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Feb. 16, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Nicholas J. Begich - HAARP

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning as the case may be, across all these many time zones, stretching from Tahiti and the Hawaiian Islands all the way across my own country, east to the Caribbean, and the U.S. version of the most noticeable down into South America, we know that for sure, and north all the way to the Pole.
		This is Coast A. Live Overnight Talk Radio that will not publish you to death tonight.
		Because we're going to do something a little different.
		Have you heard about HARP?
		Do you know what HARP is?
		Well, the one we're talking about is not played by angels, nor administered by them.
		I'll tell you more about that in a moment.
		My guest is going to be Dr. Nick Begich.
		And he wrote a book actually by the same name called Angels Don't Play This Harp.
		And I'll explain in great detail why we're having Dr. Begich on again, besides the fact that so many affiliates have joined since his last appearance.
		But I've got a number of things that I've got to get out to you of some urgency.
		I got a very troubled call earlier today.
		And by the way, it has been a very, very, very, very unusual day, and I can't tell you about it.
		Someday I'll be able to.
		But it has been a most astounding day, to say the least.
		I got a very, I'm even trying to think of the right word, frantic, worried, concerned call from Bud Hopkins.
		You should know Bud Hopkins as one of the premier investigators, UFO investigators in the world, author of The Million Selling Intruders and Missing Time.
		Bud Hopkins called me from New York, and he said that he had been talked into doing a science program, a supposed science program, for public broadcasting's Nova.
		And according to Bud, Bud Hopkins and John Mack from Harvard University are about to get slammed again.
		And apparently what occurred is that the Nova people set them up.
		And what they anticipate is a hit piece in about a week on Nova.
		And Bud definitely wanted to get some airtime to tell you what it is they're going to do before they do it.
		And I have offered that to him.
		And so he will be here Monday night, Monday evening.
		Bud Hopkins.
		A very, very angry, very upset Bud Hopkins.
		Perhaps by then he will cool, but I didn't get that sense at all.
		So that's coming up, kind of on the eclectic side, probably for at least a couple hours, I would guess, on Monday.
		Then we'll dive into the coming, of course, then we'll be into Tuesday morning by that time, and we'll be into politics, I'm sure, with the New Hampshire primary.
		In the meantime, I'll not miss it that much.
		You all pretty well know what's going on.
		You know about the tight race going on in New Hampshire.
		And there's not a lot more to say about it than that right now.
		We said most of that last night.
		Now, I've got another little notice for you here.
		Whether or not you are aware of it, there have been mammoth quakes going on.
		And when I say mammoth, I mean, as in many.
		And I'm going to give you a readout of how many earthquakes have been occurring in the mammoth area.
		And this will shock you.
		These are not gigantic magnitude earthquakes.
		13 February 96.
		In 24 hours, there were 34 registered earthquakes.
		Average magnitude 1.5, high magnitude 2.3.
		On 14 February of 96, there were 20, make that 54 earthquakes, averaging 1.6 with a high magnitude of 2.5.
		Then 15 Feb, 78 earthquakes, average 1.2, high magnitude 3.5.
		16 Feb, not as many, 40, but averaging higher, 3.5 once again.
		So the person who sent me this facts, Dale in Campbell, said the frequency of quakes is less, depth roughly the same, average magnitude is greater, high magnitude is about the same.
		Then I received, and I have no way of verifying this except that I believed it to be true, and I have a second source on it.
		Dearhard, KNBC Television, Los Angeles, announced on its 4 p.m. newscast that the USGS, that's a USGS, had declared a volcanic event alert for the Mammoth Lakes area following a, quote, swarm, end quote, of earthquakes occurring over the past week.
		So I have never heard of that.
		A volcanic event alert.
		Now, when you consider that language, it's kind of interesting, a volcanic event alert.
		There's going to be a volcanic, or maybe a volcanic event at Mammoth Lakes.
		Interesting.
		So I thought you should hear about all of that.
		And again, even though I've got two sources on it, it's one by Facts and another that came in by telephone prior to the, about five minutes prior to showtime tonight.
		Now, there's one other thing that I want to get out before we go to Dr. Begich, actually, a couple more.
		This will surprise you.
		From Reuters, the World Health Organization says 15 people have died in the West African state of Gaman, possibly of the dreaded Ebola disease, after skinning a chimpanzee to cook it for a meal.
		Officials say four other Gabonese villagers who'd taken part in preparing the feast became seriously ill in a hospital in the town of Makaku.
		That's M-A-K-O-K-O-U, about 240 miles east of the capital.
		Ebola killed 244 people in Zaire, you'll recall recently.
		So, again, this is Reuters, and it may well be that Ebola is loose again in Africa.
		We don't know at this point, but certainly that report would suggest so.
	That was from Reuters, so that you know the source.
	Now, I've got just a couple of more things I want to do, and then I want to get clear sailing for Dr. Begich.
	We have a very special special for you on my book.
	I wrote a book called The Art of Talk.
	As you know, over the last, I don't know, month almost, I've not really even been advertising it for very specific reasons.
	We thought we were running out.
	And now we've got a special going on.
	I did make one error.
	It is not an 8x10, but rather a 5x7.
	And we held the size of the glossy photo to 5x7 so that we could get it shipped with the book.
	Because we were afraid that shipping it to you in some other way, either A, it would not arrive with the book, or B, it would get mangled in the shipping process.
	So, the audiobook is out.
	That's right.
	You can order my audio book.
	It's four and a half hours long.
	I did the reading.
	I did all four and a half hours of it.
	Thank you.
	And you can order my book book or my audiobook.
	And with both of those, you will receive the 5x7 signed glossy color photograph that appeared in the Los Angeles Times.
	It is only for this special edition, and it is only until I say supplies are exhausted, or until March 16th, the date of the signing.
	I expect we'll not be able to go that long.
	I rather expect we will exhaust supplies some long time before that, but we'll see.
	We'll see.
	If you would like to order my book and get audio or my regular book and get that signed 5x7 color picture, the magic number to call right now or 24 hours a day is 1-800-864-7991.
	That's 1-800-864-7991.
	And the publishers have done a fantastic job of getting this audio book together.
	Just absolutely astounding.
	It has a cover, by the way, for those of you that don't know, that matches my book cover.
	It's really beautiful, and it's a nice tape collection set, and it was all done with digital audio.
	So I think you're really going to enjoy it.
	Actually, I sound kind of like I do on the air doing the book.
	That would make sense, wouldn't it?
	So, there you've got it.
	One-time shot in this special edition.
	A good time to order the book.
	We also have a very special edition of the newsletter coming out with an article by Dr. Nick Begich.
	This is one you're not going to want to miss, and after we've been doing the program for a while, I'll be telling you more about that.
	At any rate, Dr. Begich has written about HAARP, and he'll tell you what HARP stands for.
	We did a four or five-hour program with Dr. Begich not that long ago, and during that program, a lot of people suddenly came awake as they realized what it is that HARP actually is.
	I had occasion to speak with the program manager of HAARP in Boston.
	I spoke with John Hecksherer.
	That's H-E-C-K-S-C-H-E-R.
	And I did so because we're doing an article after the very, very controversial, fascinating show we did with Dr. Beggage on the HARP Project in Alaska, which is ostensibly what's called an ionospheric heater.
	And we'll try and keep this all at ground level and explain to you what it is.
	Sounds like science fiction, but it's not.
	It's science fact.
	And since we're going to do an article for the newsletter, I called John in Boston, and I spent about 30 minutes on the phone with him, and I'm going to allow portions of that conversation to unwind in the course of the conversation with Dr. Begich.
	But I did want to tell you this right off the get-go, so you know.
	I offered Mr. Hechler the opportunity to come on the radio and be interviewed solely by me in a non-contentious opportunity for him to present his side of the story.
	Now, arguably, HARP has had some fairly seriously bad press.
	Bad press.
	A number of newspaper articles, television stories, sightings, on and on.
	And it's been some fairly bad press.
	At any rate, Mr. Hescher checked with his bosses.
	Now, I don't know who they'd be because he is the program manager of HARP.
	But the Air Force, you see, is also involved in HAARP.
	And so, I don't know whether that means the Air Force is his boss.
	He never named who his boss was.
	I thought he was the boss.
	But he came back at me and said, no, they, quotes, don't want me to go on the air.
	They won't let me go on the air.
	So that's the answer I got to that question.
	And that so provoked me that I thought I better have Dr. Begich back.
	And the rest of the talk I had with him was so provocative that I thought I better have Dr. Begich back.
	Now, who is Dr. Begich?
	He is the eldest son of the late United States Congressman from Alaska, Nick Begich Sr. and political activist Peggy Begich, known in Alaska for his own activities.
	He is a past president of the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education.
	He's been pursuing independent research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult life.
	He received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for the Complementary Medicines in November of 1994, wrote the first major story on the HARP project, published in October of 94, in Nexus, an international magazine based in Australia, where Stan is.
	His research files on the project and related technologies include more than 400 documents spanning 80 years of technological developments.
	That is Dr. Begich.
	Nick, we, I guess, could call him.
	And so what I'm going to do is bring him up right now.
	Dr. Begich.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Hello, how are you this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's good to have you back, Nick.
		I guess the way to begin this, and I'm going to let, as I said, the conversation I had with John Hecher kind of unwind here as we go.
		But for the uninitiated, we've got a lot of new radio stations.
		You are now in Anchorage?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, for the uninitiated, what is HAARP?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		HARP is an acronym for a High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project, which is a jointly managed project between the Air Force and Navy that's being sort of front-ended a little bit by the Geophysical Institute, the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
		And it's designed, it's a system, really it's a proof of concept or a prototypical weapon system that's being operated here in Alaska.
		It's in its first phase of operation.
		It's at its first power level, which has an effective radiated power of up to 1 billion watts, 1 gigawatt.
		That's what it's designed to handle.
		They've been running it at about a third of its potential, and they're getting ready to initiate some additional tests here in March.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, how long has it been running at a third?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		What I understand is it's been running since December 15th, 1994 is when they fired it up the first time.
		And it's run intermittently with what they call campaigns, which are periods of time where they run specific tests.
		The first year or so, primarily they were dealing with the whole issue of getting the circuits all to work correctly, getting the system to integrate correctly, and then they began more serious testing going into last fall and going into this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, there are a lot of computer types out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you happen to know, there is a web page on the internet, is there not, where there are photographs available of the HARP antenna arrays?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to give that out now if you have it, just so the computer people during the course of the show can go up and download and take a look at the antenna arrays that comprise the HAARP project.
		I have one of the photographs.
		It's amazing.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if they just do a quick web search using one of the basic search crawlers, they can use the acronym HARP, H-A-A-R-P, and they'll get a number of databases, including the military database, which has the photos.
		Although several of the others now, I think there's about 20 of them that pop up now that actually have photographs, a number of those of the array itself.
		So just do a quick crawl, and that'll get you sorted through that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good, because there'll be a lot of people that will do that during the course of the program, and they can get a look-see for themselves.
		It is, for those who don't have computers, sort of like this gigantic field of antennas.
		How big an array of antennas is it, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, right now it's a field that's about five, six acres of actual land that's taken up by this array.
		And it's designed modularly so they can expand it.
		And in fact, on the books, there's a contract that was let for the second phase of the project, which expands it in power levels for 0.7 times more power than the peak power levels that the current array is configured for.
		That particular aspect of the project has not been funded, but the contract was let at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it's a big physical facility.
		All right, Doctor, stand by.
		We'll get much more in this next half hour.
		Dr. Nick Begich is here.
		Angels don't play this art.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the earthquake that we believe has occurred has occurred near Indonesia, close to New Guinea.
		And if the information I have is correct, I'm almost afraid to read it because of now the known location.
		Good lord.
		This would be precisely as predicted by our friend Mr. Scallion.
		I'm going to read you what I have.
		If it's inaccurate, somebody will probably hang me.
		The Alaska Tsunami Warning Center, NOAA, NOAA, has issued the following.
		This is a tsunami advisory bullet for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and California only.
		At this time, repeat: no watch or warning is in effect for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, or California.
		An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 8.0 occurred at 2100 AST, I don't know if that's Asian Standard Time on February 16th or 2200 Pacific Standard Time, February 16th.
		So in other words, at about 10 o'clock this occurred.
		0600 UTC on February 17th.
		The earthquake was located in the general area of West Irian.
		Orion, could it be?
		Arian?
		Irian?
		I'm not sure.
		I'm told it's Indonesia, close to New Guinea.
		The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center at Eva Beach in Hawaii has issued a tsunami warning and watch for the EPA Central area.
		In other words, and it says it goes on evaluation, a damaging Pacific-wide tsunami may have been generated.
		You'll be kept informed at least hourly by further bulletins from the Alaska Tsunami Warning Center.
		So we're going to try to get all this confirmed for you.
		It goes on, a tsunami warning and watch is now in effect for Baoyao, Yap, Guam, the Chuk, C-H-U-U-K, and the Philippines.
		A tsunami watch is in effect for Japan, Taiwan, the Marshall Islands, Marcus Islands, the Wake Islands, and Russia.
		So that's very, very sobering news, if it's true.
		And I warn you at this time, though, what I have appears official, and we have made one call.
		I still want more information on it.
		But an eight-point quake, ladies and gentlemen, falling in the area near Indonesia, close to New Guinea, I'm afraid would fit squarely in with the pattern that we have been hoping not to see, particularly quakes of this magnitude.
		Dr. Begich, I would like to apologize to you.
		I'm getting all this information hitting me all at once here, and I'm trying to get it on the air.
		An eight-point earthquake, as you're well aware, I'm sure, Doctor, is a serious event.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in fact, I went through one of those in the Alaskan earthquake in 1964, so it is a real serious event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was another eight-point earthquake, Doctor, north of Japan, it seems like now about a month ago, and we were hoping not to see one of this magnitude in the southern Pacific area, where this appears now to have occurred, if it's correct.
		At any rate, back to the subject at hand.
		We discussed what this is.
		It's acres of antenna.
		Antennae, I guess, that is designed to transmit specifically a very narrow beam-width, incredibly strong signal to our ionosphere.
		Doctor, what is our ionosphere?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It can be visualized simply as an energy bubble around the planet that keeps incoming radiations of various kinds that would be damaging to us, like X-rays and cosmic rays, from entering our immediate environment, where they would make life impossible on the planet.
		So it actually can be visualized as a protective layer.
		It's approximately 50 to 620 miles above the Earth's surface.
		And it is, in fact, you might consider it a naturally occurring safety shield around the planet would probably be the easiest way to describe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say 50 to 650 miles?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, above the Earth's surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have satellites that orbit the Earth at about 250 miles, don't we?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Low-orbiting satellites?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the ionospheric layer extends well into what is space?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		More or less.
		When you look at it the way it's diagrammed, in fact, we show a diagram that comes right out of the Air Force record that's in the front end of our book.
		It kind of lays it out in a few different layers.
		And I'm turning to that as I'm talking to you.
		And it lays out the ionospheric layering.
		And what you see, essentially, is the regions are broken into three areas.
		The lower region, actually 37 to 56 miles up, is the area where we see the aurora or the northern lights as they're called.
		And then you have the E layer, which is approximately 56 to 93 miles up.
		And then the F layer, which is the high ionospheric region, which runs all the way up to 620 miles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm making you explain all this.
		I actually do understand this.
		I'm doing it for their sake.
		I've been an amateur radio operator since I've been 12 years old.
		And I depended on those various layers of the ionosphere for communications.
		In fact, I almost prayed to them at times.
		And when the sunpot cycle is in a favorable portion of that cycle, we get F-layer reflection, which being the highest layer, of course, if you go up, you can go down and come in one hop, literally, almost to the other side of the world.
		And it makes for very efficient, long-range communication when we have a favorable sunspot cycle.
		So that's what hams use it for.
		The military also uses it, I suppose, not to the degree they once did.
		They've got a lot of satellites up there now.
		But they use it.
		Shortwave broadcasters use it.
		That's how we're able to hear these signals that come from the other side of the world reliably on shortwave.
		So, Doctor, when they turn this on, what are they endeavoring to do?
		What do they want to do?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		there's a number of differing effects that they can realize with these ionospheric heaters is what the military calls these large radio frequency transmitters.
		And one of the effects, in fact, the first effects they identified as a Department of Defense effect is to modulate or cause the ionosphere to vibrate in a certain way that causes an extremely low frequency signal to come back to the Earth, which they can manipulate for the purpose of communicating with submarines, because that long wave will penetrate the Earth and the oceans to reach submarines.
		And that was the initial discussion, at least the public discussion, about what this particular device was going to be used for.
		Later, they revealed an additional use, which was earth-penetrating tomography.
		This is the idea in the vernacular.
		It would be like X-raying the Earth or looking into the Earth several kilometers deep.
		And with instruments on the ground sending this extremely low signal in, they can actually locate underground tunnels, nuclear facilities, shelters, mineral deposits of various kinds.
		And this is actually the testing mode that they're in for the 1996 year.
		Because what happened when they went to the Congress and they talked about this particular application, the Congress said, hey, wait a minute, this is a major priority of the United States Senate, United States House.
		We want you to make it a top priority, or at least a higher priority in your program, which they did.
		They made it the priority for this whole year.
		And in order to get their additional funding for their second phase, they had to do that.
		That was actually in the sort of the narrative of the Senate report on this budget item.
		The additional things that we find that they will be doing is creating ionospheric mirrors, which can be visualized as sort of an energy layer, a layer of plasma that can be manipulated like a hand mirror to bounce signals off of for over-the-horizon radar effects.
		And that particular over-the-horizon radar effect shows up in a couple of patents that are associated with this project.
		And those radar effects will allow them to look from essentially the ionospheric levels all the way down to the Earth's surface for incoming objects, including cruise missiles.
		The other thing they can do by cranking the power up a little bit on this device, they can create an energy field around those incoming objects and distinguish which ones are carrying nuclear payloads and which ones aren't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's astounding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could such detail be forthcoming?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		This is, you know, I'm not sure how the mechanism itself works.
		You know, we cite the patents and we went through them and had a radio engineer go through those and explain to us exactly what they mean.
		But it's a remarkable technology.
		They even invented for this specific application, the company that originally owned all these patents commissioned a group of Israeli scientists just outside of Tel Aviv to develop a gamma-ray detection device that actually is used for distinguishing between those incoming objects for detecting which ones are carrying a nuclear payload.
		And why that's important is in nuclear attack, they always imagined a large number, like maybe 100,000 incoming objects, and we don't have the capacity to take out every object with certainty, but if we could reduce that number to just the targets that are carrying nuclear warheads, our ability to knock those targets out would be significantly enhanced.
		This technology, in this respect, is certainly a huge advancement over previous Over-the-Horizon radar technologies.
		In fact, the site this sits on is the abandoned Over-the-Horizon radar facility called Backscatter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well familiar with Backscatter, as a matter of fact.
		Doctor, I want to interrupt you for just a moment, if I might.
		Again, this is very serious information, and I can only depend on these varying people reporting this.
		Dear Art, I just called the Tsunami Warning Center in Palmer.
		It is true, 8.0 on the Richter scale near New Guinea.
		That's from the Tsunami Warning Center in Palmer, Alaska.
		Or this from Gene at Big Lake, Alaska.
		Art, just verified your quake info.
		Your information is exactly correct for the Alaska Tsunami Warning Center, Palmer, Alaska.
		So everybody within the sound of my voice, be warned.
		This apparently is a real earthquake, and the tsunami alerts and warnings being issued are exactly correct.
		So there has been a major earthquake near New Guinea.
		Doctor, again, thank you for your patience, but not a problem.
		Confirming that, and believe it or not, we're heard way out there, so we may do somebody some good.
		Great.
		I spoke, I heard you a little earlier, right before the bottom of the hour, you used the word weapon.
		Now, when I had my conversation with John the other day, John Hetcher, the HAARP program manager, he calls himself, or his title I guess he is.
		He absolutely bristled when I used the same word, a weapon.
		It is not a weapon, he said.
		This is simple research being done for the Air Force to determine ionospheric characteristics for furthering better satellite communications and ground communications and so forth.
		But bristled, absolutely bristled, when I use that word weapon.
		How would you substantiate the use of that word, or how would you justify the use of that word?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think a careful review of the patent materials themselves leave no other conclusion, quite frankly.
		And when you look at it from his perspective, okay, and you look at the way he structures his written materials, and we've got a pretty good volume of the written materials on the project, and What they essentially do is they call this a proof-of-concept project, where they're really just trying to prove certain things are true and work.
		But that is the precursor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that what the atomic bomb was?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I mean, you know, you can split some fine hairs here, and he does a really masterful job of it.
		You know, I grew up in a political family, and I thought politicians had the franchise on wordsmithing, but I really found in researching this project, the military's got one up on political folks.
		They really want to keep it in that vein, at least perceived by the public as, oh, don't worry, we're just doing simple research.
		But the military doesn't do simple research in the sense of not for just pure science purposes.
		They're researching for the basic application of this technology to very specific weapon systems.
		You know, when you talk about over-the-horizon radar and distinguishing between objects and communicating, you know, those are all integrated parts of this system.
		When you look at it in terms of higher power levels, using that same over-the-horizon concept, and you get it up above the power level for just identifying incoming objects in terms of payload, you can actually increase the energy level so you can burn out electronic circuits.
		And the energy levels necessary to do that are documented in a record that we found, which was an international document by the International Red Cross that was looking at the implications of new weapons technologies and international law.
		And it was written in June of 94.
		It's cited in our book.
		It lays out the frequency ranges for biological effects, for bit errors in computers, causing computers to malfunction, and burning electronic circuits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, an EMP is an electromagnetic pulse.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That is what is described in some of these patents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but what I was going to say is previously to achieve that, I believe the theory, or in fact it may have been proven, is that you detonate a nuclear weapon at high altitude, and the pulse that emanates from it would destroy computers, as you have described.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're saying HAARP can do that without a nuclear detonation.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And it's spoken to right in the patents.
		The beauty of it from a military perspective is you don't have the radioactive fallout.
		But from a practical standpoint, and people remember these reports numbers of years ago where they were saying one thermonuclear blast above the United States just would knock out all our communications and then buy an electronic equipment and making the nuclear war just sort of end on us.
		And this technology advances that whole idea much, much further.
		Now, granted, this particular HARP transmitter at its current stage couldn't do it over a very, very large area like was envisioned in those early reports of thermonuclear detonation.
		But where they're headed with this technology, what our information shows, and it's not just ours, we just collected it.
		It's their record.
		It's their statement.
		And it shows that the power levels that they desire this system to go up to at some juncture is 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100 billion watts.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And that shows up in a technical memorandum 195, which John Heckscher denies knowing anything about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here I want to stop you again.
		Back to my conversation with John.
		We talked about power levels, and John said, why, what we're doing is no more power than the voice of America.
		You don't buy that one, huh?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm afraid not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I lived on the island of Okinawa, Doctor, and I remember a million-watt transmitter, a million-watt transmitter, which was one of the biggest I knew about, operating on the island of Okinawa.
		And that would bother people and fences, electrify fences and turn on lights in villages nearby and so forth and so on, aimed toward Korea, you know, propagandizing Korea.
		And that was a million watts.
		And you did say, I did hear you write, that was a 100 billion with a B watts?
unidentified		Yes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And where we drew this from is from this technical memorandum 195.
		And the interesting part about this particular document is it's, first of all, it's 613 pages, which is, you know, pretty darn long memorandum by anybody's standards, but maybe not for bureaucracy, but it's a long memorandum.
		But what it actually is, is it's the overheads, view graphs, and notes that were compiled from a conference that was laying out the specifications for the HARP program.
		And invited guests of the military included like 80 different organizations.
		And what they did in this is they put together the perimeters.
		And then on the front end of this document, which incidentally was edited by a major in the Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, hold that is a good hold point anyway.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Relax for a few minutes.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Dr. Nick Begich is my guest.
		Angels do not wave this heart.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here again, I am.
		With continuing apologies to Dr. Begich for stealing his time.
		Fortunately, with radio, we've got a lot of time.
		There's some things I'm going to have to catch you up on quickly here.
		Somebody sent me a fax that hits the mark.
		Art, hang in there, buddy.
		You're in the right place at the right time for the right reason.
		It gets scary as hell at times, but I'm also sure you've been through scary times before.
		I read your book.
		Talk to you soon.
		Larry in Medford.
		Well, Larry's right, and I'm just going to read you sort of a culmination of what I've got here, alright?
		We began the program this morning confirming a volcano hazard for the Mammoth Lake area in California.
		And I'll read you what I've got as confirmation now.
		Dear Art, on Fox TV channel, on the Fox TV network, 10 o'clock news, transcribed from the tape we recorded, USGS says the recent earth movement and other signs of unrest around Mammoth Lake prompted them to issue, get this, a low-level, what they call a low-level volcano hazards alert.
		Officials emphasize there's no indication of an imminent eruption.
		We called USGS hotline in Menlo Park in the past 24-hour period ending at 8 a.m.
		Friday, 2016, 75 earthquakes in the northern and central California area, 14 of a magnitude equal or larger than two in the Mammoth Lake area, four magnitude three or larger, largest 3.7.
		So thank you for that.
		Then comes this.
		Art information.
		I guess I better read the official version first.
		This is very serious stuff.
		In the area of Indonesia, which is a very, frankly, uncomfortable area to have this happen, there has been near New Guinea a magnitude 8 or greater earthquake in the last couple of hours, magnitude 8 or greater.
		And the following is a tsunami advisory bulletin for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and California only.
		At this time, no, repeat, no watch or warning is in effect for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, or California.
		This is only an advisory.
		An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 8.0 occurred at, and I'll simplify it by telling you that it was about 10 o'clock Pacific time tonight.
		It occurred, once again, near New Guinea.
		And then this, this bulletin is for all areas of the Pacific basin, except California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and Alaska.
		A tsunami warning and watch are now in effect for the Yap area, Guam, Chuuk, I'm probably slaughtering that, the Philippines.
		A tsunami watch is in effect for Japan, Taiwan, the Marshall Islands, Marcus Islands, Wake Island, and Russia.
		And frankly, when I got this, as you might imagine, I was sitting on it, afraid to read it, but now I've got tons of confirming faxes.
		This one, for example, get this.
		Art, information received from a UMIB urgent marine information bulletin out of Kodiak, Alaska.
		U.S. Coast Guard is now putting the magnitude at 8.2 and the coordinates at .5, that's 0.5 north and 137 degrees east.
		If you get any information on depth, would you please relay it?
		Could be very useful in figuring if a tsunami watch or warning might be issued for the west coast of the U.S. Thanks for always keeping us up to the second with breaking news.
		Please don't use my name as the information I'm giving you was received from official sources, so I will not.
		From Aaron in Carson City, great show art, off the subject, Mammoth Lakes has had several earthquake swarms of large enough magnitude, they have little ones almost constantly, that USGS today issued a low-level volcano warning for the area.
		They've always said the next new volcano on this continent will be in the Mammoth area.
		Maybe soon.
		So that catches you up with what I know to the hour.
		Obviously, the news services have not caught up with it yet, but I believe based on the volume of faxes and confirming information that this gigantic earthquake has occurred, and there are tsunami watches and depending on where you are, concerns.
		So we're going to continue monitoring this for reasons that those of you who listen to the show are well aware of.
		And I'll try to keep you up to date as I get information.
		Dr. Begich is my guest.
		You wouldn't know it by the amount of talking I'm doing.
		I'm sorry, this is all breaking news.
		And we're talking about HAARP as well.
		And there may be, we will ask with regard to the weather, certainly, and possibly areas like this.
		We'll ask the doctor in a moment about that.
		Dr. Begich, are you still there?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You bet, I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was afraid you might have fallen asleep during all that.
		Doctor, just let me get your reaction to this, if I might.
		This breaking news of all these earthquakes, volcanic, possible volcano warnings of all things in the mammoth area.
		There is a great deal of geologic activity going on in the Earth right now.
		Now, I know this is not your field of expertise, but maybe you'd wish to comment on it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would, actually.
		You know, this has come up periodically as we've spoken about the HAARP project.
		In fact, this whole issue was coming up earlier today in another program I was on.
		And the issue of a destabilized Earth, if you will, that all of us, anyone who's been following the news for any length of time, recognizes that, in fact, the Earth has demonstrated releases of energy in a number of ways most recently.
		If you look historically in the last decade, The increase in frequency, magnitude, and depth of earthquake activity is there, well documented.
		No one can argue with that.
		If you look at anomalous weather patterns in terms of intensity, unusual patterns of weather, and not just in the United States, but globally around the world.
		And then if you look at one other factor, the heights of the North Sea, which have been measured for over 30 years, each of these things we document actually in our book because it's a demonstration that the Earth is undergoing some major changes of, because this is the way the Earth generates an energy release.
		And part of our concern with the HARP project is we're about to dump unprecedented levels of energy into a system that is already demonstrating that it's disturbed, perturbed, however you want to call it.
		And our concern is that maybe this is that last straw on this camel's back that's going to put us into a very, very chaotic situation.
		In fact, the individual that wrote the foreword to our book, Dr. Patrick Flanagan, that was his strongest statement in terms of this ionospheric research, is that we may in fact generate a chaotic event in the ionosphere that might chain react through this system we call the Earth.
		So, you know, I think those are all legitimate concerns.
		The other consideration that I can point to is actually how the magnetic poles of the planet have shifted in recent times.
		In fact, in geologic time, they've shifted 80,000 years ago they moved from a point approximately in the Yukon territories of northwestern Canada to a point off the coast of Norway.
		And then 50,000 years ago they shifted from there to the point in Hudson Bay, which is, when you think about the last ice age, that would have been sort of the center of the ice field.
		And then 15,000 years ago, which is the beginning of the end of that ice age, it shifted to its current position.
		That's pretty young.
		All of those things are young in geologic time.
		And they indicate that the Earth goes through these sort of destabilizing periods.
		And I believe that we're entering, we're in the middle of one of those destabilizing periods now.
		All evidence points to that.
		Here we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a whopper, Doctor, because my understanding, and it's a very loose understanding, of the number of eight-point or greater events that one can expect in any average year is not more than one or two.
		It's a very, very low number.
		And there's been a series of quakes going on in the Pacific that's unbelievable.
		And now, isn't that tied, Doctor, possibly to volcanic activity, the predictions of volcanic activity and all this swarming of earthquakes that's going on in the Mammoth area?
		Couldn't all that be tied geologically in some way together?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Sure, because of the plate tectonics and the whole idea of plate movement can create one thing happening on one end of the planet sort of triggers a chain of events on the other.
		In fact, if you look at the way these things happen, generally you see it happen in one place, releases energy, and then that releases strains and other energies in other parts of the same plate or joining plates.
		And you see this sort of rim around the Pacific that just sort of goes through these sporadic jolts all the way around.
		So it makes perfect sense in terms of plate tectonics.
		And this is, you know, again, it's energy being released.
		And here we are in Alaska about to pump in unprecedented amounts of energy into an already perturbed or disturbed system.
		And that's certainly a concern of ours.
		Another interesting point that came out in the HAARP research is that during the Great Alaskan earthquake of 1964, they actually recorded an ionospheric disturbance created by that earth movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And this is really interesting.
		This came up in the group that monitors spectrum assignments for the Department of Commerce that was dealing with the HAARP issue specific mentions that in one of their letters.
		And, you know, and it's kind of interesting because I raised the question to a scientist and part of our researchers says, you know, wouldn't it make sense that if you, you know, so above, so below, and in this case, the reverse?
		And he said, no, he didn't think that that would be the case.
		However, the whole idea of pumping in this amount of energy, who knows what's going to happen?
		We've never done it before.
		So he didn't say absolutely not.
		He just said, remains to be seen, but we don't know what's going to happen when you start pushing this kind of energy into this system.
		And we really don't know that much.
		We think we do, but every few years they discover a little bit more.
		I mean, more recently, in terms of atmospheric research, we have the blue sprites, bright red sprites that they discover that are sort of at cloud tops during lightning storms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And this is a new phenomenon we didn't even know existed.
		In fact, it was discovered by the same Geophysical Institute that's dealing with this heart project right now.
		So, you know, we really don't understand the full mechanism of the planet.
		And to think we do and to think we can get away with pumping in energy, we might get lucky, but then again, we might not.
		And our whole position on this project is this isn't something we can toy with.
		This is not a good time to be toying with a system that's already demonstrating huge, unprecedented releases of energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In addition to the statement that the HAARP program manager made to me about why this is nothing more than a certain radio transmitter puts out, I'm pretty well aware of these acres of antennas that will transmit the HAARP energy are designed to produce a very narrow beam width.
		In other words, instead of energy being spread out over the ionosphere as a ham radio operator might send it, these antennas are designed to make a very narrow beam width that virtually burning a hole through or burning a hole into Or heating a very specific part of the ionosphere.
		You might compare it, for example, to going out in the sun during a warm day and just feeling the warmth of the sun on your skin.
		But if you take a magnifying glass and you put a little dot on your skin, hold it back from your skin, let the sun put a little dot there, you'll burn a hole right down through your hand if you leave it there long enough, correct?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That is absolutely the analogy.
		And this is what distinguishes this ionospheric heater from any other operating in the world.
		And what John Heckscher will tell you is, hey, there's other ionospheric heaters in the world with the same effective radiated power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did tell me that.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And let me tell you the difference, okay?
		The big difference is they're measuring the effective radiated power at the point of transmission.
		It's irrelevant.
		What's relevant is the amount of energy you deliver at the ionosphere, the point you're trying to affect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And all of these other transmitters around the world are designed where they spread the energy out so that the higher it goes, the less concentrated it is.
		This one is designed just the opposite.
		In fact, that's what allowed the original patent to be granted at the U.S. Patent Office.
		When you pull the original patent file, which is about an inch thick, on the lead patent on this project, that is what allowed Bernard Eastland to gain this patent.
		He designed a way to create a cyclotron resonance and a focusing power unprecedented, unknown before.
		And that's what makes HARP so different.
		So measuring its effective radiated power on the ground is only one of the measures, but it is not the most important measure of power.
		The important measure is how much do you deliver and in what way do you deliver it?
		And that's the magnifying glass analogy is a perfect analogy for describing why this is so much different.
		When you take it a little bit further, when we were talking earlier about the power levels and this particular memorandum that Heckscher denies knowing anything about, at least he denied it on national television in Canada a few weeks ago.
		This memorandum, the reason they get away with some of this, they consider this an open project, nothing classified.
		But this particular document was structured in such a way that when you read the introduction, it says, first of all, that it's not a published document, that it is not available for the public.
		And it also says that it only represents private communications between the parties.
		And they call it this technical memorandum 195.
		And it's 613 pages long, and it's published.
		I mean, we've got a copy.
		We made it available to other media outlets.
		We made it available to Canadian broadcasting.
		John Heckscher was on the attendance roster.
		He's supposed to be the program manager and supposed to know all this stuff.
		And on Canadian television, he says flatly, I don't know anything about that memorandum.
		And that's the memorandum that says the desired level the military wants to go is 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
		And in that same broadcast, John Heckscher says that that is exactly how much power you would need to have massive impacts on weather patterns on this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, at what frequency range will HARP operate?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You're asking me a question I'm not going to be able to readily answer.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I don't have that in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not telling us, eh?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's in the documents.
		There's two ways to look at that question.
		And this is sort of the steps outside of my field, and I relied heavily on people with that expertise.
		But the way the contract document reads that built the project, it has a very wide band of capability.
		But the actual assigned frequencies, what they're supposedly authorized to work within, are much, much narrower than what the facility is capable of doing.
		So there's two sets of sort of perimeters, and it's essentially pretty wide.
		I mean, from radio frequency all the way up into, I believe, up into the microwave range, so a broad range in terms of...
		Right.
		And they have a number of, as I said, they have a number of effects that are possible based upon the way they shape it.
		And that's the other thing, is the shaping capability of the wave is very broad.
		The perimeters in the contract document in terms of frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to get too technical.
		We have a slight delay, so we have to be careful here, Doc.
		I don't want to get too technical, but I assume they can configure the antenna array to deliver, depending on how they feed it, these differing patterns.
		Is that correct?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And they have this huge spread of capability.
		And these are the things that we're concerned with because when we matched, we had that radio engineer match off that International Red Cross document I referenced earlier showing biological effects, computer bid error effects, and melting circuitry effects as an example.
		The HARP's capability has all of those capabilities.
		Now, it may not be in its specific authorized range at this particular time, but that's just for this particular set of tests.
		All of those things are subject to revision.
		The tool can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, hold it right there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We're going to break here.
		I'm getting lots of confirmation of the quake, ladies and gentlemen.
		Probably got 20, 30 faxes in on it so far.
		It is real.
		We'll be back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		We're getting all kinds of confirming information regarding a very, very large earthquake near Indonesia, ranging somewhere between 8 and 8.2 on the open-ended Richter scale.
		That's a very large earthquake, and they're concerned about tsunamis, tidal waves, that sort of thing, occurring in an area that Mr. Scallion, I'm sorry to say, predicted one of this magnitude would occur.
		We're also getting information this morning, if you want something to be concerned about, as if you need it after that, that there has been by USGS issued today what's called a low-level volcano warning for the Mammoth Lakes area because there have been literally, over the last couple of weeks, hundreds of swarming earthquakes.
		And many of you may recall that there were literally hundreds of swarming earthquakes off the Japanese coast prior to the 8-point earthquake they had, fortunately, in a rather uninhabited area north of Japan in the Kuroyo Islands.
		So we're processing this data as fast as we can, everybody.
		In the meantime, we're talking about HAARP, which in a kind of an interesting way relates.
		I won't even bother to tell you now, I'm just getting confirmation after confirmation of this from all kinds of people and all kinds of sources.
		So there is now no question about this large earthquake.
		And if it sounds a little disconnected, it's because we are processing this morning a very great deal of incoming information.
		I received the information of the earthquake about five minutes prior to airtime.
		And I see we're going to have to back up a little.
		Doctor, just because I got a fax that says the following, art about angels don't play this harp.
		So what's the point?
		I still don't quite know what harp is other than the acronym or that it is an acronym.
		Is it bigger than a bread box?
		So obviously we picked up listeners in the last 20 or 30 minutes, and we're going to have to backtrack just enough to give us a brief sketch of what HARP actually is.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in terms of a project, it's a jointly managed project between the Air Force and Navy operating in Alaska.
		It's a very, very large radio frequency transmitter.
		The current configuration of antennas has the upward capability of 1 billion watts of effective radiated power at this time.
		And then it has the next phase, second phase will take it up to 4.7 billion watts, that's a billion with a B in the next phase.
		And in the military documents that we have, indicates a desired level of 100 billion watts in effective radiated power.
		And what all that will do is create a multi-faceted, multi-use weapon system that has both the capability of over-the-horizon radar for detecting objects, discriminating between objects.
		It has a communication capability.
		On the upper power levels, it has the ability to wipe out communications, land, sea, air base communications, and yet still carry the communications of the operator or the military in this case.
		We also explore in our book, Angels Don't Play This Harp, the potential uses in terms of weather modification and in terms of affecting human physiology, including the human mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, in view of this morning's news, you made an very interesting statement when we were talking about the earthquakes.
		You said that there has been detected, and I'd like you to go over this again, it's fascinating, in the ionosphere a reaction to an earthquake.
		I mean, that is absolutely incredible.
		I'd never heard that before.
		And do you know any details about what they detected, how they detected it, what they read?
		Because it ties in earth movement, tectonic movement, or disturbance with an obvious reaction or sympathetic reaction.
		I don't know what it would be in the ionosphere.
		It's the first time I've ever heard anybody say what you're saying.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, it shows up in a government document, and it was like about three lines in the middle of a very lengthy document.
		And what it essentially said is that during the Great Alaskan quake of 1964, that the government detected an ionospheric disturbance that corresponded to the quake.
		In other words, the quake happened and then this ionospheric disturbance occurred that was related to the earthquake.
		Now, how that relates, it didn't go into any great explanation, but what it indicates certainly is the connection of this entire system we call Earth.
		And from our perspective, it was a red flag.
		In fact, when I first read it, I had never seen anything like it either.
		And I went, now wait a minute, so above, so below, you know, as the saying goes.
		And I inquired about this to some of our fellow researchers and specialists.
		And what they said is they couldn't discount it entirely.
		It was as startling to them as it was to us.
		But there was just nothing in the literature that would say, hey, this can occur.
		Now, well, we didn't mention this when we first covered it, but when we go back to a specific document that we uncovered in the course of our research, and it was a book called Unless Peace Comes, and within that book was a chapter written by Gordon J.F. McDonald, who was a geophysicist at UCLA specializing in problems of warfare.
		And he was also a science advisor to Lyndon Vain Johnson.
		And the chapter he wrote for that book was called How to Wreck Your Environment.
		Kind of a catchy name, I guess, but it was before the environmental movement.
		It was written in 1969.
		And he speaks very clearly and concisely about the use of small inputs to create large outputs.
		And what he describes in that particular chapter is triggering events that might cause earth movement, tidal waves, an Antarctic Meltdown in terms of as a weapon system.
		And he also discusses the ability to electronically stroke the ionosphere in a certain and specific way that would cause behavior modification over a very large geographic area.
		That's 1969 by a scientist who had world-renowned credibility and certainly credibility with the President of the United States at the time, Lyndon Johnson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the possible equivalent of sneaking up behind a sleeping tiger and poking it with a stick?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the same idea.
		You know, it's a non-linear event.
		And let me describe a non-linear event because it's one of the things that the military is predicting in the course of their writings about HAARP.
		And a way to visualize it, a scientist named Al Zelensky sent us this analogy recently.
		And what he said is, you know, stack or line up dominoes from where you're sitting all the way to Paris.
		And you hit the first one with a 10 gram weight.
		And the energy released as it travels along to Paris is much greater than 10 grams.
		But then he said, now picture that same set of dominoes with each domino, say, increasing a half a percent in size with each successive domino.
		So that by the time you hit Paris, you've got one about the size of the Eiffel Tower crushing it.
		You still hit the first one with the 10 gram weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at the end, you crush the Eiffel.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so what you're doing is you're utilizing, in this sense, gravitational energy.
		You're picking it up along the way, so to speak.
		But it's non-linear.
		It doesn't, you know, on the front end make a lot of sense.
		I mean, you think, well, 10 grams, how do you get an Eiffel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, when you draw it out that way, it makes a lot of sense.
		I can grasp that middle picture.
		Each domino a little larger.
		The final domino coming down on top of the Eiffel and down she goes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Now picture radio frequency energy being pulsed into the ionosphere, which is already a very highly energized area.
		Also picture, and in Alaska they've done this.
		The Geophysical Institute has fired over the last decade or so dozens and dozens, as many as a couple hundred barium-laden rockets to map the magnetic lines of force, the naturally occurring magnetic lines that wrap around the planet.
		So now picture sending pulsed radio frequency in the energy ranges that we've discussed into those magnetic lines of force.
		And let's suppose that they resonate with those lines of force to create an increasing energy yield.
		In fact, one of the scientists associated with the HART project, who's out of UCLA, that was identified by John Heckscher in one of his memorandums, actually discovered a nonlinear, sort of inexplicable event that occurs in the ionosphere at the coupling point, at the very edge of the ionosphere where it catches the magnetosphere, which is another highly energized layer or wrapping around the planet.
		What they found is energy in the VLF range, very low frequency range, when it hits that point, amplifies by as much as 1,000 times and creates a virtual electron particle rain over the area below.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The electronic domino.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		And that was discovered using just standard VLF kind of transmitters.
		Nothing on the power levels comparable to HARP.
		Now picture HAARP with a billion watts at its current level, beamed up to that coupling point, and then whatever energy finally arrives there being magnified 1,000 times.
		And if lower levels created electron particle rain, what the heck are we going to create with a billion watts of effective radiated power being focused in that way?
		We really don't know.
		What Hexcher said in the sighting segment that ran recently is, oh yeah, this thing will make some holes in the ionosphere, but don't worry, they'll sort of refill in in a few minutes.
		Well, that may or may not be the case.
		The whole nature of experimentation is to find out the answers to questions you're posing, and that is one of those questions they're posing.
		You know, this is very, very scary science in the sense that we need the ionosphere.
		It's not something to toy with.
		More than that, some of the effects that are capable and that are possible with pulsed radio frequency is pretty profound.
		As recently as this last Sunday, there was a segment on 60 Minutes that amplified some of the things we said in our text.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was just about to bring that up.
		They did a segment on non-lethal weapons research, and apparently it's the hottest, newest thing.
		They call it non-lethal, and perhaps it's planned that way, but the way you make it sound, it could be lethal for everybody.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		In fact, we talk about this subject at length.
		Our book came out in September.
		Our research was done well into last year.
		And when we looked at non-lethal technologies, what HAARP represents is probably the biggest delivery system for this kind of non-lethal technology.
		And if people remember reading press reports on non-lethals, they talk about sticky foam and things that dissolve rubber tires and nets and this kind of thing.
		And at the very end, they usually mention, oh, yes, send radio frequency.
		And they kind of mumble microwave weapons at them.
		And they move on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They talk about EMP research to stop automobiles.
		They talk about genetic soldiers and all kinds of things that they're beginning to get their fingers into.
		And I just have serious worries, Doctor.
		For example, in a lot of medical experiments recently, we've been doing some genetic research of a baboon immune system.
		They tried to transplant that into a human being.
		They've got a rabbit virus going down in Australia, modeled after Ebola for rabbits, if you will, that now apparently has jumped species down there.
		We are in science right now, whether it's HAARP or genetic research or any other level, it seems to me, of science, out on the very edge of absolutely not knowing what we're doing.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, and that is our concern.
		I mean, the military is not in the business of promoting human health.
		They're in the business of defending the country.
		And we believe very strongly that our country needs, and other countries of the world do need, a strong defense system.
		But we need to be responsible with what we're developing there.
		And we need to be open about some of that development.
		We don't have to tell people how to build some of these things, but we certainly have a right to debate the concepts behind these weapon systems in terms of their ethics, their morality, and their risk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is HAARP, I'll just put it straight to you, is HAARP, in your opinion, an irresponsible project?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		At this point, I believe it is.
		It's irresponsible on a couple of levels.
		The first level is the fact that they're being deliberately misleading and the explanation of this science.
		And the second place where I think it's a project that needs to be stopped, or at least a moratorium placed on it, until we can have an open review by independent scientists.
		And I'm not talking about scientists necessarily in university settings, because many of those universities derive a great deal of their money from the military establishment.
		I'm talking about truly independent scientists.
		This needs an international look.
		You know, the ionosphere belongs to everyone on the planet.
		If one country, whether it be the United States, the former Soviet Union, or a country in Europe, starts to play with the ionosphere, I think everyone in the planet has a right to be involved in the decision-making process leading up to that because it is too, too serious of a matter to just tamper with willy-nilly on the basis of creating new defense systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Then here I go again.
		The scientists with regard to genetic research or perhaps HARP or so many other areas seem to be telling us about these things after they've done them.
		And it's sort of like, oh, by the way, we have done the following.
		Yes, there may be repercussions when they did the baboon transplant.
		They said then there could be repercussions.
		We think it very unlikely or not very likely, but a disease could be passed from animal to human.
		And I believe that is how they think AIDS got started in the first place.
		Right.
		So it's sort of an, oh, by the way, and it's an attitude of science, it seems to me, that is very dangerous because they assume, seemingly, they can do what they want and sort of tell the world about it afterwards.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And this is wrong-headed in a sense, particularly when we're dealing with a governmental organization like the military.
		They're not free spirits out there doing whatever they want.
		They're supposed to be reflecting values and belief systems that are derived from the population, that they're here to protect.
		And to create weapon systems without involvement of taxpayers and citizens of this country in terms of where we're headed is really, it is wrong-headed.
		In fact, in our book, we point out a whole area of revolutions in military affairs, which is what these new technologies represent to the military.
		And we derived a good deal of information from a document put together by the Strategic Studies Institute of the United States Army.
		And what they actually say in this document is they talk about the idea that, you know, we have all these new weapons technologies, but a number of these technologies will really kind of run counter, in fact very counter, to American values.
		And so what they propose are mechanisms by which those values could be altered and changed by deliberate planning on the part of the military.
		And where I really have strong disagreement is no branch of government, the Department of Agriculture or the Department of the Army, have a right or an obligation or even should be in the business of trying to shape American values.
		They're in the business of carrying out policy that American values has already established.
		And any time they get into that area, you start to question the kinds of things they pointed to in that document, which was called The Revolution of Military Affairs and Conflict Short of War.
		The things they point to are radio frequency and microwave weapon systems that might be used to disable aircraft, causing them to crash.
		And the parts of the values that they point to as, well, you know, if you make a plane crash because you suspect something, it's kind of forgetting about the trial, the judges, the juries, and due process, which is fundamental to American justice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had heard, Doctor, that there was a project on the books, and in fact, they may have experimented with it.
		I know damn well the Russians did, that was designed to use a certain sort of laser that would render pilots blind.
		And obviously, if a pilot goes blind, the plane eventually is going to crash.
		Right.
		And that it was decided that somehow it was immoral to do such a thing and suspended.
		Now, we're talking about things that go far beyond that in terms of morality or lack of it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, this is, you know, going a little further, that same document talks about something that comes up periodically in a number of conversations, but people have trouble pointing to the government document that says, hey, they might do this to human beings, is the idea of micro-circuit implants for use in locating individuals anywhere on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll tell you what.
		We're at a break point, so we'll touch on that.
		I want to ask you about the effects of HAARP with regard to the weather, and there certainly has been plenty of that lately, and the biological effects that it may have on human beings if it were targeted on human beings.
		So relax for a few moments, and we'll get back to you.
		8-plus earthquake near Indonesia.
		Between 8 and 8.2, we're waiting final word at 33 kilometers depth.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		My guest is Dr. Nick Begin.
		He's the author of Angels, Don't Play This Heart.
		He refers to the Harp Project in Alaska, a project designed to throw immense amounts of concentrated energy into the ionosphere for various stated reasons, depending on who you listen to.
		Slightly eclipsing this, or perhaps going along with it, is some of the news, breaking news of the morning, and I am astounded, absolutely astounded, that CNN and other broadcast organizations have not been running this.
		But there are two interesting things going on this morning.
		One is that USGS says the recent earth movement and so many earthquakes around the Mammoth Lake area have actually now prompted USGS to issue what's called a low-level volcano hazard alert.
		In other words, if I read this correctly, and I'm sure I do, they are saying there is some possibility that there may be a volcano born shortly, they think, in the Mammoth Lakes area.
		And I've never heard of such thing issued before.
		Maybe you have.
		I haven't, in an area where there has not been a volcano previously, for what that's worth.
		And then more serious, even more serious news, that near Indonesia, there has just been recorded somewhere between an 8 and an 8.2 magnitude on the open-ended Richter scale earthquake.
		That's a very, very serious earthquake.
		It is, for those of you who follow it, in the area that Mr. Scallion said such a quake of that particular magnitude would occur.
		Worrisome.
		We're talking with Dr. Begich also about HARP and its resonant effect.
		A remarkable piece of information that he had for us is that during the large Alaskan earthquake, the government noticed an ionospheric disturbance concurrent with the Alaskan earthquake, tying the ionosphere and events on Earth, up above, down below, as he said, together.
		So all of this does tie together.
		Now, the tsunami alerts and warnings that were issued for the Pacific, including the Philippines and many other areas, have just been canceled.
		This quake occurred at a depth of 33 kilometers, if you're tracking that sort of thing.
		And that's all the news I have.
		We will continue to keep you updated as the morning goes on.
		If you're hearing this as a repeat on Monday morning, what you're hearing now occurred on Friday night, Saturday morning as we interviewed Dr. Begich.
		I've got to think ahead because this is going to be rebroadcast.
		So here we are in the middle of a very great deal of breaking news this morning.
		And now, as you all know, or maybe you don't, if you're just joining us at this hour, some stations do, Dr. Begich has written a book about this project, this Project HARP, that is operating presently, has been operating at one of its lower levels for some time.
		And that brings to mind the first question that I want to ask Dr. Begich.
		And by the way, we will get phones.
		Be patient.
		Doctor, the northeast part of the country, and let us not even confine our comments to that.
		Alaska, I understand it, it's had a very strange weather season here on the west coast.
		We've had flooding that is unparalleled in the northwest for many, many years.
		They are setting records for snow in the northeast that have not been seen for 75 years.
		The south has frozen.
		Crops have been damaged.
		The weather, in a nutshell, doctor, has never been weirder.
		Now, I'm not saying it's harp, but I'm asking, could it be?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		The answer to that is to some degree it could be.
		Now, here's the problem that we get into whenever this subject is raised, and it is raised quite often, is what we don't know and what is not being monitored independent of the United States military is the actual firing sequence and timing so that it can be closely correlated against anomalous weather patterns, which is extremely important.
		In fact, it's one of the things that we've been asking and a number of people that have been supporting our work have been asking our state government to do is to monitor this project independent of the federal government so that we can really see how those correlations take place.
		Now, could HARP influence weather across the country?
		At this power level, I don't think so.
		However, as we said earlier, the ability to magnify that power or increase or amplify that power once it reaches these magnetic lines of force and once it reaches even more specifically the region in the area of the upper ionosphere and lower magnetosphere, it may in fact be able to create weather modification.
		Now what John Heckscher said in a recent interview on Canadian broadcasting system was that to create these kinds of massive weather effects you would need something on the order of 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
		And that's what Easton, of course, envisioned in the upper end of this type of technology.
		And that's what the military is saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, using exactly that much power, 100 billion watts.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what he said.
		Now the question becomes, is that effective radiated power on the ground or is that the power that might be amplified once the signal reaches the ionosphere?
		And that question wasn't posed to him, so we really don't know the answer.
		I mean, maybe, in fact, HARP can.
		But again, these are the kinds of questions that we're asking, that other scientists around the world now are asking, and the military is not really coming straight out and answering.
		They keep saying a lot of things that just, you know, they don't leave you with a very strong feeling of confidence that they really know all of the implications of this project.
		And we sit here and we put together very carefully, Gene Manning and I, this book.
		And the reason we spent the time and effort on this because we really felt it was important enough to do.
		It took us away from other work we were on, but it has been a labor that just needed to get done.
		We spent a year putting it together.
		There's 350 footnoted sources in that book so that anyone that reads, first of all, it's in plain English so you can understand it, but then anyone that has the inclination to dive into the scientific literature, it's all laid out there.
		I mean, it's all right there, easy to source out and get deeper into the subject.
		And our feeling is we would have really liked to have been wrong, but unfortunately, for all of us, I think we are absolutely right in our assertions and probably haven't even covered the half of it because we know a lot of this technology is hidden from view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me cover or ask one question about the biological effects.
		We, human beings, are electro magnetic creatures.
		I mean, we have small electrical impulses that literally drive everything that we do.
		From our brain to the movement of our hands and our feet and every little twitch and muscle and everything's connected and it's all electrical.
		So an obvious question is, what are the possible biological effects of a directed high-powered HARP emission?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's talk about a couple of different effects.
		First, let's talk about the testing that's going on this year, which is this Earth-penetrating tomography experimentation.
		And what's going to happen there is they're going to create an extremely low frequency that comes down to the Earth.
		It's a pulsed radio frequency going up and a long wave coming back.
		And it's going to pulse in the range of 1 to 20 hertz, or pulses, or cycles per second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my, that's very low.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and this happens to correlate to the predominant brain waves of human beings.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And what we know from the research and literature is that the ability to entrain or lock onto human brain waves is now fairly well known and understood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And what John Hecker said in an interview with us was that was the frequency range under which this particular test would be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, let me stop you for just a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going back to the 60 minutes piece, I believe that it was suggested either there or in something else I read, I've done so much on this now I forget, that emissions of those sorts of low frequencies Could disorient or even make physically ill a human being.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That is absolutely correct.
		In fact, we have an Air Force document cited in our book.
		It's called Low Intensity Conflict in Modern Technology that has two chapters of importance.
		One on EMT, which we already covered, electromagnetic pulses, and the other is on biological effects of pulsed radio frequency, which is what we're talking about here today.
		And what that says in that document is it can not only make people ill, it can stop a heart, it can create brain entrainment, it create total disorientation or rapid and radical mood swings.
		It can create what they call anomalous brainwave patterns that they, that the way they phrase it and the way they state it, you're talking about those things that hit into that sixth sense area of enhancement of abilities, the way they frame it.
		But the fact of the matter is, the operator of pulsed radio frequency weapons, and in this book it was for tactical weapons, battlefield kind of weapons, what we have with HAARP is the biggest delivery system ever contemplated by man, except in the sense it was contemplated by J.F. Gordon McDonald, who I referenced earlier, who said if you could electronically stroke the ionosphere in just the right wave with just the right amount of energy, you could create mood swings over entire geographical regions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now I want to backtrack with you just one second, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said pulsed emissions between 1 and 22 Hertz, did you say?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I said 20 Hertz is much what Hecher said, but actually the ability to pulse for brainwave frequency is a little bit bigger than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		But what I'm getting at here is if the goal of that is to map things underground, on the Earth, then standing upon the ground and absorbing more radiation, arguably, would be poor little electromagnetic human beings that are strolling about.
		In other words, it's got to go through us to get to the Earth, and God knows it's got to be strong to get into the Earth to do that mapping.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's going through everything, and it's going all the way down.
		And the other point to make here is one of the things John Heckscher said is that, hey, but don't worry, the amount of energy, the level of energy that hits the Earth, that returns to the Earth, is going to be about the size of, in terms of volume, about the same as what would occur naturally.
		The only difference is it's going to be coherent or rhythmic.
		Now the important point here is, let's assume that he's telling the truth in this instance, that it is going to be similar, except it's going to be coherent, rhythmic waves.
		What Jose Delgado discovered, and Jose Delgado was an electrophysiologist educated in Madrid who came to the United States, worked at Yale University, was well regarded internationally as one of the specialists in the field of brain research, and he found that pulsed radio frequency,
		shaped in just the right way, could in fact change animal and human behavior like throwing a light switch on and off from being lethargic to excited, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
		Back and forth, back and forth, at energy levels 1 50th of that occurring in the Earth, except it was coherent or rhythmic or controlled in just the right way.
		So 50 times more power than is necessary to create mood swings is going to be used in that one experiment.
		Now the question will come up is, well, is that intentional or is it accidental?
		Who cares?
		The fact is it can happen.
		And the point is, if you take it, the question is, well, would the government do this?
		There was a book that we found in our research called Between Two Ages written by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was national security advisor to Jimmy Carter.
		The book was called Between Two Ages.
		And on page 57 of that book, what he suggests is, in fact, that they can create these kind of effects.
		And later in the text, he suggests that if this government were to have that capability, they would be tempted.
		In fact, they would use it.
		Now, this is a national security advisor to a president suggesting they would use it.
		Not Dr. Nick Begich suggesting they would use it.
		Although I agree with them, I think they will.
		The fact of the matter is, if they have the capability, they're going to seek to demonstrate that capability.
		And our concern is, again, is these are the kinds of things that Americans need to be involved with, that we need to be asking questions about, because this isn't just some subtle ionospheric research project.
		This is a proof-of-concept project to demonstrate for the military what these weapons are capable of so they can deploy them on a larger and larger scale.
		This is the same way they start every major weapons program.
		Nothing is unique or different about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, I, as you know, and as I've said in the past, this new audience will not be aware, I spoke with the HAARP program manager in Boston, John Heckscher, the man you've been referring to.
		I gave him an opportunity to come on this show, not to be pinned to the wall, not for it to be a contentious interview, but for him to be able to come on and give his side of the argument.
		He at first declined, and then when I pressed him, he said, well, they're not going to allow me to come on.
		And what do you read into that?
		I mean, what do you read into that?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that what's happened is they figured that our activity here would be short-lived and would dissipate, and that the energy behind our objection to this science would go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what he said, actually what he said.
		His response was, well, if I came on, I'd just be preaching to the choir.
		Now, he had a copy of the program, the last program that I did with you.
		And I think I had the feeling, I had the sense that it scared him.
		And I began to ask him some technical questions about the focus of energy On the ionosphere with a narrow beam width.
		In other words, the exact opposite of the other ionospheric heaters.
		He mentioned those to me.
		And I said, yes, but HAARP is going to be focusing the energy from the ground, if you think of it, to a tiny little spot at the ionosphere.
		And you're going to be delivering so much more than has ever been delivered before.
		And he just went silent.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the whole thing is, in terms of where I think John Hexcher is, my facts was going crazy too, sorry about that.
		Where John Hexcher is coming from on a lot of this, when he says he would just be preaching to the choir, maybe the American taxpayer is the choir that he ought to be preaching to.
		We're the people paying for this system.
		And he certainly, or this program certainly ought to be accountable to every one of us listening to this broadcast or participating in this broadcast.
		That is his job.
		And Americans, public servants in American life have forgotten who they work for.
		His program managers won't let him on, but certainly it's time for this debate to be moved into the public forum.
		And it shouldn't just be happening from a few lone researchers out here.
		It should be happening at all levels, and it should be involving certainly the United States government.
		And I think that this is just another one of these cop-outs for a theoretically open project that they're unwilling to step forward and defend in a reasonable way, I think is just the same pattern that we've seen before.
		I mean, the only thing that surprised me along all of the lines is the fact that they really have been silent.
		I mean, the only things they've done to react to us is they did hold an open house to kind of show that everything is okay, which is kind of like looking at the outside of an ICBM.
		I mean, what's it going to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what he said to me?
		He said, and he gave me some little radio station near the community where the HARP project is, and he said, well, we've been on there a couple of times trying to explain to the local community what's going on.
		right and how do people Well, I'll tell you what.
		Hold on, if you would just a moment.
		Here we are at the bottom of the hour, once again, tracking all kinds of stories this morning.
		The swarming earthquakes, the low-level volcanic alerts, of all things, for Mammoth Lakes issued by USGS, and an 8 to 8.2 earthquake near Indonesia, for which tsunami alerts and warnings and watches and so forth have now been canceled.
		But that is a large, large, very large geologic event in an area called Dead on the Nose by a guy named Scallion.
		I'm Art Bell.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, you're back on the air again.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		All right, good to be back.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Where do we leave off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, instead of where did we leave off, I would like to ask exactly about what we're going to cover in depth in the newsletter, and that is go all the way back, way back to before HAARP, to Nicola Tesla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that connection, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is, you know, this was one of the mind triggerers for me.
		When I first started researching this project and pulled the first patents, which were the Eastland patents, in there, in every patent, there's a section that deals with the references, which is kind of where the inventor sort of draws their inspiration.
		And in this case, there were three notations, and two of those were New York Times articles, one from around 1915 and one, as memory serves me, around 1940 or 41.
		And the thing that struck me, first of all, reading the patent itself and looking at it, was this has got to be Tesla references.
		And then what I did is, of course, pulled the microfilm on those articles, which were most revealing, because in fact that's exactly what those articles were about.
		And they were about a specific weapon system that Tesla had designed that was intended to, at distance, melt, what he said would melt engines and provide 50 million volt potentials as described in the article.
		And it was described graphically as bolts of lightning from the mythical Thor.
		So, I mean, what it was essentially describing was sort of the great-grandfather of the HAARP system.
		And this was the inspiration for Bernard Eastland to develop the HARP radio frequency transmitter.
		Now, the other thing that's part of this project that we haven't even covered tonight was the idea of power beaming, of transferring electrical energy from one part on the planet to another, which was a long-held dream of Nikola Tesla.
		In fact, what you mentioned as being one of the photographs in this upcoming newsletter, that's going to have that transmitter, which was underwritten by J.P. Morgan as a financier.
		But the unfortunate part was when Morgan found out that people were going to be able to essentially plug in for free, it sort of took the capitalistic incentive out of the program, and that was the end of it.
		But it is the precursor.
		It is the beginning of this whole wave of thinking.
		What Bernard Eason was hired to do was to find a use for the energy, the natural gas, that is owned by Atlantic Richfield on the north slope of Alaska, which amounts to trillions of cubic feet.
		And Atlantic Richfield was the original owner of actually a package of 12 patents, which include three on power beaming, a number on ionospheric mirrors and over-the-horizon radar technologies, and then of course the ionospheric heater, the principle of focusing energy.
		What John Heckscher has said and probably said to you also, Art, is that no, no, we're not using Bernard Eastland's patent.
		And they are using the principles behind Bernard Eastland's patent.
		Bernard pictured an antenna array much, much larger than what we have here in Alaska currently.
		However, it's the basic principle of focusing that they're using.
		And these other patents reference that original patent by Eastland because they require that focusing ability.
		So you have Eastland referencing Tesla and these other inventors referencing Eastland, which by default is of course also referencing the basic foundational work of Nikola Tesla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, did you happen to see by any chance on NBC the other evening exclusive footage of the first missile shot down with a laser?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see that, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, NBC ran it, and they actually showed the missile in flight, the laser tracking, firing, and blowing it in half.
		Now, with that as a precursor, I want to read something to you.
		Rest your voice.
		HARP is capable of being used as an anti-ballistic missile defense.
		This is a fax from Wayne in Phoenix.
		I used to work for the NSA, the National Security Agency.
		I designed parts of the Star Wars defense system.
		The president, Reagan at that time, wanted in the 80s.
		Do you remember one of the missile basing plans they were discussing that was called Dense Pack?
		We would place almost all of our land-based ICBMs in two or three bases, then try to defend those two or three bases against incoming ICBMs.
		Well, guess what?
		HARP is the final phase of the system that I designed.
		Our Intel department had the actual circuit board designs of the Russian missile guidance systems.
		I designed a shaped array microwave transmitter that when programmed properly, we could inject a voltage signal on the missile's positioning sensors and make it miss the dense pack bases.
		The final design would require a massive system located close to Russia so that we could modify the trajectory while the ICBM was still in the ascent stage.
		Does this sound like solid information, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It does.
		It kind of deviates a little bit from our understanding of what all is possible with this particular technology, but given the size of the HAARP transmitter, it does make sense.
		From an Eastland perspective, there's a little more involved, but from the current state of the HARP technology, in terms of size, that would make a great deal of sense.
		And the way it's phrased and worded sounds certainly credible.
		What we found in a number of the talk programs we've been on is people who have worked on these kinds of programs have stepped forward and supported our assertions in our work.
		And, you know, we're not afraid to be challenged.
		I mean, we would welcome any challenge on the way we've constructed materials.
		And, you know, it's like anyone's work.
		If there's something there that someone can say is, hey, this is wrong or this needs to be amplified, that would be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		but unfortunately the only application we keep getting are from people spending us material saying here's something else that you met that i did my question my question then doctor is why is the program manager john hechier uh...
		not willing I got to the first offering, which was to let him come on by himself and to let him say exactly what he wanted to say.
		And he gave me his, well, it would be just preaching to the choir speech.
		And then finally, well, my bosses won't let me speech.
		Now, why, if it's what he says it is, wouldn't he be anxious, more than anxious, to come on in a free willing forum and challenge you with all of these assertions?
		Why in the world wouldn't he do that?
		Isn't that his job?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would think it is, but, you know, I mean, again, from my perspective, we would welcome the opportunity.
		I would probably want to have one of my specialists on who's a little more familiar with the radio frequency side of it.
		But, hey, we're willing to.
		We've challenged them in terms of, you know, let's debate it.
		Let's get in front of a public body.
		Let's sit down.
		You bring your team.
		I'll bring my team.
		Let's see who can flush this thing out.
		And the fact of the matter is, why not?
		If it's so open and so honest and there's nothing sinister here, then why not bring it into the public forum?
		The fact that they won't tells me a great deal about where this program actually is.
		At some point, they probably are going to have to step forward.
		And what they're hoping, what they've been hoping all along is that this thing would fizzle.
		But it's far from fizzling.
		I mean, it's gaining momentum.
		It will continue to gain momentum.
		This week, we had a one-hour program on this technology that was aired on BBC television in Great Britain.
		We've had a lot of media contacts in the last month or so that have been encouraging.
		You know, we're not sitting there with a trillion-dollar defense budget.
		You know, we're sitting there with a budget derived from the work that we do independently.
		We're not funded by grants or special programs, and yet we've been able to put together very compelling arguments, as you know, from reading our material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's get to that.
		Look, part of the way you're funded is by selling your book on this subject called Angels Don't Play This Harp.
		You haven't plugged it.
		I've plugged plenty of stuff.
		You plug your book.
		How do they get your book, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there's two ways.
		You can get it by mail.
		The book is with freight, with air freight.
		It's an extra $3.
		With standard surface freight, it's $1.5.
		The book itself is $14.95, and you can get it by calling 907-249-9111 or by mail to Dr. Nick Begich,
		and that's spelled B-E-G-I-C-H, and that's at P-O-Box 20133, Anchorage, Alaska, 99520.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give the number, if you would, one more time slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People, you know, race for pencils and stuff.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		The ordering number, and that number also has the mailing address on it when you call in, and that's a 24-hour number.
		It's area code 907-249-9111.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I remember the last time we were on, somehow there were so many thousands of people calling that number, as there are going to be right now, that people got, even though we gave the number correctly, they got the number transposed in some horrid little way that put phone calls massively into the 911 emergency system up there in Anchorage.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it was in Ketchikanalas.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Ketchikanalaska was the state trooper's phone number, and that was inadvertent to give that number one more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me give it, because I want people to be damn sure they've got it right.
		Area code 907-249-9111.
		Now, I don't know that we can get it out any clearer than that.
		Please, everybody, be very, very careful how you call.
		What I would like to do now is enter the phase.
		I've almost kept you going here three hours without even opening the lines.
		Every one of them is ringing and has been since we began the program.
		So, would you mind taking some questions?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		Let's go as long as you want.
		I'm up for it as long as you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Yes, I'm 200 miles east of the center of the Rockies.
unidentified		There are two Pocatello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, I'd like to, I think, bought his book and went through that with some of my other reading in this subject.
		And I think we're missing something significant here.
		All right.
		And that is if you plot a true line course, okay, between the HARP site and the possible high-powered transmitters which would reflect.
		It goes right into the western United States.
		You take the steering capabilities of it, and it covers the continental U.S. And when he talked about behavior modification, this is beyond experimentation.
		And I'm sure he could quote many references on this.
		I mean, he've done everything from, he mentioned mood swings, raising stress levels, affecting chemical hormone balance in the brain, affecting drowsiness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, we don't have any of that going on, huh?
unidentified		Well, he mentioned the 1994 earthquake up there in Alaska.
unidentified		What he didn't mention is there was an experimentation just prior to that by the Department of Energy with deep nuclear blasts in Alaska, and that might have triggered that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you aware of that, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		The 1964 earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1964, you mentioned.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I was unaware of the deep nuclear blast.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I'd not really seen that correlation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about what he said with regard to the West Coast and then the entire continental United States?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that they've picked the signal up.
		The only question I have is whether or not they can deliver the necessary power densities.
		And that is still unclear for this particular transmitter at this particular time.
		But again, as I mentioned earlier, those amplification effects that have been noted and well noted by HAARF scientists while they were working on other projects is certainly there.
		So I won't discount the possibility, and I don't mean, and I did not mean to do that.
		I only said that, look, we don't have that independent monitoring to make those absolute precise correlations between weather effects and this particular transmitter.
		But again, I'm not going to say that it isn't possible, and I'm not going to say that that is the cause.
		But what we do know is that these transmitters have these capabilities.
		For the behavioral modification effects, that is a much, much lower power requirement than for weather modification.
		So that becomes much more possible in terms of this technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I talked to the program manager, he said to me, there are other ionospheric heaters in the world, as we discussed early in the program, and a lot of people would have missed it.
		But the difference between those other ionospheric heaters and HARP is very, very significant.
		Their energy is wide-beamed up, while HAARP's is wide-beamed from the bottom, designed to become narrow at the top, or at the point that it hits the point they wish to strike in the ionosphere.
		And the good parallel, the one we used earlier, was walk out in the sun, sunny day, no problem, you get a little sun, you get a little tan, take a magnifying glass and get that little dot right down there on your hand, leave it there, it'll burn a hole right through your hand, give it enough time.
		And that is the difference between this project, as I understand it, and other so-called ionospheric heaters, right?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And they try and have it both ways.
		You know, when they're defending the funding of the project, they talk about it as being the most unique, most powerful ionospheric heater in the world with this unique steering, focusing, and rapid scanning capability.
		And then when they're defending themselves against people like me, they're saying, oh, no, no, this is just the same as everything else.
		Well, they know full well it's not.
		And what they're looking at is the rating on the ground.
		And as we said earlier in the first hour, that that rating on the ground is really irrelevant.
		What's relevant, more relevant rather, is what you get when you get to the top of that column of energy as it focuses in and delivers that very high, high density energy that then creates what the military calls a runaway effect that then is supposed to stable at some undefined in their documents or anywhere in the literature, some undefined level is how they state it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm glad we've been able to do this, Doctor.
		Stand by.
		We're going to devote the next hour to telephone calls.
		I will give it one more time to get copies of this program or the newsletter coming up devoted to HAARP.
		The number is 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278 to the phones when we get back.
unidentified		That's 2-800-917-4278 to the phones when we get back.
unidentified		That's 2-800-917-4278 to the phones when we get back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got a great big sale, well, not sale, offer going on my book, The Art of Talk.
		It's a book I wrote about Talk Radio about myself.
		It is available now in two forms.
		A beautiful hardcover edition and the brand new audio book.
		The audiobook is four and one-half hours long.
		If you order either my regular book or my audiobook, you will receive, along with it, free of charge, a 5x7 color glossy photograph, the one that ran in the LA Times, signed by me.
		Personally signed by me.
		Now, that's a pretty doggone good deal, I think.
		And I actually like the photograph, and I hate photographs of me, but I like this one.
		It's kind of me.
		You'll see.
		The number to order the book, audio, or regular, along with the picture, and you'll get it when you order either one of them, is 1-800-864-7991.
		1-800-864-7991.
		It is a special edition, first come, first served basis only.
		When these supplies are gone, they're gone and the deal expires.
		So you be sure and ask the operator, please, when you call, if you are going to get the special edition with the photograph.
		1-800-864-7991.
		Now, back to Dr. Begich, and I promise to concentrate on calls, and that is what we are going to do.
		Dr. Begich?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you're really with them, because we're going to go to the phones this time.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Wichita, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		My name's Dennis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dennis.
unidentified		Yeah, I kind of got a, not exactly a three-part question, but there's three parts involved.
		First of all, you're cut off here in Wichita, so I can't hear much.
		I wonder if the same physics are involved with Russia was allegedly beaming positive ions at the general population in the U.S. for just to cause just general bad attitudes.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		Hold it right there.
		Positive ions.
		I was aware of Russia's over-the-horizon radar.
		Ham radio operators called it the woodpecker.
		A damnable thing that would mess up communications across a lot of the spectrum.
		I remember that, Doctor.
		Positive ions?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've not heard that before.
		I have heard the woodpecker, and we referenced it in the book.
		And it was attributed with having had not only disturbing effects on ham radio offers, but there were reports of it also affecting behavior or the health of people, certainly.
		And I believe it was Eugene, Oregon was the actual area that was experiencing that.
		But these transmitters that the former Soviet Union had that are still there are the ones that are referenced by John Heckscher as being similar to the HARP program, which is another irony in all of this, because they were attributed with having had effects on weather, on power systems in Canada, on behavior.
		All of it was, I won't say unsubstantiated, but not as substantiated as I like to see things as far as consistently documented.
		But nonetheless, they were attributed with those effects shortly after those transmissions were starting to raise a lot of attention is when the United States entered the weather modification treaties in 1976, where we agreed with, I believe it was a little over 60 other countries to not use weather modification weapons as weapons of war.
		So you have those correlations.
		We also know of the microwave beaming of the U.S. Embassy that raised quite a stir.
		We referenced that in the book on the table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this was a three-parter, so we better dig back into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, sir.
unidentified		I appreciate the time.
		My second part is, who are these brilliant minds that come up with such a complicated device, if you will, to do such an unwise thing?
		And my third is, oh, God, during his lapse, I kind of forgot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, look, that's answered for this part.
		That's a good one, yeah.
		That's a good one.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, in terms of the scientists, you know, first of all, let's be fair about it in that sense, is that many of these people are very, very specialized in their work.
		And the way the government develops weapon systems, they do compartmentalize it in the sense that certain parts of the project are housed in various locations, same way the Manhattan Project was built and any other major weapons initiative is built.
		So what you have on the HAAARP scientist team or scientific team are predominantly atmospheric physicists, radio engineers, and engineering types building this gadget, this big device.
		But on the other end of the country are where they're working with the effects, biological effects of radio frequency weapons.
		And here in Alaska, you know, during the planning stage, they were talking about, no, they don't have any biological effects.
		Well, at the same time, on the other end of the country, they're getting funding based on the biological effects of pulsed radio frequency.
		So the scientific teams are compartmentalized, and they operate under a need-to-know principle, where they get the information they need for their specific part, and that's what they're focused on.
		What we also did, one of the things we did is we sent our press releases, our initial press releases on our information to all the scientists That had addresses listed in any of the literature provided by HARP, which involved almost 100 scientists, on the hope that if they looked at the work and looked at the whole implications of the project, maybe a few of them would come forward or step forward and maybe even just step out of the project.
		So, you know, we can't look at them as all a bunch of villains because I don't think that's the case.
		I think at a certain level, probably more on the order of the Pentagon and at those levels, there might be, certainly is a lot more coordination of these various bits and pieces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But at this point, all right, Doctor, listen.
		Here's what brings this on, and I want you to react to this.
		The reason you're on tonight, the reason we're doing this program, is because of the conversation I had with the HARP program manager, John Hetcher.
		Now, at one point in our conversation, he was in Boston, we were talking, spent a good half hour on the phone, I said, Mr. Hetscher, are you sure, are you certain that your agenda, which I could believe you believe is your agenda, since the military is involved, might not be different than their agenda, there, meaning the military.
		No, no, there's no possibility of that.
		I take it you wouldn't necessarily agree with that.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's a big difference than what he was saying to Canadian Broadcasting the other day when he was on the air with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did he say?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And what he was saying then was he didn't know, and he really wasn't sure, and that maybe there could be a different program at a higher level.
		Oh, really?
		And so that's a big change from just a couple of weeks ago when he was on the air across the country in prime time slots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's remarkable.
		That's a remarkable change in a short while.
		All right, thank you.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich in Alaska.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Dr. Begich.
		This is interesting show, Art.
		Calling from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in view of national security, I can see where this is really quite something and, of course, very valuable.
		But what the other side of the NC that's very frightening is the effect that it may have on human behavior.
		And will you be able to give some information regarding where we can write as Americans to make a voice about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really good question.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there's a couple things that I would suggest is certainly contact your congressional delegations in your own areas and ask that this be open and open Senate hearings, that the people that are responsible and the people that are objecting have an opportunity to air our concerns.
		That would be one way.
		Another thing that we've asked people to do as we've been on radio across the country is to contact our state of Alaska's governor, Tony Knowles, in Juneau, Alaska, and let him know that you really would like to see the state independently monitor it.
		Now the standard response has been, we do know he's reading our book because one was handed to him and he did write us and tell us he's looking through it and going through it.
		But the thing, the standard answer is, well, it's a federal project.
		We really don't have any control over it.
		Well, it's being front-ended through a university funded by the state.
		And the other part of it is it's affecting state residents here.
		Certainly that is a state issue.
		We have environmental concerns that have been raised.
		Those are legitimate issues raised by states and residents within states that our state government can indeed take an action on.
		A number of our legislators are now looking at it.
		So as people call, it's kind of the old saying, you know, when the public starts screaming for answers, the politicians start scrambling to figure out what those answers are.
		And that is exactly what has just started to happen here in the last couple of months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, if there were Congressional or Senate hearings held on this, would you want to testify?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, and I would want to bring my team into those hearings to be able to present our side and to openly debate anyone the military wants to present in those hearings because I believe we can make a case to support what we've presented in our documents and in our book, and we can make a case for the kinds of things that we're asserting these technologies can do, and we can make a case for the fact that those particular technologies and uses represent extreme environmental dangers as well as dangers to the population.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gene, why do I suspect those might not be open hearings?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, where are you, sir?
unidentified		Caneyville, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Extinguish your radio for us, if you would, please.
		Turn that off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
unidentified		All right.
		First thing, Dr. Begich.
		Begich.
		Could you tell us what HARP stands for?
		Again, I didn't get all that.
		It was a high-frequency.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's a mouthful.
		It's a high-frequency, active, auroral research project.
		It's the acronym the military has chosen as HARP for that lengthy title.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		And the last time you was on ART show, I believe I heard that there's another one of these transmitters in Puerto Rico.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's configured differently.
		As we understand it, it may be under some condition of retrofitting to more closely parallel the capability of HAARP.
		But it's been there for a good number of years.
		It's at Aerocibo, Puerto Rico.
		It is referenced in the HARP documents as a similar transmitter, although in the document they also reference it as less capable, although we do know it's going through some retrofitting, and we have heard that it is being retrofitted to have this focusing capacity as well.
unidentified		Okay, and I'll try to limit it to just a couple questions here.
unidentified		Do you think, in your opinion, that HARP was used in Kuwait?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is a very interesting question.
		And I'm going to add to it, not just HARP.
		Do you think that other weapons, Non-lethal weapons that would be in the category of HARP were used or abused in that war?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is a very important point.
		And in terms of the HARP transmitter itself, I don't think so.
		But the principles on the basis of which HAARP is constructed, in other words, smaller, more tactical-size weapon systems that use exactly the same principles as HAARP could utilize in terms of its capability, yes.
		And why I think that is when you think back on that whole Gulf War situation of people coming out, the enemy, the fourth largest army in the world, essentially coming out in total states of confusion, totally disoriented, which is exactly the kind of effect you would see from radio frequency weapons.
		And more than that, the excuse was, well, we hammered them so heavily with bombs and various types of ordnance.
		But when you think back to Berlin and London, those cities took a beating in World War II that people who lived through it, I'm sure, would remember it as a pretty strong hammering.
		And yet, they didn't walk out totally disoriented.
		They walked out fighting.
		I mean, that was not an excuse to quit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I'm recalling that during that war, we literally, with Earth Movers, buried alive a lot of the enemy soldiers.
		It's a fact known, but not widely known.
		Many, many, many of them were dispatched in that manner.
		And you could dispatch somebody in a confused state more easily, certainly, in that manner.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, when you talk about this kind of technology, let me explain a principle on a biological effect for electrotron resonance, which is what heart produces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, just before you do, one other point before I forget it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is that 16 Minutes made the point that these sorts of weapons are very interesting, but unfortunately, they've not yet perhaps figured out how to stop the effect from being applied to those using the weapons.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's talk about the biological effect, and maybe this explains why some of our own servicemen have come back with these unexplainable disorders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where I was headed.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, because here's what happens, is if you have in every human being in their body certain elements that in each of those elements resonate to a very specific frequency, and when you have, say, in your body, which we all do, a certain amount of iodine, which in large doses is deadly, or certainly disabling, creates some number of negative effects, or any number of other elements, but in small amounts is not considered toxic.
		So you do the normal tests for these kinds of elements and you would find that, oh, it's no problem.
		They're below the toxicity level.
		They're okay.
		But if you resonate a frequency at the right frequency that more or less harmonizes with those elements, you create an amplified effect, which would be just like you took a massive dosage of the chemical or the element, causing a series of chemical reactions, just like you had had a massive dosage.
		And yet when they test you, everything looks normal or everything's within normal limits, and yet you're having these symptoms that are now unexplained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and gee, could that be why we're at the bottom of the hour here?
		We've got this massive controversy about this illness called the Gulf War Syndrome that nobody can quite put their finger on, that science can't define, and yet clearly in thousands of GIs returning exists.
		Go Vida!
unidentified		Go Vida!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to concentrate on the phone lines.
		East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
		If you have never called the program, first-time callers at area code 702-727-1222.
		My guest is Dr. Nick Begich.
		He's up in Alaska, and he's back.
		And here we go, Doctor.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Dr. Begich.
		Can I ask you, is the HARP project, is it able to trigger the new Mazrick fault for a quake?
		And can you comment on the Oregon slots?
		And thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I missed the last part of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't.
		Would you comment on the Oregon floods?
		Of course, I really, in a way, had you do that earlier by asking you if any of this completely bizarre weather might be a product of HAARP or a project like HAARP here or Russia or anywhere else.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's really kind of, you know, again, as I said earlier, you know, could it, you know, would it, you know, it's really difficult to quantify all of that.
		I mean, I think it's within the capability of HARP, certainly, to modify weather, whether or not it can affect everything that we've talked about.
		We just don't have all the answers because we don't have independent monitoring to make clear correlations, and we don't have open science here in the sense that the military fully displays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this, Doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would, just speculatively, would weather modification be, do you think, a prime goal of the project at some point, or would it be a byproduct of a goal?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		They would never acknowledge it as a goal because they would immediately be in violation of international treaties.
		Because weather modification as a weapon of war and with the Air Force and Navy being involved, they couldn't deny it, is prohibited by international agreement from 1976.
		Now, there was an article from Defense News referencing a project called Spacecast 2020, wherein weather modification was discussed, and the idea of perhaps revisiting the whole question of whether or not this ought to be a prohibited area was explored and announced in that Defense News article.
		We cited in the book itself.
		The point is they're not going to ever Admit that because to admit it means that they've got to then really come under the scrutiny of 60 plus other nations that were signatories to that same agreement.
		As a byproduct, I think that that's legitimate.
		And also, in one of the documents on HARP that raises this question by an individual to the Spectrum Planning Committee, which is a branch of the Department of Commerce, that was dealing with this issue, this very same question, what they said is kind of interesting is as long as the power levels are such that weather modification or weather changes don't affect another sovereign country,
		it's apparently permissible under the Act or under the agreement, which is an interesting correlation because that's the same thing that exists in our chemical weapons bans.
		What we cannot use in a conflict with another country, a declared enemy, we can, in fact, continue to develop and use chemical and biological weapons domestically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have done it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that is right in these international agreements.
		And we cite the paragraphs and sections of that particular international agreement, again, in the book, to draw people's attention to the fact that here we have technologies that we can't even use against someone we declare as an enemy, and yet we can continue to use or can use against our own people.
		In fact, in the whole non-lethal weapons area, which includes chemicals as well as all of these other things we've been discussing, there's been three meetings that we cite in the book, conferences between Department of Defense and Department of Justice from 1980, early 80s and then 87 and then one in the 90s.
		And the one in the 90s, the last one, was actually sponsored by Los Alamos Laboratories and the whole conference was classified except for the agenda.
		On the agenda were radio frequency weapons, among other things.
		And what they were essentially doing is talking about the transfer of technology from Department of Defense to Department of Justice.
		And then as late as 1994, there was a draft policy that was later solidified in a memorandum of agreement between Department of Defense and Department of Justice doing exactly that, transferring these technologies and developing a method for dual use of a number of these technologies between those two departments to specifically utilize them domestically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, if I could, let me return to an earlier point with regard to the Gulf War.
		There have been Gulf War hearings, Gulf War Syndrome hearings in Washington, a number of them.
		And all kinds of people have testified to all kinds of things, usually chemical or biological or even nuclear, you know, whether there was this or that exposure.
		Has there been any testimony in the hearings that enters in or questions the kind of areas that we're talking about right now?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of.
		And this, you know, I think the biological issues are like half the story because one of the other ways that you could utilize a radio frequency weapon as an example would be to deliberately put into an environment either by delivery through the ordnance that you're dropping or perhaps even the heavy metals or trace elements that the ordnance itself has in it.
		And any of that that would be taken into the system, the biological system, the human beings in the battlefield, and then to bombard the battlefield with radio frequency weapons to enhance the effects of those elements would be another way to deliver it.
		Or if you looked at a chemical agent delivered in such minute amounts that it was very, very difficult to detect, like what we heard about in the Gulf War, where it was detected just in these real strange sporadic areas.
		But if you can get just some of that into each of those people and then hit them with the right resonating frequency, then you might create an amplification effect that indeed would manifest itself as a serious illness or disorder or disease that would be unexplainable, which is exactly the kind of circumstances we have.
		So whether or not they were purely just biological or chemical agents or whether or not they were enhanced in their effect by radio frequency, I think is most likely the case because it's just the whole nature of how all of that is unfolding.
		And I think time will tell whether we're right in that assertion or not.
		But it would be interesting to see the military brought to task as to what kind of new weapons technologies were tried because they did announce going into Somalia, Bosnia, and I believe in Desert Storm as well that they were going to take in a number of non-lethal weapons.
		And I know in the case of Somalia and Bosnia, they haven't fully disclosed what all those might be.
		And whenever the military is pinned down on radio frequency and microwave weapons, the general response is sorry, can't talk about as classified.
unidentified		Yes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Except on this last Sunday 60-minute segment where those very weapon systems came up.
unidentified		Yes, they did.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And there were two people talking, and the one person and the military says to the other one, you're going to get in trouble for saying that.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get in trouble for saying that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep, yep, yep.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Because they spilled their guts and started to tell more than they should have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there was also then the story, Doctor, of General Schwarzkopf.
		That's somebody I really admire, a straightforward American.
		He said one of the most godforsaken decisions he had to make during the war was whether or not to bomb the biological chemical facilities of Saddam Hussein.
		He said that the scientists who came to him said, use high heat, high light intensive bombs and you will destroy these agents.
		Or we think you will.
		So he said he had to make that decision without a full assurance that there would be total destruction of these horrible things.
		And I have to wonder, frankly, whether there was total destruction.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Because in this case, as we're speaking, even if some of this were to escape into the environment, be picked up and absorbed by people, and then hit with this new class of weapons resonating at the right frequencies, we've got big problems.
		And whether it's accidental, deliberate, the whole, war is ugly, war is horrible.
		We all agree on that.
		But maybe these weapons go to the same classification as what we found in the trenches in World War I, that biological, or in that case, chemical agents were inhumane.
		And maybe that's really what we're talking about here, is the inhumanity of a weapon system that can create these kind of effects, and the need for them becomes somewhat questionable, particularly when you consider these technological transfers to the Department of Justice, when you consider the whole concept of the military, in this case, looking at the introduction of new technologies that they know full well run counter to American values, and they actually spell it out in their own documents.
		And they're looking for ways to bring them back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dr. Baxter Vones, East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Mark in Madison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Madison, Wisconsin, yes.
unidentified		WTDY.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		Let's just get to the bottom line.
unidentified		What you guys are talking about is that if this is really true, it's all hypothetical right now, but if it's really true that they're actually using this technology, it would be beyond any layperson's comprehension that they would even want to use these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, it is not hypothetical, is it, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No.
		In fact, our book is extremely well footnoted.
		We have 350 footnotes covering each of the major points.
		Our own opinions are clearly stated as our opinions, and the facts are clearly stated as such.
		We extensively quote government documents.
		This book was not put together in the way many books on revealing startling subjects are.
		We were very, very careful to follow some strict standard of at least journalistic presentation so that people could look at it, read it, and understand it, because we do explain it very well so lay people can understand our work, and then be able to footnote it in a way so you can go right back to those source documents yourself, see them in their full context, and know quite clearly that what we've said is exactly the state of the technology today.
		It's not hypothetical.
		It's not written in a way that can't be understood.
		You know, we felt an obligation to take the time out of our lives for the last year, now almost two years, to make sure we could explain this because it is a very, very important state of the technology and a state of the technology that deserves public debate.
		It's not that we don't think we need a strong defense.
		Quite to the contrary, we do.
		But we need a strong defense that also is reflective of American values.
		I mean, what are we defending?
		We're defending those very values that in many ways these weapon systems violate.
		And that just does not fit well with me as an American, and it does not sit well with most of the people that read our material and hear our story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people think what you're talking about is pure science fiction.
		They think it's some future projection of something that might be done.
		Well, it's not.
		It's being done now.
		It's being done right up there in Alaska.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Nick Beggich.
		Hello.
		No, I think we just missed that person.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I wanted to ask him a question.
unidentified		I think on your last show you had a scenario of using this microwave energy that if they were to use it, you'd be walking around and you'd hear a clicking in your head and being that we're 98% water, what would happen to us?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		What we were probably talking about, I mean, I know we got a question, I don't remember which show it was on, whether it was Arts or a different one, about the Taos hum, which is perceived as that way, and certain radio frequencies, certain people perceive them as a buzz or a roll, a low, like detail, rumbling sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, let me interrupt.
		I can tell you what he's talking about.
		He's confusing guests.
		I had a guest on who wrote a book called Sunstroke, which was actually science fiction, although there is such a project ongoing to beam back to Earth via satellite, by microwave, energy gathered in space, park a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, gather in the power, put it into klystrons, and transmit it back to Earth.
		It is a technology that could be achieved.
		Now, were this satellite to drift a little bit out of its window, as satellites can be known too, this microwave beam would begin scorching across the Earth, and that's where the clicking sound came from.
		That would be the first warning that you were being literally cooked by microwaves, and that's what the caller was referring to.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		You're on the air.
		Where are you?
unidentified		St. Louis, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		I was wondering, you mentioned Nicholas Helfa's idea of free energy transmission over an open-air medium.
		My question is, this technology seems more useful as an electromagnetic propulsion system.
		If these large amounts of energy can be built up by a domino effect of magnetic resonance buildup, I was wondering if this could be a possible application of the technology.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's beyond the scope of my expertise to answer the question.
		I'm sorry.
		Tesla was attributed with a lot of interesting ideas and technologies, but I really can't.
		I don't feel qualified to answer that particular question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm glad that you're really not actually ranging out of your field, and I appreciate that.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Bigich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art.
		Yes.
		This is a magic Christian from Ventura, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Good evening, Dr. Bigich.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		Good to speak to you.
		I don't know what your belief system is, and this might sound like an off-the-wall question concerning a belief system, but as my moniker states, I'm a Christian Bible-believing.
		Are you familiar with Hal Lindsay?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, he writes on scientific matters as well as biblical prophecy and the applications thereof.
unidentified		He wrote in one of his books, a follow-up to Lake Great Planet Earth called Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I read the book.
unidentified		Are you familiar with him saying the Prince of the Power of the Air reference that Paul makes in the New Testament could very well be electricity or electromagnetism?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I've heard it referenced.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It was a while since I read that book, but I've heard it referenced in discussion of this subject before by folks with similar belief systems as yours.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's right.
		We're a little far afield here scientifically.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, the name of the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The name of The book is Angels Don't Play This Harp, H-A-A-R-P.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		KTRH, Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, any questions?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I was a welder at one time, and I believe I heard Mr. Bagage mention that he wasn't an expert on RF frequency, but I was just curious if he could maybe highlight anything about TIG-type welding and the radio frequency of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'd be interested in that myself.
		Welding, a welder has used incredibly high amperage, which must generate an electromagnetic field as they do their welding.
		Would that be an accurate statement?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, obviously, wherever you have electric current, you have magnetic field that would correspond to it.
		How it might affect you, you know, I just, I don't know that much about welding.
		I can't answer the question, but certainly, you know, wherever you're working in an environment where you have magnetic fields, if they're in the right resonating frequencies, they can affect physiology.
		Now, whether or not that particular source would create a biological effect, I would need to know quite a bit more about it.
		But this whole area of energy is energy science as it applies to these weapon systems.
		Sort of the other side of the coin deals with there are some positive effects that can be created by the same basic knowledge.
		In fact, electromedicine, I think many people are going to hear more and more about it as we get into the next decade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, you've talked about directed energy.
		We have concerns on Gold Planet Earth here now about undirected energy.
		My God, there's a controversy now about power lines that go over people's homes.
		There was a study of poor ham radio operators like me that showed that people who were exposed to RF energy in the medium wave frequencies had cancer rates that were astoundingly higher than that of the general population.
		And this is generally strong, but undirected RF energy.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and there's more and more evidence.
		In fact, I believe the evidence is conclusive at this point that the right kind of exposures over a prolonged period of time, in some instances, shorter periods of time in others, do in fact create biological risk.
		But likewise, my friends who research and actually apply electromedicine technologies to healing systems in Europe using a combination of low-intensity laser and electricity through the acupuncture system have found profound positive health effects when it's well understood what they're in fact doing.
		And they've treated one particular individual, Rahel McKayla, who I referenced in the book, treated over 12,000 patients, many of whom the mainstream medical profession wrote off as terminal.
		600 of those terminal patients formed foundations to support his work over the years because they're still alive and kicking when they shouldn't have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, boy, does that work?
		Does that ever bring up a question?
		And we'll get to it right after the news.
		Relax, have another cup of coffee.
		And I guess we'll take you the whole way.
		I'm going to ask the doctor about something Wayne Green said when he was on the program when we come back.
unidentified		I'm going to ask the doctor about something Wayne Green said when he was on the program.
		Oh Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here again, I am.
		This will be a five-hour program, obviously.
		Dr. Nick Begich is my guest.
		Very patient, a well-informed man.
		If you would like a copy of this program, or to order our newsletter, which is going to have nearly an entire issue devoted to the HARP Project, along with photographs and the whole ball of wax, the number is 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		Now back to Dr. Begich.
		Doctor, are you still with us?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to briefly ask you, and then we'll go back to the phones.
		I had Wayne Green, who's a never-say-die kind of guy, a ham radio operator, runs 73 Magazine.
		You may or may not have ever heard of him.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I think I met him at a conference recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wouldn't surprise me.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		He lives in New England, is that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct, yes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I know I met him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has a device that he says passes a current, and he recommends it be done through the ankles or at the ankles.
		Maybe you're familiar with this.
		In alternating polarities through the ankle and through the major arteries that pass through the ankle and through the blood, which he claims can neutralize viruses, perhaps even the AIDS virus.
		And that would be one application of the kind of thing that you were talking about earlier when you were talking about the positive effects, I would think.
		Could such a thing, Doctor, be possible?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as a matter of fact, it could.
		In fact, I do know where he and I met.
		It was at a global sciences conference in Tampa, Florida, just about a month ago.
		In fact, this is exactly what we're talking about.
		We're talking about electromedicine.
		The system that my friend in Finland is utilizing, incidentally, he was challenged by his equivalent of the FDA and sustained the challenge so it's able to be practiced in Finland, is a system that uses a helium-neon laser, which is a low intensity laser in the sense that it doesn't burn you, but it does break the skin resistance.
		And it also has around the tip of the laser an electrode that also sends an electric current that resonates harmonically with the laser.
		Now what happens with this device that's unique is when you take the device and you move it across an acupuncture point, there's a distinct skin resistance differential.
		So at first it acts as a receiver and you move it across and the electrode acts as a receiver.
		And when you hit the acupuncture point, you get an audible sound.
unidentified		Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Tells you you're right on the target.
		Then you flip a switch, reverse it, and then you're sending the laser pulse and the electric current into that acupuncture point, which then has a profound effect.
		I mean, a much stronger effect than needling, because you're actually pushing energy into the acupuncture grid and affecting and creating, in fact, chemical reactions and changes in rebalancing the body that actually lead to healing.
		Now, he's used it in cardiovascular disease, treating diabetes, MS, a number of disorders.
		12,000 patients he has treated with this system with very, very good success.
		In fact, as I said before the break, 600 of his former patients formed foundation to support him in his work.
		He lectures all over the world.
		He's trained technicians.
		This is leading edge science.
		This is a whole new concept in science that we're going to hear more and more about as time goes on.
		It's the subject of some of my own research in terms of reporting on this science, talking about what new people on the scene are developing and bringing about in Europe and Asia is one of our main focuses for the next year or two once the HAARP issue is put behind us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you could call it acupuncture plus.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean it's a most intriguing system because needling, first of all, the people in the States is we kind of steer away from the needles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know I do.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And at the same time you don't have the risk of infectious disease transmission.
		Moreover, needling requires a high degree of precision.
		If you're off a few millimeters, you're not going to get any effect at all.
		Whereas with an electro laser, if you're off with the laser, the magnetic field surrounding the electrode will still pick up and pulse in the energy.
		But with this precision acupuncture point locating system, basically by measuring skin resistance, you never miss.
		I mean, it's an incredible technology.
		And I had it demonstrated in Europe when I was there in November of 94, just before we began this project.
		Profound, profound systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor.
		Let's get back to the phones.
		They're all ringing east of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing, Art?
unidentified		How you doing, Dr. Begich?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		I've been trying to get to you all night when y'all started taking calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		We're not getting the transmission right now in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But what I wanted to ask was, you know, the ionosphere has ions, you know, rapidly moving, and it does mutate human life on Earth from these cosmic rays naturally without the HAAR project.
unidentified		And I was wondering if the HAAR Project, you know, tried to deter the cosmic rays coming down to the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or would it enhance them if it shoots a hole in the ionosphere, in effect?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's going to open us up to even greater levels of exposure.
		And these are the levels of exposure that can be very, very damaging.
		In fact, if you think about it as a whole, that's one concept.
		One of the other ways it's been described to us, if they keep the ionospheric instrument operating for a number of hours, nothing stays stationary.
		I mean, the planet's moving, so what you're really doing is punching a hole and then ripping a tear in the ionosphere and allowing these cosmic radiations to enter the system.
		So if there's times when certain amounts, and there's always a certain amount that's going to pass through, but what we're trying to block out is the severe levels that otherwise would be entering our system, totally altering the genetic blueprint on the planet.
		And these are the kinds of risks that we're very concerned about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Beggich.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Yes, I'm trying to get through.
		Yeah, I'm first glad you're mentioning Nikolai Tesla because he should be given more credit.
		And most of the time, people don't even know how to pronounce his names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the doctor said this technology actually was based in its beginnings with Tesla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		I'm calling from Southern California.
		That's close to L.A. Yep.
		I want to ask you a question.
		Now, how about infrasonic effects?
		Would this all this electromagnetic pulsing and so forth cause sonic effects?
		I know there's some thought that they're damaging.
		And also, I used to study biomagnetic effects, and I think that's what he was talking about with the laser and so forth.
		And of course, they were just saying that rayon gas can be attracted by power lines, so I assume if there's radon gas around these antennas, you're really going to get an effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does any of that make sense to you, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		In terms of sound waves or sonic effects, we're not talking about the same thing here.
		We're talking about a radio frequency effect.
		In terms of crediting Tesla, he actually occupies a place in our subtitle.
		The subtitle is Advances in Tesla Technology.
		In terms of biomedical effects, yet we're talking about all of that in terms of sort of the positive applications of the base science that feeds this kind of weapon system.
		You know, really the flip side is the military has spent billions of dollars developing radio frequency weapons in various places across the country to damage health.
		Well, that same basic research, if it were released and open to the public, would advance electromedicine probably many decades, which otherwise is happening slowly by independent researchers, which is very, very unfortunate.
		In terms of radon gas, I really can't answer that part of the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, your turn with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Is this Larry M. Pomona?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KABC?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Just after hearing your last show you did with Nick, I heard out of San Diego there was a professor that got killed that was a professor of tectonics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, in San Diego, murdered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of that, yes.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that it relates to anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you've heard about that, Doctor.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we got quite a bit of information about that after it happened because people were asking the same question.
		He was from the University of Alaska, Fairbanks from the Geophysical Institute.
		He was a leading scientist.
		In all of the materials we reviewed, we did not see a correlation.
		However, we never did find out what specifically he intended to present in papers in California, which would have been interesting to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And was there a motive established or anybody caught for the murder?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no update on it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, not as far as we know.
		In all the press reports that we have, and we have some researchers that have kind of kept us abreast of that, one in Fairbanks and one in another location, Alaska, that keep kind of checking the reports on it and have checked periodically through the university.
		And it appears to be a random act of violence once again, but who knows?
		I mean, anything beyond that would really be highly speculative.
		We just don't see it.
		He was a brilliant man.
		We're sorry to see his passing.
		He was one of the fathers of the whole idea of plate tectonics, which has changed the way we view our world.
		And he'll be missed, I'm sure, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it may be about to change our world.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Beggett.
		Shine.
		Hello, Art.
		Hello, where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Fort Wayne, Indiana, listening to WGL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		My name is Elijah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And Art, can I ask you a favor first?
		Sure.
		Your show has gone off the air right now.
		They put an infomercial on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's getting late, yeah.
unidentified		So for the answer to my question, could you hold me on the line so I could hear?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask it.
unidentified		Nick, I'm not very familiar with this, but I have heard of studies regarding birds thought to have an extended perception of the electromagnetic spectrum when compared to our own, and speculating that they use the Earth's magnetic field to allow the navigation of their seasonal migrations.
		I had noticed this fall that flocks of birds were remaining here well into the fall, near even to the winter, and I even thought I saw a group of geese moving in a northerly direction, or at least one other than south, but assumed myself to be mistaken.
		When I heard this program, it caused me to wonder if HAARP and other similar projects globally could contribute to the disruption of ecosystems comprised of many various animals thought to use the electromagnetic spectrum in forms we cannot fully understand and survive.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you raised the point because it is raised in our book and there's some debate, as you said, about whether animals migrate based on orientation along magnetic lines or whether they migrate based upon gravity and light and other different kinds of orientations.
		There's strong, strong evidence that the case of orienting along magnetic lines is in fact the case.
		We raised this in our book.
		We raised it in fact even on the back cover where we talk about the fact that this kind of interference with naturally occurring magnetic lines of force and just the electromagnetics of the planet could in fact cause animal species migration patterns to be greatly disrupted, which for rural Alaskans is a very significant thing.
		For fishing fleets in the North Pacific would be significant in terms of salmon harvests, both which are already in big controversy.
		I mean there was a major controversy with British Columbia and the United States over salmon stocks because this last year's harvests were great in Alaska and horrible in BC.
		And so we don't know the answer, although they did detect in salmon brains magnetite, which is a magnetic mineral that as many believe is part of the switching system for salmon migration.
		So in fact, University of Alaska is actually studying this very thing with salmon to determine whether or not they might orient through geomagnetics.
		And if that's the case, this kind of system could greatly disrupt those patterns, which then affect not only those specific species in mankind, but also the entire, potentially the entire food chain that might be associated with those species.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's your answer, Caller.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call and the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hello from Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just want to make a comment, sort of a question.
		If we've got this technology, isn't it unrealistic to think that the other world powers would not have it?
		And assuming that we got into a world war, would the electromagnetic fields be able to be reflected or somehow taken out of commission?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, is there a defense against this kind of weapon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good question.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's take the first part in terms of the other world powers.
		There's an article that appeared that we got after publication of our book.
		It was published in the summer of 1993, and it referenced a front-page article on April 2nd in a circular In the Soviet Union, or in actually Russia, and I'm not sure how to pronounce it.
		I'm going to just massacre this word.
		They'll spell it.
		I-Z-V-E-S-T-I-A.
		Yep.
		And that's an official, was formerly an official Soviet government newspaper.
		On April 2nd of 93, they made an overture to the United States to join with them in their scientific research on SDI, on strategic defense initiatives, Star Wars weapons.
		And when I read this article, it was stunning because it actually, it's a ground-based Star Wars weapon system that talks about utilization of antenna arrays to generate 1 billion watts for the purpose of knocking out missiles by first being able to track them with the same system and then knock them out by creating a plasma in front of them that causes them to hit these enormous drag forces causing them to break up and
		basically crash.
		It also mentions biological effects and all of the effects that we've associated with HAARP in this article referencing this former Soviet news publication.
		So yeah, I think it's fair to say that these weapons exist on some level, certainly in the Soviet Union based on that and based on the earlier woodpecker technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, having said that then, go to the second part of the question that I asked.
		Would there be, assuming a high-powered harp was operating and aimed at us, would there be a defense against it?
		And if so, what would that be?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there's a couple of things that have come up.
		First of all, Phillips Laboratories, which is sort of the branch of the Air Force, that's actually where John Hascomb, excuse me, where Heckschert works at Hascomb Air Force Base, is at the same time as they're developing the HARP technologies or also developing what they call hardening technologies.
		When you go to Phillips Laboratory on the World Wide Web, you'll see a listing of their major projects, and you'll see a number of projects associated with hardening technologies to guard against electromagnetic radiations of high yields.
		In other words, we want to be able to protect against these kinds of systems.
		So the same lab that's developing HARP is also in part developing those technologies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, we've got to hold it there, and we'll finish up on this subject when we come back after the bottom of the hour.
		Very interesting.
		So we know, at least, the military would be protected.
		The next question is, what about the civilian population?
		And how do you use a weapon like this or have it without testing it?
		We'll be back.
unidentified		We'll be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, what I want to ask you is the following.
		Let us play devil's advocate for a moment and just say this technology absolutely does exist and that it may be used as a weapon.
		Would there be any way that a nation, our nation, any nation, would possess a weapon of this sort without using it, without determining that it would have the desired effect or as you put it, how did you put it?
		Proving the concept?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Proof of concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proof of concept, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be no way, would there, that you would have such a weapon untested?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I believe they've tested this type of technology.
		Normally, the ideal environment for testing this kind of weapon would be in a war scenario.
		And we've certainly had a number of minor conflicts from Panama to Grenada to Somalia to Bosnia, I mean, and on and on, the Gulf War.
		I believe that we've tested these types of weapons in those environments as they've become available to the military.
		And it's not just me saying this.
		Let's take the words of Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, and I'm just going to read a very short quote.
		It says, unhindered by the restraints of traditional values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control.
		Technical and scientific momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits.
		And what he was writing about was the introduction of new technologies for what he says are, quote, a more controlled and directed society, unquote.
		And this is exactly what we've been saying, is if they have it, will they use it?
		And I think the history shows clearly, and we lay out a number of those historical events in our book, that show that the government, when they've had technologies or wanted to try technologies, they've tested them, and they've even tested a number of their ideas on American people.
		And this is well recorded in the historical record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is well recorded in recent record, Doctor, as Hazel O'Leary has come forward, talked about giving plutonium or radioactive materials to children, older people, pregnant women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a government that would do that and admit it decades later, I cannot imagine would hesitate in this modern day and age of looser ethics and morality to test whatever they need to test.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we show in the book the CIA's testing of LSD on American servicemen with men without consent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well documented.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And there's, in fact, the document we drew from was a United States Senate report from June 1975, the report to the President by the Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States.
		It's a government document.
		It's cited in our book.
		Another example was the injection of radioactive iodine in native Alaskan populations.
		Currently, there's a $470 million lawsuit by Native groups in Alaska against the federal government for those experiments that took place in the United States in Alaska.
		There's also, in terms of wild science, the University of Alaska Fairbanks, the same university that's front-ending some of this project, entertained the Idea of using six thermonuclear detonations on the surface of the ground at Point Hope, Alaska, for excavating a bay.
		And this was scuttled.
		I mean, fortunately, it was scuttled by the three biological scientists associated with that project in the early 60s.
		And those scientists were blackballed from the academic community and only two years ago recognized by our state legislatures as the heroes that they indeed proved to be, because anyone contemplating that kind of a scheme today would be laughed right out of the room as being totally insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, and the funny thing is, Doctor, there was a day in this country when if you had told me that our government was feeding nuclear this or that to children or pregnant women, they would have been fighting words for me.
unidentified		You bet.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Literally, all of us feel that way, and we all feel a sense of betrayal when our government that's supposed to represent us has engaged in this kind of behavior.
		This is what we expect of the countries that we were in a Cold War with, and yet the same kind of things going on within this country is abominable.
		And the idea that they would continue along these lines, which I believe they have, and I think we prove it, lay it out very clearly in our work, that this is not science fiction.
		This is not something that we dreamed up.
		We have put together the source documents.
		We know it's the tip of a very large iceberg, but it is sufficient to cause anyone who reads this material to come to a conclusion that, hey, this deserves a public airing at a minimum.
		And at best, a moratorium on this science until we can really truly assess what we're about to embark on here in this technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I want to give you one more chance here.
		And I also want to do it to be careful because the last time you gave out the number to order your book, it caused havoc in Alaska.
		So let's give the number very, very carefully, please.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the ordering number is area code 907-249-9111.
		And the book is with fourth class freight at $16.45 with air priority, which gets you the book in three or four days.
		It is $17.95.
		If you dial that number, if you want to order by mail, it'll also give you the mailing address so you can do that.
		And that's how we operate.
		We operate on our own work, not on grants or anything like that.
		So anything that you do in that regard is very helpful to us.
		And I think you'll find the book quite compelling and quite interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, whoops, you would have been.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begitch.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		In recent years, a lot of UFO activity has seemed to be craft that aren't physical, but more like energy in the sky, flying in formation, et cetera, going together and coming apart.
		And do you think there could be any relation between that and HAARP?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say that's kind of a reach.
		There have been many, many reports of the kinds of craft, or I don't even know if you'd call them craft, sightings of what appear to be energy masses moving together and moving apart.
		He's right about that.
		But a relationship to HAARP, do you see any way?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		There has been some unusual atmospheric observations up near the site, nothing like that, however.
		What there was at one point observed, there was a barium rocket launch that basically allows you to see the magnetic lines of force.
		And then what they saw around the magnetic line of force was a coil formation, energy formation, which is exactly what is diagrammed in one of Bernard Eastland's diagrams that we used in the back of our book to demonstrate cyclotron resonance flowing the opposite direction of the energy flow in the magnetic line of force.
		Magnetic line is a full force moving from south to north, and yet this coiled spring moves just the opposite direction, which is what eventually would give the military this global shielding effect that they're looking for at higher energy levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, your turn with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art, I'd like to say hi to you and to Nick.
unidentified		I'm Bob in Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		Art, I'd like to criticize both of you guys for one thing, and I'd like to exalt you guys and give you credit in another.
unidentified		Is that okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You guys are trying to get information that should stay in the hands of people that you know are our friends.
		See?
		In other words, that's why a guy should not come on the show and let you pick him and open him up and give that information out to the enemy.
		But you guys are sharp.
		Both of you guys are.
		You're knowledgeable.
		But think about it.
		I mean, we've got a lot of problems out here on this earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I guess here's the way I would respond to it.
		The secrets that we may or may not be discussing or disclosing here are surely known and have been known to our enemy long before they are now known to the American public.
		Would you agree with that, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't think we're giving the enemy anything.
		I think that we're giving the people something, and that's information that both sides have had for a long time.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing, Art?
unidentified		This is Mr. Nomad calling from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've got a question for you guys.
unidentified		Look at my C-Crane catalog, and they offer an ELF-VLF natural radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And it picks up disturbances in the Earth's magnetosphere that you can listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can actually listen to the sounds of the Earth, and I must tell you, I have one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the sounds made by the Earth are somewhat disgusting.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could describe it as, it almost sounds like the Earth has gas.
unidentified		You think this might be caused by the Hart Project?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's caused by...
		I'm just describing the sound here, and it's a very odd sound.
		It's a receiver worth getting if you're interested, particularly with the kind of earth movements that we've been getting lately.
unidentified		But any comment as to whether the HARP project might affect any of these?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, it's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, Doctor, with a receiver of that sort, designed to listen to ELF frequencies, if HAARP were turned on at a certain power level, or reflections from HARP were coming down an area where you had a receiver like this, would it be swamped?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think that you might be able to distinguish a man-made signal from a natural, because a natural is not going to be coherent or rhythmic or create a beat that would be noticeable.
		Like the woodpecker, everyone remembers, that's why it got its name, because of that noise, that pecking kind of noise.
		So I think if it was a man-made signal, you would see something more coherent.
		And that would probably distinguish it from something natural, but it would have to be within the range of whatever that device is designed to pick up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there'd be some sort of identifiable rhythm.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, no, that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art, and good morning, Dr. Begich.
		A couple of questions.
		First, is the HAARP project basically a phased array?
		Yes.
		Okay, great.
		That means that you can sort of electronically aim it in any direction that you want to.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And also that the focusing properties would come from that.
		Absolutely.
		Okay, the second question is, last time you were on the program, Doctor, you mentioned the development of a white noise screen.
		Yes.
		Any progress?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It has been developed.
		It's not being produced as of yet.
		Everyone that's on our mailing list, which is everyone that's ever bought a book from us, will have access to that as soon as it's available.
		And we'll also make it known to Art that it is available when it is on the market.
		I've gotten an opportunity to meet with Patrick Flanning and talk with Patrick about the devices.
		The technology is there.
		He's got a prototype of a personal device for that purpose.
		And the home unit is just a basic principle applied on a little level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that brings me to a question, Doctor.
		Thank you, caller.
		Good question.
		What kind of levels of white noise generation per millimeter do you think you would need to Let me describe it the way he described it to me, okay, because again, we're moving out of my area, but let me describe it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		First of all, for the kinds of things that we'd be protecting against would be ELF in terms of the kinds of ELF power densities that would be relatively low, the kind that would be affecting, say, behavior and health.
		And also, this would also guard against ELF generated from other sources, not necessarily just HARP.
		But we're talking about those power line transmissions and that kind of ELF generation.
		And what he described, I'll describe the circuit because how it matches up, that is getting out of my area again, but let me describe it as he described it to me.
		And people with electronics background would be able to figure out how to build one of these if they wanted to build one on their own.
		What he envisioned was, first of all, a white noise generator, which sounds like, of course, the noise between radio stations when you're flipping through the dial, more or less.
		But taking the leads off of the device that go to the speaker, take those leads off and take those leads and attach them to the input side of a power amplifier.
		On the output side of the power amplifier, connect a conductor and loop that conductor around the area that you want to protect.
		And you have to make sure everything matches so you get the circuit to work correctly.
		But what it'll do is it'll create a field of what will happen there is it keeps the ELF from locking on to a biological system like a human being.
		So what happens is it's still going to be there, but it's not going to be able to lock on to you, so it's not going to be able to alter anything about your body chemistry.
		Now the white noise generator isn't throwing a signal into you that's doing something to you.
		It's just dissipating it basically so it can't lock on.
		And that's what you want to happen.
		You don't want it to lock on to where you start basically kind of moving with that ELF, which is then what begins to create these varying effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The critical question though would be how much of a white noise generator in terms of output would you need to neutralize whatever was coming in and you'd need to know what was coming in and that signal strength before you could determine that.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		And that's, you know, the basic design that Patrick described would have a reasonably high output to block, but exactly how that configures, it's, again, it's stretching out of my area of expertise.
		But that's how he described the circuit.
		People who have some knowledge of electronics would be able to build a device, but at very high power densities, obviously, you're not going to be able to block it.
		But the kind of power densities that are most likely to be applied to affect mood and behavior are going to be relatively low, because we know they don't need to be that high.
		They just have to be coherent.
		And I would assume the military would want as much reach or bang for the buck as they could get with this least amount of power expended, at least for that particular kind of application.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very good.
		We may have time for one more.
		Let's do it.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, how are you?
		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Marysville, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The reason I'm calling is several months ago I listened to your program and there was a big power outage across the western United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall it well.
unidentified		Yes, and that's the first time I think someone referred to HAARP that night.
unidentified		I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Is there any connection?
		You know, it's again one of those questions that comes up.
		Now, during that particular period of time, there was a scheduled test of HAARP, but whether or not it was firing at that specific moment where we started having those power outages, again, without that independent monitoring, we can't answer the question.
		We know that it was scheduled to be firing during that period, but it's intermittent.
		It's not always kept on continuously.
		And without that independent monitoring, we cannot make those statements that says, hey, this was it.
		Could it have been?
		Absolutely.
		With what we know, it could have been.
		But we just don't have enough independent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting theory, though, because I'm well aware of the fact that during intense magnetic storms, entire power grids are overloaded, breakers go, lots of things go down.
		A magnetic storm disruption on the sun can cause voltage spikes in long lines that absolutely blow your mind.
		And if HARP indeed is a small leverage for a big occurrence, then it's not beyond reason, is it?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And this is the kind of thing that was attributed to the Woodpecker signal happening at one point in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, we could go on forever, but we can't.
		We're out of time.
		This show is officially Dinny.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thank you for having me on again.
		And I just want to thank all of those that have stayed with us this five hours.
		It's been a great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Doctor.
		And good night.
		Thank you for being so persistent and hanging in there with us.
		Those of you who would like a copy of this program, there was so much material, can get it by calling 1-800-917-4278.
		Don't forget the newsletter.
		It's going to have the next issue coming up.
		It's going to be all about HAARP with photographs.
		That also you can order at 1-800-917-4278.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.

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