Art Bell and caller Joseph Farrell—a former Air Force scientist with degrees in computer science, aerospace engineering, and physics—debate Roswell crash materials, including a 1956 "Silver Chaff" incident that killed livestock and plants, and a B-24 Liberator photo allegedly showing debris and alien bodies. Farrell reveals DIA visits after sharing his work on exotic bismuth-magnesium alloys, possibly anti-gravitic, tied to vanished GE patents from the 1970s. Bell’s frustration over secrecy and Farrell’s safety concerns clash with skepticism about unverified claims, yet both push for disclosure amid broader conspiracy fatigue. The episode underscores how fringe theories—from Roswell to drug policy—thrive in media oversaturation while deeper truths remain buried under bureaucracy or indifference. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be, across all these many time zones, from the Hawaiian Tahitian Island chains, where the girls dance in dress skirts all the way across flyover country to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands where they don't wear much more, down into South America, where who knows, north to the pole where they dress warmly, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell.
And I've got some interesting news for you.
All of this, as usual, came down about 30 minutes prior to airtime.
I never, I'll tell you, I have a lot of help in opening my mail.
My wife and I opened my mail, and my wife, the majority of it.
And we've got another letter from the man who sent the Roswell materials and more.
Never fails, just before airtime.
For those of you that are not caught up on this story, let me rehash just a little bit.
Several months ago now, I received what was purported to be Roswell crash materials.
Very odd stuff.
Then about, well, I would guess a month later, I received a second shipment purporting to be from the skin of the crashed craft.
There have been extensive tests performed on these materials.
You're going to get another report on them Sunday on Dreamland.
And there are some very exotic tests planned that I cannot talk about.
These materials include what appears to be 100% pure aluminum in very strange configurations, 9999 aluminum in very strange parts.
Those photographs are on the internet.
It includes what is purported to be from the skin of the spacecraft, which is made up of a very strange set of elements, three elements only, magnesium, zinc, and bismuth, which is thought to be anti-gravitic in nature.
So we've got something very serious on our hands.
All of the nation's best rare metals people, industrial people, the people at our nation's national security locations, none of them are able to explain what we have.
Now, I really can't go into any more detail than that right now, except to say there is a complete scientific report on the internet, on my webpage, with electron scanning, microscope photographs, and graphs of spectrophylum and all the rest of it.
Now, that brings us to this evening.
I have received another letter, and I'm not going to be able to give you all of it, but I'll read what I can, okay?
Dear Mr. Bell, against my better judgment and my wife's advice, I once again am sending this information your way in the hope that it will assist you in your efforts.
Thank you for stating in your broadcast that I reside in blank.
It has been most helpful.
Actually, I reside in blank, but am able to visit the South Carolina region on military hops out of blank Air Force Base.
That's why these, I'm putting in the blanks.
That is why these letters have been so sporadic and have a South Carolina postmark.
It is a means to protect myself.
I know that you and Ms. Howe understand.
I did send a letter her way with additional information, but since she has not discussed it or have you, perhaps the information in that correspondence is still being examined.
Okay, regarding the precise location of the crash site from Grandad's journal, and here's where I really can't read, I won't read.
He describes in degrees, minutes, and seconds the precise location.
He describes it, let's put it this way, as within a 30-mile radius of Roswell.
Okay, regarding, the reason I'm not going to give you the precise location is we're going to want to look at it, and I don't want a bunch of people getting there before we do.
Secondly, regarding the second set of samples dispatched, meaning that from the outside of the craft, sample extraction radiated light for a full three hours, originally located on the central underside of the wedge-shaped disc.
Speculate some type of shielding, question mark, to enable craft and crew to survive accelerated entry into the atmosphere when the craft was experiencing uncontrolled descent.
Pile of blackened ash was analyzed, and the ash was confirmed of the same elements of layering.
Ash consisted of fibrous dust and residue.
Ash and all debris swept into bagging.
Bags then placed in tagged boxes.
Boxes placed into metal foot lockers.
Initial examination off-site conducted at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.
Secondary examinations at Los Alamos facilities.
Foot lockers subsequently airlifted by courier to Wrightfield, Ohio.
I sincerely hope this has been helpful.
I have considered calling your broadcast or sending the journal itself, but frankly, I am afraid.
I would say, and it's very difficult to see from here, but it looks very much like 40 or 50 or 100 troops near this B-24 in a line.
I cannot tell you any more than that.
I can only tell you, about 30 minutes ahead of airtime, I scanned this photograph and sent it to Keith Rowland.
He probably has got it up on the website by now.
So any of you who are familiar with aircraft, what I did is I pulled some of the yellow aspect of the picture out, which turned it back into more or less a black and white when I scanned it.
That's all I did.
I just pulled the color intensity down to zero and brought it back to black and white.
Otherwise, it is a pretty good representation of the photograph I have got in this letter.
So anybody who would like to go up to the website and take a look, I would very much appreciate it.
The website that contains all of the information on the parts received, the testing done, and now this new photograph can be located by going to www.artbell.com.
That's my website address.
www.artbell no space a-r-t-b-e-l-l dot com of course the obligatory http HTTP: then www.artbell.com.
Or with a browser, you can just put in Art Bell, and it is the first web page listed.
So there you are.
That is the latest.
I'm withholding a couple of things.
The man's real location and the specific exact area of the crash site.
Other than that, that is the content of the letter, and you now have the photograph up there, and I would appreciate anybody who knows anything about aircraft going up there and seeing if there is anything you can recognize that would help us out.
It is Friday night, Saturday morning, or if you're hearing this Sunday night, Monday morning, so be it.
The President of the United States, the one and only Bill Clinton, said today, the economy is in the best shape this generation.
Arguably, he is correct.
Unemployment is at a six-year low.
There have just been 239,000 new jobs created, many of them construction jobs at high pay.
The average pay for Americans lagging for years is now significantly on the rise.
Housing markets are good.
So the president arguably is correct.
The economy is in good shape, and the forecast is it will be in better shape.
The market didn't like that one bit.
It points toward the possibility of inflation, interest rate heights, almost a damn sure thing now from the Fed.
And so the Dow Jones went down almost 115 points on the day.
So it is typical of the market to react this way, and I bet it's going to be a bad Monday.
This is, though, on balance, bad news for Bob Dole, because people vote their pocketbooks.
That is the one truth, absolute truth about elections.
I doubt that people care much about the president's dalliances, whether they occurred or not.
Whitewater's gone nowhere.
I've gone through this whole litany before.
The FBI files mess seems to be going nowhere, should be, but isn't, probably because of all the battering the president's been getting.
So on balance, my judgment continues to be this president is going to be re-elected, and he'll be re-elected because Bob Dole is not going to be a good contestant, but most of all, because the economy appears as though it's going to be in very good condition.
That re-elects presidents.
So there you are.
Crime.
Get this.
Crime for juveniles, young people, is up 68% in the last five years.
Latest on NBC and LA gang video, what a piece of work this is.
It shows gang members indulging in arson, bomb-making and exploding, and attempted murder.
By the way, this is in a better part of L.A.
And I don't know.
It's a horrible time we live in.
People document their bad deeds for later enjoyment or something.
I've got several unrelated things now.
Art, after hearing you read the new letter on the demon seeds, it began to hit me they may be for real.
My first reaction was to urge you to burn them, but that'd be wrong.
Clearly, you can't risk planting them, but I think you should send at least half of them to Linda Howe so she can arrange analysis.
I'm sure they can be germinated in a secure lab under controlled conditions and possibly DNA analyzed.
Have you heard, by the way, the Saudis say they have evidence the Army barracks bombing was arranged and financed not by Iran, but by Syria.
If that proves true, it'll be quite a shock.
We've been coddling Assad for an awful long time.
We've been warned by many other countries, he's no better than Saddam.
I guess we never learn.
Later, Rick in Reno.
All right, seems like a good topic.
So listen to this.
Dear Art, been listening to your show for about a half year.
Enjoy it.
Don't know what your topic is for the evening.
Neither do I.
But here is something that I've been considering sharing with you.
A couple of months ago, you had a gentleman call in claiming to have shot and killed a Bigfoot, actually, two of them.
I know this is getting to be a well-worn topic, but I, too, had a close encounter with Sasquatch many years ago.
Being a professional person and well thought of in my field, I've been reluctant to share my tale with any but a few close friends.
It's a long story, but I'll be brief.
First, let me say I was born and raised here in the Rogue Valley of southern Oregon.
I've been an avid outdoorsman, backpacker, in my entire life.
22 years ago, while packing deep in the Marble Mountains wilderness area, Northern California, southern Oregon border area, myself and two companions were terrorized for an entire evening by the beast.
We spent that night in a large Madronic tree, that's M-A-D-R-O-N Madrone tree, I guess.
That's an E, I'm sorry, tree.
And the next day, while packing back down the trail, the animal flanked us for about three miles.
I'd like to go into details, but space here does not permit.
Suffice it to say, we saw the animal close up several times.
Art, they really do exist.
One of the people that went through this with me recently moved back to the area.
We plan to repeat our journey this fall, this time a little better prepared.
If you'd like to know more of my experience, possibly I could mail you the whole story.
It is quite interesting.
Signed, Keith.
I've got a phone number here, too.
So there you are.
All right, I've got more, but I don't have more time to get it all out right now, so let me take care of a couple of things, and then I'll get the rest of this out to you.
And then we will have a night of open line.
You name it, anything you want to talk about, talk radio.
Stay right there.
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This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Welcome to Art Bell,
Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 5th, 1996.
C-H-E-M-U-N-G County in the southern part of New York State.
Above the overcast, the moon rose late, full and blood-red.
It was still rising when Mr. and Mrs. Charles Reese of Sagetown, which is eight miles south of Elmira, went to bed after feeding the two watchdogs on their chicken ranch.
Shortly after midnight, a light rain began to fall.
A little later, after 2 a.m. Tuesday morning, Mrs. Reese was awakened by the dogs who were barking angrily in the yard.
She rolled over, went back to sleep.
Her husband, sound sleeper, slept through until morning.
At about 6:30 a.m., Mr. Reese left the farmhouse to attend to his chores.
Rounding one of several chicken coops on a two-acre ranch, he discovered thousands of bright, shiny, metallic shreds scattered all over the ground.
He said later that an offensive odor assailed his nostrils at the same time.
The shreds were silver-colored on one side and lavender-tinted on the other.
Each segment was about one-half to one inch in length and about one-two-thousandths of an inch thick.
They resembled brightly colored Christmas tree icicles.
Also scattered about the area were several pieces of a substance resembling cardboard, evidently the remains of a container or containers in which the metallic shreds had been packed.
Mr. Reese discovered on the roof of a nearby chicken coop had been dented by an object, apparently, that had fallen from the sky.
Undecided about the identity of the substance, Mr. Reese notified the town of Southport patrolman Robert A. Loomis, the police officer, collected some samples of the substance and contacted the county airport manager who investigated and had made an immediate air search of the vicinity.
A light liaison plane of the Connecticut National Guard had been reported missing on a routine flight on Monday between Albany and Camp Drum, New York.
Though this is far north of Elmira, the airport officials considered the plane might have wandered into the area, blah, blah, blah.
Let me go on.
At any rate, the chickens, his chickens, began to die.
And there's a lot more to the article.
Now, as usual, they have sent me these metal shards.
I have the metal shards.
I also have some of the roots of the plants that died.
I don't know about that because when I wrote my book, you know, the art of talk book I wrote, I got a lot of old photographs from my mom and my dad when they were in the Marine Corps.
And they frankly looked exactly like this photograph in terms of the yellowed oldness, almost identical.
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Putting it in the fixer solution for about two seconds will do almost the same thing.
Does the photograph look like there's any like the gloss on it?
If it killed chickens, then it's potentially dangerous, and I'm not sure that I want to have it around.
So, let me see.
Let me get some work done here, and maybe I'll pick up the phone and try to call him.
probably wake him up and he'd be angry i'm unable to reach on it I got his answering machine, so I guess we're going to have to follow up on this later.
And until then, I'll keep this tinsel in a safe place.
Killer tinsel that fell from the sky.
My first reaction was that it was chaff, but I don't think this is chaff.
It gave off an odor, it killed chickens, it killed trees, and now I've got it sitting in the other room.
Probably killing my cats or something.
Something has happened.
I've become a collection point for this weirdness, and I don't know what to do about it.
Yeah, and so I invite your audience to, I'd like to mention one other thing here.
Those of you who are interested in pin-based computer systems, here's an interesting little fact for you.
If sighted people would have learned or could or choose to learn a form of ink dot-based Braille, the cost of the hardware and the software of those units would go dramatically down.
Do you follow me, Art?
Yes.
Because the Braille does not have an identity.
It does not have the variables in it, which script or print does.
A lot of people aren't going to be tracking with you here.
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Well, the reason why I gave you that extreme example was that I do know that there are people out there that are working with pyramids and various other configurations.
So I decided, since I enjoy your show so much, to offer something that I knew would be really way out there.
And I just want you to know that I really look forward to hearing you, and I hope that I'll be listening for a long, long time.
For those joining at this hour, I can't repeat all I have.
I will in the next hour.
But what I will tell you now is there is new information on the Roswell parts, significant new information.
We've got a photograph which purports to be a B-24 loading.
Let me see if I can find it here.
I've got so much stuff.
Which purports to be a B-24 loading to take the parts to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
And I've also got some others.
Let me read you what it says.
It says B-24 carrying Roswell debris to Wright Field, large contingent, means of military troops, is security detachment, bodies of aliens on board B-24 along with foot lockers.
This is from the man who sent me all these parts.
Now, I've received these two faxes already.
I've got that photograph.
It's an old, old photograph, folks.
So it's not in the best of condition.
And I've got the original photograph here.
I scanned it in, took the color intensity down to bring back the black and white aspect of the photograph.
That's the only thing I changed about it.
Added a little contrast because it's very faded.
But that is now on my website, along with a whole bunch of other stuff.
You've got to make it up to if you know anything about aircraft, I want to know first of all if it is a B-24.
Here's what I received so far: Art Roswell photo.
Just looked at the picture, and there would appear to be about 60 fully geared paratroopers waiting to board, although that plane would not hold 60.
The blob in the upper left-hand corner, weird by the way, may be another B-24 coming in to pick up the rest of the troops, but why paratroopers?
And then this from the desk of Bob, and I won't read the last name.
Hi, Art.
Love the show.
I viewed the photograph of the airplane on the webpage.
It sure is a B-24 bomber.
I'm also faxing you a picture of a B-24 so you can compare it for yourself.
Keep up the good work, Rob.
So apparently, I've got to hear from more of you.
It is a B-24, I guess.
I'm not an airplane expert, but I do have the original photograph, and by God, we can date it.
Here's where it gets even weirder.
Behind the scenes, over the last month, I would say, we have had a scientist working with us whose name I'm not going to give unless he wishes to give it.
But he sent me a fax just now, which says, Dear Art, I'm sure that I should not be faxing you at this time.
However, I just heard your letter concerning arts parts.
I was visited today by the DIA, that would be the Defense Intelligence Agency.
If you will contact me either tonight or tomorrow, I'm willing to provide information I was hesitant to speak of and did not give to Linda last weekend.
This can be confirmed by calling Linda and asking about our conversation.
The information I provide will fill in many gaps and go far beyond the hints I have provided thus far.
It is fundamentally important that this information be gotten out before some unforeseen event occurs to me.
I have not contacted Linda because I feel her conversations are being monitored.
There is more than one person scared at this time.
I'm concerned for my wife and children as well.
Personal regards signed by the person you're about to hear.
Dan, why don't you give the people as much of a background as you can with regard to who you are or what your background is and how you came to be interested in these Roswell materials that I possess?
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Well, probably the easiest way is just to summarize it in a couple of sentences.
I have master's degrees in computer science, aerospace engineering, and physics, and a Ph.D. in physics.
I worked for the Air Force from 1973 through 1980, and I've been following all of your information since it appeared a month and a half, two months ago concerning Arts Parts.
Initially, I wasn't real interested in the materials because aluminum, extract aluminum can certainly be made, forged, and punched out.
But I quit sleeping at night, well, when I heard about the bismuth parts that you had talked about.
Right.
And certainly became more concerned when I saw the first scans, the first EM scans that came down that you showed about two weeks ago.
Now, what that means is you've got something and you don't know what it is or where it came from, and you, in effect, try to figure it out in reverse.
Instead of inventing, you're sort of trying to figure out how it was invented.
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Yeah, a good example would be back in the 70s, a MiG was flown into the China area, I believe.
Not China, but I guess into Hong Kong or one of those areas.
It was flown across the border.
And we gave, we, the military, gave the aircraft back within seven days.
But over that seven-day period, I virtually worked 24 hours a day because all of a sudden things started showing up in my lab asking me to try to determine what they were and verify them.
Now, in most cases, it was tube-type electronics, and they were very easy to figure out and determine their purpose.
But that's an example of the type of reverse engineering is to figure out what they did, bandwidth performance if it was jamming equipment and things of that nature.
So that was the conventional kind of work you did.
Did you back-engineer anything, shall we say, more exotic?
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There was quite a few times when all of a sudden I got a call at 2 o'clock or so in the morning stating that there were people waiting for me at my front door.
At that point, I lived in Ohio, Springfield, a little town in Springfield.
And in 15 minutes, they'd pick me up.
Well, 10 to 15 minutes later, there'd be a knock on the door, and it would typically be either an E8 or an E9 waiting for me to go on a trip with them.
And one trip I can remember in particular, an E9 came.
He first asked for my identification.
And I thought that was relatively strange to go through all the details that he went through to verify I was who I was.
I got in the car with him, a sedan, and was driven to Wright Field.
On the way, he asked me if I would leave him with my watch, which I was very hesitant to give him.
It was an HB01, which was one of the original calculator watches.
And I was concerned, you know, this is a $750 watch.
You want me to give it to you?
Yeah.
To which his comment was, don't be concerned about it.
It won't be damaged.
If it is, it'll be replaced.
Climbing On The Aircraft00:06:17
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So I gave him my watch.
Climbed on the aircraft, and we departed right path.
About four hours later, we landed.
I knew that we flew west, but that was about it.
There was virtually no contact between the cockpit and myself.
You know, I found that a little frustrating because in my background, I have about 10,000 hours airtime, and I am typed in an N265, which is basically savers, or T-39s.
But anyway, that was kind of the nature of the beast.
Anyway, we arrived right at sun up.
The sun was just coming up, and it was obvious that I wasn't at Edwards.
I couldn't tell where I was, and to this day, I'm not sure where it was.
There were a few hangers around.
But anyway, I went into labs and spent about two weeks at a lab facility that on my TDY orders was identified as Edwards.
Okay.
Now, I don't know whether I had flown into China Lake or where it was, but it certainly was not Edwards Air Force Base.
In other words, when you began to hear about the reports coming in on the skin of the craft, obviously something resonated in you with regard to what it was.
Well, I think you have portions of what I describe as a lifting body or portions of the skin of a lifting body.
I was exposed to material that was virtually identical to what you're discussing and have been discussing.
It turns out that the material was layered about 30 layers of alternating pure bismuth interlaced with primarily magnesium with about 3 to 4 microns of the bismuth with about 20 to 25 microns of the magnesium compound and then that was interlaced all the way up through the body of the material through the entire mass of the material.
No, I don't think the organization I've been in I've been in contact with the organization before.
I took quite a number of trips over the years after I left the Air Force into Europe, and it was always a three to five hour settings session every time I came back wanting to know exactly who I talked to, where I went, and what I did.
And finally, that quit about 10 or 11 years ago.
And so I felt that maybe it had finally gone away.
But it's one of those things that I don't think it ever goes away.
When you say lifting body, can you give us any more than that lifting body, lifting body?
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Well, basically, I'll try to use simpler terms.
A lifting body could be considered an airfoil or something that could be used in the atmosphere to create lift, such as in an aircraft, a powered aircraft.
The reason I referred to the material from a lifting body is some of the tests that I was able to conduct over a two-week period with the material itself.
Bismuth is a very, as I call it, phenomenal product that hasn't been discussed virtually at all in the aerospace industry or in a good portion of the publications.
Well, there's a very interesting aspect to this, Dan.
There was a lot of discussion about bismuth in the early 70s, and there were a number of scientific papers published leading in the directions of discussion with regard to its anti-gravitic nature and so forth and so on.
And then all of a sudden, all papers and all information on bismuth simply disappeared and stopped being published, and there hasn't been anything since.
And everybody we're talking to is incredibly tight-lipped about it.
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Yeah, and that's interesting.
There was an individual that published a series of three patents back in, I believe, 1971 through 1973 by the name of Wallace.
And Wallace worked for General Electric, and he produced a series of patents that basically proved in a small-scale type setup.
He had the information provided on his patents is basically what I would consider test equipment the way he had designed it and tested it.
But he was pretty much able to prove that there's some very interesting properties that go with bismuth.
And this is all in the public information.
There's certainly nothing classified about it.
Anybody can pick these patents up and look at them.
Obviously, a very nervous Dan, we will call him Dan, a physicist who worked with the Air Force and back-engineered some pretty black project stuff, knows about Arts Parks.
Today, the DIA Defense Intelligence Agency knocked on his door.
You know, I have an interest in these matters, but I'm not a scientist.
And all of this has fallen in on me like a house of bricks.
I mean, it really just has been kind of a heavy load over the last few months.
And it's driving me crazy, frankly.
People keep sending me things.
I've got a recent shipment of some strange materials that killed foul.
I'm telling you, it's driving me nuts.
Look, none of us, well, I won't say none of us, but most of us listening are not scientists as you are.
So, can you give us a layman's version of what you think about this bismuth material?
How does it do what you theorize or think it does?
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Excuse me.
Bismuth is it shows some very interesting characteristics, specifically in the area of magnetic permeability, the ability to absorb magnetic waves.
You know, there's basically two ways that you can think of things moving, as either a wave or a particle, and that would get us into quantum mechanics and into relativity, which we don't want to get into.
But bismuth is somewhat like hydrogen in that it's what's considered diamagnetic, or it tends to expel or push away a magnetic field or reduce a magnetic field that comes around it.
And you're right, it's probably very, very confusing to people.
But the bottom line is if with something that has an interesting magnetic permeability, is if you control if you connect it to an electric charge, there has a tendency to actually repel the magnet somewhat like a magnet pointing towards a compass, where the compass will always point to north.
Sure.
Diamagnetic material will basically not do that.
And it won't work like a piece of iron in the way iron works with a compass.
It has a completely different effect.
You could almost consider in some tests that have been run, primarily back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, that the magnetic characteristics of bismuth repel magnetic fields.
What could you imagine the purpose of layering it with magnesium?
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Well, magnesium is a much lighter material.
Bismuth is a very, very heavy material.
It's only two protons less than lead in weight, basically.
But it's also very elastic, which means it will stretch to 400 or 500% its size.
Now, this gets down to an interesting point.
If we assume that we have a body, let's call it an airplane wing, that has a layer that's a half inch thick of bismuth intermixed with magnesium, and it's interlaced where you have two parts of bismuth to 20 parts of magnesium.
Well, if it was being used, let's say it was on a jet and it was flying in a war zone, maybe like back in the Vietnam era, and a bullet was shot at it and the bullet actually penetrated the surface, what would happen is the bismuth would extend to about 500% its size, so it would go from like 2 microns to about 10 microns before it would break.
But with a 20-micron separation, it wouldn't allow one layer to enter with an adjoining layer.
And by setting up 30 or 40 layers of this stuff, all of a sudden you can have what would look like from an electrical standpoint a continuous piece of bismuth.
Now, because of its mass, you need to intermix it with something that's a little bit lighter than itself.
Well, if we would assume that there was a very, very large charge placed on the bismuth, and I'm talking in the neighborhood of 1 to 2 million volts, positive charge, one could theorize that you could create a situation where the magnetic fields would become very, very small or actually become negative.
And all the work he did, he released the last major release from Einstein was actually in 1929 when he released his unified field theory, which was basically pulled back quite early after he had released it because he saw some major holes in that.
And there were probably two holes that I can think of.
One of it was in that time period, there was very little known about electron spin, or actually how the electrons spin in their orbits.
And that would have had to have been considered in his unified field theory, and I'm sure it wasn't.
So to correct his unified field theory for that, it would not be a simple job to rewrite the work itself.
In fact, it would be a very arduous task to rewrite the electric field theory.
But another portion of it is one of the things that's always remained constant since Newton's time is that gravity is a fixed value.
Gravity has a certain fundamental basis that's supposedly not changeable.
And so all of his work also considered the fact that gravity is a constant.
Well, if it was found that gravity was in fact not necessarily constant, so that you could make it scalable or a scalar type value, then that opens up the whole world to do some calculations and to rewrite virtually all the work that's taken place since the 20s forward, or actually since Newton's time forward.
She's been to all the rare metals people, the best of them in the country.
She's been to Sandia, I believe, Los Alamos.
She's been all the very best people, and either they won't talk or they say they just plain don't know.
I mean, all the people who might manufacture something like this or might have either haven't or say they can't.
One of the two.
So we're really stuck with this.
Where do you think we go from here?
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Well, I've given Linda quite a number of contacts back into Sandia and back into Los Alamos, getting around some of the people that she's talked to, because she's talked primarily to the heads of the departments.
Right.
And I'll be really frank.
Los Alamos, it's my opinion that Los Alamos and Sandia both are playing games with her.
Well, what I did with the materials that I got is they are geographically scattered around the country in the hands of science people and so forth and so on in such a diversified manner that it would be now too late for them to get control of this.
Yeah, apparently a couple guys came to the door, and I guess he answered, and they blasted him.
It was Probably a thing with drugs or something like that.
I don't know.
You know, they I tell you what, I'm kind of a late-night owl.
I sit and listen to your show and blah, blah, blah.
And after your show will go off here in Columbia or in a news break, I'll go to the kitchen to get a drink of water and these folks are outside partying, you know, at like 4 a.m.
Yeah.
So, you know, they end up getting shot, or at least one of them did, and the other one got shot twice, like grazed, while he was running away.
Well, and then, oh, yeah, and I was going to tell you one thing about this whole Filegate muck, you know, that whole mess.
Sure.
You know, the thing is, if somebody was to break into your house and then they get caught, I don't think the police are going to care one way or the other if they were there to read you a bedtime story or there to kill you.
I think the point is they broke in, and you really give a lot of slack to these people that, you know, I mean, it's cool that they dig Bill Clinton, I guess, but, you know, you've got to just learn when to, by the way, it's not the Republicans that put the name gate behind everything.
My only comment has been that there has been such a battering over things that have really, for good or bad, gone nowhere that the public is damn near numb about it all.
And so Filegate came along and they went, it's just one more thing.
But I'm beginning to realize now why the public is not engaged.
They've just been it's like to me the Kennedy assassination.
There are so many theories, so many conspiracy theories, that if somebody were to go to a podium and announce the real truth tomorrow, when it was all said and done, it would just be one more theory.
unidentified
Yeah, well, okay, well, here's one last thing then.
I mean, why isn't something like this recognized where we've got these human rights violations all over China?
I mean, everybody knows about that in the tank there at Tiananmen Square.
Yes, yes.
And, you know, still, they have favored nation status, favored nation status, and people want it taken away because there are human rights violations.
And Clinton and the administration, and really, I guess, Congress, everybody's to blame in the government that, you know, is in that part of that foreign affairs type thing.
I guess that would be the administration, wouldn't it?
Well, anyway, they don't stand up and say anything until some CDs are copied illegally.
And then all of a sudden, we're going to take away their status.
Like, money is the only thing, really.
I mean, that's a clear definition.
Money is the only thing that made us take a look at China.
This man has been in communication now for some time with Linda Howe and myself, and I chose not to air anything about him until I got this business on his visit from the DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, today.
At that point, I phoned him and I said, look, you're better off going public.
Yeah, you know, if these people that are always calling up and bitching about the government, if half of them would just take the time to listen to what these people, the libertarians, have to say, I know.
And I heard Harry earlier saying, look, the big two parties could not have done us a bigger favor this year.
We've got two inside career politicians.
It's our best chance yet.
I saw that interview on CNN, and he is correct.
The only thing I would say is, darn it all, if the Libertarians would only modify a little bit of their ideology, a lot of Americans, particularly conservatives, would embrace it that otherwise are hesitant to.
Yeah, you know, I've heard that, and I'm not real knowledgeable on all their platforms, but I didn't see anything during that televised convention that sounded so out there.
You know, and not none of it.
It sounded exactly like what everybody that calls your show and says they wish would happen.
And as promised, she barely made it in for the room cloned, I think.
Ramona is up on AOL.
My wife is on AOL in the chat room, known as the Grassy Knoll.
Interesting name, huh?
What you do is go on AOL, hit keyword up at the top, and just type in the name Art Bell.
With or without a space, it will take you to the right area.
Then you check on Grassy Knoll, and boom, you're in the chat room.
So she's up there right now, hopefully answering not embarrassing questions.
Now, callers trying to label you from Gary in San Diego.
I believe we are much alike in our views.
When I am asked where I stand on the political spectrum, I respond, a conservative libertarian.
This is not to be confused with a Republican Party platform, or the tinge of chaos and lack of values that may follow a libertarian government.
After all, there are moderate Republicans, conservative Democrats, Reagan Democrats, etc.
Fry this on for size and see if it fits.
I don't know if any label fits me, as you can well tell by now.
Art, if you ever decide to retire from radio, I can see you and Ramona in bib overalls and straw hats running Art Bell's Emporium of Weirdness on Highway 395, the Celestial Highway.
The Museum of Weird, maybe with a two-headed snake thrown in.
Dear Mr. Bell, will you kindly reread the part of the letter regarding the radiation of light from the bismuth sample?
It's very important.
Well, actually, it was from the bismuth magnesium-zinc sample, and it simply said that that, after the crash, glowed for three hours.
And that wasn't from Dan.
That was from our anonymous friend who sent the samples.
Dear Art, the most simple explanation for the chicken-killing foil stuff you just described is chaff.
Yes, we know.
Military aircraft have dumped jillions of tons of it in exercises and war since World War II.
Even get shot out of cannons.
I'm surprised an old ham like you didn't recognize it.
Well, it doesn't look like chaff, sir.
Chaff is simply tin foil.
Yes, I know.
But it shouldn't kill chickens.
Maybe if they pecked at it and choked, more likely the farmer was just trying to get his pound of flesh out of the government after getting a bunch of chaff dumped on him.
But who knows?
Yes, you're right.
It doesn't look like chaff.
I've seen chaff, sir.
And this does not look like chaff.
And then this, Art, regarding Art's parts, if the parts are what we believe them to be, as advertised, that is, with the enormous risk the government took on to cover up an event of such significance with all the people and possible security leaks involved, they surely would have a game plan for what is happening now.
Interesting times.
Best will.
Interesting times indeed, Will.
And the plan, for all I know, I'm part of the plan.
I'm not surprised that Dan got a visit from the security people.
I'm not surprised at all.
Because he is the link, or at least I could see how he could be a link to closing the gap between the information we have and what we think it is, so it makes sense.
And if you look at what occurred in China and other nations that have legalized it, Needle Park in Switzerland, whatever you want to look at, in areas where it's suddenly been free, open, and unbothered, the addicts have begun to add up to the point where in China they had to begin to behead people.
unidentified
Well, actually, I've done some research on this.
In regards with Needle Park and anything of that nature, I think what you're talking about is a more highly visible problem rather than a more prevalent problem.
But I think it's ludicrous to imagine that if opium and crack and heroin and PCP and all the rest of them were openly allowed, even if not condoned by the government, openly allowed to be sold, transferred, whatever, you would end up with a lot of addicts.
I don't think there's any magic.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist for that one.
And so my position is that marijuana should be decriminalized and that the other drugs then should be separated from marijuana and the hemp product.
And we should go after them like crazy.
Go after them where they're grown.
Go after them as they come into the country.
Go after them at the street level in every way we can.
Then you would have a legitimate, in my opinion, a legitimate war to wage.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes.
I would like to know what the how he's generating the profits for the experiments that he's doing.
I'm not all that happy about it, but you go along a trail and you get volunteers, scientists who volunteer to do a lot of very serious work, and it's been done for free, electronic scanning and all the rest of it.
But for more involved tests, which I don't want to discuss right now, there's a charge.
And so you do what you have to do.
we'll be back in a moment so as usual my wife is on a all right now in the grassy knoll chat room in the periscope area
And as usual, as usual, there's a fake Ramona Bell in there.
Now, let me tell you, that is a fake.
It's probably some big old fat-bellied guy with beard who went in there with the name Ramona Bell.
Well, wrong.
That is a fake because my wife is in there under my name, Art Bell.
So the name Art Bell is really Ramona.
She's the one on the computer.
The one who says Ramona Bell, that's total fake.
That is a fake.
And that is a problem.
And that's a low-life kind of person on the internet.
Low-life kind of person in cyberspace.
Those who would assume the name of others.
So my wife is the one that says Art Bell.
The one that says Ramona Bell is a low-life.
Just wanted you all to know.
She's up there now on AOL.
Not actually on the Internet, in AOL in the Periscope area.
And you can get there just by going on AOL and enter keyword, you know, the keyword category, and enter Art Bell.
It'll take you to the Periscope area and then just put in check Grassy Knoll, and boom, you'll be in the chat room.
But I just wanted you to know that is a fraudulent Ramona Bell.
The real one is operating with my name, Art Bell.
So when you see Art Bell, it's really Ramona.
Now, having said that, let me tell you a little more about what I don't know about women.
And that's quite significant.
Absolutely fresh flowers is what I do know.
What I don't know is why it affects women the way it does.
I know with Ramona it works.
She gets flowers, and it's just an emotional blast.
And with absolutely fresh flowers, it's a bigger emotional blast because you get more flowers.
This giant triangular box just packed full of flowers.
Oh, I'll tell you, in tight bunches, they come straight from a flower farm, and so they cut you this magnificently, exquisitely large shipment.
They put a card in there with your message handwritten and your name at the bottom, flower preservative and next day delivery anywhere in the contiguous US of A. You call now.
They deliver tomorrow during the week.
The number is 1-800-562-6438.
That's 1-800-562-6438.
Anybody who would fake their name like that, as far as I'm concerned, in cyberspace, is a true bottom feeder.
I mean, if saucers are coming down and blowing up the White House, I know that much, and a lot more, cities are melting, you know, you're going to go out in a blaze of love.
unidentified
Well, I'm hard to get a fix on the movie, really, to be honest with you.
ID4 or any of the materials that I've received or the inquiry, scientific inquiry.
You know, there's always a critic for everything.
And so you just do the best you can, and some are going to like whatever you do, and some are going to hate whatever you do.
That's something I've learned doing this job.
When you talk to millions of people at one time, no matter what you say, no matter what you do, there will be critics, there will be people who will not believe it.
That's why I say no matter what kind of smoking gun for the existence of aliens or anything else that you would come up with, we are now in a day and age where it's not going to be believed by everybody anyway.
So you do what you can.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Yes, sir.
This is Robert in San Francisco.
Yes, sir.
And I haven't seen Independence Day yet.
However, I must say that from what the previews see, that it seems to be, well, I don't want to give away anything from what I know, but I haven't seen it.
But it seems like to me that they've gotten away from appealing to a story in a lot of the recent films that I've seen, because sci-fi is making a slight comeback on films.
They've made a comeback towards appealing to popcorn eaters instead of making a good story like they did in the future.