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June 10, 1996 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Charles Watson - Earthquakes
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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these zillions of time zones.
From the Hawaiian and Tahitian island chains in the west, east to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the pole, And then a little jog out to the west to the Aleutian Islands.
And I had a reason for saying that.
And worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM underway for another week.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell, and it's great to be here.
My fax machine earlier today began lighting up like a Christmas tree.
There have been... Well, we'll find out how many.
But some very, very serious earthquakes in the Aleutian Island chain.
And so, it was a good opportunity to bring Charles Watson on again.
He is a consulting geologist.
This morning, he will consult with us.
He's the owner of the geologic consulting firm, Advanced Geologic Exploration in Reno.
Founded in 1987, primary services include SeismoWatch, And earthquake information and services, or earthquake information and services, I guess I have to say, which include a weekly earthquake graphic in 27 newspapers in California, Nevada, Utah, soon in Washington.
Publishing the Seismo Watch newsletter, a comprehensive bulletin of weekly regional and worldwide earthquake info.
Earthquake alert bulletins, a rapid source of earthquake information via fax and email.
And that's part of what lit up my facts earlier today.
And the Seismo Watch web page, which is www.seismo-watch.com.
www.seismo-watch.com.
She's got a web page.
That's great.
So in a moment, we will talk with a geologist about what in the world is going on in the Aleutians.
It has been since I last talked with you.
It is an absolutely amazing chain of events for a chain of islands.
And we'll get to that in a moment.
listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
tonight featuring coast to coast a m from june tenth nineteen ninety six
do you remember my friend lynn whitlake who very much like me
frankly loves uh...
violent weather you.
Now, I know a lot of people can't understand that, but we used to chase tornadoes, and Lynn has a passion for tornadoes.
Well, Charles Watson is the equivalent of Lynn Whitlake with regard to earthquakes.
Let me read you what he wrote.
I've had the opportunity to ride through a few strong earthquakes and witness the Mount St.
Helens volcanic eruptions.
I'm probably different than most people in that when an earthquake begins, I get charged with excitement.
My eyes begin searching everywhere for the effects, the motion of the ground, the buildings, trees, people, etc.
Taking it all in as though I was a kid in a candy shop with 20 bucks to spend.
It's the Earth's dynamic physical process in action.
These are the things I live for.
I guess that's why I'm a geologist.
I understand that kind of passion, Charles.
Believe me, I share it.
If not for earthquakes, then for violent storms and tornadoes, but I understand the passion.
A lot of people don't.
They probably think you're very weird, don't they?
I suspect they're probably a few.
Nevertheless, it makes for good radio, and when somebody really enjoys what they do, I do, and I know you do, and so what the hell's going on in the Aleutians?
It's come unglued, Art.
This is a major quake.
The USGS and Harvard just released the moment magnitude for this quake to be 7.9.
Woo!
Yeah, so they upped it a few points from the 7.7 they released earlier.
Uh-huh.
So this is a major quake.
Not everybody knows where the Aleutians are.
Where are the Aleutians?
The Aleutians are a string of islands that stretch between Alaska and the Kamchatka Peninsula and eastern Russia.
Hmm.
The Bering Sea on one side and the Pacific Ocean on the other.
It's where the Pacific plate is being forced under the North American plate rather brutally.
And every now and again it sticks and jars and spits and sputters and then finally it just goes.
Well, now and again is now.
Yeah.
She's going.
It's now.
What has happened and over what period of time?
Well, a quake happened last night, Alaskan Standard Time, or Aleutian Standard Time, about 8.04, 8.03 p.m.
It initially began at the eastern portion, excuse me, the western portion of the Andrianoff Islands.
The way they've kind of grouped these islands, little clusters of them occur.
Head down the Alaska Peninsula, there's the Fox Island chain, there's the Andrianov Islands, the Rat Islands, the Near Islands, then the Russian Islands take over, which is the Komondorsky.
Then you get into the Kamchatka Peninsula.
It's about right in the center of the main Aleutian Islands.
In this little Aleutian Islands, it's a little group of islands called Andrianov.
This place just got rock and rolled.
There's not much out there, Art.
I understand.
Yeah.
It's pretty brutal weather out there.
Most of these islands are volcanic islands in origin.
And they spit and sputter every now and again.
But the earthquakes are what really take off.
How unusual is this?
Well, there's been quite a few earthquakes in this century out there.
Mostly beginning about 1957 with the Great Aleutian 9.1 quake.
This was the mother of all quakes, aside from the Alaska 64 quake.
Did you say 9.1?
9.1, 1957.
Okay.
That's a big earthquake.
Yeah.
The 64, the great Alaska earthquake, measured 9.2.
These are moment magnitudes.
This is calculated on the length of the rupture of the the fall of the ruptures and the amount of force, the
energy that's released.
So those are some of the two largest quakes that have ever struck the world this century.
They fall second and third only from the Great Chilean Quake, which was 1960. It measured 9.6.
Yeah, that's a big quake.
I know a little bit about the Richter scale and how the magnitude increases,
and anything over 9 is like a hydrogen bomb going off.
Anything over an eighth is pretty large, Art.
So, with the Andreon off-quake, we're pushing, you know, the envelope here.
Alright, how many quakes have there been, roughly, since the first whiz-banger?
Well, there have been thousands so far.
Thousands.
Yeah, thousands.
These range from little magnitudes to magnitudes.
The largest aftershock was 7.2.
I don't have a moment magnitude for that one yet, but it occurred about 12 hours after the initial jolt.
There hasn't been any 6.0s yet, so it's been about a dozen, maybe a little more than a dozen 5s.
About four or five dozen fours.
When earthquakes, aftershock sequences happen this fast, it's tough to get reliable information.
Are there any research centers out there, you know, sort of isolated military outposts or anything at all there?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, there's the ADAC Naval Station out there.
ADAC, yeah.
Yeah, ADAC.
It's right there within the rupture zone.
Uh-huh.
They'd be an interesting group to talk to right now, wouldn't they?
Well, I doubt if you'd get anything, you know.
It's national security.
They're going to say, no damage.
We felt nothing.
Right.
Oh, no, they felt it strongly, but no damage.
I imagine over a period of a month or so, some information will come out that those poor cinder walls were knocked flat or something.
I don't know.
How do we then tie that to when California falls in the ocean?
I don't know.
I've got to tell you, Art, this has been real exciting for the month of June.
We normally issue about 20 bulletins a month on an average.
For the first 10 days, I've issued 22 so far in the month of June.
It's really coming unglued.
Let me give you some numbers real quick.
In January, there were 10 clicks measuring 6.0 or larger.
Okay.
In February, there were 20.
In March, there were 15.
In April, there were 7.
In May, there were 7.
And already, in the month of June, there are 8 in the first 10 days.
So, what it kind of says is that February and March were kind of a high cycle.
You know, if you look at earthquake cycles, you don't want to look too closely at them, but, you know, just kind of generally you can kind of arm wave and say, Well, gosh, February there were 20, and March there were 15.
That's pretty robust.
When you track them this way, can you discern any pattern?
Is there any pattern as far back as you can look?
I don't know how far back you can look, but is there a discernible pattern?
Oh, yeah.
Well, following April and May, I can say that definitely we're on an up-swing in seismicity.
There are things happening now that it's mind-boggling.
And this is what happened in 1995, when we had the most 6.0s ever recorded during a year.
And we got 192, and I know I left a couple of them out, and there could be over 200 of them once all the final analyses are done.
Yikes.
And that's impressive.
That's really impressive.
What does history tell you about what will happen next?
Will this be followed by something You know, that's really hard to say.
You know, I've looked at some of the data and it says that sometimes it gets, you know, seismicity starts ringing like a bell.
The planet starts popping them off right and left, but other times it just gets quiet again.
It's just like the twig breaks and the forest gets quiet.
But other times it's like a herd of buffaloes running through.
That's this moment.
When will we get to the point, do you think we'll ever get to the point, Charles, where as we get a weather forecast, as problematic as it might be regarding correctness for any given time, we'll get an earthquake forecast?
I hope so.
I'm looking for that.
I think that there's real good potential.
There's some cutting-edge scientists working on a lot of different avenues for doing this.
I think that the larger database we can put together, the more frequency... I mean, people are right on my tails.
I mean, I'm... Well, let me compare it, Charles, to the weather.
You know, when you watch the weather at night and they've got a tornado box, you know, they've computed where the hot and cold weather are going to clash, where conditions are going to be right, and they put a box in there and talk about violent weather.
Maybe with damaging hail, high winds, tornadoes.
Couldn't we get to the point where a box like that could be drawn for earthquake probability?
I hope that sometime in the future we can get to that point.
I really do.
I think that you can see seismic gaps right now for certain areas, notably like the Hayward Fault.
Oh yes, the Hayward Fault.
A lot of people have been writing to me about the Hayward Fault.
What's going on with that?
And a lot of people, of course, are very concerned with Hayward.
Yeah, yeah, it's a very active area.
I grew up near Hayward, so I've got some local interest there.
Huh.
And so it's, actually it's really seismically, it's somewhat doing its normal thing.
It's got a couple of minor clicks every now and again.
Someone sent me, oh I know what it was, I remember now.
Somebody sent me a piece of email that said, the Hayward fault, which is normally just sort of sludging along at a slow pace, Has been lunging.
Did you hear anything about that?
Yeah, there was a creep meter.
Creep meters measure the soil displacement across the fault.
What's happening in the near surface.
Like 10 meters or so.
Top 30 feet.
And usually this moves right after rainstorms.
You wet the ground, the ground gets wet.
And then the friction gives way and it kind of surges maybe a centimeter or two.
Sure.
I mean a centimeter surge really isn't a whole lot.
But what happened was there was something like 17 centimeters that surged during a brief two to three week period down near South Fremont someplace.
I forget exactly where.
But it was something like 2,000% over normal and people got kind of concerned.
One report said that a utility line, a water line, was fractured during this surge.
That's nothing people feel, though, because... No, no.
It's a real slow, perceptible process.
But you talk to geologists and they'll look at these gauges and monitors and just, like it's happening in almost real time, just jump up and down.
But it takes a couple days to actually occur.
Would you say that that Well, personally, I look at that and I go, well, that's different than what happened before.
Something's changed.
Well, personally, I look at that and I go, well, that's different than what happened
before.
Something's changed.
And the top USGS seismologists are saying that the seismic shadow, which is kind of
a strained shadow, was placed from the Woma Pre-8 earthquake in 1989.
It kind of relieved the strain along the Hayward Fault.
All the micro-earthquakes slowed down.
But they're saying now that perhaps that shadow has kind of gone away.
You know, we can expect to start seeing increased seismicity in that direction again.
In the Calaveras Fault, which is, you know, another offshoot of the Hayward, just a little bit to the east, is another one of equally high importance.
It's got just as long a possible rupture zone, and it cuts through towns like Danville, Pleasanton, Fennel, I mean some areas which are heavily populated.
Alright, I want to test your craziness quotient here.
If you knew, this will be a several part question, if you knew where there was going to be a 6.0 earthquake, and you knew for sure where it was going to be, and you knew where the exact epicenter was going to be, and you were certain of this, would you go stand on the epicenter?
Yeah.
You would?
Yeah, I'd definitely be outside though.
I wouldn't be in any tall buildings.
I understand.
But yeah, if I could go outside, If I could be outside and an earthquake were to happen, it's exciting.
It's exhilarating.
Now, I understand that because I chase storms, tornadoes.
Now, this is a multi-part question.
6.0, would you go stand at the epicenter at 7.0?
Yeah. 8.0?
Yeah.
Nine.
Well, I wouldn't be standing at a nine.
I think I'd take a seat and... I wanted to see where your breaking point might be here.
I wouldn't want to be around any trees or any hillsides and a quake like that.
So you would increasingly then pick your point of observation more carefully.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a key to that, Art.
Well, there are scientists who have predicted some earthquakes, sometimes successfully, and I wonder if they go sit on the, or stand on the, what they conclude is going to be the epicenter and check it out.
Alright, listen Charles, hold on, I'll be back to you in just a moment.
We've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
And again, we've got Charles here because there has been an incredible series of earthquakes In the Aleutian Islands.
Way out there.
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Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Here we go again.
I'm going to give you an opportunity to ask Charles Watson, consulting geologist, a question in a moment.
So, if you've got something you would like to ask about earthquakes, now would be a good time to do it.
All right, now back to Charles Watson.
Charles, are you there?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
So you would not care then to try your predictive powers, I take it, and tell us where or what you expect from here with this.
In other words, more in the islands?
Will it move around the Ring of Fire?
What do you think?
Well, you know, one of the good things about being in the public eye like I am is that I try not to do the predicting things.
I leave that up to Gordon and some other people.
But what I do is I just kind of keep track of everything for everybody.
And so what I've been doing is just putting together one of the best archive resources around for earthquakes.
It's the only private or corporate kind of thing that we've got going besides USGS.
And some people, what I do is I kind of review everything a little bit more, you know, kind of gather information from a lot of different sources.
I really like your fax service.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I get information from you, boom, just like that.
Oh, by the way, this Aleutian quake, how deep was it?
Well, there have been two estimates, both of which are really shallow.
USGS put it at about 6 kilometers.
For a thrusting kind of earthquake, that's really shallow.
I can't see those boys on a deck, you know, staying on their feet.
But the Harvard group put it at about 24 kilometers, which probably may be more realistic.
Anyway, it ruptured 100 miles.
Wow!
Yeah, it went about 100 miles and it's fairly outstanding.
Well, they can hear us very well out on ADEC.
Really, they can.
I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
I don't know why I'm going to do it, but I'm going to try.
I'm going to open my West of the Rockies line and restrict it to the Aleutians.
Well, maybe I have had a call from the Aleutians, but it would be interesting, wouldn't it?
Yeah, I would love to get some first-hand reports from people that are out on the Aleutians.
This would have been felt how far away?
Oh, probably a couple hundred miles.
But, you know, when you're out in the middle of the Pacific, like it is, there's not a whole lot of establishments out there.
All right, let me try this.
If you're west of the Rockies, everybody hang up.
And let me hold my toll-free line open for anybody out in the Aleutians.
I'm not sure this is going to work.
Gee, can they call in the toll-free line?
Yeah, they should be able to.
Try it.
The Aleutian Island chain only.
And we'll see if a call can come through from there.
I rather doubt it.
Charles, are you there?
Oh, yeah.
Alright, let's... I got some interesting stuff about this quake.
Oh?
Yeah, one of the things that's really interesting is that it re-ruptured the same area that ruptured in 1986.
Okay, this is one of the... It's very strange that you get, you know, a huge subduction zone like the Aleutian Islands to Rupture in the same spot in about 10 years, period.
But what's really interesting is the same spot also ruptured back in 1955.
Or excuse me, 1957.
And so this area, just right off the Andrianoff Islands, has just been a rocking and rolling kind of place.
And there are several other areas along the trench, along the Aleutian Islands, that You know, that they have these seismic gaps that everybody thought, a lot of the seismologists thought, that if you're going to get a major earthquake, it's going to be in the Shumagan Islands, for example, or along the Alaska Peninsula, which last ruptured in 1938.
Charles, if you go way back, is this because the continents were connected and they're pulling apart, or what's the big picture?
Well, the big picture is that the Pacific Plate is just moving northward, just like it's moving northward off the coast of of California and Central North America.
It's moving northward and displacing rocks and pushing, so it's got to butt up against something.
What it has is the North America plate kind of sticks out across the Bering Sea and kind of wraps around towards Siberia and down into Japan.
The Pacific plate is being forced underneath the North American plate.
Right in the Andrianov Islands Something happens to the plate.
It doesn't go down smoothly.
There's a very strange transition in which it dives very shallowly, and then it steepens up real radically.
And there's a lot of seismicity related to that real steepening area.
All right, let's give it a try.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Where are you calling from, please?
Kodiak Island, Alaska.
Art, how are you doing tonight?
Fine.
Kodiak Island, huh?
Yeah, we're at the beginning.
You're at the beginning of the Aleutians.
Pretty much.
What can you tell us?
Well, I do have some other information for you.
We've actually had three earthquakes that began on Saturday, and the first one was 6.3, and then one Sunday evening at 8.03, and then one this morning.
And I was just curious if it could be related to the volcano at Akutan in any way?
Charles?
Yeah.
Could it be?
I haven't heard from my buddies about the volcanoes doing anything unusual.
I imagine at the end of tomorrow we'll get some information on what's happening with the volcanoes.
Because sometimes when you get big quakes, they do, like shaking a can of warm soda pop, you know, they just go fizz.
Right, we had gotten some tsunami warnings here in Kodiak, but they had all been cancelled luckily, so it didn't generate a very big wave, about a two-footer over there around Adak or so.
That's right, right, and it really dissipated quickly.
Yep, so we were lucky this time, but have to wait and see what happens.
All right, thank you.
Let's continue to try to do that.
Well, we got pretty close there.
Well, without being able to forecast, Charles, it's sort of whatever is going to happen is going to happen, eh?
Well, you know something, Art?
It's been really kind of interesting what's happening on the micro-seismic level.
When you look at April and May, seismicity worldwide just dropped.
Real large earthquakes just dropped like a rock.
There was nothing going on.
But at the same time, micro-seismicity in North America increased substantially.
This is when we got the 4.7 San Jose earthquake.
4.7 San Jose earthquake, this is when we got the 5.4, 5.2 Duval earthquake in Washington.
There's a 4.0 in Chalice, Idaho, a 4.3 in the Wyoming-Idaho border.
Yellowstone started picking up.
Oh, and even interesting, for all you listeners on the East Coast, we have a map of the St.
Lawrence Seaway, the seismicity in the Upper New England, Southeastern Canada, and the activity nearly tripled in that area during this time, and it's still active there.
So, I mean, they've been getting little quakes over there in Maine and New Hampshire, and the western Quebec seismic zone has been quiet, but the upper St.
Lawrence has been... Oops, oops, oops, oops, oops.
It looks like we lost Charles.
So what I'm going to do here is take a very quick break.
I'm going to, um, uh, get Charles back online.
I don't know how that happened, but it happens every now and then.
The phone company just goes... That's it.
Line finished.
Click.
So we'll be right back.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Alright, now, uh, I believe that we've got him back again.
Charles, are you there?
Yes, I am.
Sorry about that.
Every now and then, as I said, the phone company just decides, this line is no longer viable.
Click.
I think I may have somebody else in the ADAC chain.
Let's find out.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
Where are you, sir?
Fort Baller.
Where is that?
Well, it's one of the Fox Islands.
I'm not sure of the name of the island, actually.
Did you feel the click?
Oh yeah.
Really?
Yeah, good shaker.
We had a tsunami warning, which is a tidal wave.
The Alaska Tsunami Warning Center made a big warning deal last night, but now it's like it never happened, it never came to pass.
Right.
Have you had any word from any of the personnel over there on ADAC?
No, I haven't heard anything from it, other than what I hear on the radio, the news.
Where are you in the chain of islands?
Well, it's a little bit west of Dutch Harbor.
They're the Fox Islands.
I forget the name of the actual island.
Is it Umniak?
Umniak, is that right?
Yeah, there's so many.
So you know where it'd be roughly, Charles?
Yeah, it's in the eastern portion of the Aleutian chain.
Well, we very much appreciate it, and you say you felt it go.
I woke up, and nothing wakes me up except your show.
All right, well, we deeply appreciate the call, and keep your feet on the ground.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, see you.
There's, again, the Aleutians.
We're getting the eastern portion of the Aleutians anyway.
They had a couple of quakes back there in Fox Island about two months back.
There have been a lot of volcanoes that have come right up to the edge, aren't there?
Yeah.
It's been interesting following the news on volcanoes.
It's hard to get it, but every year it gets better and better as worldwide internet services get better.
Recently, there's been a new program to get the Kamchatka volcanoes.
These volcanoes are very active.
They're steaming and smoking all the time.
That's now become almost a weekly report, which is now available from the Alaska Volcanic Observatory.
What kind of causal relationship is there?
Is there one between volcanic action and earthquakes?
Do we know for sure, or do we guess?
Well, the most famous one is the Mount St.
Helens one, I guess.
You know, you have the 5-3 earthquake that caused the landslide.
Right.
And, ba-voom!
And that's probably one of the most famous current earthquakes that shook a volcano into action.
The Hawaiian Islands.
I guess I want to ask this.
Do you think there is some sort of direct connection, or do you think it's a causal relationship?
In other words, earthquake goes, It causes a rupture or the beginning of something in a volcano, or do you think there's some sort of direct connection with underground magma?
Well, it's kind of a symbiotic relationship, Art.
Sometimes the volcano just gets active, and it produces earthquakes.
Sometimes the earthquakes get strong.
Other times, strong earthquakes cause the volcano to get active.
You know, remember the Mammoth Lakes thing?
You can get swarms happening without Really a lot of magma moving.
Could there ever be such a thing as a geological domino falling?
In other words, could it ever really get going and there would just be many, many severe things that would all set each other off in an ever-increasing cascade?
Yeah, there's been some really neat articles coming out about Cascade Theory.
Really?
Oh yeah.
I hadn't read any, that was just a guess.
No, they call it Cascade Theory and it's kind of like a zipper happening.
The fault kind of zips, you know, it kind of chugs and goes and one quake kind of spurs on the next quake that spurs on the next quake that gets a big one going and after a while After it's all over and done with, you've got 300 miles of rupture.
This is what they kind of fear for the San Andreas at some point in time.
Could it be possible that you get the huge mega quake?
I attended a prominent seismological association meeting in St.
Louis back in the spring in which this was a major topic.
It was the first time I'd ever heard a top level seismologist discussing what they called M. Godawful, which is the huge quake that everybody kind of doesn't want to talk about.
Yeah, doesn't want to talk about is right.
But had what occurred in the Aleutians occurred in L.A., what would it be going on today, just as a matter of interest?
Well, it could be a lot of business opportunities going on.
It'd be a lot of havoc, I think.
It'd be a very disastrous sort of affair.
For a lot of people, I believe.
All right.
Well, I've watched the Orient.
We went through a whole giant spate of quakes there, Japan, north of Japan, then down near the Indian Ocean, and even in South America now, in Alaska.
So all these areas have been so active at various times, and yet the West Coast Even though it's had a couple minor or mid-level occurrences, really more minor, has not let loose.
Are we due?
Oh, yeah.
It's a good time to be into earthquake reporting, Art.
I mean, from a geologist's point of view, this is really exciting.
Yeah, I guess it is.
Because it's really happening now.
This is what's going on.
When I look at North America, when I look at the western coast of North America, even inland, the Rocky Mountains region, all the way to the east coast, and I look at past seismicity patterns, it doesn't seem like they match.
Something's gone really quiet.
It looks like we should be having a few more of these sixes and sevens happening, but they're not happening.
So you tap your finger and you go, when are they going to occur?
Yeah, when it goes quiet.
And it stays quiet for a long time in a particular area.
Is there more reason to be then concerned, do you think?
Is that a reasonable assumption?
Yeah, yeah.
Standard plate tectonics says that the plates are in constant motion, and so that you always have these plates that are moving, and they have to relieve the strain of You know they bind and they don't quite move and they build up strain and then they go.
And so that process of building strain is always going on.
Places like Parkfield or a famous place called San Juan Bautista along the San Andreas Falls.
I know where it is.
They have active creep in which they get a few dozen ones, twos and threes each week.
We've got a newspaper down there that we submit Alright, listen, we've got to get going, and now I will get back to you as events dictate.
This is very interesting in the Aleutians though, Charles.
I want to thank you for coming on.
Tell people how to get involved with your fax setup.
I love that.
Yeah, if they'd like to get a fax, they can call us at 1-800-852-2960 and request a fax
bulletin.
And we can send those out to them and see if they like those.
We also do email.
Alright.
They can go visit our webpage at www.seismo-watch.com and they can leave me or our group a message that they'd like to receive.
These bulletins.
Alright, but I really, really, really love your fax service.
I mean, I get boom!
An earthquake occurs and I've got a nice A drawing of the world geography shows me just where it is and all the information about it.
That's 1-800-852-2960, right?
That's it.
All right.
Charles, I want to thank you for being here.
And we're going to all watch this very, very carefully and see where it goes from here.
And if it does go from here, we'll have you back on.
Talk to you the next Quaker.
Take care, Charles.
He's our earthquake reporter.
He's a geologist, consulting geologist, Charles Watson.
And when it shakes, he's here, as sort of part of the show.
So I thought I'd catch you up with what's been going on in the Aleutians.
You never know.
The trip back in time continues, with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
More, somewhere in time, coming up.
Never look back, baby I'm coming.
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The wind is blowing, the rain is falling,
the rain is falling.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
The following is entitled, The Clinton's High Flight.
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of truth and danced the lies of laughter's tainted wings.
To the White House I've climbed and joined the tumbling troupe of fatuous fools and done a hundred things you have not dreamed of.
Wheeled and soared and swung high in the motel-like obscurity.
Hovering there, I've chased the shouted big lie along and led the eager Hillary through footless halls of air.
Down, down the long delirious depths of sleazy grace, where never eagle nor even bat flew.
And while, with empty, sinking mind, I've trod the low-trespassed sanctity of faith, Put out my arms and kissed the lips of Marx.
That's the Clinton's high flight.
And somebody, uh, somebody sent me a CIA license plate.
It's really cool.
This says, hello Art.
Of course you can put your nice new CIA license plate on your vehicle and drive around.
Please bear in mind, though, you must first obtain a jet black four-door sedan.
Then, place your CIA license plate on the vehicle and presto, you then have a choice of using a JATO when chased by a cop or leaving it home.
However, you also need a genuine, unadulterated CIA get-out-of-jail-free card.
Also, you must dress up in a black suit, black socks, and black tie.
Don't forget the dark sunglasses.
This should also allow you to carry automatic weapons, as well as a couple of grenades right there on the front seat of your untouchable black sedan as you Drive around terrifying little old ladies and their dogs.
Think about the publicity you'll generate, plus the new sinister wave of MIB, men in black, reports that you will be responsible for creating.
Have fun, Dave.
Well, somehow I just don't think it would be very impressive on my Metro.
So I can't do it there.
I'm not going to do it.
And yeah, I guess the CIA plate on the Metro wouldn't carry much weight at all, even if I had the rest of the outfit, you know, the sunglasses and everything else.
West of the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Going once.
Going twice.
Gone.
East of the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Art Bell?
That would be me.
This is Jeff in Houston.
Hi, Jeff.
Hi.
Do you want some information about the Identity Christian?
Well, okay.
We just had some.
What I would really like to know, Jeff, if you know something about them, is... Well, I myself am an Identity Christian.
I see.
I'm your National Socialist.
Are you?
Oh, you're a nationalist socialist skinhead.
Yeah, I'm also an identity Christian.
How can you apply Christian principles to the concept of white supremacy?
Well, first off, one of the main concepts of identity Christian is that the Jews are not God's chosen people.
Well, okay.
Whether they are or not, how are whites supreme?
Well, I wasn't calling to get into religious discussion with you, because you don't like Bible verses over there.
Well, I mean, you're the one who started out with the, I'm a Christian identity person.
Alright, so, you're a white supremacist.
Yes, I am.
Even a skinhead.
I'm a white separatist.
Well, now wait a minute.
You moved away from that one pretty quick.
Either you are a white supremacist, which means you believe the white race is supreme.
Well, I feel if I remove myself away from all non-whites, then who do I have to be superior over?
So, therefore, I'm a white separatist.
So, in other words, the only reason you like the other races here is so you can feel superior?
No, I don't like the other races here, period.
You don't?
Yeah, and the race war is coming.
But my point of the call was... But if they were gone, then who would you hate?
Huh?
I don't hate anybody, except for the Jews, for what they did to my savior.
You hate the Jews?
Okay, my point of the call was, Art, was to contact Pastor Butler at the Church of Jesus Christ Christian and Aryan Nations, and he You could maybe even have him as a guest on your show, like you did William Pierce.
But the whole thing sounds so totally ridiculous to me.
Maybe I should have him as a guest.
Maybe I should just try and find out again.
Thanks for the call.
But I think you sort of self-destructed a little bit.
Because it's my understanding that white supremacy, not separatism, but supremacy, Is the ideology that they claim, and they apply, somehow they apply Christian principle and doctrine to this, I don't know how.
I guess they figure maybe God's white.
You ever think about that, whether God's white?
What color God is?
You really think God has a color?
Oh yeah, lily white's gotta be lily white, right?
Oh, come on.
Sheesh.
How can people believe this stuff, and yet they do?
Oh, they do.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, hello, Art.
How are you?
Very good.
Yeah, I'm calling from Talmadge, Ohio.
Oh, Talmadge, Ohio?
Talmadge, Ohio.
Yeah, a little suburb between Cleveland and somewhere else.
Oh, very good.
Cleveland and the Cows.
All right.
Yes.
Yeah, these whites are hermitous dudes, I'll tell you what.
I don't know what, you know?
Guy, if God is love, no one is supreme but the man who gave us love.
You know?
What can you say?
Well, I don't know.
I can't figure out this whole movement.
The whole movement doesn't make sense to me.
This whole movement is based on a false premise.
And you know what?
It may be getting worse, sir.
I mean, this black church burning thing.
uh... if it's not a conspiracy that it's even worse when you mentioned uh...
uh... the other day i'm uh... talk to show you mentioned uh... dr pierre
yes you know who wrote that infamous book yes actually on i'd i'd believe you
probably read the book the turner diaries real
now which is uh... i mean even even in a uh...
editorial practice that they're written mhm
You know, it's nothing spectacular.
I mean, if you want to talk about something like the CNN expose, which was done last week on the book, are you familiar with that?
Patriots and Prophets?
Yes, yes, correct.
You know, unfortunately, I think they kind of missed the point.
They spent so much emphasis on how the book influences people in a negative way as well as
this book.
In other words, they gave the book more appeal than it probably deserves.
Because, like I said, as far as books go, and as far as the idea goes, both of them are nonsensical.
Well, the problem with it is, sir, thank you, if you listen to Dr. Pierce,
his delivery was literate, articulate, carefully presented, and just dangerous as hell because of all of the above.
He is a brilliant man, um, who... You know, I hesitate to use the word evil, but that much intelligence directed, uh, to what I consider to be an evil end is particularly chilling to me.
And I would bet that a lot of the rest of you heard it exactly and feel exactly the same way.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Yeah, I heard.
Hello.
Howdy, this is Bear Paw from Big Lake, Alaska.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I just got back from fighting fires and wondered if you guys heard about our fire up there.
Well, we talked a whole lot about it last week, as a matter of fact.
Well, obviously the people who were fighting the fire at the time were fighting the fire and couldn't call.
But we talked to people all over that area who were within, you know, just a few miles of it or even closer.
Well, you know, this is going to be something that's going to be hard to come out of my mouth, being an anti-government kind of person.
I'm not a Freeman.
I'm definitely a Portman now, though.
We got burnt to the ground with that.
I'm sorry.
That's not a sad thing, because everybody did.
You just don't feel the same when it happens to everybody.
Let me guess, you're going to say something good about the government.
How'd you know?
Just a wild guess.
You know, I was never disappointed in our local government.
I mean, the guys that I thought were in touch with you, they didn't do such a good job.
But when those federal guys came, and those National Guard, I mean, it was just unbelievable how friendly.
I've never met friendlier people.
I mean, you know, you can't get into town to save your out.
They're stopping you at the road and stuff, but that's to save your life.
Yeah.
And they are.
I mean, it's unreal.
You know, I'm I'm with as hostile as you can be as far as trying to be determined to get where I needed to go.
But I mean, no matter no matter what, these people were just friendly, understanding, explaining, honest.
I have yet to hear.
Well, you know what?
That's really good to hear.
That's really good to hear, and I'm glad you called, sir.
You know, just all the people that came here.
And I have to do a lot of rethinking of what my idea of paying taxes were and a lot of
things.
I'd just like to thank a lot of those people.
Well, you know what?
That's really good to hear.
That's really good to hear and I'm glad you called, sir.
Government is not all bad.
And not all government is bad.
And it does do some things pretty well.
what it did in alaska it has done well Actually, if the truth is known, this administration, in responding to disasters and troubles, has been, you know, it's been very responsive.
So, there's somebody who's very anti-government, and just had a different kind of experience, and I'm very glad you called and said it.
Because government is not all bad.
And it's easy to perceive that it is.
is. We'll be back in just one moment.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
♪♪♪ East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, this is Eric in Nashville.
Hello, Eric.
Hey, um, I texted you a long time ago about, um, the tornado in Van Buren.
Yes.
About, um, I don't know, I'd gone through there and I just wrote you a note about, I don't know how it was really bad.
My fiance lived there and how bad it was.
Right.
Well, I went back and got married and I went through the place and she kind of toured me through the area that had been ravaged by the tornado.
Yes.
And it was unbelievable.
Yes.
I mean, you could see the path where it went down the mountain and right through these neighborhoods.
And you could see the houses that were demolished.
I mean, we went through one of the neighborhoods that got hit really bad.
I mean, houses just... Matchsticked.
Yeah, yeah, matchsticked.
I mean, it was really weird because I was going through there and there's all these houses that are just torn to bits.
and they got like uh... state farm
and then they're like address on there because uh... so many you know it's just
a matter of whatever and looking at it but it's kind of a weird comment
on uh...
there's a weird fight to be something like that and um...
just an amazing thing it was like a vacuum cleaner you had gone through there and hit it and uh...
and i i i had been gone for a while i hadn't listened to you or whatever but it was just
an amazing thing to see the forces of nature Mother Nature is amazing, and tornadoes are an amazing part of Mother Nature, and we unusually have most of the world's tornadoes right here.
Yeah, I've noticed that.
Someone had asked a while back when you did this thing about whether or not there are tornadoes in Europe and in big cities.
Very rare.
Yeah, and it was funny how I started thinking about how you'd hear about it in the United States.
I don't know if they really have them in other places.
You know, you just kind of hear about it here or whatever.
Yeah, very, very rare.
Thank you.
Uh, my friend Lynn sent me a tape with, um, two hours of the most spectacular tornado footage, you know, ever captured on film or videotape or whatever.
It is a tape I will treasure.
Uh, it took him a long time to, actually a lifetime to put together and it is incredible.
Just incredible.
A wild card line.
You're on the air.
Hello.
All right.
Yes.
How you doing tonight?
OK.
This is the reverend again from St.
Paul.
I hope I'm not annoying you calling so much.
I just love your show.
And what I wanted to talk about is switches with every color.
Is what?
uh... my pick up a color talk to you about what switches the first but if i
will make us talk about the kentucky derby then someone will call up and say well maybe i don't know i
think i know maybe i should talk about that they were struck about that yes
well bloom but anyway so we were talking
well i would just wanted to tell you something
that uh... but i'm more of but meaning to write to a letter of fact or something
just about uh... to tell you uh... how you can't afford to be motivated my life
I hope you know how to take compliments, don't you?
Not very well, but let's hear it.
I'll try.
Okay.
I just want to say thank you, first off, for opening my mind so much, and you've really influenced me in the direction to move in my life, being a young man at 24.
First, with the quickening, I wasn't even aware of it until I started listening to your show.
Now I see evidence of it all over, including my life, personally.
I personally am going through some spiritual quickening, which I really don't understand, but it's been improving my relationship with what I perceive as God and increasing my understanding.
And a lot of that has to do with you, a lot of it has to do with other things, too, but I've decided to put you in the honor position of my hero.
Oh, my.
Because you do, I mean, I've decided a long time ago that what I want to do with my life is three main things.
Educate, motivate and entertain.
Not only myself, but the public.
And that's something you do for me and to millions of people every night.
And I've long been an opinion ever since I started listening to you.
I know you don't want to do TV, but I think we need someone like you to do TV.
Well, that's good.
Let's find someone like me to do it then.
Yes.
And I guess I've decided I want to try.
I'm my local cable access station.
I put stuff on.
So I think I'm going to start producing a show that deals with the same topics.
Well, that's how I did it.
but probably won't even begin to get the the level where the uh... the gap that
you get on because i realize that you know it takes
coming to be established as well as you are to get those kind of got on but
you know start small cable access and who knows maybe in you know five ten fifteen years ago picked up by a networker
or go on the you know uh...
uh... syndication or well that's how i did it any advice you could give me about that
uh...
yes uh...
Um, decide what it is you're going to do, and then don't deviate from that.
And don't listen to any other of the million program directors that you're going to run into telling you that what you're doing is dumb and will never work.
That's my advice.
In other words, stick to your original founding principles.
Focus and don't change my mind.
That's right.
Focus, focus, focus.
Thank you, Art.
Thank you very much.
You bet.
Take care.
Have a nice day.
That is my advice.
That's what I've done.
Follow your own, you know, it sounds like something out of the Wizard of Oz or something, but follow your original founding principles.
Television, radio, really with any Endeavor.
It doesn't have to be in the broadcast field.
With any endeavor, if you form a company dedicated to quality, then no matter how you grow, you've got to find a way to continue that dedication to quality.
And if you do, you will succeed.
It is as simple as that.
And generally, when people tell you that you can't do what you're doing, if you know they're wrong, then don't listen to them.
One of the biggest mistakes you can make is begin, uh, to begin to listen to people who think they, now that you've achieved some level of success, they are sure they know what you should do.
Well, they don't.
You know what you should do.
You've always known, so keep doing it.
That is my advice, and we'll be right back.
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
I'm going to be playing a song called The Way You Are.
This is a song I wrote in 2014.
It's a song about a man who's been in a car accident and he's been living in a car accident for a long time.
Why don't you ask him if it's all just normal?
I'm going to play a song called The Way You Are.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere In Time.
Somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from June 10th, 1996.
Associated Press article, headline, Huge Quake Rattles Aleutians, No Damage.
It was a huge earthquake, and there have been many, many aftershocks.
The Aleutians are really shaking.
And in the first hour, we had a geologist, Charles Watson, on, talked about it.
Interesting.
I wonder where it goes from here.
He can't tell us.
Maybe one of these days, huh?
Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Ralph, we're not allowed, uh, we're gonna have to start all over again.
The only rule we have here is you're not allowed to put your last name on the air.
Okay.
So let's try it again.
You're calling from Joshua Tree, and you're Ralph.
Okay.
Uh, my name is Ralph.
I'm from Joshua Tree.
Right.
Yes?
Okay, and, um, You just mentioned something about the earthquake that we've been having.
We had an earthquake here in Joshua Tree, if you remember, about a 7.2 or so?
I recall it, yes.
Afterwards, we had a severe smell of sulfur that had come up for a few days, and we were all wondering what it was.
The authorities said it was from the Salton Sea and it had come up into the upper desert up here.
And it had dissipated after a couple of days, but a lot of us knew about it.
It's better than thinking you're about to become a volcano.
Correct.
And I just wanted to bring it to attention that they just had that similar situation happen in L.A.
down there by Burbank in the Glendale area.
of a smell where they were also looking looking for the cause of it and weren't able to find it and after a few days again it disappeared and I wanted to bring it to the attention that to everybody's attention that that after an earthquake I do believe that there are gases that are released and a sulfur smell that they had encountered It's somewhat similar to what happens after an earthquake in a volcanic area.
That's one question.
Another thing that I was thinking about was the church situation.
I do believe the government is correct in their belief that there isn't a conspiracy, because the situation that I was involved with, with the LA burnings, where the The L.A.
riots, sir, yeah.
And what the situation is where they retaliated against a lot of the shop owners that were not blacks and saw that they had been rebuilt basically through the government aids and things like that and loans I think that it's a possibility.
I don't know if you can reflect on this or not, but I think, is it a possibility that they are doing it themselves?
I don't think so, no.
I don't think so at all.
I think that's ridiculous, myself.
Okay.
Okay?
Alright, thank you very much, and I know that there are those out there that are suggesting that, and of course the FBI.
That was one of the complaints I think a lot of the pastors were making.
Yesterday in the news conference, was it the FBI was treating them as though they had been doing it and had been having them take lie detector tests and that sort of thing?
Do I think the blacks are burning their own churches?
No.
I don't.
And of those who have been arrested thus far, have any of them been black?
No.
They're not.
So, that's my answer.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think these pastors are torching their own churches, nor any of the congregation.
I think these things are obviously racially motivated, and those arrested so far have had apparent racial motivation.
If it is not a conspiracy, and it's a general trend, then we're really in trouble.
Really in trouble.
I would much rather believe it to be a conspiracy, Sick.
Besides, what do people think they're going to do?
It's like the guy who sent me the fax.
What do people think they're going to achieve with this?
What's more likely to tick you off than anything else in the whole world?
Somebody burns your church.
I don't care what you believe in or what your religion is.
Whether you're Jew, whether you're a Christian, whether you're Muslim, I don't care what What religion you are?
What's more likely to get you up to fightin' speed than burning your church or your place of worship?
It's ridiculous.
It's gonna have the exact opposite effect, of course.
It's the very worst thing you could do.
Unless your intent, of course, is to create some sort of race war.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey.
Surprised to get through to you.
You only rang three times this time.
Well, you can get lucky.
Got a comment about the white supremist Christians.
I was born and raised in the South and have a strong reason to believe that my father was a Klan member.
And it gives me cold chills when you laugh at the idea because, I don't know if you realize it, but most of your Klan members, historically and currently, Are Christians who believe that they're chosen by God to clean the country up?
Oh, I'm not laughing at it.
I'm disgusted by it.
But it's, you know, it's, uh... I'm disgusted by it.
Yeah.
I mean, how can you, how can you believe whites to be all supreme and, and, and then at the same time be a good Christian?
Or, uh... It doesn't make sense to me.
I don't understand it.
We, right.
But, uh, in between the church bombings in, uh, Birmingham in 67, I think it was, I've forgotten the year, Uh, my father almost threw me out of the house because I had the audacity to be disturbed that children were killed in church.
Really?
I mean, he was so, so pleased with what had happened and so upset with me.
Really?
Oh my God.
That he almost, he would have hit me.
Somebody had to hold him back physically and tell him, she doesn't understand.
Thank God I never understood.
Well, you know, um, let's talk about the Unabomber for a second.
You remember Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber?
His brother, as you know.
Turn him in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you must have had similar thoughts and been troubled in a similar way.
I mean, to imagine your dad was a Klan member, might have been out doing some of this stuff.
Thank God I didn't realize it until after he was dead.
It didn't all come together for me until, you know, I was an adult.
That's why I say probably.
I'm not sure.
I just remember as a small child, Uh, he took me with him a lot of times in the evening when he would go and get together with a bunch of his friends.
And I remember some of the comments I heard and some of the attitudes, which were definitely very, very strongly anti-black, very racist.
And I remember, you know, a couple of things that I was with him at, nothing as obvious as a cross burning, of course, that looking back on it now, I think these must have been Klan meetings, not, you know, the hood and robe Kind of making a point thing, but, you know, just getting together and chewing the fat kind of thing.
No, I understand.
Where are you?
What part of the South?
Okay, I'm in Georgia, but at that time I was born and raised in North Alabama, Coleman County.
Right.
And when I found out that that was one of the places of one of the largest Klan training grounds some years ago, it sort of fell together and I realized, oh my God.
And the irony of it is my mother is part Cherokee.
Who was born and raised in this general area, which means historically, the way the Cherokees survived after the March West was to mix and live with the blacks in the area.
Of course.
So historically, the chances of her not having some black ancestry are slim and none.
Well, how did your dad reconcile that?
Do you know?
I don't know.
I never spoke with him about it and wasn't aware of this until he was alive.
He died in 71.
I don't know.
I was only 15 when he died and never confronted him with a lot of these things.
It just didn't fall together for me until after he was gone.
Is your mother alive?
Yes, she is.
Have you ever talked to her about it?
We don't talk about daddy.
My folks divorced earlier and my father wound up with custody.
Mother, she went through a period of alcoholism and a lot of problems, and she rumors less about the time than I do, which is not much.
I laugh.
It's not funny.
No, it's not.
But I really appreciate your call, and we will continue with this topic.
No, it's not.
There's nothing funny about it at all, except the irony of it, to me, with my No doubt, as some of you would describe, limited understanding of Christianity, how it would fit together with white supremacist beliefs.
I just don't compute that.
I don't think many Christians would.
It's an amazing thing that they can mix the two, and apparently believe that God looks on white people in some favorable, superior way How do you come to believe these things?
I wonder.
I mean, no matter what you might cite in the way of a study about this or that or the bell curve or anything else, you would have to look at, then, the apparent superiority of Asians over whites, intellectually.
How would you account for that?
I mean, the whole thing is just Ridiculous!
So much time in America now appears to be wasted hating.
Hating!
And for anybody to imagine that they would achieve anything, like in the facts, quote, keeping the niggers in their place, end quote, that's insane.
The only thing you do when you burn somebody's place of worship is get them going.
And, uh, make them very, very, very, very angry.
That's a, you know, it's the equivalent of stomping on the flag or something to a patriot.
You don't, you don't do that.
It's a, it's a war cry.
You know, you'll end up with a race war.
Maybe that's what this is all about.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello?
Hello.
Uh, is this Art?
Yes, turn your radio off, please.
It's off.
Okay, well, um, well, I'm calling from Seattle, and I've got a couple of questions.
One, I wanted to ask about Bill and his demon seeds.
Well, they're not here yet.
The only seeds I received are 500-pound pumpkin seeds.
500-pound pumpkin seeds?
That's good.
No, he claims it.
Also, your guest you had last week talking about the churches and taxing them.
Yes.
I'm trying to figure this one out.
He was talking about he thinks he has a sound constitutional ground for that.
That's right.
How?
How did he figure that?
Well, did you listen to the show?
I listened to part of it, and quite honestly, the guy made me so mad.
I see.
Because he's constitutionally speaking of taxing the church.
Well, had you listened to the show, then you would have understood his argument.
I can't see it, though, in that taxation of a church would be the state getting involved in the church's business.
In the Constitution, our founding forefathers made mention of the fact that separation of church and state was that the church will not run the state and the state will not run the church.
You tax the church, that's the state running the church.
All right.
Well, that's your argument.
That's fine.
I mean, for every single argument he brought up of the church being a scam, a scam, I can run out right now and probably find you... I'm in Seattle.
My name's Paul.
I can find you 50 churches that aren't a scam, that are doing good for me and the community.
I wouldn't argue with you, Paul.
If our country's coming down to that, I want to move.
You want to move?
Maybe I agree with the freemen.
Or maybe not the freemen, but that type of a group.
Alright, Paul, well thank you very much.
We appreciate your call and your opinion.
I would be careful about mixing your opposition to the taxation of churches with agreement with the freemen, but I understand the way you feel.
And frankly, I didn't say that I agreed with him that it is a good idea.
As a matter of fact, frankly, I thought he had carried a grudge, and I still believe that, incidentally, even now.
Having interviewed him and spent a lot of time with him, I felt what came out was a very deep-seated resentment, anger, and ongoing grudge.
But that is what you would have discerned, Paul, had you listened to the entire program.
Now, we take you back to the past, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
I want to talk to you for a second about cyber snobbery.
That's what I call it.
There is now this great undercurrent of hatred That's going on.
Between people who use Prodigy, AOL, CompuServe, people who are on the chat services, the different providers, the web people, and they're all in contention with each other, and everybody else's service is junk.
And I wonder why that's going on.
I wonder why the people who are more deeply involved in the Internet, for example, turn up their noses at people like AOL.
And AOL is bringing a lot of people into cyberspace who otherwise would not come.
It's kind of like with amateur radio.
We get people involved in ham radio by getting one of the early licenses, a no-code license or a novice license or something that is Relatively easy to get in the beginning, and easy to use, and doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist to participate.
And so it brings people into the hobby, just the way AOL and some of the other services bring people into cyber space, and then they move on from there.
but why is this the why is there this great rivalry
and and a very nasty one at that uh... in the cyber world right now i call it cyber snobbery
and uh... there's there's hatred that spews from these people
but whatever it is there on uh... is the right thing and everything else is wrong and
or if not that evil it's an interesting phenomenon
Cyber snobbery I'm going to call it.
West of the Rockeries.
Rockeries.
Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey, Art.
It's Aaron from Elk Grove, California.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I got to tell you that, boy, is it ever much more pleasurable to listen to the show than to try to get through and talk.
Well, I'm sure that's true.
I appreciate you're trying to get through.
And it's become a horrible obsession for me.
And I have to find out what's going on with Hillbop for some reason.
I haven't heard anywhere except for on your show about it.
Well, it's still coming.
It will put on the show of a lifetime in less now than a year.
Really?
Yeah, around March.
I think around March of next year.
And this will be something that we'll just be able to... with the naked eye?
Oh, yes.
Right on.
Let's see it.
Let's go.
I'm just curious, because like NASA, you don't hear anything.
Nobody has covered Hale-Bopp but you, and I'm so tired of Chupacabra and wanting to hear about Hale-Bopp.
Well, what do you want to know about Hale-Bopp?
I mean, you know it's going to smack right into Earth, right?
Yeah, I think it's heading for Central California, or is that Southern California?
What part of California are we in?
All right, thank you, sir.
I don't know what to tell you about Hale-Bopp.
It's coming.
Comment.
Somebody sent me a fax earlier and said, Hey, have you heard?
Hayakataki has turned around and it's headed for Earth.
People send me the damnedest things.
Comment turned around.
Comments don't turn around.
They don't cut U-turns in space.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi.
Hello.
Turn your radio off.
Sorry.
That's all right.
Turn it off.
It's off.
That's good.
Where are you?
Columbus, Ohio.
All right, welcome.
Enjoy the show.
I can't believe I got through.
My arm is sore, but I'll get over it.
I'm glad.
Well, this church-burning thing.
Yes.
You know what I think about the... Well, I agree completely about what you were saying about the people that combine this alleged love for God and this hate.
It's a pure contradictory.
Well, it's not even hate.
Hate, yes, born of feelings of superiority.
In other words, we are white, we are right, we are closer to God than anybody else, and we are Christian.
And I think it's based on a weakness.
Um, well... And fear.
Fear.
They're cowards.
The key word is fear, I think.
Yeah, the Ku Klux Klan, the skinheads, the white Aryan, they're all cowards.
Why do you think it's on the increase?
That's the important question.
Boy, you know, that's a... That's a pretty scary question.
For the same reason that I agree with you that I'm also nervous that...
Listen, I've got a break.
I've got to do the news.
Do you want to hold on?
I'd love to.
All right.
In Ohio, you are holding, and we'll be back.
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I've got a caller holding on line one, so let me take care of business here.
You're on the air.
Hi.
Art.
Yes, sir.
You're back on the air again.
Okay.
We were talking about Yes.
I have to absolutely agree with you.
I guess it's learned.
you know you can get the grocery store you see it when you're driving
you see it it now that everybody not everywhere but too much
i think it is a learned behavior uh... i have to absolutely agree with you i guess it's
learned uh... and i just uh... what i really want to know
is or what has changed what
Why is it increasing?
We really need to find out about that.
Boy, that's a really good question.
I really loved your first hour guest.
I'd like to be on one of those number eight earthquakes with him.
Number eight?
Oh, you mean you'd go stand there, too?
Oh, sure.
You're as crazy as he is.
Well, I'm like you.
I love violent weather.
I was in a tornado in Indiana.
About 15 years ago.
You know, the thing about tornadoes is you can run away from tornadoes.
Yeah, that's true.
But you can't.
That's a good point.
But I'll tell you, when you're standing at ground zero with regard to an earthquake, you wouldn't want to stand there again.
I've never been in one.
I did land in bed when that one hit St.
Louis in 1988, but it just kind of shook things a little bit.
Charles is a very unusual person.
Oh, he's hysterical.
All right, thank you.
Well, it's nothing like someone devoted to what they do.
Now let me prove my point, alright?
I just talked about cyber snobbery.
So what did I get?
I got a list from my friends on the IRC chat channel.
Of which I cannot read all of them, but listen to this.
Art, here is a top 20 list for the uses of AOL, that's America Online, AOL CDs from the listeners on IRC.
20.
Futuristic money.
Paving stones for Tim Leary's driveway.
Targets for your SKS rifles.
Sharpen the edges and make nice ninja throwing weapons.
Boogie boards for chipmunks.
Pizza slicer.
You can never find one when you need one.
They would slice pizzas, I suppose.
Water skipper toys for the kids.
Neato hood ornaments.
Landing pads for those miniature UFOs and on it goes.
Hey look, more Roswell parts.
Bicycle reflectors.
Inexpensive earrings for your wife's birthday.
This is the kind of thing That I was talking about.
The exact thing that I was talking about.
Now, why is there so much cyber snobbery and rivalry?
And I don't understand that.
All of it is fun.
I very much enjoy AOL.
I always have.
It is convenient.
It is easy.
It gets people into cyberspace who otherwise wouldn't know what the hell they're doing, who eventually then will move on to other providers.
Or stay with AOL, or whatever they're going to do, but AOL is just part of it, and it's a good part of it, and without it, there wouldn't be nearly so many people involved.
So, I don't get why this is all going on, and you know where I am right now?
I'm in the Grassy Knoll chat room on AOL.
If you would like to join me there, you're welcome to do so.
Just go on AOL, and go to keywords.
And hit keyword Art Bell.
A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
It'll take you to the Grassy Knoll chat room.
That's where I am.
You'll see me in there.
So, uh, come on in.
Maybe somebody there can tell me why my new 3.0 won't print my email.
That's what I really want to know.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Now, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
I'm Marty from Anchorage.
Hi, Marty.
KENI Radio.
Of course.
GMOM.
Yes, sir.
I'm just calling to say we're getting rain here in Anchorage, so that's good for the firefighters.
That sure is good.
We did not feel the earthquake in Anchorage, but I understand that they felt it quite a ways up the chain.
I have to agree with your Guest earlier in the show today, I've been through several earthquakes ranging from closer than I care to admit to an epicenter when I was in Japan 6.8, 10 years ago.
Fascinating to feel the Earth move.
It is, but I don't think that I'd race to the center of one.
I was far enough away that it gave me a pretty good jolt and woke me up.
It did some damage in the northern part of Japan, and that one that I was closest to, and yeah, I don't think I'd want to be much closer than that.
Well, there you are.
All right, sir, I appreciate your call.
Thank you.
You know, if you're crazy about something, though, I do understand that.
If you're crazy about something, you want to be there, no matter what the Repercussions would be you'd want to be there.
I suppose that would apply to an earthquake, if you are fascinated by them.
It's like chasing tornadoes.
Dear Art, I don't know any white supremacists.
Thank God.
But there is a question I have always wondered about.
How do these superficial people who place so much emphasis on the color of one's skin deal with serial killers who also have white skin?
White skin didn't make Ted Bundy.
The Hillside Strangler, whose name I can't recall at the moment, Robert Alt Harris, superior.
I can't think of anything more stupid than to have to feel superior in order to feel like somebody.
I think all these supremacists should get a life.
That's Veda in Whittier, California.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, this is Carol on Oklahoma City.
How you doing, Carol?
Fine.
Am I on the radio?
Well, I sure hope so.
Okay.
First of all, you should turn it off or you'll be all confused.
Yeah, I can't hear it.
I did turn it.
I got in.
Okay.
I have a request, like, for a guest.
Who would that be?
Somebody who could try to explain Quantum physics from the basics?
Well, that sounds like you need a college course, not a guest.
Well, yeah.
I have some books, but... Okay, the other thing is, on the... I went through this real weird thing of... Okay, I got some organophosphate poisoning.
You got what?
Organophosphate poisoning.
What the hell is that?
It's like an insecticide.
It was an insecticide.
What were you doing?
Eating insecticide?
No!
We bought this old house and I was in the back shed and cleaning it up.
Long story short, it fell over.
I see.
Anyway, I had this broom and I looked up and everything was just all foggy.
I don't remember even getting back to the house.
Wow.
But, when you talk about, I keep hearing you talk about the quickening.
The quickening.
And, I never quite got it.
But, I went through, I had a near death.
I never believed in that, but it was, anyway.
I went through what I call a lot of hallucinations.
When I came out of it, the main thing, the main message I got was that the world whatever is going, is moving faster.
The world whatever is moving faster?
The universe.
Like you say, the quickening.
You got that from toxic poisoning?
You were toxically poisoned and then you got a message from beyond.
And the world, whatever, is moving faster.
That's what I got from that.
Interesting.
Pesticide prophecy.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
Nonpartisan Tim in San Diego.
How you doing?
Pretty good.
Someone said it, I don't know who, but it was something to the effect of Why do I need to hate groups of people when there are so many good reasons to hate people individually?
And these bigots, I hate them!
Well, it seems like there's more and more of them.
I don't know if there's more and more, but they're just getting more, uh, more obvious.
Coming out in the open.
Why do you think that is?
Uh, the quickening, of course.
That's a very general, non-specific term for a lot of things that are going on.
It is insufficient to explain why people are hating more.
Well, I don't think they're hating more.
I think they're just showing it more.
Maybe that's true.
Alright, thank you.
For the people on AOL who are trying to help me out with my printer problem, I mean, figure this one, guys.
I can print the news, Reuters.
That prints fine, but my email doesn't.
Now, I can't, for the life of me, imagine what would cause that discrepancy, unless it was just some little thing on AOL.
They're talking about printer drivers and everything, but it wouldn't be that, not if it prints the news.
If it prints the news, it ought to print whatever text is up there, so how could it be email-specific?
That's really weird.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
Yeah, I had you on my mind today when I said into the President's ear, what do you know about UFOs?
And he was in San Diego today.
Oh, somebody asked the President that?
I did.
You did?
Yeah.
You actually got close enough to ask him that?
Yeah, very close quarters in Hillcrest, which is known to be the gay area of San Diego.
Early morning, just a very close crowd there.
And so what did the president say to you?
He said, he smiled, he said, turn to the Secret Service, said UFOs, and that's all.
And the Secret Service guy probably made a note, and another guy at a distance focused his telescopic lens and took your photograph.
And I made sure, talking to a little old lady in the crowd, that I mentioned your name out loud.
That's good.
And so then they probably said, Art Bell again, huh?
There's another checkmark.
Yeah, and to the local TV station, KNSD, Art Bell.
That's the reason why I asked it.
So that's all he said.
And I think he was relieved.
Well, they already know about me.
But see, the problem for you is, now they know about you.
Oh, no.
Oh, yes.
Okay, but that's all I was thinking of you when I asked.
This means a... it doesn't matter.
It means for you, sir, a visitation.
Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
All right.
They've long known about me.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Oh, no, I didn't push the button.
There you go.
East of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello.
Let me turn this off.
Fair enough.
Got it off?
Yeah, it's off.
That's good.
Okay.
I wanted to ask you a question.
I'm not exactly too politically red, and maybe you can answer it for me, okay?
I'll try.
Do you think that the people who found the Whitewater papers, which mysteriously popped up, and the people who mysteriously found the Travelgate papers, which mysteriously popped up, do you think those two incidences outside of them mysteriously popping up, Are you talking about the papers that were mysteriously found in the White House?
Right.
Do I think they're related to what?
The FBI saying, hey, we made a mistake.
And this soldier requested no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
yes but no these these two things are i do not believe are related see it sounds like
to me that all of a sudden a lot of paperwork is suddenly popping up and that's too
coincidental for me that's what i'm saying well this report uh... this security
business uh... this either enemies list or innocent mistake whatever you want to call it uh...
was done uh... very early on in the administration and it has just been found out
about it Has no relationship to the Whitewater Papers.
Makes you want to think, what else is, uh... However, I think they ought to check the fingerprints.
The FBI ought to dust them quick.
Before more fingerprints, which shouldn't be on there, suddenly pop on there?
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
I mean, they said... Now, from what I've heard, thank you, they said they sent the papers back to the FBI.
Right?
So, presumably, these papers are in FBI hands right now.
And absolutely, they ought to go over them and look and see whose fingerprints they find.
If all they find is a low-level military guy, then fine.
If they find other fingerprints, then, well, it could be a bit of a problem.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hey, Art Bell.
Hey, yes.
Calling from Tallahassee.
Hi there.
Hi there.
I just got in.
I didn't hear the first part of your show, but change the subject for a second.
What did you think about the Belmont Stakes?
Well, I thought that I had a caller who called it.
Yeah, I was listening to that.
Did you put any money on editors?
No, but I was trying to get through to Art Bell's OTB that same night that he was on.
I see.
Let him know that I heard him say that I was in horse racing for a few years.
And so that caught my ear.
I think that was pretty interesting.
Oh, yes, indeed.
Um, also, about that, um, quote, about Dr. Pepsi?
Yes.
Almost Dr. Pepsi?
Yes.
I was just wondering what, what, um, why you put that, that Lady Nancy on?
She was so antagonistic.
Why you would have brought, actually called her to let her grind an axe?
Well, she, because she sent a fax, and she was grinding an axe, and, uh, I wanted to hear what happened, would, what happened when she ground her axe, uh, on, on Ms.
Pepsi.
And so I heard.
Yeah.
I know.
I found some chinks in her armor, I'm afraid. But that was an interesting show I liked after Pepsi or Ms. Pepsi. It
was very interesting. She was right a lot of the time whether it's a science or not.
I know.
And that's as much of a science as... I don't really know that much about it, but SciTech.
Yes.
I find that, just the name of his company, far more misleading than Pepsi-Tolgar.
And when he...
Well, no.
No.
No.
Why do you find that?
Because he speaks about remote viewing as technology and when I first heard that 19
minutes the first night, I understood that I was listening to some...
When he said technology, I thought like I never heard of remote viewing and I thought
he meant satellite and actual technology when it wasn't technology at all.
No, no.
The government had a 20 year program.
But was it actual technology and science or was it like Mr.
Polgar's, um, theory?
Well, they view it as science.
With some degree of accuracy, I might add.
Well, they claim a great degree of accuracy, as a matter of fact.
But they also claim technology.
Is there actual technology involved?
Well, no, it's not machine technology, if that's what you mean.
But, I mean, I understand that these people are trained psychically or telepathically.
Yes.
But that can't really be a science, either.
That's never exact.
I mean, to some, they might have some degree of accuracy.
Well, yes, they have a great degree of accuracy.
And so I don't understand why they'd pick on Ted C. Torgar when that went completely unnoticed, where his is a much more, you know, the consequences to his prophecy or prediction even though i mean i believe that
that environment in great danger and everything but that's the way he did you
know there's no chance it was like you know i think i think he's he brought
a bunch of property in new zealand and when everybody makes their exodus
he's gonna sell it off to them and i pray that i'm gonna buy up all
the property in beverly hills
well maybe you're right i hope it was all right thank you look
uh... i'd camps substantiate uh... the claims that are made but the government apparently felt
that there was sufficient a reason to believe there was something to it to continue a
program for twenty years
and And he was in that military program.
So, you know, I mean, take these things always with a grain of salt.
Take them with a grain of salt and they are presented that way.
A controversial and unusual things are presented for you.
on this program, and you can accept them, reject them, embrace them, file them away, do whatever you want with them.
And so it is with major dames.
I, however, personally attach some credibility, credence, belief, some, I said, In what he had to say, and what he has to say, and I think that you should listen and decide for yourself.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
All right.
You know, I never realized before that you were automatically disconnected after so many rings.
Well, that's phone company.
But anyway, my name is Lewis.
I'm from San Diego.
I've been listening for a while, but this is the first time I've called.
I'm a graduate student at San Diego State.
And, uh, I just wanted to, uh, put this out there and maybe get a little feedback from your listeners.
And, uh, see if anybody has seen anything strange in the area around Gordon's Well.
Are you familiar with that area?
It's along Highway 8.
I am not.
Okay, Walter.
What did you see, sir?
Well, I didn't see this.
Who did?
That is, in my opinion, unquestionably honest.
Saw what?
Saw a triangular yellow shape glowing and hovering over the sand dunes out there at Gordon's Well.
And made absolutely no noise.
Well, I know about triangular things that make no noise, but the one I saw was black, not yellow.
Yellow would be an interesting color, wouldn't it?
We're gonna break here at the bottom of the hour.
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tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Welcome to the show.
I'm your host, Dan Mantz.
Good morning, everybody.
Good to be here.
If you'd like to join us online, you're welcome to do so.
We're in a chat room on AOL.
Just go on AOL and hit keyword and type ARTBELL, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, and then go into the grassy little chat room.
There I am.
Join us if you will.
There is an ongoing discussion of many things in there right now.
And east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Going once.
Going twice.
Gone like the wind.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Well, I think people all over America should sit back and... See, I just got my citizenship about three or four years ago for the United States, American citizen.
Yes.
And people should sit back and read our Constitution, especially a lot of Americans, because I know a lot of Americans don't know the Constitution that well, but what makes this one great nation is all the people in this country, blacks, whites, Chinese, Russians, Italians, and that's what makes this one great Nation you know one diverse nation, and I know well what I think is some people want to race war is what I'm beginning to conclude Yeah, and that's really scary.
I've heard people talking about that a while back about two or three years ago And I kind of thought it was you know far-fetched, but now it looks like to me It's believable and and the Freeman deal hmm.
I think the Freeman better just pretty much give up because I That's a very dangerous situation.
You know why I think our government is having so many problems?
It's because our government is like turkeys.
Our government is represented by the American eagle.
Have you ever looked at an eagle, Bart?
Occasionally.
They look real mean and they're powerful and I think our government's shown a weakness now and it could be dangerous if we wait too long.
I think we've waited a little too long now.
I mean, it's good to be patient and everything and I'm sure they've been cautious.
But we don't want to have our government look like Turkey, and that's eventually what our bird's going to be.
You know, it's going to be changed back to the original bird, which was the turkey.
All right, sir.
I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
Well, a lot of people are beginning to feel that way.
I don't know.
It's a hard call.
On the one hand, you don't want to do anything rash, and you don't want to precipitate something that will result in the use of deadly force when the crime doesn't justify that but on the other there has to be the rule of law and there cannot be the rule of if I don't pay my mortgage if I don't if I write hot checks if I do this or do that I can get away with it because I can claim I'm a patriot and have a gun
And so there will be fear on the part of the government.
And I feel that these men in Montana are hiding behind the Patriot movement.
Not very effectively, and the longer it goes on, the less effective their claims are in this regard.
Now maybe that's why the FBI is letting it go on, but there is a danger.
And that is that people elsewhere will copycat it.
They will conclude it is the way to keep the government away.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Dave in Madison, Wisconsin.
How are you doing, Dave?
Pretty well.
I enjoy your program a lot.
Thank you.
I'm calling concerning the Kingdom Identity Movement.
Yes.
I'm a historian and anthropologist, and I thought maybe I could answer some questions about it or discuss it with you.
Go ahead.
Let's hear it.
Well, I mean, I was just wondering if I could debate a caller, if I could answer some of those questions.
I don't really have a statement, but... Well, I don't know what... I don't even understand what your position is yet.
I'm just, you know, have an interest in it, and I've studied it quite a bit, so... Really?
Are you a white supremacist?
No, I'm not.
I'm a Christian, but I think the Kingdom Identity Movement is just a... it's a doctrine.
It's a way of interpreting the Bible, and it's...
Well, it's a growing thing, apparently.
throughout Christianity and certain sects like Protestant and Catholic, you know, sects
of Christianity throughout, you know, ever since the time of Christ really, it's been
a movement, but it's not a new thing.
Alright, well, it's a growing thing, apparently.
It's a growing thing.
I believe these church fires are, you know, there was one pastor yesterday during the
news conference who suggested this is a tinderbox.
Bye.
It's beginning to get to be a tinderbox, and it is.
It surely is.
If this is a general movement in this country, we've really lost it.
We have really lost it.
it. Not sure what's happened to America, but whatever it is, it absolutely is not good, is it?
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
Music.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air high.
Thank you.
Going once.
Going twice, go on.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
Yeah, hi Art, how you doing?
I'm okay.
Good.
You know, the Christian Identity people, twice, I've noticed when they called, they always say there will be a race war, but you never go into it.
I would like to know exactly what they're talking about.
I think the church burnings are, you know, these kind of things can cause the race war, and I want to know what they mean when they say they actually know there will be a race war.
I think a debate between them would be very good.
Oh, you do, huh?
Do you think there's going to be one?
A race one?
Yes.
Well, if they say so, and churches are being burned, and the blacks, you know, who wants their church burned, no matter what race you are, you know, there could be a connection.
They seem to think there's going to be one.
Yep.
How do they know?
Why do they know?
What's going on?
All right, thanks.
Well, if we get somebody inclined toward admitting they are a white supremacist and want such a war and are promoting the idea of such a war, maybe we will have such a debate.
But I still am not over it, all these Christians who think that they are, that the white race is superior.
How they come up with that?
How they can mesh some twisted concept of Christianity into that The belief system is amazing to me.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hey Art, how you doing?
Okay.
I work at a station and I'm a board op for your show sometimes.
Alright.
And I just wanted to add something in on this thing about the racists.
Sure.
Okay, I had friends at one time that were racists and now find themselves in jail for murder.
No, I don't really have that close a connection with them, but I do know what they had said, like, actually why they didn't like other races.
They thought they were pure and everything, you know, being white.
We never really got onto the subject of being a Christian or other, but I am.
Why is purity, or how is purity determined by skin color?
I don't understand their thinking.
You know, actually, they're kind of infantile in their thinking.
The people that I knew, at least.
Now, these other racists that stand up and they're all truly smart, you know, but they really don't know what they're talking about because being pure has nothing to do with color, you know?
Christians, if you're a true Christian, you do not believe in separation or different colors, you know?
Well, that's what I always thought.
Thank you.
So then, how do you account for this strange combining of ideologies?
uh... because the christian faith is about love you know for one another
goes directly through the race line well that's what i was thought thank you uh... so then how
do you account for this
strange combining of
ideologies racism superiority
christianity And how do you get all that together?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
KSDSA, my name is Andrew.
Yes, Andrew.
I want to bring up the subject of the same-sex marriage.
I'm sort of near to some of the radical members of the gay community, especially some who believe in a group called NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association.
I know of it, yes.
And they are looking forward to adopting young boys.
And that upset me very much when they were discussing that.
Well, I imagine it would.
I mean, that's also... And even some of the ones, you know, they said they wanted to bring their children up gay.
They said, what's wrong with that?
They felt there would be a more peaceful world if we had more gay people around.
Really?
How do you even equate The adult gay movement with NAMBLA, I think they're not the same thing at all.
And most gay people, as far as I know, are not molesters of children.
Well, I didn't say that.
What I was saying, though, is that if you allow one to do it, then the other one won't do it.
That's what they were discussing, that maybe a neat thing to do.
Like I said, some of the radical elements.
One person could do it, and the other one could do it, too.
And that's what we're afraid of happening.
Yeah, well, I don't think anybody ought to be able to do it.
That's ridiculous.
Anybody whose sexual proclivities are toward children should certainly not be allowed to adopt children.
And I don't believe this society will allow it, not for a second, so... It's a conversation hardly worth having.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
I just wanted to say that.
Hello? How you doing? Fine. I'm just, uh, let me get the radio here. Turn it off, yes.
That's what you've got to do. Okay, you there? Yes, I've been here the whole time. Okay.
I just wanted to say that I think this is just, this burning of churches and all that
is just a symptom of the breakdown of our society. Well, in that case, we're coming
down the old home trail.
I think we're definitely going to end up with the revolution here, and we're going to end up with the race war and everything else going on at the same time.
Well, I can't think of anything that will more quickly promote it, burn down people's churches, and they get really upset.
Yeah, I think when government's basically rotted from the top to the bottom, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, Gingrich, all of them are a mess.
What else are we going to do?
It is a very good question and I don't know.
I guess the only way we prevent something from occurring that is catastrophic is to take individual action and hope there are enough of us left to do that.
Nobody seems to want to do anything right now.
Everybody just sits around watching television.
They don't even want to take care of their own children anymore.
I mean right now we're looking at our society disintegrate before our eyes.
Well I can only imagine if I were a church going person and I had a church down the street
that I went to once or twice a week, whatever, and somebody burned it down with hate for
me or my race or my religion as a motive, I would be fighting mad.
I would be fighting mad.
I would be ready to pick up a gun and go after whoever it was.
It's a bunch of people picking up guns.
That's exactly right.
So far, as nearly as I can tell, the black religious community that has suffered at the hands of this sort of thing has been very restrained in their response, and I wouldn't be so restrained.
What greater insult can there be than burning somebody's church?
No, you can't burn their religion!
But still, the insult of going after their church.
I mean, if somebody burned my church, if I was a regular churchgoer, and I'm not, I would be, I would be livid.
I would be angry enough to start a race war.
So, I think the restraint thus far has been admirable, and I think they'd better go after this harder and find out what's going on here.
And if it is a general thing that has begun to occur in this country, they'd better get a handle on it.
Or else.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Ah, I knew the 13th time would be a charm.
Well, I'm glad you made it.
Where are you?
This is Kevin from Kansas City.
Good, Kevin.
About the Freeman thing, where you said that if an average citizen was to try that, they'd run right on in.
Well, if you wrote a hot check, and they came to get you, and you held them off with a gun, you tell me what would happen.
Well, uh, they would, uh, wait for about six hours and then, uh, hope that you, uh, gave up.
And I know that for a fact because here in Kansas City, uh, around eight o'clock last night, uh, somebody, uh, uh, well, went off and, uh, held the, uh, police at bay for, uh, six hours.
Six hours, huh?
Yep.
Well, that's, that's not like 70-something days.
And what they're liable to do, if you did that, is they'd call in the SWAT team.
And, yeah, maybe you'd get six hours out of a standoff, but not much more.
Well, this is about the second time that they've, you know, had something like this.
And, you know, people in the situation basically, I guess, think, well, hey, if the Freeman can do it, so can I. Yeah.
I've got another question for you.
Sure.
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Okay.
Also, possible two guests?
Yes.
Would it be possible if you could get a hold of Fox Television?
Yes.
And have Paul McGann and his manager, Janet Fielding, I believe is how you pronounce it.
I don't know who these people are.
Well, he was in Aliens 3.
He is also the current Doctor Who character.
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Western the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, how you doing?
Okay.
Well, I'd like to comment on several things.
I'm Rafael from Bakersfield.
Yes.
Yeah.
About Douglas Wallace?
Yes.
One thing.
For instance, they say that they're going to tax the churches, right?
Now, the churches being taxed have the right to deduct everything they do for their charity.
Sure.
So all the work they do in charity is going to be non-taxable.
So the church will be more inclined Well, I guess it would depend, though, sir, on to what degree they would be able to make those kinds of deductions.
You, for example, in your tax return, can only deduct so much, even for charitable work.
Right.
But at least they'll be able to do that, to deduct from charity.
Well, I doubt they're going to get around to taxing churches at all, frankly, despite what you may have heard.
Although, I think there is some constitutional basis for that argument.
I don't want it to happen, but I consider it certainly possible.
What a mess that would be.
The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
More Somewhere in Time coming up.
What a mess that would be.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from June 10th, 1996.
Good morning, everybody.
Well, maybe we'll try something here in a minute.
Hi, there.
Woz to the Rockies.
Were you holding?
I am.
I'm here.
All right.
Okay.
About that guy that wants to be in an earthquake?
Yes.
I was in an 8.6.
8.6.
Where were... The largest ever recorded in the history of man.
Concepción, Chile, 1962.
And it's not fun.
No, it's not fun.
It's not fun.
My city, Concepción, has been rebuilt five times because we have so many earthquakes there.
If you want to experience one, go there.
Go to Chile, huh?
Yeah.
All right, sir.
Thank you.
No, I would not want to be in a big earthquake.
As I said, tornadoes you can run away from.
About the only way to escape an earthquake, I suppose, is to go to the air.
If these so-called Christian white supremacists really believe that they are superior, then they should also believe that it is their duty to take care of what they call the inferior races.
If they believe they are closer to God, then they should be willing and even enthusiastic about providing welfare, shelter, education, etc.
to those other races as part of their Christian duty.
They should take black, yellow, and Jewish people under their wings and be their big brother.
Since they do not Their very action goes against the white supremacist concept, and if anything, may show they are too inferior to rule over any race of people.
Dennis in Kansas City.
I may open a line for anybody who considers themselves to be a white supremacist.
I wonder, I really wonder, If they are out there, and apparently they are in big numbers, or maybe this is another one of those things blown up in the press and is not as real as we imagine it to be, which do you think is true?
I'm not exactly sure right now.
For a long time, for several years, it was my belief that these people were very, very few in number and that the press just blew it up.
I don't know that I'm as sure anymore.
And it's very worrisome.
So let me try that.
Anybody want to admit to being a white supremacist?
Perhaps even a Christian white supremacist?
Maybe you can explain how all of that works together.
So if that's you, if you will come on here and say, yes, I'm a white supremacist.
Yes, the white race is better than other races.
Call me at area code 702.
7-2-7-1-2-2-2 and everybody else, don't call.
7-0-2-7-2-7-1-2-2-2.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art.
Hi.
For one thing, Christian white supremacist is a contradiction in terms.
That's the way I feel about it.
And I think the word Christian has, you know, through some ethical Changes have lost its true meaning.
People are grabbing onto this word and saying, yeah, we have the right way.
And they're giving dogma, and they're laying guilt, but they're doing it mostly to themselves.
They're laying a mindset that they're fighting for.
They have forgotten that their spiritual entities as we all are, and they have blocked themselves in and they're
fighting for this.
And they have lost the point of what we are basic, basically as beings.
Well I'd say that's probably fair, yes.
And the Golden Rule has more meaning than most people know.
Well it probably has absolute meaning, sure.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
That sort of thing.
Sure.
All right.
That's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to restrict that line.
So if you are a white supremacist, call me.
Let's see if we actually get some.
I'm actually not sure what it is.
Is it something blown up in the press way beyond all reasonable bounds, and there are very few of them out there?
Or, as it would seem to be, is it growing?
Is it getting Worse, is this movement getting stronger?
Are they the ones burning down churches?
And if so, I'm interested to know what they expect to gain from it.
Or is it the kind of thing like between Israel and some of the Arab countries that the extremists are just itching for a fight?
They don't want peace.
They don't want an integrated America.
They want a war.
Well, they're probably off on the right track.
If it's a war they want, I suspect eventually, if this were to continue unchecked, a war they would get.
we'll be right back somewhere in time with our bill continues courtesy of
premier networks uh... on my whites premises line you're on the air
Hello, my name is Steve, and I'm calling from the West.
And, uh, what is it you would like to ask me?
Oh, I guess a number of things, Steve.
Do you honestly believe the white race is superior?
I do, uh, in many categories.
However, I will, uh, say there are a couple that, uh, that I would, uh, I find it arguable, but for the most part I believe that the white race is superior.
In what way?
In what way we're superior?
Yes.
Intellectually, academically, innovatively, politically, spiritually.
So in almost every way?
Almost, yes.
And you would cite, no doubt, examples of intelligence tests that would seem to show whites scoring higher than blacks?
Yes.
Then how do you respond to the fact that those same tests, when given to Asians, score higher than whites?
I don't believe that those tests are exactly... So you believe them when they show Oh, whites outscoring blacks, but not when they show Asians outscoring whites.
Interesting.
Well, I don't know what your data is on... I think mathematically the Asians are trained harder and they're more disciplined.
These are general intelligence tests, sir.
Yeah, well, that's what I'm talking about, for instance.
But you're embracing them when they say what you... The Oriental does not score higher on the English part of the SAT.
On the English part of the SAT?
Well, I doubt that we score higher on the Japanese part of the SAT.
Yeah.
We didn't study Japanese.
Nor did the Japanese study English.
You missed my point entirely.
My point is, in general intelligence tests, the Orientals as a group score higher than whites.
Well, that's probably correct.
Yes it is.
I would cite the reason for that is they're more disciplined.
They're more disciplined than the average white.
Yeah, they study harder, they study longer.
Does that make them superior?
Not necessarily.
Well then, how can you claim superiority on the same basis over blacks or Chicanos or whatever?
Because the blacks are, in our culture, they have the same opportunities as the whites.
However, they dramatically across the board score lower.
Do you understand that people with beliefs like yours are burning black churches?
to the educational system that supposed to be fair and equitable however when they take the gary or the team
at or the ls that marina does uh... test uh...
on the average they scored dramatically less than the average life
do you understand that people with beliefs like yours are burning black
churches i don't condone the pilot
you don't i don't about uh... what about a violent uh...
You're not a violent person?
Nope.
What do you think it's going to lead to if this continues?
The church burning?
Yes.
Well, I don't think we've proven who's doing it, actually.
We blame the white person for all the children that were killed in Atlanta when they couldn't find out it was a black male that was doing it.
But I think we need to wait and see what the evidence shows.
I don't think that's been proven yet.
Well, of those that have been arrested thus far, they're white.
Right, right.
And I think you'll find criminal element in just about any culture or philosophy.
Oh, no doubt.
But you don't honestly embrace the concept that blacks are just burning up their own churches, do you?
No, I don't.
And I don't think that every anti-abortionist is a doctor killer either.
Do you think that most of it, or even a majority, a bare majority of the church burnings are done by blacks?
I don't know.
By blacks, you mean?
Uh-huh.
I don't know what percentage I would put on that.
Alright, well, thank you very much for the call.
You are not exactly what I was looking for, but you're close.
It's very interesting that somebody would embrace the concept that they are superior and cite tests uh... intelligence tests that have been given and then and then reject uh... as uh... bad testing uh... when when confronted with the fact that asians are outscoring whites or uh... simply uh... attributed to what did he say discipline well is discipline then a measure of uh...
Might?
As in white is right?
Or Asian is right?
Are we talking about discipline, then, as a measure of superiority?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Art Bell.
Yes.
Did you know that Editor's Note had not won a race in nine races?
I did know that, yes.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, that was very interesting when I saw that.
I know.
I hope that man will contact me.
We'll get him on the air.
Yeah, I'd like to hear more on that subject.
What do you think you'll have that lady back on?
What lady?
Dr. Pepsi.
Oh, yes.
I don't know.
No doubt, eventually.
Okay.
All right.
I love your show.
Okay, thank you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi, Art.
This is Steven Boise.
Hi, Steve.
How are you?
Okay.
Good.
I was just calling to comment on the race issue.
Yes.
The problem that I have with it is that the doctor that you had on a couple of weeks ago said that his God is nature and that basically he was saying that the things that he finds in nature support his beliefs and yet I have never seen a cow not want to mate with another cow because it was a different color or a dog that's a collie for example not want to mate with a dog that's German Shepherd, because it's a different race.
And so his very beliefs, or his God, quote-unquote, defy his very beliefs.
And then as the callers that you've had in tonight... Sorry, I've got a cold coming on.
Sorry to hear that.
Yeah.
The callers that you've had in tonight that claim that they are Christian and at the same time Supremist... Yes.
Everything in the Bible basically defies that, as you have pointed out.
God is no respecter of persons.
Jesus himself said to go ye into all the world.
And so, there's just nothing that I can see that would support their beliefs at all.
And, you know, how they can claim to be supremacist on one hand, and yet Christian on the other, is just... I know!
I don't compute it.
Neither do I. That's all I wanted to say.
All right, thank you very much for the call.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Scott from Modesto, California.
Hi, Scott.
I'm listening on KMJ 580 Fresno.
Yes, sir.
I have a comment on the gentleman who was talking about earthquakes here.
Yes.
I hear a lot of people commenting on it, but I wanted to share something of my own.
I lived out in Oklahoma for a while, and a tiny little country right there on a Tony Lane, I suppose you'd call it.
Yes.
And I had somewhat of a morbid curiosity about them.
I mean, I was always excited as a youth whenever there was a major storm coming by.
Yes.
It would keep me awake, mostly out of excitement.
But I also happened to be living in Coalinga, California when the 6.7 hit.
About 82?
Yes.
And that was centered directly underneath Kalinga, downtown Kalinga.
And it was not something comparable by any sense.
No, you're helpless.
If you're on the ground in an earthquake, there is no escape.
You can't run away from it.
Tornadoes you can run away from.
Yeah, it hit just after track practice and everyone that was around me fell instantly to the ground.
I mean, it was so strong.
Sure.
It was exciting at the time, but the moment you see the destruction through town, it was the scariest and most sobering experience.
I mean, you don't want to go through it again.
That's right.
We think we build very sound structures.
The Japanese, as a matter of fact, thought they built very sound structures, and they found out their so-called earthquake-resistant structures were not.
And they went down like a house of cards.
It depends on the kind of quake you get and the kind of shake it produces, but generally we are pathetic indeed when matched up against the best of Mother Nature.
And a 7 to 8 to 9 point earthquake, you know, not much stands at the end of that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, this is Mike from Michigan.
Hello.
I just heard this on the radio.
Jack Kevorkian now has 29 notches in his exhaust pipe.
Another one, huh?
Yeah, just in, is what I heard.
They're not giving out any information.
I wonder if they'll put him on trial again.
It's kind of a weird thing, because my personal view, I'm kind of pro-assisted suicide, but as far as having Jack Kevorkian spearheading the movement, I'm not.
Well, I more or less agree with you.
I think that a person has a right at the end to decide about their own life.
It's not an easy choice.
However, Jack Kevorkian is probably trying to prove a point with what he's doing and get a societal debate going.
Well, there definitely is a debate going, but he needs to get more support through the medical establishment or people that are willing to come forward because he really is making it look bad.
I don't think he's helping.
He keeps doing it over and over, but he needs to get more people.
Or at least less circus-like individuals.
You know, you always hear them talking about dignity, him and his lawyer, they're always saying people should die with dignity, this, that, and the other, but dignity is not putting them in your VW microbus and carting them up into the hospital parking lot and leaving your body there.
But on the other hand, Well, on the other hand, there are degrees, sir, of dignity, and I guess I don't want to go too far with this, but dying with a diaper on, not in control of any of your own bodily processes, that's not much dignity either.
So my take on this is that it is your life.
It is my life, and I can tell you this.
No government would stand in my way if I decided that I was going to take my life, and I'm certainly not here telling you I am.
But if I decided I was going to, no government has a right to step in my way.
That's my take on it.
So, in some ways, Kevorkian is a hero.
I certainly don't want what Kevorkian is doing to become the way it is done.
There needs to be structure.
There needs to be several doctors that concur.
There needs to be, eventually, and Kevorkian even agrees with this, there needs to be a lot of safeguards in place so that we don't begin to get murders, convenient dispositions of the older and no longer enjoyed, you know, that sort of thing.
And that's the slippery slope that you've got to worry about.
But as a general rule, I believe that it is our life, your life, my life, and I don't want anybody, not the government, not anybody else, telling me what to do with it.
And when the pain and suffering has gone on and the hospital expense long enough, I've got more on this in a moment.
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On this, Somewhere in Time.
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The Kevorkian business.
I'm no great fan of Kevorkians.
Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Let's continue with this for a moment, shall we?
The Kevorkian business.
I'm no great fan of Kevorkians.
That's for sure.
And I don't think his way is the way.
I think what he's doing is trying to create a debate.
He certainly accomplished that.
I do think that my life is my own.
And toward the end, if I decided that I wasn't going to... Well, look at our Medicare budget.
Everybody's out there freaking out over Medicare right now.
One third of the total $200 billion yearly expenditure on Medicare is spent in the last 10 days of anybody's life.
The last 10 days.
Keeping them awake.
Many times, not even awake, not conscious.
But alive.
Ticking.
Drawing like the chupacabra draws blood from a goat.
The money from the family.
And the heirs.
And the estate.
And keeping them alive for what?
Now, I think it should be a person's choice.
You want to spend all your money to stay alive a few more days?
That's fine.
You go right ahead and do it.
I might make a different choice, and I'm not even saying I would, but I would say don't try and stand in my way, or you might be tread upon as you try, and certainly the government shouldn't.
If I decide that I'm going to end my life because I'm in horrible, mind-wracking pain, or even if I decide that my life has lost its usefulness and I wish to end I know you might say I'm wrong, but I don't care.
It's my life.
It's not yours.
It's not President Clinton's.
It's not the wannabe President Dole's.
It's my life.
For whatever that's worth.
And I will make that decision.
Simple as that.
There's a lot of libertarian in me.
Conservative economically, to some degree politically.
But more of a libertarian.
There's a lot of libertarian in me, and this is one area where it really comes out.
Nobody stands in my way.
Now, if society wants to debate this and come up with a way for it to be done, where there's safeguards in place, that's how it ought to be done.
Not Kevorkian's way.
But what he is doing is promoting a debate, and I guess it's time we had one.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello, this is Edward in Salt Lake City.
Boy, I tried to get through the night you had Dr. Pierce on.
You didn't take any calls that night with him, and then again to talk to your skinhead.
I have to come at that, not to avoid your last topic there.
You know, I have to come at the white supremacist stuff from another angle, because I was raised in that crap for quite a while in my life.
My grandfather never did believe there was a Holocaust.
He was a German immigrant.
My father eventually accepted it, but I had to learn that for myself in school.
Well, when you believe it, when you embrace it, when you believe it, then you have to accept Some genetic shame, I guess, and so the inclination is not to do that.
Yes, and you know, having seen my father involved, he was a good American as far as most things went, very active politically, but then I also saw him involved, I mean I met Joe Clark in Denver, you know, I know.
You're absolutely right about that.
and Barry Goldwater and all kinds of people, but those things all blended together in those
days, but there were still a lot of people that didn't, you know, a lot of old people
that could not accept things.
Now I think it's a different problem, because I think that most of the population should
be a lot more educated about...
I know, this is, you're absolutely right about that.
This is a different problem.
It's the same old thing, but it's something new.
Yes, and you know what's bothered me greatly of late is the fact that I can't see any innate source.
I cannot find the source of the agitation, but there's a lot of it happening.
I can't blame it on the media, but I'm not a conspiratorialist at all.
Somebody is agitating it beyond what You know, these militia types are generally disorganized.
I mean, I know of where I speak.
You know, as a child, I fired automatic weapons that were being manufactured for the KKK.
I mean, this is how radical some of the people that I saw, but I knew it was wrong then.
But these guys are not very well organized, yet what we see and what we constantly hear about now is It's more organized, as if it's being agitated a lot.
I think your point... Look, I really take your point to heart, sir.
And I hope everybody else listening does, too.
I tend to agree.
This is not your granddad's racism.
This is something new.
What do I mean by that?
Racism is racism.
Well, not exactly.
This is born of some new center.
This is born of some new... This is not the old Southern racism, segregation.
This is something new.
This is a new kind of hatred.
And it's hard to even, frankly, put into words.
Because I don't know where it comes from.
Maybe some of you can help, but whatever it is, there is a new source for it.
Here's a fax I just got too.
Cyber Snobbery.
Hi Art.
It's been quite a while since I've put in my two cents worth and I thought this would be a good time to do it.
I started out on AOL and was with them for three or four months before switching to a direct internet provider.
Most of the people I know also began on AOL or one of the other online providers.
I found that while AOL was very user friendly, especially for a beginner, It and the other online providers are very cost prohibitive, I'll get it, if you have more than just a passing interest in the Internet.
They tend to be quite slow, comparatively, and that clock is always ticking.
However, I was really amazed at the near hatred for AOLers expressed by those on the Internet Who are so much more, quote, cool, end quote, end quote, with it, end quote, because they have a direct provider.
Granted, AOLers are lacking in net etiquette and common courtesy, but they sure don't have any corner on that market.
It seems to me that it'd be a lot more helpful and beneficial to all of us that enjoy cyberspace if a little more of welcome aboard attitude was expressed by those with more experience Hello?
instead of this holier-than-thou attitude that seems to be prevalent
besides as you know many people
simply do not have the option of going with a direct provider
because of their geographical location or other reasons at any rate i agree with you
it is snobbery at its worst larry in medford oregon
dead on the money first-time caller line you're on the air high
Hello? Yes, you're on the air.
Is this our bell?
Yes, it is.
Yeah, this is Gary Colling from Reading.
Hi.
And I just wanted to ask you, the guy with the demon seeds?
Yes.
And did you say that you could grow meat off of the plants themselves?
That's what he claims, yes.
So would that make you a farmer or a rancher?
That's important so you can get the stuff today.
Maybe both.
Yeah, maybe both.
I wonder how much money the government would give me, considering how big the plant would get, for not growing it.
Yeah, that's a good point.
And you know, the drought in Texas, you know, meat prices are going to go up.
It's a good point, sir.
I'll hold the seeds.
Okay, and I wanted to talk about the Christian Supremacists.
Yes.
Wasn't Christ not an Arian?
That'd be my guess, yeah.
He was Hebrew?
Well, I doubt he was an Arian.
So, I don't know how they can be Christian supremists.
Doesn't make any sense.
Doesn't make any sense to me either, and yet they are, and they appear to be growing, and as I discussed with another caller, very insightful, a few moments ago, this racism today, this hatred we've got today, appears to me now That I think about it to be very sourced in a very different way than the old stuff.
You know, granddad's racism in the South.
It's not like that.
This is new and it's different.
Right, right.
I think that has a lot to do with people just hiding hate behind religion.
Once again, it's happened through the ages.
You know, this is nothing new.
Okay to hate and be racist as long as you do it in God's name.
Yeah, that's what it's looking like.
Okay, I appreciate your call.
Enjoy your show.
Have a good morning.
I mean, think about that a little bit.
If I go on the IRC chat, I enjoy myself.
If I go into AOL's chat room, I enjoy myself.
If I go on any of the other many services, I enjoy it.
I like cyberspace, all of it.
And I, you know, maybe it's symptomatic.
I mean, here we are again.
All of this divisiveness and hatred in cyberspace and snobbery, whatever you want to call it, I think it's ridiculous and a waste of time.
It's really very much like racism or feelings of superiority, white superiority.
It's a big waste of time and energy.
Why can't you enjoy it where you are?
Why do you spend all the time hating others, hating other avenues?
Let it be.
They all serve their purpose.
AOL, for example, gets people into and holds on to many of them.
It gets them into cyberspace when otherwise they wouldn't begin to know how to deal with some other type of provider.
But they aren't ready for it.
So, I, you know, in every aspect of life, and this is just one that I'm in so I happen to notice it very much, Hatreds and animosities and differences are on the increase.
It's gonna get us, I'm telling you.
Sound of explosion You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning, good morning.
Good morning, good morning.
Well, I would like to make a comment about what they said about discipline being the reason for people to be more superior, but that was what Hitler had, right down to the hiney.
Yeah, he had a lot of discipline.
Total control.
That's true.
Total control.
And the other thing I'd like to mention is that I'm Aryan.
I live in a neighborhood that is all colors, and I feel closer to them.
I mean, I'm more safe with some of them in my neighborhood than I'm with my own Aryan class.
Because there is always a chicken in the hen house that gets picked to death by the rest of the chickens.
As you know, if you've ever heard the story about farming, chickens do pick on one chicken and they pick on it until there's a bloody mess and it dies.
And you know, our society represents that very much.
If we haven't got superiority somewhere and someone to peck at, You see?
I guess I do, yes.
And hey, here's another humorous thing.
Do you realize how much chicken we're eating?
And how much turkey we're consuming?
So what, are we turning into a bunch of chickens and turkeys?
Well, in more... Because we're afraid of the beef.
Thank you.
See you later, because we're afraid of the beef.
Anybody want to take a stab at the old racism versus the new?
The old hatreds versus the new ones?
There has been a change.
It's a very interesting thing to discuss, isn't it?
I understood the structure of the segregation and, to some degree, racism in the Deep South Uh, when I was a youngster, I saw it.
You know, I saw it.
I saw a lot of it going on.
But it was very different than what we have today.
It was a structured, kind of more of a segregation than it was a racism.
Sure, there was plenty of racism involved.
Part of many.
But generally, it was more segregation than racism.
Make no mistake, there were certainly hatreds that brewed and manifested themselves in many terrible ways.
But it was arguably different than those today.
This is not your grandfather's racism.
This is something totally new, and in a lot of ways, more insidious.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Oh, good heavens.
Pardon me, let me get the... Got it.
Thank you.
Here we go.
Uh, this is Sandy calling from east of St.
Louis.
Uh, boy, surprised you've, uh, picked that up.
Anyway, uh, what I'm calling about is, uh, if you had any luck with, uh, Major, is, can you spell, uh, Dames for me?
Is it, uh... D-A-M-E-S.
Okay, S-M as in, uh... Mary.
Okay, very good.
That's what I thought.
Okay.
Uh, have you had any luck with that, for starters?
Friday night, Saturday morning at 11 o'clock Pacific.
Wow, okay, great.
Now, I've got a suggestion for you.
I want to run this by you.
How about having a roundtable, or like a conference call with, say, Ed Gaines, Richard Hoagland, Michael Winderman, you can pick any one of that, any number of that group.
They all have very different things, sir.
Not really.
Richard would be able to converse with this guy in a way I think that would... I don't at all.
Well... What I'm driving at here is we've got to thrash out.
Whether or not we're really in trouble.
Well, thank you very much.
It's only a matter of how we best do that.
And I think that having Richard Hoagland, who does a lot of work on Mars and the Moon, would not be the person to have on with Major Daves.
What I want to do Friday night, Saturday morning, is we'll have enough time and I want to give you all more of an idea of what remote viewing is.
A lot of people don't understand.
what sci-tech is, what he did for the military, and what he's doing now in civilian life,
and then that will put into perspective for you what he says is going to occur.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Yeah, this is Lee in Lubbock.
Hello, Lee in Lubbock. How are you doing?
Just fine.
I was just calling, well, I guess you know it's the first time, but I was calling about the racism thing.
Yes, sir.
There's two books I found.
One, it's about LSD, actually, but they get into some really strange things about the CIA.
It's called Acid Dreams by a man named Bruce Cheyenne, I think his name is.
But they get into some real interesting things about the CIA involvement and things like the SDS and the Weatherman and all the big Activist groups in late 60s.
Yes, and it was saying they found documents saying I'm like one in six of the demonstrators at The Democrat Convention in Chicago was actually either hired by the CIA or paid by him, you know to cause trouble and um, I started looking at that and I started looking at like the LA riots and other things and um what I'm starting to see is like you have all these people blaming each other and And somebody gets them to point the finger and they're so caught up in this race deal where they've got to attack and hate each other that they miss the point.
And things like terrible social programs and eugenics programs and stuff are just going straight by them and they never see it.
They're just so focused on hating blacks and black saying whites.
It's getting to the point where you wonder if there's not a different agenda.
Well, alright, I see where you're headed.
You're trying to say the government is doing it.
The CIA is out here sponsoring it, encouraging it, whatever.
I don't think so.
Or, if there's something to that, there's not much to it.
You can't really create, uh, hatreds that aren't there.
They're really there.
That's an attempt to shift blame.
Say, uh, I'm not doing it.
I don't You know, it's not people out there really hating each other.
It's the CIA making them do it.
I don't believe in that.
Sorry.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Well, good morning, Art.
Good morning.
It's Mike in Blair, Nebraska.
Well, I'll be doggone.
Mike, you're going to get the honors this morning because this program is... seems to be ending.
Oh.
Well, the one thing I wanted to say first was white supremacist Christian is an oxymoron.
And on that note, From Blair, Nebraska... Good night, America!
There's a man who knows how to do it.
Thank you from Blair, Nebraska and all across this great land.
Thank you from the great American Southwest High Desert.
I'm Art Bell.
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