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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Albert Taylor OBEs

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from September 25th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning as the case may be, across all these many varied time zones from the Hawaiian and Asian Islands, swiftly moving eastward across this great land to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and some other Caribbean islands on my band, then on down into South America, north to the pole and worldwide on the internet.
		This is post-to-post a.m.
		Live on screen talk radio all night long.
		This comes under the category of you asked for it.
		So now you're gonna get it.
		And I've been hard at work ever since I've been getting these myriad of um unrelenting sleep paralysis calls.
		Alright, I've got it too.
		It's been going on for days.
		So tonight.
		Al Taylor.
		Albert Taylor.
		Author of something called Soul Traveler.
		A man, who from a very early age, himself, experienced death-like night paralysis.
		And he researched it, and he knows what it is, and he's going to talk to you about it tonight.
		So under the category of you asked for it, here it comes.
		We'll get to all of that shortly.
		Let me do a couple of things right up front.
		And if you'll get it and run and get a pencil.
		The waiting is over.
		I am going to tell you about the cruise coming up next year and how to get in on it in just a few moments.
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george noory ▲ ● ▼		Even though I think the middle class is being eroded away, because most people are doing relatively okay, we haven't seen that balance of power shift yet.
george noory ▲ ● ▼		If that gets higher, I think we got a real problem.
unidentified		I don't see governments being supportive of this kind of rising up of people asserting their frustrations.
		We're looking at a very historic time beginning to emerge right now.
		Now we take you back to the night of September 25th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, in a nutshell, here it is, folks.
		This is night one, and this is your opportunity.
		And I have had now many years of cruises going to exotic locations, and trust me, this one takes the cake.
		We're going to leave the United States next October 1st.
		In other words, a little over a year from now.
		But because of the prices that we're going to be able to get for you, and they are very, very good prices, we're doing this far ahead of time.
		Far ahead of time.
		Now, we were due to take another tour, but you know I've wanted to see the pyramid, so I've talked them into another tour, and this is a winner.
		Believe me.
		So we leave the U.S., bound for Athens, Greece, on October 1st.
		October 2nd, we arrive in Athens, Greece.
		And there we transfer from the airport to Holland America's extremely luxurious ship.
		We know all about the Mozdom because we went on the Mozdom last time.
		Sail at 5 o'clock.
		Now, of course, you can arrive in Athens a day or two or three early if you want to spend a lot of time in Athens.
		October 3rd, we get the first full day at sea, and you will love it.
		There, you get a photograph with me trying to smile, and a welcome aboard party, and so forth and so on.
		October 4th, we arrive in Alexandria, Egypt for Cairo.
		And there, there is an optional shore tour excursion, which goes straight to Giza and the pyramids.
		You'll be able to descend a hundred steps into the center of Cheops, the largest of three 5,000-year-old pyramids.
		You may also visit the interior of two other pyramids, and of course the famed Sphinx just off to the side.
		So this is my baby.
		I've been wanting to go there, and we're going.
		Then October 5th, we go to Jerusalem, Israel.
		And I'll be telling you a lot more about all of this.
		And the wailing wall, you know, we'll do everything that you want to do when you get to Israel.
		And then October 6th, to Haifa, Israel.
		October 7th, it's back at sea, and you'll be glad to get back at sea and the wonders of the MS Mazdom.
		October 8th, we go to Rhodes, Greece, one of the most popular islands, Greek islands.
		And I'll tell you more about these.
		October 9th, Potmost, Greece, another Greek island, and then yet October 10th, another Greek island.
		Crete.
		Have you ever been to Crete?
		Have you heard about Crete?
		We're going there.
		October 11th, we go to one final stop, the mainland of Greece.
		And I'd be darned if I can pronounce it.
		It's N-A-V-P-L-I-O-N.
		And I would slaughter it if I tried, so I won't.
		Then we get another day at sea.
		Then we are in Naples, Italy.
		And we get to go visit the city that was buried, Pompeii, the ancient city of Pompeii, the Isle of Capri.
		And then we end up, and I'm skipping through this very quickly, we end up in Rome, Italy.
		So I'm telling you, this is going to be the cruise of a lifetime or 10 lifetimes.
		And it's all on the Mozdom.
		Now, listen, if you're interested in coming along, I'm going to give you the phone numbers right now, and you need to begin calling in the morning at 8 o'clock through 6 o'clock Pacific time.
		From 8 o'clock in the morning through 6 o'clock Pacific time.
		Now don't wait.
		Do not wait.
		I warn every year about this, and every year it fills up, and that's it.
		You know, we get filled up, and that will happen again this year, and this is going to be the cruise of a lifetime.
		We're going to the pyramids and much more.
		I also want to see Pompeii.
		But I'm telling you, trust me on this, you can't wait.
		You've got to get going now.
		I know it's a year away, and it's hard to think that far away.
		But we're doing this very intentionally early so that we can get enough of you with us and so that we don't fill up too early.
		But inevitably, that's exactly what occurs.
		It has every single year.
		so we'll get those numbers on later i just wanted to get you the information for the incredible We touch just about every terror spot in the Mideast.
		And, gee, we're going to Greece and to the pyramids, of course, in Egypt and the Greek islands and Italy and Israel.
		And so I'm calling it the territory.
		For those who are not afraid to live life a little bit, there's danger in all of life, right?
		And it hasn't stopped me yet.
	I've been to communist China.
	I've been to what is supposed to be non-communist Russia.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	And on that score, by the way, Boris Yeltsin will have his operation out for a while because he's not strong enough.
	The power struggle is going on over there right now.
	And so there is that.
	The debate over the debates continues.
	There is significant trouble in Israel where the Palestinians seem bent or the Israelis seem bent on battling each other once again.
	Seven dead to this hour in continuing battles.
	And that pretty much covers the news.
	Now, over the past, what would you guys say, about a week, somebody brought up sleep paralysis.
	It was like a snowball going downhill.
	I can't stop.
	I was unable to stop the calls.
	Something's going on out there.
	I've heard of sleep paralysis.
	I'm rather sure it's been around as long as we have.
	But this many people experiencing it indicates that something profound is going on.
	So I was compelled to bow to the audience and say, okay, let's find out about it.
	Here's the guy who will tell us about it.
	He is Al Taylor.
	And as I said, from a very early age, he experienced what he calls death-like night paralysis with extremely lucid dreams.
	His grandmother called them witch rides.
	These witch rides progress to actual out-of-body experiences, OBEs, astral projection, whatever you want to call it, flying with the mind to distant places, traveling beyond our physical plane, spirit encounters, psychic insights and healing.
	He's an engineer, a scientist, and an artist.
	He relates experiences with great insight and some humor.
	You've got to have a sense of humor about things, folks.
	How these paranormal events have impacted his personal growth, relationships.
	All of this explains how the reader can experience an OBE step-by-step.
	Now, I've been scared to death of it.
	A good friend of mine, as you know, is Daniel Brinkley, who said of Soul Traveler, which is the name of Albert's book, quote, Albert Taylor's adventures into the other dimensions affords us a way to look at life, expand, laugh some, search our soul some, find ways to believe.
	It's a must-read.
	And that sure does sound like Daniel, doesn't it?
	So let us, by the way, his engineering background includes work on SDI, a real hardware kind of Guy.
	He was involved in NASA's International Space Station program.
	This man has a serious background.
	Presently working in computers, owns a company called Phoenix Computer Systems, and is someplace or another in Southern California right now.
	Here is Albert Taylor.
	Albert, are you there?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Albert, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, welcome to the program.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great to have you.
		And I can't tell you, Albert, you wouldn't believe the calls that I've been getting.
		Last week, sometime toward the end of the week, it began when somebody called about sleep paralysis, and I couldn't stop the calls.
unidentified		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not everybody who feels it, Albert, thinks it's wonderful and great.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scares the hell out of them, actually.
unidentified		Yes, very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I think a good place to begin, somebody called last night and said, well, I have somebody on the other side and explain what it is medically.
		Now, if you go to a doctor and you say, doctor, I have this state at night where I wake up and I appear to be conscious.
		I can hear things.
		I can see things, but I can't move.
		Doctor, it's terrifying.
		What's happening to me?
		What is a doctor probably going to tell you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, since I've already done that, the exact same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can tell.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you what my doctor said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And first of all, I had to try to figure out how to tell her.
		And I started going through my mind before she entered the office.
		Well, Doc, you know, I lose control of my body at night.
		And I thought, no, that sounds like possession.
		And I thought, well, you know, doctor, I have concerns about being paralyzed, but that sounds like paranoia.
		So I had to figure out how to tell the doctor.
		And she came in and she examined me and, you know, hit me with a little hammer and things like that.
		And then finally I got around to it.
		And I said, you know, Doc, at night, when I go to sleep, sometime during the middle of the night, I wake up and I feel completely paralyzed.
		And I'm wondering if there's some type of neurological problem.
		And she smiled and she looked at me and she pat me on the back and she says, that happens to me all the time and I'm okay, so you must be okay.
		And that was the end of, that was about the extent of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean she didn't offer up any actual medical explanations?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		None at all.
		None at all.
		But I can say this, that I have heard a lot of medical explanations on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have you heard?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard that during the night there's a chemical that's released in the body that paralyzes the body so that you don't act out your dreams.
		In other words, if you were dreaming, you were running or something, you don't jump up and run out of the room.
		That's what I heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've also heard doctors say grand malseizure.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I think I've heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then I've heard sleep apnea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's where you can sometimes skip heartbeats or something like that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Stop breathing for a few seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And people who snore a lot, that sort of thing.
		Right.
		So I've heard all those medical explanations, and I'm sure that's what a doctor would have to say.
		And so somebody last night said, well, why don't you have a doctor on?
		Well, that's what a doctor is going to say at best.
		I wonder if the truth is that they don't really exactly know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think that that is exactly it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, when you talk about night paralysis, you're only talking about the tip of the iceberg, because that's just the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		See, the doctors, they may be able to try to explain away why a person is paralyzed in the middle of the night, but then as the OBE continues or out-of-body experience continues, they can't explain what's going on after that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		They can't explain to me why I can go to places that I've never been physically and identify them and list what's going on there with 100% accuracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did this sleep paralysis begin for you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, it started when I was about five years old.
		And see, my family is from the South.
		And in the South, they have a lot of superstitions.
		I'm from Los Angeles myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the South of California or South?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Back in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, way back in the South.
		And my grandmother, she had the paralysis also, and so did her mother.
		And the superstition was that the witches or witches would come and ride you at night.
		And that's why you felt paralyzed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The witches would come.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the witches are riding you.
		So needless to say, I would wake up in the middle of the night and go running into my grandmother's room for comfort.
		And I would say, Grandma, I couldn't move last night and I felt paralyzed.
		And she'd pat me on the head and said, that's okay, the witches are riding you last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		albert uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		how did it happen in other words were you Were you awake, conscious, or in some middle ground or not conscious or when this would occur?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say I was almost in a super conscious state where I was very, very much alert, very, very much aware that I was laying in my bed.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I could see the room very clearly, and I wear glasses, so that is an interesting fact, because the room should have been blurry if I was just looking out of my normal eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I could hear perfectly anything that was going on in the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All your other senses, even the senses, smell, everything normal.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Everything normal.
		Everything normal.
		That's what's so terrifying about it because you actually feel as if there's something wrong with you because you feel like you're normal except you can't move your body.
		And it's scary.
		Another thing that occurs during the paralysis that people have problems with is you feel like you can't breathe either.
		So you have shallow breath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a panic situation.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		You begin to panic.
		You also, sometimes people describe it as the heavies.
		So you feel like your chest is very, very heavy or like someone, something is pushing you down into the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's almost the symptom of a heart attack, isn't it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, because it's not painful in any way, shape, or form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the people who have heart attacks will say it feels like there's a fist pressing in on their chest.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, but that sounds painful to me.
		I'm not talking about a painful heaviness.
		I'm just talking about extreme gravity all around.
		Not just in your chest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everywhere.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Your whole body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Like you're going through two or three Gs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That type of acceleration.
		A lot of other times during the paralysis, people feel like they're falling backwards or falling through the bed.
		And sometimes that causes people to catch themselves and actually wake up out of this paralysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a start.
		Exactly, exactly.
		That's happened to me.
		Oh, yes, that has happened.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine, you know, I've been touring all up and down California on a book tour, and I ask this question all the time.
		The first thing I ask is: Has anyone felt paralyzed at night?
		And you would be surprised that I would say at least 40% of the audience raised their hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It happens a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there's something that I want to ask you about.
		Now, I was shocked, I mean really shocked, at the number of calls that I'm getting.
		Now, I suppose this has been going on forever, but arguably something seems to be going on now where there is more of this paralysis business.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sensing that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, definitely.
		Now, I think it may be one of two reasons.
		The first reason is that now we're in a new age, as we call it, and we've moved from an occult type of category, which was very frightening to people and had airs of the devil or demon worship, to new age, which is real, rosy, and nice.
		And people can come out of the closet, so to speak, and talk about these things that are happening to them more freely.
		So that may be one reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's just because people are not afraid to talk about itself?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I found that in my own family.
		Once I started writing my book, Soul Traveler, people in my own family that I've known all my life were now starting to come to me and tell me, you know, I've had these experiences, but I didn't want to tell anyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, when we come back, we're going to start to talk about what this really is.
		So stay right there for a moment.
		We'll be back to you.
		My guest is Al Taylor.
		The book, Soul Traveler.
		The website connection on my web right now.
		Go check it out.
		www.artbell.com.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		tonight an encore presentation of coast to coast a.m.
		from september twenty fifth nineteen ninety six is
		My love is dead like.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sleep paralysis.
		It may be a bit more than you imagine.
		My guest is Albert Taylor.
		Al Taylor.
		He wrote Soul Traveler.
		Let me give you a hint about where we may be going.
		And we'll get back to him in a moment.
unidentified		The End Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time Back now to Al.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should we call you Albert or Al?
unidentified		Al.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Al.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Al, it shall be then.
		All right, Al.
		So many people have shared this experience with you, and I have felt, Al, the beginnings of it.
		But I'm a kind of a control freak, and it scared the hell out of me.
		And when I have felt it, I have always fought it like crazy.
		I mean, like I'm fighting for my life, and it goes away.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I got some other calls.
		Then the other calls started coming, and people said, hey, look, I put my hand down, or my hand felt like it was falling through the bed, and others have said, I felt myself rise out of my body.
		And these are people who let it go.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if I could ever do that.
		I mean, that's really something, it's like putting trust somewhere.
		And I don't know if I could do that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the biggest thing that I've found is fear.
		Yeah.
		People have fear of the unknown.
unidentified		Sure.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And because it feels very discomforting, I mean, with the breathing, the paralysis, and all that, you know, that's what makes people hold on.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But I can tell you that through the experiences that I've had, and I also teach this down at the Learning Light Foundation in Anaheim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		I teach a weekly class every Thursday at 1212 Lincoln Boulevard.
		But what I found out is that once you first of all find out what it is, and then I've worked with a lot of people, I've talked this to hundreds of people, they not only stop dreading this paralysis, but they actually start looking forward to it.
		Become enthusiastic about it, hoping they have it tonight.
		Really?
		And you know what's interesting about this is that it has nothing to do with your age.
		I mean, my six-year-old son experiences it, and my 74-year-old mother experiences it.
		And what's interesting about my 74-year-old mother, she's had this paralysis practically all her life, too, but only about four years ago I shared with her what was going on, and she used some of the techniques that I listed in my book, and the very first time she tried it, she had an out-of-body experience, a wonderful one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's start with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any dangers?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's a great question that I get all the time.
		And they break it down to this.
		They say, can anything happen to me?
		While I'm out, can someone come over and take over my body?
		And the answer to that is no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was thinking more like, might I die?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		and see, this is what a lot of people don't know: is that 99% of us experience out-of-body experiences, have out-of-body experiences every night, but only 20% of us remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but Al, a lot of people also die in their sleep.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's true, that's true.
		But everybody has an out-of-body experience, but you know, I mean, if you take 100 people at night and 100 people come back to the room, there's very few chances of anybody being dead at that time.
		I mean, everybody experiences, but only a few remember it.
		And what I've done with my classes and my techniques is I've increased it to about 60%.
		So all you're doing is remembering what you do normally at night.
		And it's a very natural, it's not something new that you're stepping into a new area.
		It's just becoming aware of something you already do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's like breathing.
		You already breathe.
		Now that you become aware of it, it doesn't mean you're going to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But take me, for example.
		I work all night long, and I sleep during the day.
		Really no different than my opposite counterpart, just sleeping at different parts of the day.
		And when I go to sleep, I want to sleep.
		And frankly, sometimes when I've had very vivid dreams, I wake up feeling as though I am not rested.
		In other words, I like to go to sleep and just good night, goodbye, slice of death, see you if I wake up.
		And I wake up feeling good and rested and all the rest of it.
		But if I have a vivid dream, it's like I've been working.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the difference between vivid dreams and the OBE experiences is simply this.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And this is why people say, well, how do you wake up in the morning refreshed if you're doing all this traveling and flying at night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my question.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The difference is, is when you dream, you are definitely not out of your body.
		And your body moves and turns with your experiences and your thoughts and your dreams.
		But when you're OBE or out of body, this is why I tell people, pick a comfortable spot.
		Make sure that you're very comfortable because if you're out for an hour or so, your body does not move at all.
		And that's why I wrote an article in a magazine titled, My Body Sleeps, But I Do Not.
		That's exactly what happens.
		My body will sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The title of your book is Soul Traveler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's stop and let's ask a little bit about the nature of what is Albert, the soul?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		What is the soul?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's a very profound question.
		I could go into a lot of theology, metaphysics, but to simply put it, the reason I call my book Soul Traveler is because I believe that a lot of people say, well, I have a soul.
		Well, I don't believe it's something that you keep in your pocket or it's inside your body floating around somewhere.
		I believe that we are soul.
		We are it, what we claim to have.
		And that's what I believe leaves the body.
		Now, some people may say it's the spirit.
		Well, that's the same thing to me because what it is is what you are.
		It's your pure consciousness.
		And that's what I call the soul.
		And I believe that the soul travels.
		Well, my soul does travel.
		So that's why I named it soul traveler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it the same immortal soul that we talk of in various religions around the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is the soul.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it will go on and on and on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is what leaves your body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		Exactly.
		And what I tell people, see, this is, see, a lot of wonderful things can happen from having out-of-body experiences.
		First of all, in 1993, I had a profound OBE, which totally removed the fear of death.
		I mean, completely.
		I do not fear death in any way, shape, or form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm a member of International Association of Near-Death Studies.
		And when I had this experience, this OBE experience, suddenly I felt as if I'm finally home.
		Like, that is my natural state.
		And this, in the physical body, is a very, very temporary state.
		All of a sudden, I understood who I really was, and I understood that not only would I survive death, but I would continue consciously to experience another reality, so to speak.
		And this is what I tell people.
		If you travel out of body, that's as dead as you're ever going to get.
		That's what it feels like.
		It matches the same experiences that my colleagues who have had near-death experiences.
		It is exactly like that.
		That's as dead as you'll ever get.
		So if that's it, then there's nothing to be afraid of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed Daniel Brinkley.
		He describes an extremely vivid near-death experience.
		I don't even know if you could call what he had near-death.
		It seems like it was death.
		And so he validates what you're saying, or you're validating what he says.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you...
		What did you determine?
		What did you feel and see?
		And was it a material-like world or an esoteric?
		Tell me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in the beginning, in the beginning, I would just rise up out of the body and I would float by the ceiling.
		Or I would float down to the floor and go through my house, through the different rooms.
		And then I started getting braver and braver because at first I didn't know what was going on.
		But then I would go, I would think about a person that I knew and I would go to their house from the beginning.
		That was a physical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to pin it down to something I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you are out of your body, do you see things starting?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
unidentified		Do you perceive that you have a body?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You perceive that you have what's called, in some cases, an astral body, or like Robert Monroe used to call it, the second body.
		And you actually can see hands, but they do not look exactly like the hands of your physical body.
		They're kind of transparent.
		The hand is a little bit larger than your normal hand.
		It glows slightly, luminescent.
		And you can use these hands, this body that you're in, it is just as maneuverable, and you can feel and touch fabric just like you could in the physical.
		Only thing is you can touch it or you can penetrate through it.
		Like walls, fabric, anything.
		You can touch it or you can penetrate, actually penetrate through it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you say you can touch it, let's say I were to go over to my couch and touch my couch now in the physical world, I will see a depression in the couch when I touch it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You're right, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In astral travel, if I touch, you say I can touch things.
		If I were to touch that couch, would I see a depression?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say no, but you would feel almost every fiber of the couch more than you would with your physical hand.
unidentified		Wow.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, with Robert Monroe, he has actually been out of body and has pinched someone and left a physical bruise on that person.
		That is very rare.
		Very rare.
		But most people just feel the surface and aren't able to affect it, like move objects and things like that while OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert Monroe is able to pinch a lot of people.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and in his book, I believe it was his first one, where he described how he thought he did this out of body, but then after he returned, he called the person up and they confirmed that he actually did that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And then he saw the person later and they had a bruise exactly where he pinched the person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any limit to where one may travel?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, there isn't.
		You can go anywhere you want, physical or non-physical realities.
		There aren't any limits.
		The only limits are your own fears and limitations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you should be able to prove it, then.
		In other words, if you can go to Egypt or Tokyo or, you know, anywhere, or even off-planet, then you should be able to observe something in that state that could then be verified.
		Is that possible?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		Exactly.
		And it's happened.
		And I've done that numerous times.
		I've gone to friends' houses that I've never been physically and come back and written about it in detail.
		And some of that is in my book, and then call them up and started telling them what their place looked like.
		Not only what the interior of their apartment looked like, but what the views were outside the windows, what the neighborhood looked like, because I was flying around the neighborhood.
		And I've got to tell you, six years ago, if you would have told me this, I would have thought you were nuts.
		I didn't just buy into this at all.
		I was very, very skeptical to this whole thing.
		But after proving it to myself, because basically that's all I wanted to do, I wanted to find out what was happening with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Naturally.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		When I started doing it and proving it to myself, then and testing it out because I'm a researcher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		You were in the hard sciences.
		I mean, here's a guy who was in NASA working with NASA and SDI and all the rest of that idea.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I've had a secret experience for the last 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, you actually, it says here, perform development engineering on top secret programs like the F-117 Stealth.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how in God's name do you get from this kind of a background to Soul Traveler?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, it's been happening to me since I was five years old.
		I didn't go out to have these experiences.
		They came to me.
		And all I wanted to do was understand what was going on.
		Since it was happening without my control at that time, I just wanted to know, I wanted to make sure it wasn't some type of neurological defect or some type of psychological problem, schizophrenia or something like that.
		So then I started exploring it, and I only explored it as a researcher.
		I just wanted to find out, measure it, and convince myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Daniel I gave up with startling proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before he began to really investigate, he went to every doctor in sight, had every test in sight performed, tried to ensure there was no physical malady whatsoever, and once he was finally satisfied, then he began to explore.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And that's what I say.
		You know, skepticism is very healthy.
		I don't tell people that I'm here to convince you because I'm just going to give you some tools that you can go out and find out for yourself.
		Then you come back and say, oh, my God, this is real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How sure are you it's real?
		In other words, how sure are you that it is not simply a dream state?
		The moving electrified synapses of your brain clicking away while you sleep.
		How do you know it's not that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		How sure am I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say 110%.
unidentified		That's how sure I am.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't doubt it at all, not just because of floating out of the body, but I have had so many interesting experiences.
		See, all of this caught me by surprise.
		And we've only scraped the surface of what really happens while you're OBE.
		You know, there's things like spirit encounters, things like that, that were to me at the time frightening.
		I mean, and it was happening every night, sometimes three times a night.
		And after a period of time, where it's been years now, you start to believe if you experience this several times a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you able to discern, when you're out of body, are you able to discern between that which you observe in the physical world and, say, an encounter with another traveler?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
		You know, this is what's interesting about traveling OBE because, see, as you touched on it before, you're in the spirit body or the soul body, and you have far more awareness than you do right now in the physical body.
		You're open to a lot of things, and you understand a lot of things, and there's some things that you just know.
		It's like almost like tapping into, like Dr. Joseph Murphy called it, universal consciousness.
		It's like what psychics do.
		They just know things, and they're not worried about convincing anybody else because they're very sure inside.
		And that's what happens while you're OBE.
		It's almost as if your consciousness opens up and you just understand a lot of things that would baffle you in the physical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember a movie called Somewhere in Time?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Was that the Jack the Ripper one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Christopher Reeves.
		It was a story.
		It was really a love story.
		And it was a story about travel in time.
		And it was about this man who fell in love with this image of a woman.
		I mean, sick love, just absolutely in love.
		And he wanted to be with her.
		So he isolated himself in a hotel room and took away every object that would be reminiscent of the 20th century.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Was Jane Seymour in this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then you know where I'm going.
		Yes.
		Is what was depicted in that motion picture.
		Now, he traveled in time.
		Is that possible?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is possible.
		As a matter of fact, time only exists in the physical plane.
		There is no time when you're out of body.
		You can have an experience that feels like three hours and may only happen in five minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time is a function.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time is a function of the physical world.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Correct, correct.
		And see, but this is the warning I give people, and I don't give a lot of warnings about this, but one of the warnings I do give is that because it's very real, it's not a figment of your imagination, especially if you go forward in time, you go forward in time, and you may see something and something you may not like.
		And when you come back to the physical, you'll have to deal with it, and you may even see this particular thing begin to manifest.
		So that's why I tell people, be very careful, because once you know, you will have to live with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What then are we able to discern about the nature of time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you go forward in time and see something that is going to occur and then you see it begin to manifest, can you change it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say in some cases you can, but in other cases, because this is, we're not going through life or this existence on earth unguided.
		We are all here.
		We are all here for lessons.
		And some experiences have to occur for us to gain or to evolve as individual spirits.
		So there's some things that you're not going to be able to change.
		And it goes into a lot of philosophy about karma and things like that.
		But there are some things that are going to manifest.
		Some things you can change.
		But there are some things that you can't, and you will have to deal with them.
		And accept them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		It confuses me then about the nature of time.
		In other words, are things predestined?
		Or you're saying sometimes they are.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, sometimes.
		Some things have to occur.
		Not only do they have to occur, you agreed to let them occur or you agreed to have this experience.
		So because I because, see, we're not just talking about the individual.
		And I want to go into this.
		When you get out of body, you'll find some...
		In metaphysical circles, they'll call them guides.
		So these guides, or guardian angels, are kind of guiding you through experiences that you agreed to have prior to coming here.
unidentified		What are these?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And these things are going to manifest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are these entities?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, depending on your beliefs, and if you're, you know, in your religious beliefs, you may call them angels.
		You may call them friendly guardian spirits.
		In metaphysical circles, they'll call them guides, masters, helpers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you call them?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I call them guides.
		But, you know, the thing is, is that a rose by any other name still smells of sweetened, and they still are going to perform the same jobs they would no matter what you call them.
		And their job is for your higher good.
		And it's not something they picked out.
		It's something that they're helping you to accomplish that you agreed to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that we lead successive physical lifetimes?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You mean reincarnation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
		Definitely.
		And I didn't believe this six years ago.
		I didn't even believe it four years ago.
		But definitely, through the out-of-body experience and the other non-physical realities that I have experienced, it has slowly opened my mind to this, I mean, opened my understanding to what we really are.
		We're timeless.
		Which is wonderful because if you think about it, to me, life without reincarnation is like a stage play with only one act.
		There just isn't enough time for character development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a great line.
		All right.
		Listen, Al, relax.
		Take it easy.
		We'll come back and open up after the top of the hour.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		My guest is Albert Taylor.
		Al Taylor.
		He has authored a book called Soul Traveler.
		He also has a webpage.
		If you would like to see his webpage and you're a computer type, we've got a link up for you tonight.
		Simply go on up to www.artbell.com and jump right across.
		You'll see it right there at the top.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 25, 1996.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you fear a little slice of death every night?
		Well, you asked for it, so here it is.
		We're discussing sleep paralysis.
		My guest is Al Taylor.
		He's written a book called Soul Traveler.
		That gives you an idea of where we're going and where you may be going.
		He had it as a youngster.
		This man was an engineer.
		He worked on SDI.
		He worked on the stealth program.
		He runs a computer company.
		Not a likely candidate to write a book like Soul Traveler.
		So if you want to find out what sleep paralysis that little slice of death is all about, stay right here.
		We'll get back to Al Taylor in just a moment.
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		Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to Al Taylor, who wrote Soul Traveler.
		It's all about this sleep paralysis thing, but so much more.
		And Albert, I'm going to hit you with the hard stuff first.
		Can I do that?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
		Might as well dispense with it right now.
		Hi, Art.
		and Albert Taylor tell the difference of between good and bad guys sounds like he has Sounds like he's bought into the OBE so much, he's no longer an objective observer or a researcher.
		Guides, helpers, watchers, or whatever you call them, could be part of the end time deception.
		Sounds like he no longer can tell the difference.
		Signed, Bob.
		And this, of course, is the religious angle.
		And they see you as a new wavy, kind of touchy-feely person.
		And they see you possibly as, you know, on the dark side.
		Now, how do you answer that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I can say is that I'm a middle-of-the-road type of person.
		Like I said, I'm a researcher.
		I do numerous tests.
		I don't jump to conclusions.
		And I have absolutely no information that suggests that something is negative going on.
		If I did, I would definitely pay attention to it.
		But as it stands right at this moment, out of all the experiences I've had, and I've had hundreds, I have absolutely no information showing that something negative is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the movie Flatliners?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They induced clinical death to determine what was on the other side.
		That occurs naturally every day.
		People with heart attacks, strokes, you know, near death, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When they leave their body, or when they left their body in those clinical experiments, which could be done in the real world, of course, would they be going through the same process that you go through when you leave your body in soul travel?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not exactly.
		That would be more like if you could do that, or if someone would do that, that would be more like a controlled near-death experience.
		And see, the near-death experience, you don't have a lot of options on where to go.
		Generally, you come out of the body because of a trauma or an accident to the body or if you want to stop the heart.
		And you may hover around the body for a few minutes.
		You may even move around in different locations.
		But eventually, you're drawn into a tunnel or you go and transition to a non-physical reality and have experiences with the light or Jesus or whatever, depending on your beliefs, whatever type of entity or angelic being that might be there.
		Sometimes you have experiences with dead relatives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you seem to allude to the fact that not as a norm, but that in out-of-body, you can go to these same locations.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's and see, the thing is, is during the near-death experience, you're drawn there.
		During the out-of-body experience, you choose to go there, which is a big difference.
		In other words, you choose to go there, and you can choose to come back when you're in the middle of the day.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You have far more control.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Far more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's say that I'm, and this is going to be the majority of the audience.
		All right, Albert, I'm interested.
		I have this sleep paralysis.
		It's been occurring.
		It's been bothering me.
		It's been scaring the hell out of me.
		And I decided to take your advice.
		And I come to you, Albert, and I say, all right, look, I'm willing to give it a try.
		It's been scaring me.
		This sounds interesting.
		How do I do it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, the first thing I would say, you know, in my book, in chapter 14, I dedicated the whole entire chapter on how to do it.
		And I also dedicate a portion of the chapter on how to induce the paralysis in case you don't, you know, you want to make it happen, which a lot of people, once they find out what it is, they do.
		But what I can first want to explain what the paralysis is and what it is not.
		First of all, it's not a defect.
		It's not neurological problems or something like that or breathing problems.
		What it is is right now as we're awake in the physical world, our spirit and our body are very tightly connected.
		But during sleep, when we go to sleep, the body falls asleep and as it does, it kind of releases its grip on the spirit.
		But the spirit hasn't moved anywhere or the astral form.
		It hasn't moved anywhere, your consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just relaxes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You're disconnected from the physical, but you haven't transitioned from the body.
		So you feel as if, I can't move.
		But you're very, very aware.
		Now, the thing you have to do is that you go from trying to move the physical body to moving the spiritual body or astral form.
		And once you make that transition, then all you have to do is think about and actually say this in your consciousness or in your mind.
		I want to float upward.
		And sometimes, well, when you do that, generally you begin to rise up out of the body.
		But sometimes without you even requesting it, you begin to rise up out of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that would be scary.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, this is what got me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I was listening to you, Art, and here you are conducting a tour to Jerusalem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And you're telling me this is scary?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think that's kind of fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm an adventurous person, but I've not yet tried it OBE.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would rather do this than take on real terrorists or take a risk.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I feel a lot safer doing this than going to Jerusalem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't say Jerusalem would be a good place to go this morning.
		Not this morning.
		Anyway, so you will, that's the beginning stage.
		You can actually just feel yourself leaving your body.
		And you can do this simply by, when this paralysis sets in, consciously wishing it to be so.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first thing you have to do, you'll be at this fork in the road where you'll want to panic or fearful thoughts and want to come back and want to take a deep breath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And this takes practice and it's very difficult.
		You just have to let go.
		And that's hard because when you start letting go, physical reality, physical sensations like breathing and being aware of the room begin to slip away almost like a mini death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is scary.
unidentified		It is scary.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's more discomforting than anything.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But once you transition that period, all of a sudden, you're totally disconnected and you feel free, light, and you have a whole new awareness of your being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the physical sensations?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, once you're free, once you're out, are you still breathing?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Well, you can.
		You don't lose complete contact with the physical body.
		It's not like you're detached completely and you have no awareness of it.
		You're still very much connected.
		You can sense how you're breathing.
		You can sense how you're doing, that type of thing.
		But no, you don't breathe in the astral form.
		You can think it, think that you are, but you're not breathing in the astral form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to tell you kind of just some of the things that will experience during paralysis.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people hear a buzzing sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Like electrical sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You may hear a roaring wind, like there's a loud, loud noise going on inside of your head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The beginning of the paralysis?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The beginning of the disconnection process.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Or you may hear a whistle or a tone, high-pitched tone.
unidentified		or you may be part of the right shoot across your eye like in front of your vision and these are just warnings that uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a good word.
unidentified		These are indications.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indications.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Or road signs, so to speak, that you're approaching a disconnection point.
unidentified		And this is the point, believe me, where most of us panic and become fearful and then want to reconnect, and most of us do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And because we don't know what's beyond, generally a lot of us don't get to experience that.
		But once you do, you look forward to the experience.
		You relish it, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's back up just a little because let's ground this.
		Suppose I bought into what you're saying right now and I wanted to induce paralysis.
		How would I do that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the best way.
		Now, I listed it in my book, it's called the interruptive sleep technique.
		And what I did is I tried a host of different techniques.
		Some of them worked, some of them moderately worked, some of them didn't work at all.
		But what I found out about that, and I call it the IST, what I found out about the IST, if you do it correctly, like I listed in my book in chapter 14, it will work approximately for the average person about 8 out of 10 times, which is phenomenal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And what that is, and a lot of people will be able to relate to this because they do it without knowing.
		What you do is you go to sleep about maybe 10 o'clock at night and you set your alarm to wake up about 1.30.
		And when your alarm goes off, you get out of bed.
		You don't just cut off the alarm and lay there.
		You get out of bed and go watch television, read a book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about listening to my program for a hour?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be at that time of mind.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But that's fine.
		You know, as long as you stay up for two hours, but don't eat.
		You can drink water.
		Don't eat anything because the body uses energy to process food.
		So then when you go back to sleep about maybe 3.30, 4 o'clock, don't do this on the day you don't have to go to work.
		And when you lay down, then just do whatever.
		There's a numerous visual relaxation techniques you can do.
		I list several in my book.
		But basically what you want to do is just try to relax every muscle in your body.
		You start one at a time from the top of your head and just move down your body all the way to your feet until you've relaxed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know about that.
		I've had a lot of sleep troubles, Albert.
		And one way to get to sleep, I found, is to close your eyes.
		If nothing else works, think of your finger, relax your finger, then relax the rest of your fingers.
		One at a time, then relax your arm and consciously work.
		I've done that to get to work.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		To see if that works.
		And what happens is, is while you're going through this process and you're just laying there, don't move under any circumstances, try not to move, what will happen is, and this is really phenomenal, your body will fall asleep, but your consciousness will stay wide awake.
		And suddenly you'll find yourself in that paralysis state.
		Now you may even hear your body snoring.
		And that's when you really become aware that you're something a little different than the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may hear yourself snoring.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not your body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You just use your body like you would use school clothes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you hear yourself snoring and you're conscious, I would say there's been some sort of separation.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Definitely, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're still not really at that point out of your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're just sort of separated from your physical self.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Correct.
		And you're still occupying the same space as your physical body.
		But now it's time, once you disconnect from the physical, then it's time to switch over your thinking and focus your thoughts on moving the astral form or the second body, as Robert Monroe would call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was lucky to have interviewed Robert before he died.
		And we had a long discussion about the different levels, dimensional or different levels of hierarchy.
		Do you agree with that aspect of his?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		100%.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm a member of the Monroe Institute's Voyager program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I speak with Lori Monroe quite a bit.
		Definitely.
		Robert Monroe, to me, was my mentor, even though I never got a chance to meet him.
		He died two months before my book was finished.
		I had planned on sending it to him.
		See, I was having these experiences, and they were frightening me.
		I mean, I was so afraid the first time I had the experience that I jumped up out of the bed and I turned on all the lights in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that reaction, yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I was scared.
		I was scared.
		But when I started reading Robert's books, I started finding things in there that were happening to him that were happening to me.
		And that was a validation for me.
		Because then I realized, wow, it's not just me.
		It's not me having some kind of defect or something's wrong with me.
		Here's someone else talking about the exact same thing.
		And that's why I wanted to write my book in very simple terms so anybody could understand something that was happening to them.
		Not to convince them that I'm having OBEs, but to say that you too are having them and you may not even know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea, or would you even take a guess at why so many people suddenly are beginning to have this?
		Now, you mentioned earlier, well, more people are willing to talk about it now.
		Do you really?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Coming out of the closet theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, coming out of the closet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But is it possible that something else, something bigger is going on?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say yes.
		I would say that we, as a race of humans, are becoming more spiritual.
		We are waking up to the reality of what we really are and what the capabilities of the soul is.
		And they say new age.
		Yes, it is a new age.
		It's almost like a tidal wave.
		And we all are becoming more evolved and we're all having more and more of these type of experiences.
		Not just out-of-body experiences, but clairvoyance, clairaudience, and spirit encounters, psychic healing, where you're able to heal the body.
		Deepak Chopra wrote about that.
		So we're all kind of evolving together and now these things are starting to manifest more and more often.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you done any, you know, your background is in science.
		So have you, scientists like to prove things.
		They like repeatability.
		Yes.
		And with regard to OBE, how do you prove it?
		What's your best evidence for those who are standing back right now and saying, oh, come on?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, my best evidence is describing physical places that I have never been physically.
		And describing them not with just approximate detail or 60% detail, but 100% detail.
		And doing it over and over again.
		That to me, no matter what you want to call it, something is occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You make claims that sound like those made by those who claim to be able to do remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a relationship?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, remote viewing is a little bit different from actual traveling or having an OBE.
		Remote viewing is almost like if you were to view a room, it's almost like you are a camera up in the corner of the room or in a particular fixed location where you can view the room.
		Having an OBE is like physically being there, where you can move around the room, you feel like you're walking or floating or flying or you can touch objects.
		Or you feel as if you're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Al, tang tight.
		We'll be right back.
		It's the bottom of the hour.
		We're discussing sleep paralysis and free travel.
		We'll be right back.
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		We'll be right back.
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		Tonight's an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Al Taylor.
		His book is Soul Traveler.
		We'll find out how to get it here shortly.
		We'll give out the 800 number again.
		Plus, he's got a webpage.
		You can get to it by going to mine, hopping to his.
		That's www.artbell.com.
		You'll see it right up there at the top.
		I want to remind the audience tomorrow night, Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., the son of Major Jesse Marcel, who put his hands on Roswell Park.
		You don't want to miss that.
		In a moment, back to Al Taylor, and a fascinating program.
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unidentified		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25, 1990.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, we're going to go into a pretty rough area here for a moment, and I don't know where it's going to go, but let's find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Al, are you there?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's a facts from somebody that I want to read, and then I want to follow it.
		Dear Art, please ask Mr. Taylor if in his travels he's observed or gained knowledge of things relating to what I call, Art Bell calls, the quickening.
		We've had a lot of people on this program in the past talk about earth changes, disasters, things that are yet to come, and that there may be a future of rather immediate disruption, Al, some pretty awful things coming.
		And you said it was the single warning that you give people, if you travel to the future, you may see something you don't like at all.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be disturbing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so since you have done this so carefully, what can you, if you can, tell us about what is to come?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		See, that I haven't done as far as what I did see had to do with my life.
		And, you know, I belong to the International Association of Near-Death Studies, like I mentioned before, which is IANS.
		And if you've read a lot of books by the people, Betty Eady, Kimberly Clark Sharp, Hushi Hanta, and a few other people, you'll read that a lot of people have near-death and then come back psychic.
		And the out-of-body experiences I've had aren't quite like that.
		But see, what I noticed is that a lot of these people dwell on doom and gloom.
		And they predict all these catastrophes and things like that.
		And me personally, I don't see any reason to tell a person that horrible things are going to happen unless you can do something about it.
		I'm not into predicting doom and gloom.
		I do say that we need to be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but see, that sounds a little like you know these things, and your attitude is, why tell people and put them in a state of depression?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you say anything unless there was something you could do about it?
		It's like, if I know you're going to die tomorrow, why would I tell you that?
		Unless you could prevent it.
		Otherwise, I'm just going to instill fear and you're going to have to live the next 24 hours in fear.
		Why would I do that to you?
		I wouldn't do that to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I read between the lines of that answer and I don't have to read too hard, I'm not sure I like what I hear.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can say this.
		I know, I mean, it doesn't take a psychic person to realize what we're doing to the environment and to our world and our planet and things like that.
		And we need to clean up our act in a lot of ways.
		And a lot of it is environmental and how we treat Mother Earth.
		So I can tell you, if we progress on the path that we've gone, it's inevitable that something disastrous is going to occur.
		But I have not seen this psychically, because like I said, all the experiences I've seen in the future, and I don't want to do that anymore.
		I don't do that because I don't want to do that to myself.
		But what I can say is that, you know, psychically, what I did see had to do with my own personal life, which actually manifested, and I had to deal with it.
		So having to deal with it, which was very difficult for me, that's why I tell people, just be prepared because you may not see what's going to happen in Russia.
		You may see what's going to happen right in your own home.
		That's harder to deal with than what may be happening over on the other side of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's keep it close to home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you view your own death?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say yes.
		You could.
		I don't think there are any limitations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Would I view my own death?
		You know, I'm not afraid of death, so that really doesn't bother me.
		I just don't want to die in a horrible way because I know that death is just a transition.
		I know that I will be consciously awake and aware, even more so than I am now.
		So that doesn't scare me as far as death is concerned.
		I don't want to be mutilated and dying in a horrible crime.
		But it doesn't scare me at all.
		As a matter of fact, I was sitting in an IAMS meeting recently, and there were a bunch of, you know, these people who've had near-death experience who were psychic, and they were saying there's going to be volcanic eruptions, there's going to be tidal waves, earthquakes, and all that.
		And I raised my hand, and I said, excuse me, can I say something?
		And they said, sure, Al.
		And I said, you know, the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to us is that we all end up in a permanent out-of-body state.
		And that's not really that bad.
		So that's how I look at it.
		It doesn't matter what happens, you're still going to survive it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I do understand what you're saying, but there are a lot of people out there who nevertheless will look at it in a different way.
		In not as quite an esoteric manner.
		Well, they don't have the knowledge you have right now.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's fear of the unknown.
		They think death is final.
		I'm not going to be able to think after death.
		I'm not going to exist.
		If you don't believe in spirit, you think that it's over.
		I won't be able to experience life anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in a lot of ways, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me challenge that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It depends on if you believe in reincarnation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, right, exactly.
		That's where I'm going.
		Let us say that reincarnation, for the sake of the following discussion, is an absolute fact, all right?
		Let us say that I have lived before.
		I have no conscious recollection of living before.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that which came before me is, in essence, dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If the consciousnesses that came prior to me are not able to manifest themselves and think consciously or be aware, I don't know how we define what that is, I'm aware, then those prior lives are...
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I'm not.
		No, no, I wouldn't say of no use because, you know, I understand karma, but they are not conscious in the sense that we experience consciousness now.
		Certainly, I have no conscious recollection of memories from a prior life.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that's without doing anything.
		But there are past life regressions and hypnotherapy that you can draw up these memories.
		I know.
		And these things are there.
		And this is what I tell people.
		How many times have you had a dream where you didn't remember until days after you actually had the dream because something happened that day?
		And then all of a sudden it came and you said, I dreamt about this.
		Well, first of all, that memory of that dream was somewhere.
		You didn't have conscious recall of it, but it was there.
		So something triggered it.
		Just like if you really think and you do hypnosis or meditation or things like that, you can trigger these memories.
		And to me, like I said, I didn't believe any of this until it actually happened.
		And then I was astounded at the actual capability to recall memories that Albert Taylor has never experienced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where have you gone?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Where have I gone as far as memories or aggression?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As far as out-of-body is concerned.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Well, beyond the physical, while flying around, this was something that's really interesting that happened.
		I felt drawn to this, and I will call it a state of consciousness rather than a place, because it's really a state of consciousness, where I felt pulled there.
		So after I arrived at this place, and I call it a meeting place because I have no other name for it, and I would say there were a multitude of beings, entities.
		I didn't know exactly what they were.
		My aunt passed away in Cedar Cyanai Hospital of cancer in 1982.
		I saw this being, entity, whatever you want to call it, that resembled my aunt dramatically.
		And I doubted it.
		I disbelieved.
		I just thought, this can't be her.
		She died.
		I was a pallbearer at her funeral.
		But I could not deny that this person, if anybody looked like her and felt like her, it was her.
		And I panicked.
		I thought, I got to get out of here.
		So I left.
		The same feeling happened, this same occurrence happened two days later where I was drawn to the same location.
		I saw the same entity, but this time the entity approached me.
		And through sharing, and see, you don't talk to each other, you share thought forms.
		And through sharing these thought forms and consciousness, I began to understand, first of all, I identified her immediately.
		And another thing that happened is that I've been afraid of spirits all my life.
		I'd say I'm a product of Hollywood.
		So I've seen every horror movie there possibly could exist.
		But through sharing this experience with my aunt, as a deceased entity or whatever, it calmed my fear.
		And I suddenly identified more with who she was, what was happening to her.
		And I realized that I'm not very different from her, except I have a place to go back to.
		I have a body.
		But in essence, when I die or when I'm in that state, I'm just like her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's one for you to explain.
		The other night on my program, a lady called with a very vivid, very horrible story.
		And the person sending the facts right now is reflecting on that.
		This lady was attacked.
		She was attacked in her bed, paralyzed in a state of paralyzation.
		That's the correct word.
		She was certainly paralyzed.
		And she was attacked by an entity that tried to rape her.
		She was actually in bed with her children when this occurred.
		I mean, there's a very graphic description.
		And this person writes, Al, I've had many nights of body paralysis.
		Like you, I'm scared out of my wits when I have them.
		Now I may be a little calmer, I hope, listening to you.
		Just a few nights ago, a lady called your show, my show, said she was in her bed with her children, was attacked by something that climbed upon her.
		Do you think this could have been someone having an OBE and seeking sexual pleasure?
		Or was this demonic?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I don't believe in demons.
		But yes, to your first question, it could have been.
		Because you can do that.
		You can come, matter of fact, you can come to, first of all, you can go to anyone's bedroom, and you can actually pull them out of body where they actually feel you tugging on them, and you can cause them to have an OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an invasion of privacy.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it can be.
		It can be, yes, exactly.
		But, you know, hopefully people won't do that.
		But yes, there aren't any limitations, but you can actually do that.
		So you can go to another person's.
		If you have the capability of traveling OBE, you can go to anyone's house and you can interact with them while they're in the dream state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then there is as negative a side to OBE as there is a positive side, isn't there?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, only because we as humans have a negative side to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course we do.
		But I am surprised to hear you say that.
		So you could literally do what this entity did to this lady if you were so inclined.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If you had the capability of traveling OBE, yes, you could.
		But I would say out of all the people that I know who have done, who have the capabilities, because I'm definitely not alone, they aren't focused in that direction at all.
		And this is something that I tell people, when you're out of body, you don't think the same as we do now.
		You don't think about the carnal things and material things like you would now.
		You're thinking a little bit higher, having a little bit higher awareness and consciousness of what you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, somebody must have been thinking that way because this is not the only report of this kind of thing occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By and by.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I read the book Entity also some time ago about the Carlotta Moran experience.
		Yes.
		Which was horrifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I really felt for her.
		I don't understand what that particular entity was.
		I would say that that was definitely not an astral traveler.
		That appeared to be something else.
		And I haven't had an experience with that type of energy or person or entity.
		But this is something that I found out, is that when you're OBE, and even when you're not, you're capable of creating thought forms.
		And as a matter of fact, if you think about something like, say, a lion or a devil or something like that, you can experience that while OBE.
		But it doesn't mean that it's a separate thing that's coming to attack you.
		You may have created it through your own fears.
		And you can experience it.
		If you visualize a lion and it bites you while OBE, you will feel the pain only because it's a mental thing that you've accepted.
		So you can have these experiences, but over practice, over a period of time, you've begun to understand that how you create things.
		And you can, once you understand how you create these experiences, you can control them and not create them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then is it not possible, if you were to have such an OBE experience, that it could produce psychological damage?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd say anything that is unknown, frightening, terrifying, that type of thing could, to some people, because we're all different, could possibly affect you in the physical or psychologically.
		But like I said, I've been out hundreds of times, and I know a lot of people have, and I teach it all the time, and I talk about creating these things.
		And I talk about your own fears are what you really have to overcome, because your own fears are creating negative situations, sometimes create negative situations for you.
		And what I tell people is once you start understanding this, you can have what I call a contamination-free out-of-body experience.
		That way you're not introducing all these thought forms and negative things into your experience.
		And you can have a wonderful out-of-body experience with not only just flying around, if that's what you want to do, but with angelic beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like the idea of flying around.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like that a lot.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Like I said, you're so enthusiastic about the capability of flying.
		You're not thinking about the material stuff like going to spy on Russia to see what kind of secret documents they have in their files or going to sneak into somebody's bedroom to see what they're doing.
		You're not thinking about that at all.
		You could if you really want to focus on that, but because you're so enthusiastic about flying, it's like buying a new car.
		You're going to drive the car all over the place.
		You're not going to want to stop and go shopping.
		You're going to want to drive because you're so enthusiastic about having the new car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So that's kind of how it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When we come back from the top of the hour, I'm going to open the phone lines, which have been blazing away since the instant we began, but I felt like we had to get a good grounding here to understand what we're talking about.
		Can you do this anytime now that you want to?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Eight out of ten times.
		I've been pretty much successful.
		And even sometimes in one night, I've been able to have leave the body three times in one night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd say eight out of ten times.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's about my best average.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you been off-planet?
unidentified		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		And I describe it in my book.
		And, like I said, there's no limitations.
		You can go up into space if you want, like Shirley McLean did in her movie, at the end of her movie, Out on a Limb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
		Yes, I recall that.
		I recall the silver cord?
		The silver cord, yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Some people experience the silver cord, and some people don't.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But I do have a theory about what the silver cord is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And see, I've looked for mine.
		I have not seen it.
		But I kind of think of it as like leaving breadcrumbs so you kind of know how to follow it back to your body in case you're a little fearful.
		So it's kind of like a security blanket, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you apparently don't need it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't need it.
		And as a matter of fact, you don't need the astral body.
		See, Robert Monroe slipped out of the second body, and I have too.
		And you can exist, and you can exist as a pinpoint of consciousness or in your light body, which is your natural state.
		You don't need the astral form.
		But see, if you went from a physical reality to a non-physical reality, like a pinpoint of consciousness, you'd be so disoriented, you probably would panic.
		So the astral form is like a security blanket in itself because you feel like you're normal.
		You feel like you have hands.
		You feel like you have feet, a torso.
		So it doesn't feel that odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know, normally we'd say don't try this at home.
		I think we're saying now this is something you can try at home.
		Could somebody from listening to you tonight, somebody who's been having sleep paralysis, after hearing what you had to say and will say, could they try it based on that motivation?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, definitely.
		Definitely.
		My mother did it.
		She's at 74 years old.
		She did it and had a wonderful experience with her guardian angel.
		That's what she calls it.
		And she's still very, very enthusiastic about it.
		And she's lived her whole life with this paralysis, dreading it up until four years ago.
unidentified		Now she loves it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So yes, if someone goes to sleep tonight and they find themselves in the paralysis, if you can remember not to panic and if you can remember not to try to fight your way out of it and let go and just relax and think about floating upward, I'd say 99% of the time you will have a wonderful eye-opening experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will it begin the moment you consciously say, all right, I'm going to go with it.
		I want to come up and I want to go out of my body.
		Is that when it will begin or is there a further period of kind of panicked, hard to breathe, paralyzed state you've got to go through before it begins?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, with practice, you can reduce that time period of that paralysis down to almost nothing.
		But it takes a little bit of practice.
		Some people are, I don't want to use the word gifted, but some people are more capable of transitioning that little period of time.
		I'd say that with a little bit of practice, you may not even feel the paralysis at all.
		Your body may drift off to sleep and you may start rising out of body right away.
		That happens to me now where I virtually don't feel the paralysis at all.
unidentified		Let me give this advice to whoever hold the advice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold the advice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the top there.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
		I hear the drums echoing tonight.
		She has only whispers of some quiet conversation.
		She's coming in 1230 flights.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Good to be here.
		Great to be here, Impact, and we have a special show underway.
		In answer to nights and nights and nights of questions from my audience about sleep paralysis, I have found Albert Taylor.
		He has written a book called Soul Traveler.
		From a very early age, he had death-like night paralysis.
		Sleep paralysis.
		This is a man who worked on the stealth F-117 project, a man who worked on SDI, a scientist, a man who began to research what was happening to him from childhood and now has found that it was the key, is the key, to what's called OBE, or out-of-body travel, spirit travel, whatever you want to call it.
		An interesting background, a fascinating man, a fascinating topic.
		Many, many of you experiencing it.
		We're going to go to the lines.
		We've done two hours of setup.
		If you're just joining the show, you'll have to kind of hang in there with us.
		And we'll get back to Albert Taylor in a moment.
unidentified		Albert Taylor in a moment.
		Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you would like to see more about Albert Taylor and about Soul Travel and about his book, Soul Traveler, you can go to my website, and we've got an immediate link to jump over to his.
		If you are a computer type, simply go up to my website at www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell.com.
		If you would like to get Mr. Taylor's book, you are not an easy guy to get hold of, and I really have been trying very, very hard to find somebody of your caliber to talk on this subject.
		It's not easy, and I was sort of panicked over the last few days getting all these calls, and I'm not an expert in this area.
		You are, and I've already learned a very great deal.
		Let's take some calls and see what people have to say, all right?
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Hi, I'm Kayla from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Minneapolis, all right.
unidentified		And about six years, five or six years ago, something similar to what you're talking about happened to me.
		And for many years, up until now, I thought it was like a demonic possession or something.
		It was very terrifying and traumatic for me.
		And it was very late at night, and I was wide awake, just dying to get to sleep.
		And I felt this I closed my eyes for a moment, and I felt this immense pressure, like I was being smothered, or like there was a weight on me, but it wasn't physical, it was just no physical touch, but I could feel the pressure.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I could feel my body gasping for air.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I didn't hear any noise.
		I didn't hear the buzzing that you're talking about.
		I all I remember is just definitely struggling to try to come to and gather myself.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, that's what I spoke about earlier.
		And some people nickname that experience the heavies.
		And I mentioned that, you know, not everyone's going to get all of the symptoms.
		Not everyone's going to feel the vibes.
		Not everyone's going to hear the roaring.
		Not everyone's going to feel the falling back through the bed or the heaviness.
		But any one of those is a great indication that you're having these experiences.
		Some people travel out of body and never even experience the paralysis, like the gentleman who studied in Tibet was saying.
		But do know this, that you definitely, if you can say yes or yes to one or two or three of the questions that I've asked the people, know that you are having these experiences and embrace it.
		It's a wonderful thing and feel lucky about it.
unidentified		It's so terrifying.
unidentified		I mean, my whole life I've been so interested in the OBE thing and all kinds of psychic phenomenon and the whole world of the sixth sense.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can say this, to quote someone very famous, the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with this young lady.
		I'm scared to death of it.
		And how do you get over that hump?
		It's easy to sit here and just talk about, but boy, when that moment comes, it's a terrifying thing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I like to tell my little kitten story for those of you who are cat lovers out there.
		It's just like this.
		It's like when you bring a cat home from the pound or something like that, and you let it loose in your house, and it runs around your house, and it finally gets very used to being indoors.
		But one day you have to go out to the curb to wait for the UPS man, and you leave the door open, and you go out there to the curb.
		You know cats how curious they are.
		They're going to come to the door and they're going to look out the door and think, wow, this is a whole new world out there I didn't know anything about.
		But when the UPS man drives up, the rumbling of the truck, it's going to frighten the cat because it's not familiar with it and it's going to run back in.
		But eventually it's going to come right back to the door and look outside and realize, well, there's no threat now.
		Nothing's hurt me.
		And it's going to step out into the porch and eventually it's going to step out into the shrubbery near the door.
		And after a few days of doing this, the cat is going to be down the street and you won't be able to find it.
		And that's exactly what we do.
		The more and more I would come to the door, sometimes I'd hear the rumbling.
		Sometimes I'd see something and I'd panic and run back in.
		But then I'd realize nothing happened to me.
		So I'd go further and further.
		And the further I would go, the more I would understand, and the more confidence I would build.
		So it allowed me to even go even further.
		So just take it a little bit at a time.
		You don't have to run into it.
		And if you feel fear, it's perfectly normal because it's fear of the unknown.
		But realize that you are safe.
		Nothing is going to happen to you.
		You're not going to die.
		You're not going to be tortured by some demonic beings.
		You are okay.
		It's okay.
unidentified		I just want to know that I'm not going to have to wake up every night and make a pot of coffee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just stay out from under the UPS wheels.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		That was a good call.
		On the first time, caller line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Al Taylor.
		This is Peter from San Francisco.
		Hello, Peter.
		Not unlike you, I had been fighting this thing since I was a child in the 50s.
		So, Art, this is not a new phenomenon.
		Right.
		About 15 years ago, after seeing my only, one and only UFO, I had always fought the paralysis.
		One night, this was within about a week, I saw some sort of a weird probe.
		It looked like a small satellite in my room.
		I turned the lights on, it went away.
		About a week later, it was the first attack of sleep paralysis maybe in a number of years at that time.
		I will swear something was trying to pull me out of my body through the headboard, and I could actually feel myself being pulled.
		I had to fight for like what seemed an eternity, like five minutes.
		And there was this, unlike the buzzing, I had heard the buzzing noises before, but this was making a sound like a loose fan belt.
		It was kind of a noise.
		It was a strange noise.
		And it felt like I was fighting for my life.
		And under those conditions, I have to say, like art feels, if I was going to let go, I felt I was never coming back.
		I'll take my call answer off the air.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you one quick question before you leave.
		when you felt something pulling on you was it like a fourth or did you feel like a hand uh...
		Did you feel like a force pulling you, like gravity type of thing?
		Reverse gravity or something?
		Or did you feel like a person was pulling on you?
unidentified		You know, it's very hard to say now.
		It's been a long time.
		I got the feeling that I could almost see something dark behind me, like it was a dark entity.
		It was tremendous force.
		I have definitely over the years, I've always fought it since a child.
		I always fought it, and I always knew that I could feel that floating sensation, and you jump almost back into the body.
		I could tell the difference between floating and being somehow pulled.
		Pulled.
		A horse, an arm, a hand, claws, a thing with black wings.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, whatever it was, he can't define it, obviously.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But he was being pulled by something, some force.
		It was not just sort of a drifting out of body type deal.
		Something was trying to yank him out.
		Now, what about that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, listening to him, you know, and see, I hear a lot of people describe their experiences, and a lot of times they will say something like, like the caller just said, a dark force.
		And see, see, I'm a researcher, and I'm a middle-of-the-road person, and from what I heard from him, there's really no indication that it's a negative thing.
		He may have perceived it that way.
		I am.
		And that's okay if that's the way you want to perceive it.
		But because we're talking about perception, you could also perceive it as a positive thing.
		Just because you Don't know what it is, doesn't necessarily mean that it's something dark or negative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fear of the unknown.
unidentified		It's very positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fear of the unknown.
		Yes, exactly.
		But should you feel that you're being yanked and tugged and pulled, is that the feeling that should manifest?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, it happens.
		It happened to me all the time.
		Matter of fact, I dreaded it because I didn't know what was going on.
		My guides were pulling on me, trying to get me out.
		See, they do this to us every night, but only a few of us remember it.
		He just happened to be conscious of it.
		Now, there are probably dozens and dozens of times that he had that same experience where he was being pulled that he doesn't recall.
		So it's not really that abnormal.
		It's just he happened to be very conscious of the experience at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Jared from Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Jared.
unidentified		Hello.
		I had an episode of sleep paralysis last night, as a matter of fact.
		And I was laying on my side, and I was totally conscious through all of this because I was watching the clock radio, digital clock next to my bed.
		I was timing how long this was going to last because it was the first time I was actually conscious through something like that.
		And my first response was to fight it, to try to move my body, to try to jump out of bed so it would go away.
		The more I tried, the harder it was.
		And so I finally decided to let go and to see what would happen.
		As soon as I said, okay, I'm going to let go.
		As soon as I let go, I started, I was hearing this noise, very loud noise, like somebody was spraying a water hose onto the side of a tin barn almost.
		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Horrific noise.
unidentified		Oh, it was awful, and it kept getting louder and louder the more I got sucked into it, so to speak.
		I got this really odd sensation that my body was vibrating, and I began to feel this sense of levitation.
		The experience got so bizarre that immediately, as soon as I felt the levitation, I began to fight it.
		All of a sudden, I started fighting it because I had to get out of this.
		It was so weird.
		It was very foreign to me.
		I started fighting and fighting.
		And finally, I snapped out of it and I jumped out of bed, turned all the lights on, and started calling people.
		And I called a friend of mine who has petite maw epilepsy, and he was telling me that things like that happen to him all the time.
		But what my question is, if you let yourself go into the levitation and what have you, can you get so enthralled into that?
		I mean, can you get so enthralled into it to where you don't want to go back into your body or to where you just don't ever go back into your body?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, no, no.
		See, the body has like an automatic recall kind of mechanism.
		If you're out for a while, you'll start feeling drawn back, like pulled back, and it's very difficult to fight.
		And eventually you'll just almost literally be kind of slammed or sucked back in.
		So you can try to stay out.
		After a period of time, the body starts to recall you.
unidentified		Yeah, my main fear was that if I kept going and going and going, I didn't know where I was going to go, actually.
		I felt like if I kept letting myself go, that I could have maybe never have gone back into my body.
		And so that's why I automatically started fighting it again.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, one thing that I have found is that, and this is another warning that I give people, and I don't give many, just a couple, is that while out of body, if you experienced a higher consciousness of who you are, all of a sudden, I mentioned that earlier, that all of a sudden I realized that that was my home.
		That was my natural state.
		And when I came back to the body, I have to tell you how it is now, I'm permanently homesick.
		I always think about it because it's a wonderful feeling.
		So that may be something you may have to deal with.
		It's just the euphoria feeling or the wonderful lightness and well-being that you feel while out of body, you almost crave it.
		That's about the only warning I would say.
		But you don't have to worry about not being able to return or being drawn away by something beyond something supernatural that keeps you from returning.
		You don't have to worry about that at all.
		In fact, the best thing to do is try to get rid of all your fears.
		Lord is a very natural part of our existence, and it's a very wonderful thing.
unidentified		I was absolutely afraid to go back to sleep last night.
		As a matter of fact, I stayed up all morning and slept through all of my classes.
		But yeah, I stayed up all night.
		But after listening to the show so far, it's a bit comforting.
		And I think I will go to sleep tonight.
		And I'm almost looking forward to it happening again just so that I have the opportunity to let myself go further than I did last night.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, after a while, you will look forward.
		You will look for the paralysis.
		You will want to have it because it's a wonderful, wonderful thing.
		But this is, let me, I wanted to say something before we broke last break, Art.
unidentified		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that was about, see, a lot of people have this paralysis and not everybody wants to have an OBE.
		Some people just want to get out of the paralysis.
		I have a cousin who I found, I was searching for people who were having paralysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good, good, good.
		Let me try that angle.
		Suppose I'm, I like that.
		Suppose I'm having paralysis and I want out.
		How do I come out?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and that's what I was going to share.
		My cousin, I sat for hours and explained to her, wow, you can be off on your own jaunts flying around and all that.
		And she looked at me and she said, why would I want to do that?
		She says, I just want to connect and get out of the paralysis.
		So this is what I tell people.
		If you find yourself in the paralysis and you dread it and you want to get out of it, first of all, just relax, calm down.
		There's nothing going to happen.
		But think about moving apart, a small part of your body.
		Don't try to move everything.
		Just think about maybe your hand, your little finger, your foot.
		Just think about moving that.
unidentified		Is it usually enough to help you reconnect?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A reconnection with the physical.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		That is just a small part.
unidentified		Not a big part.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that is usually enough to help you reconnect.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And a matter of fact, the more and more you practice it, you'll get so good at reconnecting, it won't be a problem or an issue at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good advice.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Taylor.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Brent in Fort Mars, Florida.
		I work in the Sleep Disorder Center, and we have our patients fill out a very detailed questionnaire and I'm always impressed by the number of people that say uh they experience sleep paralysis.
		Uh also I was wondering has there any been any studies done to correlate uh REM sleep with out-of-body experiences?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Um the Monroe Institute is as I say they have done about the most extensive uh research that I can think of regarding altered states of consciousness because that's basically what we're talking about.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Um if you wanted to they they have uh I believe there's website information or you can write to the Monroe Institute if you want to to explore that early area.
unidentified		It's a good book.
		Okay.
		Appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What about you said it is an altered state of consciousness.
		What about sensory deprivation?
		What can you tell me about that?
unidentified		Is it meaning like chambers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That's right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That will help you.
		Some people, see there's numerous ways to achieve an autobiography.
		Not everybody is going to go to sleep at night and have an OBE.
		See there's OBE in that state.
		You know, and this is what's kind of remarkable, Art, is that even joggers who've jogged in the LA Marathon, while jogging, they get into this pattern, this rhythm.
		And some of the joggers have reported all of a sudden floating above their bodies, watching themselves run.
		That's called a spontaneous out-of-body experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, that's my kind of OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I've got to run, I want to float.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if that doesn't tell you that you are not your body, I don't know what will.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If it's moving by itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to get very serious for a moment.
		You mentioned something a little earlier about healing.
		My wife is presently sitting in the other room with a fairly serious asthmatic attack.
		She's an asthmatic.
		Can that be helped?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Without being specific and saying asthma, I can share this with you.
		Five years ago, I was diagnosed.
		I had a major attack of multiple sclerosis.
		And I had two major attacks and it landed me in the hospital.
		The prognosis was very bad.
		I was supposed to have equilibrium problems.
		I wasn't able to even ride a bike, let alone drive a car.
		I had eye jitters, double vision, and through MRIs, I had damage to the occipital lobe.
		And my doctor said that eventually I would end up in a wheelchair.
		I don't hype on this as much because everybody is different, but I can say this.
		While out of body, you have incredible capabilities.
		I mean, you have to find out what you are, but you have the capability to send healing energy to your body.
		And I would say this, now, whatever way you want to explain it, here it is five years later, absolutely no eye jitter, absolutely no equilibrium problems.
		I am not in a wheelchair.
		I drive fine, and I haven't had any repeat attacks of MS whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you do it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Just, you know, when you're out of body, you're floating out of body, you send healing energy.
		You think, I want to heal this body, and you think of sending healing energy to your body.
		And that is the way it manifested in my life.
		And I don't regret it.
		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you thought yourself well?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		And I didn't even know it would work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been back for a while.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But tell you the truth, I had nothing to lose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With that diagnosis, of course you did not.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Nothing at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Al.
		Bottom of the hour.
		Stay right there.
		We'll be right back.
		We're talking about OBE's out-of-body experiences, which are what follows sleep paralysis, which is what we've been talking about for days.
		This is a man who knows.
		He's Al Taylor.
		He'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26.
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		I see trees of green, red roses, too.
		I see them blue spot in you, and I think to myself, What a wonderful world I see skies of blue and clouds of white,
		the bright, blessed day, the dogs say goodnight, and I think to myself, What a wonderful world.
		Thank you.
		The colors of the rain.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Ark Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 25th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There may be more to this world.
unidentified		I see friends shaking it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Than is immediately obvious.
		That's what we're talking about this morning.
		My guest is Al Taylor.
unidentified		I am very strong.
		I watch them grow.
		There are much more than I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you stick around, you too may learn something this morning.
		His book is Soul Traveler.
		It's the result of what begins as sleep paralysis.
		We'll get back to it in a moment.
unidentified		fascinating topic.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Al Taylor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Al, are you there?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I want to touch on something you sort of touched on a moment ago, then we'll go right back to the lines, and that is this apparently, once you, if you're able to give in and begin to do it, is such a joyful experience.
		Is there some little danger that you'll get out there and won't want to come back?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say yes, you would not want to come back because it's like going to Disneyland and all of a sudden, you know, you have to leave.
		You still have a lot of more rides you want to get on.
		It is that.
		It's so much fun, but be aware that you can do it again and again.
		I'm still having consciously controlled OBEs, and that's what my second book is going to be about, is my continuing travels.
		So, you know, you don't have to cram it all in one thing or think, I got to do it now.
		You can continue to have these experiences throughout your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no matter what, and this is a big sort of safety net for a lot of people, you are not going to ever get stuck in astral space.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you'll be recalled no matter how long you want to stay out.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You eventually will be recalled, and you might come back so fast that you may feel like as if you've dropped from the ceiling or been slammed into your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, people who are in comas, where are they?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question, you know, and I would say that the majority of people probably are OBE.
		Because once the body gets into the relaxed state, you're at a fork in the road.
		You can do pretty much whatever you want to do, or you may just start floating upward and not want to.
		That has happened to me numerous times, and that's what happened in the beginning when I didn't know what I was doing.
		I would just float upward without trying to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody with a physical malady.
		Al, about three years ago, went to my room, took a two-hour nap.
		When I woke up, my whole right side, the whole right side of my torso was paralyzed.
		Doctors have no idea why.
		Today, I'm about 90% back to normal.
		Any thoughts?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		See, then, that to me doesn't sound like the paralysis that I'm talking about.
unidentified		This doesn't sound like a malady.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Because the paralysis that I'm talking about, all it takes is for someone to touch you or a loud noise or for you, like I said, to concentrate on moving a small part of your body to completely 100% reconnect.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If you are awake and you've had this paralysis and you wake up and you're still partially paralyzed, I would say that's definitely or more of a medical problem.
unidentified		I'm not a doctor.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It definitely doesn't sound like the paralysis I'm referring to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a young lady in Los Angeles who wants to know.
		She says, ask Albert about the possible meaning of that loud shrieking sound that usually occurs in my head during this sleep paralysis.
		What is that sound?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if it's a loud shrieking sound, see, generally, it manifests in a high-pitched sound or a roaring of the wind or a roaring sound or a water sound or a musical note or the buzzing.
		And this is what's interesting, and it goes into a lot of detail, is that when you achieve that ultrastate or disconnect from the physical, you are very aware of people's thoughts.
		And if you think about if every, if you had 100 people in a room and they were all talking at the same time, it would be this horrific noise that you would not be able to understand.
		And a lot of times, Robert Monroe, I think he called it the in-band noise.
		A lot of times you hear thoughts.
		I mean, and it can be incredible and loud.
		I think that's pretty much possibly what the person may be experiencing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Peter from Lakewood.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Peter.
unidentified		And I'm taking a little bit different bent than you are.
		I was a Catholic monk trained in Tibetan meditation for many years.
		I'm no longer religious, but I come from basically religious and now into the scientific.
		So I'm kind of looking at it differently.
		We were trained that there is no physical paralysis.
		If you can, you've heard of that phrase, mind over matter.
		Well, we were trained soul over mind over matter.
		And the word that you used, this reconnection, we were taught that that's exactly what it is, but I think you're looking at it from a scientific perspective in that when you are in a relaxed state,
		and I believe me, I agree with about 95% of everything you say, when you're in this relaxed state, whether it's at night or sleeping or through meditation, this soul comes out or you come into this soul state.
		And when you become conscious that you're in this soul state, you are, we're basically a physical being, and that's a mental and physical being, and you try to get your soul to control your physical, and you can't do it because that connection is not there.
		The soul cannot tell the physical body to move.
		So when you use the word paralysis, I think, you know, it's a catchy word, but it's a negative word in that you can't move, there's negativity there.
		Really, if you have this understanding that you're going into this soul state, then you don't have that fear.
		And that's what we were trained.
		And I'm a little bit nervous because I'm not used to talking on the phone.
		But can you see it a little bit from my perspective?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, your perspective is a more evolved understanding of the phenomenon.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But the average person that's out there and hasn't heard any of this, all they know is that they feel paralyzed.
unidentified		Exactly.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So to be able to talk to this person about the experience that they're having, I think paralysis seems to be a kind of a universal word that people understand.
unidentified		I agree.
unidentified		But I think that if you interject the I instead of an understanding that it's more of a soul state that they don't have to worry about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but you've got to understand, Carla, that we've got to use language that addresses the average person.
		They're sitting out there scared out of their wits about this.
		And so we're trying to speak their language.
unidentified		I agree.
unidentified		Just one other thing, too, about have you ever done anything about OBE, and I'm using your words, artwork?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's interesting that you would say that because I am an artist.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And if you see my book, I drew the cover of the book.
unidentified		Oh, I'm an awful lot.
unidentified		I'd like to buy that book.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And my portfolio, I'd say 50% of the artwork in my portfolio came to me in dreams and altered states.
unidentified		Interesting.
		Well, the reason I brought that up is that, you know, as I said, mind over over, excuse me, soul over mind over matter.
		We were taught that when you get, through meditation, when you get to this state of soul, of that we had priceless pieces of artwork at the Abbey where I was.
		And as you probably know, being an artist, when you draw something, you as an artist are taking the essence like out of a tree and you're mixing it with your soul.
		And then you're putting the essence of the tree, your interpretation of the essence of the tree, and your soul on the canvas.
		And so that's there forever, your soul and the essence of the tree on there.
		Well, we were taught how to go out of this, in this altered state, to the soul state of ourselves, and then go into the artwork to join with the soul of the artist and the essence of the tree.
		And I was wondering, have you done any of that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I didn't know that's what I was doing, but I would say it came so naturally that I didn't have to think about it.
		I just would get these visions and pictures in my head of scenes, and I would just feel compelled to draw them.
		I drew the cover at work at one of the major aerospace companies in Southern California.
		It came to me right in the middle of doing something that was related to my job, and I had to stop everything I was doing and draw the cover of the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's put off this National Defense SDI stuff for a while and draw a cover for a book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I felt compelled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		Here's something for you, and tell me what this was.
		When I was, let's say, just many years ago now, I worked in the cable industry.
		And one day I was up on a pole, you know, pole.
		We have cable on poles.
		And I did what we called I burned a pole, which means I fell off a pole.
		I came down on my butt and my elbow, and I impacted L4 and L5, and I hurt my back seriously.
		I spent about, well, at one period of a month on my back.
		And this is going to sound strange, but when you're, when you get tired of watching TV, you get tired of doing what can be done from your back.
		So I used to lie there and look at the speckles on the ceiling.
		And you know what a speckled ceiling is like.
		And I would sit there concentrating and examining these stupid speckles on the ceiling.
		And I would begin to feel I could actually begin to feel the beginning of an altered state.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Looking at these dumb spackles.
		And I would snap myself out of it.
		But that was not during sleep.
		It wasn't paralyzed.
		I wasn't paralyzed.
		But I began to feel the beginning of an altered state.
		What was I doing?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, basically, Art, when you begin to meditate and achieve an altered state, what you're doing is you're quieting the mind.
		And when you quiet the mind, it is helpful to focus in on one specific thing.
		And that's what you were doing.
		You were looking at this possibly one or two bumps on the ceiling.
		I tell people that you can also do the same thing and have something manifest where you have an actual experience by focusing on maybe the number one or a triangle or a square or a circle, just something very, very simple.
		Because like I said, when you quiet the mind, you do have these ultrastates or these experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Al.
		Good morning, show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Saugus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saugus.
unidentified		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		California, all right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Art, first, regarding your wife, I read on a journal several years ago that that type of asthma can be cured or helped with hypnosis.
		If you find a licensed hypnotist, they could maybe help your wife's allergies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another altered state, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes, sir, it is, and it works.
		In my opinion, and I agree with everything that Al says, is that the out-of-body experience is a type of hypnosis.
		I mean, you are actually self-hypnotizing yourself to relax and then projecting yourself out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it that Al a type of self-hypnosis?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say yes.
		Yes.
		And if you think about it, an ultra-state of consciousness is sort of a hypnotic trance or something.
		I would say yes, definitely.
		Something I want to mention, Art, because there's a lot of people out there who are having OBEs or are close to having them and aren't aware of the clues and symptoms.
		I want to mention a few things that people will maybe able to relate to.
		And I ask this in all my lectures that I do up and down the coast and into various places in the country.
		One of those is that if you fly in your dreams, whether you think you're really having a flying dream or not, that is a clue that you may be having an OBE or close to one.
		Another one is one of the callers mentioned vibration.
		See, Being in Southern California, all of us feel vibrations out here, but this is more like an oscillation where it's steady.
		And that's a clue.
		Another one is if you hear the loud noises as we spoke of, the buzzing or the roaring.
		Another one is the paralysis.
		And this is something that I wasn't aware of and scared me to death.
		Is if you hear your name being called.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know if I'd like that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's kind of scary.
		But a lot of people have heard their names being called right before drifting off to sleep or right in the morning when they're about to wake up.
		And this is the last one that may be a clue, is if you wake up twice.
		Now, that means you wake up, you think you're awake, and you may even go to the bathroom or walk around the house or fall out of the bed and then suddenly realize that you never did any of these things, that you were really sleeping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you wake up and you hear, ow, ow, Taylor, ow, ow, over here, Mr. Taylor over here.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, you know, it's kind of like that.
unidentified		Doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm out of here.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		People hear their names being called quite often because that's your guide calling you, or angel, whatever you want to call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's my guide, I'm not going.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, not God, guide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said guide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that's my guide, I'm not going.
unidentified		I want my guide to say something like, hey, Art, good to see you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Want to take a little trip?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're going to approach you in a way that it's least threatening.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So if that's what you want, that may be what you'll get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to that.
		Wild card line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hello?
unidentified		Is that who it is when I hear my name being called?
		As soon as he said that, wow, that is.
		I've had that happen a few times when I look around like, come on, where'd that come from?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Wow, that's really weird.
		Because I hear a roar like from an airplane.
		And I've had a lot of the symptoms that you have talked about, but the name thing, whoa, that just gave me chills.
		Anyway, I've been having these LBEs since I was about five years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, young lady?
unidentified		I'm Debbie from Udona Beach, California.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Debbie.
unidentified		Hi, Al.
		And the last, I had one about a year ago.
		And I guess some people would call them recurring dreams.
		And I've always had these since I was five years old.
		I guess they're the same thing.
		Would you say they were the same thing?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Reoccurring dreams?
unidentified		Yeah, an out-of-body experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
		Not necessarily.
		If you can go into more detail, maybe I can understand a little further.
unidentified		Well, I've had like six of these where I constantly, when I go to sleep, it's like a soap opera.
		It's a continuing thing.
		You know, I'll meet certain people and we'll hug.
		Or in this one dream, I meet this little boy who's in a hospital in a bed.
		And his brother's standing next to him.
		And we'll hug every time we meet.
		And they'll say, how come you haven't visited us for all this time?
		You know, why don't you come more often?
		And it's not like we're talking, but it's more like we're thinking to each other.
		And I remember telling them or thinking to them that it's hard to get to them all the time.
		And the little boy, he reached up the last time I had this.
		I think it's an out-of-body experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've never heard of a dream like that where they're expecting you or they've seen you before and they're welcoming you back.
unidentified		Yeah, I've had like six of these since I was five years old, and I still to this day keep having the same six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not like a normal dream, is it, Al?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, and then there are some possible explanations of what she may be experiencing.
unidentified		Okay, okay, well, let me finish.
		And so anyway, the last time that I had this one certain one where I see this little boy in the hospital, he put his hand on my chest, and I have in the past had a heart murmur, an extra heartbeat, I guess.
		And I've had EKGs to show this, and I've been on Atenolol, which is they treat the extra heartbeat and high blood pressure with this medication.
		Well, the little boy put his hand on my heart, and he said, I want your heart to be healed.
		And all of a sudden, I just shot up in bed, and ever since that day, I have not had my heart problem.
		And I immediately went off the medication, and I have never had that problem since.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
unidentified		It was so neat.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
unidentified		And I haven't been able to get back to him since, but I really want to go back and thank him.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
unidentified		Let me go in and share that with you and see what you thought about that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard some similar stories where people have gone and experienced things with a child or their mother or a dead aunt or whatever.
		Guides are there for you, but they don't always present themselves exactly as you would think.
		Like if they feel that they are a male entity or female, they may present themselves to you as a child so you feel less threatened, so you feel comfortable.
		And that happens quite often.
		And the fact that it manifested physically by healing you also tells me that it's possibly an angel kind of encounter or a guide type of thing.
		Or it could be someone who is that, you know, because I believe in reincarnation.
		It could be a soulmate of yours that is still on the other side, that is caring for you or loves you and is able to help you.
unidentified		Boy, that would be funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you'll get back there, ma'am.
		Al, how are you doing?
		You still awake?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Yeah, you do.
unidentified		You sound my favorite subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound awfully awake.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, in that case, let's have you stick around.
		The phones are going absolutely berserk, as is my fax machine.
		So stay right where you are.
		There is more to come.
		Al Taylor is my guest.
		Back holes on the wall.
		How about that?
unidentified		You're listening to our bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
		If I were walking in your shoes, I wouldn't worry none.
		While you and your friends are worried about me, I'm spouting lots of fun.
		Drouting flowers on the wall, that don't bother me at all.
		Playing solitaire till dawn, with a deck of 51.
		Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Danganron.
		Now don't tell me, I've nothing to do.
		Last night I dressed in a tail pretend that I was on the ground.
		As long as I can dream, it's hard to slug the swinger down.
		So please don't give a fuck in me, I'm really doing fine.
		You can always find me here and have it quite a time.
		Countless flowers.
		Radio Networks presents Ark Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 25th 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just kind of some nice traveling music, isn't it?
		Astral Travel, Travel on the Astral Plane, Soul Traveler is the name of my guest, guest book, Al Taylor.
		And he'll be back in a moment.
unidentified		The End Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Well, we're going to play a little hardball here, Al.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's the facts.
		I'll just read it to you as is.
		Art, while your guest is very interesting relating his experiences on OBE or about OBE, I feel he is not telling us about the dark side of this.
		When you have an OBE, your soul leaves your body.
		There are disembodied souls that are either lost or evil.
		And if you're not careful or don't know how to protect yourself, they will try to occupy your body while you are traveling.
		Please have Al tell us about this.
		John in Eagle River, Alaska.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		You know, I've heard that, but to me, seeing that I have done it so many times, I mean, not just once, not just twice, not even just 50 times, so many times, and none of those things, negative things have happened, I can only share with someone some experience that I've had.
		And I haven't had anyone try to take my body.
		I would say this, though, that all spirits you meet aren't forthright and all-knowing and angelic.
		Of course, they're going to have their human personalities and traits, and they may try to play games with you or something like that.
		But you've got to realize that you're no more defenseless.
		I mean, you're basically the same as they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's try this.
		Let's try this.
		Aside from somebody occupying your body like a burglar sneaking in when you're not home, can there be any harm done to you in the astral plane?
		In other words, let's say that you're traveling about and good old Saddam Hussein happens to be traveling about.
		Comical example or not so.
		And can you meet somebody with evil intent?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say you could meet evil, you know, you can use that word.
		I would say that maybe with intent that wasn't in your own best interest, but you have an up on them.
		The thing that they, especially if it's a deceased person or spirit, you can always return to the physical.
		They can't.
		And you're not that defenseless.
		If you really understand who and what you are and who and what they are, you'll realize that you're very much on equal ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you discern the difference between the deceased traveling about and other OBEs?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that's kind of interesting.
		And it's not something that I'll say, okay, you know, look for the red light on their forehead or something like that.
		It's not like that.
		You know things that you don't know in the physical.
		You're open to understanding and thoughtful forms and experiences that are almost indescribing.
		It's indescribable.
		It's very difficult to tell you how you get this knowing, but you do understand what is what, or at least you get an inkling of what is what.
		And through that knowing, I'd say, that will enable you to deal with the situation accordingly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not like they're wearing a little label.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know how to explain what that understanding is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in other words, in that plane.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You just have one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In that plane, you just know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you do have an understanding of what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Another thing, let me mention this real quick, Art, is you can access your higher self in an instant in that state.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So always, if you feel fearful, always ask for guidance from your higher self.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I do have a question about chemicals and several other questions, but I'm going to defer to callers.
		Somebody all the way from Honolulu, Hawaii.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Honolulu this morning?
unidentified		It is beautiful as always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Don't you guys ever get tired of that?
		I mean, unrelenting beauty.
unidentified		It's just terrible.
unidentified		I wake up and I see the mountains, and you smell the flowers, and every day it's just awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paradise, paradise, paradise.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Do you get tired of rubbing it in?
unidentified		Never, never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you're on the air with Al.
unidentified		Great.
		Good evening, gentlemen.
		I was so excited to turn on the show tonight and find out what the topic is.
		It's something that I've been experiencing since I was about 16 years old, and you can't really talk to your friends about it.
		You know, I've spoken to my husband several times, and sometimes he raises an eyebrow, and I've kind of cut that a little bit.
		But I've been having OBEs since I was about 16, like I said, a couple times a month, and I wasn't quite sure what to do with them, and sometimes you get scared, and I didn't know a lot about it.
		And I want to say to, I do have a couple questions, but I do want to tell people that many times I've had the dreaded paralysis also, scared the bejeebies out of me.
		And sometimes I'd go straight through, and sometimes I would just be caught in that paralysis.
		And I really didn't know how they were connected.
		And then I started reading about astral projection and trying to get some answers.
		And I read the most important thing.
		I read that when the paralysis happens, calm down.
		Instead of trying to fight it, and you get frantic and you want to wake up and you want to move something and it gets crazy, relax.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And you go right through.
		How do you do it, though?
		How do you do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking you both.
		How do you do that?
		I get to that stage, that frightening stage, and it's easy to mouth the words relax, but how do you do it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can say this.
		Before we spoke today or had this program, you didn't know much about it.
		Now you know a little bit more than you knew before.
		So the next time you experience it, I think you will react a little bit differently.
		Or even maybe the third or fourth time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I can trust you, how?
unidentified		Do you know how important that is, what you just said?
		I swear, it's like magic, okay?
		I tried to remember that before I went to bed, and I have them spontaneously so often.
		And you try to remember it, but you can't.
		You're too scared.
		And about six months ago, the first time, it was, like I said, just like magic.
		I was paralyzed, and someone was coming towards me.
		That happens sometimes.
		I was so damn scared.
		I was panicking.
		And all of a sudden, I remembered what I read.
		Just all of a sudden, I said, calm down.
		Just calm down.
		And in remembering it, all my faculties about me just remembered it.
		And I just went straight forward and came out the other side.
		It was the most exciting thing that I've experienced.
		I was so excited with all the possibilities.
		I was like, I'm here.
		I'm here.
		Oh, my God.
		I looked at my hands, and I saw myself, and I woke myself up.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
unidentified		And I've done that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I've done that.
		I've done that.
		Too much enthusiasm, too much excitement.
		That brings you back real quick.
unidentified		It sure does.
		It sure does.
		And now, like I said, this was about six months ago that I actually was to the point where I can control it, that I really could just calm myself down and go through.
		And one interesting thing, I've not had the paralysis since.
		And I don't know if that's that I just now maybe I just go through and sometimes when I go to sleep I try to concentrate and I actually feel myself going there and I get really excited then I go calm down calm down right and I just and I just slip right through and there I am when you feel excited your heart starts beating up oh yeah and that usually keeps you grounded yeah and then when you calm down then you release no no offense Al but no offense Al but if enthusiasm keeps you from getting airborne how do you ever travel?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well you have to find the balance from fear to excitement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're a very enthusiastic person about all of this.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It just took a lot of practice art.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Just coming to that door like that kitten, coming to the door, you know, being frightened, getting enthusiastic, being excited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a tap person.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That works for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a tap person.
		I can relate.
		Do you have a question, ma'am?
unidentified		Yes.
		Actually, one more comment is that the best time seems to be during light sleep for me when I wake up in the morning and I can doze off for just a few minutes.
		And it happens then or for a quick nap in the afternoon.
		I sometimes go in, lay down for a quick nap.
		I go right there, fly around for a while, come back.
		It's amazing.
		And one thing I wanted to ask, a couple quick questions, is I can do what I call being in both worlds.
		And is that unusual?
		I'll be flying, which is my favorite thing to do.
		It's just the most amazing thing.
		And I'll hear the trash truck out front.
		And I'm lying there while I'm flying, and I go, oh, and I curse the trash truck.
		And I say, please hurry up and leave.
		Do not wake me up.
		It's the most bizarre thing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, I mentioned that earlier on the show.
		You're not totally disconnected.
		You're very aware of the room, very aware of your breathing, the temperature, the sounds around your body.
		But yet you can be totally in another, your consciousness can be in a totally different location.
unidentified		Yeah, it's an amazing thing that the more I learn.
		But I want to ask about people and the spirit guides.
		How do I, I don't know enough about it.
		I'm trying to learn some about it.
		But are people, I've had so many experiences while I'm in the paralyzed state that there are people there and they scare me.
		I've had an old woman sitting there and several other people coming to me or standing there.
		And I get so frightened when I know they're there with the paralysis and I just get so, so scared that I try to get out of it and I do wake myself up.
		And as a matter of fact, some months ago, I got so scared at one point, I stopped myself from having them all together.
		And it was terrible.
		But since I've not experienced the paralysis, I've not had that happen.
		So my question is about other people.
		Who are they?
		And what are they doing in my room?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		They could be a multitude of people, deceased relatives, grandmothers, aunts, astral travelers, guides, angelic beings.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, is that even through your experiences, have you been harmed in any way?
unidentified		That's one thing that I wanted to say.
		As harmed as I've been through the paralysis, I've never felt the need to look back at my body.
		I've looked at my hands and looked to see that, yes, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question was, though, have you been harmed ever?
unidentified		I have never, ever, I've never had anybody do anything or threaten me in any way.
unidentified		Actually, I kind of tend to stay in my own little world.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And what are you afraid of?
unidentified		Not a darn thing I'm afraid of.
unidentified		Not a darn thing I've never felt.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Nothing has happened.
unidentified		I've never felt scared about it.
unidentified		I've never been there.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I've never lived in numerous times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, There you are.
		All right.
		Well, so thus far, and it's true, I have yet to talk to one person who has said they are harmed in any way.
		Listen, I let it slide a little earlier, and I think the fellow dropped off the line.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		We're going to talk about crystal quartz now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, chemicals in general.
		Chemicals produce altered states.
		Chemicals produce sleep disturbance.
		What do you say about chemicals?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is what I tell people.
		I believe that chemicals, illegal drugs and legal drugs like alcohol, things like that, inhibit or sometimes prevent you from having an out-of-body experience.
		Sometimes, but there are some drugs that people have claimed that they have had these experiences.
		But what I say is this is a very, very natural thing.
		And you don't want to do something that's possibly going to cause you some physical damage to your body.
		Because it's very easy to do it very naturally.
		And if you do it naturally, you can do it over and over again without worrying about any ramifications like being locked up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So just say I don't need it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, you don't need it.
		I stay away from it, leave it alone.
		You don't need it.
		You can do it naturally.
		Even alcohol prevents it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is back to the ground floor, but explain to this gentleman.
		I've got a facts.
		Is it possible to teach myself to do this if I've never even had a sleep paralysis episode before?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, because like I said, just because you haven't had the paralysis doesn't mean that some of these other things that I mentioned, the flying, the buzzing, the vibration, those are all still symptoms of the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of part of it, but I mean, how would you bring it on, I guess, is what he's asking.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my book, Chapter 14, I list about five different techniques that I've not only tested on myself, I've tested on all my students, on my family, my mother, my son, and I have a lot of success with these techniques.
		Try one until you feel very comfortable with.
		Another thing, since we're all up early in the morning right now, one thing that I found that works for me too is sleep deprivation.
		And since we're all up now, I challenge or I suggest that those of you who are going back to sleep after this show, try to lay there and relax your body one muscle at a time, like I said, and see if your body falls asleep.
		That's a great way to induce it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, as I said earlier, I was doing that because I had real trouble, and somebody sent me a letter and said, try that.
		Just concentrate on your finger, relax it, then your arm, then your body, then your neck, then your, you know, go right.
		Start if you want to, start at your toe and move upward, but one piece at a time, force it to relax.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And before you're ever done, you'll be asleep.
unidentified		Exactly.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's what happens.
		That's what happens.
		You may hear yourself snoring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's actually happened.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm the guy that was talking about Crystal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		Yeah, well, you're I kept you on the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, you kind of got your answer then.
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		And I'm going to give her best advice.
		I mean, I'm in the Marine Corps, so I don't do that.
		But the thing is, don't be afraid.
		Don't fear it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Don't fear the OBE experience.
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not the drug experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, she's off with that.
unidentified		That's good.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, no, don't fear it.
		And don't let other people tell you to fear it.
		Because, see, some people say, well, that's this and that's demonic.
		See, everybody becomes an expert, even though they haven't had the experience.
		Don't let them tell you that it's a fearful, horrible, demonic, crazy thing.
		It is not.
		It is very natural.
		And be calm about it and tell her to enjoy it.
		Tell her she can do this.
		She's very, very fortunate and very, very blessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a fax here from a Reverend who says he's not at all disturbed by what you're discussing and that those of a religious nature ought not to be.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of the flock are, aren't they?
		They're terrified of this.
		They feel it is of the devil.
		It is of the darkness.
		It's not.
		I can't believe that it would be.
		I can't believe that if we do have a soul, and I do believe we have one, that there's anything wrong with examining it, with trying to get in touch with it, or traveling with it.
		I mean, what can be so dark and bad about that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the thing that we're talking about here, Art, is fear.
		And that's really all it is.
		I had a reverend back in the Bible Belt say about, he said, Albert Taylor must have been possessed by demons to have written this book.
unidentified		I was shocked.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I didn't realize that people still did that in the 90s.
		But my only response to that was, I could respect that a lot more if at least he'd read my book.
		You know, this doesn't threaten anybody's religion because in all religions it talks about that we are spirit, that we are sparks of God.
		And just because, I mean, people did it in the Bible and in other books in the past, that doesn't mean that that is only for people who've lived thousands of years ago.
		No, we are still the same spiritual beings.
		Yes, we can still do these things.
		This is nothing new.
		This subject has been hidden in the occult category for so long, and that's where it got all these fearful condemnations.
		But it's out of that category now and into a new category, and it's okay.
		As a matter of fact, I think it would reconfirm any spiritual beliefs or religious beliefs that you may have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Al, about 100 years ago, we'd have put you up on this big piece of wood, and we'd have put kindling wood under you, and we'd have lit you up.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And the worst thing that would have happened to me is I would have ended up in a permanently out-of-body state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Hi, this is Dawn in Pinole, California.
		Yes, and a pleasure to speak with you, and a pleasure to meet you, Al.
		Great.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I have a question.
		I had an out-of-body experience about 10 years ago, and I did it intentionally after reading Robert Monroe's book.
		And I tried for about a year to have one, and you fall asleep 99% of the time.
		You were close.
		Oh, yeah.
		And I finally achieved it.
		And after leaving my body, let me tell you, seeing your own body laying there is quite a shock.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But as it is, I managed to stay out of my body.
		And I was attempting to travel somewhere else.
		I wanted to go to a different place to uh to kind of prove to myself that I did it.
		And another entity entered my space.
		Uh, this entity looked it appeared to be my mother.
		It looked like my mother, and this entity was was scolding me, you know, uh, yelling at me, kind of uh, like, like, what are you doing?
		And, um, I'm curious, could was that a guardian angel, possibly?
		Was that a.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Your mother is alive?
unidentified		Yes, yes, my mother is alive.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Um, you could say guardian angel, you could say guide.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Um, scolding you, meaning, um, I never felt threatened.
unidentified		You know, it would be just like if your mother was yelling at you, you know, she would never hurt you, but you could tell she was upset with you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it came to you in an image, like I mentioned before, and something that you would not fear, unless you fear your mother.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But it came to you in an image that you would not fear, yet it was being authoritative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean something like you get you get back in that body right now?
unidentified		Precisely, precisely.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes they govern our experiences because you're not ready.
		And sometimes they limit, they'll hold you in, as a matter of fact.
		They'll keep you in the body to keep you from getting out because you're not quite ready to experience something.
		Or maybe you'll have an experience that may terrify you to the point where you'll never want to attempt it again.
unidentified		Well, it's the strangest thing.
unidentified		After that one time, I am still interested in the subject, but I've never had the desire to do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you should let that fear go.
		Now, I'll say this.
		You used the cat analogy earlier, the kitten, I think, right?
		You know, I've got house cats.
		I don't let them go outside.
		I think that's bad.
		Cats die.
		They get squished on the road and eaten by coyotes here in the desert.
		And so when my cat wanders outside the door, I usually say, get back in the house right now.
		So maybe his mom was, in essence, saying that to him.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That makes perfectly good sense to me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's what it sounds like to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Al, stay right where you are.
		Al Taylor is my guest.
		We're talking about OPEs and sleep paralysis.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from September 26.
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		Midnight happy awaits it.
		Send your camel to bed.
		Shadows painting our faces.
		Tracing some romance in our head.
		Heaven's holding our head.
		Shining just for us.
		Let's live off to a sandwich real soon.
		Kick up the little bells.
		Come on.
		Cats is our friend.
		He wandered out the way.
		You're listening to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an ongoing presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is an alert for those of you who like to see really interesting things.
		In about the next 20 minutes, within the next 20 minutes, depending on where you are, the space shuttle is going to re-enter, and at about this time of the morning, it's a hell of a view.
		Now, I don't know what parts of the country are going to get the best view of it, but within the next 20 minutes, the shuttle is going to come screaming back.
		And on occasion, you can see this wonderful long orange streak as the shuttle flies across the horizon.
		Sometimes, if you're close enough, you'll hear a gigantic boom.
		But this is the shuttle warning.
		About the next 20 minutes.
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george noory ▲ ● ▼		Even though I think the middle class is being eroded away, because most people are doing relatively okay, we haven't seen that balance of power shift yet.
george noory ▲ ● ▼		If that gets higher, I think we got a real problem.
unidentified		I don't see governments Being supportive of this kind of rising up of people asserting their frustrations, we're looking at a very historic time beginning to emerge right now.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 25th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End Dear Art, I send you this message because I love you.
		Many babies die in their crib because of early OB, the medical term for its crib death.
		My cousin died in his sleep.
		He always talked about a strange death-like feeling trying to take him in his sleep.
		This led him to the occult.
		He told us one day he's going to give in to the feeling and leave his body.
		He's now dead.
		He died in his sleep.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You want my comment?
		Sure.
		Well, you know, like I said, unfortunately, there's a lot of people who aren't really experiencers who have opinions on this particular subject.
		And what really is interesting about this type of thing is it's generally motivated by fear.
		Now, this person may, I mean, I have had a cousin who passed away who was able to travel out of body.
		But just because he was able to travel out of body had nothing to do with the timing of his death.
		Another thing is you've got to realize is that there is a plan.
		Nothing happens by accident.
		There is a plan to this whole thing.
		And just because you travel out of body doesn't mean that that plan is going to be canceled out and now you're going to die.
		And everyone that was supposed to benefit from your life and that you were supposed to help now has to do without.
		It doesn't work that way.
		There is higher guidance.
		It's not a human thing.
		It's more of a spiritual thing.
		And I would say even a God thing.
		There is a plan.
		And you have to have kind of faith in that plan.
		I mean, everybody, if you're whatever religion, you're going to have faith of some sort.
		And there is a plan.
		Everything happens exactly as it should.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they will understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Christy from the Trade Cities, Washington.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I, when I was 16, I used to have out-of-body experiences.
		And with the buzzing you were talking about, I didn't really, I had that, but I also, after I left my body, I'd be like up above, I felt like.
		And I felt like I was spinning around really fast.
		I don't know what that was.
		And I didn't really know a whole lot about it, but I didn't really go anywhere.
		I kind of went around my house and that, just simple things.
		And then after I read about it and I started getting into it more, something else started happening.
		I would go into the paralysis and go beyond that and I would go into like a dream.
		It wasn't like an out-of-body experience.
		It was more like a dream.
		Weird things would go on, you know, just how dreams are.
		But I could control it like an out-of-body experience.
		And then they started turning into like nightmares.
		And then I would try to come out of it, to wake up, and I would have to say, I found, you know, I thought if I said, you know, I want to wake up, that I could, you know, come out of it.
		And I couldn't say it.
		And then finally, if I did say it, I would think that I woke up, you know, I would, you know, sit up in bed, but the dream, you know, the nightmare would continue.
		And I'd have to do this five or six times before I would actually wake up.
		So in the beginning, you said you could control it.
		Yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And then when it became a nightmare, did you forget you could control it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Did you panic?
unidentified		I couldn't control what else went on.
unidentified		I could control what I did.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		When you say you couldn't, did you try?
unidentified		Did I try to control what they did?
		No, I didn't.
		I didn't do that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		See, you know, it's kind of like you're driving down the freeway and a car cuts in front of you and instead of using the wheel to maneuver out from the way of the car, meaning change lanes, what you did is you panicked and put your hands over your eyes.
		Yeah.
		If you thought about it, you still have control of the car.
		You still can do stuff.
		But you forgot that you had that control because of what happened visually or whatever your sensors, your sensory septile, your senses picked up.
		You still have control.
		Even when you think it's a horrifying dream.
		In the beginning, when I had lucid dreams, I would dream, you know, I'm afraid of ghosts.
		At least I have been up until recently.
		And I would have dreams of ghosts chasing me or haunted mansions and things like that.
		And all of a sudden, I would be very aware, oh yeah, I'm dreaming.
		And being very aware of that I was dreaming, I would just change the dream.
		And I wouldn't forget, because of the terrifying experience, that I could.
		And I did.
		And you can always fly away.
		You can even change the situation.
		Another thing you mentioned that's very interesting is we haven't touched on is that when you get into the paralysis, there are so many forks in the road that you, there's so many avenues that you can choose.
		One of them is creating a dream.
		And I've done that numerous times.
		And that's when you relax and let go.
		And instead of rising above, you start visualizing things.
		And you can create a dream to experience.
		But you've got to remember, you are the actor and director of this play.
		You haven't lost control in any way, shape, or form.
		So don't forget that just because something happens that you didn't expect.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		That's interesting.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You haven't lost any control.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You just forgot you did.
unidentified		Can I ask one more question?
		Yes.
		Okay, since then, since that happened, it scared the hell out of me.
		And I kept myself from having it.
		And that was two years ago, and I haven't had one since.
		But recently, I've begun having the paralysis again, and I've made myself wake up because I'm scared that that's going to happen again.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Are you finished?
unidentified		Yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, just because, you know, the fearful thoughts are what causes your fearful experiences.
		And hopefully, read my book.
		You'll see I had some really incredible fearful experiences, and I survived every last one of them.
		And after years of traveling, I look forward to traveling out of body more than anything you can imagine.
		And I recommend it for anybody.
		And I'm okay.
		And I understand about my fearful thoughts.
		The more I understood about how my fears created my experiences, it took practice.
		It wasn't like a light switch.
		It took practice for me to understand that and to calm my fear.
		And the more and more I calmed my fear, the less and less I was having situations that were frightening me.
		And the more and more open I became and the further and further I would go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That makes sense.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning again.
		This is Jake from Plantation, Florida.
		Hi, Jake.
		I spoke to you before the show, so I figured that didn't count.
		I'd like to say that this, of all programs in the last three or four months at my station down here, which went off the air at six, but I did want to speak to Al, this is the finest program that I've experienced.
		I haven't heard them all, but I've heard many.
		There's almost an entire correspondence between what Al has been saying and what I have been learning in the past 20 years through my connection with a group based out of a town a little south of Plagstaff, Arizona.
		I would just caution Al.
		Well, it's not so much that I'm cautioning.
		You had a guest last week, Art, who said, Ouija boards, throw them out of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Very often, we get wrapped up in playing with the powers that come to us as we develop.
		It's very important, I believe, and many do, not to become attached to the powers and not to be attached to the journey to the ultimate realization of beingness and the totality of all.
		These are only stops on the way, but we shouldn't be unduly interested in what we could manifest on the way to the experience of total self-awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, does that make sense to you, Al?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		It's important to stay grounded.
		You can't just abandon all responsibility and focus on just faster travel or having OBE experiences.
		It's definitely important to stay grounded because, first of all, you have to live and exist in the physical world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not the be-all and end-all.
		It's simply an explanation of something that is real.
		I mean, we've been hearing from these people all night long, so it's obviously real.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		To enhance, not to dominate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		There you are.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Hal, and I'm calling from Omaha, Nebraska.
		Hi.
		Hi, Al.
		Yeah, well, it's more of a comment, but one time I heard, you know, how you're talking about the voices calling your name.
		Well, I heard that and sounded an awful lot like my grandfather.
		And he died about six years before this happened.
		And then, you know, I just think I was hearing things because I was up for 36 hours before that.
		So I went to bed, and then I felt like something just grabbed me and pull me from my body.
		This is what it felt like.
		And then it was more of a dream, per se.
		And then I saw a dark-haired lady and a little blonde-haired girl.
		And the strangest thing is, now that I'm married, my wife has black hair and my daughter has blonde hair.
		And it looked just like the little girl in the dream.
		And it just, I don't know if it has anything to do with it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It has a lot to do with it.
unidentified		Like when you're talking about how you were hearing, you know, you hear your name called and then the roar too when I fell asleep.
		Just the loudest roar I've ever heard.
		It's something just like when I was in the military with the jet engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did this man visit his future?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, he didn't visit his future.
		I'd say the little girl from his future visited him.
		And you said you saw the blonde girl prior to her being born.
		Yeah, and see, she existed in spirit form, and she presented herself to you as you would see her in life.
		They do that all the time because, like I said, they pick their parents.
		Yeah, so she was hovering around you, checking you out.
unidentified		Yeah, like what you were talking about, that how you pick your parents and so on.
unidentified		Maybe they push you towards your mate.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		They don't push you towards, because it's all an agreement.
		You're not forced to do anything.
		Collaboration.
unidentified		Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but like the woman in my dream or whatever looks just like my wife also.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Maybe she was helping you to guide you.
unidentified		What you already wanted to do, what you agreed to do.
		Yeah, that's what I was trying to convey to you.
		Like to enjoy the little parents.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That happens a lot.
		I've known a lot of people who have seen children in dreams and then all of a sudden they have a little boy or they know they're going to have a little boy and sure enough they do and the kid grows up to look just like the child they saw in their dream.
		That happens all the time because like I said, they come to you and they stay around you observing you and to pick you, to choose you.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		That's all I have to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Well, that was just fine.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Al Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am in Ocean Beach at West Point, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		May I give my last name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time callers.
		Call Area 702-727-1222.
		Okay, well, no, he just disqualified himself.
		I didn't want a last name, and he couldn't resist, I guess.
		First time caller alive, you're on the air.
		How are you doing?
unidentified		Fine, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tennessee?
unidentified		My name's Mary.
unidentified		Hi, Mary.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mary.
unidentified		Hi.
		I want to share an experience with you that my daughter had eight years ago.
		She was five years old, and her father had passed away.
		And one morning she woke up and she said, Mommy, I went flying last night.
		And I do this all the time, so I understood what was going on.
		And I said, where did you go?
		And she said, Mommy, I saw Jesus.
		And I started asking her questions and I said, What did he look like?
		She said, Mommy, he had a purple robe on and he told me that everything was going to be just fine.
		But I just I thought this was a wonderful experience, you know, for her.
		And um, people think, you know, I tell them this story and they say, Oh, that's all that's demons and everything else.
		And I said, How can you say that when she saw Jesus?
		But it's like now I talk to her and she doesn't want to talk about it.
		I think it scares her now.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And you reinforce it with her?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		I tell her everything's fine.
		And also, I wanted to ask a question.
		When when this happens to me, it seems like it's all the time.
		And my husband will try to wake me up, and it's like I just plot back in my body, and for the whole day I feel tired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does he know it's happening?
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does he know it's happening to you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you, do you moan when this is happening?
unidentified		Yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that's how he knows?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I call that in my book abort sequence.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Because that's like saying, help me.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		But I'm so tired all day long.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, sometimes, see, if you were to stay out of body for a long time, then come back, your body wouldn't be as tired.
		But you sound like you're not leaving completely, or maybe you leave for a little while and you come back and then you go through a dream state type of thing, a restless sleep.
		Right.
		The only thing I can say is that try some of the techniques I put in my book.
		They work to the point where you'll be out and you won't be in that dream state and you won't be tossing and turning.
		And do the relaxation, the visualization, and things may smooth out for you.
		Regarding the condemnation that you heard from other people, like I said, with this thing I found that everybody is an expert, but few of them are really experiencers.
		So just take it with a grain of salt, and that's where they're coming from.
		It really has nothing to do with your experience.
		Think of it as your experiences are powerful, and what your little girl said doesn't sound demonic.
		I mean, if she has experience with Jesus, what could be demonic about that?
unidentified		That sounds almost hypocritical to say that it is.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So don't worry about what they say.
		I have heard so many things.
		People have said so many fearful things about this, but none of them have had these experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world is full of that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's going to go on.
		But you're having something that your little girl is having.
		I think it's wonderful.
		Support it, be open to her, and let her explore her own being, because that's what she's doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're almost out of time, Al, but maybe one more.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Hart, Richard and Kelso.
		I was hoping Mr. Taylor could explain what happened to me.
		I was having a vivid dream one night a couple years ago.
		I was dreaming I was at my old house where I grew up, 10 miles away.
		I woke up.
		I was wide awake, and yet I was paralyzed.
		I couldn't move.
		I tried yelling to my wife.
		She couldn't, I mean, I couldn't get anything out.
		So I blinked my eyes, and suddenly I was back at my old house, 10 miles away.
		I was still conscious that I was paralyzed, and I blinked my eyes, and I was back in my bedroom.
		I still couldn't move.
		I blinked my eyes again.
		I was back at the old house, 10 miles away.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		I blinked my eyes again.
		I was back in the bedroom.
		The whole time this went on for several minutes, I just fought and fought and fought, and the first thing I got back was just a faint voice.
		Just, you know, I was able to get out a squeak, and then finally I could yell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was classic, wasn't it, Al?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear that a lot.
		You know, a lot of people go to old houses.
		Let me ask you this.
		Was the house different from what you remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's already gone, so we're so short on time.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of people have experiences like that where they go to their old house because what's happening is, you know, there may be a part of you that is very comfortable and drawn to that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And if you're in that state, you can create it or even experience the old house, and it doesn't matter what time period because there are no time limitations.
unidentified		All right, now it's very easy to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're woefully out of time.
		Listen, my friend, it has been a wonderful night.
		You are a dream come true for a lot of people that have been calling for days.
		I'm glad I found you.
		And I want you to give your 800 number again for your book.
		The name of the book is Soul Traveler by Al Taylor.
		Al, it has been a pleasure.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art, for this opportunity.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I'm really honored to be able to help and share my experiences with people out there to help them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		We will be in contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
		Sweep well.
		Well, that's it, folks.
		We will be back again tonight.
		Don't forget with Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. from the beautiful high desert.

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