Dr. Leonard Horowitz alleges U.S. government labs—like Lytton Bionetics and Willowbrook State School—engineered AIDS (1974) and Ebola (1965), linking them to $10M DoD germ warfare funding, contaminated vaccines (e.g., hepatitis B), and Rockefeller-backed population control. He claims CDC evidence was deleted, vaccines spread autoimmune diseases, and Clinton’s 2000 vaccination mandate ignored risks like death or brain damage in 200K–300K children. Meanwhile, Rodney from Arkansas traps a spirit named Everett using ultrasonic pest controllers, sparking debates on cosmic laws and potential dangers—until Art Bell advises caution, leaving listeners questioning whether science or supernatural forces pose the greater threat. [Automatically generated summary]
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With all the dangers our world faces, really big dangers, the biggest may be the smallest.
Viruses.
And that's what we're going to talk about this morning with Dr. Len Horowitz.
And he wrote a monstrous book on emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola.
Nature, accident, or intentional.
We'll talk about their nature, perhaps the Gulf War.
Well, I want to say virus.
I don't know it's a virus.
It might be a virus.
We're going to find out.
We're going to talk generally about viruses and why there seem to be more of them, like everything else these days.
And so we will get to that shortly.
There was a line in a famous movie that I saw recently in which a female agent, intelligence agent, said, I never let the little things bother me.
Some little things should bother you, and they are the small ones, the viruses.
Dr. Len Horowitz, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Your Lord.
You are presently on the road, I take it, book signing or something?
Well, I became the chief investigator of the murder theory in that case.
At the time, that was July 27, 1990, when the case broke, I was operating as the chief professional advisor for the largest dental and medical catalog supply company in the world.
And the CEO asked me because of my background, I have a master's in public health from Harvard in behavioral science.
I was a dentist for 16 years.
I got a degree from Tufts.
I had another master's degree in health education.
And my background was in media, health education, health promotion, and fear, anxiety.
And so I was asked to develop patient educational literature to help allay people's fear of going into dental and medical offices.
But at any rate, at the time, I started to investigate the Florida dental AIDS tragedy because of this assignment.
And I began by researching the Centers for Disease Control's official investigation reports.
I found them initially to be scientifically questionable.
I later found that they were scientifically bogus.
Then I found about a year later that they were fraudulent.
They had literally deleted much of the evidence, the incriminating evidence against Dr. David Acker, who the bottom line showed had intentionally injected his patients with HIV-tainted anesthetics because he believed he needed to express a vendetta against the government.
He believed that he was dying from a virus that the government had purposely created as well as intentionally deployed.
A DNA sequence, which was done by the world's leading DNA sequencing analyst for Los Alamos, for the government's laboratory, it was Los Alamos Laboratories, Gerald Myers.
And that was not the only thing that was relied upon.
There were numerous other investigations ongoing as to what the alternative explanations were, whether it was patient-to-patient transmission, whether it was an accidental injury, whether it was the use of unsterilized equipment or instruments, or whether it was a superinfectious strain of the virus.
And none of those theories held water except for the murder theory.
What they showed is that it's true that sterilization of handpieces is important, but in that particular case, it was not because the patients had not received the use of the same handpieces or the same dirty instruments.
So that had been ruled out about a year and a half before, in fact, it was the 2020 segment and the Street Story segment.
How do we know that Dr. Acker had the attitude you described, that he felt that the government had done this and he was going to get back at them by killing others?
Because I did something that you didn't hear about, nor did any of the American people.
I cross-matched Dr. Acker's personality profile with those of 36 serial killers studied by the FBI.
I used the FBI's Methods and materials to evaluate and investigate the case.
And Dr. Acker maintained a classic organized serial killer personality profile, crime scene profile, and developmental history.
That's how come I can say with a great deal of confidence.
And I published this in the December 94 issue of the British Dental Journal, initially in an article called Murder and Cover-Up Could Explain the Florida Dental AIDS Mystery.
And then that subsequently led to the publication of my last book called Deadly Innocence, The Kimberly Bergalis Case.
Now, the American news media blacked it out.
I was interviewed on the BBC.
British dentists and the British people know more about this issue than the American people.
I can understand that you could do a study of Dr. Acker from the perspective of the modus operandi of a serial killer and come to the conclusion that he had done this in a serial manner.
How did you determine that he had an attitude that he, in effect, had been killed by the government?
He believed he was infected with the virus because he had gotten a hold of, or in essence, what he did was he created a crime that couldn't be solved without implicating the government.
If they told the truth, then everybody would want to know motive.
And as I said, the motive was loud and clear, screaming in the legal testimonies, and it was that Dr. Acker had gotten a hold of Dr. Robert Strecker's material.
So do you remember his brother Ted Strecker had obtained through the Freedom of Information Act an extraordinary document, a 1970 Department of Defense appropriations request for $10 million for a five-year study to develop immune system ravaging viruses in germ warfare?
Okay, that was the document that drove Dr. Agger crazy, and when I found that document, I lived in denial for about eight months.
I could not believe that this was a legitimate document.
And then after I was done, the deadly innocence investigation, I finally, curiosity got the better of me.
I went back into Harvard's Countway Library where I did most of my postdoctoral research, and I began to dig.
And what I did in my latest book, Emerging Viruses Agent Ebola, is I tracked that money.
I tracked that document.
That document is legitimate.
I show you exactly where, out of the congressional record, it was pulled and made classified.
I then show you where the money went.
The money went to Litton Bionetics Research Laboratories, a subsidiary of the mega-military weapons contracting firm, Lytton Industries.
And I show you exactly what they did to take this money and create numerous AIDS-like and Ebola-like viruses.
I show you who did this, when they did it, how they did it virtually every step of the way.
And because most people can't imagine it, I literally reprinted the government contracts under which these types of viruses were developed, including how much the bioengineers were paid.
He had a sex partner who was HIV positive, and that sex partner, after the affair, called Dr. Acker, told him that he was HIV positive, and that Dr. Acker should get tested.
And Dr. Acker lived, that's one of his traits, in denial.
And so he never did get tested until it was December 18th, October 8th, 1987, was when he first really realized he waited two years at least.
Before we begin talking about the origin a little bit, I've got a piece of material on you here, and it says, sure, AIDS came from African monkeys, but what they don't tell you is what they did to the monkeys.
Well, what that means is that's exactly what I learned.
What they did to the monkeys is they, and when I say they, I'm talking about now the famed or infamous Dr. Robert Gallo, the alleged discoverer of the AIDS virus in 1984, and co-investigators Robert King and Herrera Adamson, Stringer Yang, as well as John Landon at Lytton Bionetics Research Laboratories.
They took monkeys, various types of monkeys, rhesius monkeys, woolly monkeys, and they took monkey viruses like SB40, simian virus 40, which was the 40th monkey virus ever discovered, and other monkey viruses, which were humanly benign, or at least considered at that time to be humanly benign, although we now know, and we have evidence to suggest that people who said that they caused cancer were defunded and demoted and demoralized.
But at any rate, they took these monkeys, viruses, and they recombined them with virtually every animal cancer virus under the sun.
They recombined them, for example, with feline leukemia virus RNA, chicken leukemia, sarcoma virus RNA.
That caused immune suppression, wasting, and death.
The cat leukemia caused a laundry list Of symptoms virtually identical to what AIDS patients suffer from.
I would say that 98% of the people, in fact, even Dr. Robert Gale, an interesting story about him, but what gets him off the hook is that he published.
He left a paper trail.
And it is wild as nightmares or imagination.
He probably wouldn't have published had he at all thought that it would have gotten out accidentally or by intent.
But what they were doing, they were under four different types of contracts.
The first, as I mentioned, was Department of Defense Biological Weapons Development.
They believed that the Russians were going to get ahead of us, and for national security reasons, they developed these types of viruses for germ warfare.
But then they were also developing these viruses because for the National Cancer Institute, number one, they were still interested in evaluating the cancer virus cancer theory.
It still was not determined definitively that cancer viruses cause cancer in humans.
They knew this to be true for animals.
And so during the 1960s, during what was called the Special Virus Cancer Program.
And then not only that, they were looking for vaccines to cure cancer and early diagnostic screening methods to find cancer viruses in tissues in a hopeful effort that once you found it, you could eliminate it and then prevent cancer.
As a matter of fact, I was privileged to be the first investigator in the history of the esteemed International AIDS Conference on July 10th of this year to present the first scientific paper saying that these are undoubtedly laboratory creations.
And as I said, I go into who made them, when they made them, how they made them, and show you the contracts under which they were made.
So they've created numerous AIDS-like and Ebola-like viruses.
Most plausibly during the 1974 experimental hepatitis B vaccine that was administered simultaneously to 200,000 human subjects in New York City and Central Africa.
In New York City, subjects were Willowbrook State School mentally retarded children, gay men in New York City, and blacks in Central Africa, eastern Zaire, Northwest Uganda.
It's just the fact that most people aren't aware of that scientific fact because the media and many, many of the principal investigators have been hyping that once infected, you're going to die.
Well, as a matter of fact, so much so that insurance companies were paying death benefits before people died based on calculations of when they'd be dead.
I mean, right now there's about 13% of the gay community in San Francisco that have lived for more than 16, 17 years with the virus, with the infection, without having any symptoms.
Likewise, there's about 8% of the hemophili population that get pumped full of the ton of viruses and the contaminated blood and blood clotting factors and they still have been maintaining their health.
See, it really depends on cofactors like lifestyle risks, like nutrition, like exercise, like emotional stability, like relationships, like your spirituality.
If you believe in God and you have faith that the Lord is with you and that you will be healthy and you have a purpose in life and you have meaning in your life and you're involved in helping others, those are the major factors that boost the immune system, which is countered by the AIDS virus.
There have been a number of things I want to ask you about.
Recent supposed Breakthroughs with medicines, soups, various sorts of medicines put together that they say now will arrest or at least stop the AIDS virus from attacking.
Yeah, well, see, Dr. Duisberg, I could tell you some fascinating things about Dr. Duisberg's early research because he developed numerous AIDS-like viruses with Dr. Robert Gallo and under NCI contract.
In fact, Dr. Duisberg was, and I show you his contract in emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola.
I show you his specific contract.
He was taking type C animal cancer viruses and doing the same types of studies with these viruses that Dr. Gallo was working with monkeys with written bionics researchers.
Duisberg was doing it in chickens.
And even at one point, you know, Duisberg is claiming to this day, he's the doctor, for most of your listeners who may not know Duisberg, he's the doctor that's been claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS.
See, when I see Dr. Duisberg, now you have to understand I'm an expert in media.
I'm not an expert in virology.
I'm an expert in media.
I know how the media is used to twist people's minds and for what purposes.
And I can tell you that what Dr. Dunsberg is not saying is more important than the 80% of what he's saying.
The 80% of what he's saying is that HIV does not cause AIDS, that it's the drugs, lifestyle risks, poppers, and the AZT, DDI, 3TC, protease inhibitors, all that stuff is killing people.
I agree.
It is.
There's probably more people dying from those drugs than the people dying from the actual virus.
See, but what he's not telling you, and it's just that the typical government disinformation program goes like this.
You may be aware of it.
80% truth peppered with about 20% lies.
See, it was British poet Tennyson that said, lies peppered with half-truths are the hardest matters to fight.
And indeed, what Dr. Duisberg is saying is 80% correct.
And then the other 20% is what he's not telling you is that he was intimately involved in the development of these types of viruses under the highly funded, largely secret special virus cancer program, which ran between 1962 and 1976.
It comes from, most plausibly, based on the science.
John Landon's written bionetics research study that began in 1965, where he took 18 monkeys, he inoculated them with the mother of Ebola, which was Marburg.
Actually, the mother of Ebola was Marburg.
The mother of Marburg was what John Landon used.
So like every grandmother of Ebola, John Landon took that, he inoculated that virus into 18 monkeys.
Nine of them, he reported, died.
The other nine were shipped to vaccine production facilities.
The monkey lived because it had developed antibodies, and that was the monkey that was required to develop the vaccine.
And though that movie was basically mostly true, it's all based on fact, except for the Hollywood ending where they find this monkey and in 48 hours develop a vaccine to save the United States, that shows you what they do with the monkeys that lived these experiments.
They send them to the vaccine production facilities.
And that's exactly where the first Ebola-wright virus broke out.
Marburg, it was entitled Marburg.
It broke out simultaneously in three vaccine production facilities in 1967 in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, Frankfurt, Germany, and Marburg, Germany, where it got its name.
Let me ask you about that movie before we leave that.
The contention was that if something like Ebola got loose, and I've often wondered about that, if it did in a community about that size, somewhere in the United States, and it was getting loose just about the way it was in that movie, in real life,
I suspect that that last-minute cure would not have been found, and that they would have been facing the choice that I thought they were facing, and that is to destroy that community and those American citizens.
What would happen, do you suppose, Doctor, in modern America if a community began to come down with Ebola?
Well, in Clancy's new book, he's got the scenario that there are these Muslims, noratens terrorists that get a hold of Ebola and they release it in America, in urban America.
I thought of that when I thought, last time there was an Ebola outbreak, I thought, boy, you know, if somebody were to make it down there and get a sample of that, they would have a weapon that would be almost like a nuclear device.
Now, starting in January, I was already predicting to health care professionals throughout the United States during OSHA compliance and infection control seminars that they could expect another Ebola outbreak sometime soon.
How was I able to predict that, given it had not broken out for 20 years?
Okay, then the very next Wednesday, after that made-for-television movie was largely promoted, you had the real thing happen, Abola Kikwit broke out.
Now, when the researchers two days, three days later, investigated that DNA sequence of that viral strain, Lawrence Attman, MD for the New York Times, in a tiny little sentence in one article that appeared in the middle of the New York Times, said that, quote, scientists were surprised to learn that the DNA sequence of Ebola tikwit was virtually identical to Ebola Zaire.
Now, how could that happen?
What do you need to have happen for a virus that mutates very, very rapidly, that would go over a 20, would travel over 20 years over 1,000 kilometers away?
They're too easily kept and too easily, I guess, reproduced.
So it's pretty frightening.
There's no question about it.
And you're convinced there is somebody.
Let's talk about Ebola for a second.
It seems to burn very hot, very fast.
And I've used this analogy.
Tell me if it's correct.
I live out here in the desert, and we have a little bit of brush here and a little bit of brush there and not very dense brush.
So if there's an outbreak, if something catches on fire, it burns very brightly, very fast, because it's very dry here in the desert, but it's not close enough to any other brush generally to catch it on fire.
So fires don't spread over a wide area in the desert.
You've got a little fire and it's out.
Now, in the forest, if it's dry, we've got a different situation, one match, and it goes up like crazy and consumes a very wide area.
Is that kind of like Ebola?
In other words, it'll take out a little village and just about everything dies.
But if it were to ever get loose in a population center outside Washington, D.C., Reston, Virginia would be a good place to talk about.
If it were to get loose there, what would have happened?
See, I show you that Landon and Bionetics Research Laboratory researchers, including Dr. Robert Garrell, created a combination of influenza and para-influenza viruses with acute human leukemia viruses.
They recombined everything.
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You know, a couple weeks ago that movie Pandora's Clock?
No matter how dark your motivations with regard to creation of a biological weapon, it seems to me that unless you were completely suicidal, you'd create some defense for yourself and your friends and whoever.
Because based on the evidence that I write about this in Emerging Viruses AIDS in Ebola, at that specific time, Dingrich et al.
was threatening to take away $150 million out of the CDC's coffers, and they wanted their own airplanes.
And at the same time, the World Health Organization wanted to implement the Rockefeller University plans for an additional $500 million to establish 14 disease surveillance outposts on the fringes of the tropical rainforests.
Unfortunately, based on all of the scientific facts, as well as the circumstantial evidence, any fool would have to speculate that that is a seriously plausible theory and explanation for the events.
Again, remember, it was the same strain, virtually identical, to Ebola Zaire.
How could a same virus that mutates extremely rapidly with no known host species go 20 years over a thousand miles and come out the same exact virus or virtually identical?
And then for lots of free information, I noticed that you talked about your website, and I'm going to have to link to your website, and I hope you'll link to ours.
We have a fabulous website that exists.
It's called tetrahedron.org.
And we link to all the people who are making a difference in this field, taking political action, looking at issues like AIDS, chronic fatigue, immune dysfunction syndromes.
And there's lots of free downloadable information, including how to boost your immune system naturally, information given to us by Joan Priestley, who's been a physician who's been treating very successfully over 67 AIDS chronic fatigue patients.
There are, you know, there's the incubation periods, and then AIDS itself is, I mean, it's a blood-borne pathogen, so it's a difficult virus to go through the air.
But like I said to you, if you cross the AIDS virus with an influenza virus, or like they did, and we have the documentation to prove, they crossed the leukemia, the human leukemia virus, with the influenza respiratory virus.
The bottom line is all of his mentors had published, and he himself published doing it.
They published it was possible.
They did it even in biological weapons, the laboratories.
In fact, the definitive text on biological weapons, Oxford University Press, contributed by David Baltimore, who's the grandfather to the National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council, which if you read the Stricker material, that document literally says that it was the National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council, informed the Department of Defense that they could do this work for $2 million a year for five years.
They could develop immune system ravaging viruses for germ warfare.
And that document not only shows that they were doing it before 75, but also the textbook published by Oxford University Press says the same thing.
They were doing it between 1965 and 1975, very crudely.
And it's like, you know, they're saying that Alexander Graham Bell did not need fiber optics to make his first telephone call.
Well, there might be a skeptic about what you're saying, but I'm not one of them because our government just got finished admitting how it gave children and people who were ill plutonium to see what it would do.
Any government that would do that certainly would not stop at producing a virus capable of depressing or even killing the immune system.
Yeah, she, as a matter of fact, it winds into what you're talking about because she said the symptoms are so damn nonspecific as to lead one to believe that it is some sort of biological immune suppressor.
Maybe not AIDS, but something very much like AIDS.
And she said that not only are the Gulf War vets catching it, but their families, even their friends are beginning to get this, whatever it is.
Well, if you read Dr. Nicholson's work, and I believe Nicholson is the most advanced researcher in the field of Gulf War syndrome, and he's been now removed, politically removed from MD Anderson Cancer Research Center.
We've just placed on our website his new address in our FTP downloadable public access files, his new address in Southern California.
But he had come out in the American Journal of Occupational Medicine and Toxicology published finding in some 55% of Gulf War Syndrome veterans a mycoplasma, which is a typical, it's a respiratory virus.
A lot of people get it, causes pneumonia, but it's not such a hard to treat problem typically.
But he found a unique strain of it that has the capacity to bury itself deep in the cells.
And he found this in 55% of the Gulf War Syndrome deaths.
And he found in addition to that, 30% of those mycoplasmas had a unique gene attached to it, spliced to it.
At any rate, that's when they released Nicholson and my co-author, the fellow who wrote the forward to my book, Emerging Viruses, AIDS in a Bowl, is W. John Martin.
He's one of the world's leading vaccine contamination analysts who worked as the FDA's Bureau of Biologics Director between 1976 and 1980 in charge of testing human vaccines for viral contaminations.
And those two folks had spent weeks going to traveling at their own expense to Washington to testify in front of the Gulf War investigators.
And they finally released that information on a Friday afternoon saying that most plausibly what gave rise to Gulf War syndrome was contaminated vaccines, a new 17-component vaccine that a company in South Texas had produced and was given to virtually all of the military personnel.
And that that was the only thing that could explain why some people who went over there did not get it, even though they were exposed to the chemical waste dumps.
And some of the people who didn't go over there got Gulf War syndrome.
Because what this vaccine contamination did in some of the vaccine lots, which were contaminated, it caused immune suppression in the individuals that got the contaminations, which then, when these people took multiple drugs, it interacted badly with their system, or they then got exposed to the chemical waste explosion, fallout, and they developed the chemical sensitivities, the multiple chemical sensitivities.
So they came out with this information.
It came out on Friday.
Now, what happened the following Monday was horrifying.
All of a sudden, the Pentagon announces a reversal of tradition and what they had already decided.
They were going to now administer to 1.5 million military personnel a new anthrax vaccine to protect all military personnel against anthrax attacks.
Now, I found that extremely horrifying based on the mass amount of evidence.
I mean, we haven't even gotten into the social political background yet.
And I talk about this.
I mean, we haven't even launched into the most horrifying aspects of my book, Emerging Viruses, AIDS and Ebola.
We haven't even talked yet about the fact that today's vaccines that we're giving our children by law, we're required to give our children, are littered with monkey virus contaminants as well as other animal viruses.
We haven't even begun to talk about the population control agenda.
We haven't begun to talk about the fact that the same people who have been promoting population control are the same people who have been behind the development of AIDS-like Ebola-like viruses, as well as the contaminated blood, as well as the contaminated vaccines.
This past week, if your listeners simply go out, if they don't believe me, that's fine.
Just go out to your newsstand right now and get Money Magazine December 96 issue if they're not already sold out.
Because that has the first good article exposing the scam.
To this very day, the FDA has to turn a blind eye to as many as 100 simian monkey viruses per dose of the oral polio vaccine that we are by law required to give our children.
Because the manufactured, the vaccine is manufactured as it was in the 50s in monkey kidney tissues that are fully contaminated with simian virus 40, simian cytomegalum viruses, herpes viruses, Epstein-Barr viruses, all in the monkeys.
Now, as a public health professional, I can no longer, in good conscience, recommend people get vaccinated with any live viral vaccine until there is a thorough, independent congressional investigation into all of the documented published facts.
Let me ask you about when you become an adult and you get older or they're very young, both of those are generally recommended every year to get flu shots.
It's a progressive neurological, immunological and neurological thing.
What happens is that your own white blood cells can no longer distinguish the difference between your own nerve sheath, the myelin nerve sheath, and something foreign.
So your own white blood cells start to eat away at your own nerves.
And that's what my mother developed.
She developed some paralysis.
She could barely walk, lots of fatigue.
And then what happened is shortly thereafter, she developed cancer and died.
Now, last night in my seminar here in California, I had a woman who said, that's exactly what happened to my mother.
So the swine flu vaccines or the flu vaccines.
Now, I mean, I don't want to jump ahead.
I mean, we probably, before we answer this question, look into the deeper, I think we need to prepare your listeners with going into an in-depth, more in-depth view as to who these people are that are doing this and what their driving motives are.
And so I presume, and I'm going to probably jump ahead when I do this, but I presume you're going to say the reason this is basically being done is population control.
When Kissinger took over as NSC advisor under Richard Nixon in 1968, he almost immediately ordered Laird to do a reassessment of America's biological weapons capabilities.
The reassessment came in, and he selected the option for developing these things.
If you look at the history, how Kissinger got to that position to become the world's nuclear weapons guru, and of course these viruses he was looking for as alternatives to nuclear weapons.
How did he get to that position?
Well, I trace that in the books.
The bottom line is that it was during his stint at the Council of Foreign Relations that Nelson Rockefeller made Kissinger the director of the Council of Foreign Relations Nuclear Weapons Study Group.
And Kissinger's intelligence association goes back to World War II.
His family left Germany three months before Kristallnacht.
He goes back six years later as General Boeing's chief German translator.
General Boeing was Joint Intelligence Commission director and director or godfather to what was called Project Paperclip, the exfiltration of approximately 2,000 Nazis out of pre-post-war and post-war Nazi Germany under the CIA.
First it was the OSS, then it became a cover organization for what was called the German Intelligence Gamer Order.
The CIA was founded.
And many of these Nazis were brought into the United States under Project Papercliffe, paid $65,000 a year plus benefits in 1948 to serve American military and industrial interests rather than go to the Soviets.
Now, it was Kissinger who was the intelligencer's chief Nazi hunting director.
He was the trainer of the American intelligence assets at the European Command School over Abergao.
And he trained the Nazi hunters to seek out and find Nazis, not for war crime trials, but for service to American intelligence and American industry.
Among the people that they brought over was Eric Traub, Hitler's top biological weapons developer.
Well, population control is actually being debated as whether that is a major issue.
It depends on who you speak with.
If you speak to Henry Kissinger, George Bush, Nelson Rockefeller, all the presidents since virtually George Bush was in 1968 in front of Congress heralding the need for drastic reductions in their third world populations, you find all the, you know, there's a tremendous amount of belief that we need to reduce the populations.
Let me go back, with your permission, and talk about Kissinger's connection then to Eric Traub and bringing the Nazis over.
Where we left it off was that Kissinger brought in Hitler's, well, you know, Project Paperclip brought in Eric Traub and his assistant.
Now, this is the world's leading virologist.
He is Hitler's top biological weapons developer.
He is brought in by the CIA, given clearance, and goes to work for the Navy Biological Research Laboratory, which becomes affiliated with the University of California, Berkeley, where Dr. Peter Duisberg currently has been hailing from.
Now, they initially set up one of the first major departments for biological weapons development programs in the United States.
And additional people that Americans know very little about, very little facts are really promoted.
But the fact is, Klaus Barbie, other people that were brought in under this project and harbored by the CIA and American intelligence were people like Klaus Barbie, the butcher of Leon, Joseph Mengele, the angel of death, and virtually all of the top Nazis and all the money that they held were brought out of the rat line, which was an underground railroad that went from Germany to Rome, Italy.
And the money was laundered.
Half of the Nazi war chest was laundered through the Chase Manhattan Bank, Paris branch, Rockefeller's Bank, Paris branch, which remained open throughout the German occupation of France.
And the other half was laundered through the Vatican.
And with the help of two popes, many of the Nazis were given clearance and the money was laundered.
Now, Kissinger's Rockefeller CR Connection to Population Control goes even back further than that.
You might be horrified to learn about what I'm about to tell you.
Remember the racial hygiene laws that were very prominent in the 1920s in the United States and the South?
Sure.
In other words, your listeners probably can't remember this, but in the 20s and early 30s, in some states in the South, you couldn't intermarry.
And it was based upon, what these laws were based upon, was Rockefeller-funded studies, scientific, allegedly Scientific studies that showed definitively that black people were genetically inferior to whites.
Well, be that as it may, I believe in surveys of black people in America, they fairly, by a fairly solid majority, believe that AIDS and other diseases were specifically and are being specifically targeted at them.
You see, what I'm saying is that there was a population control agenda begun early in the 1920s.
And here's where it went.
It started virtually with the research funding with the Rockefellers.
Hitler, when Hitler published Mein Kampf in 1932 and then started his rise to power in Germany, he cites in Mein Kampf, he says, I'm not suggesting anything extraordinary.
The fact we know that the Jews are genetically inferior to other white people, blacks are obviously genetically inferior because of the research that is ongoing now in the United States showing that this is the case.
So he was looking for international support for his, quote, racial hygiene agenda, and he got it.
He was supported virtually by every country throughout the world, and he was even funded by even some Jewish bankers, the Warburgs, other people.
I mean, it wasn't simply the Jews that supported him, but he was supported by virtually everyone in the world because he embraced the Rockefeller's research.
Now, that led to all of the studies being done in the concentration camps, the horrible studies, where they jabbed people's eyes with needles to extract eye color samples and then genetically determined what genes were related to these things.
They did incredibly horrible studies there.
And that these, interestingly enough, Rockefeller's partner, where much of this research was being funded also, Rockefeller's partner was, of course, Rockefeller owned Standard Oil.
And their partner was IG Farben, which was the company that used the slaves, slave labor, took the Holocaust victims and used them as slave labor, and they held the patent on the gas to kill them.
That's Rockefeller's partner.
At any rate, they then continued that research in genetics, and it was just completed in what was called the Human Genome Project at Cold Springs Harbor.
And you've been reading about it in the newspapers now.
They have literally determined every gene sequence in a human being.
They've mapped it all out.
They know every amino acid sequence, every DNA sequence, and every disease predisposition in every race of people.
This is what started in the 20s, advanced in Hitler's regime, continued by Rockefeller funding and other funding at Cold Springs Harbor under the eugenics program and the Human Genome Project, just completed.
Now what you're reading in your newspapers every day is gene for Parkinson's disease discovered.
As a matter of fact, yesterday, the day before yesterday, you saw in the newspaper, they actually came out in the newspapers and said AIDS virus is currently being used for gene therapy.
In other words, they're now going to be using the AIDS virus.
Yes, but you are arguing a very dark motivation here.
You're saying that they are literally designing diseases, and I know where you're going, to limit population or even more horrifically, to conduct genocide on certain ethnic or racial groups.
That is the alarm that I found in emerging viruses AIDS and Ebola.
And I lay out all of this mass amount of historic evidence that would suggest that this is a highly plausible theory that should be considered immediately or else we may just end up dead.
As I go around the country and do my seminars, I ask for a raise of hands of how many people Know people who have died of leukemia, specific types of leukemia that weren't even present, you know, that didn't even exist until the 1970s and 80s.
I show you graphs of how the specific cancers and what cancers have been going off the roof: prostate cancer, breast cancer.
Because we've not just had AIDS outbreaks, Eubola outbreaks.
We've had virtually every cancer virus outbreak from these lunatics laboratories.
They were working specifically with prostate cancer viruses, with breast cancer viruses, with leukemia, lymphoma cancer viruses.
These were the specific viruses that they worked with.
And in fact, most of their, see, these are some of their smoking guns.
Do you know that the specific cancer complex that they researched, they spent most of their money and time researching during the 1960s under this highly funded, largely secret special virus cancer program, was specifically the leukemia, lymphoma, sarcoma, immune dysfunction cancer complex that never existed in human beings before 1978 with the onset of the first AIDS cases.
That is precisely what the viruses that they were developing to produce.
You know, I'm offering people, your show here tonight, I acknowledge you for hosting it, is providing people with a flashlight to go through a very, very dark night.
As a listener, you can take this information and throw it out and not think anything of it.
And you're welcome to walk in the darkness alone.
Or you can open your eyes to the facts.
See, the whole population control agenda has been furthered by the Rockefeller military medical industrial complex and that the vaccines, see, that 1974 experimental vaccine that I told you about earlier most plausibly brought AIDS to the world.
That was produced by Merck-Sharp and Dome Laboratories in cooperation with the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control, and the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases.
These are the same people that are promoting massive inoculation programs.
They have known, we have documented facts obtained through some of it, through the Freedom of Information Act, that they knew that these vaccines were contaminated, and they still know that these vaccines are contaminated.
So you have to begin to wonder, what is the agenda?
Well, you know, the inclination of the skeptics would be to say, oh, come on.
Conspiracy, conspiracy everywhere here.
They knew they were contaminated.
I just can't buy into that.
But the fact of the matter is, we now know that a lot of blood was contaminated.
And in various parts of the world, they were very well aware that blood was contaminated with AIDS, and they continued to produce the anti-clotting agents with massive amounts of blood they knew was contaminated and spread AIDS like crazy.
If you're in New York, you can go out to your newsstands right now and you can get the New York magazine, the title of which, the cover is Bad Blood, and goes into how still to this very day, New Yorkers are being contaminated massively from the New York City blood bank,
as well as they're shipping it overseas as well, and that the vice president is still associated with that, or the vice president of Chase Manhattan Bank is still virtually running that organization.
Yeah, all the hepatitis viruses are coming about again.
Here's the story.
History on Hepatitis in the United States, hepatitis virus research.
And this relates to the AIDS issue tremendously.
And I'll now tell you how the vaccine that most plausibly brought AIDS to the world got contaminated.
Saul Krugman from New York University Medical Center, another documented biological weapons contracting firm in 1965, started to study what was called the Australian antigen.
That was the hepatitis B virus.
He used as his study population Willowbrook State School Mentally Retarded Children.
He inoculated hundreds of children.
Many of them died with what he thought was a cancer virus, hepatitis B. And so many of them developed hepatitis, died.
And then by 1970, he was advanced in his research.
He felt he was close to developing a vaccine.
He then handed the research over to Merck Sharpe and Dome, a fellow by the name of Maurice Hilleman, who is a world-leading vaccine developer for the military as well as the largest pharmaceutical company in the world, Merck.
Now they worked, as I said, with the FDA, the Centers for Disease Control, and National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases to develop four subtypes of an experimental hepatitis B vaccine that was used in different parts of the world.
And what they did is they pulled the viruses out of the children.
They tried to grow it in the children.
They couldn't grow enough in the children, they reported.
They then tried to grow the viruses on cultures.
They couldn't grow it in the cultures.
They ended up saying that they had to grow it and pull it because they needed massive amounts of virus.
Chimpanzees supplied by Lytton Bionetics Research Laboratories whose labs maintained numerous AIDS-like and Ebola-like viruses and a laundry list of viruses I reprint in emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola.
You are horrified.
You see everything like airborne leukemia viruses and all sorts of other mixes.
So they then grow these viruses in the chimps, and of course any AIDS researcher will tell you the closest thing going to the human AIDS virus, HIV-1, the simian immunodeficiency virus from the chimpanzee.
They then extract these live hepatitis B viruses grown in contaminated monkeys.
And of course, then when they extract it, they extract all of the live viruses that that monkey contains, such as the herpes viruses, the Epstein-Barr viruses, the cytomegalo viruses, the herpes B viruses.
Of course, all of these are associated with chronic fatigue.
And then they inoculate these viruses into the Willow Brook Children again, the gay men in New York City, the blacks in Central Africa, and then they use those people's serum to make the vaccines.
And then also for your folks on the web, they'll get a 20% discount if they connect from your website to ours and order the book over the website via email.
Let me read you a facts from a former research immunologist.
It says, Doctor, the main reason I left laboratory and clinical research is the possibility of contracting a disease, not just AIDS or hepatitis, but an odd autoimmune disease.
After 15 years in the lab, it was alarming how many of my associates were contracting autoimmune diseases, diseases that attack their nerves or the lining of their blood vessels, etc.
Many researchers contracted, I believe it's microplasmic diseases from cell culturing.
These diseases were being routinely explained as genetically linked, but it is quite clear to me that they are an occupational hazard.
Too many viruses, varrokines, microplasmic infections floating around in the air and environment in a laboratory and in the clinical setting.
I walked away and became a medical writer.
I don't believe these diseases are genetically linked at all, but rather manufactured.
And by the way, I agree, don't get a flu shot.
They're processed too quickly with too many risk factors.
Richard Presta's book that alleged that these viruses are coming out of Bat Guano at the bottom of Kittim Cave and we're infringing in the tropical rainforest and these bugs are just jumping up in us.
Well, it's garbage.
It was funded by the Sloan Foundation, which funded MIT studies for $200,000 a year during the 1960s under the, quote, neurosciences umbrella for, quote, public management, mass persuasion, technologies, research, brainwashing.
That's who funded that book, The Hot Zone.
And their purpose was to let people know that these viruses are going to be coming.
Now, Kidd and Cave is a metaphor for written bionetics research laboratories in northwest Uganda.
The Sloan Foundation worked intimately with the Rockefeller Foundation to fund population control studies.
Now, the other night, another example of how subtle this disinformation is and the black-white racial violent agenda is, that not only are the Muslims being blamed for bringing in Ebola viruses and releasing them in the United States, but in that movie we talked about, Pandora's Clock, you had a white pirate and a black co-pirate, and if the two had guns or knives, they would have killed each other.
See, the government, I wrote an article about this a couple of years ago.
The government has 10,500 and some odd people every day inundating the mass media with press releases.
Taxpayer-funded press releases that literally tell the herd, the sheep, which way to go.
Now, it's incredible the level of denial and indifference you can create by mass public persuasion programs, mass media.
It's true.
And, you know, it's like the Jews walked into those Nazi concentration camps, literally after years of being tortured, believing that they were going to take delousing showers.
I mean, I believe that today's, I mean, based on the evidence, today's public health departments, physicians' offices are the gas chambers.
And the vaccines are very plausibly the gas delivering the deadly toxins.
Yeah, I go over all of the different viruses that were being developed and tested in all the labs in the special virus cancer program.
And they were focusing the hepatitis research, as I mentioned.
And I go over that in Northwest Uganda and New York City.
That's where this was done.
And, of course, New York City is the hotbed of all this research because it's the home of the Rockefellers.
It's the home of the New York City Blood Council.
I mean, it's interesting that the fellow, the French fellow who allowed 1,800 HMA tainted blood samples to go out for $20 million in France, he's doing time.
But yet Lawrence Rockefeller and his boys at the New York City Blood Bank, you know, they don't even get an honorable mention on the 60 Minutes episode the other day.
It was the government, the undefinable bureaucracy, the government, that knew that the blood was tainted, that allowed 10,000 hemophiliacs to get this virus.
I mean, I cannot believe that people are not out in front of Chase Manhattan Bank in New York burning Rockefeller in effigy.
Ostensibly for drugs, but of course, once they get genetic information, they've got it all.
unidentified
What I thought was maybe they were trying to limit their liabilities, identifying certain genes that later, in their later years, employees, they could get rid of before they become a liability.
In other words, if you give somebody a hair sample, ostensibly for a drug test, as you pointed out, they've pretty much unraveled the human genome.
Do you think they're using this information now, as so many people feared they would, to look carefully at somebody who might contract cancer at age 40 or have heart attack at age 38 or whatever?
Yeah, well, a blood sample, and this is why many of the military personnel are very concerned about giving blood.
I'm not certain that the hair, it's possible that they could probably test chemicals in the hair, and it's probably you get more information on chemical toxicity or substance abuse from hair samples.
But I think if you really want information about the human genome, you want to get some blood.
Oh, by the way, the Rockefellers own plantations in South America that had place.
Nobody wants to believe that.
My two questions are, number one, Dr. Horowitz, is Dr. Duisberg right when he says that somebody who's HIV positive and lives holistically can live forever and ever and ever?
And secondly, is there enough information available that some attorneys could start some class action lawsuits for HIV-infected people?
Well, I think the listener is definitely on the right track.
I think that the situation is she may have been contaminated during a vaccine.
And like John Martin says that all of the live viral vaccines are suspect.
The condition that she's specifically suffering with, I'm not tremendously familiar with lupus.
I know that neurological diseases, I know it to be a neurological disease, but I don't know a lot about it.
I know that Martin talks about a host of neurological diseases being associated with vaccine contamination.
I know that, for example, he talks about even attention deficit disorders and hyperactivity disorders in our children.
And he talks about, he published last year finding, this was published in the Journal of Virology, finding semi-African green monkey gene sequences in a patient suffering from encephalopathy, in a child suffering from encephalopathy.
And we also look back at the polio vaccines and compare what used to be called polio in many cases now is called meningitis.
And when I do my seminar, it's extraordinary how many people have had meningitis.
People knew others of people that have had meningitis.
And this was relatively new, only since they're like the 60s after the polio vaccines were administered.
So again, I think your color, I think the cholera is extremely on the right track.
I mean, it's a horrifying reality.
As I said, my mother died of this.
I had a sister-in-law who was a beautiful, and still is a beautiful woman, but she developed chronic rheumatoid arthritis following a hepatitis B inoculation just some four years ago.
I think what's coming right now is Ebola because they're telling us that this is coming, and we're hearing that time and time again, Ebola-like viruses and perhaps other plagues, biological weapons that are going to be released.
They have a tremendous auditarium of viruses that they could release.
And so I don't, you know, it's hard for me to say what specifically, but, you know, it could be Ebola.
I'm not a virology expert, or I don't even consider myself an AIDS expert.
I can tell you that what you're experiencing, what your listener is experiencing, that sadness is the most mature, adult, normal human response, appropriate response for this information.
The next step is you've got to get beyond that to political action.
As a matter of fact, Dr. Martin and Dr. Nicholson are specifically working in labs to develop diagnostic techniques for these complex infectious diseases where you have bizarre, a whole bizarre series of problems, both immunological and neurological.
Again, like lupus.
It's a weird disease, neurological components, immunological components.
And this is the same thing as Gulf Warshin.
They're telling it's in people's heads.
It's stress-related.
Yes.
You know, and then the physicians, when you go back, it's horrifying how brainwashed physicians are by the pharmaceutical companies.
If you go back and you say, well, I'm suffering from a disease, it looks to me like it's associated with a vaccine, they say, you know, it's in your genes.
Yeah, now here, I have to share this with you because it's a horrifying reality.
Now, our children, the Clinton administration just this year has mandated hepatitis B vaccines for our infants.
Now, this is insane.
First of all, hepatitis B vaccine is, hepatitis B is principally a blood-borne pathogen, a sexually transmitted disease, number one.
Healthcare workers get it, and teachers get it because they're worried about blood-to-blood exposures when they're caring for people.
But Now, the manufacturer tells you that every seven years, you have to get your blood rechecked.
Also, 30% of the people who get vaccinated never develop any protection.
So, does this mean now at age seven, we have to, again, check for $175 our children's blood, they're still not sexually active.
Seven years later, check them again, try to get a teenager at age 14 to do anything.
Now, that's not the worst.
Here's the problem.
You read the insert, package insert, and hepatitis B says that some 15% develop, 15% every time you take the vaccines, 15% develop a little redness and swelling in the injection site.
No big deal.
About 12%, 13, 14% develop cold flu symptoms, lymph adenopathy, swelling the lymph nodes.
No big deal.
I suppose we could live to that.
10, 12% develop worse symptoms.
8 to 10, more worse symptoms.
5, 6, more severe symptoms.
3, 4, very severe, potentially chronic illnesses, more symptoms.
They say less than 1%.
And I'm telling you, I can't trust these people at all knowing what they have done.
I have to assume, as a healthcare professional and as a public health authority, that you have to assume, when they say less than 1%, suffer from drastic, life-threatening, chronic illnesses such as chronic rheumatoid arthritis, brain damage, mental retardation, and perhaps even death.
I have to assume 1%.
Now, how many children do we have in the United States?
I know there's about 50, but let's give these people the benefit of the doubt.
Let's say there's 20 to 30 million children that are now going to get vaccinated with hepatitis B. Now, that means that between 200 and 300,000 of our children over the next seven years are going to be developing severe chronic rheumatoid arthritis, debilitating chronic diseases, or deaths.
They have never done definitive risk-benefit-cost-benefit analyses for any of these vaccines.
And as a public health professional, as a student in every public health school in the world, you learn before you make health care policy legislation and you mandate things in healthcare.
Okay, you're going to have to speak up good and loud.
You're a little hard to hear.
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I am only 23 years old, and I had been diagnosed as having the Epstein-Barr virus.
Right.
The only thing I can think in relation to that of how I could possibly have gotten it by listening to this show, I realized I had been vaccinated against having hepatitis about three years ago when I had been working for the floods here in St. Louis.
Now, within the past month and a half of diagnosed with this virus, the main factor being my lymph node swollen and having been tested for other things and coming up negative, within a month and a half, they have found the Epstein-Barvirus is now completely just vanished, gone out of my system.
I don't know basically how to explain it.
Now they found that my red blood cells are larger than they're supposed to be, which is a sign of anemia.
Sounds like part of a crying fatigue picture, which is associated with Epstein-Barr virus.
And yes, indeed.
Again, I would think vaccine contamination, and I would think, and I know, and I show you in the book Emerging Viruses, Aiden Ebola, that it was the Epstein-Barr virus and Burkitz lymphoma and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma that they were studying specifically in Central Africa.
That was one of the earliest things that they were studying, and I'm clear that those things continue to break out of their laps.
unidentified
Right.
I knew I did some research on that as far as that goes.
Do they have any information on whether Epstein-Barr virus is present, the actual virus present before someone is diagnosed with plymouth?
Well, first of all, you can connect to the website.
It's right through ARTS website, to our website, and then go to our resource links, and you will then be connected to all the people and all the organizations who are making a difference in this field.
And the fields being chronic fatigue, AIDS, immunizations, immune dysfunction, everyone from people who are doing political action to people who are doing clinical research and wrong patient care.
unidentified
Okay.
I've been a nurse for 30 years, and I've just been diagnosed with fibromyalgia in the last five years.
Well, I'm certain that you can thank the Rockefeller Foundation and Rockefeller University and the New York City Blood Bank and their affiliated pharmaceutical industry for all of these current and coming breaks.
I mean, the evidence is just so overwhelming.
You have to be a fool not to open your eyes to it.
Well, I would think this is also overwhelming that other than political action, the only thing a person can do is to take individual action to protect themselves and their families.
Because they've got to, the physicians should read the book, the self-scientists should read the book, and the informed consumers should read this book just so that they know who they're dealing with and how they have been disinformed and what the current and coming risks are with regards to these vaccines.
See, Bernice Eddie, she was the Bureau of Biologics director in charge of testing vaccines, the Salk and Sabin vaccines.
And she inoculated a dozen monkeys with the SALC vaccine.
They all killed over, paralyzed, or dead.
Then what happened was she took this information.
She took pictures in the photographs.
She took those to the director of the NIH.
He confiscated the photographs, demoted, and defunded her.
Ten years later, 1972, she went to Congress, and in front of Congress, she says, if you continue to allow these vaccines to go out, in the next 20 years, you will have epidemics unlike the world has ever seen.
You'll see that the American Cancer Society, again, this is kind of like a follow-up arm of the Sloan Foundation, the Sloan Foundation, which paid for disinformation and population control.
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It is a three-hour program, and I'm already getting a zillion questions about it.
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And that's the way to get a copy of the program.
In a moment, we're going to completely change gears here.
Yesterday morning, I got a call from a fellow named Rodney somewhere in Arkansas.
Rodney has, or claims to have, trapped a spirit.
He's got it trapped, just like in Ghostbusters, or kind of like in Ghostbusters, I guess.
We'll ask about that.
And he has trapped it, I think I recall him telling me, with modified bug zappers.
Have you ever seen a bug zapper?
Remember sometime you'd have those electrical bug zappers?
And a bug would come by and it's gone, right?
Somehow he's modified those, has caught a spirit and trapped it in a room.
And I talked to him about an hour ago, as of an hour ago, he still had it trapped.
So we're going to talk to him, and I'll read the facts he sent that got us into this here in a moment.
In a moment, it's off to Arkansas.
But first, I want to remind everybody out there, yesterday, Whitley Streeber called me just before the program and said, Art, you're not going to believe what I have.
I'm going to send it to you.
It's copyrighted, but you can put it up, share it with everybody.
And he doesn't want you to transfer it anywhere else, but you're welcome to download it, look at it, and see for yourself.
Whitley Streeber, who wrote Communion, has received, and I'm going to let him tell you about the source of the photograph when he is ready, has received a photograph of an alleged alien that he claims is exactly what he saw.
So real that that described in Communion was not quite the full story.
He intentionally did not describe exactly what he saw, so he would know, and you would know through him what the real thing was when somebody finally got a photograph.
What we've done, I got to thinking about this much later because it took me until July to finally come up with the idea and put it in place, is we bought about five more of these units.
All right, so you didn't have the whole thing covered.
How did you end up finally covering it all?
unidentified
Well, my friend, he's an electrical engineer, and he suggested taking the unit out of its housing and putting it in a housing that would broadcast the sound waves in a larger pattern.
So we could cover the whole thing.
Either that or buying more units.
So what we come up with was a casing to a drop light, like what you would use to work on your automobile.
All he done was let out a slight, not quite like what I heard you play there, but something similar to that, not quite as long or as loud, and then hissed.
I mean, it was a constant hiss, by the way, for about five minutes, and he stayed hunkered down.
And I thought, well, he's going to die if I don't get him out.
I don't know if it was actually the entity or, like the caller said, the noise or whatever that is.
It seems to me, like just going by my conscience, you know, is that if you lured it in and if it wasn't bothering anybody and you lured it in, and if you're holding it against its will, then you're not authorized to do that.
There can be repercussions.
And I'll give thought to that, but then what's the consequences when I let it go?
Sure, I'd say something like that, wouldn't you, if you were trapped?
Go ahead, turn it off.
I'll stay.
unidentified
If he's trapped against its will, then it's sort of like putting somebody in prison and you're not authorized to do it.
And there's what you might call cosmic laws.
Sure, I've thought of that, and I wouldn't want that to happen to me, I mean, in the future life.
And I've thought seriously about turning it off, but surely not before the show here.
And one more thing I wanted to ask you.
I might have missed something you said, but can you see it or not?
No, I cannot.
Your wife can see it, though?
Not unless she gets up onto the platform and instantly, this is how I really believe that it's there, because usually it'll take her some time to start communicating, but instantly she'll get up on this platform, sit on the sofa, and go into a trance and start communicating.
I mean, just that fast.
And she can see it and hear it and everything?
Right.
She's in my bed.
Now, she may be pulling my leg, but I mean, we have a temperature difference here, and that's one of the main things I'm going on, and knowing my wife and trusting her.
Well, have you or anybody other than your wife sensed it in any other way personally?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
Bob Bocatello.
Hi, Bob.
What's up?
Well, you know, I was laying there sleeping.
I just heard part of this, and I said, hey, that's something interesting.
But just some cautions there, Rodney, and a question.
You know, when Art has interviewed Malachi Martin, especially in this last time, I think it was five times Malachi said that we have to remember that Lucifer can appear as an angel of light.
And Courtney made a comment about subspace, which he makes reference to what's probably commonly known as a spirit world.
Well, this spirit world hasn't really been emphasized too much, but it is inhabited by both good and evil spirits.
And perhaps Art could get the discussion from Brother Malachi in this.
But in any case, you're playing with Nitro there, and I can't help but feel that a lot of people who might be into spirit transfer or remote viewing or anything else, when they start inviting spiritual experiences, if they're not really aware of what they might be getting into, it would turn into something like Art's Ouija board experience.
Rodney, I commend you for your adventurous Spirit.
And if I was doing this, I would try to get my wife to, you know, this could be a fabulous learning experience, posing questions to the entity about what things are like in the spirit realm.
If it's being honest with you, it could be a great chance to learn some things and, you know, ask questions about the hereafter.
And also, there are inroads you could make, actions you could take to maybe get this story on one of the TV shows.
And there is a way to contact that Ghostbuster that sightings used.
Okay, what I wanted to say was to Rodney, if this entity has shared good information with him and his wife, and everything has been positive until this point, Rodney, you should trust this.
Make good with yourself and let him go if it's all been good information up to that point.
That's an open question, though, because I don't, and I can't believe that Everett would stay where he is without the RIDPest Model 3200 keeping him right there.
I would have her contact Everett and again ask, you're really going to say if we turn this thing off and then turn it off?
And if Everett goes sliding, slipping, and sliding back to wherever, then you will know that you were definitely lied to, and that would put into question all the information, other information.
Or, if Everett stays, then I think that would underscore the other information.
Why don't you, at the very least, take a photograph of the whole lash-up that you've got there right now while it's running, while Everett is still trapped, and send me that photograph.
But I do think that this would be wonderful news for Father Malachi because he might be able to use it when he's trying to get rid of an individual's demons.
Well, I certainly remember when the storm came through, it tore that place apart.
unidentified
Right.
Anyway, I'm not a religious fanatic by any means, but I have witnessed, my wife has been, and I have witnessed several clergy exercise demons from people.
And when he pulled the cat out, yeah, you could suggest that that happened, but how would you account for the fact there remains, what, a seven-degree temperature difference?
unidentified
That's my point.
I believe he's still there and he's playing games with them.
I think he could have done that, but I think he wants...
They love to that's what they do.
That's why witches can do what they want.
A potion can't do anything.
So if he wanted out, he could have got out through the cat.
I don't necessarily believe in ghosts, but I do believe in demons and angels and things like that.
And from what he said so far, I would have to believe that since Rodney said that he would stay even after he turns it off, I'd have to guess that the ghost is probably, or the demon or whatever it is, is probably lying to him.
And if he's lying to him, then it's not necessarily a good spirit.
And if it's a bad spirit, then he's going to be in trouble when he turns it off.
Those kind of waves clearly can be made to be directional.
I think that's what he's done.
unidentified
And also on the thermometers, I don't know how accurate they are, but has he tried switching them, you know, switching them out and seeing if the readings are the same or if they change, you know, back to where they are now?
In other words, for example, Rodney, have you tried putting another thermometer in there just to test the accuracy of that one, or have you tried taking that one out?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
That's a good point.
And something else you could do is switch them around.
The one reading warmer put on the inside and see if it goes cooler.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified
How are you doing, Rodney?
I've got a couple quick things for you, Rodney.
One is, don't be too offended.
Some of these people are trying to scare you.
Don't be too mad.
If he's angry at you, just turn your rib pest back on him again.
He'll run.
I mean, you got the weapon right there.
I sure do.
If he gets nasty, just turn it on him again.
And if he said he's not trapped, well, don't feel bad.
He said he's not trapped.
But you may even want to consider pulling out the old Leech Board red button now and using that as a kind of telephone.
Or you might want to just put a four sales sign out in front of the house, and while your wife's gone, pack up and let her know by phone, leave her until she works.
All right, here's the kind of guy you need, Rodney.
unidentified
All right.
Yes, what you have trapped there is known by a number of different names.
It's Luciferian, Gremlin.
That's why they're causing all the plane crashes.
What they are are astral beings that inhabit the etheric plane close to the physical plane.
And they cause plane crashes, they cause car crashes, and a lot of house fires are happening lately, too, because they live off the life force that's given off of people that are killed suddenly.
Does it sound logical that he could have done this?
unidentified
Well, the reason that he's able to do it now, he wouldn't have been able to do it a year ago, is because the astral plane and the physical plane are now coming into alignment.
They're merging.
And a lot of the astral entities are being made more dense.
All right, but I've got to ask again, the specific question, does it sound logical to you that he could have trapped one of these things the way he has done it?
unidentified
Absolutely.
He couldn't have done it.
As I said, he couldn't have done it a couple of years ago because the astral plane and the physical plane were too far apart.
But now they're being brought together.
It's like mentioned in Redfield's The Tenth Insight, where the afterlife world and the physical world are being brought together.
Now, this is essential for bringing about the new age.
As you probably know, in Scandinavia, they are the world leaders in cold-temperature electronics.
And they analyze brain waves from people's brains.
They don't freeze the people, but they actually, through cold temperature, can measure these brain waves.
And I have a physicist electronics friend of mine who allegesly claims that they trapped not one, but three, three spirits, accidentally, and that they are from Sidonia.
If you're just joining us, Rodney has trapped Everett, who Is a spirit.
In a sort of a latch-up made up of a number, quite a number, of RIDPest 3200s.
He confirms that Everett is indeed in there because the temperature has maintained about a seven-degree difference with the rest of the room.
And it has done this since Everett has been trapped.
Everett was trapped about 30 hours ago now.
And so, Rodney, there you are.
And Caller, you're back on the air.
unidentified
Yes, I have two serious questions to ask of Rodney, but before I ask them, and I hope he's honest when he answers them, I must continue on just for a minute about the Sidoni.
They are the Phoenicians.
Homer called them the Phoenicians, but he mentioned that they themselves have a name for themselves, the Sidoni.
And you have been talking about Sidonia on your shows every now and then.
It's very interesting.
In any event, they are apparently a very intelligent tribe that came up with our alphabet.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified
Hi, my name's Jason.
I'm in L.A. Yes, Jason.
And the thing I wanted to comment is that that type of pest control thing that you're using, Rodney, that thing, if you look on the directions, which on all those types of things are, they only work on insects and small rodents.
So being that your cat is not a rodent, it's not going to affect it the way what you're saying that happened is not really going to happen if, being that your cat's not a rodent.
So in other words, you're suggesting the reaction of the cat had nothing to do with the RID pest last year.
unidentified
Exactly, because if you notice, if you look at any of these mechanisms that do this, it'll say on the box, save for household pets.
That's absolutely right.
I remember that.
And the other thing is that as far as the picture goes, this guy that just called before talking about this night vision camera or whatever this crap that he's talking about, what the thing is, is if you notice, whenever you watch sightings or any of these other shows, when people take pictures of families outside of the house and they'll notice a figure that's in the window that wasn't there, there was no one in the house, everyone was outside.
These were done with regular standard cameras that you buy at the store.
So if you had a normal, like it's one of those new $25 Polaroids, those Instamatic cameras, or a normal type 35mm camera, if there is such an entity in there, you're going to see it on that average camera, which again, to emphasize it's what everyone sees these things with, with these average cameras.
And also another thing is on sightings, I want to make this real brief, that if you take a video camera, and again, this works the same thing as with the snapshot type cameras.
If you take a video camera and you film the area where it's at, obviously you're not going to see anything because, as they say, naked eye cannot see these types of things.
But if you videotape it and you go back and play the videotape in your VCR, if there's something in the picture in the snapshot, you're going to conceivably see it also on the videotape.
After listening to all the callers, it's like being between a rock and a hard place on this because half of them say you should set it free, and the other half say, don't, you'll die in a car crash or your house will burn down or something.
Which way are you leaning?
unidentified
That's going to take some thought, but I'm leaning towards setting it free.
If that was me that had been captured in a future life or in the other world, I wouldn't like that.
Regards to Dr. Father Malachi Martin, you might consider, I don't think you'll be possessed, but I think maybe Everett will be harassing you when you let him go.
So when you do turn off the power, you might want to set up another array that's big enough where you can jump in because I don't think Everett would follow you back in.
And also, I'd like to say you have a unique opportunity here because there have been recordings of spirits on tape recorders using microphones and stuff.
Right now, if he's close enough to this apparatus, if he can simply flip the phone receiver in there, if this entity wants to communicate, we can do it nationwide right now.
All right, here's what we've got to do now, Rodney.
Now, I want you to throw the phone in there, but after you do it, we're going to listen for, I don't know, a few seconds and see if we can hear anything.
And then I want you to go get on the other phone and leave the cordless going so if there's anything that's said during the last few minutes of the program, we'll hear it.
Hey, I do have one suggestion, and that is this, because of the creative power that we have in us, in other words, as a direct connection with God and your being, pretty much whatever you believe about this being, whether good, evil, whatever, it's going to react to you the same way, to respond to you the same way.
In other words, you can make a connection, and it's either good or evil, depending on your state of being.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does.
So there's really nothing to fear except yourself.
I just want to let this Rodney know that, you know, this doesn't happen to everybody, and he really should hold on to it and speak to a professional or bring a professional on in there because you just don't let this thing go.
I know eventually during his lifetime or during the next couple of weeks, if he wants to make himself feel a little better, he should let it go on his own.
You know, because it's going to go sometime, don't you agree?
Don't you think Everett will take it easy on you a little bit if you do let it go, say, in about a week or two?
Or until you get somebody that can easily get it out if I kept him for a year.
But he might be a little ticked off that I've kept him for 30 hours now.
Well, I really believe if you let him go, say, in about a day or two, he really, like the other caller said, I think he might be playing games with you, and he probably could leave at any time.
But Art, he used to hear listen to you in Cleveland.
So whatever it is you decide to do, and I put no pressure on you to do anything, would you email me or fax me so I know and the audience knows You're safe and let us know what the disposition of Everett has been.