Art Bell’s late-night show features Roger Morris, author of Partners in Power, exposing Bill and Hillary Clinton’s ties to Arkansas corruption—$2B budgets, 2,000 crony appointments, and alleged cocaine cover-ups despite Clinton’s "war on drugs" leadership. Callers debate scandals like Whitewater, marijuana decriminalization, and Soviet-era ELF experiments (HAARP, Tesla coils), while Morris dismisses Clinton’s foreign policy as conventional luck amid crises like North Korea and Bosnia. The episode frames the White House as a dysfunctional system, with Bell’s unfiltered callers—from conspiracy theories to political rage—underscoring public distrust in 1996’s election chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is Coast to Coast A.M. Good morning, I'm Art Bell.
From last night's show, I got a call from Graham Hancock doing his American tour from Britain tonight, about an hour ago, on a plane to Dallas on his way down to Dallas.
Let me tell you where he's going to be, all right?
Monday, June 24th, he'll be at the Phoenix Bookstore, 1514 5th Street in Santa Monica, California from 7 to 8.30, Graham Hancock.
That's Los Angeles.
I'll give you some of his other dates later.
Tomorrow night, we're going to talk a little bit about Russia with Luba Brezhnev, who is Lynette Drezhnev's niece.
She's got a lot to tell us about what's going on with the elections and what to expect in Russia.
And I'm looking forward to that because, as you know, I'm headed off to Russia the very first of August, right around the 1st of August.
So I'm going to be listening very carefully.
Coming up in a moment, the man who's written the newest book about the Clintons.
It's called Partners in Power, Roger Morris, and I'll tell you more about it and the big news of the day, which happens to be about the Clintons and Whitewater in a moment.
Well, okay.
First, the news of the day, because it relates the rising tide of whitewater tonight reaches all the way into the inner sanctum of the White House.
One of President Clinton's closest political friends, Bruce Lindsay, is apparently going to be named an unindicted co-conspirator.
It involves campaign loans during the time that Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas.
Lindsay, it seems, handled many of those loans.
He's so close to the Prez that there are nearly no decisions made by our president without him.
So naming Lindsay will allow the special prosecutor to call him as a witness in the trial of two Arkansas bankers, Herbert Branscombe and Robert Hill.
They are respectively charged with illegally funneling money into Mr. Clinton's 1990 campaign for governor from the Perry County Bank.
Now, it's been charged that Lindsay told the bankers, don't worry, don't report this withdrawal to the IRS in an effort to hide the contribution.
So it is another big scandal for the White House at a time they don't need it.
The last person to be named as an unindicted co-conspirator at the White House was Richard Nixon.
Now, a White House source says it's a cheap political trick that calls into question the integrity of independent counsel Kenneth Starr.
That has echoes from the past as well.
They're beginning to question the integrity of the special counsel.
Officials are worried that Lindsay could still be indicted himself for possible perjury or obstruction of justice by the day this gets closer to the president than the FBI files.
The White House staffer charged with ordering them up has been put on, as you know, paid leave, Craig Livingston.
And that's going to be, no doubt, a big investigation.
Meanwhile, the administration engaged in big-time damage control on this issue with regard to those 400 FBI files.
Somehow, you recall, ended up at the White House for innocent review, no doubt.
A veteran Army counterintelligence specialist, Charles Easley, is going to take over the job of personnel security there.
What do you think, folks?
A simple administrative error by low-level military types or basically your political witch hunt.
Now comes Roger Morris, born in Kansas City.
In 1938, he holds a Ph.D. in government from Harvard, served in the Foreign Service on the White House staff and on the staff of the National Security Council under both Presidents Johnson and Nixon until resigning over the invasion of Cambodia.
He was also an advisor on both foreign and domestic affairs in the U.S. Senate, director of policy studies at the Carnegie Endowment, before turning full-time to writing in 1974, and writing he has done.
The latest book on the Clintons.
Just as we go to him, let me read you what the New York Post, June 18th, said about his book.
Roger Morris's partners in power, the Clintons in their America, is just out from Holt Books.
And if this is a preview of what is to come, then this new round of Clintonians is going to make such relatively benign efforts as Primary Colors and Bloodsport look like updated versions of Rebecca of Sonny Farm based on Mr. Morris's own investigations, as well as on material that has already appeared elsewhere, including the American Spectator.
Partners in Power goes further than anything yet published in the nailing of the Clintons, both of them as shameless crooks, liars, and impostors in every aspect of their personal and political lives.
Morris is a newcomer to the expanding ranks of Clinton chroniclers.
He is a member of the National Security Council.
We already did all of that.
And so, as a matter of fact, here he is right now, Roger Morris.
I'm not sure that's true, but my book is quite different from Primary Colors or from Bloodsport, any of the earlier books about the Clintons.
This is a dual biography of the first lady and of the president from the very beginning back to their childhoods and tracing it forward to the making of their dual presidency, really, and up to the moment of their inauguration in 1993.
Well, I think they're, of course, products of their time and of their place.
Bill Clinton was very much the product of Arkansas in the 1940s and 50s.
He styles himself as being from Hope, the little town in southwestern Arkansas, but he left there at the age of four.
He really is a product of Hot Springs.
And Hot Springs, as you know, was not just any hometown of any president.
It was a small capital of organized crime, a center of vice and corruption, rather extraordinary town that was run by criminal elements whose politics were wild and woolly and thoroughly corrupt.
It was in that atmosphere that Bill Clinton grew up.
Those were the politics he cut his teeth on.
And as the book shows, what's extraordinary is that members of the Clinton family, his uncle, Uncle Raymond Clinton, his father, friends of the family, a man named Gabe Crawford and others, were linked to organized crime.
They ran slot machines and bookie operations out of their businesses, and they were very instrumental in launching young Bill Clinton on his political career in the mid-1970s.
So this is a very seamy and in some ways shrouded past for a president.
At one time in the early 1950s, Hot Springs, though gambling was illegal there, grossed more money from gambling than Las Vegas, Nevada, where it was legal.
And it was only after a crackdown in the mid-1960s that that ceased to be the case.
And many of the gangsters, many of the elements, criminal elements who have been running Hot Springs moved to your hometown, as you know.
Well, look, as we look at what's going on with Ms. Clinton right now, and there are very serious problems, as you heard me in the open suggest, cropping up for the Clintons.
With what we know about Bill Clinton and his past and how he was brought up, and for that matter, Hillary, what does that tell us about how he's going to handle these things?
Well, I think we have a seriously flawed president and first lady in terms of character and ethics.
My book really traces the evolution of their corruption and compromise, their political career, and it's a career built upon dissimulation and to a large extent their own personal corruption.
Think they're going to handle this unfolding crisis, which seems to grow worse every day, in much the same way they handled past crises in Arkansas by evasion and by trying to move around, hoping that these problems will go away, and by, I think, eventually sacrificing underlings to the legal process.
Of course, the problem with that, as Richard Nixon and others have discovered, is that sooner or later, people who are knowledgeable about what you've done begin to talk to the prosecutors, cut their own deals, and that's when you began to get in trouble.
Yes, they do, and they begin to talk to the press.
They begin to realize that their interests may not be the same as the Clinton's interests.
We haven't really reached that stage yet in this scandal.
The White House has held amazingly firm.
They've been quite united.
They've circled the wagons.
But this action today, naming Bruce Lindsay as an unindicted co-conspirator, as you quite rightly pointed out, brings the Whitewater trials right to the door of the presidential bedroom.
Well, my sense is that it will bear a striking parallel to what happened to Richard Nixon.
I think that the special prosecutor Kenneth Starr is proceeding in a very methodical and deliberate way.
I don't think he's guided by any political calendar.
I don't think he's running for the Supreme Court or any of the charges that have been made against him.
I think he's doing a very thorough and professional job as a prosecutor, much as Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski, the Widergate prosecutors, did.
I don't think that we're going to see decisive actions before the election.
In fact, my view is that it's quite possible President Clinton will be re-elected over Bob Dole, and that we will see almost as soon as he's inaugurated for his second term the beginning of a constitutional crisis, the slow undoing of that administration in light of what the special prosecutor is uncovering in Arkansas.
I think the only person that can beat Bill Clinton is Bill Clinton.
And he's doing quite well at it at the moment.
Now, this statement, Roger, is kind of chilling.
A White House source says, referring to the special independent prosecutor, it's a cheap political trick that calls into question the integrity of the independent counsel Kenneth Starr.
Well, it is, and it's typical of this White House.
They don't deal with the issues.
They don't discuss the substance.
They attack the individuals ad hominem.
They try to smear and slur the people.
And the facts here in this trial about to unfold in Little Rock are quite plain.
There was this bank loan from the Perry County Bank.
It was done in explicit return for the appointment of Branscombe to become a state highway commissioner in Arkansas, which, as someone told me, is next to God in that state, a very powerful position with contract kickbacks and all the rest.
Bruce Lindsay was the bagman for the 1990 campaign, as he had been for other campaigns.
He was Clinton's closest associate.
He was his traveling partner.
He knew where most of the bodies were buried and I think was responsible for some of that.
So he is indeed an intimate aide, and to name him as an unindicted co-conspirator is to come, as you said, very close to the president, as close as you can get.
Has President Clinton, and for that matter, the First Lady, done anything that would be out of character for anybody who would rise to the top of the political world in Arkansas and then go to the White House?
Well, you know, the book is really a chronicle of that tragedy.
In many respects, of course, they were just like all the others.
And that's a tragic tale in itself.
They pretended to be something else, but they were as corrupt not only as the rest of the politicians in Arkansas, but as indeed, as you know, politicians all over this country.
The book really makes, I think, a strong case for saying that we're at the dead end of this political system at the end of the 20th century and that we need massive reform involving both parties, not just the Democrats, but the Republicans as well.
But the Clintons had lots and lots of opportunity to be something else.
Bill Clinton was an extraordinary, effective, and popular politician in Arkansas.
He was a young and dynamic leader.
He had a lot of loyalty, a lot of earnest support from young people in that state when he started off.
He might have challenged the old system.
He might have taken on the vested interests that had tyrannized that state economically and politically for so long.
He might have built a different kind of politics, a different political party.
Instead, he chose to cast his lot with the old system, the good old boy system that was so corrupt.
And in doing so, he's brought, of course, all those ghosts with him to the White House.
There was a videotape out that I know you're familiar with called the Clinton Chronicles.
Now, I didn't buy a lot of it.
I didn't buy the allegations of murder.
I didn't necessarily buy those of drug dealing.
I thought they were unsubstantiated.
But the Clinton Chronicles did chronicle the cronyism in the Clinton administration as governor, certainly as governor, and then continuing into the White House.
I thought it did that very well indeed.
There was nothing but, wasn't there, cronyism constantly in Arkansas.
It was an accurate depiction of the politics in Arkansas.
There was a Clinton machine.
By the end of his tenure there, 12 years in the governorship, he had appointed over 2,000 officials to various boards and commissions.
They were administering in different ways a budget of over $2 billion, special fixes and favors for all sorts of Clinton backers, lots of state business for bond brokerage houses and for law firms like Hillary Rodham Clinton's Rose firm.
It was a closed system of cronyism and of special interest favors that was among the worst in the country.
I've been saying for the last year and a half that I thought all of this was going to land pretty much squarely on the first lady's doorstep and that she could be in big trouble, even obstruction of justice somewhere down the line.
And were that to occur, if that occurred despite their best efforts, what would President Clinton do?
Well, I know there are predictions that he would resign or that this would really be the end of his candidacy.
I'm not so sure.
Frankly, the Clintons have a long history of battling these things out.
Whenever she's been under fire, legal fire, fire for conflicts of interest or whatever, certainly in Arkansas and also in these first three and a half years in the White House, Clinton has rallied to her side.
He's been, I think, fairly brazen in trying to weather these storms.
I'm not at all certain that he would leave the battlefield.
I think he might make a campaign issue out of it, might try to say that his wife is being persecuted because she was a woman or for partisan reasons or whatever.
The Clintons are not known for giving up, as you know.
He survived scandal in the 1992 campaign, and he's done so fairly successfully thus far in this administration.
Well, I think he has at least nine lives, and I'm not sure we're seeing some of those being spent right now, but this is a, as a headline in a recent British publication put it, this is a hard dog to get off the porch.
Well, you know, that's being said in various radio programs about this book.
I think Rush Limbaugh and others have used that term.
I think there's no question that both the Clintons have been guilty of legal wrongdoing in Arkansas and elsewhere.
You know, this latest trial in Little Rock leading to the conviction of Governor Jim Guy Tucker and the McDougall, Susan and Jim McDougall, really made very plain that the Clintons are guilty of at least two offenses.
They benefited directly and personally from fraudulently obtained federal money.
And if they knowingly did that, that's a federal offense.
And, of course, they had their mortgage, their debt paid on Whitewater estates by federally insured funds from a savings and loan, which, again, may have involved fraud, may have involved also their taking tax deductions to which they were not entitled.
Those are very serious charges that I know the special prosecutor is looking at.
This is no longer a matter of speculation or abstraction.
These are very serious charges, and they, I think, are among the most serious ever made against a sitting president.
Well, we know that the paper trail is extremely difficult to follow.
That there are a lot of missing documents, a lot of shredded documents.
That's been the pattern, of course, with this White House, the Rose firm, billing records, and all the rest that appear and disappear and appear again mysteriously.
I think the Clintons have tried to erase much of the record, but I think at the same time, the special prosecutor has done an amazing job at reconstructing it.
So if I were the president's defense lawyers at this point, I'd be very worried about those documents that still exist.
Well, if you were to resign from office, and especially with any agreement that your successor, Vice President Al Gore, would pardon you in the event of any pursuing indictments, you would, I think, as in the case of Richard Nixon, put an end to the investigation.
We don't know the whole story of Watergate because with the president's resignation, that investigation was effectively stopped.
And the Clintons could do that.
But that's an awful price to pay historically.
It really is, in many respects, an admission of guilt.
I don't see them ready by any means to do that yet.
The settlement purportedly would include statements by Clinton that he did meet with Paula Jones, a retraction of his statement in The Spectator, and payment of Paula's legal expenses.
Now, I'm not sure if this story has legs or not, but if it's true, would you be surprised?
I think that's virtually an admission that her charges were correct.
If he agrees here to a kind of financial settlement, as you describe it, to pay her legal fees or whatever, and what amounts to an apology to the remarks that he made to the American Spectator about her, you know, the Paula Jones case is one of so many that have haunted this president out of Arkansas.
There are now over 20 women, as my book describes, who have come forward telling tales of having sexual encounters with Bill Clinton.
And I think the Paula Jones case is a very sad one of exploitation and abuse of power.
He was in that situation not because he was just any man, but he was there because he was the governor, the chief executive officer of the state.
She was a state employee.
And that happened again and again, as my book describes.
It began with, as you may remember, Senator Gary Hart's scandal in 1987.
He was running for president in 88, four years earlier, and had a sex scandal which drove him out of the race.
The Clintons looked at that episode and decided how they would handle it if it erupted in their bid for the presidency, as it did in 1992 with Jennifer Flowers.
That was a very contrived appearance at 60 Minutes, and it was quite successful.
But I think the issue here is not so much personal morality, which I think most Americans are willing to excuse in an American president, as the abuse of power, the exploitation of state troopers and others to act as guards at these trysts and vertical procurers of young women, the abuse of his office as governor.
He swept into county fairs and fate conventions and so on and had these conquests, as it were, not just, as I said, another man, but as the governor, as the government itself, Roger, what do you know about the Clintons' personal relationship?
It's an extraordinarily complex relationship, and my book really traces it from its beginning, from their meeting at Yale Law School, their courtship, the early years of the marriage, and on through the years in the governorship in Little Rock.
It's, I think, in many respects, one of the most fascinating relationships in the history of modern American politics.
A mix of expedience and opportunism, certainly, on one hand.
On the other hand, I think genuine affection.
He is unimaginable in the White House without her.
I think she was indispensable to his political career, and obviously he was very important to her rise to power as well in this dual presidency.
So that it's a very complicated love-hate relationship, not unlike a lot of marriages, except this one, of course, happens to be played out against the backdrop of national politics and enormous power.
You know, that's an often missed point, I think, in the reporting about Hillary Rodham Clinton.
She was so highly regarded.
So much was expected of her.
But the pattern, as my book shows, in Arkansas, was that she was given responsibility like that, like the health reform task force, again and again, and it usually issued in failure and even in political disaster.
She was by no means adept politically.
She was often an embarrassment.
But at the same time, she was a disciplining force, a stiffening factor for Bill Clinton, much more an adult, I would say, than he was in both their personal and in their political lives.
Is there any turning back or covering up now for the president, or is it inevitable that perhaps shortly into the second term, as you predicted, all of this is going to come tumbling down?
I think she has to face legal accountability for what she did as a Rose lawyer, what she said in the White House as First Lady, trying to evade, and in many respects, I think, falsified his record.
She is looking at serious legal charges, and I think inevitably he will, too.
We're not only talking about white water and improprieties with his savings and loan.
We're talking about shady campaign contributions, as this latest trial will show.
We're talking about vote fraud.
We're talking about potential bribery and corruption issues that go far beyond anything we've been talking about so far.
Well, I'm not a psychohistorian, and I don't have a license to practice psychotherapy, so I won't draw any conclusions about this.
As an historian and an investigative journalist, I can tell you that it was an abused childhood, severely abused emotionally and physically.
In fact, he and his younger brother, Roger, were often taken to pediatricians or to the emergency rooms of hospitals in Hot Springs because of the beatings they received from this alcoholic stepfather.
And their mother, Virginia Clinton, really tried to cover all of this up, tried to have those records expunged, and was generally successful in doing so.
It was a scandal that was kept behind closed doors in the 1940s and 50s in Hot Springs.
I interviewed people who lived next door or across the street.
Often their closest neighbors didn't know that the police were called in the middle of the night or that there were beatings of the children or beatings of the mother.
But young Bill Clinton, from almost the moment he was four or five on, witnessed brutality against his mother, shouting matches in the middle of the night.
He can say anything, do anything, seemingly lie with a smile at just a moment's notice, almost like he makes it up as he goes along.
And at the top of page 50, your book, The Hot Springs chapter, like many other children of alcoholics, he learned, quote, to lie automatically, end quote, as one observer put it, without any sense of guilt.
And that observer was a psychotherapist that I consulted in looking at all of this.
There are patterns, of course, of children of alcoholics, children of dysfunctional families like this, and the president, I think, reflects much of that.
But it's a very sad story.
It's a tragic childhood.
And I think the moral of that is we ought to be careful about how we treat our children.
I think the Democratic Party has betrayed most of its constituents and most of its principles, and that corruption is really a bipartisan scourge in American politics.
I think being an independent is sort of the last refuge of sanity here.
But right now, independent, and I feel driven to it by lack of interest in either one of the current candidates.
As a matter of fact, the American people generally, unless the scandal continues to grow, which I'm sure it will, seem politically, totally unengaged right now.
I think that they're ⁇ I don't think it's a matter of indifference because I think the American people are hurting in a number of ways.
They know that their economic fortunes have been declining relatively, that their futures are uncertain, that for the first time in a half century that they can't be sure that they're going to be better off than their parents were.
There's a lot of insecurity and uncertainty out there, and I think a lot of instinctive distrust of government.
But that doesn't always lead to engagement.
Americans, I think, tend to turn away from this political mess.
They find it very repugnant and distasteful.
And of course, that's not the way a democracy works.
You have to become engaged, whether you like it or not.
You have to face up to your problems.
I often compare this political system to a dysfunctional family.
If you don't know that daddy is an alcoholic or that the aunt is mentally disturbed or whatever, you can't begin the healing process.
But, you know, we're whistling through the graveyard here.
As you well know, there are a number of very ominous trends at work, and you can't be certain at all that these short-term gains are going to last.
And I think most Americans feel that as well.
They don't often connect, however, their own pocketbooks to the political process in Washington.
And the connection could not be more direct.
The special interest government that really rules in Washington these days with both the Democrats and the Republicans ultimately affects every American in the pocketbook.
It is a life and death matter.
When they draw those connections, when they see how corrupted the process has become, I think they may be willing to act.
When I say I'm an independent, I think I'm very much an independent on the matter of simply restoring the democratic process.
We can debate what policy solutions may be best once we've got a democracy back, but we're a long way from that.
The 100,000 lobbyists of K-Street in Washington really run the Congress of the United States.
They elect presidents.
You know, both these candidates, the Democrat and the Republican, are going to your hometown of Las Vegas to get massive support from the gambling industry and others.
There are special interests like that lining up to back and ultimately to buy both parties, both candidates for the presidency.
This, I don't think, is a democracy reflective of its people.
I think it's very much an oligarchy which is owned by a few special interests.
So, Roger, if a miracle occurred and Clinton lost the election, say this stuff got hot enough and he lost the election, if we got Bob Dole, in your view, not much would change.
On the other hand, the efforts to discredit Starr, which have been going on quietly and not so quietly in the press over the last two months, really, I think have proven rather ineffectual.
I think Starr is doing a very professional job.
You know, any attempt to tamper with him, I think, would really bring the first articles of impeachment out of this Congress.
This Congress is waiting with bated breath on every new development, and the FBI files and other scandals here as they erupt weaken the administration still further.
So I think that would be a disastrous step.
I think they're posturing.
This language about Starr, I think, is more bluster than anything else.
Another Fox is saying it's a sad thing when a man running for president can't run the race on his own merit, but rather it must depend on the demerit of his competitor.
And that is what it comes down to.
And you think not much chance that there are going to be enough demerit points to throw the election toward Dole.
Well, I think there are serious problems on the Republican side, as you know.
It's going to be a very divided convention for the Republicans.
Pat Buchanan and others, even though they may be outside the convention hall, are going to be embarrassing the candidate.
This is not a united party.
It wasn't united in the primaries, and it's not going to be in the general election.
The Republicans have their own problems, and I don't think, as I said earlier, that the prosecutor's process here, which is so important, so historic in Little Rock, is going to unfold in time to save the Dole candidates.
At the beginning of his administration, I thought it very, very strange that President Clinton chose to squander so much political capital on the gays in the military thing.
Well, I think that was part of a general ineptness, a disarray in the administration, which was very much the pattern of Arkansas.
I think if you had known really what happened in the 12 years in the governorship in Little Rock, as my book tells the story, you could have predicted much of the disarray and really the failure of the administration in that first year.
And they did squander their capital on an issue which might have been handled very differently.
They came up against some of the most powerful forces in Washington in the Armed Services Committee and the Pentagon and so forth.
And what was supposed to have been a masterful politician here, the president, Bill Clinton, turned out to be a manifest incompetent.
And of course, that wasn't the only issue.
There were all the appointments, Zoe Baird and all the others that languished for so long.
And then the irony of the president's going to San Francisco, facing a mayor who said you better not come, and then when he did, demonstrations against him by the homosexuals.
I've got a quick comment and a question for Mr. Morris.
Sure.
What you said earlier about the United States being a republic and not a democracy, that's very true.
We were founded as a republic, and we won't really have a democracy until we have rule by a simple majority.
And as long as we have the Electoral College, of course, that's out.
But the main reason I'm calling, the thing that I've always held most against Bill Clinton as a Vietnam theater veteran was not his protesting the war or even protesting in England, but the protesting he did in the Soviet Union.
And I will bet you a week's pay that somewhere in a college newspaper or a CAS newspaper or some KGB file, there's a picture of him waving a Viet Cong flag or a hammer and sickle flag.
And I just encourage people to find it.
And I wonder why maybe no one's looked for it yet.
Well, I think you're right about being in big trouble.
You know, we've been talking this evening about how resilient he is and how bulletproof this administration has been.
On the other hand, there are a lot of people in Washington who feel that just what you're saying, that there could be a climactic event before the convention.
I know people who believe that Vice President Al Gore has been trying to work behind the scenes to get Clinton to resign, to go quietly, before there was any scandal that would jeopardize their reelection campaign.
I think there are a lot of machinations going on now that we don't know about in Washington.
I think this is going to be an extraordinary election year, but I still have to disagree with you.
No, and that's something that everybody's feeding on these days in political speculation that he still could, in effect, formally bow out.
But, you know, that's really a technicality.
He's been raising millions and millions of dollars.
He's been going around the country with the clear understanding that he would be the candidate.
He's been taking that money freely from all sorts of sources.
And my sense is that Bill Clinton is running very, very hard, has been for a long time.
And he's got to.
He's got to be in as strong a position as possible to survive these charges that are going to come at him.
And we mustn't forget that in many respects his best defense will be to remain right where he is in the White House, where his legal position is a very special one.
At least at the beginning of the administration, I think a lot of the attacks on Hillary Rodham Clinton were partisan attacks.
They may have been gender attacks, sexist opposition to her, resentment of her as a woman, and certainly some of the attacks against President Clinton were partisan attacks.
The Republican right didn't want him as president, and they were bitterly opposed to him.
The problem, of course, is that these ghosts of Arkansas have proved to be quite real.
And this is not just old bones in the graveyard.
This is not only old scandals from Arkansas.
This is the cover-up that the White House has been engaged in for the last three and a half years.
They have lied, they've evaded, they've destroyed evidence, they've, in effect, obstructed justice.
And even if these charges are old, they still involve crimes against the Democratic process and illegalities in Arkansas.
You know, I think it's one of the more serious scandals of this administration.
I think it's very, very consequential.
I think Americans are concerned about privacy issues, and this goes to the heart of that, the abuse of law enforcement for political purposes, using the FBI files here, obviously, against your political opponents.
And my book tells the story again and again of how the Clintons did just that in Arkansas.
They used the state police in that manner.
They smeared their opponents often.
They had dossiers on people who were opposed to them, and they used that with the press and even in legal transactions in Arkansas.
So that there's a long pattern here of this kind of abuse of power.
I think it's a very, very serious one, and I would hope that the congressional hearings will get to the heart of it.
I frequently get calls from Arkansas, and people there will say, look, we tried to tell you.
And indeed, I've been doing this show, this particular program, for about 13 years, 12, 13 years, and people called from Arkansas and they said, you're going to be sorry.
On the other hand, there was very little exposure of these improprieties and these crimes in Arkansas at the time.
My book details what I regard as the great failure of the Arkansas media, the Arkansas Gazette and the Arkansas Democrat, the two main papers in the state capitol, the television and radio journalists there who simply did not really warn us, did not tell the whole story what was happening in the Clinton regime.
Had they done that, I think it would have been much less of a surprise, and people would have had a clearer choice in 1992, even in the Democratic primary process.
Well, of course, if a president faces that prospect and counts the noses as he has to do and discovers that he doesn't have the votes, then the better part of valor is to resign.
And I think Clinton would probably take that course.
But I think we're a long way from that.
I think this president will stand up and fight these charges.
We'll try to label them as just as they said about the special prosecutor today, try to label them as irresponsible partisanship and all the rest.
I think he'll try to rely on something of the public backlash against the Republican Congress, which we've seen in the last year or so, the fear of losing benefits and entitlements and so on that the Democrats are banking on in this election.
I think there'd be a partisan dogfight, and I don't think Bill Clinton's going to go down quietly.
I think he's a very methodical prosecutor, very professional.
They've assembled these trials in a very deliberate way to unfold the story of what was happening in Arkansas.
They're building prosecution on prosecution, conviction on conviction.
And that has two purposes.
One, of course, to make the larger public case about what was happening there.
But secondly, eventually to get some of these people to make their deals, make their bargains with the prosecution in return for giving new evidence, perhaps evidence even against the President and the First Lady.
Well, he hasn't done very much with his power in this first administration, although he's been fending off the ghosts of Whitewater and of Arkansas past.
So we know what he's been preoccupied with for these last three and a half years.
I think the power of the presidency is always extraordinary.
He would, of course, have the possibility of other Supreme Court appointments.
He might well be able to summon a better majority in the Congress.
I don't think, frankly, the Democrats are going to win back both houses.
They could win back the House and not the Senate.
I don't see Clinton really pursuing any policy agenda in a second administration.
I would see it as just the exercise of the same kind of political power day to day, week to week, month to month, that we've seen for the last three and a half years.
And, of course, the preparation for the year 2000 when either Vice President Al Gore, his successor, would be the nominee, or, as some think, an ambitious First Lady might well make a bid.
If they survive this scandal into a second administration and survive that second four years, I'm not at all certain that Hillary Rodham Clinton wouldn't have ambitions of the presidency herself.
All right, well, you'll notice, sir, that, of course, he, I believe, participated in rolling back, what was it, the four-cent gas tax or something, four and a half cents, whatever it was.
So, again, Roger, he's got it pretty good, doesn't he?
In other words, oil, though it's been up, gas prices have been up.
He's been very lucky, and really in the absence of any concerted international economic policy.
I mean, he's had his trade problems on both fronts in the Pacific and in Europe, but I don't see much of a foreign policy in this administration, and I think he's been very much the beneficiary of favorable trends.
He just as easily could have been on the receiving end of not so favorable trends, and that could well happen in a second administration.
But thus far, he's been very lucky.
I think the more important point is that he doesn't have much of a foreign policy, hasn't devoted much time, hasn't been able to.
I'm an officer, and I found a fellow that had been embezzling several thousand dollars.
And I went all through the fraternity to try and get this guy taken out.
And someone came to me and they said, Larry, the powers at B that keep us and let us do and accomplish the things that we do are the same powers to be that cover for our misty.
Well, I think there's an awful irony here because he was very popular with the African-American community in Arkansas.
He made a lot of gestures like this.
He used to get 18 or 19 percent of the vote automatically in every election in Arkansas because he swept the black precincts, especially in the Mississippi Delta.
But he probably did less for the African American community in that state than any recent governor.
If you go into the Mississippi Delta today, there are third and fourth world conditions down there.
He talked the talk, but he didn't really walk the walk for the black community in Arkansas.
I don't think he's done much for blacks in America as president.
So a lot of this is political posturing.
Whatever he says about civil rights, economic opportunity and violence in the ghettos of our cities and school and other issues for black kids, still just as bad as they were four years ago.
There was a rumor, Roger, and there have been various rumors from the Secret Service that at times things have flown in the White House, that the First Lady may have picked up this or that and tossed it at Bill Clinton.
All right, wildcard line, you're on the air with Richard Morris.
Hi.
Richard, I thought it was Roger.
Roger.
Yes, you're correct.
I'm incorrect.
Roger Morris.
Go right ahead.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hi, Roger.
This is Jim out in L.A. Last time I was on, I was shouting against a skinhead.
I'd like to go over Clinton's presidency.
You know, domestic, you know, it seems like unemployment's down, stock market's booming, trends are less government.
You say he has no foreign policy.
It seems to me the Russians just went through a democratic election, and that seems to be going pretty good.
China seemed to be holding training maneuvers, and it seems China backed down when, you know, at least on this show, there were atomic threats being bandied about.
North Korea seemed to have some problems, and that seemed to fizzle off.
Well, I think those have been very conventional foreign policy issues that you're discussing.
I don't think he's done anything out of the ordinary there but continue the policies of previous administrations.
And none of those problems have gone away.
The North Koreans have still got a proliferation problem with nuclear weapons.
Chinese are still abusing human rights, and the Taiwan issue has not been settled.
Bosnia, as you well know, is still in turmoil, and Somalia still is.
They're still starving people all over Africa.
The larger economic problems in the world have not been solved at all.
The dollar is still in a very weak condition.
I think that the condition of the American economy is precarious despite all the upward trends here.
I don't know any serious economist who thinks that in the long run we're in good shape.
So we can debate Bill Clinton's policies as president.
My point really was very simple, which is that he hasn't had much time, for better or for worse, to devote to either domestic or foreign policy because so much of the energy of this administration has been consumed by Whitewater and by Paula Jones and by scandals of the Arkansas past.
He would have had a lot more time and a lot more energy to devote if he hadn't had such a corrupt record in Arkansas.
No matter what happens in Russia, and it looks like the deal is in.
It's going to be Yeltsin again, and that I guess would be good for us because we've had all our eggs in his basket.
But at best, about half the Russian people, or near half, basically want a return to communism.
So somewhere down the line, there could be a big problem with Russia.
They've got 20,000 nuclear weapons still, basically either pointed at or that could be pointed at us very quickly.
I'm sure they still are, frankly.
If this president was ever faced with a really serious presidential kind of first strike, what do we do kind of decision, how much trouble would we be in?
I don't have very much confidence in Bill Clinton as a crisis manager.
He never managed crisis very well again in his years as governor of Arkansas.
He hasn't had to confront, thank God, anything very earth-shattering in these first three and a half years.
But he is not known as a particularly cool customer.
His aides are not particularly strong or brilliant in national security affairs.
I think he would be a very political decision-maker.
He might well make his choices in terms of what his political fortunes were.
That's the peril, of course, of being under siege at home as he is, making a decision about a fateful foreign policy issue in terms of his popularity or in terms of the political problems of the moment, not in terms of the long-range interests of the country.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Roger Morris.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
Always enjoy your show.
Roger, really enjoying the interview tonight.
Just real quickly regarding that last caller talking about some of the triumphs of the Clinton foreign policy.
I think Clinton handles his foreign policy very much like he does his domestic policy in being the consummate politician that tells people what they want to hear.
And foreign policy, I think, takes a lot longer for those policies to be realized.
And so we may inherit a quagmire, I think, down the road with some of his foreign policy.
But more importantly, I had an observation that I'd like to just pass on quickly and have Art or Roger both comment on.
You know, we're hearing so many things that have been mishandled in this Clinton administration.
Things that I think we would agree with a Republican president would have called for impeachment of that individual.
But yet I keep hearing, and in fact, Art, you've made a comment that you don't think much would be different in a Dole administration.
And I think we can all agree that we had a man who served 30 years or whatever that was a patriot, served honorably.
In other words, Bob Dole as majority leader and before that minority leader, his job literally was compromised.
unidentified
Sure.
But that's not criminal.
And we have things that are being looked at as signs of crime attached to them with this Clinton administration.
And I'm just saying that what amazes me, and in fact, Roger, here's my compromise.
I'll buy your book.
With as much as you're saying bad about the administration, whether you're independent or not, it's going to come down to two people, I think, Bob Dole and Bill Clinton.
And, Art, are you and Roger, are you going to just go ahead and kind of throw up your hands and maybe vote for Bill Clinton just because we don't see a charismatic man in Bob Dole when we have an honorable man, even though we may not think he's real energetic and someone who, you know, is...
You know, I think there are a handful of people who represent the kind of integrity that I'm talking about.
Congressman Jim Leach, for example, who's chairman of the House Banking Committee, is a moderate Republican from Iowa.
I think he's in the middle of this whitewater controversy, much less conspicuous than Senator D'Amato on the Senate side, but conducting a methodical and thorough and, I think, fair-minded inquiry into the Clintons' past in Arkansas.
Jim Leach, I think, represents the best of American politics.
There are not very many like that on either side of the aisle.
I think only a handful of politicians, none of whom are running for president.
I think that a lot of the so-called mainstream heavy hitters in the media have cowered from it.
I'm hoping that being on the bestseller list, the kind of populist reception, word of mouth, the popularity the book has enjoyed, and from shows like this, that they'll take another look because those are still powerful institutions.
I think they have an obligation to tell their listeners, their viewers, what's going on.
Yes, that's a police surveillance tape that was done locally in Arkansas by local law enforcement part of the investigation of Roger Clinton in 1984 and part of a mountain of evidence about his involvement with the cocaine trade, his use of cocaine.
And in this case, of course, part of a lot of testimony, as the book points out, of Bill Clinton's personal cocaine use.
And, you know, again, it's like the women.
I was not concerned about the personal moral question here about what Bill Clinton was doing in terms of drugs.
I was concerned with the political issue of cover-up hypocrisy.
He was supposedly leading the war on drugs in Arkansas at the time.
He knew his brother was deeply involved.
Lots of improprieties in the cover-up of and the damage control of the Roger Clinton case.
And lots of testimony from law enforcement and other sources that Bill Clinton himself not only used the drug, but was in the presence of people who were dealing and using in rather substantial amounts.
Well, listen to the likes of William Bennett, who will say that this administration has the very worst record on finding drugs of any in all of his memory.
You know, that's one of the most disturbing aspects, that the record in Arkansas was so shameful, so tolerant of massive crime.
The president was so linked to drug dealers and to criminal elements there, and his administration in Washington has turned out to be, I think, very inept, very unenthusiastic about pursuing any of those law enforcement efforts.
Years ago, the popular belief, Roger, was that the next Democrat president that we get at that time thought, if we ever get one, would legalize marijuana or at least decriminalize it.
He was crippled politically from doing that by his own involvement in drug use.
He admitted, of course, that he had tried marijuana and didn't inhale, which was a blatant lie.
There are lots of people on the record, as the book points out, who say that he was quite adept, that he had all the equipment and knew quite how to use it.
No, he was prevented from doing that, and of course, that's going to be an act of Congress, not simply an act by a president.
But there has been no leadership at all, I think, in confronting the drug problem, either in terms of treatment or rehabilitation or dealing with the social problems that lead to it, or least of all in law enforcement.
Having said all that, I want to thank you for being here tonight and remind everybody you said you were a fun-loving, life-loving guy with no suicidal tendencies.
We just spent two very powerfully indicting hours with Roger Morris, author of Partners in Power, New York Times bestseller list, portrait of the Clintons.
What a portrait, huh?
Now, I got a call from Graham Hancock, who was airborne about two hours ago, just before the program, on his way to Dallas.
And he said, you know, after the program, our New York office got so many calls about where we were going to be and when are we going to be there that he asked if I would go ahead and plug when he's going to be in L.A. It'll be Monday, June 24th, the Phoenix Bookstore at 1514 5th Street in Santa Monica.
He'll be there from 7 to 8:30 in Portland, Oregon.
Wednesday, June 26th, 23rd Avenue Books is the place in Portland, 23rd Avenue Books, 1015 Northwest 23rd Avenue in Portland.
That's the University Bookstore at 4326 University Way in Seattle.
And Graham Hancock in San Francisco at the Gaia Bookstore in Berkeley at 7 o'clock.
So he's going to be all over the place.
And if you're in one of those places, be sure to catch Graham Hancock.
He was fascinating.
And again, with his program, you'd do well to get a copy of it.
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Tomorrow, Luba Brezhnev.
And she is the niece of Leonid Brezhnev.
And she's gone through absolute hell.
Luba will talk to us about Russia.
She'll talk to us about the elections, the runoffs coming July 5th in Russia.
And I've got a lot of interest in talking to Luba because she's going to tell us what it's like in Moscow.
And she, you know what she told me earlier today?
She said, don't carry your passport.
She said, American passports go for about $28,000 American dollars.
$28,000 American dollars?
I said, Luba, geez, maybe I had to sell it, you know.
Why die for it?
Just go over there and it's $28,000 American dollars.
At any rate, she seriously suggested I take my passport to the American embassy in Moscow before braving the streets of Moscow.
And I think I'll probably accept that advice.
So we'll go to open lines here shortly.
A guest again tomorrow night.
I'm on a real guest jag for some reason.
I go in cycles with guests.
For a while, I really want guests.
And then I'll go a month without having one.
So it's just been sort of an orgy of guesting.
The new $100 bills are out.
Have you seen them?
Oh, by the way, you know, I've got a story about the new $100 bills.
Secret Service agents working with the U.S., this from Reuters, working with the U.S. Attorney's Office, seized $30 million in guess what?
Counterfeit $100 bills.
Joseph Gallows, special agent in charge of the investigation, announced that Ronnie Sims, 40 of Austin, Texas, was arrested late Tuesday in connection with the bust.
The largest seizure of counterfeit money in state history.
Gallows said the counterfeit hundreds were produced by an elaborate system using a printing press with quality paper.
Quote, this money was very passable.
It was completed to a stage where it was ready to be cut.
Agents said the fake money was to be distributed abroad.
So again, would like to welcome Kern, K-E-R-N in Bakersfield to the program.
unidentified
good to have you along we just talked about it Whitewater is the big news tonight.
So naming Lindsay is going to allow the special prosecutor to call him as a witness in the trial of two Arkansas bankers coming up, Herbert Branscombe.
And as a matter of fact, officials are actually worried that he may still be indicted, yet may be indicted for possible perjury or obstruction of justice.
The FBI tape thing is going on.
Two church fires, correct that.
Two black men have been charged in the torching of a black church in North Carolina last month.
These are the first black men charged in the torching of a black church.
AIDS news.
Scientists call it a major advance in basic research into AIDS, age, AIDS, molecules on the surface of cells that allow the virus to attach itself have been discovered.
Now, it's very, very important if they can discover how the AIDS virus attaches itself to a cell, then they may be able to prevent it.
And this is an important discovery down that road.
It could lead to either a treatment or a vaccine for AIDS.
A swarm of 90 minor quakes is hitting the Mammoth Lakes area again.
So we have entered another time of quake movement worry in the Mammoth Lakes area.
One of these days, one of this series is going to result in something new.
Six-point earthquakes all over the place.
As a matter of fact, looking back through the 1st of May, there have been 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 six-point earthquakes around the world.
This is probably a quickening item.
Art, did you hear the news, the news article in the Associated Press, the Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Times, I guess, 14-year-old boy influenced by a horror film that he had seen, get this, ten times killed a playmate, skinned him, and then cooked his flesh on the stove.
His attorney said he was under delusion after seeing the movie Warlock.
I'd say that, you know, just me being out in the public, because I'm a 25-year-old male, and I'm not around politicians very much, but it's pretty much, we're going amok down here, because Bill Clinton has run us into an economical disaster hole down here.
Taxes are unbelievable down here, Art.
The cost of living is terrible.
The unemployment rate is up.
It's pretty bad down here, man.
And your guest, Mr. Morris, said that he kind of fought to the media down here for not informing the public of Bill Clinton's previous runnings in the governorship down here.
I think it pretty much should have been known that Arkansas has been 48, 49, 50, and everything you want to think about, every category compared to other states for the last five to six, seven years that I would know of.
My question always has been, since it's illegal to tape a conversation without asking the person's permission, which she certainly wouldn't have done in that case, why wasn't she arrested?
The other famous levitators were St. Joseph of Cupertino, who used to fly around the church, even did it once in front of the Pope.
It's not clear he could control when he did it.
David Holm could levitate by putting himself in a trance, once went out one window and came in another before members of the Royal Society.
But he also was reported to be seen levitating six inches above the seat of his chair when engaging in animated conversation, apparently unaware he was even doing it.
Some of this is also described in the Britannica article, and more details are in the Reader's Digest book, Mysteries of the Unexplained.
Well, what if this is one of those things that make you go, hmm?
What if all the armies of the world are gathering together, just like in the movie Independence is coming out, Independence Day, fought against aliens?
And do you think the atmosphere of a violet sky or whatever, I don't know if that has anything to do with atmosphere or anything, but would that be able to support life as we know it?
I feel that there's a possibility that what we are seeing as far as the sightings, the UFOs, and the experiences are perhaps an indication of an event that's coming up.
That in the future, once we learn to break the time barrier going forward and back in time, there are historians that are coming back to observe us, observe the prior time, the 50, 100 years prior to us.
It was about some people that were tourists in time, and they would come back to a time just before there was going to be a great catastrophic event, like, you know, a meteor or an asteroid plowing into Earth, and they would pick a safe location far enough away, and they would watch it because in their future world, nothing bad ever happened, and they were bored to death.
And so they were tourists in time to watch tragedy.
So they could, you know, they could sort of get off on the misfortunes of others.
I called you the other night to find out what your stand was on cannabis pot, hemp marijuana, whatever you want to call it.
unidentified
I told you.
Yeah.
And I was wondering why you weren't more involved with getting it out there and getting the message out there and maybe I don't feel militant about it.
I mean, with $100 billion a year going out for nothing, you know, without stopping anything, there's no way to stop the supply, you know, as long as there's a demand.
And somebody like you, though, who has the huge audience that you do, I mean, there are several of us here that sit around smoking all night listening to you.
Hey, I got to tell you, I'm proud to say that when Clinton loses, when he chokes, let's say, the chicken bone in his throat is going to be called California.
He went down to Mexico and he apologized almost on his knees to that venal, corrupt, two-bit government down there, apologized to the people of California voting for 187.
And he was saying something very much in tune with that.
So the conservatives are really going to turn out in California because of the CCRI.
It's going to be big time in California, and Clinton is going to choke.
I mean, by the time The scabrous, corruption-ridden Clintonistas in D.C. are through the next couple of months, they are going to be so busy trying to defend themselves from every single direction, not to mention the direction of Paula Jones is looking at them.
I didn't catch the talk that he and you had, but I mailed a package to him about a month ago and to you about a month ago about some possible guests that have had experiences with, let's say, you know, the otherworldly craft and so forth.
And what I was wondering about is, did you get that package?
There are a whole group of them out there on the right and the left that are extremely focused on hatred of the other political party.
unidentified
But isn't there, I mean, isn't there a fine line between right and left?
Isn't there a fine line between, I mean, I'm a young man who's very into politics, but I see so much power from the lobby groups, from corporate America.
that it really is unimportant who the president is.
Maybe that's not always true, but in this election, much as I do in a lot of ways, respect Bob Dole, at the presidential level, sir, there's just not going to be a lot of difference between Bob Dole and Bill Clinton.
I just, I don't.
On the other hand, Bill Clinton, for me, is so bad that Bob Dole, despite his shortcomings, looks good.
unidentified
Well, if Dole is elected, which I think is unlikely, even with all these things happening with the Clinton presidency, what is Bob Dole going to do different that President Clinton wouldn't have done to make this country a better place?
I would like to interview Bob Dole, and I've got a request into Dole headquarters.
I would give him a good interview, and the guy needs to sit down with somebody like me, if not me, and just have a sincere conversation with the American people.
Maybe do it from his own home, you know, where he'd be relaxed.
unidentified
Right, but wouldn't he just talk rhetoric with you?
I mean, wouldn't he just say what he needs to say?
You ought to thank this radio station because it cares enough for you to have live talk radio on for you instead of regurgitated, recycling, relentless, repetitive repeats.
Yes, live right here in the middle of the night.
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Check this out.
Art, if I was Hillary's political advisor and a Bill Clinton strategist, I would advise Hillary: if backed into a political corner in Whitewater, Nanny Gate, Travelgate, FileGate, or Fingerprints on Documents Gate, whether billing records or FBI files, cry.
But have you ever heard of the treaty that United Nations had the United States and Soviet Russia and other countries sign in 1977 about weather modification?
Well, I do too, and I don't consider it impossible that there could be an environmental change that would produce the jet stream lowering with about the results he talked about.
I mean, it's entirely plausible.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, I took it seriously.
However, I have heard of something that the Soviets were using back in the early 1970s, 77, something like that.
And something called the woodpecker, over the horizon radar, which also saturates, absolutely saturates the ionosphere with energy, but not to the degree that the HAARP project would do so.
unidentified
Okay, well this thing was called something about the Tesla coil.
The very voice that is modulated on the carriers that carry my voice to you, radiation, right through your body, like a hot knife through butter, every day, day in and day out, relentlessly.
Yeah, I'm just, you know, it's just, it's, except for the scandal business going on right now, it's boring.
unidentified
There is one, in the end game, there is one clear and distinct difference, and that is, in my view, okay, which is that a vote for Bob Dole is a vote for the Republican Party.
A vote for President Clinton is a vote for President Clinton.
And it's not necessarily a vote for the Democrat Party at all.
It's for whatever Mr. Clinton is, and he is the monster from our id, as I told my guest.
unidentified
You know, the Republican Party has its problems, but I think at this stage that as awful as they are, they're the lesser of two evils, and that's, unfortunately, all that can be done right now.
I wanted to say, as far as Clinton and Dole go, I think we've got a win-win situation because the way I look at it, it's pretty pessimistic.
But still, if Dole wins, I'm glad.
If Clinton wins, though, he's going to get what he deserves because as far as we can see, the world is kind of quickening so fast that who really wants to be president in the middle of this mess?
You know, we'll get to see Clinton with his hair all messed up.
It would make it worse, but I want to say one other thing.
That charming young fellow that called about their marijuana thing.
Oh, yes.
Living up in Portland, Art.
You know, I'm a musician.
I look like a rock musician.
I'm always getting offered all kinds of stuff.
It's a very liberal state.
And I'm really sick of it.
They have hemp festivals up here.
Hemp festivals?
Yeah.
And there's so much hypocrisy associated with the whole legalized marijuana movement.
You wouldn't believe it's.
I just stay away from it completely.
I've seen so many, especially guys, really feminized by smoking it physically.
They get a lot of female characteristics, physical female characteristics.
Breasts.
Yeah, they get breasts, and their sex drive goes down the tooth.
And, you know, they get real giggly and kind of, and they also get real mean-spirited, real kind of bitchy.
And I would just say to those guys, if they're still awake, you know, if the government wants to legalize it, they're going to do it whether you want to or not.
And no movement of a bunch of guys, a little bunch of space cadets, is going to make a difference.
If they want to, you know, What's a nice word?
If they want to disable, you know, the youth of America, they'll legalize marijuana.
Might as well drink straight shots of estrogen, huh?
unidentified
That's right.
And these guys are stupid.
Let me tell you, I don't look like any church lady either.
They think they know who's liberal, who's conservative.
No, they don't.
Everyone's o up here.
They're constantly offering me petitions for the Green Party.
No one ever offers me any.
I say I'm a Republican.
No way, man.
How could you be?
You're too cool, man.
really yeah and then people have i have to say the concerted may be naive about something but i think the most part they're a heck of a lot smarter than liberals Liberals are naive.
Well, there are mystical things that take place on both sides of the fence.
And that was one of the things I was going to ask you about tonight.
A couple of calls that you had both in this show.
I had meant to talk to you about this before, but I always seem to get, you know, sidetracked by Mr. Hoagland or Ed Dames or one of your other fantastic guests.
On one call you had, somebody asked you if you'd read the Bible, and you've been asked that, I know, many times, and your response is usually generally the same, and that is, yes, several times.
He called himself the firstborn among many brethren, and he showed his glorified body.
It was an unusual body in that he could walk through walls and yet he still could say to Doubting Thomas, here, feel the hole in my hand and the hole in my side from the wounds.
Or he also said that he wasn't recognized by some people.
So he had the power to either cloud men's minds or...
My theory is, and eventually I'll be proven right, any good talk host can take any call, good, bad, indifferent, and either make it entertaining or informative or something.
There really aren't bad calls.
unidentified
Well, you know, now that you say that, I kind of think of it as kind of pro-wrestling.
If you're screening your calls, you might as well be a pro-wrestler.
Well, now that I think about it, from listening to it, I've been laughing all night.
I listened to the first three callers, and I thought, well, I'm going to have to crack a beer for the first time in a while and just laugh my butt off.