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Dec. 2, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Hale Bopp - Dr. Lee Shargel

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unidentified		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		It's a very, very interesting morning.
		Water discovered on the moon.
		On the moon.
		Lake-sized water, maybe 100 feet deep on the moon.
		The Pentagon will be announcing that later today.
		The Mars probe did not launch.
		Something went afoul with the computer.
		The launch now scheduled for 24 hours, roughly minus a few moments from the time it should have launched this morning.
		We'll be covering that in a moment.
		Well, let me read you a little bit of a facts that I've got here.
		Actually, email from Dr. Lee Chargell.
		Last week, Art, one of my colleagues, was able to obtain 17 classified photos of Halebaum.
		I can't reveal his name, nor the method used to extract these photos or others which have come into our possession.
		Suffice it to say, the photos of the comet show a distinct object causing a disturbance in the tail.
		This object was only visible for several hours due to the azimuth angle of the comet and the declination of the sun.
		The photos are authentic and very, very clear.
		No fuzzy detail at all.
		Whatever this object is, and no one seems to want to come out and say for sure, it is either trapped in the comet's gravity field or, yup, it is a probe or craft built by some intelligence.
		We have yet to determine.
		Either way, if you would like copies for posting or adding to the speculation, please call me and he gives me contact numbers, and I have done that, and he'll be on the air in a moment or a couple of moments.
		It's Christmas comes.
		Now, all the way, I believe, back east, Dr. Lee Chargel.
		Doctor, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you located?
unidentified		I'm located in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for getting up at this hour.
unidentified		Yes, and it's late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's after 4 o'clock in the morning in Fort Lauderdale.
		Would you fill us in, please, first on your background?
		You have a doctorate in what?
unidentified		I have a doctorate in materials science and also in robotics.
		That's primarily what I worked in.
		I worked for NASA and the Department of Defense for over 20 years until I left to become a full-time author and lecturer.
		And when I formed the Galactic Observer Foundation as the more or less frontman scientist for a group of other scientists that are still employed by those various agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are your doctorates from?
unidentified		Northeastern University.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very good.
		So you worked for NASA, you worked for the government, and you finally got out.
		How long ago did that occur?
unidentified		1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so your employment at NASA and the government's fairly recent then?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are really undergoing what I would call a flap.
		And I mean a flap.
		I aired quite a bit of material, a doctor, about Hailbop, the comet.
		And I'm right in the middle of a whirlwind of controversy.
		I have, from, I can't tell you how many sources now, word privately from astronomers that, oh yes, oh yes, we are indeed imaging something very unusual from Hailbop, but nobody.
		Well, nobody wants to stick their neck out, Doctor.
unidentified		Well, I'm sticking my neck out because I predicted this three years ago when I first wrote my book, Voice in the Mirror.
unidentified		And exactly what I wrote about is exactly what's happening right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did you write about?
unidentified		I wrote about an event that would take place very far from here.
		And just today in the news, it was reported by several scientists who now are saying that the cause for the extinction of the dinosaurs was by a large radiation pulse from a neutron star that passed through our solar system.
		Let me explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, please.
unidentified		Inside Hailbop is a probe, and that probe is sending a signal here to Earth, and it's been sending signals to other planets, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me stop you and say I've also received independent word, two important things.
		One is an astronomer has taken photographs clearly showing Hailbop at one of the major top 10 universities.
		Two, that they have received what appears to be an intelligent radio signal they're trying to decode now from Hailbob or the object near it or something out there.
		There's a signal coming from it.
		You confirm that?
unidentified		Not only do I confirm it, but I also confirm that it's already been decoded.
		And it's not a voice signal.
		The signals are mathematical symbols that make up pictures.
		And they keep repeating, 72 pictures over and over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		And these pictures are this.
		One of the pictures is a picture of our solar system.
		Another picture is a picture of another solar system.
		Other pictures are probably what are other solar systems, the trajectory of this probe, and other symbols which we cannot understand yet.
		But these pictures keep repeating over and over again.
		Two things.
		A greeting and a warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A greeting and a warning.
unidentified		Yes.
		And that's exactly what I wrote about in 1993.
		My book, Voice in the Mirror, The Final Apocalypse, details exactly what's happening right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A voice and a warning.
		Can you give us the substance of these?
		Do you know?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		The greeting is from a civilization that's not too far from here in astronomical terms.
		They're approximately 27 light years from this planet.
		The warning is in reference to a neutron pulse that is cascading through the galaxy, and it's going to come in the vicinity of this planet.
		And we have to do something, and they're going to help us do it, to prevent the excessive amount of radiation from penetrating our atmosphere.
		Wow.
		Just like what happened to the dinosaurs.
		This is yesterday in the news.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is certainly a new take on everything.
		Now, you claim to have...
		What is?
unidentified		HARP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		HARP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last week, you say in your facts, you obtained 17 classified photos of Halebaum.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't tell us where you got them.
unidentified		No, I can't tell you where they came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do they show?
unidentified		They show very, very clear pictures taken over several hours of the comet.
unidentified		And it's kind of hard to explain over the telephone, but let me just say this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the best you can.
unidentified		If anybody has ever seen the HST PRC 95-41 photo taken on October 5th, 1995, there is two definite objects in that Hubble picture.
unidentified		And that's because the Hubble was looking at it dead on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the one that they call Hailbop's eyes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What they're seeing is the tail passing over that object.
unidentified		Now, another important thing to consider, and everybody's talking about this ice that's been recently found on the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You have to remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be the source of a news conference by the Pentagon.
unidentified		How was that ice found?
unidentified		With the Clementine probe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And that was a classified probe.
		There's another one out there called StarMapper.
		Nobody knows about that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even I don't know about that one.
unidentified		Nobody does.
		Well, I'm saying nobody.
		Nobody in the public domain knows about it.
		That's another satellite that's taking some very interesting pictures out there of Hale Bop and some other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you something else to add to the mystery.
		As you know, the shuttle is up right now, and they have extended the shuttle's mission by one day.
		Now, they've done this at a moment when the shuttle door won't even open.
		In other words, they're very worried about that.
unidentified		They don't want anybody going outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have nevertheless, they have nevertheless extended the mission one day with a satellite outside, and from the sources, I'm getting from a lot of sources, that the reason they're doing this is get this, to get more images of, guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hailbob.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Isn't it interesting that the door doesn't open?
		It's always open before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		It's very curious that they don't want them to go outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why do you think that might be?
unidentified		Well, it's very possible that right now it would be hazardous to their health to be outside of the shuttle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that there are certainly dangers if there's a sun flare, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.
unidentified		No, that's not what I'm talking about.
		But just think if there was, let me put it to this way.
		Right now there's a project being undertaken by MIT, Caltech, and the NSF called LIGO.
		It's the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Observatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
unidentified		I'm also consulting on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
unidentified		It's a giant laser to detect gravity waves.
		Now, I first wrote about gravity waves in 1991, and that's also in my book.
		Now, these gravity waves pass very close to the planet Earth.
		Now, if you can imagine dropping a stone in a pond and the rings that emanate from that area where it enters the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, if there was no shoreline, those rings would just continue on to infinity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now, imagine the same thing happening in outer space.
		Giant waves of gravity traveling through space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine that.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now imagine if you, say, you were a surfer, a galactic surfer, and you had a ship like a surfboard and you got it into that wave on the crest of it.
		It would push you along much faster than if you were traveling under normal propulsion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understandable.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Now, I predict that there's a gravity wave passing through the vicinity of the Earth right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that's why they won't let them go out?
unidentified		Yes, because that gravity wave is pushing very, very high amounts of radiation ahead of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't think a thing's wrong with that door?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		When they get back, it'll work fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These images that you have of Hailbomb, they show a companion?
unidentified		Yes, they do.
unidentified		They show a definite object in the tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you make estimates, Doctor, of how large this companion is?
unidentified		At this time right now, I have not myself nor have my colleagues completed an analysis to determine exactly how big it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing is clear, Doctor, and that is that astronomical circles are absolutely buzzing.
		I mean, absolutely buzzing, but all below the surface.
		In other words, nobody's willing to come forward so far, with the exception of yourself.
unidentified		Well, I don't think that there's any reason for anybody to be fearful.
		The sky is not going to fall, and it might be the end of the world.
		I do believe that the message that is being broadcast from this object is very similar to what we put on the Voyager, which went out of our solar system.
		It's just somebody doing it in reverse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you Tell me anything about the frequency that this message is incoming on?
unidentified		Not being a communications engineer, I'm not that familiar with it, but it's a very, very high frequency, and I think it's somewhere in the K-something band.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KU-band, maybe?
unidentified		Possibly that.
		I'm going to find out tomorrow, and I'm going to let you know.
		But it's a very, very high frequency, and they are able to interpolate this signal so that they can use it to digitize it into the images that they're projecting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, which you say are mathematical in nature.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And which carry a message and a warning.
unidentified		It's carrying a message and a warning.
unidentified		It's a message of greeting to us and obviously to other planets where there must be other inhabitants and a warning that this pulse is passing through the galaxy and will probably come through this solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, hardly anybody else is willing to stick their neck out, but you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Because I want people to know.
		I think it's important for people to understand this and not for it to be a secret.
		I'm just, myself and my colleagues are so tired of us living under this so-called threat of secrecy and that we are the only intelligence in the entire universe.
		This is not true.
		We are not.
		We need to reach out to whoever is out there because they're reaching out to us.
		But we have to do it without fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that brings me to another topic.
		Whatever this is, headed our way, I don't think that our military community, which is a big portion of the government, is going to react to it the way we would hope they would.
		I'm afraid they're going to react to it in the wrong way.
		Is that a reasonable fear?
unidentified		It's a reasonable fear, but it will have no effect.
		Meaning, it's expected exactly what they will do, but it will have no effect.
		Our military will be powerless to do anything other than express their fear, do a military dance, and that'll be all.
		But they will be ineffective in trying to do anything because this is not going to do anything to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess what I'm saying is I saw ID4.
		Everybody else did.
		If something's coming our way, I wouldn't want there to be an automatic negative reaction.
		In other words, I don't want to go to war with somebody who hasn't declared they want to go to war with me.
unidentified		Neither do I. And neither do my colleagues.
		And from what we understand, whoever is out there, and we have a pretty good guess who they are, and that's in my book, too, they have been here before.
		And they have been watching over this planet and others for a very, very long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have been here before.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When?
unidentified		4,000 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		4,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And why were they here then?
unidentified		They were here then because there were others here who didn't belong here.
unidentified		And they would have upset the normal progression of our civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of people listening to this right now who are going to say, Dr. Chargel, you're out of your mind.
unidentified		How do you know all this stuff?
		We don't have enough time for me to go into how I know it.
		Suffice to say, it doesn't matter if people believe it or not.
		The proof will prove itself.
		I'm not going to prove it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must say, the photographs of the companion, the object, whatever the hell it is out there, seem rather clear.
		And you claim you've got...
		It's very clear.
unidentified		It's very clear that there's an object there.
		It's not clear what it is other than that it is an object.
		It looks like a globe.
		It may possibly be transparent or have the ability to be transparent, but it is reflecting light, and it's also absorbing light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you're saying the exact same things that so many others have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's also clear to you that there is an incoming signal with a specific message, which we haven't heard before, a greeting and a warning.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all new information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's coming in a mathematical sequence that you believe is broadcast somewhere near the KU band.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Is that a very high band?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's where it's being broadcast from a very, very high band.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interestingly, the KU band is exactly where the satellite dish outside my home is transmitting right now to get the signal around the country to the various affiliates, KU band.
unidentified		Well, you might just get another signal.
unidentified		Only problem is all you're going to hear is just a bunch of beeps and squeal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, you have to be able to translate it.
		I want you to be able to take some calls, some questions from the audience.
		Are you willing to do that?
unidentified		Yes, I am, but I also wanted to mention that this information is all contained in my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll get to your book after the break here and tell people how to get a hold of it.
		Stand by.
		Lee Shargo, Doctor, is my guest, and he'll be back in a moment.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you make out of all this, folks?
		How many sources do you have to hear from bringing roughly the same message before you begin to wonder, well, gee, could it possibly be true?
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBZ.
unidentified		What are you?
		When it's alright, it's moving home.
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		1-800-825-5033.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		And how could a person not follow this story?
		I guess that's what I would ask.
		With all of these different sources seemingly disconnected, but saying the same thing, how could a person not follow it?
		I wonder.
		All right.
		We're going to get back to Dr. Shargill in just a moment.
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		All right?
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		All right?
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		My guest is Dr. Lee Chargel.
		He wrote a book years ago about all of this.
		How many years ago did you write that book?
unidentified		I actually wrote the book.
		I began writing it in 1991.
		I finished it in 1993 and rewrote it again and finished it last year, and it'll be out on March 1st of 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so if a person wanted your book right now?
unidentified		If they wanted it right now, they can get a the publisher is printing 5,000 special editions that will be available through direct mail before they go to the bookstores.
		And they can get it by calling the publisher at 1-888-ORDERIT.
		O-R-D-E-R-I-T.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good number.
		1-888-ORDERIT, huh?
		And the title of your book is?
unidentified		Voice in the Mirror, The Final Apocalypse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Voice in the Mirror, The Final Apocalypse.
		Wow.
		All right.
		How much is it?
unidentified		If they order it through the publisher, it's $20.
		It's a hardcover book.
		If they wait for it to be in the bookstores March 1st, it'll be $24.
		And I'll be embarking on a coast-to-coast book tour and lecture tour starting in the end of February, March.
		But I will be a guest speaker at the UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada on January 22nd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Where I will reveal a lot more information, plus have all the photos and slides to show everyone.
unidentified		Anybody that wants to be there will be able to see this up close and personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, Doctor.
		You're going to get these photographs to me, correct?
unidentified		Yes.
		What I'm going to do tomorrow is I'm going to go up to the university and take photos of the photos, blow them up, and send them to you the following day, which will be Wednesday.
		You will have them on Thursday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Good enough.
		You know, we'll get them up on the web, and that's okay with you, right?
unidentified		That's fine.
		The more people that see it, the more people will know.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's take a few calls from the audience.
		First-time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Lee Shargell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Doctor, I would like to know, from the discussions we've had up to this Point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to speak up, huh?
		It's kind of hard to hear you.
		Just go ahead and ask your question.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I'd like to know if this, what do you call it, anomaly or the twin or the collision?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Companion or anomaly, whatever.
unidentified		Yeah, to hailbop.
unidentified		If perhaps that anomaly is keeping hailbrop from hurting Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's, I believe, not projected to hit Earth anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be, what, at the closest approach, 123 million miles or something like that.
unidentified		Right.
		In astronomical terms, it's close, but in actuality, it's going to be very far away.
		But not too far for a signal to reach us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, that's exciting.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Shirgel.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Dr. Shirgel.
		How are you?
		Fine, thank you.
		Some of the research that you've been doing, do you have any background in physics?
		In physics itself?
		Yes.
		Well, it's some, but not much.
		Okay.
		I was curious if you thought that there will be a quickening, as Log puts it, very soon within a half a year or so, where the weather patterns will change very abruptly and possibly due to something other than the Hail Bob companion.
		Do you believe that?
		What's your view?
		I believe in something that I call the awakening.
		And I believe that it's going to affect a lot of people on this planet, but it won't affect the planet itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Shargell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Carl in Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Carl.
unidentified		I'd first like to thank you.
		You do a great service, and I'd just like to thank you.
		Sir, as far as the anomaly, do you think it could be like a rudder?
		I understand that.
		I know that the lady asked you that, but, you know, it could be or maybe riding along with the coattails of the thing, like, as you said, with the ripple effect of the gravity going through space, it could be coming with the comet, and that's why it's coming.
		Well, this is definitely an object that has been built by an intelligence.
		Okay, about the discrimination now against all the people like Richard Hoagland, Chuck, Art Bell.
		I want to know what are the people who don't believe anything is going on right now.
		What are they going to do when they find out it really is happening?
		They're going to believe it.
		They're going to call Art Bell.
		That's what they're going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Or what's going to happen when nothing happens?
		And that's possible.
		I have to allow that's possible.
		Look, I'm just a talk show host, but I have, I don't know how many people now, like you, Doctor, who are saying the things that you're saying, and I just can't ignore it.
		Plus, I've got this hard data that's beginning to come from the astronomical community.
		Well, I guess I shouldn't say hard data until I really get it, your photographs included, but I've got all of these astronomers who are quietly saying, oh yeah, something's going on.
		Oh, no, we don't want to talk about it yet.
unidentified		Well, a lot of people don't want to talk about it because a lot of people right now in the scientific community are sitting on a fence.
		They don't want to come out and say definitively what they believe it is because if it turns out not to be that, they are afraid that they're going to look like.
		But something is there.
		We all know that something's there.
		We're already receiving something from it.
		We have no way to communicate back as of yet, but I believe that we will find a way to communicate back to this thing.
		And it's going to pass us and just keep traveling on.
		But the message that it delivers is something we must listen to.
		We cannot ignore it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Chargel.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
		Hello.
		It's really a pleasure talking with you.
		You're the greatest talk show host ever as far as I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I have a couple questions, Doctor.
		First one, this is more directed to Art than to you, Doctor.
		Do you believe the thing that's happening on the 5th of December in Egypt may give us an opportunity to communicate with this interstellar craft that's hanging out up there?
		That's a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's purely speculative, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Now, you said that the communication on this thing is on the K-band, and your satellite dish that you get your signals back and forth so that you can communicate with all the different affiliates in the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, let me be specific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The link that I have from here to Oregon, as well as the link from Oregon to New Jersey, is on the K-U-band.
unidentified		Okay, why can't they, if they've been able to come from one galaxy to another interdimensionally in a craft that's so sophisticated, why couldn't they communicate on that same band so you could communicate and we could ask questions and we could figure out what's going on?
		It shouldn't be that difficult.
		Well, it would be like trying to talk to an answering machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it, exactly.
		That's it, exactly.
		And right now, the band that I'm on is occupied, sir, both coming and going.
		So what I receive, I get from the network, and what I transmit, I transmit to the network.
		It's like an occupied line.
		But it's in that KU band of frequencies.
		I see.
unidentified		Just an idea.
		And I want to ask you one last question before I hang up our bill.
		This is really important.
		Sure.
		Okay.
		You know, like how in different programs like the Music Awards, they give the Tonies and they give the Emmys for motion pictures.
		Is there any kind of a thing that we could write into for an award so we can vote for our favorite talk show radio host?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that I know of, sir, but I appreciate the vote of confidence.
		Thank you.
		It's bad enough that there's a new movie out, Doctor, called Mars Attacks.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's, I guess, a parody of the old Mars Attacks movie.
unidentified		The old top spaceball card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		And guess where they attack?
		Mars attacks card.
		You know where they attack?
		Pahump, Nevada.
		Now, calculate the odds of that one.
		Little Perrump, Nevada, I mean, recently ballooned to 20,000 people of all the places they could choose in the whole United States.
		Perump, Nevada.
		Impossible.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Chargill.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Burlington, Vermont, calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You mentioned HARP.
		I would like to know if you could expand upon what HARP has to do with the coming communications.
		Good.
		Good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		There are two things that we need to know about.
		HARP being one.
		The other one is a system called Sarinet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
unidentified		Sarinet is a highly classified installation in Antarctica.
		HARP and Sarinet will both link together, and they will create a shield around this entire planet.
		And it is something good, not bad.
		HARP is not a bad thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not if it becomes a shield.
		HAARP is ostensibly something to heat the ionosphere, an ionospheric heater.
		And they say the two reasons for it, which may be pure baloney, who knows, are to study radio communications and to map underground tunnels and bunkers of all things.
unidentified		That sounds pretty far-fetched to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it did to me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In order to get underground, to get enough radiation underground after coming off the ionosphere, you would have to penetrate everything above ground, like people.
unidentified		It would be like living in a giant microwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's all very interesting.
		All right.
		First time caller, you're on the air with Dr. Chargel.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is David in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, David.
unidentified		Hi, friend of Matt at Midnight's, by the way, for the Midnight Gambler Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, on KBEG, of course.
unidentified		Personal friend of yours.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for quite a while, and I have to tell you that I've had a mixed bag of emotions the last week or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes two of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't think I haven't had a mixed bag of emotions, too, over all this.
unidentified		I can imagine.
		I mean, it's excitement, it's fear.
		I was shaking actually the first time you started it.
		I was terrified when I first started hearing all this information.
		I was shaking uncontrollably.
		And then when they mentioned that this object may be hollow and this other information I've been hearing, I get this feeling for some reason that if all this is true about actually protecting us, that maybe this object would actually encompass the earth or surround it.
		It seems so large that it would protect us from whatever would be heading our way, possibly.
		What do you feel about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in a way, it is on a mission of protection, right, Doctor?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I can only say to my audience, look, what would you do if you were in my position getting all this information, all these different sources, would you not report on it?
		Would you keep it under your hat?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Chargell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Duluth, Minnesota, listening to W. First time callers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call area 702-727-1222.
unidentified		Chumps or chums.
unidentified		We're not sure yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name, sir?
unidentified		Will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will, okay.
unidentified		I'm from Duluth, Minnesota.
		Right.
		And I do have a doctorate in molecular genetics.
		I am, and this is a fact, the first person to write in black and white, that was my doctoral thesis, the molecular genetic mechanism for production of variability in the light and heavy chains of immune cooperatives.
		I did this in the 60s.
		And that's how we fight viruses and bacteria.
		But a number of us, a reasonable large number of, we the people, some of us occasional listeners to and participants on various radio and TV talk shows, are beginning to raise a very important question.
		Is all this mysterious object with Hail Bob hype?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Hail Bob, sir, B-O-P-P.
unidentified		Okay, thank you for correcting me.
		I apologize.
		All this hype being done for a sinister, evil purpose.
		Like what?
		And are some of us, including Hovood and yourself, a nice gentleman, allegedly possibly being used in an allegedly possible sinister attempt to a hidden agenda by the head of America's new secret police, the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, and Tobacco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say this would be a pretty big target for ATF.
		A secret plot of ATF, huh?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Chargill.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, hi.
		I'm calling from New Haven, Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
unidentified		Good morning to you and to you both.
unidentified		I was just wondering about the crop circles, if they could be also giving the same message as the doctor was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, actually, in a way, that's a very, very good question.
		Doctor, the crop circle phenomenon, it can all be Doug and Dave.
		You say the message coming from this object is mathematical in nature, and a lot of people have looked at crop circles and have seen them as mathematical messages.
		Any comments?
unidentified		Well, my only comment right now would be that we haven't had the opportunity yet to compare the images from Hale Bob to certain crop circle images, but I'm certain that it will be done very soon to see if there's any correlation between crop circles that have appeared recently and in the past where that is in the public domain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The word I've been getting is fractal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People have called them fractal.
unidentified		Fractal images.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, the only thing I can say is that I'm sure that they're going to be compared mathematically to see if there is a correlation between one image and the other.
		Perhaps they may be very close.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Chargell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Gilbert, Lord, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning.
unidentified		I'd like to know what a neutron pulse is and exactly what it will do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is a neutron pulse and what will it do?
unidentified		A neutron pulse is the Result of an exploding supernova or the destruction of a star, a neutron star.
unidentified		The pulse is the radiation that emanates from the destruction of the star, and it emanates throughout space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like a rock thrown in the middle of a pond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that help you, Carla?
unidentified		No.
		Does it emanate on a specific vibrational pattern?
		On a vibrational pattern?
		Yes, does it vibrate specifically like certain frequencies of radio waves?
		Does it have a noticeable pattern?
		Yes, it does have a noticeable pattern.
		Ah.
		Okay, and the way that it spreads out, it doesn't spread out like a cloud would spread.
		It spreads out more like the rings of Saturn would spread.
		In a very flattened trajectory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		But it gets larger and larger and larger the farther it travels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the best analogy is the rock thrown out in the middle of a pond.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It really goes on forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Chargel.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is John Douglas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oops, don't give us your last name.
unidentified		From Vancouver Island?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John.
unidentified		Is your guest saying that the dinosaur's extinction is like a result from this radiation wave?
		I think so.
		Doctor?
		Yes, that's what we believe that it was the result of a large pulse of radiation passing over and through the Earth, which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.
		It was, in essence, they all were fried.
		But wouldn't it affect smaller species, like amphibians?
		It would affect primarily species on the surface.
		Most of the smaller species hide underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or underwater.
unidentified		Or underwater, and they're primarily nocturnal.
		And I'm sure that this didn't happen in one day.
		This happened over a long period of time.
		And the radiation level built up and became stronger and stronger and stronger.
		And the result was probably that the dinosaurs couldn't reproduce.
		Is this radiation wave?
		How many times does it hit the Earth?
		How many times does it hit the Earth?
		Yeah, has it hit?
		Maybe it could hit.
		It hasn't hit the Earth yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he meant the dinosaur extinction that you talked about.
unidentified		Oh.
		That was, to our knowledge, it's only happened that one time.
		Oh, okay.
		And I have a second question about Mars.
		That was approximately 70 million years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Your second question is?
		Well, you're off onto a different track there, Caller.
		Listen, Dr. Shirgel, you want to stick around one more hour?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure there are a lot of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The lines are absolutely jammed, so stay around.
unidentified		I'm going to stop this long.
unidentified		I'm up for the lawn hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Down in WFTL country, that's where we're heard in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
unidentified		WFTL?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WFTL and Fort Lauderdale, yes.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't know that.
unidentified		I've been trying to find out where you are broadcasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just told you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WFTL and Fort Lauderdale.
unidentified		Well, now I can listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now you can indeed.
		All right, we're going to break here.
		For more, we're going to do another hour with Dr. Leah Chargell.
		Interesting or what?

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