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April 5, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Technology, Violence, and the IRS - Open Lines

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, wherever it is you may be.
		From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the west, all the way back east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands south.
		Well into Hammond Country in South America.
		North to the Pole.
unidentified		This is coast to coast.
unidentified		Everybody, it is Good Friday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what the enterprise point that happened.
		Good Friday.
		Easter is coming Sunday.
		The weekend is here.
		Gonna be a lot of open mind pop radio all night long.
		There's somebody I've got to thank out there.
		You know, I recommended to you about a week ago the movie 7 with an asterisk warning.
		Yes, it's a rough and tumble movie, so you be warned.
		But such acting, such production.
		Got a call from Mark Sundrak at Gateway Productions.
		Thank you, Mark.
		Mark sent me an original script to the movie 7, the actual script.
unidentified		Script form used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so thank you, Mark.
		It's a great honor to have it.
		I don't know how I'm going.
		I'm going to mount it or frame it or something.
		Not exactly sure what I'm going to do with it, but I'm very honored.
		That was an incredible, absolutely incredible motion picture.
		If you get a chance to go out and read it, or maybe you already have, based on what I said last week, I'd be interested in your reaction.
		Gratuitous violence?
		I don't think so.
		a whale of a story to be sure one of the most tense uh...
		well you know i see fun from So thank you, Mark.
		The Unibomber.
		Theodore Kaczynski is now in a Helena, Montana jail.
		The FBI going very carefully, bit by bit, through his small cabin and his whole past.
		He waived hearings that would have put everything on a fast track.
		And so it looks like it'll be a while before we see him in front of a grand jury.
		Allegedly, he killed and evaded capture for 17 years, a math professor turned recluse.
		They're looking very carefully at hotel records.
		It seems on 25 occasions since 1982, he went to a Helena hotel.
		On many occasions, right after the stay, they're able to document bombs exploded, killing or maiming people.
		The postmarks on the bombs were never from Montana, but from various places, usually California.
		He bought obscure books and read them while he was there.
		But the big break of the day appears to be one of the manual typewriters at that little cabin, according to the FBI, would appear to be a match for the one used to type his manifesto.
		There was a $1 million reward for his capture.
		No word on whether it's going to go to the family.
		And again, the reason I am now and have always been interested in the Unibomber is his message.
		I read the manifesto.
		Did you?
		He rages against modern technology.
		The very kind of things that I'm using here.
		And I have questions.
		We talked about this yesterday about technology.
		And I wonder if it's moving just a bit faster than society's ability to assimilate it.
		Anyway, with what we know of the Unabomber, he lived the life he preached.
		Little cabin, broken-down bicycle, no plumbing, no electricity, an outhouse, a very austere life indeed.
		So there you've got it.
		I don't know that he had it all wrong about technology.
		He certainly didn't have it all right either.
		And the manner of the message, no matter the argument, was of course wrong.
		Still looking at the plane crash into Brovnik, it looks simply like a wrong turn on approach in bad weather.
		You're supposed to go to right, I guess, in bad weather.
		If you cannot see the airport, he went left, which took him into a mountain and hence the loss.
		Our president in Oklahoma City, marking not quite the day, but observing the day ahead of time, because on April 19th, our president is going to be in Russia.
		So he went to Oklahoma City, where people are still trying to recover from the bomb, visited relatives and survivors.
		And this is, of course, that terrible month.
		And just about every year, something awful happens in April.
		Do you expect it this year?
		Do you think something awful is going to happen this year?
		And then, although I'm not getting it, I am going to deal With it.
		Art, please do yourself a favor.
		Set your VCR to tape the replay of Larry King at 11 o'clock tonight.
		No, you don't usually watch him.
		But you'll really enjoy tonight's surprise interview with Marlon Brando.
		Brando actually asked for the interview himself so he could comment on the Riverside police beating incident and violence in general.
		He was usually very unusually passionate, has invited the woman who was beaten to come live in his home with her husband and children.
		He also, get this now, he also urged research into genetic engineering in order to remove violence from the human species.
		Wow.
		Research into genetic engineering in order to remove violence from the human species.
		Now, isn't that interesting?
		Do you think we should or if we could?
		Now, throughout, I guess, man's existence, we have tried various methods of modifying man.
		We have drilled holes into the brain.
		We've done lobotomies, leaving people sort of former shadows of themselves.
		But the real key, Brando's right about that, probably lies in genetics, wouldn't you think?
	But the question is, if you remove, well, that is a good question.
	You tell me, what do you think would happen if somehow, genetically, we actually managed to remove man's violent nature?
	Now, my bet is that a lot more would go with it.
	In other words, what would be left of man, with his violent nature gone, might be very, very different.
	We might all be walking around, holding hands, giving each other flowers, sort of staring blankly past each other most times with a big, dumb smile on our faces.
	So I'm going to ask you, what do you think?
	First of all, do you think it is a good idea to endeavor to pursue such research?
	And if we did find the key, would you go for it?
	I know a lot of angry people, people with flash tempers.
	Boy, we could just take the edge right off them, couldn't we?
	So anyway, Marlon Brando wants research into all of that.
	Senate Republican leader Dole Friday urged the Senate to probe the news report that President Clinton approved covert Iranian arms shipments to Bosnia in 1994 despite a U.S. arms embargo.
	Dole said the reports raised doubts about whether laws were broken and a covert operation was conducted.
	So there you are.
	That report began breaking last night.
	Key defense prosecution witness in the Whitewater-related trial down in Little Rock admitted on the stand Friday he consulted with both a white supremacist and an organization that opposed Bill Clinton's presidential run before making allegations against Clinton.
	A 72-year-old Nobel Prize winner was charged Friday with sexually abusing a 15-year-old boy that he brought to the U.S. from Micronesia.
	Daniel Carlton Gogitisk, I believe it is, was arrested in Maryland after an investigation begun by the FBI last year into his relationship with children that he brought to the U.S. from the Pacific Ocean Island Group.
	Incredible.
	Just incredible.
	The Freemen, no resolution.
	Second day of negotiating.
	Everybody tight-lipped.
	No word on what was said.
	Doesn't have to end badly, so we'll hope that one comes to some sort of resolution.
	And again, an interesting story.
	X-rays were detected from comet Hayukaki, I believe it is, Hayukataki.
	That's it, as it passed Earth.
	X-rays have never been detected from a comet or asteroid before.
	So this is something completely new.
	Art, I know you've got some technical background, so you probably also know it takes a damn energetic process, such as electrons slamming into a target at very high velocity, or nuclear process, to generate x-rays.
	Yes, I don't have the answer to that yet, and either I might add, do they?
	I now have for you 21 ways to cope with stress.
	Do you have stress?
	I certainly do.
	And here they come.
	21.
	Make up a language and ask people for directions.
	Make up your own language, then go around and ask people for directions.
	Stare at people through the tines of a fork and pretend they're in jail.
	Write a short story using alphabet soup.
	Braid the hairs in each nostril.
	Start a rumor and see if you recognize it when it comes back to you.
	Read the dictionary upside down.
	Look for secret messages.
	Polish your car with Earwax.
	Find out what a frog in a blender really looks like.
unidentified		Drive to work in reverse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pay your electric bill in pennies.
		Go shopping, buy everything.
		Sweat in it.
		Return the next day.
		Tattoo out to lunch on your forehead.
		Leaf through the National Geographic and draw underwear on the natives.
		Fill out your tax forms using Roman numerals.
		Put your toddlers' clothes on backwards and send them off to preschool as if nothing is wrong.
		Dance naked in front of your pets.
		Make a list of things to do that you've already done.
		When someone says, have a nice day, tell them you have other plans.
		Pop some popcorn without putting the lid on.
		Use your master card to pay your Visa card and vice versa.
		And then finally, jam miniature marshmallows up your nose and sneeze them out.
		See how many you can do at once.
		That's 21 ways to cope with stress, which Doc Berry down in Phoenix has.
		He points out the 1,500 pounds of fuel rods, we get a report every day from Doc on this, which were to be raised from their stuck position today are again reported as still stuck.
		The alarms that sounded yesterday at unit number two of Palos Verde's nuclear plant were reported as being unrelated to the stuck fuel rod problem.
		On day 15 of this, quote, slight, end quote, problem, with, quote, no danger to the public, end quote, and alarm bells indicating only a minor electrical box fire in the control room, we can review the public relations assault, or we can view it as similar to Three Mile Island.
		Watch for glowing cats.
		Dock downwind in Phoenix.
		So who knows what the night tonight is going to bring?
		But in short order, we will find out.
		Here come the telephone numbers.
		If you are a first-time caller to the program, you can reach us at area code 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		The wildcard direct aisle lines, area code 702-727-1295.
		702-727-1295.
		West of the Rockies, 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		Now, the International Toll-Free Line is also open, so no matter where you are in the world, in South America, Central America, Asia, Europe, whatever, you can call us completely toll-free.
		Now, here's how you do it.
		You go and pick up the telephone and get the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number.
		When you have that in your hot little palm, you call it or get hold of the AT ⁇ T operator and simply dial 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903.
		And you know what we're going to do?
		And again, I want to thank AT ⁇ T. I mean, it was an astounding feat.
		There was no such thing.
		We thought there was.
		We went to them and said, hey, we would sure like to have an international toll-free line.
		And they said, well, we'll look into it.
		They came back and said, well, there is no such thing.
		Never has been.
		You might get it from one country, but there is no such thing as a toll-free line.
		And so they went to work.
		The biggest, the brightest, the best of their people, software, hardware, they did a tremendous amount of work and actually established the first international toll-free line ever done for anybody anywhere in the world.
		We've got it.
		Now, we figured out a way to make more use of it.
		Tell you a little secret.
		We're working on shortwave.
		No surprise there, huh?
		Next logical evolution.
		But here's what we're talking about doing.
		I'll tell you a little about shortwave.
		There is domestic shortwave.
		There are several stations scattered throughout the U.S. that transmit on shortwave.
		But as a general rule, they run for shortwave what is relatively low power.
		100,000 watts, 150,000, 250,000 maybe at the most.
		But in the world of shortwave, commercially, that's low power.
		And we think that we may have figured out a way to find a station that runs, say, a million watts.
		Now, when I come back from the break, I'll tell you all about that.
		But that is what we're working on.
	And wouldn't that make the international line all the more fun?
	Can you imagine that, say, a million watts on shortwave?
	Let me tell you.
	That the hams will tell you, definitely gets out.
	You put about a million watts or several million on the air, eight to nine megahertz, and you're heard like a local worldwide.
	Having said that, I'll tell you all about it when we come back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
		She's coming in 1235.
		The moon and queens reflect the stars that guide the twists of Baita.
		I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient melodies.
		She turned to me as if...
		You're listening.
		to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Anyway, to finish up on the shortwave, I've been wanting to report this to you for a long time, and finally we're going to get around to getting serious about it.
		As I said, domestic U.S. shortwave stations don't run a lot of power as power goes for shortwave.
		Now, the Eastern Communist bloc has broken up, as you're well aware.
		There are countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, some of the Russian republics that have extremely strong shortwave transmitters.
		The only problem is they're out of range to pick up any of our domestic satellite signals.
		By the way, for those of you that have DISHE, we do have an analog feed up for DISH people, which is on SATCOM F1, SATCOM F1 Transponder 5, 5.8 wideband audio.
		Just thought I'd drop that in for you.
		But there is no way to get the signal to the European continent.
		So what we're going to do, we think, is to hop Scotch over on a mid-Atlantic satellite and deliver a signal to one of these gazillion-watt transmitters somewhere in Eastern Europe and go up on short wave with a very, very, very powerful signal.
		That is the tentative plan.
		Now, the specifics we don't have yet, but we're going to work on it very hard.
		And that should be a lot of fun.
		So I thought I would let you know about that and what our plans are.
		And those of you that are shortwave listeners probably understand what I'm talking about.
		You may have some particular recommendations of stations that you think are most widely heard.
		But that's planned.
		Pretty cool, huh?
		Anyway, don't forget our international line.
		If you can hear us out there via the internet.
		And of course, don't forget all those new photographs on my webpage, including that piece from Roswell.
		My webpage is www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell.com.
		And there you can also hear real audio via WPSL in Port St. Lucie, Florida, and the mighty WOAI in San Antonio, Texas.
		So if you're anywhere in the world listening to all of that and you want to call us, again, your AT ⁇ T USA direct number, followed by 800-893-0903.
		Pass that number around.
		800-893-0903.
		Toll-free.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was just wondering what your opinion is on the conditions up in Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which conditions do you speak of?
unidentified		I am talking about the Unabomber and the Aryan Nation or not the Aryan nations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the free men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of...
unidentified		Yeah, but not much.
unidentified		But my question is, do you think that the Aryan or the Freeman will give up freely?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will give up freely?
		Yeah.
		I don't have the slightest idea, my friend.
		Thank you.
		Do I know how it's going to resolve itself?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think I would do if I were the Freeman and I wanted to register a protest?
		i'd probably tell the f_b_i_ we will walk out april nineteen How about that?
		But more specifically, how many of you are concerned about April 19th?
		I thought I'd be the first one to ask.
		Do you expect something more this year?
		April 19th.
		It's been a rough day since Waco.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm calling from Colby, Kansas, and I'm listening out of Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, it's a great idea going on shortwave.
unidentified		I like to do shortwave all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any preferences?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm talking about, don't you, when I say that domestic shortwave is okay, but the big powerhouses are in the former communist Eastern Bloc countries.
unidentified		Yeah, I've heard they have the super huge stations that they used to block messages from the West.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that, plus issue their own propaganda.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But see, they don't have a lot to do these days.
		And, you know, you can get to them pretty reasonably.
		So that was our idea.
unidentified		Yeah, and they probably need the cash, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good old hard U.S. currency.
unidentified		Art, I was wondering, have you ever had the author by the name of Danikin on your show that wrote like Chariots of the Gods?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not.
unidentified		I don't know if you've read his books, but he goes into the ancient Mine and Inc.
		civilizations.
		And maybe some of your listeners might want to take a look at some of his books, like some of the gold that they used.
		And the images on them depict people from outer space that they say visited them a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And one of the symbols associated with all these visitors is the shape of a snake.
unidentified		And I was just wondering if maybe in Genesis where it says Satan entered into the serpent, maybe that's connected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe so.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I don't know.
		I have no way of knowing.
		Dear Art, something's fishy in Montana.
		It was reported the suspected Unibomber had no electricity, and yet they supposedly found drills in the cabin.
		Electric drills?
		You may say they were battery-operated drills.
		But how could they be recharged?
		A generator?
		They said he had no electricity.
		It just doesn't fit.
		That's from Johnny.
		Interesting note.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Everybody from Frederick, Maryland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frederick, Maryland, yes, sir.
unidentified		I called the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sure did.
unidentified		I just got a notice from the IRS.
unidentified		Thought I'd read it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Might get a kick out of this.
		Okay.
		There's a registered letter in my P.O. box.
		Went up there very nervously and got it.
		It was shaken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Who wants to get a registered letter from the IRS?
		Yes.
unidentified		Exactly.
		I'm not going to say the name of my company, but if you intend to levy, respond now.
		The amount you owe us is 87 cents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You owe them 87 cents?
		Yes, sir.
		And they're going to levy you for this?
unidentified		Yes, this is a formal notice of our intent to levy, in parentheses, seize your property or the rights to it to pay the tax you owe.
		I figured maybe I'd send them like a box of paperclips.
		Maybe they could auction it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do that if I were.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		I'm not going to unless it's on the 80s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would send them a whole dollar and tell them to keep the change.
unidentified		Well, no, I won't get any interest on that 13 cents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		I thought maybe you'd like to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is cute.
		Do by all means send in the 87 cents.
		They're probably not kidding.
		The way our government works, there would be agents with chains and locks, and you'd go in, and for 87 cents, you'd lose your business.
unidentified		Well, I drive a truck.
unidentified		It's worth about $100,000, and they probably fees it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They put a chain around it so you couldn't open the door.
		All right, thank you very much for the call.
		87 cents.
		People are obviously beginning to sit down and do their taxes.
		I've got another one over here that I'll read you here in a bit.
		But I find that at about this time of year, I begin encountering very unhappy people as they begin to do their taxes.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
unidentified		This is Victor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call Well I Know.
unidentified		Hi, Victor.
unidentified		Listen, I have a real problem with this North Korea, the way they're treading water with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all right i'll tell you something about north korea uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it has been No, this is the fake art bell.
unidentified		Well, gosh darn it.
unidentified		I've been trying to get through the real one for the last two years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's not available.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to have to talk to me.
unidentified		All right, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Now, on North Korea, the BBC has been leading their news with this story for some time.
		And I'm still not exactly sure what it's all about.
		North Korea is saying something about either they will not maintain their portion of the DMZ any longer, not that I thought they did, or they're saying they will not respect it, or I'm not quite sure what they're saying.
		And they tried to say they were doing this with the understanding of the U.S., which we have denied.
unidentified		Can I ask you something, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about it?
unidentified		Well, I've got a feeling that it has a tie-in with China, losing face on Taiwan.
unidentified		Now, I think that there's a possibility that China might be putting Korea up to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
unidentified		More than likely for retrieving face and possibly escalating what's going on over there right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Retrieving face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I've heard save face, but.
unidentified		Well, they have to retrieve it in order to save it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good term, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you know what, Arthur?
unidentified		I like this show, and I like you, guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
		Retrieving face.
		They've got a retrieved face.
		That's a new one.
		I kind of like it.
		Face retrieval, as opposed to saving.
		I guess it is saved when it is retrieved.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello again, Art.
		Hi.
		This is Gina from Pasadena.
		And I'm lucky I managed to get through twice.
		I'm amazed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		Regarding the new $100 bills, by the way, you are correct.
unidentified		They are ugly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My mom had one, and she wanted to specifically show it to me.
		That thing just doesn't look right.
		I don't know if you heard it.
		It was on the local all-news station out here in L.A. that somebody on the East Coast, a teenager know left, with a laser printer and a computer has already beaten it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I heard that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess the kid printed the new bills, and his dad got arrested for trying to spend one or something.
unidentified		Yeah, his uncle was a good one.
		His uncle, a bummer.
		Also, I wanted to put this in your category under proof of the quickening, I guess.
		The two cases, two of the places with some of the strictest gun laws in the world have now both had mass murders.
		The place in Scotland and British Columbia just had one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you don't have to just look there.
		Thank you very much.
		Look at our own cities.
		In the places where we have got the strictest gun laws, Washington, D.C., can't have a handgun there.
		New York, New York City, can't have one there.
		California's got stricter than average laws.
		And all of these places lead the crime stats.
		That goes back to yesterday's discussion about why we have crime.
		Somebody was trying to tell me if only we'd spend more billions of dollars, more money, we wouldn't have crime.
		Baloney.
		I say, baloney, around the world in lots of third world nations, which I said yesterday, you will find crushing, profound poverty.
		Hillsides with people living in tiny, ramshackle affairs that fall down when it rains hard.
		I mean real poverty.
		Crunching, grinding poverty, as we don't know here.
		And yet, without basically a lot of crime.
		How can that be?
		If money is the factor that lessens crime, well then the U.S., with its relative rich people, shouldn't have very much crime.
		And yet we do.
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm so glad you're going short waves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, isn't that cool?
unidentified		I love it.
		I called Portland about two months ago and asked if they could put you short waves.
		And they said, no, it was too much money.
		And now I can listen to you on short waves.
		So it's going to be wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's still in the planning stage.
unidentified		Well, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we're going to do it, we think, the right way.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It's wonderful art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that'll be a lot of fun.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, take care.
		You know, for me, it's a lot of fun anyway.
		I mean, I love radio.
		I'm a ham.
		Being on here is like ham radio.
		I mean, we hear from all over the country, all over the world.
		And say a million or two watts on shortwave, why, that'll be even more fun.
		You've got to have fun doing what you do, and I do have fun doing this, and I can just imagine, boy, can you imagine that?
		A million watts, two million watts on eight or nine megahertz.
		The hams out there will drool.
		They know what that means.
		Then during the day, if it's during the daylight cycle, which it would be in other parts of the world, maybe we'll go up, move up toward 12 megahertz in that area, 15 perhaps.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Geez, I got it right in, Art.
unidentified		This is Dan in the U district.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can do it, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Good.
		I never get tired of these updates on the cats.
		I'm a huge animal lover, and I'm really glad that Comet is starting to come around.
		And I was wondering if have you tried holding food out to him to see if he'll come to you or eat out of your hand or anything yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say fruit?
unidentified		No, food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Food?
		Yeah.
		No, I've become rather possessive of my hand.
		And it's healing now, and I have no desire to send it through another cycle.
		So I'm going to let Comet come to me.
		And he slowly is venturing forth.
		It is the most amazing thing that you've ever seen in your whole life.
		Watching a completely wild animal begin to say to himself, hmm, eternal food.
		What an interesting concept.
		Eternal water.
		Eternal soft places to sleep.
		Hmm, perhaps this will be all right.
		You know, from that first, I'll kill anybody who gets in my way kind of reaction.
unidentified		Sure.
		Yeah, it's really neat to see that happen.
		And you're to be commended for doing that and putting up with all the, you know, the pain that goes with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No pain, no gain.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
		If you ever get bit or scratched again, have you ever tried increasing your dosage of vitamin C?
		It seems to help cuts heal quicker, especially ester seed, which will absorb quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good idea, but in my case, what I needed was immediate massive antibiotics.
		Thanks, Dan.
		I appreciate the call.
		And I appreciate the tip on vitamin C. My hand began to, well, it got about twice its normal size, so it became imperative, and I went down and got all the appropriate shots in inappropriate places.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Dave in Polesville, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		Hey, I got a couple comments for you.
		We were, you know, all week we've been talking about, like, the Freemen, and I was wondering, like, you know, if it was a Hells Angels, Ku Klux Klan, you know, how much tolerance would we have for them if all of a sudden the Hells Angels said, hey, we're a patriot, you know, how much tolerance would we have for them?
		We wouldn't have any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my opinion, that's exactly what's occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, these men have done things that are not legal, it is alleged, and I believe.
unidentified		I believe too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are cloaking themselves in this word patriot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, patriot.
unidentified		You know, the Crips, the Bloods, and all the rest of them ought to say, well, we're the Crip Patriots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's why I began to try and define the word patriot the other night, exactly what it means and what it doesn't mean.
unidentified		That's it.
		It's not these kooks and things.
		You know, these people that call out and say, well, I'm a good Christian, and, you know, God says, thou shalt not kill.
		Well, they go out and eat, you know, their hamburgers.
		God is in the Bible doesn't say thou shalt not kill just humans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't start.
unidentified		And some of them get pretty wild about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't start the religious people marching on me against you.
unidentified		Oh, well, you had such a good night with them the other night.
		I figured that, you know, maybe we'd bring them up.
		One more thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, many people forget that Native Americans were the ones that came up with the Constitution.
		You know, if you look back in history, the Cherokee people had a Constitution that almost mimicked our Constitution, and they believed in, you know, freedom is one of the highest things that they believe in in their Constitution.
		People forget about that and say, you know, things derogatory about Native American Indians.
		And I think that people ought to look back and take a look at that a little bit stronger.
		I enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thank you for the call, my friend.
		I think freedom is hardly an original concept.
		I think freedom is probably as basic a part of our longings and wants and natural needs and all the rest of it as any human aspiration that has ever been.
		Don't you suppose that would be true?
		What do you think about Mr. Brando's idea of breeding or discovering a genetic way to take violence out of man?
		My question for you is, if they did that, do you think that more than just our violent nature would go?
		Wouldn't it sort of take the edge off altogether?
		We'll be back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		It's good to be here, everybody.
		As usual, off on kind of a weird track.
		Listen, before I get back onto it, don't forget our international line is open.
		Just get the AT ⁇ T operator in the country in which you reside for the AT ⁇ T direct access number for America and call 800-893-0903.
		That's our number.
		And we'll take your call from anywhere in the world.
		And we have plans.
		Art, please do yourself a favor and set your VCR, which I didn't for Larry King.
		But I'm using what Rick and Reno sent to me.
		He said Marlon Brando asked for the interview so he could comment on the Riverside police beating incident and violence in general.
		He was unusually passionate and has invited the woman who was beaten to come live in his home with a husband and children.
		Also urged, this is the part I want to talk about.
		He urged research into genetic engineering in order to remove violence from the human species.
		You might be able to do that.
		Though it is worth noting that if you found a way to remove violence, you probably also could enhance violence.
		Couldn't you?
		I don't know.
		It was like a little lever whether you can push it to the plus side or pull it down to the minus side.
		I guess on the minus side they would have all regular citizens walking around sort of smiling blandly, staring into the distance, handing each other flowers.
		Talking about how we're all in this together.
		One world for all.
		Yes.
		There wouldn't be that much passion, they'd say one world for all.
		But they'd mean it.
		There'd be no violence.
		But you know what?
		There might be no passion.
		No jealousy.
		No envy.
		No drive.
		All that might go too.
		Wonder if they thought about that.
		Or as I said, they might move the other way around.
		Genetic research To remove violent genes from humans get real.
		In other words, let us create a man who will never complain about work hours, blindly accept whatever those who understand force tell them, and willingly submit their lives, their wives, and themselves to what?
		Would you call such a thing life?
		Freedom?
		Not me, baby.
		Jefferson said it best.
		Those who are willing to give up their liberties for some measure of permanent or temporary safety deserve neither.
unidentified		Sheesh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Signed IM.
		And then this IART, a million watts on short wave.
		Why mess around with such small stuff?
		Buy transmitter time on HARP from Keith in Magnetic Volcano, wherever that is.
		Magnetic, oh, I guess Volcano, California.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be an idea.
		Buy transmitter time on harp.
		What we're talking about doing, what brought this on for those of you who joined us at this hour, is we've got a project underway.
		Now that we have got the international line, we're going to be a little more international given a little time here.
		How's this for a project?
		Instead of going for a domestic U.S. shortwave transmitter, we're going to try to figure a way to jump the Atlantic on what's called a subcarrier on a satellite, mid-Atlantic satellite, dump a signal down into Poland or Czechoslovakia or one of the Russian republics, independent now.
		You see, they had all these great big million and multiple million watt transmitters, and they don't have a lot to do with them anymore.
		They didn't need to jam us.
		And they hardly even need to pump their own propaganda out anymore because, well, they've become little teddy bears.
		So we thought we'd get some time and run the program on short wave, but add a million or two watts out of Europe.
		How does that sound?
		So that is the project.
		I want to give, as well as AT ⁇ T, I've got a lot of people to give credit to for establishing the phone line.
		AT ⁇ T really just did an incredible job.
		I've got to give credit to the people at my network, too.
		They're every bit as crazy and adventuresome as I am.
		And so we have these crazy ideas, and they just jump right out and say, okay, yeah, it sounds cool.
		Let's do it.
		And so, you know, they're those kind of people.
		And that, to a large degree, also accounts for the success that we have enjoyed here.
		You know, you don't get anywhere in life by not taking a risk every now and then.
		That is unless Marlon has it all bred out of us or has the little genetic switch yanked out of us that'll turn us all into happy little campers.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling about Comet, your cat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Comet, my cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Have you tried the butter treatment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you kidding?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean the buttered bread experiment?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
unidentified		Well, have I got the right show?
		Yes.
		I've got a cat by the name of Comet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's here, but he won't talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have the right show.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What butter experiment?
unidentified		Butter treatment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What butter treatment?
unidentified		You take the butter and rub it on the paws of the front paws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah?
unidentified		Anytime you move a cat from one strange location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To another, huh?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		When you get to the new location?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, dear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know where you are, but try and make it.
unidentified		I'm from Page, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well you try and make it here and I'll let you put on the butter and I'll watch.
unidentified		Oh, I've had cats for 30 years and every time I move them from one place to another...
unidentified		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's never, it doesn't know human beings, and it doesn't seem to much like them right now, either.
unidentified		You take it.
unidentified		Then you can't wrap a towel around me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose you could, but I wouldn't be the one to try it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a hand that still is not right.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		I tried to get you earlier when you first got the cat, but couldn't get through.
unidentified		Too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'll look forward to you coming this way.
		I would enjoy watching you take a stick of butter to my cat's feet.
		Maybe you could butter up all four claws and skid them across the kitchen floor.
		That'd be fun to watch.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, this is Bob from Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		Hey, I just started listening to your show the last couple months, and that Dreamland show is just, it's hilarious.
unidentified		I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad for whatever, whether you laugh or cry or get excited, that's what it's all about.
		In fact, all my programs are.
		You know, we're not here to do the normal.
		We're fairly abynormal.
unidentified		Well, I was just wondering if you've ever thought to maybe having a show during the middle of the week, too, like on Wednesday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One Dreamland a week is what you get.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate it.
		I work third shift in a factory by myself at night, and it keeps me up.
		I really enjoy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, my friend.
		Take care.
		Of course, we touch on a lot of those topics here.
		But One Dreamland a show once a week is enough.
		That keeps me busy a total of six nights a week.
		That's quite a schedule.
		Therefore, all I have left is my Saturdays.
		Except when we have an occasional holiday.
		And such is going to be the case this Sunday being Easter.
		I will not be here for Dreamland.
		But I'm going to tell you what we are going to do.
		We're going to repeat the Travis Walton interview.
		Now, Travis Walton is probably the most famous abduction case.
		It was the one that brought on a HBO movie, you may recall.
		Well, if you want the real story of what happened with Travis Walton, we'll have him, we'll have his boss, you recall from the movie, they were out doing contract work and cutting lumber.
		And there's quite a story in this.
		And so his boss and Travis Walton, both on Dreamland this coming Sunday.
		Don't miss it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Ann calling from Scottsdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Anne.
unidentified		Hi.
		I know you're talking about this comment by Marlon Brando about developing the genetic way around violence.
		Yes.
		And, you know, so many things are connected to the aggressive instinct in males in particular.
		I remember a study they had done a number of years ago on marijuana smokers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are very sedate, generally.
unidentified		Very passive, and these men actually developed breasts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that.
unidentified		Yes.
		But I wanted to talk about something else.
		Good.
		One night you had what if?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we never even really got all the way through that, so if anybody wants to do it again, here we are.
		I love what ifs.
		I love them.
unidentified		I did too.
unidentified		And I thought of something that was really dynamic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that is, what if?
		Well, let me preface this.
		I had read a story a number of years ago about World War I, how the Germans had taken a projector and they had gone into the small French town and projected an image of the Blessed Mother.
		And the French soldiers dropped their guns upon seeing this image.
		And so it was like an instant surrender on their part.
		And I wondered with our technology and holographic imagery, if they, for example, projected the image of Christ as it's predicted in the Bible, coming from east to west, how some evil force could manipulate people with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I must admit, if the image of Christ were to suddenly appear in the heavens, it would get to me, too.
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can be impressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, wouldn't that impress you?
unidentified		Yes, it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		Your what-if is a pretty good one.
		Could it be used to manipulate people?
		Sure.
		Of course.
		After all, let's face it, religion for the good or the bad, and I'm not saying which right now, probably both at times, manipulates people in their actions, in their thinking.
		So would that be powerful?
		Yes, potentially it would.
		In this modern technological age, though, if it was a projection, it would be, you know, very quickly proven to be exactly that.
		Now, if an image appeared that they could not prove was being projected, now you've got something.
		How would people react to that?
		I don't know.
		I have no idea.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Brian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brian.
unidentified		I'm calling from Houston, Texas.
		Yes, sir.
		And earlier in the show, you mentioned that you wanted domestic shortwave stations that might be a good fit for you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you weren't listening.
unidentified		No, you mentioned international, but you also said if we had any domestic ones in mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
unidentified		You didn't?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what I was asking was any of the good international ones.
		You see, domestically, they run low power compared to what they're running out of Eastern Europe.
		I mean, there we can go millions of watts, and it just burns into everywhere.
		Even when the ionosphere is in poor condition, they run so much power, they're like HARP plus 2, and they just blast.
		So we were talking about Radio Poland, for example.
		Russia, maybe Moscow.
		I don't know that they do contractual work, but they might.
		There's a lot of them.
		So that's what we're thinking.
unidentified		Okay, that's a great idea.
		But can I talk about one other subject real quick?
		Okay, I'd like to talk about that beating in California, about illegal alien.
		Yes.
		I really don't see as much wrong with it as most other people see.
		You know, they only show the beating and the bad parts.
		They don't show what happened before with the 100-mile chase, I mean the 100-mile per hour chase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And the cop car that they showed was all the windshield was broken and the lights were torn off because these people were throwing then there is nothing that occurred before that would justify, under those circumstances, a beating.
		Even if it does in our minds and say, well, the son of a gun's deserved what they got, that doesn't mean they should have gotten it.
		Now, if they gave those cops one bit of trouble, then yes, but there's no sign of that.
unidentified		Well, I see your point.
		You're probably right.
		It's just I'm probably prejudiced having grown up here in Houston where...
		Yeah, I'm thrown up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everybody has a right to be angry about this.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I understand people feel inside, well, good.
		I'm glad they beat the, you know, what out of them.
		Maybe it'll teach them all a lesson down there or something.
		There is that anger.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, no, it's not justified because the problem is next time, Brian, it might be you.
		And I doubt that you'd feel it was justified if you were stopped, you know, for a ticket.
		And they beat the hell out of you.
		Your attitude would be very different.
		On our first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		I'm calling from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just wanted to share an experience that I had recently that's partially due to you that pretty much changed my life I thought you might be interested in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I was driving home, I guess, two, three months ago, late, and I was listening to your show.
unidentified		You had a man on who was talking about remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Ed Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major.
unidentified		Right.
		Major Ed Dames.
		Mm-hmm.
		And it had reminded me about a book that I had read a few years back called The Mind Race.
		And that had detailed some of the research up at Stanford Research Institute.
		And so it got me interested again.
		And I started doing some research.
		Right.
		And found a guy on the Internet who was in the military unit who teaches this now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And scheduled some classes with him.
		And actually went back and took the classes.
		And I just thought you might be interested in that.
		might want to know how it went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did it go?
unidentified		It works.
unidentified		I'm the kind of person who likes to try to try things out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what are you able to do?
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you, it's different than I think what most people imagine it to be.
		You don't go into a trance, nothing like that.
		In fact, you can be sitting there talking with people.
		You get up and take breaks and things.
		You're basically sitting there with a pen and paper writing down the impressions that you get.
		And we just practice with targets that are placed into manila envelopes.
		You know, they're just photographs that I guess they're cut out of magazines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the far end of this, do you believe it possible for people to affect the minds or the thinking of others at a distance?
unidentified		gosh you know i i would say that i'm probably not as qualified as you'd want me to be to answer that um...
		i i've heard and discussed with uh...
		uh...
		his name's lynn buchanan the man I've got a break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to hold on?
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Stay right where you are and think.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
		Coast AM from April
		5th, 1996.
		Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, I am here.
		Good morning.
		Friday night, Saturday morning underway.
		The night is yours.
		Here we have a student.
		Student of, well, what?
		What do you officially call what you do, sir?
unidentified		It goes under a couple different names.
unidentified		Mr. Buchanan calls it controlled remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Controlled remote viewing.
unidentified		Which is really pretty, I'd say an apt title for it because it really is under a very controlled environment that you do this.
		In response to the question you asked me before the break, I was thinking about it a little bit, and I guess the best way to answer it is I'm not the best way to answer it because of the nature of learning remote viewing.
		It's kind of akin to like learning to play the piano.
		You first learn to do your scales and practice.
		And at first you're hitting all the wrong notes.
		And then slowly you start to be able to play Mary Had a Little Lamb or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It takes a long time to become a very, very good analogy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just wonder if one who is particularly gifted or adept, one who could play in front of a gigantic audience in New York, you know, at a major something or another, if that level of player might be able to affect the thinking of another?
unidentified		I will tell you that I've discussed it with people.
		I've heard that that has been tried and in some cases has been effective.
		I can't tell you from a personal experience that.
		I can tell you that from my experience, I was about as psychic as a stone.
		I'm a very curious person.
		And I'm just a normal person, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Wasn't in the military unit or anything.
unidentified		And within the first day, I was getting aspects of targets that were more than pure chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, look, I appreciate it.
		I really appreciate the call.
		I wonder why they call them targets.
		Targets.
		You would think there would be another word that would more aptly describe somebody whose thinking you're trying to discern.
		Hi, Art.
		Subject short wave from Dennis in Kansas City.
		Art, forget all those Eastern European transmitters.
		Go out and build your own on top of Everest with 666 million watts and blow everybody away.
		After all, you are the Antichrist, right?
		Grin.
		Subject Brando.
		Sounds like Brando wants to make mankind an offer they cannot refuse.
		Talk about ultimate control.
		I'm sure any government would love to have such technology.
		Complete mind control is what it would be, with never any fear that people would rebel.
		Isn't that ever so true?
		Marlon Brando, again, talking about genetic research to remove violent tendencies from mankind.
		What do you think about that idea?
		Personally, it's what I think.
		In other words, I think with violence would go a lot of other characteristics that many of us cherish.
		Drive, productivity, emotion.
		It would take, wouldn't it sort of take the edge off just about all emotions?
		Maybe even love.
		Passion.
		Wouldn't all of that go with violent tendencies?
		Doesn't it sort of all mesh together in some God-given way?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art Bell.
		Yes.
		This is Dan the Man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Calling from the backyard of Area 51, Las Vegas, KVEG.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, the mighty KVEG 840.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		The point I wanted to bring up was about that man that had called earlier about getting that IRS levy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Let me explain a couple of things about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to close his business up for 87 cents.
unidentified		Right.
		Yeah, something silly like that.
		I mean, for that, you just pay the 87 cents and let it go.
		But for other people that have a little bit more of a problem, okay, this is the way it goes.
		First off, any levies that you get from the IRS have to be registered with the Secretary of State.
		Okay?
		And if you check, most of them will not be.
		As a matter of fact, none of them will be registered with the Secretary of State.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the IRS, to a large degree, operates on tactics of intimidation and fear, frankly.
unidentified		Fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and they do a lot of things just based on bluff.
		And sure, all of that is absolutely true.
		I mean, it's the only way they can operate.
		There are too many people in this country for them to do anything else.
unidentified		Okay, well, let me give you proof right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to give me proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it's true.
unidentified		Okay, well, for the people that don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they know because I say so.
		I mean, I really do know it's true, sir.
		They don't back it up with anything, but they assume that when you get the letter, you'll jump.
unidentified		Oh, of course.
		On the back of the letter, it's section 6331.
		It's supposed to be printed in the IRS code.
		Well, they have all the little laws and the paragraphs on the back, and it starts with section B, okay?
		Now, you're wondering if you're actually thinking about it, you'd wonder, well, where is Section A?
		And it's not on the back of that code that the man has, I mean, the back of that paper that the man has.
		If you look in the code of the IRS, Section A says that, you know, what it pertains to is any elected official of the United States.
		So those don't even apply to general people, of the general citizen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, look, again, without going into all the morbid technical details, yes, I know all of that.
		But my advice is, don't begin trying to decipher the U.S. tax code and try to figure out ways around it.
		If you owe them 87 cents or $87 or $870 or $8,000, pay it.
		I mean, if it's legitimately owed tax, pay it.
		If you have a bitch about paying taxes in general, then go and vote for somebody who's trying to implement a flat tax or a total revision of the IRS.
		You know, unless you just are one of the type of people who enjoys going to war with the government and it's not very enjoyable, work within the system we have to change it.
		That's just my advice.
		I pay my tax and I groan and I grumble about it and I would be willing to vote for somebody who would work for a revision of our tax system.
		I've been calling for it for years.
		But I don't think that I would go and fight it for 87 cents or whatever.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		Hi.
		Hi, how are you doing?
		Okay.
		My name is Todd from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I want to say two things, please.
unidentified		The first thing is about the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've come to the conclusion that what it all comes down to is free will.
		Because God gave us free will, but we never had a chance to really use it too much.
		Because we've always been controlled by everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, baloney.
unidentified		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, baloney.
		You've got free will.
		Come on.
unidentified		Oh, no, no, I got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So who's controlling you?
unidentified		Well, I control myself mostly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		But then, what's going to happen, though, like for the world, it's like everyone's going to be free at one time.
		You know, whoever wants to be free is going to be free.
		And then, like, back in the 60s, there was like the hippies with the radicals and stuff.
		But this time around, it's going to be Mother Earth.
		She's going to do the fighting.
		You know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Because she's been abused too much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think so?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she's going to whisk us off like a fly off a horse's butt with her tail.
unidentified		Well, just the people who don't belong here, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And the second part is about the gene, to get rid of the violence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It can't be done because there's like an animal within everybody, or a beast, you know, and the beast is going to fight until it's done fighting.
unidentified		You can't get rid of it because it'll come back in some other form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't be so sure.
		Well, it might.
		I wouldn't know about that.
		But I don't put it past the scientists.
		Look, they are unraveling the human genome now.
		And they will indeed discover a genetic link to almost everything, including violence, I'm sure.
		So they might be able to remove that.
		Like a molar that has a cavity that's gone beyond saving.
unidentified		Just yank it right out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your problem is what comes with it?
		That's what I wonder.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I was just calling concerning a couple things we were talking about tonight, and one was as far as the Marlon Brando removing violence genetically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where are you, sir?
unidentified		And controlling individuals.
unidentified		I am in Oconomawak, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What do you think about that idea?
		It cannot happen because you will remove an individual's soul.
		Wait a minute.
		No, wait a minute.
		More than a soul swear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, our soul is not only our violent nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might, I think it'd be more accurate to say it might remove some of our soul.
unidentified		Okay, spirit was the word I meant to use there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And have you heard anything about the Illuminate or the anything else in regards to controlling individuals through those kind of means?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a 99th degree Mason, I'm not authorized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Allowed would be a better word to comment on these things.
unidentified		Ah, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Yes, sure.
		The Illuminati, they send me regular bulletins about all their secret activities.
		I just, you know.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		I was wondering if you ever read some of these additional scriptures that the Mormon Church has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whether I've what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Read scriptures of the Mormon Church?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		We have additional scriptures besides the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't say that I have.
unidentified		Well, if I could quote it just as verses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you cannot.
		Not from Mormon materials, not from the Bible.
		No scripture quoting.
		That's a rule on this program.
		Like it or not, we probably have more general discussion of religion than just about any of the talk show on the air.
		But Bible quoting?
unidentified		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In all the almost 12 years that I've been doing this program, we don't do that.
		If you want to quote scripture, go and do so in church or listen to it quoted in church.
		That's the place.
		No offense, I hope, but that's just one of the basic rules of the program.
		There are people of all kinds of cuts and stripes and beliefs here, and so we just don't do that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		I wanted to talk to you about the remote viewing.
		Yes.
		There's an area on America Online where I found some documents about CIA reports on remote viewing.
		They call it Operation Stargate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		It turns out we've spent, I think, $20 million on this over the past 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did a whole Nightline show on it, and then I did two or three shows on it, so I'm quite familiar with it.
unidentified		Yes.
		This is from a report in an area called Periscope on America Online, where they discuss how apparently there's two disagreements between the people who issued the report for the CIA.
		And one of the doctors, I guess a doctor of parapsychology, actually believes there is some statistical significance to the psychic powers that some of the people in the study possess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
unidentified		I just thought that was interesting.
unidentified		That hasn't been an aspect of the study that's been widely publicized, or most people haven't heard much about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, I'll ask you as I did the other gentleman, that remote viewing extended could be remote control?
unidentified		I don't think so.
		I mean, I think there's enough question right now as to whether this really exists from a phenomenological standpoint.
		So I think if you want to talk about remote control, there's enough propaganda.
		You look at the propaganda we did during World War II or even during the Gulf War.
		There's already kinds of remote control through dropping leaflets over somebody, stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is not exactly what I meant.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I meant what the logical extension of remote viewing is, remote control.
		The control of one mind by another or a group of minds focused together to a single purpose.
		I recall speculating about perhaps breaking a blood vessel in Saddam Hussein's forehead.
		Simply concentrate on weakening that blood vessel until it burst.
		And we talked about the advisability of that one night, morally, whether it would be right, if it could be done, whether it would be right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hello.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		Oh, I'm glad to hear your hand's getting better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is, yes.
unidentified		And comments coming around, Blessy's little heart.
unidentified		Well, this is Ann from Eugene.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ann.
unidentified		Yes.
		Two anns in one night.
		How you doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anything can happen, Ann.
unidentified		That's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can hear from one little town in Missouri three or four times in a night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It happens.
unidentified		Wonderful.
unidentified		Anyway, I wanted to ask you, what do you know about Common Cause?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The organization?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A fair amount.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Well, I don't know anything about it.
unidentified		And I got a brochure in the mail from them, and I'm a little leery of writing gobbly goot to different people, and I don't know anything about them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not a joiner.
		I don't join anything.
		I never have been.
		I don't know why.
		I just am that way.
		So I wouldn't begin to advise you on what to involve yourself with.
		I mean read and decide for yourself.
unidentified		Well what kind of organization is it?
unidentified		That's what I'm asking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well I'm sure you were able to read that in the brochures and you know what they're concerned with.
		The things they're concerned with, that is.
		And you've just got to sit down and decide whether you associate with that, whether you agree to the extent that you would become involved.
		I've just always shied away from involvement in that kind of thing.
		So again, I wouldn't advise you.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Well, I don't know anything about political organizations at that night.
		So I just toss it.
		I guess not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would do.
		Thank you.
		I would just toss it.
		And that's no gripe with common cause.
		I just don't know why that is.
		I have just never been a person to join organizations.
		If I feel passionately about something, I fire off a letter or a fax myself.
		And I don't feel I need an organization to tell me when I need to do that.
		So I've never joined anything.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Skye in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Skye.
unidentified		Yeah, if Marlon Brown is going to be doing with the genetic engineering, I wonder if he's going to start with his own family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably part of what caused him to say that.
unidentified		What it primarily called for, I wonder if everybody is noticing, and maybe they should take notice if they haven't already, about the reaction with Brown's death.
		Does everybody remember that there wasn't near the concern or the outcry or passion when Vince Foster was found dead?
		Oh.
		And not only that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ripples of that, sir, are still rippling.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
		Especially, you know, it's sad the way it's just going to keep torturing the family.
		I definitely feel for them.
		But Clinton, of course, he made his political plug in the midst of all that, you know, trying to keep the Commerce Department's interest going because that's one of the ones that are being targeted being shut down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
unidentified		But I just thought that was really interesting.
		Oh, and by the way, I never have thought that your voice sounds different on the phone as opposed to the radio.
		I don't know why people say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody says that.
unidentified		I think it sounds identical.
		Huh.
		I mean, I don't know if we just get an excellent connection all the time, but I remember the first time I called, I knew it had to be you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody calls, and as you can hear, a lot of them, I've sort of given up on it.
		I mean, they hear me on the phone.
		They don't believe it's me.
		So I just, I'm skinny to the point where I say, okay, it's not.
		What can I do for you?
unidentified		I pick up on that.
unidentified		I'm just wondering, you know, are the people just not paying attention too much?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a difference.
		It may depend on the kind of radio you're listening to.
		In other words, the frequency response, or my real voice, is the one you hear on the radio.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the one you hear on the telephone, obviously, is constricted to telephone voice frequencies.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I don't know.
		It might just be the connection, but I guarantee it I could recognize yours in a crowd of a million.
		Yeah, I think it's very distinct, and I've always thought it sounded, you know, my perception, identical to what it always sounded like on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, bless your heart.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Nobody has ever said that until now.
		He is the first.
		If I've heard it once, I've heard it a zillion times.
		This isn't you, Art.
		This is some imposter.
		This is some screener.
unidentified		I thought Art didn't screen calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've just, I've sort of given up on it.
		There's a lot of people.
		Sometimes I'll answer the phone before or after the program or even during the day, and it'll be accusatory.
unidentified		This isn't you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can I do to convince you?
		There's nothing that convinced me.
		It'll convince me.
		I know Art Bell, and that's not you.
		And I usually say, okay, well, call back later when he's here.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Art Bell on station.
		Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Talk about anything you want to talk about.
		They, now more than ever, think they've got the right guy, think they've got the Unibomber.
		I'm sure you've seen most of the stories.
		The typewriter, they think is the one.
		Turned out allowing him to publish may in the end mean he'll perish.
		We'll see.
		By the way, I had a fax about moving...
		Don't forget, we've got our international line up toll-free internationally from anywhere in the world.
		And we are presently investigating the possibility of turning on a large Eastern European shortwave transmitter with this program with about a million watts.
		So that project is underway.
		I've got a great network.
		I've got a great bunch of people I work with.
		And no matter the crazy ideas I might come up with, they're all for it.
		They're pretty much as crazy as I am.
		It's a match made in heaven.
		And that's going to be a lot of fun.
		We're going to look into it.
		We may even end up making a trip to Poland or something or Czechoslovakia just for that purpose.
		Bounce it off a mid-Atlantic satellite, relay it actually, dump it down into Eastern Europe, and then go up with a million watts for two or three or ten.
		We'll see.
		Anyway, we do have an international lineup now, so if you can hear us out there in Central America, Europe, Asia, wherever you are, and by whatever means you're hearing us, here's how you can call us.
		Toll-free.
		Get the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number for your country, whatever that is, and then call 800-893-0903.
		800-893-0903.
		Some lady called, I think it was an hour ago, and talked about marijuana enlarging breasts in males, because we were talking about violence because Marlon Brando went on Larry King last night and said that he would like to see genetic research done to remove the violent nature of man.
		Well, think about that one.
		How do you feel about that?
		Anyway, the lady called up and said marijuana.
		But she said it enlarges the male breast, and somebody sent me the following inevitably Tim from Victoria, Texas.
		Dear Art, regarding that call earlier about marijuana causing breast enlargement, well, my dilemma is that as I sit here on the couch, I realize I should go buy myself a brusier.
		But I just don't have the motivation to do it.
		And when I do go out in public, I find the cops keep following me around everywhere I go.
unidentified		Help!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Tim in Victoria.
		Well, Tim, should have done what the president claimed he did, I guess.
		High art, Marlon Brando, and others thinking it'd be a great idea to do away with violence and aggression from the human genome really need to rethink their positions without aggression or control violence.
		Why, our species would not be walking around or it would with vacant smiles or distributing flowers or being nice to each other, as Brando suggests.
		Instead, a lack of aggression would spell the end of humankind as a viable species.
		Without aggression, you'd probably find some humans hiding in the dark, cowering in fear and praying that Comet and his fellow felines don't hunt them down and turn them into cat food.
		In fact, without aggression, who would ever have heard of Marlon Brando?
		Good point.
		And then this art for a lot less, somebody called and talked about somebody projecting an image of Christ and what effect that would have.
		Art for a lot less than it would cost to send an image of Christ from East to West.
		One could accomplish the same purpose by mailing millions of pay 87 cents now or live to regret it notices from the IRS, East and West at the same time.
		In fact, the name of Christ is probably used more frequently in connection with the IRS than it is in connection with church.
		By the way, I have one of those IRS notices for 13 cents.
		Tell the guy to wait until I send mine to him and his change won't go to waste.
		Yeah, that's true.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		How you doing?
		I'm okay.
		Just wanted to ask you if you checked your email today.
		I sent you an email today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I checked it at about midday.
		I didn't check it before I went on.
		Why?
		What was it about?
unidentified		Okay.
		I was listening to another talk radio host, a very reputable one, and he, through the Freedom of Information Act, got some information out of the White House that showed a commission of health care.
		The Clinton White House had a commission of large businessmen, you know, big business people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know about it.
unidentified		Oh, you've seen it then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's been public for a very long time.
		That's no secret.
		As a matter of fact, there have been lawsuits, sir, regarding that commission because it did its work in secret.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And did you know who was part of that commission?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who was part of that commission, sir?
unidentified		One of the people that was part of it was the CEO of Motorola.
		One of the commission was the guy by the name of H. Ross Perot.
		And did you read or did you know of any of the information that the commission did trying to put forth as far as what their plan was for the health care?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know generally what the health care plan encompassed, yes.
		One card for all.
		In fact, I remember the president holding it up.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		But their plan was eventually taken it into world health care.
		In the email, I sent you the documents I pulled off from this guy's internet access.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you send the email?
unidentified		It was later on this afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll get it in the morning then.
		Thank you very much.
		I'll look forward to that.
		One world, one card.
		Health care for all.
		Charge to Uncle Sam.
		Yes, sir, sir.
		Sounds like a good idea.
		Implementation to begin after Marlon Brando's genome revision.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Russell from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I wanted to talk a little bit about Ron Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And, you know, a lot of people are praising him and saying he ran a great commerce department.
		Well, he ran the commerce department like a candy store for Clinton's special interest and his campaign people.
		So if you were a big-time contributor to Clinton or a big supporter, you know, and you had a nice business going, there's a good chance Ron could take you over to a foreign country, taxpayer, you know, provide a jet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
		That kind of patronage, though, to be fair, has gone on in every single administration.
		Even Reagan's.
		Bush's.
unidentified		Yeah, but it still doesn't make it right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		And he was under investigation for a lot of other funny deals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		No, he was definitely no angel.
unidentified		And now I heard that Bosnian, a witness to the crash, saw a couple of bolts of lightning hit the plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
unidentified		And, you know, there may be more to this than we think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe he's an angel now.
unidentified		Well, I don't...
unidentified		So all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Well, I don't think there's going to be any one-world government anyhow.
		Not in our lifetimes.
		Not in the lifetimes of our children.
		And probably never.
		Unless Marlon Brando gets his way and the gene that controls our violent nature is somehow modified.
		We're about the most cantankerous, isolationist, argumentative people in the whole world.
		One world government?
		People in this country?
		I don't think so.
unidentified		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody joking sent this to me.
		Question.
		When flying saucers land on the White House lawn and the aliens say, take me to your leader, how will the Secret Service respond?
		Answer, Hillary, there's someone here who wants to talk to you.
		Well, if you were to take that question and modify it just a little bit, I'm wondering what kind of answer you would give if the little gray guys landed anywhere in this country and said, take me to your leader, who do you think they would be taken to?
		Now, the obvious answer is, well, President Clinton.
		But there's a lot of people here who don't think he's the real leader.
		So if the saucer came down and the CIA or the Secret Service or the FBI, I suppose you would hope it would be the FBI if it was a domestic landing, were consulted and wanted to go to the leader, who would the little gray guys really be taken to?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm fine.
unidentified		I had a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I was wondering if you personally believed in UFOs, because I've heard you talk about them before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I believe in UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I do too.
unidentified		I was just curious about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw one myself.
		I believe in unidentified flying objects, but do I believe they are extraterrestrial craft with little guys in it flying around?
		I don't know.
		That I don't know.
unidentified		I believe that they've had a definite part of being on our planet.
		That's just my opinion.
		But I was also wondering, what is your first-time caller number?
		Because I couldn't find it.
		I'm a first-time caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me see.
		I guess you're entitled to use it once.
		It's area code 702-727-1222.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Baytown, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Baytown, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you do?
unidentified		I'm a stripper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		I'm an entertainer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A stripper?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a stripper?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yes, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's it like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't get calls from a lot of strippers, and what's it like?
unidentified		It's basically kind of like any other job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's not.
unidentified		Well, I guess it's not really like any other job.
		But I don't know.
		I really enjoy it.
		It's good money.
		And most of the gentlemen are very nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they?
		I always wondered about that.
		In other words, they're not sitting out there cat calling and getting rowdy with drinking a bunch of beers and causing you headaches.
unidentified		No, usually they're very quiet.
		The only ones that get really very rowdy are the bachelor party.
		But most of the guys are very quiet businessmen, And they're very polite and extremely interested.
		Yes, interesting, and I learn a lot from talking to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they learn a lot from you.
unidentified		I hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been doing this?
unidentified		About four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're a veteran stripper?
unidentified		Yes, I guess you could say that.
unidentified		I've been broken in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you strip completely or just mostly completely?
unidentified		I go to a G-string.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A G-string.
		That's pretty much what strip.
		Well, that's really interesting.
		And, you know, you're very brave.
		A lot of people would not come on the air and say, I'm a stripper.
unidentified		Oh, well, thank you.
		I'm not really ashamed of what I do.
		And I think it's a good living, and I'm not really doing anything wrong, and I'm not hurting anyone.
		It's all in good fun, you know.
		They just come in there, have a good time, and look at you and talk, and most of them just want somebody to keep them company for a little while, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that's right.
		Well, look, the female body is a wonderful thing, and those who have it, I suppose, should not be ashamed of it.
		So there you are.
		What is your first name so we might remember you?
unidentified		Stacy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stacy the Stripper from Baytown.
		I guarantee you we'll remember it, Stacy.
		Thank you.
unidentified		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Stacy the Stripper from Baytown.
		I think that's a first.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		This is Jim from Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		I've been a cop for 17 years, and this stuff that they keep talking about, all this stuff like out in California and things like that, it kind of upsets me to a certain extent.
		And I've been listening to you and listening to the comments of other people.
		You know, not all police officers are that way.
		There is few and far between.
		Seem like here lately everybody's been videotaped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to say, we keep saying that.
		These incidents and these type of police are very few and far between.
		The problem is they're the ones who keep getting caught on videotape.
		In fact, another beating was caught, I think, by a cop's in-patrol car video camera.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought that one was really dumb.
unidentified		Yeah, well, you know, police officers are humans, and it just seems kind of strange that, you know, that the people that are not police officers, you know, they downgrade them.
		You know, I've been in many pursuits.
		I've been stabbed and been spit at, been jumped on, been kicked, and called every name in the book.
		And it just seems kind of odd that these people out there that, you know, they don't have any sympathy for the police officer.
		As far as, yeah, true enough, I watched this last one and I didn't think it was righteous and I think they ought to hang them, really.
		I mean, if you're a bad cop, shame on you.
		Just like anybody else, bad banker or bad business person, if you can't do your job right, you shouldn't be in it.
		But I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		just my view and you know I'm just one of many thousands of police officers out there that I And how many videotapes do we see of cops helping little old ladies across the street?
unidentified		Well, that's correct.
unidentified		Over the years, I've had a few good experiences, and that's what keeps me in the business, is that the people out there, most of them generally like police officers, but then again, the same person, you stop them on traffic and going to write them a ticket, their attitude changes awful drastically because they're going to have to pay some fines out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm a little heavy on the pedal there, and I've been given my share of speeding tickets, and I've always been, with one exception, I've always been in the wrong and knew that he had me cold, and I accept the ticket graciously, and usually at the end, even though I kick myself for doing it, he hands me the ticket and I say thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, I understand that.
		I've been that way myself.
		Even, you know, out of uniform, luckily the police officers that I have that stopped me have been very gracious and given me the courtesy of saying, well, thank you, sir.
		Could you please slow it down?
		And yes, sir, I sure will.
		Of course, a lot of police officers I've stopped have had this different attitude.
		Hey, I'm a police officer.
		I can do what I want to you, on duty or off-duty.
		And I explained to them real quick, you can't do that.
		Of course, then they really bow up and they get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I bet you don't really give them a ticket, though, huh?
unidentified		No, but I have talked to you, sergeants and superior officers on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I suppose I can tell this story now.
		I used to work for the Monterey 911 system.
		I was a 911 operator.
		Boy, what a job that was, I'll tell you.
		Keeping control of and in your head what a whole bunch of police cars and officers are doing, what kind of call they're on.
		Controlling the local fire department at the same time, dispatching fire, and talking to frantic people on 911 lines.
		I did that for a year.
		And of course, that doesn't make you a cop, but since you are the one who dispatches the cops, in other words, you control their workload, they show some deference to you.
		And as I said, I'm a little heavy on the pedal, and I remember going home one day in excess of the speed limit by probably about 20 miles an hour.
		And I was stopped, and I didn't claim any special, and I didn't even tell the cop who I was, even though I dispatched him.
		And he wrote out the ticket and asked me for, took a look at my ID.
		After he had written the ticket, somehow he took a look at the ID a little closer and figured out who I was and got jumping up and down angry because he was going to have to cancel that ticket because there was no way in hell he was about to write a dispatcher a ticket.
		He was really angry with me for not telling him who I was in the first place.
		I mean, I'll tell you privately, he said, do you think I'm out of my mind?
		Do you think I'm going to write you a ticket?
		I know your boss and he determines my workload.
		And you let me write out this, and you was angry with me.
		So cops rarely give each other tickets.
		It's part of the great code of silence and protection of each other that occasionally gets them In trouble.
		And that's a small example of it, but it's a true story.
		So I got chewed out for not telling him who I was.
		He had to end up ripping that ticket up.
		I said, go ahead, give it to me.
		He said, Are you kidding?
		We'll be back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
		Coast AM from April
		Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
		5th, 1996.
		In the year 25, 25 If man is still alive, if woman can survive,
		They may fall In the year 35, 35 Ain't gonna need to tell the truth Tell no lies Everything you
		think, do and say Is in the field you took today In the year 35, 35 Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your heart You won't find a thing to chew Nobody's gonna look at you In the year 55, 55 Your arms are hanging with past your heart
		Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight's program originally aired April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		This is a Friday night, Saturday morning version.
		Or if you're listening to the repeat, the Sunday night, Monday morning, one way or the other.
		Anyway, we're here from the National Werewolves Society.
		That's right, the Werewolves Society.
unidentified		I just got a fact.
unidentified		fish And I wonder what it'll say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear Art, we're tired of you goofy humans, and we're declaring war against you, jerks.
		Art, please don't be offended.
		We consider you to be a useful tool for opening human minds to the possibility of other realities.
		However, we are now initiating our first wave of human consumption in the state of Oregon as of this morning.
unidentified		Oh no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you want to start eating Oregonians?
		They are particularly a tough breed, and, oh well.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art Bell from Yakima, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
unidentified		Gosh, I'm enjoying your show tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		I have a what if for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I love them.
unidentified		Okay.
		What if China, or Red China, which is correct, China, okay.
		What if China, with the help financial and technical of Libya and Muammar Gaddafi, it's got thrown a little money in too, has got a nice satellite up there in the sky that locked into the airplane's computer and shot it down and froze it.
		And the plane went right into the side of the hill.
		And maybe as a message to tell Americans that you're not in control like you think, and poor Mr. Clinton, his wife and child were on the plane a week earlier.
		So anyway, what if, what if?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be horrible.
unidentified		Yes, but you noticed you just heard on the news that that it was vi uh you were saying that a a a person, a witness, saw lightning hit it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh, somebody claims that, yeah.
unidentified		I think it was a ray from one of those satellites.
unidentified		I think they're way ahead of what we think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be disturbing.
		On the other hand, it could be just good old-fashioned bad weather, too.
		I mean, crashes have occurred.
		Near as I can tell, despite what else you may have heard, if you look at the Dubrovnik airport approach, it is, under the best of conditions, difficult.
		The non-directional beacons, two of them, at best, troubled.
		And if you make a wrong turn, if you go the way you should not go, then you run into a 2,500-foot mountain, which is exactly what they did.
		I'm already getting a whole lot of speculation.
		I mean, you ought to see all the facts as I get.
		It's really kind of ridiculous.
		The Clinton Circle of Death, I could go through them.
		The Clinton Circle of Death increasing by one more.
		Let's see, that was one.
		They were actually trying to kill Hillary, but got Ron Brown by mistake.
		There's just a whole pile of them that I haven't even bothered to read.
		You just would not believe what it is people imagine.
		No matter how obvious an explanation for something, there are those who refuse to believe the simple and absolutely must reach out for the complex and unlikely.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Ark?
unidentified		This is Mac in Hartford, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh yes, sir.
unidentified		Uh whatever happened to that guy, that fish and wildlife guest you had on and was going to investigate the cattle mutilations.
		Because there was a couple mutilations out of your way.
		Recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not exactly sure who you mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had many people on with.
unidentified		Well, he said he was going to do an autopsy or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
		No follow-up?
		I don't know.
		I don't know what the results are.
		I don't have any news for you.
		I have not talked with him since.
unidentified		Well, have a happy Easter anyway, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you too, sir, and take care in New York.
		I follow up on things as I can.
		It's like Randy Winters, who promised the photos of the dinosaurs.
		I'm still sure we're going to get them, but I'm not sure when.
		Everybody's asking about them.
		I'll try to remember to make a call to Randolph and get those on the way.
		I know he's traveling, and that's probably why we haven't got them yet.
		But I want my dinosaur pictures.
		Maybe some of you have seen them.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		This is Billy in Odessa, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You know, it just cracks me up hearing someone like Brando talking about changing the genetics of whatever he was talking about.
		I mean, a guy like that, he's got so much money, he's like one of the happiest guys in the world.
		You know, if we were to go and change his genetics and then hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now he's had a rather troubled family.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, obviously with his family, I mean, he's completely out of balance with the rest of the normal people in the world.
		And it's just like, you know, it just typifies the people, you know, like him to be making these kind of statements.
		And it's just, it's ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would happen, though, if they did find the gene and a way to control it or change it to literally pull violence away from human beings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seems to me an awful lot of people.
unidentified		I can't imagine.
		I mean, like, I think of my dad, and, you know, he had me when he was really young, he and my mom.
		And I think if he hadn't had that edge, we wouldn't have made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And, you know, today he and his dad have a successful business because of that tenacity.
unidentified		And if it hadn't been for anger, they would have given up 20 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it is an important part of the mix, isn't it?
unidentified		You couldn't live without it.
		It's just, it makes me mad to hear people say stuff like that.
		So, whatever.
		But I wanted to plug a movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes.
unidentified		It's a great movie, and I'm a little nervous, excuse me.
		But it addresses this issue.
		It was written by George Lucas when he was in college called THX1138.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've seen it.
unidentified		And, you know, that's a movie that's just all about what happens when you take people and you, through drug manipulation or whatever, you take emotion away from them.
		And it's scary.
		And everybody walked around like drones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, I'm sure that's the way it would be.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Wasn't this just too cute?
		Somebody's on video right now and typed, I thought you were the unabomber.
unidentified		Me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The unibomber?
unidentified		Me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. I love technology.
		I love toys.
		Techno toys?
		Me, the unabomber?
		Please.
		The Antichrist, maybe.
		But the Unibomber?
unidentified		Shhh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No respect.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Jim from Ever Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim, Ever Beach, Hawaii.
unidentified		Yeah, how are you doing, son?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Oh, good here.
unidentified		Hey, you were talking about how you were getting scared that you and Charlie were starting to agree on more and more things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
		Well, it makes sense, though.
		I don't know if anybody's thought about this, but, you know, it's getting closer to election time, and everybody knows how liberals start turning more conservative when it gets closer to election.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly would rather believe Charlie's coming to the right than I would believe that I'm going left.
unidentified		Well, I don't think there's much chance of that, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, does one know when it's happening to one?
		In other words, when you're undergoing an ideological change, maybe you don't know it like the frog in the slowly warming, finally boiling water.
		Maybe it sneaks up on you.
unidentified		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And equally, I can imagine it snuck up on Charlie.
unidentified		It could be.
unidentified		Let's hope so, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hope so.
		Thank you.
		Or as you pointed out, with election year coming, like our illustrious president, he finds himself having to move to the right to become as populist as possible and try once again to eke out a 43 percenter.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Rochester, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		W-H-A-M.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This must be another Howard Stern plug.
unidentified		What makes you think that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a wild guess.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, two things.
		Let's get the Howard Stern out of the way.
		And you took my punchline.
		You know, if the green guys landed, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Leader, they'd be taken to Howard, right?
unidentified		Well, what do you think that the green guys would think about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably screened by Robin, though.
unidentified		What do you think they'd think about Bongo Fiesta, though?
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you hung up.
unidentified		Anyway, here's the serious thing, though.
unidentified		I mean, this isn't serious, but I just wanted to call up to agree with you about the movie Seven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, what a movie.
unidentified		And it's just a great movie?
unidentified		Now, I saw it in the theater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know who you're talking to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking to a guy who's got a copy of the original script.
unidentified		I know, I heard.
unidentified		Lucky man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		But, I mean, imagine seeing in the theater, dark, you can't hit the pause button like you did this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, was it or was it not that intense?
unidentified		And wasn't it great how they don't, we can't say it for the people who haven't seen it, but that they do not cop out at the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, I kept waiting for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I couldn't agree more.
		I couldn't agree more.
		I was sitting there saying, oh, please don't cop out, you know, during those last few seconds, and then they didn't.
		And that's all we can say.
unidentified		Excellent.
		I do have to say, though, you did redeem yourself with saying the seven review because I totally disagree with Waterworld.
		That movie was horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was not.
unidentified		Horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was not.
unidentified		Last one, I'll let you go.
unidentified		Did you see Braveheart?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Did you like it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was wonderful.
unidentified		You're the guy, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
unidentified		Have a nice week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Braveheart was dynamite.
		The battle scenes were incredible.
		Incredible.
		Really, when I saw it, I thought Braveheart should have, if anything, cost as much or more to put together than Water World.
		No, I liked Water World.
		I guess I'm weird that way.
		I don't know.
		I thought the concept was different.
		I thought it was a complete reality escape kind of movie.
		I thought the chick was incredibly beautiful.
		God, she was pretty.
		And I just generally enjoyed it.
		Maybe I'm just, I just enjoy movies.
		Braveheart, fantastic.
		Seven, probably even better.
		Seven, I don't know why, I don't know what it was about seven, but it's just the best movie I've seen in a long time.
		That intense.
		And so with the little asterisk here at the bottom, that warning, warning, it is pretty rough.
		If you can handle it and you like a good, really good, dramatic, well-produced movie, that's seven.
		And no cop-out at the end.
		That much can be told.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing?
unidentified		Artist Mario from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mario.
unidentified		I have a question to ask you, and I want to make a comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sure.
unidentified		First question is, that comet, was it Hail Bob?
unidentified		Is it Bob or Bob?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hail Bop, B-O-P.
unidentified		Okay, well, you say it formed away toward Earth or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		The comet that emitted the X-rays is the Japanese comet that just passed, Hayakotake.
		Right.
		And it has been found to have emitted strong X-rays, and even the experts are not sure why.
		They are puzzled.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, maybe a month from now, we will all begin smiling at each other and wearing flowers in our hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then we'll know.
unidentified		Okay.
		Oh, I have a comment I wanted to make.
		I don't know if you saw the news today or anything about the cat in New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one that rescued the kittens?
unidentified		Yeah, isn't that great?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've been following that for days, and Mama Cat is on the heel.
unidentified		Yeah, so it's weird.
unidentified		I grew up around cats all my life, and from my opinion, is most cats, you would think, when faced with danger, tend to shy away, but there's that maternal instinct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's no minor instinct.
		To imagine a cat that would go into a fully engulfed burning building five times, burning itself to the degree that all its hair, its fur, burned off and it got very bad burns on its body.
		That is an amazing thing, that the maternal instinct, even in a cat, is that strong with a total disregard for its own life and the prospect of burning up, very real, it plowed through those flames to get its kittens and brought them out of that building.
		I don't know, what do you say about that?
		While some human mothers toss their babies out of tall buildings and other human mothers strap their babies in the back seats of cars and roll the cars into the water.
		We are the smart ones.
unidentified		sad music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		Don't hang up on me until I have my say, so, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be the judge of that.
unidentified		Okay, well, I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you've got something going on in the background.
		The reason I leave the line early a lot with you is because for some reason you must have...
		Did you have two phones off the hook?
unidentified		Actually, I have somebody on conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what one of the problems was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't do that.
unidentified		Okay, and I have a what-if for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A what-if?
unidentified		Yeah, what if Charlie got a real job?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what if he did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you think that would change his opinion about anything?
unidentified		Well, for one thing, I think he doesn't work for the government.
		I think he works for a gas station.
		I heard a phone ringing in the background the other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would that mean he works in a gas station?
unidentified		That's just an opinion I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, he does have a real job.
unidentified		Okay.
		And I wanted to say one more thing.
		To my friends in the background listening, why don't you say hello to Phil and Phil and?
		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's his name.
		Phil and Phil and Phil and Harry.
		Oh, Phil and Tony.
unidentified		Yeah, they're in the background listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Phil and Tony.
unidentified		Okay, I think they're a little radio shy, but I want to say one more thing.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You said it.
		You see, now, where was the content in that call?
		Don't cut me off until I say what I want to say.
		Say hi to Phil and Tony for me.
		Oh, boy.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Mary.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Bob from Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		I got a what if.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if what?
unidentified		What if Taiwan went belly up and Sea Crane brought those jobs back to America?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Sea Crane never took them out.
unidentified		Hi, see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, if Taiwan, in totality, went belly up, then the odds are that it would be another foreign radio.
		Let me tell you a little something about the American people.
		We're a market-driven country, and No matter how much you wish it or anybody wishes it, that's not going to change.
		The American people, no matter what they say, will buy the best for the money.
		You know, you hear a lot of people mouthing off about, well, I only buy it if it's American-made.
		And that's a fine sentiment, but I'll tell you what, that's all it is.
		Otherwise, it's a bunch of baloney, and I am no different, and I'll freely admit that to you.
		When I go shopping for a product, I try to get the best deal I can for my money.
		The best quality product.
		I'm very quality conscious.
		And the best buy for my money.
		And I am not different than most Americans.
		You hear a lot of people who mouth this or mouth that, like that guy was sort of trying to twist around and say.
		Well, sort of, wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan went belly up and C. Crane had to bring all those jobs back?
		What a sort of a trashy thing to say anyway, because Crane never took them out.
		The only thing he did was find the best radio, and that right now happens to be the Sanjin 818CS.
		That's not even a paid commercial.
		That's just a damn fact.
		So the best way for America to get things back, and by the way, that process is underway right now, is for America to make the best product at the best price.
unidentified		That's the best way to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And American cars have come a long way, baby.
		We're beginning to export a lot of them.
		Mexico, as a matter of fact, buys an awful lot of American cars.
		Some they take down there without buying.
		They just start them up and drive them down there.
		We never see them again.
		Anyway, we'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bells somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
		Freemier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, I am here.
		Hello, everybody.
		How are you?
		I should have held it, but I didn't.
		We had an international call from Africa, South Africa.
		But it came right at the beginning of the news, and I picked it up when I should not have.
		So if he calls back, he calls back.
		Anyway, if you're out there internationally, we do have a toll-free international line, and you are more than welcome to give us a call if you can get through.
		And I'll try not to pick it up during newscasts.
		And other times I will try and watch for it to ring.
		It's kind of hard.
		I've got a whole bank of lines ringing here, and I've got to be able to catch it at the right time.
		But we'd love to hear from you internationally.
		You know where I'd really like to hear from?
		Tahiti.
		I know I've got a lot of listeners in Tahiti.
		They could call, if they could get to a phone.
		Just get the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number wherever you are in the world, and then dial, not a one, but just 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903.
		Art, what if you had a time machine, it's always one of my favorite what-ifs, went 200 years ahead, and in the history books, the Unibomber was a hero.
		Maybe with statues erected to what he had done.
		Well, that'd be a sad thing, wouldn't it, if it turned out that technology was such a horrible thing, that the man who had railed against it, even killed trying to get the message out that it was horrible and a mistake for humanity, if it turned out that man was right.
		Now, there's a good basis for a movie.
		Remember What are World?
		How about Shanty World, where everybody tears down their homes, trashes their cars, their mix masters, their microwave ovens, their computers, trashes it all, and goes back to living as the Unibomber was in a little handmade shanty with no electricity or running water.
		Shanty world where technology has been proven to be evil and where we have turned back the clock and erected statues of thanks to the Unibomber.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Eric, what's up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever is on your mind is what's up.
unidentified		Well, I just want to say I love your taste in movies, man.
unidentified		I loved the usual suspects, Seven, Braveheart, even Water World was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least you liked Water World.
unidentified		Yeah, I did like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think of my idea for shanty world?
unidentified		Shanty World?
unidentified		I don't know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some future world where we have realized that technology is the tool of the devil, and we've all given it up, trashed our microwaves, our cars, everything, gone back to living in shanties.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I don't exactly see that happening.
		I don't think it's going to happen.
		But I wanted to talk to you about this brando thing with the genetic engineering and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, I was going to say if you could specifically isolate the gene for violence, I mean, what would be so wrong with that?
		I mean, human society not having violence, what would be so bad about that?
		I mean, what's so wrong with the value of the variants?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's so wrong about it is that with violence would go so many other things.
		Drive, competitiveness, yes, anger.
		The stronger emotions would all be siphoned away.
unidentified		No, but I'm saying you'd still have motivation, though, and people would still be motivated.
unidentified		And just the gene for violence, if you could just get rid of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But violence is perhaps the end of the spectrum.
		But I think to get it, like pulling a tooth, you'd have to get the root.
		And the root contains many other things that feed it.
unidentified		Okay, well, maybe you're right.
		But I mean, I just see, I kind of see human evolution as heading away from violence as it is.
		And maybe just to get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, it would be a normal evolutionary change, and we'll all be flower people eventually, and we won't have to tamper with the gene to get there.
unidentified		Right, well, then in that way, I think I'd see it as a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it occurred that way, then fine.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, if it occurred that way, then that'd be just fine.
		Hi, Art from Letterman tonight.
		He was talking about the Unabomber.
		He said that Governor Pete Wilson from California would like to have him brought to California for trial.
		Dave said that's a good idea.
		A high-profile murder case with lots of evidence.
		He'll be playing golf with OJ in six months.
		Yeah, that's probably right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Tim in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		Working at a gas station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to talk about these freemen and the whole idea of revolting against the government in general.
		All right.
		First of all, I don't support them, and I think they have obviously probably broken the law and deserve to be punished.
		But as far as revolting from the government, our founding fathers pretty much gave us license to do it if we ever found ourselves under a tyrannical government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they did.
unidentified		And along with that, it's pretty much a personal decision or a personal feeling when you decide that it's time to revolt.
unidentified		Yes, but something that we can vote on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Tim, but there is one thing.
		When it's only one individual or a small group of individuals, then there is going to be no revolt.
		And those freemen who thought they would have so much support from all over this country called the big rally and eight people showed up.
		Now, that is not the thing of which revolutions are made.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are absolutely correct.
		I mean, if the government ever truly became tyrannical, in a sense that caused enough people to believe it to be so, then, yeah, you know, there'd probably be a revolution.
		But that time, obviously, is not now, and the issues are not present to cause people to revolt.
unidentified		But even in that case, my point is there's always going to be people that are going to be in support of the government no matter how tyrannical it becomes, and they're going to call the revolters outlaws and wackos and all the things we're hearing now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		So it's just a matter, and our founding fathers would have been jailed, and they would have gone down in history as a bunch of Timothy McVays had they lost the Revolutionary War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, if you look at those who penned the Declaration of Independence, you'll find that many of them ended up hung, swinging from trees and ruined financially and had their careers and lives destroyed.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all very true, but again, I point out to you, that time is not now, and the issues are not present.
		Or else you would see that going on.
		And I'm very glad, I'm actually gratified that the American people stood back a little bit on this one and said, now wait a minute, this is not another Ruby Ridge.
		This is not another Waco.
		We have listened, and what we discern is that this is something else.
		And so the militias and those on the cutting edge of worrying about a tyrannical takeover had the common sense to say this is not the time.
		This is not the issue.
		And these guys are not the martyrs that we might be looking for.
		And I think that a lot of that was achieved by some of what we did here in talking to the people of Montana.
		All but the very closed minds were able to discern by listening to those calls that this was not what they thought it might be.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		I want to know, what if this is just a big test tube?
		Everything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frequently, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you think that it would be when regarded by the scientist, whoever that would be, conducting the experiment, would it be a success?
unidentified		I don't know, because when you think about it, just like us being here, it seems so artificial at times.
		I don't know, it's like all these cells were out there and learning to adapt, then cells could have learned to adapt on Mars, on Jupiter, or or any place else.
		It's then it's just like I don't know, it's Earth, it's just like it's just a big test tube and, you know, and uh, you know it's like one of the things about us and the dinosaurs it's like we were brought here and the dinosaurs and stuff were here first and you know then we couldn't survive with them because they were bigger so it's like wherever we drop this off here like kill the dinosaurs so we could live I don't know think of it this way sir maybe one of these days soon a great hand will come down and take the earth like a petri dish and
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and dump it into the lab sink, and down the drain we'll go.
unidentified		Because it feels too, I mean, you have this big wilderness, I mean this big vastness of space, and you try not to be blasphemous and think, and you do want to think that God put us all here, and then you hear the other side that we all evolved from microbes, and sometimes really kind of none of it makes sense.
unidentified		And it's like there's a bigger picture out there, and we just can't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that may be so.
		Do you know what I heard?
		I heard that when the Unabomber was young, there were many, many very serious family discussions about the meaning of life.
		And maybe it is not a good thing to too closely consider the meaning of life, because we are not to be able to ultimately discern such things.
		And too much thinking about that subject may cause one to go off in the wrong direction.
		What do you think about that?
		That it is something we simply are not to know and probably ought not to think about.
		I don't believe that.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I've got a what if question for you.
		Okay.
		What if the earth was absolutely perfect?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How would people know it was perfect if they didn't have something bad to compare it with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely correct.
		How can you know good unless you have seen bad?
		How can you know good unless there has been evil?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		It's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if I keep thinking about it much harder, I'll turn into the Unabomber.
unidentified		We wouldn't want that to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we wouldn't.
		Thank you very much for the call and the what if.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hello.
		This is Roy from Salt Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Roy.
unidentified		I called you a few years ago and I'm chronically mentally ill and I didn't know how to answer when you said, referring to the Mensa article about offing, so to speak, the mentally ill to preserve the gene pool.
		I didn't know how to answer that, but I have an answer for it.
		And what I think is that you would, Mensa or whoever would do it, would have to off 30% of the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds exactly correct.
		According to the Psychiatric Association, it is, I believe, one in four at least who are considered to have some degree of mental illness.
		I remember the discussion of the Mensa article.
		Yes, I recall that.
		So it would be a lot of people gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I have a question.
		What is your opinion of the upheaval of new information about Roswell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't know yet.
		As you know, the piece, the crash piece is being investigated now.
		They're going to do more detailed testing on it.
unidentified		Did you hear about, someone told me about that there are going to release some statements more about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		There indeed is going to be more about it.
		Have you seen a photograph of the piece yet?
unidentified		No, well, the only thing I've seen was some special, and I bought a video called Alien Autopsy or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's a totally separate affair.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Yes, indeed.
		Since then, somebody walked into the Roswell UFO Museum with an alleged piece of the debris from the debris field.
		This is a man who, all those years ago, put just one piece of the debris into his pocket.
		It was held all these years.
		There are presently tests underway to determine its makeup, which is an odd combination of silver, copper, silver.
		Now, I've done a little bit of reading about it, and traditionally in this country, when those elements are combined, they are combined in a certain percentage.
		In other words, a certain percentage of silver versus copper.
		And there are now tests being done to determine if these are terrestrial percentages.
		In other words, the actual materials are thought to be common throughout the universe.
		If you believe in the Big Bang Theory, then planets and suns and stuff, as Carl Sagan would say, would all be the same, whether you go to the moon or Mars or Jupiter.
		The same basic chemical and mineral makeups would exist everywhere.
		So it would not be unusual to find the same general materials, but perhaps with a different mix.
		And that's what they're looking at right now.
		East of the Rockies you're on the air hi how you doing Erk I'm okay this is John from Big Lake hi John actually what I have is a request okay I was wondering if you could play both of your Bigfoot yells so I could get them on tape well, I only usually do that when we have a Bigfoot story to go with it.
		Now, in a couple of weeks, I'm gonna have a Bigfoot guy on.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That will be probably when I will do it.
unidentified		In a couple of weeks, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, we've got to ration these.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Is it gonna be on a Dreamland?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, yes, it is.
unidentified		Oh.
		Well, I'll have to try and get it that time.
		I tried to get it on your lab guy you had on Dreamland, but it didn't work out.
		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you, sir.
		I had somebody do something very interesting, and I've got the file.
		He it's another example of people people having too much time in their hands, but he took the Bigfoot yell, got a good recording of it, and did a digital enhancement of it, taking random noises out.
		And it was even, if anything, worse than the original.
		I should get that and play it for you.
		The digitally enhanced Bigfoot scream.
		It's really awful.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, sir.
unidentified		And Matt from Idaho again?
		Yes.
		Yeah, I'd like to say hello to Stacy in Texas.
		Sounded like a cute gal.
		Anyway, as far as the Unibomber question, of course, there's going to be book deals, and I also hear there's already a mini-series, four-hour minutes mini-series.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to be kidding.
unidentified		In planning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why not?
unidentified		Well, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not just a full series, you know, showing the FBI getting close, closing in as they do in these series, the Unibomber just barely escaping?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be a full 17-year run.
unidentified		My question is, who would play the Unibomber as far as in the college setting and in his hermit days?
unidentified		Who do you think would make a good Unibomber?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charles Bronson.
unidentified		Charles Bronson, okay.
unidentified		I was kind of thinking maybe somebody like Charles Bromon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you look at the FBI's photograph of the Unibomber, it even looks a little like Charles Bronson.
unidentified		It does.
		I was thinking Christian Slater.
		They already have an FBI guy.
		Simon Schuster apparently have retained one of the big FBI loyalty guys on the case too.
		Apparently a book's going to be out real fast.
		Probably within a month or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, awful as it sounds to imagine, I thought the facts that I just got said it all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if you went 200 years into the future and you picked up a history book and there was the Unabomber depicted as a hero?
unidentified		Right.
		You know, I've been thinking the same thing.
		Maybe, you know, a couple hundred years back, maybe the Unabomber would be looked on as some sort of a John the Baptist or Messiah or something.
		You know, a voice crying in the wilderness.
		Yep.
		Type thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the future world, like I said, would be called shanty world.
		I gotta run.
		Thank you.
		You take care.
		Shanty World.
		How's that sound?
		In the desert.
		It'd be hot out here.
unidentified		Midnight at the away thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No air conditioning, right?
unidentified		Send your camera to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even a fan.
unidentified		Shadows faint in our faces.
		Tracing.
		The romance in our head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out here we need our electricity.
unidentified		Heaven's holding a happy blue, shining just for a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Happy birthday, Bryn.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
		Come on, Cats is our friend.
		He wanted out the way.
		Come on, Tilly Evening.
		Till the evening.
		You don't have to answer.
		There's no need to fear.
		I'll be your belly dancer, crapser, and you can be my sheep.
		I'll be your belly dancer, crapser, and you can be my sheep.
		Tonight, tonight, we're gonna make it happen.
		Tonight, we'll put all of the things back.
		You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, the werewolves are out tonight.
unidentified		I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you.
unidentified		I want to squeeze you, squeeze you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got a facts here saying several Oregonians have already been ingested and werewolves are staggering and falling.
		Indigestible Oregonians.
		Figures.
unidentified		I'm so excited.
		And I just can't hide.
		And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want to.
		You shouldn't even think about tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the bottom of the facts, he says, what's it like to be a stripper?
		You should have asked.
		He says, home, I'll bet.
		Anyway, welcome back to Shanty World.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast, A.M. That ought to get blood going.
		Back to the bones we go, and east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Listen, I want to tell you something about I heard about North Korea, but first, Ron Brown and his entourage met up with an untimely death.
unidentified		And I hope we are all prepared if we have to meet God with, you know, meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called Live Every Day as If It Were Your Last.
unidentified		I think so, too.
		Anyway, I just heard on the BBC thing.
		100 North Koreans moved into the demilitarized zone.
		And so South Korea is on alert.
		What do you think about this?
		All right, now listen off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I think that it could be a war.
		I mean, at worst case, it could be a war.
		Now, why would North Korea move people into the DMZ?
		Why was the DMZ established in the first place?
		The war actually never ended, you know.
		The demilitarized zone is a strip of land between the two countries specifically demilitarized to prevent clashes.
		So obviously, if they have occupied the DMZ, it's something that could lead to war.
		Or it could just be something to heighten tensions.
		It could turn out to be something or nothing.
		I don't know.
		What do I think it means?
		It could mean trouble.
		And we've just got to all watch it very carefully.
		So I don't have an answer for you beyond that.
		How are we going to regard it?
		Probably with great concern.
		I mean, that DMZ has existed to keep the two forces apart for a long time.
		Without it, the probability of conflict resuming is great.
		That's your answer.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Bruce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yes, this is Bruce.
unidentified		No, I mean, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Let me turn off my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right.
unidentified		I had a what if for you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if what?
unidentified		What if you know that guy who crashed on the airplane in Bosnia?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ron Brown.
unidentified		Yeah.
		What if he was like, I mean, I've been waiting too long, I forgot.
		Let me see.
		What if...
		Let me ask you the question and I'll go back to that.
		You know Tom Mikas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of him.
unidentified		I'm a fan of both of you.
unidentified		And why are you two not like each other very much?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have nothing against Tom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tom takes...
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I've heard him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why don't you ask him that question?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See what he says.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I tried eating meal on you.
		I'm not sure if you got it or not.
		Let me see if I can get back to my what-if.
		Oh, yeah.
		What if the president...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What if the President does something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I guess the militias would get very upset.
		I've got even a better what-if for you.
		There are several organizations that would like added to the present anti-terrorism bill a provision that would be anti-militia.
		And you want a good what-if?
		I'll give you one.
		What if the government passed, somehow, an anti-militia bill well within the realm of possibility?
		Then you'd really have something to fight about, wouldn't you?
		There are several organizations, in case you didn't know it, who are lobbying to have an anti-militia provision put in the so-called anti-terrorist bill.
		What do you think would happen if such a thing was passed and signed by the president?
		There's a what-if for you.
		Think about that one a little bit.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		I can't hardly believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can bleed it.
unidentified		Brian, first-time caller from Holberg up here in beautiful British Columbia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, welcome to the program.
unidentified		And my wife's going to kill me for making a long-distance call, but Holberg's the north end of Vancouver Island, about 300 miles north of Victoria.
		Wow.
		Northernmost community, in fact.
		And right now we've got hurricane force winds whipping through here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Must be a big northern wind coming on down.
unidentified		Gulf of Alaska.
		Yeah.
		Well, I think I know a little bit about what makes you tick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Well, when I was a teenager back in the 60s, I used to tinker with electronics, radio.
		My dad was in the Air Force, so I used to really get into it with ham radio operators now.
		I used to argue with them about transistors taking over everything and they all know the power tubes will ever be replaced for the high power ends.
		Look what's happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've resisted myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still have tubes.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I have a linear amplifier here with a pair of 350 500s, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but on the old iMac tubes.
unidentified		Sure.
		Oh, yeah.
		Well, they're neat.
		I mean, I appreciated that kind of stuff.
		But I lost my site in 66, and so microelectronics and solid-state chips and all that kind of was out of the picture for me.
		And I've gotten into computers, but not on Internet.
		And I really, really enjoy your show.
		A friend of mine bought me a radio and sent it out here in December, and I've started tuning in for the first time then.
		And I get you on KEX Portland, on Cuomo in Seattle, and on KM, let's see, KNT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KPNW.
unidentified		KPNW in Eugene Springfield.
		And they, you know, varies.
		The signal jumps around, so I pop over to one.
		But I'll tell you, when I listen to you advertise that Sanjeev radio, I go, oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want one.
unidentified		I do.
		It's got a tape recorder and all that.
		But this is one he sent me.
		I'm not going to kick.
		It was a $300 gift.
		It's a radio shack.
		It's got the digital, but it doesn't have a beat frequency oscillator, so I can't tune in the sideband.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's too bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we got a call the other night talking about an immigrant invasion from Canada.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes.
unidentified		Well, our doctors are going down there because they can make more money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but that isn't what we were talking about.
		We were talking about how we would identify Canadians.
		Well, we're different.
		You are different.
		There's no question about it.
		You're not hard to identify at all.
		Let me hear you say the word O-U-T.
unidentified		Out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
unidentified		If I could say American, I could say out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
unidentified		Or you can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might be able to get away with it then if you could watch it very carefully.
		But generally, if you make a Canadian say out, they say oot, and then they're oot.
		So it'd be very simple.
unidentified		Well, it depends, too, on whether you're Canadians from Newfoundland, from Quebec, or from British Columbia, because a lot of people from British Columbia sound like people from Oregon or Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		I mean, for me, it's like for me instead of for me.
		It's like listening to Americans.
		Like, you get somebody talking a newscaster, and he sounds like a Canadian.
		Then you get somebody from Louisiana or Kentucky phoning, they got the accent, and then somebody from California phones, and they may or may not have a different accent.
		It's the same in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do have one question, actually, for you.
		Shoot.
		We have been, at various times, making some inroads into getting the show there up in Canada.
		A lot of Canadians would like to see it on the air up there.
		But Canadian broadcasters are really nervous about it.
		It's kind of like they want Canadian product on the air, and they're afraid of American product.
		And they're afraid that American radio wouldn't go well there.
		This, despite the fact that we were on the air on a big Canadian station and had a great deal.
		I mean, the ratings were just astronomical.
unidentified		Oh, I can believe it.
		With the stuff you have on, there's nothing up here like it.
		And, yeah, that's all government bureaucratic crap.
		And a lot of people that are, it's not so much the broadcasters.
		I think they'd carry anything that would sell.
		It's the CRTC gets their fingers in the pie.
		It's not even an elected body.
		It's all appointed.
		Typical, just like a lot of the crap that goes on in American politics.
		And they've got to control everything.
		And I'll tell you, I've got a friend down here.
		He's a logger.
		He's making big bucks.
		He bought himself a complete digital system with a satellite, 200 channels.
		He can get anything he wants from the digital direct satellite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of Canadians are doing that.
unidentified		And bypassing the CRTC with like, pick it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate the sentiment and understand where you are headed there.
		A lot of Canadians are doing exactly that.
		And the CRTC in Canada is, it would make the FCC look like a totally deregulated body.
		I mean, they have a lot of regulation up there.
		And a lot of the broadcasters live somewhat in fear of the CRTC.
		And while they certainly can put American broadcasting on up there, they sort of live in fear of that.
		So you want to see a government with a lot of regulation look up to Canada, talk to Canadian broadcasters, and boy, I'll tell you, they'll tell you some stories.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		You are a propagandist for the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you pound on the early on movement you have invited to a show I'm a propagandist for the government.
		I got that.
		And then something about the Aryans.
		What about the Aryans?
unidentified		You pound on the Aryan movement.
unidentified		You have invited to your show an enemy of the white people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying I pound on the Aryan movement?
		Yes.
		I invite them all the time.
		I do, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		You have invited to your show an enemy of the white people, Louis Farrakhan.
		You are willing to invite a communist, an anti-white scam, Maurice Dees.
		You espouse the philosophy of racial egalitarianism.
		You are for race mixing and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would even have on a white Aryan.
unidentified		Why don't you have?
unidentified		Show something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure.
		I would do that.
		I'll have all kinds of people on the program.
unidentified		Why don't you invite the great American hero, David Duke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David Duke?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think you can get his number and get him to come on the show?
unidentified		He would, absolutely.
unidentified		I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that make you happy?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		I would be exhilarated.
		I'm just waiting for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exhilarated?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		David Duke, William Piers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about somebody actually from, I mean, he's only a former Ku Klux Klan guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not get a current Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon?
unidentified		Why not?
		Absolutely, yes.
		Excellent idea.
		But David Duke is more popular, so I mentioned him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about a Nazi?
unidentified		Maybe not in the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
		What's the matter?
		A good Nazi?
unidentified		Because the crisis is not as big as to warrant that.
unidentified		Now you just need racial patriots such as just David Duke, the great American hero, defender of civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe if he gets free on bail, even the Unibomber.
unidentified		I don't know why you want to invite him.
unidentified		I don't know what he has to do with the Aryan movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		just reaching out and telling you i'll have anybody on and that's uh...
		very sad to hear because you are willing to invite molly's the issue invited Because Louis Farrakhan is an enemy of the white people.
unidentified		David Duke is a racial patron.
unidentified		He's a big defender of civilization, a big patriot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about if we have them both on together?
		I am against that, but if you want to do that, that way you'd hear both points of view, David Duke and Louis Farrakhan.
		Now, would that make a program or what?
		First time caller line here on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Well, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This must be art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It must be.
unidentified		My name is Merrill and I'm from Algona, Washington.
		Hi.
		And I've been listening to you for A while now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
unidentified		And I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
unidentified		And I was listening to this thing about taking aggressive tendencies out of human beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We already have that ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pulling them like a bad tooth.
unidentified		Well, actually, it's kind of a temporary thing, and it's a voluntary type situation.
unidentified		But I do a lot of reading, and I was reading in one place that if you take the meat out of your diet, it makes you less aggressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think's happened to us all?
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We got our wisdom teeth pulled.
unidentified		Kind of like Comet's Claws, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like Comet's Claws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should have had his teeth blunted at the same time.
unidentified		But I tried this.
unidentified		I tried it on myself, and it worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean what actually happened when you stopped eating meat?
unidentified		I just was more calm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mellowed out, became lethargic.
unidentified		I just was a lot more, I was just less aggressive.
unidentified		I mean, if somebody crossed my path, I said, fine, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody bumps into the back of your car.
unidentified		Hey.
		Otherwise, if you want to be a jerk, be a jerk, you know.
		That's right.
		I've got other things to do.
		You know, I've got more, you know, I picked my fights.
		Let's put it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More carefully.
unidentified		I more carefully considered what was worth fighting about.
		Let's put it that way.
		And I was just much more peaceful about my life and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was just the vegetable in you.
		All right.
		Listen, thank you very much for the call.
		Yes, I think we've all had our wisdom teeth yanked, right?
		That was the big mistake.
		With it went the wisdom of caution and calm.
		Now we're all vicious.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		Say, this is Diana from Anchorage Calling.
		Yes.
		And what I'm calling about is a couple nights ago on the news, there was a little piece, and I haven't seen anything more about it, about the Shroud of Turin.
		Yes.
		Did you hear anything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen many stories about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there something new?
unidentified		Yes, there is.
		This is a scientist in France named Jean-Baptiste Renault has been studying the Shroud, and he believes that the image on the Shroud was caused by radiation from a nuclear explosion.
		And he said that he believes it is no older than the 14th century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not good news.
unidentified		But my question is, why was there a nuclear explosion in the 14th century?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was caused by the close passage of a comet.
unidentified		Hey, that's it.
unidentified		We'll have to check and see if maybe Haley's passed back then or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a stab in the dark.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay, Arbell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Columbia, South Carolina.
		All right.
		Did any of the listeners out there happen to watch the Oprah sale yesterday?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oprah?
		No, I didn't see it.
		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I've seen something on there that I've never seen in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		They had a young girl on there.
unidentified		I think she was about 10 or 11 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And she had two heads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they didn't.
unidentified		They did.
		She was on there with her parents.
		She had two heads.
		Literally, she had two heads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe you.
unidentified		Well, I've been listening to you since about 2 o'clock this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could both heads speak?
unidentified		Yes, both heads could speak.
unidentified		And the head on the right controlled the right side of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And the head on the left controlled the left side of the body.
		And what amazed me was that the head wasn't deformed in any kind of way or nothing.
		You know, nice looking young girl.
		And the father and mother was there, and they showed videotapes of when they were born and when they were like two years old playing outside and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the heads independently think?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you swear on the Bible, on the TV guide of daytime television, this is true.
unidentified		I do.
		And I am a religious person.
		And that's why I was so amazed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you think that there would be two souls involved?
unidentified		Yes, I would, because you have two different minds there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you married this girl, would it be a crime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these girls?
unidentified		Well, they probably would have to agree on the person that they would marry.
		Oh, you would certainly hope so.
		Yeah, but that's fascinating to see that, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, too, if there was a divorce as a result of that marriage, would she get two-thirds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they get two-thirds?
unidentified		Well, that's food for thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing is, I never heard of a two-headed girl before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
unidentified		Like, that's why I called in, because I said, well, I didn't hear anybody call in, you know, that fainted.
		Well, they should have.
		I said, well, let me call in and throw this out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We could have talked about this half the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A two-headed holy.
unidentified		That's why I hate, because you're getting ready to go off the air pretty soon, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'm going off the air now.
		I mean, it's like I'm totally out of time.
		So from South Carolina, you're going to get the honors tonight.
		You know what to do?
unidentified		No.
		You don't?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how to say, good night, America?
unidentified		Oh, good night, America, and God bless everyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two heads, huh?

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