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Feb. 16, 1996 - Art Bell
03:00:53
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Nick Begich - HAARP
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From the high deserts and the great American southwest, I'm I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be across all these many time zones stretching from Tahiti and the Hawaiian Islands all the way across flyover country.
Most of us.
East to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
Gosh, I got it right.
South down into South America.
We know that for sure.
And north all the way to the poles.
With a good antenna.
This is Coast to Coast AM live, overnight talk radio, that will not... ...holotick you to death tonight.
Because we're gonna do something a little different.
Have you heard about harp?
Do you know what harp is?
Well, the one we're talking about is not played by angels... ...nor administered by them.
I'll tell you more about that in a moment.
My guest is going to be Dr. Nick Begich.
And he wrote a book, actually by the same name, called Angels Don't Play This Harp.
And I'll explain in great detail why we're having Dr. Begich on again, besides the fact that so many affiliates have joined since his last appearance.
But I've got a number of things that I've got to get out to you of some urgency.
I got a very troubled call earlier today.
And by the way, it has been a very, very, very, very unusual day, and I can't tell you about it.
Someday I'll be able to.
But it has been a most astounding day, to say the least.
I got a very, I'm even trying to think of the right word, frantic, worried, concerned call from Bud Hopkins.
You should know Bud Hopkins as one of the premier Investigators, UFO investigators in the world, author of The Million-Selling Intruders and Missing Time.
Bud Hopkins called me from New York and he said that he had been talked into doing a science program, a supposed science program, for public broadcasting's Nova.
And according to Bud, Bud Hopkins and John Mack from Harvard University are about to get slammed again.
And apparently what occurred is that the NOVA people set him up.
And what they anticipate is a hit piece in about a week on NOVA.
And Bud definitely wanted to get some air time to tell you what it is they're going to do before they do it.
And I have offered that to him, and so he will be here Monday night, Monday evening.
Bud Hopkins.
A very, very angry, very upset Bud Hopkins.
Perhaps by then he will cool, but I didn't get that sense at all.
So that's coming up, kind of on the eclectic side, probably for at least a couple hours, I would guess, on Monday.
Then we'll dive into the coming Of course, then we'll be into Tuesday morning by that time, and we'll be into politics, I'm sure, with the New Hampshire primary.
In the meantime, I'll not miss it that much.
You all pretty well know what's going on.
You know about the tight race going on in New Hampshire.
And there's not a lot more to say about it than that right now.
We said most of that last night.
Now, I've got another little notice for you here.
Whether or not you are aware of it, there have been mammoth quakes going on.
And when I say mammoth, I mean as in many.
And I'm going to give you a readout of how many earthquakes have been occurring in the mammoth area.
And this will shock you.
These are not gigantic magnitude earthquakes.
13 February 96.
February 96 in 24 hours there were 34 registered earthquakes average magnitude
1.5 high magnitude 2.3 on 14 February of 96 there were 20 of it make that 54
earthquakes averaging 1.6 with a high magnitude of 2.5 then 15 Feb 78
earthquakes.
Average 1.2, high magnitude 3.5, 16 feb, not as many, 40, but averaging higher, 3.5 once again.
So, the person who sent me this fax, Dale in Campbell, said the frequency of quakes is less, depth roughly the same, average magnitude is greater, high magnitude is about the same.
Then I received, and I have no way of verifying this except that I believe it to be true, and I have a second source on it.
Dear Art, KNBC Television, Los Angeles, announced on its 4 p.m.
newscast that the USGS, that's a USGS, had declared a volcanic event alert.
For the Mammoth Lakes area following a, quote, swarm, end quote, of earthquakes occurring over the past week.
So, I have never heard of that.
A volcanic event alert.
Now, when you consider that language, it's kind of interesting.
A volcanic event alert.
There's going to be a volcanic, or maybe a volcanic event, at Mammoth Lakes.
Interesting.
So I thought you should hear about all of that.
And again, even though I've got two sources on it, it's one in by fax and another that came in by telephone prior to the, about five minutes prior to showtime tonight.
Now, there's one other thing that I want to get out before we go to Dr. Begich, actually, a couple more.
This'll surprise you.
From Reuters, the World Health Organization says 15 people have died in the West African state of Gabon, possibly of the dreaded Ebola disease, after skinning a chimpanzee to cook it for a meal.
Officials say four other Gabonese villagers, who'd taken part in preparing the feast, became seriously ill in a hospital In the town of Makoku, that's M-A-K-O-K-O-U, about 240 miles east of the capital, Ebola killed 244 people in Zaire, you'll recall recently.
So, again, this is Reuters, and it may well be that Ebola is uh... lose again in africa uh... we don't know at this point but uh... certainly that report would suggest so that was from reuters so that you know the source now uh... i've got just a couple of things i want to do and then i want to get clear sailing for uh... dr baggage we have a very special special for you on my book i wrote a book called the art of talk
As you know, over the last, I don't know, month almost, I've not really even been advertising it for a very specific reason.
We thought we were running out.
And now we've got a special going on.
I did make one error.
It is not an 8x10, but rather a 5x7.
And we held the size of the glossy photo at a 5x7 so that we could get it chipped with the book.
Because we were afraid that uh... shipping it to you in some other way
either a it would not arrive with the book uh... or b it would uh... get mangled in the shipping
process the audio book is out
that's right you can order my audio book it's four and a half hours long i did
the reading i did all four and a half hours of it thank you
you can order my book book or my audio book and with both of those
you will receive the five by seven signed glossy color photograph
that appeared in the los angeles times It is only for this special edition and it is only until I say supplies are exhausted or until March 16th, the date of the signing.
I expect we'll not be able to go that long.
I rather expect we will exhaust supplies Some long time before that, but we'll see.
We'll see.
If you would like to order my book and get the audio or my regular book and get that signed 5x7 color picture,
the magic number to call right now or 24 hours a day is 1-800-864-7991.
That's 1-800-864-7991.
And the publishers have done a fantastic job of getting this audio book together.
Just absolutely astounding.
It has a cover, by the way, for those of you that don't know, that matches my book cover.
It's really beautiful, and it's a nice tape collection set, and it was all done with digital audio, so I think you're really going to enjoy it.
Actually, I sound kind of like I do on the air, doing the book.
That would make sense, wouldn't it?
So, there you've got it.
One time shot in this special edition.
A good time to order the book.
We also have a very special edition of the newsletter coming out with an article by Dr. Nick Begich.
This is one you're not going to want to miss, and after we've been doing the program for a while, I'll be telling you more about that.
At any rate, Dr. Begich has written He has written about HAARP, and he'll tell you what HAARP stands for.
We did a four or five hour program with Dr. Biggage not that long ago, and during that program, a lot of people suddenly came awake as they realized what it is that HAARP actually is.
I had occasion to speak with the program manager of HAARP in Boston.
I spoke with John Heckscherer, that's H-E-C-K-S-C-H-E-R, and I did so because we're doing an article after the very, very controversial, fascinating show we did with Dr. Begich on the HAARP project in Alaska, which is ostensibly in what's called an ionospheric heater, and we'll try and keep this all at ground level and explain to you what it is.
Sounds like science fiction, but it's not, it's science fact.
And since we're going to do an article for the newsletter, I called John in Boston.
And I spent about thirty minutes on the phone.
I'm going to allow portions of that conversation to unwind in the course of the conversation with Dr. Begich.
But I did want to tell you this right off the get-go so you know.
I offered the opportunity to come on the radio and be interviewed solely by me in a non-contentious opportunity for him to present his side of the story.
Now, Arguably, HAARP has had some fairly seriously bad press.
Bad press.
A number of newspaper articles, television stories, on and on.
And it's been some fairly bad press.
At any rate, Mr. Heckscher checked with his bosses.
Now, I don't know who they'd be, because he is the program manager of HAARP, but the Air Force, you see, is also involved in HAARP.
And so, I don't know whether that means the Air Force is his boss.
He never named who his boss was.
I thought he was the boss.
But, he came back to me and said, no, they, quotes, don't want me to go on the air.
They won't let me go on the air.
So, that's the answer I got to that question, and that so provoked me that I thought I better have Dr. Begich back, and the rest of the talk I had with him was so provocative that I thought I better have Dr. Begich back.
Now, who is Dr. Begich?
He is the eldest son of the late United States Congressman from Alaska, Nick Begich Sr.
And political activist Peggy Begich, known in Alaska for his own activities.
He is a past president of the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education.
He's been pursuing independent research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult life.
He received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for the Complementary Medicines in November of 1994.
The first major story on the HAARP project published in October of 94 in Nexus, an international magazine based in Australia, where Stan is.
His research files on the project and related technologies include more than 400 documents spanning 80 years of technological developments.
That is Dr. Begich.
Nick, we, I guess, could call him.
And so what I'm going to do is bring him up right now, Dr. Begich.
Hello, how are you this evening?
Oh, it's good to have you back, Nick.
I guess the way to begin this, and I'm going to let, as I said, the conversation I had with John Heckscher kind of unwind here as we go, but for the uninitiated, we've got a lot of new radio stations.
You are now in Anchorage?
Yes.
Okay, for the uninitiated, what is H.A.R.P.?
H.A.R.P.
is an acronym for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project, which is a jointly managed project between the Air Force and Navy that's being sort of front-ended a little bit by the Geophysical Institute, the University of Alaska Fairbanks, and it's designed, it's a system, really it's a proof of concept or a prototypical weapons system that's being Operated here in Alaska.
It's in its first phase of operation.
First power level which has an effective radiated power of up to 1 billion watts, 1 gigawatt.
That's what it's designed to handle.
They've been running it at about a third of its potential and they're getting ready to initiate some additional tests here in March.
Doctor, how long has it been running at a third?
What I understand is it's been running since December 15th, 1994 is when they fired it up the first time, and it's run intermittently with what they call campaigns, which are periods of time where they run specific tests.
The first year or so primarily they were dealing with the whole issue of Getting the circuits all to work correctly, getting the system to integrate correctly, and then they began more serious testing going into last fall and going into this year.
All right, Doctor, there are a lot of computer types out there.
If you happen to know, there is a web page on the internet, is there not, where there are photographs available of the HAARP antenna arrays?
Yes.
I would like to give that out now, if you have it, just so the computer people during the course of the show can go up and download and take a look at the antenna arrays that comprise the HAARP project.
I have one of the photographs.
It's amazing.
Okay, if they just do a quick web search using one of the basic I think that is a good thing. It is a good thing to have a
good job of it. It is a good thing to have a good job of it. It is a good thing to have
a good job of it.
I think that is a good thing to have a good job of it.
gigantic field of antennas
How big an array of antennas is it, Doctor?
Okay, right now it's a field that's about five, six acres of actual land that's taken up by this array.
well array and it's designed modularly so they can expand it in the in fact on
the books there's a contract that was led
uh... for the second phase of of the project which expands it in power levels
uh... for forum uh... point seven times more power than uh... the peak
power levels the current array of configured for the that particular aspect of the
project has not been funded but the contract
i'm was led at the same time So, in other words, it's a big physical facility.
All right, Doctor, stand by.
We'll get much more in this next half hour.
Doctor Nick Begich is here.
Angels don't play this harp.
We'll be right back.
This is the end of side one.
The earthquake, uh, that we believe has occurred, has occurred near Indonesia, close to New Guinea.
Uh, and if the information I have is correct, I'm almost afraid to read it.
Because of now the known location, good lord.
This would be, uh, precisely as predicted by our friend Mr. Scallion.
I'm going to read you what I have.
If it's inaccurate, somebody will probably hang me.
The Alaska Tsunami Warning Center, NOAA, has issued the following.
This is a tsunami advisory bulletin for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and California only.
At this time, repeat no watch or warning is in effect for Alaska British Columbia Washington Oregon or California an earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 8.0 occurred at 2100 AST I don't know if that's Asian Standard Time on Feb 16th or 2200 Pacific Standard Time February 16th so in other words at about 10 o'clock this occurred 0600 UTC
On February 17th.
The earthquake was located in the general area of West I-R-I-A-N.
Orion?
Could it be?
Arian?
Irian?
I'm not sure.
I'm told it's Indonesia close to New Guinea.
The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center at Ewa Beach in Hawaii has issued a tsunami warning and watch.
For the epicentral area, in other words, and it says, it goes on evaluation, a damaging Pacific-wide tsunami may have been generated.
You'll be kept informed at least hourly by further bulletins from the Alaska Tsunami Warning Center.
So we're going to try to get all this confirmed for you.
It goes on, a tsunami warning and watch is now in effect for Ayal, Yap, Guam, the Chukchuk, and the Philippines.
A tsunami watch is in effect for Japan, Taiwan, the Marshall Islands, Marcus Islands, Wake
Islands, and Russia.
So that's very, very sobering news, if it's true.
And I warn you at this time, though, what I have appears official, and we have made one call.
I still want more information on it.
But an eight-point quake, ladies and gentlemen, falling in the area near Indonesia, close to New Guinea, I'm afraid would fit squarely in with the pattern that we have been hoping not to see.
Particularly quakes of this magnitude.
Dr. Begich, I would like to apologize to you.
I'm getting all this information hitting me all at once here, and I'm trying to get it on the air.
An eight-point earthquake, as you're well aware, I'm sure, Doctor, is a serious event.
Yeah, in fact, I went through one of those in the Alaskan earthquake in 1964, so it is a real serious event.
There was another eight-point earthquake, Doctor, north of Japan.
It seems like now about a month ago.
And we were hoping not to see one of this magnitude in the southern Pacific area, where this appears now to have occurred, if it's correct.
At any rate, back to the subject at hand.
We discussed what this is.
It's acres of antenna.
Antennae, I guess?
That is designed to transmit specifically a very narrow beamwidth, incredibly strong signal to our ionosphere.
Doctor, what is our ionosphere?
It can be visualized simply as an energy bubble around the planet that keeps incoming radiations of various kinds that would be damaging to us, like x-rays and cosmic rays, from entering our immediate environment where they would make life impossible on the planet.
So it actually can be visualized as a protective layer.
It's approximately 50 to 620 miles above the Earth's surface.
and it you know it is in fact um... you might consider it a a naturally
occurring safety shield around the planet would probably be the easiest way
to describe it. Did you say fifty to six hundred and fifty miles?
uh... yes above the earth's surface well that's remarkable uh...
We have satellites that orbit the Earth at about 250 miles, don't we?
Yes.
Low-orbiting satellites?
Yes.
So the ionospheric layer extends well into what is space?
More or less.
when you look at the way it's diagram in fact we show a diagram that comes right
out of the uh...
air force record that's in the front end of our book it kind of lays it out in a
in a few different layers and i'm i'm turning to that as i'm talking to you
and it will lays out uh... the ionospheric layering and what you see
essentially is the regions are broken into three areas the lower region
actually thirty seven to fifty six uh... miles up at the uh...
area where we see the aurora or the northern lights if they're called and
you have the e-layer which is uh... approximately fifty six to ninety three
miles not been and the f layer which is the uh... higher
ionospheric region which runs all the way up to six hundred and twenty-five
nori i'm making you I actually do understand this.
I'm doing it for their sake.
I've been an amateur radio operator since I've been 12 years old.
And I depended on those various layers of the ionosphere for communications.
In fact, I almost prayed to them at times.
And when the sunspot cycle is in a favorable portion of that cycle, we get F-layer reflection, which
being the highest layer, of course if you go up, you can go down and come
in one hop, literally, almost, to the other side of the world. And it makes for a very efficient,
long-range communication when we have a favorable sunspot cycle.
So that's what Hams use it for.
The military also uses it.
I suppose not to the degree they once did.
They've got a lot of satellites up there now.
But they use it.
Shortwave broadcasters use it.
That's how we're able to hear these signals that come from the other side of the world reliably on shortwave.
So, Doctor, when they turn this on, what are they endeavoring to do?
What do they want to do?
There's a number of differing effects that they can realize with these ionosphere heaters, is what the military calls these large radio frequency transmitters.
And one of the effects, in fact the first effect they identified as the Department of Defense A fact is to modulate or cause the ionosphere to vibrate in a certain way that causes an extremely low frequency signal to come back to the Earth which they can manipulate for the purpose of communicating with submarines because that long wave will penetrate the Earth and the oceans to reach submarines.
And that was the initial discussion, at least the public discussion about what this particular device was going to be used for.
Later, they revealed an additional use, which was earth-penetrating tomography.
This is the idea, in the vernacular, it would be like an X-ring.
The earth, we're looking into the earth several kilometers deep, and with instruments on the ground sending this extremely low signal in, They can actually locate underground tunnels, nuclear facilities, shelters, mineral deposits of various kinds, and this is actually the testing mode that they're in for the 1996 year, because what happened when they went to the Congress and they talked about this particular application, the Congress says, hey, wait a minute, this is a major priority of the United States Senate, United States House, we want you to make it a top priority, or at least a higher priority in your program, which they did,
uh... they made the priority for this whole year and in order to get their
additional funding for their second phase they had to do that that was
actually in the uh...
uh... sort of a narrative of the uh... senate report on this budget item
the additional things that that we find on that there is that they will be doing
is is creating uh... ionospheric mirrors which um... can be visualized as
sort of um...
an energy layer of uh... layer of uh... uh...
plasma that can be manipulated like a hand mirror to bounce signals off of
uh... for over the horizon radar effects And that particular over-the-horizon radar effect shows up in a couple of patents that are associated with this project.
And those radar effects will allow them to look from essentially the ionospheric levels all the way down to the Earth's surface for incoming objects, including cruise missiles.
The other thing they can do by cranking the power up a little bit on this device, they can create an energy field around those incoming objects and distinguish which ones are carrying nuclear payloads and which ones aren't.
That's astounding.
How could such detail be forthcoming?
I'm not sure how the mechanism itself works.
We cite the patents and we went through them and had a radio engineer go through those And explain to us exactly what they mean, but it's a remarkable technology.
They even invented, for this specific application, the company that originally owned all these patents, commissioned a group of Israeli scientists just outside of Tel Aviv to develop a gamma ray detection device that actually is used for distinguishing between those incoming objects for detecting which ones are carrying nuclear payloads.
And why that's important is, in a nuclear attack, they always imagined a large number, like maybe 100,000 incoming objects, and we don't have the capacity to take out every object with certainty, but if we could reduce that number to just the targets that are carrying nuclear warheads, our ability to knock those targets out would be significantly enhanced.
This technology, in this respect, is certainly a huge advancement over previous over-the-horizon radar technologies.
In fact, the site this sits on is the abandoned over-the-horizon radar facility called Backscatter.
I'm well familiar with Backscatter, as a matter of fact.
Doctor, I want to interrupt you for just a moment if I might.
Again, this is very serious information, and I can only depend on these varying people reporting this.
Gerard, I just called the Tsunami Warning Center in Palmer.
It is true, 8.0 on the Richter scale near New Guinea.
That's from the Tsunami Warning Center in Palmer, Alaska.
Or this from Gene at Big Lake, Alaska.
Art, just verified your quake info.
Your information is exactly correct for the Alaska Tsunami Warning Center, Palmer, Alaska.
So, everybody within the sound of my voice, be warned, this apparently is a real Great.
earthquake and the tsunami alerts and warnings being issued are exactly correct so there has been a major
earthquake near new guinea
uh... doctor again thank you for your patience but uh...
that's not a problem confirming that and uh... believe it or not we're heard way
out there so we may do somebody some good
uh...
i spoke i heard you a little earlier right before the bottom of the hour
you used the word now that's when i had my conversation with john uh...
uh... the other day the uh... john hasher the uh... heart program manager
uh... he calls himself or his title i guess he is yes uh... he
absolutely bristled uh... when i ate use the same word a weapon
It is not a weapon, he said, this is simple research being done for the Air Force to determine i'm a spirit
characteristics for furthering better satellite communications and ground
communications and so forth
but bristle absolutely bristled when i use that word weapon
uh... how how would you substantiate uh...
the use of that word or how how would you justify the use of that
well i think it uh... a careful review of the patent materials uh... themselves
leave no other conclusion, quite frankly.
When you look at it from his perspective, and you look at the way he structures his written materials, and we've got a pretty good volume of the written materials on the project.
What they essentially do is they call this a proof-of-concept project, where they're really just trying to prove certain things are true and work.
But that is the precursor.
Isn't that what the atomic bomb was?
Exactly!
I mean, you can split some fine hairs here, and he does a really masterful job of it.
I grew up in a political family, and I thought politicians had the franchise on On wordsmithing, but I really found in researching this project, the military's got one up on political folks.
They really want to keep it in that vein, at least perceived by the public, as, oh, don't worry, we're just doing simple research.
But, you know, the military doesn't do simple research in the sense of not for just pure science purposes.
They're researching for the basic application of this technology to very specific weapon systems.
You know, when you talk about over-the-horizon radar and distinguishing between objects and communicating, you know, those are all integrated parts of the system.
When you look at it in terms of higher power levels, using that same over-the-horizon concept, and you get it up above the power level for just identifying incoming objects in terms of payload, you can actually increase the energy level so you can burn out electronic circuits.
and the energy levels necessary to do that are documented in a record that we found which was an
international document by the international red cross
that was looking at uh... the implications of new weapons technologies
international on it was written in june in ninety four
it's cited in our book it lays out the frequency ranges for biological effects
or bit errors in computers causing computers to malfunction and burning
electronic circuits and we had doctor doctor that's the same
thing as an
uh... or the same effect as an e m p now in the mp is electronic
Electromagnetic pulse.
Right, and that is what is described in some of these patents.
Yes, but what I was going to say is previously to achieve that, I believe the theory, or in fact it may have been proven, is that you detonate a nuclear weapon at high altitude and the pulse that emanates from it would destroy computers as you have described.
That's right.
Now you're saying HAARP can do that without a nuclear detonation?
That's right, and it's spoken to right in the patents.
The beauty of it from a military perspective is you don't have the radioactive fallout.
But from a practical standpoint, and then people remember these reports, you know, numbers of years ago where they were saying, you know, one thermonuclear blast above the United States just knock out all our communications and electronic equipment and making, you know, the nuclear war just sort of end on us.
And, you know, this technology advances that whole idea much, much further.
Now, granted, this particular HAARP transmitter at its current stage couldn't do it over a very, very large area, like was envisioned in those early reports of thermonuclear detonation.
But where they're headed with this technology, what our information shows, and it's not just ours.
We just collected it.
It's their record.
It's their statement.
And it shows that the power levels that they desire this system to go up to, at some juncture, is 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
100 billion watts.
That's correct.
And that shows up in a technical memorandum 195, which John Heckscher denies knowing anything about.
Alright, well here I want to stop you again.
Back to my conversation with John.
We talked about power levels, and John said why what we're doing is no more power than the voice of America.
You don't buy that one, huh?
No, I'm afraid not.
I lived on the island of Okinawa, Doctor, and I remember a million-watt transmitter, a million-watt transmitter, which was one of the biggest I knew about, operating on the island of Okinawa.
And that would bother people and fences, electrify fences and turn on lights in villages nearby and so on and so on, aimed toward Korea, you know, propagandizing Korea.
And that was a million watts, and you did say, I did hear you right, that was a hundred billion, with a B, watts?
Yes, and where we drew this from is from the, this Technical Memorandum 195.
An interesting part about this particular document is it's, first of all, it's 613 pages, which is, you know, pretty darn long memorandum by anybody's standards, but maybe not for bureaucracy, but it's a long memorandum.
but what it actually is that the overheads of you grab and uh...
note that were compiled from uh... conference that was laying out the
specifications for the heart program
and invited guests of uh... the military included like eighty different
organization and what they did
in this is a put together the perimeters and then on the front end of this
document which incidentally was edited by uh... a major in the air force
Doctor, hold that.
It's a good hold point anyway.
We're at the top of the hour.
Relax for a few minutes.
We'll be right back to you.
Dr. Nick Begich is my guest.
Angels do not play this harp.
This is a video of a young man playing this harp.
He is playing the harp in a very different way.
That's 702-727-1295.
First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
That's 702-727-1295.
702-727-1222.
First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
702-727-1222.
Now, here again, Art Bell.
Here again I am, with continuing apologies to Dr. Begich for stealing his time.
Fortunately, with radio, we've got a lot of time.
There's some things I'm going to have to catch you up on quickly here.
Somebody sent me a fax.
It hits the mark.
All right, hang in there, buddy.
You're in the right place at the right time for the right reason.
It gets scary as hell at times, but I'm also sure you've been through scary times before.
I read your book.
Talk to you soon.
Larry in Medford.
Well, Larry's right, and I'm just gonna read you sort of a combination of what I've got here, alright?
We began the, uh...
We've got a program this morning confirming a volcano hazard for the Mammoth Lake area in California.
And I'll read you what I've got as confirmation now.
Dear Art, on Fox TV channel, on the Fox TV network, 10 o'clock news, transcribed from the tape we recorded, USGS says the recent earth movement and other signs of unrest around Mammoth Lake Prompted them to issue, get this, a low level, what they call a low level volcano hazards alert.
Officials emphasize there is no indication of an imminent eruption.
We called USGS Hotline in Menlo Park in the past 24-hour period, ending at 8 a.m.
Friday, 2-16, 75 earthquakes in the Northern and Central California area, 14 of a magnitude equal or larger than 2 in the Mammoth Lake area, 4 magnitude 3 or larger, largest 3.7.
So thank you for that.
Then comes this.
Art, information, I guess I better read the official version first.
This is very serious stuff.
In the area of Indonesia, which is a very, frankly, uncomfortable area to have this happen, there has been, near New Guinea, a magnitude 8 or greater earthquake in the last couple of hours.
Magnitude 8 or greater.
And the following is a tsunami advisory bulletin for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and California only.
At this time, no, repeat, no watch or warning is in effect for Alaska, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, or California.
This is only an advisory.
An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 8.0 occurred at, and I'll simplify it by telling you, that it was about 10 o'clock Pacific time tonight.
It occurred once again near New Guinea.
And then this...
This bulletin is for all areas of the Pacific Basin, except California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and Alaska.
A tsunami warning and watch are now in effect for the Yap area, Guam, Chuuk, I'm probably slaughtering that, the Philippines.
A tsunami watch is in effect for Japan, Taiwan, the Marshall Islands, Marcos Islands, Wake Island, and Russia.
And, frankly, when I got this, as you might imagine, I was sitting on it, afraid to read it, but now I've got tons of confirming faxes.
This one, for example.
Get this!
Art, information received from a UMIB, Urgent Marine Information Bulletin, out of Kodiak, Alaska.
U.S.
The U.S. Coast Guard is now putting the magnitude at 8.2 and the coordinates at dot 5, that's .5 north, and 137
degrees east.
If you get any information on depth, would you please relay it?
Could be very useful in figuring if a tsunami watch or warning might be issued for the west coast of the U.S.
Thanks for always keeping us up to the second with breaking news.
Please don't use my name as the information I'm giving you was received from official sources, so I will not.
From Aaron in Carson City, Great Show Art, off the subject, Mammoth Lakes has had several earthquake swarms of large enough magnitude, they're little ones, almost constantly, that USGS today issued a low-level volcano warning for the area.
They've always said, the next new volcano on this continent will be in the Mammoth area.
Maybe soon.
So, that catches you up with what I know to the hour.
Obviously, the news services have not caught up with it yet, but I believe, based on the volume of faxes and confirming information, that this gigantic earthquake has occurred, and there are tsunami watches and, depending on where you are, concerns.
So, we're going to continue monitoring this for reasons that those of you who listen to the show are well aware of.
And I'll try to keep you up to date as I get information.
Dr. Begich is my guest.
You wouldn't know it by the amount of talking I'm doing.
I'm sorry, this is all breaking news.
And we're talking about harp as well.
And there may be, we will ask, with regard to the weather certainly, and possibly areas like this.
We'll ask the doctor in a moment about that.
Dr. Begich, are you still there?
You bet, I'm with ya.
I was afraid you might have fallen asleep during all that.
Doctor, just let me get your reaction to this, if I might.
This breaking news of all these earthquakes, volcanic, possible volcano warnings of all things in the mammoth area.
There is a great deal of geologic activity going on on the Earth right now.
Now, I know this is not your field of expertise, but maybe you'd wish to comment on it.
Yeah, I would actually.
You know, this has come up periodically as we've spoken about the Heart Project The issue of a destabilized Earth, if you will, that all of us, anyone who's been following the news for any length of time, recognizes that in fact the Earth has demonstrated releases of energy in a number of ways most recently, if you look historically in the last
Decade, the increase in frequency, magnitude and depth of earthquake activity is there, well documented.
No one can argue with that.
If you look at anomalous weather patterns in terms of intensity of weather, and not just in the United States, but globally around the world.
And then if you look at one other factor, the heights of the North Sea, which have been measured for over 30 years.
Each of these things we document actually in our book.
It's a demonstration that the Earth is undergoing some major changes because this is the way the Earth generates an energy release.
Part of our concern with the heart project is we are about to dump unprecedented levels
of energy into a system that is already demonstrating that it is disturbed, perturbed, however you
want to call it.
Our concern is that maybe this is that last straw on this camel's back that is going to
put us into a very, very chaotic situation.
In fact, the individual that wrote the forward to our book, Dr. Patrick Flanagan, that was
his strongest statement in terms of this ionospheric research is that we may in fact generate a
chaotic event in the ionosphere that might chain react to this system we call the Earth.
So I think those are all legitimate concerns.
The other consideration that I can point to is actually how the magnetic poles of the
planet have shifted in recent times.
In fact, in geologic time they have shifted 80,000 years.
80,000 years ago, they moved from a point approximately in the Yukon Territories of northwestern Canada to a point off the coast of Norway.
And then 50,000 years ago, they shifted from there to the point in Hudson Bay, which is, when you think about the last ice age, that would have been sort of the center of the ice field.
And then 15,000 years ago, which is the beginning of the end of that ice age, it shifted to
its current position.
That's pretty young.
All of those things are young in geologic time, and they indicate that the Earth goes
through these sort of destabilizing periods.
And I believe that we're entering, we're in the middle of one of those destabilizing periods
All evidence points to that, and here we are.
It's a whopper, it's a whopper, Doctor, because my understanding, and it's a very loose understanding, of the number of eight-point or greater events that one can expect in any average year is not more than one or two.
That's a very low number.
And there have just been a series of quakes going on in the Pacific that's unbelievable.
And now, isn't that tied, Doctor, possibly to volcanic activity, the predictions of volcanic
activity and all this swarming of earthquakes that's going on in the Mammoth area?
Couldn't all that be tied geologically in some way together?
Sure, because of the plate tectonics and the whole idea of plate movement, you know, can create, you know, one thing happening on one end of the planet is, you know, sort of triggers a chain of events on the other.
In fact, if you look at the way these things happen, Generally, you see it happen.
One place releases energy and then that releases strains and other energies and other parts
of the same plate or joining plates.
You see this rim around the Pacific that just goes through these sporadic jolts all the
way around.
So it makes perfect sense in terms of plate tectonics.
Again, it's energy being released and here we are in Alaska about to pump in unprecedented
amounts of energy into an already perturbed or disturbed system and that's certainly a
concern of ours.
Another interesting point that came out in the HAARP research...
is that during the great alaskan earthquake of nineteen sixty four
they actually um...
uh... recorded an ionospheric disturbance created by that earth movement
really and this is really interesting this came up in a uh...
the uh... group that monitors um... spectrum assignments for the department
of commerce that was dealing with the harp issue specific mentions that in
one of their own one of their letters And it's kind of interesting because I raised the question to a scientist in part of our research.
He says, you know, wouldn't it make sense that if you, you know, so above, so below, and in this case the reverse.
And he said no, he didn't think that that would be the case.
The whole idea of pumping in this amount of energy, who knows what's going to happen?
We've never done it before.
So he didn't say absolutely not, he just said it remains to be seen, but we don't know what's going to happen when you start pushing this kind of energy into this system.
And we really don't know that much.
We think we do, but every few years They discover a little bit more.
I mean, more recently, in terms of atmospheric research, we have the blue sprites, red sprites that they discover that are sort of at cloud tops during lightning storms.
Oh, yes.
And this is a new phenomenon.
We didn't even know existed.
In fact, it was discovered by the same geophysical institute that's dealing with this heart project right now.
So, you know, we really don't understand the full mechanism of the planet.
And to think we do, and to think we can get away with pumping in Energy, we might get lucky, but then again, we might not.
And our whole position on this project is this isn't something we can toy with.
This is not a good time to be toying with a system that's already demonstrating huge,
unprecedented releases of energy.
Alright, in addition to the statement that the HAARP program manager made to me about why this is nothing more than a certain radio transmitter puts out, I'm pretty well aware of these acres of antennas that will transmit the HAARP energy.
are designed to produce a very narrow beam width.
In other words, instead of energy being spread out over the ionosphere,
as a ham radio operator might send it, these antennas are designed to make a very narrow beam
width and virtually burning a hole through or burning a hole into
or heating a very specific part of the ionosphere.
You might compare it, for example, to going out in the sun during a warm day and just feeling the warmth of the sun on your skin.
But if you take a magnifying glass and you put a little dot on your skin, hold it back from your skin, let the sun put
a little dot there, you'll burn a hole right down through your hand if you
leave it there long enough, correct?
That is absolutely the analogy.
And this is, you know, this is what distinguishes this ionospheric heater from any other operating in the world.
And what John Heckscher will tell you is, hey, there's other ionospheric heaters in the world with
the same effective radiated power.
He did tell me that.
Alright, and let me tell you the difference, okay?
The big difference is, they're measuring the effective radiated power at the point of transmission.
Right.
It's irrelevant.
What's relevant is the amount of energy you deliver at the ionosphere, the point you're trying to affect.
Yes, sir.
And all of these other transmitters around the world are designed where they spread the energy out so that the higher it goes, the less concentrated it is.
This one is designed just the opposite.
In fact, that's what allowed the original patent to be granted at the US Patent Office.
When you pull the original patent file, which is about an inch thick, on the lead patent on this project, that is what allowed Bernard Eastland to gain this patent.
He designed a way to create a cyclotron resonant and a focusing power unprecedented, unknown before.
And that's what makes HAARP so different.
So measuring its effective radiated power on the ground is only one of the measures,
but it is not the most important measure of power.
The important measure is how much do you deliver and in what way do you deliver it.
And that's the magnifying glass analogy is a perfect analogy for describing why this
is so much different.
When you take it a little bit further, when we were talking earlier about the power levels
in this particular memorandum that Heckscher denies knowing anything about, at least he
denied it on national television in Canada a few weeks ago.
This memorandum, the reason they get away with some of this, they consider this an open project, nothing classified.
But this particular document was structured in such a way That when you read the introduction, it says, first of all, that it's not a published document.
That it is not available for the public.
And it also says that it only represents private communications between the parties.
And they call it this Technical Memorandum 195.
And it's 613 pages long.
And it's published.
I mean, we've got a copy.
We made it available to other media outlets.
We made it available to Canadian Broadcasting.
John Heckscher was on the attendance roster.
He's supposed to be the program manager.
He's supposed to know all this stuff.
And on Canadian television, he says flatly, I don't know anything about that memorandum.
And that's the memorandum that says the desired level the military wants to go is 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
And in that same broadcast, John Heckscher says that that is exactly how much power you would need to have massive impacts on weather patterns on this planet.
Doctor, at what frequency range will HAARP operate?
You're asking me a question I'm not going to be able to readily answer.
I don't have that in front of me.
They're not telling us, eh?
Well, it's in the documents.
There's two ways to look at that question.
This is sort of the steps outside of my field, and I relied heavily on people with that expertise.
But the way the contract document reads, that built the project, it has a very wide band of capability.
But the actual assigned frequencies, what they're supposedly authorized to work within, are much, much narrower than what the facility is capable of doing.
So there's two sets of sort of perimeters, and it's essentially pretty wide.
I mean, from radio frequency all the way up into I believe up into the microwave range, so a broad range in
terms of...
That's interesting because the ionosphere at levels would react very, very differently to these different frequencies.
Right, and they have a number of, as I said, they have a number of effects that are possible based upon the way they
shape it.
We have a slight delay, so we have to be careful here, Doctor.
of the wave is very broad, the perimeters in the contract document in terms of frequency.
I don't want to get too technical. We have a slight delay so we have to be careful here,
Doctor. I don't want to get too technical, but I assume they can configure the antenna
array to deliver, depending on how they feed it, these differing patterns. Is that correct?
That's right.
And they have this huge spread of capability.
And it's, you know, these are the things that we're concerned with, because when we matched, we had that radio engineer match-off, that International Red Cross document I referenced earlier, showing biological effects, computer bit error effects, and melting circuitry effects as an example.
The HARPS capability has all of those capabilities.
Now, it may not be in its specific authorized range at this particular time, but that's just for this particular set of tests.
All right, Doctor.
Hold it right there.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We're going to break here.
I'm getting lots of confirmation of the quake, ladies and gentlemen.
I've probably got 20, 30 faxes in on it so far.
It is real.
We'll be back.
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We're getting all kinds of confirming information regarding a very, very large earthquake near Indonesia
arranging somewhere between 8 and 8.2 on the open-ended Richter scale.
That's a very large earthquake, and they're concerned about tsunamis, tidal waves, that sort of thing, occurring in an area that Mr. Scallion, I'm sorry to say, predicted one of this magnitude would occur.
We're also getting information this morning if you want something to be concerned about as if you need it after that that there has been by USGS issued today what's called a low-level volcano warning for the Mammoth Lakes area because there have been literally over the last couple weeks hundreds of swarming earthquakes and many of you may recall that there were literally hundreds of swarming earthquakes Off the Japanese coast, prior to the eight-point earthquake they had, fortunately, in a rather uninhabited area north of Japan in the Kuril Islands.
So, we're processing this data as fast as we can, everybody.
In the meantime, we're talking about HAARP, which in a kind of an interesting way relates.
I won't even bother to tell you now, I'm just getting confirmation after confirmation of
this from all kinds of people and all kinds of sources.
So there is now no question about this large earthquake.
And if it sounds a little disconnected, it's because we are processing this morning a very
great deal of incoming information.
I received the information of the earthquake about five minutes prior to air time.
I see we're going to have to back up a little.
Doctor, just because I got a fax that says the following, art about angels don't play this harp, so what's the point?
I still don't quite know what harp is, other than the acronym, or that it is an acronym.
Is it bigger than a bread box?
So obviously we picked up listeners in the last 20 or 30 minutes, and we're going to have to backtrack just enough to give us a brief sketch of what HAARP actually is.
Okay, in terms of a project, it's a jointly managed project between the Air Force and Navy operating in Alaska.
It's a very, very large radio frequency transmitter.
The current configuration of antennas has the upward capability of one billion billion watts of effective radiated power at this time.
And then it has the next phase, second phase, will take it up to 4.7 billion watts, that's
billion with a B, in the next phase.
And the military documents that we have indicates a desired level of 100 billion watts in effective
radiated power.
And what all that will do is create a multi-faceted, multi-use weapon system that has both the
capability of over the horizon radar for detecting objects, discriminating between objects.
It has a communication capability on the upper power level that has the ability to wipe out communications, land, sea, air-based communications, and yet still carry the communications of the operator or the military in this case.
We also explore, in our book, Angels Don't Play This Harp, the potential uses in terms of weather modification and in terms of affecting human physiology, including the human mind.
Alright, in view of this morning's news, you made a very interesting statement when we were talking about the earthquakes.
You said that there has been detected, and I'd like you to go over this again, it's fascinating, in the ionosphere, a reaction to an earthquake.
I mean, that is absolutely incredible.
I'd never heard that before.
And do you know any details about what they detected, how they detected it, what they read?
Because it ties in Earth movement, tectonic movement, or disturbance, with an obvious reaction or sympathetic react i don't know what it would be in the
ionosphere i it's the first time i've ever heard anybody say what you're saying
well it's it's been a it shows up in a in the government document and it was
important like about three lines in the middle of a very lengthy
uh... document and what it essentially said is that during the great alaskan quake of nineteen sixty four
but the uh...
government detected uh... ionospheric disturbance that corresponded to the quake
in other words the quake happened in the next ionospheric disturbance
occurred that was related to the earthquake now how that relates
it didn't go into any any great explanation but what it indicates certainly is the uh... connection of
this entire system And from our perspective, it was a red flag.
In fact, when I first read it, I had never seen anything like it either.
And I went, now wait a minute, so above, so below, you know, as the saying goes.
And I inquired about this to some of our fellow researchers and specialists.
And what they said is they couldn't discount it entirely.
It was, you know, as startling to them as it was to us.
There was just nothing in the literature that would say, hey, this can occur.
Now, well, we didn't mention this when we first covered it, but when we go back to a specific document that we uncovered in the course of our research, and it was a book called Unless Peace Comes, and within that book was a chapter written by Gordon J. F. McDonald, who was a geophysicist at UCLA specializing in problems of warfare, and he was also a science advisor to Lyndon Bain Johnson.
And the chapter he wrote for that book was called How to Wreck Your Environment.
It's kind of a catchy name, I guess, but it's before the environmental movement.
It was written in 1969.
And he speaks very clearly and concisely about the use of small inputs to create large outputs.
And what he describes in that particular chapter is triggering events that might cause earth movement, tidal waves, an Antarctic meltdown in terms of, as a weapons system.
and he also discusses the ability to electronically stroke the ionosphere in a certain and specific
way that would cause behavior modification over a very large geographic area.
That's 1969 by a scientist who had world-renowned credibility and certainly credibility with
the President of the United States at the time, Lennon Johnson.
All right, isn't that the possible equivalent of sneaking up behind a sleeping tiger and
poking it with a stick?
Yeah, the same idea.
The same idea.
You know, it's a non-linear event, and let me describe a non-linear event, because it's one of the things that the military is predicting in the course of their writings about HAARP.
And a way to visualize it, a scientist named Al Zielinski sent us this analogy recently, and what he said is, you know, stack them, or line up dominoes from where you're sitting all the way to Paris.
And you hit the first one with a 10 gram weight, and the energy released as it travels along to Paris is much greater than 10 grams.
Then he said, now picture that same set of dominoes with each domino say increasing a half a percent in size with each successive domino.
So by the time you hit Paris, you've got one about the size of the Eiffel Tower crushing it.
You still hit the first one with the 10 gram weight.
And at the end you crushed the Eiffel.
Right, and so what you're doing is you're utilizing, in this sense, gravitational energy.
You're picking it up along the way, so to speak, but it's non-linear.
It doesn't, you know, on the front end, make a lot of sense.
I mean, you think, well, 10 grams, how do you get an Eiffel Tower?
No, when you draw it out that way, it makes a lot of sense.
I can grasp that middle picture, each domino a little larger, the final domino coming down on top of the Eiffel, and down she goes.
Now picture radio frequency energy.
Being pulsed into the ionosphere, which is already a very highly energized area.
Also picture, and in Alaska they've done this, the Geophysical Institute has fired over the last decade or so, dozens and dozens, as many as a couple hundred barium-laden rockets to map the magnetic lines of force, the naturally occurring magnetic lines that wrap around the planet.
So now picture sending pulsed radio frequency in the energy ranges that we've discussed
into those magnetic lines of force, and let's suppose that they resonate
with those lines of force to create an increasing energy yield.
In fact, one of the scientists associated with the HAARP project,
who's out of UCLA, that was identified by John Hecher in one of his memorandums,
actually discovered a nonlinear, sort of inexplicable event that occurs
in the ionosphere at the coupling point, at the very edge of the ionosphere
where it catches the magnetosphere, which is another highly energized layer
or wrapping around the planet.
What they found is energy in the VLF range, very low frequency range, when it hits that point amplifies by as much as a thousand times.
And creates a virtual electron particle rain over the area below.
The electronic domino.
Right, right.
And that was discovered using just standard VLF kind of transmitters, nothing on the power levels comparable to HAARP.
Now picture HAARP with a billion watts at its current level, beamed up to that coupling point, and then whatever energy finally arrives are being magnified a thousand times.
And if lower levels created electron particle rain, What the heck are we going to create with a billion watts of effective radiated power being focused in that way?
We really don't know.
What Heckscher said in the sighting segment that ran recently is, oh yeah, this thing will make some holes in the ionosphere, but don't worry, they'll sort of refill in in a few minutes.
Well, that may or may not be the case.
The whole nature of experimentation is to find out the answers to questions you're posing, and that is one of those questions they're posing.
This is very, very scary science in the sense that we need the ionosphere.
It's not something to toy with.
More than that, some of the effects that are possible with pulsed radio frequency is pretty profound.
As recently as this last Sunday, there was a segment on 60 Minutes that amplified some of the things we said in our text.
I was just about to bring that up.
They did a segment on non-lethal weapons research, and apparently it's the hottest, newest thing.
They call it non-lethal, and perhaps it's planned that way, but the way you make it sound, it could be lethal for everybody.
That's right.
In fact, we talk about this subject at length.
Our book came out in September.
Our research was done well into last year.
And when we looked at non-lethal technologies, what HAARP represents is probably the biggest
delivery system for this kind of non-lethal technology.
And if people remember reading press reports on non-lethals, they talk about sticky foam
and things that dissolve rubber tires and nets and this kind of thing.
And at the very end, they usually mention, oh yeah, send radio frequency and they kind
of mumble microwave weapon systems.
And they move on.
They talk about EMP research to stop automobiles.
They talk about genetic soldiers and all kinds of things that they're beginning to get their
fingers into.
And I just have serious worries, Doctor.
For example, in a lot of medical experiments recently, we've been doing some genetic research
of a baboon immune system.
They tried to transplant that into a human being.
They've got a rabbit virus going down in Australia, modeled after Ebola for rabbits, if you will, that now apparently has jumped species down there.
We are, in science right now, whether it's HAARP, Or genetic research, or any other level, it seems to me, of science, out on the very edge of absolutely not knowing what we're doing.
And that is our concern.
I mean, the military is not in the business of promoting human health.
They're in the business of defending the country, and we believe very strongly that our country needs, and other countries of the world do need, a strong defense system.
Yes.
But we need to be responsible with what we're developing there, and we need to be open about some of that development.
We don't have to tell people how to build some of these things, but we certainly have a right to debate the concepts behind these weapons systems in terms of their ethics, their morality, and their risk.
Alright, is HAARP, I'll just put it straight to you, is HAARP, in your opinion, an irresponsible project?
At this point, I believe it is.
It's irresponsible on a couple of levels.
The first level is the fact that they're being deliberately misleading in the explanation of this science.
And the second place where I think it's a project that needs to be stopped, or at least a moratorium placed on it, until we can have an open review by independent scientists, and I'm not talking about scientists necessarily in university settings because many of those
universities derive a great deal of their money from the military establishment.
I'm talking about truly independent scientists.
This needs an international look.
The ionosphere belongs to everyone on the planet.
If one country, whether it be the United States, the former Soviet Union, or a country in Europe,
starts to play with the ionosphere, I think everyone on the planet has a right to be involved
in the decision-making process leading up to that because it is too serious of a matter
to just tamper with willy-nilly on the basis of creating new defense systems.
Well, all right, then here I go again.
The scientists, with regard to genetic research, or perhaps HAARP, or so many other areas, seem to be telling us about these things after they've done them.
And it's sort of like, oh, by the way, we have done the following.
Yes, there may be repercussions when they did the uh... baboon
uh...
uh... transplant they said and there could be repercussions we think it very
likely or not very likely but a disease could be passed from animal to human
and uh... i i believe that is how they think aids got started in the first
place so it's it's sort of an old by the way and and and it's an
attitude of science it seems to me that is very dangerous because they assume
seemingly they can do what they want and sort of tell the world about it
afterwards And this is, you know, this is wrong-headed in the sense, particularly when we're dealing with a governmental organization like the military.
They're not free spirits out there doing whatever they want.
They're supposed to be reflecting values and belief systems that are derived from the population that they're here to protect.
And to create weapon systems without involvement of taxpayers and citizens of this country, in terms of where we're headed, is really, it is wrong-headed.
In our book we point out a whole area of revolutions in military affairs, which is what these new technologies represent to the military.
And we derived a good deal of information from a document put together by the Strategic Studies Institute of the United States Army.
And what they actually say in this document is they talk about the idea that You know, we have all these new weapons technologies, but a number of these technologies will really kind of run counter, in fact very counter, to American values.
And so what they propose are mechanisms by which those values could be altered and changed by deliberate planning on the part of the military.
And where I really have strong disagreement is no branch of government, the Department of Agriculture or the Department of the Army, have a right or an obligation or even should be in the business I'm trying to shape American values.
They're in the business of carrying out policy that American values has already established.
And anytime they get into that area, you start to question the kinds of things they pointed to in that document, which was called the Revolution of Military Affairs and Conflict Short of War.
The things they point to are radio frequency and microwave weapon systems that might be used to disable aircraft, causing them to crash.
and that part of that values that they point to it well you know if you make a
plane crash because you suspect something is kind of forgetting about
the trial the judges the juries in due process which is fundamental to
american justice i had heard doctor that there was a project on the
books and in fact they may have experimented with it i know damn
well the russians did
that was designed to use a certain sort of laser that would render pilots
blind Obviously, if a pilot goes blind, the plane eventually is going to crash.
Right.
And that it was decided that somehow it was immoral to do such a thing, and suspended.
Now, we're talking about things that go far beyond that in terms of morality or lack of it.
Right, and going a little further, that same document talks about something that comes up periodically in a number of conversations where people have trouble pointing to the government document that says, hey, they might do this to human beings, is the idea of microcircuit implants.
For use in locating individuals anywhere on the planet.
Alright, well I'll tell you what.
We're at a break point.
So we'll touch on that.
I want to ask you about the effects of HAARP with regard to the weather.
And there certainly has been plenty of that lately.
And the biological effects that it may have on human beings if it were targeted on human beings.
So relax for a few moments and we'll get back to you.
8 plus earthquake near Indonesia.
Between 8 and 8.2.
We're awaiting final word at 33 kilometers depth.
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Once again, here I am. My guest is Dr. Nick Begich.
He's the author of Angels Don't Play This Harp.
It refers to the harp project in Alaska.
A project designed to throw immense amounts of concentrated energy
into the ionosphere for various stated reasons, depending on who you listen to.
Slightly eclipsing this, or perhaps going along with it, is some of the news, breaking news of the morning, and I am astounded, absolutely astounded, that CNN and other broadcast organizations Have not been running this, but there are two interesting things going on this morning.
One is that USGS says the recent earth movement and so many earthquakes around the Mammoth Lake area have actually now prompted USGS to issue what's called a low-level volcano hazard alert.
In other words, if I read this correctly, and I'm sure I do, they are saying there is some possibility that there may be a volcano born shortly, they think, in the Mammoth Lakes area.
And I've never heard of such thing issued before.
Maybe you have.
I haven't, in an area where there has not been a volcano previously.
For what that's worth.
And then, more serious, even more serious news, that near Indonesia, there has just been recorded somewhere between an 8 and an 8.2 magnitude, on the open-ended Richter scale, earthquake.
That's a very, very serious earthquake.
It is, for those of you who follow it, in the area that Mr. Scallion said such a quake of that particular magnitude would occur.
Worrisome.
We're talking with Dr. Begich also about HAARP and its resonant effect.
A remarkable piece of information that he had for us is that during the large Alaskan earthquake, the government noticed an ionospheric disturbance concurrent with the Alaskan earthquake, tying the ionosphere and events on Earth, up above, down below, as he said, Together.
So, all of this does tie together.
Now the tsunami alerts and warnings that were issued for the Pacific, including the Philippines and many other areas, have just been cancelled.
This quake occurred at a depth of 33 kilometers, if you're tracking that sort of thing.
And that's all the news I have.
We will continue to keep you updated as the morning goes on.
If you're hearing this as a repeat on Monday morning, what you're hearing now occurred on Friday night, Saturday morning, as we interviewed Dr. Begich.
I've got to think ahead, because this is going to be rebroadcast.
So here we are, in the middle of a very great deal of breaking news this morning, and now, as you all know, or maybe you don't, if you're just joining us at this hour, some stations do, Dr. Begich has written a book about this project, this Project HAARP, that is operating presently, has been operating at one of its lower levels for some time.
And that brings to mind the first question that I want to ask Dr. Begich, and by the way, we will get phones, be patient.
Doctor, the northeast part of the country, And let us not even confine our comments to that.
Alaska, I understand it's had a very strained weather season here on the West Coast.
We've had flooding that is unparalleled in the Northwest for many, many years.
They are setting records for snow in the Northeast that have not been seen for 75 years.
The South has frozen, crops have been damaged, the weather, in a nutshell, Doctor, has never been weirder.
Now, I'm not saying it's harp, but I'm asking, could it be?
The answer to that is, to some degree, it could be.
Now, here's the problem that we get into whenever this subject is raised, and it is raised quite often.
What we don't know, and what is not being monitored, independent of the United States military, is the actual firing sequence and timing so that it can be closely correlated against anomalous weather patterns, which is extremely important.
In fact, it's one of the things that we've been asking, and a number of people that have been supporting our work have been asking our state government to do, is to monitor this project independent of the federal government.
So that we can really see how those correlations take place.
Now could HAARP influence weather across the country?
At this power level, I don't think so.
However, as we said earlier, the ability to magnify that power, or increase or amplify that power, once it reaches these magnetic lines of force, and once it reaches, even more specifically, the region in the area of the upper ionosphere and lower magnetosphere, It may in fact be able to create weather modification.
Now, what John Heckscher said in a recent interview on Canadian Broadcasting System was that to create these kinds of massive weather effects, you would need something on the order of 100 billion watts of effective radiated power.
And that's what Eason, of course, envisioned in the Yes, that's what he said.
Now, the question becomes, is that effective radiated power on the ground, or is that the power that might be amplified once the signal reaches the ionosphere?
And that question wasn't posed to him, so we really don't know the answer.
I mean, maybe, in fact, HAARP can.
But again, these are the kinds of questions that we're asking, that other scientists around the world now are asking, and the military is not really coming straight out and answering.
They keep saying a lot of things that just don't leave you with a very strong feeling of confidence that they really know all of the implications of this project.
We sit here and we put together very carefully, Gene Manning and I, this book.
The reason we spent the time and effort on this is because we really felt it was important
enough to do.
It took us away from other work we were on, but it has been a labor that just needed to
get done.
We spent a year putting it together.
There are 350 footnoted sources in that book so that anyone that reads it, first of all
it's in plain English so you can understand it, but then anyone that has the inclination
to dive into the scientific literature, it's all laid out there.
It's all right there, easy to source out and get deeper into the subject.
Our feeling is we would have really liked to have been wrong, but unfortunately for
all of us I think we are absolutely right in our assertions and probably haven't even
covered the half of it because we know a lot of this technology.
All right, let me cover or ask one question about the biological effects.
We human beings are electromagnetic beings.
Creatures.
I mean, we have small electrical impulses that literally drive everything that we do.
Yes.
From our brain to the movement of our hands and our feet, and every little twitch and muscle, and everything's connected, and it's all electrical.
So, an obvious question is, what are the possible biological effects of a directed high-powered harp emission?
Okay, let's talk about a couple of different effects.
First, let's talk about the testing that's going on this year, which is this Earth-penetrating tomography experimentation.
And what's going to happen there is they're going to create an extremely low frequency that comes down to the Earth.
It's a pulsed radio frequency going up and a long wave coming back.
And it's going to pulse in the range of 1 to 20 hertz, or pulses or cycles per second.
Oh my, that's very low.
Yes, and this happens to correlate to the predominant brain waves of human beings.
And what we know from the research and literature is that the ability to entrain or lock on to human brain waves is now fairly well known and understood.
Absolutely.
And what John Heckscher said in an interview with us was that was the frequency range under which this particular test would be done.
Doctor, let me stop you for just a second.
Going back to the 60 minutes piece, I believe that it was suggested either there or in something else I read, I've done so much on this now I forget, that emissions of those sorts of low frequencies could disorient or even make physically ill A human being.
That is absolutely correct.
In fact, we have an Air Force document cited in our book, it's called Low Intensity Conflict in Modern Technology, that has two chapters of importance.
One on EMP, which we already covered, electromagnetic pulses, and the other is on biological effects of pulsed radio frequency, which is what we're talking about here today.
And what it says in that document is it can not only make people ill, it can stomp a heart It can create brain entrainment, it can create total disorientation
or rapid and radical mood swings.
It can create what they call anomalous brainwave patterns.
The way they phrase it and the way they state it, you're talking about those things that
hit into that sixth sense area of enhancement of abilities the way they frame it.
But the fact of the matter is the operator of pulsed radio frequency weapons, and in
this book it was for tactical weapons, battlefield kind of weapons.
What we have with HAARP is the biggest delivery system ever contemplated by man, except in
In a sense, it was contemplated by J.F.
Gordon MacDonald, who I referenced earlier, who said if you could electronically stroke the ionosphere in just the right way, with just the right amount of energy, you could create mood swings over entire geographical regions.
Alright, now I want to backtrack with you just one second, please.
You said pulsed emissions between 1 and 22 hertz, did you say?
I said 20 hertz.
That's what Heckscher said, but actually, The ability to pulse for brainwave frequency is a little bit bigger than that.
Alright, but what I'm getting at here is, if the goal of that is to map things underground, on the Earth, then standing upon the ground and absorbing more radiation, arguably, would be Poor little electromagnetic human beings that are strolling about.
In other words, it's got to go through us to get to the Earth, and God knows it's got to be strong to get into the Earth to do that mapping.
It's going through everything, and it's going all the way down.
And the other point to make here is one of the things John Heckscher said is that, hey, but don't worry, the amount of energy, the level of energy that hits the Earth, that returns to the Earth, It's going to be about the same as what would occur naturally.
The only difference is it's going to be coherent or rhythmic.
Now, the important point here is, let's assume that he's telling the truth in this instance, that it is going to be similar, except it's going to be coherent, rhythmic waves.
What Jose Delgado discovered, and Jose Delgado was an electrophysiologist, educated in Madrid, who came to the United States, worked at Yale University, was well regarded internationally as one of the specialists in the field of brain research, and he found that pulsed radio frequency, and shaped in just the right way could in fact change
animal and human behavior like throwing a light switch on and off from being lethargic to
excited, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, back and forth, back and forth.
At energy levels, one-fiftieth of that occurring in the earth except it was coherent or rhythmic
or controlled in just the right way.
So fifty times more power than is necessary to create mood swings is going to be used
in that one experiment.
Now the question will come up is, well, is that intentional or is it accidental?
Who cares?
The fact is, it can happen.
And the point is, if you take it, the question is, well, would the government do this?
There was a book that we found in our research called Between Two Ages, written by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter.
The book was called Between Two Ages, and on page 57 of that book, What he, um, suggests is, in fact, that they can create these kind of effects, and later in the text, he suggests that if this government were to have that capability, they would be tempted.
In fact, they would use it.
Now, this is a National Security Advisor to a President suggesting they would use it, not Dr. Nick Begich suggesting they would use it, although I agree with him, I think they will.
The fact of the matter is, if they have the capability, they're gonna seek to demonstrate that capability.
And our concern is, again, is these are the kinds of things that Americans need to be
involved with that we need to be asking questions about, because this isn't just some subtle
ionospheric research project.
This is a proof-of-concept project to demonstrate for the military what these weapons are capable
of so they can deploy them on a larger and larger scale.
This is the same way they start every major weapons program.
Nothing is unique or different about this.
Alright, Doctor, I, as you know, and as I've said in the past, this new audience will not
be aware, I spoke with the HAARP...
Program Manager in Boston, John Heckscher, the man you've been referring to.
I gave him an opportunity to come on this show, not to be pinned to the wall, not for it to be a contentious interview, but for him to be able to come on and give his side of the argument.
He, uh, at first declined, and then when I pressed him, he said, well, they're not going to allow me to come on.
And, what do you, what do you read into that?
I mean, what do you read into that?
Well, I think that what's happened is they figured that our activity here would be short-lived and would dissipate, and that the energy behind our objection to this science would go away.
Let me tell you what he said, actually what he said.
His response was, well, if I came on, I'd just be preaching to the choir.
Now, he had a copy of the program, the last program that I did with you.
And I think I had the feeling, I had the sense that it scared him.
And I began to ask him some technical questions.
About the focus of energy on the ionosphere with a narrow beam width.
In other words, the exact opposite of the other ionospheric heaters.
He mentioned those to me.
And I said, yes, but HAARP is going to be focusing the energy from the ground, if you think of it, to a tiny little spot at the ionosphere.
And you're going to be delivering so much more than has ever been delivered before.
And he just went silent.
Well, you know, the whole thing is, in terms of where I think John Heckscher is, my fax is going crazy too, sorry about that, where John Heckscher is coming from on a lot of this, when he says he would just be preaching to the choir, you know, maybe the American taxpayer is the choir that he ought to be preaching to.
You know, we're the people paying for this system, and he certainly, or this program certainly ought to be accountable to every one of us listening to this broadcast or participating in this broadcast.
That is his job, and Americans, public servants in American life have forgotten who they work for.
His program managers won't let him on, but certainly it's time for this debate to be moved into the public forum, and it shouldn't just be happening from a few lone researchers out here.
It should be happening at all levels, and it should be involving certainly the United States government.
And I think that this is just another one of these cop-outs for a theoretically open project that they're unwilling to step forward and defend in a reasonable way.
I think it's just the same pattern that we've seen before.
The only thing that surprised me along all of the lines is the fact that they really have been silent.
I mean, the only things they've done to react Well, you know what he said to me?
He said, and he gave me some little radio station near the community where the Heart Project is, and he said, well, we've been on there a couple of times, trying to explain to the local community what's going on.
Right.
And how do people... You're in Alaska.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Hold on, if you would, just a moment.
Here we are at the bottom of the hour once again tracking all kinds of stories this morning.
These swarming earthquakes, the low-level volcanic alert, of all things, for Mammoth Lakes.
Issued by USGS and an 8 to 8.2 earthquake near Indonesia for which tsunami alerts and warnings and watches and so forth have now been cancelled.
But that is a large, large, very large geologic event in an area called Dead on the Nose by a guy named Scallion.
I'm Art Bell.
We'll be right back.
This is the end of side one.
Please.
All right, good to be back.
Where did we leave off?
Well, I'll tell you, instead of where did we leave off, I would like to ask exactly about what we're going to cover in depth in the newsletter, and that is, go all the way back, way back to before HAARP, to Nikola Tesla.
Where is that connection, Doctor?
Okay, this was one of the mind-triggerers for me.
When I first started researching this project and pulled the The first patent, which were the Eastland patents, in every patent there's a section that deals with the references, which is kind of where the inventor draws their inspiration.
In this case, there were three notations, and two of those were New York Times articles, one from around 1915 and one, as memory serves me, around 1940 or 1941.
The thing that struck me, first of all, reading the patent itself and looking at it, Well, this has got to be Tesla references.
And then what I did is, of course, pulled the microfilm on those articles, which were most revealing, because, in fact, that's exactly what those articles were about.
And they were about a specific weapons system that Tesla had designed that was intended to, at distance, melt what he said would melt engines and provide 50 million volt potential as described in the article and it was described graphically
as bolts of lightning from the mythical Thor.
So, I mean, what it was essentially describing was sort of the great-grandfather of the harp
system.
And this was the inspiration for Bernard Eastland to develop the harp radio frequency transmitter.
Now the other thing that's part of this project that we haven't even covered tonight was the
idea of power beaming, of transferring electrical energy from one part of the planet to another,
which was a long-held dream of Nikola Tesla's.
In fact, what you mentioned as being one of the photographs in this upcoming newsletter, that's going to have that transmitter, which was underwritten by J.P.
Morgan as a financier, but the unfortunate part was when Morgan found out that people were going to be able to essentially plug in for free, it sort of took the capitalistic incentive out of the program and that was the end of it.
But it is the precursor, it is the beginning of this whole wave of thinking.
What Bernard Eason was hired to do was to find a use for the energy, the natural gas that is owned by Atlantic Ridgefield on the North Slope of Alaska, which amounts to trillions of cubic feet.
Atlantic Ridgefield was the original owner of actually a package of 12 patents, which include three on power beaming, a number on ionospheric mirrors, and over-the-horizon radar technologies.
and then of course the ionospheric heater, the principle of focusing energy.
What John Heckscher has said, and probably said to you also Art,
is that no, no, we're not using Bernard Eastland's patent.
And they are using the principles behind Bernard Eastland's patent.
Bernard pictured an antenna ray much, much larger than what we have here in Alaska currently.
However, it's the basic principle of focusing that they're using,
and these other patents reference that original patent by Eastland
because they require that focusing ability.
So you have Eastland referencing Tesla, and these other inventors referencing Eastland,
which by default is of course also referencing the basic foundational work of Nikola Tesla.
All right, Doctor, did you happen to see by any chance on NBC the other evening
exclusive footage of the first missile shot down with a laser?
I didn't see that, no.
Well, NBC ran it, and they actually showed the missile in flight, the laser tracking, firing, and blowing it in half.
Now, with that as a precursor, I want to read something to you.
Rest your voice.
HARP is capable of being used as an anti-ballistic missile defense.
This is a fax from Wayne in Phoenix.
I used to work for the NSA, the National Security Agency.
I designed parts of the Star Wars defense system.
The President, Reagan at that time, wanted in the 80s.
Do you remember one of the missile basing plans they were discussing that was called Dense Pack?
We would place almost all of our land-based ICBMs in two or three bases, then try to defend those two or three bases against incoming ICBMs.
Well, guess what?
Harp is the final phase of the system that I designed.
Our Intel Department had the actual circuit board designs of the Russian missile guidance systems.
I designed a shaped array microwave transmitter that, when programmed properly, we could inject a voltage signal on the missile's positioning sensors and make it miss the dense pack bases.
The final design would require a massive system located close to Russia so that we could modify the trajectory while the ICBM was still in the ascent stage.
Does this sound like solid information, Doctor?
It does.
It kind of deviates a little bit from our understanding of of what all is possible with this particular technology, but given the size of the HAARP transmitter, it does make sense.
From an Eastland perspective, there's a little more involved, but from the current state of the HAARP technology, in terms of size, that would make a great deal of sense.
And the way it's phrased and worded sounds certainly credible.
What we found in a number of the talk programs we've been on is People who have worked on these kinds of programs have stepped forward and supported our assertions and our work.
We're not afraid to be challenged.
We would welcome any challenge on the way we've constructed materials.
It's like anyone's work.
If there's something there that someone can say is, hey, this is wrong or this needs to be amplified, that would be great.
But unfortunately, the only amplification we keep getting are from people sending us materials saying, See?
Here's something else that you missed.
Alright, then my question, my question then, Doctor, is why is the program manager, John Heckscher, not willing... Frankly, I was hoping he would come on with you, but I didn't even get that far.
I got to the first offering, which was to let him come on by himself, and to let him say exactly what he wanted to say, and he gave me his, well, it'd be just preaching to the choir speech.
And then finally, well, my bosses won't let me speech.
Now, Why, if it's what he says it is, wouldn't he be anxious, more than anxious, to come on in a free-willing forum and challenge you with all of these assertions?
Why in the world wouldn't he do that?
Isn't that his job?
I would think it is, but again, from my perspective, we would welcome the opportunity.
I would probably want to have one of my specialists on who is a little more familiar with the radio frequency side of it, but hey, we're willing to.
We've challenged them in terms of, let's debate it, let's get in front of a public body, let's sit down, you bring your team, I'll bring my team, let's see who can flush this thing out.
And the fact of the matter is, why not?
You know, if it's so open and so honest and there's nothing sinister here, then why not bring it into the public forum?
The fact that they won't tells me a great deal about where this program actually is.
At some point, they probably are going to have to step forward.
And what they're hoping, what they've been hoping all along, is that this thing would fizzle.
But it's far from fizzling.
I mean, it's gaining momentum and it will continue to gain momentum.
This week we had a one-hour program on this technology that was aired on BBC television in Great Britain.
We've had a lot of media contacts in the last month or so that have been encouraging.
We're not sitting there with a trillion dollar defense budget.
We're sitting there with a budget derived from the work that we do independently.
We're not funded by grants or special programs, and yet we've been able to put together Very compelling argument, as you know from reading our material.
All right, let's get to that.
Look, part of the way you're funded is by selling your book on this subject called Angels Don't Play This Harp.
You haven't plugged it.
I've plugged plenty of stuff.
You plug your book.
How do they get your book, Doctor?
Okay, there's two ways.
You can get it by mail.
The book is with freight, with air freight.
It's an extra three dollars with standard surface freight.
It's a dollar and a half.
The book itself is $14.95.
And you can get it by calling 907-249-9111, or by mail to Dr. Nick Begich, and that's spelled B-E-G-I-C-H, and that's at P.O.
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The ordering number, and that number also has the mailing address on it when you call in, and that's a 24-hour number.
It's area code 907-249-9111.
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okay i remember the last time we were on somehow
there were so many thousands of people calling that number as are going to be
right now week week at the people dot even though we gave the number
correctly they got the number transposed in some hard little way
that put up phone calls massively into the nine one one emergency system
up there in acreage Well, actually it was in Ketchikan, Alaska.
In Ketchikan, Alaska.
The state trooper's phone number, and that was inadvertent.
So maybe we ought to give that number one more time.
Let me give it because I want people to be damn sure they've got it right.
Area code 907-249-9111.
Now, I don't know that we can get it out any clearer than that.
That's it.
Please, everybody, be very, very careful how you call.
What I would like to do now is to enter the phase... I've almost kept you going here three hours without even opening the lines.
Every one of them is ringing and has been since we began the program.
So, would you mind taking some questions?
Let's do it.
Let's go as long as you want.
I'm up for it as long as you are.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Biggich.
Yes, I'm 200 miles east of the center of the Rockies.
Yes, sir.
Yes, I'd like to... I think you bought his book, and I went through that with some of my other reading in this subject, and I think we're missing something significant here.
All right.
If you plot a true line course, okay, between the harp site and the possible high-powered transmitters, which would reflect, it goes right into the western United States.
You take the steering capabilities of it, and it covers the continental U.S.
And when he talked about behavior modification, this is beyond experimentation.
And I'm sure he could quote many references on this.
I mean, he's done everything from He mentioned mood swings, raising stress levels, affecting chemical hormone balance in the brain, affecting drowsiness.
Gee, we don't have any of that going on, huh?
Well, he mentioned the 1994 earthquake up there in Alaska.
What he didn't mention is there was experimentation just prior to that by the Department of Energy with deep nuclear blasts in Alaska, and that might have triggered that.
Are you aware of that, Doctor?
The 1964 earthquake.
I was unaware of the deep nuclear blast.
I'd not really seen that correlation.
What about what he said with regard to the West Coast and then the entire continental United States?
Well, I know that they've picked the signal up.
The only question I have is whether or not they can deliver the necessary power densities, and that is still unclear for this particular transmitter at this particular time.
But again, as I mentioned earlier, Those amplification effects that have been noted and well noted by HAARP scientists while they were working on other projects is certainly there.
So, you know, I won't discount the possibility, and I did not mean to do that.
I only said that, look, we don't have that independent monitoring to make those absolute precise correlations between weather effects and this particular transmitter.
But again, I'm not going to say that it isn't possible, and I'm not going to say that that is the cause.
But what we do know is that these transmitters have these capabilities.
For the behavioral modification effects, that is a much, much lower power requirement than
for weather modification.
So that becomes much more possible in terms of this technology.
All right.
When I talked to the program manager, he said to me, there are other ionospheric heaters in the world, as we discussed earlier in the program, and a lot of people would have missed it, but the difference between those other ionospheric heaters and HAARP is very, very significant. Their energy is wide-beamed up,
while Harp's is wide-beamed from the bottom, designed to become narrow at the top, or
the point that it hits, the point they wish to strike in the ionosphere.
And the good parallel, the one we used earlier, was walk out in the sun, sunny day, no problem, you get a little sun, you get a little tan, take a magnifying glass and get that little dot right down there on your hand, leave it there, it'll burn a hole right through your hand, give it enough time.
And that is the difference between this project, as I understand it, and other so-called ionospheric heaters, right?
Right.
And they try to have it both ways, you know.
Defending the funding of the project, they talk about it as being the most unique, powerful ionosphere heater in the world, with this unique steering, focusing, and rapid scanning capability.
And then when they're defending themselves against people like me, they're saying, oh no, this is just the same as everything else.
Well, they know full well it's not.
And what they're looking at is the rating on the ground.
And as we said earlier in the first hour, that that rating on the ground is really irrelevant.
What's relevant More relevant, rather, is what you get when you get to the top of that column of energy as it focuses in and delivers that very high, high-density energy that then creates what the military calls a runaway effect.
That Ben is supposed to stable at some undefined in their documents or anywhere in the literature, some undefined level is how they state it.
Alright, I'm glad we've been able to do this, Doctor.
Stand by, we're going to devote the next hour to telephone calls.
I will give it one more time to get copies of this program or the newsletter coming up devoted to HAARP.
The number is 1-800-917-4278.
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Now, back to Dr. Begich, and I promise to concentrate on calls, and that is what we are going to do.
Dr. Begich?
Yes, I'm with you.
All right.
Well, you're really with them, because we're going to go to the phones this time.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hi.
Good morning.
Good morning to you.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Wichita, Kansas.
All right.
My name is Dennis.
Yes, Dennis.
Yeah, I kind of got a, not exactly a three-part question, but there's three parts involved.
First of all, you're cut off here in Wichita, so I can't hear much.
But anyway, yeah, back with the mood-altering deal going on, I wonder if the same physics are involved with... Russia was allegedly beaming positive ions at the general population of the U.S.
Yeah, I've not heard that before.
world's bad attitude.
I don't know about...
All right, hold it right there, hold it right there.
Positive ions.
I was aware of Russia's over-the-horizon radar.
Ham radio operators called it the woodpecker, a damnable thing that would mess up communications
across a lot of the spectrum.
I remember that, Dr.
Positive ions?
Yeah, I've not heard that before.
I have heard the woodpecker, and we referenced it in the book.
It was attributed with having had not only disturbing effects on ham radio operators,
but there were reports of it also affecting behavior or the health of people, certainly.
I believe it was Eugene, Oregon, was the actual one.
area that was experiencing that, but these transmitters that the former Soviet Union had that are still there are the ones that are referenced by John Heckscher as being similar to the HAARP program, which is another irony in all of this, because they were attributed with having had effects on weather, on power systems in Canada, on behavior.
All of it was, I won't say unsubstantiated, but not as substantiated as I like to see things as far as uh... computer consistently uh... documented but
nonetheless they were attributed with those effects shortly after
uh... those uh... transmission uh...
uh... we're starting to to raise a a lot of attention is when the united states
entered the weather modification treaties in nineteen seventy six where
we agreed with i believe it was a little over sixty other countries trying
to not use weather modifications without weapons
uh... as weapons of war So you have those correlations.
we also know of the microwave beaming of the U.S. Embassy that raised quite a stir. We
referenced that in the book. All right, now this was a three-parter, so we better dig
back into it. Go ahead, sir. I appreciate the time. My second part is, who are these
brilliant minds that come up with such a complicated device, if you will, to do such an unwise
thing? And my third is, oh God, during this lapse I kind of forgot. All right, well, look,
let's answer this part. That's a good one, yeah. That's a good one. You know, in terms
of the scientists, you know, first of all, let's be fair about it in that sense. Does
Many of these people are very, very specialized in their work, and the way the government develops weapons systems, they do compartmentalize it in the sense that Certain parts of the project are housed in various locations, same way the Manhattan Project was built and any other major weapons initiative is built.
So what you have on the HAARP scientist team or scientific team are predominantly atmospheric physicists, radio engineers, and engineering types building this gadget, this big device.
But on the other end of the country are where they're working with the effects, biological effects, of radiofrequency weapons.
And here in Alaska, you know, during the planning stage, they were talking about, no, they don't have any biological effects.
Well, at the same time, on the other end of the country, they're getting funding based on the biological effects of pulse radiofrequency.
So the scientific teams are compartmentalized and they operate under a need-to-know principle where they get the information they need for their specific part and that's what they're focused on.
What we also did, one of the things we did, is we sent our press releases, our initial press releases, on our information to all the scientists that had addresses listed in any of the literature provided by HAARP, which involved almost 100 scientists, in the hope that if they looked at the work and looked at the whole implication of the project, Maybe a few of them would come forward, or step forward, or maybe even just step out of the project.
Sure.
So, you know, we can't look at them as all a bunch of villains, because I don't think that's the case.
I think at a certain level, probably more on the order of the Pentagon, and at those levels, there might be, certainly is, a lot more coordination of these various bits and pieces.
But at this... Alright, Doctor, listen.
Here's what brings this on, and I want you to react to this.
The reason you're on tonight, the reason we're doing this program, is because of the conversation I had with the HAARP program manager, John Heckscher.
Now, at one point in our conversation, he was in Boston, we were talking, spent a good half hour on the phone, I said, Mr. Heckscher, are you sure, are you certain, that Your agenda, which I could believe you believe is your agenda, since the military is involved, might not be different than their agenda.
Their, meaning the military.
He said, oh no, there's no possibility of that.
I take it you wouldn't necessarily agree with that.
Well, you know, that's a big difference than what he was saying to Canadian Broadcasting the other day when he was on the air with them.
Oh, really?
What did he say?
And what he was saying then was, he didn't know.
And he really wasn't sure, and that maybe there could be a different program at a higher level.
Oh, really?
And so that's a big change from just a couple of weeks ago, when he was on the air across the country in prime time spots.
Oh, that's remarkable.
That's a remarkable change in a short while.
All right, thank you.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich in Alaska.
Hello.
Oh, hi, Dr. Begich.
This is interesting show art.
Calling from California?
Yes.
And in view of national security, I can see where this is really quite something and of course very valuable, but what the other side of the entity that's very frightening is, is the effect that it may have on human behavior and will you be able to give i think i mean regarding where we can write an american to
to make a point about that that's a good question really good question
actually there's there's a couple things that i would suggest is is
certainly contact your on congressional delegations in your own areas and ask that
uh... that this be open and open senate hearings that the people are responsible
the people that are objecting have an opportunity onto air
our concerns that would be one way uh... another thing that we've asked people to do as we've
been on radio across the country is to contact our...
Our state of Alaska's governor, Tony Knowles, in Juneau, Alaska, and let him know that you really would like to see the state independently monitor it.
Now, the standard response has been, we do know he's reading our book, because one was handed to him and he did write it and tell us he's looking through it and going through it.
But the thing, the standard answer is, well, it's a federal project, we really don't have any control over it.
Well, it's being front-ended through a university funded by the state, and the other part of it is, it's affecting state residents here.
Certainly, that is a state issue.
We have environmental concerns that have been raised.
Those are legitimate issues raised by states and residents within states that our state government can indeed take an action on.
A number of our legislators are now looking at it, so as people call, it's kind of the old saying, you know, when the public starts screaming for answers, the politicians start scrambling to figure out what those answers are.
And that is exactly what has just started to happen here in the last couple of months.
Doctor, if there were congressional or senate hearings held on this, would you want to testify?
Absolutely, and I would want to bring my team into those hearings to be able to present our side and to openly debate anyone the military wants to present in those hearings, because I believe we can make a case to support what we've presented in our documents and in our book, and we can make a case for the kinds of things that we're asserting these technologies can do, and we can make a case for the fact that those particular technologies and uses represent Extreme environmental dangers as well as dangers to the population.
Dean, why do I suspect those might not be open hearings?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello, where are you, sir?
Caneyville, Kentucky.
All right.
Extinguish your radio for us, if you would, please.
Yeah.
Turn that off.
Okay.
All right, good.
Go right ahead.
All right.
First thing, Dr.
It's a mouthful.
Could you tell us what HAARP stands for again?
I didn't get all that.
It's a mouthful.
It's a High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project.
It's the acronym the military has chosen as HAARP for that lengthy title.
Yeah.
Okay.
And is the last one...
The last time you was on our show, I believe I heard there's another one of these transmitters
in Puerto Rico?
Yes, it's configured differently.
As we understand it, it may be under some condition of retrofitting to more closely
parallel the capability of HAARP, but it's been there for a good number of years.
It's at Arecibo, Puerto Rico.
It is referenced in the HAARP document as a similar transmitter, although in the document they also reference it as less capable, although we do know it's going through some retrofitting and we have heard that it is being retrofitted to have this focusing capacity as well.
Okay, and I'll try to limit it to just a couple questions here.
Do you think, in your opinion, that HAARP was used in Kuwait?
Oh, that is a very interesting question.
And I'm going to add to it.
Not just HAARP.
Do you think that other weapons, non-lethal weapons that would be in the category of HAARP, were used or abused in that war?
You know, this is a very important point, and in terms of the HAARP transmitter itself, I don't think so, but the principles on the basis of which HAARP is constructed, in other words, smaller, more tactical sized weapons systems that use exactly the same principles As HARP could utilize in terms of its capability, yes.
And why I think that is when you think back on that whole Gulf War situation of people coming out, the enemy, the fourth largest army in the world, essentially coming out in total states of confusion, totally disoriented, which is exactly the kind of effect you would see from radio frequency weapons.
And more than that, you know, the excuse was, well, we hammered them so heavily with You know, with bombs and various types of ordnance.
But, you know, when you think back to Berlin and London, you know, those cities took a beating in World War II that, you know, people who lived through it, I'm sure, would remember it as a pretty strong hammering.
And yet, they didn't walk out totally disoriented.
They walked out fighting.
I mean, that was not, you know, an excuse to quit.
Doctor, I'm recalling that during that war, We literally, with earthmovers, buried alive a lot of the enemy soldiers.
It's a fact known, but not widely known.
Many, many, many of them were dispatched in that manner.
And you could dispatch somebody in a confused state more easily, certainly, in that manner.
Yeah, and you know, when you talk about this kind of technology, let me explain a principle on a biological effect for cyclotron resonance, which is what heart produces.
Doctor, just before you do, one other point before I forget it.
And that is that Sixteen Minutes made the point that these sorts of weapons are very interesting, but unfortunately, they've not yet perhaps figured out how to stop the effect Okay, let's talk about the biological effect and maybe this explains why some of our own servicemen have come back with these unexplainable disorders.
That's where I was headed.
Okay, because here's what happens.
If you have, and every human being has within their body, certain elements That in each of those elements resonate to a very specific frequency.
And when you have, say in your body, which we all do, a certain amount of iodine, which in large doses is deadly, or certainly disabling, creates a number of negative effects, or any number of other elements, but in small amounts is not considered toxic.
So you do the normal tests for these kinds of elements and you would find that, oh, it's no problem, they're below the toxicity level, they're okay.
But if you resonate a frequency at the right frequency that more or less harmonizes with those elements, you create an amplified effect, which would be just like you took a massive dosage of the chemical or the element, causing a series of chemical reactions, just like you had a massive dosage, and yet when they test you, Everything looks normal, everything's within normal limits, and yet you're having these symptoms that are now unexplained.
Oh, and gee, could that be why we're at the bottom of the hour here?
We've got this massive controversy about this illness called the Gulf War Syndrome that nobody can quite put their finger on, that science can't define, and yet clearly, in thousands of GIs returning, exists.
We'll be back.
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He's up in Alaska, and he's back, and here we go, Dr. East of the Rockies.
You're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hi, Dr. Begich.
Could I ask you, is the HAARP project, is it able to trigger the new magic salt for a quake?
And can you comment on the Oregon floods?
Thank you.
I missed the last part of that.
Well, I didn't.
Would you comment on the Oregon floods?
Of course, I really, in a way, had you do that earlier by asking you if any of this completely bizarre weather It's really difficult to quantify all of that.
I think it's within the capability of HAARP, certainly, to modify whether or not it can affect everything that we've talked about.
We just don't have all the answers.
We don't have independent monitoring to make clear correlations.
And we don't have open science here in the sense of the military fully disclosing.
Let me ask you this, Doctor.
Would, just speculatively, would weather modification be, do you think, a prime goal of the project at some point, or would it be a byproduct of a goal?
They would never acknowledge it as a goal because they would immediately be in violation of international treaties.
Because weather modification as a weapon of war and with the Air Force and Navy being involved they couldn't deny it
Is prohibited by international agreement from 1976. This is the end of side one. Please leave the case article from
Defense News Referencing a project called space cast 2020 wherein
weather modification was discussed and the idea of perhaps Revisiting the whole question of whether or not this ought
to be a probe prohibited prohibited area Was explored and announced in that defense news article we
cited in the book itself The point is they're not going to ever admit that, because to admit it means that they've got to then really
We've come under the scrutiny of 60-plus other nations that were signatories to that same agreement.
As a byproduct, I think that that's legitimate.
And also, in one of the documents on HARP that raises this question by an individual to the Spectrum Planning Committee, which is a branch of the Department of Commerce that was dealing with this issue, this very same question, what they said is kind of interesting.
As long as the power levels are such that weather modification or weather changes don't affect another sovereign country, it's apparently permissible under the Act, or under the agreement, which is an interesting correlation because that's the same thing that exists in our chemical weapons bans.
What we cannot use in a conflict with another country, a declared enemy, We can in fact continue to develop and use chemical and biological weapons domestically.
And have done it.
Yeah, and that is right in these international agreements.
And we cite the paragraphs and sections of that particular international agreement again in the book to draw people's attention to the fact that here we have Technologies that we can't even use against someone we declare as an enemy, and yet we can continue to use or can use against our own people.
In fact, in the whole non-lethal weapons area, which includes chemicals as well as all of these other things we've been discussing, there's been three meetings that we cite in the book, conferences between Department of Defense and Department of Justice from 1980, early 80s, and then 87, and then one in the 90s.
uh... and what the one in the nineties the last one was actually sponsored by
los alamos laboratories in the whole conference was classified except for the
agenda on the agenda were radio frequency weapons among other
things and what they were essentially doing is talking about the
transfer of technology from department of defense department of justice
and then as late as nineteen ninety four there was a draft policy that was later solidified in a
memorandum of agreement between department of defense department of justice
doing exactly that transferring uh... these technologies
and uh... and and developing a method for dual use uh... of a number of these technologies between those two
departments to specifically utilize them
uh... domestically So, Doctor, let me, if I could, let me return to an earlier
point with regard to the Gulf War.
There have been Gulf War hearings, Gulf War Syndrome hearings in Washington, a number of them, and all kinds of people have testified to all kinds of things, usually chemical or biological or even nuclear, you know, whether there was this or that exposure.
Has there been any testimony in the hearings that enters in or questions the kind of areas that we're talking about right now?
Not that I'm aware of.
I think the biological issues are like half the story, because one of the other ways that you could utilize a radio frequency weapon, as an example, would be to deliberately put into an environment, either by delivery through the ordnance that you're dropping, or perhaps even the heavy metals or trace elements that the ordnance itself has in it.
Any of that that would be taken into the biological system, the human beings, In the in the battlefield and then to bombard the battlefield with radio frequency weapons to enhance the effects of those elements would be another way to deliver it or if you looked at a chemical agent delivered in such minutic amounts that it was very very difficult to detect like what we heard about in the Gulf War where it was detected just in these real strange sporadic areas but if you can get just some of that into each of those people
and then hit them with the right resonating frequency, then you might create an amplification
effect that indeed would manifest itself as a serious illness or disorder or disease that
would be unexplainable, which is exactly the kind of circumstances we have.
So whether or not they were purely just biological or chemical agents or whether or not they
were enhanced in their effect by radio frequency I think is most likely the case because it's
just the whole nature of how all of that is unfolding and I think time will tell whether
we're right in that assertion or not, but it would be interesting to see the military
brought to task as to what kind of new...
New weapons technologies were tried because they did announce, going into Somalia, Bosnia, and I believe in Desert Storm as well, that they were going to take in a number of non-lethal weapons.
And I know in the case of Somalia and Bosnia, they haven't fully disclosed what all those might be.
And whenever the military is pinned down on radio frequency and microwave weapons, the general response is, sorry, can't talk about it, it's classified.
Except on this last Sunday's 60 Minutes segment, where those very weapon systems came up.
And there were two people talking and the one person in the military says to the other one, you're going to get in trouble for saying that.
You're going to get in trouble for saying that.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Because they spilled their guts and started to tell more than they should have.
And then there was also then the story, Doctor, of General Schwarzkopf.
That's somebody I really admire.
He's a straightforward American.
He said one of the most godforsaken decisions he had to make During the war, was whether or not to bomb the biological chemical facilities of Saddam Hussein.
He said that the scientists who came to him said, use high heat, high light intensive bombs and you will destroy these agents.
Or, we think you will.
So he said he had to make that decision without a full assurance that there would be total destruction of these horrible things.
And I have to wonder, frankly, Whether there was total destruction.
Yes, because in this case, as we're speaking, even if some of this were to escape into the environment, be picked up and absorbed by people, and then hit with this new class of weapons resonating at the right frequencies, we've got big problems.
Whether it's accidental or deliberate, war is ugly, war is horrible, we all agree on that.
But maybe these weapons go to the same classification as what we found in the trenches in World War I, that biological, or in that case, chemical agents, were inhumane.
And maybe that's really what we're talking about here, is the inhumanity of a weapon system that can create these kinds of effects.
And the need for them becomes somewhat questionable, particularly when you consider these technological transfers to the Department of Justice, when you consider the whole concept of the military in this case, I'm looking at the introduction of new technologies that they know full well run counter to American values, and they actually spell it out in their own document.
All right.
They're looking for ways to bring them.
All right, Dr. Baxter Jones, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich, hello.
Hi, Mark in Madison.
Madison, Wisconsin, yes.
WTDY.
You bet.
Let's just get to the bottom line.
What you guys are talking about is that if this is really true, it's all hypothetical right now, but if it's really true that they're actually using this technology, it would be beyond Any lay person's comprehension that they would even want to use these things?
I'm sorry, it is not hypothetical, is it, Doctor?
No, in fact, our book is extremely well footnoted.
We have 350 footnotes covering each of the major points.
Our own opinions are clearly stated as our opinions, and the facts are clearly stated as such.
We extensively quote government documents.
This book was not put together in the way many books on revealing, startling subjects are.
We were very, very careful to follow some strict standard of at least journalistic presentation so that people could look at it, read it, and understand it because we do explain it very well so laypeople can understand our work, and then be able to footnote it in a way so you can go right back to those source documents yourself, see them in their full context, and know quite clearly that what we've said is exactly the
state of the technology today.
It's not hypothetical. It's not written in a way that can't be understood.
We felt an obligation to take the time out of our lives for the last year now, almost two years,
to make sure we could explain this because it is a very, very important state of the technology
and a state of the technology that deserves public debate.
It's not that we don't think we need a strong defense.
Quite to the contrary, we do.
But we need a strong defense that also is reflective of American values.
I mean, what are we defending?
We're defending those very values that in many ways these weapon systems violate.
And that just does not sit well with me as an American.
And it does not fit well with most of the people that read our material and hear our story.
A lot of people think what you're talking about is pure science fiction.
They think it's some future projection of something that might be done.
Well, it's not.
It's being done now.
It's being done right up there in Alaska.
That's right.
Alright, first time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hello.
No, I think we just missed that person.
Ease to the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, Eric.
Good morning.
Where are you, sir?
Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
All right.
I wanted to ask you a question.
I think on your last show, you had a scenario of using this microwave energy that if they were to use it, you'd be walking around and you'd hear a clicking in your head, and being that we're 98% water, what would happen to us?
What we were probably talking about, I mean, I know we got a question, I don't remember which show it was on, whether it was Arts or a different one, about the Taos hum, which is perceived as that way, and certain radio frequencies, certain people perceive them as a buzz or a low, like, diesel rumbling sound.
Doctor, let me interrupt.
I can tell you what he's talking about.
He's confusing guests.
I had a guest on who wrote a book called Sunstroke, which was actually science fiction, although there is such a project ongoing to beam back to Earth via satellite, by microwave, energy gathered in space, park a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, gather in the power, put it into klystrons, and transmit it back to Earth.
It is a technology that could be achieved now.
Were this satellite to drift a little bit out of its window, as satellites can be known to do, this microwave beam would begin scorching across the Earth, and that's where the clicking sound came from.
That would be the first warning that you were being literally cooked by microwaves, and that's what the caller was referring to.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hello there.
Hello.
Yes, sir, you're on the air.
Where are you?
St.
Louis, Missouri.
All right, go ahead.
I was wondering, You mentioned Nikola Tesla's idea of free energy transmission?
Yes.
Over an open air medium?
Yes.
My question is, this technology seems more useful as an electromagnetic propulsion system.
If these large amounts of energy can be built up by a domino effect of magnetic resonance buildup, I was wondering if this could be a possible application of this technology?
Alright.
It's beyond the scope of my expertise to answer the question.
I'm sorry.
You know, Tesla was attributed with a lot of interesting ideas and technologies, but I really can't, I don't feel qualified to answer that particular question.
No, I'm glad that you're really not actually ranging out of your field, and I appreciate that.
Well, as for the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Biggich.
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
Mr. Magic Christian from Ventura, California?
Yes.
Good evening, Dr. Biggich.
Good evening.
Good to speak to you.
I don't know if What your belief system is, and this might sound like an off-the-wall question concerning a belief system, but as my moniker states, I'm a Christian, Bible-believing.
Are you familiar with Hal Lindsey?
Yes.
Well, he writes on scientific matters as well as biblical prophecy and the applications thereof.
He wrote in one of his books a follow-up to The Late Great Planet Earth called Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth.
Yeah, I read the book.
Are you familiar with him saying the Prince of the Power of the Air referenced that Paul mentioned the New Testament could very well be electricity or electromagnetism?
I've heard it referenced.
It was a while since I read that book, but I've heard it referenced in discussion of this subject before by folks with similar beliefs as yours.
Well, he's right.
We're a little far afield here scientifically.
Here's to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Dr. Nick Bigot.
Shalom.
Yes, the name of the book.
The name of the book is Angels Don't Play This Harp.
H-A-A-R-P.
Where are you calling from, please?
KTRH, Houston, Texas.
Houston.
All right.
Any questions?
Yes.
I was a welder at one time, and I believe I heard Mr. Baggage mention that he wasn't an expert on RF frequency, but I was just curious if he could maybe highlight Anything about TIG-type welding and the radio frequency of it?
Alright, I'd be interested in that myself.
Welding... Welders use an incredibly high amperage, which must generate an electromagnetic field as they do their welding.
Would that be an accurate statement?
Yeah, obviously, wherever you have electric current, you have magnetic field.
I don't know that much about welding so I can't answer the question, but certainly wherever you're working in an environment where you have magnetic fields, if they're in the right resonating frequencies, they can affect physiology.
Now whether or not that particular source would create a biological effect, I would need to know quite a bit more about it.
This whole area of energy science that applies to these weapons systems, sort of the other side of the coin, deals with There are some positive effects that can be created by the same basic knowledge.
In fact, electro-medicine I think many people are going to hear more and more about in the next decade.
Doctor, you've talked about directed energy.
We have concerns on Gold Planet Earth here now about undirected energy.
My God, there's a controversy now about power lines that go over people's homes.
There was a study of poor ham radio operators like me.
that showed that people who were exposed to RF energy in the medium wave frequencies
had cancer rates that were astoundingly higher than that of the general population.
And this is generally strong but undirected RF energy.
Yeah, and there's more and more evidence.
In fact, I believe the evidence is conclusive at this point that the right kind of exposures over a prolonged period of time, in some instances shorter periods of time than others, do in fact create biological risk.
But likewise, my friends who research and actually apply electromedicine technologies to healing systems in Europe using a combination of low-intensity laser and electricity through the acupuncture system
have found profound positive health effects when it's well understood what they're in fact doing. And
they've treated one particular individual, Rahel McHale, who I reference in
the book, treated over 12,000 patients, many of whom
the mainstream medical profession wrote off as as terminal.
600 of those terminal patients formed foundations to support his work over the years because they're still alive and kicking when they shouldn't have been.
All right, boy, does that ever bring up a question?
And we'll get to it right after the news.
Relax, have another cup of coffee.
I guess we'll take you the whole way.
I'm gonna ask the doctor about something Wayne Green said when he was on the program.
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You betcha.
Alright, I want to briefly ask you, and then we'll go back to the phones.
I had Wayne Green, Who's a never-say-die kind of guy, ham radio operator, runs 73 Magazine.
You may or may not have ever heard of him.
Actually, I think I met him at a conference recently.
I wouldn't surprise me.
He lives in New England, is that correct?
That is correct, yes.
Yes, in fact, I know I met him.
He has a device that he says passes current, and he recommends it be done through the ankles or at the ankles.
Maybe you're familiar with this.
In alternating polarities, through the ankle, and through the major arteries that pass through the ankle, and through the blood, which he claims can neutralize viruses, perhaps even the AIDS virus.
And that would be one application of the kind of Yes, as a matter of fact, it could.
In fact, I do know where he and I met.
It was at a Global Sciences Conference in Tampa, Florida just about a month ago.
In fact, this is exactly what we're talking about.
We're talking about electromedicine, the system that my friend in Finland is utilizing.
Incidentally, he was challenged by his equivalent of the FDA and sustained the challenge, so it's able to be practiced in Finland.
It's a system that uses a helium-neon laser, which is a low-intensity laser in the sense that it doesn't burn you, but it does break the skin resistance.
It also has around the tip of the laser an electrode that also sends an electric current
that resonates harmonically with the laser.
Now what happens with this device that is unique is when you take the device and you
move it across an acupuncture point, there is a distinct skin resistance differential.
So at first it acts as a receiver and you move it across and the electrode acts as a
receiver and when you hit the acupuncture point you get an audible sound, beep, beep,
beep, beep, beep, tells you you are right on the target.
Then you flip a switch, reverse it and then you are sending the laser pulse and the electric
current into that acupuncture point which then has a profound effect, I mean a much
stronger effect than needling because you are actually pushing energy into the acupuncture
grid and creating in fact chemical reactions and changes.
in rebalancing the body that actually leads to healing.
Now he's used it in cardiovascular disease, treating diabetes, MS, a number of disorders, 12,000 patients he has treated with this system with very, very good success.
In fact, as I said before the break, 600 of his former patients formed foundations to support him in his work.
He lectures all over the world.
He's trained technicians.
This is leading-edge science.
This is a whole new concept in science that we're going to hear more and more about as time goes on.
It's the subject of some of my own research in terms of reporting on this science, talking about what new people on the scene are developing and bringing about, and Europe and Asia is one of our main focuses for the next Maybe you could call it acupuncture plus.
Yeah, I mean, it's the most intriguing system because needling, first of all, to people in the states, we kind of steer away from the needles.
I know I do.
And at the same time, you don't have the risk of infectious disease transmission.
More over, needling requires a high degree of precision.
If you're off a few millimeters, you're not going to get any effect at all.
Whereas with an electro laser, if you're off with the laser, the magnetic field surrounding the electrode will still pick up and pulse in the energy.
But with this precision acupuncture point locating system, basically by measuring skin
resistance you never miss.
I mean it's an incredible technology and I had it demonstrated in Europe when I was there
in November of 94 just before we began this project.
Profound, profound system.
All right, Doctor, let's get back to the phones.
They're all ringing.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hi.
Yeah, how you doing, Art?
How you doing, Dr. Begich?
Great, thanks.
I've been trying to get to you all night when y'all started taking calls.
Where are you, sir?
We're not getting the transmission right now in New Orleans.
New Orleans, all right.
Yeah, but what I wanted to ask was, you know, the ionosphere, have irons you know rapidly moving and it
and it doesn't you take human life on earth
from these cosmic rays and are naturally without the whole project
i was wondering if the whole project uh... you know tried to deter the cosmic rays coming down
to the earth or would it would it uh...
would it be enhanced them uh... if it shoots a hole in the atmosphere in effect
it's going to open up up to even greater levels of exposure uh... and these are the kind of levels of exposure that can
be very very In fact, if you think about it as a whole, that's one concept.
One of the other ways it's been described to us, if they keep the ionospheric instrument operating for a number of hours, you know, nothing stays stationary.
I mean, the planet's moving, so what you're really doing is punching a hole and then ripping a tear in the ionosphere and allowing these cosmic radiations to enter the system.
So if there's a time for a certain amount, and there's always a certain amount that's
going to pass through, but what we're trying to block out is the severe levels that otherwise
would be entering our system, totally altering the genetic blueprint on the planet.
And these are the kinds of risks that we're very concerned about.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begichai.
Hi!
Yeah, I'm glad you're mentioning Nikola Tesla because he should be given more credit and most of the time people don't even know How do you pronounce his name?
Well, the doctor said this technology actually was based in its beginnings with Tesla.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Sillin, California.
All right.
That's close to L.A.
Yep.
Now, I want to ask a question.
Now, how about intersonic effects?
Would this, all this electromagnetic pulsing and so forth, cause Sonic effects, I know there's some thought that they're damaging.
And also, I used to study biomagnetic effects, and I think that's what he was talking about with the laser and so forth.
And of course, so they were just saying that rayon gas can be attracted by power lines, so I assume that there's rayon gas around these antennas that you're really going to get an effect.
Does any of that make sense to you, Doctor?
In terms of sound waves or sonic effects, we're not talking about the same thing here.
We're talking about a radio frequency effect.
In terms of crediting Tesla, he actually occupies a place in our subtitle.
The subtitle is Advances in Tesla Technology.
In terms of biomedical effects, we're talking about all of that in terms of the positive applications of the base science that feeds this kind of weapons system.
Really, the flip side is the military has spent billions of dollars developing the radio frequency weapons in various places across the country to damage health.
Well, that same basic research, if it were released and open to the public, would advance electromedicine probably many decades, which otherwise is happening slowly by independent researchers, which is very, very unfortunate.
In terms of radon gas, I really can't answer that part of the question.
All right.
First-time caller line, your turn with Dr. Nick Begich.
Where are you calling from, please?
Is this Larry M. Pomona?
Yes, sir.
Southern California?
KABC.
Yeah.
Um, I, uh, just after hearing your last show you did with Nick, there was, uh, I heard out of San Diego, there was a professor that got, uh, killed that was, uh, Professor Tectonic.
That's right, in San Diego.
Murdered.
Uh, I'm aware of that, yes.
Okay, I just, uh, it was he... I'm not sure that it relates to anything.
Um, I'm sure you've heard about that, Doctor.
Yeah, we got quite a bit of information about that after it happened, because people were asking the same question.
He was from the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, from the Geophysical Institute.
He was a leading scientist.
In all of the materials we reviewed, we did not see a correlation.
However, we never did find out what specifically he intended to present.
I'm in papers in California, which would have been interesting to see.
That, and was there a motive established or anybody caught for the murder?
I have no update on it.
No, not as far as we know.
In all the press reports that we have, and we have some researchers that have kind of kept us abreast of that, one in Fairbanks and one in another location in Alaska, that keep kind of checking the reports on it and have checked periodically through the university.
It appears to be a random act of violence once again, but who knows?
I mean, anything beyond that would really be highly speculative.
We just don't see it.
He was a brilliant man.
We're sorry to see his passing.
He was one of the fathers of the whole idea of plate tectonics, which has changed the way we view our world, and he'll be missed, I'm sure.
And may be about to change our world.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begichai.
Hello, Art.
Hello, where are you, sir?
I'm in Fort Wayne, Indiana, listening to WGL.
Excellent.
My name is Elijah.
Okay.
And, Art, can I ask you a favor first?
Sure.
Your show has gone off the air right now.
They put, like, an infomercial on.
Well, it's getting late, yeah.
So, for the answer to my question, could you hold me on the line so I could hear?
Yes, go ahead, ask it.
Uh, Nick?
Yeah?
I'm not very familiar with this, but I have heard of studies regarding birds thought to have an extended perception of the electromagnetic spectrum when compared to our own, and speculating that they use the Earth's magnetic field to allow navigation of their seasonal migrations.
Right.
I had noticed this fall that talks of birds were remaining here well into the fall, near even to the winter, and I even thought I saw a group of geese moving in a northerly direction, or at least One other than South, but I assume myself to be mistaken.
When I heard this program, it caused me to wonder if HAARP and other similar projects globally could contribute to the disruption of ecosystems comprised of many various animals thought to use the electromagnetic spectrum in forms we do not fully understand to survive.
I'm glad you raised the point because it is raised in our book and there's some debate, as you said, about whether animals migrate based on orientation along magnetic lines or whether they migrate based upon gravity and light and other different kinds of orientations.
There's strong, strong evidence that the case of orienting along magnetic lines is, in fact, the case.
We raise this in our book.
We raise it, in fact, even on the back cover where we talk about the fact that this kind interference with naturally occurring magnetic lines of
force and just the electromagnetics of the planet could in fact cause animal
species migration patterns to be greatly disrupted which for rural Alaskans
is a very significant thing for fishing fleets in the North Pacific would be
significant in terms of salmon harvests both which are already in big controversy I
mean there was a major controversy with British Columbia and the United
States over salmon stocks because this last year's harvest were great in Alaska and
horrible in BC and so you know we don't know the answer although they did
detect in salmon brains magnetite which is a
you know magnetic mineral that um... that is many believe that it is a part
of the switching system for uh... salmon migration so
in fact university of alaska is actually studying this very thing with salmon
to determine whether or not they might orient mag uh...
through uh...
geomagnetics and if that's the case
this kind of system could greatly disrupt on those patterns which benefit
benefit not only those specific species in mankind but also the entire
potentially entire food chain that might be associated with those species all
right that's your answer caller i think you thank you uh... for the call the question was
the rockies are on the air with dr nick baggage hello
yeah well for that yes sir uh... i just want to make comment sort of a
question uh...
if we've got this technology uh... is it
unrealistic to think that uh... the other world powers would not have it.
And assuming that we got into a world war, would the electromagnetic field be able to be reflected or somehow taken out of commission?
In other words, is there a defense against this kind of weapon?
That's a really good question.
Okay, let's take the first part in terms of the other world powers.
There's an article that appeared that we got after publication of our book.
It was published in the summer of 1993, and it referenced a front page article on April 2nd in a circular in the Soviet Union, or actually Russia, and I'm not sure how to pronounce it.
I'm going to just massacre this word.
It's, I'll spell it, I-Z-V-E-S-T-I-A.
Yep, and that's an official, what's formally an official Soviet government newspaper.
On April 2nd of 93, they made an overture to the United States to join with them in their scientific research on SDI, on strategic defense initiatives, Star Wars weapons.
and when i read this article stunning because it
it actually at the ground-based star wars weapon system that talks about
utilization of antenna raised to generate one billion watch for the
purpose of knocking out
uh... missile by first being able to track them with the same system
and then knock them out by creating a plasma
in front of them that causes them to get these in enormous drag forces
causing them to break up and and and basically crash
amid also mentions biological effects and all of the effects that we've
associated with heart in this article
um... reference than uh... in uh...
referencing that thought uh... former soviet uh... news publications
So, yeah, I think it's fair to say that these weapons exist on some level, certainly in the Soviet Union, based on that, and based on the earlier Woodpecker technology.
Alright, having said that then, go to the second part of the question that I asked.
Is there, would there be, assuming a high-powered HAARP was operating and aimed at us, would there be a defense against it?
And if so, what would that be?
Okay, there's a couple of things that have come up.
First of all, Phillips Laboratories, which is sort of the branch of the Air Force, that's actually where John Haslam Or excuse me, where Hector works at Hascom Air Force Base, is at the same time as they're developing the HAARP technologies, they're also developing what they call hardening technologies.
When you go to Phillips Laboratory on the World Wide Web, you'll see a listing of their major projects, and you'll see a number of projects associated with hardening technologies to guard against electromagnetic radiations of high yields.
In other words, we want to be able to protect against these kinds of systems.
So the same lab that's developing HAARP is also I'm in part developing those technologies.
Alright, Doctor, we've got to hold it there and we'll finish up on this subject when we come back after the bottom of the hour.
Very interesting.
So we know, at least, the military would be protected.
The next question is, what about the civilian population?
And how do you use a weapon like this or have it without testing it?
We'll be back.
This is the end of Side 1.
Skew is the following.
Let us play devil's advocate for a moment and just say this technology absolutely does exist and that it may be used as a weapon.
Would there be any way that a nation, our nation, any nation, would possess a weapon of this sort Without using it, without determining that it would have the desired effect, or as you put it, how did you put it, proving the concept?
Proof of concept.
Proof of concept, thank you.
There would be no way, would there, that you would have such a weapon untested?
I believe they've tested this type of technology.
Normally the ideal environment for testing uh... this kind of weapon with would be in a uh...
war scenario we've certainly had a number of minor conflicts
you know from panama to uh... granada to uh... somalia to bosnia i mean and on
and on the gulf war i believe that that that we've tested on these types of
weapons in those environments
and as they become available onto the military And it's not just me saying this.
Let's take the words of Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor.
And I'm just going to read a very short quote.
It says, unhindered by the restraints of traditional values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control.
Technical and scientific momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits.
And what he was writing about was the introduction of new technologies for what he says are, quote, a more controlled and directed society, unquote.
And, you know, this is exactly what we've been saying, is if they have it, you know, will they use it?
And I think the history shows clearly.
And we lay out a number of those historical events in our book that show that the government, when they've had technologies or wanted to try technologies, They've tested them, and they've even tested a number of their ideas on American people.
And this is well-recorded in the historical record.
It is well-recorded in recent record.
Doctor, as Hazel O'Leary has come forward, talked about giving plutonium or radioactive materials to children, older people, pregnant women.
Now, a government that would do that, And admitted, you know, decades later, I cannot imagine would hesitate in this modern day and age of looser ethics and morality to test whatever they need to test.
Yeah, and this, you know, we show in the book the CIA's testing of LSD on American service members without consent.
Well documented.
And there's, in fact, the document we drew from was a United States Senate report From June 1975, the report to the President by the Commission on CIA Activities within the United States, it's a government document, it's cited in our book.
Another example was the injection of radioactive iodine in Native Alaskan populations.
Currently there's a $470 million lawsuit by Native groups in Alaska against the federal government for those experiments that took place.
I'm in the United States and Alaska.
There's also, in terms of wild science, the University of Alaska Fairbanks, the same university that's front-ending some of this project, entertained the idea of using six thermonuclear detonations on the surface of the ground at Point Hope, Alaska for excavating a bay.
And this was scuttled, I mean fortunately it was scuttled, by the three biological scientists associated Absolutely.
project in the early sixties and those scientists were black ball from the
academic community and only two years ago recognized by our state
legislatures as the heroes that they indeed proved to be because anyone
contemplating that kind of a scheme today would be laughed right out of the
room is being totally in there and absolutely you know and and the funny thing is doctor there was a day
in this country when it if you had told me that our government
was feeding nuclear this or that to children or pregnant women
I... they would have been fighting words for me.
You bet.
And all of us feel that way, and we all feel a sense of betrayal when our government that's supposed to represent us has engaged in this kind of behavior.
This is what we expect of the countries that we were in a cold war with.
And yet, the same kind of things going on within this Within this country, it is abominable.
And the idea that they would continue along these lines, which I believe they have, and I think we prove it, lay it out very clearly in our work, that, you know, this is not science fiction.
This is not something that we dreamed up.
We have put together the source documents.
We know it's the tip of a very large iceberg, but it is sufficient to cause anyone who reads this material to come to a conclusion that, hey, this deserves a public airing at a minimum.
And, you know, at best, a moratorium on this science until we can really, truly assess what we're about to embark on here in this technology.
Doctor, I want to give you one more chance here, and I also want to do it to be careful, because the last time you gave out the number to order your book, it caused havoc in Alaska.
So let's give the number very, very carefully, please.
Okay, the ordering number is area code 907.
2499111.
And the book is with fourth class freight at 1645 with air priority,
which gets you the book in three or four days.
It is 1790.
If you dial that number, if you want to order by mail, it'll also give you the mailing address so you can do that.
And that's how we operate.
We operate on our own work, not on grants or anything like that.
So anything that you do in that regard is very helpful to us, and I think you'll find the book quite compelling and quite interesting.
All right.
East of the Rockies, whoops, you would have been.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Biggett.
In recent years, a lot of UFO activity has seemed to be craft that aren't physical, but more like energy in the sky flying in formation, etc., going together and coming apart.
Do you think there could be any relation between that and HAARP?
I would say that's kind of a reach.
There have been many, many reports of the kinds of craft, or I don't even know if you'd call them craft, sightings of what appear to be energy masses moving together and moving apart.
He's right about that.
But a relationship to HAARP?
Do you see any way?
No, I don't.
There has been some unusual atmospheric observations up near the site.
Nothing like that, however.
What there was at one point observed, there was a barium rocket launch that basically
allows you to see the magnetic lines of force.
And then what they saw around the magnetic line of force was a coil formation, energy
formation, which is exactly what is diagrammed in one of Bernard Eastland's diagrams that
we used in the back of our book to demonstrate cyclotron resonance flowing the opposite direction
of the energy flow in the magnetic line of force.
The magnetic line of force moving from south to north and yet this coiled spring moves
just the opposite direction, which is what eventually would give the military this global
shielding effect that they're looking for at higher energy levels.
All right, East of the Rockies, your turn with Dr. Nick Begich, hello.
Art, I'd like to say hi to you and to Nick.
I'm Bob in Alabama.
Hi Bob.
I'd like to criticize both of you guys for one thing and I'd like to exalt you guys and give you credit in another.
Is that okay?
Fair enough.
You guys are trying to get information that should stay in the hands of people that you know are our friends.
In other words, that's why our guy should not come on the show and let you pick him and open him up and give that information out to the enemy.
But you guys are sharp.
Both of you guys are.
You're knowledgeable, you know.
But think about it.
I mean, we've got a lot of problems out here on this earth.
All right, sir.
I guess here's the way I would respond to it.
The secrets that we may or may not be discussing or disclosing here Are surely known and have been known to our enemy long before they are now known to the American public.
Would you agree with that, Doctor?
Yes, I would agree with that.
So, I don't think we're giving the enemy anything.
I think that we're giving the people something, and that's information that both sides have had for a long time.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Yeah, how you doing, Art?
This is Mr. Nomad calling from Denver.
Yes, sir.
I've got a question for you.
I was looking at my sea crane catalog, and they offer an ELF That's right.
And it picks up disturbances in the Earth's magnetosphere that you can listen to.
You can actually listen to the sounds of the Earth.
And I must tell you, I have one.
And the sounds made by the Earth are somewhat disgusting.
Really?
Yeah.
I could describe it as, it almost sounds like the Earth has gas.
You think this might be caused by the Hart Project?
I think it's caused by...
Well, I don't know what it's caused by.
I'm just describing the sound to you.
Right.
And it's a very odd sound.
It's a receiver worth getting if you're interested, particularly with the kind of earth movements that we've been getting lately.
But any comment as to whether the Heart Project might Well, alright, it's a good question.
In other words, Doctor, with a receiver of that sort, designed to listen to ELF frequencies, if harp were turned on at a certain power level, or reflections from harp were coming down an area where you had a receiver like this, would it be swamped?
I think that you might be able to distinguish a man-made signal from a natural, because a natural is not going to be coherent or rhythmic or create a beat that would be noticeable.
Like the woodpecker, everyone remembers, that's why it got its name, because of that noise, that pecking kind of noise.
So I think if it was a man-made signal, you would see something more coherent.
And that would probably distinguish it from something natural, but it would have to be within the range of whatever that device is designed to pick up.
So there'd be some sort of identifiable rhythm?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
All right.
No, that makes sense.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hi.
Good morning, Art, and good morning, Dr. Begich.
A couple of questions.
First, is the Heart Project basically a phased array?
Yes.
Okay, great.
That means that you can sort of electronically aim it in any direction that you want to.
Yes.
And also that focusing, the focusing properties would come from that.
Absolutely.
Okay, the second question is last time you were on the program, Doctor, you mentioned the development of a white noise screen.
Yes.
Any progress?
It has been developed.
It's not being produced as of yet.
Everyone that's on our mailing list, which is everyone that's ever bought a book from us, will have access to that as soon as it's available.
We'll also make it known to Art that it is available when it is on the market.
I've gotten an opportunity to meet with Patrick Flanagan and talk with Patrick about the devices.
The technology is there.
He's got a prototype of of a personal device for that purpose, and the home unit is just a basic principle applied on a little... Well, okay, that brings me to a question, Doctor.
Thank you, Caller.
Good question.
What kind of levels of white noise generation per millimeter do you think you would need to... Let me describe it the way he described it to me, okay?
Because, again, we're moving out of my area, but let me describe it.
First of all, for the kinds of things that we'd be protecting against would be ELF, in terms of the kinds of ELF power densities that would be relatively low, the kind that would be affecting, say, behavior and health.
And also, this would also guard against ELF generated from other sources, not necessarily just HAARP, but we're talking about those power line transmissions and that kind of ELF generation.
And what he described, I'll describe the circuit because how it matches up, that is getting out of my area again, but let me describe it as he described it to me.
And people with electronics background will be able to figure out how to build one of these if they want to build one on their own.
Sure.
What he envisioned was, first of all, a white noise generator, which sounds like, of course, the noise between radio stations, you know, when you're flipping through the dial, more or less.
Leads off of the device that go to the speaker.
Take those leads off and take those leads and attach them to the input side of a power amplifier.
Right.
On the output side of the power amplifier, connect a conductor and loop that conductor around the area that you want to protect.
And you have to make sure everything matches so you get the circuit to work correctly.
But what it'll do is it'll create a field of light noise.
Yes, and what will happen there is it keeps the ELF from locking on to a biological system
like a human being.
Sure.
So what happens is it's still going to be there but it's not going to be able to lock
on to you so it's not going to be able to alter anything about your body chemistry.
Now the white noise generator isn't throwing a signal into you that's doing something to
something to you, it's just dissipating it basically so it can't lock on and that's what you want
you it's just dissipating it basically so it can't lock on and that's what you want
to happen. You don't want it to lock on to where you start basically kind of moving with
to happen you don't want it to lock on to where you start basically kind of moving with
that ELF which is then what begins to create these varying effects.
that ELF which is then what begins to create these varying effects. Sure, the critical
Sure the critical question though would be how much of a generator isn't throwing a signal into you that's doing
question though would be how much of a white noise generator in terms of output would
you need to neutralize whatever was coming in and you'd need to know what was coming in and
that signal strength before you could determine that. Right, exactly and that's the
basic design that Patrick described would have a reasonably high output to block but exactly
how that configures it again is stretching out of my area of expertise but that's how he
described the circuit.
People who have some knowledge of electronics would be able to build a device, but at very high power densities, obviously, you're not going to be able to block it.
But the kind of power densities that are most likely to be applied to affect mood and behavior are going to be relatively low because we know they don't need to be that high.
They just have to be coherent.
And I would assume the military would want as much reach or bang for the buck as they could get with this leased amount of power expended, at least for that particular kind of application.
All right.
Very good.
We may have time for one more.
Let's do it.
On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
Fine.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Marysville, California.
All right.
The reason I'm calling is several months ago I listened to your program and there is a big power outage across the western United States.
I recall it well.
Yes, and that's the first time I think someone referred to HAARP that night.
I'm not sure.
You know what?
You're right.
Is there any connection?
You know, it's again one of those questions that comes up.
Now, during that particular period of time, there was a scheduled test of HAARP, but whether or not it was firing at that specific moment where we started having those power outages, again, without that independent monitoring, We can't answer the question.
We know that it was scheduled to be firing during that period, but it's intermittent.
It's not always, like, kept on continuously.
And without that independent monitoring, we cannot make those, you know, those statements that says, hey, this was it.
Could it have been?
Absolutely.
With what we know, it could have been, but we just don't have enough independent... Very interesting theory, though, because I'm well aware of the fact that during intense magnetic storms, uh... entire power grids are overloaded
uh... breakers go uh... lots of things go down a magnetic storm uh...
disruption on the sun can cause of all the spikes in long lines that
yeah absolutely blow your mind yep and if harp indeed is a small leverage for a big
occurrence credits not with beyond reason is it
That's right.
And this is the kind of thing that was attributed to the woodpecker signal happening at one point in Canada.
Doctor, Doctor, we could go on forever, but we can't.
We're out of time.
This show is officially finished.
Hey, thank you for having me on again, and I just want to thank all of those that have stayed with us this five hours.
It's been a great show.
Thank you, Doctor.
And good night.
Thank you for being so persistent and hanging in there with us.
Those of you who would like a copy of this program, there was so much material, can get it by calling 1-800-917-4278.
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