July 30, 1996 - Art Bell
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| This is Coast Coast AM, and I'm Mark Bell. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| It is good to be here. | ||
| And we're going to do an update to a story we did, I don't know, Will asked. | ||
| I think it was about a year ago. | ||
| Maybe more. | ||
| All about a young man near Kansas City, Missouri. | ||
| A little town near Kansas City, I think, who built a I don't know what it was exactly. | ||
| We'll have him tell you. | ||
| A time machine? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
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A dimensional portal machine, maybe. | |
| A human French fry machine, very possibly. | ||
| It's an interesting story. | ||
| His name is Mike Markham. | ||
| Actually, I've affectionately, mind you, nicknamed him Madman Markham. | ||
| And he is back to give us a report on what has been going on. | ||
| It's good just to hear his voice, actually. | ||
| Just let me get a couple of things straight. | ||
| This facts just came in, dear Arn, on the news tonight at 11 p.m. on KEPT-TV channel 12. | ||
| There was a report of a fireball over eastern Oregon, Portland included. | ||
| That is from Janet. | ||
| And I wonder if anybody up there saw a fireball. | ||
| Now, this will answer a question. | ||
| Dear Art, I'm confused. | ||
| Friday, you and Richard Hoagland agreed he'd be on Thursday night, Friday morning. | ||
| And last night you said Hoagland would be on Wednesday night, Thursday morning. | ||
| Which is correct. | ||
| Please announce it again. | ||
| This is a good one. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| Answer is, he'll be on tomorrow night. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Richard Hoagland tomorrow night. | ||
| Because, of course, on Friday morning, I'm going to be leaving at 3 in the morning Pacific time, a little early so I can get to the airport. | ||
| But I'm going to stay on the air right up until the very last moment. | ||
| So, we're going to have Richard here tomorrow night. | ||
| Pass the word. | ||
| Richard Hoagland tomorrow night. | ||
| That's serious stuff. | ||
| And he's got some serious stuff for you. | ||
| And we obviously didn't get into it properly because of the Centennial Park bombing. | ||
| We've got the latest for you on that and all the rest of things. | ||
| But we're going to go and update a story first. | ||
| This is Mike Markham, otherwise known as Madman Markham. | ||
| That's affectionate, as you know, Mike. | ||
| What is the newspaper there, your newspaper? | ||
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The St. Joe News Press. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I got... | ||
| I got an article, I think it was the Kansas City Star, as a matter of fact, about you. | ||
| And we're just going to try and update the audience a little bit. | ||
| The article simply said that you had tried to build some kind of machine and had taken, borrowed, appropriated, actually stolen, some power company transformers to get the voltage to accomplish your task. | ||
| And that apparently was your undoing. | ||
| And we'll get to what the machine was, but the way I got it, you got arrested for stealing the transformers, and you went to jail, did your time. | ||
| As a matter of fact, the last time we had you on the program, your parole officer called. | ||
| He was your resting officer. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Resting officer. | ||
| How long has it been? | ||
| A year? | ||
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About 15 months. | |
| Sick? | ||
| Wow. | ||
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I think it was last month. | |
| April. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Anyway, he called and begged you, in more ways than one, to stop this madness, to return to being a normal person. | ||
| Well, I guess you had a job, or maybe you didn't have a job then. | ||
| I'm losing track of it all. | ||
| At any rate, he didn't want you to continue. | ||
| Now, tell the people what it is that you made. | ||
| What were you trying to make? | ||
| What had you done? | ||
| First, you built a little scale model of what's called a Jacob's ladder, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And a Jacob's ladder is a very high-voltage, low-current thing that drives a up the climbing arc. | ||
| Climbing arc, yeah. | ||
| And at some point, when you had built this scale model, you had taken, what was it, a screw? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Metal screw? | ||
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Yeah, metal screw. | |
| And you threw it through the arc or through the field, And that sucker disappeared gone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| And then, what, reappeared? | ||
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Yeah, about two feet away. | |
| About two feet away, but it just flat disappeared. | ||
| I mean, it was gone somewhere. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Through this little machine you had. | ||
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How big was the little one that you built? | |
| Well, it was 20,000 volts bark at about 100 milliamps. | ||
| The transformer itself was stuck in a five-gallon bucket of oil. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
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And then the laser wasn't a little bit bigger when I started, but it wasn't really like really big. | |
| Okay, well, anyway, the little one, how big was it physically? | ||
| How tall was it? | ||
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Well, basically, it was like traders, I just used straight and clotheshangers. | |
| Uh-huh, so it was about as tall as a straightened clotheshanger. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, that's a pretty good size, actually. | ||
| Okay, so obviously at this point you figured, hmm, anomaly. | ||
| It's impossible this screw would disappear. | ||
| It might get scorched, but it wouldn't disappear. | ||
| So your next idea was to build a McGungus model of the same thing, right? | ||
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Yeah, like a diamond version. | |
| This one's so big that it, what, you had to put it on the back porch? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because basically I took it straight to the fuse box, the line coming in. | ||
| Well, we'll get to that in a moment. | ||
| But, I mean, how big were the electrodes on this one? | ||
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I used these 3-8-inch thick metal rods. | |
| They were about 6 feet long. | ||
| Six feet long? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, that's getting pretty big. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So then you decided, and obviously for something this big, you need a lot more power. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, your next move was to try and figure out where you could get... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the way I recall it, you needed transformers to step up the regular voltage that comes to your house. | ||
| By the way, did you go straight to the mains of your house? | ||
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Well, I used two 400 amp breakers in the middle of that because those popping 200 amp breakers were pretty easy. | |
| Wow. | ||
| It popped a 400, so I had to go get another one. | ||
| It popped a 400 amp breaker? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Oh, my. | ||
| All right. | ||
| How much voltage... | ||
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At the time I was living in Stanbury, and Stanbury is a small town, and King City is about roughly the same size, and it's about 12 miles away down the road. | |
| You found about 169 I got from the substation to that town. | ||
| So the transformers seemed to be gathering useless dust. | ||
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Yeah, they were just setting up that fence. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Just sitting there. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Just sort of saying, Michael, here I am. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| Actually, how many were there? | ||
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There were six. | |
| Six. | ||
| And after they begged you to liberate them, and you liberated them, how many were there left? | ||
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Well, I got all that. | |
| That was outside the fence. | ||
| I'll fix them. | ||
| You got six of them? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That might have been slightly gluttonous. | ||
| Did you need six? | ||
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Well, what I was planning on doing, each one of these, like, I was going to try to get as much voltage as I possibly could, and each one of these put out about 12,470 volts. | |
| So I was going to hook them together like batteries and get higher voltage. | ||
| In other words, you were going to hook the secondary of one to the primary of the next? | ||
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No, I wasn't going to stare step them like that because they probably exploded then. | |
| Oh, yeah, that's a good point. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They sure might. | ||
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It was parallel to the primary coil and series of secondaries. | |
| Ah, okay. | ||
| So you liberated the transformers. | ||
| Now, those things must be awful. | ||
| How heavy are they? | ||
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25 kilowatts or about 350 pounds. | |
| So I take it you took a truck, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How the hell did you lift them up? | ||
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I had a couple guys that paid them to help me. | |
| You paid them to help you? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, so they were unwitting dupes. | ||
| Paid, but unwitting. | ||
| In other words, they were not considered or were they. | ||
| So that when the police got to you, they didn't get in trouble? | ||
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Well, actually, they did. | |
| They did? | ||
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Yeah, but I don't know. | |
| I haven't talked to them since then, because I'm sure they're probably still mad at me. | ||
| Did you pay them? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah? | ||
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But I'm sure they're still mad at me, but I think they got a lot less than I did. | |
| I think they just got a couple of years' probation. | ||
| Well, a couple of years' probation. | ||
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What did they see? | |
| How can I put this? | ||
| What did you tell them that you were doing? | ||
| I mean, did you tell them this is going to be a five-panger discount, or did you say we're... | ||
| Oh, well then, see, they should have gotten off. | ||
| Seems like, huh? | ||
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Yeah, it seems that way. | |
| All right, so anyway. | ||
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I think the way the cops are looking at it saying, well, you guys are idiots for believing this guy, so because. | |
| Ignorance is no excuse for basically there's like a lot of building backers because I've already tried buying them. | ||
| I don't think they're like power, and they're still pretty mad at me, too. | ||
| They are? | ||
| Yeah, I'm surprised they even give me electricity. | ||
| I would think after all this time, you know, they would be forgiving. | ||
| But no. | ||
| Anyway, so you got the transformers, you hooked them up to this gigantic, a gigantic Jacobs ladder, six feet tall, and you did what? | ||
| You just go throw a switch or my watch or hook everything up. | ||
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I just turned the breakers on. | |
| Turned the breakers on. | ||
| What happened at that moment? | ||
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Well, I got like a pretty good size spark. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| Unwittingly, I dimmed the southern half of Stanbury. | ||
| Well that was very unfortunate. | ||
| The entire southern half of the town dimmed down. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Brown out. | ||
| How far down do you think that you took the voltage? | ||
| Did they ever tell you? | ||
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I'm just taking a guess based on like the size of the basically on the size of the car grid of drain, probably down to anywhere from 80 to 90 volts if we have 10. | |
| Oh, that's very bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Very bad. | ||
| So this naturally got the attention of the authorities with a big portion of the town going down. | ||
| And they, I guess, began to investigate. | ||
| How'd they get on to you, by the way? | ||
| How'd they count you? | ||
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Basically, a friend of mine was shooting birds with a BB gun and he shot up one of the next door neighbors' slain glass door windows and he was standing on my front porch when he did that. | |
| So that got him snooping. | ||
| So in other words, the cops came for that incident and they saw in your backyard and saw this thing on your porch? | ||
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Well, he shot from the front porch. | |
| He didn't go in. | ||
| But, see, basically what happened was the guy that was shooting with the... | ||
| After that happened, a few hours later, I'm assuming the next-door neighbor called the cops because she discovered holes in her window. | ||
| And, you know, he said... | ||
| No, basically there were other witnesses saying this guy shot a BB gun off my front porch, so the cop came and asked for the BB gun. | ||
| And I went and got it for him. | ||
| And anyhow, basically the guy that shot the BB gun, he got in trouble for it. | ||
| So basically he blamed me for getting, I'm assuming he blamed me for getting in trouble for what he did. | ||
| He goes and tells the cops that, hey, he's got all these transformers and they're stolen. | ||
| Oh, it was a get-even deal, huh? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So the cops. | ||
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I didn't know that at the time, but I think I'm pretty sure it's what happened. | |
| Now, so what did the cops do? | ||
| Just come and knock on the door? | ||
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Okay. | |
| This was all happened, okay. | ||
| Or did they stand outside with a bullhorn saying, you're surrounded, Markham? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Basically, the incident with the BB gun happened about, if I remember right, about 2 o'clock. | ||
| This was on Sunday. | ||
| That happened around 2. | ||
| Then the guy comes, the cop comes and asks for the BB gun about 6. | ||
| Then at 11 o'clock that night, they come in and they just walk right in with the search warrant. | ||
| Walk right in, huh? | ||
| The door was open. | ||
| They just opened and came right in. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
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Yeah, I was woke, basically, it was pretty cold, so I was like sleeping right in front of the stove, and I wake up and I'm surrounded by eight cops. | |
| A rude awakening. | ||
| So that was your undoing. | ||
| Then you went to court, and you had to serve. | ||
| You did serve your time, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which was how long? | ||
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Six days. | |
| Two months. | ||
| No fun in the pokey. | ||
| Was it miserable? | ||
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Actually, it wasn't too bad. | |
| Basically, what happened was, originally I was going to keep this whole thing just for me and a couple of friends. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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And, well, after I was arrested, I was pretty sure I was going to go to prison. | |
| So what I said was, I was going to go ahead and, because at the time I thought they had some sort of time machine apparatus or whatever. | ||
| And I landed and said, well, maybe if I go ahead and tell these guys I'm making a time machine, don't think I'm crazy, and stick me in the loony bin instead. | ||
| So I went ahead and told him that, and they ended up, basically the sheriff pitches the sword of it. | ||
| He tells the Albany newspaper, and then the Albany newspaper puts it on APY, then before you know it, everybody knows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's probably when we got in touch with you about then. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And we don't know that it was not a time machine. | ||
| I mean, you don't know where that screw went, do you? | ||
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No. | |
| I'm just the first theory popping my head, and that's the only thing I can really think of. | ||
| Now, the larger model, how many times did you get a chance to experiment with the big mama before they got you? | ||
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Actually, I didn't even get a try at once because with my original one, my laser basically caught fire. | |
| Oh, that's right. | ||
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Now tell everybody, where does the laser come into this? | |
| Originally, I was making a real fancy jacobs ladder, like most people have their stroke lights and marble lamps as well. | ||
| I have other, like testable coil jacobs ladders and stuff like that. | ||
| Basically, I was trying to make a jacob sladder that had a perfect arc. | ||
| Like it reached the top every time before it started arcing at the bottom again. | ||
| But anyhow, I was trying to adjust it, and if I just move it like a fraction of a millimeter, the spark would either stick to the bar or it wouldn't arc. | ||
| So you mean moving the probes or the poles from each other? | ||
| Back and forth electrodes, yeah. | ||
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Yeah, so anyhow, I decided to use the heat from the laser to basically get the spark going. | |
| Oh, to ignite the spark. | ||
| The heat from the laser providing... | ||
| And provides a path. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Check. | ||
| So you were in the middle of all this, and you were getting ready for the... | ||
| How close were you to the great, grand, big experiment? | ||
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Well, I got set up the... | |
| Um, um, Because when you hook those things backwards, they're not very efficient. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| And of course, you load down the local system incredibly. | ||
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Yeah, and if I'd have hooked up all six, I'd have probably overloaded the one on the pole. | |
| Maybe blown it up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I'm curious, and I always have been curious, and I don't think I asked you this last time, but had you gotten the big one hooked up? | ||
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That's the Jacobs lighter section done. | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Wait, here's my question. | ||
| Had you actually finished it and got it working, you know, with the spark going all the way evenly to the top, what would you have done? | ||
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With the big model? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Drop up the laser and see if it worked. | ||
| I was saying, hey, this is cool. | ||
| I probably got it and basically rebuilt my laser better to where it wouldn't catch fire. | ||
| Second polygon on tape and go from there. | ||
| I know, but what I mean is you threw a screw through the little model. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So what would you do with it? | ||
| What would you have done with the big model? | ||
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if I got the same results. | |
| Basically, I was going to see which did it do, if it was like sending it into the future farther or if it would like make the... | ||
| A screw? | ||
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First? | |
| Yeah, just a bigger one. | ||
| And then maybe a cat, and then you get the idea. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| Madman Markham is here. | ||
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Madman Markham is here. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| All right, now, back to Madman. | ||
| By the way, Madman, I'm curious, since we did that program, and I started calling you very affectionately Madman Markham, did that stick, do people call you that? | ||
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My brother called me dead. | |
| That's good. | ||
| I mean, probably not your face. | ||
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No. | |
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, anyway, you never did get to do the big one. | ||
| You would like to have. | ||
| And as I said, I'm sure you would have thrown something through it, right? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then at what point would you have thrown a biological entity through it? | ||
| Let's just say that your experiment worked and the screw disappeared. | ||
| That's what I'd do. | ||
| I'd throw a screw through first, I think. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Then I would throw maybe something bigger like a hammer through. | ||
| Well, I don't know about a hammer. | ||
| But, you know, something bigger. | ||
| And then at some point, you would have to put a biological entity through it. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What would have been your choice? | ||
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Probably something like some sort of insect, black cat, a bug, like a cockroach, grasshopper, something like that. | |
| Something like that. | ||
| Low on the level. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then slowly edge your way up. | ||
| And then eventually, I suppose, if all of these creatures seem to survive, I don't know. | ||
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I'd be probably thinking, well, maybe because I think with my small version, I think what I did was I send it like roughly half a second in the future and then I caught up with it. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| That's why I'm thinking. | ||
| And that's the reason it reappeared on the table. | ||
| Now, if it don't ever reappear, I'd be thinking, well, it either went like really far ahead, and I'd be waiting forever to catch up with it, or heck, it could have been vaporized. | ||
| Heck, it might have appeared in another universe or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, these would be the questions, all right. | ||
| And so you would then have to ask yourself, you know, back then, everybody who was listening, me included, figured that you were going to walk through it. | ||
| Now, after we did the program with you, it's like your phone was disconnected after a while. | ||
| Nobody had heard from you. | ||
| People were calling me and saying, what happened to Madman? | ||
| And we could only speculate. | ||
| We thought you might have built your machine and walked through. | ||
| Obviously not. | ||
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No. | |
| Yet. | ||
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Never got to that point. | |
| Now, you are once again... | ||
| You said there are new developments. | ||
| You have... | ||
| You improved it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, basically, instead of lasers, I use a revolving magnetic field. | ||
| See, basically, I figured out kind of like what I did. | ||
| It's basically a vortex of electrical energy. | ||
| Now, you're going to use it. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| A revolving magnetic field? | ||
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Yeah, basically it's basically it's a circle of electromagnets. | |
| Basically 24 around it. | ||
| Okay, it's seven circles back one on top of the other. | ||
| In each circle, there's 24 electromagnets. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you picked it up. | ||
| And I'll lie. | ||
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This one's getting a little bit more complicated than I'm going to do. | |
| Oh, no, this is really cool. | ||
| Now, you did you wind these yourself? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You did? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And how much voltage do you intend to apply to the individual magnets? | ||
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Basically, I've been using 5,000 volts DC. | |
| 5,000 volts? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Basically, I need like the strongest magnet. | ||
| Well, basically, I need the strongest magnetic field I can get. | ||
| I've got you. | ||
| I've got you. | ||
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You've got high voltage, so you won't need much current in. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you say this is going to be revolving. | ||
| Now, by that, do you mean an actual mechanical revolving, or do you mean an electrical? | ||
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Basically, I was getting tough to explain which effects machine it to you. | |
| Well, no, that's right. | ||
| Will it be an electrical? | ||
| In other words, do you move the field by alternately basically it's kind of like you know like the distributor cap in a car? | ||
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It's similar to that. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Basically, in each circle, all of them are energized except for maybe one or two of them. | ||
| Basically, I got set it up to where there's four different configurations. | ||
| All right, so now you really may be making a time machine. | ||
| Now, this is pretty cool. | ||
| Have you got that part of it built? | ||
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Electromagnets? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You do? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Now, we've got to get to the power question because probably your arresting officer is listening. | ||
| Okay? | ||
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Yeah, hot car. | |
| And he needs to know how you're going to get your power. | ||
| Because he'll leave you alone once he hears. | ||
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Well, lucky for me, I got basically a real cheap generator. | |
| They've got more or less almost gave it to me. | ||
| They almost gave it. | ||
| Somebody gave it to you. | ||
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Well, he sold it to me for $300. | |
| How big a generator? | ||
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15 kilowatt. | |
| Oh, that's a big generator. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a big one. | ||
| And you can get, what, $440 primary out of that? | ||
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yeah. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Now, transformers. | ||
| You need to get the voltage high, right, for the generators. | ||
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Uh yeah, I've got that made too. | |
| You do? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Basically, heck, I've had my last one show, I had, well, I've had some help. | ||
| Quite a bit, actually. | ||
| How big a transformer do you have? | ||
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Oh, it's, well, they're quite large, but I've got several of them because basically the total voyage I'm getting out of it is three million. | |
| Oh, Michael. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Three million volts? | ||
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Yeah, that's basically the that's all the generator runs. | |
| Entirely that transformers. | ||
| Three million volts. | ||
| And then you've got the roads. | ||
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Yeah, because I've got six meat one change 440 to 500,000, but the current's like really tiny. | |
| So there has been, since the broadcast and the publicity, there have been people, obviously, I mean, for you to get this massive stuff built, there have been people helping you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is really interesting. | ||
| When do you answer? | ||
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Tom Hampton. | |
| Yeah, he's a nice guy. | ||
| Does he still talk to you, by the way? | ||
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The last time I heard from him was when he called your show. | |
| That was it, huh? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'll bet he's listening. | ||
| I know he's on shift about this time. | ||
| Anyway, you're completely independent of the power company. | ||
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Well, I still use the power company to run the electromagnets, but. | |
| But you can do that legally. | ||
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Yeah, but they can run. | |
| But without dimming down the town. | ||
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Well, yeah, the electromagnets only use about 8 kilowatts, so it's about the same as electron, though, maybe a tiny bit more. | |
| Right. | ||
| You know, you are getting very close now to the technology described in the Philadelphia experiment. | ||
| Do you realize that? | ||
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They used some sort of radio transmitter, didn't they? | |
| They used, yes, but they used rotating magnetic fields and RF. | ||
| The only difference was they had RF fields as well. | ||
| But you're getting very close to what they were doing. | ||
| And how close are you now to the first big experiment? | ||
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Well, that's another thing, too. | |
| My electrodes are a little bit different. | ||
| Basically, it's no longer a Jacob's letter. | ||
| Basically, one of the electrodes is just like a straight piece of rod down the middle. | ||
| And the other one is basically a screen mesh in a tube and it's around that. | ||
| Basically, the electromagnets around that. | ||
| And then you're going to apply three million volts to that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When do you think you might be getting around to this? | ||
| I mean, are we days, weeks, months away? | ||
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Ah, heck, it's hard to tell now. | |
| Basically, I don't got, let's see, I don't got all my. | ||
| Basically, I'm right in the middle of it right now. | ||
| I started last week. | ||
| Are people talking to you about this? | ||
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Are you getting any advice from people? | |
| Well, basically, the people at the technical college and stuff, they think I'm a dead man. | ||
| So do a lot of us. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, on that three million volts, it's only three million, it's three milliamps, but at that voltage, it's more than enough to dig in. | ||
| Oh, like a French-fried potato. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, you would just be a massive charcoal. | ||
| You know, and pretty loose, dusty charcoal at that. | ||
| There would be very little left. | ||
| Now, that's if, of course, if it doesn't work as designed. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| Where did you get this radically different design for your new machine? | ||
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Basically, I talked to this physicist. | |
| I can't even remember telling you his end. | ||
| It was, geez, that was heck. | ||
| It was just like a month after I was last on your show. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But anyhow, it's like a basically he said, well, there's this, I don't know if you know about this or not, but there's this theory. | |
| It's like how does that state the theory go? | ||
| Basically what it boils down to, at the vortex of high electrical energy, basically theoretically you can form a hole in the fabric of the universe, and through that hole, theoretically, you can go through time. | ||
| So that's what I'm thinking. | ||
| I understand. | ||
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Now, in my original experiment where I used a laser, I think the way that happened was that laser was pretty hot, and I never really realized this until just about three months ago. | |
| It was like the laser was really hot, but this was on my back porch, and this was like in the dead of winter in December. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And it was about 15 degrees outside. | |
| So I was thinking maybe heaping the laser in the cold air like act like made some sort of like tornado. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so the electr how tall, how big is the machine physically going to be? | ||
| The new one? | ||
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Oh, this one? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, gee. | ||
| Well, the electromagnets, they're about, oh, maybe you'd like from the outer edge to the outer edge, they're about 10 feet in diameter. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
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Yeah, they're big ones. | |
| Yeah, they sure are. | ||
| Holy mackerel. | ||
|
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Now, are you in an apartment or a house? | |
| I'm in an apartment, but I don't have that stuff here. | ||
| Also, we've got a secret laboratory. | ||
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Well, it's basically just a rented garage. | |
| A rented garage? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Believe me, lots of Sony Corporation began in a rented garage. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| For $500, they began a Sony in a rented garage. | ||
| Anyway, so you now have a dedicated building for your experiment? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, basically I've got roommates here, and they're scared to death of my experiments. | ||
| They didn't want to have it there in the apartment. | ||
|
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No, why? | |
| I can't say I blame them, actually. | ||
|
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Well, they only want my phantograph generators or my Tesla coils or anything like that in here either. | |
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, for example. | ||
| That's beginning to get a little pushy. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, your Tesla coils. | ||
|
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Well, the Tesla coils I got are quite large. | |
| Oh. | ||
| They're not just these aren't the little handheld type. | ||
| These are they draw about 5,000 watts. | ||
| Well, you don't do anything in a small way, do you? | ||
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Oh, no, it's just I start small and get bigger as I go along. | |
| Yeah, but I mean, this is a massive change, what you're talking about now. | ||
| These magnets, 10 feet and something. | ||
| How about the grid that you're putting up? | ||
| How tall is that going to be? | ||
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Let's see. | |
| It's about I'd say it's about six feet. | ||
| Tall enough for a man to walk through. | ||
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Well, if you look, basically, this thing's like lion flags. | |
| These things are like really heavy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I mean, okay, I told you there was seven circles. | |
| Each circle had 24 electromagnets. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Well, basically, those are just, well, I use JV well to hold them together, because I can't fix the thing up. | |
| Each individual electromagnet weighs about 200 pounds. | ||
| Good Lord. | ||
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Yeah, it's basically caused the lambda core, because iron's pretty little. | |
| Plate metal's pretty heavy when you get it that much. | ||
| Oh, you have increased your plans exponentially. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Holy mackerel. | ||
|
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Well, this is just basically I'm just making a small one to see if it works because eventually I'm going to make one bigger than that. | |
| Bigger than that? | ||
|
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Well, that's another thing, too. | |
| Since you showed, this guy in Springfield, Oregon got hold of me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's working. | ||
| There's evidently there's four other people that's been doing experiments connected to mine. | ||
| One's what's his name? | ||
| John Turrell. | ||
| He's in Almix. | ||
| Have you heard of him? | ||
| I've heard the name somewhere, yes. | ||
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He's in London, England, and it just so happens he's made some sort of special generator. | |
| It just basically runs on free energy. | ||
| I'm familiar with these people, yes. | ||
|
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Yeah, and that's what could definitely come in handy for me. | |
| Because ultimately what I'd like to do is build a really giant one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Basically, with a small one, I want to see what controls what. | |
| Like if the current controls, like how far I go into the future or the past or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what I can do to make it go in reverse. | ||
| Go into the past? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then figure out a way how the heck to control that. | ||
| Maybe it will depend on the phase of the electrical current or the way the magnets are rotating. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Any of that's possible. | ||
| Ultimately, though, if the experiment goes as you hope it will, there's got to come a moment when a human being walks through or into the field. | ||
| Doesn't there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is where we've always been worried about you, and now with three million volts, this is real serious. | ||
| Well, I suppose actually dead is dead, and even your earlier Jacob's ladder, if things had gone wrong, would have fried you alive. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So this would just be a more spectacular ending. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I'll probably vaporize. | ||
| Vaporized, yeah. | ||
| That's what I was thinking here. | ||
| Vaporization. | ||
| But on the other hand, you're really, and this is what I got out of the first interview, you're really serious about this, aren't you? | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And you really do believe that you can move things in time, huh? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Do you think, and this is a philosophical question for you, but I've always been fascinated with people working on time machines, and you're down to some serious work now, serious machine. | ||
| Do you think it would be a good thing for us to be able to move in time? | ||
| Have you given that any thought? | ||
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Well, if it does like it does in the movies, that could be great. | |
| But I don't know. | ||
| I've been talking with some other theoretical physicists and stuff like that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Basically, as far as the quantum mechanics and the physics of it, it'd be similar. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't get torn apart. | ||
| I'm sure you've heard of a black hole before. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
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Well, it's like basically I wouldn't get torn apart since I'm using electromagnetism instead of gravity. | |
| But the problem is, if I go through it, basically what I'm thinking is I might say I go and go ten years in the future. | ||
| Well, okay, I went ten years in the future, but I'm in a different universe. | ||
| And unfortunately, this theory, if I go back through, then I'll be in yet another different universe. | ||
| I'll never get back to the one I left. | ||
| That's like a downside. | ||
| Downside, yeah. | ||
| Mike, when you get ready to get to the human part of the experiment, would you be willing to allow me to come and videotape? | ||
| I mean, something like this really ought to be documented. | ||
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Oh, sure. | |
| And it could be used for one of several things. | ||
| I mean, to document a new step in physics, the first documented time travel, or, alternately, as a memorial for you. | ||
| You know, here was the life of madman, excuse me, Mike Markham, and here's how he ended. | ||
| But he believed in what he was doing. | ||
| And so I'm really serious about this in a way. | ||
| would make either a great documentation of time travel, or it would make a very good memorial. | ||
| Now, surely your parents and your friends... | ||
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I haven't talked to them in like 10 years. | |
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Then friends, what do they say to you? | ||
| Are they concerned about you? | ||
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Some of them think I'm full of crap. | |
| Some think I'm crazy. | ||
| The others are kind of worried. | ||
| Have you wondered about whether you're crazy yourself? | ||
| Now, I'm not saying you're crazy, and far from it, because actually I really think you're working in a fascinating area, frankly. | ||
| And I might be tempted to do something like that myself. | ||
| But have you ever considered your own sanity? | ||
| And said to yourself, Mike, I might be nuts. | ||
| Well, is that a yes? | ||
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I never really considered it, really. | |
| Never thought about it. | ||
|
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So, basically, I said, oh, well, I take that back. | |
| I kind of have, but I figured, well, fan ah, not enough. | ||
| Queso Ross or Ross. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Mike, hold on because the phones here are going nuts. | ||
| The people remember you, obviously. | ||
| They want to talk to you. | ||
| Stay right where you are, and we'll be back to you after the news. | ||
| All right? | ||
| My guest is Madman Markham. | ||
| His plans have increased exponentially. | ||
| In fact, a lot of the work is done. | ||
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We'll be back. | |
| Maybe. | ||
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|
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Oh, we gotta give it right back to where we are. | |
| I've been looking for this song. | ||
|
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Oh, we gotta give right back to where we've come. | |
| The people at WTAZ sent me back, said we've got it right here in our hot little hands. | ||
| Now, would you like us to send you a copy? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Don't look like I Don't look like I You never make a way All right. | ||
| I have as my guest, Madman Markham. | ||
| Mike Markham, actually, who began by building a simple Jacobs ladder controlled by a laser, which, if I recall correctly, he took out of a laser disc machine. | ||
| He threw a screw through it. | ||
| It disappeared. | ||
| Then he moved on up, borrowed snow, actually, transformers from the power company, got arrested just short of his gigantic experiment. | ||
| Now, there have been many developments, and he has done the most incredible job. | ||
| He's got a garage now, a laboratory, where he has built what he believes to be a time machine. | ||
| And it's big. | ||
| I mean, the scale of this thing is massive, and we'll catch up on that in a second. | ||
| Then we'll launch into the phones and let you talk to him while he's still here in this time frame. | ||
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Honor it. | |
| All right, back now to Madman Markham. | ||
| Madman, because there is an audience that joins us at midnight, just if you would, you've now got, it's out of your apartment, you're not using the power company power anymore. | ||
| You are using this giant generator. | ||
| You've got, 15-kilowatt generator, with a 440 output. | ||
| You've got a whole series of gigantic transformers. | ||
| How big again, please? | ||
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They change 440 to 500,000 each. | |
| 500,000 each? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You've built yourself a grid with a rotating group of 24 magnets, electromagnets, is it? | ||
|
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Well, 24 in each circle, then they've got seven circles, so it's 168 altogether. | |
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| And each one of these is how big? | ||
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It's about 5,000 volts at about 1 amp. | |
| And physically, how big are they? | ||
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Each circle is about 10 feet wide. | |
| this thing is gigantic. | ||
| This thing is going to be In Egypt where they dug up the big circle? | ||
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Do you remember that? | |
| Yeah, Stargate. | ||
| Stargate, thank you. | ||
| What you're building sounds like Stargate. | ||
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Well, it's like a... | |
| He's hanging up like a really big lab for me. | ||
| And, well, I was like, I grew up plans for that, like a bigger scale. | ||
| And for that, I plan to use, well, it's going to be a little bit more complicated yet. | ||
| Instead, it's like a... | ||
| But before we get to that, I mean, you're going to carry through this experiment before you get to that one, right? | ||
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Yeah, basically. | |
| Well, the reason I'm doing this is to like basically improve it before I make the big one. | ||
| It'd be so much cheaper to build a little one and improve it rather than build a big one and then tear it back down again. | ||
| All right, now, listen to this fact that I just got. | ||
| It's from a pastor, a man of the cloth. | ||
| Art, tell Madman if he wants a human volunteer to go through first, I will do it. | ||
| I have, since I was a small child, been fascinated with time travel. | ||
| As a matter of fact, I've been doing my own research and testing on time travel. | ||
| I've been perusing another route. | ||
| Remember the movie Somewhere in Time? | ||
| He's been doing that thing. | ||
| But he is actually, Pastor Bradley is volunteering to go through. | ||
| Now, this brings up a big moral issue because if Pastor Bradley should go the way a fly goes, and you know those little fly zappers? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| If Pastor Bradley were to go like that, they could potentially, potentially, they could charge you with, I don't think, murder, but maybe manslaughter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you would be disinclined, I take it. | ||
| Or do you want a human volunteer? | ||
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Well, not really my friend, but if I do a human volunteer because of that, I'll probably be the one. | |
| You're going to be the one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, certainly some scientists have injected themselves with their own serums, you know, to prove. | ||
| Here's another practical suggestion for you just before we get to the phones. | ||
| Art, please ask Madman what he thinks about the idea of instead of first even putting animals into the vortex. | ||
| Here's an idea for you. | ||
| Basically strap a camcorder to the end of a pole and put it into the vortex. | ||
| Maybe we could safely see what's on the other side when the experiment gets to that stage, that is. | ||
| Now, that's not a half-bad idea, or is it? | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| Now, a camcorder wouldn't survive the electromagnetic field, would it? | ||
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Well, the way it's set up, basically in the center of it, okay, you've got your screen mesh. | |
| I'm just going to use whatever works better. | ||
| I don't know yet. | ||
| But I'm either going to use just like a straight rod or use like a metal pipe. | ||
| Now, if the metal pipe works better, then basically that metal pipe acts like something like, to some degree, like a magnetic shield. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So that might be an okay idea. | ||
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Yeah, but I don't know if I'll get the same results as with that or with a rod. | |
| All right. | ||
| And this, Dear R, when Madman Markham mentioned using seven rings of 24 electromagnets, I was reminded of Bob Lazar's description of the drive units on the UFOs he allegedly studied, although I believe he said they were using 48 sectors per ring instead of 24. | ||
| That's Ron in Birmingham, Alabama. | ||
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Have you heard about Bob Lazar's guy? | |
| I heard his name from somewhere. | ||
| Well, he worked allegedly at an area called S4 here near where I live and actually back-engineered some supposedly extraterrestrial vehicles. | ||
| And he was claiming that's what they use. | ||
| So you're not far away from what he... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, it's like I was kind of like debating on how many I knew it was going to be a multiple of 12, but I didn't know whether to use 24. | ||
| Originally I was going to do 96, but then the ring would be the heck of 5,000 watts each thing that has to be pretty good size. | ||
| And the heck the ring would be 150 feet wide, and that would be two dang. | ||
| Yeah, I can't believe the progress you've made. | ||
| And then to the main unit, you're going to be applying 3 million volts. | ||
| I mean, this is much, much, much bigger than even that. | ||
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Yeah, these things, I mean, they're hard in heck to insulate as far as the secondary windings go. | |
| I bet. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| What size wire do you have to use? | ||
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Oh, it's, well, since the output current 23 milliamp, it's really tiny. | |
| It's like what gauge is it? | ||
| I think I bought spoles and spools and spoles of it. | ||
| Well, as I said, look, I think no matter what happens, it is going to be incredibly dramatic. | ||
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Yeah, if I remember right, I think it's like 30 gauge. | |
| 30 gauge. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, it's going to be a very, very dramatic event. | ||
| And I'm really serious. | ||
| I will fly out when you're ready and I will videotape it. | ||
| And we will either use it to document actual time travel or use it as a memorial, which I guarantee will be run on many outlets and many people across the country. | ||
| We'll see your last millisecond. | ||
| You know what would be awful, though? | ||
| If you went through and it looked like you were zapped and there was nothing left of you, we really wouldn't know whether you had gone to a superior. | ||
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Yeah, that's the down part of it. | |
| If I'm successful and it's one of those deals where I end up in another universe, if this thing does like a black hole does, essentially it's the same thing. | ||
| It's basically a hole in the space-time continuum. | ||
| If it's a successful jump, I'll be the only one that knows it. | ||
| Bummer. | ||
| Unless, I suppose, you know, I hate to use this analogy, but when a fly hits one of those zappers, it sort of vaporizes. | ||
| But there's still a little dust. | ||
| Right? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So there'd be some dust of Markham left. | ||
| Maybe some sort of dust. | ||
| I mean, it would totally... | ||
| Or would it, you know more about this than I do, would it, Well, if the current's only 3 milliamps, I'll tell her, it wouldn't vaporize me. | ||
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I'd probably be electrocuted and have burn marks all over me. | |
| But since the current's only 3 milliamps, it probably wouldn't do a whole lot. | ||
| Well, it's going to be dramatic, that's for damn sure. | ||
| I really would. | ||
| I'm serious about this. | ||
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I'll come videotape it. | |
| If you'll allow me to. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| If you had to guess, what period of time are we talking about here? | ||
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Well, that just did. | |
| Just a guess. | ||
| Just a guess. | ||
| Assuming things continue to work out on your timeline, as you want them to, when, just a guess. | ||
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Well, I'm assuming I don't run into any problems, like technical problems, I'll probably hit maybe just don't need to space electromagnets. | |
| I'm only about halfway down. | ||
| That's probably a month. | ||
| A month. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got a full-time job, so basically I only get to work on my own evenings and weekends. | ||
| Well, that's good, because I'm going to Europe here for a couple weeks, and I'm going to have to arrange to fly out there, which I'm going to do, so you need to keep me informed. | ||
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I will. | |
| All right, now let's go to the phones and see what people have to say to you. | ||
| This is quite remarkable. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Mike Markham. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hi. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm in Mrs. Tony. | |
| I'm in Israel. | ||
| I'm West Nacomo. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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Seattle. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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What was the name of the guy in Springfield, Oregon who's doing it, too? | |
| Well, he's not really doing it, too. | ||
| Basically, he's just like more or less a coordinator between me and a couple other guys. | ||
| Well, can you spell his last name? | ||
| It's Daniel Webb. | ||
| Daniel Webb. | ||
| Yeah, WEBB. | ||
| And did you videotape the Jacob's ladder and the screw disappearing? | ||
| Well, I didn't expect this to happen. | ||
| I didn't have one handy. | ||
| No, see, this was his very first scale model experiment. | ||
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Did the screw disappear and not come back? | |
| It reappeared roughly half a second later. | ||
| Half a second later? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it inside a ball of plasma or what? | ||
| I mean, okay, you know what the sparkle, you know what a heat signature looks like, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like the most source of heat, you get wavy lines. | |
| Well, this was like, it was like, heck, I'm surprised I even noticed it. | ||
| Basically, I thought I was seeing things. | ||
| Basically, this was kind of like amoeba shape. | ||
| Instead of just going straight up and down, the wavy lines, well, we weren't really wavy lines unless you pay attention to the background of it. | ||
| But it was kind of like a amoeba shape. | ||
| Kind of like a mirage-type shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or heat waves, you're saying, like an Amoeba. | ||
| Yeah, but instead of going straight up and down, it was going kind of circular. | ||
| Okay, so none of this stuff was videotaped. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| No, there's a caller. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Because I can remember the original story when he was on the air. | ||
| He got the screw through, but what was controlling this was this little laser that he had taken out of a C D player, thank you. | ||
| And he overloaded the laser. | ||
| And that's is that correct, Mike? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| See, I got to throw this thing through two or three times because I thought I was really flipping out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I said, cool, I discovered something here. | ||
| I've got to get this on tape. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not probably five seconds after I said that, I was getting ready to turn the stuff off and go borrow a camcorder, the laser caught fire. | ||
| And that's when he started on the bigger one, the bigger model, which he had. | ||
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The laser was the most complicated part. | |
| And I figured, well, if I've already built a laser, I might as well do a big version. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So to get to the point, then he built the big one caller. | ||
| And, of course, the long arm of the law stepped in to the middle of that experiment. | ||
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Well, I hope you get something of the original one on your website. | |
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| And my question really is, why are you replacing the laser with the rotating magnetic field? | ||
| All right, good question. | ||
| Go ahead, Mike. | ||
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Well, if I ever jumped through it, but put no laser there, all I have to do is worry about the electric spark then. | |
| And another thing, a magnetic field, I've found out, is a lot more efficient. | ||
| And this was on advice from a physicist, right? | ||
| I think that he's on the right track. | ||
| I think you were originally two, but you have made a quantum leap, certainly, going to this rotating magnetic field. | ||
| I think you're really on something. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Mike Markham. | ||
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Hello, this is Rick in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. | |
| Well, hello, Rick. | ||
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Hey, Madman. | |
| I want to tell you what I think you should do is I think that you should get a radio frequency. | ||
| I think is the frequency you're using, the rotating frequency, 160 megahertz? | ||
| Well, no, he's not using RF. | ||
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Oh, he's not using RF. | |
| No, he's using these rotating, alternating magnetic files. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Actually, as far as the spark goes, I can adjust the frequency of that. | ||
| I'm using very low frequencies. | ||
| Well, I just remember something about the Philadelphia experience, 160 RF. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| But anyway, what I think that you could do to make your experiment a little easier on you is if you concentrate on sending a message back from the future to yourself at the present time. | ||
| That way you would know, I mean, like an RF, like what you could do is write down a frequency and a time and put it in a safe place. | ||
| No, even better yet, why not just write a note and tell me or someone else where that note is going to be? | ||
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Well, it would be for him. | |
| That way he could talk to himself. | ||
| And he could talk about it. | ||
| Well, yeah, I know, but it's not Michael that we've got to convince. | ||
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Well, I know, but what I'm saying is Michael could tell himself how to actually make his machine. | |
| That way it would be kind of a lazy way to do it. | ||
| Well, we'll have his machine. | ||
| We don't have to worry about that part. | ||
| If we want to prove that he went into the future, then he writes a note and he leaves it in a pre-designated place. | ||
| Depending, of course, now, who knows how far in the future he gets tossed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But if it's not too far, then that note is going to appear. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's true. | ||
| Or he could make a radio. | ||
| Because radio waves are never lost. | ||
| I mean, your voice is out there forever, Art. | ||
| Yeah, I know, but we can't recapture it, sir. | ||
| Once transmitted, it keeps on trucking. | ||
| It's not like we can go capture it. | ||
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Yeah, but if you could figure out a way to recapture it, if you could. | |
| If you could transmit on tachyon beams. | ||
| Oh, well, now, see, now we're getting way out there. | ||
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Yeah, I guess. | |
| All right, I like the note idea. | ||
| That seems simple to me. | ||
| Then there's one other little thing to worry about, Mr. Markham. | ||
| And that is, how do you know you're going to go to the future? | ||
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How do you know you're not going to go to the past? | |
| Well, that's another, that gets pretty complicated there. | ||
| But I talked to this as a separate physicist here who said normally it goes forward. | ||
| Now, how it controls how you do it in reverse is, well, there's a couple ways that I've been told. | ||
| One's this little special oscillator you have with you. | ||
| And another way is basically down a piece of paper somewhere, but basically it has something to do with basically changing phases or something like that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's the other thing. | ||
| As in that movie, for you to return, presumably if you get tossed into the future, if the machine is continuing to run, then that hole remains available for you to jump back through. | ||
| Would that be true or false? | ||
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Well, like I said, every physicist I've talked to, all they've got in common is basically it's similar to a black hole except no gravity is going to tear me apart. | |
| And if that's the case, then I can just, it's like a doorway and just walk back in. | ||
| Walk back in, yeah. | ||
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If it's like almost identical to a black hole except for the gravity part, basically I walk back in on one universe. | |
| Now, logically, like a regular doorway, if you walk back through, you came back where you left. | ||
| So my comparison to Stargate, Madman, wasn't that far off, was it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Actually, it's the reminds of a lot of people of that movie, yeah. | ||
| Particularly the way you're building it. | ||
| You know, it sounds like Stargate. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Madman, hold on. | ||
| We'll be right back to you. | ||
| This is Madman not too far outside Kansas City for the moment in this time frame. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Folks, we'll get it on videotape. | |
| Anyway, we're going to take a break here. | ||
| If you want to ask Madman a question, come now. | ||
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You're listening to the CBC Radio Network. | |
| CBC Radio Network. | ||
| All right, back now to Madman Morton. | ||
| Madman, last time you were on the air, you gave out your phone number. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And what happened after that? | ||
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Basically, I was stuck getting one call after another for the next three days. | |
| So people are going to, of course, ask if they can contact you again this time. | ||
| And last time I warned you. | ||
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Yeah, well, last time I was debating whether I should have used my address or my phone number. | |
| I should have went to the address. | ||
| I didn't really mind it. | ||
| It was like, I'll get cranky after three days above sleep. | ||
| No, you've got to admit I warned you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I did warn you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So now you've got an address. | ||
| Why don't you go ahead and give your address now so people can write it down and communicate with you? | ||
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Okay, it's 209.5. | |
| I'm sorry? | ||
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209.5. | |
| 209.1.5. | ||
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South 13th Street. | |
| South 13th Street. | ||
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St. Joseph, Missouri. | |
| St. Joseph. | ||
| And the zip code? | ||
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64501. | |
| 64501. | ||
| All right, good. | ||
| 209.5, South 13th Street, St. Joseph, Missouri, 64501, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And if you put madman on top of that, I don't know if the postman will know who I am or not. | ||
| He probably will. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| Here's a fact for you. | ||
| Oh, well, I guess I'll hold that. | ||
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All right. | |
| Here's a facts. | ||
| Dear, if this screw went several seconds into the future, wouldn't it always be those same several seconds into the future? | ||
| I don't see how this screw can exist in the present and the future. | ||
| If this screw did happen to go into the future, it suggests the screw had to travel backwards in time to get to the present from the future. | ||
| Could you please have Mr. Markham elaborate? | ||
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Well, what it boils down to, what I think happened is actually it wasn't several seconds. | |
| I've been nice, but actually it was about just enough for me to measure. | ||
| It was about roughly half a second. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what I think happened is when it went through that thing, after it went through that, well, portal vortex, whatever you want to call it. | ||
| Whatever it is, basically just went straight from basically skipped over half a second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Now my question. | ||
| Have you considered this possibility, Madman? | ||
| I mean, there are three million volts. | ||
| We're talking serious, serious stuff here. | ||
| Now, there might be those who would consider you are, in effect, committing suicide. | ||
| Okay? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that instead of the police coming, because you have not, obviously you're not breaking the law now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you may be, I mean, have you ever thought they might come in a nut house? | ||
| Well, I was going to approach it more gently, but yes. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
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Well, let's see. | |
| Basically, I'm on probation now, and basically they may have conditioned my probation to go see a shrink, like, roughly once a month now. | ||
| So you've been going to a shrink? | ||
| Yeah, and you've told the shrink all about this, right? | ||
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Yeah, well, she already knew about it anyway. | |
| Oh, she? | ||
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Yeah, she said, well, she saw me on TV. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, this is very interesting. | ||
| Now, I didn't know that you've been doing this. | ||
| So now, what does she say after listening to what you've said? | ||
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Basically, I told her, well, basically, in her opinion, I'm delusional and among other things, and she put me on risk perfect. | |
| But evidently, it's not a delusion, because it has no effect on me. | ||
| And I've been taking it for, oh, gee, about six months now. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So she thinks you're delusional. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, what is her attitude about your going? | ||
| I mean, she knows you're getting closer and closer to the big one here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And what's she saying to you about this? | ||
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Well, basically, basically she asked me, it's the same thing. | |
| I'll go in. | ||
| She asks, well, anything changed, Mike, and always tell her, not really. | ||
| So she probably thinks it's time to increase the dosage. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or something like, hmm. | ||
| Well, she hasn't really increased it in the past couple months. | ||
| Maybe she figures that's as much as chemicals can do. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Yes, this is Dr. Joe. | |
| And I have done a lot of science fair stuff in my youth and continue a hobby of physics as an amateur. | ||
| And I'm rather impressed with Madman's recent research. | ||
| I had a couple of suggestions. | ||
| Let me ask you this, sir, based on what you know, you heard him describe what he's building, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Should he walk through this? | ||
| What would happen? | ||
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Not right away. | |
| The first thing that he needs to do is he needs to get a spring-loaded timer and put it in a plexiglass container and get some sort of ramp that he can roll it on through the tunnel that he's created. | ||
| And he needs to videotape it and have another timer in the foreground so that he can see what the difference is. | ||
| Kind of like what they did in Back to the Future. | ||
| Yes, something like that. | ||
| But then assuming that works out, and he actually physically walks through a biological entity, what do you think will happen? | ||
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I have no idea. | |
| Yeah, me either. | ||
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Let me give a few more suggestions. | |
| One of them is we need to put one of Art's parts through there and see what happens when it's energized like Stan Deo recommended. | ||
| Remember he said if you just oscillate it, it'll lift. | ||
| Please, my parts are already scattered all over the place, one at a time here, please. | ||
| They're at universities. | ||
| That's a whole nother story. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Yes, Art Bell? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm Mark from Murphysboro, Tennessee. | |
| Hi, Mark. | ||
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Hey. | |
| I wanted to ask Mad Man, I've been reading a book on the current state of the art in quantum physics. | ||
| And what most quantum physics tend to think now is that in order to explore time or interdimensional travel, you have to generate energies that were only present at the initial moment of the Big Bang when the universe existed in ten dimensions. | ||
| As the Big Bang cooled, six of the dimensions curled in upon themselves, and we were left with four that we know, three of space. | ||
| So you're trying to suggest you cannot generate enough energy. | ||
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Well, what most physicists say now, in order to explore hyperspace or time, you need to generate an amount of energy called the Planck energy, or 10 to the 19 billion electron volts, which is about one quadrillion times larger than energies currently available in our accelerators. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that suggestion, but there are, in fact, indications. | ||
| If you look at the Philadelphia experiment, if you look at Lazar's work, there are indications that it can be done with much lower voltage if other factors are involved, like this large rotating magnetic field that Madman is talking about. | ||
| Right, Madman? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, where I got to use megavolts, basically, the guy I talked to says it worked best, unfortunately I can't generate that much right now, but it worked best to have 40 million volts tooth. | ||
| Now, I'm having a heck of a time answering three volts. | ||
| Or three million volts. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| And eventually I hope to get to that point, but I can't do that right now. | ||
| There are those, Mad Man, who would say this is crazy and suicidal, and you're going to be a crispy critter. | ||
| And is there any way to talk you out of this? | ||
| I guess if your psychiatrist can't, then nothing we could say would talk you out of it. | ||
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Well, let's see. | |
| Actually, basically, my girlfriend tried to talk me out of it. | ||
| You mean, did she leave you because she couldn't? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's why I understand. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Hi. | ||
| Hi, Decei. | ||
| I have a question for both of you. | ||
| All right, where are you? | ||
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Both of you. | |
| Where are you, dear? | ||
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I'm calling from Santa Monica, California. | |
| Santa Monica. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Okay. | |
| My question for you, Art, is I need to find a station where I can listen to you with clarity. | ||
| Well, what about KBC in Los Angeles? | ||
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Where's that? | |
| 790? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so you moved from 700. | ||
| No. | ||
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From Cogo. | |
| Well, yes, we're on 760, which is KFMB in San Diego, and you can probably receive that or go to KABC, 790. | ||
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790, okay. | |
| I don't know why I couldn't find you there. | ||
| All right. | ||
| My question, my comment, for Mad Man is, what kind of protective gear are you going to be wearing in secure vehicle? | ||
| Are you going to put yourself in? | ||
| I don't believe you can just walk through. | ||
| Well, vaguely, it really depends on what kind of electro, center electro I'm using. | ||
| If it's going to be just a rod or if it's going to be a tube. | ||
| If it's going to be a rod, hmm. | ||
| I would think nothing metal would be a good idea. | ||
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No, I'm going to be wearing something like more or less giant rubber gloves. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Because even with a tube, I may not necessarily get killed, but I'll get the nasty shock of my life. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, good luck to you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yes, what I'm interested in is what is your scientific background that eventually got you headed this way? | ||
| It was just playing around or what? | ||
| And then for Art. | ||
| Okay, the answer to the question is just playing around. | ||
| You don't have... | ||
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No, I see. | |
| I just turned 23 last week, so. | ||
| He's just a guy, sir. | ||
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Okay, Art, if you would at the end of the hour, play Louis Armstrong. | |
| Yeah, it might fit. | ||
| Mike Fett. | ||
| West of the Hello. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| This is Rick from the Marty KOMO in Seattle. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| I would like to ask the madman three questions. | ||
| One of them, was it an aluminum screw that he threw through the actually heck um no? | ||
| It was heck uh the spectrum magnet, so it was probably steel. | ||
| It was not a sheet metal screw of any kind. | ||
| Okay, well the second question is, is you said that time-wise, could you reverse uh as far as the DC current uh uh could you reverse the magnetic field and somehow if this worked go back in time? | ||
| Would that be the possibility? | ||
| It's one we'll be working on and find out what what controls what. | ||
| Like putting two magnets together opposite. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm not going to try that. | ||
| Anyway, and the third question is that at Art might go along with this. | ||
| Could you charge the aluminum and bismuth? | ||
| Quit messing with my parts. | ||
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Well, Artemis. | |
| Art's ready to get a universal and they're going to have a million volts applied to him, sir. | ||
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Well, he's got five million. | |
| No, three million. | ||
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Three million. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, thank you, Art. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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See you, bye. | |
| All right, bye. | ||
| A first-time caller line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Yes, this is Lee from Kansas City. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And I was real interested. | |
| I'm not a physicist or anything, but I was interested in what you're talking about. | ||
| And I was wondering, when he goes through, if the minister would go through first, it'd be murder. | ||
| So why doesn't he take someone with him? | ||
| That way, when he goes through, they can decide together what's going on over there, and then one could come back. | ||
| Well, there's a pretty good idea. | ||
| Is there anybody, Mad Man, who wants to go through with you? | ||
| I mean, you've got friends who are helping you build this. | ||
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Oh, actually, I know several people, but I'm assuming they don't have much space in me because... | |
| In other words, they're willing to help you make coils, but they're not willing to... | ||
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Well, no, what I'm saying is there's a couple that's willing to go ahead and be guinea pigs, but they don't have much space in me because they're kind of... | |
| In your opinion, they're suicidal? | ||
| You mean actually they're thinking the machine isn't going to work and they're suicidal and so they don't care. | ||
| Oh, this would do it. | ||
| This would do it. | ||
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And then I'd like to ask him, what is his background? | |
| If he's only 23 years old, aside from prison, you mean? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean his education. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Madman, did you get through high school? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I was doing about major in electrical engineering for two years in college before I had to drop out. | ||
| Oh, dad missed everything I know learned by experiment. | ||
| All right, so you're an entrepreneur, self-learned mad scientist. | ||
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More or less. | |
| Okay. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Hello, Art. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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My name is Eric in Kentucky. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Hi, Eric. | ||
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Hi. | |
| I just wanted to give a suggestion for Mr. Madman. | ||
| Maybe you could just tie a string onto something that you throw through? | ||
| So you could pull it back. | ||
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Yeah, just pull it right back. | |
| You know, it's easy. | ||
| Or maybe shine a flashlight through it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just like you pull it back out. | ||
| Yeah, I was just thinking of that. | ||
| Well, you know, these things. | ||
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You'll be putting a light through two different mediums if it's actually going somewhere else. | |
| Yeah, these things, obviously, you would try before you walk through yourself. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So what we've got to do is have you perform the initial experiments, Madman, and then, of course, call me before you do the big one. | ||
| I mean, when I say big one, I mean... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Definitely call me before that. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Going once. | ||
| Going twice. | ||
| Gone with the wind. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hello? | |
| Hello. | ||
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Yes, Donald. | |
| Turn your radio off, sir. | ||
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Turn my radio off. | |
| Oakroom. | ||
| That's very important, yes. | ||
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Turn it off. | |
| Call the wildcard lines, Area 702-727-1295. | ||
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I have a question for Band Neighborhood. | |
| Okay, we're not allowed to put your last name on the air, sir. | ||
| Okay, so let us just call you Tim, and where are you calling from? | ||
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Oak Grove, Missouri. | |
| Oak Grove, Missouri. | ||
| All right, go ahead, Tim. | ||
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Okay, I have a couple questions for Band Name Markham. | |
| Yep. | ||
| First off, would he think about putting a laser with the magnetic field? | ||
| Well, I think that the magnets are. | ||
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Actually, the magnet does the same thing as the laser, only a lot more efficiently. | |
| Yeah, I mean, what originally did it was the combination with laser with 15-degree air is what originally caused that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The magnetic field basically does the same thing as that, but a lot more efficiently. | ||
| Yeah, I was thinking of using the laser to help dampen the field, possibly more with the in conjunction with the magnet. | ||
| And because of wave-particle duality, I took a physical cosmetology. | ||
| Wave-particle duality and light, if you possibly put one at the top and the bottom going together, canceling each other out in a wave, in the waveform. | ||
| Well, as you have heard the design, which is significant, I mean, this is a Stargate-sized thing he's building. | ||
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Yes. | |
| What do you think is going to happen to him when he walks through? | ||
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What will happen? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think will happen based on the design you've heard him describe? | ||
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Well, that's hard to say. | |
| Doing the Philadelphia experiment, it can happen like that. | ||
| or all it just ends. | ||
| Now it's worth reminding Mad-Man at this point that Well, even if he gets through, let's say he gets through, remember the results of the Philadelphia experiment where sailors were like halfway, you know, buried in the deck. | ||
| It was horrible. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
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Yes, and I also heard that people who did survive were crazy over it. | |
| Just went totally crazy. | ||
| Well, in this case, though, they might not be able to tell any difference. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Mad Man may have an advantage. | ||
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Oh, actually, basically, I don't know. | |
| I'm thinking what could have been part of that is there might have been some low frequencies in there. | ||
| And, well, your brain waves are anywhere from 0.1 to 10 hertz. | ||
| And it just so happens that's the same frequencies I'm playing with. | ||
| So basically, I made this sheet metal, like sheet pin helmet over my head. | ||
| You're actually going to be using frequencies akin to the ones that the HARP transmitter is using. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Basically, it's anywhere from 0.1 to 30 Hz. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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Heck, I'd like to get lower, but lower frequencies, it's like, well, you need a really giant capacitor, and I can't find one that big. | |
| Well, we might be able to find one. | ||
| Madman, you want to do one more hour? | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Madman Markham is my guest, and he will be back at least this time, I think. | ||
| We'll certainly be back. | ||
|
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I see trees of green. | |
| Red. | ||
| I see them blue for me. | ||
| And I think to myself, what a wonderful. | ||
| See there? | ||
| I take red questions. | ||
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I see skies so blue. | |
| The skies. | ||
| The brightness. | ||
| Don't say goodbye. | ||
| Now, Michael, you listen to this. | ||
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Speak to myself. | |
| What a wonderful world. | ||
| You're listening to the CBC radio networks. | ||
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Stay right there. | |
| The colors of the rainbow. | ||
| So pretty in the sky. | ||
| Oh, so on your face. | ||
| Oh, so on your face. | ||
| You are listening to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
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| It is. | ||
| And we are hearing the story, the new story, and the big plans of Madman Markham. | ||
| I call him that. | ||
| His real name is Mike Markham. | ||
| He's in Missouri. | ||
| And he is building, to me, what sounds like Stargate. | ||
| It really does sound like Stargate. | ||
| We'll get him to describe it again here in a few moments. | ||
| I went out and talked to my wife during the break. | ||
| I said, you know, this really sounds like Stargate. | ||
| She said that, to me, it sounds like a barbecue. | ||
| And she could be right, I suppose. | ||
| Anyway, back to Madman and your questions in a moment. | ||
| It's to understand the scale of what Madman Markham is building. | ||
| He began with a small-scale model, which he, of this Jacobs ladder, controlled by a laser. | ||
| He threw a steel screw through. | ||
| It disappeared for about a full half second, then reappeared. | ||
| Then he built a big one. | ||
| He had to appropriate some power company transformers to do it, unfortunately. | ||
| And they caught him and put him in jail. | ||
| He did his time. | ||
| We did a show with him some time ago. | ||
| But now, now he's acquired a gigantic generator and he has built these gigantic transformers, many of them, and electromagnets. | ||
| And he is building, to me, what seems to be roughly Stargate, actually. | ||
| And at some point, of course, he is going to walk through it. | ||
| Now, first of all, Madman, are you there? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I think that we've got a caller here who wants to know the scale of what you're building, and it'll be well that we explain it. | ||
| We have new audience at this hour. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Are you there? | ||
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Yes. | |
| I'm calling from Platte City Boat, and my name's Pat. | ||
| I was wondering, how large is this thing? | ||
| Are you going to build it in your basement and do it like that? | ||
| Okay, we'll tell you the story. | ||
| Here's what's happened. | ||
| He did it. | ||
| You see, on his back porch originally, and that's when the cops got him. | ||
| That's when he had to do his time. | ||
| Now, he has acquired, it is, what, a garage? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a garage. | ||
| All right, if you would give the audience a sense of the scale of what you have now built. | ||
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Well, the electromagnets are circular. | |
| That's the. | ||
| And there are how many of them? | ||
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Well, there's seven circles. | |
| Each circle has 24 in it. | ||
| And each electromagnet is how big? | ||
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Including the core and the coil, about 200 pounds. | |
| Good God. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so there are seven circles of these glumpy. | ||
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I haven't got it pinched yet. | |
| Yeah, right. | ||
| But seven circles of 24 magnets each. | ||
| And they will be rotating. | ||
| And then there will be not exactly a Jacobs ladder, but either a pole, you said. | ||
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Well, there's like a screen mesh. | |
| Screen mesh. | ||
| Actually, I use that stuff. | ||
| You know that it's like a screen door? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's that fine because it's only three milliamps, so it won't melt down or nothing. | |
| Three milliamps, but the voltage you are developing is three million volts. | ||
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Right? | |
| And you are doing this with transformers that you have now hand-wound. | ||
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Actually, I used a motor. | |
| Well, I don't blame you. | ||
| And they are how big? | ||
| And weigh how much? | ||
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Oh, each one, I have no idea. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| They're good, grip. | ||
| They're about the size of a small substation transformer. | ||
| That's big. | ||
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Yeah, this probably weighs maybe a ton or two apiece. | |
| A ton or two apiece. | ||
| And how many of them do you have? | ||
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Six. | |
| Six. | ||
| So here will be the three million volts. | ||
| Here will be this incredible circle of magnets, seven circles. | ||
| And then at some point, you are going to go through it. | ||
| Now, here is Dave in Houston, Texas. | ||
| He says, Madman, I have relatives in St. Joseph, Missouri. | ||
| Is that far from you? | ||
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That's where it's the town I'm in. | |
| Okay. | ||
| My father-in-law owns St. Joseph Electronics. | ||
| If you run short of capacitors or resistors, drop by... | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I go there all the time. | ||
| I'm probably the number one customer because, heck, I just got done buying a bunch of parts for a Cascade Multiplier. | ||
| And heck, heck always happy to see me because every time I go there, I spent a couple of, heck, last time I was there, I spent $1,500. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, this is Dave in Houston. | ||
| And I guess maybe you've got a little pull now because this is relative. | ||
| All right? | ||
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Okay. | |
| So mention Dave in Houston. | ||
| When you go back next time, maybe it'll get you a discount. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Plus, of course, if you never come back, then go down and recover. | ||
| Anyway, dear Art Madman, it sounds like a one-way trip. | ||
| You best think about it a little more. | ||
| I dream of time travel myself, but I don't feel it's worth my life. | ||
| Now, that's a good question, Madman. | ||
| Listen, by the way, I should say I was talking to my board op up in Oregon during the break, and he said, look, mad as this guy may sound, A, he's really doing it. | ||
| B, a lot of people thought Thomas Edison was totally out of his mind, and a lot of other inventors who have done things like you're apparently about to do, Michael, and maybe you're not so mad after all, and maybe it's people like you that get out on the cutting edge that really do make the jumps, the leaps in technology that others are afraid to try. | ||
| So it's a little kudos for you there. | ||
| All right, West of the Rockies. | ||
| You're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I was wondering, I think everyone needs to understand or think about the scale on which he is working. | ||
| I'm reminded of another movie, Timecock. | ||
| What are some of the moral ramifications of what you are doing? | ||
| I mean traveling back in time. | ||
| I know, well, that's... | ||
| He thinks he's going forward in time, not back. | ||
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Yes, but he said he was also considering working on going back in time. | |
| Yeah, as a matter of fact, he did, and it's a very good point. | ||
| What do you mean by moral ramifications? | ||
| In other words, that he might change something that would affect all of us? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It's a good point. | ||
| And we'll have him address that in a second. | ||
| But here's another suggestion, Madman. | ||
| Tell him before he goes, he should put $10,000 in a reinvesting CD and take his bank book with him. | ||
| When he arrives, if he arrives, he'll be a rich man, Barry in Arizona. | ||
| That's worth your consideration. | ||
| But what about this caller's question, the moral question? | ||
| That you might instead go back in time, disrupt something, and cause havoc? | ||
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Well, that's assuming. | |
| Actually, it would if black guys showed up in the same universe I left, but I've been talking with a lot of quantum physicists, and they think, well, they think it's virtually impossible to stay in the same universe. | ||
| And if that's the case, then whatever I do, it won't affect this one. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| How about that, caller? | ||
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It seems to satisfy my thank you. | |
| All right. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| First time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
|
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Hi, how are you doing? | |
| This is Dave from Kent. | ||
| Hi, Dave. | ||
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Yeah, I got a question for you, Madman. | |
| Why do you associate the disappearance of the object directly with time? | ||
| Um, in fact, I asked that question last time, too. | ||
| It just, uh, well, not a heck over the fact. | ||
| I didn't really, at first I didn't really know what to think. | ||
| Um at the heck, I was probably maybe like teleported or something like that. | ||
| But do you do that? | ||
| Well, basically it fits like basically all the current all the current quantum physics theories and stuff like that. | ||
| Have you explored any other possibilities such as maybe the bending of light waves or something to describe light waves? | ||
| Well, yeah, that's why I was thinking too. | ||
| I mean, like similar to what the Phil Death experiment people set out to do, but they ended up messing up time. | ||
| That's why I was concerned that possibility, too. | ||
| Like I said in the last comments on the show, maybe that made it a little intense magnetic field intense enough to bend light. | ||
| Now, I know, let me ask this, Madman. | ||
| Are you not at all concerned that, like in the Philadelphia experiment, yeah, sure, you'll go through something, all right. | ||
| But what is the garage floor made out of? | ||
|
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Concrete. | |
| Concrete. | ||
| Well, suppose half of Madman's, you know, in the concrete, and the other half is above concrete, and there's no one there to help you. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| That's something to think about, too. | ||
| I don't know which would be worse, getting started or getting stuck in concrete. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or this. | ||
| Art, if Madman goes back in time, ask him to please find out the following. | ||
| A, if Bill really inhaled. | ||
| B, if Hillary threw the lamp. | ||
| And C, who killed Vince Foster? | ||
| That's also from right there in Kansas City. | ||
| So it's a little request in case you happen to go back. | ||
| Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Hi. | ||
|
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Oh, Wildcard Jackson from Northwest Colorado. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
|
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And want to know if all that electronic equipment and electromagnetic stuff, if you have or have considered using any of Stan Dale's formulas or theories on gravitation or anything like that, maybe diversify your effort a little bit. | |
| Well, he's using a massive rotating magnetic field, sir. | ||
| Massive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, about the only way to get more massive is by using a particle accelerator. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I mean, this will be a very serious magnetic field. | ||
| There's no question about it. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Hi. | ||
|
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Hi, how are you doing? | |
| Okay. | ||
|
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This is Rick from Indio, California. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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And I was wondering the fact that if he does go in time, that let's say he goes in like two years. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, in that one year time, in reality, he has died. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| Is he dead then or is he then? | ||
| Come back. | ||
| Well, that goes back to that. | ||
| It's called the multiverse theory, is what it is. | ||
| Like in time comp, a guy ran into itself and basically disaster happened. | ||
| Well, actually, the way I think it would happen, it'd be just like another person. | ||
| I could do what I'd like to shake his hand or shake my other self's hand and do whatever, but I wouldn't do anything. | ||
| But if I died in part of that time and just basically skip over that time, the time that I died, I wouldn't know it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm just curious about that. | ||
| And then also on the UFOs, when they're talking about the UFOs, on the 48 magnets he was talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think sort of UFOs do work that way, where they've got a magnetic field to where they use our north pole and south pole where they can magnetize the unit itself, and that's how they travel. | ||
| Yeah, that could be kind of like a pole-to-pole. | ||
| Yeah, that could easily be. | ||
| I think you're on the right track, but I'm cautious about encouraging you, but it sounds like you're going ahead no matter what. | ||
| So again, I will come and I really will videotape this. | ||
| This needs to be carefully documented for one of many reasons. | ||
| A first-time caller line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
|
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Yeah, hi, I had a question. | |
| Oh, yeah, we barely hear you still. | ||
|
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I have a question. | |
| I'm sort of a Star Trek fan, but anyway, what about the question? | ||
| What if he ripped open sort of a hole in the universe which would cause this part of the universe to kind of be sucked through it? | ||
| In other words, environmental implications. | ||
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Well, that would happen with a black hole because it's intense gravitational field, but this is an electromagnetic field. | |
| As far as I know, as long as nobody on the other side came through to this side, nobody on this side came to the other side, nothing would happen. | ||
| As far as I know. | ||
| So it would be a localized effect, and it would not. | ||
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Yeah, now if I use gravity instead of electromagnetism, that's another problem because I read in this book, if you like, take 1,600 tons of iron, if you could compress it down to like the critical diameter for a black hole, it'd be quite small. | |
| It'd be roughly about the size of a couple hundred atoms pumped together. | ||
| That's small, all right, hopefully. | ||
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Yeah, well, it's like what would happen, it would eventually, if there ain't no way to contain this thing, if you drop it, it'd sink to the center of the earth and eventually swallow up the whole darn planet. | |
| Well, I hope that won't happen first. | ||
| First time caller align, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
|
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Hello. | |
| Hi, this is Chris from Eastern Kentucky. | ||
| Hello, Chris. | ||
|
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I was just wondering, I don't think anyone's bought this up yet, but you've kind of hit on it here and there with the Philadelphia experiment stuff. | |
| But what might be the biological implications to you when you go through it? | ||
| Oh, severe. | ||
| I mean, he could be a French fry. | ||
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Well, I mean, just beyond that. | |
| There's been a lot of... | ||
| Yeah, if you make it through, you know. | ||
| Or he could survive it wholly intact. | ||
| Or he could come out on the other side with a shredded liver. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
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Well, what I'm referring to is the electromagnetic field effects on the human body. | |
| There's been a lot of studies on that here. | ||
| Yeah, it is pretty tense, and it does affect the iron in your blood. | ||
| I think you might end up, you know. | ||
| I don't think it's well, it's intense enough to heck. | ||
| I never have really bothered to guess how many gossip it is. | ||
| Caller, do you think that madman should be allowed to continue as an entrepreneur since he has not taken anything? | ||
| Or B, arrested, or C, institutionalized? | ||
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Well, personally, I think he should be allowed to go ahead and go through with this. | |
| I mean, he's not hurting anybody but himself if anything does go wrong. | ||
| True. | ||
| And if he were to just have been very quiet about this and not let anyone know about it. | ||
| Well, you know, he was. | ||
| He was. | ||
| I mean, let's be fair. | ||
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Even Until he got arrested, no one knew about it. | |
| See, that's right. | ||
| Until the police moved in on him for appropriating those Transformers, he hadn't told the soul about any of this. | ||
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Well, when a couple other people were. | |
| Well, what I mean is you weren't in the media, and you weren't certainly contacted by me until the Kansas City newspaper article appeared. | ||
| So he was not seeking publicity until the whole police thing. | ||
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Well, that kind of backpart, too. | |
| I didn't want publicity then. | ||
| Basically, I thought I went ahead and told them about it. | ||
| Well, don't pick up my nutcase and stick me in a nut house because I was pretty sure I was going to get a prison sentence at the time. | ||
| Well, I don't think you're in that case. | ||
| I think you've got some very strong publications. | ||
| I don't think I'm in that case either. | ||
| I was just thinking, well, maybe they'll pick up a nutcase. | ||
| I'm sure there'll be a percentage of people that feel that way. | ||
| But like I said, you're not hurting anyone. | ||
| And had you not been caught by the police, no one would have known about it. | ||
| Don't you agree, Caller, that I should videotape it? | ||
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Oh, yes, certainly. | |
| And I think that you should make that videotape available to your listeners. | ||
| You know I will. | ||
|
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I'm a fairly new listener only the last couple of weeks, and I'm just, you know, I love the show. | |
| And I'm really serious when I say either look, it's going to document what he has done. | ||
| I mean, if the guy just disappears without a trace, then we've got something on our hands. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, definitely. | |
| If he vaporizes and all there's left is madman dust on the floor, then we have a memorial to a brave man who followed his heart, his instincts. | ||
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unidentified
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And well, I think he should do one thing before he steps through it. | |
| I think he should patent his setup and make his blueprints available to your listeners. | ||
| Then you could sell it as either a time travel machine or an improvement on the Kavorkian method. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| You could do a lot of things with it. | ||
| They may be able to look at your cremation while you're at it. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
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They don't make a cream engine while you're at it. | |
| That's right. | ||
| And you have no idea how much money that kind of thing normally would cost. | ||
| And your machine could run them through like that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen, we've got a break here. | ||
| Caller, thank you. | ||
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Thank you, sir. | |
| Madman, hold on. | ||
| We'll do one more half hour, okay? | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Madman Markham is my guest. | ||
| will be back. | ||
|
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The End | |
| Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295. | ||
| That's 702-727-1295. | ||
| First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222. | ||
| 702-727-1222. | ||
| Now, here again, Art Bell. | ||
| The audience may be reminded that the Sony Corporation began in a garage in Tokyo. | ||
| Madman has a garage in St. Joseph, Missouri. | ||
| There, something is destined to occur that one way or the other will change his life or even end it. | ||
| And we will be there, videotaping it. | ||
| All right, Madman, are you there? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| Hello, Art and Madman. | ||
| I had a thought for you. | ||
| What if you build this thing, get it all set up, turned on, and before you're able to walk through it, something or someone comes through from the other side? | ||
| Have you thought about that? | ||
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Let's ran through on the line a few times. | |
| And then he goes on to suggest, also, Art, since you're going to be there, why don't you tie a rope or maybe a cable to Madman? | ||
| Then a few seconds after he walks through, you can pull him back. | ||
| Maybe a rope, but on no metal cables. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Is that a good idea, madman? | ||
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Oh. | |
| Heck, actually, as long as you'd like to touch me, I might be able to... | ||
| That's one way to come back and stay in the same universe, so to speak. | ||
| Because I'm thinking as long as you've got something tethered to you, it's... | ||
| All right, and just one more thing, then we'll go back to the phones. | ||
| Art, you might want to remind Madman, this is friendly advice, not to wear button-fly jeans when he walks through his device. | ||
| Metal buttons and 3 million volts do not mix. | ||
| That's from Michael in West Seattle, and that, of course, would be a horrible tragedy, too horrible to even contemplate. | ||
| So, I mean, they are really right. | ||
| You wouldn't want to wear a pair of pants with a metal fly or buttons. | ||
| You're going to be want to dress. | ||
| You're going to want to be. | ||
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Actually, it's going to be like one of the probably something similar to a diver suit of what I'm thinking. | |
| That would be ideal. | ||
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Yeah, like covered in rubber. | |
| Ideal. | ||
| Ideal. | ||
| Totally non-conductive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Yeah, I talked to you the first time that I had heard you on Art Bill, I called you up. | |
| And I know you had gotten a lot of calls because you were kind of tired, I think, when I called you. | ||
| But you had said a few things to me, and I was just a number of things I'd like to ask you real quick here. | ||
| One of the things you said about, now I think you had said it on the last broadcast about a couch disappearing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you tell me that, or was that on the radio? | ||
| Oh, you must have told me. | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
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Yeah, I'll probably have told you that. | |
| Well, tell them, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Caller, wait. | ||
| Madman, what do you mean a couch disappearing? | ||
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That happened in front of four witnesses, too. | |
| What? | ||
| Well, I didn't really think I would have it, but I figured something like one of my friends were playing a joke we were at a party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But anyhow, okay, this wasn't too long after I got the utility transformers. | |
| Basically, about a week later, me and Let's see, one, two, me and three other, that's the friend. | ||
| Yeah, me and three other friends were basically like partying. | ||
| Okay, a friend of mine stands on the couch, reaches over the counter, get a beer, okay. | ||
| Then they go back and that was roughly 7 o'clock. | ||
| Okay, at 7.20, another friend of mine goes, hey, Mike, where's your couch? | ||
| And this was like in the room next to where I was, like, the room over from where I was, the room I was in. | ||
| Right. | ||
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I go over there, and my couch is not there, so I figured, well, they're playing a joke on me. | |
| So, but anyhow, so I search for the couch. | ||
| Like, I search all over the house, can't find it. | ||
| A couch is hard to hide. | ||
| I was about to say that, yeah. | ||
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Yeah, well, I couldn't find it anywhere, so I figured, well, maybe they took it outside, but there's only like the front door. | |
| I've seen them carry it out there. | ||
| I don't think they couldn't, they'd have trouble carrying it out the back, because there's transformers sitting there. | ||
| Big ones, yeah. | ||
| So when did the couch reappear? | ||
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It never did. | |
| You mean this couch to this day is gone? | ||
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Well, if it ever did reappear, basically from the last thing I heard was that house where I lived at before I moved to St. Joe. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Well, I moved out when some other people took that house over. | |
| Well, that house burnt down. | ||
| They didn't blame it on you, did they? | ||
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No, I was nowhere near there. | |
| All right. | ||
| Color, go ahead. | ||
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Another thing, too, that you had said, which I thought was kind of interesting, was you said it to me, and I don't know if you're if you feel I don't know what you would say about it, I don't know about the psychics. | |
| Remember you said that they had kind of like forecasted or told you some things growing up? | ||
| There was a couple times you had talked to them and they said something to you about the timeline? | ||
| Do you remember saying anything about that? | ||
| Are you there? | ||
| No, man. | ||
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Huh? | |
| Do you remember anything about something about psychics? | ||
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About psychics, and they kind of looked into your future and they kind of there was like three different ones over a period of growing up years. | |
| No, basically I just asked them when I was going to die. | ||
| Yeah, that was roughly the same thing. | ||
| What did they say? | ||
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They said one said I was going to be 87, the other said I was going to die in 2060, and basically the other one said roughly the same thing. | |
| So what do they do? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| One more thing, one more thing. | ||
| This Jacob's letter concept, I kind of feel, you know, biblically you look back in the Bible about the Tower of Babel, and it said that they were trying to build a tower to heaven, and that God had confounded the languages because they could have done it. | ||
| And I almost think that this kind of like a stargate kind of concept, this scholars have said that that was some kind of a stargate where they were actually trying to get into a heavenly realm by building this tower, whether it was the pyramids or it was some kind of a it may take them to heaven. | ||
| All right, Caller. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| Hi, Madman. | ||
| Yes, hi. | ||
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Just real quick, if the Philadelphia experiment really did happen, you know the government picked up a lot of it. | |
| Oh, by the way, my name's Pete in Anchorage. | ||
| Yes, Pete, Anchorage, Alaska. | ||
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Okay. | |
| If they really did do the experiments, you know they gathered a lot of information. | ||
| You wonder what they've been doing for the last 45, 50 years with that information. | ||
| You betcha. | ||
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The other thing. | |
| But without access to it, you know, even though I know it sounds crazy, somehow Madman may be on the right track. | ||
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That's what I'm thinking, too. | |
| I was wondering, I used to work with high-voltage transformers in Connecticut, and when you put a heavy current to this copper and everything, it induces a large current field. | ||
| What I'm wondering is how is the rubber suit going to protect them from that? | ||
| All right, it's a valid question. | ||
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As far as the magnetic field? | |
| Yeah, well, and the high voltage, yeah. | ||
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Well, like I said, if I use the tube, like the more or less the tube within a tube field, basically, as long as that's arcing, as long as I don't touch it, I'll dart. | |
| As long as it's grounded, it's not going to arc to me. | ||
| Disk stopping arc to me, especially when I see when I go through this thing, I'm not going to be touching the ground. | ||
| I'm going to be in mid-air. | ||
| Mid-air. | ||
| In other words, you're going to have to almost jump through. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, all right. | ||
| Hold on, Madman. | ||
| We'll be right back with his new expanded plans. | ||
| And actually, it's more than plans. | ||
| Madman, about how far done toward what I'm calling Stargate, how far done are you? | ||
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Let's see. | |
| So far, I've got two of the circles done. | ||
| I'm working on my third, and I've got seven to do. | ||
| Other than that, let's see. | ||
| The transformers? | ||
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All those are done. | |
| All done? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| More or less all I got is electromagnets. | ||
| And then I got a bunch of experiment to do. | ||
| So we could be a month away from a call for the videotaping. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All goes well. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, how are you doing? | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I am in Lakewood, Ohio. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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Okay, my question has been previously addressed. | |
| I was just wondering, if it is a door that you could travel through, and then once you get there you could travel back, wouldn't something possibly come through just on coincidence? | ||
| That would be a bad... | ||
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Like Pandora's box path, possibly? | |
| No, like somebody from the outside snake through back to here. | ||
| Yeah, just on coincidence of the space where it opened. | ||
| Or something where it's. | ||
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Like something could be going through that space where it opened. | |
| Yeah, that could be true, like open right in front of an airplane or something. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| God, that's an awful thought. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, there could be something that we could, you know, that just could destroy the world. | ||
| So what would you do you urge him to slow up and not do this? | ||
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No, not at all. | |
| I mean, I just don't think it's possible because let me rephrase the question. | ||
| When Madman Michael walks through this, what do you think will happen? | ||
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I really don't know because I think if time travel had been possible, we would have evidence that someone in the future had been coming back. | |
| I mean, another possibility. | ||
| Maybe they can figure out how to go forward and come back from the point they left, but it can't go backwards. | ||
| So you think he's going to be charcoal? | ||
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I don't know if anything's going to happen at all. | |
| Well, no, something will happen. | ||
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I just think had there been time travel possible, we'd have evidence. | |
| Oh, look, you know, that's a defeatist kind of attitude, isn't it, Madam? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, how are we to know until we try? | ||
| One thing's for damn sure, and that is I would say the only thing that won't happen is nothing. | ||
| Something with 3 million volts and those rotating magnetic fields. | ||
| Sure as hell, something's going to happen. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Yes, this is Sharon in Sacramento. | |
| Hi, Sharon. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| I have a real technical or limited technical awareness here, but concerning the mental and biological concerns, I just wanted to mention that Preston Nichols in the fourth Montauk book inadvertently discovered that titanium has shielding properties against detrimental frequencies. | ||
| And I was thinking maybe he could wear a head shield of some sort under his rubber suit. | ||
| Oh, I think he plans a head shield. | ||
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Well, I got one, but it's not made out of titanium. | |
| It's made out of sheet tin. | ||
| Okay, well, it was the special properties of titanium that I think were important there. | ||
| And I think what you're doing is wonderful. | ||
| I wish you the very best, and I believe that there's a lot of energy in our mental focus, and we just suggest that as you move on through this, that you focus your intention on experiencing the highest possibilities, not ignoring other possibilities, but that that intention needs to be real clear that way. | ||
| Well, one thing's for sure. | ||
| If he fries, we will memorialize him on this show, and we will be sure the videotape is circulated as a great memorial to him, won't we, ma'am? | ||
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Amen. | |
| Amen. | ||
| That's a good way to end the call. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Where are you, please? | ||
|
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Hi, this is Mark and Little Rock. | |
| Hello, Mark. | ||
|
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How are you doing? | |
| Okay. | ||
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Hi, man, Mike. | |
| I wanted to say that a caller called in earlier and was trying to, he asked a question, was association with time and travel. | ||
| I think the answer to that could be that we only know about existence as life and existence as death. | ||
| And I guess he's trying to figure out is there anything else out there besides that or is there any distance in between? | ||
| Well, you may be talking to the man who's going to find that out. | ||
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And I just wanted to say, man, you got some guts, man. | |
| And I wish you the best. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
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All right, thanks. | |
| There you are. | ||
| A lot of support, Matt, man. | ||
| Are you surprised? | ||
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I don't kind of did last time. | |
| Well, when I was on the show last time, the first call was like, well, basically somebody thought I was going back to Anarchist. | ||
| I'm the one who wrote the Anarchist Cupbook or something. | ||
| Yeah, well, they know better than that now. | ||
| There's a lot of support. | ||
| I'm amazed. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Hello? | |
| Hello. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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Sacramento, California. | |
| All right, you're on the air. | ||
|
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Well, a couple of things. | |
| I wanted to ask him why he was doing this, and the other thing is, is he planning to go back in time or forward in time? | ||
| Well, he thinks forward. | ||
| Let's deal with your first question. | ||
| It really is a good one, Matt Ma'am. | ||
| Why, why are you doing this? | ||
| Are you driven? | ||
| Is it a compulsion? | ||
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Well, it's just something I discovered. | |
| I haven't seen where I can take it. | ||
| Is it like something that... | ||
| Then there's going to be the Stargate model, hopefully, later on. | ||
| Exactly so. | ||
| Big Stargate model. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, this is big. | ||
| Now, I think what you're doing now is gigantic. | ||
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Well, I'm working with 3 million volts right now, but hopefully, if everything works, I'd be playing with 80 million volts eventually. | |
| That's about as high they'll get with the current silver current insulating materials we've got now. | ||
| You may or may not even determine that that much voltage is needed. | ||
| I mean, for all you know, you're using ten times what you're going to need. | ||
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Well, it's like a one theoretical business said I need at least $40 million, but I can write with basically I'm on limited budget now, so I have to sell for three. | |
| But, I mean, this could blow you right into the 25th century. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| A first-time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
| Hello? | ||
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Oh, hello. | |
| Yes, you're on the air, sir. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm in Jacksonville, Florida. | |
| All right. | ||
| You were talking about how and figure out ways to make sure it worked. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And I'm thinking, get a cat, a radio transmitter, and... | |
| Well, you know, anything really that'll get a crowd. | ||
| Dogs make more noise. | ||
| They bark a lot. | ||
| Maybe you could hear the dog on the other side barking or whining. | ||
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No, what I meant was... | |
| Well, you get like two stopwatches, start them both at the same time, catch one in the cat, and a radio transmitter. | ||
| I don't like this cat idea. | ||
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Well, see, the idea is when you find a cat, if you find a cat, if it really works, the stopwatches will be different. | |
| Yeah, that would be true. | ||
| But, Matt Man, I really do recommend a dog. | ||
| I mean, cats just, it's, for example, when you say to a cat, come, it doesn't come. | ||
| So if the cat was on the other side, it might just sit there or fall, you know, it'd get on the other side and find an extra-dimensional bird, and that would be the last you'd heard of that cat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It'd be going. | ||
| At least the dog, you'd say, come on back, your rover, and he'd be back. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Madman Markham. | ||
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Art! | |
| Art, this is Brian from Oahu. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hey, yeah. | |
| I need to ask you something. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Is this thing going to generate a lot of heat? | |
| Good question. | ||
| Madman? | ||
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Well, let's see. | |
| Well, because the current of the spark's only three milliamps, I doubt it. | ||
| Now, as far as the electromagnets go, they'll be running pretty warm. | ||
| Yeah, well, what I'm wondering about is maybe I ought to wear this rubber suit, and you're going to get a lot of resistance, a lot of heat, and I wouldn't want that melting to you, and especially this tin shield you're talking about. | ||
| Well, well, if I use like the tube within a tube version, basically. | ||
| He does have a point. | ||
| I mean, what if the rubber suit literally melted into your skin? | ||
| God. | ||
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Man, use Nomex. | |
| Just get one made. | ||
| Have the zippers pulled out of an old flight suit down in the military surplus. | ||
| Hey, the other thing I've got to go real quick. | ||
| I know you've got a lot of people wanting to talk to you. | ||
| Also, the videotape. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't remember exactly how videotape works, but with that type of magnetic field, you may not be able to get it. | ||
| I'll tell you what we'll do. | ||
| We'll take videotape, we'll take digital cameras, we'll take movie. | ||
| We'll do it right. | ||
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Yeah, and one last thing. | |
| I know some people mentioned this Montauk project. | ||
| I heard something about an alternative 1, 2, and 3, and then Philadelphia experiment all tied in. | ||
| There was supposed to have been an underground experiment, okay? | ||
| And apparently, something happened where it scared them enough that they filled this whole thing in with concrete and then stayed away. | ||
| Now, that's the government, right? | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
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Yeah, now if they were worried that you were going to be opening up something that they were scared enough to put concrete in, they'd stop you. | |
| Or if they realized that you weren't on the right track, they'd leave you alone. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Listen, Madman, we're coming to the end. | ||
| We've got to go. | ||
| But I want you to give out your address for everybody again, all right? | ||
| Because there's a lot of people who want to contact you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Before you go, so to speak. | ||
| So what is your address? | ||
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209.5. | |
| Actually, it's Mike Markham, right? | ||
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Yeah, Mike Markham. | |
| M-A-R-K-U-M. | ||
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C-U-M. | |
| M-A-R-C-U-N. | ||
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Yeah, U-M. | |
| M-A-R-C-U-M. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, and the address? | ||
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209 and 12. | |
| 209 and 12. | ||
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South 13th Street. | |
| South 13th Street, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| St. Joseph. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Missouri. | |
| 64501. | ||
| 64501. | ||
| So instead of being up three days taking phone calls, you will respond to their letters? | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| And do you need any help? | ||
| You need a big capacitor, right? | ||
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Yeah, I need a, let's see. | |
| The main thing I need right now is for the output of the cascade multiplier, I need like a really big capacitor to take down the ripple of the output. | ||
| How big? | ||
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10,000 volt, let's see, at about 25,000 microfarads. | |
| That is going to be a big capacitor. | ||
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Yeah, but I've seen a few that, like AC oil capacitors, that's, well, you telecom uses them, they don't want to part with them, but those are AC oil, and they need like the electrolytic type. | |
| Well, look, you're reaching a big audience. | ||
| Somebody will come up with one for you. | ||
| Do not go appropriate one. | ||
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Oh, heck no. | |
| All right, those days are over, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right, Madman. | ||
| I mean, Mike. | ||
| Thank you, Mike, and it's been a pleasure having you here. | ||
| Don't forget, call me before you leap. | ||
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I will. | |
| All right. | ||
| That's like Call Before You Dig, only in this case, call before you leap. | ||
| That, folks, is Madman Markham. | ||
| Affectionate term. | ||
| Thomas Edison or Looney Bin Material. | ||
| Who knows? |
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