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Sept. 26, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. - Roswell UFO Crash

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		And in a moment, Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. from Montana.
		And he is a doctor, and he is in practice now.
		And he's got to get up early in the morning, so we've got him for about an hour, and we are going to make the best use of the time we can.
		So that coming up in a moment.
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		Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. is in Montana, where it's already midnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be a long day for him tomorrow, and it has been a long day for him today.
		So we're going to get right down to business.
		Doctor, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Doctor, you know, I've heard myth about you and Roswell.
		I've seen movies and I've read books.
		But I've never talked to you about it.
		I've never heard it from you.
		And so I guess I would like to find...
unidentified		Well, you know, I was almost 12 years old.
		This was in July of 1947.
		I was 11 then.
		I was 12 in August.
		So pretty close to being 12.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So about 12 years old.
		Yeah.
		I take it that, well, I shouldn't take it.
		What was the first indication that you had, you had, that something had occurred?
unidentified		Well, my dad woke me up early in the morning to show us some debris that he brought in from the field out of Roswell.
unidentified		He had left earlier maybe the day before, I don't really recall now, but when he came in, he came back at the house, he woke my mother and myself up to look at some metal fragments and debris that he and another fellow found out there northwest of Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you remember what he actually said he had found?
unidentified		Well, you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he said that this was parts of a flying saucer or something to that effect.
unidentified		At that time, I really wasn't quite sure what a flying saucer was, but I certainly later found out what the connotation was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at 12 years old, I guess the phrase flying saucer would at least get your attention.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you went, obviously, bounded out of bed, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you in bed at that point?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		It must have been one or two o'clock in the morning.
		Certainly very late.
		I've been asleep for several hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		So no doubt you bounded out of bed and went to take a look at what was downstairs.
		What had he done?
unidentified		Well, what he did, he came in and he wanted me to help him unload some boxes of this material from the car.
unidentified		We had a 1942 Bue convertible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there were boxes of it?
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
		And so I went outside, helped him unload a couple boxes of debris, and what we did, we just dumped it on the kitchen floor.
		And he said, I want you to look at this, something very unusual.
		Yeah, look for some electronic components, you know, like vacuum tubes or resistors, condensers, wires.
		There wasn't anything like that.
		And I guess the next step was, well, we wanted to see if we could put some of this together.
		You know, there's a lot of metal debris and see if we could put it together like a jigsaw puzzle and make some sort of a power line out of it.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But of course, you only had pieces of a far greater puzzle like that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		There was far too much of it to do anything like that with.
		And certainly there wasn't anything that could be construed as electronic, you know, no electrical wires or the other components.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		how would you describe it as uh...
		uh...
		as just sort of uh...
		Beams with what appeared to be hieroglyphics on them or portions of beams?
		Can you recall the nature of what was there?
unidentified		Well, you know, as I remember, there was about three types of this debris.
		There was a lot of metal foil, sort of like aluminum foil that you would see in the kitchen today.
		It was kind of dull, not really very reflective.
		It was very light.
		And there was some black plastic and debris I thought was something like fakelight.
		And then there were the I-beams, or the beams, as I recall, that had this writing or the symbols written across the inner surface of it.
		And that was the most intriguing part of this whole thing.
		These were very small beams, maybe a quarter of an inch in diameter, or at least cross-sectional area.
		And when he held it up to the light, there was some purple type writing or symbols on the inside surface.
		And I guess the longest beam that I could see was about 12 to 18 inches long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the ends, could you tell whether they had been broken off, burned off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was the debris obviously fire damaged or crash damaged?
unidentified		You know, I really don't recall whether the ends were cleanly cut or whether they were fractured.
		You know, it just didn't make an impression on me.
		The biggest impression was the writing on it.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned some dark material.
unidentified		Yeah, there was like pieces of broken plastic, like a bakelider or a...
unidentified		Yeah, things of this nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you happen to look at the side of that and notice whether it was finely layered material or it was solid?
unidentified		The plastic?
		Yes, sir.
		You know, if you want to compare it to anything, it looked like a broken phonograph record.
		You know, pieces of the old broken records.
		It didn't seem to be layered or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Your dad then must have sort of told you the story about what he found.
		Did he only tell you about debris?
		Or was there ever mention of more, what would be considered to be a craft or anything more?
unidentified		No.
		Yeah, the only thing he mentioned was the debris.
		He said he had picked a portion of this material up with another gentleman out there.
		And actually, it was a friend of our family.
		I think his name was Cabot at that time.
		And they were heading into the airbase with the material.
		And since our house was on the way to the airbase, he swung by the house to show it to my mother and myself, as he considered it to be so unusual.
		Did he just look at it?
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he indicate there was a lot more debris out there and he had only part of it, or was that it?
unidentified		No, my feeling was that this was only a small part of what was out there.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, when your father then, how long, once he left, did he gather up all the material?
		Did he leave some with you?
		I seem to recall in the movie that some had been left with you.
unidentified		Well, that was just part of the movie.
unidentified		No, he gathered it all up, and we put it back in the boxes back of the 42 Buick, and then he left for the airbase, and I went back to bed, and that was the end of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was the end of that?
unidentified		Yeah, until a day or two later when he came back home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he was gone that long?
unidentified		Yes.
		And my understanding now is that he helped, you know, consign or he flew the stuff to the Fort Worth Air Base and what was in what was to be Carswell Air Force Base.
		And he left it there and came back the next day.
		And I do remember him coming in and saying, talk to my mother and myself about this.
		And as something that we are not to discuss again, it's just something that didn't happen, just treated as a non-event.
		And that's exactly what we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you remember his demeanor at that time?
		In other words, when he talked to you and said, look, it was a non-event, this never happened, it's got to be a secret or whatever.
		What was his demeanor like?
		Or do you even recall that?
unidentified		I don't recall that, but I would think it would be pretty serious.
unidentified		He wanted to make a point that we're not to discuss this issue again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by then it was hitting the headlines all over the place.
		I mean, it was the Roswell radio station, the one I'm on right now, as a matter of fact, and the newspaper and then papers all over the country.
		At that point, we're making a great big deal out of it.
		Did that impact you?
unidentified		Well, we just heard about that later, that there was a big publicity splash about that.
		As a matter of fact, sometime after this happened, I guess my dad had a friend in China.
		I'm not sure where not Singapore, but Peiking, who sent him a clipping out of the newspaper there.
		So it actually had made it all the way over there, yeah.
		1947.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the years, how many times, I bet it's been a million, have you sat down and tried to remember the details of all this again and again and again?
unidentified		Yeah, I've tried many, many times, and you can just get so much water out of a turnip.
		Because I guess one of the problem is I saw this for a total of maybe 15 or 20 minutes total tops about 50 years ago.
		And the only reason I remember any of it at all is because it was such an unusual event.
		The material itself had a very unusual characteristic.
		And that's the only reason I remember this happening at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the movie, and that's my only reference other than books, they talked about the foil, foil material, and it almost looked magical as though you would crumple it and it would just suddenly return to shape.
unidentified		Yeah, I heard other people describe that physical attribute.
		I did not witness that myself.
		I didn't try to fold it up or bend it or tear it or do anything like that.
		So I just looked at it and just carefully put it back down.
		I didn't try to do anything with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that what you saw could have been a balloon?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Not a balloon, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a balloon.
unidentified		One thing, too, that really strikes home with that is that I saw pictures of my dad in General Ramey's office at Fort Worth with some debris that they said came from the Roswell cranks tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was a famous shot they made him take, right?
unidentified		Yeah, that we were, supposedly that was the same stuff that was on our kitchen floor in Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not, uh.
unidentified		Not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that's a for sure thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's easy to remember.
unidentified		Yeah, that's the thing that really brings us home that, boy, they're trying to do something here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you know, I think about a year ago, it was a year ago, the Air Force finally came out and said, well, we did lie.
		It wasn't a balloon.
		It was a balloon.
		But a different kind of balloon, A very special balloon to try and detect Soviet nuclear testing.
		And can you imagine that being a possibility?
unidentified		Well, you know, a balloon is a balloon is a balloon.
		You know, there's not that much difference between what the mogul device would have been or what the weather balloon would have been or, you know, whatever they want to say about it.
		There will be no confusion there.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the years that passed until your father died, did you have conversations with him about this?
unidentified		We had often owned talks about this.
		I knew that he'd gone to Roswell a few times to be interviewed, and people begrudgingly, he didn't really seek any attention to this thing, but people came to him.
		And I remember one of the last times I talked to him on the telephone about this.
		He'd just come back from Roswell and was out at the cry site, or supposedly out at the cry site, and I asked him, well, jokingly, was there any of that debris out there?
		And he said, oh, no, no, they vacuumed all that up.
		So obviously there was no scrap of it left.
		And I did try to confirm that we saw the same things, remember the same thing.
		And I said, what was the color of the writing on that beam?
		And he said, oh, it was a violet purple.
		That's exactly what I recall, too.
		So we recall the same type of physical characteristics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it was, it was not English.
unidentified		No, no.
		You know, when I first saw it, I thought, you know, as a little kid, you know, I thought, well, hey, this looked like hieroglyphics.
		But when you look at it, no, it wasn't hieroglyphics either.
		It was like geometric symbols of some kind.
		And I know the Air Force is trying to say, well, this was a flower pattern on some Scotch tape on some baltic wood that was used to fix tinfoil to the Baltic wood.
		Well, no, it wasn't.
		Scotch tape with flowers on it.
		I would know that.
		And I knew what Baltzwood was because I built stick models all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was metal?
unidentified		Not baldwood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was metal?
unidentified		This was metal, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recall you must have hefted one or picked one up in your hand?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it heavy as in iron?
unidentified		No, no, it was very light.
		You know, I don't recall any weight to it or mass to it at all.
		Just being like it was light feathers.
		I don't want to remember something that wasn't there, though.
		But in my recollection, it was a very light structure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did your father, in later conversations, ever sit down and tell you the whole story, or did he hold this essentially to the end?
unidentified		No, he never told me the whole story.
		The only story I know that came from him is through interviews that he gave to other people years after this event.
		But we never sat down and discussed at length what this was, or at least what he, you know, the whole story.
		We always considered it to be something very unusual, probably extraterrestrial, though.
		There's no question about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There have been many reports, and of course, the movie did it up about the extraterrestrial bodies that were captured, even some talking about one alive, that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No mention of that from your father.
unidentified		Not at all.
		Because I think, you know, if they were there, that was another loop of information.
		And I guess, you know, with compartmentalization, if you didn't have the need to know about other things, you were not in the loop to know about this other thing.
		So the event, I guess, was segmented, and those who had privy to one part did not have privy to another part of the knowledge or the event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we go back to when it first occurred, when your dad brought all the boxes home and said it came from a flying saucer, or something to that effect.
unidentified		Right, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were your father's qualifications?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, would he have known what he was saying?
unidentified		Well, you know, he was a base intelligence officer, so I assume he would know what he was talking about.
		You know, he was in on aircraft accident investigations and certainly flew enough during the war to know what radar targets and things like that would have been.
		And as a matter of fact, he went to radar school to learn about different types of radar targets and kites and so forth.
		So he knew, you know, he had training to delineate the difference between what we saw and what the Air Force says we saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was a man who would have known exactly what he was seeing.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or at least for a certain what he wasn't seeing.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about your mom?
		How did she take all this?
		And did you notice after your dad came back that there was any difference in your mom's take on everything?
		Did she suddenly quiet down about it?
unidentified		Well, you know, we just didn't discuss it to my memory.
		You know, this is going back a long time ago now, and I don't really recall that it really had any big impact on our lives at that point because we just forgot about it.
		You know, I said, well, if this is what happened, just forget it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the next few days, well, let's see, this occurred in July, so you weren't in school then, were you?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had the story ballooned, and was it big by the time you did get back to school that year?
unidentified		No, I think it had been pretty well buried by that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buried by that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did the interest or the rush of interest come back and people began trying to interview your father in the press, you know, trying to get as much as they could from your father?
unidentified		Well, you know, not for years, no.
		As a matter of fact, the first interview I know that my dad officially gave to was Stan Friedman.
		And that was in 1978, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan is a good friend.
		He's a very, very nice guy.
		Very nice guy.
		Of course, nobody thought to take photographs or anything like that at 1.30 or 2 o'clock in the morning.
unidentified		No.
		No such thing as a Polaroid camera then, or even a camera that we had in the house.
		Yes.
		Yes.
		I just wish, well, I tell you what, had we kept a piece of it for souvenirs, we would not have it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think so?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they come back at any point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did officers or people, do you recall anybody coming to your house and interviewing your father or your mother or even yourself?
unidentified		No, no, nothing like that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why do you think had you held onto a piece, squirreled a piece away somewhere?
unidentified		Oh, I would have let somebody know that I had a piece of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like every kid in the world would.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		And I don't think I'd have it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There have been stories that there were large crews that went out to, in quotes, vacuum up the area.
		Do you know anything about that?
		Did your dad say that?
		He did say they vacuumed the area.
unidentified		Those were his words, and that was when I was talking to him.
unidentified		I know it was today that conversation was in 1980.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1980?
unidentified		Yeah, December 1980.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he ever tell you how many had been involved in that cleanup?
unidentified		No, I'm not sure he knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the movie showed looked like 100 GIs out there across the land.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back to you.
		My guest is Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AN from September 26th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest from Montana is Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
		The son of Major Marcel of Roswell fame and a lot more.
		We'll talk about that in a moment.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 26, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Dr. Marcel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, you said your dad woke you up about 1 or 2 in the morning or something like that.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When had the crash occurred?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how much earlier than that?
unidentified		You know, I have no knowledge of when it actually occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recall people talking about having seen anything in the days or months or even years that followed that crashed?
unidentified		Not all.
		And, you know, of course, there's always the scattered flying saucer, reporter, UFO.
		There's always those.
		But I don't recall anything specifically as pertained to the Roswell event in of itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the movie, the recent movie about Roswell?
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you sat down and watched that, was it a big laugh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was some of it accurate, a little bit of it with a lot of dramatic license, or how would you characterize it?
unidentified		Well, no, I think it was a job well done.
		I think the events as depicted in 1947 were pretty accurate.
		You know, with the exception of them showing me keeping a piece that my dad had to go back and recoup.
		That didn't happen.
		But I think, by and large, it was pretty accurate.
		It was in 1947.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you all consulted about the movie?
unidentified		Oh, you know, I guess they had talked with Paul Davids, some of the other people with this, and they, you know, kind of shot the breeze about this, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If your father had kept any debris, a piece to something, a little souvenir, do you think you would have found out about it?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, he would not have kept that a secret.
		No, we were pretty close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were there pieces now?
		Now I'm imagining there were quite a few GIs out there cleaning all this up.
		And they had to have manpower.
		Somebody had to do it.
		So were there pieces that you saw that would have been small enough that were on your kitchen floor that somebody could have slipped them into a pocket?
unidentified		Oh, certainly.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, you know, there was a smudge of it that we dumped on the kitchen floor that we later jokingly thought that, well, we probably, my mother probably swept some of it out the back door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, a few little pieces might have been left from gathering them up.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, about that Time approximately, we had laid a concrete slab in back of the kitchen door to mount a Bendix washing machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		And we thought that, well, you know, if this happened before we laid that slab, there might be some of this underneath the slab.
		But I later talked to my dad and he said, no, we lay this slab after this happened.
		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very like Jimmy Ha.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was done afterward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could there be, do you think there could be something left under that slab or around that slab?
unidentified		Well, you know, it wouldn't be under it because the slab was laid before this happened.
		Oh, okay.
		And, you know, right now they built an addition to the house over where that slab was, so that's pretty well under a building right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything about all of this that you recollect that you have never told anybody from the press?
unidentified		I think I've been pretty well drained of anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I'd try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that happened to you know I'm thinking of myself as your dad, and if I had found one thing, when your dad came home, was he really excited?
unidentified		Yeah, that I do recall.
		He was excited.
		And obviously, you know, he was excited enough to go a little bit out of his way to go by the house and wake us up.
		So, yes, he was enthusiastic over this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, if he had that level of enthusiasm, and then they gave him, no doubt, some very stern talk about, look, this never happened, and then he had been forced to hold up a balloon and tell a false story, that would go down pretty hard for a fairly proud man.
unidentified		Well, you know, I remember him saying later that he didn't really mind because he was actually part of the cover.
		He went along with this, you know, because this was what he was told to do.
		And as a soldier, he followed the orders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		course but still to stand there with a balloon and tell something that wasn't true would have gone down pretty Well, I guess inwardly, I'm not sure what effect it had on him.
unidentified		Outwardly, it didn't seem to bother him anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of dad was he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he a strict disciplinarian?
unidentified		No, he was very generous with me.
		I was the only kid, you know, spoiled brat.
		Got just about everything I wanted.
		And no, he was a very generous, very warm person with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, has all this in some way affected you now in life?
		I'm sure that everybody who knows the name Marcel asks you questions about this.
		Have you developed an interest in the subject, or have you gone the opposite way?
unidentified		Well, you know, what I do is since this happened, I surmise that we're not alone in the universe.
		So I'm a very avid astronomer and I read everything I can about cosmology.
		And that's why I find that Martian meteorites so intriguing, because this is the first crack in the door where they're being able to prove perhaps that we are not alone, that there is certainly life forms elsewhere.
		And as close as our doorstep on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are interested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this something that you developed later in life?
unidentified		No, this has been since that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since that time.
		So it really did affect you then and for the years that immediately followed that.
		It wasn't something that picked up later in life.
unidentified		Because I always took it to be what it was.
		And I've always had my eyes to the sky.
		I will say I've never seen a UFO flying saucer.
		I keep looking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've seen one.
		It was a big triangular sucker.
		It came about 150 feet above me.
		I'm out here near the test area they call Dreamland.
unidentified		Well, I keep looking, but I've never seen anything I could not identify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I guess what I would like to do is here's the facts I've got.
		When you interviewed John Kirby, I did.
		He laid a wonderful tape Dr. Marcel had made of a telephone conversation you had with his father, who had just taken a film crew to the site of the crash, which Dr. Marcel just mentioned.
		Have you gone back?
		You went back to that site, did you not, and walk that same area?
unidentified		Well, you know, I have to say I've never been to that exact site.
unidentified		I've been in the proximity, been out to the ranch, but I've never been to the exact site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never gone to the site?
unidentified		No, sir.
		What drove you to become a doctor?
		Well, I guess partly family pressure.
		My uncle was a doctor, and I wanted to go in one of the fields of sciences.
		Actually, I was more interested in physical sciences like physics and chemistry, but because of, oh, I have to admit pressures from the family, I went into medicine.
		I was interested in aviation or going into physics.
		But I ended up in medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had to do it all over again, would you change that direction and instead move toward the sciences, do you think?
unidentified		I think I would.
unidentified		Yes, I'd definitely stay with the physical sciences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, what kind of man was your father?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it a good, solid family relationship?
unidentified		Oh, I think so.
		We were, you know, the three of us.
		We were close-knit.
		So, you know, we did a lot of things together.
		And, like I say, we were pretty close family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, again, I think a very important point is the one thing that seemed truly to be extraterrestrial, as depicted in that movie, was that foil that crumpled up and suddenly returned to a traditional shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you never saw one bit of that in terms of...
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I handled it and looked at it.
		But I didn't really think so much of the foil As I did the beam that had that writing on it.
		That was the thing that really started off.
		I didn't pay much attention to the foil or that bake-like debris.
		It was the beam with the writing that really caught my eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen Russian writing, have you not?
unidentified		Yes, huh?
unidentified		Cyrillic alphabet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was not that.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think the only people then that would have the ability to put something up that would make it about the globe would be at that time possibly the Russians.
		And that was my best shot there at whether it might be their writing.
		If it wasn't their writing, then I cannot conceive of why we would do it.
		what explanation again did they give for that what they are not sure what That writing that you have talked about?
unidentified		Oh, they said it was tape.
		As a matter of fact, I got a call from one of the Air Force declassification teams who I discussed with what I saw.
		He wanted to know what I saw, and I told him, and he said, well, this is what we think you saw.
		And I said, no, that's not what I saw.
		And he said, well, we think you saw a piece of scotch tape with some flowers on it from some toy manufacturer back east that they're using to put these kites back together with.
		And I said, no, that was not flowers, and it wasn't tape.
		And so we didn't have not much of an agreement there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, can you remember the beam?
		When you held the beam in your hand and you looked at the writing, was it indented into the material the beam was made of?
		Was there an indentation that created this?
		Or was it a paint as though it were painted on?
unidentified		You know, I do know it was kind of like a purple, violet, metallic hue, and it was written inside the length of this beam.
		And I don't recall really whether it had texture.
		It looked like it would have, and maybe I ran my fingernail across it.
		I don't really know whether I did that or not.
		I don't want to remember something that didn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		Have you ever considered, and I'm sure you've been asked, to undergo some sort of regressive hypnosis to try and dredge, you know, it is, I think, possible to bring details from the human mind.
unidentified		Well, you know, that was tried at one time, but I think I'm a very poor subject.
		I'm not a real strong believer in it.
		Maybe it's true.
		Maybe it's valid.
		And I guess I have a bias against it, so I don't think I was a very good subject for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I do, too, and I think that people who have strong wills are very, very difficult to hypnotize.
		They simply will not allow it to occur to themselves.
		They won't yield that kind of control.
unidentified		Perhaps so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's nothing to come from that, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		were there any writings that your father left?
unidentified		No, I've gone through...
		They're still in storage.
		And I have not seen anything that he put down on pen to paper on this thing.
		It's all word of mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to the car that held those parts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sold?
unidentified		Well, you know, we went on a vacation to Yellowstone National Park.
		And first of all, we moved from Roswell to Washington, D.C. Then we went on a vacation to Yellowstone Park.
		And coming back from Yellowstone, we stopped in Cincinnati, Ohio, and got a 1950 Studebecker, traded the car in the car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Traded the car, huh?
unidentified		Trade the car in on a 1950 Studebaker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because one, of course, has to wonder whether some little artifact might have been left here.
unidentified		Well, you could back it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somebody, no doubt, bought that car and drove it around and had no idea what that meant.
unidentified		God knows where it is now.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm tempted to dip to the phone lines, let people ask a couple of questions of you.
		I really, really want to thank you for staying up.
		I know it's, I guess you had a long day today and doctors have long days, period, so you've got another one to cover tomorrow.
unidentified		Yeah, it gets to be kind of dragging after a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happens, by the way, when people come to you, they have UFO conferences probably now once a month someplace, big ones, and I'm sure you get invited.
		Yes.
		Have you gone to any of them?
unidentified		Yeah, I go to an occasional one and just kind of just regurgitate what I've already done today, you know, just this evening.
		I just kind of go over details, and I like to fold into my little talk or presentation the fact is that there's life elsewhere.
		I like to talk about the planetary systems that they're now describing and finding and how the stuff of life is all over out there.
		So we're obviously not by ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every new thing we find, every new discovery, leads clearly in the direction of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mars, Europa, new planets.
unidentified		That little Martian meteorite may drive the final nail in the cough of those who say there's no life elsewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you surprised the other day when you heard the Clinton administration has scratched plans for a manned trip to Mars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're talking now about sending robots.
unidentified		Robotic exploration can be very effective, too, and it's certainly a lot more cost-effective.
		And it's certainly not as glamorous as sending a man to Mars, which we will do one of these days.
		But if we get there first with robotic exploration, so be it.
		Because that can yield extremely valuable information, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked at some of the research done by the likes of Richard Hoagland, the monuments of Mars, the face on Mars, so forth and so on?
unidentified		Well, it's fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it?
		It is indeed.
		And to consider that there was life millions of years ago at the microbial level says to me, had there been a different atmosphere, life, of course, could have come and gone and left monuments that we now see.
		And for all we know, we could be ancestors of that life.
unidentified		You know, actually, I think Mars, the conditions right for life, died too soon for any advanced civilization to have developed.
		If those monuments on Mars are really what we think they might be, they have to be put there by extraterrestrial people.
		So you're outside of the solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really almost a firm believer then, aren't you?
unidentified		I am absolutely a firm believer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you now remember your dad?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As just a very good father and family man?
unidentified		Well, you know, as time goes on, you tend to remember the good things and forget the bad things.
		And yes, I remember him very warmly now.
		And I certainly miss his presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been...
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And poor old you, you were just 12 years old.
unidentified		Yeah, just a little bit, you know, here it is, you know, 50 years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little foggy-eyed at 1 or 2 in the morning and trying to always recollect things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me take one quick call and see if somebody's got a question for you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Jesse Marcel.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing tonight, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Las Vegas, all right.
unidentified		Yep.
		I just am fascinated that you're having Jesse on the show tonight, Junior.
		It's beautiful.
		And I was just wondering, when he handled any of that material, did he get a hold of any soft materials?
		And did he get sick later, him or his dick?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did anybody get ill or anything at all unusual that you would attribute to the handling of that material?
unidentified		You know, people asked about this, but no, there was no unusual events there.
		They asked me, did it have any strange odors?
		No, I don't recall anything like that, and certainly no sickness that I could attribute to that.
		No strange viruses, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, going back to that material, the anomalous material that seemed to snap back into shape, if you didn't do that and you didn't note that, the movie, I'm trying to recall, had some young lady, I think, who did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the details are kind of foggy right now, but did you hear anything at all about that?
unidentified		Yeah, not at the time.
		Only years later, when they started, when people started coming out talking about this, did that attribute become known to me.
		Oh, I do remember my dad saying that he had one of his men take a sledgehammer and try to indent a larger piece of the metal and couldn't even scratch it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of the very light aluminum light?
unidentified		Yes, I remember him saying that.
		But as far as the metal with the memory, I don't recall him ever seeing anything like that.
		But I heard other people talk about that, but not for years after this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's possible that that was a myth.
unidentified		I didn't witness it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't witness it.
		Well, what I really do appreciate is you're coming on here and telling us what you did witness.
		And now I know, and now everybody else knows.
		Doctor, it has been a distinct pleasure.
		I know you've got a very, very long day coming up.
unidentified		It is unfortunate.
unidentified		I would love to continue this for hours, but unfortunately, the hour grows late, and early morning hours are coming up to me right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Marcel, thank you.
unidentified		Well, thank you very much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, sir.
		That's Dr. Jesse Marcel, and he's the man who was there, and so there you've heard it.
		His own words.
		And that may help some of you separate myth from reality.
		And it sounded very much to me as though he didn't embellish a thing and told us all he could remember.
		Isn't that something?
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		way from extinction.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 26, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you how unusual a night we're having.
		There was, as you know, a full moon eclipse.
		I saw it.
		It was a red moon.
unidentified		Incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a big full moon out there tonight.
		There are magnetic storms washing over the earth as we speak.
		I'm a shortwave person, as you know, and I monitor generally a lot of frequencies, and the broadcast band is down, propagation is down, WWV on 5 megahertz is barely audible.
		We must be awash with radiation.
		That's all I can say.
		It's one of those nights, one of those full moon nights.
		And it is kind of strange out there, so I would say buckle in and get ready for just about anything.
		In the Middle East, we are trying to arrange, everybody's trying to arrange, peace, because they have what could turn into a civil war going on there.
		55 dead, if you count those dead on both sides, Palestinian and Israeli.
		And I don't know, I don't think this is going to work out.
		It was all about a tunnel near a holy place.
		The tunnel is still there.
		They're not going to remove it.
		There are tanks and helicopters now.
		The fighting continues.
		Egypt's president is trying to arrange a three-way meeting in Cairo, maybe on Friday.
		We're putting pressure on the Israelis and doing everything but criticizing them publicly.
		If you read between the lines, we have done so.
		And I'm not sure what to say about it, except that I never did think that it was going to work.
		I believe, as I believe Benjamin Netanyahu believes, that ultimately, and at least in our lifetimes, let me qualify that, in our lifetimes and perhaps that of our children, the Israelis are only going to be sustained by strength and that peace accords with the Palestinians and ultimately with Syria are not going to work.
		You can't make peace with people who want you dead, who want you to not exist, and it's not going to work.
		And it's not working.
		The Senate sustained the abortion veto, and so there shall be partial birth abortions.
		They will continue.
		The President signed the maternity bill keeping gals in the hospital for 48 hours minimum.
		Shannon Lucid is back reclining in a big chair so she can get reacquainted with gravity.
		Newt Gingrich is in trouble.
		Democrats and Republicans on the committee that is investigating him have voted unanimously, unanimously, to expand the investigation.
		However, it turns out, it will not be known until after the election.
		So it is bad news for Gingrich, but good news, I suppose, for Bob Dole, who doesn't need a disabled Newt Gingrich right now.
		We'll have to see where that goes.
		Democrats, of course, calling for him to resign immediately from office.
		A judge in San Jose, California, has sentenced Richard Davis to death and tell her in a statement just before he was to receive sentence, loud in court, that Polly Klass had begged him not to do her as her father had done her.
		And at that point, her father lunged at this bastard, and if he could, probably would have killed him.
		And I know it's a horrible thing to say, but it's too bad they don't have guns in courtrooms, because I kind of wish he had killed him.
		And I'll tell you something, if it had been me, I'd have tried to figure out there's a way to get guns in.
		You know, it can be done.
		There are guns that are largely a composite material.
		And if I had been that father, I would have done my damnedest to get something in there to kill that bastard with.
		And if he'd have said something like that, that would have been, of course, way over the line.
		And I recall the movie 7.
		I wonder if you remember the movie 7.
		If you haven't seen it, you should if you can handle heavy material.
		And at the very end of that movie, there was a police officer whose wife had been killed.
		And he was just receiving that information as he drew a bead on the killer.
		And it was a very dramatic moment in the movie.
		And you could see in that man's head the wheels turning, knowing he was a cop, knowing he couldn't put a bullet in this guy because he was a cop, but knowing that the guy at the end of the barrel had just murdered Harborly, his wife.
		And you could see him torn for a period of time.
		And had it ended any other way, I could not have handled it.
		He blew that guy away.
		And I would have too.
		And it's funny, when I saw that courtroom scene yesterday with Mr. Class, I thought of the movie Seven.
		And I thought, if I can tell you, I would have killed.
		Given any opportunity, I would have killed.
		Have you ever wondered about that?
		What would bring you to the point where you would kill?
		Well, that's an easy call for me.
		And I would have done it without remorse.
		Without remorse.
		Goodbye.
		Do whatever you're going to do in the next life.
		Be judged there, because you're out of here now.
		No 10 years on appeals here.
		I'd have strangled him.
	I'd have put something around his throat.
	I'd have broken his neck, or if I could have gotten a gun in, I'd have shot him.
	So I don't blame him, and I wonder how you reacted to it.
	Believe it or not, President Clinton is on the way toward a Nobel Peace Prize for what he has done in Bosnia.
	I wonder if they ought to wait until the troops leave, if they do as he promised, before they issue this.
	Because I've got a feeling that Bosnia is going to return to exactly what it was when we leave.
	If we leave.
	Maybe to keep the Nobel, the troops are going to have to stay there.
	I don't know.
	Here is the story, the Associated Press story, thank you to one of my affiliates, on that six-year-old child.
	Talked about that a few days ago.
	These days, a kiss isn't just a kiss, not even in the first grade.
	A six-year-old boy who kissed a girl on the cheek was, as you must have heard by now, suspended last week on the grounds of sexual harassment.
	Jackie Pravette said the school overreacted to an innocent peck on the cheek by banishing her son, Jonathan, to a room apart from his classmates.
	Jonathan said the girl asked him to kiss her, that he was expressing friendship, according to the mother.
	Now, of course, insanity.
	Sexual harassment.
	A six-year-old kissing a six-year-old?
	A peck on the cheek?
	It's almost too insane to imagine, and yet in today's world, it occurs.
	I asked you the other night, and will again this morning, to come up with a presidential promise.
	There is absolutely no reason for you to keep it.
	We know that nominees promise you anything and never deliver.
	So if you were going to run for president, what would you promise the American people to get their vote, to ensure getting yourself into the White House, what would you promise?
	No limits, no reason to keep the promise.
	I'm just asking you, if you were going to concoct a big one, you know, a really big one, to entice the American people to vote for you, what would it be?
	Kevin and Rebecca, listening to Kern in Bakersfield, sent me some emails, said, Art, here is a presidential promise for re-election from President Clinton.
	I promise a blonde in every bedroom.
	And I've got a couple little things here I wanted to read you.
	A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said, If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess.
	Bending over, he picked the frog up, put it in his pocket, began to walk off.
	The somewhat agitated frog, at this point, spoke up again and said, If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I'll stay with you for one week.
	The boy took the frog out of his pocket and looked at it, thought for a moment, smiled, put it back.
	Well, now the frog was getting really quite huffy, cried out, okay, look, if you kiss me and turn me into a beautiful princess, I'll stay with you and do anything you want me to do.
	He stopped again, took the frog out, smiled at it, put it back in his pocket, and proceeded apace.
	Finally, the frog began yelling, What the hell's the matter with you?
	I've told you I'm a beautiful princess.
	I've said I'd stay with you for a whole week and offered to do anything you want.
unidentified		Why won't you kiss me?
unidentified		The boy said, look, I'm an engineer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog is really cool.
		That would certainly be the answer of an engineer.
		Sorry, I don't have time for a girlfriend, but, you know, a talking frog, well, that's really cool.
		Then there's one more little one, and then we'll just open the lines and see what the night brings.
		But I thought this was cute.
		Two hunters got a pilot to fly them into the far north for elk hunting.
		They were quite successful in their venture and bagged six big bucks.
		So the pilot came back, as arranged, to pick them up.
		They began loading their gear into the plane, including the six elk.
		But the pilot objected and said, look, the plane can only take out four of your elk.
		You'll have to leave two behind.
		So, they argued with him.
		The year before, they had also shot six, and the pilot had allowed them to put all on board.
		Plane was just the same model in capacity as this one.
		Reluctantly, the pilot finally permitted them to put all six aboard, but when they attempted to take off and leave the valley where they were, the little plane couldn't make it and crashed into the wilderness.
		Climbing out of the wreckage, one hunter said to the other, Do you have any idea where we are?
		Replied the other, I think so.
		I think this is about where the same place, the last plane, crashed last year.
		By the way, one other little item, the Israelis, besides having terrible problems with the Palestinians right now, and the other way around, I suppose, are seeing UFOs.
		Massive reports of UFOs.
		Egg-shaped spacecrafts, they say.
		And this is being reported in, well, as a matter of fact, this is an Associated Press article I've got.
		Some blame it on an invasion of American culture, but I think not.
		I think something is going on in the area of Israel, and I just thought I would pass it on to you, but the number of reports coming from Israel have quadrupled.
		I mean, there are just all kinds of reports coming from the Middle East now of UFOs.
		What do you make out of that?
unidentified		sad sound
		Now we take you back to the night of September 26, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell One last thing, he says again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From a Science in Brief article, there is a Japanese satellite that was just put up and took a photograph, which has been rendered then in various colors, so we might know what we're seeing, of the Earth's ozone hole.
		And the image above, and I've got it here, shown by the newest Japanese satellite to be launched, shows a rapidly developing late winter Antarctic ozone hole.
		And it is a big hole.
		I mean, we're not talking about what you've typically seen, and you remember you've seen pictures of the Earth with this sort of strangely inkblot-shaped little hole that sort of rotates around the Antarctic area.
		This thing would appear to be covering, I'm going to guess, at about between a third, about a third of the globe.
		About a third of the globe.
		A gigantic ozone hole.
		And the person that sent me this said sheds shades of Ed Dames.
unidentified		Huh, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it sure is.
		And I don't know about global warming.
		I've always had an open mind, and I've been unsure about those who talk about global warming.
		But I think this ozone hole thing is for real.
		Just thought I'd pass that along.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Jason from Fresno, California via KMJ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KMJ, of course.
unidentified		I'm going to make two comments, and then I'm going to get off the radio.
		All right.
		Number one, three nights ago when you were talking about the midnight paralysis or the paralysis in the middle of the night.
		It almost gave me a heart attack because that also happened to me.
		And I know you don't want any more reports, but it is a real phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
unidentified		And number two, the caller that had just called in and talked about the man in Florida, you need to look that up.
unidentified		I'm sure there's going to be other callers that know his name, but it's something like Rasputin or Ralph Selmait in search of, did an expose on him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so how did they determine he moved the stones?
unidentified		They cannot be moved at this day.
		They're so heavy, no mechanical device can lift them at this day.
		Yet they are in really nice, coordinated, like clockwork positions where people that are only like 20 or 40 pounds, little kids can push them and they'll turn.
		You have to see it for yourself.
		It's called Something Garden in Florida.
		I'm sure a lot of callers are going to call in and tell you all about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they are.
		All right, thank you very much.
		So apparently some structure built in a way that nobody is able to understand.
		I wonder what the best speculation is about how he did it, and he wouldn't show anybody.
		Maybe he had the same secrets the Egyptians had, huh?
		What do you think?
		What do you think they're going to find inside the Sphinx?
		Are you deserved, upset that they're going to be opening this in December?
		I have mixed feelings about it, and I'm going to be interested to speak with Mr. Baval and Mr. Hancock tomorrow night.
		They are adamantly opposed at this point to the opening of this chamber in the manner in which it's going to be opened.
		There are others who are very much interested in its being opened.
		I'm going to have to shut my mouth or I'm going to get in trouble here.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Could you tell me more about Newt Gingrich?
unidentified		I didn't catch anything about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is accused, and it's not all out in the public right now, of maybe making some bad tax moves with regard to a course that he held.
		And they are investigating that, and apparently more, because they're going to expand the investigation.
		So that's about all I know.
		There are tax questions.
		And the network coverage I saw last night on NBC seemed to feel it was really big trouble for Newt Gingrich.
		I don't know I would say that right now.
		I don't know.
unidentified		With all the trouble that Clinton's been in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And now they're going to be a little bit more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point.
		Well, there is a certain revenge factor here.
		You may recall the last Speaker of the House who had to leave.
		Poly.
		You may recall Newt Gingrich had quite a bit to do with that.
		And I think there is a big revenge factor here.
		However, it's worth bearing in mind that the Ethics Committee investigating voted unanimously to expand the investigation.
		That means all the Republicans on it as well.
		So maybe there is something here.
unidentified		Okay, well, thanks, Arch.
unidentified		I just want to let you know that I'm John calling from Milwaukee on what station is this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What station is?
unidentified		WTMJ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WTMJ.
		All right, thank you very much.
		That would be my take on it.
		It was a unanimous vote, and the Republicans on that ethics committee well understand the political implications of joining in such a vote at such a moment just before the election.
		So my inclination is to think, and I certainly don't want to, but to think they obviously feel there is something substantial to this, or they would have gone out of their way not to join in.
		Does that make sense to you?
		So I don't know.
		Tax problems?
		More from Mr. Gingrich?
		We will see.
		You're listening to live, unscreened, open talk radio on a full moon night with magnetic storms and more.
		It should be stay right where you are.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkville somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast AM from September
		26, 1996.
		Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, I can't go into a lot of detail on this right now for reasons that may become apparent to you tomorrow night.
		But there's some pretty heavy-duty stuff going on in Egypt with regard to the Sphinx and the opening of the chambers below the Sphinx.
		And there's a big struggle going on, and I got some calls earlier today, and there's a lot of things right now that, for the sake of the individuals involved, I'm not going to discuss on the air tonight.
		But I am going to tell you this.
		Nearly anything can happen tomorrow night.
		As you know, in the first hour of the program, I've got Zachariah Sitchins scheduled.
		And in the second hour, beginning in the second hour, Graham Hancock and Robert Bilal are going to be here.
		And I wish I could tell you more right now, but it might disturb things, so I'm not going to.
		But I can tell you there is a great power struggle going on, the likes of which you can barely imagine.
		Some reading on Richard Hoagland's webpage, available through mine, might go some way toward explaining that to you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Mallory Cross in Missoula, Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi.
unidentified		Shall I give you my phone number?
unidentified		Is this Art Bell program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Art Bell.
		No, don't give us your phone number.
		You'd be giving that to millions of people.
		You don't want to do that.
unidentified		Well, you mean I'm actually on the radio?
		Hear me.
		I'm calling about tomorrow night the pyramids, Jim Hancock and Robert Duvall because I just moved here from Spain three months ago, and I wrote him a letter when I read his book in June, and I have two books, but he hasn't answered, maybe he didn't get it.
		I have two books about pyramids found in South America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you turn your radio off for us, please?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Does that confuse it?
		Yes.
		I have a book written in 1935 that's a diary of a man who went in with a group and they found somewhere between Brazil and Venezuela pyramids with perhaps survivors they thought might have been the slaves of the people who built the pyramids surrounded by such high mountains.
		Nobody could ever figure out where they were after.
		And they found gold objects and they found all sorts of things about the pyramids related to the kind of thing he wrote in his book.
		And I want to communicate with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, he'll be here tomorrow night, so call him.
unidentified		Yeah, but I've been calling you for one hour and one half every few seconds to get through.
		And that's why I called you.
		That's why I want you, at least, or somebody, to have a way that Hancock can contact me because I have another book about the stones in Ica Peru that have engravings on them from the time of the dinosaurs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
unidentified		We have that book in Spanish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, ma'am?
		Ma'am?
		You're going to have to communicate with me in another way.
		I'm the only one here right now.
		I can't take your number.
unidentified		Okay, can you give me some other way to communicate with you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, call this number before the show tomorrow.
unidentified		Yeah?
		What time does that mean?
		Five minutes before, ten minutes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, five or ten minutes, anywhere from a half hour on before the program.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to that.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the best I can do for you.
		Obviously, I'm in the middle of a program right now, so I can't just stop and do it.
		I try to answer calls, I guess I should tell all of you, as I'm able to before and sometimes after a program.
		I can't always do it, but I try to do the best I can.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Going once.
unidentified		Yes.
		I'm calling from Fort Marsh, Florida.
		Well, good morning.
		Good morning.
		A week or so ago, on one of your programs, you mentioned a book that was written by a gentleman.
		I believe it was about an incident that happened in the Gulf War on the USS George Washington.
		Do you recall that book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't, ma'am.
unidentified		Is there any way you could research later on and mention that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the incident?
unidentified		Baby pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the incident?
unidentified		The book was about an incident.
		You didn't say.
		You just said it was an incident that the government or the Navy had kept secret or something until now.
		And this gentleman, I thought you said the author's name was Hudson, but I cannot get any information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're referring to a book called Black Alert.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
unidentified		It was Black Something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black Alert.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a book that we advertised for a while, written by Julian Hudson.
		And I'm going to tell you the best way I think that you can proceed.
		And that is to contact my network.
		And I'd be glad to give you the number.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's area code 541 664-8829.
unidentified		829.
		Yes.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and that'll be.
unidentified		And my last name is H-U-D-S-O-N?
		Yes.
		Okay, because I went to Barnes, my local Barnes and Noble, and they don't have anything on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you probably didn't have the title, and you didn't have the author's name, so they wouldn't be able to look it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that you've got the title and the author's name, they can order it.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, I sure do appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, take care.
		When you go to a bookstore, generally you've got to have something to go on.
		You can't say a book about this is something that happened in the Gulf War.
		You've got to have the author's name or the title of the book.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How's it going?
unidentified		My name's Rick in Arvada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		And I'm listening to you on K-How.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, in Denver.
unidentified		Yeah, and I was wondering, I've been reading this book lately.
		It's called The Illuminatis Trilogy.
		And I was wondering if you had knew anything about the Illuminatus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not allowed to say anything about it.
unidentified		You're not allowed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, as a 99th degree mason, they won't let me talk about the Illuminati.
unidentified		So you're a 99th degree Mason?
unidentified		If you wish to believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you want to say about the Illuminati?
unidentified		Well, I was just wondering if you had any insight onto what was going on, because I've been reading that book for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you should have insight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did the book teach you?
unidentified		The book is just teaching me a lot of weird stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
unidentified		There's a lot of startling realities into it.
unidentified		I was wondering what you thought about that whole situation, or if you believe that it's real or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not particularly.
unidentified		Not particularly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To tell you the truth.
unidentified		Well, yeah, you know.
unidentified		But I guess the book never got a chance to be classified as fiction or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you view it?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		I think maybe that it's not real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that it's not real.
		Well, then regard it as entertainment and enjoy reading, sir.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, they discovered another asteroid that's near the Earth, but they said that will miss the Earth.
unidentified		Did you hear about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but they're always discovering asteroids that are going to be near misses.
		and what i was wondering is whether we're going to hear about the one that will get us yellow Will Dan rather sit there and say, well, scientists today discovered an asteroid six to eight miles wide that is going to impact the Earth on Saturday?
		You think you'd hear about that?
unidentified		I believe so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think more likely you would see the breaking news logo after you felt the ground shake and you would hear CNN begin to report about what had just hit Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think is more likely.
unidentified		Yeah, we always hear about it when it's too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Like the bullet, sir, you never hear the one or see the one that gets you.
		And I'm told by astronomers, amateur and professional alike, that that is probably true.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Mario.
		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		This is the Art Bell Show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good guess.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		I've been dialing for hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you've made it.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		Tonight we were watching the eclipse and we were into the talking about different things and then we got into the discussion of the pyramids and I understand that you were talking about the pyramids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh yes.
unidentified		And I have read Graham Hancock's book which was very intriguing, The Fingerprints of the Gods.
unidentified		Footprints of the Gods, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fingerprints, actually.
unidentified		Fingerprints?
		Mm-hmm.
		Okay, I thought it was footprints, but okay, fingerprints.
		But anyway, from reading his other cohorts that he mentions in the book, something about Osiris, I read his other book.
		I'm trying to speak quickly so I don't take up too much of your time.
		But from all these different books about, I think it was Serpent.
		I'm sorry, I can't think of all the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you trying to say?
unidentified		Okay, what I'm trying to say is all these different theories with the shafts and all these things, what happened, something came to me as a revelation of the way things are lined up in the desert.
unidentified		Could these pyramids have been beacons?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've asked a central question that everybody is trying to answer.
		In other words, what are the pyramids?
		Why are they there?
		What lies beneath the Sphinx?
		And other chambers that have yet to be explored.
		There are many people, knowledgeable people, who think that there is a virtual library of information within the Sphinx.
		That is entirely possible.
		There has been a license issued to open the hidden chamber of the Sphinx in December of this year.
		And I know a lot more about this right now than I can tell you about.
		A lot of it will become, I think, apparent tomorrow night.
		So in the interest of not beginning a war here, I'm going to keep my mouth shut and say that you should listen tomorrow night, and I don't guarantee what you're going to hear.
		If that sounds overly dramatic to you, I'm sorry, but I'm trying to give you some sense that there's something dramatic, very dramatic going on without getting into it for the sake of the fact that by tomorrow night it may be resolved, and I only hope that it is, or it's going to be one rough ride tomorrow night.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Nathan Collins from San Antonio with the Mighty WAI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		I have a couple of questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You mentioned about the tones the other day, and I had gotten off work late.
		I missed the latter part of that conversation.
		What exactly were those tones that you were talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you didn't hear the show?
unidentified		No, I missed the...
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you do that?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll wait.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Jennifer, can you turn it down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jennifer, thank you.
unidentified		Jennifer, thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		there were some tones, an auto-dialer, that broke into the middle of a conversation after two and a half hours and began to auto-dial a certain number.
		We uh traced that number, or I should say uh determined what that number was, and it yields a very strange tone indeed.
		Um so something was in the middle of our line after two and a half hours of the line being open between Whitley Strieber and myself.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
		Okay, that's it.
		Interesting.
		Okay.
		Well, in fact, there was a Whitley Strieber symposium up in Austin that I was going to go to.
		I heard about that.
		Had you heard about that?
		No.
		Okay, I'd missed that.
		I wanted to go see that.
		Supposedly, he was going to speak there.
		I'd been understanding that he was from San Antonio, and I wanted to hear him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is, and I had him on the air for three hours the other night.
unidentified		You missed it?
		I did.
		I did.
		I listened to your show all the time, and I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you missed the show, and you missed the symposium.
unidentified		I do have another question for you.
unidentified		Do you mind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
		When we decide actually to send a probe to Mars and explore it, do they have any landing sites that are picked?
		I would imagine that the Pyramids of Elysian or whatever they're called would be one major site or those pyramids where the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sidonia is the region.
unidentified		Oh, Sidonia?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But my feeling is they will not go to Sidonia.
		They don't want to go to Sidonia.
		I appreciate the call.
		They don't want to review with orbiting craft Sidonia.
		For some reason, NASA has an aversion to going back to Sidonia.
unidentified		you tell me why You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		This is Steve from Santa Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
unidentified		I had an idea.
unidentified		The gentleman you were talking to last night, he was talking about out-of-body experiences and how he could go anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I thought, wouldn't it be great if he could go to that chamber underneath the Sphinx and report to you what he saw?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be great.
unidentified		And I thought, you know, he said he was pretty accurate when he was doing that with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100%.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And maybe would it be possible that you could arrange that with him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you have suggested it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he's listening, so maybe he'll do it.
unidentified		That'd be great, because then we could find out more or less kind of a preview of what it would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm willing to take anybody's remote-viewed answer.
		We're going to know in December.
		And I do believe that it is going to go forward.
		So if you can remote view it.
		Any psychics who want to make a rep for themselves, this is your chance.
		Those who travel out of body.
		Those who have various means of divining these things, submit it to me now.
		Who knows, you might be right.
		Then you'll have a big rep after December when they find exactly what you have described.
		It is a wonderful opportunity.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Earlier you were talking about the movie 7.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		At the end of it, did you, you may have to go back and watch it.
		He didn't blow him away because he killed his wife.
		He blew him away because the wife was pregnant and it was the baby he had cut out and he had in the box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't.
unidentified		It wasn't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was her head.
unidentified		Okay, we was watching it over the weekend and a friend of mine told him said it was her pregnant baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'd probably need to go back and re-watch it, sir.
unidentified		Okay, but the question I called about her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, it doesn't much matter, does it?
unidentified		Either way, yeah, he had it coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and either way, I put myself in that position, and it's an interesting question.
		That is to say, hold on the line for a second, sir.
		What it would take for you to kill?
		Have you ever thought about that?
		I thought about that today.
		When I watched Polly Klass's father take what I could not have, I could not have taken that.
		Of course, they got him out of there very quickly because they knew that if he'd had an opportunity, he'd kill the guy, and I would have too.
		I can tell you right now, because I really have sat down and I thought about it, if somebody killed a member of my family, I would not, if I had the opportunity to settle matters myself before the police settled them, I would do that.
		And I'd let a jury of my peers decide my fate.
		And if it meant jail or worse, then so be it.
		If somebody broke into my house with intent on doing me harm, I would have no compunction at all about blowing them away.
		None.
		And I can assure you, if I were in a situation as Mr. Klass had been in, if I could have put my hands around the guy's neck and choked the life out of him, I would have done it.
		Go ahead, sir.
unidentified		Okay, you're talking about you had your earlier interview with the man about the pieces from the crash?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The man was Dr. Marcel.
unidentified		Yeah, because about the first 15 minutes, I'm calling from Ludwig Hart, because our first 15 minutes, they didn't air your program.
unidentified		I didn't know if there was something in that 15 minutes they didn't want us to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, that's where all the secrets were told.
unidentified		I didn't know.
		They had something about a man, some other show, and I guess it crossed the line, and I didn't know if there was something.
		I just didn't know if you guys were talking about something important.
		We caught the last 45 minutes.
		This first 15 minutes, they didn't air your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where he described the beings that he watched cut up on the table.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He miss all that.
unidentified		All right, so we didn't really miss nothing important in the first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you really didn't.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right, Did you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		We're talking about the recollections, I believe, accurate and honest, of a young man who saw his father come home with what Dr. Marcel firmly today believes were pieces of an extraterrestrial craft.
		Described calmly and as best he was able to recall.
		By the way, for those of you who did not hear it and have seen the movie, I asked him about the material, you know, that supposedly crumpled and then opened right back up again.
		And Dr. Marcel recalls no such material and did not personally attempt to do that and did not see anybody else who did it.
		So short of the movie, which I'm disinclined to buy, I mean, I think it was some dramatic license, after all.
		They suggested that Dr. Marcel had a piece that he kept, which he did not.
		So it is possible that that supposed material that crumpled really never was.
		And that may be urban legend myth, ufology myth or something.
		At any rate, there you are.
		It was a very interesting, honest, open interview.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		I'll be out of me.
		Just a minute and a week.
		You've got to keep the eyes up on you.
		Your duty's up in your nightclub.
		Get it on.
		Back to the car.
		Get it on.
		Back to the car.
		Get it on.
		When you feel that they call, you've got a hug.
		Can't dance a hero.
		If you let it call, yeah.
		When you feel that you're going, you're going to be out.
		When it's alright, it's going to be right without it all.
		We gotta get right back to where we started from Do you remember that day?
		That was the sunny day When you first came my way, I said no one could take your faith.
		And if you get hurt, if you get hurt.
		I don't think I'm baby.
		I can set my back on your bed.
		You're listening to Mark Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and it's good to be here.
		It is a Thursday morning.
		In the first hour of the program, we had Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. on interviewed him about his dad and what happened 50 years ago in Roswell and what he remembered.
		Sorry if you missed it.
		We're into open lines now, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		You know what's going on in Israel right now with the Palestinians, about 55 dead.
		And this is either going to resolve itself peacefully at some point with all the overtures, or it's not.
		And the answer may be not.
		It may be the beginning of a civil war in Israel, what amounts to a civil war.
		And I never really did think that this was going to work out with the Palestinians.
		Obviously, it is not working out at the moment.
		And I don't think in the long term it is.
		And I don't think in our lifetimes the Israelis are going to make any sort of peace with the Palestinians or the Syrians.
		But it's a horrible situation, and it continues.
		Now, we were told about some place in Florida, a very interesting place, last hour, and I, frankly, have not been familiar with it.
		Art, the place in Florida is called the Coral Castle.
		That's from Linda in Fresno.
		Then I got this, too.
		Art, I saw a report on a gentleman in Florida several years ago.
		He said he discovered the secrets of the Great Pyramids and how they were built.
		He then proceeded to build a house for his deceased wife, who died years before, stating the secrets also revealed time travel.
		A door of that house or to that house weighs four tons.
		It is perfectly balanced and can be moved with a finger.
		Also a two-ton perfectly balanced rocking chair.
		This man one day disappeared without a trace.
		Isn't that fascinating?
		Well now, this one has escaped me somehow.
		Or this, dear art, the place in Florida is called the Coral Castle.
		Here it is again.
		I've been there.
		I'm trying to get through to you now.
		If you want, you can call me.
		Blah, blah, blah.
		This is Stu in Fort Lauderdale in Florida.
		Well, maybe I'll call him.
		I've got his number here.
		Hey, I ought to call Stu and find out what he knows about this place and about this story.
		It's kind of interesting.
		Could he have discovered, do you suppose, the secrets the ancient Egyptians had?
		And how in the world could he have done what he has done?
		Maybe I'll pick up the phone and call him.
unidentified		Purse
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Music All right, because I'm willing to do nearly anything anytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have Stu down in Florida, and he knows about this place called Coral Castle.
		Stu, welcome to the program.
		Wait a minute.
		There you are.
		Stu, are you there?
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about this place?
unidentified		Okay, well pretty much what the other fact you read was there's this very slight man from Valaski is where he came from.
		He was like about maybe five foot two, weighed about 105 pounds.
		And he built this house for his supposedly sweetheart.
		And the whole thing is carved out of solid slabs of coral.
		And there's a two-story structure there, which is built out of solid slabs of coral.
		And there's a fence around the property, which are made of, the walls of the fence are made of slabs of coral.
		And if you go outside the perimeter, you can see where the slabs of coral were lifted up out of the ground.
		Like if they were laid back down, they would fill the hole completely.
		But it's unimaginable how it was hewn out of a solid chunk of coral.
		And in this fence wall, there is a piece of coral maybe about four feet wide by about six or eight feet high with a spindle going through it.
		And it's so perfectly balanced that you can just push it with your finger and it'll spin around like a revolving door.
		There's all sorts of astrological shapes carved out of coral mounted on the walls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this thing, these stones weigh tons?
unidentified		Tons, tons.
		And there's primitive blocks and tackle there.
		Supposedly he did it all by himself with primitive block and tackle.
		And they say he had known the secrets of how the pyramids were built.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that a myth or is there some documentation?
unidentified		No, there's absolutely no documentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No documentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's probably a lot of myth that has grown up about this, but still, how could he have done that?
unidentified		Nobody knows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it's like nobody knows how we built the term nobody knows how this Supposedly, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Supposedly dead or disappeared?
unidentified		Yeah, I think he's passed on.
		Passed on.
		And it's a tourist attraction down in South Miami in the Homestead area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty selfish to, you know, leave the world with such incredible secrets.
unidentified		Yeah, I would imagine so.
		And it's a tourist attraction.
		I have some pictures of it that I've taken.
		If you'd like, I'll send them to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would love it.
unidentified		And I'll try and get some information from them and send it on to you also.
unidentified		If you like their phone number, they're in the phone book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wouldn't do me any good this time of the day, but photographs would be wonderful.
unidentified		Yeah, it's amazing.
		You look at it.
		You just wonder how somebody could have done this all by themselves, even with some heavy equipment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, if you send them, I'll put them up on the internet.
unidentified		I will get them out to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Stu.
		That's Stu in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
		So it's real.
		But it's hard for me to believe that somebody would have secrets of that magnitude and keep it to themselves and take it to their grave.
		Block and tackle?
		I don't think so.
		Four-ton stones, one man?
		I don't think so.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Eddie, and I'm calling from Omaha, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Eddie.
unidentified		I was just listening earlier this week somebody by the name of Al that was on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he was talking about sleep paralysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was last night.
unidentified		Yeah, and that was last night.
		He was very unconvincing.
		I've had the episode.
		And what he said wasn't very convincing to, I think, a lot of your viewers probably, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't have viewers, Eddie.
		I have listeners.
		This is radio.
unidentified		Yes, I mean listeners, I'm sorry.
		And I was just wondering if it was possible that there is another scenario in the sleep paralysis itself and that there's different kinds of sleep paralysis for different reasons, such as possibly UFOs and stuff like that.
		Well, maybe having something to do with it in some respects and maybe and not in others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not very convincing, Eddie.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you have proof, then on the other hand.
unidentified		Yes, that's what I was wondering if you could maybe commit to answering some questions in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could I answer that?
unidentified		Well, there's a lot of questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said he was not very convincing.
unidentified		I rather thought he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did everybody.
		Eddie, Eddie, Eddie's, please let me finish.
		I'm sorry, sir.
		He was, to me, convincing, and to many of my listeners, because I've got a million different facts.
		But having said what you said, it seems to me you're offering up a significantly more implausible explanation without any proof.
unidentified		Yes, that might be true.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Eddie.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're not buying into his explanation of the power of the mind, which seems rather plausible, and to me you're jumping to a rather implausible explanation, particularly for such a widespread phenomenon and attributing it to UFOs?
unidentified		UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Art?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, this is Tim from Omaha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		I have two Omaha calls in a row.
		True.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		I have a question for you.
unidentified		If you're driving along and somebody tails you in the car, what do you usually do if they want you to get out of your car and start a fight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I'm in a car and somebody is tailgating me, is that what you're asking?
unidentified		Right, and you pull into a restaurant and you're in the parking lot of the restaurant and they pull in behind you and want you to get out of your car, what would you do?
unidentified		Strange question, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a strange question.
unidentified		I know that you're probably packing.
		Can't help.
		So, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, are you asking whether I would shoot somebody over a tailgate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		I'm talking would you just drive away and what would you do if he followed you?
		For an amount.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, if somebody, look, if somebody came after me, I'm probably going to protect myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that answer your question?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
		I doubt that I would provoke a fight, but I doubt that I would walk away from one either.
		I mean, if somebody takes a swing at me, I'm going to swing back and have.
unidentified		I have one more question for you.
		Sure.
		You know, I think in Russia it's Mr. Levitz, I think it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Levitz.
unidentified		Levitz, yeah.
unidentified		I guess he's the one who's going to take over when Boris Yeltsin goes under the blade, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, the transfer of power has already occurred, and Mr. Yeltsin is in the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and And Mr. Lebed will retain power until Mr. Yeltsin is healthy enough to reclaim his office or goes to put under the blade, one of the two.
unidentified		Is it true that one of Mr. Levitt's icons is Francisco Franco?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I don't know.
unidentified		I think I read that in the paper somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's an interesting character, and what I have heard of Levitt is not necessarily all bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is a very traditional Russian and said to be fairly honest and not typical of a lot of Russians.
unidentified		I know you're coming up on a break here.
unidentified		I just want one quick, one more thing to add, that the other night I was watching the Tonight Show, or I think it was either Tonight Show or Cornin O'Brien, and they had Dan Aykroyd on, and he was talking about the Chupacabra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		He was.
unidentified		I guess Dan Aykroyd has a show coming up about, sort of like what you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He does.
unidentified		He does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't seem like...
		It wouldn't seem like Dan Aykroyd's kind of thing.
		I thought he was a comedian.
unidentified		Well, he was a Ghostbuster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Have a good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you too.
		Take care.
		It wouldn't seem like a natural subject for him.
		When I tackle these topics, I try and do it seriously.
		Oh, I will walk off into humor occasionally, but I try and treat these subjects seriously.
		And I would think that would be very difficult for Mr. Aykeroyd.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm calling from Galveston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I wanted to talk about that guy who just called a little while ago.
		He said about an old guy in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who built a structure with stones and nobody can figure out a corner?
unidentified		A coral.
		Yeah, I saw that in Search of.
		I don't remember the name either, but I remember it was pretty remarkable looking.
		And the guy was, they said he was about 105 pounds.
		He's a very frail old man and he somehow got this stuff to...
		I mean, it was some amazing stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe he built the blocks in place.
		Anybody consider that?
		That's been suggested about the pyramids as well.
		If you could not carry or move the blocks, and nobody today can figure out how they did that, maybe they built them, literally poured them in place.
unidentified		Yeah, it could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One possibility.
unidentified		Yeah, and I wanted to comment about that monster who said that stuff to Polyclaus' father.
		I mean, that guy, He couldn't die soon enough, man.
		I mean, you're absolutely right.
		That guy, I mean, if he did that to my daughter, I would...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there are conditions under which a reasonably well-balanced person is capable of murder.
		And it would be murder.
		There's no question about that.
		But I wouldn't hesitate.
unidentified		I know, I wouldn't either.
unidentified		I mean, he's scum, and he'll be seeing, like Mr. Clark said, he'll be seeing Hitler and Dahmer, all the rest in hell pretty soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I believe that too.
		Thank you.
		Young, that affected me.
		Watching that encounter in the courtroom and listening to that bastard absolutely affected me, and it began a process of my thinking about killing.
		It's a pretty terrible thing to think about, isn't it?
		But I guarantee you.
		I guarantee you, had I been that man, I could have killed him without a second thought.
		And I would have tried.
		And if somebody messed with somebody in my family and killed them or attempted to harm them, I would have no compunction.
		I guarantee you, I would take them out and deal with the consequences later.
		Have you ever thought about that?
		And I think most reasonable people, well-balanced, reasonable people under those circumstances are absolutely capable of murder.
		Whatever you want to call it, I suppose the DA would call it murder and charge you, so be it.
		I think the average, well-balanced person is absolutely capable of it.
		How about you?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jonathan in Seattle, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I just wanted to say thank you very, very much for informing your listeners last night about the space shuttle reentry.
unidentified		I was lucky enough to be on my way home from work when I heard you announce this, and I got home to West Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now I read a pax, and we were an hour, the person who sent the pax was wrong by an hour.
unidentified		Right, right.
		But luckily, my drive is about an hour long.
		I got home, turned on the news about 15 minutes prior to its skating the atmosphere, and it was unbelievably spectacular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I, of course, went outside.
		I determined to, I was watching the CNN after the program, and I found out it was an hour off, and it was due to land at 5.13.
		So I figured somewhere around 5 o'clock or 15 minutes before it would touch down or 20 minutes, I would see it here.
		But we didn't see it here.
		I knew it was going to be seen in Seattle.
		What did you see, and where was it?
		Where did it come across the sky?
unidentified		It was exactly coming out of the, it would be the west-northwest area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You know, over the Pacific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I was lucky enough to be standing there when I was just struck, just dumbfounded, because I literally was looking in the right direction at the right time, and it just started to spark slowly and then burn solidly just at the horizon line, just above the horizon.
unidentified		And it followed almost a straight line across the horizon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, I would imagine the people up further north in Canada and then maybe even in Alaska got quite a show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It probably came right up above them.
unidentified		Right.
		It was my time.
		It was 4.42.
		And then I followed the CNN report from NASA, and it landed exactly 35 minutes later in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got to see it once, and it was incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It began on the western horizon about 20 degrees above the horizon as kind of an orange blur.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And suddenly, that orange blur turned into an orange streak, and it just went flying right across the horizon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely awesome.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Just fabulous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear a boom?
unidentified		No.
		Could not hear any sound.
		I think it was probably too far north.
		By the CNN indicator, it was right on the border of Washington and Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see what some Canadians were able to observe.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's open the line.
		Thank you very much for Canada.
		Let me see.
		Would everybody else on the west of the Rockies line hold up for a moment during this break?
		I want to hear from Canada.
		Did anybody in Canada, maybe up in Alberta, that would have been about, seems like ground zero for an overhead pass.
		Anybody up there happen to catch the re-entry?
		When you do, and when it is close, it is absolutely awesome.
		And of course, it depends on the final orbit, that is to say, who's going to see it.
		Sometimes it comes across, literally right across Central California.
		Really, really cool.
		So if you're in Canada and you saw it, call me at 1-800-825, whoops, correction, 1-800-618-8255.
		Canada, 1-800-618-8255, or Alaska.
		Now, the Alaskans may also have been treated to quite a show.
		I'm glad that some of you realized the person who sent me the packs was off by about an hour, but I'm sure you went to CNN, and so many of you must have seen it.
		All right, we'll pause here at the bottom of the hour.
		This is open line, unscreened, live talk radio.
		Even I have no idea what is coming next, and I like it like that.
		So if you want To be the next one coming, get on the phone now.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September
		26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Her hair is a hollow gold sweet cry.
		Her hair's never cold.
		She's got better days inside.
		She's turned a new thing on.
		You won't have to think twice.
		She's pure and new young.
		She's got better days inside.
		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to people in Fairbanks and Anchorage during the break and they had nothing but clouds so they didn't see it but it looks like as you move east a little bit Hi there.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're up in Alberta, eh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you go out and take a look?
unidentified		I did.
		I'm not into the astrological things, but after talking to you, I just had to see it.
		And?
		I had to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you wandered out, and what did you see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did it cross the sky?
unidentified		It crossed right over the horizon, going eastward, kind of southeast.
		Bright red-orange streak.
		Wow.
		It was cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it came, you'd say the horizon, it went directly overhead?
unidentified		Well, a little bit south of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit south, but that's what it looked like to me.
unidentified		I'm just looking around in the building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You probably had the premier view then.
unidentified		Probably.
unidentified		Looked good to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it really is neat to see that shuttle come back.
unidentified		I work graveyard shifts at an alarm company also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And that beeping sound you wanted to know if it was an alarm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Can you play it back and I'll check and see if it sounds like anything we used?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd have to go hunt up the number again.
		I did that the other day.
		You didn't hear it when I...
		Well, I hate to do it again.
		Maybe I will, though.
		I'll see if I can hunt up the number.
unidentified		If it sounds like a bunch of really quick beeps with a pause between them, that's what alarms sound like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was obviously looking for a response of some kind.
		So that's my best guess.
		Thank you very much.
		So there you are.
		See, Alberta got a pretty good look.
		I thought Alberta would be about right.
		Now, the Alaskans would have had a good look had it not been for nearly total cloud cover over Fairbanks and Anchorage.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Arpel.
		Yes.
		Hi, I just have a quick question on if you've been any of those conferences up in Minnesota, UFO conferences?
		Have you been on any of those yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never.
unidentified		Never.
unidentified		I was wondering, do you know of any that's coming up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was one just in Tampa, and I'm not, frankly, certain where the next one is coming, but they're coming almost on a monthly basis now.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, why are you wanting to go to one?
unidentified		I'm going to the one in Minnesota on October 5th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		I was wondering if you do any of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not yet.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not yet.
		I'm sitting on a lot of things that I could be doing, and I am not doing.
		Thank you.
		I'll tell you, I have heard in the last two days, I've heard from CBS that wants to do a story.
		I got a call from CBS, as a matter of fact, today.
		Strange Universe, HardCopy, two other major networks that I can't mention.
		I have heard from more networks lately.
		I've heard from everybody but Peter Jennings.
		I haven't heard from ABC.
		Let me put it this way.
		I've heard from every major network save ABC.
		All of them want to do something or another, and I am just, I have just not been, you know me, in television.
		I don't like TV.
		And these TV folks can't understand that.
		They just don't understand it.
		And I know how they feel.
		I mean, it is their medium and their baby.
		But I have always felt, I really have always felt, and I really still do.
		And, you know, they really try to tempt you.
		I mean, we're talking money here.
		They try to tempt you into doing television.
		And I don't think it's a good idea.
		And of course, I've been invited to a million of the UFO conferences, and I could be jetting all across the country all the time, and I haven't done that either.
		So I try to stay focused on what I'm doing here.
		And I have this feeling that if I go and try to do, you know, it's the Peter principle, that people will eventually rise to a level of incompetency or to a job for which they are not competent.
		And I like doing what I do here.
		And so I'm hesitant to go out and do other things.
		Maybe I'll someday get over that, I don't know, or maybe not.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		KQMS are in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello there.
unidentified		So if I go on vacation with you, do I get to follow you and Mona around?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's going to be.
unidentified		I really want to know, because if I don't, I'm not going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, uh, are you going?
unidentified		If I don't get to follow you guys around and party with you guys, then I'm not going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are there to meet with people, so yes.
unidentified		Because I want to watch you eat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to watch me eat.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do copious amounts of that on cruises.
unidentified		Everybody does cruise.
		I dad.
		I've seen those commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's actually, it's totally deadly.
		I mean, they feed you the best food.
		I mean, the best food in the world, all you want, any time of day or night.
		And there is no way to go on that cruise without coming back with more pounds.
unidentified		No, seriously, I mean, you know, the pyramids are there for many lifetimes.
unidentified		We only have you for one lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, fortunately, it's this one.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		So, you know, the reason I have to know is because I'm saving up to go to that Farside Institute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to become a remote viewer.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		I thought it was really cool.
		You know what I really like about it?
		It's like half the metaphysical type thing and half scientific.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a metaphysical discipline with, I guess, a metaphysical experience with a scientific discipline applied to it.
unidentified		Yeah, I thought that made it really attractive to me.
unidentified		Because, you know, I think people go really overboard on that New Age thing sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes.
		You know, sometimes.
		But, you know, for example, the guest I had on last night.
unidentified		No, no, he had excellent credentials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really buy into that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've not done it, but I felt the beginnings of it, and I have a feeling he's dead right.
unidentified		Orson, I want to tell you something else.
		You know what?
		I used to smoke cigarettes, and I got this subliminal tape, and I haven't smoked cigarettes since May.
		And the catalog that I got it out of has this tape in there called Freedom from Allergies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And it's supposed to use your subconscious to keep you for being allergy-free.
unidentified		I bet you would really work for mona's asthma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds pretty touchy-feely to me.
unidentified		It's not.
		In fact, I did, you know, I read the messages.
		And see, Dr. Jonathan Parker is one of the, they carry a lot of his stuff.
		But the messages that they give you are, they're very psychologically sound, very psychologically sound principles.
		Yes.
		And they really cover all aspects of whatever habit that you're trying to conquer.
		It's very, very interesting.
		And I think I'm going to send you a catalog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, dear, I'll look forward to it.
		Thank you.
		I firmly believe, and that's why you see me into these topics, and that's why you see me treat them seriously.
		Because I firmly believe that we are more than just our shell, our bodies.
		Our minds are capable of things that we have not yet begun to dream about.
		There are things out there, I'm going to begin to sound like Neil Armstrong, but there really are things out there that we have not begun to explore yet.
		And I think more and more people these days are waking up to that fact.
		And so you hear me do a lot of that sort of thing.
		My wife is in her second day of a pretty serious asthma attack.
		And so that's taken a lot out of me in the last day or so.
		She has asthma.
		The poor gal has had it since she was a child.
		And it's a pretty serious attack.
		Not as serious yet as the last one, but very serious.
		Disabling.
		I mean, to the point where you can only sit and concentrate on trying to breathe.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Morning, Art.
		How you doing?
		Okay.
		A couple of quick things.
		I was talking about the guy in Homestead about the coral.
		Yes.
		Yeah, he was featured on Unsolved Mysteries.
		I'm not sure it was one of the old reruns.
		Right.
		And what they were talking about, he would be working, and people would come up and see him lifting things with his fingertips, and he'd stop whatever he was doing and talk to him and answer all the questions and stand there and wait for him to leave.
		And when they left, he'd go right back to doing his work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why would a man with an incredible secret like that take it to his grave?
unidentified		I don't know.
		It was one of the strange things about him, too.
		They said he would never ask anything direct, any answer to any direct questions about how he did things, but just would tell that he had the secret to how to build the pyramids.
		And maybe he just didn't want the secret to get out, and it was too something that was too powerful for anybody else to understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really intriguing, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, that's something.
		And about Dan Aykroyd, I want to say he was about him.
		He's real serious about the UFOs and different things like that when he made that interview with him when he was making my, I guess, my stepmother's an alien.
		And he was talking about he'd like to get an interest in, he's interested in UFOs and different things like that.
		So I think he would take it pretty seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would hope so.
		You know, if he's going to do something on it, I would hope he would take a serious approach to it.
		Otherwise, he ought not do it.
unidentified		Oh, this is Scott, by the way, from Tennessee, WPN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Scott.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thanks a lot, John.
unidentified		Enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		There is an awakening going on across America to things that people used to laugh at or scoff at, and they're not laughing anymore, and they're not scoffing, and they're beginning to pay attention.
		And I'm frankly glad to see it.
		I began looking at this sort of thing many years ago in talk radio, and I would do a number of shows.
		I would simply deviate every now and then because I got sick of talking about nothing but the news or politics more specifically.
		And so I've done interviews in all of these areas, and we've had discussions for years about these kinds of things, and now all of a sudden I see the rest of the country beginning to come around.
		And it's a kind of an awakening, and it's a positive thing.
		I believe it is a Very positive thing.
		There are still many who sit on the sidelines and chuckle away.
		Well, let them do so.
		There is more to life than that, which is apparent from a material point of view.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Jim from Omaha?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		On your Carl Castle?
		Yes.
		Remember the old series In Search of Leonard Nimoy?
		Sure.
		They had a special on this, a 30-minute program on this.
		Right.
		And I copied the program.
		And this gentleman originally built this place, and he got mugged in this place, and he moved it 30 miles.
		And the interviews they did with people that, truck driver, he rented a truck and had the driver go around the corner and come back in a few minutes and got a load of these big rocks and they moved them 30 miles.
		And he wrote a book called Magnetic Current.
		Never was published.
		Never sold.
		But there is a television show on that Carl Castle.
		It shows some home films of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he must have known something, again, to take it to the grave.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, the people that he got the land from originally when he showed up, he told the owner, which was his only friend, that he discovered the, which they interviewed, the secrets how they did the pyramids.
		They got the home film of him in his coral castle.
		And what happened to him, he put suit on, went to town one day, taken himself into the hospital, and died in the hospital.
		He had tuberculosis.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		But if I ever get a copy of that, I'll send it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to that.
		Thank you.
		In the meantime, there is somebody who's going to send photographs that he took, and we'll get those up on the web.
		That is amazing, isn't it?
		Can you imagine taking a secret like that to your grave?
		On the other hand, somebody said that the technology, or maybe that's the wrong word, the power that he had discovered was too significant to give to the world now.
		Maybe he had a point.
		I mean, we are not exactly the quintessential gentle civilization that one might hope we would be someday, eh?
		So we would probably use it to drop four-ton blocks on our enemy.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes, this is Mark from Murfreesboro.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mark.
unidentified		Yes, North, I wanted to ask Art Bell about the possibility of getting Jacques Vallée on the show.
		Oh, Art.
		Yes.
		Yes, Jacques Villais.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Send me his number.
unidentified		Okay, I can do that.
		I can fax it to you.
		Can you give me your fax number?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Area code 702-727-8499.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And one other thing I wanted to say about the Roswell, Arts Park.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It could be a government, the faction of the government that Dr. Boylan was talking about a couple of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
unidentified		They may be trying to throw you a, what do you call it, you know, to hook you, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've done a good job.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've done a good job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm hooked.
unidentified		Yeah, but, I mean, it could not be.
unidentified		It's possible that it's not from, you know, some flying saucer from outer space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course it's possible.
		But either way, sir, it's a big story because either they have created this or did create it sometime in the past in their work in trying to get a lifting body or a saucer or whatever you want to call it, our own government, or it's from elsewhere.
		Either way, it's a pretty big story, wouldn't you say?
unidentified		Yes, sir, and I like your open-mindedness and your carefree attitude that you have to your show and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an attitude about life, not just my show, sir.
		It is manifested in the program that I do.
		Thank you.
		I am pretty much open to anything.
		Why not?
		If you close your mind, then you're very likely going to miss something important eventually, aren't you?
		Now, an open mind will no doubt attract things that are without meaning on occasion.
		We see plenty of that here.
		But then also on occasion, you will stumble into things that with a closed mind would have passed you by in the night unnoticed.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Paul from Green Bay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, how are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to help you out with a couple of things you've been talking about for the past few days.
		All right.
		One was, have you ever heard of narcolepsy?
		Yes.
		And that's what they call the sleep paralysis.
		No.
		Okay.
		I have been told that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Narcolepsy, sir, is a, I believe, an illness where people are prone to falling asleep right in the middle of their daily activities, being at work, that kind of thing.
unidentified		Right, but I was told, because I had the sleep paralysis for quite a long time, and I was told that it's like another form of narcolepsy.
unidentified		It's actually a mild form of epilepsy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that may be.
		It's been called a grand or minor malseizure.
		So that could be.
unidentified		Yeah, and the guests that you had on seems to every time that I had the episodes, there's always been a demon or something dark that was poking at me or trying to get at me.
unidentified		So I was very skeptical about some of the the uh explanation that he gave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um well, an awful lot of people uh sir came on and verified uh exactly what it was that he said.
		If you listen carefully, an awful lot of people came on and uh verified.
		And I've had, I don't know, a million faxes and uh emails, people that have experienced it, people who said thank you.
		You know, I thought I was the only one, that kind of thing.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Getting there.
		Off.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Boys Yahoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, it's Bill.
		You have that strange almond telephone thing.
		Did you figure out what that was?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm working on the idea of an alarm system right now, but no, it's not settled yet.
unidentified		No problem.
		Well, I heard the sound yesterday.
		And if it's the same one, you can find out.
		Unfortunately, I don't have a telephone number here for you, but I'm sure one of your calls can give it to you.
		U.S. Naval Observatory has a time telephone number to call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And it gives you two pitches and a tone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And it's not looking for anything back, but it just bursts out real quick, takes about seven seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this thing was looking for an answer of some kind.
unidentified		I was listening to it on your web page, and it sounds the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
unidentified		I was listening to it on the web page that you have?
unidentified		On the internet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listening to what?
unidentified		Oh, the sound.
		It was the display.
		No, they've got it up there?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll be damned.
		I didn't know that.
		They're quick.
		Oh, I know.
		Listen, Keith is so fast.
		He gets stuff up there sometimes before I even ask.
		And this is another case of that.
unidentified		But check it out.
		Last I knew there wasn't a 1800 number for it.
		But when I dial it from my computer at work to set the time on the machine, if I leave the modem on, it sounds like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		No, my modem does not sound like that.
		No modem sounds like that.
		It may be that an alarm system look sounds like that.
		But modems are very distinctive.
		Slower speed modems with what appears to sound like a single tone, a very different sound for the higher speed modems.
		It's also not a fax tone.
		We'll be back.
unidentified		You're listening to ArcBell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
		Dean Adele.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We had one hour early on with Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
		Somebody writes, Art, I was just listening to your interview with Dr. Marcel.
		I was hoping you'd ask him if he was familiar with Art's parts and if they resembled what he had handled when he was living in Roswell.
		Well, in a sense, I did.
		He mentioned some materials that sounded very, very much like the alleged skin of the spacecraft that we have, blackened on one side.
		A charcoal, kind of, not plastic, of course, but a layered material.
		And that's why I asked him whether any of the material appeared to be layered, and he had not examined it that closely.
		So it is a very fine layering indeed, as you know, of bismuth and magnesium.
		And so I went that far.
		Arnhouse Comet.
		There's a little picture of my cat.
		Comet is doing by the day, leaps and bounds better.
		Whatever became of that rumor that Chuck Harter had been abducted by a black helicopter, is there any truth to it?
		Of the show, board op at WGL, Jeff, in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
		Just can only tell you, Jeff, that I, too, have heard that rumor.
		Doesn't mean it's true.
		Doesn't mean it's not.
		Good morning, Art.
		Jesse Marcel Jr. was an interesting person.
		With regard to the factualness of his report, it was obvious, as you pointed out, that he was not embellishing the account at all.
		There are two things that bear further investigation, if I were him.
		His father's effects that are in storage, yes, of course.
		I'd have gone through those with a fine-tooth comb.
		Secondly, I'd make every attempt to try and decipher those symbols on the beam.
		Of course, the only way that could be done, if at all, would be through regressive hypnosis, and he does not seem amenable to that.
		So here we are with a mystery.
		Exactly correct.
		We are left with, as is always the case, it seems, a mystery.
		So it's open lines.
		I can tell you this.
		We have unusual conditions going on.
		Shortwave is extremely depressed at the moment by magnetic storms that are going on.
		We had a full moon eclipse earlier in the evening.
		A red moon.
		I went out and saw it.
		It was incredible.
		And there is a lot of radiation washing over Mother Earth at the moment.
		So it'll be an interesting night, and I suspect people will be affected by it, as they always are by a full moon, and perhaps more so with a magnetic storm underway.
unidentified		So who knows?
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		Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The thing about the Coral Castle, I have a 10-assorted snapshot prints here, and I'd like to send them to you if I could get your address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would love it.
		Are you ready?
		Yes.
		It's Art Bell, Post Office Box 4755 in Perump.
		Don't laugh at that.
		P-A-H-R-U-M-P.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zip code 89041-4755.
unidentified		Okay, also he had made that castle for his sweetheart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I heard, yeah.
unidentified		And after he died, they contacted her to see if she'd like to see it, and she didn't want anything to do with it.
		Really?
		Yes, I thought that was very sad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gratitude for you.
unidentified		Right, but there's like 10 different snapshots.
		There's a panorama, a map of Florida, moon fountain, nine-ton gate, Polaris telescope, heart-shaped table, giant obscillus, Mars, Saturn, and Crescent, bedroom and bath, and sundial.
		And it was very strange because he lived, you know, the sundial, they said that that's the way he lived.
		He was like from the Dark Ages or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a lot of things we don't understand.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But it's a beautiful place, and I will send you these snapshots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to it.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll take the best of what I get and get it up on the web.
		You know what else?
		I've got some really incredible shots of the pyramids.
		Boy, you know, that brings to mind again the, I want to tell you about the cruise.
		And I'm not going to go all through it.
		I'm just going to tell you that we're going to Athens, Greece, Cairo, Egypt.
		We're going to Giza, the pyramids, the Sphinx.
		Going to Israel, Jerusalem, Haifa.
		We're going to the Greek Isles, and they are absolutely spectacular.
		Going to Naples, Italy.
		Pompeii.
		Boy, do I want to see Pompeii.
		The Isle of Capri.
		We're going to Rome, Italy.
		It's all on the Mozdom.
		It's a cruise.
		It's luxury.
		It's the best ship I've ever been on.
		It's the same one we were on this last trip.
		Except this time we're going to some places that I really, really, really want to go to.
		It is a year from October 1st.
		You've got plenty of time, but you don't.
		You don't have plenty of time.
		In other words, as always, we book this far ahead of time.
		And as always, it books very, very quickly.
		And we quickly reach a state where it is sold out.
		Boy, am I looking forward to this.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Ed in Finland, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Ed?
unidentified		Okay.
		A couple of very diverse questions.
		First, Jackie Gleason, the late comedian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He was very interested in UFOs, and I wonder if you ever heard the story that he actually saw the bodies of E.T.s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that rumor floating around.
unidentified		Yeah, he was a friend of President Nixon, and he asked Nixon to see the bodies, and I just heard vaguely a little bit about it, and I wonder, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I cannot confirm it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I heard the same rumor.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's something.
		And also, you know, I'm interested in Nicola Tesla.
		And there was a city in Northern California named after Tesla.
		And I can't find too much information about it.
		And I wonder if anybody out there might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose that would be Tesla, California, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		That's it.
		It was near Livermore, California.
		That's all I know about it.
		And it was in the 1890s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose the entire city runs on free power, right?
unidentified		Well, I think the city disappeared.
unidentified		So I've heard a little bit about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The city, excuse me, disappeared?
unidentified		Disappeared.
		It was a coal mining area and then became a ghost town.
		Now I think it's just a cow pasture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		The city named after Tesla disappeared.
		I thought it meant actually physically disappeared.
		First time caller align, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hey, Ark.
		Hello.
		Yeah, this is Mark in KEX slash COVO country.
		I'm headed up there.
		Say, when you go to Israel, you ought to go to the tomb of the patriarchs in what town is that in?
		It's in Hebron.
		Okay.
		Supposedly, underneath it is the tomb of Abraham and Isaac and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The last person to go down there was a 12-year-old girl, Nimosha.
		Diane sat down because the opening is so small.
		Yes.
		And she said that she saw a phone in like a, what would you call it, a pier that's like the body lays on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that's just, I think that'd be an interesting thing since you're, you know, into going into strange little areas like under the sinks and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I'm not 12, and I'm not little.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
unidentified		You know, but, you know, that is an interesting place, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, my wife is fairly small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe she'd crawl down there.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a good idea.
		Well, your son is bigger than you.
		I saw the picture of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's gigantic.
unidentified		Yeah, he is.
		But anyway, apparently there hasn't been an adult down there, you know, well, I guess about 30 years before the Six-Day War or whatever it was, some British people, like, bribed the guard there and actually went down in there.
		The Khalif of that town at the time found out about it and concreted over the opening.
		He used to be able to go down there.
		But there are stories like people have seen Abraham's wife's ghost down there and things like that.
		Pretty strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll check it out.
		Thank you.
		You know, most of the world, the rest of the world, and Americans don't necessarily realize this until you do some traveling, but in most parts of the world, bribery is the norm.
		And when you want to get something and get somewhere and get something done, you bribe.
		I mean, that's all there is to it.
		In most of the rest of the world, South America, Asia, especially in Asia, and certainly in Eastern Europe, that is absolutely true.
		Russia, China, most of the rest of the world operates on bribe.
		I know it's a horrible thing to have to contemplate, but it really is quite true.
		You can bribe your way into about anything.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Hey, yes.
		Art?
		Yes.
		I was telling you about Dan Aykroyd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I saw him on Rosie O'Donnell's talk show.
		Yes.
		He was talking about that show, and he's very serious about it.
		He's been working with several scientific groups, and they have, don't quote me on this, but I believe what he said they were going to do or going to reenact some actual stories that they've investigated and found to be trustworthy.
		And this group that he's been working with has disproved several false things that people have been reporting.
		And they hunt down true stories, investigate them, and then on the show they are supposedly going to reenact them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am suspicious of that.
unidentified		Yeah, they're going to do it sort of like the X-Files, he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see.
		All right, well, thank you.
		I am suspicious of that, reenactments.
		I could envision, for example, a reenactment of the Roswell mystery.
		But why would that necessarily be any more accurate or reliable than anybody else's?
		For example, the interview we did in the first hour tonight, I think, is as close to hearing what really happened as you're going to hear.
		That was Jesse Marcel Jr., and he told us what he really saw and what he didn't see.
		And unfortunately, when you do reenactments and you're doing something for dramatic value, you know, as in a television show, you're under pressure to make it interesting.
		And I'm sorry, and no reflection on Dan Aykroyd, and I'm sure that it will come out just fine, but there's pressure to make it look better than it was.
		And even the movie Roswell, which even Jesse Marcel said was fairly faithful, found it necessary to put twists in the story, the unfolding foil, which Jesse never saw, the piece which Jesse supposedly took or kept, which in real life he did not.
		And it's a little difficult to separate myth from reality, and when you're doing things in reenactments, it's, I think, too tempting for people in the TV industry to include things that ought not be.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, yeah.
		About the chupacabra?
		Yes.
		Did you hear anything about a study that was done by some scientists in Central America where they looked at some of the victims of the so-called chupacabra and they found that the bite marks and the nature of the attacks matched the attacks typical of wild dogs and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course I've heard that.
		How does that account, though, for the hundreds or even thousands of animals that have been found with the bite marks on their neck and all the blood drained?
		Dogs don't drain blood.
unidentified		Well, I mean, blood's a really good source of protein.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but you're missing the point, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With just two bite marks on the neck, there is no dog I know of that can drain all the blood from an animal.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I think you get a lot of hysteria, like, you know, when, you know, someone talks about a goat sucker and then suddenly every attack is associated with the chupacabra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		It's like UFOs.
		Not everything people see in the sky is an alien spaceship.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, Jackie Gleason, you know, seeing extraterrestrials left up with that.
		I mean, I just, you know, I just think it's funny how people are so quick to sort of jump to all these conclusions, you know, like this new species of a goat sucker.
		I mean, like a new animal is going to suddenly appear or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I just think it's really incredulous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's think about this a little bit.
		There's a lot of incredulous stuff, sir, that goes on, but it's nevertheless true, like the castle that we've been hearing about this morning.
		Now, that's...
unidentified		Didn't he use the block and tackle or something, though?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe you'd like to answer for us how it was done.
unidentified		I can't answer it, but I mean, I'm sure there's an explanation.
unidentified		I'm just not really quick to believe, like, you know, all this sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that animals become as species become extinct?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do believe that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it unreasonable to believe that new species appear?
unidentified		No.
		I mean, I think, yeah, that happens for sure, but not by such a big leap as you know something that sucks blood, you know, feeds in a completely different manner than well you said it yourself, blood is protein.
		Uh yeah, that's true.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of things, you know, I think bats bats drink blood, don't they?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it is not unreasonable to believe that there would be a creature that would sustain itself with the with protein and blood.
unidentified		Well, yeah, that's true, and a lot do, but why would it suddenly appear now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why are species becoming extinct now?
unidentified		Well, because man is taking away his habitat, or animals' habitat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very small cause.
		It is indeed a cause.
		Or maybe it's a big cause.
		I don't know.
		But there are species that become extinct without the help or the hindrance of man.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true also.
unidentified		I mean, it's a natural process also, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that there could be a new creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's like asking why are there new diseases?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, that's, well, you have a good point.
		But I just I think, you know, for a new sort of a new animal that's so different from anything that's previously been described that flies and jumps around like a little, you know, some sort of vampire dinosaur.
		I mean, the descriptions are so weird from a few things I've read.
		It just, I don't know.
		And, you know, how is it suddenly, you know, how does it radiate so fast?
		It's seen in Mexico and then suddenly it's in, you know, New England or something.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are questions I don't have answers for.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't heard about New England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where has it been seen there?
unidentified		Well, I thought I heard in Massachusetts or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, here you go now spreading new information.
unidentified		I haven't heard it was in New England.
unidentified		There's an article in Outside Magazine, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		All right, sir, thank you.
		All right, so the Chupacabra now seen in New England.
		Tisk, tisk, sir, spreading rumors like that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, sir.
unidentified		I'm coming from Burfersboro, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is the first time I've called.
unidentified		I've only heard you twice, and I must say I'm very impressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		Two questions.
unidentified		Number one, my grandmother lives in Sumner County, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And for years and years, we've seen helicopters go by without any markings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black helicopters.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I guess so black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is one important thing I must ask you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen Chuck Harder?
unidentified		Have I seen what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chuck Harter.
unidentified		No, I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you haven't.
		All right.
		I mean, hanging out or waving or screaming for help or something.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so helicopters.
unidentified		Right.
		And number two, and I'll hang up and listen to you.
		I was told to ask what the arts parts are.
		He said it would be very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is very interesting, and that's a very difficult question, but I'll try and answer it in a nutshell.
		Arts parts were sent anonymously from Charleston, South Carolina by a man who claims his father was on the retrieval team at Roswell, New Mexico, and he claims these parts are from a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle of some kind.
		We received them better than a half year ago, and we have been testing them all over the country, in labs all over the country.
		We have a lot of anomalous results.
		As a matter of fact, right now, we have got a video that you can get just by going up to my website.
		It will run on any 486 computer with a MathCode processor.
		You can download it.
		You can see the tests that were run at Redstone Arsenal down in Alabama.
		And they are completely anomalous, absolutely fascinating.
		We've had them at Carnegie in Washington.
		We've talked to rare metals manufacturers.
		And so far, nobody knows what we've got.
		That's what we affectionately call Arts Parts.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
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		Tonight's program originally aired September 26, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Open lines this evening, tomorrow night, Zachariah Sitchin, followed by Graham Hancock and Robert Baval, and maybe more.
		And I don't want to give anything away right now.
		I just want to tell you that there is a gargantuan struggle going on regarding what's going to occur at Giza in December.
		And it's like, I want to tell you more, But I know better.
		It would be a disservice right now to a number of individuals were I to open my mouth.
		And I'm dying to say what I want to say, but I guess 24 hours, we can wait 24 hours.
unidentified		Coast of Coast AM is happy to announce that our website is now optimized for mobile device users, specifically for the iPhone and Android platforms.
		Now you'll be able to connect to most of the offerings of the Coast website on your phone in a quick and streamlined fashion.
		And if you're a Coast Insider, you'll have our great subscriber features right on your phone, including the ability to listen to live programs and stream previous shows.
		No special app is necessary to enjoy our new mobile site.
		Simply visit CoastToCoastAM.com on your iPhone or Android browser.
		Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Music Boy, I hope you're going to come along on this next cruise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know how cool cruises are?
		Instead of, you know, going to this many places, you would normally have to get on an airplane and pack and unpack and pack and unpack and go into hotels, and it's horrible.
		Horrible.
		Even though you're seeing exotic locations and having a blast, this packing, unpacking business is horrible.
		With a cruise, you have your own room, cabin, and it's home.
		And so the ship docks, and you take the minimum amount of stuff you want to have a good time that day, and you go ashore, and you have fun.
		You have great fun.
		And then you come home, and all your things are in the cabin.
		So if you have never been on a cruise, I urge you to consider this next one that we're going on.
		It's going to be incredible.
		Really incredible.
		And it's an easy way to go as compared to the alternative.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Artis Russell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, a couple of comments here.
		First, over there in Israel.
		There's no hope for peace unless Israel's either wiped off the face of the map or Palestine as their own state.
		And I don't see that happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not going to happen.
		And the Palestinians and the Syrians and others, more quietly, are going to continue to want Israel to disappear from the face of the earth.
		And eventually it's going to come down to blows.
unidentified		And I kind of see that as also what's going on in Bosnia, you know, as soon as...
unidentified		As soon as we leave, it's an all-out massacre, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		And probably President Clinton is going to get a Nobel Peace Prize for what he has done.
		And my question at this point would be, when all hell breaks loose, can they take it back?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		and saying let's look at Haiti and Northern Ireland.
		I mean, this is all...
		It's just imagery.
		You know, it's all it seems like that's all this guy's interested in, is delaying the inevitable.
		It's a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
		There's no substance to any of his policies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
		I don't, look, I don't fault him for trying in Bosnia.
		I would fault him for not trying.
		And any president would have had to have tried.
		I mean, you know, we have some responsibility, I know that, to go in there and try to prevent a Holocaust, try to prevent genocide.
		Well, I mean, how far we go to do that, I don't know.
		But I don't fault him for trying.
		It's just that I understand, as you do, that the minute we leave, they're going to go back to doing what they do, and that's killing each other.
unidentified		Yeah, but I'd still say we would have just armed both sides and let them go at it.
		But, you know, the Muslims have their worldview, and the Protestant, European, Christian, whatever, you know, they have their worldview, and they've always clashed.
		This goes back to the Dark Ages, you know, the Knights and the Roundtable and all that.
		It's always been the same story.
		I mean, let's face it, as far as I'm concerned, there's never going to be peace until Jesus Christ is sitting on the throne ruling his kingdom.
		And until then, we're just, you know, we've got to keep, everybody's got to keep themselves armed to the teeth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm with you there.
		Thank you very much.
		You defend yourself.
		I really don't fault Clinton for trying in Boston.
		I don't think he had any choice.
		I really don't think he had any choice.
		But I don't think it's going to work.
		And I do think if we leave, unless there's an international presence there for the next 40 years or so, which there may be, the minute the force leaves, the war will resume and the genocide will resume.
		It's pretty safe back.
		What's going on now in Israel?
		It's a little difficult to understand how that will be resolved without it becoming an all-out war.
		It may.
		I'm very interested.
		I want to see Israel.
		I want to see Egypt.
		I want to see these areas.
		I mean, there's a little bit of danger, but every trip I've had has had a little bit of danger.
		So what?
		You go into communist China, there's a little bit of danger.
		You go into Russia these days, there is a fair amount of danger.
		You go to Israel, there's danger.
		You go into areas where there's terrorism, there is danger.
		But I like living life, and these are things I want to see, and I'm not going to be stopped because there's a little bit of danger.
		So I think this coming trip, you have no idea how I'm looking forward to it.
		I have wanted to see all my life the pyramids.
		And with the programs I've been doing and the ones that are coming, the one coming up, as a matter of fact, later tonight, boy, is that going to be a program.
		Don't miss that.
		Graham Hancock, Robert Bilal, And maybe more.
		There are developments that will occur during the day today that will dictate what's going to occur tonight.
		And I can't tell you I know what's going to happen.
		I can tell you there are dramatic, powerful things afoot.
		And tonight you'll learn about it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Corky in Tennessee.
		Yes, sir.
		We had a UFO sighting here back before you went on vacation, and you called for information on it.
		Don't know if anybody ever responded, but I have some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell me?
unidentified		I'm capsulizing from a newspaper article in the Portland, Tennessee Leader.
		This family lives pretty much out in the country, and this incident started about 4 o'clock in the morning.
		The father was awakened by a sound which it sounded like animals scurrying around the roof.
		And he got up, went, looked out, saw nothing, went back to bed.
		And about 4.30 a.m. he heard it again and went and looked.
		And he described an entity, which the newspaper does not describe, that was standing on his deck looking back at him.
		And there was a small white light about the size of a baseball floating around his yard, about four feet off the ground.
		And it seemed to be chasing this entity.
		He also noticed, looking out through his backyard, he said about two miles away and perhaps 500 feet off the ground, there was a larger white-yellow light, which at one time was emitting red rays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he describe the entity?
unidentified		If he did, the newspaper did not pick up on it.
unidentified		They left a description of the entity out of the paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dumb reporters.
unidentified		But this thing left scratch marks on his deck, and they published a picture, which is not very clear.
		This light chased the entity under his cars in the driveway, and he noticed that the antennas on the cars were vibrating back and forth.
		A neighbor saw this light, so he had a witness.
		So he woke up his wife and children, and they got up, and they viewed all of this, and it went on until daylight began to dawn.
		And they went back to bed.
		Later they got up, and the husband, about 9 a.m., thought, you know, everything was cool, everything was over.
		So he took off to the hardware store, and after he left the house, it started all over again.
		And the wife, she went and pulled back the curtains in the den, and this thing, this entity, was standing on the deck looking back at her.
		Subsequently, they called the State Highway Patrol and the local police.
		They all investigated, and a local Nashville TV station, CBS affiliate, went up and did a story.
		Incidentally, they treated it seriously.
		They did not use it as a story.
		I understand.
		And the fellow has said since that if he had known what he knows now, he would never have allowed the media on his property.
		He's, of course, being called a kook at work and going through the usual aftermath that people seem to go through.
		But he had two large dogs which slept right in the yard through the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And later, they noticed in the morning the dogs were unresponsive to light and that they seemed to be heavily sedated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And they took the dogs to the vet, and one of them had a cut about an inch and a half on his back leg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		But that's pretty much what the newspaper had to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only complaint I've got is that how could they possibly go out there and not ask for a description of the, quote, entity?
unidentified		I agree.
		Like I say, this is a small town, a very small town newspaper, and I think maybe somebody must have been sympathetic to this fellow and just overlooked that part.
		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, I really appreciate that.
		Yes, I remember the report, and I was having a hard time getting any information on it that night, but that is fascinating.
unidentified		Well, a MUFON representative has been there.
unidentified		He was there the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If anybody out there has got a copy of the original newspaper article, I'd love to have it.
unidentified		I'll send it to you.
		This fell into my hands.
		My sister rounded it up for me.
		She lives very near where this happened, and she picked up an old copy of the newspaper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose by now the fellow, poor fellow, is probably not pleased with the press and probably wouldn't want to talk to me, huh?
unidentified		He is not named in this article.
unidentified		You might have to call the newspaper to track that down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If anybody can help out there, it sure would make a cool interview.
unidentified		Well, I'll copy this and send it to you, and I'll make a couple of phone calls and alert the paper that you might call them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
		And I would love to interview that man.
		That sounds like he's really been put through it.
		Perhaps he would like an opportunity to tell his story without scorn, and I would certainly provide that.
		Something definitely happened there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Art.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		A couple of things.
		Number one, the fellow that killed the little girl, I think he should not, I think they shouldn't put him to death right away.
		I think they should make him suffer for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if waiting ten years constitutes suffering, that's about the period of time it'll take in the appeals process.
unidentified		You're probably right.
		You're probably right.
		The other thing is, I have a big dish, and I was doing some surfing yesterday, and you know how they'll show shows early on network feeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild feeds, they're called.
unidentified		Right.
		And there was a show that I watched yesterday afternoon that was kind of interesting.
		And I wish I could remember the fellow's name that they were doing the show on, on English Fellows that is studying, you know, like the underground caverns and stuff, or the, you know, all the tunnels and stuff underneath the pyramids.
		Yes.
		different things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, he goes with No.
unidentified		No, it was another name I hadn't heard of before but the fellow that's doing the show do you know the name of the guy that is because I don't know I'm a I'm a blind person so I couldn't read the credits do you know the fellow that is the the guy that plays Al on Home Improvement do you know who I'm talking about I don't watch it but I know who you're talking about okay he saw this guy sounded like him you know so that's why I'm thinking it was it was him it was
		that was the moderator of the show.
		I see.
		And it sounds like it's something that's going to be coming up on ABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look for it.
unidentified		Very, very interesting.
		I caught, I just caught the last, you know, like half hour of it.
		Sure.
		But it was very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I thought this was down your alley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll keep my eye open.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good morning to you, sir.
		Thank you for the tip.
		There are so many things these days.
		So much television.
		So many channels.
		So little time.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Tim in Denver.
		Hi, country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		We've been getting the snow most of the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, about four inches out there.
		It's not sticking to the streets.
		The grass looks pretty packed down.
		So anyway, I've got a quick question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it'll improve Elway's game.
unidentified		Was that a slam?
		Possibly, yeah.
		You're evil.
		You're terrible.
		A quick question.
		If a major event was to occur of, you know, very newsworthy proportions, would you rather it be shortly before you went on the air, when you were on the air, or after you got it off the air and had most of the day to listen to it and form of opinions about the event?
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is, it depends on the event.
unidentified		It would depend on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are some times when events occur when I'm on the air that it's very exciting.
		The audience participates.
		I immediately get into it because we do live talk radio overnight and we have reports here probably better than about anywhere else because we have all these people gathering information.
		Other kinds of things are horrible because you don't have information about them.
		You can't get information about them.
		And the minute it occurs, everybody runs away to television trying to figure out what's going on.
		And of course, they're sitting there repeating, usually, senseless information.
		information over and over and over again because they don't know what's going on.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it depends on the event.
		Many times I would prefer an event to occur and for me to be able to digest and form my own opinion so we can come and talk about it intelligently on the air.
		So I don't know.
		That's no kind of answer.
unidentified		Well yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
		Quick story I'd like to relate to you.
		I loaned a copy of your book to my brother whose boss started listening.
		And when you returned the book to my brother, he said, I asked how he liked it.
		And he said, I really enjoyed it.
		There was a lot of information that I didn't know.
		And I said, yeah, there is.
		And he said, for example, I didn't know art was a ham.
		And I said, oh, yeah, the more you listen to him, he's a real cut up.
		He is a ham.
		And he started laughing.
		He says, no, I meant ham radio.
		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buried in ham radio all my life.
		And Busman's holiday.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I'm radio here.
		Radio really has been my life.
		You know, you hear people say that kind of thing, but it really has been.
		Since I was old enough to begin taking my mom's appliances apart, I took a lot of appliances apart.
unidentified		I got in a lot of trouble about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since that moment, and that was shortly after I could walk, I have been fascinated by electronics, by radio, and my whole life has been devoted to that.
		And when I'm not doing it here, then I'm doing it elsewhere.
		For example, when I get off here in a few minutes, you know, the show's about to come to an end, I have an antenna to fix.
		I have an end connector to put on some coax, and I hate end connectors.
		Hams will know what I'm talking about.
		They're horrible.
		So, one way or the other, I'm consistently involved in radio up to my neck.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		I tried to call you yesterday.
		Well, actually, I called my wife and woke her up and had her try to call you.
		She doesn't actually have sleep paralysis, but she has a similar experience than while she's fully awake.
		She, I guess, just has the out-of-body type thing where she can see herself leaving and she can go places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was thinking yesterday when we were talking about this sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know a bad place to have an OBE?
unidentified		Where's there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While you're driving?
unidentified		Well, she did it at work.
unidentified		She does hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes at work it might be all right.
unidentified		Yeah, I imagine if you're doing someone's hair and you said she does hair?
		Yeah.
		Oh, now see.
		She's a cosmetologist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's one person you don't want to have an OBE, is your barber.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		But she tried to call you.
		I called her and woke her up.
		She's not usually up this time of the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet she appreciated that.
unidentified		Oh, yes, she did, because she really enjoyed the show.
unidentified		I didn't get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Airplane pilots?
unidentified		No, that won't be on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be bad, too.
		All right, sir.
		Well, I appreciate the call.
		I hope she enjoyed the show.
		Airplane pilots, bus drivers, train engineers, all no, no, no, no for OBEs.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, it's a pleasure to talk to you.
		I just had to respond on a polyclass.
		I think that guy should be hung up like a pinata.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do understand.
unidentified		And I think he should be beat senseless.
unidentified		I think he's a piece of human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I got the idea.
		Listen, the show is over.
		You get the honors.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Longview, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do it.
unidentified		Good night, America.
unidentified		We love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Good night, America and Canada.
		We love you both.

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