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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - David John Oates - Reverse Speech (first appearance)

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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from the 19th of September, 1996.
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	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And as usual, we're about to do the unusual.
	I've got a different kind of guest for you this morning.
	Surprise guest.
	His name is David John Oates.
	And I'll tell you all about Mr. Oates and what he studies, which is reverse speech.
	Not backmasking, but reverse speech, and we'll delineate the difference here in a moment.
	And you will hear examples of it by the likes of O.J.
	Simpson, Bob Dole, Bill Clinton, and others.
	It'll be interesting.
	He's got examples.
	I've heard them.
	And we'll get to all that and John in a moment.
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	First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Cornucopia.
	Just phenomenal knowledge.
	I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
	You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, The common citizen such as you or I really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else.
	I think we do.
	I think eventually so many people will see the light.
	See what you see.
	See what I see.
	That eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
	And I think that we do have a future.
	And we're going to win in the long run.
	It's going to be bumpy along the way.
	It's not going to be easy.
	But we will get there.
	That's my take.
	And you know what?
	As long as I can continue on the airwaves and tell people this, I shall.
	you're listening to art bell somewhere in time tonight featuring coast to coast
	a m from september nineteenth nineteen ninety six all right they're very brief bio on david ronalds
	He is Australian born, an Australian native, so he's got an accent.
	An Aussie.
	David John Oates is founder and developer of Reverse Speech Technologies and has been reversing, researching, reversing, I guess reversing, researching reverse speech full-time for the past 13 years.
	He proposes a theory that language is two-fold.
	This is very interesting.
	Forward and backward.
	By analyzing speech played in reverse, newly discovered voices from the unconscious may easily be heard by a trained ear, and frankly, an untrained ear.
	David's next training course in reverse speech begins in January of 97 at San Diego County, and will meet one week, week and a month that is, for a year following that.
	We will give out an 800 number for you as the program goes on, but we're going to begin by asking David a couple questions about what reverse speech is.
	David himself has a speech impediment.
	He, on occasion, stutters.
	And I spoke to him, you know, I did a pre-interview earlier in the day, and I thought this was a fascinating thing.
	And is indeed.
	And I think that David's own speech impediment led him into study of speech, which then... Well, we'll let him tell you how that happened.
	David, welcome to the program.
	Thank you very much for having me out.
	I really appreciate it.
	Well, David, how in the world does somebody begin the study of something like reverse speech?
	Well, it was a series of coincidences, really, culminating in one single event.
	I was the director of a halfway house for street kids in Australia, and we had an evangelist from the United States traveling through, and he was claiming that rock and roll was the devil's music, and if you played recordings backwards, you could hear the voice of Satan.
	Being a typical Aussie, this was rather strange, I went home that night and I just happened to have a tape player that played in reverse and so I pulled a couple of my favourite tapes and ran them back and much to my surprise I heard at the time what I thought were fairly clear and precise phrases.
	I've been an amateur radio for many years, and so I've got a fairly good ear tuned to sound, and I know electronics fairly well.
	Oh, you're a ham, are you?
	Yes, I am.
	What is your call?
	VK5ADO.
	Well, I'm W6OBB.
	Glad to meet you.
	Oh, well, there you go.
	Well, quite seriously, Reverse Beach was born in my ham shack.
	And that's where it began, yeah.
	I see.
	I love ham radio.
	Oh yeah, well I've been quiet now for several years, you know.
	I've been reverse featured, taken my whole time up.
	I still have my rig sitting here on my desk and one of these days I'll get my antenna back up again.
	And get back on the air, you know?
	Well, one of the days the sun cycle's going to improve and it's going to be worth doing that.
	Yeah, I hope so.
	I've been out of touch for quite some time.
	So, you know, I've got a fairly good ear tuned to sound.
	And, you know, I've been pulling out fake sounds out of the static for many, many years.
	And when I started to hear these things in reverse, they had a real genuine ring to them.
	The first thing I looked for was superimposed soundtracks.
	I mean, that's obviously the first thing you're going to check.
	Sure.
	And it was fairly obvious that there was no superimposed soundtracks.
	In other words, something inserted backwards.
	Correct.
	Yeah, and some groups do do that at the recording studio level.
	You know, that's been a gimmick now for many years, you know.
	And the next thing I checked was for Imagine Imagination, you know, obviously, you know, it's like throwing an ink blot against the wall, you know, you can see anything, anything, anything.
	What do you see in that, what do you hear in that same kind of thing?
	Right, yeah, exactly correct.
	So what I did for the first couple of months was I transferred all of these tracks backwards that I thought I was hearing and began playing them to friends and I set up several blind tests, you know, I would Initially, I would just play them to and backwards and ask them what they heard.
	Normally, most people could hear one or two words in the reversal without prompting.
	It's fairly difficult to get the whole sentence without being used to the sound.
	So, for that reason, I will normally tell people first what the reversal said.
	All right.
	I want to ask a question, David.
	I need to understand, I guess, what the theory is.
	The theory is, is it not, that we say one thing consciously, driven to say it in a certain way or certain words, by our subconscious.
	Correct.
	Exactly correct.
	I'm saying that all speech forms in the unconscious mind before it becomes conscious.
	Well, it does.
	Right.
	I'm sure it does.
	I mean, I can feel the process occurring in my own brain as I'm speaking to you.
	Oh, sure.
	I track it backwards constantly.
	It's fairly common in reverse to see what someone has said forwards to appear backwards prior to them saying it forwards.
	I will frequently get a complete sentence.
	In reverse, and only to see that exact same sentence repeated forward three or four or five minutes later.
	And so you are actually tracking the unconscious, mapping, mapping, mapping out the thought processes and then transferring it to the conscious.
	Alright, that makes sense.
	You, as is obvious now to the audience, have varying amounts of stuttering problems.
	Have you had that all your life?
	Yes, I've had it all my life.
	It was extremely severe when I was a teenager.
	At high school I could barely talk, you know, I could barely get one... I could barely string two words together.
	It's actually one of the reasons why I got into ham radio, because I wanted to overcome this, you know.
	And then when I started doing reverse speech and then had to suddenly find myself doing radio in to be as I was forced in to a position where I just simply
	had to become bold and confident and just go and take the and just go and take it and run
	run with it you know.
	All right sure um so that obviously because of your interest in speech.
	Right.
	Um it would lead you naturally into a direction of studying speech.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	I actually have always considered to be quite ironic that I have a speech stutter, because the speech reversals themselves occur in the pauses and starts of the speech.
	If you ever sit down and listen to someone talk for any long period of time, You will hear their speech full of pauses and stutters and tonal inflections and errs and ahs and oohs.
	And we generally take most of that for granted.
	But it's those very fluctuations in speech that cause the speech reversal to occur.
	All right.
	I guess before we proceed, we're going to hear an example of this in a moment.
	Right.
	But I would like to give people your website address.
	Well, I don't even need to do that.
	What we can do is we've got a link up on our Web page now, to your web page, and there are audio examples of reverse speech, some of what you're going to probably hear right now.
	That is correct.
	I've got at least a hundred examples of reverse speech on the website.
	Oh, you do?
	A hundred?
	Oh, at least that.
	Alright.
	At least that.
	It's a massive site.
	It's about three or four hundred pages.
	Oh my.
	That is massive.
	Yeah, it contains a lot of my research notes and a lot of my technical tests and verifications.
	I've really tried to research this extremely meticulously because I knew that once the time came for me to launch this discovery onto the world, I would have to make sure that all my I's and T's were crossed because I'm expecting a fair bit of flat once this begins to hit, you know, and I have ample research evidence to back this up.
	And a lot of that is in my website.
	All right.
	Fine.
	My website is www.artbell.com.
	And if you go up there, you will see a link to David John Oates' website.
	And if you want to go directly to it, it is www.reversespeech.com.
	Reverse speech being one word.
	That's www.reversespeech.com.
	All right, so that we all get some understanding of what we're talking about, it's going to be a crude way of doing it.
	You're going to hold the phone up to a recorder, but I listened earlier and it came through okay.
	Yeah.
	What would be your first example?
	Well, let's start off with something fairly simple first.
	This is Bob Dole resigning from the Senate.
	Before I play this, let me just give a brief technical description.
	My claim is that reverse speech is a second form of communication.
	As the brain is constructing the sounds of speech, it's constructing it in such a way
	that two messages are communicated simultaneously, forward and backward.
	Now reverse speech is also complementary.
	By complementary I mean that the forward and reverse dialogues directly relate to each
	It will either concern what's being said forward, or deny what was being said forward, or it will add extra information to what's being said forward.
	In other words, if somebody is lying, David, that is then Denied in what's heard in reverse?
	Correct.
	If someone is lying forward, you will get the truth backwards.
	If someone is hiding information forward, you will get that extra information in reverse.
	And if they're telling the truth?
	You will get the truth in reverse.
	Like this example on the example I'm about to play you on Bob Dole, for example.
	You hear him resigning from the from the Senate.
	So why don't I play that and have your listeners listen very carefully to what he's saying forward.
	All right, fire away, by all means.
	You do not lay claim to the office you hold.
	It lays claim to you.
	Your obligation is to bring to it the gifts you can of labor and honesty, and then to depart with grace.
	Okay, so he's being, you know, he's He's got a fair bit of genuinity and passion behind his voice there.
	Sure.
	So let's say, what I'm going to do is isolate a small section of this and play it backwards at three separate speeds.
	And I'll tell you initially what this says.
	The reversal says, it's an honor.
	It's an honor. It's an honor. It's an honor. It's an honor.
	And that should, and that should have been fairly clear.
	That was very clear, yes, very clear.
	So he said three times, and you did it at three different speeds.
	Correct.
	To demonstrate, in other words, that it is not just a speed, a function of speed.
	Oh, right, correct.
	Yeah, I do that for several reasons.
	Yeah, because as you vary the speed, the sound doesn't change, because all you're simply doing is reversing the syllables, you know.
	I also run it at 3 speed too, because the sounds of reverse beat tend to sound different than normal forward beat.
	As a ham raid you're operating, you would know the sounds of single sideband.
	It sounds very, very, very similar to single sideband.
	Because essentially what you're doing is you are removing the conscious information from Well, that's very believable.
	He said it's an honor, and I think that Bob, no matter what you think of him, and there are many varied opinions, but he served honorably in the Senate.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I'm sure that would have been his emotion as he gave that speech.
	Correct.
	He would have been feeling it's an honor.
	And that was quite clear.
	Yeah.
	Well, these reversals are quite clear.
	I mean, the most amazing thing to me is that someone hasn't discovered this this before because they are occurring as clear as this once every five or ten seconds of speech.
	Well now once again it depends on the speech itself because the reverse speech is a right brain hemispheric function.
	Forward speech is left brain and reverse speech is right brain.
	So as speech becomes more emotionally charged the speech reversals will increase quite dramatically.
	So you could have a left brain In a situation like a public media broadcast or a politician speaking, and you may only get reversals once every 20 or 30 seconds, but as soon as you go into normal, relaxed conversation or highly emotional speech, they will increase quite dramatically.
	We've done many tests, for example, I've just run a tape backwards and I've just noted the percentage of speech reversals that occur in any given time frame.
	And you can get a fairly good indication of what type of speech it is coming from without knowing what from the foreword.
	Oh, that's fascinating.
	All right, why don't we do one more before the bottom of the hour?
	Okay, well actually I just cued up a famous soundbite.
	I actually moved on to another one.
	This is Neil Armstrong taking his famous first words onto the moon.
	Obviously a fairly highly emotional situation.
	All right, Neil Armstrong.
	Neil Armstrong walking on the moon.
	Oops, I'm sorry, my computer just glitched for one second.
	Alright, no problem.
	Alright, this is coming off a computer then?
	Correct.
	Alright, good.
	I've got two computers here and I just draw on them all depending on what I have to do at the time.
	Okay.
	Okay, would you believe... Neil Armstrong won't speak.
	Neil Armstrong will not speak to us, so let's try it again.
	Okay, I've got it going now.
	I just had a little glitch.
	Alright.
	That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
	Okay, now, uh, when he says his famous first words, that's one small step for man, backwards it says, man will spacewalk.
	Ooh!
	Really?
	Let me hear that.
	Man will spacewalk.
	Oh my God.
	Man will spacewalk.
	Oh, there's no doubt about it.
	And that's fairly clear, too.
	And that is a fairly logical expression of his thought at the time, as he stepped on the surface of the moon.
	He's obviously thinking about the future of humanity in space.
	Can I continue?
	May I, David, ask you to do one special request?
	Neil Armstrong made a statement in the White House.
	I think about a year ago, which was a very famous, very intriguing statement about going to places that will amaze us when the false veils are lifted.
	Oh yes, I've been trying to get hold of that speech actually.
	Oh, alright, we'll see if we can find it for you.
	Boy, would I love to hear what's in that one.
	Um, alright.
	I have got so many mysteries for you guys.
	I've been doing this for 13 years.
	I don't understand.
	David, hold tight.
	David John Oates is my guest.
	Reverse speech is the topic.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring coast to coast a m from september nineteenth nineteen
	ninety six the
	the the
	the the you
	David John Oates is my guest.
	Somewhere in time with Art Bell continues courtesy of Premier Networks.
	Well this certainly is fascinating. David John Oates is my guest.
	The subject is one you probably haven't heard about before.
	Reverse speech.
	I mean, if we don't do it, who will?
	More in a moment.
	This is amazing stuff.
	And David, I know you're listening on the line.
	Get that Armstrong thing out again.
	I've got to hear that again.
	That was incredible.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time. Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM
	from September 19th, 1996.
	AMC News.
	Back to my most fascinating guest.
	David John Oates believes reverse speech is, in fact, a message from the unconscious.
	Our unconscious minds.
	That if we are lying, the truth is revealed in reverse speech.
	If we tell the truth, the truth is confirmed in reverse speech.
	And there's every reason to believe that that's a pretty good theory.
	That our subconscious minds drive what we say in both directions.
	And there have been a couple of pretty good examples.
	David, if you wouldn't mind, I was so impressed with that Neil Armstrong thing.
	Would you play it forward, then reverse again one more time, please?
	Sure.
	Here it is forward, coming up now.
	That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
	And now coming backwards, man will spacewalk at three speeds.
	Man was prepared for.
	And there's a very interesting thing about this example too, was Neil Armstrong actually had a prepared script to say.
	He was supposed to say that's one small step for a man, but he got his lines wrong and said it's one small step for man
	instead.
	Now, had he said his prepared script, that speech reversal would not have occurred. So it's my contention that his
	unconscious mind automatically switched his speech just prior to him speaking to it so the reversal could appear.
	But you know, I...
	I don't know if it relates, but of course I do nothing but talk for five hours.
	Right.
	And I have noticed that there are many times that in my mind, I'm always a little bit ahead of what my mouth is doing.
	Right.
	And I'm considering my next sentence or whatever, and there are many times when I will suddenly, though I meant to say one thing, Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Something else comes out.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It happens all the time.
	How many times, you know, you've been talking to someone, for example, and you're thinking something, you are just about to say that, and then the other person in the room says it before you say it.
	Oh, yes.
	Because, see, reverse speech is a communication process.
	We are all receiving the reversals of others all the time, and I may tell you that is a lot of what human intuition is all about. We just get a gut sense. We
	know and feel there's more to what's being said than what's being said. And it's very common in reverse to
	see entire conversations backwards.
	People are actually communicating in reverse. It's that second form of communication.
	David, the politicians are going to have you killed, you know.
	This will change the whole face of not just politics, but the whole face of civilisation once this hits.
	Because it essentially means the human mind is no longer private.
	And every secret that has ever been hidden is stored on tape somewhere back in the archives.
	People are going to go crazy because this will quite seriously propel society into a whole new age.
	All right, let's move to somebody who might thought to be not telling the truth.
	And, of course, there's great controversy about the O.J.
	Simpson trial.
	Right.
	And I watched every minute of that trial, or very nearly so.
	I'm telling you, I was glued to it.
	And so this is of intense interest, and you have some reversals So to speak, on O.J.
	Simpson, don't you?
	I have some stunning reversals on O.J.
	Simpson.
	O.J.
	Simpson is, I love doing his reversals.
	He's so incongruent, it makes you laugh, you know?
	So, let's start off with one that is pretty much, this is a fantastic example.
	I'm thinking what I'm saying about reverse speech as simply that now all we need to do
	to find out what someone is thinking is to record their speech and run it backwards.
	Listen very carefully to what O.J. is saying forwards in this next example.
	Okay, here we go.
	The worst thing you can have, that you could ever have, is have your argument taped.
	I would say anybody out there that's married and is in a relationship, just throw a tape
	recorder on the next time you have an argument and play it back.
	You will not believe that was you.
	Maybe you should have said play it back backwards.
	Yeah, right.
	I'll just play that one full section forwards again, because that's how I've got it queued up in my computer.
	So just listen to his forward words again.
	Just play it back.
	You would not believe that that is you.
	All right.
	I'm going to take recorder on.
	The next time you have an argument and play it back, you will not believe that was you.
	And backwards he says, I skinned them all.
	I skinned them all.
	And what I want to do now is just play it forwards and backwards, forwards and backwards, at the precise point where the reversal occurs.
	He says, just turn a tape recorder on next time.
	And that is the exact word that caused that sweet reversal to occur.
	So here it is, forwards, backwards, forwards, backwards.
	Just turn a tape recorder on the next time.
	Not again tomorrow.
	Just turn a tape recorder on the next time.
	Not again tomorrow.
	And there's O.J.
	Simpson.
	Quite stunning stuff, eh?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I've been dying to... One of my fondest dreams is to see O.J.
	face to face and play him these speech traversals and just see what his reaction is.
	I would love to do that.
	I would love to see that.
	Yeah, I think that would be quite an amazing TV special.
	Yes, well, he's busy now.
	He's going back to court again.
	Okay, so let's do some more on OJ.
	Oh, absolutely.
	One of the things you see in reverse speech is past conversations repeated.
	For example, if I'm telling you something I said to someone a week ago, the unconscious mind accesses that event And if what you're saying forwards is not what was actually said, the speech reversal will say in essence what the real conversation was.
	So in light of that, this is O.J.
	talking forwards about what a lovely, compassionate man he is towards Nicole.
	When she had some very emotional issues with the men that she was involved with, she came to me.
	I don't think a woman would do that if she felt that this person was insensitive or abusive and certainly not jealous or possessive.
	And now we'll play it in reverse and he says, damn your lust, never see lovers.
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	Say that again.
	I'm sorry, I got to go.
	No, no, I'm sorry.
	...
	...
	Alright, David.
	I missed it.
	When you said what that was going to be, I missed it.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay, let's go to the next one.
	No, no, no, no.
	In reverse.
	What is it saying?
	Damn, damn your luck.
	Never see lovers.
	All right.
	Now give me the reverse playback of that again.
	again.
	That's right.
	Now let's do another one on the same vein.
	This is actually on my second computer and this is another conversation that he's repeating with Nicole.
	Let's just queue this one up and we'll run it forward first.
	Okay.
	One, because at one point I couldn't speak.
	I wanted to speak on NBC.
	And that is the only avoided interview.
	And backwards, he says, um, where are we?
	Um, damn it, you see men, I give snow.
	In this case, snow being a street name for cocaine.
	Okay, now so, damn it, you... Damn it, you see men, I give snow.
	Is snow a street name for cocaine?
	Damn it, you see men, I give snow.
	Damn it, you see men, I give snow.
	And there we go, and we'll just do that in one more speed again.
	There we go.
	Okay, I heard that, not as clearly perhaps as some of the others, but it was discernible.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay, so let's look at some more on O.J.
	Simpson.
	First Speech has a fairly peculiar complementarity.
	What you're saying forward will generally relate to what's being said in reverse.
	So in light of that, here he is talking about the American institution blocking him from making some money.
	So here it is forward.
	I've been a good American.
	I'm just as innocent as any of them.
	I should have the right to support my family and earn a living.
	And they have been blocking me or attempting to block me in every other avenue.
	And backwards he says, he cowed when you missed your aim.
	He cowed my bayonet.
	And what he's reliving is Ron Goldman blocking him from his knife swing.
	So here he is.
	This is actually a fairly long reversal.
	He cowed when you missed your aim.
	He cowed my bayonet.
	Alright.
	Alright.
	David, question.
	Yes.
	Two of them, really.
	uh... you probably prefer to recall the group you probably prefer to recall the group
	all right uh... david question yet but still really uh...
	one does reverse speech exist in foreign languages
	Yes, it does.
	I am currently training a student from Germany right now.
	What we are finding is that the reversals are occurring in the language that you are thinking in at the time.
	So if you are speaking in English but thinking in German and translating, the reversals will be in German.
	Wow!
	Now that's really impressive.
	That's really impressive.
	Now it must be tough for you because You can't be conversant in all these languages.
	We actually have quite a problem now because my German student is currently lecturing in German, Germany this week and we're getting a fair bit of interest from there and so I have a problem on my hands because I have to go there next year to teach a training class.
	Alright.
	And I don't speak German.
	I understand.
	So I've got to try to co-ordinate with her With her and myself.
	Alright, now have you studied yourself?
	You're an interesting case, because you do have a speech impairment, alright?
	You stutter.
	So does that affect the reverse speech in any way?
	Well, surprisingly enough, when I have my speech stutter, which is my speech impairment, I have very few reversals on my actual speech impairment.
	But when I speak normally, you know, and I have the normal stutters and pauses that everyone does, that is where you'll find the reversals.
	Fascinating.
	Yeah, and I've been doing my speech for 13 years.
	It can be a pretty scary thing, you know, because we tend to live in a world of denial and create our own reality, what, what, what, what we think is real, and then to suddenly be confronted with your own voice.
	Alright, well listen, let's move on and do another one.
	Anything that you think is interesting from your files.
	Well, why don't we move on to someone with JFK fascination, Lee Harvey Oswald.
	Would you be interested in that?
	Oh, I would indeed.
	And then after that, what I'd like to do is have a look at children.
	Because one of the fascinating things I've discovered is that children are speaking backwards before they do forwards.
	And language acts No kidding!
	in rebirth before forward language no kidding alright alright well let's look at them
	would look at a couple first let's look at the live commentary of the uh...
	president kennedy assassination in dallas texas this is a fascinating couple because like the new york
	strong it live and on the
	box services actually catching his actual fought
	as the shooting with a k caring and uh...
	the here we have a forward but pop-up dot
	There has been a shooting.
	Parkland Hospital has been advised to stand by for a severe gunshot wound.
	The President's car is now going past me.
	Okay, and one small section of this backwoods says he's shot bad.
	Hold, hold it.
	Try and look up.
	He's shot bad.
	Hold it.
	Try and look up.
	Wow.
	He's shot bad.
	Hold it.
	Try and look up.
	Well, it sure does.
	He's shot bad.
	Hold it.
	Try and look up.
	He's shot bad.
	Hold it.
	Try and look up.
	And that is his immediate logical thought at any time.
	Stop everything, look around, what can you see?
	Yes, that was quite clear.
	Yeah, that one's quite clear.
	Well, see, that one was live and on the spot too, you know, and some of the trouble with the O.J.
	Simpson ones is that he's on TV and, you know, he's like most people who are on the media.
	They tend to be a little bit nervous and they switch into left brain.
	Here is Lee Harvey Oswald.
	Um, here he is being interviewed on radio two weeks prior to the JFK assassination.
	Now, this is actually quite a fascinating example, so let's, uh, and then I've got one on him just after the assassination.
	Alright.
	So, um, here he is two weeks prior, first of all.
	The fact that I did live for a time in the Soviet Union gives me excellent qualifications to refute charges that
	Cuba and the Fair Play for Cuba committee is communist controlled.
	The Fair Play for Cuba committee, as the name implies, is concerned primarily with Cuban-American relations.
	Boy, I can barely get that one forward.
	Sorry?
	Really?
	Yeah, that was hard to understand forward.
	That was a poor audio clip, I guess.
	Yeah, it sounds quite clear here.
	It could be the phone lines.
	Well, let's play the reversal and see if you can hear it anyway.
	We've got two reversals on this section, and one of them says, hear them wish to kill President, and the other one says, Oswald angry.
	So you'll hear both of them together.
	Hear them wish to kill President, Oswald angry.
	I need every police officer in the first class.
	I'll do a change.
	I need every police officer in the first class.
	I'll do a change.
	I need every police officer in the first class.
	I'll do a change.
	Was that clear or not?
	It was as clear as the forward.
	Right.
	It was as clear as the forward.
	Right.
	It was as clear as the forward.
	Right.
	It was as clear as the forward.
	Right.
	It was as clear as the forward.
	Right.
	It was as clear as the forward.
	Right.
	OK.
	Let's try one more on him and if it doesn't work we'll move on to someone else.
	We've actually done quite an extensive study on the can of the assassination, reversals on most of the key players.
	Here he is being interviewed just after the assassination.
	People have given me a hearing without legal representation or anything.
	I didn't shoot anybody.
	Okay, we'll try this backwards.
	He says the killer was careful.
	Was that clear or not?
	and and
	and that clear no
	uh... no i i couldn't verify that that's what i heard Yeah, okay, now that's fine.
	It's a radio interview way back then.
	Okay, well look, let's move on to kids, okay?
	Alright.
	When I first wrote my theory of reverse speech, I wrote it in April of 1987, that essentially state language is two-fold.
	In July of 87, my wife at the time gave birth to twin girls.
	And I was not too sure what I was more excited about, the girls or a brand new research project.
	So from the moment they came home from hospital, I began to tape them.
	From as early as four months of age, I was finding simple single word backwards.
	Had to have little microphones stuck in their little faces.
	Exactly correct.
	And it's quite fascinating that you should say that, what you just said.
	Because the example I'm just about to play you is when they were seven months of age and I was chasing them around the room with a tape player.
	Kids figures.
	Yeah, of course.
	And one of the kids suddenly noticed the tape player and she reaches out for it with interest.
	And so here is this sound forwards when she suddenly realized dad had a
	tape player trying to get her to speak into it.
	Alright.
	And backwards she says, what's that?
	Ha!
	Oh God, that's fascinating.
	Yeah, now that's fairly clear.
	Oh, that's fairly clear is right.
	And the kids' reversals are just great.
	I love kids' reversals.
	As I find out, as people age, their reversals tend to get less and less clear.
	But when they're young, they are just so crystal clear.
	It's just amazing.
	No wait, no wait.
	We're here at the top of the hour, so we have to pause.
	So stay right where you are.
	I wonder what that would come out like in reverse.
	My guest is David John Osen.
	We're talking about reverse speech.
	What's that?
	Man, that was really clear.
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	Premier Network presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1996.
	My guest is David John Oates.
	He, for 13 years, has been studying reverse speech.
	And it is trippy, let me tell you.
	Reverse speech.
	In other words, simply playing somebody's speech, certain portions of it, in reverse.
	The contention being the subconscious mind drives, in reverse, certain things to be said that are not said when you listen to it in a forward direction.
	Examples, stunning ones, from Bob Dole, Neil Armstrong, Ali Harvey Oswald, to a lesser degree but still very stunning, O.J.
	Simpson, And most recently, David's Daughters, and I know he's on the line, so David, cue the one on your daughter up again.
	That one was really a trip.
	We'll replay that one.
	David has a speech impediment himself.
	He at times stutters.
	That obviously led to an interest in speech.
	We'll get back to David in a moment.
	You're going to find this really fascinating.
	Believe it or not, it sure is fascinating.
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	Give me your perspective on where you think this is heading worldwide.
	Is this all leading to a one-world government, a new world order, in order to contain what could very well be a planetary-wide uprising?
	Well, yes.
	The governments are preying on the poor people.
	You know, in most countries, the government is usually controlled by wealthy people.
	You're seeing very much a situation that's set up to create a violent overthrow of countries.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring coast-to-coast AM from September 19th 1996
	back now are David John Oates
	And the last one really blew my mind, David.
	It was your daughter.
	Uh-huh.
	And you say you have twins?
	I have twins, yeah.
	And so being into the hobby you are, I guess a hobby now turning into a business?
	Oh yes, well I've been doing this for living now for ten years.
	Ten years.
	I actually have quite a thriving practice in San Diego where I use this in therapy and counseling.
	Alright, so you being so interested, and I know about Being compelled to do things.
	I'm very much that way myself.
	Followed your little daughters, before they could speak, putting a tape recorder in their little faces and recording their sounds.
	And if you would give us that example one more time.
	Here you were chasing them around the house with a tape recorder, putting in their face.
	So what you hear in reverse is so logical.
	That it gives you the heebie-jeebies.
	This was before they could talk, folks.
	Now, play it forward.
	Okay, this one was at seven months of age, and she was actually reaching for the tape player.
	And the noise she makes is when she actually saw the tape player and reached for it.
	And backwards she says, what's that?
	And we should tell everybody, we play that in reverse at three separate speeds.
	Now, somebody is asking a question from Indiana, Lafayette, Indiana.
	Gerard, there is no way the examples of reverse speech can be obtained by simply reversing the speech.
	There has to be some other extensive processing.
	What is that?
	In other words, he's hardly believing his ears.
	And he believes you're processing this.
	No, I'm not processing this at all.
	This is just straight forwards and backwards.
	And if anyone would like to take this program and take the examples and go and put it on their computer, on the soundbar, and most computers you can reverse the sound, they will see that all I'm doing is simply playing it backwards.
	Alright, you're not doing any speed changes.
	No processing whatsoever.
	No echo whatsoever.
	No echo, no nothing.
	This is just straightforward and reverse.
	Alright, and again the contention is, if somebody for example is lying, the truth will be revealed in the reverse speech, which is going to make the politicians kill David.
	Don't say that too loud, please.
	I have a little bit of fear about when this thing launches.
	Well, I'm launching now.
	I decided six months ago that it was time to finally get this thing out.
	I've been sitting on it for so long.
	Well, David, it's well-grounded fear.
	Oh absolutely, it's well based in fact and see too, it's been well documented for years that the brain has reversing functions like sight for example is reversed before it's processed by the brain, we have the condition of dyslexia where speech is reversed, the left and right brain hemispheres mirror each other Chinese philosophy talks about the yin and the yang, you know, the whole of creation is surrounded with opposites.
	The point of fact, I actually think it takes more faith to believe that this doesn't exist than it does exist.
	It's so logical and so natural.
	You know, and it's like any new theory that hits the planet.
	You know, the world is round.
	I mean, how can you say that?
	You'll fall off, you know, or the horseless carriage or whatever you want to think about.
	Whenever any new discovery hits the face of the planet, we go, oh no, that's crazy.
	That can't be true.
	And it's simply because it's outside of our realm of experience.
	It's true.
	And the beach falls into the same category.
	It's true.
	All right, let's try another example, and again, I'm depending on you to pick out the ones that you think are... No, that's fine.
	Well, let's look at a couple more kids, okay?
	Because kids are so clear, you know?
	All right, all right.
	Fire away.
	Here is my child.
	I think she's ten months of age, and she's sitting on my lap.
	I'll play it forward first.
	Alright.
	And listen, this one's so clear, I think you'd better hear this with, with, without me telling
	you.
	I'm not going to tell you.
	All right.
	I'm going to run it backwards at three speeds.
	Listen to it very carefully and tell me what you hear.
	All right.
	Daddy, yes, I'm right.
	What did you hear there?
	Daddy loves something.
	Daddy loves mom.
	And what you heard, the mum normally confuses people because it's the Aussie accent.
	It's not daddy love mom, it's daddy love mum.
	Mum, of course.
	Let me play it again.
	Your accent, I understand.
	Play it again, please.
	Yeah, hear it, hear it.
	This is, this is, this is straight backwards at three feet.
	Alright.
	Daddy loves mum.
	Huh?
	Daddy loves mum.
	Huh.
	Daddy loves mum.
	Yes, yes, I've got it.
	And it is necessary to adjust for the accent.
	Correct.
	She, of course, is listening to you and her speech patterns are forming around you naturally, of course.
	And see, that's one of the great convinces about reverse speech as well, because you do hear accents in reverse.
	It's quite easy to pick out an American, or, or, or, or, or an Australian, because the accents become very pronounced.
	I've got you.
	Once you get used to the accent of reverse speech itself, because it's got this melodious sing-song tone to it, you know, and it tends to take... I've been training classes of this for seven years now, and it tends to take new students probably a good three or four months to settle into the backward sounds and begin to pull them out of the tapes.
	And they're quite fast, you know, they're normally only one or two seconds long, and they frequently occur in the high tones of speech.
	And I think it's probably one of the reasons why it hasn't been discovered before.
	Because it's like learning any foreign language.
	You've got to sit down and get used to the intonation and get used to the words.
	Well, you pointed out earlier we're both ham operators.
	Listening to single sideband is a lot like that.
	You've got to get your ear attuned to it.
	It's true.
	Yeah, right.
	And reverse speech is exactly the same way.
	Let me do one more on kids.
	We can move on to some celebrities.
	It depends on how long we've got.
	One of the fascinating things about reverse speech, I'm currently only playing you fairly straightforward, simple examples, you know, of normal, forward, what I feel is logical stuff.
	By far the greatest proportion of reverse speech speaks in metaphors or Archetype.
	More than 90% of reverse speech language speaks in pictures and images, because this is how the human mind at its deepest level processes.
	And when we get into the metaphors of reverse speech is when the real power comes through.
	Because at the deepest levels, reverse speech is describing how human behavior is formed, and how personality is formed.
	The breakthroughs that it can offer in therapy are just mind-blowing.
	All right.
	But anyway, here's another one on kids.
	This is, I think, at 14 months of age.
	I just moved them from one room to another.
	I was actually setting up a table to record, you know, and I just moved the kids from the lounge room to the kitchen, and they were sitting around the table.
	And you'll hear me shuffling papers in the background, and then one of the kids makes quite a loud noise.
	Here it is.
	Okay, and that was a simple sound forwards and backwards it says, I now come here.
	Oh, geez.
	Oh, yeah, it's quite clear.
	Yeah, that's quite clear.
	One of the things we see in reverse speech is the young mind processing and sorting out information.
	This is a tree.
	That is mum.
	That is dad.
	I've just moved from this room to the next room.
	And what reverse speech can offer child psychology is just Well, it's just mind-blowing because we can now have a way to trace the cognitive processes of children as they grow up.
	I do a lot of work with kids and I've had a couple of kids being brought to me who have been fairly traumatic experiences and one of the problems facing child psychologists I mean, what is this kid thinking?
	I mean, what is really going on inside this child's mind?
	Sure.
	Reverse speech goes straight to it.
	I mean, you know exactly what they're thinking and exactly what they're feeling.
	All right, what have you got in Good Celebrities?
	Oh, Good Celebrities.
	I've got some great ones.
	Let's go to Whoopi Goldberg first.
	Here she is, the cutest one.
	Talking about her latest movie, and she's asked why... Anyway, so let's play.
	This is just coming online now.
	Yeah, I tend not to get into celebrities and politicians all that much, quite frankly, because most of my work is spent in my practice, and I normally have the TV going in the background.
	If some interesting sound clip comes on, I whack it on.
	So here's Whoopi Goldberg.
	How much fun was this film then to do?
	Well, it was a lot of fun, you know, because I got to play with all these guys.
	This is a fairly long one, but you should be able to pick it out now.
	She says, see all the wealth that I got, I suck the money.
	See all the wealth that I got, I suck the money.
	Alright, let's see.
	We've also left the Saga as record money.
	We've also left the Saga as record money.
	And that one should have been fairly clear.
	And that, anyone who knows Whoopi Goldberg is going to know, that's a fairly typical of the, and I have just lost my sound program and here it comes after.
	So that one was fairly clear too.
	And see I need to stress, these things are happening once every five or ten seconds of speed, as clear as that.
	And um, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's It's a monumental find.
	It's a monumental discovery, and I certainly believe it's going to... Alright, when you sent me a fax, first sent me a fax, you said, in fact, a wire service is reportedly coming out with news reports about it in the next few weeks.
	Correct.
	Can you name which wire service that is?
	Gee whiz, I don't know offhand.
	I know my publishers listening to this thing tonight, he might like to call in and let you know. I'm not
	too sure. My book's coming out in six weeks time. In point of fact, I've got four, I'm
	releasing four books for the next year that release all my findings. We've already
	contacted the wire services, they have agreed to carry the story.
	Maybe I'd like to put up my 1-800 number if anyone wants to buy the book by the way.
	Absolutely.
	It's 1-800-231-1776.
	1-800-231-1776 That's 800-231-1776
	and you can get an advance copy of the book.
	Also, with Strange Universe filmed a special on reverse speech this week.
	Oh, they did?
	When will that air?
	That's going to be airing in about two weeks.
	I don't have the exact view date yet, but they were up here for several hours.
	As a matter of fact, I saw Strange Universe earlier tonight.
	They did a bit on the Chupacabra that I was interested in.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah.
	And about a half hour prior to air time.
	All right.
	Well, what else have you?
	This is Tom Cruise after his last movie.
	I'm talking about Mission Impossible.
	I'm trying to keep these fairly tame.
	You know, if I play some of my rough examples, I could get into a fair bit of trouble.
	This one's bordering on the line just a touch.
	Hey, here he is talking about Mission Impossible.
	Oops.
	I lost my speakers.
	Oh.
	Okay, we're going to try this one one more time.
	We've got some slight technical glitches here.
	Alright.
	Proud to, you know, be part of it right now.
	I can't control what happens at this stage.
	We missed the beginning of them.
	I'm just proud to be a part of it right now is what he says.
	Forwards and backwards he says, I'll be vain.
	I'll be vain?
	There we go.
	And so you watch Tom Cruise over the next few weeks and months and just see how his demeanor changes.
	And that's another thing that reverse speech does.
	It has a whole category of reversals that I call future tense reversals, that accurately predict what is going to happen over the next few weeks and days and months.
	Because the unconscious mind, which has a wealth of knowledge, can with great accuracy predict what is going to happen in the future.
	Some of my advanced studies with reverse speech Indicate fairly strongly that a lot of what we call ESP...
	For example, an intuition, psychic ability, is actually us hearing and responding to the reverse phrases.
	At the subconscious level, so it manifests itself.
	I understand.
	Let me move on to something a little bit different, okay?
	Let's look at communication in reverse, because reverse speech is a communication process.
	We are constantly having conversations forwards and backwards.
	I'll just lead into this slowly at first.
	This is me conducting a session with a client who's attempting to give up cigarette smoking and partway into the session I'm wanting to know her age.
	So you'll hear me start to ask the question and before I can finish the question she actually chips in and asks it for me.
	Yeah.
	How old do you look like?
	Since I was 17.
	And you're, uh... I'm 47.
	Thank you.
	I'm just going to play one small section forwards again with my sentence where I said, and you're, uh... And you're, uh... And backwards it says, how old?
	How old?
	Hm.
	How old?
	How old?
	So what I'm going to do now, is I'm going to play the soundtrack forwards again, and I'm going to splice the reversal right in the forward track, so you'll actually hear the reversal mixed in the forward dialogue, and you'll hear how she directly responds to my speech.
	Alright, yeah, that's fine, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	How old are you?
	I'm 17.
	And you're, uh, uh, what is it?
	I'm 47.
	You can hear that.
	That's a very simple example of a conversation backwards.
	Well, that's quite a simple one.
	Let me play another simple one and we can get as complex as you want.
	I've got thousands and thousands of these examples.
	Every single tape I have ever analysed for the last 13 years, I have stored away with all the transcripts and reversals, I've got so much evidence to verify this is real.
	All right, David, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour here.
	Okay.
	Just dig out some of your best, and we'll be back to you after the bottom of the hour.
	David John Oates is my guest.
	The subject is reverse speech.
	Almost makes you afraid to say something forward, doesn't it?
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1996.
	This is a test.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from September 19th, 1996.
	Reverse speech.
	Does it have meaning?
	Is it straight out of the subconscious?
	You listen.
	You be the judge.
	It's not manipulated.
	It's simply reversed.
	That's it.
	My guest is David John Oates, and he'll be back in a moment.
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	now we take you back to the past on art bell somewhere in time
	yesterday i had a fax from uh... somebody who uh... said they clearly heard their cap
	in a conversation actually another cat Who challenged their cat and kept saying, who are you?
	Who are you?
	Who are you?
	Demanding to know, who are you?
	You know, those two cats meet.
	And it was really kind of cute.
	And then the other cat said clearly, um, you ugly.
	Then there was a cat fight.
	And it was just a cute fact to read.
	But here's an interesting angle.
	Dear Art, remember last night's facts from the man who claimed that he heard the cat speaking English?
	Has Mr. Oates Ever tried analyzing the sounds made by animals to see if there's any meaning in them?
	It'd be interesting, too, to compare domestic animals and pets who grow up hearing human speech with wild animals that have never seen mankind.
	That's Ron in Birmingham, Alabama, and he says, by the way, here's a personal experience, he claims.
	One day, one of my cats went to the back door, looked back from the door to me, And clearly said what sounded very much like out.
	It was clearly not meow, it was out.
	And that is, it's kind of far out, but it is fascinating.
	David, have you ever researched animals?
	Well, no, not really.
	I've done it occasionally.
	I've been asked that question a surprising number of times in my lectures.
	I haven't found anything.
	I've found the meows forwards, meows backwards, and barks forwards, and barks backwards.
	So I'm really... That's all I can tell you.
	You know, if they are speaking a language, then I can't translate it.
	It's their own.
	I've got your right.
	Another guy says, come on Art, we're all dying to hear it.
	Bill and Hillary.
	So, if you've got anything... Oh, what?
	Well, I have a wealth of information on Bill in particular.
	I'm just having a massive debate here as to how controversial do I get, you know?
	Well, when it comes to Bill Clinton, I don't care.
	Yeah, well... Just do what you want to do.
	Let's start off slowly first, OK?
	Oh, OK.
	Let me play a couple of tame examples and then I'll...
	I will take a little bit of courage and get a little bit heavier.
	I mean, I've got lots of these.
	This is Bill Clinton talking about the day an American plane was shot down just outside of Cuba waters a couple of months ago.
	I remember that.
	OK, this is a fairly tame example.
	All charter air travel from the United States to Cuba will be suspended indefinitely.
	And backwards he says, denounce this evil.
	Oh, man, that was... Holy mackerel, was that clear!
	Yeah, that's fairly clear.
	And he's been quite con-gruent there.
	Here he is on a campaign trail.
	This is one I just dumped down last week, I think.
	This is still Philly, Tony.
	There's nothing personally incriminating here.
	He's talking about an 82-year-old lady who has helped with the election campaign.
	All right.
	Example?
	There are a lot of people in West Virginia who embody the America I want to see.
	Dorothy Slack, 82 years old, has given 1,300 hours to the Ronald McDonald House.
	And backwards he says, we used...
	Idiot.
	Excuse me.
	Almost out of there.
	We use idiot.
	Idiot.
	Idiot I've got a whole bunch of stuff here.
	I mean, you know, no one's heard these.
	These have been in my files for years, you know.
	OK, here he is talking about the suicide, in inverted commas, of Vincent Foster.
	Let me just see, the system's loading up.
	I'll just pick it up halfway in.
	I think it's a fairly long forward section.
	I'm not too sure how much I've got.
	I haven't played this.
	I've never played this one.
	When we were little bitty kids, he was a remarkable man.
	I miss him.
	The special counsel says he's going to look into that too.
	Is that fair game?
	Well, I think because he had some files that were relevant to it, I think he has to look into what was there.
	Whatever he wants to do, let him do that.
	That's not my business, Commodore.
	Okay, and backwards he says, now this is fairly long so I'll read it out to you, it says, silly, silly, excuse me, silly hit, nerves are worn, they killed to stay, get out of it.
	I'll say it again, silly hit, nerves are worn, they killed to stay, get out of it.
	Alright.
	Silly hit, nerves are worn, they killed to stay, get out of it.
	Okay, now that one was not as clear to me.
	Right, uh, let me, uh, okay.
	Yeah, it's fairly long, that's the trouble.
	Let me, uh, let me just turn the treble up.
	We'll do it one more time and, uh, see when we get, when we get into the long one, it gets a bit tough.
	Let's try it again.
	No good there?
	Well, the part that I could get clearly was silly hit.
	Right.
	Silly hit.
	That was very clear and deteriorated then, I could say.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, again, David, I understand that it's a matter of ear calibration.
	Correct.
	I work for the County of Monterey, California as a 911 dispatcher.
	Alright.
	And for weeks before they would allow you to begin work, They would require that you literally sit there with a pair of headphones next to a real dispatcher, a private dispatcher, and listen because, frankly, things were occurring so rapidly and you were trying to keep track of so much that your ear wasn't calibrated and you literally didn't hear things.
	And so they had you sit there for weeks in training, learning how to hear it.
	Right.
	And that's exactly what I do with Well, it's literally sitting down for hundreds and hundreds of hours getting used to the different sounds of backwards speech.
	It takes a long time.
	Alright, for the sake of an audience that doesn't have a greatly calibrated ear, some of your earlier ones were just incredible.
	You know which ones are most easily heard?
	Yeah, I know which ones are pretty easy to hear.
	This is the one I play in publicly quite a lot.
	This is on Steve Forbes.
	This is actually an example of an entire conversation backwards.
	So let's run this.
	We'll steer clear of Bill Clinton for a little bit.
	This is Steve Forbes talking about abortion.
	I want abortions to disappear in America.
	I feel they're a tragedy.
	I think we can get a consensus today on banning them in late pregnancy.
	And this is a very congruent reversal.
	This is when he's saying the same thing backwards as he is forwards.
	And backwards it says, her crime will... Her crime will rape the citizens that showed them.
	It's got two sentences.
	that crime will write the status of the show the primary purpose of the short but
	primary pursuit short the primary pursuit short
	that's quite clear yes That one's quite clear.
	Now listen to what the reporter says.
	Now the reporter hears that and then responds forward.
	If a Republican Congress sent you legislation cracking down on abortion, would you sign it?
	In fact, what he says, I now see you will show them.
	So what happens is he perceives that Steve Flores is being very con-ruined in his statement, and his reversal confirms that, using exactly the same words.
	He says, show them, in Steve Flores, and then the reporter says, I now see you, show them.
	I've got you.
	And I'll see you on the show, man.
	I don't know, that's quite clear.
	And it's interesting that you're able to demonstrate it in three separate speeds in reverse because it holds together.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	It does hold together.
	One of the reasons why I do it in three speeds besides that is that when you run the tape backwards, the syllable count tends To increase, and so you have the illusion that it's running faster.
	And the reason why it increases is because reverse speech uses all the subtle intonations of speech.
	I might say a four-syllable phrase forward, I might say, I like this book, but yet I'll put an emphasis on book, and I might say I, and so that will actually reverse to be two or three Fillable.
	So the fillable count nearly always increases as we continue.
	All right, David.
	We've got about 12 more minutes, so hit us with some of your best.
	Okay, let's... Look, this is a classic one.
	This one got me into a lot of trouble in Australia.
	I'm just going down my computer screen now and just pulling out the simple sound.
	Sure, sure.
	This is the Prime Minister of Australia just after he won the 1987 general election.
	Now he was a bit of a character and he's actually in the Guinness Book of Records as winning the World Beer Drinking Championship.
	And as part of his election campaign he swore off Al So he wins the election and a reporter, very sarcastically, says to him, well, how do you plan to celebrate?
	And he replies forward, several cups of tea.
	So here we are.
	What are your celebration plans?
	Oh, uh, several cups of tea.
	Ha ha ha.
	That was, he says, used to smoke the best marijuana.
	Ha ha ha.
	You know, it's the type of...
	Michael that's how I'll oh my god. You're the fuck with her wall. You're the fuck with her wall. Oh my. Yeah. Uh.
	No wonder you're here.
	Did they run you out of town on a rail?
	I got in a little bit of trouble for that one.
	Yes, I certainly did.
	I had lawyers scrambling on that one.
	Well, look, if it says what it says backwards, and anybody can do it, and you can do it with your own computer and come up with the same result, then they can't sue you.
	That's exactly right.
	That's exactly right.
	I mean, it is what it is.
	Absolutely correct.
	I mean, how bold do you want me to get here, you know?
	Well, I could get into a bit of trouble if I keep on going.
	Well, don't get me in trouble, but... Okay, we're on a seven.
	I'm just... But on the other hand, don't really hold back either.
	I mean, if you... Okay, listen, listen, look.
	Here's the thing, man.
	How many times have you had people out there gone into business with someone and they've been completely ripped off?
	Wouldn't you love to know what your potential partner is thinking?
	Here's a man I was going to go into business with in Australia.
	So here's a small section of our business discussion.
	Alright.
	Yes, I agree with you.
	I agree.
	That way we can pay full rights to the books.
	Yeah.
	The channel trust.
	Now, I have a point of order.
	Are you going to be publishing these books?
	Alright.
	All right, that was not very clear, uh, forward.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, no, it was not clear.
	Huh.
	It was muffled, and it may have been the accents, I'm not sure.
	It might have been the accents.
	Or the room accent.
	Let me run it back and see if you can hear it.
	All right.
	It says, I'm so full of, and you can guess the last word.
	Wait a minute, I really can't hear the last word if it's what I think he's full of.
	Right, that's fine.
	Well, then I thought I would... Yeah, we better not do that one.
	Okay, we won't do that one.
	All right.
	That's quite all right.
	We'll pass on that.
	Okay, that's what I said.
	How bold do you want me to get?
	Well, see, that would have them full of one of the seven deadly sins on radio.
	Yeah, right.
	But we can make a very interesting point in that, though, because the way I speak is not polite.
	I understand, and I wouldn't expect it to be.
	In fact, it would reveal, I'm sure, constantly the monsters from the id.
	Oh, absolutely.
	This can get pretty scary.
	I've had people in my office who have seen their reversals and they have been petrified.
	You know, I actually just won a lawsuit.
	I had a client sue me after she saw her reversals and I won the suit.
	But nonetheless, it brings out the whole, it brings this is a very scary thing. Because essentially you are probing
	the depths of the unconscious mind and seeing your worst nightmares. Well, do you find that
	people, when confronted with your playback of their reverse speech,
	respond usually with great anger?
	When I first began to do this, anger was intense.
	I have since learned how to present it in a way that doesn't spark anger.
	But I've had some pretty scary things.
	I've got bullet holes in the walls of my old house in Texas.
	See, I wouldn't care.
	I told you, the politicians will have you killed.
	Thanks, Art.
	I really like speaking to you.
	Well, I mean, there just is no escape for them, and if the truth is to be revealed, they're out of the game.
	Well, the fact is, this technology is out there now.
	People know about it.
	And my greatest, my fondest dream is that people around the country will begin to play tape backwards.
	We have reversing machines here, if anyone's in.
	I'm interested, but the way this technology is going to go is that there is a massive world of support.
	Because this is so real and...
	And the United States and indeed the entire world needs this so badly.
	We have gone so far off track, you know.
	We are lying and stealing and cheating and it's just become such a part of life that we have to come back to the way of truth.
	We have to get on it.
	There's no other way.
	Well, this would do it.
	Yeah.
	And this is a technology that is so simple.
	That anyone can do it.
	You don't need to be a brain scientist.
	All you need to do is to buy a tape and spend quite some time learning how to do it.
	I mean, I would love for there to be a debate on TV.
	We've got the presidential debate coming up now.
	Let's put these guys to the test.
	What are you saying?
	Let's indeed get our audience involved.
	And there are many, many, many, many out there with computers who can reverse speech easily.
	I can do it here.
	And so we will begin to have our audience collect examples.
	And let me give you some pointers on how to find it too.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Okay?
	Yes.
	Oh, do you want me to do that now?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Right.
	Very simply.
	A few pointers you need to watch out for.
	For a start, it's very easy to imagine into the... I have five checkpoints that all my students must follow.
	And they are?
	And they are.
	For a start, is the syllable count correct?
	Are you hearing five or six syllables?
	Does it match up with what you think it is?
	Are the consonant and vowel sounds clear and precise?
	Is it an O?
	Is it an E?
	Is it an OO?
	Are the beginnings and endings of words clear?
	Now, most general reversals will be separated from the gibberish at least by a quarter to a half a second.
	You can hear a gap, just a little faint gap, before the reversal begins and before the reversal starts.
	Now, the real key trick though, is this, is that there is a distinct tonal shift in the backward pace before the reversal appears.
	You will hear this monotone type sound backwards and then the tonality shifts
	quite dramatically and it becomes very sing-song and the reversals themselves
	have a very unique sing-song tone to them. I heard that in many of them. Right
	and that's what and that's very similar to single side bands for the amateur radio
	operators out there. So it's really the key thing is to make sure the fibral counts
	there. All right.
	Make sure the vows are there.
	Watch for the tone shift.
	All right, David, listen.
	We're out of time.
	Give out your 800 number again for your books.
	I want you to be able to do that.
	It's 1-800-231-1776.
	231-1776.
	And they can call my office direct, if they wish, on area code 619-732-3097.
	one seventeen seventy six three one seventeen seventy six i think all my
	office directly which on eric had six one nine every three three zero nine seven
	and my website is dot b dot b dot b dot
	river speech dot com all right and we have a link up for you are tonight and for
	the next few days okay i have my website so they can jump across making here
	Many, many examples of what you've been doing tonight, right?
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	On the webpage.
	Yeah, there's at least a couple of hundred reversals there.
	We have a training class starting in San Diego.
	Okay, David, we're out of time.
	Okay.
	We're out of time.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much.
	It has been a distinct pleasure.
	David John Oates, and we will be right back.
	The trip back in time continues, with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
	More, somewhere in time, coming up.
	Tonight, tonight we're gonna make it happen.
	Tonight we'll put all of the things aside.
	Give in this time and show me some of that.
	🎵Music🎵 Somewhere in time, with Art Bell, continues, courtesy of Premier Network.
	All right, well, good morning.
	David John Oates has been my guest for the last two hours.
	I'm sure there's going to be reaction.
	My fax machine is burning up.
	For example, Art, my first reaction to David's research was that statistically, in anybody's normal speech, there would exist a probability that if played backwards, there'd be audible sounds to be heard.
	What sold me that reverse speech may be legitimate science is that young children have reverse speech first.
	What is the statistical probability that reverse speech would be more linguistic or audible and more detectable to the pediatric mind?
	Probability must be very high.
	Or this.
	Dear Art, I'm Chris from Normal, Illinois.
	And I was suspicious of David's speech reversal, so I tried it myself.
	I searched the net for a wave of the moonwalk.
	I found one on the Apollo 11 homepage.
	I figured it was high quality, non-tampered with, so went into my Wave Studio software and played it in reverse.
	There is no doubt this is the real thing.
	Now, let's determine what it exactly means.
	From Chris.
	So it's been an interesting two hours, and sometimes it is our job here to expose you to things you have not been exposed to before.
	That's what we just did.
	We'll see how the reaction sets in.
	If you want to know more about reverse speech, David's website is now available through ours.
	So as usual, if you go to my website, you'll see right at the top of the Now the very first item there will be a link to David's website.
	There you can hear many more examples of what you heard in the last two hours.
	My website is www.artbell.com.
	www.artbell.com.
	No space in there.
	A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
	Art Bell.
	Alright, let's look at a little bit of the news and then we will do open lines for the remainder of the evening.
	The House has overturned the President's veto of a bill that would outlaw a certain abortion procedure.
	The awful one.
	The vote was 285 to 137.
	It's called a partial birth abortion and it's horrible.
	It now goes to the Senate and there the odds are the votes do not exist to turn it around so the president is going to have his way the pentagon incredibly is notifying five thousand more americans that indeed they now have information they were exposed to chemical agents in Iraq and a lot of vets are really damn angry about this they have a right to be
	For years and years and years, our government denied that this happened.
	Denied it again and again and again.
	There were no exposures.
	All those chemical alarms that went off out there, they were false alarms, the Pentagon said, and now all of a sudden, it's so anymore.
	Either they just got new information, if you want to believe that.
	Fine.
	They covered it up.
	You tell me what you believe.
	The head of our CIA, besides having to contend with his webpage being tampered with, boy did they hack the CIA webpage.
	So badly, the CIA pulled their webpage down in complete embarrassment.
	While the CIA head was sitting in front of Congress, saying, in essence, Saddam Hussein, since the strike, is stronger than ever before, more in control of Iraq than ever before, and more of a danger to his neighbors than ever before.
	So, in other words, the mission that could not be discerned, the objective that wasn't, has resulted in more power for Saddam and a splintering of the coalition that opposed him.
	A very, very interesting story about Korea.
	Not running on a lot of the wire services, why I don't know NBC television ran it though.
	There is really something going on in Korea.
	A North Korean submarine ran aground in South Korea.
	It was abandoned They showed photographs of it on NBC.
	I mean, just sitting there sloshing around in the ocean.
	Those who were on board, of those who were on board, and they were heavily armed commandos, eleven are dead, thought to have committed suicide.
	When it was obvious their mission was floundering along with their submarine, they committed suicide.
	Seven more have since been hunted down And killed by the South Koreans.
	One was captured alive, and you could actually hear him being tortured on NBC.
	They poured four bottles of Korean liquor down his mouth, trying to get him to talk about his mission.
	You could hear him screaming as they did this.
	Our Pentagon believes What's going on is one of three things.
	Either it was an act of terrorism, a big one, or it was a destabilizing effort, you know, trying to destabilize the South Korean government.
	Or the worst fear of all, it is a pre-invasion.
	The Pentagon has said, and I will quote, prior to an invasion, quote, Agent landings would be used.
	Perhaps before the opening artillery fire, snipers would be assassinating, kidnapping, and interrogating key personnel, or hinder Allied operations and lower morale.
	So, the Pentagon is considering this may be a pre-invasion move by the North.
	The U.S.
	immediately issued a warning to North Korea, saying the U.S.
	will in fact defend South Korea.
	So I don't know where this came from, right out of nowhere, but a submarine with commandos, heavily armed commandos on board, of which eleven commit suicide, seven are murdered, and one is tortured on American national TV And the Pentagon is saying it may be a pre-invasion.
	Holy mackerel!
	And while the U.S.
	is giving assurances that we would go back and fight for South Korea, I have always wondered at moments like this whether, in fact, we would.
	Whether you would fight to defend South Korea, The military will do, in fact, what it is ordered to do, so I guess I'm talking more to those of you who are not yet in the military.
	I'm well aware the military will do it.
	They will do as they are ordered to do.
	But would the American people support another war in Korea?
	I don't know about that.
	Well, as I told you last night, it did occur, the Clinton administration has now scrapped plans for the first manned mission to Mars early in the next century.
	They're not going to do it.
	This is a major reversal.
	We are not going to Mars with man.
	It is reasonable to ask why, is it not?
	Art, here's a fact on it.
	Is it any surprise the government within the government has put the kibosh on the Mars trip?
	There is no longer a cover-up, in my eyes.
	Now, it's simply a situation where the existing powers are saying, via their actions, Yeah, we know all about it.
	By von Mars, Cydonia, Roswell, alien abductions.
	But we're not going to tell you the details.
	Deal with it.
	What are you going to do about it?
	Who are you going to cry to?
	Nobody.
	So, just sit there and take it.
	And that may be a bit of the kind of attitude that we're looking at.
	You know who I spoke to earlier today?
	Denise Marcel.
	She sent me a fax.
	Major Marcel's granddaughter.
	You know, you really ought to interview my dad.
	Jesse Marcel, Jr.
	Doctor, actually.
	He's a doctor.
	And so I'm going to pursue an interview with Dr. Marcel.
	He is the young boy who, as a young boy, put his hands on the crashed Roswell materials and I've got a contact number for him, so I am going to certainly pursue that.
	The shuttle has retrieved Shannon Lucid.
	She'll come home, possibly facing disorientation, less bone, about eleven and a half percent, twenty percent loss of muscle, possibly a shrunken heart.
	We'll have to learn how to walk on Earth again.
	Meanwhile, This is the old, it's an old sick joke, but in one of the rocket boosters that fell back to ground, they found inside, rattling around, inside the rocket booster, a five-inch wrench!
	I'm not kidding.
	A five-inch wrench!
	And NASA said, we really shouldn't be flying like this.
	Oh, kidding!
	I mean, an organization that is so meticulous in every other way, and wears clean suits in labs, and is so careful, a five-inch wrench inside one of the booster rockets!
	Holy mackerel!
	Then NBC also did a story on global warming.
	Global warming I've always been a little unsure of.
	I rather think this ozone hole is real.
	The depletion of the ozone across our continent is also real.
	Global warming I've never been as sure of.
	The World Wildlife Fund, though, says, with regard to geese and songbirds, that their entire existence may be threatened.
	Rising sea levels may wash away habitats for these animals.
	Rising sea levels.
	Changes in the start of seasons, in other words, when summer begins and fall and winter and so forth, are going to begin to confuse the migratory birds.
	And, for example, here in North America alone, one-half of the ducks could die As wetlands across America succumb to droughts.
	So, you tell me, do you think this is real or something cooked up by the environmentalists to cause us to spend money and begin to cripple industry?
	Or do you believe it may be true?
	And we may be doing a dangerous thing with the industrialization that we presently have.
	I don't know.
	I don't know about global warming.
	I haven't made up my mind about it yet.
	Some days I think so, and other days not.
	At any rate, stay where you are.
	We'll be right back.
	open lines coming up.
	tonight featuring coast to coast a m from september nineteenth nineteen
	ninety six all right it's going to be open lines for the uh... the
	rest of the evening I'm going to go ahead and close the video.
	There is one other thing that I think you should know.
	Zachariah Sitchin has expressed an interest in coming back on the program, so I am also pursuing that interview.
	I got a call from an associate of his, and so we are trying to set up an interview with Zachariah Sitchin.
	I cannot tell you when it will occur, or even for sure if, but I would say there's a pretty good chance.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, this is Marty in Oakland.
	Hi Marty!
	Hi, I wanted to ask a question.
	You know you had Richard Hoagland on last Friday night and he was talking about the superconductivity and I was wondering if I know that certain pest control companies use liquid nitrogen or whatever Yes.
	And they pump it into the walls of a particular house.
	Yes.
	And what I was wondering is, I wonder how it would work if you used, let's say, the superconductivity and if they somehow found a way to mix the liquid nitrogen with, if they could make the superconductivity material into a powder and somehow mix it and inject it with the liquid nitrogen into the walls.
	Of a particular house or... and somehow... Wait a minute, I think I'm with you here.
	And then you take the 440 volts incoming to your house, plug it into the wall, and your entire house takes off.
	Oh no, I didn't want to do that.
	Too bad, it sounded good.
	What I wanted to do was... You know with dimmer switches and RFI and stuff like that?
	Yeah.
	The wiring in the building acts as an antenna.
	Basically, I was wondering if an end application might be to somehow negate that somehow.
	No, I don't think that the whole idea was to negate RFI or radio frequency interference.
	I like my idea.
	You simply get this powder form and you get superconductivity around the walls of your house.
	You plug in whatever high voltage you can muster, and like Dorothy's house, without the aid of the tornado, it rises and floats in the cloud.
	Clouds, I mean.
	And then on a nice day, think of the view you would have.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	East of the Rockies, right?
	That's right.
	Good morning, Eric.
	Good morning.
	Where are you?
	Rochester.
	All right.
	New York.
	Yes, sir.
	I still can't find the Mayo Clinic.
	I've been living here 15 years.
	Anyway, I admire you so much that you don't have screeners.
	Well, it's just more fun.
	Yeah, that's what I was saying.
	One of the things I'd like to... I'll give you a complaint about your program.
	Sometimes you have a little bit of a screwball on your program.
	At the other times, though, if it wasn't for you, I don't think I'd be voting for Harry Brown this year.
	Well, look, my program is literally different every night.
	I do an experiment with all kinds of different things from the norm that you'll hear on political elsewhere, political talk shows elsewhere, to the unusual.
	And that's what I do.
	I mean, you can choose to listen or not.
	No, I do listen to you all the time.
	Well, okay.
	One of the things I wanted to ask you, though, was I came in late from work one evening, and I only caught two minutes of the program, and you were doing an interview with Andrew McDonald.
	I've never interviewed Andrew McDonald.
	So not only did you come in... I think you did.
	Who?
	I don't recognize the name.
	The Turner Diaries.
	Oh!
	Absolutely correct.
	I don't think that's his name, though.
	Andrew McDonald?
	I remember the interview on the Turner Diaries.
	I think you've got his name wrong.
	No, I don't.
	I really don't.
	But regardless of what his name is, when you interviewed him, after that, a couple weeks ago, I was in the bookshop and I picked up that book.
	And?
	I was just wondering.
	I never read it.
	Uh, you did say that you read it.
	No, I didn't.
	I thought you said you... No, I said that I saw the interview on 60 Minutes.
	Oh, okay.
	I beg your pardon, then.
	I'm sorry.
	But you did interview.
	I was just wondering, what sort of man is he?
	I mean... That's why I did the interview, sir.
	Yeah.
	So that you could determine what sort of man he is.
	But you only got two minutes of it.
	Well, you didn't...
	Alright, I see.
	Well, I would suggest to you that you order a copy of that program so you can comment intelligently on it.
	That was the whole purpose, you see, of doing the interview.
	The kind of man that he is can be reasonably well discerned from the interview that we did.
	That's why I did it.
	So, rather than give you an assessment, or my assessment, Of the man, which I think was obvious to those who listened between the lines, even reasonably carefully.
	Forget the reverse speech.
	Just check out the forward stuff.
	I think it'll be very obvious.
	I still think that you've got it.
	He had his name wrong, but I'll have to check into that.
	It was an interesting interview in a lot of ways, and I did it in the spirit that I do a lot of the interviews I do.
	Uh, not necessarily because these are wonderful people, or even good people, just because they are people with ideas that cause other people to think.
	That's kind of what we do around here.
	And, uh, it's different all the time.
	Otherwise, it would get boring.
	This is Premier Networks.
	That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
	This is a test.
	This is a test.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1996.
	Let's take the word kook.
	You know, that's what that caller said.
	Sometimes you have kooks on.
	A lot of times, the use of the word kook, when you examine it carefully, comes from somebody who simply is suddenly being exposed to a new idea that they don't understand.
	So to them, it is kooky.
	That doesn't make it kooky.
	It just makes it kooky from your perspective, or your lack of understanding.
	Uh, so, um, that's what we do here sometimes.
	We have kooky people on.
	But sometimes, they're really not so kooky after you, you know, you've had an opportunity to sit down and think about it a little bit.
	You start to, uh, You're provoked, and you begin to think about it, and then all of a sudden it doesn't seem quite so kooky.
	I love that kind of stuff.
	You know I do.
	Art thought you might find this interesting.
	I normally listen to Dreamland, but due to increased business, I don't normally listen during the week anymore.
	I just can't get old, I guess.
	Anyway, there was a news bulletin handed to Rush this afternoon.
	And it's not verbatim, but it basically says the following.
	The President, Bill Clinton, announced today a new space policy that will benefit all of the people of the world.
	He announced a policy to put robot space vehicles on Mars by the year 2000, thereby expanding the space program and opening up Earth to, quote, free and fair trade with anyone or anything occupying other worlds, end quote.
	Amazing.
	I wouldn't know how to respond to that.
	Then he goes on to say, or maybe he's just about to declare Mars a national monument.
	All I could think about was Charles Wonton.
	That is right, isn't it?
	Turner Diaries?
	Somebody else help me out there.
	Charles Wonton, I think, was correct.
	A very provocative interview and worth doing because it did reveal the nature of the man.
	Now, I would not attempt to render to you my impression.
	It wasn't necessary.
	If you heard the interview, which unfortunately you obviously did not, you would have garnered some knowledge on the subject of that man.
	Longhorn Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	My name is Bennett.
	I'm calling from Warner Robins, Georgia.
	Well, hi, Bennett.
	How are you?
	Fine, sir.
	And, uh, concerning the gentleman on the reverse, um, well, the reverse tapes, the fact, um, you had on earlier... Yes, turn your radio off, Bennett.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I apologize.
	That's all right.
	It's a normal thing.
	When you get on the air, you hear me answer.
	Turn it down right away.
	Yes, go ahead.
	Okay.
	Take a situation where a person who is being taped, maybe making a speech, maybe a certain politician, Who has the, you know, a defect situation, like he's a psychopath, you know, a sociopath, which almost, by definition, almost has no, quote, conscience.
	In other words, there's no steel little voice in there that's going to be correcting him.
	Well, actually, you pretty well define politicians generally.
	Oh, really?
	No comment, but I tend to agree.
	But you see, the point I was getting at is that if a person has such a character defect, like being a psychopath... Well, but reverse speech, according to everything I just heard in the prior two hours, would reveal that, because it comes not from the conscious, but from the subconscious.
	So, even the congenital liar has no...
	No sway over what he says in reverse.
	Okay, I had tried to catch almost all of the program, and I may well have missed a few minutes here than there, so I wasn't 100% sure.
	Yeah, that's the whole idea.
	If you tell the truth in forward speech, according to my guess, that is affirmed in reverse speech.
	If you lie, that is contradicted in reverse speech.
	Uh-huh.
	That is obviously the key point there.
	Well, thank you so much.
	I've been listening for about three months to you.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	I'm delighted.
	I'm a patient and sometimes I have some problems with insomnia.
	You've been a blessing.
	Thank you very much.
	Glad to help out.
	I've had some insomnia problems myself from time to time.
	Maybe because of the hours that I work.
	I don't know.
	I sleep in split shifts and that's probably not good.
	You know how I got started with that?
	I used to sleep solidly during the day.
	And you know who I have to thank for that?
	O.J.
	Simpson.
	Because I had to see that trial.
	I was hooked on it.
	And so I would sleep early in the morning, get up, watch the trial that generally would start around 10, sometimes 11 or 12.
	They would delay it endlessly.
	And I would watch the trial during the day and then go back to sleep at night.
	And I got into that habit and I am still not out of it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hello, how's it going?
	It's going.
	Where are you, sir?
	Ah, North Battleford, Saskatchewan.
	Okay.
	And, uh, am I talking to Art Bell?
	Yes.
	Wild, holy, do you ever sound different on the phone?
	Nobody ever says that.
	Wild.
	Um, yeah, I'd just like to talk about a few things, uh, like, uh, about not going to Mars there.
	What do you think of that?
	Not much.
	Not much?
	I don't like it much.
	I wanted to go to Mars.
	Well, not personally, but I wanted man to go to Mars.
	Oh, definitely.
	They ought to be covering up something if they don't want to go there, like.
	Well, you know, that is one conclusion you can come to, that there is something there that they don't want us to meet face to face.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And another thing, what is this with nano, like nanotechnology or whatever it is?
	Those are Little tiny, almost cellular-sized machines that ultimately would be able to be injected into your body, as an example.
	Wild.
	And go in and fix you.
	Wild.
	Okay, well, thanks a lot.
	Right.
	Nanotechnology.
	Fascinating stuff.
	We did a number of interviews on nanotechnology and what it may eventually do, and it is really, really wild.
	First Time Callers, Area 702-727-1222.
	Hold it, hold it.
	Alan, you just committed a sin.
	You're not allowed to use your last name on the air.
	Sorry.
	Let's begin again.
	It's Alan in Honolulu.
	Right.
	Turn your radio off, Alan.
	That's the second deadly sin.
	Sorry.
	Great show you've got.
	Thank you.
	I'm sitting with my cat on my sailboat in Canoe Lagoon.
	You're in a sailboat?
	Yeah.
	You poor thing, you.
	Oh, it's great.
	In Honolulu.
	Yeah, in Honolulu.
	In a sailboat.
	Yeah, rough.
	I have a cat named Ra.
	You what?
	He's the Egyptian Sun King.
	Oh.
	And he's sitting right here.
	Has he said anything?
	Meow.
	I'm talking to you on my cell phone.
	I see.
	Well, anyway, this is great to talk to you.
	You've got a great show.
	Let me ask you this.
	Do you believe Richard Hoagland?
	With respect to what?
	Every word he utters?
	The items on the moon?
	Oh, the items on the moon.
	All right.
	I think that if you look carefully into it, there is something to what Mr. Hoagland says.
	He spent hours and hours with regard to the artifacts on the moon, and I think there is something there.
	Do I believe him with regard to what's on the moon?
	I believe that he is sincerely convinced by his research.
	I cannot claim to be as deeply into it, nor as convinced.
	The Mars research is quite clear and quite compelling.
	And there's been a lot of scientific backup work done to what Mr. Hoagland has said.
	He wrote a paper on life on Europa 17 years ago, for which he has been now finally really given credit in the major media.
	So, I guess that would be my answer.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	My name is Les and I'm calling from Salt Lake City, Utah.
	Yes, sir.
	And I really love the music that you play on your show.
	Thank you.
	And I just wanted to know what was the name of the song that you played at the bottom of the last hour?
	It's called Africa.
	And it's by Kuzco.
	Okay.
	Is that an older one?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, what did you play at the bottom of this hour?
	Was that also Kuzco?
	Yeah, that was... I'm sure you're referring to this thing, right?
	I know, I was talking about the one from the hour before that.
	At the bottom of the hour list.
	Now you're talking about the hour before that.
	Yeah, it sounds like, uh, I think it was like from one of those classic rockers.
	Um, sing it to me.
	It has the, uh, it kind of sounds like water dripping.
	Oh, sure, that's Pink Floyd.
	Pink Floyd, yeah.
	Okay, what's the name of that song?
	Um, I'm sorry, I can't remember.
	Somebody will tell us.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	Yeah, that was great.
	Also, I was wondering, do you still deal with the people from Luprina?
	Not at the moment, but they're going to be back.
	Okay, because my wife has arthritis really bad, and she is also diabetic, and we're having really hard problems, you know, finding medications for that, you know, doesn't mess with her stomach, and I was wondering if that Luprina would be good for her.
	Well, I'll give you the number.
	Okay.
	It's 1-800-308-4565.
	Okay.
	That's great.
	Okay, well, I appreciate it.
	All right, sir.
	Take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Charlie in Riverside.
	Well, made it back, huh?
	Let me tell you.
	Kicking back for a while, let me tell you about these idiots in Utah and their five lousy electoral votes and how intelligent Bill Clinton is.
	Bill Clinton has just grabbed the environmentalist vote today.
	Yeah, I know.
	And helped himself to Northeast.
	I know.
	And you've got these idiots in Utah.
	It's kind of funny.
	Here they are complaining and threatening Clinton like, we're not going to give you our five lousy electoral votes that we've never given a Democrat in the first thing.
	Well, you're not demonstrating how brilliantly environmental he is.
	You're demonstrating how brilliantly political he is.
	In other words, he doesn't give a rat's behind.
	He doesn't give a rat's behind about the people of Utah.
	What he cares about is votes from California.
	Well, I think it's a little bit of both.
	I think Al Gore is more of an environmentalist than Clinton, and I think it shows you that Al Gore does have Clinton's ear.
	You know, here's a complaint that a lot of people have about the way American politics works in the electoral college.
	Very small states like Utah that only have five electoral votes, or six, or whatever it is, basically have no voice.
	I know, I live in a state like that.
	Remember Nevada?
	Remember the Screw Nevada bill?
	This is simply the Screw Utah signature.
	Well, the thing of it is that's a negative to our system, so these people who are crying For the end of the Electoral College, that is a major thorn right there.
	Unfortunately, we're going to be stuck with this old worn out thing until we have another election where somebody gets the majority of the popular vote and loses in the Electoral College.
	I thought you were talking about the President there.
	Let me say lastly, though, that we have to be concerned.
	This is a major difference between we liberals and you conservatives.
	We are concerned about the environment and concerned about the future.
	You guys are concerned with big bucks and making money.
	Period.
	You know what?
	I really wish that I thought President Clinton did that for environmental reasons, but you and I both know better, don't we?
	Well, you know, this is why I love Clinton-Gore.
	Clinton is a political animal.
	A ruthless political animal.
	Yes, he is.
	Gore, on the other hand, is a true liberal environmentalist.
	Yes, he is.
	And they're a terrific team.
	I actually agree with you, but Mr. Clinton's decision to do what he did in Utah didn't have a damn thing to do with anything whispered in his ear by Al Gore.
	It had to do with raw politics.
	Here are the votes.
	I can get them if I do this.
	And I can do this with my signature, so let me do it.
	I doubt he even talked to Al Gore about it.
	You know what?
	I don't have a problem that I have with you conservatives.
	You know what?
	You're probably 100% right, and basically, I could care less about it.
	Bill Clinton understands that winning re-election is the bottom line, and as far as I'm concerned, If that helps in this end as far as helping us liberals, that's fine because I'll tell you what, he's been very ruthless on the other end.
	He signed that welfare bill and he signed a lot of conservative things also that made us unhappy on this end.
	Well, I hope somebody's taping you and they'll come and play you in reverse.
	Well, I think it's good to have an intellect, because this is one thing I'll give you Republicans credit for.
	The last 20 years, you guys have had the best politicians.
	Finally, we get a Democrat that happens to be a decent politician.
	And that's a major, major relief.
	Because I'll tell you what, we've had our Dukakis's, our Mondale's, and they've been nice, kind... That's like saying, when you're talking about a decent politician, those words just don't... It's like saying a decent...
	Second story, man.
	Well, it's a sad story, because the bottom line is that to be a politician, unfortunately, you have to have some ruthlessness to your nature.
	And a lot of guys who happen to be like Jimmy Carter is a terrific guy, a nice guy, but he's soft-hearted as hell.
	Same thing is true with Bob Dole.
	And to be a good politician, it's unfortunate, but you do have to be somewhat ruthless.
	Well, the difference is, though, Charles, if you look, for example, at Ronald Reagan, There was a man with great oratory skills.
	There was a man who, I think even you would agree, had the ability to project a kind of a father image.
	However, what he did have that Bill Clinton doesn't have is fixed ideology.
	In other words, Ronald Reagan really believed what he said, regardless of how you feel about it, He believed what he said, and it came from a core conviction that this president does not have.
	And this president is a pure politician.
	He has the political skills without the ideological grounding from which to make decisions.
	So his decisions are based by wetting the finger, putting it in the air, judging the
	direction and heading in that direction.
	You are listening to Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1996.
	Thanks for watching.
	Back to the lines.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Eric.
	Yes, sir.
	This is George.
	You're up here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada again.
	CAGD.
	Yeah.
	But the problem is, is they don't carry you until, I think it's two o'clock your time.
	That is correct.
	Three hours of your show I missed.
	I didn't even get to hear that gentleman talking about reverse speech.
	I know.
	And it was an absolutely awesome, awesome program.
	Now, maybe they carry more of it on the weekend.
	We'll have to find out.
	In the meantime, it was such an unusual, interesting interview that maybe I'll figure a way to carry it one of these nights later in the show.
	In the meantime, you guys call CHED if you want to hear more of the program.
	Hey, could I ask you one question?
	Sure.
	I'm just curious to know what came out when that baby said what's that about the video recorder there.
	Okay, you've got it a little wrong.
	If you'll listen on the air, I'll repeat it for you.
	These were infants, and I believe it was a seven-month-old, his seven-month-old child, and because he is very interested in reverse speech, he was running around the house, he had twin girls, and recording, you know, baby babble, baby babble, and he was holding this tape recorder in front of his baby's pretty little baby face, and she uttered some baby babble, but reversed, Reversed?
	It clearly was, what's that?
	In a child's voice, what's that?
	You know, obviously referring to the tape recorder being held in front of the child's face.
	It stood your hair right up on end.
	I guarantee.
	Um, I really don't know what to tell you except that, of course, our program is new in Canada, and they're sort of, you know, trying it out on you all, to see how you like it.
	And so if you like it, why call them up and tell them it sure would be nice if you would carry more of the program.
	If you hate it, call up and say, get that crazy man off our airwaves.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Art?
	Yes, sir.
	Hi, this is Dennis from California.
	Hello.
	About to handle it to be exact.
	Yes, sir.
	K-A-B-C land.
	Yes, sir.
	Hey, I wanted to know, do you know anything about what they sometimes call sleep paralysis?
	Yes.
	Can you explain some of that, because I thought I heard you talking about it a while back, and I didn't quite catch everything.
	What do you know about it?
	Well, only that it seems to be a state in which people awaken, or maybe they're in that sort of twilight between sleep and wakefulness, and they're in a state where they cannot move, they can't budge a muscle, They, even forcing themselves to try to move, they are virtually paralyzed.
	Yes, that's something I suffer with probably about three times a month.
	It would be frightening.
	Oh, it's horrible.
	At first, I thought it was like the beginnings of an outer body experience.
	Now, do you think that when it occurs, you are fully conscious, or do you think you're in some sort of transitional state?
	Well, Art, I'll tell you, I am fully conscious because sometimes my eyes will be like a quarter of the way open and if I'm laying on my side I can see things in my room.
	I can see the window or the television set or the pictures on the wall.
	That would be frightening.
	And there has actually been a time, the last time it happened, where I had gone with the flow, the feeling of it, and I just let it be and I stopped fighting it.
	And what happened?
	It's a feeling of excessive acceleration.
	I felt like my feet were being propelled towards my feet.
	So in other words, you felt that if you had continued to let it go, something would have happened?
	Absolutely.
	And what I'm getting to is it was the time where my eyes were actually a quarter open, and I could see my hand, and I was trying to move my fingers, trying to move my hand.
	Couldn't do it.
	Couldn't do it.
	And then I felt like I was moving my hand.
	Listen, I have a newscast.
	Would you like to hold on?
	Absolutely.
	Alright.
	Sleep paralysis, huh?
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring coast to coast a m from september nineteenth nineteen
	ninety six the
	the the
	the you're listening to are filled somewhere in time
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AF, from September 19th, 1996.
	We're kind of in the middle of a conversation with a gentleman, and it is with respect to the... There's a problem called sleep paralysis.
	It's very real, and it's very frightening, and he has it.
	And we had not finished the conversation, and...
	So you're going to get to hear that now, if you're just joining us.
	What is your first name again, sir?
	Dennis.
	And where are you?
	I'm in Los Angeles.
	That's right, okay.
	Dennis, this involves waking up in the middle of the night, or sort of waking up, we're not sure which, but generally awake.
	If you can see items in the room, not being able to move a muscle or even twitch your eye, I suppose.
	And it's a frightening, frightening feeling, and a lot of people have it.
	And you said something interesting, that one night you decided to just sort of let it go.
	Right.
	Because a lot of times you fight it.
	Of course.
	Because nobody, nobody wants to be out of control.
	It's a terrible feeling.
	Right.
	So one night I decided, okay, I'm just going to see what happens.
	Because there's always some kind of a compelling feeling that there's something else that's going to happen.
	So I went ahead and just relaxed and went with it.
	There was a feeling of propulsion at an incredible rate from my head to my toes and going, I guess it would be to the west is the way my bed would face.
	It felt like I was being propelled.
	Once that stopped, there was a buzzing.
	When the onset of this comes, there is a buzzing, the best I can describe it, it's from your The top of your head to about the middle of your abdomen, and loud ringing in your ears.
	So as soon as the propelling was done, the buzzing sort of subsided.
	I could see my hand, because like I said, sometimes my eyes will be a little bit open, and I could see my hand there on the bed and I wanted to move it, wanted to move it, trying to move it, can't move it, and then it felt like it was moving, but it was still there.
	My hand was still there.
	And the way that I physically felt, I felt like I had raised my hand all the way up and extended my arm.
	Like it was out of your body?
	Like it was out of my body, yes.
	And I think that what this is, is the onset to an outer body experience.
	It may be.
	Yeah, and as this was happening, the buzzing in the abdomen and up to the head, the ears, the ringing, all that had increased.
	As the arm was being extended, but, you know, the physical arm was still there.
	Now, I don't know how this sounds to some of your callers, you know, but with the array of... To use an earlier caller's phrase, kooky, no doubt, but this is real.
	Yeah.
	There are thousands and thousands of people who have it.
	Yeah.
	And if there's anybody else, I'd love to hear their story.
	All right.
	Well, that's an interesting one, and I certainly appreciate your telling it.
	Thank you.
	That's a really strange, disconcerting thing.
	And I don't know that I could do what he did and let it go.
	I'm really not sure I could do that.
	I'm one of those control freak kind of people and I don't like the feeling of being out of control.
	Not one bit.
	It's frightening for me.
	Somewhere in time with Art Bell continues courtesy of Premier Networks.
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	Alright, well here's another comment on this reverse speech thing really grabbed people.
	Art, this is definitely real.
	David was correct in saying that reverse speech reveals what you are thinking.
	I experimented with my own speech and I was flabbergasted when I found out that when I was talking about my current relationship with a woman that I believe I truly love, I said things in reverse that were not too pleasant.
	I said, right now, I just don't understand.
	I guess don't want to.
	Just got upset.
	her relatives. Oh boy.
	Bye.
	Well, it was a very interesting program.
	We did a program on reverse speech in the first couple of hours of the show this morning, and it was fascinating.
	We had clips from the likes of Neil Armstrong and O.J.
	Simpson and all kinds of people, even some children, and those were absolutely astounding.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, this is Bill in Edmonton, Alberta.
	Hello, Bill!
	I'm just calling to tell you that I took your advice on Calling Chet on airing your entire program.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	And, uh, about sleeping paralysis, is it called?
	Yes.
	I myself experienced it once in my life and only realized it tonight.
	I was totally relaxed, lying on my side in my sleep, but I was there and I sunk through my bed, through my floor, into the basement.
	But I didn't struggle.
	And like someone that faxed you said, if you don't struggle and just relax, you can get up and start moving around.
	I did that.
	It was absolutely amazing when I think about it.
	Because two years ago it happened.
	Well, maybe I'll think it over and one of these days I'll muster up the courage, should it ever occur again, to let it go.
	I'm just not the kind of person that can let that kind of thing go.
	Yeah, you just have to relax.
	It is truly amazing.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	And the word to CHPD.
	They're experimenting with us up there.
	Who knows what the Canadian people are going to think of us.
	Crazy Americanas.
	No doubt.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	No, I just want sleep paralysis.
	Yes.
	I've suffered with this, too, and I thought maybe I was the only one.
	Obviously not.
	But, boy, it is really something, because you're conscious, you know what's going on, or I do, but I cannot get up.
	I can't move.
	Can't even move a finger?
	And it just drives you crazy because you can hear things going on, you know what's going on, but you cannot, you cannot move.
	And it's the honest truth.
	I just can't believe that so many people felt it.
	Obviously so.
	But anyway, I just wanted to share that and wanted to say one other thing.
	Well, before you do, have you ever let it go or have you always fought it?
	I fight it and fight it and try to get up and I think well if I can just get up it will go away.
	So I fight it but I cannot get up.
	So I just relax and just try to stay relaxed for a while and then it seems like after 30 seconds, 45 seconds then I can if I I understand.
	I appreciate your call.
	I'll tell you something.
	I saw a movie a number of years ago, a lot of years ago, called Johnny Got His Gun.
	If you ever get a chance to see that movie, if it can be rented, go rent it.
	that has a couple of the credit card i understand i i appreciate your call tell you something i
	saw a movie a number of years ago a lot of years ago called johnnie got
	his gun you're going to chance to see that movie
	uh... if you can be read it go read it it's probably the ultimate horror
	it concerned i'm trying to remember i think it was during the civil war
	era but it was a fellow who
	was wounded shots almost critically and went into a coma.
	For all the world to see, and know, he was in a coma.
	Only, imagine the nightmare, the horror, he really wasn't in a coma.
	He could hear everything going on around him he could hear the doctors and the nurses and this went on for years could hear everybody around him and it dealt with his inner feelings as he went through this and in the horror of that to be there and to not be there to the outside world you're in an irreversible coma alive and dead
	But in fact, conscious enough so you're hearing everything.
	Unable to move a muscle.
	Unable to open your eyes.
	Unable to communicate in any way with the outside world.
	And yet to be conscious and to hear what's going on.
	Imagine the horror of that.
	I think it was called Johnny Got His Gun.
	That just came to mind.
	A kind of a long-term sleep paralysis.
	Wild card line, you're on the air.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Is this FactVal?
	It is.
	Well, my goodness, I'm listening to you talking to someone else on the radio.
	Well, now, dear, you know the instruction is to turn your radio off when you get on.
	Well, I just did, but you were speaking with someone else as I was turning it off.
	That's because we have a time delay, my dear, and that's why you're instructed to turn down the radio.
	Okay, well, it's so great to speak with you.
	you I have been trying so long to get a hold of you and please wish Ramona my very best.
	I think she's a sweetheart.
	I will.
	I was listening to the fellow that you had on the air a while ago.
	His name is David Jones.
	Yes.
	He was talking about playing things backwards and dyslexia.
	Yes.
	As a child from about one to three, Um, I was extremely dyslexic and everything I said was backwards and nobody understood me.
	You know, I wonder if dyslexics can hear reverse speech.
	I don't know.
	I heard what they said.
	It made sense to me.
	But nothing that I said to them made any sense at all.
	But it made perfect sense to me.
	I wonder if a dyslexic speaking could be put into a computer and reversed and it would make sense.
	Well, that would be interesting.
	I think maybe it could.
	You never know.
	But eventually I learned to turn it around by myself, by copycatting what they were saying.
	And I had an interesting story I wanted to share with you.
	Yes?
	It would probably be more apropos on one of your ghost stories, Dave, but a friend of When we were in California we went to the Tonga Canyon and there were these little flat rocks that sat about two feet above this little pool of water and there was a little stream that went down into the pool and then on its very way.
	I had just had a very extremely traumatic experience.
	I was telling my boyfriend about it.
	We both were just very traumatized.
	Of course.
	Suddenly, every sound stopped.
	It was like we were in a vacuum.
	Yes.
	Um, uh, usually the crickets, they're deafening.
	Nothing.
	And the air was in a vacuum.
	I looked down into this little pool of water and I saw this little tiny baby, maybe nine months old, with a little white dress on laying in the bottom of the water.
	Now, she wasn't there when we sat down there, you know, just talking and looking into the water.
	And I looked off to my side and I saw two little shoes with little socks rolled neatly in them.
	And I became extremely frightened and I screamed at George, George get up get up I want to go I want to go and he was just like mesmerized he was just like stuck where he was he couldn't think or even hear me.
	Was he seeing this too?
	Yes but at the time I didn't know that and then finally I shook him and he came around he jumped up And literally picked me up on my feet and ran up this little sandy incline and we jumped into the convertible with the top down and started driving up out of the canyon and I said, why did you carry me?
	And he said, because there were snakes and lizards crawling all over your feet.
	And as we were going up out of the canyon I heard the first sound.
	And it was like a clip-clop, clip-clop, clip-clop.
	And here came a man on a black horse that looked like Abraham Lincoln with the hat, the cape, all black, the whole bit.
	Maybe it was him.
	And that was the only sound we heard.
	So what do you make out of all that?
	I don't know.
	I've talked to a lot of different people.
	And they said that I'm a sensitive, that I may have seen something from the past.
	You weren't pregnant, were you?
	No.
	So it wasn't something from the future.
	No, I was only 16.
	Alright, I appreciate your call and I don't know what to make out of that.
	I don't know what to make out of that.
	And apparently you don't either.
	Maybe it was just a result of the trauma that you described.
	I don't know.
	What do you say about those things?
	It's not yet October.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	I enjoyed your guest, David John Oates.
	Yes, wasn't that something?
	It really was.
	It's one of the only guests, and I've listened to a lot of your guests, that gave me goosebumps.
	It gave me goosebumps, too.
	You know the one that really got to me?
	I mean, there were many good ones, but the one that really got to me was a child.
	The child that said, what's that?
	Yeah, and actually the first one, the Bob Dole, it's an honor, got to me.
	The sing-songy portion of it, that's what made me uncomfortable.
	You can tell the sing-song... You can tell when you're getting a reverse speech message.
	Boy, I'm having trouble myself.
	Because it is sing-songy, and yes, I clearly heard that.
	And that made me, it just about had a I don't know, an evil ring to it.
	That's the only word I can come up with.
	It made the hair on my arm stand up.
	The sing-songy portion of it.
	Yes, I understand.
	Very uncomfortable.
	I wonder if any of the other listeners got that.
	All right, we'll ask.
	What about it?
	Did any of the rest of you get the same feeling?
	I did.
	I did.
	I was a little in doubt of doing this interview tonight.
	Frankly.
	I was a little in doubt.
	But I was intrigued enough to go ahead with it.
	And I now feel that I was absolutely correct to have gone ahead with it.
	No matter what you think of it, it was intriguing.
	Very, very, very intriguing.
	And there are certain aspects of it that ring true to me.
	And the one with the baby got to me.
	I'll tell you.
	It stood the hair up on my arms, too.
	Because that is exactly what you would expect a child to say.
	What's that?
	I mean, you're holding a tape recorder in front of its little gurgling face.
	And so if it were to say something, that would be what it would say.
	The natural curiosity of a child.
	No, it was absolutely fascinating, and I bet a lot of other people feel just about the same way.
	You know, it's first exposure to something new.
	Wild card line, you're on the air.
	Hi, this is Mike in Kansas.
	Hi, Mike.
	Hi.
	Great interview there earlier.
	Yeah, thank you.
	About the sleep paralysis, I used to suffer from that.
	And was it as he described?
	No, my symptoms were somewhat different, although some of them were the same.
	For instance, I do think it had something to do with astral projection.
	I used to hear a hum and be able to actually feel a vibration at the top base of my spine and my head.
	Now, you know, a medical doctor might say it's a form of sleep apnea, that your heart is skipping beats, that your blood pressure has undergone a sudden change that would account for the humming and the vibration you feel.
	What do you think?
	I don't think so.
	A couple other different symptoms I had, I wouldn't ever be able to see anything, but I could hear.
	Like if the radio was on, I could make out what they were saying and be able to repeat it when I woke up.
	And as far as moving goes, it seemed like I either had a choice.
	I could drift back off into sleep or I could fight it.
	And if I really, really concentrated on one body part, I could move that one body part, but it would take everything I had.
	Maybe you just had partial paralysis.
	No.
	I mean, I tried to move my whole body at once and it wouldn't move, but yet if I concentrated on just one little body part, I mean, I had to give it everything I had just to concentrate.
	I could move that one body part.
	That would frighten me.
	You see, though, you were able to do something he was not, no matter how he tried.
	You recall, he said he couldn't move.
	And when he finally did get some movement, it wasn't real movement.
	His hand stayed in place, and it was as though he was lifting his arm or his hand out of its physical structure.
	Well, when I first encountered this, it was very scary, but I was able, you know, like if I was laying on a couch next to the edge there?
	Right.
	If I concentrate it real, real hard, I mean, you know, it seemed like it would take forever to do it.
	I can concentrate real hard and say I'm going to throw myself off the couch and catch myself in order to come out of it.
	I wanted to come out of it so bad but yet I couldn't move.
	If I concentrate real hard I can throw myself off the couch and catch myself and then wake up.
	Very scary.
	One time I did remember to catch myself and landed right on my face.
	All right, my friend, thank you.
	I have not had sleep paralysis, but I have had the falling dreams.
	And I don't like those.
	I don't like those at all.
	I bet a lot of you have had those.
	You're suddenly falling.
	It's like you've just jumped off a cliff.
	And I have never hit bottom.
	I've had a couple people call me and tell me, I hit bottom and died.
	I don't think I'd enjoy that in a dream.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring coast to coast a m from september nineteenth nineteen
	ninety six a
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	Dancin' on Daddy and Danny We're lookin' up to the sky
	What can I say It changes me Ridin' in aんと the sky
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	We're lookin' up to the sky What can I say It changes me
	Ridin' in aんと the sky We're lookin' up to the sky
	We're lookin' up to the sky We're lookin' up to the sky
	somewhere in time.
	This is quickening material, and if you have children in the room, get them out.
	I'm serious, get children out of the room.
	I'm going to read this to you because it comes from a legitimate newspaper, the Orange County Register.
	But it is... It's horrible.
	It's really horrible.
	And if this doesn't exemplify what we're going through as a society right now, I'll just read it.
	It's entitled, Woman's Death Caused by Explosive in Body.
	A naked woman found lying along a highway near Syracuse, New York, was killed by an explosive device that had been inserted into her body.
	The district attorney said, quote, This was a horrible, horrible way to die."
	William Fitzpatrick said all that on Tuesday.
	Carol Ryan, 42, of Syracuse, was found September 1st in Jamesville, outside Syracuse.
	She died at a hospital.
	An explosive had been inserted into her vagina and then detonated.
	Emergency workers who treated her were given counseling.
	Police said they had no suspects and asked for the FBI's help.
	Now, you tell me that we're not in one sick society.
	Who would do such a thing?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Arch.
	Hi.
	Hey, it's Matt from Idaho Falls.
	Hi, Matt.
	KID, right?
	Yes, sir.
	A couple things.
	The reverse beat stuff was fascinating.
	Oh, yes it was.
	I was kind of got into listening to a little bit of, you know, back when the big rock music scared and all this satanic stuff.
	The masking, yes.
	Yeah, that was, but there were a couple of interesting things.
	That's right.
	That were quite clear.
	Yes.
	But that was really interesting.
	The other thing, the main thing I wanted to touch on was living out here in conservative land.
	I'm kind of a rarity of a lot of my friends, but I really applauded his deal to put aside some land in Utah, and I support that.
	I also supported the, oh, he kept that New World Mine from Northern Yellowstone.
	Look, I'm not totally oblivious to environmental concerns, but I can't say That I know enough about the land in Utah to know that all of that should have been put away.
	I know Bryce is one beautiful place, and I wouldn't want to see it hurt.
	Back to the thing about the reverse speech, don't you think that sing-song quality, if you listen to it, doesn't it sound suspiciously like a whale song?
	Yes.
	If you listen to it?
	Yes.
	Perhaps maybe scientists are going to have to look at the origins of speech going back a lot further than I think this is going to open up a line of research, and I really think there may be something to this.
	After listening to it, and after hearing reverse speech in that sing-songy fashion, there's something about it that rings true.
	Well, like you said, the ones with the little kids.
	You know, you listen to it and you think, oh, what a bunch of gibberish.
	But it was so clear backwards.
	And again, that sing-song equality to it was, boy, my thought was, boy, that almost sounds like a whale song.
	It's a good observation.
	It's a good observation, sir.
	There's a lot of things, thank you, and a lot of people who tuned in late aren't going to know what we're talking about, but it was the most remarkable couple of hours.
	If you don't get the first part of the program, you really need to contact your affiliate, whoever you're listening, whatever radio station you're listening to right now.
	Contact them and ask them to carry the first part of the program because there are many times when we do that kind of thing and this was one that should not have been missed.
	So contact your affiliate and politely request they carry more of the program.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey there, Art.
	Hi.
	What's up?
	I'd like to ask you if you're familiar with two different people in one organization.
	I'll start with the two different people.
	One is a guy named Truax, a while back, that was trying to build his own rocket and put a guy in space, and I never heard from him again.
	Maybe he became his own test subject.
	Ah, no.
	He was written up in Omni Magazine and a couple other publications.
	He was buying used parts from the government.
	I don't think it's lawful to launch your own spacecraft.
	You know, I think that's what he ran into.
	I think that's probably why I never heard of him again.
	Yeah, I think that NASA actually shut down a couple of efforts like that.
	We were talking about why it has no private enterprise on that, or a caller it was the other night.
	I just thought I'd mention his name again and see if anybody knew what happened to him.
	The other person is, I'm not sure if it's male or female, but there was someone named T.B.
	Palwicki that wrote a book called How to Build a Flying Saucer.
	There was an article that appeared on the internet, and I've got a copy of it.
	It's called, How to Build a Flying Saucer, and by God, it tells you how to build one.
	Yeah, and I had read it like a long time ago and had struck the copy away and didn't think very much else about it.
	It's basically armchair physicist type stuff, but there's some interesting things in there about the pyramids, and there's also some interesting things in there about Relating back to the disc in Arts Parts, the laminated disc of Magnesium and Bismuth.
	Really?
	Well, no, not directly, but he does talk about rotating discs and mass moving in eccentric orbits.
	So, in other words, you related it to what we know about Arts Parts so far?
	Yeah, well I went and picked it back up and read it again, and I'm not so sure if he knew what he was hitting on.
	I mean, we as humans with this technology, at least I feel kind of like a gorilla trying to play a violin, but it did interest me that the eccentric, erratic, supposedly erratic movement on the generator With the last test you did?
	Yes, sir.
	The fact that she was describing the motion, I'd like to see that video, if there's video of it, because I would like to know if perhaps it's doing an eccentric motion.
	All right, well, I'll tell you what we'll do.
	Thank you.
	That video, I talked to Linda Howe earlier today.
	The video that was done at Redstone, Uh, in Alabama, is in Linda's hands.
	It is being sent to me, uh, by a very fast method.
	Linda just got back home.
	And I will have that video in my hands shortly.
	The experiment done on the materials that were sent to me allegedly from the 1947 Roswell crash.
	It is a striking video, I am told.
	When I get it, I am going to create some AVI files, I can do that.
	And try and get them uploaded to the webpage.
	I hope they can do that.
	I trust that it can be done.
	Nearly anything can these days.
	And I will create those AVI files and put them up there so you can all see the results of this experiment for yourself.
	With one piece of arts and arts.
	So I should have that in the next couple of days and might be able to get it up, let's see today, well, Today is Friday, actually, isn't it?
	So I may not get it up until next week.
	But I guarantee you, it is coming.
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	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1996.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, this is non-partisan Tim in San Diego.
	How you doing?
	Long time no talk.
	It has been a while.
	I wanted to discuss this whole thing about marriage, same sex and otherwise.
	I think one of the problems, the main problem that we're running into is the non-separation of church and state again.
	We've got a marriage that's defined by religious definition.
	Holy matrimony.
	That's right.
	You said that you felt the courts would ultimately decide that same-sex marriage should be legal.
	I believe they will, yes.
	I think you're probably right.
	If you look at, if you remember, Rock Hudson, who turned out to be gay, and after he died, his partner, you know, was awarded by the courts the same type of settlement that a heterosexual couple would have been.
	Yes.
	So I don't see how the courts can... Well, I think it's obvious.
	I mean, if you look at the inability of the court in Hawaii to come up with any reason why it should not be, and their challenge back to the state to either come up with a reason why it should not be, or in effect saying it will be, then I think you're going to see the U.S.
	Supreme Court with the exact same problem.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Like it or not, I think ultimately the courts are going to decide that The homosexuals have the same right to... Yes, but for me the answer will remain not.
	I will not like it.
	No, I won't like it either.
	I personally don't like the whole idea of any couple being able to reap all kinds of special benefits because they decide to get married.
	Well, that's what you, but see, really the academic argument's on their side because they will not receive special benefits.
	That is to say, not any more special than you receive for being married, if you are, or any heterosexual couple receives.
	They simply want equal benefits.
	And the academic argument is really on their side.
	The lawful argument, ultimately, may be on their side.
	And the only arguments against them, frankly, are prejudicial, emotional, conditioned, And very real.
	But they just don't hold water in court.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Bart?
	Yes.
	I can't believe I'm talking to you.
	Well, you are.
	Where are you?
	In San Diego.
	Okay.
	First-time caller.
	KFMB.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	About the sleep paralysis.
	Yes.
	I have suffered from that for as long as I can remember.
	And within the last year I decided to experiment with it because I was frozen there anyway.
	Sure.
	I couldn't do anything else.
	And I started having that floaty feeling, well the buzz in my head.
	Really?
	You too, huh?
	It's icky.
	So I went with it and I started like leaving my body.
	I'd get up to the ceiling of my bedroom floor and I'd be afraid to go through it so I'd pull back.
	The next time it happened I decided to go all the way and I just went.
	I don't know where I went.
	I came back and decided I really didn't like this so please don't do it to me again and I really haven't had it.
	Well that's amazing.
	On the one hand you want to say it's a A kind of a seizure.
	Some doctors will say that.
	Grandma or whatever.
	But from what you've just said, that's something different.
	Fascinating.
	You say you don't know where you went.
	No, it was more kind of a dark place, I guess.
	There were like colored things.
	I thought I was just having terrible migraine headaches because that was the result of it.
	Afterwards, that intense buzzing and vibration, that's how it felt.
	It was just real bad migraine headaches.
	But listening to people, I've never heard of anyone else having it.
	I thought this was uniquely my own experience.
	I'm like, wow, there are others out there who have been illuminating to me.
	I appreciate the call and I can only relate to it in one way.
	This is a kind of an interesting story.
	Many years ago, I had had some dental work done, and this is the only way I can relate to what you're saying.
	I'd had some dental work done, and they gave me some codeine, and I apparently have some sort of allergy to codeine.
	And the dental work was all done, it was fine.
	And that night I went to a drive-in theater, and I had taken one of these codeines, And I passed out.
	But in the process, the only time in my whole life, as a matter of fact, that I passed out.
	In the process of passing out, I had that same rushing feeling, that same sort of vibrational rushing feeling that was, it almost brought on, frankly, nausea.
	And then I passed out.
	And the young lady who was with me at the drive-in theater, I mean, boy, talk about screwing up a date.
	Went, of course, immediately, and they called an ambulance.
	And the ambulance, you know, I don't know if you recall about drive-in theaters, any of you who are old enough to remember drive-ins.
	They are still out there, but not many.
	The ambulance came roaring in.
	You remember those things that come up out of the ground so that if you drive over it, your tire is shredded?
	The ambulance came in the wrong entrance, and all four of its tires got shredded.
	All four of them.
	And by then, of course, I was recovered, and I said, no, I don't want to go to the hospital, I'm alright.
	But here were these poor ambulance drivers sitting there with all four tires totally shredded.
	I mean, they just flew over that thing.
	And you can imagine what it would do to a tire.
	And, so I don't know why I just told you that, but it's the only time that I felt For several instants, what these people seem to be describing, and it was the period between consciousness and unconsciousness, and it was totally, totally frightening.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, good morning.
	Good morning.
	I'm Jane from Tennessee.
	Well, glad to have you, and I like your accent, Jane.
	I want to make two or three comments.
	The reverse speech, that was very, very interesting, but like a previous caller said, I got goosebumps also.
	I missed the first hour and I want to ask a couple of quick questions.
	Alright.
	Did he say that his stutter led him into that line of work, like to study speech?
	That's correct, yes.
	Obviously, he would be very, very interested in speech patterns, and so that's what led him there, sure.
	And then another caller said something about rock music and backward masking.
	Did y'all talk about that?
	We did, but it is not the same thing.
	Most back masking is done intentionally.
	I really hated that I missed the first hour.
	Okay, I also wanted to ask the sleep paralysis thing.
	Recently I heard a show on sleep disorders and the lady was saying that when you're in the REM state, the dream state, you are paralyzed.
	She said because if you didn't, You would get up and act out your dreams.
	I don't know if that's the same thing that your other callers are talking about.
	Maybe they're just dreaming.
	I don't think so.
	I've never had it.
	I hope it never happens to me.
	It's not fun.
	It's very disturbing.
	That's all I can say, and I just told the story about myself.
	Yeah, that was interesting.
	Interesting, yeah.
	And then one other comment about the reverse speech, I think it was a fact they said that he ever studied animals.
	Yes.
	And I have a parrot that talks, and since he said that the reverse speech Was it metaphors?
	Didn't he say that?
	Yes, he did.
	Well, sometimes it is a metaphor.
	Sometimes it's quite clear, and we heard examples of both.
	You ought to record your parrot.
	Yeah, that'd be fun.
	Okay, that's all I had this morning, and it was a really good show.
	Maybe you could have him again.
	Uh, no doubt.
	Uh, y'all, Pollywanna Cracker really means dumb, stupid, human, I'm hungry.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, uh, this is Kristen Seminole, and, uh, I want to say that I'm out and about quite often, but usually I don't recognize it until I'm already out there.
	But I've found that it helps quite a lot to move your neck if you feel the need to want to move much more quickly.
	Well, a lot of people can't move at all.
	Well, this has helped, but I've found that moving my neck doesn't much sooner, and it's said that the energy comes in through your medulla oblongata, the base of your spine, or the base of your neck, I mean.
	What did you think of the man who talked about the motor part of your brain and sleepwalking versus the intellectual part of your brain and sleep paralysis?
	I don't know, but I believe your astral body re-synchronizes with your physical body, and you just need to give it time.
	Well, right now, my physical body has got to end the program.
	Oh, thank you.
	Because that's it.
	So, you know what the honors are?
	I believe so.
	Well, let's hear your best shot.
	Good night, America.
	You've got it down.
	Alright, well that's it.
	I'm sorry, clock says we've got to go.
	If you get a repeat of the first hour, Trust me, you don't want to miss what's coming up.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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