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Feb. 23, 1996 - Art Bell
01:19:10
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Charles Watson - Earthquakes
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I'm informed one's just joining us this morning.
It is KLDI in Laramie Road, GMX.
Yeah, you buy it up front, buddy.
New York, I'm so glad to have Mr. Watson on.
This is from Phoenix, Arizona.
I've been receiving the Seismo Watch for two years now, and I've got to tell you, it's the most well-done, concise, easy-to-read, and reference quake activity of any publication I've ever seen.
The Seismo Watch is an excellent publication, very reasonably priced for the amount of accurate information on the subject.
I'm very proud to receive it and share it with others.
Many people become less apathetic about the subject of earthquakes after reviewing a couple of these newsletters, in which they can see the activity increasing.
The publication is a most sobering awakening for many of the unlearned on the subject of seismic activity.
If it weren't for this great newsletter, we would never know about most of the earthquakes because the media seems to be burying these events further and further when they do report them, unless there is massive death, And casualty of property loss may gloss over them as though they don't matter.
Thank you, Charles, for Sizemore Watch, and you, Art, for having this kind of guest on your program.
A consulting geologist, Charles Watson.
Charles, that was a lot to wait for.
Are you there?
Yeah, I'm still here.
That's quite a testimonial for you.
Yeah, we've got a lot of, uh, customers.
Alright, uh, here's what, and I want to follow up on that.
That's what I've noted, Charles.
I've been disgusted.
These are major events that have been occurring, and we're going to discuss some of them.
But what about the press?
How in the world?
I called you.
That's how we got in contact.
When that big earthquake occurred in the Pacific, I called Charles for the first time, and I said, look, am I nuts, or is this a major geologic event?
That's not being reported by the press.
Is that about the way we began the conversation?
That's right.
And so, what about it?
Tell them.
Am I crazy or what?
No, I was pretty appalled with the way the major news media group handled this.
This is a major quake.
This is what I call the monster quake.
We don't get many of these.
I got in the business because I get goose bumps and I just jump up and down when these things happen.
This is what makes me tick.
I like earthquakes and what I do.
When we get big quakes like this, I just go bananas.
I'm gifted where I can get on the internet and make a bunch of phone calls.
I've been in the business long enough where I know a lot of people and start chasing down the leaks on what these quakes mean and what they do and I write about it and
try to publish it so that people can see it.
So why is the mass media, which has reported in the past on quakes of far less magnitude,
ignoring, why is the mass media suddenly ignoring these major events?
What's going on here Charles?
I'm not sure.
I really don't know but it's kind of silly that when you get a quake of this magnitude
that they don't report it.
They did report the Coral Island quake, I saw that one on CNN.
Indeed they did.
Yeah and it lasted for about two hours or three hours and then just went away.
Yeah and it was a quick little blurb that it happened in Russia on this little island
and there might be some damage and oh it was felt in Japan.
And I think that's what it was all about was a lot of Americans feel that we're attended
to the Japanese and that if it affects them it affects us.
Well, it's true, but there's also the rest of the world, like Indonesia or South America,
or, you know, yeah, Seattle.
So, to me, I think that there's just so much news media out there that sometimes they lose
track of what's important, whether it's the New Hampshire primary or an 18-year-old.
To me, I feel the 8.2 gets more votes.
Well, I know it from you.
It ought to get at least some votes, and because there's a big conversation going on about New Hampshire, You can, and not all other news of importance ought to be swamped and swept under the rug.
And that's essentially what they did.
The Indonesia earthquake, for example.
This was a monster art!
I mean, and yet it wasn't covered at all.
In my local paper, the Reno Gazette Journal, it was way back-paced.
It was a little blurb, a couple of columns large, and they showed a little map.
And they didn't even have the epicenter on the right spot.
Alright, it was here in New Guinea, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was on the north coast.
It was here in Jaya, which is the western half of New Guinea.
What happened?
Can you tell the folks out there?
I mean, what did this quake do?
Well, it was a subduction zone kind of earthquake.
A subduction zone is where one plate slides underneath another, or is forced under another.
And this one, it was a real complex movement where it jolted and then POW!
It just caved.
It was like a car that didn't quite start right.
You know, like a plop, a plop, a plop, pow, pow, pow.
Yeah, right.
And you could see the aftershocks just flying.
Um, there were four magnitude fixes, um, and then 476 total quakes in the first 48 hours.
Holy mackerel!
How many?
476.
in the first 48 hours.
Holy mackerel! How many?
476, magnitude 4 or greater.
There were 26 magnitude 5.
The people on the ground, thought the ground was in constant motion.
It was near chaos, or panic on this little island called Bayak,
which was, it took the brunt of the,
of the, the jolt.
And the surrounding island of New Guinea was just wiped out.
The tsunami heights are 10 meters tall.
That's about 33 feet.
Oh my god.
Which just washed up on the shore.
Just swept it like a broom is what the AP people call it.
This was a monster event.
600 homes dragged out to the sea.
Bridges were just wiped out.
You see, how, I mean that, okay fine, it makes the Associated Press, but an event of that magnitude, granted, not a major industrialized country, but such a gigantic geologic event, that to ignore it, or essentially ignore it, I watched for 24 hours after the event, I watched CNN, my wife, faithfully being my producer, glued herself to CNN, couldn't find one word about it, Charles.
Yeah.
How can that be?
Well, there was New Hampshire.
There was Fat Buchanan.
There was Dial Soap.
I don't know.
It was... I didn't understand why the CNN didn't even give anything towards it.
I was kind of... Because Ted Turner and the whole Lennar group is really good people.
I mean, they've got a... They've worked really hard to do what they've got right now.
And some others, I think they've just gotten too big.
You know, where they've lost track of what's important as far as news.
Okay.
You know, but this other quake, the one that just happened down in South America.
Yes.
The 7.5 Peruvian quake.
Now, let's discuss that a little bit.
There's another one that passed by the media here.
I'll say.
Now, there is some dispute about the magnitude of the quake.
Some are saying it's the mid-sixes.
You're reporting, and you reported, 7.5.
And by the way, I passed on this to Gordon Michael Scott.
Right.
7.5 is a major earthquake.
Yeah, they had a tsunami also.
It surged up on shore and it took out a little fishing port.
But it was in another remote region.
It was centered off the coast, and so the actual tremors didn't cause any damage, but
it was just a tsunami, and it was a localized tsunami.
So it was actually a mild quake as far as the damage goes, but the amount of energy
released was up in the mid-7, 7.5, according to Harvard Geophysical, which I tend to use
there in comparison to both the University of Tokyo and the USGS.
Those three, the French are kind of strange when they produce their moment magnitudes,
and I kind of stick with Harvard.
All right.
When Gordon Michael Scallion says the following, that I'm quite confident that in late April or as late as May 10th, we will see, we're going to the West Coast, not earthquakes, not just earthquakes, he has words, but tectonic plate movement.
What does that mean?
Well, I mean, all these little... I mean, we track even microseisms down to the magnitude one level.
Okay.
Right.
That's what we show in the newspapers.
And those are tectonic movements.
But I think what Gordon means is of major proportion.
Kind of like the jump, jump.
Yeah.
I feel like that.
Well, you know, I'm beginning to become a believer in seismic windows art, which is...
What are the times in which earthquakes occur?
When do they occur most?
Well, how does a geologist come to seismic windows?
That's the working lingo of Gordon Michael and company.
Well, seismic windows have been around for a long time.
As a scientist, I look at these and I've looked at them, well, they give about a 50% chance that an earthquake might occur.
But when you put all the factors together, and there are about 25 to 30 physical factors which can influence an earthquake, the advantage actually increases.
Gordon uses not only those, but his own perceptive abilities and others to do this in order to kind of alert people.
In Gordon's, in any of the conversations I've had with Gordon, It's really a sincere... We need to help people.
We need to, I know.
We need to really tell them that things like this could happen.
I try to tell my audience.
Uh, Charles, that I, you know, I too, I'm a friend of Gordon's.
And I've had as many off-air conversations with the man as I have on.
And he's no different off the air than he is on.
His sincerity, the reason he's doing this, uh, the level of feeling that he has, his record of accuracy, all of this comes crashing through to me in a private conversation with him.
And a lot of people, I keep feeling the need to say that to people who hear him on the air.
Because I have no way of knowing whether people can perceive earthquakes, but if anybody can, he can.
And if anybody is sincere, it's Gordon Michael.
You know, and he's got touches with all the other leading people that do the same thing.
And so he's calling Abramson, he's calling other people and checking with them, what do you feel like?
I wouldn't say all of them, but a large majority of them have some sort of tie with Gordon, and I think the network that he's building to alert people to this in that field is great.
Well, you're a geologist, and this is quite a leap for you in a lot of ways.
I'm sure that you've watched Gordon carefully now over the months or years.
How accurate is he?
No, I haven't followed his specific predictions all that well.
Okay, I've been so busy.
1995 was the most productive year for large magnitude earthquakes, of magnitude 6 errators.
There were 192.
Good Lord!
Yeah.
Can you put that in perspective by looking at prior years?
Yeah.
The last year that had anything close was 1965.
and it had 164.
And so this was an enormous jump in the amount of large magnitude earthquakes.
So there's another thing, Charles.
In 1995, I watched these like a march of something or another, I don't know what,
and I would call it, to the attention of my audience, I would use the word
Something's quickening here.
We're having more earthquakes, and I would inevitably get back to saying, oh, no, we're not.
We're just paying more attention to them.
They're in the media more.
We're not having more earthquakes.
They've been occurring since time began.
There are no more earthquakes now than there ever have been.
That's not true, is it?
No, oh, seriously not, no.
There have been more earthquakes in 1995, magnitude 6.0 or greater, than any time recorded by instrument.
Alright, look, I'm holding you over, but I want you to give out the number, the number where people could order Seismo Facts Alert Bulletins or your newsletter, right?
Plug it.
Do it.
Yeah.
Well, the number is 1-800-852.
No, it's just a small message phone.
I know it's going to be inundated any moment, but... Yes, it is.
You can also write... No, no, give me the number again.
Okay, so 1-800-852-2960.
Alright, and on, what do you want from people there?
Their name and address, if they would like to receive the mailing information, and if they have a fax number, just go ahead and send, or give the fax number.
We'll send them a trial issue and a trial fax alert, and if they like what they see, they can take an order from us.
Alright, listen, we're coming up on the top of the hour.
You may want to turn off the ringer.
Um, if you get a chance, stay in the news here.
Yeah.
On that.
And, uh... I'm starting to cough already.
That's right.
Just let him go to town.
So, Charles, hold on.
We'll be right back to you after the news.
Charles Watson.
If it is, there's five more watts.
A consulting geologist, back after the news.
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Can you handle it?
Charles Watson is my president.
Is it?
How long has it been going on?
How long have you been talking with Gordon?
Gordon contacted me in January of 1995.
Just before, I think, the COVID thing.
He just got off a set from Encounters, I believe is what he said.
He was talking about earthquakes of large magnitudes or something.
I remember that program, yes.
And somebody said, have you seen this?
And they handed him my newsletter, which is what it is.
It's a collection of seismic maps showing the epicenters for different regions around the country.
It's got a world map and so on and so forth.
It's really comprehensive.
But Gordon just said, this is great.
I've got to call this guy and, you know, what's all this about?
Well, he's a smart cookie.
Well, I mean in more ways than one.
He's a very smart cookie.
I'm not surprised that he called you.
I did the same thing!
I was so impressed with the, I guess, down-to-earth way you present this information when a break occurs.
Well, you know, I have to because since I write for so many newspapers, my graphics are seen by about 7 million people a week.
Every week.
And so, There's a variety of audiences out there for newspapers and so they tell me tone it down, tone it down, don't be so scientific.
But it's really for the betterment of the public that, you know, I write so briefly.
And what we do is we just do it in kind of a bullet item that a quake occurred here, try to give a little bit of seismic history behind it, you know, if it's of significance.
You know, when we're talking about quakes in California, You know, in Southern California, there are literally, um, just like last week, there were 376 plus, 92.1.
Alright, there's where I want to stop you and ask you, what in the world is going on at Mammoth Lakes?
Now, I get pages and pages of earthquakes, this, this, uh, what do they call it, swarming earthquakes, at Mammoth Lakes, and then all of a sudden, USGS issued Some sort of alert about volcanic activity.
What can you tell us about what's going on there?
Mammoth Lake is just down the road from me.
I'm very familiar with what goes on down there.
I know the people personally at the USGS that are studying it.
They've got laser telemetry, they've got monitors up the ying-yang down there.
They know this thing better than any other volcano on the planet, it seems like.
This is a really well monitored place.
They've got tons of equipment.
Anyway, with all that aside, is that earthquake bursts or surges or swarms that occur, like the one we just had a couple weeks ago, are not uncommon for Namath Lake.
It is a relatively active place for micro seismicity.
And what happens is that because it's a volcano, alright, and it hasn't erupted for 700,000 years.
700,000 years?
Yeah, it went off in a big bang 700,000 years ago and it blazed volcanic ash all the way to New Jersey.
Oh my god, really?
It was the Krakatoa of California.
Don't quote me on that one, alright?
But it was a large quake, I mean a large eruption.
This is not a newspaper.
Um, you said what you just said, and so the radio, it went out.
Well, no, it's the Gracodilla of California.
It's called, it was called the Long Valley Caldera.
It's an active volcano.
The Long Valley Tuff is a, or Tuff or Ashfall, is a marker horizon throughout geologic time.
What happened 700,000 years ago?
Ash to New Jersey.
It's kind of like Mount St.
Helens, but in a much more deep way.
It blew its top.
If you ever go to Mana, you'll see that Long Valley is a circular thing.
It's a basin about 11 miles across.
And it sits on top, right next to the Sierra Nevada, so it's really spectacular.
The Devil's Post pile there.
Yosemite's not far.
There's a couple skis resort there.
I mean, it's a beautiful place, but it's also very tectonically and volcanically active.
And so, because it's got the hot magma that's not too far down, it's about 7 kilometers, 8 kilometers, and it's kind of just sitting there.
It's not doing anything.
You might say that it's moving upwards, but it's going so slow that it's not really doing much, but that's the heat engine.
And so you've got all this hot water that's circulating around, and sometimes that hot water will burst through cracks and cause little micro-fragments to happen.
And sometimes you can get a little bit of diking, or magma diking, and that also causes some burst breaks.
So what they had was a flurry of, oh, Two hundred and seventy something quakes, magnitude greater than plus one, okay?
And there were five 3.0s, and I think just this last week there's been a couple more 3.0s, so... One more time, let me stop you and ask you.
Right.
If this event that occurred 700,000 years ago, mind-blowing time, were to occur today, what would that do?
Um, it would, um...
It would disrupt life, as you know it, for that area.
It would be a major volcanic eruption, like what you saw down at Pinatubo, down in the Philippines, back there in whatever year that was, 1990.
Is such an event possible?
Yes, it is.
It's not likely in the near future, though.
And that thing is so heavily monitored that, you know, every time a cat farts, they know it.
So it's really well monitored.
They've got the CO2 thing under control.
They know where it's coming from.
And that's not a big deal.
I mean, volcanoes release gases.
Yeah.
And sometimes they come up places where they haven't come up before.
And just because gases are gases, they come up through cracks, or fissures or cracks.
Well, you said it's a volcano, but it's really not.
It's not a volcano in the sense of a great big mountain volcano, is it?
No, it blew its top, but it just sits on the east side of the Sierras, which is a major fault zone.
It's the Eastern Sierra Frontal Fault Zone, as they call it.
And the Owens Valley 8.0 quake was there in 1872.
I mean, that was a monstrous quake.
And that's not far from you, by the way, Art.
Great.
There's another one called the Amagosa Valley Fault, which runs right through... Oh, I know.
And you say it runs right through Pahrump?
Yeah.
Oh, I'm not sure I didn't know that.
I don't even know if I wanted to hear that.
And then there's the Death Valley Fault, John, which is just over the hill from here.
So, these things are capable of very large magnitude collisions.
Oh, great.
See, I think of my area as seismologically safe.
Yeah, you see?
I shouldn't have.
Well, I think that's what...
People like Gordon are doing and what I'm trying to do is, the idea is that if you live in earthquake prone areas, you need to be informed.
And that's what my publications do.
They inform the public of the activity, keep this in the forefront of your mind on a weekly basis,
that earthquakes do occur.
It's just like watching the weather.
Are you going to put a jacket on or are you going to put your preparedness packet in the car?
And, you know, talk about those people that were in the Loma Prieta earthquake in San Francisco or
Northridge and all the freeways came down
and they're stuck in their car between freeways.
But they've got their preparedness packet, they've got 24 hours, 72 hours worth of food or water.
And so, you know, they get off, they finally get off of their car
and everything is OK within that time.
Charles, have you ever been in an earthquake?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Real exhilarating.
Oh, I mean, I'll tell you the one story of my, you know, involvement in an earthquake.
I lived on the island of Okinawa for about a part of a decade, Charles.
And I worked for a radio station there, KSBK in Naha, Okinawa.
and we were way up in a, I worked for a Japanese company and my boss was Japanese and I worked way up
in a tall building in Naha, Okinawa, which is south of Japan, south a little west of Japan
and east of China and is in, of course, directly in the Ring of Fire.
And one day I was on the air and we had this, these old RCA ribbon microphones that were suspended
from the ceiling by wires, a tripod of wires and the microphone would come right down in front of you.
And one day, right in the middle of my program, we had a most serious earthquake.
I mean, the building was going back and forth and back and forth.
And this microphone went, uh, from in front of me, banged up against the wall, I mean, an impossible thing, and took a swing back toward me.
Fortunately, I ducked it.
It wouldn't knock out all my front teeth.
And I hit the floor, and the building was rolling, and I thought she was gonna come down on top of me.
It was one of the most terrifying events in my whole life.
I had never felt so helpless and utterly in the hand of God.
I mean, it was just like, if this keeps going, it's all over and I knew it.
Yeah, yeah, and if you're in a building where you have things around you that can fall, that could be really scary.
I think these things can take you out.
Really scary, understates what I felt.
Now, to you, you study it, if you're in the middle of it, the word you use is exhilarating.
Well, for example, I was working in the Templesville Bay area
when the Morgan Hill earthquake happened, and that was a 5961 earthquake,
and I felt the ground starting to tremble as the T-waves come through,
I knew exactly what it was going to look like.
Wait, wait, wait.
What's a P-Wave?
That's the first initial wave that hits.
They're the faster waves.
They're a whole bunch of different... It doesn't mean what you do when you feel it.
Right.
And so I ran outside and, you know, standing next to this TILPA office complex building, and there was some railroad tracks.
Sure enough, here comes the bicyclist down the railroad track.
Then I could see the track rise and fall and rise and fall as each wave passed by.
Then as they passed by me, it was almost like I was surfing.
We were about 50 miles Maybe 60 miles from the epicenter.
And as a geologist, you're sort of just passionately standing there going, cool.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I was I had my hand on the building and, you know, looking over there was this huge cement thing where they make concrete and the C tower.
and I was watching this thing off late and making sure my truck wasn't in its way.
But it was, you know, I was up in Humboldt County in 1980 when they had a 7-plus earthquake up there.
And that was, they had a freeway come down and a lot of damage,
and we were going through Humboldt County, California.
Ah, you're my noviae.
In fact, there are so many people smoking pot there, it's a wonder that anybody even notices.
It is a foggy place.
Yeah.
Listen, getting serious again, what Gordon is calling for is truly frightening.
The magnitudes of earthquakes that he's calling for truly are frightening, and we're here at the bottom of the hour again, but do you tend to think that Gordon He's going to be correct when he talks about near-term serious Earth movement on the West Coast.
I believe it can be possible, and I want to talk to you about that more.
All right.
Deep quakes.
Deep, oh yeah, I want to talk about deep quakes, and we're going to take calls.
Charles Watson, a consulting geologist, is my guest.
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Back now to Charles Watson in Reno, Nevada. He is a consulting geologist who knows Gordon Michael Scallion.
Charles, let's for a second talk deep earthquakes.
When I talked to you the other day, I recalled a news story, and fortunately, the news organizations, or at least the radio news organizations, which are better than television, did cover the South American quake.
I'm trying to remember where it was, Ecuador, possibly, where there was this incredibly deep earthquake.
Now most quakes occur near the surface or 33 kilometers down or not very far from the surface.
Compared to what occurred, what was that quake? How deep was it? What was it?
You're referring to the Bolivia quake in June of 94.
Right.
And it measured 8.3 and it occurred at a depth of 650 kilometers, which is about 440 feet.
410 miles inside the Earth?
Yes, and that quake was felt in Toronto, Canada.
That's right, that's right, that's what I remember about it.
How can a quake occur that deep in the Earth?
Now my understanding, I guess I don't understand, I thought plate tectonics and all the rest of it was fairly close to the surface of the Earth, so explain to me If you can, how a quake can occur that far down where there's... Well, I don't even know what's supposed to be in the Earth that far.
What's down there?
Well, just real briefly, earthquakes happen because something brittle breaks.
Okay, like the ground, it suddenly gives.
Right.
Like it's a brittle, brittle break.
When you go into subduction zones, like what happens off the coast of South America, there are two plates.
One plate is sliding underneath another.
It's being forced into the interior of the Earth, and as it's going down, it's generating earthquakes as it goes down, but then the Earth gets awfully hot, and the plate heats up, and then it becomes kind of plasticky, and then it stops producing earthquakes.
That general range in which they start producing the tectonic earthquake or the brittle break is about 250 to 350 kilometers deep.
And then there's this gap for the next 200 kilometers and all of a sudden earthquakes start happening again.
What scientists are believing are these other earthquakes are occurring from is
It's like it's all the crystals that are within that place It's being forced down there all of a sudden getting squished
and they got a change into a different shape like if you squeeze coal
You can make diamonds And it's making just something large into something small
and all those crystal lattices all those things start shifting and boom
You get a big enough piece in a piece of clay to shift all at once
To make this crystal phase change is what they call it. You can make
these earthquakes real deep
But this quake was a different kind of animal It did not follow the same kind of pattern that the crystal
phase change our models predicted And so this is a mystery. This is where science hasn't
quite figured out what's going on with this quake This is a major quake. It had a major rupture
The rupture was actually parallel or perpendicular to the actual subduction slab and that's getting kind of
technical for everybody, but It's a very complex earthquake and people just don't I mean
the scientists aren't quite sure why Something like that, that large can occur that deep.
And also, normally, you send out the seasonal fax alerts, which I find incredibly informative, but they show a radius of the earthquake where it's felt.
But for a South American earthquake, Well, it was also because it was so deep.
You know, when the source is starting out all the way down there, the waves have a lot easier mechanisms to get further away a lot quicker and so with enough velocity.
you can actually start feeling things like that when they get farther away.
But if it was a gigantic event, we've been near, the potential effect would be incredible in terms of,
I mean, the circles that you draw for these are...
Well, the newsletter is actually the companion to the fact alert.
The fact alert is just to tell you that it happened.
Right.
And the newsletter is to explain it.
Right.
And the newsletter goes into more depth after a little bit more information has come down the pipe.
And then the government will issue something three or four months later, okay?
After they've analyzed it to death and they've got all the numbers down and blah blah blah.
They'll finally release, you know, what they say.
Okay, here's the earthquake happened back in August.
And for us that's not fast enough.
We work in a basis, we work in a time scale that we want to know what happened yesterday.
CNN News, you know, We just work in a frame that if an earthquake happens in Greece, that we want to know about it.
How many newspapers do you write for?
27.
27 newspapers?
Right.
We have the individual Seismo Watch graphic, which is a local epicenter map for that region showing the seismic activity.
I can put notable events or historic stuff or terms and things like that.
Without mentioning any specific newspapers or people, do they come to you and say,
look Charles, you've got to tone this stuff down, you're going to scare people?
I had one two weeks ago call me on that, one in the San Francisco Bay Area that did that.
Yeah, well you're talking to everybody in San Francisco right now.
That's alright, they know. They knew who I am.
But the thing is, in fact I even had to say to one newspaper down in Southern California,
I'm sorry but this isn't going to work. I cannot portray that information to the public in that way.
And we just severed our relationship.
I think that I have an excellent product and I think that what I do is tone down enough
or even a fixed data.
I mean, I give talks at local schools here in Reno about earthquakes.
I'm on the State seismic safety commission.
So I've got it down on how to tell people about this.
Yeah, that's what I'm enjoying about you right now.
Yeah.
That I can seem to understand what it is you're saying.
Well, it's a hard science because there's a lot of physics and a lot of information
that can be potentially scary to a lot of people.
And yet, when you look at it happening as frequently as it does on the planet as a whole,
it makes it seem a little less terrifying.
Okay, well, let's see if we can make less terrifying what Gordon says is coming.
Well, this is what Gordon and I talked about back in the winter last year is that deep
earth quakes have a potential to occur almost anywhere.
You take away the brittle surface tectonic model and then you have the mantle which is
underneath all that and that can generate earthquakes.
We had a subduction zone off the coast of North America 30 million years ago and it
was actively producing volcanoes that were along the coast.
We could see a crater lake, excuse me, clear lake.
There was a couple in the Bay Area and so on and so forth.
But in all this, it is that slab, that fair lawn slate, as they called it, is still under
North America.
Now, has it gone through all those mineral transformations to make it?
Bye!
That would have satisfied those Olivia-type clerks, or not?
I was talking to a gentleman back in Northwestern University the other day, and he was saying that he's got a way to see what that plate looks like under the continent.
It's called seismic tomography.
Wow.
And it's putting together a lot of high-speed computers, the way it's passed through the Earth, and they triangulate, and they kind of get an image.
Let me run past you.
One of the wilder things that Gordon has talked about, I thought, The traditional thinking, there's a couple schools of thought on what's at the core of the Earth.
Magma, or I heard some recent newscast over the last year or two that said solid iron.
That's quite a difference, magma or solid iron, one of the two.
Gordon has had visions of magma in the Earth which is beginning to displace.
Causing what he believes to be coming, these major geological events that he believes to be coming.
And in effect, as it displaces, if you can think of a spinning ball, our Earth, he's actually saying it's beginning to set up kind of a wobble.
Are you familiar with that?
Yeah, I spent hours, literally hours, talking to Gordon about possibilities.
I did a lot of research.
It's a mystery.
It's a different kind of animal.
Scientists don't understand quite the mechanism that made it happen.
And so, can something like that happen under North America?
Yeah, that's why I've mentioned the Bolivia spike, just because it is a mystery.
It's a different kind of animal.
The scientists don't understand quite the mechanism that made it happen.
And so can something like that happen under North America?
It's entirely possible, but it may be so remote that it could not happen,
or it could happen, you know, who knows?
I don't try, I don't do predictions, okay?
I'm just trying to put it out in a way that everybody else can make up their mind on what the information tells them.
Alright, well, Gordon has predicted that you're familiar, I know, with this earthquake scenario.
Right.
While what just occurred doesn't quite match the Indian Ocean, it's very close, and Is such a four-quake scenario ending up on the west coast of America, with the magnitude he talks about, possible or unlikely?
Um, it is possible.
Because, you know, it's pretty close.
When you look from Japan down to where this major quake occurred in the Pacific and then
over, you bring yourself over to South America, it's kind of like the hair on the back of
my neck stands up when I follow Gordon and I follow you.
Well, it's just, you know, and I follow a lot of other predictors too.
Tim Berglund and Jack Peskin and other people that have these seismic windows and places
and times in which earthquakes could happen.
And Gordon came up with the four quake scenario one and every time, you know, they start making
that box around the quote, quote, ring of fire.
I, you know, my eyebrows just look up and I just look for it.
I don't, you know, I know the possibilities are there.
And I know that it could happen.
So I just watch.
And so that if it happens, it happens.
If it doesn't, well, when's the next cycle going to start?
Precisely.
So you say you have come to become a believer in this window that's being talked about.
Oh yeah, definitely.
There is a clear seismic window in which earthquakes occur.
And it's just the likelihood of a quake happening.
It doesn't mean that it's going to happen.
It just means that the likelihood of a quake occurring during a certain period of time is there.
I know how Gordon comes up with his windows.
He does so by the visions that he has.
How does a geologist like yourself come to agree?
Is it simply study and belief by demonstration?
Geologists rarely agree on anything.
It just doesn't happen.
It's about how to look at the evidence and see what's there.
We have a webpage in which we're going to put up some information on that in the near future.
I'd probably rather not go into a lot of that depth because it involves, like, 25 different things.
It's, uh... Well, unless you have an actual web location you can get out.
It's www.siphonwatch.com.
And it's a dash between siphons.
Slow that down a little.
Oh, okay.
It's www.siphonwatch.com.
Seismo, which is F-E-I-S-M-O-DASH-WATCH-W-A-T-C-H-DOT-COM.
BLM.
And on there will be what?
It's got some examples of our newsletter.
It's got some Seismo Watch or Seismo Facts Alerts.
It tells a little bit about what Seismo Watch is all about.
It's kind of, it's very in the beginning stage, under construction is the term.
Well, I wonder if you know what you've gotten yourself into.
In other words, you said you would be willing to give people a free example of Seismic Launch.
Oh yeah!
For just calling that number that you gave out.
And are you going to be able to handle this kind of volume?
Oh, you know what I'd really like to offer is the back issue with the complete set of, or the lift unit 1995.
It's like magnitude 6.0 or greater.
Really?
Yeah.
It's $3.
And let me just make sure what volume it is here.
I don't think everybody can get that down.
It's volume 4, number 3.
Volume 4, number 3.
All right.
And they can also get a free example of plasma launch.
Yeah.
And in that, what there is, there's an order form to get that.
If you want to get our complete subscription, there's also the listing of 1995 earthquakes.
I squished them down pretty small in order to get them all on one page.
But there's a complete listing.
They're separated by month, and there's a total, you know, by month.
And so there's, you know, April, August, and October were the big months.
Alright, what's the number?
The telephone number is 1-800.
8-5-2-2-9-6-0.
And I gotta tell you, it's awfully busy right now, so if all the people are calling and they're getting a busy signal, you might want to wait until an off time like tomorrow or something and give it a buzz.
Now, wait till you see what you're getting into.
No, that issue is a really good issue.
Oh, I understand.
I just meant in terms of volume, you know not what's doing, but you will.
Alright, I would like to take calls from the folks since you're Kind of like Mr. Earthquake, and you can seem to explain things in language that people understand.
I'd like to give the audience a chance to ask questions.
Are you up for that?
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
Okay, cool.
Hold on.
Charles Watson, a consulting geologist, is my guest, and now we really are going to open the phones.
Obviously, not much time at the top of the hour, but next hour, we will lay heavily on the phones.
Uh, here are the numbers.
If you are a first-time caller to the program, it's area code 702-727-1222.
This really is a chance to ask somebody who knows.
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Now, let's see what we can do for the folks, Charles.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Charles Watson.
Hello.
Yes, hi Art.
Hi Charles.
I've been really fascinated with your show tonight.
I do have two questions.
The first one is that quake that was south of Indonesia, I don't understand the geographical parameters of the Ring of Fire.
Alright, so what is the Ring of Fire?
It's the first question, and what else, ma'am?
Um, well, I understand that if you're a person that I saw that, but when Michael Scallion and you tell us what to speak, um, what are you suggesting we do?
Alright, alright.
Yeah, that's fine.
What is the Ring of Fire, first of all?
Um, the Ring of Fire is just the, uh, if you take the Pacific, It's just the margin of the Pacific.
Okay?
So you'd look at Japan, and Philippines, and New Guinea, and so on and so forth on the West.
And then on the East would be North America and South America, and that's basically what they call the Ring of Fire.
Then on up to Alaska.
Yeah, Alaska and Seattle.
Right.
And it goes all the way around.
All right.
As far as, you know, what I could suggest.
That's right.
I mean, the preparedness is good.
I don't know.
If you're under one of these 8.5s, I'm not sure exactly what you can do.
You might want to call the people down there in New Guinea and ask them how it felt.
But I think that the idea would be to just have as much preparedness products as you can have.
You know, like flashlights, food and water for a number of days.
But if you're roughly near the epicenter of an 8.5, Yeah, you have to get down between legs and pucker up because it's goodbye time.
But that is just, of course, that's fate.
But a lot of people will be affected by lesser degrees, and then you're talking about water and food.
Oh yeah, but if you're in a mechanical area like in downtown Los Angeles or something like that, or Salt Lake City or something, those sort of You know, if you're in a building, that's a whole different story, and you just have to hang on for the ride.
Outside, I would say open your eyes, look around, because there's nothing that's going to hurt you unless you're standing quite close.
One of my deepest, darkest fears is something we'll talk a little bit about when we come back.
I always, I have this horrible, horrible fear of the earth opening up.
And swallowing me up.
I mean, that's, that's in the movies.
But of course, nothing like that in real life can happen.
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All right, we pretty much cleaned out every house on this block.
Ah, no more crying down the drain.
I'm going to get a little bit of water.
Yeah, see, that's usually Hollywood.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Well, you know like in the movie where the big crack opens and people are tumbling in?
Yeah, that's usually Hollywood.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
But, you know, there are things like liquefaction and there have been, you know, faults that have created big gaps that,
you know, that things fall in.
There's a 1906 San Francisco quake.
Apparently some cow fell in up near Point Reyes, which is north of San Francisco.
Isn't it the Leary's Cow or something?
Yeah, there's some story that goes along with this that I think that people pooh-poohed this.
But it's a notable story.
I think there's a plaque up there that describes it.
So the cow fell in.
It's not so much people.
Are you saying there's something of relation there?
Oh, please.
No, no, no.
I'm getting enough faxes already.
Look, here's one for you.
Does Charles have an opinion about the French bomb tests and quakes?
There's a lot of people that talk about French.
You know, they were testing like crazy.
Right.
And actually, we were having a lot of earthquakes when they were doing that.
Well, what we do is, those do generate It's a blast.
It's a high energy blast.
And so it will be recorded as a quake.
And so we list the magnitude that that detonation generated.
And so I think the largest one they generated was a five six.
Relatively a firecracker compared to what the Chinese do on a routine basis.
Except, what about this question now?
That's why I say it's a little firecracker, but can one event trigger another event?
The blasts are really high energy and they don't carry a lot of oomph with it.
There's just no There's nothing to do that, unless you put it in exactly the wrong place.
Yeah, for example, back in the 50s and 60s when they were doing nuclear detonations down in the test site in Southern
Nevada.
They were exploding underground and there were some faults within the test site that did rupture and cause significant
displacement.
Really?
Yeah. Oh, they're spectacular. I've seen some photographs.
Oh, really? The reason I ask about that is because that's not far from where they plan on storing all this nuclear
waste for the next gazillion million years.
Well, you could say, well, they've got the faults removed and so therefore they're stabilized.
Would you say that?
I haven't been there so I really don't know.
All right, one more minute to the phone because I promised everybody and they're all ringing.
I thought tectonic plate movement is the technical description of an earthquake.
Is Gordon referring to something else now when he says not just earthquakes but serious tectonic movement?
Can you delineate In any way the difference for us, or is there a difference, or what?
Yeah, well, there isn't a difference.
A tectonic movement is an earthquake.
That's what I tried to say.
Even a microsegment of magnitude one is a tectonic movement.
So then what do you think he meant?
I think he left off the adjective, which would be a significant type of tectonic movement.
That's what Gordon tries to let people know about, or profess to know.
He, he probably was relating, you know, that a significant tectonic event would occur, but I don't want to put any words to good.
Wow.
Alright, very good.
Well, uh, those were his words, so I, I would also agree with you.
That's probably what he meant.
He used to be Rockies.
Uh, you're on the air with Charles Watson in Reno.
Hello.
Hello.
Where are you, sir?
Where are you?
Oh, I'm in Montgomery, Alabama.
Alright.
Got a question?
Yeah, I was wanting to ask him about a... There's a... I heard that there's a fault line right along the part of Alabama to the west of it.
I was wondering about whether there was any... I heard that there was going to be some action.
Sorry, no, it's a good question.
We concentrate so heavily on the Ring of Fire, Charles.
That we may not, for example, in the middle part of the country, there's this horrible little possibility that we'll talk about, and then his question about Alabama.
It's an unlikely place.
Could it be?
Oh yeah, Alabama has a definite seismic belt that runs through it.
It's kind of subdivided into a couple categories, but it's the tail end of the Appalachians that come down towards Birmingham.
In fact, Birmingham was rocked back in 1916 by a 5.1 quake.
And that was near Irondale.
And there's like South Carolina's got a couple different seismic belts that run through there.
The Appalachians, the coastal plains, and then right along the coast.
And Charleston, of course, was Rocked back in the 1800s by a major quake.
Now let's talk about another rock and roll event, and that was in the middle part of the country.
And the story goes that the Mississippi River ran backwards.
True story?
Well, undoubtedly, it probably did all kinds of crazy things.
When you get three magnitude eights in three months, or less, I think it's 47 days, that's something really significant.
You're going to get subsidence and so lakes were created, hills were formed instantly, subsidence was intense.
What is subsidence?
Subsidence is where the ground sinks or just kind of falls.
If you've got a pool of water saturated, the water is going to go someplace else and the ground is going to sink.
Sounds like a different way to phrase my nightmare than me.
Well, you're actually a crack opening up and then, you know, that you can fall into.
Now, Nevada has those kind of cliques.
Does it?
Yeah!
The Dixie Valley Clique back in 54.
You can go over there to the resort over there in Death Valley and look at the false scarves.
It's fairly prominent.
I'm right next to Death Valley.
Yeah, you're just over the hill.
Oh, great.
You can see the scarp, and a scarp is the displacement between the two surfaces of the fault movement.
So there's some significant displacement that has occurred on that Death Valley fault zone.
Gee whiz, thanks.
Now, maybe these are prophetic nightmares of mine.
Listen, now here's another one.
One of the arguments against the quickening, that's the term I'm sure you've heard me use.
is the fact that we know of more earthquakes because there is equipment that can measure the quakes with great accuracy now.
Does Charles know if the frequency and or magnitude of the quake actually is increasing, and if so, by how much?
This is a great, a very good question.
And part of the increase of earthquake frequencies for 1995 was due to the change in scale.
Because there's, it's a moment magnitude scale.
Moment magnitude?
Can you explain that?
Probably not over the phone very well, but it's a measure of the energy relief rather than, it's a physics, it's a movement of a focal arm.
It's the force that has caused, that has been generated by the earthquake, by the movement of the displacement.
Body wave magnitudes and surface wave magnitudes are generated by the actual seismogram, but it's produced by the displacement.
And you can measure the wave height, you can measure the difference between the waves and generate an estimate for the amount of energy relief.
So then, arguably, over the last year, there are more earthquakes, name more, or not?
Yeah, I mean, technically, when we get down to it, there were more earthquakes in magnitude 6.0 range than have occurred in any recorded time.
Excuse me?
In any recorded time?
In any recorded time.
So the... Now, see, I... Back in 1960... Wait a minute.
Back in 1960, the world became...
The monitoring network around the world got sophisticated enough to start detecting more and more earthquakes at the 6.0 level and even the 5.0 level and so there was a burst of, I mean when you go back through the seismic records you can, you'll see that all of a sudden it jumps back and there's a series of jumps in which certain networks become online and so the resolution gets better and better and better.
But the truly large quakes, the 7s and 8s, are well documented in populated regions going back to, you know, BC
time.
So, but the 6s, a 6 is really not a big quake, Art.
You know, and I'm going to get a lot of calls from that on, from Northwest people.
Yeah.
But, tell me, if you're sitting on top of it, it feels pretty big.
Yeah, but the damage is outward away from it is relatively minor.
Right.
I mean, if you go 30 miles north, which the damage, or 40 miles north,
45 miles, let's say, of the damage of the west severe, but northwards occurred in a very populated area.
Exactly.
Yeah, so magnitude 6 earthquakes, it can be, you're not going to, it's going to shake the house a whole lot if you're
30 miles away, but you should be okay.
Alright, back to the phone. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Charles Watson in Reno. Hello?
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, sir.
I was curious.
Where are you?
I'm calling from Houston.
Houston, Texas.
All right.
Question.
I wanted to get the phone number.
Also, I had a question about if there's a time frame of when these things might happen.
And also the geography.
All right.
Let's hit them in order.
The phone number.
You want the phone number?
Yeah, the phone number is 1-800-852.
2-9-6-0.
And it's just a single line message phone.
Alright, give it again.
1-800... 1-800-8-5-2.
8-5-2.
2-9-6-0.
2-9-6-0.
Right.
Alright, uh, well when he says timeline, I'm not exactly sure what he means.
Timeline for what, sir?
I'm not exactly sure what he means.
Timeline for what, sir?
I'm sorry, for the, uh, for the things I've heard.
I think Lord Michael's guy is...
talk on a local radio show here was before.
And I was curious about the geography of the United States and the timeline of, is it 1996, 1997?
Is there, you know, between that and...
Alright, well I can answer in terms of what Gordon is saying.
Gordon, earlier today, left a message for me.
If you wish to embrace this information, that in late April through May 10th,
Gordon's words, we will see not just quakes, but tectonic plate movement.
Now, he apparently meant very serious tectonic plate movement, so that's the timeline Gordon's talking about.
Does that help you?
Right, and I was curious about the geography effect.
It isn't United States, but I thought that had been mentioned too, in terms of Well, again, you're talking about, thank you for the call, what Gordon is projecting from his visions, and he talked of things that are truly nightmare-frightening things.
Glass everywhere, refugees by the millions pouring out of California into, thank you very much, my area.
And, um, uh, horrible visions of major, major earth changes, he calls them.
Uh, and I know that you are familiar with what he predicts, Charles.
Do you discuss these things with him?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, what do you say?
Do you say, come on, Gordon?
Well, I've, I've often tried to tone Gordon's magnitudes down.
You know, if you were just to drop them an order of magnitude, well, instead of saying 8 and 9, if you were to say 7 and 8, He would drum up a lot more believable audience.
Well, I don't know that he's trying to.
I mentioned that and Gordon said, you know, but that's not what my visions tell me.
Exactly.
And so I've walked through one of his visions with him.
He called me up and I spent an hour and a half, two hours on the phone with him as he was passing through one of these things.
He wanted to know what these visions that he was seeing meant to a geologist.
What did it feel?
What did it feel?
Um...
It was...
It was kind of personal.
And I probably should not go into it.
Alright.
But it was, um...
He had...
He has described the manner in which he sees these things to my audience, and it is very personal, you're right.
You know the television screen thing with one brighter than the other, or he can see them As if he's backed off from Earth to see geologic events occurring.
He's become very personal.
He's talked about seeing water flow in underground, seeing ground shaking violently,
seeing different colors, seeing regions,
seeing a newspaper blow by and grabbing it, trying to look for signs of date, time,
geographic regions.
He's done a lot of work on how to channel this so that he's actually a participant in the vision
and that he can see what's going on and tell it.
But sometimes, like one of the times he called me, it was really taking him over.
I mean, it was really causing him some physical distress.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
And anxiety.
Yes.
Very nervous and shaking.
Yes.
I've felt that from him many times when I've talked to him.
Yeah.
It translates.
And did it scare you?
No.
I mean, it scared me for Gordon's social health, because it seemed a very draining situation, and you've mentioned these things have been going on.
He's called me after these sessions, and he's worried for his own health.
The people around him are worried for his health.
Yeah.
And I can believe that.
I mean, no matter what else you believe, the guy is genuine.
Absolutely genuine.
These things are happening to him.
You know, whether or not you believe it, who he's with Drew, I guarantee if you talk to this man personally, or for that matter listen to him on the radio, it translates and you know it's for real.
For him.
Oh, then I'll talk to him the following day and it's... Yeah, the birds are singing, the snow is flying.
Yeah.
Well, I'm like that myself and I'm sure you are.
I mean, you have days when the world's crashing in on you, And then you have days when things are clicking and the birds are singing, as you say, and all the rest of it.
Even though you've gone through this, the mind softens the memory, I guess.
All right, Charles, hold on.
We'll be right back to you for the final half hour.
My guest, a consulting geologist named Charles Watson from Reno.
I'm Art Bell, and this, as usual, is The Unexpected.
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My guest is Charles Watson.
He is a consulting geologist in Reno, Nevada.
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It has been a fascinating morning, and again, I want to pass this along to you.
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Transcends, uh, the near-term political fracas going on in the country.
We'll get back to that in due time.
Um, Mr. Bell, I recently downloaded your video program, and it works great!
By the way, I recently visited the Reno area, and on the news, they were talking about Mono Lake and a possible volcanic eruption.
Could you please ask Charles what he thinks?
So, I'm asking Charles.
Yeah, this is the same thing with Mammoth Lake.
Mammoth Lake, Mono Lake.
Yeah, Mono is just up the hill from Mammoth.
And again, what we talked about earlier was that activity surges or earthquake swarms, micro-earthquake swarms like they had at Mammoth is not uncommon.
And so they received trees, five magnitude trees.
A couple dozen magnitude 2s and about 200 magnitude 1s.
Yeah, it was a little robust sequence.
But it teetered out and it searched again.
I think I saw on the listing a couple more 3s that occurred.
But it's usually related to hydrothermal fluids like hot water circulating because of the magma source.
But the instruments do show that there are tectonic movements still going on.
There's swelling of the caldera.
Swelling is bad?
Swelling is okay.
Swelling is good as long as you get the little earthquakes that relieve the stress with swelling.
And so that's kind of like a pressure cooker.
Yeah, exactly.
You want to have that valve up on top relieving the pressure, and when it doesn't, then nothing much is going to happen for a while, but then all of a sudden your kitchen's going to be a real disaster.
That's correct, like when you run out of water.
Yeah, yeah.
And so what's been concerning scientists at the Namath Lakes area is that there has not been A significant number of large or moderate quakes, I mean not large but moderate quakes, like threes and fours to relieve that tectonic strain and so it's been relatively quiet from August until about now and so this recent surge that we had, it's a good thing to see that it relieves some stress.
uh...
morning all right here's another one for you and i thought that you
get it any information on the keyword for
in northern california totally overdue for a big one This comes from Mark, listening to KSFO, which happens to be in San Francisco, so you see the reason for the concern.
Well, I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area, originally.
I'm from a little town called Orindo, over the Berkeley Hills, with all the SFO people down there.
I attended a conference down there last February, February 95, on the implications of a 7.2 earthquake on the Northern Hayward Fault, which is from Richmond down to Hayward. Yes. And it was devastating. I mean, there was a
guy that just captured my attention when he went from slide to slide to slide that said this
building will come down, this building will come down, this building would come down and on and on
and on it went.
The landslides, the liquefaction, which is when the ground shakes, it turns to like quicksand and it drops.
It loses its supporting strength and things sink into it.
The Oakland Bayfront is full of that.
They saw that in the Embarcadero Freeway that collapsed.
That was the main reason.
It was poorly founded.
in Baymouth and a lot of, there'll be a lot of damage if that quake happens, but hopefully
they'll get some designer quakes and that's what we call it as magnitude 5, 5 and a half,
you know, upper 5 that will get people alert and ready, you know, before the big one hits.
What's the state of the art, aside from people like Gordon, I know there are a lot of ongoing
experiments in California in trying to predict earthquakes.
And every now and then you will hear a prediction made by a scientist or somebody of your caliber that has been made as a result of It is my guess that we will.
I think there's some real neat stuff coming out.
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