Whitley Strieber and Chuck Schramack detail 161 photos of an anomalous object near comet Hale-Bopp, dismissed by NASA despite size consistency across exposures. Strieber calls for independent review by astronomers like Ivan Dyer and Dr. John Gleidman, comparing resistance to Galileo’s persecution, while callers link the phenomenon to Nibiru, biblical events, and third-eye activations—including Jessica’s levitation experience involving a pyramid-shaped object. Strieber’s upcoming A Secret School (Jan 7) ties visitation accounts to humanity’s looming environmental limits, suggesting extraterrestrial intelligence may be preparing for contact amid growing skepticism of paradigm-shifting discoveries. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, let me, just for you and for the listeners who have not heard, let me reiterate a proposal I have.
We were talking to another amateur astronomer, Ivan Dyer, in L.A., who has been doing this for 45 years and is a real, very much of an expert in terms of the equipment he possesses.
He's not going to be blinded by paradigms that he doesn't want to see broken.
And what we're interested in is the possibility of assembling a committee of, say, about five people like that.
I know another one in New York who is more of an amateur astrophysicist than astronomer, Dr. John Gleidman, who has the same kind of open mindset.
He's going to tell it like he sees it pretty much.
To look at your photographs and come to independent opinions about what they show.
And then to come together, maybe, on the program and submit reports about what they feel these photographs represent.
And then we would have, along with you, a substantial group of amateur experts who would not be threatened by the danger of losing their livelihoods if they made statements about this and would not be blinded by a paradigm that they're afraid to break.
Well, great, because I can certainly arrange to have the, I know with that many pictures, there'd be some costs involved in reproducing pictures and so on and so forth and getting them moved around and phone calls, and I can certainly make sure that all of those costs are taken care of.
All right, Chuck, let's clear something up for the audience, too, because all of the publicity surrounding Hailbop, since your images, every story that has come out literally in newspapers from Albuquerque to Phoenix to San Jose to you name it, an Associated Press story, MSNBC did a front page story on it and so forth and so on.
They all try to take it on by referring only to your photograph.
And another thing I noticed, this is really something to see NASA and JPL actually go out of their way to debunk an amateur astronomer in Houston, Texas.
To me, that was incidentally, when NASA and JPL got in on it, that was the tip-off that I saw the old cover-up, we must not let the public know there's anything unusual in the universe coming into play.
Because as soon as I thought to myself, my Lord, how must he feel?
Here's an amateur astronomer with a very legitimate and straightforward discovery who finds instead that the whole that they're all throwing dynamite at him for no apparent reason.
It must be a very weird experience.
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It is.
I'm to the point now where I'm just kind of sitting back and enjoying it.
At first, I was trying to answer every email, and I was answering maybe up to 20 or 30 an hour.
and one thing, the JPL says that CCDs are more sensitive to orange and the lower light waves, which is very true because this supposedly was an orange or red star there.
But what they never asked me, and what has never come out, is I shot that through two filters, a CCD filter and a green filter.
then one other thing, Chuck, there is new information that you didn't hear because you didn't hear the first part of the program, but Whitley, earlier in the week, contacted the British...
Oh, yes, we're aware of that, and we're looking into it, was the phrase.
I guess you could say at a pinch that the man was simply saying they were aware of the story, but I don't think so.
The way the conversation ran, it was clear that they were aware of the object, no matter what they may say in retrospect.
At the time I first talked to them, they were aware of the object, in my opinion.
That's what I was being told.
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It's interesting to see the backtracking done.
Of course, I wouldn't have read your comments, Whitley, on the Japanese observatory.
And that odd shuffle.
So there's something going on.
And, you know, I followed the web.
I sensed back in May that there's something going on here because the good pictures started disappearing.
The observatories were posting pictures from smaller and smaller telescopes.
In fact, the night that a lot of this broke, the night of your famous Thanksgiving broadcast, I noticed that the JPL Weber Comet homepage, they threw up a picture, a new picture, and they hadn't had one on there since August.
They threw up a new picture, but it was from the observatory in Slovenia using a not comparable to mine.
I thought, I ought to donate my telescope to Slovenia.
Now, I have to tell you that to any astronomer who's participating in this and who's listening to this program, and I know from my email that a lot of you are listening to it, you need really to look at the morality of that.
But I look at it, and to me, it looks like two objects of equal size and brightness.
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It's pretty unmistakable.
And I have enough experience.
And of course, if you even see the star, if you can see the star background there, and it's literally within 10 minutes, the thing was there, and 10 minutes later, it wasn't there.
And the separation on the nucleus to that eye, you're talking about a distance there that is probably comparable from the Earth to the Moon, or maybe at least half that distance.
Some kind of sane response from the astronomical community rather than what we've gotten so far, which has not been adequate.
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And I think combined, you know, in my mind, the other major factor, I smelled a cover-up before any of this started and was wondering and wondering aloud, where are the good pictures?
All right, there's the man who started it all, Chuck Schramack.
And it sounds as though he's doing okay and back to work and so forth and so on.
But I thought a lot of what he just said was rather quite revealing.
And I think the people who say it was just a star really have got to examine his photographs of the same area taken under the same conditions, reimaged where there is just a star and nothing even remotely like what he originally imaged.
And then if they can answer that, then they've got to answer at least five more photographs from various locations that seem to show the same thing.
I have a hunch that this does have something to do with the whole gamut of strange things that we have been observing over the past 50 years, from UFOs to close encounters to crop circles and any number of other different anomalous things that appear to be an attempt on the part of an intelligence that is very,
very different from ours in many respects to communicate with us and to make us aware of its presence.
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In Phoenix, the stonewalling and obfuscation by astronomers and scientists about Hellbop is to be expected.
The anomalies that they find challenge Their beliefs.
The problem arises from their belief that they know how the universe works and that it is impossible for other beings to traverse the vast distances of space.
I submit for your consideration, remember basic algebra, remember how many exceptions, special cases, fudge factors there were.
Well, if you extrapolate those fudge factors, by the time you get to quantum mechanics and astrophysics, I think the scientific explanations may be just a bit off.
And when you begin to challenge a set of beliefs that people have built their identity on, you are basically challenging their religious dogma.
This is a real interesting one, and I think it, here's why I think it may be.
Back in the, arguably, they showed up, at least they emerged into our more ordinary world back in the 40s and late 40s and early 50s.
There's a certain amount of evidence at that time, judging from what happened in July of 1952 over Washington, that there was some kind of an attempt going on to communicate with the government.
Maybe succeeded, maybe failed.
In either case, after that, they went underground and they made a direct appeal to individuals.
They began to approach the individual in his most secret, most intimate places, in his home, in his bed, in the middle of the night, penetrating the sexual body of mankind and appealing to the psyche of mankind, as we've discussed earlier, in two totally different ways.
Now, here this object comes, and it's a totally different kind of communication, but one that fits that whole pattern, because here it is suddenly appealing for the first time to another kind of social institution, the scientific community, and doing it publicly.
And if they are trying to develop some means of communicating with us and of not simply staring across space at each other like we do with the dolphins and not really know what's going on in the other's mind, but really participating in our lives and us in theirs, it's a logical next step to attempt.
Can they break through the paradigm that locks this community into its belief system?
The ordinary individual, actually, has, I've said it many times from reading all the letters I've gotten.
The ordinary person who has this experience, whether they have a good experience or a bad experience, they're much more capable of dealing with it than the authorities.
The authorities are the ones who are scared.
We're not, actually.
We're much less scared than the...
I think that the average man is far less frightened than the average general.
First of all, I wanted to tell you briefly, this is the first time I've ever been public about this, but I've been contacting and have been visited on a regular basis for consciously for a little over a year now, October 9th and 10th of 1995, while I was camping on Mount Shasta with a friend.
I did it because I just thought it was, you know, it was really a scary experience, but goodness, it was such a fun adventure, too.
I mean, I thought the book would be popular.
That's why I wrote it.
I mean, I didn't know how popular, certainly, but I had no idea that there would be all the condemnation and sort of posturing that went on, actually.
It was amazing.
And so I'm not surprised to see what's happening with the astronomical community.
And it's interesting that there's never, in that community, there's been very little suggestion that this is connected with aliens in any way, at least not overtly.
The response is the same because the object is unexpected.
And that is the real problem.
It's not that they're afraid of aliens.
It's that they can't handle what they don't expect.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Whitley, Streeber, and Art Bell.
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Hi.
Yes, Art and Whitley.
It's been an absolutely incredible program.
I'm calling from just outside of Boston in Massachusetts.
My name is Ben.
And I've got a few quick things I want to say.
I'll make them really fast.
You were talking about Galileo a little while back and how he was castigated and all.
I think we're forgetting, we lose sight often that what we're dealing with in big time religion, big time astronomy, you might say, is a form of religion in itself.
And in a sense, we're taking on something somewhat similar to, let's say, the Catholic Church or something.
There are a lot of really deep-set orthodox precepts that are going to have to be just very gently and gradually dislodged, and it's not going to be something that happens precipitously.
Another thing I wanted to say was just that I think we're all tending to focus too much on trying to get approval from these very same sources with this belief that somehow this will give us, the people that perceive this thing in a different sort of way, more credence.
We don't need their approval.
We need to go ahead.
And they're the caboose in this whole thing.
We can march ahead.
And it really doesn't matter whether they approve or agree or not.
You know, I'm tired of holding back to wait for these cabooses to catch up to us.
Let them take their own feet because they get left behind in the dust.
So be it.
So what?
Third thing I just want to mention really quickly is back maybe half an hour ago as I was listening to you folks, my mind all of a sudden flashed on something that I've heard in the past.
An author, Zachariah Sitchin, has written a number of books.
I've never read any of them, much to my regret, but I've heard him interviewed a number of times, and he seems to talk about some kind of a planet-like object that returns to this region of space, you know, this region around Earth, about once every 3,000 years.
Everybody who has not read Zechariah Sitchin's book, The Twelfth Planet, ought to go out and pick up a copy, go to the library and get a copy and read it.
I've been reading it all week.
And I have to tell you, if he's right about this, he is absolutely one of the geniuses of the age.
But in any case, it's an absolutely fascinating read that enables you to open your mind to the possibility that this object may be something returning rather than something coming for the first time.
The same orbit that the same timeline that Zacharias' 12th Planet is on.
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Nibiru.
Okay, now let's average that down to 35,000 years for the summit, and that would put its last appearance in the time frame of 1,500 B.C. I think you mean 3,500 years.
Well, I believe, okay.
Well, that's about the time of the X. That's the time frame of the Exodus.
And there's an author out there called Emmanuel Velikovsky that an older author who wrote some extraordinary books also.
Yeah, well, the last best one was 1950, Worlds in Collision.
Yes.
And he discusses, he researched this time frame of 1500 B.C. where there was worldwide catastrophes.
That's when Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt.
And an unknown story, I mean, the thing that's really been kept quiet is like eight out of ten Hebrews died.
And the rabbis sort of kept that quiet.
You know, the sword of God destroyed eight out of ten Hebrews.
And I specifically asked her to ask him for the frequency.
And it was interesting.
She said he was very tight-lipped when he talked about the signal, almost as if he was concerned that he shouldn't speak about it at all, which was an interesting response.
My question is, do either of you know whether Dr. Courtney Brown has used his scientific remote viewing technique to determine whether the astronomer will come forward?
And if not, you might suggest it to him.
And if he's not going to, perhaps you should release the information anyway without giving his name.
If it appears that the system has failed the public completely and that the man has been compelled or has decided that he must remain forever silent, then of course we will.
I think that if we present the amateur data in a credible manner to the professional community and it still remains silent and the debunking becomes obviously irrational, then that's when it's time.
Well, you know, the interesting thing about that is this.
There are two things that are probably true.
Probably Halebop did pass at that time, and there was an upheaval on this planet at that time that was profound, that changed civilization very, very deeply, that brought an end to the Archaic age.
The Minoan Empire collapsed.
The pre-classical, I've forgotten the name of the Empire in Greece collapsed.
There were upheavals all over the Middle East.
There were upheavals in Egypt.
All over the world, there were weather anomalies and dramatic changes.
There was the volcano at Santorini in the central eastern Mediterranean blew off at that time.
It was, in other words, an interesting period like ours, with the difference that it was characterized by a great deal of natural upheaval, which has not been true of our period so far.
Although there's been a fair amount of it, it hasn't been as dramatically aggressive affecting civilization as it was then.
We don't really know what the significance of this is now.
There's no evidence that the presence of the comet will have any effect on Earth at all.
It's going to be, as Ivan spoke about earlier tonight, quite far away, 122 million miles, even farther away than the sun, at its closest approach.
Okay, Mr. Streeber, with your experiences of abduction and knowledge of ETs, if this comes to first contact, in your opinion, how do you think that we will be approached?
It's going to be a very stressful experience, and it will be devised that way.
Because as I've said earlier, this experience is in its overall structure, it's evolutionary.
I think we should be very cautious about the experience, just in general.
I always advise that.
This is how it appears to me.
But evolution, remember, to the creatures that are experiencing it, is a difficulty.
It's difficult.
It's only afterwards, when you look at the results, that you think, oh, what a wonderful thing has happened.
But while it's happening, it isn't easy.
When I saw Independence Day come out last summer, I thought to myself, it's quite possible that the visitors are getting closer and that this has something to do with it.
The reason Being that when they come into the individual's life, they come on a tide of fear.
The first thing that happens to you when they, usually they're in your life when you're a child, and it's wonderful.
Then they go away and they come back again when you're an adult, and it's terrible.
And you are then in a position of you have to overcome your fear.
And you do that not by convincing yourself that they're not dangerous, because they won't let you do that.
The more you try to convince yourself of that, as it happened to me and many other people, the more dangerous they seem.
You have to just surrender to the situation completely.
I think it's going to be tough, but I can guarantee you one thing.
We'll get through it.
The individual always gets through this thing.
You just don't find people who are destroyed by the contact experience.
A few probably.
But the great majority of people who have it get through it.
It seems impossible, but they do.
And they grow from it.
Most of them.
I think as a species and as a society, we certainly will.
Yeah, a tough, difficult situation to handle, but one that in the end is going to have positive benefits for mankind.
That's my feeling.
I don't there's certain things I don't buy into anymore.
I used to, I used to really fear the idea that they were going to sort of take us over in some way, but there's no, The problem is, if this is an invasion, they're not using the most valuable tool that they could possess, which would be surprise.
If it was an invasion, it would already be over.
If it is an invasion, we have nothing to worry about because they're no good at it at all.
There, I couldn't agree with you more, and that is why I always say caution, caution, caution, but keep taking positive steps forward because an invasion of consciousness can be turned to our benefit if we're strong.
What a pleasure to be talking to both of you gentlemen.
Thanks.
I'd like to make a comment and ask Whitley a question, kind of a little bit off the subject.
But first of all, I think that we as a culture suffer from a little bit of instant gratification.
And, you know, we want instant food.
We want instant entertainment.
And I think we want instant answers and solutions to incredibly complex problems.
And I really think that instead of talking about a timeframe of a week or so, if this astrophysicist does come forth, I think we could think in terms of maybe a month or two, even more, whatever it takes.
And I also agree with an earlier caller who said that we really don't need the verification of any of these astrophysicists to know what seems to be taking place.
They're trying to, but the public's got to keep the pressure up.
I mean, that's why I went on in the first place.
I thought to myself, I'm going to be accused by my friends in the scientific community of taking this out in the wrong way and causing it, causing being counterproductive.
And those accusations have come.
But I keep saying back to these people, there's data in the public record now.
It's there.
It's there.
Art has brought it out, and it's there.
You can't get away from it now.
It's there.
And that is what we're doing here.
And we have to keep that pressure up.
When the committee is finished, we come back on, we talk about the results, we make sure that the astronomical community, the scientific community know that the public is out there, that we are aware of this, and that we have substantial, effective reasons to believe that there is something going on.
Okay, well, first of all, Arthur's first book was, I think, in the late 60s, and then he collaborated with Chentry Lee, and I think they're on their fourth book right now.
And the whole significance of it was like a visitor, kind of like an emissary, like a huge cylindrical object that came through in a cometary path that came around the Earth.
It was set in the future.
And it kept visiting over and over again like a comet.
Okay, I was just wondering if you have any contact.
Are you able, like in the same kind of realm of being a writer and science fiction writer in certain different aspects, do you have contact with Arthur C. Clarke?
What I have sent you on the net, and let me know if it doesn't come through right, but I think it will, Whitley, is something entitled Leaked Photo, HBST19.jpg.
That's sitting in your mailbox for later.
It's an astonishing photograph.
Astonishing.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber and Art Bell.
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Hi, Arch.
I apologize.
I'm on a cell phone, and there's a slight chance I'm in a mountainous area.
I have a quotation I'd like to open with first, and then I have a question for Whitley.
The quotation, it's actually more of a paraphrase.
I can't remember the exact words, but it goes like this.
All that we have of knowledge compared to what we don't know about the universe is like a candle in the dark.
Yet it is infinitely precious, for it is all that we know and all that we have.
That was a direct quotation, paraphrased slightly, from Albert Einstein.
And Whitley Striever said a little over an hour ago that scientists don't get recognition for things they discover that are unexpected, but rather they get recognition for things that are expected.
He also said that when they discover things that are unexpected, instead of getting recognition, they are in danger.
They lose jobs and such as that.
That's exactly the opposite of the way science does work.
I can give you three examples.
No one expected Albert Einstein to discover things such as special and general relativity.
Yet when he did, scientists all over the world rushed to verify it.
Within 11 years of the publication of his theory of special relativity, it was verified in 1917.
And two years later, in 1919, he received the Physics Nobel Prize.
And yet, Albert Einstein was completely unknown at the time he published his theory.
In fact, he was working for the Swiss Patent Examiner's Office.
He did not have a tenured position.
If you'd like a more recent example, I can't remember the man's name, but he is at the University of California of Irvine.
And he was doing research on halogen chemistry.
And as a byproduct of that, he just accidentally discovered that certain chemicals, and I'm sure you know about this, can affect the ozone layer.
And four years ago, or perhaps it was five years ago, 1991, he received the Nobel Prize for something that was, again, completely unexpected.
The one is obvious, and he can be reached in Ithaca, New York at Cornell University, where he is a tenured professor of astronomy.
Dr. Carl Sagan.
He's in the phone book.
The second name is less well known, but he's a world-famous science fiction writer and also a Ph.D. in physics and astronomy.
His name is Dr. Robert L. Forward.
He can be reached at the Hughes Research Laboratories in Malibu, California.
He's also in the Los Angeles Phone Directory.
And the third name would be another world-famous science fiction writer and professor of physics, again, at the University of California at Irvine, Dr. Gregory Benford.
He lives in Laguna Beach and is in the phone book.
And actually, I can also obtain the numbers of all of these people if you would like me to get them for you.
Believe me, we're happy to pursue any or all of those contacts.
Yeah.
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Now, I am as open-minded as anyone.
However, there's a famous saying, and I don't mean this pejoratively to anyone in particular, but it is possible to have a mind that's so open that the brains fall out.
I try to maintain a certain amount of skepticism, and I keep coming back to the fact that there may well be something there, but we seem to be jumping to tremendous conclusions on very little evidence.
There's nothing wrong with that as long as you keep firmly in mind that we have very little evidence.
All we have is evidence that there is something that is reflecting or emitting light, possibly apparently in the same region of the sky as this comet.
So to, I mean, actually postulate that it's coexistent in the same region of space as a comet and not just apparently, much less that it's anything other than a natural object.
You know, you have to go for the simple explanation before you go for the more complex.
I think the last caller was entirely reasonable with his suggestions regarding Dr. Sagan, Dr. Forward, and Dr. Benford.
And we'll pursue those.
I think that I do want to say, though, that so far from people of that caliber, we have been unable to get a responsive reply.
And in the cases that we have had a responsive reply, it has quickly been taken back.
So we are a little suspicious of what information we're able to get from the traditional scientific community, and I think reasonably so.
I'm unable to say, as a talk show host, that this object is some great ship coming to take us all home.
I have no idea.
I simply have said and maintain now, there is enough evidence that I would say an examination by the mainstream community is demanded.
Absolutely demanded.
Not enough evidence to say that here we have some great alien ship headed our way, but certainly enough evidence to suggest there is something utterly anomalous up there that certain people are very much afraid to talk about.
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And in conclusion, in response to the last caller, I would say if we don't come forward and we don't ask these questions, then who will?
Whidley, how would you respond to that last caller?
Well, I think you made a couple of quite good points.
The first and most important one is not to forget that we don't know what this is.
It's like all of the stories that go around where everybody's got all the visitors all figured out and where their planet they're from, etc.
We don't even know what they are yet.
We mustn't forget that.
Nature has proved to be full of quite a number of strange things, and it might be that this object is a natural object of some very strange kind.
That remains to be seen.
The second point that he made in making reference to some of the more notable successes in the history of science with regard to opening itself to new discoveries were important too.
And I think that it should be remembered that the jury is still out.
Initially, the administrations that run these telescopes have backed off of this, probably because they have no support internally and don't know the faintest idea of what to say about it.
Most likely, it's because some of the astronomers involved have not been studying the matter.
On the other hand, Charles Schramack suggests that there has been an effort to conceal the actual condition of the area around the corona, the Halebau comet.
And you can see that in the September the 6th, 1996 Hubble picture that has just been posted of the comet.
It does not look like a normal Hubble photograph.
It is much less clear.
He's right about that.
So I feel that while it's true that science has at times successfully integrated new material, in this particular case, it's important that the pressure be kept up because this is the kind of datum that is easy to just let slide by if you can because it's too hard to deal with otherwise.
This is a little bit off the track for Whitley, but what if we turned our worm off for a week occasionally to get rid of this greenhouse effect that we're having, the ozone problem so bad?
We are going to, and just to reply very briefly, oddly enough, this relates to the book I have coming out, which I really ought to mention when I'm on the air.
I have a book coming out on January the 7th called A Secret School, which is about recapturing the innocence of childhood and returning to it armed with the wisdom that we've gained as adults.
And it's called Preparation for Contact.
It's a whole new way of looking at this experience.
And all of those of us who have had childhood experiences, it's a chance to integrate those experiences into the whole structure of our lives.
So I mean childhood encounter experience.
With regard to what's going to happen, actually happen in nature, I think that the important thing is that we're going to have to face that the human population has already grown so substantially that we are going to have an incredibly profound effect on nature over the next few years.
Nature is going to either have to become a managed system or it's going to go out of control.
But I do think that the human species over the past 25 years, As much as we run ourselves down, in terms of the environmental response that we've made so far, we've done quite a bit.
And the institutions are evolving.
We'll do more.
I think we'll win this, but I think it's going to be a near thing.
We will learn how many people this planet can hold.
We're going to find that out, because I think we're going to get to the limit of human population within the next 50 years.
I think The Caller Before the Break had a lot of very good points.
Yeah, I do too.
But, you know, we're living in very different times right now, so I don't think a lot of scientists would get the same respect as back in those days what he was talking about.
And it appears that the community is right now, a lot of different areas of the scientific community are up against data that fundamentally challenge their paradigms.
As Einstein's data, to a degree, did challenge some very fundamental paradigms at that time, but not as completely as some of the natural observations that appear to be being made now.
So it's a slightly different picture right now than it was then.
I've been taping and listening to people from Richard Oakland on down.
And Mr. Streeber made a comment that kind of went by earlier, saying that this may be a collective of individuals with one mind and one moral ethic different from our own.
Well, it sounds to me like you just described the Borg.
I was actually talking about that with somebody today.
And so the result was that for the first time in my life, the concept of the Borg came into my mind.
And for the listeners who don't know what that is, it's something in Star Trek.
The Borg is essentially a creature with many different bodies.
And it seeks to assimilate other species into its system and to make them all part of it so that everybody loses their individuality and it all becomes part of the Borg.
However, in this particular case, what I think we're dealing with is something that is not aggressive in that particular way.
Again, if it was aggressive in that way, we would be part of the Borg now.
The way in which it's been aggressive has been apparently going after the physical and genetic material that we possess.
That's where it's been much more aggressive than going after us.
Well, it has always been absolutely out of my control until the past about two years, or three years.
And it's become much more in my control now.
And now they show up in the context of responding to specific needs and questions that are articulated in one way or another by me.
And they don't show up at other times in my life, at least very rarely.
Like, for example, in 1994, I probably had 50 or 60 encounters.
In 1996 so far, I've had four.
And each one of them has been extremely conscious and has started when I was awake.
It's been very, very different from the way it was in the past.
It's much less automatic and arbitrary.
It's gradually focusing into a relationship, slowly but surely, and it's beginning to be functional as a relationship.
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The last one that I had, it seemed to come, it was strange.
There were these beings, like the leader or something, I was kind of confused at the time, but seemed to be the leader.
And they had me sort of levitated, and they took this metal, like pyramid-type shaped thing, and they took it from like the third eye and went down my body.
And then I don't really remember anything after that.
But I know that like a week and a half after that, I was like totally high.
I mean, and I had so much energy, I couldn't believe it.
You know, there's a very specific practice involving opening the third eye that is a matter of connecting that particular part of your body to the solar plexus down in the center of your body.
And it sounds to me like something happened to you along the lines of they did that, but really, really well.
And you got into touch with some powerful energy from that.
I've been thinking about it, and I'm getting ready to actually finally, after three or four years of struggling with it, to create a videotape about this whole meditation process that I've learned from it.
And what you described is very familiar to me.
And it's important because the opening of the third eye, which is quite real, it's very much of an organic part of the body, is incredibly valuable tool.
When you open your third eye, you also open your mind.
And you begin to become a completely new kind of person then.
since it's 122 million miles away at its closest approach based on the trajectory it's on now it's not likely that anything like that will happen however if this object leaves the immediate uh...
It's not clear that the hailbaugh comet is going to be that big.
Remember, it's going to be very far away.
We'll know by about January the 15th.
If you can see the comet with the tail, with the naked eye, on the eastern horizon, about 12 degrees above the eastern horizon, about an hour before dawn, by January the 15th, then you will be able to see it with the naked eye through April.
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Yeah, because we're not sure how far behind or away this.
So that's where we are, and I'm glad you came on the air tonight, Whitley, because I wanted to update everybody on where we are, where the astronomer is, why there was no news conference, the fact that it's probably coming up very shortly, and that we are going to, I guess, be patient.
I think it probably would be more efficient to send copies of the pictures to them and let them do it in their own context, especially if some of them will have equipment that they may want to use.
But if there's anyone who wants to join this and has got a top drawer four-star amateur credentials, which to me means the possession and a Knowledge of the use of top-level amateur equipment and a long history in the amateur astronomy community, then please do write.
In addition, if there's any hams out there, I'd be glad to handle that end of it.
The ways to contact me are well known, and if anybody out there is receiving a signal, there are a lot of ears, then I certainly want to know about it, and you can believe that we will make it public.
So if the hams would contact me and the astronomers would contact Whitley, we will go from here.
That's Whitley, and the rest, I guess, is up to you to sort of chew on and decide for yourself what path you're going to pursue with regard to this continuing information.
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