Art Bell explores the 1973 Bigfoot encounter by "Bugs," who claims shooting two 7-foot-tall, 350-pound creatures with a .44 Magnum and burying them to avoid legal trouble. Hunters debate specifics—like bullet weights (280 grains vs. 75) and lack of stench descriptions—while Bell remains open, citing potential genetic proof via exhumation. He’ll contact Oregon’s Bigfoot Project for verification, balancing skepticism with the story’s plausibility against other unresolved mysteries like EFOs. The episode underscores how personal guilt and delayed revelations (e.g., 23-year silence) often drive truth-seeking in fringe phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the Great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across all these time zones.
Just flashing across from the Hawaiian and T'Asian Islands in the west, east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the pole, worldwide on the Internet, and soon shortwave.
This is coast to coast a.m.
If you go just about anywhere you want to go tonight.
Ebola subject last night.
Officials in southern Texas New Hampshire held a quickly assembled news conference at about 8.30 a.m. Pacific Time to tell all of us there's nothing to fear from the Ebola outbreak in the quarantine facility there.
Now, after that, we're not 100% sure and we're watching very carefully.
Eight of 35 workers who were exposed, they found three more infected monkeys today and they're now saying they may have to kill all of them.
And they're considering a new law that would ban imports of any monkeys from the Philippines.
So they got out front on this one quickly and said, no sweat, this is not the human form this time.
Now there are two things to consider about this.
One, that they are correct in all likelihood, and it is not the human form.
But it keeps coming back again and again and again.
And one of these days it is going to be, as you may have seen in that 60 minutes piece, he said, there was just this little tiny difference in the DNA molecule or in this virus, one little tiny difference that made human beings not be affected by it.
And the other, of course, is whether you believe them.
In other words, under any circumstances, they would try to control it.
And I think under no circumstances would they tell us.
I know that's cynical, sounds cynical, but I just don't believe they would tell us.
And most of the audience last night seemed to agree with that.
So hopefully it is an accurate statement.
Hopefully.
And hopefully we're being told the truth.
I don't know.
I guess I'm getting cynical, huh?
Ted Kaczynski's cabin in Montana, according to the FBI, is a small cabin, but just packed with evidence.
Try 600 pieces of evidence.
Things that the FBI sources tell NBC and others.
Tie Mr. Kuzinski to the 18 years of death and terror known as the Unabomber.
The press is, I'm rather astounded at the way a lot of the press has been covering this.
I saw a talk show, I think it was on CNN, one of the talkbacks or something, asking is Ted Kaczynski a Robin Hood?
Can you see any aspect of this, what he did over all these years, that you would describe as heroic?
Why is the American public so fascinated by this case?
I mean, there has been program after program after program.
The only defense mustered up so far, I saw Jerry Spence again going at it, for Mr. Kaczynski would seem to be what Jerry Spence argues is a lethal legal blitz.
In other words, an intentional campaign to leak evidence to the press against Kaczynski, to indict him in affecting the press.
That, of course, has been occurring, and there have been a lot of leaks.
So it's kind of strange.
From a fellow named Mike, my name is Mike, and I'll eliminate the last name.
And I listen to your show on 960 KZIM in Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
That's Russia's home.
My idea is doing a show about people's greatest fears.
You could have the standard open line, but one of the topics could be people's fears.
I'd love to hear of some of the fears people have and see if I could draw any parallels to my own.
In other words, for me, a fear of spiders.
Anybody have a particular fear, your greatest fear?
What is your greatest fear?
A dear art, on last night's show, that wonderful lady from Alberta, Canada almost reduced me to tears.
Never have I heard a more beautiful word picture of the American patriot.
Her language, her tones, her assessment of the typical American's attitude toward his or her country absolutely were correct.
But she was dead wrong in her appraisal of the Canadian Patriot.
During World War II, I served in the finest military organization in the world, the Royal Canadian Air Force.
As an American in the RCAF, I can attest to Canadian courage and love of country.
They may not be as vocal about it, or that would be a boot, but their record in World War I, oh, well, listen, you don't even have to go into this.
I'll skip the rest of it.
There's no question about the courage displayed by Canadians.
I think it was more a discussion of temperament, the differences in temperament between Canadians and Americans.
Americans are simply more vocally passionate about everything.
Frankly, we love to fight.
By the way, we need to begin talking about this a little bit.
April 19th, three years ago, Waco, one year ago, Oklahoma City.
April 19th, folks, is Friday.
The government installing metal detectors, more security, cameras, bomb detection at all kinds of federal buildings, and I've got a tip for anybody.
If you're planning a trip, Friday would be a good day not to visit a federal building.
It's just common sense.
Friday would be a good day not to go and go down to the Social Security counter or unemployment or go report something to the FBI or whatever.
How many of you expect a spot of trouble on the 19th?
Just ask you straight out.
Terrorists, like so many others, observe anniversaries, and this is one that seems to suddenly be observed.
I imagine something will occur.
I'm not sure what it is.
I have no way of knowing.
Hope it doesn't, but I think, frankly, I do expect something.
An attempt is going to be made, you might want to make note of this, to launch a Delta II launch vehicle on Friday, as right, April 19th, at 5.27 in the morning Pacific time.
So if you're on the West Coast, don't miss this.
The payload will be a Ballistic Missile Defense Organization's MSX satellite, whatever that is.
If this launch occurs on time and the weather is clear, this ought to be a spectacular sight.
The sky will be dark, but the missile will be illuminated by sunlight when it gets to the upper atmosphere.
The missile will be launched on a north-south trajectory.
So if you have an opportunity, that really should be something at that particular time of the morning.
And I'm sure without that information, we would have a rash of UFO sightings on Friday.
Now, sticking for a moment with space, did anybody see it?
New images from space, courtesy of the Hubble.
And they are of something called the Helix Nebula from the constellation Aquarius.
And they are amazing.
Amazing.
Thousands of knots of gas, kind of knobules of gas, racing away from what appears to be a dead and dying star like comets.
All of these they almost look like, from, of course, this distance, they look like sperm.
They literally look like sperm, tadpoles.
But what are they really?
We don't know.
They look like comets, or if you can imagine that, sort of a fiery tadpole.
But to give you some concept of the scale of these thousands of little space sperm, for lack of a better word, phrase, each one of these is at least twice the size of our entire solar system.
Now, I want you to think about that a little bit.
Each one, twice the size of our entire solar system.
And when you look at things on this scale, you've really got to wonder how creation could be limited to this little globe, this little tiny speck in the larger scheme of things.
And we are that, aren't we?
Just a tiny speck.
One of these little space sperms, sorry, that's how I think of them when I look at them, is twice the size of our entire solar system.
And when you begin to imagine things and know the scale, it's just impossible to me that the process of creation would be limited to this planet.
I know that collides with a lot of belief systems out there, but that's my thought or my thinking when I see something like that.
Now, completely turning the corner, somebody sent me this, and I think you'll enjoy it.
Birthday gift from gang in office resume preparation kit five.
Elevator guy says, yeah, sure.
When you say, see you tomorrow.
Office picture of wife and family replaced by Brady Bunch publicity still three.
You're no longer allowed to join in reindeer games.
two.
You work for Apple.
And one, the number one reason you know you're about to get fired.
Your boss is standing over you right now saying, go ahead, smart guy, finish that top ten list.
I wonder if that's how he wound it up.
There is an interesting court-martial going on.
And I've got news here reported by the Honolulu Star, but it ran on NBC and a lot of others have run it as well.
It involves two Marines who are refusing to yield up DNA samples.
Now, all of the military services are requiring people to give DNA, ostensibly to be able to identify their remains.
It is the modern-day dog tag.
Right now, we can diagnose certain illnesses, Alzheimer's and such, by DNA.
Soon, heart trouble, cancer, all kinds of things will be able to be forecast just by looking at your DNA.
Soon, they say, or eventually, they will be able to tell if you're likely to be an aggressive or violent person.
They're going to be able to tell a very great deal about you.
Now, maybe they won't, maybe they won't look into these things, but you and I both know they will.
So a couple of GIs have refused to give DNA.
They say they don't know who those records ultimately will be shared with.
The implications are gigantic.
In other words, insurance companies.
Who's going to insure you if some little hunk of DNA says you're going to get cancer?
The answer is obvious.
And these things have already begun to occur.
One lady could not get insured, I think, because of a genetic tendency toward Hodgkin's disease.
Now, the GIs are being court-martialed for refusing to obey a lawful order.
And I imagine they're probably going to swing on that one.
I mean, you get ordered to do something in the military, you had better do it.
But for us out here, the larger question, would you give up a sample of your DNA to go into somebody's master file?
I mean, who knows what they'll be able to tell eventually from that DNA?
If they found a tendency to violence, then obviously they are going to keep a master computer file of those with that genetic propensity.
In other words, your name could end up on somebody's Better Watch Em Carefully list.
And these are pretty tense times, aren't they?
So how do you feel about the coming DNA revolution?
I'm curious.
So there you go.
Listen, anything you want to talk about, as an update, the fellow with the Bigfoot facts has not yet come back to me.
There is, of course, a great probability that he only listens on Sunday, so we'll try then.
We'll see.
In the meantime, the fellow who sent me the facts about Bigfoot, if you're out there, get back to me, and we will proceed.
Otherwise, I will presume, if not hearing from him tonight, that he only gets to listen on Sunday, and we will do it then and see what happens.
All right.
Having said all that, we'll be right back.
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Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
Here are the unfortunate choices.
We attack Iran and any other country that we think could be a problem for us today and in the future, or we try to work out friendly, peaceful solutions with everybody.
And I'm trapped now because if we go the military route, we are committed to doing it forever.
On the other hand, can we truly create a peaceful planet?
I don't know anymore.
Now we take you back to the night of April 16th, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Or have you heard, if you ever get a chance, the very last track, it's called River's Paradise.
It's a terrific instrumental.
Okay.
And I wanted to ask you something about a call he had a couple of weeks ago.
I don't know where he was from, but this guy called and he said that he was an electrical engineer of some kind and he developed this saucer-sized object.
Open lines, unscreen, unpredictable, spontaneous, sometimes very weird.
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That's amazing.
And for Mike, who asked me my greatest fear, I don't mind telling you.
It's always been of the earth opening up.
I've had nightmares about that.
You know, earthquake time.
A big hole opens in the ground and swallows me up.
I've had nightmares about that.
That probably is my biggest fear.
And if things began to rumble seriously and I saw a crack open in the ground, boy, I'd be gone.
We're just inquiring today, thank you for answering the call, about whether your inclination is to vote for President Clinton or the parent nominee for the Republican Party, Bob Dole.
If they can determine, for example, a predisposition to aggressive tendencies in violence, out here in the civilian world, that would be considered a negative.
But in the military, why, you might find people with a predisposition to being violent would be promoted faster than others.
Well, I'm going to get hold of him soon, but Gordon Michael Scallion has made a prediction that Phobos, the moon of Mars, one of the moons of Mars, will break from its orbit, which is in fact fairly tenuously tied to Mars, and head toward Earth's atmosphere.
That would not be good.
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No, you ever read any of literature on Nostradamus?
Maybe they will be again issued a lawful order to do so, and they'll face a more serious penalty if they don't obey the second time.
I can't imagine the military would just drop it, and I would imagine ultimately that if they don't yield up the sample requested, that they will simply be for the convenience of the military, given their walking papers.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
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Good morning, Mr. Billy.
Got the word answer for tonight 2 out here in Portland, Oregon.
And so I figure, not that I've ever spotlighted deer, but I have night hunted, that he probably, let me turn that down a second, sorry about that, that he probably is kidding because once they have open sights on the rifle and not a scope, it's going to be pretty hard to pick something out.
And then the next day when he was saying he went into a plum thicket, it was like 50 yards, I believe, you said he said.
And if it's going to be real thick for it, he's going to crawl on his belly.
His buddies out in the open from 50 yards, they're not going to be able to have that clear of a shot to shoot the other female in the head, I believe.
I really do understand why this person would feel that way.
And it's one of the aspects that made me lean toward believing the facts was that he would have a natural fear of being charged with murder.
The only part of it that doesn't make any sense to me is if this was a biped creature walking on two feet at 100 yards in bad lighting, why would you shoot at anything on two feet?
How would you see enough of it to be sure that you were not shooting a human being?
And if it was on two feet, I would think the automatic assumption at that distance would be that it might be a human being.
And so you would certainly err on the side of caution and not take your shot.
All right, let me take you back before this, if I can.
The only part, and you may have heard me or your wife may have heard me mention this, that I had a hard time with, was that the first shots that were taken apparently were taken at night from about 100 yards.
Back in 1973, we did this basically professionally because we were hunting coats, bobcats, coons, that sort of thing, because they were bringing a lot of money.
All right, I take it the thicket was low enough so that when this creature stood up all the way, it was standing high enough so they could get a shot at it.
I tell you, the best way to describe the way they look from the back side, you've seen weightlifters where they don't have no neck and it just goes all up into muscles.
Well, I'm not an attorney, but from what you've told me, you didn't commit murder.
I mean, you were hunting.
And clearly, I think if your description is even close to accurate, you did not kill what we think of as human beings.
Let me ask you to stay put for just a minute.
I've got commercial things I must do.
And so without identifying the person other than to say this is Bugs, we'll be back in just one month.
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Now we take you back to the night of April 16th, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well, if you were out in the woods and you saw something down on its haunches and it was gigantic and hairy, I guess based on that much, I mean, that's not a human being, in your estimation.
So, you know, I don't know what to think here, and I'm not sure how to proceed, but it sounds to me like they may have shot two Bigfoot.
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Well, that's the impression I got.
I guess I just don't see this being very responsible sportsmen out there shooting at something that you don't haven't identified.
It didn't sound like it was being a threat to them at the time.
Yeah, but sir, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
A lot of sportsmen take down game that is not a threat to them.
That's what they're shooting at.
Yeah, well, all of that aside, I mean, that is fine.
Not responsible.
Maybe not.
I don't know.
But I would think that if you saw something that was fully hairy, that your presumption, without clothes, your presumption certainly would be that it was not a human being.
And I'm not going to sit here and defend the morality of taking a shot or of his taking the shot, nor am I going to criticize it.
What I wanted to get mostly now from y'all is a sense of the story.
In other words, did you believe it?
I happen to think it's true.
I believe it.
I think we've got somebody here who took down a couple of Bigfoot.
Or something like a Bigfoot.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Hi, Art.
Hello.
I was listening to the story about the guy that supposedly shot Bigfoot with a couple.
And I do believe him because my father used to travel a lot.
He was a truck driver.
And he had told me one time that he thought there was an animal on the side of the road, which he thought was a deer.
It was crouched down.
He's seen the eyes, you know, like a deer with a headlight would hit the eyes.
And then it got up and walked on its two feet, and it was around seven foot tall.
And matter of fact, from that day on, he was an avid Bigfoot fan.
Jimmy, he, you know, bought magazines and researched on his own a lot.
You know, I'm not a hunter, so I can't judge that aspect.
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Well, I'm not a hunter either, but if you shot something like that that was close to human, half human, and reasonably half ape, you would probably react the same way they did, too.
Yeah, I was going to reserve comment on the Bigfoot thing until I hear a little more.
But I was calling, this is kind of a strange story that I read in one of the, actually one of the tabloids, but it was sort of off the wall that there is an element of truth to it, I think, because it involves, I don't know.
Sure.
I don't know if maybe some of your listeners have heard this, but their bass player after the group broke up or whatever was some sort of a computer wizard.
And evidently, just a couple of years ago, I guess he made quite a decent amount of money.
A couple of years ago, according to this article, he came upon some, worked out some sort of program on this computer, some sort of big deal.
They didn't really explain it too well.
I'm hoping maybe somebody out there will know.
But evidently, it involved faster, this is what it said, faster than light communication, which is pretty bizarre.
You know, faster than light, anything is pretty bizarre.
But this then, evidently now, the guy is missing.
That was the main crux of the story was that he was missing.
There's something else that also, I don't know if you can allow the time for this.
I've tried to get through before with your Halloween show or Truth or Trash, but a related story is, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Falk Monster or the Honey Island Swamp Monster down in this area.
There have been numerous reportings, which is basically a Bigfoot-type creature with an incredibly foul stench.
And the Honey Island Swamp is right along the border of Louisiana, Mississippi area, in the Pearl River area.
And like I said, for several, several years, you hear different stories coming through about people, you know, hunters, trappers, people out crawfishing and what have you, coming across creatures that look, you know, basically a Bigfoot type description.
And the same came from the falcarry of Arkansas, which is in the lower, well, the southwest corner around the Texas Arcana area.
And what has been strange, some people have reported coming across footprints, oddly enough, with a three-toe signature instead of a normal five-toe, which has always been associated with the Bigfoot.
But like I say, there have been different stories floating around the swamp areas.
We've had something occur on the show program this evening.
The man who sent me the facts on Sunday about shooting of Big Foot, plural to him, contacted me tonight by facts, and I put him on the air from 12 midnight Pacific time until 12.30.
He told the story on the air in significant detail.
I've had a couple of people in doubt about the bullet weights, but I've also talked to a couple of hunters who say, no, he was exactly right.
Exactly right.
And I've got a number of faxes here.
This was a significant occurrence, and it's kind of put me in the middle here.
From Bob, I won't give the last name, a retired Border Patrol supervisor.
Art, I've been listening to Bugs, that's his pseudoname, with interest for the last few minutes, and I think the guy is telling the truth.
I will bet he can produce some photos and take you to the graves.
Wow, what a find.
Or this.
Hi, Art.
Well, this certainly sounds like the real deal.
Now, once and for all, we're going to be able to put a stop to the myth about the Bigfoot.
I'm happy and sad, all in the same mood.
Yes, I believe the fellow.
But I have an awful feeling deep down in my guts about this.
You know the feeling.
The one where you know that you have done something terribly wrong.
Signed Greenwood Charlie.
Argues should request your Bigfoot person to at least send you one or two of the remaining seven Polaroids.
If they were taken some twenty or so years ago, I'm sure the photos could be dated as being taken from a Polaroid film available during that period, just as the alien autopsy film was analyzed.
Even if the individuals won't come forward, the photographs and their verification would be very impressive.
Yes, I agree.
Or this, I believe we've got a very credible story here.
Bugs mentioned photographs.
Art, you need to get him to send you a couple so we can get our opinions more solidified through your eyes.
I see no harm to this man if he submits photos to you for further proof.
So there you are.
Dear Art, Bugs sounded sincere, but what really sounds correct is that the hunter would take down a Bigfoot rather than trying to capture it.
This is exactly the same thing that you have commented about aliens.
If these hunters had encountered an alien, they would have taken the same action.
A sorry comment about mankind.
Dear Art, the calibers Bug mentioned are real.
I've owned them both.
The story he told, believable.
Believable to me because there was something in his voice that is exactly how I feel myself about killing anything after years past, being an avid hunter.
Or this from a physician, I will not give his name, Thomas, a medical doctor.
Ballistically, Bugs describes accurately the reactions of a large wild animal to the energy of the various bullet hits to the creatures.
So I'm sorry if you did not get to hear it.
It was an amazing half hour.
I kind of feel in the middle of it now, very much in the middle of it.
And it would have been a lot easier in a lot of ways had it not been so apparently realistic.
Well, what we may do is we'll pull that half hour in the morning after the program and prep it and perhaps repeat it for you tomorrow night somewhere in this hour so I can be sure that everybody has heard it.
I think that what you heard was a significant occurrence.
That's my take on it.
And if I were a betting man, and I don't think I would put money on this one way or the other, but if I did, I would bet it was a real thing, and I would bet this man could lead us to those graves.
That's what I think.
You know, that's just a feeling.
I mean, I listened to his story.
And I was impressed by it.
I thought it was real.
As I thought the facts was real, I think the rendition we got on the air was added to my impression that what we're hearing is real.
My only question with the whole deal is that, you know, over the past 30 years or so, 30, 35 years, there's been a number of sightings and a lot of publicity on these Bigfoot and Abonable Snowmen and all this other thing.
I think that it's ironic that the fact that Bugs went into details about the calibers and everything, he didn't mention the smell or the stench of these animals.
And that's the only question I have in the whole thing, because one, I do believe there are such critters, whatever they may be, in existence, because there's just been too many sightings.
And maybe they couldn't discern between a human and whatever this was.
And if that was the case, he could end up getting charged.
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Well, the thing of it is, you know, there's been some folks this evening that said that, well, it was unethical to hunt at night.
Well, predator hunting at night under light is legal in a lot of states.
It's an accepted method of hunting predators.
But and, you know, he indicated that when they hit it with the light, you know, it stood up.
Yep.
Well, all the years that our family and myself we've guided, you know, at night, even with a half a million candle power, a critter like that stand up, and you notice I use the term critter, could look an awful lot like a bear.
And maybe that's why they had a 300 weatherby there.
Now, yeah, I mean, everybody's tearing this whole thing apart in minutia.
To me, it's not.
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I think he has a defense.
And I think that, one, that as legal counsel enters into this thing or legal advice, I think one of the salient points that should be considered is that, one, if he is afforded, him and his two buddies are afforded immunity.
And I think that this is possible because, one, I don't think it would be offered.
I appreciate your call, sir, but look, if a charge could be leveled like manslaughter, a lesser charge than murder, I'm sure it would be, but there could be a manslaughter charge.
Easily.
They would not, with a possible crime.
What the hell do the police know?
For all they know, he cooked up this story to cover what was a murder.
The police are going to be open to all possibilities.
And they're not going to offer that kind of immunity, not for that kind of crime.
They're just not going to do it.
So, frankly, I understand this fear.
And I'm not surprised by it.
In fact, if anything, it adds more weight to the whole thing as far as I'm concerned.
I'd be afraid too.
Plus, you've got to remember that he's out there on his own.
And I can tell you that before he went on the air, he said, I don't want to go on the air.
I want to be able to contact the other two guys, so that too makes sense.
So he's probably afraid he's too far out on a limb, and he is pretty far out on a limb.
Frankly, I believe the story.
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The story.
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Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
Here are the unfortunate choices.
We attack Iran and any other country that we think could be a problem for us today and in the future, or we try to work out friendly, peaceful solutions with everybody.
And I'm trapped now because if we go the military route, we are committed to doing it forever.
On the other hand, can we truly create a peaceful planet?
I don't know anymore.
Now we take you back to the night of April 16th, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I mean, you can probably exhume, since it was buried and wasn't there for scavengers, you could probably exhume and do genetic testing and other type of testing.
We're going to have to play the thing again tomorrow night.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Well, just quickly, though, if he basically, when you're doing this, and I understand why he was, and I have nothing against it, I mean, well, I do morally about hunting at night and so forth.
But logically, it seems like they would have walked together around the perimeter of this to check it out.
I mean, it only would make sense.
That would be my first instinct, is let's all walk together in a group, obviously very close together, so in case anything happened, all the fire would go the same direction.
Okay, that's one thing.
The second thing is, is when backing up in the beginning of the story, is when he's, when they sight this thing, it seems logical that this animal being of that nature to hear a motor and the headlights coming.
When it's dark, Art, you can see headlights miles away out there.
And that is the way a lot of people have hunted for a long time.
unidentified
No, no, I understand.
Yeah.
But anyway, those are my two main concerns.
I mean, that far away, of course, you know, and then having the time.
And one thing he did say that lent to his, to give it a positive side, was he said once he said they spotted it in the scope, there was not a doubt he knew what it was.
These spotlights would light up the area for 300 yards to see with.
We used Weaver 9 to 15 by 50 power scopes.
If we could not identify what we were looking at, we would not shoot.
There were a lot of cattle in this part of the country, and you sure didn't want to shoot a cow.
We were sportsmen in the true sense.
We lost a lot of money by not shooting.
The weapons we were using were a Remington 700 BDL 243 caliber 125 grain bullet, a Weatherby 300 Magnum 280 grain bullet.
The pistol I used was a Ruger 44 Magnum Blackhawk 240 grain bullet.
The reason we hunted was that coyotes were bringing from $50 to $100 each.
Bobcats, $750 or more on good nights, you could make $4 or $500.
And I can't read you the rest of this.
So there you are for whatever it's worth.
And I, of course, have a flood of faxes here.
Now, what I intend to do is take the half hour that we had and replay it tomorrow night, probably in this hour, so I can be sure that everybody by then has heard it.
I'm just getting flooded with faxes.
The Bigfoot story, the tone of it.
Art, I've hunted a lot.
I've been around a lot of good old boys like this guy and his buddies.
I know a lot about firearms.
Everything he said sounded right on.
The whole tone of his story sounded authentic, and I tend to believe that it rings sincere.
I sure hope he and his buddies agree to reveal the photos and the location of the graves.
His description of the eyes reflecting light tends to make me think these things are more animal than human.
Human eyes don't reflect light.
They sound like the giants who roamed earth described in the Old Testament of the Bible.
Could they be holdovers?
Or this?
No doubt the bug's account was real.
To listen to him speak about how after the incident he gave up weapons was a very telling modulation in his voice during this time.
When you get the tape of it, listen closely.
It was certain to me that he feels deeply about the experience and is wanting absolution before his own death mark in Honolulu.
About bugs in the Bigfoot, another one from Riverside, by the way, hunting deer at night with a light is called jack lighting, and to my knowledge has been illegal in the States for quite some time.
Yes, I believe that's true.
So the moral questions aside, the legal questions looming, I personally judge it to be a real story, and I don't know exactly where it's going to take me, but I think it's real.
And if we ever want to settle this whole thing, this whole damn thing with regard to Bigfoot, here is an opportunity, one that I can't let pass.
And this is something that I would like to finally see settled.
Wouldn't you?
Or is it better not to know?
I think there's very little choice now, legally and otherwise.
I think this has to be followed on.
But I will keep my word.
Oh, my.
Problems we make for ourselves, eh?
Incredible.
So we will be in follow-up contact with this Bigfoot organization in Oregon, one that has serious resources.
They've got helicopters.
They've got financing.
They're very serious about what they do, and they've communicated with me now two or three times since the facts.
And now, no doubt, up in Oregon.
In fact, I would like to get through to them.
I'd like to talk to this Bigfoot organization now.
Maybe even on the air.
And the person who heads it knows my private number.
If he wants to contact me here at the top of the hour, we'll get your reaction to it.
And I don't even know if he's awake at this hour.
I would hope that he would have been.
Boy, I'll tell you.
In the years I've done talk radio, there have been a number of times like this when I just sort of walk into something and kaboom, all of a sudden you've got a sort of a situation on your hands.
I'm also involved in a tactical team, long-range shooting, and I've got a lot of experience in ballistics and different calibers.
You had a caller that was a former Army sniper a while ago and started talking about loads available for the particular rifles that Bugs was talking about.
However, the animal, I mean, to the shooter, in fact, the animal may have done that in reaction to being hit that way.
Now, that doesn't mean that the bullet, the physics, I understand what you're saying about the physics of it, but the animal may have reacted in that manner when it was hit.
unidentified
Possibly, but according to Bugs, the animal was charging toward him, and he's talking about a 300-pound animal.
And whether you want to talk about a 44 Magnum being able to stop something in its tracks or knock it backwards, you still have the momentum of the animal as it's charging toward him, and to throw it back three or four feet is virtually impossible.
But when you have shot something and buried it and know where you've buried it and took photographs of it, then it seems to me you've got something that somebody in your position would at least follow up on.
unidentified
Absolutely.
There's no doubt about it.
I would check this out.
And please understand, I believe in Bigfoot, too.
My sister lived in Vancouver, Washington for a long period of time, and I was in the area.
And in that country, you can walk past something three feet away and you wouldn't see it.
It's unbelievable, the rainforest.
And I'd say there's a real strong possibility Bigfoot exists.
Now, whenever anybody has told a story on this program or any other, any story that you hear from anybody, it will be picked apart six ways from Sunday.
I would say, based on the faxes that I've received, I've probably got about 100 faxes here.
And about 80 or 90 percent of them seem to believe the story.
I mean, people, look, we all know that it's done, has been done.
People have done it for years.
We know it is against the law.
And I'm not out to render some sort of moral judgment on what he did.
I'm not trying to look at the story from that point of view.
I mean, that's certainly a talk we could have.
We could have a discussion about the morality of what he did, but it was a long time ago.
It's a done deal.
I think now, if we believe the story is true, then we should be looking at trying to get to the graves, trying to get the photographs, trying to find out if it's all real.
unidentified
Yeah, but I don't actually think he'll come out and it'd be pretty hard for him to come out and actually do something like that.
And the reason why I'm saying that is, like, I wouldn't even, I'm not even willing to telephone.
As you get at another 20 years, you'll begin to reflect on things that you've done in your life.
And as you get older, in your 30s, this might not seem apparent, but as you enter the latter half of your life, let's say, you begin to reflect and think about things you've done earlier in your life in a way that you would not when you're 30.
I'll just simply tell you that is true.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, I can understand that, and I can relate to it.
My father went through the same thing.
He can't even shoot an animal anymore, but he used to do the same things before.
But it just is a hard thing to come out and make it public to people.
And whether he'd have a lawyer or not, he would still be faced with them kinds of charges.
And just to qualify myself, I've done hunting all throughout North America and in Southern Africa and done quite a bit of competitive shooting along with that.
The one thing he did say, they were out there, the reason they were hunting in the 70s was the fur trade.
Hides were worth so much money.
I guess, like you said, on the facts.
Why would anyone be using a 300 Weatherby to begin with when you're hunting furs?
I've done some of that quite a bit, and you've got a gun like that, and you lose a lot of accuracy.
The recoil on the 300 Weatherby is extremely violent.
So maybe if there was three of them, maybe they had different weapons for different possible applications.
I don't know.
I'm not a hunter, so I don't know.
unidentified
And that may very well be.
I don't really know why they'd have a 300 with them.
But in any event, and also like that policeman was saying, the bullet weights, I did a little looking while I was listening to that, and it just sounded bogus.
I'll tell you, I couldn't find anything as big as what they were saying for either caliber.
Well, he could have more easily, in the thread of his story, just told us the caliber he was using without telling us that he had loaded them to a certain degree, to this degree.
In other words, he didn't have to add that to the story.
He could have left it at we use the following calibers, right?
unidentified
Yeah, if he'd have done that.
And that's, like I say, that, you know, there might be, there's a lot of obscure bullet manufacturing companies that this fellow reloaded.
Art Bell All right, the last communication from Bugs is as follows.
Art, the bullet green could have been 75.
I don't remember.
I know that I use a Sierra Boattail Bullet, whatever that is.
I don't know.
But he says, I know I use a Sierra Boattail bullet.
I have not shot a weapon since that time.
I sold all my rifles, all my pistols.
I'll write the entire story in detail to you tomorrow and fax it to you.
Then my fax machine is just absolutely burning up with people.
It's sort of come down to people arguing with people, callers arguing with callers here.
And it's beginning to remind me of the Kennedy assassination discussions that have gone.
In other words, we're getting away from the original story that Bugs told, and we're getting into sort of an argument about the minutiae, the detail, and I'm not sure that that is that important as you try to judge the story.
Don and Escondido writes, out of the Midway Reloading Catalog, Barnes Rifle Bullets, 243 caliber goes to 150 in grain, 300 Weatherbee magazine, 30 caliber bullet weights up to 250 grain.
Also, spear bullets, whatever those are, to 105 grain and 243 caliber.
Page 36 here, bullets go up to 107 grains, and 243 caliber, page 37.
So, who knows?
Art, the solution to your Bigfoot problem is easy.
Bugs should return to the burial site and mark it with spray paint.
He should then mail you a detailed map so that you can remail it to the Bigfoot organization.
This will keep Bugs completely anonymous.
Nothing would reveal his identity.
No name, no mailing point, nothing but a map.
Dave in Independence, Missouri.
I suppose that's possible, but the sense, and I'm just going to give you the sense that I get from this man, is that he wants it settled in his life.
I guess he doesn't want to, at least ultimately, anonymously talk about this.
He wants to get it behind him.
At least that's the sense that I have of it.
Then this, aren't...
Listen to this.
Art.
The guy on now, referring to a caller he heard, I guess, is full of it.
You can buy 125 grain bullets from Sierra.
Why meat hunters or varmint hunters would carry a 300 weather bee I guess is in question, but indeed you could get such a gun.
I don't know if you're going to be out hunting.
I would assume that you'd have a variety of calibers with you.
Or this.
Good morning, Art.
I'm just giving you a sense of some of what's coming in.
I couldn't possibly read all of them.
I've hunted since I was nine years old.
I'm 48 now.
I've been around firearms all my life and have hunted many North American big game animals.
The phone conversation with Bugs sounds very real.
I shoot a Winchester 300 MAG, which is very close to the 300 Weatherby Mag.
Even with a hard impact of a high-velocity heavy grain bullet, animals can still run for some distance.
The ideal shot most hunters try for is a long shot if possible.
Unless the bullet impacts the backbone, which would immobilize the animal immediately, an animal can run a long distance.
Usually after the impact of the first bullet, the animal's adrenaline kicks in, and in the following shots, unless bones are hit, seem to have very little effect.
With reference to the caller that stated that the impact of a bullet would not knock the animal back three or four feet, I have a video of 200 pound deer actually being lifted off their feet and knocked back at least three feet.
Gentleman may have been a sniper, but apparently he's not shot any live animals.
Bug's story sounds very credible.
He's either done his homework well or it really happened.
Wade in Idaho Art heard the story about the Bigfoot quite impressive.
Just a couple of questions.
Why did it take him 23 years to come forward with this incredible information?
Why didn't they anonymously notify the authorities?
Well, first of all, they are not involved in this at this point.
If you listen to his story, the other two are not part of what he has had to say so far.
And in fact, he needs to check with them before he goes very much further with this.
And as far as why come forward after all these years, well, there's been a lot of that lately, hasn't there?
People coming forward after a lot of years, and you always say why?
And there really is an answer to it.
It's the one I gave last hour, and I'll give you again now.
As you get older, you begin to review your life.
It is a very natural process, and when you're 20 or 30, you don't think so.
But I can assure you, as you reach the midway point, you will begin to review what you've done in your life.
Things weigh upon you.
You're not alone.
It will happen to all of us, or nearly all of us.
And so I understand it personally.
Or this, finally, and I'll hold it at that.
Art the Bigfoot story was told sincerely.
44-mag hitting a 350-pound object is like me throwing you a bowling ball.
The law of physics says you will be moved backward a few feet.
So it just goes on and on.
You know, we're going to argue over the minutiae of this, and I'm not sure that the grain weights and all the rest of it, or how he recalled it, were that important.
And he said that, in essence, himself in this last communication.
It could have been, he said.
This is a guy who, over two decades ago, stopped using guns, sold his guns.
You're back on the air again.
Thank you for waiting.
unidentified
Hey, thanks, Art.
With regard to the 44, hey, I believe that.
And I really think this guy's story is credible.
But, you know, the data I have on a 220-grain, and he says he used a 280-grain bullet with that 300 Weatherby.
You're dealing with almost 3,200 foot-pounds of energy at 100 yards, which is, I mean, that's a lot of energy.
Yeah, again, we're sitting here picking somebody's story apart in minutiae here and saying, well, this or that can't happen, or this can't happen, or why didn't this happen?
I thank you for the call, but again, there's a thousand different stories and thoughts in the big city about this.
I thought overall the story sounded, I thought it was credible.
But I've been fooled before.
Who am I?
I'm not a hunter.
I don't know about all these things.
I just know that I thought it sounded credible.
And now I really do feel in the middle of this morally.
So in that sense, Bugs has managed to shift some of the weight, perhaps.
But it's like I understand that you would want to do that.
There are certain things that you just don't want to die with the weight of.
You know, I missed the first hierarchy program this morning.
I've been picking up on the rest of it.
You know, it seems like to me, Bugs could borrow a handheld GPS and go out on that spot and take the longitude and latitude and send it to these people in Oregon with the helicopters.
I think, though, that if you listened to him, that the object of what he's trying to do right now is to get straight with it, you know, not just to tell somebody where to go dig.
But he wants to get personally straight with it.
unidentified
Well, he could come forth later after they found that, if they did, in fact, find any remains out there, because if only he would have those numbers, and he could prove who he was with his numbers later.
I just don't like people quoting from the Bible directly if we don't read scripture on the air here.
unidentified
I understand.
Good.
Well, in the story of Adam and Eve, when Cain slew Abel, and then he was banished from the garden and went into a far land, and there he knew his wife.
So she must have been on earth at least as old as he was.
I guess that is not the spirit, though, of my question.
The spirit of my question would relate to a more modern disaster, economic, social, who knows, comets slamming in, Ebola decimation, whatever might occur to an industrialized, advanced society like ours that would set it back the way I'm sure the Unibomber wished it would be set back.
What would be on the other side?
In other words, would society form with a distaste for technological things technological, kind of like the revolution in China, the Mao Revolution where people who wore glasses were getting slaughtered, that kind of deal.
So what would come out on the other side?
What kind of society would come out on the other side?
Would that society begin immediately rebuilding its technological base?
That's what it sounded like to me he's hoping to do.
But I am not surprised that he would be concerned about the legal implications of it for himself.
I would.
So you'd be sitting there weighing the need to get this off your chest against the possible legal and real-world effect that it would have on you and your family.
Wouldn't you?
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yes, Mr. Bill.
This is Robert from Lincoln, Nebraska.
Hi, Robert.
I called you, I talked to you just last week about the remote control.
And I was listening to your Sunday show, and when you played the Bigfoot tape, I've heard those noises before.
Where?
In my childhood, I lived in a small little town in Washington called Maple Valley.
And Bigfoot, or Bigfeet, used to go down by the river about two miles away from our home and fish in there during the night.
If I heard that sound, I would be gone, gone, gone.
I don't have the apparent what would be the word guts of a lot of hunters, you know, to stand there with this high-caliber gun and plug away at something.
It would just scare the, you know, what out of me.
Very simply.
That sound is just, it's one of the most horrible sounds.
I've got a fax here, and somebody else who believes it and says, look, the guy who suggested they were hunting for fur really should go back and recall what was being hunted.
Coyotes, bobcats, et cetera, hardly for fur animals.
They were hunted for bounty.
In some cattle, sheep country, the bounties can go very high.
And I think that's right.
There were some pretty serious bounties.
I recall talk of that when I was younger.
But I was never a hunter.
Look, I appreciate your comment and everybody else's.
But I kind of, you know, naive me, remember that lady yesterday?
I sort of believe the story.
I don't know about the minutiae, the arguments about grains of this and grains of that.
I just listened to the story as a whole and I listened to him tell it and I thought it was real.
The guy's not asking for any money for the story.
He's not trying to squeeze money out of this somehow or another.
The only thing he mentioned was legal counsel.
And that I can understand.
In fact, here is a fact that is worth considering.
If the story is true, this is from somebody named Dan.
And he revealed the photos and location of the graves.
What do you suppose the legal ramifications would be?
Would this creature be considered human or animal?
Perhaps somebody in the audience with some expertise in the law could shed light on all this.
Well, all right.
A couple of things.
The photos certainly would help in that determination, but if, and I listened carefully to his story, if he was shooting at something that was covered with fur that wasn't dressed in any human clothes, covered with fur, then I would think there would be no jury in the land that would convict them of murder.
I mean, maybe of poaching, maybe of illegally hunting with a light.
Again, I'm not a hunter, so I don't...
I know there are some people in the audience who would say, look, you you shot some sort of uh intelligent creature and that is murder.
But uh I would define murder as an intentional preconsidered action.
Murder involves knowing you're killing a human being or even an intelligent life form and that you plan to do it.
Isn't that how we define murder?
In degrees, there are degrees of murder.
But premeditation is one very, very important aspect to any of those charges of murder.
Manslaughter?
Well, I'm not sure.
There could be, I suppose, some legal ramifications to this.
The fears, what would I be afraid of if I project myself into this man's position?
They would dig up something, they would dig up some graves, they would do genetic testing, and what guarantees are there?
If there wasn't much left, but yet enough genetic material to do a test, and it was close enough to human genetic material, then the law might follow on with some sort of charge.
Definitely might.
Now, again, I might be wrong, but I believe that with respect to the gorilla, for example, there is only one tiny part of one percentage of genetic difference measurable.
It's a definite difference, but it's very, very small.
And so something in between a human being and or some link might come up genetically looking about the way we do.
The only thing that bothers me about the deal is they say they were there hunting for varmints for money, and I mean, that would pay pretty good, I would think, a Bigfoot.
So, you know, that kind of about the only thing I'd think about it.
If there were a virus that struck in the United States that we could judge down to a certain area, a certain geographic area, would you be in favor of cutting those people off, installing the military, and perhaps, say, eliminating this group of people in order to keep the virus from spreading?
It would depend on what the scientists were telling me, Charles, but the bottom line, of course, would be if there was a near-sure result that the general population would be infected, that 90% would die, then you would be weighing the rights of the many versus the rights of the few.
And I think that gives you your answer, but it would be very hard, Charles.
And I think, unfortunately, there are people out there who do not understand that people in the government sometimes, including the President on down, sometimes have to make decisions between two evils.
One being terribly evil, the other one being not as evil.
You could always see the female lying head upward, depending on what was being said.
And it seems to me that if you look at the photo ops that the president and the first lady have put out for the last six or seven months, being in classroom settings or having children in the oval office behind the president when he's signing something or other, he's sending out messages to the female population.
And it seems to me that that's reaping benefits for him.
Well, that just shows that he knows what he's doing being a politician.
Now, I remember, and I know you do too, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, other Republican presidents who have at various times, during signings of bills, lined up police officers behind them and other groups that they thought would be favorably received.
And I would rather believe that that is the message that's resonating so heavily with females as opposed to the difference in appearance between the two men.
But I continue to suspect that that is also a factor.
Now, I've certainly heard a lot of stories about objects, particularly crystal and glass, that they speculate are able to retain a sort of a memory, an image, possibly even sounds or pictures.
I know that sounds odd to a lot of people, but there is a lot of work being done in this area, and crystal would have particular properties in that vein.
I'll see what I can find out about it and follow up on it.
But yes, there is quite a bit of legitimate research now being done into the retention of memories or sounds or visual images with regard to material objects.
It's a really weird science, but believe me, they're doing a lot of research.
In other words, if they're able to date the photographs to the time period that he talked about, I think then, and I recall pretty well, Polaroids were regarded as legitimate then.
unidentified
Well, you may have me on that.
I tend to believe him.
He sounds very real.
Did he indicate where this happened, the state, or could that even be talked about?