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Sept. 26, 1996 - Art Bell
02:52:54
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. - Roswell UFO Crash
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Now we take you back to the night of September 26, 1996, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr. is a retired military veteran.
is in Montana, where it's already midnight.
It's going to be a long day for him tomorrow and has been a long day for him today.
So we're going to get right down to business.
Doctor, welcome to the program.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Doctor, you know, I've heard myths about you and Roswell.
I've seen movies and I've read books, but I've never talked to you about it.
I've never heard it from you.
So, I guess I would like to find out, how old were you when all this occurred?
Well, you know, I was almost 12 years old.
This was in July of 1947.
I was 11 then.
I was 12 in August.
So, pretty close to being 12.
So, about 12 years old.
Yes.
I take it that... Well, I shouldn't take it.
What was the first indication that you had, you had, that something had occurred?
Well, my dad woke me up early in the morning.
to show us some debris that he brought in from the field out of Roswell.
You know, he'd left earlier, but maybe the day before, I don't really recall now, but
when he came in, he came by the house, he woke my mother and myself up to look at some metal
fragments and debris that he and another fellow found out there northwest of Roswell.
Can you remember what he actually said he had found?
Well, you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he said that this was
part of a flying saucer or something to that effect.
In fact, uh...
At that time, I really wasn't quite sure what a flying saucer was, but I certainly later found out what the connotation was.
Well, at 12 years old, I guess the phrase flying saucer would at least get your attention.
Oh, yeah.
So you went, obviously, Bounded out of bed, I'm sure.
Were you in bed at that point?
Oh, yeah.
It must have been one or two o'clock in the morning, and certainly very late.
I'd been asleep for several hours.
Oh, so no doubt you bounded out of bed and went to take a look at what was downstairs.
What had he done?
Well, what he did, he came in and he wanted me to help him unload some boxes of this material from the car.
We had a 1942 Buick convertible.
So there were boxes of it?
Yes.
And so I went outside and helped him unload a couple boxes of debris.
And what we did, we just dumped it on the kitchen floor.
And he said, I want you to look at this.
Something very unusual.
Yeah, look for some electronic components.
You know, like vacuum tubes or resistors, condensers, wires.
There wasn't anything like that.
And I guess the next step is, well, I wanted to see if we could put some of this together.
You know, there's a lot of metal debris.
See if we could put it together like a jigsaw puzzle and make some sort of a sense out of it.
Right.
But of course you only had pieces of a far greater puzzle, I guess.
Oh yeah, yeah.
There was far too much of it to do anything like that with.
And certainly there wasn't anything that could be construed as electronic.
You know, no electrical wires or the other components, no.
How would you describe it as just sort of Well, we've heard many things.
Beams with what appear to be hieroglyphics on them, or portions of beams, or can you recall the nature of what was there?
Well, you know, as I remember, there was about three types of this debris.
There was a lot of metal foil, sort of like aluminum foil that you would see in the kitchen today.
Uh, it was kind of, uh, dull, not really very reflective.
Uh, it was very light.
And, uh, there was some black plastic and, uh, debris I thought was something like Bakelite.
And then there were the, uh, ion beams, or the beams as I recall, that, uh, had, uh, this writing or the symbols written across the inner surface of it.
And that was the most intriguing part of this whole thing.
Uh, these, uh, were very small beams, maybe a quarter of an inch in, uh, diameter or at least cross-sectional area. And when we held
up the light, there was some purple type writing or symbols on the inside surface. And I
guess the longest beam that I could see was about 12 to 18 inches long. On the ends,
could you tell whether they had been broken off, burned off? Was the debris obviously fire
damaged or crash damaged?
You know, I really don't recall whether the ends were cleanly cut or whether they were fractured.
You know, it just didn't make an impression on me.
The biggest impression was the writing on it.
Okay.
You mentioned some dark material.
Yeah, there was like pieces of broken plastic, like a bakelite or things of this nature.
Did you happen to look at the side of that and notice whether it was finely layered material or it was solid?
The plastic?
Yes, sir.
If you want to compare it to anything, it looked like a broken phonograph record.
Pieces of old broken records.
It didn't seem to be layered or anything like that.
Your dad then must have sort of told you the story about what he found.
Did he only tell you about debris or was there ever mention of more?
What would be considered to be a craft or anything more?
No.
The only thing he mentioned was the debris.
He had picked a portion of this material up with another gentleman out there.
Actually, it was a friend of our family.
I think his name was Cabot at that time.
They were heading into the air base with the material and since our house was on the way to the airbase
he swung by the house to Show it to my mother myself as that he considered it to be
so unusual Right did he indicate there was a lot more debris out there
and he had only part of it or was that it Yeah, no my feeling was that this is only a small part of
what was out there Okay
Did you when your father then how long what once he left I did he gather up all the material
Did he leave some with you?
I seem to recall in the movie that some had been left with you.
Well, that was just part of the movie.
No, he gathered it all up and we put it back in the boxes in the back of the 42 Buick and then he left for the airbase.
I went back to bed and that was the end of that.
And that was the end of that?
Yeah, until a day or two later when he came back home.
So he was gone that long?
Yes.
My understanding now is that he helped consign or flew the stuff to the Fort Worth Air Base, what was the Cardinal Air Force Base.
He left it there and came back the next day.
I do remember him coming in and saying, talking to my mother and myself about this.
as uh... so that we are not to discuss again that uh...
just a minute didn't happen
treated as a non-event and uh... meant exactly what we did
can you remember is demeanor at that time in other words
when he talked to you and said look it was a non-event this never happened
uh... it's gotta be a secret or whatever what
was his demeanor like ur did you do you even recall that i don't recall that
but i would think you'd be pretty serious you know he
He wanted to make a point that we're not to discuss this issue again.
And by then it was hitting the headlines all over the place.
I mean, it was the Roswell radio station, the one I'm on right now, as a matter of fact, and the newspaper and then papers all over the country at that point were making a great big deal out of it.
Did that impact you?
Well, we just heard about that later, that there was a big publicity splash about that.
As a matter of fact, sometime after this happened, I guess my dad had a friend in China.
I'm not sure where in Singapore, but Beijing, who sent him a clipping out of the newspaper there.
So it made it all the way over there, yeah.
you know making for sure
1947.
over the years how many times i've got it's been a million have you sat
down and tried to remember the details of all this again and again and again
Yeah, I've tried many, many times and, you know, you can just get so much water out of it.
That's right.
Because, I guess, one of the problems is I saw this for a total of maybe 15 or 20 minutes, total, you know, Tom, about 50 years ago.
The only reason I remember any of it at all is because it was such an unusual event.
The material itself had a very unusual characteristic and that's the only reason I remember this happening at all.
Alright, in the movie, and that's my only reference other than books, they talked about the foil, the foil material, and it almost looked magical as though you would crumple it and it would just suddenly return to shape.
Yeah, I heard Other people describe that physical attribute.
I did not witness that myself.
I didn't try to fold it up or bend it or tear it or do anything like that.
I just looked at it and just carefully put it back down.
I didn't try to do anything with it.
Do you think that what you saw could have been a balloon?
No.
Not a balloon.
Not a balloon.
One thing, too, that really strikes home with that is that I saw pictures of my dad in General Rainey's office at Fort Worth with some debris that he said came from the Roswell crash site.
Yeah, that was a famous shot they made him take, right?
Yeah, supposedly that was the same stuff that was on the kitchen floor in Roswell.
Yes, sir.
Not.
Not, huh?
Not.
Okay, so that's a for-sure thing.
That's easy to remember.
Yeah, that's the thing that really brings it home, why they're trying to do something here.
Okay.
Well, you know, I think about a year ago, uh, it was a year ago, the Air Force finally came out and said, well, we did lie.
It wasn't a balloon.
It was a balloon, but a different kind of balloon, a very special balloon to try and detect Soviet nuclear testing.
And can you imagine that being a possibility?
Well, you know, a balloon is a balloon is a balloon.
You know, there's not that much difference between, uh, What the Mogul device would have been, or what the weather balloon would have been, or whatever they want to say about it.
There will be no confusion there.
In the years that passed, until your father died, did you have conversations with him about this?
We had often talks about this.
I knew that he had gone to Roswell a few times to be interviewed.
Begrudgingly, he didn't really seek any attention to this thing, but people came to him.
I remember one of the last times I talked to him on the telephone about this.
He had just come back from Roswell and was out at the crash site.
I asked him, jokingly, was there any of that debris out there?
He said, oh no, they vacuumed all that up.
Obviously, there was no scrap of it left.
I tried to confirm that we saw the same thing, remember the same thing.
I said, what was the color of the writing on that beam?
He said, oh, it was a violet purple.
That's exactly what I recall too.
So we recall the same type of physical characteristics.
Whatever it was, it was not English.
No, no.
You know, when I first saw it, I was a little kid and I thought, well, this looks like hieroglyphics.
But when you look at it, it wasn't hieroglyphics either.
I know the Air Force was trying to say this was a flower pattern on some scotch tape on
some balsa wood that was used to fix tinfoil to the balsa wood.
Well, no it wasn't scotch tape with flowers on it.
I would know that and I knew what balsa wood was because I built stick models all the time.
This was metal?
This was not balsa wood.
This was metal?
This was metal, yes.
Do you recall you must have hefted one or picked one up in your hand?
Oh yeah.
Was it heavy as in iron?
No, it was very light.
I don't recall any weight to it or mass to it at all.
It just seemed like feathers.
I remember something that wasn't there, but in my recollection it was a very light structure.
Did your father in later conversations ever Sit down and tell you the whole story, or did he hold this essentially to the end?
No, he never told me the whole story.
The only story I know that came from him is through interviews that he gave to other people years after this event.
But we never sat down and discussed at length what this was, or at least the whole story.
We always considered it, though, to be something very unusual, probably extraterrestrial.
There's no question about that.
There have been many reports, and of course the movie did it up, about the extraterrestrial bodies that were captured, even some talking about one alive, that sort of thing.
No mention of that from your father?
Not at all.
Because I think, you know, if they were there, you know, that was another a loop of information and i guess you know if they're
compartmentalization if you didn't have a need to know about
other things you were not in the loop to know about this other thing so
uh... there the even i guess was segmented and those who had
privy to one part did not have to return a part of it knowledge of the uh... that
if we go back to when it first heard when you got brought all the boxes home
and said came from a flying saucer was something that that right
what we're your father's In other words, would he have known what he was saying?
Well, you know, he was a base intelligence officer, so I assume he would know what he was talking about.
You know, he was in on aircraft accident investigations and certainly flew enough during the war to know what radar targets and things like that would have been.
As a matter of fact, he went to radar school to To learn about different types of radar targets and kites and so forth.
He knew, you know, he had training to delineate the difference between what we saw and what the Air Force says we saw.
So that was a man who would have known exactly what he was seeing.
Yes, exactly.
Or at least for certain what he wasn't seeing.
Yeah, exactly.
What about your mom?
How did she take all this and did you notice After your dad came back that there was any difference in your mom's take on everything, did she suddenly quiet down about it?
Well, you know, we just didn't discuss it to my memory.
You know, this is going back a long time ago now and I don't really recall that it really had any big impact on our lives at that point because we just forgot about it.
You know, I said, well, if this is what happens, just forget it.
Over the next few days, well, let's see, this occurred in July, so you weren't in school then, were you?
That's correct.
Had the story ballooned and was it big by the time you did get back to school that year?
No, I think it had been pretty well buried by that time.
Buried by that time.
When did the interest, or the rush of interest, come back and people began trying to interview your father in the press, you know, trying to get as much as they could from your father?
Well, you know, not for years.
As a matter of fact, the first interview I know that my dad officially gave to was Stan Friedman.
That was in 1978, I believe.
Stan is a good friend.
He's a very, very nice guy.
Very nice guy.
Of course, nobody thought to take photographs or anything like that at 1.30 or 2 o'clock in the morning.
No such thing as a Polaroid camera then, or even a camera that we had in the house.
Yes, yes.
I just wish, well, I tell you what, had we kept a piece of it for souvenirs, we would not have it now.
You don't think so?
No.
Did they come back at any point?
Did officers or people, do you recall anybody coming to your house and interviewing your father or your mother or even yourself?
No, no, nothing like that happened.
Then why do you think, had you held onto a piece, squirreled a piece away somewhere?
Oh, I would have let somebody know that I had a piece of it.
Like every kid in the world would?
Yeah, that's right, and I don't think I'd have it now.
There have been stories that there were large crews that went out to, in quotes, vacuum up the area.
Um, do you know anything about that?
Uh, did your dad say that?
He did say they vacuumed the area.
Yeah, those were his words and uh, that was uh, when I was talking to him and I know it was um, the date of that conversation was 1980.
1980?
Yeah, November, December 1980.
Did he ever tell you how many had been involved in that cleanup?
No, I'm not sure he knew.
You know the movie showed uh, Looked like a hundred GIs out there, crawling across the land.
All right, Doctor, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll be right back to you.
My guest is Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
My guest from Montana is Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., the son of Major Marcel, of Roswell fame, and a lot more.
We'll talk about that in a moment.
Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
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Yes, sir.
When had the crash occurred?
Do you know how much earlier than that?
You know, I have no knowledge of when it actually occurred.
Okay.
Do you recall people talking about having seen anything in the days or months or even years that followed that crashed?
Not all.
And you know, of course, there's always a scattered Flying saucer, reporter, UFO, there's always those.
But I don't recall anything specifically as pertaining to the Roswell event in itself.
All right, sir.
Do you remember the movie, the recent movie about Roswell?
Yes.
When you sat down and watched that, Was it a big laugh?
Was some of it accurate?
A little bit of it?
With a lot of dramatic license?
Or how would you characterize it?
Well, no, I think it was a job well done.
I think the events depicted in 1947 were pretty accurate.
You know, with the exception of them showing me keeping a piece that my dad had to go back and recoup.
That didn't happen.
But I think, by and large, It was pretty accurate.
It was from 1947.
Were you all consulted about the movie?
Oh, you know, I guess they had talked with Paul Davids, some of the other people with this, and they kind of shot the breeze about this, yeah.
Sure.
If your father had kept any debris, a piece, two, something, a little souvenir, do you think You would have found out about it?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he would not have kept that a secret.
No, we were pretty close.
Were there pieces... Now, I'm imagining there were quite a few G.I.s out there cleaning all this up.
And they had to have manpower.
Somebody had to do it.
So, were there pieces that you saw that would have been small enough that were on your kitchen floor that somebody could have slipped them into a pocket?
Oh, certainly.
As a matter of fact, you know, there was much of it that we dumped on the kitchen floor that we later jokingly thought that my mother probably swept some of it out the back door.
In other words, a few little pieces might have been left from gathering them up.
As a matter of fact, about that time approximately, we had laid a concrete slab in the back of the kitchen door.
to know uh... bennex road washing machine hope and uh... on our thought
that well noted that this happened before we played a slab there
might be some of us are a good plan but
i'd better talk with and you know we believe this weapon after this happened
so in the truck very like jimmy hopper
yeah uh...
so that that was that i have to read it could could there be uh...
do you think it could be something left under that slab around the floor
Well, you know, it wouldn't be under because the slab was laid before this happened.
Oh, okay.
And, you know, right now they've built an addition to the house over where the slab was, so that's pretty well under a building right now.
Is there anything about all of this that you recollect that you have never told anybody from the press?
I think I've been pretty well drained of any kind of motivation.
I'm thinking of myself as your dad and if I had found one thing and when your dad came home was he really excited?
Yeah, that I do recall.
He was excited and obviously he was excited enough to To go a little bit out of his way to go by the house and wake us up.
So yeah, he was enthusiastic over this thing.
Okay, well, if he had that level of enthusiasm, and then they gave him, no doubt, some very stern talk about, look, this never happened.
And then he had been forced to hold up a balloon and tell a false story.
That would go down pretty hard for a fairly proud man.
Well, you know, I remember him saying later that he didn't really mind because he was actually part of the coverage.
He went along with it, you know, because this is what he was told to do.
And as a soldier, he followed the orders.
Of course.
But still, to stand there with a balloon and to tell something that wasn't true would have gone down pretty... it could not have been easy for him.
Well, you know, I guess inwardly, I'm not sure what effect it had on him.
Outwardly, it didn't seem to bother him.
What kind of dad was he?
Was he a strict disciplinarian?
No, he was very generous with me.
I was the only kid, you know, spoiled brat, got just everything I wanted.
No, he was a very generous, very warm person with me.
Doctor, has all this In some way affected you now in life.
I'm sure that everybody who knows the name, Marcel, asks you questions about this.
Have you developed an interest in the subject, or have you gone the opposite way?
Well, you know, what I do is, since this happened, I surmise that we're not alone in the universe, so I'm a very avid astronomer, and I read everything I can about cosmology.
And that's why I find that Martian meteorite so intriguing, because this is the first crack in the door where they're being able to prove, perhaps, that we are not alone, that there is certainly life forms elsewhere.
And as close as our doorstep on Mars.
So you are interested.
Is this something that you developed later in life?
No, this has been since that time.
Since that time.
It really did affect you then, and for the years that immediately followed that.
It wasn't something that picked up later in life.
No, no.
Because I always took it to be what it was.
And I've always had my eyes to the sky.
I will say, I've never seen a UFO or a flying saucer.
I keep looking.
Oh, I've seen one.
It was a big, triangular sucker.
It came about 150 feet above me.
I'm out here near the test area they call Dreamland.
Well, I keep looking, but I've never seen anything I could not identify.
All right.
I guess what I would like to do is... Here's a fact I've got.
When you interviewed John Kirby, I did, you played a wonderful tape Dr. Marcel had made of a telephone conversation you had with his father, who had just taken a film crew to the site of the crash, which Dr. Marcel just mentioned.
Have you gone back, you went back to that site, I have to say I've never been to that exact site.
I've been in the proximity.
I've been out to the ranch, but I've never been to the exact site.
What drove you to become a doctor?
Well, I guess partly family pressure.
My uncle was a doctor.
I wanted to go in one of the fields of science, actually I was more interested in physical
sciences like physics and chemistry, but because of, I had to admit, pressure from the family
I went into medicine.
I was interested in aviation or going into physics, but I ended up in medicine.
Interesting.
If you had to do it all over again, would you change that direction and instead move
toward the sciences?
I think I would, yeah.
I'd definitely stay with the physical sciences.
Otherwise, what kind of man was your father?
Was it a good, solid family relationship?
Oh, I think so.
The three of us, we were close-knit.
So, you know, we did a lot of things together.
Like I say, we're a pretty close family.
Okay, again, I think a very important point is the one thing that seemed truly to be extraterrestrial as depicted in that movie was that foil that crumbled up and suddenly returned to its original shape.
But you never saw one bit of that in terms of... Did you put your hands on that foil at all?
Oh yeah, I handled it and looked at it.
I didn't really think so much of the foil as I did the beam that had that writing on it.
That was the thing that really set it off.
I didn't pay much attention to the foil or that bakelite debris.
It was the beam with the writing that really caught my eye.
You've seen Russian writing, have you not?
Yeah.
Not that.
It was not that.
I would think the only people, then, that would have the ability to put something up that would make it about the globe would be, at that time, possibly the Russians.
And that was my best shot there at whether it might be their writing.
If it wasn't their writing, then I cannot conceive of why we would do... What explanation, again, did they give for that?
What the... I'm not sure what... The military?
That writing that you have talked about?
Oh, they said it was tape.
As a matter of fact, I got a call from one of the Air Force declassification teams who I had discussed with what I saw.
He wanted to know what I saw, and I told him, and he said, well, this is what we think you saw.
And I said, no, that's not what I saw.
And he said, well, we think you saw a piece of scotch tape with some flowers.
On it, uh, from some toy manufacturer back east with their, that they're using to put these kites back together with.
And I said, no, that was not flowers and it wasn't tape.
And so we didn't have a, uh, not much of an agreement there.
Okay.
Can you remember the beam?
When you held the beam in your hand, uh, and you looked at the writing, was it indented into the material the beam was made of?
Was there an indentation that created this or was it, um, paint?
As it were, painted on.
You know, I do know it was kind of like a purple, violet, metallic hue.
And it was written inside the length of this beam.
And I don't recall really whether it was, whether it had texture.
It looked like it would have, and maybe I ran my fingernail across it.
I don't really know whether I did that or not.
I don't remember something that didn't happen.
Right.
Right.
Uh, considered, and I'm sure you've been asked, uh, to undergo some sort of, uh, regressive, uh, hypnosis to try and dredge, you know, it is, I think, possible to bring details from the human mind.
Well, you know, that was, uh, tried at one time, but I think I'm a very poor, poor subject, subject for hypnosis, because I'm not, I'm not a real strong believer in it.
Maybe it's true, uh, maybe it's valid, uh, I guess I have a bias against it, so I don't think I was a very good subject for that.
You know, I do, too, and I think that people who have strong wills are very, very difficult to hypnotize.
They simply will not allow it to occur to themselves.
They won't yield that kind of control.
So there's nothing to come from that, I guess.
And were there any writings that your father left?
No, I've gone through, well we have some of his records that we have not gone through.
They're still in storage and I have not seen anything that he put down on, you know, pen to paper on this thing.
It's all word of mouth.
What happened to the car that held those parts?
Sold?
Well, you know, we went on a vacation to Yellowstone National Park and we were Well, first of all, we moved from Roswell to Washington, D.C., then we went on a vacation to Yellowstone Park, and coming back from Yellowstone, we stopped in Cincinnati, Ohio, and got a 1950 Studebaker, traded the car in on a 1950 Studebaker.
Because one, of course, has to wonder whether some little artifact might have been left in the back of that car.
And somebody, no doubt, bought that car and drove it around and had no idea what that was.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, I'm tempted to dip to the phone lines, let people ask a couple of questions of you.
I really, really want to thank you for staying up.
I know it's, I guess you had a long day today, and doctors have long days, period, so you've got another one coming tomorrow.
Yeah, it's just been kind of dragging after a while.
What happens, by the way, when people come to you, they have UFO conferences, probably now once a month, someplace.
Big ones, and I'm sure you get invited.
Yes.
Have you gone to any of them?
Yeah, I go to an occasional one and just kind of regurgitate what I've already done today, you know, just this evening.
I just kind of go over details and I like to fold into my little talk or presentation the fact is that there's life elsewhere.
I like to talk about the The planetary systems that they're now describing and finding and how the stuff of life is all over out there.
So we're obviously not by ourselves.
Every new thing we find, every new discovery, leads clearly in the direction of life.
Mars, Europa, new planets.
That little Martian meter that may drive the final nail in the coffin of those that say there's no life elsewhere.
Were you surprised the other day when you heard the Clinton administration has scratched plans for a manned trip to Mars?
They're talking now about sending robots.
Well, you know, robotic exploration can be very effective too, and it can be a lot more cost effective.
And it's certainly not as glamorous as sending a man to Mars, which we will do one of these days, but if we get there first with robotic exploration, so be it.
Because that can yield extremely valuable information, too.
Have you looked at some of the research done by the likes of Richard Hoagland, the monuments of Mars, the face on Mars, so forth and so on?
Well, it's fascinating.
Isn't it?
It is indeed.
And to consider that there was life millions of years ago at the microbial level says to me, had there been a different atmosphere, life, of course, could have come.
And gone, and left monuments that we now see, and for all we know, we could be ancestors of that life.
You know, actually, I think Mars, the conditions right for life, died too soon for any advanced civilization to have developed.
If those monuments on Mars are really what we think they might be, they have to be put there by extraterrestrials.
So you're really almost a firm believer then, aren't you?
I am absolutely a firm believer.
How do you now remember your dad as just a very good father and family man?
As time goes on you tend to remember the good things and forget the bad things.
I remember him very warmly now and it's really a missed presence.
That's right, that's right.
And poor old you, you were just 12 years old.
Yeah, just a little kid, you know.
Here it is, you know, 50 years later.
A little foggy-eyed at 1 or 2 in the morning and trying to always recollect things.
Yikes.
Right.
Alright, let me take one quick call and see if somebody's got a question for you.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Jesse Marcel.
Hello.
Hi, how are you doing tonight, Art?
Fine, where are you, sir?
I'm in Las Vegas.
Las Vegas, all right.
Yep, I've just been fascinated that you have a Jesse on the show tonight, Junior.
It's beautiful, and I was just wondering, when he handled any of that material, did he get a hold of any soft materials, and did he get sick later?
All right, that's good.
Did anybody get ill or anything at all unusual that you would attribute to the handling of that material?
Yeah, people ask about this, but no, there was no unusual events there.
They asked me if I had any strange odors.
No, I don't recall anything like that, and certainly no sickness that I could attribute to that.
No strange viruses, I guess.
Again, going back to that material, the anomalous material that seemed to snap back into shape, Um, if you didn't do that, and you didn't note that, uh, the movie, I'm trying to recall, had some young lady, I think, who did that.
And the details are kind of foggy right now, but, uh, did you hear anything at all about that?
Yeah, not at the time.
You know, this was only years later when they started, you know, when people started coming out talking about this, uh, did that attribute, uh, I do remember my dad saying that he had one of his men take a sledgehammer and try to indent a larger piece of the metal and couldn't even scratch it.
Of the very light aluminum?
Yes, I remember him saying that, but as far as the metal with the memory, I don't recall him ever saying anything like that, but I've heard other people talk about that, but not for years after this.
So it's possible that that was myth?
Oh, I didn't.
I didn't witness it.
You didn't witness it.
Well, what I really do appreciate is you coming on here and telling us what you did witness.
And now I know, and now everybody else knows.
Doctor, it has been a distinct pleasure.
I know you've got a very, very long day coming up.
It is, unfortunately.
I would love to continue this for hours, but unfortunately, the hour grows late and early morning hours are coming up to me right now.
Dr. Marcel, thank you.
Well, thank you very much, Roger.
Take care, sir.
That's Dr. Jesse Marcel, and he's the man who was there, and so there you've heard his own words.
And that may help some of you separate myth from reality.
And it sounded very much to me as though he didn't embellish a thing and told us all he could remember.
Isn't that something?
You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
Welcome to Extinction.
Thank you.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired September 26th, 1996.
Let me tell you how unusual a night we're having.
There was, as you know, a full moon eclipse.
I saw it.
It was a red moon.
Incredible.
It is a big full moon out there tonight.
There are magnetic storms washing over the Earth as we speak.
I'm a short-wave person, as you know, and I monitor generally a lot of frequencies, and the broadcast band is down.
Propagation is down.
WWV on 5 MHz is barely audible.
We must be awash with radiation.
That's all I can say.
It's one of those nights.
One of those full moon nights.
And it is kind of strange out there, so I would say buckle in and get ready for just about anything.
In the Middle East, we are trying to arrange, everybody's trying to arrange, peace.
Because they have what could turn into a civil war going on there.
55 dead.
If you count those dead on both sides, Palestinian, And Israeli.
And I don't know, I don't think this is going to work out.
It was all about a tunnel near a holy place.
The tunnel is still there.
They're not going to remove it.
There are tanks and helicopters now.
The fighting continues.
Egypt's president is trying to arrange a freeway meeting in Cairo, maybe on Friday.
We're putting pressure on the Israelis and doing everything but criticizing them.
publicly if you read between the lines we have done so and I'm not sure what to say about it except that I never did think that it was going to work I believe as I believe Benjamin Netanyahu believes that ultimately and at least in our lifetimes let me qualify that in our lifetimes and perhaps that of our children The Israelis are only going to be sustained by strength.
And that peace accords with the Palestinians, and ultimately with Syria, are not going to work.
You can't make peace with people who want you dead.
Who want you to not exist.
And it's not going to work.
And it's not working.
The Senate sustained the abortion veto.
And so there shall be partial birth abortions.
They will continue.
The president signed the maternity bill, keeping gals in the hospital for 48 hours minimum.
Shannon Lucid is back, reclining in a big chair so she can get reacquainted with gravity.
Newt Gingrich is in trouble.
Democrats and Republicans on the committee that is investigating him have voted unanimously unanimously to expand the investigation however uh... however it turns out it will not be known until after the election so uh... it is bad news for gingrich but not the good news i suppose uh... for bob dole who doesn't need
A disabled Newt Gingrich right now.
We'll have to see where that goes.
Democrats, of course, calling for him to resign immediately from office.
A judge in San Jose, California has sentenced Richard Davis to death.
And, Heller, in a statement just before he was to receive sentence, loud in court, That Polly Class had begged him not to do her as her father had done her.
And at that point, her father lunged at this bastard, and if he could, probably would have killed him.
And I know it's a horrible thing to say, but it's too bad they don't have guns in courtrooms, because I kind of wish he had killed him.
And I'll tell you something, if it had been me, I'd have tried to figure out there's a way to get guns in, you know, it can be done.
There are guns that are largely a composite material, and if I had been that father, I would have done my damnedest to get something in there to kill that bastard with, and if he'd have said something like that, that would have been Of course, way over the line, and I recall the movie Seven.
I wonder if you remember the movie Seven.
If you haven't seen it, you should, if you can handle heavy material.
And at the very end of that movie, there was a police officer whose wife had been killed, and he was just receiving that information as he drew a bead on the killer.
And it was a very dramatic moment in the movie, and you could see in that man's head the wheels turning, knowing he was a cop, knowing he couldn't put a bullet in this guy because he was a cop, but knowing that the guy at the end of the barrel had just murdered horribly his wife.
And you could see him torn for a period of time.
And had it ended any other way, I could not have handled it.
He blew that guy away, and I would have too.
And it's funny, when I saw that courtroom scene yesterday with Mr. Klass, I thought of the movie Seven, and I thought if I can tell you I would have killed, given any opportunity, I would have killed.
Have you ever wondered about that?
What would bring you to the point where you would kill?
Well, that's an easy call for me.
And, uh... I would have done it without remorse.
Without remorse.
Goodbye.
Do whatever you're going to do in the next life.
Be judged there, because you're out of here now.
No ten years on appeals here.
I'd have strangled him.
I'd have put something around his throat.
I'd have broken his neck, or if I could have gotten a gun in, I'd have shot him.
So I don't blame him, and I wonder how you reacted to it.
Believe it or not, President Clinton is on the way toward a Nobel Peace Prize for what he has done in Bosnia.
I wonder if they ought to wait until the troops leave, if they do as he promised before they issue this, because I've got a feeling that Bosnia is going to return to exactly what it was when we leave.
If we leave.
Maybe to keep the Nobel, the troops are going to have to stay there, I don't know.
Here is the story, the Associated Press story, thank you to one of my affiliates, on that six-year-old child.
Talked about that a few days ago.
These days a kiss isn't just a kiss, not even in the first grade.
A six-year-old boy who kissed a girl on the cheek was, as you must have heard by now, suspended last week on the grounds of sexual harassment.
Jackie Prevett said the school overreacted to an innocent peck on the cheek by banishing her son, Jonathan, to a room apart from his classmates.
Jonathan said the girl asked him to kiss her, that he was expressing friendship according to the mother.
Now, of course, insanity.
Sexual harassment.
A six-year-old kissing a six-year-old?
A peck on the cheek?
It's almost too insane to imagine, and yet in today's world, it occurs.
I asked you the other night, and will again this morning, to come up with a presidential promise.
There is absolutely no reason for you to keep it.
We know that nominees promise you anything, and never deliver, so if you were going to run for president, what would you promise the American people?
To get their vote, To ensure getting yourself into the White House, what would you promise?
No limits?
No reason to keep the promise?
I'm just asking you, if you were going to concoct a big one, you know, a really big one, to entice the American people to vote for you, what would it be?
Kevin and Rebecca listening to Kern in Bakersfield sent me some emails that are, here's a presidential promise for re-election from President Clinton.
I promise a blonde in every bedroom.
And I've got a couple little things here I wanted to read you.
A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said, If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess.
Bending over, he picked the frog up, put it in his pocket, and began to walk off.
The somewhat agitated frog, at this point, spoke up again and said, If you kiss me, And turn me back into a beautiful princess, I'll stay with you for one week.
Well, the boy took the frog out of his pocket and looked at it, thought for a moment, smiled, put it back.
Well, now the frog was getting really quite chubby, cried out, OK, look, if you kiss me and turn me into a beautiful princess, I'll stay with you and do anything you want me to do.
Well, he stopped again, took the frog out, smiled at it, Put it back in his pocket and proceeded the pace.
Finally, the frog began yelling, What the hell's the matter with you?
I've told you I'm a beautiful princess.
I've said I'd stay with you for a whole week and offered to do anything you want.
Why won't you kiss me?
The boy said, Look, I'm an engineer.
I don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog is really cool.
That would certainly be the answer of an engineer.
Sorry, I don't have time for a girlfriend, but you know, a talking frog, well that's really cool.
Then there's one more little one and then we'll just open the lines and see what the night brings, but I thought this was cute.
Two hunters got a pilot to fly them into the far north for elk hunting.
They were quite successful in their venture and bagged six big bucks.
So the pilot came back, as arranged, to pick them up.
They began loading their gear into the plane, including the six elk.
But the pilot objected and said, Look, the plane can only take out four of your elk.
You'll have to leave two behind.
So, they argued with him.
The year before, they had also shot six, and the pilot had allowed them to put all on board.
The plane was just the same model and capacity as this one.
Reluctantly, the pilot Finally permitted them to put all six aboard, but when they attempted to take off and leave the valley where they were, the little plane couldn't make it and crashed into the wilderness.
Climbing out of the wreckage, one hunter said to the other, Do you have any idea where we are?
Replied the other, I think so.
I think this is about where the same place the last plane crashed last year.
By the way, one other little item.
The Israelis, besides having terrible problems with the Palestinians right now, and the other way around, I suppose, are seeing UFOs.
Massive reports of UFOs.
Egg-shaped spacecrafts, they say.
And, uh, this is being reported in, uh, well, as a matter of fact, this is an Associated Press article I've got.
Some blame it on an invasion of American culture, but I think not.
I think something is going on in the area of Israel, and I just thought I would pass it on to you, but the number of reports coming from Israel have quadrupled.
I mean, there are just all kinds of reports coming from the Middle East now of UFOs.
What do you make out of that?
time one last thing
he says again uh... from a science and brief article
there is a japanese satellite that was just put up took a photograph
uh... which has been rendered then in various colors so we might know what
we're seeing of the first ozone hole
and And the image above, and I've got it here, shown by the newest Japanese satellite to be launched, shows a rapidly developing late
Winter Antarctic ozone hole.
And it is a big hole.
I mean, we're not talking about what you've typically seen, and you remember you've seen pictures of the Earth with a sort of strangely inkblot-shaped little hole that sort of rotates around the Antarctic area.
This thing would appear to be covering, I'm going to guess, at about between a third, about a third of the globe.
About a third of the globe, a gigantic ozone hole.
And, uh, the person that sent me this said, sheds, uh, shades of, uh, Ed Dames.
Huh.
Art.
And it sure is.
And I don't know about global warming.
I've always, uh, had an open mind, and I've been unsure about those who talk about global warming.
But I think this ozone hole thing is for real.
I just thought I'd pass that along.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi Art, this is Jason from Fresno, California via KMJ.
KMJ, of course.
And I'm going to make two comments and then I'm going to get off the radio.
Alright.
Number one, three nights ago when you were talking about the midnight paralysis or the paralysis in the middle of the night.
Talking about that, yes, well we had a big guest on that last night, yes.
It almost gave me a heart attack because that also happened to me.
And I know you don't want any more reports, but it is a real phenomenon.
And, uh, number two, the caller that had just called in and talked about, um, the man in Florida, you need to look that up.
I'm sure there's going to be other callers that know his name, but it's something like, like Rasputin or Ralph from light, um, in search of did, uh, an expose on him.
And so how did they determine he moved the stones?
They cannot be moved at this day.
They're so heavy, no mechanical device can lift them at this day.
You have to see it for yourself.
I'm sure a lot of callers are going to call in and tell you all about it.
I'm sure they are.
Alright, thank you very much.
So apparently some structure built in a way that nobody is able to understand.
I wonder what the best speculation is about how he did it, and he wouldn't show anybody.
Maybe he had the same secrets the Egyptians had, huh?
What do you think?
What do you think they're going to find inside the Sphinx?
Are you, um, disturbed, upset, that they're going to be opening this in December?
I have... mixed feelings about it.
And... I'm going to be interested to speak with, uh, Mr. Buval and, uh, Mr. Hancock tomorrow night.
They are adamantly opposed, at this point, to the opening of this chamber in the manner in which it's going to be opened.
There are others who are very much interested in it being opened, and I'm going to have to shut my mouth or I'm going to get in trouble here.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Yes, hello, Art.
Yes, sir.
Could you tell me more about Newt Gingrich?
I didn't catch anything about that.
Well, he is accused, and it's not all out in the public right now, of Maybe making some bad tax moves with regard to a course that he held.
And they are investigating that, and apparently more, because they're going to expand the investigation.
So that's about all I know.
There are tax questions.
And the network coverage I saw last night on NBC seemed to feel it was really big trouble for Newt Gingrich.
I don't know why I would say that right now.
I don't know.
With all the trouble that Clinton's been in?
Yeah.
It's a good point.
Well, there is a certain revenge factor here.
You may recall the last Speaker of the House who had to leave.
Foley?
You may recall Newt Gingrich had quite a bit to do with that.
Uh-huh.
And I think there is a big revenge factor here.
However, It's worth bearing in mind that the Ethics Committee investigating voted unanimously to expand the investigation.
That means all the Republicans on it as well.
So maybe there is something here.
Okay, well, thanks Art.
I just want to let you know that I'm John Cohen from Milwaukee on... What station is this?
What station is this?
WTMJ!
WTMJ!
Alright, thank you very much.
That would be my take on it.
It was a unanimous vote.
And the Republicans on that ethics committee well understand the political implications of joining in such a vote at such a moment just before the election.
So my inclination is to think, and I certainly don't want to, but to think they obviously feel there is something substantial to this or they would have gone out of their way not to join in.
Does that make sense to you?
So, I don't know.
Tax problems?
More from Mr. Gingrich?
We will see.
You're listening to live, unscreened, open talk radio on a full moon night with magnetic storms and more.
It should be a hoot.
Stay right where you are.
You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
Thank you for watching.
I'm going to be playing a little bit of Coast to Coast.
I'm going to be playing a little bit of Coast to Coast.
I can't go into a lot of detail on this right now for reasons that may become apparent to
you tomorrow night.
But there's some pretty heavy-duty stuff going on in Egypt.
With regard to the Sphinx and the opening of the chambers below the Sphinx.
And there's a big struggle going on, and I got some calls earlier today, and there's a lot of things right now that, for the sake of the individuals involved, I'm not going to discuss on the air tonight.
But I am going to tell you this.
Nearly anything can happen tomorrow night.
As you know, in the first hour of the program, I've got Zachariah Sitchin's scheduled.
And in the second hour, beginning in the second hour, Graham Hancock and Robert Bulall are going to be here.
And I wish I could tell you more right now, but it might disturb things, so I'm not going to.
But I can tell you there is a great Hi, I'm Mallory Cross in Missoula, Montana.
Shall I give you my phone number?
imagine of some reading on richard hoagland's webpage available
through my might uh...
go some way toward explaining that to you
first-time caller line your on the air hot hi i'm now a cross in missoula montana
why so i give you my
my phone number it is art bell program
uh... this is our bell no don't don't don't don't give us your uh... phone number
You'd be giving that to millions of people.
You don't want to do that.
Okay, well, you mean I'm actually on the radio?
Can you hear me?
I'm calling about tomorrow night, The Pyramids, Graham Hancock and Robert Duvall.
I just moved here from Spain three months ago, and I wrote him a letter when I read his book in June, and I have two books that he hasn't answered.
Maybe he didn't get it.
I have two books about pyramids found in South America.
Would you turn your radio off for us please?
Oh yeah, is that, excuse me?
Yes.
Um, I have a book written in 1935 that, uh, diary of a man who went in with a group and they found somewhere between Brazil and Venezuela pyramids with perhaps survivors they thought might have been the slaves of the people who built the pyramids surrounded by such high mountains nobody could ever figure out where they were after and they found gold objects and they found All sorts of things about the pyramids related to the kind of thing he wrote in his book.
I want to communicate with him.
All right, well, he'll be here tomorrow night, so call in.
Yeah, but I've been calling you for one hour and one half every few seconds to get through, and that's why I called.
That's why I want you, at least, or somebody, to have a way that Hancock can Can you give me some other way to communicate with you?
okay we heard about this don't indicate that they have a great income from the
time of the answer is yes i have uh...
we have a book in spanish you're going to have to communicate with me in another way
on the only one here right now i can take your number can you give me some other
way to communicate with you
uh... yes call this number before the show tomorrow but i'm not mean
Five minutes before ten minutes?
Yeah, five or ten minutes.
Anywhere from a half hour on before the program.
Okay.
All right?
I'll look forward to that.
Thank you.
That's the best I can do for you.
Obviously, I'm in the middle of a program right now, so I can't just stop and do it.
I try to answer calls, I guess I should tell all of you, as I'm able to before and sometimes after a program.
I can't always do it, but I try to do the best I can.
Uh, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Going once.
Uh, are.
Yes.
Uh, I'm calling from Fort Myers, Florida.
Well, good morning.
Uh, good morning.
Um, um, we just saw you on one of your programs.
You mentioned a book that was written by a gentleman.
I believe it was about an incident that happened in the Gulf War on the USS George Washington.
Do you recall that book?
No, I don't, ma'am.
Is there any way you could research later on and mention that?
What was the incident?
Beg your pardon?
What was the incident?
The book was about an incident.
You didn't say.
You just said it was an incident that the government or the Navy had kept secret or something until now.
And this gentleman, I thought you said the author's name was Hudson, but I cannot get any information.
Oh!
You're referring to a book called Black Alert.
Yes.
Is that right?
It was Black something.
Black Alert, yep.
That's a book that we advertised for a while, written by Julian Hudson.
And I'm going to tell you the best way I think that you can proceed, and that is to contact my network, and I'd be glad to give you the number.
Okay.
It's area code 541-664-8829.
829.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay?
And the last name is H-U-D-S-O-N?
Yes.
Okay, because I went to Barnes & Noble, and they don't have anything on it.
Okay, well, um, you probably didn't have the title, and you didn't have the author's name, so they wouldn't be able to look it up.
Now that you've got the title and the author's name, they can order it.
Oh, okay.
Okay?
Okay, I sure do appreciate it.
Okay, take care.
When you go to a bookstore, generally, you've got to have something to go on.
You can't say a book about, this is something that happened in the Gulf War.
You've got to have the author's name or the title of the book.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Art Bell?
Yes.
How's it going?
My name's Rick in Arvada.
Hello.
And I'm listening to you on KO.
Yes, sir, in Denver.
Yeah, and I was wondering, I've been reading this book lately.
It's called The Illuminatus Trilogy.
And I was wondering if you knew anything about The Illuminatus?
I'm not allowed to say anything about it.
You're not allowed?
No, as a 99th degree Mason, they won't let me talk about the Illuminati.
So you're a 99th degree Mason?
If you wish to believe that.
What do you want to say about the Illuminati?
Well, I was just wondering if you had any insight into what was going on, because I've been reading that book for a while.
Well, then you should have insight.
What did the book teach you?
The book is just teaching me a lot of weird stuff.
Is it?
There's a lot of startling...
How do you view it?
I don't know.
to it and I was wondering what you thought about that whole situation or if you believe
that it's real or not.
Not particularly.
Not particularly?
I could tell you the truth.
Well yeah, but I guess the book never got a chance to be classified as fiction or not.
How do you view it?
Well I don't know, I think maybe that it's not real.
Maybe that it's not real.
Well then, regard it as entertainment and enjoy reading, sir.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, I... Yes.
Yeah, they discovered another asteroid that's near the Earth, but they said that it will miss the Earth.
Did you hear about that?
No, but they're always discovering asteroids that are going to be near misses, and what I always wonder is whether we're going to hear about the one that will get us.
Yeah, well, there's got to be.
I mean, will there be an Associated Press story?
Will Dan Rather sit there and say, well, scientists today discovered an asteroid six to eight miles wide that is going to impact the Earth on Saturday?
Oh, mm-hmm.
You think you'd hear about that?
I believe so.
I think more likely you would see the breaking news logo after you felt the ground shake, and you would hear CNN begin to report about what had just hit Earth.
That's what I think is more likely.
Yes.
Yeah, we always hear about it when it's too late.
Exactly.
Like the bullet, sir, you never hear the one or see the one that gets you.
And I'm told by astronomers, amateur and professional alike, that that is probably true.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there.
Yes.
Hello.
This is the Art Bell Show.
Good guess.
Great.
I've been dialing uh... for hours
uh... now you've made it great uh...
tonight we were watching the eclipse and we were into the uh...
uh... talking about different things and we were and then we got into the discussion of the pyramids and i
understand that you were talking about the pyramids oh yes and i have been i
have read graham uh...
hancock's book uh... which is very intriguing uh... the uh...
fingerprints of the gods The Footprints of the Gods, I'm sorry.
Yeah, Fingerprints, actually.
Fingerprints?
Okay, I thought it was Footprints, but okay, Fingerprints.
But anyway, from reading, and then his other cohorts that he mentions in the book, something about Osiris.
I read his other book.
I'm trying to speak quickly, so I don't take up too much of your time.
But from all these different books about... I think it was Serpent... I'm sorry.
I can't think of all the... Forget the books.
What are you trying to say?
What I'm trying to say is all these different theories with the shafts and all these things... Something came to me as a revelation of the way things are lined up in the desert.
Could these pyramids have been beacons?
Well, you've asked a central question that everybody is trying to answer.
In other words, what are the pyramids?
Why are they there?
What lies beneath the Sphinx and other chambers that have yet to be explored?
There are many people, knowledgeable people, who think That there is a virtual library of information within the Sphinx is entirely possible.
There has been a license issued to open the hidden chamber of the Sphinx in December of this year.
And I know a lot more about this right now than I can tell you about.
A lot of it will become, I think, apparent tomorrow night.
So in the interest of not beginning a war here, I'm going to keep my mouth shut and say that you should listen tomorrow night, and I don't guarantee what you're going to hear.
If that sounds overly dramatic to you, I'm sorry, but I'm trying to give you some sense that there's something dramatic, very dramatic, going on without getting into it for the sake of the fact that by tomorrow night it may be resolved, and I only hope that it is or it's going to be one rough ride tomorrow night.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, this is Nathan Collins from San Antonio with the mighty WAI.
Hi there.
I have a couple of questions.
Okay.
You mentioned about the tones the other day, and I had gotten off work late.
I missed the latter part of that conversation.
What exactly were those tones that you were talking about?
Well, you didn't hear the show?
No, I missed the... Okay, number one, you've got to turn your radio off or we can't talk.
Okay.
Can you do that?
Yes.
I'll wait.
Okay.
Jennifer?
Jennifer, thank you.
Jennifer, thank you.
Okay.
There were some tones, an auto-dialer, that broke into the middle of a conversation after two and a half hours and began to auto-dial a certain number.
We traced that number, or I should say determined what that number was, and it yields a very strange tone indeed.
So something was in the middle of our line after two and a half hours of The line being opened between Whitley Strieber and myself.
Oh, I see.
Okay, that's it.
Interesting.
Okay.
Well, in fact, there was a Whitley Strieber symposium up in Austin that I was going to go to.
I heard about that.
Did you hear about that?
No.
Okay, I missed that.
I wanted to go see that.
Supposedly, he was going to speak there.
I've been understanding that he was from San Antonio, and I wanted to hear him.
He is, and I had him on the air for three hours the other night.
You missed it?
I did.
I did.
I listen to your show all the time and I love it.
So you miss the show and you miss the symposium.
I do have another question for you.
Do you mind?
No, go ahead.
Okay.
When we decide actually to send a probe to Mars and explore it, do they have any landing sites that are picked?
I would imagine that the Pyramids of Elysium or whatever they're called would be One major site or those pyramids?
Cydonia, sir.
Cydonia is the region.
Oh, Cydonia?
Yes.
But my feeling is they will not go to Cydonia.
They don't want to go to Cydonia.
I appreciate the call.
They don't want to review with Orbiting Craft Cydonia.
For some reason, NASA has an aversion to going back to Cydonia.
You tell me why.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
How are you?
Fine.
Good.
This is Steve from Santa Barbara.
Hi there.
I had an idea.
The gentleman you were talking to last night, he was talking about auto body experiences and how he could go anywhere.
Yes.
And I thought, wouldn't it be great if he could go to that chamber underneath the sphinx and report to you what he saw?
That would be great.
He said he was pretty accurate when he was doing that.
100%.
Yeah.
And maybe, would it be possible that you could arrange that with him?
Well, I mean, you have suggested it.
I'm sure he's listening, so maybe he'll do it.
That'd be great, because then we could find out, more or less, kind of a preview of what it would be.
Well, I'm willing to take anybody's remote-viewed answer.
We're going to know in December.
And I do believe that it is going to go forward.
So if you can remote-view it, any psychics who want to make a rep for themselves, this is your chance.
Are those who travel out of body?
Are those who have various means of divining these things submitted to me now?
Who knows?
You might be right.
Then you'll have a big rep after December when they find exactly what you have described.
It is a wonderful opportunity.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hey, Art.
Hey, sir.
Yes?
Earlier you were talking about the movie Seven.
Yes.
At the end of it, you may have to go back and watch it.
Uh, he didn't blow him away because he killed his wife.
He blew him away because the wife was pregnant, and it was the baby he had cut out and had in a box.
No, it wasn't.
It wasn't?
It was her head.
Okay, we was watching it over the weekend, and a friend of mine told us that it was her pregnant baby.
Well, you probably need to go back and re-watch it, sir.
Okay.
Well, the question I called about her... Anyway, it doesn't much matter, does it?
Well, no, either way, he had it coming.
Yeah, and either way, I put myself in that position, and it's an interesting question.
That is to say, hold on the line for a second, sir.
What it would take for you to kill?
You ever thought about that?
I thought about that today.
When I watched Pauly Class' father take what I could not have... I could not have taken that.
Of course, they got him out of there very quickly because they knew that if he'd had an opportunity to kill the guy, and I would have too.
I can tell you right now, because I really have sat down and I've thought about it.
If somebody killed a member of my family, I would not...
If I had the opportunity to settle matters myself, before the police settled them, I would do that.
And I'd let a jury of my peers decide my fate.
And if it meant jail, or worse, then so be it.
If somebody broke into my house with intent on doing me harm, I would have no compunction at all, but blown them away.
None.
And I can assure you, if I were in a situation as Mr. Klass had been in, if I could have put my hands around the guy's neck and choked the life out of him, I would have done it.
on it. Go ahead, sir. Okay. You talk about that. You had your earlier interview with
the man about the pieces from the crash. The man was Dr.
Marcel. Yeah, but the fact The first 15 minutes, I'm calling from Little Rock, Arkansas.
The first 15 minutes, they didn't air your program.
I didn't know if there was something in that 15 minutes they didn't want us to hear.
Oh yes, that's where all the secrets were told.
They had something about a man, some other show, and I guess it crossed the line, and I didn't know if there was something.
I just didn't know if you guys were talking about something important we missed.
We caught the last 45 minutes, just the first 15 minutes, they didn't air your show.
That's where he described the beings that he watched.
He watched Cut Up on the Table.
Oh, okay.
You missed all that.
All right, so we didn't really miss nothing important in the first... No, no, you really didn't.
Okay.
All right?
All right, Dave.
Thank you.
We're talking about the recollections, I believe, accurate and honest of a young man who saw his father come home with what Dr. Marcel firmly today believes were pieces of an extraterrestrial craft.
Described calmly and as best he was able to recall.
By the way, for those of you who did not hear it, and have seen the movie, I asked him about the material, you know, that supposedly crumpled and then opened right back up again, and Dr. Marcel recalls no such material, and did not personally attempt to do that, and did not see anybody else who did it.
Short of the movie, which I'm disinclined to buy.
I mean, I think it took some dramatic license, after all.
They suggested that Dr. Marcel had a piece that he kept, which he did not.
So, it is possible that that supposed material that crumpled Uh, really never was, and that may be urban legend myth, uh, ufology myth or something.
At any rate, uh, there you are.
It was a very interesting, honest, open interview.
We'll be right back.
You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
Well, listen, listen to me, cause you've got the key that I hide upon you.
Your duty's open, you're my girl.
Get it on!
Back the car!
On you, your dirty suit and your black coat Get it on, let's go, get it on
Get it on, let's go, get it on When you feel nothing, call your daughter, hug, catch,
dance, or halo Make it like a car, oh yeah
And it's alright, it's coming over We gotta get right back to where we started from
Love is good, love can be strong We gotta get right back to where we started from
Do you remember that day, that sunny day When you first came my way
I said no one could take your place And if you get hurt, if you get hurt
By the little things I say I can set my back on your bed
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell, and it's good to be here.
It is a Thursday morning, and the first hour of the program we had Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
on interviewed him about his dad and what happened 50 years ago in Roswell, and what he remembered.
Sorry if you missed it.
We're into open lines now, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
You know what's going on in Israel right now, with the Palestinians, about 55 dead.
And this is either going to resolve itself peacefully at some point, with all the overtures, or it's not.
And the answer may be not.
It may be the beginning of a civil war in Israel.
What amounts to a civil war.
And I never really did think that this was going to work out with the Palestinians.
Obviously, it is not working out at the moment.
And I don't think in the long term it is, and I don't think in our lifetimes the Israelis are going to make any sort of peace with the Palestinians or the Syrians.
But it's a horrible situation, and it continues.
Now, we were told about someplace in Florida, a very interesting place last hour, And I, frankly, have not been familiar with it.
Art, the place in Florida is called the Coral Castle.
That's from Linda in Fresno.
Then I got this, too.
Art, I saw a report on that gentleman in Florida several years ago.
He said he discovered the secrets of the Great Pyramids and how they were built.
He then proceeded to build a house for his deceased wife, who died years before, stating the secrets also revealed time travel.
A door of that house or to that house weighs four tons.
It is perfectly balanced and can be moved with a finger.
Also a two-ton perfectly balanced rocking chair.
This man one day disappeared without a trace.
Isn't that fascinating?
Well now, this one has escaped me somehow.
Or this, dear Art.
The place in Florida is called the Coral Castle.
Here it is again.
I've been there.
I'm trying to get through to you now.
If you want, you can call me.
Blah blah blah.
This is Stu in Fort Lauderdale in Florida.
Well, maybe I'll call him.
I've got his number here.
I think I ought to call Stu and find out what he knows about this place and about this story.
It's kind of interesting.
Could he have discovered, do you suppose, the secrets the ancient Egyptians had?
And how in the world could he have done what he has done?
Maybe I'll pick up the phone and call him.
You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
All right, because I'm willing to do nearly anything anytime, we have Stu down in Florida,
And he knows about this place called Coral Castle.
Stu, welcome to the program.
Wait a minute, there you are.
Stu, are you there?
I'm here.
Okay, what do you know about this place?
Okay, pretty much the other fact you read was there's this very slight man from Alaska, that's where he came from.
He's like about maybe five foot two.
Uh, weighed about 105 pounds, and he built this house for his supposedly sweetheart.
And the whole thing is carved out of solid slabs of coral.
Coral?
And there's a two-story structure there, which is built out of solid slabs of coral, and there's a fence around the property, which are made of, the walls of the fence are made of slabs of coral.
If you go outside the perimeter, you can see where the slabs of coral were lifted up out of the ground.
Like, if they were laid back down, they would fill the hole completely.
But it's unimaginable how it was hewn out of a solid chunk of coral.
And in this fence wall, there is a... I guess a piece of coral maybe about four feet wide by about six or eight feet high with a spindle going through it.
And it's so perfectly balanced that you can just push it with your finger and it'll spin around like a revolving... a revolving door.
There's all sorts of astrological shapes carved out of coral mounted on the walls.
And this thing, these stones weigh tons?
Tons.
Tons.
And there's primitive blocks and tackle there.
Supposedly he did it all by himself with primitive block and tackle.
And they say he had known the secret of how the pyramids were built.
Well, is that a myth?
Or is there some documentation for it?
No, there's actually no documentation.
No documentation.
So, there's probably a lot of myth that has grown up about this, but still, how could he have done that?
Nobody knows.
It's like nobody knows how we built the Kermit.
Nobody knows how this... Well, if he really had the secret of how to do that, and or time travel, and or levitation, and he's now dead?
Supposedly, yeah.
Supposedly dead or disappeared?
Yeah, I think he's passed on.
Passed on.
But he did hit the tourist attraction down in South Miami in the Homestead area.
Pretty selfish to, you know, leave the world with such incredible secrets.
Yeah, I would imagine so.
and i had to talk to track the pictures of it but i think that you like a
penalty i would love it
and uh... i'll try get some information from the senate to you up if you like
your phone number to the phone book well i think we need to do this on the day of but
photographs would be wonderful it's amazing to look at it is one to have to be
good about double by the filter
he would have the equipment well so you want to use them all put them up on the
internet I will get him out to you.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
Take care, Stu.
That's Stu in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
So, it's real.
But it's hard for me to believe that somebody would have secrets of that magnitude and keep it to themselves and take it to their grave.
Block and tackle?
I don't think so.
Four-ton stones, one man?
I don't think so.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Hi, my name's Eddie.
I'm calling from Omaha, Nebraska.
Yes, Eddie.
I was just listening earlier this week to somebody by the name of Al that was on your show.
Yes.
And he was talking about sleep paralysis.
That was last night.
Yeah, that was last night.
He was very unconvincing.
I've had the episode.
What he said wasn't very convincing to, I think, a lot of your viewers, probably, too.
Well, I don't have viewers, Eddie.
I have listeners.
This is radio.
Yes, I mean listeners.
I'm sorry.
I was just wondering if it was possible that there's another scenario in the sleep paralysis itself, and that there's different kinds of sleep paralysis for different reasons, such as possibly UFOs and stuff like that.
UFOs?
Well, maybe having something to do with it.
In some respects, and maybe not in others.
Well, that's not very convincing, Eddie.
Yes.
I mean, if you have proof, then, on the other hand... Yes, that's what I was wondering, if you could maybe commit to answering some questions in the future, like that.
How could I answer that?
Well, there's a lot of people out there that claim... Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.
You said he was not very convincing.
I rather thought he was, so did everybody.
Yes, he was convincing.
No, no, no.
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.
Please, let me finish.
I'm sorry.
He was, to me, convincing, and to many of my listeners, because I've got a million different faxes, but having said what you said, it seems to me you're offering up a significantly more implausible explanation without any proof.
Yes, that might be true.
Alright, well thank you, Eddie.
Thank you.
Take care.
In other words, You're not buying into his explanation of the power of the mind, which seems rather plausible, and to me you're jumping to a rather implausible explanation, particularly for such a widespread phenomenon.
I am attributing it to, um, UFOs?
UFOs?
Really?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
Hi, this is Tim from Omaha.
Hi, Tim.
Two Omaha calls in a row.
True.
How are you doing?
I'm doing.
I have a question for you.
Okay.
If you're driving along and somebody tails you in the car, what do you usually do if they want you to get out of your car and start a fight?
If I'm in a car and somebody is tailgating me, is that what you're asking?
Right.
And you pull into a restaurant.
Yes.
And you're in the parking lot of the restaurant and they pull in behind you and want you to get out of your car, what would you do?
Strange question, isn't it?
It is a strange question.
I know that you're probably packing, so I don't know.
Well, are you asking whether I would shoot somebody over a tailgate?
No.
No, no, no.
I'm talking would you just drive away and what would you do if he followed you?
You know, I mean, if somebody, look, if somebody came after me, I'm I'm probably going to protect myself.
Does that answer your question?
Sure.
That's all.
I doubt that I would provoke a fight, but I doubt that I would walk away from one either.
I mean, if somebody takes a swing at me, I'm going to swing back in half.
I have one more question for you.
In Russia, it's Mr. Levitz, I think it is?
Leavitt.
Leavitt, yes.
I guess he's the one who's going to take over when Boris Yeltsin goes under the blade, I guess?
Well, actually, the transfer of power has already occurred and Mr. Yeltsin is in the hospital.
And Mr. Leavitt will retain power until Mr. Yeltsin is healthy enough to reclaim his office or goes kaput under the blade, one of the two.
Is it true that one of Mr. Levitt's icons is Francisco Franco?
Well, I don't know.
That I don't know.
I think I read that in a paper somewhere.
He's an interesting character and what I have heard of Levitt is not necessarily all bad.
He is a very traditional Russian and said to be fairly honest and not typical of a lot of Russians.
I know you're coming up on a break here.
I just have one more thing to add.
The other night I was watching The Tonight Show, I think it was either The Tonight Show or Conan O'Brien, and they had Dan Aykroyd on, and he was talking about the chupacabra.
Really?
He was.
I guess Dan Aykroyd has a show coming up about sort of like what you do.
He does?
He does.
It wouldn't seem like Dan Aykroyd's kind of thing.
I thought he was a comedian.
Well, he was a ghostbuster.
Well...
All right.
Have a good evening.
Yeah, you too.
Take care.
It wouldn't seem like a natural subject for him.
When I tackle these topics, I try and do it seriously.
Oh, I will walk off into humor occasionally, but I try and treat these subjects seriously.
And I would think that would be very difficult for Mr. Ackroyd.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I'm calling from Galveston, Texas.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I wanted to talk about that guy who just called a little while ago.
He said about he was talking about an old guy in Florida.
Yes.
Who built a structure with stones and nobody can figure out a coral.
Yeah, I saw that on in search of I don't remember the name either, but I remember it was it was pretty remarkable looking.
And the guy was they said he was about 105 pounds.
He's a very Well, maybe he built the blocks in place.
Anybody consider that?
That's been suggested about the pyramids as well.
If you could not carry or move the blocks, and nobody today can figure out how they did that, maybe they built them, literally poured them in place
yeah could be one possibility
yeah and uh... i want to comment about that that monster
said that the floor uh... polycloset father
now that that guy he couldn't die soon enough and i mean
you're absolutely right that guy
if he did that to my daughter our our there's no i mean i say you know there are conditions under
which uh... reasonably well-balanced person is capable of murder
and uh... it would be murder there's no question about that uh...
But I wouldn't hesitate.
I know, I wouldn't either.
I mean, he's a scum.
He'll be seen, like Mr. Clark said, he'll be seen, Hitler and Dahmer, all the rest in hell pretty soon.
That's right, I believe that too, thank you.
That affected me.
Watching that encounter in the courtroom, and listening to that bastard.
Absolutely affected me, and it began a process of my thinking about killing.
And it's a pretty terrible thing to think about, isn't it?
But I guarantee you, I guarantee you, had I been that man, I could have killed him without a second thought.
And I would have tried.
And if somebody messed with somebody in my family and killed them or attempted to harm them, I would have no compunction.
I guarantee you, I would take them out and deal with the consequences later.
Thought about that, have you ever?
It's not a particularly pleasant thing to think about, but something like that causes you to do it.
And I think most reasonable people, a well-balanced, reasonable people under those circumstances are absolutely capable of murder.
Whatever you want to call it, I suppose the D.A.
would call it murder and charge you, so be it.
I think the average, well-balanced person is absolutely capable of it.
How about you?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, Mr. Bell.
Hello.
Hi, this is Jonathan in Seattle, Washington.
Yes, sir.
Yes, I just wanted to say thank you very, very much for informing your listeners last night about the space shuttle re-entry.
I was lucky enough to be on my way home from work when I heard you announce this, and I got home to West Seattle.
Well, now, I read a fax, and we were an hour... the person who sent the fax was wrong by an hour.
Right, right.
But luckily, my drive is about an hour long.
I got home, turned on the news about 15 minutes prior to it skating the atmosphere.
And it was unbelievably spectacular.
Well, I, of course, went outside.
I determined to.
I was watching CNN after the program, and I found out it was an hour off, and it was due to land at 5.13.
So I figured somewhere around 5 o'clock, or 15 minutes before it would touch down, or 20 minutes, I would see it here.
But we didn't see it here.
I knew it was going to be seen in Seattle.
What did you see, and where was it?
Where did it come across the sky?
It was exactly coming out of the, it would be the west-northwest area.
Right.
You know, over the Pacific.
Okay.
And I was lucky enough to be standing there when I was just struck, just dumbfounded, because I literally was looking in the right direction at the right time, and it just started to spark.
slowly and then burn solidly just at the horizon line, just above the horizon.
And it followed almost a straight line across the horizon.
Well in that case, I would imagine the people up further north, in Canada,
and then maybe even in Alaska, got quite a show.
It probably came right up above them.
Right.
It was my time.
It was 4.42, and then I followed the CNN report from NASA, and it landed exactly 35 minutes later in Florida.
Well, I got to see it once, and it was incredible.
It began on the western horizon about, oh, 20 degrees above the horizon.
As kind of an orange blur.
Right.
And suddenly, that orange blur turned into an orange streak.
And it just went flying right across the horizon.
Absolutely awesome.
Exactly.
Just fabulous.
Yep.
Did you hear a boom?
Uh, no.
Could not hear any sound.
I think it was probably too far north.
By the CNN indicator, it was right on the border of Washington and Canada.
Really?
Yeah.
Alright, well let's see what some Canadians were able to observe.
Thank you.
Okay.
Alright, let's open the line.
Thank you very much for Canada.
Let me see.
Would everybody else on the west of the Rockies line hold up for a moment during this break?
I want to hear from Canada.
Did anybody in Canada, maybe up in Alberta, that would have been about, seems like ground zero for an overhead pass.
Anybody up there happen to catch the re-entry?
When you do, and when it is close, it is absolutely awesome.
And of course, it depends on the final orbit.
That is to say, who's going to see it.
Sometimes it comes across, literally right across Central California.
Really, really cool.
So, if you're in Canada, and you saw it, call me at 1-800-825, whoops, correction, 1-800-618-8255.
1-800-825-... whoops, correction, 1-800-618-8255.
Canada, 1-800-618-8255. Or Alaska.
Now, the Alaskans may also have been treated to quite a show.
I'm glad that some of you realized the person who sent me the fax was off by about an hour, but I'm sure you went to CNN, and so many of you must have seen it.
Alright, we'll pause here at the bottom of the hour.
This is open line, unscreened, live talk radio.
Even I have no idea what is coming next.
And I like it like that.
So if you want to be the next one coming, get on the phone now.
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from september twenty sixth nineteen ninety six alright um... i'd like to people
in fairbanks and anchorage during the break
and uh... they have nothing but clouds so they didn't see it
But it looks like as you move east a little bit... Somebody up in, uh, Alberta got a good look, and here he is.
Hi there!
Hi, how you doing, Art?
So you're up in Alberta, eh?
Yes, sir!
Alright.
Did you, uh, did you go out and take a look?
I did.
I'm not into the astrological things, but...
After talking to you, I just had to see it.
And?
I had to see it.
So you wandered out, and what did you see?
What, uh, where did it cross the sky?
Um, it crossed right over the horizon, going, going eastward, kind of southeast.
Bright red-orange streak.
Wow.
It was cool.
So it came, you say the horizon, it went directly overhead?
Well, a little bit south of me.
A little bit south?
Well, that's what it looked like to me.
You probably had the premier view then.
Probably.
Looked good to me.
Yeah, it really is neat to see that shuttle come back.
Yeah, I work graveyard shift at an alarm company also.
Oh, you do?
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, that beeping sound you wanted, uh, wanted another alarm?
Yes.
Can you play it back and I'll check and see if it sounds like anything we used?
Um, I'd have to go hunt up the number again.
I did that the other day.
You didn't hear it when I put it.
I heard it, but, uh, I just wanted to see if it sounded anything like ours.
Uh, well, I hate to do it again.
Um, maybe I will, though.
I'll see if I can hunt up the number.
Alright?
If it sounds like a bunch of really quick beeps with a pause between them, that's what alarms sound like.
Yeah, it was, uh, obviously looking for a response of some kind.
Yeah.
Uh-huh, so that's my best guess.
Thank you, uh, very much.
So there you are.
See, Alberta got a pretty good look.
I thought Alberta would be about right.
Now, the Alaskans would have had a good look had it not been for nearly total cloud cover, uh, over Fairbanks and Anchorage.
First-time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Arpel.
Yes.
Hi, um, I just have a quick question on, uh, if you've been, uh, Any of those conferences up in Minnesota?
UFO conferences?
Have you been on any of those yet?
Never.
Never.
I was wondering, do you know of any that's coming up?
There was one just in Tampa, and I'm not frankly certain where the next one is coming, but they're coming almost on a monthly basis now.
Okay.
So, why?
Are you wanting to go to one?
I'm going to the one in Minnesota on October 5th.
Oh, I see.
I was wondering if you do any of those.
Uh-huh.
I have not yet.
No.
I have not yet.
Huh.
I'm sitting on a lot of things that I could be doing and I am not doing.
Thank you.
I'll tell you, I've heard in the last two days, I've heard from CBS that wants to do a story.
I got a call from CBS, as a matter of fact, today.
Strange Universe.
Hard copy.
Two other major networks that I can't mention.
I have heard from more networks lately.
I've heard from everybody but Peter Jennings.
I haven't heard from ABC.
Let me put it this way.
I've heard from every major network save ABC.
Some of them want to do something or another and I am just, I have just not been, you know me, in television.
I don't like TV.
And these TV folks can't understand that.
They just don't understand it.
And I know how they feel.
I mean, it is their medium and their baby.
But I have always felt, I really have always felt, and I really still do, and you know, they really try to tempt you.
I mean, we're talking money here.
They try to tempt you into doing television, and I don't think it's a good idea.
And, of course, I've been invited to a million of the UFO conferences, and I could be jetting all across the country all the time, and I haven't done that either.
So, I try to stay focused on what I'm doing here.
And I have this feeling that if I go and try to do, you know, it's the Peter Principle, that people will eventually rise to a level Of incompetency, or to a job for which they are not competent.
And I like doing what I do here.
And so I'm hesitant to go out and do other things.
Maybe I'll someday get over that, I don't know.
Or maybe not.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
KQM, it's Radio California.
Well, hello there.
So if I go on vacation with you, do I get to follow you around?
Well, sure.
No, because if I don't, I'm not going.
Well, are you going?
If I don't get to follow you guys around and party with you guys, then I'm not going.
I see.
Well, we are there to meet with people, so yes, uh... Because I want to watch you eat.
You want to watch me eat?
Yeah, I'm nosy.
Well, I do copious amounts of that on cruises.
Everybody does.
I get it.
I've seen those commercials.
It's actually, it's totally deadly.
I mean, they feed you the best food, I mean, the best food in the world, all you want, any time of day or night, And there is no way to go on that cruise without coming back with more pounds.
No, seriously, I mean, you know, the pyramids are there for many lifetimes.
We only have you for one lifetime.
Well, unfortunately, it's this one.
Uh-huh.
So, you know, the reason I have to know is because I'm saving up to go to that Farsight Institute.
Oh, are you?
Yeah.
Going to become a remote viewer?
Uh-huh.
I thought it was really cool.
You know what I really like about it?
What?
It's a metaphysical discipline with a scientific discipline applied to it.
That made it really attractive to me.
I think people go really overboard on that New Age thing sometimes.
They are kind of out there.
Well, sometimes.
You know, sometimes, but you know, for example, the guest I had on last night?
No, no, he had excellent credentials.
Yeah, I really buy into that.
I've not done it, but I felt the beginnings of it, and I have a feeling he's dead right.
Mm-hmm.
Listen, I want to tell you something else.
You know what?
I used to smoke cigarettes, and I got this subliminal tape, and I haven't smoked cigarettes since May, and the catalog that I got it out of has this tape in there called Freedom from Allergies.
Right.
And it's supposed to use your subconscious to keep you from being allergy free.
I bet you it would really work for Mona's asthma.
Sounds pretty touchy-feely to me.
It's not.
In fact, I read the messages.
Dr. Jonathan Parker, they carry a lot of his stuff.
The messages that they give you are very psychologically sound.
Very psychologically sound principles.
Yes.
And they really cover all aspects of whatever habit you're trying to conquer.
It's very, very interesting and I think I'm going to send you a catalog.
Alright, dear. I'll look forward to it. Thank you.
I firmly believe, and that's why you see me into these topics,
and that's why you see me treat them seriously, because I firmly believe that we are more than just our
shell, our bodies.
Our minds are capable of things that we have not yet begun to dream about.
There are things out there, I'm going to begin to sound like Neil Armstrong, but there really are things out there that we have not begun to explore yet.
And I think more and more people these days are waking up to that fact.
And so you hear me do a lot of that sort of thing.
My wife is in her second day of a pretty serious asthma attack.
And, uh, so that's, uh, taken a lot out of me in the last day or so.
Uh, she has, um, asthma.
The poor gal has had it since she was a child.
And, uh, it's a pretty serious attack.
Not as serious, uh, yet as the last one, but, uh, very serious.
Disabling.
I mean, to the point where... You can only, uh, sit and concentrate on trying to breathe.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Morning, Art.
How you doing?
Okay.
A couple of quick things.
You talk about the guy in Homestead about the quarrel?
Yes.
Yeah, he was featured on Unsolved Mysteries.
I'm sure it was one of the old reruns.
Right.
And what they were talking about, he would be working and people would come up and see him lifting things with his fingertips and he'd stop whatever he was doing and talk to them and ask all the questions and stand there and wait for them to leave and when they left he'd go right back to doing his work.
Well, why would a man with an incredible secret like that take it to his grave?
I don't know.
It was one of the strange things about him, too.
They said he would never ask anything direct, any answering direct questions about how he did things, but he would tell that he had the secret to how to build the pyramids.
And that he just didn't want the secret to get out, and it was something that was too powerful for anybody else to understand.
Oh, that's really intriguing, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, it's something.
And about Dan Aykroyd, I want to say he was, uh, about him, he's real serious about the, uh, UFOs and different things like that.
When he made, uh, that interview with him when he was making my, um, I guess my stepmother is an alien.
And he was talking about he'd like to get interest in, his interest in UFOs and different things like that.
So he, I think he would take it pretty seriously.
Well, I would hope so.
Yeah, if he's going to do something on it, I would hope he would take a serious approach to it.
Otherwise, he ought not do it.
Oh, this is Scott, by the way, from Tennessee, WPN.
All right, Scott.
All right, thanks a lot.
Thank you.
Enjoy your show.
Take care.
There is an awakening going on across America to things that people used to laugh at or scoff at, and they're not laughing anymore, and they're not scoffing, and they're beginning to pay attention.
And I'm frankly glad to see it.
I began looking at this sort of thing many years ago in talk radio, and I would do a number of shows.
I would simply deviate every now and then because I got sick of talking about nothing but the news, or politics more specifically.
So I've done interviews in all of these areas, and we've had discussions for years about these kinds of things, and now all of a sudden I see the rest of the country beginning to come around.
And it's a kind of an awakening, and it's a positive thing.
I believe that it's a very positive thing.
There are still many who sit on the sidelines and chuckle away.
Well, let them do so.
There is more to life than that which is apparent from a material point of view.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Jim from Omaha?
Yes, sir.
On your call, Castle?
Yes.
Remember the old series, uh, In Search of Leonard Newton Memoy?
Sure.
They had a special on this, a 30-minute program on this.
Right.
And, uh, I said, I copied the program.
And this gentleman originally built this, uh, place, and he got mugged in this place.
And he moved it 30 miles.
And in interviews they did with people that, uh, a truck driver.
He rented a truck.
Well, he must have known something, again, to take it to the grave.
load these big rocks and move them thirty miles.
And he wrote a book called Magnetic Current.
Never was published.
Never sold.
But there is a television show on that, Carl Castle, shows some home films of him.
Well he must have known something again to take it to the grave.
Yeah.
Well the people that he got the land from originally when he showed up, he told the
owner which was his only friend that he discovered, which they interviewed, the secret how they
did the pyramids.
They got the home film of him in his Coral Castle.
And what happened to him, he put a suit on, went to town one day, checked himself in the hospital and died in the hospital.
He had tuberculosis.
Really?
Yeah.
If I ever get a copy of that, I'll send it to you.
I'll look forward to that.
Thank you.
In the meantime, there is somebody who's going to send photographs that he took, and we'll get those up on the web.
That is amazing, isn't it?
Can you imagine taking a secret like that to your grave?
On the other hand, somebody said that the technology, or maybe that's the wrong word, the power that he had discovered was too significant to give to the world now.
Maybe he had a point.
I mean, we are not exactly the quintessential gentle civilization that one might hope we would be someday, eh?
So, we would probably use it to drop four-ton blocks on our enemy.
Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And we're back.
Peace.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, this is Mark from Murfreesboro.
Hi, Mark.
Yes, and I was wanting to ask Art Bell, About the possibility of getting Jacques Vallee on the show?
Well, uh, this is... And I was also wanting to ask him about... Sir, sir?
A possible... Sir?
Sir?
Sir?
Slow down.
Yes.
I am Art Bell.
Oh, Art!
Yes.
Yes, uh, Jacques Vallee.
Uh, send me his number.
Okay, I can do that.
I can fax it to you.
Alright.
Can you give me your fax number?
Area code 702-727.
Eight four nine nine.
Okay.
And one other thing I wanted to say, uh, uh, about the Roswell Arts Park.
Yes.
It could be a, uh, government, uh, the faction of the government that, that, that, uh, Dr. Boylan was talking about a couple of years ago.
There's no question about it.
They may be trying to throw you off.
What do you call it though?
You know, To hook you, you know.
Well, they've done a good job.
What?
They've done a good job.
I'm hooked.
Yeah, but I mean, it could not be.
It's possible that it's not from, you know, some flying saucer from outer space.
Of course it's possible, but either way, sir, it's a big story because either they have created this or did create it sometime in the past.
In their work in trying to get a lifting body or a saucer or whatever you want to call it, our own government, or it's from elsewhere.
Either way, it's a pretty big story, wouldn't you say?
Yes, sir, and I like your open-mindedness and your carefree attitude that you have to your show and everything.
It's an attitude about life, not just my show, sir.
It is manifested in the program that I do, thank you.
I am pretty much open to anything.
Why not?
If you close your mind, then you're very likely going to miss something important eventually, aren't you?
Now, an open mind will no doubt attract things that are without meaning.
On occasion, we see plenty of that here.
But then also on occasion you will stumble into things that with a closed mind would have passed you by in the night unnoticed.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, this is Paul from Green Bay.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, how are you doing tonight?
Fine.
Yeah, I wanted to help you out with a couple of things you've been talking about for the past few days.
Alright.
One was, have you ever heard of narcolepsy?
Yes.
And that's what they call the sleep paralysis.
No.
Narcolepsy, sir, is a, I believe, An illness where people are prone to falling asleep right in the middle of their daily activities, being at work, that kind of thing.
Right, but I was told, because I had the sleep paralysis for quite a long time, and I was told that it's like another form of narcolepsy.
It's actually a mild form of epilepsy.
Well, now that may be, it's been called a grand or minor mal seizure.
So that could be?
and the indeed the i guess that you had on inter or every time that i had uh... the the episodes
uh... there's always been a a i'd be in the uh...
or something dark that was poking at me or trying to get at me
well with their technical about some of the the uh... explanation that he gave
well and all the lot of people are sir came on and verified uh... exactly what
it was that he said if you listen carefully and awful lot of people came on and
uh... verified and i don't know a million taxes and uh... emails
people that have experienced that people who said thank you you know i thought i
was the only one that kind of thing Bye.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello, turn your radio off.
That's good.
Where are you?
Yes, sir.
Mr. Bill, you have that strange automated telephone thing, did you figure out what that was?
Well, I'm working on the idea of an alarm system right now, but no, it's not settled yet.
No problem.
Well, I heard the sound yesterday, and if it's the same one, you can find out.
Unfortunately, I don't have a telephone number here for you, but I'm sure one of your colleagues can give it to you.
U.S.
Naval Observatory has a time telephone number to call.
Right.
And it gives you, uh, uh, I think two pitches and a tone.
Right.
And it's not looking for anything back, but it just blurts it out real quick, takes about seven seconds.
Well, this thing was looking for an answer of some kind.
And, and... I was listening to it on your, on your, uh, web page that sounds the same.
I'm sorry?
I was listening to it on your, on the web page that you have?
Uh, on the internet?
Listening to what?
Oh, the sound.
It was digitized.
No, they've got it up there?
Yeah.
I'll be damned.
I didn't know that.
They're quick!
Oh, I know.
Listen, Keith is so fast.
He gets stuff up there sometimes before I even ask, and this is another case of that.
But check it out.
Last I knew, there wasn't a 1-800 number for it, but when I dial it from my computer at work to set the time on the machine, if I leave the modem on, it sounds like that.
All right, sir.
Thank you very much.
I know my modem does not sound like that.
Uh, no modem, uh, sounds like that.
It may be that an alarm system, um, look sounds like that.
But, uh, modems are very distinctive.
Uh, slower speed modems with what appears to sound like a single tone.
A very different sound for the higher speed modems.
It's also, uh, not a fax tone.
We'll be back!
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
Dinah Bell.
Thank you.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
We had one hour early on with Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr.
Somebody writes, Art, I was just listening to your interview with Dr. Marcel.
I was hoping you'd ask him if he was familiar with Art's parts and if they resembled what he had handled when he was living in Roswell.
Well, in a sense, I did.
He mentioned some materials that sounded very, very much like the alleged skin of the spacecraft that we have, blackened on one side, a charcoal, kind of, not plastic, of course, but a layered material, and that's why I asked him whether any of the material appeared to be layered, and he had not examined it that closely.
It is a very fine layering indeed, as you know, of bismuth and magnesium.
And so I went that far.
Art House Comet.
There's a little picture of my cat.
Comet is doing, by the day, leaps and bounds better.
Whatever became of that rumor that Chuck Harter had been abducted by a black helicopter?
Is there any truth to it?
...of the show, brought up at WGL, Jeff, in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
Um, just, uh, I can only tell you, Jeff, that I, too, have heard that rumor.
Doesn't mean it's true.
Doesn't mean it's not.
Uh, good morning, Art.
Jesse Marcel Jr.
was an interesting person.
With regard to the factualness of his report, it was obvious, as you pointed out, that he was not embellishing the account at all.
There are two things that bear further investigation.
If I were him, His father's effects that are in storage, yes, of course.
I'd have gone through those with a fine-tooth comb.
Secondly, I'd make every attempt to try and decipher those symbols on the beam.
Of course, the only way that could be done, if at all, would be through regressive hypnosis, and he does not seem amenable to that.
So, here we are with a mystery.
Exactly correct.
We are left with, as is always the case, it seems, a mystery.
So, it's open lines.
I can tell you this.
We have unusual conditions going on.
Shortwave is extremely depressed at the moment by magnetic storms that are going on.
We had a full moon eclipse earlier in the evening.
A red moon.
I went out and saw it.
It was incredible.
And there's a lot of radiation washing over Mother Earth at the moment.
So it'll be an interesting night, and I suspect people will be affected by it, as they always are by a full moon
and perhaps more so with a magnetic storm underway.
So who knows?
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Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning.
Good morning.
How are you today?
Okay.
Um, the thing about the Coral Castle, I have a tennis-sorted snapshot print here.
And I'd like to send them to you if I could get your address.
I would love it.
Are you ready?
Yes.
It's Art Bell, Post Office Box 4755.
Yes.
In Pahrump.
Don't laugh at that.
P-A-H-R-U-M-P.
Okay.
Nevada.
zip code uh... eight nine zero four one dash four seven five five
okay also he had on made that capital for a sweetheart That's what I heard, yes.
And after he died, they contacted her to see if she'd like to see it, and she didn't want anything to do with it.
Really?
Yes, I thought that was very sad.
Gratitude for you.
Right, but, um, there's like ten different snapshots, there's a panorama, a map of Florida, a moon fountain, nine-ton gate, Polaris telescope, heart-shaped table, giant obelisk, Well, there are a lot of things we don't understand.
I'll look forward to it.
Okay, thank you.
sundial and it was very strange because he lived you know the sundial um they said that that's the
way he lived he was like um from the dark ages or something well there are a lot of things we don't
understand right but it's a beautiful place and uh i will send you these snapshots i'll look forward
to it okay thank you and i'll i'll take the best of what i get and get it up on the web
You know what else?
I've got some really incredible shots of the pyramids.
Boy, you know, that brings to mind, again, the... I want to tell you about the cruise.
And I'm not going to go all through it.
I'm just going to tell you that we're going to Athens, Greece, Cairo, Egypt.
We're going to Giza, the pyramids, the Sphinx.
Going to Israel, Jerusalem, Haifa.
We're going to the Greek Isles, and they are absolutely spectacular.
Going to Naples, Italy.
Pompeii.
Boy, do I want to see Pompeii.
The Isle of Capri.
We're going to Rome, Italy.
It's all on the Mazda.
It's a cruise.
It's luxury.
It's the best ship I've ever been on.
It's the same one we were on this last trip.
Except this time we're going to some places that I really, really, really want to go to.
It is a year from October 1st.
You've got plenty of time, but you don't.
You don't have plenty of time.
In other words, as always, we book this far ahead of time, and as always, it books very, very quickly, and we quickly reach a state where it is sold out.
Boy, am I looking forward to this.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, this is Ed in Sutherland, California.
How you doing, Ed?
Okay.
A couple of very diverse questions.
First, Jackie Gleason, the white comedian?
Yes.
He was very interested in UFOs, and I wonder if you ever heard the story that he actually saw the bodies of ETs?
There is that rumor floating around.
Yeah, he was a friend of President Nixon, and he asked Nixon to see the bodies, and I just heard vaguely a little bit about it, and I wonder, you know... No, I cannot confirm it.
You know, I heard the same rumor.
Yeah, well, that's something.
And also, you know, I'm interested in Nikola Tesla.
And there was a city in Northern California named after Tesla, and I can't find too much information about it, and I wonder if anybody out there might, uh... I suppose that would be Tesla, California, right?
Yes!
That's it.
It was near Livermore, California.
Uh-huh.
That's all I know about it, and it was in the 1890s, and, uh...
Uh, and I suppose the entire city runs on free power, right?
Uh, well, I think the city disappeared.
So I'm talking a little bit about it.
The city, excuse me, disappeared?
Disappeared.
It was a coal mining area and then became a ghost town.
Now I think it's a cow pasture.
All right, thank you very much for the call.
The city named after Tesla dis- I thought he meant actually, physically, disappeared.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
Hello.
Yeah, this is Mark in KEX, uh, slash Covo country.
Yes.
I headed up there.
Say, um, when you go to Israel, you ought to go to the tomb of the patriarch in, uh, hmm, what town is that in?
It's in, uh, Hebron.
Okay.
Supposedly, underneath it is the tomb of, uh, Abraham and Isaac and stuff.
Yes.
The last person to go down there was a 12-year-old girl that Moshe Diane sent down because the opening is so small.
Yes.
And she said that she saw a bone in like a, what would you call it, a pier that like the body lays on?
Yes.
And that just, I think that'd be an interesting thing since you're, you know, going into strange little areas like under the sinks and stuff.
Yeah, but I'm not 12 and I'm not little.
Well, that's true.
You know, that is an interesting place.
Now, my wife is fairly small.
Maybe she should crawl down there.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Well, your son is bigger than you.
I saw the picture.
Yeah, he's gigantic.
Yeah, he is.
But anyway, apparently there hasn't been like an adult down there, you know, well, I guess about 30 years before the, you know, the Six Day War or whatever it was.
I'll check it out, thank you.
people like private guard there and uh...
actually went down in there and the the colleague of that down at
the time found out about it and like concrete it over the uh...
the opening you feel that i got there but their story like people have been uh...
you know if i have a white goes down there and things like that
pretty strange i'll check it out thank you there you know the most of the world
the rest of the world and americans don't necessarily realizes and to reduce the traveling
but in most parts of the world bribery
is the norm And I'm out.
And when you want to get something and get somewhere and get something done, you bribe.
I mean, that's all there is to it.
In most of the rest of the world, South America, Asia, especially in Asia, and certainly in Eastern Europe, that is absolutely true, Russia, China, most of the rest of the world operates on bribe.
I know it's a horrible thing to have to contemplate, but it really is quite true.
You can bribe your way into about anything.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hey Art?
Hey yes?
Art?
Yes?
I was calling to tell you about Dan Aykroyd.
Uh, yes.
Um, I saw him on Rosie O'Donnell's talk show.
Yes.
He was talking about that show and he's very serious about it.
He's been working with several scientific groups and, uh, they've, uh, don't quote me on this, but I believe what he said they were going to do or going to reenact some actual stories that they've investigated and found to be, uh, trustworthy.
And this group that he's been working with has disproved several false things that people been reporting.
And they hunt down true stories and investigate them, and then on the show, they're supposedly going to reenact them.
I am suspicious of that.
Yeah, they're going to do it sort of like the X-Files, he said.
Yeah, I see.
Alright, well, thank you.
I am suspicious of that, reenactments.
I could envision, for example, a reenactment of the Roswell mystery.
Why would that necessarily be any more accurate or reliable than anybody else's?
Example, the interview we did in the first hour tonight I think is as close to hearing what really happened as you're going to hear.
That was Jesse Marcel Jr.
and he told us what he really saw And what he didn't see.
And unfortunately, when you do reenactments and you're doing something for dramatic value, you know, as in a television show, you're under pressure to make it interesting.
And I'm sorry, and I have no reflection on Dan Aykroyd, and I'm sure that it will come out just fine, but there's pressure to make it look better than it was.
And even the movie Roswell, which even Jesse Marcel said was fairly faithful, found it necessary to put twists in the story.
The unfolding foil, which Jesse never saw.
The piece which Jesse supposedly took or kept, which in real life he did not.
And it's a little difficult to separate myth from reality, and when you're doing things in reenactments, it's I think too tempting for people in the TV industry to include things that ought not be.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, yeah.
About the chupacabra?
Yes.
Did you hear anything about a study that was done by some scientists in Central America where they looked at some of the victims of the so-called chupacabra and they found that the bite marks and the nature of the attacks matched Like the attacks typical of wild dogs and things like that.
Well, of course I've heard that.
How does that account, though, for the hundreds or even thousands of animals that have been found with the bite marks on their neck and all the blood drained?
Dogs don't drain blood.
Well, I mean, blood's a really good source of protein.
Yes, but you're missing the point, sir.
With just two bite marks on the neck, there is no dog I know of that can drain all the blood from an animal.
Well, I mean, I think you get a lot of hysteria, like, you know, and, you know, someone talks about a goat sucker, and then suddenly every attack is associated with the chupacabra.
Oh, sure.
It's like UFOs.
Not everything people see in the sky is an alien spaceship.
Yeah, I mean, Jackie Gleason, you know, being extraterrestrial, what's up with that?
I mean, I just, you know, I just think it's funny how people are so quick to sort of jump to all these conclusions, you know, like this new species of a goat sucker, I mean, like, Like a new animal is going to suddenly appear or something.
Why not?
Well, I mean, you know, I just think it's really incredulous.
Well, let's think about this a little bit.
There's a lot of incredulous stuff, sir, that goes on, but is nevertheless true, like the coral castle that we've been hearing about this morning.
Now... Well, didn't he use a block and tackle or something, though?
I mean... There was some sort of block and tackle.
They're not capable of moving blocks that size.
Yeah.
Well, I mean... So maybe you'd like to answer for us how it was done.
I can't answer it.
I mean, I'm sure there's an explanation.
I just... I'm just not really quick to believe, like, you know, all this sort of... Well... I don't know.
I don't listen to the... Do you believe that animals become... species become extinct?
Yeah, certainly.
You do believe that?
Yeah.
Unreasonable to believe that new species appear?
Uh, no.
I mean, I think, yeah, that happens for sure, but not by such a big leap as, you know, something that sucks blood, you know, feeds in a completely different manner than... Well, you said it yourself, blood is protein.
Uh, yeah, that's true, yeah.
A lot of things... I think bats drink blood, don't they?
Yeah, yeah.
So it is not unreasonable to believe that there would be a creature that would sustain itself with protein and blood.
Well, yeah, that's true, and a lot do, but why would it suddenly appear now?
I mean, why are species becoming extinct now?
Well, because man is taking away its habitat, or animals' habitat.
That's a very small cause.
It is indeed a cause.
Or maybe it's a big cause.
I don't know.
But there are species that become extinct without the help or the hindrance of man.
Yeah, that's true also.
I mean, it's a natural process.
So that there could be a new creature.
I mean, it's like asking, why are there new diseases?
Yeah, I mean, you have a good point.
But I think, you know, for a new sort of A new animal that's so different from anything that's previously been described that flies and jumps around like a little, you know, some sort of vampire, dinosaur.
I mean, the descriptions are so weird from a few things I've read.
It just, I don't know.
And, you know, how is it suddenly, you know, how does it radiate so fast?
It's seen in Mexico and then suddenly it's in, you know, New England or something.
I don't know.
Well, those are questions I don't have answers for.
I haven't heard about New England.
Where has it been seen there?
Well, I thought I heard in Massachusetts or something.
Really?
I mean, here you go now, spreading new information.
I hadn't heard it was in New England.
There's an article in Outside Magazine, I think.
Here we go.
Alright, sir.
Thank you.
Alright, so the chupacabra now seen in New England.
Tsk, tsk, sir.
Spreading rumors like that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, sir.
I'm calling from Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
Yes, sir.
This is the first time I've called.
I've only heard you twice, and I must say I'm very impressed.
Well, thank you.
Two questions.
Number one, my grandmother lives in Sumner County, Tennessee.
Right.
And for years and years, we've seen helicopters go by without any markings.
Black helicopters.
Right.
Well, yeah, I guess so.
There is one important thing I must ask you.
Okay.
Have you seen Chuck Harder?
Have I seen what?
I guess it doesn't matter.
Chuck Harder.
No, I haven't.
No, you haven't.
All right.
I mean, hanging out or waving or screaming for help or something.
Okay.
Anyway, so helicopters.
Right.
And number two, and I'll hang up and listen to you, I was told to ask what the arts part are.
He said it would be very interesting.
Well, it is very interesting, and that's a very difficult question, but I'll try and answer it in a nutshell.
Arts parts were sent anonymously from Charleston, South Carolina, by a man who claims his father was on the retrieval team at Roswell, New Mexico, and he claims these parts are from a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle of some kind.
We received them better than a half year ago, and we have been testing them all over the country in labs all over the country.
We have a lot of anomalous results.
As a matter of fact, right now, we have got a video that you can get just by going up to my website.
It will run on any 486 computer with a math code processor.
You can download it.
You can see the tests that were run at Redstone Arsenal down in Alabama.
And they are completely anomalous.
Absolutely fascinating.
We've had them at Carnegie in Washington.
We've talked to rare metals manufacturers.
And so far, nobody knows what we've got.
That's what we affectionately call Arts Parts.
We'll be right back.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26th, 1996.
This is a remastered version of the original game.
The original game was released on the 1996 by the USGS.
So, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
I'm going to go ahead and get started.
Tonight's program originally aired September 26th, 1996.
Open lines this evening.
Tomorrow night, Zachariah Sitchin.
Followed by Graham Hancock and Robert Duvall and maybe more.
And I don't want to give anything away right now.
I just want to tell you that there is a gargantuan struggle going on regarding what's going to occur at Giza in December.
And, um, it's like, I want to tell you more, but I know better.
It would be a disservice right now to a number of individuals were I to open my mouth.
and I'm dying to say what I want to say, but I guess 24 hours, we can wait 24 hours.
I'm dying to say what I want to say, but I guess 24 hours, we can wait 24 hours.
I'm dying to say what I want to say, but I guess 24 hours, we can wait 24 hours.
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Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Boy, I hope you're going to come along on this next cruise.
You know how cool cruises are?
Instead of, you know, going to this many places, You would normally have to get on an airplane, and pack, and unpack, and pack, and unpack, and go into hotels, and it's horrible.
Horrible!
Even though you're seeing exotic locations and having a blast, this packing-unpacking business is horrible.
With a cruise, you have your own room, cabin, and it's home.
And so the ship docks, and you take the minimum amount of stuff you want to have a good time that day, and you go ashore, and you have fun.
You have great fun.
And then you come home, and all your things are in the cabin.
So if you have never been on a cruise, I urge you to consider this next one that we're going on.
It's going to be incredible.
Really incredible.
And it's an easy way to go as compared to the alternative.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
This is Russell.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, a couple of comments here.
First, over there in Israel, there's no hope for peace unless Israel is either wiped off the face of the map or Palestine has their own state.
And I don't see that happening.
No, that's not going to happen.
And the Palestinians and the Syrians and others, more quietly, are going to continue to want Israel to disappear from the face of the earth.
And eventually it's going to come down to blows.
And I kind of see that as also what's going on in Bosnia, you know.
As soon as we leave.
As soon as we leave.
It's an all-out massacre, you know?
Or just... I know.
And probably President Clinton is going to get a Nobel Peace Prize for what he has done.
And my question at this point would be, when all hell breaks loose, can they take it back?
Yeah, exactly.
And same with Haiti and Northern Ireland.
I mean, this is all...
This Clinton is just an amazing thing.
It's just imagery.
It seems like that's all this guy's interested in is delaying the inevitable with a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
There's no substance to any of his policies.
Yes, there is.
I don't fault him for trying in Bosnia.
I would fault him for not trying.
And any president would have had to have tried I mean, you know, we have some responsibility, I know that, to go in there and try to prevent a holocaust, try to prevent genocide.
Well, I mean... How far we go to do that, I don't know, but I don't fault him for trying.
It's just that I understand, as you do, that the minute we leave, they're going to go back to doing what they do, and that's killing each other.
Yeah, but I felt that we would have just armed both sides and let them go at it.
You know, the Muslims have their world view, and the Protestants, European, Christian, whatever, you know, they have their world view, and they just, they've always clashed.
This goes back to the dark ages, you know, the knights and all, the round table and all that.
It's always been the same story.
I mean, let's face it, you know, as far as I'm concerned, there's never going to be peace until Jesus Christ is sitting on the throne ruling his kingdom.
And until then, we're just, you know, we got to keep, everybody's got to keep themselves armed to the teeth.
Well, I'm with you there.
Thank you very much.
You defend yourself.
I really don't fault Clinton for trying in Bosnia.
I don't think he had any choice.
I really don't think he had any choice.
But I don't think it's going to work.
And I do think if we leave, Unless there's an international presence there for the next 40 years or so, which there may be, the minute the force leaves, the war will resume and the genocide will resume.
It's pretty safe bet.
What's going on now in Israel?
It's a little difficult to understand how that will be resolved without it becoming an all-out war.
It may.
I'm very interested.
I want to see Israel.
I want to see Egypt.
I want to see these areas.
I mean, there's a little bit of danger, but every trip I've had has had a little bit of danger.
So what?
You go into Communist China, there's a little bit of danger.
You go into Russia these days, there is a fair amount of danger.
You go to Israel, there's danger.
You go into areas where there's terrorism, there is danger.
But I like living life, and These are things I want to see, and I'm not going to be stopped because there's a little bit of danger.
So I think this coming trip, you have no idea how I'm looking forward to it.
I have wanted to see, all my life, the pyramids.
And with the programs I've been doing, and the ones that are coming, the one coming up, as a matter of fact, later tonight.
Boy, is that going to be a program.
Don't miss that!
Graham Hancock, Robert Bavall, And maybe more.
There are developments that will occur during the day today that will dictate what's going to occur tonight, and I can't tell you I know what's going to happen.
I can tell you there are dramatic, powerful things afoot.
And tonight you'll learn about it.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
All right.
Yes.
This is Corky in Tennessee.
Yes, sir.
Uh, we had a UFO sighting here back before you went on vacation, and you called for information on it.
Don't know if anybody ever responded, but I have some.
Alright, what can you tell me?
Uh, I'm capsulizing from a newspaper article in the Portland, Tennessee Leader.
Okay.
Uh, this family lives pretty much out in the country, and this incident started about four o'clock in the morning.
Okay.
Uh, the father was awakened by a sound which, uh, It sounded like animals scurrying around the roof.
And he got up, went, looked out, saw nothing, went back to bed.
And about 4.30 a.m.
he heard it again and went and looked.
And he described an entity, which the newspaper does not describe, that was standing on his deck looking back at him.
And there was a small white light about the size of a baseball floating around his yard about four feet off the ground, and it seemed to be chasing this entity.
He also noticed, looking out through his backyard, he said about two miles away and perhaps 500 feet off the ground, there was a larger white-yellow light, which at one time was emitting red rays.
Did he describe the entity?
If he did, the newspaper did not pick up on it.
They left a description of the entity out of the paper.
Dumb reporters.
But this thing left scratch marks on his deck, and they published a picture, which is not very clear.
This light chased the entity under his cars in the driveway, and he noticed that the antennas on the cars were vibrating back and forth.
A neighbor saw this light, so he had a witness.
So he woke up his wife and children, and they got up, and they viewed all of this, and it went on until daylight began to dawn.
And they went back to bed.
Later, they got up, and the husband, about 9 a.m., thought everything was cool, everything was over.
So he took off to the hardware store, and after he left the house, it started all over again.
She went and pulled back the curtains in the den, and this entity was standing on the deck looking back at her.
Subsequently, they called the State Highway Patrol and the local police.
They all investigated, and a local national TV station, CBS, went up and did a story.
Incidentally, they treated it seriously.
They did not use it.
I understand.
The fellow has said since that if he had known what he knows now, He would never have allowed the media on his property.
He is of course being called a kook at work and going through the usual aftermath that
people tend to go through.
But he had two large dogs which slept right in the yard through the whole thing.
And later they noticed in the morning that the dogs were unresponsive to light and they
seemed to be heavily sedated.
They took the dogs to the vet and one of them had a cut about an inch and a half on his
back leg.
Wow.
But that's pretty much what the newspaper had to say.
Well, the only complaint I've got is that how could they possibly go out there and not ask for a description of the, quote, entity?
I agree.
Like I say, this is a small town, a very small town newspaper, and I think maybe somebody must have been sympathetic to this fellow and just overlooked that part.
I see.
I see.
Well, I really appreciate that.
Yes, I remember the report, and I was having a hard time getting any information on it that night, but that is fascinating.
Well, a MUFON representative has been there.
He was there the next day.
If anybody out there has got a copy of the original newspaper article, I'd love to have it.
I'll send it to you.
I just, this fell into my hands.
My sister rounded it up for me.
She lives very near where this happened and she picked up an old copy of the newspaper.
I suppose by now the poor fellow is probably not pleased with the press and probably wouldn't want to talk to me, huh?
Uh, he is not named in this article.
You, uh, might have to call the newspaper to track that down.
But, uh... If anybody can help out there, it sure would make a cool interview.
Well, I will, uh, I'll copy this and send it to you, and I'll make a couple of phone calls and alert the paper that you might call them.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
Uh, and I would love to interview that man.
That sounds like he, uh, he's really been, uh, put through it.
Perhaps he would like an opportunity to tell his story.
Uh, without scorn, and I would certainly provide that.
Something definitely happened there.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi!
Art, good morning.
Good morning to you.
Um, couple of things.
Uh, number one, the, uh, fellow that killed the little girl, I think he should, uh, not, I think he, they shouldn't put him to death right away.
I think they should make him suffer for a while.
Well, if waiting ten years constitutes suffering, that's about the period of time it'll take for the appeals process.
You're probably right.
You're probably right.
The other thing is, I have a big dish, and I was doing some surfing yesterday, and you know how they'll show shows early on network feeds?
Wild feeds, they're called.
Right, and there was a show that I watched yesterday, Afternoon, that was kind of interesting, and I wish I could remember the fellow's name that they were doing the show on, on English Fellows, that is studying, um, you know, like the, the underground, um, um, oh, caverns and stuff, or the, you know, the tunnels and stuff underneath the pyramid?
Yes.
And different things like that, of course, he goes to... Was not, uh, was not Graham Hancock, was it?
No, no, it was another... Okay.
Another name I hadn't heard of before.
But the fellow that's doing the show, do you know the name of the guy that is, because I don't know, I'm a blind person so I couldn't read the credit.
Do you know the fellow that is the guy that plays Al on Home Improvement?
Do you know who I'm talking about?
I don't watch it, but I know who you're talking about.
Okay, this guy sounded like him.
You know, so that's why I'm thinking it was him, it was he that was The moderator of the show.
I see.
And it sounds like it's something that's going to be coming up on ABC.
I'll look for it.
And it was very, very interesting.
I caught, I just caught the last, you know, like half hour of it.
Sure.
But it was very interesting.
All right.
I thought this was down your alley.
I'll keep my eye open.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good morning.
And good morning to you, sir.
Thank you for the tip.
There are so many things these days.
So much television.
Um, so many channels, so little time.
West of the Rockies, you're on there.
Good morning, R. Tim, Denver.
Hi, country.
Hi, Tim.
Uh, we've been getting snow most of the night.
Really?
Yeah, about four inches out there.
It's not sticking to the streets.
The grass looks, uh, pretty packed down.
Hmm.
So, anyway, I've got a quick question.
Maybe it'll improve Elway's game.
Uh, was that a slam?
Possibly.
You're evil.
You're terrible.
A quick question.
If a major event was to occur of very newsworthy proportions, would you rather it be shortly before you went on the air, when you were on the air, or after you got off the air and had most of the day to listen to it and form opinions about the event?
The answer is, it depends on the event.
It would depend.
There are some times when events occur when I'm on the air that it's very exciting.
The audience participates.
I immediately get into it because we do live talk radio overnight and we have reports here probably better than about anywhere else because we have all these people gathering information.
Other kinds of things are horrible because You don't have information about them.
You can't get information about them.
And the minute it occurs, everybody runs away to television trying to figure out what's going on.
And, of course, they're sitting there repeating, usually, senseless information over and over and over again because they don't know what's going on.
Right.
And so it depends on the event.
Many times I would prefer an event to occur and for me to be able to digest Inform my own opinion so we can come and talk about it intelligently on the air.
So, I don't know.
That's no kind of answer, but... Well, yeah, it is.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Quick story I'd like to relate to you.
I loaned a copy of your book to my brother, whose boss started listening.
And when you returned the book to my brother, he said, I asked how he liked it, and he said, I really enjoyed it.
There was a lot of information that I didn't know.
And I said, yeah, there is.
And he said, For example, I didn't know Art was a ham.
And I said, oh yeah, the more you listen to him, he's a real cut up.
He is a ham.
And he started laughing.
He says, no, I meant ham radio.
Absolutely.
Buried in ham radio all my life.
And Busman's Holiday, thank you very much for the call.
I'm radio here.
Radio really has been my life.
You know, you hear people say that kind of thing, but it really has been.
Since I was old enough to begin taking my mom's appliances apart, I took a lot of appliances apart.
I got in a lot of trouble about that.
Since that moment, and that was shortly after I could walk, I have been fascinated by electronics, by radio, and my whole life has been devoted to that.
And when I'm not doing it here, then I'm doing it elsewhere.
For example, when I get off here in a few minutes, you know, the show's about to come to an end, I have an antenna to fix.
I have an N-connector to put on some coax, and I hate N-connectors.
Hams will know what I'm talking about.
They're horrible.
Uh, so, um, one way or the other, I'm consistently involved in radio up to my neck.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, good morning, Art.
Good morning, sir.
I, uh, tried to call you yesterday.
Well, actually, I called my wife and woke her up and had her try to call you.
You know I was thinking yesterday when we were talking about this sort of thing.
You know a bad place to have an OBE?
Where's that?
While you're driving.
where she can see herself leaving and she can go places.
You know I was thinking yesterday when we were talking about this sort of thing,
you know a bad place to have an OBE?
Where's that?
While you're driving.
Well she did it at work.
She does hair and...
Well sometimes at work it might be alright.
Yeah I imagine if you're doing some old lady's hair...
You said she does hair?
Yeah.
Oh now see...
She's a cosmetologist.
I understand. Now there's one person you don't want to have an OBE, is your barber.
No.
No.
But she tried to call you.
I called her and woke her up.
She's not usually up this time of the morning, but... I bet she appreciated that.
Oh, yes, she did.
She did?
She really enjoyed the show.
Airplane.
She couldn't get through.
Airplane pilots?
No.
Don't want to be on that.
That would be bad, too.
All right, sir.
Well, I appreciate the call.
I hope she enjoyed the show.
Airplane pilots, bus drivers, train engineers, all...
No, no, no, no for OBEs.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, good morning.
It's a pleasure to talk to you.
I just had to respond on the fall class.
I think that guy should be hung up like a piñata.
I do understand.
And I think he should be beat senseless.
I think he's a piece of... I got the idea.
Listen, the show is over.
You get the honors.
Where are you?
I'm in Longview, Washington.
All right, do it.
Good night, America.
We love ya.
That's it.
Good night, America and Canada.
We love you both.
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