I think it probably would be more efficient to send copies of the pictures to them.
And let them do it in their own context, especially if they all have, some of them will have equipment that they may want to use.
No, but I mean, for them to contact us to say, I would like to be part of this, do you have a facility for that on your webpage?
Not really.
I mean, I think they should contact by email, but I actually had in mind that I could find them.
I mean, I know a number of amateur astronomers, and I have four or five in mind already, but if there's anyone who
wants to join this and has got a top drawer four-star amateur credentials, which to me means the
possession and a knowledge of the use of top-level amateur equipment and a long history in the
amateur astronomy community, then please do write. That would be wonderful. All right. In addition, if
there's any hams out there, I'd be glad to handle that end of it. The ways to contact
me are well known, and if anybody out there is receiving a signal, there are a lot of ears, then
I certainly want to know about it, and you can believe that we will make it public.
So if the hams would contact me and the astronomers would contact Whitley, we will, we'll go from here.
Sounds reasonable.
Absolutely.
All right, Whitley, you're a real trooper to be up this late.
What is it about 5 o'clock?
About 5 o'clock here.
I'm going to go take a nap that's going to last until noon.
Whitley Streber, thank you.
Thanks a lot, Art.
It's been a pleasure to be on, and thanks, everyone, for listening.
Take care, my friend.
Good night.
All right.
That's Whitley, and the rest, I guess, is up to you to sort of chew on and decide for yourself.
of what path you're going to pursue with regard to this continuing information.
I'm Art Bell, and you're listening to the CBC Radio Network.
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