Art Bell’s 1996 episode dissects the Unabomber’s 17-year bombing campaign, Theodore Kaczynski’s manifesto critiquing industrial society, and his brother’s discovery of incriminating writings. Callers debate technology’s neutrality, HAARP’s weather-modification claims, and North Korea’s DMZ violations, with Bell warning of potential war despite 2M starving citizens. A Montana caller links the Freemen’s anti-government stance to a 1990 HARP incident aboard the USS Olette, while UFO sightings—including a blue-light craft over Saudi Arabia—spark speculation. Bell concludes by urging listeners to track geopolitical tensions, from Korea’s nuclear howitzers to Montserrat’s volcanic threats, blending conspiracy theories with urgent global warnings. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, wherever you may be across all these many time zones.
Had a wonderful weekend off, and it's good to be here from the Achaean and Hawaiian Islands west, all the way across this great nation of Paris, to the Caribbean, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, out into South America, country, please.
North to the Pole.
This is coast to coast, A.M. Good to be here.
Very good to be here.
Back in the South again.
Well, there have been two large volcanic eruptions shooting ash, billowing like a gray carpet over a small Caribbean island.
Montserrat is going up.
The first of the afternoon eruptions rivaled in size a Saturday eruption that rocketed ash 30 to 40,000 feet in height.
Monday's eruptions interrupted a news conference by William Ambaugh, head of the Montserrat Volcano Observatory.
He says now the volcano has entered a stage of higher activity since Wednesday that could produce a, quote, climactic eruption, end quote.
So Montserrat is going up.
A lot of other news to talk about.
Let me, oh yes, of course, let me tell you a couple of things here.
You know about our international line.
Well, it is finally perfected and working just spiffy.
And we would love to have you give it a try.
Now, on my webpage, we have uploaded most of the world's AT ⁇ T direct access numbers.
Pretty cool, huh?
You'll find them on my webpage.
Keith Rowland staying right on top of everything.
Boom, boom, boom, just like that.
Whatever is new is up on that webpage.
So if you would like to go visit, you may do so at www.artbell.com.
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A lot of the book signing photos up there, the ones that are going to be in the newsletter, you will find just about everything, as a matter of fact, on that webpage.
So go take a look.
Now, the International Line, the first truly toll-free international telephone line has been established, accomplished by the brilliant people at AT ⁇ T. And I should tell you, and I will loosely, that we are now pursuing a large million-watt-plus shortwave station in St. Petersburg, Russia.
And we may well engage their services or the services of another large shortwave station and be up on shortwave in the next months to come.
Now, we've got to get it over there on a satellite, or it may be quicker.
Who knows?
But we're going to do an Atlantic hop with a satellite signal and come down and then go back up on 1 million watts of shortwave.
So that's a coming.
In the meantime, if you should hear us on the internet, and we have real audio sites, as you know, you'll see it up there also on my webpage.
You can jump over and take a listen.
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Fugitive members of the militant anti-government Freemen group have released a defiant written statement on the 15th day of their standoff with the FBI in Jordan, Montana.
Members of the Freemen posted a statement outside their rule compound.
Get this, reasserting their independence and denying the validity of the Montana and U.S. governments.
So hopes for an Easter surrender obviously failed.
In their negotiations thus far, the Freemen are saying the only way they're coming out is if they can be judged by their own common law court.
In other words, their justice system, not the justice system.
So what was beginning to look like a short-term standoff now seems more likely a very long-term problem.
Which seems more likely to you?
Violence at the end or a surrender?
Dear Art, I know you don't often read email messages on the air, but please consider what I have to say regarding the so-called Freemen and other anti-government organizations.
I'm really sick of the media not referring to the Freemen as what they really are, anarchists, heavily armed anarchists.
You said it yourself on the air that if the Freemen's demands for the abolition of the federal government were to come true, the end result would be anarchy.
So what does that make them?
The Freemen, some militias, posse comitatas, other like-minded groups all have got one thing in common: a hatred of the federal government that is so deep and paranoid that they have dedicated themselves to its destruction.
Many of these groups also advocate the destruction of the 50 state governments.
Somebody sent this to me from Montana, poor Montana.
To anyone concerned about how Montana's tourism trade will fare under the weight of militia movements, Freeman Frenzy and Unabombers, have no fear, KLCY Radio was here.
Hosts of the Missoula Station's Wacky Breakfast Club show decided Thursday morning to find a catchy new slogan for Montana, just to make sure visitors still want to come.
Tongue-in-cheek suggestions include 47 of them in all, came from every corner of the listenership there.
The winner, according to popular vote, welcome to Montana.
It's where you're wanted.
Second place, Montana, the great escape.
Other nominations, Big Sky, the favorite place for the FBI.
Montana, naturally indicting.
Montana, the last best place to hide.
And the unique submission from restaurant owner, well, I won't give his name.
South Korea is now giving the North a warning that any more troops showing up in the DMZ are going to be shot.
And in fact, North Korea has been sending large numbers, hundreds of heavily armed North Korean troops into the DMZ.
Oh boy, is this dangerous.
They did it for three nights in a row.
We'll find out about tonight later.
Tensions are high.
South Korea and the U.S. on the highest alert since the truce with North Korea.
And I've got a question for you, and I want you to think really hard about this.
How many of you think that we could actually muster the people to fight another Asian war?
If it comes down to it, if the Koreans, and they've got about 2 million people now starving, decide to do something stupid, and I would not rule it out.
How many of you think we could muster, if we had to, enough Americans to go and fight in Korea?
Now, I know we have a force there now.
We would have to have many more.
Dear Art, further information on the OJ lie detector test story.
Story was broken by Harvey Levin, investigative reporter for LA TV station.
He's been around a long time, says, the info from several different stories, sources rather, here's how I heard it.
OJ was sent to a doctor, accompanied by Robert Kardashian, by Shapiro.
But Shapiro had not yet entered his appearance as O.J.'s lawyer.
Apparently, it was arranged ahead of time.
The doctor then sent them to, or called in, a man named Ed Gelb, who is one of the best and most respected in L.A. in the field.
He's not a medical doctor, but is a Ph.D., very well known and an expert in lie detection.
Levin says O.J. and Kardashian were both furious, but O.J. did take the test.
This was two days after the murders.
He failed it miserably with a minus six.
In the immortal words of Gomer Pyle, surprise, surprise, Pat in Boise.
Minus six, huh?
Dear Art, Elizabeth has forced me out.
Sorry I can't call in, but you're not the Antichrist.
If anyone is, it must be me.
If there's anything I could do for humanity, it would be to remove the error of Christianity.
How's that, Art?
The Antichrist is a Jeffersonian constitutional conservative working as a late-night shift typesetter in Livermore, California.
Reminiscent of the Twilight Zone episode in which Burgess Meredith portrayed the devil working as a linotype operator, a small town newspaper.
Hmm, at least I work unlike the socialist in Kansas City.
I don't make this stuff up, Art.
More about the error of Christianity in the future.
Jeff, the Antichrist in Livermore, working late as usual.
The Unibomber has been the big news, and I must say, it fascinates me.
I don't know why.
The Unibomber fascinates me, and I'm going to let you hear some of his quotes here in a moment.
We'll probably talk about them.
The Unibomber is a serial killer, a long one, too.
17 years, this guy killed.
FBI thinks they've got the right guy, Theodore Kaczynski, a Montana hermit.
Three murders, 23 injured so far, charged with now only possession of an explosive.
But they have found chemicals that match the ones used in the bomb.
A typewriter that they say is a preliminary match to the one that wrote his manifesto.
Woodworking tools.
The writings.
As a matter of fact, that's kind of what got him caught, were his writings.
And he used very similar phrases.
His brother found these writings, can you imagine that?
Actually thought he was a unabomber, thought he might be, hired a detective, hired an ex-FBI fellow Who said, yes, these look like the same writings to me.
They allegedly have got some saliva DNA, which would allow them to narrow it to about 3% of the population, should it be a match.
He committed murder in two states, wounded people in six others.
Now, California would like to try him, but that is not going to happen.
What is going to happen is probably a trial in federal court.
That's my best guess.
California has not had a lot of luck with high-profile trials lately, and so I think the feds are going to be not interested in letting him go there.
There has been established a loose connection to Earth First.
In other words, he apparently went to some of their meetings.
You know, it's very interesting, I think.
In a way, the Unibomber is as much of a left-wing environmentalist wacko as Timothy McVeigh is thought to be on the right.
Now, maybe some of you can help me out with this.
He was a math teacher.
He's said to have an IQ of 150 plus.
And in his manifesto, he talks a great deal about the catastrophe theory.
Now, I don't know what it is.
I don't know what the catastrophe theory is, specifically.
And anybody who can help with that, I would appreciate it.
Is it like the chaos theory?
I am familiar with that.
But what is the catastrophe theory?
It was offered on one of the Sunday shows, Brinkley, I believe, that he will likely go for an insanity defense.
Matter of fact, they had Jerry Spence on talking about that.
And Jerry Spence said, basically, that if this is a man who has the right message but the wrong delivery, so to speak, and I'm paraphrasing what he said, that an insanity defense is quite likely because that is saying, in essence, you don't know the difference between right and wrong.
In other words, the message may be right, but clearly the method was so wrong that you make the case that the guy does not know the difference between right and wrong.
And that is the way we determine, I guess, insanity.
We say somebody is insane if they cannot differentiate between right and wrong.
Jerry Spence said, these days, many intelligent people have withdrawn from society.
And I suppose that may be true.
Not all of them send bombs.
I'm going to give you a couple of lines from the manifesto of the Unibomber.
He said, for example, quote, the industrial technological system may survive, but only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine, end quote.
Jerry Spence said, I suspect many Americans may agree with that.
Do you?
Then he goes on to say, the Unibomber, quote, industrial technological society cannot be reformed in such a way as to prevent it from progressively narrowing the sphere of human freedom.
Now this gets right back into the very center of what we were talking about toward the end of last week, and I'm very interested in this.
You guys know me, I'm right on the edge of technological developments of all kinds.
As a matter of fact, if you want to know the truth, I'm glad they got the Unibomber, because I was afraid he might come after me.
And he might have.
In just about every area, computers, satellite, technology, communications, systems, you name it, and we're sitting on it right here and use it.
So let's talk about this again.
Let's listen to this again.
Industrial technological society cannot be reformed in such a way as to prevent it from progressively narrowing the sphere of human freedom.
Now that's a very serious charge.
And there's probably something to it.
It's saying that as we progress with each new technological step we take forward, we take a step backward with regard to individual freedom.
Do you agree with that?
He goes on, freedom means being in control of the life and death issues of one's existence.
Freedom means having power, not the power to control other people, but the power to control the circumstances of one's own life.
End quote.
So, again, I think a lot of you probably would agree with that, wouldn't you?
So, is he the Unabomber?
Sure looks like it.
Now they're proving how he traveled.
They've got a bus ticket agent who recognized him, a bus driver, another bus driver in California, a Sacramento, California hotel owner, A transient hotel owner.
So he was in the right place, at the right time, to do what they will no doubt allege he did.
In jail, it's said he is uninterested in any headlines about himself.
And he's reading a lot of very old history type books.
Doing a lot of reading, but not concerned.
again jerry spence these days many intelligent people withdraw from society i don't know why i'm And I had callers last week who said it came from the devil.
It comes from the devil.
And that I'm probably the Antichrist.
So I've been doing a lot of thinking about it before they began to call me the Antichrist.
I thought about it.
And I constantly think about it, ruminate about technology.
I'm in love with it, but I recognize there is a dark side.
Anyway, if you want to comment, you're welcome to, particularly on some of the things the man said.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 8, 1996.
We'll be right back.
Frequent Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired April 8th, 1996.
You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise?
They talk by clapping their meat at each other.
They can even sing by squirting air through their meat.
Oh my God, singing meat.
This is altogether just too much.
So what do you advise?
Officially or unofficially both?
Officially, we're required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multi-beings in the quadrant without prejudice, fear, or favor.
Unofficially, though, I advise we erase the records and forget the whole damn thing.
I was hoping you'd say that.
It seems harsh, but there is a limit.
I mean, do we really want to make contact with meat?
Well, I agree 100%.
What's there to say?
Hello, meat.
How's it going?
Will this work?
How many planets are we dealing with here?
Just one.
They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them.
And being meat, they only travel through sea space, which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact with us pretty slim.
Infinitesimal, actually.
So we just pretend there's no one home in the universe.
That's it.
Cruel.
But you said it yourself.
Who wants to meet meat?
And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed, you're sure they won't remember?
They'll be considered crackpots if they do.
We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat, so we're just a dream to them.
A dream to meet.
How strangely appropriate that we should be meat's dream.
And we can mark this sector unoccupied?
Good.
Agreed.
Officially and officially.
Case closed.
Any others?
Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?
Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a Class 9 star in G445 zone was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again.
They always come around.
And why not?
Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the universe would be if one were all alone.
And then finally, remember the thing about duct taping two cats back to back?
Remember that?
Somebody writes, what do you get when you duct tape two cats back to back?
Well, first of all, I really appreciate what you're doing as far as letting people become more aware of whether it be Scallion or whether it be Daniel Brinkley or whatever.
You're giving a great service in the last two years to people's awareness.
What I wanted to mention, though, is that Daniel Brinkley, in his book, Saved by Light, had mentioned that there was going to be a nuclear accident in the Arctic Ocean.
Right.
And that this was going to pollute the entire seas as well as waters eventually.
As a matter of fact, I'm about to have him back on Dreamland.
unidentified
Oh, that's fantastic.
Anyway, that has already transpired.
I wrote this down.
On November 7th, 1995, on Tom Brokaw's NBC News at 5.37 Western Standard Time, he mentioned that there was an accident similar to Chernobyl, but half as bad.
Now, they don't know how bad it is, but he mentioned half as bad in the Arctic Ocean.
I have not heard them myself, but maybe I'm not listening carefully enough.
Hitchhikers keep talking about them.
People take people into their cars, and the stories proliferate of hitchhikers saying Gabriel's blowing the horn or about to blow the horn, and then these people reportedly disappear.
It's happening out here in the West.
And I doubted it, and I got a lot of reports from police departments.
As far as the Unibomber himself, you know, you get all these stories of, you know, apparently single white guys lurking out there in the shadows, kind of get everybody.
And me being a single white guy, you know, I wonder if there's some monster within me or something.
By the way, while we're back on that subject, Dear Art, yes, there is similarity between aspects of catastrophe theory and chaos theory, in that both theories make predictions about unstable systems.
Systems which may at first glance look simple, but then may suddenly change their state without warning.
That's from Ron with a master's degree in math in Birmingham, Alabama.
So I guess both theories look to the probability or even inevitability that a system that is complex beyond a certain point and working will at some point become unstable and stop working.
Well, I think it's obvious with all of the volcanoes around the world now beginning to come to life, it wouldn't surprise me if Mount Hood began to rumble.
unidentified
It'd be a real mess, all right?
Oh, we've got a multi-million dollar skiing and resort industry up there, and it's downhill to Portland from there, you know.
He thinks technology eventually will take us down.
In other words, as we advance, technologically, socially, we regress.
unidentified
Well, that is kind of true, but we started it.
Remember a while back we discussed the different modes of living, like migratory nomadism and agriculture and building of cities.
When you build a city, it's almost like a nuclear reactor, where you bring uranium atoms together, they exchange particles and produce heat.
Well, you bring people together, get them to set aside some of their freedoms, they exchange information and ideas and produce technology as a product.
Much as I hate to do that, I understand, to some degree, what it is doing.
It is depersonalizing society.
In other words, in the, quote, good old days, people had to have contact with each other.
You had to do that.
Stories, news, current events, what was going on in the community had to be relayed from person to person.
This necessitated contact between people.
For those who wanted to be informed or hear the latest rumor or whatever it was, there was social connection with technology, the internet, things like Vidian, which I just dearly love, and I really think they're more positive than negative.
But they do allow people to sequester themselves and not have the kind of social contact they once had.
so that is certainly a possible downside to the technological revolution and probably what the unabomber to some degree was talking about the you East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello, how you doing?
I'm fine.
This is Fred from New Orleans.
Hi, Fred.
How you doing?
I think I was listening to this with a lot of interest on things you were saying when you first came up about technology and whatnot.
And I think it was kind of quick off in my head that I was thinking about it was that I think the thing about technology is that it's deceptive.
It's basically, I see it, like a tool of separation.
I think the more of it you have, it gives one a sense of power.
godhood i don't know about that not gotten in the in the straight-up sense in There's no question about it.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
I think essentially, you know, the more you have, the more of it you want to have.
And I think the more of it, it's just like anything else, power corrupts.
And I think that, you know, one tends to think that the more of it I have, that I don't need anything else, that I can do anything I want to do.
And I think that in and of itself is dangerous.
I think it's also an assertion of self.
You know, I just think that, you know, it basically causes separation.
I think it can almost be attributed to maybe a similarity to that.
And maybe I was going to go so far as maybe on the biblical analogy, like the apple.
You know, you will be like God.
And I do believe there's something to that.
And I think maybe the fear that I think some people make sense in it is that there is something there's something wrong with it when it gets out of control.
I think people do idolize and worship it.
I really do.
I think they may not be aware that they do that.
But I think a lot of people do worship technology.
Here I am, and you're listening to Live Overnight Talk Radio because this radio station cares enough to have live talk radio on.
Morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell talking about the Unibomber, technology, a lot of what he's had to say.
Jerry Spence was on over the weekend saying, perhaps, in insanity fleet.
In other words, a man with the right message who doesn't know right from wrong.
Interesting.
But here's a factor who facts me the Unibomber's written motives for his essay.
Quote, if we, plural, had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted.
If they had been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it's more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay.
Even if these writings had attracted many readers, most of them would have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the massive material to which the media exposes them.
In order to get our message, again plural, our message, before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we've had to kill people, end quote.
Now that exposes a mind that very well indeed understands it is doing wrong for a specific reason and would seem to me to rule out the possibility of an insanity plea.
Interesting.
All right, reminding you, we do have our international line up and running.
And whether you're listening to us long distance on AM or on the Internet, and soon on one million watts of shortwave, no matter how you're hearing us, if you would like to contact us from any other country, Okay.
I've lost it again.
I try to keep all my stuff together here.
What you do is dial the USA direct access number, whatever that is for your country, or get the operator, and then simply dial 800-893-0903 from anywhere in the world.
That number again, 800-893-0903.
Now, the catastrophe theory.
Tom Strong, as a TA joint, is known for his development of catastrophe theory, a mathematical treatment of continuous action producing a discontinuous result.
His theory is an attempt to describe, in a way that is impossible, using differential calculus, those situations in which gradually changing forces lead to so-called catastrophes or abrupt changes.
The theory has widespread application in the physical and biological sciences and in the social sciences.
So that apparently is one that this man with an IQ of 150 or better followed.
Somebody sent me an unkind cartoon about Montana.
It is pretty funny.
It shows this long, long, straight road apparently cutting through Montana, headed toward the mountains.
And it says, there's a sign that says, welcome to Montana.
Thank you for not blowing up anything.
And then there's a sign on the right, says speed limit, you name it.
And then there's another sign that says, anti-government militias, 185 miles.
Nutcase bombers, 230 miles.
Junction to Idaho and white separatists, supremists, rather, 315 miles.
Cold.
I don't know where I think this came from.
From Phoenix.
The poor people of Montana.
All of a sudden, I don't think Montana's been this much in the news since it joined the Union.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hello, this is Jack in Charleston, South Carolina.
I was wondering if the Unabomber had the advantage to be able to use probably one of the highest forms of technology, in other words, a time machine, if he would do it, to go back to the past.
Thus, science marches on blindly without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research.
And this.
ABC News, of course, reported the maintenance supervisor of the airport that Secretary Brown's plane was supposed to land at killed himself after an investigation.
It, though, was decided the suicide was not connected at all with the crash.
Isn't that interesting?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Mr. Bell.
That's me.
I had a couple of comments that I'd like to share with you tonight.
Fire away.
I live in Saskatchewan, Canada.
Ah!
And on the CTV national news tonight, they said that the FBI had found an unexploded bomb at the Uni-Bomber residence and had to defuse it.
So I guess he was planning on more.
Yeah, apparently.
You asked earlier if you figured the American people would support another Asian war or would be willing to participate.
I don't know how Americans would feel about it, but I don't think you could find anybody in Canada that would.
Not after everything that has happened over there in the last 50 years.
I rather suspect that the same answer is going to be true in America if Korea suddenly exploded, and it sure could.
You know, they're kind of tight-lipped on this, but there are 2 million people starving to death in North Korea.
Making moves into the DMZ, sending hundreds of heavily armed military into the DMZ is very serious.
unidentified
Well, it is, and I think there were enough American youngsters lost in the Vietnam War that nobody will ever be willing to take a chance on a repeat of something like that.
You know, obviously they're trying to, to some degree, downplay this.
And they're suggesting that Korea is, in essence, doing this just to kind of rattle South Korea's cage prior to an election, as China rattled Taiwan's.
But there really are about 2 million people already starving to death in North Korea.
North Korea is not a rational country.
Its people may be, but I'll tell you, if anything will drive a country to war, it is starvation.
And if there's anything that will cause an irrational communist government to act, it is internal trouble.
They will inevitably cause external trouble To save their people.
And we were in the lounge just across the hall from the intensive care and just about one door down.
Like, you get the picture?
Yes.
I do.
Okay.
So we were waiting patiently because we knew a very bad day.
It might be the D-Day.
And about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, the doctor opened the lounge door and walked in.
And I looked up and he just shook his head up and down and turned and walked out.
And as he did that, and you're going to be shocked when you hear this, my husband's soul came through that lounge and we had the window opened in the lounge because at that time there was no air conditioning in the hospital, at that particular hospital.
And we had that window wide open and it came right through and it was about and right out the window, went right out the window.
And I have my own belief in God, no matter who may think I'm the Antichrist.
And I'm convinced we have souls.
Human beings have souls.
Now, there have been actual experiments, I wonder if you knew this, in which people at the moment of death have been measured, their weight carefully monitored, and at the very moment of death, there has been a detectable three-ounce change in their weight.
People have variously tried to describe this as exhalation of gases and a lot of other things.
But what I'm telling you is scientifically established fact.
Now you can do with that what you want.
You can believe it, you can disbelieve it, but it is true.
Science has discovered there is an actual change in weight at the moment of death.
Well, because one thing I heard just now on the CBS news we get hourly is that apparently they found names of the victims in some of Yida Momber's handwriting.
One thing I was thinking about just now was that can you see it coming where one day the Unobombers Manifesto will be required reading in college campuses?
I would suspect, though I don't know, that he regards himself as a martyr.
I really think that's the way he thinks about himself.
that he is a martyr, necessary to get that information out.
Those of you trying to get through, my international line has been ringing about three or four times now, and I just haven't been able to get to it.
So if you're trying to get through, please keep trying to get through, and we will catch it at the right moment.
We treat that line as we do all the others and allow it to ring until it is answered.
Obviously, we don't want people on hold from China.
So the way to do it, if you're anywhere in the world, but the USA, Canada, and Mexico, call your AT ⁇ T USA direct access number, then dial 800-893-0903.
You know a place I really want to hear from?
And I know I have a lot of listeners there.
The Tahitian Islands, Tahiti, or Guam.
Have listeners on Guam, too.
So I believe you could probably call from Guam.
Somebody ought to try it.
The USA Direct Access Number followed by 800-893-0903.
And from any point in the whole world, it will be toll-free.
Dear Mr. Bell, Kogo News just said there are more...
There are more illegal aliens that got hurt and killed in Temecula, California.
They were fleeing from Border Patrol agents.
Kogo said the agents were observing the non-pursuit policy.
When the aliens flipped the vehicle into a ditch, radicals are blaming the Border Patrol and the Immigration Service for being prejudice.
Yours truly, Border Patrol.
And then this, Hi Art, I wonder if the Unibomber is listening to you right now.
If he were listening, what would you say to him?
I don't know.
More to the point, if he was listening or I could interview him, what would I ask?
What would you ask?
Well, I think that I would ask him how he expects all of this to unfold.
Again, this is a man with an IQ, it is said, of plus above 150, which is way up into the genius category.
And so I might ask him how it would unfold.
And while we're on that subject, this.
HiArt.
Stumbled your way by accident while sleepless about six months ago on KSFO in San Francisco.
Some good friends of mine own Higher Octave, so there was an additional link besides loving the show.
Brief comment.
Much spiritual wisdom speaks of impermanence.
In other words, nothing is to remain the same.
Destruction must happen as a precursor to creation.
Aha.
Quickening.
So, how about opening a forum for what people believe might be after the destruction of the world as we know it?
This would provide a juicy second act.
All the best, your pal.
No name.
Well, that is an interesting question, and it's the one I might pose if I were to be able to ask the Unabomber anything.
In other words, he obviously foresees a catastrophe occurring, catastrophic something, and I've had those feelings myself.
But it will not be the end, or the end for some or even many, but not, in my opinion, for mankind.
So the question is, if there is a catastrophic occurrence, whatever it would be, social, astronomical, you name it, geophysical, what would come after?
In other words, if something, in essence, destroyed the present technological civilization that we've got, what do you think would rise like a phoenix from the ashes?
Oh, that is a juicy question, isn't it?
Anybody have any thoughts?
On the international line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Now, wait a minute.
You've got to press the button first, Art.
Now, on the international line, you're on the air.
Oh, no, I'll tell you right now, that is absolutely true.
And most travel agents are telling people that pretty much as you travel throughout the world right now, for whatever reason, traveler's checks are worth more, and I don't know why.
unidentified
Well, it wouldn't be anything to do with the fact that the new American dollars are going to be, foreign exchange dollars are going to be 40% guaranteed on gold, and American domestic is only going to be, what, script?
That's too bad, because what we're hearing is the Russians are very concerned, and they're saying the new $100 bill is different than the new domestic $100 bill.
And I wanted to talk to somebody outside the country who would be able to tell me.
unidentified
Well, I'm going to leave here probably before the end of the month.
I'm going to be transferring some money over to American money, but I would suspect I'm going to get greenbacks instead of the new ones.
If that be the case, I get the new stuff, I'll surely give you a call from Houston.
That's my Belize caller sitting down there, listening to us on a Sony Walkman.
I didn't ask him this time whether he was in the hammock or not.
But laying in a hammock, listening to WOAI on a Sony Walkman.
A lot of Americans down there enjoying Belize.
And again, if you are anywhere outside this country, as A-Man is, and will be for a while yet, simply call the AT ⁇ T direct access number for whatever country you're in, it varies, and then dial 800-893-0903.
Doesn't matter where in the world you are, even communist China.
The AT ⁇ T USA direct access number and then 800-893-0903.
I always thought it was interesting, nobody's brought up the fact that the Freemen and some of the militia up here throughout the year have stated that they thought the government was controlling the weather.
Well, it's one of the things that they're claiming, and also one of the concerns, this is published in the paper, one of the concerns was that the government was going to bombard them with high-frequency vibrations.
I debated whether I really ought to read this, whether it would be a violation of this man's security oath, but I'm not going to give his name.
Dear Art, in 1990, I was stationed aboard the USS Olette and was involved in the early stages of HARP testing.
My ship was outfitted with classified equipment by the Naval Research Labs and several NRL technicians were aboard.
Accompanying us on this mission was the submarine, the USS Queenfish.
The test took place off the coast of Alaska around May, I believe.
A special antenna system was erected fore and aft, and about 15 minutes prior to the testing, the Queenfish was ordered to submerge, and the crew of my ship was ordered below decks into quotes here, deep shelter.
Deep shelter is normally used as a defense against nuclear fallout, or EMP.
My deep shelter station was in the transmitter room of the ship's hull-mounted sonar system.
This system was offline, powered down during the test.
At test time, we suffered a massive power surge, and my transmitters lit up like a Christmas tree.
All 572 transmitter modules activated, and the pulse blew out all 572 fuses.
We were told that we were involved in missions dealing with national security.
This is the first time that I've told anyone about this.
With a power surge that strong, could it have had some adverse effect on me or the rest of the crew?
Could you please consult Dr. Begich concerning this?
Please do not mention my name on the air, and he gives his name and his position on that ship.
What does that sound like to you, sir?
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds like it.
There's no mention, though, of any physiological effects or mental effects there, though.
But I regard this as genuine, and I returned the email and asked him if he wanted to be an anonymous guest on the program.
unidentified
Well, I hope he responds.
So do I. One more thing, Art.
Do you remember when this whole thing came down, you'll find this interesting, when the whole thing came down a couple of weeks ago and they had the scuffle at the courthouse in Billings?
Somebody last week, Elizabeth, called and said if you could go 100 or 200 years into the future, would you find the Unabomber treated as a hero in the history books?
unidentified
No, because the only way we can survive is to have an alternative technology, which was already perfected by the 1970s.
It just has not been put in place because we are clinging to this defective paradigm, which I talk about all the time, which I've been stalking since the 1980s myself.
And it's really a shame that this brilliant, talented guy, and if I'd had his address, I would have written to him and asked him to join my project.
It's too bad that he put his energies into blowing people up because you cannot get rid of a defective paradigm by blowing up the people who are enrolled in it.
But my point, Art, is that if the paradigm is defective, you cannot change the paradigm by killing the people who are enrolled in that paradigm.
I mean, for example, the assumptions that are stated on this show all the time that human beings are destroying the planet, that science is evil, that technology is bad, that the world is overpopulated, none of those assumptions are true in the least.
My best evidence is Sir Joseph Needham's 12-volume brilliant study of technology and science in ancient China.
Ancient China, which has a completely different paradigm of nature and the environment than we have, developed a very sophisticated technology based on natural materials.
For example, bamboo has the tensile strength of steel.
We don't have to have this particular destructive paradigm.
I mean, we're stuck because Jesus pulled up the fig tree twice.
That's our problem.
We're enrolled in a paradigm that is not from our own classical culture, which had a very good accommodation with nature.
In our culture, four new inventions were introduced each century.
This film that was used, according to a photographic expert that I had on the program who analyzed a frame of the film, said that it had to have been exposed within two or three years of its being purchased.
But that implies a conspiracy that spans, you know, a lot of years.
unidentified
Well, if they want to test the chemical, if they want to test the film and the age of it, why didn't they test the labels that were on the can or the ink that was on the labels?
But also, probably nine out of ten, you know, the way that they do their cute little editing, and probably they edit out maybe asking him if he thinks it's fake, and I'll bet you two to one he said, yeah.
Well, gee, if that was true, then, wouldn't you think after the program, Stan Winston would have gone to all the papers and said, they took me out of context.
You said earlier in, I think, the first half hour of the show that you were wondering if the American people would back that up or not.
And I think it's pretty much a given that they won't.
But a situation like that, I don't think they're going to have a chance to basically even take a poll because this is a lot different than Bosnia because North and South Korea, well, they really have real armies.
They have armor.
They have Air Force.
It's a lot different than Bosnia.
And I think the polls for Bosnia were 2-1 against or so are ballpark.
And I think, again, it has to do with the subject material, which we don't limit to politics.
As a matter of fact, there's less and less reason like leads to talk about politics unless you can get yourself wrapped up in the Dole Clinton race.
Let's see, what are the latest polls?
They're showing Dole some, I forget how far behind, way behind.
It was like, well, I don't want to quote it and be wrong.
There was one interesting political kind of thing over the weekend.
Elizabeth Drew, author of a new book called Showdown the Struggle Between the Gingrich Congress and the Clinton White House, says the Republican Congress, despite the fact that it did not get all of its contract with America provisions through and Gingrich have won because the very philosophy of government has been changed permanently.
In other words, it will be a very long time before any president dares submit another unbalanced budget.
And that's thanks to Newt Gingrich and company.
And you will recall that our guy, our Prez, submitted first an unbalanced budget.
In fact, it was going to be unbalanced far as the eye could see, then 10 years, then 7 years.
Who do you think did that?
It was indeed Newt Gingrich, wasn't it?
Newt Gingrich now is very upset with Clinton, so much so that it was reported that Newt Gingrich no longer wants to be in his actual physical presence.
And I wasn't sure to call from west of the Rockies or east of the Rockies since the west side of town goes uphill to the Continental Divide and the east side of town goes flat all the way to the Appalachians.
We have included Colorado as west of the Rockies just for general principles.
It's not exactly the Rockies as a breakoff point anymore.
People will have to use whichever number works.
unidentified
Sounds good to me.
I first would like to compliment you on your show.
I discovered your show when I went to work off and on at KHOW in Denver for one of our hosts and have become a devotee, which keeps me awake all night, every night.
I think you're doing a magnificent job of combining technology that you've been speaking about tonight with the family feeling of the global village.
When you talk about your cats and your bent thumb and your scratches, we feel like we're in your home, and yet we have this incredible technology that's taking us all around the world.
The second thing is, I am getting my first cat in five years tomorrow since my divorce, which is going to keep me company because I used to work at a zoo and worked with snow leopards and tigers and elephants.
And that was a job I thought you would have enjoyed.
So you don't want to associate yourself with his form of liberalism?
unidentified
Not quite that far off the deep end.
However, in Boulder, we are, you know, there are a lot of people concerned with animal rights and the ecology, etc.
But the Earth-First People, I have seen a booklet that they put out that showed with diagrams how to make a landmine with a shotgun shell for dirt bikes, motorcycles.
For the Earth-First people to distance themselves from the Unabomber the way they have, they must think he must be even farther off the deep end than they are because they're a real radical bunch of, well, loonies to me.
And also, do you realize that Timothy McVeigh's trial starts here today in Denver?
Well, look, if you think you've got it bad, look at Montana.
unidentified
I love the things you read earlier, the road signs.
That's great.
Poor Montana.
would kill to scam one of your books for our radio station to pass around all right is it for sale anywhere or do i have to i i i Well, of course you can do that.
I could see what I could do for you with my publisher.
That's all I could suggest.
unidentified
There is a coterie of us at the station who are spreading the word, the Arkbell word, spreading the gospel to all our daytime hosts, saying, listen to this guy.
Listen to this guy.
This is a whole different kind of talk radio, which it is.
If you ought to see the pile, I've got about 2,000 pieces of paper in front of me.
You can actually buy my book on the internet now.
On my web page.
There's a way you can take a jump from my web page to my book page or my book part of my web page or I don't exactly know how it works, but you can go up there and actually buy the book on the web page.
Isn't that wild?
That really is pretty cool.
First time call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Yes.
I've been calling in regards to Friday's last Friday show.
What you're talking about is proof of um being able to travel out of the body and then return and having a physical occurrence or some physical proof that something happened to you while you were out there.
Hey, Art, remember the other night you asked something like, what would you do if a spaceship landed and someone came out and said, take us to your leader?
How would we respond?
In other words, who would they be taken to?
Well, for me, I'd say it's your lucky day, guys.
I was just out for a walk.
And what can I help you with?
I am a leader.
However, I've had a little trouble keeping things together here on Earth.
Could you help me out?
Jerry in Hawaii.
Oh, Jerry.
It's people like you that are going to do us in.
You're back on the air again.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi.
What I was going to ask was, like I said, I listen to you when I go to work.
Right.
And I'm in and out of my car, you know, periodically.
And I've only caught parts of your conversations with people talking about the photographs of the moon.
It just got my curiosity up when you were speaking about this, and I keep looking up at the moon and I was kind of wondering, you know, what's up there.
Well, I wish there was more I could do to help you, sir.
I appreciate your call, but that's about all we can do.
I don't know how else to get them out there.
They're up on the webpage, so if you have a friend with a computer, I suggest you get to that friend.
My Web address, and the web, by the way, is up.
Somebody sent me a fax and said the web was down.
It's not down.
It's up.
And my web address is www.artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, no space, dot com.
That's www.artbell.com.
Go up there and take a look.
Dear Art, for all their objections about technology and big government, don't the Unabomber and the Freeman sort of make the case for technology and big government?
Without them, we would not be able to find and convict nuts like these.
Lynn in North Hollywood, listening to KABC.
Art, if North Korea invades South Korea, the South is going to be defeated.
Why?
Because Bill Clinton does not trust his battlefield commanders.
North Korean and Chinese battle tactics have always been to secretly amass overwhelming forces near the borders of their enemies and then strike without warning, usually on a Korean or Chinese holiday.
Since the 1950s, the North Koreans have built thousands of miles of underground tunnels near the DMZ.
They're stocked with tanks, artillery, and troops.
These underground bases are totally equipped with electricity, kitchens, barracks, and all the amenities of home.
There may be as many as a million North Korean soldiers located in these underground bunkers and tunnels at any one time.
All of that is true.
Watch Korea carefully.
Either this is a bluff, or and even if it is a bluff, if North Korea sends more armed soldiers into the DMZ, it is my feeling that hostilities are going to resume because South Korea is saying we will shoot them.
And, you know, you know, we've visited cities since we've been out here and you feel like you're just piled on top of.
And I can understand someone withdrawing from society and like with myself at times, I have to sit back and really think about, well, when the government does something or people as a society do something, I have to sit back and think, well, how does this affect me?
How do I feel about it?
Because there are times when I don't want to have anything to do with people, and I don't want to have anything to do with the government.
And I don't want the government coming in here and saying, you do this and you do that and you live like this and you go here and you go there and you don't go here.
And that is that technology makes it possible for us to not interact or to have the choice to not interact with people one-to-one, face-to-face.
There was a time in this country where if you wanted the latest rumor, you had to go to the barbershop.
At the very least, you had to hang over your fence and talk to your next-door neighbor.
Now, the latest news, the latest rumors, the latest everything can come to you at the speed of light right into your own home in one of zillions of ways.
Interactive cable, computers, you name it, and the information is just like that, if you want it.
And it enables you to do everything you want without moving, without interacting socially.
Well, at some point, there may be trouble in River City.
and the question is if there is some sort of revolution anti-technological revolution or catastrophe that occurs what do you think will come out on the other end i'd really think on the other hand There will be survivors of whatever occurs.
And so what kind of system, what kind of government, what kind of structure, social or economic, will we have on the other side?
unidentified
I believe when that happens, I believe that's going to be the thousand-year piece that Nasr Damas talked about.
Because computers, as it is, what scares me about computers, and my aim at computers, is that the way we can, there's thefts and our ICBMs and billions of dollars are being stolen through computers.
I don't think you can read it without sitting down to do some serious questioning, and that's not to make a hero out of somebody you killed.
It's just to consider academically the statements made.
And a lot of people, even over the weekend, very thoughtful people, George Will and others, suggested Jerry Spence, others who looked at this and talked about it, suggested these are things that many Americans may agree with, this attack on technology
Oh, I said, if you want to see real poverty, look outside the U.S., profound poverty in a way that we don't begin to understand it here, yes.
unidentified
Well, what I was going to suggest, over there, when you go to court and they find you guilty and you get a death penalty like China and some of the other countries, they take you out in the bath and they shoot you in the back of the head.
You ought to see some of the birds we've got out here.
They could be aliens.
unidentified
Right.
Okay, and my point is there, why don't we have a spacecraft as big as the Earth hovering every once in a while, or maybe as small as an atom flying through our ears telling us what to do?
Why don't we have a spacecraft as large as the Earth, I think, he said, or one as small as something that would fly in your ear and tell you what to do?
Well, I don't know about the first, but maybe we already do have the second.
modes of communication possibly milk military are mapping underground tunnels and bunkers how could they map emperor But remember, to get under the Earth, it's got to first go through you.
They share one rib cage, three lungs, two hearts, one liver, two gallbladders, two stomachs, one large intestine, one small intestine, two left kidneys, one right kidney, one pelvis, one pair of ovaries, one uterus, one vagina.
God, that's incredible.
and they are normal, otherwise healthy six-year-olds.
These are...
Absolutely incredible.
And so from the neck up and some of the body, they share what looks like two legs, two arms.
So they walk normally.
And the arms function normally.
Each twin apparently able to manipulate one arm, according to the picture I've got here.
Quite amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
God, I would love to interview them.
But I would imagine their parents would not go for such a thing, although they have allowed magazines to come in now and do stories on these girls.
I really am mindful of it, and I think it might be successfully argued that for every step we take forward technologically, we take a bit of a step backward socially.
Because, oh no, I think there's a good argument there because even though we've got more information, we now have the ability never to leave home to get it.
I'm a classic example of that.
And we have less of a reason to socialize or interact with each other than ever before.
And every time we take another step forward, we slip back a little socially.
unidentified
Yeah, but what you're insinuating is that the technology is what has control, and that's not true.
You choose to stay home.
You could get in your car and go to your neighbor's house anytime you want.
But there was a day when you could go down to your local barbershop, or for you, beauty parlor, whatever, and you could get the latest news, rumors, and dirt.
You mean that civilization would be destroyed by knowledge of a superior alien race?
unidentified
Yeah, well, I just want to say, first of all, things almost 40 years old.
Things have changed a little bit.
Not only would a flying self-tarter have to land, CNN would have to cover it in full, and, you know, there'd have to be a lot of coverage for people to believe it as well.
Rick Meister Gerhardt, conservative in California.
I think that one of the most crucial and one of the most under-reported things that happened this past week has been the offing of Ron Brown.
I really do believe that since this man was in some kind of deep doo-doo to the point of which a special prosecutor had been appointed to look into his misdeeds, he was a bona fide embarrassment to the Clintonistas.
And another very mysterious fact, which has also been underreported, is that his law partner...
And his law partner was murdered in South Africa on the same day.
Another very underreported thing.
And now this guy who has the first story was that he was the air traffic controller, and the second story was that he was in charge of the maintenance of the radio navigation equipment.
He has committed suicide.
And at first we heard that there were black boxes found, and then we found out, no, there was no black box found.
From the very get-go, they said this version of the 737 does, a military version does not carry a black box.
unidentified
Well, see, that's nonsense because every 737 that leaves the Boeing factory, no matter where it's destined for, military, civil, whatever, has black boxes put in it before it goes out the door.
If you make an allegation of murder against Farrakhan or anybody else, the burden of proof is on the people making the allegation.
For example, when the state makes an allegation, they are required, through science, through investigative techniques, to go into court and, with a prosecutor, convince a jury that somebody is guilty.
And so, sir, the burden of truth, truth, yeah, truth and proof remains squarely on your shoulders, and you offered up zip.
Well, then, why are things going so socially to hell in this country where we have just about everybody has running water and electricity and the basics and a lot more, frankly, and yet things are sliding downhill?
How come?
unidentified
Well, I was looking at it more planetarian, you know, as a global thing.
Well, you know, they really don't have it right anyway when you think about it.
It should be H-F-A-A-R-P.
unidentified
Granted, and anybody who has access through the computer and the Internet and that, in a section of the paper in Anchorage Daily News, in a section called We Alaskans, just about that entire section is devoted to HARP, and it gives the pros and the cons.
It gives you both sides.
It also gives reference to Nick Begich, the author of Angels Books.
And I've got to believe that he's got a little more insight on what's going on than just say a normal guy like me who's trying to figure things out.
His father was in politics and he's aware of some of the things that they may do.
And I'm I'm kind of curious because he really takes a hard stand on some of the things that HART has the possibilities of doing and points it out in his book and also in this article in Sunday's paper.
Thank you, of the possibility of weather modification at higher power levels, the possibility of human effect.
In other words, the human brain operates, we know, at certain very low frequencies or is affected, it might be more accurate to say, by certain very low frequencies.
And the amount of radiation coming back to Earth at the higher power levels could actually affect human thought.
Yeah, but you don't really, because what you're saying is that too many people are going broke, and so the people that are going broke should not have anything taken away from them, and they can use nefarious, illegal means to keep it from happening, or stand there with guns.
unidentified
Oh, no, sir.
That's not what I'm saying.
I realize fully that they have overstepped their boundaries.
Well, look, maybe you are an expert, but there are people, I won't mention their names, who are on the radio, do radio shows, and instruct people and have little programs about how not to pay taxes.
They've been in jail.
The experts.
unidentified
Well, I know that I've seen enough evidence of people that have done this.
And all of our master files are supposedly, and I'm waiting to get mine back, but they are coded.
And unless you were born in a United States territory, which would be Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico or Guam or the like, or you are a federal government employee, you do not earn the wages that the IRS code says you earn.
You earn compensation for your labor, and it is not the same thing.
They use words of art, and that's not a pun against you, but they turn things around and they use them for their own meaning.
How come we don't just print the money and issue it ourselves?
How come we sell $1,000 bills to the Federal Reserve for $0.2.5 and then create a bond to back the borrowing of that money back again when we made it initially?
I've heard this story a million times, and you are welcome to follow that trail if you wish.
But before you get too wrapped up in watching the videos that I know you're watching and reading the books that I know you're reading, I suggest you check with a good bona fide tax person, not a government tax person, not the IRS, just a good bona fide tax accountant and tell them your story and see what they say about your chances of getting away with it.
The End West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, Art.
This is Bob from Portland, Oregon.
Hi, Bob.
I've listened to you for a couple years now and thoroughly enjoyed it.
When I was in the military, I was in the Arctic in the early 50s, right after the Korean War.
And we continually tracked all sorts of unknowns, and they used to laughingly call them hats, high-altitude carrots, in reference to that carrot out of the Howard Hawks movie, The Thing.
And what always kind of amused me, you know, you never hear anything about all this, but they had hundreds of trackings.
We were never allowed to put them in the logs.
And everybody that worked up there, it was probably six, seven hundred of us on the teams, knew about it.
And I'm just surprised, you know, the government is pretty, at that time, we were involved with the Army and the Air Force.
There was just hard rules.
You just didn't mention them.
But when our mail people would bring in, all the mail come in by helicopter.
And they would see these things would be so fast and so low that they would disturb the snow in different areas.
And the guys would be flying in and bring the mail, would say, hey, we see you've been visited again.
There'd be all sorts of streaks and stuff out in the snow.
If they think they can claim that it's not constitutional or that they are now citizens of some other sovereign entity and therefore they don't have to, and they're not going to pay taxes, and they're going to drive on the roads with their trucks, but to hell with taxes, well, that's fine.
But once the IRS gets after you, you're sort of a marked person.
And as you're pointing out, there are lots of legal ways to do it and to pay less tax or very little tax.
And all you've got to do is go get a person who knows what they're doing.
unidentified
And it's a way of raising yourself in status, too.