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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Charles Watson - Earthquakes

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these zillions of time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, east to the Caribbean, in the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and then a little jog out to the west to the Aleutian Islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a reason for saying that.
unidentified		And worldwide on the internet, this is post-to-post a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Underway for another week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell and it's great to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My passing machine earlier today began lighting up like a Christmas tree.
		There have been, well, we'll find out how many, but some very, very serious earthquakes in the Aleutian Island chain.
		And so, it was a good opportunity to bring Charles Watson on again.
unidentified		He is a consulting geologist.
unidentified		This morning he will consult with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's the owner of the geologic consulting firm Advanced Geologic Exploration in Reno.
		Founded in 1987, primary services include SeismoWatch and earthquake information and services, or were earthquake information and services, I guess I have to say, which include a weekly earthquake graphic in 27 newspapers in California,
		Nevada, Utah, soon in Washington, publishing the SeismoWatch newsletter, a comprehensive bulletin of weekly regional and worldwide earthquake info, earthquake alert bulletins, a rapid source of earthquake information via fax and email, and that's part of what lit up my facts earlier today, and the SeismoWatch web page, which is www.seismo-watch.com.
		www.seismo-watch.com.
		She's got a webpage.
		That's great.
		So in a moment, we will talk with a geologist about what in the world is going on in the Aleutians.
		It has been since I last talked with you.
		It is an absolutely amazing chain of events for a chain of islands.
unidentified		and we'll get to that in a moment You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember my friend Lynn Whitlake, who very much like me, frankly, loves violent weather?
		Now, I know a lot of people, you know, can't understand that, but we used to chase tornadoes, and Lynn has a passion for tornadoes.
		Well, Charles Watson is the equivalent of Lynn Whitlake with regard to earthquakes.
		Let me read you what he wrote.
		I've had the opportunity to ride through a few strong earthquakes and witness the Mount St. Helens volcanic eruptions.
		I'm probably different than most people in that when an earthquake begins, I get charged with excitement.
		My eyes begin searching everywhere for the effects, the motion of the ground, the buildings, trees, people, etc.
		Taking it all in as though I was a kid in a candy shop with 20 bucks to spend.
		It's the Earth's dynamic physical process in action.
		These are the things I live for.
		I guess that's why I'm a geologist.
		I understand that kind of passion, Charles.
		Believe me, I share it.
		If not for earthquakes, then for violent storms and tornadoes, but I understand the passion.
		A lot of people don't.
		They probably think you're very weird, don't they?
unidentified		I suspect there are probably a few.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevertheless, it makes for good radio and when somebody really enjoys what they do, I do, and I know you do, and so what the hell's going on in the Aleutians?
unidentified		It's come unglued, Art.
		This is a major quake.
		The USGS and Harvard just released the moment magnitude for this quake to be 7.9.
		Yeah, so they upped it a few points from the 7.7 they released earlier.
		So this is a major quake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And not everybody knows where the Aleutians are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are the Aleutians?
unidentified		The Aleutians are a string of islands that stretch between Alaska and the Kamchatka Peninsula and eastern Russia.
		The Bering Sea on one side and the Pacific Ocean on the other.
		It's where the Pacific Plate is being forced under the North American plate rather brutally.
		And every now and again it sticks and jars and spits and sputters and then finally it just goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now and again is now.
		Yeah, she's going.
		It's now.
		What has happened and over what period of time?
unidentified		Well, the quake happened last night, Alaska Standard Time, or Aleutian Standard Time, about 804, 803 p.m.
		And it initially began at the eastern portion, or excuse me, the western portion of the Andrianov Islands.
		The way they kind of grouped these islands, the little clusters of them occur.
		And if you head down the Alaska Peninsula, there's the Fox Island chain, there's the Andrianoff Islands, the Rat Islands, the Near Islands, then the Russian Islands take over, which is the common dwarf sea.
		Then you get into the Kamchaska Peninsula.
		So it's about right in the center of the main Aleutian Islands.
		And so in this little Aleutian Islands, it's a little group of islands called the Andrianovs.
		And this place just got rock and roll.
		There's not much out there, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		Yeah, it's pretty brutal weather out there.
		And most of these islands are volcanic islands in origin.
		And they spit and sputter every now and again.
		But the earthquakes are what really take off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How unusual is this?
unidentified		Well, there's been quite a few earthquakes in this century out there, mostly beginning about 1957 with the Great Aleutian 9.1 quake.
unidentified		This was the mother of all quakes, aside from the Alaska 64 quake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say 9.1?
unidentified		9.1, 1957.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big earthquake.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, that's the 64, the Great Alaska earthquake, measured 9.2.
		These are moment magnitudes.
		Yeah, this is calculated on the length of the rupture of the fault that ruptures and the amount of force or the energy that's released.
		And so those are some of the two largest quakes that have ever struck the world this century.
		And they fall second and third only from the Great Chilean quake, which was 1960.
		It measured 9.6.
		Yeah, that's a big quake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know a little bit about the Richter scale and how the magnitude increases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And anything over 9 is like a hydrogen bomb going off.
unidentified		Anything over an 8 is pretty large, alright?
unidentified		So with the Andrianov quake, we're pushing the envelope here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many quakes have there been roughly since the first WhizBanger?
unidentified		Well, there's been thousands so far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thousands.
unidentified		Yeah, thousands.
		And these range from little magnitudes to magnitudes.
		The largest aftershock was 7.2.
		I don't have a moment magnitude for that one yet, but it occurred about 12 hours after the initial jolt.
		So it's been about a dozen, maybe a little more than a dozen fives, about four or five dozen fours.
		When earthquakes, aftershock sequences happen this fast, it's tough to get reliable information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, are there any research centers out there, you know, sort of isolated military outposts or anything at all there?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		There's the ADAC naval station out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ADAC, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, ADAC.
unidentified		It's right there within the rupture zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd be an interesting group to talk to right now, wouldn't they?
unidentified		Well, I doubt if you'd get anything, you know.
		You know, it's national security.
		They're going to say no damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We felt nothing.
unidentified		Right.
		Oh, no, they felt it strongly, but no damage.
		You know, and you I imagine over a period of a month or so, some information will come out that, you know, those poor cinder walls were knacked flat or something.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we then tie that to when California falls in the ocean?
unidentified		I don't know.
		But I've got to tell you, Art, this has been real exciting for the month of June.
		We normally issue about 20 bulletins a month on an average.
		And for the first 10 days, I've issued 22 so far in the month of June.
		I mean, it's really coming unglued.
		Let me give you some numbers real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Okay, in January, there were 10 quakes measuring 6.0 or larger.
		In February, there were 20.
		In March, there were 15.
		In April, there were 7.
		In May, there were 7.
		And already, in the month of June, there were 8 in the first 10 days.
		So what it kind of says is that February and March were kind of a high cycle.
		If you look at earthquake cycles, you don't want to look too closely at them, but just kind of generally you can kind of arm wave and say, well, gosh, February there was 20, in March there were 15.
		That's pretty robust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you track them this way, can you discern any pattern?
		Is there any pattern as far back as you can look?
		I don't know how far back you can look, but is there a discernible pattern?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, well, following April and May, I can say that definitely we're on a swing of seismicity.
		There are things happening now that it's mind-boggling.
		And this is what happened in 1995 when we had the most 6.0s ever recorded during a year.
		And we got 192, and I know I left a couple of them out, and there could be over 200 of them once all the final analysis are done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
unidentified		And that's impressive.
unidentified		That's really impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does history tell you about what will happen next?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will this be followed by something toward Japan in Southeast Asia or the Indian Ocean, South America, here?
unidentified		You know, that's really hard to say.
		You know, you look at some, or I've looked at some of the data, and it says that sometimes it gets, you know, seismicity starts ringing like a bell.
		The planet starts popping them off right and left.
		But other times, Art, it just gets quiet again.
		And it's just like the twig breaks and the forest gets quiet.
		But other times, it's like a herd of buffaloes run through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's this moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When will we get to the point, do you think we'll ever get to the point, Charles, where, you know, as we get a weather forecast, as problematic as it might be regarding correctness for any given time, we'll get an earthquake forecast?
unidentified		I hope so.
		I'm looking for that.
		I think that there's real good potential.
		There are some cutting-edge scientists working on a lot of different avenues for doing this.
		I think that the larger database we can put together, the more frequency...
		I mean, I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me compare it, Charles, to the weather.
		You know, when you watch the weather at night and they've got a tornado box, you know, they've computed where the hot and cold weather are going to clash, where conditions are going to be right, and they put a box in there and talk about violent weather, maybe with damaging hail, high winds, tornadoes.
		Couldn't we get to the point where a box like that could be drawn for earthquake probability?
unidentified		I hope that sometime in the future we can get to that point.
		I really do.
		I think that you can see seismic gaps right now for certain areas, notably like the Hayward Fault.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, the Hayward Fault.
		A lot of people have been writing to me about the Hayward Fault.
		What's going on with that?
		A lot of people, of course, are very concerned with Hayward.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, that's a very active.
		I grew up near Hayward, so I've got some local interest there.
		And so it's actually seismically, it's somewhat doing its normal thing.
		It's got a couple of minor clicks every now and again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Someone sent me, oh, I know what it was.
		I remember now.
		Somebody sent me a piece of email that said the Hayward Fault, which is normally just sort of sludging along at a slow pace, has been lunging.
		Did you hear anything about that?
unidentified		Yeah, there was a creep meter.
		Creep meters measure the soil displacement across the fault.
		What's happening in the near surface, the real, like 10 meters or so, top 30 feet.
		And usually this moves right after rainstorms.
		You wet the ground, the ground gets wet, and then the friction gives way and it kind of surges maybe a centimeter or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I mean, a centimeter surge really isn't a whole lot.
		But what happened was there was something like 17 centimeters.
		It surged during a brief two to three week period down near South Fremont someplace.
		I forget exactly where.
		But it was something like 2,000% over normal, and people got kind of concerned.
		One report said that a utility line, a water line, was fractured during the surge.
		That's nothing people feel, though, because...
		It's a real slow, perceptible process.
		But you talk to geologists, and they'll look at these gauges and monitors and just, like it's happening in almost real time, just jump up and down.
		But it takes a couple days to actually occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you say that that leads you to believe there might be seismic activity or just the opposite, that there is movement so it won't lunge?
unidentified		Well, personally, I look at that and I go, well, that's different than what happened before.
		Something's changed.
		And the top USGS seismologists are saying that the seismic shadow, which is kind of a strain shadow, was placed from the Wilma Prieta earthquake in 1989.
		It kind of relieved the strain along the Hayward Fault.
		And so that it just didn't, all the creeps stopped, all the micro-earthquakes slowed down.
		But they're saying now that perhaps that shadow has kind of gone away.
		And we can expect to start seeing increased seismicity in that direction again.
		Yeah, yeah.
		And the Calaveras fault, which is another offshoot of the Hayward, just a little bit to the east, is another one of equally high importance.
		It's got just as long a rupture, possible rupture zone, and it cuts through towns like Danville, Pleasanton, Fenoll, I mean, some areas which are heavily populated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to test your craziness quotient here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you knew, this will be a several-part question, if you knew where there was going to be a 6.0 earthquake and you knew for sure where it was going to be, and you knew where the exact epicenter was going to be, and you were certain of this, would you go stand on the epicenter?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
unidentified		Oh, I'd definitely be outside, though.
unidentified		I wouldn't be in any tallest building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		But yeah, if I could go outside, if I could be outside and an earthquake were to happen, it's exciting.
unidentified		It's exhilarating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I understand that because I chase storms, tornadoes.
		Now, this is a multi-part question.
		6.0.
		Would you go stand at the epicenter at 7.0?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		8.0?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		9.
unidentified		Well, I wouldn't be standing in an 9.
unidentified		I think I'd take a seat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to see where your breaking point might be here.
unidentified		I wouldn't want to be around any trees or any hillsides in an earthquake like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would increasingly then pick your point of observation more carefully.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, they're the key to that, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are scientists who have predicted some earthquakes, sometimes successfully, and I wonder if they go sit on the or stand on what they conclude is going to be the epicenter and check it out.
		All right.
		Listen, Charles, hold on.
		I'll be back to you in just a moment.
		We've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		And again, we've got Charles here because there has been an incredible series of earthquakes in the Aleutian Islands.
		Way out there.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		on this, Somewhere in Time.
		Thank you.
		Now we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go again.
		I'm going to give you an opportunity to ask Charles Watson, consulting geologist, a question in a moment.
		So if you've got something you would like to ask about earthquakes, now would be a good time to do it.
		All right, now back to Charles Watson.
		Charles, are you there?
unidentified		Yep, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So you would not care then to try your predictive powers, I take it, and tell us where or what you expect from here with this.
		In other words, more in the islands?
		Will it move around the Ring of Fire?
		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, you know, one of the good things about being in the public eye like I am is that I try not to do the predicting things.
		I leave that up to Gordon and some other people.
		But what I do is I just kind of keep track of everything for everybody.
		And so what I've been doing is just putting together one of the best archive resources around for earthquakes.
		It's the only private or corporate kind of thing that we've got going besides USGS.
		And some people, what I do is I kind of review everything a little bit more, you know, kind of gather information from a lot of different sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really like your facts service.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I like.
		I get information from you, boom, just like that.
		Oh, by the way, this Aleutian quake, how deep was it?
unidentified		Well, there have been two estimates, both of which are really shallow.
		USGF put it at about six kilometers.
		For a thrusting kind of earthquake, that's really shallow.
		I can't see those boys on a deck staying on their feet.
		But the Harvard group put it at about 24 kilometers, which probably may be more realistic.
		Anyway, it ruptured 100 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah, it went about 100 miles.
unidentified		It's fairly outstanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can hear us very well out on ADAC.
		Really?
		They can.
		I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
		I don't know why I'm going to do it, but I'm going to try.
		I'm going to open my West of the Rockies line and restrict it to the Aleutians.
		I've never even had, well, maybe I have had a call from the Aleutians.
		But it would be interesting, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, I would love to get some first-hand reports from people that are out on the Aleutians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This would have been felt how far away?
unidentified		Oh, probably a couple hundred miles.
unidentified		But, you know, when you're out in the middle of the Pacific like it is, there's not a whole lot of establishments out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me try this.
		If you're west of the Rockies, everybody hang up.
		And let me hold my toll-free line open for anybody out in the Aleutians.
		I'm not sure this is going to work.
		Gee, can they call on the toll-free line?
		Yeah, they should be able to.
		Try it.
		The Aleutian Island chain only.
		And we'll see if a call can come through from there.
		I rather doubt it.
		Charles, are you there?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		All right, let's Oh.
		One of the things that's really interesting is that it re-ruptured the same area that ruptured in 1986.
		But what's really interesting is the same spot also ruptured back in 1965.
		So, or excuse me, 1957.
		And so this area, just right off the Andrianov Islands, has just been a rocking and rolling kind of place.
		And there are several other areas along the trench, along the Aleutian Islands, that they have these seismic gaps that everybody thought, a lot of the seismologists thought that if you're going to get a major earthquake, it's going to be in the Schumigan Islands, for example, or along the Alaska Peninsula, which last ruptured in 1938.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charles, if you go way back, is this because the continents were connected and they're pulling apart, or what's the big picture?
unidentified		Well, the big picture is that the Pacific Plate is just moving northward, just like it's moving northward off the coast of California and northern or central North America.
		It's moving northward and displacing rocks and pushing.
		So it's got to butt up against something.
		And what it has is the North America Plate kind of just sticks out across the Bering Sea and kind of wraps around towards Siberia and down into Japan.
		And the Pacific Plate is just being forced underneath the North American plate.
		And right in the Andriano Islands, Something happens to the plate.
		It doesn't go down smoothly.
		There's a very strange transition in which it dives very shallowly and then it steepens up real radically.
		And there's a lot of seismicity related to that real steepening area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's give it a try.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Kodiak Island, Alaska, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kodiak Island, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, we're at the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're at the beginning of the Aleutians.
unidentified		Pretty much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell us?
unidentified		Well, I do have some other information for you.
		We've actually had three earthquakes that began on Saturday.
		And the first one was 6.3, and then one Sunday evening at 8.03, and then one this morning.
		And I was just curious if it could be really related to the volcano at Accutan in any way.
		And just want to let you guys know that.
		Yeah.
		Well, I haven't heard from my buddies about the volcanoes doing anything unusual.
		I imagine at the end of tomorrow, we'll get some information on what's happening with the volcanoes.
		Because sometimes when you get big quakes, they do, like shaking a can of warm soda pot.
		You know, they just go fizz.
		Right, we had gotten some tsunami warnings here in Kodiak, but they had all been canceled, luckily.
		So it didn't generate a very big wave, about a two-footer over there around ADAC or so.
		That's right, right.
		And it really dissipated quickly.
		So we were lucky this time, but have to wait and see what happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		Let's continue to try to do that.
		Well, we got pretty close there.
		Well, without being able to forecast, Charles, it's sort of whatever is going to happen is going to happen, eh?
unidentified		Well, you know something, Mart, it's been really kind of interesting what's happening on the micro-seismic level.
		When you look at April and May, seismicity worldwide just dropped.
		Real large earthquakes just dropped like a rock.
		There was nothing going on.
		But at the same time, micro-seismicity in North America increased substantially.
		And this is when we got the 4.7 San Jose earthquake.
		This is when we got the 5.4, 5.2 Duval earthquake in Washington.
		There's been some, there was a 4.0 in Chalice, Idaho, a 4.3 in the Wyoming-Idaho border.
		Yellowstone started picking up.
		Oh, and even interesting, for all you listeners on the East Coast, we have a map of the St. Lawrence Seaway, the seismicity in the upper New England, southeastern Canada.
		And the activity nearly tripled in that area during this time.
		And it's still active there.
		So they've been getting little quakes over there in Maine and New Hampshire, and the Western Quebec seismic zone has been quiet, but the upper St. Lawrence has been...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looks like we lost Charles.
		So what I'm going to do here is take a very quick break.
		And I'm going to get Charles back online.
		I don't know how that happened, but it happens every now and then.
unidentified		The phone company just goes, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Line finished.
		Click.
		So we'll be right back.
unidentified		Pshh
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, I believe that we've got him back again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charles, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry about that.
		Every now and then, as I said, the phone company just decides this line is no longer viable.
		Click.
		I think I may have somebody else in the ADAC chain.
		Let's find out.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Port Baller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
unidentified		Well, it's one of the Fox Islands.
		I'm not sure the name of the island, actually.
		Did you feel the quake?
		Oh, yeah.
		Really?
		Yeah, good shaker.
		We had a tsunami warning, which is a tidal wave.
		The Alaska Tsunami Warning Center made a big warning deal last night, but now it's like it never happened.
		It never came to pass.
		Right.
		Have you had any word from any of the personnel over there on ADAC?
		No, I haven't heard anything from it, other than what I hear on the radio, the news.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you in the chain of islands?
unidentified		Well, it's a little bit west of Dutch Harbor.
		They're the Fox Islands.
		I forget the name of the actual island, is it?
		Omnik?
		Omniak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Omniak, is that right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's so many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you know where he'd be roughly, Charles?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, that's in the eastern portion of the Aleutian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The chain?
		All right.
		Well, we very much appreciate it.
		And you say you felt it go.
unidentified		I woke up.
unidentified		And nothing wakes me up except your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we deeply appreciate the call and keep your feet on the ground.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		See you.
		There's, again, the Aleutians.
		We're getting the eastern portion of the Aleutians anyway.
unidentified		They had a couple of quakes back there in Fox Islands about two months back.
		And then the Akaton volcano had a huge form.
		They thought that thing was going to go.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There have been a lot of volcanoes that have come right up to the edge, aren't there?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, it's been interesting following the news on volcanoes.
		It's hard to get it, but every year it gets better and better as worldwide internet services get better.
		Recently there's been a new program to get the Kamchatka volcanoes.
		Now these volcanoes are very active and they're steaming and smoking all the time.
		And that's now become almost a weekly report and which is Now available from the Alaska Volcanic Observatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of causal relationship is there?
		Is there one between volcanic action and earthquakes?
		Do we know for sure or do we guess?
unidentified		Well, the most famous one is the Mount St. Helens one, I guess.
		You know, you have the 5.3 earthquake that causes the landslide, and ba-boom.
		And that's probably one of the most famous current earthquakes that shook a volcano into action.
		The Hawaiian Islands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I want to ask this.
		Do you think there is some sort of direct connection, or do you think it's a causal relationship?
		In other words, earthquake goes, it causes a rupture or the beginning of something in a volcano, or do you think there's some sort of direct connection with underground magma?
unidentified		Well, it's kind of a symbiotic relationship, Art.
		Sometimes the volcano just gets active, and it produces earthquakes.
		Sometimes the earthquakes get strong.
		Other times, strong earthquakes cause the volcano to get active.
		You know, you remember the Mammoth Lakes thing, is that you can get swarms happening without really a lot of magma moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could there ever be such a thing as a geological domino falling?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, could it ever really get going and there would just be many, many severe things that would all set each other off in an ever-increasing sort of cascade?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		There's been some really neat articles coming out about cascade theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I hadn't read any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was just a guess.
unidentified		No, they call it cascade theory.
		And it's kind of like a zipper happening.
		The fault kind of zips, you know, it kind of chugs and goes.
		And one quake kind of spurs on the next quake, that spurs on the next quake that gets a big one going.
		And after a while, after it's all over and done with, you've got 300 miles of rupture.
		And this is what they kind of fear for the San Andreas at some point in time, is that could it be possible that you get the huge mega quake?
		And I attended a prominent Seismological Association meeting in St. Louis back in the spring in which this was a major topic.
		And it was the first time I'd ever heard the top-level seismologist discussing what they called M. God-Awful, which is the huge quake that everybody kind of doesn't want to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, doesn't want to talk about his right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But had what occurred in the Aleutians occurred in L.A., what would be going on today, just as a matter of interest?
unidentified		Well, I think there'd be a lot of business opportunities going on.
		So there would be a lot of havoc, I think.
		It'd be a very disastrous sort of affair for a lot of people, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've watched the Orient.
		We went through a whole giant spada quakes there, Japan, north of Japan, then down near the Indian Ocean, and even in South America, now in Alaska.
		So all these areas have been so active at various times, and yet the West Coast, even though it's had a couple minor or mid-level occurrences, really more minor, has not let loose.
		Are we due?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		It's a good time to be into earthquake reporting art.
		I mean, from a geologist's point of view, this is really exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess.
unidentified		Because it's happening now.
		This is what's going on.
		And when I look at North America, when I look at the western coast of North America, even inland, in the Rocky Mountains region all the way to the east coast, and I look at past seismicity patterns, it doesn't seem like they match.
		Something's gone really quiet.
		It looks like we should be having a few more of these sixes and sevens happening.
		But they're not happening.
		And so you tap your finger and you go, when are they going to occur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when it goes quiet and it stays quiet for a long time in a particular area, is there more reason to be then concerned, do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a reasonable assumption?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		Standard plate tectonics says that the plates are in constant motion.
		And so that you always have these plates that are moving, and they have to relieve the strain of, you know, because they bind and they don't quite move and they build up strain and then they go.
		And so that process of building strain is always going on.
		Places like Parkfield or a famous place called San Juan Batista, along with San Andreas Falls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know where it is, yes.
unidentified		They have Active Creep in which they get a few dozen ones, twos, and threes each week.
unidentified		We've got a newspaper down there that we submit a SeismoWatch graphic to, and it's really exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, we've got to get going.
		Now I will get back to you as events dictate.
		This is very interesting in the Illusions, though, Charles.
		I want to thank you for coming on.
		Tell people how to get involved with your fax setup.
		I love that.
unidentified		Yeah, if they'd like to get a fax, they can call us at 1-800-852-2960 and request a fax bulletin.
		And we can send those out to them and see if they like those.
		We also do email.
		They can go visit our webpage at www.seismo-watch.com and they can leave me or our group a message that they'd like to receive these bulletins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but I really, really, really love your fact service.
		I mean, I get, boom, an earthquake occurs, and I've got a nice drawing of the world geography, shows me just where it is and all the information about it.
		That's 1-800-852-2960, right?
		That's it.
		All right.
		Charles, I want to thank you for being here, and we're going to All watch this very, very carefully and see where it goes from here.
		And if it does go from here, we'll have you back on.
unidentified		Talk to you the next quake, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Charles.
		He's our earthquake reporter.
		He's a geologist, consulting geologist, Charles Watson.
		And when it shakes, he's here.
		That's sort of part of the show.
		So I thought I'd catch you up with what's been going on in the Aleutians.
		You never know.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		We'll be able to fly, baby I'm the man.
		La la la la la.
		La la la la la la la.
		Thank you.
		Premier Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The following is entitled The Clinton's High Flight.
		Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of truth and danced the lies of laughter's tainted wings.
		To the White House I've climbed and joined the tumbling troop of fatuous fools and done a hundred things you have not dreamed of.
		Wheeled and soared and swung high in the motel-like obscurity.
		Hovering there, I've chased the shouted big lie along and led the eager Hillary through footless halls of air, down down the long delirious depths of sleazy grace, where never eagle nor even bat flew.
		And while with empty, sinking mind, I've trod the low trespassed sanctity of faith, put out my arms, and kissed the lips of Marx.
unidentified		music
unidentified		That's the Clinton's high flight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somebody sent me a CIA license plate.
unidentified		It's really cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This says, hello, Art.
		Of course you can put your nice new CIA license plate on your vehicle and drive around.
		Please bear in mind, though, you must first obtain a jet black four-door sedan.
		Then place your CIA license plate on the vehicle in Presto.
		You then have a choice of using a JATO when chased by a cop or leaving at home.
		However, you'll also need a genuine unadulterated CIA get-out-of-jail free cart.
		Also, you must dress up in a black suit, black socks, and black tie.
		Don't forget the dark sunglasses.
		This should also allow you to carry automatic weapons as well as a couple of grenades right there in the front seat of your untouchable black sedan as you drive around terrifying little ladies and their dogs.
		Think about the publicity you'll generate plus the new sinister wave of MIB men in black reports that you will be responsible for creating.
		Have fun, Dave.
		Well, somehow I just don't think it would be very impressive on my metro.
		So I can't do it there.
		I'm not going to do it.
		And yeah, I guess the CIA plate on the metro wouldn't carry much weight at all, even if I had the rest of the outfit, you know, the sunglasses and everything else.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello, Arbelt.
		That would be me.
unidentified		This is Jeff in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jeff.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Do you want some information about the Identity Christian?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		We just had some.
		What I would really like to know, Jeff, if you know something about them.
unidentified		Well, I myself am an identity Christian.
		You're National Socialist Chinese Christian.
		Are you in Houston?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're a Nationalist Socialist skinhead.
unidentified		Yeah, I am also an Identity Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Identity Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you apply Christian principles to the concept of white supremacy?
unidentified		Well, first off, one of the main concepts of identity Christian is that the Jews are not God's chosen people.
unidentified		Well, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whether they are or not, how are whites supreme?
unidentified		Well, I was inclined to get into a religious discussion with you because you don't like Bible verses over the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you're the one who started out with a I'm a Christian identity person, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're a white supremacist.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even a skinny.
		I'm a white separatist.
		Well, now wait a minute.
		You moved away from that one pretty quick.
		Either you are a white supremacist, which means you believe the white race is supreme.
unidentified		Well, I don't know if I move myself away from all non-whites, then who do I have to be superior over?
unidentified		So therefore, I'm a white separatist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, the only reason you like the other races here is so you can feel superior.
unidentified		No, I don't like the fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lord and over.
unidentified		I don't like the other races here, period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		Yeah, in the race where it's coming.
unidentified		But my point of the call was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if they were gone, then who would you hate?
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		I don't hate anybody except for the Jews for what they did to my Savior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hate the Jews.
unidentified		Okay, my point of the call was, Art was to contact Pastor Butler at the Church of Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nation.
unidentified		and he could uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you get it maybe even have him again as a guest on your show like you did william pierce but the whole thing sounds so totally ridiculous to me Maybe I should just to try and find out again.
		Thanks for the call, but I think you sort of self-destruct it a little bit.
		Because it's my understanding that white supremacy, not separatism, but supremacy, is the ideology that they claim.
		And they apply, somehow they apply Christian principle and doctrine to this.
		I don't know how.
		I guess they figure maybe God's white.
		You ever think about that?
		God's white.
		What color God is?
		You really think God has a color?
		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Lily white's got to be lily white, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on.
unidentified		Sheesh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can people believe this stuff?
		And yet they do.
		Oh, they do.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Very good.
unidentified		Yeah, calling from Talmadge, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Talmadge, Ohio?
unidentified		Talmadge, Ohio, a little suburb between Cleveland and somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very good.
unidentified		Cleveland and the cows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yeah, these whites are hermitist dudes.
		I'll tell you what.
		I don't know what, you know, if God is love, no one is supreme but the man who gave us love.
		You know?
		What can you say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I can't figure out this whole movement.
		The whole movement doesn't make sense.
unidentified		This whole movement is based on a false premise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know what?
		It may be getting worse, sir.
		I mean, this black church-burning thing, if it's not a conspiracy, then it's even worse.
unidentified		Well, you mentioned the other day I was talking to your show, you mentioned Dr. Pierce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, who wrote that infamous book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Actually, I believe you probably read the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Turner Diaries.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yeah, which is, I mean, even in an editorial sense, it's very badly written.
		You know, it's nothing spectacular.
		I mean, if you want to talk about something like the CNN expose, which was done last week on the book, are you familiar with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Patriots and Prophets?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		Correct.
		You know, unfortunately, I think they kind of missed the point.
		They spent so much emphasis on how the book influences people in a negative way, as though this book, in other words, they gave the book more appeal than it probably deserves.
		You know, because it's, like I said, even as far as books go, and as far as the idea goes, both of them are nonsensical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem with it is, sir, thank you.
		If you listen to Dr. Pierce, his delivery was literate, articulate, carefully presented, and just dangerous as hell because of all of the above.
		He is a brilliant man who
		And I would bet that a lot of the rest of you heard it exactly and feel exactly the same way.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Howdy, this is Bear Palm from Big Lake, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just got back from fighting fires and wondered if you guys heard about our fire up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we talked a whole lot about it last week, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		Oh, there, eh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		We must not have been the people that were there, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, the people who were fighting the fire at the time were fighting the fire and couldn't call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we talked to people all over that area who were within, you know, just a few miles of it or even closer.
unidentified		Well, you know, this is going to be something that's going to be hard to come out of my mouth, being an anti-government kind of person.
		I'm not a Freeman.
		I'm definitely in Portman now, though.
		We got burnt to the ground, but that's not a sad thing because everybody did.
		You just don't feel the same when it happened to everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to say something good about the government.
unidentified		How did you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a wild guess.
unidentified		You know, I was never so disappointed in our local government.
		I mean, the guys that I thought were in touch with you, they didn't do such a good job.
		But when those federal guys came and those National Guard, I mean, it was just unbelievable how friendly.
		I've never met friendlier people.
		I mean, you know, you can't get into town to save your house.
		They're stopping you at the road and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's to save your life.
unidentified		Yeah, and they are, I mean, this is unreal.
		You know, I'm as hostile as you can be as far as trying to be determined to get where I needed to go.
		But, I mean, no matter what, these people were just friendly, understanding, explaining, honest.
		I have yet to hear anybody deny anything.
		I mean, I just am shocked.
		And I like to just thank Clinton and all the, you know, just all the people that came here.
		And I have to do a lot of rethinking of what my idea of paying taxes were and a lot of things.
		I just like to thank a lot of those people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		That's really good to hear.
		That's really good to hear.
		And I'm glad you called, sir.
		Government is not all bad.
		And not all government is bad.
		And it does do some things pretty well.
		And what it did in Alaska, it has done well.
		Actually, if the truth is known, this administration, in responding to disasters and troubles, has been, you know, it's been very responsive.
		So there's somebody who's very anti-government and just had a different kind of experience.
		And I'm very glad you called and said it.
		Because government is not all bad, and it's easy to perceive that it is.
		We'll be back in just one moment.
unidentified		Pewds Pewds Pewds Pewds What?
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Music East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Eric in Nashville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Eric.
unidentified		Hey, I asked you a long time ago about the tornado in Van Buren.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		About, I don't know, I'd gone through there, and I just wrote you a note about, I don't know, how it was really bad.
		My fiancé lived there and how bad it was.
		Well, I went back and got married, and I went through the place, and she kind of tore me through the area that had been ravaged by the tornado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I mean, you could see the path where it went down the mountain and right through these neighborhoods.
		And you could see the houses that were demolished.
		I mean, we went through one of the neighborhoods.
		got hit really bad.
		I mean, House is just...
		Yeah, matchsticks.
		I mean, it was really weird because I was going through there and there's all these houses.
		They're just torn to bits.
		And they got like state farm and then their address on there because of so many adjusters coming out or whatever and looking at it.
		It was just kind of a weird comment on or just a weird site to see something like that.
		And just an amazing thing.
		It was like a vacuum cleaner had gone through there and hit it.
		And I had been gone for a while.
		I hadn't listened to you or whatever, but it was just an amazing thing to see the forces of nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to say that Mother Nature is amazing, and tornadoes are an amazing part of Mother Nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we unusually have most of the world's tornadoes right here.
unidentified		Yeah, I've noticed someone had asked a while back when you did this thing about whether or not there were tornadoes in Europe and in big cities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very rare.
unidentified		Yeah, and it was funny how I started thinking about how you just hear about it in the United States.
unidentified		I don't know if they really have them in other places, but you just kind of hear about it here or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very, very rare.
		Thank you.
		My friend Lynn sent me a tape with two hours of the most spectacular tornado footage ever captured on film or videotape or whatever.
		It is a tape I will treasure.
		It took him a long time to, actually a lifetime to put together.
		And it is incredible.
		Just incredible.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		This is the Reverend again from St. Paul.
		I hope I'm not annoying you calling so much, but I just love your show.
		And what I wanted to talk about is switches with every caller.
		Is what?
		The topic I want to talk to you about, like switches, the first I decide, well, maybe I should talk about the Kentucky Derby.
		Then someone will call up and say, well, then I'm thinking, maybe I should talk about this.
		Maybe I should talk about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you want to talk about?
unidentified		Well, I just wanted to tell you something that I decided more I've been meaning to write you a letter or a fact or something just about to tell you how you've influenced and motivated my life.
		And this is a thank you.
		I hope you don't.
		You know how to take compliments, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not very well.
		Let's hear it.
		I'll try.
unidentified		Okay.
		I just want to say thank you, first off, for opening my mind so much.
		And you've really influenced me in the direction to move in my life, being a young man at 24.
		And at first, you know, first with the quickening, you know, I wasn't even aware of it until I started listening to your show.
		And now I see evidence of it all over, and including my life personally.
		I personally am going through some spiritual quickening, which I really don't understand.
		But, you know, it's been improving my relationship with what I perceive as God and increasing my understanding.
		And a lot of that has to do with you.
		A lot of it has to do with other things, too.
		But I've decided to put you in the honored position as my hero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Because you do, I mean, I've decided a long time ago that what I want to do with my life is three main things.
		Educate, motivate, and entertain not only myself, but the public.
		And that's something you do for me and to millions of people every night.
		And I've long been an opinion, ever since I started listening to you, I think we need, I know you don't want to do TV, but I think we need someone like you to do TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's find someone like me to do it then.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I guess I've decided I want to try.
		You know, I'm my local cable access station.
		I've put stuff on.
		So I think I'm going to start producing a show that deals with the same topics.
		And who knows, I probably won't even begin to get the level or the guests that you get on because I realize that it takes someone to be established as well as you are to get those kind of guests on.
		But start small cable access.
		And who knows, maybe in 5, 10, 15 years, I'll get picked up by a network or go on to a syndication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's how I did it.
unidentified		Any advice you could give me about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
		Yes.
		Decide what it is you're going to do, and then don't deviate from that.
		And don't listen to any other of the million program directors that you're going to run into telling you that what you're doing is dumb and will never work.
		That's my advice.
		In other words, stick to your original founding principles.
unidentified		Focus and change my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Focus, focus, focus.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take a nice day.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a nice day.
		All right.
		That is my advice.
		That's what I've done.
		Follow your own, you know, it sounds like Something out of the Wizard of Oz or something, but follow your original founding principles.
		Television, radio, really with any endeavor.
		It doesn't have to be in the broadcast field.
		With any endeavor.
		If you form a company dedicated to quality, then no matter how you grow, you've got to find a way to continue that dedication to quality.
		And if you do, you will succeed.
		It is as simple as that.
		And generally, when people tell you that you can't do what you're doing, if you know they're wrong, then don't listen to them.
		One of the biggest mistakes you can make is to begin to listen to people who think they, now that you've achieved some level of success, they are sure they know what you should do.
		Well, they don't.
		You know what you should do.
		You've always known, so keep doing it.
		That is my advice, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		On this, Somewhere in Time.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Associated Press article, headline, Huge Quake Rattles Illusions, No Damage.
		It was a huge earthquake, and there have been many, many aftershocks.
		The Illusions are really shaking.
		And in the first hour, we had a geologist, Charles Watson, on, talked about it.
		Interesting.
		Wonder where it goes from here.
		He can't tell us.
		Maybe one of these days, huh?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Ralph, we're not allowed.
		We're going to have to start all over again.
		The only rule we have here is you're not allowed to put your last name on the air.
		Okay.
		So let's try it again.
		You're calling from Joshua Tree, and you're Ralph.
unidentified		Okay.
		My name is Ralph.
		I'm from Joshua Tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Okay, and I want to, you just mentioned something about the earthquakes that we've been having.
unidentified		We had an earthquake here in Joshua Tree, if you're not, if you remember, about a 7.2 or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall it, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Afterwards, we had a severe smell of sulfur that had come up for a few days, and we were all wondering what it was.
		And the authorities said it was from the Salton Sea, and it had come up into the upper desert up here.
		And it had dissipated after a couple of days.
		But we had, you know, a lot of us knew about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's better than thinking you're about to become a volcano.
unidentified		Correct.
		And I just wanted to bring it to attention that they just had that similar situation happen in L.A. down there by Burbank in the Glendale area of a smell where they were also looking for the cause of it and weren't able to find it.
		And after a few days, again, it disappeared.
		And I wanted to bring it to the attention that to everybody's attention that after an earthquake, I do believe that there are gases that are released.
		And the sulfur smell that they had encountered is somewhat similar to what happens after an earthquake in a volcanic area.
		That's one question.
		Another thing that I was thinking about was the church situation.
		I do believe the government is correct in their belief that there isn't a conspiracy because the situation that I was involved with with the L.A. burnings, where the riots became very shop owners that were
		not blacks and saw that they had been rebuilt basically through the government aids and things like that and loans.
		I think that it's a possibility.
		I don't know if you can reflect on this or not, but I think is it a possibility that they are doing it themselves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, no.
		I don't think so at all.
		I think that's ridiculous myself.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		And I know that there are those out there that are suggesting that.
		And of course the FBI, that was one of the complaints I think a lot of the pastors were making yesterday in the news conference.
		Was that the FBI was treating them as though they had been doing it and had been having them take lie detector tests and that sort of thing.
		Do I think the blacks are burning their own churches?
		No.
		I don't.
		And of those who have been arrested thus far, have any of them been black?
		No.
		They're not.
		So that's my answer.
		No, I don't think so.
		I don't think these pastors are torching their own churches, nor any of the congregation.
		I think these things are obviously racially motivated.
		And those arrested so far have had apparent racial motivation.
		If it is not a conspiracy and it's a general trend, then we're really in trouble.
		Really in trouble.
		I would much rather believe it to be a conspiracy sick.
		Besides, what do people think they're going to do?
		It's like the guy who sent me the facts.
		What do people think they're going to achieve with this?
		What's more likely to kick you off than anything else in the whole world?
		Somebody burns your church.
		I don't care what you believe in or what your religion is.
		Whether you're Jew, whether you're a Christian, whether you're Muslim, I don't care what religion you are.
		What's more likely to get you up to fighting speed than burning your church or your place of worship?
		It's ridiculous.
		It's going to have the exact opposite effect, of course.
		It's the very worst thing you could do.
		Unless your intent, of course, is to create some sort of race war.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey.
		Surprised to get through to you.
		You only rang three times this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can get lucky.
unidentified		Got a comment about the white supremac Christians.
		I was born and raised in the South and have a strong reason to believe that my father was a Klan member.
		And it gives me cold chills when you laugh at the idea because I don't know if you realize it, but most of your Klan members historically and currently are Christians who believe that they're chosen by God to clean the country up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm not laughing at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm disgusted by it.
unidentified		But it's, you know, it's, uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how can you believe whites to be all-supreme and then at the same time be a good Christian?
unidentified		It doesn't make sense to me.
unidentified		I don't understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But in the church bombings in Birmingham in 67, I think it was, I've forgotten the year, my father almost threw me out of the house because I had the audacity to be disturbed that children were killed in church.
unidentified		I mean, he was so, so pleased with what had happened and so upset with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		That he almost, he would have hit me.
		Somebody had to hold him back physically and tell him, she doesn't understand.
		Thank God I never understood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, let's talk about the Unabomber for a second.
		You remember Ted Kaczynski, the Unibomber?
		His brother, as you know, turned him in.
		Yeah, yeah.
		And you must have had similar thoughts and been troubled in a similar way.
		I mean, to imagine your dad was a Klan member, might have been out doing some of this stuff.
unidentified		Thank God I didn't realize it until after he was dead.
		It didn't all come together for me until I was an adult.
		That's why I say probably.
		I'm not sure.
		I just remember as a small child, he took me with him a lot of times in the evening when he would go and get together with a bunch of his friends.
		And I remember some of the comments I heard and some of the attitudes, which were definitely very, very strongly anti-black, very racist.
		And I remember a couple of things that I was with him at.
		Nothing as obvious as a crossburning, of course.
		But looking back on it now, I think these must have been Klan meetings, not the hood and robe kind of making a point thing, but just getting together and chewing the fat kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
		Where are you?
		What part of the South?
unidentified		Okay, I'm in Georgia, but at that time I was born and raised in North Alabama, Coleman County.
		And when I found out that that was one of the places of one of the largest Klan training grounds some years ago, it sort of fell together.
		And I realized, oh, my God.
		And the irony of it is my mother is part Cherokee who was born and raised in this general area, which means historically the way the Cherokees survived after the March West was to mix and live with the blacks in the area.
		So historically, the chances of her not having some black ancestry are slimming none.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did your dad reconcile that?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I never spoke with him about it and didn't, you know, wasn't aware of this.
		Well, he was alive.
		He died in 71.
		And so I never, I don't know.
		I was only 15 when he died and never confronted him with a lot of these things because it just didn't fall together for me until after he was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is your mother alive?
unidentified		Yes, she is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever talked to her about it?
unidentified		We don't talk about daddy.
		My folks divorced before earlier, and my father wound up with custody.
		And mother, she went through a period of alcoholism and a lot of problems.
		And she remembers less about the time than I do, which is not much.
		I laugh.
		It's not funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		But I really appreciate your call, and we will continue with this topic.
		No, it's not.
		There's nothing funny about it at all, except the irony of it to me.
		With my, no doubt, as some of you would describe, limited understanding of Christianity.
		How it would fit together with white supremacist beliefs, I just don't compute that.
		I don't think many Christians would.
		It's an amazing thing that they can mix the two.
		And apparently believe that God looks on white people in some favorable superior way.
		How do you come to believe these things?
		I wonder.
		I mean, no matter what you might cite in the way of a study about this or that or the bell curve or anything else, you would have to look at then the apparent superiority of Asians over whites intellectually.
		How would you account for that?
		I mean, the whole thing is just ridiculous.
		So much time in America now appears to be wasted hating.
unidentified		Hating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for anybody to imagine that they would achieve anything like in the facts, quote, keeping the niggers in their place, end quote, that's insane.
		The only thing you do when you burn somebody's place of worship is get them going and make them very, very, very, very angry.
		It's the equivalent of stomping on the flag or something to a patriot.
		You don't do that.
		It's a war cry.
		You'll end up with a race war.
		Maybe that's what this is all about.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		It's off.
		Okay, well, I'm calling from Seattle, and I've got a couple of questions.
		One, I wanted to ask about Bill and his demon seeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not here yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only seeds I received are 500-pound pumpkin seeds.
unidentified		500-pound pumpkin seeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, he claims it.
unidentified		Also, your guest you had last week talking about the churches and taxing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I'm trying to figure this one out.
unidentified		He was talking about he thinks he has a sound constitutional ground for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		How?
unidentified		How does he figure that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you listen to the show?
unidentified		I listened to part of it, and I, quite honestly, the guy made me so mad I see.
unidentified		Because he's constitutionally speaking of taxing the church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did you listen to the show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you would have understood his argument.
unidentified		I can't see it, though, in that taxation of a church would be the state getting involved in a church problem or, well, not problem, but the church's business.
		And in the Constitution, our founding forefathers made mention of the fact that separation of church and state was the church will not run the state, and the state will not run the church.
		You tax the church, that's the state running the church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's your argument.
		That's fine.
unidentified		I mean, for every single argument he brought up of a church being a scam, a scam, I can run out right now and probably find you.
		I'm in Seattle.
		My name's Paul.
		I can find you 50 churches that aren't a scam, that are doing good for me and the community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't argue with you, Paul.
unidentified		So, you know, if our country's coming down to that, I want to move.
		And maybe I agree with the Freeman.
		Or maybe not the Freeman, but that type of a group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Paul.
		Well, thank you very much.
		We appreciate your call and your opinion.
		I would be careful about mixing your opposition to the taxation of churches with agreement with the Freeman, but I understand the way you feel.
		And frankly, I didn't say that I agreed with him that it is a good idea.
		As a matter of fact, frankly, I thought he carried a grudge, and I still believe that, incidentally, even now, having interviewed him and spent a lot of time with him, I felt what came out was a very deep-seated resentment, anger, and ongoing grudge.
		But that is what you would have discerned, Paul, had you listened to the entire program.
unidentified		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Somewhere in Time I want to talk to you for a second about cyber snobbery.
		That's what I call it.
		There is now this great undercurrent of hatred that's going on between people who use Prodigy, AOL, CompuServe, people who are on the chat services, the different providers, the web people, and they're all in contention with each other, and everybody else's service is junk.
		And I wonder why that's going on.
		I wonder why the people who are more deeply involved in the Internet, for example, turn up their noses at people like AOL.
		And AOL is bringing a lot of people into cyberspace who otherwise would not come.
		It's kind of like with amateur radio.
		We get people involved in ham radio by getting one of the early licenses, a no-code license or a novice license or something that is relatively easy to get in the beginning and easy to use and doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist to participate.
		And so it brings people into the hobby, just the way AOL and some of the other services bring people into cyberspace, and then they move on from there.
		But why is there this great rivalry, and a very nasty one at that, in the cyber world right now?
		I call it cyber snobbery.
		And there's hatred that spews from these people.
		Whatever it is they're on is the right thing, and everything else is wrong and, or if not, evil.
		It's an interesting phenomenon.
		Cyber snobbery, I'm going to call it.
		West of the Rockeries?
		Rockeries.
		Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art, it's Aaron from Elk Grove, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I got to tell you that, boy, is it ever much more pleasurable to listen to the show than to try to get through and talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your trying to get through.
unidentified		And it's become a horrible obsession for me, and I have to find out what's going on with Hailbop.
unidentified		For some reason, I haven't heard anywhere except for on your show about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's still coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It will put on the show of a lifetime in less now than a year.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yeah.
		Around March.
		I think around March of next year.
unidentified		And this will be something that we'll just be able to with the naked eye or right on.
		Let's see it.
		Let's go.
		Yeah, I'm just curious because like NASA or, you know, you don't hear anything.
		Nobody has covered Hailbop but you, and I'm part of Chibacabra and wanting to hear about Hailbop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you want to know about Hailbop?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, it's going to smack right into Earth, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		I think it's heading for Central California.
		Or is that Southern California?
		What part of California are we in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, sir.
		Well, I don't know what to tell you about Hailbop.
		It's coming.
		It will be a major comment.
		Somebody sent me a facts earlier.
		Said, hey, have you heard?
		Hayakotake has turned around and it's headed for Earth.
		People send me the damnedest things.
		Comment turned around.
		Comments don't turn around.
		They don't cut U-turns in space.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off.
unidentified		That's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Columbus, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Enjoy the show.
		I can't believe I got through.
		My army's sore, but I'll get over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad.
unidentified		Well, this church burning thing.
		Yes.
		You know what I think about the...
		The two are contradictory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if not even hate, yes, born of feelings of superiority.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we are white, we are right, we are closer to God than anybody else, and we are Christian.
unidentified		And I think it's based on a weakness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, fear.
unidentified		Cowards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Key word is fear, I think.
unidentified		Yeah, the Ku Klux Klan, the Skidheads, the white Aryan, they're all cowards.
unidentified		That's what I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think it's on the increase?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that's the important question.
unidentified		Boy, you know, that's a...
unidentified		For the same reason that I agree with you that I'm also nervous that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I've got a break.
		I've got to do the news.
		Do you want to hold on?
unidentified		I'd love to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Ohio, you are holding and will be back?
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell.
		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Live unscreened, unpredictable talk radio in the nighttime, right here.
		We'll talk about anything you want to talk about.
		I've got a caller holding on line one, so let me take care of business here.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		You're back.
		Back on the air again.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		We were talking about all the hate nonsense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, it's, you know, you see it at the grocery store.
		You see it when you're driving.
		You see it, not everybody, not everywhere, but too much.
		I just, I think hate is a learned behavior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have to absolutely agree with you.
		I guess it's learned.
		And I just, what I really want to know is what has changed?
		Why is it increasing?
unidentified		We really need to find out about that.
		That's a really good question.
		I really loved your first hour guest.
		I'd like to be on one of those number eight earthquakes with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number eight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean you'd go stand there, too?
unidentified		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're as crazy as he is.
unidentified		Well, I also, I'm like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love violent weather.
unidentified		I was in a tornado in Indiana about 15 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the thing about tornadoes is you can run away from tornadoes.
unidentified		Yes, that's true.
		But you can't.
		That's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'll tell you, when you're standing at ground zero with regard to an earthquake, you wouldn't want to stand there.
unidentified		I've never been in one.
unidentified		Charles was laying in bed when that one hit St. Louis in 88, but it just kind of shook things a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charles is a very unusual person.
unidentified		Oh, he was hysterical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Well, it's nothing like someone devoted to what they do.
		Now, let me prove my point, all right?
		I just talked about cyber snobbery.
		So what did I get?
		I got a list from my friends on the IRC chat channel, of which I cannot read all of them, but listen to this.
		Art, here is a top 20 list for the uses of AOL, that's America Online, AOL CDs from the listeners on IRC.
		20.
		Futuristic money.
		Paving stones for Tim Leary's driveway.
		Targets for your SKS rifle.
		Sharpen the edges and make nice ninja throwing weapons.
		Boogie boards for chipmunks.
		Pizza slicer.
		You can never find one when you need one.
		They would slice pizzas, I suppose.
		Water skipper toys for the kids.
		Needle hood ornaments.
		Landing pads for those miniature UFOs, and on it goes.
		Hey, look, more Roswell parts.
		Bicycle reflectors.
		Inexpensive earrings for your wife's birthday.
		This is the kind of thing that I was talking about.
		The exact thing that I was talking about.
		Now, why is there so much cyber snobbery and rivalry?
		And I don't understand that.
		All of it is fun.
		I very much enjoy AOL.
		I always have.
		It is convenient.
		It is easy.
		It gets people into cyberspace who otherwise wouldn't know what the hell they're doing, who eventually then will move on to other providers or stay with AOL or whatever they're going to do.
		But AOL is just part of it, and it's a good part of it, and without it, there wouldn't be nearly so many people involved.
		So I don't get why this is all going on.
		And you know where I am right now?
		I am in the Grassy Knoll Chat Room on AOL.
		If you would like to join me there, you are welcome to do so.
		Just go on AOL and go to Keyword and hit Keyword Art Bell.
		A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
		It'll take you to the Grassy Knoll Chat Room.
		That's where I am.
		You'll see me in there.
		So come on in.
		Maybe somebody there can tell me why my new 3.0 won't print my email.
		That's what I really want to know.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Marty from Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Marty.
unidentified		KENI Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm just calling to say we're getting rain here in Anchorage, so that's good for the firefighters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sure is good.
unidentified		We did not feel the earthquake in Anchorage, but I understand that they felt it quite a ways up the chain.
		I have to agree with your guest earlier in the show today.
		I've been through several earthquakes ranging from closer than I care to admit to an epicenter when I was in Japan 6.8 ten years ago.
		Fascinating to feel the earth move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, but I don't think that I'd race to the center of one.
unidentified		I was far enough away that it gave me a pretty good jolt and woke me up.
		It did some damage in the northern part of Japan in that one that I was closest to.
		And yeah, I don't think I'd want to be much closer than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		All right, sir.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		If you're crazy about something, though, I do understand that.
		If you're crazy about something, you want to be there.
		No matter what the repercussions would be, you'd want to be there.
		And I suppose that would apply to an earthquake if you are fascinated by them.
		It's like chasing tornadoes.
		Dear Art, I don't know any white supremacist, thank God.
		But there is a question I have always wondered about.
		How do these superficial people who place so much emphasis on the color of one's skin deal with serial killers who also have white skin?
		White skin didn't make Ted Bundy, the hillside strangler whose name I can't recall at the moment, Robert Alton Harris, superior.
		I can't think of anything more stupid than to have to feel superior in order to feel like somebody.
		I think all these supremacists should get a life.
		That's Veda in Whittier, California.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Carol on Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Carol?
unidentified		Fine.
unidentified		Am I on the radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure hope so.
unidentified		I'm still okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, you should turn it off or you'll be all confused.
unidentified		Yeah, I can't hear it.
		I did turn it.
		I got in.
		Okay.
		I have a request for a guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would that be?
unidentified		Somebody who could try to explain quantum physics from the basics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds like you need a college course, not a guest.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I have some books, but okay, the other thing is on the I went through this real weird thing of, okay, I got some organophosphate poisoning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got what?
unidentified		Organophosphate poisoning.
		What the hell is that?
		So I wanted to know.
		It's like an insecticide or it was an insecticide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eating insecticide?
unidentified		No, we bought this old house and I was in the back shed and cleaning it up.
unidentified		Long story short, it fell over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Anyway, I had this broom and I looked up and everything was just all foggy.
		I don't remember even getting back to the house.
		Wow.
		But when you talk about, I keep hearing you talk about the quickening, the quickening.
		And I never quite got it.
		But I went through, I had a near death.
		I never believed in that, but it was, anyway, I went through what I call a lot of hallucinations.
		And when I came out of it, the main thing, the main message I got was that the world whatever is going, is moving faster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world whatever is moving faster.
unidentified		The universe.
unidentified		Like you say, the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got that from toxic poisoning?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were toxically poisoned, and then you got a message from beyond.
		And the world, whatever, is moving faster.
		That's what I got from that.
		Interesting.
		Pesticide prophecy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, I'm nonpartisan in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Pretty good.
		Someone said it.
		I don't know who, but it was something to the effect of why do I need to hate groups of people when there are so many good reasons to hate people individually?
		And these bigots, I hate them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like there's more and more of them.
unidentified		I don't know if there's more and more, but they're just getting more obvious.
unidentified		Coming out in the open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that is?
unidentified		The quickening, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very general, non-specific term for a lot of things that are going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is insufficient to explain why people are hating more.
unidentified		Well, I don't think they're hating more.
unidentified		I think they're just showing it more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's true.
		All right, thank you.
		For the people on AOL who are trying to help me out with my print problem, I mean, figure this one, guys.
		I can print the news, Reuters, that prints fine, but my email doesn't.
		Now, I can't, for the life of me, imagine what would cause that discrepancy unless it was just some little thing on AOL.
		They were talking about printer drivers and everything.
		It wouldn't be that.
		Not if it prints the news.
		If it prints the news, it ought to print whatever text is up there, so how could it be email-specific?
		That's really weird.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah, I had you on my mind today when I said into the president's ear, what do you know about UFOs?
		And he was in San Diego today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody asked the president that?
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually got close enough to ask him that?
unidentified		Yeah, very close quarters in Hillcrest, which is known to be the gay area of San Diego.
unidentified		Early morning, just a very close crowd there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what did the president say to you?
unidentified		He said, he smiled, he said, turned to his secret service, said, UFOs, and that's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the Secret Service guy probably made a note, and another guy at a distance focused his telescopic lens and took your photograph.
unidentified		And I made sure talking to a little old lady in the crowd that I mentioned your name out loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
		And so then they probably said, Art Bell again, huh?
		There's another check mark.
unidentified		Yeah, and to the local TV station, KNSD, Art Bell, that's the reason why I asked it.
		But that's all he said.
		And I think he was relieved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they already know about me, but see, the problem for you is, now they know about you.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay, but that's all I was thinking of you when I asked you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This means a, it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It means for you, sir, a visitation.
unidentified		Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		They've long known about me.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Oh, no, I didn't push the button.
		There you go.
		East of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Now, let me turn this off.
unidentified		Fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it off?
unidentified		Yeah, it's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		Okay.
		I wanted to ask you a question.
		I'm not exactly too politically read, and maybe you can answer it for me, okay?
		Steven, do you think that the people who found the Whitewater papers, which mysteriously popped up, and the people who mysteriously found these Travelgate papers, which mysteriously popped up, do you think those two incidences outside of them mysteriously popping up are related?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about the papers that were mysteriously found in the White House?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I think they're related to what?
unidentified		The FBI saying, hey, we made a mistake.
unidentified		And this soldier requested mysteriously popped up, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but no, these two things I do not believe are related.
unidentified		See, it sounds like to me that all of a sudden a lot of paperwork is suddenly popping up, and that's too coincidental for me.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this report, this security business, this either enemies list or innocent mistake, whatever you want to call it, was done very early on in the administration, and it has just been found out about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has no relationship to the Whitewater Papers.
unidentified		Makes you want to think what else is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, I think they ought to check the fingerprints.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The FBI ought to dust them quick.
unidentified		Before more fingerprints would certainly be on there, suddenly pop on there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
unidentified		I agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they said...
		They said they sent the papers back to the FBI, right?
		So, presumably, these papers are in FBI hands right now.
		And absolutely, they ought to go over them and look and see whose fingerprints they find.
		If all they find is a low-level military guy, then fine.
		If they find other fingerprints, then, well, it could be a bit of a problem.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yes.
unidentified		Calling From Calabasas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Hi there.
		I just got in.
		I didn't hear the first part of your show, but to change the subject for a second.
		What did you think about the Belmont Stakes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought that I had a caller who called it.
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you put any money on editors?
unidentified		No, but I was trying to get through to Art Bell's OTD that same night that he was on.
		And I let him know that I'd heard him say that I was in horse racing for a few years.
		And so that caught my ear.
		I think that was pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, indeed.
unidentified		Also, about that Dr. Pepsi?
		Almost Dr. Pepsi?
		Yes, please.
		I was just wondering why you put that lady, Nancy, on.
		She was so antagonistic.
		Why you would have brought, actually called her to let her grind her axe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because she sent a fax, and she was grinding an axe, and I wanted to hear what happened, would happen when she ground her axe on Ms. Pepsi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I heard.
unidentified		She found some chinks in her armor, I'm afraid.
		But that was an interesting show I liked, Dr. Pepsi or Ms. Pepsi.
		It was very interesting.
		She was right a lot of the time, whether it's a science or not.
		I know.
		And that's as much of a science as, and I don't really know that much about it, but SciTech, I find just the name of his company far more misleading than Pepsi Togar.
		And when he speaks of remote viewing, because he speaks about remote viewing as technology.
		And when I first heard that 19 Minutes the first night, I understood that I was listening to some of when he said technology, I thought like I had never heard of remote viewing, and I thought he meant satellites and actual technology when it wasn't technology at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the government had a 20-year program.
unidentified		But was it actual technology and science, or was it like Ms. Polgar's theory?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they view it as...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they claim a great degree of accuracy, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		But they also claim technology.
unidentified		Is there actual technology involved?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, not machine technology, if that's what you mean.
unidentified		But I mean, I understand that these people are trained psychically or telepathically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But that can't really be a science either.
		That's never exactly.
		I mean, to some, they might have some degree of accuracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, they have a great degree of accuracy.
unidentified		And so I don't understand why they pick on Tutsi Tolgar when that went completely unnoticed, where his is a much more, you know, the consequences to his prophecy or prediction, even though, I mean, I believe that the environment is in grave danger and everything, but just the way he said, no, there's no chance.
		It was like, you know what I think?
		I think he bought a bunch of property in New Zealand, and when everybody makes their exodus, he's going to sell it all to them at high prices, and he's going to buy up all the property in Beverly Hills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you're right.
unidentified		I hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
		All right, thank you.
		Look, I can't substantiate the claims that are made, but the government apparently felt that there was sufficient reason to believe there was something to it to continue a program for 20 years.
		And he was in that military program.
		So, you know, I mean, take these things always with a grain of salt.
		Take them with a grain of salt, and they are presented that way.
		Controversial and unusual things are presented for you on this program, and you can accept them, reject them, embrace them, file them away, and do whatever you want with them.
		And so it is with major dames.
		I, however, personally attach some credibility, credence, belief, some, I said, in what he had to say and what he has to say.
		And I think that you should listen and decide for yourself.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		You know, I never realized before that you were automatically disconnected after so many rings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's phone company.
unidentified		But anyway, my name is Lewis.
		I'm from San Diego.
		I've been listening for a while, but this is the first time I've called.
		I'm a graduate student at San Diego State.
		And I just wanted to put this out there, maybe get a little feedback from your listeners, and see if anybody has seen anything strange in the area around Gordon's Well.
		Are you familiar with that area?
		It's along Highway 8.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, what did you see, sir?
unidentified		Well, I didn't see this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who did?
unidentified		But a person that is, in my opinion, unquestionably honest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saw what?
unidentified		Saw a triangular yellow shape glowing and hovering over the sand dunes out there at Gordon's Well.
unidentified		And made absolutely no noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know about triangular things that make no noise, but the one I saw was black, not yellow.
		Yellow would be an interesting color, wouldn't it?
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10, 1996.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Good to be here.
		If you'd like to join us online, you're welcome to do so.
		We're in a chat room on AOL.
		Just go on AOL and hit keyword and type Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, and then go into the grassy little chat room.
		There I am.
		So join us, if you will.
		There is an ongoing discussion of many things in there right now.
		And east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone like the wind.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Well, I think people all in America should sit back and see, I just got my citizenship about three or four years ago for the United States, American citizen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And people should sit back and read our Constitution, especially a lot of Americans, because they don't, I know a lot of Americans don't know the Constitution that well, but what makes us one great nation is all the people in this country, blacks, whites, Chinese, Russians, Italians.
unidentified		And that's what makes us one great nation, you know, one diverse nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, what I think is some people want a race war, is what I'm beginning to conclude.
unidentified		Yeah, and that's really scary.
		I've heard people talking about that a while back, about two or three years ago, and I kind of thought it was, you know, far-fetched.
		But now it looks like, to me, it's believable.
		And the Freeman deal, I think the Freemen better just pretty much give up because that's a very dangerous situation.
		And you know why I think our government is having so many problems?
		It's because our government is like turkeys.
		You know, our government's represented by the American eagle.
		And you ever looked at an eagle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Occasionally.
unidentified		They look real mean and they're powerful.
		And I think our government's shown a weakness now.
		And it could be dangerous if we wait too long.
		I think we've waited a little too long now.
		I mean, it's good to be patient and everything.
		And I'm sure they've been cautious.
		But we don't want to have our government look like turkeys.
		And that's eventually what our bird's going to be.
		You know, it's going to be changed back to the original bird, which was the turkeys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sure.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		Well, a lot of people are beginning to feel that way.
		I don't know.
		It's a hard call.
		On the one hand, you don't want to do anything rash, and you don't want to precipitate something that will result in the use of deadly force when the crime doesn't justify that.
		But on the other, there has to be the rule of law, and there cannot be the rule of if I don't pay my mortgage, if I don't, if I write hot checks, if I do this or do that, I can get away with it because I can claim I'm a patriot and have a gun.
		And so there will be fear on the part of the government.
		And I feel that these men in Montana are hiding behind the patriot movement.
		Not very effectively, and the longer it goes on, the less effective their claims are in this regard.
		Now, maybe that's why the FBI is letting it go on, but there is a danger, and that is that people elsewhere will copycat it.
		They will conclude it is the way to keep the government away.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave in Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Dave?
unidentified		Pretty well.
unidentified		I enjoy your program a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I'm calling concerning the Kingdom Identity Movement.
unidentified		I have some...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I was just wondering if I could debate a caller or if I could answer some of those questions.
unidentified		I don't really have a statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what I don't even understand what your position is yet.
unidentified		I'm just having interest in it, and I've studied it quite a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a white supremacist?
unidentified		No, I'm not.
		I'm a Christian, but I think the Kingdom Identity movement is just a doctrine.
		It's a way of interpreting the Bible, and it's kind of a subcurrent throughout Christianity and certain sects, like in certain Protestant and Catholic sects of Christianity throughout since the time of Christ really.
		It's been a movement, but it's not a new thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, it's a growing thing, apparently.
		It's a growing thing, and I believe these church fires are, you know, there was one pastor yesterday during a news conference who suggested this is a tinderbox.
		It's beginning to get to be a tinderbox, and it is.
		It surely is.
		If this is a general movement in this country, we've really lost it.
		We have really lost it.
		I'm not sure what's happened to America, but whatever it is, it absolutely is not good, is it?
unidentified		Shhhhhh!
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10, 1996.
		Coast AM from June 10, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		Good.
		You know, the Christian identity people, twice, I've noticed when they called, they always say there will be a race war, but then you never go into it.
		I would like to know exactly what they're talking about.
		I think the church burnings are, you know, these kind of things can cause the race war.
		And I want to know what they mean when they say they actually know there will be a race war.
		I think a debate between them would be very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's going to be one?
unidentified		A race war?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, if they say so, and churches are being burned, and the blacks, you know, know who wants the church burned, no matter what race you are, you know, there could be a connection.
unidentified		They seem to think there's going to be one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		How do they know?
		Why do they know?
		What's going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
		Well, if we get somebody inclined toward admitting they are a white supremacist and want such a war and are promoting the idea of such a war, maybe we will have such a debate.
		But I just, I still, I'm not over at all these Christians who think that the white race is superior.
		How they come up with that, how they can mesh some twisted concept of Christianity into that belief system is amazing to me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I work at a station, and I'm a board op for your show sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And I just wanted to add something in on this thing about the racists.
		Sure.
		Okay.
		I had friends at one time that were racist and now find themselves in jail for murder.
		Now, I don't really have that close a connection with them, but I do know what they had said, like, actually why they didn't like other races.
		They thought they were pure and everything, you know, being white.
		We never really got onto a subject of being a Christian or other, but I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is purity, or how is purity determined by skin color?
unidentified		I don't understand their thinking, you know.
		Actually, they're kind of infantile in their thinking.
		The people that I knew at least.
		Now, these other racists that stand up and they're all truly smart, you know, but they really don't know what they're talking about because being sure has nothing to do with color.
		You know, Christians, if you're a true Christian, you do not believe in separation or different colors, you know, one another hating each other, you know, stuff like that.
		Because the Christian faith is about love, you know, for one another, and it goes directly through the race line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I always thought.
		Thank you.
		So then, how do you account for this strange combining of ideologies?
		Racism, superiority, Christianity.
		I mean, how do you get all that together?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, listen to KSDI St. Bullet's name is Andrew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Andrew.
unidentified		And I wanted to bring up the subject of the same-sex marriage.
unidentified		I've been sort of dear to some of the radical members of the gay community, especially some belongs to or believe in the group called NAMBLA, the North American Man, Boy Love Association.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know of it, yes.
unidentified		And they are looking forward to having to adopt young boys.
unidentified		And that upset me very much when they were discussing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I imagine it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's also upsetting.
unidentified		And even some of the ones, you know, they say they wanted to bring their children up gay.
		What's wrong with that?
		They said that they felt there would be a more peaceful world if we had more gay people around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		How do you even equate the adult gay movement with NAMBLA?
		they think they're not the same thing at all and most gay people as far as i know are not uh...
unidentified		molesters of What I was saying, though, is that if you allow one to do it, then the other one will do it.
		That's what they were discussing, that it'd be a neat thing to do.
		Like I said, some of the radical elements, but you allow one person to do it, then the other one could do it too.
		And that's what I'm afraid of happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I don't think anybody ought to be able to do it.
		That's ridiculous.
		Anybody whose sexual proclivities are toward children should certainly not be allowed to adopt children.
		And I don't believe this society will allow it, not for a second.
		So it's a conversation hardly worth having.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		David, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I'm just calling.
unidentified		Let me get the radio here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you've got to do.
unidentified		Okay, you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've been here the whole time.
unidentified		I just wanted to say that I think this is just this burning of churches and all that is just a symptom of the breakdown of our society.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, we're coming down the old home trail.
unidentified		I think we're definitely going to end up with the revolution here, and we're going to end up with the race war and everything else going on at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't think of anything that'll more quickly promote it, burn down people's churches, and they get really upset.
unidentified		Yeah, I think when government's basically rotted from the top to the bottom, Bill Clinton, Bob Does, Gingrich, all of them are a mess.
unidentified		What else are we going to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a very good question, and I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess the only way we prevent something from occurring that is catastrophic is to take individual action and hope there are enough of us left to do that.
unidentified		Nobody seems to want to do anything right now.
		Everybody just sits around watching television.
		They don't even want to take care of their own children anymore.
		I mean, right now, we're looking at our society disintegrate before our eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can only imagine if I were a church-going person, and I had a church down the street that I went to once or twice a week, whatever, and somebody burned it down with hate for me or my race or my religion as a motive, I would be fighting mad.
		I would be fighting mad.
		I would be ready to pick up a gun and go after whoever it was.
unidentified		Well, that's all we need there.
unidentified		It's a bunch of people picking up guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		So far, as nearly as I can tell, the black religious community that has suffered at the hands of this sort of thing has been very restrained in their response.
		And I wouldn't be so restrained.
		What greater insult can there be than burning somebody's church?
		No, you can't burn their religion.
		But still, the insult of going after their church.
		I mean, if somebody burned my church, if I was a regular churchgoer and I'm not, I would be livid.
		I would be angry enough to start a race war.
		So I think the restraint thus far has been admirable, and I think they better go after this harder and find out what's going on here.
		And if it is a general thing that has begun to occur in this country, they'd better get a handle on it.
		Or else, east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Ah, I knew the 13th time would be a charm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Kevin from Kansas City.
		Good, Kevin.
		About the Freeman thing, where you said that if an average citizen was to try that, they'd run right on in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you wrote a hot check and they came to get you and you held them off with a gun, you told me what would happen.
unidentified		Well, they would wait for about six hours and then hope that you gave up.
unidentified		And I know that for a fact because here in Kansas City, around 8 o'clock last night, somebody went off and held the police at bay for six hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six hours, huh?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not like 70-something days.
		And what they're allowed to do, if you did that, is they'd called in the SWAT team.
		And, yeah, maybe you'd get six hours out of a standoff, but not much more.
unidentified		Well, this is about the second time that they've had something like this.
		And people in the situation basically, I guess, think, well, hey, if the Freeman can do it, so can I. Got another question for you.
		Sure.
		Your opening theme.
		I've been trying to find it, but I can't seem to.
		What group is it done by?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just go out and get the soundtrack to the movie Midnight Express.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll do it.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Also, possible two guests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Would it be possible if you was to get a hold of Fox Television and have Paul McGann and his manager, Janet Fielding, I believe is how you pronounce it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who these people are.
unidentified		Well, he was in Aliens 3.
		He is also the current Doctor Who character.
		All right, well, consider it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laprina is liquid aspirin, and you should consider it.
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		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'd like to comment on several things.
unidentified		I'm Rafael from Beckishville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		About Douglas Wallace?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		One thing.
		For instance, they say that they're going to tax the churches, right?
		Now, the churches being taxed have the right to deduct everything they do for charity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So all the work they're doing in charity is going to be not taxable.
unidentified		So the church will be more inclined in the work for charity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess it would depend, though, sir, on to what degree they would be able to make those kinds of deductions.
		You, for example, in your tax return, can only deduct so much even for charitable work.
		Right.
unidentified		But at least they'll be able to do that, to deduct a thing from charity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt they're going to get around to taxing churches at all, frankly, despite what you may have heard.
		Although, I think there is some constitutional basis for that argument.
		I don't want it to happen, but I consider it certainly possible.
		What a mess that would be.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues, with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Oh, my God.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, maybe we'll try something here in a minute.
		Hi there, West of the Rockies.
		Were you holding?
unidentified		I am.
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, about that guy that wants to be in an earthquake?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was in an 8.6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		8.6?
unidentified		The largest ever recorded in the history of man.
		Concepcion, Chile, 1962.
		And it's not fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not fun.
unidentified		It's not fun.
		My city, Concepcion, has been rebuilt five times because we have so many earthquakes there.
		If he wants to experience one, go there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go to Chile, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, thank you.
		No, I would not want to be in a big earthquake.
		As I said, tornadoes you can run away from.
		About the only way to escape an earthquake, I suppose, is to go to the air.
		If the so-called Christian white supremacists really believe that they are superior, then they should also believe that it is their duty to take care of what they call the inferior races.
		If they believe they are closer to God, then they should be willing and even enthusiastic about providing welfare, shelter, education, etc., to those other races as part of their Christian duty.
		They should take black, yellow, and Jewish people under their wings and be their big brother.
		Since they do not, their very action goes against the white supremacist concept and, if anything, may show they are too inferior to rule over any race of people.
		Dennis in Kansas City I may open a line for anybody who considers themselves to be a white supremacist.
		I wonder, I really wonder if they are out there, and apparently they are in big numbers, or maybe this is another one of those things blown up in the press and is not as real as we imagine it to be.
		Which do you think is true?
		I'm not exactly sure right now.
		For a long time, for several years, it was my belief that these people were very, very few in number and that the press just blew it up.
		I don't know that I'm as sure anymore.
		And it's very worrisome.
		So let me try that.
		Anybody want to admit to being a white supremacist?
		Perhaps even a Christian white supremacist?
		Maybe you can explain how all of that works together.
		So if that's you, if you will come on here and say, yes, I'm a white supremacist, yes, the white race is better than other races, call me at area code 702-727-1222.
		And everybody else, don't call.
		702-727-1222.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		For one thing, Christian white supremacist is a contradiction in terms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way I feel about it.
unidentified		And I think the word Christian has, you know, through semantical changes, has lost its true meaning.
		People are grabbing onto this word and saying, yeah, we have the right way.
		And they're giving dogma and they're laying guilt, but they're doing it mostly to themselves.
		They're laying a mindset that they're fighting for.
		They have forgotten that they're spiritual entities, as we all are, and they have blocked themselves in, and they're fighting for this.
		And they have lost the point of what we are basic, basically as beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd say that's probably fair, yes.
unidentified		And the golden rule has more meaning than most people know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it probably has absolute meaning, sure.
		Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, that sort of thing, sure.
		All right, that's what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to restrict that line.
		So if you are a white supremacist, call me.
		Let's see if we actually get some.
		I'm actually not sure what it is.
		Is it something blown up in the press way beyond all reasonable bounds, and there are very few of them out there?
		Or, as it would seem to be, is it growing?
		Is it getting worse?
		Is this movement getting stronger?
		Are they the ones burning down churches?
		And if so, I'm interested to know what they expect to gain from it.
		Or is it the kind of thing like between Israel and some of the Arab countries that the extremists are just itching for a fight?
		They don't want peace.
		They don't want an integrated America.
		They want a war.
		Well, they're probably off on the right track.
		If it's a war they want, I suspect eventually, if this were to continue unchecked, a war they would get.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On my white supremacist line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, my name is Steve, and I'm calling from the West.
unidentified		And what is it you would like to ask me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I guess a number of things, Steve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you honestly believe the white race is superior?
unidentified		I do in many categories.
		However, I will say there are a couple that I would find arguable.
		But for the most part, I believe that the white race is superior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		In what way we're superior?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Intellectually, academically, innovatively, politically, spiritually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in almost every way.
unidentified		Almost, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would cite, no doubt, examples of intelligence tests that would seem to show whites scoring higher than blacks?
		Yes.
		Then how do you respond to the fact that those same tests, when given to Asians, score higher than whites?
		I don't believe that those tests are exactly So you believe them when they show whites outscoring blacks, but not when they show Asians outscoring whites?
		Interesting.
unidentified		Well, I don't know what your data is on.
unidentified		I think mathematically the Asians are trained harder and they're more disciplined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are general intelligence tests, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, well, what I'm saying is I'm talking about the presidential terms.
unidentified		Oriental does not score Higher on the English part of the SAT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the English part?
		Well, I doubt that we score higher on the Japanese part of the SAT.
		Yeah, I just, I can't study Japanese.
		Then, too, well, nor do the Japanese study English.
		You miss my point entirely.
		My point is, in general intelligence tests, the Orientals as a group score higher than whites.
unidentified		Well, that's probably correct.
unidentified		I would cite the reason for that is they're more disciplined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're more disciplined.
unidentified		Than the average white.
unidentified		Yeah, they study harder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They study longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that make them superior?
unidentified		Not necessarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how can you claim superiority on the same basis over blacks or Chicanos or whatever?
unidentified		Because the blacks are in our culture, they have the same opportunities as the whites.
		However, they dramatically across the board score lower in college-level courses, pre-graduate-level courses.
		They've been through the educational system that's supposed to be fair and equitable.
		However, when they take the GRE or the GMAT or the LSAT or any of those other tests, on the average, they score dramatically less than the average white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand that people with beliefs like yours are burning black churches?
unidentified		I don't condone the violence, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		I don't.
unidentified		I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not a violent person?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think it's going to lead to if this continues?
unidentified		The church burning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, I don't think we've proven who's doing it, actually.
		We blame the white person for all the children that were killed in Atlanta when they come to find out it was a black male that was doing it.
		But I think we need to wait and see what the evidence shows.
		I don't think it's been proven yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of those that have been arrested thus far, they're white.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		And I think you'll find criminal element in just about any culture or philosophy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no doubt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't honestly embrace the concept that blacks are just burning up their own churches, do you?
unidentified		No, I don't.
unidentified		And I don't think that every anti-abortionist is a doctor killer either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that most of the, or even a majority, a bare majority of the church burnings are done by blacks?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I don't.
		Done by blacks, you mean?
		I don't know what percentage I would put on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		You were not exactly what I was looking for, but you're close.
		It's very interesting that somebody would embrace the concept that they are superior and cite tests, intelligence tests that have been given and then reject as bad testing when confronted with the fact that Asians are outscoring whites.
		Or simply attribute it to, what did he say, discipline?
		Discipline?
		Well, is discipline then a measure of might?
		As in white is right or Asian is right?
		Are we talking about discipline then as a measure of superiority?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Did you know that Editor's Note had not won a race in nine races?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did know that, yes.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, that was very interesting when I saw that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I hope that man will contact me.
		We'll get him on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to hear more on that subject.
unidentified		When do you think you'll have that lady back on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What lady?
unidentified		Dr. Pepsi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, no doubt, eventually.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Stephen Boise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Steve.
unidentified		How are you?
		Okay.
		Good.
		I was just calling to comment on the race issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The problem that I have with it, the doctor that you had on a couple, three weeks ago said that his God is nature, and that he basically he was saying that the things that he finds in nature support his beliefs.
		And yet I have never seen a cow not want to mate with another cow because it was a different color.
		Or, you know, a dog that's a collie, for example, not want to mate with a dog that's a German shepherd because it's a different race.
		And so his very beliefs or his God, quote unquote, defy his very beliefs.
		And then the callers that you've had in tonight, sorry, I've got a cold coming on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry to hear that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		The callers that you've had in tonight that claim that they are Christian and at the same time supremist, everything in the Bible basically defies that, as you have pointed out.
		God is no respecter of persons.
		Jesus himself said, to go ye into all the world.
		And so there's just nothing that I can see that would support their beliefs at all.
		And, you know, how they can claim to be supremist on one hand and yet Christian on the other is just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't compute it.
unidentified		Neither do I. That's all I wanted to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Scott from Modesto, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Scott.
unidentified		I'm listening on KMJ580 Fresno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a comment on the gentleman who was talking about earthquakes here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I hear a lot of people are commenting on it, but I wanted to share something of my own.
unidentified		I lived out in Oklahoma for a while, and Tornado Country, right there on Tornado Lane, I suppose you would call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I had somewhat of a morbid curiosity about them.
unidentified		I mean, I was always excited as a youth whenever there's a major storm coming by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It would keep Me awake mostly out of excitement.
		But I also happened to be living in Kalinga, California when the 6.7 hit, about 82.
		Yes.
		And that was centered directly underneath Kalinga, downtown Kalinga.
		And it was not something comparable in any sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, well, you're helpless.
		If you're on the ground in an earthquake, there is no escape.
		You can't run away from it.
		Tornadoes, you can run away from.
unidentified		Yeah, it hit just after track practice, and everyone that was around me fell instantly to the ground.
unidentified		I mean, it's so strong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It's a scary.
		It was exciting at the time, but the moment you see the destruction through town, it was the scariest and most sobering experience.
		I mean, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We think we build very sound structures.
		The Japanese, as a matter of fact, thought they built very sound structures.
		And they found out their so-called earthquake-resistant structures were not.
		And they went down like a house of cards.
		It depends on the kind of quake you get and the kind of shake it produces.
		But generally, we are pathetic indeed when matched up against the best of Mother Nature.
		And a 7 to 8 to 9 point earthquake, you know, not much stands at the end of that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mike from Michigan.
		Hello.
		I just heard this on the radio that Jack Kvorkian now has 29 notches in his exhaust pipe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another one, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, just in, is what I heard.
unidentified		They're not giving out any information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they'll put him on trial again.
unidentified		I don't.
unidentified		It's kind of a weird thing because my personal view, I'm kind of pro assisted suicide, but as far as having Jack Kevorkian spearheading the movement, I'm not for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I more or less agree with you.
		I think that a person has a right at the end to decide about their own life.
		It's not an easy choice.
		However, Jack Kevorkian is probably trying to prove a point with what he's doing and get a societal debate going.
unidentified		Well, there definitely is a debate going, but he needs to get more support through the medical establishment or people that are willing to come forward because he really is making it look bad.
		He's actually, I don't think he's helping.
		He is by, you know, he keeps doing it over and over, but, you know, he needs to get more people or at least more less circus-like individuals.
		You know, and he's always been, you know, they talk about, you know, you always hear them talking about dignity, him and his lawyer.
		They're always saying people should die with dignity, this, that, and the other.
		But dignity is not putting them in your VW micro bus and carting them up into the hospital parking lot and leaving your body there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But on the other hand, there are degrees of dignity.
		And I guess I don't want to go too far with this, but dying with a diaper on, not in control of any of your own bodily processes.
		That's not much dignity either.
		So my take on this is that it is your life.
		It is my life.
		And I can tell you this.
		No government would stand in my way if I decided that I was going to take my life, and I'm certainly not here telling you I am, but if I decided I was going to, no government has a right to step in my way.
		That's my take on it.
		So in some ways, Kvorkian is a hero.
		I certainly don't want what Kvorkian is doing to become the way it is done.
		There needs to be structure.
		There needs to be several doctors that concur.
		There needs to be eventually, and Kvorkian even agrees with this, there needs to be a lot of safeguards in place so that we don't begin to get murders, convenient dispositions of the older and no longer enjoyed, you know, that sort of thing.
		And that's the slippery slope that you've got to worry about.
		But as a general rule, I believe that it is our life, your life, my life, and I don't want anybody, not the government, not anybody else, telling me what to do with it.
		And when the pain and suffering has gone on and the hospital expense long enough.
		I've got more on this in a moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's continue with this for a moment, shall we?
		The Kvorkian business.
		I'm no great fan of Kvorkians.
		That's for sure.
		And I don't think his way is the way.
		I think what he's doing is trying to create a debate.
		He's certainly accomplished that.
		I do think that my life is my own.
		And toward the end, if I decided that I wasn't going to...
		Everybody's out there freaking out over Medicare right now.
		One-third of the total $200 billion yearly expenditure on Medicare is spent in the last 10 days of anybody's life, the last 10 days, keeping them awake, many times not even awake, not conscious, but alive, ticking, drawing, like the chupacabra draws blood from a goat, the money from the family and the heirs and the estate, and keeping them alive for what?
		Now, I think it should be a person's choice.
		You want to spend all your money to stay alive a few more days?
		That's fine.
		You go right ahead and do it.
		I might make a different choice, and I'm not even saying I would.
		But I would say don't try and stand in my way, or you might be tread upon as you try.
		And certainly the government shouldn't.
		If I decide that I'm going to end my life because I'm in horrible, mind-wracking pain, or even if I decide that my life has lost its usefulness and I wish to end it, I know you might say I'm wrong, but I don't care.
		It's my life.
		It's not yours.
		It's not President Clinton's.
		It's not the Wannabe President Dole's.
		It's my life.
		For whatever that's worth, and I will make that decision.
		Simple as that.
		There's a lot of libertarian in me.
		Conservative economically, to some degree politically, but more of a libertarian.
		There's a lot of libertarian in me, and this is one area where it really comes out.
		Nobody stands in my way.
		Now, if society wants to debate this and come up with a way for it to be done where there's safeguards in place, that's how it ought to be done.
		Not Kvorkian's way.
		But what he is doing is promoting a debate, and I guess it's time we had one.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		This is Edward in Salt Lake City.
		Hi.
		Boy, I tried to get through the night you had Dr. Pierce on.
		You didn't take any calls that night with him.
		And then again to talk to your skin head.
		I have to come at that not to avoid your last topic there, but you know, I have to come at the white supremacist stuff from another angle because I was raised in that crap for quite a while in my life.
		My grandfather never did believe there was a Holocaust.
		He was a German immigrant.
		My father eventually accepted it, but I had to learn that for myself in school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you embrace it, when you believe it, then you have to accept some genetic shame, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the inclination is not to do that.
unidentified		Yes, and, you know, having seen my father involved, both as, you know, he was a good American as far as most things went, very active politically.
		But then I also saw him involved.
		I mean, I met Joe Clark in Denver, you know, the sheriff that stopped the Civil Rights March, and Barry Goldwater and all kinds of people.
		But those things all blended together in those days, but there were still a lot of people that didn't, you know, a lot of old people that could not accept things.
		Now I think it's a different problem because I think that most of the population should be a lot more educated about...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		You're absolutely right about that.
		This is a different problem.
		It's the same old thing, but it's something new.
unidentified		Yes, and you know what's bothered me greatly of late is the fact that I can't see any innate source.
		I cannot find the source of the agitation.
		But there's a lot of it happening.
		I can't blame it on the media, but I'm not a conspiratorialist at all.
		Somebody is agitating it beyond what...
		These militia types are generally disorganized.
		I mean, I know of where I speak.
		As a child, I fired automatic weapons that were being manufactured for the KKK.
		I mean, this is how radical some of the people that I saw, but I knew it was wrong then.
		But these guys are not very well organized, yet what we see and what we constantly hear about now is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		is is more organized as if it's being agitated a lot i i think your point look i really take your point to heart sir and i hope everybody else listening does too i tend to agree this is not your your granddad's racism.
		This is something new.
		What do I mean by that?
		Racism is racism.
		Well, not exactly.
		this is born of some new center this is born of some new This is something new.
		This is a new kind of hatred.
		And it's hard to even, frankly, put into words because I don't know where it comes from.
		Maybe some of you can help, but whatever it is, there is a new source for it.
		Here's a facts I just got, too.
		Cyber snobbery.
		Hi, Art.
		It's been quite a while since I put in my two cents worth, and I thought this would be a good time to do it.
		I started out on AOL and was with them for three or four months before switching to a direct internet provider.
		Most of the people I know also began on AOL or one of the other online providers.
		I found that while AOL was very user-friendly, especially for a beginner, it and the other online providers are very cost-prohibitive, I'll get it, if you have more than just a passing interest in the Internet.
		They tend to be quite slow, comparatively, and that clock is always ticking.
		However, I was really amazed at the near hatred for AOLers expressed by those on the Internet who are so much more, quote, cool, end quote, and quote, with it, end quote, because they have a direct provider.
		Granted, AOLers are lacking in net etiquette and common courtesy, but they sure don't have any corner on that market.
		It seems to me that it'd be a lot more helpful and beneficial to all of us that enjoy cyberspace if a little more of welcome aboard attitude was expressed by those with more experience instead of this holier than thou attitude that seems to be prevalent.
		Besides, as you know, many people simply do not have the option of going with a direct provider because of their geographical location or other reasons.
		At any rate, I agree with you.
		It is snobbery at its worst.
		Larry in Medford, Oregon.
		Dead on the money, Larry.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		Is this our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Gary calling from Reading.
		Hi.
		And I just wanted to ask you, the guy with the demon seeds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And did you say that you could grow meat off of the plants themselves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he claims, yes.
unidentified		So would that make you a farmer or a rancher?
unidentified		That's important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe both.
		Yeah, maybe both.
		I wonder how much money the government would give me, considering how big the plant would get for not growing it.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a good point.
unidentified		And you know, the drought in Texas, you know, meat prices are going to go up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll hold the seeds.
unidentified		Okay, and I want to talk about the Christian supremacist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wasn't Christ not an Aryan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be my guess, you know.
unidentified		He was Hebrew?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt he was an Aryan.
unidentified		So I don't know how they can be Christian supremacists.
unidentified		Doesn't make any sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't make any sense to me either, and yet they are, and they appear to be growing.
		And as I discussed with another caller, very insightful a few moments ago, this racism today, this hatred we've got today, appears to me now that I think about it, to be very sourced in a very different way than the old stuff, you know, granddad's racism in the South.
		It's not like that.
		This is new, and it's different.
unidentified		Right, right.
		I think that has a lot to do with people just hiding hate behind religion, once again.
		It's happened through the ages.
		You know, this is nothing new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay to hate and be racist as long as you do it in God's name.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what it's looking like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I appreciate you calling your show.
		Have a good morning.
		I mean, think about that a little bit.
		If I go on the IRC chat, I enjoy myself.
		If I go into AOL's chat room, I enjoy myself.
		If I go on any of the other many services, I enjoy it.
		I like cyberspace, all of it.
		And I, you know, maybe it's symptomatic.
		I mean, here we are again.
		All of this divisiveness and hatred in cyberspace and snobbery, whatever you want to call it, I think it's ridiculous and a waste of time.
		It's really very much like racism or feelings of superiority, white superiority.
		It's a big waste of time and energy.
		Why can't you enjoy it where you are?
		Why do you spend all the time hating others, hating other avenues?
		Let it be.
		They all serve their purpose.
		AOL, for example, gets people into and holds on to many of them.
		It gets them into cyberspace when otherwise they wouldn't begin to know how to deal with some other type of provider where they aren't ready for it.
		So, you know, in every aspect of life, and this is just one that I'm in, so I happen to notice it very much, hatreds and animosities and differences are on the increase.
		It's going to get us, I'm telling you.
unidentified		Gunshot
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, good morning.
unidentified		Well, I would like to make a comment about what they said about discipline being the reason for people to be more superior, but that was what Hitler had, right down to the honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he had a lot of control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Total control.
		And the other thing I'd like to mention is that I'm Arian.
		I live in neighborhoods all colors, and I feel closer to them.
		I mean, I'm more safe with some of them in my neighborhood than I'm with my own Aryan class, because there is always a chicken in the hen house that gets picked to death by the rest of the chickens.
		As you know, if you ever heard the story about farming, chickens do pick on one chicken, and they pick on it until there's a bloody mess and it dies.
		And you know, our society represents that very much.
		If we haven't got superiority somewhere and someone to peck at, you see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I do.
unidentified		And hey, here's another humorous thing.
		Do you realize how much chicken we're eating and how much turkey we're consuming?
		So what are we turning into a bunch of chickens and turkeys?
		Because we're afraid of the beef.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		See you later, because we're afraid of the beef.
		Anybody want to take a stab at the old racism versus the new?
		The old hatreds versus the new ones?
		There has been a change.
		It's a very interesting thing to discuss, isn't it?
		I understood the structure of the segregation and to some degree racism.
		In the Deep South, when I was a youngster, I saw it.
		You know, I saw it.
		I saw a lot of it going on.
		But it was very different than what we have today.
		It was a structured, kind of more of a segregation than it was a racism.
		Sure, there was plenty of racism involved on the part of many.
		But generally, it was more segregation than racism.
		Make no mistake, there were certainly hatreds that brewed and manifested themselves in many terrible ways.
		But it was arguably different than those today.
		This is not your grandfather's racism.
		This is something totally new and in a lot of ways more insidious.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, good heavens.
		Pardon me.
		Let me get to you.
		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Here we go.
		This is Sandy calling from East of St. Louis.
		Boy, I'm surprised you picked that up.
		Anyway, what I'm calling about is, if you had any luck with major...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		D-A-M-E-S?
unidentified		Okay, S-M is in Mary.
		Okay, very good.
		That's what I thought.
		Okay.
		Have you had any luck with that for starters?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Friday night, Saturday morning at 11 o'clock Pacific.
unidentified		Wow.
		Okay, great.
		Now, here's, I got a suggestion for you.
		I want to run this by you.
		How about having a roundtable or like a conference call with, say, Ed Dames, Richard Hoagland, Michael Lindemann, you can pick any one of that, you know, any number of that group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they all have very different things, sir.
unidentified		Not really.
		Richard Hoagland.
		yes yes really really richard what would be able to converse with this guy and in a way i think that what Well, I'm probably not...
		No.
		What I'm driving at here is we've got to thrash out whether or not we're really in trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		It's only a matter of how we best do that.
		And I think that having Richard Oagland, who does a lot of work on Mars and the Moon, would not be the person to have on with Major Deems.
		What I want to do Friday night, Saturday morning is to, we'll have enough time, and I want to give you all more of an idea of what remote viewing is.
		A lot of people don't understand what SciTech is, what he did for the military, and what he's doing now in civilian life, and then that will put into perspective for you what he says is going to occur.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Lee and Lubbock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lee and Lubbock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Just fine.
		I was just calling this, well, I guess you know it's the first time.
		But I was calling about the racism thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		There's two books I found.
		One, it's about LSD, actually, but they get into some really strange things about the CIA.
		It's called Acid Dreams.
		It's by a man named Bruce Cheyenne, I think his name is.
		But they get into some real interesting things about the CIA involvement in things like the SDS and the Weatherman and all the big activist groups in the late 60s.
		And it was saying they found documents saying like one in six of the demonstrators at the Democratic Convention in Chicago was actually either hired by the CIA or paid by them, you know, to cause trouble.
		And I started looking at that and I started looking at like the LA riots and other things.
		And what I'm starting to see is like you have all these people blaming each other and somebody gets them to point the finger and that they're so caught up in this race deal where they've got to attack and hate each other that they miss the point.
		And things like terrible social programs and eugenics programs and stuff are just going straight by them and they never see it.
		They're so focused on hating blacks or white and blacks hanging whites, it's just getting to the point where you wonder if there's not a different agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I see where you're headed.
		You're trying to say the government is doing it.
		The CIA is out here sponsoring it, encouraging it, whatever.
		I don't think so.
		Or if there's something to that, there's not much to it.
		You can't really create hatreds that aren't there.
		They're really there.
		That's an attempt to shift blame.
		Say, I'm not doing it.
		I don't, you know, it's not people out there really hating each other.
		It's the CIA making them do it.
		I don't believe in that.
		Sorry.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		It's Mike in Blair, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be doggone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike, you're going to get the honors this morning because this program seems to be ending.
unidentified		Oh.
		Well, the one thing I wanted to say first was white supremac Christian is an oxymoron.
		And on that note, from Blair, Nebraska, good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a man who knows how to do it.
		Thank you from Blair, Nebraska, and all across this great land.
		Thank you from the great American Southwest High Desert.
		I'm Mark Bell.

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