Father Malachi Martin, ex-Jesuit priest and Vatican advisor, reveals demonic possession thrives through generational pacts—800% more U.S. cases since 1975—with demons exploiting ambition via consensual deals, often hidden from outsiders. Exorcisms demand bishop-granted authority, risk physical strain (including deaths), and require spiritual sacrifice; Martin warns against unqualified practitioners like Ouija users or remote viewers, tied to Nazi/Soviet mind-control experiments. Possession isn’t random but linked to urban instability, with leaders and families vulnerable, though some revelations remain undisclosed due to blasphemy or racial content. He dismisses modern clergy’s skepticism of hell as a root cause of moral decline, stressing possession is always tied to human consent, even if masked by addiction or paranormal phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
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Dr. Malachi Mark.
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to it in a moment.
The End Dr. Malachi Martin, ex-Jesuit, former exorcist, and one-time advisor to three popes, is currently a best-selling author.
As a premier investigator of clandestine politics and unlikely alliances of popes and cardinals, his novels offer rare insights into the men who guide nearly a billion people in faith and broker the destinies of countries and continents.
As a member of the Vatican Intelligence Network, I didn't know they had one, under Pope John XXIII, Martin helped extend the church into Iron Curtain countries in 1964.
Concerned about the corrupting influences of power, Martin was released from his vows of poverty and obedience after 25 years as a Jesuit.
He left Rome for New York, where he did odd jobs until a Guggenheim fellowship enabled him to write his first bestseller, Hostage to the Devil.
It was followed by the final conclave, Vatican, three popes, and the Cardinal, the Keys of this Blood, the Jesuits, and apparently many others.
He's a very prolific author.
To give you some idea of how he is reviewed, Forbes magazine said, no spiritual journey is complete without a Vatican Page Turner by Malachi Martin.
Sacramento Bee said, it is to Martin's credit that his real-life fictional cardinals have flesh, blood, and bone, sometimes the heart of a South Chicago ward healer.
The Dallas Morning News said, in biblical times they would have called him a prophet.
Publishers Weekly said, it is impossible not to be impressed with Martin's profound knowledge of men, issues, and history.
I could go on and on and on and on.
For 30 years, as a Catholic priest, Dr. Martin did exorcisms.
So from New York City, staying up late, here is Dr. Malachi Martin.
And it did touch on a chord the existence of a demon which could, on occasion, inhabit the body of some other human, of some human being.
I think that might be the element.
It was set also.
That particular picture was set in Washington, real lifetime Washington, you know.
And you have real live-looking characters undergoing these horrible contortions and distortions.
So I suppose it did.
The fact is, Art, the fact is that at the back of our consciousness, at the back of our consciousness, at least in, I was going to say in the West, but then I know it's the same in India, it's the same in China, it's the same in Japan and in Latin America.
At the back of our consciousness, there's always a fear of the evil one.
You see, the mythology or the legend or the doctrine or the teaching, whichever you want to regard it as, it holds that there is a major evil spirit called Lucifer and there is another one called Satan.
And they are accompanied by or they are among many, many smaller demons.
And these do attack and possess human beings in their will and their intellect.
That's the general sort of picture you get from books and studies and doctrine and teaching about the devil and about evil.
And I think what I was saying was that I think at the edge of our consciousness there's always a fear that perhaps indeed there is such a thing if we don't believe it.
We Catholics do hold it and Christians in general do hold it, but there's a consciousness there's some evil spirit at work.
It could be in our world and we're afraid of it and that it can, according to the belief in many parts of the world and in many parts of history of man, there is the possibility of being possessed, of one's body being dominated by such an evil spirit and used for nefarious ends.
The teaching is that once upon a time, God envisaged the world inhabited by men and women and served by angels.
But when Lucifer and Satan and the other demons, then angels, were asked to collaborate and cooperate and serve human beings, especially one particular human being who would be God, namely Christ Jesus of Nazareth, they said, no, we are angels.
I've done thousands of minor exorcisms and about a couple of hundred major ones.
Major ones in duration and in intensity are difficult, very difficult.
And they're far fewer than the thousands of exorcisms you do every year.
Exorcisms against various ailments like, for instance, persecution complex, where you're really being obsessed by a devil or a demon or alcoholism or, as is the human ills, the list is enormous.
Now, I first of all came across it in Cairo.
That was the first time that I assisted at an exorcism.
I originally started off as an archaeologist, and I was an expert in handwriting, ancient handwriting, about the time of Abraham.
That's about 1700 BC.
That's about, what, 3,000-something years ago.
But I was roped in one evening because an exorcism which was taking place in the poorer quarter of Cairo, the assistant to the exorcist, there's always an exorcist and an assistant, the assistant had fallen ill, and I was asked to substitute.
All right, so somebody comes to the church authorities and saying, look, my uncle, my brother, my wife, my sister, whatever it is, They are showing very funny signs and usually in every good, well-run diocese, there's an exorcist that is a priest appointed by the local bishop to deal with this.
So the first thing you do is examine them, get them examined by a doctor, and find out are they physically sound?
There are ailments like latorette syndrome or Huntington's chorea or a simple tumor in the brain which produces phenomena, produces events in a person's life that look very like possession but are not.
So you must first of all satisfy yourself that there's nothing physical, no physical basis.
Then one or two expert psychiatrists, usually people who don't believe in God, by the way, because they're skeptical, must tackle you and find out, are you just plain loony or is there something they don't understand?
And they come back with a report saying, well, the pattern is normal, we can't explain it.
Then the church authorities generally say, okay, let's try exorcism.
And in the first 20 minutes, believe you me, in the first 20 minutes, everybody at an exorcism knows, at an exorcism ceremony, knows whether it's genuine or not.
Now, you see, there's a distinction between possession and obsession.
Obsession is where somebody is being bothered continually by, for instance, cases I have in hand in the present moment of people who are bothered continually by appearances of animals with human faces bothering them or pressures on them at night when they want to go to sleep.
And funny faces and funny things happening to them.
And you finally, when you rationalize it all and had the person examined physically and mentally, you come to the conclusion there are objective events taking place and they are being bothered and obsessed by a demon and then you set about chasing that demon away.
My question was going to be, how many people who thought they were possessed were diagnosed, in your opinion, incorrectly by psychiatrists who might tend to, because of their own prejudice, want to claim this apparent malady as their own territory?
So how many never made it to you because they were incorrectly diagnosed?
A very great number, especially when we come down to a thing called MPDs.
It's an abbreviation used by psychiatrists for multiple personality disorders.
That is, you know, say, let's take the name Hilda, and Hilda says that she becomes Mary in certain occasions, then she becomes Joan on other occasions, and she becomes Geraldine on third occasion, you know.
Multiple personality disorder.
And for a long time, MPDs were simply analyzed as MPDs.
And then, under certain circumstances, they began to find out that it was much more than that.
It was a case of demonic possession.
And that has to be very carefully distinguished because you can make a dreadful mistake and think a true MPD is possessed, or vice versa, that a person really possessed is an MPD.
And nobody, you see, this is a very dirty, unhealthy, inhuman, insalubrious, wicked, and unnatural process and event.
And nobody should touch it with a barge pole except somebody trained.
And even then, to be very careful, because it's highly dangerous.
For instance, if you start any nonsense, real exorcism, and a lot of people don't know the difference between that and therapy, the difference between that and prayer, healing prayer, deliverance prayer, as they call it.
But if you start something like that and don't finish it, you're going to have trouble for the rest of your life.
There is, in Scripture and in tradition, and by the way, I'm a Roman Catholic, so I'm not sort of dependent on the Bible as Protestants are, and that's their choice.
But there is a thing called the mystery of iniquity.
It's a very constant teaching of the Bible and of religious men and women.
And it's this, that evil is allowed from time to time to so dull the senses of men and women and to so disturb the equilibrium of their minds that they do crazy, real crazy, mad, bad things.
And here is the point that gives me a chill.
I'm 76 and I noticed that in the last 20, 25 years of my life, the incidence of such disequilibrium, the incidents of that seem to be much more frequent than when I was younger.
Much more young, there are much more shocking things happen, and it's not that we gain to know them.
No, no, no.
The world was connected at that time.
Communications were flawed when I was young, say when I was 25 or when I was 20, but all the news got around, but we never heard such a plethora of shocking, unbelievably violent, unnatural happenings to ordinary people.
So the mystery of iniquity seems to be pressuring.
And the idea in the teaching about the mystery of iniquity is that there is a darkness, a mental darkness, that closes in and makes ordinary people do the most extraordinary and shocking things.
From the north-central part of the United States across to Vermont to Montreal, even in Japan now, deformed frogs with four to six legs, as you pointed out, eyes in throats, missing eyes, and I could go on and on.
Well, and then, by the way, we should also add things we are not told in public.
The deformed babies that are born in a section of Europe which is also covered by the Chernobyl explosion, but also simply happening, deformations of adults as well as children.
I'm firmly convinced from the evidence that, and the evidence by reputable scientists, these are not crackpots.
They're men who have engaged in Nobel prize activities in chemistry and in physiology and economics.
And they can point out the effect of radiation on the human frame, especially on those parts of the brain that deal with moral and ethical judgment.
And it's a bit frightening because it means that the rise in criminality, the distinct rise in criminality, recidivism, constant crime doing, and horrible crimes with no reason at all but simply cruelty, is some deformation of nature in itself.
And I'm afraid it's on the increase, not on the decrease.
Well, I guess I meant before you or somebody like yourself has met up with this possessed individual, as the process of takeover is underway, is it a fight between the person's personal will and the demon intending to possess?
Usually the tendency or the attempt to possess is through deception.
For instance, we have, in the northeast corner of America, since 1975, we've had a huge increase in the following type of possession.
A young man, say 30-something, 40-something, a young woman, will come and say, look, when I was in college, when I was studying, when I took up residence as a doctor or a lawyer, whoever it was, I made a pact with the devil.
I needed money.
I needed a position.
And I asked him to help me, and he did, but he took over my will and my mind.
Now I want to get rid of it.
How do I get rid of it?
Well, we have an increase in that phenomenon, which I never thought we had.
Some of them don't even believe in God.
Some of them are Jewish, some of them are Buddhist, some of them are Christian.
When you find somebody, you know the typical things of somebody throwing themselves on the ground or cursing and spitting and protesting and executing, urinating and all sorts of protests.
What they're doing is protesting, saying, help me.
Doctor, how frequently do you think psychiatrists who are treating patients, or what percentage of their patients, might indeed, instead of suffering psychiatric problems, be suffering some form of power?
When you have done your job, and when we come back from the top of the arrow, we'll talk about what an actual exorcism is like, I guess I want to know.
But when you have done your job and it's all over and the demon leaves, where does that demon go?
And that's why in the Gospels, for instance, you have the evil spirit saying to Jesus, no, no, don't send us back to hell.
Send us into these pigs.
Do you remember the swine of Gerasene?
And they rushed over the precipice into the water and drowned themselves.
They could possess something that was a sort of relief, a temporary relief in not being condemned purely and simply to suffer in hell.
And therefore they want something to inhabit.
And Christ himself said that, and St. Paul says, and St. Peter, and lots of things in the New Testament say that the devil goes around seeking whom he may devour, like a lion, whom he may possess.
And I must tell you that the increase, the enormous increase, is about 800% over what it used to be in our small areas, because it's only a small area we do, the northeast corner.
And it is a huge increase.
And here's one more thing to say, Art, which may sort of provoke a whole series of questions.
Possession of the real diabolic kind is generational.
And it's a dreadful thing when somebody comes in with perfectly respectable, good, normal American families, and they have reared their children to be Satanists and to accept possession.
And they would, unless they're stopped, unless they stopped themselves, pass it on to their children.
All right, let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Malachi Martin.
For those of you who just joined, Malachi Martin ex-Jesuit, former exorcist, one-time advisor to three popes, presently a best-selling author, as a premier investigator of clandestine politics, unlikely alliances of popes and cardinals.
His novels offer rare insights into the men who guide nearly a billion people in faith and broker the destinies of countries and continents.
As a member of the Vatican Intelligence Network under Pope John XXIII, Martin helped extend the church into Iron Curtain countries.
In 1964, concerned about the corrupting influences of power, Martin was released from his vows of poverty and obedience after 25 years as a Jesuit.
He left Rome for New York, where he did odd jobs until a Guggenheim Fellowship enabled him to write his first bestseller, Hostage to the Devil.
It was followed by the final conclave, Vatican, three popes and the cardinal, the keys of this blood, the Jesuits, and many, many more.
Born, by the way, in Kerry, Ireland, in 1921.
He has done many, many exorcisms, and that is generally what we're talking about right now.
And possession, I'm trying to understand possession.
And we left off last hour talking about the fact that it apparently is generational, Doctor, generational possession.
It's not that possession is passed on with famine, passed on with genes.
No, no, no.
It's that the same demon inhabits the members of the same family For generations.
Consentingly, consensually.
He is nourished by them and kept by them and satisfied with them.
The children are trained in it and they perpetuate it in their children.
It has gone on for generations.
It's generational.
And sometimes unwillingly, we have cases in hand, for instance, of daughters to whom their mother attached her familiar, her evil spirit, and then we have the job of ridding them of that.
And it takes time, and it's painful and anguishing.
Most of them are specialized in one thing and one thing only.
And that's all they can do.
And it's a reflection of some gift as angels which they had, now distorted as demons.
And in these matters, as in everything connected with it, go to the experts.
Don't try and do it yourself.
And then do not.
There's a big confusion out which we should clear up for everybody, and it's this.
There are many healers and deliverance experts, and many people will undergo lengthy prayers and incensings and various ceremonies.
But the truth is this, the horrible truth is this, that if there is a demon in your life and he dictates your behavior at least in one province of life, in one area of life, he can only be expelled by direct confrontation by somebody with authority to expel him.
When I say him, of course, spirits have no sex.
They're not male or female.
I just use him in the generic sense of the English word.
But it's the confrontation.
It's not a prayer.
Chief is a prayer to be very simple to get rid of.
Right, this is something I want to ask about, if I might for a moment, Doctor.
I had a call a couple of weeks ago from a woman who said that she had been in bed, believe this, with her children one night, and she was attacked, doctor, attacked by some sort of demon or spirit that was actually waiting upon her, actually trying to sodomize and rape her.
And she was unable to speak, unable to move, unable to utter anything.
And in the middle of this attack, the phone rang, the answering machine came on, somebody's voice began speaking, and whatever it was left.
Now, she said that the only way this thing would leave, and she had been attacked many times, was if she audibilized some sort of something.
And she said, I sat there and I prayed and I asked God to cast off whatever this was, and it would not go.
And my question was, and I pondered after the call, it was a very serious, very scary call, and I pondered afterwards, if God hears our prayers, those cast silently forward, then why would God not hear a silent plea, a scream, as it were, why must something like this be audibilized?
There are mysteries about this entire situation to which we have no answer.
But there are laws, he has set up laws governing the existence of man and woman, and one of them is that audibilizing something does make a difference.
And it can be as simple as this, that the attention that a demon requires of the possessed person, or the person they're going to violate, can be, that position can be distracted.
Their will can be diverted, their mind can be diverted from being, as it were, hypnotized, being held, by some audible voice message from another normal human being.
And God knows what grace of God that voice brings with them.
But that it does happen, that audibilization does have an influence, there's no doubt about it.
And you know, Art, the biggest problem is who is possessible.
And people are always asking me, am I liable to be possessed?
And we have tried to create a profile of the possessible person, but we have found that neither sex, nor education, nor color, nor race, nor education, nor riches, nor poverty, nothing makes a difference.
Apparently, to our mind, it's random.
Random choice.
I know very naughty people who are not a bit possessed, but just very independent women.
And then I know people who are not naughty at all, but lapse in one thing, and they do undergo possession.
Knowing the nature of humans, if somebody has made, in effect, a pact with the devil, is it not more likely that those cases of possession would more frequently than not be the rich, the powerful, those who have attained great material success or wealth?
So the pact could be something as simple as the wanting or the wishing of a mate or the attention of somebody of the opposite sex or even the tried to get married.
And an exorcist could say about that, it was obvious that they were used as obstacles, they were used by Satan to possess her will and make her commit the grievous sin of matricide.
Because she was convicted of that anyway, so I'm not accusing her of anything that she's not convicted of.
But that would be read by an exorcist as a typical example of possession of the will of somebody to commit a very evil act just for the sake of doing evil, because that's the whole point of the demon, to do evil for the sake of evil.
Speaking for the layman, there are many people walking around listening right now who are no doubt scared to death because at one time or another in their life, they have probably, in a moment of despair or a moment of need, said, I'd make a pact with the devil if I could just have so-and-so.
And they're probably thinking at this moment there's a pretty good chance they may be possessed.
You may wish all day and all night for the devil to come and sign a pact with you, as it were, a Faustian thing, principle, like Mephistopheles in the play of Goethe.
But it can't happen without your knowing it and without you willing it fully, finally fully, bit by bit by bit, so that you needn't be afraid that you're possessed and you don't know it.
Well, are there not, though, no doubt, many people who have achieved success or achieved that goal for which they made that dark wish that dark moment, and they certainly must wonder.
As you know, in the last 25 or 30 years, belief in the devil, belief in evil incarnate, in an evil spirit, belief in hell, belief in the demons, the existence, and the activity, say, of Lucifer and of Satan.
They're distinct demons, by the way.
People often confuse them, but they're distinct demons.
Belief in that has flagged, has got very weak.
And the result is that when we started doing a lot of exorcisms here in the northeast corner of America in the 1970s, we finally had to go to Rome and ask permission because the local bishops, some of them didn't believe.
So we went to Rome and said, look, these people, we need authority, because by the way, nobody can do an exorcism without being given authority.
And it must be a bishop gives authority.
So we had to go and get special permission from Rome to do it because we couldn't get it here.
Now, some bishops do believe, some bishops don't believe, some priests do believe, some priests don't believe.
Most of them want to have nothing to do with it.
They know little and they want to know less.
And some bishops, some cardinals we know, say, look, don't bother me.
You have all the authority you want, but don't tell me a thing about it.
Because if you have to take into account that so-and-so, this political leader, this particular borough leader, this particular CEO is possessed, it does complicate life, Arthur.
It does complicate life.
If a big surgeon, a big psychiatrist, is by way of demonically possessed, it makes a huge difference.
No, except unless in exceptional cases, you have children born and quickly developing at the age of four, five, with a will as strong as a person of 25, really.
And they can undergo possession, but it's rare.
It's very rare.
They can be harassed and obsessed.
And that's usually generationally, on account of the parents, on account of an aunt, on account of an uncle.
It's a murky story and has never been written up properly, mainly because, well, it concerns family genealogies, you know, and it's hard to write that up and get it published, and then what's the point?
But you come across generational possession and harassment, possession too, in such families, such old, old families, whether they're Dutch Reformed or whether they're Puritan or whatever.
And I was a young priest, and I was an archaeologist.
I was lying on my belly, on my back, in caves on the Sinai Peninsula, copying inscriptions, inscriptions dating from about the time of Abraham, about 1600 or 1700 B.C. That's about, what, 3,000 years ago, more than 3,000 years ago.
And exorcism was going on, and I didn't know it.
When I came back down by plane and checked into Cairo because I came down every couple of weeks to get a bath and to eat properly, because we lived on goats, cheese, and black coffee when we were up digging.
One of the priests was telling me that he was engaged in an exorcism and his assistant has collapsed, which is not uncommon with young assistants, because in your first exorcism, if you've never done it before, the impact is so great, sometimes you become totally incontinent.
I mean, I've seen assistants trying to hold somebody down and dropping the person and looking at each other because the person, the possessed person, has started telling one man what the other man did to his wife.
And sometimes it's a lie, sometimes it's truth, sometimes it's an exaggeration.
Anyway, but after the first 20 minutes, what happens?
In that 20 minutes, the following happens.
Now, the temperature of the room may change.
There may be a horrible smell.
There may not be a horrible smell.
All those are incidental things, the olofactory experience or the heat and the cold experience.
But here's the real point.
At a certain moment, if it's really an exorcism, and if we are in the presence of a possessing spirit or a threatening spirit, demon, everybody in the room, the priest and his assistant and the assistants,
they know, and I can only call on some experiences of people listening to me, and you yourself are, you know there's something in the room that wants you dead, but dead, dead, dead.
I mean, I've only been twice in my life threatened with real death, but really threatened.
Once was in Czechoslovakia, and once was in America.
And it's a horrible feeling knowing that unless something happens, you are going to die now.
Well, I was going to say, this is one of those don't try to do home things.
In other words, you don't sit by a bed and attempt yourself, not knowing what you're doing, to say a nice little prayer that this spirit will leave the body.
And for instance, for a bad exorcism, I mean a long, unhealthy one, you don't eat very much for a couple of weeks, and you don't sleep very deeply either.
You can't.
You can't.
You've been locked in combat with a very, very insalubrious, unhealthy, anti-human, heating spirit that has communicated with you.
For those not of faith, are there during the course of exorcisms actual physical manifestations in or near the person or around the person or in the room, as in the movie?
If there's anything movable in the room, it's going to move.
If there are nails on the wall, if there are pictures, if there are windows that can be broken, they'll probably be broken.
If there's something which is weak and breakable, it can break.
It can move.
And so you want to have a very bare situation completely.
And even then, the exorcist is not free once it's all over.
I've been flung out of bed.
I've been knocked off stools and broken my shoulder by the demon to kill his own back, just to remind me he was there and to make me pay a price for the damage I did.
And if you really love him as Father, as Savior, and as final end of everything, and as the beautifier, and as the creator of nature, the creator of all beauty in our lives, it can expel fear.
But if you nourish fear, fear can grow and not quantitatively, but it can equal or surpass the amount of love you have in your heart.
And then you're in danger because that fear is going to make you despair.
No, the cases I have known are priests whose faith has been diminished.
See, faith is not a quantum like a bank balance or something in your pocket or clothes you wear.
It's a dimension of soul.
And that dimension can be greater or less, greater or lesser.
And it can be diminished by infidelities, by sin, by fecklessness, by carelessness.
It can be increased by virtue, it can be increased by good actions, it can be increased by the grace of God.
But it's usually because of a lack of faith, faith, when they think that there's no such thing as evil, really, that it's okay, do what you like, just don't frighten the horses.
But there are iron laws, though.
God has laws, and he doesn't allow them by violators.
You can violate them, but you're going to pay the price.
And one of the prices is that you slowly but surely edge towards that region of human existence where the demons are dominant.
And then I've been asked to go see people who are possessed by their husband or their wife or their brother or their sister and come away empty-handed.
it is art and so if you are told to go to hell to get out of here i don't want anything to do with you which i can imagine Well, you go away and you pray.
But you see, for instance, if I go into the greengrocer and I find the milk is supposedly rotten, and I say, listen, this milk smells highly, he says, listen, buddy, get the hell out of here.
That's one way of...
But if somebody tells you, in the way that it does happen now and again to an exorcist, please go to hell.
Because that's where I'm going.
I want to be with the prince.
And now I'm quoting a certain case to you.
Then it chills your bones.
Because you know you're up against somebody perfectly possessed who just is waiting to die and go home to his master.
Well, all right, there are stations that are just joining us now.
You have missed two very important hours, and it's going to be impossible to catch you up, but we'll try.
Malachi Martin, my guest, is an ex-Jesuit, former exorcist for many, many years, and one-time advisor to three popes.
He is now a best-selling author.
As a premier investigator of the clandestine politics and unlikely alliances of popes and cardinals, Dr. Martin offers rare insights in his books into the men who guide nearly a billion people in faith and broker the destinies of countries and continents.
As a member of the Vatican Intelligence Network under Pope John XXIII, Martin helped extend the church into Iron Curtain countries.
In 1964, concerned about the corrupting influences of power, Martin was released from his vows of poverty and obedience after 25 years as a Jesuit.
He left Rome for New York, where he did odd jobs until a Guggenheim Fellowship enabled him to write his first bestseller, Hostage to the Devil, followed by the final conclave, Vatican, three popes and the cardinal, the keys of this blood, the Jesuits, and others.
He has been reviewed by many, many, many, many.
Forbes said no spiritual journey is complete without a Vatican, Paige Turner by Malachi Martin.
Sacramento Bee said, it is to Martin's credit that his real-life fictional cardinals have flesh, bone, and blood, sometimes the heart of a South Chicago ward healer.
The Dallas Morning News said in biblical times they would have called him a prophet.
He just described in great detail what exorcisms are like.
If you are in that condition, if you think you fulfill all those conditions in your life, you should apply to the local bishop, the bishop of the diocese in which you live.
Well, there may be a difficulty there because a lot of the clergy in San Francisco have given up any belief in the existence of evil, above all in the existence of evil spirits.
And I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Archbishop of San Francisco is among those.
Apart from anything else, I promise you that when I say mass this morning, which I shall after this broadcast, I'll give you a first intention in that mass.
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There was a time when I would have just laughed at that, but I have tremendous respect for it now.
One other time, I was listening to a talk radio program, and a woman was on who all you had to do was call up and say your name and your age or something, and she would sense stuff about you.
And I called and I gave my name and my age and so on.
And she said, you know, she said, there's a very strong presence of a man who's been with you for about 10 years, and you really need to do something about that.
You need to be under the protection of God and you need the authority of Christ to get rid of any harassing or obsessing angels in your life because you don't sound as if you're possessed, but you do sound harassed.
Doctor, during the course of an exorcism, what things or messages do you typically hear from a demon in that process, in that war, in that confrontation?
You hear, if you lay yourself open to it, you hear reproaches about your life, your past life and your present life.
If there's anything to be reproached, he'll throw it at you like mud.
Then you also hear, if you allow it to continue, the exosystems control everything, you hear a lot about what it could be like if we weren't bothered about details like religion.
You hear a lot of deceptive suggestions and of peacefulness and let everybody think and do what they want to do, the message.
Then in the extreme cases, you get total blasphemy.
A priest is also a man with faults, with guilt, with all things, perhaps fewer than the rest of us, but things that can be thrown into his face to make him weak.
When I was momentarily Shaken by the shocking things said to me about God, about the angels, about heaven, about human beings, about human love above all.
And the contempt, the contempt and the despisement and the ridicule that human love is accorded by the demon when he really talks is something frightening.
It's something frightening.
And you realize then that all human love is useless unless it mirrors the love of God.
In fact, there's a twist to that I'd like to give to it.
You can, through exorcism, be rid of a drug habit.
Because many, in many cases, not all, I'm sure, but in many cases, the lapse into a drug habit, the adoption of a drug habit, is the result of satanic influence, demonic activity.
If in your life there is some imperative coming out of left field, not of your choice, but commanding you, urging you to do something, to yield, to be controlled, and know that that can herald demonic activity.
For instance, let me explain something to you.
We heard a lot for a long time, we still hear a lot about transcendental meditation, and the essence of it was that you made your mind blank.
A lot of things have happened in that time in the world and in the Church of Rome, my church, about which I've just written that book, Windswept House.
And it's all, a lot of it is negative.
There's a lot of negativity.
And there's been a lot of bloodshed in that time, by the way.
And there's been a lot of environmental damage.
And surely Lucifer, who wants the death of the human race, will use any means, especially radiation, to destroy human hopes and human life.
There are going to be three days when there's a great darkness over our earth, and during which it will be dangerous to be abroad, to be outside your home.
It's something that's been worrying me how a lot of leaders, religious leaders like the Pope and Mother Teresa and even, you know, political like Fort Sheltson is, you know, very ill.
In fact, within 12 months, we may have a new Pope, for all we know.
And Boris Yeltsin is ailing, but he's not the only one.
There's something happening and you know in human history if you look at it really cohesively you'll find that no era ends with a plonk like that and the next one starts.
They always dovetail and our past era is now dovetailing with a new era, which is a bit frightening, quite frankly.
I'm an attorney, and I've also been a Christian for right around 17 years.
I've been studying demonology almost as long.
And I have two questions for the Father and a couple comments, if I could.
First is, what is the, well, let me preface this and say, you have mentioned a couple of times that when you do exorcisms, there's a conflict of the wills and driving the Spirit out.
The second question is, I am denomination speaking more of the Protestant tradition, and I would ask you, can a non-Catholic without the Pope's authorization do exorcism?
They come to us, even though they remain Protestants, they remain Methodists and Lutherans and Mormons and whatever, or Jews, or Muslims, or Buddhists, but they come to us for exorcism.
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Okay.
Well, I'd like to proffer that you're speaking to somebody who's done a number of exorcisms just through my life.
I'm not a Catholic and I don't have the Pope's authorization, but you can do scriptures, Art, for the benefit of your audience to support that.
And we went through about two to three weeks of deliverance sessions And drove out 20-some demons, many of them manifesting and speaking and telling us where they're from.
Of course, you and I know, as sensible men, it's very hazardous to guess at timings.
The one thing that's difficult are dates and times and hours and places.
But given what is happening to the nations, given the existence now of the new world order as a fact of life and not a theory and not a plan for the future,
and given the rising sea of very disturbing things happening, men and women, negative things, we are approaching a point when something has to give.
And it would seem to be on a global level and would seem to finally involve spirit, morals, ethics, finally the final battle.
So what time?
Well, I think that we're going to enter in these remaining years of this century.
We're entering a period of severe chastisement, severe hardships throughout the cosmos, throughout our Earth.
And I think that into the new century, the 21st century, we're heading for a lot of confrontations and ending up in a short time with that final battle.
Doctor, with changes, earth changes, with things that will occur, it seems so unfair because when these changes begin, clearly those in third world nations, underdeveloped nations, will suffer and die at a disproportionate rate.
I think that where things will be really bad will be in our overcrowded western cities, our big cities, say Mexico City with 30 million, or Atlanta or Los Angeles or New York or Chicago, the big urban settlements.
I think there's where the real suffering will take place.
Now, I think that the people living in Patagonia, the people living in Tasmania, the natives, as we call them, we're natives too, but we always refer to the others as the natives.
With our post-colonial mind, we still say that, you know.
And I remember always making my British friends uncomfortable by referring to them as native British, but there was no seeing as native British.
The natives were only in Africa, for the British at that time, anyway.
But the suffering may be more intense in what we call civilization.
Maybe much more intense because we are more dependent.
I mean, look, think what would happen to New York if the water supply is cut off and the electricity, the gas.
All right, the following comes to me, as you might imagine, unsigned for a good reason.
Doctor, I'm going to read you something.
I'd like you to react to it, if you would.
Certainly.
Dear Art and Dr. Martin, in 1991, I made a pact with anyone that could get my girlfriend to come back.
The response was by Satan.
At that point, my eyes literally rolled back, and I heard only two words.
One year.
One year later, she broke up with me for no good reason.
Several months later, I was asleep, had a dream that I was looking at myself in a mirror brushing my hair.
When I looked at my eyes in the mirror, they turned totally black.
The person was me, but the soul behind the eyes, evil.
At that point, I knew exactly who it was, what I wanted, and how it got there.
At this point, I was awake, tried to get up and turn on the lights, but was physically pushed back down to a prone position and could no longer move even a finger.
To make matters worse, the bedroom door slammed shut, and I was cut off from the light in the hallway.
I now know my reading of that is that their lifestyle is disturbed by being told the truth about demonic possession and harassment.
To get back to this particular gentleman, I would love to know the result of, he won't tell us this time, perhaps some other time he will tell us what happened to him subsequently.
Everything that's there sounds absolutely genuine.
has happened, is chronicled, is known to have happened to others, and is genuinely the effect of demonic infestation.
You've been a very prolific dean, and I have one at the present moment called Windswept House, which is about the present condition of the Church of Rome and of the present Pope and what's going to happen shortly to both.
Because people may not realize it because of the flourishing condition of the Church, apparently.
We are in deep crisis in the Roman Catholic Church.
I'm a priest.
I say Mass every morning.
I baptize babies.
I hear confession, etc.
So I'm a traditional priest.
But I know we're in deep doo-doo, in deep trouble.
And this book, that's my latest book, but it's only the 16th book I've written.
Genuine ghosts are visitations by people already dead who are allowed by God to visit the living for some reason or other, usually known to the person visited, but not admitted by them until they wake up.
There are some cases where what we call ghosts is demonic infestation of a house or a city or a street.
So then even in the case of a child, like this lady's child, you would recommend, based on what you heard, that perhaps she see somebody like yourself?
Because actually, it's a very telling question, and it's an intelligent question, because overall their faith has weakened.
I said before to you, it's a dimension.
It's not a quantum.
for dimension and overall it has an i've probed people who don't believe that that i find that that belief in the resurrection of christ jesus that belief in heaven that belief in hell is all it all shaken to bits sometimes non-existent can i ask you about a very sensitive question regarding uh...
Is it, Doctor, because of the church's attitude about it, in other words, they feel that there's been a breach of faith and they want to work on that breach of faith instead of letting it become a civil matter?
Unfortunately, there is a network, and they cover for each other.
So that's a complicating factor.
It's not a wide network, but it does exist.
Number one.
Number two, as you know, for any ecclesiastic in the Catholic Church, there are only two evils, bankruptcy or moral scandal.
These are two things they're afraid of.
They're not afraid of anything else.
And therefore, they try and cover anything up which is light, which breeds scandal, because that destroys prestige and finally stops money, stops people contributing.
My experience is as follows, whether as a chaplain in the U.S. Air Force, which I was, or as a parish priest, which I have functioned as, and as a priest now dealing with people, there's no doubt about it that a priest who is a celibate, a real celibate, not just a eunuch, you know, many who take the vow of celibacy are really eunuchs.
Somebody has put a chastity belt on them and thrown away the key and they're looking for the key.
And sometimes they find it to be rude and lewd about it.
But genuine celibacy makes you so specialized that people can confide in you.
And they know you belong to them and them alone.
And they know you're not going home at night to your wife.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
But you're not sharing anything with anybody.
Your heart.
your heart belongs to Christ as a celibate if you're truly a celibate but celibacy is a very And it's a rare thing, the practice of celibacy.
There are a lot of celibates who take that vow.
But the practice of celibacy does make a man very special because he's uniquely devoted.
And by the way, I don't know if you've found this out, but the biggest psychiatrists I know, the biggest surgeons, they're practically celibate.
Mr. Bell, this is Catherine from the Gulf Coast area of Texas.
Would you please ask Father Martin this question?
Father John O'Connor, not Cardinal John O'Connor, said because the energy loss from a true exorcist is so great that a Catholic exorcist lives only about 15 years after he is deeply involved in this.
He further says, the hatred from the demon is so horrendous that it literally drains him.
See, the soil of Egypt and of Palestine in general preserves things because it's dry.
And I'm convinced That one of these days we're going to find the most extraordinary things, like, for instance, a copy of the Bible coming from pre-exilic times, that is before the Babylonian captivity.
That's about 580 BC, which would be tremendous to find.
It would confirm, because I'm certain that we have a proper tradition, but it would be lovely to have a manuscript from that time, from the time of Isaiah.
All right, one more, and then we'll go back to the Romans.
Joseph in Seattle wants to know, do you have any comment about the numerous sightings and encounters of and with what are being called extraterrestrial beings and their relationship, if any, with demons, angels, and the quickening process?
I mean, it revolutionized the whole of Europe and the whole of the world.
And they found it impossible to believe it in the beginning, because they believed there were two-headed men and giants and misshapen creatures outside Europe.
They didn't know anything better.
Then they suddenly found out that there were generations of people living outside of Europe that had lived and died for hundreds and hundreds of years.
So revolutionary.
And they didn't lose their faith.
On the contrary, they expanded it.
I have an inkling, I don't know, but from the data so far assembled, I have a feeling that there's no extraterrestrial life within our galaxy.
Well, if you have dabbled in the Ouija board seriously, and if you have dabbled in any it's occult, there's no doubt about that.
You're dealing with occult forces, then you may have some attachments to you that you don't like, spiritual attachments, in your spirit, and you want to get rid of them.
Well, you know, it's called Satan's eighth sacrament, suicide.
There are seven satanic sacraments, apparently, but suicide is the eighth one.
What happens is briefly this, that by my own hand, I cut myself off from leading a life according to God's will, who is the master of life and of death.
And by doing that, I violate a fundamental commandment of His, which is do not kill yourself.
It's a fundamental law in my nature.
And I thereby enter the gray area where I can never see the light again.
I can never be with God.
I can never have happiness.
And I suffer the torment of being separated from the one thing that would have made me happy, would have made me beatify me forever, God and his beauty and his truth and his heaven.
I know, and Art, they ring in my ears now that you've said them, and I won't forget them.
They've been said to me on other occasions by other people for other reasons, for the same reasons.
I don't know, I really don't know, Art, in the whole of human history that I have read and talked about and inquired into, I don't know of any explanation justifying human suffering except the sufferings of Jesus Christ on his cross.
If I can identify with his sufferings, in spite of my cancer, in spite of my arthritis, in spite of my AIDS, if I have these things, if I can identify with his sufferings, I can merit a greater place in heaven.
I can merit a greater closeness to God.
And I know in my soul what I want is God, the beauty, and truth.
I do not exclude that, for instance, if I proceed to take cyanide or something, you know, some suicidal act, I do not exclude that before I die, God can touch my heart and make me repent of it, even though I can't undo what I've done.
But the question that I had, you know, and my studying of metaphysics, and I try to, I do stay within, you know, the matrix of Christian principles.
Yes, yes.
But I come to realize that throughout Christendom that there is much phenomena to be studied, you know, from the Appalachian people who handle serpents and drink poison in the name of Christ, and Glossolalia in the churchmases and these exorcisms and apparitions.
In the process of doing what these remote viewers do, and it is very interesting, Doctor, because there was a Nightline program, and it turns out our own government for 20 years has been involved in remote viewing.
What is a person doing when they remote view, it's not exactly an out-of-body, or is it out-of-body, and they are subject then to all kinds of things as you are when you open other doors with Ouija boards or whatever?
The Nazis the Nazis in the death camps seeking to develop the perfect mind control developed means or yeah they found means of developing these latent powers.
When we conquered Germany, we imported not merely physical scientists, rocket scientists like von Braun and the others, we also imported the doctors who had gone in for mind control.
And some of those mind control methods were used in the special forces of the USA.
And they have found that in certain cases they produce the very traits that you find in possessed people.
But it does give remote viewing, makes it a reality, and remote action a reality.
And the Soviets in their day and the Nazis went much further than we ever went.
We learned from them.
But it's highly dangerous because you probably heard me say, and it went by your ear, Art, and I didn't emphasize it.
That middle plateau is the plateau on which evil spirits work.
And they use every paranormal, a paranormal power that they can, that's latent in human beings and can be evinced, can be used.
And it's very dangerous and volatile.
It's the nitroglycerin of the soul.
It can blow it up.
And it's a very dangerous thing because you let loose something amongst human beings as a group that's destructive in the extreme and completely immoral.
There's no ethic, there's no moral, there's no rule at all.
The answer is that you are not as evil as these forces would have you believe.
And the persuasion that you are evil is merely a means of getting you to despair and say, what's the point?
Let me kill myself.
You need a good confessor.
You need a good advisor, as well as perhaps some therapy.
But therapy won't cure this.
It's a question of asking God's mercy and getting it, and getting absolution for sins, and starting the long process of cultivating friendship with God.
I'm a member of the Russian Church abroad, which is old calendar and very opposed to the ecumenical movement.
And with the Balamon document, accepting, basically was against Unionism, but a mutual acceptance of both the Roman Church and the Eastern Church's sacraments both ways.
And the Patriarch of Constantinople, as you well know, is trained at the Oriental Institute by the Jesuits in Rome.
I was wondering if you have any insight.
Both he and Pope John Paul have both expressed that their desire is for the Church to unite the two, as they say called, the two lungs of the body of Christ the year 2000.
Father Seraphim, I wish I had better news for you in this matter.
I can tell you exactly where we stand in the matter.
Bartolomew, both Bartolome and Alexei of Moscow, but talking about Bartolome as the head of Constantinople church have both stressed that at the present moment there's nothing in sight,
there's no union in sight for the simple reason that basic questions are so outstanding that unless there was a miracle overnight, we have no solution to the problem of jurisdiction.
There's great goodwill, there's no doubt about that.
And I expect, Father Seraphim, that within a few years we will have general permission to communicate each other.
I think we will have, de facto at the present moment, there are Greek Orthodox that share Catholic communion and Catholics that share Greek Orthodox communion with the connivance and the agreement of local priests and local bishops too.
That should be done though officially by the heads of Orthodoxy and the heads of the Roman Catholic Church.
We are pretty far from that.
I think between you and me, Father Seraphin, might rather be realistic about it.
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How does the Pope see the Balaman document, which is Juneism, but did accept on a unilateral basis, it did accept the validity of both churches and their sacraments?
I mean, you had, for instance, in the First World War and the Second World War, you had the example of French chaplains, chaplains to the French armed forces, invoking God's grace for victory over the Germans.
And you had on the German side, German chaplains invoking God's help for Germans to have a victory over the French.
Do you feel that essentially that people, I know I got a book written by a man named Courtney Brown, who was a guest on our show and read it.
And in that book, the question is this, and let me throw the question out before I give the background.
Are people sometimes deceived in believing they are following truth and light when they might not be?
Let me give you, for instance, in that book, he said that the good spirit that he thought was Christ was a translucent being.
But at the same time, he said the purpose of his visitation to this man was to write the book, and at the same time he renounced the time of Christ in there, the name of Jesus.
And I wonder if you could expand on that as to why the name of Jesus, there's no other name under heaven wherein mankind might be glorified.
A question that has always bothered me, and maybe you can answer it.
If I understand correctly, a child that is not a Christian who becomes an adult and dies without Christianity may not go to heaven, may not go to heaven, too.
It all depends on the child's will, what he or she does with her will.
Put it like this, not crudely, but put it as bluntly as possible.
Art.
If a good Muslim, or a good Jew, or a good Mormon, or a good Buddhist, lives their life according to their likes, as best they can, if they really avoid sin, and they can get the grace of going to heaven, but that grace comes to them through Jesus, even though if they don't know him.
Of virtually feeling that from the earliest days of my recollection, my walk onto one side of the hill or the other has allowed me to experience something that I've always had a notion that may be playing with the dark side.
But I wonder if it's possible to have a possession by, as you say, one generation to the next with a spirit or a demon that has to be not considered really that malevolent.
Because, look, my friend, I will probably never have the pleasure of meeting you, but I know this much, that if we were to meet, if you meet anybody, if you have some interchange with anybody, even on the telephone, even by this radio satellite that is linking us now, you modify the person morally.
You've modified me already, and I've modified you.
and art has modified me and I've modified you.
There's always, We receive indelible impressions from each other, even at a distance.
And therefore you influence everybody according to the good or the bad in you.
And therefore you can't simply say that I can have four children and love them, it says you can.
But you're going to give them something that you wouldn't give them if you weren't possessed.
Well, we were talking about people not of the Christian faith.
And I said there may be many paths.
Many paths.
But really, there is only one.
It's just that it is possible.
And the discussion was centering around whether it's possible for somebody not of the Christian faith to be saved, to go to heaven as we all would wish.
I'll tell you, the experience I've had working with psychiatrists is that the cases we've come across, over 50% are not what traditionally called MPDs.
they are a question of multiple demonic profession and how would that be determined which all I'll give you one case, concrete case, and I'll do it out.
Okay, it's a woman, grandmother, engaged in certain rites, Satanist rites, affecting the life of her grandchild and her own daughter, and doing it in the name of Isabel, one of the personalities, and then suddenly switching to Hilda and so on, multiple personalities.
But we decided that it was too Satanist in its tone, and we should try exorcism.
And having tried exorcism, we found she was possessed, she entertained these demons.
I should, it's not relevant, perhaps, but I should tell you the attitude of the Roman Catholic Church for a long time has been that this is especially, it's a time of history, especially in which Satan, Lucifer, has special liberty, which will end with the year 2000.
And for years now, we have, my husband and I have had the theory that so many times we hear the love of God preached, but there's no the old-fashioned hell, fire, and brimstone.
And she was used by Satan to give Saul a sense of despair so that he could commit, so that he finally did commit suicide the following day instead of trusting God.
We've just had a man talking to us about an hour ago who has none special authority of any church, but he does cast out devils, he says, and there's no reason to disbelieve him.
And I've known the singular case of one or two men and women who were able to do it, but they're very rare.
In my church, the habit has been for a long time, for about 1,400 years, to do it under the authority of a bishop, because the bishop does represent Christ.
Well, I doubt if he knows who the next Pope is, so he couldn't be uncomfortable with him.
You know what I mean?
I doubt if he knows who the next Pope is.
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Okay.
One other real quick question, sir, please.
A very good friend of mine here that lives in the same building that I do, we talk about what you've been talking about this evening, or this morning rather.
There is two particular demons that I don't know what the names of them are, but he has stated that he has seen one that attacked his wife.