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April 4, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - Unabomber, N. Korea, Freemen

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, right here in the middle of the high desert, we bid you good morning or good evening, depending on your time zone across all these many.
		From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, on eastward to the Caribbean, the U.S. Virgin Islands.
		Similar little pictures of both areas.
		South West South America.
		of Belize, north to the pole.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, live talk radio throughout the nighttime right here.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Good to be with you.
		We've got a lot to talk about.
		Still in the news, the downing of Ron Brown's airplane near the Dubrovnik Airport.
		The 737 men went down killing Commerce Secretary Ron Brownman.
		Now we're killing 34.
		Others was about three miles north of the airport.
		Yes, the weather was bad, but why the crash?
		Well, the plane was off course.
		Indicated mountains.
		How come?
		They're looking at the navigation system there at Brodnik.
		It's very primitive.
		Two beacons that operate.
		But I guess it had some problems.
		President is grieving, but is going to Oklahoma City tomorrow.
		First, he will plant a tree to commemorate his friend Ron Brown.
unidentified		Life beginning as it ends, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know what the moral to this story is, except live every day as if it were your last, because it might be.
		An awful lot of notice being given to Ron Brown by the president.
		Very little mention of the others that were on the airplane, and there were 34 others, many of them very important people, CEOs of the major corporations of this country.
		So just a horrible accident, and I don't know what else you can say about it.
		Except as I say, live every day as though it were your last, because one day it will be.
		Not maybe, but will be.
		We're all here for a fixed time.
		Some of us departing faster than normal, some of us courtesy of the Unibomber.
		For many, many, many years now, federal authorities have been seeking the Unibomber.
		They think they have him.
		Theodore Kaczynski is the man's name.
		He's only a suspect at this point.
		But according to NBC, he seems to fit the profile of a mad bomber.
		Their words.
		A former Berkeley math professor, Mr. Kaczynski, who's been living the life of a hermit in the Montana Mountains, was charged today, but not yet as the Unibomber, with a single charge of making an illegal explosive device.
		Now they have much more.
		This thus far is all they have charged him with.
		He said that he had no money for a lawyer, couldn't afford one, so one was appointed for him a public defender.
		He's been ordered held without bail.
		And thus far, what they found does seem damning.
		In other words, a partially finished pipe bomb, notes on how to build bombs, notes on hiding bombs in boxes, and various and sundry explosive chemicals.
		Federal officials say the materials, the chemicals, match the materials used in previous attacks.
		Now, that is very damning.
		Federal officials also saying they found two manual typewriters, and they will be checked against the manifesto typed by the Unibomber and notes, various notes sent over the years by the Unibomber.
		The Unabomber's family helped in his capture.
		They, apparently, living in Chicago, were getting ready to move, and as you do when you move, you know, you sort through a lot of things.
		They found suspicious notes that led them to believe their very own might be the Unabomber and turned it all over to the FBI.
		That was about a month prior to the arrest.
		The FBI went to work.
		One agent yesterday saying simply, this is him.
		So who is this guy who for 18 years sent bombs and blew up people?
		Well, it seems like he was living the life that he preached.
		Living alone, very much alone, a hermit in fact, since the 1970s.
		Lived in a hand-built cabin he built it.
		Rode a bicycle only, didn't have a car, didn't have any plumbing in his house, no electricity, no running water, a heavy-duty environmentalist, well-educated, went to Harvard, University of Michigan, won some science awards, taught at Berkeley, then dropped out.
		Then beginning three years later, the bombings all began.
		All of them aimed at technology, at people who have something to do with computers, executives, that sort of target, then of course the Unibomber Manifesto.
		Now finally, perhaps the Unibomber himself.
		At least you can say of him, I guess, that he's lived the life he apparently preached.
		And I don't know what else you can Say.
		If, by the way, he is ultimately charged with this bombing spree, California Governor Pete Wilson's vowing to do everything possible to make sure he's tried in California, where two people were killed by the unibomber.
		And you know what I think?
		I think that's not such a good idea.
		I understand why Governor Wilson would like it.
		But trials, big trials, have not turned out well in recent years in California.
		And my inclination would be to say better somewhere else.
		And there are, I believe, many opportunities because the Unibomber has done his work all over the country.
		The California beatings by the Riverside County Sheriff's deputies continue to reverberate of the illegal aliens.
		The videotaped beatings, both defendants, the man and woman beaten, have filed lawsuits seeking $10 million in damages.
		I wonder how long the line of lawyers was trying to see them after this.
		Should such a lawsuit be allowed?
		After all, they are accused of serious felonies.
		They are not citizens of the country.
		And it's a good question.
		Should such a lawsuit be allowed?
		It is a civil suit.
		No doubt they'll go after the deputies involved, their families, the department itself, and the county of Riverside.
		I'm sure they'll go after that, trying to determine where the deep pockets are, where the money is.
		Dear Art, here's the facts.
		First, the use of force for police is as follows, remembering that the least amount of force to affect the arrest is all that can be used.
		In order, verbal.
		Two, a show of force, in other words, numbers, backup.
		Three, hand-to-hand fighting.
		Four, the night stick.
	Five, chemical mace, pepper, that sort of thing.
	Six, taser or dog, if at hand.
	And then finally, seven, deadly force, including guns.
	So you see, pulling the guns first would not follow doctrine.
	Well, I disagree with that.
	Pulling guns and the use of guns, that would be two different things.
	I would think that pulling guns in that situation would have been appropriate, and I would not have winced at that.
	For all they knew, the people in the truck had shotguns.
	And I'll tell you this, if I were a cop, I wouldn't be approaching that truck with a gun with the intent to fire it as soon as I got my target in sight.
	But I'd damn sure have it out and ready, wouldn't you?
	So that's where that stands, $10 million being sought.
	Free men in Montana.
	No breakthrough yet.
	The FBI is talking to the Freemen, though.
	Three free men without arms came out to the edge of their property, set up little chairs, and had a sit-down talk with the FBI for about an hour and 15 minutes yesterday.
	The message seems to be from the FBI, this does not have to end badly.
	There doesn't have to be a war here.
	Let's talk.
	Now, we have no idea how it went, but the officials say the more talk, the less chance of violence in the end.
	Maybe cooler heads can prevail, and I too think this does not have to end violently.
	I think that is nearly always sealed once somebody has been shot.
	I mean, if you've got the loss of life, then it's probably too late.
	The people inside know what they're going to be charged with, and they'll fight it to the death before something like that happens.
	You can talk effectively.
	The Texas Attorney General, get this, says an admitted child molester can be voluntarily castrated before he is released from prison.
	The ruling by the Attorney General could pave the way for Larry Don McQuay, 32, to undergo the procedure he says will curb his lust for children.
	And of course, he has said that if he is released without it being done, he will molest and kill again.
	So it sounds like they're going to grant his wish.
	I don't know that it's going to do any good.
	It would be interesting to have a medical opinion on that.
	I mean, who knows why somebody commits a crime against a child?
	This inmate seems to feel that it's medical.
	I don't think so.
	It can't hurt, but I'm not convinced it will help.
	But on the other hand, if he's bound and determined to volunteer, it'll make an interesting test case.
	Now, again from Doc Berry, three days in a row, the alarm bells sounded at Palos Verdes nuclear power plants, unit number two today.
	The public and media were told the alarms were only for a regular fire in a control box.
	The 1,500 pounds of rods are still stuck, have been since March 22nd.
	Federal nuclear regulatory crews are there now.
	The media is being told there's no danger to the public.
	If your cats glow in the dark, it's because of a northeast wind from Arizona.
	Doc.
	Then this, responding to Doc's previous messages, Art over the last few days, you've quoted some facts as sent to you from a party referred to as Doc Berry.
	After having spent six and one-half years at that plant during its construction, I feel obligated to inject something here.
	Palo Verde was in the process of construction when the incident occurred at Three Mile Island.
	Due to the fact that Three Mile Island units were very similar to Palo Verde units, safety factors were introduced at Palo Verde to offset any possibility of a repeat of what happened at Three Mile Island.
	These safeguards required a completion time extension of about two years, which made Palo Verde, in addition to being the largest, also the safest.
	The refueling of a nuclear reactor is done while it is completely submerged in boron-rich water.
	Boron water solution is used to neutralize the radioactivity at times during the changing of the fuel cells.
	In other words, from the reactor through the tunnel to the fuel storage and in the used fuel storage area.
	In addition to the water boron safety factor, the whole operation is done within the confines of the containment building, which has facilities to take care of the removal of anything that might contaminate the atmosphere within the confines of the building.
	You will probably be informed by Doc Berry about a fire in the control room resulting in alarms going off.
	Are the control room is separated from the reactor by many feet of reinforced concrete.
	So as a result, there can be no interaction between the two problems.
	Basically, the refueling of a reactor is done in a manual mode.
	It keeps it separate from the control room, which by necessity goes through a maintenance procedure during the refueling process so problems can arise.
	Due to the fact that I reside downwind from Palo Verde, I naturally became interested in the safety of the plant as it would be after completion.
	I'd like to say it this time, I have not changed my place of residence.
	So in other words, he feels it's safe, and that is what I hear from many people.
	And with regard to these plants and what goes on inside, it's really, really hard to know what to believe.
	Because the only thing I'm fairly sure of is that if something did occur, unlikely as it may be, why I have serious doubts about whether we'd be told.
	Dear Art, last night a caller mentioned that a report on Roswell could be purchased from the government.
	It is true.
	For a mere $52, you can buy a 996-page report titled The Roswell Report, Fact vs.
	Fiction in the New Mexico Desert.
	The official position is, you guessed it, it was only Project Mogul.
	So 996 pages of saying it was just Project Mogul.
	AOL News, that's America Online, which I enjoy, has asked its members if their only opportunity to experience outer space required they spend five months aboard a space station.
	Would they accept the idea?
	Now, bear in mind, 12,709 people responded.
	Of that number, 9,349 said yes.
	73.56%.
	22.919% said no.
	And only 4.25 were undecided.
	So 73%, better than, of the people said, yeah.
	Given an opportunity to go to space, even if I had to stay five months, I would definitely do it.
	By the way, I've got a very interesting article here entitled.
	Well, there is no title.
	There are two subtitles.
	What to do if your pet is possessed and warning signs of a possessed pet.
	So bearing that in mind as something coming up that you're not going to want to miss, stay right where you are.
unidentified		You're welcome.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 4th, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who sent this to me.
		It's got a picture of a cat with wide eyes, long fangs, an open mouth.
		And I believe that there's a little saliva dripping from the corner of its feline jaws.
		And it's entitled, What to Do If Your Pet is Possessed?
		If your pet has any of the above symptoms, you can take action by taking your pet to a veterinarian.
		You must eliminate the possibility that your pet's behavior, of course, is caused by a health problem.
		Consulting your priest, preacher, or rabbi.
		He can help you find an exorcist to drive the evil spirit out of your pet.
		And then I have not enough time to read it all, but a list of warning signs of a possessed pet.
		Your innocent pet could wind up harboring a raging demon, ruining your happy home life.
		But if you know how to spot the seven warning signs that your pet is possessed, you can react quickly to minimize the damage.
		Things like sudden changes in behavior.
		An outgoing friendly pet suddenly becomes shy, depressed, or hostile.
		Sneakiness.
		Pet behaves while you're watching, but becomes destructive when your back is turned.
		Frenzy.
		Pet demonstrates extreme reactions to ordinary events, such as a dog who throws himself at the door, barking, scratching, and howling when someone passes by in front of the house.
		Malevolence.
		That seems to wish you Or others in the household ill, often watching you in a very demonstrably unfriendly way.
		Any other signs of a possessed pet coming up after the break?
		Don't forget, we've got our international line, we believe, up and working.
		We'll get that number to you in a moment.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
		4th, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		You know, I kind of like getting started the second half hour with this one, you may have noticed.
		There's just something about it that kind of gets my blood going.
		You know what?
		This is from the steel diamond, of course.
		Hot August 9th.
		Anyway, listen, we've got an international line now.
		It's an international toll-free line.
		So if you're listening anywhere outside the United States, Mexico, or Canada, you can make a free, I said free call to us, and I'm about to give you the number.
		And how to get in.
		It's very easy, really.
		You just call the operator in your country and get the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number.
		And then either you dial it or you dial up the AT ⁇ T operator in your country.
		And then you have her call or you call 800-893-0903.
		Let me give that again.
		800-893-0903.
		No matter how you're hearing us on the internet, courtesy of one of our big 50,000 waters that goes blazing across all over the place.
		However it is, it will be toll-free for you, toll-free, from anywhere in the world if you call that number.
		The USA Direct Access Number followed by 800-893-0903.
		Now, we've covered the first signs of possession of your pet.
		Sudden change in behavior, sneakiness, frenzy, malevolence, and now excitement at misfortune.
		In other words, your pet becomes elated and overactive when something goes wrong in the household.
		As if he or she seems to be actually enjoying the event.
		Deterioration in personal habits.
		A pet enjoys filth, such as foul water, dirty food or waste.
		Appearance undergoes a change for the worse.
		And then finally, nosiness.
		A possessed pet, I guess that's noisiness, will screech, howl, and even scream.
		Noises increase over time, and they seem to have no logical cause.
		If any of these things, or several of these signs, apply to your pet, your pet may well be possessed.
		High art, it's characteristic of criminals to do stupid things that end up getting them caught.
		Wouldn't it be interesting if the typewriters seized from the Unimamer were actually the ones used to type the manifesto?
		This guy is a Harvard graduate.
		Borders on being a genius.
		He should have skipped a few math classes and watched a few more Perry Mason episodes instead, as from Scott.
		And then finally, before we go to the phones, this.
		Bob from Tempe High Art called many times now.
		Went along with you on the Orient trip.
		Remember?
		I asked you a long question at the question and answer meeting, yes, I recall.
		I am a history major here at Arizona State University.
		Wanted to say something about religion.
		I've noticed a lot of people calling in lately, making reference about whether you're a good Christian or not, and usually criticizing you, calling you the Antichrist, no matter what your answer.
		I agree with you that religion is an intensely personal matter.
		No matter how much sense someone speaks, you can never be talked into religion.
		I guess a lot of religious people are just not aware of this.
		I sat right behind you in the temple of the Emerald Buddha in Thailand.
		I'm presently in the middle of a deep study of myself And how I view God.
		Haven't come up with any definitive answer, but I know that with time I'll arrive at something, something I believe to be the truth.
		And as Jesus said, the truth shall set you free.
		Though I appreciate that, and I remember the moment well at the Emerald Buddha in Thailand.
		It was a very special time.
		All right, to the phones, any topic you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
		East of the Rockies looks like you're first up this morning.
		You're on the air, coast to coast AM with Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine.
unidentified		My name is Dean, and I was calling to see if you'd be interested in appearing on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dean, number one, would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
		I've got to tell everybody that.
		It's like a regular instruction.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Actually, that was from the Internet.
		Okay.
		I'd like to invite you to show up to the us.undernet.org chat room we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		USUndernet org.
		That's correct.
		What is there?
unidentified		We have two things.
		We have a UFO channel that there are quite a few interested parties, as well as an Art Bell channel.
		Right now we've got about 30 people in there listening to your show and chatting back and forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey guys.
		Well, okay, there's yet another one, sir.
		I thank you for the call.
		That's part of the growing internet weave.
		Sometimes it's a little difficult to see a revolution when you are right in the middle of it.
		But this one seems very easy to see.
		Does it not to you?
		I'm talking about the internet, computers, and the way things are going right now.
		Have you noticed that you cannot listen to a program, you cannot view a CNN news show or even the networks that don't yield up at some point a World Wide Web address?
		We are in the middle of a revolution.
		A very, very fast-moving revolution in America right now.
		I guess in the world.
		I have never in my life seen such a rapid increase in the use of the net.
		It is very...
		It's almost a living organism.
		Now, of course, it is not.
		But in many ways, it is like that.
		And I wonder how many of you have thought about it.
		This incredible interconnection that has occurred not as a planned thing.
		In other words, there was no great master plan that somebody sat down and put together about how the whole world will be connected by computer with email and messaging and photographs and anything you want transferred back and forth.
		Nobody planned it out exactly.
		It just, it sort of happened.
		And it's happening very, very quickly now.
		It is a true dimensional jump.
		It's a revolution, and it's occurring right now.
		And like the frog or the lobster cooking in the pot that continually gets warmer, I think that we're not noticing it.
		I certainly am, and many of you may be, but I have never seen such a fast change in all my life.
		Have you?
		It is quite remarkable.
		This organism that is beginning to grow called the internet.
unidentified		Amazing.
		you Thank you.
		Now we take you back to the night of April 4th, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Well, you would have been.
		I think we just missed you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		This is Frank in Evanston, Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a little poem that I wrote about the Unibomber, if you'd like to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'd rather not.
		I'd rather not have people read.
		It just doesn't work out.
		But if you want to talk to me about the Unibomber, we can do that.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, I just think that what's been happening with the Unibomber, I mean, we really don't know if it's really the gun in Montana that did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't, but I cited what they had so far, and that sounds fairly damning.
unidentified		I mean, a lot of people, I mean, especially out west here, I mean, we all make bombs to, or I guess you'd call it, or get dynamite for stumps and this and that.
		So, I mean, you know, you don't really know.
		I mean, a lot of people have strong opinions, too, against the government out here.
		That doesn't make just because we make something to blow up a stump or we have anti-government feelings doesn't mean that necessarily that we're out here killing people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people blow up stumps with pipe bombs?
unidentified		Well, I haven't personally, but I've made little bombs myself through that.
unidentified		So have I. You know, I mean, I have a little bit of chemistry background, and I don't know if what I'm doing is illegal, but I'm not doing it for illegal purposes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of these people make pipe bombs and then construct meticulous notes on how to place them and send them in packages?
unidentified		Well, that I don't.
unidentified		I guess you have a point there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there's the chemical makeup of the bombs matching the bombs that went off and killed people earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fairly heavy point there, huh?
unidentified		Oh, did they say that?
unidentified		They're similar?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't know that.
		Uh-huh.
		Well, thanks a lot, Art.
		I appreciate it.
		Have a good job.
		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good day, sir.
		I think they've got their man.
		Now, of course, everybody is innocent until proven guilty, but I think they've got their guy.
		The question is: what would drive somebody to do that?
		And I think the answer is, to me, fairly obvious.
		One, the man did live the life that he preached.
		We've already covered that.
		Two, would be this hatred of what I just talked about.
		The growing web of the Internet, computers, telecommunications, modern technology.
		I had a man who called the show the other night.
		You may have heard him.
		And he said, all technology is of the devil.
		Satan.
		All technology.
		Now forget the fact that he was using a phone to call me and was himself on the internet and hundreds of radio stations distributed by a geosynchronous satellite and technology that he couldn't possibly even understand.
		Forget all that.
		But he said all of this is of the devil.
		Maybe that's why he or one of his friends called up and said I was the Antichrist.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm in Clackmouth, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You know what I think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know what you mean.
unidentified		I think God should make it rain 40 days and 40 nights and get rid of all these evil people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about all the good people that would drive?
unidentified		Oh, then they'd go to heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd go to heaven, and everybody else would sink, sink, sink down in fiery...
unidentified		I'm sure Leonard would agree with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he would.
unidentified		Maybe he'll call you up tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he will.
unidentified		Okay, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		I wish it had rained for 40 days and 40 nights and ship all these sinners off to hell so we Christians could be sucked up go to heaven.
		Wishing for a flood, huh?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, I have all your phone numbers except for your fax line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are not a first-time caller?
unidentified		Yeah, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		Somebody wanting to fax me, and you are, of course, welcome to do that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Mike in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
unidentified		Two things.
unidentified		One, I was going to comment on the standoff with the Freemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		But I guess first I just wanted to make one comment about what you just mentioned on the devil and technology.
		I think a lot of people sort of suspect that the devil is this actual person or thing out there that makes people do things.
		I really think it's kind of an internal inadequacy in one form or another that basically allows people to lose their self-control in some areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe in God?
unidentified		Actually, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		Agnostic more than not that I think he doesn't exist.
		It's that I don't know if he does.
		I like that fact you got from somebody about ten minutes ago or fifteen minutes ago where he was doing his own search, he said, in college and wanted to come up with his own internal beliefs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been doing that for many years.
unidentified		I have never reached the point where I could say yes, I believe.
		So I'm waiting.
		I don't discourage anybody who has faith from continuing on.
		I haven't reached that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I have either.
		In other words, not with a very structured set of beliefs.
		I have a sort of a loose personal feeling that there definitely is a creator, but it doesn't go beyond that at the moment.
unidentified		Yeah, I mentioned when we talked about Richard Oakland's theories that it didn't bother me in the least, and I was kind of hoping we'd find some better society that either created us or sent us here.
unidentified		I'd kind of like to know if there's somebody who knows a hell of a lot more than we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't we all?
unidentified		But on the standoff, and this is completely unrelated, you had a caller yesterday who said that we should have moved in a long time ago and could move in now with two gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I kind of agree with his thinking on what will happen.
unidentified		I'm not sure I care how they do this, but I kind of think the longer you wait, the more they are playing the string.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been trying to figure that one out myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you think as time goes on, the danger of it turning out poorly increases.
unidentified		Yes.
		And the reason is I don't think our government or any of our foreign policy people, when we're dealing with other countries, puts themselves in the other person's position enough.
		It's one thing to understand philosophy.
		It's another thing to vision yourself sitting in their spot.
		What would you do?
		And if I were the freemen, I'd be plotting away, number one, to not lose any political points when this ends, no matter what.
		And then worry about my own survival second.
		They want to win the public opinion battle first.
		And the longer this goes on, the more they're going to have to become harder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call, but their actions may preclude any possibility of their generally winning the public's approval.
		And by that I mean the so-called freemen have taken actions that I think have already pretty much condemned them in the eyes of the public and precluded support even from militia groups around the country.
		I think everybody stood back from this one, took a fair look at what was going on and said, hey, this is not Waco.
		This is not Ruby Ridge.
		This is a very different situation and I do believe that people listen to a couple or three days of calls that we took the pains to get here from people in Montana trying to find out the unscreened truth for you about what's going on there.
		And I think it had an effect.
		On our international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		This is no, I should say good afternoon.
		This is this is young corning from Senzen, China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Senjen?
		Yes, hello.
		From Senjin, China?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the channel.
unidentified		I learned this from a friend of mine in Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he told me that the host is Art Bella.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, my name is Art Bell, and you are now on the air all over America and the world.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, this is a chance I'm going to be a star.
unidentified		I'm a star, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are a star now, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you like to say to the world?
unidentified		Wow, I don't know.
		I just have no idea.
		No idea at all about your radio station.
		But first thing I'd like to say is I'd like to say hello to my friend in Sacramento.
		Her name is Beth.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you said hello to Beth in Sacramento.
unidentified		Yes, Beth in Sacramento, such a height.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I also, you know, I was in your city about one year ago.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		I heard that because my friend wrote me a letter and you told me that you were in Cinderella last year, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think you still have some very, very fresh memory of my city and just like the memory I have of your city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, your city was amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many trucks, so much economic activity going on.
unidentified		You know, when I was in Sacramento, and that was some years ago, and I was at school there, and I was at a conjunction of the street, and I was counting a car.
unidentified		There was a car going with an activist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, my friend, listen to me for a moment.
		I have a break for the news.
		Will you call me back after the news?
unidentified		And how long it had been?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About five minutes.
		Okay.
		Talk to you then.
		From Communist China, we'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 4, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		4, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4, 1996.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight's program originally aired April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Lots of subjects on the table.
		The Unabomber, lots of people talking about that.
		The Freeman Movement standoff.
		Whatever you want to call it.
		The Ron Brown death because of the crash.
		Just lots and lots of things on the table to talk about.
		Really, what's ever on your mind is fair game.
		Just prior to the top of the hour, some of you will not have heard it.
		You're just joining us now at this hour.
		We got a call on our international line from Shenzhen Province in China.
		And I asked the gentleman to call back, and we'll see if he does.
		That is an economic province in Communist China.
		That marks the first call from Communist China.
		So I'm very pleased about that.
		And if he gets back to us, we'll ask him a little bit about what's going on in the province now.
		We do have an international line now, and if you want to call us internationally from anywhere in the world, the way you can do it is to get hold of your AT ⁇ T USA Direct Access Operator, or if you have the access number, use that.
		Then when you get the line, the USA Direct Access AT ⁇ T line, you just call one, excuse me, don't dial one.
		Just dial 800-893-0903, and it will be toll-free from anywhere in the world.
		And it was good to hear from China.
		As you know, I spent some time in Shenzhen Province.
		It's been about a year now since I've been in that city, in that part of China, but my recollections of it now come flooding back after talking to that man a little while ago.
		It is a wild economic ride they're undergoing in China.
		If you were to see it, it would scare you.
		And I don't lightly use that term.
		You have never in your life seen that kind of economic activity.
		It was frightening.
		And we had something to do with some of it, but the Japanese, the Germans, and the Americans to a lesser degree, and just country after country involved in joint projects With factories for miles and miles and miles and miles of nothing but factories and economic activity.
		And it was an amazing sight to behold, and talking to that man from China reminded me of that.
		His English quite legible, and just more of the adventure, I guess, that we're going to undergo as we sort of add an international flavor to the program with this line.
		It's pretty neat, and it's going to be like everything else.
		We're not screening those calls, so wherever they come from and however they come, they come.
		Absolutely fascinating.
		We are truly in a technological breakthrough point.
		I said that last hour in reflection to some degree on what the Unibomber was saying.
		But there is a full revolution underway.
		I mean, right now.
		And maybe you're a little like the frog or the lobster in the slowly heating water, and you don't know what's going on.
		But you cannot watch a TV show, you cannot watch any program out there right now without bumping into internet web addresses and all the rest of it.
		Just about everything is beginning to become the internet.
		It is almost like a living organism.
		It isn't.
		It isn't, but it's getting closer all the time.
		And I don't mean some great intellect that's going to suddenly take over.
		But all of these interconnected large processors and data banks, it is fascinating what's going on, isn't it?
		Telecommunications?
		We now have the first true international toll-free 800 line.
		This was done for us by AT ⁇ T with about two weeks of research.
		Nobody had ever done anything like it before.
		And we said, well, we'd like it.
		And they said, well, okay, we'll see if we can do it.
		And they put their best minds to work.
		And they did it.
		It's amazing.
		Absolutely amazing.
		So somebody can sit out there and dial a bunch of numbers and call toll-free right into here.
		Isn't that amazing?
		Just one more notch in the technology belt.
		Absolutely amazing.
		All right, back to the lines.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Matt from Idaho once again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Matt.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hey, I have a question.
unidentified		Wasn't there like a million-dollar reward for the arrest and prosecution of the Unobomber?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so, yes.
unidentified		Will the brother take the money and run, or what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting question.
unidentified		I would pose that to people out there.
unidentified		What should he do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say, number one, if he wants it and if this is the Unabomber, then he certainly deserves it.
		What would you do in such a case?
		I mean, if you found writings in your home that told you that you probably had as a brother the Unibomber, what would you do?
unidentified		Boy, that is a hard question.
		You know, you'd hate to...
		Sure.
		I mean, boy, you hate to see innocent people getting blown up.
		If he does take the money, what will he do with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything he wants.
unidentified		What should he do?
unidentified		What do you think he should do with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's say if he takes it.
		I don't know.
		I think if he gets it, thank you very much for the call.
		He deserves it.
		It's a good question, and it must not have been easy.
		Unibomber or not, I guess if it's not your brother or your sister, you know, it's easy to say, well, of course I'd turn them in.
		But when it's your own flesh and blood, going to the FBI might not be so easy.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a rough one.
		That would really be a rough one, and I wouldn't speculate as to the person's motives.
		And I would rather err on the side of believing that they did it not for the money and that that is what I think, but did it only after very hard reflection and thought.
		Blood is thicker than water, you know.
		So that would not be an easy call.
		That would not be an easy call.
		Dear Art, I have a solution to all the world's problems.
		Why not put the police from LA Riverside in Montana?
		Steve in San Diego.
		Geez, Steve.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		My name's Lyle.
unidentified		I'm calling from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Lyle.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on a little 30-year-old transistor-looking radio, General Electric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are, huh?
unidentified		This is the last time I ever get to call this number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
		The first and last time.
		This is your big shot.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a couple comments and questions.
		First of all, all these kind of hyped-up Christians they call you, I feel bad.
		I'm a Christian.
		I guess I can halfway understand or appreciate the burning faith that would want to flood all the evil people out.
		You know the little Darwin fish that you see on cars sometimes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think those are really funny, but I also, in me, wanted to slam into them.
		And so I guess I understand those people, but I feel bad.
		Sometimes I think it's a bunch of kooks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would like to slam into a person who has a Darwin fish?
unidentified		Well, I think because I appreciate the humor in it, that someone thought, and they're kind of one up on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's too much of a slam.
unidentified		Yeah, that's it.
		It's such a slam.
		So I don't know.
		I think they're funny, but I can understand those people who call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, do you think that vehicles so equipped, displaying such a symbol, are keyed more or less frequently than other vehicles?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I wonder.
		And I think that's wrong, and when I feel that way, I think, what a jerk.
		Anyway, I had a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You're talking about this, all the web stuff.
unidentified		I'm pretty much kind of in the Stone Age as far as computers go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I do freelance artwork and I'm sitting here right now drawing with pens and paper, which is kind of odd, I guess.
		But I kind of understand what you're saying.
		Everybody's got a website.
		And I wonder when you hook up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I'm saying is there's a revolution going on as we speak, and it's really moving fast.
unidentified		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything you hear is suddenly the internet.
		Suddenly it's a net everywhere.
		Yes.
unidentified		And I've heard people talk about viruses and stuff.
		I don't completely understand it.
		I wonder when you're hooked up to these big web things, is there someday someone kind of evil with, or not evil, just smart with nothing else to do, going to figure out how to get into everybody's computer and shut them down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depend on it, sir.
		Depend on it.
		Thank you.
		I see on a daily basis warnings from America Online and the other services that there's some new computer virus out there.
		Under no circumstances, it will say download the following.
		And there are people out there trying, and there are certainly evil geniuses out there all around the world working on ways to infect the entire net.
		One day somebody will do it.
		That's the dark side.
		There's a bright and a dark side.
		That's a part of the dark side.
		But it is almost in that sense like a living organism with tentacles going everywhere.
		And like any living organism, it can probably be poisoned.
		So we could think of these people, these evil geniuses who are out there cooking up ways to poison the organism in exactly that way.
		And sure, it could suddenly be killed.
		But what's even more interesting to speculate about is where it's going.
		Where is it going?
		This incredible, growing, almost living organism of interconnection, and it's moving very quickly toward what destination, you might ask.
		Take the call that we got a little while ago from Shenzhen China as an example.
		There's Communist China, very, very closed society.
		I wonder if it has occurred to them, and of course it probably hasn't, that somebody can pick up a telephone like that man did on the other side of the world in the middle of a controlled communist country and call a National American talk show.
		So I don't know, you know, where all this is leading.
		And, you know, what you're hearing is just, I mean, it's amazing.
		It's an amazing thing that's going on in the world.
		And it will roll over governments.
		It will roll over ideologies.
unidentified		It will shrink the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just, it's absolutely amazing to think about.
		And I think it's one of the things that was very much on the Unibomber's mind.
		Wouldn't you say?
unidentified		I would.
		Thank you.
		you You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to the lines.
		We've not heard back from our friend in China yet.
		I'm not really so sure that the Chinese government would be wild about the fact that somebody from China could call a talk show, an American talk show, a nationwide network talk show.
		I know that I just I I know they wouldn't be wild about that.
		That was an amazing call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		This is Eric from Missoula.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Missoula, Montana?
unidentified		Let me turn this radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, turn it off, actually.
unidentified		Because I know that you're pretty angered by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not that I get angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's that people get confused and sound confused when they have it running in the background because of the delay, and it makes them sound disconnected.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Anyway, I was going to ask you about the when you were talking earlier about the technology growing so fast, well, what are your views on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your problem?
		Yeah, it's a good question.
		I have, of course, I'm right in the middle of it in every way, as you know.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm reflective about it, and I think it has a good side and a bad side.
		On balance, I think it's better than it is worse.
		In other words, I think it has more of an upside than a downside, but it does have a dark side.
		And I'm not blind to it, and I'm watching it.
		And since I'm right in the middle of it, it's a little hard to watch.
		I mean, here I am in the middle of video conferencing technology.
		Somebody's sitting here watching me right now, telling me to put out my cigarette.
		Anyway, we can do that.
		We can go on the internet.
		We can talk to people all around the world.
		Good or bad?
		Mostly good, but with a downside.
		And so I'm thoughtful about it.
		That's the only answer I can give you.
unidentified		Oh, well, thanks.
		Yeah, I mean, I just tend to run into a lot of people here at this university.
		I'm a student here who were kind of on the downfall of it.
		I tend to disagree.
		I mean, I think it's interesting, and it's just kind of nice to talk to somebody by it and think of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm glad you called and I think that we all should be a little introspective about it.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		That's why I brought up the subject.
		I, you know, I'm on the heels of the capture of the Unibomber and what his message was is I am not blind to the dangers as well as the plus side of all of this.
		I guess we're going to move ahead no matter what.
		We can be introspective about it.
		It's not going to stop it, that's for sure.
		So where is this great wave going to carry us?
		Where do you think it's going to carry us?
		There are a lot of people out there who think it is pure evil.
		Unibomber was obviously one of those.
		And I've talked to plenty of other people here on the program who feel the same way.
		As I've said, I'm fascinated by it, captivated by it, right in the middle of it, but still able to stand back enough to say, hmm, what are we doing here?
		Interesting question.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Baton Rouge.
		All right.
		Well, what's going on in Baton Rouge?
unidentified		Oh, well, to me, it's not a very friendly place anymore.
		Why?
		Well, for example, I go get a driver's license from another state.
		And I have my birth certificate.
		And I have this current driver's license from this other state, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So I go in there to go ahead and get it changed over.
unidentified		And I don't have what they want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you mean you don't have what they want?
unidentified		Well, they want like two, they have requirements to get this driver's license.
unidentified		And I didn't have like two forms of ID and a social security card and so on and on and on, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you're not a person.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But that upset me today, and I just finally find it very unfriendly, just kind of like the Mexicans or the aliens.
		No, not the immigrants.
		I guess they were illegal immigrants.
		We don't even know that for sure.
		Who was all illegal and who was legal?
		The people in the car in Riverside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pickup truck, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, when they got beat like that.
		That's the spirit of America now.
		It's kind of getting to be a mean place.
		That's upsetting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think generally Americans are less humored than they used to be, less patient than they used to be, maybe a little meaner than they used to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think all that's kind of true.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		You're talking about the technology and all that now.
		What do you think about the crash in Bosnia?
		I'm a pilot.
		I'm unemployed right now, but I am a pilot.
		And from the facts that I got through C-SPAN and everything, they were executing what they call an NDB approach.
		It's a non-directional approach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were two non-directional beacons.
		Listen, I've got to leave you at this point.
		I'm sorry, we've got a break.
		I'm not a pilot, so I couldn't offer an expert opinion, but we'll have a word or two to say about it here in a moment.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM.
		Your distinct Mark Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Good to be here.
		Want to remind you that we do have an international toll-free line when I can get to it.
		And it does ring, but I can't always get to it.
		We treat it as we do the other lines, and we just let it ring until we answer.
		I try to give it some priority, but obviously, if we're in the middle of something else and I can't go to it, I can't.
		So there you have it.
		But no matter where you are in the world, you can call us toll-free as a man in Shenzhen province, China did, about a half hour ago.
		That's amazing.
		Absolutely amazing.
		And I've got a couple of faxes about it.
		And he just may not have been able to get back through yet.
		But here's one.
		Dear, maybe the reason Call from China hasn't called back is because the Communist government has realized that any of their citizens can call an American talk show.
		That's from San Diego.
		And comments on technology, too.
		I'm getting those.
		I think that technology art has not improved life on this planet the way it was expected to.
		I think it has enabled greedy and powerfully evil people to destroy whole tracts of prime land, wipe out whole species of plants and animals, and ultimately art.
		You'll see in your lifetime that technology drives us back to a mentality that we will wish we could hide from and won't be able to anymore.
		That's from Mike.
		Interesting, huh?
		So there are a lot of people nervously not exactly embracing this change in technology, this revolution taking place all around us right now.
		It is amazing what's going on if you step back from it.
		Absolutely amazing.
		Art, sometimes I think people get so involved in their fast-paced technological lifestyle that they don't realize what it would be like without it.
		The Unibomber, I feel, saw all too clearly how technology was destroying the human race and may have gone over the edge in despair.
		Also, Art, did you know that all of the UPCs in the world have their code 666, the number of the Antichrist?
		Eventually, nobody will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
		So I know there are many, many of those who feel that it is of the devil.
		So you see, I'm exactly right.
		I'm exactly right.
		And maybe that's why, with all my use of technology, some out there have decided to call me the Antichrist.
		What a terrible thing to be called.
		And yet I understand their connection.
		I understand how they're getting there.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Craig from somewhere in Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Unidentified somewhere in Southern California.
		It's like saying, here I am, a needle somewhere in a haystack.
		But go ahead.
unidentified		Well, you'd mentioned earlier something about the brother of the Unibomber or potential alleged unabomber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alleged unibomber, yes.
		The signs are very powerful that he may be the one.
		And I believe his brother is the one who found the information and ultimately talked to the FBI.
unidentified		Well, I have an interesting story in my life.
unidentified		Here's about, I don't know, 15, 20 years ago, I had a girlfriend who eventually ended up being murdered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		And I remember at the time, I was fairly young.
		I was like eighth grade.
		I remember my oldest brother, who has been diagnosed as a schizophrenic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		he took a strange, a bizarre liking to this particular girlfriend.
		And I never really thought about it at the time.
		He acted really strange around her.
		And there was one incident in particular that I remember him physically putting his hands on her and shoving her out the door, told her, don't come back.
		There was something about his behavior that just was really odd, along with him being mentally unstable.
		And, you know, life went on.
		I only saw her over that summer when I was between eighth and ninth grade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the manner of the murder?
unidentified		Somebody broke into her apartment and potentially tried to rape her.
unidentified		As far as I remember, she was strangled to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strangled.
unidentified		And, you know, I thought about it at the time, and I thought, You know, maybe my, you know, I remember the obsession that my brother had with it.
		So I never told any.
		I never said, I never went to the police.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was the murder solved?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		It's an unsolved murder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unsolved murder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to this day, you think it's possible?
unidentified		It's possible.
		There were other signs.
		I remember my mother Caught my brother making strange phone calls.
		He would take my sister's high school annual and look up pretty girls in the annual and call them and make, I don't know if he was making obscene phone calls or if he was just calling to talk to them.
		But, you know, like I say, I was fairly young at the time.
		The thought crossed my mind, you know, maybe he had something to do with it.
		And then being my brother, I said, no, you know, I know him better than that.
		He's not going to get involved in anything like that.
		And to this day, I've never told anybody about it.
		And I don't know if they'd still have evidence around, if they collected any evidence at the time.
		My brother has since disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is no statute of limitations that I'm aware of on murder.
		So it's never too late to find out.
		say your brother has disappeared.
unidentified		Yeah, see, being...
		Well, being he was a schizophrenic, we finally got him on medication.
		And for a while, while he was taking his medication, he was fine.
		He was a little lethargic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But it brought him back down to earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like lithium or some sort of class of drug like that.
unidentified		Something like that.
		And I remember his psychiatrist was going on vacation.
		He was handled by somebody else.
		His medication ran out.
		And when his medication ran out, he flipped out again, took some money out of the bank.
		He was getting FSI at the time, and disappeared.
		That was about nine years ago, ten years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I very much appreciate the call, sir.
		And I'm not sure what I would do in such a case.
		I would think that if it's bothering you, you would want to go to the police.
		But it's not an easy call for anybody.
		It wouldn't be an easy call for anybody if it was your own flesh and blood.
		It's easy enough to sit back and consider it academically.
		If you're actually able to walk in those shoes, I mean, suppose you did what apparently this brother did.
		Suppose you did that.
		Went up into the attic you were moving, leaving Chicago for another place, and suddenly ran into a bunch of writings from a relative of yours that might indicate this relative might be a mad bomber.
		Would you go to the FBI?
		Would you talk to your family first?
		Would you try to contact your brother?
		Would you not go to the authorities?
		Not an easy choice, no matter how you crack it up.
		Not an easy choice.
		And I also think, again, that a good subject for discussion here would be, in effect, what the Unabomber's cry was.
		It was a cry against technology.
		And according to what we can see, this man lived the life that he preached.
		He rode a bicycle, lived in a hand-built cabin, had an outhouse, no running water, no television, I presume no radio, no electricity, was very intelligent, a couple of college degrees, and a total hermit.
		That's what they know of this man accused of being the actually not yet accused of being the Unabomber, but thought to be in the evidence seems pretty heavy.
		Man is 50-some odd years old, 53 or 54, I forget, something like that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Let me get the radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, get it off, please.
unidentified		Hey, Arbel, it's good to talk to you again.
unidentified		From Merced, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Merced, K-Y-O-S.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		David.
unidentified		I remember listening to one of your guests that spoke on the Mayan calendar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was reading in the paper today, and they had the lunar eclipse that she was talking about yesterday.
		Right.
		And from what I remember, I think 52 days from yesterday, there's supposed to be a catastrophic event or some type of disaster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet here we are still.
unidentified		Yes.
		So I think it's May 25th is 52 days from the lunar eclipse that happened yesterday.
		So I'll be looking for that.
		And I was just wondering if it tied in with any of the predictions that Michael Scallion made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mr. Scallion suggested there could be trouble or a particular window through April 10th, which means we've got about five days for that particular window.
		It doesn't automatically mean something's going to occur whenever such a prediction is made, but they just the people who do this kind of thing lay out windows or periods of time where things are more likely than not.
		And he's been awfully right on the money so far.
		So I'll be watching, as I'm sure you all will.
		April is always a very...
		You don't have to stick your neck out very far to know that.
		April 19th, of course, is the anniversary of the Waco thing.
		That may bring a problem.
		I hope not.
		President, by the way, is going to Oklahoma City today, later on today.
		So April is always, every year, something has occurred in April.
		Don't ask me why, but it's a month when things happen.
		And it's been so every year.
		Anybody have any thoughts on why that might be?
		Or it has been that way for several years to the point where I almost think of April or get ready or brace myself for whatever it is that's going to occur in April.
unidentified		The End Now we take you back to the night of April 4th, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once again, if you would like to reach us internationally from Europe or Asia or South America, wherever it is that you are in the world, we'd love to hear from you, and it's easy to do.
		Now, we have the U.S., Canada, and Mexico locked out.
		So other than those areas which can dial us up on the regular lines, either toll-free or otherwise, you can reach us toll-free.
		You can call toll-free from London or Shenzhen province in China or wherever you are.
		The way you do it is reach your AT ⁇ T somehow or another, you must divine what the AT ⁇ T USA direct access number is.
		Or you can call your operator and get the AT ⁇ T operator.
		Then call 800-893-0903.
		It will be completely toll-free for you.
		It is the first true, toll-free, international worldwide line ever installed by any phone company.
		And we've got it.
		800-893-0903.
		Amazing.
		As the world turns, huh?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you, Eric?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Calling from Connecticut.
		I've only been listening to you for about three weeks now.
		Are you familiar with the work of Edgar Casey?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Did you know that he said that the earth changes would commence when you started hearing rumors about man controlling the weather?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't know that.
unidentified		Yeah, that's a fact.
		I've been into the Casey stuff for about 25 years, and I have everything that he ever said in book format on CD-ROM.
		And that's a fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, where are you in Connecticut, by the way?
unidentified		I'm in East Hampton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East Hampton?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm listening to you on WJR out of Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long reach.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		Wish we could get you closer.
		You'd hear Ralph Line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hang in there.
		We're going to be on shortly in Hamden, Connecticut.
		Now, maybe you'll be able to hear us from there.
unidentified		That'd be good.
unidentified		And by the way, about a dozen years ago, or maybe a little longer than that, my wife and I were involved with Gordon Michael Scallion in East Hartford when he was just really getting his feet wet with this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is quite a remarkable person, isn't he?
unidentified		Yeah, who knew?
unidentified		He's quite a tremendous track record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He does.
		And I thank you for the call.
		And not only does he have a tremendous track record, but he is sincere.
		And I think that's probably what affected me more than any other thing about Gordon Michaelscallion is in private conversations with him, he was just as intense, concerned, and real as he was in public.
		And that led me, and it still does, to say, if there is such a thing as somebody who can see the future, who has visions, he is definitely the real thing.
		I mean, to me, he is.
		That doesn't mean that I'm certain it can be done.
		I'm just saying if there is a real McCoy, he's the real McCoy.
		One of these days, we'll get him back on the air again.
		It's been a while.
		He is a fascinating individual.
		We have a lot in common.
		He's a ham.
		And we stay in touch.
		As events dictate, we will bring him back on the air.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		Is there somebody sitting here on video and watching me right now?
		That's our video telephone.
		And they say, what are you looking at when you're looking up?
		Well, the answer is, when I'm looking up, I'm generally looking at the clock.
		I have a clock above me.
		And if you work on network radio, you live and die by that clock.
		And believe me, if you don't live by it, you die by it.
		You either come and go as you are supposed to, or you get chopped off like a bad dream by an alert board operator somewhere.
		So I watch the clock, of course, very carefully.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Brett calling from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brett.
unidentified		Listen to you on WTMJ out of Milwaukee, actually.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to make a few comments about people who are so down on technology.
unidentified		Half of them call you on the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, almost all of them do.
unidentified		Right, or they fact you.
unidentified		Those are all technological advances of the 20th century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
		But there is a valid argument, don't you think, to be, or at least a controversy to be chewed through about how fast we move, whether we're going too fast, and there is a downside to it.
		I mean, I'm in the middle of it, and I know that.
unidentified		Sure, I think it's evolutionary.
		You know, we must evolve to adapt to keep up with what's going on.
		And I think it's just a response to the society and changings of the human body and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, try this one out.
		Are we evolving intellectually as quickly as science and technology is advancing?
		In other words, are we keeping up with science?
unidentified		Some of us are.
		Sadly to say, probably the majority of us aren't.
		So I'm thinking, well, you know, the education system and things, public schools and things like that, aren't preparing our young folks for keeping up with how fast we are evolving.
		And I think there's some of us I'm not saying me or you or anybody, but there are a few people that are keeping up with it.
		I think maybe some of the things that Hoagland and some of the other people NASA got going on, they need to be keeping up with it.
		I downloaded your pictures from the internet about they are something, aren't they?
		Oh, man, they're amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		All right.
		I've got to run, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		More coming right after the break.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbells somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from April 4, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April
		4, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from April 4, 1996.
		Bye.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, well, well.
		We've got an interesting breaking story.
		And I'll give you the gist of it.
		The Los Angeles Times is publishing the following story today.
		President Clinton secretly approved shipments of Iranian arms, that's right, Iranian arms to Bosnian fighters in 1994 despite a UN embargo and Clinton's own official opposition.
		The covert arrangement, which shipped thousands of tons of small arms, mortars, anti-tank weapons, and other light equipment, would have also contradicted Clinton's official policy of isolating Iran as a supporter of terrorism.
		The CIA, which was not told of the arms pipeline, eventually blew the whistle on it after discovering the operation through satellite monitoring.
		After the CIA brought evidence of the arms deal to the White House, a secret six-month investigation was launched by the Intelligence Oversight Board.
		The board, composed of Clinton appointees, found no laws were violated.
		Deja vu all over again.
unidentified		Well, well, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
		Oh, how I remember the years of doing talk radio after the news of Iran Gates.
		After the shuffling of arms down into and or monies from arms sales into Central America.
		My God, I remember the angry, vilifying calls about all of that from the left.
		Now the left is going to have a great quandary.
		They will either, what will they do on the talk shows?
		What will Charlie and company say about this?
		What will they say?
		It is virtually the same thing.
		I mean, here we are dealing with a country that we have officially called terrorist, doing the very same thing, very nearly, that was done by the Reagan administration, and all of a sudden is revealed to be legal and all okay because a bunch of Clinton appointees investigated their own guy.
		What could the left possibly say to defend this?
		Will they come on ranting and raving about our government doing something like this and our president doing something like this about a government within a government?
		Will they say all those terrible things they said about Ronald Reagan or will there be just a crushing, crashing silence?
		Well, I suspect the latter.
		But there you have it.
		That news at this hour just breaking.
		I'm telling you, April is going to be a strange month.
		Very strange month, and it is certainly beginning that way.
		We're talking about the Unibomber.
		We're talking about technology, the Internet, the communications revolution.
		I guess because in part of the possible or probable even capture of the Unibomber, they think they've got their guy.
		The explosive materials match those used.
		The writings.
		They're looking at the typewriters to see if they were the ones that typed the manifesto.
		Privately, FBI fellows have said we've got our guy.
		They're convinced he is the one.
		And we've been spending a lot of time talking about technology.
		It's all around us.
		It's all around me right now.
		From the internet, the web, to telecommunications that have gone absolutely bonkers.
		I've got people looking at me by calling me.
		I've got a teleconferencing line going on right now.
		People can sit here and watch me do my program and do.
		We've got the first international 800 line toll-free right here.
		Let me hit that again.
		We got a call a little while ago from Shenzhen Province, China.
		He's not called back, and I hope there is no dark reason for that, but he has not yet called back.
		Nevertheless, we did get that call, and it definitely was from Shenzhen Province, the economic province of Communist China.
		So that can be done instantly from a country that might not want it to occur.
		I wonder if they thought of that when they set this line up for us, that that could occur.
		At any rate, here it is.
		If you would like to call us from any spot in the world, if you're listening to my voice now on the internet or on a very long distance skip from one of our great 50,000 watt radio stations, you can call the United States toll-free.
		It will not cost you anything.
		It is free.
		You call first and get the AT ⁇ T USA direct number, direct access number, and then call 800-893-0903.
		That number again is 800-893-0903.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of April 4th, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Absolutely amazing.
		Sue, who's on Vidian, tells me, her sources tell her, the Times is reporting that our President Clinton directly participated in the decision to siphon arms shipments through Iran to the Bosnians.
		This is so remarkable.
		This is so remarkable.
		It's almost too much.
		But I tell you these days, I'm not really surprised by anything anymore.
		Are you?
		Does this surprise you, shock you, that another president would do what very nearly brought down a president?
		That caused congressional hearings?
		Amazing.
		On our first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Oh, we just missed that call.
		Do you hear the click just before I said anything?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I think I know what Bill Clint is going to say.
		He'll just say, I was out of the loop.
		Just like everybody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is almost too much for my poor little mind to deal with.
		And I'm trying to imagine what the left is going to say about this.
		Now, they ought to come out, of course, if they're true to their ideology, which they're not, roaring and screaming and screeching and yelling that this is awful, like they did last time.
		I mean, after all, you know some of these arms stuck and didn't go through Iran.
		You know, a lot of these arms went directly to a nation that calls us the great Satan and would kill us.
		I'm using the same arguments they used then.
		And our own president, in contravention of his own policy, sent arms to Iran?
unidentified		It may have clinched it for Doll.
		I just don't know.
		I just don't know.
		But I'm not quite clear.
		Some of our arms went to Iran or...
		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they used Iran, apparently, according to the story.
		To funnel the arms.
		It's astounding.
unidentified		Yeah, go figure.
unidentified		Okay, well, this is Charles KSFO, and I'll be listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		San Francisco.
		All right, Charles, thank you very much for the call.
		It is astounding.
unidentified		It is astounding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there will be those who say, well, good.
		We should have been aiding the Bosnians.
		And, of course, Bob Dole called for a very open program to aid the Bosnians.
		So it's not so much the fact that it's the Bosnians that were being helped.
		It's two things.
		It's one, contravention behind the scenes of his own public policy.
		Two, it is astounding to me that of all the nations they would pick, it would be Iran.
		I mean, think about that.
		Of all the nations they could pick, Iran, to get arms to the Bosnians.
		Well, yes, Iran had certainly connections with the right people, so I guess they couldn't avoid it.
		But can you imagine that decision in the White House?
		And they say that the story apparently is going to say that the President participated directly in the decision.
		Wouldn't you love to have been in on that meeting?
		I mean, there's President Clinton with his advisors, and his advisors are probably telling him, listen, Bill, Mr. President, we'll have it seem formal here, Mr. President, the only way that you're going to get arms to the Bosnians is through Iran.
		The President probably put his head in his hands, and he thought, but my God, what if this ever gets public?
		What will they do to me?
		They'll crucify me.
		I mean, you do remember, don't you, what they did to President Reagan for the arms deal with Iran?
		God help us if this should ever get public.
		I imagine they had quite a go-round in the White House about this.
		And yet, in the end, they went for it.
unidentified		It's...
unidentified		It's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's cosmic irony, I suppose.
		Isn't it?
		Cosmic irony that Iran would be the only logical choice to get arms to the Bosnians.
		Do you suppose the operation was run from the basement of the White House, folks?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, three things I want to do.
unidentified		One comment about your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, would you speak up good and loud for us?
unidentified		You bet you.
		Want to comment about your show, want to comment about technology, and then maybe I'll break the biggest taboo known to mankind.
		Okay.
		First, your show, in reference to what you call the quickening, I kind of think of your show as the joining, which is the joining of all the minds involved.
		Millions of minds.
		You know, it's a unique thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that.
		Sure, there's that aspect of it.
		I mean, there are many, many plus sides to technology.
		What I'm doing here, all the rest of it, there's plus sides, not only but there's a dark side, too.
unidentified		You bet.
		And of course, that's what I want to say about technology.
		Even an untechnological rock can be used as evil.
		So, you know, it's how you use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		But the greater the power, the greater the power for both good and evil.
		And right now, the power is getting greater.
		And so the risks are multiplying as well.
unidentified		Yeah, very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you were going to break the biggest taboo in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's the taboo that says that we can't know who and what it is we are.
unidentified		And the fact that I'm about to tell you, your entire audience is already ready to disbelieve it, and that's how strong the taboo is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to shatter us all?
unidentified		No, it's a mild thing.
		Really what it is, is that you are an aperture by which the universe measures itself.
		Now, think that one through for a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An aperture by which the universe measures itself.
		All right, well, I'll have to give that one more than just a moment's thought, I think.
		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		How many people out there just fell to their knees and said, oh no.
		Oh my God.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm an aperture.
unidentified		I'm a measurement of the entire universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many of you fell to your knees with that knowledge?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Is this one of the new age Antichrist teachers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's me.
unidentified		Did you know that the destiny of this earth is to be burned with fire, like the floods in the day of Noah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, which is it going to be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shake, bake, or drown?
unidentified		By explosion or by collision, there will be a new heaven and a new earth.
		Destiny is fire.
		My army, the army of my Lord, will come with angels of his power, inflaming, unquenchable, devouring, eternal flame.
		And there is only one God, Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the Great I am, the beginning and the end, the bright and the morning star, the beginning and the end of Lord of Lords and King of Kings, the highest and most almighty.
		There's no other God, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a sounds like a sort of like a repeat of the Ten Commandments on the phone, doesn't it?
		The movie.
		As you listen to that voice talking of fire and brimstone, the Lord's vengeance, the fires, the floods, the only Lord God, who's seen us worshiping idols of gold and jewels,
		raining down his wrath on the earth, somehow or another, crashing a comet into us, crashing the sun into us, causing 40 days or 41 or two days of rain.
		They almost actually had that up there in the northwest here last month.
		Wasn't it about a month ago?
		It's like listening to a religious movie or something.
		Listening to that guy.
		I know who he is.
		That guy who said I was the Antichrist.
		I recognize the voice and saying line, too.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi.
		Calling from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KABC country.
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Wanted to tell you that the last two news broadcasts on the radio, that's ABC radio, were telling us that from the comet that sounds like with a Japanese name, that NASA is saying we are getting X-rays.
		And they said they have never received X-rays from a comet before.
		Really?
		And that's the end of their statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why would a comet be emitting X-rays?
unidentified		I have no idea.
		In fact, the thing that I think excited me more than the fact that X-rays were coming from it was that it was announced, and that is odd.
		And with all that we've been going through lately trying to get information from NASA, I found it fascinating that here they've said the same sentence in the, let's see, it was the 12 o'clock news and the 1 o'clock news.
		And I turned on the television, nobody's saying anything there that I can tell, and no one has called your program yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear lady, that is fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you just called my program, and now you've set my mind racing.
unidentified		I think it's exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Now, look, I'm not an astronomer.
		I'm not a physicist, but I know there are some out there.
		help I realize that we may pass and have passed through the tails of comets before.
		In other words, a comet doesn't necessarily hit the Earth.
		It passes the Earth's orbit in a place where the Earth would be in several days, for example, and then the Earth passes through that point, and at that point we pass through the residual left that is the tail or the debris of the comet.
		But I have never heard of a comet emitting X-rays, which indicates a great release of energy.
		At any rate, I can't imagine why energy at that particular bandwidth, the X-bandwidth, would be emitted.
		And surely from that distance, and we have not yet passed through its tail, to the best of my knowledge, so the emissions must be coming from the moving comet.
		That's remarkable.
		And I would like your help out there, either by facts or phone, in figuring out what it means.
		I've not heard the reports, but I don't doubt that lady at all.
		The comet is emitting X-rays.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll do.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		In regards to the Arizona nuclear power plant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Scanion, I believe, forecasted some kind of accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did indeed.
unidentified		I wonder if this might just be a fifty suit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly hope not.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And regarding the police chasing illegals, the other night there was a stories of the CHP where a couple of Caucasians were running into Mexico and were pretty much shot to pieces on entry into Tijuana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course, sir.
		Somebody sent me a fax yesterday that said, hey, just for the mental exercise of it, imagine for a second that a bunch of white guys get in a beat-up old pickup truck, crash through the Mexican border at Tijuana, and proceed to throw things at the Mexican police that would then be chasing them, sideswiping Mexican cars, and so forth.
		What do you think would happen to them when the policia caught them?
		We will be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from April 4th, 1996.
		So you think you're a Romeo?
		Playing a party in a picture show?
		Take the long way home.
		Take the long way home.
		Through the joke of the neighborhood.
		Should you care, you can be the good.
		Take the long way home.
		Take the long way home.
		And if you feel your part of the dream, you'll fall asleep in a dream.
		Take the long way home.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired April 4th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		What an amazing night.
		What an amazing world.
		Isn't it?
		Absolutely amazing.
		I'll update you on some of these stories, and it does seem there is something to it with regard to the comet.
		We're getting some absolutely amazing news from the White House.
		Amazing news.
unidentified		Just amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How am I?
		The Allied Times, I guess, breaking a story that our president participated in a decision to send arms to the Bosnians through of all people, the Iranians, sent arms to the Iranians in contradiction of his own policy and a U.S. government policy of not dealing with countries that are terrorist countries.
		You know, I could almost just dredge out an old program from years ago that I did, change, you know, in this wonderful modern day, or not wonderful, we have the ability to snip and clip with computers and just substitute the name Clinton for Reagan, and it would be about the same story.
		At least till we got to the part about the Contras, it would be about the same story.
		Back then, the liberals, of course, were absolutely aghast wanting to crucify Ronald Reagan for dealing with a country like Iran.
		I remember that.
		Nail him up, hang him high, and let him be seen by all the nation.
		Hanging and twisting.
		As a lesson, never for this to occur again.
		Aren't assuming the election year GOP fantasy that the LA Times story represents might be true, the left will have no quandary whatsoever.
		The right, however, is going to have a terrible one.
		I mean, how in the world can conservatives who defended the criminal behavior of the Reagan administration possibly condemn any potential wrongdoing of the Clinton administration?
		For them to do so would be hypocrisy.
		President Clinton, if this propaganda turns out to be true, will do what the Reagan nuts never did.
		Accept responsibility, apologize to the American people, and not cop out with I don't recall.
		The straightforwardness with which the president has responded to Whitewater, much to the chagrin of the right, who prayed for a cover up, proves this.
		Republicans should quit relying on this type of bull and send Bob Dole to charm and charisma school, Bill in Seattle.
		Bill, I detect between the lines some real worry there, huh?
		Could it be that your very own president Bill has done this?
		Could it be LA Times propaganda bill?
		We'll see, but I detect between the lines of that rather hurriedly put together facts quite a bit of worry, and so there should be.
		And then this ART ABC News just reported that NASA says, in fact, they detected strange X-rays coming from that Japanese comet, a Japanese name comet that just went past.
		They have no idea what caused X-rays.
		They've never detected this sort of thing from a comet before.
		And I don't have the slightest idea what in a comet could produce that kind of radiation or that kind of energy in the X-ray in the X-band area.
		Whew, that's really, really strange.
		Dear Art, who can understand all of this technology bashing?
		Things have been so much better for us all.
		Why, if life weren't so good, how come mom and dad both are working 60 hours a week just to keep up with junior's daycare and grandma's old folks' home bills?
		America's families have never had it so good.
		Come on, Art.
		The international line is cool and all, but I'd rather not have all my human contact over the internet and Ma Bell's phone lines besides the killing, the unibomber, does have a few good points.
		Yeah, look, I don't, as I've been saying right along this morning, I don't deny it.
		It's a very incredibly powerful technology, and it's very much a double-edged sword.
		There is a dark side to this.
		Like anything powerful, there's positive and there's negative, and it's going to depend on how it is used.
		I've been very thoughtful about technology, and I was very thoughtful, if you want to know the truth, when the Unibombers manifesto came out.
		Aside from the horrendous nature of the way the message was delivered, you have got to be thoughtful about the message.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is John from Seattle, listening to you on a mighty KOMO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Como, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to you on the radio, and you were talking about April is the month of the quick man.
		Or what, you know, something big is going to happen this month.
		Well, I was thinking, I heard last month Mr. Scallion on your station, you were talking about the West Coast and the big one hitting at the end of this month.
		I just wanted the people to know that you've got to be prepared, can't forget about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, everybody, sir, should be prepared, whether you're on the West Coast or wherever else you are.
		We live in a time when things are happening.
		Things are happening.
		Floods, earthquakes, natural disasters, more severe weather.
		Even though they don't forecast it, I am expecting a very severe hurricane season.
		I bet there is.
		And there is a quickening.
		So you should do the basics.
		Have food around.
		You don't have to go nuts.
		You don't have to have underground bunkers, but have some emergency food.
		Have an emergency radio.
		Have candles.
		Have emergency power.
		Solar power if you can handle it.
		Do those things.
		Be ready.
		He's right.
		Scallion or not, you only have to look around at the headlines to know that what I'm saying makes sense.
		I have prepared thusly, and so should you.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		You are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Dave in Columbia, California.
		Hello, Dave.
		You've probably looked at medical x-rays before, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And can you make any sense out of them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I had some medical training, so yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		My point is this.
		And Richard Hoagland's photos, a lot of lay people like myself probably say that, "Gee, it doesn't look like much to me," but I kind of liken it to the medical x-rays, and it does take somebody with some training and some...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you're saying is correct.
		And I've had a lot of people now look at Hoagland's photos, and they look at them for a second and they go, I don't see anything.
		I have nothing to this.
		And then a certain percentage of those people have gone away and again looked more carefully.
		And they inevitably have come back and said, well, now, wait a minute.
		I've been looking at these more carefully and I do see something.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's my point.
		It's just, you know, it does take a little bit of expertise in the field, just like looking at a medical x-ray.
		I can't tell one thing from another on a medical x-ray, but I'm sure if I studied it for a while and studied the field, then I might be able to make something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
		That makes it a very difficult sell for Mr. Hoagland because the average person wants to be able to load one of those photographs and look and see the Chicago Towers sitting there.
		And that isn't what they see.
		And so they say, oh, what a bunch of baloney.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Well, that was it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much for the call and have a good morning.
		Sure, you've got to know what you're looking at.
		It really is quite true.
		And I must tell you, I've had a lot of responses exactly like that who first say, what a bunch of absolute hyped-up baloney.
		But then they go and they more carefully look at the photographs, particularly the Russians on photographs, and they say, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, that shouldn't be there.
		And that's what, of course, Richard Hoagland has been saying and why I've had and retained so much interest in the work he's doing.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
unidentified		This is the dreaded Ed in Finland, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, about that comet.
unidentified		I don't want to start rumors or anything, but it seems very strange that when HAARP is beaming energies out into space, I wonder if it could be picking up and reflecting the energies back to Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe that HAARP is doing anything in the X-ray range.
unidentified		How are X-rays produced?
unidentified		Is that like fusion energy or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just like when you go to the dentist and get an X-ray.
		That's energy in the X-what's called the X-band.
		And how it would be produced by a comet, as I say, I'm not a physicist.
		How it would be produced by the passing of a comet utterly escapes me.
		And we have had many comets that have passed without ever detecting anything like X-rays.
		It's really bizarre.
unidentified		Let me ask one thing about where you live.
		Do you live in Perump?
		Yes.
		Okay, do you know what it means?
		Are you called Perumpians there or what?
		I'm curious.
		It sounds like a Native American name, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it means big water.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		So, anyway, maybe the comet is all given as X-rays, and that's something else to be concerned about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		I'm not sure whether it's a reason to be concerned.
		It certainly is something to investigate and wonder about.
		X-rays.
		X-rays.
		There would have to be...
		And I'm sitting here sort of absorbing this information, apparently, as I also absorb some X-rays and trying to figure it out.
		And so anybody out there who can help me out with this, why would a comet emit X-rays?
		How would a comet emit X-rays?
		Where would the energy come from in the passage of a comet to create X-rays?
unidentified		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Jack in Charleston, South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jack.
unidentified		Comparing President Clinton sending weapons to Bosnia through Iran with Iran-Contra is like comparing a minnow and a whale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is?
unidentified		Yes, first he brushed off the contra part of Iran-Contra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mentioned it.
unidentified		Well, that was illegal sending money to the Contras with the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that was like part two of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But part one of the thing that I recall, sir, that the big complaint from the left at the time was that, my God, we are sending arms to a nation that we have said is a terrorist nation.
unidentified		But what that was, we were sending something like 2,000 tow missiles to trade for hostages, which is basically opening up a market in American hostages, basically saying more Americans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or if we send arms or whatever it is we do that we send through Iran, for whatever reason, the complaint would be the same, that it's a terrorist nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know damn well whatever arms they want, they keep.
unidentified		Well, like I said, the main thing was...
unidentified		But the main thing about Iran-Contra was that they look, I lived through it, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was there.
		The main complaint was we dealt with a terrorist nation.
		Come on.
		Jog your memory.
unidentified		And like I say, the main thing was weapons for Americans, endangering every American on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you mean sending arms for this reason to Iran doesn't endanger everybody on the planet?
unidentified		No, because the point is Iran.
		No, we sent them two missiles to get hostages back, which endangered Americans.
		They could kidnap more Americans for more weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you don't think someday we may end up fighting Iran?
unidentified		We may, but I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you don't think they might end up using some of the weapons we just sent over there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		President Clinton is said to have sent over there against our own men.
unidentified		They got it may have been smaller arms.
unidentified		It wasn't tow missiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, geez.
		I'm glad you called.
		I'm glad you called.
		Thank you very much, and I'll look forward to some more calls like that.
		Some more enjoyable calls like that.
		Already, it begins.
		It's okay.
unidentified		Hey, what this president did, it's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some weapons to a terrorist nation.
		It's all right.
		The left never ceases to amaze me.

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