David John Oates introduces reverse speech, a phenomenon where backward-played audio allegedly reveals unconscious thoughts—like Bob Dole’s "it's an honor" or Neil Armstrong’s "I'm scared." He claims it exposes hidden truths in politics (e.g., O.J. Simpson’s reversed cocaine references) and even predicts future events, though critics question audio distortion. Callers share sleep paralysis experiences, linking them to reverse speech’s eerie sing-song quality, while Art Bell ties it to potential subconscious deception in leaders like Clinton ("silly hit" regarding Foster’s death). The episode blends paranormal claims with controversial implications, suggesting reverse speech could reshape psychology, politics, and even our understanding of human communication. [Automatically generated summary]
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His name is David John Oates.
And I'll tell you all about Mr. Oates and what he studies, which is reverse speech.
Not fact masking, but reverse speech, and we'll delineate the difference here in a moment.
And you will hear examples of it by the likes of O.J. Simpson, Bob Dole, Bill Clinton, and others.
It'll be interesting.
He's got examples.
I've heard them.
and we'll get to all that that uh...
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First of all, I want to just thank you for bringing everyone out here to Corneaucopia just phenomenal knowledge.
I don't know of anyone else that I've ever listened to at radio that just fills my brain and stimulates me.
You know, I was listening to the show and I thought to myself, do you think, George, the common citizen such as you or I, really has any hope towards the future of any privacy or anything else?
I think we do.
I think eventually so many people will see the light, see what you see, see what I see, that eventually they're going to say enough is enough.
And I think that we do have a future and we're going to win in the long run.
It's going to be bumpy along the way.
It's not going to be easy, but we will get there.
That's my take.
And you know what?
As long as I can continue on the earwaves and tell people this, I shall.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1996.
Music All right, a very brief bio on David John Oates.
He is Australian-born, an Australian native, so he's got an accent, an Aussie.
David John Oates is founder and developer of reverse speech technologies and has been researching, reversing, I guess reversing, researching reverse speech full-time for the past 13 years.
He proposes a theory that language is twofold.
This is very interesting, forward and backward.
By analyzing speech played in reverse, newly discovered voices from the unconscious may easily be heard by a trained ear and, frankly, an untrained ear.
David's next training course in reverse speech begins in January of 97 at San Diego County and will meet one week, weekend a month that is, for a year following that.
Now, we will give out an 800 number for you as the program goes on, but we're going to begin by asking David a couple questions about what reverse speech is.
David himself has a speech impediment.
He, on occasion, stutters.
And I spoke to him, you know, I did a pre-interview earlier in the day, and I thought this was a fascinating thing.
It is indeed.
And I think that David's own speech impediment led him into study of speech, which then, well, we'll let him tell you how that happened.
Well, it was a series of coincidences, really, culminating in one single event.
I was the director of a halfway house for street kids in Australia and we had an evangelist from the United States travelling through and he was claiming that rock and roll was the devil's music and if you played recording backwards you could hear the voice of Satan.
Being a typical Aussie this was rather strange.
I went home that night and I just happened to have a tape player that played in reverse and so I caught a couple of my favourite album my favourite tapes and ran them back and much to my surprise I heard at the time what I thought were fairly clear and precise phrases.
I've been in amateur radio for many years and so I've got a fairly good ear tuned to sound and I know electronics fairly, fairly well.
So what I did for the first couple of months was I transferred all of these tracks backwards that I thought I was hearing and began playing them to friends.
And I set up several blind tests.
You know, I would initially I would just play them to and backwards and ask them what they heard.
Normally most people could hear one or two words in the reversal without prompting.
It's fairly difficult to get the whole sentence without being used to the sound.
So for that reason I will normally tell people first what the reversal says.
I could barely get one, I could barely string two words together.
It's actually one of the reasons why I got into hand radio, because I wanted to overcome this, you know.
And then when I started doing reverse speech and then had to suddenly find myself doing radio interviews, I was forced into a position where I just simply had to become bold and confident and just go and take them and just go and take it and run, run with it.
I actually have always considered to be quite ironic that I have a speech stutter because the speech reversals themselves occur in the pauses and starts to the speech.
If you ever sit down and listen to someone talk for any long period of time, you will hear their speech full of pauses and stutters and tonal inflections and errs and r's and oohs.
And we generally take most of that for granted.
But it's those very fluctuations in speech that cause the speech reversal to occur.
But I would like to give people your website address.
Well, I don't even need to do that.
What we can do is we've got a link up on our webpage now to your web page, and there are audio examples of reverse speech, some of what you're going to probably hear right now.
Yeah, it contains a lot of my research notes and a lot of my technical tests and verifications.
I've really tried to research this extremely meticulously because I knew that once the time came for me to launch this discovery onto the world, I would have to make sure that all my I's were dotted and T's were crossed because I'm expecting a fair bit of flat once this begins to hit.
And I have ample research evidence to back this up.
Well, let's start off with something fairly simple first.
This is Bob Dole resigning from the Senate.
Before I play this, let me just give a brief, just give me a brief technical description.
My claim is that reverse speech is a second form of communication.
As the brain is constructing the sounds of speech, it's constructing it in such a way that two messages are communicated simultaneously, forwards and backwards.
Now, reverse speech is also complementary.
By complementary, I mean that the forward and reverse dialogues directly relate to each other.
It will either confirm what's being said forward or deny what was being said forward or it will add extra information to what's being said forward.
Yes, because as you vary the speed, the sound doesn't change, because all you're simply doing is reversing the syllables, you know.
I also run it at three speed too, because the sounds of reverse beat tend to sound different than normal forward speed.
As a ham radio operate, you would know the sounds of single sideband.
It sounds very, very, very similar to single sideband, because essentially what you're doing is you are removing the conscious information from speech by reversing the tape, and you're left with the sidebands of speech.
He said it's an honor, and I think that Bob Dolan, no matter what you think of him, and there are many varied opinions, but he served honorably in the Senate.
I mean, the most amazing thing to me is that someone hasn't discovered this before, because they are occurring as clear as this, once every five or ten seconds of speech.
Well, now, once again, it depends on the speech itself, because the reverse speech is a right brain hemispheric function.
Forward speech is left brain, and reverse speech is right brain.
So as speech becomes more emotionally charged, the speech reversals will increase quite dramatically.
So you could have a left brain situation like a public media broadcast or a politician speaking and you may only get reversals once every 20 or 30 seconds.
But as soon as you go into normal, relaxed conversation or highly emotional speech, they will increase quite dramatically.
And we've done many tests, for example.
I've just run a tape backwards and I've just noted the percentage of speech reversals that occur in any given timeframe.
And you can get a fairly good indication of what type of speech it is coming from without knowing what from the forward.
May I, David, ask you to do one, make a request, special request.
Neil Armstrong made a statement in the White House, I think about a year ago, which was a very famous, very intriguing statement about going to places that will amaze us when the false veils are lifted.
And I'm considering my next sentence or whatever, and there are many times when I will suddenly, no, I meant to say one thing, absolutely, absolutely, something else comes out.
How many times have, you know, you've been talking to someone, for example, and you're thinking something, you are just about to say that, and then the other person in the room says it before you say it.
This will change the whole face of not just politics but the whole face of civilization once this hits because it essentially means the human mind is no longer private and every secret that has ever been hidden is stored on tape somewhere back in the archives.
People are going to go crazy because this will quite seriously propel society into a whole new age of truth and honesty because we now have no choice.
Considering what I'm saying about reverse speech as simply that now all we need to do to find out what someone is thinking is to record this speech and run it backwards, listen very carefully to what OJ is saying forwards in this next example.
The worst thing you can have, that you can ever have, is have your argument tape.
I would say, anybody out there that's married or that's in a relationship, just throw the tape recorder on, the next time you have an argument and play it back.
One of the things you see in reverse speech is past conversations repeated.
For example, if I'm telling you something I said to someone a week ago, the unconscious mind accesses that event, and if what you're saying forwards is not what was actually said, the speech reversal will say in essence what the real conversation was.
So in light of that, this is AJ talking forwards about what a lovely, compassionate man he is towards Nicole.
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When she had some very emotional issues with the men that she was involved with, she came to me.
I don't think a woman would do that if she felt that this person was insensitive or abusive and certainly not jealous or possessive.
We actually have quite a problem now because my German student is currently lecturing in German, Germany this week, and we're getting a fair bit of interest from there.
And so I have a problem on my hands because I have to go there next year to teach a training class.
And I don't speak German.
I'm going to try to coordinate with her and with her and myself.
Well, surprisingly enough, when I have my speech stutter, which is my speech impaired dement, I have very few reversals on my actual speech impaired dement.
But when I speak normally, you know, and I have the normal stutters and pauses that everyone does, that is where you'll find the reversals.
Yeah, and I've been doing my speech for 13 years.
It can be a pretty scary thing, you know, because we tend to live in a world of denial and create our own reality, what we think is real, and then to suddenly be confronted with your own voice.
And then after that, what I'd like to do is have a look at children, because one of the fascinating things I've discovered is that children are speaking backwards before they do forwards.
And language actually begins in reverse, before forward language begins.
And it's quite fascinating that you should say that what you just said because the example I'm just about to play you is when they were seven months of age and I was chasing them around the room with a tape player.
Yeah of course and one of the kids suddenly noticed the tape player and she reaches out for it with interest.
And so here is this sound forwards when she suddenly realised Dad had a tape player trying to get her to speak into it.
He, for 13 years, has been studying reverse speech.
And it is trippy, let me tell you.
Reverse speech.
In other words, simply playing somebody's speech, certain portions of it, in reverse.
The contention being the subconscious mind drives in reverse certain things to be said that are not said when you listen to it in a forward direction.
Examples, stunning ones from Bob Dole, Neil Armstrong, Leah Harvey Oswald, to a lesser degree, but still very stunning, O.J. Simpson, and most recently David's daughters, and I know he's on the line, so David, cue the one on your daughter up again.
That one was really a trip.
We'll replay that one.
David has a speech impediment himself.
He at times stutters.
That obviously led to an interest in speech.
We'll get back to David in a moment.
You're going to find this really fascinating.
Believe it or not, it sure is fascinating.
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Give me your perspective on where you think this is heading worldwide.
Is this all leading to a one-world government, a new world order, in order to contain what could very well be a planetary-wide uprising?
Well, yes, the governments are preying on the poor people.
You know, in most countries, the government is usually controlled by wealthy people.
You're seeing very much the situation that's set up to create a violent overthrow of countries.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1996.
So you being so interested, and I know about being compelled to do things, I'm very much that way myself, followed your little daughters before they could speak, putting a tape recorder in their little faces and recording their sounds.
And if you would give us that example one more time, I mean here you were chasing them around the house with a tape recorder, putting in their face.
So what you hear in reverse is so logical that it gives you the heebie-jeebies.
And if anyone would like to take this program and take the examples and go and put it on their computer, on the sound, and most computers you can reverse the sound, they will see that the whole, that all I'm doing is simply playing it backwards.
All right, and again, the contention is, if somebody, for example, is lying, the truth will be revealed in the reverse speech, which is going to make the politicians kill, David.
Let me do one more on kids and we can move on to some celebrities.
It depends on how long we've got.
One of the fascinating things about reverse speech, I'm currently only playing you fairly straightforward, simple examples of normal, forward, what are fairly logical stuff.
By far the greatest proportion of reverse speech speaks in metaphors or archetypes.
More than 90% of reverse speech language speaks in pictures and images because this is how the human mind at its deepest level processes.
And when we get into the metaphors of reverse speech is when the real power comes through because at the deepest levels, reverse speech is describing how human behaviour is formed and how personality is formed.
And the breakthroughs that it can offer in therapy are just mind-blowing.
But anyway, here's another one on kids.
This is, I think it's 14 months of age.
I just moved them from one room to another.
I was actually setting up a table to record, you know, and I just moved the kids from the lounge or into the kitchen and they were sitting around the table.
And you'll hear me shuffling papers in the background and then one of the kids makes quite a loud noise.
And one of the things we see in reverse speech is the young mind processing and sorting out information.
This is a tree.
That is mum.
That is dad.
I've just moved from this room to the next room.
And what reverse speech can offer child psychology is just, well, it's just mind-blowing because we can now have a way to trace the cognitive processes of children as they grow up.
I do a lot of work with kids and I've had a couple of kids being brought to me who have been in fairly traumatic experiences and one of the problems facing child psychologists is what is this kid thinking?
I mean what is really going on inside this child's mind?
Here she is talking about her latest movie and she's asked why anyway so let's play.
This is just coming online now.
Yeah I tend not to get into celebrities and politicians all that much quite frankly because most of my work is spent in my practice and I normally have the TV going in the background and if some interesting sound click comes on I whack it on.
So here's Whoopi Goldberg.
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How much fun was this film then to do?
Well it was a lot of fun you know because I got to play with all these guys.
And so you watch Tom Cruise over the next few weeks and months and just see how his demeanor changes.
And that's another thing that reverse speech does.
It has a whole category of reversals that I call future tense reversals that accurately predict what is going to happen over the next few weeks and days and months.
Because the unconscious mind, which has a wealth of knowledge, can with great accuracy predict what is going to happen in the future.
Some of my advanced studies with reverse speech indicate fairly strongly that a lot of what we call ESP, for example and intuition, psychic ability, is actually us hearing and responding to the reverse phrases.
Art Bell Yesterday I had a fax from somebody who said they clearly heard their cat in a conversation, or actually another cat, who challenged their cat and kept saying, who are you?
Who are you?
Who are you?
Demanding to know, who are you?
You know, as two cats meet, it was really kind of cute.
And then the other cat said, clearly, you ugly.
Then there was a cat fight.
And it was just a cute fact to read.
But here's an interesting angle.
Dear Art, remember last night's facts from the man who claimed that he heard the cat speaking English?
Has Mr. Oates ever tried analyzing the sounds made by animals to see if there's any meaning in them?
It would be interesting, too, to compare domestic animals and pets who grow up hearing human speech with wild animals that have never seen mankind.
That's Ron in Birmingham, Alabama, and he says, by the way, here's a personal experience, he claims.
One day, one of my cats went to the back door, looked back from the door to me, and clearly said what sounded very much like out.
It was clearly not meow, it was out.
And that is, it's kind of far out, but it is fascinating.
Silly hit, nerve the warn, they killed to stay, get out of it.
"Sue hit, there are absolutely no one who takes you out of the system alone." "Sue hit, there are absolutely no one who takes you out of the system alone." Okay, now that one was not as clear to me.
I work for the County of Monterey, California as a 911 dispatcher.
And for weeks before they would allow you to begin work, they would require that you literally sit there with a pair of headphones next to a real dispatcher, a front dispatcher, and listen because, frankly, things were occurring so rapidly and you were trying to keep track of so much that your ear wasn't calibrated and you literally didn't hear things.
And so they had you sit there for weeks in training learning how to hear it.
And backwards he says, I now see you will show them.
So what's happened is he perceives that Steve Fawcett is being very conrunt in his statement and his reversal confirms that using exactly the same words.
He says, show them in Steve Fawcett and then the reporter says, I'll now see you will show them.
One of the reasons why I do it in three speeds besides that is that when you run the tape backwards, the syllable count tends to increase.
And so you have the illusion that it's running faster.
And the reason why it increases is because reverse speech uses all the subtle intonations of speech.
So I might say a four-syllable phrase forwards.
I might say, I like this book, but yet I'll put an emphasis on books, and I might say, I, and so that will actually reverse to be two or three syllables.
So the syllable count nearly always increases as we continue.
Well, look, if it says what it says backwards, and anybody can do it, and you can do it with your own computer and come up with the same results, then they can't sue you.
All right, and we have a link up for you tonight and for the next few days at my website so they can jump across and they can hear many, many examples of what you've been doing tonight, right?
David John Oates has been my guest for the last two hours.
I'm sure there's going to be a reaction.
My fax machine is burning up.
For example, Art, my first reaction to David's research was that statistically, in anybody's normal speech, there would exist a probability that if laid backwards, there'd be audible sounds to be heard.
What sold me that reverse speech may be legitimate science is that young children have reverse speech first.
What is the statistical probability that reverse speech would be more linguistic or audible and more detectable to the pediatric mind?
Probability must be very high.
Or this.
Dear art, I'm Chris from Normal, Illinois, and I was suspicious of David's speech reversal.
So I tried it myself.
I searched the net for a wave of the moon walk.
I found one on the Apollo 11 homepage.
I figured it was high quality, non-tampered with, so went into my wave studio software and played it in reverse.
There is no doubt this is the real thing.
Now, let's determine what it exactly means.
From Chris.
So it's been an interesting two hours, and sometimes it is our job here to expose you to things you have not been exposed to before.
That's what we just did.
We'll see how the reaction sets in.
If you want to know more about reverse speech, David's website is now available through ours.
So as usual, if you go to my website, you'll see right at the top of the very first item there will be a link to David's website.
There you can hear many more examples of what you heard in the last two hours.
My website is www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com.
No space in there.
A-R-T-B-E-L-L, Art Bell.
All right, let's look at a little bit of the news, and then we will do open lines for the remainder of the evening.
The House has overturned the President's veto of a bill that would outlaw a certain abortion procedure, the awful one.
The vote was 285 to 137.
Now, it's called a partial birth abortion, and it's horrible.
It now goes to the Senate, and there the odds are the votes do not exist to turn it around, so the president is going to have his way.
The Pentagon, incredibly, is notifying 5,000 more Americans that indeed they now have information they were exposed to chemical agents in Iraq.
And a lot of vets are really damn angry about this.
They have a right to be.
For years and years and years, our government denied that this happened.
Denied it again and again and again.
There were no exposures.
All those chemical alarms that went off out there, they were false alarms, the Pentagon said, and now all of a sudden it's so anymore.
Now, either they just got new information, if you want to believe that, I'd they covered it up.
You tell me what you believe.
The head of our CIA, besides having to contend with his web page being tampered with, boy did they hack the CIA webpage, so badly the CIA pulled their web page down in complete embarrassment,
while the CIA head was sitting in front of Congress saying, in essence, Saddam Hussein, since the strike, is stronger than ever before, more in control of Iraq than ever before, and more of a danger to his neighbors than ever before.
So in other words, the mission that could not be discerned, the objective that wasn't, has resulted in more power for Saddam and a splintering of the coalition that opposed him.
A very, very interesting story about Korea.
Not running on a lot of the wire services.
Why I don't know NBC television ran it though.
There is really something going on in Korea.
A North Korean submarine ran aground in South Korea.
It was abandoned.
They showed photographs of it on NBC.
I mean just sitting there sloshing around in the ocean.
Those who were on board, of those who were on board, and they were heavily armed commandos, 11 are dead, thought to have committed suicide when it was obvious their mission was floundering along with their submarine.
They committed suicide.
Seven more have since been hunted down and killed by the South Koreans.
One was captured alive, and you could actually hear him being tortured on NBC.
They poured four bottles of Korean liquor down his mouth, trying to get him to talk about his mission.
You could hear him screaming as they did this.
Our Pentagon believes what's going on is one of three things.
Either it was an act of terrorism, a big one, or it was a destabilizing effort, you know, trying to destabilize the South Korean government.
Or the worst fear of all, it is a pre-invasion.
The Pentagon has said, and I will quote, prior to an invasion, quote, covert agent landings would be used, perhaps before the opening artillery fire, snipers would be assassinating, kidnapping, and interrogating key personnel or hinder allied operations and lower morale.
So the Pentagon is considering this may be a pre-invasion move by the North.
The U.S. immediately issued a warning to North Korea saying the U.S. will, in fact, defend South Korea.
So I don't know where this came from, right out of nowhere, but a submarine with commandos, heavily armed commandos on board, of which 11 commit suicide, 7 are murdered, and 1 is tortured on American national TV, and the Pentagon is saying it may be a pre-invasion.
And while the U.S. is giving assurances that we would go back and fight for South Korea, I have always wondered at moments like this whether in fact we would.
Whether you would fight to defend South Korea.
The military will do in fact what it is ordered to do.
So I guess I'm talking more to those of you who are not yet in the military.
I'm well aware the military will do it.
They will do as they are ordered to do.
But would the American people support another war in Korea?
I don't know about that.
Well, as I told you last night, it did occur.
The Clinton administration has now scrapped plans for the first manned mission to Mars early in the next century.
They're not going to do it.
This is a major reversal.
We are not going to Mars with man.
It is reasonable to ask why, is it not?
Art, here's the facts on it.
Is it any surprise the government within the government has put the kabosh on the Mars trip?
There is no longer a cover-up in my eyes.
Now, it's simply a situation where the existing powers are saying via their actions, yeah, we know all about it, Bifon Mars, Cydonia, Roswell, alien abductions, but we're not going to tell you the details.
Deal with it.
What are you going to do about it?
Who are you going to cry to?
Nobody.
So just sit there and take it.
And that may be a bit of the kind of attitude that we're looking at.
You know who I spoke to earlier today?
Denise Marcel.
She sent me a fax.
Major Marcel's granddaughter.
You know, you really ought to interview my dad, Jesse Marcel Jr.
And so I'm going to pursue an interview with Dr. Marcel.
He is the young boy who, as a young boy, put his hands on the crashed Roswell materials.
And I've got a contact number for him, so I am going to certainly pursue that.
The shuttle has retrieved Shannon Lucid.
She'll come home, possibly facing disorientation, less bone, about 11.5%, 20% loss of muscle, possibly a shrunken heart.
We'll have to learn how to walk on Earth again.
Meanwhile, this is the old, it's an old sick joke, but in one of the rocket boosters that fell back to ground, they found inside, rattling around, inside the rocket booster, a five-inch wrench.
I'm not kidding.
A five-inch wrench.
And NASA said, we really shouldn't be flying like this.
Oh, kidding.
I mean, an organization that is so meticulous in every other way and wears clean suits in labs and is so careful, a five-inch wrench inside one of the booster rockets.
And global warming I've always been a little unsure of.
I rather think this ozone hole is real.
The depletion of the ozone across our continent is also real.
Global warming I've never been as sure of.
The World Wildlife Fund, though, says with regard to geese and songbirds, that their entire existence may be threatened.
Rising sea levels may wash away habitats for these animals.
Rising sea levels.
Changes in the start of seasons, in other words, when summer begins and fall and winter and so forth, are going to begin to confuse the migratory birds.
And for example, here in North America alone, one half of the ducks could die as wetlands across America succumb to droughts.
So you tell me, do you think this is real or something cooked up by the environmentalists to cause us to spend money and begin to cripple industry?
Or do you believe it may be true and we may be doing a dangerous thing with the industrialization that we presently have?
I don't know.
I don't know about global warming.
I haven't made up my mind about it yet.
Some days I think so, and other days not.
At any rate, stay where you are.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1996.
You know, you had Richard Hoagland on last Friday night, and he was talking about the superconductivity.
And I was wondering if I know that certain pest control companies use liquid nitrogen or whatever, and they pump it into the walls of a particular house.
And what I was wondering is, I wonder how it would work if you used, let's say, the superconductivity and the if they somehow found a way to mix the liquid nitrogen with if they could make the superconductivity material into a powder and somehow mix it and inject it with the liquid nitrogen into the walls of a particular house or and somehow wait a minute,
Well, look, my program is literally different every night.
I do an experiment with all kinds of different things from the norm that you'll hear on political elsewhere, political talk shows elsewhere, to the unusual.
And that's what I do.
I mean, you can choose to listen or not.
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No, I do listen to you all the time.
Well, okay.
One of the things I wanted to ask you was I came in late from work one evening and I only caught two minutes of the program.
And you were doing an interview with Andrew McDonald.
Well, I would suggest to you that you order a copy of that program so you can comment intelligently on it.
That was the whole purpose you see of doing the interview.
The kind of man that he is can be reasonably well discerned from the interview that we did.
That's why I did it.
So rather than give you an assessment or my assessment of the man, which I think was obvious to those who listened between lines, even reasonably carefully, forget the reverse speech.
Just check out the forward stuff.
I think it'll be very obvious.
I still think that you've got it.
He had his name wrong, but I'll have to check into that.
It was an interesting interview in a lot of ways, and I did it in the spirit that I do a lot of the interviews I do, not necessarily because these are wonderful people or even good people, just because they are people with ideas that cause other people to think.
That's kind of what we do around here, and it's different all the time.
Otherwise, it would get boring.
unidentified
This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Premier Network presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from September 19, 1996.
A lot of times, the use of the word kook, when you examine it carefully, comes from somebody who simply is suddenly being exposed to a new idea that they don't understand.
So to them, it is kooky.
That doesn't make it kooky.
It just makes it kooky from your perspective or your lack of understanding.
So that's what we do here.
Sometimes we have kooky people on.
But sometimes they're really not so kooky after you, you know, you've had an opportunity to sit down and think about it a little bit.
You start to, you're provoked and you begin to think about it, and then all of a sudden it doesn't seem quite so kooky.
I normally listen to Dreamland, but due to increased business, I don't normally listen during the week anymore.
I just can't get getting old, I guess.
Anyway, there was a news bullet handed to Rush this afternoon, and it's not verbatim, but it basically says the following.
The President, Bill Clinton, announced today a new space policy that will benefit all of the people of the world.
He announced a policy to put robot space vehicles on Mars by the year 2000, thereby expanding the space program and opening up Earth to, quote, free and fair trade with anyone or anything occupying other worlds, end quote.
Easy.
I wouldn't know how to respond to that.
Then he goes on to say, or maybe he's just about to declare Mars a national monument.
Now I think about it, it was Charles Wanton.
That is right, isn't it?
Turner Diary.
Somebody else helped me out there.
Charles Wanton, I think, was correct.
A very provocative interview and worth doing because it did reveal the nature of the man.
Now, I would not attempt to render to you my impression.
I just wasn't necessary.
If you heard the interview, which unfortunately you obviously did not, you would have garnered some knowledge on the subject of that man.
Okay, take a situation where a person who is being taped, maybe making a speech, maybe a certain politician who has the, you know, a defect situation like he's a psychopath, you know, a sociopath, which almost by definition almost has no, quote, conscience.
In other words, there's no steel little voice in there.
Reverse speech, according to everything I just heard in the prior two hours, would reveal that because it comes not from the conscious, but from the subconscious.
Okay, because my wife has arthritis really bad, and she is also diabetic, and we're having really hard problems finding medications for her that doesn't mess with her stomach.
And I was wondering if that Luprina would be good for her.
Let me tell you about these idiots in Utah and their five lousy electoral votes and how intelligent Bill Clinton is.
Bill Clinton has just grabbed the environmentalist vote today.
Yeah, I know.
And helped himself in the Northeast.
I know.
And you've got these idiots in Utah.
It's kind of funny.
Here they are complaining and threatening Clinton, like, we're not going to give you our five lousy electoral votes that we've never given a Democrat in the first thing.
Well, you're not demonstrating how brilliantly environmental he is.
You're demonstrating how brilliantly political he is.
In other words, he doesn't give a rat's behind about the people of Utah.
What he cares about is votes from California.
unidentified
Well, I think it's a little bit of both.
I think it's a little bit of both.
I think Al Gore is more of an environmentalist than Clinton, and I think it shows you that Al Gore does have Clinton's ear.
But I think the interesting thing, you know, here's a complaint that a lot of people have about the way American politics works in the Electoral College.
Very small states like Utah that only have five electoral votes or six or whatever it is, basically have no voice.
So, well, the thing of it is that that's a negative to our system.
So, you know, these people who are crying for the end of the Electoral College, that is a major thorn right there.
Unfortunately, we're going to be stuck with this old worn-out thing until we have another election where somebody gets the majority of the popular vote and loses in the Electoral College.
Charlie, I actually agree with you, but Mr. Clinton's decision to do what he did in Utah didn't have a damn thing to do with anything whispered in his ear by Al Gore.
It had to do with raw politics.
Here are the votes.
I can get them if I do this, and I can do this with my signature, so let me do it.
I doubt he even talked to Al Gore about it.
unidentified
You know what?
I don't have a problem that I have with you conservatives.
You know what?
You're probably 100% right.
And basically, I could care less about it.
Bill Clinton understands that winning reelection is the bottom line.
And as far as I'm concerned, if that helps in this end as far as helping us liberals, that's fine.
Because I'll tell you what, he's been very ruthless on the other end.
He signed that welfare bill, and he signed a lot of conservative things also that made us unhappy on this end.
If you'll listen on the air, I'll repeat it for you.
These were infants, and I believe it was a seven-month-old, his seven-month-old child, and because he is very interested in reverse speech, he was running around the house, he had twin girls, and recording, you know, baby babble.
Baby babble, and he was holding this tape recorder in front of his baby's pretty little baby face.
And she uttered some baby babble.
But reversed, reversed, it clearly was, what's that?
In a child's voice, what's that?
You know, obviously referring to the tape recorder being held in front of the child's face.
It stood your hair right up on end.
I guarantee.
I really don't know what to tell you except that, of course, our program is new in Canada, and they're sort of, you know, trying it out on you all to see how you like it.
And so if you like it, why call them up and tell them it sure would be nice if you would carry more of the program.
If you hate it, call up and say, get that crazy man off our airwaves.
Well, only that it seems to be a state in which people awaken or maybe they're in that sort of twilight between sleep and wakefulness, and they're in a state where they cannot move.
They can't budge a muscle.
Even forcing themselves to try to move, they are virtually paralyzed.
unidentified
Yes, that's something I suffer with probably about three times a month.
Yeah, do you think that when it occurs, you are fully conscious or do you think you're in some sort of transitional state?
unidentified
Well, Art, I'll tell you, I am fully conscious because sometimes my eyes will be like a quarter of the way open, and if I'm laying on my side, I can see things in my room.
I can see the window or the television set or the pictures on the wall.
So in other words, you felt that if you had continued to let it go, something would have happened?
unidentified
Absolutely.
And what I'm getting to is it was the time where my eyes were actually a quarter open, and I could see my hand, and I was trying to move my fingers, trying to move my hand, couldn't do it, couldn't do it.
Dennis, this involves waking up in the middle of the night, or sort of waking up, we're not sure which, but generally awake if you can see items in the room, not being able to move a muscle or even twitch your eye, I suppose.
And it's a frightening, frightening feeling, and a lot of people have it.
And you said something interesting that one night you decided to just sort of let it go.
Right, because a lot of times you fight it because nobody, nobody wants to be out of control.
It's a terrible feeling.
unidentified
Right, so one night I decided, okay, I'm just going to see what happens because there's always some kind of a compelling feeling that there's something else that's going to happen.
So I went ahead and just relaxed and went with it.
And there was a feeling of propulsion at an incredible rate from my head to my toes and going, I guess it would be to the west is the way my bed would face.
So it felt like I was being propelled.
And once that stopped, there is a buzzing.
When the onset of this comes, there's a buzzing that the best I can describe it is from the top of your head to about the middle of your abdomen.
And loud ringing in your ears.
And so as soon as the propelling was done, the buzzing sort of subsided.
And I wanted, I could see my hand, because like I said, sometimes my eyes will be a little bit open.
Yeah, and as this was happening, the buzzing in the abdomen and up to the head, the ears, the ringing, all that had increased as the arm was being extended.
the physical arm was still there.
Now, I don't know how this sounds to some of your callers, but with the array of...
All right, well, here's another comment on this reverse speech thing really grabbed people.
Art, this is definitely real.
David was correct in saying that reverse speech reveals what you are thinking.
I experimented with my own speech, and I was flabbergasted when I found out that when I was talking about my current relationship with a woman that I believe I truly love, I said things in reverse that were not too pleasant.
I myself experienced it once in my life and only realized it tonight.
I was totally relaxed, lying on my side in my sleep, but I was there, and I sunk through my bed, through my floor, into the basement.
But I didn't struggle, and like your frack, someone that faxed you said, if you don't struggle and just relax, you can get up and start moving around, I did that.
I saw a movie a number of years ago, a lot of years ago, called Johnny Got His Gun.
If you ever get a chance to see that movie, if it can be rented, go rent it.
It's probably the ultimate horror.
It concerned, I'm trying to remember now, I think it was during the Civil War era, but it was a fellow who was wounded, shot almost critically, and went into a coma.
For all the world to see and know, he was in a coma.
And there were these little flat rocks that sat about, oh, two feet above this little pool of water, and there was a little stream that went down into the pool, and then on, you know, on its merry way.
And I had just had a very extremely traumatic experience.
I had been raped, and I was telling my boyfriend about it.
And um I looked down into this little pool of water and I saw this little tiny baby, maybe nine months old with a little white dress on laying in the bottom of the water.
Now she wasn't there when we sat down there, you know, just talking and looking into the water.
And I looked off to my side and I saw two little shoes with little socks rolled neatly in them.
And I became extremely frightened and I screamed at George, George, get up, get up, I want to go, I want to go.
He jumped up and literally picked me up my feet and ran up this little sandy incline and we jumped into the convertible with the top down and started driving up out of the canyon and I said, why did you carry me?
And he says, because there were snakes and lizards crawling all over your feet.
And as we were going up out of the canyon, I heard the first sound.
And it was like a clip clock, clip clock, clip clock.
And here came a man on a black horse that looked like Abraham Lincoln with the hat, the cape, all black the whole bit.
You can tell when you're getting a reverse speech message.
Boy, I'm having trouble myself.
Because it is sing-songy, and yes, I clearly heard that.
unidentified
And that made me, it just about had a, I don't know, an evil ring to it.
And I don't want to, that's the only kind of, that's the only words I can come up with, or an uncomfortable, it made the hair on my arm stand up, the sing-songy portion of it.
Now, you know, a medical doctor might say it's a form of sleep apnea, that your heart is skipping beats, that your blood pressure has undergone a sudden change.
That would account for the humming and the vibration you feel.
What do you think?
unidentified
I don't think so.
A couple other different symptoms I had, I wouldn't ever be able to see anything, but I could hear.
You know, like if the radio was on, I could, you know, make out what they were saying and be able to repeat it when I woke up.
You see, though you were able to do something, he was not.
No matter how he tried, you recall he said he couldn't move.
And when he finally did get some movement, it wasn't real movement.
His hand stayed in place, and it was as though he was lifting his arm or his hand out of its physical structure.
unidentified
Well, when I first encountered this, it was very scary, but I was able, you know, like if I was laying on a couch next to the edge there, if I concentrate it real, real hard, I mean, you know, it seemed like it would take forever to do it.
I could concentrate real hard and say, I'm going to throw myself off this couch and catch myself, you know, in order to come out of it.
You know, I had to, it was such a, I wanted to come out of it so bad, but yet I couldn't, you know, move.
You know, if I concentrate real hard, I could throw myself off the couch and, like, catch myself and then wake up.
Yeah, that was Stairway to Heaven had a couple interesting things that were quite clear.
Yes.
But that was really interesting.
The other thing, the main thing I wanted to touch on was living out here in conservative land, I'm kind of a rarity of a lot of my friends, but I really applauded his deal to put aside some land in Utah.
And I support that.
And I also supported the, oh, he kept that New World Mind from Northern Yellowstone.
Look, I'm not totally oblivious to environmental concerns, but I can't say that I know enough about the land in Utah to know that all of that should have been put away.
I know Bryce is one beautiful place, so I wouldn't want to see it hurt.
unidentified
And back on the thing about the reverse speech, don't you think that sing-song quality, if you listen to it, doesn't it sound suspiciously like a whale song?
And a lot of people who tuned in late aren't going to know what we're talking about.
But it was the most remarkable couple of hours.
If you don't get the first part of the program, you really need to contact your affiliate, whoever you're listening, whatever radio station you're listening to right now, contact them and ask them to carry the first part of the program because there are many times when we do that kind of thing.
And this was one that should not have been missed.
So contact your affiliate and politely request they carry more of the program.
And I just thought I'd mention his name again and see if anybody knew what happened to him.
The other person is, I'm not sure if it's male or female, but there was someone named T.B. Palwicki that wrote a book called How to Build a Flying Saucer.
There was an article that appeared on the internet, and I've got a copy of it.
It's called How to Build a Flying Saucer, and by God it tells you how to build one.
unidentified
Yeah, and I had read it like a long time ago and had stuck the copy away and didn't think very much else about it.
It's basically armchair physicist type stuff.
But there's some interesting things in there about the pyramids, and there's also some interesting things in there about relating back to the disk and arts parts, the laminated disk of magnesium and bismuth.
Really?
Well, no, not directly, but he does talk about rotating disks and mass moving in eccentric orbits.
So in other words, you related it to what we know about arts parts so far?
unidentified
Yeah, well, I went and picked it back up and read it again, and I'm not so sure if he knew what he was hitting on.
I mean, we as humans with this technology, at least I feel kind of like a gorilla trying to play a violin.
But it did interest me that the eccentric, erratic, supposedly erratic movement on the generator that this, with the last test you did, the fact that the motion, she was describing the motion.
I'd like to see that video if there's video of it because I would like to know if perhaps it's doing an eccentric all right.
If you look at, if you remember, Rock Hudson, who turned out to be gay, and after he died, his partner, you know, was awarded by the courts the same type of settlement that a heterosexual couple would have been awarded.
I mean, if you look at the inability of the court in Hawaii to come up with any reason why it should not be and they're challenged back to the state to either come up with a reason why it should not be or in effect saying it will be, then I think you're going to see the U.S. Supreme Court with the exact same problem.
unidentified
That's right.
That's right.
Like it or not, I think ultimately the courts are going to decide that homosexuals have the same right to form.
See, on the one hand, you want to say it's a kind of a seizure.
Some doctors will say that, grandma or whatever.
But from what you've just said, that's something different, fascinating.
You say you don't know where you went?
unidentified
No, it was more kind of a dark place, I guess.
There were like colored things.
I thought that I was just having terrible migraine headaches because that was the result of it afterwards, with that intense buzzing and vibrations, that that's how I felt with this real bad migraine headaches.
But listening to people, I've never heard of anyone else having it.
I appreciate the call, and I can only relate to it in one way.
This is kind of an interesting story.
Many years ago, I had had some dental work done, and this is the only way I can relate to what you're saying.
I had had some dental work done, and they gave me some codeine, and I apparently have some sort of allergy to codeine.
And the dental work was all done.
It was fine.
And that night I went to a drive-in theater, and I had taken one of these codeines, and I passed out.
But in the process, it's the only time in my whole life, as a matter of fact, that I've passed out.
In the process of passing out, I had that same rushing feeling, that same sort of vibrational rushing feeling that almost brought on, frankly, nausea.
And then I passed out.
And the young lady who was with me at the drive-in theater, I mean, boy, talk about screwing up a date, went, of course, immediately and they called an ambulance.
And the ambulance, you know, I don't know if you recall about drive-in theaters, any of you who are old enough to remember drive-ins.
They are still out there, but not many.
The ambulance came roaring in.
You remember those things that come up out of the ground so that if you drive over it, your tire is shredded?
The ambulance came in the wrong entrance, and all four of its tires got shredded.
All four of them.
And by then, of course, I was recovered, and I said, no, I don't want to go to the hospital.
I'm all right.
But here were these poor ambulance drivers sitting there with all four tires totally shredded.
I mean, they just flew over that thing.
And you can imagine what it would do to a tire.
And Zoe, I don't know why I just told you that, but it's the only time that I felt for several instants what these people seemed to be describing.
And it was the period between consciousness and unconsciousness.
Well, sir, what did you think of the man who talked about the motor part of your brain and sleepwalking versus the intellectual part of your brain and sleep paralysis?
unidentified
I don't know, but I believe your astral body re-synchronizes with your physical body, and you just need to give it time.