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Jan. 14, 1996 - Art Bell
16:06
Dreamland with Art Bell - Linda Moulton Howe - UFOs (partial)
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...who argue no.
Professor Marson feels strongly that it still is.
I think Professor Steele in Australia does.
And to some extent, it hardly matters because it's going to be coming in a year and passing through this part of the solar system anyway, and then it's going to be gone for a long time.
But in terms of orbital calculations, they have a, they're still debating it all.
So that's the most I know up to date.
Well, what bothers me is, I think the earlier facts are hit it on the head.
They come with what they say is a firm figure, and then that changes significantly, and they say this is the new firm figure.
Well, because Jupiter, the Jupiter effect in this solar system, Uh, it can pull things in or have some other kinds of effect and they have to get these things past Jupiter before they really, really can determine it finally.
So that's what's been happening.
Well, I wish they'd said that before it passed Jupiter's effect.
You know, it was as though they were saying, we know for sure that it's going to be 1 to 1.5 AU.
We guarantee that.
And obviously, that was not quite correct.
Right.
So there you are.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Linda Howell.
Hello.
Hi.
I was actually, I don't know if this is having to do with the topic of the question right now.
But I was wanting to ask Linda if she has had any information about non-humanoid, but nonetheless physical, non-earthly organisms.
Like, you know, in other words, like an alien animal or something like that.
Interesting question.
Yeah, that is a very good question and the only thing that really comes to mind are throughout the centuries there have been these constant reports of things like the strange all-black dogs or all-black cats that People have seen either seemingly disappear in thin air or have been associated where there have been a lot of strange animal deaths.
These mysterious animals, are they something from another dimension?
Are they associated with the UFO phenomenon?
There seems to be some eyewitness links on the Bigfoot, for example, that the Bigfoot creature Uh, has been seen actually right next to silver discs with blonde-haired humanoids.
There's several, uh, accounts like that seemingly linking the Bigfoot, uh, to, uh, this UFO phenomenon in a very physical way.
And the Bigfoot has also been very, uh, commonly described in the 1970s, especially in pastures and in fields where mutilated animals were found.
It doesn't mean that somebody saw a Bigfoot mutilate animals.
It means there's been an association, and in some of the abduction literature, people caught up in the abduction syndrome have said that they have the impression that the Bigfoot primate type of creature that disappears in flashes of light is some kind of a biological android, like a robot.
It's certainly all biological that is doing work on this planet for something else of an advanced intelligence.
Well, I hope you will follow up on the Bigfoot samples.
And the reason I say that, Linda, is because a lot of times we get these very exciting reports.
Right.
About a sample or a photograph that is undeniable or something or another.
And then you never hear anything else about it.
Right.
It drives me crazy.
Right.
It's hard to keep up with everything.
I know.
I know.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Linda Howe.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, where are you?
I'm in Quincy, California.
Alright, go ahead, sir.
Yes, I'd like to tell her about this, uh, interesting thing that, uh, about three years ago, I guess it was, up in Montana, the northwestern side of Montana, up around Glacier Park, uh, my, uh, nieces were driving home, and, uh, they found, they saw out in the field, uh, around Kalispell area, which is just outside of Glacier Park, a, um, bright light, And the bright light moved in a westerly direction.
Uh, and they heard this rumbling sound with it.
Uh, it was kind of like, you know, when you go down the road with the windows open.
Right.
Um, and this bright light was, uh, sitting there, you know, just moving in a westerly direction.
And it, uh, and it just continued to move.
And people around that block, uh, saw this, or heard the noise.
They didn't see the light, but they heard the noise in their house and my nieces went running in the house, you know, real fast.
They were just terrified.
And it took them about, oh gosh, I don't know, three or four hours to calm down.
And my sister said that, uh, she said that the dogs were barking and, uh, you know, this weird sound was just really, uh, all over the house.
Uh, and then, and then all of a sudden a bright light left them alone.
And, uh, you know, it just, it just went on.
All right.
Thank you very much.
There's another one.
I, I just, I, I have no idea what to do with stories like that.
Animal reactions are so fascinating because in a lot of these cases around lights, sometimes dogs will go crazy.
There was a case in Colorado where the people on the inside of the house, east of Colorado Springs, were not aware of anything until two large Labrador dogs literally attacked the wall next to the door.
Left great big claw marks, were barking, the people were totally disoriented about what could possibly be happening.
When they opened up the door, outside was this gigantic round light above their house.
Now, when people have aggressive animals like that, the larger majority seem to have animals that go the other way.
That put their tails between their legs and cower.
Power under furniture.
Power under bed.
Just simply don't respond the way you would think.
I had a golden retriever.
It used to go to the bathtub.
It was actually embarrassing.
All right, hold on.
I'll be right back to you.
Whenever there'd be a bang or a noise, this golden retriever of mine, which I very much loved, named Copper, Would take off like a bandit and be centered in the bathtub and you couldn't get that dog to move for a long time.
We'll be right back.
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Okay, with that, back now, uh, to Linda Howe.
Linda, are you there?
I am here.
Good.
Alright, we've got time for a couple more.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Linda Howe.
Where are you calling from, please?
I guess we missed him.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
This is Dan from San Diego, my friend.
Hello?
This is Dan from San Diego.
Am I on?
Yes, you're on.
Turn your radio off, Dan.
Okay.
Alright, hey.
I've been trying to get through to you for months.
Alright, well, you've made it.
Alright, great, Peter.
Hey, I was trying to get my wife back.
Yes.
He's an associate of yours, right?
Yes.
I was talking to him this morning.
I wanted to ask you a question because you didn't want to give me an answer.
Um, I wanted to know if, um, do you think Howard Stern's Miss America book should be translated into Spanish or where it loses cultural impact?
I'm sort of a linguist.
Oh, no, I think Chinese, sir.
Thank you.
Uh, first time caller line, you're on the air with Linda Howell.
Hello.
Yes, this is, uh, Tom.
Hi, Tom.
Where are you?
I'm in, uh, Geneva, Ohio.
Yes, sir.
Uh, yeah, um, I had an experience, um, where, uh, I was in church and I saw this, like, a gray alien creature.
I came face to face with him and I wrote Linda about this and she never got back with me for some reason.
Maybe she was too busy.
It's hard to keep up with all correspondents and I apologize but I do my best.
Well I figured you were probably busy, overwhelmed or something but he sort of like gave me this power to see into the future.
I know that sounds crazy but he gave me this power to see like An hour or two into the future and I witnessed this lady get up in the first row of the church and she put on a pink raincoat and went outside and it started to rain.
And right after church the exact same thing that I saw happened.
And this was like a gray creature and he had like yellow cat eyes.
Okay, now what you're saying is that you had the impression of this being in your mind's eye or you thought you were... I really couldn't tell.
To me the creature looked absolutely real.
Yeah, well there have been stories of people being in church who say that they have seen either the kind of being you're describing, or they have seen tall beings with long hair, or they have seen beings with flowing robes.
What it is about the process of going into church... I think I know.
Okay, go Arch.
Um, I think that when people go to church, they're concentrating on spiritual matters.
They're actually closing the rest of the world out for a period of time, and allowing themselves to feel spiritual.
Right.
And so I think it follows that with that kind of, um... What?
The paradigm they're in.
Well, yeah, I guess paradigm's a fair word.
A little overused, but fair.
They're just in that mode, and so they're open to these kinds of things.
That's just my best guess.
Well, none of us really know, but there have been repeated patterns of stories like this, gentlemen.
You know, they seem incredible to people, even those that experience it, but they are reported many times.
So it isn't just a single event.
Exactly.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Linda Howell.
Hello.
Hi, Linda and Art.
Yes, sir.
You know, Linda, I heard you talking about a biological machine earlier tonight.
Android.
Android, yeah.
And you know what?
When I was a very small, small kid, I'd seen one of those things.
I saw it two different times.
Which type?
It looked like a machine, but the eyes, they were real.
The eyes were real.
Well, my allusion was to the fact that abductees and so-called insiders in the government talk about the fact that the greys that interact with humans, for the most part, are not the primary intelligence, but that are in fact programmed biological androids made specifically to do work here, and the work can Very all over the place, and that raises an even bigger question.
What is the intelligence behind the grey phenomena on the Earth?
And that might even be borne out by the Santilli autopsies, because it was mush inside that creature, save the crystal object removed.
It didn't look like it should look.
Of course, you know, what should it look like?
I have no idea, but I mean, it almost seemed like biological soup.
Well, if it is, let's just say for a second that that crystal was some kind of a power source for a biological android, and the Chantilly creatures are in fact cloned biological androids made to do a specific kind of work.
We don't know how far this goes in terms of all kinds of cloned beings to do work for something else that's very advanced.
That's a big possibility.
Possibly one more.
West of the Rockies for Linda Howe.
You're on the air.
Okay.
Where are you calling from, sir?
Missoula, Montana.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
Go ahead?
Go ahead.
Okay.
I have to relay the story that happened to me in 1975.
It's got to be quick.
Okay.
It was in Plains, Kansas.
And it was 2.30 in the morning or 3 o'clock a friend and myself were fishing and there was they were doing experimental B-52 flying over bombers and they had boxes out in the cornfields and stuff and that had happened for days and one night we were out in the field fishing and this object flew over With bright light and it made a just a straight line and there was no noise.
All right.
Well, thank you.
There's yet one more.
You could take reports like that from now until doomsday.
And by the way, I think we will.
And one of these days, Linda, we've got to nail it down.
Well, at least I'm trying to concentrate on physical hard evidence And tonight, we didn't even go into all the pathology and medical and hard physical facts that we're finding in crop circles and animal mutilations and soil and other things.
And on Dreamland, over the next few months, that's what I will continue to try to concentrate on, the harder facts aspect.
All right.
Well, I appreciate your contribution, and especially done at the last minute like that, Linda.
Bless your heart.
Thank you.
Well, it's been fun, Art, and I look forward to more updates next Sunday.
Good night, Linda.
Good night.
See you next Sunday.
That's Linda Howe, our faithful investigator for Dreamland.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert near Dreamland.
Good night.
This has been Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped.
Yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
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