Dr. Nick Begich warns that the HAARP program, a one-gigawatt ionospheric heater in Alaska, could trigger catastrophic chain reactions by injecting energy into an unstable Earth system currently experiencing seismic swarms and volcanic alerts. Citing military documents and historical precedents like the 1964 Great Alaskan earthquake, he argues the facility can weaponize weather, disable electronics via electromagnetic pulses, and alter human behavior through brainwave entrainment. Begich condemns the project's lack of independent oversight and calls for an international moratorium, asserting that its potential to manipulate global systems without due process represents a profound threat to humanity. [Automatically generated summary]
You used to know Bud Hopkins as one of the premier investigators, UFO investigators in the world, author of the million-selling intruders, missing time.
Bud Hopkins called me from New York, and he said that he had been talked into doing a science program, a supposed science program, for public broadcasting NOVA.
And according to Bud, Bud Hopkins and John Mac from Harvard University are about to get slammed again.
Apparently what occurred is that the Manova people set them up.
And what they anticipate is a hit piece in about a week on NOVA.
And Bud definitely wanted to get some airtime to tell you what it is they're going to do before they do it.
And I have offered that to him.
And so he will be here Monday night, Monday evening, Bud Hopkins.
A very, very angry, very upset Bud Hopkins.
Perhaps by then he will cool, but I didn't get that sense at all.
So that's coming up kind of on the eclectic side, probably for at least a couple hours, I would guess, on Monday.
Then we'll dive into the coming, of course then we'll be into Tuesday morning by that time and we'll be into politics, I'm sure, with the New Hampshire primary.
In the meantime, I'll not miss it that much.
You all pretty well know what's going on.
You know about the tight race going on in New Hampshire.
And there's not a lot more to say about it than that right now.
We said most of that last night.
Now, I've got another little notice for you here.
Whether or not you are aware of it, there have been mammoth quakes going on.
And when I say mammoth, I mean as in many.
And I'm going to give you a readout of how many earthquakes have been occurring in the mammoth area.
And this will shock you.
These are not gigantic magnitude earthquakes.
13 February 96.
In 24 hours, there were 34 registered earthquakes.
Average magnitude 1.5, high magnitude 2.3.
On 14 February of 96, there were 54 earthquakes, averaging 1.6 with a high magnitude of 2.5.
Then 15 Feb, 78 earthquakes, average 1.2, high magnitude 3.5.
16 Feb, not as many, 40, but averaging higher, 3.5 once again.
So the person who sent me this fact, Dale in Campbell, said the frequency of quakes is less, depth roughly the same, average magnitude is greater, high magnitude is about the same.
Then I received, and I have no way of verifying this except that I believe it to be true, and I have a second source on it.
New York, KNDC Television, Los Angeles, announced on its 4 p.m. newscast that the USGS, that's a USGS, had declared a volcanic event alert for the Mammoth Lakes area following a, quote, swarm, end quote, of earthquakes occurring over the past week.
So, I have never heard of that.
A volcanic event alert.
Now, when you consider that language, it's kind of interesting, a volcanic event alert.
There's going to be a volcanic, or maybe a volcanic event at Mammoth Lakes.
Interesting.
So, I thought you should hear about all of that.
And again, even though I've got two sources on it, it's one by facts and another that came in by telephone prior to the about five minutes prior to showtime tonight.
Now, there's one other thing that I want to get out before we go to Dr. Begich, actually, a couple more.
This will surprise you.
From Reuters, the World Health Organization says 15 people have died in the West African state of Gabon, possibly of the dreaded Ebola disease, after spinning a chimpanzee to cook it for a meal.
Officials say four other Gabonese villagers who'd taken part in preparing the feast became seriously ill in a hospital in the town of Makaku, at M-A-K-O-K-O-U, about 240 miles east of the capital.
Ebola killed 244 people in Zaire, you'll recall recently.
So, again, this is Reuters, and it may well be that Ebola is moose again in Africa.
We don't know at this point, but certainly that report would suggest so.
That was from Reuters, so that you know the source.
Now, I've got just a couple of things I want to do, and then I want to get clear sailing for we also have a very special edition of the newsletter coming out with an article by Dr. Nick Begich.
This is one you're not going to want to miss, and after we've been doing the program for a while, I'll be telling you more about that.
At any rate, Dr. Begich has written about HAARP, and he'll tell you what HAARP stands for.
We did a five-hour, well, four or five-hour program with Dr. Begich not that long ago.
And during that program, a lot of people suddenly came awake as they realized what it is that HARP actually is.
It is the ultimate test for a talk show host to see if you become congested and sneeze and begin dripping in your own microphone where we can actually do a talk show.
If you suffer headaches, neckaches, injuries, arthritis, I've got several of those going this morning.
Or any other pain problem, let me tell you about Laprina.
His aspirin you do not have to digest.
It is aspirin in a strand bottle, liquid aspirin.
And we've got a medical man with us, Dr. Begich's medical man.
He, I'm sure, will tell you that the skin is a rather interesting absorber, efficient absorber of medicines, or biochemical weapons, or nicotine patches.
You know, skin can absorb, and it does, as in aspirin.
If you understand medicine can be absorbed into the skin, then you should understand the muscle aches and so forth.
You can glypopically and get aspirin relief through your digestive system, you know, if you're aspirin sensitive.
And if you're not, call them at 1-800-308-4565.
That's 1-800-308-4565.
Now I'm going to tell you how this developed briefly.
We'll be lucky to get Dr. Begich on in the first half hour here.
But this really is necessary preliminary information.
I spoke with John Hexler, F-H-E-C-K-S-C-H-E-R.
And I did so because we're doing an article after the very, very controversial that's in Alaska, which is ostensibly what's called an ionospheric heater.
And we'll try and keep this on a ground level and explain to you what it is.
Sounds like science fiction, but it's not.
It's science fact.
And since we're going to do an article for the newsletter, I called John in Boston.
And I spent about 30 minutes on the phone with him, and I'm going to allow portions of that conversation to unwind in the course of the conversation with Dr. Begich.
But I did want to tell you this right off the get-go so you know.
I offered Mr. Hetcher the opportunity to come on the radio and be interviewed solely by me in a non-contentious opportunity for him to present his side of the story.
Now, arguably, HAARP has had some fairly seriously bad press, bad press, a number of newspaper articles, television stories, sightings, on and on.
And it's been some fairly bad press.
At any rate, Mr. Hetcher checked with his bosses.
Now, I don't know who they'd be because he is the program manager of HAARP, but the Air Force, you see, is also involved in HARP.
And so, I don't know whether that means the Air Force is his boss.
He never named who his boss was.
I thought he was the boss.
But he came back at me and said, no, they, folks, don't want me to go on the air.
They won't let me go on the air.
So that's the answer I got to that question.
And that so provoked me that I thought I'd better have Dr. Begich back.
and the United States congressman from Alaska, Peggy Baker, Alaska for his own.
He is a past president of the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education.
He's been pursuing independent research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult life.
He received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for the Complementary Medicines in November of 1994.
He wrote the first major story on the HAARP project published in October of 94 in Nexus, an international magazine based in Australia, where Stan is.
His research files on the project and related technologies include more than 400 documents spanning 80 years of technological developments.
That is Dr. Begich, Nick, who I guess could call him.
And so what I'm going to do is bring him up right now.
Dr. Begich, how are you this evening?
Oh, it's good to have you back here.
I'm going to let, as I said, the conversation I had with John Hetscher kind of unwind here as we go.
See, HARP is kind of an acronym for a high-frequency active allorial research project, which is a jointly managed project between the Air Force and Navy that's being sort of front-ended a little bit by the Geophysical Institute, the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
And it's designed, it's a system of, really it's a proof of concept or a prototypical weapon system that's being operated here in Alaska.
It's in its first phase of operation.
It's at its first power level, which has an effective radiated to 1 billion watts, 1 gigawatt.
That's what it's designed to handle.
And they've been running it at about a third of its potential, and they're getting ready to initiate some additional tests here in March.
What I understand is it's been running since December 15th, 1994 is when they fired it up the first time.
And it's run intermittently with what they call campaigns, which are periods of time that are run specific tests.
The first year or so, primarily they were dealing with the whole issue of getting the circuits all to work correctly, getting the system to integrate correctly, and then they began more serious testing going into last fall and going into this year.
I would like to give that out now if you have it, just so the computer people during the course of the show can go up and download and take a look at the antenna arrays that comprise the HARP project.
Okay, if they just do a quick web search using one of the basic search crawlers, they can use the acronym HARP, H-A-A-R-P, and they'll get a number of databases, including the military database, which has the photos.
Although several of the others now, I think there's about 20 of them that pop up now that actually have photographs, a number of those of the array itself.
So just do a quick crawl and that'll get you sort of through that.
Okay, right now it's a field that's about five, six acres of actual land that's taken up by this array, and it's designed modularly so they can expand it.
And in fact, on the books, there's a contract that was let for the second phase of the project, which oil levels for 0.7 times more power than the power levels the current array is configured for.
That particular aspect of the project has not been funded, but the contract was let at the same time.
If it's true, and I warn you at this time, though what I have appears official, and we have made one call, I want more information on it, but an eight-point quake, ladies and gentlemen, falling in the area near Indonesia, close to New Guinea, I'm afraid would fit squarely in with the pattern that we've been hoping not, particularly quakes of this magnitude.
Dr. Begits, I would like to apologize to you.
I'm getting all this information hitting me all at once here, and I'm trying to get it on the air.
An eight-point earthquake, as you're well aware, I'm sure, Doctor, is a serious event.
It is a um it can be visualized uh simply as a an energy bubble around the planet that keeps incoming radiations of various kinds and that would be damaging to us like x-rays and cosmic rays from entering our immediate environment where they would make um life impossible on the planet.
So it actually can be visualized as a protective layer.
It's um approximately 50 to um 620 miles above the Earth's surface.
And it you know it is in fact you might consider it a a naturally occurring safety shield around the planet would probably be the easiest way to describe it.
When you look at it the way it's diagrammed, in fact we show a diagram that comes right out of the Air Force record that's in the front end of our book.
It kind of lays it out in a few different layers.
And I'm turning to that as I'm talking to you.
And it lays out the ionospheric layering.
And what you see essentially is the regions are broken into three areas.
When you look at it the way it's diagrammed, in fact, we show a diagram that comes right out of the Air Force record that's in the front end of our book.
It kind of lays it out in a few different layers.
And I'm turning to that as I'm talking to you.
And it lays out the ionospheric layering.
And what you see, essentially, is the regions are broken into three areas.
The lower region, actually 37 to 56 miles up is the area where we see the aurora or the northern lights as they're called.
And then you have the E layer, which is approximately 56 to 93 miles up.
And then the F layer, which is the high ionospheric region, which runs all the way up to 620 miles.
I actually do understand as I'm doing it for their sake.
I've been an amateur radio operator since I've been 12 years old.
And I depended on those various layers of the ionosphere for communications.
In fact, I almost prayed to them at times.
And when the sunspot cycle is in a favorable portion of that cycle, we get F-layer reflection, which being the highest layer, of course, if you go up, you can go down and come in one hop, literally, almost to the other side of the world.
And it makes for very efficient, long-range communication when we have a favorable sunspot cycle.
So that's what hams use it for.
The military also uses it.
I suppose not to the degree they once did.
They've got a lot of satellites up there now.
But they use it.
Show wave broadcasters use it.
That's how we're able to hear these signals come from the other side of the world reliably on short waves.
So, Doctor, when they turn this on, what are they endeavoring to do?
See, there's a number of differing effects that they can realize with these ionospheric heaters is what the military calls these large radio frequency transmitters.
And one of the effects, in fact, the first effect they identified as the Department of Defense effect is to modulate or cause the ionosphere to vibrate in a certain way that causes an extremely low frequency signal to come back to the Earth, which they can manipulate for the purpose of communicating with submarines, because that long wave will penetrate the Earth and the ocean to reach submarines.
And that was the initial discussion, at least the public discussion, about what this particular device was going to be used for.
Later, they revealed an additional use, which was earth-penetrating tomography.
This is the idea in the vernacular.
It would be like X-raying here.
They're looking into the Earth several kilometers deep.
And with instruments on the ground sending this extremely low signal in, they can actually locate underground tunnels, nuclear facilities, shelters, mineral deposits of various kinds.
And this is actually the testing mode that they're in for the 1996 year, because what happened when they went to the Congress and they talked about this particular application to Congress says, hey, wait a minute, this is a major priority of the United States Senate, United States House.
We want you to make it a top priority, or at least a higher priority, in your program, which they did.
They made it the priority for this whole year.
And in order to get their additional funding for their second phase, they had to do that.
That was actually in the sort of a narrative of the Senate report on this budget item.
The additional things that we find that they will be doing is creating ionospheric mirrors, which can be visualized as sort of an energy layer, a layer of plasma that can be manipulated like a hand mirror to bounce signals off of over-the-horizon radar effects.
And that particular over-the-horizon radar effect shows up in a couple of patents that are associated with this project.
And those radar effects will allow them to look from essentially the ionospheric levels all the way down to the Earth's surface for incoming objects, including cruise missiles.
The other thing they can do by cranking the power up a little bit on this device, they can create an energy field around those incoming objects and distinguish which ones are carrying nuclear payloads and which ones aren't.
This is, you know, I'm not sure how the mechanism itself works.
You know, we cite the patents and we went through them and had a radio engineer go through those and explain to us exactly what they mean.
But it's a remarkable technology.
They even invented for this specific application, the company that originally owned all these patents commissioned a group of Israeli scientists just outside of Tel Aviv to develop our gamma-ray detection device that actually is used for distinguishing between those incoming objects for detecting which ones are carrying a nuclear payload.
And why that's important, in nuclear attack, they always imagined a large number, like maybe 100,000 incoming objects, and we don't have the capacity to take out every object with certainty.
If we could reduce that number to just the targets that are carrying nuclear warheads, our ability to knock those targets would be significantly enhanced.
This technology in this respect is certainly a huge advancement over previous Over-the-Horizon radar technologies.
In fact, the site that sits on is the abandoned over-the-horizon radar facility called Backscatter.
He absolutely bristled when I used the same word, a weapon.
It is not a weapon, he said.
This is simple research being done to the Air Force to determine atmospheric characteristics for furthering better satellite communications and ground communications and so forth.
But bristled, absolutely bristled, when I use that word weapon.
Well, I think a careful review of the patent materials themselves leads no other conclusion, quite frankly.
And when you look at it from his perspective, okay, and you look at the way he structures his written materials, and we've got a pretty good volume of the written materials on the project.
And what they essentially do is they call this a proof-of-concept project, where they're really just trying to prove certain things are true and work.
I mean, you can split some flying hairs here, and he does a really masterful job of it.
You know, I grew up in a political family, and I thought politicians had the franchise on wordsmithing, but I really found in researching this project, the military's got one up on political folks.
They really want to keep it in that vein, at least perceived by the public as, oh, don't worry, we're just doing simple research.
But, you know, the military doesn't do simple research in the sense of not for just pure science purposes.
They're researching for the basic application of this technology to very specific weapon systems.
You know, when you talk about over-the-horizon radar and distinguishing between objects and communicating, you know, those are all integrated parts of this system.
When you look at it in terms of higher power levels, using that same over-the-horizon concept, and you get it up above the power level for just identifying incoming objects in terms of payload, you can actually increase the energy level so you can burn out an electronic circuit.
And the energy levels necessary to do that are documented in a record that we found, which was an international document by the International Red Cross that was looking at the implications of new weapons technologies and international law.
But what I was going to say is previously to achieve that, I believe the theory, or in fact it may have been proven, is that you detonate a nuclear weapon at high altitude, and the pulse that emanates from it would destroy computers as you have described.
The beauty of it from a military perspective is you don't have the radioactive fallout.
But from a practical standpoint, and people remember these reports numbers of years ago where they were saying, you know, one thermonuclear blast above the United States is going to knock out all our communications and then flying electronic equipment and making the nuclear war just sort of end on us.
And this technology advances that whole idea much, much further.
Now, granted, this particular HARP transmitter at its current stage couldn't do it over a very, very large area like was envisioned in those early reports of thermonuclear detonation.
But where they're headed with this technology, what our information shows, and it's not just ours, we just collected it.
It's their records.
It's their statement.
And it shows that the power levels that they desire this system to go up to at some juncture is 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
I lived on the island of Okinawa, Doctor, and I remember a million watt transmitter, a million watt transmitter, which is one of the biggest I knew about, operating on the island of Okinawa.
And that would bother people and fences, electrified fences and turn on lights in villages nearby and so forth and going, aimed toward Korea, you know, propagandizing Korea.
And that was a million watts.
And you did say, I did hear you right, that was a hundred billion with a B watts.
Yes, and where we drew this from is from this technical memorandum 195.
And the interesting part about this particular document is it's, first of all, it's 613 pages, which is, you know, pretty darn long memorandum by anybody's standards, but maybe not for bureaucracy, but it's a long memorandum.
But what it actually is, is it's the overheads, view graphs, and notes that were compiled from a conference that was laying out the specifications for the HAARP program.
And invited guests of the military included like 80 different organizations.
With continuing apologies to Dr. Begich for stealing his time.
Fortunately, with radio, we've got a lot of time.
There's some things I'm going to have to catch you up on quickly here.
Somebody sent me a patch that hits the mark.
All right, hang in there, buddy.
You're in the right place at the right time for the right reason.
It gets scary as hell of times, but I'm also sure you've been through scary times before.
I read your book.
Talk to you soon, Larry in Medford.
Well, Larry's right, and I'm just going to read you sort of a culmination of what I've got here, all right?
We began the program this morning confirming a volcano of volcano hazard for Mammoth Lake area in California.
And I'll read you what I've got as confirmation now.
Dear Art on Fox TV Channel the Vox TV Network, 10 o'clock news, transcribed from the tape we recorded.
USGS says the recent earth movement and other signs of unrest around Mammoth Lake prompted them to issue get this a low level, what they call a low level volcano hazards alert.
Officials emphasize there's no indication of an imminent eruption.
We called USGS Hotline in Menlo Paul hits the mark.
All right, hang in there, buddy.
You're in the right place at the right time for the right reason.
It gets scary as hell of times, but I'm also sure you've been through scary times before.
I read your book.
Talk to your food, Larry in Medford.
Well, Larry's right, and I'm just going to read you sort of culmination of what I've got here, all right?
We began the program this morning confirming a volcano of volcano hazard in the Mammoth Lake area in California.
And I'll read you what I've got as confirmation now.
Dear Art on Fox TV Channel the Fox TV Network, 10 o'clock news, transcribed from the tape we recorded.
USGS says the recent earth movement and other signs of unrest around Mammoth Lake prompted them to issue get this a low level, what they call a low level volcano hazards alerts.
Officials emphasize there's no indication of an imminent eruption.
We called USGS Hotline in Menlo Park in the past 24-hour period ending at 8 a.m. Friday, 216, 75 earthquakes in the northern and central California area.
14 of a magnitude equal or larger than 2 in the mammoth lake area for magnitude 3 or larger, largest 3.7.
So thank you for that.
Then comes this.
Art information.
I guess I'd better read the official version first.
This is very serious stuff.
In the area of Indonesia, which is a very, frankly, uncomfortable area to have this happen, there has been near New Guinea a magnitude 8 or greater earthquake in the last couple of hours, magnitude 8 or greater.
And the following is a tsunami advisory bulletin for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and California only.
At this time, no, repeat, no watch or warning is in effect for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, or California.
This is only an advisory.
An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 8.0 occurred at, and I'll simplify it by telling you that it was about 10 o'clock Pacific time tonight.
It occurred, once again, near New Guinea.
And then this, this bulletin is for all areas of the Pacific basin, except California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, Alaska.
A tsunami warning and watch are now in effect for the Yap area, Guam, Chup, probably slaughtering that, the Philippines.
A tsunami watch is in effect for Japan, Taiwan, the Marshall Islands, Marcus Islands, Lake Island, and Russia.
And frankly, when I got this, as you might imagine, I was sitting on it, afraid to read it, but now I've got one, for example, get this.
Art, information received from a UMID urgent marine information bulletin out of Kodiak, Alaska.
U.S. Coast Guard is now putting the magnitude at 8.2 and the coordinates at .5, that's 0.5 north, and 137 degrees east.
If you get any information on depth, would you please delay it?
Could be very useful in figuring if a tsunami watch or warning might be issued for the west coast of the U.S. Thanks for always keeping us up to the second with breaking news.
Please don't use my name as the information I'm giving you was received from official sources, so I will not.
From Aaron in Carson City, Rachel Art, at the subject, Mammoth Lakes has had several earthquakes warmed of large enough magnitude, little ones almost constantly, that USGS today issued a low-level volcano warning for the area.
They've always said the next new volcano on this continent will be in the Mammoth area, maybe soon.
So that catches you up with what I know to be hour.
Obviously, the news services have not caught up with it yet, but I believe based on the volume of faxes and confirming information that this gigantic earthquake has occurred, and there are tsunami watches, and depending on where you are, concerned.
So we're going to continue monitoring this for reasons that those of you who listen to the show are well aware of.
And I'll try to keep you up to date as I get information.
Dr. Begich is my guest.
You wouldn't know it by the amount of talking I'm doing.
I'm sorry, this is all breaking news.
And we're talking about HARP as well.
And there may be, we will ask with regard to the weather, certainly, and possibly areas like this.
I was afraid you might have fallen asleep during all that.
Doctor, just let me get your reaction to this, if I might.
This striking news of all these earthquakes, volcanic possible volcano warnings of all things in the mammoth area, there is a great deal of geologic activity going on in the Earth right now.
Now, I know this is not your field of expertise, but maybe you'd wish to comment on it.
You know, this has come up periodically as we've spoken about the HARP project.
In fact, this whole issue was coming up earlier today in another program I was on.
And, you know, the issue of a destabilized Earth, if you will, that all of us, anyone who's been following the news for any length of time, recognizes that, in fact, the Earth has demonstrated releases of energy in a number of ways.
Most recently, if you look historically in the last decade, the increase in frequency, magnitude, and depth of earthquake activity is there, well documented.
No one can argue with that.
If you look at anomalous weather patterns in terms of intensity, unusual patterns of weather, and not just in the United States, but globally around the world.
And then if you look at one other factor, the heights of the North Sea, which have been measured for over 30 years, each of these things we document actually in our book because it's a demonstration that the Earth is undergoing some major changes of, because this is the way the Earth generates an energy release.
And part of our concern with the HAARP project is we're about to dump unprecedented levels of energy into a system that is already demonstrating that it's disturbed, perturbed, however you want to call it.
And our concern is that maybe this is that last straw on this camel's back that's going to put us into a very, very chaotic situation.
In fact, the individual that wrote the foreword to our book, Dr. Patrick Flanagan, that was his strongest statement in terms of this ionospheric research is that we may in fact generate a chaotic event in the ionosphere that might change react to this system we call the Earth.
So, you know, I think those are all legitimate concerns.
The other consideration that I can point to is actually how the magnetic poles of the planet have shifted in recent times.
In fact, in geologic time, they've shifted.
80,000 years ago, they moved from a point approximately in the Yukon territories of northwestern Canada to a point off the coast of Norway.
And then 50,000 years ago, they shifted from there to the point in Hudson Bay, which is, when you think about the last ice age, that would have been sort of the center of the ice field.
And then 15,000 years ago, which is the beginning of the end of that ice age, it shifted to its current position.
It's a whopper, Doctor, because my understanding, and it's a very loose understanding, of the number of eight-point or greater events that one can expect in any average year is not more than one or two.
And there have just been, there's been a series of quakes going on in the Pacific that's unbelievable.
And now, and isn't that tied, Doctor, possibly to volcanic activity, the predictions of volcanic activity and all this swarming of earthquakes that's going on in the Mammoth area.
Couldn't all that be tied geologically in some way together?
Sure, because of the plate tectonics and the whole idea of plate movement can create one thing happening on one end of the planet as sort of triggers a chain of events on the other.
In fact, if you look at the way these things happen, you generally you see it happen in one place, releases energy, and then that releases strains and other energies in other parts of the same plate or joining plates, and you see this sort of rim around the Pacific that just sort of goes through these sporadic jolts all the way around.
So, you know, it makes perfect sense in terms of plate tectonics.
And this is, you know, again, it's energy being released, and here we are in Alaska about to pump in unprecedented amounts of energy into an already perturbed or disturbed system.
And that's certainly a concern of ours.
Another interesting point that came out in the HAARP research is that during the Great Alaskan earthquake of 1964, they actually recorded an ionospheric disturbance created by that Earth movement.
This came up in the group that monitors spectrum assignments for the Department of Commerce that was dealing with the HARP issue specific mentions that in one of their letters.
And, you know, and it's kind of interesting because I raised the question to a scientist and part of our researchers says, you know, wouldn't it make sense that if you, you know, so above, so below, and in this case, the reverse?
And he said, no, he didn't think that that would be the case.
However, the whole idea of pumping in this amount of energy, who knows what's going to happen.
We've never done it before.
So he didn't say absolutely not.
He just said, it remains to be seen, but we don't know what's going to happen when you start pushing this kind of energy into this system.
And we really don't know that much.
We think we do, but, you know, every few years they discover a little bit more.
I mean, more recently in terms of atmospheric research, we have the blue on our sprites, bright red sprites that they discovered that are sort of up cloud top during lightning storms.
Oh, yes.
And this is a new phenomenon we didn't even know existed.
In fact, it was discovered by the same Geophysical Institute that's dealing with this HAARP project right now.
So, you know, we really don't understand the full mechanism of the planet.
And to think we do, and to think we can get away with pumping in energy, we might get lucky, but then again, we might not.
And our whole position on this project is this isn't something we can toy with.
This is not a good time to be toying with a system that's already demonstrating huge, unprecedented releases of energy.
In addition to the statement that the HARP program manager made to me about why this is nothing more than a certain radio transmitter puts out, I'm pretty well aware of these acres of antennas that will transmit the HAARP energy are designed to produce a very narrow beam width.
In other words, instead of energy being spread out over the ionosphere as a ham radio operator might send it, these antennas are designed to make a very narrow beam width and virtually burning a hole through or burning a hole into or heating a very specific part of the ionosphere.
You might compare it, for example, to going out in the sun during a warm day and just feeling the warmth of the sun on your skin.
But if you take a magnifying glass and you put a little dot on your skin, hold it back from your skin, let the sun put a little dot there, you'll burn a hole right down through your hand if you leave it there long enough, correct?
We're getting all kinds of confirming information regarding a very, very large earthquake near Indonesia, ranging somewhere between 8 and 8.2 on the open-ended Richter scale, a very large earthquake, and they're concerned about tsunamis, tidal waves, that sort of thing, occurring in an area that Mr. Scallion, I'm sorry to say, predicted one of this magnitude would occur.
We're also getting information this morning, if you want something to be concerned about, as if you need it after that, that there has been by USGS issued today what's called a low-level volcano warning for the Mammoth Lakes area because there have been literally, over the last couple of weeks, hundreds of swarming earthquakes.
And many of you may recall that there were literally hundreds of swarming earthquakes off the Japanese coast prior to the 8-point earthquake they had, fortunately in a rather uninhabited area north of Japan in the Kuroyo Islands.
So we're processing this data as fast as we can, everybody.
In the meantime, we're talking about HAARP, which in a kind of an interesting way relates.
I won't even bother to tell you now, I'm just getting confirmation after confirmation of this from all kinds of people and all kinds of sources.
So there is now no question about this large earthquake.
I will get back to Dr. Bigitz in just a moment.
If it sounds a little disconnected, it's because we are processing this morning a very great deal of incoming information.
I received the information of the earthquake about five minutes prior to airtime.
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Doctor, just because I got a fax that says the following art about angels don't play this harp, so what's the point?
I still don't quite know what HARP is other than the acronym or that it is an acronym.
Is it bigger than a bread box?
So obviously we picked up this in the last 20 or 30 minutes, and we're going to have to backtrack just enough to give us a brief sketch of what HAARP actually is.
In terms of a project, it's a jointly managed project between the Air Force and Navy operating in Alaska.
It's a very, very large radio frequency transmitter.
The current configuration of antennas has the upward capability of 1 billion watts of effective radiated power at this time.
And then it has the next phase, second phase will take it up to 4.7 billion watts, such a billion with a B in the next phase.
And the military documents that we have indicates a desired level of 100 billion watts in effective radiated power.
And what all that will do is create a multi-faceted, multi-use weapon system that has both the capability of over-the-horizon radar for detecting objects, discriminating between objects.
It has a communication capability.
On the upper power levels, it has the ability to wipe out communications, land, sea, air base communications, and yet still carry the communications of the operator or the military in this case.
We also explore in our book, Angels Don't Play This HARP, the potential uses in terms of weather modification and in terms of affecting human physiology, including the human mind.
Well, it shows up in a government document, and it was like about three lines in the middle of a very lengthy document.
And what it essentially said is that during the Great Alaskan quake of 1964, that the government detected an ionospheric disturbance that corresponded to the quake.
In other words, the quake happened and then this ionospheric disturbance occurred that was related to the earthquake.
Now, how that relates, it didn't go into any great explanation, but what it indicates certainly is the connection of this entire system we call Earth.
And from our perspective, it was a red flag.
In fact, when I first read it, I had never seen anything like it either.
And I went, now wait a minute, though above, though below, you know, as the saying goes.
And I inquired about this to some of our fellow researchers and specialists.
And what they said is they couldn't discount it entirely.
It was, you know, as startling to them as it was to us.
But there was just nothing in the literature that would say, hey, this can occur.
Now, well, we didn't mention this when we first covered it, but when we go back to a specific document that we uncovered in the course of our research, and it was a book called Unless Teeth Comes, and within that book was a chapter written by Gordon J.F. McDonald, who was a geophysicist at UCLA specializing in problems of warfare.
And he was also a science advisor to Lyndon Bain Johnson.
And the chapter he wrote for that book was called How to Wreck Your Environment.
kind of a catchy name, I guess, but before the environmental movement, it was written in 1969.
And he speaks very clearly and concisely about the use of um uh small inputs to create large outputs.
And what he describes in that particular chapter is is um triggering events that might cause earth movement, tidal waves, um an Antarctic uh um meltdown in terms of um uh as a weapon system.
And he also discusses the ability to electronically stroke the ionosphere in a certain and specific way that would cause um behavioral modification over a very large geographic area.
That's 1969 by a scientist who had uh world-renowned credibility and certainly credibility with the president of the United States at the time, Lyndon Johnson.
Non-linear event because it's one of the things that the military um is predicting in the course of uh of their writings about HARP.
And a way to visualize it, a scientist named Al Zelensky sent us this analogy recently.
And what he said is, you know, stack or line up dominoes from where you're sitting all the way to Paris.
And you hit the first one with a 10 gram weight.
And the energy released as it travels along to Paris is is much greater than 10 gram.
And then he said, now picture that same set of dominoes with each domino, say, increasing a half a percent in size with each each successive domino, so that by the time you hit Paris, you've got one about the size of the Eiffel Tower crushing it.
You still hit the first one with the 10 gram weight.
Now picture radio frequency energy being pulsed into the ionosphere, which is already a very highly energized area.
Also picture, and in Alaska they've done this.
The Geophysical Institute has fired over the last decade or so dozens and dozens, as many as a couple hundred barium-laden rockets to map the magnetic lines of force, the naturally occurring magnetic lines that that wrap around the planet.
So now picture sending pulsed radio frequency in their energy ranges that we've discussed into those magnetic lines of force.
And let's suppose that they resonate with those lines of force to create an increasing energy yield.
In fact, one of the scientists associated with the HARP project, who's out of UCLA, that was identified by John Hetcher in one of his memorandums, actually discovered a non-linear, a sort of inexplicable event that occurs in the ionosphere at the coupling point, at the very edge of the ionosphere where it catches the magnetosphere, which is another highly energized layer or wrapping around the planet.
What they found is energy in the VOF range, very low frequency range, when it hits that point, amplifies by as much as a thousand times and creates a virtual electron particle rain over the area below.
And that was discovered using just standard BLF kind of transmitters.
Nothing on the power levels comparable to HAARP.
Now picture HAARP with a billion watts at its current level, beamed up to that coupling point, and then whatever energy finally arrives there being magnified a thousand times.
And at lower levels created electron particle rain, what the heck are we going to create with a billion watts of effective radiated power being focused in that way?
We really don't know.
What Hector said in the sighting segment that ran recently is, oh, yeah, this thing will make some holes in the ionosphere, but don't worry, they'll sort of refill in in a few minutes.
Well, that may or may not be the case.
The whole nature of experimentation is to find out the answers to questions you're posing.
And that is one of those questions they're posing.
So this is very, very scary science in the sense that, you know, we need the ionosphere.
It's not something to toy with.
More than that, some of the effects that are capable and that are possible with pulsed radio frequency is pretty profound.
As recently as this last Sunday, there was a segment on 60 Minutes that amplified some of the things we said in our text.
And when we looked at non-lethal technologies, what HAARP represents is probably the biggest delivery system for this kind of non-lethal technology.
And if people remember reading press reports on non-lethals, they talk about sticky foam and things that dissolve rubber tires and nets and this kind of thing.
And at the very end, they usually mention, oh, yeah, send radio frequency, and they kind of mumble microwave weapons.
They talk about genetic soldiers and all kinds of things that they're beginning to get their fingers into.
And I just have serious worries, Doctor.
For example, in a lot of medical experiments recently, we've been doing some genetic research of a baboon immune system.
They tried to transplant that into a human being.
They've got a rabbit virus going down in Australia, modeled after Ebola for rabbits, if you will, that now apparently has jumped species down there.
We are in science right now, whether it's HARP or genetic research or any other level that seems to be of science, out on the very edge of absolutely not knowing what we're doing.
I mean, the military is not in the business of promoting human health.
They're in the business of defending the country.
And we believe very strongly that our country needs, and other countries of the world do need, a strong defense system.
Yes, but we need to be responsible with what we're developing there.
And we need to be open about some of that.
We don't have to tell people how to build some of these things, but we certainly have a right to debate the concept behind these weapon systems in terms of their ethics, their morality, and their risk.
The first level is the fact and the explanation of this science.
And the second place where I think it's a project that needs to be stopped, or at least a moratorium placed on it, until we can have an open review by independent scientists.
And I'm not talking about scientists necessarily in university settings because many of those universities derive a great deal of their money from the military establishment.
I'm talking about truly independent scientists.
This needs an international look.
You know, the ionosphere belongs to everyone on the planet.
If one country, whether it be the United States, the former Soviet Union, or a country in Europe, starts to play with the ionosphere, I think everyone in the planet has a right to be involved in the decision-making process leading up to that because it is too, too serious of a matter to just tamper with willy-nilly on the basis of creating new defense systems.
The scientists with regard to genetic research or perhaps HAARP or so many other areas seem to be telling us about these things after they've done them.
And it's sort of like, oh, by the way, we have done the following.
Yes, there may be repercussions.
When they did the baboon transplant, they said, and there could be repercussions.
We think it's very unlikely or not very likely, but a disease could be passed from animal to human.
And I believe that is how they think AIDS got started in the first place.
So it's sort of an, oh, by the way, and it's an attitude of science, it seems to me, that is very dangerous because they assume, seemingly, they can do what they want and sort of tell the world about it afterwards.
And this is, you know, this is wrong-headed in a sense, particularly when we're dealing with a governmental organization like the military.
They're not free spirits out there doing whatever they want.
They're supposed to be reflecting values and belief systems that are derived from the population that they're here to protect.
And to create weapons systems without involvement of taxpayers and citizens of this country in terms of where we're headed is really, it is wrong-headed.
In fact, in our book, we point out a whole area of revolutions in military affairs, which is what these new technologies represent to the military.
And we derived a good deal of information from a document put together by the Strategic Studies Institute of the United States Army.
And what they actually say in this document is they talk about the idea that, you know, we have all these new weapons technologies, but a number of these technologies will really kind of run counter, in fact, very counter to American values.
And so what they propose are mechanisms by which those values could be altered and changed by deliberate planning on the part of the military.
And where I really have strong disagreement is no branch of government, the Department of Agriculture or the Department of the Army, have a right or an obligation or even should be in the business of trying to shape American values.
They're in the business of carrying out policy that American values has already established.
And any time they get into that area, you start to question the kinds of things they pointed to in that document, which was called the Revolution in Military Affairs and Conflict Short of War.
The things they point to are radio frequency and microwave weapon systems that might be used to disable aircraft, causing them to crash.
And the parts of the values that they point to is, well, you know, if you make a plane crash because you suspect something, it's kind of forgetting about the trial, the judges, the juries, and due process, which is fundamental to American justice.
And, you know, this is, you know, going a little further, that same document talks about something that comes up periodically.
I'm in a number of conversations when people had trouble pointing to the government document that says, hey, they might do this to human beings, is the idea of micro-circuit implants for use in locating individuals anywhere on the planet.
It refers to the HARP Project in Alaska, a project designed to throw immense amounts of concentrated energy in the ionosphere for various stated reasons, depending on who you listen to.
Slightly eclipsing this, or perhaps going along with it, is some of the news, breaking news of the morning.
And I am astounded, absolutely astounded, that CNN and other broadcast organizations have not been running this.
But there are two interesting things going on this morning.
One is that USDS says the recent earth movement and so many earthquakes around the Mammoth Lake area have actually now prompted the USDS to issue what's called a low-level volcano hazard alert.
In other words, if I read this correctly, and I'm sure I do, they are saying there is some possibility that there may be a volcano born shortly, they think, in the Mammoth Lakes area.
And I've never heard of such thing issued before.
Maybe you have.
I haven't in an area where there has not been a volcano previously for what that's worth.
And then more serious, even more serious news, that near Indonesia, there has just been recorded somewhere between an 8 and an 8.2 magnitude on the open-ended Richter scale earthquake.
That's a very, very serious earthquake.
It is, for those of you who follow it, in the area that Mr. Stallion said such a quake of that particular magnitude would occur.
Worrison.
We're talking with Dr. Begits also about HAARP and its resonant effect.
A remarkable piece of information that he had for us is that during the large Alaskan earthquake, the government noticed an ionospheric disturbance concurrent with the Alaskan earthquake, tying the ionosphere and events on Earth, up above, down below, as he said, together.
So all of this does tie together.
Now, the tsunami alerts and warnings that were issued for the Pacific, including the Philippines and many other areas, have just been canceled.
This quake occurred at a depth of 33 kilometers, if you're tracking that sort of thing.
And that's all the news I have.
We will continue to keep you updated as the morning goes on.
If you're hearing this as a repeat on Monday morning, what you're hearing now occurred on Friday night, Saturday morning as we interviewed Dr. Begich.
I've got to think ahead because this is going to be rebroadcast.
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So here we are in the middle of a very great deal of breaking news this morning.
And now, as you all know, or maybe you don't, if you're just joining us at this hour, some stations do, Dr. Begich has written a book about this project, this Project Park, that is operating presently, has been operating at one of its lower levels for some time.
And that brings to mind the first question that I want to ask Dr. Begich.
Now, here's the problem that we get into whenever this subject is raised, and it is raised quite often, is we, you know, what we don't know and what is not being monitored independent of the United States military is the actual firing sequence and timing so that it can be closely correlated against anomalous weather patterns, which is extremely important.
In fact, it's one of the things that we've been asking, and a number of people that have been supporting our work have been asking our state government to do is to monitor this project independent of the federal government so that we can really see how those correlations take place.
Now, could HAARP influence weather across the country?
At this power level, I don't think so.
However, as we said earlier, the ability to magnify that power or increase or amplify that power once it reaches these magnetic lines of force and once it reaches even more specifically the region in the area of the upper ionosphere and lower magnetosphere, it may in fact be able to create weather modification.
Now, what John Hecher said in a recent interview on Canadian broadcasting system was that to create these kinds of massive weather effects, you would need something on the order of 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
And that's what Ethan, of course, envisioned in the upper end of this type of technology, and that's what the military itself.
Now, the question becomes, is that effective radiated power on the ground, or is that the power that might be amplified once the signal reaches the ionosphere?
And that question wasn't posed to him, so we really don't know the answer.
I mean, maybe, in fact, HAARP can.
But again, these are the kinds of questions that we're asking, that other scientists around the world now are asking, and the military is not really coming straight out and answering.
They keep saying a lot of things that just, they don't leave you with a very strong feeling of confidence, but they really know all of the implications of this project.
And, you know, we sit here and we put together very carefully, Gene Manning and I, this book.
And the reason we spent the time and effort on this, because we really felt it was important enough to do.
It took us away from other work we were on, but it has just, it has been, you know, a labor that just needed to get done.
We spent a year putting it together.
There's 350 footnoted sources in that book so that anyone that reads it, first of all, it's in plain English so you can understand it, but then anyone that has the inclination to dive into the scientific literature, it's all laid out there.
I mean, it's all right there, easy to source out and get deeper into the subject.
And our feeling is we would have really liked to have been wrong, but unfortunately, I'm right in our assertion and probably haven't even covered a lot of this.
Our brain to the movement of our hands and our feet and every little twitch and muscle and everything's connected and it's all electrical.
So 100 308 45, 65.
So here we are in the middle of a very great deal of breaking news this morning.
And now, as you all know, or maybe you don't, if you're just joining us at this hour, some stations do, Dr. Beggets has written a book about this project, this project part, that is operating presently, has been operating at one of its lower levels for some time.
And that brings to mind the first question that I want to ask Dr. Beggets.
And the answer to that is to some degree it could be.
Now, here's the problem that we get into whenever this subject is raised, and it is raised quite often, is we, you know, what we don't know and what is not being monitored independent of the United States military is the actual firing sequence and timing so that it can be closely correlated against anomalous weather patterns, which is extremely important.
In fact, it's one of the things that we've been asking, and a number of people that have been supporting our work have been asking our state government to do is to monitor this project independent of the federal government so that we can really see how those correlations take place.
Now, could HARP influence weather across the country at this power level?
I don't think so.
However, as we said earlier, the ability to magnify that power or increase or amplify that power once it reaches these magnetic lines of force and once it reaches even more specifically the region in the area of the upper ionosphere and lower magnetosphere, it may in fact be able to create weather modification.
Now, what John Hector said in a recent interview on Canadian broadcasting system was that to create these kinds of massive weather effects, you would need something on the order of 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
And that's what Ethan, of course, envisioned in the upper end of this type of technology, and that's what the military would say.
Now, the question becomes, is that effective radiated power on the ground, or is that the power that might be amplified once the signal reaches the ionosphere?
And that question wasn't posed to him, so we really don't know the answer.
I mean, maybe, in fact, HARP can.
But again, these are the kinds of questions that we're asking, that other scientists around the world now are asking, and the military is not really coming straight out and answering it.
They keep saying a lot of things that just, you know, they don't leave you with a very strong feeling of confidence that they really know all of the implications of this project.
And, you know, we sit here and we put together very carefully, Team Manning and I, this book.
And the reason we spent the time and effort on this, because we really felt it was important enough to do, it took us away to this project.
And, you know, we sit here and we put together very carefully, Team Manning and I, this book.
And the reason we spent the time and effort on this, because we really felt it was important enough to do.
It took us away from other work we were on, but it has just, it has been, you know, a labor that just needed to get done.
We spent a year putting it together.
There's 350 footnoted sources in that book so that anyone that reads it, first of all, it's in plain English so you can understand it.
But then anyone that has the inclination to dive into the scientific literature, it's all laid out there.
I mean, it's all right there, easier source out and get deeper into the subject.
And our feeling is we would really like to have been wrong, but unfortunately, for all of us, I think we are absolutely right in our assertions and probably haven't even covered the half of it because we know a lot of this technology is hidden from here.
Yes, and this happens to correlate to the predominant brainwave of human beings.
And what we know from the research and literature is that the ability to entrain or lock onto human brainwaves is now fairly well known and understood.
Going back to the 60-minute piece, I believe that it is suggested either there and something else I read, I've done so much on this there I forget, that emissions of those sorts of low frequencies could disorient or even make physically ill a human being.
In fact, we have an Air Force document cited in our book.
It's called Low Intensity Conflict in Modern Technology.
It has two chapters of importance.
One on EMT, which we already covered, electromagnetic pulses, and the other is on biological effects of pulsed radio frequency, which is what we're talking about here today.
And what this says in that document is it can not only make people ill, it can stop a heart.
It can create brain entrainment to create total disorientation or rapid and radical mood swings.
It can create what they call anomalous brainwave patterns.
The way they phrase it and the way they say that you're talking about those things that get into that sixth sense area of enhancement of abilities, the way they frame it.
But the fact of the matter is, the operator of pulsed radio frequency weapons, and in this book it was for tactical weapons, battlefield kind of weapons, what we have with HAARP is the biggest delivery system ever contemplated by man, except in the sense it was contemplated by J.S. Gordon McDonald, who I referenced earlier, who said if you could electronically stroke the ionosphere in just the right way with just the right amount of energy, you could create mood swings over entire geographical regions.
But what I'm getting out of here is if the goal of that is to map things underground on the earth, then standing upon the ground and absorbing more radiation, arguably, would be poor little electro magnetic human beings that are scrolling about.
In other words, it's got to go through us to get to the earth, and God knows it's got to be strong to get into the earth to do that mapping.
It's going through everything, and it's going all the way down.
And the other point to make here is one of the things John Hetcher said is that, hey, but don't worry, the amount of energy, the level of energy that hits the Earth, that returns to the Earth, is going to be about the size of, in terms of volume, about the same as what would occur naturally.
The only difference is it's going to be coherent or rhythmic.
Now, the important point here is, let's assume that he's telling the truth in this instance, that it is going to be similar, except it's going to be coherent, rhythmic ways.
What Jose Delgado discovered, and Jose Delgado was an electrophysiologist educated in Madrid, who came to the United States, worked at Yale University, was well regarded internationally as one of the specialists in the field of brain research, and he found that pulsed radio frequency, and shaped in just the right way, could in fact change animal and human behavior like throwing a light switch on and off from being lethargic to excited,
just boom, Back and forth, back and forth at energy levels one-fiftieth of that occurring in the Earth, except it was coherent or rhythmic or controlled in just the right way.
50 times more power than is necessary to create mood swings is going to be used in that one experiment.
Now, the question will come up: well, is that intentional or is it accidental?
And the point is, if you take it, the question is, well, would the government do this?
There was a book that we found in our research called Between Two Ages, written by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was national security advisor to Jimmy Carter.
The book was called Between Two Ages.
And on page 57 of that book, what he suggests is, in fact, that they can create these kinds of effects.
And later in the text, he suggests that if this government were to have that capability, they would be tempted.
In fact, they would use it.
Now, this is a national security advisor to a president suggesting they would use it.
Not Dr. Nick Beggett suggesting they would use it.
Although I agree with them, I think they will.
The fact of the matter is, if they have the capability, they're going to seek to demonstrate that capability.
And our concern is, again, is these are the kinds of things that Americans need to be involved with, that we need to be asking questions about, because this isn't just some subtle ionospheric research project.
This is a proof-of-concept project to demonstrate for the military what these weapons are capable of so they can deploy them on a larger and larger scale.
This is the same way they start every major weapons program.
All right, Doctor, I, as you know, and as I've said in the past, this new audience will not be aware.
I spoke with the HAARP program manager in Boston, John Hetcher, the man you've been referring to.
I gave him an opportunity to come on this show, not to be pinned to the wall, not for it to be a consensus interview, but for him to be able to come on and give his side of the argument.
He at first declined, and then when I pressed him, he said, Well, they're not going to allow me to come on.
Well, I think that what's happened is they figured that our activity here would be short-lived and would dissipate, and that the energy behind our objection to this science would go away.
Well, you know, the whole thing is, in terms of where I think John Hector is, my facts was going crazy too.
Sorry about that.
Where John Hector's coming from on a lot of this, when he says he would just be preaching to the choir, maybe the American taxpayer is the choir that he ought to be preaching to.
We're the people paying for this system.
He certainly, this program certainly ought to be accountable to every one of us listening to this broadcast or participating in this broadcast.
That is his job.
And Americans, public servants in American life, have forgotten who they work for.
His program managers won't let him on.
But certainly it's time for this debate to be moved into the public forum.
And it shouldn't just be happening from a few loan researchers out here.
It should be happening at all levels, and it should be involving certainly the United States government.
And I think that this is just another one of these cop-outs for a theoretically open project that they're unwilling to step forward and defend in a reasonable way, I think is just the same pattern that we've seen before.
And the only thing that surprised me along all of the lines is the fact that they really have been silent.
I mean, the only things they've done to react to us is they did hold an open house to kind of show that everything is okay, which is kind of like looking at the outside of an ICBM.
He said, and he gave me some little radio stations near the community where the HAARP project is.
And he said, well, you've been on there a couple of times trying to explain to the local community what's going on.
And how do people, you're in Alaska, Well, I'll tell you what.
Hold on, if you would just moment.
Here we are at the bottom of the hour, once again, tracking all kinds of stories this morning.
These swarming earthquakes, the low-level volcanic alerts, of all things, from Mammoth Lake, issued by USDS, and an 8 to 8.2 earthquake near Indonesia, for which tsunami alerts and warnings and watches and so forth have now been canceled.
But that is a large, large, very large geologic event in an area called Dead on the Nose Sargon Installation.
Well, I'll tell you, instead of where did we leave off, I would like to ask exactly about what we're going to cover in depth in the newsletter, and that is go all the way back, way back to before HAARP, to Nicola Tesla.
Okay, this is, you know, this was one of the mind-triggerers for me.
When I first started researching this project and pulled the first patents, which were the Eatland patents, in there, in every patent, there's a section that deals with the references, which is kind of where the inventor sort of draws their inspiration.
And in this case, there were three notations, and two of those were New York Times articles, one from around 1915, and one that memory serves me around 1940 or 41.
And the thing that struck me, first of all, reading the patent itself and looking at it, was this has got to be Tesla references.
And then what I did is, of course, pulled the microfilm on those articles, which were most revealing, because, in fact, that's exactly what those articles were about.
And they were about a specific weapon system that Tesla had designed that was intended to, at distance, melt, what he said would melt engines and provide 50 million volt potentials as described in the article.
And it was described graphically as bolts of lightning from the mythical four.
So, I mean, what it was essentially describing was sort of the great-grandfather of the HAARP system.
And this was the inspiration for Bernard Eastland to develop the HAARP radio frequency transmitter.
Now, the other thing that's part of this project that we haven't even covered tonight was the idea of power being electrical energy from one part on the planet to another, which was a long-held dream of Nikola Tesla.
In fact, what you mentioned as being one of the photographs in this upcoming newsletter, that's going to have that transmitter, which was underwritten by J.P. Morgan of the Pinancier.
But the unfortunate part was when Morgan found out that people were going to be able to essentially plug in for free, it sort of took the capitalistic incentive out of the program, and that was the end of it.
But it is the precursor.
It is the beginning of this whole wave of thinking.
What Bernard Eastland was hired to do was to find a use for the energy, the natural gas that is owned by Atlantic Ridgefield on the north slope of Alaska, which amounts to trillions of cubic feet.
And Atlantic Ridgefield was the original owner of actually a package of 12 patents, which includes three on power beaming, a number on ionospheric mirrors and over-the-horizon radar technologies, and then, of course, the ionospheric heater, the principle of focusing energy.
What John Hexer has said, I mean, probably said to you also, Art, is that, no, no, we're not using Bernard Eastland's patent.
And they are using the principles behind Bernard Eastland's patent.
Bernard pictured an antenna array much, much larger than what we have here in Alaska currently.
However, it's the basic principle of focusing that they're using, and these other patents referenced that original patent by Eastland because they require that focusing ability.
So you have Eastman referencing Tesla, and these other inventors referencing Eastland, which by default is, of course, also referencing the basic foundational work of Nikola Tesla.
Well, NBC ran it, and they actually showed the missile in flight, the laser tracking, firing, and blowing it in hand.
Now, with that as a precursor, I want to read something to you.
Rest your voice.
HARP is capable of being used as an anti-ballistic missile defense.
This is a fact from Wayne and Phoenix.
I used to work for the NSA, the National Security Agency.
I designed parts of the Star Wars defense system who president, Reagan at that time, wanted in the 80s.
Do you remember one of the missile basing plans they were discussing that was called dense pack?
We would place almost all of our land-based ICBMs in two or three bases, then try to defend those two or three bases against incoming ICDMs.
Well, guess what?
HARP is the final phase of the system that I designed.
Our Intel department had the actual circuit board design of the Russian missile guidance systems.
I designed a shaped array microwave transmitter that when programmed properly, he could inject a voltage signal on the missile's poisoning positioning sensors and make it miss the dense-packed bases.
The final design would require a massive system located close to Russia so that we could modify the trajectory while the ICBM was still in the ascent stage.
It kind of deviates a little bit from our understanding of what all is possible with this particular technology.
But given the size of the HARP transmitter, it does make it make sense.
From an Eastern perspective, there's a little more involved, but from the current state of the HARP technology in terms of size, that would make a great deal of sense.
And the way it's phrased and worded sounds certainly credible.
What we found in a number of the talk programs we've been on is people who have worked on these kinds of programs have stepped forward and supported our assertions and our work.
And, you know, we're not afraid to be challenged.
I mean, we would welcome any challenge on the way we've constructed materials.
And, you know, it's like anyone's work.
If there's something there that someone can say is, hey, this is wrong or this needs to be amplified, that would be great.
But unfortunately, the only amplification we keep getting are from people sending us material saying, see, something else that you missed.
All right, then my question, my question then, doctor, is why is the program manager, Don Hatcher, not willing, frankly, I was hoping he would come on with you.
But I didn't even get that far.
I got to the first offering, which was to let him come on by himself and to let him say exactly what he wanted to say.
And he gave me his, well, it'd be just preaching to the choir too much.
And then finally, well, my bosses won't let me speech.
Now, why, if it's what he says it is, wouldn't he be anxious, more than anxious, to come on in a free willing forum and challenge you with all of these assertions?
Okay, I remember the last time we were on, somehow there were so many thousands of people calling that number, as there are going to be right now, that people got, even though we gave the number correctly, they got the number transposed in some horrid little way that put phone calls massively into the 911 emergency system at Baron Anchorage.
I mean, he's done everything from he mentioned mood swings, raising stress levels, affecting chemical hormone balance in the brain, affecting drowsiness.
Well, he mentioned the 1994 earthquake up there in Alaska.
What he didn't mention is there was an experimentation just prior to that by the Department of Energy with deep nuclear blasts in Alaska, and that might have triggered that.
The only question I have is whether or not they can deliver the necessary power densities, and that is still unclear for this particular transmitter at this particular time.
But again, as I mentioned earlier, those amplification effects that have been noted and well noted by HARP scientists while they were working on other projects are certainly there.
So, you know, I won't discount the possibility.
I don't mean, and I did not mean to do that.
I only said that, look, we don't have that independent monitoring to make those absolute precise correlations between weather effects and this particular transmitter.
But again, I'm not going to say that it isn't possible, and I'm not going to say that that is the cause.
But what we do know is that these transmitters have these capabilities.
For the behavioral modification effects, that is a much, much lower power requirement than for weather modification.
So that becomes much more comfortable in terms of this technology.
When I talked to the program manager, he said to me, There are other ionospheric heaters in the world, as we discussed early in the program, and a lot of people would have missed it.