Art Bell explores Theodore Kaczynski’s anti-technology manifesto, linking societal assimilation to violence, while questioning Marlon Brando’s genetic engineering proposal to curb aggression—callers debate free will and potential unintended consequences like erasing passion or drive. A caller reveals an IRS threat over 87 cents, sparking discussions on government overreach and tax compliance. Hypotheticals range from Earth’s "perfect" balance to UFO debris in Roswell, with Bell balancing skepticism and surreal speculation. Ultimately, the episode blends conspiracy theories, tech ethics, and fringe ideas into a chaotic critique of modernity’s extremes. [Automatically generated summary]
Not exactly sure what I'm going to do with it, but I'm very honored.
That was an incredible, absolutely incredible motion picture.
If you get a chance to go out and read it, or maybe you already have, based on what I said last week, I'd be interested in your reaction.
Gratuitous violence?
I don't think so.
a whale of a story to be sure one of the most tense uh...
well you know i see fun from So thank you, Mark.
The Unibomber.
Theodore Kaczynski is now in a Helena, Montana jail.
The FBI going very carefully, bit by bit, through his small cabin and his whole past.
He waived hearings that would have put everything on a fast track.
And so it looks like it'll be a while before we see him in front of a grand jury.
Allegedly, he killed and evaded capture for 17 years, a math professor turned recluse.
They're looking very carefully at hotel records.
It seems on 25 occasions since 1982, he went to a Helena hotel.
On many occasions, right after the stay, they're able to document bombs exploded, killing or maiming people.
The postmarks on the bombs were never from Montana, but from various places, usually California.
He bought obscure books and read them while he was there.
But the big break of the day appears to be one of the manual typewriters at that little cabin, according to the FBI, would appear to be a match for the one used to type his manifesto.
There was a $1 million reward for his capture.
No word on whether it's going to go to the family.
And again, the reason I am now and have always been interested in the Unibomber is his message.
I read the manifesto.
Did you?
He rages against modern technology.
The very kind of things that I'm using here.
And I have questions.
We talked about this yesterday about technology.
And I wonder if it's moving just a bit faster than society's ability to assimilate it.
Anyway, with what we know of the Unabomber, he lived the life he preached.
Little cabin, broken-down bicycle, no plumbing, no electricity, an outhouse, a very austere life indeed.
So there you've got it.
I don't know that he had it all wrong about technology.
He certainly didn't have it all right either.
And the manner of the message, no matter the argument, was of course wrong.
Still looking at the plane crash into Brovnik, it looks simply like a wrong turn on approach in bad weather.
You're supposed to go to right, I guess, in bad weather.
If you cannot see the airport, he went left, which took him into a mountain and hence the loss.
Our president in Oklahoma City, marking not quite the day, but observing the day ahead of time, because on April 19th, our president is going to be in Russia.
So he went to Oklahoma City, where people are still trying to recover from the bomb, visited relatives and survivors.
And this is, of course, that terrible month.
And just about every year, something awful happens in April.
Do you expect it this year?
Do you think something awful is going to happen this year?
And then, although I'm not getting it, I am going to deal With it.
Art, please do yourself a favor.
Set your VCR to tape the replay of Larry King at 11 o'clock tonight.
No, you don't usually watch him.
But you'll really enjoy tonight's surprise interview with Marlon Brando.
Brando actually asked for the interview himself so he could comment on the Riverside police beating incident and violence in general.
He was usually very unusually passionate, has invited the woman who was beaten to come live in his home with her husband and children.
He also, get this now, he also urged research into genetic engineering in order to remove violence from the human species.
Wow.
Research into genetic engineering in order to remove violence from the human species.
Now, isn't that interesting?
Do you think we should or if we could?
Now, throughout, I guess, man's existence, we have tried various methods of modifying man.
We have drilled holes into the brain.
We've done lobotomies, leaving people sort of former shadows of themselves.
But the real key, Brando's right about that, probably lies in genetics, wouldn't you think?
But the question is, if you remove, well, that is a good question.
You tell me, what do you think would happen if somehow, genetically, we actually managed to remove man's violent nature?
Now, my bet is that a lot more would go with it.
In other words, what would be left of man, with his violent nature gone, might be very, very different.
We might all be walking around, holding hands, giving each other flowers, sort of staring blankly past each other most times with a big, dumb smile on our faces.
So I'm going to ask you, what do you think?
First of all, do you think it is a good idea to endeavor to pursue such research?
And if we did find the key, would you go for it?
I know a lot of angry people, people with flash tempers.
Boy, we could just take the edge right off them, couldn't we?
So anyway, Marlon Brando wants research into all of that.
Senate Republican leader Dole Friday urged the Senate to probe the news report that President Clinton approved covert Iranian arms shipments to Bosnia in 1994 despite a U.S. arms embargo.
Dole said the reports raised doubts about whether laws were broken and a covert operation was conducted.
So there you are.
That report began breaking last night.
Key defense prosecution witness in the Whitewater-related trial down in Little Rock admitted on the stand Friday he consulted with both a white supremacist and an organization that opposed Bill Clinton's presidential run before making allegations against Clinton.
A 72-year-old Nobel Prize winner was charged Friday with sexually abusing a 15-year-old boy that he brought to the U.S. from Micronesia.
Daniel Carlton Gogitisk, I believe it is, was arrested in Maryland after an investigation begun by the FBI last year into his relationship with children that he brought to the U.S. from the Pacific Ocean Island Group.
Incredible.
Just incredible.
The Freemen, no resolution.
Second day of negotiating.
Everybody tight-lipped.
No word on what was said.
Doesn't have to end badly, so we'll hope that one comes to some sort of resolution.
And again, an interesting story.
X-rays were detected from comet Hayukaki, I believe it is, Hayukataki.
That's it, as it passed Earth.
X-rays have never been detected from a comet or asteroid before.
So this is something completely new.
Art, I know you've got some technical background, so you probably also know it takes a damn energetic process, such as electrons slamming into a target at very high velocity, or nuclear process, to generate x-rays.
Yes, I don't have the answer to that yet, and either I might add, do they?
I now have for you 21 ways to cope with stress.
Do you have stress?
I certainly do.
And here they come.
21.
Make up a language and ask people for directions.
Make up your own language, then go around and ask people for directions.
Stare at people through the tines of a fork and pretend they're in jail.
Write a short story using alphabet soup.
Braid the hairs in each nostril.
Start a rumor and see if you recognize it when it comes back to you.
Read the dictionary upside down.
Look for secret messages.
Polish your car with Earwax.
Find out what a frog in a blender really looks like.
Leaf through the National Geographic and draw underwear on the natives.
Fill out your tax forms using Roman numerals.
Put your toddlers' clothes on backwards and send them off to preschool as if nothing is wrong.
Dance naked in front of your pets.
Make a list of things to do that you've already done.
When someone says, have a nice day, tell them you have other plans.
Pop some popcorn without putting the lid on.
Use your master card to pay your Visa card and vice versa.
And then finally, jam miniature marshmallows up your nose and sneeze them out.
See how many you can do at once.
That's 21 ways to cope with stress, which Doc Berry down in Phoenix has.
He points out the 1,500 pounds of fuel rods, we get a report every day from Doc on this, which were to be raised from their stuck position today are again reported as still stuck.
The alarms that sounded yesterday at unit number two of Palos Verde's nuclear plant were reported as being unrelated to the stuck fuel rod problem.
On day 15 of this, quote, slight, end quote, problem, with, quote, no danger to the public, end quote, and alarm bells indicating only a minor electrical box fire in the control room, we can review the public relations assault, or we can view it as similar to Three Mile Island.
Watch for glowing cats.
Dock downwind in Phoenix.
So who knows what the night tonight is going to bring?
But in short order, we will find out.
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When you have that in your hot little palm, you call it or get hold of the AT ⁇ T operator and simply dial 800-893-0903.
That's 800-893-0903.
And you know what we're going to do?
And again, I want to thank AT ⁇ T. I mean, it was an astounding feat.
There was no such thing.
We thought there was.
We went to them and said, hey, we would sure like to have an international toll-free line.
And they said, well, we'll look into it.
They came back and said, well, there is no such thing.
Never has been.
You might get it from one country, but there is no such thing as a toll-free line.
And so they went to work.
The biggest, the brightest, the best of their people, software, hardware, they did a tremendous amount of work and actually established the first international toll-free line ever done for anybody anywhere in the world.
We've got it.
Now, we figured out a way to make more use of it.
Tell you a little secret.
We're working on shortwave.
No surprise there, huh?
Next logical evolution.
But here's what we're talking about doing.
I'll tell you a little about shortwave.
There is domestic shortwave.
There are several stations scattered throughout the U.S. that transmit on shortwave.
But as a general rule, they run for shortwave what is relatively low power.
100,000 watts, 150,000, 250,000 maybe at the most.
But in the world of shortwave, commercially, that's low power.
And we think that we may have figured out a way to find a station that runs, say, a million watts.
Now, when I come back from the break, I'll tell you all about that.
But that is what we're working on.
And wouldn't that make the international line all the more fun?
Can you imagine that, say, a million watts on shortwave?
Let me tell you.
That the hams will tell you, definitely gets out.
You put about a million watts or several million on the air, eight to nine megahertz, and you're heard like a local worldwide.
Having said that, I'll tell you all about it when we come back.
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You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
She's coming in 1235.
The moon and queens reflect the stars that guide the twists of Baita.
I stopped an old man along the way, hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient melodies.
She turned to me as if...
You're listening.
to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
Anyway, to finish up on the shortwave, I've been wanting to report this to you for a long time, and finally we're going to get around to getting serious about it.
As I said, domestic U.S. shortwave stations don't run a lot of power as power goes for shortwave.
Now, the Eastern Communist bloc has broken up, as you're well aware.
There are countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, some of the Russian republics that have extremely strong shortwave transmitters.
The only problem is they're out of range to pick up any of our domestic satellite signals.
By the way, for those of you that have DISHE, we do have an analog feed up for DISH people, which is on SATCOM F1, SATCOM F1 Transponder 5, 5.8 wideband audio.
Just thought I'd drop that in for you.
But there is no way to get the signal to the European continent.
So what we're going to do, we think, is to hop Scotch over on a mid-Atlantic satellite and deliver a signal to one of these gazillion-watt transmitters somewhere in Eastern Europe and go up on short wave with a very, very, very powerful signal.
That is the tentative plan.
Now, the specifics we don't have yet, but we're going to work on it very hard.
And that should be a lot of fun.
So I thought I would let you know about that and what our plans are.
And those of you that are shortwave listeners probably understand what I'm talking about.
You may have some particular recommendations of stations that you think are most widely heard.
But that's planned.
Pretty cool, huh?
Anyway, don't forget our international line.
If you can hear us out there via the internet.
And of course, don't forget all those new photographs on my webpage, including that piece from Roswell.
My webpage is www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com.
And there you can also hear real audio via WPSL in Port St. Lucie, Florida, and the mighty WOAI in San Antonio, Texas.
So if you're anywhere in the world listening to all of that and you want to call us, again, your AT ⁇ T USA direct number, followed by 800-893-0903.
You know what I'm talking about, don't you, when I say that domestic shortwave is okay, but the big powerhouses are in the former communist Eastern Bloc countries.
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Yeah, I've heard they have the super huge stations that they used to block messages from the West.
Now, on North Korea, the BBC has been leading their news with this story for some time.
And I'm still not exactly sure what it's all about.
North Korea is saying something about either they will not maintain their portion of the DMZ any longer, not that I thought they did, or they're saying they will not respect it, or I'm not quite sure what they're saying.
And they tried to say they were doing this with the understanding of the U.S., which we have denied.
My mom had one, and she wanted to specifically show it to me.
That thing just doesn't look right.
I don't know if you heard it.
It was on the local all-news station out here in L.A. that somebody on the East Coast, a teenager know left, with a laser printer and a computer has already beaten it.
I mean, we hear from all over the country, all over the world.
And say a million or two watts on shortwave, why, that'll be even more fun.
You've got to have fun doing what you do, and I do have fun doing this, and I can just imagine, boy, can you imagine that?
A million watts, two million watts on eight or nine megahertz.
The hams out there will drool.
They know what that means.
Then during the day, if it's during the daylight cycle, which it would be in other parts of the world, maybe we'll go up, move up toward 12 megahertz in that area, 15 perhaps.
Well, that's a good idea, but in my case, what I needed was immediate massive antibiotics.
Thanks, Dan.
I appreciate the call.
And I appreciate the tip on vitamin C. My hand began to, well, it got about twice its normal size, so it became imperative, and I went down and got all the appropriate shots in inappropriate places.
We were, you know, all week we've been talking about, like, the Freemen, and I was wondering, like, you know, if it was a Hells Angels, Ku Klux Klan, you know, how much tolerance would we have for them if all of a sudden the Hells Angels said, hey, we're a patriot, you know, how much tolerance would we have for them?
You know, many people forget that Native Americans were the ones that came up with the Constitution.
You know, if you look back in history, the Cherokee people had a Constitution that almost mimicked our Constitution, and they believed in, you know, freedom is one of the highest things that they believe in in their Constitution.
People forget about that and say, you know, things derogatory about Native American Indians.
And I think that people ought to look back and take a look at that a little bit stronger.
I think freedom is probably as basic a part of our longings and wants and natural needs and all the rest of it as any human aspiration that has ever been.
Don't you suppose that would be true?
What do you think about Mr. Brando's idea of breeding or discovering a genetic way to take violence out of man?
My question for you is, if they did that, do you think that more than just our violent nature would go?
Wouldn't it sort of take the edge off altogether?
We'll be back.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
Coast to Coast AM from April
5, 1996.
Coast to Coast AM from April 5, 1996.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight's program originally aired April 5th, 1996.
Listen, before I get back onto it, don't forget our international line is open.
Just get the AT ⁇ T operator in the country in which you reside for the AT ⁇ T direct access number for America and call 800-893-0903.
That's our number.
And we'll take your call from anywhere in the world.
And we have plans.
Art, please do yourself a favor and set your VCR, which I didn't for Larry King.
But I'm using what Rick and Reno sent to me.
He said Marlon Brando asked for the interview so he could comment on the Riverside police beating incident and violence in general.
He was unusually passionate and has invited the woman who was beaten to come live in his home with a husband and children.
Also urged, this is the part I want to talk about.
He urged research into genetic engineering in order to remove violence from the human species.
You might be able to do that.
Though it is worth noting that if you found a way to remove violence, you probably also could enhance violence.
Couldn't you?
I don't know.
It was like a little lever whether you can push it to the plus side or pull it down to the minus side.
I guess on the minus side they would have all regular citizens walking around sort of smiling blandly, staring into the distance, handing each other flowers.
Talking about how we're all in this together.
One world for all.
Yes.
There wouldn't be that much passion, they'd say one world for all.
But they'd mean it.
There'd be no violence.
But you know what?
There might be no passion.
No jealousy.
No envy.
No drive.
All that might go too.
Wonder if they thought about that.
Or as I said, they might move the other way around.
Genetic research To remove violent genes from humans get real.
In other words, let us create a man who will never complain about work hours, blindly accept whatever those who understand force tell them, and willingly submit their lives, their wives, and themselves to what?
Would you call such a thing life?
Freedom?
Not me, baby.
Jefferson said it best.
Those who are willing to give up their liberties for some measure of permanent or temporary safety deserve neither.
What we're talking about doing, what brought this on for those of you who joined us at this hour, is we've got a project underway.
Now that we have got the international line, we're going to be a little more international given a little time here.
How's this for a project?
Instead of going for a domestic U.S. shortwave transmitter, we're going to try to figure a way to jump the Atlantic on what's called a subcarrier on a satellite, mid-Atlantic satellite, dump a signal down into Poland or Czechoslovakia or one of the Russian republics, independent now.
You see, they had all these great big million and multiple million watt transmitters, and they don't have a lot to do with them anymore.
They didn't need to jam us.
And they hardly even need to pump their own propaganda out anymore because, well, they've become little teddy bears.
So we thought we'd get some time and run the program on short wave, but add a million or two watts out of Europe.
How does that sound?
So that is the project.
I want to give, as well as AT ⁇ T, I've got a lot of people to give credit to for establishing the phone line.
AT ⁇ T really just did an incredible job.
I've got to give credit to the people at my network, too.
They're every bit as crazy and adventuresome as I am.
And so we have these crazy ideas, and they just jump right out and say, okay, yeah, it sounds cool.
Let's do it.
And so, you know, they're those kind of people.
And that, to a large degree, also accounts for the success that we have enjoyed here.
You know, you don't get anywhere in life by not taking a risk every now and then.
That is unless Marlon has it all bred out of us or has the little genetic switch yanked out of us that'll turn us all into happy little campers.
Of course, we touch on a lot of those topics here.
But One Dreamland a show once a week is enough.
That keeps me busy a total of six nights a week.
That's quite a schedule.
Therefore, all I have left is my Saturdays.
Except when we have an occasional holiday.
And such is going to be the case this Sunday being Easter.
I will not be here for Dreamland.
But I'm going to tell you what we are going to do.
We're going to repeat the Travis Walton interview.
Now, Travis Walton is probably the most famous abduction case.
It was the one that brought on a HBO movie, you may recall.
Well, if you want the real story of what happened with Travis Walton, we'll have him, we'll have his boss, you recall from the movie, they were out doing contract work and cutting lumber.
And there's quite a story in this.
And so his boss and Travis Walton, both on Dreamland this coming Sunday.
I had read a story a number of years ago about World War I, how the Germans had taken a projector and they had gone into the small French town and projected an image of the Blessed Mother.
And the French soldiers dropped their guns upon seeing this image.
And so it was like an instant surrender on their part.
And I wondered with our technology and holographic imagery, if they, for example, projected the image of Christ as it's predicted in the Bible, coming from east to west, how some evil force could manipulate people with that.
After all, let's face it, religion for the good or the bad, and I'm not saying which right now, probably both at times, manipulates people in their actions, in their thinking.
So would that be powerful?
Yes, potentially it would.
In this modern technological age, though, if it was a projection, it would be, you know, very quickly proven to be exactly that.
Now, if an image appeared that they could not prove was being projected, now you've got something.
And the cop car that they showed was all the windshield was broken and the lights were torn off because these people were throwing then there is nothing that occurred before that would justify, under those circumstances, a beating.
Even if it does in our minds and say, well, the son of a gun's deserved what they got, that doesn't mean they should have gotten it.
Now, if they gave those cops one bit of trouble, then yes, but there's no sign of that.
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Well, I see your point.
You're probably right.
It's just I'm probably prejudiced having grown up here in Houston where...
I just wanted to share an experience that I had recently that's partially due to you that pretty much changed my life I thought you might be interested in.
Which is really pretty, I'd say an apt title for it because it really is under a very controlled environment that you do this.
In response to the question you asked me before the break, I was thinking about it a little bit, and I guess the best way to answer it is I'm not the best way to answer it because of the nature of learning remote viewing.
It's kind of akin to like learning to play the piano.
You first learn to do your scales and practice.
And at first you're hitting all the wrong notes.
And then slowly you start to be able to play Mary Had a Little Lamb or something.
It takes a long time to become a very, very good analogy.
I just wonder if one who is particularly gifted or adept, one who could play in front of a gigantic audience in New York, you know, at a major something or another, if that level of player might be able to affect the thinking of another?
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I will tell you that I've discussed it with people.
I've heard that that has been tried and in some cases has been effective.
I can't tell you from a personal experience that.
I can tell you that from my experience, I was about as psychic as a stone.
Well, look, again, without going into all the morbid technical details, yes, I know all of that.
But my advice is, don't begin trying to decipher the U.S. tax code and try to figure out ways around it.
If you owe them 87 cents or $87 or $870 or $8,000, pay it.
I mean, if it's legitimately owed tax, pay it.
If you have a bitch about paying taxes in general, then go and vote for somebody who's trying to implement a flat tax or a total revision of the IRS.
You know, unless you just are one of the type of people who enjoys going to war with the government and it's not very enjoyable, work within the system we have to change it.
That's just my advice.
I pay my tax and I groan and I grumble about it and I would be willing to vote for somebody who would work for a revision of our tax system.
I've been calling for it for years.
But I don't think that I would go and fight it for 87 cents or whatever.
Hi, I was just calling concerning a couple things we were talking about tonight, and one was as far as the Marlon Brando removing violence genetically.
They did a whole Nightline show on it, and then I did two or three shows on it, so I'm quite familiar with it.
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Yes.
This is from a report in an area called Periscope on America Online, where they discuss how apparently there's two disagreements between the people who issued the report for the CIA.
And one of the doctors, I guess a doctor of parapsychology, actually believes there is some statistical significance to the psychic powers that some of the people in the study possess.
Well, that's probably part of what caused him to say that.
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What it primarily called for, I wonder if everybody is noticing, and maybe they should take notice if they haven't already, about the reaction with Brown's death.
Does everybody remember that there wasn't near the concern or the outcry or passion when Vince Foster was found dead?
Especially, you know, it's sad the way it's just going to keep torturing the family.
I definitely feel for them.
But Clinton, of course, he made his political plug in the midst of all that, you know, trying to keep the Commerce Department's interest going because that's one of the ones that are being targeted being shut down.
They, now more than ever, think they've got the right guy, think they've got the Unibomber.
I'm sure you've seen most of the stories.
The typewriter, they think is the one.
Turned out allowing him to publish may in the end mean he'll perish.
We'll see.
By the way, I had a fax about moving...
Don't forget, we've got our international line up toll-free internationally from anywhere in the world.
And we are presently investigating the possibility of turning on a large Eastern European shortwave transmitter with this program with about a million watts.
So that project is underway.
I've got a great network.
I've got a great bunch of people I work with.
And no matter the crazy ideas I might come up with, they're all for it.
They're pretty much as crazy as I am.
It's a match made in heaven.
And that's going to be a lot of fun.
We're going to look into it.
We may even end up making a trip to Poland or something or Czechoslovakia just for that purpose.
Bounce it off a mid-Atlantic satellite, relay it actually, dump it down into Eastern Europe, and then go up with a million watts for two or three or ten.
We'll see.
Anyway, we do have an international lineup now, so if you can hear us out there in Central America, Europe, Asia, wherever you are, and by whatever means you're hearing us, here's how you can call us.
Toll-free.
Get the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number for your country, whatever that is, and then call 800-893-0903.
800-893-0903.
Some lady called, I think it was an hour ago, and talked about marijuana enlarging breasts in males, because we were talking about violence because Marlon Brando went on Larry King last night and said that he would like to see genetic research done to remove the violent nature of man.
Well, think about that one.
How do you feel about that?
Anyway, the lady called up and said marijuana.
But she said it enlarges the male breast, and somebody sent me the following inevitably Tim from Victoria, Texas.
Dear Art, regarding that call earlier about marijuana causing breast enlargement, well, my dilemma is that as I sit here on the couch, I realize I should go buy myself a brusier.
But I just don't have the motivation to do it.
And when I do go out in public, I find the cops keep following me around everywhere I go.
Well, Tim, should have done what the president claimed he did, I guess.
High art, Marlon Brando, and others thinking it'd be a great idea to do away with violence and aggression from the human genome really need to rethink their positions without aggression or control violence.
Why, our species would not be walking around or it would with vacant smiles or distributing flowers or being nice to each other, as Brando suggests.
Instead, a lack of aggression would spell the end of humankind as a viable species.
Without aggression, you'd probably find some humans hiding in the dark, cowering in fear and praying that Comet and his fellow felines don't hunt them down and turn them into cat food.
In fact, without aggression, who would ever have heard of Marlon Brando?
Good point.
And then this art for a lot less, somebody called and talked about somebody projecting an image of Christ and what effect that would have.
Art for a lot less than it would cost to send an image of Christ from East to West.
One could accomplish the same purpose by mailing millions of pay 87 cents now or live to regret it notices from the IRS, East and West at the same time.
In fact, the name of Christ is probably used more frequently in connection with the IRS than it is in connection with church.
By the way, I have one of those IRS notices for 13 cents.
Tell the guy to wait until I send mine to him and his change won't go to waste.
Yeah, that's true.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Hello, Art.
How you doing?
I'm okay.
Just wanted to ask you if you checked your email today.
I was listening to another talk radio host, a very reputable one, and he, through the Freedom of Information Act, got some information out of the White House that showed a commission of health care.
The Clinton White House had a commission of large businessmen, you know, big business people.
One of the people that was part of it was the CEO of Motorola.
One of the commission was the guy by the name of H. Ross Perot.
And did you read or did you know of any of the information that the commission did trying to put forth as far as what their plan was for the health care?
And, you know, a lot of people are praising him and saying he ran a great commerce department.
Well, he ran the commerce department like a candy store for Clinton's special interest and his campaign people.
So if you were a big-time contributor to Clinton or a big supporter, you know, and you had a nice business going, there's a good chance Ron could take you over to a foreign country, taxpayer, you know, provide a jet.
When flying saucers land on the White House lawn and the aliens say, take me to your leader, how will the Secret Service respond?
Answer, Hillary, there's someone here who wants to talk to you.
Well, if you were to take that question and modify it just a little bit, I'm wondering what kind of answer you would give if the little gray guys landed anywhere in this country and said, take me to your leader, who do you think they would be taken to?
Now, the obvious answer is, well, President Clinton.
But there's a lot of people here who don't think he's the real leader.
So if the saucer came down and the CIA or the Secret Service or the FBI, I suppose you would hope it would be the FBI if it was a domestic landing, were consulted and wanted to go to the leader, who would the little gray guys really be taken to?
A lot of people would not come on the air and say, I'm a stripper.
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Oh, well, thank you.
I'm not really ashamed of what I do.
And I think it's a good living, and I'm not really doing anything wrong, and I'm not hurting anyone.
It's all in good fun, you know.
They just come in there, have a good time, and look at you and talk, and most of them just want somebody to keep them company for a little while, you know?
I've been a cop for 17 years, and this stuff that they keep talking about, all this stuff like out in California and things like that, it kind of upsets me to a certain extent.
And I've been listening to you and listening to the comments of other people.
You know, not all police officers are that way.
There is few and far between.
Seem like here lately everybody's been videotaped.
Yeah, well, you know, police officers are humans, and it just seems kind of strange that, you know, that the people that are not police officers, you know, they downgrade them.
You know, I've been in many pursuits.
I've been stabbed and been spit at, been jumped on, been kicked, and called every name in the book.
And it just seems kind of odd that these people out there that, you know, they don't have any sympathy for the police officer.
As far as, yeah, true enough, I watched this last one and I didn't think it was righteous and I think they ought to hang them, really.
I mean, if you're a bad cop, shame on you.
Just like anybody else, bad banker or bad business person, if you can't do your job right, you shouldn't be in it.
just my view and you know I'm just one of many thousands of police officers out there that I And how many videotapes do we see of cops helping little old ladies across the street?
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Well, that's correct.
Over the years, I've had a few good experiences, and that's what keeps me in the business, is that the people out there, most of them generally like police officers, but then again, the same person, you stop them on traffic and going to write them a ticket, their attitude changes awful drastically because they're going to have to pay some fines out.
You know, I'm a little heavy on the pedal there, and I've been given my share of speeding tickets, and I've always been, with one exception, I've always been in the wrong and knew that he had me cold, and I accept the ticket graciously, and usually at the end, even though I kick myself for doing it, he hands me the ticket and I say thank you.
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Yeah, I understand that.
I've been that way myself.
Even, you know, out of uniform, luckily the police officers that I have that stopped me have been very gracious and given me the courtesy of saying, well, thank you, sir.
Could you please slow it down?
And yes, sir, I sure will.
Of course, a lot of police officers I've stopped have had this different attitude.
Hey, I'm a police officer.
I can do what I want to you, on duty or off-duty.
And I explained to them real quick, you can't do that.
Keeping control of and in your head what a whole bunch of police cars and officers are doing, what kind of call they're on.
Controlling the local fire department at the same time, dispatching fire, and talking to frantic people on 911 lines.
I did that for a year.
And of course, that doesn't make you a cop, but since you are the one who dispatches the cops, in other words, you control their workload, they show some deference to you.
And as I said, I'm a little heavy on the pedal, and I remember going home one day in excess of the speed limit by probably about 20 miles an hour.
And I was stopped, and I didn't claim any special, and I didn't even tell the cop who I was, even though I dispatched him.
And he wrote out the ticket and asked me for, took a look at my ID.
After he had written the ticket, somehow he took a look at the ID a little closer and figured out who I was and got jumping up and down angry because he was going to have to cancel that ticket because there was no way in hell he was about to write a dispatcher a ticket.
He was really angry with me for not telling him who I was in the first place.
I mean, I'll tell you privately, he said, do you think I'm out of my mind?
Do you think I'm going to write you a ticket?
I know your boss and he determines my workload.
And you let me write out this, and you was angry with me.
So cops rarely give each other tickets.
It's part of the great code of silence and protection of each other that occasionally gets them In trouble.
And that's a small example of it, but it's a true story.
So I got chewed out for not telling him who I was.
He had to end up ripping that ticket up.
I said, go ahead, give it to me.
He said, Are you kidding?
We'll be back.
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You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
Coast AM from April
Coast AM from April 5th, 1996.
5th, 1996.
In the year 25, 25 If man is still alive, if woman can survive,
They may fall In the year 35, 35 Ain't gonna need to tell the truth Tell no lies Everything you
think, do and say Is in the field you took today In the year 35, 35 Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your heart You won't find a thing to chew Nobody's gonna look at you In the year 55, 55 Your arms are hanging with past your heart
Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight's program originally aired April 5th, 1996.
What if China, or Red China, which is correct, China, okay.
What if China, with the help financial and technical of Libya and Muammar Gaddafi, it's got thrown a little money in too, has got a nice satellite up there in the sky that locked into the airplane's computer and shot it down and froze it.
And the plane went right into the side of the hill.
And maybe as a message to tell Americans that you're not in control like you think, and poor Mr. Clinton, his wife and child were on the plane a week earlier.
On the other hand, it could be just good old-fashioned bad weather, too.
I mean, crashes have occurred.
Near as I can tell, despite what else you may have heard, if you look at the Dubrovnik airport approach, it is, under the best of conditions, difficult.
The non-directional beacons, two of them, at best, troubled.
And if you make a wrong turn, if you go the way you should not go, then you run into a 2,500-foot mountain, which is exactly what they did.
I'm already getting a whole lot of speculation.
I mean, you ought to see all the facts as I get.
It's really kind of ridiculous.
The Clinton Circle of Death, I could go through them.
The Clinton Circle of Death increasing by one more.
Let's see, that was one.
They were actually trying to kill Hillary, but got Ron Brown by mistake.
There's just a whole pile of them that I haven't even bothered to read.
You just would not believe what it is people imagine.
No matter how obvious an explanation for something, there are those who refuse to believe the simple and absolutely must reach out for the complex and unlikely.
What do you think would happen, though, if they did find the gene and a way to control it or change it to literally pull violence away from human beings?
Seems to me an awful lot of people.
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I can't imagine.
I mean, like, I think of my dad, and, you know, he had me when he was really young, he and my mom.
And I think if he hadn't had that edge, we wouldn't have made it.
And, you know, that's a movie that's just all about what happens when you take people and you, through drug manipulation or whatever, you take emotion away from them.
I don't know if anybody's thought about this, but, you know, it's getting closer to election time, and everybody knows how liberals start turning more conservative when it gets closer to election.
Or as you pointed out, with election year coming, like our illustrious president, he finds himself having to move to the right to become as populist as possible and try once again to eke out a 43 percenter.
Yes, I've been following that for days, and Mama Cat is on the heel.
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Yeah, so it's weird.
I grew up around cats all my life, and from my opinion, is most cats, you would think, when faced with danger, tend to shy away, but there's that maternal instinct.
To imagine a cat that would go into a fully engulfed burning building five times, burning itself to the degree that all its hair, its fur, burned off and it got very bad burns on its body.
That is an amazing thing, that the maternal instinct, even in a cat, is that strong with a total disregard for its own life and the prospect of burning up, very real, it plowed through those flames to get its kittens and brought them out of that building.
I don't know, what do you say about that?
While some human mothers toss their babies out of tall buildings and other human mothers strap their babies in the back seats of cars and roll the cars into the water.
Actually, if Taiwan, in totality, went belly up, then the odds are that it would be another foreign radio.
Let me tell you a little something about the American people.
We're a market-driven country, and No matter how much you wish it or anybody wishes it, that's not going to change.
The American people, no matter what they say, will buy the best for the money.
You know, you hear a lot of people mouthing off about, well, I only buy it if it's American-made.
And that's a fine sentiment, but I'll tell you what, that's all it is.
Otherwise, it's a bunch of baloney, and I am no different, and I'll freely admit that to you.
When I go shopping for a product, I try to get the best deal I can for my money.
The best quality product.
I'm very quality conscious.
And the best buy for my money.
And I am not different than most Americans.
You hear a lot of people who mouth this or mouth that, like that guy was sort of trying to twist around and say.
Well, sort of, wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan went belly up and C. Crane had to bring all those jobs back?
What a sort of a trashy thing to say anyway, because Crane never took them out.
The only thing he did was find the best radio, and that right now happens to be the Sanjin 818CS.
That's not even a paid commercial.
That's just a damn fact.
So the best way for America to get things back, and by the way, that process is underway right now, is for America to make the best product at the best price.
We had an international call from Africa, South Africa.
But it came right at the beginning of the news, and I picked it up when I should not have.
So if he calls back, he calls back.
Anyway, if you're out there internationally, we do have a toll-free international line, and you are more than welcome to give us a call if you can get through.
And I'll try not to pick it up during newscasts.
And other times I will try and watch for it to ring.
It's kind of hard.
I've got a whole bank of lines ringing here, and I've got to be able to catch it at the right time.
But we'd love to hear from you internationally.
You know where I'd really like to hear from?
Tahiti.
I know I've got a lot of listeners in Tahiti.
They could call, if they could get to a phone.
Just get the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number wherever you are in the world, and then dial, not a one, but just 800-893-0903.
That's 800-893-0903.
Art, what if you had a time machine, it's always one of my favorite what-ifs, went 200 years ahead, and in the history books, the Unibomber was a hero.
Maybe with statues erected to what he had done.
Well, that'd be a sad thing, wouldn't it, if it turned out that technology was such a horrible thing, that the man who had railed against it, even killed trying to get the message out that it was horrible and a mistake for humanity, if it turned out that man was right.
Now, there's a good basis for a movie.
Remember What are World?
How about Shanty World, where everybody tears down their homes, trashes their cars, their mix masters, their microwave ovens, their computers, trashes it all, and goes back to living as the Unibomber was in a little handmade shanty with no electricity or running water.
Shanty world where technology has been proven to be evil and where we have turned back the clock and erected statues of thanks to the Unibomber.
Some future world where we have realized that technology is the tool of the devil, and we've all given it up, trashed our microwaves, our cars, everything, gone back to living in shanties.
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Well, yeah, I don't exactly see that happening.
I don't think it's going to happen.
But I wanted to talk to you about this brando thing with the genetic engineering and stuff.
Well, in that case, it would be a normal evolutionary change, and we'll all be flower people eventually, and we won't have to tamper with the gene to get there.
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Right, well, then in that way, I think I'd see it as a good thing.
I wanted to talk about these freemen and the whole idea of revolting against the government in general.
All right.
First of all, I don't support them, and I think they have obviously probably broken the law and deserve to be punished.
But as far as revolting from the government, our founding fathers pretty much gave us license to do it if we ever found ourselves under a tyrannical government.
I mean, if the government ever truly became tyrannical, in a sense that caused enough people to believe it to be so, then, yeah, you know, there'd probably be a revolution.
But that time, obviously, is not now, and the issues are not present to cause people to revolt.
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But even in that case, my point is there's always going to be people that are going to be in support of the government no matter how tyrannical it becomes, and they're going to call the revolters outlaws and wackos and all the things we're hearing now.
So it's just a matter, and our founding fathers would have been jailed, and they would have gone down in history as a bunch of Timothy McVays had they lost the Revolutionary War.
Actually, if you look at those who penned the Declaration of Independence, you'll find that many of them ended up hung, swinging from trees and ruined financially and had their careers and lives destroyed.
That's all very true, but again, I point out to you, that time is not now, and the issues are not present.
Or else you would see that going on.
And I'm very glad, I'm actually gratified that the American people stood back a little bit on this one and said, now wait a minute, this is not another Ruby Ridge.
This is not another Waco.
We have listened, and what we discern is that this is something else.
And so the militias and those on the cutting edge of worrying about a tyrannical takeover had the common sense to say this is not the time.
This is not the issue.
And these guys are not the martyrs that we might be looking for.
And I think that a lot of that was achieved by some of what we did here in talking to the people of Montana.
All but the very closed minds were able to discern by listening to those calls that this was not what they thought it might be.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
How are you doing?
Okay.
I want to know, what if this is just a big test tube?
Would you think that it would be when regarded by the scientist, whoever that would be, conducting the experiment, would it be a success?
unidentified
I don't know, because when you think about it, just like us being here, it seems so artificial at times.
I don't know, it's like all these cells were out there and learning to adapt, then cells could have learned to adapt on Mars, on Jupiter, or or any place else.
It's then it's just like I don't know, it's Earth, it's just like it's just a big test tube and, you know, and uh, you know it's like one of the things about us and the dinosaurs it's like we were brought here and the dinosaurs and stuff were here first and you know then we couldn't survive with them because they were bigger so it's like wherever we drop this off here like kill the dinosaurs so we could live I don't know think of it this way sir maybe one of these days soon a great hand will come down and take the earth like a petri dish and
and dump it into the lab sink, and down the drain we'll go.
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Because it feels too, I mean, you have this big wilderness, I mean this big vastness of space, and you try not to be blasphemous and think, and you do want to think that God put us all here, and then you hear the other side that we all evolved from microbes, and sometimes really kind of none of it makes sense.
And it's like there's a bigger picture out there, and we just can't see it.
I called you a few years ago and I'm chronically mentally ill and I didn't know how to answer when you said, referring to the Mensa article about offing, so to speak, the mentally ill to preserve the gene pool.
I didn't know how to answer that, but I have an answer for it.
And what I think is that you would, Mensa or whoever would do it, would have to off 30% of the country.
Since then, somebody walked into the Roswell UFO Museum with an alleged piece of the debris from the debris field.
This is a man who, all those years ago, put just one piece of the debris into his pocket.
It was held all these years.
There are presently tests underway to determine its makeup, which is an odd combination of silver, copper, silver.
Now, I've done a little bit of reading about it, and traditionally in this country, when those elements are combined, they are combined in a certain percentage.
In other words, a certain percentage of silver versus copper.
And there are now tests being done to determine if these are terrestrial percentages.
In other words, the actual materials are thought to be common throughout the universe.
If you believe in the Big Bang Theory, then planets and suns and stuff, as Carl Sagan would say, would all be the same, whether you go to the moon or Mars or Jupiter.
The same basic chemical and mineral makeups would exist everywhere.
So it would not be unusual to find the same general materials, but perhaps with a different mix.
And that's what they're looking at right now.
East of the Rockies you're on the air hi how you doing Erk I'm okay this is John from Big Lake hi John actually what I have is a request okay I was wondering if you could play both of your Bigfoot yells so I could get them on tape well, I only usually do that when we have a Bigfoot story to go with it.
Now, in a couple of weeks, I'm gonna have a Bigfoot guy on.
I had somebody do something very interesting, and I've got the file.
He it's another example of people people having too much time in their hands, but he took the Bigfoot yell, got a good recording of it, and did a digital enhancement of it, taking random noises out.
And it was even, if anything, worse than the original.
Anyway, as far as the Unibomber question, of course, there's going to be book deals, and I also hear there's already a mini-series, four-hour minutes mini-series.
Well, then I guess the militias would get very upset.
I've got even a better what-if for you.
There are several organizations that would like added to the present anti-terrorism bill a provision that would be anti-militia.
And you want a good what-if?
I'll give you one.
What if the government passed, somehow, an anti-militia bill well within the realm of possibility?
Then you'd really have something to fight about, wouldn't you?
There are several organizations, in case you didn't know it, who are lobbying to have an anti-militia provision put in the so-called anti-terrorist bill.
What do you think would happen if such a thing was passed and signed by the president?
You might be able to get away with it then if you could watch it very carefully.
But generally, if you make a Canadian say out, they say oot, and then they're oot.
So it'd be very simple.
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Well, it depends, too, on whether you're Canadians from Newfoundland, from Quebec, or from British Columbia, because a lot of people from British Columbia sound like people from Oregon or Washington.
I mean, for me, it's like for me instead of for me.
It's like listening to Americans.
Like, you get somebody talking a newscaster, and he sounds like a Canadian.
Then you get somebody from Louisiana or Kentucky phoning, they got the accent, and then somebody from California phones, and they may or may not have a different accent.
I appreciate the sentiment and understand where you are headed there.
A lot of Canadians are doing exactly that.
And the CRTC in Canada is, it would make the FCC look like a totally deregulated body.
I mean, they have a lot of regulation up there.
And a lot of the broadcasters live somewhat in fear of the CRTC.
And while they certainly can put American broadcasting on up there, they sort of live in fear of that.
So you want to see a government with a lot of regulation look up to Canada, talk to Canadian broadcasters, and boy, I'll tell you, they'll tell you some stories.
And what I'm calling about is a couple nights ago on the news, there was a little piece, and I haven't seen anything more about it, about the Shroud of Turin.
This is a scientist in France named Jean-Baptiste Renault has been studying the Shroud, and he believes that the image on the Shroud was caused by radiation from a nuclear explosion.
And he said that he believes it is no older than the 14th century.
And the head on the left controlled the left side of the body.
And what amazed me was that the head wasn't deformed in any kind of way or nothing.
You know, nice looking young girl.
And the father and mother was there, and they showed videotapes of when they were born and when they were like two years old playing outside and everything.