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Sept. 24, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Caroline Davies - Egyptology

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Good to be here.
		And in a moment, we are going to speak with somebody named Caroline Davies.
		Caroline is very much involved, just got back, I believe, from Egypt, has worked with Graham Hancock, Robert Baval, those sorts.
		I think she's got a lot to say about the Sphinx and the pyramids.
		And as you know, the next cruise I take in 1997 is going to be the Art Bell Terror Cruise for Those Not Afraid to Live Life.
		We're going to Athens, the Greek Islands, we're going to Rome.
		We're going to Pompeii.
		We're going to Alexandria, Egypt.
		We're going to the Pyramids and the Sphinx.
		So we'll touch all those areas and many more.
		On the 97 Cruise, we'll be telling you about that tomorrow.
		Tonight, we're going to talk a little bit about the Sphinx and the Pyramids with Caroline, who's been kind enough to get up in the middle of the night.
		So all that coming up, a couple of more quick items.
		One is we've got two spectacular things now on the webpage that you don't want to miss.
		One, the moving video with audio of Arts parts.
		You just download them and run them in Windows.
		That's all there is to it.
		And I'm getting tons of reaction to that.
		Tons of it.
		People saying, holy mackerel.
		I would not have believed until I saw it.
		That's why we put it up there for you.
		The other is a new crop circle in Canada.
		That's right, Canada.
		We've got an aerial photograph of an incredible crop circle in Saskatchewan.
		And in all the investigation thus far, there is no sign that this was hoaxed in any way.
		There are two circles, 42 feet in diameter, a piece, in a wheat field near a mine in Saskatchewan.
		And if you want to see it, we've got that photograph this morning on the webpage.
		It is www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell.com.
		And this is the first Canadian crop circle I've got a good photograph of, so I thought you might want to see it.
		And those of you in Canada certainly might want to see it.
		Now down, I think, to the Los Angeles area.
		And Caroline Davies.
		Caroline, are you there?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is nice of you to get up in the middle of the night like this.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to be a great surprise for people who know me.
		When I'm in Los Angeles, I'm usually in bed by 10 o'clock in the night.
		If I'm in New York, I'm up all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see, which is where you were when I called you, and so I made you get up in the middle of the night.
		Caroline, tell us a little bit about yourself.
		Tell us about Caroline.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I may start perhaps by when you earlier introduced me, I know we've only had a really small amount of time to talk with each other and do the spontaneous phone call.
		I've actually been in England, actually Britain more specifically, for the past two or three months.
		Okay.
		But what did take me to Egypt before that was being part of a team of documentarians and scientists who were redating the Age of the Sphinx through geology.
		I was working with John West at that time, and we finally made a documentary internet on NBC.
		Richard Hoagland is someone else that we cross paths with, and I know you speak to him quite frequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did that documentary run on NBC?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		1993.
		And again, in 1994.
		It's since then being distributed to Arts and Entertainment Discovery Channel, and Europe has had its own version as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it called?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Mystery of the Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Mystery of the Sphinx.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Actually, it was a great thing to be a participant of because up until that time, networks weren't really airing documentaries of that ilk, you know, the mystery kind.
		And it really broke that paradigm, and we had great ratings for that year, and all the networks got really excited.
		And that's why you've seen a slew of documentaries like that over the past few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was controversial because it attempted to date the Sphinx to what date, and how did that collide with traditional thought on the subject?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think really we still have a very nebulous date.
		Dr. Robert Schaub from Boston University, who is the major geologist that's been working on this project since at least 1991, maybe 1990, he is saying that it's probably 7,000 to 9,000, or it was built 7,000 to 9,000 B.C. We don't have evidence that that's the exact date.
		I have a personal feeling, and I think it's probably much older than that at this particular point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much older?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I could say anything from maybe 10,000 years older to beyond.
		My particular feeling about this subject is that over the past maybe five to ten years, there have been areas in different parts of the world where anthropologists, geologists, and other disciplines besides archaeologists and Egyptologists have been going and discovering that we have actually miscalculated a lot of our history and put dates on things that weren't really accurate.
		And I have a feeling maybe any time from the next year, two, three, or four, that there will be so much that's come forward in the public eye of realization that we have been miscalculating our history and who we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could we miss it by that much?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean the age of the Sphinx?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that when we are going to university Or to school, that we have a perpetual cycle of education standards, and within those, we have a certain amount of textbooks.
		And I know that from a couple of centuries ago, when we were bringing artifacts out of different areas, that we didn't have as much knowledge about certain places as we do now, and it's something that's been handed down.
		I think that today our world of academics have a lot at stake in the fact that they've spent their lives being educated about one idea and what it is, and then they've gone off and taught that same idea.
		And we get rigid as human beings and don't give ourselves a lot of space or flexibility to realize that we might have made a mistake or that we can change our minds and come to new understandings.
		The fact that the Sphinx is thousands of years older just displaces our line of history and how humanity has developed at that time.
		I mean, even if the Sphinx was built, you know, during 7,000 or 8,000 BC, who was on the planet at that time that could build such an extraordinary sculpture as the Sphinx?
		I mean, it's built, carved out of one piece of limestone bedrock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me turn that question on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who could have been?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's interesting, isn't it?
		I'm not sure.
		I don't tend to make a lot.
		I sort of think in two ways.
		I'm far more intuitive person, creative person, artistic person, feeling person.
		So I'll go along and I might have several ideas or see a point of view from quite a few perspectives.
		If I'm going to get intellectual, academic about something, then I don't generally make choices or decisions until I know all the facts or as many of the facts as I can possibly come to.
		So we could sort of think up a lot of different things.
		I know that you're aware of Zechariah Sitchin's work, for example.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have him on at the end of the week, yes.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		You do.
		Okay, I think his work is fantastic.
		And, you know, we might look at his work a little bit more deeply and look at the Anunnaki and the legacy left to us from the idea of extraterrestrial civilizations.
		We have the idea that perhaps it's a remnant of Atlantis.
		Then we have the connection with the face on Mars.
		I think Richard's done really excellent work on correlating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were forced to lean toward one of the above, which would you lean toward?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I would lean toward Zachariah Sitchin's idea of the Anunnaki, of the combinations of beings and the genetic work that was going on at that time.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		It's a real wild guess art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's fine.
		I live in the world of wild guesses.
		All right.
		If that's the case, then the next big question is, what is the purpose of the Sphinx, of the pyramids?
		And if you lean in that direction, then what would you guess for with regard to a purpose?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that opens a huge can of worms, doesn't it?
		Because when you ask me that, I'm going, well, I don't have quite all the intellectual stuff that needs to go with that to say that.
		I've had personal experiences with the pyramids on the Geyser Plateau.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's talk about that because we do a yearly cruise, you know, and I changed the cruise coming up.
		We were going to do one cruise of the Eastern Med, and I said, no, I want to go see the pyramids.
		And I have felt drawn to the pyramids and to the Sphinx for a very long time, so I'm going to do it.
		I'm just plain going to do it.
		I want to go, and I don't know why I feel drawn to it, but I do.
		And so you were there.
		You tell me and tell everybody what's there.
		What do you feel?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I could say that when you tell me that about your particular feelings about it, to me, on that level, it's a place of transformation.
		I mean, I would have to expect and anticipate that the astronomical data that's being collected and all that is absolutely relevant and very important.
		That's not my field.
		As I said, my field is more in the feeling senses, and I would say transformation.
		I have seen extraordinary things happen to people, including myself, in that particular area of the world.
		And I've had the privilege of being able to spend time inside the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid and time absolutely alone on the Giza Plateau by myself.
		I mean, I've had some extraordinary things happen, and it was a life-changing.
		The first time I went to Egypt changed my life forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Explain.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was on a completely different direction in my life.
		I was actually trying to become a businesswoman.
		I had a marriage that I'd left, and I'd sort of been about nine or ten months out of that and was back into producing, working with producers and things like that, just getting my feet on the ground after that.
		And out of the blue, I had a knock on the door from an old business acquaintance of mine that I'd worked for years and years and years before.
		He said, oh, I found you.
		I thought I'd drop in for tea.
		Well, we started talking, and he hadn't known of my photography work because that's probably what I'm best known for above and beyond anything else.
		And, you know, he's telling me about, oh, do you want to see some photographs of mine?
		And he said, well, sure.
		So I showed him, and he said, oh, my God, I didn't know you could do this.
		So it's a long story.
		I told him the long story, and he said, well, I really think you should come to Egypt with us because you can do something really special.
		So I said, okay, well, I didn't even own cameras at that time.
		And so I got on the phone and called some friends and ended up borrowing a couple of really old funky Nikons to do this trip with.
		And really, because I hadn't done photography seriously for a while, I just prayed that I would come back with one really amazing photograph.
		Well, there are so many levels of experiences that I had from that one meeting that since then my whole life has been about, I mean really I'm only at the beginning of it, it's probably going to take me a lifetime to do, but once I did that, I Could see and feel very clearly that I had an opportunity to be able to photograph these ancient sacred sites that we've been thinking about more and more lately, and that I would do that.
		So, basically, I stayed with the Sphinx Project for just about three years.
		And I left the team in post-production.
		And once I moved on from that, although John and I still, you know, we're still doing photographic work and when we can help each other, we do.
		While I was in Egypt, I decided that I felt that there was a connection with Britain as well, with the ancient stones.
		I mean, that's one example of changing my life.
		I think on a spiritual level, that it was a grounding platform for me.
		I think that very often with people who have a spiritual bent or ilk, we'll often talk about going to Egypt and having what they call ascending initiations.
		And for me, it was very much a descending initiation.
		I'd had a lot of resistance about working in this particular world and the way it is.
		I found it very aggressive, very angry.
		It was a lovely and beautiful world, but I didn't really really want to participate in the world that much.
		So I wasn't what you would call a grounded, ambitious business person.
		And that project and that experience, particularly going back to the Giza Plateau, was one of those that just made such a huge imprint on me that I haven't been able to give up this particular aspect of my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You spent time in the king's chamber.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that like?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, my observation is that it's different for everybody.
		And I've seen amazing things happen to various people personally.
		For me, I've gone in there when there have been a group of ten people and then on numerous occasions when there have been groups of just four people, you know, for very long periods of time, six to eight hours.
		What happened to me continuously was that I always chose to go and just lie on my back in the very center of the king's chamber.
		And once I did that, it was as though I can only describe the feeling as being dead.
		It wasn't scary or anything like that.
		It's just that my body could not move.
		And then what has happened to me consistently is whether my eyes are open or closed is being able to see that famous eye that we always associate with the pyramid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean almost a paralysis?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
		I don't discount this at all.
		I have talked to so many people now, like yourself, who have been in the king's chamber, they find it difficult to describe what happened to them, but it was transformational.
		You know, it sounds like touchy-feely stuff, but I think it's real.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I must say it was a very kind experience for me.
		And numerous other people I've seen have had visions, have had out-of-body experiences.
		I have seen in very short periods of time, actually the toughest of the toughest people that you could possibly imagine go in there and come out in tears and going, you know, I'm going to change my life.
		And I have seen them change their lives.
		I witnessed a very, very young man.
		He was only in his early 20s and he hadn't quite learned, well, he was very arrogant.
		And so he was nice to people who thought were powerful.
		And if he thought you were nobody, he treated you that way.
		And he found someone and got himself locked in the pyramid for the night.
		And he had a very horrifying experience.
		I mean, you know, he survived it to tell it.
		But what was so miraculous was that once he went through that experience, he became the nicest young man that you could possibly imagine.
		I mean, it was like night and day.
		I've seen this.
		So it has layers and layers of purposes.
		I mean, it's just not, you know, whatever hypotheses we have on it on a technical level, there's got to be that.
		But there's this doorway, this energetic doorway that exists.
		The Giza Plateau for me is one of those places where I feel very gifted, very taken care of.
		I've had a lot of the times my work takes me into areas where I'll take a tumble or a fall.
		I get very excited and very adventurous when I'm doing what I'm doing.
		And one time I fell off probably an eight-foot wall and fortunately only injured my back a little bit, but I was down there as one and had to deal with that.
		And I was back, when I went back up to the plateau, it was one night and I was completely healed from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caroline, I got a call from London a few days ago from Robert Baval.
		And, you know, he's co-author with Graham Hancock, as you all know.
		And he was, I'm going to use the word freaked out.
		He said there is some of the most dramatic news about the Sphinx and the pyramids, and incredibly dramatic news.
		And he wouldn't tell me what it was.
		Hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour here, and we'll come right back to you.
		Maybe you've got a hint of what it is, and we'll ask you when we come back, or maybe you don't, and we'll hold the suspense.
		I don't know.
		Talking a little bit about the Sphinx and the pyramids at Kiza.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is the American CBC Radio Network.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am, and we will have Graham Hancock and Robert Buval here, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		And they will talk about the...
		But there's more to those things, those artifacts, than just the hardware and the secrets that may lie beneath.
		There is the spiritual side of these things, and clearly there is something to it.
		Here, talking mainly about that is Caroline Davies, who has participated in some of the major works, documentaries done on this subject.
		Caroline, are you there?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		As I said, I got a kind of a strange call from Robert Buval.
		You know, he doesn't get excited that easily, but he was really very excited.
		He said there was something going on there that everybody needed to know about.
		I know that they're talking about opening a chamber.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I was already aware of that.
		So there's something else that they're on to that he didn't tell me about.
		Do you have any idea what that means?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		And, you know, I've not met Robert Buffal at all.
		I'm wondering if, you know, they have a conference in a symposium this weekend dealing with these subject matters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering if they're saving it for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose they are, and that's probably why he wouldn't tell me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'll hear about it Saturday morning.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Have a piece of candy, but no, you can't eat it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you are.
		All right.
		I just got a fact.
		Somebody said, hey, in this Sunday's Seattle Times, there was an interesting story about the age of man in Australia.
		Scientists claim to have found evidence of modern man that were estimated to be about 176,000 years old.
		Now, that shouldn't be.
		Just as the Sphinx and the pyramids shouldn't, according to traditional conventional science, be as old as you say.
		We keep finding things older and older and older.
		How's science going to deal with this?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be very interesting.
		Well, right now, they're not dealing with it.
		Well, they're dealing with it, but how can I say this?
		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kicking and screaming.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes, really, yes.
		I mean, when you look back, even on the debates that have occurred over the past few years with the Sphinx Project, the Geological Association's conference in 1991, the American Association for the Advancement debate that was held in 1992.
		You know, I just sort of looked back on some of this work the other night and I could see that it's just very difficult for them.
		And at some point, it's going to be like the hundredths monkey syndrome, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		You know, where it's just going to be too much.
		And we'll have, I think I was alluding to this earlier, at some point we'll have so much more information than we have now that we'll be able to rewrite the textbooks all at once.
		And, you know, they'll serve us for another period of time.
		But don't you see as we've been, you know, when we look back on our history and this really interesting time that we're in right now, and we talk about there being things beyond the mechanical side of things or the technological side of things, that we're just really starting to be able to appreciate that and experience it and see it ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I try to look at both.
		And while Graham's work and Robert Boval's very interesting, very interesting on the mechanical kind of side of things, there is another side to these.
		You know what are they, Caroline?
		Are these monuments?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I don't personally believe that.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that's not the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that they have to serve multi-level purposes, such as we have multi-dimensional purposes, you know, and I think that even people's individual abilities can serve them either in a fully expanded way so they've got full sight or in a very limited way.
		I think these monuments are monuments.
		I think they're reminders.
		I think we can put a lot of different meanings to them.
		I think that they have important latitudal, longitudinal messages in them.
		I think they were used for technical reasons.
		And I think alongside of that, there is a spiritual access to them.
		And maybe that's what we can aspire to when we get a grasp on this about what balance is.
		You know, we've had an industrial time where we haven't, or we've been losing the balance of, you know, a positive spiritual life.
		And, you know, maybe that's one of the things we can garner from these areas.
		I mean, certainly when I'm going around and photographing ancient sites, you know, some people say, why are you photographing these old stones?
		And I'm just hoping that when I get my bodies of works together and people are viewing them, that in some way they can be touched by something beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say to somebody who would say, oh man, all this is too touchy-feely for me.
		What a bunch of baloney.
		This is rock.
		It's just rock.
		You go over there and have a spiritual experience.
		It's all in your own head.
		What do you say to that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I agree with them.
		For them, it would be, don't you think?
		If they feel, if they're expressing that so strongly and that's what they feel, how I mean, it's not that it may not be their path or their life experience to go there and be surprised and have an experience, but if that's how they perceive it, then that's how they're going to perceive it.
		Personally, I'm not going to try and change anybody's minds because we're all different.
		we are also very, very different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet he went in and just despite his best efforts to stay nasty, I'm sure he had some transformational experience in there.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did.
		The difference between him and someone who may not feel that there is anything other than the physical, you know, this is rock, he had quite a background in expanded consciousness and so on and so forth.
		It's just that very often, even if someone has expanded, well, what I call expanded consciousness, you can figure out what that is, they may be able to say the correct words, but they're not quite able to act out of the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The door is not really open.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I mean, you know, it's a good start.
		Give people credit for being able to at least switch on a plug in their minds.
		But when I'm looking at our revolution that we're having in society, I'm seeing that it looks like there's a process that goes on.
		You know, a light switch goes on and then suddenly goes, oh, yeah, that has some significance, but it takes a while to break the habit, you know, of behaving in a certain way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caroline, hold on just a moment.
		I want to bring some callers online.
		If you have a question for Caroline, she's done extensive work in Egypt, photography, documentary work, and so forth, and has a lot to say about this area.
		You're welcome to come now.
		And we'll take a brief break and then get you on the air.
		If you're east of the Rockies, the number is 1-800-825-5033.
		We'll be right back.
		What in L.A., Caroline?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I'm on the fringes of Los Angeles, actually.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I live in the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you wouldn't mind, a few questions?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Tim from Clear Lake, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, well, golly, after hearing that, it makes me feel a little more comfortable.
		I thought I was weird in the world flying around all over the place.
		No, really.
		And just hearing you, wow, you've got to have her on a special art.
		Anyway, I've had these experiences and these visions in 95.
		I've seen 96 this year.
		I've seen things in 97.
		I've seen things all over the news.
		I've been seeing these.
		And I've got a question to you, Art, about, has anybody ever called you and plainly, straight out said they've ever seen the guys, the big guys with the big eyes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Many people, sir, have said that.
		And whether there is a relationship to what is in Egypt and what is on Mars, I don't know.
		I kind of have this feeling, Caroline, there is.
		I lean toward that.
		What I can see on Mars, the face, the artifacts, the pyramidal shapes, they seem to have a relationship to what's here on Earth that seems somewhat unmistakable to me.
		And you combine that with the recent news about the meteorite and the fact that there was some form of microbial life on Mars millions of years ago.
		And it doesn't seem much of a stretch to me to imagine there was a higher life form on Mars at one time.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought Courtney Brown's work was really interesting, as well as Major Ed Dames, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		All right, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Caroline.
		This is Cindy from Prompt.
		Hello.
		And in 93, I had an experience.
		I'd been really sick, and I'd woke up one morning, and I'd just been out of the hospital for a couple of days.
		And I went into this trance-like, and I was wandering in the land of Egypt, and the sands and the grounds and everything were orchid and had shadows.
		And I was just a young child, and I was in the marketplace, and I was looking for the house in Mosley.
		And when I woke up, I felt really, really bad, and I kept feeling worse and worse.
		And later on that night, I arrested three times.
		And I just, you know, it's just something that I will never, ever forget.
		I mean, it was just so vivid and so beautiful and so real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		Caroline, I've had about two days or three days of really strange calls about people experiencing sleep paralysis, what they call sleep paralysis, suddenly in an apparent wakeful state, unable to move, simply absolutely paralyzed.
		Many of the people who sort of give in to the experience or decide to let it go, which is something I don't think I can do, I haven't been able to yet, begin to talk about out of body or a feeling that they're out of body, that it starts to become an out-of-body experience.
		And so I kind of startled a little when you mentioned lying in the king's chamber and being in a state of paralysis.
		How long did that last?
unidentified		Hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't it terrifying?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I'm very, very lucky.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Of course I have fears in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all do.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		We all do.
		But I seem to have less than the average person.
		So to me, I let's, you know, I mean, this will clear everything up.
		I actually personally believe in the continuation of life.
		And that's not just, I'm saying that.
		I really firmly believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reincarnation.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And so a lot of the things that I do in life, with that, you know, deeply embedded in my subconscious, as deeply as that, I think that you can start letting go of a lot of fears.
		Because what is there to be afraid of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly if reincarnation is a fact, you're absolutely correct.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		What is there to be afraid of?
		There's the unknown.
		And mostly we fear fear.
		Mostly we fear the unknown.
		And so I, having had experiences, you know, and a great solid belief in spirit, I think that I don't think I can come to any harm.
		It doesn't mean that I won't come to any harm, but I have a great trust in all that is.
		I mean, I traveled, and I mean, I just did a 7,000-mile drive around Great Britain all by myself, and spending times in the middle of the night in the most extraordinary places.
		And Egypt was like that for me as well.
		I was fortunate enough to have been given permission to be able to spend a couple of months in the darkest hours before dawn all by myself in these extraordinary temples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you get permission for that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened was that when I finished the first expedition in 1991 with the team, you know, I made this prayer that I'd have one nice photograph.
		I sent the work back to New York And it had a wonderful, wonderful reception.
		And I ended up having a show in New York.
		And suddenly, after trying to become a businesswoman or whatever I was doing, I was an artist.
		While I had the show in New York, the director for the Ministry of Tourism of Egypt saw my work.
		And I'm very, very fortunate, Bill.
		When you look at my work, and you will see it, it's very, very simple in style.
		But I've been blessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually got up in a helicopter to photograph the Sphinx.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That was a great adventure, too, because that was the oldest helicopter that the military had, and I think it's the first helicopter the Russians ever made.
		So it was really old and big and jagged, you know, and it was pretty hazardous.
		I could have been given a harness that somebody else had who wasn't.
		I was leaning out of the back of the helicopter, and there was a liaison person going from me to the I, too, flew from St. Petersburg, Russia, into Moscow on an airflot aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Russian aircraft are, well, let's say it's for those who are interested in experiencing life.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Life's adventures.
		I'm so grateful for it.
		But that's what, you know, when we're talking about fear, you know, we do live on a planet full of fear.
		We're taught fear from the very, very beginning.
		And as I was saying, I'm just blessed.
		I mean, every moment that I spent in those dark hours waiting for the light in the temples, there was never an ounce of fear, but just pure joy that I had the privilege to be able to experience that.
		I mean, to be there by yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I understand.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And wait for the light and have those temples.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really, really extraordinary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Caroline Davies.
		Hi, where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, this is Anna, and I'm a colleague from Mid-Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I have a question.
		I was watching Discovery Channel just the other night, and they were talking about doing some DNA testing on mummy.
		And they had looking at the DNA of the different mummies and found out that the payroll had very narrow data.
		In other words, they were doing a lot of internet on their family.
		And I was wondering if we have an explanation for why they were doing that, was there culture or do you think that the could have defended from collectible origin, yeah?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Technically, that's a question out of my field to give you an accurate answer, really, about the DNA testing and about why they married that way.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		But perhaps it's to keep a purity of their own genetic pool and, you know, on the premise that they are descendants or we are descendants from another race besides what was here, that they were, you know, wanting to create a certain kind of being, I mean, person, human.
unidentified		I really just don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly could confirm some of what you suspect, though.
		It's interesting research.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Kathy from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, I do have a question and a comment for your guest, but I also wanted to know when can Southern California get Dreamland back art because we miss it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll be on KFMB beginning this next Sunday.
unidentified		Outstanding.
		Look forward to it.
		Do you know where that is going to be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And KBC shortly.
		So, yes, 760 from San Diego.
		And then, of course, KABC will carry it soon.
unidentified		Wonderful.
		We've missed it very much.
		When she talked about the paralysis in the king's chamber, I was wondering if she had any kind of mystical visions, if she saw anything, if she experienced anything other than just that state of being of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's a good, fair question.
		Good, fair question.
		Anything beyond apparent paralysis?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		No, other than the eye.
		And what's been interesting about that eye is that that eye has followed me through my next body of work, which I thought was really, really fascinating.
		I like to delve into a country's psyche as much as I possibly can.
		I was born in Britain, although I haven't lived there for any length of time.
		But when I returned to Britain to start working, I've had some really extraordinary experiences with Stonehenge.
		And the first time I've been given access to be able to shoot in Stonehenge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the crop circle?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I'm actually writing a story for Canadian magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are.
		Caroline, Caroline, listen, we're near the top of the hour.
		I'd like to keep you over at least another 30 minutes.
		Can I do that?
		Yes.
		All right, good.
		Stay right where you are.
		And since we're on the subject, since she happened to mention what she believes, I want you to listen to something through the top of the hour that I think you'll find fascinating.
		Listen carefully to the words and see what this suggests to you.
		We'll be back.
unidentified		I was a highwayman.
		Along the crossroads I did ride.
		With sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her bummes to my train.
		Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
		The master taught me in the spring of 25.
		But I am still alive.
		I was a sailor.
		I was born upon the die.
		With the sea I didn't fight.
		I still described upon the middle.
		I went along the world and made the mill.
		And when the eyes broke off, they said that I got killed.
		I've lived still.
		I was a dam builder across the river deep and wide Where steel and water didn't collide A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado I slipped and fell to the wet concrete below This is CBC They buried me in that creature that knows no sound But I'm still
		around Hello?
		Call Art Bell toll-free west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255 1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033
		1-800-825-5033 This is the CBC Radio Network It certainly is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got Caroline Davies on the phone with me She's done documentaries on the Sphinx, the pyramids, has been to Egypt Really all over the world And she mentioned just before the top of the hour For those of you particularly in Canada just joining us Crop Circles Interesting she should mention that because on top of the
		incredible, incredible moving video and audio we have Regarding the testing of arts parts at Redstone Which is awesome I've just been getting the most spectacular replies That's on the web page We have this morning on the web page The first Canadian crop circle That I have ever seen It's an aerial photograph of a rather remarkable double circle A
		large, 42 feet each in diameter In a wheat field in Saskatchewan In Canada So if you would like to see that As of this morning Thanks to Paul I want to thank Paul out there It's called the Rokenville Crop Circle That's R-O-C-A-N-V-I-L-L-E
		Saskatchewan you're going to want to take a look so I would recommend a quick trip up to the website to see the newest good aerial photograph consistent in quality with those others we've had Stonehenge the double helix and so forth Canada Crop Circles in Canada it's www.artbell.com www.artbell.com and we will talk of crop circles in a moment I have a new spot back now
		to Caroline Davies.
		Caroline, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You intrigued me.
		Crop circles.
		I am fascinated with crop circles.
		You mentioned Stonehenge.
		There's 191 circles at Stonehenge.
		Obviously not done by a human being.
		What have you...
		You actually walked in the Stonehenge?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I did.
		I flew over that one and did some aerial shots of that one and went inside and did some interior shots of it.
		And that was one grip that actually my camera equipment just died.
		Oh, no.
		Within quite a few minutes.
		You know, absolutely dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got a wonderful aerial photograph of it.
		I mean, really wonderful, including the circle area and then Stonehenge in the background up on my website.
		It's really incredible.
		What do you think these things are?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's another interesting question, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And the possibilities of what they are until we really know what they are are very intriguing as well.
		I think that they are an expression from our extraterrestrial friends, perhaps interdimensional friends, and perhaps in combination with the energetics of the planet, or Gaia herself.
		That's interesting.
		Yeah.
		The work, the personal internal work that I've done, the shamanic work that I've done, once we're out of this particular realm of reality, it seems as though, if I can be very broad here, you know, we come into these bodies and we seem to lose a memory and a realization that there is so much more to existence and what we can touch with our hands or see with our, you know, with our eyes.
		And once you are out of that particular realm of reality or existence, from my experience, it seems that we are so connected.
		And whether it's the energetic of the planet itself or whether it's extraterrestrials or interdimensional beings, it really doesn't make that much difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't in the sense that it's obviously very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's important in one way or the other, whichever it is.
unidentified		Yes.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from the largest supplier of uranium.
unidentified		Actually, it's Regina, Saskatchewan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Saskatchewan, home of the newest crop circle.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, actually, it is pretty interesting, actually, because you had just said the other day that you had a phone anomaly or something to that effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, and, you know, there was definitely a nominal.
		Like, when it happened just, you know, a while back, you know, something really did happen here, you know.
		And it actually, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, as a matter of interest, were there any sightings there in Saskatchewan or what was attendant with the formation of this crop circle?
unidentified		Well, actually, if I told you I actually know, you know, how it happened, it would probably sound pretty stupid, but I'm kind of nervous, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't, if you know how it happened, go ahead and sound stupid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
unidentified		Well, okay, ever since I've listened to your program, it does seem really knowledgeable.
		Like, you do seem to, it seems to be, you know, you're giving the gift of, you know, knowledge.
		And I don't know, I actually think it has some relation to neutrinos.
		Like, the news, like, I had phoned you before and I had said, you know, my newscast, you know, isn't as good as you, you know.
		And, uh...
		But actually, lately, they've been, you know, telling us more and more, you know, what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the CBC...
		a Canadian CBC did a big report on it I've got it right here yeah it was really intense Yeah, really intense indeed.
		Yes, sir.
		Thank you.
		So there you are.
		I want to know what these things are.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Have you been to them and have you been inside them art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, I have not yet.
		I didn't have enough.
		I was in England, in London here not long ago, but I didn't have enough time.
		And I thought by then it would have been trompled down pretty well.
		I'm sure a million people have been into it.
		What's it like in one?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think everyone is different.
		And when I have been inside, let's see, in 1994, I was introduced to the circles in 1990, 91 through a man called David Percy, who was showing me some correlations.
		And then I went back in 94 and started photographing some of the circles in the grapefield.
		And then last year, I went back and dropped in on the Crop Circles Symposium that's held in Glastonbury.
		Checked them out just as a very interested, you know, I'm not what you would call an official researcher, but, you know, I want to know what's going on.
		And then this year I did it as a journalist because I want to put together an article for a Canadian magazine.
		And this year was the most interesting because I felt I was able to delve deeper because I am putting an article together.
		And in my travels, not only at the symposium but some of the other people I interviewed, I also interviewed a man who is actually not very well liked by a lot of the people in the crop circle research field, a man called Rob Irving.
		And he was introduced to me by a magazine that I've been doing some work with because they said to me, we know somebody who makes them.
		Do you want to meet him?
		And I said, absolutely.
		Up until that point, who physically makes them.
		So I said, of course I want to talk to this person and see what their story is.
		Well, you know, what goes on generally in life, we sort of tend to make judgments and assumptions about what people are up to, and sometimes we're right, a lot of the time we're wrong.
		And having only dealt predominantly with people that were absolutely in belief that they could not be made by people, that they had to have another worldly source or an extra, you know, worldly source, I found Robbie Irving to be very, very interesting.
		He was very, very convincing.
		I've always left open an area where the possibility of people being able to make them Well, let's discuss Stonehenge for a second in that light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, here we have what, covering about 10 acres, 191 circles, and we have testimony, a written affidavit from a pilot who flew over the area, and then 15 minutes flew back over the area.
		And then the crop circle was there.
		Now, that would have been quite a chore for your man or anybody else's.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I don't think a person made that one either.
		I don't think people make perhaps that many, but I certainly know that they make some.
		And what I found interesting, now this all gets mixed up because people are very, very passionate, as you know, about these, and they're very passionate about their research and what they're doing.
		So I really, really understand that.
		I decided to stand objectively out of the ring of passion and out of the ring of what these are and just sort of look objectively at everybody's stories.
		Say that there are groups of people who have become pretty good at making these.
		You know, they've got their craft down, they've been practicing for a while, they made some bad ones and they got it down.
		What my observation of this and correlating all my material is that with some of these glyphs that people are making is that the effect of them actually isn't different than the ones that our unknown friends are.
		In that sense, people go in and they'll have healing experiences or mystical experiences.
		They'll be able to be doused.
		Or the people, it's been said, that are making them will have phenomena happen around them.
		Or, you know, one guy will make a, I've been told this story by a very reliable source that one guy was sitting down and quite a few times had drawn what he was going to do and then he would turn up in the field and it would be there.
		Stories like that make it very fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What is also fascinating though is that many of the larger ones have had the affected crops tested.
		Dr. Levingood tests a lot of them.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there are molecular changes that cannot be produced with men with boards and chains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Period.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I believe that, Art, and that's what makes this very, very interesting because, again, you know, sort of watching this objectively, is it not possible that one of the messages, obviously a lot of people are interpreting these a lot of different ways and everybody's probably got a piece of the pie.
		Is it possible that one of the things that these circles or glyphs are teaching us is that in this particular period of time in our history when we're in a revolution, we're growing up, we're awakening, we're in the quickening, I've heard that term used as well, that it's also to show us that we have abilities beyond what we realize.
		You know the power of the mind is extraordinary.
		are suggesting is that they may come from us They may come from us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		How do you mean that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly the way I just said it.
		In other words, some of these may come from our own beings.
		They may be projected by people.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Or perhaps it's, yes, that's a possibility.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps it's also a form of communication that's begun, open communication or equal communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're mathematical.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		That's what makes them so spectacular and beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, all right.
unidentified		This is Willie, and I'm calling from St. Louis, Missouri?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to ask your guest a two-part question and then ask you one final question.
unidentified		I'll give it all to you at one time, if that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go.
unidentified		Okay, Ms. Caroline.
		I was interested in you explaining in what manner or what the methodology that is used in dating a stone structure such as the Sphinx.
		Obviously, carbon dating can't be used or it would have been nailed down already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how do you date them?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the Sphinx in this particular case has been dated according to geology.
		When you look at the body of the Sphinx and the Sphinx enclosure, I don't know if you have seen a close-up photograph or if you can bring it to mind, you'll see that the Sphinx is built from a ditch.
		When you look at the walls of the ditch and the weathering on the body of the Sphinx in the parts that haven't been repaired in our history, there are really very deep fissures, some up to seven feet deep.
		When a geologist such as Dr. Scharp from Boston looks at this, he looks at it and goes, oh, this is interesting.
		This weathering can only have been caused by large amounts of precipitation.
		The only time that there was enough precipitation on the plateau was somewhere between four and before 4,000 and 5,000 BC.
		So that's where the dating is coming from.
unidentified		I've heard time frames as far as 10,000 BC.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I've heard time frames beyond 200,000 years.
		I don't really know.
		I mean, I know that it's very, very ancient.
		It's really extraordinary when you go there in these current days and you see the exquisite craftsmanship of something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can't even decide in this current day and age whether we're experiencing global warming or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it's kind of an open question when you look at weathering way back.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		But I guess it's the only way we can begin to that's why we can't give a definitive date on it because we can go, well, okay, we've miscalculated this because we can calculate, well, this amount of, you know, weathering and this shape and so on and so forth must have been done before 4,000 or 5,000 BC because that's when there was rain.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		You know, and again, the specifics haven't been nailed down yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are, Color.
unidentified		I've also wondered, there have obviously been excavations around the structure.
		Have there ever been any attempts possibly to retrieve an item that might have been left behind that could be carbon dated?
		And lastly, I'd like to ask Ark to comment on have any of your remote viewers indicated or given any information at all concerning the dating as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not so much.
		All right, sir.
		Not so much the dating, but the items within the secret chambers lying below the Sphinx.
		What do you think may lie below the Sphinx, Caroline?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I know that there are an enormous amount of tunnels and chambers under the Giza Plateau.
		Edgar Casey and many other mystics and seers have predicted that the infamous Hall of Records are underneath the Sphinx area.
		I think that when you think about the changing sands of time and when you think about the ditch that only takes 20 years to be filled with sand, that we have enormous amounts of clues underneath the earth and that we just haven't dug deep enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He asked about any attendant items that might have been found within that would allow carbon dating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has there been anything like that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of three things could have happened.
		We certainly don't know about it.
		That doesn't mean that it hasn't been found.
		Right.
		Secondly, that there is nothing.
		And thirdly, that there is something and we just haven't found it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		All right.
		Hi, Carolyn.
		Hi.
		I had a couple questions about Egypt.
		First, since we're talking about the chambers, the last I had heard was the opening of those chambers was being blocked because of private enterprise and also supposedly tied in with the Edgar Casey Foundation.
		What's happening now to change all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good question.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		What was the last part of the question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said, what is happening to change all of that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		That I'm not sure.
		I think Graham Hancock actually would be able to answer that much better than I can at the moment.
		But yes, I'm aware of that problem going on.
		It's interesting, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		And do you agree with Graham?
		Graham is just terribly concerned about the way they are proceeding to be shortly opening all of this.
		Do you share that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Not with the passion and intensity that he does.
		Again, you know, things happen in this world that sometimes we don't fully comprehend or fully understand, and that's just a personal belief of mine that steps me sort of sometimes, or keeps me sometimes out of impassioned points of view.
		You know, it's a really, it goes, there's so much to this particular argument that we probably, you know, can't get into right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, how about one more half hour?
		Can you do one more half hour?
		All right, good.
		Stay right there.
		Caroline Davis is my guest.
unidentified		We're discussing Egypt, Eza, the Sphinx, the Pyramids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the American CBC Radio Network.
unidentified		This is the American CBC Radio Network.
		Thank you.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Caroline Davies.
		We'll get back to her in a moment.
		If you're tired of missing the 21st, it will air again this Saturday.
		So if you want to see what happens next, you better be there.
		NBC, Saturday, Dark Skies.
		Caroline Davies, now back, Caroline, are you there?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, lots of people want to talk to you.
		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Carol, thank you, Art.
		It's a privilege.
		Carol, I just wanted to get your opinion of Akhenaten's concept of one God and how this and the pyramids relate to our concept of one God.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's an interesting question.
		I haven't studied Akhenaten deeply.
		However, I have been around many people that have and feel that he was a major and potent and very, very important force in the direction of a history and a spiritual connection.
		That was rather radical, you know, for Egypt at that time when Akhenaten did come along.
		The pyramids, as relating to, are you saying it's symbolically as God?
unidentified		Well, I don't, you know, for me personally, I've always been drawn to the pyramids.
		And for me, there is something about the pyramids that transcends most great objects.
		It almost seems from a purely spiritual, intuitive sense that there is something infinitely universal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have the same feeling about it.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's because whether, you know, let's just look at the tetrahedron for a second, which is pyramidal shape, which technically is a foundation building block for all matter.
		Okay, so we have that affiliation, even though we're talking about a five-sided pyramid technically when we look at the great pyramids of Giza.
		It's a doorway.
		I mean, you know, I think that we can use it, and particularly that King's Chamber, as a doorway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stargate.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
unidentified		It's a real pleasure to speak with you this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm calling from Philadelphia.
		My name's Paul, by the way, by the way.
		But it's really wonderful to hear somebody with your attitude, Miss Davies, toward information and mysteries.
		And it's very inspiring.
		And it's an honor to speak with somebody that has gone to these sites and photographed these things and looked at the Sphinx with the intelligence that you have.
		And what I wanted to ask you, I've been very interested in the Sphinx recently.
		And I've been looking at it and trying to figure which, do you believe that that is the original face that was on the Sphinx?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that I don't think it can be.
unidentified		Right, right.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Could be wrong, but I don't think so.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		It's out of proportion to the rest of the body of the Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a way, if I can break that down, is there a way to computer project what it might have been?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		If you recall, on our documentary art, we had a section where we had the, he's not anymore, but he was at the time the head detective of the forensic department of the New York Police Department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yeah.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And we had him restructure the face from what is left now.
		And it's certainly not the same face that has been attributed to the building of the Sphinx, which is the Ferrotreffrin.
		Right.
		But to me, the face has to have been recarved just because it's out of sync with the rest of the proportional ingenuity that the ancients had who sculpted that.
unidentified		Do you have an impression of which king that the face may be now?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I don't either.
		I can't figure it out.
		And it would be wonderful to know what face was on it originally.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I looked at it and tried to see who is that over there.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, we've got obviously ways and means of doing that now where we can put all that together.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, it's all very exciting.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure is.
unidentified		It's really nice to talk to you.
unidentified		Thanks a lot, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir, and have a good morning.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, hi, Art.
unidentified		Steve from South Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It's a great pleasure to speak to your guest tonight.
		I have a book here that I had the great pleasure of meeting John Anthony West in Sioux Falls last July.
		And I bought his book, The Traveler's Key to Ancient Egypt.
		It's a marvelous book.
		It's about a 500-page book on all of the ancient sacred sites.
		And he dedicates about 50 or 60 pages just to the Giza Pyramids.
		And there is some mention in here of some research by Eric von Doniken on the pyramids as headquarters for astronauts and some kind of an ET connection.
		Do you hold any credence to this at all?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there you are.
		That's your answer.
		Very possible.
		But it's hard to say anything for sure, isn't it?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because that's what we're finding.
		Every time we're so sure, we're so certain, something else comes along and we go, ha.
		You know, and scientists like that, as we become technologically more advanced, I think we're realizing that before we couldn't make judgments accurately because we didn't have the right equipment to do so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, yes, Art.
unidentified		Very honored to be on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm on Bambridge Island, Washington.
		My name is Kirk.
		And I had a quick question for the both of you.
		You guys were talking about the passageways underneath the Sphinx And what may lie in them.
		I'm a young listener, just got very interested in the Sphinx and what may be holding its messages.
		I just want to know what's holding us back from going deeper and finding some of the answers that may lie underneath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the answer is we're about to go deeper.
		If you listen a Saturday morning to Graham Hancock and Robert Baval, you'll hear how quickly it's going to occur.
		Too quickly, in their opinion, and in too blustery and commercial a way.
		And they're afraid that a lot of the information that may be in there will be hidden or lost.
		Are you concerned about that, Caroline?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I am.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, when you had asked me before if I held the same feelings, you know, I'm not as impassioned, but that certainly is massively important, and I really feel sympathetic about the idea of it being done with respect that it deserves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Okay, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'll hold on for a moment.
		Everybody should be prepared to turn off their radio right away.
		Are you there?
unidentified		Not no more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's right.
		You're not.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, Art and your guest, Caroline?
		Yes.
		Two things.
		First of all, excuse me, 10,500 years, or 12,500 years ago is the date of all the monuments, according to the stars.
		Whether that's when they were built or that's some significance, I don't know, but that's the date of, you know, they all line up with the stars, including this thing, is 12,500 years ago.
		And the second was about the today I heard something on the news that was very interesting.
		I just caught the end of it.
		And it was something about something being 150,000 years older than they originally thought.
		That's right.
		And the archaeologists were in an uproar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		What was that?
unidentified		It tells me a lot about the archaeologist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was in the Seattle Times, sir, and it was about the age of man in Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They seem to have found evidence of modern man estimated to be about 176,000 years old.
unidentified		Why would they want to be in an uproar?
		Wouldn't that make them happy?
		Isn't that their job?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they would be in an uproar, sir, because careers, entire paradigms.
unidentified		Wouldn't your career parallel forward if you accepted this and said, look at people, look, new discoveries.
unidentified		See, I'm not an idiot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but those who are threatened would squash you like a bug.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Right, and it means change.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And some people are really happy with the status quo.
unidentified		Coward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, fine.
		You can say that, and I don't necessarily disagree with that, man, but look, careers are threatened.
		I mean, people have built entire careers, give lectures or at universities based on what they think has been true.
		And so they are challenged.
		You know, it's a funny thing.
		It has been said, and was written in the Brookings report, that one of the biggest groups of people that would absolutely go off their nut if extraterrestrial life were found or the paradigms were crushed would be the scientists.
		They would be the least likely to be able to take it.
		And I believe that.
		Do you?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And some of the archaeologists as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		But definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Carline, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
unidentified		Oh, good.
		I'm finally got too far.
		What you're just talking about is absolutely true, because I studied anthropology and astronomy after World War II.
		And all of this stuff was like back to P. Kingman and all that kind of business.
		But Caroline, may I speak with you, please?
		Yes.
		I was on a cruise with my wife, Taylor Carwell, in 1979, and we went to Kiva.
		And, of course, she didn't come with me.
		And I started to climb up to the King's Chamber, and then I saw the tunnel open to the Queen's Chamber.
		So I snuck down, and, you know, it's only about four feet high, and I just snuck in there, or sneaked in there, to put it in better English.
		And I got there to the Queen's chamber, and I went into my lion posture, which is what I do my meditation, and I left my body.
		And I don't know how long I was gone, but all I know is when I came back, I thought, gee, I've got to get out of here.
		And I literally floated back through the tunnel.
		And when I got there, they were locking the pyramid up because I thought I should get back to my wife.
		And my wife is a very spiritual person.
		She's written a book about the Atlantis way back when she was 12.
		And we're planning a trip to the pyramids.
		Arthur, why don't you come with us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to the pyramids, sir, in October.
unidentified		Well, we're leaving in this October.
		We're leaving, no, in December.
		We're leaving December.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		December.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going next October.
		That's my plan.
		So if you want to wait and come with us, you're welcome.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
		Hello?
		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Bill?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in West of Salem, North Carolina.
		Yes, sir.
		Your guest is very interesting.
		And my question to her would be, are you, or even you, are you familiar with any of the teachings of the Nation of Islam?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caroline?
unidentified		No.
		What about you, Mr. Bill?
		Vaguely, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Well, many of your callers are basically sort of hitting around basically what much of the tenets of the Nation of Islam talks about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you are familiar with the teachings, how would somebody with your belief system look at the monuments at Giza?
unidentified		Well, we're taught in the Nation of Islam that the age of man is a lot older than 6,000 years or 10,000 years.
		That human beings go back trillions of years.
		And so this all ties in with, I guess, the discoveries of Richard Hoagland and Graham Hancock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that we were taught that the moon at one point was a part of the earth, that through cataclysms, it was ejected from the earth and orbits the earth.
		And that's why you will find monuments only on the moon, because the moon at one point was a part of the earth.
		And that we're also taught that much of the things that you're finding now are basically things that man had done millions and thousands, hundreds of thousands of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, look, I appreciate it.
		Caroline, the theory held by many in science, in fact, there have been some documentaries recently, The Mysterious Origins of Man, for example, that theorize that man has been here and gone and been here and gone in cycles, that continents have moved like musical chairs, and that what is old is new again.
		You think that could be?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do believe that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caroline, hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Have you seen...
		How would that be?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I have a phone number that is in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now be careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this a personal number?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		No, this is my business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		It's Los Angeles.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Area code 213-580-9756.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		9756.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's area code 213-580-9756.
unidentified		Correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I just wanted to get that out.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Miss Davies.
		Hello.
		Hi, this is Mateo calling from San Francisco, California.
		I'd like to say I view the pyramids in a very negative light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
unidentified		If only because I know that in building pyramids, both in Mayan culture here in the Western Hemisphere and in Egypt as well, it took many thousands of slaves to build these things.
		Maybe.
		What do you think about that?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I think, like Art, maybe, but I actually tend to think that it was beyond using thousands and millions of slaves.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		That's just my personal belief.
unidentified		Right.
		And I also, my other question is, what do you think the significance is of the pyramid with the eye on the back of the $1 bill?
		Does that have any relation to what you're talking about?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		It has a personal relationship with me, which I've spoken a little bit about throughout this.
		But also it has quite a mystical perspective as well when you think of it being on our dollar note, the Masons, then the all-seeing eye with ancient races called the Watchers that have been referred to in some history.
		Yes.
		You've heard of them?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		So there are three things to begin with, and they're probably much more than that, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Caroline Davies.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, my name is Marcia.
unidentified		I'm from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Marcia.
unidentified		I wanted to ask Caroline if, for one thing, if there could be any possibility that our generation or our people actually were on Mars, and because of the global warming effect, we've had to migrate out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, the theory that I understand is quite the other way around.
		In other words, that Mars once was populated, had an atmosphere, and either had a close brush with an astronomical object that destroyed it, or itself was a victim of some sort of global warming.
		And that we are the ancestors of those who once lived on the red planet.
		What say you, Caroline?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard, too.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And I think that I've heard from more than one source that idea as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, we're at the end of the time here.
		Do you plan, Caroline, to go back at any point?
		Where does your research go from here?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I have to complete.
		I'm in post-production now for my British project, which means that I've spent quite a lot of time going backwards and forwards doing that.
		While I'm concurrently doing that, I have a project in the United States called Nature Sacred Temples, which I'll be focusing through the eyes of the Native Americans to work with their particular sacred sites and probably concurrently work with South Americas as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people have recently been talking to me about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The sites, the pyramids, in fact, in South America and even some Native American monuments, do they relate in some way?
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I think that they do.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		That goes back to my original inspiration of doing this work, that somehow we have a common denominator, and we're just not aware of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't hit us yet.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		Not yet, but people like Richard Hoagland and John West and Graham Hancock, all those guys are doing great work.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		And I think that they are part of the bigger picture where we'll all bring a little piece to the whole and we'll get the answer, you know, sooner or later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sooner or later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do hope in my lifetime.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it will be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caroline, it has really been a pleasure having you on the air, and I'm glad you were able to get it in the middle of the night, and I hope that you can have a restful sleep for the rest of the night.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Caroline.
caroline davies ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		If you want to contact Caroline, she does have a Los Angeles number, which is area code 213-580-9756.
		That's area code 213-580-9756.
		And tomorrow or so, the next day, I don't know, soon, we're going to be telling you about the Art Bell 97 Cruise, the 97 Terror Cruise, for those who don't mind living life.
		We're going to be going to Egypt and the Sphinx, the Giza area.
		You'll be hearing about it.

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