Art Bell

April 13, 1996 - Art Bell

02:14:40

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Art Bell’s late-night ghost stories dive into chilling encounters, from a 1980 demonic Viking figure in Castro Valley to a drowned child’s Ouija board message in Michigan, where a father returned 13 days early after a black-clad apparition appeared. Callers describe poltergeists moving objects, glowing tombstones during full moons, and a haunted Pahrump house with voices and shadows—later verified online. A Long Island caller’s childhood basement haunting involved physical attacks, while a San Diego story ties a pool panic to messages from spirits named Seth and Steve. Bell grapples with trapped souls, especially innocent children, questioning whether hauntings reflect divine fairness or something darker tied to locations, leaving listeners unsettled by the blurred line between memory and the supernatural. [Automatically generated summary]
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43:29

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benjamin baruch

01:11

chuck barris

02:34

george carlin

01:41

john ronner

02:12

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dr richard berendzen

00:27

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andrew in castro valley

callers 10:15

dallas in canada

callers 01:31

tim in chicago

callers 01:12

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Speaker	Time	Text
Need to Believe 00:15:08
unidentified		Good Friday, they're day.
		Yes, indeed.
		From the island of Buan on the west.
		Or is it the east?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
unidentified		This is coast to coast a.m.
unidentified		Good evening, victims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you all are as victims.
		Right?
		There is no question in my mind, nor has there been for years, about the existence of ghosts.
		I know there are ghosts.
		And I think most of you, the majority of you actually, know there are ghosts too.
		So every now and then we stop what we're doing.
		Whatever that is.
		What is it we do here anyway?
		Anyway, we every now and then stop and we do what we call ghost to ghost instead of coast to coast.
		Actually, it's same thing, just new name.
		And we tell ghost stories all night long.
		Now, you may hear it in my voice.
		But if you would like to see it in my face as well, then you're going to want to be absolutely certain you check out tonight's webcam photo, which I took just a very few moments ago.
		And it'll show you.
		It'll absolutely demonstrate to you what my mood is like.
		You'll be able to see my mood like that.
		It's my webcam shot.
		You know, you go to my webpage, go to program.
		No, no.
		You don't go to program.
		How the hell do you get there?
		Let's see.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I can't even operate my own computer.
		Here we go.
		Program and Art Bell Studio Cam Yes, indeed.
		Took that a few minutes ago.
		That'll set the mood for you, all right.
		I would like to welcome WTSLAM in Lebanon, New Hampshire.
		Or is it New Hampshire?
		No, it's New Hampshire.
		Technically, it's probably New Hampshire, right?
		1,400 on the dial there.
		Yo, to Sean Baker, the PD.
		Little do you know what you're in for, Sean.
		It's going to get a little rough.
		It always does on these nights.
		All we do is tell real ghost stories.
		And, you know, there are a few rules to what we're going to do tonight.
		Let me lay those down now, all right?
		Only serious, interesting, scary ghost stories need apply.
		They're all by phone.
		Unless you consider yourself to have, because there's as many of you out there as there are, there are ghosts.
		And a million ghost stories in the night.
		So only the premium ghost stories need apply.
		I mean, they've got to be good.
		So that's rule one.
		Rule two is for God's sakes, turn down your radio.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's always a rule.
		Then there's rules about, boy, we have a lot of rules, huh?
		Ghost photos.
		Yes, we will accept ghost photographs, as I think now we have probably, I think we have the best collection of ghost photographs on the web.
		If not, then we're certainly getting close, you know, to the best.
		And that's thanks to all of you.
		The same ones that are going to provide the quality ghost stories tonight, I would like to provide, I have provide quality ghost photos as well.
		So only the good ghost photos need apply.
		Now, what does that mean?
		That means any obvious cigarette smoke ghost photos are out.
		They've got to be better than that.
		That means a ghost photo with a camera strap blurring the front doesn't count either.
		Occasionally, we get the real thing.
		You know, last night, or was it?
		No, the night before.
		That was the night before.
		Somebody led me to, I think it's the fifth page in the gallery.
		A ghost photos, a fifth page, I think.
		And there's this picture of this.
		God almighty, there's an arm coming right out of the television.
		And it looks, you know, if it's a fake, it's a really, really, really good fake.
		If it's not a fake, it's everybody's nightmare.
		I mean, it's just everybody's nightmare.
		You look at that picture, some caller led me there.
		You know, I slowly, thought, plottingly made my way there on my own website, and I got to that one.
unidentified		And I, oh my God, look at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'd never seen it.
		I guess it's been up there for a while, but I hadn't seen that particular one.
		That's a real heart stopper.
		Absolutely no question about it.
		So we want only quality ghost photos sent to webmaster at artbell.com.
		That's Keith.
		He is standing by to review and judge your photograph.
		And if it's up to par, if it's really scary, we're going to put it up tonight.
		In fact, we've already got new ghost photos up there for you right now.
		As the collection continues to grow, I mean, there is no doubt.
		There is simply no doubt in my mind about the fact that ghosts are real.
		They are.
		They're as real as we are.
		There may be questions about what a ghost is, whether it's a human soul trapped here.
		Surely sometimes it is, right?
		Human souls do apparently, for at least a period, if not longer, get trapped here on earth.
		And then there may be the memory, the sort of.
		I don't even know what the right phrase would be.
		The memory, the I don't know what it is that's left of a person when their soul has departed, but something that seems to stick around.
		Maybe that means we have more components than we thought we had.
		I mean, soul goes this way.
		The lingering memory of the person goes that way.
		I don't know.
		Have you ever thought about that?
		have more components than you thought oh this is really good for any program you do up here this this way of coming back into the show It's good for any program you do.
		All right, so you know what we're gonna do tonight?
		It's gonna be Ghosts All Night Long.
		Shall we experiment?
		You always gotta get warmed up in this biz.
		So let's see.
		All we're taking are ghost stories tonight.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got one to tell?
		Good one.
		Fine.
		All other matters are verboden.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Calling from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Canada, yes, sir.
unidentified		See you on CJOB here.
		Right.
		Anyways, I don't know if I met a ghost or a time traveler, but this is one freaky tale, let me tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just sort of lay it out for me real quickly if you can, and I'll try and make a judgment.
unidentified		Every summer I go and I live in a tent in a campground.
		One night I'm sitting there listening to a football game.
		Skyrides up in an old Indian motorcycle.
		He had skin that looked like leather.
		He had Texas plates on this bike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of them in Texas look like that.
unidentified		He had two stickers on the fender skirts.
		One said America, land of the free, as long as you do what you're told.
		The other one had a picture of Mount Rushmore and a picture of Reagan smiling with a tooth that was sparkling.
		And it said, don't believe any of them.
		Anyways, we're sitting there talking.
		I gave the guy supper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're going to give me this kind of detail all the way through, we don't have enough show to do this.
unidentified		Okay, anyways, we get talking and comparing countries, this and that.
unidentified		Told me that they never really did land on the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Americans never landed on the moon.
unidentified		He said that.
		He said, not only that, he said Apollo 13 didn't happen the way it said.
		There was no accident in space.
		I asked him why this would happen.
		They said the country's morale was down, Vietnam War.
		He said, if you look at when they came back to the planet, the whole world stopped, sat on their seat, on the edge of their seat, and held their breath.
		He said they done it for financing, and they done it for the morale of the country.
		Anyways, he went on and on.
		I asked him what he'd done.
		He told me he was a history teacher, and he kind of grinned and gave a belly laugh.
		He started telling me all these tales.
		And sometime a guy up went to use the outhouse that was about 200 feet from my tent.
		I came back, he was gone.
		I never heard the bike.
		I asked my neighbor beside me.
		He never seen the guy all night.
		Nobody in the campground seen this guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think that he was the ghost of America?
		Really?
		Teaching you, teaching you history the way it really was versus the present Matrix that we all live in, right?
unidentified		I don't know if he was a ghost or a time traveler or what he was.
unidentified		I wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, see, it's close enough.
		I'll accept that.
		That's a.
		That's a fair medium call, ghost or time traveler.
		Who knows?
		Matrix Traveler.
		How about that?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, man.
		Oh, man.
		I glad I made it there.
		Y'all like the Mr. Arto?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Mr. Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi, sir.
unidentified		Hi, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can I do for you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a ghost story?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		I guess it was back in 93.
		I was standing.
		I was in a 7-Eleven.
		There was just three people in the 7-Eleven store, me and two people.
		Two people came in front of me, and they were going to the yard, you know, where the milk and their soda pops are.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generally, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up against the wall, usually.
unidentified		Anyway, these two people look kind of, they were dressed in very close.
		And they're just a few feet in front of me.
		And all of a sudden, I heard this voice out of nowhere.
		It says, only fools pay.
		And I was just looking around, and there was nobody there that said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was a voice in your own head.
unidentified		Yeah, only fools pay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only fools pay.
		Trying to talk you into copping a soda pop or God knows what else.
		You see, could have been your own inner voice tempting you, you know, the little guy that sits over on the, does he sit on the bad one, sit on the right or the left?
		Then there's a good one.
		But the good one doesn't get to speak up that much.
		That sounds like the bad one.
unidentified		Only fools pay in 7-Eleven.
unidentified		Take it, bud, and run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Art.
unidentified		This is Frank.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling from Orlando, and I'm listening to you on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Frank.
unidentified		This is quite a few years ago.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		I was actually pretty young, about six years old, six or seven.
		I lived in Long Island at the time.
		And I had an appearance of some type of apparition in my bedroom window.
unidentified		Stays with me today.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		I remember it as just like it happened yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you remember it looked like?
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		It was a definite female, a woman that appeared to be in her 30s.
		I remember that it was generally all one color, like a greenish or grayish color.
		And the best description that I can give of her, I could actually see an emotion on her face.
		It appeared that she looked at me with compassion.
unidentified		If I was to see it today, I wouldn't be frightened.
unidentified		But then I ran out of my room screaming.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		And I never told anybody about this until about the age of 25.
		I was mentioning it to my sister.
		At that point, she told me that she had also seen the same thing in our house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So whatever it was then was in the area of your house, and not just visiting you in particular, but.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine, you know, it was not something that I saw all the time.
unidentified		It was just a one-time deal.
Entity in the Window 00:09:32
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		My parents never mentioned anything of it.
		But we did move out of that house about a year afterwards.
		And the people who purchased the house from us moved out about two months afterwards.
unidentified		I don't know if that's related or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't suppose when you sold that house that you disclosed to this happy little honeymoon and couple that was going to get it next that there was an entity in there that would tend to show up by your bed in your window at night.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		Well, at the time, I wasn't old enough to have that kind of contact to give me that information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you didn't say, Mommy, Daddy, you've got to tell them.
dallas in canada ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, I have a grandmother who was babysitting that evening, and she does remember me running out of my room screaming.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you, and take care.
		Yes?
		An entity.
		Well, what do we know about this?
		We know that ghosts, particularly those produced by suicides, especially suicides, and that is worrisome, seem to hang around the place where they committed suicide, where they took their own life.
		So I suppose had you had a chance to, you know, check into it a little bit, you might have found that somebody may have done themselves in on that property somewhere.
		These days, you've got to disclose that kind of thing when you sell a house.
		But you and I all know, we both know, don't we, that you would never disclose that, would you?
		And oh, by the way, you're buying an entity as well.
		It's in the house here.
		No?
		You're not likely to say that, are you?
		So, I wonder how frequently such a thing is invoked.
		I suppose when there's an official prior history of haunting.
		Now, how would you establish that?
		Well, newspaper articles, perhaps?
		I can see an attorney using that.
		You see, there was publicity about this house.
		Everybody knows there was something wrong, very, very wrong in this house.
		A newspaper story like that.
		So who would want to have one about their house, right?
		Nobody.
		Then you couldn't sell it without disclosing what was really going on inside.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		The devil went down to Georgia.
		He was looking for a thaw to steal.
		He was in a bank, but he was way behind.
		He was willing to make a deal.
		When he came across this young man selling on a fiddle and playing it hot.
		And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, boy, let me tell you what.
		Come walk with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jenny was sweet.
unidentified		But, was she human?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a way of knowing things.
		And I know this.
		If you have a really good ghost story and you don't try to get through tonight, something really awful is going to happen to you.
		This has burdened you long enough.
		This is your opportunity for release by telling your story.
		And if you don't, it's not my responsibility.
		You've been warned.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		How you doing, Art?
		Well, so far so good.
unidentified		Before I tell you, can I ask you a question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
unidentified		Do you know what lineage the Vikings were?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I don't either, so I guess it's not going to help.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, I don't really believe in ghost art, but I do believe in demonic manifestations.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		I believe there's familiar spirits which pose as people that we've known, which are actually demonic manifestations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a really conservative religious viewpoint, isn't it?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And I believe there's nonspecific demonic manifestations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe everything that would be that explains the millions of stories we can get on this program and elsewhere.
		And photographs.
		All of it is explained by the devil.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, because the Bible points it out about familiar spirits, and of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, all right, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll go with what you believe your category to be.
unidentified		But I also believe that it...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to argue it with you.
		You believe it.
		I've no idea.
		Fine, I believe it.
		Just tell me, have you had an encounter with an evil demonic spirit?
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		But let me just say that I believe that they could be interdimensional beings, too.
unidentified		That doesn't, because that's separate entities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're a little open-minded.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell your story.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Now, this comes with a parallel, too.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Me and a friend both had this same experience at different times.
unidentified		It's pretty wild.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Not only do we have the same experience, we had been friends for several years, and then all of a sudden we found out while he was retracing his roots that we had the same grandfather in Ireland, the same great, great, great, great, great-grandfather in Ireland, which was very weird because we're both from different areas of the country and we met each other through work.
		But anyway, what happened one night is I'll get right to the story.
		I woke up and what I saw was really, really scary.
		There was a big entity in my room at the foot of my bed, and it was huge, and it had horns, great, huge horns on its head.
		And I'll get to the clincher of this in a minute.
		But it had great horns on its head, and it had red eyes, bright red eyes, and it was just standing there in my doorway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eat red eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eat red eyes.
unidentified		Right.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I did is I said, of course, and I'm not really, I believe in the Bible and I believe in Christianity, but I'm not a big practicing Christian.
		But nevertheless, I said, in the name of Jesus, be gone.
		And the entity walked back through the door and faded away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've heard this a million times.
unidentified		Well, here's the thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's more?
unidentified		Oh, it's much more to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was just going to say, though, and this will argue a little bit with your belief system, I know, but you might as well have said, in the name of our bell, the paranormal talkshalls, be gone.
unidentified		Well, that might have scared him, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might have, and it certainly would have told us a lot.
		Now, somebody out there should try.
		Now, I'm not going to be responsible for any lawsuit, for any bloody pulps just sort of lingering and soaking into the bed that are left after this is tried.
unidentified		But there's a great other part of this story, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go right ahead.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Me and my friend, we practice coffee drinking at restaurants late at night and talking about things, including your show.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		We like to talk about your show over coffee.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, I told him about that experience one night.
		I told him, and he says, well, I had the same experience, the same thing.
		And I said, did it have horns on its head?
unidentified		He said, yeah.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		And I said, something similar to you said, and it backed down the hallway.
unidentified		I didn't tell him one point of this.
		I said, well, tell me what it looked like.
		He said, well, the horns weren't really horns.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		It was like a Viking cap.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		And I looked at my friend and said, I did not tell you this part about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the lady.
unidentified		That's what it was.
unidentified		It was a Viking cap.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		I didn't tell him that, but we both had the same experiences.
		He both said something similar.
		And his, instead of, you know, just out of the room, his was in the hallway, and it walked down the hallway and disappeared.
unidentified		But it was like a huge Viking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you all the way, and I can't think of anything that I would less like to see than something with glowing red eyes.
		That creeps me out.
		That always creeps me out.
		Glowing red eyes, I know, are bad.
		Very bad.
		No matter what else, what other form the creature has, the glowing red eyes, oh, they're very bad.
		And by the way, just so there's no mistake about it, if I ever encountered one of these things and I had to invoke a name to get it gone, you can bet your bottom dollar wouldn't be my name.
		You all want to try that?
		You go right ahead.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Robert, the KFI in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, the mighty camp.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		I have been haunted by the ghost of a dead cheerleader.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not as bad as a lot I hear about, sir.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		She died quite recently.
Air Force Encounter 00:09:23
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		She was murdered by a photographer, and the photographer was sentenced and convicted for murdering her.
unidentified		Do you remember this story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but, well, let's see, do I?
		I do remember.
		Anyway, it's not important.
		Go right ahead.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Dead cheerleader.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		I had met her five years previously, but I was haunted by her in 1973 when I was in the Air Force.
unidentified		I would be in formation.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		There'd be several thousand of us in formation going to tech school.
		And all of a sudden, the entire formation was called to a halt while all the big NCOs and officers came up to look at me.
		And I'm standing there wearing a cute little cheerleader outfit with pom-poms in my hand.
		And the airman behind me is rubbing my behind.
		And after that, my life was a living heck, and I couldn't understand it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
		Well, I remember boot camp real well.
		And people like you, if you were really in that outfit, you know, it's like you went home the next day.
		That was a chicken home.
		So there can't possibly be more to this story.
		Oh, there's funny.
		Well, there can't be, except to say that in boot camp, a lot of us in our mind's eye saw cheerleaders.
		Mm-hmm.
		Every day, in fact.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Well, everybody saw one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there wasn't a woman around to be seen.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, my commanding officer's commanding officer, former commanding officer, was Brigadier General Chuck Yeager.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		Shortly after that, he came down to interview me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		Because my commanding officer was friends with A. Yeager, and Yeager came to interview because he heard about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is about the time of the comet.
tim in chicago ▲ ● ▼		This is about the time of the comet in 1973, and about the time Colonel Fox went to the city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It never got that weird, sir.
unidentified		Never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chuck Yeager had a lot of things to do with his time, but interviewing people who had donned cheerleading uniforms in basic training while getting fondled, that would not have been high on his list.
unidentified		I don't buy it, bonk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Miss Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
		It's a little slow on the trigger here.
		I'm not a Canadian, so I really enjoy you.
		It must be Air Force Night tonight.
		I'm retired Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
dr richard berendzen ▲ ● ▼		I was stationed at Effie Warren Air Force Base the last few months I was in.
dr richard berendzen ▲ ● ▼		And since I went retired on active duty, they gave me a position in babysitting in the dormitories.
unidentified		The buildings at Effie Warren are extremely old.
unidentified		They're from after the Civil War.
dr richard berendzen ▲ ● ▼		And I worked very late at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That really is old.
unidentified		Quite a nice base.
dr richard berendzen ▲ ● ▼		But as I was sitting there, it must have been about three in the morning, I had a Buffalo soldier report in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Buffalo soldier?
unidentified		Yeah, full regalia.
unidentified		Buckskins, the hat, the pistols, just terrified me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean, just came right up to you?
unidentified		He came into my office, didn't feel like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Full form, not wispy or anything like a ghost, but just solid human?
unidentified		No, he was solid to me.
		And then he left.
		He just disappeared.
		Vaporized, I guess would be the best word for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In front of your eyes.
unidentified		In front of my eyes.
unidentified		About five minutes after, everybody in the dormitory knew I'd seen him because it did scare me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are two types after an experience like that.
		One is, like you, can't keep your mouth shut, gonna have to tell everybody in sight just to feel better about it.
		And the other is, I'm never telling anybody about this.
		I'm gonna go have a little nap and I'm gonna see if I feel better.
unidentified		Well, I lived across the field from General Blackjack's old house, Blackjack Pershock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr richard berendzen ▲ ● ▼		And there were reports of lights and stuff in that building, his old house.
dr richard berendzen ▲ ● ▼		And I had never believed anything until that soldier reported to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something that I've thought an awful lot about, and that is battlefields.
		I, too, was in the Air Force to pile on here, and during Vietnam, and a lot of people died.
		And, you know, there are a lot of ghosts on battlefields.
		And I've been, if a ghost is really a human soul still here on earth, then there would be, in my mind, zero righteousness in the world and a very unfair God to take any soldier who had died in defense of his country and keep him trapped, keep his soul trapped on earth?
		Yes.
		How ultimately unfair would that be?
unidentified		That would be a terrible, terrible afterlife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly right.
		Thank you very much.
		Terrible indeed.
		So why then are battlefields littered with ghosts?
		What sort of God would allow that to occur?
		The only answer you can really hope for here is that indeed it is not the soul, but some other component of what's left of you when your body is gone.
		West to the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Anita from Harrisburg, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there, Anita.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have a kind of a freaky story to tell that happened to me.
		Actually, we've had several things happen to us in this house.
		And anyway, my husband and I had just watched a movie.
		It was the Amityville Horror.
		And we're getting ready for bed and went and got in.
		And I started getting this really icky feeling like something evil was in the room with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my husband had gone to sleep.
		And we had our one-year-old son in the same room.
		And he started fussing and fussing and wouldn't settle down.
		And I was starting to doze off.
		Every time I doze off, I'd jump awake like something kept bothering me or, you know, and I had this real evil feeling.
		And about three o'clock in the morning, I had dozed off, and I jumped awake again because it felt like something had taken a finger and run across my feet at the end of the bed.
		And I heard a hiss.
		A hiss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you don't have cats.
unidentified		No, and we didn't have any cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hisses are really bad.
unidentified		Yeah, but I had the light on all night.
		I was laying there on my back, you know, so I could see all around the sides of me.
		And anyway, I was so scared I didn't know what to do.
		So I said, you know, just had a quick prayer.
		And that feeling went away.
		And we finally made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And whatever it was, yeah, it did.
unidentified		And my son settled down, and I settled down, and we slept the rest of the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I guess we've got to ask, is that really the power of God?
		Is the prayer the invocation of the Lord's name?
		Yeah, but Jesus, does that really drive these things away?
		Or is it just the command, your command, your mental command to be gone?
unidentified		Yeah, but before that, my husband had seen a big figure in our doorway of the bedroom.
		He just saw the form of it.
		And this was like probably a couple months before my experience.
		And then it went away.
		And then a couple nights later, he woke up and it was right in his face.
		And he goes, what do you want?
		And it says, I want you.
		And he just laid there.
		He was just frozen.
		And then I woke up too, and he was just drenched in sweat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, you mean you both saw you both saw him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or when you awoke, you saw him drenched in sweat, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, he was just, and he was all freaked out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting because I've never heard of anybody coming back from I Want You.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		Well, when we moved into this house, we had to clean it out, and upstairs there were stacks and stacks of witchcraft books, and we kind of think that had something to do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know anything about the former tenants?
unidentified		Not really, just that they weren't very clean.
unidentified		We had to clean up the whole house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they obviously had a big interest in witchcraft.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, a big interest.
		And even my kids, when they were little, they slept up in that room where we cleaned the books out of.
		And my oldest son said he would see, well, he described them as white ladies dancing in the closet.
		And he said that they made kind of a growling sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Growling?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, so we've had a lot of weird stuff happen here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another thing that would be really upsetting to me would be a female growling.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, he's and my older daughter had seen him too at the same time.
Police Visit At Midnight 00:06:06
unidentified		So I knew that they, you know, and they were totally serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's even more serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you have like two people, two witnesses, two family members who see the same thing at the same time, if that really happens, time to move out.
unidentified		Well, actually, we had a house fire and it burned the whole upstairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it really?
unidentified		Yeah, and so my husband remodeled the whole house and we tore the whole top of the house off completely.
unidentified		And ever since then, we have not had anything happen here in this house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wonder, yeah, but what does that say?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		That's really, you know, that's another thing that I found really strange because, you know, after the house fire, we rebuild the house and then nothing happens again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you burned the ghost out or the ghost burned itself out.
		What caused the fire?
		Do you know?
unidentified		Well, they think it was an extension cord, but they're not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's almost as good as swamp gas, Jeff Hoss.
unidentified		This house was built in 1940.
unidentified		So, you know, lots of things could have happened here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, that sort of seems to say that whatever it was was locked into that physical place, that physical building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what in the world do you suppose happened to it when it burned?
unidentified		I don't know.
		That's what I've always wondered.
		That's had me puzzled because, you know, we were having so many weird things happen here and then all of a sudden it's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people in the audience scoff at this kind of thing and they say, ah, baloney, stories, made-up stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not made up, is it?
unidentified		No, no, none of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		No, not made up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, these things are real.
		I just, I wish that we understood more about them.
		And try as we might, it seems nearly impossible to achieve that.
		Once again, you might take a glance at my webcam photo tonight when you get a chance.
		It was my in the mood photo.
		Well, let's see what lurks upon the wildcard line.
unidentified		You're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish your radio.
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a ghost story for us?
unidentified		I certainly do, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Letters.
unidentified		I have.
		Okay, so in my house in Plymouth, New Hampshire, where I actually rented the apartment above an accounting office, and at one night, at about 10 o'clock at night, all of a sudden I heard some loud noise, which sounded like somebody was down there slamming one of the doors.
		Then I heard what sounded like somebody going into a file cabinet and just ripping through the files like you could just hear papers flying through.
		And I was scared.
		I said, well, I yelled down to it.
		I said, who's down there?
		And I said, I have a gun up here.
		And no response just started tearing through them even more.
		So I went and I called the local police.
		They showed up in three minutes.
		The noise stopped pretty much right as they showed up.
		I went out and greeted them and they were like, well, what's going on?
		And they went and they checked all the doors to make sure nobody had broken in.
		And then, you know, sure enough, they said, oh, there's nobody in there.
		They shine their lights in there, whatever, and they left.
		Well, the next morning, or later that night, I heard nothing more.
		But then, you know, the next morning, the accountant came in and said, I went down there and said to her, this was my landlord.
		I said, you know, I thought I have to tell you, I called the police last night.
		I thought someone had broken in and been going through your files.
		She was like, well, nothing's out of order.
		And she's like, that's really weird because I couldn't tell.
		It felt like somebody was holding the door when I tried to come in this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo, of course it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like somebody was holding the door and she couldn't get in?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While all this was obviously going on, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
		And then she went around the front, unlocked it, and went in and went back to that back door.
		And that door was unlocked and no one was there.
		And I was looking out every window in that house to make sure that, you know, nobody came running out of there because it is a college town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to go at that point.
		Thank you.
		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and tonight we're telling only ghost stories.
		That's all we're doing.
		Ghost stories.
		If you don't have a ghost story, don't call.
		And it better be a good one, too.
		And we're only taking quality ghost photographs sent to my esteemed webmaster.
		If you have a ghost photograph that just won't quit, not smoke, not, you know, camera straps or anything like that.
		We want the real McCoy.
		Send it to webmaster at artbell.com, and we will post it tonight during the program.
		You can go look at them.
		By the way, I've got my own webcam.
		Remember when you were a kid?
		Well, wait till you see what the results are with me earlier tonight on my webcam.
		It says volumes about my mood.
Basement Secrets Revealed 00:15:21
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I look at my own webcam picture and it scares me.
		I did that myself.
		I look at that and I go, oh, my God, what's in me?
		You know?
		Maybe that's a good question.
		What's in me?
		You take a look at that.
		Do I have my evil side?
		God, I look terrible.
		Absolutely terrible.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Anne.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		My name is Andrew.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Castro Valley, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I have a story that took place in 1980.
		I was a sophomore in high school.
		I don't know if you know where the town of Auburn, California is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I went to high school in Auburn there.
		The high school was previously a university that my father attended.
		Just about a half a mile away, there was the Auburn Courthouse.
		Very famous building, huge.
		And it had been abandoned for at least 40 years.
		Right after the war, they stopped using it and moved the courthouses to a more modern building.
		And I was an aspiring filmmaker in those days in high school.
		And so I managed to get permission from the county clerk to go in and do an amateur film in there.
		And I got the keys and I went into the place with two or three friends of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was going to be, what, just some historical film?
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		No, no, this was just going to be kind of a romp, you know, kind of a fantasy little thing.
		I didn't quite have it worked out.
		We were kind of winging it as far as the film goes.
		But it was just an interesting background once I got in there.
		I had no idea what I was in for, as far as the story goes.
		And the architecture, too, was pretty amazing.
		We got inside the place.
		If you can imagine, just a huge box, basically, made of stone, three stories high.
		And then on top of that was a giant rotund, much like a Capitol building rotund.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		And on top of that was a little miniature rotund where you could get up kind of a kind of the crow's nest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can picture it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen the buildings.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, we got in there, and the whole downstairs was all marble.
		I think it had been redone in the 20s and kind of Art Deco style.
		And there was dust and cobwebs everywhere.
		And we started setting up our equipment and looking around.
		And mostly we were using the film as an excuse to goof off because it was just such a tremendously interesting playground.
		And to have the keys to this place, I felt like I was getting away with something.
		But we started hearing banging noises coming from the upper floors.
		And we hadn't been up there yet, so we didn't know if anyone was in the building or not.
		And so we went up and checked it out.
		Two of us did.
		And we had our girlfriends there.
		They stayed downstairs.
		They didn't want to go up.
		And there was no one there.
		So we came back down.
		We looked in all the courtrooms.
		And believe me, the courtrooms were lavish, you know, dark, varnished wood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, even, yeah, even modern courtrooms are that way.
		And all through the south they stay that way.
		I mean, they're really old, as you point out.
		Heavy wood, carved wood.
		You really have the feeling of old, sure.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it was beautiful.
		And in the downstairs, there were safes.
		There were these enormous safes with brass and steel and iron.
		And they were just open, several of them.
		And so we filmed some footage down there.
		And this banging continued.
		And so then we, after having found out that no one was in the building, the banging persisted and we started really getting nervous.
		And yet at the same time, we were intrigued.
		We wanted to see something almost.
		We wanted to go up and have some experience, I guess, at that age.
		And so we kind of sneaked up there and looked around, and there was, again, no one there, nothing there.
		The electricity was on, so we could work the lights.
		And we came back downstairs, and I noticed that all my papers, my script in my little folder, was not on the bench where I left it.
		And I was looking around for it.
		Maybe I left it over where the safes are or somewhere else.
		And so I searched for it, couldn't find it.
		And then went back upstairs carrying all the equipment with us.
		And I noticed that, of all things, my camera strap was gone.
		Someone had actually taken the camera strap, unsnapped it off of the camera, the movie camera, and it was missing.
		So we carried everything up into this gigantic courtroom.
		And lo and behold, on top of the bench, on top of the judge's table or desk, there was my book and the camera strap neatly folded across it.
		And, you know, there was only four of us.
		The girls were really reluctant to come upstairs at all.
		And so there was me and my friend.
		And I would have noticed if either of us had been carrying the book or the camera strap.
		And I went back down and asked the girls, you know, how did the camera strap get off of the camera?
		And they said, oh, we don't know.
		We've just been sitting here the whole time.
		They were down there, you know, having sodas and eating food or whatever.
		And so I'm like, okay.
		So we went back upstairs, and we had turned off all the lights because we wanted to see if we could do filming in the dark, you know, with the present light coming in through the windows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only the young and stupid.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, after all this, you're turning off the lights.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we go back upstairs and the light in the one courtroom is on.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Now, I didn't think anything of it because who knows, my friend could have gone back up there, turned it on, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		So we're in the courtroom, the light is on.
		I'm filming a little footage, and then the banging happens again.
		So all of us go downstairs, and the girls want to leave.
		They don't want any part of it now.
		They're scared because we've already told them there's no one here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proving again girls are smarter than boys.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much true.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, adventure kicks in, and so we really wanted to know what was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you call adventure is actually stupidity and youthful testosterone running out of control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so fine, you go.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, the girls decided to go, and it was, you know, the lunch hour that we had, and that was pretty much over.
		So being studious individuals, they went back to school, and we stayed there, of course.
		And on the downstairs floor, there were cells, holding cells.
		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, there would be cells, wouldn't there, in an old courthouse?
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there sure were.
		And a couple of them had doors at both ends.
		They were like long, narrow cells with a door at one end, iron bar grates, and a door at the other end.
unidentified		Gotcha.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, we went inside one of these cells, made sure that it couldn't lock.
		There was no lock on it.
		And the other end was wide open.
		We walked in.
		The door behind us slammed shut for no apparent reason.
		And so our instant reaction was to run like the Dickens and go out the other end before it slammed shut.
		I mean, we were terrified at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you made a dash for the other side.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		We made a dash for the other side.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Got out and entered into a different part of the courthouse, circled back around to where we'd started, and it was open as if it had never happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let me guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You went back in.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, we didn't go back into the cell.
		At this point, it had become like a game.
		We were just waiting to see what the next thing was that was going to happen.
		And we couldn't let it go.
		I mean, we weren't seeing anything.
		We weren't hearing voices or anything.
		We were just convinced that somebody's playing with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, these kind of games in the movies end up with dismembered bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, anything else?
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was one final punctuation that made us all never go back.
		And that happened right outside the building in broad daylight, probably 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
		Up on top of the building, there were four statues.
		And they were the typical statue of justice holding the scales and the sword.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Except they weren't blindfolded.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		They just had their eyes closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Four women on the cardinal points of the compass on top.
		We were approaching the building, just the two of us, my friend Aaron and myself.
		We looked up.
		We were just about to go in the front door.
		I had the keys in my hand.
		We looked up at the statue, and her eyes were open.
		And then they closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they closed while you watched?
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		They closed while we watched.
		And we looked at each other, and we literally did a double take.
		We looked back up at the statue because we both recognized that we both had seen it.
		And we looked back up, and the eyes were shut.
		And that was it.
		We turned around and went right back to school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First smart move you made.
		That's some story, all right.
		Thank you very much.
andrew in castro valley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you look up at a statue and the eye opens and then closes, it's really time to go.
		I bought the whole thing, and the only thing that could have caused me to reject that entire story would be if they'd have, you know, climbed up to investigate the statue or gone in the house.
		That would have been too much for me.
		But I'll buy what he gave.
		That wasn't bad.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Are you talking to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm talking to you.
		Oh, there you go.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Come on.
unidentified		I'm on Long Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		New York.
		This is Russ.
		This is my first time call.
		And I have something that happened to me when I was four.
		I'm 47 now.
		And what happened was I was running around the house after my sister.
		My sister was eight.
		I was four.
		And I couldn't catch up to her.
		And she ran down the basement stairs.
		I ran down there after her.
		And she's running around the basement, and she's laughing, and I'm trying to catch up to her.
		And as I was trying to get her, I saw the basement door open.
		And so I says, how the heck was it?
		And I ran up the basement steps to go outside.
		And when I got to the top of the steps, I noticed my sister was in the backyard playing.
		And I looked down the stairs and I said, well, she's out there playing.
		Then who's laughing downstairs?
		But, you know, at four years old, you know, who really thinks of anything scary?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't.
unidentified		You know, so then I just went outside and I continued to play.
		That was the first thing that happened.
		Then as I got older, my father would yell up the stairs at me and wake me up around 2 o'clock in the morning and say, what are you doing up there?
		Get to sleep.
		So I said, you just woke me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So something was going on around you.
unidentified		He said he heard walking around.
		He says, you're walking around up there.
		I said, I'm not walking around.
		I said, you just woke me up.
		So now years go by and I'm in the kitchen and he's in bed sleeping and my brother is upstairs sleeping now in that room and I heard walking around and I went by the stairs and I says, Jimmy, what are you doing walking on?
		What are you doing?
		So I went upstairs and my brother was sound asleep.
		So I got a chill went up my back and I says, geez, this is what my father's been hearing all these years, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
unidentified		And so that's been going on for, you know, that happened.
unidentified		That went on for quite a few years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen anything?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		Yes, I did.
		Scared the hell out of me, too.
		I was around 15, I would think.
		And we had a whole we had a we had company over the house.
		It was a party for some reason.
		I don't know what it was.
		But anyway, there was a lot of people in the house.
		And I was coming out of the bathroom.
		And directly across from the bathroom is my mother's bedroom, you know, my parents' bedroom.
		And so as I opened the door to come out, I saw a woman standing in the bedroom at the edge of the bed in a long white gown.
		I couldn't make the face out, but she was, it was just beautiful.
		That's all I can remember.
		It was just beautiful.
		And I went into the kitchen and I said to my mother, I says, who's the lady inside in the bedroom with a long white gown on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And sometimes it could be a really bad thing to go tell Mom.
unidentified		Well, she could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, well.
		She said, I know what you're saying to Bride and all that stuff, but no.
		Yeah, she says, no, there's nobody here.
		And there's no one in the house with a long white gown on.
		So I says, I'm telling you, there's someone in your bedroom there.
		She's standing there at the edge of the bed, and she's looking out towards the hallway.
		And so we went in there, and of course, there was nobody in there.
		And from that point, whenever I went past her door, I would never look in.
		Thank you.
		But, you know, because I did not want to see that woman again.
		Then there was one time where I came home from work pretty late.
		And I walked in the house and it was dark.
		And I said, Ma, I said, you home?
		Because I heard the TV on in the den.
		And she always kept the lights out.
		She just kept the den lights on with the TV on.
		So she goes, I'm home.
		So I said, okay.
		I walked inside and I walked in the den and there was no damn TV on and there was nobody home.
		So I flew out the door.
		I mean, I got these chills that went crazy.
		I just like shot out that door.
		Then I was sleeping.
		And I woke up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have a lot of time now, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
		I was sleeping in my room and the whole light was on.
		This is when I was just a kid.
		And I looked over towards the doorway.
		And there were two dark figures standing out my doorway.
		I don't know what they were, but they had these like, they were shadows.
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unidentified		And they had hats on and they were about, I would say about three feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we know what they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know what they are.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I'm going to tell you something, Art.
		They were standing outside my door.
		And then I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
		I says, I'm fully awake here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was rubbing my eyes.
unidentified		I said, what the heck is that?
		And I looked over again, and now they were in the door.
		They were about a foot inside the door.
		So I just laid down straight.
		I could not believe what I was seeing.
		I just wouldn't, you know, I just would not believe that there was something in the room.
		And with that, something grabbed my feet, and I shot up through the covers, and I went for the light, and I put it on, and there was nothing in the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so physically grabbing your feet.
unidentified		Something grabbed my feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that would scare the hell out of you.
		I agree with you.
		Thank you very much.
		Bad enough to see things, hear things, walking about, and then see things.
		But the line is drawn at the grabbing of the feet.
		If something physically yanks on you, that means it's strong enough to have manifested itself physically in this world, and if it wants you, it's going to have you.
		Easter the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art?
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi.
		I'm from Indiana.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm a private in the U.S. Military Army.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And my sister had a story quite like the females before.
		But, you know, I had just a little bit to add to that myself because I had one of the experiences somewhat in the same time.
		We were young living in an Army base out in Fort Meade, Maryland.
		And my sister was up all night frequently, and she was always scared, and she was always running to the bathroom.
unidentified		And we just thought she was having bad dreams.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, what the young lady had described earlier was exactly what my sister was talking to us about and still continues to talk to us to this day.
		Something was literally scratching at her feet and grabbing at her feet and she would run into the bathroom, shut the door, and just cry her eyes out.
		Now, during that time, I was also having things waking me up by breathing up in my face, and it would scare me so much that it would wake me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right in your face.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Right in my face, and it just scare me completely.
		And mom did not know what was going on with her kids.
		Now, at one time, I had felt something actually grab me, and I thought I was sleeping.
		I thought it was a dream, and to this day, it still feels like a dream, but I don't know, you tell me, but it almost felt like I was lifting up out of my bed and floating down the hallway.
unidentified		But it still to me, it seems like a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might have been an out-of-body, but when things physically grab at you, it's getting real serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because if they want you, they got you.
unidentified		I hear the guns echoing tonight.
unidentified		Here's only whispers of some quiet conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost to Ghost AM, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only ghost stories all night long, and they're all from you.
unidentified		And they better be good ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ghost photographs to be directed to wetmaster at artbell.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Travis in Belfare, Washington, asks, Art, have you ever considered doing a show in a haunted house for an episode of Ghost to Ghost?
unidentified		I never dreamed that I. You know, I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might, and I might not.
		I don't know.
		If I did it, I would want to go to a real haunted house, and there really are haunted houses.
		But then I have to ask myself, it would be in the middle of the night, like now, and would I really actually want to do a show from there?
		And the real actual answer might be no.
		I'm not so sure I would.
		I might.
		I know one thing for damn sure I wouldn't do it alone.
		So my wife, at the very least, would have to come along.
		I think I heard, I don't think so, from the other room or something even worse.
		So would I do it alone?
		no uh... uh...
		i wouldn't no night once again West of the Rockies.
		You're on Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Cheers.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cheers.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
unidentified		I'm calling you from San Diego, listening to you on K-O-G-O.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got to be the one.
unidentified		Yeah, Padres won tonight.
		Go, Padres.
		But yeah, I'm JD.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		And I talked to you one time before I think.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		I'm the guy with, I'm really into the Summer and Time thing, too.
unidentified		I'm trying to bring it to stage.
unidentified		But before I get into ghost story, you got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got to go right to the ghost story.
unidentified		Well, this has to do with the ghost.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		Because did you know Summer and Time was really not that Mackinac Hotel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was actually down near you.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know all about that.
unidentified		And that's a haunted hotel.
		They have a room shut down.
		But that's not my story.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		I am from Hollywood originally, and when I was about 20, I'm 34 now.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		A girlfriend of mine was, I had a very successful father who bought a mansion up in the Hollywood Hills, and it had been empty for about, I don't know, eight to ten years or so, whatever.
unidentified		And the first night he bought it, he was very excited.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		He told his daughter, and we went to go check it out.
unidentified		And it had a pool.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		And I'm a swimmer guy, you know, from Hollywood.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, it was a really creepy pool because all the plants and everything had kind of overgrown.
unidentified		And it was a black bottom pool.
		But it was nighttime, and I took a dive in.
		And I thought, yeah, I'm a great swimmer.
		It was a hot summer night.
		It was in August.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young and stupid and in Hollywood.
unidentified		Yeah, I was.
unidentified		And it gets worse.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		So I dive in, and when I was under the water, I just got this panic feeling that something was wrong.
unidentified		And I got up and I got right out of the pool.
		And I said, something's weird about that pool.
		So time passes.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		The gentleman whose house it was moved in.
unidentified		And he went away.
		He's got schools in London and Hollywood and New York.
		So he went away.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't like me seeing his daughter, so I was not allowed at the house.
unidentified		He was in London for two weeks, supposedly.
unidentified		So I went over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good time to see Don.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I went over and I brought my Ouija board, which I'd been messing around with.
unidentified		I know.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		So we Ouija'd there, and we got a hold of, and I had been familiar with it.
unidentified		She wasn't that familiar, and she thought it was being pushed.
unidentified		But it was these two little boys called Seth and Steve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean that we're giving you messages on the Ouija board?
unidentified		Yeah, for real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Ouija board probably said, Come on in, the water is great.
unidentified		No, that was Art Bell.
		It wasn't the Rockies.
		No, they were four years old and seven.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		And the four-year-old absolutely despised me.
unidentified		He didn't even know how to spell.
unidentified		He knew how to say like a few curse words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
unidentified		But anyway, moving on.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		This four-year-old, I mean, really, despite, and my, you know, hair was standing on by my arms.
unidentified		I was like, I don't like, I don't like this.
unidentified		This is weird.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		So there were these two boys, and the older one, who was seven years old, explained that they, when somebody lived there about 12 years ago, they were not supposed to be hanging out there.
		But there was a very high wall on the other side of the pool.
		And they went, and the little four-year-old fell.
		And the seven-year-old jumped in to save him.
unidentified		And the four-year-old dragged him under.
		They both drowned.
		So they told us this on the Ouija board.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		So the next day, the girl's sister came over to the house to hang out by the pool, and we were all out by the pool.
unidentified		She wasn't going to tell her dad either.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		And she said, hey, Amy, did you know that two little boys drowned in this pool?
unidentified		And that's why it stood vacant for so long.
		And we looked at each other.
		I mean, we didn't tell her.
		So then here, I've never broken a bone in my body ever once.
		And I still haven't to this day.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		But the dad, all of a sudden, the next day, comes home from his, you know, London trip 13 days early.
		It's like he went there and turned around.
		And he shows up and found me there.
unidentified		And we were up in his master bedroom.
		Just, you know, oh, it was not pretty.
		Anyway, threw me out.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		But I was going out and I ran out the bath and I was like in underwear and a t-shirt.
unidentified		And I went, oh, no, no, no, no.
		The Ouija board, the Ouija board, if she finds the Ouija board, it was under the bed.
		So I ran back up and I got the Ouija board.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		And as I was running out, something tripped me.
unidentified		I mean, there was nothing there.
chuck barris ▲ ● ▼		I was running down the, but I broke my foot.
unidentified		And I've never broken anything.
		But I know that little brat, that little four-year-old, had tripped me.
		I mean, it was a panic situation.
		No, this is really real.
		Yeah, well, it's ghost night.
		So, hey, I listen to me every night.
		You're the best guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		You have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That would be terrifying in more ways than one, wouldn't it?
		Really, really terrifying to be caught like that.
		Whether it was a ghost or daddy, both were no doubt life-threatening situations.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Okay.
		Just wanted to say here, I currently live in a house that has a couple of things in it since we've lived here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live there now?
unidentified		Yep, currently.
		Yeah, it's always been here.
		House is about 20 years old.
		So it was built new.
		We moved in new.
		Nothing's ever happened, but something's always here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of something?
unidentified		I guess it has to be spirits of some kind because we've seen things moving in the house.
unidentified		Everybody who is here, you know, we've always seen something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean moving?
unidentified		Whether it's objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Moving in what way?
unidentified		Like physically moving an object and playing games with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you mean like sort of moving across a table?
		Do you mean something in the air?
		What do you mean?
unidentified		Yep, yep.
		I've seen it myself move.
		I felt it like when I actually wake me up at nighttime.
		It's rather unusual.
		Like I've seen it move objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
unidentified		Well, like just from side to side or up or down and then it will just drop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		It's actually taken objects and then they've disappeared and then they'll reappear like a few weeks later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that sounds a lot like a poltergeist.
unidentified		Lovely.
		Well, you know what else it's done?
		One time my brother, this was before he moved out, my older brother, he's reading a book and all of a sudden he calls me upstairs and he's like, Matt, he's like, something happened.
		I'm like, well, what do you mean?
		I smelled this awful smell.
		And it started burning his hair.
		What?
		Like, seriously, went in the room and you know that disgusting smell when hair's been burned?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly do.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that was a smell in the room.
		And I'm saying, well, what are you talking about?
		Goes well.
		I was reading my book and all of a sudden my hair started catching on fire.
		So he, that's a strong clue, strong clue to move out.
		You bet yeah, and so it's.
		It's always it's something I can't you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you see anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was his hair singed white?
unidentified		Oh yeah yeah yeah, right at the top of it, not a lot of it, but definitely enough to smell it.
		It was.
		But I mean, that's just one thing.
		There's, every night when I go to bed, it particularly likes picking on me and it likes picking on my mom every single night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how do you, how do you, how can you handle that?
		I mean, how can you possibly handle that?
		How can you not move?
unidentified		Um, I haven't had a clue.
		Like I've gone on, actually vake on vacations, and this damn thing follows me.
		Like I'm not joking, I could be in a hotel and a day later on the trip I'll be, I'll just sense it in the room.
		I'm like it's here again.
		Actually follows you around um, I don't know how to explain it, but that's well, it's a fine way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did fine.
		The question is, how can you stay there?
		I mean, how can you stay there, even one more night?
		Um, burning hair, that's way over the limit for me.
unidentified		I know I'm here every night and usually by myself.
		And yeah, I'm here right now by myself and, sure enough two, three in the morning it starts up.
		I record music quite a bit for a living and it seems to enjoy playing with my equipment, whether it be turns it off, turns it on resets, different banks and and my synthesizers.
Glowing Tombstone Mystery 00:04:35
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it beats having your hair set on fire.
unidentified		Yeah that's, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you, that's not good.
		That's not good.
		I know the exact smell he's talking about and I'm sure you do too, you've.
		You've smelled burned hair, haven't you?
		It's, awful, but to have your hair self-ignite, that's a really strong sign.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi Art, this is Andy from Largo, Florida.
		Hello Andy, how are you tonight?
		Fine good, got a story about a glowing tombstone up in Michigan.
		Oh it it, it's really good.
		Up in Michigan.
		You know, each town has their little local legends.
		Uh, there was a story about uh, off at 100th Street out in Byron Center, there's this little cemetery and they say well, there's a glowing tombstone in it.
		And I remember in high school going out here and yeah, you'd see it glow and through the years it had vandals.
		One year some kids took the stone.
		Well, the post farm family that mains that maintains the yard replaced the headstone and my friend Mark, that still lives up there, said every year it's around Halloween, it's there's a big attraction of a big group of people that go out there, but anyway it only glows during a full moon on a clear night.
		Sounds crazy.
		Well, I had vacation three years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And wait a minute, wait a minute, let me understand this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They replaced The headstone.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it was glowing, because something was obviously really wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they put a new headstone in, and it too glowed at a full moon.
unidentified		The reason they replaced the tombstone is because I guess some kids got in there and actually stole the stone.
unidentified		I got you off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the new one glowed.
unidentified		And the new one glowed too.
		Well, it was like, oh, please.
		Well, when I went up there on vacation, I looked up the post farm because I used to know the family.
		And most of the kids are all grown up and have their kids now.
		But Helen remembered me, and she talked to me for a little bit.
		And it was nice talking to him.
		And I thought it was their mercury light or something reflecting, you know, because everybody had cornfields out there.
		And the cemetery is so old.
		I mean, the headstone said 1843 to 1920.
		Right.
		So he'd be what, 77 years old.
		Henrik Meyer, then the Meyer family from the Meyer farm.
		And she seemed a little stunned when I brought it up.
		But before I left, I took my rental car out there one night, shut the engine off by myself, and I'm looking at this.
		And it was happened to be a full moon.
		And sure enough, the headstone's glowing.
		Well, there was an old man about 10 feet from the stone.
		I don't know what he was doing out there, but he was just standing there.
		Now, most people say, well, I didn't know it just could have been someone else.
		And not at 2:30 in the morning, because I'm a night owl.
		I'm up all night.
		Anyway, it was just really freaky.
		So I got in the car and took off and told Mark about it when I called him up a few days ago.
		And he says, oh, yeah, they're very common.
		But in high school, I don't remember hearing about the old man walking around.
		So they can't explain it.
		And I guess through the years, even some students from Michigan State actually broke a small chunk off and had it studied.
		All it is is just granite and, you know, graphite or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, yes, you know, though, I've seen a lot of movies, and in all the movies, college students who take chips of glowing tombstones die in puddles of mush.
unidentified		Yeah, really.
		Hey, before you hang up, one more quick story that you'll appreciate.
		Remember you telling about the car that stops in a railroad tracks and you can see like handprints on the back of it if you put powder on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In San Antonio, Texas.
unidentified		Okay, well, that's really true.
		Right, well, check this out.
		I'm a waiter in a restaurant, and a table I had the other night went to Clarksville, Tennessee for vacation, where his uncle lives.
		And the same story, same scenario, and everything.
		And I said, oh, come on.
		He said, well, we had to spread some butter on the back of the bumper, the back of the part of the trunk, the bumper, just underneath it.
		And then they put some powder on it so the powder would actually stick.
		Well, they say the same story.
		They never heard of the San Antonio incident.
		They never even heard of your show.
		And I'm thinking they were telling me this because I said, because I got family that was raised in old Hickory, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		What did they do?
		Did they go to a railroad tracks?
Handprints On The Car 00:05:02
unidentified		Yeah, there's a railroad track.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They bought the car, and you're saying that it got pushed off and they had handprints on the car?
unidentified		Exactly.
		And the road's not at an angle.
		It was an old school bus in the 30s, and a bunch of kids were hit by a train.
		And as of today, you know, I know enough about engineering and stuff.
		Come on.
		Your car is not going to just start moving by itself.
		There's no way.
		The road's flat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
unidentified		Same San Antonio story.
		So, what is it?
		But they actually saw the handprints.
		Well, his wife was just so freaked out about it.
		It just, it bothers her today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would always bother me, and it still bothers me today.
		Why?
		Because of all those souls that you would not expect to remain on earth, there would be the children, right?
		The innocents, the really young ones.
		If their lives were taken tragically by a train hitting a school bus, there's no way my mind can grasp the concept of a God that would allow their souls to remain, you know, to push cars every now and then.
		It just doesn't add up.
		Either that or the nature of things is not as we would have it be in our world.
		You know, maybe there's nothing fair about death at all.
		I mean, has that ever occurred to you?
		Everybody thinks, well, death has got to be fair because God's fair and God's good and God wouldn't allow anything bad to happen to our souls, right?
		But maybe the truth is there's not anything.
		There's not a damn thing fair about death.
		Even the innocent children and the most innocent of adults, maybe there's nothing fair at all.
		That's something to think about.
		The dark of night, huh?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. L.
		Yes.
		Hi, I'm really glad to have you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, and before I get started, this is a good ghost story about my brother.
		I wanted to shout out to everybody on FNet there in the Art Bell channel.
		This is the source, guys.
		I had just told him my story in there, and they said, you got to call her and tell him this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you are.
unidentified		Okay, my brother died a real violent death.
		And we were at his funeral, and he'd always told us that he'd believe in asshole travel and out-of-body experience and practiced all that.
		And he told us he would find a way to tell us.
		So we're at the funeral home, and we're in a little room where there's a Coke machine and vending machines.
		And my brother Bill says, okay, Howard, if you're there, let us know.
		The lights in the room start flickering.
		The Coke machine flickers.
		It goes on about five or six minutes and stops.
		We talked to the guy who works there, and he says, that's never happened before.
		He's never had any kind of problems like that in a funeral home.
		So we were thinking, okay, that might be a coincidence.
		We're leaving after the funeral, and he had an old pickup truck at his rust bucket.
		And we had worked on this radio in it for a long time, over a year, trying to get it to work.
		And he didn't want to buy a new one for it because it's just an old work truck.
		And it never worked.
		We'd rewired it, put new speakers, try to hook them up.
		We're pulling out, as we pull out into the road from the funeral home, the radio comes on.
		It's easy top.
		It's his favorite song.
		He plays the whole song, and then the radio goes off, and he's never played since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		And yeah, that's it.
		You know, in the world of is it a sign or isn't it a sign, that is 100% sign.
unidentified		Well, it gets better.
		The light flickering thing, it started becoming more and more persistent and really consistent in my life and my family's life.
		I moved into an apartment about a month later.
		The light across the street on the street light was flickering for about a week.
		Then he moved to the light on my side.
		And a few days later, the light downstairs and then the light above my apartment went to about a week.
		And my brother called my mother one minute after midnight on her birthday, all her life.
		To this date, this is the most convincing evidence.
		Because this date, on her birthday, one minute after midnight or two minutes, her phone rings.
		When she answers it, it's a dial tone.
		And it still happens.
		We've had friends over on her birthday just to see it happen.
		Now we don't know if someone's pranking, but for the first couple of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a conscious thing, definitely.
unidentified		But the light thing is, it's to the point where my wife believes it now because we can be at the mall and it'll happen and she'll go to work.
unidentified		She says it doesn't happen when I'm not around you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guys, listen, I got to go.
unidentified		Okay, all right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		I absolutely felt this wonderful love come through me.
		And so we walked out of the graveyard.
		It was probably about 4.30, maybe 5 o'clock in the evening.
Leaning Toward Ashes 00:03:05
unidentified		And we walked into the yard and I'm still feeling all of these.
		And my husband goes to take a picture and I thought, oh, maybe they'll show up.
		So I asked St. Michael to allow them to show up and to show up in this particular photograph.
		And the odd thing is, they did, but I didn't tell my husband.
		We got the film back about a year later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't you tell him?
unidentified		I didn't, I don't share stuff like that often because, you know, I'm kind of like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even with your husband.
unidentified		Even, no.
unidentified		You know, but I did later because when we got the film back, we forgot to develop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I forgot all about it.
		So when we got the film back, there was this giant white glowing around me, and I had two St. Michael's medallions, one in each hand, because I was going to give them as gifts to people, and I put one in each pocket.
		And my hands look like they're on fire.
		And this giant form is radiating above me, and you can see a face.
		Now, I have a friend who's a graphic artist, and she went looking for faces.
		And I said, I'm not going to tell you where the faces are.
		You tell me.
		So she went looking for faces.
		And she does like layouts for magazines.
		She's an editor.
		So she's got a very detailed eye.
		And she found another face which is directly above the cross in the steeple of the mission of Santa Barbara, which looks like a little bit like, you know, the picture that you have on your web of Jesus at the Vatican.
		It looks a little bit like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was just, it was really overwhelming.
		And then I went and I showed this picture to a friend, and she said, I never believed you about your ghost until I went and visited a friend who went to Santa Barbara, and I walked to that graveyard.
		She said, I just had to get out of there.
		I was panicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Zeno, there's another aspect, thank you, of all this that bothers me.
		And that is graveyards.
		Again, I'm going to say this, and I don't know how you all want to be disposed of when your time on Earth is gone.
		But graveyards don't sound too good to me.
		I mean, in terms of where I think I would like to go when my time comes.
		I'm leaning toward the ash idea.
		This graveyard thing, I don't know.
		Don't want to think that there's any consciousness left, and if there is, that it's stuck anywhere near a graveyard, because that wouldn't be a good place to spend a lot of aftertime.
		We're going to have our, by the way, our electronic voice phenomena people on again soon.
		They record voices in graveyards.
		So you see what I mean?
		Think about your own final disposal.
		Do you really, really want to be down six for at least part of the day?
Incidents On The Same Road 00:05:14
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Oklahoma.
unidentified		Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
unidentified		Okay, I have this one for you.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		I was, this road that I'm referring to, that these two incidents happened on the same road in the same year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, what incidents?
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one is on a school night back in high school, there was, I had a grand, I had a stepmother that I had to pay my lich on her car to use her car to go somewhere.
unidentified		So that's what I was doing.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		On a school night, I went to a friend's house, supposedly, to study, and I went over and I picked up two girls.
		One was named Sue, and one was named Alexis.
		I hope they're listening tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Sue and Alexis.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		We were down this road in front of an elementary school, and we were driving, not very fast.
unidentified		It's like maybe 35, 40.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		And a man, An elderly man and his dog.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		You could see, I mean, it looked just real as real can be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did what?
unidentified		I hit him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hit them?
unidentified		I hit the ghost.
unidentified		Now, if you can imagine, I have two teenage girls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel a thump?
unidentified		There wasn't time.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		I had two hysterical teenage girls screaming at the top of their lungs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have my sympathy on that, but I mean, when you hit this whatever it was, I mean, you hit a dog and a human, right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or what was supposed to be a dog and a human.
		And so obviously, all three of you saw the same thing.
		They wouldn't be screaming otherwise.
		So what'd you do?
unidentified		There was no noise.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		I had to keep my composure and try to settle them down, and I had to try to decipher and disseminate what just happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so?
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		I was able to, and we all realized something did transpire there, and they wanted to go home, and I took them home.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		And to this day, I didn't even go home and share that with my parents or my mother or my stepmother because I had to borrow her car and I'm supposed to be out studying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where was this?
unidentified		Outside of Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Outside of Chicago.
		So if they're listening this morning, they could contact me.
		And if you contact me, I'll put you all on together and you can verify that story.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		And let me tell you, my uncle, one of my relatives on that same road, he built a nice house about four years later.
		I went to a Christmas party, and his neighbor is an elderly man.
		And at this Christmas party, for some reason, I started a conversation with this man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		And I asked him how long he lived there in the area.
		And he said forever.
		So I asked him, I said, down the road there, was there any man that ever died that had a dog?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said he knew his name.
		It was his neighbor.
		He died.
		A car hit him.
		And he died.
		And I'm at this Christmas party with my relatives.
john ronner ▲ ● ▼		And I didn't say anything because I didn't understand it.
unidentified		And over the years, I've listened to Father Martin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I still don't understand it.
		It's the scariest, most worrisome thing you can think about.
		If ever there's an innocent, it's somebody killed out walking their dog across the road, right?
		And this guy seems to be reliving, getting hit by a car or many cars again and again and again for what?
		Eternity?
unidentified		And we, the three of us, we have to live that because it's part of our life, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, sure it is.
		Well, maybe the girls will get in touch with me.
		It frequently happens.
		There's a whole lot of this that really is genuinely scary because it's just unimaginable to me that people would be sentenced to these horrible eternities.
Agony in Rancho Santa Fe 00:13:30
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West to the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Brad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In Rancho, Santa Fe, just half a mile from the Heavens Gate incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine there may be some ghosting about there.
unidentified		I'm 45 years old.
		The story I'd like to tell you took place quite some time ago back in the 70s.
		If you remember towards the end of the Beatles' career, they embraced transcendental meditation for some time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sure did.
unidentified		Well, believe it or not, when I was a junior in high school, the people that ran that cult came to our school on Career Day to a public high school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be darned.
unidentified		Under the guise, they told the people that ran the school that if we all did this meditation, that we would all get better grades.
unidentified		They actually called it the science of creative intelligence at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they thought schools were foo-foo these days.
unidentified		Well, they bought it, and my mother did it.
unidentified		Just about everybody in the school signed up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Well, what happened was after about three or four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait.
		Hold your story at that point.
		We have a break.
		So I'm just going to hold you over and we'll finish the story, all right?
unidentified		Thank you, Er.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right there.
unidentified		We were in bed messing around, and we're both kind of guarded people, but guarded as in, you know, we don't let a lot of things out.
		I pay attention to a lot of things, and I trust my senses.
		Well, in bed, we were lost in thought, or whatever you want to call it.
		I got this feeling come over me as if something was in the room with me.
		And I never felt this feeling before, but like I said, I trust my senses, and I knew something immediately was wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll take away the moment.
unidentified		Well, it did take away the moment.
		And suddenly I got a vision in my head that I've never had before.
		And it was frightening.
		What I saw was, imagine seeing a pit of hell with brimstone and fire and people in agony.
		And that flashed through my head.
		I don't know how long it took, but it flashed in my head.
		I stood up in bed, kind of bolt upright, and I got really cold all of a sudden.
		This was in the summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People in agony.
unidentified		Yes, people in agony.
unidentified		Screaming, rioting in pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many, many people in agony.
unidentified		Yes, it was just, like I said, it was just a brief flash in my mind.
unidentified		Of like, listen very carefully, like
art bell ▲ ● ▼		a little piece of that maybe.
unidentified		That brings chills to me because it was very similar to what I saw and heard and felt.
		Anyways, I kind of turned to my left and I saw something flash on the corner of my eye and that really frightened me.
		And I turned to the right and kind of swung my feet out of the bed and I saw a figure move from our bathroom into the doorway.
		And I turned, immediately looked to the doorway and saw a figure move.
		Well, that frightened me.
		I jumped out of bed.
		I stood in the doorway and I saw a figure running down the hallway.
		And at first I thought this was my wife's son.
		But like I said, I trust my senses.
		I knew something wasn't wrong or wasn't right.
		So I go to my wife and push off the bed and scream at her.
		There's somebody in the house.
		There's somebody in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do something.
unidentified		I start running down the hallway thinking that someone's trying to harm our children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And as I get almost to the hallway, across from my son's room is our bathroom.
unidentified		And I would be directly facing our daughter's room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And when I got in the hallway, a figure, a small figure, about the size of my son, about three, four feet tall, run across the doorway from the bathroom into his room.
unidentified		And of course, I ran into the room, and both of my children are sound asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the one time you might do that, run in after something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it ran into your child's room, you probably go in after it.
unidentified		That's right.
		Well, the kicker, this part is, like I said, kind of that made me believe.
		But after this happened, my wife came out and said, you know, what did you see?
		What did you see?
		And then she started getting scared.
		And she said, hold on, hold on.
		And it was like she was praying for a minute.
		She said, hold on.
		And then she calmed down and said, okay, it's gone.
		I said, what?
		It's gone.
		She says, it.
		And I said, what is it?
		And she explained to me, to a T, the person I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I, I, okay, thank you.
		I don't dismiss that.
		I don't dismiss, certainly, the fact that prayer can make whatever it is go away.
		But I don't know that that means that, you know, we always, I think we think that that means it's a race.
		You know, whatever it was is now erased, as far as we're concerned, because it's gone.
		May not mean that at all.
		That thing is still somewhere.
		I mean, you just, you didn't erase it, did you?
		Well, some of you would think so.
		Or release it would be, maybe that would be the word you'd use, release it.
		All you know is it's gone, right?
		You don't know gone to where, you know, gone.
unidentified		Nevertheless, a tactic, if it works, it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildguard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Art.
		Good morning.
		Yes, I am calling from Lorraine, Ohio, which is about 30 miles west of Cleveland, and I'm listening to WTAM.
		Yes, sir.
		Yes, I'm calling from a haunted house as we speak.
		Let me start by saying that this has been going on ever since I've been about five years old.
		We have quite a large family, four children, and my mom is raising us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like you're on a cell phone.
unidentified		Yes, I am, but can you hear me clearly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I hear you, yes.
unidentified		Okay, well, let me start by saying, first of all, that I have seen things, clouds, formations, shadows.
		People have heard voices calling their name.
		Friends have been slapped in the face in the middle of the night while they were sleeping over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your house.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, Art, I listened to your last Ghost to Ghost, and we were trying to get a hold of this psychic from WTAM that could tell us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, the one who was consulting the gentleman there, the sports reporter, I believe, who was living in a haunted house, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		Because me and my brother would like to do a documentary on my house.
		We are the only owners.
		My grandfather had built it from his hands, and it took him many years.
		Friends have seen faces.
		Friends have seen people.
		My sister has seen shadows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you realize, though, how dangerous it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this house that you're in right now there are things able to physically manifest to the point where they can slap a face, you are in significant danger.
unidentified		Well, my mother has called a parapsychologist out in Cleveland State University, and the parapsychologist has told her that, by the symptoms that we have named, that he believes it's some kind of child that likes to play games, and he told us, whatever you do, please do not tell him to go away, or it, or whatever it may be.
		Tell him to go to the light, because if you tell him to go to go away, he will just go to another household.
		Um, have you ever heard of anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was just, I was sort of laying that out, in a way, a minute ago.
		Um, you might call out a name, or a religious icon, or the name Jesus, and get something to go, but that doesn't mean that it's gone.
		It just means it's gone from where you are.
unidentified		Well yes um, I mean, these things have been going on for years.
		Um, lights flicker.
		Um I we, like I said, we have tried calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how many documentary producers have been found in pools of blood?
		Really, do you know how many?
		Do you know how many?
unidentified		No I I, I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me either but uh, probably quite a few.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what i'm saying is, careful, be really careful.
unidentified		Oh, trust me, we will be.
		Um, like I said, I am trying currently to get a hold of the psychic from WTAM because we would like to just try to bring the spirit to peace.
		I mean um, like I said, I mean you're right, if this thing can do the things that i've named, then you know what danger can can lurk.
		I mean, like I said, we're the first owners of this house um, and I don't see, you know we I, I just don't understand this, and it's quite frightening at times.
		I'll be sleeping in the middle of the night and I will feel something sit on my bed.
		Oh really um oh, I have a dog and a cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My cat notices, of course, your cat knows it's there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, i'm sorry we're out of time, but you, you'd best get out of there.
unidentified		I, I wouldn't stay in a house like that, there's no way, especially not the sitting with uh sitting on the bed with me part of my lesson,
		under the sky long.
		I Feel someone pull on the extended leg of the tripod behind me, which I figured was one of the members, Roger, just fooling around teasing me.
		I actually grabbed onto the tripod, so I gave the tripod a hard jerk to pull it away from his hand, which pulls loose, and I turned around to look at him.
		And he was there, back about 15 feet.
		There was no one else around me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		So whoever or whatever grabbed it was something invisible.
		So I came back on a subsequent investigation just shortly after that and decided this would be a good place to do some videotaping, see if I could get some infrared ghost lights there.
		Set up the camera at the top of the stairway, focusing down along the stairs.
		There was a little light, a little ambient light in the place, but not much.
		And as I'm focusing down there and watching the screen on my camera, I notice out of the corner of my eye that I see a silhouette, a shadow silhouette come up behind me, just shining on the wall off to the right of the stairway, which is a very enamel, glossy kind of wall.
		So even in the dim light, the shadow shows very well.
		Didn't think too much of it.
		I suspected really was probably, you know, Brent, I don't want the other guys coming up behind me.
		Turned around to look, and no one's there.
		No one near me at all.
		But there's the shadow, perfect silhouette of a male figure still there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that figures, I mean, after all, with what you do, by the way, I'm going to be interviewing Brendan and company, I don't know, in this week or two.
		So, yeah, that's very typical of what you're going to get involved in.
		If you go traipsing and looking, trying to look this stuff up, eventually you're going to find it.
		I mean, if you go, if you really want to find it, and there are a lot of people who write to me and say, hey, how do I find a ghost?
Freed Slaves and Haunted Houses 00:08:11
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to experience this.
		Well, fine.
		There's lots of places you can go.
		You can go hang around graveyards if you want to, if you're real serious about it.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hang around graveyards.
		Listen to stories.
		There are houses and hotels that are haunted.
		There are many places you can go if you're really serious about it.
		But think real hard before you make your decision.
		Think really hard.
		Because you might not like what you find.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Leonard in Seattle, listening to you on KOMO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Leonard.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, man.
		If I wanted to tell you.
		All right.
		This was about 88, 89 while I was in high school.
		I grew up in Alabama.
		About a good hour and a half drives outside of my hometown.
		There was this old plantation house, kind of decrepit, falling down, disrepair, way out in the middle of nowhere.
		You had to go down a dirt road for quite some time to get to it.
		Sure.
		There was kind of a story that everybody had heard surrounding this place that when the Sherman, I think it was, one of the northern generals was coming down and they were freeing slaves in a lot of the plantation houses.
		This one family was very adamant and against the idea of having their slaves freed and actually decided that they were going to, they would kill them rather than see them freed.
		Wow.
		These guys, they went back there, just started slaughtering people, had them chained up to the walls and just killing them.
		A few of the people, the slaves, managed to get themselves free, get a hold of some weapons, and started just slaughtering the family.
		I'll bet.
		In all, I think something like 50, 55 people just murdered brutally in this one little house in the area surrounding it that night and the rest of them just took off.
		So you can imagine the angry souls that would be hanging around this area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can indeed.
unidentified		So one Saturday afternoon, me and some of my buddies had had a couple of beers and we were thinking, oh, what kind of trouble can we get into?
		We thought we'd go and, hey, let's go look at that old house.
		Investigate it, see what we can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's go catch us a ghost, Bubba.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, right?
unidentified		So we get out there, and we're looking around the house.
		It's just decrepit, falling down, just in terrible disrepair.
		We go back out around to where the old slave quarters were, these little fallen down cabins and whatnot.
		We get close to this one cabin, and apparently this, from what happened, I would assume that this is the place where all the killing happened.
		We walk up to it.
		We're about to go inside.
		I put my hand on the door, and that's when the noise starts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The noise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What noise?
unidentified		Screaming, banging on the walls.
		The whole shack started shaking like an earthquake.
		Completely freaked us out.
		Obviously, we didn't go in.
		We took off running.
		Cars were about 100 yards away.
		The weird thing is, the noise didn't get farther away as we were running farther away.
		It was like the noise was right over our heads.
		We were running like crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keeping up with you.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I looked back towards the house and to the shack, and I saw big, bright, red eyes looking out this window at us.
		Oh, man, we left about three inches of tire on the road getting out of there.
		I'm surprised we didn't run into a tree and have a wreck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could have done that ghost or not, but that's as scared as I've ever been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I take it you didn't go back.
unidentified		Oh, no, we never went back into that area ever again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But well, I guess even these days, after a few beers, that'll slow you up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just don't suggest that kind of thing anymore.
unidentified		Oh, well, you know, we were pretty darn sober right at the time that house started shaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that amazing how the chemical balance of your body can change just like that?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Almost immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the story, sir.
		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you this morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My name's Jim.
unidentified		I'm calling from Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jim.
unidentified		And I'm listening to you on the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the sky?
unidentified		WSKY at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Gainesville, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		Golly, where to start?
		I wrote you a while ago, emailed you, but you were inundated with shadow people emails, so I'm sure you didn't get to get to mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thousands of them.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		I listened to the show last night, and it was absolutely fascinating.
		And I just want to take just a second to tell you how much my wife and I absolutely love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Huge fans.
		Thank you.
		Where to start?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The beginning.
unidentified		Yes.
		Around 1979, I got involved in a haunted house project.
		When I say haunted house project, I'm talking a theatrical event that would happen every year in my hometown up in Vermont.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean they put on a play about a haunted house or something?
unidentified		No, we found an old building and we put on a haunted house.
unidentified		Oh, we didn't realize the building was already occupied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually haunted.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Well, the whole thing was started by the local JCs, and they were just doing it as a fundraiser, and I got yanked in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC's are usually pretty nice.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Great bunch of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean the function, not the haunted?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		A great bunch of people were, you know, getting involved, raised a little money for the community, and they pulled me in because they knew I was a makeup artist.
		And of course, when you're doing a scary haunted house, you want someone who can do the blood and the gore and all the fun stuff like that.
		So I got pulled in.
		So I went to a meeting at this building, and I pull up in front of this thing, and it looked like the Adams family lived there.
		It was an old abandoned school building.
		Well, not entirely abandoned.
		Some of the offices were still being used, but it had been built around the turn of the century, very Victorian.
		Two-story redstone kind of building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, we've got this mentally pictured.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, we'll do it after the break, all right?
unidentified		Okay, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right there.
unidentified		Baby, you're no good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sam, thank you very much.
		Listen, when you think about it, what better place for hauntings to occur than the yearly haunted house in town?
		You know, a lot of civic organizations do it for Halloween, right?
		They all build a haunted house.
		It goes on in almost every town across America.
		What better place, particularly over many years, to actually, you know, have the real thing present?
		The real McCoy.
		Because you'd never be able to separate them.
		And nobody'd ever believe a word you say, and people can't hear you scream in space.
Ghostly Guardian 00:03:54
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Western the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Marie, and so can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Marie.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Well, my story is about a ghost that my husband and I have seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both of you?
unidentified		We've both seen it.
		The first time I saw it was when I had a daughter.
		She was just a few months old.
		And my bedroom was across the hall from hers.
		And I was sitting in there one night and I looked through my open door into her open door.
		And in the doorway is this woman dressed in white from top to bottom.
		And she's kind of glowing, and she's just standing there looking at me.
		And I kind of looked away and looked back and she was gone.
		And I'd seen her a few times after that.
		And I didn't know what it was.
		But one night I was talking to my husband and I kind of hesitantly said that I had seen this.
		And he says, oh, yeah, you know, I've seen her too.
		And it was just really odd.
		And we started calling her the white woman.
		She was dressed in white from head to toe.
		She kind of looked like it was maybe an old-style nurse uniform.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And when we'd see her, she'd just be standing there.
		I wouldn't feel like there was anything wrong going on.
		It was like she was protecting the baby.
		And even when we'd moved, and we'd moved when the baby was about a year old, she moved away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She moved with you.
unidentified		She moved with us, and she would kind of stand guard over the baby like a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, that's really, really interesting.
unidentified		Yes.
		Isn't that weird?
		And she, it was like, you know, she was like some stern librarian, you know.
		She didn't have this smile.
		She just would just stand there like she was standing guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
unidentified		And, you know, after, and now my baby's almost five, and we haven't seen this woman in a few years.
		But This is my youngest daughter.
		The same daughter, she used to look around and watch things.
		Kind of like you're saying you have that picture on the web of the baby sitting in the swing.
		Did you see that?
		I haven't seen it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to look when I was.
		You understand, though, what I'm saying.
		That baby is obviously, obviously, you can see it in the baby's soul.
		It's seeing what we're seeing on film.
		Yeah, it's really freaky.
unidentified		We had similar type things with our daughter.
unidentified		I don't have, I, you know, I never really looked through pictures of her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's obvious what she was seeing, isn't it?
unidentified		She was seeing something.
		And when she was about two, we'd watch the movie Fairy Tale.
		We have an older daughter, and we watched it, and she saw the fairies.
		And after she saw that movie, when she'd look up and look around and watch things moving around, she'd say, fairies, fairies.
		And she'd point at the fairies.
		And she was sure she could see fairies.
		And we'd just say, oh, neat, neat.
		And she just, it kind of, it was just very unusual.
		Yeah, children are very easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you do yourself a favor, and you go look at that photograph.
unidentified		I will.
unidentified		I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On page number two of the ghost photos, all right?
unidentified		All righty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Yes, indeed.
		There's no mistake about what that child is seeing.
		Children's expressions are easy to read.
		And that one's really easy to read.
		And it's really easy to see that that child sees what the camera has captured.
Daniel's Emotional Return 00:05:49
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Right now, actually, I'm in holidays in Western Canada.
		Okay.
		I'm skiing and bounce.
		But I'm a twin.
		My parents died when my brother and I were very young.
		We were raised by a grandfather.
		We both were in Vietnam, and my brother was killed.
		That was our understanding.
		When I was home, and about two years later, my grandfather dies.
		He and I were living alone in his house.
		The night that he dies, I'm sitting on the end of my bed, sort of contemplating life, feeling a little bit sorry for myself.
		And I feel someone sit down next to me and put his arm around my shoulder, and it's my grandfather, and he says, Daniel's alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel's alive.
unidentified		And Daniel's my brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you, yes.
unidentified		And I, I mean, I just froze.
		I didn't know what to think.
		And I sort of, the next day, I had convinced myself that, you know, I'm convincing myself that this is happening.
		And I tried to blow it off.
		That night, I was sitting in my grandfather's den on the couch.
		And I get a feeling, and I look over.
		I was just eating by myself, and I look over the door.
		My grandfather's there, and he says, Daniel's alive, and he's trapped.
		And you got to go get him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's trapped.
unidentified		He's trapped.
		And so this was not too far, not too long after I'd come home.
		And I did make some trips back.
		And I was assuming that I thought he was at POW somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what it sounded like, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, and so I'd made a couple trips.
unidentified		I didn't really tell people what I was doing because I didn't want to get locked up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clear thinking.
		So anyway, we don't have a lot of time.
		So what happened?
unidentified		Okay, so then about a year and a half later, I'm down there again, and I've decided that, you know, I'm not, this isn't happening.
unidentified		And.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you're back in Vietnam?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		And that morning, the phone rings in my room.
		I pick it up.
		It's my grandfather on the phone, and he says, he's here.
		He's alive.
		Anyway, there's a tour on time.
		He was in a Greek Orthodox mission hospital.
		He was alive.
		He wasn't shot.
		He'd have been in an accident of some sort.
		And he was in a semi-vegetated state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in other words, he was in a coma.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your brother was alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You found him in Vietnam, and he was in a coma.
unidentified		And we bring him home.
		After we get him out of the hospital at home, he was still, he never completely recovered, but I cared for him at home.
		The day we got home and we're getting Daniel up into his room.
		There was a sorry, I'm getting emotional just thinking about this.
		There was a mug that Daniel made for my grandfather when we were in grade six or something.
		And it was sitting on Daniel's nightstand, and it was full of hot grape Kool-Aid.
		And the significance of that was that Daniel and I would drink hot.
		We loved it.
		And we used to pretend that we were drinking coffee like I know exactly what you're talking about.
		And yeah, so a couple of years later, five years ago, Daniel died.
		And I was going to sell the house.
		I had listed it for sale.
		And I got a call from the realtor lady.
		She was a basket case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I only got a few seconds.
unidentified		Okay, and she went around the house.
		She couldn't open a single door in the house.
		They were all sealed shut.
		And she said that my brother had told her that the house wasn't for sale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll just let that one stand right where it is.
Woman's Stare in Red Light 00:10:58
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the clear implication is that somebody on the other side, if it's urgent enough, important enough, can come through in any way it must, telephone, electronically, or in person.
		So I guess it is possible, if it's really urgent.
		...the audio, you know, the streaming audio.
		But apparently you're not having a problem.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		No, it takes about, well, a few more seconds for it to click in, and then it's on, just like a radio.
unidentified		Cool.
unidentified		I mean, perfectly.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		I want to throw something at you real quick before I get into my story.
unidentified		what is it about you and your red eyes uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		if i have a good story for you Yeah, I don't really actually want to talk about it.
unidentified		Okay, well, maybe you don't want to hear much of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'll listen to your story.
		You go right ahead.
		Let's hear it.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, it kind of kicked off when you had Gunny on last night.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure you've probably seen and you've heard people mention the movie already.
unidentified		Amyville?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		All right, remember the scene about the red eyes through the window?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Now that whole darn movie, that's the only thing that scared the you-know-what out of me.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		And anyhow, during my school years going to college, I always thought there was a presence in my room and this kind of thing.
unidentified		And people say, well, you're just dreaming.
unidentified		Well, okay.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		But why is it when I wake up, it's always right at 3.15 in the morning.
unidentified		You know, just like in the movie.
unidentified		And I thought, nah, it's no big deal.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, this went on and on.
		And like every other night, I'd always wake up right on the dot.
		And I had one of those illuminated clocks, 3.15 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Several years later, while I'm married, well, I had the red eyes show up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, see, you know, I was about to say, waking up at 3.15 or a given time every day is not all that unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people do that.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not the red eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did they show up?
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, in this case, and I mentioned Gunny because, I mean, not to go backwards here, but yeah, pictures 17 and 18, I've seen those big time.
		But anyhow, he was mentioning how sometimes things will come to you in a dream state, or at least you're real relaxed or whatnot.
		But I was laying in my bed, and all of a sudden it's like, wham, I'm being chased.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In bed?
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm in a tunnel with slimy walls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right, so you're suddenly out of your body.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Right, and all I see is these red eyes coming at me.
unidentified		And I'm running like, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'll keep you going.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, I woke up screaming and yelling.
unidentified		My wife thought somebody was in the house.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		She just, even the hair on the back of my neck was standing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is usually called a nightmare.
unidentified		I know.
		It's supposed to be a ghost story.
		Guess what?
		Look at the clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		3.15.
unidentified		3.15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could have guessed.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		And, oh, maybe a month or two later, not the running or the chasing, but I'm laying in my bed.
		And yes, most people say, oh, you just fell asleep.
		Well, I'm staring at my door, and excuse me, my closet door.
		Like you were saying, you don't like your open door closets?
unidentified		Right.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if I was hallucinating.
george carlin ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't drunk, wasn't doing drugs, but I'm going to sleep, I thought.
unidentified		And boom, there's the ice, just like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the closet?
unidentified		Coming out of the closet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming out of the closet?
unidentified		No silhouette, just the red eyes coming out of the closet.
unidentified		Just the darn eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm done with you, sir.
		I don't want to hear any more of that.
		Red eyes coming out of a closet.
		Sorry, that's it.
		That's where I draw the line.
		I don't want to hear anymore.
		That is, of all the nightmares that could be, that's the worst.
		That's something that I that's just enough.
		West to the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		I guess it's me.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was all right.
unidentified		I have a ghost experience that changed my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they usually do go.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
unidentified		I took a job as a custodian at a research center in the country.
		And my first night, this guy had a DUI, so he couldn't drive.
		He wanted me to take him home.
		And I said, yeah, I would.
		And we wound up coming home this back way.
		And he said that he didn't want me to go down this certain street, you know, for fear of ghosts or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I went down there anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although that's pretty unusual.
		I mean, if somebody isn't going to get out on the street, I mean, you're on your way somewhere, and it's not usual to give anybody that reason.
		We're not going to go there because there might be ghosts.
		Come on.
unidentified		Yeah, this is true.
		Well, I come up at the stop sign.
		And at the other stop sign on this street, there's an intersection.
		And there's a car at the stop sign, too.
		It's a black car.
		Yes.
		And it didn't signal.
		Then it put on its signal abruptly.
		And I was at the stoplight.
		And for some reason, I didn't go.
		I was supposed to go.
		Then it was supposed to turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I got goosebumps.
		I started shivering.
		And my friend is just talking to me.
		He's holding a conversation because we just met each other.
		And I can't go.
		I'm stuck at the wheel and I'm just looking at this car.
		And then finally, for some reason, I started inching out.
		And the car started inching out too.
		And I was just trembling.
		And he was talking to me.
		And I looked.
		And in this black car is this woman with this grotesque, wrinkled face just staring at me.
		Old woman.
		I mean, it just looked dead.
		And I looked at my friend and I go, what an ugly woman.
		And he goes, what are you talking about?
		I go, don't you see that car right there?
		And he goes, I don't see anything.
		What are you talking about?
		And I just kept going.
		I go, do you see me trembling?
		And he goes, no, I don't see anything.
		Okay, well, this is the first night.
		The second night, I decided to go down there to try this again.
		We go on the same road, same night.
		It's about three in the morning, something like that.
		We're driving down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you wait a minute?
		Why would you possibly go back to the same place again after something that terrifying?
		Why would you go back?
unidentified		I think it's because he told me he didn't see anything, and maybe I thought I was delusional.
		I don't know.
		But I decided to try it again.
		I think I should be a ghost hunter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		But anyway, the second night, same night, same road, same everything, almost the same spot.
		We're driving down and there's this house on the corner.
		And we're driving and we're coming up to this same stoplight.
		And I start to slow down and I look.
		For some reason, I look over at this house and I look up and it's a two-story house.
		And in the second story, there's this room with a red light on.
		And it looks like it's radiating out the window.
		Almost like, have you ever developed film?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
unidentified		They use the red light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		See?
		That light is coming out.
		And I just stopped and I was like, for some reason, it intrigued me.
		And I told my friend again, and he saw the light this time.
		I go, do you see that light?
		And he's like, yeah, that's kind of unusual for them to be developing film at three in the morning, huh?
		And he was like, yeah, I guess.
		And we look, and we're looking and staring, and then I see that woman's face in the window staring back at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same woman.
unidentified		The same face.
		Then I told my friend, okay, I'm not delusional.
		Do you see that?
		And he's like, no, I don't.
		So we get out of the car, we go to the house, we knock on the door to make sure that I'm not crazy.
		And this old gentleman enters the door.
		I mean, we wake him up at 3 in the morning.
		Of course, he's mad, upset.
		Yeah, pretty much.
		And, you know, I told him, I said, hey, we saw this red light coming out of your second story house.
		We just wanted to make sure everything was okay.
		We didn't want to think we're crazy.
		And he's like, what are you talking about?
		And we said, upstairs, is there someone here?
		He goes, no, I live alone.
		Do you have a dark room or something?
		Well, no, I don't have a dark room.
		I go, what's upstairs?
		He's like, nothing, really.
		Just some old keepsakes or something, whatever.
		And we told him that there was a light on upstairs or this or that.
		Well, he went upstairs.
		And he said, well, nothing's on or this or that.
		So we said, okay.
		Well, as we're walking back to the car, we look into the orchard, which is behind his house, and there's a light on in the orchard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		And I go, let's go check it out.
		So we go walking over to this light and we keep getting farther and farther into the orchard.
		And then finally, we come across this light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You only got a few seconds.
unidentified		Okay, and so my friend goes, hey, there's a note.
		So he picks it up and he puts it in his pocket.
		And just as he looked up, he goes, I hear something.
		Do you?
		And then I said, no.
		So we got back in the car.
		Real quick.
		And we're taking off down the street.
		And I almost hit that woman with the face.
		And when I got home, we pulled out the note and it said, nice to meet you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The young and the stupid.
unidentified		Someone can use you.
		We all start laughing hysterically, and all of a sudden there's not three of us laughing.
		There's four people laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah, and we look in this guy.
unidentified		He's dressed just kind of like us, you know, hiking boots, blue jeans, a downfill jacket, but his eyes look like the eyes of an animal caught in somebody's headlights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And so my buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the look.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		My buddy Paul goes, who the are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the guy continues to laugh, gets up, turns around, and walks about three steps away and just basically disappears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And being young, teenage bravado, right?
		We're thinking somebody's trying to pull a little trick on us.
		So we all jump up and we're going to go find this guy.
		Well, it's too dark to walk in the secluded area without flashlights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can take the somebody's flowing around with us part of this, except for the fact that you just said he disappeared before your eyes.
unidentified		That's what we thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're three of you, three of you now.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that doesn't smack of a high school prank.
unidentified		No, it doesn't.
unidentified		And that's what happened was, after a few minutes, we kind of came back to the fire, and the longer we sat there, the scareder we got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And pretty soon it was, we think we better move our camp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And so we did.
		We actually got up that night and moved closer to where we knew there were some other people because the longer we sat there, the more freaked out we were.
		But I just wanted to throw that in because none of us said, you know, in the name of Jesus, go away.
		It was basically, who the f are you?
		And whoever he was turned around and walked away.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you spoke the language you knew.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
unidentified		Maybe a drowned camper would understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
		Oh, progressively going downhill here lately.
		I'm hanging in there.
		How are you doing?
unidentified		Well, actually, what I'm about to tell you actually goes back about 10 or 15 years when I was in the canal zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hannah Canal, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And my sister and I, she lived in Gamboa.
		She had a Ouija board.
		And yeah, this is going to get strange.
		But we kind of got the plan around.
		It was the first and the last time I ever played with one of those things.
		And we contacted a spirit, if you will, and asked where it was from.
		And it spelt out Calibra, which is the town of Calibra during the construction days.
		And my sister asked it if it could make a present.
		And it said yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you're doing all this on a Ouija board and you're getting that much information back, and it's beginning to be contemporary, a town, you know, at this point, how are you accounting for what you're doing?
unidentified		Well, I'm really not sure, man.
		This is the first, this was, like I said, the first and last time we ever played with anything like this.
		Okay.
		Anyway, she asked if it would make if it could make a presence.
		And it said yes.
		And it spelt out clock, D-L-O-C-K.
		And then it went to buy.
		Spelled it out on the spelled out clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the Ouija board.
unidentified		Literally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then?
unidentified		Went to buy.
		It left.
		My sister had about six cats at the time, and about three minutes after it went by, the cats were running wild in the house, and just, I mean, one of them went behind the refrigerator.
		Yep.
		And she had a clock that was made out of some exotic wood cut out of Panama, of the shape of Panama.
		And the clock we had noticed had turned at a 45-degree angle.
		Now, after that incident, we never, ever, ever brought out that Ouija board again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you're lucky that what obviously decided to interact with you didn't decide to stay and or cross over.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		Well, it's just kind of funny.
		You know, we're talking about Construction Day era, and it just kind of freaked us out a little bit because, I mean, you don't just see clocks like turning on the walls and things like that.
		And we didn't physically see it turn.
		We just happened to notice later on within about five or ten minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, sure.
		It's pretty specific.
		If it says clock and then the clock has physically turned, that'd be more than enough for me, especially after all that spelling.
unidentified		Well, it scared the hell out of me, dude.
unidentified		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Denise from Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Iowa, yes.
unidentified		And when I was 17, I was in my bed sleeping, and I woke up, and I saw a spirit looking down on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of spirit?
unidentified		Well, he had, well, this is, I'll describe him for you.
		He had a black hat on, his blonde hair white, and he had a red shirt and black jeans on.
		And I could see through him, but not.
		I could totally see him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he actually hovering above you, standing in front of you, sitting?
unidentified		He was standing over me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over you.
unidentified		Yeah, he was looking, just looked down toward, you know, just put your head down, look, you know, and then he walked through my window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Walked through your window.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As in leaving?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And then I jumped up and I looked out in my window, and nobody was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people would find it amazing that you would jump up and look out your window.
unidentified		I just, he looked so real to me, so I just, it's like, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I just can't believe in modern day, when we all know that if you go up to a door or a window where something like that has happened, a hand is going to grab you and drag you through the glass until there's nothing left of you but a shred when you go up to the window like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I just can't believe in this modern day you would actually go up to the window.
unidentified		Well, my bed was right next to the window.
unidentified		So I just looked over at my window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your story.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this happened about summer of 97.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to have to be a real fast one because our program is ending.
unidentified		Okay, I lived in the town of all towns in Perromp about that time.
		Peromp.
		Yeah, there you go.
		Yeah.
		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's end it this way.
unidentified		All right.
		And I was living with a girlfriend of mine at the time, and this one house is a single eyed with attachments made on it and everything.
		And every once in a while, her four-year-old daughter at the time would come up and say there's a man in my closet.
		I'd go back there and look, nothing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Closet.
unidentified		And then every time, I'd hear voices standing by the front door, or somebody'd hear voices standing up in the back room.
		And we go outside, nothing.
		Dark, can't see the day.
		Get a flashlight, don't see nothing.
		I'd call her on the phone when I was out on the road, and she'd say, hold on a minute, somebody's in the bathroom.
		Then she'd say, I just heard a toilet flush.
		I'm the only one in the house.
		Because her kids would be over at her mom's at the time or something.
		Or the weird things like that would happen all the time.
		And we parked one night about a block away from the house, and we just watched the house, and we just saw shadows moving inside the house.
		You see the lights from the next-door neighbor shining through the windows, and you just see shadows roaming back and forth across the house.
		And it was like, needless to say, we didn't stay there very long.
		We ended up moving through another house across town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, let me tell you something.
		There are haunted houses.
		I really haven't said this before, but there are haunted houses here in Pahrump, Nevada.
		In fact, there are references to them on the World Wide Web.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right here, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't it figure right in my own little town?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why not?
		It seems to happen everywhere else, so it might as well be here in my own hometown.
		And here you are, my final caller with a haunting in Pahrump.
unidentified		Yeah, and well, that's the only one I knew about.
unidentified		I lived there for about six years, and that's the only one I knew about happening in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're obviously out on the road now, right?
unidentified		Well, well, I moved back to Nebraska.
unidentified		I just got off the truck, and I'm headed home now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're really on the last leg of your trip.
unidentified		Right, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does it feel to be back in a little car after being in the truck all that time?
unidentified		Oh, kind of different.
		Well, I've been doing it for so long.
		I used to have a mail jeep back there in Nevada, and going from a big vehicle to a small one with steering wheel on the wrong side was all kinds of fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, my friend.
unidentified		Good night to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that'll do it for the week, for the night, and maybe for this lifetime.

Chapters

00:00:01 Need to Believe
00:14:55 Entity in the Window
00:24:12 Air Force Encounter
00:33:20 Police Visit At Midnight
00:39:12 Basement Secrets Revealed
00:54:18 Nighttime Dives and Haunted Pools
01:08:28 Glowing Tombstone Mystery
01:12:49 Handprints On The Car
01:17:36 Leaning Toward Ashes
01:20:27 Incidents On The Same Road
01:25:27 Agony in Rancho Santa Fe
01:38:42 Freed Slaves and Haunted Houses
01:46:39 Ghostly Guardian
01:50:19 Daniel's Emotional Return
01:55:53 Woman's Stare in Red Light
02:06:37 The Last Ouija Board Experience