Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. recounts his father’s 1947 Roswell UFO debris—violet-purple symbols, lightweight metal beams, and foil unlike Soviet balloon fragments—while dismissing official explanations as inconsistent. Art Bell ties this to electromagnetic anomalies like red moon eclipses and hidden chambers beneath the Sphinx, due for December exploration, hinting at deeper mysteries. Callers debate Coral Castle’s secrets, chupacabra sightings, and Nixon-era UFO claims, while Bell critiques media omissions and government cover-ups, leaving listeners with unanswered questions about extraterrestrial encounters and ancient anomalies. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm Mark Bell.
And in a moment, Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. from Montana.
And he is a doctor, and he is in practice now.
And he's got to get up early in the morning, so we've got him for about an hour, and we are going to make the best use of the time we can.
So that coming up in a moment.
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Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Music Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. is in Montana, where it's already midnight.
What was the first indication that you had, you had, that something had occurred?
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Well, my dad woke me up early in the morning to show us some debris that he brought in from the field out of Roswell.
He had left earlier maybe the day before, I don't really recall now, but when he came in, he came back at the house, he woke my mother and myself up to look at some metal fragments and debris that he and another fellow found out there northwest of Roswell.
Did you, when your father then, how long, once he left, did he gather up all the material?
Did he leave some with you?
I seem to recall in the movie that some had been left with you.
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Well, that was just part of the movie.
No, he gathered it all up, and we put it back in the boxes back of the 42 Buick, and then he left for the airbase, and I went back to bed, and that was the end of that.
And my understanding now is that he helped, you know, consign or he flew the stuff to the Fort Worth Air Base and what was in what was to be Carswell Air Force Base.
And he left it there and came back the next day.
And I do remember him coming in and saying, talk to my mother and myself about this.
And as something that we are not to discuss again, it's just something that didn't happen, just treated as a non-event.
In the movie, and that's my only reference other than books, they talked about the foil, foil material, and it almost looked magical as though you would crumple it and it would just suddenly return to shape.
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Yeah, I heard other people describe that physical attribute.
I did not witness that myself.
I didn't try to fold it up or bend it or tear it or do anything like that.
So I just looked at it and just carefully put it back down.
One thing, too, that really strikes home with that is that I saw pictures of my dad in General Ramey's office at Fort Worth with some debris that they said came from the Roswell cranks tonight.
Okay, well, you know, I think about a year ago, it was a year ago, the Air Force finally came out and said, well, we did lie.
It wasn't a balloon.
It was a balloon.
But a different kind of balloon, A very special balloon to try and detect Soviet nuclear testing.
And can you imagine that being a possibility?
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Well, you know, a balloon is a balloon is a balloon.
You know, there's not that much difference between what the mogul device would have been or what the weather balloon would have been or, you know, whatever they want to say about it.
In the years that passed until your father died, did you have conversations with him about this?
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We had often owned talks about this.
I knew that he'd gone to Roswell a few times to be interviewed, and people begrudgingly, he didn't really seek any attention to this thing, but people came to him.
And I remember one of the last times I talked to him on the telephone about this.
He'd just come back from Roswell and was out at the cry site, or supposedly out at the cry site, and I asked him, well, jokingly, was there any of that debris out there?
And he said, oh, no, no, they vacuumed all that up.
So obviously there was no scrap of it left.
And I did try to confirm that we saw the same things, remember the same thing.
And I said, what was the color of the writing on that beam?
And he said, oh, it was a violet purple.
That's exactly what I recall, too.
So we recall the same type of physical characteristics.
You know, when I first saw it, I thought, you know, as a little kid, you know, I thought, well, hey, this looked like hieroglyphics.
But when you look at it, no, it wasn't hieroglyphics either.
It was like geometric symbols of some kind.
And I know the Air Force is trying to say, well, this was a flower pattern on some Scotch tape on some baltic wood that was used to fix tinfoil to the Baltic wood.
Well, no, it wasn't.
Scotch tape with flowers on it.
I would know that.
And I knew what Baltzwood was because I built stick models all the time.
There have been many reports, and of course, the movie did it up about the extraterrestrial bodies that were captured, even some talking about one alive, that sort of thing.
No mention of that from your father.
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Not at all.
Because I think, you know, if they were there, that was another loop of information.
And I guess, you know, with compartmentalization, if you didn't have the need to know about other things, you were not in the loop to know about this other thing.
So the event, I guess, was segmented, and those who had privy to one part did not have privy to another part of the knowledge or the event.
In other words, would he have known what he was saying?
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Well, you know, he was a base intelligence officer, so I assume he would know what he was talking about.
You know, he was in on aircraft accident investigations and certainly flew enough during the war to know what radar targets and things like that would have been.
And as a matter of fact, he went to radar school to learn about different types of radar targets and kites and so forth.
So he knew, you know, he had training to delineate the difference between what we saw and what the Air Force says we saw.
And did you notice after your dad came back that there was any difference in your mom's take on everything?
Did she suddenly quiet down about it?
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Well, you know, we just didn't discuss it to my memory.
You know, this is going back a long time ago now, and I don't really recall that it really had any big impact on our lives at that point because we just forgot about it.
You know, I said, well, if this is what happened, just forget it.
When did the interest or the rush of interest come back and people began trying to interview your father in the press, you know, trying to get as much as they could from your father?
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Well, you know, not for years, no.
As a matter of fact, the first interview I know that my dad officially gave to was Stan Friedman.
Oh, you know, I guess they had talked with Paul Davids, some of the other people with this, and they, you know, kind of shot the breeze about this, yeah.
Now I'm imagining there were quite a few GIs out there cleaning all this up.
And they had to have manpower.
Somebody had to do it.
So were there pieces that you saw that would have been small enough that were on your kitchen floor that somebody could have slipped them into a pocket?
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Oh, certainly.
As a matter of fact, you know, there was a smudge of it that we dumped on the kitchen floor that we later jokingly thought that, well, we probably, my mother probably swept some of it out the back door.
Okay, well, if he had that level of enthusiasm, and then they gave him, no doubt, some very stern talk about, look, this never happened, and then he had been forced to hold up a balloon and tell a false story, that would go down pretty hard for a fairly proud man.
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Well, you know, I remember him saying later that he didn't really mind because he was actually part of the cover.
He went along with this, you know, because this was what he was told to do.
course but still to stand there with a balloon and tell something that wasn't true would have gone down pretty Well, I guess inwardly, I'm not sure what effect it had on him.
Doctor, has all this in some way affected you now in life?
I'm sure that everybody who knows the name Marcel asks you questions about this.
Have you developed an interest in the subject, or have you gone the opposite way?
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Well, you know, what I do is since this happened, I surmise that we're not alone in the universe.
So I'm a very avid astronomer and I read everything I can about cosmology.
And that's why I find that Martian meteorites so intriguing, because this is the first crack in the door where they're being able to prove perhaps that we are not alone, that there is certainly life forms elsewhere.
I guess what I would like to do is here's the facts I've got.
When you interviewed John Kirby, I did.
He laid a wonderful tape Dr. Marcel had made of a telephone conversation you had with his father, who had just taken a film crew to the site of the crash, which Dr. Marcel just mentioned.
Have you gone back?
You went back to that site, did you not, and walk that same area?
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Well, you know, I have to say I've never been to that exact site.
I've been in the proximity, been out to the ranch, but I've never been to the exact site.
My uncle was a doctor, and I wanted to go in one of the fields of sciences.
Actually, I was more interested in physical sciences like physics and chemistry, but because of, oh, I have to admit pressures from the family, I went into medicine.
I was interested in aviation or going into physics.
Okay, again, I think a very important point is the one thing that seemed truly to be extraterrestrial, as depicted in that movie, was that foil that crumpled up and suddenly returned to a traditional shape.
But you never saw one bit of that in terms of...
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Oh, yeah, I handled it and looked at it.
But I didn't really think so much of the foil As I did the beam that had that writing on it.
That was the thing that really started off.
I didn't pay much attention to the foil or that bake-like debris.
It was the beam with the writing that really caught my eye.
I would think the only people then that would have the ability to put something up that would make it about the globe would be at that time possibly the Russians.
And that was my best shot there at whether it might be their writing.
If it wasn't their writing, then I cannot conceive of why we would do it.
what explanation again did they give for that what they are not sure what That writing that you have talked about?
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Oh, they said it was tape.
As a matter of fact, I got a call from one of the Air Force declassification teams who I discussed with what I saw.
He wanted to know what I saw, and I told him, and he said, well, this is what we think you saw.
And I said, no, that's not what I saw.
And he said, well, we think you saw a piece of scotch tape with some flowers on it from some toy manufacturer back east that they're using to put these kites back together with.
And I said, no, that was not flowers, and it wasn't tape.
And so we didn't have not much of an agreement there.
Have you ever considered, and I'm sure you've been asked, to undergo some sort of regressive hypnosis to try and dredge, you know, it is, I think, possible to bring details from the human mind.
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Well, you know, that was tried at one time, but I think I'm a very poor subject.
I'm not a real strong believer in it.
Maybe it's true.
Maybe it's valid.
And I guess I have a bias against it, so I don't think I was a very good subject for that.
What happens, by the way, when people come to you, they have UFO conferences probably now once a month someplace, big ones, and I'm sure you get invited.
Yes.
Have you gone to any of them?
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Yeah, I go to an occasional one and just kind of just regurgitate what I've already done today, you know, just this evening.
I just kind of go over details, and I like to fold into my little talk or presentation the fact is that there's life elsewhere.
I like to talk about the planetary systems that they're now describing and finding and how the stuff of life is all over out there.
And to consider that there was life millions of years ago at the microbial level says to me, had there been a different atmosphere, life, of course, could have come and gone and left monuments that we now see.
And for all we know, we could be ancestors of that life.
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You know, actually, I think Mars, the conditions right for life, died too soon for any advanced civilization to have developed.
If those monuments on Mars are really what we think they might be, they have to be put there by extraterrestrial people.
Again, going back to that material, the anomalous material that seemed to snap back into shape, if you didn't do that and you didn't note that, the movie, I'm trying to recall, had some young lady, I think, who did that.
And the details are kind of foggy right now, but did you hear anything at all about that?
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Yeah, not at the time.
Only years later, when they started, when people started coming out talking about this, did that attribute become known to me.
Oh, I do remember my dad saying that he had one of his men take a sledgehammer and try to indent a larger piece of the metal and couldn't even scratch it.
There are magnetic storms washing over the earth as we speak.
I'm a shortwave person, as you know, and I monitor generally a lot of frequencies, and the broadcast band is down, propagation is down, WWV on 5 megahertz is barely audible.
We must be awash with radiation.
That's all I can say.
It's one of those nights, one of those full moon nights.
And it is kind of strange out there, so I would say buckle in and get ready for just about anything.
In the Middle East, we are trying to arrange, everybody's trying to arrange, peace, because they have what could turn into a civil war going on there.
55 dead, if you count those dead on both sides, Palestinian and Israeli.
And I don't know, I don't think this is going to work out.
It was all about a tunnel near a holy place.
The tunnel is still there.
They're not going to remove it.
There are tanks and helicopters now.
The fighting continues.
Egypt's president is trying to arrange a three-way meeting in Cairo, maybe on Friday.
We're putting pressure on the Israelis and doing everything but criticizing them publicly.
If you read between the lines, we have done so.
And I'm not sure what to say about it, except that I never did think that it was going to work.
I believe, as I believe Benjamin Netanyahu believes, that ultimately, and at least in our lifetimes, let me qualify that, in our lifetimes and perhaps that of our children, the Israelis are only going to be sustained by strength and that peace accords with the Palestinians and ultimately with Syria are not going to work.
You can't make peace with people who want you dead, who want you to not exist, and it's not going to work.
And it's not working.
The Senate sustained the abortion veto, and so there shall be partial birth abortions.
They will continue.
The President signed the maternity bill keeping gals in the hospital for 48 hours minimum.
Shannon Lucid is back reclining in a big chair so she can get reacquainted with gravity.
Newt Gingrich is in trouble.
Democrats and Republicans on the committee that is investigating him have voted unanimously, unanimously, to expand the investigation.
However, it turns out, it will not be known until after the election.
So it is bad news for Gingrich, but good news, I suppose, for Bob Dole, who doesn't need a disabled Newt Gingrich right now.
We'll have to see where that goes.
Democrats, of course, calling for him to resign immediately from office.
A judge in San Jose, California, has sentenced Richard Davis to death and tell her in a statement just before he was to receive sentence, loud in court, that Polly Klass had begged him not to do her as her father had done her.
And at that point, her father lunged at this bastard, and if he could, probably would have killed him.
And I know it's a horrible thing to say, but it's too bad they don't have guns in courtrooms, because I kind of wish he had killed him.
And I'll tell you something, if it had been me, I'd have tried to figure out there's a way to get guns in.
You know, it can be done.
There are guns that are largely a composite material.
And if I had been that father, I would have done my damnedest to get something in there to kill that bastard with.
And if he'd have said something like that, that would have been, of course, way over the line.
And I recall the movie 7.
I wonder if you remember the movie 7.
If you haven't seen it, you should if you can handle heavy material.
And at the very end of that movie, there was a police officer whose wife had been killed.
And he was just receiving that information as he drew a bead on the killer.
And it was a very dramatic moment in the movie.
And you could see in that man's head the wheels turning, knowing he was a cop, knowing he couldn't put a bullet in this guy because he was a cop, but knowing that the guy at the end of the barrel had just murdered Harborly, his wife.
And you could see him torn for a period of time.
And had it ended any other way, I could not have handled it.
He blew that guy away.
And I would have too.
And it's funny, when I saw that courtroom scene yesterday with Mr. Class, I thought of the movie Seven.
And I thought, if I can tell you, I would have killed.
Given any opportunity, I would have killed.
Have you ever wondered about that?
What would bring you to the point where you would kill?
Well, that's an easy call for me.
And I would have done it without remorse.
Without remorse.
Goodbye.
Do whatever you're going to do in the next life.
Be judged there, because you're out of here now.
No 10 years on appeals here.
I'd have strangled him.
I'd have put something around his throat.
I'd have broken his neck, or if I could have gotten a gun in, I'd have shot him.
So I don't blame him, and I wonder how you reacted to it.
Believe it or not, President Clinton is on the way toward a Nobel Peace Prize for what he has done in Bosnia.
I wonder if they ought to wait until the troops leave, if they do as he promised, before they issue this.
Because I've got a feeling that Bosnia is going to return to exactly what it was when we leave.
If we leave.
Maybe to keep the Nobel, the troops are going to have to stay there.
I don't know.
Here is the story, the Associated Press story, thank you to one of my affiliates, on that six-year-old child.
Talked about that a few days ago.
These days, a kiss isn't just a kiss, not even in the first grade.
A six-year-old boy who kissed a girl on the cheek was, as you must have heard by now, suspended last week on the grounds of sexual harassment.
Jackie Pravette said the school overreacted to an innocent peck on the cheek by banishing her son, Jonathan, to a room apart from his classmates.
Jonathan said the girl asked him to kiss her, that he was expressing friendship, according to the mother.
Now, of course, insanity.
Sexual harassment.
A six-year-old kissing a six-year-old?
A peck on the cheek?
It's almost too insane to imagine, and yet in today's world, it occurs.
I asked you the other night, and will again this morning, to come up with a presidential promise.
There is absolutely no reason for you to keep it.
We know that nominees promise you anything and never deliver.
So if you were going to run for president, what would you promise the American people to get their vote, to ensure getting yourself into the White House, what would you promise?
No limits, no reason to keep the promise.
I'm just asking you, if you were going to concoct a big one, you know, a really big one, to entice the American people to vote for you, what would it be?
Kevin and Rebecca, listening to Kern in Bakersfield, sent me some emails, said, Art, here is a presidential promise for re-election from President Clinton.
I promise a blonde in every bedroom.
And I've got a couple little things here I wanted to read you.
A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said, If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess.
Bending over, he picked the frog up, put it in his pocket, began to walk off.
The somewhat agitated frog, at this point, spoke up again and said, If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I'll stay with you for one week.
The boy took the frog out of his pocket and looked at it, thought for a moment, smiled, put it back.
Well, now the frog was getting really quite huffy, cried out, okay, look, if you kiss me and turn me into a beautiful princess, I'll stay with you and do anything you want me to do.
He stopped again, took the frog out, smiled at it, put it back in his pocket, and proceeded apace.
Finally, the frog began yelling, What the hell's the matter with you?
I've told you I'm a beautiful princess.
I've said I'd stay with you for a whole week and offered to do anything you want.
I don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog is really cool.
That would certainly be the answer of an engineer.
Sorry, I don't have time for a girlfriend, but, you know, a talking frog, well, that's really cool.
Then there's one more little one, and then we'll just open the lines and see what the night brings.
But I thought this was cute.
Two hunters got a pilot to fly them into the far north for elk hunting.
They were quite successful in their venture and bagged six big bucks.
So the pilot came back, as arranged, to pick them up.
They began loading their gear into the plane, including the six elk.
But the pilot objected and said, look, the plane can only take out four of your elk.
You'll have to leave two behind.
So, they argued with him.
The year before, they had also shot six, and the pilot had allowed them to put all on board.
Plane was just the same model in capacity as this one.
Reluctantly, the pilot finally permitted them to put all six aboard, but when they attempted to take off and leave the valley where they were, the little plane couldn't make it and crashed into the wilderness.
Climbing out of the wreckage, one hunter said to the other, Do you have any idea where we are?
Replied the other, I think so.
I think this is about where the same place, the last plane, crashed last year.
By the way, one other little item, the Israelis, besides having terrible problems with the Palestinians right now, and the other way around, I suppose, are seeing UFOs.
Massive reports of UFOs.
Egg-shaped spacecrafts, they say.
And this is being reported in, well, as a matter of fact, this is an Associated Press article I've got.
Some blame it on an invasion of American culture, but I think not.
I think something is going on in the area of Israel, and I just thought I would pass it on to you, but the number of reports coming from Israel have quadrupled.
I mean, there are just all kinds of reports coming from the Middle East now of UFOs.
What do you make out of that?
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Now we take you back to the night of September 26, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
From a Science in Brief article, there is a Japanese satellite that was just put up and took a photograph, which has been rendered then in various colors, so we might know what we're seeing, of the Earth's ozone hole.
And the image above, and I've got it here, shown by the newest Japanese satellite to be launched, shows a rapidly developing late winter Antarctic ozone hole.
And it is a big hole.
I mean, we're not talking about what you've typically seen, and you remember you've seen pictures of the Earth with this sort of strangely inkblot-shaped little hole that sort of rotates around the Antarctic area.
This thing would appear to be covering, I'm going to guess, at about between a third, about a third of the globe.
About a third of the globe.
A gigantic ozone hole.
And the person that sent me this said sheds shades of Ed Dames.
And so how did they determine he moved the stones?
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They cannot be moved at this day.
They're so heavy, no mechanical device can lift them at this day.
Yet they are in really nice, coordinated, like clockwork positions where people that are only like 20 or 40 pounds, little kids can push them and they'll turn.
You have to see it for yourself.
It's called Something Garden in Florida.
I'm sure a lot of callers are going to call in and tell you all about it.
It was a unanimous vote, and the Republicans on that ethics committee well understand the political implications of joining in such a vote at such a moment just before the election.
So my inclination is to think, and I certainly don't want to, but to think they obviously feel there is something substantial to this, or they would have gone out of their way not to join in.
Does that make sense to you?
So I don't know.
Tax problems?
More from Mr. Gingrich?
We will see.
You're listening to live, unscreened, open talk radio on a full moon night with magnetic storms and more.
It should be stay right where you are.
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You're listening to Arkville somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
Coast AM from September
26, 1996.
Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
Alright, I can't go into a lot of detail on this right now for reasons that may become apparent to you tomorrow night.
But there's some pretty heavy-duty stuff going on in Egypt with regard to the Sphinx and the opening of the chambers below the Sphinx.
And there's a big struggle going on, and I got some calls earlier today, and there's a lot of things right now that, for the sake of the individuals involved, I'm not going to discuss on the air tonight.
But I am going to tell you this.
Nearly anything can happen tomorrow night.
As you know, in the first hour of the program, I've got Zachariah Sitchins scheduled.
And in the second hour, beginning in the second hour, Graham Hancock and Robert Bilal are going to be here.
And I wish I could tell you more right now, but it might disturb things, so I'm not going to.
But I can tell you there is a great power struggle going on, the likes of which you can barely imagine.
Some reading on Richard Hoagland's webpage, available through mine, might go some way toward explaining that to you.
I'm calling about tomorrow night the pyramids, Jim Hancock and Robert Duvall because I just moved here from Spain three months ago, and I wrote him a letter when I read his book in June, and I have two books, but he hasn't answered, maybe he didn't get it.
I have two books about pyramids found in South America.
I have a book written in 1935 that's a diary of a man who went in with a group and they found somewhere between Brazil and Venezuela pyramids with perhaps survivors they thought might have been the slaves of the people who built the pyramids surrounded by such high mountains.
Nobody could ever figure out where they were after.
And they found gold objects and they found all sorts of things about the pyramids related to the kind of thing he wrote in his book.
All right, well, he'll be here tomorrow night, so call him.
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Yeah, but I've been calling you for one hour and one half every few seconds to get through.
And that's why I called you.
That's why I want you, at least, or somebody, to have a way that Hancock can contact me because I have another book about the stones in Ica Peru that have engravings on them from the time of the dinosaurs?
No, but they're always discovering asteroids that are going to be near misses.
and what i was wondering is whether we're going to hear about the one that will get us yellow Will Dan rather sit there and say, well, scientists today discovered an asteroid six to eight miles wide that is going to impact the Earth on Saturday?
I think more likely you would see the breaking news logo after you felt the ground shake and you would hear CNN begin to report about what had just hit Earth.
Tonight we were watching the eclipse and we were into the talking about different things and then we got into the discussion of the pyramids and I understand that you were talking about the pyramids.
Okay, what I'm trying to say is all these different theories with the shafts and all these things, what happened, something came to me as a revelation of the way things are lined up in the desert.
Well, you've asked a central question that everybody is trying to answer.
In other words, what are the pyramids?
Why are they there?
What lies beneath the Sphinx?
And other chambers that have yet to be explored.
There are many people, knowledgeable people, who think that there is a virtual library of information within the Sphinx.
That is entirely possible.
There has been a license issued to open the hidden chamber of the Sphinx in December of this year.
And I know a lot more about this right now than I can tell you about.
A lot of it will become, I think, apparent tomorrow night.
So in the interest of not beginning a war here, I'm going to keep my mouth shut and say that you should listen tomorrow night, and I don't guarantee what you're going to hear.
If that sounds overly dramatic to you, I'm sorry, but I'm trying to give you some sense that there's something dramatic, very dramatic going on without getting into it for the sake of the fact that by tomorrow night it may be resolved, and I only hope that it is, or it's going to be one rough ride tomorrow night.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Yes, this is Nathan Collins from San Antonio with the Mighty WAI.
there were some tones, an auto-dialer, that broke into the middle of a conversation after two and a half hours and began to auto-dial a certain number.
We uh traced that number, or I should say uh determined what that number was, and it yields a very strange tone indeed.
Um so something was in the middle of our line after two and a half hours of the line being open between Whitley Strieber and myself.
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Oh, I see.
Okay, that's it.
Interesting.
Okay.
Well, in fact, there was a Whitley Strieber symposium up in Austin that I was going to go to.
I heard about that.
Had you heard about that?
No.
Okay, I'd missed that.
I wanted to go see that.
Supposedly, he was going to speak there.
I'd been understanding that he was from San Antonio, and I wanted to hear him.
Yeah, and either way, I put myself in that position, and it's an interesting question.
That is to say, hold on the line for a second, sir.
What it would take for you to kill?
Have you ever thought about that?
I thought about that today.
When I watched Polly Klass's father take what I could not have, I could not have taken that.
Of course, they got him out of there very quickly because they knew that if he'd had an opportunity, he'd kill the guy, and I would have too.
I can tell you right now, because I really have sat down and I thought about it, if somebody killed a member of my family, I would not, if I had the opportunity to settle matters myself before the police settled them, I would do that.
And I'd let a jury of my peers decide my fate.
And if it meant jail or worse, then so be it.
If somebody broke into my house with intent on doing me harm, I would have no compunction at all about blowing them away.
None.
And I can assure you, if I were in a situation as Mr. Klass had been in, if I could have put my hands around the guy's neck and choked the life out of him, I would have done it.
Go ahead, sir.
unidentified
Okay, you're talking about you had your earlier interview with the man about the pieces from the crash?
We're talking about the recollections, I believe, accurate and honest, of a young man who saw his father come home with what Dr. Marcel firmly today believes were pieces of an extraterrestrial craft.
Described calmly and as best he was able to recall.
By the way, for those of you who did not hear it and have seen the movie, I asked him about the material, you know, that supposedly crumpled and then opened right back up again.
And Dr. Marcel recalls no such material and did not personally attempt to do that and did not see anybody else who did it.
So short of the movie, which I'm disinclined to buy, I mean, I think it was some dramatic license, after all.
They suggested that Dr. Marcel had a piece that he kept, which he did not.
So it is possible that that supposed material that crumpled really never was.
And that may be urban legend myth, ufology myth or something.
At any rate, there you are.
It was a very interesting, honest, open interview.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
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Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
I'll be out of me.
Just a minute and a week.
You've got to keep the eyes up on you.
Your duty's up in your nightclub.
Get it on.
Back to the car.
Get it on.
Back to the car.
Get it on.
When you feel that they call, you've got a hug.
Can't dance a hero.
If you let it call, yeah.
When you feel that you're going, you're going to be out.
When it's alright, it's going to be right without it all.
We gotta get right back to where we started from Do you remember that day?
That was the sunny day When you first came my way, I said no one could take your faith.
And if you get hurt, if you get hurt.
I don't think I'm baby.
I can set my back on your bed.
You're listening to Mark Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
In the first hour of the program, we had Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. on interviewed him about his dad and what happened 50 years ago in Roswell and what he remembered.
Sorry if you missed it.
We're into open lines now, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
You know what's going on in Israel right now with the Palestinians, about 55 dead.
And this is either going to resolve itself peacefully at some point with all the overtures, or it's not.
And the answer may be not.
It may be the beginning of a civil war in Israel, what amounts to a civil war.
And I never really did think that this was going to work out with the Palestinians.
Obviously, it is not working out at the moment.
And I don't think in the long term it is.
And I don't think in our lifetimes the Israelis are going to make any sort of peace with the Palestinians or the Syrians.
But it's a horrible situation, and it continues.
Now, we were told about some place in Florida, a very interesting place, last hour, and I, frankly, have not been familiar with it.
Art, the place in Florida is called the Coral Castle.
That's from Linda in Fresno.
Then I got this, too.
Art, I saw a report on a gentleman in Florida several years ago.
He said he discovered the secrets of the Great Pyramids and how they were built.
He then proceeded to build a house for his deceased wife, who died years before, stating the secrets also revealed time travel.
A door of that house or to that house weighs four tons.
It is perfectly balanced and can be moved with a finger.
Also a two-ton perfectly balanced rocking chair.
This man one day disappeared without a trace.
Isn't that fascinating?
Well now, this one has escaped me somehow.
Or this, dear art, the place in Florida is called the Coral Castle.
Here it is again.
I've been there.
I'm trying to get through to you now.
If you want, you can call me.
Blah, blah, blah.
This is Stu in Fort Lauderdale in Florida.
Well, maybe I'll call him.
I've got his number here.
Hey, I ought to call Stu and find out what he knows about this place and about this story.
It's kind of interesting.
Could he have discovered, do you suppose, the secrets the ancient Egyptians had?
And how in the world could he have done what he has done?
Maybe I'll pick up the phone and call him.
unidentified
*Purse*
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
Music All right, because I'm willing to do nearly anything anytime.
And I was just wondering if it was possible that there is another scenario in the sleep paralysis itself and that there's different kinds of sleep paralysis for different reasons, such as possibly UFOs and stuff like that.
Well, maybe having something to do with it in some respects and maybe and not in others.
In other words, you're not buying into his explanation of the power of the mind, which seems rather plausible, and to me you're jumping to a rather implausible explanation, particularly for such a widespread phenomenon and attributing it to UFOs?
If I'm in a car and somebody is tailgating me, is that what you're asking?
unidentified
Right, and you pull into a restaurant and you're in the parking lot of the restaurant and they pull in behind you and want you to get out of your car, what would you do?
He's an interesting character, and what I have heard of Levitt is not necessarily all bad.
He is a very traditional Russian and said to be fairly honest and not typical of a lot of Russians.
unidentified
I know you're coming up on a break here.
I just want one quick, one more thing to add, that the other night I was watching the Tonight Show, or I think it was either Tonight Show or Cornin O'Brien, and they had Dan Aykroyd on, and he was talking about the Chupacabra.
And I was lucky enough to be standing there when I was just struck, just dumbfounded, because I literally was looking in the right direction at the right time, and it just started to spark slowly and then burn solidly just at the horizon line, just above the horizon.
And it followed almost a straight line across the horizon.
Would everybody else on the west of the Rockies line hold up for a moment during this break?
I want to hear from Canada.
Did anybody in Canada, maybe up in Alberta, that would have been about, seems like ground zero for an overhead pass.
Anybody up there happen to catch the re-entry?
When you do, and when it is close, it is absolutely awesome.
And of course, it depends on the final orbit, that is to say, who's going to see it.
Sometimes it comes across, literally right across Central California.
Really, really cool.
So if you're in Canada and you saw it, call me at 1-800-825, whoops, correction, 1-800-618-8255.
Canada, 1-800-618-8255, or Alaska.
Now, the Alaskans may also have been treated to quite a show.
I'm glad that some of you realized the person who sent me the packs was off by about an hour, but I'm sure you went to CNN, and so many of you must have seen it.
All right, we'll pause here at the bottom of the hour.
This is open line, unscreened, live talk radio.
Even I have no idea what is coming next, and I like it like that.
So if you want To be the next one coming, get on the phone now.
unidentified
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 26, 1996.
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Her hair is a hollow gold sweet cry.
Her hair's never cold.
She's got better days inside.
She's turned a new thing on.
You won't have to think twice.
She's pure and new young.
She's got better days inside.
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I talked to people in Fairbanks and Anchorage during the break and they had nothing but clouds so they didn't see it but it looks like as you move east a little bit Hi there.
I'm sitting on a lot of things that I could be doing, and I am not doing.
Thank you.
I'll tell you, I have heard in the last two days, I've heard from CBS that wants to do a story.
I got a call from CBS, as a matter of fact, today.
Strange Universe, HardCopy, two other major networks that I can't mention.
I have heard from more networks lately.
I've heard from everybody but Peter Jennings.
I haven't heard from ABC.
Let me put it this way.
I've heard from every major network save ABC.
All of them want to do something or another, and I am just, I have just not been, you know me, in television.
I don't like TV.
And these TV folks can't understand that.
They just don't understand it.
And I know how they feel.
I mean, it is their medium and their baby.
But I have always felt, I really have always felt, and I really still do.
And, you know, they really try to tempt you.
I mean, we're talking money here.
They try to tempt you into doing television.
And I don't think it's a good idea.
And of course, I've been invited to a million of the UFO conferences, and I could be jetting all across the country all the time, and I haven't done that either.
So I try to stay focused on what I'm doing here.
And I have this feeling that if I go and try to do, you know, it's the Peter principle, that people will eventually rise to a level of incompetency or to a job for which they are not competent.
And I like doing what I do here.
And so I'm hesitant to go out and do other things.
Maybe I'll someday get over that, I don't know, or maybe not.
I firmly believe, and that's why you see me into these topics, and that's why you see me treat them seriously.
Because I firmly believe that we are more than just our shell, our bodies.
Our minds are capable of things that we have not yet begun to dream about.
There are things out there, I'm going to begin to sound like Neil Armstrong, but there really are things out there that we have not begun to explore yet.
And I think more and more people these days are waking up to that fact.
And so you hear me do a lot of that sort of thing.
My wife is in her second day of a pretty serious asthma attack.
And so that's taken a lot out of me in the last day or so.
She has asthma.
The poor gal has had it since she was a child.
And it's a pretty serious attack.
Not as serious yet as the last one, but very serious.
Disabling.
I mean, to the point where you can only sit and concentrate on trying to breathe.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Morning, Art.
How you doing?
Okay.
A couple of quick things.
I was talking about the guy in Homestead about the coral.
Yes.
Yeah, he was featured on Unsolved Mysteries.
I'm not sure it was one of the old reruns.
Right.
And what they were talking about, he would be working, and people would come up and see him lifting things with his fingertips, and he'd stop whatever he was doing and talk to him and answer all the questions and stand there and wait for him to leave.
And when they left, he'd go right back to doing his work.
Well, why would a man with an incredible secret like that take it to his grave?
unidentified
I don't know.
It was one of the strange things about him, too.
They said he would never ask anything direct, any answer to any direct questions about how he did things, but just would tell that he had the secret to how to build the pyramids.
And maybe he just didn't want the secret to get out, and it was too something that was too powerful for anybody else to understand.
And about Dan Aykroyd, I want to say he was about him.
He's real serious about the UFOs and different things like that when he made that interview with him when he was making my, I guess, my stepmother's an alien.
And he was talking about he'd like to get an interest in, he's interested in UFOs and different things like that.
There is an awakening going on across America to things that people used to laugh at or scoff at, and they're not laughing anymore, and they're not scoffing, and they're beginning to pay attention.
And I'm frankly glad to see it.
I began looking at this sort of thing many years ago in talk radio, and I would do a number of shows.
I would simply deviate every now and then because I got sick of talking about nothing but the news or politics more specifically.
And so I've done interviews in all of these areas, and we've had discussions for years about these kinds of things, and now all of a sudden I see the rest of the country beginning to come around.
And it's a kind of an awakening, and it's a positive thing.
I believe it is a Very positive thing.
There are still many who sit on the sidelines and chuckle away.
Well, let them do so.
There is more to life than that, which is apparent from a material point of view.
Remember the old series In Search of Leonard Nimoy?
Sure.
They had a special on this, a 30-minute program on this.
Right.
And I copied the program.
And this gentleman originally built this place, and he got mugged in this place, and he moved it 30 miles.
And the interviews they did with people that, truck driver, he rented a truck and had the driver go around the corner and come back in a few minutes and got a load of these big rocks and they moved them 30 miles.
And he wrote a book called Magnetic Current.
Never was published.
Never sold.
But there is a television show on that Carl Castle.
Well, he must have known something, again, to take it to the grave.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, the people that he got the land from originally when he showed up, he told the owner, which was his only friend, that he discovered the, which they interviewed, the secrets how they did the pyramids.
They got the home film of him in his coral castle.
And what happened to him, he put suit on, went to town one day, taken himself into the hospital, and died in the hospital.
He had tuberculosis.
Really?
Yeah.
But if I ever get a copy of that, I'll send it to you.
In the meantime, there is somebody who's going to send photographs that he took, and we'll get those up on the web.
That is amazing, isn't it?
Can you imagine taking a secret like that to your grave?
On the other hand, somebody said that the technology, or maybe that's the wrong word, the power that he had discovered was too significant to give to the world now.
Maybe he had a point.
I mean, we are not exactly the quintessential gentle civilization that one might hope we would be someday, eh?
So we would probably use it to drop four-ton blocks on our enemy.
unidentified
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But either way, sir, it's a big story because either they have created this or did create it sometime in the past in their work in trying to get a lifting body or a saucer or whatever you want to call it, our own government, or it's from elsewhere.
Either way, it's a pretty big story, wouldn't you say?
unidentified
Yes, sir, and I like your open-mindedness and your carefree attitude that you have to your show and everything.
Narcolepsy, sir, is a, I believe, an illness where people are prone to falling asleep right in the middle of their daily activities, being at work, that kind of thing.
unidentified
Right, but I was told, because I had the sleep paralysis for quite a long time, and I was told that it's like another form of narcolepsy.
Yeah, and the guests that you had on seems to every time that I had the episodes, there's always been a demon or something dark that was poking at me or trying to get at me.
So I was very skeptical about some of the the uh explanation that he gave.
We had one hour early on with Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
Somebody writes, Art, I was just listening to your interview with Dr. Marcel.
I was hoping you'd ask him if he was familiar with Art's parts and if they resembled what he had handled when he was living in Roswell.
Well, in a sense, I did.
He mentioned some materials that sounded very, very much like the alleged skin of the spacecraft that we have, blackened on one side.
A charcoal, kind of, not plastic, of course, but a layered material.
And that's why I asked him whether any of the material appeared to be layered, and he had not examined it that closely.
So it is a very fine layering indeed, as you know, of bismuth and magnesium.
And so I went that far.
Arnhouse Comet.
There's a little picture of my cat.
Comet is doing by the day, leaps and bounds better.
Whatever became of that rumor that Chuck Harter had been abducted by a black helicopter, is there any truth to it?
Of the show, board op at WGL, Jeff, in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
Just can only tell you, Jeff, that I, too, have heard that rumor.
Doesn't mean it's true.
Doesn't mean it's not.
Good morning, Art.
Jesse Marcel Jr. was an interesting person.
With regard to the factualness of his report, it was obvious, as you pointed out, that he was not embellishing the account at all.
There are two things that bear further investigation, if I were him.
His father's effects that are in storage, yes, of course.
I'd have gone through those with a fine-tooth comb.
Secondly, I'd make every attempt to try and decipher those symbols on the beam.
Of course, the only way that could be done, if at all, would be through regressive hypnosis, and he does not seem amenable to that.
So here we are with a mystery.
Exactly correct.
We are left with, as is always the case, it seems, a mystery.
So it's open lines.
I can tell you this.
We have unusual conditions going on.
Shortwave is extremely depressed at the moment by magnetic storms that are going on.
We had a full moon eclipse earlier in the evening.
A red moon.
I went out and saw it.
It was incredible.
And there is a lot of radiation washing over Mother Earth at the moment.
So it'll be an interesting night, and I suspect people will be affected by it, as they always are by a full moon, and perhaps more so with a magnetic storm underway.
unidentified
So who knows?
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Now we take you back to the night of September 26th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
There's a panorama, a map of Florida, moon fountain, nine-ton gate, Polaris telescope, heart-shaped table, giant obscillus, Mars, Saturn, and Crescent, bedroom and bath, and sundial.
And it was very strange because he lived, you know, the sundial, they said that that's the way he lived.
Yeah, he was a friend of President Nixon, and he asked Nixon to see the bodies, and I just heard vaguely a little bit about it, and I wonder, you know.
But anyway, apparently there hasn't been an adult down there, you know, well, I guess about 30 years before the Six-Day War or whatever it was, some British people, like, bribed the guard there and actually went down in there.
The Khalif of that town at the time found out about it and concreted over the opening.
He used to be able to go down there.
But there are stories like people have seen Abraham's wife's ghost down there and things like that.
You know, most of the world, the rest of the world, and Americans don't necessarily realize this until you do some traveling, but in most parts of the world, bribery is the norm.
And when you want to get something and get somewhere and get something done, you bribe.
I mean, that's all there is to it.
In most of the rest of the world, South America, Asia, especially in Asia, and certainly in Eastern Europe, that is absolutely true.
Russia, China, most of the rest of the world operates on bribe.
I know it's a horrible thing to have to contemplate, but it really is quite true.
He was talking about that show, and he's very serious about it.
He's been working with several scientific groups, and they have, don't quote me on this, but I believe what he said they were going to do or going to reenact some actual stories that they've investigated and found to be trustworthy.
And this group that he's been working with has disproved several false things that people have been reporting.
And they hunt down true stories, investigate them, and then on the show they are supposedly going to reenact them.
I could envision, for example, a reenactment of the Roswell mystery.
But why would that necessarily be any more accurate or reliable than anybody else's?
For example, the interview we did in the first hour tonight, I think, is as close to hearing what really happened as you're going to hear.
That was Jesse Marcel Jr., and he told us what he really saw and what he didn't see.
And unfortunately, when you do reenactments and you're doing something for dramatic value, you know, as in a television show, you're under pressure to make it interesting.
And I'm sorry, and no reflection on Dan Aykroyd, and I'm sure that it will come out just fine, but there's pressure to make it look better than it was.
And even the movie Roswell, which even Jesse Marcel said was fairly faithful, found it necessary to put twists in the story, the unfolding foil, which Jesse never saw, the piece which Jesse supposedly took or kept, which in real life he did not.
And it's a little difficult to separate myth from reality, and when you're doing things in reenactments, it's, I think, too tempting for people in the TV industry to include things that ought not be.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, yeah.
About the chupacabra?
Yes.
Did you hear anything about a study that was done by some scientists in Central America where they looked at some of the victims of the so-called chupacabra and they found that the bite marks and the nature of the attacks matched the attacks typical of wild dogs and things like that.
How does that account, though, for the hundreds or even thousands of animals that have been found with the bite marks on their neck and all the blood drained?
Dogs don't drain blood.
unidentified
Well, I mean, blood's a really good source of protein.
With just two bite marks on the neck, there is no dog I know of that can drain all the blood from an animal.
unidentified
Well, I mean, I think you get a lot of hysteria, like, you know, when, you know, someone talks about a goat sucker and then suddenly every attack is associated with the chupacabra.
Not everything people see in the sky is an alien spaceship.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, Jackie Gleason, you know, seeing extraterrestrials left up with that.
I mean, I just, you know, I just think it's funny how people are so quick to sort of jump to all these conclusions, you know, like this new species of a goat sucker.
I mean, like a new animal is going to suddenly appear or something.
Is it unreasonable to believe that new species appear?
unidentified
No.
I mean, I think, yeah, that happens for sure, but not by such a big leap as you know something that sucks blood, you know, feeds in a completely different manner than well you said it yourself, blood is protein.
I mean, it's like asking why are there new diseases?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, that's, well, you have a good point.
But I just I think, you know, for a new sort of a new animal that's so different from anything that's previously been described that flies and jumps around like a little, you know, some sort of vampire dinosaur.
I mean, the descriptions are so weird from a few things I've read.
It just, I don't know.
And, you know, how is it suddenly, you know, how does it radiate so fast?
It's seen in Mexico and then suddenly it's in, you know, New England or something.
Well, it is very interesting, and that's a very difficult question, but I'll try and answer it in a nutshell.
Arts parts were sent anonymously from Charleston, South Carolina by a man who claims his father was on the retrieval team at Roswell, New Mexico, and he claims these parts are from a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle of some kind.
We received them better than a half year ago, and we have been testing them all over the country, in labs all over the country.
We have a lot of anomalous results.
As a matter of fact, right now, we have got a video that you can get just by going up to my website.
It will run on any 486 computer with a MathCode processor.
You can download it.
You can see the tests that were run at Redstone Arsenal down in Alabama.
And they are completely anomalous, absolutely fascinating.
We've had them at Carnegie in Washington.
We've talked to rare metals manufacturers.
And so far, nobody knows what we've got.
That's what we affectionately call Arts Parts.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
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Open lines this evening, tomorrow night, Zachariah Sitchin, followed by Graham Hancock and Robert Baval, and maybe more.
And I don't want to give anything away right now.
I just want to tell you that there is a gargantuan struggle going on regarding what's going to occur at Giza in December.
And it's like, I want to tell you more, But I know better.
It would be a disservice right now to a number of individuals were I to open my mouth.
And I'm dying to say what I want to say, but I guess 24 hours, we can wait 24 hours.
unidentified
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Music Boy, I hope you're going to come along on this next cruise.
Instead of, you know, going to this many places, you would normally have to get on an airplane and pack and unpack and pack and unpack and go into hotels, and it's horrible.
Horrible.
Even though you're seeing exotic locations and having a blast, this packing, unpacking business is horrible.
With a cruise, you have your own room, cabin, and it's home.
And so the ship docks, and you take the minimum amount of stuff you want to have a good time that day, and you go ashore, and you have fun.
You have great fun.
And then you come home, and all your things are in the cabin.
So if you have never been on a cruise, I urge you to consider this next one that we're going on.
It's going to be incredible.
Really incredible.
And it's an easy way to go as compared to the alternative.
I don't, look, I don't fault him for trying in Bosnia.
I would fault him for not trying.
And any president would have had to have tried.
I mean, you know, we have some responsibility, I know that, to go in there and try to prevent a Holocaust, try to prevent genocide.
Well, I mean, how far we go to do that, I don't know.
But I don't fault him for trying.
It's just that I understand, as you do, that the minute we leave, they're going to go back to doing what they do, and that's killing each other.
unidentified
Yeah, but I'd still say we would have just armed both sides and let them go at it.
But, you know, the Muslims have their worldview, and the Protestant, European, Christian, whatever, you know, they have their worldview, and they've always clashed.
This goes back to the Dark Ages, you know, the Knights and the Roundtable and all that.
It's always been the same story.
I mean, let's face it, as far as I'm concerned, there's never going to be peace until Jesus Christ is sitting on the throne ruling his kingdom.
And until then, we're just, you know, we've got to keep, everybody's got to keep themselves armed to the teeth.
I really don't fault Clinton for trying in Boston.
I don't think he had any choice.
I really don't think he had any choice.
But I don't think it's going to work.
And I do think if we leave, unless there's an international presence there for the next 40 years or so, which there may be, the minute the force leaves, the war will resume and the genocide will resume.
It's pretty safe back.
What's going on now in Israel?
It's a little difficult to understand how that will be resolved without it becoming an all-out war.
It may.
I'm very interested.
I want to see Israel.
I want to see Egypt.
I want to see these areas.
I mean, there's a little bit of danger, but every trip I've had has had a little bit of danger.
So what?
You go into communist China, there's a little bit of danger.
You go into Russia these days, there is a fair amount of danger.
You go to Israel, there's danger.
You go into areas where there's terrorism, there is danger.
But I like living life, and these are things I want to see, and I'm not going to be stopped because there's a little bit of danger.
So I think this coming trip, you have no idea how I'm looking forward to it.
I have wanted to see all my life the pyramids.
And with the programs I've been doing and the ones that are coming, the one coming up, as a matter of fact, later tonight, boy, is that going to be a program.
Don't miss that.
Graham Hancock, Robert Bilal, And maybe more.
There are developments that will occur during the day today that will dictate what's going to occur tonight.
And I can't tell you I know what's going to happen.
I can tell you there are dramatic, powerful things afoot.
I'm capsulizing from a newspaper article in the Portland, Tennessee Leader.
This family lives pretty much out in the country, and this incident started about 4 o'clock in the morning.
The father was awakened by a sound which it sounded like animals scurrying around the roof.
And he got up, went, looked out, saw nothing, went back to bed.
And about 4.30 a.m. he heard it again and went and looked.
And he described an entity, which the newspaper does not describe, that was standing on his deck looking back at him.
And there was a small white light about the size of a baseball floating around his yard, about four feet off the ground.
And it seemed to be chasing this entity.
He also noticed, looking out through his backyard, he said about two miles away and perhaps 500 feet off the ground, there was a larger white-yellow light, which at one time was emitting red rays.
Well, the only complaint I've got is that how could they possibly go out there and not ask for a description of the, quote, entity?
unidentified
I agree.
Like I say, this is a small town, a very small town newspaper, and I think maybe somebody must have been sympathetic to this fellow and just overlooked that part.
And there was a show that I watched yesterday afternoon that was kind of interesting.
And I wish I could remember the fellow's name that they were doing the show on, on English Fellows that is studying, you know, like the underground caverns and stuff, or the, you know, all the tunnels and stuff underneath the pyramids.
No, it was another name I hadn't heard of before but the fellow that's doing the show do you know the name of the guy that is because I don't know I'm a I'm a blind person so I couldn't read the credits do you know the fellow that is the the guy that plays Al on Home Improvement do you know who I'm talking about I don't watch it but I know who you're talking about okay he saw this guy sounded like him you know so that's why I'm thinking it was it was him it was
that was the moderator of the show.
I see.
And it sounds like it's something that's going to be coming up on ABC.
If a major event was to occur of, you know, very newsworthy proportions, would you rather it be shortly before you went on the air, when you were on the air, or after you got it off the air and had most of the day to listen to it and form of opinions about the event?
There are some times when events occur when I'm on the air that it's very exciting.
The audience participates.
I immediately get into it because we do live talk radio overnight and we have reports here probably better than about anywhere else because we have all these people gathering information.
Other kinds of things are horrible because you don't have information about them.
You can't get information about them.
And the minute it occurs, everybody runs away to television trying to figure out what's going on.
And of course, they're sitting there repeating, usually, senseless information.
information over and over and over again because they don't know what's going on.
Many times I would prefer an event to occur and for me to be able to digest and form my own opinion so we can come and talk about it intelligently on the air.
So I don't know.
That's no kind of answer.
unidentified
Well yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Quick story I'd like to relate to you.
I loaned a copy of your book to my brother whose boss started listening.
And when you returned the book to my brother, he said, I asked how he liked it.
And he said, I really enjoyed it.
There was a lot of information that I didn't know.
And I said, yeah, there is.
And he said, for example, I didn't know art was a ham.
And I said, oh, yeah, the more you listen to him, he's a real cut up.
Since that moment, and that was shortly after I could walk, I have been fascinated by electronics, by radio, and my whole life has been devoted to that.
And when I'm not doing it here, then I'm doing it elsewhere.
For example, when I get off here in a few minutes, you know, the show's about to come to an end, I have an antenna to fix.
I have an end connector to put on some coax, and I hate end connectors.
Hams will know what I'm talking about.
They're horrible.
So, one way or the other, I'm consistently involved in radio up to my neck.