Nov. 28, 1996 - Art Bell
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| From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be and welcome to another edition of the Best in Live Overnight Talk Radio from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, east, across this great nation, to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands to Puerto Rico, South into South America, north to the Pole and worldwide on the internet. | ||
| This is Coast to Post AF. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
| The program tonight is going to contain news, which will be very disturbing to some people. | ||
| The content concerns news of first contact. | ||
| First contact with unknown life forms or entities. | ||
| If you are disturbed by this sort of material, please turn your radio off now or tune to a different station. | ||
| If you are a parent, please exercise your parental responsibility. | ||
| What follows is, to the best of our knowledge, real and not a drama. | ||
| What we're going to have this evening are three guests. | ||
| They're going to reveal to you what has been revealed to them and we're going to try to help you to deal with the information you're about to get. | ||
| In the first hour, it'll be Professor Courtney Brown from Emory University. | ||
| In the second and third hours, it's going to be Prudence Calabri, an employee of the Farsight Institute and a woman who is about to have her doctorate in physics. | ||
| That'll be in May of 97. | ||
| And she will explain, as best we can, the source of the information and what it is and what it means. | ||
| And then in the final two hours, we'll have Whitley Streeber, author of Communion and his soon-to-be-released Secret School, and he will help us deal with this information. | ||
| That's the lineup. | ||
| The End All right, as we prepare to give you this material, I do wish to acknowledge Chuck Schramak. | ||
| You may recall about two weeks ago on this program, Chuck Schramick, an amateur photographer, astronomer and photographer, I guess, in Houston, Texas, employed by a commercial radio station there, imaged something that he could not figure out when he imaged Hailbop. | ||
| Something he thought should not have been there. | ||
| That photograph continues to remain, despite statements by many in the astronomical community, continues to remain an anomaly. | ||
| He's reimaged. | ||
| He finds the star that was being covered by this object that he imaged. | ||
| But it does not, under similar exposure times, add up to the object that is in Chuck's original image. | ||
| So he stands by his work. | ||
| And as you listen this morning, you will see that it is well that he stands by his work. | ||
| Let's go to Atlanta, Georgia, and Professor Courtney Brown, a tenured professor at Emory University, and the head of the Farsight Institute that he created. | ||
| Dr. Brown, welcome to the program. | ||
| Art, I want to say it's a great honor, as always, to be on your show, and I thank you very much for inviting me. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| It's a big night, Doctor, and I don't want to hold people in undue suspense here. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But I do want to again reference Chuck Schramack. | ||
| And you may recall that the world caved in on poor Chuck when he went public with what he had imaged. | ||
| Yeah, you know, there is such a great difficulty in our current time and age for people, sometimes amateurs, but in the type we're talking about tonight, even professionals, to come forward with information that they know is true because of the public response that occurs, not just from the common public, but also from the peers. | ||
| Chuck Schramek, we now know, was very courageous to come forward, perhaps also a bit innocent, not knowing what was going to happen. | ||
| The public response was so great, however, that my understanding is that soon after he released the photographs, he had to leave Houston and ended up going to another state just to get away for a while because of the criticism. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He'll be returning shortly, but he is still, at this moment, out of state. | ||
| Out of state. | ||
| It was a real crushing experience for him. | ||
| It was a crushing experience. | ||
| And what we can say is that the public has to understand the pressure that people are under. | ||
| And not everyone wants to go through that. | ||
| Remember, in the past, in our civilization, great teachers have paid dearly. | ||
| Look at what happened to Jesus. | ||
| Look at what happened to Socrates. | ||
| Look what happened to others. | ||
| Some teachers pay dearly with their lives. | ||
| Some teachers pay dearly with their careers. | ||
| Some people pay dearly with their reputations in the community. | ||
| And not everyone wants to go through this. | ||
| We humans have a history of severely attacking the people who bring us news that's just different from what we've already believed. | ||
| And this news that we have today is the biggest of the biggest. | ||
| And I can only say for whatever reasons, whether it was done innocently or with an understanding of what was coming, I take my hat off to Chuck Tramack because he helped start the ball rolling with regard to all of this. | ||
| Well, on his behalf, thank you, Professor. | ||
| Let's get on to it. | ||
| What have we got? | ||
| Well, Art, what should we do? | ||
| Should we have to talk about the idea that this was first done with remote viewing, but maybe we might get back to that during the hour that I'm on? | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| I think people are familiar now with the fact that you had the Farsight Institute that Is a group of remote viewers, and that your protocols have been modified from the original military protocols. | ||
| You feel that that adds to the accuracy? | ||
| I think perhaps we just let's get first. | ||
| Let's get the hard information out, yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, here at the Farsight Institute, that's F-A-R-S-I-G-H-T, like seeing FAR, we do two types of targets. | ||
| Some that are, most of the targets, in fact, the targets that we do during training, initial training, when we teach people these remote viewing, these scientific remote viewing protocols are all verifiable. | ||
| Meaning, the student can be told what the target is, and we know all the data that's required about that target right after the session is over. | ||
| Now, the student is told that target after the session is over, so that they do the session blind, but after the session is over, we can then verify the data that they collected using these remote VIM protocols with the actual information about the target. | ||
| Advanced targets have always some verifiable components to it, but also information that we need to know. | ||
| And that was the case with this object that Chuck Schramick took a photo of that was near Hellbop Comet. | ||
| The object, he had a photograph of it. | ||
| He had actually many, many, many photographs of him, 60 good ones. | ||
| And we did some remote viewing on it right before an Art Bell show. | ||
| That was two weeks ago. | ||
| Two weeks ago. | ||
| And we described the object in detail using the scientific remote viewing protocols. | ||
| And again, for those listeners who are new, this type of remote viewing is used, has been used by the U.S. military for a couple decades for espionage purposes with accuracy rates of above 85% as it's now common knowledge that that unit did exist in the U.S. military. | ||
| And now that we have it in a civilian form, it's been modified and so on. | ||
| Now, the point is that after we do these remote viewings, if we do not have complete verification of the target already, such as an advanced target, such as this comet and its companion, then we, as an institute, as an educational institute, as scientists, as researchers, as educators, we then proceed to find out more about this target so that we can verify. | ||
| We always try to verify what we do, what we get. | ||
| And so after the Art Bell show, remember the remote viewing was done literally that day, right hours before your last show. | ||
| And in fact, you were reading us material that you had not previously read actually right on the show. | ||
| It was coming in. | ||
| You had just received it, and so you were just sort of going through it on the show. | ||
| Well, after the show, we then started our normal process as an educational institute, as a research institute, to verify what we got. | ||
| So we called around and contacted some astronomers that were in the Big Ten, top ten universities, to get as much verifying information as we could. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And what basically happened is that we had contacted a number of astronomers. | ||
| Many were very interested. | ||
| They were all frightened with the implications that it could be if they were to get involved with any information dealing with this anomaly because of the implications that it could have on their careers, what happened to Chuck Shramach, and so on. | ||
| But some were courageous, and one in particular allowed us to shared with us in confidence information that allowed us to confirm what our remote viewing was, basically. | ||
| It was that the object that was near the comet was indeed photographed by this astronomer's team. | ||
| That the object had been photographed numerous times. | ||
| It moves about. | ||
| It is huge. | ||
| And Prudence Calabriz will actually describe in detail in the next hour about the photographs. | ||
| he shared with us these photographs. | ||
| You have found an astronomer whose name we're not giving out right now, and we'll explain why, at a top 10 university. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Who has taken roughly Dr. How many images of Hellbop and its companion? | ||
| Well, he shared with us a number of roles, a film, of these images, of which we found five to be really spectacular and internet quality, that type of stuff. | ||
| Okay, this is not an amateur. | ||
| This is a guy who is fully the best of the best. | ||
| Not only a professional, but someone with an international reputation who has worked with the best teams on the most serious of projects. | ||
| And Prudence will actually be talking more about a little bit about his background. | ||
| We are not identifying the university, nor are we identifying the person, because, quite honestly, that person wanted the weekend and perhaps some more days to consult with his family and his colleagues about the implications of talking about this subject, because literally of what happens in our society. | ||
| Our society just goes bonkers. | ||
| And it's a very serious professional decision to come forward with this information. | ||
| It's a career decision. | ||
| It's a career decision, and it has tremendous implications for himself. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The plans presently are, it is my understanding, to hold a news conference in about a week or sometime, in all probability, sometime next week. | ||
| That's what he's talking about. | ||
| That's what he's talking about. | ||
| Now, this person, this could change because who knows what could happen in a week. | ||
| Some people could really put a lot of pressure on him, but his desire is to come forward in a press conference soon, and he has mentioned next week. | ||
| Now, this is his choice, though, Art. | ||
| This is his choice. | ||
| He has to make that decision to come forward. | ||
| He has to have the support from his family, and he has to be able to have the courage to withstand any type of temporary assault that will be made by some of his colleagues. | ||
| I have to say also, though, that other colleagues in the astronomical community have been working with him and sharing their data. | ||
| There is not just data from him, but he is in collection of a ton of data, including, and I kid you not, radio and light transmissions that have been made by the object towards Earth. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Radio and light. | ||
| In other words, they are receiving radio astronomy signals that indicate what, Doctor? | ||
| The beings in that object are trying to communicate with us. | ||
| They are trying to wake us up. | ||
| They are signaling us. | ||
| They are being very, very gentle with us to let us see them at such a distance, giving us time to eventually just wake up. | ||
| Slowly, slowly, slowly. | ||
| They have been flying ships under our noses for decades now, and we have been enmeshed in a terrible policy of denial and secrecy. | ||
| And they are trying to say, basically, by this maneuver, by this theatrical maneuver, the time has come, the jig is up, you've got to start being more mature about this, humans on Earth. | ||
| You know, you can't laugh away an object like this. | ||
| Oh, no, you cannot. | ||
| Listen, I should tell the audience, many, many, many photographs have been provided by this astronomer at a top ten university that we are now, or at least tonight, not naming. | ||
| I have in my hand some of those photographs right now of the companion to Halebaugh. | ||
| And we'll be talking with Pruvins Kalabriski shortly about these. | ||
| But I've got them in my hand. | ||
| Now, the question would be, why are we not posting these tonight on the Internet? | ||
| Why are we not putting them up? | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| Our original hope was to be able to put them up on the Internet tonight. | ||
| But the photographs are of such quality, because they were taken with professional equipment at a major university, that it would become instantly aware of not only where the photographs were taken, but under whose direction and who would be responsible for them. | ||
| So in other words, anybody in the astronomical community would be able to take one look. | ||
| They're very high quality. | ||
| And they would say. | ||
| They're very high quality. | ||
| And they would say, we know that telescope. | ||
| That's Joe Schmoe's pictures. | ||
| And that's the end of it. | ||
| And we want to give him the time. | ||
| This is a very important point because he has to make the decision himself. | ||
| This is part of the human awakening process. | ||
| In order for something to be evolutionary, it must be voluntary. | ||
| And this is the greatest moment of his life, and we cannot steal that moment or try to do anything to jeopardize that moment. | ||
| He has to stand forward himself and say, I'm a scientist. | ||
| These are my results. | ||
| Come what may, I did not go into this profession in order to hide science. | ||
| I came in this profession in order to understand it and to publish it and to teach it. | ||
| And these are the results. | ||
| This is the radio telescope results. | ||
| These are the astronomical telescope results. | ||
| This is what's happening. | ||
| This is the object. | ||
| It's been photographed. | ||
| It's been observed under many conditions, various conditions, with all different types of equipment. | ||
| The thing is a ship. | ||
| He's got to say that. | ||
| It's his choice. | ||
| But we, however, as remote viewers at an institute, our business is the use of the non-physical, the subspace, mind, the soul. | ||
| This is our business. | ||
| And what we have to do is we have to call up people we know. | ||
| Remember, a lot of us at the Farsight Institute have PhDs, our academics. | ||
| We go to our friends, our colleagues that we know in other departments, and we get help when we need targets, when we need information about things that we have targeted. | ||
| And we had to get confirmation that we were correct. | ||
| And so what we are reporting to you, to everyone, is that as far as all the listeners are concerned, this still remains on the level of anecdotal evidence because they haven't heard it yet from the astronomer. | ||
| But we, at least, have heard it directly, and we now know that we were correct with the remote viewing results. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Let us briefly describe what is in the photographs. | ||
| Comet Halebop with its corona is in the photographs and directly behind it. | ||
| Yeah, this is interesting because when Schromek took his photograph, the object had moved out to the side. | ||
| Probably, if I was guessing the motive behind the ETs, behind the extraterrestrials, it was, you know, we were giving them subtle hints hiding behind the comet for so long, and that's a very extraordinary comet. | ||
| And Prudence, who has a long, a very solid background in graduate physics, she will then describe in more detail the nature of the thing. | ||
| But the point is that we were not, even though these photographs had been around a long time, the information had been around, the scientific community was saying, this must be something else. | ||
| This must be something else. | ||
| This must be something else. | ||
| Finally, the ETs moved the ship to the side of the comet so there could be no ambiguity, and Chuck Tram just happened to be there at that moment and took those pictures. | ||
| The object also comes and goes. | ||
| Yeah, it moves back behind the comet. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's moving around. | ||
| It turns its headlights on and then it turns them off. | ||
| In addition, it sends signals, radio signals, that have been picked up clearly, unambiguously, and these signals cannot Clearly, unambiguously intelligent signals? | ||
| Absolutely, these signals are not Well, this is the actual Dates, the entire history of the thing, we're going to have to wait for the astronomer to say, but it's been a number of months, I understand. | ||
| All right, and this information is being discussed currently with the astronomer that we're talking to and other astronomers privately, isn't it? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They're circulating it amongst themselves. | ||
| This is going to break no matter what, because the astronomers are just like any other set of scientists. | ||
| We're not trained. | ||
| Dr. Crazy. | ||
| Hold tight. | ||
| We're at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| This is CBC. | ||
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| This is the CBC Radio Network. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| My guest is Professor Courtney Brown from Emory University. | ||
| He is to be followed in the next hour by another employee of the Farsight Institute, Prudence, Kellabrezi, who is about to receive her doctorate in physics and will explain the photographs and the radio signals that we're talking about. | ||
| And what we're talking about is first contact. | ||
| A professor of astronomy at a major top 10 university is about to put his career on the line over this. | ||
| And we'll kind of go over the facts here in a moment, and we're going to have to continue to do that, I believe, and to explain to you why we're not giving out this man's name. | ||
| It is not for us to do. | ||
| He's talking to his family, and he's about to put his career on the line. | ||
| And we'll do more of that here in a moment. | ||
| you Now, once again, here is Emory University's professor, Courtney Brown. | ||
| Doctor, welcome back. | ||
| I'm here, Dart. | ||
| People are naturally reacting and saying, oh, come on, give us his name. | ||
| Well, his name will be apparent when he holds a news conference, in all probability, next week. | ||
| He's consulting with his family because he knows what's going to occur is going to be very much like that which occurred to Chuck Schramack. | ||
| And he's going to take a lot of heat. | ||
| And frankly, he may take it before his announcement. | ||
| I've got to ask you about this, Doctor. | ||
| There are already rumors on the internet of what university this professor, this tenured professor, what top 10 university he is at. | ||
| And those rumors are already on the internet. | ||
| And so I would ask you as press will come to you, Professor, and ask you, is it such and such a university? | ||
| And how do you respond? | ||
| Well, I can only say the following. | ||
| That there is only one far-sight institute, and that's In Atlanta, and that we have never given the identity of the person nor the university of that person because he totally trusted us to keep that information confidential. | ||
| We have never publicly stated this information. | ||
| And we have to tell you, we have never publicly stated this information. | ||
| And we have to tell you that for those of us here at the Farsight Institute in Atlanta, and that's where we are, we're not anywhere else, we have to respect that person's time that that person needs in order to make this decision. | ||
| And let me say, Art, you know, it's actually possible. | ||
| It's absolutely possible that the person may decide. | ||
| I don't think the person's going to. | ||
| The person feels deeply committed, as he has communicated with us, that he must come forward with this. | ||
| But it is possible that something could happen and he would say, this is just not something I want to do. | ||
| It's just too big a thing. | ||
| This is his choice. | ||
| But that's why we must understand we live in a free will universe. | ||
| It is his choice. | ||
| It is his responsibility to make that choice. | ||
| And we have never stated. | ||
| So, if there are rumors out there on the internet, there is no farsight institute other than Atlanta here in Atlanta. | ||
| All right, that responds directly to one of the messages on the internet. | ||
| And that's not necessary. | ||
| Whitley Striber, who's going to be on later tonight, this morning, investigated independently and found out who this man is. | ||
| Whitley Streeber is staking his reputation on all of this as well, as is Prudence Calabri, as you are, Professor. | ||
| This is big news, and you're going to have the press buzzing all around you. | ||
| Now, I must say, Art, that astronomers are like normal scientists. | ||
| They are not used to keeping secrets like this, and they are communicating among themselves about this anomaly. | ||
| saying this is generally uh... | ||
| at at the top of the heap in astronomy well not necessarily the top of the heap but people are there could That is the top of the heap, Doctor. | ||
| That is the top of the heap, yes. | ||
| And they are, in fact, not going to be able. | ||
| This story will have to break eventually. | ||
| They are not going to be able to keep it. | ||
| But, you know, everybody is looking at themselves and saying, I mean, we even know from the astronomer that we've been dealing with, we've been actually dealing with calling a few others, but we've been knowing just from him that even he's saying that he's getting information sent to him from others. | ||
| They're putting this together and they're talking amongst themselves. | ||
| And again, this has to come out. | ||
| And again, this is not one source. | ||
| We've got the pictures from this gigantic telescope. | ||
| I've got them. | ||
| You've got them. | ||
| Whitley's got them. | ||
| We've all got them. | ||
| The only reason we're not putting it, again, we have been bound to our word not to release this man's name nor the name of the university until he's prepared to do it. | ||
| He's talking with his family because he knows that all hell is going to break loose. | ||
| And so I don't blame him. | ||
| I'd be talking with my family before I did this, too. | ||
| And by the way, I did talk to my family before I did this show. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| Yeah, actually, I have been in this business for so long, I've been telling my family what I've been doing for the longest time because everything that we're doing here at the Foresight Institute is busting down paradigms that they've got out there. | ||
| And I have been taking the heat constantly. | ||
| But, you know, I had to face the same decision with regard to the information that I published in Cosmic Voyage with regard to the use of remote viewing as an accurate new technique for gathering data and on the science side. | ||
| And I have taken the heat constantly, but you know, every once in a while, a scientist has to face the fundamental decision of his or her life, which is what is more important, the reason that they became a scientist in the first place, to be true to themselves, or to run away from the truth just because of people that may be nearby that will not like that truth. | ||
| And it has always been that in any collection of people who study science, some, not all, but some brave ones come through and say, it doesn't matter what happens to my career. | ||
| If it's true, it's true, and they've used all of the techniques that they've learned throughout their studies of science to verify that something is true. | ||
| And they simply come forward and they say it because they love science. | ||
| They're married to it. | ||
| They're committed to it. | ||
| And that's what we're dealing with. | ||
| We're dealing with someone who is making the same type of decision that I and others have had to make with regard to this whole area of science. | ||
| All right, Doctor, let us clarify for a second. | ||
| We've got the photographs from this astronomer, from this university. | ||
| That's one part of the equation, but separate from that, radio telescopes have received an intelligent signal from this object. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Now, Prudence will be, you know, she's the, she, at the Farsight Institute, she is the director, her title is Director of Planetary Education, and basically that means she is responsible in our department for putting all the information that we get from our remote viewing studies up on the Internet for people to see all over the world free of charge. | ||
| We are educating the entire planet with regards to this new science and the results we're getting from it. | ||
| The results that we have on Hailbop are also now up on our Internet and people can go to them. | ||
| Actually, if you don't mind, Art, I can give this the URL one more time and our Internet site is www.farsite, F-A-R-S-I-G-H-T, dot org, O-R-G. | ||
| And the point is that when you click on it with your web browser, www.farsite.org, you will find the results for our Hale-Bopf studies. | ||
| And what we did is after we got our Halebauf studies, we then went and searched out astronomers who would give us confirmation. | ||
| In fact, we got that. | ||
| And that's what this whole show is about. | ||
| That's what the whole show is about, yes. | ||
| The world is about to cave in on you, Doctor, since you are the holder of the information for now. | ||
| In other words, you know the university professor's name. | ||
| I don't, by the way, so don't anybody come after me. | ||
| I don't know his name and don't want to know right now. | ||
| But he will come forward in all probability next week. | ||
| You spoke with him at some length, did you not? | ||
| We here have been in contact with him and have had hours and hours of contact with him going over all of the stuff. | ||
| He's been very generous with his time explaining and generous with some, not all, of his evidence. | ||
| And it's not just his evidence. | ||
| Astronomers never work alone. | ||
| Alone. | ||
| They have huge, they have big teams that they do things. | ||
| And this person, if you want to use the word you used before, among the astronomical community is in the top of the heap. | ||
| He's the best of the best. | ||
| He's been in the teams. | ||
| Prudence will tell you more about it, but he's a true pioneer. | ||
| He's been involved with successful efforts to discover planets around distant solar systems. | ||
| He's the best of the best. | ||
| And Prudence will tell you more about him. | ||
| Without giving an identification of him, we'll tell you more about him. | ||
| We know, and we recognize that all the listeners are still saying, but we still have to believe Courtney Brown and Prudence Calabries. | ||
| We still have the Breeze believed the Farsight Institute. | ||
| And we say we recognize that's true. | ||
| But we are telling you now that on our side, as researchers, as scientists, we have received the corroboration, the verification that indeed at least a significant amount of information that we have put up on the website, on our results from Hailbop, are indeed true. | ||
| It may be that all the other results are true as well. | ||
| We just haven't received confirmation from everything. | ||
| There's only so much an astronomer has access to. | ||
| I mean, telescopes, radio, and light. | ||
| But that was sufficient to verify that, in fact, we were absolutely correct. | ||
| The object is under artificial control. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Do you know yet, are there any recent, I'm sure that Prudence will update us on this, but are there any recent calculations based on these new photographs with regard to the size or the nature of this vehicle? | ||
| I was told, Prudence is the one who has the closest access to all this information, and I was told that the object truly is large. | ||
| And based on the evidence of how much gravity it's emitting, how much gravity it has, relative to its size, it apparently is hollow. | ||
| Hollow. | ||
| Yeah, hollow. | ||
| And that it is very, very large. | ||
| As spaceships go, you have to remember that our planet is a spaceship. | ||
| Spaceship Earth. | ||
| And this one's bigger than us. | ||
| In other words, this is larger than the planet Earth. | ||
| Yeah, that's apparently what it is. | ||
| We're dealing with a level of technology, level of sophistication, a level of construction abilities that swamps anything that we have. | ||
| And we must say also that if anyone is ever worried about the ETs, this is not the time to be. | ||
| If they wanted to do anything bad to us, if they wanted to conquer us, they could have smushed us like a mosquito. | ||
| This has nothing to do with hostility. | ||
| They are being so gentle with us. | ||
| They are trying to wake us up so that we can join what we now know is a complete galactic community of life out there. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here, Dr. Brown, I'm not as sure that I join you. | ||
| I spoke earlier with Whitley. | ||
| In fact, over the last several days, as we've been coming up toward this several times. | ||
| And Whitley, too, wishes to believe, wants to believe, that these are beneficial beings, that these people are coming to do us nothing but good. | ||
| But he's not sure. | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Art, let me tell you. | ||
| People always said, look, we have demonstrated this remote viewing works under laboratory-controlled conditions, you know, forever. | ||
| I mean, we've demonstrated it and demonstrated it and demonstrated it. | ||
| People just say, so many people just say, not everybody, lots of people have an open mind, but many, many people say, that's not enough. | ||
| That's not enough. | ||
| Finally, with a verifiable target that is without ambiguity out there, we are now having confirmation that our remote viewing was correct. | ||
| We can then say, well, look, if this isn't enough for you that we know how to do this thing now, then, you know, you've got a problem. | ||
| This remote viewing works. | ||
| It's scientific remote viewing, a trainable mental procedure. | ||
| But, Professor. | ||
| And what we can now say is, if you want to know more about them, about the ETs, if you've gotten to the point where we can tell you information about that thing, and now you've got it verified, then we can say, well, we have the other information about it as well. | ||
| And the other information is that we know the beings that are involved in this ship. | ||
| We know the beings that are involved in the attempts to communicate with us. | ||
| Is it not possible, though, that beings with this sort of technology, I mean, we're talking about a ship larger than Earth, hollow, emitting solid light, moving around the comet Halebop, with that kind of technology, is it not possible that you know what they want you to know? | ||
| We have gathered our data under such various conditions, so extensively, using targets that are, you know, getting targets that are across the whole spectrum, that we can only say that if there was an attempt to manipulate the information that we have, it would have had to have been an attempt that was orchestrated by the whole galaxy. | ||
| And it cannot be that the entire galaxy is all against us. | ||
| It is just not possible that everybody, everywhere, would be conspiring against this small backwater called Earth. | ||
| All right, then with respect to the remote viewing, your assessment is these beings are benign. | ||
| They're more than benign. | ||
| They're trying to help. | ||
| They're trying to get us out of the state of denial so that we can actually emerge into the community of life out there. | ||
| And at some other point, Art, I feel in my bones you're going to be having me on the show again. | ||
| There is a reason why they're doing this at this particular time. | ||
| Well, they are sending a message. | ||
| Do you as a remote viewer in your organization, Farsight, have any idea about the nature of the message? | ||
| Yeah, we do. | ||
| What? | ||
| The evidence is very clear on this. | ||
| Wherever there are beings, they organize themselves. | ||
| Wherever there are people or beings of any type, they organize themselves. | ||
| And we now know that there is a very large galactic federation, for lack of a better word. | ||
| The beings in the galaxy are organized. | ||
| And they have made a decision amongst themselves to awaken us at this time. | ||
| They have been slowly trying to do this. | ||
| There's been tremendous resistance among the human populations, forceful secrecy among our government. | ||
| And it's been very, very frustrating on the part of the ETs to awaken us. | ||
| They have decided for various reasons that I may be talking about. | ||
| We do have remote viewing information on this at another Art Bell show. | ||
| But they have decided that it is absolutely essential that we awaken now and that they are doing their absolute best to make this as smooth a transition as possible. | ||
| I can only say, Art, that they have been up against a very, very stubborn species, us. | ||
| Doctor, do you have any idea what this vessel, this ship that we're getting light and radio signals from and have verified on photographic film here, what this ship is going to do when it gets near Earth? | ||
| Comet Hailbop will pass within 123 million miles of Earth in around April 1st? | ||
| Well, you can rest assured that if they wanted to get to Earth in the next minute, they could. | ||
| Anybody who can move a spaceship around that's bigger than the size of a planet could easily get that. | ||
| It has easy abilities. | ||
| that spaceship did not come from Earth. | ||
| It did not come from our solar system. | ||
| In order to cover those distances, in order to get here and to go through this level of theater to slowly approach us, if they wanted to be here, they could be here tomorrow, but they're not doing that. | ||
| So the real reason that what we can say is that those beings are probably holding their cards. | ||
| They play poker very well, and they're probably holding their cards very close to themselves, and there's probably going to be a spectacular theatrical demonstration in the very near future. | ||
| Any idea how soon? | ||
| Well, it can't be very far off. | ||
| I mean, after all, they minimally, I mean, they're floating in with the comet. | ||
| Are you comfortable that the public reaction to this information is going to be positive? | ||
| We are absolutely certain that we will get through it as a species. | ||
| There may be some pandemonium. | ||
| There may be some chaos. | ||
| There may be a lot of people. | ||
| To rip off the veil of denial off an entire species is a very traumatic event. | ||
| But it's sometimes healthy. | ||
| For example, you go to a doctor's office and you get a vaccine. | ||
| Well, you have to be injected and it's a little painful in the vaccine. | ||
| But you do not get the various diseases that are associated with it. | ||
| Sometimes a little bit of trauma of pandemonium is much better than the consequence. | ||
| So when we say, is it going to be a little rough when we have to go through this psychological transition of recognizing that we're not alone and we have neighbors, we have to say, you don't say, well, you know, that's terrible. | ||
| Why are they doing that to us? | ||
| You have to say, well, what are the consequences if they did not do that? | ||
| And if they did not do that, we have very good information to suggest that the consequences would be much worse. | ||
| And they are trying to help us out and that they must force the issue on us now. | ||
| They must get us past this very, very crucial point. | ||
| All right, Doctor, you are an academic. | ||
| You have been a college professor for a very long time at Emory. | ||
| And so to you, this information, the photographs, the professor who's about to go public with a news conference, we're a little ahead of that. | ||
| The information with regard to the receipt of a radio signal indicating intelligent life, the emission of light, is any of this ambiguous to you? | ||
| None. | ||
| Absolutely zero. | ||
| It's absolutely certain. | ||
| There is no ambiguity about it whatsoever. | ||
| None. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| It does not exist. | ||
| It is certain that this thing is not a rock. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Doctor, it's going to be an interesting morning, and there are going to be many out there who are going to react with a wide spectrum of reaction, from fright to joy to anger. | ||
| And there is going to be some anger, Doctor. | ||
| So I would say prepare yourself for what's about to come. | ||
| I can only say, Art, that we knew that we were getting into this before we even... | ||
| I knew then that this process was going to be this way, and I faced that bridge at that time. | ||
| What we are going through now is something we've actually been looking forward to. | ||
| As traumatic as it may be for many, it's healthy. | ||
| All right, Doctor, that'll have to do it. | ||
| We will move next to Prudence Calabresi. | ||
| Thank you, Doctor. | ||
| We will talk with you soon. | ||
| It's my pleasure, Art. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| This is CBC. | ||
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Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295. | |
| That's 702-727-1295. | ||
| First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222. | ||
| 702-727-1222. | ||
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| The program tonight contains news which will be very disturbing to some people. | ||
| The content concerns news of first contact with unknown entities, life forms. | ||
| If you are disturbed by this sort of material, please turn your radio off now or tune to a different station. | ||
| If you are a parent, please exercise your parental responsibility. | ||
| What follows is, to the best of our knowledge, real and not in any way a drama, though it certainly has drama. | ||
| Coming up in a moment, Prudence Calabresi will tell you all about her. | ||
| In the last hour, Professor Courtney Brown from Emory University announced what we're going to be talking about this evening. | ||
| An astronomer at a top 10 university in America has taken a series of photographs which tend to confirm what Chuck Schramack imaged. | ||
| Tend to confirm? | ||
| They do confirm it. | ||
| A large object said to be a ship. | ||
| I repeat, a ship behind Hailbot. | ||
| These images show this object behind Hailbot. | ||
| In addition to the photographic evidence that we have, which we are not yet putting on the, I've got the photographs in front of me, we're not yet putting it on the internet because the photographs are altogether too good, too clear, and would identify the man that we're going to be talking to you about shortly and the telescope that took them. | ||
| They are that good and that professional. | ||
| This university professor, however, is within the week, we believe, going to hold a press conference, he indicates that, and announce these findings to the world. | ||
| This has been apparently talked about within top astronomical circles for some time now. | ||
| We'll update you on the whole thing. | ||
| In addition to the photographs, there have been radio astronomy signals received indicating intelligent control of this object. | ||
| The End Prudence Calabresi is the Director of Planetary Education at the Farsight Institute. | ||
| Her responsibilities as Director involve presenting information on the Farsight Institute website so others can see, examine, and discuss the remote viewing research that is conducted. | ||
| She has a strong graduate background in physics with emphasis in magnetics, cyclotrons, and astrophysics. | ||
| She is expected to receive her doctorate in physics in May of 1997. | ||
| She will be talking this morning about the efforts of the Farsight Institute to obtain verifying and to some degree corroborating evidence of the remote viewing data that was obtained by the Farsight Institute using its professional remote viewing staff regarding the anomaly apparently accompanying the comet Hailbop. | ||
| This information is available on the Farsight Institute website and was also discussed by Dr. Brown in an earlier Art Bell program. | ||
| Prudence Calabrese is as well a remote viewer trained by the Farsight Institute. | ||
| Here she is. | ||
| Prudence, welcome to the program. | ||
| Hi, Art. | ||
| Thanks very much. | ||
| Are you in Atlanta, Prudence? | ||
| Yes, I am. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, by now, we've really got a brouhaha going, and I'm not sure where to begin, except let me ask you, with all of your credentials, if we've got it right so far regarding the photographs from an astronomer at one of the top 10 universities here in America and the fact that there has been what appears to be an intelligent signal received from this object. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What we did when we first heard about a possible anomaly with the Hailbop Comet because of Chuck Scheramek and his photograph, we targeted Hailbop and found out through the remote viewing sessions that there apparently was some large object as a companion to Hailbop. | ||
| But we didn't stop there. | ||
| We decided, as we always do with any professional session at the Farsight Institute, that we need to find corroborating evidence. | ||
| And as far as a large companion to Hailbop, if it's there, someone somewhere must have seen it. | ||
| All right, this is where it begins to get very serious. | ||
| Because a lot of people in the audience will say, okay, remote viewing, yes, the government did it. | ||
| Yes, it's very interesting, but it's still off into the land in the public's, from a lot of the public's point of view, of psychic research. | ||
| Now, when you begin to talk about corroborating evidence, then you're talking about a very, very serious revelation. | ||
| Tell us, please, what you can about this professor. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This astronomer, he's an astrophysicist, actually, and he is one of just impeccable credentials. | ||
| He has taught at more than one of the top 10 universities in the United States in the areas of physics, astrophysics, and astronomy. | ||
| Now, his specialty is in planetary science, which is the formation and the life of planets and planet-like material, of which comets is included in that. | ||
| So he has the ideal specialty for an expert involved in this kind of discovery. | ||
| So he's the right guy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And he's been involved in successful efforts to discover planets around distant solar systems. | ||
| He's a real pioneer in his field. | ||
| He's a very brave and courageous person to have come forward, at least to us at this point, with this information. | ||
| How did that occur? | ||
| Did you go to him? | ||
| Did he come to you? | ||
| Can you tell us how the contact occurred? | ||
| What we did, after we did the Hailbot remote viewing sessions, we started calling around all the astrophysicists and astronomers that we had some personal contact with. | ||
| And we happened to run across this particular person. | ||
| And he said, well, yes, there are some observed anomalies with Halebos, although I'm not exactly sure what these anomalies mean. | ||
| And in the world of astronomy, they discover new things all the time. | ||
| There's always something new and unusual. | ||
| They're finding out, even about some of our closest neighbors, Mars, the Sun, Jupiter, Saturn. | ||
| So he said that, yes, there were some anomalies. | ||
| And then later, that same week, he called us back and said, I have some photographs that show another object traveling with this comet. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You've got those photographs. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Dr. Brown's got them, and I've got them in front of me. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Now, the immediate audience reaction, we've got some people who have joined since midnight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we're going to describe this object, but they're going to say right away, well, then why the hell don't you put these photographs up on the web so we can all see them? | ||
| And I certainly wish I could. | ||
| Please tell them why we can't. | ||
| Now, just the nature of the telescope involved in this particular series of photographs that we have, anyone with any type of astronomical training would be able to narrow it down to a few different observatories in the country just because of the type of image. | ||
| In other words, it's too good. | ||
| It's too good, exactly. | ||
| And it would then narrow down who this particular person is. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Why does this person not yet wish to be known? | ||
| Well, he, as he conveyed to us, he is wanting to get as much data as possible, and he wants to have a completely irrefutable analysis before he comes forward to the public. | ||
| He is concerned that if he comes forward at this point with these photographs and some other evidence that he has, that it won't be enough and that he'll just be besieged and his whole career will be in turmoil. | ||
| As well as he kind of fears for the safety of his family and himself. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So he wants to take some time and make sure he has everything lined up before he comes forward. | ||
| And he's talking to his family, I guess, too. | ||
| He is talking over the holidays to his family, and our indication is that he may come forward this next week with this information. | ||
| The news conference. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's discuss for the audience, this is radio prudence, so we'll just have to do the best we can. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But these photographs, let us discuss what is in the photographs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| First of all, I'd like to mention what in particular that he has seen, and then we'll get to the photographs. | ||
| Because this is just one series of different things that he has seen and others working with him. | ||
| And over the past year or so, they have seen an object with Hailbop on several occasions, and it has been photographed several different times. | ||
| One of those, by the way, is even on the Hailbop website itself showing an object next to Hailbop of just about equal, exactly equal brilliance. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah, the alleged Hailbop eyes. | ||
| Eyes, that's right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I just thought I would mention that. | ||
| That's another source. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Yeah, and many amateur astronomers have noted all sorts of anomalies with Hailbop as far as the corona, the path, objects near Halebop. | ||
| Now, we haven't done a scientific astronomical study on Halebop at the Farsaid Institute. | ||
| So most of those stories are just really anecdotal evidence. | ||
| But these photographs that we have here are just irrefutable. | ||
| It's not a star. | ||
| This object is clearly something traveling with the comet. | ||
| And this particular astronomer, they haven't seen the object every time they've looked, and there are some theories as to why that is. | ||
| It could be that the object is traveling around Halebach, and so you see it only sometimes when it's in an area when you're photographing the comet that it would be shown. | ||
| Another theory is that this is some type of interdimensional object, and it's able to kind of zap in and out of the picture at will. | ||
| Well, whatever it is, it's clearly in this series of high-resolution photographs. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so if you could describe exactly what's in the main photographs that we've got here, sort of paint a visual picture for the audience. | ||
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Right. | |
| Now, these are high-resolution astronomical photographs. | ||
| So the stars in these photographs don't look like little pinpoints. | ||
| They look like blobs. | ||
| Now, if this was taken from the Hubble telescope, the stars would still look like pinpoints because there would be no diffraction because of the atmosphere. | ||
| But because this was a ground-based telescope, there are several large star blobs around the comet. | ||
| The comet itself looks similar to the stars, but you can see the corona, so it's clear which of these objects is Halebop. | ||
| Oh, yes, easily clear. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now, there is one object that is right behind Halebop, which is not a star, and it's not on any star chart. | ||
| So if someone were to take this photograph and match it up with any of the catalogs or computer programs that generate a picture of the sky at that particular time, you would not find this object. | ||
| It is very bright. | ||
| It is as bright as the comet. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it is as large as the comet, and appears to be slightly larger in this particular photograph. | ||
| Immediately behind Hailbop. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| In fact, the images appear to almost mesh. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And if you look closely, you'll notice that this object is emitting light and that the light actually covers some of Hailbop. | ||
| So it actually kind of outshines Hailbop in these photographs. | ||
| If this object is physically behind Hailbop, what have you been able to determine with regard to its size? | ||
| Just from some preliminary calculations, and now I don't have all the data on this particular series of photographs, but just some preliminary calculations that I've done show that this object is clearly larger than the Earth. | ||
| I do not know how much larger, but it is clearly larger than the Earth. | ||
| Larger than the Earth. | ||
| Now, an object this size, one would think, well, if it's truly larger than the Earth, wouldn't the comet be orbiting it? | ||
| And that brings us to the idea that it is most likely hollow. | ||
| Therefore, the mass is low. | ||
| So you conclude that because it is not, otherwise the comet would indeed, because of the gravitic attraction, it would either consume it or orbit it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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| And so it clearly can't be a comet chunk either because it changes its position relative to Hailbop, but it doesn't trail Hailbop all the time, and it doesn't orbit Hailbop either. | ||
| Do we have documentation, aside from Mr. Schramick's photograph, of other positions Of this object. | ||
| The series of photographs that we have shows the object behind Hailbop over a time frame of several hours. | ||
| And during that time, you can see that the comet moves in relation to the star background, and the object moves with Hailbop, so it's not staying stationary with the stars, but it moves slightly in one direction, so it's not following one direct pathway with Hailbop. | ||
| It seems to be oscillating a bit. | ||
| There's no way a natural object could do the sort of gyrational movement with respect to Hailbop that this has done, is there? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| There is no calculation that you could do that could prove that this object was some natural object that happened to be captured by the comet. | ||
| You have had many hours of discussion with this professor, haven't you? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| How convinced is he that this is not ambiguous at all? | ||
| He is very convinced. | ||
| He's completely convinced. | ||
| When we first started talking with him, he thought that there was the possibility that this was some type of artificial object, but he wasn't committing himself at that point. | ||
| And then apparently he received some confirmation from other people in his field that have seen the same things, and one particular colleague of his who has detected radio signals from this object. | ||
| This colleague has a radio telescope? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| This is not an amateur with a radio telescope. | ||
| This is a professional? | ||
| This is a professional, another PhD in astrophysics who does all sorts of radio astronomy. | ||
| And he discovered on two different occasions a radio signal being transmitted from this exact object. | ||
| From this exact object? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Do you know anything about the nature of the radio signal? | ||
| Now, all that I know is that it has some type of complicated pattern to it. | ||
| And that would lend one to think that it is some type of intelligent signal. | ||
| Now, there are some astronomical objects that do give off patterned radio signals, pulsars, quasars, that kind of thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But this pattern apparently is very complex, and so it seems to rule out some type of natural means. | ||
| And nobody is working on decoding it. | ||
| They don't know what it means. | ||
| That was my next question. | ||
| They are presently working on decoding it. | ||
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| Last I heard several days ago, they really didn't have a clue as to what it meant. | ||
| It didn't fit into any mathematical formula that they thought of off the tops of their head. | ||
| Nevertheless, Prudence, my God, with these photographs and with a signal being received, which does not appear to be ambiguous at all, and with discussion going on at the top of the astronomical community quietly, privately, it is amazing to me that this has been kept quiet until now. | ||
| Oh, absolutely amazing. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| Although, if you look at the whole body of evidence for all sorts of strange objects and UFOs and just similar things, there have been a lot of secrets kept in this country. | ||
| And this is just one of those secrets that's being kept right now, although it seems to me that the evidence for this is growing and growing. | ||
| And considering that it's an object that's that large under some apparent intelligent control and it's headed our way, this is something that the public needs to know about. | ||
| Well, I couldn't agree more. | ||
| You are not a social scientist, so I guess I won't ask you what kind of reaction you think there will be among the public. | ||
| We'll do that with Whitley Striber, who will be on later, and who, by the way, has independently, with his own investigation, determined who this professor is. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| We are bound, are we not, by our word, to allow this man to make his own decision. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| It should be his decision to come forward. | ||
| All right, Prudence. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| We'll be right back to you. | ||
| Prudence Calabrezi is my guest now. | ||
| And once again, I'll just issue a short warning. | ||
| This is, for some people, very disturbing material. | ||
| If it disturbs you, turn it off. | ||
| I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC. | ||
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| Daym continues with Art Bell. | ||
| Back now to Prudence Calabre. | ||
| Prudence, are you there? | ||
| I'm here, Art. | ||
| Good. | ||
| She is in Atlanta, and I'm going to give you a little bit of raw reaction that we're getting from the audience. | ||
| For example, Art, we at the IART, the Art Bell IRC channel, are all just about saying this must be definitely a hoax simply because of the moral necessity of showing the photographs on the net grossly outweighing the need for one man's reputation. | ||
| If this were me, I would with no question post these and show the world the proof of the existence of others. | ||
| If not, this will just become another Roswell. | ||
| Let's address that. | ||
| Number one, what are the moral imperatives? | ||
| This is very serious information, Prudence. | ||
| And what are the moral imperatives? | ||
| Is this man's reputation more important than getting this out right away? | ||
| I've got the photographs. | ||
| You've got them. | ||
| Professor Brown has got them. | ||
| Just about everybody's got them. | ||
| And we're not releasing them. | ||
| So we really need to address that. | ||
| Where are the moral imperatives? | ||
| Well, it's always a tough call to make, and it's something that journalists, for example, have to do all the time because they have all sorts of sources that are secret that they just do not disclose because of what could potentially happen to the source. | ||
| But sometimes a journalist will come up with a piece of information from a source that he or she doesn't want to disclose, and they feel that this information is so important that they need to put it out there right away. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| And one of the reasons for doing this is the hope that other people with this same type of information will come forward because then they'll feel that they're not alone. | ||
| So that's one of our hopes is that other scientists out there who have observed strange things with Halebop will come forward after hearing this information. | ||
| So at this point, you are, after all, this man came to you in confidence, and so for at least a week or until he holds his news conference, you're going to hold his name and not release it, nor the name of the university. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| He is a tenured professor at this university, correct? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| All right, from Keith in Wisconsin. | ||
| Very interesting show, I understand, withholding the photos, but couldn't somebody figure where this photo was taken by the comments about these photos are so good. | ||
| They should be able to narrow it down to just a few. | ||
| That is likely, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There have been so many rumors going around already within the astronomical community and through the internet community and all over the place about who this particular person is. | ||
| I've also heard rumors that there are several other people that are holding evidence as well. | ||
| So it's probably a matter of time before this is going to break. | ||
| Now, I'm hoping that this particular source of ours decides to come forward of his own free will before someone figures out who he is. | ||
| Oh, or scoops him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All right, Prudence. | ||
| If in a reasonable time you have the photographs, I've got them. | ||
| Professor Brown has them. | ||
| Whitley Striber has them. | ||
| If within a reasonable time there is not a news conference, would you release these photos? | ||
| We have given this astronomer our word that we would not release the photos at this time. | ||
| We will be in contact with him after this show, and we'll check his reaction to all this and to see what kind of decisions he's come to. | ||
| And then I guess we'll reevaluate depending on what he plans on doing. | ||
| I can't answer that at this time. | ||
| All right. | ||
| One other thing the audience should know, and I believe that I'm on firm ground here, but this astronomer has agreed, has he not, to come on this program either immediately prior to or after the news conference that he plans to hold next week. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| He has given an indication that he would be willing to do that. | ||
| After he was contacted by us asking if he or anyone he knows has seen any abnormalities with Hailbop, it caused him to look further at the data that he's collected and things that he had been hearing through the rumor mill. | ||
| And as a result, he's started collecting all this data that shows that there is something clearly there. | ||
| And he is actually quite grateful that this was brought to his attention. | ||
| And so he said that he would be willing to speak on the show after or perhaps before his conference, depending on what he and his colleagues decide to do. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If you were to advise him now, if you were to give him advice, with this story breaking and prudence, it's not going to last very long. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The secret isn't going to last very long. | ||
| As you know, there's already rumors on the Internet with regard to what university it is, and I guess from you and Courtney, it's going to be no comment until you have fulfilled your moral obligation to this man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And to be fair, I don't think you can just conclude this information is so big that to hell with this man, release it. | ||
| You made promises. | ||
| They have to be good for something. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's going to be putting his reputation on the line over this, isn't he? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| And we don't know what kind of situation it will be for him when he comes forward. | ||
| His evidence is very good. | ||
| And what he's doing now is trying to line up as much of it as possible so that no one can come forward and say you're wrong. | ||
| The radio telescope signal that's being received, this is not being received by him. | ||
| He's an astronomer. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| And so this is coming from another unidentified but reliable source? | ||
| I'll put a question mark at the end of that. | ||
| Yeah, we believe it's a reliable source. | ||
| This is someone who's unknown to us, but that's known to this astronomer. | ||
| And apparently it is a professional, a degree professional, who has tracked this signal on two different occasions. | ||
| And I believe that they're now trying to decode it exactly. | ||
| So they obviously have tapes of this. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Then I would give my right arm to know what frequency they're listening to. | ||
| You don't know, do you? | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| And I wish I did myself because that is just some fascinating information. | ||
| Do you know whether the astronomer is privy to this information? | ||
| Yes, he does know what this information is. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Prudence, is there anything that I'm missing in terms of what I should be asking you? | ||
| Well, there are quite a few, four in particular, different Aspects of this object in the photograph. | ||
| And what's interesting about these four different aspects of the object is that it corroborates what our remote viewing data has been. | ||
| And so I'd like to kind of run through the list and explain what is seen in the photographs and what the astronomer has passed on to us and compare it to some of the data that we've received through our sessions. | ||
| And the first point is that the object is spheroid. | ||
| So it's a circular object of some sort, rounded, that it's artificial and that it's huge. | ||
| And these are clearly shown in the photographs. | ||
| You can say that it's artificial because it's emitting light and only stars and such emit light. | ||
| Is there a way from the light that it is emitting to determine that it is artificial and not a star? | ||
| In other words, is there any difference between light being emitted by this object and that of a star? | ||
| No, I am not sure what exactly the light type is being emitted from this object. | ||
| I don't have that information, but the fact that this object is moving with the comet would indicate that it's not a star because they just don't move around like that. | ||
| It also is not moving precisely with the comet, is it? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| It seems to have its own agenda and it's not a straight path. | ||
| It's not anything that you can predict. | ||
| If this object were to leave the relative vicinity as it approaches Earth of the comet and come close to Earth or orbit Earth or come, you know, graze Earth, what effect would there be? | ||
| Well, the fact that it is so huge that it's larger than the Earth, if it got too close to the Earth, it would certainly pull us out of our orbit, which could be devastating. | ||
| The remote viewing data seems to suggest that that won't happen. | ||
| We don't know how close it's going to come. | ||
| It would also most likely, depending on its position, block out the light of the sun and create just a lot of chaos. | ||
| Block out the light of the sun. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| If it's larger than the Earth, it's going to block out the light of the sun. | ||
| Do you know for what period of time based on its present trajectory? | ||
| If you look at its present trajectory, then the closest it's going to come to Earth is around April when Hailbop reaches its closest point in relation to the Earth. | ||
| And at that point, Hailbop is still so far away. | ||
| 123 million miles close to the bottom. | ||
| Exactly, that we would be able to see it visually, but it wouldn't have that kind of effect on Earth. | ||
| Now, we don't know if this object is going to disappear. | ||
| It sometimes is seen and sometimes it isn't seen. | ||
| We don't know if it's going to change its course all of a sudden and go somewhere else or if it's going to come closer. | ||
| And we don't understand the complete nature of this object. | ||
| It could be something that breaks apart into multiple pieces as well. | ||
| There are just so many unknowns that it is just impossible to predict what this thing is going to do. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You are also a trained remote viewer. | ||
| Aside from your scientific background, you're a trained remote viewer. | ||
| Are you comfortable that this object has benign intentions? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Every session that has come in now. | ||
| Now, I myself have not done one of the Hailbot sessions, but every session that has come in has had a benign type of intelligence controlling it. | ||
| And it seems to be that the purpose behind the beings operating this object, their purpose is to wake up Earth in some way and to get open contact going. | ||
| There have been a lot of other predictions that this type of activity would happen close to the end of the century. | ||
| So this seems to fit what a lot of other people are coming up with as well. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Are there any observed anomalies with Halebop itself? | ||
| If you disregard the behavior of the object with it for just a second, does Halebop otherwise appear to be the normal, fairly normal comet that it is? | ||
| Or are there anomalies associated with the comet itself? | ||
| Now, that's a good question because that's a question that's difficult to answer. | ||
| Now, every comet has its own personality, really, and its own little strange quirks in behavior. | ||
| And Halebop has certainly had plenty of those. | ||
| People have observed different chunks coming off the nucleus. | ||
| People have observed the corona shrinking and then growing back in areas before the sun would have been working on it. | ||
| So there's been some strange anomalies there. | ||
| There have been some reported anomalies as far as the path of Halebop, which seems to indicate that it could be under the gravitational influence of some larger object at certain times. | ||
| But these are, all this evidence is still pretty slim with what's been released. | ||
| Did Halebop have a corona before it should have? | ||
| Now, comets, I'm not an astronomer, but my understanding is coronas come from pieces of the comet literally boiling off as they near the sun. | ||
| Isn't that? | ||
| That's exactly correct. | ||
| In the corona, it was very bright with Halebop months before one would expect it to be. | ||
| So where was the energy coming from to create that corona then? | ||
| No one has been able to answer that satisfactorily. | ||
| Most astronomers on the record have been saying, well, you know, every comet's different, but that's a question that just has not been addressed adequately. | ||
| Prudence, is it possible that Halebop's companion is emitting some sort of energy back before the sun affected this comet? | ||
| In other words, could the companion account for the energy? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This companion is uniformly bright, so it looks like a star in the photographs. | ||
| It's very similar to a star in that it's emitting light. | ||
| It's very bright all the way around. | ||
| And anything that is that bright obviously has some type of major energy source that could heat up the comet. | ||
| Precisely. | ||
| And some of our remote viewing data seems to suggest that there's some type of ionization going on. | ||
| And some of the data refers to the object as being bright and glowing, having a glowing luminescence, being bright, glowing, and translucent. | ||
| So there's a possibility. | ||
| All right. | ||
| With respect to the image that Chuck Schramack took, the astronomical community, Alan Hale, others, all crashed in on Chuck and said, wrong. | ||
| It's a star. | ||
| And they gave the number of the star and so forth and so on, a red giant or whatever it was. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Chuck went back and reimaged. | ||
| And yes, sure enough, at that location he found a star, but nothing that would account for the incredible brightness and size of the object that he originally imaged. | ||
| Now, in this photograph, the ones that we have and are not yet releasing, this incredible object behind Halebaum, is there any possibility that this astronomer at this major university has made a mistake and it is a star? | ||
| It is just not possible. | ||
| This object is too large. | ||
| If you look at the photographs, there are several large stars in the immediate vicinity. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And those are all accounted for. | ||
| If you look at any star catalog, star chart, star chart program, computer program, those bright stars would show up. | ||
| But where this large object is, there just is no star of any magnitude that would even approach showing such a large luminous object. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so the audience understands it is not a single photograph. | ||
| This man has taken how many? | ||
| Over many, many hours in this particular series? | ||
| In this particular series, I don't know how many he's taken total. | ||
| We have five clear shots, but I know that there were much more. | ||
| Probably a couple hundred would be my guess. | ||
| A couple of hundred. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right, Prudence, I'm going to ask you to hold on. | ||
| When we come back, I want to let the audience ask some questions. | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| That's great. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I would like to tell the audience that obviously many of you are going to want a copy of this program. | ||
| You are going to want to archive this program. | ||
| I don't blame you a bit. | ||
| The program began with Courtney Brown from Emory University. | ||
| It continues now with Prudence Calabresi and will end up in the final two hours with Whitley Streeber. | ||
| Right now, we are describing the hard information contained in the photographs and what information we have about the signal received by a major radio telescope. | ||
| It is first contact kind of information. | ||
| If you want a copy of this program, it will run the entire five hours, obviously. | ||
| The number to call is 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| Let me give that again. | ||
| It's 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| Now, when we come back, we will begin to take some questions for Prudence Galabresi from the audience, as we will when Whitley is here. | ||
| We understand the gravity of the information you're receiving this morning, and we understand that you're going to want to ask some hard questions, and we're going to give you that opportunity. | ||
| So, there you have it. | ||
| And again, to get a copy of this program, to archive it, you can call 1-800-917-4278. | ||
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Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295. | |
| That's 702-727-1295. | ||
| First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222. | ||
| 702-727-1222. | ||
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| The program tonight contains news which will be very disturbing to some people. | ||
| The content concerns news of first contact with an unknown species or entity. | ||
| If you are disturbed by this sort of material, please turn your radio off now or tune to a different station. | ||
| If you are a parent, please exercise your parental responsibility. | ||
| What follows is, to the best of our knowledge, real and not a drama. | ||
| Here's what's happened so far. | ||
| A professor Courtney Brown from Emory University, a tenured professor at Emory, took the first hour and announced the remarkable information that we are now pursuing with Prudence Calabrese. | ||
| Prudence Calabrese is the Director of Planetary Education at the Farsight Institute. | ||
| Her responsibilities as director involved presenting information on the Farsight Institute website so others can see, examine, and discuss this research free of charge. | ||
| She has a strong graduate background in physics with emphasis in magnetics, cyclotrons, and astrophysics. | ||
| She is expected to receive her doctorate in physics in May of 1997. | ||
| She is here discussing the photographs from a top 10 university and a professor of astronomy at that university that show an object behind Halebach that is not natural. | ||
| In addition, she has said they are receiving or signals have been received indicating this, from this object, indicating it is indeed controlled by some intelligence. | ||
| Work is underway now to decode these signals. | ||
| Back now to Prudence Calabresi in Atlanta, Georgia. | ||
| Prudence, I guess we're about to take some calls. | ||
| I guess that Professor Brown, though he's tenured at Emory, and yourself, certainly, as well as Whitley Streeber, all of you, and to some degree myself as well, have our necks out on the line on this one. | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| And I'm curious what kind of personal machinations you went through, machinations you went through, before you decided to go public? | ||
| I talked with Dr. Brown and with Whitley at length about all this and with my family because it is information that is just not typical. | ||
| And most people, I think, would be afraid to come out, which is why this astronomer is taking his time. | ||
| How did your family advise you? | ||
| Oh, well, we've been interested in remote viewing and on all sorts of things for some time. | ||
| So we thought that this was a fine thing to do, considering that my career is with the Farsight Institute at this point. | ||
| So there really is no career question for me. | ||
| And for Professor Brown? | ||
| And for Professor Brown, I admire him very much for coming forward with this information, really, with the entire remote viewing and with Cosmic Voyage that he has, because that's put his career on the line. | ||
| And so far, it's been okay. | ||
| Emory University, thankfully, has a reputation for allowing all sorts of academic inquiry. | ||
| So far, he's been doing okay, although there's been a lot of, we've received a lot of slack for some of the information we've put out. | ||
| But we're standing by our remote viewing results and just expecting that in the end, in the future, that those results will speak for themselves. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I want my audience to understand, I do not have the name of this professor. | ||
| I want to level with my audience. | ||
| I know the university. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I am bound by the same, I guess, professional ethic that you are at this point, not to reveal it. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But that's the extent of the information I have, folks, is I know the university. | ||
| I don't know the professor's name. | ||
| It is a top 10 university. | ||
| He is, just before we get to the phones here, if you would one more time, please describe for the audience what we know about this professor. | ||
| Well, he has worked at more than one of the top 10 universities in the field of astronomy, physics, and astrophysics. | ||
| His specialty is in planetary science, which is really the ideal field for this kind of discovery because planetary science involves all sorts of planetary type matter, asteroids, meteors, planets, comets. | ||
| He is one of the pioneers in discovering planets outside of our own solar system. | ||
| And there have been many announcements recently about new planets discovered. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's been a real swarm of new planet announcements. | ||
| So he's at that level. | ||
| He is at that level. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And again, to go over this one more time, he is to release this information, we believe, next week in a major news conference. | ||
| That is the indication he has given us at this time, and we are certainly hoping that he does so because this information is of extreme importance. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's go then to the lines and begin to talk to some people. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Prudence Calabresi and Art Bell. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hi, Arten. | ||
| Ms. Calabrese. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Jeff from Tahoe, California. | |
| Before we get into scientific explanations of what's going on and everything, I just want to kind of touch on the moral issue of what's going on here. | ||
| I totally have respect for you guys. | ||
| You guys are obviously sticking your neck out on the line. | ||
| And I guess what your callers just probably need to hear is reassurance on that level. | ||
| Obviously, if this is a hoax, I'm being entertained tonight, but I don't believe it is. | ||
| believe your both respect respectable people in and and going on that so i just That is, to the best of my knowledge, this is real. | ||
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Right. | |
| And there are a number of pretty heavyweight people, including Prudence, including Professor Brown, including Whitley Streeber, who've got their necks out on the line. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, I really have no problem with that if it's true, just in the sense of the hoax. | ||
| I mean, you're going back to the Whirl of Worlds time with Oris Noels and that kind of stuff. | ||
| If it's a hoax, I mean, it could cause a lot of problems. | ||
| And so I understand that you probably went through that dilemma before you came on the show tonight. | ||
| You've got that right. | ||
| In dealing with that. | ||
| We all did. | ||
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Yeah, you bet. | |
| I bet you did. | ||
| And so I have a lot of respect for you on that level. | ||
| And it's just a matter of reassuring your listeners on that, I believe. | ||
| And that's just what I really want to touch basis with you guys on. | ||
| And Jeff, one thing that I'd like to bring up is that there have been rumors that other people also have some type of confirmation that there is an object out there. | ||
| And we're hoping that this is going to give them enough courage to, at the very least, pass their information on to someone who's willing to come forward with the information. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, if this information is all correct, I think it's a wonderful thing. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I have no fear, and I think people need to be relieved of their fear. | ||
| I hope it's a wonderful thing. | ||
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Well, I guess we'll find out. | |
| Thank you, my friend. | ||
| Yes, I guess we will. | ||
| And the bottom line is that once you understand what's going on here, that this is an artificial object, that we do have radio telescope signals that have been received that don't seem ambiguous in terms of whether they are natural or not natural, then I guess you're going to conclude, I mean, this thing is larger than Earth. | ||
| Pretty much, it's going to do what it wants to do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We really don't have a say in the matter, considering the size of this object and obviously the technology involved is far beyond what our capabilities are even understanding is at this point. | ||
| All right, let's keep moving. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Prudence Calabre and Art Bell. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hey, Art. | ||
| Hey, Prudence. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm in Las Vegas. | |
| All right. | ||
| I'm holding some reservations open to this thing because, you know, basically I'm going on the radio waves if we can get some proof of that. | ||
| But if it's hollow, it could be a transport or a pickup. | ||
| And I get the distinct impression that people of this planet should be looking towards incidents of atmosphere-bound meteors and activities that are happening right now as we speak, pretty much. | ||
| And that this thing they're talking about is, you know, rather than take the word of an astronomer who won't even come out and admit he's the discoverer. | ||
| Well, he is going to do that next week, sir. | ||
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Yeah, okay. | |
| And I'm with him all the way. | ||
| If there's something up there, I want to know about it. | ||
| But let's get some radio waves on some printer paper. | ||
| Radio waves on printer paper, all right. | ||
| Prudence, that's a kind of an interesting question. | ||
| At some point, or at what point, will we be able to get, for example, recordings, the frequency of the radio signal that's coming in, that sort of thing? | ||
| When do you think that might be available? | ||
| I'm hoping that that's available very soon. | ||
| Now, if this object continues to emit these signals, then other people will certainly be picking this up. | ||
| And as the object approaches closer, there's the possibility that the amount of signal will increase, In which case, there'll be no ambiguity. | ||
| Anyone with a radio telescope will be able to record this data. | ||
| Once they know where to look and once they know what frequency to listen on, there's no question about it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And now that people are aware of what we're reporting tonight, then you know a lot more telescopes, radio telescopes, all sorts of collection data will be focused on this comet. | ||
| All right, that would be incredibly helpful, obviously, Prudence, because we could get that information out and begin other people looking for it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So as soon as you have that, whenever that is, I will put you on the air immediately and we'll give them the details. | ||
| All right, good. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Prudence Calabri and Art Bell. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Going once. | ||
| Going twice. | ||
| Go on. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Prudence Calabri and Art Bell. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi, I'm sorry. | |
| I'm just curious, if this gentleman is going to have a press conference, what will be the extent of the coverage? | ||
| Because I want to believe. | ||
| I believe and I don't believe. | ||
| But what I need is, like Dan Rather, or Peter Jennings, to step forward and say, here's the story. | ||
| Will this happen? | ||
| Will that be the extent of this? | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| What will the nature of the press conference be, do you think, Prudence? | ||
| Well, my feeling on that, and really I have no way of knowing that for sure, but if he decides, you know, for certain to come forward, a person of his credentials and stature would certainly be CNN type of news. | ||
| It certainly would be. | ||
| This would be something that everyone would want to know because of his credentials and his background and the evidence that he's amassing at this point. | ||
| So I would expect that if this press conference happens, as we are really hoping that it does, that it will be big news and you won't miss it. | ||
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If the comet comes close enough in April, I guess would the networks cover it more towards then? | |
| Well, with regard to the coverage of the comet, there's absolutely no question in March and April of 97, there's going to be, aside from everything else, all the news you're hearing this morning, the coverage of the comet will be intense in that time period. | ||
| Correct, Prudence? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because the comet will be completely visible to the naked eye. | ||
| You'll be able to see it, and it should be visible during the day. | ||
| So they'll be doing all sorts of studies on the comet, and you'll be able to see it yourself. | ||
| So if this object is continuing with the comet, at that point you'll be able to see the object as well. | ||
| What kind of reaction do you expect from a lot of the astronomical community now, Prudence? | ||
| Right now, I fully expect, at least in this interim period, before people step forward with their information, I expect a lot of disbelief out in the open at any rate, and a lot of people saying that this cannot possibly be true, that they themselves haven't seen this, that they themselves haven't heard about this. | ||
| But there will be some people that really won't say anything at all. | ||
| And these will be the people that know what's going on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I've got the photographs. | ||
| I'm not an astronomer. | ||
| I'm not good at interpreting what I see. | ||
| Clearly, the comet, the corona are visible. | ||
| The object behind Hailbop is clearly visible, almost meshed or I'm not sure how to put this, but the light from the object is so bright that it seems to be actually almost overcoming the light from Hellbop itself. | ||
| Is that a good assessment? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| It's certainly blocking out the light, at least in that back portion of the comet. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let us continue. | ||
| On the first time, call our line. | ||
| You're on the air with Art Bell and Prudence Calabrese. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Art. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm calling from Santa Fe, New Mexico. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Jim, turn it off. | |
| I would like to give some information on what I have remote viewed about the companion that is traveling with Hellbot. | ||
| Where did you train for remote viewing? | ||
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I train myself. | |
| I'm not anyone. | ||
| I'm just a no-one. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Having said that, go ahead. | ||
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First of all, the first time I remote viewed Hellbot and his companion was the first week of September of this year. | |
| And it was an incredible experience. | ||
| I was meditating, and I had read Courtney Brown's book months ago when it first came out. | ||
| So I had been asking to remote view. | ||
| I've done other things. | ||
| And all of a sudden, I was at Hellb. | ||
| And what I saw were the spikes that they've been talking about. | ||
| And it's a huge, huge consciousness. | ||
| It is a ship, but it's a consciousness. | ||
| And it is not one species. | ||
| It is not one particular set of beings. | ||
| It is many set of beings. | ||
| And it is nothing to be afraid of. | ||
| They are coming here to help us, like Prudence said, and like people have said that have called in, to wake up. | ||
| Pardon me? | ||
| I said, all right. | ||
| Prudence, does that coincide with pretty much what you have determined to be true? | ||
| It certainly does on quite a few levels. | ||
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There's more. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, we'll get to it. | ||
| Well, go ahead. | ||
| What more is there, Matt? | ||
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Well, okay, when I remote viewed Hellbop and his companion, I came in from the top. | |
| So looking at it from the top, the spikes were like flattened out, like you're looking down at it. | ||
| And I went inside of it. | ||
| And it is the most incredible, loving thing I have ever experienced in my life. | ||
| It is love. | ||
| It is life. | ||
| And it is multifaceted, multi-leveled. | ||
| And it is, in a sense, what I was told. | ||
| It is us meeting us. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Us meeting us. | ||
| Does that make any sense to you, Prudence? | ||
| It actually does follow along with what some of the remote viewing data seems to suggest. | ||
| What some of these remote viewers are walking away from this session is with the feeling that this object is very much involved in some type of consciousness awakening, in that its express purpose is to have some kind of interaction with humanity on Earth with the intention of helping us achieve some kind of higher level. | ||
| And so those things kind of go along with that. | ||
| Now, he wasn't then talking about a radio signal that we now have information about. | ||
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Right. | |
| He was talking about something at another level of consciousness, something that a lot of people on this planet are receiving. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Could receive. | ||
| And I wonder how many people out there indeed think that they are receiving some sort of message. | ||
| Is that a reasonable question to ask? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| And after the last show, I received just myself over 4,000 emails, most of those from people who have been having all kinds of experiences recently in the past six months, whether it's been experiences with visitors like what Whitley Striever is going to be talking about later today. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or experiences, just ideas about this comet since it's been discovered. | ||
| So there's a big, mass reaction. | ||
| There's a big mass reaction, and it seems to be overwhelmingly positive. | ||
| All right, hold tight, Prudence. | ||
| You're listening to the American CBC Radio Network. | ||
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| Again, we have photographs of an object taken at a major university, top 10, by an astronomer who is impeccably qualified to know what he has taken, that show an object that is with Hailbop, if you wish, Halebop's companion. | ||
| It is large, larger than Earth, if present calculations are accurate. | ||
| It is also emitting now a radio signal taped and presently trying to be decoded by those who received it. | ||
| A radio astronomy telescope has picked up these signals. | ||
| Here talking about it is Prudence Calabreisi. | ||
| Prudence, you're back on the air. | ||
| Hi, Art. | ||
| I just got a fact, and it retrenches some of what we've already done, but the question is, could this object be using the comet for its energy or propulsion system, or itself creating some kind of fusion that is heating the comet, again, accounting for the outgassing before there should have been outgassing? | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Any of those possibilities are possible. | ||
| We really don't know what is propelling this object along, and we still don't know whether or not it's some type of interdimensional object, in other words, able to zap in and out of our universe, our visible universe. | ||
| It does emit light, and it does seem to be affecting the comet in various ways. | ||
| So those are our possibilities. | ||
| Where there's that much light, there's probably some heat. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's fair to conclude. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Prudence Calabrese. | ||
| Where are you, please? | ||
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I'm calling from Cleveland, Ohio. | |
| Yes, ma'am. | ||
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God, I've got so many questions. | |
| I've been listening to Art Bell for about six months now and never believed in extraterrestrials before I started listening here. | ||
| And I was wondering that you were talking about this object possibly being able to blot out the sun. | ||
| And there was a theory of a few shows ago about three days of darkness with Father Malachi Martin, I believe. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Also, the comet is supposed to be coming close to Earth in the beginning of April. | ||
| Will we be able to see the comet, number one, with our naked eye, and number two, if this object stays with the comet, will we be able to see this object also? | ||
| Oh, these are both very good questions. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So in April, what will our sky look like in all likelihood, Prudence? | ||
| You'll be able to see Halebop, and it should be very visible to just about anybody. | ||
| If this object traveling with it were to maintain its present brightness. | ||
| You would see it. | ||
| It would be very bright in the sky, and it would appear almost as another sun. | ||
| Not quite that bright, but there would be a very large luminous object with the comet. | ||
| You may not even be able to see the comet. | ||
| Would it be brighter than the moon? | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| That is what our preliminary investigation seems to indicate. | ||
| It would depend. | ||
| I don't know if this object is able to control the amount of light that it emits. | ||
| All right, here are several good questions by facts from Jeff in Burbank, California. | ||
| One, should he, the astronomer, decide to go public, which we believe he will, what are the chances that this astronomer might be preemptively silenced or discredited? | ||
| It seems likely that he and his family are already in grave potential danger. | ||
| If Whitley Strieber can figure out who this guy is, surely our government can as well. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Most likely, the government already knows who this fellow is. | ||
| It's no secret in some astronomical circles who he is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And the audience needs to know, Prudence, that everybody involved, myself, yourself, Professor Brown, Whitley, we're all honoring, and we really must honor our word to this man to keep our mouths shut through at least next week while he talks to his family. | ||
| There is a moral imperative, and I think that is the one. | ||
| Absolutely, because we don't know what group would be interested in silencing him. | ||
| We don't know who would try to discredit him or debunk him. | ||
| So we need to leave it completely up to him whether or not he wants to go through what would be quite a grueling experience. | ||
| Prudence, of the time that we have been observing this companion, or more accurately, people in major universities have. | ||
| How long has it been observable? | ||
| Can you tell us? | ||
| It's been observable for about 20 months, I believe. | ||
| And honestly, not that many people have been following the comet. | ||
| Comets in general are something that amateur astronomers follow For the most part, and scientists do study them off and on, but there's so many unexplained things out in the heavens that, for the most part, comets aren't highly studied in detail until they reach as close to the Earth as is possible. | ||
| There are probably some ongoing studies with Halebop that are looking in on it at certain periods, but there probably hasn't been a large concentrated effort to study hail-bop until now, I'm sure. | ||
| If our government doesn't know about this, then they should have known. | ||
| And so you've got to conclude they do know and simply have said nothing yet. | ||
| Is that reasonable? | ||
| That's reasonable. | ||
| And the data in our remote viewing sessions indicates that NASA is very much aware and has photographs of this object. | ||
| And that's what we're believing at this point. | ||
| All right, now what about we have this great orbiting telescope named Hubble? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why can't Hubble look at it? | ||
| Why hasn't Hubble looked at it? | ||
| And has Hubble looked at it? | ||
| and those pictures have been held back? | ||
| I'm not sure whether or not Hubble has taken photographs of this particular companion to Hale-Bopp. | ||
| I know that Hubble is in high demand, Hubble time, and you have to schedule it far, far in advance, and you only get a certain segment of time, and there are certain... | ||
| But if it has, I'm sure that it has been suppressed. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on there with Prudence Calabrese and Art Bell. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Yes, hi. | |
| How are you doing? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm in Portland, Oregon. | |
| All right. | ||
| I have a question with respect to the global ramifications. | ||
| Once should this astronomer come public and with respect to when this comet and this companion is in view in April, what do you think that could do to say like the stock market? | ||
| All right. | ||
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All the stock markets. | |
| Yeah, in other words, economics, human activity, that sort of thing, Prudence. | ||
| Again, you're not a social scientist. | ||
| You're not here to comment on that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, just my personal feeling is that that's one of the main reasons that our government hasn't come forward and admitted that they have evidence of extraterrestrial life yet. | ||
| With all the body of evidence, so many UFO sightings, hard evidence, alleged crashes, the millions of people who have undergone visitor experiences in our government still denies the existence of extraterrestrial life in the world. | ||
| They're concerned about social disruption. | ||
| I absolutely don't know. | ||
| Okay, then the question then is begged. | ||
| Why are you coming forward? | ||
| You can only answer for yourself, I know, but why are you coming forward now? | ||
| If those are the consequences. | ||
| And I don't think that those need to be the consequences. | ||
| I think that the government really doesn't understand the stamina and the courage of its own people. | ||
| I believe that the beings operating this object are not hostile and that they're coming to bring something to us that we need and that and sure, whenever there is a big event or an announcement, there will be chaos. | ||
| But I believe that after the initial shock, that people will come to accept it. | ||
| I mean, people have had to accept all sorts of things throughout human history. | ||
| And I believe that this will really be no different, that there will be an initial shock, but then people will bounce back. | ||
| All right, on balance then, as far as you're concerned, more important to know than not know. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| All right, first time caller line, you're on the air with Prudence Calabre and Art Bell. | ||
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Yeah, good morning, Prudence. | |
| Good morning, Art. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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I'm calling from Kearney, Nebraska, and I listen to your program on KGFW. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I have two questions. | |
| If the gentleman or the astronomer that has the evidence decides to not come forward, which I can hardly blame the man, will we be able to get a hard copy of the picture of the Hellbob, which I've seen on your website, Art, through Art Show or have somewhere where we can order it? | ||
| Well, I'll be faced with my own decision. | ||
| Each one of us that now possesses these photographs, I think, is morally bound not to release them until either this man decides he is going to come forward or makes a decision that he is not. | ||
| At the moment, he would make a decision that he would not come forward. | ||
| I would be faced personally with that decision, as would the others in this group. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Prudent? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| At this point, we at the Farside Institute have given our word that we would not release any of his information while he's in the process of collecting more data and analyzing it. | ||
| And he thought that that would take around a week to do until he thought that that would be the point at which he would feel comfortable. | ||
| And we'll be continuing to talk with him. | ||
| And he may, if he decides to wait longer, he may decide to release the photographs. | ||
| We're really not sure at this point. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And my second question is, I'm calling from Nebraska at Kearney. | ||
| We're in the middle of the United States. | ||
| What part of the sky will we be able to see the comet in April? | ||
| All right, that's a good question. | ||
| Can you answer that, Prudence? | ||
| You know, honestly, I'm not sure, to tell the truth. | ||
| I believe it's going to be close to the horizon, but I would have to check. | ||
| I've seen some recent paths of the comet, and I believe the comet is going to be cutting across the orbits of most of the planets, isn't that correct? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But where it's going to be on the horizon, I don't know that either. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Prudence, Calabri, and Art Bell. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hello, this is Chris from Port Townsend, Washington. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I'm calling only for the first part to talk about a caller you had before the last break that spoke that she could remote view. | |
| Yes. | ||
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And in her findings, I found them very similar to your previous show that you had, except for one interesting detail. | |
| She mentions that she was overcome with overwhelming love. | ||
| And I distinctly remember Courtney Brown saying that there was a total lack of any emotion. | ||
| And I recall, because it disturbed me, that there was no emotion coming from this object. | ||
| It was a purely intellectual type of a deal. | ||
| Oh, that's a very good question. | ||
| Prudence, is that accurate? | ||
| Is the remote viewing data that you have showing that there is an overwhelming lack of emotion or what? | ||
| Well, the target for these sessions was the object itself and not the intelligence behind it because we weren't sure what this object was when we targeted it. | ||
| And so when you target an object, you're going to be focusing on the object itself. | ||
| Now, if we had targeted the being, then we would have probably gotten whatever emotions that they're carrying. | ||
| But the object itself, if it's a mechanical structure of some sort, to have a lack of emotion would make sense. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, I just read the reports on the website and also listened, and it said that it was like in a matrix of thought, and that it was not just an object, it also had a sentience to it, but that it lacked emotion. | ||
| But anyway, another point I was going to make is that two things. | ||
| First off is that it seems to be going to uncover some type of truth here or has knowledge that it wants to reveal. | ||
| And another thing is that it's, you say it emits light. | ||
| And as time goes by, terms are forgotten what they mean. | ||
| But one term I wanted to let people know about is apocalypse, means to uncover or expose the truth. | ||
| That's the actual meaning. | ||
| And the Latin root or what Lucifer means in Latin is light bearer. | ||
| And that's pretty much all the points that I wanted to make. | ||
| All right, caller, I have one question for you before we cut you loose here. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Had you been in my position or Prudence's position or Professor Brown's or Whitley's position, would you choose to air this information as we are now or would you keep it quiet? | ||
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I think that the truth should be aired now. | |
| And I just fear that people don't have the spiritual, and I'm not speaking from a particular discipline, but I feel that people are going to need whatever they can get at that's going to cause them to have spiritual stability. | ||
| They're going to need to find some framework to put this knowledge in. | ||
| I do agree. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And these are the throws that we've all gone through. | ||
| And I would just ask the audience to generally consider themselves. | ||
| If you had what I had in terms of information, or any of the rest of this group, what would you have done? | ||
| Kept it to yourself? | ||
| Or would you stick your neck out and air it? | ||
| And I think most people would say they would air it. | ||
| It's a close call in some ways, but, you know, let the truth out. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Prudence Calabresi. | ||
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Yes, hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Yeah, this is Mark from Eugene, Oregon. | |
| Hello, Mark. | ||
| Hi, Mark. | ||
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I'm kind of exciting to be on here. | |
| Art, I kind of know you through AOL. | ||
| I do Planet Earth Magazine. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I have a pretty unbelievable confirmation of what you're talking about. | |
| I listen to your show every night. | ||
| I am somebody who's remembered dreams very vividly for 30 years in my life. | ||
| And 10 days before Hailbop was even discovered, I dug out my dream notebook. | ||
| And I have it right in front of me for July 13th of 1995. | ||
| And I just wanted to tell you, Art, and your guest, and also from your show that you did the other time, where you mentioned about the Saturn-like object. | ||
| Saturn-looking object. | ||
| That was the image of the taken by Chuck Sharamik, yes. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Well, the astounding thing, when I listened to that first show, I was at my office, and I did a double take because I remembered I had this vivid dream 10 days before Hellbop was even discovered, and I found in my journal, I wrote it down, | ||
| and what it was, just briefly, and then you can take it for what it's worth, suddenly on the Earth, an enormous planet or asteroid, this is coming right from my notebook, had appeared in the sky, and there was a kind of feeling, what is that? | ||
| And there was a realization that either some kind of end of the world as we knew it was happening, there were many people coming about on the planet. | ||
| There were some feelings of panic and foreboding, but there was also a sense of climax, an amazing rendezvous with destiny. | ||
| And I had that dream, and then about an hour and a half, I woke up from another technicolor kind of dream, and this is what's so astounding, because what I wrote down was that the sky was filled with strange colors. | ||
| Suddenly, twilight descended, and the universe was alive. | ||
| And there seemed to be these moons. | ||
| This is what I wrote down, again, 10 days before Halebaf was discovered. | ||
| And I wrote down specifically, and a Saturn-looking planet, very large, was on the left, moving about our world. | ||
| And I wrote down, night lasted only a few minutes. | ||
| Many people were out and about. | ||
| And there was a realization that the world had changed. | ||
| There would be no more nighttime. | ||
| The universe had moved to new space or neighborhood. | ||
| All right, sir. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| And Prudence, quickly, because we don't have a lot of time. | ||
| The kind of thing the man just described as a dream, what others are relating as remote viewing or something they feel, is this, in all probability, a reaction to the signal that's coming from this thing? | ||
| It very well could be. | ||
| Like I mentioned before, I have just been receiving countless messages from people who have had similar dreams, who have had visions, who have just intuitively felt something even before this comet was ever announced or before they've ever heard anything about it or about the companion object. | ||
| It's something that is a big movement that people are really following. | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| Prudence, is there a way people can email or write to you? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You can write to me at, my email address is webmaster, W-E-B-M-A-S-T-E-R at farsight, S-A-R-S-I-G-H-T dot org. | ||
| And if you visit the Farsight Institute website at www.farsight.org, then there are plenty of links in there to my email address. | ||
| I am the webmaster for the site as well. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, the next few days, even tomorrow, the next day, the beginning of the week, if the news conference occurs or whether or not it does, if we get information about the radio astronomy signal being received and or information about it being decoded or the frequency or the nature of the signal or more photographs confirming this from other astronomers, I presume you'll be in touch with me right away. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Any final advice for those listening to all of this tonight? | ||
| My only advice is that you should just keep an open mind and wait for all the evidence to come in and just keep in your thoughts, this astronomer, as he is in our thoughts. | ||
| And we're hoping that he continues to have the courage To come forward with this information, and that others who have heard this who also have information will come forward as well. | ||
| Prudence, it has been a distinct pleasure. | ||
| Thank you, Art. | ||
| My pleasure as well. | ||
| You're very brave. | ||
| Thank you, Prudence. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| That's Prudence Calabre. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| We're going to take a break at the top of the hour, and then we're going to speak with Whitley Streeber, one of the nation's premier authors, on subjects that relate to this. | ||
| His books, Communion, The Secret School, soon to come. | ||
| Whitley Strieber coming up next. | ||
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You are listening to an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | |
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| Now, back to the best of Art Bell. | ||
| The program tonight contains news which will be very disturbing to some people. | ||
| The content concerns news of first contact with unknown entities. | ||
| If you are disturbed by this sort of material, please turn your radio off now or tune to a different station. | ||
| If you are a parent, please exercise your parental responsibility. | ||
| What follows is, to the best of our knowledge, real and not a drama. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| In the first hour, we heard from Professor Courtney Brown, Emory University's Courtney Brown. | ||
| In the second and third hours, we heard from Ms. Calabre, and she filled us in on the professor who has imaged these incredible photographs of a companion to Halebop, something larger than planet Earth. | ||
| Seen now behind Hailbop, imaged by a professor of astronomy at a top 10 university that we are not now identifying, nor have we released the photographs because they would identify the telescope in question. | ||
| We are bound by our word not to do this until, at least until, he holds a press conference next week. | ||
| Additionally, this same professor has relayed to us the fact that a radio astronomy telescope has picked up what appear to be unambiguously intelligent radio signals coming from this same object. | ||
| Coming up in a moment, Whitley Streeber, author of Communion and his soon-to-be-released Secret School. | ||
| Under the circumstances, with the gravity of the information that you've heard this morning, I can think of nobody better qualified to answer some of the sociological questions that are bound to be coming in, and we're getting them by the ream right now, than Whitley Streeber, kind of the grandfather of information about people from elsewhere. | ||
| He's the author of Communion. | ||
| You should know that book. | ||
| It sold millions. | ||
| And other books, as well as Secret School, just about to come out. | ||
| Here from San Antonio, Texas is Whitley Streeber. | ||
| Hi, Whitley. | ||
| Hi, how are you, Art? | ||
| Well, a little overwhelmed. | ||
| Yeah, well, you're not alone in that. | ||
| Whitley, when did you get involved in this chain of information? | ||
| How did you get involved in this? | ||
| I saw Chuck Schramck's material online. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| And I looked at his photograph and emailed it to a friend of mine who is an astronomer. | ||
| And the astronomer phoned me up and said, it's totally legitimate. | ||
| And I said, well, hey, Bob, people are calling it a star and saying it's a big mistake. | ||
| And he said to me, I'd watch this one if I were you. | ||
| There's something funny going on here. | ||
| That's how I got started with this. | ||
| It's about a week and a half ago, I guess. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And soon enough, Courtney was involved. | ||
| And I have already, a couple of years ago, when Courtney Brown was first writing his book, Cosmic Voyage, the visitors were terribly involved in the whole business of bringing remote viewing out into the public in a lot of different and very surprising ways. | ||
| I watched that happen from the inside. | ||
| And then they indicated this book is important. | ||
| And I took the book and wrote a cover blurb for it and encouraged John Mack to do the same for that reason. | ||
| And now we have him out here with one of the first really verifiable communications tools that we've got coming along just at the time when it seems like we probably need it. | ||
| So it's exciting times. | ||
| Real exciting, extraordinary, and sobering. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, this astronomer that we've been discussing all morning, when did you learn about this astronomer? | ||
| Or is this the astronomer that you communicated with? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I've never communicated directly with him. | ||
| I thought about doing it, but then I decided I would wait. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, this is also worth saying, for the sake of the audience, Whitley, who's probably all sitting back saying, oh, come on. | ||
| Whitley, when you first heard about this astronomer, you began an immediate investigation on your own, separate from Before you would go public on something like this, obviously. | ||
| And you confirmed, you know who this astronomer is. | ||
| He exists all right. | ||
| And I think that his data is probably really pretty good. | ||
| I'd be surprised if this data was proved conclusively to be incorrect. | ||
| I think there's reason to expect that even if the community of astronomers or the space scientists at NASA or somebody like that who might have a vested interest throw up a lot of flack about this, the fact remains is it's real and the public, us, we can react to it in a sane manner, even if that unfortunately doesn't happen in the scientific culture. | ||
| Only I must tell you that the scientific culture has been changing a lot, just as in recent years. | ||
| People are not stupid. | ||
| They know something's going on out there, and even people within the sciences are well aware of that, and they see the sort of orchestrated denial that takes place. | ||
| And a lot of people who I would never have expected would be getting into contact with me have been calling me or writing me or coming up to me at conferences and things and saying they're interested, that they realize there's something going on here. | ||
| And I think now that this is probably going to cause the pendulum to really swing because a lot of scientists are going to just say to themselves, well, listen, we can't go on ignoring this data here. | ||
| This is a mistake, and we've got to change things. | ||
| And I think that probably there's going to be a groundswell of interest as soon as this data gets out as long as it's presented in a very coherent way. | ||
| So number one, you know who the astronomer is. | ||
| You know the university at which he teaches. | ||
| And he's among a group of people. | ||
| There's more than one person. | ||
| In fact, I think that a lot of people in this community of astronomers and astrophysicists are aware of this data. | ||
| And it's beginning to sort of filter through the community. | ||
| They're beginning to realize that this is data that ought to be looked at, that this is not data that I think the initial reaction was just to ignore it because it was too strange. | ||
| All right, you have a copy of the photographs, right? | ||
| I've looked at them. | ||
| As do I and everybody else involved tonight. | ||
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All right. | |
| Somebody just sent the following facts. | ||
| Would it be possible for you to digitally manipulate the photos in order to bring down the resolution? | ||
| In other words, blur them a bit so as not to give any indications of which telescope imaged this, thus providing these images to the public while protecting the identity of the astronomer? | ||
| We talked about this. | ||
| I asked Prudence about this one day ago prior to the show, and she said yes, that would be possible. | ||
| But really, in the end, I think we all concluded it would be worse to do that than to hold on to the high-resolution pictures and allow the astronomer in a press conference to release them fully. | ||
| Well, there has to be a press conference, I think. | ||
| I think he's morally obligated to do that at this point. | ||
| And I think he's made his commitment, really, by agreeing to let us go out on the air and to see this stuff and to confirm it privately, knowing that we would then go public with it. | ||
| Well, all right, that's the question. | ||
| Now, you and I had a conversation earlier in the day, Whitley. | ||
| We've all got our necks out a little on this one or a lot. | ||
| And if a week goes by, or a week and a half or two weeks or whatever, and there's no news conference, and for whatever his reasons, he's decided not to go public, will you? | ||
| Well, I think I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. | ||
| My inclination would be that it would be, in a larger moral sense, necessary to do that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I don't think that we have a right to hide this from the public. | ||
| And if he needs to get his ducks in a row, that's fine. | ||
| But at the same time, this is arguably the single most important piece of information event in human history. | ||
| And it's time to quit playing games with it. | ||
| And for the intelligence community to quit playing these silly, childish games of keeping it secret. | ||
| Any doubt in your mind but that the government is well aware of this object? | ||
| Well, I note that the Hubble Space Telescope hasn't released any pictures of the Halebop in a year, despite the fact that they had a number of photographic sessions scheduled in 1996. | ||
| I think they probably, my guess is they do know something. | ||
| However, my guess also is they actually don't know much more than the rest of us know, which is that this is an enormous object. | ||
| It is somewhat luminous. | ||
| It appears to be under intelligent control. | ||
| And we really don't know what it is. | ||
| All right. | ||
| In a warning that I read at the beginning of the program, at the end, I said, what follows is, to the best of our knowledge, real, not a drama. | ||
| I just got a fact from Jerry in Sparks, Nevada, and it says, Art, can you absolutely state that you're not kidding with this topic? | ||
| And this really will answer many people out there who are sitting there saying, well, come on. | ||
| Are these guys, is this another War of the Worlds kind of broadcast? | ||
| Are they kidding? | ||
| Is this a hoax? | ||
| To the best of your knowledge, Whitley? | ||
| No, it's not a hoax. | ||
| I spent some time today and yesterday talking to various astronomers and people in astrophysics whom I know, basically trying to figure out, because it's clear that the datum exists. | ||
| The photographs that we've been given are quite real. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What might it be in terms of a natural object? | ||
| In other words, what would there be that's emitting a radio signal that appears like this, other than something that's intelligently controlled? | ||
| And the only possibility would be if it if it was a type of star, a a very small, very low energy star. | ||
| But the problem with that is a star like that would have a very enormous gravity and the comet wouldn't be in front of it. | ||
| It'd be either orbiting it or wouldn't be there at all. | ||
| It'd been absorbed into it long ago. | ||
| Precisely. | ||
| So it's got to have a low mass. | ||
| One of the guys looked at this, said to me, you know, in the context of this, looking at these two objects, this is some kind of an assemblage here. | ||
| This is something that's structured. | ||
| The two things are together the spaceship. | ||
| It's not just the object isn't just following the comet. | ||
| The comet is part of the whole system. | ||
| And what the comet actually is and may be doing or what the whole thing may be doing, we don't know. | ||
| Like another man said to me, well, what if it's a creature? | ||
| I mean, we don't know what it may be. | ||
| It's a single creature. | ||
| Like one of the listeners early on suggested that possibility. | ||
| Another one said, well, Lucifer, the bringer of light. | ||
| And I think that people in the fundamentalist Christian community will have a lot of trouble with this object for that reason. | ||
| I know. | ||
| What is your take on it? | ||
| Now, Professor Brown and Prudence both seem to feel that it is entirely benign, beneficial to us, coming to help us. | ||
| You and I have had private conversations, but might as well air these. | ||
| I'm not altogether sure that is the case. | ||
| I'm not a remote viewer. | ||
| And even you have wondered, though you think it's benign, there's a little area of wonder, isn't there, about whether it may not be. | ||
| Well, benign or not, it's here. | ||
| And we're not doing anything about that. | ||
| I mean, you're not going to get this thing with an F4. | ||
| You might as well forget it. | ||
| You know, we've got it, and it's here in our laps. | ||
| What I really have, you know, 10 years ago, I realized it was about 10 years ago at this time, I was having my first sort of semi-conscious encounters. | ||
| I just had them, it was 11 years ago, in October of 85, and my marriage was breaking up, and I was going through an absolute living hell in November of that year because I was in denial about the encounters. | ||
| Then in December, they would become conscious, and things settled down. | ||
| Over that 10-year period, I have learned that the visitors are, it does not work if you live with them as if they were monsters or as if they were angels. | ||
| It just isn't enough. | ||
| You have to form your side of the relationship as a complete person. | ||
| And then the thing starts to come into focus. | ||
| They begin to recognize you and react to you as a complete human being, as a complete person. | ||
| And once I managed to do that, and it took years of effort, years of vacillating between loving them and hating them and going on and on and on, then it began to focus and became a real adventure. | ||
| To be honest, not all of your encounters were positive. | ||
| No, I've written about plenty of negative encounters, and I think one thing about my experiences is real clear. | ||
| My encounters are a mixed bag. | ||
| It's not all positive. | ||
| It's not all negative either. | ||
| But I think, therefore, that like the whole point of the secret school is that we go back to the innocence of childhood, but we take the wisdom of adulthood. | ||
| Approach this with open-minded caution. | ||
| Not running pell-mell toward it or running like the Dickens away from it, but just open-minded caution and hope for the best. | ||
| Because there's one thing is very clear. | ||
| We're here. | ||
| We're not going anywhere. | ||
| We can't. | ||
| It can. | ||
| They have all of the maneuverability and we have none. | ||
| So what we can do is try to present ourselves as reasonable, intelligent creatures who deserve a hearing and deserve a place in the universe. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, that's speaking to the great masses out there. | ||
| What do you think our government's position, and we have the most powerful government on the face of the earth with the most powerful weapons? | ||
| What do you think our government's reaction to this is or will be? | ||
| Well, it's very clear that there's been a lot of secrecy, that a whole system of secrecy has evolved around this, supported by a culture of denial that has been promoted from within by propaganda experts and so forth. | ||
| And it's been very, very unfortunate. | ||
| I think the best thing to do is just to try to forget that. | ||
| That mistake was made. | ||
| It's a fossil of the Cold War at this point. | ||
| It still goes on because people are afraid in the government of admitting how much money was spent and how little came out of that expenditure. | ||
| And the fact that they lied to the public for years and years, they're afraid to admit all of that thing, that kind of thing. | ||
| But at the same time, it looks like we've now got something four or five times the size of the Earth coming into our solar system. | ||
| I think they should just, we should go back to the policy drawing boards on this thing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On that note, hold up. | ||
| Relax for a minute, Whitley. | ||
| We're going to take a break. | ||
| It's the bottom of the hour. | ||
| My guest is Whitley Streeber. | ||
| And there will be more on this momentous evening. | ||
| I'm Mark Bell, and you're listening to the American CBC Radio Network. | ||
| Stay right where you are. | ||
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| About a week and a half ago, Whitley, I think it was about a week and a half ago, you sent me, well, you called me, and then you sent me a photograph that you declared to be the best you had ever seen of a gray. | ||
| Of an alien. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I just got this, Whitley, and I want you to listen to it, then we'll talk about the photograph. | ||
| It's on my webpage, by the way, if you want to see it. | ||
| As a graphics expert with five years' experience in high-end image manipulation software, I took the liberty of digitally enhancing Whitley's gray, in quotes, alien picture, in an attempt to glean more information about the image. | ||
| Because the photograph on your website was compressed for the web, either by GIF or JPEG, probably I was not able to absolutely ascertain the validity of the photo. | ||
| However, using enlargement and high contrast pass techniques, I am able to ascertain the following from the photograph. | ||
| 1. | ||
| The lighting gradients indicate that the light source is emanating from a single bright point, such as a flash, that it is roughly at the gray's eye level and roughly 3 to 4 feet away. | ||
| 2. | ||
| The reflection in the dark eyes appears to be the source of light spoken of above. | ||
| 3. | ||
| The pixel value intensity of the reflection in the dark eyes indicates the eyes have an unusually high reflectivity, well above 95%. | ||
| The shape of the reflection in the eyes suggests that the shape of the eyes are very evenly curved. | ||
| 4. | ||
| Although the picture has JPEG and GIF compression artifacts, the actual grain of the photograph appears to be random. | ||
| This does indicate that the source of the picture was most likely originally chemically developed. | ||
| In other words, not digitally created or manipulated. | ||
| So there you've got a professional rendering on that photograph. | ||
| What can you tell us about that photograph, Whitley? | ||
| Well, what I can tell you about the photograph is that the gentleman who found it found it on various news servers in pieces, each one compressed in a different format, and pieced it together and sent it to me. | ||
| As soon as I looked at it, I knew immediately it was a very familiar face. | ||
| And I was struck by, as I comment on my website in the little sort of news item I have with the photograph, that the reflectivity of the eyes appeared to be unusual. | ||
| And when you're face to face with these people, this is a striking effect. | ||
| There's something extraordinary about these eyes. | ||
| In fact, I think, and this is just my theory, that these are actually eye covers of some kind, and that they reflect much more than light. | ||
| They reflect back your emotions. | ||
| So if you feel aggressive or fearful, it kind of turns it back on you. | ||
| And instead of jumping at the gray or whatever you might want to do, you're just incapacitated with your own fear. | ||
| I learned over the years to accept that, the fact that these eyes would do this to me, and they don't do it to me anymore, which is why I've been able in the occasions I've had in the past couple of years to observe them, to see very carefully how that reflectivity works. | ||
| And it's extraordinary. | ||
| There's nothing like it in our world. | ||
| Nothing reflects like that. | ||
| You don't ever see it. | ||
| And that was why I was so taken by the picture, because I didn't think that anyone would really have known that who was making a fake. | ||
| I noticed that some of the more casual debunkers on the internet have seized on that as being the reason why it's all nonsense. | ||
| But I don't think the picture is nonsense. | ||
| I think it's authentic. | ||
| And I think it's here for a reason. | ||
| I think it's here because they're here. | ||
| And we better get used to them. | ||
| And one of the best ways to do that is to look at a picture like that. | ||
| The word you used was to get acclimatized. | ||
| Yeah, even if the picture has been made by somebody, it's still a wonderful acclimatization tool. | ||
| I recommend spending some time with it. | ||
| It's a very interesting thing to do. | ||
| All right. | ||
| One of the things that you said in the email that you sent me about this photograph was that there were certain things about the grays, and we all know if you've read Communion, you've had experience with these creatures, that you have never, intentionally, never told anybody that that's apparent in this photograph. | ||
| Well, that was one of them. | ||
| We just got one of them out. | ||
| That was the main one, actually, was about this strange thing. | ||
| And this gentleman, I can see, has noticed this and has seen that the photograph bears a record of this strange reflectivity. | ||
| Exactly as I thought it did. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's a question for you. | ||
| If the Hailbop companion object is associated with the Greys and other aliens that are reported to have been hanging around the Earth for centuries now and should by now know our languages, and if their intent is actually to communicate with us, then why are they broadcasting to us in code? | ||
| Well, I've been thinking about that too, and there are two possible answers. | ||
| The first one is that if they have mastered time travel, and I've been saying this is the possibility for years, then at our first contact with them, we would know more about them than they did about us. | ||
| Because if this is the moment when they first actually arrive here, then starting whenever they can conveniently reach the area of the planet, then they loop back across our entire history, penetrate our history at various points in time, | ||
| and in a matter of however hours or minutes in objective time it takes them to complete this process, they learn an enormous amount about us. | ||
| But from our perspective, they've always been here. | ||
| We could be looking at their arrival right now. | ||
| That's one possibility. | ||
| Here's another. | ||
| This signal may not be intended for us because, believe me, there are greys on this earth, a plenty, as well as I think people from other worlds too. | ||
| If this is what it seems, if this is extraterrestrial contact, which is certainly what it seems, maybe the signal is not intended for us. | ||
| I hadn't thought of that. | ||
| In fact, that's exactly what code may suggest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't think that, you know, the fact that it's in code means that it's obviously not intended for us in the normal way. | ||
| Well, I don't know if I find that benign. | ||
| Well, I don't either. | ||
| I wouldn't say that. | ||
| I wouldn't say that. | ||
| Let me put it this way. | ||
| I've never suggested, I've never tried to suggest that I think that the grays are, or that this whole experience is a benign experience. | ||
| I don't even know for certain if it's an extraterrestrial experience in the sense that we all assume. | ||
| There could be still many surprises connected with this. | ||
| Like the caller earlier who said that she felt that in some way they were us. | ||
| I have had that feeling too. | ||
| I don't even know what that quite means. | ||
| But what I do know is this. | ||
| We can have, if my life is any example, in my family's life are any example, in the lives of hundreds of thousands of other people I've come into contact with, we can have a relationship with them that actually does work. | ||
| Whether they're pleasant or not is another question. | ||
| But in the 10 years that I have had conscious relationship with them, in all of that time, they have never hurt me or my family, and they have had plenty of opportunity. | ||
| I have spent many, many a dark night out in the cabin and out in the woods alone, exposed to them in every conceivable way, without a weapon or a lock on the door or anything. | ||
| And I'm here. | ||
| I'm presenting. | ||
| You're still here. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So a lot of the fear that you experienced may have been generated from within. | ||
| Well, I think not. | ||
| I think it was all very healthy. | ||
| I mean, if you see something like that coming at you out of the middle of the night and you're not scared, you'd have to be a nut. | ||
| I was really scared, of course. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| Yeah, but I think they can be lived with. | ||
| On bottom line, whether or not they will do things or are doing things that are exploitive of us that we don't like is another question. | ||
| I mean, there's plenty of people, like in our implant project we're working on down here in Texas, the two people who have so far contributed material have both been people who had breeder experiences where they were being compelled to be breeders, a man and a woman in this kind of a situation. | ||
| It's not something we would do to another person without their consent. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| With all your experience, Whitley, what do you think they want with us? | ||
| Or what do they want to do for us? | ||
| Or what is their motivation for contact, I guess is the best question. | ||
| Well, let me tell you that this is going to surprise you. | ||
| For all of the bravado that I have seen from them and the posturing, and there's been a lot of that. | ||
| Bottom line, they find us extremely appealing. | ||
| They are, I think they're fascinated by our minds. | ||
| We have, actually, in my years of relationship with them, my opinion of human beings has begun to be more and more a reflection of theirs. | ||
| My estimation of mankind has risen dramatically. | ||
| I think that we are literally a sleeping giant, and they know it, and I think they're very excited by that. | ||
| I think they find us extremely exciting and fascinating, and I think that they've at times been tempted to try to take genetic material and stuff from us that they should have asked for, probably would have been given if they had been asked for it, if we had been asked for it, because we're also very generous creatures. | ||
| On a scale of 10, all the information presented tonight, how high a probability do you give it that what we are experiencing right now is indeed first contact? | ||
| An 8. | ||
| An eight out of 10. | ||
| Yeah, and I'll tell you why. | ||
| We don't know, first of all, we don't know what the object is. | ||
| It could be a starship filled with creatures, and they could be coming in great droves. | ||
| I know that Peter Davenport of the UFO hotline, the UFO Sighting Center, told me just yesterday that he's having absolutely a wave of sightings being reported worldwide since November the 15th. | ||
| And I noticed that from southern Florida up into the Atlantic to Europe and the Pyrenees, there have been all kinds of aerial explosions heard. | ||
| There are meteoric events taking place. | ||
| There's activity, UFO activity building up again in Mexico. | ||
| There's been a huge wave of UFO sightings in Australia. | ||
| There has been now a big UFO seen and videoed in Korea. | ||
| This is probably the most extensive period of UFO sightings in history taking place right now since November the 15th. | ||
| How about your sense, Whitley, your personal sense? | ||
| We talked on the phone privately before the program. | ||
| We both expressed the same sense, strong sense, that something big is about to happen. | ||
| Yeah, I have, In all of my experience, from the very first, there's been this what I call the sense of incipience. | ||
| The feeling that something's about to break. | ||
| And I learned to just live with it because it didn't ever, nothing ever broke. | ||
| You know, I'd wait, and it didn't break, and so I'd keep waiting. | ||
| But this time is different. | ||
| There are things building in too many different areas. | ||
| For example, before this all started, I received a clear communication from the visitors through Raven Dana, a friend in Cleveland who's been mentioned in my books and has had a lot of close encounters. | ||
| She's a real adept at close encounters. | ||
| She's quite good at it. | ||
| And she said this message was, and I won't go into the details because it's not necessary, but there were reasons why I believed, for example, I was at Mass, and I will tell a little bit of this. | ||
| I think the listeners are owed that. | ||
| I was at Mass, and I had a very powerful feeling of the presence of the grace. | ||
| I often pray for them. | ||
| I mean, because if they're bad, they need it, and if they're good, they'll like it. | ||
| If they're bad, we need it. | ||
| Well, we do too. | ||
| But, you know, I feel very much protected by God, and I don't feel like I think there are probably limits to what anything really evil in the universe can do to us. | ||
| Could be wrong about that, but I don't believe so. | ||
| I'm not going to lose any sleep over the idea of being invaded, because it seems to me that if that was going to happen, it would have happened a long time ago. | ||
| Also, why bother? | ||
| I mean, we're much more fun this way than we would be if we were just a bunch of slaves. | ||
| I mean, what are they going to use slaves for? | ||
| They've already got so much technology. | ||
| How could they possibly need them? | ||
| So you would generally counsel people that though you don't exactly know what they are and what their motivations are, it doesn't much matter because there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it anyway. | ||
| There isn't anything we can do about it. | ||
| But there is actually we can, what I'm getting at right here is we can present ourselves to them. | ||
| And a little while later in the show, I'm going to give everybody a totally new idea about how to do that, something we can start doing for the first time in history. | ||
| And I think we should start it like right now. | ||
| All right, Whitley, hold on. | ||
| We'll get back to you shortly. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| You've got several minutes. | ||
| I want to remind my audience that if you would like a copy of this program, you may get it beginning now. | ||
| It is a five-hour program by calling 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| Please take the number down, 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| if you run and get a pencil on a paper all repeated in a moment Amen. | ||
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| Amen. | ||
| And though I've not been able to squeeze it in tonight, I do want to do this. | ||
| I wrote a book called The Art of Talk. | ||
| For one week, and we are now in that week, and for the next, I think, five days, if you buy a copy of my book, hardcover, they will include a photograph of me taken by the L.A. Times, color photograph, and personally autographed. | ||
| This is a one-week-only deal, and we do it every year at just about Christmas. | ||
| You can order the Art of Talk 24 hours a day by calling 1-800-864-7991. | ||
| It only goes on for about, what is it, five more days. | ||
| That's 1-800-864-7991. | ||
| And again, to order a copy of this program, the one you have heard aired tonight, please call, beginning now, 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| Let me repeat that number. | ||
| 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| To quickly summarize, we have, though we have not released them, photographs from a top 10 university astronomy professor, and he's going to hold a news conference, we believe next week. | ||
| Photographic evidence of Halebop's companion, an object larger than our Earth. | ||
| We also have information that radio telescopes have been receiving a signal indicating intelligent control of this whatever it is. | ||
| They have this, and they're trying to decode it now. | ||
| I'm Art Bell, and you're listening to the CBC Radio Network. | ||
| Stay right there. | ||
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| This program was recorded at an earlier date, and the calling lines to the show are not in effect at this time. | ||
| However, the numbers you hear for Coast to Coast sponsors are open, and we invite you to apply. | ||
| Now, back to the best of Art Bell. | ||
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| Once again, here I am, and again, I'm going to ask my audience to please try and understand, or at least put yourself in my position. | ||
| I cannot speak for Professor Brown at Emory. | ||
| I can't speak for Prudence Calabrezi or even Whitley Streeber. | ||
| I can only speak for myself. | ||
| Many will be very critical for releasing this kind of information, but if you were me and you had this kind of information, what would you do? | ||
| What would be the better course? | ||
| To be afraid of it and not release it, or to stick your neck out, though it might get cut off, and release it? | ||
| You can hear what I'm doing. | ||
| And then this art, I love the show. | ||
| This is Trent in Edmonton, Alberta. | ||
| And I listen all the time, but this one has me wondering. | ||
| Although I believe you would not knowingly mislead your audience, I'm forced to wonder why no other media has chosen to pursue what appears to be the single most stupendous event in human history. | ||
| You yourself Detract from the significance of this development by continuing to do your commercials for your various fine products. | ||
| Well, look, folks, no matter this information, life goes on. | ||
| What enables me to bring it to you is this program, which is sponsored by people for whom I do these commercials, for these fine products. | ||
| you The program tonight contains news, which many are going to find very disturbing. | ||
| The content clearly concerns news of first contact with people from elsewhere, entities, whatever. | ||
| If you are disturbed by this sort of material, please turn your radio off now, tune to a different station, whatever. | ||
| If you are a parent, please exercise your parental responsibility. | ||
| If children are up, it's up to you. | ||
| What follows is, to the best of our knowledge, real and not a drama. | ||
| And I imagine, Whitley, you went through several throws yourself of trying to decide what to do with this, didn't you? | ||
| Well, I think it's very clear that we're doing the right thing. | ||
| And the reason is this. | ||
| If for whatever reason, whether he's put under pressure from the government or from his colleagues or internal pressure of some kind, and he decides not to come forth, then this could be virtually the only time this is going to be aired publicly in any sane and meaningful way. | ||
| This might be our one chance. | ||
| And that absolutely cannot be missed. | ||
| And what I want to get into now is I'll just very briefly finish what I was talking about before. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Raven Dana called me. | ||
| I came home from church literally expecting to hear from her because of things that they had said to me inside the church. | ||
| She called me, and for whatever reason, she had gone to Mass that morning herself. | ||
| She's not even a Catholic. | ||
| And had received a message at that Mass. | ||
| And the Mass was, tell Whitley to be prepared. | ||
| We're going to come into more consciousness soon. | ||
| A week later, I had a rare, face-to-face, totally conscious encounter where I learned a lot of things about why there's this static when we try to come into conscious with one another and what to do to change that. | ||
| And subsequently, there's been this explosion of UFO sightings, the booms I was talking about, so for. | ||
| And now this thing is coming in. | ||
| And I do think that this might be the time. | ||
| I think that's a real possibility, and we need to be prepared. | ||
| And we can be prepared. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We can be. | ||
| What do you recommend to the average person out there who's sitting there probably with their mouth bout down on their chest right now? | ||
| First thing is go and call your friends and get them to listen to this or tell them about it afterwards. | ||
| Or get a copy, send it to them somewhere. | ||
| Get a copy, anything, but spread this. | ||
| This is important. | ||
| This is the first time in human history that anything like this has been done. | ||
| And here's what it is. | ||
| It's extremely simple, but really powerful. | ||
| I learned this from 10 years of communicating with them, and this works. | ||
| It's effective. | ||
| At the stroke of midnight, wherever you are, in whatever time zone you are in, sit down, carve out 15 minutes of time. | ||
| It's not hard to do it that hour. | ||
| Except for me, maybe. | ||
| What? | ||
| Except for me, maybe. | ||
| I'm on the air. | ||
| Yeah, but that's right. | ||
| Well, so then do it half an hour before. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But do it at some time in that immediate time period. | ||
| And do this meditation. | ||
| It's a very simple meditation. | ||
| Sense your body. | ||
| Take your attention and place it on your body so it goes out of your thoughts into your body. | ||
| Once you've done that, you've got your attention centered down in your solar plexus, down below your belly button, then take what you imagine of yourself, an image of yourself, whatever it may be, and project it out, imagining you're projecting it into the southwestern sky toward this object, which is where it is. | ||
| And simply present yourself. | ||
| Don't ask for anything. | ||
| Don't say anything. | ||
| Just present yourself. | ||
| You're there. | ||
| You're watching. | ||
| You're imagining that you are there and you are watching. | ||
| Present yourself in this way for a few minutes. | ||
| Your mind will keep going into your head. | ||
| Take it back to your body. | ||
| Go back out again. | ||
| Leave it after 15 minutes. | ||
| Do that every night. | ||
| Let's all do it together every night. | ||
| I have had it work. | ||
| What it did was it made the visitors begin to recognize me as a person. | ||
| And the whole relationship began to refocus because I had control of my side of the relationship. | ||
| And therefore, it wasn't dysfunctional anymore. | ||
| And it changed everything. | ||
| I think that we can do this on a mass basis. | ||
| And if they are out there, and if this object has anything to do with us, and we don't even know if it does or not yet, there will be a response. | ||
| And whether it's a positive response, a negative response, a neutral response, at least it will be a response that recognizes us as creatures and recognizes our side of this relationship. | ||
| So that no matter what you believe, kind of like prayer, whatever happens, it sure won't hurt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I would always, as I do in my meditations, always begin and end with a prayer to declare yourself to God as to what side you're on. | ||
| But this is a powerful tool. | ||
| It's effective. | ||
| And don't forget, every night at that hour, do it. | ||
| Incidentally, if people want to ask me further questions about any of this stuff, I'm available on my website. | ||
| It's www.streeverwithanie.com. | ||
| And there's a bulletin board in there where they can leave questions for me. | ||
| And this week at 11 o'clock every night, I will be in open chat for one hour from 11 until 12 every night. | ||
| There are going to be people, Whitley, who are going to literally need counseling. | ||
| Well, I'll be there 11 to 12 Central Time every night this week in the open chat room and available. | ||
| And they can always leave questions for me in the bulletin board section called Questions for Whitley. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, and that email address again? | ||
| The website is www.streeber.com. | ||
| Okay, and you also have an email address? | ||
| Yeah, Whitley at StreeberCom. | ||
| Whitley at Streeber.com. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| I would, here shortly, I would like to take some questions from the audience for you. | ||
| Great. | ||
| As a matter of fact, why don't we just do that? | ||
| Yeah, let's go right to it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber and Art Bell Hein. | ||
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Oh, hi. | |
| Hey, my name is Felix. | ||
| I'm calling from Milwaukee. | ||
| Hello, Felix. | ||
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Yeah, I really hate it that I can't hit the responses that, you know, hey, they cut the show off. | |
| Well, they went to their morning show, I suppose, there. | ||
| Do you have a question for Whitley? | ||
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Yes, I have a question and a comment. | |
| All right, go ahead. | ||
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I, too, have had an experience. | |
| It happened to me back in March of 1987. | ||
| You know, I was in bed. | ||
| A beam of light came through the roof of my house. | ||
| It's unexplainable, but it took me, whatever it was. | ||
| When I came to, I was laying on the table. | ||
| I couldn't move, but I could look around, and I saw flashing lights. | ||
| It was a gray type of dingy room, circular. | ||
| I didn't see any things of any sort, but I could feel as if I was being watched. | ||
| And, I mean, that experience changed my life. | ||
| And, you know, as far as what Mr. Streeper has went through, it's a tree shaker, no question. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Whitley, does that sound reasonable, what he just described in terms of an encounter? | ||
| Well, it's unusual in that it's only one. | ||
| Most people have a whole lifetime of encounters. | ||
| If you have this in your life, it's in your life from the beginning. | ||
| But not totally. | ||
| He's not the only one. | ||
| There are plenty of people out there also who have just single encounters. | ||
| That's also common, but not nearly as common as lifetime. | ||
| Well, since you've had encounters with these beings, more than the average, if you had to guess regarding their motivations for contacting us, for doing abductions, for the whole interaction business, maybe for this ship or whatever it is coming toward us, what do they want? | ||
| A whole lot of motivations. | ||
| A whole lot. | ||
| It's really complicated. | ||
| They want more out of us. | ||
| They want us to become more able to communicate with them. | ||
| And that's one thing. | ||
| They want something from us physically. | ||
| I think that the abductions show that very clearly. | ||
| What that may be is another question. | ||
| I don't think we're at all clear on whether or not the breeder thing is a true reflection of what's actually going on or not. | ||
| But something they want from us physically, that's quite clear. | ||
| I don't think they want our territory, and I don't think they want our natural resources, because they would have already gotten those. | ||
| But the main thing that they have wanted from me, the physical part's been very secondary, although there's been some of that. | ||
| The main thing is it looks to me like what they're looking for from us is companionship, to be very honest with you. | ||
| That's what it seems like. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Whitley, Streeber, and Art Bell. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hi, Art. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| I'm okay. | ||
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Hi, Whitney. | |
| Hi. | ||
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It's a pleasure. | |
| I've read about five of your books. | ||
| Oh, well, good. | ||
| I had an experience that lured me towards your books. | ||
| I had a light, a strobe light, that took control of me and gave me paralysis. | ||
| Can you give me some insight on that? | ||
| And why aren't you talking about the benevolent side of the aliens? | ||
| Well, I think I am talking about their benevolent side, really. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to ignore the other side of it, but at the same time, like my new book, The Secret School, it's called The Secret School, Preparation for Contact. | ||
| Why it happens to be coming out at the same time this object is coming in, I don't know. | ||
| But I mean, sometimes you think that this whole thing is kind of already woven together by somebody. | ||
| But what it's about is about the positive side of the experience, which is the part of becoming a companion to them and also, therefore, for mankind to become a cosmic being, to begin to learn to use the part of our mind that lives outside of time and to really wake up into a new, | ||
| much more potent and much more alive level of humanity. | ||
| It's ironic in a way that the book is about returning to the innocence of childhood and taking the wisdom of the adult with you so that you can see with an adult's wisdom but the open eyes of a child. | ||
| That apparently is the stance that they're looking for as we come into closer contact with them. | ||
| And there's nothing negative about that. | ||
| It's a terribly positive thing, I think. | ||
| Whitley, you know who this astronomer is. | ||
| If you were able to talk to him, and at some point no doubt you're going to be able to, and I'm sure you've been tempted to try, and were to give him advice at this point with what we've already done, how would you advise him? | ||
| I would advise him to shoot his guns, just as make as much noise as he feels like he needs to make, and go ahead and duck and try to miss the incoming fire as much as he can. | ||
| I mean, I did that. | ||
| When I came out with this, I was, after all, sort of a skeptical, kind of average intellectual person. | ||
| You know, I was very much a member of the New York literary community, and I knew that I would really, really never see, my life would change forever, and it did. | ||
| Well, there is, though, as much as you were out on a limb, something of a difference here. | ||
| You wrote of personal experiences, and sure you took flag for that. | ||
| But here, we've got a mainstream top-ten university astronomer virtually saying, this is it, folks. | ||
| First contact, here they come. | ||
| He has an overwhelming moral obligation to present his data to the public. | ||
| I think that it's an obligation that I know that there are people within the U.S. government who wish dearly that they had met years ago and have not met to their own great, great distress. | ||
| And he must meet it. | ||
| And this is not only a message to him, but it's a message to the whole scientific community. | ||
| All of us out here are counting on you to drop the petty squabbles and the fears of being wrong and the belief that this is unlikely and etc. | ||
| and so forth and accept the data. | ||
| Just accept the data for what it is. | ||
| And frankly, let the chips fall where they may. | ||
| We, the people, can handle this probably better than you guys, to tell you the honest truth, because the visitors have not in general come to the elites in human culture. | ||
| They've come into the middle world, into middle America, into the middle class and all over the world. | ||
| And so we're the ones who are going to be on the front line in terms of communicating with them. | ||
| But we need our scientists to give us clear data. | ||
| Please, guys, please do it. | ||
| If he doesn't, Whitley, then the moral obligation is going to shift to yourself, myself, Courtney and Prudence. | ||
| I think at that point we have to present the data as best we can and hope that the scientific community wakes up to its obligation before God and man, which is quite clear and quite overwhelming. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Streeber. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Yes, Art? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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My name is Sid. | |
| I live in Oklahoma City. | ||
| All right. | ||
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And Whitley, I just wanted to relate a story that I called the other night and told Art a little bit about this. | |
| When I was a kid, I was 11 years old, and I had a very vivid experience where I was taken and shown all kinds of things about what's happening with the UFOs. | ||
| And they said that aliens brought us here in a big ship like this, and that there may be a time in the future that they'd be coming to pick us back up and the abduction to end all abductions. | ||
| Let me tell you this. | ||
| I was talking with one of the, actually it was a physicist about this this afternoon, and we were speculating about if it's four times the size of the Earth and it's a Dyson sphere, which means a gigantic sphere with all of the planetary surfaces on the inside, something that's been created, built. | ||
| All right, we've got a breakpoint here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But broken down, they may be coming to take us home, haha. | ||
| Our whole species would fit in 164th of the space that's in there. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Saying that, we'll hold it right there. | ||
| Whitley, thank you. | ||
| Stand by, everybody. | ||
| I will say this one more time. | ||
| To get a copy of this program, call 1-800-917-4278. | ||
| If you want to spread it around and you ought to do that, as Whitley suggested, that's one way to do it if you haven't taped it. | ||
| It's 1-800-917-4278. | ||
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What a wonderful world I I see skies of blue. | |
| I'll see you next time. | ||
| This is CBC. | ||
| Whitley Streeper is my guest right now. | ||
| And I think this will frame it well. | ||
| Ken from Colorado sends the following. | ||
| Regarding your question as to what you should have done about presenting the information on Hailbot, I think you should always ask yourself, one, is what you have done something that you could stand before your God with a clear conscience about? | ||
| My answer is yes. | ||
| I may get my radio neck locked off for it, but my answer is an honest yes. | ||
| Two, are your motives truly being presented? | ||
| In other words, are you doing it for the sake of truth, or are you doing it for other reasons? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There may be a mixture of reasons, but with respect to the first question, it's a resounding yes. | ||
| With respect to the second, sure, it's good radio. | ||
| I wouldn't deny that for a second. | ||
| But would I do it just to have good radio? | ||
| And the answer is absolutely not. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| To do that would be utterly irresponsible. | ||
| So There you have it. | ||
| That's what I would say. | ||
| How would you answer that, Whitley? | ||
| I feel exactly the same way. | ||
| I think that the moral imperative is overwhelming. | ||
| You, people like you, like me, like Courtney, like Prudence, who has recently come into this, all the other people in these many, many different edge communities that have grown up along the frontier of human consciousness are here to get kicked. | ||
| We're here to put our necks in the noose and feel it tight. | ||
| That's what we're supposed to do. | ||
| That's our profession. | ||
| So, yeah, I think that's what we're doing tonight. | ||
| And I think it's, because I'll tell you right now, knowing what I know about the data, this is real. | ||
| This thing is out there. | ||
| The likelihood is almost overwhelming that it's intelligently controlled from what we're being told. | ||
| And we have an absolute and immediate obligation to respond to that in every way we can. | ||
| And the risk that this might somehow become part of the cover-up is too great. | ||
| This is too important. | ||
| We can't let that happen. | ||
| It can't slip through the cracks. | ||
| It can't. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It can't slip through the cracks. | ||
| Because even if it amounts to no more than this thing making an extraordinary display across space as it moves behind the Hail Bob Comet on some unimaginable errand that it's engaged in that has nothing to do with us. | ||
| Nevertheless, mankind can grow tremendously by acknowledging that it's there. | ||
| I'm hoping that our meditation will enable us to get as much out of this experience as possible. | ||
| And that even then, if it was on some errand that had nothing to do with us, it might at least leave us a few glimmers to add to our own store of consciousness. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley's Stream Bear and Art Bell. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
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Hello, Art. | |
| Hi. | ||
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This is David from Franklin, Tennessee. | |
| Hi, David. | ||
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And Whitley, it's good talking to you. | |
| Great. | ||
| I have something I'd say. | ||
| Well, first of all, I completely understand what Whitley just said because, I mean, even on my level at where I work, people think I'm a nut. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm used to that. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I mean, you know, and I'll come in and say, oh, you never believe what I heard on Art Bell. | ||
| And it's like, oh, brother, here we go again. | ||
| But if I were in your position, and I, you know, I would definitely go public. | ||
| And if I were a head of a nation, if I were President of the United States, I would certainly go to the people and say, this is the time, you know, get ready, folks. | ||
| Know yourself. | ||
| But I have a question for Art and Whitley. | ||
| Art, I want to know if out of all this, has Ed Daines said anything or has he been contacted about it? | ||
| All right, narrow a word from Ed yet, but I rather suspect we will hear from him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, wait. | ||
| Let me correct that. | ||
| Ed Dames has said that with what he has learned about Hailbuff, for what it's worth, or the object near it, that he too feels it's under intelligent control. | ||
| He did say that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Okay, and then to Courtney Brown and Ed, I sense there's some friction between the two of them. | |
| I think not on this subject. | ||
| I don't know that Ed has released the kind of details that Courtney has, but intelligent control, I would say, is pretty far out on a limb, and they both seem to agree on at least that much. | ||
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Whitley. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I was wondering, just on a sort of a human level about all this, you know, on maybe even a small level, for those of us, if this happens, you know, which it seems like it will, you know, I'm a musician, and for people who are musicians and artists and all this, once this change or whatever takes place or whatever happens, if we come into contact, afterwards, you know, will music and poetry and art and things like this be of the same importance that they are? | ||
| Oh, what a very good question. | ||
| It's a wonderful question. | ||
| In all honesty, I don't think that anybody knows. | ||
| We have some bare ideas, some outlines of what it's like after. | ||
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Let me tell you where before and after are, though. | |
| And maybe this will help. | ||
| Where we are right now is we're flowing inside the stream of time. | ||
| We are never outside of time. | ||
| Where they are is their consciousness is outside of time looking in. | ||
| And they are trying to draw us out. | ||
| And it's like pulling a little fish out of the water into the air. | ||
| It's hard, but it's not impossible. | ||
| It's not impossible. | ||
| Miracles can occur. | ||
| We're all looking for a miracle here. | ||
| And I suspect that in that context, when you're looking for miracles, inevitably, if you're human, the arts have to play a role in it. | ||
| So, yeah, I think they're going to be real important. | ||
| They're part of our soul. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Part of what we are. | ||
| And if this change comes about, then of course there will be a change in the arts, in what is reflected from us, sure. | ||
| All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley, Streeber, and Art Bell. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hello, Art. | |
| Hi. | ||
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My name's Andy. | |
| I'm from Pasco. | ||
| I called a while ago, and I got cut off on the radio because my idiot buddies wouldn't turn it off. | ||
| I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
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I got about 10,000 things running through my head right now. | |
| Well, we've only got time for a couple, so pick out the important ones. | ||
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I'll do my best. | |
| Starting first, there's a whole bunch of stuff preparing to happen. | ||
| I think you know it just as well as everybody else listening here does. | ||
| And I, myself, I'm kind of fearful about what modern society is going to do when they get a hold of all this information and it starts being known and broadcast around most of the major forms of media. | ||
| I was hoping that maybe somehow through you and your ability to transmit over the airways could come up with a, I don't know, maybe a guiding force, you know, someplace where people could contact each other and come up with a plan on what to do when this all hits the fan. | ||
| Well, you know, I don't know what's going to happen now. | ||
| It may well be that Whitley, myself, Professor Brown, Prudence may all be strung up publicly. | ||
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I'm sure that you will. | |
| Yeah, I'm sure we will too. | ||
| I haven't been down yet since I started this ten years ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if I just went a little higher. | ||
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There's just a lot of, I'm coming to realize, like-minded, decent, loving individuals scattered about this planet Earth. | |
| Listen, if you read the letters we've gotten, hundreds of thousands, now over 200,000 letters from around this planet from people who have had close encounter experiences. | ||
| I will tell you, and I am this, of this I'm certain, mankind is handling and will handle close encounters. | ||
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I either just beautifully. | |
| I know of letter after letter, people where their children are involved, whole families are involved, and they're thriving. | ||
| They're doing fine. | ||
| You'd be amazed at how well the people at the Time magazine writers and the fancy elite people at the top think would just be panicking. | ||
| How well we're doing. | ||
| The actual truth is, and I've said it often, the people who are going to panic are not the people down in the trenches, but the people at the top. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| They're the ones who don't know what to do. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It's like the people with all the power. | ||
| I hate to use the word government because it's such a cliche. | ||
| But all the people that have the power are the ones that are scared and are going to be running around in the rat race trying to grab everything they can before they get to the point. | ||
| They're going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off. | ||
| But in the end, this is not about Mr. President. | ||
| It's about Bill. | ||
| It isn't. | ||
| It's about Bill. | ||
| And fortunately, when you look at the big picture, the great majority of people are going to be handling this, and a very small minority in very good suits are going to be terrified. | ||
| All right, well, it's not just a metaphor. | ||
| The government is real, and they do have real powers. | ||
| Real powers and real problems. | ||
| And how do you suspect they will react? | ||
| Not well, obviously. | ||
| Well, I think it was two summers ago, Lawrence Rockefeller took Clinton and Hillary out to his ranch and sat them down and said, what is going on here? | ||
| And they replied to him, we don't want to talk about it again. | ||
| Don't bring it up anymore. | ||
| And that was that. | ||
| And that is not that. | ||
| They have to do something. | ||
| Let me be clear. | ||
| Lawrence Rockefeller, you say? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sat them down and asked them. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Asked them directly, both of them. | ||
| With respect to what? | ||
| The whole UFO phenomenon. | ||
| And they said? | ||
| We don't want to talk about it. | ||
| Please don't bring it up again. | ||
| I wonder if they'll talk about it now. | ||
| Well, you think, you know, I don't, I have to be honest with you. | ||
| I think that government failed a long time ago to deal with this because of the fact that it's, for example, the Air Force is the most schizophrenic of all about this thing. | ||
| And the reason is simply that the Air Force's job is to protect and control our airspace, and they can't do it. | ||
| Let me tell you something, Whitley. | ||
| Monday, I spent two hours. | ||
| I don't know if you heard of it or about it. | ||
| For two hours, I interviewed a man who worked near Maelstrom Air Force Base. | ||
| He was an officer, you know, one of the guys with his hand on the button for years in a silo, a missile silo, down below ground. | ||
| Two objects, and he chronicled this very carefully, hovered above his site. | ||
| A total of 15 ICBMs shut down. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I've heard that story. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's a real story. | ||
| And our government has clearly said at the end of Blue Book, you'll recall, whatever these are, they are not a threat to national security. | ||
| Well, this incident occurred prior to that statement. | ||
| Clearly, that's a non-operative statement. | ||
| If there is a threat to national security, then it is defined by shutting down ICBMs. | ||
| Well, they have an enormous policy problem. | ||
| I think that they're not going to solve it, that probably we won't hear from government much about this. | ||
| One possibility is that the scientific community will say this is first contact, that this is an intelligently guided object from another world, and all of the UFO stuff and the grays and whatnot and so forth, it's just people's imagination, and this is new, and this is fresh, and this is first contact. | ||
| And I can see the media that follows the government line and the government really sticking to that because it gets them out of so much trouble. | ||
| It enables them to make policy in reference to this object and not have to deal with the mess they made in the past. | ||
| Well, think of it this way, Whitley. | ||
| To you, perhaps to me and others, these whatever these are, whatever this craft is, does not represent an immediate threat to our power because we don't have power. | ||
| It is the government that has power, and they will panic and imagine that their power will be lessened or controlled by whatever this is. | ||
| Well, they've got to forget that because, I mean, you know, you're power. | ||
| We don't have any of us any power in comparison to this thing. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We have no power. | ||
| And I would hate to see a situation where the government, if they start to come in droves, which I wouldn't be at all surprised is what's happening. | ||
| It seems to me like that is what's happening. | ||
| The government starts to shoot at them. | ||
| Frankly, what it'll be is an embarrassment for the rest of us, and maybe some fine young men will be needlessly slaughtered. | ||
| It will not make one whit of difference to whoever's here. | ||
| Not a bit. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of The Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bow and Whitley's. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bow and Whitley's Streeber. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, Art. | ||
| This is John from San Diego. | ||
| Hello, John. | ||
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How are you doing tonight? | |
| You are at least in the morning here. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| First thing is, I like to say, after three years listening to your show, it's very informative, outstanding, and very intriguing. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| As for Whitley, how you doing, Whitley? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I hope to send you the rest of those documents I received from Fort Mead, Maryland. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I still have about 158 pages I need to send you. | ||
| I hope you understand what kind of documents I'm talking about. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
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Yeah, I still got them here, and I'll definitely send them to you. | |
| Well, don't send me anything that's classified. | ||
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All right, I got you. | |
| As for the show tonight, really, really interesting about this object. | ||
| I'm not quite sure what it is. | ||
| And as for the people who are involved in this case, I mean, we're talking about something that is unknown and has some intelligence. | ||
| I'm a little bit lost right now with this because I haven't looked into this or heard any of this. | ||
| You probably have about as much information as everybody else does. | ||
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But I'm trying to understand exactly. | |
| I mean, is this has to do with also the possibility of people involved with abduction cases? | ||
| We have no idea if it's connected. | ||
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Oh, I see. | |
| Okay. | ||
| The object is coming in from deep space behind the Hale-Bob Comet. | ||
| It's substantially larger than the Earth, perhaps as much as four times larger. | ||
| It is luminescent in the sense that it's shining from within, from energy within it. | ||
| We don't think it has a very high mass content because the Hale-Bob Comet is not reacting to it as if it had a lot of gravity. | ||
| But obviously the comet is reacting to it to some degree. | ||
| We feel from the fact that there are radio signals and apparently light flashes coming from it that it may be and probably is under intelligent control. | ||
| Theoretically, it may be hollow. | ||
| And people are speculating that this may be the mothership of all motherships, obviously. | ||
| And at the same time that this is drawing closer, the number of UFO sightings around the world is rising astronomically. | ||
| And what we're all sitting here doing is trying to figure out how do we respond. | ||
| And my time is about up with y'all. | ||
| And I want to remind you again about this meditation. | ||
| Sometime between 11.30 and midnight, every night for 15 minutes, sit down, clear your mind, go into your body, and then take that image of yourself, your watching, observing self, out toward the object. | ||
| And imagine you're there observing it. | ||
| Do that every night. | ||
| And this will be the first time that mankind has communicated on this level at all, in a mass way. | ||
| Don't fail us. | ||
| This is why I'm on the show. | ||
| I am telling you and begging you to remember to do this starting tonight. | ||
| Tell all of your friends to do it. | ||
| And don't stop with one night. | ||
| Do it, do it, do it. | ||
| And the more confirmation that comes, spread the word to keep doing it because this is how we are going to establish our side of this relationship if indeed that is what this is about. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Whitley, over the next few days and weeks, week, let's make it singular, I expect there will be more information. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And if there isn't, at some point, we'll make our own decision downline. | ||
| So there is going to be more about this, and I hope when the time comes, you will come back and spend more time with us. | ||
| I'm always available, Art. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| Thank you, my friend. | ||
| Not an easy night, but a good one. | ||
| It's been an extraordinary night, I think. | ||
| And I think we started something new tonight. | ||
| We're on our way. | ||
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Where? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| But we're on our way. | ||
| Well, that's good and honest. | ||
| Whitley, thank you, my friend. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's it, folks. | ||
| That was Whitley Streeber. | ||
| You've heard Professor Brown. | ||
| You've heard Prudence Calabrese. | ||
| You've heard me. | ||
| You've heard Whitley Streeber. | ||
| And I guess that's all there is to say right now. | ||
| When there is more to know about, we will get you the information if we're still on the air to do it. | ||
| So thank you very much. | ||
| I wish us all well in this. | ||
| And I think Whitley probably had a pretty good idea with regard to how to approach this. | ||
| Because in the end, whatever will be will be anyway, so you might as well send out good vibes. | ||
| It's the 60s way of putting it. | ||
| At any rate, I thank you. | ||
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| What a night, huh? |
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