Art Bell and Willie Nelson dissect Hillary Clinton’s alleged conversations with the dead, dismissed by the White House as metaphorical amid scandals like Filegate (1,000 withheld FBI files) and Whitewater, while questioning why the ACLU hasn’t condemned her privacy violations. They debate AIDS drug costs ($25K–$75K/year), welfare reform ($1,500 annual payments), and media bias, including Willie’s critique of Clinton’s education proposal. Callers speculate on unexplained metallic fragments from New Mexico, alien time travelers mining Earth, and impeachable obstruction—Bell clarifies only 2,000 documents could reveal more scandal. The episode blends conspiracy theories with political skepticism, suggesting systemic distrust in institutions, from government to media, while underscoring the era’s unease over privacy, science, and leadership accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
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We've got a lot to talk about.
Tons and tons of stuff.
Whatever you want to dig in on suits me.
Well, everybody's talking about Hillary talking to Eleanor Roosevelt and Mahatma Gandhi.
Eleanor, who passed on 34 years ago, Mahatma Gandhi 50 years ago.
I wonder if it gets harder as more years pass.
Matter of fact, she was even going to talk to Jesus, apparently.
That was considered too personal, she said.
But Jean Houston could have done it, I guess.
She is the foundation of mind research.
Now, there is a big brouhaha going on about this.
In other words, did she really talk to these individuals, have a conversation with them, or was it all imaginary makeup kind of stuff, which is what the White House says, that they made it up so that she could get in touch with her inner self.
Somebody passed on to me a letter they wrote to the editor, Lynn, in Ogden, Utah.
Oh, great spirit of Trotsky and world socialism, whose earthly name was Eleanor Roosevelt, hear my plea and let me know your will for me.
Is this how the smartest woman in the world, Hillary Clinton, conjures up conversations and visions with a dead political soulmate and fellow socialist?
Probably so, but I'm sure I've left out some secret druid incantations and other neat stuff.
But this is only one more example of the banana republic-like state of federal government under the Clinton regime.
Unfortunately, we are burdened by an administration that sings the praises of voodoo, socialist leaders in Haiti to communist infant killers in China, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As the story goes, our co-president felt it necessary to make contact with the wife of that great socialist, Franklin, after the Democrat defeat in 94.
Depressing, I guess.
The secret conspiracy to put health care under state control had failed.
Hillary was desperate.
Life is not fair.
The continuing legacy of the New Deal might become a dead deal without spiritual inspiration from the utopian underworld, where, of course, all the good socialists and communists go.
A seance was definitely in order.
A new age spiritual advisor, quickly summoned, break out the bat wing and I of Newt.
No pund intended.
We'll probably never know how things turned out.
But I'd sort of like to know if old ER showed what she said.
Does the Communist Manifesto make sense in another dimension?
Hey, that'd be cool stuff.
This is reminiscent of a little-known story of a time when Eleanor herself became extremely confused and desperate.
Calling upon her own companion and spiritual advisor, she cried out, quote, I'm so upset lately, I can't tell if I'm coming or going.
Her spiritualist got right to work, and after much incantation and ceremony, eventually called for the first lady.
Get down on your knees, she shouted, now on all four and crawl straight toward me, and she did.
Now turn around and crawl directly away from me, and she did.
After several tries and much deliberation, the spirits finally conceded failure and in frustration screamed, this beats me.
I can't tell if you're coming or going either.
I wonder if Eleanor helped Hillary.
So, I don't know.
Maybe it was just sort of a way of Hillary trying to think, well, now, what would Eleanor have said about this, this defeat?
How do we recoup?
Or she talked to Eleanor.
I'm really not sure.
How about you?
What dead president, I mean, why go for the first lady?
If you had the opportunity, what dead president would be most valuable do you think to talk to?
And indeed, once contact was established, what is it you would say?
Who would you want to talk to?
What question would you ask of this dead president?
So I thought we'd play the dead president's game.
And who knows, one of them may come up online and say something back to us.
Ameat Press's Tim Russard asked Representative Klinger, who's doing all this good work, what are the most important questions with regard to the files?
One, who requested them?
You know, that's amazing, isn't it?
That they can't figure out who asked for all these private files?
In other words, who authorized it?
There's got to be a slip somewhere.
I mean, you just don't get FBI files for 100 plus by saying, hey, yo, send them over, will you?
Designated fall guys, Marcika, I believe his name is Marsisi, is it?
Why did the FBI just, you know, roll over and turn them over?
Well, Free said the system depended on honor, obviously casting aspersions on the White House, said that they were rolled over, that the FBI was victimized.
Did you know the FBI maintains files on 75 million Americans?
Did you know that?
How many now in America?
260 million, I think.
75 million of us have files with the FBI.
Well, I know I do.
I know I do.
Probably a fairly thick one at that.
So this is a very, very serious scandal.
William Sapphire said we have on our hands a genuine scandal, a really big story.
The White House is under assault now, of course, for Whitewater, where there were three criminal referrals last week and an unindicted co-conspirator.
Travelgate, which is going to produce later in this week a contempt of Congress citation if more documents are not produced.
Filegate.
You know, this big list, the enemies list, did you know that that was among 1,000 files that had been claimed by the president to be his prerogative to keep secret?
Did you know that?
So they finally caved in and released 1,000.
They've still got 2,000 files, and nobody knows exactly what's in them.
And they won't give them up, so we are going to have shortly a constitutional crisis on our hands.
This is very serious.
Finally, I think I would declare this to be very serious.
Now, what kind of stuff is in the files?
Physical ailments?
Your physical, you know, your records, mental troubles, drug and alcohol abuse, extramarital affairs, financial records, IRS stuff?
As a matter of fact, there are a number of rumors going around now that White House employees, some of them, bragged to people that we know some very embarrassing things about you but won't tell.
Now, there are lots of questions to be asked about this.
The White House held on to these files for two years.
So, I guess my question to you, and the President's poll numbers remain at this moment high, incredibly high.
But on this one, this Filegate business, what do you think the voters are going to say?
What will their final judgment be, the Court of Public Opinion?
Will they say our president is a president, not a pope?
What do you expect?
Leave the poor guy alone.
A simple bureaucratic error here.
Or this is not the stuff of presidents that we want of America.
And we should not allow this, and it must be stopped, and he must go.
What will the voters say about FileGate?
Perhaps without it being a personal intrusion on your privacy, you are not connected to the point that it is a big issue for you.
You might, of course, feel very differently if your file were sitting in the White House.
Now, on Sunday, another topic here, Brinkley said something that caught my attention.
He said, in Washington, referring to Filegate and Travelgate and the Whitewater scandal, he said, in Washington, The amount of power that you have depends on the number of secrets that you know.
The amount of power you have depends on the number of secrets you know.
Do you think that is true in Washington?
What do you think?
The number of secrets you know equates to the amount of power you have.
Dear Art, all weekend I heard Senator Simon N. Leahy calling for the firing of Livingstone over the FBI files.
I don't think the Clintons dare fire him.
Do you remember during your first interview with Chris Ruddy that Chris described the dark policeman going through Vince Foster's pocket, even turning them inside out at Fort Marcy Park, and no keys were found?
Then after Foster was removed to the morgue, he had two visitors from the White House who identified his body, and after these two people left, two sets of keys were found then in Foster's pockets.
Those two people were William Kennedy, formerly of the Rose law firm, and Mr. Livingstone, according to Ruddy.
As Senator Simpson says, oh, what a tangled web we weave.
Well, you know the rest.
It's faded down in Whittier.
We'll be right back.
The Supreme Court's backing a favorite tactic of law enforcement in the battle against accused drug criminals.
Accused.
The justices have reaffirmed the government's power to prosecute drug defendants on criminal charges while also seizing their property.
The court rejected the notion Monday that the simultaneous use of civil forfeiture and prosecution violates a constitutional ban against punishing a person twice for the same crime.
So maybe it's okay if you do it at the same time.
If you did it later, then there might be a problem.
As long as it is simultaneous punishment, I guess it's not considered twice.
Now, even without issuing a ruling, the Supreme Court has handed President Clinton a victory in the sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by former Arkansas State employee Paula Jones.
They're not going to consider it this term.
That means it will not come home to roost before the campaign.
The move people won their lawsuit in Philadelphia, and there'll be about $1.5 million paid out to them.
A communist presidential challenger, Gennady Zuganov, Zuganov, actually, trailing Boris Yeltsin wants a deal.
No response yet from Yeltsin.
AIDS in America.
Last week, there was big news about protease inhibitors.
And it seems now, with a combination of drugs, it is claimed that HIV can be driven back to the point that it cannot be even detected in the blood.
This is really big, expensive news.
The news on AIDS is not good.
Of 513,486 that had contracted AIDS through December of last year, 62% of that number have died already.
It is a leading cause of death for all men between 25 and 44.
It is the third leading cause of death for all women between 25 and 44.
People now, all of a sudden, thanks to these protease inhibitors and AZT, and I think there's one other drug involved, are actually able to get better.
Long term, nobody knows yet.
But we finally have something that drives HIV back.
Just one little problem here.
It's going to cost between $25 and $75,000 per year per patient to give them these drugs.
And how do we afford that?
It's under the category of just one little problem here.
Do any of you have any ideas how we do it, whether we should do it, or whether we should just turn our backs on these people?
If it is up to the taxpayer to come up with, what, $25,000 to $75,000 per year per patient, what do you taxpayers say?
Now, the alternative is obviously sure death.
And so the issue is non-trivial.
Did you know that four of five mothers having babies in Cleveland are single mothers?
Now, that's an amazing figure, isn't it?
Four out of five are having babies out of wedlock.
How many of you remember the day when a young woman, pregnant and single, went away?
She was in high school.
She was pulled out, and everybody would wonder where she went.
She was sent to a sort of relative or away to another state or whatever.
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Hey, Art, I've got an idea.
Maybe Hillary should contact Vince Foster.
I'm sure he'd have a few enlightening words for her.
Martin in Morrow Bay.
Then just one more item and we will open the lines.
In the beginning, God created heaven and earth.
Quickly, he was faced with a class action suit for failure to file an environmental impact statement.
He was granted a temporary permit for the project, but was stymied with the cease and desist order for the earthly part.
Appearing at the hearing, God was asked why he began his earthly project in the first place.
He replied that he'd just like to be creative.
Then God said, let there be light.
Officials immediately demanded to know how the light would be made.
Would there be strip mining?
What about thermal pollution?
God explained light would come from a huge ball of fire.
God was granted provisional permission to make light, assuming that no smoke would result from the ball of fire, that he would obtain a building permit and, to conserve energy, would have the light out half the time.
God agreed, said he'd call the light day and the darkness night.
Officials replied that they were not interested in semantics.
God said, let the earth bring forth green herb and as many seed.
The EPA agreed so long as native seed was used.
Then God said, let waters bring forth creeping creatures having life and the fowl that may fly over the earth.
Officials pointed out this would require approval from the Department of Game coordinated with the Heavenly Wildlife Federation and certain societies.
Well, everything was okay until God said he wanted to complete the project in six days.
Officials informed him it would take at least 200 days to review the application and the environmental impact statement.
After that, there would be a public hearing.
Then there would be 10 to 12 months before, at this point, God created hell.
Yes.
So there you have it.
I have more, but not more time, so I'll slip some of the rest of this in as we go.
Anything you would like to comment on?
Any topic you would like to bring up is just fine with me.
Linda Howe did a very, very interesting report on the Roswell parts that I have Sunday, and I'm tempted to replay that portion of it because it is so, so incredible.
It is a collage of scientists, people at Los Alamos, the nation's rare metal manufacturing companies, all saying they have no idea what we've got on our hands with this bismuth.
What do you think about, I know you said a libertarian candidate doesn't have a chance either, but do you think if you agreed with a libertarian candidate's beliefs more, you might vote for them instead of Bob Dole?
If he read a little bit further, though, it says, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, which it clearly violates.
The government is not giving the person a trial.
They're just confiscating the property.
And even say with landlords, you know, people own small apartment buildings, the government's going in, and if their tenants have drugs, confiscating the landlord's property, even though he had no knowledge of what was going on.
I keep telling people I expect to go to the post office and find some special cage with iron bars waiting for me, thrashing around, no doubt, in the back of the post office, and the guy will rush forward and hand it to me.
And inside, there is going to be, you know what, a chupacabra.
So if one shows up, if one's captured, I'm sure some demented person will send it to me.
Well, it's the first group I've heard of that is out there, I guess, now to try to keep tabs on the animal right groups and try to get out to people what they're doing.
The woman they interviewed talked about, I think she said it was 313 different acts of terrorism in this country, according to FBI files, from 77 to 93.
Many animal rights people breaking into research facilities, that kind of thing.
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Yeah, arson, I guess all types of things.
You probably talked about why the media does not link up the Unabomber with these type of left-wing animal right environmental groups like they tried to link up McFay with California.
Well, one thing that has not been publicized, for example, is that the vice president's book was among those treasured little items that Mr. Kaczynski kept close to him.
It's not just McFay, but when you find out that they have been involved in these many different other acts of violence and terrorism, it's, I guess, just another example of why we've got to turn to talk radio to get the truth.
Well, the basic argument for not legalizing drugs, sir, is simple.
We'd have a lot of druggies, people hooked on drugs, screwing up the productivity of the country, costing us billions of dollars in more medical treatment, blah, blah, blah, on it goes.
Boy, I'll tell you, it's a good thing we cannot talk to the dead, or we'd just keep them working and advising.
Einstein, think about that.
We'd be conjuring up all kinds of people for all kinds of nefarious reasons.
Now, it's probably better that the dead stay dead or at least in the plane of existence that they now reside rather than being available for consultation.
Boy, you imagine that?
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Able to consult the dead about anything?
At any rate, we're going to break here at the top of the hour, and we'll be right back.
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We're talking about, I don't know, all kinds of things.
Hillary, her talk with the dead.
Which dead president would you like to talk to?
What would you ask her?
And I say him because we've not had any females in that office yet.
The FBI files, that is a very serious story.
Very serious.
Very serious.
Of all the stories they've got right now, this holding on to files on Americans, that many of them, for two years, this has got a long way to go.
And I think if none of these other things, Whitewater, the Travelgate business, which is, you know, there may be an abuse there, I don't know.
But I'll tell you, in this FBI files business, they have got real problems.
Very serious, real problems.
Now, it has not affected polls yet.
President remains high in the polls, and maybe he's going to remain high through this, hard to believe.
But he might.
He just might.
Listen, I've got something that I want to get on the air for you, and I will explain what it is in a moment.
So get your pencils ready.
You might want to make some notes.
It is also available as of right now on my webpage, and I'll tell you all about it in a moment.
All right, I feel that I owe this to all of you.
As you may know, I received what we call arts parts, along with several letters from a man who represents these were from a crash in New Mexico, Roswell or Socorro, we don't know.
And we've been through the hoops on testing all of this stuff.
And we have come a long way, baby.
Linda Howe talked to a whole bunch of people in the rare metals industry.
She talked to people at Los Alamos.
She talked to people in all the right places.
And I've got the answers for you.
And I want you to listen very carefully to what Linda Howe has to say.
And you may have to listen carefully because some of it is a little difficult to understand.
It is turning out to be an unknown to date, which then raises even bigger questions about the so-called garden variety aluminum being used in some way that this man said.
Yep, the past two weeks I have talked to over two dozen people in universities, space research, metals manufacturing, superconductor research, and other exotic metal applications.
And tonight I'm going to share a sampling of some of those conversations beginning with a metallurgist who works with metallic microstructures at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque.
And I have been trying to identify some material that was brought to me to identify.
And I was referenced to Sandia from many people as being possibly an area that might have more information about this than I've been able to find out so far.
And I'll tell you what we've learned, and then maybe you could give me your insights.
They have two pieces that are approximately one and a half inches long by about one inch wide, and the thickness is approximately two to three millimeters because it is not perfectly even.
Then, in a scanning electron microscope EDS analysis so far, it is made up of 15 or 20 layers alternating this way.
One to two microns of what appears so far to be pure bismuth.
And the next layer is 100 to 200 microns of magnesium zinc.
And a percentage of magnesium zinc appears at this point, they're going to do some more refined analysis, to be approximately 95 to 96 percent magnesium and maybe 3 percent or so zinc.
That's why they're going to do some more analysis because they're a little puzzled.
Now, what I've just described to you are the alternating layers that make up the 2 to 3 millimeters.
Okay now, from your standpoint of working with exotic metals, what is the problem with sputtering bismuth on magnesium?
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Okay, I can't give you a definitive answer.
I've never heard of it done.
We do work with some exotic ones.
I mean we have some yttrium, neodymium magnesium and silver magnesium and no no, just for captains, for helicopters that this is stuff that we make every day.
You know, for big cases, for helicopters.
I've not ever had any bismuth come across my my desk, not ever no, never.
A Bureau OF Mines which is like an expert in in bismuth material and they may be able to help you.
This was found in New Mexico in the desert right, it's news to me.
I, I frankly would, would see if you can get in touch with a metallurgist at Sandia National Laboratories and you're asking me if I know what this is or whatever.
Yeah, I have no idea what I mean.
I could make some wild guesses, but I really don't know.
Do you know anybody who manufactures with bismuth and magnesium like this?
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I haven't had a chance to look up at, look it up yet it's.
Using bismuth in an alloy is extremely rare.
To begin with, it's it's normally considered a trans element, which is undesirable in almost any material you use.
Really, yeah it.
It destroys most steels and things like that essentially reduces their fracture toughness down to nothing.
The one thing they do seem to use it for is for super plastic research.
Super plastic research yeah, that's where you, where you have metals that you can essentially keep on put on stretching out to 200 and 300% their length, and there's a possibility not much, but there's a possibility that this is some sort of super plastic research.
That's the only place I've seen bismuth used on a regular basis.
Okay, now is there a plastic, a super plastic manufacturer?
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I could go to Most of the bismuth alloys that they don't actually use them commercially.
They're just research, so I'd have to find a university that's done some research with it.
It's usually bismuth tin, because that elongates to 400, 500%.
It's one of the most superplastic alloys around.
Elongates to 400 to 500%.
This really probably is really stretching because I don't, just looking by the thickness of the layers, I can't see how this would be involved in some sort of superplastic thing, and the magnesium zinc is still a puzzle.
And there's also, I talked to one of the guys down at Metal Matrix Composites, because this is technically a metal matrix, and he used to work for McDonald Douglas, and he guessed that there's a chance, considering where it was found, that this might have been part of a targeting drone.
The reason you might get this very strange alloy and layer composition is when they put up these targeting drones, they try to reproduce the thermal signature and the radar signature of the aircraft they're trying to imitate.
And so this might just be a materials combination that was put there because it had the right reflectivity and thermal properties.
And that is the bottom line from over two dozen conversations with people ranging from universities to research and development labs to exotic metals people to Dow Chemical.
You could see I would get two and three references to the same place so I knew that I was going around in a loop to Dow and Sandia Labs and some of the others.
So I think it's also interesting here that one of our Dreamland listeners, Elmer Frombach of Synectics Research Inc. in Seattle, Washington, sent me a book entitled The Breakthrough, The Race for the Superconductor about the work of scientists Paul Chu at the University of Houston and Robert Hazen at the Carnegie Institution of Washington's Geophysical Laboratory.
In 1988, they discovered that a combination of the elements barium, yttrium, and copper oxide created a superconductor that would conduct energy at more manageable temperatures, didn't have to go so cold.
Known as the 1,23 superconductor, because the formula is 1-ytrium, 2-barium, and 3-copper, it was considered a breakthrough toward limitless, cheap, and safe energy resources.
Well, I looked up bismuth in the books index, and there was one reference on one page in the epilogue, and this is what it said.
Dr. Chu's team, intrigued by reports from France of 22K superconductivity and an oxide of bismuth, strontium and copper, began to study chemical combinations of bismuth and copper.
Shortly thereafter, laboratories in Houston independently found superconductivity in a new oxide chemical system containing bismuth, calcium, strontium, and copper.
That mixture, they soon learned, yields a superconductor completely different from 1,23.
A new race was on to characterize the unknown bismuth-bearing superconductor and to optimize its behavior, unquote.
Well, this past week I talked with Dr. Chu about the bismuth and magnesium-zinc layered material.
His first reaction was that he did not think it was a superconductor, and he suggested the combination might work as thermoelectrical material that creates electricity from heat.
But he wants to know more, and we hope to work with him on our research.
And I will keep, I have now a whole list of people to talk with this coming week, and I am continuing to learn more and more.
And the bottom line, Art, is that this bismuth with magnesium zinc, layered as it is, as of this date, is an unknown material.
Well, first of all, I'd say that right off-handed, what the medical profession is going to be doing probably is those people that can afford to pay for it will get it.
And they will probably, the individuals that cannot afford to get it will probably not get it because if you have AIDS, it's going to be very hard to obtain an insurance policy that would cover your medicine.
Well, actually, of 513,486 that contracted AIDS through December of last year, 62% of that number are now dead.
It's a leading cause of death for all men between 25 and 44.
Third leading cause of death for all women between 25 and 44.
Now they've got these new drugs, protease inhibitors, which, along with AZT and one other drug, are actually driving AIDS in the blood down to undetectable levels.
In other words, people are getting better.
So the next question is, how do we afford this?
Assuming that we've got a drug that keeps AIDS at bay, at best, and keeps somebody healthy, $25,000 to $75,000 a year per patient.
Where do we get the money?
Do we spend the money?
Can we afford it?
It's all you, the taxpayers.
It's kind of like asking if they found a cure for cancer, or not a cure is a wrong word.
If they found a way to keep cancer in an arrested condition, which is essentially what they're doing here with AIDS, would we as taxpayers be willing to foot the bill or heart disease or anything else that will kill you left to progress to its natural end?
And I was thinking, if you have a molten mass like in a cauldron and you have one big ice of all the water in the universe come at it and hit it, when you drop water in something that's molten, it explodes.
And when it explodes, it goes in every which direction.
So that might be the reason why the planet's around.
Yes okay, it had some voodoo dolls on there in the likeness of Bob Dole really yeah, with pins on it with instructions on how to stick them, where to stick them.
With heart disease and brain and cancer and stuff like that, you mean to give Bob Dole some fatal disease?
Well, I wanted the Antichrist line, but I'll I'll have to do with this.
You'll have to make do yes uh, Rickmeister Gerhardt, conservative in California.
Actually any line you use could be called that yes and uh I. You know it's not what I called about, but I will say, since it has come up, that the war on drugs is nothing less than a war on American civil liberties period.
Now I feel that, since we are no longer being eaten by lions and tigers and bears and other predators, that if people wish to commit suicide by using stupid things like heroin and cocaine, I feel that the human genetic pool is better served that these stupid people commit suicide.
We would have far fewer liberals, for instance.
But I know that Houston is online as I speak.
So I'd like to send a shout out to the so-called Christian identity types like Jeff and Houston who are listening.
Jeff, you're a culturally confused white boy.
On one hand, you bad-mouth Jews up, down, and sideways, but on the other hand, you buy, lockstock, and barrel, the Bible, which is a book of Jewish mythology, and you worship this phony Yahweh, which is the God of the ancient Jews.
All right, well, you know, why don't you let people worship whoever they want?
I don't have a problem with that.
If you want to worship $100 bills, even the new ugly ones, go do it.
I don't care.
Your religion, your faith, that's your business.
And I wouldn't endeavor to do what this man just did, no doubt, under the influence of the leaf.
Taking a blast at somebody's faith.
You know, I'm sick of it.
I'm sick of hearing people like this on the air.
However weird it may be, a person's faith is their faith.
And I don't want to sit here and argue about it.
It's dumb.
It's a waste of time.
It's like racism.
First time call our line, you're on the air.
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All right, I got a quick comment and question.
You can answer them both off the air if there's space for time there.
First, are you going to ever soon have again that program about science with those guests that knew a lot about science, that deep stuff, and also comments about the presidents and psychics?
If I could talk to them, I'd want to talk to Herbert Hoover and say, why did you starve the United States but feed the Russians and get fat yourself while you were in office?
Did you have a hard time with a caller that tried to depict the guy who was having a hard time with Jewish people because his belief response to that was.
Yeah, he was talking about somebody else's belief system.
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Well, I was recently in Nevada, and I was at the hospital at Washington.
My son was in a coma.
And while I was there, there was a collective family members, about 20 of them, that were holding a vigil in the lobby, and they were all dressed in black.
And that's the point, among others, that I thought, well, I would, this is a good reason why I want drugs legalized.
It's because of the mafia.
There's a real good reason, and there's so many others.
We're all victims of this situation.
You've had guys on that you've talked to before about this.
The only people that are victims are the people who use drugs.
And you can't blame that on the mafia.
You can't blame that on the president.
You can't blame that on the government.
You can only blame that on yourself.
Now, insofar as his criticism of the so-called Christian identity movement was concerned, fine.
I too find it a bit of a reach To imagine that anybody could be a white supremacist and support that belief with underlying racism and that racist belief rather with Christian principles.
That is ludicrous.
But then he went on to criticize certain beliefs in Yahweh and all the rest of it.
And that's where I start to get angry.
I don't care what people believe.
I really don't.
As far as their faith is concerned, that's their business.
That's your business.
It's not mine.
It's not the government's.
And he should spend less time worrying about his own little hatreds.
Yes, I wanted to call about the Big Bang and why the planets are round.
Okay.
The reason the planets are round is because they're so large.
The larger something is, the more mass it has, and that draws all the pieces of the planet, whether they're gas or hard particles like the Earth, into a ball.
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Some of your guests are, well, like you like to say, a little weird or don't quite fit in the box, but some of the scientific endeavors that you get into really excite me to listen to them.
But I've got it in me, and it's beginning to take shape.
I don't want to talk about it yet, but I've got a good idea.
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They say once you get the idea, if you don't sit down and get right to it, then it kind of drifts away and you don't feel like getting down and trying to pull it back out of your mind again.
So maybe that would be next week's endeavors or whatever.
But I do enjoy listening to your show.
I work at nights.
I drive truck at night and I listen to you as much as I can come to 1110 KFAB.
It talks about when in the first one, it talks about when a comet comes overhead, there's thirst, famine, blood, of man and beast laying waste most dread.
Well, as I said, I think more appropriate it would have been Richard Nixon because he could advise her in this particular moment in time what not to do.
Now, there was a time when Richard Nixon could have burned the Watergate tapes.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah, maybe if he would have, you know, talked to Attila the Hunt or something.
But I was kind of thinking that, you know, in this hotline deal, that, I don't know, it could just go in so many directions and basically could have an endless stream of guests on your show.
You know, for a woman who's so self-confident and so smart, I'm really surprised how when she gets in front of grand juries, she tends to forget a lot of things, and now she's apparently doesn't have as much self-confidence as she I thought, and she needs to consult with people like Eleanor Roosevelt.
Known to affect brain cells nearly instantaneously.
As you turn around and face a grand jury, you know, all the information goes out of your head, and you cannot recall.
That is the key operative phrase.
If you don't want to say something, you just say, I don't recall.
And if you don't recall, well, you really can't be charged for something you don't recall.
And if you don't recall it, then you can't describe it, and you later cannot be shown to be having been untruthful, which would, of course, land you in jail.
So forgetfulness is a common disease in front of any jury.
And the reason I wanted to talk to you is because I had heard you asking why it is that the polls don't show Clinton going down because of the things that he's doing.
And the reason I think is I could give you an analogy.
If you had a job on your network and your boss was playing around with other women and it turned out he was a little bit dishonest, but you were desperate to keep your job, you might turn the other way.
A lot of Americans are feeling economically desperate.
Welfare people, people on Medi-Cal, people who need certain programs.
And they've noticed that Clinton supports these programs and gives them the money they need.
And they notice that the Republicans are talking about not giving it to them.
probably would prefer to keep your job if you didn't have another job immediately available.
In other words, you talk an awful lot about all the immorality, but you don't talk about the economic hardship that the average American is going through now and the desperation he's in over it.
Well, then, you haven't driven down to the right areas.
Come on, give me a break.
There have always been homeless.
Are there markedly more homeless right now than ever before?
Per capita?
I don't think so.
Is it rough out there?
Yes, it is rough out there.
Is it the Great Depression?
No way.
No way.
Look at any economic statistic you want to.
I accept the debt.
Now, that's a separate story.
But I mean, in terms of the current condition of the economy, whether you want to look at unemployment or the performance of the stock market or business inventories or demand or national sales figures,
retail sales or home sales or whatever measure of the economy you want to use right now, you might argue that it's rough and that there is some downsizing going on, but the economy is also creating jobs.
So it may be rough out there, but this is no Great Depression.
And you sounded like you should be old enough to remember what a real recession or depression really is like.
Well, we would have to go back and conduct A genuinely massive breeding program for dinosaurs prior to the KT event so that when it came smashing down, we had more oil.
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Yeah, exactly.
Just somehow massively produced.
I like it.
And, you know, I mean, it could be humans.
It could be some plant in the rainforest that is so important to them that they come back in time to get it.
I mean, using your own hypothetical situation, maybe we are, as we just suggested the dinosaurs would be, being bred right now as nothing more than a future source of petroleum products.
I made a bet with my friends that I can ask you any question that you couldn't answer since you've been like the guy that's been known to answer questions.
Well, when we saw these hovering over our tower, our little building up there on the courthouse, why, we knew we had to report them, but I didn't want to because I thought people think I'm crazy.
And the poor guys from Hamilton probably came screaming out at about mach one or a little better, a little under, and uh didn't even have a chance of catching them.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi Art yes, how are you doing?
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Okay, I can't believe I got through uh.
A couple comments here.
The uh lady that called in about the uh homeless people and how great the numbers are.
Yes uh, Eight Mile Road in Detroit.
Attacking the Drug Problem00:02:51
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I drop, I get all over the place.
There are people standing on Eight Mile road holding signs up, homeless need help, right across the street.
Just seven, eight bucks an hour.
All kinds of jobs.
You know the people don't want to work, they choose.
The other point about the drugs in America, uh, I am a very anti-drug person, but they need to legalize it because the system we have is a major failure.
Uh, we've spent billions of dollars and the drug problem is worse now than ever.
In my opinion, if we're going to wage a war on drugs, then we should really do it.
We should go after every aspect of the drug problem.
We should have people in South America uh laying waste to the fields that produce the uh crops that produce the drugs.
It's a national security issue we should be interdicting in in a way we've never done before.
We should be careful.
We don't want to shoot down dentists, but uh anybody else.
We should take out uh at the street level.
We should do everything uh within our power.
Uh, perhaps uh not attacking the users uh, because you there are too many of them but attacking the supply lines, Attacking the manufacturer.
We should be interdicting like crazy.
There's all kinds of things we could really be doing to continue and prosecute a real war on drugs.
Now, I know as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply, and they'll figure out how to get some sort of supply here.
But if we ever made a serious effort, which I don't expect we're going to do under this president, to do something about drugs, we really could get it done.
But like anything else, I believe that in nature, there are cycles, and different species have problems.
Now, there have already been some cases of bees that have literally fought back and cut the heads off of the mites.
And this has the beekeepers all over the world scrambling.
This is somewhere, I believe, in the United States to find out why this is occurring.
In other words, they're becoming somewhat resistant.
So, as far as I'm concerned, I think it's only a matter of time until they develop something, maybe a stronger strain of bee, and that could fight back against this.
And eventually, just like you see in many areas where turkeys and deer and other animals are.
But apparently she did not learn the lessons of Watergate that well.
Because the way everything's unfolding around the White House right now, and she's square in the middle of it, maybe we are destined, maybe that's karma.
Now, the First Lady likes New Age kind of stuff.
Maybe there's a karmic answer to what's occurring to the White House right now with Filegate and all the rest of it, Whitewater, but mostly Filegate.
Maybe there is a karmic answer to this.
She did indeed work on a legal staff that had involvement with the whole Watergate business, and now she is destined, karmically, to relive it from the other end.
And something else that I was wondering, too, If you look at all the major events that we had, like the earthquakes we had in Hong Kong a couple years back here, stuff like that, every time, for some reason, every time what something like that happens, there's always been sightings in the sky of a cluster of approximately ten lights.
They keep showing up.
And some people theorize and believe, you know, well, okay, could this be something that is, you know, like they know what's going to happen and they show up to watch it.
Or do you think that actually they could be, in fact, causing it?
And they're, you know, in fact, watching to see how we as humans react and how we, you know, how we make up after something like that happens.
And it involved people traveling back in time just to be tourists when a disaster would occur.
That movie included a, as I recall, included some people that were touring a little town where an asteroid meteor was going to plow in and destroy part of the town.
And they just traveled back and they had a, you know, they came from a perfect world where nothing ever went wrong.
Nothing ever went wrong.
And so to get their kicks, they had to do more than travel Route 66.
Well, I've got a question that no one else seems to be able to answer.
And you're going to think I'm an imbecile for asking this.
But, you know, in the theme song to the Flintstones, the line that goes after the one that says, let's ride with the family down the street, and blah, blah, blah.
Go into a bookstore as I've heard them talking about now all day long on TV and during the news because of the Hillary Clinton business.
And you will find, I believe it was Cokie Roberts who said over the weekend that you go into any bookstore and there will be acres of books on this kind of thing.
I'm, you know, I actually had the radio off for a bit, so I don't really know what you've been talking about recently, but I want to say that I think that television is the most dangerous drug out there.
This is Jake calling from the New Desert of America in the Mid-South Plains.
Yes, sir.
I'm in Oklahoma.
I wanted to talk to you.
I remember something Major Dane said about we would have the technology to deal with certain catastrophes that would be bestowed upon us.
Yes.
And you know, we've talked a lot about water, and I can tell you in agricultural circles right now, in these big irrigation circles that we use out here, they will run sometimes up to 1,200 to 1,500 gallons of water a minute through the systems.
And we already have engineered systems that can take that down to 200 gallons a minute with just and of course the big thing is cost, but with any kind of agricultural enterprise, you're always going to have cost as a factor.
And over the long term, if you'll average out the cost of pumping that water from 300 feet down, it sure does equal out.
And most states have already implemented flow meters on their irrigation wells.
And so it's being dealt with.
And yes, the aquifer is dropping.
And yes, rainfall, even though we've received some relieving rains, we're still way, way behind for the year.
But we have the technology to deal with it if people will just embrace it and accept the fact that we've got to start living a little differently.
I don't think that the tapping of very deep aquifers, 300 feet and more down, would be but a stopgap measure.
If there really was a change.
That, in other words, man's attempt to keep the Midwest from turning into a desert, would absolutely fail in my opinion, absolutely fail.
If it is going to change, if the nature of the climate across the Midwest farm belt is going to change, then I assure you trying to pump from deep, deep aquifers is not going to save us.
I assure you those levels would quickly fall and, at any rate, without rainfall to bolster them, they would.
Yes, we hear an awful lot about the, the media bias, but I'm equally concerned about what I call media bypass or disconnect, and the current bone of contention is the, the president's recent introduction of an entire, entirely new entitlement in the way of guaranteed two additional years of education for all high school graduates.
Yes, I have heard nobody even pause to mention to him when he said he wants 14 years of public education that we ought.
When you count the kindergarten and Head Start, we already have 14.
Well, you haven't even heard very much comment about his recommendation for two years of college for people who maintain a certain grade point average.
And the reason is because the American people know it's baloney in the first place, and it's not going to happen.
Well, but there's an awful hard point in there, too, about the whole concept, because he's mentioned that they'll get $1,500 per year, but that is only the tip of the iceberg.
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He talked about how he'd finance that, but he hasn't.
And I just want to say that the more I listen to you, the more respect I get I have for you because, like, you said earlier in your program tonight, you present both sides of the issue and let the listener decide, and that's respectable.
Well, and uh that sounds like a psychological addiction.
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Yeah, and it is I've seen it affect quite a few people.
And um also this uh thing about scientists, they they went and say that oh the whole our whole whole solar system was you know made in so many thousands of years, you know, the Big Bang, all that stuff.
I doubt that he'll say anything negative of her because he said in his discussion with Richard Haugland that he was a close personal friend, and I think that he has a very high opinion of her.
They're more worried about what's going on in their own neighborhood rather than lying Republicans or lying Democrats having their files seen by the voters.
I'm not in any way down on formal education because it is important if you can absorb it and if you want it.
However, if I seem able to respond to a number of diverse topics, it is from my life experience.
And it is my experience that those, and I will not name names, but I could, those people I know that have gone on to get masters or doctorates and have spent their entire adult life in an academic atmosphere sometimes come out total social cripples.
There is something about the refined academic atmosphere that does something to somebody if they spend too much time in it.
For a while he tried strawberries, but what he found out is when you were shipping into warmer climates, there was no reasonable way to keep them cool enough to keep them fresh.
And if the president invoked executive privilege on those thousand documents, he had to have read those documents in order to have made that decision of establishing executive privilege on those.
But my thing is, I think they have enough on him now because the simple fact is the 1,000 documents that he has given up, he did not have the right to throw executive privilege on those, and he knew what was inside of those documents.
Therefore, he was in violation of obstruction of justice.
And I think that they are not going to give them up.
I think the White House is going to hold on to its claim of executive privilege with regard to these next 2,000 documents.
But we'll see.
It may be at the very last moment they'll turn them over, and it may be that the scandal we've got right now with this Filegate business is but the tip of the iceberg.
The way I feel, I mean, the reason Colin Powell won't run, he don't want to run, he don't want to run with a loser, you know.
And the way I feel, you know, everything that's being said about Clinton and Hilder is people are just the Republican Party is just trying to destroy him so bad that they're destroying themselves.
Anything's possible, but I think there was a very careful record, according to the Secret Service, of the files called up during the Bush administration, and they numbered about half of the current number of requests made by the Clinton administration, as a matter of fact.
I recorded about one half an hour of it and ran out of tape, and I play it back once in a while.
One other thing I would like to talk about is the gentleman's talking about bringing water up and kind of irrigating what this gentleman was mentioning about the winds touching down and taking the dust and dirt off the face of the earth.
I kind of agree with you.
I don't think it's going to be a very rational or feasible thing.
This is Al in Honolulu, by the way.
Yes.
listen to you regularly out here and I heard one gentleman talking about the television and it's been about a year and I've done away with it completely I'll be do you get the shakes I'm on the wagon like crazy every time I listen to the show.
But listen, I don't want to tell you up too much.
I just wanted to say hi and just find out how mom was.
I heard how the kitty's doing, but I hadn't heard much about mom since.
If Mother Nature decides whether it comes out the way Major Dame suggested or not to turn our farm belt into a desert, my position was that I think going down to a deep aquifer and trying to pump water up to sustain the land as the rain normally would have will be a futile effort.
Hi, I just want to say thank you for all the informative stuff that I get to listen to.
Get a little nervous there, but I just wanted to mention that and hope everything gets to be okay with the more information you turn out to give to us.