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Nov. 23, 1996 - Art Bell

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19961123_-_Coast_to_Coast_AM_with_Art_Bell_-_Rodney_-_The_Captured_Spirit

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Rodney from Fort Smith, Arkansas, claims to have trapped a spirit named Everett using six RIDPest 3200 ultrasonic devices, creating an electromagnetic barrier that drops temperatures seven degrees. While callers debate whether the entity is a Luciferian astral being causing aviation disasters or merely a result of sound waves, they warn that releasing it could trigger car crashes or house fires. Ultimately, the segment highlights the blurred lines between scientific skepticism and metaphysical fear in paranormal investigations. [Automatically generated summary]
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Call Art Bell 00:05:10
unidentified		Call Art Bell, toll-free, west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255, 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		For those of you who would like a copy of the program with Dr. Leonard Horowitz, who wrote Emerging Viruses, AIDS, and Ebola.
		It is a three-hour program, and I'm already getting a zillion questions about it.
		The way to order 24 hours today, including now, is to call 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		And that's the way to get a copy of the program.
		In a moment, we're going to completely change gears here.
		Yesterday morning, I got a call from a fellow named Rodney somewhere in Arkansas.
		Rodney has, or claims to have, trapped a spirit.
		He's got it trapped, just like in Ghostbusters, or kind of like in Ghostbusters, I guess.
		We'll ask about that.
		And he has trapped it, I think I recall him telling me, with modified bug zappers.
		Have you ever seen a bug zapper?
		Remember that sometime you'd have those electrical bug zappers?
		And a bug would come by and it's gone, right?
		Somehow he's modified those, has caught a spirit and trapped it in a room.
		And I talked to him about an hour ago, as of an hour ago.
		He still had it trapped.
		So we're going to talk to him, and I'll read the facts he sent that got us into this here in a moment.
		In a moment, it's off to Arkansas.
		But first, I want to remind everybody out there, yesterday, Whitley Streeber called me just before the program and said, Art, you're not going to believe what I have.
		I'm going to send it to you.
		It's copyrighted, but you can put it up, share it with everybody.
		And he doesn't want you to transfer it anywhere else, but you're welcome to download it, look at it, and see for yourself.
		Whitley Streeber, who wrote Communion, has received, and I'm going to let him tell you about the source of the photograph when he is ready.
		Has received a photograph of an alleged alien that he claims is exactly what he saw.
		So real that that described in Communion was not quite the full story.
		He intentionally did not describe exactly what he saw, so he would know, and you would know through him what the real thing was when somebody finally got a photograph.
		He says, this is it.
		So you can download it.
		It's up there now.
		The MJ-12 badge I used with a photograph, so you'll know me when you see me on Dark Skies if you get an opportunity to see that December 12th.
		That's up there.
		A link to the Strange Universe television program.
		Now, I'm going to be on Strange Universe Tuesday to find out if there is a television station near you, and about 90% of the country is covered.
		You can go to the link to Strange Universe, their website, and it'll give a listing of all their affiliates.
		That's all on my webpage, as well as a link to Dr. Leonard Horowitz.
		All of it at www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell.com right now.
		I got this yesterday.
		Art.
		I have finally done it.
		After months of communicating with spirits from another realm, I've channeled a spirit, or some say a ghost, into a room which I have prepared for it.
		The spirit calls itself Everett.
		And Everett communicates both in our English language and telepathically.
		The room that I have Everett trapped in is sealed off by a series of electromagnetic devices which he cannot stand to be within three inches of.
		Or I suppose he'd be, I'm adding this, sapped like a bug.
		I don't know.
		I've worked on this since around July of 96.
		And tonight, at 7.06 Central Time, I captured it.
		The spirit is a nonviolent one and does seem to be somewhat scared.
		I have asked him a few questions that you may find of interest.
		Everett says we're being prepared for the great visit of our cousins from beyond.
		So I could not resist, and I asked Rodney, that's his name, to please send me a phone number.
Wave of Escape 00:14:18
unidentified		He did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got Rodney on the line from where in Arkansas, Rodney?
unidentified		I'm calling for Fort Smith, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fort Smith, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, is this essentially correct what you wrote?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
unidentified		I'm not making a bit of it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even a little bit.
unidentified		Not even a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rodney, how did you...
		Well, I don't even know where to begin here.
		First of all, how did you decide to even begin trying to raise a spirit?
unidentified		Okay, let me start by correcting what I told you last night later in the program.
		When I said bug zapper, I'm not talking about one of them blue things that sit out in your yard and zap bugs.
		Oh, you're not.
		No, and a lot of people aren't familiar with them.
		What it is, it's a little device you use in your home.
		You plug it in, and it gets rid of pests such as insects and rodents, small mice and things like that by an ultrasonic high-frequency sound wave.
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was featuring in my mind, and I couldn't figure it out, how a bug zapper would keep anything.
unidentified		Right, I just chose the wrong words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I see, I see, in other words, it produces a sound that does what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can kill mice?
unidentified		Right, it would.
		No, it don't kill them.
		It just keeps them away.
		It's an unpleasant sound, and we can't hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Exactly right.
		And so you found, how did you discover that this was something that would control or keep in a certain space a spirit?
unidentified		Last December, me and a buddy of mine were sitting around watching Razorbacks play basketball.
		And my wife and his wife was off in another room doing what I call channeling.
		They'd go into a trance, and I thought they was putting on a little bit, talking other things.
		And we'd sit around and make fun of them.
		But on this particular night, during a break in the game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made fun of your wife?
unidentified		Well, I'd make fun of what they was doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		I figured it was some strange form of entertainment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I frankly have never thought a lot about channelers myself, and I've got a sister who channels.
unidentified		On this particular night, during a break at the game, I picked up That little pest controller and pointed it right at them.
		And what had happened, they both jumped up and screamed at the same time.
		Really?
		And after they screamed, they sat back down and relaxed.
		But I mean, I found it odd that they screamed at the same time and jumped up.
		Sure.
		They said that the spirit that they was channeling also done the same thing and left.
		And it left.
		When it left, it looked like it was being pushed out of the room by a wave, like a wave of water, is how they describe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so it was insulted, angry, and probably its ears hurt.
unidentified		It probably did, if it does have ears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or the equivalent in the spirit world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it did not like that sound.
unidentified		It must not have.
		What we've done, I got to thinking about this much later because it took me until July to finally come up with the idea and put it in place.
		Is we bought about five more of these units.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bought five more of them?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have to modify them, by the way, for your use, or do you leave them stock?
unidentified		Well, at first, we left them just like they come from the manufacturer.
		And what we done was we set it up in a room.
		We made a platform in the room.
		Yeah.
		And that's where my wife would get up there and do her channeling.
		But we had a device pointed at each wall, one at the ceiling, and one from underneath the platform pointing at the floor.
		Okay.
		Trying to block off any exit.
		Well, that didn't work.
		She said that he exited through an upper corner of the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you didn't have it all covered.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		We flipped the switch, and she said he exited in the same manner, but up in the upper left-hand corner of the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so this is like before we get to how you've sealed it off, this is like something that you leave off, you lure the spirit in.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It gets in there, and you flip the switch and turn it on, and that's it.
unidentified		That's absolutely right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		All right, so you didn't have the whole thing covered.
		How'd you end up finally covering it all?
unidentified		Well, my friend, he's an electrical engineer, and he suggested taking the unit out of its housing and putting it in a housing that would broadcast the sound waves in a larger pattern so we can cover the whole fact.
		Either that or buying more units.
		So what we come up with was a casing to a drop light, like what you'd use to work on your automobile.
		Sure.
		Okay, and we took the device out of its manufacturer's housing, put it in this, and just takes one of them to cover the one wall of the room.
		The room's 12 by 14.
		The platform we have built is 5 foot by 4 foot.
		And that's where everything's trapped right there, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a relatively small area where you trap it.
unidentified		Right.
		Wow.
		There's a small sofa on the floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you worry a little bit that there would be, I don't want to say hell to pay, but hell to pay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you trap this thing, it would get very angry and very upset and do who knows what.
unidentified		I didn't give it much thought.
unidentified		I don't actually do the channeling myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have any relations in the Kansas City area, do you?
unidentified		Not at all.
unidentified		Not that I'm aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know a phone name Mike Markham?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't know Mike Markham?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just checking.
		So anyway, you got all this done.
		And then how did you summon, or how did your wife, I guess, who you had been making fun of, summon this spirit?
unidentified		Well, she got up on the platform that I've talked about, sit on the sofa, and she goes into like a trance, I'd say, for about five minutes.
		And then she'll start talking and mumbling.
		And that's what I used to laugh at because I didn't think there was anything there that she was really talking to, but now I'm convinced that there are.
		I haven't actually seen it with my own eyes.
		I can tell we have a thermometer outside the area on the inside of the area, and it's like eight degrees colder in the center there.
		Really?
		It sure is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's not directly below an air conditioning duct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some reason why it wouldn't.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Matter of fact, I've got the heat duct turned off right now and covered up just in case that could be a route of escape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		I hadn't even thought about that.
		They might get away that way through the ducting.
		So it's colder there, and you can document that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I've got a thermometer right now, one reading 72 and one reading about 65 right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Wow.
		And it's been that way since you trapped this entity, and that's been over now, 24 hours, right?
unidentified		It's been a little over 30 hours now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30 hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you concerned having an entity like this trapped, that something terrible might happen?
unidentified		Well, it's hard to sleep.
		It's hard to sleep in the same house, but what I'm working on now is a way to transport it.
		And I have to go from AC to DC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a portable unit?
unidentified		Right.
		And by the way, I've never seen Ghostbusters.
		I've rented N Penn State tonight and didn't think about it until after I'd rented it that I should have got Ghostbusters.
		So I've never seen that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, they kept entities in a magnetically controlled field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're keeping the entity controlled with ultrasonic, I think it's ultrasonic rights.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it just doesn't like them, or do you think it has more of an ability than even that?
		In other words, even though it wouldn't like these sounds, you would think to get free, it would just burst through if it had to.
		So there must be some greater factor controlling it.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what, in the email that I sent you, I told you three things that it has communicated to my wife.
		But it's done two more things since that.
		One of the things is that it said that it's not trapped, that it can leave on its own free will, that we could turn off the units.
		And I don't want to believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, has one ever stuck around like that before, before you put in your units?
unidentified		No, not after she was done communicating with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it could be lying to you.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		She's not even in the house now, and it's still reading the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she's not?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		She's in Tulsa at some voodoo or something convention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A voodoo convention.
unidentified		Hocus-pocus or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did the two of you get along?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get along okay?
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like you've tortured her a bit about all of this.
unidentified		Oh, it's just good humor.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you apologized, basically, for some of that torture based on the fact that you've now got an entity?
unidentified		She knows that I believe her, and I don't ever do anything.
unidentified		I don't ever tease her to where she would be upset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know the spirit's name is Everett?
unidentified		Now, that was in the original communication, I'd say about 8 o'clock yesterday evening.
		And that's where she went into a trance.
		And she actually done the talking to it and repeated what was being said.
		I see.
		And I took the notes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard anything?
		You said Everett communicates in English as well as telepathically.
		Does that mean in English through your wife or in English aloud so it can be heard?
unidentified		Through her.
unidentified		And also, she can know exactly what it's thinking, and she says it knows exactly what she's thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any other physical documentation of the presence of Everett other than the lower temperature, which is very interesting.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what.
		This morning, about 6:30, I put my cat in there.
		You did?
		I put my cat in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You put your cat in there?
unidentified		And it hunched all up and hissed for about five minutes straight.
		It wouldn't move.
		I finally went out and got my fishing net out of the garage, and it's got a handle on it, and I stuck it in there and pulled it out, and I haven't seen the cat since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had to capture your cat with a net?
unidentified		Right, I'm not seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long did you leave your cat in there?
unidentified		About five minutes, and did not move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't it just, what, sat there sort of all hunkered down?
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		It was on all four feet with his back hunked away up in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		All right.
		And I haven't seen her since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You haven't seen her since.
		So I don't blame her.
		I'd have run away, too.
		So she's probably run away.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tortured by the spirits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do with Everett?
unidentified		Well, I don't want to leave it in the house.
		I've got kids, and I don't like fooling around with that sort of thing in the first place as far as being in the same house.
		I'd like to find a way to transport it and to get some pictures of things like a cat going in air, get some pictures of the thermometers or video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are you going to do?
		You're going to take.
		Yeah, pictures are good.
		I would like to have photographs.
		What are you going to do with Everett?
		Assuming that you can get Everett to transport, where are you going to take them?
unidentified		No idea, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hadn't thought that one through.
unidentified		Oh, I haven't.
unidentified		And all we're relying on now is the power company is not going to have a bump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		I hadn't thought of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't have portable power?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just an instant of loss of power, and Everett's gone.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't believe Everett with regard to, hey, no problem, turn it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to stay?
unidentified		Not a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, if Everett's lying about that, then Everett could be lying about other information given to you.
unidentified		That's right, that's right.
unidentified		But I do find it odd that we did have that plane crash tonight, the C-130.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that was one of the things that he did say originally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He predicted that?
unidentified		Right.
		It says our planes will be confused and air controllers will be stunned.
		Catastrophe will fall upon the world's aviation due to unheard signals from our cousins that are presently trying to contact us.
		And that one's got me a little confused, but I know it has to do with our airplanes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, Rodney, I too watched ID4 earlier in the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And are you sure that that doesn't come from your having watched that movie?
unidentified		No, I watched that tonight.
		This is in the email I saw.
		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is, as a matter of fact.
		That's right.
		That's right.
		Here it is.
		Our planes will be confused, and air controllers will be stunned.
		Catastrophe will fall upon the world's aviation due to the unheard signals from our cousins that are presently trying to contact us.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's right here.
		It's right here.
		And you sent that to me before the facts.
unidentified		I sent that yesterday at 8:36 p.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's when you sent it, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rodney, do you want to give your last name or are you not?
unidentified		I'd rather not.
unidentified		I'm sure there'll be a lot of skepticism and ridicule.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're probably right, Rodney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what I'm going to do is open the lines during the next half hour.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll see if we get skepticism, ridicule, interest, advice, questions.
		Can you ask questions?
		I guess without your wife, you can't, can you?
unidentified		Right.
		No, there's no way.
		I'm not going to step in that thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you a bit.
		Stay right there, Rodney.
		This is CBC.
unidentified		This is the CBC Radio Network.
Facing the Unknown Dome 00:05:09
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rodney, are you still there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got a bunch of people who want to talk to you.
		I thought I could unnerve you a little bit.
		Apparently not.
		Man of steel.
		I would not have trapped Everett in the first place.
		I mean, it took guts to do that.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you worry before you did it?
unidentified		I don't think I worried at all.
unidentified		I'm still not fearful of it unless, like tonight, I wouldn't be able to sleep at all with my wife not home and being home alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Home alone with Everett.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have children?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they have to say about this?
		Aren't they worried?
		Daddy's got a ghost?
unidentified		They don't really know what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're sparing them.
		You're really not talking about it.
		I don't blame you.
		And you've really got a constant since you put the thermometer in there.
		It's been eight, what, eight degrees colder?
unidentified		Right, seven, eight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven, eight degrees colder constantly?
unidentified		Yes, either seven or eight.
		It hasn't been off seven or eight degrees difference since we first put it in.
		It hasn't been six, and it hasn't been nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		This is Fritz, the other Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Petaluma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Petaluma, Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Great program, by the way, tonight, Art.
		I really appreciate the way you do innovative things like this.
		Get brought in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why not?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And nobody else is doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
unidentified		Rodney.
		Yes, sir.
		Have you checked to see if your cat was not responding to the ultrasonic waves as opposed to the entity?
		No, I haven't.
		Check that out.
		Okay.
		I might have to go get another cat.
		Set up another room, too.
		Right.
		And with the waves coming at this entity from all sides, wouldn't they be penetrating right through to the center of where the entity was stationed?
		No, they're facing away.
		Facing away.
		Right.
		It's like a drop light cover, like a dome shape.
		And it's facing the walls.
		He really has no place to go unless he does go through that.
		I say he, it.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		So, it, I guess we ought to really call it.
		Do you know what it was before?
unidentified		We haven't asked that at all.
		She can see it.
		She said it's not closed, no hair.
		It don't have what we would call genitals.
		Really?
		But it's just not blowing.
		I mean, not like what I would picture a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, has anybody suggested any experiments to you that you might do while you have this entity trapped?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		We know nobody that has any type of information on this, period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe we'll find somebody out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a pleasure, Art.
		It's Tony Philosopher.
		Hi.
		Hey, how's it going?
		Hi, Rodney.
		Hi, Tony.
		Hey, I'm a little skeptical, but, you know, hey, I've seen a lot of ghosts, so, you know, I just want to know what shape is the consortium of the instrumentation you got set up?
		And is it covered like that?
		Does it cover the floor?
		And you say it's dome-shaped?
		Right.
		The housing is.
		The housing for each one.
		There's six of them in the room.
		There's one facing the ceiling, one spacing the floor, and one on each wall.
		Okay, does the ghost have an electrical field of any kind that's detected, or you're not into that yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or magnetics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Magnetics also.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I've got no way of checking that.
		Okay.
		Hey, keep up.
		You know, let's get something on video.
		Get some live correspondents out to your house and look into this.
		Get Mufon out there.
		Okay.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Yes.
		Had you thought of that, Rodney?
		That is calling some sort of professional ghostbuster.
		I mean, what you've got is fairly remarkable and may not last.
unidentified		Right.
		I have no idea where to look.
		Maybe the Internet or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, shouldn't you get somebody out there?
		Yeah, maybe the Internet or maybe somebody will have a suggestion.
		What are you going to do with regard to videotape?
unidentified		Well, there's not really much to videotape other than the temperature change, or if I throw some animal in there, I guess.
unidentified		Unless it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you should keep throwing animals in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Besides, you don't have any more to throw in there, right?
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe exactly when you threw your cat in.
		Throw is probably a poor word phrase.
		Placed your cat in there.
Gotcha to the Barrier Point 00:04:32
unidentified		But my hands didn't ever enter the cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, you sort of gotcha up to the barrier point.
unidentified		What did you throw?
unidentified		I really threw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And just and when your cat landed, what did he do?
unidentified		All he done was let out a slight, not quite like what I heard you play there, but something similar to that, not quite as long or as loud, and then hissed.
		I mean, it was a costume hiss, by the way, for about five minutes, and he stayed hungered down.
		And I thought, well, he's going to die if I don't get him out.
		I don't know if it was actually the entity or, like the caller said, the noise or whatever that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, did you try calling him out?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I tried calling him out, and it worried me.
unidentified		Then I run to the garage and got my fishing net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you fished him out.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when he got out, he thought, Would you have an open door or something?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so he just kept on going.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't say I blame him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, hello there.
		This is really neat being on your show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for a while.
		And there's a couple of things I wanted to ask you.
		I guess I have to hold them for another time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please, yes, we have a guest here.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I do want to say that I appreciate those Malachi Martin interviews, though.
		That was really good.
		He might be able to help in this matter.
		But I wonder, okay, Mr. Rodney.
		You know, it's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what he would say about this.
		He would probably say, Rodney, you have no idea what you're into here.
		And, you know, you're going to wake up in the middle of the night with a bedspring through your chest.
unidentified		Well, I could ask Donald.
unidentified		I'm going to sleep at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead, ask your question.
unidentified		Rodney, my name is Dan, incidentally, and I'm in St. Louis, Missouri.
		I wanted to ask you, first of all, I want to make sure that I understand where you're coming from.
		And just under penalty of perjury, so to speak, are you or are you not pulling our leg?
		No, sir.
		Okay, then I'll take your word for it.
		And I have something to say that I'm no expert on this or anything, but I'm just going by my conscience.
		And if this thing was it harassing anybody when you trapped it, was it like, you know, like in Ghostbusters, they trapped a demon or something that was.
		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so if it wasn't harassing anybody, actually, he lured it in, or it was more appropriately, his wife did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Accurately.
unidentified		It seems to me, like just going by my conscience, you know, is that if you lured it in and if it wasn't bothering anybody and you lured it in, if you're holding it against its will, then you're not authorized to do that.
		Right.
		There can be repercussions.
		And I'll give thought to that, but then what's the consequences when I let it go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's got a point there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, it's like it said that it itself claimed that it can leave any time.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But that may have been just something it said in desperation to get you to let it go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I'd say something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't you, if you were trapped?
unidentified		Go ahead, turn it off.
		I'll stay.
		If he's trapped against its will, then it's sort of like putting somebody in prison, and you're not authorized to do it.
		Right.
		And there's what you might call cosmic laws.
		Yeah, I've thought of that, and I wouldn't want that to happen to me, I mean, in the future life.
		And I've thought seriously about turning it off, but surely not before the show here.
		And one more thing I wanted to ask.
		I might have missed something you said, but can you see it or not?
		No, I cannot.
		Your wife can see it, though?
		N not unless she gets up onto the platform and instantly, this is how I really believe that it's there, because usually it'll take her some time to start communicating, but instantly she'll get up on this platform, sit on the sofa and go into a trance and start communicating.
		I mean, just that fast.
		And she can see it and hear it and everything.
		Right, you've been right there.
		Now, now, she may be pulling my leg, but I mean, we have a temperature difference here, and that's one of the main things I'm going on, and knowing my wife and trusting her.
		Well, have you or anybody other than your wife affected in any other way personally?
		There's a cold presence in the house.
		I mean, not chilly cold, just eerie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there's this cat.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's all very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like you to get a magnetometer in there.
Caller's Mystery 00:09:19
unidentified		Magnetometer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A magnetometer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll tell you if there's a magnetic field emanating from that area.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there may well be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, thank you.
unidentified		Is there any chance of getting your wife on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His wife has taken off for where?
unidentified		Tulsa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would she go to Tulsa and leave you alone with this thing?
unidentified		Well, she had this planned for a couple of months now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would there be a future time when we might be able to get Mrs. Rodney on?
unidentified		I'm sure she would love to do that.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you go, caller.
unidentified		Well, thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, Bob Bocatello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Well, you know, I was laying there and sleeping.
		I just heard part of this, and I said, hey, that's something interesting.
		But just some cautions there, Rodney, and a question.
		You know, when Art has interviewed Malachi Martin, and especially in this last time, I think it was five times Malachi said that we have to remember that Lucifer can appear as an angel of light.
		And Courtney made a comment about subspace, which he makes reference to what's probably commonly known as a spirit world.
		Well, this spirit world hasn't really been emphasized too much, but it is inhabited by both good and evil spirits.
		And perhaps Art could get the discussion from Brother Malachi in this.
		But in any case, you're playing with Nitro there, and I can't help but feel that a lot of people who might be into spirit transfer or remote viewing or anything else, when they start inviting spirits spiritual experiences, if they're not really aware of what they might be getting into, it will turn into something like Art's Ouija board experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it could certainly turn into something negative.
		Are you at all con?
		I mean, during this whole period, Rodney, surely, especially in the beginning, it must have had you totally freaked out.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you knew you had it, didn't you worry that you might have summoned up something, as this caller said?
unidentified		Not like I have since I've been talking to your callers.
		But that does raise a little concern to me now.
		I haven't, I mean, in all the excitement, I haven't given much thought to the worry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, I wonder if you managed to get this spirit, Everett, out and into a portable holder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then where do you take Everett?
unidentified		Well, I'm leaning toward not doing that now after talking to that last caller.
		Yep.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get the better phone.
unidentified		This is a great show tonight, Art.
unidentified		This is Dan in the U District.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dan.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Man, this is fascinating.
		Rodney, I commend you for your adventurous spirit.
		And If I was doing this, I would try to get my wife to you know, this could be a fabulous learning experience, uh, posing questions to the entity about what things are like in the spirit realm.
		If it's being honest with you, it could be a great chance to learn some things and, you know, ask some questions about the hereafter.
		And also, there are inroads you could make, actions you could take to maybe get this story on one of the TV shows.
		And there is a way to contact that Ghostbuster that sightings used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do you want publicity beyond this program, Rodney?
unidentified		I'm not sure about that right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, obviously, if we gave your last name, I guarantee.
unidentified		Well, I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee you would be inundated with hard copy, Strange Universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd beat a path to your door, as would many others.
unidentified		Let's pass on that for right now, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's your answer.
		He doesn't want more.
unidentified		Well, I hope Art can interview your wife before too long.
unidentified		It would be very interesting to hear what she has to say, too, when she comes back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
unidentified		You know your wife.
unidentified		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we had her now on the phone from Tulsa, what would she say?
unidentified		She would tell you it's real.
		I mean, she's absolutely convinced.
		There's not even a slight doubt in her mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she's not at all worried about trucking off to Tulsa and leaving you holding the ghost.
unidentified		Not a bit.
		She told me just not to get in there unless I wanted to go into whatever she does.
		But I'm not sure that a person not wanting to could actually do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell us what model a lot of people will want to know what model ultrasonic thingamahicer you're using?
unidentified		It was a 3200.
unidentified		It's what was on the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Made by?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know?
unidentified		I think it's called RIDPest.
		Redpest?
		RID.
		R-I-D.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, R-I-D.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		RIDPest.
unidentified		RIDPest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a model what?
unidentified		3200.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Modified, though.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Hello?
		Oh, is this the Arn Belston?
		it is.
		Oh, I, I, oh my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a very bad phone line, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I do.
		I really do.
		Does that make anything better?
		No.
		Okay.
		Can you hear me very well at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead and ask your question.
unidentified		Okay, well, I had a question for you, and I had a statement for Rodney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, got to make it quick, so go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, what I wanted to say was to Rodney, if this entity has shared good information with him and his wife, and everything's been positive until this point, Rodney, you should trust this, make good with yourself and let him go if it's all been good information up to that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you think Everett should be freed?
unidentified		Well, I do for if Everett has never done anything but send good information for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, that's a, oh, thank you.
		That's a horrible phone line, sir.
		I'm sorry.
		That's an open question, though.
		Because I don't, and I can't believe that Everett would stay where he is without the RIDPEST model 3200 keeping him right there.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe that, too, don't you?
unidentified		I also do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then that means that Everett fibbed because he said he would stay even if you turned it off.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Not even a good person would do that, trapped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is kind of a spiritual equivalent to kidnapping.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, I think you're safe as far as any law would go.
		Certainly you really couldn't be convicted of doing something for which there is no law.
		I mean, there's a law covering kidnapping people, but not spirits.
		So I think you're safe, except perhaps cosmically.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, guys.
		This is Chuck from West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Chuck.
unidentified		I just wanted to talk to you about the Everett thing.
		Yeah.
		Funny thing happened to me.
		I was sitting here thinking, it sounds to me like it might not really be a ghost.
		It might just be some old guy who's been sitting out trying to astrally project, and he was just running around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never thought of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, somebody who went through sleep paralysis left his body.
unidentified		It could be Ed Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And got trapped in Rodney's little trap.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there's somewhere there's a body sitting there waiting for it to be snapped back and nothing snapping back.
unidentified		I can imagine that.
unidentified		Poor soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'd be lucky if they don't bury the guy.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a thought, Rodney.
		Yes, thank you, sir.
		It is a thought, Rodney.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't know the nature of the spirit, do we?
unidentified		We sure don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really are dealing with some unknown stuff here.
unidentified		Rod, coming on your show, I've learned a lot.
unidentified		And may consider when my wife comes back in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she'll be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She'll be back in the morning.
unidentified		Right, flipping the switch.
unidentified		But I wouldn't dare do it without her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I would do?
		I would do a test.
		I would have her contact Everett and again ask, you're really going to stay if we turn this thing off and then turn it off?
		And if Everett goes sliding, slipping, and sliding back to wherever, then you will know that you were definitely lied to, and that would put into question all the information, other information.
Confirming Rodney's Story 00:03:36
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or, if Everett stays, then I think that would underscore the other information.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't it?
unidentified		It sure would.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, there are many, many more people who want to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to hold on for a bit?
unidentified		Sure will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Rodney.
		This is Rodney and, I guess, Everett, actually.
		And we're going to get a chance to talk to his wife and confirm all of this.
		Rodney has a spirit trapped in Arkansas.
		What do you think?
		Free Rodney or keep him bottled up?
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what you can do, Rodney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got one idea.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a camera?
unidentified		Yeah, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you, at the very least, take a photograph of the whole lash-up that you've got there right now while it's running, while Everett is still trapped and send me that photograph.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you do that?
unidentified		I sure can.
unidentified		Do we have people that can detect it from a photograph?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know about this audience, Rodney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the very least, we would get an opportunity to see your lash-up.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your laboratory.
unidentified		Right, I'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The RID-PEST modified 3200s, right?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And you'll give me the address after the show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you the address right now if you've got a piece of paper.
unidentified		I'm ready to rest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is priceless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't miss it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my name.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		P.O. Box 4755.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perump.
		I know it's a strange name.
		That's P-A-H-R-U-M-P, Nevada.
unidentified		N-V.
unidentified		N-V.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zip code 89041-4755.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I will then take that photograph and scan it and put it on the web and in our newsletter and stuff like that so people can see it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seeing is sort of believing.
		Now, I've got a fax here from Fairbanks, Alaska, and I don't want you to take it wrong.
		It's from TJ and Nicole up there, all right?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They say, please let Rodney know that we believe his wife may have gone to Tulsa to a voodoo conference, in quotes, as a cover-up to visit a lover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She has cleverly left poor Rodney staring into empty space surrounded by jerry-rigged bug zappers, and even his cat has now left him.
unidentified		Well, if she is, I hope she's listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you are on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
Penny's Theory 00:15:42
unidentified		This is Penny from Burbank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Penny.
unidentified		And I want to know if this would be true that he could capture or stop any entity with this RIDPest 3200.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not just one RIDPESS 3200.
unidentified		But I meant focusing them.
unidentified		Would they all be affected by this same ultrasonic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, you've got to bear in mind that even Everett claims, ha-ha, that he's not trapped by this thing.
unidentified		Well, I don't believe him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
unidentified		But I do think that this would be wonderful news for Father Malachi because he might be able to use it when he's trying to get rid of the possessed individuals demons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know whether, did you hear Father Malachi Martin?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The exorcist?
		Okay, there you go.
		So you're right, ma'am.
		It would be a wonderful tool if we can prove that it is working.
unidentified		Is this the same entity that jumped when he first shot it at his wife?
		I'm not sure on that.
		No, I'm not sure.
		Oh, well, that would tell us whether more than one would be affected by it.
		Yeah, because that was back in December of 95.
		So it could be a different one.
		It sure could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that Everett should be set free or that he should hold Everett until his wife gets back?
unidentified		No, he should set Everett free because his wife can bring in any of them any number of times, anytime she wishes.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for heaven's sakes, do not do that until you take a photograph for me.
unidentified		Well, I won't, and there's no chance I'll do it without her here.
		Yeah, I agree with that.
		Because she can protect you if he wants to attack you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, ma'am.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		So far, it seems to be the vote is going towards setting Everett free.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Good evening, hello there.
unidentified		Should I say good morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, I guess.
unidentified		I'm Randy from Fort Smith.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're in Fort Smith?
unidentified		Right.
		And first of all, it seems like the quickening's quickening.
		But I don't know if you realize it or not, but Fort Smith is a gathering place for spirits because of the gallows down here.
		Rodney probably knows about that.
		I've heard about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gallows?
unidentified		Yeah, Judge Parker's gallows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Judge Parker's Hanging Judge.
		The hanging job.
		One of you want to film me in?
unidentified		Well, there's about no building downtown that's not haunted by some kind of spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Right.
		And they got all upset when we had this storm come through.
		And they're just moving all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly remember when the storm came through, it tore that place apart.
unidentified		Right.
		Anyway, I'm not a religious fanatic by any means, but I have witnessed my wife has been.
		And I have witnessed several clergy exercise demons from people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Fort Smith.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Some Pentecostal preachers, Evangel Temper, for example, or some of the people over at Spirit 106 Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spirit 106 Radio?
unidentified		Right.
		The Gospel Station.
		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should laugh.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		And they can go through a house and several of the elders and play any trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe Rodney should bring one of these people in since you've got them locally.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And also, don't stay afraid without them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it may have a lot of pent-up anger.
unidentified		Right.
		Especially with children.
		It may burn the house.
		And the other thing, then take your wife to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have her exercise too, huh?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Anyway, that's his best advice I can do, but I have actually seen petite women talking men's voices in some of these Pentecostal churches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No offense, but living right there in Fort Smith, with all you've told me about the hanging judge and all the rest of it, you believe Rodney.
unidentified		Oh, I believe Rodney.
		I'm at work right now, and I work about 200 yards from the graveyard.
		They buried most of them the people that were hanging.
		And it's just cold as everything in there, and the heater's on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		There's somebody right in your own hometown, Rodney.
		Certainly believes you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Tim in Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		This is one of the rare times when I have to disagree with art.
		I grew up in a household where my dad did exorcisms for, I don't know, 25, 30 years or so.
		Sure.
		And I believe this spirit can probably leave when it wants.
		And it's playing games with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not disagreeing with me.
		You're disagreeing with Rodney.
		Well, yes, you are, because I agreed with Rodney.
unidentified		I mean, I don't know if this is for real or not, but if it is, this is what I'm saying.
		I think it can probably leave when it wants.
		And the reason I say that is when he threw the cat in there, he could have entered the cat.
		And when he pulled the cat out, he could have been that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could suggest that that happened, but how would you account for the fact there remains, what, a seven-degree temperature difference?
unidentified		That's my point.
		I believe he's still there and he's playing games with him.
		I think he could have done that, but I think he wants, I mean, Spears love to do that.
		They love to, that's what they do.
		That's why witches can do what they want.
		A potion can't do anything.
		And so if he wanted that, he could have got out through the cat.
		Yeah, that's easy to think of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's probably true.
		I mean, a spirit could enter a cat, I think.
		But I'm no expert in these matters, so I don't know.
unidentified		And spirits like to pretend like you are in control and use that as leverage against you to do what they want in a spirit world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you, knowing that Everett's there, either voluntarily or not, would you sleep while caller?
unidentified		No, I wouldn't allow him to be there, number one.
unidentified		Why would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd serve up some sort of eviction notice.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		Had you you really should think about that, Rodney.
		In other words, Everett really could have jumped into your cat instead of causing your cat to jump.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And just well, but maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe Your Model 3200 ridpests are keep in other words, the spirit could not leave with those ridpests still operative.
unidentified		Even in the cat, right, but there's a chance he could have also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, except your temperature is still low.
		So obviously he didn't leave.
		He might be there voluntarily.
unidentified		Well, I'm sure he's there voluntarily.
unidentified		I'm just saying he could have if that's what he wished to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe you're going to try and get him to go, and he isn't going to go.
		I don't know about that one.
		In other words, you could turn off the rib pests and all the rest of it, and Everett would still be there forever.
unidentified		I think what we'll do is probably try to throw the switch on it sometime Sunday, and I'll let you know what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that'll be after your wife gets back.
unidentified		Yeah, she'll be home this Saturday morning.
		She'll be home Sunday morning.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Hello, this is Glenn in Bakersfield.
		Hi.
		Hi, I got a couple of comments on a really bad joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Do you want the bad joke first?
		No.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because that might get you blown off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'd be better if that happened at the end.
unidentified		Okay.
		I don't necessarily believe in ghosts, but I do believe in demons and angels, things like that.
		And from what he said so far, I would have to believe that since Rodney said that he'd stay if he wanted he would stay even after he turns it off, I'd have to guess that the ghost is probably, or the demon or whatever it is, is probably lying to him.
		And if he's lying to him, then it's not necessarily a good spirit.
		And if it's a bad spirit, then he's going to be in trouble when he turns it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an awfully good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an awfully good point.
unidentified		And he's also mentioned that he has some other cousins somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine how much bottled-up anger this thing must have?
unidentified		Yes, I wouldn't necessarily turn that off unless I had the father that was there with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point, Rodney.
		I really think it's a good point.
		This thing, I know if I was Everett, I'd be really ticked off at you.
		I might not say it because I'd keep hoping to charm you into letting me go.
		But I would have a lot of pent-up anger.
unidentified		Lots of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified		Okay, it's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, this is Joe from Nashville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Joe.
unidentified		I've got a few comments here about as far as those sound waves.
		Is that what's supposedly holding him in there?
		Yeah.
		What knows the bouncing off the walls and just going all through the room itself, you know, so the whole room would be saturated with those?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think they're directional.
		Those kind of waves clearly can be made to be directional.
		I think that's what he's done.
unidentified		And also on the thermometers, I don't know how accurate they are, but has he tried switching them, you know, placing the switching them out and seeing if the readings are the same or if they change, you know, back to where they are now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, for example, Rodney, have you tried putting another thermometer in there just to test the accuracy of that one, or have you tried taking that one out?
unidentified		No, I haven't.
		That's a good point.
		And something else you could do is switch them around.
		The one reading warmer, put on the inside and see if it goes cooler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, it's very important that you get a photograph of all this.
unidentified		I sure will.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		All right, Rodney.
		I've got a couple quick things for Rodney.
		One is, don't be too off.
		Some of these people are trying to scare you.
		Don't be too mad if he's angry at you.
		Just turn your rib pest back on him again.
		He'll run.
		I mean, you've got the weapon right there.
		I sure do.
		If he gets nasty, just turn it on him again.
		Uh-huh.
		And if he said he's not trapped, well, don't feel bad.
		He said he's not trapped.
		But I um you may even want to consider uh pulling out the old lead sport red button now and using that as a kind of telephone.
		Or you might want to just put a four sales front in front of the house.
		And while your wife's gone, pack up and let her know by phone.
		Leave her until you get the heck out of there.
		Don't take a sister, Rodney.
		You didn't mean him any harm.
		Right.
		And I think you can sense that.
		Yeah, and I could use that as a weapon.
		I didn't think of that.
		Oh, yeah, you've got the protection right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow I can see you, though, just wheeling around the room with one of the rib pests in your hand, trying to protect yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know about that.
unidentified		Yeah, I couldn't see what I was biting against.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I you know, I don't like that idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Yes, John, Pacifica, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		Yes, I have some information for you.
unidentified		I'm a metaphysical consultant for the last 30 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's the kind of guy you need, Rodney.
unidentified		All right.
		What you have trapped there is known by a number of different names.
		It's Luciferian, Gremlin.
		That's why they're causing all the plane crashes.
		What they are are astral beings that inhabit the etheric plane close to the physical plane.
		And they cause plane crashes.
		They cause car crashes.
		And a lot of house fires are happening lately, too, because they live off the life force that's given off of people that are killed suddenly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, does this sound like now?
		I've never heard of trapping one of these things this way.
		Does it sound logical that he could have done this?
unidentified		Well, the reason he's able to do it now, he wouldn't have been able to do it a year ago, is because the astral plane and the physical plane are now coming into alignment.
		They're merging.
		And a lot of the astral entities are being made more dense.
		They're densifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but I've got to ask again, the specific question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it sound logical to you that he could have trapped one of these things the way he has done it?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		He couldn't have done it.
		Like I said, he couldn't have done it a couple of years ago because the astral plane and the physical plane were too far apart.
		But now they're being brought together.
		It's like mentioned in Redfield's The Tenth Insight, where the afterlife world and the physical world are being brought together.
		Now, this is essential for bringing about the new age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, look, that's getting pretty deep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does he do with this thing?
unidentified		Keep it locked up.
		Keep it there.
		Don't turn off the switch because the thing that's going to destroy this thing and its cousins, as it refers to, are other demons.
		They're very dangerous.
		It's the photon belt.
		The intensity of the photon belt, the light energy, the spiritual forces coming through the photon belt will destroy all these entities.
		If he lets it go, chances are he'll either die in a car wreck or his house will burn down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		These are the entities that hover close to the earth.
		They're seen by psychic entities.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we've got the message.
		Thank you very much.
		Rodney, now what?
		I mean, there's expert advice.
		Let it go.
		You'll die in a car crash or your house will burn down.
unidentified		That's a tough decision there, Hart.
unidentified		But I think I'd take my chances of letting it go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		With the kids in the house?
		I'd get the kids out of there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Is this the Art Bell Shall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hey, I hope Rodney's got his insurance policy well paid for.
		Yep.
		I'm listening to the through you through WTDM here in Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Apparently the call signals stand for We Two Dumb Yuppies.
unidentified		But anyway, we got some concerns here because I don't know if Rodney's been nipping into his bottled spirits or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's ask him that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rodney, have you been doing any controlled substances?
unidentified		Not any since last New Year's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last New Year's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about the bottle?
unidentified		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Haven't been tipping the bottle.
unidentified		Not a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you'd swear on anything available, this is all true.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go, Caller.
unidentified		I got another question, sir.
		Yes.
		As you probably know, in Scandinavia, they are the world leaders in cold-temperature electronics.
		And they analyze brainwaves from people's brains.
		They don't freeze the people, but they actually, through cold temperature, can measure these brain waves.
		And I have a physicist electronics friend of mine who allegesly claims that they trapped not one, but three, three spirits accidentally, and that they are from Sidonia.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arizona?
unidentified		No, Sidonia.
		Sidonia are, Homer mentions them.
		They're the Phoenicians.
		And Homer mentions the Phineas.
		We call them the Phoenicians.
		So 1,700 years before the time of Christ, they appeared in the Near East where Sidon Tyre is.
		They gave us the alphabet.
		Nobody knows where they came from.
		What did they do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, they got them trapped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they do with them?
unidentified		Well, here's the situation now.
		It's very interesting.
		Now, this engineer alleges this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, Caller, I've got a break I've got to go to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to hold on?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on, please, Rodney.
		Hang in there.
		We'll be right back.
		Rodney has trapped Everett in a series of Ridpest 3200, Model 3200 bug things, pest things, and he's got Everett.
		We're trying to figure out what to do.
		All right, here we go again.
		We have Rodney from Arkansas.
		If you're just joining us, Rodney has trapped Everett, who is a spirit, in a sort of a lash-up made up of a number, quite a number, of Ridpest 3200s.
		He confirms that Everett is indeed in there because the temperature has maintained about a seven-degree difference with the rest of the room.
		And it has done this since Everett has been trapped.
		Everett was trapped about 30 hours ago now.
		And so, Rodney, there you are.
		And, Caller, you're back on the air.
unidentified		Yes, I have two serious questions to ask of Rodney, but before I ask them, and I hope he's honest when he answers them, I must continue on just for a minute about the Sidoni.
		They are the Phoenicians.
		Homer called them the Phoenicians, but he mentioned that they themselves have a name for themselves, the Sidoni.
		And you have been talking about Sidonia on your shows every now and then.
		It's very interesting.
		In any event, they are apparently a very intelligent tribe that came up with our alphabet.
		About 1,700 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, but that may or may not relate to what.
unidentified		Well, anyway, they are apparently aware of blonde white people.
		They're related to the Finno-Euralic people.
		But my question now is: this engineer alleges they did actually get a picture of these three spirits.
		Cool.
		Now, Rodney must do the following.
		But first, does Rodney have any stock or is he a CEO of this red test company?
		And, two, can he take a picture through a night vision scope because that way you can pick up some temperature differences?
		Oh, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good suggestion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, do you have stock in, or are you part of the RIDPest company, Rodney?
unidentified		Neither one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Neither one.
unidentified		No, I'm a factory worker, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's your answer.
unidentified		Okay, what about taking a picture through that night scope?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a night scope?
unidentified		I have no night scope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't have a night scope.
unidentified		Well, you better get that picture and then send that to Art Bell right away so we can get it and get it take a good look.
		Otherwise, Rodney, I think you're the fellow who's talking that rolled-up dog poopy, and you better go out and get yourself another phone.
		Right, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		All right, now I've got several pieces of advice by fax.
		My fax machine is going absolutely crackers here.
		Art, what are some things that Everett has predicted?
		Aside from the air disaster, which we've already documented for you, is true.
		What else did he predict?
unidentified		Okay, I told you earlier in the show that there was two more questions since the email that I've sent you.
		And it wasn't really a question.
		It was a statement.
		He said that within two weeks, we would find ancient records.
		And I have no idea what this is about.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's one.
unidentified		And the other one was what I did tell you at the time was that we could turn off the contraption and it's cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He'd stay.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear Art, I suggest Rodney apologize to Everett.
		Really apologize.
		What the caller said about violating cosmic laws makes good sense.
		I believe there's a greater law we must abide by, and Rodney is seriously breaking it.
		He should let Everett go from Hawaii.
unidentified		Well, I'm seriously considering that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And then this.
		Rodney had better be praying that he does not suffer a power outage.
unidentified		You know, the last point just a minute ago, it wasn't a power outage, but I guess the heat kicked on or something.
		It kind of threw my heart in the overdraft.
		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just drew the power down a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every time the power blinks or something, you must really, your heart must increase.
unidentified		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Jason.
unidentified		I'm in L.A.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jason.
unidentified		And the thing I wanted to comment is that that type of pest control thing that you're using, Rodney, that thing, if you look on the directions, which on all those types of things are, they only work on insects and small rodents.
		So being that your cat is not a rodent, it's not going to affect it the way with what you're saying that happened is not really going to happen if being that your cat's not a rodent.
		In short, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're suggesting the reaction to the cat had nothing to do with the RID pest last show.
unidentified		Exactly, because if you notice, if you look at any of these mechanisms that do this, it'll say on the box, save for household pests.
		That's absolutely right.
		I remember that.
		And the other thing is that as far as the picture goes, this guy that just called before talking about this night vision camera or whatever this crap that he's talking about, what the thing is, is if you notice, whenever you watch sightings or any of these other shows, when people take pictures of families outside of the house, and I'll notice a figure that's in the window that wasn't there.
		There was no one in the house.
		Everyone was outside.
		These were done with regular standard cameras that you buy at the store.
		So if you had a normal, like it's one of those new $25 Polaroids, those M-timatic cameras, or a normal type 35-millimeter camera, if there is such an entity in there, you're going to see it on that average camera, which again, to emphasize it's what everyone sees these things with, with these average cameras.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what kind of camera do you have, Rodney?
unidentified		An Alto 35mm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be good color?
unidentified		There you go.
		And also another thing is on sightings, I want to make this real brief, that if you take a video camera, and again, this works the same thing as with the snapshot type cameras.
		If you take a video camera and you film the area where it's at, obviously you're not going to see anything because, as they say, naked eye cannot see these types of things.
		But if you videotape it and you go back and play the videotape in your VCR, if there's something in the picture in the snapshot, you're going to conceivably see it also on the videotape.
		All right.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we appreciate the advice.
		Thank you very much, Rodney.
		Rodney, turn off the power.
unidentified		I'll be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hi, Arpell.
		This is Mike.
		I'm calling from Emsville, Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm.
unidentified		I've listened to your show for about, oh, maybe a month now, not quite a month.
		Great show, by the way.
		Fascinating.
		I was going to tell Rodney one thing that I have what's called a pest rate of three.
		I have five of them in my house because we live in a low-lying area, and we have pests, you know, we did have constantly until I got these in.
		They work great.
		Mine sent them out in two directions, and they don't go through walls or anything like that.
		They do bounce around.
		And according to, I've got my manual out here, and it says it's safe on pests.
		We've got a little kitten named Pockets in here, and it has had no effect on it.
		My question was, has he tried using a digital camera?
		We just got a digital camera recently, and I've been taking pictures like crazy.
		And on our printout, all of the kids have these little fuzzy strains.
		It sounds stupid, but they have these little fuzzy things around them.
		I guess what you'd call auras or something.
		We took it to the shop to get fixed because obviously there's something wrong with it.
		And they said there's absolutely nothing wrong with this thing.
		It doesn't do it on everybody.
		But I was thinking if by some really bizarre thing that might be an aura, maybe he might try using a digital camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A digital camera.
		All right.
		Well, that's a good suggestion.
		Boy, we've had many.
		After listening to all the callers, it's like being between a rock and a hard place on this because half of them say you should set it free, and the other half say, don't.
		You'll die in a car crash or your house will burn down or something.
		Which way are you leaning?
unidentified		It's going to take some thought, but I'm leaning towards setting it free.
unidentified		If that was me that had been captured in a future life or in the other world, I wouldn't like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		But think about it.
		You might be angry, even vengeful, once you got free.
		Tough choice.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Poker David Mason.
		It's been a while.
		Yes, sir.
		Got one comment from your earlier show.
		The New York Blood Center is now under grand jury investigation regarding some of their testing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
unidentified		And now to Rodney.
		Regards to Dr. Father Malachi Martin, you might consider, I don't think you'll be possessed, but I think maybe Everett will be harassing you when you let him go.
		So when you do turn off the power, you might want to set up another array that's big enough where you can jump in because I don't think Everett would follow you back in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		You're right, caller.
		In other words, he could be possessed.
		Don't discount that possibility.
		If I was Rodney, I think when I turned off the power, I'd get the kids and the wife out.
		And then I'd go to the main switch box, hopefully outside the house, and turn the power off there.
unidentified		Yeah, but he might want that power back on so that the spirit or entity wouldn't pass through the barrier to get to Rodney.
		Well, I couldn't live there the rest of my life.
		Oh, no, no, but bring in and tell your phone and give Father Martin a call and get her exercise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get something done on the phone, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that could be done.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Arch.
		This is Steve from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Steve.
unidentified		And I would just like to make a couple of statements real quick.
		First of all, you can manipulate air temperature with sound waves.
		There's even a refrigerator you can buy that uses sound waves to make your food cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		The Japanese invented it maybe 10 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think that's why the air might be getting cold?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Here's a good way to check it.
		Before you ever trapped this thing, have turned the power on, that is, did you have the thermostat there when your wife was channeling this thing in?
unidentified		No, because we didn't realize that it was cold at the time.
unidentified		Until she said that it was cold in that area, we never thought there'd be a need to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm asking is, did she sense that before you turned the power on?
unidentified		No.
		No.
		And also, I'd like to say, you have a unique opportunity here because there have been recordings of spirits on tape recorders using microphones and stuff.
		Right now, if he's close enough to this apparatus, if he can simply flip the phone receiver in there, if this entity wants to communicate, we can do it nationwide right now.
		You want me to try that?
		Yeah.
		And you have to get the cordless.
		Can you hang on just a minute?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a cordless on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would mean you'd, let's see, you'd have to throw the cordless phone in there, wouldn't you?
unidentified		No, I'll just put it up close.
unidentified		Now, is that what the caller was asking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess so.
		I guess so.
		I don't know if you'd have to cross the barrier or not.
unidentified		Well, I'm not going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not going to actually throw the cordless phone in as you did the cat.
unidentified		No.
		Right?
		Yeah.
		There's an idea.
		I'll get my wife to retrieve it when she gets back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but wait, no, no, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll be on when you throw it in.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		So, hmm.
		Go ahead and get your cordless.
		Let's try this right.
		This is worth a try.
		This can get close.
		I don't know if I'm going to have him throw it in there or not, because then his line would be busy.
		I suppose he could turn the bass unit off after that.
		That ought to be a way.
		Find out where the base unit is.
		Are you there?
unidentified		I'm there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, listen.
unidentified		This man.
		And Harry.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, listen, here's a way you can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is your base unit located?
unidentified		My base unit's about 20 feet from the area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now what I'm suggesting is if you do, we'll try holding it up and then we'll try throwing it in.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once it's in there, as long as your base unit is on, it's going to hang your phone line up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what you can do is throw it in in the on position, and then when you're done with the experiment, you can unplug your base unit.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that'll free your line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see what I'm saying?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so let's give it a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get close first.
unidentified		Okay, I'm on the cordless now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		We're just going to hold it up next to it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll hold it up next to it.
		I'll turn the volume up.
		We'll see if we can hear anything.
		I hear absolutely nothing.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but of course, you don't ever hear anything either, do you?
unidentified		Ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's what we've got to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Rodney, now, I want you to throw the phone in there, but after you do it, we're going to listen for, well, I don't know, a few seconds and see if we can hear anything.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then I want you to go get on the other phone and leave the cordless going so if there's anything that's said during the last few minutes of the program, we'll hear it.
		You see what I'm saying?
		All right, so go ahead and throw the cordless in.
		It's there and operating inside the field.
unidentified		Yeah, I suppose it's operating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have no way of knowing if it's working, but I didn't hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I heard it disconnect, so I presume it's still on.
unidentified		Right.
		The bass looks like it is.
		The bass lights up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The base is receiving.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then it's on inside the field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, whatever you do, don't go and retrieve it.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll just listen as we take the last few calls here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		Hello.
		All right.
		How in the world are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're listening.
unidentified		Interesting.
		Interesting.
		Yeah.
		Ken, this is Ken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Ken?
unidentified		Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Arkansas.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm in Eldorado.
		Oh.
		How are you doing, Rodney?
		Just fine, yeah?
		You're holding up?
		All right, huh?
		Hey, I do have one suggestion, and that is this.
		Because of the creative power that we have in us, in other words, there's a direct connection with God in your being, pretty much whatever you believe about this being, whether good, evil, whatever, it's going to react to you the same way, to respond to you the same way.
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unidentified		In other words, you can make a connection, and it's either good or evil, depending on your state of being.
		Does that make sense?
		Yeah, it does.
		So there's really nothing to fear except yourself.
		Right.
		Okay?
		Fear of the unknown.
		Yeah, that's exactly right.
		All right.
		This is just a manifestation that is similar to you.
		You're a spirit being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what would you say if he flipped the switch and tomorrow you read in the paper there in Arkansas about Rodney's house burning down?
unidentified		Well, I'd come up and help him.
		I sure would.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Rodney.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		Art calling from the other side of the Spring Mountains on a V-TAC.
		I just want to let this Rodney know that this doesn't happen to everybody, and he really should hold on to it and speak to a professional or bring a fashion on in there because you just don't let this thing go.
		I know eventually during his lifetime or during the next couple of weeks, if he wants to make himself feel a little better, he should let it go on his own.
		You know, it's going to go sometime, don't you agree?
		It will escape eventually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		don't know.
		It depends on whether it's telling the truth about being there voluntarily, which I don't think it is.
		I think it's lying its little spirit butt off.
unidentified		Well, with Everett, where did the name originate anyway?
		I never got that.
		Oh, okay.
		Well, you don't know?
		I have no idea.
		You just named it Everett.
		No, I didn't name it at all.
		Now, when my wife contacted it, she asked him what its name was or what to call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it said Everett.
unidentified		Right.
		Don't you think Everett will take it easy on you a little bit if you do let it go, say, in about a week or two?
		Or until you get somebody to help you out if I kept him for a year.
		But he might be a little ticked off that I've kept him for 30 hours now.
		Well, I really believe if you let him go, say, in about a day or two, he really, like the other caller said, I think he might be playing games with you, and he probably couldn't leave at any time.
		But Art, I used to hear, listen to you in Cleveland, and I enjoy out here in Vegas.
		All right, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Have a good morning.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Good morning, Art, and good morning, Rodney.
		Good morning.
		Rodney, I think what you've done is super fantastic.
		And if you're joking with all of us out here in the world, have fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he is.
unidentified		Well, I don't either, or I wouldn't call you Art.
unidentified		This is Ron here in Perump, but if you remember right, on Halloween night, I gave you a call and I told your story up and spoke out and spoke to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely recall that.
unidentified		All right.
		Rodney, did you happen to be listening to that?
		No, I didn't.
		Well, I come across an entity that I spoke with and spoke with him telepathically.
		I don't believe you're in any fear of all of any problems.
		I think if something's going to hurt you, it's going to hurt you right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not if it's trapped in the RIDPES 3200s.
unidentified		Well, I agree with you, Art, on that fact, but if it is trapped, he's just in a situation that he wants out of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, well, that's for doggone, sure.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, without a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Rodney in Arkansas.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I'm Dave from Fort Lauderdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		We lose you here at 6 a.m., so I haven't been able to listen for the last hour.
unidentified		I'm not sure what's been coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got Rodney on.
unidentified		Yeah, I realize that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who's got Everett, sort of?
unidentified		Yes, I know that.
unidentified		I was wondering if it was mentioned before that it might be possible that he has a gray in his possession.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is an ominous sign.
unidentified		Yeah, I thought about that whenever you said something about that picture.
		That hasn't brought up before?
		Well, I've been receiving kind of a sense of affirmation over the last several years about topics like this.
		And if it were me, I think I would just ask for some kind of assistance and guidance and see what happens from there.
		Maybe it might be a good idea to see if you can summon some positive forces.
		I'm not sure what to do about it myself, but that's my suggestion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		We're about out of time here.
		And Rodney, I'm really afraid I'm not going to give you any advice because it might be the wrong advice.
		I really sense that you're between very much a rock and a hard place here.
		I'm not at all sure it would be safe for you to release it, and I'm not sure it's safe for you to keep it.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
unidentified		That's the clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clock, okay, good.
unidentified		It's 6 o'clock here, or close to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
		That's right.
		You're a couple hours ahead, aren't you?
		A couple hours and apparently about four minutes.
		You need to reset your clock.
		So I don't have any advice for you.
		I think, Rodney, that you should not let it go at the very least until your wife gets home.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you don't know a lot about this, do you?
unidentified		No, I don't.
		And as another caller from Fort Smith said, we've got people here in the area that can handle that.
		I may look locally for help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Look, the audience will want a follow-up.
		So whatever it is you decide to do, and I put no pressure on you to do anything, would you email me or fax me so I know and the audience knows you're safe and let us know what the disposition of Everett has been.
unidentified		Yeah, I will, and I'll send you that picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to it.
		We all will.
		It's quite a dilemma.
		Good luck to you, Rodney.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Well, all right, for copies of the show with Rodney and Everett, or for copies of the show with Dr. Len Horowitz, call 1-800-917-4278.
		I swear, I think he's related to Mike Markham.
		Maybe not.
		1-800-917-4278.
		That's it from the high desert.

Chapters

00:00:26 Call Art Bell
00:05:22 Wave of Escape
00:19:26 Facing the Unknown Dome
00:24:20 Gotcha to the Barrier Point
00:28:38 Caller's Mystery
00:37:42 Confirming Rodney's Story
00:41:04 Penny's Theory
00:56:31 Cordless Mystery
01:11:58 Fear of the Unknown