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Dec. 22, 1995 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - NDEs - Dannion Brinkley

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, depending on your location, time zone-wise.
		From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the west, east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south to South America, north to Sampa country as a whole.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Mark Bell.
		Okay, I promised Daniel Brinkley, and we're going to deliver.
		In 1975, a friend said of Daniel Brinkley that he was a lean, lean fighting machine, just returned to the U.S. from a reconnaissance mission in Nicaragua.
		Friendly country then.
		Anyway, while talking on the phone with a boyhood friend, a bolt of lightning ran down the telephone wire, striking him in the neck.
		Thousands of bolts of electricity went down his spine, traveling through the bottoms of his feet, into the nails in the heel of his shoes, which there immediately welded themselves to the nails in the shoes nailed into the floor.
		So it all became one.
		That's what grounded him, kept him from virtually exploding.
		Lightning picked him up, threw him across the room.
		He opened his eyes once and then died.
		The next 28 minutes, he had an NDE, near-death experience, which included a full-life review.
		That must have been awful.
		A meeting with a celestial being of some sort, the revealing of several visions that would occur prior to the year 2004, 96 out of 117 of which have already come true.
		Sassi was sent back with a mission.
		And some quotes.
		The mission, it's better than what we have in Bosnia, is to put together health centers that will help people facing death, find wellness, and assist people in managing the ever-increasing stress in our world's future, or what I call the quickening.
		His two now, near-death experiences, profoundly as you can imagine they would changed his life.
		Coming up in just a moment, Daniel Brinkley.
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		All right, a best-selling author and renowned speaker, Danian Brinkley, lives in South Carolina, where we're going, as a matter of fact, where he does, you might want to know, hospice work.
		In other words, he works with people who have terminal diseases.
		That's the work he says he was called to do.
		Researches alternative medical therapies, works closely with the National Institute of Health, Board of Compatible and Alternative Medicine, to create a better perspective on wellness.
		Dr. Raymond Moody, who's been on this program, I don't know, three or four times, considers Daniel his most noted student of NDEs.
		He's had two of them.
		The lightning incident I told you about, and then during open heart surgery.
		These were 14 years apart.
		He wrote Saved by the Light First.
		Now he's got a new book out.
		We'll tell you about that.
		It's called A Peace in the Light.
		Has been on Oprah, Larry King Live, Unsolved Mysteries, and probably a zillion other shows, and now he's here.
	Danion, welcome to the program.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You're wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great to have you on, finally.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I don't think that there's anything left for me to talk about.
		You just did the whole conversation so eloquently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to fill in all the blank spots.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to do that, first thing I'm going to do is admit to you, you know, I haven't read, of all things, of all things, I haven't read Saved by the Light.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And so...
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm happy enough that you're reading that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't read it.
		It's in front of me.
		It's a very good guy.
		I just got it.
		So in a way, it's going to make it a lot easier.
		Let's go back to your first experience.
		And if you would, describe in your own words what really happened to you that first time on the telephone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Take this situation.
		I'm 20 years later, as I talk to you now, I'm 20 years later.
		20 years.
		But here's a guy who starts his life as a complete jerk that really has a self-centered, antagonistic type nature that thought that power would be represented by how, you know, literally how brutal you could be and played sports and interreaction and fist fights and reaction and understanding how to do damage to things as a way of life, as a mentality for what I thought was my identity.
		And then ending up in the Vietnam era and going through whole types of situations where I ended up doing intelligence work, doing work in contracts for various agencies where everything that I did was a lot of times for the government, but the reinforcement part would come in that I did a good job blowing something up or destroying something.
		And so I had a continuous cycle of perpetuating an identity of myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you in intelligence in Vietnam?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's just say that I have worked in that.
		I don't like to put that too tight into perspective because then people ask you too many questions about stuff.
		You have to sit there with your mouth shut and just look at them.
		And I mean, I love my country, no question.
		Because I think my country do, and I've taken part in things about what my country's done since the Cold War era and fought proxy wars in countries.
		And because we wanted to preserve our way of life, that we systematically fought many battles and that we fought proxy wars in countries.
		Yeah, there's no question I was a part of that.
		There's no question that I lived in that world.
		There's no question that I watched from that world and that I executed and performed acts that now are the most horrendous things for me to think about in my life, but yet it was a daily routine in the course of where I was by the time I'm 25 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had a whole life of violence.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, it was how I looked at things.
		It's how I dealt with it.
		I didn't listen to it two minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knocked it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What service were you in?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Marine Corps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you got out of the Marine Corps.
		After an army, you got out of the Marine Corps.
		I did the same thing.
		Mine was Air Force, but, you know, after my time, four years, thank you.
		Goodbye.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I stayed.
		I mean, I just went to work doing the same things, but on the outside, because then it was contracts.
		When you look at what a description of me would be now, it would be plausible deniability.
		My existence, you know, like I say, military intelligence is an axiomoron.
		But my particular, if I had to describe it, it would be plausible deniability that you could have someone who knew how to do it to do it, yet you could never take any responsibility for it.
		I think that what we let happen to us, and I know you know this is true because we're in the same age group, that what we let happen is for one day, because a lot of people didn't want to really look at it, we chose to let lying, cheating, stealing, murder become ways in which we operated our government, our way of lives.
		That way has created a moral decay in this country that's really affecting it because we let our, that it was, that instead of facing it and dealing with it, we chose to do the clandestine world which built whole empires.
		I mean, you know, I lived in that from the time I was 19 years old until I was 25 years old, and I still have knowledge and stuff of being around a lot of things that go on in that world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, without you having to say anything, you know, looking at what Hazel O'Leary has admitted we've done to our own people, or looking at Nightline and the other programs that have recently come forward and said, guess what, folks, we've been doing remote viewing officially in part of the U.S. government for 20 years now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty wonderful.
unidentified		So you're absolutely right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So to tell you, I was a part of that, and that was the way the character operated.
		From one day, now, I mean, just a guy from South Carolina who grew up in the 50s and 60s, you know, I'm a baby boomer.
		That's what this book is dedicated to.
		To the baby boomers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about Snoop book now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's what it's dedicated to.
		So I'm 25.
		I come home from my life, which was to go and do reconnaissance or whatever it was, and this was the fall of the Anastasia Smoshi regime, was coming up.
		The Sandinistans, the Monroe Doctrine was in place, so we weren't going to have any foreign governments, so there wasn't going to be democracy.
		But really, what it was, was it didn't suit how the system was working in Central and South America.
		So I would go down and set up what would happen, like do the logistics on it.
		What you would blow up, you destroy infrastructure of things, power generators, systems, people who are in certain places of power, so that you create anarchy, out of which then you reinstall who you want.
		That's just how we've operated, you know, no sense, but that's how we operate it.
		So I come home.
		Quiet little life, very comfortable, real tight, without ever anybody knowing what I did.
		I worked within my family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one thing I wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you jump from a private, excuse me, a public sector life of doing the kind of stuff you were doing, and how do you make that pay your way in the private sector?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'll Say that again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, with the kind of stuff you did in the military, when you get out of the military, oh, that's a whole, I got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is a whole, that is a whole world of wonderment in how all that operates and how you get paid and how all that stuff operates.
		It's a world of wonderment that it is.
		I don't, oh, you, you, you know what?
		When you live in a life for your adult life and you watched it, it became a world that you've watched and you watch it from an inside knowing how it operates and how religious and how wild some of the stuff it does.
		And all those interactions, it's pretty strange.
		So sometime we'll have that conversation, but it won't be on national radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You killed people.
unidentified		Sure.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so here you are.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So here I am home in this quiet life.
		And I'm talking to a friend because I restored antique cars.
		I would restore cars.
		And like everybody in the South, you know, we mess with cars.
		I would restore cars.
		And I had found a 1932 LaSalle, which was with teardrop, which was the magnificent car.
		And I could put it back together really easily.
		All the parts were there and everything.
		And this friend was supposed to help me fix the garage once I took the car out.
		Typical afternoon, just some guy.
		I just happened to live in that clandestine world.
		I go to call him on the telephone.
		And it's like thunder and lightning, like anybody else's life, any just a normal guy, you know.
		All of a sudden, I hear a thunder.
		And I said, Tommy, I have to get off the phone.
		And he says, well, why?
		And I said, well, thunder and lightning.
		He said, well, Mr. Macho, you know, what's the big deal?
		I said, then I'm thinking, I said, well, mom never said talk on the telephone.
		What is thunder and lightning?
		Like, what did he say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mom was right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you know, go do it.
		The next thing, he says, oh, listen to Mr. Tough Guy.
		The next thing that happens, his lightning strikes next to the telephone line.
		It follows down the line.
		I'm hit in the neck by the lightning.
		It runs down my spine.
		It wears the nails in the heels of my shoes to the nails in the floor.
		It throws me in the air.
		It suspends me in the air and it slams me back down on the bed and bends the bed frame.
		I never heard of the near-death experience.
		I wouldn't have believed it if someone had come and told it to me.
		I didn't live in that world.
		I didn't think in that kind of stuff.
		And I didn't even think about death except that I lived around it all the time.
		It could have been my time, but I wasn't into religion.
		I didn't have a whole bunch of preconceived notions about it.
		And all of a sudden, I'm on fire, and I'm burning.
		And I do not know where I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you conscious?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was conscious, pal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when I ask conscious, I'm asking prior to the beginning of what you're going to call the NDE experience, or from the second you got hit physically with the lightning, you were in the NDE at that second?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was on fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were on fire?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It was as though I drank battery acid.
		I mean, I was seriously burning.
		I couldn't move.
		What I was thinking about with my wife, what I thought had happened, because as many a cold day and night when I came to get them, somebody had come to even the score is what my mindset was.
		It was just my time.
		So that's what I thought had happened.
		I couldn't determine if it was a rocket grenade or a hand grenade or a C4, C3, fantastic, or other kind of explosive.
		But I couldn't move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that make sense?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, my automatic reflex was rock, roll, position, load, clip, hit, see, you know, recon, see how much of it's left.
		Tight on.
		And that's my mindset.
		I'm worried about my wife because I didn't know I couldn't move and I couldn't get to her and I'm terrified and I'm burning and I think hardly, I can't see and I don't know what had happened.
		And all of a sudden I'm in this blue gray place.
		A blue gray place comfortable.
		And it's as though I'm floating.
		And it's not like in a swimming pool, but it's more buoyant than that.
		You know, it's not like in the water, but it was more buoyant.
		And I roll over and I see myself lying across the bed.
		I see me.
		I see her down the hall.
		I see her turn and look, and I'm watching myself, and I'm amazed at how much more brilliant and how much more wondrous the colors were of the things that were around me.
		And so many things that had been in this bedroom for as long as I'd lived in the place that I never saw, and the way I was seeing it.
		And I'm watching her come down the hall.
		I watched her try to work on me.
		The guy was on the other end of the phone, heard the explosion.
		He came straight over.
		Can you remember what you looked like on the bed?
		Well, I was smoking.
		The room was filled with smoke.
		There was, I was, I was, it looked like I had steam rising from me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you moving?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I wasn't moving.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you got to realize that I was not breathing for 28 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stopped breathing for 28 minutes.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long before 28 minutes should have expired, you should have undergone brain death.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that that may explain part of my problem.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They say after five minutes you have brain damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I'll accept that, you know, that might be part of my problem, but I've looked at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I think after 28 minutes, at best, you ought to be a mindless vegetable.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But you see, here's the really odd thing about that.
		I would agree, except that that term comes from a concept that was established like 80 years ago.
		They're resuscitating people in hospitals now that have been dead for three hours.
		So The really funny part about it is the now, what is now termed dead, and when you have brain damage and when oxygen brain deprivation and sensory deprivation and those kinds of things, I'm a firm believer that in biological shutdown and biochemical shutdown, when the body goes to the place where it goes, now then I can accept a lot of the theory because I work in hospitals.
		I die with people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I don't want to interrupt your story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A group late Gray Place and you still see your wife coming to you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The two people resuscitating me.
		I see Tommy having a conversation with Sandy and Sandy, he's trying to keep her calm.
		He was a corporate in the Navy, so he knew I wasn't breathing.
		He knew, because, I mean, he had seen people die as he worked in the hospitals in the Navy.
		He knew.
		So he sends her next door to call the paramed.
		And I'm watching him, and I could watch and hear his thoughts of what he felt about me and what he was thinking about and our childhood, because we've been friends a long time, rushing back through his mind.
		The paramedics get there and they're working on me, but they're different.
		They're reacting different.
		Their energy in between them.
		Everyone has a silhouette or an energy form around them.
		I never knew any of this stuff until I was dead.
		And I'm watching this happen.
		They load me in the ambulance.
		I'm watching, instead of going with my body, I move through the house, through the walls, and I'm watching the things.
		And I come out into the place, it's raining.
		I'm watching the raindrops hit my face.
		I'm not disoriented.
		I'm aware and cognizant of so many things that have been in this neighborhood for as long as I've been there, but I've never seen them before.
		And it was as though I was seeing everything.
		Then I'm seeing it, and I'm comfortable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're at a different level of awareness.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable who we are as the powerful and mighty spiritual beings that we are.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And once we lift up out of this body, once we lift up out of it, who do we see that we are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you, during this period of time, conscious enough to be asking yourself questions, or were you just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just an amazing question.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it was just the most awesome, wondrous, curious, loving kind of thing I'd ever been a part of.
		It was the most wondrous thing.
		And what I'm describing happens to everybody.
		It's not just uniquely Daniel Blinkley or the other 14 million people out there who's had one of these in the United States, the estimate.
		But more than 14 million people have had a near-death experience and talked about it, right?
		Okay, so it's not just me.
		This happens to us all.
		But I wasn't thinking, but this guy was working on me.
		Now, I'm paying attention to a lot more things then than I've ever paid attention to.
		I was in an ambulance, and I was in an ambulance, and I had never been in the new truck-type ambulances.
		Before it was like the same car that was the hearse.
		Then all of a sudden, you had a truck that was a paramedic.
		This is how it happened in the South.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Daniel, we've got to hold it there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		So you're in the ambulance, and we'll pick it up right there as we come back, all right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right where you are, Daniel Brinkley.
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		Danien, welcome back.
		Great to be back, Art.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Can I tell you something?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You have some really great sponsors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we do, I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these are great sponsors.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I've written down every one of these numbers, and I will be calling them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
		At any rate, you were in an ambulance.
		You were dead.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you realize that the impact, 28 minutes, no pulse, no respiration, no heartbeat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And what's this?
		Not only that, completely paralyzed for six days, partially paralyzed for seven months.
		It took me two years to learn to walk and feed myself, and I lost more than 60 pounds in the course of it.
		It wasn't just like some guy getting struck by lightning, and all of a sudden, you know, he's dead for a few minutes, and they bring him back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you didn't even get to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they bring you back?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's how they brought me back.
		I just came back.
		But let's tell this story because there's a lot of stuff in between those two.
		Art.
		All of a sudden, I'm in this ambulance, and I'm looking around inside this ambulance because I've never been in one before.
		People are going to be amazed at how alive you are when you're dead.
		You're going to be so amazed at how alive you are and what you're looking at and what you pay attention to that you're not really thinking about that you're dead.
		And I mean, this is me talking to a lot of people who had near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is like a constant thread that I see going through your story, an increased consciousness, awareness of everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like everything's brighter.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, everything is far more in detail and more comprehensible.
		Things are, as you look at it, you absorb and understand what it is, and you know very consciously what it is.
		It's more like you can see things and you think them through.
		The ability of the thought processes begin to change.
		But here I am, never heard of any of this stuff.
		You know, I never heard of it.
		I never even thought about it.
		And I would have humiliated or probably slugged the guy I was shot him to see if he had a near-death experience, whoever told me this story.
		When all of a sudden, the guy says he's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's gone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking to myself, gone where?
		Because I'm not paying attention to what he's doing.
		He begins to move this sheet, and I look over my shoulder at me.
		A tunnel forms.
		This tunnel is moving whether I'm moving or not, and I'm pulled down it.
		I become more comfortable and more at peace with where I'm going and what I'm doing than ever before.
		I was not afraid.
		But it didn't matter where I was, as opposed to that body on fire and burning, and I couldn't walk, and I couldn't see, and I couldn't move, and the pain that I was in, to the place that I was at that moment, I would have never, ever thought about going back.
		Never.
		I would never, even to this day, if I'd had a choice, I wouldn't have gone back to that body.
		And I wouldn't be in this thing now if it was really totally up to me.
		So I come into this place of the most radiant light.
		It's really terrific.
		I mean, it's bright and brilliant.
		And it has this, it's like fog or a mist.
		I'm looking around and yes, I'm thinking about whatever it is, where am I, where is this place?
		What exactly is happening to me?
		But not quite that way.
		More in a lighter state.
		Not quite as worried about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		All of a sudden, out of the right side to my right, this being appears.
		And when I say a being, I mean a B-E-I-N-G for people west of the Rockies.
		Okay, not a being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What exactly did you describe this thing?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Imagine you're in a gym.
		A lot of these descriptions took years for me to come up with.
		And as poor as they are, they're the best I have.
		Imagine being in a big auditorium and someone opens the door.
		And as they open the door to the outside on a sunny day, and you step in and you see the silhouette of a person and the lights around them.
		And that light fills the gym or fills the auditorium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've got the picture.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And then radiating in hues with colors.
		But this emanated colors from the inner part of its inner being.
		It would emanate out in different shades and hues.
		Subtle pastel colors as though its thought processes were changing, its mood, its energy.
		I look down at my hand.
		I'm doing the same thing, but different.
		Not quite as intense or as wondrous as this being I'm seeing, but I'm doing the same thing.
		As I look down at my hand, and I have a hand, and it looks like it's covered in silk, and it looks as though it's more fluid than it does as I look at it in the physical sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This being, as you saw it outlined, or even radiating, would you have...
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So you don't think in those terms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think in those terms?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You're living in the spiritual dimension then.
		You are back home where you came from.
		You begin to automatically acclimate towards it.
		I'm 20 years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but you saw the physical form of your own hand.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, absolutely.
		I mean, and it was there.
		I could literally almost see through it, but I could see that it existed.
		The ethereal body, that I had a body, and I was in one.
		And the one that I had just left, you could have it.
		I didn't care about where it was.
		They were rushing it to the hospital.
		They were sticking needles in it.
		They were pounding on it.
		They say they resuscitated me.
		Some say that they didn't.
		Then they lost me again.
		Another 15 minutes has passed.
		And they covered me with a sheet and rolled me into a little room next to the emergency room and turned the light out.
		I filled out the papers and left them on the top and they turned the light out because they were busy that night.
		This was the medical university.
		They were busy that night in the hospital.
		So that's what's going on while they're rushing me to the hospital, in the ambulance.
		But I'm in this place where this being comes.
		I don't know all that stuff.
		There's a stories that were told to me by the doctors and the people that were there.
		I don't know any of that.
		And then I'm in this place, and I am watching how it's alive.
		And the light, this bright, brilliant light, I'm as much of a part of it as it is a part of me.
		And I know this is where I came from.
		I know that this is the place I'm supposed to be, and this is where I came from.
		And I begin to watch as this happens.
		This being moves closer to me.
		This being comes close to me, I feel this energy, this feeling about being surrounded and comfortable and loving.
		And these are the most important.
		This perspective is the perspective that is in play then.
		It's not my analytical, military-minded, rock and load position.
		That's gone.
		That doesn't even exist in any format in what I'm going through.
		And then this thing gets close to me.
		All of a sudden I start feeling all the childlike feelings that you feel as a kid.
		And then I start forming opinions about them, like in a young adulthood or teenage years or in an adolescence, you form opinions about what you like and what you dislike.
		Then all of a sudden I had a panoramic life of you.
		360 degree panoramic life of you, literally of everything I had ever seen, ever gone through, ever touched, had ever happened, everything.
		Then all of a sudden, as I'm watching all of this and I'm living it, I'm not only experiencing my entire life from birth to the day I got struck by lightning, I am watching it from an overview and I'm also observing it.
		It's as though I'm three perspectives looking at it.
		This was pretty wild for me, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty wild for anybody, but Daniel, considering how you described your earlier life, did you, as you reviewed your life in almost three dimensions, I guess, anger, revulsion.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, Art, it hadn't even started getting good to you yet.
		Wait till you hear this next part.
		And remember, this is going to happen to you, too.
		Everybody that's listening, this is not just one guy from South Carolina.
		I mean, this is just one guy from South Carolina, but this is how you leave this world, too.
		I don't care what anybody tells you.
		This is the way your mom will, your dad will, your brothers and your sisters will help you.
		I'm yourself.
		I'm yourself.
		This is the way you leave this world.
		So not only did I see and feel everything I went through, I literally became every person that I had ever encountered in my life.
		I got to feel the direct results of my interaction between me and those people.
		I not only got to feel the anger, frustration, humiliation, pain, literally horror that I had inflicted on thousands of people, you know, in lots of different countries and lots of different places in that 25 years, but it was awesome to me.
		It was the most humiliating thing, but the humiliation was not so much in that I had done it, but I got to feel.
		That tells me there's justice and there's fairness and there's righteousness and there is a day of judgment.
		But guess who judges you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You judge you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's you who looks at you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You mean people think that there's a God or a devil or they're going to be judged by a force outside of themselves.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They're making a mistake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Daniel, even those of us who have not had death experiences, I'm calling nearest death experience.
		We all, as we begin to get older, begin to judge ourselves, I think.
		We start to review as a natural course our life.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I think that's maturity, though.
		But I think it's that we also are aware of our spiritual side, too, aren't it?
		I'm 45 years old.
		I've been out here dealing in these issues since one day in 1975, by no choice of my own.
		One day, everything I didn't believe and was against, I became.
		And then in the course of it, I saw a system by which we as powerful and mighty spiritual beings leave this world.
		If we could get our mindset back to looking at who we really are, these next seven or eight years won't be near as weird as they're about to become.
		But if we don't do that, we put ourselves in place where by virtually being afraid of death, we set up such fear-based psychologies, we give up most of our freedoms and our rights.
		And if there ever was a time that a one-world government or all those conspiriology, theoretical applications could be in place, it's right now.
		It's right now.
		So by us looking at it and by doing this show, I mean, I'm a 45-year-old guy.
		I've been here 20 years, but I've been through two near-death experiences.
		One at 25 years old when I was the biggest asshole in the world.
		And another one 14 years later when I had to have open heart surgery.
		They took my heart out of my chest.
		And they stopped the heartbeat, put me on pumps, life support systems, and cut my heart open.
		And I had a second near-death experience.
		In the course of that, from being that jerk, I became a hospice volunteer.
		I've been a hospice volunteer for 17 years.
		I've been a nursing home volunteer for 12 years.
		I got my 151st patient or person or friend, as you want to call them, that I've been with in various stages of death.
		So I not only have the nature of growing up in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, I'm not only a baby boomer, but I've been through this twice.
		I've been around since Dr. Raymond Moody first wrote his book in 1975.
		I'm one of the first people that he talked to as he was putting this book together.
		I know every major researcher in the world that deals with these issues.
		And I know and study everything that I can find out about them because I believe that us not being afraid of dying, not being afraid of it, and looking at death based on just as I've seen it happen twice.
		You know, we were talking about earlier.
		It doesn't take a damn rocket scientist.
		If you kill a guy a couple of times, he'll figure something out.
		People ask me, they say, Dan, well, did you get religion?
		No, I did not get religion.
		Did you get spiritual?
		Yes, I got a little spiritual out of it.
		What did you get?
		I got smart.
		You know?
		I'll see how it operates.
		And I've heard people who were breathing their last breath tell me the same thing.
		That's what I write about in these books.
		Says by the light is the history, which is what we're talking about now.
		A piece in the light is me looking back at 20 years, talking to the generation that's born between 1940 and 1964.
		You're born between 1940 and 1964.
		You're in the same place where I am.
		You're looking at the same issues that I'm dealing with.
		You're looking at your mortality.
		And you're trying to figure out how to deal with the people who you love and those who have loved you face-bears, moms and dads, aunts and uncles and friends, neighbors, brothers, and sisters.
		And what I deal with is looking at these issues for these 20 years, how to take and take what's happened to me and apply it to your everyday life and watch the same things that I've been watching.
		The predictions, the so-called prophecies that everybody rants and raves about that keeps coming true.
		But when people ask me, did I become a prophet or a seer?
		I say no.
		I went through this experience when I was struck by lightning.
		These are the things that I saw happen, written down, documented.
		I mean, you know, this is 20 years ago.
		It's not something I just started talking about yesterday.
		It's 20 years from people who were the early researchers in this hearing these things as we would talk in the early days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is interesting.
		You wrote this book at a very timely moment.
		NBC ran a story the other night about people turning 50.
		There are now 10,000 people in America turning 50 every day, and they're beginning to realize, as you've suggested, their own mortality.
		They're beginning to become, according to NBC and their surveys, spiritual, not, interestingly, not necessarily with structured religion.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're becoming, according to all the surveys, more spiritual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your book is out for these people at just the right time.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, because, look, spirit designs so much of what this is, Art.
		I spent 20 years, my entire adult life, here, and I changed.
		And if there was somebody out there who grew up in the same time frame and who's been through what I've been through, and that person was not writing books and talking, helping me deal with my mortality and dealing with the issues of my friends and neighbors and brothers and sisters, got cancer and AIDS, and now my mom and my dad died.
		My aunts and my uncles.
		If that person wasn't out there helping me, I'd have an opinion about it.
		Okay?
		I mean, I'd have one.
		And it's happened to me.
		I didn't volunteer for it.
		And the way I learned it Was being struck by lightning one day.
		Everything I was totally against one day I became.
		And I watched it and looked at it.
		And then the second time, when they cut my heart out of my chest because of the complications from dealing with being struck by lightning, and I just keeled over.
		I went to the, you know, I just keeled over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And when you get there, when you get there, and you look at it, we are in a place by providing, I believe that the greatest sin and greatest crisis that we are in this country and in this whole world is that we allow people to die alone.
		And everybody knows that I'm a closet hospice volunteer, that my big thing in my life is that people learn to do hospice work.
		And I've recruited nearly 8,000 hospice volunteers.
		And I've helped hospice programs all over this country.
		And I'm an avid supporter, believer.
		And I'm also a hospice volunteer myself for 17 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you do a lot of it, don't you?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I don't just talk this crap.
		You just, I do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, when you go in and you're working with a dying person, do you come at them just about the way you're coming at us right now?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It depends on the person.
		I come at each person where they come from.
		Some people that I go, that I'm with for a year, I never talk about near-death experience.
		I never deal with the issues.
		What I deal with is that's what a piece is about.
		A piece is me having and developing a structure by which to be able to become intuitive and to deal with the issues of closure in the final days, right?
		And I write chapters about how to deal with it, what to look at.
		I'm a practical application kind of guy.
		I've went through the experiences.
		I understand that we're powerful spiritual beings.
		I understand that we don't die.
		And I understand that the way that institutions, religions, and our government has us, but we're afraid of facing these issues.
		And by not facing them, we create so many ways of horror, like the 20 cents of every dollar in health care is spending the last six months of life to extend life an average of 19 days.
		I know that means that they are torturing people to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So I support living wills, and I talk about the issues in the book.
		There's some pretty cosmic stuff being saved by the light, and then at peace in the light.
		There's no question about it.
		There are predictions or things of the future that, and I know we'll talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what's coming.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		We'll save that to the end so we keep them on the line.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you hook him, man.
		Look, I'm a very good friend of Gordon Michael Scallion's.
		He's terrific.
		He is a very, you know, and what I've said of him on the air, because I've talked to Gordon for hours off the air, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is like a real person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like a real person.
		And whether, you know, what he says is real or will come to pass, I don't know.
		All I know is he is really sincere.
		And as far as I'm concerned, if there is the real McCoy, Gordon's the one.
		I've spent hours with him on the phone.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon is predicting probability.
		And I hope people underline that word.
		Probability now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, because we all have the ability to change and alter all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of a series of events that will, you know, not end the world, but it's going to change everything, and there will be millions that will not make it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that'll be the great part.
		So remember the difference between cataclysm and natural disasters and what we perpetrate on each other as we live in this human existence.
		One of the main things is when you see your life pass before you twice, when you see it happen twice, 14 years apart, you learn a system of how to look at your everyday life.
		That's what that teeth is about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, we're at the top of the alley.
		One quick question.
		We're both experiences pretty much the same?
unidentified		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And so will everyone else.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The way I'm describing is the way it happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the place to hold it.
		When we come back, we'll go down the scallion alley a little bit here and see what you can say about that.
		Daniel Brinkley is my guest in South Carolina.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Daniel Brinkley.
		If you have missed the first hour, there's no way I can encapsulate it for you properly.
		Daniel Brinkley should be known to you by reputation worldwide.
		He lives in South Carolina.
unidentified		When he was a young man, he was a bad man.
unidentified		He was a rough youngster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then he went to Vietnam and did a lot of things that he, I believe, regrets now.
		Then he had two, what I call, death experiences.
		One after being struck by lightning, which took many months to recover from, was really the first study done by Raymond Moody.
		And later, a second death experience during open heart surgery.
		We're talking about it.
		We'll be back to him in just a moment.
		New technology is one of my favorite things, as you know.
		7-2.
		Back now to South Carolina and Daniel Brinkley.
		Danien, you're on the air again.
		I mentioned prior to the hour, Gordon Michael Scallion.
		When you had the experiences you had, and I don't know whether it was one or both times, well, first let me say this.
		I followed Gordon, and his predictions are made in an interesting way.
		He'll talk of three television screens he sees, one more brightly than the other, the most likely future course for the events that he sees portrayed on these screens.
		And he has become more and more specific lately, Daniel, predicting a series of earth-changing events.
		And frankly, his hit rate, damn it all, appears to be too close for comfort, or the words I would use.
		A recent earthquake, well, one in Fan 8.0, north of Japan, then another one in the Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean region that he has just predicted.
		Should this cycle continue, horrendous things are predicted.
		Did you see any of the same sort of thing in any way?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
		I mean, I know Gordon Michael.
		I think he's terrific.
		I mean, a lot of that stuff, I don't focus so much on earthquakes.
		But see, here's what happened to me, Art.
		After I had the panoramic life review in the being of life, I traveled with this being of light to a place that were like crystal cities.
		The only way I could describe them.
		I went into this building that was the most magnificent, most wondrous thing I'd ever seen in my life.
		I mean, I marveled at what it was built of.
		It was built of glass, and it radiated.
		And as I was there, I came before these 12 beings.
		First, there was nothing, no one else there but me, and then these 12 magnificent beings in front of me.
		And as I watched each of these beings, they transmitted to me like in a box, what I would call a video box, much like Michael is, Gordon Michael is describing.
		It would come at me from each of these beings.
		It would send its own box, and the box would open up, and I would look in, and then all of a sudden I was back in physical reality.
		I was living these events.
		I was watching things go on.
		Like in 1975, I said that there would be a nuclear accident in the Soviet Union in 1986, and then there would be a second nuclear accident in 1995 between Norway and between Russia and Norway.
		And I said there would be economic collapse of America, and it would come in 94 to 96.
		And I said America would go to war, and that the Soviet Union would collapse in 1989, and that America would go to war in the first weeks of August of 1990, and it would be called Storm something, and it would be in the Middle East.
unidentified		And I mean, on and on and on and on and on.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that also is that as America moves into economic instability, that there will be a series of major earthquakes worldwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to stop you for a second.
		Your friend, in the introduction I read when we began the interview, said 96 out of 117 visions that you've had have come true.
		Now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Now, remember where this came from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's an uncle?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is a 20-year-old grant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to just ask.
		Gordon Michael has a newsletter.
		I haven't followed your life well enough to know the predictions that you made, and they're not really predictions, I'm sorry.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is what I follow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The visions.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The visions that I predicted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That young art.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Were they in some way similar to what he was experiencing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, documented.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Like, listed or 20 years old.
		In the early days of art, I told everybody everything.
		You know, I would just tell everybody.
		And when I was doing the early days of the research, most of the early researchers had heard these stories.
		And it was them who told, they begin to talk to each other.
		And then they would start telling other people.
		And they would say, you know, I wasn't out ranting and raving about the predictions.
		Because my concept of being able to look into the future was based on the fact that that would give me no place to run.
		That I would have to stay stick and do what I was appointed and what I was told to do to get it done.
		And I never looked at being a prophet as a very, very, you know, I never had a good effect on that.
		You know, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess these are just words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know whether you call it prophecy or things that you relate that are coming because of visions you have.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is what I see as the future.
		And what Gordon is, Michael is talking about, I saw two major earthquakes.
		I mean, there were worldwide earthquakes going on.
		But the ones that I was focused on happened in America, somewhere in the middle of America, and then somewhere on the west coast.
		And you would know how it would be triggered because you would have a series of earthquakes from Mexico all the way down to Chile.
		And once that happened, and this is like all this has to happen before 1998, 99.
		I mean, it has to occur by then.
		And that this series of events would cause the pressure of civil strife in South America and the earthquakes, collapsing economies, and then a worldwide, I mean, a Western hemisphere movement, a migration from people like immigrants into the United States that would force this issue into the southern state, I mean to the southwestern states.
		And that this would be the way that you would know that we had entered that phase where if we weren't careful and didn't pay attention to where you were, then whereas the East Coast would literally be, I mean, the West Coast would literally be devastated.
		I mean, everywhere in that train of events.
		In the middle of America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon said that he saw millions of people coming from California to my state, Nevada, and others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He saw a mass movement of refugees.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		There should be even more than that.
unidentified		I mean, it will be millions and millions.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but see, listen, remember this.
		Remember this, Art.
		In our spiritual context, when an earthquake takes 20,000 people and they're gone from the face of the earth in this earthquake, just like Mardi Gras on the spiritual side, they don't care how you got back.
		They glad you're home.
		Listen to me, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I am listening to you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a complete difference between what's going on in Bosnia and murdering and raping and killing each other as opposed to natural disasters.
		So as people prepare and as they look at their lives, because I write about it too, I mean, some of the stuff that I've seen comes true.
		It scares the hang out of me, but it doesn't mean that I'm not going to tell people and write it and tell it as honestly as I can tell it because I have to deal with it.
		They can buy the book and deal with it and see how to protect themselves in a lot of situations, or they don't have to.
		I have to deal with it, you know.
		But I always beveraged like, I like understanding that I can see from the visions that I saw 20 years ago and how consistent they keep coming true.
		It just means that what they're doing on the other side, they know what they're doing, because the key to the whole visions that I saw was that we could affect it.
		We can't affect natural phenomena that's going to occur.
		And what really gets me about people, Borden Michael is sensing the nature of this planet in a solar system with thousands and thousands and thousands of other planets working in conjunction with each other in the natural course of their evolutionary process as a planet.
		And for us to conceive that thinks that we are having any great and grand effect on that other than we might be messing up their environment, which is true.
		But the Earth and the natural nature of this solar system and this physical existence will in itself balance itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Let me stop you for a second and hear you with my own little thing.
		You haven't heard this because we haven't talked about it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to hurt me, are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
		Anyway, I doubt I could, based on what you told me.
		I am a talk show host.
		I haven't been tried.
		I haven't had an NDE or a deaf experience.
		Or I haven't seen what Gordon says he's seen.
		But I've been doing this program or a form of it all night long for 11 years now.
		And I perceive that events, economic, political, social, all areas of human endeavor right now are accelerating, quickening, quickening, moving quickly toward, I don't know.
		Well, okay, I don't know what.
		You know, I haven't seen that.
		But I do perceive what I call a quickening.
		And then there's one other thing, and this is maybe a little on the negative side, but I'll run it by you very quickly.
		And that is that, remember the old movie, High and Mighty?
		They're going from Honolulu to San Francisco.
		And in those days, you only had enough gas to get from point A to point B, not extra, so that by the time you're out in the mid-Pacific past the halfway point, you reach what was called a point of no return.
		And that meant no matter what the heck happened to the aircraft, you had to go on.
		You're going on.
		You sure as hell weren't going back because you didn't have enough gas to get back.
		So I kind of think that we passed that point.
		I feel that we passed that point of no return.
		Now, that doesn't mean I think the end of the world's coming.
		It just means that I think that we're going to go on to whatever is next and that it's not very far away.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I agree 100%.
		And I don't think that the time has passed.
		I think we're in it.
		In 1975 and 1976, in conversations that are recorded on cassettes, it's written down, it's in newspaper articles, I said that 1994 to 1996 would be the year that we would make the greatest impact and to put our spiritual selves in order and to really catch our breath.
		And I believe that we would do that.
		I believe that it's happening.
		And so we have the ability to alter much of the future that's coming as powerful spiritual beings.
		And we must accept that place and we must identify with that place.
		And the near-death experience affords the greatest opportunity for people outside of religion and government and institutions to look at how and who we really are, to identify ourselves, to look at the death issue, to get past that, because this world is going to change.
		It's going to go economically.
		It's going to go physiologically and environmentally because the shift and change is happening naturally as well as that we are at a certain juncture in the growth process of the spiritual, physical dimension we call this life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right then, I'll just lay this out.
		Should these changes occur, They are going to occur.
		Okay, when they occur.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now you're telling me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When they occur, I'll stick with your vocabulary here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When they occur, a lot of people, I mean, it's like right now, you're talking to a lot of people who aren't going to be here.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And that great, lucky dog.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Lucky dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so lay it really out straight for them.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And if somebody were to ask you, look, Daniel, tell me about death, the greatest, most wondrous part in that, number one, it doesn't happen.
		Number two, you know, as a powerful and mighty spiritual being, that in you, what you're supposed to be doing and how you're supposed to be doing it, you know that and most of us are doing that.
		The crisis comes in that we have been so driven into a fear-based psychology that death is some ultimate end, final judgment.
		You go to heaven and hell.
		That it's the greatest control mechanism and the greatest hope ever put upon us.
		I recommend, and I say this all over, I lecture it all over the world, I talk about it, that if you go do hospice work, if you go and get yourself involved in this issue, all over the world, I talk about it, that if you go do hospice work, if you go and get yourself involved in this issue, put yourself in a place, because you're going to be there anyway, but in a lot more turbulent times, you're going to find out how deeply powerful and spiritual you are.
		You're going to find out how to identify, how to deal with the issues going on, how to reduce stress in your life.
		That's what I write about.
		I mean, that's what all I talk about.
		As I see this stuff happening, it's not me trying to be the next prophet or the next guru.
		It's me trying to be a guy that's seen the future, that wants it to come true, that's seen the ideals and how death and all the things that they showed me was so accurate that I have to stand up and I have to defend and talk to my generation because we are the ones that will make the difference.
		Here comes 96 in election year.
		What is the number one issue?
		Marriage care, health care.
		I'm supposed to think that that crowd that I saw 20 years ago didn't know what they were talking about when I'm watching it happen on CNN today.
		Raymond and I used to sit and be awful amazed.
		It's always amazed me.
		You know, I'm not, this stuff happened 20 years ago, and I just happen to remember it and write it down, and it's indelibly placed in my mind.
		You can accept that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's the facts.
		How would you deal with this based on what you've told us about death so far?
		It's from Rick who says, you're an incredible guy.
		Could you please ask Danion how you explain the near-death experiences of those who claim to have gone to hell in back?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I would have it's easy.
		You have about 3% of the people who have near-death experiences that have hellish experiences.
		Now, I don't, I mean, if anybody was going to hell, I would have been going.
		I can promise you that now.
		And if I didn't go, the odds of most people listening to this broadcast are slim to none.
		I can cover that issue right off the top.
		The next point is that people who have hellish experiences, I'm not saying that they don't happen.
		But a lot of people who are describing near-death experiences aren't, are having shock reaction.
		They're having hallucinations.
		They're going through shock of chemicals.
		They're going through anesthesia shock.
		They're having a temporal lobe seizure.
		They're having a frontal lobe seizure.
		They have an oxygen brain deprivation.
		They're having the things that a lot of people in medicine are saying that are the complete explanation of the near-death experience.
		Okay?
		I agree, and I believe in that.
		I mean, I've looked at this process and watched it and gone back and studied myself and talked to people because when you speak about how people trust and you're talking about the value of life and death, then you better not, you better speak with an open, honest place, and you better check it and look at it through yourself.
		You better be honest with them because if the stuff that the panoramic life is using place and you're looking at how you're affecting the lives of people and that I will be each of them, and people better believe, I'm careful with what I'm telling them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But look, you've seen, I'll bet you've seen the physician on television who, I forget it was a network show, but she said, look, these people with near-death experiences, what's happening physiologically is that when your brain is deprived of oxygen and blood, blood and oxygen, same thing, it dies, and it dies from the outside in.
		In other words, the brain cells begin dysfunctioning from the electrons.
		Headed towards the core.
		And so it is no surprise that they see what appears to be a tunnel with a bright light, which is actually, according to the lady doctor on TV, the core or the center of the brain, the last side bonds breaking down, causing endorphin release.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The tunnel comes from the neurochemical nature of the brain sparking and reacting.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That's the oxygen brain deprivation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've got it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, our temporal lobe seizures, the frontal lobe seizures.
		I looked at all of those.
		I mean, I looked at them.
		I've looked at them and talked to people who are describing near-death experiences that are having anesthesia reactions and hallucinating.
		I mean, I'm watching this.
		I go through it a lot of times in my hospice work with people who are in their final hours of being alive, and I'm sitting there next to them.
		I'm watching this happen.
		There is a stark difference between the two.
		I believe that we have a biological, neurological shutdown, and a lot of these things that are described occur.
		But a near-death experience is completely different because you can hear people who say they've had these type of experiences, but the transformative nature of the near-death experience and the true event is so awesome and so transforming that these people come back not afraid of dying, not only looking at their lives, but growing spiritually, becoming hospice volunteers, changing their whole way.
		As a person who had one of these experiences that are hellish or that was an hallucination or apophymactic shock or any of these types of things, they just go on about their life and just deal with it as nothing occurred.
		That is the greatest point.
		And the panoramic life of you as though your life passes before you, which I know in drowning victims, it's a very common thing to have your life pass before you as you begin to breathe water into your life.
		And it appears to be that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you would just have to say to that doctor, sounds good, but listen, lady, yeah.
unidentified		Thank you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Control-free doctors who've become gods themselves, so to speak, because they live in life and death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the nature of the profession.
		Danion, bottom of the hour, rest.
		We'll be right back to you.
		My guest is Danion Brinkley.
		And we'll both be back, I think, in a moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly is.
		Good morning.
		I guess you know by now my guest from South Carolina, near Columbia, actually, is Daniel Brinkley.
		This should say it all.
unidentified		It's a fact from Cheryl and Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fantastic program.
		Daniel, you're amazing.
		I want to thank you for being there to educate people.
		You're doing a truly marvelous service for mankind and planet Earth.
		Saw the TV movie about your life a few weeks back and thought it was great.
		Learned an awful lot about who and what Daniel Brinkley is.
		You certainly are an anomaly.
unidentified		That's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An anomaly.
		I guess he is, isn't he?
		And he'll be right back.
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		And I've been bad, I know.
		I don't have the lines open yet.
		I've got one, I've actually got a lot of factors here, but one I've got to ask Danion about immediately.
		And that is, you apparently have had a vision, recently told Daniel, according to this factor, something about the secrets or evidence of Atlantis found hidden in the tomb of Ramses II in Egypt.
		That's a question from Lexington, Kentucky.
		Is there something to that, Daniel?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me do this one first.
		First, for the person, the lady from Mesa, I guess, Arizona, yes.
		Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
		I appreciate what you were saying.
		Second, you still have terrific sponsors.
		Third, yes.
		I have this.
		I have absolutely no questions.
		I just came back from Egypt.
		See, I got to a place in my life where no matter what it takes for me to go and see and to watch these things happen, I'm going to figure out how to do it.
		I went to Egypt, earthquake.
		And as I was going over there, I'm talking to people who are going on a trip.
		The Visions tour was the tour that I went on, and there were ARE tour with people just going to Egypt.
		I knew that from seeing the visions and looking in Saved by the Light, which has all of them in there, you know, Saved by the Light, and at Peace in the Light, have the visions and detailed and the ones that have come true and, you know, just what's happened in the last year and a half, the things that I talked about in phase that there was no way I could possibly know that's come true.
		And I knew that there would be an earthquake.
		And that this earthquake would come about in the new ruins that are now going on there.
		The new ruins and what's going on is they're excavating this things and they're looking at it right in that area.
		Right in that area.
		And I think it's in the place where the Valley of the Kings is.
		That there are a series of chambers there after they found these 50 new graves.
		They've done sound wave tests and there's at least seven more rooms below these rooms.
		And I know that one of the parts that's going to really transform our knowledge of stuff is the discovery of these records.
		And I don't know if it's Atlantis, but I know that history as we now record it will start to be radically changed in the next two years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe it did.
		Now, here's the $64,000 question, but inflation, it's much more these days.
		And that is, if, and you're not the only one saying it, so many are, such a revelation is found.
unidentified		Wouldn't it be wonderful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but the question is, would those who...
unidentified		...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Allow it to be known.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		There is the fun part.
		Here's what I like best about our generation.
		The baby boomers.
		This is 40 to 64.
		We will face anything.
		We are not, we are able to look at it because we are evolved in a certain conscious level.
		Like you said, it's accelerating.
		We who came at this particular period in time, who entered the earth at this particular time, are the best there is at what we do.
		We're the best because this is a time of transition in the mental, physical, and spiritual nature of this particular section of evolvement in the universe.
		We're powerful spiritual beings.
		We've existed.
		We chose to come here, and we were chosen to come here for certain events, for a certain experience, in what we call a lifetime.
		Period, no question.
		This time is the greatest time literally in the history of the evolution of the conscious process physically, mentally, and spiritually.
		And we are here.
		Every single person on this earth.
		And every person on here is a powerful and mighty spiritual being with destiny, hope, vision, and succeeding.
		And they have panoramic life reviews.
		And how they leave this world, I know about.
		I don't understand everything about birth.
		I don't understand everything about earth changes, but I understand how you leave this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but still, then you're not everybody.
		And you might refer to your earlier life.
		you might refer to your earlier life to try and answer the question.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Um, if somebody who's still they would be dead now I believe uh see, I believe that a lot of this stuff is still being contained.
		You know, there's so much of the stuff that is being contained.
		But the fun part is that I didn't have sense enough 20 years ago to know the difference.
		I just described what I saw, what would happen, and I've watched how after 20 years the scenarios create themselves.
		I believe that there is groups of conspiracies trying to retain and keep the information.
		I have absolutely no question that one of the greatest supporters and believers in Gordon Michael Scallion is the Federal Emergency Preparedness Act.
		After I read what the Federal Emergency Preparedness Act is, it is somebody who knows that all this stuff is going to happen.
		They know the same thing that Gordon Michael's saying, that Daniel Brinkley's saying, that 50 other people out there in the world are saying.
		I came across it when I was dead.
		You know, that's when I came across this information to help people.
		And they would say, you know, I wasn't out ranting and raving about the predictions because my concept of being able to look into the future was based on the fact that that would give me no place to run.
		That I would have to stay stick and do what I was appointed and what I was told to do to get it done.
		And I never looked at being a prophet as a very, you know, I never had a good effect on that.
		You know, I didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess these are just words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know whether you call it prophecy or things that you relate that are coming because of visions you had these days.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is what I see as the future and what Gordon heard in the fact is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is somebody who knows that all this stuff is going to happen.
		They know the same thing that Gordon Michael's saying, that Daniel Brinkley's saying, that 50 other people out there in the world came across this information.
		And it's the same this minute keeps coming true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a much higher security clearance than I've got.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, watch.
		So that's how I came about it, and I've watched it come true.
		We have the ability to change.
		We must watch Bosnia.
		Bosnia is the position where the war between religions begins, Muslim and Islam.
		We must watch this, and we must be strong in our spiritual way we look at it, and we must keep our consciousness and look at it as an issue of this country that really affects its moral, mental, physical, and spiritual fiber.
		It could be World War III is what it could be.
		It could be the beginning.
		That's where World War I started, World War War II started.
		We can affect change in those things.
		We can have conscious thoughts about these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the most likely outcome there is?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're getting ready to start a big war that will last about nine years.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And this upgrade, all you have to do is wait till Jerusalem will become the center of the earth again soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they just built with great and grand effort this bridge that allowed all our heavy armor and war machines to cross and what's on.
		I called it the bridge over the river.
		Why?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because somewhere along the line, Art, somewhere in this grand scheme, the art of free will came into play.
		That the art of free will that was never conceived that we ourselves would try to maintain a certain existence out of fear or out of control, or in two ways, that we would be afraid of leaving here.
		I think that that still baffles the spiritual side.
		I think that they can't figure out what in the hell blocks us here or those people who try to control other people.
		But also in this, only the greatest of the spiritual beings come into this system.
		These are the great fighters.
		These are the great champions.
		Everyone who's listened to this program is an old, ancient, powerful spiritual being with history and heritage and greatness and grandeur.
		And they give all that up and they separate from it.
		And they come within these bodies to work out an existence that somehow benefits all of mankind, all of spiritual kind, and keeps in the way that the systems of evolution, it keeps broadening the horizons of the ability to the consciousness to comprehend, or God, whatever that is.
		When people ask me, did I see God?
		I would know God if I'd seen God, seen where God lived, and felt that presence of that loving nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, let me stop you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I don't take calls.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm in trouble.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		Let's take a few.
		Let's let a few people ask you questions.
		East of the Rockies, someplace or another, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Where are you calling from, please?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		From Minneapolis, sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Minneapolis, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		KSTP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Daniel.
		What's your name?
		Mike.
		Hi, Mike.
		And I cannot wait to buy your book.
		Oh, thank you very, very much.
		I have read the book Embrace, by the way, by Betty Eddie.
		Betty Edie, or Edie, I'm sorry.
		It's different, right?
		I don't have a lot of religion as I attach to it.
		Mine are clear-cut.
		Ways that a person that's just an everyday guy who had this happen to him, who looks at it, who searched it out, you know, the everyday way I look at it, mine's not filled with religion.
		It's just straight out looking at what happened to me, then looking, which is saved by the light, and all the prophecies and all that cosmic stuff that, you know, I can't help it.
		I just happened to make the mistake of telling everybody.
		Okay.
		And then when I figured out how you deal with it, how to take this stuff and incorporate it into your life so every day you understand the spiritual side of yourself as we deal with what the future holds.
unidentified		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I was just curious on what you did think of the Bible.
		Are we living revelations?
		Oh, I like the Bible.
		Do you?
unidentified		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It's a bad.
		But the Bible is a wo is a has a lot of true stuff to it.
		It has a lot of stuff that doesn't really kind of fit.
		I don't know.
		I went to look at where the Bible came from.
		And it came from the Edict of Nicae in 325 AD when King Constant, when King, when Justinian or King Emperor Justinian wanted to make Christianity the religion of the Holy Roman Empire.
		And he had a meeting.
		And he had a thousand or so manuscripts.
		And every day some people would not show up to vote if you voted against what the Bishop of Rome wanted and things like that.
		So when you look at that, you put it in context.
		But there is a spiritual something that comes through that to a lot of people, to their beliefs and ideals, and as they find that religious nature in their spiritual nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, caller, thank you.
		You posed...
		You mentioned Betty Eady.
		Well, I've seen her account and heard it on CNN and elsewhere, Darren.
		And your position earlier was that when people die, they will go through the same thing.
		They will go through what you went through, not once, but twice.
		Yep, so.
		You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but I'll ask it.
		How then do you reconcile the ED account with yours?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are 14 million of those accounts, and each person sees it different.
unidentified		Ah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they have those slight, you have slight things that affect you in the early moments of you trying to comprehend the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that your predisposition?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you're a very religious person, do you perceive the same experience that you had?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But Jesse, I would have to say that, yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Because the makeup by which a lot of people are met by relatives, I've never been, to let you know what kind of person that I am, I've been over there twice and no relatives ever came to meet me yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet, sir.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of people are met by relatives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you favored by your family?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they liked me pretty well.
		But, you know, they knew what kind of kid I was.
		A lot of people are met by their relatives.
		Are they met by someone?
		Angels come to them.
		I've had people who I know weren't hallucinating, who breathed their last breath and talked to me about angels or their mom or the person that they would most need to come to them to help them know it was a safe journey.
		And I've heard them describe angels and their moms and beings of light.
		And I mean, I've been here for 17 years and 150 people and families and dealing with these issues.
		And I write about them.
		And in dealing with the issues, I have to say that there's some things about how people look at stuff.
		Because Betty, I like Betty Eady.
		I mean, I like her.
		A lot of that stuff I don't quite go along with.
		But you look at Betty knowing that she was an Indian raised in a Catholic mission where they beat it into you, then became a Mormon, you know, trying to find a religious context to put it in.
		And hers is a description of all of that.
		I mean, I can't say that it's different from me.
		But I'm going to stick with what I say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, good enough.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel and Brinkley.
		Hi.
unidentified		I'm on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the air you are.
		Yes, turn your radio off.
		Call the wildcard lines.
		Area 702-727-1295.
		The one thing we can't do is give last names on the air.
unidentified		So you named him my last name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're Paul Ware?
unidentified		I'm in La Crosse, Lafayette.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, La Crosse.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Paul.
unidentified		Right, Lynn and all that there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on.
unidentified		Well, I've been listening and that he's a practical guy, and that I don't know if his mind or his consciousness or spirit had been weighted in any scientific or material insights into the physical universe.
unidentified		He mentions things about the universe, and I was wondering if that came up at all in his insights or anything appalling nature for me.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, listen to this.
		In the early days of this, I wrote in notebooks.
		I have notebooks of things that I scribble down, but I still don't know what it means because I would sit and day after day, like this went on, you know, this went on for almost two years where I was learning to walk and kept passing out.
		There were so many things that happened that I myself still can't comprehend what it means and how it relates because I have no sister.
		But there was a time, Paul, on the other side, when I was moving toward the crystal city.
		It was as though I could conceive of all things.
		But I literally could take a drop of water and break it down from hydrogen into oxygen, you know, H2O, and then break down the molecular bonds and look at how many electrons was around each cell.
		And I could take and drop that drop of water into the ocean.
		And like this was knowledge, I could conceive of the entire ocean or in one drop at a time and everything that was in that ocean, and I could do it that fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you conceive of that kind of awareness?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		That is my explanation right here, but history has talked about antimatter and possibly was detected in England, and they thought they had a little bit of an environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have, in fact, created antimatter for a very unfortunate means for the second in Switzerland.
unidentified		It's always been a science bug, and I was wondering if, you know, when you talk about cosmology and astrophysics and they always slip in particle physics, some strange things are going on there.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering in this one simple phrase, parallel universes.
		For antimatter to exist, Paul, you must be defining a parallel universe.
		Well, but they're always what you go from quantum physics to dynamics to atomic physics to now atomic, with nuclear physics, which is what's unlocking all the keys.
		The nuclear physics and biological physics are what's unlocking the keys.
		When you look at them, it's talking about a paralleling universe, positive and negative, alternating things between yin and yang.
		Well, the fact that there is this side and then there is the spiritual side, and how we deal with both sides is the intellectual side makes it positive.
		You have a proton, electron, and a neutron, and our middle place is the neutron.
		A positive is the spiritual.
		Our negative is the Earth nature.
		Then when you look at yourself at that, you really get a grip on the dynamics of how very specific and defined that this integrated universe operates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a really good one for you, Ben.
		Do you think it possible, Daniel, that science will ever, our science now I'm talking about, just might, and wouldn't it be strange, breach scientifically that barrier that can only now be reached by, I guess, dying and going to another universe or going to wherever we're going to have.
		Could science suddenly make that breakthrough?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look at sciences in the nature of alternative therapies and compatible therapies, and then doing follow-up programs, you can watch things like meditation and guided imagery and aromatherapies, a lot of the things that are written about in the book that I saw we're going to have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could science suddenly make that breakthrough?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you look at sciences in the nature of alternative therapies and compatible therapies, and then doing follow-up programs, you can watch things like meditation and guided imagery and aromatherapies, a lot of the things that are written about in the book that I saw on the other side, the things that we didn't get to cover.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You think you'll have me back sometime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I wish I had a...
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll do another hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do another one?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You'll do another half hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you know, if you're going to do a half hour, you might as well do an hour.
		You shouldn't do just half an hour.
		You can do another hour standing on your head.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know you can.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But what I mean?
		People are going to ask questions.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Could it happen to you apparently?
		Hard Bell Sucks someday.
		Oh, it could break now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Look at remote viewing.
		Look at what's happening in remote viewing.
		Look at the work that Raymond Meade is doing in studies of psychomanthiums and the ancient Greek oracles.
		Look at the work that regression therapy as a therapeutic modality is into place and the results of that in dealing with chronic psychological problems, the fact that you had a past life that's possibly affecting this, the work that Brian Weiss is doing.
		Look at what James and Sally Redfield are doing.
		I mean, these are like good friends of mine.
		Look at Larry Dolphy putting prayer and medicine back in the earth.
		Oh, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people think that there are many people with this knowledge, Daniel, that are, through programs like Nightwine, all the rest of them that are breaking out, are preparing us to receive this information.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely, they're doing it.
		I don't have any doubt about it.
		I'm full support that, like, UFOs, and I never believed any of this kind of stuff.
		I never, you know, you couldn't get me.
		And I've been dead a couple of times, and I still didn't believe it.
		You know, the stuff about UFOologies and all the neural cereologies, because when I worked in intelligence, it was so compartmentalized, Art.
		It was so compartmentalized that it would be sometimes 10 years before I knew what I was doing when I was doing it there.
		See, I had, you know, it was needed to know.
		I had one job.
		I didn't know what everybody else was doing, and there might have been 30 people there.
		All right, look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, seven minutes or something to just dressed, and we'll be back to you.
		All right?
		What a compelling interview.
		Daniel Brinkley is my guest from South Carolina.
		And yes, we'll lay heavily on the phones in the next hour, which we just received from him.
		You're listening to CBC.
		Oh, my guest is Daniel Brinkley.
unidentified		It is a rare, rare opportunity indeed for you to speak to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's phones just about entirely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, Daniel, thank you, first of all, for staying another hour.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for having me, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it squeezed pretty hard, but.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And thank all those people for allowing me into their lives.
		And I also would recommend everybody.
		I mean, it's amazing.
		I love your responses.
		I would recommend everybody listening to pay attention to commodities.
		I mean, just for me, I'm not a financial advisor, and I'm not going to pretend to be one.
		But I would write for this kit.
		I would write for this kit if everyone is out there listening who thinks I have any sense at all.
		Look at commodities and be an expert in it.
		Because when paper doesn't have a value, when paper no longer has a value, where we live today and the new money and the new currencies being issued, in everyday life, in our everyday lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to come to that, isn't it?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		It's already come to that.
		It's just the realization of it.
		If I'm right, from looking at how the predictions are, what's happening in Japan now will just roll across Europe and into America, and we're literally in a depression, which for some people is the greatest moment they can have.
		For people who are not really paying attention to their spiritual selves and their mental enformment and what's trying to keep them control, this massive explosion of spiritual growth, which is making us like when you said us, the people who are 50 years old, 10,000 a day are turning 50 years old, this impact, this impact is the greatest impact in the history of million Americans.
		And I think from 1940, 81 or 2 million Americans, they can speak with a voice concerning death, concerning issues, the quality of life.
		And they must understand that that's their responsibility as spiritual beings, not just as citizens or patriots.
		They must.
		And when they look at it, look at, I mean, I know I'm saying by my books, but When you look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's do that for a second.
		I mean, in a hard way, I've been meaning to do that.
		Two things are coming up.
		One is you're going to Las Vegas.
		I know you are, right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to Las Vegas on the 20th for to deal with hospice and to talk about, well, just to tell my story and to talk about how and teach a technique that people can use in hospice work because if I think what I'm right about as we're into this economic depression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to be speaking publicly?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to drag this from you.
		Where are you going to be and when?
		On the 20th?
		Do you know where?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		On the 20th, I'm in Las Vegas and Inlight Times magazine in Las Vegas is putting it on and I don't know anything else about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll have to find out then.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Melanie does that.
		I don't.
		You know, I'm going there because of a group of people who are really interested in uplifting consciousness.
		Because Las Vegas is a place that has a really high spiritual group of people in it.
		But when I was there, I went there for a show, and I never looked at it from any other point except to go in and do what I was doing and leave.
		But I went talking about the near-death experience, and I realized that a lot of people who go to Las Vegas, the closest they get to spirituality is Lady Luck.
		And I looked through part of that in the early days, which is like at Peace and the Light.
		But in the early days, how I would use the perceptive capability that I gained out of it to do things like that.
		Like I would be able to call Blackjack and I would bet on horses.
		I could deal with things that were alive.
		I couldn't do row lead or numbers, but I could do living things.
		I could tell when or what was going to win or call bowling games and pins and what would be left and people would bet on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Look, I'm going to make you do it.
		Your two books, Saved by the Light and your new book, a piece with the light.
		These I take it, what are they?
		Barry Book, HarperCollins?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		HarperCollins?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Patient Pat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I've got the hardback version of your new book.
		At any rate, they are available widely.
		People can go get them in just about any bookstore, right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's good.
unidentified		That's good.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
		Well, thanks, everybody, for listening.
		Thanks for going to find that book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, West of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air with Daniel and Brinkley.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Arch.
unidentified		This is Barbara in Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Barbara.
unidentified		Hi, Daniel.
		Art, just I want to thank you for being so open-minded and having people like Daniel on your shelf.
		Daniel, I've written to you.
		I'm one of probably many people who've written to you after they've seen you on TV.
		And I went to buy Safe by the Light, and it was sold out when it first came out.
		The clerk at the store asked, what's the big deal with this book?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It sold a lot of copies.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It sold a couple million copies.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wanted to thank you.
		There's something, but I have a question that I was a baby boomer.
		I was born in 1953.
		And as I look back over my life and, you know, everything from having to get in the house for air raid dress when I was younger and, you know, moving through the 60s and the 70s, the whole thing, the rules changed and they're about to change again.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Drastically.
unidentified		Okay.
		My parents tried to tap on what they thought was a set of enduring rules to me that's never quite fit.
		About 10 years ago, I was kind of shaken away.
		I call it kind of being spiritually kicked in the behind, you know, to wake up.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Happens to a lot of us, honey.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I took 680,000 votes to get me there.
unidentified		Mine wasn't as drastic as yours.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank God.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It says you're a lot smarter than me.
unidentified		Oh, well, it moved me around a little bit, but my question has to do with my kids.
unidentified		I don't know what to tell my, I don't know how to prepare my kids.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You let them be saved by the lie.
		That's a good question.
		And you sit down and get your children involved.
		Say, hey, look, guys, there's a little moral decay going on around here.
		But it's the opening void for a great spiritual awakening.
		The more information in one and two-page paragraph that a parent takes out and lays around the house, you know, look at Philistine prophecy, look at books and information that you put around the house that's just opening up their consciousness put a couple of tabloids around.
		Get something that's short that they can read and look that touches spiritual nature.
		Because the moment that those are ancient and powerful spiritual beings, as surely as they are your children, and your job is to give them as much open access to what is spiritual experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, don't underestimate their ability to...
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They rolling in.
		They're here for the same reason you're here, sister.
		They're here because they come to prepare for a series of events that will occur after 2004 to 2014.
		I don't really know what's going to be all of that, Robert.
		See, I don't know, but I know up to 2004 what's going to be happening.
		But by the year 2009, 10, or 11, we will be in a spiritual position so unique and so unfathomable by us at this point that it's useless to think about it, dealing with it every day.
		The more information that these kids have about spirituality, not morality, because they live in a world where all that's kind of been pushed aside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you see between now and 2004?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Through Barbara?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you see between now and 2004?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You said, you do see some of the wildest stuff in the world, but I see the potential.
		For us as a group, we the baby boomers, a potential group of spiritual warriors that came here that can really change the course of history towards spirituality.
		Because we must face our own reality.
		And I, uniquely, among others, have seen how the system works and what the reward system is.
		And why I write and what I talk about is, listen, guys, we're out here and we don't deal with these things whether we want to or not.
		We might as well deal with them as they truly are in the spiritual context, which make everything else less as painful.
		All right, we're going through the evolution of our government.
		We don't have a government anymore.
		It's collapsed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But here, Billy from El Paso asks a good question, one that everybody's asking.
		I'm surprised your guest hasn't mentioned God or his creator with reference to his near-death experience.
		It seems to me that his whole approach is very secular, even with respect to the quote being end quote that he saw.
		Is that the way you would describe what occurred to you?
		Secular?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		No, because you see, I said when we were preferencing as we began, I said this is 20 years later.
		To describe the near-death experience is to describe that there is a great and powerful, loving Lord God, and that there is a life after death, and it is a system that is so wonderful and so spiritual.
		I can't use the term God so much, although I know there is a God, but I didn't see God.
		I saw the most wondrous series of events in this world of how a person leaves this world, and then has been a hospice volunteer dying with people and living right there with them as they're breathing in and out their last breaths and the conversations and the things that some I've got to know for years, some I only knew for one day.
		That how do I take what I've learned and how do I take what I know and apply it in this world every day so that we're growing spiritually before we get to the other side to prepare us?
		And that's what my whole nature is about.
		But, I mean, that's what I thought we've been talking about.
		But there's a great and wondrous God.
		There's a great and powerful spiritual nature that is also us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I respect your right to describe it in the way that you recall it.
		And there will be a lot of people out there who all know that just can't handle that.
		Well, they want it described in terms that will give them comfort.
		And I understand that, and I don't put them down at all for it, but they're just never going to agree.
		And they're going to say, come on, Daniel, say it.
		It was God.
		If you don't say it, then it's a bunch of bunk you're saying.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if that'll help them find them spiritual self, it was God.
		It was God.
		I want people to listen to our mission is that people don't die alone.
		I hear you.
		My mission is to get my generation in the street learning how to deal with this issue and to use techniques that I've learned from being on both sides.
		I know what it's like to be afraid, pal.
		I know what it's like to face death.
		I know what it's like to die.
		I know what it's like to see the other signs.
		I know what it's like to have to come back and live and to go through years of pain and stuff to get to where I am and to be able to look at it.
		But all that everybody's going to get to do.
		We're all going to go through this process.
		We're all going back over there.
		But I better talk to people about how to use it here.
		If they're right about how to use it here, better not philosophy.
		Better say this is the way.
		And then you can get out and you can test it.
		We have a faith system that we've built our beliefs off of, institutions, religions, and governments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That is crumbling.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		We must have a belief system to put our faiths in, and I'm trying from just what one fool from South Carolina had happened to put it in a context with people just who like I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, about that, you're dead right.
		Daniel, remember, because you and I, I'm a little older than you are, you remember early on when you were young, you remember the FBI, for example, would come out and there would be a television news boat and they'd come to the podium and they would make a statement.
		And it was like the FBI would say something and it was like it was written, you know, on a tablet and brought down.
		I mean, you could believe it, flat out believe it.
		The institution of the FBI, unquestioned.
		The president is unquestionable.
		Well, that may be, but the institution or a concept of the institutions is crumbling all around us.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, the way it should be.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		In order for the new to live, the old must surely pass away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, I promise phone calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies are on the air with Dunyan Brinkley.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My name is Jack, and I'm also a baby boomer.
		You're a baby boomer.
		Where are you?
		In Boulder, Colorado.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hi, brother.
		Hi.
		Yes, good evening, both you gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I, on the other hand, really feel that I can understand what you're saying because it resonates from a kind of non-theistic point of view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it also resonates with the Tibetan take on death, and they've sort of developed the science of dying, even since the 8th century, with the Tibetan Book of the Dead and so on.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And you really do agree from what you've been saying on two very important points.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One is that what you experience at the time of death is, whether it be peaceful or wrathful, is yourself.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So I'm aware that people feel this enormous amount of love, and that's how they describe it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		What they don't really, really realize is they're feeling themselves for the first time, you know, in about 70 or 80 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know, that you're in agreement with this book from the 8th century is that the mind does not die.
		And I have one simple question to ask you, basically.
		What will help us or means work when we die?
unidentified		What helps a person when they die?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hospice work.
		Listen to me, Jack.
		To go today and become a hospice volunteer and to read chapter 9, just go to the bookstore and just read chapter 9 in that piece in the life and try the technique.
		You will all of a sudden have begun to create the greatest position for you to open up your consciousness.
		When you're dealing with an issue of a person leaving this world, and they talk about their life and you listen, you both have panoramic life with you.
		You're assisting them in having one before they go to the other side.
		They, in that same moment, are assisting you in reviewing your life compared to theirs.
		That is one of the greatest, most often learning experiences for somebody in our generation to come because we not only have to deal with our moms and dads.
		because dealing with our brothers and sisters, and then maybe even ourselves.
		But can another person do the kind of work you're doing without having experienced what it's like getting all the benefits from what I went through and not have to pay the medical bill.
		You know, I don't recommend, I have what I call the Daniel Long Course and the Daniel Short Court, right?
		The Daniel Long Course is listen to three hours of you and I talk.
		The Daniel Short Course is stick a screwdriver and a 440 outlet.
		Any way you want to learn it, it suits me, and we'll all just stand around.
		I'll wait for you to get up.
		I don't have a problem about it.
		I want people to say, okay, let's see what happened to this fool, and let's listen to what he's done with it, and let's look at that, and then let's try.
		If he's really done this stuff, and he's been doing this for 20 years, and you know, he's been really doing this, then why not?
		Let's try it.
		He said he says, it takes him 20 years to figure out what good it is to know that there's a life after death, not be caught up in that it is, because anybody who's listening or who's not listening to thinks there's not a life after death, that's a fool.
unidentified		All right, a personal hard question for you, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then this is, have you ever examined your own reason for doing the work with the dying, all this hospice work?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Are you certain that some of you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are not trying to confirm what you believe to be true through your two experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that half of your work is for you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that all of it's for me.
		That's not the reason, but it's just as selfish as you can possibly be.
		I honestly admit, and I write in the books that I missed the other side so much.
		At the closest, when I first started doing hospice work, after the first one or two people, which were friends of my father, I started hospice work with my father asking me to go see somebody that was a friend of his that was in his 80s and that I had watched through the years the friendship between my father and this person.
		And because I have helped a bunch of people, you know, deal with this, he said, would you go and talk to this friend of his?
		And I went, and that's how I started hospice.
		But I got, as I got into it, I realized that I missed that place so much, that that's why I did it.
		I like to be around that place because I can experience a lot of what I experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It must be a great comfort for a lot of people.
		Bottom of the hour clock, I have to get into it.
		Daniel Briefly is my guest.
		He'll be right back.
		I'm Marcel.
		And by the way, you can begin calling that number now if you wish.
		Daniel, this question, have you ever heard of any MDE near-death experiences where one does not remember seeing anything, but actually has gone through some sort of transformation from a near-death experience?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Melvin Morris writes, and Ken Ring write a lot about that.
		In Melvin Morris' book, Closer to the Light, he talks about kids changing and never remembering until they're like six and seven years old what happened.
		And some people changing and going back into hypnosis being realized they had a near-death experience.
		But a lot of people block it out because dealing with being on the other side makes it really hard to do the stuff that you came back for.
		But a lot of people say they've been given a choice on it.
		You know, it's really systematic and wondrous about how the near-death experience feels such a comfort in understanding that we don't die, so we can get on about living.
		But a lot of people, a lot of people think, when they're dealing with it, they are given a choice whether to come or to stay.
		No one ever gave me a choice because if somebody had given me a choice, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can go.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can forget this.
		Or at least I wouldn't even think about it.
		But that's the first time.
		The second time when I was given a choice, but it's not really much a choice.
		I wanted to come back.
		I would not miss these times.
		And with what I go through, I wouldn't miss these times and the chance to spiritually evolve from what I've seen through all the events that are coming.
		I wouldn't miss them to go back over there and say, this is the greatest time for growth and unfoldment and understanding and the greatest opportunity that we as physical, mental, spiritual beings will ever get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, these are going to be interesting years, aren't they?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		These are the most magnificent.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The next 10 to 12 years aren't, are they going to be the most wondrous, ever-evolving, erupting, changing, chaotic, horrendous, marvelous, terrific time that's been, I mean, I don't think that's ever come since the, since the, uh, the early years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, that's honest, Daniel.
		Discipline, discipline, discipline.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Danian Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Lark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm calling from Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WJR country from Detroit, I bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, okay.
unidentified		Hello, Danian.
unidentified		I really enjoyed watching your movie on TV.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very, very much.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I thought Eric did a good job, uh-huh.
unidentified		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, it's hard watching yourself in two-hour TV movies and things like that, but I think it came across a lot of what I felt, of what really happened to me, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fairly representative?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was pretty, did a pretty good job.
		I was a lot worse than they made me out to be.
		I was a lot bigger jerk than either.
		But I was.
		I mean, you know, they...
unidentified		And I also wanted to ask you if you were familiar with mental procedures called avatar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Avatar, does that ring a bell?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And the other question was...
		I believe that we, as I watch regression therapy, and I'm watching it, and with Winifred Lucas and Brian Weiss and some of the people who are monsters in the field.
		And it's because I get to chew them, because I'm like a big shot now, I get to walk up to them and ask them questions, You know, and before, I'm just this little guy, still this little guy, but I walk up to him and I can talk to him now.
		And I listen to these people speak very sanely and how regression therapy as a therapeutic modality is seriously helping people get over a lot of things, a lot of problems that they're having emotionally and psychologically.
		So I can't deny it.
		I don't believe that everything is polluted in our past.
		I'm not a karma believer.
		I'm not a person that believes in karma and that you've got to always keep coming back here till you get it right because from what I saw, those of us who were here would never come for that reason.
		It would have to be less than 10 or 15% for you to come back and keep doing it till you get it right.
		But your first and main mission is the evolution of the spiritual nature of all of creation.
		And somehow, through some dynamic, this earth life does that for this particular system of spiritual growth.
		And that we're in this one little planet, in a group of planets.
		I don't think we're by ourselves anymore, but we're in this particular group operating in our identity.
		And that in itself is one of the most powerful things that exist.
		That's the most powerful in that we are here.
		And so all of us that are here are that way.
		So when you say that you come back over and over or reincarnation, so there's stuff from some past life experiences because you were here first to fight and to protect and keep a certain light lit and perform a certain function.
		You're here second for yourself and third for some kind of something you might have felt bad about or something you had to keep doing.
		Because by the time you got here, you were ancient and powerful and wondrous.
		This is not the place for the little league.
		This is the big league.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the Ella Dunion Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you and who are you, please?
unidentified		My name is Peggy and I'm from Austin, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Peggy.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Peggy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speak up good and loud.
unidentified		Okay, I've been, you know, on the fan of group.
unidentified		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I've got a quick comment and then a question.
		I'm a nurse, and I take care of a lot of hospice-type patients.
		And I would encourage the public, the listening audience, to get involved.
		There's nothing more rewarding than that.
		Yay!
		Yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
		See, if we can get people to pay attention to, and you look at it from how I see it, that one day you're going to be those people.
		Can you imagine a guy in 1975 getting to be the people whose lives he brutalized and literally destroyed and some he'd killed.
		Then 14 years later, getting to be the person that when I walk in that room, they have nobody, right?
		The children dropped them off at the emergency room.
		They've been in this nursing home for 10 years and no one's ever come to see them until I've come to see them.
		And I get them because they have three weeks left to live.
		And to know that I'm going to be that person one day doesn't make me real heroic to do the work that we do, Barbara.
		So it doesn't make it bad.
		It just makes people understand that we have to get back touching our spiritual selves.
unidentified		Here's my question.
		When you have your...
		I do agree with that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go ahead.
unidentified		I mean, there's nothing, you know, there's death is not the worst thing in the world.
		Oh.
		It is not.
		Some of the poor existence some of these people have to suffer through.
		Now, when you had your near-death experience, when you talked about seeing the people that you had encountered, what about the people that you've had joy with?
		You know, the happy times?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I had that too, but I had both of those.
		I just didn't have a lot of those the first time.
		I didn't have a lot of being nice to people in the first near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, you saw what was there and what had been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, joyful.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, you see everything.
		It's not really, I'm not trying to get anybody to believe that it's a hellish experience.
		Mine was, because of just the type of personality I was.
		You know, you're going to get to be the people you've helped.
		Imagine this.
		You're going to get a chance to feel the love, care, and concern you've given every person that you've helped in this situation as a nurse.
		You're going to literally be them.
		Now, think of the joyous moments of you when you held somebody's hand or you pat them on the shoulder or you just checked on them one day, which is to them the most glorious moments in their whole existence, or that you listen to them talk for five minutes.
		You're going to get to be that and feel the joy and wonderment.
		People have to understand that when you have your life passed before you, and you see it, you don't just see it from a bunch of those events.
		You see it from this.
		We say, and this is the best way to put it, if God couldn't come today, and God sent you, and you are the difference that God makes in the events you're now witnessing, what difference did God make through you as you are judging you?
		And that's how people are going to look at it.
		We are really insignificant.
		It's as if we were the difference that God made in every event of everything that we watch in this panoramic life review.
		And you'll be amazed at how literally insignificant you are in the panoramic life review as of what you symbolically represent here in this physical plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's a real literal question for you, Daniel.
		Please ask Daniel to go through, year by year, through the future events that he has seen, those that have not yet occurred.
		Would you care to give that even a try?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't even want to.
		I'm not going to do that except that I can tell people what to watch out because I'm not going to do, I've done that.
		It's written down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, give them the best watch out then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shortly.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you the best version.
		The best version is get involved in hospice work and start dealing with death as an issue.
		Number one, point blank, don't keep waiting for things to happen all around you.
		Deal with the one issue that gives you the peace, control, and confidence within yourself, death.
		Regardless of what it is, deal with that.
		Once you deal with that, as you look at each of the scenarios, Bosnia, because this will either erupt into a war or it will become a peaceful plane.
		It will either, you watch Kabul, whoever wins the war in Afghanistan, will start.
		And what will happen if we're not careful is that Serbs, which are Christians, killing Bosnians, which are Muslims, they will react and the Middle East will react and begin to polarize.
		What is going To happen is in Jerusalem within the next 14 or 15 months, it will become the center of the earth again.
		It will do this because Jerusalem will become almost like a papacy.
		It will take on like a holy sea, the city within a city, and be administrated by religions dealing with either the Palestinian or Islamic faith, the Jewish faith, and the Christian faith dealing either with the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Catholic Church.
		I believe it will be a combination of both.
		When that occurs, all that other stuff is the earthquakes begin now, the West Coast, earthquakes all the way up and down our coast and the coast of Central and South America, then an influx of more immigrants will start pouring in.
		And what we don't really watch out, then as the new money is being issued, we keep putting tight in control.
		The key is health care and being able to pay attention to health care and being able to keep your mind realizing that they, as the new Medicaid and Medicare plans come into existence, this year, not five years from now or year by year, because if you deal with these issues and we stand up and face and read and look at these issues like Senate Bill 1035,
		which deals with Access to Medical Treatment Act, that if you don't support these kinds of bills and look at these kinds of bills, it don't make any difference what's going to happen.
		You would have lost your right to control your own debt.
		All right.
		South Pole.
		How was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, this is Manny from Houston, Texas.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Daddy.
unidentified		Hi, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Daniel, I've read your book two and a half times, and I think it's very electrifying.
		Thank you very much.
		I just want to call those words.
		I'm sorry.
		I just wanted to like to point out that Dr. Moody might have had it slightly wrong.
		He's called them N-E-D.
		Perhaps y'all should label them E-N-D, N. Experience, near-death, N. Get it.
		Well, I call them near-life experiences because I was more alive when I was on the other side than I ever was here.
		And what I talk to in my lectures, listen, I tell people, I said, look, this is dead.
		I say, listen, I don't want to get anybody really depressed or anything, but let me tell you something.
		This is as dead as you're ever going to get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are the dead.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You're right now as dead as you're ever going to get.
		You'll never get any more dead than Ziv.
		And once you realize that...
		Well, it's the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I like it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And once you realize that, you've got to realize that forever is not near as long as you think it is.
		It's a whole lot longer.
		And you're going to find out because you're going to find a lot of stuff to do.
		Keep yourself busy if you're going to be around forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're actually, we're actually room temperature right now.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		58.6.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Metaphorically, room temperature.
		Oh, Easter Rockies.
		You're on here with Daniel Grinkley.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, how you doing?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is Pete from Hudat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who Dak?
unidentified		I don't know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		What?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Michael Lean and Inlight Times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a phone number or something?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Whole cool.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And thanks for letting me into the hearts and minds of your audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wrote down all 800 numbers.
		You made it.
		Thanks, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Bye, guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good night.
		Daniel Brinkley, CBC.
		We'll be right back.
		Okay, a great pleasure to interview.

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