Albert Taylor, OBEs expert and Soul Traveler author, details a 1997 cruise with stops at Egypt’s Giza Pyramids, Israel’s Wailing Wall, and Italy’s Pompeii while dismissing sleep paralysis fears as misplaced, arguing it’s a gateway to harmless, joyful out-of-body experiences (OBE). His 1982 vision of his aunt’s spirit and 1993 OBE—where he saw his own death without dread—prove consciousness persists beyond physical limits. Skeptics question past-life awareness, but Taylor insists hypnosis or meditation unlocks memories like dreams, while thought forms shape encounters, even in cases like a caller’s terrifying "demonic" sleep paralysis. His book offers techniques like the Interruptive Sleep Technique (IST) and muscle relaxation to safely induce OBEs, which he compares to Disneyland euphoria, stressing the body’s automatic recall prevents separation. Chemical interference disrupts these natural states, and Taylor advises caution against forced methods, urging listeners to embrace fearless exploration of their spiritual selves. [Automatically generated summary]
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This comes under the category of you asked for it.
So now you're gonna get it.
And I've been hard at work ever since I've been getting these myriad of um unrelenting sleep paralysis calls.
Alright, I've got it too.
It's been going on for days.
So tonight.
Al Taylor.
Albert Taylor.
Author of something called Soul Traveler.
A man, who from a very early age, himself, experienced death-like night paralysis.
And he researched it, and he knows what it is, and he's going to talk to you about it tonight.
So under the category of you asked for it, here it comes.
We'll get to all of that shortly.
Let me do a couple of things right up front.
And if you'll get it and run and get a pencil.
The waiting is over.
I am going to tell you about the cruise coming up next year and how to get in on it in just a few moments.
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I am going to tell you about the cruise coming up next year.
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Even though I think the middle class is being eroded away, because most people are doing relatively okay, we haven't seen that balance of power shift yet.
If that gets higher, I think we got a real problem.
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I don't see governments being supportive of this kind of rising up of people asserting their frustrations.
We're looking at a very historic time beginning to emerge right now.
Now we take you back to the night of September 25th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Music All right, in a nutshell, here it is, folks.
This is night one, and this is your opportunity.
And I have had now many years of cruises going to exotic locations, and trust me, this one takes the cake.
We're going to leave the United States next October 1st.
In other words, a little over a year from now.
But because of the prices that we're going to be able to get for you, and they are very, very good prices, we're doing this far ahead of time.
Far ahead of time.
Now, we were due to take another tour, but you know I've wanted to see the pyramid, so I've talked them into another tour, and this is a winner.
Believe me.
So we leave the U.S., bound for Athens, Greece, on October 1st.
October 2nd, we arrive in Athens, Greece.
And there we transfer from the airport to Holland America's extremely luxurious ship.
We know all about the Mozdom because we went on the Mozdom last time.
Sail at 5 o'clock.
Now, of course, you can arrive in Athens a day or two or three early if you want to spend a lot of time in Athens.
October 3rd, we get the first full day at sea, and you will love it.
There, you get a photograph with me trying to smile, and a welcome aboard party, and so forth and so on.
October 4th, we arrive in Alexandria, Egypt for Cairo.
And there, there is an optional shore tour excursion, which goes straight to Giza and the pyramids.
You'll be able to descend a hundred steps into the center of Cheops, the largest of three 5,000-year-old pyramids.
You may also visit the interior of two other pyramids, and of course the famed Sphinx just off to the side.
So this is my baby.
I've been wanting to go there, and we're going.
Then October 5th, we go to Jerusalem, Israel.
And I'll be telling you a lot more about all of this.
And the wailing wall, you know, we'll do everything that you want to do when you get to Israel.
And then October 6th, to Haifa, Israel.
October 7th, it's back at sea, and you'll be glad to get back at sea and the wonders of the MS Mazdom.
October 8th, we go to Rhodes, Greece, one of the most popular islands, Greek islands.
And I'll tell you more about these.
October 9th, Potmost, Greece, another Greek island, and then yet October 10th, another Greek island.
Crete.
Have you ever been to Crete?
Have you heard about Crete?
We're going there.
October 11th, we go to one final stop, the mainland of Greece.
And I'd be darned if I can pronounce it.
It's N-A-V-P-L-I-O-N.
And I would slaughter it if I tried, so I won't.
Then we get another day at sea.
Then we are in Naples, Italy.
And we get to go visit the city that was buried, Pompeii, the ancient city of Pompeii, the Isle of Capri.
And then we end up, and I'm skipping through this very quickly, we end up in Rome, Italy.
So I'm telling you, this is going to be the cruise of a lifetime or 10 lifetimes.
And it's all on the Mozdom.
Now, listen, if you're interested in coming along, I'm going to give you the phone numbers right now, and you need to begin calling in the morning at 8 o'clock through 6 o'clock Pacific time.
From 8 o'clock in the morning through 6 o'clock Pacific time.
Now don't wait.
Do not wait.
I warn every year about this, and every year it fills up, and that's it.
You know, we get filled up, and that will happen again this year, and this is going to be the cruise of a lifetime.
We're going to the pyramids and much more.
I also want to see Pompeii.
But I'm telling you, trust me on this, you can't wait.
You've got to get going now.
I know it's a year away, and it's hard to think that far away.
But we're doing this very intentionally early so that we can get enough of you with us and so that we don't fill up too early.
But inevitably, that's exactly what occurs.
It has every single year.
so we'll get those numbers on later i just wanted to get you the information for the incredible We touch just about every terror spot in the Mideast.
And, gee, we're going to Greece and to the pyramids, of course, in Egypt and the Greek islands and Italy and Israel.
And so I'm calling it the territory.
For those who are not afraid to live life a little bit, there's danger in all of life, right?
And it hasn't stopped me yet.
I've been to communist China.
I've been to what is supposed to be non-communist Russia.
Ha ha ha ha.
And on that score, by the way, Boris Yeltsin will have his operation out for a while because he's not strong enough.
The power struggle is going on over there right now.
And so there is that.
The debate over the debates continues.
There is significant trouble in Israel where the Palestinians seem bent or the Israelis seem bent on battling each other once again.
Seven dead to this hour in continuing battles.
And that pretty much covers the news.
Now, over the past, what would you guys say, about a week, somebody brought up sleep paralysis.
It was like a snowball going downhill.
I can't stop.
I was unable to stop the calls.
Something's going on out there.
I've heard of sleep paralysis.
I'm rather sure it's been around as long as we have.
But this many people experiencing it indicates that something profound is going on.
So I was compelled to bow to the audience and say, okay, let's find out about it.
Here's the guy who will tell us about it.
He is Al Taylor.
And as I said, from a very early age, he experienced what he calls death-like night paralysis with extremely lucid dreams.
His grandmother called them witch rides.
These witch rides progress to actual out-of-body experiences, OBEs, astral projection, whatever you want to call it, flying with the mind to distant places, traveling beyond our physical plane, spirit encounters, psychic insights and healing.
He's an engineer, a scientist, and an artist.
He relates experiences with great insight and some humor.
You've got to have a sense of humor about things, folks.
How these paranormal events have impacted his personal growth, relationships.
All of this explains how the reader can experience an OBE step-by-step.
Now, I've been scared to death of it.
A good friend of mine, as you know, is Daniel Brinkley, who said of Soul Traveler, which is the name of Albert's book, quote, Albert Taylor's adventures into the other dimensions affords us a way to look at life, expand, laugh some, search our soul some, find ways to believe.
It's a must-read.
And that sure does sound like Daniel, doesn't it?
So let us, by the way, his engineering background includes work on SDI, a real hardware kind of Guy.
He was involved in NASA's International Space Station program.
This man has a serious background.
Presently working in computers, owns a company called Phoenix Computer Systems, and is someplace or another in Southern California right now.
See, the doctors, they may be able to try to explain away why a person is paralyzed in the middle of the night, but then as the OBE continues or out-of-body experience continues, they can't explain what's going on after that.
They can't explain to me why I can go to places that I've never been physically and identify them and list what's going on there with 100% accuracy.
I would say I was almost in a super conscious state where I was very, very much alert, very, very much aware that I was laying in my bed.
I could see the room very clearly, and I wear glasses, so that is an interesting fact, because the room should have been blurry if I was just looking out of my normal eyes.
That's what's so terrifying about it because you actually feel as if there's something wrong with you because you feel like you're normal except you can't move your body.
And it's scary.
Another thing that occurs during the paralysis that people have problems with is you feel like you can't breathe either.
The first reason is that now we're in a new age, as we call it, and we've moved from an occult type of category, which was very frightening to people and had airs of the devil or demon worship, to new age, which is real, rosy, and nice.
And people can come out of the closet, so to speak, and talk about these things that are happening to them more freely.
Once I started writing my book, Soul Traveler, people in my own family that I've known all my life were now starting to come to me and tell me, you know, I've had these experiences, but I didn't want to tell anyone.
Then the other calls started coming, and people said, hey, look, I put my hand down, or my hand felt like it was falling through the bed, and others have said, I felt myself rise out of my body.
I teach a weekly class every Thursday at 1212 Lincoln Boulevard.
But what I found out is that once you first of all find out what it is, and then I've worked with a lot of people, I've talked this to hundreds of people, they not only stop dreading this paralysis, but they actually start looking forward to it.
Become enthusiastic about it, hoping they have it tonight.
Really?
And you know what's interesting about this is that it has nothing to do with your age.
I mean, my six-year-old son experiences it, and my 74-year-old mother experiences it.
And what's interesting about my 74-year-old mother, she's had this paralysis practically all her life, too, but only about four years ago I shared with her what was going on, and she used some of the techniques that I listed in my book, and the very first time she tried it, she had an out-of-body experience, a wonderful one.
and see, this is what a lot of people don't know: is that 99% of us experience out-of-body experiences, have out-of-body experiences every night, but only 20% of us remember.
But everybody has an out-of-body experience, but you know, I mean, if you take 100 people at night and 100 people come back to the room, there's very few chances of anybody being dead at that time.
I mean, everybody experiences, but only a few remember it.
And what I've done with my classes and my techniques is I've increased it to about 60%.
So all you're doing is remembering what you do normally at night.
And it's a very natural, it's not something new that you're stepping into a new area.
It's just becoming aware of something you already do.
I could go into a lot of theology, metaphysics, but to simply put it, the reason I call my book Soul Traveler is because I believe that a lot of people say, well, I have a soul.
Well, I don't believe it's something that you keep in your pocket or it's inside your body floating around somewhere.
I believe that we are soul.
We are it, what we claim to have.
And that's what I believe leaves the body.
Now, some people may say it's the spirit.
Well, that's the same thing to me because what it is is what you are.
I'm a member of International Association of Near-Death Studies.
And when I had this experience, this OBE experience, suddenly I felt as if I'm finally home.
Like, that is my natural state.
And this, in the physical body, is a very, very temporary state.
All of a sudden, I understood who I really was, and I understood that not only would I survive death, but I would continue consciously to experience another reality, so to speak.
And this is what I tell people.
If you travel out of body, that's as dead as you're ever going to get.
That's what it feels like.
It matches the same experiences that my colleagues who have had near-death experiences.
It is exactly like that.
That's as dead as you'll ever get.
So if that's it, then there's nothing to be afraid of.
You perceive that you have what's called, in some cases, an astral body, or like Robert Monroe used to call it, the second body.
And you actually can see hands, but they do not look exactly like the hands of your physical body.
They're kind of transparent.
The hand is a little bit larger than your normal hand.
It glows slightly, luminescent.
And you can use these hands, this body that you're in, it is just as maneuverable, and you can feel and touch fabric just like you could in the physical.
Only thing is you can touch it or you can penetrate through it.
Like walls, fabric, anything.
You can touch it or you can penetrate, actually penetrate through it.
Well, when you say you can touch it, let's say I were to go over to my couch and touch my couch now in the physical world, I will see a depression in the couch when I touch it.
Yes, and in his book, I believe it was his first one, where he described how he thought he did this out of body, but then after he returned, he called the person up and they confirmed that he actually did that.
And then he saw the person later and they had a bruise exactly where he pinched the person.
In other words, if you can go to Egypt or Tokyo or, you know, anywhere, or even off-planet, then you should be able to observe something in that state that could then be verified.
I've gone to friends' houses that I've never been physically and come back and written about it in detail.
And some of that is in my book, and then call them up and started telling them what their place looked like.
Not only what the interior of their apartment looked like, but what the views were outside the windows, what the neighborhood looked like, because I was flying around the neighborhood.
And I've got to tell you, six years ago, if you would have told me this, I would have thought you were nuts.
I didn't just buy into this at all.
I was very, very skeptical to this whole thing.
But after proving it to myself, because basically that's all I wanted to do, I wanted to find out what was happening with me.
Well, like I said, it's been happening to me since I was five years old.
I didn't go out to have these experiences.
They came to me.
And all I wanted to do was understand what was going on.
Since it was happening without my control at that time, I just wanted to know, I wanted to make sure it wasn't some type of neurological defect or some type of psychological problem, schizophrenia or something like that.
So then I started exploring it, and I only explored it as a researcher.
I just wanted to find out, measure it, and convince myself.
Before he began to really investigate, he went to every doctor in sight, had every test in sight performed, tried to ensure there was no physical malady whatsoever, and once he was finally satisfied, then he began to explore.
Are you able to discern, when you're out of body, are you able to discern between that which you observe in the physical world and, say, an encounter with another traveler?
You know, this is what's interesting about traveling OBE because, see, as you touched on it before, you're in the spirit body or the soul body, and you have far more awareness than you do right now in the physical body.
You're open to a lot of things, and you understand a lot of things, and there's some things that you just know.
It's like almost like tapping into, like Dr. Joseph Murphy called it, universal consciousness.
It's like what psychics do.
They just know things, and they're not worried about convincing anybody else because they're very sure inside.
And that's what happens while you're OBE.
It's almost as if your consciousness opens up and you just understand a lot of things that would baffle you in the physical.
And see, but this is the warning I give people, and I don't give a lot of warnings about this, but one of the warnings I do give is that because it's very real, it's not a figment of your imagination, especially if you go forward in time, you go forward in time, and you may see something and something you may not like.
And when you come back to the physical, you'll have to deal with it, and you may even see this particular thing begin to manifest.
So that's why I tell people, be very careful, because once you know, you will have to live with it.
But, you know, the thing is, is that a rose by any other name still smells of sweetened, and they still are going to perform the same jobs they would no matter what you call them.
And their job is for your higher good.
And it's not something they picked out.
It's something that they're helping you to accomplish that you agreed to do.
But definitely, through the out-of-body experience and the other non-physical realities that I have experienced, it has slowly opened my mind to this, I mean, opened my understanding to what we really are.
We're timeless.
Which is wonderful because if you think about it, to me, life without reincarnation is like a stage play with only one act.
There just isn't enough time for character development.
I argue with people about disclosure time and time again.
I've told them governments are not going to come out willingly to tell us it's going to happen by a mistake, it's going to happen by a whistleblower, but it's not going to be an organized thing.
Governments won't do that.
And the reason why they won't do it is because they do not want us to know.
They think that they'll lose control of us if we know.
If you actually truly believed that we were being visited by extraterrestrials and you had categorical proof that it was happening, do you think you would listen to some of the bull that government throws out all the time?
Absolutely not.
You'd look toward the heavens, you'd say there's got to be a better way, and you would start doing your own thing.
And you would forget all about government control and everything else.
So the bottom line is government will never, ever disclose the true facts of UFOs.
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If that gets higher, I think we got a real problem.
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Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
and Albert Taylor tell the difference of between good and bad guys sounds like he has Sounds like he's bought into the OBE so much, he's no longer an objective observer or a researcher.
Guides, helpers, watchers, or whatever you call them, could be part of the end time deception.
Sounds like he no longer can tell the difference.
Signed, Bob.
And this, of course, is the religious angle.
And they see you as a new wavy, kind of touchy-feely person.
And they see you possibly as, you know, on the dark side.
Well, all I can say is that I'm a middle-of-the-road type of person.
Like I said, I'm a researcher.
I do numerous tests.
I don't jump to conclusions.
And I have absolutely no information that suggests that something is negative going on.
If I did, I would definitely pay attention to it.
But as it stands right at this moment, out of all the experiences I've had, and I've had hundreds, I have absolutely no information showing that something negative is going on.
When they leave their body, or when they left their body in those clinical experiments, which could be done in the real world, of course, would they be going through the same process that you go through when you leave your body in soul travel?
That would be more like if you could do that, or if someone would do that, that would be more like a controlled near-death experience.
And see, the near-death experience, you don't have a lot of options on where to go.
Generally, you come out of the body because of a trauma or an accident to the body or if you want to stop the heart.
And you may hover around the body for a few minutes.
You may even move around in different locations.
But eventually, you're drawn into a tunnel or you go and transition to a non-physical reality and have experiences with the light or Jesus or whatever, depending on your beliefs, whatever type of entity or angelic being that might be there.
Sometimes you have experiences with dead relatives.
Well, the first thing I would say, you know, in my book, in chapter 14, I dedicated the whole entire chapter on how to do it.
And I also dedicate a portion of the chapter on how to induce the paralysis in case you don't, you know, you want to make it happen, which a lot of people, once they find out what it is, they do.
But what I can first want to explain what the paralysis is and what it is not.
First of all, it's not a defect.
It's not neurological problems or something like that or breathing problems.
What it is is right now as we're awake in the physical world, our spirit and our body are very tightly connected.
But during sleep, when we go to sleep, the body falls asleep and as it does, it kind of releases its grip on the spirit.
But the spirit hasn't moved anywhere or the astral form.
Well, the first thing you have to do, you'll be at this fork in the road where you'll want to panic or fearful thoughts and want to come back and want to take a deep breath.
And that's hard because when you start letting go, physical reality, physical sensations like breathing and being aware of the room begin to slip away almost like a mini death.
But once you transition that period, all of a sudden, you're totally disconnected and you feel free, light, and you have a whole new awareness of your being.
Now, I listed it in my book, it's called the interruptive sleep technique.
And what I did is I tried a host of different techniques.
Some of them worked, some of them moderately worked, some of them didn't work at all.
But what I found out about that, and I call it the IST, what I found out about the IST, if you do it correctly, like I listed in my book in chapter 14, it will work approximately for the average person about 8 out of 10 times, which is phenomenal.
And what happens is, is while you're going through this process and you're just laying there, don't move under any circumstances, try not to move, what will happen is, and this is really phenomenal, your body will fall asleep, but your consciousness will stay wide awake.
And suddenly you'll find yourself in that paralysis state.
Now you may even hear your body snoring.
And that's when you really become aware that you're something a little different than the body.
And you're still occupying the same space as your physical body.
But now it's time, once you disconnect from the physical, then it's time to switch over your thinking and focus your thoughts on moving the astral form or the second body, as Robert Monroe would call it.
Okay, remote viewing is a little bit different from actual traveling or having an OBE.
Remote viewing is almost like if you were to view a room, it's almost like you are a camera up in the corner of the room or in a particular fixed location where you can view the room.
Having an OBE is like physically being there, where you can move around the room, you feel like you're walking or floating or flying or you can touch objects.
You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks tonight and on your presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight's an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
Here's a facts from somebody that I want to read, and then I want to follow it.
Dear Art, please ask Mr. Taylor if in his travels he's observed or gained knowledge of things relating to what I call, Art Bell calls, the quickening.
We've had a lot of people on this program in the past talk about earth changes, disasters, things that are yet to come, and that there may be a future of rather immediate disruption, Al, some pretty awful things coming.
And you said it was the single warning that you give people, if you travel to the future, you may see something you don't like at all.
See, that I haven't done as far as what I did see had to do with my life.
And, you know, I belong to the International Association of Near-Death Studies, like I mentioned before, which is IANS.
And if you've read a lot of books by the people, Betty Eady, Kimberly Clark Sharp, Hushi Hanta, and a few other people, you'll read that a lot of people have near-death and then come back psychic.
And the out-of-body experiences I've had aren't quite like that.
But see, what I noticed is that a lot of these people dwell on doom and gloom.
And they predict all these catastrophes and things like that.
And me personally, I don't see any reason to tell a person that horrible things are going to happen unless you can do something about it.
I know, I mean, it doesn't take a psychic person to realize what we're doing to the environment and to our world and our planet and things like that.
And we need to clean up our act in a lot of ways.
And a lot of it is environmental and how we treat Mother Earth.
So I can tell you, if we progress on the path that we've gone, it's inevitable that something disastrous is going to occur.
But I have not seen this psychically, because like I said, all the experiences I've seen in the future, and I don't want to do that anymore.
I don't do that because I don't want to do that to myself.
But what I can say is that, you know, psychically, what I did see had to do with my own personal life, which actually manifested, and I had to deal with it.
So having to deal with it, which was very difficult for me, that's why I tell people, just be prepared because you may not see what's going to happen in Russia.
You may see what's going to happen right in your own home.
That's harder to deal with than what may be happening over on the other side of the world.
You know, I'm not afraid of death, so that really doesn't bother me.
I just don't want to die in a horrible way because I know that death is just a transition.
I know that I will be consciously awake and aware, even more so than I am now.
So that doesn't scare me as far as death is concerned.
I don't want to be mutilated and dying in a horrible crime.
But it doesn't scare me at all.
As a matter of fact, I was sitting in an IAMS meeting recently, and there were a bunch of, you know, these people who've had near-death experience who were psychic, and they were saying there's going to be volcanic eruptions, there's going to be tidal waves, earthquakes, and all that.
And I raised my hand, and I said, excuse me, can I say something?
And they said, sure, Al.
And I said, you know, the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to us is that we all end up in a permanent out-of-body state.
And that's not really that bad.
So that's how I look at it.
It doesn't matter what happens, you're still going to survive it.
So that which came before me is, in essence, dead.
If the consciousnesses that came prior to me are not able to manifest themselves and think consciously or be aware, I don't know how we define what that is, I'm aware, then those prior lives are...
Well, beyond the physical, while flying around, this was something that's really interesting that happened.
I felt drawn to this, and I will call it a state of consciousness rather than a place, because it's really a state of consciousness, where I felt pulled there.
So after I arrived at this place, and I call it a meeting place because I have no other name for it, and I would say there were a multitude of beings, entities.
I didn't know exactly what they were.
My aunt passed away in Cedar Cyanai Hospital of cancer in 1982.
I saw this being, entity, whatever you want to call it, that resembled my aunt dramatically.
And I doubted it.
I disbelieved.
I just thought, this can't be her.
She died.
I was a pallbearer at her funeral.
But I could not deny that this person, if anybody looked like her and felt like her, it was her.
And I panicked.
I thought, I got to get out of here.
So I left.
The same feeling happened, this same occurrence happened two days later where I was drawn to the same location.
I saw the same entity, but this time the entity approached me.
And through sharing, and see, you don't talk to each other, you share thought forms.
And through sharing these thought forms and consciousness, I began to understand, first of all, I identified her immediately.
And another thing that happened is that I've been afraid of spirits all my life.
I'd say I'm a product of Hollywood.
So I've seen every horror movie there possibly could exist.
But through sharing this experience with my aunt, as a deceased entity or whatever, it calmed my fear.
And I suddenly identified more with who she was, what was happening to her.
And I realized that I'm not very different from her, except I have a place to go back to.
I have a body.
But in essence, when I die or when I'm in that state, I'm just like her.
But yes, to your first question, it could have been.
Because you can do that.
You can come, matter of fact, you can come to, first of all, you can go to anyone's bedroom, and you can actually pull them out of body where they actually feel you tugging on them, and you can cause them to have an OBE.
If you had the capability of traveling OBE, yes, you could.
But I would say out of all the people that I know who have done, who have the capabilities, because I'm definitely not alone, they aren't focused in that direction at all.
And this is something that I tell people, when you're out of body, you don't think the same as we do now.
You don't think about the carnal things and material things like you would now.
You're thinking a little bit higher, having a little bit higher awareness and consciousness of what you are.
Well, I'd say anything that is unknown, frightening, terrifying, that type of thing could, to some people, because we're all different, could possibly affect you in the physical or psychologically.
But like I said, I've been out hundreds of times, and I know a lot of people have, and I teach it all the time, and I talk about creating these things.
And I talk about your own fears are what you really have to overcome, because your own fears are creating negative situations, sometimes create negative situations for you.
And what I tell people is once you start understanding this, you can have what I call a contamination-free out-of-body experience.
That way you're not introducing all these thought forms and negative things into your experience.
And you can have a wonderful out-of-body experience with not only just flying around, if that's what you want to do, but with angelic beings.
Like I said, you're so enthusiastic about the capability of flying.
You're not thinking about the material stuff like going to spy on Russia to see what kind of secret documents they have in their files or going to sneak into somebody's bedroom to see what they're doing.
You're not thinking about that at all.
You could if you really want to focus on that, but because you're so enthusiastic about flying, it's like buying a new car.
You're going to drive the car all over the place.
You're not going to want to stop and go shopping.
You're going to want to drive because you're so enthusiastic about having the new car.
When we come back from the top of the hour, I'm going to open the phone lines, which have been blazing away since the instant we began, but I felt like we had to get a good grounding here to understand what we're talking about.
And as a matter of fact, you don't need the astral body.
See, Robert Monroe slipped out of the second body, and I have too.
And you can exist, and you can exist as a pinpoint of consciousness or in your light body, which is your natural state.
You don't need the astral form.
But see, if you went from a physical reality to a non-physical reality, like a pinpoint of consciousness, you'd be so disoriented, you probably would panic.
So the astral form is like a security blanket in itself because you feel like you're normal.
you know, normally we'd say don't try this at home.
I think we're saying now this is something you can try at home.
Could somebody from listening to you tonight, somebody who's been having sleep paralysis, after hearing what you had to say and will say, could they try it based on that motivation?
So yes, if someone goes to sleep tonight and they find themselves in the paralysis, if you can remember not to panic and if you can remember not to try to fight your way out of it and let go and just relax and think about floating upward, I'd say 99% of the time you will have a wonderful eye-opening experience.
Will it begin the moment you consciously say, all right, I'm going to go with it.
I want to come up and I want to go out of my body.
Is that when it will begin or is there a further period of kind of panicked, hard to breathe, paralyzed state you've got to go through before it begins?
Great to be here, Impact, and we have a special show underway.
In answer to nights and nights and nights of questions from my audience about sleep paralysis, I have found Albert Taylor.
He has written a book called Soul Traveler.
From a very early age, he had death-like night paralysis.
Sleep paralysis.
This is a man who worked on the stealth F-117 project, a man who worked on SDI, a scientist, a man who began to research what was happening to him from childhood and now has found that it was the key, is the key, to what's called OBE, or out-of-body travel, spirit travel, whatever you want to call it.
An interesting background, a fascinating man, a fascinating topic.
Many, many of you experiencing it.
We're going to go to the lines.
We've done two hours of setup.
If you're just joining the show, you'll have to kind of hang in there with us.
And we'll get back to Albert Taylor in a moment.
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Albert Taylor in a moment.
Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
If you would like to see more about Albert Taylor and about Soul Travel and about his book, Soul Traveler, you can go to my website, and we've got an immediate link to jump over to his.
If you are a computer type, simply go up to my website at www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com.
If you would like to get Mr. Taylor's book, you are not an easy guy to get hold of, and I really have been trying very, very hard to find somebody of your caliber to talk on this subject.
It's not easy, and I was sort of panicked over the last few days getting all these calls, and I'm not an expert in this area.
You are, and I've already learned a very great deal.
Let's take some calls and see what people have to say, all right?
And about six years, five or six years ago, something similar to what you're talking about happened to me.
And for many years, up until now, I thought it was like a demonic possession or something.
It was very terrifying and traumatic for me.
And it was very late at night, and I was wide awake, just dying to get to sleep.
And I felt this I closed my eyes for a moment, and I felt this immense pressure, like I was being smothered, or like there was a weight on me, but it wasn't physical, it was just no physical touch, but I could feel the pressure.
And some people nickname that experience the heavies.
And I mentioned that, you know, not everyone's going to get all of the symptoms.
Not everyone's going to feel the vibes.
Not everyone's going to hear the roaring.
Not everyone's going to feel the falling back through the bed or the heaviness.
But any one of those is a great indication that you're having these experiences.
Some people travel out of body and never even experience the paralysis, like the gentleman who studied in Tibet was saying.
But do know this, that you definitely, if you can say yes or yes to one or two or three of the questions that I've asked the people, know that you are having these experiences and embrace it.
It's a wonderful thing and feel lucky about it.
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It's so terrifying.
I mean, my whole life I've been so interested in the OBE thing and all kinds of psychic phenomenon and the whole world of the sixth sense.
I like to tell my little kitten story for those of you who are cat lovers out there.
It's just like this.
It's like when you bring a cat home from the pound or something like that, and you let it loose in your house, and it runs around your house, and it finally gets very used to being indoors.
But one day you have to go out to the curb to wait for the UPS man, and you leave the door open, and you go out there to the curb.
You know cats how curious they are.
They're going to come to the door and they're going to look out the door and think, wow, this is a whole new world out there I didn't know anything about.
But when the UPS man drives up, the rumbling of the truck, it's going to frighten the cat because it's not familiar with it and it's going to run back in.
But eventually it's going to come right back to the door and look outside and realize, well, there's no threat now.
Nothing's hurt me.
And it's going to step out into the porch and eventually it's going to step out into the shrubbery near the door.
And after a few days of doing this, the cat is going to be down the street and you won't be able to find it.
And that's exactly what we do.
The more and more I would come to the door, sometimes I'd hear the rumbling.
Sometimes I'd see something and I'd panic and run back in.
But then I'd realize nothing happened to me.
So I'd go further and further.
And the further I would go, the more I would understand, and the more confidence I would build.
So it allowed me to even go even further.
So just take it a little bit at a time.
You don't have to run into it.
And if you feel fear, it's perfectly normal because it's fear of the unknown.
But realize that you are safe.
Nothing is going to happen to you.
You're not going to die.
You're not going to be tortured by some demonic beings.
You are okay.
It's okay.
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I just want to know that I'm not going to have to wake up every night and make a pot of coffee.
Well, listening to him, you know, and see, I hear a lot of people describe their experiences, and a lot of times they will say something like, like the caller just said, a dark force.
And see, see, I'm a researcher, and I'm a middle-of-the-road person, and from what I heard from him, there's really no indication that it's a negative thing.
He may have perceived it that way.
I am.
And that's okay if that's the way you want to perceive it.
But because we're talking about perception, you could also perceive it as a positive thing.
Just because you Don't know what it is, doesn't necessarily mean that it's something dark or negative.
Now, one thing that I have found is that, and this is another warning that I give people, and I don't give many, just a couple, is that while out of body, if you experienced a higher consciousness of who you are, all of a sudden, I mentioned that earlier, that all of a sudden I realized that that was my home.
That was my natural state.
And when I came back to the body, I have to tell you how it is now, I'm permanently homesick.
I always think about it because it's a wonderful feeling.
So that may be something you may have to deal with.
It's just the euphoria feeling or the wonderful lightness and well-being that you feel while out of body, you almost crave it.
That's about the only warning I would say.
But you don't have to worry about not being able to return or being drawn away by something beyond something supernatural that keeps you from returning.
You don't have to worry about that at all.
In fact, the best thing to do is try to get rid of all your fears.
Lord is a very natural part of our existence, and it's a very wonderful thing.
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I was absolutely afraid to go back to sleep last night.
As a matter of fact, I stayed up all morning and slept through all of my classes.
But yeah, I stayed up all night.
But after listening to the show so far, it's a bit comforting.
And I think I will go to sleep tonight.
And I'm almost looking forward to it happening again just so that I have the opportunity to let myself go further than I did last night.
I work in the Sleep Disorder Center, and we have our patients fill out a very detailed questionnaire and I'm always impressed by the number of people that say uh they experience sleep paralysis.
Uh also I was wondering has there any been any studies done to correlate uh REM sleep with out-of-body experiences?
Um the Monroe Institute is as I say they have done about the most extensive uh research that I can think of regarding altered states of consciousness because that's basically what we're talking about.
Um if you wanted to they they have uh I believe there's website information or you can write to the Monroe Institute if you want to to explore that early area.
Some people, see there's numerous ways to achieve an autobiography.
Not everybody is going to go to sleep at night and have an OBE.
See there's OBE in that state.
You know, and this is what's kind of remarkable, Art, is that even joggers who've jogged in the LA Marathon, while jogging, they get into this pattern, this rhythm.
And some of the joggers have reported all of a sudden floating above their bodies, watching themselves run.
That's called a spontaneous out-of-body experience.
Without being specific and saying asthma, I can share this with you.
Five years ago, I was diagnosed.
I had a major attack of multiple sclerosis.
And I had two major attacks and it landed me in the hospital.
The prognosis was very bad.
I was supposed to have equilibrium problems.
I wasn't able to even ride a bike, let alone drive a car.
I had eye jitters, double vision, and through MRIs, I had damage to the occipital lobe.
And my doctor said that eventually I would end up in a wheelchair.
I don't hype on this as much because everybody is different, but I can say this.
While out of body, you have incredible capabilities.
I mean, you have to find out what you are, but you have the capability to send healing energy to your body.
And I would say this, now, whatever way you want to explain it, here it is five years later, absolutely no eye jitter, absolutely no equilibrium problems.
I am not in a wheelchair.
I drive fine, and I haven't had any repeat attacks of MS whatsoever.
I want to touch on something you sort of touched on a moment ago, then we'll go right back to the lines, and that is this apparently, once you, if you're able to give in and begin to do it, is such a joyful experience.
Is there some little danger that you'll get out there and won't want to come back?
No, no, you'll be recalled no matter how long you want to stay out.
You eventually will be recalled, and you might come back so fast that you may feel like as if you've dropped from the ceiling or been slammed into your body.
Because the paralysis that I'm talking about, all it takes is for someone to touch you or a loud noise or for you, like I said, to concentrate on moving a small part of your body to completely 100% reconnect.
If you are awake and you've had this paralysis and you wake up and you're still partially paralyzed, I would say that's definitely or more of a medical problem.
Okay, if it's a loud shrieking sound, see, generally, it manifests in a high-pitched sound or a roaring of the wind or a roaring sound or a water sound or a musical note or the buzzing.
And this is what's interesting, and it goes into a lot of detail, is that when you achieve that ultrastate or disconnect from the physical, you are very aware of people's thoughts.
And if you think about if every, if you had 100 people in a room and they were all talking at the same time, it would be this horrific noise that you would not be able to understand.
And a lot of times, Robert Monroe, I think he called it the in-band noise.
A lot of times you hear thoughts.
I mean, and it can be incredible and loud.
I think that's pretty much possibly what the person may be experiencing.
And I'm taking a little bit different bent than you are.
I was a Catholic monk trained in Tibetan meditation for many years.
I'm no longer religious, but I come from basically religious and now into the scientific.
So I'm kind of looking at it differently.
We were trained that there is no physical paralysis.
If you can, you've heard of that phrase, mind over matter.
Well, we were trained soul over mind over matter.
And the word that you used, this reconnection, we were taught that that's exactly what it is, but I think you're looking at it from a scientific perspective in that when you are in a relaxed state,
and I believe me, I agree with about 95% of everything you say, when you're in this relaxed state, whether it's at night or sleeping or through meditation, this soul comes out or you come into this soul state.
And when you become conscious that you're in this soul state, you are, we're basically a physical being, and that's a mental and physical being, and you try to get your soul to control your physical, and you can't do it because that connection is not there.
The soul cannot tell the physical body to move.
So when you use the word paralysis, I think, you know, it's a catchy word, but it's a negative word in that you can't move, there's negativity there.
Really, if you have this understanding that you're going into this soul state, then you don't have that fear.
And that's what we were trained.
And I'm a little bit nervous because I'm not used to talking on the phone.
But can you see it a little bit from my perspective?
So to be able to talk to this person about the experience that they're having, I think paralysis seems to be a kind of a universal word that people understand.
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I agree.
But I think that if you interject the I instead of an understanding that it's more of a soul state that they don't have to worry about.
And my portfolio, I'd say 50% of the artwork in my portfolio came to me in dreams and altered states.
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Interesting.
Well, the reason I brought that up is that, you know, as I said, mind over over, excuse me, soul over mind over matter.
We were taught that when you get, through meditation, when you get to this state of soul, of that we had priceless pieces of artwork at the Abbey where I was.
And as you probably know, being an artist, when you draw something, you as an artist are taking the essence like out of a tree and you're mixing it with your soul.
And then you're putting the essence of the tree, your interpretation of the essence of the tree, and your soul on the canvas.
And so that's there forever, your soul and the essence of the tree on there.
Well, we were taught how to go out of this, in this altered state, to the soul state of ourselves, and then go into the artwork to join with the soul of the artist and the essence of the tree.
Well, you know, I didn't know that's what I was doing, but I would say it came so naturally that I didn't have to think about it.
I just would get these visions and pictures in my head of scenes, and I would just feel compelled to draw them.
I drew the cover at work at one of the major aerospace companies in Southern California.
It came to me right in the middle of doing something that was related to my job, and I had to stop everything I was doing and draw the cover of the book.
Well, you know, basically, Art, when you begin to meditate and achieve an altered state, what you're doing is you're quieting the mind.
And when you quiet the mind, it is helpful to focus in on one specific thing.
And that's what you were doing.
You were looking at this possibly one or two bumps on the ceiling.
I tell people that you can also do the same thing and have something manifest where you have an actual experience by focusing on maybe the number one or a triangle or a square or a circle, just something very, very simple.
Because like I said, when you quiet the mind, you do have these ultrastates or these experiences.
And if you think about it, an ultra-state of consciousness is sort of a hypnotic trance or something.
I would say yes, definitely.
Something I want to mention, Art, because there's a lot of people out there who are having OBEs or are close to having them and aren't aware of the clues and symptoms.
I want to mention a few things that people will maybe able to relate to.
And I ask this in all my lectures that I do up and down the coast and into various places in the country.
One of those is that if you fly in your dreams, whether you think you're really having a flying dream or not, that is a clue that you may be having an OBE or close to one.
Another one is one of the callers mentioned vibration.
See, Being in Southern California, all of us feel vibrations out here, but this is more like an oscillation where it's steady.
And that's a clue.
Another one is if you hear the loud noises as we spoke of, the buzzing or the roaring.
Another one is the paralysis.
And this is something that I wasn't aware of and scared me to death.
But a lot of people have heard their names being called right before drifting off to sleep or right in the morning when they're about to wake up.
And this is the last one that may be a clue, is if you wake up twice.
Now, that means you wake up, you think you're awake, and you may even go to the bathroom or walk around the house or fall out of the bed and then suddenly realize that you never did any of these things, that you were really sleeping.
You know, and then there are some possible explanations of what she may be experiencing.
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Okay, okay, well, let me finish.
And so anyway, the last time that I had this one certain one where I see this little boy in the hospital, he put his hand on my chest, and I have in the past had a heart murmur, an extra heartbeat, I guess.
And I've had EKGs to show this, and I've been on Atenolol, which is they treat the extra heartbeat and high blood pressure with this medication.
Well, the little boy put his hand on my heart, and he said, I want your heart to be healed.
And all of a sudden, I just shot up in bed, and ever since that day, I have not had my heart problem.
And I immediately went off the medication, and I have never had that problem since.
Well, I've heard some similar stories where people have gone and experienced things with a child or their mother or a dead aunt or whatever.
Guides are there for you, but they don't always present themselves exactly as you would think.
Like if they feel that they are a male entity or female, they may present themselves to you as a child so you feel less threatened, so you feel comfortable.
And that happens quite often.
And the fact that it manifested physically by healing you also tells me that it's possibly an angel kind of encounter or a guide type of thing.
Or it could be someone who is that, you know, because I believe in reincarnation.
It could be a soulmate of yours that is still on the other side, that is caring for you or loves you and is able to help you.
You know, I've heard that, but to me, seeing that I have done it so many times, I mean, not just once, not just twice, not even just 50 times, so many times, and none of those things, negative things have happened, I can only share with someone some experience that I've had.
And I haven't had anyone try to take my body.
I would say this, though, that all spirits you meet aren't forthright and all-knowing and angelic.
Of course, they're going to have their human personalities and traits, and they may try to play games with you or something like that.
But you've got to realize that you're no more defenseless.
I was so excited to turn on the show tonight and find out what the topic is.
It's something that I've been experiencing since I was about 16 years old, and you can't really talk to your friends about it.
You know, I've spoken to my husband several times, and sometimes he raises an eyebrow, and I've kind of cut that a little bit.
But I've been having OBEs since I was about 16, like I said, a couple times a month, and I wasn't quite sure what to do with them, and sometimes you get scared, and I didn't know a lot about it.
And I want to say to, I do have a couple questions, but I do want to tell people that many times I've had the dreaded paralysis also, scared the bejeebies out of me.
And sometimes I'd go straight through, and sometimes I would just be caught in that paralysis.
And I really didn't know how they were connected.
And then I started reading about astral projection and trying to get some answers.
And I read the most important thing.
I read that when the paralysis happens, calm down.
Instead of trying to fight it, and you get frantic and you want to wake up and you want to move something and it gets crazy, relax.
And now, like I said, this was about six months ago that I actually was to the point where I can control it, that I really could just calm myself down and go through.
And one interesting thing, I've not had the paralysis since.
And I don't know if that's that I just now maybe I just go through and sometimes when I go to sleep I try to concentrate and I actually feel myself going there and I get really excited then I go calm down calm down right and I just and I just slip right through and there I am when you feel excited your heart starts beating up oh yeah and that usually keeps you grounded yeah and then when you calm down then you release no no offense Al but no offense Al but if enthusiasm keeps you from getting airborne how do you ever travel?
Actually, one more comment is that the best time seems to be during light sleep for me when I wake up in the morning and I can doze off for just a few minutes.
And it happens then or for a quick nap in the afternoon.
I sometimes go in, lay down for a quick nap.
I go right there, fly around for a while, come back.
It's amazing.
And one thing I wanted to ask, a couple quick questions, is I can do what I call being in both worlds.
And is that unusual?
I'll be flying, which is my favorite thing to do.
It's just the most amazing thing.
And I'll hear the trash truck out front.
And I'm lying there while I'm flying, and I go, oh, and I curse the trash truck.
I believe that chemicals, illegal drugs and legal drugs like alcohol, things like that, inhibit or sometimes prevent you from having an out-of-body experience.
Sometimes, but there are some drugs that people have claimed that they have had these experiences.
But what I say is this is a very, very natural thing.
And you don't want to do something that's possibly going to cause you some physical damage to your body.
Because it's very easy to do it very naturally.
And if you do it naturally, you can do it over and over again without worrying about any ramifications like being locked up.
Oh, yeah, because like I said, just because you haven't had the paralysis doesn't mean that some of these other things that I mentioned, the flying, the buzzing, the vibration, those are all still symptoms of the same thing.
Well, in my book, Chapter 14, I list about five different techniques that I've not only tested on myself, I've tested on all my students, on my family, my mother, my son, and I have a lot of success with these techniques.
Try one until you feel very comfortable with.
Another thing, since we're all up early in the morning right now, one thing that I found that works for me too is sleep deprivation.
And since we're all up now, I challenge or I suggest that those of you who are going back to sleep after this show, try to lay there and relax your body one muscle at a time, like I said, and see if your body falls asleep.
I can't believe that if we do have a soul, and I do believe we have one, that there's anything wrong with examining it, with trying to get in touch with it, or traveling with it.
I didn't realize that people still did that in the 90s.
But my only response to that was, I could respect that a lot more if at least he'd read my book.
You know, this doesn't threaten anybody's religion because in all religions it talks about that we are spirit, that we are sparks of God.
And just because, I mean, people did it in the Bible and in other books in the past, that doesn't mean that that is only for people who've lived thousands of years ago.
No, we are still the same spiritual beings.
Yes, we can still do these things.
This is nothing new.
This subject has been hidden in the occult category for so long, and that's where it got all these fearful condemnations.
But it's out of that category now and into a new category, and it's okay.
As a matter of fact, I think it would reconfirm any spiritual beliefs or religious beliefs that you may have.
Well, you know, Al, about 100 years ago, we'd have put you up on this big piece of wood, and we'd have put kindling wood under you, and we'd have lit you up.
And this is an alert for those of you who like to see really interesting things.
In about the next 20 minutes, within the next 20 minutes, depending on where you are, the space shuttle is going to re-enter, and at about this time of the morning, it's a hell of a view.
Now, I don't know what parts of the country are going to get the best view of it, but within the next 20 minutes, the shuttle is going to come screaming back.
And on occasion, you can see this wonderful long orange streak as the shuttle flies across the horizon.
Sometimes, if you're close enough, you'll hear a gigantic boom.
But this is the shuttle warning.
About the next 20 minutes.
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Even though I think the middle class is being eroded away, because most people are doing relatively okay, we haven't seen that balance of power shift yet.
If that gets higher, I think we got a real problem.
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I don't see governments Being supportive of this kind of rising up of people asserting their frustrations, we're looking at a very historic time beginning to emerge right now.
Now we take you back to the night of September 25th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And I, when I was 16, I used to have out-of-body experiences.
And with the buzzing you were talking about, I didn't really, I had that, but I also, after I left my body, I'd be like up above, I felt like.
And I felt like I was spinning around really fast.
I don't know what that was.
And I didn't really know a whole lot about it, but I didn't really go anywhere.
I kind of went around my house and that, just simple things.
And then after I read about it and I started getting into it more, something else started happening.
I would go into the paralysis and go beyond that and I would go into like a dream.
It wasn't like an out-of-body experience.
It was more like a dream.
Weird things would go on, you know, just how dreams are.
But I could control it like an out-of-body experience.
And then they started turning into like nightmares.
And then I would try to come out of it, to wake up, and I would have to say, I found, you know, I thought if I said, you know, I want to wake up, that I could, you know, come out of it.
And I couldn't say it.
And then finally, if I did say it, I would think that I woke up, you know, I would, you know, sit up in bed, but the dream, you know, the nightmare would continue.
And I'd have to do this five or six times before I would actually wake up.
So in the beginning, you said you could control it.
See, you know, it's kind of like you're driving down the freeway and a car cuts in front of you and instead of using the wheel to maneuver out from the way of the car, meaning change lanes, what you did is you panicked and put your hands over your eyes.
Yeah.
If you thought about it, you still have control of the car.
You still can do stuff.
But you forgot that you had that control because of what happened visually or whatever your sensors, your sensory septile, your senses picked up.
You still have control.
Even when you think it's a horrifying dream.
In the beginning, when I had lucid dreams, I would dream, you know, I'm afraid of ghosts.
At least I have been up until recently.
And I would have dreams of ghosts chasing me or haunted mansions and things like that.
And all of a sudden, I would be very aware, oh yeah, I'm dreaming.
And being very aware of that I was dreaming, I would just change the dream.
And I wouldn't forget, because of the terrifying experience, that I could.
And I did.
And you can always fly away.
You can even change the situation.
Another thing you mentioned that's very interesting is we haven't touched on is that when you get into the paralysis, there are so many forks in the road that you, there's so many avenues that you can choose.
One of them is creating a dream.
And I've done that numerous times.
And that's when you relax and let go.
And instead of rising above, you start visualizing things.
And you can create a dream to experience.
But you've got to remember, you are the actor and director of this play.
You haven't lost control in any way, shape, or form.
So don't forget that just because something happens that you didn't expect.
I spoke to you before the show, so I figured that didn't count.
I'd like to say that this, of all programs in the last three or four months at my station down here, which went off the air at six, but I did want to speak to Al, this is the finest program that I've experienced.
I haven't heard them all, but I've heard many.
There's almost an entire correspondence between what Al has been saying and what I have been learning in the past 20 years through my connection with a group based out of a town a little south of Plagstaff, Arizona.
I would just caution Al.
Well, it's not so much that I'm cautioning.
You had a guest last week, Art, who said, Ouija boards, throw them out of the house.
Very often, we get wrapped up in playing with the powers that come to us as we develop.
It's very important, I believe, and many do, not to become attached to the powers and not to be attached to the journey to the ultimate realization of beingness and the totality of all.
These are only stops on the way, but we shouldn't be unduly interested in what we could manifest on the way to the experience of total self-awareness.
I've known a lot of people who have seen children in dreams and then all of a sudden they have a little boy or they know they're going to have a little boy and sure enough they do and the kid grows up to look just like the child they saw in their dream.
That happens all the time because like I said, they come to you and they stay around you observing you and to pick you, to choose you.
Well, you know, sometimes, see, if you were to stay out of body for a long time, then come back, your body wouldn't be as tired.
But you sound like you're not leaving completely, or maybe you leave for a little while and you come back and then you go through a dream state type of thing, a restless sleep.
Right.
The only thing I can say is that try some of the techniques I put in my book.
They work to the point where you'll be out and you won't be in that dream state and you won't be tossing and turning.
And do the relaxation, the visualization, and things may smooth out for you.
Regarding the condemnation that you heard from other people, like I said, with this thing I found that everybody is an expert, but few of them are really experiencers.
So just take it with a grain of salt, and that's where they're coming from.
It really has nothing to do with your experience.
Think of it as your experiences are powerful, and what your little girl said doesn't sound demonic.
I mean, if she has experience with Jesus, what could be demonic about that?
unidentified
That sounds almost hypocritical to say that it is.
Yeah, a lot of people have experiences like that where they go to their old house because what's happening is, you know, there may be a part of you that is very comfortable and drawn to that.
And if you're in that state, you can create it or even experience the old house, and it doesn't matter what time period because there are no time limitations.