June 10, 1996, geologist Charles Watson warns of Aleutian Islands’ seismic risks—including a 7.9-magnitude quake near Andrianov—highlighting "seismic gaps" like the Shumigan Islands and Hayward Fault’s 17-cm soil surge as potential disaster zones, while noting global tremors have left California eerily quiet. Callers debate church burnings tied to white supremacist ideologies, which Bell dismisses as contradictory to Christianity, calling it "insane" and a possible race war trigger. Listeners also share earthquake experiences, from Oklahoma’s quakes to Jack Kevorkian’s controversial assisted-suicide methods, while Watson advises monitoring via SeismoWatch’s alerts. The episode underscores how natural threats and human extremism collide, exposing fragile structures—both literal and ideological. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these zillions of time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, east to the Caribbean, in the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and then a little jog out to the west to the Aleutian Islands.
I had a reason for saying that.
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And worldwide on the internet, this is post-to-post a.m.
He's the owner of the geologic consulting firm Advanced Geologic Exploration in Reno.
Founded in 1987, primary services include SeismoWatch and earthquake information and services, or were earthquake information and services, I guess I have to say, which include a weekly earthquake graphic in 27 newspapers in California,
Nevada, Utah, soon in Washington, publishing the SeismoWatch newsletter, a comprehensive bulletin of weekly regional and worldwide earthquake info, earthquake alert bulletins, a rapid source of earthquake information via fax and email, and that's part of what lit up my facts earlier today, and the SeismoWatch web page, which is www.seismo-watch.com.
www.seismo-watch.com.
She's got a webpage.
That's great.
So in a moment, we will talk with a geologist about what in the world is going on in the Aleutians.
It has been since I last talked with you.
It is an absolutely amazing chain of events for a chain of islands.
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and we'll get to that in a moment You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Nevertheless, it makes for good radio and when somebody really enjoys what they do, I do, and I know you do, and so what the hell's going on in the Aleutians?
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It's come unglued, Art.
This is a major quake.
The USGS and Harvard just released the moment magnitude for this quake to be 7.9.
Yeah, so they upped it a few points from the 7.7 they released earlier.
Well, the quake happened last night, Alaska Standard Time, or Aleutian Standard Time, about 804, 803 p.m.
And it initially began at the eastern portion, or excuse me, the western portion of the Andrianov Islands.
The way they kind of grouped these islands, the little clusters of them occur.
And if you head down the Alaska Peninsula, there's the Fox Island chain, there's the Andrianoff Islands, the Rat Islands, the Near Islands, then the Russian Islands take over, which is the common dwarf sea.
Then you get into the Kamchaska Peninsula.
So it's about right in the center of the main Aleutian Islands.
And so in this little Aleutian Islands, it's a little group of islands called the Andrianovs.
You know, and you I imagine over a period of a month or so, some information will come out that, you know, those poor cinder walls were knacked flat or something.
Okay, in January, there were 10 quakes measuring 6.0 or larger.
In February, there were 20.
In March, there were 15.
In April, there were 7.
In May, there were 7.
And already, in the month of June, there were 8 in the first 10 days.
So what it kind of says is that February and March were kind of a high cycle.
If you look at earthquake cycles, you don't want to look too closely at them, but just kind of generally you can kind of arm wave and say, well, gosh, February there was 20, in March there were 15.
When will we get to the point, do you think we'll ever get to the point, Charles, where, you know, as we get a weather forecast, as problematic as it might be regarding correctness for any given time, we'll get an earthquake forecast?
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I hope so.
I'm looking for that.
I think that there's real good potential.
There are some cutting-edge scientists working on a lot of different avenues for doing this.
I think that the larger database we can put together, the more frequency...
You know, when you watch the weather at night and they've got a tornado box, you know, they've computed where the hot and cold weather are going to clash, where conditions are going to be right, and they put a box in there and talk about violent weather, maybe with damaging hail, high winds, tornadoes.
Couldn't we get to the point where a box like that could be drawn for earthquake probability?
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I hope that sometime in the future we can get to that point.
I really do.
I think that you can see seismic gaps right now for certain areas, notably like the Hayward Fault.
Would you say that that leads you to believe there might be seismic activity or just the opposite, that there is movement so it won't lunge?
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Well, personally, I look at that and I go, well, that's different than what happened before.
Something's changed.
And the top USGS seismologists are saying that the seismic shadow, which is kind of a strain shadow, was placed from the Wilma Prieta earthquake in 1989.
It kind of relieved the strain along the Hayward Fault.
And so that it just didn't, all the creeps stopped, all the micro-earthquakes slowed down.
But they're saying now that perhaps that shadow has kind of gone away.
And we can expect to start seeing increased seismicity in that direction again.
Yeah, yeah.
And the Calaveras fault, which is another offshoot of the Hayward, just a little bit to the east, is another one of equally high importance.
It's got just as long a rupture, possible rupture zone, and it cuts through towns like Danville, Pleasanton, Fenoll, I mean, some areas which are heavily populated.
All right, I want to test your craziness quotient here.
If you knew, this will be a several-part question, if you knew where there was going to be a 6.0 earthquake and you knew for sure where it was going to be, and you knew where the exact epicenter was going to be, and you were certain of this, would you go stand on the epicenter?
Well, there are scientists who have predicted some earthquakes, sometimes successfully, and I wonder if they go sit on the or stand on what they conclude is going to be the epicenter and check it out.
All right.
Listen, Charles, hold on.
I'll be back to you in just a moment.
We've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
And again, we've got Charles here because there has been an incredible series of earthquakes in the Aleutian Islands.
Way out there.
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Thank you.
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And let me hold my toll-free line open for anybody out in the Aleutians.
I'm not sure this is going to work.
Gee, can they call on the toll-free line?
Yeah, they should be able to.
Try it.
The Aleutian Island chain only.
And we'll see if a call can come through from there.
I rather doubt it.
Charles, are you there?
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Oh, yeah.
All right, let's Oh.
One of the things that's really interesting is that it re-ruptured the same area that ruptured in 1986.
But what's really interesting is the same spot also ruptured back in 1965.
So, or excuse me, 1957.
And so this area, just right off the Andrianov Islands, has just been a rocking and rolling kind of place.
And there are several other areas along the trench, along the Aleutian Islands, that they have these seismic gaps that everybody thought, a lot of the seismologists thought that if you're going to get a major earthquake, it's going to be in the Schumigan Islands, for example, or along the Alaska Peninsula, which last ruptured in 1938.
Charles, if you go way back, is this because the continents were connected and they're pulling apart, or what's the big picture?
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Well, the big picture is that the Pacific Plate is just moving northward, just like it's moving northward off the coast of California and northern or central North America.
It's moving northward and displacing rocks and pushing.
So it's got to butt up against something.
And what it has is the North America Plate kind of just sticks out across the Bering Sea and kind of wraps around towards Siberia and down into Japan.
And the Pacific Plate is just being forced underneath the North American plate.
And right in the Andriano Islands, Something happens to the plate.
It doesn't go down smoothly.
There's a very strange transition in which it dives very shallowly and then it steepens up real radically.
And there's a lot of seismicity related to that real steepening area.
Well, without being able to forecast, Charles, it's sort of whatever is going to happen is going to happen, eh?
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Well, you know something, Mart, it's been really kind of interesting what's happening on the micro-seismic level.
When you look at April and May, seismicity worldwide just dropped.
Real large earthquakes just dropped like a rock.
There was nothing going on.
But at the same time, micro-seismicity in North America increased substantially.
And this is when we got the 4.7 San Jose earthquake.
This is when we got the 5.4, 5.2 Duval earthquake in Washington.
There's been some, there was a 4.0 in Chalice, Idaho, a 4.3 in the Wyoming-Idaho border.
Yellowstone started picking up.
Oh, and even interesting, for all you listeners on the East Coast, we have a map of the St. Lawrence Seaway, the seismicity in the upper New England, southeastern Canada.
And the activity nearly tripled in that area during this time.
And it's still active there.
So they've been getting little quakes over there in Maine and New Hampshire, and the Western Quebec seismic zone has been quiet, but the upper St. Lawrence has been...
Do you think there is some sort of direct connection, or do you think it's a causal relationship?
In other words, earthquake goes, it causes a rupture or the beginning of something in a volcano, or do you think there's some sort of direct connection with underground magma?
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Well, it's kind of a symbiotic relationship, Art.
Sometimes the volcano just gets active, and it produces earthquakes.
Sometimes the earthquakes get strong.
Other times, strong earthquakes cause the volcano to get active.
You know, you remember the Mammoth Lakes thing, is that you can get swarms happening without really a lot of magma moving.
Could there ever be such a thing as a geological domino falling?
In other words, could it ever really get going and there would just be many, many severe things that would all set each other off in an ever-increasing sort of cascade?
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Yeah.
There's been some really neat articles coming out about cascade theory.
The fault kind of zips, you know, it kind of chugs and goes.
And one quake kind of spurs on the next quake, that spurs on the next quake that gets a big one going.
And after a while, after it's all over and done with, you've got 300 miles of rupture.
And this is what they kind of fear for the San Andreas at some point in time, is that could it be possible that you get the huge mega quake?
And I attended a prominent Seismological Association meeting in St. Louis back in the spring in which this was a major topic.
And it was the first time I'd ever heard the top-level seismologist discussing what they called M. God-Awful, which is the huge quake that everybody kind of doesn't want to talk about.
We went through a whole giant spada quakes there, Japan, north of Japan, then down near the Indian Ocean, and even in South America, now in Alaska.
So all these areas have been so active at various times, and yet the West Coast, even though it's had a couple minor or mid-level occurrences, really more minor, has not let loose.
Are we due?
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Oh, yeah.
It's a good time to be into earthquake reporting art.
I mean, from a geologist's point of view, this is really exciting.
And when I look at North America, when I look at the western coast of North America, even inland, in the Rocky Mountains region all the way to the east coast, and I look at past seismicity patterns, it doesn't seem like they match.
Something's gone really quiet.
It looks like we should be having a few more of these sixes and sevens happening.
But they're not happening.
And so you tap your finger and you go, when are they going to occur?
Yeah, when it goes quiet and it stays quiet for a long time in a particular area, is there more reason to be then concerned, do you think?
Is that a reasonable assumption?
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Yeah, yeah.
Standard plate tectonics says that the plates are in constant motion.
And so that you always have these plates that are moving, and they have to relieve the strain of, you know, because they bind and they don't quite move and they build up strain and then they go.
And so that process of building strain is always going on.
Places like Parkfield or a famous place called San Juan Batista, along with San Andreas Falls.
All right, but I really, really, really love your fact service.
I mean, I get, boom, an earthquake occurs, and I've got a nice drawing of the world geography, shows me just where it is and all the information about it.
That's 1-800-852-2960, right?
That's it.
All right.
Charles, I want to thank you for being here, and we're going to All watch this very, very carefully and see where it goes from here.
And if it does go from here, we'll have you back on.
The following is entitled The Clinton's High Flight.
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of truth and danced the lies of laughter's tainted wings.
To the White House I've climbed and joined the tumbling troop of fatuous fools and done a hundred things you have not dreamed of.
Wheeled and soared and swung high in the motel-like obscurity.
Hovering there, I've chased the shouted big lie along and led the eager Hillary through footless halls of air, down down the long delirious depths of sleazy grace, where never eagle nor even bat flew.
And while with empty, sinking mind, I've trod the low trespassed sanctity of faith, put out my arms, and kissed the lips of Marx.
Of course you can put your nice new CIA license plate on your vehicle and drive around.
Please bear in mind, though, you must first obtain a jet black four-door sedan.
Then place your CIA license plate on the vehicle in Presto.
You then have a choice of using a JATO when chased by a cop or leaving at home.
However, you'll also need a genuine unadulterated CIA get-out-of-jail free cart.
Also, you must dress up in a black suit, black socks, and black tie.
Don't forget the dark sunglasses.
This should also allow you to carry automatic weapons as well as a couple of grenades right there in the front seat of your untouchable black sedan as you drive around terrifying little ladies and their dogs.
Think about the publicity you'll generate plus the new sinister wave of MIB men in black reports that you will be responsible for creating.
Have fun, Dave.
Well, somehow I just don't think it would be very impressive on my metro.
So I can't do it there.
I'm not going to do it.
And yeah, I guess the CIA plate on the metro wouldn't carry much weight at all, even if I had the rest of the outfit, you know, the sunglasses and everything else.
you get it maybe even have him again as a guest on your show like you did william pierce but the whole thing sounds so totally ridiculous to me Maybe I should just to try and find out again.
Thanks for the call, but I think you sort of self-destruct it a little bit.
Because it's my understanding that white supremacy, not separatism, but supremacy, is the ideology that they claim.
And they apply, somehow they apply Christian principle and doctrine to this.
You know, unfortunately, I think they kind of missed the point.
They spent so much emphasis on how the book influences people in a negative way, as though this book, in other words, they gave the book more appeal than it probably deserves.
You know, because it's, like I said, even as far as books go, and as far as the idea goes, both of them are nonsensical.
Well, I just wanted to tell you something that I decided more I've been meaning to write you a letter or a fact or something just about to tell you how you've influenced and motivated my life.
Because you do, I mean, I've decided a long time ago that what I want to do with my life is three main things.
Educate, motivate, and entertain not only myself, but the public.
And that's something you do for me and to millions of people every night.
And I've long been an opinion, ever since I started listening to you, I think we need, I know you don't want to do TV, but I think we need someone like you to do TV.
So I think I'm going to start producing a show that deals with the same topics.
And who knows, I probably won't even begin to get the level or the guests that you get on because I realize that it takes someone to be established as well as you are to get those kind of guests on.
But start small cable access.
And who knows, maybe in 5, 10, 15 years, I'll get picked up by a network or go on to a syndication.
Decide what it is you're going to do, and then don't deviate from that.
And don't listen to any other of the million program directors that you're going to run into telling you that what you're doing is dumb and will never work.
That's my advice.
In other words, stick to your original founding principles.
Follow your own, you know, it sounds like Something out of the Wizard of Oz or something, but follow your original founding principles.
Television, radio, really with any endeavor.
It doesn't have to be in the broadcast field.
With any endeavor.
If you form a company dedicated to quality, then no matter how you grow, you've got to find a way to continue that dedication to quality.
And if you do, you will succeed.
It is as simple as that.
And generally, when people tell you that you can't do what you're doing, if you know they're wrong, then don't listen to them.
One of the biggest mistakes you can make is to begin to listen to people who think they, now that you've achieved some level of success, they are sure they know what you should do.
Well, they don't.
You know what you should do.
You've always known, so keep doing it.
That is my advice, and we'll be right back.
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Yeah, it's better than thinking you're about to become a volcano.
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Correct.
And I just wanted to bring it to attention that they just had that similar situation happen in L.A. down there by Burbank in the Glendale area of a smell where they were also looking for the cause of it and weren't able to find it.
And after a few days, again, it disappeared.
And I wanted to bring it to the attention that to everybody's attention that after an earthquake, I do believe that there are gases that are released.
And the sulfur smell that they had encountered is somewhat similar to what happens after an earthquake in a volcanic area.
That's one question.
Another thing that I was thinking about was the church situation.
I do believe the government is correct in their belief that there isn't a conspiracy because the situation that I was involved with with the L.A. burnings, where the riots became very shop owners that were
not blacks and saw that they had been rebuilt basically through the government aids and things like that and loans.
I think that it's a possibility.
I don't know if you can reflect on this or not, but I think is it a possibility that they are doing it themselves?
Got a comment about the white supremac Christians.
I was born and raised in the South and have a strong reason to believe that my father was a Klan member.
And it gives me cold chills when you laugh at the idea because I don't know if you realize it, but most of your Klan members historically and currently are Christians who believe that they're chosen by God to clean the country up.
But in the church bombings in Birmingham in 67, I think it was, I've forgotten the year, my father almost threw me out of the house because I had the audacity to be disturbed that children were killed in church.
I mean, he was so, so pleased with what had happened and so upset with me.
Well, you know, let's talk about the Unabomber for a second.
You remember Ted Kaczynski, the Unibomber?
His brother, as you know, turned him in.
Yeah, yeah.
And you must have had similar thoughts and been troubled in a similar way.
I mean, to imagine your dad was a Klan member, might have been out doing some of this stuff.
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Thank God I didn't realize it until after he was dead.
It didn't all come together for me until I was an adult.
That's why I say probably.
I'm not sure.
I just remember as a small child, he took me with him a lot of times in the evening when he would go and get together with a bunch of his friends.
And I remember some of the comments I heard and some of the attitudes, which were definitely very, very strongly anti-black, very racist.
And I remember a couple of things that I was with him at.
Nothing as obvious as a crossburning, of course.
But looking back on it now, I think these must have been Klan meetings, not the hood and robe kind of making a point thing, but just getting together and chewing the fat kind of thing.
Okay, I'm in Georgia, but at that time I was born and raised in North Alabama, Coleman County.
And when I found out that that was one of the places of one of the largest Klan training grounds some years ago, it sort of fell together.
And I realized, oh, my God.
And the irony of it is my mother is part Cherokee who was born and raised in this general area, which means historically the way the Cherokees survived after the March West was to mix and live with the blacks in the area.
So historically, the chances of her not having some black ancestry are slimming none.
But I really appreciate your call, and we will continue with this topic.
No, it's not.
There's nothing funny about it at all, except the irony of it to me.
With my, no doubt, as some of you would describe, limited understanding of Christianity.
How it would fit together with white supremacist beliefs, I just don't compute that.
I don't think many Christians would.
It's an amazing thing that they can mix the two.
And apparently believe that God looks on white people in some favorable superior way.
How do you come to believe these things?
I wonder.
I mean, no matter what you might cite in the way of a study about this or that or the bell curve or anything else, you would have to look at then the apparent superiority of Asians over whites intellectually.
How would you account for that?
I mean, the whole thing is just ridiculous.
So much time in America now appears to be wasted hating.
I can't see it, though, in that taxation of a church would be the state getting involved in a church problem or, well, not problem, but the church's business.
And in the Constitution, our founding forefathers made mention of the fact that separation of church and state was the church will not run the state, and the state will not run the church.
You tax the church, that's the state running the church.
I would be careful about mixing your opposition to the taxation of churches with agreement with the Freeman, but I understand the way you feel.
And frankly, I didn't say that I agreed with him that it is a good idea.
As a matter of fact, frankly, I thought he carried a grudge, and I still believe that, incidentally, even now, having interviewed him and spent a lot of time with him, I felt what came out was a very deep-seated resentment, anger, and ongoing grudge.
But that is what you would have discerned, Paul, had you listened to the entire program.
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Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell Somewhere in Time I want to talk to you for a second about cyber snobbery.
That's what I call it.
There is now this great undercurrent of hatred that's going on between people who use Prodigy, AOL, CompuServe, people who are on the chat services, the different providers, the web people, and they're all in contention with each other, and everybody else's service is junk.
And I wonder why that's going on.
I wonder why the people who are more deeply involved in the Internet, for example, turn up their noses at people like AOL.
And AOL is bringing a lot of people into cyberspace who otherwise would not come.
It's kind of like with amateur radio.
We get people involved in ham radio by getting one of the early licenses, a no-code license or a novice license or something that is relatively easy to get in the beginning and easy to use and doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist to participate.
And so it brings people into the hobby, just the way AOL and some of the other services bring people into cyberspace, and then they move on from there.
But why is there this great rivalry, and a very nasty one at that, in the cyber world right now?
I call it cyber snobbery.
And there's hatred that spews from these people.
Whatever it is they're on is the right thing, and everything else is wrong and, or if not, evil.
Well, it's nothing like someone devoted to what they do.
Now, let me prove my point, all right?
I just talked about cyber snobbery.
So what did I get?
I got a list from my friends on the IRC chat channel, of which I cannot read all of them, but listen to this.
Art, here is a top 20 list for the uses of AOL, that's America Online, AOL CDs from the listeners on IRC.
20.
Futuristic money.
Paving stones for Tim Leary's driveway.
Targets for your SKS rifle.
Sharpen the edges and make nice ninja throwing weapons.
Boogie boards for chipmunks.
Pizza slicer.
You can never find one when you need one.
They would slice pizzas, I suppose.
Water skipper toys for the kids.
Needle hood ornaments.
Landing pads for those miniature UFOs, and on it goes.
Hey, look, more Roswell parts.
Bicycle reflectors.
Inexpensive earrings for your wife's birthday.
This is the kind of thing that I was talking about.
The exact thing that I was talking about.
Now, why is there so much cyber snobbery and rivalry?
And I don't understand that.
All of it is fun.
I very much enjoy AOL.
I always have.
It is convenient.
It is easy.
It gets people into cyberspace who otherwise wouldn't know what the hell they're doing, who eventually then will move on to other providers or stay with AOL or whatever they're going to do.
But AOL is just part of it, and it's a good part of it, and without it, there wouldn't be nearly so many people involved.
So I don't get why this is all going on.
And you know where I am right now?
I am in the Grassy Knoll Chat Room on AOL.
If you would like to join me there, you are welcome to do so.
Just go on AOL and go to Keyword and hit Keyword Art Bell.
A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
It'll take you to the Grassy Knoll Chat Room.
That's where I am.
You'll see me in there.
So come on in.
Maybe somebody there can tell me why my new 3.0 won't print my email.
That's what I really want to know.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Well, that sounds like you need a college course, not a guest.
unidentified
Well, yeah, I have some books, but okay, the other thing is on the I went through this real weird thing of, okay, I got some organophosphate poisoning.
I don't know who, but it was something to the effect of why do I need to hate groups of people when there are so many good reasons to hate people individually?
I'm not exactly too politically read, and maybe you can answer it for me, okay?
Steven, do you think that the people who found the Whitewater papers, which mysteriously popped up, and the people who mysteriously found these Travelgate papers, which mysteriously popped up, do you think those two incidences outside of them mysteriously popping up are related?
Well, this report, this security business, this either enemies list or innocent mistake, whatever you want to call it, was done very early on in the administration, and it has just been found out about.
Well, because she sent a fax, and she was grinding an axe, and I wanted to hear what happened, would happen when she ground her axe on Ms. Pepsi.
And so I heard.
unidentified
She found some chinks in her armor, I'm afraid.
But that was an interesting show I liked, Dr. Pepsi or Ms. Pepsi.
It was very interesting.
She was right a lot of the time, whether it's a science or not.
I know.
And that's as much of a science as, and I don't really know that much about it, but SciTech, I find just the name of his company far more misleading than Pepsi Togar.
And when he speaks of remote viewing, because he speaks about remote viewing as technology.
And when I first heard that 19 Minutes the first night, I understood that I was listening to some of when he said technology, I thought like I had never heard of remote viewing, and I thought he meant satellites and actual technology when it wasn't technology at all.
And so I don't understand why they pick on Tutsi Tolgar when that went completely unnoticed, where his is a much more, you know, the consequences to his prophecy or prediction, even though, I mean, I believe that the environment is in grave danger and everything, but just the way he said, no, there's no chance.
It was like, you know what I think?
I think he bought a bunch of property in New Zealand, and when everybody makes their exodus, he's going to sell it all to them at high prices, and he's going to buy up all the property in Beverly Hills.
Look, I can't substantiate the claims that are made, but the government apparently felt that there was sufficient reason to believe there was something to it to continue a program for 20 years.
And he was in that military program.
So, you know, I mean, take these things always with a grain of salt.
Take them with a grain of salt, and they are presented that way.
Controversial and unusual things are presented for you on this program, and you can accept them, reject them, embrace them, file them away, and do whatever you want with them.
And so it is with major dames.
I, however, personally attach some credibility, credence, belief, some, I said, in what he had to say and what he has to say.
And I think that you should listen and decide for yourself.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
All right.
You know, I never realized before that you were automatically disconnected after so many rings.
I've been listening for a while, but this is the first time I've called.
I'm a graduate student at San Diego State.
And I just wanted to put this out there, maybe get a little feedback from your listeners, and see if anybody has seen anything strange in the area around Gordon's Well.
If you'd like to join us online, you're welcome to do so.
We're in a chat room on AOL.
Just go on AOL and hit keyword and type Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, and then go into the grassy little chat room.
There I am.
So join us, if you will.
There is an ongoing discussion of many things in there right now.
And east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Going once.
Going twice.
Gone like the wind.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Well, I think people all in America should sit back and see, I just got my citizenship about three or four years ago for the United States, American citizen.
And people should sit back and read our Constitution, especially a lot of Americans, because they don't, I know a lot of Americans don't know the Constitution that well, but what makes us one great nation is all the people in this country, blacks, whites, Chinese, Russians, Italians.
And that's what makes us one great nation, you know, one diverse nation.
Well, a lot of people are beginning to feel that way.
I don't know.
It's a hard call.
On the one hand, you don't want to do anything rash, and you don't want to precipitate something that will result in the use of deadly force when the crime doesn't justify that.
But on the other, there has to be the rule of law, and there cannot be the rule of if I don't pay my mortgage, if I don't, if I write hot checks, if I do this or do that, I can get away with it because I can claim I'm a patriot and have a gun.
And so there will be fear on the part of the government.
And I feel that these men in Montana are hiding behind the patriot movement.
Not very effectively, and the longer it goes on, the less effective their claims are in this regard.
Now, maybe that's why the FBI is letting it go on, but there is a danger, and that is that people elsewhere will copycat it.
They will conclude it is the way to keep the government away.
I'm a Christian, but I think the Kingdom Identity movement is just a doctrine.
It's a way of interpreting the Bible, and it's kind of a subcurrent throughout Christianity and certain sects, like in certain Protestant and Catholic sects of Christianity throughout since the time of Christ really.
All right, well, it's a growing thing, apparently.
It's a growing thing, and I believe these church fires are, you know, there was one pastor yesterday during a news conference who suggested this is a tinderbox.
It's beginning to get to be a tinderbox, and it is.
It surely is.
If this is a general movement in this country, we've really lost it.
We have really lost it.
I'm not sure what's happened to America, but whatever it is, it absolutely is not good, is it?
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You know, the Christian identity people, twice, I've noticed when they called, they always say there will be a race war, but then you never go into it.
I would like to know exactly what they're talking about.
I think the church burnings are, you know, these kind of things can cause the race war.
And I want to know what they mean when they say they actually know there will be a race war.
Well, if they say so, and churches are being burned, and the blacks, you know, know who wants the church burned, no matter what race you are, you know, there could be a connection.
Well, if we get somebody inclined toward admitting they are a white supremacist and want such a war and are promoting the idea of such a war, maybe we will have such a debate.
But I just, I still, I'm not over at all these Christians who think that the white race is superior.
How they come up with that, how they can mesh some twisted concept of Christianity into that belief system is amazing to me.
Why is purity, or how is purity determined by skin color?
unidentified
I don't understand their thinking, you know.
Actually, they're kind of infantile in their thinking.
The people that I knew at least.
Now, these other racists that stand up and they're all truly smart, you know, but they really don't know what they're talking about because being sure has nothing to do with color.
You know, Christians, if you're a true Christian, you do not believe in separation or different colors, you know, one another hating each other, you know, stuff like that.
Because the Christian faith is about love, you know, for one another, and it goes directly through the race line.
And I wanted to bring up the subject of the same-sex marriage.
I've been sort of dear to some of the radical members of the gay community, especially some belongs to or believe in the group called NAMBLA, the North American Man, Boy Love Association.
Well, in that case, we're coming down the old home trail.
unidentified
I think we're definitely going to end up with the revolution here, and we're going to end up with the race war and everything else going on at the same time.
I guess the only way we prevent something from occurring that is catastrophic is to take individual action and hope there are enough of us left to do that.
unidentified
Nobody seems to want to do anything right now.
Everybody just sits around watching television.
They don't even want to take care of their own children anymore.
I mean, right now, we're looking at our society disintegrate before our eyes.
Well, I can only imagine if I were a church-going person, and I had a church down the street that I went to once or twice a week, whatever, and somebody burned it down with hate for me or my race or my religion as a motive, I would be fighting mad.
I would be fighting mad.
I would be ready to pick up a gun and go after whoever it was.
So far, as nearly as I can tell, the black religious community that has suffered at the hands of this sort of thing has been very restrained in their response.
And I wouldn't be so restrained.
What greater insult can there be than burning somebody's church?
No, you can't burn their religion.
But still, the insult of going after their church.
I mean, if somebody burned my church, if I was a regular churchgoer and I'm not, I would be livid.
I would be angry enough to start a race war.
So I think the restraint thus far has been admirable, and I think they better go after this harder and find out what's going on here.
And if it is a general thing that has begun to occur in this country, they'd better get a handle on it.
Would it be possible if you was to get a hold of Fox Television and have Paul McGann and his manager, Janet Fielding, I believe is how you pronounce it.
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If the so-called Christian white supremacists really believe that they are superior, then they should also believe that it is their duty to take care of what they call the inferior races.
If they believe they are closer to God, then they should be willing and even enthusiastic about providing welfare, shelter, education, etc., to those other races as part of their Christian duty.
They should take black, yellow, and Jewish people under their wings and be their big brother.
Since they do not, their very action goes against the white supremacist concept and, if anything, may show they are too inferior to rule over any race of people.
Dennis in Kansas City I may open a line for anybody who considers themselves to be a white supremacist.
I wonder, I really wonder if they are out there, and apparently they are in big numbers, or maybe this is another one of those things blown up in the press and is not as real as we imagine it to be.
Which do you think is true?
I'm not exactly sure right now.
For a long time, for several years, it was my belief that these people were very, very few in number and that the press just blew it up.
I don't know that I'm as sure anymore.
And it's very worrisome.
So let me try that.
Anybody want to admit to being a white supremacist?
Perhaps even a Christian white supremacist?
Maybe you can explain how all of that works together.
So if that's you, if you will come on here and say, yes, I'm a white supremacist, yes, the white race is better than other races, call me at area code 702-727-1222.
And everybody else, don't call.
702-727-1222.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hi.
For one thing, Christian white supremacist is a contradiction in terms.
And you would cite, no doubt, examples of intelligence tests that would seem to show whites scoring higher than blacks?
Yes.
Then how do you respond to the fact that those same tests, when given to Asians, score higher than whites?
I don't believe that those tests are exactly So you believe them when they show whites outscoring blacks, but not when they show Asians outscoring whites?
Interesting.
unidentified
Well, I don't know what your data is on.
I think mathematically the Asians are trained harder and they're more disciplined.
Well, then, how can you claim superiority on the same basis over blacks or Chicanos or whatever?
unidentified
Because the blacks are in our culture, they have the same opportunities as the whites.
However, they dramatically across the board score lower in college-level courses, pre-graduate-level courses.
They've been through the educational system that's supposed to be fair and equitable.
However, when they take the GRE or the GMAT or the LSAT or any of those other tests, on the average, they score dramatically less than the average white.
You were not exactly what I was looking for, but you're close.
It's very interesting that somebody would embrace the concept that they are superior and cite tests, intelligence tests that have been given and then reject as bad testing when confronted with the fact that Asians are outscoring whites.
Or simply attribute it to, what did he say, discipline?
Discipline?
Well, is discipline then a measure of might?
As in white is right or Asian is right?
Are we talking about discipline then as a measure of superiority?
The problem that I have with it, the doctor that you had on a couple, three weeks ago said that his God is nature, and that he basically he was saying that the things that he finds in nature support his beliefs.
And yet I have never seen a cow not want to mate with another cow because it was a different color.
Or, you know, a dog that's a collie, for example, not want to mate with a dog that's a German shepherd because it's a different race.
And so his very beliefs or his God, quote unquote, defy his very beliefs.
And then the callers that you've had in tonight, sorry, I've got a cold coming on.
The callers that you've had in tonight that claim that they are Christian and at the same time supremist, everything in the Bible basically defies that, as you have pointed out.
God is no respecter of persons.
Jesus himself said, to go ye into all the world.
And so there's just nothing that I can see that would support their beliefs at all.
And, you know, how they can claim to be supremist on one hand and yet Christian on the other is just.
It's kind of a weird thing because my personal view, I'm kind of pro assisted suicide, but as far as having Jack Kevorkian spearheading the movement, I'm not for that.
I think that a person has a right at the end to decide about their own life.
It's not an easy choice.
However, Jack Kevorkian is probably trying to prove a point with what he's doing and get a societal debate going.
unidentified
Well, there definitely is a debate going, but he needs to get more support through the medical establishment or people that are willing to come forward because he really is making it look bad.
He's actually, I don't think he's helping.
He is by, you know, he keeps doing it over and over, but, you know, he needs to get more people or at least more less circus-like individuals.
You know, and he's always been, you know, they talk about, you know, you always hear them talking about dignity, him and his lawyer.
They're always saying people should die with dignity, this, that, and the other.
But dignity is not putting them in your VW micro bus and carting them up into the hospital parking lot and leaving your body there.
But on the other hand, there are degrees of dignity.
And I guess I don't want to go too far with this, but dying with a diaper on, not in control of any of your own bodily processes.
That's not much dignity either.
So my take on this is that it is your life.
It is my life.
And I can tell you this.
No government would stand in my way if I decided that I was going to take my life, and I'm certainly not here telling you I am, but if I decided I was going to, no government has a right to step in my way.
That's my take on it.
So in some ways, Kvorkian is a hero.
I certainly don't want what Kvorkian is doing to become the way it is done.
There needs to be structure.
There needs to be several doctors that concur.
There needs to be eventually, and Kvorkian even agrees with this, there needs to be a lot of safeguards in place so that we don't begin to get murders, convenient dispositions of the older and no longer enjoyed, you know, that sort of thing.
And that's the slippery slope that you've got to worry about.
But as a general rule, I believe that it is our life, your life, my life, and I don't want anybody, not the government, not anybody else, telling me what to do with it.
And when the pain and suffering has gone on and the hospital expense long enough.
I've got more on this in a moment.
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I think what he's doing is trying to create a debate.
He's certainly accomplished that.
I do think that my life is my own.
And toward the end, if I decided that I wasn't going to...
Everybody's out there freaking out over Medicare right now.
One-third of the total $200 billion yearly expenditure on Medicare is spent in the last 10 days of anybody's life, the last 10 days, keeping them awake, many times not even awake, not conscious, but alive, ticking, drawing, like the chupacabra draws blood from a goat, the money from the family and the heirs and the estate, and keeping them alive for what?
Now, I think it should be a person's choice.
You want to spend all your money to stay alive a few more days?
That's fine.
You go right ahead and do it.
I might make a different choice, and I'm not even saying I would.
But I would say don't try and stand in my way, or you might be tread upon as you try.
And certainly the government shouldn't.
If I decide that I'm going to end my life because I'm in horrible, mind-wracking pain, or even if I decide that my life has lost its usefulness and I wish to end it, I know you might say I'm wrong, but I don't care.
It's my life.
It's not yours.
It's not President Clinton's.
It's not the Wannabe President Dole's.
It's my life.
For whatever that's worth, and I will make that decision.
Simple as that.
There's a lot of libertarian in me.
Conservative economically, to some degree politically, but more of a libertarian.
There's a lot of libertarian in me, and this is one area where it really comes out.
Nobody stands in my way.
Now, if society wants to debate this and come up with a way for it to be done where there's safeguards in place, that's how it ought to be done.
Not Kvorkian's way.
But what he is doing is promoting a debate, and I guess it's time we had one.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hello.
This is Edward in Salt Lake City.
Hi.
Boy, I tried to get through the night you had Dr. Pierce on.
You didn't take any calls that night with him.
And then again to talk to your skin head.
I have to come at that not to avoid your last topic there, but you know, I have to come at the white supremacist stuff from another angle because I was raised in that crap for quite a while in my life.
My grandfather never did believe there was a Holocaust.
He was a German immigrant.
My father eventually accepted it, but I had to learn that for myself in school.
Well, when you embrace it, when you believe it, then you have to accept some genetic shame, I guess.
And so the inclination is not to do that.
unidentified
Yes, and, you know, having seen my father involved, both as, you know, he was a good American as far as most things went, very active politically.
But then I also saw him involved.
I mean, I met Joe Clark in Denver, you know, the sheriff that stopped the Civil Rights March, and Barry Goldwater and all kinds of people.
But those things all blended together in those days, but there were still a lot of people that didn't, you know, a lot of old people that could not accept things.
Now I think it's a different problem because I think that most of the population should be a lot more educated about...
is is more organized as if it's being agitated a lot i i think your point look i really take your point to heart sir and i hope everybody else listening does too i tend to agree this is not your your granddad's racism.
This is something new.
What do I mean by that?
Racism is racism.
Well, not exactly.
this is born of some new center this is born of some new This is something new.
This is a new kind of hatred.
And it's hard to even, frankly, put into words because I don't know where it comes from.
Maybe some of you can help, but whatever it is, there is a new source for it.
Here's a facts I just got, too.
Cyber snobbery.
Hi, Art.
It's been quite a while since I put in my two cents worth, and I thought this would be a good time to do it.
I started out on AOL and was with them for three or four months before switching to a direct internet provider.
Most of the people I know also began on AOL or one of the other online providers.
I found that while AOL was very user-friendly, especially for a beginner, it and the other online providers are very cost-prohibitive, I'll get it, if you have more than just a passing interest in the Internet.
They tend to be quite slow, comparatively, and that clock is always ticking.
However, I was really amazed at the near hatred for AOLers expressed by those on the Internet who are so much more, quote, cool, end quote, and quote, with it, end quote, because they have a direct provider.
Granted, AOLers are lacking in net etiquette and common courtesy, but they sure don't have any corner on that market.
It seems to me that it'd be a lot more helpful and beneficial to all of us that enjoy cyberspace if a little more of welcome aboard attitude was expressed by those with more experience instead of this holier than thou attitude that seems to be prevalent.
Besides, as you know, many people simply do not have the option of going with a direct provider because of their geographical location or other reasons.
Doesn't make any sense to me either, and yet they are, and they appear to be growing.
And as I discussed with another caller, very insightful a few moments ago, this racism today, this hatred we've got today, appears to me now that I think about it, to be very sourced in a very different way than the old stuff, you know, granddad's racism in the South.
It's not like that.
This is new, and it's different.
unidentified
Right, right.
I think that has a lot to do with people just hiding hate behind religion, once again.
If I go on any of the other many services, I enjoy it.
I like cyberspace, all of it.
And I, you know, maybe it's symptomatic.
I mean, here we are again.
All of this divisiveness and hatred in cyberspace and snobbery, whatever you want to call it, I think it's ridiculous and a waste of time.
It's really very much like racism or feelings of superiority, white superiority.
It's a big waste of time and energy.
Why can't you enjoy it where you are?
Why do you spend all the time hating others, hating other avenues?
Let it be.
They all serve their purpose.
AOL, for example, gets people into and holds on to many of them.
It gets them into cyberspace when otherwise they wouldn't begin to know how to deal with some other type of provider where they aren't ready for it.
So, you know, in every aspect of life, and this is just one that I'm in, so I happen to notice it very much, hatreds and animosities and differences are on the increase.
It's going to get us, I'm telling you.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Well, I would like to make a comment about what they said about discipline being the reason for people to be more superior, but that was what Hitler had, right down to the honey.
And the other thing I'd like to mention is that I'm Arian.
I live in neighborhoods all colors, and I feel closer to them.
I mean, I'm more safe with some of them in my neighborhood than I'm with my own Aryan class, because there is always a chicken in the hen house that gets picked to death by the rest of the chickens.
As you know, if you ever heard the story about farming, chickens do pick on one chicken, and they pick on it until there's a bloody mess and it dies.
And you know, our society represents that very much.
If we haven't got superiority somewhere and someone to peck at, you see?
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unidentified
Wow.
Okay, great.
Now, here's, I got a suggestion for you.
I want to run this by you.
How about having a roundtable or like a conference call with, say, Ed Dames, Richard Hoagland, Michael Lindemann, you can pick any one of that, you know, any number of that group.
And I think that having Richard Oagland, who does a lot of work on Mars and the Moon, would not be the person to have on with Major Deems.
What I want to do Friday night, Saturday morning is to, we'll have enough time, and I want to give you all more of an idea of what remote viewing is.
A lot of people don't understand what SciTech is, what he did for the military, and what he's doing now in civilian life, and then that will put into perspective for you what he says is going to occur.
One, it's about LSD, actually, but they get into some really strange things about the CIA.
It's called Acid Dreams.
It's by a man named Bruce Cheyenne, I think his name is.
But they get into some real interesting things about the CIA involvement in things like the SDS and the Weatherman and all the big activist groups in the late 60s.
And it was saying they found documents saying like one in six of the demonstrators at the Democratic Convention in Chicago was actually either hired by the CIA or paid by them, you know, to cause trouble.
And I started looking at that and I started looking at like the LA riots and other things.
And what I'm starting to see is like you have all these people blaming each other and somebody gets them to point the finger and that they're so caught up in this race deal where they've got to attack and hate each other that they miss the point.
And things like terrible social programs and eugenics programs and stuff are just going straight by them and they never see it.
They're so focused on hating blacks or white and blacks hanging whites, it's just getting to the point where you wonder if there's not a different agenda.