Art Bell dissects the 1996 Saudi bombing’s bizarre State Department delay, Filegate’s 900+ FBI files scandal—where Craig Livingstone’s resignation implicates Vince Foster and Joe Kennedy—while critiquing polls showing 68% believe Clinton used them politically yet still leads Dole by 17 points. He mocks Dole’s "flaccid" campaign, debates landlord liability in St. Louis drug crackdowns, and dismisses "Big Brother" database claims as speculative. Callers clash over hypocrisy in leadership, racial tensions (like Bell’s wife’s Texas discrimination), and morality polls, revealing a public that tolerates scandals if aligned with their political preferences. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning across all these many, many, many time zones stretching from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Islands eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north into Santa Country at the poll, and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. Top 40 morning.
I'm Art Bell.
Lots to talk about.
And so let's dig in.
We'll get to Open Line Talk Radio, which is what it's going to be all night long.
Well, we still don't know who did it.
But Warren Christopher went and visited the bomb site.
About 40,000 U.S. personnel, civilian and military, remaining in Saudi Arabia.
And they today received a State Department warning that times are dangerous.
I bet they really needed that, huh?
No kidding.
Would have been nice had the warning come a little earlier.
But it didn't.
The president going to the G7 conference, where now the main topic will be terrorism.
The new enemy, in fact, is really terrorism in the world right now, isn't it?
And it's on the increase, and it's on the increase in the Mideast.
And we will remain in Saudi Arabia, and there will be many there that don't want us to.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Wednesday, an all-male, state-supported military college has now got to let the gals in.
In a landmark discrimination case, the High Court decided in a 7-1 vote that the historic all-male admissions policy at Virginia Military Institute must go.
And so it goes.
Dissenting Justice Galia said that it is politics smuggled into law.
Ooh, that's pretty strong.
Politics smuggled into law.
I'm going to have to remember that line.
Yes, indeed.
now a very very interesting day i must say with regard to the fbi files wrongdoing there was some there was a group of the there was a hearing held yesterday and what a joke it turned out to be in so many ways There was a lot of anger.
There was a lot of yelling back and forth.
And there was a lot of hearing interruptus because of the bombing in Saudi Arabia.
They continually interrupted the hearings on CNN with the president making statements about Saudi Arabia and all the rest of it.
Coverage showing that gaping hole in the ground again and again and again.
And so these hearings suffered.
And it's all very interesting.
Let me tell you a couple of things.
And I really think this is a critical thing for us to consider.
The NBC Wall Street Journal poll out today gave kind of a mixed signal that I think makes sense when you look at it very carefully.
68% of the American people surveyed said that, in their view, this was, on the part of the Clinton administration, a phishing expedition to get information on political opponents.
Now, that's almost 7 in 10 Americans saying they do believe the Clinton administration was going after people trying to get dirt.
18% said it was an innocent mistake.
But the very same NBC poll gave Clinton 54% and Bob Dole 37%, a full 17-point spread.
7 out of 10 of the American people believe this was a phishing expedition to get dirt on political opponents.
But by 17 points, they still support Bill Clinton over Bob Dole.
The same NBC Wall Street Journal poll.
Now, I'll just leave it there.
And I'll ask all of you, what does that mean to you?
In other words, the American people are saying, yep, he did it.
He shouldn't have done it, but he did it.
And they're still supporting the president by a 17-point margin.
Bob Dole picking up the endorsement of James Woolsey, who served as CIA director under President Clinton.
The judge in the bomb case in the Oklahoma City bomb case now being tried or about to be tried in Denver has ruled that victims' relatives are not going to be allowed to sit in court during the proceedings if they might have to testify in the upcoming trial.
Now, that certainly makes sense.
But the defense for McVeigh wants the trial moved again, doesn't like Denver.
This time, he wants it moved out of the continental U.S. altogether.
Now, I guess you could send it to Hawaii or Alaska.
Or does he mean he wants it out of the United States of America altogether?
For those of you that are a little cynical, a Supreme Court ruling Wednesday allows political parties to spend more money to help their congressional candidates in general election campaigns.
Now, this is a big blow to the spending limit crowd.
And to me, it means the big money people win.
We lose.
So there you are.
I just, you know, I don't know what to say about this.
I'm so discouraged.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
I am a 21-year-old college student in northern Wisconsin.
I want your opinion on a matter that has been pondered by myself and friends.
Do you think there is any way that a person could run for a federal government office, Congress or the Senate or the presidency, without having the benefit of a lot of wealth?
Aha.
As things continue to get worse in the U.S., I feel compelled to do something about it.
I'd like to run for Congress someday.
You know, try to add some common sense into the senselessness of government.
I believe we really need a revolution in the U.S., an unarmed one.
I wish that a normal middle-class working American would stand up and say, I'm not going to put up with this anymore, and instead of sitting on their rear, actually get up and run for office.
So here is a young man in Wisconsin who would like to run, and he's asking, I guess, all of us, me, whether I think without wealth you could run for office.
I would like to say yes, but that is not the real answer, is it?
And whether you have to have personal wealth or you have to raise money, the answer clearly is no.
But maybe there's a reason for that.
Maybe the ability to raise money means that you have support.
Well, it does, right?
If you can get out there and raise money from people, then you've got support.
Unless there is a cruel twist, and that money comes from specific and narrow special interests, then you have perverted the system, haven't you?
And I'm afraid that's what this ruling is going to allow or even expand.
So what is my answer to that, young man?
You can try, but I'm giving it to you honestly.
I don't think you can succeed at that level without money.
I wonder if any of the rest of you are more optimistic than I. Here's something kind of interesting.
I would like it confirmed.
Hayart, what can you tell us about the latest findings on DNA that may eclipse Darwin's theory of evolution?
These new findings show that DNA can only degenerate in structure and not advance.
Wow.
These new findings show that DNA can only degenerate in structure and not advance.
I suppose we'll all have to be like the members of the OJ jury if we wish to believe what science has been saying about the origin of species, creationism or evolution.
The debate continues.
Now, this is the first I had heard of that.
But that is very significant, isn't it, if true?
In other words, DNA does not advance, does not regenerate and become metamorphosis.
What am I trying to say?
Become the next generation, as it will.
And I can't even come up with that word, metamorphize.
I can't even say it.
Isn't that something?
You tell me anyway, what does that mean to you?
That DNA can only degenerate.
That means that we slowly waste away as a race.
Now, one of the things that was always said about, quote, the aliens, was that they needed to renew their DNA structure.
All the animal mutilations that have been going on would seem to be DNA research.
What if that is a general truth, that DNA degenerates, that like our bodies, it has a certain life.
And as it degenerates, so does the race that it describes.
And that's what it does.
It describes, in effect, life, doesn't it?
So any of you commenting on that, I would appreciate it.
Hey, Art, I couldn't help but cringe when that congressman mentioned Admiral Borda's name today.
Oh, yes, he did.
He was referring to the late Admiral's sense of honor and apparent lack of it among the Filegate people.
I then tried to imagine Clinton as the captain of a sinking ship.
Would he give his life preserver to a woman or a child and then strap himself to the mast just before the ship took the final plunge?
Hell no.
He'd put on a dress, wig, and makeup and fake his way onto the life raft.
Yes.
The other thing that I found humorous during the day watching the hearings, as I was able to as they sort of came and went on CNN, very humorous indeed.
Everybody wanted to know and kept asking who hired Craig Livingstone?
In fact, they had fights about who hired Craig Livingstone, who threw himself on his political sword and resigned, as you know.
Big surprise at the hearings.
The White House expressed shock.
Yes, I'm sure the White House was shocked and surprised.
At any rate, they kept asking people who hired Craig Livingstone.
Well, why didn't it occur to the people on that panel that Craig Livingstone was sitting right there, and I almost felt like shouting at the screen, why the hell don't you ask Craig who hired him?
But no, they had to take the roundabout way and pound on everybody else, who insisted, by the way, person by person, in giving answers that frustrated the chairman to the point that he almost broke into tears.
So the whole thing, as far as I'm concerned, was kind of a joke.
What's not a joke is the horrible, horrible violation of personal privacy that this White House is trying to write off as a mistake, which, by the way, the American people don't buy.
And that's the other interesting thing I want to talk about this morning.
The American people, I just can't believe it.
On the one hand, they're saying seven out of ten, yep, they were after political fodder to do in their enemies.
But then by a 17-point margin, they still say, but Bill Clinton is our guy.
Now you tell me what that says about the American people.
Here is an AP story sent to me by Robert at KQMS.
Thank you.
Congressional Republicans are questioning why the White House has compiled a computer database of members of Congress, political contributors, and reporters.
Ohio Republican congressman, I can't read this.
John Bonner, I believe it is, Bonner, says it is outrageous.
Texas Republican Tom DeLay charges its big brother government.
Actually, it's called Big Brother.
House Republicans are asking the White House to release to each member information that may be in his or her file.
The White House, in fact, confirms now it does maintain a database, but get this, folks, says it's used mainly for things like invitations and holiday cards and to keep track of President Clinton's supporters.
So, you know, a big old cray computer there spitting out the birthdays.
Check.
Just one little addendum here.
The question came up on last night's or Tuesday's show concerning why no one was stirred up over the IRS and FBI file mess.
I visited some friends earlier in the evening.
We were talking about politics and so forth.
And we all came to the conclusion that we just couldn't get excited over this election and may not even vote.
Because the whole system is so rampant with deceit, cover-up, trying to thwart the desires of the people that the Congress, the President, the courts all cannot be trusted to do as the Constitution requires or intends.
And I have to agree with Tom in Roland Heights, California.
That's why I have stayed away, for the most part, from politics so much on this program, because I just am not engaged.
And last night, you heard me get a little bit engaged with the FBI files thing because I view it as a horrible invasion of privacy.
And I thought, aha, here's something with legs.
But then today, I'm faced with a survey showing the American people indeed think it was evil doing on the part of the Clinton administration, but they still support the Clinton administration.
Now, it's like saying, yeah, we know your morals aren't what they ought to be.
Yeah, you virtually admitted cheating on your wife, but we don't care.
We like you.
It's like saying, yeah, we know you avoided duty in Vietnam.
Oh, we saw the letter to the Colonel.
We know you did that, but we don't care.
We like you.
You're Bill Clinton.
Yeah, sure, you called up some FBI files on your political enemies and did a little fishing around, but hey, a 17-point lead.
It's okay.
We like you.
You're Bill Clinton.
I give up.
I really give up.
I just, I can't believe it.
I was waiting for the next survey to come out because I thought, aha, you know, all of this is going to resonate perhaps a week late with the American people.
And lo and behold, a week has gone by.
Another legitimate survey has been done.
And I do view the NBC survey, Wall Street Journal, as legit in both ways.
I mean, it really does.
It says volumes, doesn't it, when you think about it?
I mean, consider it, folks.
The American people know what he has done.
And on the other hand, same survey, they're saying, but we really don't care, and we still favor you over Bob Dole by 17 points.
I swear I give up.
Politics is just too damn corrupt for me.
It's a half hour.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight featured Coach Coach AM from June 26, 1996.
Art Bob Dole's twitchy television persona, which I have long observed on the Sunday morning political programs, has always been a strong argument for switching to decaffeinated coffee.
His impressive intellect, political expertise, however, never were in doubt.
Who is this imposter we now see on our televisions with his strained, painfully fake smile, who seems so sadly unsure of himself, so tired, so awkward, so prone to verbal misfires, so horribly and unacceptably ancient.
Dole's fire seems fizzled, his sparkle spent.
I believe what we are witnessing, Art, is a strong, decent, and formally effective man who's begun to lose his faculties at a very embarrassing and inopportune moment in his life.
The Bob Dole of ten or even five years ago would be giving Clinton a run for his money.
This flaccid, forced Sunset Years Bob Dole in his descendancy, is a shadow of his former self and likely to get progressively worse.
Put the honorable old political war horse out to pasture and out of our lives and his misery, or there'll be a lot more iron poor blood spilled during the remainder of the campaign.
Holy mackerel, what a fax.
I'm not sure that Bob is that far gone.
He is not what he was.
And frankly, I like Bob Dole in his meaner days.
The Bob Dole who would say something like, quit lying about my campaign.
You remember that?
The old war horse indeed.
And at least there'd be a fight.
There'd be a little fight in the guy.
I don't know.
He has not got it together.
The facts are correct about that.
So I'm down on politics.
And after watching the hearings yesterday, even more so, and oh, there was somebody who said they did ask Craig Livingstone who hired him, and he couldn't remember.
Now, I didn't see that.
Maybe it's the part I missed when CNN kept cutting away.
I don't know why in the hell I didn't go to C-SPAN.
I sat there getting more and more angry by the minute.
Every time CNN would cut away, which they mostly did.
So I probably missed that.
But I did see a range of other people all trying to answer who had hired him with long pages and paragraphs.
Say, one aspect of this situation you did not report on that was reported on a couple of different sources.
Apparently, the Clinton White House has a little basement operation going, may possibly have assembled up to 10,000 names, including reporters and congressmen.
Yeah, I can almost picture Craig Livingstone with a big old piece of mainframe computer lugging it down to the basement of the White House on his back.
Beginning to do data entry.
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He almost became a sympathetic character.
He was so out of his league, it was just almost pathetic.
I keep an eye out on the American landscape to see what's going on.
Anyway, I think the American people aren't being given enough credit for realizing that in the great scheme of crooked political dealings, the so-called Foulgate scandal isn't that serious.
I think if you were to ask the American people and poll them, they would say that the Democrats are every bit as pathetic and worthless and corrupt as the Republicans.
Now, what do you think about that?
unidentified
I think I'm sure you're correct, but I am.
You know, the Republicans seem to be willing to go to any lengths, including this thing with Mrs. Clinton consulting a guru.
They seem to be willing to go to any lengths to discredit this presidency.
Well, I suppose the the a good answer to that would be because that's the only way that actually we can ever get less government is if government itself decides to reduce its number.
I just work out of my truck quite a bit and drive around and was listening to you talk a little bit earlier and you were discussing a bit of your frustration with the American people over The 17-point lead that Bill Clinton still maintains over in the very same poll that showed seven out of ten people think that Bill Clinton used those files for political purpose.
And yet, I would imagine that if you are a moral person, you would have a hard time drawing a distinction between, say, what's outlined in the Ten Commandments and what you feel personally.
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True.
True.
I believe that there's a lot of truth outlined in the Bible.
I just also feel that there's a lot of heresy involved with it as well.
I have read the Bible.
I've read it in two languages cover to cover and have gone through different times in my life where I did align myself more as a Christian.
However, I just really feel that the Christian coalition and the Republican Party are just too closely tied together.
As a matter of fact, lately he's been annoying me.
unidentified
You know, he's been annoying me for a while as well.
It seems that too many people in this country are just looking for somebody to blame their problems on instead of taking personal responsibility.
And it's just my belief that, you know, and I don't mean to speak poorly of Christians because there's a lot of wonderful, truth-seeking people out there who are Christians, friends of mine.
I just don't like the whole structure being based on blame.
And I just, I, again, I wish I've been a Democrat all my life.
I wish that Bill Clinton had behaved differently on many instances.
I think he sat on the fence with the gay issue in the military.
He had an opportunity, you know, he fired a surgeon channel because he talked about masturbation.
I just could not believe that either.
And this file thing, I have problems with that as well.
I just can't align myself with the Republican platform right now, based mostly on the fact that I think that there's too many people within the Republican Party that are leaning away from the separation of church and state.
Look, I basically agree with you, not in sharing the convictions that you wish Bill Clinton had, but I agree with you with regard to his personality and that of Bob Dole.
But they have a right to expect something from Bob Dole.
And that man and this facts are not all wrong.
Bob Dole has not yet, to my satisfaction, ever expressed any kind of vision that he has for where he will take us if he becomes president, what America's future is.
It sounded like a sort of a version of a debate with Charlie.
Everybody wanted to know who fired, excuse me, who we know who fired, who hired Craig Livingstone.
And they asked everybody, and everybody gave long answers, frustrating the chairman, who kept saying, yes or no, yes or no?
And nobody could give a yes or no.
I said, well, why didn't they just ask Craig Livingstone who hired him?
And I must have missed it.
It must have been when CNN cut away because I didn't see that.
I didn't see him.
Apparently, he said he couldn't recall who hired him.
Now, do you think that if you were hired at the White House, you could remember who hired you?
Do you think you'd likely remember who hired you to come to work at the White House?
Or would that be a I don't recall matter?
Then there was a special moment when Mr. Livingstone was reminded that Admiral Border committed suicide for an offense less significant than the one he committed, and he looked thunderstruck like he ought to go fall on a sword.
I wonder if he'll make it through the night.
The whole thing was a mess.
CNN kept cutting away, going to the president, again and again and again, making his comments about what happened in Saudi Arabia.
And they, of course, again and again and again showed the big hole, and it is a big hole in Saudi Arabia, and so you didn't get to see a lot of the hearings in the first place.
It was a genuine mess, actually.
So I'm disgusted once again tonight with politics.
I mean, disgusted.
I really, really thought, naive me, that the American people would realize this is a very serious breach of personal security.
And apparently they have realized that.
So on that point, I'm not disappointed.
The NBC Wall Street Journal poll, as of last night, is most incredible.
It showed that 68% of the American people, damn near 7 out of 10, believe the Clinton administration had these files to glean information on their political enemies.
That's almost 7 out of 10 of the American people.
But the other half of the poll shows that President Clinton continues to lead Bob Dole by 17 percentage points.
So, what do we conclude?
Ooh, much brain work required.
Seems as though the American people, on the one hand, do think the Clinton administration did a terrible thing, but on the other don't care.
Either that or dislike Bob Dole so much that no matter what Bill Clinton would do, short of child molestation, he will remain president.
That's about all I can conclude.
And so, once again, tonight, I am thoroughly disgusted with politics.
And oh, yes, they passed a measure in the House.
No, I'm sorry, the Supreme Court actually did this, allowing political parties to spend yet more money to help elect their congressional candidates.
So, I'm just, you know, I've had it, politics.
I thought last night we really had something, and today seems gone.
Then I noted that somebody had been sending me emails saying the guests on Nightline never blink.
And I think it is true.
I've seen a lot on it.
The guests on Nightline never blink.
Watch Nightline and see for yourself.
Sam from Glendale says the guests on Nightline are blinking.
It's just that all the viewers can't see them blink because they're blinking at the same time.
This is far more mysterious than meets the eye.
Art, after listening to your program the past few nights, I am so disgusted at the so-called ethics displayed by the reigning leader and his miserable wife.
I can only say this.
I wish to God the ghost of each and every person who assisted in creating our democracy and signed the Declaration of Independence, plus each president, vice president, and ladies of SAIDI, plus all lawyers of reasonable character, if there is such thing, were to meet smack next to the bed of oil-tongued Woolley and his wife, wake them up, and proceed to tap dance in and out of their heads, terrifying them so badly, they pack their bags the next morning and blow Washington and head for the backwoods of Arkansas.
Then we were talking about DNA codes.
And I got a fact that said that DNA codes never Proceed, never go to the next generation, never improve themselves, but only degrade.
Somebody from Washington writes, our DNA codes are understood by our scientists about as well as their study of black holes.
The cell DNA has over 100,000 instructions, and to try to understand the variety and complexity of all this would be like having total knowledge of how the universe operates.
So what if a few strands are supposedly disintegrating?
Maybe the other latent 10 will kick in, and we finally will become aware.
So we're talking about a 4.5 earthquake in Markleville, California, about an hour ago.
Mammoth also has been shaking.
Dean from Kauai makes that observation.
One more item.
Somebody called and said there is a big computer or database in the basement of the White House called Big Brother.
I haven't heard of this, but here comes another facts.
Art, I also heard of the database Big Brother.
What differs this in sharp contrast to the FBI files is that only Bill and Hillary and a very small handful of top administration officials have access to it.
CNN was selective coverage and information screening at its best.
Yes, it was.
I saw an entire 30-minute segment of Talk Back Live with no interruptions.
During the OJ trial, there was not this degree of bouncing back and forth with trivial live coverage and old news recaps.
If you go into the voting booth and you have the option of voting for a career politician like the fellow I'm running against in Northern California, and he has been in there for eight years, and he's a moderate Republican, and I'm a conservative Republican, but I'm a construction worker, a carpenter, a logger, and a shipyard worker.
And if you had the option of voting, you know, taking the political climate in America today, if you had the option of voting for a career politician or a common guy, I think I'd stand a pretty good chance.
Frankly, I don't, you know, I think the answer is kind of a depressing, I'm sorry, without Bucks, you're dead duck.
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Well, I believe that, but I believe in Providence, too.
You know, a lot of people call this America an experiment, and I don't think it's an experiment.
I think it's Providence, and I think that that's going to be the solution in our country.
One of the solutions is that we need to get common people in the government.
And I mean, as a real radical example, I think we ought to have politicians and all government employees be like jury duty, where you go and you serve your four years and get out and get rid of this cronyism that's going on in there.
I mean, for a real quick example to you, I think there's crimes that are going on in America that a lot of people are not aware of.
And one of them has to do with secretaries and clerks and people that are next to people in positions of power that have been in there for 30, 40 years.
And they have their own little click of who they let in, who they don't, how they treat, who they treat fairly and who they don't.
There would be several people between Bill Clinton and the hiring of Craig Livingstone, whoever did it.
It might have been, for example, I would imagine the President's chief of staff would have done such a thing.
But I don't know for sure.
All I know is maybe it doesn't matter.
If the American people don't view this as a problem, don't view the President's dalliances as a problem, don't view the sexual harassment lawsuit that is pending as a problem, don't view his dodging the military as a problem, then short of child molestation or something, maybe murder, there is going to be Bill Clinton in the White House once again.
And I have got really a terrible, well said facts here that I'll read you again about Bob Dole.
It's the doggauntest facts I've ever read, and you might be challenged to disagree with it.
Anyway, according to the testimony they can get in between constantly being interrupted by the Republicans, I think that William Kennedy testified that originally Mr. Livingstone worked for the inauguration for security.
Yes, but then later volunteered to work in the personnel.
Well, I mean, I know he's very involved with environmental issues.
I know he's terribly interested in education issues.
And I know when he was in Tennessee, or when he was a senator from Tennessee, that he was also very involved in those issues and had a lot of what some people would term wild and wacky projects going on.
Unusual concepts about the way the environment, you know, certain environmental issues should be.
During the campaign, you hear a lot from the vice president.
But traditionally, and this is really steeped in great tradition, after a administration is ensconced, and after the first 90 or 100 days, the vice president, by tradition, is supposed to step back and not be heard from.
And Al Gore, in that great tradition, has stepped back, and we don't hear a thing from him, and I don't think we will until it's campaign time once again.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Oh, hi, Art.
How are you?
I'm just fine, thank you.
About the racism, and you feel it's a different type than it was in the past.
Well, in the 20s, there seemed to be a parallel with now times.
Now, a bunch of Republican presidents, people, certain groups of people, Republicans, got richer and richer and richer, just like now we're Republicans getting richer and richer and richer.
He says, Art, the Washington Times today reported the story of the Big Brother database.
I guess allegedly, down in the basement of the White House, a giant mainframe, probably next generation Cray, keeping track on all of us.
Exclusively available, probably by handprint and retinal print, only to the First Lady and to the President and selected people who need dirt.
Big Brother.
Big Brother database.
Boy, wouldn't you like to hack your way into that one?
Oh, my.
Art, how many times do I have to tell you Clinton's got away with it because the bulls are running in the market.
People are making money.
They just don't care.
James in Denver, Colorado.
James, I suspect you're right.
And if our interest in politics in America has been reduced to the pocketbook and completely to the pocketbook, in other words, if I'm doing okay, I'm okay, you're okay, you can stay in the White House as long as people are making money.
If that's what it's come to, then so be it.
And that just reinforces my complete disconnection lately with politics.
It's getting to where I hate it.
I almost liked it yesterday because I thought, aha, you know, the truth will cometh, the people will see it, and Bill Clinton will goeth.
But none of that has happened.
As a matter of fact, again, in case you tuned in late, the latest survey, NBC Wall Street Journal survey, shows 68%, damn near 7 out of 10 people, think the Clinton administration had these FBI files to get information on political opponents.
Dirt.
68%.
However, that very same poll also shows Bill Clinton leading Bob Dole by 17 points.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes, good morning, Art.
Hello.
This is Ron again from 29 Palms.
Yes, Ron.
In answer to your question, I think you've forgotten about the politics of last year.
And prior to the end of last year, President Clinton's numbers weren't that high.
And when the bill presented by the Senate and the Congress, Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich, got to his desk and he vetoed it, that's when the president's numbers started to soar.
In fact, if Bob Dull's not careful, he'll be run over by Bill Clinton.
Don't laugh.
unidentified
Well, I just feel that, you know, if you remember in 1994, when the Republicans took over the House and the Senate, it was with a 21% victory out of a 38% electorate that turned out to vote.
And when this came down last year, and there was like 78% of the people that were against the Republican bills that went to the president, that's a good majority of the country.
That's a good majority of the people.
So I'm kind of believing that no matter what Clinton does, people are still afraid.
he was talking about uh... for example an apartment building a commercial railing being confiscated because one tenant uh... would have drugs and i'd come to prove that and i said show me an example show me an example I said, Okay, now what I want to do is I want to give you an example of buildings that are owned by a landlord that are confiscated because the tenants in it were dealing drugs, okay?
Wait a minute.
There would be one caveat here.
If the owner could be proven to be aware that the drug dealing was going on and doing nothing about it, then he could be legally considered to be in complicity.
And they not only have the responsibility to evict them, but to arrest them.
And they're negating their responsibility in the St. Louis area anyway, because they're blaming it all on the landlords and they're bulldozing the homes.
And the fact of the matter is, they have the responsibility if they know they're dealing drugs.
Yet when it comes down to it, he just says, well, Bob Dole stands for clean air and good schools.
He never really goes into it.
He never really articulates what would make a person want to vote for him.
I know.
And, you know, an interesting thing about Bob Dole is, remember during the Republican debates down there in Georgia where Alan Keyes is trying to break in?
I'm not sure that I could get from him what others have been unable to, but I think I might be able to if the conditions were right.
You know, if they'd give me more than about a half hour.
If I had a good couple of hours with Bob Dole, at least I could get to the point where I could make a decision about the man myself.
I voted for him in the primary because there was, in my opinion, no choice.
I will vote for him in the general again because, in my opinion, there will be, unless there is a political miracle, unlikely, no choice.
But I will not do so happily unless I'm able to understand more about Bob Dole.
God, I'd love to interview that guy.
I have a request into his headquarters, and we'll see where it goes, if anywhere ever.
I think that what he needs to do is get on a program like this, maybe sit at home on the phone in a nice, relaxed atmosphere, and tell us all what he would do for America.
What he wants, why he wants to be president.
A reason beyond a wonderful cap on a great career.
I'm not altogether sure that I wouldn't do it again because circumstances now are about as dire as they were then.
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Yeah.
Remember that?
It'd be hard to get worse, but I still don't understand how the economy seems to be as good as it is, and the politics in Washington are as bad as they are.
Actually, in a way, politics once again, but from a different slant.
I'm kind of just all disgusted with everybody politically today.
I watched the hearings yesterday, such as they were, in and out, preempted consistently on CNN by scenes of the president repeating again and again and again and again, saying, when you attack one American, you attack them all.
While true, didn't need to be said that many times, didn't need to interrupt the hearing that many times.
I saw that crater in Saudi Arabia about 25 times during the time I should have been able to see the hearings.
And what I did see of the hearings, I thought was ridiculous.
Reidiculous.
I never did really find out, and I've had a lot of different stories on who did hire Mr. Livingstone, who yesterday, right in the middle of hearings, resigned from his White House position, followed by a statement of surprise, possibly even shock from the White House.
It is Representative Christopher Shays, Republican of Connecticut, which asked the question of Mr. Livingstone and Mr. Kennedy: Who hired you, Mr. Livingstone?
He replied, Mr. Kennedy, Shays, Mr. Kennedy, did you hire Mr. Livingstone?
Kennedy implied, it was Vince Foster who hired Livingstone.
The heated exchange took three minutes and 32 seconds.
At one point, Shays says, Mr. Kennedy, I will use all of my time for you to answer this one simple question.
And so apparently, it really, really never did get answered unless you want to believe that it was Vince Foster.
And I marveled.
I absolutely marveled.
Now, you see, I never saw that part.
I guess I didn't stay up late enough to see the part where they finally asked Mr. Livingstone, but I was wondering why didn't they do that at the beginning?
They asked everybody else who absolutely refused to answer with a yes or no, every last one of them, to the extreme frustration of the chairman, who's going nuts, and then getting criticized because he was going nuts, trying to get a yes or no answer out of somebody.
And so the whole thing was a charade, and then CNN made it more of a charade, in my opinion, by cutting out constantly to go and review things that we had seen 43 times already.
So I was pretty angry yesterday, and that's probably reflected in what I'm saying this morning.
I'm not happy.
I'm not happy.
Not a happy camper.
The NBC Wall Street Journal survey yesterday said it was a two-part survey.
This will blow you away.
68% of the American people said, yes, they think the Clinton administration used those files for political purpose.
That's almost 7 out of 10 Americans think that the Clinton administration did that.
Pretty serious, huh?
And so then the second part of the poll should knock your socks off.
Fully a 17-point lead or preference remains for Bill Clinton over Bob Dole.
17 points.
Same survey, same respondents, incredible answer.
So what does that mean?
It means, yes, they think they did a dirty deed.
But no, they don't think it's worth changing presidents over.
That means the American people accept what has been done.
The president admitted virtually a dalliance on 60 minutes, you'll recall.
The American people accepted that, forgave, and voted him president.
The American people considered the fact that he evaded duty in Vietnam and thought about it and forgave him and made him president.
And now the American people find that our president, or at least his administration, has used, at least in the American people's view, these files for political purpose, dirty dealing, dirt digging, and all the rest of it, but still they want him as president.
So, I am disgusted with politics and frankly with both sides right now.
Dear Art, I can't and don't imagine where this country is going, what Americans don't care about violations about their own privacy and rights.
My right to privacy is nearly as important as my freedom of speech.
I don't want people knowing where I eat, sleep, and what I do 24 hours a day unless I want them to know.
Maybe the reason people aren't really concerned about Filegate is because the media is not making a big deal about it.
Well, maybe so.
And then we got word about Big Brother.
Big Brother is a database allegedly in the basement of the White House.
And apparently, Bill and Hillary and a very small handful of privy people can go down and consult Big Brother about God knows what.
Maybe you, maybe me, no doubt me, that's for sure.
Sitting down there ticking and twitching and jumping around and divulging whatever information is requested by those who have sufficient clearance to ask for it.
In the basement of the White House.
Probably the old digs of Ollie North.
Who knows?
Then I got this facts that I think you ought to hear from Sean and Yucca Valley.
It is very cynical with regard to Bob Dole, but I think you ought to listen.
And if you want to take issue with it, then you may do so.
Art, Bob Dole's twitchy television persona, which I have long observed on the Sunday morning political programs, has always been a strong argument for switching to decaffeinated coffee.
His impressive intellect and political expertise, however, were never in doubt.
Who is this imposter we now see on our televisions with his strained, painfully fake smile, who seems so sadly unsure of himself, so tired, so awkward, so prone to verbal misfires, so horribly and unacceptably ancient.
Dole's fire seems fizzled, his sparkle spent.
I believe what we are witnessing, Art, is a strong, decent, and formally effective man who's begun to lose his faculties at a very embarrassing and inopportune moment in his life.
The Bob Dole of ten or even five years ago would be giving Clinton a run for his money.
This flaccid, forced, sunset ears Bob Dole, in his dependency, no make that descendancy, I'm sorry, is a shadow of his former self and likely to get progressively worse.
Put the honorable old warrior out to pasture, out of ours and his misery, or there's going to be a lot more iron-poor blood spilled during the remainder of the campaign.
Well, that's pretty rough, but it may be accurate.
And then a lot of people are annoyed with me for not taking a position.
Strongly on the side of Bob Dole.
Well, I voted for Bob Dole in the primary, and I probably am going to vote for him in the general, but not with enthusiasm.
Not if I had to vote as of this moment.
That's when they do all their survey.
You know, if you had to vote now, who would you vote for?
And I would have to say, well, Bob Dole.
But sure as hell, not with enthusiasm.
So I'm not here, you know, to, I guess, tell you what you want to hear, and it will be disappointing for some of you, but as of this juncture, as of this moment, I am disgusted with Bob Dole, with politics, and even more so with Bill Clinton.
Now, something may come along to change that.
I don't know, but it sure as hell didn't today.
So in a moment, back to open lines.
Art, your assessment of Bob Dole's right on the mark, and I agree as a Kansan, signed Joe KCMO.
Dear Art, in the past few days, most of the conservative talk show hosts have been wondering out loud, have they, why Clinton support is so strong in the face of serious accusations made against him lately.
I think it is not so hard to understand.
I support Clinton partly because of the policies he has enacted.
What would those be?
And partly because of policies I hope he will enact.
Gun control, a good economy, the environment.
Well, we've got a good economy.
He can't enact that.
He can't even ruin it.
Well, he could ruin it, I guess.
The environment?
Well, I support the environment too.
I also support him because he is my main defense against the Republicans and what I feel would be policies they'd set in motion if they got more power than they have now.
I might vote for another Democrat in the primaries if I knew about Clinton what I know now, but it would have taken an awful lot more negative information than has appeared to date to make me vote Republican or not vote at all.
Try to turn it around.
If Dole were the president and he were running for re-election and Clinton's accusations were Dole's, would you vote Democrat?
Well, yeah, sure, I might.
I mean, if Dole were president and he had been doing all the things that Clinton has been doing, then yes, sure, I might vote Democrat.
You never know.
You know who I think could make a damn good president?
Sam Nunn.
You want to talk about a Democrat?
Be a good president?
Sam Nunn.
Now, why aren't the good people running?
And I even extend that into the Republican Party.
There's lots of good people we could have had run.
I'm not saying Dole's a bad person.
He's not.
It's just that we could have run a lot of good people.
A lot of good people.
And they just didn't run.
So it's kind of like Dole got it because of tenure or something.
I don't know.
I'm just turned off to politics.
I'm sorry.
Today I've really had it.
I've really had it.
I mean, what went on yesterday in the hearing room was laughable.
Pathetic.
The way it was covered was laughable and pathetic.
And the surveys that followed it were laughable and pathetic.
Both of those words working for each category.
Laughable and pathetic.
It is laughable indeed that this president, charged with, in fact, seemed to be doing all the things he's doing, remains the choice of the people, by not a small margin, but by a large one.
If that changes, I will be the first person to show you the sound of one hand at least clapping.
But I haven't seen that yet, and I see nothing to applaud about.
I would say in the HUD projects, there's been quite a considerable effort to evict those who are known to be dealing drugs, and they've been doing that on a fairly regular basis in HUD.
Well, let's have your general overview of how cool ID4 was.
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Well, it's like this.
I work in the industry and I read a lot of scripts and I go to quite a few screenings and quite often you run into this formulaic kind of seen it before, done it before kind of thing.
Sure.
But when you run into a movie that from start to finish grabs you by the lapel, so to speak, and just doesn't let go.
I've seen one other movie this year that kind of does that, and that was The Rock with Nicholas Cage, an action-packed movie that had a bunch of, it was unpredictable, and this is from the very start, the special effects.
You can almost guarantee an Oscar nomination for this.
would you say the movie of the year i wouldn't i don't know if i would go that are although people who are interested in the entire uh... ufo phenomenon and listen listen can you afford to hold on I've got some stuff I've got to do to break at the bottom of the hour.
Will Smith, known to most of your audience as the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, does a star turn as a Marine Corps fighter pilot who is one of the heroes in the story.
Jeff Goldblum, another one of the main characters and a hero in the story.
How satisfying is it seeing the White House blown into little matchstick-sized pieces on the big screen?
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Okay, this is amazing because Bill Pullman is the actor who portrays the president, and he has a very Clinton-esque quality to him as portrayed in this movie.
He's described as idealistic, and he's got a female chief of staff.
So automatically, you get the impression this is a Democrat.
There is a man who has seen Independence Day, lives down in Hollywood.
And yeah, I knew the first showing of it was yesterday.
I really am jealous.
I'm dying to see that movie.
I believe it will be the movie of the year.
I've been hearing an undercurrent of pre-applause for this movie for a long time now.
And if it lives up to the billing that it's been getting, it's going to be fabulous.
It is going to also, I believe, move the thinking about aliens in a bit of a different direction.
Up until now, contemporary motion pictures about aliens have tended to be sort of the warm, fuzzy little guys who some little child befriends and takes home and keeps in the closet with his stuffed toys.
And I just wondering if you caught in the kind of what I considered the delicious irony about the spiritual advisor for Hillary in that on her resume for her qualifications, she said she had two PhDs, and then it came out that the second one she said was a clerical error.
And then the very next day, it turned out that that was a lie, and that, as a matter of fact, she purposely and knowingly put that on there because she feared the pressure from the press.
Yeah, but Americans do not seem prepared to dig below the surface.
Again, I hold up to you this poll that says seven out of ten Americans just about believe they're using this for foul purposes, these files, and yet still favor Clinton by 17 points.
And it's those exact same people, sir, that when able to attempt to cheat on the tax, when they get a $10 bill back instead of a five at the market, they don't return it.
Somebody was worried that if I were to play a good representative Gabriel's horn, maybe I could set the whole thing actually in motion, you know, being heard on so many zillions of radio stations with all of this radiation going heavenly that somebody would hear it and the whole thing would start rolling by mistake.
If that is true, then why would they support a president that they have just said, excuse me, that they have just said they realize is not doing the right thing and or is not honest, and yet they still favor him.
But I think, too, that you and I, both being relatively conservative and believing in right and wrong and would like to see Mr. Clinton leave, just aren't.
Well, there's more of my type and your type that listen to your program and call in, I think.
Of course, that doesn't answer the question as far as the statistics on.
As you know, I am the closest broadcast facility to Area 51 and live in a little town called Perump, which is not far from it, and a lot of people who work in that area live here and a lot of things that fly from that area fly over this valley and a lot of people who live in this valley get to see these things and a lot of people don't talk about them, but you can be sure of one thing, they're out there.
As a matter of fact, when I was younger, it was a safer day in America.
Not completely safe, but safer.
And I can remember at 16 years of age hitchhiking literally across the country.
And I can remember being dead broke, dead broke, and making a phone call and having $7.34, 35 cents, I guess, come absolutely cascading out of this telephone in the middle of nowhere, out in the middle of Missouri somewhere, I think it was.
But, you know, regarding this President Clinton and the file gate, as you conservatives are so fond of call it, it's just another red herring you guys are dreaming up.
I saw the most beautiful sight today, a red white.
Well, why do you need a sacrificial lamb to sacrifice himself for nothing?
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Well, quite frankly, just to be truthful here, President Clinton is our brain trust.
We've got to preserve this guy.
And if you have someone who's overzealous in the department doing very zealous screening of these people who are out to get Clinton, I think that's fully acceptable.
President Clinton is once-in-a-lifetime type of president who we've got to come along and take care of very, very carefully.
I mean, you Republicans have been on a tear ever since the Borg nomination fell through.
You've had the American Enterprise Institute well-funded.
You've had the GOPAC Institute well funded.
You've had America in Accuracy and Media well-funded by corporate largesse, all out to get President Clinton.
So just protecting him from conservatives who would do harm to him is a great thing.
I do thank you for the call and the admission that it should be falling on the president's shoulders, but he, quote, quote, you, took the hit.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Art, I am mad as hell tonight on two issues, and I hope I got a quick chance to tell you about it.
Go.
First of all, the caller who called in and you read the facts, I guess, or I guess it was the facts about the mannerisms of Bob Dole, the twitching or so forth.
You know as well as anyone, and maybe you forgot, but the caller should have known that the man was brutally wounded in World War II.
There's no question about the fact that the man has suffered and has some physical problems.
And I think this is an indication of how narrow-minded the public is in how they're looking for a candidate for president.
That's my comment.
But the other one that's more important is I'm really frustrated hearing you say time and time again, and you said it several times tonight and the other night, about how you're lumping Bob Dole in and the Republicans with your frustration with politics in general.
about doors that i think wrong the republicans actually he's done nothing much at all Well, he hasn't, but the election is five months away.
He's out of money until the convention occurs.
And why would it make sense for him to get into the news right now when there's so much going on negative in the Clinton administration?
But he evens are at moments of opportunity where the press and the coverage has been free.
And an example of that I will give you is a response the other day that he had that he could have made to the whole Filegate business.
All he did was make a weak little joke and a chuckle.
And that was his response to Filegate.
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I saw that, and I agree with you.
I would be right down Clinton's throat.
But I think it's very unfair to have almost equal criticism of Bob Dole when there is actually crimes that have been committed in this Clinton administration.
All right, then maybe you can answer for me and are not frustrated by the poll that I just cited.
The latest one, the NBC Wall Street Journal poll, showing almost seven out of ten Americans thinking the Democrats have done wrong, that they were searching for dirt, and that's a horrible thing to do, to use FBI files to search for political dirt.
That's what the American people think.
Art.
Now, on the other hand, they still favor by 17 percentage points Bill Clinton over Bob Dole.
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Art, I am not going to base my hope in the future of this country on opinion polls that I have no idea how they've been determined.
I am going to do everything I can to try to convince people that we need to vote Republican and conservative to turn this country around because that's what's in my heart.
I'm not going to just throw my hands up and say we have no hope because there's a 17-point difference.
The whole political process, both sides right now.
Disgusted.
Now, what could revive mean?
Well, I don't know.
I suppose polls showing the American people they're disgusted too.
They're upset.
They don't like what's going on, but that isn't what I see.
What I see is the American people knowing what's going on, as reflected by 68% saying that the Clinton administration is using these files for political ends.
Personal FBI files for political ends.
That's what they said, the poll.
Same poll.
17-point lead for Bill Clinton over Bob Dole.
You know, I'll tell you something.
If you run into somebody who's not disgusted over this, you should suspect their motives.
The new bills, ostensibly, the hundreds first and then the rest of the bills to come, were introduced to prevent counterfeiting, which has already occurred.
Now, what else might they do with these new bills?
Now, let us think.
Well, reportedly, the ones seen in Russia and overseas are different than the domestic bills.
That would allow them to devalue domestic currency while holding up the value of international currency.
But they wouldn't do that, would they?
They really have no choice.
And if you want to get the rest of the story about what's going on, I suggest you call up North American Trading.
I'm going to give you a free number, and without obligation, they will send you free information, and you can come to whatever conclusion you want.
The number is 1-800-877-9799.
Anybody who wants their political, excuse me, economic head in the sand, don't bother to call this number.
1-800-877-9799.
Art, the Republicans really don't understand the American people, who are considered the swing vote, of which I am one.
I personally voted in 92 to stop Feinstein and Schumer.
Now in 96, I'm facing a difficult choice.
I do not like Clinton or what he stands for, but the thought of a Republican-controlled House, Senate, and White House is frightening.
The fanatic religious right is far too prominent in the Republican Party.
I will not have anyone's religion rammed down my gullet or my children forced to pray in school.
All you have to do is count the new federal offenses that have pumped up in the last three years.
By the way, the newest of those was voted on by the Senate yesterday and the House probably in the next day or so, and that is to make burning churches a federal crime punishable by yet bigger penalties.
He says one party with so much power and questionable motives is unthinkable.
Paul in San Jose.
Well, I don't wholly disagree with that, Paul.
I'm not altogether comfortable with the religious right now and their position with the Republican Party.
I watched Ralph Reed, and I've watched Ralph Reed recently, and I'm not too comfortable with Ralph Reed.
He is going for Dole.
And it's kind of strange.
I see Mr. Reed politically assuming the compromise stance of Dole when I don't think normally Reid would do that.
So it's sort of political convenience on the part of what really is a religious organization.
And I remember when I was younger, I was not a real radical, but a lot of the radical people, I'm Hispanic, by the way, here in Denver, fought a lot for the racial rights and things like that.
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And it seemed back then that it was kind of an attitude of prejudice that I lived under here in Denver.
A lot of problems.
I think it was kind of around the country the same way.
But it's really changed now.
I have a master's degree, and I've worked my way through the system.
But it's almost the uh racism and comments about my heritage and things that I get now is more of almost these young people and people who live now think they have the right toward racism.
And it's it's it's a whole different attitude and I kind of agree that things have really changed.
And one other comment is that, you know, nowadays I see the blacks and young blacks and Hispanic Americans who are, you know, in gangs and all that, they're used to shooting each other and firing because it's the way of life for them.
And if a race war does come, I don't see, you know, the white communities firing at each other and things like that.
It's almost kind of like we're prepared for a race war.
And I'm kind of scared that if something does happen and triggers a race war, that it could really happen very easily.
So why can't, well, I mean, I don't have any problem.
I mean, one of the biggest problems in this country with the lack and the victimization and the lack of self-respect is the fact that we've gotten away from a set of good, hardcore values.
I appreciate the call, but you're going to have to get in there and fight for yourself.
That's all there is to it.
I don't know what you expect.
Nobody's going to give you anything.
The courts are rough.
Divorces and custody is rough.
And all I can say is if you, in fact, had custody, then you don't owe that child support, and it ought to be deducted from whatever she claims you owe.
Simple as that.
To the bottom of the hour with the restful Maria.
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
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Tonight, picture Coast to Coast AM from June 26, 1996.
This is the absolute truth, and I couldn't believe it.
Well, Diane, I believe it.
It reflects not only your Los Angeles area, but apparently the rest of the country as well.
People don't want to believe it.
People want to believe the polls that they want to believe in, that support their belief, and then want to dismiss the ones that they don't believe.
I've known people who own radio stations that are the same way.
I tell you, it's the truth.
When the ratings would come in that said they were, you know, high on the ratings list, number one or number two, these radio station owners would say, wonderful, look at that.
We deserve it.
And when the ratings would come in and say that hardly anybody was listening, they would say, who the hell believes these things anyway?
They're a bunch of garbage.
So people tend to grasp what supports their birth.
In fact, I had a caller earlier in the show that was a perfect example.
I didn't tell him that the NBC Wall Street Journal poll yesterday was a poll of the same people.
And I asked the guy, I said, look, we've just got a poll here.
It shows that 68% of the American people think Clinton was using these files for political advantage.
Do you believe that poll?
Oh, yes, I sure do.
I said, all right, well, here's another poll that shows that Mr. Clinton is 17 points ahead of Bob Dole.
That means when all of the child has exited the mother's uterus, but the head, they reach up with a pair of scissors and stick it in the back of the baby's head.
Now, I'm no supporter of that.
To me, that's murder.
However, I am a supporter of birth control.
And that's choice.
You know, you're choosing not to get pregnant.
I'm a big supporter of that.
And what's the biggest thing gets in the way of that?
Catholic Church.
And I'm not a supporter of that for that reason.
You know, I see nothing wrong with preventing the birth, preventing the horrible choice that inevitably, no matter what we argue about and talk about, people are going to make.
They've got a pregnancy they don't want.
A lot of them are going to turn to abortion, and you and I both know that's right.
What, to the tune of one and a half million a year?
Otherwise, in the case of rape, incest, life of the mother, sure.
Then you're talking about a life, balancing a life.
It's like a scale.
We're talking about two lives here: the life of the mother and the life of the child.
Or in the case of a woman who is raped, you're going to make her go through with a pregnancy that is going to put her in a mental institution or something?
I don't think so.
Incest, where you're going to have a child, very likely physically defective, tortured, and you're going to make this little girl go through with something that was acceded by her brother or her father?
Well, it reminded me of the hearing yesterday, frankly.
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Yeah, basically, that's true also.
I've noticed that the declination of our society, like, you know, the other night in Fresno, where I live, they had three shootings, and then the other night they had some useless stabbing, which is kind of annoying.
And just things like that just really irritate me.
Well, it's just, according to this, the first barrel missed, but the second one hit the chupacabra and it blew up into a foul-smelling mist or red gas or something.
I said the nature of alternative medicine, unregulated basically as it is, invites fraud within it, and it does.
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It's my experience that it produces some improvement for some conditions for some finite period of time, but rarely actually really cures the condition.
What we're trying to do in Eugene is establish a research project to compare naturopathy, homeopathic, Ayurvedic, allopathic, regular, straight mainstream medicine compared to a few things that actually work each time compared with diseases like Alzheimer's and autism, asthma, etc.
Well, unfortunately, what you really need are good, solid, scientific, double-blind type studies of traditional medicines, non-traditional medicines, and there ought to be a sort of a consumer's handbook of what works and what doesn't, but it would be a hell of an undertaking.
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We're hoping that the senior management of the HMOs will find themselves cut by the cost problem to the point where they're really going to take a look at this with this research.
Once anyway, I kept some change, and once I kept everything that came out of a telephone, too.
It's almost like seven and a half bucks, something like that.
Just cascaded out of the phone.
God, what a great time that was.
And then I emptied the, you know, how you pull open those little phone things, and there's a little well in there, and I emptied that out, and I put it back in and filled up again, and it just kept filling up.
It was so cool.
And I know I remember buying a hamburger and a candy bar.
Well, Arthur, I know this being right near the end of the show, it's probably a bad time to do something like this, but I just felt like, well, sooner or later I'm going to have to just jump in the pool, you know.
I've been toying with the idea for some time now of starting a serial call with you about the big picture.
Well, you know, I was thinking, I've learned a lot about electricity from your show in the last, oh, year, year and a half.
And because you have a lot of guests on that have things, you know, like with the phase array radar system up there, HARP, and, well, Sandeo's explanation of the rotating electromagnetic fields being a power source for the Earth-based UFOs.
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Yes.
And the guy, was it Bielenson or what was his name?
Well, I was just wondering, you know, most people who know a little bit about electricity and who have any souls at all have at least given passing thought to the plus-negative, good and evil connection, you know, whether there is at AC, DC, yin, and yang.
Whether, like, say, at the point of origin of the Big Bang, when science and religion were one, positive, negative, good and evil, Satan and Jesus, or, you know, God, whatever, and how that's going to play itself out.
I think that that's going to have a lot to do with things that are going to happen during the rest of the quickening, myself.